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In the criminal
justice system,
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sexually based offenses are
considered especially heinous.
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In New York City,
the dedicated detectives
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who investigate
these vicious felonies
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are members of an elite squad
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known as
the Special Victims Unit.
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These are their stories.
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I really wish
you would consider
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getting out of that unit.
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Come on, Mother.
Let's not tonight.
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Do you think
this is healthy for you?
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You were raped,
for God's sake.
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If your mom were still alive,
how old would she be?
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Uh, my mother, Serena,
would have been 77.
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- Wow.
- Yeah.
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And you were already
a detective when she died?
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I was.
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Did she like
that you were a detective?
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Well, it sounds like
you're being the detective now.
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- Do you miss her?
- Yeah.
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'Cause she was
a good mom like you.
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Noah, you should know by now
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that no one's
as good a mom as I am.
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Mom, not at school.
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- Love you.
- I love you.
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Have a good day.
Put your mask on.
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Sorry I was late.
I...
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So I'm walking Noah
to school...
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- Mm-hmm.
- And...
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out of the blue,
he asked me about my mother.
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You went with short answer?
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- Yeah.
- Good.
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So what is this
about a suspect?
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He walked himself in.
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He hasn't confessed yet,
but he says
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he will only speak
to the captain.
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And heads up,
this guy's a charmer.
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- I'm guilty.
- Oh, my God, Nick.
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- Whose idea was this?
- Mine.
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What, you're captain now,
you don't like surprises?
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I've never liked surprises.
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- Hey.
- Hey.
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What brings you to New York?
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Work, a job I've been on
the last few years.
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- A company called FORYM.
- Yeah.
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I thought you were a PI.
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No, I told you he went back
to grad school.
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In genetics
and forensic science.
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We test DNA samples
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that used to be considered
too small or too degraded.
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Solving cold cases.
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That... seems like
a good fit for you.
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Which means
we can work together again.
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Nick has an old SVU case
that he wants to reopen.
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1996,
Haley West is 15 years old.
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Raped and strangled
on prom night.
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Hold on,
this was one of Cragen's.
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I remember... I remember him
talking about it.
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But is it cold?
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Didn't they catch
the... the boyfriend?
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Ian Ridley, yes.
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He actually did confess,
and he's still doing time,
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but he recanted at sentencing,
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and the only DNA
found on Haley's body
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was from his saliva.
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I was approached
by a true crime writer
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looking into
wrongful convictions.
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He asked me if we could try
to salvage old DNA,
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so I'm coming to you.
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Well, let's pull the files,
see if anything's there.
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654.
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West.
Haley West, right here.
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Wow, she's so young.
And a sweet face.
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Haley's mother
never got over losing her.
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Ian's not the killer.
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Hm, Burton Lowe,
the writer, he's here.
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Nick, I thought you said
this place was a dump.
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Ah, well, they've
fixed it up since I left.
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Burton Lowe,
Detective Amanda Rollins.
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- How do you do?
- Hi.
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Captain's waiting for us.
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Captain,
Nick's writer is here.
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- Burton.
- Olivia.
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- You haven't changed.
- Neither have you.
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And now that we've established
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that we're both liars...
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Nick, you didn't tell me
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that your crime writer
was... was Burton Lowe.
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Should I have?
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Um, we are old friends.
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From a lifetime ago.
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*LAW AND ORDER
SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT*
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*LAW AND ORDER SVU*
Season 23 Episode 06
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Episode Title: "The Five Hundredth Episode"
Aired on: October 21, 2021.
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My mother
was an English professor.
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When I was 16, I started
dating one of her students.
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He was a senior.
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He was 21 years old,
and he asked me to marry him.
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Look at this.
Serena would be proud.
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Well, if you recall,
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that wasn't
Serena's strong suit.
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No, it wasn't, was it?
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- Anyway, Haley West.
- Yeah.
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Yes, of course.
Please have a seat.
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So I called
my former captain, Cragen,
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and he said
that the boyfriend...
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- Ian Ridley.
- Confessed within 48 hours.
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He did, but he was 18,
concussed, traumatized...
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Concussed?
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His initial story was that he
and Haley were making out
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when an unknown assailant
knocked him out.
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When he came to,
Haley was gone.
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And they found
her strangled, beaten body
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two hours later
in Fort Tyron Park.
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My take, he was probably
so guilt-ridden
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about what happened.
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He convinced himself
that he did it?
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Mm-hmm.
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How'd you
get involved, Burton?
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Ian's mother wrote to me
before she died.
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I promised her
I'd do right by him.
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At his parole hearing,
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the board was ready to release
Ian if he showed contrition.
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When it was time for Ian
to apologize, he couldn't.
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25 years behind bars,
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two words away
from walking free,
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and instead he says,
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"I believe in two things,
the truth and miracles.
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I know the truth,
and I need a miracle."
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New DNA technology
can be that miracle.
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If there's even 15 cells
from the original sample,
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my company can tease out
a genetic profile.
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- After 25 years?
- Oh, yeah.
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I'll need to call Carisi.
That's our ADA.
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Understood.
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Here you go.
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I had to send my gnomes
deep into the crypt
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- to get this out.
- I owe you, Melinda.
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Once an SVU detective,
always an SVU detective.
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You're lucky
this wasn't tossed.
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You do know
this is a closed case.
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Yeah, we know
that the saliva
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on Haley West
matched Ian Ridley.
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We're just... we're hoping there
might be some other samples.
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Barely... there was a trace
of seminal fluid
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- in the autopsy rape kit.
- And it was never tested?
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The quantity
was too low in '96,
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and, as is stated here,
the suspect confessed.
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M.E. Rogers had no reason
to perform more testing.
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- But it's still viable?
- Maybe.
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The kit sat
in freezer purgatory
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this whole time.
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As DNA degrades,
it's much harder to analyze.
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But with our new tech,
mixture deconvolution,
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KinSNP analysis...
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You get a chance
to rebuild the genetic profile.
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Well, look at you, Dr. Amaro.
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Doctor, no, not yet,
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but I am working on it,
biophysics.
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Yeah, it's good to see you.
And thank you for this.
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Cognitive reenactment?
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How'd you get a judge
to sign off on this?
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Oh, I didn't.
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I pulled a favor
from an ADA
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who used to be
one of my detectives.
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An ADA, a geneticist...
Your ex-detectives go places.
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Well, I wish they wouldn't,
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because, as my mother
used to say, everyone leaves.
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Serena was a little dark.
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You know, Burton,
if you needed help on a case,
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you could've just told Nick
you knew me or gotten in touch.
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I guess I was afraid
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that you'd just say no
considering how we ended.
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You know, my mother made me
write that letter to you
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to break off our engagement.
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She told me that you had
a real girlfriend in college.
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I did not.
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I was in love with you.
I told her that.
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But you disappeared.
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Oh, I wanted
to write you, to see you.
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She told me if I even tried
to get in touch,
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she'd have me
immediately expelled.
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Well, then she lied
to both of us.
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To be continued.
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Hello, Ian.
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This is Captain Benson
of the SVU.
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Hey.
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Mr. Lowe got you
to reopen my case?
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If the detectives on the case
missed anything back then,
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then I wanna find that out.
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Okay, well, thank you.
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I know it's been,
like, 25 years,
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but I'm kind of...
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Kind of freaked
to be back here.
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That's... that's
completely normal, Ian.
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Returning...
Returning to the scene
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can trigger memories, right?
And that's why we're here.
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So anything that comes
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to your mind, a sound,
a smell, that can be helpful.
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All right, guys, guys,
he's not going anywhere.
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Yeah, just give him a minute.
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Prom night.
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Haley and I booked it out here
past the chaperones.
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I snuck a bottle of champagne.
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We just wanted to be...
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We just wanted
to be together alone, you know.
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Okay, so what kind
of night was it?
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Warm, pitch dark.
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These lights...
They weren't here back then.
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So I lit a cigarette.
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Haley looked so pretty
in the dark.
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Then we started kissing.
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Okay.
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Kissing and then?
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Well, then we went
under the bleachers
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to, you know, go further.
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- But you didn't get that far?
- No.
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Haley...
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Haley was leaning
against that post.
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I was kissing her.
I had my eyes closed and then...
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Okay, Ian, your eyes
were closed.
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Did you hear anything?
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Yeah,
footsteps on the gravel,
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then somebody bashing me
on the skull.
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I remember Haley screaming,
him dragging her,
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and then
it all just went black.
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- So you're there now.
- You're there now.
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My ears were ringing.
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There was blood everywhere.
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I saw her corsage
in the grass over there.
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Do you remember
calling the cops?
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My parents did that.
I ran home.
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They took me to St. Luke's.
I got 12 stitches.
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And the cops
still thought you did it?
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I was so messed up,
I thought maybe I did do it,
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but I didn't.
I swear I didn't.
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I loved Haley.
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My whole life ended
the night that she died.
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Haley.
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It's okay.
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He was 21 years old,
and he asked me to marry him,
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and I said yes
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because I wanted
to get away from my mother.
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It's kind of interesting,
isn't it?
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Him showing up
in your life now?
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Stabler, Burton.
Something's going on.
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Nothing's going on.
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I mean, Burton is
obsessed with his work.
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You realize
that his last podcast series...
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- He got a man off death row.
- Yeah, I Googled him too.
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You also saw that he just
split up with his girlfriend?
252
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Yeah, the French journalist.
I did see that.
253
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And right after,
out of all the cold cases,
254
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he chooses one from SVU?
255
00:13:25,463 --> 00:13:28,031
Because Ian Ridley
is innocent.
256
00:13:32,209 --> 00:13:34,867
The rape kit sample
was corrupted,
257
00:13:34,951 --> 00:13:36,390
but we did find a tiny amount
258
00:13:36,474 --> 00:13:37,826
of seminal fluid
on her underwear,
259
00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:39,436
enough to tease out
a genetic profile.
260
00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:40,699
And it's not Ian's.
261
00:13:40,783 --> 00:13:42,788
No, no,
we excluded him right away.
262
00:13:42,872 --> 00:13:45,616
No hits in CODIS.
We're looking at RMNE.
263
00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:46,661
So random man...
264
00:13:46,745 --> 00:13:47,880
Not excluded.
265
00:13:47,964 --> 00:13:49,751
- I know.
- Of course you do.
266
00:13:49,835 --> 00:13:51,448
Then you also know
that the DA's office
267
00:13:51,532 --> 00:13:53,146
is unlikely to exonerate Ian...
268
00:13:53,230 --> 00:13:54,974
Without a viable suspect,
mm-hmm.
269
00:13:55,058 --> 00:13:56,497
That's the downside of CODIS,
270
00:13:56,581 --> 00:13:57,933
just doesn't have
all the answers.
271
00:13:58,017 --> 00:13:59,979
But now that we have
a genetic profile,
272
00:14:00,063 --> 00:14:01,763
FORYM can start a search
of multiple
273
00:14:01,847 --> 00:14:04,200
geological databases
and ancestry sites.
274
00:14:04,284 --> 00:14:06,420
With any luck,
we find distant relatives,
275
00:14:06,504 --> 00:14:08,074
digital shoe leather.
276
00:14:08,158 --> 00:14:09,989
So we start wide.
We bore in.
277
00:14:10,073 --> 00:14:11,686
I mean, it's all
new bells and whistles,
278
00:14:11,770 --> 00:14:15,078
but it's basically old school.
Work the tree.
279
00:14:16,688 --> 00:14:20,608
- So I'm getting out of here?
- One step at a time, Ian.
280
00:14:20,692 --> 00:14:22,653
The lab did find male DNA
281
00:14:22,737 --> 00:14:24,655
on Haley's body
that wasn't yours.
282
00:14:24,739 --> 00:14:25,787
Whose was it?
283
00:14:25,871 --> 00:14:27,223
Well, we don't know that yet,
284
00:14:27,307 --> 00:14:30,400
but someone
who uploaded their DNA
285
00:14:30,484 --> 00:14:32,185
to a genealogical website
286
00:14:32,269 --> 00:14:35,710
is a close relative,
either a brother or a cousin,
287
00:14:35,794 --> 00:14:38,452
and we've identified
three possible suspects.
288
00:14:38,536 --> 00:14:40,671
One of the men lived
in California at the time,
289
00:14:40,755 --> 00:14:43,326
one in Ohio,
but one of the men was local.
290
00:14:43,410 --> 00:14:47,643
In fact,
he worked at your high school.
291
00:14:48,154 --> 00:14:49,289
Mr. Murray?
292
00:14:50,940 --> 00:14:53,075
I mean,
he was the girls' tennis coach,
293
00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:57,645
but there's no way he did this.
He loved Haley.
294
00:15:00,906 --> 00:15:02,781
Well, like I told Liv,
295
00:15:02,865 --> 00:15:05,261
Roger Murray
was never a suspect.
296
00:15:05,345 --> 00:15:08,351
I mean, how solid
is this new tech?
297
00:15:08,435 --> 00:15:11,746
It works, but we don't have
Murray's DNA yet.
298
00:15:11,830 --> 00:15:13,313
We do have a familial match.
299
00:15:13,397 --> 00:15:16,403
Captain, you interviewed him
three times... why?
300
00:15:16,487 --> 00:15:19,710
Well, he was one of the last
people to see her alive.
301
00:15:19,794 --> 00:15:22,757
He was a chaperone at the prom,
and he also said
302
00:15:22,841 --> 00:15:25,891
that he saw Haley
and Ian get in a fight.
303
00:15:25,975 --> 00:15:27,893
Hm.
Yeah, what else did he say?
304
00:15:27,977 --> 00:15:30,809
Well, he said that Ian
was really weird,
305
00:15:30,893 --> 00:15:33,289
couldn't get a date
in his own grade,
306
00:15:33,373 --> 00:15:36,379
and that Haley
had confided in him
307
00:15:36,463 --> 00:15:39,684
that she thought
he was kind of creepy.
308
00:15:40,554 --> 00:15:41,950
And you believed Murray?
309
00:15:42,034 --> 00:15:43,909
Well, I had no reason
not to, Amanda.
310
00:15:43,993 --> 00:15:45,562
Ian confessed.
311
00:15:45,646 --> 00:15:47,260
And Haley's mother has said
312
00:15:47,344 --> 00:15:51,189
that Roger was like
a second father to that girl.
313
00:15:56,353 --> 00:15:58,967
I've never changed one thing
about this room.
314
00:15:59,051 --> 00:16:01,448
Helps me remember Haley
as she was,
315
00:16:01,532 --> 00:16:04,059
not as a murder victim.
316
00:16:04,143 --> 00:16:06,105
We're sorry if this brings up
317
00:16:06,189 --> 00:16:07,976
any painful memories,
Mrs. West.
318
00:16:08,060 --> 00:16:10,049
- They've never gone away.
- Mm-hmm.
319
00:16:11,324 --> 00:16:14,374
She was an artist,
an athlete.
320
00:16:14,458 --> 00:16:18,204
She loved tennis.
Roger Murray saw her potential.
321
00:16:18,288 --> 00:16:20,075
What can you tell us
about him?
322
00:16:20,159 --> 00:16:21,468
Well,
after my husband's death,
323
00:16:21,552 --> 00:16:23,644
he saved me.
324
00:16:23,728 --> 00:16:26,125
He tutored Haley on her SATs,
325
00:16:26,209 --> 00:16:27,953
helped her
with college planning.
326
00:16:28,037 --> 00:16:29,824
So they spent
a lot of time together?
327
00:16:32,994 --> 00:16:35,438
Is this about
that writer and his podcast?
328
00:16:36,236 --> 00:16:38,964
I told him I'd never let
my daughter's death
329
00:16:39,048 --> 00:16:41,662
be entertainment someone
listens to while they work out.
330
00:16:41,746 --> 00:16:43,838
We're only here as NYPD.
331
00:16:43,922 --> 00:16:45,753
We're just trying
to give you some closure.
332
00:16:45,837 --> 00:16:47,233
Closure?
333
00:16:47,317 --> 00:16:49,452
My husband
and daughter are dead.
334
00:16:49,536 --> 00:16:52,020
I'll never see Haley
walk down the aisle.
335
00:16:52,104 --> 00:16:55,154
I'll never bake cookies
for my grandchildren.
336
00:16:55,238 --> 00:16:57,330
And we can't change
what happened to Haley.
337
00:16:57,414 --> 00:17:00,942
Hey, leave me alone.
Ian confessed.
338
00:17:01,026 --> 00:17:03,684
And Roger sends me a card
every year
339
00:17:03,768 --> 00:17:05,686
on the anniversary of her death
340
00:17:05,770 --> 00:17:07,432
just to let me know...
341
00:17:09,197 --> 00:17:11,710
I'm not mourning alone.
342
00:17:16,041 --> 00:17:18,502
- Excuse me, Mr. Murray.
- Can I help you?
343
00:17:18,587 --> 00:17:20,395
Yeah,
I'm ADA Dominic Carisi.
344
00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,530
I was wondering if we could
talk to you about Haley West.
345
00:17:23,614 --> 00:17:26,359
Yeah, her mother told me that
you guys were nosing around.
346
00:17:26,443 --> 00:17:28,709
Look, I told everything
I knew to the police.
347
00:17:28,793 --> 00:17:30,015
It was Ian Ridley.
348
00:17:30,099 --> 00:17:32,626
Yeah, we know.
I'm Nick Amaro.
349
00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:34,193
Yeah, my old captain, Cragen,
350
00:17:34,277 --> 00:17:36,021
told me he appreciated
all your help back then.
351
00:17:36,105 --> 00:17:37,413
That's why we're here.
352
00:17:37,497 --> 00:17:39,763
I don't understand,
Ian's in prison.
353
00:17:39,847 --> 00:17:41,026
Oh, he is,
354
00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:43,028
but, you know,
he's trying for an appeal.
355
00:17:43,112 --> 00:17:45,030
Yeah, he's trying to get
the DNA re-examined.
356
00:17:45,114 --> 00:17:47,336
- Unbelievable.
- Yeah, tell us about it.
357
00:17:47,420 --> 00:17:49,251
Look, as a precaution,
we're gathering samples
358
00:17:49,335 --> 00:17:51,950
from anyone Hailey
interacted with that night,
359
00:17:52,034 --> 00:17:53,995
and Haley's mom
told us you chaperoned.
360
00:17:54,079 --> 00:17:57,564
- Yeah, I chaperoned, but...
- What's going on?
361
00:17:57,648 --> 00:17:59,000
How you doing, ma'am?
362
00:17:59,084 --> 00:18:00,567
I'm Dominic Carisi.
I'm with the DA's office.
363
00:18:00,651 --> 00:18:02,438
Ian Ridley
is trying to reopen the case.
364
00:18:02,522 --> 00:18:04,049
I mean,
it's a bunch of nonsense...
365
00:18:04,133 --> 00:18:06,181
Which is why
we need your husband's help.
366
00:18:06,265 --> 00:18:08,441
We know how much Haley
meant to him.
367
00:18:09,301 --> 00:18:11,814
Roger, do whatever they ask.
368
00:18:20,211 --> 00:18:22,141
Haley was beautiful
that night.
369
00:18:22,226 --> 00:18:24,677
Her mother said that she was
like a daughter to you.
370
00:18:24,762 --> 00:18:27,876
I loved that girl,
and I would never hurt her.
371
00:18:27,961 --> 00:18:29,966
- She knew that.
- I'm sure she did, Mr. Murray.
372
00:18:30,159 --> 00:18:32,033
You looked out for her.
You protected her.
373
00:18:32,117 --> 00:18:33,295
That was all
I ever tried to do.
374
00:18:33,379 --> 00:18:35,782
At the night of the prom?
375
00:18:36,426 --> 00:18:37,798
I let her down.
376
00:18:37,896 --> 00:18:40,084
I mean, I saw Ian
dragging her out.
377
00:18:40,169 --> 00:18:41,430
I should've stopped him.
378
00:18:41,515 --> 00:18:42,864
You should have, or you did?
379
00:18:44,173 --> 00:18:45,742
Well, that was
a long time ago.
380
00:18:45,826 --> 00:18:48,310
Uh, whatever I said back then,
that was the truth.
381
00:18:48,394 --> 00:18:51,767
The thing is, Mr. Murray,
with this new DNA technology,
382
00:18:51,852 --> 00:18:54,274
it picks up the tiniest amount.
383
00:18:54,487 --> 00:18:57,015
Like, even if you were
to have touched her corsage...
384
00:18:59,188 --> 00:19:00,714
Yeah,
and I might've done that.
385
00:19:00,798 --> 00:19:02,281
Okay, that's helpful.
386
00:19:02,365 --> 00:19:04,109
Yeah, and now
that I think about it, I did.
387
00:19:04,193 --> 00:19:06,198
I touched her arm because I
pulled her away from him.
388
00:19:06,282 --> 00:19:07,938
Well, was that at the dance
or on the field?
389
00:19:08,022 --> 00:19:10,115
Just in case we find
your DNA on her corsage.
390
00:19:10,199 --> 00:19:12,639
They found that at the field.
391
00:19:12,723 --> 00:19:14,641
What, and they kept that?
392
00:19:17,075 --> 00:19:19,037
No, I really don't remember,
393
00:19:19,121 --> 00:19:22,910
but it... it might've been
after the... afterwards, sure.
394
00:19:22,994 --> 00:19:24,346
So you did follow them.
It makes sense.
395
00:19:24,430 --> 00:19:27,436
- You were worried about her.
- Haley gave me a look.
396
00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,308
She was afraid of Ian,
397
00:19:29,392 --> 00:19:31,527
and she wanted me
to protect her.
398
00:19:31,611 --> 00:19:33,007
Which you always did.
399
00:19:33,091 --> 00:19:34,269
Yeah,
and I was the only one.
400
00:19:34,353 --> 00:19:37,011
I'm... no dad,
her mom overwhelmed,
401
00:19:37,095 --> 00:19:39,361
and that Ian, he was a bad kid.
402
00:19:39,445 --> 00:19:40,884
So you had
to follow her and Ian?
403
00:19:40,968 --> 00:19:42,277
Yeah, and he
was all over her.
404
00:19:42,361 --> 00:19:47,108
Hand on her... her breast.
His mouth everywhere.
405
00:19:47,192 --> 00:19:49,415
You had to stop that
for Haley.
406
00:19:49,499 --> 00:19:51,069
Who knows
what he might've done?
407
00:19:51,169 --> 00:19:55,016
So, yeah, I stopped that.
I stopped that good.
408
00:19:55,895 --> 00:19:57,857
How'd you stop Ian,
Mr. Murray?
409
00:19:58,004 --> 00:20:00,748
'Cause we know Ian
was hit on the head.
410
00:20:00,988 --> 00:20:02,863
They found
a bottle at the scene.
411
00:20:02,947 --> 00:20:05,126
Yeah, it's champagne
412
00:20:05,493 --> 00:20:07,939
because the... the kid
brought it himself.
413
00:20:08,024 --> 00:20:09,344
She was only 15.
414
00:20:09,429 --> 00:20:11,866
So you had to step in
for Haley.
415
00:20:14,350 --> 00:20:15,658
I really don't remember,
416
00:20:15,742 --> 00:20:20,402
and I'm gonna need my digitalis
and a lawyer.
417
00:20:28,451 --> 00:20:30,717
All these years
lying to himself.
418
00:20:30,801 --> 00:20:33,937
My guess: he was aroused.
She screamed.
419
00:20:34,021 --> 00:20:35,896
He put his hand over her mouth.
420
00:20:35,980 --> 00:20:39,682
- Okay.
- Sorry, my writer's head.
421
00:20:39,766 --> 00:20:43,121
I'll tell Ian.
422
00:20:43,205 --> 00:20:47,864
- Oh, let's wait for the DNA.
- Oh, right, right.
423
00:20:47,948 --> 00:20:52,086
Wow, Olivia,
how do you do this?
424
00:20:52,170 --> 00:20:55,655
It's a lot, you know,
425
00:20:55,739 --> 00:20:58,397
but I spend time with my son.
426
00:20:58,481 --> 00:21:02,227
I listen to music.
I go on walks when I can.
427
00:21:02,311 --> 00:21:05,618
How about a walk now?
I could use one.
428
00:21:06,837 --> 00:21:08,494
Give me a minute.
429
00:21:08,578 --> 00:21:11,410
New York,
still my favorite city.
430
00:21:11,494 --> 00:21:13,325
Not Paris?
431
00:21:13,409 --> 00:21:16,197
Didn't you live there
with your girlfriend?
432
00:21:16,281 --> 00:21:18,025
- Ex.
- Oh.
433
00:21:18,109 --> 00:21:20,941
She may have ruined
that city for me.
434
00:21:21,025 --> 00:21:22,856
An old man dating a young woman
435
00:21:22,940 --> 00:21:24,336
always ends up
playing the fool.
436
00:21:24,420 --> 00:21:28,035
- Have you been to France?
- I have, Paris once.
437
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,430
- Romantic trip?
- It was, actually.
438
00:21:31,514 --> 00:21:35,085
Oh, is he
still in the picture?
439
00:21:35,169 --> 00:21:36,693
He's not.
440
00:21:38,347 --> 00:21:40,743
Well, here's my hotel.
441
00:21:40,827 --> 00:21:42,615
Plaza?
442
00:21:42,699 --> 00:21:45,354
Podcasting has been
very good to me.
443
00:21:46,790 --> 00:21:48,400
You have time for a nightcap?
444
00:21:49,314 --> 00:21:52,056
I could be persuaded.
445
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,243
Uh, I'm sorry.
446
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,817
That wasn't very gentlemanly.
447
00:22:10,978 --> 00:22:13,197
I didn't mind.
448
00:22:20,260 --> 00:22:21,776
When a father is absent,
449
00:22:21,882 --> 00:22:24,498
it is not unusual
for a younger girl
450
00:22:24,583 --> 00:22:26,421
to be attracted
to an older man.
451
00:22:27,449 --> 00:22:28,972
That's what this is about?
452
00:22:30,174 --> 00:22:32,484
It happens a lot more
than you think.
453
00:22:32,568 --> 00:22:34,135
How old were you?
454
00:22:36,267 --> 00:22:38,687
- Almost 17.
- And he was?
455
00:22:39,913 --> 00:22:42,002
Older than 17.
456
00:22:43,535 --> 00:22:45,758
Hey, beautiful.
Midnight snack?
457
00:22:45,842 --> 00:22:48,656
Raided the minibar.
458
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,023
What you thinking about?
459
00:22:56,963 --> 00:23:00,360
I'm just time-traveling.
460
00:23:01,343 --> 00:23:03,458
Can you believe?
461
00:23:03,624 --> 00:23:05,469
All those years,
462
00:23:05,905 --> 00:23:07,214
and it didn't matter.
463
00:23:09,250 --> 00:23:10,565
They added up.
464
00:23:10,649 --> 00:23:13,177
Well, in certain places.
465
00:23:14,653 --> 00:23:15,740
Do you know
what I think about
466
00:23:15,825 --> 00:23:17,697
- when I think of you?
- What?
467
00:23:18,701 --> 00:23:21,925
Us cycling
through Central Park,
468
00:23:22,009 --> 00:23:25,450
picnicking on the Great Lawn
as night falls
469
00:23:25,534 --> 00:23:27,495
and the city lights
surround us.
470
00:23:27,579 --> 00:23:29,351
What?
471
00:23:32,703 --> 00:23:34,319
That was a sweet night.
472
00:23:36,428 --> 00:23:38,648
So is this.
473
00:23:41,984 --> 00:23:43,729
Oh, I'm sorry.
474
00:23:43,969 --> 00:23:46,359
That could be my nanny.
475
00:23:48,221 --> 00:23:50,749
No, it's a text from Amaro.
476
00:23:50,834 --> 00:23:53,883
"Good news.
The semen sample came back
477
00:23:54,084 --> 00:23:55,741
"from Haley's underwear,
478
00:23:55,825 --> 00:23:58,872
and it is a match
to Roger Murray."
479
00:24:01,766 --> 00:24:04,162
I don't even know
how to respond to that.
480
00:24:07,924 --> 00:24:09,624
Mm.
481
00:24:10,086 --> 00:24:11,801
And it is my sitter.
482
00:24:11,885 --> 00:24:14,235
I'm sorry.
I gotta go.
483
00:24:15,671 --> 00:24:19,156
Listen, I will...
I will call Carisi,
484
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,898
and I will push him
to get Ian released.
485
00:24:21,982 --> 00:24:23,722
Okay, he needs a lawyer.
486
00:24:24,941 --> 00:24:28,034
And I know
exactly who to call.
487
00:24:28,118 --> 00:24:30,341
My client
was completely absolved
488
00:24:30,425 --> 00:24:31,951
by the DNA evidence.
489
00:24:32,035 --> 00:24:36,390
He spent 25 years in prison
for a crime he didn't commit.
490
00:24:36,474 --> 00:24:38,828
What possible reason
could there be for a delay?
491
00:24:38,912 --> 00:24:40,743
The DA's office
is supportive.
492
00:24:40,827 --> 00:24:42,657
We've agreed to release
Mr. Ridley from prison.
493
00:24:42,741 --> 00:24:44,659
But you haven't vacated
the conviction.
494
00:24:44,743 --> 00:24:46,204
You said Roger killed her.
495
00:24:46,289 --> 00:24:47,486
He should pay
for what he did to Haley.
496
00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:48,446
Yes, he should.
497
00:24:48,530 --> 00:24:49,712
We all want justice,
but I can't
498
00:24:49,796 --> 00:24:51,636
just declare Murray guilty
without due process.
499
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:53,446
You did it to Ian
25 years ago.
500
00:24:53,531 --> 00:24:55,101
Burton, please.
501
00:24:55,580 --> 00:24:58,203
Look, I'll ask
the judge to expedite,
502
00:24:58,289 --> 00:25:00,228
but I'm gonna need
to start prepping my witnesses.
503
00:25:00,312 --> 00:25:01,459
I'm happy to testify.
504
00:25:01,544 --> 00:25:03,154
My expert witnesses.
505
00:25:06,005 --> 00:25:07,268
Where's Amaro?
506
00:25:08,078 --> 00:25:09,634
Well, thank you, counselor.
507
00:25:09,719 --> 00:25:11,512
Before I put Ian in the car,
he told me
508
00:25:11,596 --> 00:25:14,037
he feels safe in your hands.
509
00:25:14,121 --> 00:25:16,648
I just wish he'd had
a real lawyer the first time.
510
00:25:16,732 --> 00:25:18,650
It's gonna be
an adjustment for him.
511
00:25:18,734 --> 00:25:20,783
He knows that.
512
00:25:20,867 --> 00:25:22,567
Excuse me.
Showtime.
513
00:25:22,651 --> 00:25:23,873
We get it.
514
00:25:23,957 --> 00:25:26,263
I do have
a podcast to promote.
515
00:25:31,094 --> 00:25:34,231
Two words of advice.
Watch yourself.
516
00:25:34,315 --> 00:25:36,537
I used to have
clients in publishing.
517
00:25:36,621 --> 00:25:38,626
He's got a reputation.
518
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:41,626
So just... eyes open.
519
00:25:42,758 --> 00:25:44,238
Always.
520
00:25:49,243 --> 00:25:52,162
- Captain.
- Liv, I'm glad I caught you.
521
00:25:52,246 --> 00:25:53,903
I've been thinking
about Roger Murray.
522
00:25:53,987 --> 00:25:56,383
Yeah, he's fighting
the DNA evidence.
523
00:25:56,467 --> 00:25:58,516
That's why I'm calling.
524
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,476
He always felt so guilty about
letting down Haley's mother.
525
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,175
Make sure that she is
at that hearing tomorrow.
526
00:26:05,259 --> 00:26:08,569
We'll do, Captain.
Thank you.
527
00:26:08,653 --> 00:26:12,135
Well, thank you, Captain.
528
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,839
You don't know how proud
it makes me to say that.
529
00:26:25,496 --> 00:26:28,372
Our company's Brooklyn lab
has New York State Department
530
00:26:28,456 --> 00:26:31,418
of Health approval to perform
forensic DNA testing.
531
00:26:31,502 --> 00:26:32,985
Thank you, Mr. Amaro.
532
00:26:33,069 --> 00:26:34,857
And here is that certification,
Your Honor.
533
00:26:34,941 --> 00:26:37,120
Thank you, Counselor Carisi.
534
00:26:37,204 --> 00:26:40,732
Your Honor, again,
my client is a retired teacher
535
00:26:40,816 --> 00:26:42,255
who spends Saturdays coaching
536
00:26:42,339 --> 00:26:44,083
his granddaughter's
softball team
537
00:26:44,167 --> 00:26:46,390
on a field
that's been named after him.
538
00:26:46,474 --> 00:26:47,826
He still gets holiday cards
539
00:26:47,910 --> 00:26:49,959
from kids he taught
three decades ago.
540
00:26:50,043 --> 00:26:51,961
We're not addressing
any of that at this hearing.
541
00:26:52,045 --> 00:26:54,093
The people
have presented their case.
542
00:26:54,177 --> 00:26:57,618
Frankly, Your Honor, I worry
that the ADA and this court
543
00:26:57,702 --> 00:26:59,272
are being used to publicize
544
00:26:59,356 --> 00:27:01,622
this DNA company
before it goes public.
545
00:27:01,706 --> 00:27:03,668
Enough, Mr. Roth.
546
00:27:03,752 --> 00:27:05,104
I've heard your arguments,
547
00:27:05,188 --> 00:27:06,801
and I've heard
this state's case.
548
00:27:06,885 --> 00:27:08,847
I'm ruling
in favor of the state.
549
00:27:08,931 --> 00:27:11,047
The DNA will be admissible
at trial.
550
00:27:11,132 --> 00:27:12,494
Thank you, Your Honor.
551
00:27:13,008 --> 00:27:18,023
I need to change my plea.
I want to change my plea.
552
00:27:18,288 --> 00:27:20,903
Not the time.
Not the place, Mr. Murray.
553
00:27:20,987 --> 00:27:22,534
Mr. Murray,
we can talk about this.
554
00:27:22,619 --> 00:27:24,602
No, I don't wanna talk
about it anymore.
555
00:27:26,557 --> 00:27:28,475
I killed that poor girl.
556
00:27:33,695 --> 00:27:36,741
I'm sorry, Joyce.
557
00:27:38,265 --> 00:27:41,314
I've... I've never
forgiven myself.
558
00:27:58,676 --> 00:28:00,290
So is it over?
559
00:28:00,374 --> 00:28:02,031
The judge will want Murray
to allocute,
560
00:28:02,115 --> 00:28:03,075
make sure that the guilty plea
561
00:28:03,159 --> 00:28:04,555
was knowing
and voluntary, but...
562
00:28:04,639 --> 00:28:06,426
So, soon?
563
00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:09,038
I'll speak to the DA,
insist it's time.
564
00:28:09,122 --> 00:28:11,779
Congratulations.
565
00:28:11,863 --> 00:28:13,825
To both of us.
566
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:16,828
I'm gonna call Ian,
and then dinner?
567
00:28:16,912 --> 00:28:19,657
- That sounds great.
- Excuse me.
568
00:28:19,741 --> 00:28:21,485
You're a Captain Benson,
the head of SVU?
569
00:28:21,569 --> 00:28:22,616
I am.
570
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:24,053
Can I ask you
what you're doing
571
00:28:24,137 --> 00:28:26,925
- working with a predator?
- I'm sorry?
572
00:28:27,009 --> 00:28:29,667
Whoa, what's going on?
573
00:28:29,751 --> 00:28:31,234
You don't
remember me, Burton?
574
00:28:31,318 --> 00:28:32,452
Andrea Malone.
575
00:28:32,536 --> 00:28:34,280
Yes, of course.
I remember you, Andrea.
576
00:28:34,364 --> 00:28:36,065
You were
my editor's intern on...
577
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:38,719
On your last novel
10 years ago.
578
00:28:39,131 --> 00:28:40,875
Ask him what he did
to me back then.
579
00:28:40,998 --> 00:28:42,739
I was only 20 years old.
580
00:28:43,939 --> 00:28:46,624
Andrea, if I've upset you
in some way,
581
00:28:46,709 --> 00:28:48,140
this isn't
the time or the place.
582
00:28:48,225 --> 00:28:50,351
Upset me?
You raped me.
583
00:28:52,613 --> 00:28:54,572
I want him arrested.
584
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:00,636
Is she okay?
Did you talk her down?
585
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,246
No, Burton,
I didn't talk her down.
586
00:29:02,330 --> 00:29:04,061
I listened to her.
587
00:29:04,530 --> 00:29:06,468
Fin and Rollins
are taking her to the station
588
00:29:06,552 --> 00:29:07,991
to get her statement.
589
00:29:08,075 --> 00:29:11,473
Olivia, I swear to God,
I did not rape her.
590
00:29:11,557 --> 00:29:13,779
Well, that's not
Andrea's recollection.
591
00:29:13,863 --> 00:29:16,739
I haven't seen her
in 10 years.
592
00:29:16,823 --> 00:29:19,913
I am completely blindsided
by this.
593
00:29:22,089 --> 00:29:25,313
So you're saying that you two
were never involved.
594
00:29:25,397 --> 00:29:29,012
- I'm not saying that.
- Burton, so what did happen?
595
00:29:29,096 --> 00:29:30,666
We had a flirtation
596
00:29:30,750 --> 00:29:32,407
the summer she worked
for my editor.
597
00:29:32,491 --> 00:29:34,670
The night before
she went back to college,
598
00:29:34,754 --> 00:29:38,195
I took her out for dinner
to say thanks.
599
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:40,502
We had a few drinks.
600
00:29:40,586 --> 00:29:42,852
We ended up back
at my hotel room.
601
00:29:42,936 --> 00:29:45,681
- It was completely consensual.
- And after?
602
00:29:45,765 --> 00:29:47,335
She left later that night.
603
00:29:47,419 --> 00:29:50,164
I gave her the cab fare home.
604
00:29:50,248 --> 00:29:52,598
She never said a word.
605
00:29:54,774 --> 00:29:57,603
I have never been
in this situation before.
606
00:29:58,865 --> 00:30:02,611
Just tell me.
What do we do now?
607
00:30:02,695 --> 00:30:06,136
We don't do anything.
608
00:30:06,220 --> 00:30:09,922
I have to recuse myself
from the case.
609
00:30:10,006 --> 00:30:13,488
My sergeant will call you
and let you know next steps.
610
00:30:16,665 --> 00:30:19,193
Understood.
611
00:30:25,805 --> 00:30:27,244
It was the night
before I left
612
00:30:27,328 --> 00:30:29,377
for my senior year at Holyoke.
613
00:30:29,461 --> 00:30:30,900
I tried to put it
out of my mind.
614
00:30:30,984 --> 00:30:33,381
I managed to do that
for 10 years.
615
00:30:33,465 --> 00:30:34,904
Why come forward now?
616
00:30:34,988 --> 00:30:36,601
All the press
about the case,
617
00:30:36,685 --> 00:30:40,170
Burton freeing an innocent man,
putting a rapist behind bars.
618
00:30:40,254 --> 00:30:43,521
I thought, "How dare he?
He should be behind bars."
619
00:30:43,605 --> 00:30:45,132
You interned for Burton?
620
00:30:45,216 --> 00:30:48,091
No, for his editor,
Kristin Thorton.
621
00:30:48,175 --> 00:30:49,614
I wanted to be a writer.
622
00:30:49,698 --> 00:30:52,226
Burton would come
into the office.
623
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:53,749
We'd talk.
624
00:30:53,833 --> 00:30:56,578
He asked me
who my favorite authors were.
625
00:30:56,662 --> 00:31:00,059
He gave me books.
We talked about art, music.
626
00:31:00,143 --> 00:31:03,498
He put a bunch of songs
on a zip drive for me.
627
00:31:03,582 --> 00:31:05,497
"Girl from Ipanema."
628
00:31:07,238 --> 00:31:11,680
- And the night of the assault?
- He took me to Balthazar.
629
00:31:11,764 --> 00:31:16,946
A few martinis later,
we ended up at his hotel...
630
00:31:17,030 --> 00:31:18,031
kissing.
631
00:31:20,207 --> 00:31:23,170
I remember
lying back on the bed.
632
00:31:23,254 --> 00:31:25,259
I was drunk.
633
00:31:25,343 --> 00:31:27,261
I must have passed out,
634
00:31:27,345 --> 00:31:30,652
because when I came back to,
he was inside me.
635
00:31:32,915 --> 00:31:34,790
I just let him finish.
636
00:31:34,874 --> 00:31:37,140
Have you ever told
anyone else about this?
637
00:31:37,224 --> 00:31:39,969
No, not until today.
638
00:31:40,053 --> 00:31:44,191
When I saw Burton,
I just went off on him
639
00:31:44,275 --> 00:31:46,233
and your captain.
640
00:31:48,627 --> 00:31:50,458
It's a 10-year-old
"he said, she said."
641
00:31:50,542 --> 00:31:52,068
He wasn't violent,
but she was drunk.
642
00:31:52,152 --> 00:31:54,026
She may not have been
capable of consent.
643
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:55,637
No outcry at the time.
No rape kit.
644
00:31:55,721 --> 00:31:57,813
Well, if she's not capable
of consent, that's rape three,
645
00:31:57,897 --> 00:32:00,900
but 10 years ago,
past the statute.
646
00:32:02,684 --> 00:32:04,199
What did you tell her?
647
00:32:04,284 --> 00:32:06,871
That we don't have enough
to arrest Burton.
648
00:32:06,993 --> 00:32:09,520
Should I call Carisi and see
if he thinks there's a case?
649
00:32:09,604 --> 00:32:12,825
He won't unless
other women come forward.
650
00:32:13,803 --> 00:32:17,006
So call his publisher,
651
00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:19,878
his editor,
and his podcast producer.
652
00:32:19,962 --> 00:32:21,315
Want me to deal with Burton?
653
00:32:21,399 --> 00:32:24,663
No, Fin, I... I'll talk to him.
Thank you.
654
00:32:28,754 --> 00:32:30,452
I am so sorry.
655
00:32:31,583 --> 00:32:33,196
This woman... is she credible?
656
00:32:33,569 --> 00:32:35,006
She was.
657
00:32:35,136 --> 00:32:37,678
Whether you can prove
its rape three, I don't know.
658
00:32:37,763 --> 00:32:39,429
Burton was 50.
She was 20.
659
00:32:39,514 --> 00:32:41,073
He spent the summer
grooming her.
660
00:32:41,157 --> 00:32:42,597
How?
What... what did he do?
661
00:32:42,681 --> 00:32:44,686
He solicited her opinion
about his novel,
662
00:32:44,770 --> 00:32:46,514
took her out
to nice restaurants,
663
00:32:46,598 --> 00:32:50,213
- gave her books, music.
- Music?
664
00:32:50,297 --> 00:32:52,694
Yeah, like
a Brazilian compilation.
665
00:32:52,778 --> 00:32:55,397
"Girl from Ipanema."
Older man move.
666
00:33:47,180 --> 00:33:50,142
Getz and Gilberto's
"The Girl from Ipanema"...
667
00:33:50,226 --> 00:33:53,929
♪ Tall and tan
and young and lovely ♪
668
00:33:54,013 --> 00:33:57,889
♪ The girl from Ipanema
goes walking ♪
669
00:33:57,973 --> 00:33:59,935
♪ And when she passes
670
00:34:00,019 --> 00:34:03,547
♪ Each one
she passes goes "ah" ♪
671
00:34:08,201 --> 00:34:11,422
"To the girl who's tall
and tan and young and lovely."
672
00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:16,688
He gave you
"The Girl from Ipanema" too?
673
00:34:17,906 --> 00:34:19,952
And I thought
he was so sophisticated.
674
00:34:22,258 --> 00:34:24,394
Did you get anything?
675
00:34:24,478 --> 00:34:26,788
All his editors
and publishers acknowledged
676
00:34:26,872 --> 00:34:28,746
he's a ladies' man,
but no HR issues.
677
00:34:28,830 --> 00:34:30,444
As of now.
678
00:34:30,528 --> 00:34:32,837
Andrea posted
on her Instagram last night.
679
00:34:32,921 --> 00:34:33,892
Saying what?
680
00:34:33,977 --> 00:34:36,580
Saying that she thinks
that we're protecting Burton.
681
00:34:37,883 --> 00:34:40,454
She gave the details
of her assault,
682
00:34:40,538 --> 00:34:42,412
and five women replied
683
00:34:42,496 --> 00:34:45,415
saying Burton
did the same thing to them.
684
00:34:45,499 --> 00:34:48,026
I have their usernames
here somewhere,
685
00:34:48,110 --> 00:34:50,464
but, well, you get the point.
686
00:34:50,548 --> 00:34:53,336
♪
687
00:34:53,420 --> 00:34:55,817
Burton's a stalker.
Our PR firm used to rep him.
688
00:34:55,901 --> 00:34:57,166
I was an office assistant.
689
00:34:57,250 --> 00:34:59,908
Can you elaborate
on the stalker part?
690
00:34:59,992 --> 00:35:02,040
He brought me coffee,
then flowers,
691
00:35:02,124 --> 00:35:04,869
got too close at events,
asked me out for drinks.
692
00:35:04,953 --> 00:35:07,350
- One night, I gave in.
- He asked for a nightcap.
693
00:35:07,434 --> 00:35:09,178
So you went
to his hotel room?
694
00:35:09,262 --> 00:35:11,920
He came to mine
with champagne.
695
00:35:12,004 --> 00:35:15,619
I let him in, and it happened.
696
00:35:15,703 --> 00:35:17,665
Did you want to
have sex with him?
697
00:35:17,749 --> 00:35:20,276
I didn't stop him.
698
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,627
You're asking
if he's a predator?
699
00:35:23,711 --> 00:35:25,760
You wouldn't have come to me
if you thought otherwise.
700
00:35:27,759 --> 00:35:29,321
How many women so far?
701
00:35:29,406 --> 00:35:34,106
With Alexandra and Stacey,
uh, eight or nine.
702
00:35:35,462 --> 00:35:36,727
What do you have?
703
00:35:36,811 --> 00:35:38,033
So all of the women say
704
00:35:38,117 --> 00:35:40,078
they felt pressured,
uncomfortable.
705
00:35:40,162 --> 00:35:41,776
None of them say
that he assaulted them.
706
00:35:41,860 --> 00:35:45,867
- Okay, so he's not a rapist.
- Maybe not, but he's a creep.
707
00:35:45,951 --> 00:35:47,390
Or an old-school player.
708
00:35:47,474 --> 00:35:49,436
He played me, but had
to have known you worked here
709
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,915
when he asked me
to look at this case.
710
00:35:50,999 --> 00:35:52,308
He used me to get to you.
711
00:35:52,392 --> 00:35:54,005
Nick, he wasn't trying
to deceive you.
712
00:35:54,089 --> 00:35:55,529
I asked him about that.
713
00:35:55,613 --> 00:35:58,183
He said that he wasn't sure
how I would react.
714
00:35:58,267 --> 00:36:02,710
So I know that his wanting
to free Ian Ridley is sincere.
715
00:36:02,794 --> 00:36:05,713
Is it?
Or this about his career?
716
00:36:05,797 --> 00:36:08,933
His podcast?
Liv, I'm angry right now.
717
00:36:09,017 --> 00:36:10,761
- Okay.
- I knew this guy was bad news.
718
00:36:10,845 --> 00:36:14,370
All right, why don't you let
these ladies go home, please?
719
00:36:17,702 --> 00:36:21,728
Nick, Ian Ridley
has been exonerated
720
00:36:21,813 --> 00:36:24,253
after 25 years.
721
00:36:24,337 --> 00:36:28,866
I don't want whatever this is
to overshadow that.
722
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:31,913
I'm sorry I walked him
back into your life.
723
00:36:31,997 --> 00:36:34,089
Please.
I'm... I'm a big girl, Nick.
724
00:36:34,173 --> 00:36:37,875
Still, I mean,
how old were you then?
725
00:36:37,959 --> 00:36:39,834
Hmm, 16?
He was 21.
726
00:36:39,918 --> 00:36:41,792
My daughter's 15.
727
00:36:41,876 --> 00:36:43,881
And it was
a different time then.
728
00:36:43,965 --> 00:36:46,101
We were in love.
729
00:36:46,185 --> 00:36:49,017
Anything that we did,
I wanted to do.
730
00:36:49,101 --> 00:36:50,845
It was my choice.
731
00:36:50,929 --> 00:36:53,108
Well, that's the thing
about predators, Liv.
732
00:36:53,192 --> 00:36:54,849
The good ones, the smart ones,
733
00:36:54,933 --> 00:36:57,242
they make their victims
believe that.
734
00:36:57,326 --> 00:36:59,593
Nick, thank you,
and I appreciate
735
00:36:59,677 --> 00:37:01,290
that you have graduate degrees,
736
00:37:01,374 --> 00:37:03,771
but I've also been here
for a very long time,
737
00:37:03,855 --> 00:37:06,347
so I don't need your expertise,
but thank you so much.
738
00:37:07,877 --> 00:37:11,856
Well, physician,
heal thyself.
739
00:37:11,941 --> 00:37:13,478
I think we're done now.
740
00:37:37,284 --> 00:37:39,043
She told me that if I
didn't stop seeing him,
741
00:37:39,127 --> 00:37:41,160
that she would have him
kicked out of college,
742
00:37:41,776 --> 00:37:43,589
and I told her
that I was moving out.
743
00:37:46,012 --> 00:37:48,278
She was halfway through
a bottle of vodka,
744
00:37:48,363 --> 00:37:49,933
and she dropped it.
745
00:37:50,329 --> 00:37:52,082
It shattered
all over the floor,
746
00:37:52,175 --> 00:37:54,997
and then she picked up
the jagged edge of the bottle,
747
00:37:55,081 --> 00:37:58,522
and she came at me,
748
00:37:58,606 --> 00:38:00,742
screaming,
749
00:38:00,826 --> 00:38:03,875
"I'll never let
anyone else have you."
750
00:38:27,113 --> 00:38:30,510
Oh, Liv, come in.
751
00:38:30,594 --> 00:38:33,075
I'm so glad to see you.
I've been calling.
752
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,297
Yeah, I know.
753
00:38:34,381 --> 00:38:36,059
Can I... can I get...
Can I get you something?
754
00:38:36,143 --> 00:38:37,278
No, no.
No, thanks.
755
00:38:37,385 --> 00:38:39,425
Listen, first,
I wanna apologize again
756
00:38:39,566 --> 00:38:41,390
for the incredibly
awkward situation.
757
00:38:41,475 --> 00:38:43,785
Yeah, it's been
a long couple of days.
758
00:38:43,869 --> 00:38:45,622
Are you... are you sure
I can't get you something?
759
00:38:45,706 --> 00:38:47,319
No, trust me.
760
00:38:47,404 --> 00:38:49,443
Well, I'm gonna have another
because it's been a hell
761
00:38:49,527 --> 00:38:50,792
of a 48 hours for me too.
762
00:38:50,876 --> 00:38:53,316
My publisher's having
a meltdown, my publicist.
763
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,797
Do you know this woman,
Andrea Malone?
764
00:38:55,881 --> 00:38:59,061
Do you know that her posts
just went viral?
765
00:38:59,145 --> 00:39:00,149
- I know.
- You know?
766
00:39:00,233 --> 00:39:01,716
I did.
767
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,152
I mean, do you what
that means in this day and age?
768
00:39:03,236 --> 00:39:06,329
Cancel culture?
My podcast's on hold.
769
00:39:06,413 --> 00:39:08,154
My reps are useless.
770
00:39:10,509 --> 00:39:12,337
Have we resolved this?
771
00:39:13,202 --> 00:39:17,308
Burton, my detectives
found Andrea's story credible.
772
00:39:19,774 --> 00:39:21,039
What?
773
00:39:24,029 --> 00:39:26,251
Do I need a lawyer?
774
00:39:26,839 --> 00:39:29,613
The case is beyond
the statute of limitations,
775
00:39:29,697 --> 00:39:31,876
so there's nothing
that we can charge you with.
776
00:39:31,996 --> 00:39:34,836
Well, 'cause there's
nothing to charge.
777
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,142
I didn't do anything, Olivia.
778
00:39:37,226 --> 00:39:40,624
And this one woman
is destroying my name!
779
00:39:40,708 --> 00:39:42,713
First of all,
it's not one woman.
780
00:39:42,797 --> 00:39:44,843
There are others.
781
00:39:46,583 --> 00:39:49,935
Oh, no.
Oh, oh, God.
782
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:56,814
Wait, who?
783
00:39:57,167 --> 00:39:59,643
I have a right
to know my accusers.
784
00:39:59,727 --> 00:40:04,430
Look, none of
the allegations rose
785
00:40:04,514 --> 00:40:06,868
to a level
of chargeable offenses,
786
00:40:06,953 --> 00:40:09,259
so you're off the hook.
787
00:40:10,477 --> 00:40:13,230
I haven't been
a saint, Olivia.
788
00:40:13,628 --> 00:40:17,704
If a beautiful, younger woman
seemed interested in me,
789
00:40:17,788 --> 00:40:20,664
I'm human.
I was grateful.
790
00:40:20,748 --> 00:40:23,348
Yes.
Did I sleep with some of them?
791
00:40:23,433 --> 00:40:25,103
Absolutely.
792
00:40:25,187 --> 00:40:30,097
But I never took
advantage of anyone ever.
793
00:40:31,836 --> 00:40:34,189
That's not
what these women are saying.
794
00:40:34,414 --> 00:40:36,636
Burton, listen to me.
Come on.
795
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:41,511
You were
a powerful, successful man.
796
00:40:41,722 --> 00:40:46,385
These women looked up to you.
You abused their trust.
797
00:40:46,469 --> 00:40:47,847
Oh, come on.
798
00:40:47,949 --> 00:40:50,517
They didn't complain
at the time.
799
00:40:51,866 --> 00:40:54,872
Have I pursued women?
Yes.
800
00:40:54,956 --> 00:40:56,265
You know what
it used to be called?
801
00:40:56,349 --> 00:40:58,223
Seduction, not rape.
802
00:40:58,307 --> 00:41:00,878
Come on.
803
00:41:00,962 --> 00:41:04,012
You know me, Olivia.
804
00:41:04,096 --> 00:41:06,753
Do you really not understand
the power differential?
805
00:41:06,837 --> 00:41:10,148
Do you not understand
that you were their mentor?
806
00:41:10,232 --> 00:41:12,063
I was, and so what?
807
00:41:12,147 --> 00:41:15,719
It's okay for them to
obliterate a lifetime's work?
808
00:41:15,803 --> 00:41:20,245
My reputation?
Over these... these fabrications?
809
00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:23,509
That's okay.
But what about Ian Ridley?
810
00:41:23,593 --> 00:41:25,856
What about
all the good I've done?
811
00:41:27,946 --> 00:41:31,909
I need you to stand up
and defend me here, Olivia.
812
00:41:31,993 --> 00:41:36,000
You're a captain at the SVU.
You can do that.
813
00:41:36,084 --> 00:41:40,135
- I can't.
- Why not?
814
00:41:40,219 --> 00:41:43,225
You slept with me
815
00:41:43,309 --> 00:41:46,968
when I was 16, Burton.
816
00:41:47,052 --> 00:41:49,666
You were 21.
817
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:53,844
And technically, that is...
That is sexual assault.
818
00:41:56,931 --> 00:41:59,415
Oh, are you saying
819
00:41:59,499 --> 00:42:01,896
that you're a victim now?
820
00:42:07,333 --> 00:42:08,728
We were in love.
821
00:42:08,812 --> 00:42:11,818
I was a teenager.
My house was a mess.
822
00:42:11,902 --> 00:42:13,603
You knew that.
823
00:42:13,687 --> 00:42:15,387
You knew that I
would do anything
824
00:42:15,471 --> 00:42:17,172
to get away from my mother.
825
00:42:17,256 --> 00:42:20,784
Oh, please don't get
her voice in your head.
826
00:42:20,868 --> 00:42:23,613
We both know
she was stone crazy.
827
00:42:23,697 --> 00:42:26,224
Was she?
Was she, Burton?
828
00:42:26,308 --> 00:42:28,531
Or maybe...
829
00:42:28,615 --> 00:42:31,751
Maybe she was
trying to protect me.
830
00:42:31,835 --> 00:42:35,451
Do you remember
the first night we had sex
831
00:42:35,535 --> 00:42:37,975
40 years ago?
832
00:42:38,059 --> 00:42:39,059
I do.
833
00:42:40,801 --> 00:42:42,846
You didn't put up
much of a fight.
834
00:42:45,501 --> 00:42:47,637
And the other night,
are you gonna change
835
00:42:47,721 --> 00:42:50,335
the narrative there, too,
and say that I raped you?
836
00:42:50,419 --> 00:42:52,163
No, Burton, of course not.
837
00:42:52,247 --> 00:42:55,688
Because that sure seemed
like consent to me.
838
00:42:55,772 --> 00:42:57,952
What the hell do you
want from me, Olivia?
839
00:42:58,036 --> 00:43:01,129
An apology because
I was in love with you?
840
00:43:01,213 --> 00:43:02,957
Maybe.
841
00:43:03,041 --> 00:43:04,784
Maybe I wanted
842
00:43:04,868 --> 00:43:08,049
some sort of acknowledgement
843
00:43:08,133 --> 00:43:10,007
because I was so young.
844
00:43:13,747 --> 00:43:17,751
Well, you're not
gonna get it.
845
00:43:20,536 --> 00:43:22,147
I can see that.
846
00:43:24,932 --> 00:43:26,328
Oh, come on.
847
00:43:26,412 --> 00:43:27,938
Where... where you going?
848
00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:30,027
Oh, that's it?
We're done?
849
00:43:30,111 --> 00:43:31,028
Goodbye, Burton.
850
00:43:42,558 --> 00:43:45,953
I hate him
for what he did to you.
851
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,612
So do I,
852
00:43:49,696 --> 00:43:52,615
and if he hadn't,
853
00:43:52,699 --> 00:43:55,052
you would not be here.
854
00:44:08,541 --> 00:44:10,456
Nick, it's Liv.
855
00:44:11,539 --> 00:44:15,720
I wanted to tell you that
you were right about Burton,
856
00:44:16,406 --> 00:44:20,983
and I'm sorry
for being so defensive.
857
00:44:22,797 --> 00:44:24,375
And thank you.
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