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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:11,660 (light music) 4 00:00:11,660 --> 00:00:14,080 - It's been called the natural order of earth. 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,090 Species are born and in the blink of an eye, 6 00:00:16,090 --> 00:00:20,160 earth is full of life, all in perfect harmony. 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,800 Along with all the plants and the animals, 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,170 humans are born into this marvelous systems as well 9 00:00:25,170 --> 00:00:27,620 and just like that, humans are ready to roam the earth 10 00:00:27,620 --> 00:00:29,413 and experience life on the planet. 11 00:00:30,980 --> 00:00:33,110 But like in the natural order of life, 12 00:00:33,110 --> 00:00:35,253 all living things must come to an end. 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:37,493 Death is inevitable. 14 00:00:38,530 --> 00:00:41,560 Some fear death, while others welcome it. 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,640 Now it's estimated to some 500 to 750 million people 16 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,070 believe that when you're dead, you're dead. 17 00:00:48,070 --> 00:00:49,570 And conversely, there are billions 18 00:00:49,570 --> 00:00:50,993 that believe in otherwise. 19 00:00:51,850 --> 00:00:54,223 But one thing's for certain, we all will die. 20 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,820 But do we really die or do we go to some other place 21 00:00:58,820 --> 00:01:01,090 and continue to live on? 22 00:01:01,090 --> 00:01:03,035 Join me as I sit down with these amazing people 23 00:01:03,035 --> 00:01:06,413 that died but came back to talk about it. 24 00:01:07,866 --> 00:01:12,866 (powerful music) (thunder roaring) 25 00:01:21,579 --> 00:01:24,079 (eerie music) 26 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,630 - I remember he was a very big man 27 00:01:28,630 --> 00:01:31,160 and I remember him leaning into me 28 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:36,160 and he could tell that I was not okay. 29 00:01:36,330 --> 00:01:38,973 I knew that I was dying. 30 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:46,190 They carried me in and the look in the pastor's eyes, 31 00:01:46,190 --> 00:01:47,530 I remember him standing up 32 00:01:47,530 --> 00:01:49,373 and he slammed his fist on his desk. 33 00:01:51,865 --> 00:01:54,860 And he asked me if I believed in God. 34 00:01:54,860 --> 00:01:56,700 I said I believe in God. 35 00:01:56,700 --> 00:02:00,980 And that's when my spirit that I call it, my spiritual self, 36 00:02:00,980 --> 00:02:04,023 left this shell, this physical body. 37 00:02:04,023 --> 00:02:06,523 (eerie music) 38 00:02:09,780 --> 00:02:14,300 When I left my body, first I was on the ceiling 39 00:02:14,300 --> 00:02:16,570 and I was looking down and I was watching the paramedics 40 00:02:16,570 --> 00:02:18,959 work on my body and put me into the ambulance. 41 00:02:18,959 --> 00:02:22,310 (sirens wailing) (chattering) 42 00:02:22,310 --> 00:02:25,470 And I knew at that moment, well, that's really nice. 43 00:02:25,470 --> 00:02:28,270 I'm glad they're doing that, but I'm not coming back. 44 00:02:28,270 --> 00:02:29,660 I just had this knowing. 45 00:02:29,660 --> 00:02:31,360 And it was almost, you know, 46 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,600 instantly of having that knowing that I wasn't coming back 47 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,510 that I remember feeling this presence on my right side 48 00:02:38,510 --> 00:02:41,940 and looking up and that's when there was a tunnel 49 00:02:41,940 --> 00:02:44,083 and that tunnel at first was dark for me. 50 00:02:44,930 --> 00:02:48,380 Very rapidly it went to a completely light filled tunnel 51 00:02:49,790 --> 00:02:51,630 and it was filled with so much love. 52 00:02:51,630 --> 00:02:54,700 It's so hard to put into human words 53 00:02:54,700 --> 00:02:56,860 the love that was in that tunnel. 54 00:02:56,860 --> 00:02:59,670 It was almost an energetic feeling 55 00:02:59,670 --> 00:03:02,666 propelling me at this supersonic speed. 56 00:03:02,666 --> 00:03:05,166 (eerie music) 57 00:03:08,260 --> 00:03:12,900 For the first time, I felt like I was alive. 58 00:03:12,900 --> 00:03:14,310 I was really alive. 59 00:03:14,310 --> 00:03:18,220 It was incredible 'cause I had had so much pain 60 00:03:18,220 --> 00:03:21,083 up until that moment that I took my last breath. 61 00:03:22,660 --> 00:03:24,440 But when I took that last breath, 62 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:29,440 it was the most wonderful feeling. 63 00:03:29,733 --> 00:03:31,800 And it didn't contain me. 64 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,150 I was so much more than that shell on the floor. 65 00:03:36,150 --> 00:03:38,290 I had no desire to go back in. 66 00:03:38,290 --> 00:03:40,400 I was done, I was checking out. 67 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,410 I still knew I was Erica McKenzie. 68 00:03:42,410 --> 00:03:43,850 I knew that was the human me. 69 00:03:43,850 --> 00:03:45,925 But I knew this was the real me. 70 00:03:45,925 --> 00:03:48,425 (eerie music) 71 00:03:52,030 --> 00:03:55,070 If all that happened to me was that at that point, 72 00:03:55,070 --> 00:03:56,950 I would have stayed in that tunnel 73 00:03:56,950 --> 00:03:58,640 of love and light forever. 74 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,770 It was more than enough. 75 00:04:00,770 --> 00:04:03,730 It was more love than I had ever felt 76 00:04:03,730 --> 00:04:07,093 to that magnitude as a human on earth. 77 00:04:09,100 --> 00:04:12,830 - Erica's lungs shut down and she could no longer breathe. 78 00:04:12,830 --> 00:04:14,830 The doctors tried to resuscitate her, 79 00:04:14,830 --> 00:04:16,403 but she flat lined and died. 80 00:04:17,250 --> 00:04:20,020 She felt her body then begin to float. 81 00:04:20,020 --> 00:04:21,733 She noticed her pain was gone. 82 00:04:22,770 --> 00:04:25,150 She said that she felt more alive 83 00:04:25,150 --> 00:04:27,840 than when she was alive here on earth. 84 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:30,300 Now while in the tunnel, she felt a love 85 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:32,113 that she had never felt before. 86 00:04:33,030 --> 00:04:35,950 This love was so intense she said she would've been fine 87 00:04:35,950 --> 00:04:37,430 to stay there forever. 88 00:04:41,002 --> 00:04:43,502 (eerie music) 89 00:04:46,047 --> 00:04:48,880 (twinkling music) 90 00:04:50,090 --> 00:04:52,343 - I was close to three years old. 91 00:04:55,525 --> 00:04:57,590 On the patio, there was a tank 92 00:04:57,590 --> 00:05:02,050 and this tank was in a corner and it was a big tank. 93 00:05:02,050 --> 00:05:05,670 It held around 900 gallons of water 94 00:05:05,670 --> 00:05:10,210 and we decided (gasps) let's play catch across the tank. 95 00:05:10,210 --> 00:05:14,140 I bended my legs and I would lean very precariously 96 00:05:14,140 --> 00:05:15,213 at the edge of this tank. 97 00:05:15,213 --> 00:05:17,640 Well my sister threw the ball at me. 98 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,327 She didn't apply enough force 99 00:05:20,327 --> 00:05:23,430 and when I leaned forward to try to grab it, 100 00:05:23,430 --> 00:05:26,395 the ball rolled on the surface on the tank 101 00:05:26,395 --> 00:05:29,494 and I fell into the water. 102 00:05:29,494 --> 00:05:34,494 (suspenseful music) (screaming) 103 00:05:35,580 --> 00:05:39,880 Probably was about 30, 40 degrees fahrenheit, 104 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,950 so the first thing I felt when falling in the water 105 00:05:42,950 --> 00:05:46,613 was this sense of being frigid cold. 106 00:05:48,740 --> 00:05:53,434 I also realized that I could not breathe. 107 00:05:53,434 --> 00:05:56,250 (dark music) 108 00:05:56,250 --> 00:05:58,280 So the sense of feeling cold 109 00:05:58,280 --> 00:06:01,860 or the sense of not being able to breathe 110 00:06:01,860 --> 00:06:06,523 brought me to experience a moment of absolutely horror. 111 00:06:08,405 --> 00:06:10,905 (eerie music) 112 00:06:20,820 --> 00:06:23,760 At that age, I didn't know that 113 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,773 if you fall into water, you drown. 114 00:06:27,660 --> 00:06:31,793 We had never been in a pool, we didn't have a bathtub, 115 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,680 so at that moment, the sense of terror 116 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,680 was very, very profound. 117 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,097 (dark music) 118 00:06:45,550 --> 00:06:47,690 I could hear my heart. 119 00:06:47,690 --> 00:06:51,330 Imagine the state of anxiety, the state of horror. 120 00:06:51,330 --> 00:06:55,330 My heart was beating very loud in my chest 121 00:06:55,330 --> 00:06:56,680 like a bass drum. 122 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,030 Boom, boom, boom. 123 00:06:59,030 --> 00:07:00,863 And then just like that, 124 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,920 it stopped and I was in absolute silence. 125 00:07:13,507 --> 00:07:16,007 (light music) 126 00:07:17,846 --> 00:07:20,020 But something happened. 127 00:07:20,020 --> 00:07:24,700 While I was experiencing this state of absolute terror, 128 00:07:24,700 --> 00:07:29,700 I went from that to experience absolute peace. 129 00:07:35,664 --> 00:07:38,350 It was just like that, 130 00:07:38,350 --> 00:07:43,350 I went from horror to a state of absolute wellbeing. 131 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,910 I didn't know what happened, 132 00:07:48,910 --> 00:07:52,763 but I was experiencing this sense 133 00:07:52,763 --> 00:07:55,230 that I didn't need anything. 134 00:07:55,230 --> 00:07:57,310 I didn't need to fight anymore. 135 00:07:57,310 --> 00:08:00,853 I just was in this state of peace. 136 00:08:02,241 --> 00:08:04,260 (light music) 137 00:08:04,260 --> 00:08:05,940 - Ingrid was only three years old 138 00:08:05,940 --> 00:08:08,120 and did not yet know how to swim. 139 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,710 The moment that she entered the water, 140 00:08:09,710 --> 00:08:13,043 she was overwhelmed with how frigid it was. 141 00:08:14,410 --> 00:08:16,760 Now it wasn't too long that Ingrid realized 142 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,160 she could no longer breathe. 143 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:20,863 Terror set in. 144 00:08:21,980 --> 00:08:24,543 The beating of her heart began to overwhelm her. 145 00:08:25,494 --> 00:08:28,250 Then, in an instant, her heart stopped 146 00:08:28,250 --> 00:08:31,262 and the world around her went silent. 147 00:08:31,262 --> 00:08:33,679 (dark music) 148 00:08:37,860 --> 00:08:39,610 - I get to the end of the tunnel. 149 00:08:39,610 --> 00:08:43,403 I can see what looks to be stars in a galaxy. 150 00:08:47,229 --> 00:08:51,493 And then I felt this presence that I had known as a child. 151 00:08:56,220 --> 00:09:01,220 I recognized the presence and it was so spectacular. 152 00:09:01,660 --> 00:09:04,263 I could not even look upon it. 153 00:09:05,140 --> 00:09:06,243 I knew it was God. 154 00:09:07,350 --> 00:09:11,180 And while I didn't see a physical form at this point of God, 155 00:09:11,180 --> 00:09:16,059 I could feel as though God was putting His arms around me. 156 00:09:16,059 --> 00:09:18,559 (light music) 157 00:09:20,870 --> 00:09:22,250 God and I stood there 158 00:09:22,250 --> 00:09:23,670 and I'm looking in front of me 159 00:09:23,670 --> 00:09:25,380 and there's all of these stars. 160 00:09:25,380 --> 00:09:27,660 It was so incredible. 161 00:09:27,660 --> 00:09:31,640 I have this overwhelming feeling of love 162 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,310 and all of a sudden, God and I begin to communicate 163 00:09:35,310 --> 00:09:37,410 and it wasn't anything that I was used to 164 00:09:37,410 --> 00:09:39,070 communicating like on earth. 165 00:09:39,070 --> 00:09:42,750 It was telepathically, meaning I would think this thought 166 00:09:42,750 --> 00:09:43,820 and as soon as I thought it, 167 00:09:43,820 --> 00:09:45,833 God would replace it with an answer. 168 00:09:47,140 --> 00:09:49,210 And as this dialogue was going on 169 00:09:49,210 --> 00:09:51,550 and I am being filled with answers 170 00:09:51,550 --> 00:09:53,530 to the questions that I'm asking, 171 00:09:53,530 --> 00:09:58,530 and I hear this whirring noise like an old antique projector 172 00:09:58,870 --> 00:10:02,270 and I see on the screen three, two, one, 173 00:10:02,270 --> 00:10:04,560 the life review of Erica McKenzie. 174 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:07,890 And I proceeded to have this life review with God. 175 00:10:07,890 --> 00:10:09,770 Everything that I had lived 176 00:10:09,770 --> 00:10:12,380 from the day that I was born until that day 177 00:10:12,380 --> 00:10:15,903 31 human years later that I died. 178 00:10:17,260 --> 00:10:21,200 And the events that happened in this life review 179 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:27,360 were events that what I like to call humanly significant, 180 00:10:29,490 --> 00:10:30,610 accolades if you will. 181 00:10:30,610 --> 00:10:35,090 Things that we as human deem important in our life. 182 00:10:35,090 --> 00:10:38,690 I remember seeing losing my first tooth in first grade, 183 00:10:38,690 --> 00:10:41,511 winning the spelling bee in third grade, 184 00:10:41,511 --> 00:10:44,730 cheerleading awards, you know, sports awards, 185 00:10:44,730 --> 00:10:48,220 newspaper, yearbook editor, 186 00:10:48,220 --> 00:10:50,980 going onto college, graduating from college, 187 00:10:50,980 --> 00:10:53,630 getting married, having children. 188 00:10:53,630 --> 00:10:58,630 All of these things were amazing experiences and memories 189 00:10:58,850 --> 00:11:02,530 that I'm living, but there was this theme. 190 00:11:02,530 --> 00:11:07,000 And I have this human reaction of wait a minute, 191 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,703 I haven't seen anything negative. 192 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:16,410 And I know I'm a sinner 'cause I was raised in religion 193 00:11:16,410 --> 00:11:18,570 which I'm thankful for, it was a tool, 194 00:11:18,570 --> 00:11:22,402 I can see and appreciate it for what it was, 195 00:11:22,402 --> 00:11:25,120 but at the same time, I had this huge fear of dying 196 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,370 because I knew I was a sinner 197 00:11:26,370 --> 00:11:27,990 and I knew I was going to go to hell 198 00:11:27,990 --> 00:11:30,510 and I certainly knew I wasn't perfect, 199 00:11:30,510 --> 00:11:32,550 but why wasn't God judging me? 200 00:11:32,550 --> 00:11:35,900 Wasn't that what was supposed to happen? 201 00:11:35,900 --> 00:11:38,930 We get to the end, the day I died 202 00:11:38,930 --> 00:11:41,743 and God still had not judged me. 203 00:11:42,930 --> 00:11:45,039 God had only loved me. 204 00:11:45,039 --> 00:11:47,706 (ominous music) 205 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:55,900 I have this incredible feeling that I'm home 206 00:11:55,900 --> 00:11:57,867 and I never wanted to be parted from God 207 00:11:57,867 --> 00:11:59,150 and this feeling again. 208 00:11:59,150 --> 00:12:02,863 I had never felt this kind of love, unconditional love. 209 00:12:04,850 --> 00:12:09,850 And all of a sudden in front of me appear eyeglasses. 210 00:12:09,850 --> 00:12:13,633 Now, mind you, back then I had perfect vision. 211 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:16,860 But here's this pair of eyeglasses 212 00:12:16,860 --> 00:12:20,403 and they are the size of a small car. 213 00:12:21,330 --> 00:12:24,280 And I'm thinking, there's no way. 214 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,690 I knew that God wanted me to put these eyeglasses on, 215 00:12:27,690 --> 00:12:30,930 but I had the feeling I'm still the size I was on earth 216 00:12:30,930 --> 00:12:32,650 and these glasses are the size of a vehicle. 217 00:12:32,650 --> 00:12:33,940 It's not gonna work. 218 00:12:33,940 --> 00:12:37,960 As soon as I'm thinking that human thought of limitation, 219 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,360 I found myself putting me hands 220 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,910 and picking up the glasses and drawing them near. 221 00:12:42,910 --> 00:12:45,820 And wouldn't you know, as soon as I got them on my face, 222 00:12:45,820 --> 00:12:47,193 they fit perfectly. 223 00:12:48,590 --> 00:12:51,337 And I remember God saying to me, 224 00:12:51,337 --> 00:12:55,603 with God, all things are possible. 225 00:12:56,670 --> 00:12:59,400 And with that, I heard that whirring projector noise 226 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,700 in my ear again like the first time. 227 00:13:01,700 --> 00:13:04,420 Countdown begins, three, two, one. 228 00:13:04,420 --> 00:13:06,080 Life review of Erica McKenzie 229 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,298 and there is me on the screen, a baby again. 230 00:13:09,298 --> 00:13:11,715 (dark music) 231 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,740 I remember how my heart felt like it was pounding 232 00:13:17,740 --> 00:13:21,090 through my chest and I felt like I was losing my breath 233 00:13:21,090 --> 00:13:22,720 because I was starting to panic. 234 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:27,000 I now had the realization I'm having another life review 235 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,980 and I am such a bad sinner, I've messed up so much 236 00:13:29,980 --> 00:13:32,240 that God has to give me a separate life review 237 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,570 just for all the bad things that I had done. 238 00:13:35,570 --> 00:13:39,080 So I'm feeling this panic because, you see, 239 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,370 I have God's glasses on now. 240 00:13:41,370 --> 00:13:45,610 So everything that I started seeing 241 00:13:45,610 --> 00:13:49,930 was not at all that was in the first life review. 242 00:13:49,930 --> 00:13:53,000 The first life review was everything 243 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,110 that mankind deems as important, significant. 244 00:13:57,110 --> 00:13:58,480 But the second life review 245 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,681 was everything that God knows is important. 246 00:14:02,681 --> 00:14:05,098 (dark music) 247 00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:11,500 - Erica meets a supreme being that she refers to as God. 248 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:13,920 She begins to communicate with God. 249 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,250 God shows her a review of her life. 250 00:14:17,250 --> 00:14:19,310 Like a movie, she watches her life play out 251 00:14:19,310 --> 00:14:21,840 from birth 'til death. 252 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,890 She watches all the wonderful moments in her life 253 00:14:24,890 --> 00:14:26,250 and at the end of her life review, 254 00:14:26,250 --> 00:14:29,018 she realizes that she was not judged. 255 00:14:29,018 --> 00:14:32,860 Again, she's overwhelmed with a feeling of love. 256 00:14:32,860 --> 00:14:36,443 But then begins a much different life review. 257 00:14:38,014 --> 00:14:40,681 (ominous music) 258 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:46,730 - Before I went to that space of absolute wellbeing 259 00:14:46,730 --> 00:14:50,763 was a space that was absolutely dark. 260 00:14:52,380 --> 00:14:57,080 I had my eyes open and I only saw darkness. 261 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,450 But right there, when I went to experience 262 00:15:00,450 --> 00:15:05,450 this sense of wellbeing, a light came from the bottom 263 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:11,200 and that light, it was soft but it was enough to illuminate 264 00:15:11,450 --> 00:15:14,850 my whole watery surrounding. 265 00:15:14,850 --> 00:15:17,127 So this was incredible because this is what I call 266 00:15:17,127 --> 00:15:20,640 the silence behind the silence. 267 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:25,640 And later in my life, I crave for this silence. 268 00:15:26,719 --> 00:15:29,386 (ominous music) 269 00:15:32,817 --> 00:15:37,817 Being in this atmosphere of silence and light, 270 00:15:40,020 --> 00:15:43,573 suddenly I started to see bubbles suspended in the water. 271 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,400 These bubbles were surrounded by light 272 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,450 and I started to chase these bubbles. 273 00:15:53,450 --> 00:15:57,750 And it was chasing these bubbles that I turn around 274 00:15:57,750 --> 00:16:01,577 and that's when I saw a body suspended in the water. 275 00:16:01,577 --> 00:16:04,077 (eerie music) 276 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:11,360 And right there I knew that this was my body. 277 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,463 And amazingly, I didn't feel fearful. 278 00:16:21,690 --> 00:16:25,350 I did not feel even surprised. 279 00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:28,711 It was a sense of familiarity. 280 00:16:28,711 --> 00:16:30,298 It was the sense of, like, 281 00:16:30,298 --> 00:16:34,923 (gasping) this already happened to me before. 282 00:16:40,220 --> 00:16:43,833 I turn around and I started to see flowers. 283 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,643 They were blooming from nowhere. 284 00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:52,180 These were the most beautiful, beautiful flowers 285 00:16:52,180 --> 00:16:55,420 and the sense of dimension also disappeared 286 00:16:55,420 --> 00:16:59,310 and I was picked up by these flowers. 287 00:16:59,310 --> 00:17:01,440 And I put the analogy that for me, 288 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,750 it was like this sense that you are going back to the womb, 289 00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:10,452 that sense where you don't have to do absolutely anything. 290 00:17:10,452 --> 00:17:12,952 (eerie music) 291 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:19,900 And then again in just a flash, I appear in my mom's path. 292 00:17:21,070 --> 00:17:25,350 And that's when I said, ooh, that's Mom? 293 00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:28,260 And right there, she is stopped. 294 00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:34,220 She did not hesitate, she did not give another step, 295 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:35,703 she just stopped. 296 00:17:36,730 --> 00:17:41,580 She knew immediately that something was happening at home. 297 00:17:42,871 --> 00:17:45,371 (eerie music) 298 00:17:48,580 --> 00:17:50,300 My mom is incredible 299 00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:53,140 because she has always been so intuitive 300 00:17:53,140 --> 00:17:56,123 and she listened to her intuition. 301 00:17:57,070 --> 00:18:02,070 And she just decided to turn and started to run back home. 302 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,543 She knew something was happening at home 303 00:18:05,543 --> 00:18:08,103 with one of her babies and she just run. 304 00:18:10,090 --> 00:18:12,403 I looked at her and I was like, ooh. 305 00:18:14,634 --> 00:18:16,992 But I got distracted at that moment. 306 00:18:16,992 --> 00:18:21,673 The realization that wherever I put my mind, I could go. 307 00:18:23,010 --> 00:18:26,050 So if I would see a dog at the end of the street, 308 00:18:26,050 --> 00:18:26,890 I would be there. 309 00:18:26,890 --> 00:18:28,650 If I would see a tree, people. 310 00:18:28,650 --> 00:18:31,670 So it was like, (gasping) now I was having fun 311 00:18:31,670 --> 00:18:33,560 playing a game of going places. 312 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,520 For me, time and space had vanished 313 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,963 and I could be anywhere at any time. 314 00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:45,973 And right there, again, just like a flash, 315 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,880 I appear in a realm 316 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,880 that was made of pure, bright, intense, shiny light. 317 00:18:55,220 --> 00:19:00,220 And Craig, for the first three years of my life, 318 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:05,560 this was the first time that I felt that I was home. 319 00:19:06,874 --> 00:19:10,690 (bright, reverent music) 320 00:19:10,690 --> 00:19:13,100 Of course there's no five senses anymore 321 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:15,100 like in the human body. 322 00:19:15,100 --> 00:19:18,800 So everything turns more into 323 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,763 what I would describe as a knowing. 324 00:19:23,030 --> 00:19:26,087 Instead of going with the five senses, 325 00:19:26,087 --> 00:19:29,750 I would just call this the spiritual sense, 326 00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:32,170 is the knowing, experiencing things 327 00:19:32,170 --> 00:19:34,163 at a higher, higher level. 328 00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:42,410 In this realm of the light, 329 00:19:42,410 --> 00:19:47,410 I didn't really see anybody or hear anybody. 330 00:19:51,815 --> 00:19:53,860 But I felt so welcome. 331 00:19:55,155 --> 00:19:59,450 (groans) I just felt like I was home. 332 00:19:59,450 --> 00:20:03,070 And it was again the sense that no time had happened. 333 00:20:03,070 --> 00:20:04,920 No three years had passed. 334 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,920 It's like, oh, I was just out and now I'm back. 335 00:20:12,050 --> 00:20:14,123 Again, it was this sense of familiarity. 336 00:20:15,950 --> 00:20:20,020 And then although I saw my body suspended in the water, 337 00:20:20,020 --> 00:20:25,020 up to this point, I did not have the realization 338 00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:31,390 that I was not in it, that I was not that persona. 339 00:20:33,060 --> 00:20:38,060 And this was the moment when I realized I am not that. 340 00:20:41,420 --> 00:20:46,420 And I saw myself, I realized myself as a being of light. 341 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,030 (reverent music) 342 00:20:53,503 --> 00:20:56,110 And this is when I started to have the sense 343 00:20:56,110 --> 00:20:59,790 of pretty much dissolving with the whole, 344 00:20:59,790 --> 00:21:01,893 becoming part of the whole. 345 00:21:02,780 --> 00:21:07,730 And this went even farther because I experienced 346 00:21:07,730 --> 00:21:11,003 what I call the sense of non-self. 347 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,850 It's that place where I was experiencing 348 00:21:16,850 --> 00:21:21,850 just pure consciousness and just absolute presence. 349 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,820 Some people feel afraid about the world, nothingness, 350 00:21:26,820 --> 00:21:30,470 but I said, no, it's the nothingness 351 00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:33,343 that encompasses everything. 352 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:38,130 - Ingrid emerges from that silent darkness. 353 00:21:38,130 --> 00:21:41,550 She then begins to see bubbles of light around her. 354 00:21:41,550 --> 00:21:43,040 She felt detached from the body 355 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,690 floating beside her in the water. 356 00:21:45,540 --> 00:21:48,663 She then remembered this as though it had already happened. 357 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,040 She then was immersed in beautiful flowers. 358 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,330 Ingrid then connects with her mother out on that path. 359 00:21:56,330 --> 00:21:58,710 She then travels to a realm of light 360 00:21:58,710 --> 00:22:01,610 and felt as though she was back home. 361 00:22:01,610 --> 00:22:05,627 She no longer felt attached to the persona of Ingrid. 362 00:22:08,136 --> 00:22:10,636 (eerie music) 363 00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:16,540 - Life review of Erica McKenzie 364 00:22:16,540 --> 00:22:19,700 and there's me on the screen, a baby again. 365 00:22:19,700 --> 00:22:22,263 I didn't even remember most of these things. 366 00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:25,030 Things like when I was little, 367 00:22:25,030 --> 00:22:26,010 I was sitting on the lap 368 00:22:26,010 --> 00:22:27,800 in the rest home of this elderly woman 369 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,420 and I was brushing her hair 370 00:22:29,420 --> 00:22:31,920 and I was singing "Jesus Loves Me." 371 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,690 And there was this love energy exchange 372 00:22:34,690 --> 00:22:36,910 between she and I, this gift. 373 00:22:36,910 --> 00:22:40,350 Then there was, I was helping like a homeless person. 374 00:22:40,350 --> 00:22:43,930 I didn't have any money, but I gave my last two dollars 375 00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:46,380 to this homeless person so they'd have something. 376 00:22:46,380 --> 00:22:50,510 Rescuing animals that, you know, were abused. 377 00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:53,660 Listening to a friend or even a stranger 378 00:22:53,660 --> 00:22:56,220 who just needed somebody to listen 379 00:22:56,220 --> 00:22:58,460 to what they were going through. 380 00:22:58,460 --> 00:23:02,300 There was a theme to all of these things I began to see 381 00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:06,970 as I was living each day like it was a human day. 382 00:23:06,970 --> 00:23:09,510 I was living through everything 383 00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:13,453 and getting closer to 31 years, the day I died. 384 00:23:14,444 --> 00:23:17,690 I'm sitting here thinking, okay. 385 00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:21,370 All of these things involve love. 386 00:23:21,370 --> 00:23:23,740 Love was the answer. 387 00:23:23,740 --> 00:23:26,233 There was no judgment present. 388 00:23:27,390 --> 00:23:31,963 God did not judge me again, the second life review. 389 00:23:33,370 --> 00:23:35,603 But love was the answer. 390 00:23:36,890 --> 00:23:40,180 It is the only thing that was important 391 00:23:40,180 --> 00:23:42,363 all through the second life review. 392 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,870 And we get to the very end 393 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:51,760 and God filled me this time with more unconditional love 394 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,690 with no judgment present 395 00:23:54,690 --> 00:23:57,640 than I had been filled with at this point. 396 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,560 I thought I couldn't take anymore of the love. 397 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,470 That's how great it was. 398 00:24:01,470 --> 00:24:03,760 I really thought I was gonna burst. 399 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,513 It was so incredible. 400 00:24:07,390 --> 00:24:11,460 I'm not judged, I'm now definitely not going home 401 00:24:11,460 --> 00:24:14,320 because I can't be separated from this. 402 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,220 It felt like my natural life source, my God source, 403 00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:21,433 and there was nowhere I wanted to be. 404 00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:24,540 But the lessons continued 405 00:24:24,540 --> 00:24:27,373 and God told me to look to my right. 406 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,470 And this is when the lesson of the rippling effect happened. 407 00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:37,470 This is the only time that I saw God in any physical form 408 00:24:38,660 --> 00:24:43,500 that I was allowed to be able to visualize with my eyes. 409 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:47,200 And I remember looking and it was God's fingertips 410 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,770 all the way up to His shoulder. 411 00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:51,300 And the best way I can describe it, 412 00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:54,120 it was about as big as, like, a semi truck. 413 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:57,550 And I remember His arm and watching. 414 00:24:57,550 --> 00:24:59,950 And His arm swung up high. 415 00:24:59,950 --> 00:25:01,200 And I remember looking up 416 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,940 and I could not see the top of His fingertips. 417 00:25:03,940 --> 00:25:06,580 It went past up into the stars. 418 00:25:06,580 --> 00:25:08,910 And I remember watching and waiting 419 00:25:08,910 --> 00:25:12,380 and all of a sudden, God put the palm of His hand down 420 00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:16,309 and appeared in the palm of His hand a huge rock. 421 00:25:16,309 --> 00:25:18,809 (eerie music) 422 00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:25,550 You are the rock, you are the light, 423 00:25:25,550 --> 00:25:30,550 the light is of Me and I am with you. 424 00:25:30,750 --> 00:25:33,910 And as He said that, He let go of the rock 425 00:25:33,910 --> 00:25:36,473 and we watched the rock begin to fall together. 426 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,730 And it seemed like it took such a long time 427 00:25:39,730 --> 00:25:43,750 and as we're watching this rock fall, 428 00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:46,990 I'm thinking, okay, I need to remember, 429 00:25:46,990 --> 00:25:49,270 I am the rock, I am the light, 430 00:25:49,270 --> 00:25:52,380 but the light is of God and God is with me. 431 00:25:52,380 --> 00:25:55,650 And as I said that to myself, 432 00:25:55,650 --> 00:25:59,170 appeared out in front of me the largest body of water. 433 00:25:59,170 --> 00:26:01,763 I could not even see the borders of the water. 434 00:26:02,660 --> 00:26:06,103 And I watched as this rock got closer to the water 435 00:26:06,103 --> 00:26:11,103 and finally it made one big impact 436 00:26:11,540 --> 00:26:15,103 that set off one ripple. 437 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,730 And we stood together and we watched as that ripple, 438 00:26:18,730 --> 00:26:20,730 it grew and it grew and it grew and it grew 439 00:26:20,730 --> 00:26:24,030 'til I couldn't even see the border of that single ripple. 440 00:26:24,030 --> 00:26:27,410 And God said to me, mankind is the water. 441 00:26:27,410 --> 00:26:28,693 You are the ripple. 442 00:26:35,940 --> 00:26:40,940 I couldn't even wrap my head around the magnitude 443 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:47,080 of the message that God was trying to teach me at this time. 444 00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:52,730 God said, you are the ripple. 445 00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:57,547 Your thoughts, words and actions will effect mankind 446 00:26:58,790 --> 00:27:00,768 as the ripple does the water. 447 00:27:00,768 --> 00:27:03,230 (ominous music) 448 00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:07,100 And I remember thinking over and over again 449 00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:08,640 about that lesson 450 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,640 and watching how significant that single ripple was, 451 00:27:15,670 --> 00:27:18,060 how much impact it had. 452 00:27:18,060 --> 00:27:20,897 And knowing that that rock had caused it 453 00:27:20,897 --> 00:27:25,897 and that rock had a light and that light, it came from God 454 00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:28,913 and it was the energy life force. 455 00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:34,820 I realized in that moment that it wasn't just about me. 456 00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:36,170 It was about each of us. 457 00:27:36,170 --> 00:27:40,810 Each of us are the rock, each of us have that light, 458 00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:42,743 the light is from our Creator. 459 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,543 It's up to us if we choose to shine that light or not. 460 00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:55,730 I didn't think I could handle anything else. 461 00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:57,910 I mean, this was so much information. 462 00:27:57,910 --> 00:28:01,723 It was really important for me to remember it. 463 00:28:01,723 --> 00:28:04,010 And I thought we were done, 464 00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:07,020 but then God said to me, look again. 465 00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:08,636 So I had to look to my right again. 466 00:28:08,636 --> 00:28:13,636 And in front of me this time were these shelves, 467 00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:15,267 like bookshelves. 468 00:28:15,267 --> 00:28:19,680 And the shelves kept on going past stars and galaxies. 469 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,370 And I remember looking behind me 470 00:28:21,370 --> 00:28:23,870 and the shelves kept on going. 471 00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:25,900 And all of a sudden appeared gifts, 472 00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:27,770 presents like at Christmas time, 473 00:28:27,770 --> 00:28:30,790 and not one gift looked the same, not one. 474 00:28:30,790 --> 00:28:34,760 And God said to me, when you're born, 475 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,273 I give each and every one of you gifts. 476 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:41,620 I have more gifts for all of you 477 00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:46,140 and all you have to do to get those gifts is ask, 478 00:28:46,140 --> 00:28:49,207 but then be quiet and listen. 479 00:28:49,207 --> 00:28:51,030 (reverent music) 480 00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:53,890 - Erica sees a much different life review. 481 00:28:53,890 --> 00:28:56,460 This review is centered around moments 482 00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:59,310 where she expressed love to strangers. 483 00:28:59,310 --> 00:29:02,253 She realized again that she was not judged by God. 484 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,790 Then she saw God's arm raise up into the sky 485 00:29:06,790 --> 00:29:09,560 and in God's palm was a rock. 486 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,873 God tells her that she was the rock. 487 00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:16,233 She watched Him drop the rock into the large body of water. 488 00:29:17,380 --> 00:29:21,010 The rock set off one ripple that grew out forever. 489 00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:24,080 He tells her that the words and actions are the ripple 490 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,703 that will effect mankind. 491 00:29:27,257 --> 00:29:29,924 (ominous music) 492 00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:39,370 - And when I was experiencing this state of being, 493 00:29:39,370 --> 00:29:42,772 my mom finally made it home. 494 00:29:42,772 --> 00:29:44,910 (swings squealing) 495 00:29:44,910 --> 00:29:47,850 So when my sister saw my mom, 496 00:29:47,850 --> 00:29:52,033 she said, Ingrid is there and I cannot get her. 497 00:29:53,008 --> 00:29:55,920 This is another amazing thing, 498 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,160 these are the synchronicities in life. 499 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,160 My mom was a teacher and she was trained CPR for children, 500 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,610 so she knew exactly what to do. 501 00:30:08,610 --> 00:30:12,216 This is how life is so incredible 502 00:30:12,216 --> 00:30:15,390 and it's when we realize 503 00:30:15,390 --> 00:30:18,027 that everything is meant to be the way it is. 504 00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:23,870 So my mom went into the tank and she pulled me out. 505 00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:26,340 She said I was like a raggedy doll. 506 00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:28,860 She said that I didn't have, there was no pulse, 507 00:30:28,860 --> 00:30:30,100 I wasn't breathing, 508 00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:35,060 that my entire body was no absolute color, 509 00:30:35,060 --> 00:30:36,859 my lips were blue. 510 00:30:36,859 --> 00:30:41,280 And she started to do what she knew to revive me. 511 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,190 And at that moment, Craig, I was so disconnected, 512 00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:48,860 so detached from this dimension, from this body, 513 00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:53,120 from this reality, that I did not feel absolutely anything 514 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,453 that she was doing to me. 515 00:30:55,685 --> 00:31:00,170 I just was in my space of bliss 516 00:31:00,170 --> 00:31:04,630 when I fell again in just a flash, 517 00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:06,270 there's nothing I could do. 518 00:31:06,270 --> 00:31:10,151 I was just falling and I felt this sense 519 00:31:10,151 --> 00:31:13,503 that I was being vacuum pulled back into the body. 520 00:31:14,342 --> 00:31:17,260 (ominous music) 521 00:31:17,260 --> 00:31:19,450 And I knew I was back when all of the feelings 522 00:31:19,450 --> 00:31:21,799 of coldness and discomfort, 523 00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:25,810 feeling the lack of freedom, were back. 524 00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:29,143 And let me tell you, Craig, I was not a happy person. 525 00:31:31,876 --> 00:31:34,230 - Ingrid's mother was rushing back home. 526 00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:36,280 We learned that Ingrid's mother was a schoolteacher 527 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,110 that just happened to be trained in CPR. 528 00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:42,163 Ingrid believes that these are the synchronicities of life. 529 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,490 It was as though her mother was trained for this very moment 530 00:31:45,490 --> 00:31:46,443 to save her child. 531 00:31:47,310 --> 00:31:49,330 And after learning that Ingrid was under the water, 532 00:31:49,330 --> 00:31:51,540 she quickly jumped in after her. 533 00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:54,260 Her mother managed to get Ingrid out of the water, 534 00:31:54,260 --> 00:31:58,030 but at this point Ingrid was already blue and had no pulse. 535 00:31:58,030 --> 00:32:02,160 Ingrid was completely unaware that her mother had begun CPR. 536 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:02,993 Then in a flash, 537 00:32:02,993 --> 00:32:06,010 Ingrid was falling back to earth into her body. 538 00:32:06,010 --> 00:32:08,380 Ingrid was back to feeling that lack of freedom 539 00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:10,920 that she had just experienced. 540 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,543 Ingrid was not happy to be back in her body. 541 00:32:15,615 --> 00:32:18,115 (eerie music) 542 00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:26,020 - At this point God directed me to look to my left and down. 543 00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:30,380 And I looked down and it was almost as if 544 00:32:30,380 --> 00:32:32,950 it was always in front of me, but I had never noticed it 545 00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:35,720 until that moment when God asked me to look. 546 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,463 And there was planet Earth. 547 00:32:38,780 --> 00:32:41,540 And we were a significant distance away 548 00:32:41,540 --> 00:32:44,280 and yet I had the ability to see. 549 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,300 I could see my family, where they were at, 550 00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:48,400 my children, what they were doing. 551 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,940 And that's when I had this knowing that yes, I'm a mom, 552 00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:52,773 my kids are little. 553 00:32:52,773 --> 00:32:55,490 Yes, technically the human side says they need me, 554 00:32:55,490 --> 00:32:56,720 I need to go back. 555 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,280 But I was flooded with the knowledge and the wisdom 556 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,940 that we're never separated. 557 00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:04,760 There is a bridge between heaven and earth 558 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,343 and we will always be with our loved ones. 559 00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:13,650 The physical is so limiting and there's so much more. 560 00:33:13,650 --> 00:33:17,250 And having this feeling, it was incredible 561 00:33:17,250 --> 00:33:18,710 and it just solidified 562 00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:20,540 that I knew I wasn't going to go back. 563 00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:22,033 I wanted to stay. 564 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,020 This was the first and only time 565 00:33:29,020 --> 00:33:31,900 I felt this incredible amount of sadness 566 00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:33,613 and it was coming from God. 567 00:33:34,819 --> 00:33:38,030 The best way I can try to put human words 568 00:33:38,030 --> 00:33:41,090 to the magnitude of sadness that God was feeling 569 00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:44,767 was I haven't lost a child, but I can imagine-- 570 00:33:46,580 --> 00:33:47,413 Sorry. 571 00:33:50,660 --> 00:33:52,650 My children, the most important thing to me, 572 00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:55,640 and this feeling of this tremendous amount of sadness 573 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,313 from God was like losing a child, 574 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,370 but times millions of children at once. 575 00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:08,010 The loss was that deep. 576 00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:11,610 I said to God, Your children are okay, it's okay. 577 00:34:11,610 --> 00:34:13,150 Look, why are You sad? 578 00:34:13,150 --> 00:34:16,837 As if I were the expert telling God to look on the planet 579 00:34:16,837 --> 00:34:18,863 to see His children were okay. 580 00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:24,100 And as I said that, I go to look with God 581 00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:27,370 and I see something I hadn't seen yet. 582 00:34:27,370 --> 00:34:29,550 Something was flickering off the planet. 583 00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:34,220 And so I remember trying to focus my vision more. 584 00:34:34,220 --> 00:34:37,533 And as soon as I did that I could see that they were flames. 585 00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:41,793 And there was flames engulfing the planet. 586 00:34:43,020 --> 00:34:47,950 I started having this tremendous panic attack 587 00:34:47,950 --> 00:34:49,880 because the first thing I thought of is, 588 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,510 my children are down there, my family, 589 00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:52,610 my loved ones are down there. 590 00:34:52,610 --> 00:34:54,419 God, help, what's happening? 591 00:34:54,419 --> 00:34:56,840 And as soon as I'm thinking this thought, 592 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,500 appeared in front of me those glasses again. 593 00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:03,400 And I knew from the first time, 594 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,910 I didn't have a choice to put the glasses on 595 00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:06,080 when they appeared. 596 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,720 And so I remember thinking, 597 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:10,420 I can't handle seeing more than what I'm seeing. 598 00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:11,350 And it didn't matter, 599 00:35:11,350 --> 00:35:13,520 as soon as I'm thinking that human thought, 600 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,610 I felt my hands reaching for the glasses. 601 00:35:15,610 --> 00:35:19,010 I drawed them on my face once more and then I had to look. 602 00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:22,620 And I looked and this time with God's glasses on 603 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:27,050 what I saw was between the flames shooting off the earth, 604 00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:32,050 these silvery white almost luminescent life force souls. 605 00:35:34,930 --> 00:35:37,510 And they were lifting off unscathed 606 00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:40,750 in between the flames from planet earth. 607 00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:44,160 They were coming up behind us on my left 608 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,960 and into planet heaven which I knew was behind me. 609 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,960 And as they would go by, I could feel the love energy 610 00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:54,340 that propelled them. 611 00:35:54,340 --> 00:35:56,210 It was the fuel. 612 00:35:56,210 --> 00:36:01,010 And I remember God still having that sadness feeling. 613 00:36:01,010 --> 00:36:02,000 It wasn't lifted. 614 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,290 And here I was relieved 615 00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:06,470 because I could feel people that I knew, my loved ones, 616 00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:09,250 going past me and I knew it was heaven behind me 617 00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:10,720 and I knew that's where I wanted to be 618 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:11,910 and that's where the love was. 619 00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:15,540 So I said, God, it's okay, it's okay, look again. 620 00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:20,540 And that's when God said to me, Erica, it's free will. 621 00:36:20,890 --> 00:36:22,960 And I said, what do you mean it's free will? 622 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,320 They're coming in. 623 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,810 And God said, look. 624 00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:31,810 I looked again and this time I saw past all the flames 625 00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:37,100 and the souls lifting off 626 00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:40,000 and I saw the core of the earth on the ground 627 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,333 the souls that were not lifting off. 628 00:36:43,333 --> 00:36:46,000 (ominous music) 629 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,490 I remember panicking and asking God, 630 00:36:50,490 --> 00:36:51,510 why can't you save them? 631 00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:54,090 Save them, can't you save them, too? 632 00:36:54,090 --> 00:36:57,960 And God said to me, Erica, it's free will. 633 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,620 Hand in hand with the gift of life, I give free will. 634 00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:06,870 And I understood that this meant that God loved 635 00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:10,770 not some of us but each and every one of us so much 636 00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:13,890 that it was the greatest gift paired with life 637 00:37:13,890 --> 00:37:17,370 to choose to let us choose 638 00:37:17,370 --> 00:37:21,603 if we wanted to have that love connection with our Creator. 639 00:37:23,410 --> 00:37:26,410 As a parent you think you know what's best for your children 640 00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:30,180 and we are God's children, 641 00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:33,190 but yet God loved us so much 642 00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:35,680 that He gave us that gift to choose 643 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,160 and didn't say, you have to love Me, you have to choose Me. 644 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,800 It was choosing love connection. 645 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,770 And the souls that had not lifted off 646 00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:47,623 had chose to not have that love connection. 647 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,610 So the sadness that I was feeling 648 00:37:51,610 --> 00:37:55,723 was for the ones that were left behind. 649 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,760 As soon as we got done seeing that, 650 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,180 I felt my attention directed to, 651 00:38:05,180 --> 00:38:07,260 this was now the first time 652 00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:09,610 that I was going to be able to turn around. 653 00:38:09,610 --> 00:38:12,050 The whole time we had these lessons and in heaven, 654 00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:15,400 I knew that heaven was behind me 655 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,110 but my focus needed to be in front. 656 00:38:19,110 --> 00:38:21,850 So this was the first time I was told I could turn. 657 00:38:21,850 --> 00:38:23,803 And as I turn around, 658 00:38:25,961 --> 00:38:29,060 it's so hard to put into human words 659 00:38:29,060 --> 00:38:32,681 'cause really can't think of anything 660 00:38:32,681 --> 00:38:36,730 that gives it the justice, the magnitude it deserves. 661 00:38:36,730 --> 00:38:41,303 But heaven was a planet. 662 00:38:42,371 --> 00:38:45,121 (reverent music) 663 00:38:52,170 --> 00:38:55,640 And it was so big in comparison to the earth 664 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,943 that the earth is like a speck of dust in size. 665 00:39:01,260 --> 00:39:05,120 As soon as I'm seeing this, I have this natural propulsion 666 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,400 to wanna just start running to heaven 667 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,590 to catch up to the other souls if you will. 668 00:39:10,590 --> 00:39:11,980 They had already gone in. 669 00:39:11,980 --> 00:39:14,650 And I thought the lessons were over. 670 00:39:14,650 --> 00:39:18,170 And the feelings that I had felt that unconditional love 671 00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:20,980 of not having separation with our Creator anymore 672 00:39:20,980 --> 00:39:23,260 and knowing that I was home 673 00:39:23,260 --> 00:39:28,120 I really didn't think it'd be possible to send me back. 674 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,930 So I remember feeling like I was starting to run to heaven 675 00:39:31,930 --> 00:39:33,793 and being frozen in my tracks. 676 00:39:35,490 --> 00:39:37,523 And God said, wait a minute, child. 677 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,650 You're not staying. 678 00:39:40,650 --> 00:39:42,700 You're not staying, child. 679 00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:44,803 You work for Me now, remember? 680 00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:49,950 And I had remembered in those days leading up to my death 681 00:39:49,950 --> 00:39:52,430 that contract that I made with God, 682 00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:54,620 that if God would let me live and help me heal 683 00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:57,153 and get healthy again, I would work for God. 684 00:39:57,153 --> 00:39:58,153 I would do anything. 685 00:39:59,460 --> 00:40:00,840 And God held me to it. 686 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,003 I didn't think He was watching, but He was. 687 00:40:04,590 --> 00:40:07,450 - Erica sees earth from a distance. 688 00:40:07,450 --> 00:40:10,363 She could also see her children and what they were doing. 689 00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:14,090 Erica could feel that connection with her children 690 00:40:14,090 --> 00:40:16,523 even though they were a great distance away. 691 00:40:17,952 --> 00:40:21,650 She then feels a sadness from God. 692 00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:24,723 Erica is now shown earth from a different perspective. 693 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,780 She's shown flames. 694 00:40:27,780 --> 00:40:31,233 She's then able to see earth from yet another perspective. 695 00:40:32,260 --> 00:40:36,300 She watches souls leaving earth and flying past her. 696 00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:39,440 She learns about free will and begins to feel the sadness 697 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,943 for the souls left behind on earth. 698 00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:46,860 Erica is then allowed to see heaven off in the distance. 699 00:40:46,860 --> 00:40:49,863 She's then reminded of a deal that she made with Him. 700 00:40:58,389 --> 00:41:00,020 (light music) 701 00:41:00,020 --> 00:41:02,330 - When I came back, 702 00:41:02,330 --> 00:41:06,717 it was clear that I had an awareness I did not have before. 703 00:41:07,630 --> 00:41:09,450 When I started to see my parents, 704 00:41:09,450 --> 00:41:11,700 I didn't even feel them as my parents. 705 00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:14,203 I felt them as my equal. 706 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:20,240 I also had experienced this sense of oneness 707 00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:24,100 so for me that was a sense of equality 708 00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:26,970 and the other thing I couldn't, 709 00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:28,747 I mean, for me, seeing this body 710 00:41:28,747 --> 00:41:31,670 was this sense, I am not that child. 711 00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:33,830 I couldn't even relate with all the children 712 00:41:33,830 --> 00:41:34,900 because to me it was like, 713 00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:36,490 what is happening with these people? 714 00:41:36,490 --> 00:41:38,283 They don't know anything. 715 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,690 The other thing that I came with abilities 716 00:41:41,690 --> 00:41:42,890 I did not have before. 717 00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:44,870 Right after my near death experience, 718 00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:47,650 I could read, I could write. 719 00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:50,030 I could solve mathematical problems. 720 00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:54,730 I could put together complex puzzles. 721 00:41:54,730 --> 00:41:58,047 So this was something incredible. 722 00:41:58,047 --> 00:42:00,610 And even later in school, 723 00:42:00,610 --> 00:42:03,079 the more these abilities were developing, 724 00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:07,020 to me it was like, whoa, I'm not learning anything. 725 00:42:07,020 --> 00:42:08,710 I don't need to learn anything. 726 00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:10,493 I am just remembering. 727 00:42:17,380 --> 00:42:21,310 There was also abilities for me that at the moment 728 00:42:21,310 --> 00:42:24,360 I didn't know they were something different 729 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,870 because I didn't know the difference with other people. 730 00:42:27,870 --> 00:42:31,273 But later on, I realized that I could see auras. 731 00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:34,560 I could see beings of light. 732 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,650 So I could see things other people couldn't see. 733 00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:39,890 I could see, communicate. 734 00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:44,510 I could also later on in my life when I was six years old 735 00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:47,700 I started to see what we call the spirits. 736 00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:49,380 Since I was four years old, 737 00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:52,530 I started to have visions of the future. 738 00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:54,335 So throughout my life, 739 00:42:54,335 --> 00:42:57,410 I knew which career I was going to pick. 740 00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:59,650 At nine, I knew who I was going to marry. 741 00:42:59,650 --> 00:43:01,940 At 12, the places where I was going to work. 742 00:43:01,940 --> 00:43:06,810 So I could smell things that were not here. 743 00:43:06,810 --> 00:43:11,550 I could see, taste, hear, feel, 744 00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:14,830 so yeah, I had all these abilities. 745 00:43:14,830 --> 00:43:17,743 And through time I discovered other people did not. 746 00:43:18,730 --> 00:43:20,553 I mean, all of us have them, 747 00:43:21,529 --> 00:43:24,410 but through time and conditioning, people lose them 748 00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:27,330 because we're told that it's not true. 749 00:43:27,330 --> 00:43:30,020 But for me, since I was this clean compass 750 00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:33,709 from the beginning, that was the natural state of my being 751 00:43:33,709 --> 00:43:36,201 and it was just through time realizing 752 00:43:36,201 --> 00:43:38,510 all that was done have the manifested like I do 753 00:43:40,460 --> 00:43:44,900 is being present in my life through my entire life, Craig. 754 00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:47,817 (meditative music) 755 00:43:58,150 --> 00:44:02,480 To be free from the fear of death 756 00:44:04,410 --> 00:44:09,410 because I realized that there is not death. 757 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,240 We are eternal beings. 758 00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:21,060 I was so little when I already knew 759 00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:26,060 that I was eternal and that I had come and gone many times, 760 00:44:29,327 --> 00:44:34,327 wore many different costumes. 761 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:39,970 - Ingrid has returned to her three year old body. 762 00:44:39,970 --> 00:44:43,173 She immediately knew that she now had an awareness. 763 00:44:44,090 --> 00:44:47,003 She also felt that her parents were equal to her. 764 00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:50,833 Ingrid no longer felt that she was that child. 765 00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:55,183 She no longer could relate to other children. 766 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,850 She instantly was able to read, write 767 00:44:58,850 --> 00:45:00,893 and solve mathematical problems. 768 00:45:01,770 --> 00:45:05,403 Ingrid describes it as not a learning but a recalling. 769 00:45:06,940 --> 00:45:10,090 Not only were her academic skills advanced, 770 00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:13,293 but these unusual spiritual abilities appeared. 771 00:45:15,172 --> 00:45:17,839 (ominous music) 772 00:45:24,130 --> 00:45:25,650 - And before I could argue my case 773 00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:27,193 to stay with God in heaven 774 00:45:27,193 --> 00:45:29,740 because I couldn't fathom He was sending me back, 775 00:45:29,740 --> 00:45:31,750 I remember feeling like I was pushed 776 00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:34,880 from the top of my head down into that tunnel, 777 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,873 the tunnel that I had come up in to heaven. 778 00:45:37,873 --> 00:45:41,333 But this time, the tunnel was completely different. 779 00:45:42,770 --> 00:45:45,573 This time, the tunnel was completely confining. 780 00:45:48,030 --> 00:45:50,140 And I felt like I only had space 781 00:45:50,140 --> 00:45:51,710 to keep my hands by my sides. 782 00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:53,940 I was standing upright and it was completely dark; 783 00:45:53,940 --> 00:45:55,880 there was no light present. 784 00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,760 And I didn't feel that love sustaining connection, 785 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,200 that energy force, that life force, 786 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,910 like I did when I was coming up. 787 00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:07,174 It was empty and I felt alone for the first time 788 00:46:07,174 --> 00:46:09,412 in this whole experience. 789 00:46:09,412 --> 00:46:11,912 (eerie music) 790 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,160 I started slowing down in the tunnel 791 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,820 and I remember thinking, okay, I can't see anything. 792 00:46:23,820 --> 00:46:25,430 That's one of my senses. 793 00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:27,820 I can't feel anything 'cause I can't move. 794 00:46:27,820 --> 00:46:30,513 I'm stuck and I'm coming to a stop. 795 00:46:31,940 --> 00:46:34,800 And it was like this paralyzing panic. 796 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,500 And all of a sudden, I have that realization, 797 00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:40,350 I hear this buzzing noise. 798 00:46:40,350 --> 00:46:43,373 It sounded like white noise like on a TV screen. 799 00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:46,460 And I thought, okay, this is the only sense I have. 800 00:46:46,460 --> 00:46:49,100 I'm going to try to pay attention and get help. 801 00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:52,720 I'm stuck somewhere and I need to get back down to earth 802 00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:54,130 'cause God said I have this mission. 803 00:46:54,130 --> 00:46:54,963 I gotta get down there. 804 00:46:54,963 --> 00:46:56,320 I have no idea where I'm at. 805 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,150 And I remember paying attention 806 00:46:59,150 --> 00:47:02,090 and as I started paying attention to that buzzing noise, 807 00:47:02,090 --> 00:47:03,650 it started getting louder and louder. 808 00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:06,850 And as it got louder, it started pulling me 809 00:47:06,850 --> 00:47:08,550 out of the tunnel. 810 00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:11,420 And I went from standing up out of the tunnel 811 00:47:11,420 --> 00:47:14,410 to flat on my back with my hands at my side 812 00:47:14,410 --> 00:47:16,710 and I remember floating to some distance. 813 00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:18,850 It's still completely dark, I can't see anything, 814 00:47:18,850 --> 00:47:20,260 there's no stars, nothing. 815 00:47:20,260 --> 00:47:23,010 And then I come to a stop and I'm hovering. 816 00:47:23,010 --> 00:47:25,482 And as I'm hovering, that buzzing noise 817 00:47:25,482 --> 00:47:28,580 starts turning to this muffled (garbling) 818 00:47:28,580 --> 00:47:33,580 like garbled murmur times hundreds and hundreds of people. 819 00:47:34,033 --> 00:47:36,450 (dark music) 820 00:47:40,850 --> 00:47:44,020 Negativity, there was loathing, self-loathing, 821 00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:45,963 there was anger, there was hatred. 822 00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:51,970 There was so much energy draining feeling 823 00:47:53,103 --> 00:47:58,103 that I felt if I listened, if I was around this conversation 824 00:47:58,210 --> 00:48:02,107 any longer that I would start getting sucked into it 825 00:48:02,107 --> 00:48:04,430 and my life force would be drained. 826 00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:07,610 And as soon as I had that feeling, I was panicking 827 00:48:07,610 --> 00:48:11,690 because I didn't feel God in this whole experience. 828 00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:13,713 As soon as I had that feeling, 829 00:48:14,670 --> 00:48:17,100 all I could do is cry out to God. 830 00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:19,420 It was a telepathic communication again 831 00:48:19,420 --> 00:48:22,740 and I remember saying, God help me, I love You. 832 00:48:22,740 --> 00:48:24,370 I didn't understand what was going on, 833 00:48:24,370 --> 00:48:25,510 especially after everything 834 00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:27,760 that had just happened to me in heaven. 835 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,260 As soon as I cried out 836 00:48:29,260 --> 00:48:34,260 and I made that love heartfelt connection to God, 837 00:48:34,330 --> 00:48:37,510 my light turned on in me 838 00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:39,600 and I was the only light in the whole place. 839 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,770 And as it illuminated everything, I could see below me, 840 00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:46,270 I was just hovering within inches of all these people. 841 00:48:46,270 --> 00:48:48,680 And they were miserable in this pit. 842 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,387 And they could see me and they started grabbing at me. 843 00:48:51,387 --> 00:48:54,750 And I remember feeling all the detail, like their fingers. 844 00:48:54,750 --> 00:48:56,470 There was big hands, there were small hands, 845 00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:58,440 there were strong hands, weak. 846 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,793 And I could feel them grabbing on trying to pull me down. 847 00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:05,350 I panicked and all I could do is cry out to God. 848 00:49:05,350 --> 00:49:07,760 God, help me, I love You, please help me. 849 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,995 And I felt like if I would have spent another moment there, 850 00:49:10,995 --> 00:49:13,988 all my life force would've been drained out. 851 00:49:13,988 --> 00:49:16,655 (ominous music) 852 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,740 I was in the edge of hell. 853 00:49:21,740 --> 00:49:26,000 And so for the rest of the time which felt like forever 854 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,440 getting back down to planet earth, 855 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,500 I spent having this communication with God. 856 00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:33,860 I love You, God, thank You so much for loving me. 857 00:49:33,860 --> 00:49:36,900 And it was that force, again that fuel, 858 00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:40,410 that sustained me, that propelled me back down to earth 859 00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:42,270 where I found myself eventually 860 00:49:42,270 --> 00:49:44,000 on the emergency room ceiling 861 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,350 looking down at my lifeless shell of a body 862 00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:50,913 and not wanting to go in but having no choice at this point. 863 00:49:52,761 --> 00:49:55,261 (eerie music) 864 00:49:56,420 --> 00:49:59,010 The next morning I was greeted by my attending physician 865 00:49:59,010 --> 00:50:01,960 and he came in and said, good morning, Mrs. McKenzie, 866 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,950 how are you this morning? 867 00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:05,020 Well, it was so early in the morning 868 00:50:05,020 --> 00:50:07,370 I was still the only person in my room. 869 00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:09,710 And as he came over to the bedside 870 00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:12,510 to start doing the health assessment for me, 871 00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:15,203 I remember reaching for this pink little bedpan. 872 00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:17,800 And I knew I was gonna throw up. 873 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,580 I couldn't even contain it. 874 00:50:19,580 --> 00:50:21,910 And as I'm reaching for it, it was my voice 875 00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:23,400 and it just came out of me. 876 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,353 There was no filter and it was, Doctor, Doctor, oh my gosh, 877 00:50:25,353 --> 00:50:27,150 I have to tell you what happened to me. 878 00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:29,370 I've just been with God, I've been in heaven. 879 00:50:29,370 --> 00:50:31,310 I've had all these lessons, I had life reviews 880 00:50:31,310 --> 00:50:34,097 and I just was trying to tell him what happened. 881 00:50:34,097 --> 00:50:36,323 He was the first person. 882 00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:40,480 And the poor guy, I don't blame him at all, 883 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,480 but I literally watched all the color just left his face. 884 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,720 He didn't even do the health assessment. 885 00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:47,440 I was still trying to talk to him 886 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,090 and he left the room immediately. 887 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,350 A little nurse, she was so sweet. 888 00:50:52,350 --> 00:50:54,810 She came in, she had been charting on me in the hallway. 889 00:50:54,810 --> 00:50:56,470 She shut the door and she came over 890 00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:58,773 and she sat on the bedside and she said, 891 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,350 I just heard everything that you said to that doctor. 892 00:51:04,350 --> 00:51:05,310 And I need to tell you 893 00:51:05,310 --> 00:51:07,970 and I need you to be quiet and listen. 894 00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:10,110 That's a common theme for me. 895 00:51:10,110 --> 00:51:11,730 I was told that so many times 896 00:51:11,730 --> 00:51:13,613 through this entire experience. 897 00:51:15,418 --> 00:51:17,180 (sighing) 898 00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:19,940 I've worked for that doctor for seven years 899 00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:23,390 and I'm so sorry, child, because I believe you. 900 00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:25,440 I know where you've been. 901 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,660 But the first person that you told about your experience 902 00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:31,753 to heaven and with God is an atheist. 903 00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:35,287 (dark music) 904 00:51:38,170 --> 00:51:39,480 When the doctor had returned, 905 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,010 he returned with the nurse later and they medicated me. 906 00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:44,589 And it was determined then 907 00:51:44,589 --> 00:51:49,589 that I probably had had some sort of chemical imbalance 908 00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:53,630 nervous breakdown, a late set of bipolar disorder, 909 00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:58,450 which at 31 years old female is very rare. 910 00:51:58,450 --> 00:52:03,154 And because I shared that experience, 911 00:52:03,154 --> 00:52:06,990 there's this fine line that happened looking back 912 00:52:06,990 --> 00:52:11,240 of the doctor taking that information 913 00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:16,240 and putting his maybe bias feelings 914 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,434 of how he maybe felt about the afterlife 915 00:52:20,434 --> 00:52:23,090 and dismissing it as crazy. 916 00:52:23,090 --> 00:52:25,997 And so I was checked into a psychiatric ward 917 00:52:25,997 --> 00:52:30,997 and medicated at one point up to 12 different medications 918 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,660 for talking about the experience I had. 919 00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:37,820 And I learned really fast that the more I shared 920 00:52:37,820 --> 00:52:40,390 and I felt like it was this safe environment, 921 00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:42,060 the more medications that I was on. 922 00:52:42,060 --> 00:52:44,750 So I learned pretty quickly, it was a learning curve for me 923 00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:47,220 not to talk about this, to deny this experience 924 00:52:47,220 --> 00:52:48,420 so that I could get out. 925 00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:54,120 - Erica was being pushed back to earth. 926 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,070 She then entered a much different tunnel. 927 00:52:57,070 --> 00:53:00,383 This tunnel was dark and left her feeling alone. 928 00:53:01,540 --> 00:53:04,320 She no longer felt that love. 929 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,870 Erica began to hear a white noise. 930 00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:09,900 She then felt a pull to a negative place. 931 00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:13,970 Erica then sees what she calls the sea of souls. 932 00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:17,767 She then feels the draining energy effect of this place. 933 00:53:17,767 --> 00:53:20,893 Out of a state of panic, Erica cries out to God. 934 00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:24,050 Just then, she felt a light within her 935 00:53:24,050 --> 00:53:25,933 illuminate the souls below. 936 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,653 And like that, she was gone from this place. 937 00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:32,500 Now back in her body, 938 00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:35,283 Erica blurts out her story to her doctor, 939 00:53:37,170 --> 00:53:40,653 but she's then medicated and checked into a psych ward. 940 00:53:41,970 --> 00:53:42,996 She learned quickly 941 00:53:42,996 --> 00:53:46,163 of the dangers of talking about her experience. 942 00:53:49,632 --> 00:53:52,049 (dark music) 943 00:53:53,729 --> 00:53:56,865 (orchestral music) 944 00:53:56,865 --> 00:54:00,560 - So I was a 38 year old college professor 945 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,780 and I was an atheist in my teen years 946 00:54:03,780 --> 00:54:06,700 because of all the things that were taking place 947 00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:09,240 in my family and in the culture. 948 00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:13,550 This was back in the 60s, the mid 60s. 949 00:54:13,550 --> 00:54:16,850 It just made no sense to go to church. 950 00:54:16,850 --> 00:54:18,710 Church was boring. 951 00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:21,500 It was silly, it was archaic. 952 00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:25,740 I became a modern person, someone who believed in science. 953 00:54:25,740 --> 00:54:30,220 If you can see it, touch it and measure it, it's real. 954 00:54:30,220 --> 00:54:33,440 And if you can't, it's superstition, 955 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,730 it's nonsense, it's silly. 956 00:54:35,730 --> 00:54:39,260 And by the time I was 17 and went to college 957 00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:41,380 and took a philosophy class from an atheist, 958 00:54:41,380 --> 00:54:44,846 I had become a full-blown atheist. 959 00:54:44,846 --> 00:54:46,440 And I was interested in my career, 960 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,930 I was interested in my own gratification of my pleasures 961 00:54:50,930 --> 00:54:54,564 and I didn't really care that much about other people. 962 00:54:54,564 --> 00:54:56,981 (dark music) 963 00:55:00,183 --> 00:55:01,320 It was the most acute pain 964 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,950 I had ever experienced in my life. 965 00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:05,230 I had been in accidents, I've been hospitalized before, 966 00:55:05,230 --> 00:55:07,610 but this was way over the top. 967 00:55:07,610 --> 00:55:10,390 When it hit, I thought I'd been shot by a bullet 968 00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:12,640 in the center of my abdomen. 969 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,260 It dropped me to the ground, 970 00:55:14,260 --> 00:55:17,360 thrashing, screaming, hollering and in terror 971 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,259 because I didn't know what was going on. 972 00:55:19,259 --> 00:55:24,050 My wife called the desk at the hotel 973 00:55:24,050 --> 00:55:25,640 and they called an emergency service. 974 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,050 A very nice doctor came, got me up off the floor, 975 00:55:28,050 --> 00:55:29,320 examined me and within minutes 976 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,480 he knew exactly what was wrong. 977 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,030 He told me that I had to have surgery immediately 978 00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:34,480 or I would die. 979 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:35,430 I was parked in a room. 980 00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:37,683 Unfortunately, there was no doctor available 981 00:55:37,683 --> 00:55:39,610 because it was a Saturday. 982 00:55:39,610 --> 00:55:40,790 No surgeon available. 983 00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:43,120 So I was never under the care of a doctor. 984 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,793 I was given no medication whatsoever. 985 00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:48,670 And I was left that way for 10 hours. 986 00:55:48,670 --> 00:55:51,540 The pain went from I thought the top of my head 987 00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:53,260 was gonna blow off because of the pain. 988 00:55:53,260 --> 00:55:55,912 It was incredibly difficult to believe. 989 00:55:55,912 --> 00:55:59,180 (suspenseful music) 990 00:55:59,180 --> 00:56:01,020 To worse and worse and worse 991 00:56:01,020 --> 00:56:05,320 because the hydrochloric acid and digestive juices 992 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,610 and enzymes and bacteria and all that good stuff 993 00:56:07,610 --> 00:56:11,679 that dissolves your food was now dissolving me 994 00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:14,420 and it went from my groin up to my neck. 995 00:56:14,420 --> 00:56:16,770 So it was just like a wall of pain. 996 00:56:16,770 --> 00:56:18,330 I couldn't talk, I couldn't think, 997 00:56:18,330 --> 00:56:19,390 I couldn't do anything 998 00:56:19,390 --> 00:56:21,980 except I was very focused on breathing 999 00:56:21,980 --> 00:56:23,822 because I was terrified of dying 1000 00:56:23,822 --> 00:56:26,240 'cause I knew that when you died, it was all over. 1001 00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:27,514 I was 38 years old. 1002 00:56:27,514 --> 00:56:29,608 Things were going pretty well for me 1003 00:56:29,608 --> 00:56:31,630 and I didn't want to die. 1004 00:56:31,630 --> 00:56:33,490 And I kept wondering, this can't be happening, 1005 00:56:33,490 --> 00:56:34,420 this can't be real. 1006 00:56:34,420 --> 00:56:36,923 This just, why is this happening to me? 1007 00:56:37,953 --> 00:56:40,370 (dark music) 1008 00:56:44,830 --> 00:56:48,350 Very upsetting was I noticed that in the bed I had occupied 1009 00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:51,450 was a piece of meat 1010 00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:56,450 and when I looked at the face of that dead piece of meat, 1011 00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:59,763 it looked exactly like me. 1012 00:57:01,252 --> 00:57:05,270 But being a rational human being, I knew that it wasn't me 1013 00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:06,880 because I was standing there looking at it 1014 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,380 and you can't be standing over yourself looking at yourself. 1015 00:57:10,380 --> 00:57:11,293 That's impossible. 1016 00:57:13,070 --> 00:57:14,350 But it was very confusing 1017 00:57:14,350 --> 00:57:18,120 because I knew that that thing had been me but it wasn't me 1018 00:57:19,130 --> 00:57:20,360 and yet I was more alive 1019 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,123 than I've ever been in my whole life. 1020 00:57:22,986 --> 00:57:25,653 (ominous music) 1021 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:29,763 I died. 1022 00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:35,450 And because I didn't have any theological background at all 1023 00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:38,213 or religious background at all as an adult, 1024 00:57:39,232 --> 00:57:43,250 I thought that I'd gone down the sewer pipe of the universe 1025 00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:45,922 into the cesspool. 1026 00:57:45,922 --> 00:57:48,589 (intense music) 1027 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,100 And that I was being processed into becoming 1028 00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:58,173 the raw sewage stuff these other people had become. 1029 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,670 That's when I knew that I wasn't coming back 1030 00:58:02,670 --> 00:58:04,523 to this world ever again. 1031 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,110 - Howard was a college professor who believed in atheism. 1032 00:58:11,110 --> 00:58:14,113 According to Howard, religion was a waste of time. 1033 00:58:15,230 --> 00:58:17,398 Howard also cared less about others. 1034 00:58:17,398 --> 00:58:19,630 And while visiting in Paris, 1035 00:58:19,630 --> 00:58:21,493 Howard dropped to his knees in pain. 1036 00:58:22,450 --> 00:58:25,610 He needed surgery or he would die. 1037 00:58:25,610 --> 00:58:29,133 With no surgeons available, Howard was left in a room. 1038 00:58:30,380 --> 00:58:33,303 Oddly, Howard found himself looking down at his body. 1039 00:58:34,410 --> 00:58:37,403 Next, Howard was being pulled out of his room. 1040 00:58:38,310 --> 00:58:40,570 He then realized he was going down 1041 00:58:40,570 --> 00:58:42,623 into the cesspool of earth. 1042 00:58:44,180 --> 00:58:48,290 Howard realized that he was being processed into hell 1043 00:58:48,290 --> 00:58:50,163 and he knew he wasn't coming back. 1044 00:58:52,244 --> 00:58:54,911 (ominous music) 1045 00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,830 - When I was a senior in college at the University of Texas, 1046 00:59:02,830 --> 00:59:05,227 I had a head-on collision. 1047 00:59:05,227 --> 00:59:08,440 (glass shattering) 1048 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,600 This accident broke my back in three places 1049 00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,618 and I was waiting desperately for an ambulance. 1050 00:59:15,618 --> 00:59:18,035 (dark music) 1051 00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:24,690 Be calm, be very still, 1052 00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:26,680 I think that you have a very bad injury 1053 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,780 and they're gonna need to put you on a board 1054 00:59:28,780 --> 00:59:30,630 and you're gonna be taken to the ER. 1055 00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:33,800 And so she held my hand in those moments 1056 00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,320 and I felt as if she was the good Samaritan 1057 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:37,250 I had been waiting for. 1058 00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:38,600 It was terrifying. 1059 00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,210 I was agnostic at the time, 1060 00:59:40,210 --> 00:59:43,810 so when I think of the prayer that I said at that moment, 1061 00:59:43,810 --> 00:59:45,650 it was more like a foxhole prayer. 1062 00:59:45,650 --> 00:59:49,960 I looked up at the sky and I said, God, if there's a God, 1063 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,540 help me out of this situation. 1064 00:59:51,540 --> 00:59:53,034 I have no control. 1065 00:59:53,034 --> 00:59:55,534 (eerie music) 1066 00:59:59,330 --> 01:00:01,410 Everything was out of my control. 1067 01:00:01,410 --> 01:00:05,030 What surgeon I would get, how this would all play out. 1068 01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:06,910 I was 22 and had grown up poor, 1069 01:00:06,910 --> 01:00:10,560 so I didn't think about getting health insurance 1070 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,110 when I waited in that ER. 1071 01:00:13,110 --> 01:00:18,110 I knew my back was broken, I had a CAT scan and several MRIs 1072 01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:22,460 and yet they would not give me any painkillers 1073 01:00:22,460 --> 01:00:25,660 because they needed a surgeon to sign off 1074 01:00:25,660 --> 01:00:27,680 and say that they were taking me into surgery. 1075 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,610 So I was in enormous pain. 1076 01:00:30,610 --> 01:00:32,917 The physical pain was unbelievable 1077 01:00:32,917 --> 01:00:35,380 and I would scream and cry 1078 01:00:35,380 --> 01:00:38,850 and eventually I just ran out of energy. 1079 01:00:38,850 --> 01:00:42,290 And I remember saying a lot of choice words 1080 01:00:42,290 --> 01:00:43,920 when I heard that this one surgeon 1081 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,060 was not going to operate on me. 1082 01:00:46,060 --> 01:00:48,160 I heard nurses talking about it 1083 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:53,160 and he refused to come in because he said 1084 01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:54,630 that he didn't want to operate on someone 1085 01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:56,480 who didn't have health insurance. 1086 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,110 And that hit me so hard. 1087 01:00:58,110 --> 01:01:00,980 I thought, here I am trying to struggle in this world, 1088 01:01:00,980 --> 01:01:02,840 trying to get to that next level 1089 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,550 and someone doesn't care about me. 1090 01:01:04,550 --> 01:01:06,583 I'm just money. 1091 01:01:07,448 --> 01:01:10,115 (ominous music) 1092 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:13,900 It terrified me. 1093 01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:15,890 Well, an off-duty surgeon came by. 1094 01:01:15,890 --> 01:01:19,030 She had been on duty for a long time 1095 01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:21,440 and I grabbed her arm and I said, 1096 01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:22,960 look, this is serious. 1097 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,200 If I can't walk, I do not think I will have a long life. 1098 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,420 I'll probably kill myself. 1099 01:01:27,420 --> 01:01:29,580 This is horrible. 1100 01:01:29,580 --> 01:01:32,570 Because at that time, I had lost feeling in my leg. 1101 01:01:32,570 --> 01:01:36,350 When they were touching my toes, I could not feel them 1102 01:01:36,350 --> 01:01:37,650 and I knew what this meant. 1103 01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:41,067 I knew this meant that, you know, my spine was compromised. 1104 01:01:41,067 --> 01:01:44,950 So eventually she went home, had dinner, 1105 01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:47,088 came back and took me into surgery. 1106 01:01:47,088 --> 01:01:49,380 And I remember signing that form 1107 01:01:49,380 --> 01:01:53,045 and it said 17% chance of death. 1108 01:01:53,045 --> 01:01:55,550 And I thought, that's oddly specific, 1109 01:01:55,550 --> 01:01:58,290 but I'm young and what does it matter? 1110 01:01:58,290 --> 01:02:00,600 I will sign this form because I really hope 1111 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,176 I come out of this surgery and can walk. 1112 01:02:03,176 --> 01:02:05,593 (dark music) 1113 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,860 When I was wheeled into surgery, 1114 01:02:11,860 --> 01:02:16,170 the last thing I expected was for my spirit form 1115 01:02:16,170 --> 01:02:18,370 to leave my body. 1116 01:02:18,370 --> 01:02:21,200 But at some point during that surgery, 1117 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,680 probably midway through, my spirit left my body 1118 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,870 and I saw that my back was opened up, very long incision. 1119 01:02:29,870 --> 01:02:32,610 I had completely shattered T 10, 11 and 12. 1120 01:02:32,610 --> 01:02:34,360 They just were nonexistent. 1121 01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:39,343 And they were picking the bone fragments out of my spine. 1122 01:02:40,718 --> 01:02:43,385 (intense music) 1123 01:02:48,510 --> 01:02:50,900 I was in absolute awe. 1124 01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:55,900 The way I describe it is I felt like exactly like myself, 1125 01:02:56,450 --> 01:03:01,230 but in spirit form and kind of above the surgeon, 1126 01:03:01,230 --> 01:03:04,900 so I was looking down at them as they were working on me 1127 01:03:04,900 --> 01:03:07,220 and I was amazed at how much blood there was. 1128 01:03:07,220 --> 01:03:08,780 That was my first thought. 1129 01:03:08,780 --> 01:03:10,866 It looked like something from the Civil War. 1130 01:03:10,866 --> 01:03:12,600 It just looked gruesome. 1131 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,480 And I remember thinking, is there something wrong? 1132 01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,650 Should there be this much blood? 1133 01:03:17,650 --> 01:03:20,300 And yet at the same time 1134 01:03:20,300 --> 01:03:24,210 being an agnostic going into surgery, I was thrilled. 1135 01:03:24,210 --> 01:03:26,100 I knew this consciousness 1136 01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:28,300 to be something that survives death. 1137 01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:32,280 I knew that I felt smarter, clearer, 1138 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,510 more intense outside of body. 1139 01:03:34,510 --> 01:03:37,460 And then the most amazing thing happened. 1140 01:03:37,460 --> 01:03:40,170 There were these very large beings. 1141 01:03:40,170 --> 01:03:42,440 I didn't call them angels at first. 1142 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:43,560 I didn't know what they were. 1143 01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,600 They were light beings about nine feet tall, 1144 01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,160 eight, nine feet tall. 1145 01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,680 But immediately I was stunned. 1146 01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,990 I knew that they were intelligent and powerful 1147 01:03:54,990 --> 01:03:56,730 and there to calm me down. 1148 01:03:56,730 --> 01:04:00,945 So when they sent this light into my spirit form, 1149 01:04:00,945 --> 01:04:04,280 I calmed down, I felt at ease. 1150 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,700 I knew that this spirit form is more important 1151 01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:10,530 than the body that I was observing on the table. 1152 01:04:10,530 --> 01:04:13,240 And they told me, though, that I would walk. 1153 01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,650 I would be fine, everything would be okay. 1154 01:04:16,650 --> 01:04:18,750 And they were almost playful. 1155 01:04:18,750 --> 01:04:20,890 They spoke with telepathy. 1156 01:04:20,890 --> 01:04:22,560 These words came right at me 1157 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,240 and the words were, watch this. 1158 01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,900 And when they said this, they sent beams of light 1159 01:04:28,900 --> 01:04:31,650 through the backs of the doctors, through their hands 1160 01:04:31,650 --> 01:04:33,930 and my whole spine and my whole body 1161 01:04:33,930 --> 01:04:35,050 lit up with this light. 1162 01:04:35,050 --> 01:04:38,860 And I knew this light to be healing, intelligence, 1163 01:04:38,860 --> 01:04:42,000 communication and that they were assisting the doctors. 1164 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,810 But what amazed me was that angels 1165 01:04:44,810 --> 01:04:46,740 worked through the surgeons. 1166 01:04:46,740 --> 01:04:49,516 And I had enough of an awareness or a knowing 1167 01:04:49,516 --> 01:04:53,870 to realize that the two surgeons didn't know this. 1168 01:04:53,870 --> 01:04:56,940 And I realized it and I thought, I wanna take that with me. 1169 01:04:56,940 --> 01:04:59,110 Maybe angels can work through me. 1170 01:04:59,110 --> 01:05:01,700 Maybe these beings can work through all of us. 1171 01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:03,490 Maybe they do and we're not aware of it. 1172 01:05:03,490 --> 01:05:06,150 So that was really my first lesson 1173 01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:07,530 in the near death experience. 1174 01:05:07,530 --> 01:05:09,787 But at that moment, the monitor flat lined. 1175 01:05:09,787 --> 01:05:11,850 (chattering) (beeping) 1176 01:05:11,850 --> 01:05:15,280 And I have talked with anesthesiologists later, 1177 01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,810 but I know that that's probably a nightmare 1178 01:05:17,810 --> 01:05:19,520 when someone's back is opened up 1179 01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,300 and they have to be revived. 1180 01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:24,730 So I had this idea that I'd have to be flipped over 1181 01:05:24,730 --> 01:05:26,790 and there was already so much blood 1182 01:05:26,790 --> 01:05:28,340 and I did not want to see that. 1183 01:05:32,820 --> 01:05:36,360 My spirit form knew that it could leave the hospital 1184 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,190 and it left the operating room 1185 01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:42,550 and it simply just went into a hallway. 1186 01:05:42,550 --> 01:05:46,760 I ended up in this hallway where I saw my stepdad. 1187 01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,920 My mother had remarried when I was in college 1188 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,270 and I didn't know him that well. 1189 01:05:50,270 --> 01:05:54,510 I only knew him as this fastidious person 1190 01:05:54,510 --> 01:05:59,300 who cared a lot about health and he would make fun of people 1191 01:05:59,300 --> 01:06:03,060 who ate candy or Cokes or anything that was not healthy. 1192 01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:06,120 Well, I saw him at a vending machine getting a Snickers bar 1193 01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:07,730 and I thought, that's funny. 1194 01:06:07,730 --> 01:06:12,560 Usually he only eats an apple as a snack or carrots 1195 01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:16,360 and I thought maybe he has this secret sugar addiction. 1196 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,963 And that's all that I thought in that moment. 1197 01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:23,963 - Tricia was involved in a devastating head-on collision. 1198 01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,293 Out of desperation, she says a prayer. 1199 01:06:28,290 --> 01:06:29,993 She's then rushed to the hospital. 1200 01:06:30,830 --> 01:06:34,350 With a broken back, Tricia waits in pain for hours 1201 01:06:34,350 --> 01:06:36,063 for a surgeon to operate on her. 1202 01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:39,950 After finding out that Tricia had no insurance, 1203 01:06:39,950 --> 01:06:42,317 the surgeon refuses to operate on her. 1204 01:06:43,310 --> 01:06:45,190 Then, out of the grace of God, 1205 01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:47,063 another surgeon agrees to help her. 1206 01:06:48,224 --> 01:06:51,360 And with a 17% chance of death, 1207 01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,350 Tricia finally goes into surgery. 1208 01:06:54,350 --> 01:06:55,530 She then leaves her body 1209 01:06:55,530 --> 01:06:57,883 and floats above the operating theater. 1210 01:06:59,190 --> 01:07:02,693 All of a sudden, three giant beings of light appear. 1211 01:07:04,070 --> 01:07:06,160 They tell her everything is going to be okay 1212 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,490 and they begin to heal her, 1213 01:07:08,490 --> 01:07:12,193 but then Tricia's heart stops and she flat lines. 1214 01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:15,110 Becoming too unbearable to watch, 1215 01:07:15,110 --> 01:07:17,373 Tricia's spirit leaves the operating room. 1216 01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,652 She drifts into the hospital hall 1217 01:07:20,652 --> 01:07:23,730 and sees her stepfather at a vending machine. 1218 01:07:24,945 --> 01:07:27,445 (eerie music) 1219 01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:38,640 - After I was torn apart by the people in that place 1220 01:07:40,030 --> 01:07:42,788 and prayed and called out to Jesus. 1221 01:07:42,788 --> 01:07:43,880 (screaming) Help, help! 1222 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:48,880 He came and healed me, restored me back to my wholeness 1223 01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,400 and loved me and embraced me and he carried me upward 1224 01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:58,330 like a helicopter ride. 1225 01:07:58,330 --> 01:08:00,960 We started moving more and more rapidly 1226 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,663 and I knew we were traveling at a great speed through space. 1227 01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:12,480 And I was trying to get my composure together 1228 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,510 because I was crying like I had never cried before 1229 01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:20,373 out of joy of being embraced by him and being loved by him. 1230 01:08:21,420 --> 01:08:23,353 And I looked up and we were headed towards 1231 01:08:23,353 --> 01:08:25,670 what I first thought was a galaxy 1232 01:08:25,670 --> 01:08:29,260 and then I realized that it wasn't a galaxy of stars, 1233 01:08:29,260 --> 01:08:30,570 it was a galaxy of beings. 1234 01:08:30,570 --> 01:08:31,513 Very, very big. 1235 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,840 I mean, seriously billions and trillions and trillions 1236 01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,280 of beings coming and going in this great center of light 1237 01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:51,000 and then I felt even greater love coming from this galaxy. 1238 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:56,000 And I thought to myself, oh, that's where God is. 1239 01:08:56,455 --> 01:08:59,288 (spiritual music) 1240 01:09:02,350 --> 01:09:05,780 And I thought to myself, He's made a terrible mistake. 1241 01:09:05,780 --> 01:09:09,360 I'm garbage, He should put me back where I was. 1242 01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,790 And with that, we stopped outside this galaxy 1243 01:09:12,790 --> 01:09:15,430 which I'll now refer to as heaven 1244 01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:19,007 and He spoke to me for the first time telepathically 1245 01:09:19,007 --> 01:09:22,200 and said, we don't make mistakes. 1246 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:23,183 You belong here. 1247 01:09:28,130 --> 01:09:32,070 The thing that is interesting about my experience 1248 01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:34,430 is that when I died, 1249 01:09:34,430 --> 01:09:39,430 I was carrying my knowledge and perception 1250 01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:42,780 and experience of my body with me. 1251 01:09:42,780 --> 01:09:47,780 When I was with Jesus, I realized that that was all changing 1252 01:09:48,350 --> 01:09:51,534 and I was becoming more like the angels 1253 01:09:51,534 --> 01:09:55,100 which is instead of being opaque and heavy, 1254 01:09:55,100 --> 01:09:59,150 I was getting at first light-emitting 1255 01:09:59,150 --> 01:10:02,480 and becoming more and more transparent. 1256 01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:04,250 I still had the shape, 1257 01:10:04,250 --> 01:10:08,530 but I was beginning to see into and through myself 1258 01:10:08,530 --> 01:10:10,860 and I wasn't seeing blood vessels and nerves 1259 01:10:10,860 --> 01:10:13,860 and bones and sinew and tendons. 1260 01:10:13,860 --> 01:10:17,750 I was seeing these wonderful colors of light. 1261 01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:21,920 So I was becoming a light being like the angels were, 1262 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,160 but most importantly, I was emitting light 1263 01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,113 not an opaque being that only absorbed light. 1264 01:10:30,330 --> 01:10:35,330 I was amazed and delighted with my expanded vision. 1265 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:40,600 When I went up near heaven and into heaven with Jesus, 1266 01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:43,150 something very interesting happened. 1267 01:10:43,150 --> 01:10:45,960 I began to see colors that I never experienced before. 1268 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,660 And as an artist and one who taught color theory 1269 01:10:49,660 --> 01:10:52,120 like practically every semester to the students 1270 01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,870 which is pretty simple when you break it down. 1271 01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:57,599 You know, cones and rods. 1272 01:10:57,599 --> 01:11:01,077 The cones pick up three different wavelengths of light 1273 01:11:01,077 --> 01:11:03,220 and the primary colors, the secondary colors, 1274 01:11:03,220 --> 01:11:04,460 the tertiary colors. 1275 01:11:04,460 --> 01:11:07,130 So I'm trying to figure this all out with all these colors 1276 01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:09,880 I had no name for and had never experienced before. 1277 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,820 And I realize that there's no way 1278 01:11:11,820 --> 01:11:14,430 I was going to figure it all out. 1279 01:11:14,430 --> 01:11:16,460 Lots and lots of beautiful colors 1280 01:11:16,460 --> 01:11:19,230 that I don't have words for. 1281 01:11:19,230 --> 01:11:20,670 And you know, the weird thing is, 1282 01:11:20,670 --> 01:11:23,540 when I go to the art supply store and buy pigments 1283 01:11:23,540 --> 01:11:28,405 so that I can make those colors, they don't sell them. 1284 01:11:28,405 --> 01:11:29,973 (chuckling) 1285 01:11:29,973 --> 01:11:32,640 (ominous music) 1286 01:11:34,450 --> 01:11:36,153 There are multidimensions. 1287 01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,106 (intense music) 1288 01:11:43,156 --> 01:11:47,520 And so real space travel, the real space travel, 1289 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,950 is moving dimensionally from one vibratory state 1290 01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:54,083 into a different universe altogether. 1291 01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,650 It's not really going great distances 1292 01:12:00,650 --> 01:12:05,027 so much as it is moving through different states of being 1293 01:12:05,027 --> 01:12:08,270 and I believe as theoretical physicists believe 1294 01:12:08,270 --> 01:12:13,270 and as Jesus told me that there's many different universes 1295 01:12:13,610 --> 01:12:17,490 all operating with different physical laws 1296 01:12:17,490 --> 01:12:19,400 and different states. 1297 01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:24,400 I was far away from earth but not as we know time and space. 1298 01:12:25,970 --> 01:12:29,321 I was in a different plane of existence 1299 01:12:29,321 --> 01:12:33,390 which is both far and close at the same time. 1300 01:12:33,390 --> 01:12:34,540 I know that sounds strange, 1301 01:12:34,540 --> 01:12:37,960 but these things do not meet 1302 01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,280 our linear understanding of time and space 1303 01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:45,070 which is how we operate and it works well for us here, 1304 01:12:45,070 --> 01:12:47,711 but it's not the only reality. 1305 01:12:47,711 --> 01:12:50,211 (light music) 1306 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,670 When Jesus took me out to the outskirts of heaven, 1307 01:12:55,670 --> 01:12:57,404 he called forth a group of angels 1308 01:12:57,404 --> 01:13:00,050 and he said they recorded my life 1309 01:13:00,050 --> 01:13:02,260 and they wanted to show it to me and we went through my life 1310 01:13:02,260 --> 01:13:06,840 from my birth up until before I died. 1311 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,940 And it started off really fun in my childhood 1312 01:13:09,940 --> 01:13:14,940 and then as the family dissonance began to develop 1313 01:13:16,700 --> 01:13:21,700 in my early adolescence and into my teenage years, 1314 01:13:21,964 --> 01:13:26,230 I withdrew emotionally because it was very painful 1315 01:13:26,230 --> 01:13:29,580 to be engaged with my family, extremely painful. 1316 01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:34,570 So I withdrew and became detached, 1317 01:13:34,570 --> 01:13:37,453 just cared about myself for self-preservation. 1318 01:13:38,884 --> 01:13:42,460 They were not happy with how that all went 1319 01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:46,740 and not happy with how I tried to live my mature life 1320 01:13:46,740 --> 01:13:49,470 which was take care of my own needs 1321 01:13:49,470 --> 01:13:52,251 and not worry about anybody else. 1322 01:13:52,251 --> 01:13:57,251 They weren't judging me, they were just expressing 1323 01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,880 their great sorrow and disappointment. 1324 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:05,880 And it felt terrible, frankly, to be such a disappointment 1325 01:14:06,030 --> 01:14:10,630 to these people who had been so kind and loving towards me, 1326 01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:13,109 that I had utterly failed them. 1327 01:14:13,109 --> 01:14:15,609 (eerie music) 1328 01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:22,420 When Jesus told me that I had to come back to this world 1329 01:14:22,420 --> 01:14:25,750 and try and live it the way that I had been created 1330 01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:27,130 in the first place to live 1331 01:14:27,130 --> 01:14:32,130 which is living lovingly, kindly, compassionately, 1332 01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:37,004 putting other people's needs and interests ahead of my own. 1333 01:14:37,004 --> 01:14:39,504 (light music) 1334 01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:49,660 I was willing to give that a try, 1335 01:14:49,660 --> 01:14:50,860 but I wanted to go to heaven 1336 01:14:50,860 --> 01:14:53,200 because Jesus had given me a tour of heaven 1337 01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:54,930 and heaven is the most interesting, 1338 01:14:54,930 --> 01:14:56,690 wonderful, exciting place in the universe 1339 01:14:56,690 --> 01:14:59,573 because you can't begin to describe heaven. 1340 01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:06,040 In fact, in truth, everything that's good that ever was, 1341 01:15:06,570 --> 01:15:10,157 that ever will be and that is is in heaven. 1342 01:15:11,154 --> 01:15:12,808 And that would be worth exploring 1343 01:15:12,808 --> 01:15:17,808 for the next billion times a billion times a billion years. 1344 01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:22,560 And becoming familiar with all that goodness 1345 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:23,393 and all that love. 1346 01:15:23,393 --> 01:15:27,180 And of course the ultimate centerpiece of heaven is God 1347 01:15:27,180 --> 01:15:29,960 and that is the goal of every being in heaven 1348 01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,980 is to ultimately go into proximity 1349 01:15:33,980 --> 01:15:35,533 and complete union with God. 1350 01:15:36,626 --> 01:15:39,126 (light music) 1351 01:15:45,020 --> 01:15:48,200 Jesus having shown me that, I thought I was ready 1352 01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,787 and he told me no, you got to come back to this world. 1353 01:15:50,787 --> 01:15:54,750 We had a big argument and he convinced me ultimately 1354 01:15:54,750 --> 01:15:58,852 that it would be in my best interest to do this thing 1355 01:15:58,852 --> 01:16:01,490 called life in this world 1356 01:16:01,490 --> 01:16:03,290 and do it to the best of my ability. 1357 01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,660 - Howard was finally taken out of that hellish place. 1358 01:16:08,660 --> 01:16:11,830 He was now being taken to a much different place. 1359 01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:14,473 He then saw a galaxy of beings in the distance. 1360 01:16:15,630 --> 01:16:17,993 Howard was then shown where God was. 1361 01:16:18,940 --> 01:16:21,400 He felt that God had made a mistake 1362 01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,150 and that He should have left him in that hellish place. 1363 01:16:25,020 --> 01:16:27,823 Howard then noticed he began changing form. 1364 01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:31,563 He was also amazed this his new expansive vision. 1365 01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:36,133 He then began to see colors that he had never seen before. 1366 01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:40,433 Then Howard began traveling into multidimensions. 1367 01:16:41,380 --> 01:16:43,460 After getting a glimpse of heaven, 1368 01:16:43,460 --> 01:16:45,793 he was told that he had to go back to earth. 1369 01:16:50,082 --> 01:16:52,749 (intense music) 1370 01:16:58,850 --> 01:17:00,470 - As I was leaving the hospital, 1371 01:17:00,470 --> 01:17:03,230 I was in the night sky above Austin 1372 01:17:03,230 --> 01:17:04,690 and it was beautiful. 1373 01:17:04,690 --> 01:17:06,490 I just felt so free, 1374 01:17:06,490 --> 01:17:09,710 the way a bird would feel flying over the sky. 1375 01:17:09,710 --> 01:17:14,290 And I started feeling my soul merge and connect 1376 01:17:14,290 --> 01:17:16,300 with everyone I had known 1377 01:17:16,300 --> 01:17:20,270 and I wanted to simply say to everyone at the soul level, 1378 01:17:20,270 --> 01:17:22,940 even if it was a barista at a coffee shop 1379 01:17:22,940 --> 01:17:25,520 and this person had simply handed me a coffee, 1380 01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:30,520 I just wanted to say, have a great life, enjoy it, be happy, 1381 01:17:31,130 --> 01:17:34,250 I wish you well, I might be leaving this place. 1382 01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:38,100 And it was just my way of going, hey, I love you 1383 01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:40,130 and that's all there really is. 1384 01:17:40,130 --> 01:17:42,180 Like at that soul level, 1385 01:17:42,180 --> 01:17:45,390 any bitterness or any pain or anything 1386 01:17:45,390 --> 01:17:48,780 that we think we are attached to, 1387 01:17:48,780 --> 01:17:51,180 we're not attached to at that soul level. 1388 01:17:51,180 --> 01:17:53,999 And I realized that in that moment. 1389 01:17:53,999 --> 01:17:56,621 Then the night sky transitioned 1390 01:17:56,621 --> 01:17:59,920 into what looked like outer space. 1391 01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:01,870 There were a ton of stars 1392 01:18:01,870 --> 01:18:05,650 and I just seemed to be floating in the universe. 1393 01:18:05,650 --> 01:18:08,420 I started to hear different messages 1394 01:18:08,420 --> 01:18:11,250 coming from a light that was far away. 1395 01:18:11,250 --> 01:18:14,300 I didn't feel alone or scared. 1396 01:18:14,300 --> 01:18:16,500 I felt free and supported. 1397 01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:19,490 And one of the first messages I heard was, 1398 01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:22,170 love is all that matters and all that we take with us. 1399 01:18:22,170 --> 01:18:25,500 And again, it was communicated in that form of telepathy, 1400 01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:29,760 this light simply coming through me and connecting with me. 1401 01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,000 And I thought, okay, that's a pretty simple message, 1402 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,250 but the angels told me I'm coming back. 1403 01:18:35,250 --> 01:18:37,830 Maybe you need to give me something a little more than that. 1404 01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:41,910 That may not be enough for me to bring back to humanity. 1405 01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:45,060 And I heard, remind them to go to nature. 1406 01:18:45,060 --> 01:18:48,810 And then I heard the words, be like a little child. 1407 01:18:48,810 --> 01:18:52,080 As I got closer to this light 1408 01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:56,920 which to me seemed like divine intelligence, peace, 1409 01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:01,030 I began to know that the light wanted me 1410 01:19:01,030 --> 01:19:02,930 to see different parts of my life. 1411 01:19:02,930 --> 01:19:06,270 And my life was displayed up in the stars 1412 01:19:06,270 --> 01:19:07,490 in this beautiful way. 1413 01:19:07,490 --> 01:19:11,080 And one of the lessons about remind them to go to nature is, 1414 01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:15,300 God showed me when I was a kid and I prayed in nature. 1415 01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:17,600 I was raised religious. 1416 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,560 And so I went to this briar patch 1417 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:21,690 and there were a lot of rabbits 1418 01:19:21,690 --> 01:19:23,281 and I was maybe five years old. 1419 01:19:23,281 --> 01:19:26,100 And I still wondered about God. 1420 01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:28,780 I was that type of kid who thought, 1421 01:19:28,780 --> 01:19:30,090 I don't like this religion, 1422 01:19:30,090 --> 01:19:33,640 I don't like the idea of children starving in Africa 1423 01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,610 and going to hell or great Buddhist monks being judged 1424 01:19:37,610 --> 01:19:38,960 simply because they're not Christian. 1425 01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,670 Like my mind did not gel with that, 1426 01:19:42,670 --> 01:19:45,660 so I had problems with God as a kid and my mom said, 1427 01:19:45,660 --> 01:19:48,400 well go pray and maybe God will give you a sign. 1428 01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,023 I went to this briar patch 1429 01:19:50,023 --> 01:19:53,140 and I sat in a cross-legged position 1430 01:19:53,140 --> 01:19:55,500 and I was probably about five or six, and I said, 1431 01:19:55,500 --> 01:20:00,110 God, I want some rabbits to come to me if You exist. 1432 01:20:00,110 --> 01:20:03,120 And so I stayed there in this briar patch 1433 01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,370 and the rabbits came to me very slowly. 1434 01:20:05,370 --> 01:20:07,050 They were baby rabbits. 1435 01:20:07,050 --> 01:20:07,883 God said, that was good. 1436 01:20:07,883 --> 01:20:10,220 You know, that was a good moment. 1437 01:20:10,220 --> 01:20:14,270 You opened your heart, you weren't afraid to pray, 1438 01:20:14,270 --> 01:20:16,010 you weren't afraid to be in nature, 1439 01:20:16,010 --> 01:20:18,665 you weren't afraid to connect. 1440 01:20:18,665 --> 01:20:21,332 (ominous music) 1441 01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,690 What I saw later was a moment 1442 01:20:28,690 --> 01:20:30,812 that embarrassed me a little bit. 1443 01:20:30,812 --> 01:20:35,812 I was 22 and kind of judgmental in college. 1444 01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:40,420 I wasn't a bad person, 1445 01:20:40,420 --> 01:20:42,510 but if people didn't like the same movies 1446 01:20:42,510 --> 01:20:44,270 or the same documentaries 1447 01:20:44,270 --> 01:20:46,740 or if they didn't wear cool shoes 1448 01:20:46,740 --> 01:20:51,090 or they were older than me and I was a college student, 1449 01:20:51,090 --> 01:20:52,960 then I really didn't have a lot of time for them 1450 01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:54,040 and I wasn't very nice. 1451 01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,830 So there was a couple that I worked with 1452 01:20:56,830 --> 01:20:58,850 at one of the restaurants where I worked 1453 01:20:58,850 --> 01:21:01,380 and they were older than me, in their 30s 1454 01:21:01,380 --> 01:21:03,570 and they were Catholic. 1455 01:21:03,570 --> 01:21:06,000 And they tried to be my friend. 1456 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,100 They were a married couple 1457 01:21:07,100 --> 01:21:09,210 and I just didn't have time for them. 1458 01:21:09,210 --> 01:21:11,100 I really blew them off 1459 01:21:11,100 --> 01:21:13,450 and never communicated with them at work. 1460 01:21:13,450 --> 01:21:16,186 And God showed me their souls and their hearts 1461 01:21:16,186 --> 01:21:19,620 and how I made them sad at times. 1462 01:21:19,620 --> 01:21:23,047 And then God showed me, 1463 01:21:23,047 --> 01:21:27,150 and this makes me almost want to cry when I talk about it, 1464 01:21:27,150 --> 01:21:29,840 they went home and they prayed for me, 1465 01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:33,360 for my health, for my wealth, for my life 1466 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,660 and they actually cared about me 1467 01:21:36,660 --> 01:21:38,320 and I didn't have the time of day for them 1468 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:39,870 because the shoes they wore. 1469 01:21:39,870 --> 01:21:41,550 And I felt like such an idiot. 1470 01:21:41,550 --> 01:21:44,870 I felt like this just small being 1471 01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:46,720 for treating other people badly, 1472 01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,270 especially when I saw how great their souls were. 1473 01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:51,570 And I thought, okay, when I come back, 1474 01:21:51,570 --> 01:21:54,040 I will look at people in a different way. 1475 01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:57,430 I will not judge them in a materialistic way. 1476 01:21:57,430 --> 01:22:01,070 I won't judge them by their age or how they look. 1477 01:22:01,070 --> 01:22:03,310 I will look at their hearts, I'll look at their souls, 1478 01:22:03,310 --> 01:22:05,910 I'll really figure out who people are. 1479 01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:07,773 And I wanted another chance to do that. 1480 01:22:07,773 --> 01:22:09,130 I wanted to be better 1481 01:22:09,130 --> 01:22:11,710 because that moment really hit me. 1482 01:22:11,710 --> 01:22:15,700 So the moments where I was perhaps not good to myself 1483 01:22:15,700 --> 01:22:19,143 and drank too much, partied too much in college, 1484 01:22:19,143 --> 01:22:21,630 I wasn't held to a cross for that. 1485 01:22:21,630 --> 01:22:24,150 It was being rude to other people 1486 01:22:24,150 --> 01:22:28,250 that was really what God was saying don't do that. 1487 01:22:28,250 --> 01:22:32,850 Don't look at other people and judge them. 1488 01:22:32,850 --> 01:22:35,270 And look for the good in this world and other people. 1489 01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:38,380 So that lesson was profound for me. 1490 01:22:38,380 --> 01:22:40,300 And then I transitioned. 1491 01:22:40,300 --> 01:22:44,780 After that, my spirit form was moving towards something 1492 01:22:44,780 --> 01:22:46,430 which looked like heaven. 1493 01:22:46,430 --> 01:22:51,430 And in this space, what it looked like to me was nature 1494 01:22:51,829 --> 01:22:53,290 and it looked like a holding place. 1495 01:22:53,290 --> 01:22:54,310 It didn't look like, 1496 01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:57,090 okay, now I'm transitioned into this paradise. 1497 01:22:57,090 --> 01:23:00,610 This looked like a place where you waited for something else 1498 01:23:00,610 --> 01:23:02,050 and that's what it felt like to me. 1499 01:23:02,050 --> 01:23:05,160 But the grass was very, very green. 1500 01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:09,400 And what stood out to me was that nothing was dead. 1501 01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,450 Everything was 100% alive. 1502 01:23:11,450 --> 01:23:12,727 So you could walk out into nature 1503 01:23:12,727 --> 01:23:15,670 and you might see a branch that's fallen off the tree 1504 01:23:15,670 --> 01:23:18,020 or a little dead part in the grass. 1505 01:23:18,020 --> 01:23:22,580 But all of this grass in this place sung with joy 1506 01:23:22,580 --> 01:23:26,970 almost as if there was instead of wind, 1507 01:23:26,970 --> 01:23:31,020 it was almost as if it swayed with life. 1508 01:23:31,020 --> 01:23:33,437 (dark music) 1509 01:23:36,590 --> 01:23:39,070 Then in that place, I saw my grandfather. 1510 01:23:39,070 --> 01:23:42,400 He was the only person who was dead at that time 1511 01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:47,040 and he's another link in my past to the other side 1512 01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:50,470 because he wanted me to believe in God 1513 01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:53,590 and he wanted me to know that I was loved. 1514 01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:56,020 So when he died when I was 10, 1515 01:23:56,020 --> 01:23:58,610 he spent a lot of time writing stories to me 1516 01:23:58,610 --> 01:24:02,440 about his life and praying with me and talking with me 1517 01:24:02,440 --> 01:24:04,102 and I was his only granddaughter. 1518 01:24:04,102 --> 01:24:05,900 I meant a lot to him. 1519 01:24:05,900 --> 01:24:08,280 So when I saw him, I almost didn't recognize him. 1520 01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:12,070 He looked about 35 or so. 1521 01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:15,950 His jaw was the same, you know, this squared jaw. 1522 01:24:15,950 --> 01:24:20,150 But his eyes shone with this beauty, this light. 1523 01:24:20,150 --> 01:24:22,720 He said, do you want to continue on? 1524 01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:27,030 And I knew that continue on meant go toward God. 1525 01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:31,660 And God looked like this bright yellow light. 1526 01:24:31,660 --> 01:24:34,730 And yet I was thrilled, I was excited. 1527 01:24:34,730 --> 01:24:38,520 I thought, there's no way, I can't not go towards God. 1528 01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:42,023 I've always been an adventurous soul in life. 1529 01:24:44,678 --> 01:24:48,983 I started flying towards God and I felt people's prayers 1530 01:24:50,830 --> 01:24:52,270 trying to hold me back. 1531 01:24:52,270 --> 01:24:54,060 And the way the prayers felt, 1532 01:24:54,060 --> 01:24:56,930 they felt like an energy or a wind. 1533 01:24:56,930 --> 01:25:01,750 This energy or wind seemed to be pulling my spirit backwards 1534 01:25:01,750 --> 01:25:03,210 but I broke through it. 1535 01:25:03,210 --> 01:25:06,010 I could hear every word that everyone was saying. 1536 01:25:06,010 --> 01:25:11,010 So some prayers were full of love and adoration and hope. 1537 01:25:11,670 --> 01:25:14,420 Some prayers were tormented and afraid. 1538 01:25:14,420 --> 01:25:17,710 I had one aunt who had lost her daughter in a car wreck 1539 01:25:17,710 --> 01:25:19,580 and her daughter was in her 20s 1540 01:25:19,580 --> 01:25:21,843 and she was beseeching God. 1541 01:25:21,843 --> 01:25:25,310 (chanted whispering) 1542 01:25:25,310 --> 01:25:28,470 Almost screaming, saying, God, don't do this. 1543 01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:32,170 You know, someone else in the family can't lose a daughter. 1544 01:25:32,170 --> 01:25:35,920 It's too hard, it's too hard, don't let Tricia die. 1545 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,280 And she was almost commanding God. 1546 01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,760 I thought, oh, that's silly, I'm fine over here. 1547 01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:42,930 You don't understand. 1548 01:25:42,930 --> 01:25:45,560 It'll all be better later if I don't come back. 1549 01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:49,700 Because as I was getting farther away from my body 1550 01:25:49,700 --> 01:25:51,405 and from that place, 1551 01:25:51,405 --> 01:25:53,917 I felt that I didn't want to come back 1552 01:25:53,917 --> 01:25:57,070 and the prayers just seemed simple to me. 1553 01:25:57,070 --> 01:25:58,800 That's the only way to describe it. 1554 01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,040 I just thought, oh, you don't understand. 1555 01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,070 Once you're here, you'll understand 1556 01:26:03,070 --> 01:26:06,480 and it's not that big of a deal because time's relative. 1557 01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:10,090 And the way I looked at it from that point of view is, 1558 01:26:10,090 --> 01:26:12,510 oh, soon enough you'll be here with me. 1559 01:26:12,510 --> 01:26:15,000 And that was the overall feeling. 1560 01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,160 So I broke through their prayers 1561 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:18,390 and it just didn't matter to me. 1562 01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:21,041 I heard my mom's prayers, my dad's prayers. 1563 01:26:21,041 --> 01:26:23,708 (ominous music) 1564 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,650 I didn't understand love. 1565 01:26:28,650 --> 01:26:31,380 I had a few broken relationships 1566 01:26:31,380 --> 01:26:36,000 and what I understood was working hard and being successful. 1567 01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,690 I did not understand love. 1568 01:26:38,690 --> 01:26:41,811 And as I got closer to that light of God, 1569 01:26:41,811 --> 01:26:45,070 for the first time, I felt okay. 1570 01:26:45,070 --> 01:26:46,950 It's so hard to describe, 1571 01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:51,370 but what I felt was, oh, I can breathe. 1572 01:26:51,370 --> 01:26:53,350 I can just be at peace. 1573 01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:54,440 I can be safe. 1574 01:26:54,440 --> 01:26:56,340 There's no one here who's gonna harm me. 1575 01:26:56,340 --> 01:26:59,850 There's no one here who's going to say something 1576 01:26:59,850 --> 01:27:01,540 that's gonna hurt me soul. 1577 01:27:01,540 --> 01:27:04,340 I'm loved, I'm okay exactly the way I am. 1578 01:27:04,340 --> 01:27:06,010 In fact, I'm better than okay. 1579 01:27:06,010 --> 01:27:10,789 I'm amazing the way I am and God loves me so much. 1580 01:27:10,789 --> 01:27:13,660 (light music) 1581 01:27:13,660 --> 01:27:15,420 That love is shocking. 1582 01:27:15,420 --> 01:27:17,290 You just can't believe how good it is. 1583 01:27:17,290 --> 01:27:18,870 And that's how my soul felt. 1584 01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:20,700 I never wanted to return. 1585 01:27:20,700 --> 01:27:23,480 I wanted to feel more and more of that energy 1586 01:27:23,480 --> 01:27:27,223 and God's love was like an atomic bomb of energy. 1587 01:27:30,580 --> 01:27:32,550 And I started to feel different. 1588 01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:37,550 I started to feel, like, more expanded, larger than I was. 1589 01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:40,430 I started to feel at peace 1590 01:27:40,430 --> 01:27:43,250 and I wanted to go closer and closer and closer to God. 1591 01:27:43,250 --> 01:27:45,080 At that point in my near-death experience, 1592 01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:46,790 I did not want to return. 1593 01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:50,530 That love was better than any romantic feeling, 1594 01:27:50,530 --> 01:27:52,890 any parental love I had ever experienced. 1595 01:27:52,890 --> 01:27:54,640 It was perfect. 1596 01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,820 It was perfection. 1597 01:27:56,820 --> 01:28:00,810 And in that place, as I tried to go a little bit further, 1598 01:28:00,810 --> 01:28:02,779 I hit a wall or a barrier. 1599 01:28:02,779 --> 01:28:05,590 Many near-death experiencers talk about this. 1600 01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:08,270 There's a place where you're stopped at some point 1601 01:28:08,270 --> 01:28:13,270 and at this stopping point, God's voice boomed through me 1602 01:28:13,530 --> 01:28:16,090 and it's a very powerful voice. 1603 01:28:16,090 --> 01:28:18,510 I don't know if it's masculine or feminine, 1604 01:28:18,510 --> 01:28:21,750 but it just is a powerful, booming voice. 1605 01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:24,680 And God said, look down. 1606 01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,620 And then it's as if from this vantage point 1607 01:28:27,620 --> 01:28:32,620 I was looking down to earth and I saw all these souls 1608 01:28:33,393 --> 01:28:34,340 and I knew that they were souls 1609 01:28:34,340 --> 01:28:36,130 even though they were encased in bodies 1610 01:28:36,130 --> 01:28:39,710 and they were walking along a particular river. 1611 01:28:39,710 --> 01:28:41,590 And God said, look at them. 1612 01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:43,980 And some of them were composed of light 1613 01:28:43,980 --> 01:28:46,720 and some of them had darkness around them. 1614 01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,180 In that place, I understood the darkness 1615 01:28:49,180 --> 01:28:52,810 to simply mean fear, depression, anger, 1616 01:28:52,810 --> 01:28:55,570 anything that blocks us from God. 1617 01:28:55,570 --> 01:28:57,080 It didn't look terrifying. 1618 01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:58,430 I didn't think about the fact 1619 01:28:58,430 --> 01:29:00,930 that people from a place of darkness 1620 01:29:00,930 --> 01:29:03,910 can commit acts of horror and crimes. 1621 01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:05,200 I didn't think about that. 1622 01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:08,320 I just thought, there's a little bit of darkness 1623 01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:11,020 and they just need to be reminded of God. 1624 01:29:11,020 --> 01:29:12,200 It looked simple, 1625 01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,210 like my only purpose was to go back there 1626 01:29:15,210 --> 01:29:18,850 and remind people that they can be connected to God. 1627 01:29:18,850 --> 01:29:23,823 And then God said something that disturbed me. 1628 01:29:27,304 --> 01:29:29,983 And then God said something that disturbed me. 1629 01:29:31,770 --> 01:29:34,020 God said I was going to go back to earth 1630 01:29:34,020 --> 01:29:36,240 and I was going to work as a teacher, 1631 01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,530 not necessarily as a spiritual teacher 1632 01:29:39,530 --> 01:29:42,100 but as an actual teacher. 1633 01:29:42,100 --> 01:29:44,600 (eerie music) 1634 01:29:45,860 --> 01:29:47,840 All this light that I had been, 1635 01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:49,570 this expansive, beautiful light, 1636 01:29:49,570 --> 01:29:54,570 it was as if it was crumpled up into a ball and thrown 1637 01:29:54,820 --> 01:29:57,930 as if you would throw a baseball or a softball 1638 01:29:57,930 --> 01:30:00,750 and I was hurling through time, space, 1639 01:30:00,750 --> 01:30:03,455 back towards my physical form. 1640 01:30:03,455 --> 01:30:06,122 (intense music) 1641 01:30:10,271 --> 01:30:12,120 I was enveloped in this darkness 1642 01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,610 and it was terrifying in many ways 1643 01:30:15,610 --> 01:30:18,800 to experience beauty like that 1644 01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:22,393 and then to be forced back into a very painful body. 1645 01:30:23,467 --> 01:30:24,860 (light music) 1646 01:30:24,860 --> 01:30:27,117 - Tricia meets her deceased grandfather. 1647 01:30:27,117 --> 01:30:30,823 She notices that he's much younger than when he had passed. 1648 01:30:30,823 --> 01:30:33,820 He asked her if she would like to stay. 1649 01:30:33,820 --> 01:30:36,483 And with that thought, she went toward God. 1650 01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:40,330 But then Tricia noticed her loved ones prayers 1651 01:30:40,330 --> 01:30:42,096 were holding her back. 1652 01:30:42,096 --> 01:30:44,583 But Tricia didn't want to go back. 1653 01:30:45,670 --> 01:30:47,320 She had an overall feeling 1654 01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,713 that they would all be together soon enough. 1655 01:30:51,096 --> 01:30:55,510 Tricia was also experiencing a love that was unlike any 1656 01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:57,223 she had ever felt on earth. 1657 01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,063 She loved the feeling of her newfound freedom. 1658 01:31:02,310 --> 01:31:05,883 Tricia then talks about feeling her soul's expansion. 1659 01:31:07,130 --> 01:31:10,310 God then told her to look at the darkness 1660 01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:11,813 some souls have on earth. 1661 01:31:12,930 --> 01:31:16,200 She was then told that she had to go back to earth 1662 01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,263 and was thrusted back into her body. 1663 01:31:22,205 --> 01:31:24,622 (dark music) 1664 01:31:30,610 --> 01:31:32,020 - No transition. 1665 01:31:32,020 --> 01:31:36,170 I was back in the body, back in the bed, back in the pain 1666 01:31:36,170 --> 01:31:38,740 and immediately a nurse came into the room. 1667 01:31:38,740 --> 01:31:42,709 This was now nine o' clock at night, approximately, 1668 01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:46,340 you know, 10 hours or so from when this began. 1669 01:31:46,340 --> 01:31:50,800 And she said a doctor has arrived at the hospital 1670 01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:54,070 on Saturday night and I'm gonna have the surgery 1671 01:31:54,070 --> 01:31:56,920 and they prepped me for surgery 1672 01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:00,180 and I had the surgery at 10 o' clock that night. 1673 01:32:00,180 --> 01:32:03,890 I wanted to tell my wife what had happened to me. 1674 01:32:03,890 --> 01:32:08,080 The Sunday morning, the very day that I had the surgery 1675 01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,803 'cause the surgery went into Sunday morning, 1676 01:32:11,770 --> 01:32:14,110 and I tried to tell her things 1677 01:32:14,110 --> 01:32:16,560 and she did not want to hear it. 1678 01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:19,440 Every day thereafter, I would tell her things 1679 01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:22,570 and then she would tell me to stop talking about it, 1680 01:32:22,570 --> 01:32:25,250 she told me it didn't happen, get over it, 1681 01:32:25,250 --> 01:32:28,100 it was just a dream, it never happened, etc. 1682 01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:30,360 And I would tell her no, no, no, this happened 1683 01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,853 and Jesus said this and Jesus did that. 1684 01:32:32,853 --> 01:32:35,380 And, you know, God wants us, etc. 1685 01:32:35,380 --> 01:32:37,066 And she didn't like it. 1686 01:32:37,066 --> 01:32:38,950 After my experience, 1687 01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:43,350 I became more and more committed to telling everybody. 1688 01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:45,470 So when the cleaning lady came into my hospital room, 1689 01:32:45,470 --> 01:32:47,080 I was in the hospital for several months. 1690 01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:49,750 I came back to the US and was very, very sick 1691 01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:51,040 on death's door for months. 1692 01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,540 And anyways, anybody that came into the room, 1693 01:32:53,540 --> 01:32:55,460 nurses, doctors, cleaning people, 1694 01:32:55,460 --> 01:32:57,305 respiratory therapists, whatever, 1695 01:32:57,305 --> 01:32:59,850 I would tell them about Jesus and God 1696 01:32:59,850 --> 01:33:01,600 and heaven and hell and stuff like that. 1697 01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,920 And I found out several years later from one of the nurses 1698 01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:06,437 that I was the laughing stock of the hospital 1699 01:33:06,437 --> 01:33:09,820 and I was getting visitors from all over the hospital 1700 01:33:09,820 --> 01:33:14,610 because I was the crazy person on the third floor 1701 01:33:14,610 --> 01:33:18,200 of the southwest wing of that hospital. 1702 01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,240 But I knew that they were laughing at me, 1703 01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:22,090 but I'd tell them anyways. 1704 01:33:22,090 --> 01:33:27,090 After many months, I was losing my wife, my kids. 1705 01:33:30,580 --> 01:33:31,840 Nobody was visiting me. 1706 01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,000 People that came to visit me and I gave my testimony to 1707 01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:36,023 never came back. 1708 01:33:37,210 --> 01:33:40,770 I realized that I had to stop forcing it on people. 1709 01:33:40,770 --> 01:33:44,840 So my policy ever since then has been, 1710 01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,993 I don't tell my story unless people ask about it. 1711 01:33:50,180 --> 01:33:51,410 After the experience, 1712 01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:56,410 I had the ability basically all the time 1713 01:33:56,950 --> 01:34:01,270 to see into what's called the supernatural world. 1714 01:34:01,270 --> 01:34:02,570 I could see demons 1715 01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:05,763 and I could see angels. 1716 01:34:07,300 --> 01:34:11,060 I could feel people's feelings empathetically 1717 01:34:11,060 --> 01:34:12,650 to a very intense degree 1718 01:34:12,650 --> 01:34:17,650 and sometimes I could actually kind of hear their thoughts. 1719 01:34:18,770 --> 01:34:22,210 And I was also getting glimpses of things 1720 01:34:22,210 --> 01:34:24,583 that were going to happen in the future. 1721 01:34:26,930 --> 01:34:28,740 It was all quite overwhelming 1722 01:34:28,740 --> 01:34:33,740 and much of that I prayed to God to take away from me 1723 01:34:33,845 --> 01:34:36,010 after several months of that 1724 01:34:36,010 --> 01:34:40,820 because I was not connecting with this world. 1725 01:34:40,820 --> 01:34:43,789 It was weird because I kind of had one foot 1726 01:34:43,789 --> 01:34:47,420 in the supernatural world and one foot in this world 1727 01:34:48,427 --> 01:34:50,640 and it was really bad for my interactions 1728 01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,573 with the people that I was around. 1729 01:34:53,589 --> 01:34:58,589 (light music) (birds chirping) 1730 01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:03,900 Ever since I came back into this world, 1731 01:35:03,900 --> 01:35:08,900 I've tried to be kinder, more compassionate and more loving. 1732 01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:15,230 I think that it's God's plan for everybody 1733 01:35:15,230 --> 01:35:17,820 that we love God with all our heart, mind soul and strength 1734 01:35:17,820 --> 01:35:19,450 and love our neighbor as ourself 1735 01:35:19,450 --> 01:35:23,640 and I'm trying to live up to that and I fail all the time. 1736 01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,680 I try to examine what I've done 1737 01:35:27,650 --> 01:35:30,670 and pray that I'm forgiven for when I fail 1738 01:35:30,670 --> 01:35:33,830 or don't live up to what God expects of me 1739 01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:35,920 and I know that it pleases God 1740 01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:40,920 when I make my own simple little opportunities 1741 01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:45,550 to make this world a better place 1742 01:35:45,550 --> 01:35:48,600 by being kind and compassionate and loving. 1743 01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:50,810 And so that's it in a nutshell 1744 01:35:50,810 --> 01:35:52,980 is I want to live a life pleasing to God 1745 01:35:52,980 --> 01:35:54,423 which is to love. 1746 01:35:55,679 --> 01:35:57,580 (light music) 1747 01:35:57,580 --> 01:35:59,860 - Howard was back in his body. 1748 01:35:59,860 --> 01:36:04,070 He wanted to tell his wife, but it fell on deaf ears. 1749 01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:05,290 Howard felt committed 1750 01:36:05,290 --> 01:36:07,824 to telling everyone about his experience. 1751 01:36:07,824 --> 01:36:10,823 He then became the laughing stock of the hospital. 1752 01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,770 Howard then began losing his wife and his kids. 1753 01:36:15,770 --> 01:36:18,420 He then realized he had to stop forcing it on people. 1754 01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:21,440 Feeling overwhelmed, 1755 01:36:21,440 --> 01:36:24,603 Howard asked God to stop his new abilities. 1756 01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:27,580 Howard had then done a 180 1757 01:36:27,580 --> 01:36:30,023 and became a kinder, loving person. 1758 01:36:32,242 --> 01:36:34,909 (ominous music) 1759 01:36:37,820 --> 01:36:40,320 (light music) 1760 01:36:41,170 --> 01:36:43,280 - I was conscious about the time 1761 01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,430 they were asking me to say my name 1762 01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:49,020 and to swallow a few ice chips. 1763 01:36:49,020 --> 01:36:52,150 And I could not say my actual name. 1764 01:36:52,150 --> 01:36:56,370 I remember saying, yes, yes, I remember her name, 1765 01:36:56,370 --> 01:36:57,500 her name is Tricia. 1766 01:36:57,500 --> 01:36:59,560 And they said, no, that's your name, 1767 01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:01,670 so you need to say what your name is. 1768 01:37:01,670 --> 01:37:03,410 And I refused for a little bit 1769 01:37:03,410 --> 01:37:07,000 and the nurse was confused as to why I was arguing with her 1770 01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:11,580 but I felt as if my consciousness was greater than this form 1771 01:37:11,580 --> 01:37:14,830 and to come back to me was disappointing. 1772 01:37:14,830 --> 01:37:17,790 I didn't feel grateful at first. 1773 01:37:17,790 --> 01:37:20,880 I felt disappointed that I had experienced 1774 01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:22,610 all of that expansiveness, 1775 01:37:22,610 --> 01:37:24,610 all of that bliss, all of that beauty 1776 01:37:24,610 --> 01:37:28,340 and now I had to be me and walk through this life as me 1777 01:37:28,340 --> 01:37:32,700 with my particular upbringing, my traumas, my pain, 1778 01:37:32,700 --> 01:37:35,250 my memories of life on this earth, 1779 01:37:35,250 --> 01:37:38,990 and yet bring in that consciousness of the other side, 1780 01:37:38,990 --> 01:37:43,693 so eventually I relented and said, okay, I'm Tricia. 1781 01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:49,270 In the ER, I was constantly pulling nurses aside 1782 01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:51,430 asking them if they knew God. 1783 01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:53,130 Many of them were religious and they said, 1784 01:37:53,130 --> 01:37:55,440 yes, I pray, I believe in God. 1785 01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:58,650 But then I knew I was interacting with people in a way 1786 01:37:58,650 --> 01:38:00,433 that they didn't fully understand. 1787 01:38:00,433 --> 01:38:04,100 I would tell the nurses, oh, God's this amazing energy. 1788 01:38:04,100 --> 01:38:07,840 It's so amazing, I was just there, I got to meet God 1789 01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:09,590 and God filled me with all this love. 1790 01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:13,180 And I would see people backing away and saying, you know, 1791 01:38:13,180 --> 01:38:16,850 different things about me, even my own family. 1792 01:38:16,850 --> 01:38:19,771 I was very different from that point forward. 1793 01:38:19,771 --> 01:38:21,420 I look back at my life 1794 01:38:21,420 --> 01:38:23,982 and who I was at 22 before that accident. 1795 01:38:23,982 --> 01:38:27,870 I was very contained and fearful within my own body 1796 01:38:27,870 --> 01:38:30,740 and I kept a lot of people away from me 1797 01:38:30,740 --> 01:38:32,890 with that exterior that I had. 1798 01:38:32,890 --> 01:38:35,670 After that near-death experience, I was like a child. 1799 01:38:35,670 --> 01:38:40,370 I was bubbly and joyful and grateful for every step 1800 01:38:40,370 --> 01:38:41,570 that I took on this planet 1801 01:38:41,570 --> 01:38:44,010 and grateful for every bite of food that I had. 1802 01:38:44,010 --> 01:38:47,594 I felt this enormous optimism. 1803 01:38:47,594 --> 01:38:52,594 (light music) (birds chirping) 1804 01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:57,430 When I was there in that realm, it seemed as if 1805 01:38:57,430 --> 01:39:00,640 everybody would just be there in a few seconds. 1806 01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,720 Or it could be many years, but it seemed that soon. 1807 01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:07,430 It seemed as if life would just complete very quickly. 1808 01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:09,610 It was a grain of sand over there 1809 01:39:09,610 --> 01:39:12,010 because time had been going on for so long. 1810 01:39:12,010 --> 01:39:15,420 There had possibly been many lives that I had lived 1811 01:39:15,420 --> 01:39:16,430 and others had lived. 1812 01:39:16,430 --> 01:39:21,250 And it was just, from the beginning, it looked like theater, 1813 01:39:21,250 --> 01:39:24,330 like this looked like a theater production. 1814 01:39:24,330 --> 01:39:25,520 That was my first thought 1815 01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,610 when my spirit form stepped out of body 1816 01:39:27,610 --> 01:39:29,790 is I thought, this is the reality 1817 01:39:29,790 --> 01:39:33,630 and this physical thing that we take all too seriously, 1818 01:39:33,630 --> 01:39:36,310 it's not that important. 1819 01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:39,100 This spirit is what is important. 1820 01:39:39,100 --> 01:39:40,300 This is what's eternal. 1821 01:39:40,300 --> 01:39:41,760 This is what goes on. 1822 01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,560 This is what matters and how do we forget? 1823 01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:48,160 How do we deny that it even exists as I had? 1824 01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:50,550 I denied that there was this possibility. 1825 01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:54,270 I denied my own soul until I experienced it in that realm 1826 01:39:54,270 --> 01:39:57,130 and that was part of what blew me away 1827 01:39:57,130 --> 01:39:59,490 is how seriously we take this 1828 01:39:59,490 --> 01:40:03,323 and how we don't take the spiritual realm seriously enough. 1829 01:40:05,950 --> 01:40:09,100 - Tricia refused to call herself by name. 1830 01:40:09,100 --> 01:40:12,333 Finally, she gave in and identified herself as Tricia. 1831 01:40:13,340 --> 01:40:14,850 Tricia wanted to tell everyone 1832 01:40:14,850 --> 01:40:16,853 in the hospital about her experience. 1833 01:40:17,790 --> 01:40:20,253 She quickly noticed how this fell on deaf ears. 1834 01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:24,063 Tricia was a different person after the experience. 1835 01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:27,450 She had a renewed sense of optimism, 1836 01:40:27,450 --> 01:40:29,763 almost like a childlike way about her. 1837 01:40:31,070 --> 01:40:32,350 I asked Tricia, 1838 01:40:32,350 --> 01:40:35,710 why is it that people that have experienced this 1839 01:40:35,710 --> 01:40:38,993 seem to not be worried about their loved ones back on earth? 1840 01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:42,240 She said it's like an understanding 1841 01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:45,963 that we'll all be together again in an instant. 1842 01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:50,430 She went on to add that time is a thing 1843 01:40:50,430 --> 01:40:51,983 that we humans refer to. 1844 01:40:53,230 --> 01:40:55,850 She also referred to life as theater, 1845 01:40:55,850 --> 01:40:57,893 where we play roles like on a stage. 1846 01:40:58,870 --> 01:41:00,230 She continued on to say 1847 01:41:00,230 --> 01:41:03,200 that this isn't the importance we think it is, 1848 01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:07,260 that the spirit world is what is truly important. 1849 01:41:07,260 --> 01:41:08,909 My four guests have seen things 1850 01:41:08,909 --> 01:41:11,263 that I believe we may have forgotten about. 1851 01:41:12,290 --> 01:41:14,530 A core theme that resonated with my guests 1852 01:41:14,530 --> 01:41:18,920 was how we treat others during this incarnation. 1853 01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:22,110 Rich, poor, smart or illiterate, 1854 01:41:22,110 --> 01:41:23,653 it seems to be irrelevant. 1855 01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:27,363 What is important is the way we acted. 1856 01:41:28,590 --> 01:41:31,710 Now this performance is reflected in our life review 1857 01:41:31,710 --> 01:41:33,193 right after we transition. 1858 01:41:34,330 --> 01:41:35,883 What really is the life review? 1859 01:41:37,740 --> 01:41:40,720 To me, it's an accurate record of how we reacted 1860 01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:43,290 to the situations in our life, 1861 01:41:43,290 --> 01:41:46,143 an opportunity to see where we can improve. 1862 01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:50,270 This is Craig McMahon saying goodbye 1863 01:41:50,270 --> 01:41:53,420 and that love is all that matters. 1864 01:41:53,420 --> 01:41:54,883 Until we meet again. 1865 01:41:55,894 --> 01:41:58,477 (bright music) 1866 01:42:15,154 --> 01:42:20,154 (powerful music) (thunder roaring) 139889

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