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- It's been called the
natural order of earth.
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Species are born and
in the blink of an eye,
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earth is full of life,
all in perfect harmony.
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Along with all the plants and the animals,
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humans are born into this
marvelous systems as well
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and just like that, humans
are ready to roam the earth
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and experience life on the planet.
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But like in the natural order of life,
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all living things must come to an end.
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Death is inevitable.
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Some fear death, while others welcome it.
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Now it's estimated to some
500 to 750 million people
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believe that when you're
dead, you're dead.
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And conversely, there are billions
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that believe in otherwise.
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But one thing's for
certain, we all will die.
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But do we really die or do
we go to some other place
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and continue to live on?
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Join me as I sit down
with these amazing people
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that died but came back to talk about it.
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- I remember he was a very big man
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and I remember him leaning into me
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and he could tell that I was not okay.
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I knew that I was dying.
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They carried me in and the
look in the pastor's eyes,
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I remember him standing up
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and he slammed his fist on his desk.
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And he asked me if I believed in God.
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I said I believe in God.
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And that's when my spirit that
I call it, my spiritual self,
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left this shell, this physical body.
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When I left my body,
first I was on the ceiling
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and I was looking down and I
was watching the paramedics
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work on my body and put
me into the ambulance.
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And I knew at that moment,
well, that's really nice.
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I'm glad they're doing that,
but I'm not coming back.
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I just had this knowing.
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And it was almost, you know,
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instantly of having that knowing
that I wasn't coming back
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that I remember feeling this
presence on my right side
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and looking up and that's
when there was a tunnel
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and that tunnel at first was dark for me.
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Very rapidly it went to a
completely light filled tunnel
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and it was filled with so much love.
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It's so hard to put into human words
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the love that was in that tunnel.
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It was almost an energetic feeling
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propelling me at this supersonic speed.
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For the first time, I
felt like I was alive.
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I was really alive.
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It was incredible 'cause
I had had so much pain
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up until that moment that
I took my last breath.
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But when I took that last breath,
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it was the most wonderful feeling.
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And it didn't contain me.
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I was so much more than
that shell on the floor.
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I had no desire to go back in.
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I was done, I was checking out.
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I still knew I was Erica McKenzie.
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I knew that was the human me.
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But I knew this was the real me.
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If all that happened to
me was that at that point,
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I would have stayed in that tunnel
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of love and light forever.
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It was more than enough.
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It was more love than I had ever felt
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to that magnitude as a human on earth.
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- Erica's lungs shut down and
she could no longer breathe.
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The doctors tried to resuscitate her,
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but she flat lined and died.
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She felt her body then begin to float.
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She noticed her pain was gone.
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She said that she felt more alive
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than when she was alive here on earth.
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Now while in the tunnel, she felt a love
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that she had never felt before.
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This love was so intense she
said she would've been fine
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to stay there forever.
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- I was close to three years old.
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On the patio, there was a tank
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and this tank was in a
corner and it was a big tank.
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It held around 900 gallons of water
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and we decided let's
play catch across the tank.
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I bended my legs and I
would lean very precariously
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at the edge of this tank.
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Well my sister threw the ball at me.
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She didn't apply enough force
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and when I leaned forward
to try to grab it,
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the ball rolled on the surface on the tank
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and I fell into the water.
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Probably was about 30,
40 degrees fahrenheit,
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so the first thing I felt
when falling in the water
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was this sense of being frigid cold.
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I also realized that I could not breathe.
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So the sense of feeling cold
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or the sense of not being able to breathe
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brought me to experience a
moment of absolutely horror.
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At that age, I didn't know that
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if you fall into water, you drown.
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We had never been in a pool,
we didn't have a bathtub,
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so at that moment, the sense of terror
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was very, very profound.
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I could hear my heart.
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Imagine the state of
anxiety, the state of horror.
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My heart was beating very loud in my chest
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like a bass drum.
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Boom, boom, boom.
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And then just like that,
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it stopped and I was in absolute silence.
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But something happened.
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While I was experiencing this
state of absolute terror,
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I went from that to
experience absolute peace.
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It was just like that,
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I went from horror to a
state of absolute wellbeing.
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I didn't know what happened,
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but I was experiencing this sense
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that I didn't need anything.
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I didn't need to fight anymore.
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I just was in this state of peace.
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- Ingrid was only three years old
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and did not yet know how to swim.
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The moment that she entered the water,
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she was overwhelmed
with how frigid it was.
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Now it wasn't too long
that Ingrid realized
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she could no longer breathe.
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Terror set in.
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The beating of her heart
began to overwhelm her.
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Then, in an instant, her heart stopped
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and the world around her went silent.
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- I get to the end of the tunnel.
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I can see what looks to
be stars in a galaxy.
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And then I felt this presence
that I had known as a child.
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I recognized the presence
and it was so spectacular.
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I could not even look upon it.
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I knew it was God.
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And while I didn't see a physical
form at this point of God,
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I could feel as though God was
putting His arms around me.
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God and I stood there
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and I'm looking in front of me
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and there's all of these stars.
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It was so incredible.
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I have this overwhelming feeling of love
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and all of a sudden, God
and I begin to communicate
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and it wasn't anything that I was used to
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communicating like on earth.
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It was telepathically, meaning
I would think this thought
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and as soon as I thought it,
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God would replace it with an answer.
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And as this dialogue was going on
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and I am being filled with answers
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to the questions that I'm asking,
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and I hear this whirring noise
like an old antique projector
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and I see on the screen three, two, one,
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the life review of Erica McKenzie.
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And I proceeded to have
this life review with God.
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Everything that I had lived
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from the day that I
was born until that day
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31 human years later that I died.
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And the events that
happened in this life review
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were events that what I like
to call humanly significant,
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accolades if you will.
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Things that we as human
deem important in our life.
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I remember seeing losing my
first tooth in first grade,
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winning the spelling bee in third grade,
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cheerleading awards,
you know, sports awards,
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newspaper, yearbook editor,
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going onto college,
graduating from college,
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getting married, having children.
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All of these things were
amazing experiences and memories
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that I'm living, but there was this theme.
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And I have this human
reaction of wait a minute,
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I haven't seen anything negative.
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And I know I'm a sinner 'cause
I was raised in religion
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which I'm thankful for, it was a tool,
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I can see and appreciate
it for what it was,
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but at the same time, I
had this huge fear of dying
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because I knew I was a sinner
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and I knew I was going to go to hell
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and I certainly knew I wasn't perfect,
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but why wasn't God judging me?
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Wasn't that what was supposed to happen?
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We get to the end, the day I died
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and God still had not judged me.
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God had only loved me.
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I have this incredible
feeling that I'm home
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and I never wanted to be parted from God
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and this feeling again.
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I had never felt this kind
of love, unconditional love.
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And all of a sudden in front
of me appear eyeglasses.
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Now, mind you, back then
I had perfect vision.
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But here's this pair of eyeglasses
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and they are the size of a small car.
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And I'm thinking, there's no way.
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I knew that God wanted me
to put these eyeglasses on,
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but I had the feeling I'm
still the size I was on earth
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and these glasses are
the size of a vehicle.
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It's not gonna work.
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As soon as I'm thinking that
human thought of limitation,
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I found myself putting me hands
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and picking up the glasses
and drawing them near.
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And wouldn't you know, as
soon as I got them on my face,
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they fit perfectly.
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And I remember God saying to me,
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with God, all things are possible.
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And with that, I heard that
whirring projector noise
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in my ear again like the first time.
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Countdown begins, three, two, one.
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Life review of Erica McKenzie
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and there is me on the
screen, a baby again.
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I remember how my heart
felt like it was pounding
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through my chest and I felt
like I was losing my breath
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because I was starting to panic.
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I now had the realization I'm
having another life review
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and I am such a bad sinner,
I've messed up so much
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that God has to give me
a separate life review
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just for all the bad
things that I had done.
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So I'm feeling this
panic because, you see,
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I have God's glasses on now.
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So everything that I started seeing
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was not at all that was
in the first life review.
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The first life review was everything
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that mankind deems as
important, significant.
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But the second life review
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was everything that
God knows is important.
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- Erica meets a supreme being
that she refers to as God.
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She begins to communicate with God.
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God shows her a review of her life.
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Like a movie, she
watches her life play out
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from birth 'til death.
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She watches all the
wonderful moments in her life
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and at the end of her life review,
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she realizes that she was not judged.
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Again, she's overwhelmed
with a feeling of love.
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But then begins a much
different life review.
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- Before I went to that
space of absolute wellbeing
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was a space that was absolutely dark.
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I had my eyes open and
I only saw darkness.
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But right there, when I went to experience
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this sense of wellbeing, a
light came from the bottom
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and that light, it was soft
but it was enough to illuminate
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my whole watery surrounding.
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So this was incredible
because this is what I call
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the silence behind the silence.
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And later in my life, I
crave for this silence.
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Being in this atmosphere
of silence and light,
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suddenly I started to see
bubbles suspended in the water.
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These bubbles were surrounded by light
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and I started to chase these bubbles.
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And it was chasing these
bubbles that I turn around
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and that's when I saw a
body suspended in the water.
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And right there I knew
that this was my body.
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And amazingly, I didn't feel fearful.
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I did not feel even surprised.
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It was a sense of familiarity.
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It was the sense of, like,
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this already
happened to me before.
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I turn around and I
started to see flowers.
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They were blooming from nowhere.
259
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These were the most
beautiful, beautiful flowers
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and the sense of
dimension also disappeared
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and I was picked up by these flowers.
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And I put the analogy that for me,
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it was like this sense that
you are going back to the womb,
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that sense where you don't
have to do absolutely anything.
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And then again in just a flash,
I appear in my mom's path.
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And that's when I said, ooh, that's Mom?
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And right there, she is stopped.
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She did not hesitate, she
did not give another step,
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she just stopped.
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She knew immediately that
something was happening at home.
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My mom is incredible
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because she has always been so intuitive
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and she listened to her intuition.
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And she just decided to turn
and started to run back home.
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She knew something was happening at home
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with one of her babies and she just run.
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I looked at her and I was like, ooh.
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But I got distracted at that moment.
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The realization that wherever
I put my mind, I could go.
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So if I would see a dog
at the end of the street,
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I would be there.
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If I would see a tree, people.
283
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So it was like,
now I was having fun
284
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playing a game of going places.
285
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For me, time and space had vanished
286
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and I could be anywhere at any time.
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And right there, again, just like a flash,
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I appear in a realm
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that was made of pure,
bright, intense, shiny light.
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And Craig, for the first
three years of my life,
291
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this was the first time
that I felt that I was home.
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Of course there's no five senses anymore
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like in the human body.
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So everything turns more into
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what I would describe as a knowing.
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Instead of going with the five senses,
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I would just call this
the spiritual sense,
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is the knowing, experiencing things
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at a higher, higher level.
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In this realm of the light,
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I didn't really see
anybody or hear anybody.
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But I felt so welcome.
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I just felt like I was home.
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And it was again the sense
that no time had happened.
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No three years had passed.
306
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It's like, oh, I was just
out and now I'm back.
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Again, it was this sense of familiarity.
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And then although I saw my
body suspended in the water,
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up to this point, I did
not have the realization
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that I was not in it, that
I was not that persona.
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And this was the moment when
I realized I am not that.
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And I saw myself, I realized
myself as a being of light.
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And this is when I
started to have the sense
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of pretty much dissolving with the whole,
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becoming part of the whole.
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And this went even farther
because I experienced
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what I call the sense of non-self.
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It's that place where I was experiencing
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just pure consciousness
and just absolute presence.
320
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Some people feel afraid
about the world, nothingness,
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but I said, no, it's the nothingness
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that encompasses everything.
323
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- Ingrid emerges from
that silent darkness.
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She then begins to see
bubbles of light around her.
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She felt detached from the body
326
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floating beside her in the water.
327
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She then remembered this as
though it had already happened.
328
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She then was immersed
in beautiful flowers.
329
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Ingrid then connects with
her mother out on that path.
330
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She then travels to a realm of light
331
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and felt as though she was back home.
332
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She no longer felt attached
to the persona of Ingrid.
333
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- Life review of Erica McKenzie
334
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and there's me on the
screen, a baby again.
335
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I didn't even remember
most of these things.
336
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Things like when I was little,
337
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I was sitting on the lap
338
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in the rest home of this elderly woman
339
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and I was brushing her hair
340
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and I was singing "Jesus Loves Me."
341
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And there was this love energy exchange
342
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between she and I, this gift.
343
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Then there was, I was helping
like a homeless person.
344
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I didn't have any money, but
I gave my last two dollars
345
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to this homeless person
so they'd have something.
346
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Rescuing animals that,
you know, were abused.
347
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Listening to a friend or even a stranger
348
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who just needed somebody to listen
349
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to what they were going through.
350
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There was a theme to all of
these things I began to see
351
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as I was living each day
like it was a human day.
352
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I was living through everything
353
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and getting closer to 31
years, the day I died.
354
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I'm sitting here thinking, okay.
355
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All of these things involve love.
356
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Love was the answer.
357
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There was no judgment present.
358
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God did not judge me again,
the second life review.
359
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But love was the answer.
360
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It is the only thing that was important
361
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all through the second life review.
362
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And we get to the very end
363
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:51,760
and God filled me this time
with more unconditional love
364
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with no judgment present
365
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than I had been filled with at this point.
366
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I thought I couldn't
take anymore of the love.
367
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,470
That's how great it was.
368
00:24:01,470 --> 00:24:03,760
I really thought I was gonna burst.
369
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,513
It was so incredible.
370
00:24:07,390 --> 00:24:11,460
I'm not judged, I'm now
definitely not going home
371
00:24:11,460 --> 00:24:14,320
because I can't be separated from this.
372
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It felt like my natural
life source, my God source,
373
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and there was nowhere I wanted to be.
374
00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:24,540
But the lessons continued
375
00:24:24,540 --> 00:24:27,373
and God told me to look to my right.
376
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,470
And this is when the lesson of
the rippling effect happened.
377
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:37,470
This is the only time that I
saw God in any physical form
378
00:24:38,660 --> 00:24:43,500
that I was allowed to be able
to visualize with my eyes.
379
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:47,200
And I remember looking and
it was God's fingertips
380
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,770
all the way up to His shoulder.
381
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:51,300
And the best way I can describe it,
382
00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:54,120
it was about as big
as, like, a semi truck.
383
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:57,550
And I remember His arm and watching.
384
00:24:57,550 --> 00:24:59,950
And His arm swung up high.
385
00:24:59,950 --> 00:25:01,200
And I remember looking up
386
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,940
and I could not see the
top of His fingertips.
387
00:25:03,940 --> 00:25:06,580
It went past up into the stars.
388
00:25:06,580 --> 00:25:08,910
And I remember watching and waiting
389
00:25:08,910 --> 00:25:12,380
and all of a sudden, God put
the palm of His hand down
390
00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:16,309
and appeared in the palm
of His hand a huge rock.
391
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:25,550
You are the rock, you are the light,
392
00:25:25,550 --> 00:25:30,550
the light is of Me and I am with you.
393
00:25:30,750 --> 00:25:33,910
And as He said that, He let go of the rock
394
00:25:33,910 --> 00:25:36,473
and we watched the rock
begin to fall together.
395
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,730
And it seemed like it
took such a long time
396
00:25:39,730 --> 00:25:43,750
and as we're watching this rock fall,
397
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:46,990
I'm thinking, okay, I need to remember,
398
00:25:46,990 --> 00:25:49,270
I am the rock, I am the light,
399
00:25:49,270 --> 00:25:52,380
but the light is of
God and God is with me.
400
00:25:52,380 --> 00:25:55,650
And as I said that to myself,
401
00:25:55,650 --> 00:25:59,170
appeared out in front of me
the largest body of water.
402
00:25:59,170 --> 00:26:01,763
I could not even see the
borders of the water.
403
00:26:02,660 --> 00:26:06,103
And I watched as this rock
got closer to the water
404
00:26:06,103 --> 00:26:11,103
and finally it made one big impact
405
00:26:11,540 --> 00:26:15,103
that set off one ripple.
406
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,730
And we stood together and
we watched as that ripple,
407
00:26:18,730 --> 00:26:20,730
it grew and it grew
and it grew and it grew
408
00:26:20,730 --> 00:26:24,030
'til I couldn't even see the
border of that single ripple.
409
00:26:24,030 --> 00:26:27,410
And God said to me, mankind is the water.
410
00:26:27,410 --> 00:26:28,693
You are the ripple.
411
00:26:35,940 --> 00:26:40,940
I couldn't even wrap my
head around the magnitude
412
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:47,080
of the message that God was
trying to teach me at this time.
413
00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:52,730
God said, you are the ripple.
414
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:57,547
Your thoughts, words and
actions will effect mankind
415
00:26:58,790 --> 00:27:00,768
as the ripple does the water.
416
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:07,100
And I remember thinking
over and over again
417
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:08,640
about that lesson
418
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,640
and watching how significant
that single ripple was,
419
00:27:15,670 --> 00:27:18,060
how much impact it had.
420
00:27:18,060 --> 00:27:20,897
And knowing that that rock had caused it
421
00:27:20,897 --> 00:27:25,897
and that rock had a light and
that light, it came from God
422
00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:28,913
and it was the energy life force.
423
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:34,820
I realized in that moment
that it wasn't just about me.
424
00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:36,170
It was about each of us.
425
00:27:36,170 --> 00:27:40,810
Each of us are the rock,
each of us have that light,
426
00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:42,743
the light is from our Creator.
427
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,543
It's up to us if we choose
to shine that light or not.
428
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:55,730
I didn't think I could
handle anything else.
429
00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:57,910
I mean, this was so much information.
430
00:27:57,910 --> 00:28:01,723
It was really important
for me to remember it.
431
00:28:01,723 --> 00:28:04,010
And I thought we were done,
432
00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:07,020
but then God said to me, look again.
433
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:08,636
So I had to look to my right again.
434
00:28:08,636 --> 00:28:13,636
And in front of me this
time were these shelves,
435
00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:15,267
like bookshelves.
436
00:28:15,267 --> 00:28:19,680
And the shelves kept on going
past stars and galaxies.
437
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,370
And I remember looking behind me
438
00:28:21,370 --> 00:28:23,870
and the shelves kept on going.
439
00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:25,900
And all of a sudden appeared gifts,
440
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:27,770
presents like at Christmas time,
441
00:28:27,770 --> 00:28:30,790
and not one gift looked the same, not one.
442
00:28:30,790 --> 00:28:34,760
And God said to me, when you're born,
443
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,273
I give each and every one of you gifts.
444
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:41,620
I have more gifts for all of you
445
00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:46,140
and all you have to do to
get those gifts is ask,
446
00:28:46,140 --> 00:28:49,207
but then be quiet and listen.
447
00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:53,890
- Erica sees a much different life review.
448
00:28:53,890 --> 00:28:56,460
This review is centered around moments
449
00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:59,310
where she expressed love to strangers.
450
00:28:59,310 --> 00:29:02,253
She realized again that
she was not judged by God.
451
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,790
Then she saw God's arm
raise up into the sky
452
00:29:06,790 --> 00:29:09,560
and in God's palm was a rock.
453
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,873
God tells her that she was the rock.
454
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:16,233
She watched Him drop the rock
into the large body of water.
455
00:29:17,380 --> 00:29:21,010
The rock set off one ripple
that grew out forever.
456
00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:24,080
He tells her that the words
and actions are the ripple
457
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,703
that will effect mankind.
458
00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:39,370
- And when I was experiencing
this state of being,
459
00:29:39,370 --> 00:29:42,772
my mom finally made it home.
460
00:29:44,910 --> 00:29:47,850
So when my sister saw my mom,
461
00:29:47,850 --> 00:29:52,033
she said, Ingrid is there
and I cannot get her.
462
00:29:53,008 --> 00:29:55,920
This is another amazing thing,
463
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,160
these are the synchronicities in life.
464
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,160
My mom was a teacher and she
was trained CPR for children,
465
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,610
so she knew exactly what to do.
466
00:30:08,610 --> 00:30:12,216
This is how life is so incredible
467
00:30:12,216 --> 00:30:15,390
and it's when we realize
468
00:30:15,390 --> 00:30:18,027
that everything is meant
to be the way it is.
469
00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:23,870
So my mom went into the
tank and she pulled me out.
470
00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:26,340
She said I was like a raggedy doll.
471
00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:28,860
She said that I didn't
have, there was no pulse,
472
00:30:28,860 --> 00:30:30,100
I wasn't breathing,
473
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:35,060
that my entire body was no absolute color,
474
00:30:35,060 --> 00:30:36,859
my lips were blue.
475
00:30:36,859 --> 00:30:41,280
And she started to do what
she knew to revive me.
476
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,190
And at that moment, Craig,
I was so disconnected,
477
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:48,860
so detached from this
dimension, from this body,
478
00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:53,120
from this reality, that I did
not feel absolutely anything
479
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,453
that she was doing to me.
480
00:30:55,685 --> 00:31:00,170
I just was in my space of bliss
481
00:31:00,170 --> 00:31:04,630
when I fell again in just a flash,
482
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:06,270
there's nothing I could do.
483
00:31:06,270 --> 00:31:10,151
I was just falling and I felt this sense
484
00:31:10,151 --> 00:31:13,503
that I was being vacuum
pulled back into the body.
485
00:31:17,260 --> 00:31:19,450
And I knew I was back
when all of the feelings
486
00:31:19,450 --> 00:31:21,799
of coldness and discomfort,
487
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:25,810
feeling the lack of freedom, were back.
488
00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:29,143
And let me tell you, Craig,
I was not a happy person.
489
00:31:31,876 --> 00:31:34,230
- Ingrid's mother was rushing back home.
490
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:36,280
We learned that Ingrid's
mother was a schoolteacher
491
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,110
that just happened to be trained in CPR.
492
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:42,163
Ingrid believes that these are
the synchronicities of life.
493
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,490
It was as though her mother was
trained for this very moment
494
00:31:45,490 --> 00:31:46,443
to save her child.
495
00:31:47,310 --> 00:31:49,330
And after learning that
Ingrid was under the water,
496
00:31:49,330 --> 00:31:51,540
she quickly jumped in after her.
497
00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:54,260
Her mother managed to get
Ingrid out of the water,
498
00:31:54,260 --> 00:31:58,030
but at this point Ingrid was
already blue and had no pulse.
499
00:31:58,030 --> 00:32:02,160
Ingrid was completely unaware
that her mother had begun CPR.
500
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:02,993
Then in a flash,
501
00:32:02,993 --> 00:32:06,010
Ingrid was falling back
to earth into her body.
502
00:32:06,010 --> 00:32:08,380
Ingrid was back to feeling
that lack of freedom
503
00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:10,920
that she had just experienced.
504
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,543
Ingrid was not happy
to be back in her body.
505
00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:26,020
- At this point God directed
me to look to my left and down.
506
00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:30,380
And I looked down and it was almost as if
507
00:32:30,380 --> 00:32:32,950
it was always in front of me,
but I had never noticed it
508
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:35,720
until that moment when
God asked me to look.
509
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,463
And there was planet Earth.
510
00:32:38,780 --> 00:32:41,540
And we were a significant distance away
511
00:32:41,540 --> 00:32:44,280
and yet I had the ability to see.
512
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,300
I could see my family, where they were at,
513
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:48,400
my children, what they were doing.
514
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,940
And that's when I had this
knowing that yes, I'm a mom,
515
00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:52,773
my kids are little.
516
00:32:52,773 --> 00:32:55,490
Yes, technically the human
side says they need me,
517
00:32:55,490 --> 00:32:56,720
I need to go back.
518
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,280
But I was flooded with the
knowledge and the wisdom
519
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,940
that we're never separated.
520
00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:04,760
There is a bridge between heaven and earth
521
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,343
and we will always be with our loved ones.
522
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:13,650
The physical is so limiting
and there's so much more.
523
00:33:13,650 --> 00:33:17,250
And having this feeling, it was incredible
524
00:33:17,250 --> 00:33:18,710
and it just solidified
525
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:20,540
that I knew I wasn't going to go back.
526
00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:22,033
I wanted to stay.
527
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,020
This was the first and only time
528
00:33:29,020 --> 00:33:31,900
I felt this incredible amount of sadness
529
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:33,613
and it was coming from God.
530
00:33:34,819 --> 00:33:38,030
The best way I can try to put human words
531
00:33:38,030 --> 00:33:41,090
to the magnitude of sadness
that God was feeling
532
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:44,767
was I haven't lost a
child, but I can imagine--
533
00:33:46,580 --> 00:33:47,413
Sorry.
534
00:33:50,660 --> 00:33:52,650
My children, the most
important thing to me,
535
00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:55,640
and this feeling of this
tremendous amount of sadness
536
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,313
from God was like losing a child,
537
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,370
but times millions of children at once.
538
00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:08,010
The loss was that deep.
539
00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:11,610
I said to God, Your children
are okay, it's okay.
540
00:34:11,610 --> 00:34:13,150
Look, why are You sad?
541
00:34:13,150 --> 00:34:16,837
As if I were the expert telling
God to look on the planet
542
00:34:16,837 --> 00:34:18,863
to see His children were okay.
543
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:24,100
And as I said that, I go to look with God
544
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:27,370
and I see something I hadn't seen yet.
545
00:34:27,370 --> 00:34:29,550
Something was flickering off the planet.
546
00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:34,220
And so I remember trying
to focus my vision more.
547
00:34:34,220 --> 00:34:37,533
And as soon as I did that I
could see that they were flames.
548
00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:41,793
And there was flames engulfing the planet.
549
00:34:43,020 --> 00:34:47,950
I started having this
tremendous panic attack
550
00:34:47,950 --> 00:34:49,880
because the first thing I thought of is,
551
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,510
my children are down there, my family,
552
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:52,610
my loved ones are down there.
553
00:34:52,610 --> 00:34:54,419
God, help, what's happening?
554
00:34:54,419 --> 00:34:56,840
And as soon as I'm thinking this thought,
555
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,500
appeared in front of
me those glasses again.
556
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:03,400
And I knew from the first time,
557
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,910
I didn't have a choice
to put the glasses on
558
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:06,080
when they appeared.
559
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,720
And so I remember thinking,
560
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:10,420
I can't handle seeing
more than what I'm seeing.
561
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:11,350
And it didn't matter,
562
00:35:11,350 --> 00:35:13,520
as soon as I'm thinking
that human thought,
563
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,610
I felt my hands reaching for the glasses.
564
00:35:15,610 --> 00:35:19,010
I drawed them on my face once
more and then I had to look.
565
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:22,620
And I looked and this
time with God's glasses on
566
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:27,050
what I saw was between the
flames shooting off the earth,
567
00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:32,050
these silvery white almost
luminescent life force souls.
568
00:35:34,930 --> 00:35:37,510
And they were lifting off unscathed
569
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:40,750
in between the flames from planet earth.
570
00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:44,160
They were coming up behind us on my left
571
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,960
and into planet heaven
which I knew was behind me.
572
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,960
And as they would go by, I
could feel the love energy
573
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:54,340
that propelled them.
574
00:35:54,340 --> 00:35:56,210
It was the fuel.
575
00:35:56,210 --> 00:36:01,010
And I remember God still
having that sadness feeling.
576
00:36:01,010 --> 00:36:02,000
It wasn't lifted.
577
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,290
And here I was relieved
578
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:06,470
because I could feel people
that I knew, my loved ones,
579
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:09,250
going past me and I knew
it was heaven behind me
580
00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:10,720
and I knew that's where I wanted to be
581
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:11,910
and that's where the love was.
582
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:15,540
So I said, God, it's okay,
it's okay, look again.
583
00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:20,540
And that's when God said to
me, Erica, it's free will.
584
00:36:20,890 --> 00:36:22,960
And I said, what do you
mean it's free will?
585
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,320
They're coming in.
586
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,810
And God said, look.
587
00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:31,810
I looked again and this time
I saw past all the flames
588
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:37,100
and the souls lifting off
589
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:40,000
and I saw the core of
the earth on the ground
590
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,333
the souls that were not lifting off.
591
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,490
I remember panicking and asking God,
592
00:36:50,490 --> 00:36:51,510
why can't you save them?
593
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:54,090
Save them, can't you save them, too?
594
00:36:54,090 --> 00:36:57,960
And God said to me, Erica, it's free will.
595
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,620
Hand in hand with the gift
of life, I give free will.
596
00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:06,870
And I understood that
this meant that God loved
597
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:10,770
not some of us but each
and every one of us so much
598
00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:13,890
that it was the greatest
gift paired with life
599
00:37:13,890 --> 00:37:17,370
to choose to let us choose
600
00:37:17,370 --> 00:37:21,603
if we wanted to have that love
connection with our Creator.
601
00:37:23,410 --> 00:37:26,410
As a parent you think you know
what's best for your children
602
00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:30,180
and we are God's children,
603
00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:33,190
but yet God loved us so much
604
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:35,680
that He gave us that gift to choose
605
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,160
and didn't say, you have to
love Me, you have to choose Me.
606
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,800
It was choosing love connection.
607
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,770
And the souls that had not lifted off
608
00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:47,623
had chose to not have
that love connection.
609
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,610
So the sadness that I was feeling
610
00:37:51,610 --> 00:37:55,723
was for the ones that were left behind.
611
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,760
As soon as we got done seeing that,
612
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,180
I felt my attention directed to,
613
00:38:05,180 --> 00:38:07,260
this was now the first time
614
00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:09,610
that I was going to be
able to turn around.
615
00:38:09,610 --> 00:38:12,050
The whole time we had these
lessons and in heaven,
616
00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:15,400
I knew that heaven was behind me
617
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,110
but my focus needed to be in front.
618
00:38:19,110 --> 00:38:21,850
So this was the first time
I was told I could turn.
619
00:38:21,850 --> 00:38:23,803
And as I turn around,
620
00:38:25,961 --> 00:38:29,060
it's so hard to put into human words
621
00:38:29,060 --> 00:38:32,681
'cause really can't think of anything
622
00:38:32,681 --> 00:38:36,730
that gives it the justice,
the magnitude it deserves.
623
00:38:36,730 --> 00:38:41,303
But heaven was a planet.
624
00:38:52,170 --> 00:38:55,640
And it was so big in
comparison to the earth
625
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,943
that the earth is like
a speck of dust in size.
626
00:39:01,260 --> 00:39:05,120
As soon as I'm seeing this, I
have this natural propulsion
627
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,400
to wanna just start running to heaven
628
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,590
to catch up to the
other souls if you will.
629
00:39:10,590 --> 00:39:11,980
They had already gone in.
630
00:39:11,980 --> 00:39:14,650
And I thought the lessons were over.
631
00:39:14,650 --> 00:39:18,170
And the feelings that I had
felt that unconditional love
632
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:20,980
of not having separation
with our Creator anymore
633
00:39:20,980 --> 00:39:23,260
and knowing that I was home
634
00:39:23,260 --> 00:39:28,120
I really didn't think it'd
be possible to send me back.
635
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,930
So I remember feeling like I
was starting to run to heaven
636
00:39:31,930 --> 00:39:33,793
and being frozen in my tracks.
637
00:39:35,490 --> 00:39:37,523
And God said, wait a minute, child.
638
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,650
You're not staying.
639
00:39:40,650 --> 00:39:42,700
You're not staying, child.
640
00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:44,803
You work for Me now, remember?
641
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:49,950
And I had remembered in those
days leading up to my death
642
00:39:49,950 --> 00:39:52,430
that contract that I made with God,
643
00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:54,620
that if God would let
me live and help me heal
644
00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:57,153
and get healthy again,
I would work for God.
645
00:39:57,153 --> 00:39:58,153
I would do anything.
646
00:39:59,460 --> 00:40:00,840
And God held me to it.
647
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,003
I didn't think He was
watching, but He was.
648
00:40:04,590 --> 00:40:07,450
- Erica sees earth from a distance.
649
00:40:07,450 --> 00:40:10,363
She could also see her children
and what they were doing.
650
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:14,090
Erica could feel that
connection with her children
651
00:40:14,090 --> 00:40:16,523
even though they were
a great distance away.
652
00:40:17,952 --> 00:40:21,650
She then feels a sadness from God.
653
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:24,723
Erica is now shown earth
from a different perspective.
654
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,780
She's shown flames.
655
00:40:27,780 --> 00:40:31,233
She's then able to see earth
from yet another perspective.
656
00:40:32,260 --> 00:40:36,300
She watches souls leaving
earth and flying past her.
657
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:39,440
She learns about free will
and begins to feel the sadness
658
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,943
for the souls left behind on earth.
659
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:46,860
Erica is then allowed to see
heaven off in the distance.
660
00:40:46,860 --> 00:40:49,863
She's then reminded of a
deal that she made with Him.
661
00:41:00,020 --> 00:41:02,330
- When I came back,
662
00:41:02,330 --> 00:41:06,717
it was clear that I had an
awareness I did not have before.
663
00:41:07,630 --> 00:41:09,450
When I started to see my parents,
664
00:41:09,450 --> 00:41:11,700
I didn't even feel them as my parents.
665
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:14,203
I felt them as my equal.
666
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:20,240
I also had experienced
this sense of oneness
667
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:24,100
so for me that was a sense of equality
668
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:26,970
and the other thing I couldn't,
669
00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:28,747
I mean, for me, seeing this body
670
00:41:28,747 --> 00:41:31,670
was this sense, I am not that child.
671
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:33,830
I couldn't even relate
with all the children
672
00:41:33,830 --> 00:41:34,900
because to me it was like,
673
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:36,490
what is happening with these people?
674
00:41:36,490 --> 00:41:38,283
They don't know anything.
675
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,690
The other thing that I came with abilities
676
00:41:41,690 --> 00:41:42,890
I did not have before.
677
00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:44,870
Right after my near death experience,
678
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:47,650
I could read, I could write.
679
00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:50,030
I could solve mathematical problems.
680
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:54,730
I could put together complex puzzles.
681
00:41:54,730 --> 00:41:58,047
So this was something incredible.
682
00:41:58,047 --> 00:42:00,610
And even later in school,
683
00:42:00,610 --> 00:42:03,079
the more these abilities were developing,
684
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:07,020
to me it was like, whoa,
I'm not learning anything.
685
00:42:07,020 --> 00:42:08,710
I don't need to learn anything.
686
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:10,493
I am just remembering.
687
00:42:17,380 --> 00:42:21,310
There was also abilities
for me that at the moment
688
00:42:21,310 --> 00:42:24,360
I didn't know they were
something different
689
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,870
because I didn't know the
difference with other people.
690
00:42:27,870 --> 00:42:31,273
But later on, I realized
that I could see auras.
691
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:34,560
I could see beings of light.
692
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,650
So I could see things
other people couldn't see.
693
00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:39,890
I could see, communicate.
694
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:44,510
I could also later on in my
life when I was six years old
695
00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:47,700
I started to see what we call the spirits.
696
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:49,380
Since I was four years old,
697
00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:52,530
I started to have visions of the future.
698
00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:54,335
So throughout my life,
699
00:42:54,335 --> 00:42:57,410
I knew which career I was going to pick.
700
00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:59,650
At nine, I knew who I was going to marry.
701
00:42:59,650 --> 00:43:01,940
At 12, the places where
I was going to work.
702
00:43:01,940 --> 00:43:06,810
So I could smell things
that were not here.
703
00:43:06,810 --> 00:43:11,550
I could see, taste, hear, feel,
704
00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:14,830
so yeah, I had all these abilities.
705
00:43:14,830 --> 00:43:17,743
And through time I discovered
other people did not.
706
00:43:18,730 --> 00:43:20,553
I mean, all of us have them,
707
00:43:21,529 --> 00:43:24,410
but through time and
conditioning, people lose them
708
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:27,330
because we're told that it's not true.
709
00:43:27,330 --> 00:43:30,020
But for me, since I was this clean compass
710
00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:33,709
from the beginning, that was
the natural state of my being
711
00:43:33,709 --> 00:43:36,201
and it was just through time realizing
712
00:43:36,201 --> 00:43:38,510
all that was done have
the manifested like I do
713
00:43:40,460 --> 00:43:44,900
is being present in my life
through my entire life, Craig.
714
00:43:58,150 --> 00:44:02,480
To be free from the fear of death
715
00:44:04,410 --> 00:44:09,410
because I realized that
there is not death.
716
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,240
We are eternal beings.
717
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:21,060
I was so little when I already knew
718
00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:26,060
that I was eternal and that I
had come and gone many times,
719
00:44:29,327 --> 00:44:34,327
wore many different costumes.
720
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:39,970
- Ingrid has returned to
her three year old body.
721
00:44:39,970 --> 00:44:43,173
She immediately knew that
she now had an awareness.
722
00:44:44,090 --> 00:44:47,003
She also felt that her
parents were equal to her.
723
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:50,833
Ingrid no longer felt
that she was that child.
724
00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:55,183
She no longer could
relate to other children.
725
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,850
She instantly was able to read, write
726
00:44:58,850 --> 00:45:00,893
and solve mathematical problems.
727
00:45:01,770 --> 00:45:05,403
Ingrid describes it as not
a learning but a recalling.
728
00:45:06,940 --> 00:45:10,090
Not only were her
academic skills advanced,
729
00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:13,293
but these unusual spiritual
abilities appeared.
730
00:45:24,130 --> 00:45:25,650
- And before I could argue my case
731
00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:27,193
to stay with God in heaven
732
00:45:27,193 --> 00:45:29,740
because I couldn't fathom
He was sending me back,
733
00:45:29,740 --> 00:45:31,750
I remember feeling like I was pushed
734
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:34,880
from the top of my head
down into that tunnel,
735
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,873
the tunnel that I had
come up in to heaven.
736
00:45:37,873 --> 00:45:41,333
But this time, the tunnel
was completely different.
737
00:45:42,770 --> 00:45:45,573
This time, the tunnel
was completely confining.
738
00:45:48,030 --> 00:45:50,140
And I felt like I only had space
739
00:45:50,140 --> 00:45:51,710
to keep my hands by my sides.
740
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:53,940
I was standing upright and
it was completely dark;
741
00:45:53,940 --> 00:45:55,880
there was no light present.
742
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,760
And I didn't feel that
love sustaining connection,
743
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,200
that energy force, that life force,
744
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,910
like I did when I was coming up.
745
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:07,174
It was empty and I felt
alone for the first time
746
00:46:07,174 --> 00:46:09,412
in this whole experience.
747
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,160
I started slowing down in the tunnel
748
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,820
and I remember thinking,
okay, I can't see anything.
749
00:46:23,820 --> 00:46:25,430
That's one of my senses.
750
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:27,820
I can't feel anything 'cause I can't move.
751
00:46:27,820 --> 00:46:30,513
I'm stuck and I'm coming to a stop.
752
00:46:31,940 --> 00:46:34,800
And it was like this paralyzing panic.
753
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,500
And all of a sudden, I
have that realization,
754
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:40,350
I hear this buzzing noise.
755
00:46:40,350 --> 00:46:43,373
It sounded like white
noise like on a TV screen.
756
00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:46,460
And I thought, okay, this
is the only sense I have.
757
00:46:46,460 --> 00:46:49,100
I'm going to try to pay
attention and get help.
758
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:52,720
I'm stuck somewhere and I
need to get back down to earth
759
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:54,130
'cause God said I have this mission.
760
00:46:54,130 --> 00:46:54,963
I gotta get down there.
761
00:46:54,963 --> 00:46:56,320
I have no idea where I'm at.
762
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,150
And I remember paying attention
763
00:46:59,150 --> 00:47:02,090
and as I started paying
attention to that buzzing noise,
764
00:47:02,090 --> 00:47:03,650
it started getting louder and louder.
765
00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:06,850
And as it got louder,
it started pulling me
766
00:47:06,850 --> 00:47:08,550
out of the tunnel.
767
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:11,420
And I went from standing
up out of the tunnel
768
00:47:11,420 --> 00:47:14,410
to flat on my back with
my hands at my side
769
00:47:14,410 --> 00:47:16,710
and I remember floating to some distance.
770
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:18,850
It's still completely
dark, I can't see anything,
771
00:47:18,850 --> 00:47:20,260
there's no stars, nothing.
772
00:47:20,260 --> 00:47:23,010
And then I come to a
stop and I'm hovering.
773
00:47:23,010 --> 00:47:25,482
And as I'm hovering, that buzzing noise
774
00:47:25,482 --> 00:47:28,580
starts turning to this muffled (garbling)
775
00:47:28,580 --> 00:47:33,580
like garbled murmur times
hundreds and hundreds of people.
776
00:47:40,850 --> 00:47:44,020
Negativity, there was
loathing, self-loathing,
777
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:45,963
there was anger, there was hatred.
778
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:51,970
There was so much energy draining feeling
779
00:47:53,103 --> 00:47:58,103
that I felt if I listened, if
I was around this conversation
780
00:47:58,210 --> 00:48:02,107
any longer that I would
start getting sucked into it
781
00:48:02,107 --> 00:48:04,430
and my life force would be drained.
782
00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:07,610
And as soon as I had that
feeling, I was panicking
783
00:48:07,610 --> 00:48:11,690
because I didn't feel God
in this whole experience.
784
00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:13,713
As soon as I had that feeling,
785
00:48:14,670 --> 00:48:17,100
all I could do is cry out to God.
786
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:19,420
It was a telepathic communication again
787
00:48:19,420 --> 00:48:22,740
and I remember saying,
God help me, I love You.
788
00:48:22,740 --> 00:48:24,370
I didn't understand what was going on,
789
00:48:24,370 --> 00:48:25,510
especially after everything
790
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:27,760
that had just happened to me in heaven.
791
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,260
As soon as I cried out
792
00:48:29,260 --> 00:48:34,260
and I made that love
heartfelt connection to God,
793
00:48:34,330 --> 00:48:37,510
my light turned on in me
794
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:39,600
and I was the only light
in the whole place.
795
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,770
And as it illuminated
everything, I could see below me,
796
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:46,270
I was just hovering within
inches of all these people.
797
00:48:46,270 --> 00:48:48,680
And they were miserable in this pit.
798
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,387
And they could see me and
they started grabbing at me.
799
00:48:51,387 --> 00:48:54,750
And I remember feeling all the
detail, like their fingers.
800
00:48:54,750 --> 00:48:56,470
There was big hands,
there were small hands,
801
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:58,440
there were strong hands, weak.
802
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,793
And I could feel them grabbing
on trying to pull me down.
803
00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:05,350
I panicked and all I could
do is cry out to God.
804
00:49:05,350 --> 00:49:07,760
God, help me, I love You, please help me.
805
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,995
And I felt like if I would have
spent another moment there,
806
00:49:10,995 --> 00:49:13,988
all my life force
would've been drained out.
807
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,740
I was in the edge of hell.
808
00:49:21,740 --> 00:49:26,000
And so for the rest of the
time which felt like forever
809
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,440
getting back down to planet earth,
810
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,500
I spent having this
communication with God.
811
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:33,860
I love You, God, thank
You so much for loving me.
812
00:49:33,860 --> 00:49:36,900
And it was that force, again that fuel,
813
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:40,410
that sustained me, that
propelled me back down to earth
814
00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:42,270
where I found myself eventually
815
00:49:42,270 --> 00:49:44,000
on the emergency room ceiling
816
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,350
looking down at my
lifeless shell of a body
817
00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:50,913
and not wanting to go in but
having no choice at this point.
818
00:49:56,420 --> 00:49:59,010
The next morning I was greeted
by my attending physician
819
00:49:59,010 --> 00:50:01,960
and he came in and said,
good morning, Mrs. McKenzie,
820
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,950
how are you this morning?
821
00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:05,020
Well, it was so early in the morning
822
00:50:05,020 --> 00:50:07,370
I was still the only person in my room.
823
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:09,710
And as he came over to the bedside
824
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:12,510
to start doing the
health assessment for me,
825
00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:15,203
I remember reaching for
this pink little bedpan.
826
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:17,800
And I knew I was gonna throw up.
827
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,580
I couldn't even contain it.
828
00:50:19,580 --> 00:50:21,910
And as I'm reaching
for it, it was my voice
829
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:23,400
and it just came out of me.
830
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,353
There was no filter and it was,
Doctor, Doctor, oh my gosh,
831
00:50:25,353 --> 00:50:27,150
I have to tell you what happened to me.
832
00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:29,370
I've just been with God,
I've been in heaven.
833
00:50:29,370 --> 00:50:31,310
I've had all these
lessons, I had life reviews
834
00:50:31,310 --> 00:50:34,097
and I just was trying to
tell him what happened.
835
00:50:34,097 --> 00:50:36,323
He was the first person.
836
00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:40,480
And the poor guy, I
don't blame him at all,
837
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,480
but I literally watched all
the color just left his face.
838
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,720
He didn't even do the health assessment.
839
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:47,440
I was still trying to talk to him
840
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,090
and he left the room immediately.
841
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,350
A little nurse, she was so sweet.
842
00:50:52,350 --> 00:50:54,810
She came in, she had been
charting on me in the hallway.
843
00:50:54,810 --> 00:50:56,470
She shut the door and she came over
844
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:58,773
and she sat on the bedside and she said,
845
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,350
I just heard everything that
you said to that doctor.
846
00:51:04,350 --> 00:51:05,310
And I need to tell you
847
00:51:05,310 --> 00:51:07,970
and I need you to be quiet and listen.
848
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:10,110
That's a common theme for me.
849
00:51:10,110 --> 00:51:11,730
I was told that so many times
850
00:51:11,730 --> 00:51:13,613
through this entire experience.
851
00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:19,940
I've worked for that
doctor for seven years
852
00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:23,390
and I'm so sorry, child,
because I believe you.
853
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:25,440
I know where you've been.
854
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,660
But the first person that you
told about your experience
855
00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:31,753
to heaven and with God is an atheist.
856
00:51:38,170 --> 00:51:39,480
When the doctor had returned,
857
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,010
he returned with the nurse
later and they medicated me.
858
00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:44,589
And it was determined then
859
00:51:44,589 --> 00:51:49,589
that I probably had had some
sort of chemical imbalance
860
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:53,630
nervous breakdown, a late
set of bipolar disorder,
861
00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:58,450
which at 31 years old female is very rare.
862
00:51:58,450 --> 00:52:03,154
And because I shared that experience,
863
00:52:03,154 --> 00:52:06,990
there's this fine line
that happened looking back
864
00:52:06,990 --> 00:52:11,240
of the doctor taking that information
865
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:16,240
and putting his maybe bias feelings
866
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,434
of how he maybe felt about the afterlife
867
00:52:20,434 --> 00:52:23,090
and dismissing it as crazy.
868
00:52:23,090 --> 00:52:25,997
And so I was checked
into a psychiatric ward
869
00:52:25,997 --> 00:52:30,997
and medicated at one point up
to 12 different medications
870
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,660
for talking about the experience I had.
871
00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:37,820
And I learned really fast
that the more I shared
872
00:52:37,820 --> 00:52:40,390
and I felt like it was
this safe environment,
873
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:42,060
the more medications that I was on.
874
00:52:42,060 --> 00:52:44,750
So I learned pretty quickly,
it was a learning curve for me
875
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:47,220
not to talk about this,
to deny this experience
876
00:52:47,220 --> 00:52:48,420
so that I could get out.
877
00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:54,120
- Erica was being pushed back to earth.
878
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,070
She then entered a much different tunnel.
879
00:52:57,070 --> 00:53:00,383
This tunnel was dark and
left her feeling alone.
880
00:53:01,540 --> 00:53:04,320
She no longer felt that love.
881
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,870
Erica began to hear a white noise.
882
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:09,900
She then felt a pull to a negative place.
883
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:13,970
Erica then sees what she
calls the sea of souls.
884
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:17,767
She then feels the draining
energy effect of this place.
885
00:53:17,767 --> 00:53:20,893
Out of a state of panic,
Erica cries out to God.
886
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:24,050
Just then, she felt a light within her
887
00:53:24,050 --> 00:53:25,933
illuminate the souls below.
888
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,653
And like that, she was
gone from this place.
889
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:32,500
Now back in her body,
890
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:35,283
Erica blurts out her story to her doctor,
891
00:53:37,170 --> 00:53:40,653
but she's then medicated and
checked into a psych ward.
892
00:53:41,970 --> 00:53:42,996
She learned quickly
893
00:53:42,996 --> 00:53:46,163
of the dangers of talking
about her experience.
894
00:53:56,865 --> 00:54:00,560
- So I was a 38 year old college professor
895
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,780
and I was an atheist in my teen years
896
00:54:03,780 --> 00:54:06,700
because of all the things
that were taking place
897
00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:09,240
in my family and in the culture.
898
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:13,550
This was back in the 60s, the mid 60s.
899
00:54:13,550 --> 00:54:16,850
It just made no sense to go to church.
900
00:54:16,850 --> 00:54:18,710
Church was boring.
901
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:21,500
It was silly, it was archaic.
902
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:25,740
I became a modern person,
someone who believed in science.
903
00:54:25,740 --> 00:54:30,220
If you can see it, touch it
and measure it, it's real.
904
00:54:30,220 --> 00:54:33,440
And if you can't, it's superstition,
905
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,730
it's nonsense, it's silly.
906
00:54:35,730 --> 00:54:39,260
And by the time I was
17 and went to college
907
00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:41,380
and took a philosophy
class from an atheist,
908
00:54:41,380 --> 00:54:44,846
I had become a full-blown atheist.
909
00:54:44,846 --> 00:54:46,440
And I was interested in my career,
910
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,930
I was interested in my own
gratification of my pleasures
911
00:54:50,930 --> 00:54:54,564
and I didn't really care
that much about other people.
912
00:55:00,183 --> 00:55:01,320
It was the most acute pain
913
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,950
I had ever experienced in my life.
914
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:05,230
I had been in accidents, I've
been hospitalized before,
915
00:55:05,230 --> 00:55:07,610
but this was way over the top.
916
00:55:07,610 --> 00:55:10,390
When it hit, I thought
I'd been shot by a bullet
917
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:12,640
in the center of my abdomen.
918
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,260
It dropped me to the ground,
919
00:55:14,260 --> 00:55:17,360
thrashing, screaming,
hollering and in terror
920
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,259
because I didn't know what was going on.
921
00:55:19,259 --> 00:55:24,050
My wife called the desk at the hotel
922
00:55:24,050 --> 00:55:25,640
and they called an emergency service.
923
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,050
A very nice doctor came,
got me up off the floor,
924
00:55:28,050 --> 00:55:29,320
examined me and within minutes
925
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,480
he knew exactly what was wrong.
926
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,030
He told me that I had to
have surgery immediately
927
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:34,480
or I would die.
928
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:35,430
I was parked in a room.
929
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:37,683
Unfortunately, there
was no doctor available
930
00:55:37,683 --> 00:55:39,610
because it was a Saturday.
931
00:55:39,610 --> 00:55:40,790
No surgeon available.
932
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:43,120
So I was never under the care of a doctor.
933
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,793
I was given no medication whatsoever.
934
00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:48,670
And I was left that way for 10 hours.
935
00:55:48,670 --> 00:55:51,540
The pain went from I
thought the top of my head
936
00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:53,260
was gonna blow off because of the pain.
937
00:55:53,260 --> 00:55:55,912
It was incredibly difficult to believe.
938
00:55:59,180 --> 00:56:01,020
To worse and worse and worse
939
00:56:01,020 --> 00:56:05,320
because the hydrochloric
acid and digestive juices
940
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,610
and enzymes and bacteria
and all that good stuff
941
00:56:07,610 --> 00:56:11,679
that dissolves your food
was now dissolving me
942
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:14,420
and it went from my groin up to my neck.
943
00:56:14,420 --> 00:56:16,770
So it was just like a wall of pain.
944
00:56:16,770 --> 00:56:18,330
I couldn't talk, I couldn't think,
945
00:56:18,330 --> 00:56:19,390
I couldn't do anything
946
00:56:19,390 --> 00:56:21,980
except I was very focused on breathing
947
00:56:21,980 --> 00:56:23,822
because I was terrified of dying
948
00:56:23,822 --> 00:56:26,240
'cause I knew that when
you died, it was all over.
949
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:27,514
I was 38 years old.
950
00:56:27,514 --> 00:56:29,608
Things were going pretty well for me
951
00:56:29,608 --> 00:56:31,630
and I didn't want to die.
952
00:56:31,630 --> 00:56:33,490
And I kept wondering,
this can't be happening,
953
00:56:33,490 --> 00:56:34,420
this can't be real.
954
00:56:34,420 --> 00:56:36,923
This just, why is this happening to me?
955
00:56:44,830 --> 00:56:48,350
Very upsetting was I noticed
that in the bed I had occupied
956
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:51,450
was a piece of meat
957
00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:56,450
and when I looked at the face
of that dead piece of meat,
958
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:59,763
it looked exactly like me.
959
00:57:01,252 --> 00:57:05,270
But being a rational human
being, I knew that it wasn't me
960
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:06,880
because I was standing there looking at it
961
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,380
and you can't be standing over
yourself looking at yourself.
962
00:57:10,380 --> 00:57:11,293
That's impossible.
963
00:57:13,070 --> 00:57:14,350
But it was very confusing
964
00:57:14,350 --> 00:57:18,120
because I knew that that thing
had been me but it wasn't me
965
00:57:19,130 --> 00:57:20,360
and yet I was more alive
966
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,123
than I've ever been in my whole life.
967
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:29,763
I died.
968
00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:35,450
And because I didn't have any
theological background at all
969
00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:38,213
or religious background
at all as an adult,
970
00:57:39,232 --> 00:57:43,250
I thought that I'd gone down
the sewer pipe of the universe
971
00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:45,922
into the cesspool.
972
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,100
And that I was being
processed into becoming
973
00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:58,173
the raw sewage stuff these
other people had become.
974
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,670
That's when I knew that
I wasn't coming back
975
00:58:02,670 --> 00:58:04,523
to this world ever again.
976
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,110
- Howard was a college professor
who believed in atheism.
977
00:58:11,110 --> 00:58:14,113
According to Howard,
religion was a waste of time.
978
00:58:15,230 --> 00:58:17,398
Howard also cared less about others.
979
00:58:17,398 --> 00:58:19,630
And while visiting in Paris,
980
00:58:19,630 --> 00:58:21,493
Howard dropped to his knees in pain.
981
00:58:22,450 --> 00:58:25,610
He needed surgery or he would die.
982
00:58:25,610 --> 00:58:29,133
With no surgeons available,
Howard was left in a room.
983
00:58:30,380 --> 00:58:33,303
Oddly, Howard found himself
looking down at his body.
984
00:58:34,410 --> 00:58:37,403
Next, Howard was being
pulled out of his room.
985
00:58:38,310 --> 00:58:40,570
He then realized he was going down
986
00:58:40,570 --> 00:58:42,623
into the cesspool of earth.
987
00:58:44,180 --> 00:58:48,290
Howard realized that he was
being processed into hell
988
00:58:48,290 --> 00:58:50,163
and he knew he wasn't coming back.
989
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,830
- When I was a senior in college
at the University of Texas,
990
00:59:02,830 --> 00:59:05,227
I had a head-on collision.
991
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,600
This accident broke my
back in three places
992
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,618
and I was waiting
desperately for an ambulance.
993
00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:24,690
Be calm, be very still,
994
00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:26,680
I think that you have a very bad injury
995
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,780
and they're gonna need
to put you on a board
996
00:59:28,780 --> 00:59:30,630
and you're gonna be taken to the ER.
997
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:33,800
And so she held my hand in those moments
998
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,320
and I felt as if she
was the good Samaritan
999
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:37,250
I had been waiting for.
1000
00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:38,600
It was terrifying.
1001
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,210
I was agnostic at the time,
1002
00:59:40,210 --> 00:59:43,810
so when I think of the prayer
that I said at that moment,
1003
00:59:43,810 --> 00:59:45,650
it was more like a foxhole prayer.
1004
00:59:45,650 --> 00:59:49,960
I looked up at the sky and I
said, God, if there's a God,
1005
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,540
help me out of this situation.
1006
00:59:51,540 --> 00:59:53,034
I have no control.
1007
00:59:59,330 --> 01:00:01,410
Everything was out of my control.
1008
01:00:01,410 --> 01:00:05,030
What surgeon I would get,
how this would all play out.
1009
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:06,910
I was 22 and had grown up poor,
1010
01:00:06,910 --> 01:00:10,560
so I didn't think about
getting health insurance
1011
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,110
when I waited in that ER.
1012
01:00:13,110 --> 01:00:18,110
I knew my back was broken, I
had a CAT scan and several MRIs
1013
01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:22,460
and yet they would not
give me any painkillers
1014
01:00:22,460 --> 01:00:25,660
because they needed a surgeon to sign off
1015
01:00:25,660 --> 01:00:27,680
and say that they were
taking me into surgery.
1016
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,610
So I was in enormous pain.
1017
01:00:30,610 --> 01:00:32,917
The physical pain was unbelievable
1018
01:00:32,917 --> 01:00:35,380
and I would scream and cry
1019
01:00:35,380 --> 01:00:38,850
and eventually I just ran out of energy.
1020
01:00:38,850 --> 01:00:42,290
And I remember saying
a lot of choice words
1021
01:00:42,290 --> 01:00:43,920
when I heard that this one surgeon
1022
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,060
was not going to operate on me.
1023
01:00:46,060 --> 01:00:48,160
I heard nurses talking about it
1024
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:53,160
and he refused to come in because he said
1025
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:54,630
that he didn't want to operate on someone
1026
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:56,480
who didn't have health insurance.
1027
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,110
And that hit me so hard.
1028
01:00:58,110 --> 01:01:00,980
I thought, here I am trying
to struggle in this world,
1029
01:01:00,980 --> 01:01:02,840
trying to get to that next level
1030
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,550
and someone doesn't care about me.
1031
01:01:04,550 --> 01:01:06,583
I'm just money.
1032
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:13,900
It terrified me.
1033
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:15,890
Well, an off-duty surgeon came by.
1034
01:01:15,890 --> 01:01:19,030
She had been on duty for a long time
1035
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:21,440
and I grabbed her arm and I said,
1036
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:22,960
look, this is serious.
1037
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,200
If I can't walk, I do not
think I will have a long life.
1038
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,420
I'll probably kill myself.
1039
01:01:27,420 --> 01:01:29,580
This is horrible.
1040
01:01:29,580 --> 01:01:32,570
Because at that time, I
had lost feeling in my leg.
1041
01:01:32,570 --> 01:01:36,350
When they were touching my
toes, I could not feel them
1042
01:01:36,350 --> 01:01:37,650
and I knew what this meant.
1043
01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:41,067
I knew this meant that, you
know, my spine was compromised.
1044
01:01:41,067 --> 01:01:44,950
So eventually she went home, had dinner,
1045
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:47,088
came back and took me into surgery.
1046
01:01:47,088 --> 01:01:49,380
And I remember signing that form
1047
01:01:49,380 --> 01:01:53,045
and it said 17% chance of death.
1048
01:01:53,045 --> 01:01:55,550
And I thought, that's oddly specific,
1049
01:01:55,550 --> 01:01:58,290
but I'm young and what does it matter?
1050
01:01:58,290 --> 01:02:00,600
I will sign this form
because I really hope
1051
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,176
I come out of this surgery and can walk.
1052
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,860
When I was wheeled into surgery,
1053
01:02:11,860 --> 01:02:16,170
the last thing I expected
was for my spirit form
1054
01:02:16,170 --> 01:02:18,370
to leave my body.
1055
01:02:18,370 --> 01:02:21,200
But at some point during that surgery,
1056
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,680
probably midway through,
my spirit left my body
1057
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,870
and I saw that my back was
opened up, very long incision.
1058
01:02:29,870 --> 01:02:32,610
I had completely
shattered T 10, 11 and 12.
1059
01:02:32,610 --> 01:02:34,360
They just were nonexistent.
1060
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:39,343
And they were picking the bone
fragments out of my spine.
1061
01:02:48,510 --> 01:02:50,900
I was in absolute awe.
1062
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:55,900
The way I describe it is I
felt like exactly like myself,
1063
01:02:56,450 --> 01:03:01,230
but in spirit form and
kind of above the surgeon,
1064
01:03:01,230 --> 01:03:04,900
so I was looking down at them
as they were working on me
1065
01:03:04,900 --> 01:03:07,220
and I was amazed at how
much blood there was.
1066
01:03:07,220 --> 01:03:08,780
That was my first thought.
1067
01:03:08,780 --> 01:03:10,866
It looked like something
from the Civil War.
1068
01:03:10,866 --> 01:03:12,600
It just looked gruesome.
1069
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,480
And I remember thinking,
is there something wrong?
1070
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,650
Should there be this much blood?
1071
01:03:17,650 --> 01:03:20,300
And yet at the same time
1072
01:03:20,300 --> 01:03:24,210
being an agnostic going into
surgery, I was thrilled.
1073
01:03:24,210 --> 01:03:26,100
I knew this consciousness
1074
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:28,300
to be something that survives death.
1075
01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:32,280
I knew that I felt smarter, clearer,
1076
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,510
more intense outside of body.
1077
01:03:34,510 --> 01:03:37,460
And then the most amazing thing happened.
1078
01:03:37,460 --> 01:03:40,170
There were these very large beings.
1079
01:03:40,170 --> 01:03:42,440
I didn't call them angels at first.
1080
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:43,560
I didn't know what they were.
1081
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,600
They were light beings
about nine feet tall,
1082
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,160
eight, nine feet tall.
1083
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,680
But immediately I was stunned.
1084
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,990
I knew that they were
intelligent and powerful
1085
01:03:54,990 --> 01:03:56,730
and there to calm me down.
1086
01:03:56,730 --> 01:04:00,945
So when they sent this
light into my spirit form,
1087
01:04:00,945 --> 01:04:04,280
I calmed down, I felt at ease.
1088
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,700
I knew that this spirit
form is more important
1089
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:10,530
than the body that I was
observing on the table.
1090
01:04:10,530 --> 01:04:13,240
And they told me, though,
that I would walk.
1091
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,650
I would be fine, everything would be okay.
1092
01:04:16,650 --> 01:04:18,750
And they were almost playful.
1093
01:04:18,750 --> 01:04:20,890
They spoke with telepathy.
1094
01:04:20,890 --> 01:04:22,560
These words came right at me
1095
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,240
and the words were, watch this.
1096
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:28,900
And when they said this,
they sent beams of light
1097
01:04:28,900 --> 01:04:31,650
through the backs of the
doctors, through their hands
1098
01:04:31,650 --> 01:04:33,930
and my whole spine and my whole body
1099
01:04:33,930 --> 01:04:35,050
lit up with this light.
1100
01:04:35,050 --> 01:04:38,860
And I knew this light to
be healing, intelligence,
1101
01:04:38,860 --> 01:04:42,000
communication and that they
were assisting the doctors.
1102
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,810
But what amazed me was that angels
1103
01:04:44,810 --> 01:04:46,740
worked through the surgeons.
1104
01:04:46,740 --> 01:04:49,516
And I had enough of an
awareness or a knowing
1105
01:04:49,516 --> 01:04:53,870
to realize that the two
surgeons didn't know this.
1106
01:04:53,870 --> 01:04:56,940
And I realized it and I thought,
I wanna take that with me.
1107
01:04:56,940 --> 01:04:59,110
Maybe angels can work through me.
1108
01:04:59,110 --> 01:05:01,700
Maybe these beings can
work through all of us.
1109
01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:03,490
Maybe they do and we're not aware of it.
1110
01:05:03,490 --> 01:05:06,150
So that was really my first lesson
1111
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:07,530
in the near death experience.
1112
01:05:07,530 --> 01:05:09,787
But at that moment,
the monitor flat lined.
1113
01:05:11,850 --> 01:05:15,280
And I have talked with
anesthesiologists later,
1114
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,810
but I know that that's
probably a nightmare
1115
01:05:17,810 --> 01:05:19,520
when someone's back is opened up
1116
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,300
and they have to be revived.
1117
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:24,730
So I had this idea that
I'd have to be flipped over
1118
01:05:24,730 --> 01:05:26,790
and there was already so much blood
1119
01:05:26,790 --> 01:05:28,340
and I did not want to see that.
1120
01:05:32,820 --> 01:05:36,360
My spirit form knew that
it could leave the hospital
1121
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,190
and it left the operating room
1122
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:42,550
and it simply just went into a hallway.
1123
01:05:42,550 --> 01:05:46,760
I ended up in this hallway
where I saw my stepdad.
1124
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,920
My mother had remarried
when I was in college
1125
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,270
and I didn't know him that well.
1126
01:05:50,270 --> 01:05:54,510
I only knew him as this fastidious person
1127
01:05:54,510 --> 01:05:59,300
who cared a lot about health
and he would make fun of people
1128
01:05:59,300 --> 01:06:03,060
who ate candy or Cokes or
anything that was not healthy.
1129
01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:06,120
Well, I saw him at a vending
machine getting a Snickers bar
1130
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:07,730
and I thought, that's funny.
1131
01:06:07,730 --> 01:06:12,560
Usually he only eats an
apple as a snack or carrots
1132
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:16,360
and I thought maybe he has
this secret sugar addiction.
1133
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,963
And that's all that I
thought in that moment.
1134
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:23,963
- Tricia was involved in a
devastating head-on collision.
1135
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,293
Out of desperation, she says a prayer.
1136
01:06:28,290 --> 01:06:29,993
She's then rushed to the hospital.
1137
01:06:30,830 --> 01:06:34,350
With a broken back, Tricia
waits in pain for hours
1138
01:06:34,350 --> 01:06:36,063
for a surgeon to operate on her.
1139
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:39,950
After finding out that
Tricia had no insurance,
1140
01:06:39,950 --> 01:06:42,317
the surgeon refuses to operate on her.
1141
01:06:43,310 --> 01:06:45,190
Then, out of the grace of God,
1142
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:47,063
another surgeon agrees to help her.
1143
01:06:48,224 --> 01:06:51,360
And with a 17% chance of death,
1144
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,350
Tricia finally goes into surgery.
1145
01:06:54,350 --> 01:06:55,530
She then leaves her body
1146
01:06:55,530 --> 01:06:57,883
and floats above the operating theater.
1147
01:06:59,190 --> 01:07:02,693
All of a sudden, three giant
beings of light appear.
1148
01:07:04,070 --> 01:07:06,160
They tell her everything
is going to be okay
1149
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,490
and they begin to heal her,
1150
01:07:08,490 --> 01:07:12,193
but then Tricia's heart
stops and she flat lines.
1151
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:15,110
Becoming too unbearable to watch,
1152
01:07:15,110 --> 01:07:17,373
Tricia's spirit leaves the operating room.
1153
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,652
She drifts into the hospital hall
1154
01:07:20,652 --> 01:07:23,730
and sees her stepfather
at a vending machine.
1155
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:38,640
- After I was torn apart
by the people in that place
1156
01:07:40,030 --> 01:07:42,788
and prayed and called out to Jesus.
1157
01:07:42,788 --> 01:07:43,880
Help, help!
1158
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:48,880
He came and healed me, restored
me back to my wholeness
1159
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,400
and loved me and embraced
me and he carried me upward
1160
01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:58,330
like a helicopter ride.
1161
01:07:58,330 --> 01:08:00,960
We started moving more and more rapidly
1162
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,663
and I knew we were traveling
at a great speed through space.
1163
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:12,480
And I was trying to get
my composure together
1164
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,510
because I was crying like
I had never cried before
1165
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:20,373
out of joy of being embraced
by him and being loved by him.
1166
01:08:21,420 --> 01:08:23,353
And I looked up and we were headed towards
1167
01:08:23,353 --> 01:08:25,670
what I first thought was a galaxy
1168
01:08:25,670 --> 01:08:29,260
and then I realized that it
wasn't a galaxy of stars,
1169
01:08:29,260 --> 01:08:30,570
it was a galaxy of beings.
1170
01:08:30,570 --> 01:08:31,513
Very, very big.
1171
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,840
I mean, seriously billions
and trillions and trillions
1172
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,280
of beings coming and going
in this great center of light
1173
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:51,000
and then I felt even greater
love coming from this galaxy.
1174
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:56,000
And I thought to myself,
oh, that's where God is.
1175
01:09:02,350 --> 01:09:05,780
And I thought to myself,
He's made a terrible mistake.
1176
01:09:05,780 --> 01:09:09,360
I'm garbage, He should
put me back where I was.
1177
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,790
And with that, we stopped
outside this galaxy
1178
01:09:12,790 --> 01:09:15,430
which I'll now refer to as heaven
1179
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:19,007
and He spoke to me for the
first time telepathically
1180
01:09:19,007 --> 01:09:22,200
and said, we don't make mistakes.
1181
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:23,183
You belong here.
1182
01:09:28,130 --> 01:09:32,070
The thing that is interesting
about my experience
1183
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:34,430
is that when I died,
1184
01:09:34,430 --> 01:09:39,430
I was carrying my knowledge and perception
1185
01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:42,780
and experience of my body with me.
1186
01:09:42,780 --> 01:09:47,780
When I was with Jesus, I realized
that that was all changing
1187
01:09:48,350 --> 01:09:51,534
and I was becoming more like the angels
1188
01:09:51,534 --> 01:09:55,100
which is instead of
being opaque and heavy,
1189
01:09:55,100 --> 01:09:59,150
I was getting at first light-emitting
1190
01:09:59,150 --> 01:10:02,480
and becoming more and more transparent.
1191
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:04,250
I still had the shape,
1192
01:10:04,250 --> 01:10:08,530
but I was beginning to see
into and through myself
1193
01:10:08,530 --> 01:10:10,860
and I wasn't seeing
blood vessels and nerves
1194
01:10:10,860 --> 01:10:13,860
and bones and sinew and tendons.
1195
01:10:13,860 --> 01:10:17,750
I was seeing these
wonderful colors of light.
1196
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:21,920
So I was becoming a light
being like the angels were,
1197
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,160
but most importantly, I was emitting light
1198
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,113
not an opaque being that
only absorbed light.
1199
01:10:30,330 --> 01:10:35,330
I was amazed and delighted
with my expanded vision.
1200
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:40,600
When I went up near heaven
and into heaven with Jesus,
1201
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:43,150
something very interesting happened.
1202
01:10:43,150 --> 01:10:45,960
I began to see colors that
I never experienced before.
1203
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,660
And as an artist and one
who taught color theory
1204
01:10:49,660 --> 01:10:52,120
like practically every
semester to the students
1205
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,870
which is pretty simple
when you break it down.
1206
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:57,599
You know, cones and rods.
1207
01:10:57,599 --> 01:11:01,077
The cones pick up three
different wavelengths of light
1208
01:11:01,077 --> 01:11:03,220
and the primary colors,
the secondary colors,
1209
01:11:03,220 --> 01:11:04,460
the tertiary colors.
1210
01:11:04,460 --> 01:11:07,130
So I'm trying to figure this
all out with all these colors
1211
01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:09,880
I had no name for and had
never experienced before.
1212
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,820
And I realize that there's no way
1213
01:11:11,820 --> 01:11:14,430
I was going to figure it all out.
1214
01:11:14,430 --> 01:11:16,460
Lots and lots of beautiful colors
1215
01:11:16,460 --> 01:11:19,230
that I don't have words for.
1216
01:11:19,230 --> 01:11:20,670
And you know, the weird thing is,
1217
01:11:20,670 --> 01:11:23,540
when I go to the art supply
store and buy pigments
1218
01:11:23,540 --> 01:11:28,405
so that I can make those
colors, they don't sell them.
1219
01:11:34,450 --> 01:11:36,153
There are multidimensions.
1220
01:11:43,156 --> 01:11:47,520
And so real space travel,
the real space travel,
1221
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,950
is moving dimensionally
from one vibratory state
1222
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:54,083
into a different universe altogether.
1223
01:11:56,520 --> 01:12:00,650
It's not really going great distances
1224
01:12:00,650 --> 01:12:05,027
so much as it is moving through
different states of being
1225
01:12:05,027 --> 01:12:08,270
and I believe as theoretical
physicists believe
1226
01:12:08,270 --> 01:12:13,270
and as Jesus told me that
there's many different universes
1227
01:12:13,610 --> 01:12:17,490
all operating with different physical laws
1228
01:12:17,490 --> 01:12:19,400
and different states.
1229
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:24,400
I was far away from earth but
not as we know time and space.
1230
01:12:25,970 --> 01:12:29,321
I was in a different plane of existence
1231
01:12:29,321 --> 01:12:33,390
which is both far and
close at the same time.
1232
01:12:33,390 --> 01:12:34,540
I know that sounds strange,
1233
01:12:34,540 --> 01:12:37,960
but these things do not meet
1234
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,280
our linear understanding of time and space
1235
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:45,070
which is how we operate and
it works well for us here,
1236
01:12:45,070 --> 01:12:47,711
but it's not the only reality.
1237
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,670
When Jesus took me out to
the outskirts of heaven,
1238
01:12:55,670 --> 01:12:57,404
he called forth a group of angels
1239
01:12:57,404 --> 01:13:00,050
and he said they recorded my life
1240
01:13:00,050 --> 01:13:02,260
and they wanted to show it to
me and we went through my life
1241
01:13:02,260 --> 01:13:06,840
from my birth up until before I died.
1242
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,940
And it started off really
fun in my childhood
1243
01:13:09,940 --> 01:13:14,940
and then as the family
dissonance began to develop
1244
01:13:16,700 --> 01:13:21,700
in my early adolescence
and into my teenage years,
1245
01:13:21,964 --> 01:13:26,230
I withdrew emotionally
because it was very painful
1246
01:13:26,230 --> 01:13:29,580
to be engaged with my
family, extremely painful.
1247
01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:34,570
So I withdrew and became detached,
1248
01:13:34,570 --> 01:13:37,453
just cared about myself
for self-preservation.
1249
01:13:38,884 --> 01:13:42,460
They were not happy with how that all went
1250
01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:46,740
and not happy with how I
tried to live my mature life
1251
01:13:46,740 --> 01:13:49,470
which was take care of my own needs
1252
01:13:49,470 --> 01:13:52,251
and not worry about anybody else.
1253
01:13:52,251 --> 01:13:57,251
They weren't judging me,
they were just expressing
1254
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,880
their great sorrow and disappointment.
1255
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:05,880
And it felt terrible, frankly,
to be such a disappointment
1256
01:14:06,030 --> 01:14:10,630
to these people who had been
so kind and loving towards me,
1257
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:13,109
that I had utterly failed them.
1258
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:22,420
When Jesus told me that I had
to come back to this world
1259
01:14:22,420 --> 01:14:25,750
and try and live it the
way that I had been created
1260
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:27,130
in the first place to live
1261
01:14:27,130 --> 01:14:32,130
which is living lovingly,
kindly, compassionately,
1262
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:37,004
putting other people's needs
and interests ahead of my own.
1263
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:49,660
I was willing to give that a try,
1264
01:14:49,660 --> 01:14:50,860
but I wanted to go to heaven
1265
01:14:50,860 --> 01:14:53,200
because Jesus had given
me a tour of heaven
1266
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:54,930
and heaven is the most interesting,
1267
01:14:54,930 --> 01:14:56,690
wonderful, exciting place in the universe
1268
01:14:56,690 --> 01:14:59,573
because you can't begin
to describe heaven.
1269
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:06,040
In fact, in truth, everything
that's good that ever was,
1270
01:15:06,570 --> 01:15:10,157
that ever will be and
that is is in heaven.
1271
01:15:11,154 --> 01:15:12,808
And that would be worth exploring
1272
01:15:12,808 --> 01:15:17,808
for the next billion times a
billion times a billion years.
1273
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:22,560
And becoming familiar
with all that goodness
1274
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:23,393
and all that love.
1275
01:15:23,393 --> 01:15:27,180
And of course the ultimate
centerpiece of heaven is God
1276
01:15:27,180 --> 01:15:29,960
and that is the goal of
every being in heaven
1277
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,980
is to ultimately go into proximity
1278
01:15:33,980 --> 01:15:35,533
and complete union with God.
1279
01:15:45,020 --> 01:15:48,200
Jesus having shown me
that, I thought I was ready
1280
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,787
and he told me no, you got
to come back to this world.
1281
01:15:50,787 --> 01:15:54,750
We had a big argument and
he convinced me ultimately
1282
01:15:54,750 --> 01:15:58,852
that it would be in my best
interest to do this thing
1283
01:15:58,852 --> 01:16:01,490
called life in this world
1284
01:16:01,490 --> 01:16:03,290
and do it to the best of my ability.
1285
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,660
- Howard was finally taken
out of that hellish place.
1286
01:16:08,660 --> 01:16:11,830
He was now being taken to
a much different place.
1287
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:14,473
He then saw a galaxy of
beings in the distance.
1288
01:16:15,630 --> 01:16:17,993
Howard was then shown where God was.
1289
01:16:18,940 --> 01:16:21,400
He felt that God had made a mistake
1290
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,150
and that He should have left
him in that hellish place.
1291
01:16:25,020 --> 01:16:27,823
Howard then noticed he
began changing form.
1292
01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:31,563
He was also amazed this
his new expansive vision.
1293
01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:36,133
He then began to see colors
that he had never seen before.
1294
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:40,433
Then Howard began traveling
into multidimensions.
1295
01:16:41,380 --> 01:16:43,460
After getting a glimpse of heaven,
1296
01:16:43,460 --> 01:16:45,793
he was told that he had
to go back to earth.
1297
01:16:58,850 --> 01:17:00,470
- As I was leaving the hospital,
1298
01:17:00,470 --> 01:17:03,230
I was in the night sky above Austin
1299
01:17:03,230 --> 01:17:04,690
and it was beautiful.
1300
01:17:04,690 --> 01:17:06,490
I just felt so free,
1301
01:17:06,490 --> 01:17:09,710
the way a bird would
feel flying over the sky.
1302
01:17:09,710 --> 01:17:14,290
And I started feeling my
soul merge and connect
1303
01:17:14,290 --> 01:17:16,300
with everyone I had known
1304
01:17:16,300 --> 01:17:20,270
and I wanted to simply say to
everyone at the soul level,
1305
01:17:20,270 --> 01:17:22,940
even if it was a barista at a coffee shop
1306
01:17:22,940 --> 01:17:25,520
and this person had
simply handed me a coffee,
1307
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:30,520
I just wanted to say, have a
great life, enjoy it, be happy,
1308
01:17:31,130 --> 01:17:34,250
I wish you well, I might
be leaving this place.
1309
01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:38,100
And it was just my way
of going, hey, I love you
1310
01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:40,130
and that's all there really is.
1311
01:17:40,130 --> 01:17:42,180
Like at that soul level,
1312
01:17:42,180 --> 01:17:45,390
any bitterness or any pain or anything
1313
01:17:45,390 --> 01:17:48,780
that we think we are attached to,
1314
01:17:48,780 --> 01:17:51,180
we're not attached to at that soul level.
1315
01:17:51,180 --> 01:17:53,999
And I realized that in that moment.
1316
01:17:53,999 --> 01:17:56,621
Then the night sky transitioned
1317
01:17:56,621 --> 01:17:59,920
into what looked like outer space.
1318
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:01,870
There were a ton of stars
1319
01:18:01,870 --> 01:18:05,650
and I just seemed to be
floating in the universe.
1320
01:18:05,650 --> 01:18:08,420
I started to hear different messages
1321
01:18:08,420 --> 01:18:11,250
coming from a light that was far away.
1322
01:18:11,250 --> 01:18:14,300
I didn't feel alone or scared.
1323
01:18:14,300 --> 01:18:16,500
I felt free and supported.
1324
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:19,490
And one of the first messages I heard was,
1325
01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:22,170
love is all that matters and
all that we take with us.
1326
01:18:22,170 --> 01:18:25,500
And again, it was communicated
in that form of telepathy,
1327
01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:29,760
this light simply coming through
me and connecting with me.
1328
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,000
And I thought, okay, that's
a pretty simple message,
1329
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,250
but the angels told me I'm coming back.
1330
01:18:35,250 --> 01:18:37,830
Maybe you need to give me
something a little more than that.
1331
01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:41,910
That may not be enough for
me to bring back to humanity.
1332
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:45,060
And I heard, remind them to go to nature.
1333
01:18:45,060 --> 01:18:48,810
And then I heard the words,
be like a little child.
1334
01:18:48,810 --> 01:18:52,080
As I got closer to this light
1335
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:56,920
which to me seemed like
divine intelligence, peace,
1336
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:01,030
I began to know that the light wanted me
1337
01:19:01,030 --> 01:19:02,930
to see different parts of my life.
1338
01:19:02,930 --> 01:19:06,270
And my life was displayed up in the stars
1339
01:19:06,270 --> 01:19:07,490
in this beautiful way.
1340
01:19:07,490 --> 01:19:11,080
And one of the lessons about
remind them to go to nature is,
1341
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:15,300
God showed me when I was a
kid and I prayed in nature.
1342
01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:17,600
I was raised religious.
1343
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,560
And so I went to this briar patch
1344
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:21,690
and there were a lot of rabbits
1345
01:19:21,690 --> 01:19:23,281
and I was maybe five years old.
1346
01:19:23,281 --> 01:19:26,100
And I still wondered about God.
1347
01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:28,780
I was that type of kid who thought,
1348
01:19:28,780 --> 01:19:30,090
I don't like this religion,
1349
01:19:30,090 --> 01:19:33,640
I don't like the idea of
children starving in Africa
1350
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,610
and going to hell or great
Buddhist monks being judged
1351
01:19:37,610 --> 01:19:38,960
simply because they're not Christian.
1352
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,670
Like my mind did not gel with that,
1353
01:19:42,670 --> 01:19:45,660
so I had problems with God
as a kid and my mom said,
1354
01:19:45,660 --> 01:19:48,400
well go pray and maybe
God will give you a sign.
1355
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,023
I went to this briar patch
1356
01:19:50,023 --> 01:19:53,140
and I sat in a cross-legged position
1357
01:19:53,140 --> 01:19:55,500
and I was probably about
five or six, and I said,
1358
01:19:55,500 --> 01:20:00,110
God, I want some rabbits
to come to me if You exist.
1359
01:20:00,110 --> 01:20:03,120
And so I stayed there in this briar patch
1360
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,370
and the rabbits came to me very slowly.
1361
01:20:05,370 --> 01:20:07,050
They were baby rabbits.
1362
01:20:07,050 --> 01:20:07,883
God said, that was good.
1363
01:20:07,883 --> 01:20:10,220
You know, that was a good moment.
1364
01:20:10,220 --> 01:20:14,270
You opened your heart, you
weren't afraid to pray,
1365
01:20:14,270 --> 01:20:16,010
you weren't afraid to be in nature,
1366
01:20:16,010 --> 01:20:18,665
you weren't afraid to connect.
1367
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,690
What I saw later was a moment
1368
01:20:28,690 --> 01:20:30,812
that embarrassed me a little bit.
1369
01:20:30,812 --> 01:20:35,812
I was 22 and kind of
judgmental in college.
1370
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:40,420
I wasn't a bad person,
1371
01:20:40,420 --> 01:20:42,510
but if people didn't like the same movies
1372
01:20:42,510 --> 01:20:44,270
or the same documentaries
1373
01:20:44,270 --> 01:20:46,740
or if they didn't wear cool shoes
1374
01:20:46,740 --> 01:20:51,090
or they were older than me
and I was a college student,
1375
01:20:51,090 --> 01:20:52,960
then I really didn't have
a lot of time for them
1376
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:54,040
and I wasn't very nice.
1377
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,830
So there was a couple that I worked with
1378
01:20:56,830 --> 01:20:58,850
at one of the restaurants where I worked
1379
01:20:58,850 --> 01:21:01,380
and they were older than me, in their 30s
1380
01:21:01,380 --> 01:21:03,570
and they were Catholic.
1381
01:21:03,570 --> 01:21:06,000
And they tried to be my friend.
1382
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,100
They were a married couple
1383
01:21:07,100 --> 01:21:09,210
and I just didn't have time for them.
1384
01:21:09,210 --> 01:21:11,100
I really blew them off
1385
01:21:11,100 --> 01:21:13,450
and never communicated with them at work.
1386
01:21:13,450 --> 01:21:16,186
And God showed me their
souls and their hearts
1387
01:21:16,186 --> 01:21:19,620
and how I made them sad at times.
1388
01:21:19,620 --> 01:21:23,047
And then God showed me,
1389
01:21:23,047 --> 01:21:27,150
and this makes me almost want
to cry when I talk about it,
1390
01:21:27,150 --> 01:21:29,840
they went home and they prayed for me,
1391
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:33,360
for my health, for my wealth, for my life
1392
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,660
and they actually cared about me
1393
01:21:36,660 --> 01:21:38,320
and I didn't have the time of day for them
1394
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:39,870
because the shoes they wore.
1395
01:21:39,870 --> 01:21:41,550
And I felt like such an idiot.
1396
01:21:41,550 --> 01:21:44,870
I felt like this just small being
1397
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:46,720
for treating other people badly,
1398
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,270
especially when I saw how
great their souls were.
1399
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:51,570
And I thought, okay, when I come back,
1400
01:21:51,570 --> 01:21:54,040
I will look at people in a different way.
1401
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:57,430
I will not judge them
in a materialistic way.
1402
01:21:57,430 --> 01:22:01,070
I won't judge them by
their age or how they look.
1403
01:22:01,070 --> 01:22:03,310
I will look at their hearts,
I'll look at their souls,
1404
01:22:03,310 --> 01:22:05,910
I'll really figure out who people are.
1405
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:07,773
And I wanted another chance to do that.
1406
01:22:07,773 --> 01:22:09,130
I wanted to be better
1407
01:22:09,130 --> 01:22:11,710
because that moment really hit me.
1408
01:22:11,710 --> 01:22:15,700
So the moments where I was
perhaps not good to myself
1409
01:22:15,700 --> 01:22:19,143
and drank too much, partied
too much in college,
1410
01:22:19,143 --> 01:22:21,630
I wasn't held to a cross for that.
1411
01:22:21,630 --> 01:22:24,150
It was being rude to other people
1412
01:22:24,150 --> 01:22:28,250
that was really what God
was saying don't do that.
1413
01:22:28,250 --> 01:22:32,850
Don't look at other people and judge them.
1414
01:22:32,850 --> 01:22:35,270
And look for the good in
this world and other people.
1415
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:38,380
So that lesson was profound for me.
1416
01:22:38,380 --> 01:22:40,300
And then I transitioned.
1417
01:22:40,300 --> 01:22:44,780
After that, my spirit form
was moving towards something
1418
01:22:44,780 --> 01:22:46,430
which looked like heaven.
1419
01:22:46,430 --> 01:22:51,430
And in this space, what it
looked like to me was nature
1420
01:22:51,829 --> 01:22:53,290
and it looked like a holding place.
1421
01:22:53,290 --> 01:22:54,310
It didn't look like,
1422
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:57,090
okay, now I'm transitioned
into this paradise.
1423
01:22:57,090 --> 01:23:00,610
This looked like a place where
you waited for something else
1424
01:23:00,610 --> 01:23:02,050
and that's what it felt like to me.
1425
01:23:02,050 --> 01:23:05,160
But the grass was very, very green.
1426
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:09,400
And what stood out to me
was that nothing was dead.
1427
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,450
Everything was 100% alive.
1428
01:23:11,450 --> 01:23:12,727
So you could walk out into nature
1429
01:23:12,727 --> 01:23:15,670
and you might see a branch
that's fallen off the tree
1430
01:23:15,670 --> 01:23:18,020
or a little dead part in the grass.
1431
01:23:18,020 --> 01:23:22,580
But all of this grass in
this place sung with joy
1432
01:23:22,580 --> 01:23:26,970
almost as if there was instead of wind,
1433
01:23:26,970 --> 01:23:31,020
it was almost as if it swayed with life.
1434
01:23:36,590 --> 01:23:39,070
Then in that place, I saw my grandfather.
1435
01:23:39,070 --> 01:23:42,400
He was the only person
who was dead at that time
1436
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:47,040
and he's another link in
my past to the other side
1437
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:50,470
because he wanted me to believe in God
1438
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:53,590
and he wanted me to know that I was loved.
1439
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:56,020
So when he died when I was 10,
1440
01:23:56,020 --> 01:23:58,610
he spent a lot of time
writing stories to me
1441
01:23:58,610 --> 01:24:02,440
about his life and praying
with me and talking with me
1442
01:24:02,440 --> 01:24:04,102
and I was his only granddaughter.
1443
01:24:04,102 --> 01:24:05,900
I meant a lot to him.
1444
01:24:05,900 --> 01:24:08,280
So when I saw him, I almost
didn't recognize him.
1445
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:12,070
He looked about 35 or so.
1446
01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:15,950
His jaw was the same, you
know, this squared jaw.
1447
01:24:15,950 --> 01:24:20,150
But his eyes shone with
this beauty, this light.
1448
01:24:20,150 --> 01:24:22,720
He said, do you want to continue on?
1449
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:27,030
And I knew that continue
on meant go toward God.
1450
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:31,660
And God looked like this
bright yellow light.
1451
01:24:31,660 --> 01:24:34,730
And yet I was thrilled, I was excited.
1452
01:24:34,730 --> 01:24:38,520
I thought, there's no way,
I can't not go towards God.
1453
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:42,023
I've always been an
adventurous soul in life.
1454
01:24:44,678 --> 01:24:48,983
I started flying towards God
and I felt people's prayers
1455
01:24:50,830 --> 01:24:52,270
trying to hold me back.
1456
01:24:52,270 --> 01:24:54,060
And the way the prayers felt,
1457
01:24:54,060 --> 01:24:56,930
they felt like an energy or a wind.
1458
01:24:56,930 --> 01:25:01,750
This energy or wind seemed to
be pulling my spirit backwards
1459
01:25:01,750 --> 01:25:03,210
but I broke through it.
1460
01:25:03,210 --> 01:25:06,010
I could hear every word
that everyone was saying.
1461
01:25:06,010 --> 01:25:11,010
So some prayers were full of
love and adoration and hope.
1462
01:25:11,670 --> 01:25:14,420
Some prayers were tormented and afraid.
1463
01:25:14,420 --> 01:25:17,710
I had one aunt who had lost
her daughter in a car wreck
1464
01:25:17,710 --> 01:25:19,580
and her daughter was in her 20s
1465
01:25:19,580 --> 01:25:21,843
and she was beseeching God.
1466
01:25:25,310 --> 01:25:28,470
Almost screaming, saying,
God, don't do this.
1467
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:32,170
You know, someone else in the
family can't lose a daughter.
1468
01:25:32,170 --> 01:25:35,920
It's too hard, it's too
hard, don't let Tricia die.
1469
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,280
And she was almost commanding God.
1470
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,760
I thought, oh, that's
silly, I'm fine over here.
1471
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:42,930
You don't understand.
1472
01:25:42,930 --> 01:25:45,560
It'll all be better later
if I don't come back.
1473
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:49,700
Because as I was getting
farther away from my body
1474
01:25:49,700 --> 01:25:51,405
and from that place,
1475
01:25:51,405 --> 01:25:53,917
I felt that I didn't want to come back
1476
01:25:53,917 --> 01:25:57,070
and the prayers just seemed simple to me.
1477
01:25:57,070 --> 01:25:58,800
That's the only way to describe it.
1478
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,040
I just thought, oh, you don't understand.
1479
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,070
Once you're here, you'll understand
1480
01:26:03,070 --> 01:26:06,480
and it's not that big of a
deal because time's relative.
1481
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:10,090
And the way I looked at it
from that point of view is,
1482
01:26:10,090 --> 01:26:12,510
oh, soon enough you'll be here with me.
1483
01:26:12,510 --> 01:26:15,000
And that was the overall feeling.
1484
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,160
So I broke through their prayers
1485
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:18,390
and it just didn't matter to me.
1486
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:21,041
I heard my mom's prayers,
my dad's prayers.
1487
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,650
I didn't understand love.
1488
01:26:28,650 --> 01:26:31,380
I had a few broken relationships
1489
01:26:31,380 --> 01:26:36,000
and what I understood was working
hard and being successful.
1490
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,690
I did not understand love.
1491
01:26:38,690 --> 01:26:41,811
And as I got closer to that light of God,
1492
01:26:41,811 --> 01:26:45,070
for the first time, I felt okay.
1493
01:26:45,070 --> 01:26:46,950
It's so hard to describe,
1494
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:51,370
but what I felt was, oh, I can breathe.
1495
01:26:51,370 --> 01:26:53,350
I can just be at peace.
1496
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:54,440
I can be safe.
1497
01:26:54,440 --> 01:26:56,340
There's no one here who's gonna harm me.
1498
01:26:56,340 --> 01:26:59,850
There's no one here who's
going to say something
1499
01:26:59,850 --> 01:27:01,540
that's gonna hurt me soul.
1500
01:27:01,540 --> 01:27:04,340
I'm loved, I'm okay exactly the way I am.
1501
01:27:04,340 --> 01:27:06,010
In fact, I'm better than okay.
1502
01:27:06,010 --> 01:27:10,789
I'm amazing the way I am
and God loves me so much.
1503
01:27:13,660 --> 01:27:15,420
That love is shocking.
1504
01:27:15,420 --> 01:27:17,290
You just can't believe how good it is.
1505
01:27:17,290 --> 01:27:18,870
And that's how my soul felt.
1506
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:20,700
I never wanted to return.
1507
01:27:20,700 --> 01:27:23,480
I wanted to feel more
and more of that energy
1508
01:27:23,480 --> 01:27:27,223
and God's love was like
an atomic bomb of energy.
1509
01:27:30,580 --> 01:27:32,550
And I started to feel different.
1510
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:37,550
I started to feel, like, more
expanded, larger than I was.
1511
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:40,430
I started to feel at peace
1512
01:27:40,430 --> 01:27:43,250
and I wanted to go closer
and closer and closer to God.
1513
01:27:43,250 --> 01:27:45,080
At that point in my near-death experience,
1514
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:46,790
I did not want to return.
1515
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:50,530
That love was better than
any romantic feeling,
1516
01:27:50,530 --> 01:27:52,890
any parental love I had ever experienced.
1517
01:27:52,890 --> 01:27:54,640
It was perfect.
1518
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,820
It was perfection.
1519
01:27:56,820 --> 01:28:00,810
And in that place, as I tried
to go a little bit further,
1520
01:28:00,810 --> 01:28:02,779
I hit a wall or a barrier.
1521
01:28:02,779 --> 01:28:05,590
Many near-death experiencers
talk about this.
1522
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:08,270
There's a place where
you're stopped at some point
1523
01:28:08,270 --> 01:28:13,270
and at this stopping point,
God's voice boomed through me
1524
01:28:13,530 --> 01:28:16,090
and it's a very powerful voice.
1525
01:28:16,090 --> 01:28:18,510
I don't know if it's
masculine or feminine,
1526
01:28:18,510 --> 01:28:21,750
but it just is a powerful, booming voice.
1527
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:24,680
And God said, look down.
1528
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,620
And then it's as if
from this vantage point
1529
01:28:27,620 --> 01:28:32,620
I was looking down to earth
and I saw all these souls
1530
01:28:33,393 --> 01:28:34,340
and I knew that they were souls
1531
01:28:34,340 --> 01:28:36,130
even though they were encased in bodies
1532
01:28:36,130 --> 01:28:39,710
and they were walking
along a particular river.
1533
01:28:39,710 --> 01:28:41,590
And God said, look at them.
1534
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:43,980
And some of them were composed of light
1535
01:28:43,980 --> 01:28:46,720
and some of them had darkness around them.
1536
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,180
In that place, I understood the darkness
1537
01:28:49,180 --> 01:28:52,810
to simply mean fear, depression, anger,
1538
01:28:52,810 --> 01:28:55,570
anything that blocks us from God.
1539
01:28:55,570 --> 01:28:57,080
It didn't look terrifying.
1540
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:58,430
I didn't think about the fact
1541
01:28:58,430 --> 01:29:00,930
that people from a place of darkness
1542
01:29:00,930 --> 01:29:03,910
can commit acts of horror and crimes.
1543
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:05,200
I didn't think about that.
1544
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:08,320
I just thought, there's
a little bit of darkness
1545
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:11,020
and they just need to be reminded of God.
1546
01:29:11,020 --> 01:29:12,200
It looked simple,
1547
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,210
like my only purpose was to go back there
1548
01:29:15,210 --> 01:29:18,850
and remind people that they
can be connected to God.
1549
01:29:18,850 --> 01:29:23,823
And then God said something
that disturbed me.
1550
01:29:27,304 --> 01:29:29,983
And then God said something
that disturbed me.
1551
01:29:31,770 --> 01:29:34,020
God said I was going to go back to earth
1552
01:29:34,020 --> 01:29:36,240
and I was going to work as a teacher,
1553
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,530
not necessarily as a spiritual teacher
1554
01:29:39,530 --> 01:29:42,100
but as an actual teacher.
1555
01:29:45,860 --> 01:29:47,840
All this light that I had been,
1556
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:49,570
this expansive, beautiful light,
1557
01:29:49,570 --> 01:29:54,570
it was as if it was crumpled
up into a ball and thrown
1558
01:29:54,820 --> 01:29:57,930
as if you would throw a
baseball or a softball
1559
01:29:57,930 --> 01:30:00,750
and I was hurling through time, space,
1560
01:30:00,750 --> 01:30:03,455
back towards my physical form.
1561
01:30:10,271 --> 01:30:12,120
I was enveloped in this darkness
1562
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,610
and it was terrifying in many ways
1563
01:30:15,610 --> 01:30:18,800
to experience beauty like that
1564
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:22,393
and then to be forced back
into a very painful body.
1565
01:30:24,860 --> 01:30:27,117
- Tricia meets her deceased grandfather.
1566
01:30:27,117 --> 01:30:30,823
She notices that he's much
younger than when he had passed.
1567
01:30:30,823 --> 01:30:33,820
He asked her if she would like to stay.
1568
01:30:33,820 --> 01:30:36,483
And with that thought,
she went toward God.
1569
01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:40,330
But then Tricia noticed
her loved ones prayers
1570
01:30:40,330 --> 01:30:42,096
were holding her back.
1571
01:30:42,096 --> 01:30:44,583
But Tricia didn't want to go back.
1572
01:30:45,670 --> 01:30:47,320
She had an overall feeling
1573
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,713
that they would all be
together soon enough.
1574
01:30:51,096 --> 01:30:55,510
Tricia was also experiencing
a love that was unlike any
1575
01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:57,223
she had ever felt on earth.
1576
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,063
She loved the feeling
of her newfound freedom.
1577
01:31:02,310 --> 01:31:05,883
Tricia then talks about
feeling her soul's expansion.
1578
01:31:07,130 --> 01:31:10,310
God then told her to look at the darkness
1579
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:11,813
some souls have on earth.
1580
01:31:12,930 --> 01:31:16,200
She was then told that she
had to go back to earth
1581
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,263
and was thrusted back into her body.
1582
01:31:30,610 --> 01:31:32,020
- No transition.
1583
01:31:32,020 --> 01:31:36,170
I was back in the body, back
in the bed, back in the pain
1584
01:31:36,170 --> 01:31:38,740
and immediately a nurse
came into the room.
1585
01:31:38,740 --> 01:31:42,709
This was now nine o' clock
at night, approximately,
1586
01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:46,340
you know, 10 hours or
so from when this began.
1587
01:31:46,340 --> 01:31:50,800
And she said a doctor has
arrived at the hospital
1588
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:54,070
on Saturday night and I'm
gonna have the surgery
1589
01:31:54,070 --> 01:31:56,920
and they prepped me for surgery
1590
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:00,180
and I had the surgery at
10 o' clock that night.
1591
01:32:00,180 --> 01:32:03,890
I wanted to tell my wife
what had happened to me.
1592
01:32:03,890 --> 01:32:08,080
The Sunday morning, the very
day that I had the surgery
1593
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,803
'cause the surgery went
into Sunday morning,
1594
01:32:11,770 --> 01:32:14,110
and I tried to tell her things
1595
01:32:14,110 --> 01:32:16,560
and she did not want to hear it.
1596
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:19,440
Every day thereafter,
I would tell her things
1597
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:22,570
and then she would tell me
to stop talking about it,
1598
01:32:22,570 --> 01:32:25,250
she told me it didn't happen, get over it,
1599
01:32:25,250 --> 01:32:28,100
it was just a dream,
it never happened, etc.
1600
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:30,360
And I would tell her no,
no, no, this happened
1601
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,853
and Jesus said this and Jesus did that.
1602
01:32:32,853 --> 01:32:35,380
And, you know, God wants us, etc.
1603
01:32:35,380 --> 01:32:37,066
And she didn't like it.
1604
01:32:37,066 --> 01:32:38,950
After my experience,
1605
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:43,350
I became more and more
committed to telling everybody.
1606
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:45,470
So when the cleaning lady
came into my hospital room,
1607
01:32:45,470 --> 01:32:47,080
I was in the hospital for several months.
1608
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:49,750
I came back to the US
and was very, very sick
1609
01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:51,040
on death's door for months.
1610
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,540
And anyways, anybody
that came into the room,
1611
01:32:53,540 --> 01:32:55,460
nurses, doctors, cleaning people,
1612
01:32:55,460 --> 01:32:57,305
respiratory therapists, whatever,
1613
01:32:57,305 --> 01:32:59,850
I would tell them about Jesus and God
1614
01:32:59,850 --> 01:33:01,600
and heaven and hell and stuff like that.
1615
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,920
And I found out several years
later from one of the nurses
1616
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:06,437
that I was the laughing
stock of the hospital
1617
01:33:06,437 --> 01:33:09,820
and I was getting visitors
from all over the hospital
1618
01:33:09,820 --> 01:33:14,610
because I was the crazy
person on the third floor
1619
01:33:14,610 --> 01:33:18,200
of the southwest wing of that hospital.
1620
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,240
But I knew that they were laughing at me,
1621
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:22,090
but I'd tell them anyways.
1622
01:33:22,090 --> 01:33:27,090
After many months, I was
losing my wife, my kids.
1623
01:33:30,580 --> 01:33:31,840
Nobody was visiting me.
1624
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,000
People that came to visit me
and I gave my testimony to
1625
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:36,023
never came back.
1626
01:33:37,210 --> 01:33:40,770
I realized that I had to
stop forcing it on people.
1627
01:33:40,770 --> 01:33:44,840
So my policy ever since then has been,
1628
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,993
I don't tell my story
unless people ask about it.
1629
01:33:50,180 --> 01:33:51,410
After the experience,
1630
01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:56,410
I had the ability basically all the time
1631
01:33:56,950 --> 01:34:01,270
to see into what's called
the supernatural world.
1632
01:34:01,270 --> 01:34:02,570
I could see demons
1633
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:05,763
and I could see angels.
1634
01:34:07,300 --> 01:34:11,060
I could feel people's
feelings empathetically
1635
01:34:11,060 --> 01:34:12,650
to a very intense degree
1636
01:34:12,650 --> 01:34:17,650
and sometimes I could actually
kind of hear their thoughts.
1637
01:34:18,770 --> 01:34:22,210
And I was also getting glimpses of things
1638
01:34:22,210 --> 01:34:24,583
that were going to happen in the future.
1639
01:34:26,930 --> 01:34:28,740
It was all quite overwhelming
1640
01:34:28,740 --> 01:34:33,740
and much of that I prayed
to God to take away from me
1641
01:34:33,845 --> 01:34:36,010
after several months of that
1642
01:34:36,010 --> 01:34:40,820
because I was not
connecting with this world.
1643
01:34:40,820 --> 01:34:43,789
It was weird because
I kind of had one foot
1644
01:34:43,789 --> 01:34:47,420
in the supernatural world
and one foot in this world
1645
01:34:48,427 --> 01:34:50,640
and it was really bad for my interactions
1646
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,573
with the people that I was around.
1647
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:03,900
Ever since I came back into this world,
1648
01:35:03,900 --> 01:35:08,900
I've tried to be kinder, more
compassionate and more loving.
1649
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:15,230
I think that it's God's plan for everybody
1650
01:35:15,230 --> 01:35:17,820
that we love God with all our
heart, mind soul and strength
1651
01:35:17,820 --> 01:35:19,450
and love our neighbor as ourself
1652
01:35:19,450 --> 01:35:23,640
and I'm trying to live up to
that and I fail all the time.
1653
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,680
I try to examine what I've done
1654
01:35:27,650 --> 01:35:30,670
and pray that I'm forgiven for when I fail
1655
01:35:30,670 --> 01:35:33,830
or don't live up to what God expects of me
1656
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:35,920
and I know that it pleases God
1657
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:40,920
when I make my own simple
little opportunities
1658
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:45,550
to make this world a better place
1659
01:35:45,550 --> 01:35:48,600
by being kind and
compassionate and loving.
1660
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:50,810
And so that's it in a nutshell
1661
01:35:50,810 --> 01:35:52,980
is I want to live a life pleasing to God
1662
01:35:52,980 --> 01:35:54,423
which is to love.
1663
01:35:57,580 --> 01:35:59,860
- Howard was back in his body.
1664
01:35:59,860 --> 01:36:04,070
He wanted to tell his wife,
but it fell on deaf ears.
1665
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:05,290
Howard felt committed
1666
01:36:05,290 --> 01:36:07,824
to telling everyone about his experience.
1667
01:36:07,824 --> 01:36:10,823
He then became the laughing
stock of the hospital.
1668
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,770
Howard then began losing
his wife and his kids.
1669
01:36:15,770 --> 01:36:18,420
He then realized he had to
stop forcing it on people.
1670
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:21,440
Feeling overwhelmed,
1671
01:36:21,440 --> 01:36:24,603
Howard asked God to
stop his new abilities.
1672
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:27,580
Howard had then done a 180
1673
01:36:27,580 --> 01:36:30,023
and became a kinder, loving person.
1674
01:36:41,170 --> 01:36:43,280
- I was conscious about the time
1675
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,430
they were asking me to say my name
1676
01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:49,020
and to swallow a few ice chips.
1677
01:36:49,020 --> 01:36:52,150
And I could not say my actual name.
1678
01:36:52,150 --> 01:36:56,370
I remember saying, yes,
yes, I remember her name,
1679
01:36:56,370 --> 01:36:57,500
her name is Tricia.
1680
01:36:57,500 --> 01:36:59,560
And they said, no, that's your name,
1681
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:01,670
so you need to say what your name is.
1682
01:37:01,670 --> 01:37:03,410
And I refused for a little bit
1683
01:37:03,410 --> 01:37:07,000
and the nurse was confused as
to why I was arguing with her
1684
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:11,580
but I felt as if my consciousness
was greater than this form
1685
01:37:11,580 --> 01:37:14,830
and to come back to me was disappointing.
1686
01:37:14,830 --> 01:37:17,790
I didn't feel grateful at first.
1687
01:37:17,790 --> 01:37:20,880
I felt disappointed that I had experienced
1688
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:22,610
all of that expansiveness,
1689
01:37:22,610 --> 01:37:24,610
all of that bliss, all of that beauty
1690
01:37:24,610 --> 01:37:28,340
and now I had to be me and
walk through this life as me
1691
01:37:28,340 --> 01:37:32,700
with my particular upbringing,
my traumas, my pain,
1692
01:37:32,700 --> 01:37:35,250
my memories of life on this earth,
1693
01:37:35,250 --> 01:37:38,990
and yet bring in that
consciousness of the other side,
1694
01:37:38,990 --> 01:37:43,693
so eventually I relented
and said, okay, I'm Tricia.
1695
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:49,270
In the ER, I was constantly
pulling nurses aside
1696
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:51,430
asking them if they knew God.
1697
01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:53,130
Many of them were religious and they said,
1698
01:37:53,130 --> 01:37:55,440
yes, I pray, I believe in God.
1699
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:58,650
But then I knew I was
interacting with people in a way
1700
01:37:58,650 --> 01:38:00,433
that they didn't fully understand.
1701
01:38:00,433 --> 01:38:04,100
I would tell the nurses, oh,
God's this amazing energy.
1702
01:38:04,100 --> 01:38:07,840
It's so amazing, I was just
there, I got to meet God
1703
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:09,590
and God filled me with all this love.
1704
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:13,180
And I would see people backing
away and saying, you know,
1705
01:38:13,180 --> 01:38:16,850
different things about
me, even my own family.
1706
01:38:16,850 --> 01:38:19,771
I was very different
from that point forward.
1707
01:38:19,771 --> 01:38:21,420
I look back at my life
1708
01:38:21,420 --> 01:38:23,982
and who I was at 22 before that accident.
1709
01:38:23,982 --> 01:38:27,870
I was very contained and
fearful within my own body
1710
01:38:27,870 --> 01:38:30,740
and I kept a lot of people away from me
1711
01:38:30,740 --> 01:38:32,890
with that exterior that I had.
1712
01:38:32,890 --> 01:38:35,670
After that near-death
experience, I was like a child.
1713
01:38:35,670 --> 01:38:40,370
I was bubbly and joyful
and grateful for every step
1714
01:38:40,370 --> 01:38:41,570
that I took on this planet
1715
01:38:41,570 --> 01:38:44,010
and grateful for every
bite of food that I had.
1716
01:38:44,010 --> 01:38:47,594
I felt this enormous optimism.
1717
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:57,430
When I was there in that
realm, it seemed as if
1718
01:38:57,430 --> 01:39:00,640
everybody would just be
there in a few seconds.
1719
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,720
Or it could be many years,
but it seemed that soon.
1720
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:07,430
It seemed as if life would
just complete very quickly.
1721
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:09,610
It was a grain of sand over there
1722
01:39:09,610 --> 01:39:12,010
because time had been
going on for so long.
1723
01:39:12,010 --> 01:39:15,420
There had possibly been
many lives that I had lived
1724
01:39:15,420 --> 01:39:16,430
and others had lived.
1725
01:39:16,430 --> 01:39:21,250
And it was just, from the
beginning, it looked like theater,
1726
01:39:21,250 --> 01:39:24,330
like this looked like
a theater production.
1727
01:39:24,330 --> 01:39:25,520
That was my first thought
1728
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,610
when my spirit form stepped out of body
1729
01:39:27,610 --> 01:39:29,790
is I thought, this is the reality
1730
01:39:29,790 --> 01:39:33,630
and this physical thing that
we take all too seriously,
1731
01:39:33,630 --> 01:39:36,310
it's not that important.
1732
01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:39,100
This spirit is what is important.
1733
01:39:39,100 --> 01:39:40,300
This is what's eternal.
1734
01:39:40,300 --> 01:39:41,760
This is what goes on.
1735
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,560
This is what matters and how do we forget?
1736
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:48,160
How do we deny that it
even exists as I had?
1737
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:50,550
I denied that there was this possibility.
1738
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:54,270
I denied my own soul until I
experienced it in that realm
1739
01:39:54,270 --> 01:39:57,130
and that was part of what blew me away
1740
01:39:57,130 --> 01:39:59,490
is how seriously we take this
1741
01:39:59,490 --> 01:40:03,323
and how we don't take the
spiritual realm seriously enough.
1742
01:40:05,950 --> 01:40:09,100
- Tricia refused to call herself by name.
1743
01:40:09,100 --> 01:40:12,333
Finally, she gave in and
identified herself as Tricia.
1744
01:40:13,340 --> 01:40:14,850
Tricia wanted to tell everyone
1745
01:40:14,850 --> 01:40:16,853
in the hospital about her experience.
1746
01:40:17,790 --> 01:40:20,253
She quickly noticed how
this fell on deaf ears.
1747
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:24,063
Tricia was a different
person after the experience.
1748
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:27,450
She had a renewed sense of optimism,
1749
01:40:27,450 --> 01:40:29,763
almost like a childlike way about her.
1750
01:40:31,070 --> 01:40:32,350
I asked Tricia,
1751
01:40:32,350 --> 01:40:35,710
why is it that people
that have experienced this
1752
01:40:35,710 --> 01:40:38,993
seem to not be worried about
their loved ones back on earth?
1753
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:42,240
She said it's like an understanding
1754
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:45,963
that we'll all be together
again in an instant.
1755
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:50,430
She went on to add that time is a thing
1756
01:40:50,430 --> 01:40:51,983
that we humans refer to.
1757
01:40:53,230 --> 01:40:55,850
She also referred to life as theater,
1758
01:40:55,850 --> 01:40:57,893
where we play roles like on a stage.
1759
01:40:58,870 --> 01:41:00,230
She continued on to say
1760
01:41:00,230 --> 01:41:03,200
that this isn't the
importance we think it is,
1761
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:07,260
that the spirit world is
what is truly important.
1762
01:41:07,260 --> 01:41:08,909
My four guests have seen things
1763
01:41:08,909 --> 01:41:11,263
that I believe we may
have forgotten about.
1764
01:41:12,290 --> 01:41:14,530
A core theme that resonated with my guests
1765
01:41:14,530 --> 01:41:18,920
was how we treat others
during this incarnation.
1766
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:22,110
Rich, poor, smart or illiterate,
1767
01:41:22,110 --> 01:41:23,653
it seems to be irrelevant.
1768
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:27,363
What is important is the way we acted.
1769
01:41:28,590 --> 01:41:31,710
Now this performance is
reflected in our life review
1770
01:41:31,710 --> 01:41:33,193
right after we transition.
1771
01:41:34,330 --> 01:41:35,883
What really is the life review?
1772
01:41:37,740 --> 01:41:40,720
To me, it's an accurate
record of how we reacted
1773
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:43,290
to the situations in our life,
1774
01:41:43,290 --> 01:41:46,143
an opportunity to see
where we can improve.
1775
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:50,270
This is Craig McMahon saying goodbye
1776
01:41:50,270 --> 01:41:53,420
and that love is all that matters.
1777
01:41:53,420 --> 01:41:54,883
Until we meet again.
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