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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,641 --> 00:00:17,394 Welcome to the United States of America. 2 00:00:17,602 --> 00:00:19,187 We call this the land of the free, 3 00:00:19,396 --> 00:00:20,981 but this country is home 4 00:00:21,189 --> 00:00:24,693 to the largest prison population in the world. 5 00:00:24,901 --> 00:00:27,487 2.2 million Americans. 6 00:00:27,696 --> 00:00:30,782 We put more people in cages here than China, 7 00:00:30,991 --> 00:00:32,742 Russia, than anywhere. 8 00:00:32,951 --> 00:00:35,996 We have more people in prisons. 9 00:00:36,204 --> 00:00:38,331 More than we have colleges and universities. 10 00:00:38,540 --> 00:00:42,711 1/3 of all incarcerated females globally 11 00:00:42,919 --> 00:00:45,005 are locked up here in the United States. 12 00:00:45,213 --> 00:00:48,800 13 million Americans are arrested every year. 13 00:00:49,009 --> 00:00:51,803 - Get your hands off the truck! - I'm not doing anything. 14 00:00:52,012 --> 00:00:54,597 Put that in perspective... Imagine all of Los Angeles 15 00:00:54,806 --> 00:00:59,060 and all of New York combined arrested every year. 16 00:01:01,646 --> 00:01:03,606 There are countless heroes in law enforcement 17 00:01:03,815 --> 00:01:05,650 saving lives every day. 18 00:01:05,859 --> 00:01:08,194 Able to pull her limp bo... 19 00:01:09,654 --> 00:01:11,698 But not a single state in our union 20 00:01:11,906 --> 00:01:14,534 - has use-of-force laws... - I can't breathe! 21 00:01:14,743 --> 00:01:17,829 That meet even the most basic international standards... 22 00:01:20,373 --> 00:01:23,710 With record poverty, drug use, 23 00:01:23,918 --> 00:01:25,754 and countless nonviolent social issues 24 00:01:25,962 --> 00:01:29,632 left to our police officers to solve with only three tools, 25 00:01:29,841 --> 00:01:31,676 we have a national crisis on our hands. 26 00:01:31,885 --> 00:01:33,470 Of course, we need dangerous people 27 00:01:33,678 --> 00:01:35,430 removed from our communities. 28 00:01:37,932 --> 00:01:39,976 But how many Americans are really so dangerous... 29 00:01:40,185 --> 00:01:41,811 He's arresting me. 30 00:01:42,020 --> 00:01:43,688 That they need to be locked in a cage? 31 00:01:43,897 --> 00:01:46,775 I enrolled my girls in my father's school district. 32 00:01:46,983 --> 00:01:49,861 They sent me to jail. 33 00:01:50,070 --> 00:01:52,072 They sent my father to jail, too. 34 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:53,573 My father never came home. 35 00:01:53,782 --> 00:01:55,492 The law enforcement apparatus 36 00:01:55,700 --> 00:01:57,869 is deployed disproportionately against people of color. 37 00:01:58,078 --> 00:02:00,163 If you're a black man, your crack is gonna get 38 00:02:00,371 --> 00:02:01,873 300 times more than your... 39 00:02:02,082 --> 00:02:05,085 We know reform is desperately needed, 40 00:02:05,293 --> 00:02:07,173 - but how do we reform... - Can't record inside. 41 00:02:07,295 --> 00:02:09,172 When prisons don't just lock people up inside? 42 00:02:09,380 --> 00:02:11,841 You don't want to tape me with your telephone! 43 00:02:12,050 --> 00:02:13,690 - Get it all! - I'm a member of the press. 44 00:02:13,843 --> 00:02:15,929 - They lock us out. - Pack up and go. 45 00:02:16,137 --> 00:02:18,807 Citizens, the media, independent journalists 46 00:02:19,015 --> 00:02:22,185 are all routinely barred from recording or documenting 47 00:02:22,393 --> 00:02:25,897 anything that's going on inside our criminal justice system. 48 00:02:26,106 --> 00:02:27,690 You're a chicken shit motherfu... 49 00:02:27,899 --> 00:02:29,901 We have to get all our information and impressions 50 00:02:30,110 --> 00:02:32,112 from corporate commercially funded television. 51 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,489 If you can't do the time, don't do the cr... 52 00:02:34,697 --> 00:02:35,883 These shows are filmed and edited 53 00:02:35,907 --> 00:02:37,158 under tight supervision. 54 00:02:37,367 --> 00:02:38,868 They're not going to prepare you 55 00:02:39,077 --> 00:02:41,329 for the inhuman conditions, the violence 56 00:02:41,538 --> 00:02:43,915 and brutality you're going to have to face. 57 00:02:44,124 --> 00:02:46,376 You think because you obey the law, 58 00:02:46,584 --> 00:02:47,836 you have nothing to worry about. 59 00:02:48,044 --> 00:02:49,295 But recently, 60 00:02:49,504 --> 00:02:51,005 the Wall Street Journal suggests 61 00:02:51,214 --> 00:02:52,924 we now have so many laws on the books, 62 00:02:53,133 --> 00:02:55,343 the average American commits three felonies a day 63 00:02:55,552 --> 00:02:57,554 - without even knowing it. - He didn't do anything! 64 00:02:57,762 --> 00:03:00,598 As an American, you're more likely to go to prison here 65 00:03:00,807 --> 00:03:02,600 than anywhere else in the world. 66 00:03:02,809 --> 00:03:04,519 You need to know how to handle 67 00:03:04,727 --> 00:03:06,604 an out-of-control police officer. 68 00:03:06,813 --> 00:03:08,356 Yes, why am I gonna... 69 00:03:08,565 --> 00:03:11,568 How to survive an interrogation, 70 00:03:11,776 --> 00:03:15,572 how to survive County jail and an extreme prison sentence. 71 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:22,453 To take us through the steps... 72 00:03:22,662 --> 00:03:26,249 we're going to follow the stories of two Americans... 73 00:03:26,457 --> 00:03:31,212 Bruce Lisker, an innocent man convicted of murder, 74 00:03:31,421 --> 00:03:34,090 and Reggie Cole, another innocent man 75 00:03:34,299 --> 00:03:36,801 who endured an even more horrific nightmare. 76 00:03:38,845 --> 00:03:41,325 We're going to get perspectives from investigative journalists, 77 00:03:41,472 --> 00:03:43,183 analysts, academics, prison staff, 78 00:03:43,391 --> 00:03:44,893 lawyers, cops, inmates. 79 00:03:45,101 --> 00:03:46,811 So in the unfortunate case 80 00:03:47,020 --> 00:03:48,646 that this may happen to you, 81 00:03:48,855 --> 00:03:52,317 this is the survivor's guide to prison. 82 00:03:55,361 --> 00:03:58,156 They got a hold on you 83 00:04:01,326 --> 00:04:03,328 ? I'll grab the podium mic and open the knife 84 00:04:03,536 --> 00:04:05,288 ? We don't read between the lines 85 00:04:05,496 --> 00:04:07,248 ? Let alone the stripes and the stars 86 00:04:07,457 --> 00:04:09,209 ? Presidents get popped in their cars 87 00:04:09,417 --> 00:04:11,211 ? I ain't coppin' the drop, real talk 88 00:04:17,926 --> 00:04:20,470 As an American citizen, you don't have to be 89 00:04:20,678 --> 00:04:25,391 a murderer or a rapist or a thief to be arrested. 90 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,644 You can call the police in an emergency 91 00:04:27,852 --> 00:04:29,729 and find yourself arrested just because 92 00:04:29,938 --> 00:04:32,065 the officer doesn't like you. 93 00:04:34,442 --> 00:04:36,361 My strongest memory of my mom 94 00:04:36,569 --> 00:04:41,616 is she was very into teaching and sharing. 95 00:04:41,824 --> 00:04:43,284 We loved each other. 96 00:04:43,493 --> 00:04:44,973 I would've put my own life on the line 97 00:04:45,036 --> 00:04:46,746 to try to save my mom's had I known 98 00:04:46,955 --> 00:04:48,831 anything like this was going to happen. 99 00:04:51,042 --> 00:04:53,920 And it was a day just like any other day. 100 00:04:54,128 --> 00:04:56,506 I went over to my parents' house. 101 00:04:56,714 --> 00:04:58,716 Normally, when I went over, my mom would come out 102 00:04:58,925 --> 00:05:01,135 on the front porch to greet me. 103 00:05:01,344 --> 00:05:04,305 And that day, she didn't come to the door. 104 00:05:04,514 --> 00:05:07,433 I was able to see her on the floor, 105 00:05:07,642 --> 00:05:11,646 and she had been stabbed and beaten and left for dead. 106 00:05:11,854 --> 00:05:14,440 And I was just freaking out. 107 00:05:21,030 --> 00:05:23,908 I was hysterical, and I was yelling and screaming 108 00:05:24,117 --> 00:05:27,078 at the paramedics to hurry up and get her to the hospital 109 00:05:27,287 --> 00:05:30,206 so that the doctors could do something to save her life. 110 00:05:30,415 --> 00:05:33,751 And the police choke-holded me and handcuffed me 111 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,088 and put me in the car for my own safety, ostensibly. 112 00:05:37,297 --> 00:05:39,297 You call the authorities when something goes wrong. 113 00:05:39,424 --> 00:05:40,842 I mean, you call for help, 114 00:05:41,050 --> 00:05:42,844 and you put your full faith in them. 115 00:05:43,052 --> 00:05:45,346 I was telling the police, "I want to go to the hospital 116 00:05:45,555 --> 00:05:49,976 to be with my mom," screaming, crying, you know? 117 00:05:50,184 --> 00:05:52,895 And he said, "No, we have to go to Van Nuys Police Department." 118 00:05:53,104 --> 00:05:56,983 The detective interrogated Bruce for two hours. 119 00:05:57,191 --> 00:06:00,695 By the time he was done interrogating me, she had died. 120 00:06:03,656 --> 00:06:05,283 Fuck. 121 00:06:09,245 --> 00:06:10,788 So what would you do? 122 00:06:10,997 --> 00:06:12,707 Tell the cops whatever they want to know? 123 00:06:12,915 --> 00:06:14,542 - Demand they release you. - Scream? 124 00:06:14,751 --> 00:06:16,419 - Argue. - Maybe even fight. 125 00:06:22,884 --> 00:06:25,636 There are a number of citizen watchdog groups... 126 00:06:25,845 --> 00:06:28,139 Who observe and record police misconduct. 127 00:06:28,348 --> 00:06:30,391 Their advice is to always be polite. 128 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,644 Never engage with an aggravated or confrontational officer. 129 00:06:33,853 --> 00:06:35,521 First of all, you disrespected me, 130 00:06:35,730 --> 00:06:38,775 this badge, and my department, you understand me?! 131 00:06:38,983 --> 00:06:40,902 When I'm talking to you, you shut your mouth! 132 00:06:41,110 --> 00:06:44,572 Ask, "Am I being detained, or am I free to go?" 133 00:06:44,781 --> 00:06:47,492 It's just it's unusual behavior, is what we're getting at. 134 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:48,940 I'm assuming I'm being detained. 135 00:06:49,077 --> 00:06:50,370 Am I being the detained or not? 136 00:06:50,578 --> 00:06:52,288 - You can go, sir. - Thank you. 137 00:06:52,497 --> 00:06:54,832 If you're not being detained, leave immediately. 138 00:06:55,041 --> 00:06:56,292 If you are being detained, 139 00:06:56,501 --> 00:06:57,919 the police can legally lie to you. 140 00:06:58,127 --> 00:07:00,004 So, don't get into any conversation 141 00:07:00,213 --> 00:07:03,299 or start answering questions, just ask for an attorney. 142 00:07:03,508 --> 00:07:05,968 If you're arrested, never talk to anybody 143 00:07:06,177 --> 00:07:07,637 without an attorney there. 144 00:07:09,263 --> 00:07:11,182 Susan Mellon was 42 years old 145 00:07:11,391 --> 00:07:13,601 in Gardena California when she was accused 146 00:07:13,810 --> 00:07:15,436 of a murder she didn't commit. 147 00:07:15,645 --> 00:07:18,523 The detective assigned to the case 148 00:07:18,731 --> 00:07:20,900 was relying on the testimony of one witness. 149 00:07:21,109 --> 00:07:24,821 The whole case hinged on the word of one person, 150 00:07:25,029 --> 00:07:28,866 June Patty, and everything June Patty said 151 00:07:29,075 --> 00:07:31,077 was inconsistent with every other lead. 152 00:07:31,285 --> 00:07:34,122 Every single lead put three gang members 153 00:07:34,330 --> 00:07:39,168 in the house... and no women. 154 00:07:39,377 --> 00:07:41,295 I was pleading that I was innocent. 155 00:07:45,091 --> 00:07:47,372 When I left my daughter there, I just remember telling her 156 00:07:47,427 --> 00:07:50,388 that, "Don't worry, baby, I'll be back for dinner." 157 00:07:50,596 --> 00:07:52,348 Susan's daughter, Jessica. 158 00:07:52,557 --> 00:07:54,976 She said to me that she was gonna be home for dinner, 159 00:07:55,184 --> 00:07:58,980 and she was home 17 years later. 160 00:08:01,607 --> 00:08:04,610 Not seeing my children, that was very hard on me. 161 00:08:07,780 --> 00:08:09,490 For all those years, I'm still broken. 162 00:08:09,699 --> 00:08:12,660 My heart's still broken from everything I went through. 163 00:08:12,869 --> 00:08:15,955 It's... I don't know, it's just so scary. 164 00:08:18,416 --> 00:08:21,878 It was the worst nightmare of my whole life. 165 00:08:25,173 --> 00:08:27,383 The bottom line is you have a right to be silent. 166 00:08:27,592 --> 00:08:29,844 Keep your mouth shut 167 00:08:30,052 --> 00:08:32,388 because those words will be used against you. 168 00:08:32,597 --> 00:08:34,348 To survive and interrogation, 169 00:08:34,557 --> 00:08:37,226 you've got to be ready to stand your ground... 170 00:08:40,855 --> 00:08:43,858 against bullying, aggression, and intimidation. 171 00:08:49,530 --> 00:08:51,657 No matter how intimidating they get, 172 00:08:51,866 --> 00:08:54,619 just say, "I want to speak to a lawyer." 173 00:08:54,827 --> 00:08:56,329 And I hope you can afford a good one. 174 00:08:56,537 --> 00:08:58,414 I didn't have an adequate attorney. 175 00:08:58,623 --> 00:09:00,726 It was a drive-by shooting that took place in East Los Angeles. 176 00:09:00,750 --> 00:09:02,793 I looked like the actual shooter. 177 00:09:03,002 --> 00:09:04,378 I "resembled" was the correct word. 178 00:09:04,587 --> 00:09:06,380 I served approximately nine years 179 00:09:06,589 --> 00:09:08,508 and eight months in prison. 180 00:09:08,716 --> 00:09:10,885 If you don't have an adequate attorney, 181 00:09:11,093 --> 00:09:13,095 your entire future rests in the hands 182 00:09:13,304 --> 00:09:15,097 of a detective assigned to your case. 183 00:09:15,306 --> 00:09:18,100 The words of Bruce Lisker were used against him. 184 00:09:18,309 --> 00:09:20,436 And you're dealing with a 17-year-old kid, 185 00:09:20,645 --> 00:09:24,023 and they were able to manipulate him and twist things. 186 00:09:24,232 --> 00:09:26,984 My case was assigned to a homicide detective 187 00:09:27,193 --> 00:09:29,320 who... It was one of his first cases. 188 00:09:29,529 --> 00:09:33,574 He hadn't even gone to homicide school yet with the LAPD. 189 00:09:33,783 --> 00:09:36,327 And he jumped the gun and basically decided 190 00:09:36,536 --> 00:09:37,995 that 'cause I was a long-haired kid 191 00:09:38,204 --> 00:09:40,081 who looked like he smoked pot, which I did, 192 00:09:40,289 --> 00:09:42,500 that I was the person who had attacked my mother. 193 00:09:42,708 --> 00:09:45,586 He must have had all of his colleagues 194 00:09:45,795 --> 00:09:47,547 scrutinizing him, looking at him. 195 00:09:47,755 --> 00:09:50,591 "How long is it gonna take you to solve this one, Andy?" 196 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,428 And, well, he did it in minutes, didn't he? 197 00:09:57,682 --> 00:10:00,977 In 1994, Reggie Cole was 18 years old 198 00:10:01,185 --> 00:10:03,896 living in South Central LA with no criminal record 199 00:10:04,105 --> 00:10:07,149 when he was arrested for the murder of Felipe Angeles. 200 00:10:07,358 --> 00:10:10,152 The only eyewitness was a man named John Jones, 201 00:10:10,361 --> 00:10:12,488 the owner of a brothel across the street 202 00:10:12,697 --> 00:10:14,824 known as Johnny's House of Prostitution. 203 00:10:15,032 --> 00:10:16,672 How long has this place been in operation? 204 00:10:16,784 --> 00:10:18,786 - About 17 years. - About 17 years? 205 00:10:18,995 --> 00:10:21,372 The police were willing to overlook 206 00:10:21,581 --> 00:10:23,291 what John Jones was doing. 207 00:10:23,499 --> 00:10:26,460 Then John Jones would be willing to play along 208 00:10:26,669 --> 00:10:29,380 with whatever the cops wanted him to do. 209 00:10:29,589 --> 00:10:32,425 16 years later, a new theory would emerge 210 00:10:32,633 --> 00:10:35,553 that the actual shooter was more likely John Jones himself 211 00:10:35,761 --> 00:10:37,972 firing from the rooftop of his own building. 212 00:10:38,180 --> 00:10:40,266 But the arresting officer on the case 213 00:10:40,474 --> 00:10:42,268 was sure the murderer was Reggie Cole. 214 00:10:42,476 --> 00:10:44,395 It was her first... Her first case, 215 00:10:44,604 --> 00:10:47,356 and she needed to close the case 216 00:10:47,565 --> 00:10:51,152 in order for her to get her shield, her homicide shield. 217 00:10:53,988 --> 00:10:55,489 To be a doctor, 218 00:10:55,698 --> 00:10:57,491 you have to go to school for many years. 219 00:10:57,700 --> 00:10:59,900 To be a lawyer, you have to go to school for many years. 220 00:10:59,952 --> 00:11:03,664 I don't understand how somebody with just a high school diploma 221 00:11:03,873 --> 00:11:06,834 or a GED can have that type of power, 222 00:11:07,043 --> 00:11:09,837 to be an officer of the law with a pistol 223 00:11:10,046 --> 00:11:12,173 that can take someone's life, literally, 224 00:11:12,381 --> 00:11:14,425 or with the charges they put on you. 225 00:11:14,634 --> 00:11:16,886 People, they don't... They don't feel the need 226 00:11:17,094 --> 00:11:19,138 to speak up because it doesn't happen to them. 227 00:11:19,347 --> 00:11:21,641 "Oh, that's... that's messed up, you know what I mean? 228 00:11:21,849 --> 00:11:23,851 But it can never happen to me." Yes, it could. 229 00:11:24,060 --> 00:11:26,062 It could happen to you just like that. 230 00:11:26,270 --> 00:11:29,273 Every staff member, everybody that I encountered 231 00:11:29,482 --> 00:11:31,001 I was saying, "A mistake has been made. 232 00:11:31,025 --> 00:11:32,485 I didn't do anything," 233 00:11:32,693 --> 00:11:35,237 Begging for phone calls to talk to my dad. 234 00:11:35,446 --> 00:11:39,116 You know, from moment to moment, the reality 235 00:11:39,325 --> 00:11:43,788 that my mother's dead... 236 00:11:43,996 --> 00:11:46,332 would just bring an icy chill. 237 00:11:53,130 --> 00:11:55,091 First thing the next morning, I was taken up front 238 00:11:55,299 --> 00:11:57,093 to talk to a psychologist or psychiatrist, 239 00:11:57,301 --> 00:11:59,178 and in this cheery kind of a voice, 240 00:11:59,387 --> 00:12:01,931 he says, "So, how do you feel about being here at Sylmar?" 241 00:12:02,139 --> 00:12:06,268 And I said, you know, "Are you kidding?" 242 00:12:06,477 --> 00:12:08,646 Since the LAPD report stated 243 00:12:08,854 --> 00:12:11,023 that Bruce stabbed his mother to death, 244 00:12:11,232 --> 00:12:14,151 the doctor determined that Bruce must be psychotic. 245 00:12:16,904 --> 00:12:19,156 Prison healthcare is a disgrace. 246 00:12:19,365 --> 00:12:22,410 I mean, it's more like a horror show. 247 00:12:26,330 --> 00:12:29,458 The medical conditions inside of prisons in California 248 00:12:29,667 --> 00:12:31,085 have been so bad for so long. 249 00:12:31,293 --> 00:12:32,613 You're talking about misdiagnosis, 250 00:12:32,753 --> 00:12:35,297 just barbaric conditions. 251 00:12:35,506 --> 00:12:38,467 So a district court in 2002 said that an outside agency 252 00:12:38,676 --> 00:12:40,636 had to come in and take over 253 00:12:40,845 --> 00:12:44,056 the entire medical system in the prisons. 254 00:12:44,265 --> 00:12:46,392 Today, after spending billions of dollars, 255 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,811 some California prisons still fail to meet even 256 00:12:49,019 --> 00:12:52,148 the most basic constitutional standards for healthcare. 257 00:12:52,356 --> 00:12:54,066 If you have a serious mental illness, 258 00:12:54,275 --> 00:12:55,901 the United States of America 259 00:12:56,110 --> 00:12:57,903 is probably the worst place you want to be. 260 00:12:58,112 --> 00:13:01,741 If you don't have the money to pay for constant care, 261 00:13:01,949 --> 00:13:04,452 you in danger of facing law enforcement. 262 00:13:13,002 --> 00:13:15,546 If you're a schizophrenic or a bipolar, 263 00:13:15,755 --> 00:13:17,882 you are 16 times more likely to die 264 00:13:18,090 --> 00:13:19,967 when encountering law enforcement. 265 00:13:20,176 --> 00:13:22,428 A 5-foot-3, 100-pound teen fell 266 00:13:22,636 --> 00:13:24,263 when he was stunned. 267 00:13:24,472 --> 00:13:26,265 Two officers then jumped on top of him, 268 00:13:26,474 --> 00:13:29,185 and while they held him down, the third officer, 269 00:13:29,393 --> 00:13:31,187 who ordered the stun guns 270 00:13:31,395 --> 00:13:34,023 then shot Keith in the chest and killed him. 271 00:13:34,231 --> 00:13:36,525 And if you don't die, 272 00:13:36,734 --> 00:13:40,279 you're ten times more likely to land in prison than a hospital. 273 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,909 The national sheriff's association 274 00:13:45,117 --> 00:13:47,119 got together with a treatment advocacy center. 275 00:13:47,328 --> 00:13:48,329 They looked into it. 276 00:13:48,537 --> 00:13:50,790 It turns out, 50%... 277 00:13:50,998 --> 00:13:53,334 50% of the people who are locked up 278 00:13:53,542 --> 00:13:56,045 have some kind of mental health issue. 279 00:13:58,547 --> 00:14:02,593 We will not negotiate with terrorists! 280 00:14:02,802 --> 00:14:05,763 In the 1960s, state psychiatric hospitals 281 00:14:05,971 --> 00:14:08,891 began closing and the nation's mentally ill 282 00:14:09,099 --> 00:14:10,643 found themselves on the streets, 283 00:14:10,851 --> 00:14:12,895 often winding up in prison. 284 00:14:13,103 --> 00:14:15,356 If you're mentally ill and you're in prison, 285 00:14:15,564 --> 00:14:17,107 you're more likely to get worse, 286 00:14:17,316 --> 00:14:19,443 experience increased behavioral problems, 287 00:14:19,652 --> 00:14:21,695 and you're going to be disproportionately abused, 288 00:14:21,904 --> 00:14:23,614 beaten, and raped. 289 00:14:23,823 --> 00:14:25,825 You're more likely to commit suicide. 290 00:14:26,033 --> 00:14:27,785 And if you're released, you're more likely 291 00:14:27,993 --> 00:14:29,787 to reoffend and come right back. 292 00:14:29,995 --> 00:14:33,374 Most prison staff are poorly equipped to diagnose, 293 00:14:33,582 --> 00:14:35,668 manage, or treat your condition. 294 00:14:35,876 --> 00:14:38,587 And if you add that all up, you know, 295 00:14:38,796 --> 00:14:42,716 it makes me ask the question, who are the crazy ones? 296 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:55,688 I can't breathe! I can't breathe! 297 00:14:55,896 --> 00:14:58,065 And then I was medicated. 298 00:14:58,274 --> 00:15:00,526 I was given Mellaril, which is like Thorazine. 299 00:15:00,734 --> 00:15:02,236 Numbed my brain. 300 00:15:02,444 --> 00:15:05,322 I was a very docile inmate at that point. 301 00:15:05,531 --> 00:15:07,825 Warning, side effects of Thorazine 302 00:15:08,033 --> 00:15:10,661 may include sedation, slurred speech, 303 00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:12,913 dizziness, memory loss. 304 00:15:13,122 --> 00:15:15,374 So the odds of fighting your case may be difficult. 305 00:15:15,583 --> 00:15:17,376 Hopefully, you have someone on the outside 306 00:15:17,585 --> 00:15:19,128 working on your behalf. 307 00:15:19,336 --> 00:15:20,838 Bruce was kept in a single cell 308 00:15:21,046 --> 00:15:24,592 23 hours a day for the next 19 days. 309 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,635 Over their two visits together, 310 00:15:26,844 --> 00:15:28,429 Bruce and his father were confident 311 00:15:28,637 --> 00:15:30,472 they'd solve the murder. 312 00:15:30,681 --> 00:15:34,018 I met Mike Ryan in a 12-step program that I was in. 313 00:15:34,226 --> 00:15:35,811 He didn't have a place to stay, 314 00:15:36,020 --> 00:15:38,063 and I let him stay on the couch in my apartment. 315 00:15:38,272 --> 00:15:41,150 And he basically stopped paying any rent. 316 00:15:41,358 --> 00:15:44,194 You know, worked up my courage and said, "You have to go. 317 00:15:44,403 --> 00:15:46,203 You know, I have to kick you out, man, sorry." 318 00:15:46,405 --> 00:15:48,657 So, I started like taking some of his stuff 319 00:15:48,866 --> 00:15:50,743 off the shelves and putting them into boxes. 320 00:15:50,951 --> 00:15:54,622 And he grabbed me and put me against the bathroom door jam 321 00:15:54,830 --> 00:15:57,249 and held a knife to my throat and said, 322 00:15:57,458 --> 00:15:59,501 "If you ever touch my shit again, I'll kill you." 323 00:15:59,710 --> 00:16:03,422 And he was gone, and I thought, whew, thank God, he's gone. 324 00:16:03,631 --> 00:16:05,633 My mom told my dad the day before the murder 325 00:16:05,841 --> 00:16:08,069 that Mike Ryan had been there that day looking for money, 326 00:16:08,093 --> 00:16:09,845 looking for food, looking for... you know. 327 00:16:10,054 --> 00:16:12,306 We know it in our hearts, my dad and I, 328 00:16:12,514 --> 00:16:14,224 Mike Ryan killed my mom. 329 00:16:14,433 --> 00:16:18,312 This is... this is the letter Lisker writes to Monsue 330 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:19,980 after he's arrested. 331 00:16:20,189 --> 00:16:22,066 He's behind bars, and he goes, "Dear sir, 332 00:16:22,274 --> 00:16:24,944 I'm sure that by this point, it has become apparent to you 333 00:16:25,152 --> 00:16:26,695 that I am not the murderer." 334 00:16:26,904 --> 00:16:29,573 And this is where he turns him on to Ryan 335 00:16:29,782 --> 00:16:31,450 as a potential suspect. 336 00:16:31,659 --> 00:16:36,288 When Monsue went to find Ryan to interview him, 337 00:16:36,497 --> 00:16:40,751 he tracks him down in a jail in Mississippi 338 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,878 where I think he was arrested 339 00:16:43,087 --> 00:16:45,631 for breaking into a woman's house. 340 00:16:45,839 --> 00:16:47,883 His story was so full of holes, I mean, 341 00:16:48,092 --> 00:16:49,692 you could have driven a truck through it. 342 00:16:49,802 --> 00:16:51,522 He said that he was sleeping on the streets. 343 00:16:51,637 --> 00:16:55,849 He was sleeping in carports until March 10th, 344 00:16:56,058 --> 00:16:57,935 when he checked into a Hollywood motel, 345 00:16:58,143 --> 00:17:01,355 which is 12 miles away from our house at around 11:00 AM. 346 00:17:12,950 --> 00:17:15,661 Suddenly, at 3:00 PM on March 10th, 347 00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:17,746 four hours after my mom was killed and robbed, 348 00:17:17,955 --> 00:17:22,543 he has money to check into a motel. 349 00:17:22,751 --> 00:17:26,213 I don't think that Monsue was out to get Lisker. 350 00:17:26,422 --> 00:17:29,258 I think that he developed what detectives call tunnel vision. 351 00:17:29,466 --> 00:17:33,429 I had heard a lot of things about him being narrow-minded. 352 00:17:33,637 --> 00:17:35,472 Once he made his mind up, 353 00:17:35,681 --> 00:17:38,851 there was no way of... Of making him change his mind. 354 00:17:39,059 --> 00:17:42,980 And so, that... that leads to some serious problems 355 00:17:43,188 --> 00:17:45,190 when you're dealing with a homicide investigation. 356 00:17:45,399 --> 00:17:47,401 Detective Monsue did a search 357 00:17:47,609 --> 00:17:49,737 on Mike Ryan's criminal record, 358 00:17:49,945 --> 00:17:51,822 apparently using the wrong birth date. 359 00:17:52,031 --> 00:17:53,508 He had the wrong date of birth for him, 360 00:17:53,532 --> 00:17:55,284 and if he had the right date of birth 361 00:17:55,492 --> 00:17:57,132 and he checked criminal records back then, 362 00:17:57,327 --> 00:17:59,246 he would've found that just a few months prior 363 00:17:59,455 --> 00:18:01,415 to the Dorka Lisker slaying, 364 00:18:01,623 --> 00:18:05,669 Ryan had allegedly held a knife to a friend's throat over $12, 365 00:18:05,878 --> 00:18:08,130 which you would think would cause, you know, 366 00:18:08,338 --> 00:18:10,966 a detective to consider him a little more seriously, 367 00:18:11,175 --> 00:18:13,015 you know, for the offense he was investigating. 368 00:18:13,052 --> 00:18:14,511 Eventually, like Bruce, 369 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,513 you're gonna have a detention hearing. 370 00:18:16,722 --> 00:18:19,003 During which time a judge is going to make a determination 371 00:18:19,183 --> 00:18:20,976 as to whether you're going to stay in jail 372 00:18:21,185 --> 00:18:23,145 or you can be released while you await your trial. 373 00:18:23,353 --> 00:18:26,565 Well, unless you have a lot of money for attorneys, 374 00:18:26,774 --> 00:18:28,233 you're not going anywhere. 375 00:18:28,442 --> 00:18:30,082 Basically, you go in there with your hands 376 00:18:30,194 --> 00:18:31,862 tied behind your back because of the power 377 00:18:32,071 --> 00:18:35,991 that we give to police officers in this nation. 378 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,701 His word carried the day. 379 00:18:37,910 --> 00:18:39,703 The Constitution is supposed to guarantee 380 00:18:39,912 --> 00:18:42,539 a speedy trial and prohibit the use 381 00:18:42,748 --> 00:18:44,958 of cruel and unusual punishment. 382 00:18:45,167 --> 00:18:48,337 Myself, I spent 15 months before trial 383 00:18:48,545 --> 00:18:51,882 in the county jail in deplorable conditions. 384 00:18:52,091 --> 00:18:54,968 I was in numerous riots, 385 00:18:55,177 --> 00:18:57,387 various situations where I had to defend myself. 386 00:18:57,596 --> 00:19:00,766 I made a new word. It's called I was petrinoid. 387 00:19:00,974 --> 00:19:04,228 I was petrified and paranoid at the same time. 388 00:19:04,436 --> 00:19:06,522 Surviving County jail. 389 00:19:11,568 --> 00:19:14,988 The first thing that you're going to want to do is get out. 390 00:19:15,197 --> 00:19:20,160 So whatever you have to do to get the money, it's worth it. 391 00:19:20,369 --> 00:19:22,454 You definitely don't want to be going to trial 392 00:19:22,663 --> 00:19:24,665 in a jumpsuit or in cuffs. 393 00:19:24,873 --> 00:19:26,583 A study of defendants in Kentucky found 394 00:19:26,792 --> 00:19:28,836 that individuals in jail were over three times 395 00:19:29,044 --> 00:19:31,004 more likely to be sentenced to prison 396 00:19:31,213 --> 00:19:32,690 than those who were released and showed up for court 397 00:19:32,714 --> 00:19:33,715 in regular clothes. 398 00:19:33,924 --> 00:19:35,759 If you're stuck in jail, 399 00:19:35,968 --> 00:19:39,263 be prepared to be completely humiliated and violated. 400 00:19:39,471 --> 00:19:42,683 You are going to be stripped of all your personal possessions 401 00:19:42,891 --> 00:19:44,351 and your clothing. 402 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,021 Your integrity, your respect, everything. 403 00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:51,024 Keep to yourself. Be polite and ask permission... 404 00:19:51,233 --> 00:19:52,953 - To use the water fountain. - The bathroom. 405 00:19:53,152 --> 00:19:54,152 - The lights. - The sink. 406 00:19:54,236 --> 00:19:55,737 That's it right there. 407 00:19:55,946 --> 00:19:57,090 Mind your own business and be respectful. 408 00:19:57,114 --> 00:19:58,407 Never call the guards 409 00:19:58,615 --> 00:19:59,717 if you got a problem with somebody. 410 00:19:59,741 --> 00:20:01,410 Just talk to the person 411 00:20:01,618 --> 00:20:03,620 that you have a problem with directly or let it go. 412 00:20:03,829 --> 00:20:06,456 You're gonna want to make a lot of phone calls to your family. 413 00:20:06,665 --> 00:20:08,333 - To get advice. - Find a lawyer. 414 00:20:08,542 --> 00:20:10,627 - To talk to a friend. - To find out how to get out. 415 00:20:10,836 --> 00:20:12,671 As quickly as possible. 416 00:20:15,174 --> 00:20:17,342 They can charge over a dollar a minute. 417 00:20:17,551 --> 00:20:19,636 Calls to and from your lawyer, 418 00:20:19,845 --> 00:20:22,472 your son, daughter, your mom, or your dad. 419 00:20:22,681 --> 00:20:25,100 I wouldn't want to do any time in the county jail at all. 420 00:20:25,309 --> 00:20:26,786 It's not bearable because they don't treat you 421 00:20:26,810 --> 00:20:28,687 with any type of respect. 422 00:20:28,896 --> 00:20:31,136 Like, you're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. 423 00:20:31,273 --> 00:20:33,400 Okay, well, this is a place where it should show that. 424 00:20:39,323 --> 00:20:42,618 "Innocent until proven guilty" originally meant... 425 00:20:44,286 --> 00:20:45,746 Nobody should ever be denied a trial. 426 00:20:45,954 --> 00:20:47,497 And it was created as a protection... 427 00:20:47,706 --> 00:20:49,833 Against torturing people into confessions. 428 00:20:50,042 --> 00:20:51,543 It was established as a shield... 429 00:20:51,752 --> 00:20:55,464 Against mob mentality and witch hunts. 430 00:20:55,672 --> 00:20:59,051 And this presumption of innocence until proven guilty 431 00:20:59,259 --> 00:21:02,137 is a foundational notion of civil justice. 432 00:21:02,346 --> 00:21:03,889 The problem is, is that it's 433 00:21:04,097 --> 00:21:06,433 a difficult principle to preserve. 434 00:21:06,642 --> 00:21:08,810 You have to be vigilant about preserving it. 435 00:21:09,019 --> 00:21:11,099 David Sirota's an investigative journalist who's done 436 00:21:11,188 --> 00:21:13,228 extensive work in America's criminal justice system. 437 00:21:13,398 --> 00:21:16,985 Our media culture, where the camera is on, 438 00:21:17,194 --> 00:21:18,695 you've got Court TV... 439 00:21:18,904 --> 00:21:21,657 On the murder count, he is going to walk. 440 00:21:21,865 --> 00:21:23,575 No justice! No peace! 441 00:21:23,784 --> 00:21:25,160 People want to see retribution. 442 00:21:25,369 --> 00:21:26,729 They want to see somebody punished. 443 00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:29,289 Who in the heck is in that jury room? 444 00:21:29,498 --> 00:21:30,808 You've got politicians running around. 445 00:21:30,832 --> 00:21:32,501 Just stoking the flames. 446 00:21:32,709 --> 00:21:35,796 When folks mess with Americans, we go after them. 447 00:21:36,004 --> 00:21:38,674 - People want revenge. - And it's reminiscent 448 00:21:38,882 --> 00:21:41,510 of medieval times, people screaming for blood. 449 00:21:41,718 --> 00:21:43,595 And our present culture doesn't seem to value 450 00:21:43,804 --> 00:21:46,431 the concept of innocent until proven guilty. 451 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,102 And so, unless you're vigilant about preserving 452 00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:52,104 a presumption of innocence, 453 00:21:52,312 --> 00:21:54,332 then you're going to lose that presumption of innocence. 454 00:21:54,356 --> 00:21:55,941 Kalief Browder was a teenager. 455 00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:58,026 He was walking home from school 456 00:21:58,235 --> 00:22:00,088 when someone accused him of stealing a backpack. 457 00:22:00,112 --> 00:22:01,589 The police didn't do any investigating. 458 00:22:01,613 --> 00:22:03,323 They just arrested him. 459 00:22:03,532 --> 00:22:04,801 And the next thing you know, they putting the cuffs. 460 00:22:04,825 --> 00:22:06,576 I don't even know this dude. 461 00:22:06,785 --> 00:22:08,745 His family couldn't afford the $10,000 bail. 462 00:22:08,954 --> 00:22:11,248 Kalief was subjected to officer assaults, 463 00:22:11,456 --> 00:22:12,874 which you can see here, 464 00:22:13,083 --> 00:22:15,085 and groups of inmates attacking him. 465 00:22:15,294 --> 00:22:17,214 They was just all bawling on my head to the point 466 00:22:17,379 --> 00:22:20,674 where I just had to just grab my head, like, I can't take it. 467 00:22:20,882 --> 00:22:22,759 He missed his sister's wedding, 468 00:22:22,968 --> 00:22:25,220 the birth of his nephew, and so many family events. 469 00:22:25,429 --> 00:22:28,557 After nearly three years of unimaginable torture, 470 00:22:28,765 --> 00:22:32,185 incarcerated without a trial, he was finally offered a deal. 471 00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:34,438 If he would plead guilty, they'd let him go. 472 00:22:34,646 --> 00:22:37,399 She told me if I lose trial, I could get 15 years. 473 00:22:37,607 --> 00:22:39,026 Take the time served, 474 00:22:39,234 --> 00:22:40,753 and you go home today if you say you did it. 475 00:22:40,777 --> 00:22:42,417 I didn't do it. I'm not saying I did that. 476 00:22:42,446 --> 00:22:44,323 He went back to jail. 477 00:22:44,531 --> 00:22:47,993 In June, he was suddenly freed with no explanation. 478 00:22:48,201 --> 00:22:49,703 No apology, no nothing. 479 00:22:49,911 --> 00:22:52,122 They just said, "Oh, case dismissed. 480 00:22:52,331 --> 00:22:54,583 Don't worry about nothing." What do you mean? 481 00:22:54,791 --> 00:22:56,918 Y'all just took over three years of my life. 482 00:22:57,127 --> 00:22:59,421 The New Yorker reported that Kalief's relatives 483 00:22:59,629 --> 00:23:02,591 said he was inflicted by paranoia, suspecting cops 484 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:05,052 or other authority figures were after him. 485 00:23:05,260 --> 00:23:07,596 Two years after he was released from Riker's Island, 486 00:23:07,804 --> 00:23:10,432 Kalief Browder took his own life. 487 00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:16,063 The eighth amendment to the US Constitution 488 00:23:16,271 --> 00:23:18,190 is also supposed to guarantee us the right 489 00:23:18,398 --> 00:23:20,192 to be free from excessive bail. 490 00:23:22,486 --> 00:23:24,613 Bail is money that you temporarily loan 491 00:23:24,821 --> 00:23:26,549 or give the courts as collateral to guarantee 492 00:23:26,573 --> 00:23:28,293 that you're going to show up for your trial. 493 00:23:28,325 --> 00:23:30,077 But like the rest of the eighth amendment, 494 00:23:30,285 --> 00:23:32,555 this idea that you're supposed to be free from excessive bail 495 00:23:32,579 --> 00:23:33,979 is a right that's regularly violated 496 00:23:34,122 --> 00:23:35,707 by our criminal justice system. 497 00:23:35,916 --> 00:23:37,959 Meanwhile, the bail bond industry 498 00:23:38,168 --> 00:23:41,755 is making profits of $2 billion a year. 499 00:23:48,053 --> 00:23:50,222 What we would need is at least for you 500 00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:52,599 to be employed two years on the job. 501 00:23:52,808 --> 00:23:56,311 What you do need to pay is going to be 10%. 502 00:23:59,064 --> 00:24:01,650 After 30 days in custody, 503 00:24:01,858 --> 00:24:04,736 Bruce finally had the opportunity to post bail. 504 00:24:04,945 --> 00:24:08,281 Bail was set at $250,000. 505 00:24:08,490 --> 00:24:10,909 Neither Bruce or his father had the money. 506 00:24:11,118 --> 00:24:13,954 I was scared shitless. I was so frightened. 507 00:24:14,162 --> 00:24:16,164 The whole way down, I just thought, this is... 508 00:24:16,373 --> 00:24:18,458 You know, I keep using the word "nightmare," 509 00:24:18,667 --> 00:24:22,170 but I mean, this could be the end of my life. 510 00:24:22,379 --> 00:24:24,214 I don't know. I don't know. 511 00:24:24,423 --> 00:24:26,299 The most important thing that I can tell you 512 00:24:26,508 --> 00:24:27,759 is to protect yourself. 513 00:24:27,968 --> 00:24:29,386 Don't talk to people. 514 00:24:29,594 --> 00:24:31,388 If you're running off at the mouth, 515 00:24:31,596 --> 00:24:33,316 you're usually going to dig yourself a hole. 516 00:24:33,390 --> 00:24:36,184 If you want to survive in jail or prison, 517 00:24:36,393 --> 00:24:38,270 take the advice of old-timers. 518 00:24:38,478 --> 00:24:40,063 This is Tim. 519 00:24:40,272 --> 00:24:41,731 He's going to elaborate 520 00:24:41,940 --> 00:24:43,859 on the most important rule of all. 521 00:24:44,067 --> 00:24:47,529 I want you to pay attention! 522 00:24:47,737 --> 00:24:51,241 In 1986, Tim was 19 years old. 523 00:24:51,450 --> 00:24:53,428 He got involved with a girl who was in some trouble. 524 00:24:53,452 --> 00:24:55,287 She's living with this guy. 525 00:24:55,495 --> 00:24:59,124 She starts insinuating that she's being sexually abused. 526 00:24:59,332 --> 00:25:00,792 But like a dummy, 527 00:25:01,001 --> 00:25:03,086 I'm contemplating going and getting her stuff. 528 00:25:03,295 --> 00:25:06,381 She says that he's got a gun so, you know, we got to be careful. 529 00:25:06,590 --> 00:25:08,609 The guy that we're going with, he's like, "Well, that's cool. 530 00:25:08,633 --> 00:25:09,926 We'll just take our own guns." 531 00:25:10,135 --> 00:25:11,887 They start wrestling over this gun. 532 00:25:12,095 --> 00:25:15,432 I step out of the bathroom. Fight or flight. 533 00:25:17,392 --> 00:25:18,935 No excuses. Just dumb. 534 00:25:19,144 --> 00:25:20,824 This is... there's no excuse for what I did. 535 00:25:20,896 --> 00:25:22,856 There's no excuse. Pulled out my gun. 536 00:25:23,064 --> 00:25:26,276 I start shooting. He falls behind the door. 537 00:25:26,485 --> 00:25:29,154 I pull Rob out of the door, kick the door, 538 00:25:29,362 --> 00:25:31,239 and I shoot him again in the head 539 00:25:31,448 --> 00:25:33,283 and was sentenced to 25 years to life 540 00:25:33,492 --> 00:25:35,076 in the California prison system. 541 00:25:35,285 --> 00:25:37,829 Tim's first advice to new fish is simple. 542 00:25:38,038 --> 00:25:42,292 Start with, you got two eyes and two ears and one mouth. 543 00:25:42,501 --> 00:25:43,919 So you should be seeing and hearing 544 00:25:44,127 --> 00:25:45,354 a whole lot more than you're saying. 545 00:25:45,378 --> 00:25:46,880 If you don't take that advice, 546 00:25:47,088 --> 00:25:49,299 you're usually going to dig yourself a hole 547 00:25:49,508 --> 00:25:51,468 because while you're talking, 548 00:25:51,676 --> 00:25:53,887 how many other people are listening and watching? 549 00:25:54,095 --> 00:25:56,765 Keep it zipped up, and don't think 550 00:25:56,973 --> 00:25:58,808 that any of those dudes are your friends. 551 00:25:59,017 --> 00:26:01,978 I was put in a cell alone 552 00:26:02,187 --> 00:26:04,314 when I started hearing this scraping sound. 553 00:26:04,523 --> 00:26:08,944 It gets louder and louder, and it persists and finally, 554 00:26:09,152 --> 00:26:10,529 there's a hole in the wall now. 555 00:26:10,737 --> 00:26:12,197 And I'm like, "Leave me alone." 556 00:26:12,405 --> 00:26:13,990 "Hey, youngster, you know, what's up? 557 00:26:14,199 --> 00:26:16,701 My name's Bobby." He said, "I'm a Christian. 558 00:26:16,910 --> 00:26:18,954 You don't have to worry about me, I'm okay. 559 00:26:19,162 --> 00:26:20,914 Want a cigarette? Do you smoke?" 560 00:26:21,122 --> 00:26:23,083 And he wants to Bible study with me. 561 00:26:23,291 --> 00:26:25,252 And he was, you know, reading the Bible 562 00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:28,129 about hope and about, you know, truth. 563 00:26:28,338 --> 00:26:29,714 Basically, I had told him 564 00:26:29,923 --> 00:26:31,466 everything that I was arrested for. 565 00:26:31,675 --> 00:26:33,115 "What's your attorney doing for you?" 566 00:26:33,176 --> 00:26:34,469 I said, "Well, not much. 567 00:26:34,678 --> 00:26:36,179 I'm sitting here still, you know?" 568 00:26:36,388 --> 00:26:38,108 He goes well, "I'll help you with your case. 569 00:26:38,306 --> 00:26:40,642 Anything that I can do," and, you know, by the way, 570 00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:42,435 do you have any money that I could... 571 00:26:42,644 --> 00:26:44,288 You know, I don't have any money and, you know, 572 00:26:44,312 --> 00:26:45,872 if you can help me out with some money." 573 00:26:45,981 --> 00:26:47,899 My dad put money on his books for him, 574 00:26:48,108 --> 00:26:51,736 and my attorney comes down and has a tape recorder 575 00:26:51,945 --> 00:26:55,740 and pushes play, and it's Robert Hughes 576 00:26:55,949 --> 00:26:59,536 on the tape saying I met Lisker in the 7000 module 577 00:26:59,744 --> 00:27:02,581 of the county jail and, you know, 578 00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:05,041 he ran down how he killed his mom. 579 00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:10,130 My jaw is just on the table. I can't believe it. 580 00:27:10,338 --> 00:27:12,382 This was my friend, this Robert Hughes, 581 00:27:12,591 --> 00:27:14,301 this Christian, this good guy. 582 00:27:14,509 --> 00:27:18,054 My case was the fourth case, fourth defendant 583 00:27:18,263 --> 00:27:20,557 against whom Robert Hughes had come forward and claimed 584 00:27:20,765 --> 00:27:23,602 a confession in the span of about a year and a half. 585 00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:25,687 I think for about a decade, 586 00:27:25,895 --> 00:27:28,064 prosecutors had this corrupt alliance 587 00:27:28,273 --> 00:27:31,693 with jailhouse informants who would either make up 588 00:27:31,901 --> 00:27:34,988 or try to solicit confessions from fellow inmates 589 00:27:35,196 --> 00:27:38,158 and then use that information to try to get 590 00:27:38,366 --> 00:27:41,077 some leniency on their own case, their own sentence. 591 00:27:41,286 --> 00:27:45,332 There was a shift in my attorney with the tape of Robert Hughes. 592 00:27:45,540 --> 00:27:49,419 He gave up on me. I saw it in his eyes. 593 00:27:49,628 --> 00:27:51,421 I saw it in his eyes. 594 00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:55,425 Bruce had been incarcerated now for a year. 595 00:27:55,634 --> 00:27:58,637 As long as it's been, which was incomprehensible to me 596 00:27:58,845 --> 00:28:02,557 that anybody could spend a day, let alone close to a year 597 00:28:02,766 --> 00:28:05,060 behind bars for something they didn't do, 598 00:28:05,268 --> 00:28:08,938 now I have another year to wait potentially until my trial. 599 00:28:09,147 --> 00:28:11,428 One of the times that I came back up front, juvenile hall, 600 00:28:11,566 --> 00:28:13,486 when they were receiving me, said, wait a minute, 601 00:28:13,693 --> 00:28:15,737 the date of birth here, this guy's over 18. 602 00:28:15,945 --> 00:28:18,281 He can't associate with other minors. 603 00:28:18,490 --> 00:28:22,744 Because Bruce is now an adult, they put Bruce in the box, 604 00:28:22,952 --> 00:28:25,205 which means solitary confinement. 605 00:28:29,959 --> 00:28:33,380 The statewide prisoner hunger strike began 11 days ago 606 00:28:33,588 --> 00:28:36,299 as a protest over solitary confinement conditions. 607 00:28:36,508 --> 00:28:40,011 And now more than 2,300 inmates are refusing to eat. 608 00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:44,182 Solitary confinement is a prison within a prison. 609 00:28:44,391 --> 00:28:46,518 You're locked in a 6-by-9 cell. 610 00:28:46,726 --> 00:28:49,646 Everything is made of concrete, even the bed. 611 00:28:49,854 --> 00:28:52,065 You're locked in there 23 hours a day, 612 00:28:52,273 --> 00:28:54,109 one hour out for recreation. 613 00:28:56,611 --> 00:28:59,614 You can be put into solitary confinement for anything. 614 00:28:59,823 --> 00:29:02,992 You know, prison guard might just get pissed off at you. 615 00:29:03,201 --> 00:29:05,537 Shane Bauer is an American who was arrested 616 00:29:05,745 --> 00:29:08,581 in Iran for accidentally hiking across their border. 617 00:29:08,790 --> 00:29:10,375 They put him in solitary confinement. 618 00:29:10,583 --> 00:29:12,183 I would definitely say that the situation 619 00:29:12,377 --> 00:29:13,712 in California is more extreme. 620 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,380 The cells in California are smaller 621 00:29:15,588 --> 00:29:17,424 than the cell I was in in Iran. 622 00:29:17,632 --> 00:29:19,759 There's no windows in the cells in California. 623 00:29:19,968 --> 00:29:22,554 The hole is considered torture 624 00:29:22,762 --> 00:29:26,433 by Amnesty International and the United Nations. 625 00:29:26,641 --> 00:29:28,476 This is Anthony Graves. 626 00:29:28,685 --> 00:29:30,605 He's an innocent man who was wrongfully convicted 627 00:29:30,645 --> 00:29:33,523 and spent 16 years in solitary. 628 00:29:33,732 --> 00:29:37,318 No one can begin to imagine the psychological effects 629 00:29:37,527 --> 00:29:39,237 isolation has on another human being. 630 00:29:39,446 --> 00:29:43,283 95% of Americans who spent time in solitary 631 00:29:43,491 --> 00:29:45,910 report developing a serious psychiatric condition. 632 00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,038 Guys become paranoid, schizophrenic, 633 00:29:49,247 --> 00:29:51,291 and can't sleep because they're hearing voices. 634 00:29:51,499 --> 00:29:55,962 You're more than five times more likely to commit suicide. 635 00:29:56,171 --> 00:29:58,590 I was there when guys were attempting suicide 636 00:29:58,798 --> 00:30:01,718 by cutting themselves, trying to tie a sheet 637 00:30:01,926 --> 00:30:04,637 around their necks, overdosing on their medication. 638 00:30:04,846 --> 00:30:07,849 In Iran I know of nobody being in solitary confinement 639 00:30:08,057 --> 00:30:09,517 for more than two years, 640 00:30:09,726 --> 00:30:11,811 which is an extremely long period of time. 641 00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:14,063 But in California and Pelican Bay State prison, 642 00:30:14,272 --> 00:30:16,316 the average time is seven and a half years. 643 00:30:22,322 --> 00:30:25,325 For two years, Bruce had been waiting for his trial. 644 00:30:25,533 --> 00:30:27,619 He'd gone over it in his head day after day 645 00:30:27,827 --> 00:30:30,497 what the judge would say, what a jury would think. 646 00:30:30,705 --> 00:30:32,540 When they heard the transcript 647 00:30:32,749 --> 00:30:34,959 of Detective Monsue's interrogation of Mike Ryan, 648 00:30:35,168 --> 00:30:36,753 that's all they'd need to hear. 649 00:30:38,963 --> 00:30:41,508 All the lies, all the inconsistencies, 650 00:30:41,716 --> 00:30:44,928 there would be no way he wouldn't be found innocent. 651 00:30:45,136 --> 00:30:49,098 Except the prosecutor filed a motion to deny Bruce 652 00:30:49,307 --> 00:30:50,767 the right to make any mention 653 00:30:50,975 --> 00:30:53,061 of Mike Ryan's name at the trial. 654 00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:56,439 On the grounds that we couldn't tie Mike Ryan to the crime. 655 00:30:56,648 --> 00:30:58,441 The judge turns to my attorney, 656 00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:00,586 "What evidence do you have that Mike Ryan is tied to this?" 657 00:31:00,610 --> 00:31:02,770 He says, "He was in the county. He could have done it." 658 00:31:02,904 --> 00:31:04,614 And the judge goes, "Is that all you have?" 659 00:31:04,823 --> 00:31:06,983 Because he didn't take the time to read the transcript. 660 00:31:07,075 --> 00:31:08,701 He was just on autopilot. 661 00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:10,870 He was not paying attention. He wasn't engaged. 662 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:13,039 He says, "Yeah, that's it, that's all I have." 663 00:31:13,248 --> 00:31:15,834 We couldn't tie Mike Ryan to the crime. 664 00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:17,669 That was the framework for my trial. 665 00:31:17,877 --> 00:31:20,630 It is an absolute joke the resources 666 00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:22,507 prosecutors have versus defense attorneys. 667 00:31:22,715 --> 00:31:24,425 Justin Brooks is the director 668 00:31:24,634 --> 00:31:26,553 of the California Innocence Project, 669 00:31:26,761 --> 00:31:28,763 a nonprofit group dedicated to helping 670 00:31:28,972 --> 00:31:31,391 wrongfully convicted Americans get out of prison. 671 00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:35,228 Prosecutors have a police force at their disposal 672 00:31:35,436 --> 00:31:37,146 as their investigators. 673 00:31:37,355 --> 00:31:40,525 They're... they get the case from the first moment 674 00:31:40,733 --> 00:31:42,151 it's being investigated. 675 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,629 They have access to all the people 676 00:31:43,653 --> 00:31:45,488 who are involved in that. 677 00:31:45,697 --> 00:31:48,908 Defense comes late to the date. We are at a total disadvantage. 678 00:31:49,117 --> 00:31:51,411 The sixth amendment to the U.S. Constitution 679 00:31:51,619 --> 00:31:54,873 is supposed to guarantee the right to effective counsel. 680 00:31:55,081 --> 00:31:57,959 But as we're seeing in America, you have to buy your rights. 681 00:31:58,167 --> 00:32:01,379 You're more likely to walk free if you're rich and guilty 682 00:32:01,588 --> 00:32:03,548 then you are if you're poor and innocent. 683 00:32:03,756 --> 00:32:07,260 The evidence is Detective Monsue telling his lies, 684 00:32:07,468 --> 00:32:11,806 Robert Hughes telling his lies, and no alternate suspect. 685 00:32:12,015 --> 00:32:14,851 And so I'm screwed. 686 00:32:15,059 --> 00:32:17,103 They're charging me with first-degree murder, 687 00:32:17,312 --> 00:32:19,814 which carries 26 years to life in state prison. 688 00:32:20,023 --> 00:32:22,442 It's longer than I'd been alive. 689 00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:24,944 A day and a half in, my attorney comes to me 690 00:32:25,153 --> 00:32:26,821 in the holding tank and says, 691 00:32:27,030 --> 00:32:30,033 "The judge is willing to entertain a guilty plea 692 00:32:30,241 --> 00:32:32,118 in exchange for a youth authority sentence." 693 00:32:32,327 --> 00:32:34,621 I talk with my dad, I said, "Guilty plea, what... 694 00:32:34,829 --> 00:32:36,640 You know, I'm not going to take a guilty plea." 695 00:32:36,664 --> 00:32:38,416 And he said, "I... I hear you." 696 00:32:38,625 --> 00:32:40,919 And a close friend of my... Of the family, 697 00:32:41,127 --> 00:32:44,047 my father's best friend, comes to the juvenile hall 698 00:32:44,255 --> 00:32:46,507 and says, "You have to... You have to accept this plea." 699 00:32:46,716 --> 00:32:48,516 I said, "No, I'm not going to accept anything. 700 00:32:48,593 --> 00:32:50,433 I didn't do anything. I'm not gonna you know... " 701 00:32:50,511 --> 00:32:52,391 And he says, "Look," and he pounds his hand down 702 00:32:52,472 --> 00:32:54,515 on the bench that we're sitting on, 703 00:32:54,724 --> 00:32:56,809 and he goes, "They are going to convict you 704 00:32:57,018 --> 00:33:00,313 of first fucking degree murder unless you plead guilty." 705 00:33:00,521 --> 00:33:04,192 And he's practically crying, as am I right now. 706 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,819 He goes, "Look, do whatever you have to do to get home." 707 00:33:07,028 --> 00:33:09,530 You are the law. 708 00:33:09,739 --> 00:33:12,116 The defendant is not guilty. 709 00:33:12,325 --> 00:33:14,661 No man is above the law. 710 00:33:14,869 --> 00:33:18,122 What we see on most TV shows is not reality. 711 00:33:18,331 --> 00:33:20,667 Our justice system isn't what you think it is. 712 00:33:20,875 --> 00:33:22,293 Rolling Stone magazine 713 00:33:22,502 --> 00:33:24,462 considers Wayne Kramer of The MC5 714 00:33:24,671 --> 00:33:27,423 one of the top 100 greatest guitarists of all time. 715 00:33:27,632 --> 00:33:30,510 He battled drug addiction and in 1975, 716 00:33:30,718 --> 00:33:33,388 went to prison for two years for selling cocaine. 717 00:33:33,596 --> 00:33:35,932 He's since provided guitars and taught music 718 00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:38,726 to inmates at over 50 correctional institutions 719 00:33:38,935 --> 00:33:40,186 throughout the United States. 720 00:33:40,395 --> 00:33:42,230 People think that, you know, 721 00:33:42,438 --> 00:33:44,598 you have a right to a trial and everybody goes to trial 722 00:33:44,732 --> 00:33:47,610 and there's the good prosecutor and the defense attorney, 723 00:33:47,819 --> 00:33:48,903 and they battle it out. 724 00:33:49,112 --> 00:33:50,530 That ain't the way it works. 725 00:33:50,738 --> 00:33:52,615 The way it works is the prosecutors 726 00:33:52,824 --> 00:33:56,119 stack up the charges on you and force you to plead guilty 727 00:33:56,327 --> 00:33:59,247 to a lesser charge to keep from doing life 728 00:33:59,455 --> 00:34:01,124 or double life or triple life. 729 00:34:01,332 --> 00:34:04,836 People don't get trials. What they get is a deal. 730 00:34:05,044 --> 00:34:08,006 People suggest that anywhere between, you know, 731 00:34:08,214 --> 00:34:12,010 three or 10 and 15% of people behind bars 732 00:34:12,218 --> 00:34:15,805 could be innocent of the crimes of which they were charged. 733 00:34:16,014 --> 00:34:18,891 Michelle Alexander is a civil rights lawyer, 734 00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:22,562 Stanford law professor and the author of The New Jim Crow, 735 00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:24,814 one of the most highly acclaimed studies 736 00:34:25,023 --> 00:34:26,524 of America's criminal justice system. 737 00:34:26,733 --> 00:34:29,444 The reality is, is that thousands of people 738 00:34:29,652 --> 00:34:32,488 every year in the United States 739 00:34:32,697 --> 00:34:36,075 wind up pleading guilty to crimes 740 00:34:36,284 --> 00:34:37,660 they may not have committed 741 00:34:37,869 --> 00:34:41,664 because they are either railroaded 742 00:34:41,873 --> 00:34:44,584 by police officers who give them false information 743 00:34:44,792 --> 00:34:48,421 or coerce confessions or because they were afraid 744 00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:52,592 of facing, you know, harsh mandatory minimum sentences 745 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,179 and believe that, you know, their best chance 746 00:34:56,387 --> 00:34:57,722 is to just take a plea. 747 00:34:57,930 --> 00:34:59,182 You're an average Joe. 748 00:34:59,390 --> 00:35:00,892 You don't know anything about, 749 00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:02,619 the prison, the politics in county jail. 750 00:35:02,643 --> 00:35:04,145 You don't know anything. 751 00:35:04,353 --> 00:35:06,064 So they put you there with these people, 752 00:35:06,272 --> 00:35:08,733 and this is how they force you to take deals, you know. 753 00:35:08,941 --> 00:35:11,086 You're around people that you see on the news that are, 754 00:35:11,110 --> 00:35:12,990 "Oh, those are horrible people, and the same guy 755 00:35:13,154 --> 00:35:14,822 you just saw on the news is your bunkie. 756 00:35:15,031 --> 00:35:16,657 Of course you're gonna take a deal. 757 00:35:16,866 --> 00:35:18,677 Get me away from these people. This is the system. 758 00:35:18,701 --> 00:35:20,369 This is what they do to you. 759 00:35:20,578 --> 00:35:22,458 They understand that if we put this guy in here, 760 00:35:22,663 --> 00:35:24,383 if you did it or not, it doesn't even matter 761 00:35:24,457 --> 00:35:26,417 because you're looking at the end result. 762 00:35:26,626 --> 00:35:29,170 I can't take another fucking day in this place. 763 00:35:29,378 --> 00:35:32,173 Whatever you say, I'll do. So just let me out. 764 00:35:32,381 --> 00:35:34,634 Once you're arrested and charged with a crime, 765 00:35:34,842 --> 00:35:37,178 understand you will be taking a plea bargain 766 00:35:37,386 --> 00:35:38,888 nine out of 10 times. 767 00:35:39,097 --> 00:35:41,516 You have to. The system is against you. 768 00:35:41,724 --> 00:35:43,724 The US justice system isn't like any justice system 769 00:35:43,893 --> 00:35:47,313 in the world, a system where 95% of the cases 770 00:35:47,522 --> 00:35:48,940 are resolved by plea bargain. 771 00:35:49,148 --> 00:35:50,775 You know, it's no longer a trial system. 772 00:35:50,983 --> 00:35:52,485 It's a plea bargain system. 773 00:35:52,693 --> 00:35:56,322 If the enormous percentage of defendants 774 00:35:56,531 --> 00:36:00,243 who plead guilty suddenly one day said, 775 00:36:00,451 --> 00:36:03,579 "We're not pleading guilty," 776 00:36:03,788 --> 00:36:06,249 the system would grind to a halt. 777 00:36:06,457 --> 00:36:08,918 The court system does not have the capacity 778 00:36:09,127 --> 00:36:10,545 for the current number of defendants 779 00:36:10,753 --> 00:36:12,130 that are passing through it. 780 00:36:12,338 --> 00:36:13,673 The whole purpose of plea bargains 781 00:36:13,881 --> 00:36:16,008 from the perspective of a prosecutor 782 00:36:16,217 --> 00:36:17,301 raises his conviction rate. 783 00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:19,303 So prosecutors typically have 784 00:36:19,512 --> 00:36:21,931 in the high-90 percentile conviction rates, 785 00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:26,686 including those plea bargains because of course, 786 00:36:26,894 --> 00:36:29,605 from a legal standpoint, we know that nobody 787 00:36:29,814 --> 00:36:32,567 would ever plead guilty to something they didn't do. 788 00:36:32,775 --> 00:36:35,194 And so, we agreed that I would plead guilty 789 00:36:35,403 --> 00:36:37,697 in exchange for a youth authority sentence. 790 00:36:37,905 --> 00:36:40,616 We went back into trial, we entered the plea, 791 00:36:40,825 --> 00:36:42,785 and I went down for a 90-day observation 792 00:36:42,994 --> 00:36:44,954 at the youth authority in Norwalk. 793 00:36:45,163 --> 00:36:47,790 The challenge is if you're innocent 794 00:36:47,999 --> 00:36:50,710 and you plead guilty, you better be a good liar. 795 00:36:50,918 --> 00:36:52,678 You go down there, you talk to psychologists, 796 00:36:52,879 --> 00:36:54,359 and they ask you, "So, did you do it?" 797 00:36:54,422 --> 00:36:56,090 Well, you have to say yes 798 00:36:56,299 --> 00:36:57,484 because it has to be consistent with everything. 799 00:36:57,508 --> 00:36:59,135 "Well, how'd you do it?" 800 00:36:59,343 --> 00:37:01,971 I didn't have adequate answers for these questions. 801 00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:05,057 So, they didn't buy it, in a sense. 802 00:37:05,266 --> 00:37:06,767 And, you know, rightly so. 803 00:37:06,976 --> 00:37:09,312 And they sent a report that was dispositive, 804 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,647 a negative report back to the judge. 805 00:37:11,856 --> 00:37:13,900 And he said, "I didn't realize that youth authority 806 00:37:14,108 --> 00:37:16,903 wouldn't be able to help you, and so I'll allow you 807 00:37:17,111 --> 00:37:19,530 to take back your guilty plea and go ahead with trial. 808 00:37:19,739 --> 00:37:21,824 Or I'll sentence you to state prison right now." 809 00:37:22,033 --> 00:37:25,578 So that began another period of waiting. 810 00:37:25,786 --> 00:37:27,788 It would be well over a year 811 00:37:27,997 --> 00:37:30,291 before Bruce would get another trial date. 812 00:37:30,499 --> 00:37:33,044 23 hours a day in a cell in isolation, 813 00:37:33,252 --> 00:37:35,630 no contact with other juveniles, only counselors, 814 00:37:35,838 --> 00:37:39,383 one hour out for recreation. 815 00:37:39,592 --> 00:37:41,352 And while they might not be able to introduce 816 00:37:41,552 --> 00:37:44,138 an alternate suspect, Bruce demanded his lawyer 817 00:37:44,347 --> 00:37:48,935 knock down every argument the prosecution could make. 818 00:37:49,143 --> 00:37:52,396 The prosecutor said Bruce could not have seen his mother's body 819 00:37:52,605 --> 00:37:54,315 through the back window of the house. 820 00:37:54,523 --> 00:37:56,275 The sun's reflection in the glass 821 00:37:56,484 --> 00:37:58,486 and the furniture would've blocked his view. 822 00:37:58,694 --> 00:38:00,863 His defense was the crime scene pictures 823 00:38:01,072 --> 00:38:03,324 were taken on a much sunnier day. 824 00:38:03,532 --> 00:38:06,118 The prosecution claimed all the bloody footprints 825 00:38:06,327 --> 00:38:08,788 in the house matched Bruce's shoes. 826 00:38:08,996 --> 00:38:10,748 Bruce's defense said his fingerprints 827 00:38:10,957 --> 00:38:12,959 were not found anywhere in the crime scene. 828 00:38:13,167 --> 00:38:15,670 There was no evidence that he wiped anything down 829 00:38:15,878 --> 00:38:17,797 or made any attempt to cover his tracks 830 00:38:18,005 --> 00:38:20,383 because Bruce had nothing to hide. 831 00:38:20,591 --> 00:38:22,593 The prosecution called Robert Hughes, 832 00:38:22,802 --> 00:38:25,554 who claimed Bruce confessed in the 7000 module 833 00:38:25,763 --> 00:38:28,432 of county jail, and the defense compared 834 00:38:28,641 --> 00:38:31,185 Robert Hughes to a used car salesman 835 00:38:31,394 --> 00:38:33,104 who wasn't to be trusted. 836 00:38:33,312 --> 00:38:36,315 Then, one day, they rapped their keys on the door 837 00:38:36,524 --> 00:38:38,818 and they said, "Lisker, it's a verdict." 838 00:38:39,026 --> 00:38:40,403 And my dad was there. 839 00:38:40,611 --> 00:38:42,029 He was there just every court day, 840 00:38:42,238 --> 00:38:43,798 and he was right there in the front row, 841 00:38:43,948 --> 00:38:46,826 and we were just, you know... Eye contact, 842 00:38:47,034 --> 00:38:49,274 but you can't really talk because you're not allowed to... 843 00:38:49,328 --> 00:38:50,830 It's not a visit, you know, 844 00:38:51,038 --> 00:38:53,958 you're not allowed to visit with your... 845 00:38:54,166 --> 00:38:58,671 But he was... he was there, and the jury comes in 846 00:38:58,879 --> 00:39:01,841 one by one, you know, excruciatingly slow, 847 00:39:02,049 --> 00:39:05,720 sits down, and the judge speaks. 848 00:39:05,928 --> 00:39:08,097 "Have you reached a verdict?" "Yes, we have. 849 00:39:08,306 --> 00:39:11,767 In the matter of People vs. Bruce Lisker, 850 00:39:11,976 --> 00:39:14,395 we the jury find the defendant..." 851 00:39:14,603 --> 00:39:18,107 and they said "guilty." 852 00:39:18,316 --> 00:39:19,608 And it was just... 853 00:39:22,528 --> 00:39:24,822 The bottom literally fell out of my world. 854 00:39:25,031 --> 00:39:27,491 That's it. It's over, isn't it? 855 00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:28,951 It's my life. 856 00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:37,251 When you've been falsely accused, 857 00:39:37,460 --> 00:39:40,796 your only hope is for your attorney 858 00:39:41,005 --> 00:39:44,342 to directly challenge the veracity of the police. 859 00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:46,969 My attorney seemed unwilling to go that far. 860 00:39:47,178 --> 00:39:48,888 He never outright said, "Isn't it true 861 00:39:49,096 --> 00:39:50,696 that you're just lying about all of this? 862 00:39:50,806 --> 00:39:52,641 Here's the investigatory work that I did 863 00:39:52,850 --> 00:39:54,477 that proves that you're just a liar." 864 00:39:54,685 --> 00:39:56,604 And he never did that. 865 00:39:56,812 --> 00:39:59,357 And this is part of a larger problem 866 00:39:59,565 --> 00:40:02,109 that David Sirota calls the authority bias. 867 00:40:02,318 --> 00:40:04,945 Authority bias meaning the government, an institution 868 00:40:05,154 --> 00:40:07,448 says somebody did something, and they must've done it. 869 00:40:07,656 --> 00:40:10,242 And what's strange about it is that this is a country 870 00:40:10,451 --> 00:40:12,203 that in one way the American zeitgeist is, 871 00:40:12,411 --> 00:40:14,097 "I don't trust... the government can't do anything right. 872 00:40:14,121 --> 00:40:15,998 I don't trust anything the government says." 873 00:40:16,207 --> 00:40:18,584 And yet at another level, at the very same time 874 00:40:18,793 --> 00:40:21,128 that that's the dominant rhetorical paradigm 875 00:40:21,337 --> 00:40:25,216 in our politics, there is this authority bias 876 00:40:25,424 --> 00:40:28,427 where, when the government accuses somebody of a crime 877 00:40:28,636 --> 00:40:31,889 or says somebody's a wrongdoer, reflexively, millions 878 00:40:32,098 --> 00:40:34,058 and millions of Americans think it must be true. 879 00:40:34,266 --> 00:40:35,768 - Am I free to go? - No, you're not. 880 00:40:35,976 --> 00:40:37,269 Your freedom is secondary. 881 00:40:37,478 --> 00:40:39,021 You're not allowed to be holding me. 882 00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:40,830 Would you like to be placed under arrest? 883 00:40:40,898 --> 00:40:42,858 You're not allowed to arrest me. 884 00:40:48,322 --> 00:40:52,284 In the 1960s, Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram 885 00:40:52,493 --> 00:40:54,954 ran an experiment to see how often human beings 886 00:40:55,162 --> 00:40:57,498 would obey an authority figure and follow orders, 887 00:40:57,706 --> 00:40:59,959 even if doing so ran completely against 888 00:41:00,167 --> 00:41:01,836 their personal code of morality. 889 00:41:02,044 --> 00:41:03,754 How is it possible, I asked myself, 890 00:41:03,963 --> 00:41:06,549 that ordinary people who are courteous and decent 891 00:41:06,757 --> 00:41:10,678 in everyday life can act callously, inhumanely, 892 00:41:10,886 --> 00:41:12,680 without any limitations of conscious? 893 00:41:12,888 --> 00:41:14,807 450 volts. 894 00:41:15,015 --> 00:41:17,351 In Milgram's experiment, participants were told 895 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,563 by a scientist in uniform to electrocute a subject 896 00:41:20,771 --> 00:41:24,483 for each wrong answer on a test at ever increasing voltages. 897 00:41:24,692 --> 00:41:26,527 Are you all right? 898 00:41:26,735 --> 00:41:28,988 Please continue, teacher. 899 00:41:29,196 --> 00:41:31,657 - Do I keep giving him shocks? - Continue. 900 00:41:31,866 --> 00:41:33,784 - I'm up to 390. - Continue, please. 901 00:41:36,162 --> 00:41:39,790 The participants had no idea the subjects were just actors. 902 00:41:39,999 --> 00:41:41,500 And although many protested, 903 00:41:41,709 --> 00:41:43,711 Milgram found a strong majority, 904 00:41:43,919 --> 00:41:47,548 over 65% of participants would shock the subject 905 00:41:47,756 --> 00:41:49,300 to the point of killing them 906 00:41:49,508 --> 00:41:52,052 if instructed by an authority figure. 907 00:41:52,261 --> 00:41:54,638 330 volts. 908 00:41:57,475 --> 00:42:00,060 Let me out of here! Let me out of here! 909 00:42:00,269 --> 00:42:02,855 My heart's bothering me! Let me out, I tell you! 910 00:42:03,063 --> 00:42:04,440 Let me out of here! 911 00:42:04,648 --> 00:42:05,983 You have no right to hold me here! 912 00:42:06,192 --> 00:42:08,569 Let me out! Let me out! Let me out! 913 00:42:08,777 --> 00:42:10,905 Milgram concluded that very few people 914 00:42:11,113 --> 00:42:13,699 have the psychological capacity to resist authority. 915 00:42:13,908 --> 00:42:15,951 The way we have the system set up, 916 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,371 the policeman's uniform, gun at their side, the badge, 917 00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:23,000 they're treated with the same deference as our military. 918 00:42:23,209 --> 00:42:25,753 It's like they're infallible. 919 00:42:25,961 --> 00:42:29,131 With judges, we drape them in robes like priests 920 00:42:29,340 --> 00:42:31,592 and literally put them up on a pedestal. 921 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,594 The system hierarchy, which has almost 922 00:42:33,802 --> 00:42:36,639 no real checks and balances, no accountability... 923 00:42:36,847 --> 00:42:39,767 Or transparency, is so deeply entrenched in our culture... 924 00:42:39,975 --> 00:42:42,144 Most people would never even think to question it. 925 00:42:42,353 --> 00:42:44,188 We never see how flawed it is. 926 00:42:52,780 --> 00:42:56,033 How do we resist the natural instinct to obey? 927 00:42:56,242 --> 00:42:58,452 Don't blindly trust authority figures. 928 00:42:58,661 --> 00:43:01,080 If you're given an order that feels questionable, 929 00:43:01,288 --> 00:43:02,790 check your conscience. 930 00:43:02,998 --> 00:43:05,084 The time to argue with a police officer 931 00:43:05,292 --> 00:43:07,002 is not the side of the road. 932 00:43:07,211 --> 00:43:09,171 Pick your battles wisely. 933 00:43:09,380 --> 00:43:11,924 If you can challenge authority 934 00:43:12,132 --> 00:43:14,510 without risking more than you're willing to lose 935 00:43:14,718 --> 00:43:17,221 and something feels wrong, don't obey. 936 00:43:17,429 --> 00:43:19,056 Don't obey even the smallest commands 937 00:43:19,265 --> 00:43:20,933 if you feel that they're wrong. 938 00:43:21,141 --> 00:43:22,953 The more that we accept and obey, the more we become 939 00:43:22,977 --> 00:43:25,521 - blind followers. - And now you're under control. 940 00:43:25,729 --> 00:43:27,982 In a world which is absolutely insane. 941 00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:30,276 To free ourselves from this authoritarian system 942 00:43:30,484 --> 00:43:32,069 in which we've now found ourselves 943 00:43:32,278 --> 00:43:33,821 is going to take a massive effort. 944 00:43:34,029 --> 00:43:37,616 And if you're afraid, I get it. Find an ally. 945 00:43:37,825 --> 00:43:39,410 Milgram's e x periment told us 946 00:43:39,618 --> 00:43:41,579 there's is great psychological power 947 00:43:41,787 --> 00:43:44,748 against authoritarianism in groups. 948 00:43:48,836 --> 00:43:52,131 Unfortunately, these techniques are not taught in school. 949 00:43:54,758 --> 00:43:57,039 And so if you're innocent and you find yourself in prison, 950 00:43:57,094 --> 00:43:59,346 it's hard to have any hope at all. 951 00:44:02,474 --> 00:44:04,977 A year later, Mike Ryan robbed 952 00:44:05,185 --> 00:44:06,979 another woman at knife point 953 00:44:07,187 --> 00:44:09,732 and was sentenced to six years for armed robbery. 954 00:44:09,940 --> 00:44:11,692 But other than Bruce and his father, 955 00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:14,361 nobody had connected Mike Ryan to the murder 956 00:44:14,570 --> 00:44:17,197 besides other inmates like Jeff Deskovic, 957 00:44:17,406 --> 00:44:20,034 another wrongfully convicted man trying to prove 958 00:44:20,242 --> 00:44:22,328 his innocence and losing hope. 959 00:44:22,536 --> 00:44:25,331 I remember reading about Bruce Lisker's case 960 00:44:25,539 --> 00:44:28,167 in the magazine Justice Denied. 961 00:44:28,375 --> 00:44:29,918 They allow people who allege 962 00:44:30,127 --> 00:44:31,837 that they've been wrongfully convicted 963 00:44:32,046 --> 00:44:35,591 who have a plausible story to write about their case 964 00:44:35,799 --> 00:44:38,093 with the hope that more public attention will come. 965 00:44:38,302 --> 00:44:41,722 When I read about Bruce's case, it was reaffirming to me 966 00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:44,516 that I was on the right path 967 00:44:44,725 --> 00:44:48,020 because even though he hadn't been e x onerated, 968 00:44:48,228 --> 00:44:51,607 he was still looking for help, he hadn't given up. 969 00:44:51,815 --> 00:44:55,361 You can't give up, no matter how long it takes. 970 00:44:55,569 --> 00:44:58,030 And it could take a long time. 971 00:44:58,238 --> 00:44:59,798 One of the biggest factors in why the US 972 00:44:59,990 --> 00:45:02,493 has the largest prison population in the world 973 00:45:02,701 --> 00:45:05,037 is the length of our prison sentences. 974 00:45:05,245 --> 00:45:08,540 The average sentence for burglary in Canada 975 00:45:08,749 --> 00:45:10,793 and in England is around six months. 976 00:45:11,001 --> 00:45:14,880 In the US, it's around a year and a half. 977 00:45:15,089 --> 00:45:17,966 In other developed countries, a drug offense might land you 978 00:45:18,175 --> 00:45:20,469 a year, year and a half in jail. 979 00:45:20,678 --> 00:45:23,722 In the US, it's five to ten years or more. 980 00:45:23,931 --> 00:45:25,516 If you're a black man in America, 981 00:45:25,724 --> 00:45:28,435 your sentence will be 20% longer 982 00:45:28,644 --> 00:45:31,897 than if you're a white man for the exact same crime. 983 00:45:32,106 --> 00:45:35,359 The federal law still holds marijuana 984 00:45:35,567 --> 00:45:39,613 as equal to heroin, which is unfathomable. 985 00:45:39,822 --> 00:45:42,032 These bullshit laws that are old 986 00:45:42,241 --> 00:45:45,744 and prehistoric needs to be changed. 987 00:45:45,953 --> 00:45:48,497 I met a woman that had a first offense, 988 00:45:48,706 --> 00:45:52,960 nothing more than $5 worth of crack cocaine 989 00:45:53,168 --> 00:45:55,879 and was sentenced to jail in 1979 990 00:45:56,088 --> 00:45:59,675 and didn't come home until 2014. 991 00:45:59,883 --> 00:46:01,719 And she said to me, 992 00:46:01,927 --> 00:46:04,221 "I don't know how to use no phone. 993 00:46:09,435 --> 00:46:13,772 I don't know how to send a text. I don't know how to email." 994 00:46:19,278 --> 00:46:20,863 I'm sorry. 995 00:46:24,533 --> 00:46:26,326 High incarceration rates 996 00:46:26,535 --> 00:46:29,163 and longer than necessary prison terms 997 00:46:29,371 --> 00:46:31,415 have not played a significant role 998 00:46:31,623 --> 00:46:34,126 in materially improving public safety, 999 00:46:34,334 --> 00:46:37,212 reducing crime, or strengthening communities. 1000 00:46:37,421 --> 00:46:39,923 In fact, the opposite is often true. 1001 00:46:40,132 --> 00:46:41,675 And as it turns out, 1002 00:46:41,884 --> 00:46:43,802 we've known this for a long time. 1003 00:46:44,011 --> 00:46:46,889 In the 1970s, criminologists had developed 1004 00:46:47,097 --> 00:46:50,517 this consensus that, you know, prisons just didn't work. 1005 00:46:50,726 --> 00:46:54,062 But this consensus was interrupted 1006 00:46:54,271 --> 00:46:57,816 by a political movement, racial anxiety, 1007 00:46:58,025 --> 00:47:01,278 racial resentment, and also to capitalize on, you know, 1008 00:47:01,487 --> 00:47:04,239 growing public fear as crime rates were beginning to rise. 1009 00:47:04,448 --> 00:47:06,283 And, you know, as politicians found 1010 00:47:06,492 --> 00:47:08,869 that this get-tough rhetoric, you know, sold well 1011 00:47:09,077 --> 00:47:11,163 to the public, all of the research and studies 1012 00:47:11,371 --> 00:47:13,165 that suggested that prisons didn't work 1013 00:47:13,373 --> 00:47:15,375 were shoved lightly to the side, 1014 00:47:15,584 --> 00:47:17,377 and we went on a prison-building boom 1015 00:47:17,586 --> 00:47:20,047 unlike anything the world had ever seen before. 1016 00:47:20,255 --> 00:47:22,716 And this was compounded by the war on drugs. 1017 00:47:22,925 --> 00:47:24,802 The drug war was born 1018 00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:28,347 with a particular group of people in mind as the enemy. 1019 00:47:28,555 --> 00:47:30,891 We must wage what I have called total war 1020 00:47:31,099 --> 00:47:34,520 against public enemy number one, the problem of dangerous drugs. 1021 00:47:34,728 --> 00:47:37,689 Poor people, particularly, black people 1022 00:47:37,898 --> 00:47:40,484 were defined as the enemy in the war on drugs. 1023 00:47:40,692 --> 00:47:42,528 They were defined that way politically 1024 00:47:42,736 --> 00:47:44,530 but also through media imagery. 1025 00:47:44,738 --> 00:47:46,740 The nation's crack cocaine epidemic 1026 00:47:46,949 --> 00:47:48,617 is taking a new and dangerous turn. 1027 00:47:48,826 --> 00:47:51,370 White people, brown people, and black people 1028 00:47:51,578 --> 00:47:55,916 all use drugs and sell drugs at the same rate. 1029 00:47:56,124 --> 00:47:59,253 But if we look at who's serving time in America's prisons... 1030 00:47:59,461 --> 00:48:01,338 The law enforcement apparatus 1031 00:48:01,547 --> 00:48:04,258 is deployed disproportionately against people of color. 1032 00:48:04,466 --> 00:48:06,093 Oh, look at that. 1033 00:48:06,301 --> 00:48:09,221 And the war on drugs also bears a major responsibility 1034 00:48:09,429 --> 00:48:11,723 for racial bias in our prison system 1035 00:48:11,932 --> 00:48:14,476 as African-Americans are arrested for drug offenses 1036 00:48:14,685 --> 00:48:18,355 at 10 times the rate of whites and serve longer sentences. 1037 00:48:18,564 --> 00:48:22,025 Although people of color make up only 30% of our populations, 1038 00:48:22,234 --> 00:48:24,444 they make up 60% of our prisons. 1039 00:48:24,653 --> 00:48:26,488 By the most conservative estimates, 1040 00:48:26,697 --> 00:48:28,949 if we keep going the way we're going, 1041 00:48:29,157 --> 00:48:31,326 one in four black men born today will go to jail 1042 00:48:31,535 --> 00:48:33,161 at some point in their lifetime. 1043 00:48:33,370 --> 00:48:36,707 An estimated 5.3 million Americans are denied 1044 00:48:36,915 --> 00:48:40,252 the right to vote based on a past felony conviction. 1045 00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:43,547 And that impacts men of color more than anyone else. 1046 00:48:43,755 --> 00:48:46,174 This has got to change. 1047 00:48:46,383 --> 00:48:49,928 You know, with any war, there is some collateral damage, 1048 00:48:50,137 --> 00:48:52,472 and although white people may not have been 1049 00:48:52,681 --> 00:48:55,559 the original targets, they may not have been 1050 00:48:55,767 --> 00:48:58,937 the inspiration for the war, 1051 00:48:59,146 --> 00:49:02,441 many white people, particularly poor 1052 00:49:02,649 --> 00:49:06,737 and working-class white folks, have found themselves swept in. 1053 00:49:06,945 --> 00:49:09,531 I'm very patriotic. Love my country. 1054 00:49:09,740 --> 00:49:11,060 Not real happy with my government, 1055 00:49:11,241 --> 00:49:12,743 but I love my country. 1056 00:49:12,951 --> 00:49:14,703 Paul Rickett is a US Army veteran 1057 00:49:14,912 --> 00:49:16,705 who served in the Gulf War. 1058 00:49:16,914 --> 00:49:21,418 I was out like about three weeks when I got busted for LSD. 1059 00:49:21,627 --> 00:49:23,795 I never sold acid. I never made a dime off of acid. 1060 00:49:24,004 --> 00:49:25,881 I took acid on the weekends. 1061 00:49:26,089 --> 00:49:28,300 I reimbursed my buddy for what he paid for it 1062 00:49:28,508 --> 00:49:30,636 so that he wasn't giving it to me for free. 1063 00:49:30,844 --> 00:49:32,596 If you want to call that trafficking, 1064 00:49:32,804 --> 00:49:35,682 then I guess I'm a trafficker, But it was personal use. 1065 00:49:35,891 --> 00:49:37,351 We would just fry and play Frisbee 1066 00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:39,019 and listen to rock 'n' roll. 1067 00:49:39,227 --> 00:49:41,188 Drug offenses are another major reason 1068 00:49:41,396 --> 00:49:44,191 for America's overflowing prison population. 1069 00:49:44,399 --> 00:49:46,526 The US locks up more people for drugs 1070 00:49:46,735 --> 00:49:48,654 than any other country on the planet. 1071 00:49:48,862 --> 00:49:51,490 There are over half a million Americans 1072 00:49:51,698 --> 00:49:53,825 locked up for drugs on any given day, 1073 00:49:54,034 --> 00:49:55,702 and Paul was one of them. 1074 00:49:55,911 --> 00:49:57,454 He was facing a lot of time. 1075 00:49:57,663 --> 00:49:59,164 Facing 10-year mandatory minimum. 1076 00:49:59,373 --> 00:50:00,874 Then they offered him a deal. 1077 00:50:01,083 --> 00:50:02,560 For not forcing the government to go through 1078 00:50:02,584 --> 00:50:04,127 the time and expense of trial. 1079 00:50:04,336 --> 00:50:06,588 All he had to do was plead guilty. 1080 00:50:06,797 --> 00:50:10,175 And after some painful consideration, I took it. 1081 00:50:10,384 --> 00:50:12,552 And after all those years in prison, 1082 00:50:12,761 --> 00:50:14,388 one thing bothered Paul the most. 1083 00:50:14,596 --> 00:50:16,282 You know, here we are in this modern society 1084 00:50:16,306 --> 00:50:17,808 where we're a melting pot 1085 00:50:18,016 --> 00:50:20,102 and everybody's getting along for the most part. 1086 00:50:20,310 --> 00:50:21,812 And then in prison, you know, 1087 00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:23,289 it's completely the opposite, you know. 1088 00:50:23,313 --> 00:50:24,773 As soon as you get in there, 1089 00:50:24,982 --> 00:50:26,650 if you weren't a racist when you went in, 1090 00:50:26,858 --> 00:50:28,778 they require you to be one as soon as you get in. 1091 00:50:28,902 --> 00:50:30,862 Every single jail and prison in America, 1092 00:50:31,071 --> 00:50:34,199 every one I've ever been to, it's all divided up by race. 1093 00:50:34,408 --> 00:50:36,201 Everything's segregated in there. 1094 00:50:36,410 --> 00:50:38,996 You have the white phone, and you have the Mexican phone, 1095 00:50:39,204 --> 00:50:41,540 and you have the black phone, and you have the Asian phone. 1096 00:50:41,748 --> 00:50:44,209 It seems the racism that helped spark the e x plosion 1097 00:50:44,418 --> 00:50:46,420 of America's prison system 1098 00:50:46,628 --> 00:50:49,131 still burns like a raging fire within its walls 1099 00:50:49,339 --> 00:50:51,633 shamefully hidden from the public eye. 1100 00:50:51,842 --> 00:50:54,553 It was a very strict code of, 1101 00:50:54,761 --> 00:50:56,972 depending on your race, this is what we do. 1102 00:50:57,180 --> 00:51:01,727 Even the prison guards promote this. 1103 00:51:01,935 --> 00:51:05,147 Some people theorize that it's a way for the guards 1104 00:51:05,355 --> 00:51:08,900 to keep control over us because if we all got along, 1105 00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:12,154 then who would really be running the prison? 1106 00:51:12,362 --> 00:51:13,822 Us or the guards? 1107 00:51:14,031 --> 00:51:15,471 There's one guard for every 100 guys. 1108 00:51:15,657 --> 00:51:17,576 Prison society is further divided 1109 00:51:17,784 --> 00:51:19,578 from race into gangs. 1110 00:51:19,786 --> 00:51:21,747 So it helps to either be in one 1111 00:51:21,955 --> 00:51:23,665 or be from the right neighborhood. 1112 00:51:23,874 --> 00:51:26,001 On my ride to prison, the guy that was ne x t to me, 1113 00:51:26,209 --> 00:51:28,211 he was just a regular dude from Long Beach. 1114 00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:30,020 He played basketball at Poly high school. 1115 00:51:30,213 --> 00:51:31,774 He was a regular dude. He had a flat top. 1116 00:51:31,798 --> 00:51:33,550 You know what I mean, and, you know, 1117 00:51:33,759 --> 00:51:37,137 he was going to prison for... He had took a deal for... 1118 00:51:37,345 --> 00:51:39,681 I believe it was like spousal abuse. 1119 00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:41,650 Him and his girl... It was a terrorist threat. 1120 00:51:41,767 --> 00:51:44,186 In the United States, a terrorist threat 1121 00:51:44,394 --> 00:51:46,480 covers any statement that contains 1122 00:51:46,688 --> 00:51:48,857 the threat of violence against another person. 1123 00:51:49,066 --> 00:51:51,651 In this case, Reggie is talking about an argument a man 1124 00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:54,020 was having with his girlfriend where he threatened her. 1125 00:51:54,112 --> 00:51:55,739 He told her he was gonna beat her ass 1126 00:51:55,947 --> 00:51:57,592 or whatever it was, it was a terrorist threat. 1127 00:51:57,616 --> 00:51:59,135 There was no physical violence or anything, 1128 00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:00,869 but he took a deal for 18 months, 1129 00:52:01,078 --> 00:52:02,998 and he was only supposed to do like eight months. 1130 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,415 You take a deal for 18 months, you're gonna do five or 10. 1131 00:52:05,624 --> 00:52:07,084 So he fell for the bullshit. 1132 00:52:07,292 --> 00:52:08,627 The first night we got there, 1133 00:52:08,835 --> 00:52:10,212 they ask who's from South Central. 1134 00:52:10,420 --> 00:52:12,255 I'm from South Central. Where you from? 1135 00:52:12,464 --> 00:52:14,650 Explain to them where I'm from. Your homeboys are over here. 1136 00:52:14,674 --> 00:52:16,754 They're gonna direct you where you're supposed to go. 1137 00:52:16,885 --> 00:52:18,553 This guy, he didn't have anybody. 1138 00:52:18,762 --> 00:52:20,347 He was just from Long Beach, you know? 1139 00:52:20,555 --> 00:52:22,766 He just was a regular dude, you know? 1140 00:52:22,974 --> 00:52:25,185 And that night I'm on my bunk, 1141 00:52:25,393 --> 00:52:27,354 and I'm listening to what's going on and I'm... 1142 00:52:27,562 --> 00:52:29,106 At first, I thought they were playing 1143 00:52:29,314 --> 00:52:30,583 because that's what it started off 1144 00:52:30,607 --> 00:52:32,234 was this is the whole gimmick. 1145 00:52:32,442 --> 00:52:35,195 Everything is a ploy to lead to something else. 1146 00:52:35,403 --> 00:52:37,239 That's why they tell you don't let anybody 1147 00:52:37,447 --> 00:52:39,127 touch you in jail, and he didn't know this. 1148 00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:40,843 He didn't understand that you're not supposed 1149 00:52:40,867 --> 00:52:42,267 to wrestle with somebody in the cell 1150 00:52:42,369 --> 00:52:44,246 because this is what they're doing, 1151 00:52:44,454 --> 00:52:46,735 trying to see if they can get you in a vulnerable position 1152 00:52:46,873 --> 00:52:48,458 I'm on my bunk, and I'm listening to it, 1153 00:52:48,667 --> 00:52:50,377 and I'm thinking, damn, ain't somebody 1154 00:52:50,585 --> 00:52:52,796 gonna come help this dude? 1155 00:52:53,004 --> 00:52:54,548 I mean, and they didn't. 1156 00:52:54,756 --> 00:52:58,135 That night in his cell, they raped him. 1157 00:52:58,343 --> 00:53:00,971 According to the Department of Justice, 1158 00:53:01,179 --> 00:53:04,057 nearly one in 10 prisoners suffer sexual abuse 1159 00:53:04,266 --> 00:53:06,476 while in American jails and prisons. 1160 00:53:06,685 --> 00:53:09,146 A quarter of those also reported serious injury 1161 00:53:09,354 --> 00:53:12,732 like chipped or lost teeth, being knocked unconscious, 1162 00:53:12,941 --> 00:53:15,193 broken bones, or worse. 1163 00:53:15,402 --> 00:53:18,238 So let's keep that in mind the next time a talk show host, 1164 00:53:18,446 --> 00:53:20,657 a government official, or anybody 1165 00:53:20,866 --> 00:53:22,993 makes a joke about prison rape. 1166 00:53:23,201 --> 00:53:25,287 The fact that we find these jokes acceptable 1167 00:53:25,495 --> 00:53:28,415 shows just how far we've gone in normalizing rape 1168 00:53:28,623 --> 00:53:31,042 as a just punishment for any offense. 1169 00:53:31,251 --> 00:53:33,712 As long as we keep imagining that people in prison 1170 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,047 are subhuman, that they're predatory 1171 00:53:36,256 --> 00:53:38,091 and incorrigible and nothing like you and me, 1172 00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:41,011 why would we lose any sleep about what their lives are like 1173 00:53:41,219 --> 00:53:42,512 or what's happening to them? 1174 00:53:42,721 --> 00:53:45,432 There are now over 5,000 jails 1175 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,267 and prisons in the United States, 1176 00:53:47,475 --> 00:53:50,896 more than we have colleges and universities. 1177 00:53:51,104 --> 00:53:53,523 In many parts of America, particularly the South, 1178 00:53:53,732 --> 00:53:55,942 there are more people living in prisons 1179 00:53:56,151 --> 00:53:57,861 then on college campuses 1180 00:53:58,069 --> 00:54:01,323 and a multi-billion-dollar business has emerged. 1181 00:54:03,241 --> 00:54:05,035 Brace yourself. 1182 00:54:05,243 --> 00:54:08,079 This is going to sound too barbaric to be real, 1183 00:54:08,288 --> 00:54:12,334 like medieval times, a science-fiction horror film, 1184 00:54:12,542 --> 00:54:14,669 or a French historical musical. 1185 00:54:14,878 --> 00:54:17,088 The 13th amendment of the Constitution 1186 00:54:17,297 --> 00:54:20,050 outlawed slavery, but it still allows 1187 00:54:20,258 --> 00:54:23,470 for forced labor if you're in prison. 1188 00:54:23,678 --> 00:54:26,932 Today, there are roughly 1 million American prisoners 1189 00:54:27,140 --> 00:54:30,518 working for corporations and in government industries. 1190 00:54:30,727 --> 00:54:32,646 There is no minimum wage, 1191 00:54:32,854 --> 00:54:35,315 so you could make as little as a few cents an hour. 1192 00:54:35,523 --> 00:54:37,776 Bruce worked in the kitchen for years 1193 00:54:37,984 --> 00:54:41,321 then in clerical jobs making a ma x imum of 32 cents an hour. 1194 00:54:41,529 --> 00:54:45,200 It sounds like another time or a Coen Brothers movie 1195 00:54:45,408 --> 00:54:47,160 but it's happening right now. 1196 00:54:47,369 --> 00:54:50,413 There are no benefits, no organizing, and no strikes. 1197 00:54:50,622 --> 00:54:54,125 And if you refuse to work, you can get put in the hole. 1198 00:54:57,128 --> 00:55:00,632 This is big business for state and for-profit prisons 1199 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,053 who sell inmate labor to Fortune 500's like Chevron, 1200 00:55:05,262 --> 00:55:09,182 Bank of America, AT&T, and the US military. 1201 00:55:09,391 --> 00:55:11,893 Nearly half the population in prison 1202 00:55:12,102 --> 00:55:14,980 make military uniforms, body armor, helmets, 1203 00:55:15,188 --> 00:55:17,440 and provide labor as subcontractors 1204 00:55:17,649 --> 00:55:19,484 for Fortune 500s. 1205 00:55:22,529 --> 00:55:25,699 They make office furniture, man call centers, 1206 00:55:25,907 --> 00:55:28,994 take hotel reservations, work in slaughterhouses. 1207 00:55:29,202 --> 00:55:34,082 Or manufacture textiles, shoes, and clothing for pennies. 1208 00:55:34,291 --> 00:55:37,127 Prison labor is part of why some state 1209 00:55:37,335 --> 00:55:40,880 and private prisons yield a multibillion-dollar profit. 1210 00:55:42,924 --> 00:55:45,385 Not only are prisoners used to make products, 1211 00:55:45,593 --> 00:55:48,263 prisoners themselves are sold as products. 1212 00:55:48,471 --> 00:55:50,140 Since the 1980s, 1213 00:55:50,348 --> 00:55:52,267 the prison population has boomed. 1214 00:55:52,475 --> 00:55:56,229 Now, 150 private prisons are paid billions 1215 00:55:56,438 --> 00:55:58,398 by state governments to house prisoners. 1216 00:55:58,606 --> 00:56:01,651 Private prisons do so well, some of their biggest investors 1217 00:56:01,860 --> 00:56:05,322 are banks like Wells Fargo or Bank of America. 1218 00:56:05,530 --> 00:56:10,368 Many private prisons demand 90 or even 100% occupancy, 1219 00:56:10,577 --> 00:56:13,788 meaning the taxpayer foots the bill for every bed, 1220 00:56:13,997 --> 00:56:15,582 even the fucking empty ones. 1221 00:56:15,790 --> 00:56:18,960 For-profit prisons are incentivized 1222 00:56:19,169 --> 00:56:22,172 to incarcerate more people and for longer periods of time 1223 00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:25,258 to fill their quotas, and to make sure that happens, 1224 00:56:25,467 --> 00:56:28,928 they spend millions pushing tough-on-crime bills. 1225 00:56:29,137 --> 00:56:31,890 Today, nearly 10% of America's prisoners 1226 00:56:32,098 --> 00:56:33,892 are held in private prisons. 1227 00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:37,896 They also spend millions influencing immigration law. 1228 00:56:38,104 --> 00:56:40,690 Half of detained immigrants are held in private prisons 1229 00:56:40,899 --> 00:56:43,693 for indefinite periods of time, often years, 1230 00:56:43,902 --> 00:56:45,653 exposed to brutal conditions. 1231 00:56:45,862 --> 00:56:47,322 And because they're not Americans, 1232 00:56:47,530 --> 00:56:49,449 the government gives them no right 1233 00:56:49,657 --> 00:56:53,453 to even the most basic legal representation or medical care. 1234 00:56:53,661 --> 00:56:56,373 The prisons are private companies. 1235 00:56:56,581 --> 00:57:01,961 Why would they want to decrease violence, okay? 1236 00:57:02,170 --> 00:57:03,588 Why would they want to improve 1237 00:57:03,797 --> 00:57:06,633 the quality of life of these people? 1238 00:57:06,841 --> 00:57:09,386 And then we call it justice, okay? 1239 00:57:09,594 --> 00:57:12,347 It's blood money. It's bad karma. 1240 00:57:12,555 --> 00:57:15,183 It's going to come back and haunt us 1241 00:57:15,392 --> 00:57:17,602 to the point of extinction. 1242 00:57:17,811 --> 00:57:20,188 Three housing facilities were set on fire. 1243 00:57:20,397 --> 00:57:22,732 It apparently all started over inmate frustration 1244 00:57:22,941 --> 00:57:24,692 over the quality of medical care. 1245 00:57:24,901 --> 00:57:26,152 Perhaps needless to say, 1246 00:57:26,361 --> 00:57:28,113 being treated like chattel 1247 00:57:28,321 --> 00:57:30,073 and used as forced labor for pennies an hour 1248 00:57:30,281 --> 00:57:32,450 is not that popular on the inside, 1249 00:57:32,659 --> 00:57:34,619 but that's not the worst of it. 1250 00:57:34,828 --> 00:57:36,329 The socks they issue you are used. 1251 00:57:36,538 --> 00:57:38,832 The underwear they issue you is used. 1252 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,334 You gotta buy things like shaving equipment 1253 00:57:41,543 --> 00:57:45,547 and food and sweats and socks, underwear, T-shirts. 1254 00:57:45,755 --> 00:57:48,842 The canteen, or commissary, is more expensive 1255 00:57:49,050 --> 00:57:51,010 than any convenience store on the outside. 1256 00:57:51,219 --> 00:57:53,096 It's definitely advisable to have money 1257 00:57:53,304 --> 00:57:54,639 so that you can get started. 1258 00:57:54,848 --> 00:57:56,641 If you don't have 50 to 100 bucks 1259 00:57:56,850 --> 00:57:58,850 coming into your books or your account every month, 1260 00:57:59,018 --> 00:58:00,603 then you're gonna need a hustle. 1261 00:58:03,481 --> 00:58:05,775 This is Philip. He was convicted of robbery. 1262 00:58:05,984 --> 00:58:09,279 As crooked as we are out here, 1263 00:58:09,487 --> 00:58:10,989 we're as crooked inside there, too. 1264 00:58:11,197 --> 00:58:13,867 Whether it's drugs, whether it's alcohol. 1265 00:58:14,075 --> 00:58:15,577 You got people that they don't drink, 1266 00:58:15,785 --> 00:58:18,163 but they manufacture prune-o all day. 1267 00:58:18,371 --> 00:58:19,873 In San Quentin 1268 00:58:20,081 --> 00:58:21,749 in the boiler room, they found a still. 1269 00:58:21,958 --> 00:58:23,793 Friends that I knew had actually gotten so far 1270 00:58:24,002 --> 00:58:25,920 as to, like, get the copper tubing 1271 00:58:26,129 --> 00:58:28,923 from industries over, and so we had copper tubing. 1272 00:58:29,132 --> 00:58:31,759 They were making moonshine in San Quentin. 1273 00:58:31,968 --> 00:58:33,303 Mainly they drank it. 1274 00:58:33,511 --> 00:58:35,930 Did I have a hustle? Sold drugs. 1275 00:58:36,139 --> 00:58:38,099 Through our visits through a correctional officer. 1276 00:58:38,308 --> 00:58:41,311 Prison is like a networking college for criminals. 1277 00:58:41,519 --> 00:58:43,563 The majority of the guys in prison are there 1278 00:58:43,771 --> 00:58:45,607 trying to learn how to do crime better. 1279 00:58:45,815 --> 00:58:48,026 This is just kind of a school 1280 00:58:48,234 --> 00:58:50,945 for criminals to learn more to be criminals. 1281 00:58:51,154 --> 00:58:52,739 And that's not an exaggeration. 1282 00:58:52,947 --> 00:58:55,617 A 2011 study from Ohio University 1283 00:58:55,825 --> 00:58:59,120 showed that after spending time in prison, 1284 00:58:59,329 --> 00:59:01,956 those continuing to engage in crime 1285 00:59:02,165 --> 00:59:04,667 see their criminal earnings increase 1286 00:59:04,876 --> 00:59:08,713 on an average by $11,000 a year. 1287 00:59:08,922 --> 00:59:11,424 Jody Lewen is the executive director 1288 00:59:11,633 --> 00:59:13,426 of the Prison University Project. 1289 00:59:13,635 --> 00:59:15,929 There are thousands and thousands of people 1290 00:59:16,137 --> 00:59:17,472 in the system. 1291 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,349 All they want is the opportunity 1292 00:59:19,557 --> 00:59:21,935 to get a good education and to be hired by somebody 1293 00:59:22,143 --> 00:59:25,104 where they can have a job where they have meaningful work 1294 00:59:25,313 --> 00:59:26,481 and a livable wage. 1295 00:59:26,689 --> 00:59:28,566 In the late '80s, early '90s. 1296 00:59:28,775 --> 00:59:32,529 There were probably 350 programs in the prison system nationwide. 1297 00:59:32,737 --> 00:59:34,364 I took my dad's advice, he'd been saying 1298 00:59:34,572 --> 00:59:36,175 for a long time, "Look for some computer training. 1299 00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:37,635 Is there any computer training in there?" 1300 00:59:37,659 --> 00:59:39,035 Because he knows, you know? 1301 00:59:39,244 --> 00:59:40,787 Finally, when I get to San Quentin, 1302 00:59:40,995 --> 00:59:42,715 I said, "Do you have any computer training?" 1303 00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:45,875 It was great because I mean, 1304 00:59:46,084 --> 00:59:48,211 those who know the least obey the best, you know? 1305 00:59:48,419 --> 00:59:50,713 And there's this rebellious kind of a spirit in there. 1306 00:59:50,922 --> 00:59:53,675 They have you under their thumb up and to the point 1307 00:59:53,883 --> 00:59:56,678 of being able to put a bullet in your head if they wanted to. 1308 00:59:56,886 --> 00:59:59,097 Stand still and be quiet. Face that wall right now. 1309 00:59:59,305 --> 01:00:01,975 So there's this rebelliousness. I could exercise my brain. 1310 01:00:02,183 --> 01:00:03,851 They can't stop me from doing that. 1311 01:00:04,060 --> 01:00:06,437 And so we really got this pride about our education, 1312 01:00:06,646 --> 01:00:08,499 particularly in that computer programming class, 1313 01:00:08,523 --> 01:00:11,526 and it was an honor to be able to fight the system, 1314 01:00:11,734 --> 01:00:16,781 as you might say, by educating each other. 1315 01:00:16,990 --> 01:00:20,201 And then seeing me graduate that eight years later, 1316 01:00:20,410 --> 01:00:21,744 my dad was really proud of me. 1317 01:00:21,953 --> 01:00:23,746 And our relationship just blossomed, 1318 01:00:23,955 --> 01:00:27,375 just became so deep and so meaningful. 1319 01:00:27,584 --> 01:00:30,253 My dad was everything to me. 1320 01:00:30,461 --> 01:00:33,172 And it was just about two weeks after I graduated 1321 01:00:33,381 --> 01:00:34,924 that he died. 1322 01:00:43,224 --> 01:00:44,559 Sorry. 1323 01:00:44,767 --> 01:00:48,062 ? Oh, let us stay 1324 01:00:48,271 --> 01:00:50,690 ? Stay true 1325 01:00:50,898 --> 01:00:54,110 ? May we love and listen 1326 01:00:54,319 --> 01:00:57,238 ? And hear our hearts sing 1327 01:00:57,447 --> 01:01:00,158 ? And keep on giving 1328 01:01:00,366 --> 01:01:05,121 ? And may we stay true, let us stay... 1329 01:01:05,330 --> 01:01:09,000 When I sign this crime bill, we together 1330 01:01:09,208 --> 01:01:13,129 are taking a big step toward bringing the laws of our land 1331 01:01:13,338 --> 01:01:16,132 back into line with the values of our people. 1332 01:01:16,341 --> 01:01:19,469 In 1994, Congress passed the Violent Crime Control 1333 01:01:19,677 --> 01:01:22,388 and Law Enforcement Act, which, among many other things, 1334 01:01:22,597 --> 01:01:24,849 barred people in prison from receiving Pell grants. 1335 01:01:25,058 --> 01:01:27,518 Most of those programs folded almost overnight. 1336 01:01:27,727 --> 01:01:29,812 To be realistic, I mean, unless you're getting 1337 01:01:30,021 --> 01:01:31,481 a college education in here, 1338 01:01:31,689 --> 01:01:33,524 it's probably not gonna help you too much. 1339 01:01:33,733 --> 01:01:35,735 But if they have skills such as welding... 1340 01:01:35,943 --> 01:01:38,613 Welding, on this yard is just phenomenal. 1341 01:01:38,821 --> 01:01:40,823 We've seen guys go through the welding program, 1342 01:01:41,032 --> 01:01:44,369 and they're making 30, $40 an hour out there on the streets 1343 01:01:44,577 --> 01:01:47,288 and they're writing letters back to the instructor over here. 1344 01:01:47,497 --> 01:01:49,666 Those are the things that these guys need. 1345 01:01:49,874 --> 01:01:52,377 They need jobs so they won't be robbing, 1346 01:01:52,585 --> 01:01:54,545 stealing, turning to the dope, you know, 1347 01:01:54,754 --> 01:01:56,881 doing the drugs and that type of thing. 1348 01:01:57,090 --> 01:01:59,217 So, that's... That's what I would change. 1349 01:01:59,425 --> 01:02:01,469 Critical reason number one why people 1350 01:02:01,678 --> 01:02:04,305 are ending up in prison is for lack of, really, 1351 01:02:04,514 --> 01:02:06,224 quality educational opportunity. 1352 01:02:06,432 --> 01:02:08,601 Since 1970, in the state of California, 1353 01:02:08,810 --> 01:02:11,562 we've built 22 prisons and one university. 1354 01:02:11,771 --> 01:02:14,232 We literally have more faith in punishing people 1355 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,360 and controlling them violently than teaching them. 1356 01:02:17,568 --> 01:02:21,239 Let's imagine a parent who raised a child like that. 1357 01:02:21,447 --> 01:02:24,283 What would we say about them? What would we think of them? 1358 01:02:24,492 --> 01:02:27,745 We'd think of them as the most unfit parent imaginable. 1359 01:02:27,954 --> 01:02:30,081 Ironically, we might even call the police. 1360 01:02:33,251 --> 01:02:34,627 By not having an education, 1361 01:02:34,836 --> 01:02:36,587 by not having programs, 1362 01:02:36,796 --> 01:02:39,132 by not having positive things for the guys to do. 1363 01:02:39,340 --> 01:02:41,759 It's really about terror and intimidation 1364 01:02:41,968 --> 01:02:44,178 and people basically fighting for survival 1365 01:02:44,387 --> 01:02:46,067 and often committing extraordinary violence 1366 01:02:46,264 --> 01:02:48,516 in order to protect themselves or to stay safe. 1367 01:02:48,725 --> 01:02:51,018 It's kind of like the weak dog in the pack. 1368 01:02:51,227 --> 01:02:54,230 If others spot weakness, they're gonna pounce on you 1369 01:02:54,439 --> 01:02:56,065 for a couple of reasons. 1370 01:02:56,274 --> 01:02:57,608 You pounce on that guy, 1371 01:02:57,817 --> 01:02:59,527 that gives you a little more status. 1372 01:02:59,736 --> 01:03:02,989 So, I had to ask myself, are you gonna be a victim? 1373 01:03:03,197 --> 01:03:05,116 No, I ain't gonna be a victim. 1374 01:03:05,324 --> 01:03:08,244 Well, that really only left me one choice in my mind. 1375 01:03:08,453 --> 01:03:10,496 That means I gotta be the victimizer. 1376 01:03:19,797 --> 01:03:24,385 At some point, for some reason, might be legitimate, 1377 01:03:24,594 --> 01:03:26,429 might not be, someone's gonna test you. 1378 01:03:32,310 --> 01:03:35,062 Even if you lose, you're gonna have to stand up for yourself. 1379 01:03:40,359 --> 01:03:41,944 A guy comes over, and it's your day 1380 01:03:42,153 --> 01:03:43,821 to get your package, and he tries to take 1381 01:03:44,030 --> 01:03:46,574 your package from you that your people sent you, 1382 01:03:46,783 --> 01:03:48,451 if you let him do it, there's gonna be 1383 01:03:48,659 --> 01:03:51,287 10 other dudes, "Oh, yeah, he let that guy 1384 01:03:51,496 --> 01:03:53,176 take his package, I'm gonna go get his TV," 1385 01:03:53,372 --> 01:03:56,125 right down the line until somebody's after your ass. 1386 01:03:56,334 --> 01:03:57,752 And that's not good. 1387 01:04:00,755 --> 01:04:02,632 But if you stand up that first time 1388 01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,480 and they see you'll stand up for yourself, 1389 01:04:04,675 --> 01:04:07,011 even if you lose, people will respect that. 1390 01:04:11,057 --> 01:04:12,785 "Oh, don't mess with him. There's easier prey." 1391 01:04:12,809 --> 01:04:14,519 "Yeah, but I can get him." Doesn't matter. 1392 01:04:14,727 --> 01:04:16,229 Don't mess with him. 1393 01:04:16,437 --> 01:04:18,064 Why do you have to go and get that guy 1394 01:04:18,272 --> 01:04:20,152 and get a couple lumps for it when he can go get 1395 01:04:20,233 --> 01:04:24,654 that guy's stuff over there, don't cost you nothing. 1396 01:04:24,862 --> 01:04:26,739 It usually only has to happen once or twice 1397 01:04:26,948 --> 01:04:29,116 but just as importantly 1398 01:04:29,325 --> 01:04:32,662 that you didn't go to the man for help... 1399 01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:34,288 you're gonna be all right. 1400 01:04:34,497 --> 01:04:36,249 Now if you're suddenly thinking, 1401 01:04:36,457 --> 01:04:39,335 this isn't so bad, a black eye, a few scratches, 1402 01:04:39,544 --> 01:04:41,337 and you're in the clear, think again. 1403 01:04:41,546 --> 01:04:43,089 The American public in general has been 1404 01:04:43,297 --> 01:04:46,592 so profoundly brainwashed into thinking 1405 01:04:46,801 --> 01:04:49,387 that what we're doing with our prison system 1406 01:04:49,595 --> 01:04:51,681 is somehow normal 1407 01:04:51,889 --> 01:04:56,853 or rational or... just, 1408 01:04:57,061 --> 01:04:59,397 I find that overwhelming and exhausting just... 1409 01:04:59,605 --> 01:05:02,441 Because the more you spend time in... 1410 01:05:02,650 --> 01:05:04,530 Inside and the more contact you have with people 1411 01:05:04,694 --> 01:05:06,195 who've been directly affected, 1412 01:05:06,404 --> 01:05:09,073 the more depraved the system appears. 1413 01:05:09,282 --> 01:05:13,411 Over 20%, one out of every five inmates, 1414 01:05:13,619 --> 01:05:16,163 are physically attacked every six months. 1415 01:05:16,372 --> 01:05:17,832 I wasn't in San Quentin a week, 1416 01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,167 and I watched a man die right next to me. 1417 01:05:20,376 --> 01:05:23,796 I watched two guys just walk up and just stab him to death. 1418 01:05:24,005 --> 01:05:28,217 Part of me wanted to scream in fear. 1419 01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:31,387 But I had a bigger fear of, man, 1420 01:05:31,596 --> 01:05:33,139 what would these guys think about me? 1421 01:05:33,347 --> 01:05:35,600 So I pretended like, man, this ain't nothing. 1422 01:05:35,808 --> 01:05:37,476 I wanted these people's acceptance. 1423 01:05:37,685 --> 01:05:39,329 They tell me, "You know how to make a knife? 1424 01:05:39,353 --> 01:05:41,939 Stab that guy there." And I did. 1425 01:05:42,148 --> 01:05:44,650 So instead of getting a traditional education 1426 01:05:44,859 --> 01:05:46,903 or job training, prison's a great place 1427 01:05:47,111 --> 01:05:49,822 to learn how to make a knife by dropping a razor blade 1428 01:05:50,031 --> 01:05:51,741 onto the melted end of the toothbrush. 1429 01:05:51,949 --> 01:05:54,285 What happens when you have vast numbers 1430 01:05:54,493 --> 01:05:56,120 of people in a system like that 1431 01:05:56,329 --> 01:05:59,540 or in a location like that who have medical needs, 1432 01:05:59,749 --> 01:06:01,959 mental health needs, educational needs, 1433 01:06:02,168 --> 01:06:05,296 substance abuse, all of these things. 1434 01:06:05,504 --> 01:06:07,715 And there's nobody who really knows how to handle that, 1435 01:06:07,924 --> 01:06:10,009 so violence itself is often a failure 1436 01:06:10,217 --> 01:06:13,054 of communication or alternatives for coping. 1437 01:06:13,262 --> 01:06:15,431 There are all sorts of comple x social pressures 1438 01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,267 on people to be violent in prison. 1439 01:06:18,476 --> 01:06:20,478 So a lot of the violence you see in prison is not 1440 01:06:20,686 --> 01:06:22,664 an expression of the character of the people in prison, 1441 01:06:22,688 --> 01:06:24,398 it's people reacting to the situation. 1442 01:06:24,607 --> 01:06:26,447 And this is something so few people understand. 1443 01:06:26,651 --> 01:06:29,737 If you took 1,000 people off the street and put them 1444 01:06:29,946 --> 01:06:32,573 at Corcoran or Pelican Bay or Soledad... 1445 01:06:35,034 --> 01:06:38,871 some huge number of them would end up committing violence 1446 01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,958 because of the situation that they've been placed in. 1447 01:06:42,166 --> 01:06:45,294 Five years into his sentence, an older inmate 1448 01:06:45,503 --> 01:06:48,881 whose nickname was The Devil, wanted Reggie to take the blame 1449 01:06:49,090 --> 01:06:50,967 for a knife the guards had found in the yard. 1450 01:06:51,175 --> 01:06:52,760 But Reggie refused. 1451 01:06:52,969 --> 01:06:54,489 The Devil attacked Reggie with a knife, 1452 01:06:54,595 --> 01:06:56,055 slashing his neck. 1453 01:06:56,263 --> 01:06:57,807 Reggie later would say he knew then 1454 01:06:58,015 --> 01:06:59,475 either The Devil was gonna kill him 1455 01:06:59,684 --> 01:07:01,394 or he had to kill The Devil. 1456 01:07:01,602 --> 01:07:04,230 About 15 minutes after Reggie was attacked, 1457 01:07:04,438 --> 01:07:06,399 he jumped over a correctional officer 1458 01:07:06,607 --> 01:07:09,527 and stabbed The Devil with a prison shank. 1459 01:07:09,735 --> 01:07:13,030 I sit back every day, and I second-guess myself. 1460 01:07:13,239 --> 01:07:15,908 Could I have went about the situation any other way? 1461 01:07:16,117 --> 01:07:18,202 And no matter how many times I tell myself, 1462 01:07:18,411 --> 01:07:20,496 this was the only thing that could have happened, 1463 01:07:20,705 --> 01:07:22,498 it don't sit right with me in my cell 1464 01:07:22,707 --> 01:07:24,601 because I should have never been there in the first place. 1465 01:07:24,625 --> 01:07:26,252 I'm innocent, man, and you turned me 1466 01:07:26,460 --> 01:07:28,212 into what y'all say I was. 1467 01:07:28,421 --> 01:07:30,089 Y'all been lying on me this whole time, 1468 01:07:30,297 --> 01:07:32,550 and you turned me into a murderer because I had to. 1469 01:07:32,758 --> 01:07:35,011 After that, they put Reggie 1470 01:07:35,219 --> 01:07:36,721 in solitary confinement, 1471 01:07:36,929 --> 01:07:38,889 and he went from a life sentence 1472 01:07:39,098 --> 01:07:43,060 without possibility of parole to facing the death penalty. 1473 01:07:43,269 --> 01:07:47,314 So he gets put on trial in the death penalty case, 1474 01:07:47,523 --> 01:07:50,484 and his lawyer starts looking into his original case 1475 01:07:50,693 --> 01:07:52,278 and gives me a call and says, 1476 01:07:52,486 --> 01:07:54,238 "You know, I think this guy's innocent 1477 01:07:54,447 --> 01:07:56,449 of what he went to prison for in the first place." 1478 01:07:56,657 --> 01:07:59,076 And the second reason Reggie got out 1479 01:07:59,285 --> 01:08:00,828 besides the prison stabbing 1480 01:08:01,037 --> 01:08:04,665 was this miracle of there happened to be a book 1481 01:08:04,874 --> 01:08:08,794 that had been put out about the LA homicide division. 1482 01:08:09,003 --> 01:08:11,088 The author of the book had documented a ride along 1483 01:08:11,297 --> 01:08:13,591 with the LAPD detective. 1484 01:08:13,799 --> 01:08:15,551 This homicide investigator's first night 1485 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,428 that she was on the job. 1486 01:08:17,636 --> 01:08:20,056 The very night she investigated the murder, 1487 01:08:20,264 --> 01:08:21,974 she would ultimately arrest Reggie for. 1488 01:08:22,183 --> 01:08:23,994 And we're flipping through the book and reading it, 1489 01:08:24,018 --> 01:08:25,436 and there's all this stuff in it 1490 01:08:25,644 --> 01:08:27,204 that was never disclosed to the defense. 1491 01:08:27,354 --> 01:08:29,356 That's all documented that all indicates 1492 01:08:29,565 --> 01:08:31,442 pretty clearly that Reggie's innocent. 1493 01:08:31,650 --> 01:08:33,986 But it would still take the Innocence Project 10 years 1494 01:08:34,195 --> 01:08:35,863 to get Reggie out of prison. 1495 01:08:36,072 --> 01:08:38,616 A grandmother doing life for murder was released 1496 01:08:38,824 --> 01:08:41,118 from prison yesterday after 17 years 1497 01:08:41,327 --> 01:08:43,704 when a judge said she did not do it. 1498 01:08:43,913 --> 01:08:46,624 Susan Mellon recently filed a lawsuit against 1499 01:08:46,832 --> 01:08:49,085 the detective who arrested her for hiding evidence. 1500 01:08:49,293 --> 01:08:53,047 That detective is the same one who arrested Reggie Cole. 1501 01:09:11,524 --> 01:09:13,609 You know, we... You know, as a society, 1502 01:09:13,818 --> 01:09:16,320 we see the bad guy and the good guy. 1503 01:09:16,529 --> 01:09:18,322 Well, that's cops and robbers. 1504 01:09:18,531 --> 01:09:22,952 But when the cop becomes the robber, the game is over. 1505 01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,955 The game is over. That's corruption. 1506 01:09:26,163 --> 01:09:30,251 It was a horrific twist of fate that led to Reggie's release. 1507 01:09:30,459 --> 01:09:32,795 Bruce was more fortunate. 1508 01:09:33,003 --> 01:09:35,297 His father's death led to an unexpected turn. 1509 01:09:35,506 --> 01:09:38,676 Providence was his big thing, and he had, 1510 01:09:38,884 --> 01:09:40,469 you know, great life insurance. 1511 01:09:40,678 --> 01:09:43,180 It was 184,000 that my dad left me, 1512 01:09:43,389 --> 01:09:46,225 and I was able to parlay that up to about 236, 1513 01:09:46,433 --> 01:09:48,519 in the stock market, and then it was just 100% 1514 01:09:48,727 --> 01:09:50,688 of my time dedicated to my case. 1515 01:09:50,896 --> 01:09:53,566 And that enabled Bruce to hire a private investigator. 1516 01:09:53,774 --> 01:09:57,736 We had, essentially, a growing war chest of evidence 1517 01:09:57,945 --> 01:10:00,030 that I hadn't committed the crime or at least 1518 01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:02,616 that all the evidence that was presented was false evidence. 1519 01:10:02,825 --> 01:10:05,870 I had received a complaint from Bruce Lisker. 1520 01:10:06,078 --> 01:10:09,874 I flew up to the state prison where Bruce Lisker was. 1521 01:10:10,082 --> 01:10:11,458 I spoke to him. 1522 01:10:11,667 --> 01:10:13,294 When somebody is accused of murder 1523 01:10:13,502 --> 01:10:15,462 or you're arrested for murder, it's tape-recorded. 1524 01:10:15,588 --> 01:10:18,340 Everything is tape-recorded. I couldn't find his tape. 1525 01:10:18,549 --> 01:10:23,262 It had been taken out of evidence by Detective Monsue, 1526 01:10:23,470 --> 01:10:26,348 and it was never put back into evidence. 1527 01:10:26,557 --> 01:10:29,310 Detective Monsue had said the footprints 1528 01:10:29,518 --> 01:10:32,730 outside the house matched the footprints on the inside. 1529 01:10:32,938 --> 01:10:34,732 Lieutenant Gavin found the footprints 1530 01:10:34,940 --> 01:10:36,901 weren't actually looked at by a scientist 1531 01:10:37,109 --> 01:10:38,736 or any qualified e x pert. 1532 01:10:38,944 --> 01:10:40,424 So he took matters into his own hands. 1533 01:10:40,613 --> 01:10:42,072 So I contacted our people, 1534 01:10:42,281 --> 01:10:44,158 scientific investigative division. 1535 01:10:44,366 --> 01:10:47,077 So he takes out this big magnifying glass, 1536 01:10:47,286 --> 01:10:48,871 looks at it, looks at the other one, 1537 01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:50,519 and he goes, "These two don't match." 1538 01:10:50,706 --> 01:10:52,416 See this is a great embarrassment 1539 01:10:52,625 --> 01:10:54,752 for any large organization that you've convicted 1540 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,963 somebody for murder and then five, 10, 20 years later, 1541 01:10:58,172 --> 01:11:01,342 it turns out that the person's actually innocent. 1542 01:11:01,550 --> 01:11:03,594 And this is what my lieutenant said... 1543 01:11:03,802 --> 01:11:05,763 "That motherfucker is not getting out of prison. 1544 01:11:05,971 --> 01:11:07,640 Do you understand me, Sergeant Gavin?" 1545 01:11:07,848 --> 01:11:10,976 They will do everything they can to stop you, 1546 01:11:11,185 --> 01:11:13,622 prevent you from coming forward with the information you have. 1547 01:11:13,646 --> 01:11:15,898 Upon reviewing the comprehensive work 1548 01:11:16,106 --> 01:11:17,733 of the private investigator, 1549 01:11:17,942 --> 01:11:19,818 the LAPD Internal Affairs Department 1550 01:11:20,027 --> 01:11:21,946 claimed Bruce's complaints were unfounded 1551 01:11:22,154 --> 01:11:24,156 and that no misconduct had occurred. 1552 01:11:24,365 --> 01:11:26,075 You can't have an internal investigation 1553 01:11:26,283 --> 01:11:28,786 where we all investigate ourselves. 1554 01:11:28,994 --> 01:11:30,871 Tha... that's like a joke. 1555 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,200 I'm not against the authorities or anything like that. 1556 01:11:33,290 --> 01:11:37,169 I'm just against the system that has no checks and balances. 1557 01:11:37,378 --> 01:11:39,046 Who the fuck his checking y'all? 1558 01:11:39,255 --> 01:11:40,881 I believe that internal affairs 1559 01:11:41,090 --> 01:11:42,776 should be separate from the police department. 1560 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,426 There is no way that a Police Department 1561 01:11:44,635 --> 01:11:46,303 can investigate themselves. 1562 01:11:46,512 --> 01:11:48,764 Currently, there are no independent organizations 1563 01:11:48,973 --> 01:11:52,309 whose job it is to investigate police misconduct. 1564 01:11:52,518 --> 01:11:55,980 And there's no oversight of prosecutors, either. 1565 01:11:58,274 --> 01:12:00,359 Prosecutorial misconduct is a major factor 1566 01:12:00,567 --> 01:12:02,027 of wrongful convictions. 1567 01:12:02,236 --> 01:12:03,904 It's a single thread that runs through 1568 01:12:04,113 --> 01:12:06,865 almost all of the wrongful-conviction cases. 1569 01:12:07,074 --> 01:12:09,994 Jeff Deskovic has a Master's in criminal justice, 1570 01:12:10,202 --> 01:12:12,204 specializing in wrongful convictions. 1571 01:12:12,413 --> 01:12:15,207 He's also a survivor of prosecutorial misconduct. 1572 01:12:15,416 --> 01:12:17,126 I spent 16 years in prison. 1573 01:12:17,334 --> 01:12:20,337 I was wrongfully convicted at 17. 1574 01:12:20,546 --> 01:12:22,881 I emerged at 32. 1575 01:12:23,090 --> 01:12:26,135 Jeff eventually won a lawsuit against Putnam County, 1576 01:12:26,343 --> 01:12:28,137 New York, for his conviction, 1577 01:12:28,345 --> 01:12:30,073 which enabled him to start his own foundation. 1578 01:12:30,097 --> 01:12:32,349 And I'm the founder and executive director 1579 01:12:32,558 --> 01:12:34,476 of the Jeffrey Deskovic Foundation for Justice. 1580 01:12:34,685 --> 01:12:36,405 There's no deterrence. There's no oversight. 1581 01:12:36,603 --> 01:12:38,397 There's no punishment for prosecutors. 1582 01:12:38,605 --> 01:12:40,149 So they can break the law. 1583 01:12:40,357 --> 01:12:42,318 They don't face criminal penalties, 1584 01:12:42,526 --> 01:12:44,862 even when they engage in withholding 1585 01:12:45,070 --> 01:12:47,114 evidence of innocence, threatening witnesses, 1586 01:12:47,323 --> 01:12:48,824 coercing witnesses. 1587 01:12:49,033 --> 01:12:50,784 No matter how serious the misconduct is, 1588 01:12:50,993 --> 01:12:54,663 if the prosecutor commits that after an arrest has been made, 1589 01:12:54,872 --> 01:12:56,874 they have what's called prosecutorial immunity. 1590 01:12:57,082 --> 01:12:58,542 They're above the law. 1591 01:12:58,751 --> 01:13:00,377 We need prosecutors 1592 01:13:00,586 --> 01:13:03,589 to really uphold what's become just words, 1593 01:13:03,797 --> 01:13:05,966 which is, you know, they're there to do justice. 1594 01:13:06,175 --> 01:13:08,135 They're there to do the right thing. 1595 01:13:08,344 --> 01:13:10,763 It becomes more like "we're there to win," 1596 01:13:10,971 --> 01:13:12,556 especially when prosecutor's offices 1597 01:13:12,765 --> 01:13:16,268 actually keep statistics on conviction rates. 1598 01:13:16,477 --> 01:13:19,521 Well, you should be credited that you looked at a case 1599 01:13:19,730 --> 01:13:22,941 where the police thought they had a good case 1600 01:13:23,150 --> 01:13:24,836 but a good prosecutor looked at it and said, 1601 01:13:24,860 --> 01:13:26,588 "You know what? There's some mistakes made here. 1602 01:13:26,612 --> 01:13:28,530 We should drop the charges in this case." 1603 01:13:28,739 --> 01:13:30,908 We should incentivize that. 1604 01:13:31,116 --> 01:13:33,494 But instead, we actually incentivize the opposite, 1605 01:13:33,702 --> 01:13:36,455 of getting convictions and getting conviction rates. 1606 01:13:36,663 --> 01:13:39,208 All of a sudden, justice gets lost in that process. 1607 01:13:39,416 --> 01:13:41,656 And whether this guy committed the crime or not gets lost 1608 01:13:41,710 --> 01:13:44,254 in that process 'cause it's all about winning my case. 1609 01:13:44,463 --> 01:13:46,256 Immunity, that's bullshit. 1610 01:13:46,465 --> 01:13:48,735 I mean, in the real world, you know, you're supposed to be 1611 01:13:48,759 --> 01:13:50,803 held accountable for your wrongdoings. 1612 01:13:51,011 --> 01:13:54,098 So, therefore, if you're a person of authority... 1613 01:13:54,306 --> 01:13:56,517 Of authority, that you have to be held 1614 01:13:56,725 --> 01:13:58,394 at a higher standard than just a layman. 1615 01:13:58,602 --> 01:14:00,437 I think we actually need to step back 1616 01:14:00,646 --> 01:14:02,731 and kind of rethink the whole system 1617 01:14:02,940 --> 01:14:04,525 in the way we're approaching it 1618 01:14:04,733 --> 01:14:06,902 because it's become this game, 1619 01:14:07,111 --> 01:14:09,738 and people's lives are lost as a result of it. 1620 01:14:14,701 --> 01:14:17,496 If you ever do find yourself wrongfully convicted, 1621 01:14:17,704 --> 01:14:19,665 odds are, you're never getting out. 1622 01:14:19,873 --> 01:14:23,460 The first thing you need to do is send preservation letters 1623 01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:26,755 to the Police Department labs and the courts 1624 01:14:26,964 --> 01:14:29,883 requesting that you want all your evidence saved. 1625 01:14:30,092 --> 01:14:33,470 Otherwise, they may destroy it within 30 days. 1626 01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:37,182 Try to find an Innocence Project that'll take your case. 1627 01:14:37,391 --> 01:14:40,310 Prepare for this process to take years. 1628 01:14:40,519 --> 01:14:42,688 Then pray for a miracle. 1629 01:14:42,896 --> 01:14:46,525 The Innocence Project estimates conservatively 1630 01:14:46,733 --> 01:14:51,071 there could easily be 40,000 to over 100,000 Americans 1631 01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,866 currently wrongfully convicted, 1632 01:14:54,074 --> 01:14:56,827 the majority of which are people of color. 1633 01:14:59,288 --> 01:15:03,083 It's kind of hard for me to relate to my family 1634 01:15:03,292 --> 01:15:05,043 because they don't see me as the same. 1635 01:15:05,252 --> 01:15:07,629 It's like Adam and Eve when he told them, 1636 01:15:07,838 --> 01:15:09,631 "Don't go and don't eat this fruit," 1637 01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,800 and they ate it, and they were enlightened. 1638 01:15:12,009 --> 01:15:14,344 I'm enlightened. I'm on the other side now. 1639 01:15:14,553 --> 01:15:16,638 I'm not the same as y'all no more. 1640 01:15:16,847 --> 01:15:19,349 You know, I don't... I can't speak 1641 01:15:19,558 --> 01:15:22,394 in a boisterous tone because everyone gets scared. 1642 01:15:22,603 --> 01:15:24,938 But I'm not that dude. I'm not him. 1643 01:15:35,073 --> 01:15:38,660 And I'm innocent, man. I'm innocent. 1644 01:15:38,869 --> 01:15:40,537 You know, I gotta fight my demons. 1645 01:15:40,746 --> 01:15:42,998 I gotta do what I gotta do for me, you know? 1646 01:15:43,207 --> 01:15:44,958 I got a child, you know? 1647 01:15:45,167 --> 01:15:47,002 I'm trying to get myself right so I can, 1648 01:15:47,211 --> 01:15:48,670 you know, teach her right. 1649 01:15:48,879 --> 01:15:50,422 But I mean, there's no accountability. 1650 01:15:50,631 --> 01:15:52,424 These people that did this to me, 1651 01:15:52,633 --> 01:15:54,801 these people that took everything, man, 1652 01:15:55,010 --> 01:15:56,512 they took everything. 1653 01:16:05,229 --> 01:16:06,897 Bruce's private investigator 1654 01:16:07,105 --> 01:16:08,565 never gave up on his case. 1655 01:16:08,774 --> 01:16:11,735 He had a very vigorous private investigator 1656 01:16:11,944 --> 01:16:13,779 who made a complaint to the LAPD, 1657 01:16:13,987 --> 01:16:17,115 and it landed on the desk of an Internal Affairs investigator 1658 01:16:17,324 --> 01:16:22,913 who looked at Bruce's claims in a very serious-minded fashion. 1659 01:16:29,044 --> 01:16:31,588 It's the people like Detective Monsue 1660 01:16:31,797 --> 01:16:34,216 and the others out there that have made our job 1661 01:16:34,424 --> 01:16:36,301 very difficult to do day after day 1662 01:16:36,510 --> 01:16:39,221 because we lose the confidence of the public, 1663 01:16:39,429 --> 01:16:41,265 and we lose the confidence of the courts. 1664 01:16:41,473 --> 01:16:44,101 We have to have police chiefs, directors of public service 1665 01:16:44,309 --> 01:16:46,228 that are willing to do the right thing 1666 01:16:46,436 --> 01:16:49,690 and terminate employees who are doing the wrong thing. 1667 01:16:49,898 --> 01:16:51,650 If you want to say you're the good guy 1668 01:16:51,858 --> 01:16:54,236 but you're ostracized by everybody that you believed in, 1669 01:16:54,444 --> 01:16:57,823 it's a very difficult situation because I have to continue 1670 01:16:58,031 --> 01:17:00,659 to work for the same department that did this to Bruce Lisker. 1671 01:17:00,867 --> 01:17:02,661 I don't look at myself as a hero. 1672 01:17:02,869 --> 01:17:07,749 I look at myself as a survivor because the system attacked me. 1673 01:17:07,958 --> 01:17:10,377 The system went after me, and the system did 1674 01:17:10,586 --> 01:17:13,422 everything they could to keep Bruce Lisker in jail 1675 01:17:13,630 --> 01:17:15,716 and everything to keep me quiet. 1676 01:17:15,924 --> 01:17:17,926 It's been a lot of therapy. 1677 01:17:18,135 --> 01:17:21,722 My wife and I met in third grade. 1678 01:17:21,930 --> 01:17:24,182 We were elementary, junior-high, high-school sweethearts. 1679 01:17:24,391 --> 01:17:26,059 We lived on the same street, 1680 01:17:26,268 --> 01:17:29,646 and it's been a very difficult, difficult road. 1681 01:17:29,855 --> 01:17:31,857 She is third-generation LAPD. 1682 01:17:32,065 --> 01:17:35,819 And the survival is day by day 1683 01:17:36,028 --> 01:17:37,821 and always looking over your shoulder 1684 01:17:38,030 --> 01:17:39,750 whether you're doing the right thing or not. 1685 01:17:39,948 --> 01:17:41,742 You're constantly looking over your shoulder. 1686 01:17:41,950 --> 01:17:44,745 And every time I get called into the captain's office, 1687 01:17:44,953 --> 01:17:47,497 I wonder, "What did I do now?" 1688 01:17:47,706 --> 01:17:49,583 And I've never had that feeling before. 1689 01:17:49,791 --> 01:17:52,544 I just kept on telling myself, they are not going to defeat me. 1690 01:17:52,753 --> 01:17:54,379 They're not going to defeat me. 1691 01:17:54,588 --> 01:17:57,758 It's just when you come across something like this, 1692 01:17:57,966 --> 01:17:59,343 what are you gonna do? 1693 01:17:59,551 --> 01:18:01,261 And that's the difficult thing. 1694 01:18:01,470 --> 01:18:04,389 If I had not given up the information that I did 1695 01:18:04,598 --> 01:18:08,393 to the LA Times, Bruce Lisker would still be in prison. 1696 01:18:08,602 --> 01:18:12,481 A bloody footprint that was attributed to Bruce 1697 01:18:12,689 --> 01:18:15,901 at his trial had recently been reanalyzed 1698 01:18:16,109 --> 01:18:18,862 and shown to have not been made from Bruce's shoe. 1699 01:18:19,071 --> 01:18:20,656 So that got us interested in the case, 1700 01:18:20,864 --> 01:18:23,158 and we started talking to his private investigator 1701 01:18:23,367 --> 01:18:25,827 and began the seven-month investigation. 1702 01:18:26,036 --> 01:18:28,747 And at the conclusion of that, they filed an article 1703 01:18:28,955 --> 01:18:31,291 called A Case of Doubt that eventually 1704 01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:33,710 won them an award, won The Times an award. 1705 01:18:33,919 --> 01:18:36,129 I wound up sitting between 2005, 1706 01:18:36,338 --> 01:18:39,091 when the first article came out, and 2009 in prison, 1707 01:18:39,299 --> 01:18:42,010 four solid years... 1708 01:18:42,219 --> 01:18:44,805 a widely recognized innocent man. 1709 01:18:45,013 --> 01:18:49,726 We knew back in 2003, 2004, that we had probably a person 1710 01:18:49,935 --> 01:18:52,020 that was in prison for a crime he did not commit. 1711 01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:53,772 And it took five years for the courts 1712 01:18:53,980 --> 01:18:56,191 to work through the... The entire system. 1713 01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,027 There were a lot of delays because of the conduct 1714 01:18:59,236 --> 01:19:01,363 of my own police department and the conduct 1715 01:19:01,571 --> 01:19:05,158 of the California Attorney General. 1716 01:19:05,367 --> 01:19:07,869 Reggie Cole spent 16 years in prison 1717 01:19:08,078 --> 01:19:09,996 for a crime he didn't commit. 1718 01:19:10,205 --> 01:19:13,041 10 of those years were spent in solitary confinement, 1719 01:19:13,250 --> 01:19:16,169 and he had to kill another man to get a trial. 1720 01:19:16,378 --> 01:19:18,630 The whole way I've been telling them, I'm innocent. 1721 01:19:18,839 --> 01:19:20,424 Every article I'm in, everything... 1722 01:19:20,632 --> 01:19:22,312 Everybody I'm talking to, I'm telling them, 1723 01:19:22,467 --> 01:19:25,345 "I'm innocent, man, I didn't do anything to anyone." 1724 01:19:25,554 --> 01:19:27,764 They don't care. They don't care. 1725 01:19:27,973 --> 01:19:30,726 It's not that they didn't know. They didn't care. 1726 01:19:30,934 --> 01:19:33,270 It's a miracle Reggie got out at all. 1727 01:19:39,067 --> 01:19:41,695 Tim's is a miracle story as well. 1728 01:19:41,903 --> 01:19:46,408 In late 2012, after 26 years, he made parole. 1729 01:19:46,616 --> 01:19:48,785 I signed some papers for the parole officer, 1730 01:19:48,994 --> 01:19:51,121 he said, "Okay, see you later. 1731 01:19:54,499 --> 01:19:56,334 Didn't ask me how I was getting home, 1732 01:19:56,543 --> 01:19:58,712 didn't ask me if I had a home. 1733 01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:03,633 When I realized these people honestly don't give a fuck. 1734 01:20:09,556 --> 01:20:10,891 To survive getting out, 1735 01:20:11,099 --> 01:20:13,101 it's a lot harder than it sounds. 1736 01:20:13,310 --> 01:20:15,645 You may have developed post-traumatic stress disorder, 1737 01:20:15,854 --> 01:20:20,192 agoraphobia, paranoia and require immediate treatment. 1738 01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,320 You're gonna need food, new clothes. 1739 01:20:23,528 --> 01:20:25,947 You're going to need money for transportation 1740 01:20:26,156 --> 01:20:28,825 to and from your parole-officer meeting. 1741 01:20:29,034 --> 01:20:30,702 If you miss a meeting, 1742 01:20:30,911 --> 01:20:33,663 you could find yourself back in jail. 1743 01:20:33,872 --> 01:20:35,499 You're going to need a job, 1744 01:20:35,707 --> 01:20:37,467 but there's a lot of discrimination out there 1745 01:20:37,542 --> 01:20:39,169 for employment and housing. 1746 01:20:39,377 --> 01:20:43,089 Speaking of which, you're gonna need a home. 1747 01:20:43,298 --> 01:20:44,925 I wouldn't have a home 1748 01:20:45,133 --> 01:20:47,803 if it wasn't for the Rescue a Life Foundation. 1749 01:20:48,011 --> 01:20:50,722 They set up a house, a transitional housing. 1750 01:20:50,931 --> 01:20:56,061 God and that foundation is what's got me by. 1751 01:20:56,269 --> 01:20:59,189 It's the reason I'm sitting here and not back inside. 1752 01:20:59,397 --> 01:21:02,192 The Rescue a Life Foundation was founded 1753 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,111 by Dwayne McElwee who knows how challenging it can be 1754 01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,113 to re-enter society. 1755 01:21:07,322 --> 01:21:10,242 Dwayne did 25 years himself for murder. 1756 01:21:10,450 --> 01:21:12,494 After school, we would have to go down 1757 01:21:12,702 --> 01:21:15,163 to my mother's dress shop and hang out all day 1758 01:21:15,372 --> 01:21:16,957 and work around the business. 1759 01:21:17,165 --> 01:21:19,459 At that time, we had several organizations 1760 01:21:19,668 --> 01:21:21,336 that would just patrol that area. 1761 01:21:21,545 --> 01:21:23,797 So it was pretty safe. We had the Black Panthers, 1762 01:21:24,005 --> 01:21:26,383 Ron Karenga's whole organization, 1763 01:21:26,591 --> 01:21:27,676 United Slaves. 1764 01:21:27,884 --> 01:21:30,053 We had the Nation of Islam. 1765 01:21:30,262 --> 01:21:32,305 It was pretty cool, you didn't have to worry 1766 01:21:32,514 --> 01:21:34,808 about people coming in, holding you up and everything. 1767 01:21:35,016 --> 01:21:36,852 Didn't have to worry about that type of stuff. 1768 01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:41,815 But it was after the COINTELPRO when they got pushed underground 1769 01:21:42,023 --> 01:21:44,609 that everything just seemed like, you know, went crazy. 1770 01:21:44,818 --> 01:21:46,498 All the thugs came out, and then, you know, 1771 01:21:46,611 --> 01:21:49,114 you were fair game then, the store operators. 1772 01:21:49,322 --> 01:21:51,242 That's when we started having a lot of robberies, 1773 01:21:51,366 --> 01:21:53,118 a lot of burglaries. 1774 01:21:53,326 --> 01:21:56,621 My mother, she's just a little, bitty 5-foot-4 lady. 1775 01:21:56,830 --> 01:21:59,749 She was beat up and robbed one day while I was there. 1776 01:21:59,958 --> 01:22:02,210 And he grabbed her, threw her to the ground 1777 01:22:02,419 --> 01:22:04,419 and kicked her and beat her after he got the money. 1778 01:22:04,462 --> 01:22:06,382 Then he figured it wasn't enough money, you know? 1779 01:22:06,590 --> 01:22:08,425 And I was a little kid. 1780 01:22:08,633 --> 01:22:11,678 I was probably about 11 years old at the time, you know? 1781 01:22:11,887 --> 01:22:14,047 And he had this gun on him, and she was hollering at me 1782 01:22:14,139 --> 01:22:15,932 not to move and just... you know, 1783 01:22:16,141 --> 01:22:19,144 and this dude is kicking her and demanding more money. 1784 01:22:19,352 --> 01:22:21,479 He got all the money we had, you know? 1785 01:22:21,688 --> 01:22:24,441 Dwayne's mother wasn't robbed once. 1786 01:22:24,649 --> 01:22:26,484 She was robbed over and over again. 1787 01:22:26,693 --> 01:22:28,528 I had a good friend. 1788 01:22:28,737 --> 01:22:31,448 He would always be commenting about me being so uptight. 1789 01:22:31,656 --> 01:22:34,743 And he smoked weed. He said, "Man, just take this. 1790 01:22:34,951 --> 01:22:36,369 You need, this, like, medication." 1791 01:22:36,578 --> 01:22:37,954 That led to other things. You know. 1792 01:22:38,163 --> 01:22:42,250 That led to cocaine, it led to PCP, 1793 01:22:42,459 --> 01:22:45,712 Which ended up leading to my crime 1794 01:22:45,921 --> 01:22:47,964 that happened that sent me to prison, you know. 1795 01:22:48,173 --> 01:22:50,258 I went to prison for a second-degree murder. 1796 01:22:50,467 --> 01:22:52,010 Some dudes robbed me. 1797 01:22:52,218 --> 01:22:53,978 They were supposed to have been the middleman 1798 01:22:54,095 --> 01:22:56,681 going to get the drugs, and they end up robbing me. 1799 01:22:56,890 --> 01:22:59,184 Because it had happened to us in our business, 1800 01:22:59,392 --> 01:23:02,145 the family business so much, this guy, 1801 01:23:02,354 --> 01:23:04,898 he wasn't just someone that was robbing me all the time. 1802 01:23:05,106 --> 01:23:06,691 He was the image of somebody 1803 01:23:06,900 --> 01:23:09,402 that had been victimizing my family. 1804 01:23:09,611 --> 01:23:11,863 And all these other times, you had got away, 1805 01:23:12,072 --> 01:23:13,949 but this time, you weren't going to get away. 1806 01:23:14,157 --> 01:23:16,993 So it was kind of like a revenge thing, 1807 01:23:17,202 --> 01:23:19,412 a retaliation thing for you and your kind. 1808 01:23:19,621 --> 01:23:21,998 You're going to pay for that, and so what I found 1809 01:23:22,207 --> 01:23:26,461 is that what you can't forgive, you end up becoming. 1810 01:23:26,670 --> 01:23:30,507 What you can't forgive, you end up becoming. 1811 01:23:34,135 --> 01:23:36,805 So I had to learn how to forgive and let that go, 1812 01:23:37,013 --> 01:23:38,932 and I had to learn how to forgive him 1813 01:23:39,140 --> 01:23:42,018 and let that go because he was also after... 1814 01:23:42,227 --> 01:23:46,773 I got to see his record, and this guy had a rap sheet, 1815 01:23:46,982 --> 01:23:48,822 you know, from here... From one side of the room 1816 01:23:48,900 --> 01:23:52,320 to the other, you know, and I could see that, you know, 1817 01:23:52,529 --> 01:23:54,197 he needed the same help that I needed. 1818 01:23:54,406 --> 01:23:56,241 We are generally taught to imagine 1819 01:23:56,449 --> 01:23:59,244 that there is such a thing as, for example, a murderer, right? 1820 01:23:59,452 --> 01:24:01,705 So in other words, a murderer in the public imagination 1821 01:24:01,913 --> 01:24:04,249 and in most of our minds, whether we've thought about it 1822 01:24:04,457 --> 01:24:07,961 or not, initially, is someone who likes to murder 1823 01:24:08,169 --> 01:24:10,129 and who would murder given the opportunity, right? 1824 01:24:10,296 --> 01:24:12,191 It's like a vocation, right? That's what murderers do. 1825 01:24:12,215 --> 01:24:13,925 They go around murdering, right? 1826 01:24:14,134 --> 01:24:15,974 And that's why you don't let them out of prison 1827 01:24:16,094 --> 01:24:18,364 You let them out of prison, they're going to murder again. 1828 01:24:18,388 --> 01:24:21,808 The reality is that murder is almost always a context. 1829 01:24:22,017 --> 01:24:23,268 It's a situation. 1830 01:24:23,476 --> 01:24:25,103 It is, statistically speaking, 1831 01:24:25,311 --> 01:24:28,064 very rarely driven by a compulsion 1832 01:24:28,273 --> 01:24:30,608 or a desire to do harm, right? 1833 01:24:30,817 --> 01:24:33,111 It's a reaction to some set of circumstances, 1834 01:24:33,319 --> 01:24:38,116 to a real or perceived threat, to some extreme emotional state. 1835 01:24:38,324 --> 01:24:40,118 It's not a propensity. 1836 01:24:40,326 --> 01:24:43,496 Basically, we're confusing the profile of a psychopath, 1837 01:24:43,705 --> 01:24:46,207 the psychopath we've read about, you know, the serial killer, 1838 01:24:46,416 --> 01:24:47,959 with prisoners in general, right? 1839 01:24:48,168 --> 01:24:51,671 If we as a society stop and imagine 1840 01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,091 that the people in prison are fully human, 1841 01:24:55,300 --> 01:24:58,011 incredibly diverse, have often been through 1842 01:24:58,219 --> 01:25:02,432 some of the most e x treme and difficult situations 1843 01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,559 and conditions, some of which many of us 1844 01:25:04,768 --> 01:25:08,271 couldn't even really begin to imagine, then suddenly, 1845 01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:11,566 all of that judgment and all that hostility 1846 01:25:11,775 --> 01:25:14,235 and all that vindictiveness 1847 01:25:14,444 --> 01:25:16,780 doesn't have such a natural place anymore. 1848 01:25:16,988 --> 01:25:19,157 Many of our students have committed murder 1849 01:25:19,365 --> 01:25:21,826 and felt horrible about their crime 1850 01:25:22,035 --> 01:25:23,661 as soon as it happened. 1851 01:25:23,870 --> 01:25:25,681 It's not like they needed to sit in prison for 15 1852 01:25:25,705 --> 01:25:27,505 or 20 years to realize they'd done a bad thing 1853 01:25:27,624 --> 01:25:29,167 or to never want to do it again. 1854 01:25:29,375 --> 01:25:33,630 There's no human element... 1855 01:25:33,838 --> 01:25:37,425 to the criminal justice system. 1856 01:25:37,634 --> 01:25:40,470 There's no human element. They're not there to help you. 1857 01:25:40,678 --> 01:25:42,597 They're not there to help society. 1858 01:25:42,806 --> 01:25:45,975 They can say that that's what it's set up for all they want. 1859 01:25:46,184 --> 01:25:48,645 That's not what it's there for, 1860 01:25:48,853 --> 01:25:51,856 not in California and not in a lot of places. 1861 01:25:52,065 --> 01:25:55,026 It's a system set up to punish people, 1862 01:25:55,235 --> 01:25:56,736 and they take a bad situation, 1863 01:25:56,945 --> 01:25:59,197 and they usually make it much worse. 1864 01:26:02,742 --> 01:26:05,787 You know what the official success rate of state prison is? 1865 01:26:05,995 --> 01:26:11,209 Nearly 80% of all inmates go back within five years. 1866 01:26:11,417 --> 01:26:13,920 That's a success rate of 20%. 1867 01:26:14,129 --> 01:26:16,422 Imagine if we had those requirements of airplanes. 1868 01:26:16,631 --> 01:26:19,342 Wow, eight out of 10 airplanes falling out of the sky. 1869 01:26:19,551 --> 01:26:21,010 It's a little bit crazy-making. 1870 01:26:21,219 --> 01:26:22,804 And that is Department of Justice data. 1871 01:26:23,012 --> 01:26:24,806 That's federal government research. 1872 01:26:25,014 --> 01:26:27,642 Dr. Michael Coyle attended Harvard University, 1873 01:26:27,851 --> 01:26:30,145 has a PhD in justice studies 1874 01:26:30,353 --> 01:26:31,896 and is a professor of criminal justice 1875 01:26:32,105 --> 01:26:33,481 at California State University. 1876 01:26:33,690 --> 01:26:35,275 Dr. Coyle says that prison 1877 01:26:35,483 --> 01:26:37,277 not only increases criminal behavior 1878 01:26:37,485 --> 01:26:39,946 but has a deleterious effect on society as a whole. 1879 01:26:40,155 --> 01:26:42,949 What happens to a family when the wage earner is removed 1880 01:26:43,158 --> 01:26:46,286 from society and thrown into prison for 10 years? 1881 01:26:46,494 --> 01:26:48,872 What happens to those children? How are they impacted? 1882 01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:50,832 What are their chances of success in life? 1883 01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:52,333 They start to go down. 1884 01:26:52,542 --> 01:26:54,794 How does that impact the community? 1885 01:26:55,003 --> 01:26:56,629 Loss of resources in that community, 1886 01:26:56,838 --> 01:26:58,518 more demands on the community now to help... 1887 01:26:58,590 --> 01:27:00,091 To help this family, 1888 01:27:00,300 --> 01:27:02,302 maybe the other parent, maybe the children. 1889 01:27:02,510 --> 01:27:05,889 It's just so clearly a failure 1890 01:27:06,097 --> 01:27:08,516 by every measure that you look at it 1891 01:27:08,725 --> 01:27:11,686 that I think we just need to rethink the whole thing 1892 01:27:11,895 --> 01:27:15,815 and not just keep trying to put lipstick on this pig, 1893 01:27:16,024 --> 01:27:17,567 'cause that's what we're doing. 1894 01:27:17,775 --> 01:27:19,535 I think it is difficult for people to imagine 1895 01:27:19,652 --> 01:27:21,029 a world without prisons now. 1896 01:27:21,237 --> 01:27:24,157 We've become so accustomed 1897 01:27:24,365 --> 01:27:26,951 to the idea of prisons that it's hard for people to imagine. 1898 01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,954 Well, what do you do with people if you don't put them in prison 1899 01:27:30,163 --> 01:27:31,706 when they've done wrong? 1900 01:27:31,915 --> 01:27:33,416 There are other alternatives. 1901 01:27:33,625 --> 01:27:36,085 Dostoevsky said the degree of civilization 1902 01:27:36,294 --> 01:27:39,005 in a society could be judged by entering its prisons. 1903 01:27:39,214 --> 01:27:41,758 Hebrews, 13:3, 1904 01:27:41,966 --> 01:27:44,344 remember those who are in chains 1905 01:27:44,552 --> 01:27:47,680 as if you were in chains with them. 1906 01:27:47,889 --> 01:27:50,516 If we don't, we put everybody at risk. 1907 01:27:52,644 --> 01:27:55,730 My husband, Dan, was a police officer, 1908 01:27:55,939 --> 01:27:58,316 and he was killed in the line of duty. 1909 01:27:58,524 --> 01:28:02,237 My goal at the trial was to get the man 1910 01:28:02,445 --> 01:28:05,990 who killed my husband convicted of first-degree murder 1911 01:28:06,199 --> 01:28:09,452 and be given the death penalty, and that's what I got. 1912 01:28:09,661 --> 01:28:12,288 That's what happened. I thought okay, here it is. 1913 01:28:12,497 --> 01:28:16,417 I got justice. I'm gonna be free from this. 1914 01:28:16,626 --> 01:28:19,837 And it didn't happen. It was... it was just a lie. 1915 01:28:20,046 --> 01:28:22,173 It didn't change anything. 1916 01:28:22,382 --> 01:28:24,175 Aqeela Sherrills is famous 1917 01:28:24,384 --> 01:28:26,344 for brokering the truce between the Crips 1918 01:28:26,552 --> 01:28:28,596 and the Bloods in 1992. 1919 01:28:28,805 --> 01:28:33,268 Then in 2004, he experienced an unimaginable tragedy. 1920 01:28:33,476 --> 01:28:38,106 My oldest son was murdered, home from winter break, college. 1921 01:28:38,314 --> 01:28:41,651 And, yeah, was shot to death at a party. 1922 01:28:41,859 --> 01:28:43,587 You know, so my daughter called me and was like, 1923 01:28:43,611 --> 01:28:45,280 "Hey, you know, dad, they getting together 1924 01:28:45,488 --> 01:28:47,407 over on Sesame Street in the projects and stuff, 1925 01:28:47,615 --> 01:28:49,735 and they talking about going on a mission for Tyrell." 1926 01:28:49,826 --> 01:28:51,586 So I jumped in my car, and I drove over there 1927 01:28:51,786 --> 01:28:53,997 to the projects, and I jumped out the car, 1928 01:28:54,205 --> 01:28:56,374 and I said, "Hey," I said, 1929 01:28:56,582 --> 01:28:58,251 "Man, we've played this eye-for-an-eye, 1930 01:28:58,459 --> 01:29:00,128 tooth-for-a tooth game long enough." 1931 01:29:00,336 --> 01:29:02,839 I'm like, "You know, it's left us all blind 1932 01:29:03,047 --> 01:29:04,507 and toothless, you know?" 1933 01:29:04,716 --> 01:29:06,342 And I'm like, "Without anybody here 1934 01:29:06,551 --> 01:29:08,028 to provide direction and guidance for the kids 1935 01:29:08,052 --> 01:29:09,721 and the young folks and the parents 1936 01:29:09,929 --> 01:29:11,848 and the loved ones that are left behind like"... 1937 01:29:12,056 --> 01:29:14,767 I'm like, "Let's do something different." 1938 01:29:14,976 --> 01:29:17,562 I've met people who've had 1939 01:29:17,770 --> 01:29:20,189 absolutely devastating things happen to them, 1940 01:29:20,398 --> 01:29:22,650 and they're just angry and bitter. 1941 01:29:22,859 --> 01:29:27,030 And I didn't want that to be me. I'd done that long enough. 1942 01:29:27,238 --> 01:29:29,115 And it wasn't working. 1943 01:29:29,324 --> 01:29:31,492 And I needed something different. 1944 01:29:31,701 --> 01:29:34,787 Dionne and Aqeela did something incredible. 1945 01:29:34,996 --> 01:29:38,458 They rose to a consciousness most of us cannot imagine. 1946 01:29:38,666 --> 01:29:40,335 They didn't condone what happened, 1947 01:29:40,543 --> 01:29:42,211 but they forgave it. 1948 01:29:42,420 --> 01:29:44,547 I believe in the "F" word, you know, forgiveness. 1949 01:29:44,756 --> 01:29:47,884 Because of forgiveness is not, you know, 1950 01:29:48,092 --> 01:29:50,470 something that you do for the perpetrator. 1951 01:29:50,678 --> 01:29:52,238 It's something that you do for yourself. 1952 01:29:52,430 --> 01:29:56,517 There is no cure to violence in violence. 1953 01:29:56,726 --> 01:29:59,270 Violence can never be a cure for violence. 1954 01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,064 It's been said for thousands of years. 1955 01:30:01,272 --> 01:30:04,567 You can't fight darkness with darkness. 1956 01:30:04,776 --> 01:30:06,486 You can only bring in the light. 1957 01:30:06,694 --> 01:30:10,031 If we're really trying to deliver public safety, 1958 01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:13,117 then we need to start asking questions. 1959 01:30:13,326 --> 01:30:14,786 We need to say why. 1960 01:30:14,994 --> 01:30:16,829 What happened in the personal life 1961 01:30:17,038 --> 01:30:19,266 of this young man to cause him to have this callous heart, 1962 01:30:19,290 --> 01:30:21,542 this fear that he would take another human being's life? 1963 01:30:21,751 --> 01:30:24,879 Why is this person 1964 01:30:25,088 --> 01:30:28,091 cycling in and out of jail or prison? 1965 01:30:28,299 --> 01:30:30,426 For Dionne, she decided she wanted the death 1966 01:30:30,635 --> 01:30:33,971 of her husband Dan to lead to something transformative, 1967 01:30:34,180 --> 01:30:39,352 something good and the same for Aqeela and his son, Tyrell. 1968 01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,437 We're going to harness the essence of Tyrell, 1969 01:30:41,646 --> 01:30:43,707 and we're going to do something much more profound with this. 1970 01:30:43,731 --> 01:30:45,733 The point is to understand what's happened. 1971 01:30:45,942 --> 01:30:48,403 How can we repair the harm that's been done? 1972 01:30:48,611 --> 01:30:50,780 How can we make sure that it doesn't happen again? 1973 01:30:50,988 --> 01:30:52,800 And how can we, you know... With that individual, 1974 01:30:52,824 --> 01:30:54,784 but also with other individuals coming after them. 1975 01:30:54,826 --> 01:30:56,869 When we get the answer to that question, 1976 01:30:57,078 --> 01:30:59,038 we need to actually do something about it. 1977 01:30:59,247 --> 01:31:01,332 Real investment in institutions 1978 01:31:01,541 --> 01:31:03,793 that help people to heal from trauma. 1979 01:31:04,001 --> 01:31:07,004 There was an interesting article 1980 01:31:07,213 --> 01:31:08,798 in The New York Times a few years ago. 1981 01:31:09,006 --> 01:31:11,676 It was called Million Dollar Blocks, 1982 01:31:11,884 --> 01:31:15,471 where if you calculated how many of the residents 1983 01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,516 of that particular block were actually incarcerated 1984 01:31:18,724 --> 01:31:21,477 and you added up how much it cost the state 1985 01:31:21,686 --> 01:31:23,521 to keep those people incarcerated, 1986 01:31:23,729 --> 01:31:27,066 you would actually come up with more than $1 million per block. 1987 01:31:27,275 --> 01:31:30,236 What I would say is take those million dollars 1988 01:31:30,445 --> 01:31:33,030 that you're spending to put all those people in prison 1989 01:31:33,239 --> 01:31:35,908 and invest them in the kinds of things 1990 01:31:36,117 --> 01:31:38,411 that we know very well 1991 01:31:38,619 --> 01:31:40,455 will actually transform those communities. 1992 01:31:40,663 --> 01:31:43,875 My passion is Shakespeare because it's about words. 1993 01:31:44,083 --> 01:31:47,128 And the only way that you can heal trauma 1994 01:31:47,336 --> 01:31:48,671 is to find language for it. 1995 01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,007 I met my father when I was like 15. 1996 01:31:51,215 --> 01:31:53,050 Never met him before? Never saw him? 1997 01:31:53,259 --> 01:31:55,511 There's something strange here. It's something... 1998 01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:57,800 Someone with my kind of background here a little bit. 1999 01:31:57,972 --> 01:32:00,224 What they're trying to do is simply inhabit 2000 01:32:00,433 --> 01:32:02,894 that character as truthfully as they can. 2001 01:32:03,102 --> 01:32:04,937 And in analyzing and digging down deep 2002 01:32:05,146 --> 01:32:06,939 into the truth of that character, 2003 01:32:07,148 --> 01:32:09,400 what happens is they begin to dig into their own lives. 2004 01:32:09,609 --> 01:32:12,528 When I was a young man and I came to prison, 2005 01:32:12,737 --> 01:32:16,157 the older convicts taught me how to hustle at every opportunity 2006 01:32:16,365 --> 01:32:18,493 to make money, how to get over on the police. 2007 01:32:18,701 --> 01:32:22,747 And I looked up to them. They were my mentors. 2008 01:32:22,955 --> 01:32:24,457 Through Shakespeare Behind Bars, 2009 01:32:24,665 --> 01:32:28,836 I have learned that mentoring... Mentoring is... 2010 01:32:29,045 --> 01:32:31,797 It's very important, but it's also important 2011 01:32:32,006 --> 01:32:33,633 to mentor them in the right direction. 2012 01:32:33,841 --> 01:32:36,511 So, our recidivism rate in Kentucky 2013 01:32:36,719 --> 01:32:39,931 for this program, 22 years old, is 5.1%. 2014 01:32:40,139 --> 01:32:42,642 Guys that are out on the street. "Why didn't they go back?" 2015 01:32:42,850 --> 01:32:45,520 People ask all the time. I say, "Don't ask me, ask them." 2016 01:32:45,728 --> 01:32:47,706 What'll they tell you? Here's what I hear them say. 2017 01:32:47,730 --> 01:32:50,983 "I take responsibility for the crime that brought me here. 2018 01:32:51,192 --> 01:32:53,444 I now understand where that behavior came from 2019 01:32:53,653 --> 01:32:55,571 because I've gone back in my life, 2020 01:32:55,780 --> 01:32:57,240 and I've looked at all of that. 2021 01:32:57,448 --> 01:33:00,660 But I am not that human being anymore. 2022 01:33:00,868 --> 01:33:04,747 That's what arts programming many times gives prisoners hope, 2023 01:33:04,956 --> 01:33:08,209 because arts deal with the internal essence 2024 01:33:08,417 --> 01:33:10,002 of what it means to be a human being. 2025 01:33:16,759 --> 01:33:21,597 Vipassana is an intense program, a meditative technique. 2026 01:33:21,806 --> 01:33:25,935 The inmate has to go through it 24 hours a day 2027 01:33:26,143 --> 01:33:29,438 - for a 10-day period of time. - I spent eight and a half years 2028 01:33:29,647 --> 01:33:31,148 on death row, and this was harder. 2029 01:33:31,357 --> 01:33:33,776 All the stuff that's buried down deep, 2030 01:33:33,985 --> 01:33:35,444 they come up gradually. 2031 01:33:35,653 --> 01:33:37,572 They want you there long enough 2032 01:33:37,780 --> 01:33:39,991 that you actually deal with your stuff. 2033 01:33:40,199 --> 01:33:41,659 She says... 2034 01:33:46,455 --> 01:33:49,166 This is a restorative justice workshop. 2035 01:33:49,375 --> 01:33:51,627 They're very rare, and they are much harder 2036 01:33:51,836 --> 01:33:54,797 on perpetrators of crimes than sitting in a prison cell. 2037 01:33:55,006 --> 01:33:57,091 It puts these guys face to face 2038 01:33:57,300 --> 01:33:59,343 with the human consequences of their actions. 2039 01:33:59,552 --> 01:34:01,304 This is Rosa. 2040 01:34:01,512 --> 01:34:03,514 Her son was killed in a drive-by shooting. 2041 01:34:03,723 --> 01:34:06,517 And now, she devotes her life to telling inmates 2042 01:34:06,726 --> 01:34:09,854 serving time for murder what the effect was of their crime 2043 01:34:10,062 --> 01:34:12,690 not just for the deceased but on everyone. 2044 01:34:32,168 --> 01:34:34,170 - Thank you. Thank you. - Thank you. 2045 01:34:53,481 --> 01:34:55,149 You know what? 2046 01:35:03,115 --> 01:35:04,992 Restorative justice programs 2047 01:35:05,201 --> 01:35:07,703 and victim/offender reconciliations can take years. 2048 01:35:07,912 --> 01:35:09,997 They require a staff and resources 2049 01:35:10,206 --> 01:35:11,749 and they're incredibly successful. 2050 01:35:11,957 --> 01:35:13,501 Those who go through these programs 2051 01:35:13,709 --> 01:35:15,961 have as low as 10% rates of reoffending 2052 01:35:16,170 --> 01:35:20,299 as opposed to the 80% failure rates prisons shamefully have. 2053 01:35:20,508 --> 01:35:22,611 We sit there perplexed like, wow, what are we gonna do 2054 01:35:22,635 --> 01:35:24,178 about this criminal justice system? 2055 01:35:24,387 --> 01:35:27,431 It's such a mess. 2056 01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:31,560 Maybe if we just stopped doing these things that we're doing 2057 01:35:31,769 --> 01:35:35,564 and we try on a whole new set of other things, 2058 01:35:35,773 --> 01:35:38,943 it might turn out to be a little bit simpler than we thought. 2059 01:35:39,151 --> 01:35:43,989 The biggest prison we have is an invisible prison. 2060 01:35:44,198 --> 01:35:47,076 It's the conditioned mind, and you don't know 2061 01:35:47,284 --> 01:35:49,495 you're in the prison because you can't see bars. 2062 01:35:49,704 --> 01:35:51,330 You can't see walls. 2063 01:35:51,539 --> 01:35:54,291 And the conditioned mind is the separate mind. 2064 01:35:54,500 --> 01:35:55,835 It doesn't exist. 2065 01:35:56,043 --> 01:35:57,837 We are part of a collective mind, 2066 01:35:58,045 --> 01:36:00,840 and if the collective mind is violent, then we are violent. 2067 01:36:01,048 --> 01:36:03,926 And you can change that. 2068 01:36:04,135 --> 01:36:07,471 There's an opportunity here for us to take the wisdom 2069 01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:09,265 that we know works, what we would do 2070 01:36:09,473 --> 01:36:11,393 for our own kids if our own kids were in trouble, 2071 01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:13,227 and do it for everybody's kids. 2072 01:36:15,020 --> 01:36:17,815 We need to end the war on drugs. 2073 01:36:18,023 --> 01:36:20,609 We have to demand once and for all 2074 01:36:20,818 --> 01:36:25,156 an end to policing and prisons for profit. 2075 01:36:25,364 --> 01:36:28,075 At least half of the people in there are in there 2076 01:36:28,284 --> 01:36:29,744 for crimes of addiction 2077 01:36:29,952 --> 01:36:32,037 or economic desperation or mental health. 2078 01:36:32,246 --> 01:36:33,914 Instead of just throwing everybody 2079 01:36:34,123 --> 01:36:35,963 that we've decided we can't help into prison... 2080 01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,128 Use the money for restorative justice programs, 2081 01:36:39,336 --> 01:36:42,548 rehabs, and social services. 2082 01:36:42,757 --> 01:36:44,967 There has to be citizen oversight 2083 01:36:45,176 --> 01:36:48,095 and accountability for all our public servants. 2084 01:36:48,304 --> 01:36:50,514 Luckily for us, we have access to all of the data. 2085 01:36:50,723 --> 01:36:53,893 If you have any interest in justice or equal access 2086 01:36:54,101 --> 01:36:55,686 to opportunity in this country, 2087 01:36:55,895 --> 01:36:57,521 all the data, luckily, is out there. 2088 01:36:57,730 --> 01:37:00,149 It's just a matter of whether you give a shit. 2089 01:37:00,357 --> 01:37:03,944 Our survival depends on being logical. 2090 01:37:04,153 --> 01:37:07,823 Our survival depends on being smart. 2091 01:37:08,032 --> 01:37:12,912 And our survival depends on love... 2092 01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:15,664 for each other.... 2093 01:37:15,873 --> 01:37:17,875 And, um... 2094 01:37:18,083 --> 01:37:20,127 love for yourself. 2095 01:37:23,255 --> 01:37:25,382 And a good Monday morning to you. 2096 01:37:25,591 --> 01:37:29,178 California man finally free after serving 16 years 2097 01:37:29,386 --> 01:37:31,347 for a crime he didn't commit. 2098 01:37:31,555 --> 01:37:33,140 I didn't think it was real until I saw 2099 01:37:33,349 --> 01:37:36,477 my attorneys in visiting, and... 2100 01:37:36,685 --> 01:37:38,854 I'm trying to describe the feeling. 2101 01:37:42,900 --> 01:37:44,777 It was an unbelievable feeling. 2102 01:37:44,985 --> 01:37:49,073 It was just an emotional roller coaster that, you know... 2103 01:37:49,281 --> 01:37:51,033 I mean, I cried walking out. 2104 01:37:51,242 --> 01:37:55,287 It was just the magnitude of all these years 2105 01:37:55,496 --> 01:37:57,414 and, like, now here it is. 2106 01:37:57,623 --> 01:37:59,416 And then a moment later, 2107 01:37:59,625 --> 01:38:01,293 I would be too bewildered to cry 2108 01:38:01,502 --> 01:38:04,046 and I would just be... 2109 01:38:07,883 --> 01:38:10,427 That... that whole day was really scary for me. 2110 01:38:10,636 --> 01:38:13,556 A lot of people, like, think that they would be like, 2111 01:38:13,764 --> 01:38:18,352 "Yay," but I was terrified. 2112 01:38:18,561 --> 01:38:21,647 There were well-wishers... Well-wishers there of officers 2113 01:38:21,856 --> 01:38:24,692 that knew the... I think they knew the truth 2114 01:38:24,900 --> 01:38:26,777 and certainly knew the character, 2115 01:38:26,986 --> 01:38:28,404 you know, my character. 2116 01:38:28,612 --> 01:38:30,406 And then I was in the parking lot. 2117 01:38:34,076 --> 01:38:36,704 The air smelled different. 2118 01:38:36,912 --> 01:38:38,289 I wish my mom could've been there. 2119 01:38:38,497 --> 01:38:39,957 I wish my dad could've been there. 2120 01:38:40,165 --> 01:38:41,645 I wish my stepmom could've been there. 2121 01:38:45,462 --> 01:38:47,047 But I think in a way they were. 2122 01:38:49,508 --> 01:38:52,261 And it was good. It was good. 2123 01:38:54,638 --> 01:38:58,392 Like, once I got on the other side with my attorneys, 2124 01:38:58,601 --> 01:39:01,270 I just felt like running, like just getting as far away 2125 01:39:01,478 --> 01:39:03,647 from that place as I possibly could. 2126 01:39:03,856 --> 01:39:06,317 That's probably not the answer 2127 01:39:06,525 --> 01:39:09,194 that everybody would think that I would have. 2128 01:39:09,403 --> 01:39:14,241 But... it wasn't a joyous time for me. 2129 01:39:14,450 --> 01:39:16,660 I mean, like, I literally was scared to death. 2130 01:39:16,869 --> 01:39:18,412 My cousin was waiting for me. 2131 01:39:18,621 --> 01:39:20,414 My private investigator was waiting for me, 2132 01:39:20,623 --> 01:39:24,668 and I said... you want to hear what I actually said? 2133 01:39:24,877 --> 01:39:30,049 And I looked at Paul, and I said, you know... 2134 01:39:30,257 --> 01:39:31,717 "Let's get this stuff in the truck 2135 01:39:31,926 --> 01:39:33,928 and get the fuck out of here." 2136 01:39:34,136 --> 01:39:36,263 And we couldn't leave fast enough. 2137 01:39:38,849 --> 01:39:42,478 The first place we stopped at was IHOP for some breakfast. 2138 01:39:42,686 --> 01:39:48,108 And I was, like, amazed at just the syrup menu. 2139 01:39:48,317 --> 01:39:51,445 It just was overwhelming, like, 2140 01:39:51,654 --> 01:39:53,072 it was completely overwhelming. 2141 01:39:57,493 --> 01:39:59,703 I haven't been in a vehicle 2142 01:39:59,912 --> 01:40:03,499 without being chained at my feet and with a waist chain 2143 01:40:03,707 --> 01:40:06,085 and then handcuffs hooked to the waist chain 2144 01:40:06,293 --> 01:40:10,047 and in a paper jumpsuit for 26 years. 2145 01:40:13,384 --> 01:40:15,219 ? I am a man 2146 01:40:15,427 --> 01:40:17,262 ? I am a man 2147 01:40:17,471 --> 01:40:19,515 ? I am a man 2148 01:40:19,723 --> 01:40:23,769 ? I am a man 'cause you said I am 2149 01:40:26,313 --> 01:40:29,608 The word "adjustment," I mean... 2150 01:40:29,817 --> 01:40:32,319 I try to... I try to figure that word out. 2151 01:40:32,528 --> 01:40:34,279 Do I have to... 2152 01:40:34,488 --> 01:40:37,783 I'm still trying to figure that word out. 2153 01:40:37,992 --> 01:40:41,787 Like, how do you adjust coming from the planet Mars to Earth? 2154 01:40:41,996 --> 01:40:45,082 I don't even think the oxygen is the same up there. 2155 01:40:45,290 --> 01:40:47,042 I don't think I'm adjusted at all. 2156 01:40:47,251 --> 01:40:51,296 ? It's impossible to be invincible 2157 01:40:54,008 --> 01:40:58,387 ? But maybe it's possible to be impossible 2158 01:40:58,595 --> 01:41:00,264 ? I am a man 2159 01:41:00,472 --> 01:41:02,474 ? I am a man 2160 01:41:02,683 --> 01:41:04,560 ? I am a man 2161 01:41:04,768 --> 01:41:08,856 ? I am a man 'cause you said I am 2162 01:41:10,607 --> 01:41:11,942 ? Yeah 2163 01:41:14,820 --> 01:41:16,864 ? I am a man 2164 01:41:17,072 --> 01:41:18,949 ? I am a man 2165 01:41:19,158 --> 01:41:21,118 ? I am a man 2166 01:41:21,326 --> 01:41:25,456 ? I am a man 'cause you said I am 2167 01:41:26,957 --> 01:41:28,375 ? Yeah 2168 01:41:30,627 --> 01:41:33,088 ? Oooh 2169 01:41:56,737 --> 01:42:00,866 ? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh 2170 01:42:01,075 --> 01:42:04,078 ? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh 2171 01:42:04,286 --> 01:42:07,081 ? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh 2172 01:42:07,289 --> 01:42:10,250 ? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh 2173 01:42:10,459 --> 01:42:13,337 ? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh 2174 01:42:13,545 --> 01:42:16,507 ? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh 2175 01:42:16,715 --> 01:42:19,593 ? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh 2176 01:42:19,802 --> 01:42:22,805 ? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh 2177 01:42:23,013 --> 01:42:25,849 ? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh 2178 01:42:26,058 --> 01:42:29,061 ? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh 2179 01:42:29,269 --> 01:42:32,231 ? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh 2180 01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:35,275 ? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh 2181 01:42:35,484 --> 01:42:38,320 ? Ohh, ohh, ohh... 168784

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