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Welcome to
the United States of America.
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We call this
the land of the free,
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but this country is home
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to the largest prison population
in the world.
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2.2 million Americans.
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We put more people in cages
here than China,
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Russia, than anywhere.
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We have more people in prisons.
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More than we have colleges
and universities.
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1/3 of all incarcerated
females globally
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are locked up here
in the United States.
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13 million Americans
are arrested every year.
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- Get your hands off the truck!
- I'm not doing anything.
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Put that in perspective...
Imagine all of Los Angeles
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and all of New York combined
arrested every year.
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There are countless heroes
in law enforcement
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saving lives every day.
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Able to pull her limp bo...
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But not a single state
in our union
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- has use-of-force laws...
- I can't breathe!
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That meet even the most basic
international standards...
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With record poverty, drug use,
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and countless nonviolent
social issues
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left to our police officers
to solve with only three tools,
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we have a national crisis
on our hands.
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Of course,
we need dangerous people
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removed from our communities.
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But how many Americans
are really so dangerous...
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He's arresting me.
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That they need to be locked
in a cage?
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I enrolled my girls
in my father's school district.
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They sent me to jail.
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They sent my father
to jail, too.
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My father never came home.
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The law enforcement apparatus
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is deployed disproportionately
against people of color.
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If you're a black man,
your crack is gonna get
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300 times more than your...
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We know reform
is desperately needed,
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- but how do we reform...
- Can't record inside.
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When prisons don't just
lock people up inside?
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You don't want to tape me
with your telephone!
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- Get it all!
- I'm a member of the press.
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- They lock us out.
- Pack up and go.
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Citizens, the media,
independent journalists
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are all routinely barred
from recording or documenting
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anything that's going on inside
our criminal justice system.
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You're a chicken shit motherfu...
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We have to get all our
information and impressions
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from corporate
commercially funded television.
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If you can't do the time,
don't do the cr...
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These shows are filmed
and edited
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under tight supervision.
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They're not going to prepare you
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for the inhuman conditions,
the violence
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and brutality
you're going to have to face.
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You think because
you obey the law,
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you have nothing to worry about.
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But recently,
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the Wall Street Journal suggests
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we now have so many laws
on the books,
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the average American
commits three felonies a day
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- without even knowing it.
- He didn't do anything!
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As an American, you're more
likely to go to prison here
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than anywhere else in the world.
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You need to know how to handle
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an out-of-control
police officer.
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Yes, why am I gonna...
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How to survive an interrogation,
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how to survive County jail
and an extreme prison sentence.
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To take us through the steps...
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we're going to follow
the stories of two Americans...
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Bruce Lisker, an innocent man
convicted of murder,
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and Reggie Cole,
another innocent man
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who endured
an even more horrific nightmare.
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We're going to get perspectives
from investigative journalists,
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analysts, academics,
prison staff,
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lawyers, cops, inmates.
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So in the unfortunate case
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that this may happen to you,
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this is the survivor's guide
to prison.
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They got a hold on you
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? I'll grab the podium mic
and open the knife
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? We don't read
between the lines
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? Let alone the stripes
and the stars
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? Presidents get popped
in their cars
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? I ain't coppin' the drop,
real talk
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As an American citizen,
you don't have to be
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a murderer or a rapist
or a thief to be arrested.
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You can call the police
in an emergency
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and find yourself arrested
just because
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the officer doesn't like you.
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My strongest memory of my mom
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is she was very into teaching
and sharing.
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We loved each other.
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I would've put my own life
on the line
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to try to save my mom's
had I known
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anything like this
was going to happen.
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And it was a day just
like any other day.
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I went over
to my parents' house.
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Normally, when I went over,
my mom would come out
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on the front porch to greet me.
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And that day,
she didn't come to the door.
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I was able to see her
on the floor,
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and she had been stabbed
and beaten and left for dead.
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And I was just freaking out.
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I was hysterical,
and I was yelling and screaming
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at the paramedics to hurry up
and get her to the hospital
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so that the doctors could
do something to save her life.
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And the police choke-holded me
and handcuffed me
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and put me in the car
for my own safety, ostensibly.
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You call the authorities
when something goes wrong.
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I mean, you call for help,
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and you put
your full faith in them.
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I was telling the police,
"I want to go to the hospital
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to be with my mom,"
screaming, crying, you know?
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And he said, "No, we have to go
to Van Nuys Police Department."
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The detective interrogated
Bruce for two hours.
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By the time he was done
interrogating me, she had died.
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Fuck.
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So what would you do?
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Tell the cops whatever
they want to know?
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- Demand they release you.
- Scream?
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- Argue.
- Maybe even fight.
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There are a number
of citizen watchdog groups...
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Who observe and record
police misconduct.
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Their advice
is to always be polite.
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Never engage with an aggravated
or confrontational officer.
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First of all,
you disrespected me,
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this badge, and my department,
you understand me?!
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When I'm talking to you,
you shut your mouth!
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Ask, "Am I being detained,
or am I free to go?"
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It's just it's unusual behavior,
is what we're getting at.
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I'm assuming I'm being detained.
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Am I being the detained or not?
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- You can go, sir.
- Thank you.
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If you're not being detained,
leave immediately.
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If you are being detained,
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the police can legally lie
to you.
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So, don't get into
any conversation
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or start answering questions,
just ask for an attorney.
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If you're arrested,
never talk to anybody
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without an attorney there.
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Susan Mellon was 42 years old
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in Gardena California
when she was accused
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of a murder she didn't commit.
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The detective
assigned to the case
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was relying on the testimony
of one witness.
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The whole case hinged
on the word of one person,
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June Patty,
and everything June Patty said
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was inconsistent
with every other lead.
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Every single lead
put three gang members
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in the house...
and no women.
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I was pleading
that I was innocent.
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When I left my daughter there,
I just remember telling her
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that, "Don't worry, baby,
I'll be back for dinner."
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Susan's daughter, Jessica.
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She said to me that she
was gonna be home for dinner,
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and she was home 17 years later.
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Not seeing my children,
that was very hard on me.
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For all those years,
I'm still broken.
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My heart's still broken
from everything I went through.
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It's... I don't know,
it's just so scary.
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It was the worst nightmare
of my whole life.
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The bottom line is you have
a right to be silent.
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Keep your mouth shut
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because those words
will be used against you.
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To survive and interrogation,
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you've got to be ready
to stand your ground...
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against bullying, aggression,
and intimidation.
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No matter how intimidating
they get,
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just say,
"I want to speak to a lawyer."
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And I hope you can afford
a good one.
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I didn't have
an adequate attorney.
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It was a drive-by shooting that
took place in East Los Angeles.
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I looked like
the actual shooter.
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I "resembled"
was the correct word.
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I served approximately
nine years
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and eight months in prison.
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If you don't have
an adequate attorney,
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your entire future
rests in the hands
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of a detective assigned
to your case.
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The words of Bruce Lisker
were used against him.
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And you're dealing
with a 17-year-old kid,
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and they were able to manipulate
him and twist things.
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My case was assigned
to a homicide detective
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who...
It was one of his first cases.
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He hadn't even gone to homicide
school yet with the LAPD.
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And he jumped the gun
and basically decided
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that 'cause
I was a long-haired kid
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who looked like he smoked pot,
which I did,
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that I was the person
who had attacked my mother.
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He must have had
all of his colleagues
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scrutinizing him,
looking at him.
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"How long is it gonna take you
to solve this one, Andy?"
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And, well, he did it in minutes,
didn't he?
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In 1994, Reggie Cole
was 18 years old
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living in South Central LA
with no criminal record
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when he was arrested for
the murder of Felipe Angeles.
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The only eyewitness
was a man named John Jones,
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the owner of a brothel
across the street
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known as Johnny's
House of Prostitution.
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How long has this place
been in operation?
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- About 17 years.
- About 17 years?
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The police were willing
to overlook
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what John Jones was doing.
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Then John Jones
would be willing to play along
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with whatever the cops
wanted him to do.
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16 years later,
a new theory would emerge
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that the actual shooter was
more likely John Jones himself
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firing from the rooftop
of his own building.
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But the arresting officer
on the case
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was sure the murderer
was Reggie Cole.
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It was her first...
Her first case,
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and she needed to close the case
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in order for her to get
her shield, her homicide shield.
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To be a doctor,
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you have to go to school
for many years.
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To be a lawyer, you have to go
to school for many years.
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I don't understand how somebody
with just a high school diploma
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or a GED can have
that type of power,
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to be an officer of the law
with a pistol
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that can take
someone's life, literally,
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or with the charges
they put on you.
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People, they don't...
They don't feel the need
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to speak up because
it doesn't happen to them.
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"Oh, that's... that's messed up,
you know what I mean?
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But it can never happen to me."
Yes, it could.
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It could happen to you
just like that.
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Every staff member,
everybody that I encountered
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I was saying,
"A mistake has been made.
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I didn't do anything,"
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Begging for phone calls
to talk to my dad.
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You know, from moment to moment,
the reality
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that my mother's dead...
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would just bring an icy chill.
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First thing the next morning,
I was taken up front
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to talk to a psychologist
or psychiatrist,
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and in this cheery
kind of a voice,
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he says, "So, how do you feel
about being here at Sylmar?"
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And I said, you know,
"Are you kidding?"
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Since the LAPD report stated
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that Bruce stabbed his mother
to death,
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the doctor determined
that Bruce must be psychotic.
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Prison healthcare is a disgrace.
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I mean,
it's more like a horror show.
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The medical conditions
inside of prisons in California
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have been so bad for so long.
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You're talking about
misdiagnosis,
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just barbaric conditions.
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So a district court in 2002
said that an outside agency
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had to come in and take over
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the entire medical system
in the prisons.
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Today, after spending
billions of dollars,
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some California prisons
still fail to meet even
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the most basic constitutional
standards for healthcare.
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If you have a serious
mental illness,
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the United States of America
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is probably the worst place
you want to be.
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If you don't have the money
to pay for constant care,
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you in danger
of facing law enforcement.
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If you're a schizophrenic
or a bipolar,
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you are 16 times
more likely to die
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when encountering
law enforcement.
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A 5-foot-3, 100-pound teen fell
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when he was stunned.
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Two officers
then jumped on top of him,
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and while they held him down,
the third officer,
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who ordered the stun guns
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then shot Keith in the chest
and killed him.
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And if you don't die,
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you're ten times more likely to
land in prison than a hospital.
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The national
sheriff's association
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got together with a treatment
advocacy center.
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They looked into it.
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It turns out, 50%...
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50% of the people
who are locked up
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have some kind
of mental health issue.
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We will not negotiate
with terrorists!
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In the 1960s,
state psychiatric hospitals
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began closing
and the nation's mentally ill
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found themselves on the streets,
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often winding up in prison.
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If you're mentally ill
and you're in prison,
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you're more likely to get worse,
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experience increased
behavioral problems,
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and you're going to be
disproportionately abused,
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beaten, and raped.
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You're more likely
to commit suicide.
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And if you're released,
you're more likely
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to reoffend and come right back.
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Most prison staff
are poorly equipped to diagnose,
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manage, or treat your condition.
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And if you add that all up,
you know,
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it makes me ask the question,
who are the crazy ones?
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I can't breathe!
I can't breathe!
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And then I was medicated.
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I was given Mellaril,
which is like Thorazine.
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Numbed my brain.
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I was a very docile inmate
at that point.
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Warning,
side effects of Thorazine
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may include sedation,
slurred speech,
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dizziness, memory loss.
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So the odds of fighting
your case may be difficult.
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Hopefully, you have someone
on the outside
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working on your behalf.
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Bruce was kept in a single cell
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23 hours a day
for the next 19 days.
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Over their two visits together,
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Bruce and his father
were confident
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they'd solve the murder.
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I met Mike Ryan in
a 12-step program that I was in.
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He didn't have a place to stay,
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and I let him stay on the couch
in my apartment.
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And he basically
stopped paying any rent.
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You know, worked up my courage
and said, "You have to go.
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You know, I have to
kick you out, man, sorry."
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So, I started like taking
some of his stuff
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off the shelves
and putting them into boxes.
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And he grabbed me and put me
against the bathroom door jam
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and held a knife to my throat
and said,
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"If you ever touch
my shit again, I'll kill you."
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And he was gone, and I thought,
whew, thank God, he's gone.
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My mom told my dad
the day before the murder
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that Mike Ryan had been there
that day looking for money,
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looking for food,
looking for... you know.
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We know it in our hearts,
my dad and I,
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Mike Ryan killed my mom.
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This is... this is the letter
Lisker writes to Monsue
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after he's arrested.
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He's behind bars,
and he goes, "Dear sir,
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I'm sure that by this point,
it has become apparent to you
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that I am not the murderer."
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And this is where
he turns him on to Ryan
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as a potential suspect.
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When Monsue went to find Ryan
to interview him,
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he tracks him down in a jail
in Mississippi
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where I think he was arrested
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for breaking
into a woman's house.
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His story was so full of holes,
I mean,
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you could have driven
a truck through it.
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He said that he was sleeping
on the streets.
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He was sleeping in carports
until March 10th,
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when he checked
into a Hollywood motel,
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which is 12 miles away from
our house at around 11:00 AM.
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Suddenly,
at 3:00 PM on March 10th,
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four hours after my mom
was killed and robbed,
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he has money to check
into a motel.
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I don't think that Monsue
was out to get Lisker.
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I think that he developed what
detectives call tunnel vision.
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I had heard a lot of things
about him being narrow-minded.
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Once he made his mind up,
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there was no way of...
Of making him change his mind.
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And so, that... that leads
to some serious problems
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when you're dealing
with a homicide investigation.
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Detective Monsue did a search
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on Mike Ryan's criminal record,
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apparently using
the wrong birth date.
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He had the wrong date
of birth for him,
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and if he had the right date
of birth
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and he checked
criminal records back then,
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he would've found
that just a few months prior
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to the Dorka Lisker slaying,
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Ryan had allegedly held a knife
to a friend's throat over $12,
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which you would think
would cause, you know,
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a detective to consider him
a little more seriously,
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you know, for the offense
he was investigating.
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Eventually, like Bruce,
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you're gonna have
a detention hearing.
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During which time a judge
is going to make a determination
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as to whether you're going to
stay in jail
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or you can be released
while you await your trial.
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Well, unless you have
a lot of money for attorneys,
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you're not going anywhere.
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Basically, you go in there
with your hands
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tied behind your back
because of the power
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that we give to police officers
in this nation.
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His word carried the day.
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The Constitution is supposed
to guarantee
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a speedy trial
and prohibit the use
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of cruel and unusual punishment.
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Myself, I spent 15 months
before trial
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in the county jail
in deplorable conditions.
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I was in numerous riots,
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various situations
where I had to defend myself.
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I made a new word.
It's called I was petrinoid.
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I was petrified
and paranoid at the same time.
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Surviving County jail.
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The first thing that you're
going to want to do is get out.
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So whatever you have to do
to get the money, it's worth it.
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You definitely don't want
to be going to trial
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in a jumpsuit or in cuffs.
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A study of defendants
in Kentucky found
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that individuals in jail
were over three times
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more likely to be sentenced
to prison
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than those who were released
and showed up for court
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in regular clothes.
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If you're stuck in jail,
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be prepared to be completely
humiliated and violated.
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You are going to be stripped
of all your personal possessions
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and your clothing.
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Your integrity,
your respect, everything.
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Keep to yourself.
Be polite and ask permission...
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- To use the water fountain.
- The bathroom.
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- The lights.
- The sink.
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That's it right there.
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00:19:55,946 --> 00:19:57,090
Mind your own business
and be respectful.
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Never call the guards
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if you got a problem
with somebody.
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Just talk to the person
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that you have a problem with
directly or let it go.
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00:20:03,829 --> 00:20:06,456
You're gonna want to make a lot
of phone calls to your family.
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00:20:06,665 --> 00:20:08,333
- To get advice.
- Find a lawyer.
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00:20:08,542 --> 00:20:10,627
- To talk to a friend.
- To find out how to get out.
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00:20:10,836 --> 00:20:12,671
As quickly as possible.
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00:20:15,174 --> 00:20:17,342
They can charge
over a dollar a minute.
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00:20:17,551 --> 00:20:19,636
Calls to and from your lawyer,
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00:20:19,845 --> 00:20:22,472
your son, daughter,
your mom, or your dad.
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00:20:22,681 --> 00:20:25,100
I wouldn't want to do any time
in the county jail at all.
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00:20:25,309 --> 00:20:26,786
It's not bearable
because they don't treat you
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with any type of respect.
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00:20:28,896 --> 00:20:31,136
Like, you're supposed to be
innocent until proven guilty.
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Okay, well, this is a place
where it should show that.
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"Innocent until proven guilty"
originally meant...
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Nobody should
ever be denied a trial.
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And it was created
as a protection...
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Against torturing people
into confessions.
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00:20:50,042 --> 00:20:51,543
It was established
as a shield...
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Against mob mentality
and witch hunts.
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00:20:55,672 --> 00:20:59,051
And this presumption of
innocence until proven guilty
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is a foundational notion
of civil justice.
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00:21:02,346 --> 00:21:03,889
The problem is, is that it's
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a difficult principle
to preserve.
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You have to be vigilant
about preserving it.
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00:21:09,019 --> 00:21:11,099
David Sirota's an investigative
journalist who's done
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00:21:11,188 --> 00:21:13,228
extensive work in America's
criminal justice system.
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00:21:13,398 --> 00:21:16,985
Our media culture,
where the camera is on,
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00:21:17,194 --> 00:21:18,695
you've got Court TV...
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00:21:18,904 --> 00:21:21,657
On the murder count,
he is going to walk.
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00:21:21,865 --> 00:21:23,575
No justice!
No peace!
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00:21:23,784 --> 00:21:25,160
People want to see retribution.
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00:21:25,369 --> 00:21:26,729
They want to see
somebody punished.
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00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:29,289
Who in the heck
is in that jury room?
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00:21:29,498 --> 00:21:30,808
You've got politicians
running around.
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00:21:30,832 --> 00:21:32,501
Just stoking the flames.
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00:21:32,709 --> 00:21:35,796
When folks mess with Americans,
we go after them.
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00:21:36,004 --> 00:21:38,674
- People want revenge.
- And it's reminiscent
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00:21:38,882 --> 00:21:41,510
of medieval times,
people screaming for blood.
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00:21:41,718 --> 00:21:43,595
And our present culture
doesn't seem to value
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the concept of innocent
until proven guilty.
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And so, unless you're vigilant
about preserving
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a presumption of innocence,
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00:21:52,312 --> 00:21:54,332
then you're going to lose
that presumption of innocence.
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00:21:54,356 --> 00:21:55,941
Kalief Browder was a teenager.
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00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:58,026
He was walking home from school
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when someone accused him
of stealing a backpack.
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00:22:00,112 --> 00:22:01,589
The police didn't do
any investigating.
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00:22:01,613 --> 00:22:03,323
They just arrested him.
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00:22:03,532 --> 00:22:04,801
And the next thing you know,
they putting the cuffs.
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00:22:04,825 --> 00:22:06,576
I don't even know this dude.
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00:22:06,785 --> 00:22:08,745
His family couldn't afford
the $10,000 bail.
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00:22:08,954 --> 00:22:11,248
Kalief was subjected
to officer assaults,
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00:22:11,456 --> 00:22:12,874
which you can see here,
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00:22:13,083 --> 00:22:15,085
and groups of inmates
attacking him.
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00:22:15,294 --> 00:22:17,214
They was just all bawling
on my head to the point
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00:22:17,379 --> 00:22:20,674
where I just had to just grab
my head, like, I can't take it.
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00:22:20,882 --> 00:22:22,759
He missed his sister's wedding,
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00:22:22,968 --> 00:22:25,220
the birth of his nephew,
and so many family events.
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00:22:25,429 --> 00:22:28,557
After nearly three
years of unimaginable torture,
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incarcerated without a trial,
he was finally offered a deal.
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If he would plead guilty,
they'd let him go.
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00:22:34,646 --> 00:22:37,399
She told me if I lose trial,
I could get 15 years.
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00:22:37,607 --> 00:22:39,026
Take the time served,
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00:22:39,234 --> 00:22:40,753
and you go home today
if you say you did it.
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00:22:40,777 --> 00:22:42,417
I didn't do it.
I'm not saying I did that.
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00:22:42,446 --> 00:22:44,323
He went back to jail.
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00:22:44,531 --> 00:22:47,993
In June, he was suddenly freed
with no explanation.
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00:22:48,201 --> 00:22:49,703
No apology, no nothing.
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00:22:49,911 --> 00:22:52,122
They just said,
"Oh, case dismissed.
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00:22:52,331 --> 00:22:54,583
Don't worry about nothing."
What do you mean?
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00:22:54,791 --> 00:22:56,918
Y'all just took over
three years of my life.
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00:22:57,127 --> 00:22:59,421
The New Yorker reported
that Kalief's relatives
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00:22:59,629 --> 00:23:02,591
said he was inflicted
by paranoia, suspecting cops
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00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:05,052
or other authority figures
were after him.
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00:23:05,260 --> 00:23:07,596
Two years after he was released
from Riker's Island,
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00:23:07,804 --> 00:23:10,432
Kalief Browder
took his own life.
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00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:16,063
The eighth amendment
to the US Constitution
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is also supposed to guarantee
us the right
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00:23:18,398 --> 00:23:20,192
to be free from excessive bail.
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00:23:22,486 --> 00:23:24,613
Bail is money
that you temporarily loan
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00:23:24,821 --> 00:23:26,549
or give the courts
as collateral to guarantee
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00:23:26,573 --> 00:23:28,293
that you're going to show up
for your trial.
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00:23:28,325 --> 00:23:30,077
But like the rest
of the eighth amendment,
494
00:23:30,285 --> 00:23:32,555
this idea that you're supposed
to be free from excessive bail
495
00:23:32,579 --> 00:23:33,979
is a right
that's regularly violated
496
00:23:34,122 --> 00:23:35,707
by our criminal justice system.
497
00:23:35,916 --> 00:23:37,959
Meanwhile,
the bail bond industry
498
00:23:38,168 --> 00:23:41,755
is making profits
of $2 billion a year.
499
00:23:48,053 --> 00:23:50,222
What we would need
is at least for you
500
00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:52,599
to be employed two years
on the job.
501
00:23:52,808 --> 00:23:56,311
What you do need to pay
is going to be 10%.
502
00:23:59,064 --> 00:24:01,650
After 30 days in custody,
503
00:24:01,858 --> 00:24:04,736
Bruce finally had
the opportunity to post bail.
504
00:24:04,945 --> 00:24:08,281
Bail was set at $250,000.
505
00:24:08,490 --> 00:24:10,909
Neither Bruce
or his father had the money.
506
00:24:11,118 --> 00:24:13,954
I was scared shitless.
I was so frightened.
507
00:24:14,162 --> 00:24:16,164
The whole way down,
I just thought, this is...
508
00:24:16,373 --> 00:24:18,458
You know, I keep using the word
"nightmare,"
509
00:24:18,667 --> 00:24:22,170
but I mean, this could be
the end of my life.
510
00:24:22,379 --> 00:24:24,214
I don't know.
I don't know.
511
00:24:24,423 --> 00:24:26,299
The most important thing
that I can tell you
512
00:24:26,508 --> 00:24:27,759
is to protect yourself.
513
00:24:27,968 --> 00:24:29,386
Don't talk to people.
514
00:24:29,594 --> 00:24:31,388
If you're running off
at the mouth,
515
00:24:31,596 --> 00:24:33,316
you're usually going to dig
yourself a hole.
516
00:24:33,390 --> 00:24:36,184
If you want to survive
in jail or prison,
517
00:24:36,393 --> 00:24:38,270
take the advice of old-timers.
518
00:24:38,478 --> 00:24:40,063
This is Tim.
519
00:24:40,272 --> 00:24:41,731
He's going to elaborate
520
00:24:41,940 --> 00:24:43,859
on the most important
rule of all.
521
00:24:44,067 --> 00:24:47,529
I want you to pay attention!
522
00:24:47,737 --> 00:24:51,241
In 1986, Tim was 19 years old.
523
00:24:51,450 --> 00:24:53,428
He got involved with a girl
who was in some trouble.
524
00:24:53,452 --> 00:24:55,287
She's living with this guy.
525
00:24:55,495 --> 00:24:59,124
She starts insinuating that
she's being sexually abused.
526
00:24:59,332 --> 00:25:00,792
But like a dummy,
527
00:25:01,001 --> 00:25:03,086
I'm contemplating going
and getting her stuff.
528
00:25:03,295 --> 00:25:06,381
She says that he's got a gun so,
you know, we got to be careful.
529
00:25:06,590 --> 00:25:08,609
The guy that we're going with,
he's like, "Well, that's cool.
530
00:25:08,633 --> 00:25:09,926
We'll just take our own guns."
531
00:25:10,135 --> 00:25:11,887
They start wrestling
over this gun.
532
00:25:12,095 --> 00:25:15,432
I step out of the bathroom.
Fight or flight.
533
00:25:17,392 --> 00:25:18,935
No excuses.
Just dumb.
534
00:25:19,144 --> 00:25:20,824
This is... there's no excuse
for what I did.
535
00:25:20,896 --> 00:25:22,856
There's no excuse.
Pulled out my gun.
536
00:25:23,064 --> 00:25:26,276
I start shooting.
He falls behind the door.
537
00:25:26,485 --> 00:25:29,154
I pull Rob out of the door,
kick the door,
538
00:25:29,362 --> 00:25:31,239
and I shoot him again
in the head
539
00:25:31,448 --> 00:25:33,283
and was sentenced
to 25 years to life
540
00:25:33,492 --> 00:25:35,076
in the California prison system.
541
00:25:35,285 --> 00:25:37,829
Tim's first advice
to new fish is simple.
542
00:25:38,038 --> 00:25:42,292
Start with, you got two eyes
and two ears and one mouth.
543
00:25:42,501 --> 00:25:43,919
So you should be seeing
and hearing
544
00:25:44,127 --> 00:25:45,354
a whole lot more
than you're saying.
545
00:25:45,378 --> 00:25:46,880
If you don't take that advice,
546
00:25:47,088 --> 00:25:49,299
you're usually going to dig
yourself a hole
547
00:25:49,508 --> 00:25:51,468
because while you're talking,
548
00:25:51,676 --> 00:25:53,887
how many other people
are listening and watching?
549
00:25:54,095 --> 00:25:56,765
Keep it zipped up,
and don't think
550
00:25:56,973 --> 00:25:58,808
that any of those dudes
are your friends.
551
00:25:59,017 --> 00:26:01,978
I was put in a cell alone
552
00:26:02,187 --> 00:26:04,314
when I started hearing
this scraping sound.
553
00:26:04,523 --> 00:26:08,944
It gets louder and louder,
and it persists and finally,
554
00:26:09,152 --> 00:26:10,529
there's a hole in the wall now.
555
00:26:10,737 --> 00:26:12,197
And I'm like,
"Leave me alone."
556
00:26:12,405 --> 00:26:13,990
"Hey, youngster,
you know, what's up?
557
00:26:14,199 --> 00:26:16,701
My name's Bobby."
He said, "I'm a Christian.
558
00:26:16,910 --> 00:26:18,954
You don't have
to worry about me, I'm okay.
559
00:26:19,162 --> 00:26:20,914
Want a cigarette?
Do you smoke?"
560
00:26:21,122 --> 00:26:23,083
And he wants
to Bible study with me.
561
00:26:23,291 --> 00:26:25,252
And he was, you know,
reading the Bible
562
00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:28,129
about hope and about,
you know, truth.
563
00:26:28,338 --> 00:26:29,714
Basically, I had told him
564
00:26:29,923 --> 00:26:31,466
everything
that I was arrested for.
565
00:26:31,675 --> 00:26:33,115
"What's your attorney
doing for you?"
566
00:26:33,176 --> 00:26:34,469
I said, "Well, not much.
567
00:26:34,678 --> 00:26:36,179
I'm sitting here still,
you know?"
568
00:26:36,388 --> 00:26:38,108
He goes well,
"I'll help you with your case.
569
00:26:38,306 --> 00:26:40,642
Anything that I can do,"
and, you know, by the way,
570
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:42,435
do you have any money
that I could...
571
00:26:42,644 --> 00:26:44,288
You know, I don't have
any money and, you know,
572
00:26:44,312 --> 00:26:45,872
if you can help me out
with some money."
573
00:26:45,981 --> 00:26:47,899
My dad put money
on his books for him,
574
00:26:48,108 --> 00:26:51,736
and my attorney comes down
and has a tape recorder
575
00:26:51,945 --> 00:26:55,740
and pushes play,
and it's Robert Hughes
576
00:26:55,949 --> 00:26:59,536
on the tape saying I met Lisker
in the 7000 module
577
00:26:59,744 --> 00:27:02,581
of the county jail and,
you know,
578
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:05,041
he ran down
how he killed his mom.
579
00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:10,130
My jaw is just on the table.
I can't believe it.
580
00:27:10,338 --> 00:27:12,382
This was my friend,
this Robert Hughes,
581
00:27:12,591 --> 00:27:14,301
this Christian, this good guy.
582
00:27:14,509 --> 00:27:18,054
My case was the fourth case,
fourth defendant
583
00:27:18,263 --> 00:27:20,557
against whom Robert Hughes
had come forward and claimed
584
00:27:20,765 --> 00:27:23,602
a confession in the span
of about a year and a half.
585
00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:25,687
I think for about a decade,
586
00:27:25,895 --> 00:27:28,064
prosecutors had
this corrupt alliance
587
00:27:28,273 --> 00:27:31,693
with jailhouse informants
who would either make up
588
00:27:31,901 --> 00:27:34,988
or try to solicit confessions
from fellow inmates
589
00:27:35,196 --> 00:27:38,158
and then use that information
to try to get
590
00:27:38,366 --> 00:27:41,077
some leniency on their own case,
their own sentence.
591
00:27:41,286 --> 00:27:45,332
There was a shift in my attorney
with the tape of Robert Hughes.
592
00:27:45,540 --> 00:27:49,419
He gave up on me.
I saw it in his eyes.
593
00:27:49,628 --> 00:27:51,421
I saw it in his eyes.
594
00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:55,425
Bruce had been
incarcerated now for a year.
595
00:27:55,634 --> 00:27:58,637
As long as it's been,
which was incomprehensible to me
596
00:27:58,845 --> 00:28:02,557
that anybody could spend a day,
let alone close to a year
597
00:28:02,766 --> 00:28:05,060
behind bars for something
they didn't do,
598
00:28:05,268 --> 00:28:08,938
now I have another year to wait
potentially until my trial.
599
00:28:09,147 --> 00:28:11,428
One of the times that I came
back up front, juvenile hall,
600
00:28:11,566 --> 00:28:13,486
when they were receiving me,
said, wait a minute,
601
00:28:13,693 --> 00:28:15,737
the date of birth here,
this guy's over 18.
602
00:28:15,945 --> 00:28:18,281
He can't associate
with other minors.
603
00:28:18,490 --> 00:28:22,744
Because Bruce is now an adult,
they put Bruce in the box,
604
00:28:22,952 --> 00:28:25,205
which means
solitary confinement.
605
00:28:29,959 --> 00:28:33,380
The statewide prisoner
hunger strike began 11 days ago
606
00:28:33,588 --> 00:28:36,299
as a protest over solitary
confinement conditions.
607
00:28:36,508 --> 00:28:40,011
And now more than 2,300 inmates
are refusing to eat.
608
00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:44,182
Solitary confinement
is a prison within a prison.
609
00:28:44,391 --> 00:28:46,518
You're locked in a 6-by-9 cell.
610
00:28:46,726 --> 00:28:49,646
Everything is made of concrete,
even the bed.
611
00:28:49,854 --> 00:28:52,065
You're locked in there
23 hours a day,
612
00:28:52,273 --> 00:28:54,109
one hour out for recreation.
613
00:28:56,611 --> 00:28:59,614
You can be put into solitary
confinement for anything.
614
00:28:59,823 --> 00:29:02,992
You know, prison guard might
just get pissed off at you.
615
00:29:03,201 --> 00:29:05,537
Shane Bauer
is an American who was arrested
616
00:29:05,745 --> 00:29:08,581
in Iran for accidentally
hiking across their border.
617
00:29:08,790 --> 00:29:10,375
They put him
in solitary confinement.
618
00:29:10,583 --> 00:29:12,183
I would definitely say
that the situation
619
00:29:12,377 --> 00:29:13,712
in California is more extreme.
620
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,380
The cells in California
are smaller
621
00:29:15,588 --> 00:29:17,424
than the cell I was in in Iran.
622
00:29:17,632 --> 00:29:19,759
There's no windows
in the cells in California.
623
00:29:19,968 --> 00:29:22,554
The hole is considered torture
624
00:29:22,762 --> 00:29:26,433
by Amnesty International
and the United Nations.
625
00:29:26,641 --> 00:29:28,476
This is Anthony Graves.
626
00:29:28,685 --> 00:29:30,605
He's an innocent man
who was wrongfully convicted
627
00:29:30,645 --> 00:29:33,523
and spent 16 years in solitary.
628
00:29:33,732 --> 00:29:37,318
No one can begin to imagine
the psychological effects
629
00:29:37,527 --> 00:29:39,237
isolation has
on another human being.
630
00:29:39,446 --> 00:29:43,283
95% of Americans
who spent time in solitary
631
00:29:43,491 --> 00:29:45,910
report developing
a serious psychiatric condition.
632
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,038
Guys become paranoid,
schizophrenic,
633
00:29:49,247 --> 00:29:51,291
and can't sleep because
they're hearing voices.
634
00:29:51,499 --> 00:29:55,962
You're more than five times
more likely to commit suicide.
635
00:29:56,171 --> 00:29:58,590
I was there when guys
were attempting suicide
636
00:29:58,798 --> 00:30:01,718
by cutting themselves,
trying to tie a sheet
637
00:30:01,926 --> 00:30:04,637
around their necks,
overdosing on their medication.
638
00:30:04,846 --> 00:30:07,849
In Iran I know of nobody
being in solitary confinement
639
00:30:08,057 --> 00:30:09,517
for more than two years,
640
00:30:09,726 --> 00:30:11,811
which is an extremely long
period of time.
641
00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:14,063
But in California
and Pelican Bay State prison,
642
00:30:14,272 --> 00:30:16,316
the average time
is seven and a half years.
643
00:30:22,322 --> 00:30:25,325
For two years, Bruce had been
waiting for his trial.
644
00:30:25,533 --> 00:30:27,619
He'd gone over it in his head
day after day
645
00:30:27,827 --> 00:30:30,497
what the judge would say,
what a jury would think.
646
00:30:30,705 --> 00:30:32,540
When they heard the transcript
647
00:30:32,749 --> 00:30:34,959
of Detective Monsue's
interrogation of Mike Ryan,
648
00:30:35,168 --> 00:30:36,753
that's all they'd need to hear.
649
00:30:38,963 --> 00:30:41,508
All the lies,
all the inconsistencies,
650
00:30:41,716 --> 00:30:44,928
there would be no way
he wouldn't be found innocent.
651
00:30:45,136 --> 00:30:49,098
Except the prosecutor
filed a motion to deny Bruce
652
00:30:49,307 --> 00:30:50,767
the right to make any mention
653
00:30:50,975 --> 00:30:53,061
of Mike Ryan's name
at the trial.
654
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:56,439
On the grounds that we couldn't
tie Mike Ryan to the crime.
655
00:30:56,648 --> 00:30:58,441
The judge turns to my attorney,
656
00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:00,586
"What evidence do you have
that Mike Ryan is tied to this?"
657
00:31:00,610 --> 00:31:02,770
He says, "He was in the county.
He could have done it."
658
00:31:02,904 --> 00:31:04,614
And the judge goes,
"Is that all you have?"
659
00:31:04,823 --> 00:31:06,983
Because he didn't take the time
to read the transcript.
660
00:31:07,075 --> 00:31:08,701
He was just on autopilot.
661
00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:10,870
He was not paying attention.
He wasn't engaged.
662
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:13,039
He says, "Yeah,
that's it, that's all I have."
663
00:31:13,248 --> 00:31:15,834
We couldn't tie Mike Ryan
to the crime.
664
00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:17,669
That was the framework
for my trial.
665
00:31:17,877 --> 00:31:20,630
It is an absolute joke
the resources
666
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:22,507
prosecutors have
versus defense attorneys.
667
00:31:22,715 --> 00:31:24,425
Justin Brooks is the director
668
00:31:24,634 --> 00:31:26,553
of the California Innocence
Project,
669
00:31:26,761 --> 00:31:28,763
a nonprofit group dedicated
to helping
670
00:31:28,972 --> 00:31:31,391
wrongfully convicted Americans
get out of prison.
671
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:35,228
Prosecutors have a police force
at their disposal
672
00:31:35,436 --> 00:31:37,146
as their investigators.
673
00:31:37,355 --> 00:31:40,525
They're... they get the case
from the first moment
674
00:31:40,733 --> 00:31:42,151
it's being investigated.
675
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,629
They have access
to all the people
676
00:31:43,653 --> 00:31:45,488
who are involved in that.
677
00:31:45,697 --> 00:31:48,908
Defense comes late to the date.
We are at a total disadvantage.
678
00:31:49,117 --> 00:31:51,411
The sixth amendment
to the U.S. Constitution
679
00:31:51,619 --> 00:31:54,873
is supposed to guarantee
the right to effective counsel.
680
00:31:55,081 --> 00:31:57,959
But as we're seeing in America,
you have to buy your rights.
681
00:31:58,167 --> 00:32:01,379
You're more likely to walk free
if you're rich and guilty
682
00:32:01,588 --> 00:32:03,548
then you are if you're poor
and innocent.
683
00:32:03,756 --> 00:32:07,260
The evidence is Detective Monsue
telling his lies,
684
00:32:07,468 --> 00:32:11,806
Robert Hughes telling his lies,
and no alternate suspect.
685
00:32:12,015 --> 00:32:14,851
And so I'm screwed.
686
00:32:15,059 --> 00:32:17,103
They're charging me
with first-degree murder,
687
00:32:17,312 --> 00:32:19,814
which carries 26 years to life
in state prison.
688
00:32:20,023 --> 00:32:22,442
It's longer than I'd been alive.
689
00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:24,944
A day and a half in,
my attorney comes to me
690
00:32:25,153 --> 00:32:26,821
in the holding tank and says,
691
00:32:27,030 --> 00:32:30,033
"The judge is willing
to entertain a guilty plea
692
00:32:30,241 --> 00:32:32,118
in exchange for
a youth authority sentence."
693
00:32:32,327 --> 00:32:34,621
I talk with my dad, I said,
"Guilty plea, what...
694
00:32:34,829 --> 00:32:36,640
You know, I'm not going to take
a guilty plea."
695
00:32:36,664 --> 00:32:38,416
And he said, "I... I hear you."
696
00:32:38,625 --> 00:32:40,919
And a close friend of my...
Of the family,
697
00:32:41,127 --> 00:32:44,047
my father's best friend,
comes to the juvenile hall
698
00:32:44,255 --> 00:32:46,507
and says, "You have to...
You have to accept this plea."
699
00:32:46,716 --> 00:32:48,516
I said, "No, I'm not going to
accept anything.
700
00:32:48,593 --> 00:32:50,433
I didn't do anything.
I'm not gonna you know... "
701
00:32:50,511 --> 00:32:52,391
And he says, "Look,"
and he pounds his hand down
702
00:32:52,472 --> 00:32:54,515
on the bench
that we're sitting on,
703
00:32:54,724 --> 00:32:56,809
and he goes, "They are going
to convict you
704
00:32:57,018 --> 00:33:00,313
of first fucking degree murder
unless you plead guilty."
705
00:33:00,521 --> 00:33:04,192
And he's practically crying,
as am I right now.
706
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,819
He goes, "Look, do whatever
you have to do to get home."
707
00:33:07,028 --> 00:33:09,530
You are the law.
708
00:33:09,739 --> 00:33:12,116
The defendant is not guilty.
709
00:33:12,325 --> 00:33:14,661
No man is above the law.
710
00:33:14,869 --> 00:33:18,122
What we see on most TV shows
is not reality.
711
00:33:18,331 --> 00:33:20,667
Our justice system
isn't what you think it is.
712
00:33:20,875 --> 00:33:22,293
Rolling Stone magazine
713
00:33:22,502 --> 00:33:24,462
considers Wayne Kramer
of The MC5
714
00:33:24,671 --> 00:33:27,423
one of the top 100 greatest
guitarists of all time.
715
00:33:27,632 --> 00:33:30,510
He battled drug addiction
and in 1975,
716
00:33:30,718 --> 00:33:33,388
went to prison for two years
for selling cocaine.
717
00:33:33,596 --> 00:33:35,932
He's since provided guitars
and taught music
718
00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:38,726
to inmates at over 50
correctional institutions
719
00:33:38,935 --> 00:33:40,186
throughout the United States.
720
00:33:40,395 --> 00:33:42,230
People think that, you know,
721
00:33:42,438 --> 00:33:44,598
you have a right to a trial
and everybody goes to trial
722
00:33:44,732 --> 00:33:47,610
and there's the good prosecutor
and the defense attorney,
723
00:33:47,819 --> 00:33:48,903
and they battle it out.
724
00:33:49,112 --> 00:33:50,530
That ain't the way it works.
725
00:33:50,738 --> 00:33:52,615
The way it works
is the prosecutors
726
00:33:52,824 --> 00:33:56,119
stack up the charges on you
and force you to plead guilty
727
00:33:56,327 --> 00:33:59,247
to a lesser charge to keep
from doing life
728
00:33:59,455 --> 00:34:01,124
or double life or triple life.
729
00:34:01,332 --> 00:34:04,836
People don't get trials.
What they get is a deal.
730
00:34:05,044 --> 00:34:08,006
People suggest that anywhere
between, you know,
731
00:34:08,214 --> 00:34:12,010
three or 10 and 15%
of people behind bars
732
00:34:12,218 --> 00:34:15,805
could be innocent of the crimes
of which they were charged.
733
00:34:16,014 --> 00:34:18,891
Michelle Alexander
is a civil rights lawyer,
734
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:22,562
Stanford law professor and
the author of The New Jim Crow,
735
00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:24,814
one of the most highly
acclaimed studies
736
00:34:25,023 --> 00:34:26,524
of America's
criminal justice system.
737
00:34:26,733 --> 00:34:29,444
The reality is, is that
thousands of people
738
00:34:29,652 --> 00:34:32,488
every year in the United States
739
00:34:32,697 --> 00:34:36,075
wind up pleading guilty
to crimes
740
00:34:36,284 --> 00:34:37,660
they may not have committed
741
00:34:37,869 --> 00:34:41,664
because they are
either railroaded
742
00:34:41,873 --> 00:34:44,584
by police officers who give them
false information
743
00:34:44,792 --> 00:34:48,421
or coerce confessions
or because they were afraid
744
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:52,592
of facing, you know, harsh
mandatory minimum sentences
745
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,179
and believe that, you know,
their best chance
746
00:34:56,387 --> 00:34:57,722
is to just take a plea.
747
00:34:57,930 --> 00:34:59,182
You're an average Joe.
748
00:34:59,390 --> 00:35:00,892
You don't know anything about,
749
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:02,619
the prison,
the politics in county jail.
750
00:35:02,643 --> 00:35:04,145
You don't know anything.
751
00:35:04,353 --> 00:35:06,064
So they put you there
with these people,
752
00:35:06,272 --> 00:35:08,733
and this is how they force you
to take deals, you know.
753
00:35:08,941 --> 00:35:11,086
You're around people that you
see on the news that are,
754
00:35:11,110 --> 00:35:12,990
"Oh, those are horrible people,
and the same guy
755
00:35:13,154 --> 00:35:14,822
you just saw on the news
is your bunkie.
756
00:35:15,031 --> 00:35:16,657
Of course
you're gonna take a deal.
757
00:35:16,866 --> 00:35:18,677
Get me away from these people.
This is the system.
758
00:35:18,701 --> 00:35:20,369
This is what they do to you.
759
00:35:20,578 --> 00:35:22,458
They understand that
if we put this guy in here,
760
00:35:22,663 --> 00:35:24,383
if you did it or not,
it doesn't even matter
761
00:35:24,457 --> 00:35:26,417
because you're looking
at the end result.
762
00:35:26,626 --> 00:35:29,170
I can't take another fucking day
in this place.
763
00:35:29,378 --> 00:35:32,173
Whatever you say, I'll do.
So just let me out.
764
00:35:32,381 --> 00:35:34,634
Once you're arrested
and charged with a crime,
765
00:35:34,842 --> 00:35:37,178
understand you will be taking
a plea bargain
766
00:35:37,386 --> 00:35:38,888
nine out of 10 times.
767
00:35:39,097 --> 00:35:41,516
You have to.
The system is against you.
768
00:35:41,724 --> 00:35:43,724
The US justice system isn't
like any justice system
769
00:35:43,893 --> 00:35:47,313
in the world,
a system where 95% of the cases
770
00:35:47,522 --> 00:35:48,940
are resolved by plea bargain.
771
00:35:49,148 --> 00:35:50,775
You know,
it's no longer a trial system.
772
00:35:50,983 --> 00:35:52,485
It's a plea bargain system.
773
00:35:52,693 --> 00:35:56,322
If the enormous percentage
of defendants
774
00:35:56,531 --> 00:36:00,243
who plead guilty
suddenly one day said,
775
00:36:00,451 --> 00:36:03,579
"We're not pleading guilty,"
776
00:36:03,788 --> 00:36:06,249
the system
would grind to a halt.
777
00:36:06,457 --> 00:36:08,918
The court system
does not have the capacity
778
00:36:09,127 --> 00:36:10,545
for the current number
of defendants
779
00:36:10,753 --> 00:36:12,130
that are passing through it.
780
00:36:12,338 --> 00:36:13,673
The whole purpose
of plea bargains
781
00:36:13,881 --> 00:36:16,008
from the perspective
of a prosecutor
782
00:36:16,217 --> 00:36:17,301
raises his conviction rate.
783
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:19,303
So prosecutors typically have
784
00:36:19,512 --> 00:36:21,931
in the high-90 percentile
conviction rates,
785
00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:26,686
including those plea bargains
because of course,
786
00:36:26,894 --> 00:36:29,605
from a legal standpoint,
we know that nobody
787
00:36:29,814 --> 00:36:32,567
would ever plead guilty
to something they didn't do.
788
00:36:32,775 --> 00:36:35,194
And so, we agreed
that I would plead guilty
789
00:36:35,403 --> 00:36:37,697
in exchange for
a youth authority sentence.
790
00:36:37,905 --> 00:36:40,616
We went back into trial,
we entered the plea,
791
00:36:40,825 --> 00:36:42,785
and I went down
for a 90-day observation
792
00:36:42,994 --> 00:36:44,954
at the youth authority
in Norwalk.
793
00:36:45,163 --> 00:36:47,790
The challenge is
if you're innocent
794
00:36:47,999 --> 00:36:50,710
and you plead guilty,
you better be a good liar.
795
00:36:50,918 --> 00:36:52,678
You go down there,
you talk to psychologists,
796
00:36:52,879 --> 00:36:54,359
and they ask you,
"So, did you do it?"
797
00:36:54,422 --> 00:36:56,090
Well, you have to say yes
798
00:36:56,299 --> 00:36:57,484
because it has to be
consistent with everything.
799
00:36:57,508 --> 00:36:59,135
"Well, how'd you do it?"
800
00:36:59,343 --> 00:37:01,971
I didn't have adequate answers
for these questions.
801
00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:05,057
So, they didn't buy it,
in a sense.
802
00:37:05,266 --> 00:37:06,767
And, you know, rightly so.
803
00:37:06,976 --> 00:37:09,312
And they sent a report
that was dispositive,
804
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,647
a negative report
back to the judge.
805
00:37:11,856 --> 00:37:13,900
And he said, "I didn't realize
that youth authority
806
00:37:14,108 --> 00:37:16,903
wouldn't be able to help you,
and so I'll allow you
807
00:37:17,111 --> 00:37:19,530
to take back your guilty plea
and go ahead with trial.
808
00:37:19,739 --> 00:37:21,824
Or I'll sentence you
to state prison right now."
809
00:37:22,033 --> 00:37:25,578
So that began
another period of waiting.
810
00:37:25,786 --> 00:37:27,788
It would be well over a year
811
00:37:27,997 --> 00:37:30,291
before Bruce would get
another trial date.
812
00:37:30,499 --> 00:37:33,044
23 hours a day in a cell
in isolation,
813
00:37:33,252 --> 00:37:35,630
no contact with other juveniles,
only counselors,
814
00:37:35,838 --> 00:37:39,383
one hour out for recreation.
815
00:37:39,592 --> 00:37:41,352
And while they might not be
able to introduce
816
00:37:41,552 --> 00:37:44,138
an alternate suspect,
Bruce demanded his lawyer
817
00:37:44,347 --> 00:37:48,935
knock down every argument
the prosecution could make.
818
00:37:49,143 --> 00:37:52,396
The prosecutor said Bruce could
not have seen his mother's body
819
00:37:52,605 --> 00:37:54,315
through the back window
of the house.
820
00:37:54,523 --> 00:37:56,275
The sun's reflection
in the glass
821
00:37:56,484 --> 00:37:58,486
and the furniture
would've blocked his view.
822
00:37:58,694 --> 00:38:00,863
His defense
was the crime scene pictures
823
00:38:01,072 --> 00:38:03,324
were taken
on a much sunnier day.
824
00:38:03,532 --> 00:38:06,118
The prosecution claimed
all the bloody footprints
825
00:38:06,327 --> 00:38:08,788
in the house
matched Bruce's shoes.
826
00:38:08,996 --> 00:38:10,748
Bruce's defense said
his fingerprints
827
00:38:10,957 --> 00:38:12,959
were not found anywhere
in the crime scene.
828
00:38:13,167 --> 00:38:15,670
There was no evidence
that he wiped anything down
829
00:38:15,878 --> 00:38:17,797
or made any attempt
to cover his tracks
830
00:38:18,005 --> 00:38:20,383
because Bruce
had nothing to hide.
831
00:38:20,591 --> 00:38:22,593
The prosecution
called Robert Hughes,
832
00:38:22,802 --> 00:38:25,554
who claimed Bruce confessed
in the 7000 module
833
00:38:25,763 --> 00:38:28,432
of county jail,
and the defense compared
834
00:38:28,641 --> 00:38:31,185
Robert Hughes
to a used car salesman
835
00:38:31,394 --> 00:38:33,104
who wasn't to be trusted.
836
00:38:33,312 --> 00:38:36,315
Then, one day, they rapped
their keys on the door
837
00:38:36,524 --> 00:38:38,818
and they said,
"Lisker, it's a verdict."
838
00:38:39,026 --> 00:38:40,403
And my dad was there.
839
00:38:40,611 --> 00:38:42,029
He was there
just every court day,
840
00:38:42,238 --> 00:38:43,798
and he was right there
in the front row,
841
00:38:43,948 --> 00:38:46,826
and we were just, you know...
Eye contact,
842
00:38:47,034 --> 00:38:49,274
but you can't really talk
because you're not allowed to...
843
00:38:49,328 --> 00:38:50,830
It's not a visit, you know,
844
00:38:51,038 --> 00:38:53,958
you're not allowed to visit
with your...
845
00:38:54,166 --> 00:38:58,671
But he was... he was there,
and the jury comes in
846
00:38:58,879 --> 00:39:01,841
one by one, you know,
excruciatingly slow,
847
00:39:02,049 --> 00:39:05,720
sits down, and the judge speaks.
848
00:39:05,928 --> 00:39:08,097
"Have you reached a verdict?"
"Yes, we have.
849
00:39:08,306 --> 00:39:11,767
In the matter of
People vs. Bruce Lisker,
850
00:39:11,976 --> 00:39:14,395
we the jury find
the defendant..."
851
00:39:14,603 --> 00:39:18,107
and they said "guilty."
852
00:39:18,316 --> 00:39:19,608
And it was just...
853
00:39:22,528 --> 00:39:24,822
The bottom literally fell out
of my world.
854
00:39:25,031 --> 00:39:27,491
That's it.
It's over, isn't it?
855
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:28,951
It's my life.
856
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:37,251
When you've been
falsely accused,
857
00:39:37,460 --> 00:39:40,796
your only hope
is for your attorney
858
00:39:41,005 --> 00:39:44,342
to directly challenge
the veracity of the police.
859
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:46,969
My attorney seemed unwilling
to go that far.
860
00:39:47,178 --> 00:39:48,888
He never outright said,
"Isn't it true
861
00:39:49,096 --> 00:39:50,696
that you're just lying
about all of this?
862
00:39:50,806 --> 00:39:52,641
Here's the investigatory work
that I did
863
00:39:52,850 --> 00:39:54,477
that proves
that you're just a liar."
864
00:39:54,685 --> 00:39:56,604
And he never did that.
865
00:39:56,812 --> 00:39:59,357
And this
is part of a larger problem
866
00:39:59,565 --> 00:40:02,109
that David Sirota
calls the authority bias.
867
00:40:02,318 --> 00:40:04,945
Authority bias meaning
the government, an institution
868
00:40:05,154 --> 00:40:07,448
says somebody did something,
and they must've done it.
869
00:40:07,656 --> 00:40:10,242
And what's strange about it
is that this is a country
870
00:40:10,451 --> 00:40:12,203
that in one way
the American zeitgeist is,
871
00:40:12,411 --> 00:40:14,097
"I don't trust... the government
can't do anything right.
872
00:40:14,121 --> 00:40:15,998
I don't trust anything
the government says."
873
00:40:16,207 --> 00:40:18,584
And yet at another level,
at the very same time
874
00:40:18,793 --> 00:40:21,128
that that's the dominant
rhetorical paradigm
875
00:40:21,337 --> 00:40:25,216
in our politics,
there is this authority bias
876
00:40:25,424 --> 00:40:28,427
where, when the government
accuses somebody of a crime
877
00:40:28,636 --> 00:40:31,889
or says somebody's a wrongdoer,
reflexively, millions
878
00:40:32,098 --> 00:40:34,058
and millions of Americans
think it must be true.
879
00:40:34,266 --> 00:40:35,768
- Am I free to go?
- No, you're not.
880
00:40:35,976 --> 00:40:37,269
Your freedom is secondary.
881
00:40:37,478 --> 00:40:39,021
You're not allowed
to be holding me.
882
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:40,830
Would you like to be placed
under arrest?
883
00:40:40,898 --> 00:40:42,858
You're not allowed to arrest me.
884
00:40:48,322 --> 00:40:52,284
In the 1960s, Yale University
psychologist Stanley Milgram
885
00:40:52,493 --> 00:40:54,954
ran an experiment to see how
often human beings
886
00:40:55,162 --> 00:40:57,498
would obey an authority figure
and follow orders,
887
00:40:57,706 --> 00:40:59,959
even if doing so
ran completely against
888
00:41:00,167 --> 00:41:01,836
their personal code of morality.
889
00:41:02,044 --> 00:41:03,754
How is it possible,
I asked myself,
890
00:41:03,963 --> 00:41:06,549
that ordinary people
who are courteous and decent
891
00:41:06,757 --> 00:41:10,678
in everyday life
can act callously, inhumanely,
892
00:41:10,886 --> 00:41:12,680
without any limitations
of conscious?
893
00:41:12,888 --> 00:41:14,807
450 volts.
894
00:41:15,015 --> 00:41:17,351
In Milgram's experiment,
participants were told
895
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,563
by a scientist in uniform
to electrocute a subject
896
00:41:20,771 --> 00:41:24,483
for each wrong answer on a test
at ever increasing voltages.
897
00:41:24,692 --> 00:41:26,527
Are you all right?
898
00:41:26,735 --> 00:41:28,988
Please continue, teacher.
899
00:41:29,196 --> 00:41:31,657
- Do I keep giving him shocks?
- Continue.
900
00:41:31,866 --> 00:41:33,784
- I'm up to 390.
- Continue, please.
901
00:41:36,162 --> 00:41:39,790
The participants had no idea
the subjects were just actors.
902
00:41:39,999 --> 00:41:41,500
And although many protested,
903
00:41:41,709 --> 00:41:43,711
Milgram found a strong majority,
904
00:41:43,919 --> 00:41:47,548
over 65% of participants
would shock the subject
905
00:41:47,756 --> 00:41:49,300
to the point of killing them
906
00:41:49,508 --> 00:41:52,052
if instructed
by an authority figure.
907
00:41:52,261 --> 00:41:54,638
330 volts.
908
00:41:57,475 --> 00:42:00,060
Let me out of here!
Let me out of here!
909
00:42:00,269 --> 00:42:02,855
My heart's bothering me!
Let me out, I tell you!
910
00:42:03,063 --> 00:42:04,440
Let me out of here!
911
00:42:04,648 --> 00:42:05,983
You have no right
to hold me here!
912
00:42:06,192 --> 00:42:08,569
Let me out! Let me out!
Let me out!
913
00:42:08,777 --> 00:42:10,905
Milgram concluded
that very few people
914
00:42:11,113 --> 00:42:13,699
have the psychological capacity
to resist authority.
915
00:42:13,908 --> 00:42:15,951
The way we have
the system set up,
916
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,371
the policeman's uniform,
gun at their side, the badge,
917
00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:23,000
they're treated with the same
deference as our military.
918
00:42:23,209 --> 00:42:25,753
It's like they're infallible.
919
00:42:25,961 --> 00:42:29,131
With judges, we drape them
in robes like priests
920
00:42:29,340 --> 00:42:31,592
and literally put them up
on a pedestal.
921
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,594
The system hierarchy,
which has almost
922
00:42:33,802 --> 00:42:36,639
no real checks and balances,
no accountability...
923
00:42:36,847 --> 00:42:39,767
Or transparency, is so deeply
entrenched in our culture...
924
00:42:39,975 --> 00:42:42,144
Most people would never
even think to question it.
925
00:42:42,353 --> 00:42:44,188
We never see how flawed it is.
926
00:42:52,780 --> 00:42:56,033
How do we resist
the natural instinct to obey?
927
00:42:56,242 --> 00:42:58,452
Don't blindly trust
authority figures.
928
00:42:58,661 --> 00:43:01,080
If you're given an order
that feels questionable,
929
00:43:01,288 --> 00:43:02,790
check your conscience.
930
00:43:02,998 --> 00:43:05,084
The time to argue
with a police officer
931
00:43:05,292 --> 00:43:07,002
is not the side of the road.
932
00:43:07,211 --> 00:43:09,171
Pick your battles wisely.
933
00:43:09,380 --> 00:43:11,924
If you can challenge authority
934
00:43:12,132 --> 00:43:14,510
without risking more
than you're willing to lose
935
00:43:14,718 --> 00:43:17,221
and something feels wrong,
don't obey.
936
00:43:17,429 --> 00:43:19,056
Don't obey
even the smallest commands
937
00:43:19,265 --> 00:43:20,933
if you feel that they're wrong.
938
00:43:21,141 --> 00:43:22,953
The more that we accept
and obey, the more we become
939
00:43:22,977 --> 00:43:25,521
- blind followers.
- And now you're under control.
940
00:43:25,729 --> 00:43:27,982
In a world
which is absolutely insane.
941
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:30,276
To free ourselves
from this authoritarian system
942
00:43:30,484 --> 00:43:32,069
in which
we've now found ourselves
943
00:43:32,278 --> 00:43:33,821
is going to take
a massive effort.
944
00:43:34,029 --> 00:43:37,616
And if you're afraid, I get it.
Find an ally.
945
00:43:37,825 --> 00:43:39,410
Milgram's e x periment told us
946
00:43:39,618 --> 00:43:41,579
there's is great
psychological power
947
00:43:41,787 --> 00:43:44,748
against authoritarianism
in groups.
948
00:43:48,836 --> 00:43:52,131
Unfortunately, these techniques
are not taught in school.
949
00:43:54,758 --> 00:43:57,039
And so if you're innocent
and you find yourself in prison,
950
00:43:57,094 --> 00:43:59,346
it's hard to have
any hope at all.
951
00:44:02,474 --> 00:44:04,977
A year later, Mike Ryan robbed
952
00:44:05,185 --> 00:44:06,979
another woman at knife point
953
00:44:07,187 --> 00:44:09,732
and was sentenced
to six years for armed robbery.
954
00:44:09,940 --> 00:44:11,692
But other than Bruce
and his father,
955
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:14,361
nobody had connected Mike Ryan
to the murder
956
00:44:14,570 --> 00:44:17,197
besides other inmates
like Jeff Deskovic,
957
00:44:17,406 --> 00:44:20,034
another wrongfully convicted
man trying to prove
958
00:44:20,242 --> 00:44:22,328
his innocence and losing hope.
959
00:44:22,536 --> 00:44:25,331
I remember reading
about Bruce Lisker's case
960
00:44:25,539 --> 00:44:28,167
in the magazine Justice Denied.
961
00:44:28,375 --> 00:44:29,918
They allow people who allege
962
00:44:30,127 --> 00:44:31,837
that they've been
wrongfully convicted
963
00:44:32,046 --> 00:44:35,591
who have a plausible story
to write about their case
964
00:44:35,799 --> 00:44:38,093
with the hope that more
public attention will come.
965
00:44:38,302 --> 00:44:41,722
When I read about Bruce's case,
it was reaffirming to me
966
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:44,516
that I was on the right path
967
00:44:44,725 --> 00:44:48,020
because even though
he hadn't been e x onerated,
968
00:44:48,228 --> 00:44:51,607
he was still looking for help,
he hadn't given up.
969
00:44:51,815 --> 00:44:55,361
You can't give up,
no matter how long it takes.
970
00:44:55,569 --> 00:44:58,030
And it could take a long time.
971
00:44:58,238 --> 00:44:59,798
One of the biggest factors
in why the US
972
00:44:59,990 --> 00:45:02,493
has the largest prison
population in the world
973
00:45:02,701 --> 00:45:05,037
is the length
of our prison sentences.
974
00:45:05,245 --> 00:45:08,540
The average sentence
for burglary in Canada
975
00:45:08,749 --> 00:45:10,793
and in England
is around six months.
976
00:45:11,001 --> 00:45:14,880
In the US,
it's around a year and a half.
977
00:45:15,089 --> 00:45:17,966
In other developed countries,
a drug offense might land you
978
00:45:18,175 --> 00:45:20,469
a year, year and a half in jail.
979
00:45:20,678 --> 00:45:23,722
In the US,
it's five to ten years or more.
980
00:45:23,931 --> 00:45:25,516
If you're a black man
in America,
981
00:45:25,724 --> 00:45:28,435
your sentence will be 20% longer
982
00:45:28,644 --> 00:45:31,897
than if you're a white man
for the exact same crime.
983
00:45:32,106 --> 00:45:35,359
The federal law still
holds marijuana
984
00:45:35,567 --> 00:45:39,613
as equal to heroin,
which is unfathomable.
985
00:45:39,822 --> 00:45:42,032
These bullshit laws that are old
986
00:45:42,241 --> 00:45:45,744
and prehistoric
needs to be changed.
987
00:45:45,953 --> 00:45:48,497
I met a woman that
had a first offense,
988
00:45:48,706 --> 00:45:52,960
nothing more than $5 worth
of crack cocaine
989
00:45:53,168 --> 00:45:55,879
and was sentenced to jail
in 1979
990
00:45:56,088 --> 00:45:59,675
and didn't come home until 2014.
991
00:45:59,883 --> 00:46:01,719
And she said to me,
992
00:46:01,927 --> 00:46:04,221
"I don't know how
to use no phone.
993
00:46:09,435 --> 00:46:13,772
I don't know how to send a text.
I don't know how to email."
994
00:46:19,278 --> 00:46:20,863
I'm sorry.
995
00:46:24,533 --> 00:46:26,326
High incarceration rates
996
00:46:26,535 --> 00:46:29,163
and longer than necessary
prison terms
997
00:46:29,371 --> 00:46:31,415
have not played
a significant role
998
00:46:31,623 --> 00:46:34,126
in materially improving
public safety,
999
00:46:34,334 --> 00:46:37,212
reducing crime,
or strengthening communities.
1000
00:46:37,421 --> 00:46:39,923
In fact,
the opposite is often true.
1001
00:46:40,132 --> 00:46:41,675
And as it turns out,
1002
00:46:41,884 --> 00:46:43,802
we've known this
for a long time.
1003
00:46:44,011 --> 00:46:46,889
In the 1970s,
criminologists had developed
1004
00:46:47,097 --> 00:46:50,517
this consensus that, you know,
prisons just didn't work.
1005
00:46:50,726 --> 00:46:54,062
But this consensus
was interrupted
1006
00:46:54,271 --> 00:46:57,816
by a political movement,
racial anxiety,
1007
00:46:58,025 --> 00:47:01,278
racial resentment, and also
to capitalize on, you know,
1008
00:47:01,487 --> 00:47:04,239
growing public fear as crime
rates were beginning to rise.
1009
00:47:04,448 --> 00:47:06,283
And, you know,
as politicians found
1010
00:47:06,492 --> 00:47:08,869
that this get-tough rhetoric,
you know, sold well
1011
00:47:09,077 --> 00:47:11,163
to the public,
all of the research and studies
1012
00:47:11,371 --> 00:47:13,165
that suggested that prisons
didn't work
1013
00:47:13,373 --> 00:47:15,375
were shoved lightly to the side,
1014
00:47:15,584 --> 00:47:17,377
and we went on
a prison-building boom
1015
00:47:17,586 --> 00:47:20,047
unlike anything the world
had ever seen before.
1016
00:47:20,255 --> 00:47:22,716
And this was compounded
by the war on drugs.
1017
00:47:22,925 --> 00:47:24,802
The drug war was born
1018
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:28,347
with a particular group
of people in mind as the enemy.
1019
00:47:28,555 --> 00:47:30,891
We must wage what I have called
total war
1020
00:47:31,099 --> 00:47:34,520
against public enemy number one,
the problem of dangerous drugs.
1021
00:47:34,728 --> 00:47:37,689
Poor people, particularly,
black people
1022
00:47:37,898 --> 00:47:40,484
were defined as the enemy
in the war on drugs.
1023
00:47:40,692 --> 00:47:42,528
They were defined
that way politically
1024
00:47:42,736 --> 00:47:44,530
but also through media imagery.
1025
00:47:44,738 --> 00:47:46,740
The nation's
crack cocaine epidemic
1026
00:47:46,949 --> 00:47:48,617
is taking
a new and dangerous turn.
1027
00:47:48,826 --> 00:47:51,370
White people,
brown people, and black people
1028
00:47:51,578 --> 00:47:55,916
all use drugs
and sell drugs at the same rate.
1029
00:47:56,124 --> 00:47:59,253
But if we look at who's serving
time in America's prisons...
1030
00:47:59,461 --> 00:48:01,338
The law enforcement apparatus
1031
00:48:01,547 --> 00:48:04,258
is deployed disproportionately
against people of color.
1032
00:48:04,466 --> 00:48:06,093
Oh, look at that.
1033
00:48:06,301 --> 00:48:09,221
And the war on drugs also bears
a major responsibility
1034
00:48:09,429 --> 00:48:11,723
for racial bias
in our prison system
1035
00:48:11,932 --> 00:48:14,476
as African-Americans
are arrested for drug offenses
1036
00:48:14,685 --> 00:48:18,355
at 10 times the rate of whites
and serve longer sentences.
1037
00:48:18,564 --> 00:48:22,025
Although people of color make
up only 30% of our populations,
1038
00:48:22,234 --> 00:48:24,444
they make up 60% of our prisons.
1039
00:48:24,653 --> 00:48:26,488
By the most
conservative estimates,
1040
00:48:26,697 --> 00:48:28,949
if we keep going
the way we're going,
1041
00:48:29,157 --> 00:48:31,326
one in four black men born today
will go to jail
1042
00:48:31,535 --> 00:48:33,161
at some point in their lifetime.
1043
00:48:33,370 --> 00:48:36,707
An estimated 5.3
million Americans are denied
1044
00:48:36,915 --> 00:48:40,252
the right to vote based
on a past felony conviction.
1045
00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:43,547
And that impacts men of color
more than anyone else.
1046
00:48:43,755 --> 00:48:46,174
This has got to change.
1047
00:48:46,383 --> 00:48:49,928
You know, with any war,
there is some collateral damage,
1048
00:48:50,137 --> 00:48:52,472
and although white people
may not have been
1049
00:48:52,681 --> 00:48:55,559
the original targets,
they may not have been
1050
00:48:55,767 --> 00:48:58,937
the inspiration for the war,
1051
00:48:59,146 --> 00:49:02,441
many white people,
particularly poor
1052
00:49:02,649 --> 00:49:06,737
and working-class white folks,
have found themselves swept in.
1053
00:49:06,945 --> 00:49:09,531
I'm very patriotic.
Love my country.
1054
00:49:09,740 --> 00:49:11,060
Not real happy
with my government,
1055
00:49:11,241 --> 00:49:12,743
but I love my country.
1056
00:49:12,951 --> 00:49:14,703
Paul Rickett
is a US Army veteran
1057
00:49:14,912 --> 00:49:16,705
who served in the Gulf War.
1058
00:49:16,914 --> 00:49:21,418
I was out like about three weeks
when I got busted for LSD.
1059
00:49:21,627 --> 00:49:23,795
I never sold acid.
I never made a dime off of acid.
1060
00:49:24,004 --> 00:49:25,881
I took acid on the weekends.
1061
00:49:26,089 --> 00:49:28,300
I reimbursed my buddy
for what he paid for it
1062
00:49:28,508 --> 00:49:30,636
so that he wasn't giving it
to me for free.
1063
00:49:30,844 --> 00:49:32,596
If you want to call
that trafficking,
1064
00:49:32,804 --> 00:49:35,682
then I guess I'm a trafficker,
But it was personal use.
1065
00:49:35,891 --> 00:49:37,351
We would just fry
and play Frisbee
1066
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:39,019
and listen to rock 'n' roll.
1067
00:49:39,227 --> 00:49:41,188
Drug offenses
are another major reason
1068
00:49:41,396 --> 00:49:44,191
for America's overflowing
prison population.
1069
00:49:44,399 --> 00:49:46,526
The US locks up more people
for drugs
1070
00:49:46,735 --> 00:49:48,654
than any other country
on the planet.
1071
00:49:48,862 --> 00:49:51,490
There are over
half a million Americans
1072
00:49:51,698 --> 00:49:53,825
locked up for drugs
on any given day,
1073
00:49:54,034 --> 00:49:55,702
and Paul was one of them.
1074
00:49:55,911 --> 00:49:57,454
He was facing a lot of time.
1075
00:49:57,663 --> 00:49:59,164
Facing 10-year
mandatory minimum.
1076
00:49:59,373 --> 00:50:00,874
Then they offered him a deal.
1077
00:50:01,083 --> 00:50:02,560
For not forcing the government
to go through
1078
00:50:02,584 --> 00:50:04,127
the time and expense of trial.
1079
00:50:04,336 --> 00:50:06,588
All he had to do
was plead guilty.
1080
00:50:06,797 --> 00:50:10,175
And after some painful
consideration, I took it.
1081
00:50:10,384 --> 00:50:12,552
And after all those years
in prison,
1082
00:50:12,761 --> 00:50:14,388
one thing bothered Paul
the most.
1083
00:50:14,596 --> 00:50:16,282
You know, here we are
in this modern society
1084
00:50:16,306 --> 00:50:17,808
where we're a melting pot
1085
00:50:18,016 --> 00:50:20,102
and everybody's
getting along for the most part.
1086
00:50:20,310 --> 00:50:21,812
And then in prison, you know,
1087
00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:23,289
it's completely the opposite,
you know.
1088
00:50:23,313 --> 00:50:24,773
As soon as you get in there,
1089
00:50:24,982 --> 00:50:26,650
if you weren't a racist
when you went in,
1090
00:50:26,858 --> 00:50:28,778
they require you to be one
as soon as you get in.
1091
00:50:28,902 --> 00:50:30,862
Every single jail
and prison in America,
1092
00:50:31,071 --> 00:50:34,199
every one I've ever been to,
it's all divided up by race.
1093
00:50:34,408 --> 00:50:36,201
Everything's segregated
in there.
1094
00:50:36,410 --> 00:50:38,996
You have the white phone,
and you have the Mexican phone,
1095
00:50:39,204 --> 00:50:41,540
and you have the black phone,
and you have the Asian phone.
1096
00:50:41,748 --> 00:50:44,209
It seems the racism that
helped spark the e x plosion
1097
00:50:44,418 --> 00:50:46,420
of America's prison system
1098
00:50:46,628 --> 00:50:49,131
still burns like a raging fire
within its walls
1099
00:50:49,339 --> 00:50:51,633
shamefully hidden
from the public eye.
1100
00:50:51,842 --> 00:50:54,553
It was a very strict code of,
1101
00:50:54,761 --> 00:50:56,972
depending on your race,
this is what we do.
1102
00:50:57,180 --> 00:51:01,727
Even the prison guards
promote this.
1103
00:51:01,935 --> 00:51:05,147
Some people theorize
that it's a way for the guards
1104
00:51:05,355 --> 00:51:08,900
to keep control over us
because if we all got along,
1105
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:12,154
then who would really
be running the prison?
1106
00:51:12,362 --> 00:51:13,822
Us or the guards?
1107
00:51:14,031 --> 00:51:15,471
There's one guard
for every 100 guys.
1108
00:51:15,657 --> 00:51:17,576
Prison society
is further divided
1109
00:51:17,784 --> 00:51:19,578
from race into gangs.
1110
00:51:19,786 --> 00:51:21,747
So it helps to either be in one
1111
00:51:21,955 --> 00:51:23,665
or be from
the right neighborhood.
1112
00:51:23,874 --> 00:51:26,001
On my ride to prison,
the guy that was ne x t to me,
1113
00:51:26,209 --> 00:51:28,211
he was just a regular dude
from Long Beach.
1114
00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:30,020
He played basketball
at Poly high school.
1115
00:51:30,213 --> 00:51:31,774
He was a regular dude.
He had a flat top.
1116
00:51:31,798 --> 00:51:33,550
You know what I mean,
and, you know,
1117
00:51:33,759 --> 00:51:37,137
he was going to prison for...
He had took a deal for...
1118
00:51:37,345 --> 00:51:39,681
I believe
it was like spousal abuse.
1119
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:41,650
Him and his girl...
It was a terrorist threat.
1120
00:51:41,767 --> 00:51:44,186
In the United States,
a terrorist threat
1121
00:51:44,394 --> 00:51:46,480
covers any statement
that contains
1122
00:51:46,688 --> 00:51:48,857
the threat of violence
against another person.
1123
00:51:49,066 --> 00:51:51,651
In this case, Reggie is talking
about an argument a man
1124
00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:54,020
was having with his girlfriend
where he threatened her.
1125
00:51:54,112 --> 00:51:55,739
He told her he was gonna
beat her ass
1126
00:51:55,947 --> 00:51:57,592
or whatever it was,
it was a terrorist threat.
1127
00:51:57,616 --> 00:51:59,135
There was no physical violence
or anything,
1128
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:00,869
but he took a deal
for 18 months,
1129
00:52:01,078 --> 00:52:02,998
and he was only supposed
to do like eight months.
1130
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,415
You take a deal for 18 months,
you're gonna do five or 10.
1131
00:52:05,624 --> 00:52:07,084
So he fell for the bullshit.
1132
00:52:07,292 --> 00:52:08,627
The first night we got there,
1133
00:52:08,835 --> 00:52:10,212
they ask who's
from South Central.
1134
00:52:10,420 --> 00:52:12,255
I'm from South Central.
Where you from?
1135
00:52:12,464 --> 00:52:14,650
Explain to them where I'm from.
Your homeboys are over here.
1136
00:52:14,674 --> 00:52:16,754
They're gonna direct you
where you're supposed to go.
1137
00:52:16,885 --> 00:52:18,553
This guy,
he didn't have anybody.
1138
00:52:18,762 --> 00:52:20,347
He was just from Long Beach,
you know?
1139
00:52:20,555 --> 00:52:22,766
He just was a regular dude,
you know?
1140
00:52:22,974 --> 00:52:25,185
And that night I'm on my bunk,
1141
00:52:25,393 --> 00:52:27,354
and I'm listening
to what's going on and I'm...
1142
00:52:27,562 --> 00:52:29,106
At first,
I thought they were playing
1143
00:52:29,314 --> 00:52:30,583
because that's what
it started off
1144
00:52:30,607 --> 00:52:32,234
was this is the whole gimmick.
1145
00:52:32,442 --> 00:52:35,195
Everything is a ploy
to lead to something else.
1146
00:52:35,403 --> 00:52:37,239
That's why they
tell you don't let anybody
1147
00:52:37,447 --> 00:52:39,127
touch you in jail,
and he didn't know this.
1148
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:40,843
He didn't understand
that you're not supposed
1149
00:52:40,867 --> 00:52:42,267
to wrestle with somebody
in the cell
1150
00:52:42,369 --> 00:52:44,246
because this is what
they're doing,
1151
00:52:44,454 --> 00:52:46,735
trying to see if they can get
you in a vulnerable position
1152
00:52:46,873 --> 00:52:48,458
I'm on my bunk,
and I'm listening to it,
1153
00:52:48,667 --> 00:52:50,377
and I'm thinking, damn,
ain't somebody
1154
00:52:50,585 --> 00:52:52,796
gonna come help this dude?
1155
00:52:53,004 --> 00:52:54,548
I mean, and they didn't.
1156
00:52:54,756 --> 00:52:58,135
That night in his cell,
they raped him.
1157
00:52:58,343 --> 00:53:00,971
According
to the Department of Justice,
1158
00:53:01,179 --> 00:53:04,057
nearly one in 10 prisoners
suffer sexual abuse
1159
00:53:04,266 --> 00:53:06,476
while in American jails
and prisons.
1160
00:53:06,685 --> 00:53:09,146
A quarter of those
also reported serious injury
1161
00:53:09,354 --> 00:53:12,732
like chipped or lost teeth,
being knocked unconscious,
1162
00:53:12,941 --> 00:53:15,193
broken bones, or worse.
1163
00:53:15,402 --> 00:53:18,238
So let's keep that in mind
the next time a talk show host,
1164
00:53:18,446 --> 00:53:20,657
a government official,
or anybody
1165
00:53:20,866 --> 00:53:22,993
makes a joke about prison rape.
1166
00:53:23,201 --> 00:53:25,287
The fact that we find
these jokes acceptable
1167
00:53:25,495 --> 00:53:28,415
shows just how far we've gone
in normalizing rape
1168
00:53:28,623 --> 00:53:31,042
as a just punishment
for any offense.
1169
00:53:31,251 --> 00:53:33,712
As long as we keep imagining
that people in prison
1170
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,047
are subhuman,
that they're predatory
1171
00:53:36,256 --> 00:53:38,091
and incorrigible
and nothing like you and me,
1172
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:41,011
why would we lose any sleep
about what their lives are like
1173
00:53:41,219 --> 00:53:42,512
or what's happening to them?
1174
00:53:42,721 --> 00:53:45,432
There are now over 5,000 jails
1175
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,267
and prisons
in the United States,
1176
00:53:47,475 --> 00:53:50,896
more than we have colleges
and universities.
1177
00:53:51,104 --> 00:53:53,523
In many parts of America,
particularly the South,
1178
00:53:53,732 --> 00:53:55,942
there are more people
living in prisons
1179
00:53:56,151 --> 00:53:57,861
then on college campuses
1180
00:53:58,069 --> 00:54:01,323
and a multi-billion-dollar
business has emerged.
1181
00:54:03,241 --> 00:54:05,035
Brace yourself.
1182
00:54:05,243 --> 00:54:08,079
This is going to sound
too barbaric to be real,
1183
00:54:08,288 --> 00:54:12,334
like medieval times,
a science-fiction horror film,
1184
00:54:12,542 --> 00:54:14,669
or a French historical musical.
1185
00:54:14,878 --> 00:54:17,088
The 13th amendment
of the Constitution
1186
00:54:17,297 --> 00:54:20,050
outlawed slavery,
but it still allows
1187
00:54:20,258 --> 00:54:23,470
for forced labor
if you're in prison.
1188
00:54:23,678 --> 00:54:26,932
Today, there are roughly
1 million American prisoners
1189
00:54:27,140 --> 00:54:30,518
working for corporations
and in government industries.
1190
00:54:30,727 --> 00:54:32,646
There is no minimum wage,
1191
00:54:32,854 --> 00:54:35,315
so you could make as little
as a few cents an hour.
1192
00:54:35,523 --> 00:54:37,776
Bruce worked
in the kitchen for years
1193
00:54:37,984 --> 00:54:41,321
then in clerical jobs making
a ma x imum of 32 cents an hour.
1194
00:54:41,529 --> 00:54:45,200
It sounds like another time
or a Coen Brothers movie
1195
00:54:45,408 --> 00:54:47,160
but it's happening right now.
1196
00:54:47,369 --> 00:54:50,413
There are no benefits,
no organizing, and no strikes.
1197
00:54:50,622 --> 00:54:54,125
And if you refuse to work,
you can get put in the hole.
1198
00:54:57,128 --> 00:55:00,632
This is big business for state
and for-profit prisons
1199
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,053
who sell inmate labor
to Fortune 500's like Chevron,
1200
00:55:05,262 --> 00:55:09,182
Bank of America, AT&T,
and the US military.
1201
00:55:09,391 --> 00:55:11,893
Nearly half the population
in prison
1202
00:55:12,102 --> 00:55:14,980
make military uniforms,
body armor, helmets,
1203
00:55:15,188 --> 00:55:17,440
and provide labor
as subcontractors
1204
00:55:17,649 --> 00:55:19,484
for Fortune 500s.
1205
00:55:22,529 --> 00:55:25,699
They make office furniture,
man call centers,
1206
00:55:25,907 --> 00:55:28,994
take hotel reservations,
work in slaughterhouses.
1207
00:55:29,202 --> 00:55:34,082
Or manufacture textiles, shoes,
and clothing for pennies.
1208
00:55:34,291 --> 00:55:37,127
Prison labor
is part of why some state
1209
00:55:37,335 --> 00:55:40,880
and private prisons yield
a multibillion-dollar profit.
1210
00:55:42,924 --> 00:55:45,385
Not only are prisoners
used to make products,
1211
00:55:45,593 --> 00:55:48,263
prisoners themselves
are sold as products.
1212
00:55:48,471 --> 00:55:50,140
Since the 1980s,
1213
00:55:50,348 --> 00:55:52,267
the prison population
has boomed.
1214
00:55:52,475 --> 00:55:56,229
Now, 150 private prisons
are paid billions
1215
00:55:56,438 --> 00:55:58,398
by state governments
to house prisoners.
1216
00:55:58,606 --> 00:56:01,651
Private prisons do so well,
some of their biggest investors
1217
00:56:01,860 --> 00:56:05,322
are banks like Wells Fargo
or Bank of America.
1218
00:56:05,530 --> 00:56:10,368
Many private prisons demand
90 or even 100% occupancy,
1219
00:56:10,577 --> 00:56:13,788
meaning the taxpayer
foots the bill for every bed,
1220
00:56:13,997 --> 00:56:15,582
even the fucking empty ones.
1221
00:56:15,790 --> 00:56:18,960
For-profit prisons
are incentivized
1222
00:56:19,169 --> 00:56:22,172
to incarcerate more people
and for longer periods of time
1223
00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:25,258
to fill their quotas,
and to make sure that happens,
1224
00:56:25,467 --> 00:56:28,928
they spend millions pushing
tough-on-crime bills.
1225
00:56:29,137 --> 00:56:31,890
Today, nearly 10%
of America's prisoners
1226
00:56:32,098 --> 00:56:33,892
are held in private prisons.
1227
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:37,896
They also spend millions
influencing immigration law.
1228
00:56:38,104 --> 00:56:40,690
Half of detained immigrants
are held in private prisons
1229
00:56:40,899 --> 00:56:43,693
for indefinite periods of time,
often years,
1230
00:56:43,902 --> 00:56:45,653
exposed to brutal conditions.
1231
00:56:45,862 --> 00:56:47,322
And because
they're not Americans,
1232
00:56:47,530 --> 00:56:49,449
the government
gives them no right
1233
00:56:49,657 --> 00:56:53,453
to even the most basic legal
representation or medical care.
1234
00:56:53,661 --> 00:56:56,373
The prisons
are private companies.
1235
00:56:56,581 --> 00:57:01,961
Why would they want
to decrease violence, okay?
1236
00:57:02,170 --> 00:57:03,588
Why would they want to improve
1237
00:57:03,797 --> 00:57:06,633
the quality of life
of these people?
1238
00:57:06,841 --> 00:57:09,386
And then we call it justice,
okay?
1239
00:57:09,594 --> 00:57:12,347
It's blood money.
It's bad karma.
1240
00:57:12,555 --> 00:57:15,183
It's going to come back
and haunt us
1241
00:57:15,392 --> 00:57:17,602
to the point of extinction.
1242
00:57:17,811 --> 00:57:20,188
Three housing facilities
were set on fire.
1243
00:57:20,397 --> 00:57:22,732
It apparently all started
over inmate frustration
1244
00:57:22,941 --> 00:57:24,692
over the quality
of medical care.
1245
00:57:24,901 --> 00:57:26,152
Perhaps needless to say,
1246
00:57:26,361 --> 00:57:28,113
being treated like chattel
1247
00:57:28,321 --> 00:57:30,073
and used as forced labor
for pennies an hour
1248
00:57:30,281 --> 00:57:32,450
is not that popular
on the inside,
1249
00:57:32,659 --> 00:57:34,619
but that's not the worst of it.
1250
00:57:34,828 --> 00:57:36,329
The socks
they issue you are used.
1251
00:57:36,538 --> 00:57:38,832
The underwear
they issue you is used.
1252
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,334
You gotta buy things
like shaving equipment
1253
00:57:41,543 --> 00:57:45,547
and food and sweats and socks,
underwear, T-shirts.
1254
00:57:45,755 --> 00:57:48,842
The canteen, or commissary,
is more expensive
1255
00:57:49,050 --> 00:57:51,010
than any convenience store
on the outside.
1256
00:57:51,219 --> 00:57:53,096
It's definitely advisable
to have money
1257
00:57:53,304 --> 00:57:54,639
so that you can get started.
1258
00:57:54,848 --> 00:57:56,641
If you don't have 50
to 100 bucks
1259
00:57:56,850 --> 00:57:58,850
coming into your books
or your account every month,
1260
00:57:59,018 --> 00:58:00,603
then you're gonna need a hustle.
1261
00:58:03,481 --> 00:58:05,775
This is Philip.
He was convicted of robbery.
1262
00:58:05,984 --> 00:58:09,279
As crooked as we are out here,
1263
00:58:09,487 --> 00:58:10,989
we're as crooked
inside there, too.
1264
00:58:11,197 --> 00:58:13,867
Whether it's drugs,
whether it's alcohol.
1265
00:58:14,075 --> 00:58:15,577
You got people
that they don't drink,
1266
00:58:15,785 --> 00:58:18,163
but they manufacture
prune-o all day.
1267
00:58:18,371 --> 00:58:19,873
In San Quentin
1268
00:58:20,081 --> 00:58:21,749
in the boiler room,
they found a still.
1269
00:58:21,958 --> 00:58:23,793
Friends that I knew
had actually gotten so far
1270
00:58:24,002 --> 00:58:25,920
as to, like,
get the copper tubing
1271
00:58:26,129 --> 00:58:28,923
from industries over,
and so we had copper tubing.
1272
00:58:29,132 --> 00:58:31,759
They were making
moonshine in San Quentin.
1273
00:58:31,968 --> 00:58:33,303
Mainly they drank it.
1274
00:58:33,511 --> 00:58:35,930
Did I have a hustle?
Sold drugs.
1275
00:58:36,139 --> 00:58:38,099
Through our visits
through a correctional officer.
1276
00:58:38,308 --> 00:58:41,311
Prison is like a networking
college for criminals.
1277
00:58:41,519 --> 00:58:43,563
The majority
of the guys in prison are there
1278
00:58:43,771 --> 00:58:45,607
trying to learn
how to do crime better.
1279
00:58:45,815 --> 00:58:48,026
This is just kind of a school
1280
00:58:48,234 --> 00:58:50,945
for criminals
to learn more to be criminals.
1281
00:58:51,154 --> 00:58:52,739
And that's not an exaggeration.
1282
00:58:52,947 --> 00:58:55,617
A 2011 study
from Ohio University
1283
00:58:55,825 --> 00:58:59,120
showed that after
spending time in prison,
1284
00:58:59,329 --> 00:59:01,956
those continuing to engage
in crime
1285
00:59:02,165 --> 00:59:04,667
see their criminal earnings
increase
1286
00:59:04,876 --> 00:59:08,713
on an average by $11,000 a year.
1287
00:59:08,922 --> 00:59:11,424
Jody Lewen
is the executive director
1288
00:59:11,633 --> 00:59:13,426
of the Prison University
Project.
1289
00:59:13,635 --> 00:59:15,929
There are thousands
and thousands of people
1290
00:59:16,137 --> 00:59:17,472
in the system.
1291
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,349
All they want is the opportunity
1292
00:59:19,557 --> 00:59:21,935
to get a good education
and to be hired by somebody
1293
00:59:22,143 --> 00:59:25,104
where they can have a job
where they have meaningful work
1294
00:59:25,313 --> 00:59:26,481
and a livable wage.
1295
00:59:26,689 --> 00:59:28,566
In the late '80s, early '90s.
1296
00:59:28,775 --> 00:59:32,529
There were probably 350 programs
in the prison system nationwide.
1297
00:59:32,737 --> 00:59:34,364
I took my dad's advice,
he'd been saying
1298
00:59:34,572 --> 00:59:36,175
for a long time, "Look
for some computer training.
1299
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:37,635
Is there any computer training
in there?"
1300
00:59:37,659 --> 00:59:39,035
Because he knows, you know?
1301
00:59:39,244 --> 00:59:40,787
Finally,
when I get to San Quentin,
1302
00:59:40,995 --> 00:59:42,715
I said, "Do you have
any computer training?"
1303
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:45,875
It was great because I mean,
1304
00:59:46,084 --> 00:59:48,211
those who know the least
obey the best, you know?
1305
00:59:48,419 --> 00:59:50,713
And there's this rebellious
kind of a spirit in there.
1306
00:59:50,922 --> 00:59:53,675
They have you under their thumb
up and to the point
1307
00:59:53,883 --> 00:59:56,678
of being able to put a bullet
in your head if they wanted to.
1308
00:59:56,886 --> 00:59:59,097
Stand still and be quiet.
Face that wall right now.
1309
00:59:59,305 --> 01:00:01,975
So there's this rebelliousness.
I could exercise my brain.
1310
01:00:02,183 --> 01:00:03,851
They can't stop me
from doing that.
1311
01:00:04,060 --> 01:00:06,437
And so we really got this pride
about our education,
1312
01:00:06,646 --> 01:00:08,499
particularly in
that computer programming class,
1313
01:00:08,523 --> 01:00:11,526
and it was an honor
to be able to fight the system,
1314
01:00:11,734 --> 01:00:16,781
as you might say,
by educating each other.
1315
01:00:16,990 --> 01:00:20,201
And then seeing me graduate
that eight years later,
1316
01:00:20,410 --> 01:00:21,744
my dad was really proud of me.
1317
01:00:21,953 --> 01:00:23,746
And our relationship
just blossomed,
1318
01:00:23,955 --> 01:00:27,375
just became
so deep and so meaningful.
1319
01:00:27,584 --> 01:00:30,253
My dad was everything to me.
1320
01:00:30,461 --> 01:00:33,172
And it was just about two weeks
after I graduated
1321
01:00:33,381 --> 01:00:34,924
that he died.
1322
01:00:43,224 --> 01:00:44,559
Sorry.
1323
01:00:44,767 --> 01:00:48,062
? Oh, let us stay
1324
01:00:48,271 --> 01:00:50,690
? Stay true
1325
01:00:50,898 --> 01:00:54,110
? May we love and listen
1326
01:00:54,319 --> 01:00:57,238
? And hear our hearts sing
1327
01:00:57,447 --> 01:01:00,158
? And keep on giving
1328
01:01:00,366 --> 01:01:05,121
? And may we stay true,
let us stay...
1329
01:01:05,330 --> 01:01:09,000
When I sign this crime bill,
we together
1330
01:01:09,208 --> 01:01:13,129
are taking a big step toward
bringing the laws of our land
1331
01:01:13,338 --> 01:01:16,132
back into line
with the values of our people.
1332
01:01:16,341 --> 01:01:19,469
In 1994, Congress passed
the Violent Crime Control
1333
01:01:19,677 --> 01:01:22,388
and Law Enforcement Act,
which, among many other things,
1334
01:01:22,597 --> 01:01:24,849
barred people in prison
from receiving Pell grants.
1335
01:01:25,058 --> 01:01:27,518
Most of those programs folded
almost overnight.
1336
01:01:27,727 --> 01:01:29,812
To be realistic, I mean,
unless you're getting
1337
01:01:30,021 --> 01:01:31,481
a college education in here,
1338
01:01:31,689 --> 01:01:33,524
it's probably not gonna
help you too much.
1339
01:01:33,733 --> 01:01:35,735
But if they have skills
such as welding...
1340
01:01:35,943 --> 01:01:38,613
Welding, on this yard
is just phenomenal.
1341
01:01:38,821 --> 01:01:40,823
We've seen guys go through
the welding program,
1342
01:01:41,032 --> 01:01:44,369
and they're making 30, $40
an hour out there on the streets
1343
01:01:44,577 --> 01:01:47,288
and they're writing letters back
to the instructor over here.
1344
01:01:47,497 --> 01:01:49,666
Those are the things
that these guys need.
1345
01:01:49,874 --> 01:01:52,377
They need jobs
so they won't be robbing,
1346
01:01:52,585 --> 01:01:54,545
stealing, turning to the dope,
you know,
1347
01:01:54,754 --> 01:01:56,881
doing the drugs
and that type of thing.
1348
01:01:57,090 --> 01:01:59,217
So, that's...
That's what I would change.
1349
01:01:59,425 --> 01:02:01,469
Critical reason number one
why people
1350
01:02:01,678 --> 01:02:04,305
are ending up in prison
is for lack of, really,
1351
01:02:04,514 --> 01:02:06,224
quality educational opportunity.
1352
01:02:06,432 --> 01:02:08,601
Since 1970,
in the state of California,
1353
01:02:08,810 --> 01:02:11,562
we've built 22 prisons
and one university.
1354
01:02:11,771 --> 01:02:14,232
We literally have more faith
in punishing people
1355
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,360
and controlling them violently
than teaching them.
1356
01:02:17,568 --> 01:02:21,239
Let's imagine a parent
who raised a child like that.
1357
01:02:21,447 --> 01:02:24,283
What would we say about them?
What would we think of them?
1358
01:02:24,492 --> 01:02:27,745
We'd think of them as the most
unfit parent imaginable.
1359
01:02:27,954 --> 01:02:30,081
Ironically,
we might even call the police.
1360
01:02:33,251 --> 01:02:34,627
By not having an education,
1361
01:02:34,836 --> 01:02:36,587
by not having programs,
1362
01:02:36,796 --> 01:02:39,132
by not having positive things
for the guys to do.
1363
01:02:39,340 --> 01:02:41,759
It's really about terror
and intimidation
1364
01:02:41,968 --> 01:02:44,178
and people basically
fighting for survival
1365
01:02:44,387 --> 01:02:46,067
and often committing
extraordinary violence
1366
01:02:46,264 --> 01:02:48,516
in order to protect themselves
or to stay safe.
1367
01:02:48,725 --> 01:02:51,018
It's kind of like
the weak dog in the pack.
1368
01:02:51,227 --> 01:02:54,230
If others spot weakness,
they're gonna pounce on you
1369
01:02:54,439 --> 01:02:56,065
for a couple of reasons.
1370
01:02:56,274 --> 01:02:57,608
You pounce on that guy,
1371
01:02:57,817 --> 01:02:59,527
that gives you
a little more status.
1372
01:02:59,736 --> 01:03:02,989
So, I had to ask myself,
are you gonna be a victim?
1373
01:03:03,197 --> 01:03:05,116
No, I ain't gonna be a victim.
1374
01:03:05,324 --> 01:03:08,244
Well, that really only left me
one choice in my mind.
1375
01:03:08,453 --> 01:03:10,496
That means I gotta be
the victimizer.
1376
01:03:19,797 --> 01:03:24,385
At some point, for some reason,
might be legitimate,
1377
01:03:24,594 --> 01:03:26,429
might not be,
someone's gonna test you.
1378
01:03:32,310 --> 01:03:35,062
Even if you lose, you're gonna
have to stand up for yourself.
1379
01:03:40,359 --> 01:03:41,944
A guy comes over,
and it's your day
1380
01:03:42,153 --> 01:03:43,821
to get your package,
and he tries to take
1381
01:03:44,030 --> 01:03:46,574
your package from you
that your people sent you,
1382
01:03:46,783 --> 01:03:48,451
if you let him do it,
there's gonna be
1383
01:03:48,659 --> 01:03:51,287
10 other dudes,
"Oh, yeah, he let that guy
1384
01:03:51,496 --> 01:03:53,176
take his package,
I'm gonna go get his TV,"
1385
01:03:53,372 --> 01:03:56,125
right down the line
until somebody's after your ass.
1386
01:03:56,334 --> 01:03:57,752
And that's not good.
1387
01:04:00,755 --> 01:04:02,632
But if you stand up
that first time
1388
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,480
and they see you'll stand up
for yourself,
1389
01:04:04,675 --> 01:04:07,011
even if you lose,
people will respect that.
1390
01:04:11,057 --> 01:04:12,785
"Oh, don't mess with him.
There's easier prey."
1391
01:04:12,809 --> 01:04:14,519
"Yeah, but I can get him."
Doesn't matter.
1392
01:04:14,727 --> 01:04:16,229
Don't mess with him.
1393
01:04:16,437 --> 01:04:18,064
Why do you have to go
and get that guy
1394
01:04:18,272 --> 01:04:20,152
and get a couple lumps for it
when he can go get
1395
01:04:20,233 --> 01:04:24,654
that guy's stuff over there,
don't cost you nothing.
1396
01:04:24,862 --> 01:04:26,739
It usually only has to happen
once or twice
1397
01:04:26,948 --> 01:04:29,116
but just as importantly
1398
01:04:29,325 --> 01:04:32,662
that you didn't go
to the man for help...
1399
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:34,288
you're gonna be all right.
1400
01:04:34,497 --> 01:04:36,249
Now if you're suddenly thinking,
1401
01:04:36,457 --> 01:04:39,335
this isn't so bad, a black eye,
a few scratches,
1402
01:04:39,544 --> 01:04:41,337
and you're in the clear,
think again.
1403
01:04:41,546 --> 01:04:43,089
The American public in general
has been
1404
01:04:43,297 --> 01:04:46,592
so profoundly brainwashed
into thinking
1405
01:04:46,801 --> 01:04:49,387
that what we're doing
with our prison system
1406
01:04:49,595 --> 01:04:51,681
is somehow normal
1407
01:04:51,889 --> 01:04:56,853
or rational or... just,
1408
01:04:57,061 --> 01:04:59,397
I find that overwhelming
and exhausting just...
1409
01:04:59,605 --> 01:05:02,441
Because the more you
spend time in...
1410
01:05:02,650 --> 01:05:04,530
Inside and the more contact
you have with people
1411
01:05:04,694 --> 01:05:06,195
who've been directly affected,
1412
01:05:06,404 --> 01:05:09,073
the more depraved
the system appears.
1413
01:05:09,282 --> 01:05:13,411
Over 20%,
one out of every five inmates,
1414
01:05:13,619 --> 01:05:16,163
are physically attacked
every six months.
1415
01:05:16,372 --> 01:05:17,832
I wasn't in San Quentin a week,
1416
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,167
and I watched a man die
right next to me.
1417
01:05:20,376 --> 01:05:23,796
I watched two guys just walk up
and just stab him to death.
1418
01:05:24,005 --> 01:05:28,217
Part of me
wanted to scream in fear.
1419
01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:31,387
But I had a bigger fear of, man,
1420
01:05:31,596 --> 01:05:33,139
what would these guys
think about me?
1421
01:05:33,347 --> 01:05:35,600
So I pretended like,
man, this ain't nothing.
1422
01:05:35,808 --> 01:05:37,476
I wanted
these people's acceptance.
1423
01:05:37,685 --> 01:05:39,329
They tell me,
"You know how to make a knife?
1424
01:05:39,353 --> 01:05:41,939
Stab that guy there."
And I did.
1425
01:05:42,148 --> 01:05:44,650
So instead of getting
a traditional education
1426
01:05:44,859 --> 01:05:46,903
or job training,
prison's a great place
1427
01:05:47,111 --> 01:05:49,822
to learn how to make a knife
by dropping a razor blade
1428
01:05:50,031 --> 01:05:51,741
onto the melted end
of the toothbrush.
1429
01:05:51,949 --> 01:05:54,285
What happens
when you have vast numbers
1430
01:05:54,493 --> 01:05:56,120
of people in a system like that
1431
01:05:56,329 --> 01:05:59,540
or in a location like that
who have medical needs,
1432
01:05:59,749 --> 01:06:01,959
mental health needs,
educational needs,
1433
01:06:02,168 --> 01:06:05,296
substance abuse,
all of these things.
1434
01:06:05,504 --> 01:06:07,715
And there's nobody who really
knows how to handle that,
1435
01:06:07,924 --> 01:06:10,009
so violence itself
is often a failure
1436
01:06:10,217 --> 01:06:13,054
of communication
or alternatives for coping.
1437
01:06:13,262 --> 01:06:15,431
There are all sorts
of comple x social pressures
1438
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,267
on people to be violent
in prison.
1439
01:06:18,476 --> 01:06:20,478
So a lot of the violence
you see in prison is not
1440
01:06:20,686 --> 01:06:22,664
an expression of the character
of the people in prison,
1441
01:06:22,688 --> 01:06:24,398
it's people reacting
to the situation.
1442
01:06:24,607 --> 01:06:26,447
And this is something
so few people understand.
1443
01:06:26,651 --> 01:06:29,737
If you took 1,000 people
off the street and put them
1444
01:06:29,946 --> 01:06:32,573
at Corcoran or Pelican Bay
or Soledad...
1445
01:06:35,034 --> 01:06:38,871
some huge number of them
would end up committing violence
1446
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,958
because of the situation
that they've been placed in.
1447
01:06:42,166 --> 01:06:45,294
Five years into his sentence,
an older inmate
1448
01:06:45,503 --> 01:06:48,881
whose nickname was The Devil,
wanted Reggie to take the blame
1449
01:06:49,090 --> 01:06:50,967
for a knife the guards had
found in the yard.
1450
01:06:51,175 --> 01:06:52,760
But Reggie refused.
1451
01:06:52,969 --> 01:06:54,489
The Devil attacked Reggie
with a knife,
1452
01:06:54,595 --> 01:06:56,055
slashing his neck.
1453
01:06:56,263 --> 01:06:57,807
Reggie later would say
he knew then
1454
01:06:58,015 --> 01:06:59,475
either The Devil
was gonna kill him
1455
01:06:59,684 --> 01:07:01,394
or he had to kill The Devil.
1456
01:07:01,602 --> 01:07:04,230
About 15 minutes
after Reggie was attacked,
1457
01:07:04,438 --> 01:07:06,399
he jumped over
a correctional officer
1458
01:07:06,607 --> 01:07:09,527
and stabbed The Devil
with a prison shank.
1459
01:07:09,735 --> 01:07:13,030
I sit back every day,
and I second-guess myself.
1460
01:07:13,239 --> 01:07:15,908
Could I have went about
the situation any other way?
1461
01:07:16,117 --> 01:07:18,202
And no matter how many times
I tell myself,
1462
01:07:18,411 --> 01:07:20,496
this was the only thing
that could have happened,
1463
01:07:20,705 --> 01:07:22,498
it don't sit right
with me in my cell
1464
01:07:22,707 --> 01:07:24,601
because I should have never
been there in the first place.
1465
01:07:24,625 --> 01:07:26,252
I'm innocent, man,
and you turned me
1466
01:07:26,460 --> 01:07:28,212
into what y'all say I was.
1467
01:07:28,421 --> 01:07:30,089
Y'all been lying on me
this whole time,
1468
01:07:30,297 --> 01:07:32,550
and you turned me into
a murderer because I had to.
1469
01:07:32,758 --> 01:07:35,011
After that, they put Reggie
1470
01:07:35,219 --> 01:07:36,721
in solitary confinement,
1471
01:07:36,929 --> 01:07:38,889
and he went from a life sentence
1472
01:07:39,098 --> 01:07:43,060
without possibility of parole
to facing the death penalty.
1473
01:07:43,269 --> 01:07:47,314
So he gets put on trial
in the death penalty case,
1474
01:07:47,523 --> 01:07:50,484
and his lawyer starts looking
into his original case
1475
01:07:50,693 --> 01:07:52,278
and gives me a call and says,
1476
01:07:52,486 --> 01:07:54,238
"You know,
I think this guy's innocent
1477
01:07:54,447 --> 01:07:56,449
of what he went to prison
for in the first place."
1478
01:07:56,657 --> 01:07:59,076
And the second reason
Reggie got out
1479
01:07:59,285 --> 01:08:00,828
besides the prison stabbing
1480
01:08:01,037 --> 01:08:04,665
was this miracle
of there happened to be a book
1481
01:08:04,874 --> 01:08:08,794
that had been put out
about the LA homicide division.
1482
01:08:09,003 --> 01:08:11,088
The author of the book
had documented a ride along
1483
01:08:11,297 --> 01:08:13,591
with the LAPD detective.
1484
01:08:13,799 --> 01:08:15,551
This homicide investigator's
first night
1485
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,428
that she was on the job.
1486
01:08:17,636 --> 01:08:20,056
The very night
she investigated the murder,
1487
01:08:20,264 --> 01:08:21,974
she would ultimately arrest
Reggie for.
1488
01:08:22,183 --> 01:08:23,994
And we're flipping through
the book and reading it,
1489
01:08:24,018 --> 01:08:25,436
and there's all this stuff in it
1490
01:08:25,644 --> 01:08:27,204
that was never disclosed
to the defense.
1491
01:08:27,354 --> 01:08:29,356
That's all documented
that all indicates
1492
01:08:29,565 --> 01:08:31,442
pretty clearly
that Reggie's innocent.
1493
01:08:31,650 --> 01:08:33,986
But it would still take
the Innocence Project 10 years
1494
01:08:34,195 --> 01:08:35,863
to get Reggie out of prison.
1495
01:08:36,072 --> 01:08:38,616
A grandmother doing life
for murder was released
1496
01:08:38,824 --> 01:08:41,118
from prison yesterday
after 17 years
1497
01:08:41,327 --> 01:08:43,704
when a judge said
she did not do it.
1498
01:08:43,913 --> 01:08:46,624
Susan Mellon recently
filed a lawsuit against
1499
01:08:46,832 --> 01:08:49,085
the detective who arrested her
for hiding evidence.
1500
01:08:49,293 --> 01:08:53,047
That detective is the same one
who arrested Reggie Cole.
1501
01:09:11,524 --> 01:09:13,609
You know, we...
You know, as a society,
1502
01:09:13,818 --> 01:09:16,320
we see the bad guy
and the good guy.
1503
01:09:16,529 --> 01:09:18,322
Well, that's cops and robbers.
1504
01:09:18,531 --> 01:09:22,952
But when the cop becomes
the robber, the game is over.
1505
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,955
The game is over.
That's corruption.
1506
01:09:26,163 --> 01:09:30,251
It was a horrific twist of fate
that led to Reggie's release.
1507
01:09:30,459 --> 01:09:32,795
Bruce was more fortunate.
1508
01:09:33,003 --> 01:09:35,297
His father's death
led to an unexpected turn.
1509
01:09:35,506 --> 01:09:38,676
Providence was his big thing,
and he had,
1510
01:09:38,884 --> 01:09:40,469
you know, great life insurance.
1511
01:09:40,678 --> 01:09:43,180
It was 184,000 that my dad
left me,
1512
01:09:43,389 --> 01:09:46,225
and I was able to parlay
that up to about 236,
1513
01:09:46,433 --> 01:09:48,519
in the stock market,
and then it was just 100%
1514
01:09:48,727 --> 01:09:50,688
of my time dedicated to my case.
1515
01:09:50,896 --> 01:09:53,566
And that enabled Bruce
to hire a private investigator.
1516
01:09:53,774 --> 01:09:57,736
We had, essentially,
a growing war chest of evidence
1517
01:09:57,945 --> 01:10:00,030
that I hadn't committed
the crime or at least
1518
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:02,616
that all the evidence that was
presented was false evidence.
1519
01:10:02,825 --> 01:10:05,870
I had received
a complaint from Bruce Lisker.
1520
01:10:06,078 --> 01:10:09,874
I flew up to the state prison
where Bruce Lisker was.
1521
01:10:10,082 --> 01:10:11,458
I spoke to him.
1522
01:10:11,667 --> 01:10:13,294
When somebody is accused
of murder
1523
01:10:13,502 --> 01:10:15,462
or you're arrested for murder,
it's tape-recorded.
1524
01:10:15,588 --> 01:10:18,340
Everything is tape-recorded.
I couldn't find his tape.
1525
01:10:18,549 --> 01:10:23,262
It had been taken out
of evidence by Detective Monsue,
1526
01:10:23,470 --> 01:10:26,348
and it was never
put back into evidence.
1527
01:10:26,557 --> 01:10:29,310
Detective Monsue
had said the footprints
1528
01:10:29,518 --> 01:10:32,730
outside the house matched
the footprints on the inside.
1529
01:10:32,938 --> 01:10:34,732
Lieutenant Gavin found
the footprints
1530
01:10:34,940 --> 01:10:36,901
weren't actually looked at
by a scientist
1531
01:10:37,109 --> 01:10:38,736
or any qualified e x pert.
1532
01:10:38,944 --> 01:10:40,424
So he took matters
into his own hands.
1533
01:10:40,613 --> 01:10:42,072
So I contacted our people,
1534
01:10:42,281 --> 01:10:44,158
scientific investigative
division.
1535
01:10:44,366 --> 01:10:47,077
So he takes out
this big magnifying glass,
1536
01:10:47,286 --> 01:10:48,871
looks at it,
looks at the other one,
1537
01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:50,519
and he goes,
"These two don't match."
1538
01:10:50,706 --> 01:10:52,416
See this is a great
embarrassment
1539
01:10:52,625 --> 01:10:54,752
for any large organization
that you've convicted
1540
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,963
somebody for murder and then
five, 10, 20 years later,
1541
01:10:58,172 --> 01:11:01,342
it turns out that
the person's actually innocent.
1542
01:11:01,550 --> 01:11:03,594
And this is what
my lieutenant said...
1543
01:11:03,802 --> 01:11:05,763
"That motherfucker
is not getting out of prison.
1544
01:11:05,971 --> 01:11:07,640
Do you understand me,
Sergeant Gavin?"
1545
01:11:07,848 --> 01:11:10,976
They will do everything
they can to stop you,
1546
01:11:11,185 --> 01:11:13,622
prevent you from coming forward
with the information you have.
1547
01:11:13,646 --> 01:11:15,898
Upon reviewing
the comprehensive work
1548
01:11:16,106 --> 01:11:17,733
of the private investigator,
1549
01:11:17,942 --> 01:11:19,818
the LAPD Internal
Affairs Department
1550
01:11:20,027 --> 01:11:21,946
claimed Bruce's complaints
were unfounded
1551
01:11:22,154 --> 01:11:24,156
and that no misconduct
had occurred.
1552
01:11:24,365 --> 01:11:26,075
You can't have
an internal investigation
1553
01:11:26,283 --> 01:11:28,786
where we all investigate
ourselves.
1554
01:11:28,994 --> 01:11:30,871
Tha... that's like a joke.
1555
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,200
I'm not against the authorities
or anything like that.
1556
01:11:33,290 --> 01:11:37,169
I'm just against the system
that has no checks and balances.
1557
01:11:37,378 --> 01:11:39,046
Who the fuck his checking y'all?
1558
01:11:39,255 --> 01:11:40,881
I believe that internal affairs
1559
01:11:41,090 --> 01:11:42,776
should be separate
from the police department.
1560
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,426
There is no way that
a Police Department
1561
01:11:44,635 --> 01:11:46,303
can investigate themselves.
1562
01:11:46,512 --> 01:11:48,764
Currently, there are
no independent organizations
1563
01:11:48,973 --> 01:11:52,309
whose job it is to
investigate police misconduct.
1564
01:11:52,518 --> 01:11:55,980
And there's no oversight
of prosecutors, either.
1565
01:11:58,274 --> 01:12:00,359
Prosecutorial misconduct
is a major factor
1566
01:12:00,567 --> 01:12:02,027
of wrongful convictions.
1567
01:12:02,236 --> 01:12:03,904
It's a single thread
that runs through
1568
01:12:04,113 --> 01:12:06,865
almost all of
the wrongful-conviction cases.
1569
01:12:07,074 --> 01:12:09,994
Jeff Deskovic has
a Master's in criminal justice,
1570
01:12:10,202 --> 01:12:12,204
specializing
in wrongful convictions.
1571
01:12:12,413 --> 01:12:15,207
He's also a survivor
of prosecutorial misconduct.
1572
01:12:15,416 --> 01:12:17,126
I spent 16 years in prison.
1573
01:12:17,334 --> 01:12:20,337
I was wrongfully convicted
at 17.
1574
01:12:20,546 --> 01:12:22,881
I emerged at 32.
1575
01:12:23,090 --> 01:12:26,135
Jeff eventually won a lawsuit
against Putnam County,
1576
01:12:26,343 --> 01:12:28,137
New York, for his conviction,
1577
01:12:28,345 --> 01:12:30,073
which enabled him
to start his own foundation.
1578
01:12:30,097 --> 01:12:32,349
And I'm the founder
and executive director
1579
01:12:32,558 --> 01:12:34,476
of the Jeffrey Deskovic
Foundation for Justice.
1580
01:12:34,685 --> 01:12:36,405
There's no deterrence.
There's no oversight.
1581
01:12:36,603 --> 01:12:38,397
There's no punishment
for prosecutors.
1582
01:12:38,605 --> 01:12:40,149
So they can break the law.
1583
01:12:40,357 --> 01:12:42,318
They don't face
criminal penalties,
1584
01:12:42,526 --> 01:12:44,862
even when they engage
in withholding
1585
01:12:45,070 --> 01:12:47,114
evidence of innocence,
threatening witnesses,
1586
01:12:47,323 --> 01:12:48,824
coercing witnesses.
1587
01:12:49,033 --> 01:12:50,784
No matter how serious
the misconduct is,
1588
01:12:50,993 --> 01:12:54,663
if the prosecutor commits that
after an arrest has been made,
1589
01:12:54,872 --> 01:12:56,874
they have what's called
prosecutorial immunity.
1590
01:12:57,082 --> 01:12:58,542
They're above the law.
1591
01:12:58,751 --> 01:13:00,377
We need prosecutors
1592
01:13:00,586 --> 01:13:03,589
to really uphold
what's become just words,
1593
01:13:03,797 --> 01:13:05,966
which is, you know,
they're there to do justice.
1594
01:13:06,175 --> 01:13:08,135
They're there
to do the right thing.
1595
01:13:08,344 --> 01:13:10,763
It becomes more like
"we're there to win,"
1596
01:13:10,971 --> 01:13:12,556
especially when
prosecutor's offices
1597
01:13:12,765 --> 01:13:16,268
actually keep statistics
on conviction rates.
1598
01:13:16,477 --> 01:13:19,521
Well, you should be credited
that you looked at a case
1599
01:13:19,730 --> 01:13:22,941
where the police thought
they had a good case
1600
01:13:23,150 --> 01:13:24,836
but a good prosecutor
looked at it and said,
1601
01:13:24,860 --> 01:13:26,588
"You know what?
There's some mistakes made here.
1602
01:13:26,612 --> 01:13:28,530
We should drop the charges
in this case."
1603
01:13:28,739 --> 01:13:30,908
We should incentivize that.
1604
01:13:31,116 --> 01:13:33,494
But instead, we actually
incentivize the opposite,
1605
01:13:33,702 --> 01:13:36,455
of getting convictions
and getting conviction rates.
1606
01:13:36,663 --> 01:13:39,208
All of a sudden, justice gets
lost in that process.
1607
01:13:39,416 --> 01:13:41,656
And whether this guy committed
the crime or not gets lost
1608
01:13:41,710 --> 01:13:44,254
in that process 'cause
it's all about winning my case.
1609
01:13:44,463 --> 01:13:46,256
Immunity, that's bullshit.
1610
01:13:46,465 --> 01:13:48,735
I mean, in the real world,
you know, you're supposed to be
1611
01:13:48,759 --> 01:13:50,803
held accountable
for your wrongdoings.
1612
01:13:51,011 --> 01:13:54,098
So, therefore, if you're
a person of authority...
1613
01:13:54,306 --> 01:13:56,517
Of authority,
that you have to be held
1614
01:13:56,725 --> 01:13:58,394
at a higher standard
than just a layman.
1615
01:13:58,602 --> 01:14:00,437
I think we actually need
to step back
1616
01:14:00,646 --> 01:14:02,731
and kind of rethink
the whole system
1617
01:14:02,940 --> 01:14:04,525
in the way we're approaching it
1618
01:14:04,733 --> 01:14:06,902
because it's become this game,
1619
01:14:07,111 --> 01:14:09,738
and people's lives are lost
as a result of it.
1620
01:14:14,701 --> 01:14:17,496
If you ever do find yourself
wrongfully convicted,
1621
01:14:17,704 --> 01:14:19,665
odds are,
you're never getting out.
1622
01:14:19,873 --> 01:14:23,460
The first thing you need to do
is send preservation letters
1623
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:26,755
to the Police Department labs
and the courts
1624
01:14:26,964 --> 01:14:29,883
requesting that you want
all your evidence saved.
1625
01:14:30,092 --> 01:14:33,470
Otherwise, they may destroy it
within 30 days.
1626
01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:37,182
Try to find an Innocence Project
that'll take your case.
1627
01:14:37,391 --> 01:14:40,310
Prepare for this process
to take years.
1628
01:14:40,519 --> 01:14:42,688
Then pray for a miracle.
1629
01:14:42,896 --> 01:14:46,525
The Innocence Project
estimates conservatively
1630
01:14:46,733 --> 01:14:51,071
there could easily be 40,000
to over 100,000 Americans
1631
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,866
currently wrongfully convicted,
1632
01:14:54,074 --> 01:14:56,827
the majority of which
are people of color.
1633
01:14:59,288 --> 01:15:03,083
It's kind of hard for me
to relate to my family
1634
01:15:03,292 --> 01:15:05,043
because they don't see me
as the same.
1635
01:15:05,252 --> 01:15:07,629
It's like Adam and Eve
when he told them,
1636
01:15:07,838 --> 01:15:09,631
"Don't go
and don't eat this fruit,"
1637
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,800
and they ate it,
and they were enlightened.
1638
01:15:12,009 --> 01:15:14,344
I'm enlightened.
I'm on the other side now.
1639
01:15:14,553 --> 01:15:16,638
I'm not the same
as y'all no more.
1640
01:15:16,847 --> 01:15:19,349
You know, I don't...
I can't speak
1641
01:15:19,558 --> 01:15:22,394
in a boisterous tone
because everyone gets scared.
1642
01:15:22,603 --> 01:15:24,938
But I'm not that dude.
I'm not him.
1643
01:15:35,073 --> 01:15:38,660
And I'm innocent, man.
I'm innocent.
1644
01:15:38,869 --> 01:15:40,537
You know,
I gotta fight my demons.
1645
01:15:40,746 --> 01:15:42,998
I gotta do what I gotta do
for me, you know?
1646
01:15:43,207 --> 01:15:44,958
I got a child, you know?
1647
01:15:45,167 --> 01:15:47,002
I'm trying
to get myself right so I can,
1648
01:15:47,211 --> 01:15:48,670
you know, teach her right.
1649
01:15:48,879 --> 01:15:50,422
But I mean,
there's no accountability.
1650
01:15:50,631 --> 01:15:52,424
These people
that did this to me,
1651
01:15:52,633 --> 01:15:54,801
these people
that took everything, man,
1652
01:15:55,010 --> 01:15:56,512
they took everything.
1653
01:16:05,229 --> 01:16:06,897
Bruce's private investigator
1654
01:16:07,105 --> 01:16:08,565
never gave up on his case.
1655
01:16:08,774 --> 01:16:11,735
He had a very vigorous
private investigator
1656
01:16:11,944 --> 01:16:13,779
who made a complaint
to the LAPD,
1657
01:16:13,987 --> 01:16:17,115
and it landed on the desk of
an Internal Affairs investigator
1658
01:16:17,324 --> 01:16:22,913
who looked at Bruce's claims in
a very serious-minded fashion.
1659
01:16:29,044 --> 01:16:31,588
It's the people
like Detective Monsue
1660
01:16:31,797 --> 01:16:34,216
and the others out there
that have made our job
1661
01:16:34,424 --> 01:16:36,301
very difficult to do
day after day
1662
01:16:36,510 --> 01:16:39,221
because we lose
the confidence of the public,
1663
01:16:39,429 --> 01:16:41,265
and we lose the confidence
of the courts.
1664
01:16:41,473 --> 01:16:44,101
We have to have police chiefs,
directors of public service
1665
01:16:44,309 --> 01:16:46,228
that are willing to do
the right thing
1666
01:16:46,436 --> 01:16:49,690
and terminate employees
who are doing the wrong thing.
1667
01:16:49,898 --> 01:16:51,650
If you want to say
you're the good guy
1668
01:16:51,858 --> 01:16:54,236
but you're ostracized by
everybody that you believed in,
1669
01:16:54,444 --> 01:16:57,823
it's a very difficult situation
because I have to continue
1670
01:16:58,031 --> 01:17:00,659
to work for the same department
that did this to Bruce Lisker.
1671
01:17:00,867 --> 01:17:02,661
I don't look at myself
as a hero.
1672
01:17:02,869 --> 01:17:07,749
I look at myself as a survivor
because the system attacked me.
1673
01:17:07,958 --> 01:17:10,377
The system went after me,
and the system did
1674
01:17:10,586 --> 01:17:13,422
everything they could
to keep Bruce Lisker in jail
1675
01:17:13,630 --> 01:17:15,716
and everything to keep me quiet.
1676
01:17:15,924 --> 01:17:17,926
It's been a lot of therapy.
1677
01:17:18,135 --> 01:17:21,722
My wife and I met
in third grade.
1678
01:17:21,930 --> 01:17:24,182
We were elementary, junior-high,
high-school sweethearts.
1679
01:17:24,391 --> 01:17:26,059
We lived on the same street,
1680
01:17:26,268 --> 01:17:29,646
and it's been a very difficult,
difficult road.
1681
01:17:29,855 --> 01:17:31,857
She is third-generation LAPD.
1682
01:17:32,065 --> 01:17:35,819
And the survival is day by day
1683
01:17:36,028 --> 01:17:37,821
and always looking
over your shoulder
1684
01:17:38,030 --> 01:17:39,750
whether you're doing
the right thing or not.
1685
01:17:39,948 --> 01:17:41,742
You're constantly
looking over your shoulder.
1686
01:17:41,950 --> 01:17:44,745
And every time I get called
into the captain's office,
1687
01:17:44,953 --> 01:17:47,497
I wonder, "What did I do now?"
1688
01:17:47,706 --> 01:17:49,583
And I've never had
that feeling before.
1689
01:17:49,791 --> 01:17:52,544
I just kept on telling myself,
they are not going to defeat me.
1690
01:17:52,753 --> 01:17:54,379
They're not going to defeat me.
1691
01:17:54,588 --> 01:17:57,758
It's just when you
come across something like this,
1692
01:17:57,966 --> 01:17:59,343
what are you gonna do?
1693
01:17:59,551 --> 01:18:01,261
And that's the difficult thing.
1694
01:18:01,470 --> 01:18:04,389
If I had not given up
the information that I did
1695
01:18:04,598 --> 01:18:08,393
to the LA Times, Bruce Lisker
would still be in prison.
1696
01:18:08,602 --> 01:18:12,481
A bloody footprint
that was attributed to Bruce
1697
01:18:12,689 --> 01:18:15,901
at his trial had recently
been reanalyzed
1698
01:18:16,109 --> 01:18:18,862
and shown to have not been
made from Bruce's shoe.
1699
01:18:19,071 --> 01:18:20,656
So that got us interested
in the case,
1700
01:18:20,864 --> 01:18:23,158
and we started talking
to his private investigator
1701
01:18:23,367 --> 01:18:25,827
and began
the seven-month investigation.
1702
01:18:26,036 --> 01:18:28,747
And at the conclusion of that,
they filed an article
1703
01:18:28,955 --> 01:18:31,291
called A Case of Doubt
that eventually
1704
01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:33,710
won them an award,
won The Times an award.
1705
01:18:33,919 --> 01:18:36,129
I wound up sitting between 2005,
1706
01:18:36,338 --> 01:18:39,091
when the first article came out,
and 2009 in prison,
1707
01:18:39,299 --> 01:18:42,010
four solid years...
1708
01:18:42,219 --> 01:18:44,805
a widely recognized
innocent man.
1709
01:18:45,013 --> 01:18:49,726
We knew back in 2003, 2004,
that we had probably a person
1710
01:18:49,935 --> 01:18:52,020
that was in prison
for a crime he did not commit.
1711
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:53,772
And it took five years
for the courts
1712
01:18:53,980 --> 01:18:56,191
to work through the...
The entire system.
1713
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,027
There were a lot of delays
because of the conduct
1714
01:18:59,236 --> 01:19:01,363
of my own police department
and the conduct
1715
01:19:01,571 --> 01:19:05,158
of the California
Attorney General.
1716
01:19:05,367 --> 01:19:07,869
Reggie Cole
spent 16 years in prison
1717
01:19:08,078 --> 01:19:09,996
for a crime he didn't commit.
1718
01:19:10,205 --> 01:19:13,041
10 of those years were spent
in solitary confinement,
1719
01:19:13,250 --> 01:19:16,169
and he had to kill another man
to get a trial.
1720
01:19:16,378 --> 01:19:18,630
The whole way I've been
telling them, I'm innocent.
1721
01:19:18,839 --> 01:19:20,424
Every article I'm in,
everything...
1722
01:19:20,632 --> 01:19:22,312
Everybody I'm talking to,
I'm telling them,
1723
01:19:22,467 --> 01:19:25,345
"I'm innocent, man,
I didn't do anything to anyone."
1724
01:19:25,554 --> 01:19:27,764
They don't care.
They don't care.
1725
01:19:27,973 --> 01:19:30,726
It's not that they didn't know.
They didn't care.
1726
01:19:30,934 --> 01:19:33,270
It's a miracle Reggie
got out at all.
1727
01:19:39,067 --> 01:19:41,695
Tim's is a miracle story
as well.
1728
01:19:41,903 --> 01:19:46,408
In late 2012, after 26 years,
he made parole.
1729
01:19:46,616 --> 01:19:48,785
I signed some papers
for the parole officer,
1730
01:19:48,994 --> 01:19:51,121
he said, "Okay, see you later.
1731
01:19:54,499 --> 01:19:56,334
Didn't ask me
how I was getting home,
1732
01:19:56,543 --> 01:19:58,712
didn't ask me if I had a home.
1733
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:03,633
When I realized these people
honestly don't give a fuck.
1734
01:20:09,556 --> 01:20:10,891
To survive getting out,
1735
01:20:11,099 --> 01:20:13,101
it's a lot harder
than it sounds.
1736
01:20:13,310 --> 01:20:15,645
You may have developed
post-traumatic stress disorder,
1737
01:20:15,854 --> 01:20:20,192
agoraphobia, paranoia
and require immediate treatment.
1738
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,320
You're gonna need food,
new clothes.
1739
01:20:23,528 --> 01:20:25,947
You're going to need money
for transportation
1740
01:20:26,156 --> 01:20:28,825
to and from
your parole-officer meeting.
1741
01:20:29,034 --> 01:20:30,702
If you miss a meeting,
1742
01:20:30,911 --> 01:20:33,663
you could find yourself
back in jail.
1743
01:20:33,872 --> 01:20:35,499
You're going to need a job,
1744
01:20:35,707 --> 01:20:37,467
but there's a lot
of discrimination out there
1745
01:20:37,542 --> 01:20:39,169
for employment and housing.
1746
01:20:39,377 --> 01:20:43,089
Speaking of which,
you're gonna need a home.
1747
01:20:43,298 --> 01:20:44,925
I wouldn't have a home
1748
01:20:45,133 --> 01:20:47,803
if it wasn't for
the Rescue a Life Foundation.
1749
01:20:48,011 --> 01:20:50,722
They set up a house,
a transitional housing.
1750
01:20:50,931 --> 01:20:56,061
God and that foundation
is what's got me by.
1751
01:20:56,269 --> 01:20:59,189
It's the reason I'm sitting here
and not back inside.
1752
01:20:59,397 --> 01:21:02,192
The Rescue
a Life Foundation was founded
1753
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,111
by Dwayne McElwee who knows
how challenging it can be
1754
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,113
to re-enter society.
1755
01:21:07,322 --> 01:21:10,242
Dwayne did 25 years himself
for murder.
1756
01:21:10,450 --> 01:21:12,494
After school,
we would have to go down
1757
01:21:12,702 --> 01:21:15,163
to my mother's dress shop
and hang out all day
1758
01:21:15,372 --> 01:21:16,957
and work around the business.
1759
01:21:17,165 --> 01:21:19,459
At that time,
we had several organizations
1760
01:21:19,668 --> 01:21:21,336
that would just patrol
that area.
1761
01:21:21,545 --> 01:21:23,797
So it was pretty safe.
We had the Black Panthers,
1762
01:21:24,005 --> 01:21:26,383
Ron Karenga's
whole organization,
1763
01:21:26,591 --> 01:21:27,676
United Slaves.
1764
01:21:27,884 --> 01:21:30,053
We had the Nation of Islam.
1765
01:21:30,262 --> 01:21:32,305
It was pretty cool,
you didn't have to worry
1766
01:21:32,514 --> 01:21:34,808
about people coming in,
holding you up and everything.
1767
01:21:35,016 --> 01:21:36,852
Didn't have to worry
about that type of stuff.
1768
01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:41,815
But it was after the COINTELPRO
when they got pushed underground
1769
01:21:42,023 --> 01:21:44,609
that everything just seemed
like, you know, went crazy.
1770
01:21:44,818 --> 01:21:46,498
All the thugs came out,
and then, you know,
1771
01:21:46,611 --> 01:21:49,114
you were fair game then,
the store operators.
1772
01:21:49,322 --> 01:21:51,242
That's when we started having
a lot of robberies,
1773
01:21:51,366 --> 01:21:53,118
a lot of burglaries.
1774
01:21:53,326 --> 01:21:56,621
My mother, she's just
a little, bitty 5-foot-4 lady.
1775
01:21:56,830 --> 01:21:59,749
She was beat up and robbed
one day while I was there.
1776
01:21:59,958 --> 01:22:02,210
And he grabbed her,
threw her to the ground
1777
01:22:02,419 --> 01:22:04,419
and kicked her and beat her
after he got the money.
1778
01:22:04,462 --> 01:22:06,382
Then he figured it wasn't
enough money, you know?
1779
01:22:06,590 --> 01:22:08,425
And I was a little kid.
1780
01:22:08,633 --> 01:22:11,678
I was probably about 11 years
old at the time, you know?
1781
01:22:11,887 --> 01:22:14,047
And he had this gun on him,
and she was hollering at me
1782
01:22:14,139 --> 01:22:15,932
not to move and just... you know,
1783
01:22:16,141 --> 01:22:19,144
and this dude is kicking her
and demanding more money.
1784
01:22:19,352 --> 01:22:21,479
He got all the money we had,
you know?
1785
01:22:21,688 --> 01:22:24,441
Dwayne's mother
wasn't robbed once.
1786
01:22:24,649 --> 01:22:26,484
She was robbed over
and over again.
1787
01:22:26,693 --> 01:22:28,528
I had a good friend.
1788
01:22:28,737 --> 01:22:31,448
He would always be commenting
about me being so uptight.
1789
01:22:31,656 --> 01:22:34,743
And he smoked weed.
He said, "Man, just take this.
1790
01:22:34,951 --> 01:22:36,369
You need,
this, like, medication."
1791
01:22:36,578 --> 01:22:37,954
That led to other things.
You know.
1792
01:22:38,163 --> 01:22:42,250
That led to cocaine,
it led to PCP,
1793
01:22:42,459 --> 01:22:45,712
Which ended up leading
to my crime
1794
01:22:45,921 --> 01:22:47,964
that happened that sent me
to prison, you know.
1795
01:22:48,173 --> 01:22:50,258
I went to prison
for a second-degree murder.
1796
01:22:50,467 --> 01:22:52,010
Some dudes robbed me.
1797
01:22:52,218 --> 01:22:53,978
They were supposed to have been
the middleman
1798
01:22:54,095 --> 01:22:56,681
going to get the drugs,
and they end up robbing me.
1799
01:22:56,890 --> 01:22:59,184
Because it had happened to us
in our business,
1800
01:22:59,392 --> 01:23:02,145
the family business so much,
this guy,
1801
01:23:02,354 --> 01:23:04,898
he wasn't just someone that
was robbing me all the time.
1802
01:23:05,106 --> 01:23:06,691
He was the image of somebody
1803
01:23:06,900 --> 01:23:09,402
that had been victimizing
my family.
1804
01:23:09,611 --> 01:23:11,863
And all these other times,
you had got away,
1805
01:23:12,072 --> 01:23:13,949
but this time,
you weren't going to get away.
1806
01:23:14,157 --> 01:23:16,993
So it was kind of like
a revenge thing,
1807
01:23:17,202 --> 01:23:19,412
a retaliation thing
for you and your kind.
1808
01:23:19,621 --> 01:23:21,998
You're going to pay for that,
and so what I found
1809
01:23:22,207 --> 01:23:26,461
is that what you can't forgive,
you end up becoming.
1810
01:23:26,670 --> 01:23:30,507
What you can't forgive,
you end up becoming.
1811
01:23:34,135 --> 01:23:36,805
So I had to learn how to forgive
and let that go,
1812
01:23:37,013 --> 01:23:38,932
and I had to learn
how to forgive him
1813
01:23:39,140 --> 01:23:42,018
and let that go
because he was also after...
1814
01:23:42,227 --> 01:23:46,773
I got to see his record,
and this guy had a rap sheet,
1815
01:23:46,982 --> 01:23:48,822
you know, from here...
From one side of the room
1816
01:23:48,900 --> 01:23:52,320
to the other, you know,
and I could see that, you know,
1817
01:23:52,529 --> 01:23:54,197
he needed the same help
that I needed.
1818
01:23:54,406 --> 01:23:56,241
We are generally taught
to imagine
1819
01:23:56,449 --> 01:23:59,244
that there is such a thing as,
for example, a murderer, right?
1820
01:23:59,452 --> 01:24:01,705
So in other words, a murderer
in the public imagination
1821
01:24:01,913 --> 01:24:04,249
and in most of our minds,
whether we've thought about it
1822
01:24:04,457 --> 01:24:07,961
or not, initially,
is someone who likes to murder
1823
01:24:08,169 --> 01:24:10,129
and who would murder
given the opportunity, right?
1824
01:24:10,296 --> 01:24:12,191
It's like a vocation, right?
That's what murderers do.
1825
01:24:12,215 --> 01:24:13,925
They go around murdering, right?
1826
01:24:14,134 --> 01:24:15,974
And that's why you don't let
them out of prison
1827
01:24:16,094 --> 01:24:18,364
You let them out of prison,
they're going to murder again.
1828
01:24:18,388 --> 01:24:21,808
The reality is that murder
is almost always a context.
1829
01:24:22,017 --> 01:24:23,268
It's a situation.
1830
01:24:23,476 --> 01:24:25,103
It is, statistically speaking,
1831
01:24:25,311 --> 01:24:28,064
very rarely driven
by a compulsion
1832
01:24:28,273 --> 01:24:30,608
or a desire to do harm, right?
1833
01:24:30,817 --> 01:24:33,111
It's a reaction to some set
of circumstances,
1834
01:24:33,319 --> 01:24:38,116
to a real or perceived threat,
to some extreme emotional state.
1835
01:24:38,324 --> 01:24:40,118
It's not a propensity.
1836
01:24:40,326 --> 01:24:43,496
Basically, we're confusing
the profile of a psychopath,
1837
01:24:43,705 --> 01:24:46,207
the psychopath we've read about,
you know, the serial killer,
1838
01:24:46,416 --> 01:24:47,959
with prisoners in general,
right?
1839
01:24:48,168 --> 01:24:51,671
If we as a society
stop and imagine
1840
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,091
that the people in prison
are fully human,
1841
01:24:55,300 --> 01:24:58,011
incredibly diverse,
have often been through
1842
01:24:58,219 --> 01:25:02,432
some of the most e x treme
and difficult situations
1843
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,559
and conditions,
some of which many of us
1844
01:25:04,768 --> 01:25:08,271
couldn't even really
begin to imagine, then suddenly,
1845
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:11,566
all of that judgment
and all that hostility
1846
01:25:11,775 --> 01:25:14,235
and all that vindictiveness
1847
01:25:14,444 --> 01:25:16,780
doesn't have such
a natural place anymore.
1848
01:25:16,988 --> 01:25:19,157
Many of our students
have committed murder
1849
01:25:19,365 --> 01:25:21,826
and felt horrible
about their crime
1850
01:25:22,035 --> 01:25:23,661
as soon as it happened.
1851
01:25:23,870 --> 01:25:25,681
It's not like they needed
to sit in prison for 15
1852
01:25:25,705 --> 01:25:27,505
or 20 years to realize
they'd done a bad thing
1853
01:25:27,624 --> 01:25:29,167
or to never want to do it again.
1854
01:25:29,375 --> 01:25:33,630
There's no human element...
1855
01:25:33,838 --> 01:25:37,425
to the criminal justice system.
1856
01:25:37,634 --> 01:25:40,470
There's no human element.
They're not there to help you.
1857
01:25:40,678 --> 01:25:42,597
They're not there
to help society.
1858
01:25:42,806 --> 01:25:45,975
They can say that that's what
it's set up for all they want.
1859
01:25:46,184 --> 01:25:48,645
That's not what it's there for,
1860
01:25:48,853 --> 01:25:51,856
not in California
and not in a lot of places.
1861
01:25:52,065 --> 01:25:55,026
It's a system set up
to punish people,
1862
01:25:55,235 --> 01:25:56,736
and they take a bad situation,
1863
01:25:56,945 --> 01:25:59,197
and they usually
make it much worse.
1864
01:26:02,742 --> 01:26:05,787
You know what the official
success rate of state prison is?
1865
01:26:05,995 --> 01:26:11,209
Nearly 80% of all inmates
go back within five years.
1866
01:26:11,417 --> 01:26:13,920
That's a success rate of 20%.
1867
01:26:14,129 --> 01:26:16,422
Imagine if we had those
requirements of airplanes.
1868
01:26:16,631 --> 01:26:19,342
Wow, eight out of 10 airplanes
falling out of the sky.
1869
01:26:19,551 --> 01:26:21,010
It's a little bit crazy-making.
1870
01:26:21,219 --> 01:26:22,804
And that is
Department of Justice data.
1871
01:26:23,012 --> 01:26:24,806
That's federal government
research.
1872
01:26:25,014 --> 01:26:27,642
Dr. Michael Coyle
attended Harvard University,
1873
01:26:27,851 --> 01:26:30,145
has a PhD in justice studies
1874
01:26:30,353 --> 01:26:31,896
and is a professor
of criminal justice
1875
01:26:32,105 --> 01:26:33,481
at California State University.
1876
01:26:33,690 --> 01:26:35,275
Dr. Coyle says that prison
1877
01:26:35,483 --> 01:26:37,277
not only increases
criminal behavior
1878
01:26:37,485 --> 01:26:39,946
but has a deleterious effect
on society as a whole.
1879
01:26:40,155 --> 01:26:42,949
What happens to a family
when the wage earner is removed
1880
01:26:43,158 --> 01:26:46,286
from society and thrown
into prison for 10 years?
1881
01:26:46,494 --> 01:26:48,872
What happens to those children?
How are they impacted?
1882
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:50,832
What are their chances
of success in life?
1883
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:52,333
They start to go down.
1884
01:26:52,542 --> 01:26:54,794
How does that impact
the community?
1885
01:26:55,003 --> 01:26:56,629
Loss of resources
in that community,
1886
01:26:56,838 --> 01:26:58,518
more demands
on the community now to help...
1887
01:26:58,590 --> 01:27:00,091
To help this family,
1888
01:27:00,300 --> 01:27:02,302
maybe the other parent,
maybe the children.
1889
01:27:02,510 --> 01:27:05,889
It's just so clearly a failure
1890
01:27:06,097 --> 01:27:08,516
by every measure
that you look at it
1891
01:27:08,725 --> 01:27:11,686
that I think we just need
to rethink the whole thing
1892
01:27:11,895 --> 01:27:15,815
and not just keep trying
to put lipstick on this pig,
1893
01:27:16,024 --> 01:27:17,567
'cause that's what we're doing.
1894
01:27:17,775 --> 01:27:19,535
I think it is difficult
for people to imagine
1895
01:27:19,652 --> 01:27:21,029
a world without prisons now.
1896
01:27:21,237 --> 01:27:24,157
We've become so accustomed
1897
01:27:24,365 --> 01:27:26,951
to the idea of prisons that
it's hard for people to imagine.
1898
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,954
Well, what do you do with people
if you don't put them in prison
1899
01:27:30,163 --> 01:27:31,706
when they've done wrong?
1900
01:27:31,915 --> 01:27:33,416
There are other alternatives.
1901
01:27:33,625 --> 01:27:36,085
Dostoevsky said the degree
of civilization
1902
01:27:36,294 --> 01:27:39,005
in a society could be judged
by entering its prisons.
1903
01:27:39,214 --> 01:27:41,758
Hebrews, 13:3,
1904
01:27:41,966 --> 01:27:44,344
remember those who are in chains
1905
01:27:44,552 --> 01:27:47,680
as if you
were in chains with them.
1906
01:27:47,889 --> 01:27:50,516
If we don't,
we put everybody at risk.
1907
01:27:52,644 --> 01:27:55,730
My husband, Dan,
was a police officer,
1908
01:27:55,939 --> 01:27:58,316
and he was killed
in the line of duty.
1909
01:27:58,524 --> 01:28:02,237
My goal at the trial
was to get the man
1910
01:28:02,445 --> 01:28:05,990
who killed my husband
convicted of first-degree murder
1911
01:28:06,199 --> 01:28:09,452
and be given the death penalty,
and that's what I got.
1912
01:28:09,661 --> 01:28:12,288
That's what happened.
I thought okay, here it is.
1913
01:28:12,497 --> 01:28:16,417
I got justice.
I'm gonna be free from this.
1914
01:28:16,626 --> 01:28:19,837
And it didn't happen.
It was... it was just a lie.
1915
01:28:20,046 --> 01:28:22,173
It didn't change anything.
1916
01:28:22,382 --> 01:28:24,175
Aqeela Sherrills is famous
1917
01:28:24,384 --> 01:28:26,344
for brokering the truce
between the Crips
1918
01:28:26,552 --> 01:28:28,596
and the Bloods in 1992.
1919
01:28:28,805 --> 01:28:33,268
Then in 2004, he experienced
an unimaginable tragedy.
1920
01:28:33,476 --> 01:28:38,106
My oldest son was murdered,
home from winter break, college.
1921
01:28:38,314 --> 01:28:41,651
And, yeah,
was shot to death at a party.
1922
01:28:41,859 --> 01:28:43,587
You know, so my daughter
called me and was like,
1923
01:28:43,611 --> 01:28:45,280
"Hey, you know, dad,
they getting together
1924
01:28:45,488 --> 01:28:47,407
over on Sesame Street
in the projects and stuff,
1925
01:28:47,615 --> 01:28:49,735
and they talking about going
on a mission for Tyrell."
1926
01:28:49,826 --> 01:28:51,586
So I jumped in my car,
and I drove over there
1927
01:28:51,786 --> 01:28:53,997
to the projects,
and I jumped out the car,
1928
01:28:54,205 --> 01:28:56,374
and I said, "Hey," I said,
1929
01:28:56,582 --> 01:28:58,251
"Man, we've played
this eye-for-an-eye,
1930
01:28:58,459 --> 01:29:00,128
tooth-for-a tooth game
long enough."
1931
01:29:00,336 --> 01:29:02,839
I'm like, "You know,
it's left us all blind
1932
01:29:03,047 --> 01:29:04,507
and toothless, you know?"
1933
01:29:04,716 --> 01:29:06,342
And I'm like,
"Without anybody here
1934
01:29:06,551 --> 01:29:08,028
to provide direction
and guidance for the kids
1935
01:29:08,052 --> 01:29:09,721
and the young folks
and the parents
1936
01:29:09,929 --> 01:29:11,848
and the loved ones
that are left behind like"...
1937
01:29:12,056 --> 01:29:14,767
I'm like,
"Let's do something different."
1938
01:29:14,976 --> 01:29:17,562
I've met people who've had
1939
01:29:17,770 --> 01:29:20,189
absolutely devastating things
happen to them,
1940
01:29:20,398 --> 01:29:22,650
and they're just angry
and bitter.
1941
01:29:22,859 --> 01:29:27,030
And I didn't want that to be me.
I'd done that long enough.
1942
01:29:27,238 --> 01:29:29,115
And it wasn't working.
1943
01:29:29,324 --> 01:29:31,492
And I needed
something different.
1944
01:29:31,701 --> 01:29:34,787
Dionne and Aqeela
did something incredible.
1945
01:29:34,996 --> 01:29:38,458
They rose to a consciousness
most of us cannot imagine.
1946
01:29:38,666 --> 01:29:40,335
They didn't condone
what happened,
1947
01:29:40,543 --> 01:29:42,211
but they forgave it.
1948
01:29:42,420 --> 01:29:44,547
I believe in the "F" word,
you know, forgiveness.
1949
01:29:44,756 --> 01:29:47,884
Because of forgiveness is not,
you know,
1950
01:29:48,092 --> 01:29:50,470
something that you do
for the perpetrator.
1951
01:29:50,678 --> 01:29:52,238
It's something
that you do for yourself.
1952
01:29:52,430 --> 01:29:56,517
There is no cure
to violence in violence.
1953
01:29:56,726 --> 01:29:59,270
Violence can never
be a cure for violence.
1954
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,064
It's been said
for thousands of years.
1955
01:30:01,272 --> 01:30:04,567
You can't fight darkness
with darkness.
1956
01:30:04,776 --> 01:30:06,486
You can only bring in the light.
1957
01:30:06,694 --> 01:30:10,031
If we're really trying
to deliver public safety,
1958
01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:13,117
then we need to start
asking questions.
1959
01:30:13,326 --> 01:30:14,786
We need to say why.
1960
01:30:14,994 --> 01:30:16,829
What happened
in the personal life
1961
01:30:17,038 --> 01:30:19,266
of this young man to cause him
to have this callous heart,
1962
01:30:19,290 --> 01:30:21,542
this fear that he would take
another human being's life?
1963
01:30:21,751 --> 01:30:24,879
Why is this person
1964
01:30:25,088 --> 01:30:28,091
cycling in and out
of jail or prison?
1965
01:30:28,299 --> 01:30:30,426
For Dionne, she decided
she wanted the death
1966
01:30:30,635 --> 01:30:33,971
of her husband Dan to lead
to something transformative,
1967
01:30:34,180 --> 01:30:39,352
something good and the same
for Aqeela and his son, Tyrell.
1968
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,437
We're going to harness
the essence of Tyrell,
1969
01:30:41,646 --> 01:30:43,707
and we're going to do something
much more profound with this.
1970
01:30:43,731 --> 01:30:45,733
The point is to understand
what's happened.
1971
01:30:45,942 --> 01:30:48,403
How can we repair the harm
that's been done?
1972
01:30:48,611 --> 01:30:50,780
How can we make sure
that it doesn't happen again?
1973
01:30:50,988 --> 01:30:52,800
And how can we, you know...
With that individual,
1974
01:30:52,824 --> 01:30:54,784
but also with other individuals
coming after them.
1975
01:30:54,826 --> 01:30:56,869
When we get the answer
to that question,
1976
01:30:57,078 --> 01:30:59,038
we need to actually
do something about it.
1977
01:30:59,247 --> 01:31:01,332
Real investment in institutions
1978
01:31:01,541 --> 01:31:03,793
that help people
to heal from trauma.
1979
01:31:04,001 --> 01:31:07,004
There was an interesting article
1980
01:31:07,213 --> 01:31:08,798
in The New York Times
a few years ago.
1981
01:31:09,006 --> 01:31:11,676
It was called
Million Dollar Blocks,
1982
01:31:11,884 --> 01:31:15,471
where if you calculated
how many of the residents
1983
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,516
of that particular block
were actually incarcerated
1984
01:31:18,724 --> 01:31:21,477
and you added up
how much it cost the state
1985
01:31:21,686 --> 01:31:23,521
to keep those people
incarcerated,
1986
01:31:23,729 --> 01:31:27,066
you would actually come up with
more than $1 million per block.
1987
01:31:27,275 --> 01:31:30,236
What I would say is
take those million dollars
1988
01:31:30,445 --> 01:31:33,030
that you're spending to put
all those people in prison
1989
01:31:33,239 --> 01:31:35,908
and invest them
in the kinds of things
1990
01:31:36,117 --> 01:31:38,411
that we know very well
1991
01:31:38,619 --> 01:31:40,455
will actually transform
those communities.
1992
01:31:40,663 --> 01:31:43,875
My passion is Shakespeare
because it's about words.
1993
01:31:44,083 --> 01:31:47,128
And the only way that
you can heal trauma
1994
01:31:47,336 --> 01:31:48,671
is to find language for it.
1995
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,007
I met my father
when I was like 15.
1996
01:31:51,215 --> 01:31:53,050
Never met him before?
Never saw him?
1997
01:31:53,259 --> 01:31:55,511
There's something strange here.
It's something...
1998
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:57,800
Someone with my kind of
background here a little bit.
1999
01:31:57,972 --> 01:32:00,224
What they're trying to do
is simply inhabit
2000
01:32:00,433 --> 01:32:02,894
that character
as truthfully as they can.
2001
01:32:03,102 --> 01:32:04,937
And in analyzing
and digging down deep
2002
01:32:05,146 --> 01:32:06,939
into the truth
of that character,
2003
01:32:07,148 --> 01:32:09,400
what happens is they begin
to dig into their own lives.
2004
01:32:09,609 --> 01:32:12,528
When I was a young man
and I came to prison,
2005
01:32:12,737 --> 01:32:16,157
the older convicts taught me how
to hustle at every opportunity
2006
01:32:16,365 --> 01:32:18,493
to make money,
how to get over on the police.
2007
01:32:18,701 --> 01:32:22,747
And I looked up to them.
They were my mentors.
2008
01:32:22,955 --> 01:32:24,457
Through Shakespeare Behind Bars,
2009
01:32:24,665 --> 01:32:28,836
I have learned that mentoring...
Mentoring is...
2010
01:32:29,045 --> 01:32:31,797
It's very important,
but it's also important
2011
01:32:32,006 --> 01:32:33,633
to mentor them
in the right direction.
2012
01:32:33,841 --> 01:32:36,511
So, our recidivism rate
in Kentucky
2013
01:32:36,719 --> 01:32:39,931
for this program,
22 years old, is 5.1%.
2014
01:32:40,139 --> 01:32:42,642
Guys that are out on the street.
"Why didn't they go back?"
2015
01:32:42,850 --> 01:32:45,520
People ask all the time.
I say, "Don't ask me, ask them."
2016
01:32:45,728 --> 01:32:47,706
What'll they tell you?
Here's what I hear them say.
2017
01:32:47,730 --> 01:32:50,983
"I take responsibility for
the crime that brought me here.
2018
01:32:51,192 --> 01:32:53,444
I now understand where
that behavior came from
2019
01:32:53,653 --> 01:32:55,571
because I've gone back
in my life,
2020
01:32:55,780 --> 01:32:57,240
and I've looked at all of that.
2021
01:32:57,448 --> 01:33:00,660
But I am not
that human being anymore.
2022
01:33:00,868 --> 01:33:04,747
That's what arts programming
many times gives prisoners hope,
2023
01:33:04,956 --> 01:33:08,209
because arts deal with
the internal essence
2024
01:33:08,417 --> 01:33:10,002
of what it means
to be a human being.
2025
01:33:16,759 --> 01:33:21,597
Vipassana is an intense program,
a meditative technique.
2026
01:33:21,806 --> 01:33:25,935
The inmate has to go through it
24 hours a day
2027
01:33:26,143 --> 01:33:29,438
- for a 10-day period of time.
- I spent eight and a half years
2028
01:33:29,647 --> 01:33:31,148
on death row,
and this was harder.
2029
01:33:31,357 --> 01:33:33,776
All the stuff
that's buried down deep,
2030
01:33:33,985 --> 01:33:35,444
they come up gradually.
2031
01:33:35,653 --> 01:33:37,572
They want you there long enough
2032
01:33:37,780 --> 01:33:39,991
that you actually deal
with your stuff.
2033
01:33:40,199 --> 01:33:41,659
She says...
2034
01:33:46,455 --> 01:33:49,166
This is a restorative
justice workshop.
2035
01:33:49,375 --> 01:33:51,627
They're very rare,
and they are much harder
2036
01:33:51,836 --> 01:33:54,797
on perpetrators of crimes
than sitting in a prison cell.
2037
01:33:55,006 --> 01:33:57,091
It puts these guys face to face
2038
01:33:57,300 --> 01:33:59,343
with the human consequences
of their actions.
2039
01:33:59,552 --> 01:34:01,304
This is Rosa.
2040
01:34:01,512 --> 01:34:03,514
Her son was killed
in a drive-by shooting.
2041
01:34:03,723 --> 01:34:06,517
And now, she devotes her life
to telling inmates
2042
01:34:06,726 --> 01:34:09,854
serving time for murder what
the effect was of their crime
2043
01:34:10,062 --> 01:34:12,690
not just for the deceased
but on everyone.
2044
01:34:32,168 --> 01:34:34,170
- Thank you. Thank you.
- Thank you.
2045
01:34:53,481 --> 01:34:55,149
You know what?
2046
01:35:03,115 --> 01:35:04,992
Restorative justice programs
2047
01:35:05,201 --> 01:35:07,703
and victim/offender
reconciliations can take years.
2048
01:35:07,912 --> 01:35:09,997
They require a staff
and resources
2049
01:35:10,206 --> 01:35:11,749
and they're incredibly
successful.
2050
01:35:11,957 --> 01:35:13,501
Those who go through
these programs
2051
01:35:13,709 --> 01:35:15,961
have as low as 10% rates
of reoffending
2052
01:35:16,170 --> 01:35:20,299
as opposed to the 80% failure
rates prisons shamefully have.
2053
01:35:20,508 --> 01:35:22,611
We sit there perplexed like,
wow, what are we gonna do
2054
01:35:22,635 --> 01:35:24,178
about this criminal
justice system?
2055
01:35:24,387 --> 01:35:27,431
It's such a mess.
2056
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:31,560
Maybe if we just stopped doing
these things that we're doing
2057
01:35:31,769 --> 01:35:35,564
and we try on a whole new set
of other things,
2058
01:35:35,773 --> 01:35:38,943
it might turn out to be a little
bit simpler than we thought.
2059
01:35:39,151 --> 01:35:43,989
The biggest prison we have
is an invisible prison.
2060
01:35:44,198 --> 01:35:47,076
It's the conditioned mind,
and you don't know
2061
01:35:47,284 --> 01:35:49,495
you're in the prison because
you can't see bars.
2062
01:35:49,704 --> 01:35:51,330
You can't see walls.
2063
01:35:51,539 --> 01:35:54,291
And the conditioned mind
is the separate mind.
2064
01:35:54,500 --> 01:35:55,835
It doesn't exist.
2065
01:35:56,043 --> 01:35:57,837
We are part of
a collective mind,
2066
01:35:58,045 --> 01:36:00,840
and if the collective mind
is violent, then we are violent.
2067
01:36:01,048 --> 01:36:03,926
And you can change that.
2068
01:36:04,135 --> 01:36:07,471
There's an opportunity here
for us to take the wisdom
2069
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:09,265
that we know works,
what we would do
2070
01:36:09,473 --> 01:36:11,393
for our own kids if our own kids
were in trouble,
2071
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:13,227
and do it for everybody's kids.
2072
01:36:15,020 --> 01:36:17,815
We need to end the war on drugs.
2073
01:36:18,023 --> 01:36:20,609
We have to demand
once and for all
2074
01:36:20,818 --> 01:36:25,156
an end to policing
and prisons for profit.
2075
01:36:25,364 --> 01:36:28,075
At least half of the people
in there are in there
2076
01:36:28,284 --> 01:36:29,744
for crimes of addiction
2077
01:36:29,952 --> 01:36:32,037
or economic desperation
or mental health.
2078
01:36:32,246 --> 01:36:33,914
Instead of just throwing
everybody
2079
01:36:34,123 --> 01:36:35,963
that we've decided
we can't help into prison...
2080
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,128
Use the money for restorative
justice programs,
2081
01:36:39,336 --> 01:36:42,548
rehabs, and social services.
2082
01:36:42,757 --> 01:36:44,967
There has to be
citizen oversight
2083
01:36:45,176 --> 01:36:48,095
and accountability
for all our public servants.
2084
01:36:48,304 --> 01:36:50,514
Luckily for us, we have access
to all of the data.
2085
01:36:50,723 --> 01:36:53,893
If you have any interest
in justice or equal access
2086
01:36:54,101 --> 01:36:55,686
to opportunity in this country,
2087
01:36:55,895 --> 01:36:57,521
all the data,
luckily, is out there.
2088
01:36:57,730 --> 01:37:00,149
It's just a matter
of whether you give a shit.
2089
01:37:00,357 --> 01:37:03,944
Our survival depends
on being logical.
2090
01:37:04,153 --> 01:37:07,823
Our survival depends
on being smart.
2091
01:37:08,032 --> 01:37:12,912
And our survival depends
on love...
2092
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:15,664
for each other....
2093
01:37:15,873 --> 01:37:17,875
And, um...
2094
01:37:18,083 --> 01:37:20,127
love for yourself.
2095
01:37:23,255 --> 01:37:25,382
And a good
Monday morning to you.
2096
01:37:25,591 --> 01:37:29,178
California man finally free
after serving 16 years
2097
01:37:29,386 --> 01:37:31,347
for a crime he didn't commit.
2098
01:37:31,555 --> 01:37:33,140
I didn't think
it was real until I saw
2099
01:37:33,349 --> 01:37:36,477
my attorneys in visiting, and...
2100
01:37:36,685 --> 01:37:38,854
I'm trying to describe
the feeling.
2101
01:37:42,900 --> 01:37:44,777
It was an unbelievable feeling.
2102
01:37:44,985 --> 01:37:49,073
It was just an emotional
roller coaster that, you know...
2103
01:37:49,281 --> 01:37:51,033
I mean, I cried walking out.
2104
01:37:51,242 --> 01:37:55,287
It was just the magnitude
of all these years
2105
01:37:55,496 --> 01:37:57,414
and, like, now here it is.
2106
01:37:57,623 --> 01:37:59,416
And then a moment later,
2107
01:37:59,625 --> 01:38:01,293
I would be too bewildered to cry
2108
01:38:01,502 --> 01:38:04,046
and I would just be...
2109
01:38:07,883 --> 01:38:10,427
That... that whole day
was really scary for me.
2110
01:38:10,636 --> 01:38:13,556
A lot of people, like,
think that they would be like,
2111
01:38:13,764 --> 01:38:18,352
"Yay," but I was terrified.
2112
01:38:18,561 --> 01:38:21,647
There were well-wishers...
Well-wishers there of officers
2113
01:38:21,856 --> 01:38:24,692
that knew the...
I think they knew the truth
2114
01:38:24,900 --> 01:38:26,777
and certainly knew
the character,
2115
01:38:26,986 --> 01:38:28,404
you know, my character.
2116
01:38:28,612 --> 01:38:30,406
And then
I was in the parking lot.
2117
01:38:34,076 --> 01:38:36,704
The air smelled different.
2118
01:38:36,912 --> 01:38:38,289
I wish my mom
could've been there.
2119
01:38:38,497 --> 01:38:39,957
I wish my dad
could've been there.
2120
01:38:40,165 --> 01:38:41,645
I wish my stepmom
could've been there.
2121
01:38:45,462 --> 01:38:47,047
But I think in a way they were.
2122
01:38:49,508 --> 01:38:52,261
And it was good.
It was good.
2123
01:38:54,638 --> 01:38:58,392
Like, once I got on the other
side with my attorneys,
2124
01:38:58,601 --> 01:39:01,270
I just felt like running,
like just getting as far away
2125
01:39:01,478 --> 01:39:03,647
from that place
as I possibly could.
2126
01:39:03,856 --> 01:39:06,317
That's probably not the answer
2127
01:39:06,525 --> 01:39:09,194
that everybody would think
that I would have.
2128
01:39:09,403 --> 01:39:14,241
But... it wasn't
a joyous time for me.
2129
01:39:14,450 --> 01:39:16,660
I mean, like, I literally
was scared to death.
2130
01:39:16,869 --> 01:39:18,412
My cousin was waiting for me.
2131
01:39:18,621 --> 01:39:20,414
My private investigator
was waiting for me,
2132
01:39:20,623 --> 01:39:24,668
and I said... you want to hear
what I actually said?
2133
01:39:24,877 --> 01:39:30,049
And I looked at Paul,
and I said, you know...
2134
01:39:30,257 --> 01:39:31,717
"Let's get this stuff
in the truck
2135
01:39:31,926 --> 01:39:33,928
and get the fuck out of here."
2136
01:39:34,136 --> 01:39:36,263
And we couldn't leave
fast enough.
2137
01:39:38,849 --> 01:39:42,478
The first place we stopped
at was IHOP for some breakfast.
2138
01:39:42,686 --> 01:39:48,108
And I was, like,
amazed at just the syrup menu.
2139
01:39:48,317 --> 01:39:51,445
It just was overwhelming, like,
2140
01:39:51,654 --> 01:39:53,072
it was completely overwhelming.
2141
01:39:57,493 --> 01:39:59,703
I haven't been in a vehicle
2142
01:39:59,912 --> 01:40:03,499
without being chained at my feet
and with a waist chain
2143
01:40:03,707 --> 01:40:06,085
and then handcuffs hooked
to the waist chain
2144
01:40:06,293 --> 01:40:10,047
and in a paper jumpsuit
for 26 years.
2145
01:40:13,384 --> 01:40:15,219
? I am a man
2146
01:40:15,427 --> 01:40:17,262
? I am a man
2147
01:40:17,471 --> 01:40:19,515
? I am a man
2148
01:40:19,723 --> 01:40:23,769
? I am a man
'cause you said I am
2149
01:40:26,313 --> 01:40:29,608
The word "adjustment," I mean...
2150
01:40:29,817 --> 01:40:32,319
I try to...
I try to figure that word out.
2151
01:40:32,528 --> 01:40:34,279
Do I have to...
2152
01:40:34,488 --> 01:40:37,783
I'm still trying to figure
that word out.
2153
01:40:37,992 --> 01:40:41,787
Like, how do you adjust coming
from the planet Mars to Earth?
2154
01:40:41,996 --> 01:40:45,082
I don't even think the oxygen
is the same up there.
2155
01:40:45,290 --> 01:40:47,042
I don't think
I'm adjusted at all.
2156
01:40:47,251 --> 01:40:51,296
? It's impossible
to be invincible
2157
01:40:54,008 --> 01:40:58,387
? But maybe it's possible
to be impossible
2158
01:40:58,595 --> 01:41:00,264
? I am a man
2159
01:41:00,472 --> 01:41:02,474
? I am a man
2160
01:41:02,683 --> 01:41:04,560
? I am a man
2161
01:41:04,768 --> 01:41:08,856
? I am a man
'cause you said I am
2162
01:41:10,607 --> 01:41:11,942
? Yeah
2163
01:41:14,820 --> 01:41:16,864
? I am a man
2164
01:41:17,072 --> 01:41:18,949
? I am a man
2165
01:41:19,158 --> 01:41:21,118
? I am a man
2166
01:41:21,326 --> 01:41:25,456
? I am a man
'cause you said I am
2167
01:41:26,957 --> 01:41:28,375
? Yeah
2168
01:41:30,627 --> 01:41:33,088
? Oooh
2169
01:41:56,737 --> 01:42:00,866
? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh
2170
01:42:01,075 --> 01:42:04,078
? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh
2171
01:42:04,286 --> 01:42:07,081
? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh
2172
01:42:07,289 --> 01:42:10,250
? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh
2173
01:42:10,459 --> 01:42:13,337
? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh
2174
01:42:13,545 --> 01:42:16,507
? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh
2175
01:42:16,715 --> 01:42:19,593
? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh
2176
01:42:19,802 --> 01:42:22,805
? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh
2177
01:42:23,013 --> 01:42:25,849
? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh
2178
01:42:26,058 --> 01:42:29,061
? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh
2179
01:42:29,269 --> 01:42:32,231
? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh
2180
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:35,275
? Ohh, ohh, ohh, ohh
2181
01:42:35,484 --> 01:42:38,320
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