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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,960 One, three and five, but the last part of it... 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,280 HE HUMS 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,560 Oh. Just doesn't sound good. 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,960 If you're in the harmony game, you learn to scorn harmonies like that. 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,120 The harmony game. 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,360 # Hello, darkness, my old friend 7 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:28,160 # I've come to talk with you again... # 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,640 Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel made their debut in the harmony game 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,800 over 50 years ago. 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,800 # Left its seeds while I was sleeping... # 11 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,400 And it was this song, The Sound Of Silence, 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,200 which catapulted them from obscurity to worldwide fame 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,240 in the summer of 1965. 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,800 # Within the sound of silence... # 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:01:00,280 They grew up here, in Forest Hills, Queens, a suburb of New York City. 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,040 They were neighbours and classmates at the local primary school. 17 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,080 And they bonded here at Forest Hills high. 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,520 Barely in their teens, they formed a band, 19 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,160 and called themselves Tom and Jerry. 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,960 Mindful, perhaps, that a pair of Jewish schlemiels 21 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:20,600 called Simon and Garfunkel might not easily catch on. 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,840 Their very first song was recorded in 1957. 23 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,680 It was called Hey, Schoolgirl, and sold a modest 100,000 records. 24 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,440 And you can hear echoes of their childhood heroes, The Everly Brothers. 25 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,040 # Hey, schoolgirl in the second row 26 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,240 # The teacher's looking over, so I gotta whisper way down low... # 27 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,680 Their first album was released in October 1964. 28 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,680 It was a synthesis of folk and rock, called Wednesday Morning, 3AM. 29 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,480 And it disappeared without trace until one year later, 30 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,720 one song, The Sound Of Silence, was resurrected and re-released 31 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,480 with the inspired addition to the original recording 32 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,400 of bass and drums and an electric guitar. 33 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,480 # And the sign said the words of the prophets 34 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,840 # Are written on the subway walls 35 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,000 # And tenement halls... # 36 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,920 And the rest, as they say, is history. 37 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:23,280 # The sound of silence. # 38 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,880 Tonight's film is an intimate, insider view 39 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,000 of Simon and Garfunkel's final and most successful album. 40 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,480 The miraculous Bridge Over Troubled Water. 41 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,160 This is a portrait both professional and personal 42 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,000 of two artists at the very peak of their powers, 43 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,520 and at the moment of dissolution. 44 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,440 The album, which was recorded in 1970, 45 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:52,440 is a chronicle of the potency and fragility of their time together, 46 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,480 and a response to a decade in American life 47 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,120 of unprecedented turmoil and political unrest. 48 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,920 The combination of the two is what makes Bridge Over Troubled Water 49 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:06,720 so eerily powerful and effecting. 50 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,120 - Did we go on stage before? - No, no, no. 51 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,080 Why Don't You Write Me, Feelin' Groovy... 52 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,400 'With The Graduate becoming a hit and Bookends coming out,' 53 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,880 at that point, we had four out of the top five albums. 54 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:55,880 Feelin' Groovy, Scarborough Fair, Only Living Boy, At The Zoo, 55 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,240 Emily, Anji, Sound Of Silence. 56 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,120 'Oh, we were on top of the world, we were lucky sons of guns. 57 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,360 'Our toes were twinkling. 58 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,720 'There's nothing that brings out your talent than hit records. 59 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,320 'It puts you in such a good mood, 60 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,360 'that you rise to the height of your stuff. 61 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,440 'You know that girls are available, 62 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,520 'you know that the world is waiting 63 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,120 'for the next thing you're going to put out.' 64 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,680 The kids are doing it again, one year later, how long can this go on? 65 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,400 Lew Burdette! 66 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,800 THEY BOTH LAUGH 67 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,120 'It was a marvellous time for Paul and Artie, and for me,' 68 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,440 because each day was better than the day before. 69 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,120 'They kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger.' 70 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,280 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 71 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:44,440 Approaching the mic was really fun. 72 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,600 Here comes something I really feel confident with, 73 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,840 because the world is relating to what we're doing. 74 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:00,920 # And here's to you, Mrs Robinson 75 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,840 # Jesus loves you more than you will know 76 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,240 # Whoa, whoa, whoa 77 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,840 # God bless you please, Mrs Robinson 78 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:13,640 # Heaven holds a place for those who pray 79 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:16,400 # Hey, hey, hey 80 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,600 # Hey, hey, hey... # 81 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:24,280 'After The Graduate, Mrs Robinson, our confidence level was... 82 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:26,120 'you know, very high. 83 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,880 'And we thought, "Hey, why don't we do that?"' 84 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,760 If we think it's a good idea, probably it is a good idea. 85 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,600 It's a certain freedom that you get 86 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,960 when you're, kind of, sitting on top of the world. 87 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,840 # Stroll around the grounds until you feel at home 88 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:46,040 # And here's to you, Mrs Robinson 89 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,840 # Jesus loves you more than you will know 90 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:51,720 # Whoa, whoa, whoa 91 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,560 # God bless you, please, Mrs Robinson 92 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,080 # Heaven holds a place for those who pray 93 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:00,920 # Hey, hey, hey 94 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,680 # Hey, hey, hey... # 95 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,160 'When Simon and Garfunkel, 96 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,280 'who were not called Simon and Garfunkel at the time, 97 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:21,800 'auditioned for Columbia Records, 98 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:27,040 'the engineer who was...recorded the audition was Roy Halee.' 99 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,680 And he said, "If you sign those guys I would love to be the engineer." 100 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,040 I'd just broken into Columbia Records as a mixer, 101 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,000 and I was assigned to do their audition. 102 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,840 And that's how I met them, that's how we started. 103 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:46,880 And that was the Wednesday Morning AM album 104 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,720 which became their first release. 105 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:03,440 I was doing practically everybody in Columbia Records in the pop vein. 106 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:08,920 In walked these guys, from nowhere, and just knocked me out totally. 107 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:14,400 # I can hear the soft breathing of the girl that I love... # 108 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,480 'I just wanted to work with them.' 109 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,440 Just, "Put me from now on with Paul and Artie." 110 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,960 You know. "You can have everybody else." 111 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,200 Roy Halee was one of the great engineers of his time, 112 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,680 and, er...and a genius with the echo. 113 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,840 And he would... 114 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,880 ..play around with echo, you know, all the time. 115 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,400 You'd come into the studio, he'd say, "Listen to this." 116 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,800 You know, it was great to work with him. 117 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,360 He...he was just thinking, and he was involved, 118 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,520 and he had a tremendous enthusiasm. 119 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,480 He had great energy. 120 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,880 'I could actually sense what Paul Simon was thinking. 121 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,600 'I was always thinking, what would go nicely, 122 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,680 'what colour would be really beautiful in this song,' 123 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,080 or very commercial in this song. 124 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,320 We were, in truth, a threesome, 125 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,920 and Roy Halee was the driver in many of these things. 126 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,040 Because at this point in our lives, 127 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,160 we were moving from the song to the record, 128 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,520 and the record is sound itself. 129 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,280 So we were playing with sound. 130 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,440 That was the age when technologically, 131 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,560 you could give them an amazing treat in their earphones, 132 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,120 cranked out loud. 133 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,720 And so, let's serve them 134 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,640 the greatest sonic experience we could do. 135 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,240 There's more than just the song going on. 136 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,160 There was a certain thing, a chemistry that happened, 137 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,080 I think, between the three of us. It just clicked. 138 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,840 They were very comfortable, and I loved the sound. 139 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,800 I thought... I'm classically trained, 140 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,720 and I thought the sound was extremely classical-sounding. 141 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,200 And at the same time, being very pop. 142 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,640 With Simon and Garfunkel, he really invented, well... 143 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,280 or he got the sound. And this was the sound. 144 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,400 We would sing, uh... 145 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:13,040 um...a take together on mic, on one mic. 146 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,560 And when we got the take that we wanted, 147 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:20,080 then we would double it, individually. 148 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,680 I would sing my part individually, on mic, 149 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:26,960 and Artie would sing his individually on mic. 150 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,120 And when you combine them together, 151 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,400 and they would be, you know, perfectly in sync, 152 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,080 that's what Simon and Garfunkel sounded like. 153 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,960 That was what the sound was. 154 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,240 Without a doubt, that was the sound. 155 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:44,000 Many times, I was talked into, by someone, you know, 156 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,360 "Let's put them on separate tracks 157 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,640 "so we have control later," you know what I mean? 158 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,440 And that sound was never the same. 159 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,320 Once you separated those two voices. 160 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,960 The way they blended together in one point... 161 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:04,720 The harmonic structure or whatever it was was magical. 162 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,680 THEY HARMONISE 163 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:08,800 HE WHISTLES 164 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,880 # Do-do-do-do-do... # 165 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,120 I know. 166 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,960 # Ain't you got no rhymes for me? # 167 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,280 'We'd do a show, come back to the Holiday Inn, sit on end of the bed. 168 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,560 'Paul would noodle along with something he's writing, 169 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:32,840 'I'd be listening and thinking of the record we're going to make of this. 170 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,200 'And when three or four of them were ready to be recorded, every few months, 171 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,200 'we would go in the studio and put 'em down.' 172 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,800 Basically, I'd come in with a song and a lick and the two of us 173 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,160 who had already learned our harmony and knew how to do it 174 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,680 and Roy knew how to do it. 175 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:51,960 Nobody gets dragged to the top of the charts. 176 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,320 We were playing that game in those days. 177 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:55,880 Delightfully. 178 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:01,400 It was tough for a single would be what I think, but having finished Bookends, 179 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,120 it was in of itself the beginning of a new album. 180 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,800 The Boxer was written 181 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,120 perhaps a year before... 182 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,200 that album. 183 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,600 We would go to get certain musicians like Charlie McCoy, 184 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,280 playing the bass harmonica on The Boxer. 185 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,960 That was done in Nashville. 186 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,600 That was before we were all over the place. 187 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,600 I'd played guitar with Fred Carter Jr. 188 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,520 He was a really good picker and he made up the lick, 189 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,680 that starts the top of the thing. 190 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,880 But we were so locked in together playing this acoustic thing, 191 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,040 we probably did two or three takes, 192 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,920 it must have been like 5-6 minutes of straight boom. 193 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,320 Travis picking locked. 194 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,280 The harmonics of those two guitars - 195 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,960 the way they beat against each other - there is a tone, 196 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,560 beautiful tone that runs through that whole verse. 197 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,680 # I am just a poor boy 198 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:14,040 # Though my story's seldom told 199 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,600 # I have squandered my resistance 200 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,600 # For a pocketful of mumbles such are promises 201 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,840 # All lies and jest 202 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:30,840 - # Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. - # 203 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,120 We would pitch to Roy as if he was our big brother 204 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:39,200 and we were playmates, Paul and I, in the notes, the chords, the changes. 205 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,280 And we'd serve up ideas to Roy 206 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:47,040 and that was one - we went to the church at Columbia. 207 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,800 We liked the tiled dome. We did our la-la-lahs, 208 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,200 stacked up in harmony. 209 00:12:55,680 --> 00:13:00,320 All the la-la-lahs were done in that chapel at Columbia University. 210 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,960 So this meant the field crew had to go to the chapel, 211 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,080 set up all the machines. Well, they thought I was totally insane, 212 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,120 which I probably was. 213 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,480 # Lie-la-lie 214 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,920 # Lie-la-la-lie-la-lie 215 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,960 # La-la-la-la-lie. # 216 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:25,840 It has that wordless chorus and, I tried to make up a chorus. 217 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,000 But I couldn't think of anything, 218 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,960 so I just left it at the lie-la-lie which is really a... 219 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,200 one of the best things about it because from country to country, 220 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,120 people sing that. 221 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:43,560 When we went into the studio Artie said he wrote this little instrumental section. 222 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:48,040 He sang it and it was really lovely so we said just put it in, 223 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,120 we'll take that verse out. 224 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,760 My melody was like a lot of melodies I wrote in our records, 225 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:11,080 if you're the harmonist, you're always playing the game of given these chords and that main line, 226 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,320 what would harmonise with it and stay in the chords. 227 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:19,680 And what kind of games can you play with larger and smaller intervals where the melody... 228 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,520 Bach played the same game. 229 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:28,080 And we did it with a... a Bach trumpet, a real high trumpet. 230 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,400 And a pedal steel, where we would take the attack off 231 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,640 and blend the sound so that you couldn't tell what the sound was... 232 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,360 And the mixture of those two sounds, 233 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:44,120 I've had people from all over the world, honestly, ask me, what is that sound? 234 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,800 How did you guys get that sound? 235 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,800 Roy Halee had a great habit of walking around the studio in LA 236 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,800 or New York, and he would clap, 237 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,520 he would walk all over the studio clapping, 238 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,680 and when he heard a certain echo, 239 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:06,760 he would say put the drums here or put the mic here, whatever it was. 240 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,800 Columbia Records at that time had fabulous hallways. 241 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,440 Their hallways were their echo chambers. 242 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,160 They were really, really fine. 243 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:22,560 I bet Barbra Streisand's voice is still floating around somewhere in one of those hallways. 244 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,360 You could put anybody in a hallway, 245 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:29,680 those hallways - it was like putting them in a cave, it was incredible. 246 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,000 He found a place right in front of the elevator doors, 247 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:40,040 he said we'd do the overdub right here. I had these massive drums. 248 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:46,080 So I set up a chair, headsets, 249 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,280 and I was listening to # la-di-dah #, 250 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,400 Bang! And I was smashing these two drums. 251 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,680 Humongous explosions. 252 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:03,240 And all in perfect synchronisation as my hands were coming down, 253 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,760 the elevator door opened and there was probably an 85-year-old 254 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,680 security guard standing there who thought he was just killed. 255 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:15,240 He said "Whoa! what's going on here? What are you guys doing?" 256 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,360 It was really funny. The guy was shocked. 257 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,000 Can you imagine how loud that was! 258 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,000 The Boxer was more, complicated from a technical standpoint. 259 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,240 I could literally write a book on how that was recorded and created. 260 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,680 We ran out of tracks, we had to run machines, 261 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,480 you know, wild track things in, 262 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,160 but can you imagine taking all of this back? 263 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,280 Now we've got to mix this together. 264 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:44,760 I got Columbia, by the way, to get us a 16 track machine on the strength of - 265 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,920 I swear this is a true story, 266 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,240 bringing Clive Davis into the control room, 267 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,600 played the record for him and showed him how we had to do it. 268 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,400 We got our 16 track machine. 269 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,760 I thought that a record had a capital R from the moment I started making them. 270 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,280 When you go into the studio and you're a kid at first, 271 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:11,320 if you're 14, these are big concepts, the studio and making records. 272 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:18,000 If you can put it on record, it might last for a long time if it is very good. 273 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:26,160 I was one of the members of a group of musicians in Los Angeles, California called the Wrecking Crew. 274 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:33,120 They were Hollywood's go-to band that made hit records. 275 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:37,240 They were just astute about what's danceable and fresh. 276 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,480 Somebody must have said along the line, 277 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,720 you've got to try these guys because they are really really good. 278 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,080 Well, they are more than good, you know. 279 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,880 Those musicians, in my experience, were the most creative 280 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:56,240 and the best players that you could possibly have in a studio. 281 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,240 Roy Halee, who was pretty much on top of his game, 282 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,800 knew the musicians who were making the records and so forth. 283 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,280 You know what was fabulous about Hal too? 284 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,200 The most creative percussionist on the planet. 285 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,600 He would be doing a Sinatra session in the day 286 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,560 and then he would go do a movie score at night 287 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,200 and he would do Phil Spector, then he would come and work with us. 288 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,600 Somehow they got to me. 289 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,480 They wanted me and Joe and Larry. 290 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,160 Joe Osborn and Larry Knechtel. 291 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:32,320 The three of them, Larry and Joe and Hal worked as a unit very well 292 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,960 and very quickly and understood each other. 293 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,720 Joe and Larry and I - they used to call us the Hollywood Golden Trio. 294 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,520 Or the HGT. 295 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:49,400 They came from different musical backgrounds. 296 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,240 But they meshed and they played on a lot of records, 297 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:57,040 all the Mamas and Papas records, the Beach Boys records. 298 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,520 They were the big LA studio band. 299 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,840 I got involved with Paul and Artie 300 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,720 when they started the Bridge Over Troubled Water album. 301 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,120 98% of the time it was the three of us 302 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:14,200 along with Paul would play and Art would do a scratch vocal 303 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,960 so we got something to play to. 304 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,440 It was basically that rhythm section. 305 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,440 We're rehearsing the band for the concerts next week. 306 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,880 HE HUMS 307 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,960 HE SCATS 308 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,280 # Cathy, I'm lost I said, 309 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,400 # Though I knew she was sleeping. # 310 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,400 This is new for us to be working with a band. 311 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,080 We decided to take along to our concerts, the fellows 312 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,120 who we've been making our records with for the last two years. 313 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:05,720 These Life Savers were sent up here - whoever sent them, thank you... 314 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,280 LAUGHTER 315 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:12,760 On that 1969 tape of us being on the road, 316 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,040 bringing in our band on the road for the first time, 317 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,560 there's me on the record saying, 318 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,600 "Here's a song you haven't heard yet" and I'm just so earnest and straightforward. 319 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,440 This is also one of our new songs, 320 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,040 it's called Bridge Over Troubled Water... 321 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,880 'That's the name, folks - you react however you want.' 322 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,920 PIANO INTRO 323 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:46,080 # When you're weary 324 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:52,040 # Feelin' small 325 00:20:53,240 --> 00:21:00,960 # When tears are in your eyes 326 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,880 # I will dry them all... # 327 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,800 It was quite amazing, 328 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,960 the first few times that Artie sang Bridge Over Troubled Water, 329 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,040 because people hadn't heard it. 330 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,280 And, you know, 331 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,440 he would say, "Here's a new song that's coming out on our album," 332 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:23,320 and he'd sing this song and people would...you know, like, erupt. 333 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,240 'It worked in just about every room I've ever sung it in. 334 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,240 'Small and big. It's a killer song.' 335 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:39,080 That 1969 live album is a really good album. 336 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:45,760 Erm... We really were good. 337 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:53,720 # Tom, get your plane right on time 338 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,680 # I know your part'll go fine 339 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:07,200 # Fly down to Mexico 340 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:12,960 # Da-doodin'-da doo-din' da-doodin'-da, and here I am 341 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,600 # The only living boy in New York... # 342 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,760 Well, if there's a theme that goes through Bridge Over Troubled Water 343 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,800 about people leaving, or something like that 344 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,520 it was certainly unintentional. 345 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,720 And the songs were written over... 346 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,440 you know, rather a long period, because The Boxer's on that album 347 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,920 but that was recorded maybe a year or so before 348 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,200 the rest of the album, but 349 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,800 The Only Living Boy In New York 350 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:53,160 was written about Artie going to make Catch-22 in Mexico. 351 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:57,040 And "Tom, get your plane right on time" was cos 352 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,760 when we were kids we were Tom and Jerry. 353 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,280 That was our first record. Hey, Schoolgirl - Tom and Jerry. 354 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,760 You've taken me into cheap sentiment. 355 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,840 I don't want to play my friendship with Paul on camera - 356 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,640 it's very deep, very private, and it's full of love. 357 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,000 But yeah, those songs are about a friendship... 358 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,480 I don't know how to talk about it, it's essentially a private, 359 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,240 cherished thing. 360 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:28,800 # Aaaaah, ah-ah-aaah... # 361 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,480 'The Only Living Boy In New York, where you have all those huge voices, 362 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,520 'that's, I think we sang... 363 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:41,760 'I think we put, like, 12 or 14 voices on there.' 364 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:47,160 Singing together. But we literally were standing in the echo chamber, 365 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,840 in LA. 366 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,560 I heard those voices... Rather than in the studio editing echo, 367 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,280 let's go into the echo chamber and try it. 368 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,800 Go physically into this echo chamber, into this room. 369 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,080 We really sang that whole thing right in the echo chamber, and it's... 370 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,200 ..it really has a sound, you know. I mean, it really sounds big. 371 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:15,760 # I know that you've been eager to fly now 372 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:22,680 # Hey, let your honesty shine, shine, shine now 373 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:28,160 # Da-doodin'-da doo-din' da-doodin'-da, like it shines on me 374 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,640 # The only living boy in New York 375 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,000 # The only living boy in New York... # 376 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,960 Joe Osborn is the feature on that... 377 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,520 Beside the song itself, obviously. 378 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,360 The featured musician on that song, to me, is Joe Osborn, 379 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:50,760 with that eight-string bass. 380 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,960 He played an eight-string bass like a...guitar, he played like... 381 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,760 Joe played like a guitar player. 382 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:03,320 The reason I remember this part so well is I had to re-learn that part 383 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,440 for a show in New York, for Bass Player magazine. 384 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,000 And there would be spots that were very awkward 385 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,120 to play. Going from one chord change to another 386 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:17,280 would be just...not playable. 387 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,160 And that was because of the parts 388 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,560 that Roy had spliced together from different takes. 389 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,280 Like those slides, and that melody he plays 390 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,560 on that eight-string bass - it's like this big gorgeous horn. 391 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,920 And Larry, of course, with the sustained organ part. 392 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,480 Beautiful. 393 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,560 And Hal, you know, with those drum fills, he used all those 394 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,040 tubular drums - which he had just gotten, by the way, 395 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,040 was just experimenting with them... 396 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,080 You know, those tuned... Big array of drums. 397 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,800 He played that. And of course, the voices in the echo chamber... 398 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,040 Everything just came together beautifully. 399 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:04,840 El Condor Pasa was a song that I heard 400 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,920 when I was booked to do a week at a theatre in Paris. 401 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,120 And one of the other groups was called Los Incas. 402 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,960 And they played El Condor Pasa, 403 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,120 which I used to hang around every night to hear them play that. 404 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:24,080 I loved it, and I would play it all the time, and then I thought, 405 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,280 "Why don't I just put words to it? 406 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,080 "The track exists, we don't have to cut it again. 407 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,560 "Let's just see if we can buy the track. 408 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,160 "And put words to it." 409 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,920 Which is... And that's exactly what I did, 410 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,400 because the song is hundreds of years old. 411 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,280 It's a traditional Peruvian song, 412 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,240 and almost like a national anthem of South America but certainly of Peru. 413 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,840 I came back from Mexico in the middle of Catch-22 414 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,480 and Paul said, "Listen to this track" - 415 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:00,760 and played me Los Incas, playing this Peruvian melody. 416 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,000 And I thought, "How magnificent." 417 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:09,520 # I'd rather be a sparrow than a snail 418 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,520 # Yes, I would 419 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,480 # If I could 420 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,880 # I surely would... # 421 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,920 Jorge Milchberg is the leader of that group, 422 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,800 and he played what they call "el charango", I believe, 423 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,560 it's an armadillo. 424 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,840 The outside of an armadillo, with strings. An unbelievable sound. 425 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,840 And then they would play these flutes. 426 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,360 We just had to take the track that existed. 427 00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:41,320 You couldn't remix it or bring anything up, you just... 428 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,440 That was the track, and then you put the voices on top of it. 429 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,480 And Paul had a lyric over the melody, 430 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,560 and I thought, "Wow, what a beautiful, colourful piece." 431 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,920 To place it right after Bridge, is deft, I think. 432 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,960 I enjoy that a lot, that transition. 433 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,840 GUITAR INTRO AND CHEERING 434 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,200 # Bye-bye, love... # 435 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,200 When we were kids, I remember hearing the Everly Brothers, 436 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,520 and we went to buy their record, and in order to buy their record 437 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,400 we had to go get on a bus, get a transfer, get on another bus... 438 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,200 Go all the way into Jamaica, to this record store - buy the record... 439 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,920 Take the two buses back, listen to it, 440 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,320 flip it over and listen to the other side, 441 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,160 try and learn the harmonies... 442 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,920 There's not too many, you know, 443 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,400 singers that I can say I was really a fan. 444 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,480 Bye Bye Love, if I can read us right back in the old days, 445 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,400 sounds exactly like what we felt wanted to be in the album, 446 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:57,040 to keep this thing full of surprise and variety. 447 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,280 There was nothing like Bye Bye Love - 448 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,280 we knew we did it pretty well from our earliest years. 449 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,840 We brought it into our concerts, we loved that the audience 450 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,240 would do a backbeat to it, and if we got record-making serious, 451 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:16,360 we could help the 10,000 audience give us a nice, tight backbeat. 452 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,400 And Roy had his machines backstage with the big cables fed in, 453 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,480 and we put down various audiences and picked the best. 454 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,680 I went with them, 455 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,960 we went around to practically every college in the country and recorded. 456 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,080 And all we recorded were the audience clapping. 457 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,520 It was Paul's idea, "Wouldn't it be great, 458 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,720 "instead of just handclaps in the studio, 459 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,720 "let's go out and record an audience clapping." 460 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,360 And that's how it came about. 461 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,680 It's pretty much the way we recorded it, 462 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,200 I think we might have enhanced it with, er... 463 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,040 ..handclaps. I think we might have augmented the handclaps and... 464 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,800 ..fooled around with the echo kind of things. 465 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:12,480 But essentially that was a live recording, 466 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,800 and a tribute to Don and Phil, those guys were our heroes, you know. 467 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,080 And eventually we got to perform with them 468 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,720 when we did the reunion tour in 2003. 469 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,080 That was great. 470 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,920 We loved, you know, playing with them. 471 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,840 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 472 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,800 - NEWSREADER: - In a scene described by one investigator 473 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,160 as reminiscent of a weird religious rite, 474 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,440 five persons, including actress Sharon Tate, 475 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,040 were found dead at the home of Ms Tate and her husband, 476 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,520 director Roman Polanski. 477 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,800 We were living in this house on Blue Jay Way, 478 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,800 that George wrote his song about, the summer of the Manson murders. 479 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,800 And the town was really tense, especially up around there. 480 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:13,280 And we were sitting around one night, my brother and Artie and me, 481 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,800 and I think another friend, or two or three other friends, 482 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,600 maybe six or seven people. 483 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,840 Sort of just, you know, hanging out partying, 484 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:28,920 and we started, like, pounding on things and making a rhythm. 485 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,720 That is a vivid memory 486 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:36,640 and it really comes through the cockles of the mind so easily. 487 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,560 Why do I know that one so well? 488 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,840 It was just so infectious from the start. 489 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,840 We liked our Sony Sound On Sound tape recorder, big silver thing. 490 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,520 Once we kicked on the reverb button, 491 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,840 it gave you a kickback of every sound, quite loud and pronounced, 492 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,960 and the kickback was a good quarter of a second. 493 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,400 So you could play your Levi's on your thighs with your hands, 494 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,720 as Paul and I did, into that rhythm, 495 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,920 and work out a little pattern which has an accentuation to it. 496 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,720 PERCUSSIVE INTRO TO CECILIA PLAYS 497 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,160 When the thighs had a pattern, 498 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,800 and Paul's brother Ed was just giving us a solid 4/4 499 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,880 on the piano bench, cos it's just a little cushioned, 500 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,480 "Doo, doo, doo, doo." 501 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,360 We were starting to like it. 502 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,200 Stuey Scharf, our friend from the east, 503 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,480 played a junky guitar that was around the house, 504 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,280 with its strings tuned out, and he gave you a, 505 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,320 "chun, ba-ba dum, ba-ba dum, 506 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,160 "Ah, chun, ba-ba dum, ba-ba dum, ah." 507 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,200 That was a wonderful quirky spike in our pattern. 508 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,600 So we did that all night long or for a couple hours. 509 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,360 Perhaps we lost track of time. 510 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,640 And listening back to it, 511 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,760 there was a section of about a minute and 15 seconds 512 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,120 that was such a good groove that I said to Roy, 513 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,880 "This minute and 15 seconds is so great 514 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,480 "we should make a loop out of it." 515 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,400 So, I mean, this is the days of analogue, 516 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,320 so to make a loop out of it, 517 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,920 you literally had to have a loop of tape 518 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:27,640 between tape machines, and this minute and 15 seconds got repeated 519 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:34,160 and became the rhythmic basis of it. 520 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,840 They brought it back down to the studio and I said, "Woo! 521 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,240 "We can do all kinds of things with this with reverb," 522 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,320 I love to play around with different reverbs and delays, which we did. 523 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,080 "Chuk-achucka, chuk-achucka," 524 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,960 you know. And then the creative process started. 525 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,000 # Cecilia 526 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,080 # You're breaking my heart 527 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,280 # You're shaking my confidence daily 528 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,880 # Oh, Cecilia 529 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,520 # I'm down on my knees... # 530 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,240 And then just play the simple guitar. 531 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,640 I don't when I wrote the song or how I wrote the song. 532 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:20,040 Cecilia is the goddess of music. Anyway, I had the song. 533 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,440 We sang it and it sounded like that straight away. 534 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,080 We said, "Wow, that's...that's, you know, that's... 535 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,520 "That's pretty hooky with a really good rhythm." 536 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,240 # Making love in the afternoon 537 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:36,200 # With Cecilia 538 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,320 # Up in my bedroom 539 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,400 # Making love 540 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,880 # I got up to wash my face 541 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:49,120 # When I come back to bed someone's taken my place... # 542 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,200 I ran into a soldier coming back from Vietnam. 543 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,280 He said, "When we heard that record, 544 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,040 "we knew things were really changed in the States." 545 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,600 Just that line. He said, "Woah, man. You can say that in a song now? 546 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,520 "It's like a different country." Which never occurred to me. 547 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,240 To me it was like an old joke. It seemed like some old joke. 548 00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:20,000 We went to the parquet floor of Columbia's Gower Street. 549 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:27,000 Big studio, in '69. This is where you would have gone in Hollywood. 550 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:33,200 There were no strings. It was Paul and I with bunches of drumsticks. 551 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,400 We dropped them on the parquet floor. 552 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,560 That was wonderfully ticky-tacky. That went into the record. 553 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,320 In the mid-range. 554 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,480 Then we sent Paul out on the xylophone that was 555 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,320 hanging around the studio. 556 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,560 He doesn't play xylophone but we said, 557 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,080 "If Roy compresses the sound so that tonality is bleached out, 558 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,880 "it doesn't matter what notes you play." 559 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,520 # Oh, oh-oh,oh,oh 560 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,960 # Oh, oh-oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 561 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,000 # Oh, oh-oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh... # 562 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,960 In that particular case, that was a fun thing. That was like, "Wheee! 563 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,360 "Let's have fun." 564 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,360 But I still think they worked on one mic 565 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,160 because I was so...obsessed with that. 566 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,480 I really was. It was like an obsession. "What do you mean? No. 567 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,720 "We can't do that!" 568 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,040 Fun. 569 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,920 When they were out in California in '68, they met Chuck Grodin. 570 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:42,200 They also met at that time two television producers who 571 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:49,680 laid out to them a marvellous format for them to present their music 572 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,680 and a television special. 573 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,880 I had met Art Garfunkel when we did Catch 22, 574 00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,720 I guess somewhere in the year prior to Songs Of America. 575 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:05,720 My previous experience writing and directing in television was 576 00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:09,520 that I had been fired three times over a six-week period 577 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,680 from Candid Camera. 578 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,960 That was my total background. 579 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,560 Hardly somebody who would be chosen to write and direct 580 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,960 the Simon and Garfunkel special, the only one. 581 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,280 At the peak of their fame, when Bridge Over Troubled Water. 582 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,360 I had this idea, which I presented to Paul and Art 583 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,400 that this special should reflect how it influenced what 584 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,400 Paul was writing about - the Vietnam War, the Poor People's March, 585 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,160 equal rights for people and how this feeds in to his songs, 586 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,240 one way or another. 587 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,400 Chuck had a take on helping with our show and was the director 588 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,920 and stamping its nature. 589 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,680 It has a lot of heart, it has a lot of sociological awareness. 590 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,680 # Cathy, I'm lost, I said 591 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,600 # Though I knew she was sleeping 592 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:06,840 # I'm empty and aching and I don't know why 593 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,400 # Counting the cars on the New Jersey Turnpike 594 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:17,440 # They've all come too far, America 595 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:24,160 # All come too far, America... # 596 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,160 AT&T was the sponsor. I'd laid out for them. 597 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,920 Every single thing that you see in the final version of 598 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,960 this Songs Of America. 599 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,720 Poor People's March, Cesar Chavez. 600 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:40,640 Paul and I visited with Cesar Chavez, it was all down on paper. 601 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,960 When it was finished, 602 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,000 they sent their representative from NW Ayer Advertising 603 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,400 and he was furious. 604 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,960 He was livid at me. 605 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,800 I was alone in a room with him and he said, 606 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,960 "You're using OUR money to sell YOUR ideology." 607 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,800 I was 34 years old. I looked like I was 26. 608 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:04,200 I really had no idea what he meant. I said, "What's my ideology?" 609 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,480 He said, "Humanistic approach." 610 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,720 I said, "You mean there are people against the humanistic approach?" 611 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:15,440 He said, "You're goddamn right there are. 612 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,320 "The southern affiliates of AT&T are not going to appreciate 613 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,840 "seeing black and white kids going to school together. 614 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,240 "They're not going to appreciate it. 615 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:26,160 "This is going to offend a lot of AT&T southern affiliates." 616 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,120 I thought I had just left the world. 617 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,440 I think we were naive kids from the northeast who thought 618 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,040 that's the way the world was and everybody thought that way. 619 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,240 But they didn't. 620 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,240 I must remind you that starving a child is violence. 621 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,920 Suppressing a culture is violence. 622 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,280 Neglecting school children is violence. 623 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,920 Punishing a mother and her family is violence. 624 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,560 This was a big awakening to me - the humanistic approach. 625 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,080 Then they said, "We'd like you to make some changes." 626 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,440 I said, "Like what?" 627 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,320 "When Coretta King says poverty is a child without an education. 628 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,280 "I'd like you to lower the volume on that." "I said, "To what level?" 629 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,200 He said, "Inaudible." 630 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:22,600 # I'd rather be a sparrow than a snail 631 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,520 # Yes, I would 632 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,360 # If I could 633 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,480 # I surely would 634 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,080 # Hmm-mm... # 635 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,080 The sponsor, which was AT&T, really disliked it 636 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:44,240 and withdrew their sponsorship, after having paid for the whole thing. 637 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,080 The powers of centralised America had to find a mesh with 638 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:53,680 how much Simon and Garfunkel want to talk about poverty in America. 639 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:59,880 What our take is of the Vietnam War. That's essential to the show. 640 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,800 We would hear a very interesting behind the scenes 641 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,600 confrontation with Simon and Garfunkel and America as it was. 642 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,360 Good evening. I'm Robert Ryan. 643 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,360 Tonight, the Alberto-Culver company, 644 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,800 makers of the famous Alberto VO5 products, bring you 645 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,720 Simon and Garfunkel and their first TV special, Songs Of America. 646 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:24,600 These two young men have attracted 647 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,600 a tremendous following among the youth of America with 648 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,240 their lyrical interpretation of the world we live in. 649 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,520 Alberto-Culver just came up with 860,000 650 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,320 and they had Robert Ryan, the late actor Robert Ryan, 651 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,560 he came on before with a kind of apology, explaining, we feel that 652 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,360 these two artists have earned the right to have their voices heard. 653 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,320 It was like, "Don't look at me, boss. 654 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,080 "We feel they've earned the right." 655 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:57,920 By the end of the first commercial, the Robert Kennedy funeral train, 656 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,000 one million people shut off the television set. 657 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,320 One million people shut it off right there. They didn't want to see this. 658 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,360 They thought they were getting a straight entertainment special 659 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,600 and it was political. 660 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:15,480 It was anti-war and it was. I guess it was liberal. 661 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,840 # When you're weary 662 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,480 # Feeling small 663 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:40,320 # When tears are in your eyes 664 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,880 # I will dry them all 665 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,960 It was the first time that Bridge Over Troubled Water was played 666 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:54,120 and was played over footage of the trains that carried Jack Kennedy 667 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,160 and Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King funeral 668 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,240 so it was played over those three people. 669 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:05,120 The sponsor said, "It isn't balanced." 670 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,160 We said, "What isn't balanced about it?" 671 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,960 They said, "Well, they're all Democrats." 672 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,520 We said, "We think of them all as assassinated people, you know." 673 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,120 # I will lay me down 674 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:25,680 # Like a bridge over troubled water 675 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:31,840 # I will lay me down... # 676 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,800 We got a telegram from Ethel Kennedy after that. 677 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,680 This is after Robert Kennedy had been assassinated. 678 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:47,960 She appreciated that there were people out there...who were 679 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:53,040 interested in people who needed somebody to reach out to them. 680 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:59,840 We got hate mail. That was like the time of America, love it or leave it. 681 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:04,080 We got plenty of that. "You don't like it here, get out." 682 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,040 As far as the show did that night, it got killed by a Peggy Fleming 683 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,640 ice skating special, which will tell you where the country 684 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:18,440 was at much more than anything else that I can say. 685 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:23,200 I guess, in retrospect, that's something to be proud of 686 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:28,680 because we spoke up for who we were in our generation. 687 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,800 That's who we were. 688 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,520 We're staying in the Beverly Wilshire Hotel. 689 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,760 I'd get my guitar and I'd head downstairs. 690 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,600 I'd get in the elevator to go to the studio. 691 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,480 In the elevators, they have newspapers. 692 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,720 I'd see the headlines on the newspapers and I'd think, 693 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,280 "Why am I going to make this album? 694 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,200 "What's the point in this album, the world is crumbling?" 695 00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:58,960 Beethoven's, uh... 696 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,680 ..200th birthday is coming up, did you know that? 697 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,080 Beethoven was writing this part, 698 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:10,720 and parallel fifths were scorned, ironically. 699 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:16,280 Beethoven said, "Where is there a law that says you can't write in parallel fifths? 700 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,040 "Where did that law come from? 701 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,440 "I'm writing parallel fifths, I say you can." 702 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,760 He was a fool, Beethoven. 703 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,880 Somebody else's 200th birthday is coming up in not so long. 704 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,200 - 200th birthday? - Yeah. - Who's that? 705 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,720 Americas. 706 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,400 Think it's going to make it? 707 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,040 For me, most of all, it has the vibe between Simon and Garfunkel, 708 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,200 and when I look at it nowadays I go, "Gee, we were so bonded. 709 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,840 "Our sense of humour is inside, we knew each other, what we're talking about." 710 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,120 It comes off nice on-screen, it's like a scrapbook photo for me, 711 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,000 it warms my heart to see this early Paul and Artie. 712 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,560 My favourite moment is I'm sitting off-camera, 713 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,400 I asked Paul if he had any other aspiration, "Like what?" 714 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,320 I said, "Well, would you ever think of running for office? 715 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,080 "You know, be President?" 716 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,640 Oh, I don't know. 717 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,320 Some days. 718 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:27,200 Why are you smiling? 719 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,200 - Some days you'd like to be President? - Some days I wouldn't want to be President. 720 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,000 What do you feel like the days you want to be President, why would you want to be? 721 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,280 Straighten it all out. 722 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,120 And get on back to my songwriting in peace! 723 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,720 I would like to develop myself as an artist, as much as I could. 724 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,120 And to be President, I just don't have time, really I don't. 725 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,080 See, he wants to develop himself as an artist, Chuck. 726 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,600 You have no time to be President? 727 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,800 I feel I'd make the time. 728 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,560 LAUGHTER 729 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,600 You're singing against a B minor and B major on the track, 730 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,360 - so I don't suggest you chord this... - OK, what do we have? 731 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,040 ..it's going to be very dissonant, so what I suggest is you hold the F sharp. 732 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,400 SINGING WITH PIANO 733 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,800 - Did you get that, Mac? - Yeah, that's around 23. - Right. 734 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,640 'So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright' was kind of interesting, 735 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,400 the changes, the chord changes, because it's a Brazilian influence, 736 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,240 but I don't know, really, how I did it. 737 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,000 When I got the call to work on 'Bridge Over Troubled Water' 738 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,200 they called me to work on 'Keep The Customer Satisfied' 739 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,480 and 'So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright'. 740 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,160 MUSIC PLAYS 741 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,160 Love it. 742 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,800 Love it, love it love it. 743 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,760 I think it's a string quartet, it's kind of buried, as I recall, 744 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,520 but very tasty - Jimmy's a fine musician, you know, a fine musician. 745 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,360 That's it, we got it. 746 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,400 'Artie was an architecture major at Columbia.' 747 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,720 Yes, Mort. 748 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:28,440 All right, I've had an interesting afternoon. 749 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,720 And he loved Frank Lloyd Wright, so it was 'So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright'. 750 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:34,120 You hear me on the end of it? 751 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,920 # So long already... # 752 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,320 So long, already, Artie! 753 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:41,840 It's in the fade. 754 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:47,680 You listen to it and you'll hear Artie, riffing over and over again, 755 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,280 and this voice way in the distance saying, 756 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,600 "So long already, Artie!" 757 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,680 I'm out in LA and Paul said, 758 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,160 "I've written what I think is my greatest song, 759 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,240 "and I want to play it for you." 760 00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:06,960 And I'm sitting in a chair, 761 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,480 and he played 'Bridge Over Troubled Water'. 762 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:17,400 And, you know, if your around the music business all your life, 763 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,760 every now and then, maybe once a decade, 764 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:27,360 you'll hear a song that's so striking, so powerful, so unusual, 765 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,960 and 'Bridge Over Troubled Water' was that for me. 766 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,880 I have no idea where it came from. 767 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:42,280 It just came all of a sudden, you know. 768 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:47,000 One minute it wasn't there, and the next minute the whole line was there. 769 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,240 It was one of the shocking... 770 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,400 ..one of the shocking moments in my songwriting career, you know. 771 00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,040 And at the time I remember thinking, "This is really... 772 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,200 "..considerably better than I usually write." 773 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,840 But that is how fast it came. 774 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,000 HUMMING NOTES TO 'Bridge Over Troubled Water' 775 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:23,320 All of a sudden I sang that line and I sort of just stopped. 776 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,360 And then I sang it twice. 777 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,440 I said, "Oh, you can sing it twice in a row." 778 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:32,000 But that's a pretty long melody, especially for a pop song. 779 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,680 And then I wrote the lyrics, and then I showed the lyrics to... 780 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,440 I said to Artie, "I wrote this song and I think you should sing it." 781 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,160 The hold damn song is a gem. 782 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,400 I love running through the line from top to bottom 783 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,400 and delivering Paul's intentions. 784 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:58,040 "If you're down and out, let my lucky gift of a voice be a friend." 785 00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,680 "Lucky gift." 786 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:04,040 You shake out the human condition so you can be as honest as you can 787 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,520 about these beautifully written words. 788 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,480 The first thoughts were, those lyrics are too simple. 789 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:15,320 They're very - "When you're weary, when you're feeling small, 790 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:22,000 "when evening falls so hard, I'll comfort you, I'll take your part" - 791 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,720 they're just too simple. 792 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:29,800 And, of course, that's what really made it... 793 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,120 ..so universal. 794 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,840 I remember distinctly, Paul coming in the control room and he said, 795 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,440 "I think I've wrote something really over the top, this is really good." 796 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,600 And he sat and he played it and sang. 797 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,680 And that's how it started. 798 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,280 # When you're weary 799 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,480 # Feeling sad 800 00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:04,120 # When peace is all you seek 801 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:10,880 # I will be there, whooo 802 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:16,480 # To bring you sleep... # 803 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,320 Artie and I, and Roy Halee, were working with Larry Knechtel. 804 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,680 Larry Knechtel was the piano player. 805 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,960 And we spent two or maybe three days... 806 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,360 ..just making up the piano parts - because I wrote it on guitar. 807 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,240 I showed Larry the song and he - 808 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:47,920 mostly Larry, but all of us - sort of combined 809 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,200 to make up what it is that we heard in terms of gospel piano. 810 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,640 I sat at the piano at the end of each verse 811 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,520 of Bridge Over Troubled Water and said, "Let's work out how we turn around." 812 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,440 After the Like A Bridge Over Troubled Water set twice, 813 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:07,200 how are we going to come around chord-wise to the quiet set-up of the next verse? 814 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,120 So here was this piano piece that he wrote 815 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,600 and it was, you know, beautifully written. 816 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:22,160 Fortunately for us, he had an extensive knowledge of gospel music 817 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:29,000 because we hadn't used him in that capacity before. 818 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,040 In fact, he plays bass on a bunch of our records. 819 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,560 Larry Knechtel had already put his part on. 820 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,160 He and Art went in and did the piano part. 821 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:45,720 And then we went in with the bass and drums and did overdub to that. 822 00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:52,040 And then we overdubbed the strings in the big studio in Hollywood. 823 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,440 Ernie Freeman did the arrangement. 824 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,600 I sent a demo to the arranger 825 00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,160 and the arranger came back and handed it out to everybody 826 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,760 and it said on it, "Like A Pitcher of Water." 827 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,480 You know? We said, "What is this?" 828 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,560 He said, "Well, that's the song." 829 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,280 So I thought, "Well... 830 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,120 "that's how much attention he's paid to this demo - 831 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,720 "he didn't even hear the words right!" 832 00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:21,720 He just heard "Like A Pitcher of Water." 833 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,360 So I still have that framed at home. 834 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,040 Then we went back to New York and we worked on Artie's vocal. 835 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,000 That was the last thing we did - we went and worked on Artie's vocal. 836 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,680 And here it goes. 837 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,440 'That was his time to really show his chops.' 838 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,360 # When you're weary. # 839 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,000 The fact is from the moment I locked on to that melody 840 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,880 and the fun of singing, 841 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,320 it was a thunderous reaction. 842 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,080 It always has been. 843 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:56,520 # When tears are in your eyes 844 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,880 # I will dry them all. # 845 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,320 Art sang the song very powerfully. 846 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,200 I heard Art do the song at the vocal mic, 847 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,960 getting the sound for the mic 848 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,160 and sung Bridge Over Troubled Water... 849 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,880 a cappella and it was chill bumps. 850 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:23,680 # ..And friends just can't be found 851 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:31,920 # Like a bridge over troubled water 852 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,400 # I will lay me down 853 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:44,080 # Like a bridge over troubled water 854 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:50,120 # I will lay me down. # 855 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,800 It was a great two-verse song 856 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,040 with the most heartfelt of lyrics. 857 00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,400 It needed nothing. But the record-maker in me 858 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,600 loved the notion that these two verses could be a set-up 859 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,160 for an as yet unwritten third verse 860 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,360 and we could be calling this all runway material 861 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,400 for a take-off that's waiting. 862 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:19,480 Roy Halee and Artie said, "You have to write a third verse. 863 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,200 "The song wants to be bigger. It wants to be a really big song." 864 00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:28,280 And I said, "No, it doesn't. It's a little hymn. It's just a little hymn. 865 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:29,680 "That's the way I hear it." 866 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,400 And they said, "No, no, really, you have to write a third verse." 867 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,320 So I wrote a third verse in the studio, which I never do, 868 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,960 you know, I always take a long time to write. 869 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,240 But I wrote this one in the studio. 870 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:49,200 - # Sail on, silvergirl... # - Paul's mic? 871 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,720 # Sail on by 872 00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:57,720 - # Your time has come... # - Where's my mic? 873 00:56:57,720 --> 00:56:59,000 Hold it. 874 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:08,080 # ..All your dreams are on their way 875 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:12,600 # See how they shine 876 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,160 # Oh 877 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,440 # If you need a friend 878 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:25,840 # I'm sailing right behind 879 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:33,920 # Like a bridge over troubled water 880 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,600 # I will ease your mind 881 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:46,080 # Like a bridge over troubled water 882 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:51,120 - # I will ease your mind. - # 883 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,240 Those wonderful words and that triumph 884 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,040 of an airplane taking off... 885 00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,080 From the moment the song was written, 886 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,680 and I had the great fun of execution, the two together worked. 887 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,480 Well, I didn't think it was a smash, 888 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,680 but I thought it was something really exceptional. 889 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:31,280 I thought it was probably too long for a commercial record. 890 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,160 It was all piano up until the last verse. 891 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,120 It just... 892 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:45,160 I didn't think that it was... I didn't think that it was a hit. 893 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:49,400 I thought Cecelia was going to be a hit, which it was. 894 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,480 So you always knew the animal called the single 895 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,000 and knew what was an album piece that was really happening, 896 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,320 this seemed the latter. 897 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,240 As a single, too slow, too long. 898 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,680 Clive Davis came in the studio, president of CBS, and said, 899 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,760 "I want to get behind it all the way. 900 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,680 "It's the title of your album. It is the first single. 901 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,480 "Be unapologetic about such a slow song 902 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,360 "because I'm going to get behind it with faith." 903 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,720 I knew it was exceptional and... 904 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,640 ..the first time I heard it on the radio... 905 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,400 ..I knew that it was a hit because it sounded huge 906 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,000 just with the voice and the piano. 907 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,480 And if a song jumped out of the radio, 908 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:45,440 that meant there was some kind of magic in the way you cut it. 909 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,320 There was a moment in time 910 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,240 when Bridge Over Troubled Water didn't exist at all, 911 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,920 and then there was another moment when it did, or it started to. 912 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,120 Where does it come from, what actually happens, 913 00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,360 were you in the shower one day? 914 00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,960 I was listening to some music by a gospel group 915 01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,360 called the Swan Silvertones. 916 01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,040 And I heard, uh... 917 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,600 It was the music that was in my mind most of the time and every time 918 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,560 I'd come home I'd put that music on and I'd listen to it 919 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,760 and I think that must have subconsciously influenced me 920 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,360 cos I started to go to gospel changes. 921 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,200 HE PLAYS GOSPEL GUITAR 922 01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,960 And that's how that fell in. 923 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,640 I write for various reasons. 924 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:47,080 Some songs I write for the pleasure of writing a song. 925 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,680 It doesn't have any great meaning, it's just a song. 926 01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,120 Songs are nice. 927 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,000 Some songs you try and express yourself emotionally. 928 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,480 Those are different songs for me, 929 01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,560 and they express what I feel 930 01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:08,440 and they relieve tensions that I feel when I express them. 931 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,680 # Here is my song for the asking 932 01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,120 # Ask me and I'll play 933 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:27,200 # So sweetly I'll make you smile 934 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,200 # This is my tune... # 935 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,640 I love that song, Song For the Asking is an under-appreciated gem. 936 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,560 Of all of Paul's statements from the heart, 937 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,760 this is one of the supreme songs 938 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,000 I don't hear mentioned enough. 939 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,240 I never hear it covered, why doesn't somebody do that, 940 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,400 it's just a gem of a song. 941 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,640 Song For the Asking which I think closes the record... 942 01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:00,400 Well that was my, one of my little solos, you know, 943 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,760 I guess we were balancing out songs 944 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:08,640 that were solos and songs that were sung together. 945 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,640 And, er... 946 01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,680 it's a pretty sweet song, 947 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:18,480 you know, straight ahead. 948 01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,160 Almost embarrassing. 949 01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,240 It's Paul's calling card, you know? 950 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,280 When you think about what he's saying, 951 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,040 here's my song for the asking, ask me and I will play. 952 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,360 It's a great statement from a human being 953 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,240 because thinking it over, 954 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,520 I have been sad, I don't have to be this person. 955 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:41,000 It's great stuff for a lover to say. 956 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:46,440 Give me a chance and I'm dying to pour my heart out to you. 957 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:52,640 Well, you know, I think in the notes of apology 958 01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:59,320 that show up in album after album, um, that's just to say 959 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,920 I haven't forgotten what I did 960 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,240 to various people. 961 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:13,800 You know, I was not an angel, that's for sure. 962 01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:19,640 That is really the big break of Bridge Over Troubled Water. 963 01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,440 Up until then we sang all the songs together, 964 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,480 but on Bridge Over Troubled Water there was like, 965 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,760 well, Artie's singing almost all of Bridge Over Troubled Water himself 966 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,440 and then I join in at the end, 967 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,640 he's singing verses of So Long Frank Lloyd Wright, 968 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,640 I'm singing the bridge, 969 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,520 I'm singing Baby Driver sort of by myself, 970 01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:48,360 I'm singing most of Only Living Boy by myself then he joins in 971 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,400 on the harmony, so we had begun to separate 972 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,360 how we would have made albums. 973 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,400 Separating the voices 974 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:04,280 so it was more like a Beatles record than an Everly Brothers record. 975 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:09,240 Where you knew the two voices 976 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,920 and the two characters well enough 977 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:18,800 that we could each have our own songs and, um, 978 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:24,520 it would feel natural and that's the first time that we 979 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:31,640 did that and probably would have been the pattern for the next album 980 01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,320 or two or however many albums 981 01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,760 we would have made had we stayed together. 982 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,760 Um, it's just the way it worked out. 983 01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,320 Like Bridge, Artie was...that was his song. 984 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:49,840 Paul said, that's your song, you can do that song, that's you. 985 01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,040 There were two things left off Bridge. 986 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:57,600 One was a song called Cuba Si Nixon No... 987 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,640 It was about a hijacking, about a guy hijacking a plane to Cuba 988 01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,760 and Artie really didn't like that song. 989 01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,760 - Standing up! - We stay on the four. 990 01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,320 I was voting against it in those days, 991 01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:19,320 thinking it doesn't represent our more thoughtful selves. 992 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,760 It was the only one Paul ever wrote in this fountain of delight, 993 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,280 it was the only time I put my finger on a spigot 994 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:30,480 and said, I have a hard time getting behind that lyric. 995 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,120 All right, then start on the lower note. 996 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,320 Just let me get the chords before I get the note. 997 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,800 You sing it and get the vocals in your head and then I'll learn it. 998 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,880 And then there was a Bach piece that Artie really wanted 999 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,920 to put on the album and I really didn't want 1000 01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:49,360 to put a Bach piece on the album, and we argued about both of those songs and finally we said, 1001 01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,520 look, forget it, that's it, it's done. 1002 01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:57,400 Put it out the way it is and in a way, kind of interesting, 1003 01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,680 they were both indications of where we each wanted to go. 1004 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,760 I wanted to go more towards something rough and political 1005 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,760 and he wanted to go towards something classical. 1006 01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,600 I was hard-nosed about it in those days showing that we were 1007 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,200 working together too much, we needed a rest. 1008 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,920 Today I look at it and I go, it's a good rock 'n' roll song. It swings. 1009 01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,160 What's the problem? You can say these things. 1010 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,800 In those days I thought Cuba, Si. Nixon, No - 1011 01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:29,520 "It's to too easy to mistake for simplistic political talk." 1012 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,920 That's what I said in those days. 1013 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,800 Where I was heading...musically, 1014 01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:41,080 or what I was interested in musically, was not a continuation of 1015 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:46,880 The Everly Brothers two-part harmony 1016 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:51,120 that we based our sound on in the beginning. 1017 01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:55,080 It was evolving and separating anyway. 1018 01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:59,040 And I think that would have been inevitable. 1019 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,760 'I can't see myself doing this five years from now' 1020 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:07,360 I speak of the whole spiritual sphere, 1021 01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:12,000 that whole...aspect about my life. 1022 01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,960 This entertaining.... 1023 01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:19,960 ..it has nothing to do with that. 1024 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:27,240 To say that, yes, that's all I have to do is to be a professional songwriter... 1025 01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,440 ..or as entertainers is inaccurate. 1026 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,880 I'm doing a lot else, personally. 1027 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:38,720 When Bridge Over Troubled Water was over, I wanted a rest from Paul. 1028 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,320 The amount that we were in the studio and in each other 1029 01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,520 and duelling for what makes the great record that knocks 1030 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,760 the kids out the most, that duel was tiring. 1031 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,800 So I would've loved a rest from what we were doing. 1032 01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,920 No next project with Paul for a year, please. 1033 01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:57,000 But then... 1034 01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,240 ..I loved where we were at. 1035 01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:06,480 When you say when it was over, you couldn't ask for a luckier place to be. 1036 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,120 People really getting what you're doing 1037 01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:13,200 and you're invited to stretch out creatively and take the top higher. 1038 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,000 This is what we're here for, no? 1039 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,640 I think that there would've been one more album. 1040 01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,280 It would've been a very hard album to follow, 1041 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,200 because there wasn't any way to get bigger than 1042 01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:29,080 Bridge Over Troubled Water, I mean that was grandiose... 1043 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,960 ..in all kinds of ways. 1044 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,760 Gee, my memories of what you're talking about, 1045 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:40,040 our era and the fun of making records that chased after 1046 01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,920 The Beatles, as creative and as wonderful sonically. 1047 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:48,640 We used to think there are about ten aspects of record-making. 1048 01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,640 The grooves the musicians establish - very important. 1049 01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,840 The songs, its lyric, its melody, the changes, 1050 01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,200 the engineering. 1051 01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:01,480 Well, if you can do 80/90% of those things first rate 1052 01:09:01,480 --> 01:09:04,840 you can come out with a Good Vibrations. 1053 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:09,080 So we were chasing after those wonderful records cos 1054 01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:12,200 the rock 'n' roll era of the '60s was open-ended at the top. 1055 01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,880 It was a very, very long-lasting, 1056 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:23,240 rewarding experience dealing with two guys who...we all loved music. 1057 01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:27,480 I grew up with them, we all grew up together 1058 01:09:27,480 --> 01:09:30,880 so it makes it very special, they're like family. 1059 01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:36,480 When you hear their song, and you do their record, 1060 01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:40,240 it's almost a religious experience. 1061 01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,320 It's a wonderful, wonderful thing. 1062 01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,880 There's so many different things in this album. 1063 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:51,200 It's not all just big orchestra sound, it's the rhythm sounds. 1064 01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:55,840 And the sounds in it are different. 1065 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,520 And things that people want to learn and play. 1066 01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:07,560 Because I was focussing on record-making and writing songs 1067 01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,960 and blending with Artie, I never really paid attention 1068 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:16,440 to like how unique the voice was. 1069 01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:19,560 You couldn't miss Art Garfunkel's voice. 1070 01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,520 It really was an extraordinary voice - and still is. 1071 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,960 He turns me on and I turn him on 1072 01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:30,320 and when we met each other at 11, we'd give each other a charge. 1073 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:35,320 I recognised him as the cool kid in the neighbourhood, the live wire. 1074 01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,360 And he recognised me as the same, 1075 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:41,920 and we were buds right from the beginning and we turned musical immediately. 1076 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:48,440 Our blend knocked us out as did our sense of humour 1077 01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:51,840 and sense of being unbounded by the Queens neighbourhood 1078 01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:56,240 but having a notion of taking it somewhere 1079 01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:06,200 # And the years are rolling by me They are rockin' evenly 1080 01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,240 # I am older than I once was 1081 01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:13,840 # And younger than I'll be that's not unusual 1082 01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:19,720 # It isn't strange after changes upon changes 1083 01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,320 # We are more or less the same 1084 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:26,360 # After changes we are more or less the same 1085 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,600 # Li-la-li 1086 01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,360 # Li-la-la-la-li-la-li 1087 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,480 # Li-la-li 1088 01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:41,440 # Li-la-la-la-li-la-li La-la-la-li. # 1089 01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,600 APPLAUSE AND CHEERING 1090 01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,120 # When you're weary 1091 01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,520 # Feeling small 1092 01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:51,320 # When tears are in your eyes 1093 01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:59,200 # I will dry them all 1094 01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:04,480 # I'm on your side 1095 01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:12,480 # When times get rough 1096 01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:19,200 # And friends just can't be found 1097 01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:27,800 # Like a bridge over troubled water 1098 01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:32,680 # I will ease your mind 1099 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:41,480 # Like a bridge over troubled water 1100 01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:53,040 # I will ease your mind. # 1101 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,120 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd 1102 01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,240 E-mail subtitling@bbc.co.uk 93205

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