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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,840 I jumped out of the way and said oh my 2 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,879 god this plane is gonna crash this thing 3 00:01:28,879 --> 00:01:31,960 came right across north to south 4 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:34,250 incidentally I was a private pilot so I 5 00:01:34,250 --> 00:01:36,889 have some familiarity with their glided 6 00:01:36,889 --> 00:01:40,490 over my house and there was no sorry but 7 00:01:40,490 --> 00:01:42,439 I thought that kind of a boomerang shape 8 00:01:42,439 --> 00:01:44,960 oh my god that's a wingspan I've never 9 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:46,220 seen anything like that they were 10 00:01:46,220 --> 00:01:47,960 reported by at least one commercial 11 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:54,109 airline pilot it passed right in front 12 00:01:54,109 --> 00:01:58,360 of us just about right above eyes length 13 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:07,940 no I don't hear anything what in the 14 00:02:07,940 --> 00:02:10,329 hell is that 15 00:02:12,020 --> 00:02:14,870 I came out second after Monica and I 16 00:02:14,870 --> 00:02:16,220 remember looking at it was coming over 17 00:02:16,220 --> 00:02:19,370 the mountain and it was like almost is 18 00:02:19,370 --> 00:02:21,500 why it is one of the humps and it was 19 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:23,900 very low it's coming across the sky and 20 00:02:23,900 --> 00:02:26,180 as it's moving it's blocking and 21 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:29,120 unblocking the stars there is actually a 22 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,970 shape it was more like a boomerang like 23 00:02:31,970 --> 00:02:35,600 a straight V and then the lights were 24 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,050 spaced pretty evenly it was actually 25 00:02:39,050 --> 00:02:42,020 five lights that were a V one in front 26 00:02:42,020 --> 00:02:44,660 two and two on each side and it was 27 00:02:44,660 --> 00:02:47,240 perfect it was a perfect triangle if you 28 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,550 can imagine something the size a 29 00:02:49,550 --> 00:02:53,530 Camelback Mountain floating down 30 00:02:53,530 --> 00:02:56,869 Scottsdale Road you have some idea of 31 00:02:56,869 --> 00:02:59,240 the intensity of this thing the object 32 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,610 we saw if we opened up a newspaper you 33 00:03:01,610 --> 00:03:03,440 could not block out the object that we 34 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,330 saw people say Mike no you saw a b-2 35 00:03:05,330 --> 00:03:07,700 bomber my response was we could land all 36 00:03:07,700 --> 00:03:09,500 40 of our b-2 bombers on the wing of 37 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:11,960 that craft you know is it's it's one of 38 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,990 the biggest things I've ever seen that 39 00:03:14,990 --> 00:03:17,179 they moved like that I mean it was just 40 00:03:17,179 --> 00:03:19,970 enormous it happened last night and 41 00:03:19,970 --> 00:03:22,160 eyewitnesses who saw it say it's like 42 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,319 nothing they've ever seen before I don't 43 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:25,580 know if it was as big as an aircraft 44 00:03:25,580 --> 00:03:29,270 carrier it might have been because I've 45 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:33,949 never seen an aircraft carrier fly it 46 00:03:33,949 --> 00:03:36,620 barely missed that mountain yeah came 47 00:03:36,620 --> 00:03:39,230 floating over the night so had you not 48 00:03:39,230 --> 00:03:40,730 looked up you wouldn't know no my 49 00:03:40,730 --> 00:03:42,200 daughter it was 8:30 at night my 50 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,990 daughter was coming over here and she 51 00:03:44,990 --> 00:03:47,060 ran in and said mom you have got to see 52 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:47,480 this 53 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,520 there was such an uproar about what 54 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,160 people described seeing that we also did 55 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,099 a story about it back in 1997 the first 56 00:03:55,099 --> 00:03:57,650 report of a strange flying object came 57 00:03:57,650 --> 00:04:00,230 at about 8:20 that night from a former 58 00:04:00,230 --> 00:04:02,720 police officer in hauled in Arizona over 59 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,610 the next 40 minutes people gave similar 60 00:04:04,610 --> 00:04:07,190 reports of an object along a 200-mile 61 00:04:07,190 --> 00:04:10,340 route south to Phoenix and Tucson it was 62 00:04:10,340 --> 00:04:12,800 a gunmetal black it wasn't shiny it 63 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,840 wasn't invisible it was more of a dull 64 00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:19,700 bluish black color and they both just 65 00:04:19,700 --> 00:04:20,720 stayed there and looked at it for a 66 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,340 couple minutes and that was completely 67 00:04:22,340 --> 00:04:23,410 silent 68 00:04:23,410 --> 00:04:25,670 when you look down the street on a hot 69 00:04:25,670 --> 00:04:27,710 day in Phoenix above the streets like 70 00:04:27,710 --> 00:04:30,230 it's really wavy and you see everything 71 00:04:30,230 --> 00:04:32,210 kind of distorted I asked what it looked 72 00:04:32,210 --> 00:04:34,150 like up inside the middle of the craft 73 00:04:34,150 --> 00:04:36,920 it was just gliding and then it stopped 74 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,530 and then it like the sides retracted a 75 00:04:39,530 --> 00:04:42,580 little and then it was gone 76 00:04:42,580 --> 00:04:45,200 acceleration to deceleration it was no 77 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,950 noise the whole time and not a sound 78 00:04:47,950 --> 00:04:49,850 explanations have been tossed about that 79 00:04:49,850 --> 00:04:51,020 they were flares there were planes 80 00:04:51,020 --> 00:04:53,390 flying in formation but market robbing 81 00:04:53,390 --> 00:04:54,950 we check with the FAA today we checked 82 00:04:54,950 --> 00:04:56,270 with Sky Harbor we checked Luke Air 83 00:04:56,270 --> 00:04:58,040 Force Base and there's been no official 84 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,290 explanation of those strange bright 85 00:05:00,290 --> 00:05:06,740 lights let's go I'm gonna order a you 86 00:05:06,740 --> 00:05:09,110 know investigation of this through DPS 87 00:05:09,110 --> 00:05:10,250 we're gonna make all the necessary 88 00:05:10,250 --> 00:05:11,600 inquiries and we're gonna get to the 89 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,130 bottom of we're gonna find out if it was 90 00:05:13,130 --> 00:05:15,730 a UFO 91 00:05:18,310 --> 00:05:20,590 I'm patty Kirkpatrick remember those 92 00:05:20,590 --> 00:05:22,599 mysterious lights in the sky well the 93 00:05:22,599 --> 00:05:25,000 governor says there are new leads in the 94 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:25,540 case 95 00:05:25,540 --> 00:05:27,459 good evening Arizona Governor is holding 96 00:05:27,459 --> 00:05:29,349 a news conference on the lights in the 97 00:05:29,349 --> 00:05:31,810 sky over Phoenix in March let's listen 98 00:05:31,810 --> 00:05:34,060 in and now I'll ask officer Stein and 99 00:05:34,060 --> 00:05:36,160 his colleagues to escort the accused 100 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:37,870 into the room so that we may all look 101 00:05:37,870 --> 00:05:40,238 upon the guilty party and don't get him 102 00:05:40,238 --> 00:05:46,810 too close to me please this just goes to 103 00:05:46,810 --> 00:05:48,250 show that you guys are entirely too 104 00:05:48,250 --> 00:05:59,020 serious I think what really irritated me 105 00:05:59,020 --> 00:06:00,850 was the joke the governor pulled with 106 00:06:00,850 --> 00:06:02,950 the Martian you know I just didn't have 107 00:06:02,950 --> 00:06:04,389 time for that kind of stuff 108 00:06:04,389 --> 00:06:06,370 he was just dismissing everything that 109 00:06:06,370 --> 00:06:09,240 these people had seen and said just like 110 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,460 we're all Looney Tunes and I know what I 111 00:06:12,460 --> 00:06:14,410 saw and that's not what you're telling 112 00:06:14,410 --> 00:06:16,150 me what I saw I didn't see flares I 113 00:06:16,150 --> 00:06:18,910 didn't see a 10 or Warthog so how about 114 00:06:18,910 --> 00:06:22,060 we work together and try to figure out 115 00:06:22,060 --> 00:06:25,020 what this thing is 116 00:06:46,460 --> 00:06:48,450 so when you hear someone says they saw 117 00:06:48,450 --> 00:06:50,340 UFO you what you think they're crazy yes 118 00:06:50,340 --> 00:06:56,160 I think what puzzles me is why people 119 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,530 laugh at the subject of UFOs but when 120 00:06:58,530 --> 00:07:00,600 the laughter stops everyone secretly 121 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:11,940 wants to know are they real I don't know 122 00:07:11,940 --> 00:07:13,790 if I want to know if UFOs are real 123 00:07:13,790 --> 00:07:16,140 because then that raises a lot of other 124 00:07:16,140 --> 00:07:19,230 issues who are they why are they here 125 00:07:19,230 --> 00:07:20,610 are they gonna hurt me 126 00:07:20,610 --> 00:07:24,060 do they have chocolate when I told my 127 00:07:24,060 --> 00:07:25,410 father I wanted to make a documentary 128 00:07:25,410 --> 00:07:29,220 about UFOs he said it was crazy in fact 129 00:07:29,220 --> 00:07:32,430 my whole family did and 95% of the time 130 00:07:32,430 --> 00:07:36,180 this stuff is crazy but the remaining 5% 131 00:07:36,180 --> 00:07:38,760 that is what keeps me going this man in 132 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,000 the saucer can you describe him what 133 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,310 you're mistaken dear I'm James Fox and 134 00:07:44,310 --> 00:07:46,590 I've been curious about UFOs for a long 135 00:07:46,590 --> 00:07:53,160 time very curious that evidently the Air 136 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,500 Force is curious too in pursuit of this 137 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:58,860 obligation and in 1952 they admitted it 138 00:07:58,860 --> 00:08:00,960 we have received and analyzed between 139 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,780 one and two thousand reports there have 140 00:08:03,780 --> 00:08:06,270 been a certain percentage of this volume 141 00:08:06,270 --> 00:08:09,300 of reports that have been made by 142 00:08:09,300 --> 00:08:12,390 credible observers of relatively 143 00:08:12,390 --> 00:08:17,600 incredible things all blocked up with 144 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,010 the help of investigative reporter 145 00:08:20,010 --> 00:08:22,229 Lesley came I decided to put together 146 00:08:22,229 --> 00:08:24,450 some of the best witnesses from around 147 00:08:24,450 --> 00:08:26,610 the world for this film almost ten years 148 00:08:26,610 --> 00:08:28,740 after the termination of budget looking 149 00:08:28,740 --> 00:08:30,240 at the cases and photographs you are 150 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,460 about to see represent some of the best 151 00:08:32,460 --> 00:08:35,320 evidence that UFOs are real 152 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:36,760 that's of unknown origin what were they 153 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,370 after because aneema like that came down 154 00:08:39,370 --> 00:08:42,250 on our feet as james beams were going 155 00:08:42,250 --> 00:08:44,380 down into the WSFA we are all in the 156 00:08:44,380 --> 00:08:45,970 limo and we're on the operator and the 157 00:08:45,970 --> 00:08:48,100 targets verify that several said they 158 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:49,930 were looking for fissile material here 159 00:08:49,930 --> 00:08:52,690 the same question over and over if UFOs 160 00:08:52,690 --> 00:08:55,150 are real then surely someone in the know 161 00:08:55,150 --> 00:08:59,340 would be talking so whatever we actually 162 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,680 you guys 163 00:09:08,780 --> 00:09:11,780 yes 164 00:09:18,060 --> 00:09:20,830 good evening a historic occasion will 165 00:09:20,830 --> 00:09:22,270 take place in Washington on Monday 166 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:24,550 former high-level government employees 167 00:09:24,550 --> 00:09:26,710 military officials and pilots from all 168 00:09:26,710 --> 00:09:27,779 over the world will come together 169 00:09:27,779 --> 00:09:30,909 they'll discuss their own UFO sightings 170 00:09:30,909 --> 00:09:32,439 and encounters and they'll do it at the 171 00:09:32,439 --> 00:09:34,779 National Press Club in the nation's 172 00:09:34,779 --> 00:09:37,060 capital this group has gathered together 173 00:09:37,060 --> 00:09:39,249 to call on the United States government 174 00:09:39,249 --> 00:09:40,749 to take an active role in investigating 175 00:09:40,749 --> 00:09:44,710 cases involving unidentified flying 176 00:09:44,710 --> 00:09:46,930 objects James Fox will be there Monday - 177 00:09:46,930 --> 00:09:49,479 absolutely yes to establish the fact 178 00:09:49,479 --> 00:09:51,789 that the phenomenon is real and it's and 179 00:09:51,789 --> 00:09:53,650 it's happening worldwide five-o we're 180 00:09:53,650 --> 00:09:55,539 now saying that the United States is 181 00:09:55,539 --> 00:09:57,519 taking this seriously or is this just an 182 00:09:57,519 --> 00:09:59,948 event I think the United States is 183 00:09:59,948 --> 00:10:01,990 taking it seriously and they they need 184 00:10:01,990 --> 00:10:05,078 to it's it's long overdue and you're 185 00:10:05,078 --> 00:10:06,880 gonna moderate it I'm gonna moderate it 186 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,149 I'm five Symington in 1997 during my 187 00:10:10,149 --> 00:10:12,070 second term as governor of Arizona 188 00:10:12,070 --> 00:10:14,470 I saw something that defied logic and 189 00:10:14,470 --> 00:10:17,199 challenged my reality before this event 190 00:10:17,199 --> 00:10:19,839 I met with the governor at his home to 191 00:10:19,839 --> 00:10:21,959 find out why he ridiculed the sighting 192 00:10:21,959 --> 00:10:24,579 we were in the middle of investigating 193 00:10:24,579 --> 00:10:26,589 it and just couldn't get any answers 194 00:10:26,589 --> 00:10:29,940 paralleling that activity was this 195 00:10:29,940 --> 00:10:33,250 almost hysterical environment that was 196 00:10:33,250 --> 00:10:35,079 building it the hysteria the governor 197 00:10:35,079 --> 00:10:37,300 told me what was actually going on 198 00:10:37,300 --> 00:10:39,760 behind the scenes and we called Luke Air 199 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,769 Force Base and we called the FAA and I 200 00:10:41,769 --> 00:10:43,899 called various touch base with people I 201 00:10:43,899 --> 00:10:46,240 called my general at the at the National 202 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,820 Guard nobody had an explanation people 203 00:10:48,820 --> 00:10:50,140 just sort of said well we just don't 204 00:10:50,140 --> 00:10:52,250 know what it is 205 00:10:52,250 --> 00:10:55,340 Phoenix Councilwoman Frances Barwood was 206 00:10:55,340 --> 00:10:57,170 one of the only elected representatives 207 00:10:57,170 --> 00:10:59,660 willing to push for an investigation I 208 00:10:59,660 --> 00:11:02,030 would have thought that they would have 209 00:11:02,030 --> 00:11:04,700 wanted to do an investigation but 210 00:11:04,700 --> 00:11:07,510 apparently they would rather ignore it I 211 00:11:07,510 --> 00:11:12,160 don't know why at Barr woods request 212 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,480 Senator John McCain looked into the 213 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,110 matter personally 214 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:20,320 we asked the Air Force to look into it 215 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,020 and this was the first response that 216 00:11:24,020 --> 00:11:25,250 we've got and we're gonna go back and 217 00:11:25,250 --> 00:11:32,150 and ask them to look at it again Senator 218 00:11:32,150 --> 00:11:33,770 McCain wrote letters to both the 219 00:11:33,770 --> 00:11:37,070 National Archives and the Air Force both 220 00:11:37,070 --> 00:11:39,170 claimed not to have jurisdiction over 221 00:11:39,170 --> 00:11:44,440 such matters I was kind of surprised at 222 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,660 at that response but there are people 223 00:11:47,660 --> 00:11:49,310 who said they saw things and whenever 224 00:11:49,310 --> 00:11:51,620 that happens they deserve the at least 225 00:11:51,620 --> 00:11:55,120 an investigation seems to me 226 00:11:56,460 --> 00:11:59,260 the air force explanation eventually 227 00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:01,840 provided to Senator McCain was military 228 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,970 flares dropped from a-10 warthogs 229 00:12:03,970 --> 00:12:07,770 between 9:30 and 10:00 p.m. 230 00:12:11,630 --> 00:12:18,820 oh my god I hit paydirt finally 231 00:12:18,820 --> 00:12:21,710 according to some analysts these lights 232 00:12:21,710 --> 00:12:25,100 captured on film were flares is a 233 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:27,140 totally different configuration we've 234 00:12:27,140 --> 00:12:29,720 ever seen yep but this does not account 235 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,150 for the large boomerang shaped object 236 00:12:32,150 --> 00:12:34,070 seen by the governor in hundreds 237 00:12:34,070 --> 00:12:36,350 possibly thousands of others across the 238 00:12:36,350 --> 00:12:38,900 state beginning several hours earlier I 239 00:12:38,900 --> 00:12:44,300 mean it clearly had a shape to it and it 240 00:12:44,300 --> 00:12:47,060 in a big shape and and it was a constant 241 00:12:47,060 --> 00:12:49,490 shape and you you can't control flares 242 00:12:49,490 --> 00:12:51,050 that way there's just no way they were 243 00:12:51,050 --> 00:12:55,250 flares why can't you tell us I mean 244 00:12:55,250 --> 00:12:58,130 what's it gonna hurt I would like I 245 00:12:58,130 --> 00:12:59,840 would like for them to come out and say 246 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,970 that's top secret and we're not gonna 247 00:13:01,970 --> 00:13:04,760 tell you what it was the V formation I 248 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,120 was only able to find one video taken of 249 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,590 the earlier sightings I was however 250 00:13:11,590 --> 00:13:14,330 given this video taken by an Army 251 00:13:14,330 --> 00:13:16,820 colonel a few years earlier it reminds 252 00:13:16,820 --> 00:13:18,650 me of what Arizona witnesses described 253 00:13:18,650 --> 00:13:20,950 scene 254 00:13:27,790 --> 00:13:29,710 I don't hear anything you know I don't 255 00:13:29,710 --> 00:13:32,590 hear anything what in the hell is that 256 00:13:32,590 --> 00:13:35,940 you see the stars you see through it 257 00:13:35,940 --> 00:13:40,060 right there's a Jessie it now and it's 258 00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:41,830 it's that's not planes flying 259 00:13:41,830 --> 00:13:43,240 information behind it either it's 260 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,590 another that's another triangle 261 00:13:49,060 --> 00:13:50,680 what would you say to the people about 262 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:54,670 it I'd say I saw an unidentified flying 263 00:13:54,670 --> 00:13:58,120 object of massive proportions float over 264 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,490 the City of Phoenix and Scottsdale and I 265 00:14:00,490 --> 00:14:02,260 don't have that damnedest clue what it 266 00:14:02,260 --> 00:14:05,860 was I saw it it was over my house I saw 267 00:14:05,860 --> 00:14:07,360 it for five minutes it wasn't something 268 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,790 that was a flash that I only saw for a 269 00:14:09,790 --> 00:14:11,770 second could it have been I know what I 270 00:14:11,770 --> 00:14:14,830 saw and I get very upset and I was 271 00:14:14,830 --> 00:14:16,540 wondering why they won't find out what 272 00:14:16,540 --> 00:14:18,780 it was 273 00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:36,590 govenor Symington i am bill burns from 274 00:14:36,590 --> 00:14:37,700 the History Channel 275 00:14:37,700 --> 00:14:40,760 just a quick question when you were 276 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,500 giving your press conference back in 277 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:45,560 Phoenix were there any external 278 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,940 pressures on you to defuse a situation 279 00:14:48,940 --> 00:14:52,630 in the way you did or did anyone 280 00:14:52,630 --> 00:14:55,940 instruct you not to comment on the truth 281 00:14:55,940 --> 00:14:57,590 of what was happening in Phoenix well 282 00:14:57,590 --> 00:15:00,260 the only external pressure and it was 283 00:15:00,260 --> 00:15:01,760 significant was the fact that there was 284 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,520 just this massive public reaction to the 285 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,150 the lights over Phoenix I mean we've 286 00:15:08,150 --> 00:15:10,940 just being inundated by the press and 287 00:15:10,940 --> 00:15:12,680 people coming into my office saying this 288 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,200 thing is just reaching heights of 289 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,370 hysteria and concern I'd never seen that 290 00:15:19,370 --> 00:15:20,720 before I mean I've been in office for 291 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,540 quite a while and I'd never seen kind of 292 00:15:23,540 --> 00:15:27,890 that reaction and so three of us sort of 293 00:15:27,890 --> 00:15:30,560 sat down at the end and decided to to 294 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:31,790 try to lighten the mood a little bit 295 00:15:31,790 --> 00:15:33,710 well I'd like now to set the record 296 00:15:33,710 --> 00:15:35,990 straight I never meant to ridicule 297 00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:39,530 anyone my office did make enquiries as 298 00:15:39,530 --> 00:15:41,720 to the origin of the craft but to this 299 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,330 day they remain unanswered I still don't 300 00:15:44,330 --> 00:15:47,360 know what it was as a pilot and a former 301 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,450 Air Force officer I can definitively say 302 00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:52,160 that this craft did not resemble any 303 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,990 man-made object that I'd ever seen 304 00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:56,000 well I now know that I'm not alone in 305 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,380 witnessing something extraordinary 306 00:15:57,380 --> 00:15:59,030 that's the bottom line 307 00:15:59,030 --> 00:16:01,600 there are many high ranking military 308 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,030 aviation and government officials many 309 00:16:05,030 --> 00:16:06,590 of whom are here today and share my 310 00:16:06,590 --> 00:16:09,980 concerns some of them have truly 311 00:16:09,980 --> 00:16:13,220 exceptional stories to tell hundreds of 312 00:16:13,220 --> 00:16:16,280 people saw a majestic triangular craft 313 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,320 with a span of approximately 120 feet 314 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,410 powerful beaming spotlights moving very 315 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:27,440 slowly without making any significant 316 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,010 noise but in several cases accelerating 317 00:16:31,010 --> 00:16:34,240 to very high speeds 318 00:16:34,389 --> 00:16:38,420 physical traces on the ground from the 319 00:16:38,420 --> 00:16:41,540 craft were confirmed by the local police 320 00:16:41,540 --> 00:16:45,910 the official conclusion of Japan in 1979 321 00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:49,819 was that about 15 percent of the cases 322 00:16:49,819 --> 00:16:53,870 remained unidentified after careful 323 00:16:53,870 --> 00:16:58,699 analysis by our experts for instances k 324 00:16:58,699 --> 00:17:02,690 miyazaki a signet rojito tenía una de 325 00:17:02,690 --> 00:17:05,720 Metro diametre estaba como es mal Tod o 326 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,569 con una cupula de color crema sobre una 327 00:17:08,569 --> 00:17:11,990 vez a Metallica ante a circular no tenia 328 00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:14,389 motorist Mishka pays me ventanas 329 00:17:14,389 --> 00:17:18,019 neeyala's on Tina's car Asya de todos 330 00:17:18,019 --> 00:17:20,300 los implementers typical un avión is 331 00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:23,139 Inigo sistema visible laser propulsion 332 00:17:23,139 --> 00:17:26,209 lament a lament a el tema relational 333 00:17:26,209 --> 00:17:28,639 goal of sadness san quentin weaken Tammy 334 00:17:28,639 --> 00:17:30,319 now equally important thing and clear 335 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:35,720 information falsa most UFO sightings 336 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,240 turned out to be misidentifications of 337 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,760 things such as aircraft satellites and 338 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:41,420 meteors 339 00:17:41,420 --> 00:17:45,079 but in around 5% of cases no explanation 340 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:51,889 could be found Washington DC is no 341 00:17:51,889 --> 00:17:53,389 stranger to this story 342 00:17:53,389 --> 00:17:55,550 they sausage be some kind of a secret 343 00:17:55,550 --> 00:17:58,459 weapon of ours no if they were air 344 00:17:58,459 --> 00:18:00,230 material command to be the first to know 345 00:18:00,230 --> 00:18:01,940 how about a device from a foreign 346 00:18:01,940 --> 00:18:05,329 country we know they're not what is your 347 00:18:05,329 --> 00:18:08,110 opinion colonel 348 00:18:10,030 --> 00:18:13,070 the US air force's involvement with UFOs 349 00:18:13,070 --> 00:18:15,350 started back in World War two when 350 00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:17,060 pilots reported being followed by 351 00:18:17,060 --> 00:18:21,200 luminous orbs there were nicknamed Foo 352 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,310 Fighters 353 00:18:23,310 --> 00:18:26,740 by 1947 flying saucer sightings were 354 00:18:26,740 --> 00:18:31,319 getting national coverage they flew like 355 00:18:31,319 --> 00:18:33,970 erratically like like a saucer what if 356 00:18:33,970 --> 00:18:35,380 it if you have skipped it across the 357 00:18:35,380 --> 00:18:38,260 water according to this memo titled 358 00:18:38,260 --> 00:18:40,630 opinion concerning flying discs by 359 00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:43,209 general Nathan twining the phenomenon 360 00:18:43,209 --> 00:18:45,339 reported is something real and not 361 00:18:45,339 --> 00:18:50,500 visionary or fictitious it just come up 362 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:55,060 like that and tipped and just I'm a 363 00:18:55,060 --> 00:18:58,950 really wet it didn't have no smoke no 364 00:18:58,950 --> 00:19:09,890 motor just to wind it went fast 365 00:19:09,890 --> 00:19:12,530 I've never seen anything go so fast in 366 00:19:12,530 --> 00:19:17,049 my life as that thing went yeah the 367 00:19:17,049 --> 00:19:20,450 sightings over Washington in July 1952 368 00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:23,390 were just part of one of the biggest and 369 00:19:23,390 --> 00:19:26,210 most impressive UFO waves in all UFO 370 00:19:26,210 --> 00:19:29,210 history this incident was witnessed by 371 00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:31,940 the public military pilots and air 372 00:19:31,940 --> 00:19:35,630 traffic control pilots went aloft they 373 00:19:35,630 --> 00:19:37,880 saw luminous glowing object out in front 374 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,290 of him right where the radar indicated 375 00:19:39,290 --> 00:19:41,750 it to be so you had ground radar 376 00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:44,240 airborne radar and the pilots visual 377 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,270 sightings look magazine reported that 378 00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:48,890 radar operators at Washington National 379 00:19:48,890 --> 00:19:51,669 Airport tracked UFOs at speeds up to 380 00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:53,390 7,000 miles per hour 381 00:19:53,390 --> 00:19:57,200 I am here to discuss the so-called 382 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,350 flying saucers Major General Sanford who 383 00:20:00,350 --> 00:20:02,030 was a director of information of the air 384 00:20:02,030 --> 00:20:03,919 force called a press conference which 385 00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:05,419 was characterized at the time as being 386 00:20:05,419 --> 00:20:07,940 the largest press conference since World 387 00:20:07,940 --> 00:20:10,730 War two air force interest in this 388 00:20:10,730 --> 00:20:13,910 problem then due to our feeling of an 389 00:20:13,910 --> 00:20:18,770 obligation to identify and analyze to 390 00:20:18,770 --> 00:20:20,780 the best of our ability anything in the 391 00:20:20,780 --> 00:20:23,480 air that may have the possibility of 392 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,290 threat or menace to the United States 393 00:20:26,290 --> 00:20:29,059 there have been a certain percentage of 394 00:20:29,059 --> 00:20:32,270 this volume of reports that have been 395 00:20:32,270 --> 00:20:36,020 made by credible observers of relatively 396 00:20:36,020 --> 00:20:38,380 incredible things 397 00:20:38,380 --> 00:20:41,770 it is this group of observations that we 398 00:20:41,770 --> 00:20:45,730 now are attempting to resolve the Joint 399 00:20:45,730 --> 00:20:48,430 Chiefs of Staff talk to you or concern 400 00:20:48,430 --> 00:20:50,590 you about the unknown I gonna buy 401 00:20:50,590 --> 00:20:52,690 flooring of it oh yes we discussed it at 402 00:20:52,690 --> 00:20:54,550 every conference that we had with the 403 00:20:54,550 --> 00:20:56,950 military and they never had been and 404 00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:58,630 never were able to make me a concrete 405 00:20:58,630 --> 00:21:00,730 report on you never what makes you don't 406 00:21:00,730 --> 00:21:03,070 think there no I am and anything on the 407 00:21:03,070 --> 00:21:05,950 subject there's always things like that 408 00:21:05,950 --> 00:21:09,640 going on at flying saucers they were 409 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,250 senior Air Force generals convinced that 410 00:21:12,250 --> 00:21:15,280 we had interplanetary visitors and they 411 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,690 were setting the policy and they were 412 00:21:16,690 --> 00:21:19,090 behind the Life magazine article of I 413 00:21:19,090 --> 00:21:22,660 believe April 1952 which was titled do 414 00:21:22,660 --> 00:21:26,280 we have interplanetary visitors 415 00:21:27,810 --> 00:21:29,490 didn't read the story the answer 416 00:21:29,490 --> 00:21:31,920 obviously was yes with the cooperation 417 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,540 of the United States Air Force 418 00:21:33,540 --> 00:21:35,670 Life magazine conducted an exhaustive 419 00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:38,580 one-year study out of a number of 420 00:21:38,580 --> 00:21:42,060 conclusions this one caught my eye no 421 00:21:42,060 --> 00:21:44,580 power plant known or projected on earth 422 00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:46,410 could account for the performance of 423 00:21:46,410 --> 00:21:51,810 these devices six-hour hose is a 424 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:54,450 journalist and a qualified pilot he saw 425 00:21:54,450 --> 00:21:57,180 what he believed to be a flying saucer 426 00:21:57,180 --> 00:22:00,480 but a flight from Winnipeg to Vancouver 427 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,420 and get aircraft so we're very high 428 00:22:03,420 --> 00:22:05,940 about 37,000 feet coming up on the 429 00:22:05,940 --> 00:22:07,670 mountain this brought sunset this 430 00:22:07,670 --> 00:22:10,890 unexplained light was or a disc-shaped 431 00:22:10,890 --> 00:22:13,620 object was down in the darkness so I 432 00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:16,200 just have another camera with me and we 433 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,860 took the picture in my opinion I think 434 00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:22,020 they were worried that they would panic 435 00:22:22,020 --> 00:22:23,640 the public if they knew that someone had 436 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,320 vehicles that had this kind of 437 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,660 performance way back right after World 438 00:22:27,660 --> 00:22:30,990 War two period of time so they started 439 00:22:30,990 --> 00:22:35,900 telling lies about it dr. J Allen Hynek 440 00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:38,490 investigated UFOs for the United States 441 00:22:38,490 --> 00:22:41,750 Air Force for over 22 years 442 00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:43,760 the most well-known of these 443 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,270 investigations was Project Blue Book 444 00:22:46,270 --> 00:22:49,970 where media is not in this 1979 445 00:22:49,970 --> 00:22:52,730 interview dr. Hynek revealed why the Air 446 00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:55,130 Force changed its public position they 447 00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:57,890 were strongly guided by the CIA because 448 00:22:57,890 --> 00:23:01,640 the CIA was not concerned so much with 449 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,159 UFOs as they were with UFO reports they 450 00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:06,200 were afraid actually that if another 451 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,240 nation water perpetrated another Pearl 452 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,960 Harbor that if their agents spawned a 453 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,000 bunch of false flying saucer stories 454 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,620 that might clog the military worse has 455 00:23:15,620 --> 00:23:18,909 actually happened in 1952 so they 456 00:23:18,909 --> 00:23:21,230 devised the so-called Robertson panel 457 00:23:21,230 --> 00:23:22,789 which I was an associate member at the 458 00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:25,309 time a very prestigious panel I was one 459 00:23:25,309 --> 00:23:26,900 of the lower ranking ones that they had 460 00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:28,760 Nobel Prize winners and whatnot on it 461 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,090 but at any rate they handed down the 462 00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:34,970 dictum which then became sort of the 463 00:23:34,970 --> 00:23:37,250 unwritten law of the Air Force don't 464 00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:40,400 rock the boat play it down cool it don't 465 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,750 get the public excited sure there are 466 00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:46,700 spaceships and they serve at you and the 467 00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:49,010 Air Force or in cahoots well first of 468 00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:50,539 all this business about being in cahoots 469 00:23:50,539 --> 00:23:52,400 interesting for your downright falsehood 470 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,940 and I know having been in Blue Book for 471 00:23:54,940 --> 00:23:59,030 nearly 20 years that whenever an 472 00:23:59,030 --> 00:24:01,880 interesting case came up the very last 473 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,409 thing in the world they would do is to 474 00:24:03,409 --> 00:24:05,539 notify the media and when the media 475 00:24:05,539 --> 00:24:07,580 themselves found out something the 476 00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:09,650 airport did its best to play a dumb it's 477 00:24:09,650 --> 00:24:12,350 called it a balloon called it a star 478 00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:17,840 called it boom meteors satellite FF seen 479 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,240 with the Sun glinting off of them and 480 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,400 the birds our critics continually 481 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,470 charged that the earth those air forces 482 00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:29,419 withholding information from the general 483 00:24:29,419 --> 00:24:31,330 public on this subject 484 00:24:31,330 --> 00:24:35,179 this is absolutely untrue and there's 485 00:24:35,179 --> 00:24:36,620 nothing in the record which would 486 00:24:36,620 --> 00:24:38,450 indicate that we have been visited by 487 00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:41,120 any advanced civilization there's 488 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:42,890 nothing to hide there's nothing to hide 489 00:24:42,890 --> 00:24:46,490 it off good evening reports of flying 490 00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:49,370 saucers are nothing new when it got to 491 00:24:49,370 --> 00:24:51,350 the top of the trees it stopped look 492 00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:54,260 like a round tip residents of the area 493 00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:55,500 saw it 494 00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:57,900 to the police saw it sergeant Newell 495 00:24:57,900 --> 00:24:59,310 Snyder of the Sheriff's Office 496 00:24:59,310 --> 00:25:00,900 remembered it well enough to draw it 497 00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:03,870 what do you think it was well they call 498 00:25:03,870 --> 00:25:05,760 it a flying saucer that's what it is 499 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,310 the Air Force that has chief scientific 500 00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:10,890 consultant on UFOs professor J Allen 501 00:25:10,890 --> 00:25:13,440 Hynek to check the Michigan sightings a 502 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,690 little bit of swamp right appears here 503 00:25:15,690 --> 00:25:17,820 it goes out another one appears over 504 00:25:17,820 --> 00:25:25,920 here that goes the citizens of Michigan 505 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,070 didn't buy it then congressman Gerald 506 00:25:29,070 --> 00:25:54,840 Ford to investigate sufficient to 507 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,540 justify some action by our government 508 00:25:57,540 --> 00:26:00,450 and not the kind of flippin answer that 509 00:26:00,450 --> 00:26:04,850 was given by the Air Force where they 510 00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:09,270 yeah this is not an attack on the air 511 00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:11,430 for sportsmen or the project spokesman 512 00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:15,060 they are simply following orders to 513 00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:17,490 explain away all UFO sightings as 514 00:26:17,490 --> 00:26:19,110 quickly as possible when they become 515 00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:23,010 public and deny that you for really 516 00:26:23,010 --> 00:26:26,340 exist scientists were being misled even 517 00:26:26,340 --> 00:26:28,860 as the public was being misled and to 518 00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:30,750 this day most scientists have no inkling 519 00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:33,420 of the serious hardcore evidence because 520 00:26:33,420 --> 00:26:35,280 now it's all treated like a tabloid 521 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,310 subject are you sorry now that you did 522 00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:40,020 tell people what you saw yes I am I'm 523 00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:43,590 sorry because not that it's not the 524 00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:44,700 truth but it's just the idea that 525 00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:46,650 reaction of the people they think you're 526 00:26:46,650 --> 00:26:49,860 a nut tell you the truth that's just 527 00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:51,600 what they figure you are and I'm not 528 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,590 gonna take it from why I don't want 529 00:26:52,590 --> 00:26:54,510 nobody down in here and I just leave me 530 00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:57,420 alone and if it's the thing lands like 531 00:26:57,420 --> 00:26:59,190 turn right over there that pump I'd 532 00:26:59,190 --> 00:27:01,910 never say a word 533 00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:07,010 ten years ago in 1969 they closed 534 00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:08,930 Bluebook and I thought for a while that 535 00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:11,960 maybe well maybe this was finally going 536 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,750 to be over but since that time we've had 537 00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:18,380 about 25,000 more UFO reports many of 538 00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:19,850 the hundreds of people reporting the 539 00:27:19,850 --> 00:27:21,230 sightings believe they've all seen the 540 00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:25,280 same object it's called the Hudson 541 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,300 Valley UFO 542 00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:36,429 that quick I'll be talking to tell you 543 00:27:36,429 --> 00:27:38,169 something funny I don't know what color 544 00:27:38,169 --> 00:27:41,649 did it moved in a very straight line 545 00:27:41,649 --> 00:27:43,149 very slowly 546 00:27:43,149 --> 00:27:47,500 there was absolutely no noise there was 547 00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:51,340 not a sound and it moves smoothly very 548 00:27:51,340 --> 00:27:54,039 smoothly almost like it was floating it 549 00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:55,929 was silent it was hovering 550 00:27:55,929 --> 00:27:59,860 I mean airplanes can hover do you 551 00:27:59,860 --> 00:28:02,549 believe you're both first and no sure 552 00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:05,200 how do you know that you're not being 553 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,669 used how do you know that you know the 554 00:28:06,669 --> 00:28:09,029 full story 555 00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:16,230 my name's Gary Tuchman with CNN and this 556 00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:17,790 questions for the governor and mr. 557 00:28:17,790 --> 00:28:19,800 Callahan this really is a government 558 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,450 that doesn't mind scaring us 559 00:28:21,450 --> 00:28:23,040 we still have orange alerts and red 560 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,170 alerts and they scare us all the time it 561 00:28:25,170 --> 00:28:27,480 keeps people at work so I'm wondering 562 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,240 why you think and you just state that 563 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,160 that's the reason and that's it is that 564 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,630 really the motivation for a government 565 00:28:33,630 --> 00:28:34,710 that doesn't mind scaring us 566 00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:38,490 if these phenomena are as 567 00:28:38,490 --> 00:28:40,260 technologically advanced as they appear 568 00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:43,080 to be then one could say that we're 569 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,300 completely vulnerable as a civilization 570 00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:48,090 and that's to some people that might be 571 00:28:48,090 --> 00:28:50,730 horrifying and I'm just speculating on 572 00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:52,530 that that feeling of vulnerability and 573 00:28:52,530 --> 00:28:54,000 so a lot of people like to say well you 574 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,110 know we're not vulnerable that's just 575 00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:57,090 not true that didn't happen and they 576 00:28:57,090 --> 00:29:09,570 shot it out of their minds table 577 00:29:09,570 --> 00:29:14,370 introduction because you know few of us 578 00:29:14,370 --> 00:29:18,590 have only just met and things like that 579 00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:24,870 last evening they did the survey on the 580 00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:26,970 internet and they asked people do you 581 00:29:26,970 --> 00:29:28,440 believe in UFOs 582 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,120 what was the result seventy-five or 583 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,930 eighty percent 584 00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:53,340 the night before our big event at the 585 00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:55,470 National Press Club we've all met for 586 00:29:55,470 --> 00:30:02,610 dinner my dream was coming true here I 587 00:30:02,610 --> 00:30:05,520 was surrounded by credible people who 588 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,530 were about to share incredible stories 589 00:30:07,530 --> 00:30:10,290 so these are reliable witnesses yeah 590 00:30:10,290 --> 00:30:14,040 there were generals pilots physicists an 591 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,150 FAA official an Air Force colonel I'd 592 00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:19,650 never been in a room full of so many 593 00:30:19,650 --> 00:30:21,840 people of this caliber comfortably 594 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:28,320 talking about the existence of UFOs we 595 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,390 were enjoying our time together it was 596 00:30:30,390 --> 00:30:32,160 remarkable how everyone had something 597 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,440 extraordinary in common there was a 598 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,450 mutual understanding and I got some 599 00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:38,820 answers to some big questions why did 600 00:30:38,820 --> 00:30:40,530 the French government do what they did 601 00:30:40,530 --> 00:30:42,780 by releasing the UFO FILES just recently 602 00:30:42,780 --> 00:30:47,220 it took 15 years to convince to do 603 00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:50,160 something despite the public position of 604 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,460 the US government somebody whether it 605 00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:55,050 was on an official or a sort of 606 00:30:55,050 --> 00:30:57,510 back-channel basis but somebody most 607 00:30:57,510 --> 00:31:00,720 definitely was looking into the UFO 608 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,550 phenomenon if you're not capable to 609 00:31:02,550 --> 00:31:06,660 identify whatever flies around there is 610 00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:08,820 something wrong could you say something 611 00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:10,230 very quickly one of the things I always 612 00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:11,820 remember you talking about was when 613 00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:13,740 you'd be at a cocktail party and the 614 00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:15,870 subject would come up with UFOs and you 615 00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:17,040 sat with one on the ground for 616 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,570 forty-five minutes and you'd bite your 617 00:31:18,570 --> 00:31:21,660 tongue what was that like it was 618 00:31:21,660 --> 00:31:23,610 difficult but you know in some ways 619 00:31:23,610 --> 00:31:25,200 there was some kind of satisfaction 620 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,750 involved there and they're talking about 621 00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:31,960 stuff there what if and I knew 622 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,410 my name is James Penniston United States 623 00:31:35,410 --> 00:31:39,100 Air Force retired in 1980 I was assigned 624 00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:41,080 to the largest Tactical Fighter Wing in 625 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,570 the Air Force at the time I was 626 00:31:43,570 --> 00:31:45,400 stationed at RAF Woodbridge England 627 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,920 shortly after midnight on the 26th of 628 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,830 December 1980 629 00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:52,930 Staff Sergeant Stefan's briefed me that 630 00:31:52,930 --> 00:31:55,780 some lights were seen in Rendlesham 631 00:31:55,780 --> 00:32:00,610 forest just outside the back gate he 632 00:32:00,610 --> 00:32:03,430 informed me that whatever he seen didn't 633 00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:07,690 crash he told me it landed I then 634 00:32:07,690 --> 00:32:11,830 ordered Airmen Caban Zak a1c burles to 635 00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:15,580 respond with me off site that night we 636 00:32:15,580 --> 00:32:18,100 were on security one which was in charge 637 00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:20,560 of mobile security for the Woodbridge 638 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,240 base and we responded to jimbros his 639 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,090 sighting of something out on the edge of 640 00:32:28,090 --> 00:32:30,400 the flight line or the controller on the 641 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,830 radio broadcast over the air that go 642 00:32:32,830 --> 00:32:35,080 down and check out a possible UFO there 643 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,100 was a craft of some sort that was 644 00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:42,750 sitting just inside the tree line right 645 00:32:42,750 --> 00:32:46,270 - defected crash site it quickly became 646 00:32:46,270 --> 00:32:48,760 apparent that we were not dealing with a 647 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,060 plane crash or for that matter anything 648 00:32:52,060 --> 00:32:54,130 else we've ever responded to Burroughs 649 00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:55,510 would say - Jim Penniston do you see 650 00:32:55,510 --> 00:32:57,250 that you see do you see what's out there 651 00:32:57,250 --> 00:32:59,950 at that at the edge of the trees it was 652 00:32:59,950 --> 00:33:03,400 just bright lights you know and the only 653 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,900 way you can describe it is it I guess 654 00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:06,550 you'd call it an object at the point in 655 00:33:06,550 --> 00:33:08,560 time three of us had direct observation 656 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,380 of the craft I then asked Airmen kanban 657 00:33:11,380 --> 00:33:13,270 sac to relate the radio transmissions 658 00:33:13,270 --> 00:33:15,940 back to our control center Burl's and I 659 00:33:15,940 --> 00:33:18,610 proceeded towards the craft the only 660 00:33:18,610 --> 00:33:20,140 noise we heard out in the woods was the 661 00:33:20,140 --> 00:33:22,570 noise of the animals just as burles and 662 00:33:22,570 --> 00:33:24,490 I entered a tree line the shape of the 663 00:33:24,490 --> 00:33:26,390 craft was defined 664 00:33:26,390 --> 00:33:28,580 the closer we got the more the white 665 00:33:28,580 --> 00:33:30,710 light dissipated but what appeared was a 666 00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:34,820 trying of craft when we approached it it 667 00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:38,360 was oh I say measured probably about 668 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:44,390 nine feet long maybe six feet high a 669 00:33:44,390 --> 00:33:46,310 little higher me maybe six and a half 670 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:46,820 feet 671 00:33:46,820 --> 00:33:48,920 the lighting emanated from the fabric of 672 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,050 the craft and it would actually move 673 00:33:51,050 --> 00:33:52,670 around I mean it would move you'd have 674 00:33:52,670 --> 00:33:54,950 different locations where maybe a little 675 00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:57,590 blue lighting was going into or maybe a 676 00:33:57,590 --> 00:34:00,260 little red and then there must have been 677 00:34:00,260 --> 00:34:02,150 some type of lighting underneath of it 678 00:34:02,150 --> 00:34:04,730 because it's silhouetted the aircraft 679 00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:08,660 itself I went around and started doing a 680 00:34:08,660 --> 00:34:10,760 360 walk around the area taking 681 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,430 recording my observations I was looking 682 00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:15,410 underneath the craft like that I had 683 00:34:15,410 --> 00:34:18,350 taken quite detailed notes on that type 684 00:34:18,350 --> 00:34:23,660 of aircraft still unknown the old parent 685 00:34:23,660 --> 00:34:28,160 landing gear no sound but appears to be 686 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,890 pulsating somehow yeah it was pretty 687 00:34:30,890 --> 00:34:33,530 nerve-wracking I mean when you're there 688 00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:34,850 something there right in front of you 689 00:34:34,850 --> 00:34:36,890 don't know what it is I would go ahead 690 00:34:36,890 --> 00:34:41,360 and feel the craft which was warm there 691 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,750 was static electricity in the air very 692 00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:47,270 warm to touch identifying markings are 693 00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:50,030 on left front side as I came around to 694 00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:53,540 the one side of the of craft there was 695 00:34:53,540 --> 00:34:55,990 edging 696 00:34:56,739 --> 00:34:59,259 face me just above the center part of 697 00:34:59,259 --> 00:35:01,629 the craft itself of course this is done 698 00:35:01,629 --> 00:35:03,549 all freehand as I was walking around the 699 00:35:03,549 --> 00:35:06,099 craft but these symbols trans from left 700 00:35:06,099 --> 00:35:08,679 to right across and then underneath the 701 00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:11,369 those that line the symbols was this 702 00:35:11,369 --> 00:35:14,679 which is triangular and some type of 703 00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:17,169 circle here some type of circle here in 704 00:35:17,169 --> 00:35:19,269 a larger circle here and of course all 705 00:35:19,269 --> 00:35:21,909 this was filled in with thee like the 706 00:35:21,909 --> 00:35:26,949 etching part of it I was curious about 707 00:35:26,949 --> 00:35:28,989 the symbols that Jim Penniston copied in 708 00:35:28,989 --> 00:35:29,589 his logbook 709 00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:34,268 I had these symbols enlarged and then 710 00:35:34,268 --> 00:35:35,699 showed him to cryptologist and 711 00:35:35,699 --> 00:35:38,829 mathematician Georg taglish I wanted to 712 00:35:38,829 --> 00:35:41,319 know if he had any ideas as to what they 713 00:35:41,319 --> 00:35:44,289 might mean the first symbol looks to me 714 00:35:44,289 --> 00:35:47,889 like a vessel with a steering or a float 715 00:35:47,889 --> 00:35:51,190 in some sort of medium the second symbol 716 00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:54,489 looks like a glyph associated with a 717 00:35:54,489 --> 00:35:57,159 mathematical idea known as the fibrin 718 00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:59,829 Archie series which is found everywhere 719 00:35:59,829 --> 00:36:03,399 in nature and this is what we have here 720 00:36:03,399 --> 00:36:06,239 the root of a fiber nature series one 721 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,299 two and three taken as a whole - rather 722 00:36:10,299 --> 00:36:11,768 clever glyph all in one 723 00:36:11,768 --> 00:36:14,529 mr. dag was stressed that this was only 724 00:36:14,529 --> 00:36:16,690 speculation but I found his 725 00:36:16,690 --> 00:36:18,489 interpretations quite interesting 726 00:36:18,489 --> 00:36:21,009 especially since I've always heard that 727 00:36:21,009 --> 00:36:22,869 the only universal language would be 728 00:36:22,869 --> 00:36:27,970 mathematics from that clip how did you 729 00:36:27,970 --> 00:36:31,390 decipher theirs they could represent an 730 00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:35,259 apse in an orbit a perigee or an Apogee 731 00:36:35,259 --> 00:36:39,940 and if they are APS's Apogee and perigee 732 00:36:39,940 --> 00:36:43,839 as it means that the orbiter is doing a 733 00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:49,299 highly processive orbit so if you are 734 00:36:49,299 --> 00:36:51,190 going to survey a planet and this is an 735 00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:53,500 orbiter as you know which would be a 736 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:55,480 very sensible arrangement if you were 737 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,369 using the vehicle as a surveying vehicle 738 00:36:57,369 --> 00:36:59,680 because you get a maximum look at the 739 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:00,580 planet 740 00:37:00,580 --> 00:37:02,890 I don't think they were trying to send 741 00:37:02,890 --> 00:37:04,540 us a metaphysical message about the 742 00:37:04,540 --> 00:37:06,310 beauty of life or the proposer 743 00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:08,080 what the reason for the universe or 744 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,040 anything like that or their own 745 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,280 existence I think it's just more 746 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,680 utilitarian marking so they knew what 747 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,880 craft they were dealing with I knew that 748 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,180 that craft could not have been made by 749 00:37:22,180 --> 00:37:24,420 man 750 00:37:27,210 --> 00:37:31,010 and then they started moving back in 751 00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:34,650 between the trees with absolutely no 752 00:37:34,650 --> 00:37:38,150 sound no air disturbance at all takeoff 753 00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:42,290 unknown speed and I write impossible I 754 00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:44,849 mean it was threatening to Mia but it 755 00:37:44,849 --> 00:37:46,800 wasn't the type that you were going to 756 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,540 shoot on it and also the fact was that 757 00:37:48,540 --> 00:37:50,460 what would happen if I would have shot 758 00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:52,859 at him well you look good with it have 759 00:37:52,859 --> 00:37:58,589 done that night over 80 Air Force 760 00:37:58,589 --> 00:38:03,960 personnel all trained observers assigned 761 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,240 to the 81st security police squadron 762 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:09,180 witnessed the takeoff the information 763 00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:10,920 acquired during that investigation was 764 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,069 reported through my military channels 765 00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:16,290 the team and witnesses were told to 766 00:38:16,290 --> 00:38:18,829 treat the investigation as top-secret 767 00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:21,980 thank you 768 00:38:26,110 --> 00:38:28,370 as the deputy base commander Colonel 769 00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:30,500 Charles halt was in charge of the 770 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,290 investigation when he too became a 771 00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:36,290 witness in late December 1980 I was 772 00:38:36,290 --> 00:38:38,240 called upon to investigate a very 773 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:40,490 strange event an event that was 774 00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:42,230 distracting our security police from 775 00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:44,540 their primary duties I believe that he 776 00:38:44,540 --> 00:38:45,800 would offer to debunk the whole 777 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,080 situation and I think he got in the 778 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,850 middle of a situation he couldn't 779 00:38:49,850 --> 00:38:52,100 explain either two nights later at the 780 00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:54,500 family Christmas party I was interrupted 781 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:57,620 by the on-duty police commander he told 782 00:38:57,620 --> 00:39:01,330 of strange events and said it was back 783 00:39:01,330 --> 00:39:04,040 since my boss had to present Awards I 784 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,410 was tasked to go out and investigate I 785 00:39:06,410 --> 00:39:09,580 fully expected to find an explanation 786 00:39:09,580 --> 00:39:12,080 during this entire event I was fortunate 787 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,820 to have with me and my small pocket 788 00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:15,020 recorder it's a little ending what 789 00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:16,880 you're about to hear are excerpts from 790 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,830 the original recording made that night 791 00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:50,040 one approached a very high speed and 792 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:55,190 sent on a strange beam right at our feet 793 00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:06,510 another object sent down beams of light 794 00:40:06,510 --> 00:40:09,210 into the weapons storage area the whole 795 00:40:09,210 --> 00:40:10,620 time we had difficulty communicating 796 00:40:10,620 --> 00:40:12,930 with the base has all three radio 797 00:40:12,930 --> 00:40:15,090 frequencies we were using kept breaking 798 00:40:15,090 --> 00:40:18,780 up I have no idea what we saw that night 799 00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:21,210 but I do know with great certainty it 800 00:40:21,210 --> 00:40:28,800 was under intelligent control five star 801 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,810 Admiral Lord Hill Norton had been 802 00:40:30,810 --> 00:40:32,760 pressuring Parliament to provide clear 803 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,090 answers on this case I wanted to know if 804 00:40:36,090 --> 00:40:38,940 he believed a UFO actually landed at a 805 00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:41,850 u.s. airbase in England that is one 806 00:40:41,850 --> 00:40:44,010 explanation that it actually happened as 807 00:40:44,010 --> 00:40:47,180 Colonel Holt reported the other 808 00:40:47,180 --> 00:40:51,930 explanation is that it didn't and in 809 00:40:51,930 --> 00:40:55,170 that case one is bound to assume that 810 00:40:55,170 --> 00:40:57,660 Colonel Holt and all his men were 811 00:40:57,660 --> 00:41:01,170 hallucinating the British Ministry of 812 00:41:01,170 --> 00:41:03,540 Defense's position is that nothing of 813 00:41:03,540 --> 00:41:06,390 any defence interest took place this 814 00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:08,640 position was strongly criticized by the 815 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,000 Admiral that the colonel of a an 816 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,570 American Air Force Base in Suffolk and 817 00:41:15,570 --> 00:41:19,080 his Merry Men are hallucinating when 818 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,150 there are nuclear armed aircraft on the 819 00:41:21,150 --> 00:41:24,690 base must be of Defence interest if 820 00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:27,480 indeed what he says took place did take 821 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,000 place and why on earth did he make it up 822 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,430 then surely the entry of a vehicle from 823 00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:38,730 outer space certainly not man-made to a 824 00:41:38,730 --> 00:41:41,700 defence base in this country also cannot 825 00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:45,450 fail to be of Defence interest outside 826 00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:47,490 the Parliament building I met with Nick 827 00:41:47,490 --> 00:41:50,820 Pope he investigated UFOs officially for 828 00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:52,100 the British government 829 00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:56,330 I reopened the case and conducted a sort 830 00:41:56,330 --> 00:41:59,770 of cold case review of the original 831 00:41:59,770 --> 00:42:02,750 investigation and I was shocked to find 832 00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:05,270 the series of basic errors had been 833 00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:07,580 committed exactly the same sorts of 834 00:42:07,580 --> 00:42:10,070 errors that often fatally undermine a 835 00:42:10,070 --> 00:42:13,280 police investigation Nick Pope shared 836 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,170 with me some startling evidence from the 837 00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:17,840 Ministry of Defense's files this is one 838 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,640 of the most important documents to 839 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,000 emerged from the mo DS case files it's 840 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,290 from an assistant director in DI 52 this 841 00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:29,270 is their assessment of the radiation 842 00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:31,970 readings that Colonel halt and his team 843 00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:35,300 took at the landing site what we have 844 00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:38,120 here is a plaster cast of one of the 845 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,580 three indentations the object the gym 846 00:42:40,580 --> 00:42:42,140 and the other Touma gentleman approached 847 00:42:42,140 --> 00:42:43,670 it's approximately eight to ten inches 848 00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:47,420 across and about three inches deep as it 849 00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:50,600 is maximum point this is a cast number - 850 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,760 he made an impression of all three of 851 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,110 the indentations and they were all 852 00:42:54,110 --> 00:42:57,470 identical now here's the key bed these 853 00:42:57,470 --> 00:43:01,010 levels seem significantly higher than 854 00:43:01,010 --> 00:43:03,800 the average background and in fact I 855 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,540 double-check this with some other 856 00:43:05,540 --> 00:43:07,790 government scientists it's about eight 857 00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:11,540 times normal so this is absolute proof 858 00:43:11,540 --> 00:43:14,590 positive from the mo d's own 859 00:43:14,590 --> 00:43:16,700 documentation that something 860 00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:19,990 extraordinary happened 861 00:43:25,339 --> 00:43:28,289 back in America I arranged a meeting 862 00:43:28,289 --> 00:43:30,569 between Colonel halt and sergeant nevels 863 00:43:30,569 --> 00:43:32,940 one of the men who was with them that 864 00:43:32,940 --> 00:43:38,730 night a long time 865 00:43:38,730 --> 00:43:41,369 these men shared an extraordinary 866 00:43:41,369 --> 00:43:44,250 experience one that puzzles them to this 867 00:43:44,250 --> 00:43:47,700 day I was glad to have brought them 868 00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:51,420 together after 28 years if you've been 869 00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:52,740 there done that it's a whole lot 870 00:43:52,740 --> 00:43:54,630 different than those skeptics did was 871 00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:57,000 sometimes playing around with and they 872 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,400 can't believe us and a lot of the other 873 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,700 people that were involved especially 874 00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:03,779 Penniston and Burroughs and all have had 875 00:44:03,779 --> 00:44:05,460 all kinds of complications and career 876 00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:06,809 problems I did too 877 00:44:06,809 --> 00:44:08,309 Penniston retired as a tech sergeant 878 00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:14,609 probably should have made chief step by 879 00:44:14,609 --> 00:44:16,859 step Colonel halt and Sergeant nevels 880 00:44:16,859 --> 00:44:21,109 went over what happened that night 881 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,369 it was Caprona us yep 882 00:44:29,369 --> 00:44:32,130 no way of calculating how fast it was 883 00:44:32,130 --> 00:44:33,630 going it was just gone 884 00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:35,309 the turns were 90-degree turns they were 885 00:44:35,309 --> 00:44:38,309 just abrupt right and there's no way no 886 00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:42,930 way that anything we had in technology 887 00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:46,140 then and I don't believe the technology 888 00:44:46,140 --> 00:44:49,349 that we have today would allow anything 889 00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:51,750 that we saw to make the turns the way 890 00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:54,720 they turned we met with General Gordon 891 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,970 Williams the Wing Commander of the 892 00:44:56,970 --> 00:44:59,970 entire base he would neither confirm nor 893 00:44:59,970 --> 00:45:03,359 deny the incident he did however tell us 894 00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:05,579 how he felt about a leaked memo written 895 00:45:05,579 --> 00:45:07,650 by Deputy base commander Colonel Charles 896 00:45:07,650 --> 00:45:10,109 halt that went under the door and I 897 00:45:10,109 --> 00:45:11,880 didn't see it now did he have a 898 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,920 motivation and doing that did he think 899 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,509 that if he brought it in to me I would 900 00:45:15,509 --> 00:45:17,670 have stepped on it I certainly would 901 00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:19,019 have looked at it very carefully because 902 00:45:19,019 --> 00:45:21,660 it had some things in there that I don't 903 00:45:21,660 --> 00:45:25,019 think we were prepared to defend once 904 00:45:25,019 --> 00:45:26,700 that cat was out of the bag you know I 905 00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:28,140 couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together 906 00:45:28,140 --> 00:45:32,369 again and it lived its own life I just 907 00:45:32,369 --> 00:45:33,960 find this very interesting that 908 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,569 the US Air Force or government generally 909 00:45:36,569 --> 00:45:38,400 says that they don't investigate UFOs 910 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,200 since the termination of Blue Book and 911 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,750 yet you're convinced that there was an 912 00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:45,000 investigation that took place so who 913 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,250 gave the orders to do that it certainly 914 00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:48,480 didn't come from anybody that was 915 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,520 normally on the base other than in the 916 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,520 OSI I didn't tell my wife I didn't tell 917 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,140 my daughter I had a top secret clearance 918 00:45:57,140 --> 00:46:01,849 and when I was told to shut up I shut up 919 00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:08,040 son you each got seduced cease to be 920 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,630 cool come on ski on uncut into the new 921 00:46:09,630 --> 00:46:12,510 home of Nikki stop pushed it oh gee stop 922 00:46:12,510 --> 00:46:14,730 hyung it's gone although solution even 923 00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:16,319 cracks me up yo sorry mama 924 00:46:16,319 --> 00:46:20,520 I'm about to tell you is about the vent 925 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,849 that never happened for an event that 926 00:46:23,849 --> 00:46:26,309 never happened FAA official John 927 00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:28,260 Callahan certainly has a lot of evidence 928 00:46:28,260 --> 00:46:30,750 they brought the voice tapes he kept 929 00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:32,819 audio recordings between the cockpit and 930 00:46:32,819 --> 00:46:35,940 the tower as the incident unfolded he 931 00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:37,589 has 30 minutes of taped radar that 932 00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:41,609 confirms the UFO a chart that documents 933 00:46:41,609 --> 00:46:44,069 all the objects in the 747s flight path 934 00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:48,450 and the official FAA report event that 935 00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:50,819 never happened according to Callahan all 936 00:46:50,819 --> 00:46:53,309 of this was presented to the CIA in a 937 00:46:53,309 --> 00:46:55,049 private meeting when the pilot first 938 00:46:55,049 --> 00:46:57,569 reported the UFO he described it as a 939 00:46:57,569 --> 00:46:59,010 huge ball with lights running around 940 00:46:59,010 --> 00:47:00,540 that he said it was about four times 941 00:47:00,540 --> 00:47:03,480 bigger than the 747 he was riding and 942 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,150 remember the 747 has an elevator and 943 00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:07,619 he's looking out the window when he sees 944 00:47:07,619 --> 00:47:09,990 something that's four times the size of 945 00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:12,119 his aircraft what you're about to see 946 00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:14,640 and hear are excerpts from the actual 947 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,220 radar and cockpit conversations as the 948 00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:20,299 incident unfolded 949 00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:52,500 never sir 950 00:48:08,350 --> 00:48:11,350 okay 951 00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:30,950 within 20 seconds so a long time he says 952 00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:32,750 it's over here at 12 o'clock in 8 miles 953 00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:35,960 and only and then he goes by we see a 954 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,190 target dish ten seconds later it is now 955 00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:43,130 behind him six seven miles behind him so 956 00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:45,380 what's going from from eight miles out 957 00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:47,809 here till six to seven miles back here 958 00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:50,839 really going five to six seconds when I 959 00:48:50,839 --> 00:48:52,250 went back to headquarters I gave an 960 00:48:52,250 --> 00:48:53,630 admiral wing and a quick briefing and 961 00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:55,549 showed him the video he set up a 962 00:48:55,549 --> 00:48:57,020 briefing with the President Reagan's 963 00:48:57,020 --> 00:48:59,540 scientific staff he told me my function 964 00:48:59,540 --> 00:49:02,569 was to hand this operation off to those 965 00:49:02,569 --> 00:49:04,369 people those people ended up being the 966 00:49:04,369 --> 00:49:06,619 CIA the president's group a bunch of 967 00:49:06,619 --> 00:49:10,940 grunts that came to the meeting the CIA 968 00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:15,829 said to all the people that this event 969 00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:21,579 never happened we were never here and 970 00:49:21,579 --> 00:49:24,549 you're all sworn to secrecy 971 00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:27,530 we are confiscating all this data and 972 00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:30,559 they did they took everything that was 973 00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,359 in the room in those days when you print 974 00:49:32,359 --> 00:49:33,710 that out something from the computer 975 00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:36,140 fortunately he kept copies of everything 976 00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:38,240 back in his office that's the end of my 977 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,089 speech who are you gonna believe you 978 00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:45,069 lyin eyes oh the government 979 00:49:52,930 --> 00:49:54,860 how do you feel about your husband 980 00:49:54,860 --> 00:49:57,830 coming coming forward well I think that 981 00:49:57,830 --> 00:50:00,710 that's John John is comfortable in what 982 00:50:00,710 --> 00:50:03,740 he says and what he does and that if he 983 00:50:03,740 --> 00:50:06,560 what he sees he will tell what he sees 984 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,570 and I don't think anybody is going to 985 00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:11,300 tell him that he can't and I'm proud of 986 00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:13,820 him I think he does a good job and he's 987 00:50:13,820 --> 00:50:17,780 telling the world what should know one 988 00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:19,640 of our greatest success stories was 989 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,130 getting General Jafari from Iran to DC 990 00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:24,740 it took three months of negotiations to 991 00:50:24,740 --> 00:50:26,960 get his visa Tafari 992 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,210 was one of two Iranian fighter pilots 993 00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:32,240 ordered to intercept a UFO hovering over 994 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:36,380 Tehran Iran in 1976 the pilot in the 995 00:50:36,380 --> 00:50:40,660 first jet last instrumentation and 996 00:50:40,660 --> 00:50:45,230 communication when he got too close to 997 00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:50,500 the brilliant object so he headed back 998 00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:53,600 about ten minutes later they scrambled a 999 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,820 second jet which I was piloting general 1000 00:50:58,820 --> 00:51:01,460 Jafari scrambled his f4 phantom jet to 1001 00:51:01,460 --> 00:51:04,060 get a closer look 1002 00:51:07,060 --> 00:51:09,710 he gave us this Iranian Air Force 1003 00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:11,720 reenactment film featuring the original 1004 00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:19,550 witnesses and planes even though Jafar 1005 00:51:19,550 --> 00:51:21,859 EES f-4 fighter jet was travelling at 1006 00:51:21,859 --> 00:51:23,960 the speed of sound it was nowhere near 1007 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,710 fast enough imagine when I was looking 1008 00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:32,359 here at about 70 miles out and he jumped 1009 00:51:32,359 --> 00:51:36,849 all of a sudden 10 degrees to my right 1010 00:51:36,849 --> 00:51:41,390 in this angle 10 degrees this part which 1011 00:51:41,390 --> 00:51:44,930 it was travelling becomes about twenty 1012 00:51:44,930 --> 00:51:49,280 six point seven miles per moment I don't 1013 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,460 say per second maybe maybe less than a 1014 00:51:52,460 --> 00:51:53,230 second 1015 00:51:53,230 --> 00:51:56,630 nobody true Jafar was flying towards the 1016 00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:59,510 UFO when a smaller object separated from 1017 00:51:59,510 --> 00:52:04,070 it and headed right at him his only 1018 00:52:04,070 --> 00:52:07,160 instinct was to shoot at it but that 1019 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,960 turned out to be a bad idea 1020 00:52:14,820 --> 00:52:17,710 all the instrument perf lecture eating 1021 00:52:17,710 --> 00:52:22,480 the garbles in the radio so I was really 1022 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,380 frightened so I decided to turn away and 1023 00:52:26,380 --> 00:52:29,440 I said if it comes closer than about 1024 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,220 full minds I will jump out so have him 1025 00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:35,470 maneuvered away from the object Jafar 1026 00:52:35,470 --> 00:52:37,960 his control panel returned to normal and 1027 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,850 he regained contact with the tower 1028 00:52:49,950 --> 00:52:52,150 despite the United States government's 1029 00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:54,190 claim that they have not investigated 1030 00:52:54,190 --> 00:52:56,140 UFOs since the closing of Project Blue 1031 00:52:56,140 --> 00:52:59,020 Book in 1969 this Defense Intelligence 1032 00:52:59,020 --> 00:53:03,280 Agency report made in 1976 indicates 1033 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,390 otherwise it was obtained through the 1034 00:53:07,390 --> 00:53:10,590 Freedom of Information Act 1035 00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:14,849 so you think the reason why they're not 1036 00:53:14,849 --> 00:53:16,590 telling us is because they can't trust 1037 00:53:16,590 --> 00:53:19,680 everyone they can't dismiss and the 1038 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,670 second one maybe as I said they don't 1039 00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:30,210 want people to be panic and we don't 1040 00:53:30,210 --> 00:53:31,800 take sides on 360 we'd like to present 1041 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,359 you with facts and information from 1042 00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:34,619 different angles and let you make up 1043 00:53:34,619 --> 00:53:36,119 your own minds about things that's 1044 00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:38,550 particularly true with mysteries and for 1045 00:53:38,550 --> 00:53:39,690 many Americans there's no mystery 1046 00:53:39,690 --> 00:53:42,060 greater than UFOs James Fox helped 1047 00:53:42,060 --> 00:53:43,950 organize today's UFO related event in 1048 00:53:43,950 --> 00:53:45,690 Washington he joins me now along with 1049 00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:47,430 astronomer former Air Force pilot and 1050 00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:49,530 skeptic James McGee hey thanks for being 1051 00:53:49,530 --> 00:53:51,630 with us both of you why should what this 1052 00:53:51,630 --> 00:53:52,980 panel was calling for essentially is 1053 00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:54,330 some sort of government investigation 1054 00:53:54,330 --> 00:53:55,950 about why shouldn't there be further 1055 00:53:55,950 --> 00:53:57,570 investigation well there have been 1056 00:53:57,570 --> 00:53:59,700 investigation it was oh hang on a second 1057 00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:01,410 let me just state this clearly one of 1058 00:54:01,410 --> 00:54:03,119 the things we gonna help you keep 1059 00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:05,010 interrupting me sir please one of the 1060 00:54:05,010 --> 00:54:06,330 things I want to mention very quickly is 1061 00:54:06,330 --> 00:54:08,099 that the official position for the Air 1062 00:54:08,099 --> 00:54:09,869 Force is that they terminated Project 1063 00:54:09,869 --> 00:54:12,300 Blue Book in 1969 as there have been no 1064 00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:13,950 official investigations since then 1065 00:54:13,950 --> 00:54:16,320 however we found evidence to suggest the 1066 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,780 contrary on a number of cases in Tehran 1067 00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:20,609 the general said the Americans were 1068 00:54:20,609 --> 00:54:22,380 making discreet inquiries about the case 1069 00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:24,540 that excuse me there as well as 1070 00:54:24,540 --> 00:54:26,070 Bentwaters England the colonel said that 1071 00:54:26,070 --> 00:54:27,930 the OSI came in investigated that so you 1072 00:54:27,930 --> 00:54:29,460 believe there is a government 1073 00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:30,810 investigation going on I always wanted 1074 00:54:30,810 --> 00:54:32,070 what they're making this they're making 1075 00:54:32,070 --> 00:54:35,130 discreet inquiries unofficially yes well 1076 00:54:35,130 --> 00:54:38,790 UFOs are basically a modern space-age 1077 00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:41,760 mythology it's a it's a conspiracy 1078 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,839 wrapped and superstition and myth where 1079 00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:47,339 does this superstition and myth come 1080 00:54:47,339 --> 00:54:50,220 from and how could it be so pervasive 1081 00:54:50,220 --> 00:54:51,810 within a few months of the original 1082 00:54:51,810 --> 00:54:54,119 saucer report practically everyone in 1083 00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:59,000 America was conscious of flying saucers 1084 00:55:02,809 --> 00:55:09,269 now did you see a UFO I did and the rest 1085 00:55:09,269 --> 00:55:11,099 of the account oh I didn't I 1086 00:55:11,099 --> 00:55:13,259 it was unidentified flying object okay 1087 00:55:13,259 --> 00:55:17,999 it's like and wait kidding and then I 1088 00:55:17,999 --> 00:55:20,339 would say where was it what did it look 1089 00:55:20,339 --> 00:55:23,009 like what were you doing how much had 1090 00:55:23,009 --> 00:55:25,200 you had before it's alright it was 1091 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,730 probably some sort of some other 1092 00:55:26,730 --> 00:55:30,239 satellite or a fast-moving airplane that 1093 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,160 they saw I wouldn't believe them I mean 1094 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,559 I know there's been sightings random I'm 1095 00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:36,690 not well documented well Jay Leno once 1096 00:55:36,690 --> 00:55:40,019 asked if these UFOs extraterrestrial are 1097 00:55:40,019 --> 00:55:42,119 so highly evolved how come it is that 1098 00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:45,650 they only address people named Bubba 1099 00:55:53,509 --> 00:55:56,420 my name is Wilfred de Brouwer 1100 00:55:56,420 --> 00:55:59,190 I'm a retired Major General of the 1101 00:55:59,190 --> 00:56:01,349 Belgian Air Force and I was chief 1102 00:56:01,349 --> 00:56:05,249 operations in the air staff at the time 1103 00:56:05,249 --> 00:56:07,980 that an exceptional UFO wave took place 1104 00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:11,099 over budget the nature of the sighting 1105 00:56:11,099 --> 00:56:16,460 was such that people identify a large 1106 00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:21,170 triangular platform with very intensive 1107 00:56:21,170 --> 00:56:27,869 spotlights also hovering being static at 1108 00:56:27,869 --> 00:56:32,130 a certain moment being able to fly at 1109 00:56:32,130 --> 00:56:35,970 very low speeds and then accelerating to 1110 00:56:35,970 --> 00:56:39,920 very high speeds and seconds 1111 00:56:40,410 --> 00:56:45,120 in addition these objects didn't make 1112 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,580 any noise it was only a humming noise 1113 00:56:55,610 --> 00:56:58,880 were there ever any any inquiries from 1114 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,900 the American government to the Belgian 1115 00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:05,630 Air Force regarding identified final 1116 00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:09,010 house yes well some informal inquiries 1117 00:57:09,010 --> 00:57:11,780 but not informed I would have liked to 1118 00:57:11,780 --> 00:57:17,170 see a formal request but some people 1119 00:57:17,170 --> 00:57:21,530 came to my office and asked about this 1120 00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:23,540 phenomenon and also what we thought 1121 00:57:23,540 --> 00:57:27,590 about it and asked to have a copy of a 1122 00:57:27,590 --> 00:57:30,680 video which was taken by one of the 1123 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,120 aircraft which try to intercept one of 1124 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,590 these objects and I said yes you can 1125 00:57:39,590 --> 00:57:41,840 have a copy providing there is a formal 1126 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,190 request 1127 00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:50,660 we never received formal requests high 1128 00:57:50,660 --> 00:57:53,150 five for forage I do have a primary 1129 00:57:53,150 --> 00:57:57,020 contact now what everybody thank you for 1130 00:57:57,020 --> 00:57:57,980 coming this morning 1131 00:57:57,980 --> 00:58:01,670 my name is rubella and I fly a civilian 1132 00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:04,700 airliner that's captain I've been 1133 00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:06,680 invited here due to my sighting last a 1134 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,350 problem of multiple as as yet 1135 00:58:09,350 --> 00:58:10,910 unidentified objects over the Channel 1136 00:58:10,910 --> 00:58:14,410 Islands region of the English Channel 1137 00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:18,470 thanks for joining us pilots and 1138 00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:20,330 aircraft passengers have confirmed 1139 00:58:20,330 --> 00:58:23,000 sightings of a large unidentified flying 1140 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,970 object off the coast of Guernsey the 1141 00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:28,160 mysterious shapes were spotted earlier 1142 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,710 in the week and are described as a long 1143 00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:33,170 emotionless object that measured up to a 1144 00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:35,770 mile wide 1145 00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:51,320 got a very bright object 1146 00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:56,140 well how far really bright yellow-orange 1147 00:58:56,140 --> 00:58:59,270 object straight ahead very flat 1148 00:58:59,270 --> 00:59:00,590 platformer Levin and through binoculars 1149 00:59:00,590 --> 00:59:03,320 as we speak high five for forage I do 1150 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,870 have a primary contact now 1151 00:59:05,870 --> 00:59:08,060 very faint primary contact just to the 1152 00:59:08,060 --> 00:59:09,680 left cross through your 11 o'clock this 1153 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,320 time and range of about the four 1154 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:17,930 trammels contact my 12 o'clock very 1155 00:59:17,930 --> 00:59:25,010 bright yellow object looking well jersey 1156 00:59:25,010 --> 00:59:27,170 blooded a tree to design asked us to 1157 00:59:27,170 --> 00:59:29,090 look if we could see an object to which 1158 00:59:29,090 --> 00:59:32,210 is being sued by a line at the moment 1159 00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:33,260 they've got something about eight 1160 00:59:33,260 --> 00:59:37,100 o'clock resembling the description three 1161 00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:38,390 to Roger what range would you estimate 1162 00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:41,720 last target around about the similar 1163 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,860 range to Albany visor 1164 00:59:53,230 --> 00:59:56,750 passages can see this air brought from 1165 00:59:56,750 --> 00:59:59,140 the island visual dead ahead 1166 00:59:59,140 --> 01:00:01,760 transfer how far probably five miles but 1167 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,040 you stay on the same size trips to be 1168 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,040 often in north north northwest coast of 1169 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,430 opening a line 5/4 or do you like 1170 01:00:10,430 --> 01:00:15,350 descend down five four four I did it 1171 01:00:15,350 --> 01:00:17,720 sent off to two thousand feet the qhs 1 1172 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,350 0 to 1 10 2001 0 to 1 if we flames 1173 01:00:21,350 --> 01:00:29,030 asleep were you scared I wasn't too 1174 01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:31,100 happy why it's quite glad to get on the 1175 01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:34,660 ground and have a cup of tea 1176 01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:38,780 we flew to Guernsey an island off the 1177 01:00:38,780 --> 01:00:41,120 northwest coast of France to get some 1178 01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,190 first-hand testimony where the sighting 1179 01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:45,710 took place here 1180 01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:48,230 we met with captain ray Bowyer and two 1181 01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:49,970 of his passengers we're traveling back 1182 01:00:49,970 --> 01:00:52,460 from Southampton to to Oldham he in in a 1183 01:00:52,460 --> 01:00:58,040 travel day I had noticed ray looking out 1184 01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,540 through the windscreen with his 1185 01:00:59,540 --> 01:01:01,760 binoculars which is quite unusual I saw 1186 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,710 ray turn around and talk to someone 1187 01:01:03,710 --> 01:01:05,570 behind him while we were flying 1188 01:01:05,570 --> 01:01:07,370 no it wasn't whirring from the 1189 01:01:07,370 --> 01:01:09,560 standpoint of flying but it was unusual 1190 01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,830 and he was gesturing to something down 1191 01:01:12,830 --> 01:01:15,200 below or nearing the objects a second 1192 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,810 identical shape appeared beyond the 1193 01:01:17,810 --> 01:01:20,720 first both objects were of a flattened 1194 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,160 disc shape with a dark area to the right 1195 01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,390 they were brilliant yellow with light 1196 01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:29,360 emanating from with him and I submitted 1197 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,280 them to be up to possibly a mile across 1198 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,730 I pointed it out to John he had to lean 1199 01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:38,540 across me to be able to see it it was it 1200 01:01:38,540 --> 01:01:42,260 was like that this is a big object in 1201 01:01:42,260 --> 01:01:46,070 the sky very very big object and I 1202 01:01:46,070 --> 01:01:47,450 didn't want to be too close to it so 1203 01:01:47,450 --> 01:01:48,860 there's at that time anyway where we had 1204 01:01:48,860 --> 01:01:52,190 to descend the land and with both 1205 01:01:52,190 --> 01:01:54,290 objects still visible and a lot of the 1206 01:01:54,290 --> 01:01:55,520 passengers in the back of the aircraft 1207 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,440 we descended through the two thousand 1208 01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,340 foot Hazen layer and lost sight of it so 1209 01:02:01,340 --> 01:02:02,930 rate why didn't you bring this to the 1210 01:02:02,930 --> 01:02:04,220 attention of your passengers I mean 1211 01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:05,570 normally when a parent see something a 1212 01:02:05,570 --> 01:02:07,460 bit of interest he says if you look out 1213 01:02:07,460 --> 01:02:12,190 to your left you'll see New York a 1214 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:16,070 little bit away far away well it was I 1215 01:02:16,070 --> 01:02:18,200 did one on one arm anybody at that point 1216 01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,239 and there again as we got closer to 1217 01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:21,920 these objects there was no hiding it 1218 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,269 they were just there 1219 01:02:33,710 --> 01:02:35,540 take a note of some of the differences 1220 01:02:35,540 --> 01:02:38,450 between the British and the US reporting 1221 01:02:38,450 --> 01:02:39,109 system 1222 01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:41,030 it appears that have to choose on 1223 01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:43,250 opposite sides of the Atlantic are very 1224 01:02:43,250 --> 01:02:44,660 different when it comes to the required 1225 01:02:44,660 --> 01:02:47,420 reporting and recording of this type of 1226 01:02:47,420 --> 01:02:49,940 event I would have been shocked if I was 1227 01:02:49,940 --> 01:02:52,460 told the CIA in UK would obstruct an 1228 01:02:52,460 --> 01:02:55,220 investigation or if the CIA told me that 1229 01:02:55,220 --> 01:02:56,660 what I had seen was something entirely 1230 01:02:56,660 --> 01:02:58,940 different but it seems that pilots in 1231 01:02:58,940 --> 01:03:00,530 America I used to this sort of thing 1232 01:03:00,530 --> 01:03:07,130 here I returned home from Guernsey to 1233 01:03:07,130 --> 01:03:09,140 find a DVD sent to me from Salida 1234 01:03:09,140 --> 01:03:12,230 Colorado listen carefully to the six 1235 01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:14,630 year old girl who points out a UFO to 1236 01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:25,430 her dad I'm not sure what the sounds are 1237 01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:27,770 but the object reminds me of what rain 1238 01:03:27,770 --> 01:03:30,950 is past news described seen it move 1239 01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:32,630 though that part of sky there probably 1240 01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:35,359 moved five hundred it probably moved a 1241 01:03:35,359 --> 01:03:38,570 hundred miles in a matter of a second or 1242 01:03:38,570 --> 01:03:40,630 two 1243 01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:48,820 you see that now 1244 01:03:48,970 --> 01:03:55,300 see going they seem like they can't see 1245 01:04:17,130 --> 01:04:19,720 my name is Joshua Andrew Berg 1246 01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:24,040 I am a retired Air France captain during 1247 01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,430 Air France flight 35 what we do from 1248 01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:32,620 these to London on 28 January 1994 I 1249 01:04:32,620 --> 01:04:36,610 observed with my crew a UFO in broad 1250 01:04:36,610 --> 01:04:39,790 daylight near Paris and it looks like 1251 01:04:39,790 --> 01:04:45,430 this with a bank angle of 45 degrees it 1252 01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:50,470 seemed to be a huge flying disc it 1253 01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:54,070 stabilized and stopped moving it was 1254 01:04:54,070 --> 01:04:59,650 about 1,000 feet wide the most 1255 01:04:59,650 --> 01:05:02,830 incredible expected is that it became 1256 01:05:02,830 --> 01:05:05,920 transparent and disappeared in about 10 1257 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:11,520 to 20 seconds my co-pilot chef Jordan I 1258 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,470 quickly realized that what we were 1259 01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:17,470 seeing did not resemble anything known 1260 01:05:17,470 --> 01:05:21,220 to us and we reported our sighting to 1261 01:05:21,220 --> 01:05:28,450 Russ traffic control there is a crew of 1262 01:05:28,450 --> 01:05:30,180 three percent placed by their 1263 01:05:30,180 --> 01:05:32,620 correlation at the same time not the 1264 01:05:32,620 --> 01:05:34,660 same place at the same time and that 1265 01:05:34,660 --> 01:05:36,610 means that we have had something real 1266 01:05:36,610 --> 01:05:40,830 overprice one day a huge thing 1267 01:05:42,099 --> 01:05:44,619 good evening last week several people in 1268 01:05:44,619 --> 01:05:47,109 Stephenville Texas a small rural town of 1269 01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:50,019 about 15,000 70 miles southwest of Fort 1270 01:05:50,019 --> 01:05:52,239 Worth witnessed what many are calling a 1271 01:05:52,239 --> 01:05:55,180 UFO James Fox I know you've been probing 1272 01:05:55,180 --> 01:05:56,589 this for a long time we've never got an 1273 01:05:56,589 --> 01:05:58,150 answer to this why do you think the Air 1274 01:05:58,150 --> 01:06:00,789 Force doesn't want this out well I mean 1275 01:06:00,789 --> 01:06:02,380 what are they gonna say we don't know 1276 01:06:02,380 --> 01:06:04,269 what's flying around in our airspace 1277 01:06:04,269 --> 01:06:06,279 with it why can't why can't they say 1278 01:06:06,279 --> 01:06:08,709 that I think that possibly could I wish 1279 01:06:08,709 --> 01:06:10,690 they would if the Air Force is listening 1280 01:06:10,690 --> 01:06:13,829 tonight why don't you tell us the truth 1281 01:06:19,859 --> 01:06:24,279 well I came in on Tuesday night a week 1282 01:06:24,279 --> 01:06:26,999 and a half ago started down the driveway 1283 01:06:26,999 --> 01:06:30,099 and I looked back here to the southwest 1284 01:06:30,099 --> 01:06:32,469 just past the windmill 1285 01:06:32,469 --> 01:06:34,779 so I'd say maybe five miles away there 1286 01:06:34,779 --> 01:06:37,180 was a real bright light came on it is 1287 01:06:37,180 --> 01:06:39,779 almost as bright as like a welding arc 1288 01:06:39,779 --> 01:06:41,979 one of the guys that was at my house 1289 01:06:41,979 --> 01:06:44,469 that night called up and said he wasn't 1290 01:06:44,469 --> 01:06:46,059 coming back to my house until we got 1291 01:06:46,059 --> 01:06:48,160 armed guards and I said why is that and 1292 01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:49,779 he said well there was a UFO flew over 1293 01:06:49,779 --> 01:06:52,420 your house Tuesday night I said I saw it 1294 01:06:52,420 --> 01:06:58,509 I was so distracted by what I saw that 1295 01:06:58,509 --> 01:07:01,479 you could have had you could have had a 1296 01:07:01,479 --> 01:07:03,430 train coat in front of me and I would 1297 01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:04,930 probably hurt it because I was so 1298 01:07:04,930 --> 01:07:06,880 focused on these lights but I do not 1299 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,410 remember hearing any noise at all 1300 01:07:08,410 --> 01:07:10,420 whatsoever how would you describe the 1301 01:07:10,420 --> 01:07:15,400 acceleration probably the the speed of 1302 01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:19,150 light and I tried keeping that with my 1303 01:07:19,150 --> 01:07:22,049 binoculars I couldn't this case so far 1304 01:07:22,049 --> 01:07:27,039 qualifies for that 5% like a sound the 1305 01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:29,410 speed of the object and apparently the 1306 01:07:29,410 --> 01:07:31,630 military's interest it's coming from 1307 01:07:31,630 --> 01:07:34,119 that direction this way and I did hear 1308 01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:36,039 the Jets you know we're used to seeing 1309 01:07:36,039 --> 01:07:39,039 military aircraft in our skies here in 1310 01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:41,289 this area we're used to seeing you know 1311 01:07:41,289 --> 01:07:42,940 the helicopters and the fighter jets and 1312 01:07:42,940 --> 01:07:44,680 the c-130s and I mean we know what those 1313 01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,630 look like by the way so when it comes to 1314 01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:48,309 military aircraft I am a trained 1315 01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:54,400 observer so whatever that base 1316 01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,319 why don't we take another break here 1317 01:07:56,319 --> 01:07:58,660 we're visiting with James Fox filmmaker 1318 01:07:58,660 --> 01:08:01,900 in town doing research on the the UFOs 1319 01:08:01,900 --> 01:08:03,670 and interviews we'll take a break we're 1320 01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:04,720 back right after this 1321 01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,119 good evening everyone welcome to Dublin 1322 01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:09,910 in Dublin the whole town showed up to 1323 01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:12,700 discuss this sighting my name is Steve 1324 01:08:12,700 --> 01:08:14,319 Huggins I'm senior field investigator 1325 01:08:14,319 --> 01:08:15,940 for a MUFON we're down here to 1326 01:08:15,940 --> 01:08:18,039 investigate this extraordinary event it 1327 01:08:18,039 --> 01:08:19,779 was going so fast and didn't make any 1328 01:08:19,779 --> 01:08:22,089 noise that light seemed to be streaming 1329 01:08:22,089 --> 01:08:24,039 and breaking around it then ten minutes 1330 01:08:24,039 --> 01:08:26,049 later it came back by and that's when it 1331 01:08:26,049 --> 01:08:27,819 had the two military jets chasing it 1332 01:08:27,819 --> 01:08:30,549 I've been a witness to this and give you 1333 01:08:30,549 --> 01:08:32,980 all the information I can you don't want 1334 01:08:32,980 --> 01:08:34,839 to come forward and say anything because 1335 01:08:34,839 --> 01:08:36,789 they'll say oh they're an idiot because 1336 01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:39,009 I've thought that before until I saw 1337 01:08:39,009 --> 01:08:41,559 this I guarantee the jet whoever was 1338 01:08:41,559 --> 01:08:43,210 flying the jets they had a visual on it 1339 01:08:43,210 --> 01:08:45,819 it was incredible and listened to many 1340 01:08:45,819 --> 01:08:48,190 witnesses and then went to the editors 1341 01:08:48,190 --> 01:08:50,289 of the local paper for this story first 1342 01:08:50,289 --> 01:08:54,549 broke Angela Joyner saw me on CNN the 1343 01:08:54,549 --> 01:08:57,490 night before and assumed I had all the 1344 01:08:57,490 --> 01:08:58,089 answers 1345 01:08:58,089 --> 01:09:01,390 major Carl Lewis at cars well I've 1346 01:09:01,390 --> 01:09:04,450 talked to him a lot and he said 1347 01:09:04,450 --> 01:09:07,450 something of this size would leave a 1348 01:09:07,450 --> 01:09:10,180 sonic footprint much like what we know 1349 01:09:10,180 --> 01:09:14,710 as a tornado path it would just demolish 1350 01:09:14,710 --> 01:09:17,980 things on the ground why why don't we 1351 01:09:17,980 --> 01:09:26,980 see that I have no idea Angela and local 1352 01:09:26,980 --> 01:09:30,130 radio station mandatory FM introduced me 1353 01:09:30,130 --> 01:09:33,160 to Ricky Sorrels we had a drink at the 1354 01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,170 local bar where he agreed to meet with 1355 01:09:35,170 --> 01:09:37,420 me the following days aircraft in the 1356 01:09:37,420 --> 01:09:39,488 area they wouldn't normally be flying 1357 01:09:39,488 --> 01:09:41,859 they told me that Ricky had seen a lot 1358 01:09:41,859 --> 01:09:45,170 more than lights in the sky 1359 01:09:45,170 --> 01:09:49,310 you know I used to thank the people that 1360 01:09:49,310 --> 01:09:51,200 saw this and came on camera and said 1361 01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,870 this kind of stuff I thought man these 1362 01:09:53,870 --> 01:09:56,630 guys need some help you know but it 1363 01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:59,779 happened to me and I can't change that I 1364 01:09:59,779 --> 01:10:03,020 had a hard time dealing with it she 1365 01:10:03,020 --> 01:10:03,950 looked at all the way in that direction 1366 01:10:03,950 --> 01:10:06,290 you didn't see me looking up Ricky said 1367 01:10:06,290 --> 01:10:08,000 he could not see the edge of the craft 1368 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,580 in any direction you couldn't see the 1369 01:10:10,580 --> 01:10:12,740 edge of it considered but I do know this 1370 01:10:12,740 --> 01:10:14,029 it's bigger 1371 01:10:14,029 --> 01:10:16,340 you can landing an airplane oh man I 1372 01:10:16,340 --> 01:10:20,180 boys guys can grab this story nothing no 1373 01:10:20,180 --> 01:10:23,600 sound was hovering nothing when it moved 1374 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,000 from left to right and nothing when it 1375 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,880 took off and holding his rifle and 1376 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,130 sometimes actually looking through his 1377 01:10:31,130 --> 01:10:31,880 scope 1378 01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,609 Ricky stood under the craft for about 1379 01:10:34,609 --> 01:10:35,720 three minutes 1380 01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,430 alifair have been in that situation but 1381 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,590 very few times my life but I had to slow 1382 01:10:42,590 --> 01:10:45,319 my mind down to to actually think about 1383 01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:47,569 what to do with it the information that 1384 01:10:47,569 --> 01:10:50,410 I was receiving for the first time and 1385 01:10:50,410 --> 01:10:53,779 that's what I did I studied it you know 1386 01:10:53,779 --> 01:10:57,920 I seen no nuts bolts rivets seams no 1387 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,430 welds none of this it looked like a 1388 01:11:01,430 --> 01:11:05,510 piece of sheet metal you know it it 1389 01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:09,770 wasn't shiny it was a dull I don't know 1390 01:11:09,770 --> 01:11:13,819 what she thought Matt finished me this 1391 01:11:13,819 --> 01:11:16,880 is what I had a hard time with was if 1392 01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,640 something wants to leave in my mind it 1393 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,220 should give it up and go like an 1394 01:11:22,220 --> 01:11:25,610 airplane would this did not do that this 1395 01:11:25,610 --> 01:11:29,120 stayed completely flat and it went at a 1396 01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,300 45 degree angle away and it took off 1397 01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:33,910 it's such a high rate of speed that 1398 01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:36,110 nobody scribed is if I would have 1399 01:11:36,110 --> 01:11:38,180 blinked I would have thought it just 1400 01:11:38,180 --> 01:11:39,800 disappear 1401 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:44,210 On January 21st 2008 Robert Powell and 1402 01:11:44,210 --> 01:11:46,610 Glen Schultz received radar data from 1403 01:11:46,610 --> 01:11:49,969 the FAA this image was created directly 1404 01:11:49,969 --> 01:11:54,710 from that data each black dot and there 1405 01:11:54,710 --> 01:11:56,750 were over a hundred and forty represent 1406 01:11:56,750 --> 01:11:58,849 radar confirmation of an unknown object 1407 01:11:58,849 --> 01:12:01,400 whose flight path is seen heading 1408 01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:07,520 towards Crawford ranch I just want to 1409 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,940 know what it is you know why was it here 1410 01:12:10,940 --> 01:12:15,199 what was it is it ours you know I kind 1411 01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:17,809 of think although the military initially 1412 01:12:17,809 --> 01:12:20,210 denied being in the area the official 1413 01:12:20,210 --> 01:12:22,940 explanation from the Air Force is now a 1414 01:12:22,940 --> 01:12:27,020 flight of f-16s after each witness I 1415 01:12:27,020 --> 01:12:29,900 meet I find it increasingly difficult to 1416 01:12:29,900 --> 01:12:32,300 accept the military's response I've 1417 01:12:32,300 --> 01:12:34,790 actually stepped back and tried to be 1418 01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:37,969 the big picture I would like to find out 1419 01:12:37,969 --> 01:12:40,909 what it is then if people believe me 1420 01:12:40,909 --> 01:12:44,469 okay if they don't that's okay too 1421 01:12:47,530 --> 01:12:50,719 mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper was the 1422 01:12:50,719 --> 01:12:52,880 last American astronaut to go up in 1423 01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,659 space alone he orbited the planet 22 1424 01:12:56,659 --> 01:13:02,030 times while stationed at Edwards Air 1425 01:13:02,030 --> 01:13:05,179 Force Base in the early 1950s Cooper was 1426 01:13:05,179 --> 01:13:07,520 part of an event that has never been 1427 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,369 explained I was having some the 1428 01:13:10,369 --> 01:13:12,739 cameraman film the installation of a 1429 01:13:12,739 --> 01:13:15,349 precision landing facility they were 1430 01:13:15,349 --> 01:13:16,709 putting in my own 1431 01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:19,979 the dry lane and then saw her flee right 1432 01:13:19,979 --> 01:13:22,110 over him putting down three little gear 1433 01:13:22,110 --> 01:13:26,630 and landing out on the dry lake bed and 1434 01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,209 they went out picked up their cameras 1435 01:13:30,209 --> 01:13:34,019 and moved on out toward him filming and 1436 01:13:34,019 --> 01:13:35,999 he left it off put the gear back in the 1437 01:13:35,999 --> 01:13:38,880 well climbed out a very high rate of 1438 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,329 speed and disappear and the time they 1439 01:13:42,329 --> 01:13:44,070 got back with the developed film I was 1440 01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:45,599 on the higher and higher and higher 1441 01:13:45,599 --> 01:13:48,380 level laughs they're talking to me 1442 01:13:48,380 --> 01:13:52,650 anyway the colonel telling me do you 1443 01:13:52,650 --> 01:13:54,179 know when the film arrived at my desk 1444 01:13:54,179 --> 01:13:56,340 they put it in the carrier pouch there 1445 01:13:56,340 --> 01:13:58,289 would be occurred there at my office by 1446 01:13:58,289 --> 01:14:01,199 that time already and they'd arranged 1447 01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:03,630 for him to fly in our base airplane back 1448 01:14:03,630 --> 01:14:07,829 to Washington with these films and do 1449 01:14:07,829 --> 01:14:11,219 not run prints etc etcetera etcetera did 1450 01:14:11,219 --> 01:14:13,679 you watch the film we didn't have a 1451 01:14:13,679 --> 01:14:15,840 chance to run it I had a chance to hold 1452 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,729 it up to the window and look at it it 1453 01:14:17,729 --> 01:14:20,820 was certainly good found did you ever 1454 01:14:20,820 --> 01:14:22,110 keep in touch with anybody about it or 1455 01:14:22,110 --> 01:14:23,729 discuss how would I keep in touch with 1456 01:14:23,729 --> 01:14:24,949 anybody about it 1457 01:14:24,949 --> 01:14:27,570 there's no way within the military or 1458 01:14:27,570 --> 01:14:29,159 within the government of keeping track 1459 01:14:29,159 --> 01:14:31,739 or something that is classified unless 1460 01:14:31,739 --> 01:14:33,360 you were directly involved in it and I 1461 01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,119 was not this meeting was a turning point 1462 01:14:36,119 --> 01:14:38,760 for my father Gordon Cooper was an icon 1463 01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,010 of his generation and my father was 1464 01:14:41,010 --> 01:14:43,800 amazed by his story at that point in 1465 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,329 time there's no doubt in my mind that 1466 01:14:45,329 --> 01:14:48,329 this vehicle was made at some other 1467 01:14:48,329 --> 01:14:58,499 place than here on earth yeah well Buck 1468 01:14:58,499 --> 01:15:00,949 Rogers and Flash Gordon coming through 1469 01:15:00,949 --> 01:15:03,479 after the film was sent to Washington 1470 01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:07,789 that was never seen or heard of again 1471 01:15:10,969 --> 01:15:14,070 Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell was 1472 01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:16,240 the sixth man to walk on the moon 1473 01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,640 he has met with people in military and 1474 01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,440 government positions from several 1475 01:15:20,440 --> 01:15:22,480 countries who have privately shared with 1476 01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:25,590 him information about UFOs seem to be 1477 01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:29,890 well documented events that represent 1478 01:15:29,890 --> 01:15:33,340 flying craft that do not match anything 1479 01:15:33,340 --> 01:15:35,650 we have in an Earthbound arsenal 1480 01:15:35,650 --> 01:15:39,580 I felt that dr. Mitchell would know the 1481 01:15:39,580 --> 01:15:40,980 reasons for secrecy 1482 01:15:40,980 --> 01:15:44,260 why was the wall I can't answer that 1483 01:15:44,260 --> 01:15:46,390 question that I think it's a long past 1484 01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:51,070 time to open this up for the public but 1485 01:15:51,070 --> 01:15:55,240 the best answer is probably because they 1486 01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,530 don't know what to do about it in here 1487 01:15:59,910 --> 01:16:02,770 my father and I caught up with President 1488 01:16:02,770 --> 01:16:04,510 Carter at a book signing in San 1489 01:16:04,510 --> 01:16:12,700 Francisco I don't know what happened to 1490 01:16:12,700 --> 01:16:14,260 it I saw one but I don't know what just 1491 01:16:14,260 --> 01:16:15,010 disappeared 1492 01:16:15,010 --> 01:16:17,410 did you all spin you a president yeah 1493 01:16:17,410 --> 01:16:19,390 but there's a lot of different answers 1494 01:16:19,390 --> 01:16:23,040 and nobody knows has proof or anything 1495 01:16:25,870 --> 01:16:29,060 the question of secrecy has puzzled me 1496 01:16:29,060 --> 01:16:33,110 for years I asked the panelists in DC to 1497 01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:35,840 offer possible explanations some of the 1498 01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,490 questions that man on the street have 1499 01:16:37,490 --> 01:16:40,960 and whoever wants to address this can is 1500 01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:45,200 why in your opinion would any government 1501 01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,870 hide this from the people are not 1502 01:16:47,870 --> 01:16:50,030 disclosed this type of information of 1503 01:16:50,030 --> 01:16:53,180 what's going on when there are witnesses 1504 01:16:53,180 --> 01:16:56,570 of sightings coming in they are very 1505 01:16:56,570 --> 01:16:59,900 directed to do to pick up the issue to 1506 01:16:59,900 --> 01:17:01,280 investigate because they have no 1507 01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,680 structure and they don't know how 200cc 1508 01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,920 Toonami NASA the agendas conocido do not 1509 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,830 NFP LoCascio is a podría - I mean atha 1510 01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:14,590 atha sistema the conservación de poder I 1511 01:17:14,590 --> 01:17:17,150 suspect for at least five agencies in 1512 01:17:17,150 --> 01:17:18,320 the US government that have 1513 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,720 investigative capability and do maintain 1514 01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,590 files on UFOs public opinion I think is 1515 01:17:24,590 --> 01:17:27,560 asking for information it is ready to 1516 01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,150 believe that there is something serious 1517 01:17:29,150 --> 01:17:32,450 if we can convince the government it 1518 01:17:32,450 --> 01:17:38,030 could change good morning ladies and 1519 01:17:38,030 --> 01:17:41,480 gentlemen my name is jean claude rim and 1520 01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:44,180 i am an astronomer working for the 1521 01:17:44,180 --> 01:17:45,020 French 1522 01:17:45,020 --> 01:17:47,900 santé national de la certificate from 1523 01:17:47,900 --> 01:17:52,910 1963 to 1998 I contributed to the French 1524 01:17:52,910 --> 01:17:56,630 cometa report sphere a military study on 1525 01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:59,720 UFOs and national security released in 1526 01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,440 1999 chimera translates as committee for 1527 01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:06,350 in-depth studies it was in essence a 1528 01:18:06,350 --> 01:18:07,900 high-level think-tank 1529 01:18:07,900 --> 01:18:10,550 committee included such members as 1530 01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:12,980 four-star general bernard lala who was 1531 01:18:12,980 --> 01:18:14,120 the former commander of the french 1532 01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,370 tactical air force and military 1533 01:18:16,370 --> 01:18:19,760 counselor to the prime minister as well 1534 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,980 as andre LeBeau former president of the 1535 01:18:21,980 --> 01:18:24,430 National Center for Space Studies and 1536 01:18:24,430 --> 01:18:25,700 attorney-at-law 1537 01:18:25,700 --> 01:18:28,430 Michele Algar director of the kinetic 1538 01:18:28,430 --> 01:18:29,620 group 1539 01:18:29,620 --> 01:18:31,720 the Kemetic group published its findings 1540 01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,380 in an historical 90 page report titled 1541 01:18:35,380 --> 01:18:37,090 UFOs and defense 1542 01:18:37,090 --> 01:18:41,080 what should we prepare for the formation 1543 01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,270 of the Kemetic group was initiated by 1544 01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:46,080 French Air Force general Dennis Letty 1545 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,030 Kemetic concluded that about 5 percent 1546 01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:51,190 of the cases studied were inexplicable 1547 01:18:51,190 --> 01:18:53,950 and that the best explanation was what 1548 01:18:53,950 --> 01:18:54,940 the authors called 1549 01:18:54,940 --> 01:18:59,410 the extra-terrestrial hypothesis with 1550 01:18:59,410 --> 01:19:01,600 investigative journalists Leslie Kane I 1551 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:05,770 flew to France to meet general Leni we 1552 01:19:05,770 --> 01:19:07,360 met the general at his home on the 1553 01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,660 outskirts of Paris we went over some of 1554 01:19:10,660 --> 01:19:12,730 the more puzzling encounters that led 1555 01:19:12,730 --> 01:19:14,560 the group to their conclusions and he 1556 01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,820 saw the disc every pilot sightings 1557 01:19:18,820 --> 01:19:22,810 confirmed by radar very quickly I would 1558 01:19:22,810 --> 01:19:25,090 have assigned in cases involving soil 1559 01:19:25,090 --> 01:19:27,750 and plant analysis from landing sites I 1560 01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:30,010 had looked into one of these cases 1561 01:19:30,010 --> 01:19:33,550 myself farmer Renato Nicolai from 1562 01:19:33,550 --> 01:19:36,130 TransAm Provence reported that a 1563 01:19:36,130 --> 01:19:38,500 disc-shaped object landed in his garden 1564 01:19:38,500 --> 01:19:41,140 in the late afternoon the farmer said 1565 01:19:41,140 --> 01:19:44,800 day goes on budget to us yet Luna wrote 1566 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,350 when he told his wife she assumed he had 1567 01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:51,220 heat stroke and had hallucinate however 1568 01:19:51,220 --> 01:19:53,560 scientific analysis of the landing site 1569 01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,260 showed high levels of radiation and when 1570 01:19:56,260 --> 01:19:59,080 I visited the site back in 1999 almost 1571 01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,390 20 years later nothing had grown in that 1572 01:20:01,390 --> 01:20:06,720 spot kupah beaucoup beaucoup de fois AC 1573 01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,400 the town of Charles on / vaults 1574 01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,830 labeled a farmer a flying saucer fanatic 1575 01:20:12,830 --> 01:20:15,410 Papa D Rikishi to NASA Cooper Bowlin 1576 01:20:15,410 --> 01:20:19,610 Turkish city you gotta show sir wait you 1577 01:20:19,610 --> 01:20:23,000 said daddy but what is his 1578 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,760 photograph general Letty also shared 1579 01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,980 with us some impressive photographic 1580 01:20:27,980 --> 01:20:30,950 cases one of these was featured on the 1581 01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:33,470 cover of the committee report Matt beam 1582 01:20:33,470 --> 01:20:35,120 is it not happening the ground on the 1583 01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,180 ground developing a mapping plane from 1584 01:20:38,180 --> 01:20:40,520 the government of Costa Rica was flying 1585 01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,580 at 10,000 feet and had a high-resolution 1586 01:20:43,580 --> 01:20:46,100 camera running automatically under the 1587 01:20:46,100 --> 01:20:48,530 fuselage taking a picture every 17 1588 01:20:48,530 --> 01:20:53,000 seconds on one of the frames this object 1589 01:20:53,000 --> 01:21:02,630 was captured after careful analysis by 1590 01:21:02,630 --> 01:21:04,820 several scientists including Richard 1591 01:21:04,820 --> 01:21:07,160 Haines and Jacques Vallee it was 1592 01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:09,050 determined that the object captured on 1593 01:21:09,050 --> 01:21:11,440 film was a real three-dimensional 1594 01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:16,250 airborne object was announced that 1595 01:21:16,250 --> 01:21:18,410 people would panic if the government's 1596 01:21:18,410 --> 01:21:19,820 announced well there are the 1597 01:21:19,820 --> 01:21:27,800 unidentified objects are real I cannot 1598 01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:32,360 say yes but I cannot say no I asked the 1599 01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,330 general to explain the committee reports 1600 01:21:34,330 --> 01:21:37,670 extra-terrestrial hypothesis for us we 1601 01:21:37,670 --> 01:21:40,420 think that the best explanation is that 1602 01:21:40,420 --> 01:21:44,770 object came from outside 1603 01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:49,400 we don't say they come from outside but 1604 01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:57,250 the best explanation is this that pitous 1605 01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,600 in 2007 an investigative branch of CNES 1606 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,420 the French equivalent of NASA made 1607 01:22:06,420 --> 01:22:08,340 sixteen hundred sightings spanning five 1608 01:22:08,340 --> 01:22:12,110 decades available to the public 1609 01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:20,970 I asked CNES for an interview I want to 1610 01:22:20,970 --> 01:22:22,740 know who allowed the release of these 1611 01:22:22,740 --> 01:22:26,430 files and why silly president is 1612 01:22:26,430 --> 01:22:29,730 intentionally to special canto continue 1613 01:22:29,730 --> 01:22:32,940 decided home at home would lock defeated 1614 01:22:32,940 --> 01:22:37,920 Japan the organ is a donee missione 1615 01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,460 the Hawaii the Vasant transparent is a 1616 01:22:41,460 --> 01:22:45,600 video public in the media we reviewed 1617 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,960 several extraordinary cases some even 1618 01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,900 involve landings I asked him what his 1619 01:22:51,900 --> 01:22:55,530 personal beliefs were to problem on 1620 01:22:55,530 --> 01:22:57,330 to the equivalent of future potential 1621 01:22:57,330 --> 01:23:00,810 due to a stock tank as computed a DBZ 1622 01:23:00,810 --> 01:23:03,240 the exact arrest madoka from probably 1623 01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,520 more the is observers your natural 1624 01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,390 economic forum quite speak your own 1625 01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:10,980 assassin growled can you swap taken is 1626 01:23:10,980 --> 01:23:15,080 talk it's like home for it 1627 01:23:27,550 --> 01:23:30,010 I wanted to know how releasing this 1628 01:23:30,010 --> 01:23:31,930 information might have affected the 1629 01:23:31,930 --> 01:23:34,560 people of France 1630 01:23:37,290 --> 01:23:40,710 we took to the streets would you bother 1631 01:23:40,710 --> 01:23:44,610 of me required tips weekly le fou no sir 1632 01:23:44,610 --> 01:23:47,160 no suppose Q through posted when I've 1633 01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:51,270 loved it whether you see a CEO who set 1634 01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:53,160 them to be pyramid the paul ii have you 1635 01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:57,140 had of me a knock in unary park 1636 01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:11,070 does it make you scared yeah I'm scared 1637 01:24:11,070 --> 01:24:12,420 too that they're gonna come and they're 1638 01:24:12,420 --> 01:24:14,670 gonna be hostile and they're gonna try 1639 01:24:14,670 --> 01:24:17,310 and I think I'm making a hurtles or do 1640 01:24:17,310 --> 01:24:18,990 something to the world do you think 1641 01:24:18,990 --> 01:24:20,460 governments know more than what they're 1642 01:24:20,460 --> 01:24:22,200 telling us apart from American 1643 01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:27,210 governments yeah sqd Percy because uh 1644 01:24:27,210 --> 01:24:30,020 proven you see 1645 01:24:48,170 --> 01:24:50,390 so what do you do do you think that the 1646 01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:53,150 British government the mo D is preparing 1647 01:24:53,150 --> 01:24:55,430 for any type of disclosure do you think 1648 01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:55,940 it's just routine 1649 01:24:55,940 --> 01:24:58,970 how's it going to happen it's not gonna 1650 01:24:58,970 --> 01:25:01,310 be as I say disclosure with a big D 1651 01:25:01,310 --> 01:25:03,440 they're gonna be disclosure with a small 1652 01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:05,180 T in other words we will be releasing 1653 01:25:05,180 --> 01:25:09,020 the files but in May 2008 the British 1654 01:25:09,020 --> 01:25:11,420 government began the process of 1655 01:25:11,420 --> 01:25:13,880 releasing its entire archive of UFO 1656 01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:14,780 FILES 1657 01:25:14,780 --> 01:25:18,890 from 1991 through to 1994 I was desk 1658 01:25:18,890 --> 01:25:20,390 officer responsible for these 1659 01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:23,120 investigations and these cases included 1660 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,790 incidents where reliable witnesses such 1661 01:25:25,790 --> 01:25:28,400 as police officers and pilots reported 1662 01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,190 structured craft performing speeds and 1663 01:25:31,190 --> 01:25:33,680 maneuvers significantly in excess of 1664 01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,540 anything that they'd seen military jet 1665 01:25:35,540 --> 01:25:39,950 aircraft perform in July of 2009 the 1666 01:25:39,950 --> 01:25:41,870 Ministry of Defence released this 1667 01:25:41,870 --> 01:25:44,420 document it's a briefing regarding the 1668 01:25:44,420 --> 01:25:51,200 mass sighting over England in 1993 in 1669 01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,620 summary it states there would seem to be 1670 01:25:54,620 --> 01:25:56,900 some evidence on this occasion that an 1671 01:25:56,900 --> 01:25:59,150 unidentified object or objects of 1672 01:25:59,150 --> 01:26:04,090 unknown origin was operating over the UK 1673 01:26:06,469 --> 01:26:08,269 to the skeptics who say there's no 1674 01:26:08,269 --> 01:26:10,820 evidence I would say this the Ministry 1675 01:26:10,820 --> 01:26:12,320 of Defense in the United Kingdom has 1676 01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,769 received 10,000 UFO reports since 1950 1677 01:26:15,769 --> 01:26:17,749 not just lights in the sky but 1678 01:26:17,749 --> 01:26:19,789 structured craft sometimes tracked on 1679 01:26:19,789 --> 01:26:22,039 radar but don't take my word for it all 1680 01:26:22,039 --> 01:26:24,889 this can be viewed at the National 1681 01:26:24,889 --> 01:26:26,749 Archives on the Ministry of Defence 1682 01:26:26,749 --> 01:26:29,840 website so the evidence is right out 1683 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:30,880 there 1684 01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,860 the phenomenon has not changed a great 1685 01:26:33,860 --> 01:26:35,539 deal has not changed materially since 1686 01:26:35,539 --> 01:26:38,570 1947 and I am quite sure that neither we 1687 01:26:38,570 --> 01:26:40,130 nor the Russians had anything like the 1688 01:26:40,130 --> 01:26:42,320 capabilities demonstrated by the UFOs in 1689 01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:46,729 47 I don't think we have now thousands 1690 01:26:46,729 --> 01:26:50,150 of witnesses no credible witnesses which 1691 01:26:50,150 --> 01:26:53,199 can confirm that indeed this so 1692 01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:56,710 activities which cannot be related to 1693 01:26:56,710 --> 01:27:00,519 terrestrial activities 1694 01:27:02,639 --> 01:27:04,739 they're not aerodynamic there's 1695 01:27:04,739 --> 01:27:06,900 something else and the suspicion is that 1696 01:27:06,900 --> 01:27:09,810 their antigravity or some kind of 1697 01:27:09,810 --> 01:27:13,230 electromagnetic growth a tech drive to 1698 01:27:13,230 --> 01:27:14,969 them which would explain a lot of things 1699 01:27:14,969 --> 01:27:16,020 that goes on including the 1700 01:27:16,020 --> 01:27:18,270 electromagnetic effects on vehicles and 1701 01:27:18,270 --> 01:27:25,139 so forth furthermore it is not customary 1702 01:27:25,139 --> 01:27:27,659 for countries to test their secret 1703 01:27:27,659 --> 01:27:30,210 weapons or secret devices in 133 1704 01:27:30,210 --> 01:27:32,010 different countries all over the place 1705 01:27:32,010 --> 01:27:35,369 and also from a moral standpoint I doubt 1706 01:27:35,369 --> 01:27:36,659 very much that we would have sent 1707 01:27:36,659 --> 01:27:38,550 astronauts to the moon using antiquated 1708 01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:41,130 chemical fuels if we had a way of doing 1709 01:27:41,130 --> 01:27:46,440 it much more efficiently if we have then 1710 01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:48,330 it's criminal that's being kept strictly 1711 01:27:48,330 --> 01:27:49,860 in military hands because this would 1712 01:27:49,860 --> 01:27:51,840 solve all of our energy problems in the 1713 01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,020 world 1714 01:28:00,099 --> 01:28:03,040 so I've given up the whole idea that it 1715 01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,010 could possibly be from any place on 1716 01:28:06,010 --> 01:28:07,889 earth 1717 01:28:07,889 --> 01:28:12,340 why don't tell the public what's going 1718 01:28:12,340 --> 01:28:16,389 on to accept that some object over fly 1719 01:28:16,389 --> 01:28:19,300 and the country being unable to clear 1720 01:28:19,300 --> 01:28:25,480 the sky of the you cannot admit it do 1721 01:28:25,480 --> 01:28:26,739 you think it's possible that was from 1722 01:28:26,739 --> 01:28:31,420 another world I my Air Force training 1723 01:28:31,420 --> 01:28:34,780 says I can't think that way ok a story 1724 01:28:34,780 --> 01:28:36,579 this big there's no way it could be kept 1725 01:28:36,579 --> 01:28:37,929 secret from the public what do you say 1726 01:28:37,929 --> 01:28:40,480 to someone like that that says that well 1727 01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:42,070 somebody's kept it pretty cigarette for 1728 01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:45,270 quite a while and thing 1729 01:28:47,499 --> 01:28:50,050 our country needs to reopen its official 1730 01:28:50,050 --> 01:28:53,429 investigation that it shut down in 1969 1731 01:28:53,429 --> 01:28:56,289 the United States government can no 1732 01:28:56,289 --> 01:28:58,780 longer shun an international dialogue 1733 01:28:58,780 --> 01:29:01,780 about this phenomenon and we invite the 1734 01:29:01,780 --> 01:29:03,699 government to work in cooperation with 1735 01:29:03,699 --> 01:29:06,249 countries as represented on both sides 1736 01:29:06,249 --> 01:29:10,360 of me here today this position is 1737 01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,369 supported by President Clinton's former 1738 01:29:12,369 --> 01:29:17,409 chief of staff John Podesta Podesta also 1739 01:29:17,409 --> 01:29:20,079 an adviser to President Obama spoke at a 1740 01:29:20,079 --> 01:29:22,780 2002 press conference organized by the 1741 01:29:22,780 --> 01:29:25,269 Coalition for freedom of information I 1742 01:29:25,269 --> 01:29:28,170 think it's time to open the books on 1743 01:29:28,170 --> 01:29:30,369 questions that have remained in the dark 1744 01:29:30,369 --> 01:29:32,949 under the question of government 1745 01:29:32,949 --> 01:29:37,479 investigations of UFOs it's time to find 1746 01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,090 out what what the truth really is that's 1747 01:29:40,090 --> 01:29:42,550 out there we ought to do it really 1748 01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:44,800 because it's right we ought to do it 1749 01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,809 because the American people quite 1750 01:29:46,809 --> 01:29:50,050 frankly can handle the truth and we do 1751 01:29:50,050 --> 01:29:53,280 it because it's the law 1752 01:30:15,070 --> 01:30:17,450 there was one last thing I asked Jack 1753 01:30:17,450 --> 01:30:18,230 Padme 1754 01:30:18,230 --> 01:30:20,540 the man who helped release Frances UFO 1755 01:30:20,540 --> 01:30:24,080 FILES what advice he would give to the 1756 01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,180 American government warship at the 1757 01:30:26,180 --> 01:30:32,900 Pokemon conseil may bozo posture sample 1758 01:30:32,900 --> 01:30:33,260 more 1759 01:30:33,260 --> 01:30:37,310 DFK reports for our the read 1760 01:30:37,310 --> 01:30:39,200 Ephesians is a pharmacy wanna see too 1761 01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,350 major but no permit the duty the concern 1762 01:30:42,350 --> 01:30:49,070 among a charioteer low in Osama Co 1763 01:30:49,070 --> 01:30:52,040 Alejandra knows eNOS infidelity I've met 1764 01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:53,780 with your four witnesses from around the 1765 01:30:53,780 --> 01:30:57,290 world military officers politicians and 1766 01:30:57,290 --> 01:31:00,470 everyday people like you and me and he 1767 01:31:00,470 --> 01:31:03,440 says this target over here they come 1768 01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:05,330 forward with nothing to gain and 1769 01:31:05,330 --> 01:31:07,850 everything to lose because they want 1770 01:31:07,850 --> 01:31:11,540 answers not the same old explanations of 1771 01:31:11,540 --> 01:31:14,570 swamp gas military flares weather 1772 01:31:14,570 --> 01:31:17,450 balloons or misidentified aircraft but 1773 01:31:17,450 --> 01:31:20,740 the truth there's no reason for me not 1774 01:31:20,740 --> 01:31:23,600 to say what I saw I had nothing hired I 1775 01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,730 have nothing to gain maybe somebody 1776 01:31:25,730 --> 01:31:27,620 involved with the US government knows 1777 01:31:27,620 --> 01:31:29,870 the origin of these crafts but I don't 1778 01:31:29,870 --> 01:31:32,510 all of a sudden ten degrees to my right 1779 01:31:32,510 --> 01:31:34,820 they're ours then somebody has been 1780 01:31:34,820 --> 01:31:35,470 hiding 1781 01:31:35,470 --> 01:31:38,390 revolutionary technology for over 50 1782 01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:41,600 years I've never seen anything go so 1783 01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:45,380 fast in my life as I think would ya if 1784 01:31:45,380 --> 01:31:49,520 any of them are not man-made then we're 1785 01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,619 not alone 1786 01:31:51,619 --> 01:31:53,679 you136075

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