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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,334 --> 00:00:03,097 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:03,169 --> 00:00:06,832 sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous. 3 00:00:06,906 --> 00:00:08,032 In New York City, 4 00:00:08,108 --> 00:00:10,872 the dedicated detectives who investigate these vicious felonies 5 00:00:10,944 --> 00:00:14,607 are members of an elite squad known as the Special Victims Unit. 6 00:00:14,681 --> 00:00:16,649 These are their stories. 7 00:00:18,852 --> 00:00:22,219 Yeah. Okay, thanks. Come on. 8 00:00:24,024 --> 00:00:25,457 Go, go, go! 9 00:00:38,605 --> 00:00:42,063 Police! NYPD! We have a search warrant! 10 00:00:44,010 --> 00:00:45,534 What the hell? 11 00:00:46,212 --> 00:00:47,611 Somebody got here before us. 12 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,308 Secure it. I don't want any surprises. 13 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:52,313 Too late. 14 00:01:00,293 --> 00:01:02,124 I better call in SVU. 15 00:01:02,495 --> 00:01:04,929 We are not handing this bust over to them. 16 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:08,591 Don't worry. I got a buddy. 17 00:01:09,569 --> 00:01:10,729 Better be good. 18 00:01:10,804 --> 00:01:12,829 Anonymous phone tip said somebody was dealing. 19 00:01:12,906 --> 00:01:16,398 We surveilled a week, caught a lot of traffic in and out of this place. 20 00:01:16,476 --> 00:01:21,846 Get our warrant, bust in, find our alleged dealer sliced and diced. 21 00:01:21,915 --> 00:01:25,407 Signs of burglary, and by her appearance I'm guessing she's been raped, too. 22 00:01:25,485 --> 00:01:29,888 But, you know, I wanted a trained SVU detective like yourself on the case. 23 00:01:29,956 --> 00:01:32,481 Rape-homicide falls on SVU no matter what. 24 00:01:32,559 --> 00:01:35,084 You didn't have to hand it to me personally. 25 00:01:35,161 --> 00:01:37,994 There's a big haul here. Looks good for my guys to turn it in. 26 00:01:38,064 --> 00:01:41,465 Yeah, right. You get all the glory and we get all the work. 27 00:01:41,534 --> 00:01:45,937 So you trying to tell me that Laura Ashley here is some kind of big kingpin? 28 00:01:46,005 --> 00:01:47,472 Where are the drugs? 29 00:01:47,540 --> 00:01:49,098 You didn't get the complete tour. 30 00:02:00,487 --> 00:02:02,011 Over two hundred plants. 31 00:02:02,088 --> 00:02:04,386 Pull in a couple of hundred thou on the street. 32 00:02:06,292 --> 00:02:08,260 Perp missed the jackpot. 33 00:02:57,243 --> 00:03:00,838 M.E. Estimates TOD yesterday between 9:00 a. m. And 2:00 p. m. 34 00:03:00,914 --> 00:03:03,439 Looked like about 30 to 40 stab wounds. 35 00:03:03,516 --> 00:03:04,778 Overkill. 36 00:03:05,451 --> 00:03:08,284 He either knew her well enough to hate her or he's psychotic. 37 00:03:08,354 --> 00:03:10,117 Point of entry looks like the fire escape window. 38 00:03:10,190 --> 00:03:12,055 Perp probably waltzed out the front door. 39 00:03:12,125 --> 00:03:14,559 Got minimal fluids from the rape kit, but enough to test. 40 00:03:14,627 --> 00:03:15,753 You locate a murder weapon? 41 00:03:15,828 --> 00:03:16,886 Must've taken it with him. 42 00:03:16,963 --> 00:03:18,931 Three-inch, single-edged, non-serrated blade. 43 00:03:18,998 --> 00:03:21,125 About the size of the knife missing from this? 44 00:03:21,201 --> 00:03:23,396 Yeah. The other weapon he left behind. 45 00:03:25,038 --> 00:03:27,165 Bashed in the back of her head before he stabbed her. 46 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,868 Probably enough to knock her out. No defensive wounds. 47 00:03:29,943 --> 00:03:32,309 It's not the most obvious weapon. 48 00:03:32,378 --> 00:03:34,278 So she surprises him. 49 00:03:35,248 --> 00:03:37,079 Probably picked up the first thing he could grab. 50 00:03:37,150 --> 00:03:40,449 Then he walks all the way across the apartment for a knife? 51 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:41,953 This guy's logic is all over the place. 52 00:03:42,021 --> 00:03:44,046 Maybe he's mentally ill. Or high. 53 00:03:44,123 --> 00:03:46,785 He covered Mrs. Oestreicher with this. 54 00:03:46,859 --> 00:03:51,159 By the amount of blood on the blanket, I'd say right after he stabbed her. 55 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:55,258 So afterwards he gets remorseful, embarrassed? 56 00:03:55,335 --> 00:03:56,825 And then sick. 57 00:03:59,405 --> 00:04:01,532 Our guy must have thrown up. 58 00:04:01,941 --> 00:04:03,636 It's too far away to be the victim's. 59 00:04:03,710 --> 00:04:04,972 Okay, let's send a sample to the M.E. 60 00:04:05,044 --> 00:04:07,808 We can compare it to the stomach contents of our victim, just to be sure. 61 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:08,938 I love my job. 62 00:04:09,015 --> 00:04:10,482 What do we know about this anonymous phone tip? 63 00:04:10,550 --> 00:04:12,040 Narcotics traced it to a neighbor. 64 00:04:12,118 --> 00:04:14,382 Said she's nosy, but not homicidal. 65 00:04:14,454 --> 00:04:16,854 I thought anonymous tip meant anonymous. 66 00:04:16,923 --> 00:04:19,084 Like nobody would bug you about doing your civic duty. 67 00:04:19,158 --> 00:04:20,625 We certainly don't mean to inconvenience you. 68 00:04:20,693 --> 00:04:23,355 But there was a woman murdered in your building. 69 00:04:23,429 --> 00:04:24,987 I know. I'm sorry about that. 70 00:04:25,064 --> 00:04:27,692 But you live that kind of life, you're asking for it. 71 00:04:27,767 --> 00:04:29,359 And what kind of life is that? 72 00:04:29,435 --> 00:04:32,427 Criminal. You should've been here when she was sparking up. 73 00:04:32,505 --> 00:04:33,802 Just walking down the hall you'd get a buzz. 74 00:04:33,873 --> 00:04:35,898 Marc, get in there and brush those teeth now. 75 00:04:35,975 --> 00:04:37,670 So you reported Mrs. Oestreicher 76 00:04:37,744 --> 00:04:41,510 as a drug dealer because you smelled dope. That was the only reason? 77 00:04:41,581 --> 00:04:43,879 What about the daily Easter parade? 78 00:04:43,950 --> 00:04:48,182 In and out of there, people banging on the door all hours of the day. 79 00:04:48,254 --> 00:04:52,088 Did you ever actually see any of these deals, any money changing hands? 80 00:04:52,158 --> 00:04:56,026 No. No, but if she wasn't selling, I don't know where she got her money. 81 00:04:56,095 --> 00:04:58,620 She hasn't worked a day in over a year. 82 00:04:58,698 --> 00:05:00,097 Autopsy's done. 83 00:05:00,166 --> 00:05:02,794 So are the preliminary labs on the fluids from the rape kit. 84 00:05:02,869 --> 00:05:04,302 Anything interesting? 85 00:05:04,370 --> 00:05:05,735 Your perp had no sperm. 86 00:05:05,805 --> 00:05:07,796 Interesting and pathetic. 87 00:05:07,874 --> 00:05:11,537 I'm not talking low sperm count. This is azoospermia. 88 00:05:11,611 --> 00:05:14,876 Zero sperm in the ejaculate. It's pretty rare. 89 00:05:14,947 --> 00:05:16,744 So our guy got a vasectomy. 90 00:05:16,816 --> 00:05:18,579 That's one explanation for it. 91 00:05:18,651 --> 00:05:22,451 It's also a sign of Kartagener's Syndrome and Cystic Fibrosis. 92 00:05:22,522 --> 00:05:25,787 The lab can still extract DNA from the skin cells in the sample. 93 00:05:25,858 --> 00:05:27,382 And they're analyzing the vomit. 94 00:05:27,460 --> 00:05:28,927 We know who puked? 95 00:05:28,995 --> 00:05:32,522 Victim hadn't eaten in hours, so it had to come from your perp. 96 00:05:32,598 --> 00:05:34,532 As far as Miss Oestreicher is concerned, 97 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,626 I suspect she would have died within the year, had she not been murdered. 98 00:05:37,704 --> 00:05:38,932 What was wrong with her? 99 00:05:39,005 --> 00:05:40,905 Advanced ovarian cancer. 100 00:05:40,973 --> 00:05:43,806 She has small radiation burns on the skin of her abdomen, 101 00:05:43,876 --> 00:05:46,436 and blood tests reveal Taxol and carboplatin. 102 00:05:46,512 --> 00:05:48,070 She was undergoing chemotherapy. 103 00:05:48,147 --> 00:05:50,047 That explains why she didn't have a job. 104 00:05:50,116 --> 00:05:52,084 And why she was growing pot. 105 00:05:52,151 --> 00:05:55,211 Must have been using it to counteract the side effects of the cancer treatment. 106 00:05:55,288 --> 00:05:57,654 Decent levels of THC in her system. 107 00:05:57,724 --> 00:05:59,521 But that woman was growing a forest in there. 108 00:05:59,592 --> 00:06:01,560 You think she was toking on all that by herself? 109 00:06:01,627 --> 00:06:02,651 Maybe she wasn't. 110 00:06:02,729 --> 00:06:05,254 You know, medicinal marijuana clubs are popping up everywhere. 111 00:06:05,331 --> 00:06:08,698 People are pooling their resources, growing their own stuff. 112 00:06:08,768 --> 00:06:10,929 Better product without having to pay street prices. 113 00:06:11,003 --> 00:06:13,938 Well, if she's running a club, then there has to be a membership list. 114 00:06:17,311 --> 00:06:18,801 How many people we looking at? 115 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:20,574 According to her day planner, nearly 100. 116 00:06:20,647 --> 00:06:23,047 But there's no names. She only writes initials. 117 00:06:23,117 --> 00:06:26,177 We got C.K. Down the second Monday of every month. 118 00:06:26,253 --> 00:06:28,016 J.A.S. Every other Saturday. 119 00:06:28,088 --> 00:06:30,648 Probably a schedule. Members take turns tending the crop. 120 00:06:30,724 --> 00:06:32,282 Why the hell you know so much about it? 121 00:06:32,359 --> 00:06:35,522 Twenty-five years on the job and he's still a damn hippie. 122 00:06:35,596 --> 00:06:39,259 Okay, I got the phone dumps from Susan Oestreicher for the past six months. 123 00:06:39,333 --> 00:06:42,029 We got to match the names with the initials and weed out the potheads. 124 00:06:42,102 --> 00:06:44,263 Find one club member, might lead us to the rest. 125 00:06:44,338 --> 00:06:47,034 Convincing somebody to turn over that list is not going to be easy. 126 00:06:47,107 --> 00:06:50,770 People looking at a narcotics rap tend to be real cooperative. 127 00:06:50,844 --> 00:06:53,142 Threatening cancer patients. Now, that's why I became a cop. 128 00:06:53,213 --> 00:06:56,046 They're breaking the law. I don't care how sick they are. 129 00:06:56,116 --> 00:06:59,517 Do you have any idea why cannabis is illegal in this country? 130 00:06:59,586 --> 00:07:01,486 Because William Randolph Hearst's paper mills 131 00:07:01,555 --> 00:07:02,954 were threatened by the hemp industry. 132 00:07:03,023 --> 00:07:05,389 And that's got nothing to do with the fact that it's a drug. 133 00:07:05,459 --> 00:07:06,949 What do you call alcohol and tobacco? 134 00:07:07,027 --> 00:07:08,460 Legal. 135 00:07:08,529 --> 00:07:09,791 Here we go. 136 00:07:09,863 --> 00:07:12,195 For the initials C.K., we've got a Cindy Kerber. 137 00:07:12,266 --> 00:07:17,795 C.K. C.K. Charles Kelsey, Christian Kessler. This is going to be fun. 138 00:07:17,871 --> 00:07:18,997 We'll run them all down. 139 00:07:19,072 --> 00:07:21,939 If they had access to the victim, they're all suspects. 140 00:07:25,446 --> 00:07:27,437 We know about your club, Miss Kerber. 141 00:07:27,514 --> 00:07:29,505 Then I assume you found what we were growing. 142 00:07:29,583 --> 00:07:31,778 Pretty tough to miss. You guys have very green thumbs. 143 00:07:31,852 --> 00:07:34,252 We're not hurting anyone and we're not making a profit. 144 00:07:34,321 --> 00:07:36,221 We are investigating a murder. 145 00:07:36,290 --> 00:07:39,157 Now, all we need are the other names of the members in the club. 146 00:07:39,226 --> 00:07:41,023 The rest is between us. 147 00:07:41,094 --> 00:07:43,562 I don't know most of the people involved. We don't socialize. 148 00:07:43,630 --> 00:07:45,291 Give us the names of the people you do know. 149 00:07:45,365 --> 00:07:47,094 I'm sorry. I can't. 150 00:07:47,167 --> 00:07:48,794 This woman was raped. 151 00:07:48,869 --> 00:07:50,427 She was stabbed 38 times. 152 00:07:50,504 --> 00:07:54,031 You don't want to help us in our investigation? That is very strange to me. 153 00:07:54,107 --> 00:07:56,098 Because it wasn't anyone in the club. 154 00:07:56,176 --> 00:08:00,078 Some of these people were debilitated from nausea, from chemotherapy. 155 00:08:00,147 --> 00:08:04,846 The only thing that controls my tremors from M.S. Is smoking once in a while. 156 00:08:04,918 --> 00:08:06,943 Why would we kill the woman who was helping us? 157 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:09,750 Maybe she was helping the wrong person. 158 00:08:09,823 --> 00:08:12,883 Somebody's sick, doesn't make them an angel. 159 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,693 There was some trouble with this one woman, Becky. Not her, really. Her husband. 160 00:08:17,764 --> 00:08:19,698 What kind of trouble? 161 00:08:19,766 --> 00:08:24,328 He threatened Sue. Said she hooked his wife on drugs. 162 00:08:24,404 --> 00:08:26,872 Becky was dying from metastatic breast cancer, 163 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:29,340 and he wouldn't allow her the tiniest bit of relief. 164 00:08:29,409 --> 00:08:31,377 Well, do you think that he's capable of murder? 165 00:08:31,445 --> 00:08:33,106 I know his own wife was afraid of him. 166 00:08:33,180 --> 00:08:37,776 Especially after he broke some guy's back in a bar fight. Went to jail for it. 167 00:08:37,851 --> 00:08:39,284 I wouldn't touch that bitch. 168 00:08:39,353 --> 00:08:42,914 Isn't it refreshing to hear such militant adherence to the "Just Say No" philosophy? 169 00:08:42,990 --> 00:08:44,014 It's so rare in convicts. 170 00:08:44,091 --> 00:08:45,786 That incident was an accident. 171 00:08:45,859 --> 00:08:49,420 I did five years inside, and now my wife's dead. 172 00:08:49,496 --> 00:08:51,760 I paid the price. Go bother somebody else. 173 00:08:51,832 --> 00:08:53,265 No, we're bothering you, Mr. Paglione. 174 00:08:53,333 --> 00:08:56,063 You got an awful lot of hate for the woman who was trying to comfort your wife. 175 00:08:56,136 --> 00:08:57,865 Yeah, that's a real beautiful story. 176 00:08:57,938 --> 00:09:01,897 Until one of you comes to my house and finds drugs and busts me for parole violation. 177 00:09:03,510 --> 00:09:07,776 I was working from 6:00 in the morning to 4:00, and no lunch break. 178 00:09:09,116 --> 00:09:10,674 And that's all I'm saying. 179 00:09:15,455 --> 00:09:17,787 We'll see you back at the house. 180 00:09:18,725 --> 00:09:20,716 Munch says the husband's alibi checks out. 181 00:09:20,794 --> 00:09:22,318 This membership list is getting smaller. 182 00:09:22,396 --> 00:09:24,660 Half these people are either dead or too weak to get out of bed. 183 00:09:24,731 --> 00:09:27,325 Maybe we're going down the wrong path with this pot club. 184 00:09:28,802 --> 00:09:32,602 No, I just can't buy that the murder and the drugs are a coincidence. 185 00:09:32,673 --> 00:09:35,540 Susan Oestreicher's neighbor thought she was a drug dealer. 186 00:09:35,609 --> 00:09:37,440 What if somebody else thought so, too? 187 00:09:38,645 --> 00:09:41,011 An M.E. Out of the morgue? Must be big. 188 00:09:41,081 --> 00:09:42,912 Captain Cragen told me you were here. 189 00:09:42,983 --> 00:09:45,975 Lab finished analyzing the vomit from the crime scene. 190 00:09:46,053 --> 00:09:48,681 Hey, am I gonna want to stop eating before I hear this? 191 00:09:48,755 --> 00:09:53,419 Pieces of roast beef, a little mozzarella cheese, kernels of corn and raisins. 192 00:09:53,493 --> 00:09:55,461 Luckily, they hadn't been in the stomach very long, 193 00:09:55,529 --> 00:09:57,326 so everything was only partially digested. 194 00:09:57,397 --> 00:09:59,160 Yeah, I'm done. 195 00:09:59,232 --> 00:10:01,598 And this is good news because? 196 00:10:01,668 --> 00:10:03,568 My daughter's in the sixth grade. 197 00:10:03,637 --> 00:10:07,664 She had that exact meal for lunch at school on the day of the murder. 198 00:10:07,741 --> 00:10:11,199 I've got the menu on the fridge. I called the Board of Ed. 199 00:10:11,278 --> 00:10:14,736 Every middle school in Manhattan serves the same lunch. 200 00:10:17,517 --> 00:10:19,007 No sperm in the ejaculate. 201 00:10:20,487 --> 00:10:22,455 We're looking for a kid. 202 00:10:24,658 --> 00:10:26,649 Are we buying in to this juvenile theory? 203 00:10:26,727 --> 00:10:28,194 Well, it makes sense. 204 00:10:28,261 --> 00:10:31,628 The disorganization of the crime scene indicates an immature thought process. 205 00:10:31,698 --> 00:10:34,895 The number of stab wounds could mean he has no real understanding of physiology. 206 00:10:34,968 --> 00:10:37,528 He just kills the way he thinks that you're supposed to kill. 207 00:10:37,604 --> 00:10:39,731 The rape. Sexual curiosity. 208 00:10:39,806 --> 00:10:42,331 Well, we know the kid went to school that day long enough to have lunch, 209 00:10:42,409 --> 00:10:44,240 so he must've cut out afterwards. 210 00:10:44,311 --> 00:10:47,109 Well, we're not canvassing every junior high in the city, 211 00:10:47,180 --> 00:10:51,549 and I'm not waiting for a DNA analysis of the puke, so let's hear suggestions. 212 00:10:51,618 --> 00:10:55,281 Okay, we're looking for a boy who has a history of fights in school. 213 00:10:55,355 --> 00:10:57,983 Minor vandalism with risk-taking behavior. 214 00:10:58,058 --> 00:10:59,491 Sounds like every teenage boy on the planet. 215 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,925 I know. It's not much to go on. 216 00:11:01,995 --> 00:11:04,520 But adolescent behavior is inherently unpredictable. 217 00:11:04,598 --> 00:11:06,566 That's why mental health care professionals 218 00:11:06,633 --> 00:11:09,830 won't label a child a sociopath even if he fits the definition. 219 00:11:09,903 --> 00:11:12,565 So the profile's wide open. What else? 220 00:11:12,639 --> 00:11:14,163 Juvies stay with the familiar. 221 00:11:14,241 --> 00:11:16,232 Maybe the victim knew this kid. 222 00:11:16,309 --> 00:11:18,004 And even if she didn't, he's likely to commit 223 00:11:18,078 --> 00:11:19,807 the crimes in his own comfort zone. 224 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,939 The neighbor who phoned in the tip to Narcotics. 225 00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:23,505 Her son looked about 13, right? 226 00:11:23,583 --> 00:11:29,021 That was Mrs. Lesinski and her son Marc. 227 00:11:29,690 --> 00:11:32,955 Maybe he listens to Mom rail about the drug dealer down the hall, 228 00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:34,687 he figures he can get himself some free dope. 229 00:11:34,761 --> 00:11:37,787 And get some cash for a new Xbox while he's at it. 230 00:11:37,864 --> 00:11:39,354 Check him out. 231 00:11:39,766 --> 00:11:42,530 Look, I told you, Marc didn't see who killed her. 232 00:11:42,602 --> 00:11:44,035 He was in school. 233 00:11:44,104 --> 00:11:45,230 You're sure about that? 234 00:11:45,305 --> 00:11:46,363 Of course I am. 235 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,738 And the school calls if he skips class? 236 00:11:48,809 --> 00:11:50,174 What exactly are you asking? 237 00:11:50,243 --> 00:11:52,677 Mrs. Lesinski, we need to speak with Marc right now. 238 00:11:52,746 --> 00:11:54,008 You think he could have done this? 239 00:11:54,081 --> 00:11:56,015 He is a child. Are you crazy? 240 00:11:56,783 --> 00:12:00,241 Has Marc bought anything that he doesn't have the money for? 241 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,309 No. 242 00:12:01,388 --> 00:12:03,447 Have you seen him with... 243 00:12:03,523 --> 00:12:05,923 Seen him with anything expensive that you didn't give him? 244 00:12:06,993 --> 00:12:09,757 He said it was a present from a friend. 245 00:12:09,830 --> 00:12:11,559 Come on over here. Show it to us, will you? 246 00:12:16,303 --> 00:12:17,793 An MP3 player. 247 00:12:19,072 --> 00:12:21,131 Must be a very good friend to be so generous. 248 00:12:21,208 --> 00:12:24,700 No, the kid's a total geek. He's always giving stuff to people. 249 00:12:24,778 --> 00:12:26,575 Oh. This total geek have a name? 250 00:12:26,646 --> 00:12:28,409 Jeremy Brice. 251 00:12:28,482 --> 00:12:30,074 Mmm-hmm. Where do you think Jeremy got that? 252 00:12:31,718 --> 00:12:34,619 Did you tell him that you had a drug dealer living down the hall from you? 253 00:12:34,688 --> 00:12:35,814 Yeah. What'd you say? 254 00:12:37,224 --> 00:12:40,887 I said that she's probably got some pretty cool stuff, you know, 'cause she deals. 255 00:12:40,961 --> 00:12:44,624 So don't you think it's possible that he got it from Mrs. Oestreicher's place? 256 00:12:44,698 --> 00:12:46,290 I don't know, maybe. 257 00:12:46,366 --> 00:12:48,266 But there's no way Jeremy killed her. 258 00:12:49,436 --> 00:12:51,165 Well, how do you know that? 259 00:12:51,238 --> 00:12:52,899 He's just not that cool. 260 00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:57,573 It is almost 8:00. Everybody's already left. 261 00:12:57,644 --> 00:12:59,669 Let's pull him out of school. 262 00:13:01,515 --> 00:13:04,177 Liv. Liv. Kids waiting for the bus. 263 00:13:08,955 --> 00:13:11,856 Hi, guys. Anyone know Jeremy Brice? 264 00:13:11,925 --> 00:13:13,051 Who? 265 00:13:13,126 --> 00:13:14,150 Jeremy Brice. 266 00:13:14,227 --> 00:13:15,285 There. 267 00:13:17,297 --> 00:13:18,730 You Jeremy? 268 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:21,665 Relax, relax, relax, Jeremy. 269 00:13:21,735 --> 00:13:22,861 I didn't do anything! 270 00:13:22,936 --> 00:13:25,131 We're the police. We want to talk to you. Just relax. 271 00:13:25,205 --> 00:13:28,663 Jeremy, that looks like blood. 272 00:13:28,742 --> 00:13:30,972 No, it isn't. 273 00:13:31,044 --> 00:13:33,569 We're going down to the police station, Jeremy, all right? 274 00:13:33,647 --> 00:13:34,773 Where are your parents? 275 00:13:34,848 --> 00:13:36,713 I have to go to school. I have to... 276 00:13:39,886 --> 00:13:42,616 You made a mistake. Jeremy was in school all day. 277 00:13:42,689 --> 00:13:43,815 We checked, Mrs. Brice. 278 00:13:43,890 --> 00:13:47,018 Jeremy's teachers told us that he was absent after lunch. 279 00:13:47,093 --> 00:13:48,458 You skipped school? 280 00:13:48,528 --> 00:13:49,756 No. 281 00:13:49,830 --> 00:13:53,129 Jeremy? Jeremy, look at me a second. 282 00:13:54,301 --> 00:13:56,496 You know you're not supposed to lie to the police, right? 283 00:13:56,570 --> 00:13:57,628 I'm not lying. 284 00:13:57,704 --> 00:14:00,468 Where'd you get the MP3 player you gave to your buddy Marc? 285 00:14:02,509 --> 00:14:04,409 I gave him that for his birthday. 286 00:14:08,748 --> 00:14:10,648 Do you know a lady named Susan Oestreicher? 287 00:14:10,717 --> 00:14:11,809 No. 288 00:14:11,885 --> 00:14:15,377 You sure? She's the woman that lives right next door to Marc. 289 00:14:15,455 --> 00:14:17,855 Jeremy, you went into that apartment, 290 00:14:17,924 --> 00:14:20,085 and something bad happened there, didn't it? 291 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,923 I didn't go anywhere. 292 00:14:21,995 --> 00:14:25,954 Jeremy, these are your fingerprints that your mom let us take when you got here. 293 00:14:27,834 --> 00:14:29,358 Remember that? 294 00:14:31,905 --> 00:14:35,363 These are the ones that we found in Miss Oestreicher's apartment. 295 00:14:37,310 --> 00:14:39,141 They're exactly the same. 296 00:14:39,212 --> 00:14:40,509 No, they're not. 297 00:14:40,580 --> 00:14:44,380 They are. This tells me you were in that apartment. 298 00:14:44,451 --> 00:14:45,816 No, it doesn't. 299 00:14:45,886 --> 00:14:48,252 Jeremy, what happened? 300 00:14:48,321 --> 00:14:51,950 Nothing. Why is everybody picking on me? 301 00:14:54,794 --> 00:14:56,819 We'll take another crack at him once he calms down. 302 00:14:56,897 --> 00:14:58,558 Well, we know he was in the apartment. 303 00:14:58,632 --> 00:15:01,760 Once the labs come back on the forensic evidence, we won't need a confession. 304 00:15:01,835 --> 00:15:02,927 A typical kid. 305 00:15:03,003 --> 00:15:05,301 Thinks if he denies everything, it'll just go away. 306 00:15:05,372 --> 00:15:08,535 He's 14. Eligible to be tried as an adult. 307 00:15:08,608 --> 00:15:11,805 Murder two. Would've been eligible if he was 13. 308 00:15:11,878 --> 00:15:13,368 He look like a grownup to you? 309 00:15:13,446 --> 00:15:16,415 He brutally raped and murdered a 34-year-old woman. 310 00:15:16,483 --> 00:15:17,507 That's a grownup crime. 311 00:15:17,584 --> 00:15:20,280 He's not crying for his victim, he's crying for himself. 312 00:15:20,353 --> 00:15:22,344 Guess you can't blame him. His life is over. 313 00:15:22,422 --> 00:15:26,791 Labs are back. Blood on Jeremy's coat matched the victim's type. 314 00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:28,418 Sounds like your job is done. 315 00:15:28,495 --> 00:15:29,723 No. We're not that lucky. 316 00:15:29,796 --> 00:15:32,594 Lab's determined that the rapist's blood was a type B. 317 00:15:32,666 --> 00:15:34,759 I got Jeremy's from his school. He's type O. 318 00:15:34,834 --> 00:15:36,597 He had a partner. Yeah. 319 00:15:36,670 --> 00:15:38,570 No sperm, so it's got to be another kid. 320 00:15:38,638 --> 00:15:40,572 Well, what about that neighbor's boy? 321 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,164 Well, I checked him. He didn't skip school 322 00:15:42,242 --> 00:15:44,506 and went to basketball practice afterwards. 323 00:15:44,577 --> 00:15:48,411 Can we hold off on charging Jeremy as an adult till we get the story straight? 324 00:15:48,481 --> 00:15:51,416 Well, he's 14, so he's automatically arraigned in Supreme Court. 325 00:15:51,484 --> 00:15:53,384 But if you can prove to me he wasn't the primary actor, 326 00:15:53,453 --> 00:15:55,478 I will recommend he be removed to Family Court. 327 00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:57,250 Find out who his friends are. 328 00:16:01,394 --> 00:16:04,329 We're no strangers to police inquiring about some of our students, 329 00:16:04,397 --> 00:16:07,161 but I am surprised to hear you're investigating Mr. Brice. 330 00:16:07,233 --> 00:16:09,064 Jeremy's not a troublemaker? 331 00:16:09,135 --> 00:16:11,069 I don't know him, so I guess not. 332 00:16:11,137 --> 00:16:13,037 1,500 students, Detectives. 333 00:16:13,106 --> 00:16:14,733 I only got time for the bad eggs. 334 00:16:14,808 --> 00:16:17,174 You're saying he's a model student, then. 335 00:16:17,243 --> 00:16:21,680 Academically, yes. He does very well. Especially in math and art. 336 00:16:21,748 --> 00:16:26,412 But he was recently diagnosed as dyslexic, and according to his file, 337 00:16:26,486 --> 00:16:30,252 his fifth grade teacher cited social problems made him repeat the year. 338 00:16:30,323 --> 00:16:32,052 What kind of social problems? 339 00:16:32,125 --> 00:16:34,650 Well, I spoke with Jeremy's teachers this morning, 340 00:16:34,728 --> 00:16:37,162 and he's a little behind maturity-wise. 341 00:16:37,230 --> 00:16:39,061 He has some trouble fitting in. 342 00:16:39,132 --> 00:16:42,067 But again, nothing to suggest any serious discipline problems. 343 00:16:42,135 --> 00:16:44,660 Teachers give you the names of Jeremy's friends? 344 00:16:44,738 --> 00:16:46,228 That's the thing, no one knew. 345 00:16:46,306 --> 00:16:47,898 Seems he really doesn't have any. 346 00:16:49,876 --> 00:16:52,845 We're going to need a list of all the boys that were absent the day of the murder, 347 00:16:52,912 --> 00:16:55,278 and we're going to need your permission to search their lockers. 348 00:17:03,390 --> 00:17:06,052 I find any dead animals in here, I'm going to deputize you for this. 349 00:17:06,126 --> 00:17:07,286 Got him. 350 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:08,452 What'd you find? 351 00:17:08,528 --> 00:17:10,189 Susan Oestreicher. 352 00:17:15,268 --> 00:17:17,099 And the weapon that killed her. 353 00:17:18,638 --> 00:17:20,230 This is a surprise. 354 00:17:20,306 --> 00:17:24,743 Locker 142 belongs to Zachary Connor, a sixth-grader. 355 00:17:25,412 --> 00:17:28,176 I'll get his schedule and we'll find him in his next class. 356 00:17:28,248 --> 00:17:30,409 I think he found us already. 357 00:17:31,551 --> 00:17:32,779 What happened to my locker? 358 00:17:36,689 --> 00:17:38,816 Zachary Connor is 12 years old. 359 00:17:38,892 --> 00:17:41,759 I tell you, I've been on this job a long time, some things still surprise me. 360 00:17:41,828 --> 00:17:43,557 You'll get over it. His parents coming in? 361 00:17:41,630 --> 00:17:43,393 They should be here any minute. 362 00:17:43,465 --> 00:17:45,729 We're going on 12 hours holding Jeremy Brice. 363 00:17:45,801 --> 00:17:47,598 He and his mother are still in interrogation. 364 00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:52,072 And they're staying until we know his exact involvement in this woman's death. 365 00:17:52,140 --> 00:17:53,698 Munch is still at the crime lab. 366 00:17:53,775 --> 00:17:56,300 CSU lifted three sets of prints off of that knife. 367 00:17:56,378 --> 00:17:59,609 One unknown, one the victim's, and one belonging to Jeremy. 368 00:17:59,681 --> 00:18:03,777 Captain, these are Zachary Connor's parents. 369 00:18:03,852 --> 00:18:05,945 Mr. And Mrs. Connor, thank you for making it down. 370 00:18:06,021 --> 00:18:08,649 Nobody's told us anything. Is Zach all right? 371 00:18:08,723 --> 00:18:09,849 Well, he's fine. Fine. 372 00:18:09,925 --> 00:18:12,359 We think he might know something about a crime. 373 00:18:12,427 --> 00:18:14,122 Now, Ted here will get you settled, 374 00:18:14,196 --> 00:18:16,858 and in a minute a detective will explain everything to you. 375 00:18:16,932 --> 00:18:19,457 He's never been in trouble before, Captain. Not once. 376 00:18:24,739 --> 00:18:26,798 Is that true? No trouble with this boy? 377 00:18:26,875 --> 00:18:29,207 Straight As. Not a mark on his school record. 378 00:18:30,312 --> 00:18:31,973 Let's go easy on this. 379 00:18:32,047 --> 00:18:34,311 Finesse them. See if one turns on the other. 380 00:18:34,382 --> 00:18:35,872 Fin, you take Zachary and his parents. 381 00:18:35,951 --> 00:18:38,283 You guys take another run at Jeremy. 382 00:18:38,353 --> 00:18:40,947 Set up video cameras and monitors in both rooms. 383 00:18:41,022 --> 00:18:43,217 I'll call in Cabot and Huang to observe. 384 00:18:44,493 --> 00:18:47,053 Remember where you were day before yesterday, Zachary? 385 00:18:47,129 --> 00:18:48,892 At school. And then I went home. 386 00:18:48,964 --> 00:18:50,795 You there all day? Yeah. 387 00:18:50,866 --> 00:18:52,094 Well, I talked to your teachers, 388 00:18:52,167 --> 00:18:55,136 and they said that you missed all your classes after lunch. 389 00:18:55,203 --> 00:18:56,727 I was in the library. 390 00:18:57,439 --> 00:18:59,134 I had to study for a math test. 391 00:18:59,207 --> 00:19:00,834 He does have a big test coming up. 392 00:19:00,909 --> 00:19:03,434 Okay. You know Jeremy Brice? 393 00:19:03,512 --> 00:19:04,706 He's a seventh-grader. 394 00:19:04,779 --> 00:19:05,837 Friend of yours? 395 00:19:05,914 --> 00:19:07,211 No. I don't like him. 396 00:19:08,116 --> 00:19:10,641 You didn't hang out with him at all day before yesterday? 397 00:19:10,719 --> 00:19:13,187 No. He's dorky. And he's a bully. 398 00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:15,949 You got a knife, Zach? 399 00:19:16,024 --> 00:19:17,116 A what? 400 00:19:18,260 --> 00:19:19,659 You mean the one in my locker. 401 00:19:19,728 --> 00:19:21,320 Where'd you get it? 402 00:19:21,997 --> 00:19:25,433 I found it in the dumpster behind the school. And the wallet, too. 403 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:27,525 What were you looking for in the garbage? 404 00:19:28,904 --> 00:19:30,735 Well, sometimes they throw out cool things. 405 00:19:30,805 --> 00:19:32,568 Once I found new markers. 406 00:19:32,641 --> 00:19:33,972 Yeah, that is cool. 407 00:19:34,042 --> 00:19:37,944 So why'd you take the knife and wallet and put them in your locker? 408 00:19:38,013 --> 00:19:39,378 I was gonna turn them in. 409 00:19:39,447 --> 00:19:42,575 I thought someone lost them. But then I forgot. 410 00:19:42,651 --> 00:19:44,380 Did you know there was blood on that knife? 411 00:19:44,452 --> 00:19:45,919 Oh, my God. 412 00:19:45,987 --> 00:19:47,955 I thought it was fake. 413 00:19:48,023 --> 00:19:51,151 But you should ask Jeremy. He told me where to find it. 414 00:19:52,594 --> 00:19:54,357 So, Jeremy, you want a drink? 415 00:19:54,429 --> 00:19:55,862 No. I want to go home. 416 00:19:55,931 --> 00:19:57,023 Well, I know you do. 417 00:19:57,098 --> 00:20:00,226 But the reason that we have to stay here is because you're not telling us the truth. 418 00:20:00,302 --> 00:20:01,735 Yes, I am. 419 00:20:01,803 --> 00:20:04,636 Jeremy, we picked up your friend Zachary at school today. 420 00:20:05,740 --> 00:20:07,139 Zach's here? 421 00:20:07,209 --> 00:20:09,302 He's right in the next room, speaking to one of our detectives. 422 00:20:10,712 --> 00:20:12,646 What do you think he's going to say? 423 00:20:14,182 --> 00:20:15,444 Nothing. 424 00:20:15,984 --> 00:20:18,043 I think he might. 425 00:20:20,055 --> 00:20:21,818 Look, I know you don't want to get him in trouble, 426 00:20:21,890 --> 00:20:24,757 but you've got to tell us what happened. 427 00:20:24,826 --> 00:20:28,284 Even if it's something that's really, really bad, you've got to tell us. 428 00:20:33,034 --> 00:20:34,831 Zach's my best friend. 429 00:20:34,903 --> 00:20:37,667 You can't make me say he did something bad. 430 00:20:37,739 --> 00:20:39,969 He didn't do anything. 431 00:20:42,844 --> 00:20:44,436 Jeremy's in for a rude awakening. 432 00:20:44,512 --> 00:20:46,104 His best friend's about to flip on him. 433 00:20:47,182 --> 00:20:50,083 What I find hard to believe is how a kid as young as Zachary 434 00:20:50,151 --> 00:20:51,846 is physically capable of rape. 435 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,686 Biologically, all he needs is enough testosterone to achieve an erection. 436 00:20:55,757 --> 00:20:58,726 These days, boys reach puberty as early as nine years old. 437 00:20:58,793 --> 00:21:01,785 Add to that an ill woman, weakened by chemotherapy. 438 00:21:01,863 --> 00:21:04,832 She's the perfect victim for a 90-pound rapist. 439 00:21:04,899 --> 00:21:06,662 You think he did it? 440 00:21:07,836 --> 00:21:09,326 I think he's lying. 441 00:21:09,404 --> 00:21:13,067 He keeps changing his story so that it's just plausible enough to be true. 442 00:21:13,141 --> 00:21:14,631 He's involved. 443 00:21:17,812 --> 00:21:18,938 What's all this? 444 00:21:19,014 --> 00:21:20,572 Interrogation tactics, Captain. 445 00:21:20,649 --> 00:21:23,447 A few special mementos from Zachary Connor's locker. 446 00:21:25,620 --> 00:21:27,645 This is Detective Munch, my partner. 447 00:21:27,722 --> 00:21:29,485 How much longer do we need to be here? 448 00:21:29,557 --> 00:21:31,388 Entirely up to your son, Mr. Connor. 449 00:21:31,459 --> 00:21:32,653 Is that your book? 450 00:21:32,727 --> 00:21:34,888 I don't know. All our books look alike. 451 00:21:34,963 --> 00:21:37,124 Oh, yeah? Is that your name? 452 00:21:37,766 --> 00:21:39,393 Yeah. Then that must be yours, right? 453 00:21:41,503 --> 00:21:44,666 What is this about? It's his book. Why does it matter? 454 00:21:44,739 --> 00:21:48,641 We also have a CD labeled with your initials, 455 00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:52,942 a pen, a magazine subscription sticker in your name. 456 00:21:53,014 --> 00:21:55,005 You know where I got them? 457 00:21:55,083 --> 00:21:56,448 In my locker at school? 458 00:21:56,518 --> 00:21:59,180 Right. You know what else they have in common? Hmm? 459 00:21:59,954 --> 00:22:01,251 Detective Tutuola? 460 00:22:01,323 --> 00:22:03,257 Covered with his fingerprints. 461 00:22:03,325 --> 00:22:04,883 Correct. Just a minute. 462 00:22:04,959 --> 00:22:06,483 Now, Zach, you're a bright young man. 463 00:22:06,561 --> 00:22:09,530 You understand that every time you touch something, 464 00:22:09,597 --> 00:22:11,531 you leave a fingerprint behind. 465 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:14,432 So I want you to think real hard before you answer this question. 466 00:22:14,502 --> 00:22:18,404 Were you ever in an apartment on Avenue C where a woman was killed? 467 00:22:18,473 --> 00:22:20,134 Oh, what the hell? 468 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,846 I was in that lady's apartment with Jeremy. 469 00:22:28,817 --> 00:22:30,182 He killed her. 470 00:22:33,521 --> 00:22:37,389 Hey, Jeremy, I think you might want to see this. 471 00:22:38,693 --> 00:22:40,388 Whose idea was it? 472 00:22:42,130 --> 00:22:43,427 Jeremy's. 473 00:22:43,965 --> 00:22:46,024 To rob her or to kill her? 474 00:22:46,401 --> 00:22:47,800 Everything. 475 00:22:49,037 --> 00:22:50,766 He said she had lots of money. 476 00:22:52,207 --> 00:22:54,141 But then she came home. 477 00:22:56,111 --> 00:22:58,443 He made me do bad things to her. 478 00:22:58,513 --> 00:23:00,344 He made me touch her. 479 00:23:01,683 --> 00:23:03,913 And then Jeremy got the knife 480 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,215 and he killed her. 481 00:23:08,089 --> 00:23:10,216 What happened after that? 482 00:23:10,291 --> 00:23:11,690 I ran away. 483 00:23:13,995 --> 00:23:15,485 I was scared. 484 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,898 Jeremy. No. 485 00:23:20,969 --> 00:23:23,199 Jeremy, is that what happened? 486 00:23:23,271 --> 00:23:24,761 He's lying! 487 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,065 So you tell us the truth. 488 00:23:32,347 --> 00:23:34,508 I didn't want anyone to get hurt. 489 00:23:36,117 --> 00:23:38,950 Was it your idea to break into that woman's apartment? 490 00:23:41,589 --> 00:23:43,580 Jeremy, why would you do that? 491 00:23:44,592 --> 00:23:47,026 Zach thought it was cool. 492 00:23:47,095 --> 00:23:49,996 Was it cool when you took the telephone and bashed her head in? 493 00:23:50,064 --> 00:23:53,329 I didn't do that, Zach did. 494 00:23:53,401 --> 00:23:55,232 Do I listen to his story or yours? 495 00:23:58,173 --> 00:23:59,697 She fell down. 496 00:24:00,909 --> 00:24:02,570 She was bleeding. 497 00:24:03,711 --> 00:24:06,578 Zach said to get a knife from the kitchen. 498 00:24:07,248 --> 00:24:11,014 I didn't want to, but he was screaming at me. 499 00:24:12,086 --> 00:24:14,418 I didn't know what he was going to do with it, I swear. 500 00:24:14,489 --> 00:24:18,585 So you got the knife, and then what happened? 501 00:24:20,595 --> 00:24:24,691 When I walked back in, Zach was on top of her. 502 00:24:25,733 --> 00:24:29,726 He took the knife and he stabbed her over and over. 503 00:24:30,805 --> 00:24:32,898 There was all this blood and I threw up! 504 00:24:32,974 --> 00:24:36,375 I'm sorry. I'm really, really sorry! 505 00:24:39,447 --> 00:24:40,471 I'm sorry. 506 00:24:40,548 --> 00:24:43,449 Jeremy, who covered her up with the blanket? 507 00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:46,614 I did. 508 00:24:48,022 --> 00:24:50,684 You shouldn't leave someone like that. 509 00:24:52,660 --> 00:24:54,321 Can I go home now? 510 00:24:55,163 --> 00:24:57,097 I just want to go home. 511 00:24:57,899 --> 00:25:00,094 I want to go home. 512 00:25:00,168 --> 00:25:03,365 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 513 00:25:08,009 --> 00:25:09,943 CSU finished with Zach's house? 514 00:25:10,011 --> 00:25:13,003 Top to bottom. No blood. Must have tossed the clothes he was wearing. 515 00:25:13,081 --> 00:25:14,810 So we've got two kids, two different stories, 516 00:25:14,883 --> 00:25:16,475 and either one of them could have killed her. 517 00:25:16,551 --> 00:25:18,849 Which means I have an even bigger problem. 518 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,582 Whether or not to try Jeremy Brice as an adult. 519 00:25:21,656 --> 00:25:23,146 Zachary Connor is 12. 520 00:25:23,224 --> 00:25:26,022 So even if he acted alone, he's out of my jurisdiction. 521 00:25:26,094 --> 00:25:27,618 He is going to Family Court. 522 00:25:27,695 --> 00:25:30,061 And what kind of punishment is kiddie court handing out 523 00:25:30,131 --> 00:25:31,894 for rapists and murderers these days? 524 00:25:31,966 --> 00:25:34,298 Their mandate is rehabilitation, not punishment. 525 00:25:34,369 --> 00:25:38,829 So the maximum sentence is 18 months in a limited secure facility. 526 00:25:38,907 --> 00:25:41,000 And Jeremy's looking at life in Attica. 527 00:25:41,075 --> 00:25:43,942 If the D.A. Thinks he's a danger to society, yes. 528 00:25:44,012 --> 00:25:47,140 Okay, I got to tell you that I believe Jeremy's version of the events. 529 00:25:47,215 --> 00:25:50,844 You know, this kid is more of a danger to himself than anybody else. 530 00:25:50,919 --> 00:25:53,285 Doc, you saw both interviews. What do you think? 531 00:25:53,354 --> 00:25:54,946 I agree with you. 532 00:25:55,023 --> 00:25:56,786 Jeremy is more easily manipulated. 533 00:25:56,858 --> 00:25:58,951 He's desperate to fit in at any cost, 534 00:25:59,027 --> 00:26:01,587 whereas Zachary is far more calculating. 535 00:26:01,663 --> 00:26:04,131 I think he wields a great deal of control over Jeremy, 536 00:26:04,198 --> 00:26:07,599 and I think he murdered and raped Susan Oestreicher. 537 00:26:08,469 --> 00:26:12,735 So the question is do we go after Jeremy because we can't get Zachary? 538 00:26:15,209 --> 00:26:16,267 No. 539 00:26:16,744 --> 00:26:19,304 I'll recommend we remove Jeremy to family court. 540 00:26:29,424 --> 00:26:32,655 The D.A. Is seeking an indictment against Jeremy Brice. 541 00:26:32,727 --> 00:26:34,820 You've got one day to prepare for the grand jury. 542 00:26:34,896 --> 00:26:36,523 On what charges? 543 00:26:36,598 --> 00:26:38,122 Felony murder and burglary one. 544 00:26:38,199 --> 00:26:40,133 I recommended against it. 545 00:26:40,201 --> 00:26:41,463 Well, the D.A. Disagreed. 546 00:26:41,536 --> 00:26:45,939 But the evidence clearly indicates that Jeremy Brice's involvement was limited. 547 00:26:46,007 --> 00:26:48,475 The DNA proves that Zachary Connor committed the rape. 548 00:26:48,543 --> 00:26:51,706 Jeremy already confessed to participating in the burglary. 549 00:26:51,779 --> 00:26:52,803 That's the predicate felony. 550 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,905 He knew it was dangerous, he knew someone could be killed. 551 00:26:54,983 --> 00:26:56,473 No, he didn't. 552 00:26:56,551 --> 00:26:59,179 This boy is not mature enough to understand that. 553 00:26:59,253 --> 00:27:01,050 The law says he is. 554 00:27:01,122 --> 00:27:04,421 That legislation was passed in 1978 555 00:27:04,492 --> 00:27:07,859 as a knee-jerk reaction to some perceived youth crime wave. 556 00:27:07,929 --> 00:27:10,523 It also says that we prosecute juveniles as adults 557 00:27:10,598 --> 00:27:13,499 at the discretion of the district attorney. 558 00:27:13,568 --> 00:27:16,002 He made the call. You do your job. 559 00:27:16,671 --> 00:27:19,037 Which should be easy enough with Jeremy's confession. 560 00:27:20,241 --> 00:27:22,141 A win for the D.A. 561 00:27:22,210 --> 00:27:24,178 So that's what this is about. 562 00:27:24,245 --> 00:27:25,974 'Cause I'd like to know just how much of a sycophant 563 00:27:26,047 --> 00:27:28,845 I have to be in this new administration. 564 00:27:30,752 --> 00:27:32,549 Let's say you're right. 565 00:27:32,620 --> 00:27:34,349 Let's say Zachary Connor did everything. 566 00:27:34,422 --> 00:27:37,914 That means every step of the way, Jeremy Brice had a choice. 567 00:27:38,593 --> 00:27:40,686 Do the right thing or do the wrong thing. 568 00:27:41,863 --> 00:27:45,594 Watch your friend rape a defenseless woman or stop him, 569 00:27:45,667 --> 00:27:48,602 run away or give him the knife so he can stab her to death. 570 00:27:49,537 --> 00:27:51,402 Do we punish him for this? 571 00:27:51,472 --> 00:27:54,805 Or do we tell him that there are no consequences for his actions? 572 00:27:54,876 --> 00:27:58,437 We remove him to Family Court in hopes of rehabilitation. 573 00:27:59,347 --> 00:28:02,373 That won't happen if he goes J.O. And you know it. 574 00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:05,749 You have more faith in the Juvenile Justice Department than I do. 575 00:28:10,391 --> 00:28:13,087 You're adamantly opposed to prosecuting this case? 576 00:28:13,161 --> 00:28:15,925 Yes. I think it's wrong. 577 00:28:17,565 --> 00:28:18,930 All right. 578 00:28:19,867 --> 00:28:21,459 Then I'll do it. 579 00:28:23,805 --> 00:28:25,568 You're second chair. 580 00:28:31,646 --> 00:28:34,877 Elizabeth Donnelly is back trying cases? 581 00:28:34,949 --> 00:28:38,146 Or did your new boss demote you already? 582 00:28:38,219 --> 00:28:41,916 Funny comments like that, it's a wonder both your legs aren't broken. 583 00:28:41,989 --> 00:28:44,253 You get attacked by one of your repeat offenders again? 584 00:28:44,325 --> 00:28:47,590 No, actually one of your esteemed colleagues knocked me off a curb. 585 00:28:47,662 --> 00:28:49,152 There's a law suit pending. 586 00:28:50,064 --> 00:28:53,056 Alexandra Cabot, Gina Bernardo, public defender. 587 00:28:53,134 --> 00:28:54,158 Nice to meet you. 588 00:28:54,235 --> 00:28:58,433 So the D.A. Has assembled a legal dream team to crucify a child. 589 00:28:58,506 --> 00:29:00,838 You know as well as I do charging Jeremy Brice 590 00:29:00,908 --> 00:29:03,103 as an adult is a gross injustice. 591 00:29:03,177 --> 00:29:04,940 Tell that to Susan Oestreicher's family. 592 00:29:05,012 --> 00:29:08,413 You honestly believe he deserves to be charged for murder two? 593 00:29:08,483 --> 00:29:10,314 The grand jury did. 594 00:29:10,384 --> 00:29:13,319 You can't possibly hold my client responsible for something 595 00:29:13,387 --> 00:29:16,481 it's impossible for him to be responsible for. 596 00:29:17,425 --> 00:29:19,586 Notification of affirmative defense. 597 00:29:19,660 --> 00:29:22,857 Not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. 598 00:29:25,399 --> 00:29:26,798 What defect? 599 00:29:27,835 --> 00:29:30,235 His 14-year-old brain. 600 00:29:31,405 --> 00:29:32,929 Your Honor, this is an obvious attempt 601 00:29:33,007 --> 00:29:34,531 to backdoor the defense of infancy. 602 00:29:34,609 --> 00:29:38,773 Article 30 clearly states that defense cannot be used for juveniles charged with murder. 603 00:29:38,846 --> 00:29:42,304 I'm not saying that my client isn't responsible because of his age. 604 00:29:42,383 --> 00:29:45,648 I am saying he isn't responsible because of his diminished capacity. 605 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,814 Dictated by his age. It's the same thing. 606 00:29:48,890 --> 00:29:51,381 This is a legislative issue, Your Honor, not a matter for the court. 607 00:29:51,459 --> 00:29:55,054 Then why did three Supreme Court justices draft a public statement 608 00:29:55,129 --> 00:29:57,689 calling for the abolishment of juvenile executions? 609 00:29:57,765 --> 00:30:01,963 Because it is cruel and unusual to impose adult punishment on someone 610 00:30:02,036 --> 00:30:03,901 who isn't capable of adult thought. 611 00:30:03,971 --> 00:30:06,166 Couldn't one argue then that certain behavior, 612 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,540 such as the committing of a violent crime, proves adult thought? 613 00:30:10,611 --> 00:30:13,978 No. If your 10-year-old son takes your car out for a joy ride, 614 00:30:14,048 --> 00:30:16,380 do you automatically hand him a driver's license? 615 00:30:16,450 --> 00:30:18,042 This is all very interesting, Ms. Bernardo, 616 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,350 but I fail to see how any of this applies to an insanity defense. 617 00:30:21,422 --> 00:30:23,185 These are scientific studies 618 00:30:23,257 --> 00:30:27,193 proving that an adolescent's brain is significantly different than an adult's. 619 00:30:27,261 --> 00:30:31,129 That, in fact, our brains aren't fully formed until we're in our early 20s. 620 00:30:31,199 --> 00:30:33,258 And I can present scientific studies which prove 621 00:30:33,334 --> 00:30:35,996 my cat is trying to kill me in my sleep. 622 00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:37,230 Daubert test, Your Honor. 623 00:30:37,305 --> 00:30:40,741 Scientific evidence must meet federal standards of relevance and reliability. 624 00:30:40,808 --> 00:30:44,266 Well, one of the studies was done by the National Institute of Mental Health. 625 00:30:44,345 --> 00:30:46,677 Is the federal government reliable enough for you? 626 00:30:46,747 --> 00:30:49,944 The reliability of the studies isn't in question. 627 00:30:50,017 --> 00:30:54,147 My job is to determine whether or not they have any material value. 628 00:30:54,222 --> 00:30:55,883 I believe they do. 629 00:30:56,757 --> 00:30:59,521 And I believe the jury should hear them. 630 00:31:03,998 --> 00:31:07,900 Dr. Hayman, can you tell us about the study you recently completed? 631 00:31:07,969 --> 00:31:10,733 We used functional magnetic resonance imaging 632 00:31:10,805 --> 00:31:13,774 to map the brains of healthy adolescents over several years 633 00:31:13,841 --> 00:31:16,071 and compared them to those of healthy adults. 634 00:31:16,143 --> 00:31:18,202 And what did your study find? 635 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:21,806 For adolescents, brain activity is much higher in the amygdala, 636 00:31:21,883 --> 00:31:25,011 which guides instincts like fear or anger. 637 00:31:25,086 --> 00:31:28,317 In adults, the activity in the frontal lobe is higher, 638 00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:31,620 and that's the seat of reasoning and good judgment. 639 00:31:31,692 --> 00:31:34,661 So what are the conclusions of your findings? 640 00:31:34,729 --> 00:31:38,187 Adolescents are physiologically prone 641 00:31:38,266 --> 00:31:40,530 to impulsive and irrational behavior. 642 00:31:40,601 --> 00:31:47,006 So teenagers are moody and unpredictable, and even violent, 643 00:31:47,074 --> 00:31:48,974 because they are wired that way? 644 00:31:49,043 --> 00:31:50,772 Objection. Leading. 645 00:31:50,845 --> 00:31:52,210 Sustained. 646 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,680 That's all. No further questions. 647 00:31:57,818 --> 00:32:04,690 So, your study says that teenagers are impulsive and irrational. 648 00:32:08,396 --> 00:32:10,796 Here's what I don't understand. 649 00:32:10,865 --> 00:32:14,858 If that's true, how is it that every single teenager 650 00:32:14,936 --> 00:32:17,461 isn't a rapist or a murderer? 651 00:32:17,538 --> 00:32:21,372 I believe I said adolescents were prone to certain behaviors. 652 00:32:21,442 --> 00:32:25,378 Then some teenagers are perfectly reasonable and rational. 653 00:32:25,446 --> 00:32:26,538 Yes. 654 00:32:27,248 --> 00:32:28,510 How many? 655 00:32:30,418 --> 00:32:31,442 How many what? 656 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,080 How many teenagers are rational and how many are rapists and murderers? 657 00:32:36,123 --> 00:32:37,556 There's no answer to that question. 658 00:32:37,625 --> 00:32:39,092 I thought you mapped their brains. 659 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,095 We haven't tested every single teenager in the world. 660 00:32:42,763 --> 00:32:47,598 Oh. So if you had given MRIs to every single teenager, 661 00:32:47,668 --> 00:32:51,263 you would be able to predict whether or not they would be a criminal. Is that it? 662 00:32:51,339 --> 00:32:53,136 No. Well, what? 663 00:32:53,207 --> 00:32:56,074 If the irrational part of the brain is overactive, 664 00:32:56,143 --> 00:32:58,373 that proves that they'll be violent, doesn't it? 665 00:32:58,446 --> 00:33:00,311 It doesn't prove anything. 666 00:33:00,381 --> 00:33:02,474 This research is in its infancy. 667 00:33:03,384 --> 00:33:05,443 Your study doesn't prove anything? 668 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,180 Not what you're asking for, but... 669 00:33:07,254 --> 00:33:10,087 Then it's a theory, an unproven theory. 670 00:33:10,157 --> 00:33:12,625 This research is a huge step forward 671 00:33:12,693 --> 00:33:14,285 in understanding how the brain works. 672 00:33:14,362 --> 00:33:18,093 Which is just another way of saying we really don't understand the brain at all. 673 00:33:21,168 --> 00:33:22,760 Nothing further. 674 00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:30,468 Jeremy, do you know the difference between what's right and what's wrong? 675 00:33:31,379 --> 00:33:32,403 Yes. 676 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,041 Was it wrong to break into Susan Oestreicher's apartment? 677 00:33:37,551 --> 00:33:38,711 Yes. 678 00:33:39,220 --> 00:33:40,585 Then why did you do it? 679 00:33:41,922 --> 00:33:44,152 Zach said he wanted some money. 680 00:33:44,225 --> 00:33:46,022 Do you always do what Zach wants? 681 00:33:47,228 --> 00:33:48,991 He's my best friend. 682 00:33:49,063 --> 00:33:52,089 Jeremy, did you know that Zach was planning to kill that woman? 683 00:33:53,234 --> 00:33:54,258 No. 684 00:33:54,702 --> 00:33:57,136 And if you thought even for one moment 685 00:33:57,204 --> 00:33:58,899 that that's what he wanted to do, 686 00:33:58,973 --> 00:34:00,531 would you have gone with him to the apartment, 687 00:34:00,608 --> 00:34:02,735 even though he's your best friend? 688 00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:03,936 No. 689 00:34:04,945 --> 00:34:07,072 I don't want anyone to get killed. 690 00:34:07,148 --> 00:34:09,048 Jeremy, what is more wrong? 691 00:34:09,116 --> 00:34:13,382 Watching someone do something terrible or telling on your only friend? 692 00:34:18,025 --> 00:34:19,492 I don't know. 693 00:34:21,429 --> 00:34:24,262 So, maybe, you don't know right from wrong as much as you think. 694 00:34:27,468 --> 00:34:29,129 Thank you, Jeremy. 695 00:34:32,740 --> 00:34:35,470 Who hit Susan Oestreicher over the head? 696 00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:37,302 Zach. 697 00:34:37,845 --> 00:34:40,507 Hard enough so she was knocked out, right? 698 00:34:40,581 --> 00:34:41,605 Yeah. 699 00:34:41,682 --> 00:34:44,207 Then Zach told you to get the knife. 700 00:34:45,686 --> 00:34:48,246 He... He said to look in the kitchen. 701 00:34:48,322 --> 00:34:50,017 Did you think he was going to stab her? 702 00:34:50,624 --> 00:34:51,750 No. 703 00:34:51,826 --> 00:34:53,817 What did you think he was going to do? 704 00:34:55,029 --> 00:34:58,055 Scare her. He didn't want her to yell. 705 00:34:58,132 --> 00:35:00,930 But she wasn't awake. How would she yell? 706 00:35:02,570 --> 00:35:04,265 I don't know. 707 00:35:04,338 --> 00:35:06,636 What do people do with knives, Jeremy? 708 00:35:09,076 --> 00:35:10,441 Cut things. 709 00:35:10,978 --> 00:35:14,379 So you walked into the kitchen and you got the knife. 710 00:35:14,448 --> 00:35:15,506 Yes. 711 00:35:16,350 --> 00:35:18,375 You said you were afraid of Zach. Why? 712 00:35:18,452 --> 00:35:19,851 He was yelling at me. 713 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,320 Why didn't you walk out the door? 714 00:35:26,327 --> 00:35:27,794 I don't know. 715 00:35:31,332 --> 00:35:33,857 So, you got the knife. 716 00:35:35,035 --> 00:35:36,832 You walked back to Zach, 717 00:35:36,904 --> 00:35:39,873 and you were holding the knife in your hands. 718 00:35:39,940 --> 00:35:41,100 Yes. 719 00:35:41,175 --> 00:35:42,904 Why did you give it to him? 720 00:35:42,977 --> 00:35:45,138 Was it because you were afraid or because you 721 00:35:45,212 --> 00:35:47,806 wanted to be cool for your friend? 722 00:35:47,882 --> 00:35:48,940 I don't know! 723 00:35:49,016 --> 00:35:51,109 You knew what he was going to do, 724 00:35:51,185 --> 00:35:53,551 and you helped him do it. Isn't that why? 725 00:35:55,122 --> 00:35:56,589 I'm sorry! 726 00:35:58,192 --> 00:36:00,319 I'm so sorry. 727 00:36:00,394 --> 00:36:01,884 I'm so sorry. 728 00:36:02,496 --> 00:36:03,793 I'm sorry. 729 00:36:04,532 --> 00:36:05,863 I'm sorry. 730 00:36:14,074 --> 00:36:15,666 Nothing further. 731 00:36:18,846 --> 00:36:20,507 I'm so sorry. 732 00:36:28,689 --> 00:36:29,951 Alex. 733 00:36:31,225 --> 00:36:33,750 Well, guess you got what you wanted. 734 00:36:34,929 --> 00:36:38,763 Destroying a child on the stand is not quite the highlight of my career. 735 00:36:39,934 --> 00:36:41,458 You did your job. 736 00:36:41,535 --> 00:36:42,627 Careful, Alex. 737 00:36:42,703 --> 00:36:46,799 You're beginning to sound like me, disillusioned before your time. 738 00:36:48,475 --> 00:36:50,636 I need you to subpoena a rebuttal witness. 739 00:36:50,711 --> 00:36:51,973 Who? Zachary Connor. 740 00:36:52,046 --> 00:36:53,138 Why? 741 00:36:53,214 --> 00:36:55,512 As of today, he's been adjudicated by Family Court. 742 00:36:55,583 --> 00:36:59,144 Any testimony he gives won't be tainted by his co-conspirator status. 743 00:36:59,220 --> 00:37:00,710 If you put Zachary Connor on the stand, 744 00:37:00,788 --> 00:37:03,757 he's going to say that Jeremy did everything and I believe that's a lie. 745 00:37:03,824 --> 00:37:06,657 I'm not putting him on the stand. You are. 746 00:37:06,727 --> 00:37:09,491 Jury already thinks I make little kids cry. 747 00:37:09,563 --> 00:37:11,428 No. I won't suborn perjury. 748 00:37:11,498 --> 00:37:14,365 Then I guess you better make sure he tells the truth. 749 00:37:22,776 --> 00:37:25,404 Zachary, who killed Susan Oestreicher? 750 00:37:26,513 --> 00:37:27,878 Jeremy did. 751 00:37:28,616 --> 00:37:30,311 So he stabbed her with a knife? 752 00:37:30,384 --> 00:37:31,681 Yes. 753 00:37:31,752 --> 00:37:34,277 That must have been very frightening for you. 754 00:37:34,355 --> 00:37:36,186 Yes. I was scared. 755 00:37:36,257 --> 00:37:37,986 What were you scared of? 756 00:37:38,058 --> 00:37:39,252 Jeremy. 757 00:37:39,793 --> 00:37:40,851 Why? 758 00:37:41,395 --> 00:37:43,158 Because he's bigger. 759 00:37:44,031 --> 00:37:46,090 Was Jeremy afraid of anything? 760 00:37:46,166 --> 00:37:47,224 Yes. 761 00:37:47,668 --> 00:37:48,760 What? 762 00:37:49,036 --> 00:37:51,470 He was just afraid. He didn't want to get caught. 763 00:37:51,538 --> 00:37:53,096 But you did get caught. 764 00:37:53,173 --> 00:37:54,663 Miss Oestreicher came home. 765 00:37:54,742 --> 00:37:57,575 That was Jeremy's fault. He got it wrong. 766 00:37:57,978 --> 00:38:00,276 You must have been really scared when she walked in that door? 767 00:38:00,347 --> 00:38:01,814 No, I wasn't. 768 00:38:01,882 --> 00:38:02,940 Okay. 769 00:38:04,551 --> 00:38:06,849 Zachary, when did you throw up? 770 00:38:07,721 --> 00:38:08,847 That was Jeremy. 771 00:38:08,922 --> 00:38:11,288 I thought you were afraid, Zachary. 772 00:38:11,358 --> 00:38:14,384 I thought you threw up because you couldn't look at the blood. 773 00:38:14,461 --> 00:38:16,929 I could, too. Jeremy couldn't. 774 00:38:16,997 --> 00:38:18,760 He was being a baby and crying. 775 00:38:18,832 --> 00:38:21,164 When? Before or after she was killed? 776 00:38:21,235 --> 00:38:22,395 The whole time. 777 00:38:22,469 --> 00:38:24,699 And you weren't crying? Not even just a little? 778 00:38:24,772 --> 00:38:25,864 No. 779 00:38:25,939 --> 00:38:27,372 But I thought you were afraid, Zachary. 780 00:38:27,441 --> 00:38:29,705 I thought you were afraid of Jeremy. 781 00:38:29,777 --> 00:38:30,971 No, I wasn't. 782 00:38:31,045 --> 00:38:34,208 And you were also afraid of that woman because she was going to call the police. 783 00:38:34,281 --> 00:38:35,339 She was afraid of me. 784 00:38:35,416 --> 00:38:37,884 And you wanted to show them both that you were a man, 785 00:38:37,951 --> 00:38:39,350 and that's why you had sex with her. 786 00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:42,480 Well, that was her fault because she wouldn't tell me where the money was. 787 00:38:42,556 --> 00:38:45,787 Jeremy was crying! He wouldn't do anything so I had to do it! 788 00:38:45,859 --> 00:38:49,226 If she had just told me where the money was, I wouldn't have had to hurt her! 789 00:38:52,366 --> 00:38:53,958 Nothing further. 790 00:39:04,178 --> 00:39:05,805 Five to 10 years. 791 00:39:06,447 --> 00:39:08,540 He wouldn't get out until he was 24? 792 00:39:08,615 --> 00:39:11,743 It's the minimum sentence. With good behavior, he's out in five. 793 00:39:11,819 --> 00:39:14,913 But if they say not guilty, he won't go to jail at all. 794 00:39:14,988 --> 00:39:19,448 The jury will not say that. The law is very clear. 795 00:39:19,526 --> 00:39:21,494 Jeremy already admitted to being in the apartment 796 00:39:21,562 --> 00:39:24,463 with the intent to burglarize it and someone was killed. 797 00:39:25,466 --> 00:39:27,866 He can still be found guilty of felony murder. 798 00:39:27,935 --> 00:39:30,529 You want me to tell you to send my son to jail. 799 00:39:30,604 --> 00:39:33,368 Why don't we take a day to think about this? 800 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,465 No. I don't need to think about it. 801 00:39:35,542 --> 00:39:38,739 The answer is no. He didn't hurt anyone. 802 00:39:38,812 --> 00:39:44,250 Mrs. Brice, if Jeremy is convicted, he is facing a possible life sentence. 803 00:39:46,987 --> 00:39:50,787 Miss Bernardo, please tell your client's mother how rare jury nullification is. 804 00:39:50,858 --> 00:39:52,485 We should take the deal. 805 00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:55,524 I don't like taking chances with the jury. 806 00:39:56,296 --> 00:39:57,354 They heard that other boy. 807 00:39:57,431 --> 00:40:01,094 They know Jeremy is good, and they won't send him to jail. 808 00:40:01,668 --> 00:40:02,965 No. 809 00:40:03,537 --> 00:40:04,765 No deal. 810 00:40:13,247 --> 00:40:16,478 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, have you reached a verdict? 811 00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:18,313 We have, Your Honor. 812 00:40:18,886 --> 00:40:22,117 On the first count, murder in the second degree, how do you find? 813 00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:25,324 We find the defendant guilty. 814 00:40:25,392 --> 00:40:26,859 No! 815 00:40:30,097 --> 00:40:33,897 On the second count, burglary in the first degree, how do you find? 816 00:40:33,967 --> 00:40:36,162 We find the defendant guilty. 817 00:40:40,407 --> 00:40:42,432 Poll the jury, Your Honor. 818 00:40:42,509 --> 00:40:45,205 Juror number one, what is your verdict? 819 00:40:47,381 --> 00:40:48,871 Guilty. 820 00:40:48,949 --> 00:40:50,075 Juror number two? 821 00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:51,242 Guilty. 822 00:40:52,586 --> 00:40:54,315 Juror number three? 823 00:40:54,822 --> 00:40:56,016 Guilty. 824 00:40:56,723 --> 00:40:58,418 Juror number four? 825 00:40:58,492 --> 00:40:59,584 Guilty. 826 00:40:59,660 --> 00:41:01,321 Juror number five? 827 00:41:01,395 --> 00:41:02,521 Guilty. 828 00:41:02,596 --> 00:41:03,893 Juror number six? 829 00:41:03,964 --> 00:41:05,226 Guilty. 830 00:41:05,299 --> 00:41:07,392 Juror number seven? 831 00:41:07,468 --> 00:41:08,696 Guilty. 62754

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