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In the criminal justice system,
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sexually-based offenses
are considered especially heinous
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In New York City,
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the dedicated detectives who investigate
these vicious felonies are members
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of an elite squad known
as The Special Victims Unit.
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These are their stories.
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Can I help you?
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I want to report a rape.
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Okay. Let's go
someplace private, huh?
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Can you tell me what happened?
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It's okay, Megan.
I'm just here to help.
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He followed me
to my apartment last night.
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I don't know how
he got in the building,
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but when I opened my door
he pushed his way in.
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And then what happened?
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Megan?
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I told him to leave
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and that I never wanted
to see him again,
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but he slammed the door.
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Oh, God.
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Can you tell me who did this to you?
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Megan, is it your boyfriend?
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He's my father.
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Law & Order SVU
3x01 Repression
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박수진(cafelattte@hotmail.com)
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ORIGINAL AIR DATE ON NBC: 2001/09/28
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It started when I was
in the first grade.
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Stroking, touching.
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He'd help me undress for bed,
and sometimes he'd take off his shirt
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and then his pants.
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When I was 12,
he put himself...
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Take your time.
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He told me not to cry.
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He'd show me these horrible pictures.
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He said that that was how
daddies loved their little girls.
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And this has been
going on ever since?
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No, he stopped
after I got my period.
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- How long ago was that?
- When I was 14.
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Did anything sexual happen last night?
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No, but we had a horrible fight.
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If he didn't have to catch a plane,
who knows what he would have done?
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I'm not going to lie to you, Megan.
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It's going to be very difficult to prove
a four-year-old rape.
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And we can't charge him
for the earlier abuse
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because the statute of limitation
only extends back five years.
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What about Lily?
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Who's Lily?
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My little sister.
She's seven.
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That's the same age I was
when he started molesting me.
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Well, did you see him
do anything to her?
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Yesterday afternoon I went to
my parents' to do my laundry,
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and I walked in on them.
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And what did you see?
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He was touching her
just like he used to touch me.
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Hey, Captain, we got some background
on Megan's father.
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I'm on my way to the Mayor's luncheon,
so let's make this quick.
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Okay. Evan Ramsey runs
Southerland Pharmaceuticals,
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and he just donated a wing
to the East Harlem Children's Hospital.
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Well, if his daughter's telling the truth,
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they're not gonna be hanging
his picture on their wall.
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Rebecca Southerland is the wife.
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She's also the daughter of
the company's founding father.
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So he married into the social register.
Any other kids?
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Yeah, two. Jody, 15,
and Lily, seven.
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Lily is the one that Megan says
he's molesting.
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So, basically,
we're working two cases here.
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A rape just this side
of the statute of limitations,
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and the possible molestation
of a seven-year-old.
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Munch and Fin are checking
with Children's Services
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to see if the family's
got any priors.
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Well, where is the mother in all this?
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She and Megan aren't
on speaking terms.
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We're off to see the mother right now.
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Good. Get back to me when you
have something to talk about.
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I've been married to Evan for 19 years,
had three children with him.
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I'd certainly know
if he was raping one of them.
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You've always had a blind spot
where he's concerned.
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Dad, please.
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Megan's lashing out.
She's a very angry young woman.
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Where do you think
all this anger came from?
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From that therapist
she's been seeing.
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- What therapist?
- Dr. Wharton.
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Megan started seeing her
when she went to Columbia.
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Since then, my daughter's
become an expert
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on what she calls
"our family dysfunction."
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I've tried talking to her,
but she just shuts me out.
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We've seen these
kind of cases before,
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and it's very difficult for daughters
to share this with their mothers.
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It isn't the first time she's made up
little stories to get attention.
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Has she ever
made up anything like this?
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Nothing this outlandish,
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but she has stretched the bounds of
reality to get what she wanted.
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God knows what she's been
telling that therapist.
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We're going to need to
speak with Jody and Lily.
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I don't see why that's necessary.
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It's routine. Whenever allegations
like these are made,
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we'd like to talk to everyone
in the family.
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Now she's putting her sisters
into the middle of her little drama.
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When can we talk to them?
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- They're in school.
- Where?
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I'll not have you embarrass them
in front of their friends.
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Then bring them down
to our precinct after school.
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The sooner we can talk to them,
the sooner we can close this up.
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They'll be there.
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Whole Life Recovery Center
92 West 78th Street
Tuesday, February 13
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Megan came to me suffering
from bulimia and depression.
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What was she depressed about?
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Eating disorders often signal
a deeper emotional trauma.
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In Megan's case,
it was childhood incest.
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- When did Megan tell you this?
- Only recently.
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She built a wall between
herself and her father,
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but after months of hard work
the floodgates finally opened
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and the truth came out.
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Why didn't you report the abuse?
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Megan's an adult. I couldn't
break confidentiality.
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The only reason I'm talking to you is
because she gave me permission.
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What about her younger sisters?
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I repeatedly asked her if she
thought they were at risk,
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and she always said no,
until yesterday.
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She called and she said that
she'd reported her father for abusing Lily.
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Is Megan emotionally ready
for the strain of a police investigation?
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She's still healing,
but she came to you,
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so that tells me she's
on the road to recovery.
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I had to go to the basement
to dig up this file.
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How long has it been there?
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Seven years,
when Megan Ramsey was 11.
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Who reported it?
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A resident in the emergency
room at Mercy General.
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Her mother brought her in for vaginal
bleeding after a bicycle accident.
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Megan told them she'd been
having trouble urinating,
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and when he noticed bruising
on her backside, he called.
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Your investigation
turn up anything?
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Megan said she got the bruises
riding horses at her grandfather's farm.
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What about the other problem?
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We contacted her pediatrician.
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He told us Megan had
a minor urinary tract infection
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from taking too many bubble baths.
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After a series of follow-up visits,
the case was closed.
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Thank you.
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Our complaining witness appears to
have a history of emotional problems.
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She's an incest victim.
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Doesn't necessarily make her
an unreliable witness.
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This man is a community leader.
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He's known for his good works
and political clout.
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So let's make sure we have
our ammunition
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before going to war with his lawyers.
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- Mind if I join the party?
- Well, it depends on what you brought.
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Evan Ramsey was investigated
for child abuse against Megan
seven years ago,
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but the case worker found no evidence
to support the charge.
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Rebecca didn't mention
anything about that.
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Well, it wouldn't be the first time a wife
chose her husband over her children.
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Since Evan's out of town,
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find out as much as you can
before he gets back.
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They're here.
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Okay, separate rooms.
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See if either one
confirms Megan's story.
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Meanwhile, I'll see if I can
wear down Mom with my charm.
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So, Lily, do you spend
a lot of time together with your daddy?
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Well, sometimes we go to the park
and we ride the horses.
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What else do you do together?
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He reads stories to me
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- and we play games.
- Yeah? What kind of games?
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What is it, honey?
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Why is everybody mad at my daddy?
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Well, what makes you think
that we're mad?
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Megan said he was doing bad things.
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What kind of bad things?
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I don't know.
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Lily, does your dad ever
do things that you don't like?
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Well, sometimes he yells
and says bad words.
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What else does he do
that you don't like?
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Nothing.
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My daddy loves me.
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I don't understand.
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Well, did your dad ever
touch you in a way that,
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you know, made you feel uncomfortable?
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No. He's a great dad.
He'd never do anything like that.
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How about with your sisters?
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No. Sometimes he and Megan
would argue,
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but he was just trying
to keep her out of trouble.
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Yeah? What kind of trouble?
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He said her boyfriend was bad news.
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She thought he was
trying to control her life.
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How's his relationship with Lily?
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He never yells at her.
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He spend a lot of time with her?
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I guess.
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So what do they do
when they hang out?
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They go to the park
and he reads to her.
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- Just the usual stuff.
- Usual stuff?
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Anything else?
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Go on.
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- It probably doesn't mean anything.
- So tell me anyway.
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Sometimes he goes
to her room at night,
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and I hear crying.
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And?
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He still gives her baths
with the door locked.
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And a few nights ago,
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I woke up in the middle of the night
to get a drink of water,
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and I saw him changing Lily's sheets.
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She was crying in the corner
with her bottoms off.
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Dad was acting weird.
He said she wet the bed.
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But...
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But what?
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She hasn't wet the bed
since she was two.
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I don't believe this.
It can't be true.
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Mrs. Ramsey, I know this isn't easy,
but we're grasping at straws.
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I've heard enough.
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If you give us permission
to search Lily's room,
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we just might come up
with some answers.
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I can't take this anymore.
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Mrs. Ramsey, there's someone
here to see you.
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Megan.
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Detective Benson told me
you'd be here.
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It's not true. It can't be.
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He raped me, Mother.
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I was 12 years old.
Where were you?
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Why didn't you help me?
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I didn't know.
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I swear to God I didn't know.
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We're going to need physical
examinations on Jody and Lily,
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and permission to search your house.
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Do whatever you need to do.
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I want my children safe.
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He'll be home any minute.
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We'll handle the introductions.
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Olivia!
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What do you got?
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00:13:58,212 --> 00:14:01,423
Kiddie porn right under Lily's mattress.
240
00:14:01,423 --> 00:14:03,050
There you go.
241
00:14:03,384 --> 00:14:05,552
Got something else, Detectives.
242
00:14:06,011 --> 00:14:07,971
Men's underwear.
243
00:14:08,097 --> 00:14:09,473
Rebecca?
244
00:14:09,473 --> 00:14:12,142
- Everything okay?
- Bag it all. / You got it.
245
00:14:12,142 --> 00:14:14,520
What the hell is going on here?
246
00:14:15,562 --> 00:14:18,690
Evan Ramsey, New York City detectives.
We'd like you to come with us.
247
00:14:18,690 --> 00:14:19,983
I'm not going anywhere
till somebody tells me...
248
00:14:19,983 --> 00:14:22,111
- We just want to ask you a few questions.
- Look, you have no right to...
249
00:14:22,111 --> 00:14:24,154
Please, Mr. Ramsey, for the sake
of your daughters,
250
00:14:24,154 --> 00:14:26,824
let's not do this in front of them.
251
00:14:35,582 --> 00:14:38,168
I didn't rape my daughter.
252
00:14:38,168 --> 00:14:41,171
- That's not what Megan says.
- She's angry and confused.
253
00:14:41,171 --> 00:14:42,339
About what?
254
00:14:42,339 --> 00:14:44,383
I threatened to pull the plug
on her college tuition
255
00:14:44,383 --> 00:14:47,427
if she didn't drop that boyfriend
and start buckling down.
256
00:14:47,427 --> 00:14:49,388
So she's crying rape
to get back at you?
257
00:14:49,388 --> 00:14:51,557
I have no idea why she's doing this.
258
00:14:51,557 --> 00:14:52,808
I have tried to get through to her,
259
00:14:52,808 --> 00:14:55,102
and she just keeps pulling
further away from me.
260
00:14:55,102 --> 00:14:59,106
I mean, I... I try to hug her,
she recoils like I'm contagious.
261
00:14:59,106 --> 00:15:03,610
She said she saw you fondling
Lily in her own bed.
262
00:15:05,571 --> 00:15:07,489
I was helping her put on her pajamas.
263
00:15:07,489 --> 00:15:09,449
What about the visits to her room
in the middle of the night?
264
00:15:09,449 --> 00:15:12,327
- She has nightmares, for God's sake.
- Nightmares, huh?
265
00:15:12,327 --> 00:15:14,329
I wonder if these caused them.
266
00:15:14,329 --> 00:15:16,081
What?
267
00:15:17,541 --> 00:15:18,625
These are disgusting.
268
00:15:18,625 --> 00:15:21,795
Well, we found them in Lily's room,
along with a pair of your underwear.
269
00:15:21,795 --> 00:15:23,005
This is ridiculous.
270
00:15:23,005 --> 00:15:25,090
The pictures were printed
on a digital printer
271
00:15:25,090 --> 00:15:26,758
just like the one
next to your computer.
272
00:15:26,758 --> 00:15:28,218
I only use that computer for business.
273
00:15:28,218 --> 00:15:29,553
Yeah? That's some business.
274
00:15:29,553 --> 00:15:32,890
Look, I know this has gotta
come as a big shock to you,
275
00:15:32,890 --> 00:15:35,142
but on some level also a relief.
276
00:15:35,142 --> 00:15:37,895
Now you get the chance
to clear the decks, get some help.
277
00:15:37,895 --> 00:15:40,606
Megan has already
broken her silence.
278
00:15:40,606 --> 00:15:43,483
It's only a matter of time
before your other daughters join her.
279
00:15:43,483 --> 00:15:44,985
I haven't done anything wrong.
280
00:15:44,985 --> 00:15:47,779
Do you have any idea what they do
to child molesters in prison?
281
00:15:47,779 --> 00:15:49,615
I'm sure that they'll grow
very attached to you
282
00:15:49,615 --> 00:15:52,534
once they find out why you're there.
283
00:15:53,452 --> 00:15:56,163
- I want my lawyer.
- Fine.
284
00:15:56,163 --> 00:15:58,248
Do we have anything
to corroborate the rape?
285
00:15:58,248 --> 00:15:59,791
Only Megan's testimony.
286
00:15:59,791 --> 00:16:02,169
Any physical evidence is long gone.
287
00:16:02,169 --> 00:16:03,378
And Lily?
288
00:16:03,378 --> 00:16:06,882
Medical exam showed vaginal irritation,
but nothing conclusive.
289
00:16:06,882 --> 00:16:09,176
Jody's was negative.
290
00:16:09,176 --> 00:16:11,470
That leaves us with the photos
and the underwear.
291
00:16:11,470 --> 00:16:15,265
But Lily still hasn't provided testimony
linking them to her alleged abuse.
292
00:16:15,265 --> 00:16:16,892
Megan passed the poly.
293
00:16:16,892 --> 00:16:18,310
You know that's inadmissible.
294
00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:19,853
It confirms her story.
295
00:16:19,853 --> 00:16:23,815
We let him go, he goes
right back home to his daughters.
296
00:16:24,900 --> 00:16:28,236
All right.
Arrest him for the rape.
297
00:16:30,906 --> 00:16:33,742
- Where's my lawyer?
- He knows where to find you.
298
00:16:33,742 --> 00:16:35,077
- I want to know why.
- Rebecca.
299
00:16:35,077 --> 00:16:36,536
- Rebecca, come with me.
- No, let me do this!
300
00:16:36,536 --> 00:16:38,413
- Wasn't I enough?
- How could you even think that?
301
00:16:38,413 --> 00:16:40,082
- I trusted you!
- My God, look at me!
302
00:16:40,082 --> 00:16:42,167
Do you think that
I could ever hurt them?
303
00:16:42,167 --> 00:16:45,212
- You disgust me!
- Rebecca! Please...
304
00:16:45,212 --> 00:16:46,880
Don't do this!
305
00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,173
Stop!
306
00:16:54,429 --> 00:16:56,848
Arraignment Part 44
Thursday, February 15
307
00:16:56,848 --> 00:16:59,059
Mr. Ramsey, how do you plead?
308
00:16:59,059 --> 00:17:00,185
Not guilty.
309
00:17:00,185 --> 00:17:03,939
Your Honor, the defendant's financial
resources alone make him a serious flight risk.
310
00:17:03,939 --> 00:17:07,234
Your Honor, Mr. Ramsey's contributions
to the community are well known.
311
00:17:07,234 --> 00:17:09,778
He's not going anywhere
and he's a danger to no one.
312
00:17:09,778 --> 00:17:12,656
Except perhaps to his daughters.
313
00:17:12,656 --> 00:17:17,077
I'm setting bail at $500,000,
or $5 million surety.
314
00:17:17,077 --> 00:17:19,204
Your Honor, given the nature
of the offenses charged,
315
00:17:19,204 --> 00:17:21,081
the People request an order of protection
316
00:17:21,081 --> 00:17:23,250
barring the defendant from entering
the family residence
317
00:17:23,250 --> 00:17:26,795
or from coming within
100 yards of his children.
318
00:17:26,795 --> 00:17:28,630
So ordered.
319
00:17:30,757 --> 00:17:33,051
So I hear that your daddy reads to you.
320
00:17:33,051 --> 00:17:34,469
Yeah.
321
00:17:34,469 --> 00:17:36,555
What's your favorite story?
322
00:17:36,555 --> 00:17:39,808
I took her to see
Megan's therapist.
323
00:17:39,808 --> 00:17:43,770
Afterwards, she rattled off the symptoms
like a shopping list.
324
00:17:43,770 --> 00:17:47,190
The crying, the sleepless nights.
325
00:17:47,649 --> 00:17:55,031
She says Lily's blocking it all out
because it's too much for her to bear.
326
00:17:55,031 --> 00:17:57,951
It's so clear now.
327
00:17:58,493 --> 00:18:00,871
Why didn't I see it?
328
00:18:00,871 --> 00:18:04,958
Because he went through a lot of trouble
to make sure that you didn't.
329
00:18:06,042 --> 00:18:07,294
Can I talk to her?
330
00:18:07,294 --> 00:18:08,670
Please.
331
00:18:10,380 --> 00:18:11,715
Well?
332
00:18:11,715 --> 00:18:13,550
She hasn't disclosed anything.
333
00:18:13,550 --> 00:18:14,759
She's scared.
334
00:18:14,759 --> 00:18:15,969
Wouldn't you be?
335
00:18:15,969 --> 00:18:18,096
She knows her father's in trouble
and she's the cause.
336
00:18:18,096 --> 00:18:19,931
If we don't get her testimony
by day after tomorrow,
337
00:18:19,931 --> 00:18:22,475
I can't indict her case with Megan's.
338
00:18:22,475 --> 00:18:24,144
Megan's case can't stand on its own.
339
00:18:24,144 --> 00:18:26,980
I'll do the best I can,
but it's a slow dance,
340
00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:29,065
and I have to follow her lead.
341
00:18:29,608 --> 00:18:32,235
Police Crime Lab
1 Centre Street
Thursday, February 15
342
00:18:32,235 --> 00:18:35,447
DNA analysis matched hair and
fluids in the underwear to Evan Ramsey,
343
00:18:35,447 --> 00:18:39,451
but we found nothing in the bed sheets
or Lily's nightclothes.
344
00:18:39,451 --> 00:18:40,994
What about the pictures?
345
00:18:40,994 --> 00:18:43,455
Even with ninhydrin,
we couldn't raise any prints.
346
00:18:43,455 --> 00:18:45,582
In other words, we got a big fat zero.
347
00:18:45,582 --> 00:18:47,709
Not quite.
Take a look at the photo.
348
00:18:47,709 --> 00:18:51,338
The border was found
in a trash container in Lily's bathroom.
349
00:18:51,671 --> 00:18:54,591
See how it matches the cut pattern
on the bottom?
350
00:18:54,591 --> 00:18:57,302
Look at the date.
February 13.
351
00:18:57,302 --> 00:18:59,429
Yeah, it's the date
they were downloaded.
352
00:18:59,429 --> 00:19:00,889
Tuesday.
353
00:19:00,889 --> 00:19:02,349
You thinking what I'm thinking?
354
00:19:02,349 --> 00:19:05,518
Evan was in Baltimore on Tuesday.
355
00:19:05,894 --> 00:19:09,689
I'm computer illiterate.
I can't even turn the damn thing on.
356
00:19:09,689 --> 00:19:11,149
What about your children?
357
00:19:11,149 --> 00:19:13,234
You can't be serious.
358
00:19:13,234 --> 00:19:16,071
Did it ever occur to you that the date
might have been set wrong?
359
00:19:16,071 --> 00:19:17,280
We'll check that out.
360
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,908
But in the meantime, we need
to cover all of our bases.
361
00:19:19,908 --> 00:19:21,117
My kids were at school,
362
00:19:21,117 --> 00:19:23,870
and I was at my lawyer's
office filing for divorce.
363
00:19:23,870 --> 00:19:25,080
And where was Megan?
364
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,414
Megan doesn't live here.
365
00:19:26,414 --> 00:19:29,250
- But she has a key.
- Yeah.
366
00:19:29,250 --> 00:19:31,378
And where were you
Tuesday morning?
367
00:19:31,378 --> 00:19:33,296
I was at the grocery store.
368
00:19:33,296 --> 00:19:37,384
So no one can say for sure
whether Megan came home or not.
369
00:19:37,384 --> 00:19:40,387
All I know is Megan has a chemistry class
every Tuesday morning.
370
00:19:40,387 --> 00:19:41,971
Did she go?
371
00:19:41,971 --> 00:19:43,932
You'd have to ask her.
372
00:19:44,182 --> 00:19:45,892
I dropped chemistry.
373
00:19:45,892 --> 00:19:48,269
I haven't been able to
concentrate very well this semester.
374
00:19:48,269 --> 00:19:50,063
So what have you been doing
with your Tuesday mornings?
375
00:19:50,063 --> 00:19:52,565
I've been working with a tutor, trying to
catch up on my other classes.
376
00:19:52,565 --> 00:19:54,567
- This tutor got a name?
- Michael Tobin.
377
00:19:54,567 --> 00:19:57,570
- Were you with him last Tuesday?
- No.
378
00:19:57,570 --> 00:19:59,614
Thought you just said
you had a tutor.
379
00:19:59,614 --> 00:20:01,616
He was my boyfriend.
We broke up last week.
380
00:20:01,616 --> 00:20:03,076
So where were you then?
381
00:20:03,076 --> 00:20:05,203
- In the library studying.
- Anyone with you?
382
00:20:05,203 --> 00:20:07,163
Yeah, lots of people.
It's mid-terms.
383
00:20:07,163 --> 00:20:11,501
Look, I'm going to be late for a class.
Can we talk about this later?
384
00:20:14,087 --> 00:20:15,547
You gotta be kidding me.
385
00:20:15,547 --> 00:20:17,215
Hard drives don't lie.
386
00:20:17,215 --> 00:20:19,843
This one shows nothing but spreadsheets,
business correspondence,
387
00:20:19,843 --> 00:20:22,011
and a couple of hits
on a stock-trading website.
388
00:20:22,011 --> 00:20:24,556
- What about his laptop?
- Clean as a whistle.
389
00:20:24,556 --> 00:20:26,724
So his account was accessed
by another computer.
390
00:20:26,724 --> 00:20:28,977
Someone who knows
his password.
391
00:20:28,977 --> 00:20:30,979
Can you give us the location
of the download?
392
00:20:30,979 --> 00:20:34,315
You'd have to talk to the ISP for that.
393
00:20:34,941 --> 00:20:37,277
If Evan didn't download
those pictures, then who did?
394
00:20:37,277 --> 00:20:38,570
And why?
395
00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:41,489
The only one who can tell us
what happened in that bedroom is Lily.
396
00:20:41,489 --> 00:20:43,867
She's not talking.
At least not to us.
397
00:20:43,867 --> 00:20:45,910
But she did talk
to Megan's therapist.
398
00:20:45,910 --> 00:20:48,830
Does Dr. Wharton accept walk-ins?
399
00:20:49,289 --> 00:20:51,249
I'm not surprised she's resisting.
400
00:20:51,249 --> 00:20:53,168
We really need her testimony.
401
00:20:53,168 --> 00:20:54,586
Megan's isn't enough?
402
00:20:54,586 --> 00:20:57,589
Without Lily to corroborate,
it's just Evan's word against Megan's.
403
00:20:57,589 --> 00:21:00,758
Excuse me. / Our psychiatrist thinks
that Lily's protecting her father.
404
00:21:00,758 --> 00:21:03,678
She may feel more comfortable
talking to you.
405
00:21:03,678 --> 00:21:06,681
I've only seen her once,
but we did develop a rapport.
406
00:21:06,681 --> 00:21:08,266
I'll clear my schedule.
407
00:21:08,266 --> 00:21:10,143
Well, we appreciate that.
408
00:21:10,810 --> 00:21:12,520
Sure. Okay.
409
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,105
All right, bye.
410
00:21:14,731 --> 00:21:17,025
Munch checked with Evan's
internet service provider.
411
00:21:17,025 --> 00:21:22,655
The kiddie porn was downloaded to
a terminal at the student library at Columbia.
412
00:21:24,657 --> 00:21:27,827
Those pictures were downloaded
while your father was out of town.
413
00:21:27,827 --> 00:21:30,079
You put the pictures
under the mattress.
414
00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:32,707
No. / You planted your father's
underwear in the sheets.
415
00:21:32,707 --> 00:21:35,835
- No.
- Why did you do it, Megan?
416
00:21:38,254 --> 00:21:39,672
He was going to
get away with it again.
417
00:21:39,672 --> 00:21:41,758
Well, tell us the truth.
Maybe we can help.
418
00:21:41,758 --> 00:21:44,052
No one can help.
419
00:21:44,052 --> 00:21:46,262
He's too powerful.
420
00:21:47,972 --> 00:21:49,641
When he came to my apartment,
421
00:21:49,641 --> 00:21:54,354
he threatened to sue my therapist
and send me to a mental hospital.
422
00:21:54,646 --> 00:21:56,147
Who would believe me then?
423
00:21:56,147 --> 00:22:02,570
Some crazy girl telling wild stories
about her sex fiend father?
424
00:22:02,570 --> 00:22:07,116
I had to stop him. I couldn't
let it happen again.
425
00:22:10,536 --> 00:22:13,456
Motion Hearing Part 65
Tuesday, February 20
426
00:22:13,456 --> 00:22:15,208
In light of these developments,
427
00:22:15,208 --> 00:22:17,627
we submit the People have no case,
428
00:22:17,627 --> 00:22:21,631
and therefore move that the charges
against my client be dismissed.
429
00:22:21,631 --> 00:22:23,800
Your Honor, the evidence
in question has no bearing
430
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,760
on the rape case
pending before this court.
431
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,681
But it does bring into serious question
the veracity of the complaining witness.
432
00:22:29,681 --> 00:22:32,475
With no physical evidence
to support her allegations,
433
00:22:32,475 --> 00:22:35,311
the People have failed to meet
their obligations under the law.
434
00:22:35,311 --> 00:22:38,064
Have the People
anything new to present?
435
00:22:38,064 --> 00:22:39,941
No, Your Honor.
436
00:22:39,941 --> 00:22:42,318
Then I have to agree
with Mr. Wilmington.
437
00:22:42,318 --> 00:22:44,153
Case dismissed.
438
00:22:44,153 --> 00:22:47,782
Mr. Ramsey, you're free to go
with the court's apology.
439
00:22:52,912 --> 00:22:57,375
Megan, honey, I know
you didn't mean to do this.
440
00:23:00,545 --> 00:23:03,715
I want you moved out
by the end of the week.
441
00:23:13,141 --> 00:23:14,600
What a mess.
442
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,310
If Megan hadn't screwed up
the investigation,
443
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:18,104
we might have nailed him.
444
00:23:18,646 --> 00:23:20,022
Stabler.
445
00:23:20,022 --> 00:23:21,983
She's trying to protect her sister.
446
00:23:21,983 --> 00:23:24,318
Yeah, well, the road to hell's
paved with good intentions.
447
00:23:24,318 --> 00:23:25,820
It doesn't mean she wasn't raped.
448
00:23:25,820 --> 00:23:27,405
Now we'll never prove it.
449
00:23:27,405 --> 00:23:28,614
And if she's telling the truth,
450
00:23:28,614 --> 00:23:30,783
that means that he got away
with it all over again.
451
00:23:30,783 --> 00:23:33,327
Not quite.
That was the Captain.
452
00:23:33,327 --> 00:23:35,788
Evan Ramsey was murdered.
453
00:23:39,959 --> 00:23:43,713
Dropped him on the spot.
Single gunshot to the chest.
454
00:23:43,713 --> 00:23:46,382
Powder burns
indicate close range.
455
00:23:46,382 --> 00:23:47,884
When?
456
00:23:47,884 --> 00:23:49,760
No rigor.
Blood's still pooling.
457
00:23:51,554 --> 00:23:53,973
This is Richard Weiss,
one of the company executives.
458
00:23:53,973 --> 00:23:56,017
He discovered the body.
459
00:23:57,768 --> 00:23:59,604
Let's take a walk, Mr. Weiss.
460
00:23:59,604 --> 00:24:02,106
We were both working late.
461
00:24:02,106 --> 00:24:04,567
About 9:00 I cut out
to grab some dinner.
462
00:24:04,567 --> 00:24:08,196
I came back to pick up some
papers and saw the light on.
463
00:24:08,196 --> 00:24:10,573
Went in to say good night,
and there he was,
464
00:24:10,573 --> 00:24:12,825
just lying there,
blood everywhere.
465
00:24:12,825 --> 00:24:15,328
- About what time was that?
- 10:30, 11:00.
466
00:24:15,328 --> 00:24:18,831
- You see anyone else?
- Not a soul.
467
00:24:19,957 --> 00:24:23,252
You have any idea
who might have done this?
468
00:24:23,252 --> 00:24:25,630
Evan's style put off a lot of people,
469
00:24:25,630 --> 00:24:29,592
but no one would do
something like this.
470
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,552
Unless...
471
00:24:31,761 --> 00:24:33,054
Unless what?
472
00:24:33,054 --> 00:24:35,431
Things were pretty tense
between him and his father-in-law.
473
00:24:35,431 --> 00:24:36,807
- Charles Southerland?
- Yeah.
474
00:24:36,807 --> 00:24:39,477
Ever since Evan took the company public,
the old man's been on a tear,
475
00:24:39,477 --> 00:24:42,772
claiming Evan stole the business
he built from the ground up.
476
00:24:42,772 --> 00:24:46,150
The molestation charges
just seemed to add fuel to the fire.
477
00:24:46,150 --> 00:24:48,027
Get him hot enough to do this?
478
00:24:48,027 --> 00:24:48,903
I don't know.
479
00:24:48,903 --> 00:24:51,614
But this afternoon,
he stormed into Evan's office
480
00:24:51,614 --> 00:24:54,700
- and went into a tirade.
- About what?
481
00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:56,827
He called Evan a rapist.
482
00:24:56,827 --> 00:24:58,120
Told him he wasn't going to
get away with it,
483
00:24:58,120 --> 00:24:59,497
no matter what the courts said.
484
00:24:59,497 --> 00:25:00,706
How'd Evan react?
485
00:25:00,706 --> 00:25:02,416
He tried to reason with him.
486
00:25:02,416 --> 00:25:04,293
The old man wouldn't listen.
487
00:25:04,293 --> 00:25:08,547
They'd have come to blows if security
hadn't escorted the old guy out.
488
00:25:10,132 --> 00:25:13,594
Ornithoptera priamus poseidon.
489
00:25:13,594 --> 00:25:16,973
Cairns Birdwing.
It's quite a rare prize.
490
00:25:16,973 --> 00:25:20,226
You don't seem too upset
about your son-in-law's untimely death.
491
00:25:20,226 --> 00:25:23,938
If you're asking me if I'm glad
he's dead, the answer is yes.
492
00:25:23,938 --> 00:25:26,899
If you're asking me if I killed him,
the answer is no.
493
00:25:26,899 --> 00:25:29,568
Although, I'd like to buy
the fellow who did it a drink.
494
00:25:29,568 --> 00:25:31,112
Well, it must have stuck in your craw
495
00:25:31,112 --> 00:25:33,155
when the charges against
your son-in-law were dropped.
496
00:25:33,155 --> 00:25:36,659
Yes. But things have a way
of working out, don't they?
497
00:25:36,659 --> 00:25:38,786
After dinner, where did you
and your daughter go?
498
00:25:38,786 --> 00:25:40,788
I took her home,
499
00:25:40,788 --> 00:25:43,040
came back here,
500
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,918
poured myself a Scotch,
and went to bed.
501
00:25:45,918 --> 00:25:48,337
Evan was killed by a .32 slug.
502
00:25:48,337 --> 00:25:51,590
You own a.32 caliber
Derringer, don't you?
503
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:53,300
Yes.
504
00:25:53,551 --> 00:25:57,221
An LM5 Simmerling
with a scrimshaw handle.
505
00:25:57,221 --> 00:26:00,349
- Legally registered.
- We'd like to see it.
506
00:26:01,142 --> 00:26:02,768
Right this way.
507
00:26:03,936 --> 00:26:06,731
I also have an authentic
Revolutionary musket,
508
00:26:06,731 --> 00:26:11,235
a pearl-handled Colt .45
and a World War I Luger.
509
00:26:11,527 --> 00:26:14,655
Keep them all in top firing condition, too.
510
00:26:17,616 --> 00:26:19,744
There a problem, Mr. Southerland?
511
00:26:19,744 --> 00:26:21,287
It's gone.
512
00:26:21,287 --> 00:26:22,747
Gone?
513
00:26:22,747 --> 00:26:24,915
My gun.
It's supposed to be in here.
514
00:26:24,915 --> 00:26:27,209
You'd better come with us.
515
00:26:29,545 --> 00:26:31,756
Evan stole your company.
516
00:26:31,756 --> 00:26:33,215
He molested your grandchildren.
517
00:26:33,215 --> 00:26:35,509
We can certainly understand
why you'd want justice.
518
00:26:35,509 --> 00:26:37,511
You've got it all figured out,
don't you?
519
00:26:37,511 --> 00:26:40,181
Company executives heard you arguing
just a few hours before.
520
00:26:40,181 --> 00:26:42,600
And now your.32 caliber
Derringer's missing.
521
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,685
You care to explain that?
522
00:26:48,814 --> 00:26:50,983
Think of your family.
523
00:26:51,692 --> 00:26:55,905
After all they've been through, isn't
it time just to put an end to all of this?
524
00:26:55,905 --> 00:27:00,868
Don't presume to tell me
about my family, Detective.
525
00:27:01,744 --> 00:27:02,953
How does he look?
526
00:27:02,953 --> 00:27:05,623
Opportunity, motive,
access to a weapon,
527
00:27:05,623 --> 00:27:07,500
but I don't know.
528
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,127
What? / The guy seemed genuinely
surprised that his gun was missing.
529
00:27:10,127 --> 00:27:11,879
I mean, you'd think that if he's
going to murder somebody,
530
00:27:11,879 --> 00:27:15,257
he'd at least concoct a plausible
explanation for its disappearance.
531
00:27:15,257 --> 00:27:16,967
Yeah, and sometimes they just freeze
532
00:27:16,967 --> 00:27:19,345
when they get caught
with their hand in the cookie jar.
533
00:27:19,345 --> 00:27:22,806
A CSU conducted another canvass.
534
00:27:22,806 --> 00:27:27,436
Located a .32 caliber
Simmerling Derringer in a sewer drain
535
00:27:27,436 --> 00:27:30,105
in the parking structure
of Southerland's office building.
536
00:27:30,105 --> 00:27:32,566
They're running a check now.
537
00:27:38,155 --> 00:27:39,782
Serial number matches.
538
00:27:39,782 --> 00:27:41,992
This is definitely Southerland's.
539
00:27:43,035 --> 00:27:46,997
Now, the bullet removed
from Ramsey's body was on the left.
540
00:27:48,165 --> 00:27:51,585
The bullet from the water tank
will be on your right.
541
00:27:52,378 --> 00:27:54,380
See the lands and grooves?
542
00:27:54,380 --> 00:27:57,007
Here and here.
543
00:27:57,716 --> 00:28:00,344
Identical twins. / You've found
your murder weapon.
544
00:28:00,344 --> 00:28:01,470
Any prints?
545
00:28:01,470 --> 00:28:03,597
The water in the gutter
degraded the surface of the gun,
546
00:28:03,597 --> 00:28:05,182
making it impossible to lift any.
547
00:28:05,182 --> 00:28:08,602
However, we got a couple of clean ones
from the shell casings.
548
00:28:08,602 --> 00:28:12,564
But unfortunately, Miguel,
they don't match Southerland's prints.
549
00:28:12,564 --> 00:28:15,734
You got your weapon,
not your killer.
550
00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:18,445
Where were you last night?
551
00:28:18,445 --> 00:28:21,782
I had dinner with my father,
then came right home.
552
00:28:21,782 --> 00:28:24,743
- What time did you get in?
- Around 9:00.
553
00:28:24,743 --> 00:28:26,787
And who else was here?
554
00:28:26,787 --> 00:28:29,790
My daughters
and my housekeeper.
555
00:28:29,790 --> 00:28:32,167
- We all went to bed.
- Mom.
556
00:28:33,377 --> 00:28:34,920
What are they doing here?
557
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,424
We were just talking to her
about last night.
558
00:28:39,967 --> 00:28:43,470
I'm very sorry for your loss,
but we have to ask you a few questions.
559
00:28:43,470 --> 00:28:44,430
Like what?
560
00:28:44,430 --> 00:28:47,057
Where were you between
the hours of 7:00 and 11:00?
561
00:28:47,057 --> 00:28:50,102
I picked Jody up from her dance class
and I brought her back here.
562
00:28:50,102 --> 00:28:53,856
- Can anyone corroborate that?
- I can.
563
00:28:53,856 --> 00:28:55,024
She stayed the night.
564
00:28:55,024 --> 00:28:58,736
After what happened in court,
I wanted all my children here with me.
565
00:28:58,736 --> 00:29:01,155
You had no other contact
with your father?
566
00:29:01,155 --> 00:29:02,990
I cut my father out of my life.
567
00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:07,244
Megan, honey, could you check
on your sisters for me?
568
00:29:09,413 --> 00:29:11,331
Is there a point to these questions?
569
00:29:11,331 --> 00:29:14,334
Your daughter planted evidence
to incriminate him.
570
00:29:14,334 --> 00:29:16,462
And he raped her until she was 14.
571
00:29:16,462 --> 00:29:18,297
Maybe that evens things out.
572
00:29:18,297 --> 00:29:20,883
- What about you?
- What about me?
573
00:29:20,883 --> 00:29:22,676
He molested your daughters.
574
00:29:22,676 --> 00:29:25,596
His death gives you
a permanent order of protection.
575
00:29:25,596 --> 00:29:28,807
He should burn in hell for
what he did to my daughters,
576
00:29:28,807 --> 00:29:30,976
but I didn't kill him.
577
00:29:30,976 --> 00:29:34,396
Now, if you'll excuse me,
my children need me.
578
00:29:34,396 --> 00:29:36,607
Marina will see you out.
579
00:29:38,776 --> 00:29:41,028
The only people who had access
to Charles' gun collection
580
00:29:41,028 --> 00:29:42,362
were his immediate family.
581
00:29:42,362 --> 00:29:45,365
Rebecca claims all the kids
were tucked into bed by 9:00.
582
00:29:45,365 --> 00:29:48,619
How convenient. A family of suspects
giving each other an airtight alibi.
583
00:29:48,619 --> 00:29:50,120
- Except Megan's.
- What you got?
584
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,121
Phone records.
585
00:29:51,121 --> 00:29:53,415
Someone was placing phone calls
to her father's office
586
00:29:53,415 --> 00:29:55,709
from her car phone
between 9:30 and 10:00.
587
00:29:55,709 --> 00:29:57,503
She was supposed to be fast asleep.
588
00:29:57,503 --> 00:30:00,881
Sounds like Megan's airtight alibi
just sprung a leak.
589
00:30:03,216 --> 00:30:05,135
You've been the Ramsey's
housekeeper for how long?
590
00:30:05,135 --> 00:30:06,136
Ten years.
591
00:30:06,136 --> 00:30:08,972
What time did the lady of the house
get in last Tuesday night?
592
00:30:08,972 --> 00:30:11,433
- About 9:00.
- You sure?
593
00:30:11,433 --> 00:30:13,226
Tuesdays is The New Detectives
on cable.
594
00:30:13,226 --> 00:30:15,395
I was watching when
Mrs. Ramsey came home.
595
00:30:15,395 --> 00:30:17,272
She took a sleeping pill
and went to bed.
596
00:30:17,272 --> 00:30:19,691
What about the girls?
What time did they come home?
597
00:30:19,691 --> 00:30:20,984
Same time.
598
00:30:20,984 --> 00:30:23,945
But later they went out.
599
00:30:24,195 --> 00:30:25,947
What time did they get back?
600
00:30:25,947 --> 00:30:29,326
Charlie Rose was on by then,
so it must have been after 11:00.
601
00:30:29,326 --> 00:30:31,161
They say anything?
602
00:30:31,161 --> 00:30:32,454
No.
603
00:30:32,454 --> 00:30:35,999
They just went up to Jody's room
and closed the door.
604
00:30:37,125 --> 00:30:39,711
And?
605
00:30:40,128 --> 00:30:43,423
And I heard lots of crying.
606
00:30:44,758 --> 00:30:46,384
Mrs. Ramsey...
607
00:30:47,302 --> 00:30:49,387
We're meeting our priest.
Can't this wait?
608
00:30:49,387 --> 00:30:51,306
Sorry, but it can't.
609
00:30:51,306 --> 00:30:53,933
I've already told you
everything I know.
610
00:30:53,933 --> 00:30:56,936
Actually, we're here
to speak with Jody. / Me?
611
00:30:56,936 --> 00:30:59,439
Your housekeeper said you left the house
after your mother went to bed.
612
00:30:59,439 --> 00:31:01,149
Well, she's mistaken.
613
00:31:01,149 --> 00:31:04,277
The girls went to bed when I did.
Tell them, Jody.
614
00:31:04,277 --> 00:31:05,779
You've already lied to your mother.
615
00:31:05,779 --> 00:31:09,324
Don't make it any harder
on yourself by lying now.
616
00:31:14,162 --> 00:31:16,498
Daddy had been calling Megan.
617
00:31:16,498 --> 00:31:18,208
She wanted him to admit
what he'd done,
618
00:31:18,208 --> 00:31:20,335
but he said he wouldn't do it
over the phone.
619
00:31:20,335 --> 00:31:22,337
So you drove to his office.
620
00:31:22,337 --> 00:31:23,838
What happened
when you got there?
621
00:31:23,838 --> 00:31:25,382
Megan went inside.
622
00:31:25,382 --> 00:31:26,466
What about you?
623
00:31:26,466 --> 00:31:28,301
She told me to wait in the car.
624
00:31:28,301 --> 00:31:29,761
And then what?
625
00:31:29,761 --> 00:31:32,514
A few minutes later,
she came back out and we left.
626
00:31:32,514 --> 00:31:34,849
She say anything
about what happened?
627
00:31:34,849 --> 00:31:37,560
No, she didn't want to
talk about it.
628
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,562
We just got in the car
and drove home.
629
00:31:39,562 --> 00:31:42,023
Mom was asleep,
so we went to bed.
630
00:31:42,023 --> 00:31:44,401
Why didn't you tell me?
631
00:31:44,401 --> 00:31:46,986
We knew you were mad at us
for seeing him,
632
00:31:46,986 --> 00:31:49,447
so we lied.
633
00:31:53,159 --> 00:31:54,702
Okay, let's go over that one more time.
634
00:31:54,702 --> 00:31:56,079
I told you, I don't remember.
635
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:59,124
Megan, you're not doing
yourself any favors here.
636
00:31:59,124 --> 00:32:01,918
We have your phone records.
We know that you went to see him.
637
00:32:01,918 --> 00:32:04,337
- Just tell us what happened.
- I would tell you if I could.
638
00:32:04,337 --> 00:32:06,422
Well, why can't you?
639
00:32:06,798 --> 00:32:08,842
Sometimes I black out.
640
00:32:08,842 --> 00:32:10,760
Oh, come on, Megan. You're gonna
have to do better than that.
641
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,012
You took your grandfather's pistol
and you shot your father.
642
00:32:13,012 --> 00:32:14,639
- No, I couldn't have.
- Did he threaten you?
643
00:32:14,639 --> 00:32:16,766
I don't remember.
644
00:32:16,766 --> 00:32:19,811
I didn't remember I was raped
until a few months ago.
645
00:32:19,811 --> 00:32:21,479
Ask my therapist.
646
00:32:21,479 --> 00:32:24,816
She said I couldn't get away from him,
so I pushed out the memory.
647
00:32:24,816 --> 00:32:28,820
I wish it had stayed away,
because now I can't forget it.
648
00:32:29,737 --> 00:32:33,408
I am no longer at liberty
to discuss Megan's treatment.
649
00:32:33,408 --> 00:32:35,118
But you talked to us before.
650
00:32:35,118 --> 00:32:38,121
Megan has decided
not to waive privilege.
651
00:32:38,121 --> 00:32:41,040
Well, she's a suspect
in her father's murder.
652
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,500
If you thought she was
going to commit a crime,
653
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:45,044
you're legally obligated to report it.
654
00:32:45,044 --> 00:32:49,340
I have been a therapist
for 15 years, Detective.
655
00:32:49,340 --> 00:32:52,093
I don't need a lecture in ethics.
656
00:32:52,093 --> 00:32:56,055
Okay, can you answer some general
questions about your treatment techniques?
657
00:32:56,055 --> 00:33:00,101
I'll try. / How exactly do you
recover buried memories?
658
00:33:00,101 --> 00:33:03,730
With intense therapy.
659
00:33:05,189 --> 00:33:08,026
Can you be more specific?
660
00:33:08,568 --> 00:33:14,991
Generally, the process begins
by recovering a flashback.
661
00:33:14,991 --> 00:33:19,120
A snapshot in time.
662
00:33:19,329 --> 00:33:23,750
And slowly, more and more
snapshots appear
663
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:27,587
until the collage becomes
a complete picture.
664
00:33:27,587 --> 00:33:31,090
Once the patient faces
what happened to her,
665
00:33:31,090 --> 00:33:32,842
she can begin to heal.
666
00:33:32,842 --> 00:33:35,803
How do you know if the patient's
telling the truth?
667
00:33:35,803 --> 00:33:41,100
I engage a physician
to administer sodium amytal.
668
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:43,186
Truth serum.
669
00:33:45,104 --> 00:33:49,359
A tranquilizer that reduces resistance
670
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:53,363
and enables the therapist
to probe for inconsistencies
671
00:33:53,363 --> 00:33:55,406
and verify the memories.
672
00:33:55,406 --> 00:34:01,537
Okay, but what if you overlook
your patient's inconsistencies?
673
00:34:01,537 --> 00:34:06,084
I don't overlook them,
Detective, I explore them.
674
00:34:06,084 --> 00:34:08,544
I don't shy away
from the tough cases,
675
00:34:08,544 --> 00:34:11,964
and I have an exemplary
record of success
676
00:34:11,964 --> 00:34:13,800
where others have failed.
677
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,469
Is Megan a success story?
678
00:34:18,096 --> 00:34:20,640
I think this conversation
has gone on long enough.
679
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,936
If you'll excuse me, my next
appointment is waiting.
680
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:30,400
Well, technically it's called
the false memory syndrome,
681
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,945
but I call it the power of
suggestion run amuck.
682
00:34:33,945 --> 00:34:36,823
She said that sodium amytal
verifies memories.
683
00:34:36,823 --> 00:34:38,741
More like creates them.
684
00:34:38,741 --> 00:34:41,786
That's why it's fallen out of
favor with most reputable therapists,
685
00:34:41,786 --> 00:34:45,373
but some die-hard advocates
still administer it.
686
00:34:45,373 --> 00:34:46,457
How does it work?
687
00:34:46,457 --> 00:34:49,377
It places the patient
in a semi-hypnotic state,
688
00:34:49,377 --> 00:34:52,130
making them extremely
vulnerable to manipulation.
689
00:34:52,130 --> 00:34:55,133
This is especially true
if they're already in a fragile state.
690
00:34:55,133 --> 00:34:56,175
Like Megan.
691
00:34:56,175 --> 00:34:59,470
Right. She fits the profile.
692
00:34:59,762 --> 00:35:03,349
I remember reading this case in which
a young woman had convinced the police
693
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:06,102
to dig up a park in search
of bodies of young boys
694
00:35:06,102 --> 00:35:07,770
that she claimed her father
had buried there
695
00:35:07,770 --> 00:35:09,730
after raping and torturing them.
696
00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:12,150
The fact that no such bodies
were ever found did not deter her
697
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:13,818
from believing
that they were still there.
698
00:35:13,818 --> 00:35:16,779
And then, later, it was revealed that
the whole thing was planted in her head
699
00:35:16,779 --> 00:35:19,532
during a sodium amytal
interview by her therapist.
700
00:35:19,532 --> 00:35:21,451
So there's a good chance
that Megan was never raped.
701
00:35:21,451 --> 00:35:23,327
More than a chance.
702
00:35:24,829 --> 00:35:26,622
These are Megan's medical records.
703
00:35:26,622 --> 00:35:31,460
We got a subpoena when she canceled
her physical exam for the third time.
704
00:35:32,170 --> 00:35:33,963
An intact hymen.
705
00:35:33,963 --> 00:35:35,965
She's a virgin.
706
00:35:38,426 --> 00:35:40,344
So Megan's memories
of childhood rape...
707
00:35:40,344 --> 00:35:42,805
Are just figments of her
therapist's imagination.
708
00:35:42,805 --> 00:35:46,142
And Evan Ramsey was accused
on spectral evidence.
709
00:35:46,142 --> 00:35:48,477
And we all had a hand in it.
710
00:35:48,477 --> 00:35:50,730
However, the forensics
aren't spectral.
711
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:53,274
The lab matched the prints
on the shell casings to Megan's.
712
00:35:53,274 --> 00:35:54,609
What about her state of mind?
713
00:35:54,609 --> 00:35:56,485
Megan believes that she was raped,
714
00:35:56,485 --> 00:35:58,029
but none of this would have happened
715
00:35:58,029 --> 00:36:00,823
if that therapist hadn't filled her mind
with a lot of garbage.
716
00:36:00,823 --> 00:36:03,492
The therapist didn't
pull the trigger. Megan did.
717
00:36:03,492 --> 00:36:06,370
Look, she planted those photographs
and she lied about it.
718
00:36:06,370 --> 00:36:08,748
That shows a clear
and logical state of mind.
719
00:36:08,748 --> 00:36:10,333
Her fingerprints
are on the shell casings,
720
00:36:10,333 --> 00:36:12,627
and her own sister places her
at the scene of the crime.
721
00:36:12,627 --> 00:36:14,420
Jody's not going to want to testify.
722
00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:15,588
Well, I'm issuing a subpoena.
723
00:36:15,588 --> 00:36:18,215
She'll testify
or she'll be in contempt.
724
00:36:18,799 --> 00:36:21,636
Grand Jury Room 12
Friday, February 23
725
00:36:21,636 --> 00:36:24,764
Dad called Megan after
the charges were dropped.
726
00:36:24,764 --> 00:36:29,143
He said he wanted to see her,
to be a family again.
727
00:36:29,685 --> 00:36:33,648
She wanted to put an end to it,
but she was scared.
728
00:36:33,648 --> 00:36:36,484
Is that why she asked
you to come along?
729
00:36:36,484 --> 00:36:38,361
Yes.
730
00:36:39,195 --> 00:36:41,572
Where did you go?
731
00:36:47,536 --> 00:36:49,330
Jody?
732
00:36:50,122 --> 00:36:53,042
We drove to my dad's office building.
733
00:36:53,042 --> 00:36:56,170
What happened
when you got there?
734
00:36:56,504 --> 00:37:00,049
Megan got out of the car
and went inside.
735
00:37:00,049 --> 00:37:02,426
Where were you?
736
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,726
I know this is really hard for you,
but I need you to answer the question.
737
00:37:16,691 --> 00:37:19,443
She didn't do it.
738
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:21,320
Jody...
739
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,114
It was me.
740
00:37:23,114 --> 00:37:25,950
I didn't mean for it to happen.
741
00:37:25,950 --> 00:37:28,828
The gun just went off.
742
00:37:31,580 --> 00:37:34,667
I didn't mean to kill him.
743
00:37:37,086 --> 00:37:39,338
I'm sorry.
744
00:37:43,342 --> 00:37:45,720
I'm sorry.
745
00:37:46,303 --> 00:37:48,139
Prosecuting 101, Counselor.
746
00:37:48,139 --> 00:37:51,434
Don't rely on potential defendants
to make your case to the grand jury.
747
00:37:51,434 --> 00:37:53,185
Jody wasn't a defendant,
she was a witness,
748
00:37:53,185 --> 00:37:55,521
and without her testimony
we couldn't put Megan at the crime scene.
749
00:37:55,521 --> 00:37:58,149
Oh, it never occurred to you
she might confess to protect her sister?
750
00:37:58,149 --> 00:37:59,608
We questioned her
a number of times.
751
00:37:59,608 --> 00:38:01,026
Her story never changed.
752
00:38:01,026 --> 00:38:04,196
Until you gave her immunity,
in exchange for her testimony.
753
00:38:04,196 --> 00:38:06,449
Her immunity doesn't extend
to cover perjury.
754
00:38:06,449 --> 00:38:08,784
Perjury? What if she's telling the truth?
755
00:38:08,784 --> 00:38:11,454
You just freed a 15-year-old killer.
756
00:38:11,454 --> 00:38:14,123
We had every reason to believe
that Megan Ramsey killed her father.
757
00:38:14,123 --> 00:38:15,666
I'm still not convinced she didn't.
758
00:38:15,666 --> 00:38:18,002
You're gonna have a hard time
convincing a jury
759
00:38:18,002 --> 00:38:21,422
if your star witness says she's the one
who pulled the trigger.
760
00:38:21,422 --> 00:38:23,132
I'm on my honeymoon here, Ms. Cabot,
761
00:38:23,132 --> 00:38:26,886
so I can still blame my predecessor
for all the screw-ups in this division.
762
00:38:26,886 --> 00:38:29,930
Unfortunately, I told the D.A.
763
00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:31,974
I supported your strategy.
764
00:38:31,974 --> 00:38:34,643
So do us both a favor, huh?
765
00:38:34,894 --> 00:38:36,979
Fix this mess.
766
00:38:43,611 --> 00:38:47,364
I'm sure your lawyer already
told you you have immunity.
767
00:38:48,949 --> 00:38:51,744
That means I cannot prosecute you
for anything you say to me now,
768
00:38:51,744 --> 00:38:53,579
unless you lie to me.
769
00:38:53,579 --> 00:38:56,373
Then all bets are off,
you understand?
770
00:38:56,749 --> 00:38:58,417
Okay.
771
00:38:58,417 --> 00:39:00,628
Now...
772
00:39:01,462 --> 00:39:05,633
Just tell me the truth.
What happened?
773
00:39:06,258 --> 00:39:10,221
Megan was too afraid
to go in alone.
774
00:39:10,888 --> 00:39:15,559
By the time we got to his office door,
she was shaking.
775
00:39:17,019 --> 00:39:19,980
When he got up from his desk,
she started screaming.
776
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:21,523
He grabbed her
and he shook her
777
00:39:21,523 --> 00:39:24,151
and he told her to be quiet.
778
00:39:25,069 --> 00:39:28,239
She dropped her purse
779
00:39:29,198 --> 00:39:31,951
and I saw the gun.
780
00:39:32,368 --> 00:39:35,120
I picked it up
781
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,166
and I told him to let her go,
but he wouldn't listen.
782
00:39:39,875 --> 00:39:43,045
He just kept yelling and yelling,
783
00:39:43,045 --> 00:39:45,798
and I hollered, "Stop!"
784
00:39:47,174 --> 00:39:50,678
He just stared at me.
785
00:39:50,970 --> 00:39:54,890
Then he reached for the gun.
786
00:39:56,308 --> 00:39:59,436
It just went off.
787
00:40:00,521 --> 00:40:04,108
He looked so surprised.
788
00:40:07,987 --> 00:40:10,489
It was an accident.
789
00:40:10,489 --> 00:40:13,575
I loved my daddy.
790
00:40:16,662 --> 00:40:20,541
I just wanted him
to stop hurting Megan.
791
00:40:27,381 --> 00:40:30,592
How do I make sense of this?
792
00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:34,179
My husband is dead,
793
00:40:34,179 --> 00:40:37,683
killed by my own child's hand
794
00:40:37,683 --> 00:40:42,229
and my willingness to believe
he was a monster.
795
00:40:43,647 --> 00:40:47,609
How awful it must have been
for my husband
796
00:40:47,609 --> 00:40:53,031
to know that the people
he loved most had turned on him.
797
00:40:55,868 --> 00:40:59,663
We all share that burden,
Mrs. Ramsey.
798
00:41:00,456 --> 00:41:03,500
Jody will not be prosecuted.
799
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:08,380
Not by the courts,
only by her own conscience.
800
00:41:08,380 --> 00:41:12,134
But what about that woman
who treated my daughter with lies?
801
00:41:12,134 --> 00:41:15,471
How many more families
will she destroy?
802
00:41:15,846 --> 00:41:19,558
Megan went to her seeking help.
803
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:26,857
The patient has exhibited signs
of acute and...
804
00:41:26,857 --> 00:41:28,567
Dr. Wharton.
805
00:41:28,859 --> 00:41:30,944
I'm in the middle of something.
806
00:41:30,944 --> 00:41:32,529
If you'd like to make an appointment...
807
00:41:32,529 --> 00:41:34,031
Not today.
808
00:41:34,031 --> 00:41:34,990
What is this?
809
00:41:34,990 --> 00:41:36,366
A subpoena for the medical records
810
00:41:36,366 --> 00:41:40,287
pertaining to the treatment of
Megan, Jody and Lily Ramsey.
811
00:41:40,287 --> 00:41:42,623
Those records are confidential!
812
00:41:42,623 --> 00:41:44,374
We'll take extra special care of them.
813
00:41:44,374 --> 00:41:47,085
You'll also find a warrant
for your arrest.
814
00:41:47,085 --> 00:41:48,170
On what charge?
815
00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:50,339
Reckless endangerment
in the death of Evan Ramsey.
816
00:41:50,339 --> 00:41:52,716
That's outrageous. Meg...
817
00:41:52,716 --> 00:41:55,010
Megan is a very sick woman.
818
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:57,638
That you made even sicker
with your sodium amytal sessions.
819
00:41:57,638 --> 00:41:59,848
Oh, you're hardly qualified
to pass judgment.
820
00:41:59,848 --> 00:42:01,850
Maybe not, but Megan's
new therapist is,
821
00:42:01,850 --> 00:42:05,145
and he's willing to testify that
your sessions amounted to malpractice.
822
00:42:05,145 --> 00:42:06,146
Based on what?
823
00:42:06,146 --> 00:42:08,398
Megan recanted her accusations.
824
00:42:08,398 --> 00:42:10,651
He said that you
manipulated her memory.
825
00:42:10,651 --> 00:42:13,654
Why, the family is in denial.
826
00:42:13,654 --> 00:42:16,448
They're just looking for a scapegoat.
827
00:42:16,448 --> 00:42:17,950
They're looking for justice.
828
00:42:17,950 --> 00:42:19,868
The Ramseys filed suit this morning.
829
00:42:19,868 --> 00:42:23,914
The State Board has suspended
your license pending a full investigation.
830
00:42:23,914 --> 00:42:27,584
All around, I'd say this is a day
that you'll never forget.
9999
00:00:0,500 --> 00:00:2,00
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