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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,260 In 2014 the Islamic State burst onto the world stage. 2 00:00:14,260 --> 00:00:16,140 A track record of brutality, 3 00:00:16,140 --> 00:00:18,801 executions, mass beheadings. 4 00:00:20,050 --> 00:00:24,380 I loved America and I felt a debt to America 5 00:00:24,380 --> 00:00:26,536 and I hadn't paid her back. 6 00:00:27,369 --> 00:00:30,390 I get a phone call and this guy said, "Is this is Michael? 7 00:00:30,390 --> 00:00:31,960 You want to join the YPG? 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,253 Are you ready to fight? 9 00:00:33,253 --> 00:00:34,330 Are you willing to die?" 10 00:00:34,330 --> 00:00:36,390 I said, "Yes." 11 00:00:36,390 --> 00:00:38,980 I pray, I say, "Lord, let your will be done in this area, 12 00:00:38,980 --> 00:00:40,480 but I really wanna kill them." 13 00:00:41,626 --> 00:00:42,695 And then it's like boom! 14 00:00:43,528 --> 00:00:44,936 Then it's fight time. 15 00:00:45,917 --> 00:00:47,037 And it was just bedlam. 16 00:00:47,037 --> 00:00:49,233 Absolute bedlam. 17 00:00:50,620 --> 00:00:53,440 Our nostrils were full of the smell of the dead. 18 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,946 Snipers were everywhere. 19 00:00:54,946 --> 00:00:57,300 And they either run, 20 00:00:57,300 --> 00:01:00,020 or they ended up dead. 21 00:01:00,020 --> 00:01:05,020 So here you see that within this man is some real rage. 22 00:01:06,410 --> 00:01:10,810 But some people think that he was not sincere 23 00:01:10,810 --> 00:01:12,414 in what he was doing. 24 00:01:13,900 --> 00:01:16,350 Like who's this old British dude. 25 00:01:16,350 --> 00:01:18,860 Oh, he's a movie star coming here for publicity. 26 00:01:18,860 --> 00:01:20,510 A successful Hollywood actor, 27 00:01:20,510 --> 00:01:23,490 flying in for six months and then bug out the other way. 28 00:01:23,490 --> 00:01:26,990 This actor who is becoming a militia fighter. 29 00:01:26,990 --> 00:01:28,300 I mean, come on. 30 00:01:28,300 --> 00:01:29,593 What would you say to that? 31 00:01:29,593 --> 00:01:30,970 Turn it off. 32 00:01:30,970 --> 00:01:35,970 So, we had doubts about every bit of Michael's story. 33 00:01:43,218 --> 00:01:44,385 Heval! 34 00:01:48,416 --> 00:01:49,717 And set. 35 00:01:49,717 --> 00:01:51,260 Are you ready? 36 00:01:51,260 --> 00:01:53,300 My name is Michael Enright. 37 00:01:53,300 --> 00:01:54,940 I'm a professional actor. 38 00:01:54,940 --> 00:01:56,613 Captain, a ship's been spotted. 39 00:01:57,620 --> 00:02:00,870 I was in "Pirates of the Caribbean" with Orlando Bloom. 40 00:02:00,870 --> 00:02:04,990 I worked with Bradley Cooper, John Travolta, Robin Williams. 41 00:02:04,990 --> 00:02:08,394 I also did "Knight and Day" with Tom Cruise. 42 00:02:08,394 --> 00:02:09,375 Diesel hydraulic. 43 00:02:09,375 --> 00:02:10,650 It's a diesel hydraulic. 44 00:02:10,650 --> 00:02:15,327 I did "JAG," "Cold Case," "CSI," "Agents of Shield." 45 00:02:16,430 --> 00:02:19,510 I loved acting, I'd been acting since I was a little boy. 46 00:02:19,510 --> 00:02:21,380 Ever since when I got on a TV show 47 00:02:21,380 --> 00:02:23,660 called "Get it Together" in Manchester. 48 00:02:23,660 --> 00:02:26,970 Even before that, I can remember we were doing school plays 49 00:02:26,970 --> 00:02:29,790 and I'd be cracking jokes and people would laugh 50 00:02:29,790 --> 00:02:31,320 their butts off. 51 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:32,930 And I liked that reaction. 52 00:02:32,930 --> 00:02:36,340 You know, like, oh, all right. 53 00:02:36,340 --> 00:02:38,150 And then another thing was we had a lot of 54 00:02:38,150 --> 00:02:41,380 American television and watching that I thought, 55 00:02:41,380 --> 00:02:44,620 ooh, I wanna go there. 56 00:02:44,620 --> 00:02:47,970 Everything about America was just so wow to me. 57 00:02:47,970 --> 00:02:52,330 'Cause it was exciting and fun and crazy. 58 00:02:52,330 --> 00:02:55,620 It was just everything I felt inside of me. 59 00:02:55,620 --> 00:02:57,760 And I couldn't wait to get there. 60 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,150 And I made it, I couldn't believe I had done it. 61 00:03:01,150 --> 00:03:03,433 I was, oh, loved it. 62 00:03:13,668 --> 00:03:15,168 Holy shit! 63 00:03:16,628 --> 00:03:17,545 Oh, my God. 64 00:03:18,490 --> 00:03:21,330 I remember waking up on 9/11 65 00:03:21,330 --> 00:03:24,060 and Howard Stern came on the radio. 66 00:03:24,060 --> 00:03:28,610 A plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. 67 00:03:28,610 --> 00:03:30,275 You're kidding? 68 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:36,350 A second plane might have crashed 69 00:03:36,350 --> 00:03:38,100 and the second building is on fire. 70 00:03:39,997 --> 00:03:44,997 And when I heard him say that I jumped up, ran to the TV 71 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:46,363 and there it was. 72 00:03:52,580 --> 00:03:53,930 What came down? It crashed! 73 00:03:53,930 --> 00:03:55,930 The other Trade Center's down, it's down. 74 00:03:55,930 --> 00:03:56,763 It's down. 75 00:04:00,300 --> 00:04:02,630 I remember shortly after that, I just cried. 76 00:04:02,630 --> 00:04:04,970 Every day I was just crying. 77 00:04:04,970 --> 00:04:06,790 All these stories of all these people 78 00:04:06,790 --> 00:04:08,433 that had been butchered. 79 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,420 And then it switched from pain to anger. 80 00:04:14,420 --> 00:04:16,253 I was so angry. 81 00:04:20,150 --> 00:04:24,717 I loved America and I felt a debt to America 82 00:04:24,717 --> 00:04:26,360 and I hadn't paid her back. 83 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,730 All's I've done is sort of take. 84 00:04:28,730 --> 00:04:31,370 So I decided I was gonna sign up with the American Army 85 00:04:31,370 --> 00:04:33,350 and I'm gonna go and fight her enemies. 86 00:04:33,350 --> 00:04:35,730 I called to join up and I left a message, 87 00:04:35,730 --> 00:04:39,260 I want to go and fight in Afghanistan, call me back please. 88 00:04:39,260 --> 00:04:42,180 And they never called and so I never went. 89 00:04:42,180 --> 00:04:45,639 And that became the biggest regret of my life. 90 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,390 June, 2014, Islamic State forces 91 00:04:55,390 --> 00:04:58,060 celebrating after astonishing the world. 92 00:04:58,060 --> 00:05:01,120 Sweeping from Syria through Northern Iraq to Mosul. 93 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,250 The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, 94 00:05:03,250 --> 00:05:05,710 also known as ISIS, has rapidly morphed 95 00:05:05,710 --> 00:05:08,860 into the world's most dangerous jihadist organization. 96 00:05:08,860 --> 00:05:11,500 I remember when I heard about ISIS, 97 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:14,520 it brought back all those feelings that I'd had at 9/11. 98 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,330 It all came flooding back. 99 00:05:16,330 --> 00:05:17,810 They've established themselves 100 00:05:17,810 --> 00:05:21,000 as the most recognizable terror brand in the world. 101 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,159 Al-Qaeda is almost considered moderate these days. 102 00:05:27,660 --> 00:05:31,600 In 2014, the Middle East was just ripped apart 103 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,380 by an unparalleled level of violence. 104 00:05:35,380 --> 00:05:40,080 ISIS was marching incredibly quickly through Iraq and Syria. 105 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,110 Literally in about 100 days, ISIS had conquered 106 00:05:43,110 --> 00:05:46,443 an area of territory around the size of Cuba. 107 00:05:51,620 --> 00:05:54,331 I started seeing new stories about 108 00:05:54,331 --> 00:05:59,260 this new terrorist organization called the Islamic State. 109 00:05:59,260 --> 00:06:03,950 Ethnic cleansing mass executions, beheadings, 110 00:06:03,950 --> 00:06:07,983 it was the most evil barbaric thing I had seen. 111 00:06:08,820 --> 00:06:13,670 And what made it worse for me was Jihadi John. 112 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:16,570 I'm back Obama and I'm back because of your arrogant 113 00:06:16,570 --> 00:06:18,600 foreign policy towards the Islamic State, 114 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,860 despite our serious warnings. 115 00:06:20,860 --> 00:06:24,340 It was an Englishman cutting off the head of an American, 116 00:06:24,340 --> 00:06:27,360 an innocent American with his hands tied behind his back. 117 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,780 So just as your missiles continue to strike our people, 118 00:06:30,780 --> 00:06:35,364 our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people. 119 00:06:36,197 --> 00:06:39,530 And it was antithesis of how I felt about America. 120 00:06:39,530 --> 00:06:42,030 Were so grateful to America and the American people 121 00:06:42,030 --> 00:06:45,860 for everything I'd had in that life that I've lived there. 122 00:06:45,860 --> 00:06:47,613 And he was doing that. 123 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:52,310 It just was like an onslaught. 124 00:06:52,310 --> 00:06:54,309 First they get an American and cut his head off. 125 00:06:54,309 --> 00:06:56,420 And then there's an Englishman, then the Japanese, 126 00:06:56,420 --> 00:06:59,230 and Muath, the Jordanian pilot. 127 00:06:59,230 --> 00:07:01,180 That was a very difficult one to watch. 128 00:07:02,490 --> 00:07:04,860 They poured paraffin on him, put him in a cage 129 00:07:04,860 --> 00:07:06,992 and then they lit it and it went right in 130 00:07:06,992 --> 00:07:08,742 and burned him alive. 131 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,103 And I thought, no. 132 00:07:16,780 --> 00:07:19,590 Last week, fleeing execution, rape, 133 00:07:19,590 --> 00:07:23,190 and slavery at the hands of so-called Islamic State, 134 00:07:23,190 --> 00:07:26,860 tens of thousands of Yazidis fled for their lives 135 00:07:26,860 --> 00:07:28,213 through the Syrian desert. 136 00:07:30,020 --> 00:07:32,580 And then, I heard about the Yazidis on the news. 137 00:07:32,580 --> 00:07:35,543 These people who lived in the Sengal Sinjar Mountains. 138 00:07:36,420 --> 00:07:39,580 Learned that ISIS had gone into that region 139 00:07:39,580 --> 00:07:43,774 and literally butchered all the men. 140 00:07:43,774 --> 00:07:46,220 The Islamic State believed many different things. 141 00:07:46,220 --> 00:07:50,294 They thought the Yazidis were devil worshipers. 142 00:07:50,294 --> 00:07:52,963 Believed in shooting boys and men in ditches, 143 00:07:55,230 --> 00:07:56,440 enslaving women. 144 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,690 Some girls as young as three years old, 145 00:07:58,690 --> 00:08:02,440 were sold into sexual slavery by the Islamic State. 146 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,180 They gang raped the women, they sold them in markets. 147 00:08:05,180 --> 00:08:07,250 And I would see the videos on YouTube. 148 00:08:07,250 --> 00:08:09,079 How much for the blue-eyed Yazidi? 149 00:08:23,985 --> 00:08:25,900 I think many people in the west and beyond 150 00:08:25,900 --> 00:08:28,400 were quite appalled and disgusted by this. 151 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,390 And also disgusted by what seemed to be 152 00:08:31,390 --> 00:08:34,540 the inaction of western governments. 153 00:08:34,540 --> 00:08:37,300 When the attacks against the Yazidis happened, 154 00:08:37,300 --> 00:08:39,830 there was a call for humanitarian intervention 155 00:08:39,830 --> 00:08:42,270 and this led to airdrops of supplies. 156 00:08:42,270 --> 00:08:46,020 But the United States and Britain had just spent 10 years 157 00:08:46,020 --> 00:08:47,170 in the occupation of Iraq 158 00:08:47,170 --> 00:08:49,990 and there was absolutely no interest in going back in 159 00:08:49,990 --> 00:08:52,060 and putting boots on the ground 160 00:08:52,060 --> 00:08:54,923 to fight another conflict in the region. 161 00:08:56,130 --> 00:08:59,580 Well, when I saw that stuff, all of these videos, 162 00:08:59,580 --> 00:09:03,380 it made me sick, not just what ISIS was doing, 163 00:09:03,380 --> 00:09:07,720 killing civilians, but that armies weren't clamoring 164 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,357 to go fight them. 165 00:09:11,260 --> 00:09:13,823 I remember I was like, what? 166 00:09:15,210 --> 00:09:18,670 This was so horrible, what they were doing. 167 00:09:18,670 --> 00:09:20,663 And so I wanted to hit them back. 168 00:09:21,750 --> 00:09:24,680 I mean, there's no talking to that kind of mentality. 169 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:27,460 You have to have action and they need to be stopped. 170 00:09:27,460 --> 00:09:29,920 And so I wanted to be part of that. 171 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,288 And I started making steps to go. 172 00:09:36,310 --> 00:09:38,870 When I was asked to do an in depth profile 173 00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:42,610 of Michael Enright in late 2019, 174 00:09:42,610 --> 00:09:45,283 I didn't automatically jump at the story. 175 00:09:46,380 --> 00:09:51,380 We had doubts about every bit of Michael's story, 176 00:09:51,380 --> 00:09:55,090 from day one of the story, all the way up 177 00:09:55,090 --> 00:09:56,433 to the present time. 178 00:09:58,260 --> 00:10:00,590 It sounds like something from the mind 179 00:10:00,590 --> 00:10:02,173 of a Hollywood script writer. 180 00:10:03,150 --> 00:10:05,300 But I made a couple of phone calls 181 00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:07,793 and there was really something there. 182 00:10:08,730 --> 00:10:13,730 What really grabbed my interest was the complexity 183 00:10:14,550 --> 00:10:17,140 of Michael's need to get involved 184 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,230 and risk his life for people he'd never met. 185 00:10:22,230 --> 00:10:25,866 It's what makes him an intriguing character. 186 00:10:32,590 --> 00:10:34,490 I wanted to go and fight ISIS, 187 00:10:34,490 --> 00:10:38,340 but I knew England and America were not at the time. 188 00:10:38,340 --> 00:10:42,063 So I needed to find out exactly who was on the ground. 189 00:10:44,660 --> 00:10:45,810 The Kurdish military 190 00:10:45,810 --> 00:10:48,230 has been America's most reliable partner 191 00:10:48,230 --> 00:10:49,970 in the war against ISIS. 192 00:10:49,970 --> 00:10:51,540 They've done most of the fighting 193 00:10:51,540 --> 00:10:54,109 and almost all of the dying. 194 00:10:54,109 --> 00:10:57,640 The Kurds are often described as the largest ethnic group 195 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,480 without a state of their own. 196 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:00,840 And that's probably fair. 197 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,370 I mean, right now there are about 30 odd million Kurds 198 00:11:04,370 --> 00:11:08,400 scattered across the four states, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Iran, 199 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,550 and they have no state. 200 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,080 When the struggle against Islamic State emerged in Syria, 201 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,290 this YPG emerged, they were seen as the one group 202 00:11:18,290 --> 00:11:21,523 seriously putting up a fight against Islamic State. 203 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,800 The Syrian Kurds organized themselves and became the YPG. 204 00:11:30,210 --> 00:11:31,930 And they were the men and women 205 00:11:31,930 --> 00:11:34,073 that were on the ground fighting ISIS. 206 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,130 These Kurdish freedom fighters, 207 00:11:39,130 --> 00:11:43,310 who were taking it upon themselves to fight back 208 00:11:43,310 --> 00:11:47,450 and clean their own backyard, completely outnumbered, 209 00:11:47,450 --> 00:11:51,120 outarmed, and ill-equipped. 210 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,740 The Kurdish fighting force, the YPG, 211 00:11:53,740 --> 00:11:56,820 they have been a staunch ally of the United States 212 00:11:56,820 --> 00:11:58,173 in fighting ISIS. 213 00:12:00,230 --> 00:12:01,800 And the Kurdish fighters are thought 214 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,733 to have about a hundred westerners fighting on their side. 215 00:12:05,830 --> 00:12:08,480 The YPG seem to be willing to accept anybody 216 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,640 who volunteered to come join them. 217 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,960 And I suspect that it's because the YPG 218 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,130 needed the sheer manpower involved 219 00:12:16,130 --> 00:12:18,030 in fighting against the Islamic State. 220 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:22,340 While researching Michael's story, 221 00:12:22,340 --> 00:12:26,100 we end up diving into this whole netherworld 222 00:12:26,100 --> 00:12:30,660 that I didn't really comprehend or really know existed, 223 00:12:30,660 --> 00:12:35,660 which is this large number of western volunteers 224 00:12:35,930 --> 00:12:39,290 who decide to go fight in Syria. 225 00:12:39,290 --> 00:12:42,120 I could see who were the good guys in this fight. 226 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,960 And I wanted to volunteer, put my life on the line 227 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:50,040 and fight for what I thought was the clearest distinction 228 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,683 between good and evil since the Second World War. 229 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,870 There was this perfect enemy. 230 00:12:55,870 --> 00:12:58,140 This bad guy had surfaced, 231 00:12:58,140 --> 00:13:01,090 not one real army landed to destroy them. 232 00:13:01,090 --> 00:13:03,810 The Americans and Europeans were supporting 233 00:13:03,810 --> 00:13:06,380 with air support as everybody knows. 234 00:13:06,380 --> 00:13:08,060 But as for boots on the ground, 235 00:13:08,060 --> 00:13:11,593 it was just the YPG, in Syria at least. 236 00:13:12,430 --> 00:13:15,540 And that's when I was able to start making moves 237 00:13:15,540 --> 00:13:16,823 toward going over there. 238 00:13:19,255 --> 00:13:21,470 At that point, I'd already decided I was gonna go. 239 00:13:21,470 --> 00:13:25,590 So I called a friend of mine who was British special forces 240 00:13:25,590 --> 00:13:28,373 and he was working as a contractor. 241 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:33,210 And I said, listen, I said, I wanna go. 242 00:13:33,210 --> 00:13:34,460 I wanna go and fight. 243 00:13:34,460 --> 00:13:36,913 And we had a long conversation about it. 244 00:13:38,220 --> 00:13:39,860 When Michael first came up with a question 245 00:13:39,860 --> 00:13:43,900 about entering Syria or joining the YPG, 246 00:13:43,900 --> 00:13:45,030 we were actually in a bar 247 00:13:45,030 --> 00:13:47,283 watching a Manchester City football game. 248 00:13:48,355 --> 00:13:50,210 I was worried about him for multitudes of reasons. 249 00:13:50,210 --> 00:13:53,370 You know, we were evacuating people from that region, 250 00:13:53,370 --> 00:13:54,750 not sending them up there. 251 00:13:54,750 --> 00:13:57,470 You know, this guy'd been a Hollywood the week before 252 00:13:58,346 --> 00:14:00,807 and he was not prepped for this at all. 253 00:14:02,010 --> 00:14:05,090 But he was just adamant he was gonna do it. 254 00:14:05,090 --> 00:14:08,120 He's determined, he's not going to listen to anybody. 255 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,120 He's not going to listen to reason. 256 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,220 He's not going to listen to pleading. 257 00:14:13,220 --> 00:14:17,320 Michael is this fly-by-the-seat-of-his-pants kind of person. 258 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,290 This is just somebody who acts on instinct, 259 00:14:21,290 --> 00:14:25,903 not on careful calculation and planning. 260 00:14:29,210 --> 00:14:32,860 How I helped Michael to join the YPG initially 261 00:14:32,860 --> 00:14:36,030 was basically via social media. 262 00:14:36,030 --> 00:14:40,670 I knew of groups that were becoming tools on the ground, 263 00:14:40,670 --> 00:14:43,460 The Lions of Rojava being one of them. 264 00:14:44,660 --> 00:14:46,960 This is a pretty exceptional war. 265 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,010 This is one of the first wars I'd imagine 266 00:14:50,010 --> 00:14:52,540 where the recruits of the armies 267 00:14:52,540 --> 00:14:56,330 were drawn from Facebook and other social media. 268 00:14:56,330 --> 00:14:58,680 I discovered a page for The Lions of Rojava 269 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,700 that had only just been set up by an American 270 00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:02,380 called Jordan Matson. 271 00:15:02,380 --> 00:15:05,460 He had been injured in Syria just a few weeks before. 272 00:15:05,460 --> 00:15:08,480 He called for other international volunteers to come out. 273 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,700 Lions of Rojava said, buy a one-way ticket, 274 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:14,540 fly into Northern Iraq and contact us 275 00:15:14,540 --> 00:15:15,500 once you bought your flight 276 00:15:15,500 --> 00:15:16,900 and we'll give you a contact person. 277 00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:18,450 I sold everything I had. 278 00:15:18,450 --> 00:15:20,180 I had a Porsche 911. 279 00:15:20,180 --> 00:15:22,910 I sold that to fund me going. 280 00:15:22,910 --> 00:15:24,083 I sold everything. 281 00:15:25,470 --> 00:15:27,470 I talked to a lot of Michael's friends 282 00:15:27,470 --> 00:15:29,490 and colleagues in Los Angeles, 283 00:15:29,490 --> 00:15:33,910 and to a person they were horrified 284 00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:38,370 that he was talking about going over to Syria. 285 00:15:38,370 --> 00:15:42,770 But in many ways they were not surprised. 286 00:15:42,770 --> 00:15:47,130 This is Michael Enright reacting with his heart, 287 00:15:47,130 --> 00:15:50,920 reacting with his gut, not necessarily 288 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,393 thinking everything through. 289 00:15:53,410 --> 00:15:55,530 I thought this could be a set up, 290 00:15:55,530 --> 00:15:57,424 the whole thing could be a set up. 291 00:15:57,424 --> 00:15:58,423 It could be ISIS. 292 00:16:00,190 --> 00:16:02,310 I thought to hell with it. 293 00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:04,240 I'm gonna roll the dice. 294 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,897 So I bought the flight and then I texted them, 295 00:16:06,897 --> 00:16:08,630 "Hey, how you doing, this is Michael Enright. 296 00:16:08,630 --> 00:16:10,120 You told me to buy a flight. 297 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,400 I bought the flight, can you let me know 298 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:13,617 the contact person." 299 00:16:14,460 --> 00:16:16,470 Didn't get back in touch. 300 00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:17,853 What is going on here? 301 00:16:19,210 --> 00:16:24,023 So I texted them again and I put it all in big caps, 302 00:16:25,063 --> 00:16:29,920 contact person, contact person, contact person. 303 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:31,720 I get a phone call. 304 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,000 And I'm getting on the phone like, "Hello?" 305 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,110 And this guy said, "This is Michael?" 306 00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:37,943 I said, "Yes." 307 00:16:37,943 --> 00:16:39,770 He said, "You want to join the YPG?" 308 00:16:39,770 --> 00:16:40,710 I said, "Yes." 309 00:16:40,710 --> 00:16:42,282 He said, "Are you ready to fight? 310 00:16:42,282 --> 00:16:43,330 Are you willing to die?" 311 00:16:43,330 --> 00:16:44,895 I said, "Yes." 312 00:16:46,210 --> 00:16:49,310 Based on this interchange with a person 313 00:16:49,310 --> 00:16:54,310 whose face he's never seen, Michael Enright launches himself 314 00:16:55,020 --> 00:16:56,663 into the Middle East. 315 00:16:57,570 --> 00:17:02,570 It's this mashup of recklessness and aspiration, 316 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,370 which very likely could have ended up 317 00:17:07,370 --> 00:17:10,790 with Michael Enright in an orange suit 318 00:17:10,790 --> 00:17:14,223 having his head chopped off in an ISIS video. 319 00:17:21,860 --> 00:17:25,350 I flew to Iraq and met a couple of guys at a hotel, 320 00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:27,050 a pretty germy hotel. 321 00:17:27,050 --> 00:17:29,133 And I got in a truck and went let's roll. 322 00:17:30,170 --> 00:17:32,960 That was the start of my journey with the YPG. 323 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,650 We went down to the river, to the Tigris, 324 00:17:37,650 --> 00:17:39,683 right on the border of Iraq and Syria. 325 00:17:41,973 --> 00:17:43,210 And we have to cross at night 326 00:17:43,210 --> 00:17:45,610 because we're entering the country illegally. 327 00:17:45,610 --> 00:17:47,573 And we went across in a dinghy. 328 00:17:48,410 --> 00:17:53,383 And we go straight to what's called The Academy. 329 00:17:55,410 --> 00:17:58,290 You wake up in the morning, you do exercise. 330 00:17:58,290 --> 00:17:59,153 You go for a run. 331 00:18:00,237 --> 00:18:03,050 And then you do a language lesson. 332 00:18:03,050 --> 00:18:04,730 You learn some Kurdish. 333 00:18:04,730 --> 00:18:07,570 And then you started to learn about the YPG 334 00:18:07,570 --> 00:18:11,200 and the YPJ, YPJ is the women's unit. 335 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,100 The YPG believes in equality between the sexes. 336 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:16,340 So it's a matter of if you've got the fight in you 337 00:18:16,340 --> 00:18:19,590 and in your heart, you know, that's what that's about. 338 00:18:19,590 --> 00:18:20,860 It's not a gender thing. 339 00:18:20,860 --> 00:18:23,410 Actually, you learned a lot and it was interesting. 340 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,130 At The Academy, the Kurds gave us like an understanding 341 00:18:28,130 --> 00:18:31,460 of the difference between the cultures and the groups 342 00:18:31,460 --> 00:18:33,280 and the ethnicities over there. 343 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,293 In addition to coaching us up on the weapon systems. 344 00:18:38,396 --> 00:18:39,530 We got weapons training. 345 00:18:39,530 --> 00:18:42,918 You learned to dismantle the big C machine gun. 346 00:18:42,918 --> 00:18:44,712 You learned to dismantle your Kalashnikov. 347 00:18:44,712 --> 00:18:46,512 You learned to put it back together. 348 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,770 Before I went to Syria, I'd never used a weapon, 349 00:18:51,770 --> 00:18:53,850 I certainly didn't know how to dismantle one, 350 00:18:53,850 --> 00:18:55,900 I hardly knew how to take the safety off. 351 00:18:58,300 --> 00:19:00,513 I never wanted to, I never liked guns. 352 00:19:03,470 --> 00:19:04,660 Whoa, fucking hell. 353 00:19:04,660 --> 00:19:06,120 Excuse my language. 354 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:07,599 Whew, baby. 355 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:08,810 Heval! 356 00:19:08,810 --> 00:19:12,273 Actually, I shot a Kalashnikov in a commercial I did. 357 00:19:12,273 --> 00:19:14,380 Command control. 358 00:19:14,380 --> 00:19:18,483 I played a bank robber and I actually used the same weapon 359 00:19:18,483 --> 00:19:21,683 that I would use for real in Syria. 360 00:19:21,683 --> 00:19:23,240 Shoot. 361 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,250 Well, that was the only time I'd ever 362 00:19:24,250 --> 00:19:25,737 touched weapons before then. 363 00:19:30,930 --> 00:19:35,200 The training for volunteers in Syria with the YPG, 364 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,570 at first it was only two weeks long. 365 00:19:37,570 --> 00:19:39,866 It was not enough for sure. 366 00:19:39,866 --> 00:19:41,638 Just because there was a war, 367 00:19:41,638 --> 00:19:44,630 they needed people on the front quite quickly. 368 00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:47,860 And the best they could do was was that. 369 00:19:47,860 --> 00:19:50,793 Just imagine being Michael Enright, 370 00:19:51,710 --> 00:19:55,040 you're this actor, who's becoming a militia fighter 371 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,390 against a vicious organization like ISIS. 372 00:19:59,390 --> 00:20:01,060 I mean, come on. 373 00:20:01,060 --> 00:20:02,610 You're not qualified. 374 00:20:02,610 --> 00:20:04,530 You know nothing about guns. 375 00:20:04,530 --> 00:20:07,260 You've never fought in a war. 376 00:20:07,260 --> 00:20:10,370 You would not do this, it would be a suicide mission. 377 00:20:10,370 --> 00:20:12,293 And yeah, he's determined. 378 00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:18,460 When you were in The Academy you got a name. 379 00:20:18,460 --> 00:20:22,670 The other volunteers were given names, but I chose my name, 380 00:20:22,670 --> 00:20:24,883 because there was a Pakistani man that I worked with 381 00:20:24,883 --> 00:20:26,510 when I was 18. 382 00:20:26,510 --> 00:20:28,680 My father had just died and this guy sort of became 383 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,630 a little bit of a father figure in a way. 384 00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:31,850 His name was Mustafa. 385 00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:35,960 So, in honor of him, I named myself Mustafa Rojava, 386 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,100 because the part of Syria I was in, 387 00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:39,857 the Kurdish part is called Rojava. 388 00:20:41,582 --> 00:20:42,415 Where do you come from? 389 00:20:42,415 --> 00:20:43,603 What's your family situation? 390 00:20:43,603 --> 00:20:44,503 What's your story? 391 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,040 What's my story? 392 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,523 How many hours do you have? 393 00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:53,546 My name is Michael Enright. 394 00:20:53,546 --> 00:20:57,307 My Kurdish guerrilla name is Mustafa Rojava. 395 00:20:58,154 --> 00:20:59,240 How do you volunteer, how you found out 396 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,590 about the situation here? 397 00:21:00,590 --> 00:21:04,210 What's going on in Kurdistan and the Middle East? 398 00:21:05,093 --> 00:21:06,780 I don't like bullies. 399 00:21:06,780 --> 00:21:08,047 I never liked bullies. 400 00:21:08,047 --> 00:21:12,707 And to see them with a man with his hands tied behind him, 401 00:21:12,707 --> 00:21:15,090 who has no hope of defending himself. 402 00:21:15,090 --> 00:21:18,307 And then some man come along and slice his head off. 403 00:21:26,660 --> 00:21:27,940 What is your conviction? 404 00:21:27,940 --> 00:21:29,800 What do you feel while you are here 405 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,690 and what do you want to achieve being here? 406 00:21:32,690 --> 00:21:37,690 I want to stand up like a man and kill them. 407 00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:41,070 And help to eliminate them. 408 00:21:41,070 --> 00:21:46,070 And you know, in whatever small part I can play in that. 409 00:21:49,020 --> 00:21:49,870 I want to do that 410 00:21:52,650 --> 00:21:55,920 with all the hevals and with everybody, 411 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,540 not just the Kurdish people, 412 00:21:57,540 --> 00:21:59,700 'cause this is not just a Kurdish fight. 413 00:21:59,700 --> 00:22:01,900 This is everybody's fight. 414 00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:05,228 My name is Jeremy, Kurdish name, Seapand Ahmed. 415 00:22:07,697 --> 00:22:10,120 My Kurdish name is Gabar Ahmed. 416 00:22:10,970 --> 00:22:13,250 The international volunteers, they're a broad church 417 00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:15,200 of political ideals. 418 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,560 They all go to Syria for different reasons 419 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,950 to join the YPG and the YPJ. 420 00:22:19,950 --> 00:22:22,860 Before this, I was a student and I studied philosophy. 421 00:22:22,860 --> 00:22:25,580 I came out here because I believe in revolution. 422 00:22:25,580 --> 00:22:27,630 We are here to defend Rojava against whatever 423 00:22:27,630 --> 00:22:29,790 the biggest threats it faces. 424 00:22:29,790 --> 00:22:33,630 These people were exceptionally strong-willed 425 00:22:33,630 --> 00:22:36,433 and willing to lay their life on the line. 426 00:22:37,710 --> 00:22:41,897 John Galar was probably the smartest guy I met out there. 427 00:22:41,897 --> 00:22:43,823 And very philosophical kind of person. 428 00:22:45,070 --> 00:22:47,500 My name is John from Windsor, Ontario. 429 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:49,770 I served in the military for three years 430 00:22:50,910 --> 00:22:53,240 and a few of my good friends got killed. 431 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,260 So, I suppose I've been living with that 432 00:22:56,260 --> 00:22:58,000 for the last 10 years or so. 433 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,580 Yeah, psychologically, I guess that makes it 434 00:22:59,580 --> 00:23:01,980 pretty easy to explain why a lot of us are here. 435 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,600 There was an Australian, Reece Harding, 436 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,880 who was a friend of mine. 437 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,080 He was by far the best looking 438 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,420 of all the westerners anyway. 439 00:23:10,420 --> 00:23:12,100 I told him, I said, "You was in LA, mate, 440 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:12,933 I'd put you in touch with a couple of 441 00:23:12,933 --> 00:23:14,540 modeling agencies I know." 442 00:23:14,540 --> 00:23:18,260 He was so handsome and such a sweet person. 443 00:23:18,260 --> 00:23:19,810 The Kurdish people are lovely people. 444 00:23:19,810 --> 00:23:21,960 I've never met such a nice group of people. 445 00:23:24,216 --> 00:23:27,290 If anything happens to me, parents, I love you, 446 00:23:27,290 --> 00:23:31,780 brother, I love you, and Isabelle, I love you, thanks. 447 00:23:31,780 --> 00:23:34,630 There are a lotta guys that sacrificed a lot 448 00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:35,600 when they went over there. 449 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,180 There were guys that sacrificed their lives 450 00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:40,363 to go over there. 451 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,375 Sometime after The Academy, 452 00:23:43,375 --> 00:23:47,317 the YPG found out I was an actor and they said to me, 453 00:23:47,317 --> 00:23:50,490 "We want you to film your time with us." 454 00:23:50,490 --> 00:23:52,850 They said, you know, "Can you carry the camera? 455 00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:55,600 Can you do some media for us?" 456 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,430 And I said, "No, I came to shoot, but not with a camera." 457 00:23:58,430 --> 00:24:01,420 And they said, "You can keep your gun, 458 00:24:01,420 --> 00:24:04,420 we're not taking that away, but England isn't helping at all 459 00:24:04,420 --> 00:24:06,865 and because you're a famous actor." 460 00:24:06,865 --> 00:24:09,060 I'm not a famous actor, but that's what they perceived. 461 00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:11,240 They said, "We think you can help us." 462 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,057 I said, "Okay." 463 00:24:14,569 --> 00:24:17,600 The YPG and YPJ, they always encouraged 464 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,350 international volunteers to speak up, 465 00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:22,250 to talk their mind, to write articles, to go on the press. 466 00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:24,897 Many international volunteers didn't want to do that. 467 00:24:24,897 --> 00:24:27,528 Oh, no video for me, man. 468 00:24:27,528 --> 00:24:30,378 Others didn't want to draw attention to themselves. 469 00:24:30,378 --> 00:24:34,395 For an operation, I'll have my camera like that 470 00:24:34,395 --> 00:24:39,395 and then click, safety on and then boom, in we go. 471 00:24:39,970 --> 00:24:43,333 After training, I was with a Kurdish unit, 472 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,283 all Kurds, which I liked. 473 00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:49,263 I liked it a lot, actually. 474 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,160 I'm traveling with these boys. 475 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,961 And then our driver, who's an excellent- 476 00:25:04,105 --> 00:25:05,462 Yes. 477 00:25:08,790 --> 00:25:10,765 Well, I could change units. 478 00:25:15,410 --> 00:25:16,243 And I would change. 479 00:25:16,243 --> 00:25:18,510 Literally I would do an operation with one in the morning 480 00:25:18,510 --> 00:25:20,570 and I would see them going on another one 481 00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:22,020 in the afternoon, and I would just leave 482 00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:24,070 and go with a new operation. 483 00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:26,450 I was really hyped up. 484 00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:29,290 'Cause I played those guys in films. 485 00:25:29,290 --> 00:25:31,390 It's like you're about to go on a raid, you're a SWAT member 486 00:25:31,390 --> 00:25:32,438 and they're all. 487 00:25:32,438 --> 00:25:35,220 You know, I always played it like, you're ready to go. 488 00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:38,040 And in actual fact, that's not how it is. 489 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,250 You're having a laugh, you're totally relaxed. 490 00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:41,781 Say, hi boys. 491 00:25:41,781 --> 00:25:42,614 Hi. Hi. 492 00:25:43,740 --> 00:25:45,440 Look at that handsome man there. 493 00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:52,930 Sometimes I'd make jokes. 494 00:25:52,930 --> 00:25:56,103 Hello, it looks like you're the only Daesh we've met. 495 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,750 ISIS in that part of the world is called Daesh. 496 00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:03,450 And they hate being called that. 497 00:26:03,450 --> 00:26:06,220 That's why I prefer Daesh to ISIS, you know. 498 00:26:06,220 --> 00:26:07,500 How are ya? 499 00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:09,080 Everyone good? 500 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,000 Looking a little sad. 501 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,423 Yes, we took your village. 502 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,413 You know, a lot of war is doing nothing. 503 00:26:18,570 --> 00:26:22,830 It's hour after hour, day after day, week after week 504 00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:24,380 of doing nothing. 505 00:26:24,380 --> 00:26:25,623 And it's really boring. 506 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,230 Most of the time you weren't on some sort of offensive. 507 00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:34,263 You were slowly taking ground and holding it. 508 00:26:35,580 --> 00:26:37,380 Slowly taking ground and holding it. 509 00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:43,400 And that was the majority of the experience. 510 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,000 So, our food didn't arrive. 511 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,060 So, we're gonna try and see if we can find some food. 512 00:26:49,060 --> 00:26:51,093 I think some of the gentleman have found some. 513 00:26:55,690 --> 00:26:58,020 Oh, I say, how uncivilized. 514 00:26:58,020 --> 00:27:01,150 Oh, well, if you can't go through the door, 515 00:27:01,150 --> 00:27:03,280 I guess you can always go through the window. 516 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,250 And I remember going in one store and I saw a mirror. 517 00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:10,420 And it was like, whoa, yes! 518 00:27:10,420 --> 00:27:11,980 A mirror. 519 00:27:11,980 --> 00:27:14,790 Oh, wow, we've got a mirror. 520 00:27:14,790 --> 00:27:16,742 A little "Saving Private Ryan" action. 521 00:27:16,742 --> 00:27:17,992 Break that off. 522 00:27:19,027 --> 00:27:20,480 Put that fit in there? 523 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,730 Yep, very nicely. 524 00:27:21,730 --> 00:27:22,690 There you go. 525 00:27:22,690 --> 00:27:25,190 So when Daesh comes, I can look 'round the corner. 526 00:27:26,507 --> 00:27:30,210 "Saving Private Ryan," I've watched it about 50 times. 527 00:27:30,210 --> 00:27:32,600 I've only got two films downloaded, "Saving Private Ryan" 528 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,030 and "Schindler's List." 529 00:27:34,030 --> 00:27:36,403 Tom Hanks goes like that, so I thought, hm. 530 00:27:38,150 --> 00:27:41,687 I like your style Tommy, I like your style. 531 00:27:41,687 --> 00:27:45,750 Do you know when you're at war, most of your time 532 00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:48,500 is spent doing your, not fighting. 533 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:50,033 So there is a lot of boredom. 534 00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:54,213 It's day five now of this place. 535 00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:57,230 It gets frustrating. 536 00:27:57,230 --> 00:28:00,943 You're doing absolutely nothing, you know, for a long time. 537 00:28:02,875 --> 00:28:04,365 And then you get the word, you know 538 00:28:04,365 --> 00:28:06,165 that you're gonna go on an operation 539 00:28:07,086 --> 00:28:09,253 and then it's like, boom. 540 00:28:09,253 --> 00:28:12,056 Then it's go time and you're switched on. 541 00:28:22,597 --> 00:28:23,758 So, they've got a sniper shooting 542 00:28:23,758 --> 00:28:26,353 right at that location we was at. 543 00:28:26,353 --> 00:28:30,060 The first time I got shot at, that was a trip. 544 00:28:30,060 --> 00:28:31,930 We had Daesh completely surrounded 545 00:28:31,930 --> 00:28:34,151 and we'd just be bombing 'em. 546 00:28:36,659 --> 00:28:37,492 Fuck me! 547 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,705 We were shooting back and forth and then. 548 00:28:45,067 --> 00:28:48,057 There was two shots. 549 00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:53,693 The ISIS sniper hit the rock right next to my face. 550 00:28:55,740 --> 00:28:58,600 And the rock hits me in the face from his bullet. 551 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,023 That was the first time that had happened, 552 00:29:01,023 --> 00:29:03,248 that specifically for me. 553 00:29:08,728 --> 00:29:11,380 And that pissed me off. 554 00:29:11,380 --> 00:29:13,950 But the adrenaline was in and I was so angry 555 00:29:13,950 --> 00:29:17,190 and I thought at least give them something back. 556 00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:19,300 So I just took aim and I just held it up. 557 00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:22,230 And I just went. 558 00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:23,900 So at least he was getting something back. 559 00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:25,640 At least he knew we knew where he was. 560 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,620 'Cause that'll make sometimes make a sniper move. 561 00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:30,730 Sometimes the best way to kill an enemy 562 00:29:30,730 --> 00:29:33,310 is to hold them in place with suppressive fire. 563 00:29:33,310 --> 00:29:36,180 Then call in air support from the Americans, the Brits, 564 00:29:36,180 --> 00:29:38,600 the French, and they'll come and drop a bomb 565 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,890 right on their lovely heads. 566 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,283 Get on the end of that. 567 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,750 Why would you go be an insurgent 568 00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:05,730 in somebody else's civil war. 569 00:30:05,730 --> 00:30:07,720 There's gotta be something else that's motivating people 570 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,790 to go travel to these countries where they have never been, 571 00:30:10,790 --> 00:30:13,123 don't know anybody, to go fight as a rebel. 572 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,300 I think Michael's psychological state at the time 573 00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:23,240 is simultaneously one of great clarity 574 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,203 and one of a great fog. 575 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,223 The clarity of purpose, 576 00:30:31,060 --> 00:30:34,873 the fog of not understanding the consequences. 577 00:30:36,980 --> 00:30:39,500 The common theme that I encountered 578 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:42,050 in studying both fighters for ISIS 579 00:30:42,050 --> 00:30:45,210 and against ISIS is motivation. 580 00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:47,650 Motivation, motivation, motivation, 581 00:30:47,650 --> 00:30:51,500 for self-sacrifice, for adventure. 582 00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:54,160 Michael Enright had this motivation 583 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,440 to a very high degree. 584 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,100 Despite the hedonistic life that he had in Hollywood, 585 00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:03,470 there was something missing, a gaping hole, 586 00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:06,143 and for him it meant something very, very specific. 587 00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:11,283 The motivation for significance, to matter, to be somebody. 588 00:31:12,170 --> 00:31:14,420 Michael is the product, by his own account, 589 00:31:14,420 --> 00:31:17,300 of a very unhappy childhood home. 590 00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:21,943 He describes his father as a tough guy, abusive. 591 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,280 I first met Michael at a really young age. 592 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,240 Growing up in Manchester was extremely violent 593 00:31:34,270 --> 00:31:36,810 for me and Michael, especially when you come from 594 00:31:36,810 --> 00:31:41,810 a violent upbringing and you're being physically, 595 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,713 emotionally, and mentally punished. 596 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,383 Yeah, I got hit a lot. 597 00:31:54,620 --> 00:31:57,070 I got sometimes put in hospital. 598 00:31:57,070 --> 00:31:58,923 My dad would go too far. 599 00:32:00,207 --> 00:32:02,157 I'd go to school with lumps on me head. 600 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,840 Sometimes my dad would black my eye, 601 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,963 break my fingers and stuff. 602 00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:10,883 So it was tough. 603 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,113 I would be crying from the emotional pain of that happening. 604 00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:20,460 Somebody who loved you, who was supposed to protect you 605 00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:21,513 was abusing you. 606 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,890 And I was getting hurt every day. 607 00:32:24,890 --> 00:32:27,590 So when I was 16 years old, I moved out of that house. 608 00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:33,620 Michael's father like mine beat him severely. 609 00:32:33,620 --> 00:32:36,180 I think that's one of the reasons 610 00:32:36,180 --> 00:32:39,557 that makes us the hard characters we are. 611 00:32:39,557 --> 00:32:44,557 And also being there for people who are vulnerable, 612 00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:48,643 needy, and bullied. 613 00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:55,200 Michael Enright, his father punished him. 614 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,033 He was tough. 615 00:32:56,033 --> 00:32:58,090 He wanted to show that he's just as tough, 616 00:32:58,090 --> 00:33:01,480 but he's tough in a very positive way. 617 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,600 He adapted an ideology of protection, 618 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,253 of standing up for the weak and downtrodden. 619 00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:11,210 That was one of the biggest reasons I'd gone 620 00:33:11,210 --> 00:33:13,340 is because they were raping these women 621 00:33:13,340 --> 00:33:14,710 and these little girls. 622 00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:17,670 These Daesh fighters we're bidding on 623 00:33:17,670 --> 00:33:19,570 one of the little Yazidi girls. 624 00:33:19,570 --> 00:33:20,810 I used to keep that on my phone 625 00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:23,100 and before we'd go on an operation I'd watch it, 626 00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:24,480 just to sort of go, ah ha. 627 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,766 That's who we're going for, that's who we're going for. 628 00:33:27,766 --> 00:33:29,270 You know, that's who I'm gonna fight. 629 00:33:29,270 --> 00:33:32,381 So I was ready, I was absolutely ready. 630 00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:41,130 People that joined the YPG, I would give them credit 631 00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:42,450 that they wanted to fight something 632 00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:43,810 that we all want to fight. 633 00:33:43,810 --> 00:33:45,970 I mean, I don't ever wanna pick up a gun, 634 00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:48,350 but I certainly wanna see ISIS defeated. 635 00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:51,663 So I'm thankful to whoever did pick up guns to defeat them. 636 00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:56,060 Band of brothers, this idea of band of brothers 637 00:33:56,060 --> 00:33:59,030 who die together, who are facing death together, 638 00:33:59,030 --> 00:34:03,640 this is a kind of fusion, the kind of glue 639 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,833 that keeps people together more than anything else. 640 00:34:08,370 --> 00:34:12,640 As far as my experience, as far as it comes to the YPG, 641 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:13,778 yeah, they all loved each other. 642 00:34:13,778 --> 00:34:14,850 It was like a big family. 643 00:34:14,850 --> 00:34:15,950 This one I love him. 644 00:34:17,482 --> 00:34:19,130 I love you. 645 00:34:19,130 --> 00:34:22,730 Remember Michael is someone that wasn't appreciated 646 00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:25,090 in his own family by his father. 647 00:34:25,090 --> 00:34:26,860 He's found a new family. 648 00:34:26,860 --> 00:34:29,873 And this family is a family of heroes. 649 00:34:35,075 --> 00:34:38,755 There was one person who became really close to me. 650 00:34:38,755 --> 00:34:40,960 You know, he was almost like family. 651 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:41,893 His name was Ciya. 652 00:34:44,223 --> 00:34:46,300 Ciya was my commander. 653 00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:49,343 And he put me under his wing. 654 00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:51,733 He was great. 655 00:34:51,733 --> 00:34:53,680 He used to wear a cowboy hat. 656 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,520 He was this insane Kurd. 657 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,290 Was insane in so many ways. 658 00:34:58,290 --> 00:34:59,510 He was so funny. 659 00:34:59,510 --> 00:35:01,100 He was a rapper. 660 00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:02,810 This is our commander. 661 00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:06,110 This is Heval Ciya, but he's also known as a rap star. 662 00:35:06,110 --> 00:35:07,500 He's the Kurdish rapper. 663 00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:09,649 Rap baby, go. 664 00:35:30,778 --> 00:35:33,730 Wow, that's how we do it Kurdish style. 665 00:35:33,730 --> 00:35:36,880 And he was so funny because we'd be on the front 666 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,360 and all hell would be breaking loose. 667 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,280 We just heard a mortar go off. 668 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,500 So we're waiting for, here we are. 669 00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:45,740 Except brave man over there. 670 00:35:45,740 --> 00:35:46,719 Get down! 671 00:35:50,419 --> 00:35:51,252 Here we go. 672 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:56,800 Get down, get down. 673 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,350 And we'd all be running for cover. 674 00:35:59,350 --> 00:36:01,161 So you get as close as you can. 675 00:36:01,161 --> 00:36:02,611 Oh, I can hear it. 676 00:36:06,787 --> 00:36:08,750 And Ciya, he's walking 'round on his radio, 677 00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:09,830 like, ya, bada, bada, bada. 678 00:36:09,830 --> 00:36:10,850 I'm like, hey. 679 00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:15,000 Mr. Cool, Cool Hand Luke, he was just like Robert Duvall 680 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,100 in "Apocalypse Now." 681 00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:17,960 Everyone else is freaking and he's just walking 682 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,380 like down the beach, like, Charlie's not gonna get me. 683 00:36:21,380 --> 00:36:22,213 Charlie doesn't see. 684 00:36:22,213 --> 00:36:23,470 He was so cool. 685 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,140 That'll wake you up. 686 00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:30,390 So, everybody knew Ciya 687 00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:32,600 and everybody really looked up to him. 688 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:33,433 He was one of those commanders 689 00:36:33,433 --> 00:36:36,600 that really led from the front and the Kurds did that a lot. 690 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:37,987 Our commanders that's one of the best things 691 00:36:37,987 --> 00:36:40,410 about the YPG was the leadership. 692 00:36:40,410 --> 00:36:41,700 I really respected them. 693 00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:43,483 I really respected them so much. 694 00:36:45,070 --> 00:36:48,580 One thing that a lot of people don't know about the YPG 695 00:36:48,580 --> 00:36:52,763 is that much of the leadership of the YPG is women. 696 00:36:54,430 --> 00:36:58,310 And they called it a feminist revolution, it really was. 697 00:36:58,310 --> 00:37:01,620 Up to that point, I always thought that women 698 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:03,230 shouldn't be on the front line. 699 00:37:03,230 --> 00:37:06,140 Not because I'm macho man and we'll do the fighting. 700 00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:08,537 No, because I care about them. 701 00:37:08,537 --> 00:37:10,750 And I don't want them to get hurt. 702 00:37:10,750 --> 00:37:12,950 And it's like, if someone's gonna take a risk 703 00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:15,350 of losing their legs or getting shot in the face, 704 00:37:15,350 --> 00:37:18,400 I don't want it to be in your pretty face. 705 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,670 I'll take that risk. 706 00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:21,490 And then, you meet the YPJ 707 00:37:22,857 --> 00:37:24,233 and it totally turns that on its head. 708 00:37:25,350 --> 00:37:28,980 Because all of a sudden those thoughts just leave you 709 00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:31,800 because they sure as hell don't need me to protect them. 710 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,255 The YPJ don't need my protection. 711 00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:39,410 I can remember one time in Tall Tamr we got ambushed 712 00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:42,170 by the Islamic State as we were trying to take a position. 713 00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:46,580 And I was hiding in the dirt because I was terrified. 714 00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:48,810 Bullets were smacking into the ground around me. 715 00:37:48,810 --> 00:37:49,840 They were screaming at us. 716 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,280 They knew they got us. 717 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,530 And I can remember turning to my left 718 00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:57,020 and seeing a young girl, who I knew was only 18 years old, 719 00:37:57,020 --> 00:38:02,020 stand up with an RPG, fire it at the Islamic State, 720 00:38:02,590 --> 00:38:05,220 swear at them and then obviously hit the dirt again 721 00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:07,890 and she didn't get shot, it was remarkable. 722 00:38:07,890 --> 00:38:10,010 And I can remember being shamed by it, 723 00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:12,670 thinking to myself, wow, these girls are brave, 724 00:38:12,670 --> 00:38:15,700 fighting and putting the fear of God 725 00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:17,450 into the people they were fighting. 726 00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:21,870 Because the Islamic State believed that if they were 727 00:38:21,870 --> 00:38:24,670 killed in battle by a woman they wouldn't get 728 00:38:24,670 --> 00:38:26,460 the rewards of a martyr. 729 00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:30,477 They wouldn't get the 72 virgins that was due them. 730 00:38:52,850 --> 00:38:54,770 I think one of the reasons why I had a bond 731 00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:56,700 with the Kurds is because they have 732 00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:59,350 such self-respect for themselves. 733 00:38:59,350 --> 00:39:01,970 If someone has self-respect and shows you respect, 734 00:39:01,970 --> 00:39:04,510 how can you not fall in love with that? 735 00:39:04,510 --> 00:39:06,800 So I was committed to this fight 736 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,480 and I never wanted to go home. 737 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,790 I mean, I never wanted to go home until we'd taken Raqqa 738 00:39:11,790 --> 00:39:13,150 because that's their capital. 739 00:39:13,150 --> 00:39:16,353 That's like you invade in England and you take London. 740 00:39:38,296 --> 00:39:41,440 But by the end of 2015, we hadn't taken Raqqa. 741 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,660 We'd been in a sort of hold 742 00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:46,560 and there was gonna be many, many months of doing nothing. 743 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,600 So I had already completed my six months tour. 744 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,310 So I thought this would be a good time to take a break, 745 00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:54,780 to go and see my mother and my sister. 746 00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:56,950 And then my plan was I'd come back 747 00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:58,833 in time for the Raqqa operation. 748 00:40:08,180 --> 00:40:11,070 When Michael flies to Mexico, 749 00:40:11,070 --> 00:40:16,070 this undeniable problem sort of dawns on him 750 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,683 as he's coming home. 751 00:40:20,830 --> 00:40:23,890 That he has been living in the United States 752 00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:27,430 for three decades on a tourist visa 753 00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:32,030 that has been expired for three decades. 754 00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:35,283 And he has to figure out a way to come back home. 755 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,773 Think about that. 756 00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:43,290 He figures that the San Ysidro border crossing 757 00:40:43,290 --> 00:40:47,023 is the most busy border crossing in the United States. 758 00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:52,200 And he figures that he can do what he always does, 759 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,210 which is act. 760 00:40:54,210 --> 00:40:56,813 And he will just blend in with the crowd. 761 00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:00,180 And of course it does not work out. 762 00:41:00,180 --> 00:41:01,863 Of course he is caught. 763 00:41:04,290 --> 00:41:06,150 I was stopped at the border 764 00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:10,440 'cause I'd over stayed my visa and they took my phone. 765 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,070 And I remember an immigration officer, a young guy, 766 00:41:15,070 --> 00:41:17,353 came back and went, "What's this?" 767 00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:23,130 And he showed footage from my headcam 768 00:41:23,130 --> 00:41:27,270 from my first tour, when we fought Daesh. 769 00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:29,910 We just put all the bodies together. 770 00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:31,310 And I had footage of that. 771 00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:33,290 And he said, "What is this?" 772 00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:35,470 He said, "I just, what's all these dead bodies. 773 00:41:35,470 --> 00:41:37,570 You got footage of dead people on your phone." 774 00:41:37,570 --> 00:41:39,417 I went, "Oh yeah, I was a soldier, 775 00:41:39,417 --> 00:41:41,010 I just came back from Syria." 776 00:41:41,010 --> 00:41:44,124 And then boom, so Homeland Security came immediately. 777 00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:47,510 I told them all I could. 778 00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:48,683 Told them everything. 779 00:41:49,650 --> 00:41:51,160 He is detained. 780 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,890 And he is put in one of these horrible detention centers, 781 00:41:54,890 --> 00:41:57,220 where the lights are on all day 782 00:41:57,220 --> 00:42:02,220 and you're stuffed into a small cell with many, many people. 783 00:42:02,220 --> 00:42:07,220 And it is there that he says that he had 784 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,810 this very special encounter 785 00:42:09,810 --> 00:42:12,363 with U.S. law enforcement officials. 786 00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:16,010 I remember there was one interview 787 00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:19,870 and I went in there and there was an intelligence officer. 788 00:42:19,870 --> 00:42:20,703 She was blonde. 789 00:42:20,703 --> 00:42:24,790 And she said, you know, she'd try and help me solve, 790 00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:26,601 work it out with them. 791 00:42:26,601 --> 00:42:28,376 And we had a long conversation about it. 792 00:42:28,376 --> 00:42:30,876 And that's when I started to hear about the deals. 793 00:42:32,130 --> 00:42:37,130 Michael says that he was given this extraordinary offer. 794 00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:43,120 An offer to have his immigration problems disappear 795 00:42:44,220 --> 00:42:48,360 if he was able to go back to Syria 796 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,360 and provide actionable intelligence about ISIS. 797 00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:58,450 And they said, you know, "If you can help us 798 00:42:58,450 --> 00:43:01,120 get a bad guy, we'll let you come home." 799 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,177 I said, "Well, how are you gonna do that?" 800 00:43:02,177 --> 00:43:03,670 And they said, "We're the American government, 801 00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:05,840 we can do anything we want." 802 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,080 I said, "Okay." 803 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,790 The most elusive character in the Michael Enright story 804 00:43:11,790 --> 00:43:16,790 is the woman he calls Laura, the blonde lady. 805 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,840 She is the woman that he says offered him this amazing deal. 806 00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:27,230 There's no video documentation of that. 807 00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:31,460 There's no paper documentation of that. 808 00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:34,110 The question is whether it's his naivete 809 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,310 or is there a deeper psychological reason 810 00:43:39,310 --> 00:43:44,050 why he believed the woman that allegedly made him the offer? 811 00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:49,050 It all hinges on his great motivation to be recognized. 812 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,770 What the woman was suggesting to him, 813 00:43:53,770 --> 00:43:56,590 do this one thing for America 814 00:43:56,590 --> 00:44:00,580 and you will be recognized and probably welcome, 815 00:44:00,580 --> 00:44:03,850 given a hero's welcome, or at least a visa 816 00:44:03,850 --> 00:44:06,680 in recognition of your great contribution 817 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,430 to our fight against terrorism, against ISIS. 818 00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:13,593 So that's when I decided to return to Syria 819 00:44:13,593 --> 00:44:17,100 and gather intelligence about the Islamic State. 820 00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:19,620 And the next thing I knew I was being put on a plane 821 00:44:19,620 --> 00:44:21,910 with three Homeland Security agents 822 00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:23,830 and I was escorted back to England. 823 00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:27,700 And then there was this other really crazy thing 824 00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:30,470 that I had significant doubts about. 825 00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:34,880 And that was that his deportation 826 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,660 had this very unusual element to it. 827 00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:42,660 That he was flown to England by three 828 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,003 law enforcement officials of the United States. 829 00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:54,110 To me, that sounded really off the charts. 830 00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:55,600 But guess what? 831 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,570 That checked out, that was something 832 00:44:58,570 --> 00:45:01,550 that we were able to confirm on the record, 833 00:45:01,550 --> 00:45:04,683 officially from the United States government. 834 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,363 I went back to England. 835 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,430 I spent some time with my family 836 00:45:11,850 --> 00:45:15,900 and then in June, 2016, I went back to Syria 837 00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:18,873 to try and get a bad guy just like I promised. 838 00:45:23,070 --> 00:45:23,903 Hey! 839 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,600 It's so good to see you. 840 00:45:35,217 --> 00:45:37,356 Ah, I missed you so much. 841 00:45:42,070 --> 00:45:44,400 The second time really was about Raqqa, 842 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,000 because I wanted to go to Raqqa. 843 00:45:48,077 --> 00:45:51,540 But also, that was an ingredient in it. 844 00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:53,000 If I can get intelligence. 845 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,000 We just found this, which is obviously some type of mine. 846 00:45:58,970 --> 00:46:01,040 This is a training. 847 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,630 This is what they designed for their training center. 848 00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:06,410 I wanted to search for intelligence 849 00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:09,010 so I could go home to America. 850 00:46:09,010 --> 00:46:11,890 I went to fight at the front 851 00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:16,673 and I had been without any internet access. 852 00:46:18,220 --> 00:46:23,180 I got back from the front, went on to check my Facebook 853 00:46:23,180 --> 00:46:25,790 because that's the only way I was in contact with people 854 00:46:25,790 --> 00:46:28,993 and I read this Facebook post that Jordan Matson had done. 855 00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:35,480 Jordan Matson said Michael was unstable. 856 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,880 That he was a danger to himself and to others. 857 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,910 That the Kurds did not like him 858 00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:44,560 and that they had taken off the pin of his Kalashnikov, 859 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,610 that he had tried to commit suicide, 860 00:46:47,610 --> 00:46:51,060 and that authorities should do something 861 00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:53,070 to remove him from Aujerby. 862 00:46:53,070 --> 00:46:55,303 He had posted this on his Facebook page. 863 00:46:57,590 --> 00:47:00,473 Let's talk about your boy, Michael Enright, all right. 864 00:47:01,330 --> 00:47:03,760 They tried putting him in four different actual combat, 865 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,190 we're called tabors, or tacoms, which are smaller platoon 866 00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:08,240 and company levels. 867 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:11,058 And he was systematically kicked out of each one 868 00:47:11,058 --> 00:47:13,210 for being mentally unstable. 869 00:47:13,210 --> 00:47:15,830 When you go into an army you get close 870 00:47:15,830 --> 00:47:18,540 with your other soldiers, and he was another soldier 871 00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:21,493 and I just couldn't believe it. 872 00:47:22,850 --> 00:47:24,750 Jordan Matson is one of the more interesting 873 00:47:24,750 --> 00:47:27,540 of the American volunteers who joined the YPG, 874 00:47:27,540 --> 00:47:29,660 first because he was among the first. 875 00:47:29,660 --> 00:47:32,623 He went to Syria, I believe in 2014. 876 00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:36,767 He was all over the media. 877 00:47:36,767 --> 00:47:39,500 And he was on Fox News all the time. 878 00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:42,752 They really put him up there. 879 00:47:44,110 --> 00:47:46,040 My next guest is an American veteran 880 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,950 and a Christian who traveled to Iraq 881 00:47:47,950 --> 00:47:51,850 to fight with the Kurds in Northern Iraq, against ISIS. 882 00:47:51,850 --> 00:47:53,337 I was looking for a way to join 883 00:47:53,337 --> 00:47:55,300 one of the militias fighting against ISIS. 884 00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:56,753 I just had enough off of it. 885 00:47:56,753 --> 00:47:57,610 And I decided if my government 886 00:47:57,610 --> 00:47:59,823 wasn't gonna do something I was. 887 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,563 Me and several others are gonna stay here 888 00:48:02,563 --> 00:48:05,250 'til this fight is over with and see it through. 889 00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:07,640 And I thank you all for your support and your prayers. 890 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,750 The YPG have been using him 891 00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:12,327 as their face for the westerners. 892 00:48:12,327 --> 00:48:14,957 And so he was all over the media. 893 00:48:14,957 --> 00:48:18,090 And they even gave him the nickname Captain Kurdistan, 894 00:48:18,090 --> 00:48:21,090 instead of Captain America, they gave him Captain Kurdistan. 895 00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:24,690 Beating the Islamic State required 896 00:48:24,690 --> 00:48:27,580 having competent forces on the ground, 897 00:48:27,580 --> 00:48:31,080 willing to engage in close combat with the Islamic State. 898 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,810 And the United States was not willing to do that, 899 00:48:32,810 --> 00:48:36,337 which is why we depended so heavily upon the YPG 900 00:48:36,337 --> 00:48:38,703 and the western volunteers of the YPG. 901 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,360 Jordan, he was the first one that actually recommended 902 00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:47,233 helping the Kurds. 903 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:53,720 He really, really, really has been essential 904 00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:57,640 to helping guys get over there. 905 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,270 And yeah, he's a good guy. 906 00:49:00,270 --> 00:49:02,600 I have a lot of respect for him. 907 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,600 He had 30,000 fans following him on Facebook. 908 00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:11,020 And hundreds and hundreds of people 909 00:49:11,020 --> 00:49:14,120 that liked and commented on this story. 910 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,960 The Daily Mail and other newspapers wrote 911 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,203 more articles, negative articles. 912 00:49:21,850 --> 00:49:24,270 That's how I got involved with Michael's story. 913 00:49:24,270 --> 00:49:27,030 I was following it 'cause I knew him before he left. 914 00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:28,270 We were friendly. 915 00:49:28,270 --> 00:49:31,470 And then I read the articles 916 00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:34,790 and it was ridiculous I thought. 917 00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:37,750 They have these accusations by Matson, they were a lot 918 00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:39,040 and they went viral. 919 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,750 And it was clear to me that you really gotta step through 920 00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:45,233 each accusation one at a time and look into it. 921 00:49:45,233 --> 00:49:46,940 Right now, basically from what I'm told 922 00:49:46,940 --> 00:49:49,470 from our chain of command, is he travels with them 923 00:49:49,470 --> 00:49:52,923 because he says he's making a movie or a documentary. 924 00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:56,877 I had heard that some people were thinking, 925 00:49:56,877 --> 00:50:00,150 ah, he's a movie star coming here for publicity. 926 00:50:00,150 --> 00:50:03,087 We ended up talking to all of these people 927 00:50:03,087 --> 00:50:07,570 who have nom de guerres and come from places 928 00:50:07,570 --> 00:50:10,380 all over the world, not just the United States, 929 00:50:10,380 --> 00:50:12,560 Spain, other parts of Europe. 930 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,770 This is a really kind of eclectic group 931 00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:19,203 of very interesting and unique people. 932 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:25,030 Some of these people think that he was not sincere 933 00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:27,850 in what he was doing. 934 00:50:27,850 --> 00:50:32,590 So this is my first day, Heval, here, camera here, no. 935 00:50:32,590 --> 00:50:35,720 Even among his fellow volunteers, 936 00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:37,820 they saw a guy from Hollywood. 937 00:50:37,820 --> 00:50:42,360 They thought maybe he was trying to enhance his career, 938 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,450 give himself a boost, get better roles. 939 00:50:45,450 --> 00:50:50,370 Move from being the supporting cast in the movie 940 00:50:50,370 --> 00:50:52,490 to being the star. 941 00:50:52,490 --> 00:50:54,033 Film this, are you filming? 942 00:50:55,180 --> 00:50:58,547 Are you filming? 943 00:50:58,547 --> 00:51:00,700 Heval, are you filming? 944 00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:01,830 The accusation would have been, 945 00:51:01,830 --> 00:51:04,060 oh, you're just here to make a film. 946 00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:05,650 You're here for the glorification. 947 00:51:05,650 --> 00:51:08,430 Surviving in being a successful Hollywood actor, 948 00:51:08,430 --> 00:51:11,990 or semi-successful Hollywood actor flying in for six months, 949 00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:14,820 get the story and then bug out the other way. 950 00:51:14,820 --> 00:51:16,480 See you later, boys. 951 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,150 I think throughout history you can find foreign fighters 952 00:51:19,150 --> 00:51:22,020 who have inflated their battlefield resume 953 00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:24,480 or whether it's to sell memoirs 954 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,660 or because they like to tell tall tales. 955 00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:29,220 There are always incentives for people, 956 00:51:29,220 --> 00:51:31,230 especially maybe the extreme personalities 957 00:51:31,230 --> 00:51:33,760 who go off to become a foreign fighter. 958 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,210 There are stories of people that joined the YPG 959 00:51:37,060 --> 00:51:40,210 that just went there to have a picture of themselves 960 00:51:40,210 --> 00:51:45,210 with a gun, and they joined for good and for bad reasons. 961 00:51:45,660 --> 00:51:47,763 And you know, sometimes it was a photo op. 962 00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:50,579 So, get us both in. 963 00:51:50,579 --> 00:51:52,579 Okay, okay, so get us both in. 964 00:51:52,579 --> 00:51:53,606 Yes. Yeah. 965 00:51:53,606 --> 00:51:56,010 Some people come with diaries and GoPros 966 00:51:56,010 --> 00:51:57,840 looking for fame, you know. 967 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,050 I was given the task by Michael Enright 968 00:52:00,050 --> 00:52:02,870 to find him a camera in Sulaymaniyah in Iraq. 969 00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:06,060 A GoPro camera that was able to shoot 970 00:52:06,060 --> 00:52:09,590 the quality of footage that he was after. 971 00:52:09,590 --> 00:52:13,380 And this camera was just absolutely crucial 972 00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:17,150 in getting his story out to the world. 973 00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:19,308 Thank you, this is my cameraman. 974 00:52:19,308 --> 00:52:20,501 Shukran. 975 00:52:24,750 --> 00:52:26,110 There you go. 976 00:52:26,110 --> 00:52:27,960 Looks like Daesh is finished here. 977 00:52:29,610 --> 00:52:30,930 You come there with all these things 978 00:52:30,930 --> 00:52:32,040 to record what you're doing, 979 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,610 and you're not really there to fight. 980 00:52:33,610 --> 00:52:35,300 I mean, maybe part of you is, 981 00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:38,090 but that's not the main reason you're there. 982 00:52:38,090 --> 00:52:38,923 Heval. 983 00:52:38,923 --> 00:52:40,810 Not the first time I've been miced. 984 00:52:40,810 --> 00:52:43,243 They want to ask you about YPJ. 985 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,164 I think there was animosity towards him 986 00:52:46,164 --> 00:52:47,350 because he was an actor. 987 00:52:47,350 --> 00:52:49,020 Lot of the people that were coming there 988 00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:52,370 were ex-professional soldiers. 989 00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:55,340 And they had a tendency to consider people 990 00:52:55,340 --> 00:52:58,470 that were not as wannabes. 991 00:52:58,470 --> 00:53:00,340 I guess they were saying that he was in places 992 00:53:00,340 --> 00:53:02,670 where there were never, where he was never even fighting. 993 00:53:02,670 --> 00:53:05,323 And it was just like, what are you doing? 994 00:53:06,620 --> 00:53:08,840 On the right, this is close to where I was. 995 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,540 This is close to where we were fighting. 996 00:53:10,540 --> 00:53:12,780 Some of the bullet holes in this building 997 00:53:12,780 --> 00:53:14,053 are from my Kalash. 998 00:53:15,060 --> 00:53:18,190 When you have certain people that show up 999 00:53:18,190 --> 00:53:21,440 and come over there for the wrong reasons, 1000 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:26,313 they can tarnish what it is that the rest of us are doing. 1001 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,490 You know, I'm going to the front again. 1002 00:53:30,490 --> 00:53:35,490 And you know, if you go, you go, that's the way that is. 1003 00:53:37,660 --> 00:53:38,640 Yeah. 1004 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,820 I don't even understand what you're talking about. 1005 00:53:40,820 --> 00:53:42,030 Go over there and go frigging 1006 00:53:42,030 --> 00:53:43,801 and fill up a water pail or something. 1007 00:53:43,801 --> 00:53:44,634 You know what I mean? 1008 00:53:44,634 --> 00:53:46,263 The big boys are here now. 1009 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,900 If you wanted to throw on a YPG uniform 1010 00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:53,400 and sort of hang around in the rear area 1011 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,107 with the headquarters, you could have done that. 1012 00:53:56,107 --> 00:53:59,460 And it makes it look like you're really involved, 1013 00:53:59,460 --> 00:54:00,293 but not be. 1014 00:54:01,330 --> 00:54:03,000 Michael was doing lot of filming, 1015 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,190 so it could have looked to some people 1016 00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:08,720 like it was a career boost to build his ego. 1017 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:10,610 The difference between me and a lotta the guys that join, 1018 00:54:10,610 --> 00:54:13,700 a lotta the guys don't have prior military training. 1019 00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:16,253 Obviously, he wasn't a trained fighter, 1020 00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:20,183 but is he a danger like Jordan Matson claimed? 1021 00:54:21,490 --> 00:54:23,030 There were a lot of guys that weren't 1022 00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:25,520 ex-military or whatever, but they definitely 1023 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:30,160 had to get their shit together rickety tick. 1024 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,600 I had a lot of laughs with Mike, you know what I mean? 1025 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:33,920 I don't know if I'd wanna, you know, 1026 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,010 be in a combat situation with him. 1027 00:54:36,010 --> 00:54:39,300 I wouldn't mind being at a bar with him, I'll tell ya that. 1028 00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:41,360 I don't know if I want him, you know, 1029 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,163 watching my back during a firefight. 1030 00:54:46,250 --> 00:54:50,510 Michael Enright kinda has like a loud personality 1031 00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:51,860 and maybe a lotta guys felt like, 1032 00:54:51,860 --> 00:54:54,950 who's this old British dude, you know, 1033 00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:56,400 that's never been in the military. 1034 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,643 I guess people resent that kind of stuff. 1035 00:54:59,690 --> 00:55:01,450 You know, and you're not gonna jeopardize my life 1036 00:55:01,450 --> 00:55:04,170 and you're not gonna jeopardize anybody else's life. 1037 00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:05,810 This was the main issue for people 1038 00:55:05,810 --> 00:55:07,990 with no previous military experience 1039 00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:11,240 is that they were too eager to fight. 1040 00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:14,210 They didn't understand what it really meant. 1041 00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:19,210 And they didn't realize that it was not the game 1042 00:55:19,887 --> 00:55:21,870 and you're gonna get killed, or you gonna 1043 00:55:21,870 --> 00:55:24,098 get the other people in trouble. 1044 00:55:26,037 --> 00:55:27,620 Stop, stop, stop. 1045 00:55:28,688 --> 00:55:32,214 No, no, no. 1046 00:55:32,214 --> 00:55:33,330 What do you mean, no, no, no. 1047 00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:35,590 Every time Mustafa, no, no, no. 1048 00:55:35,590 --> 00:55:38,411 Everyone else 1049 00:55:39,350 --> 00:55:42,150 Some of these guys being the one that you are gonna 1050 00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:44,890 be fighting alongside of, you are gonna have to depend 1051 00:55:44,890 --> 00:55:48,980 on him to return fire while you reloaded your magazine, 1052 00:55:48,980 --> 00:55:52,162 or spotted, you know, movement coming towards you, 1053 00:55:52,162 --> 00:55:55,030 or any kinda situation like that, 1054 00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:58,330 it was definitely a concern that some of those guys 1055 00:55:58,330 --> 00:55:59,810 that were there for the wrong reason, 1056 00:55:59,810 --> 00:56:04,603 being able to perform like that under pressure. 1057 00:56:06,330 --> 00:56:07,610 Hold it for me. 1058 00:56:07,610 --> 00:56:08,903 Stay still, Jesus. 1059 00:56:10,649 --> 00:56:13,437 At the moment, I'm doing security for him. 1060 00:56:22,249 --> 00:56:25,797 Which is kind of weird 'cause I mean, 1061 00:56:25,797 --> 00:56:29,418 I'd like to smash the, fucking smash the shit out of him. 1062 00:56:29,418 --> 00:56:32,510 I would've liked to kick him right in his fucking mouth. 1063 00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:35,090 So, why'd you start fucking bullshitting me motherfucker? 1064 00:56:35,090 --> 00:56:36,440 Huh? 1065 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,020 How many fuckers did you rape? 1066 00:56:38,020 --> 00:56:39,920 Bitch, how about that? 1067 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,960 Now, which do you wanna fucking do, motherfucker? 1068 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,632 You wanna start telling the truth, 1069 00:56:44,632 --> 00:56:46,920 or do you wanna start fucking lying? 1070 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,220 Which do you fucking want? 1071 00:56:50,024 --> 00:56:50,857 They were going to war, 1072 00:56:50,857 --> 00:56:53,080 let's not make bones about this. 1073 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,810 There's one air strike. 1074 00:56:54,810 --> 00:56:57,517 You know he had no formal military training, at all. 1075 00:56:59,660 --> 00:57:02,893 And you can't guarantee what your mental status will be 1076 00:57:02,893 --> 00:57:05,240 in a situation like that, until you've actually been 1077 00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:06,534 in a situation like that. 1078 00:57:08,540 --> 00:57:10,417 We killed a lot of people fighting Daesh. 1079 00:57:10,417 --> 00:57:12,960 And we just put all the bodies together, 1080 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,050 just left 'em there to rot. 1081 00:57:14,050 --> 00:57:16,450 And the dogs would come very often and eat them. 1082 00:57:17,630 --> 00:57:19,030 Which is rather fitting for them to go that way, 1083 00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:20,493 actually if you ask me. 1084 00:57:21,630 --> 00:57:25,300 He thought it was just perfect that the dogs 1085 00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:28,210 were eating the heads of the ISIS fighters. 1086 00:57:28,210 --> 00:57:33,210 So here you see that within this man is some real rage. 1087 00:57:34,190 --> 00:57:38,430 It's not exactly the reaction that everyone would have 1088 00:57:38,430 --> 00:57:43,070 to seeing a human being's head being eaten by a dog. 1089 00:57:43,070 --> 00:57:43,903 Yeah, Raqqa. 1090 00:57:43,903 --> 00:57:47,496 Me and you, you fucking dirty motherfucker. 1091 00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,190 Oh, oh, you forgot the piece of shit. 1092 00:57:52,190 --> 00:57:54,083 You forgot the piece of fucking shit. 1093 00:58:04,020 --> 00:58:06,960 Jordan Matson said that Michael Enright 1094 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,860 was bragging about taking part of combat, 1095 00:58:09,860 --> 00:58:12,810 which he never did because he didn't have a weapon 1096 00:58:12,810 --> 00:58:14,193 he could actually use. 1097 00:58:15,302 --> 00:58:17,500 Did they really take the bolt out of his AK? 1098 00:58:17,500 --> 00:58:20,410 Yes, sir a man from New Zealand, 1099 00:58:20,410 --> 00:58:22,805 he will confirm that to you as well. 1100 00:58:22,805 --> 00:58:24,100 He just went on, it was never ending. 1101 00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:26,980 These accusations that the Kurds wanted to kill him. 1102 00:58:26,980 --> 00:58:28,660 And then he'd say that Mike was disrespecting 1103 00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:30,360 other westerners for his own gain. 1104 00:58:31,810 --> 00:58:34,110 I was told he sold the story of Reece Harding, 1105 00:58:34,110 --> 00:58:36,350 who recently died, he sold some pictures 1106 00:58:36,350 --> 00:58:38,503 to Australian Channel 7. 1107 00:58:39,468 --> 00:58:41,480 Reece Harding was a friend of mine. 1108 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,463 And he steps on a mine. 1109 00:58:47,228 --> 00:58:51,490 And I had this footage of him and he'd just been killed. 1110 00:58:51,490 --> 00:58:54,260 Matson had said, I got paid to give that. 1111 00:58:54,260 --> 00:58:56,663 And he just wouldn't stop. 1112 00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,815 So the question is, are all these accusations true? 1113 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:12,440 I met Jordan Matson on the way over to Syria. 1114 00:59:12,580 --> 00:59:16,650 He found out that I was an actor 1115 00:59:16,650 --> 00:59:19,050 and he said some disparaging remarks about that. 1116 00:59:20,088 --> 00:59:23,540 "Oh, that's all we need, you know, an actor out here." 1117 00:59:23,540 --> 00:59:26,910 And it was no big deal, and we went and we played chess 1118 00:59:26,910 --> 00:59:30,030 and he beat me, which means he's good, 1119 00:59:30,030 --> 00:59:32,310 'cause I'm quite good chess player. 1120 00:59:32,310 --> 00:59:34,300 Matson had a little bit of military service. 1121 00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:36,170 I think he served for about a year. 1122 00:59:36,170 --> 00:59:38,070 It's a little unclear of why he was 1123 00:59:38,070 --> 00:59:39,350 no longer in the U.S. Army. 1124 00:59:39,350 --> 00:59:42,480 It sounds like the U.S. Army put him out of the army. 1125 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,210 After just a year in the army, 1126 00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:47,690 Matson says he was forced to leave in 2007 1127 00:59:47,690 --> 00:59:49,410 due to emotional stress. 1128 00:59:49,410 --> 00:59:52,120 I couldn't go back because they said I had PTSD. 1129 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:53,720 You have to understand Jordan Matson 1130 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,800 was someone who were in the American army, 1131 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,530 but was never deployed and was there 1132 00:59:58,530 --> 01:00:00,070 for a short amount of time. 1133 01:00:00,070 --> 01:00:02,869 In 2014, when we created this new 1134 01:00:02,869 --> 01:00:04,730 international volunteer slide, 1135 01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:06,860 Jordan Matson was the face that we used 1136 01:00:06,860 --> 01:00:08,550 in the international media. 1137 01:00:08,550 --> 01:00:10,450 On the ground tonight is Jordan Matson, 1138 01:00:10,450 --> 01:00:12,317 a former U.S. soldier who went to fight against 1139 01:00:12,317 --> 01:00:15,550 the Islamic State with the Kurds in Northern Syria. 1140 01:00:15,550 --> 01:00:19,430 So how did people react to you when they see you 1141 01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:21,080 and realize you're from the U.S.? 1142 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,916 They ask me if I'll come over for dinner 1143 01:00:23,916 --> 01:00:25,157 and stay the night at their house. 1144 01:00:25,157 --> 01:00:28,730 And this guy has started to spread lies 1145 01:00:28,730 --> 01:00:31,040 about Michael, saying that, oh, you're an actor. 1146 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,250 You're just here for the photos 1147 01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:34,479 and the Kurds did not like him, 1148 01:00:34,479 --> 01:00:37,352 or that he was an unstable person, 1149 01:00:37,352 --> 01:00:40,730 that they had taken the bolt out of his gun. 1150 01:00:40,730 --> 01:00:44,283 The danger of not having a firing pin in your weapon is, 1151 01:00:45,290 --> 01:00:48,040 hell, you think you have a functional weapon. 1152 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,580 It would be essentially driving your car 1153 01:00:49,580 --> 01:00:51,360 and your brakes don't work. 1154 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,873 I mean, you basically send someone in a lion's den unarmed. 1155 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,360 We don't send anyone to the front lines 1156 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,177 without a bullets which they can use to kill 1157 01:01:01,177 --> 01:01:02,780 and to protect themselves. 1158 01:01:02,780 --> 01:01:07,220 We don't send, especially an international volunteer 1159 01:01:07,220 --> 01:01:08,520 from Hollywood. 1160 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,680 So, first thing he did, he came to check in, 1161 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:11,690 he showed me his gun. 1162 01:01:11,690 --> 01:01:13,349 And I checked it, the bolt was there, 1163 01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:14,269 detonation was there, 1164 01:01:14,269 --> 01:01:15,520 so it was a fully functioning Kalashnikov. 1165 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,463 And this story was bullshit. 1166 01:01:18,730 --> 01:01:20,220 As for Matson's claim that Michael 1167 01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:22,040 was there for a career boost 1168 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,100 or to film himself doing cool stuff, 1169 01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:27,300 you have to remember it was the YPG 1170 01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:29,743 that asked Michael to film. 1171 01:01:31,150 --> 01:01:33,790 When I first came here in March, 1172 01:01:33,790 --> 01:01:36,400 beginning of March in 2015, 1173 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,120 one of the leaders, he asked me to do this job, 1174 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:45,120 which was to work with a headcam and to film. 1175 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,260 And I said, "I came to fight." 1176 01:01:47,260 --> 01:01:48,640 I said, "Do I get to still fight?" 1177 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,140 And he said, "You have a gun. 1178 01:01:51,140 --> 01:01:52,207 It's not a violin." 1179 01:01:53,570 --> 01:01:56,690 I thought, I said, "Where would you like me to film?" 1180 01:01:56,690 --> 01:01:59,720 He said, "Anywhere there's fighting." 1181 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,750 And I knew from talking to some of the westerns already 1182 01:02:03,618 --> 01:02:05,463 that one of the frustrations that the westerners had 1183 01:02:05,463 --> 01:02:08,110 is that they didn't get to fight sometimes. 1184 01:02:08,110 --> 01:02:10,200 I said, "Am I going to different tabors?" 1185 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:11,680 You know different units. 1186 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,340 He said, "Yeah, one unit is not fighting, 1187 01:02:13,340 --> 01:02:14,949 you go to the other one." 1188 01:02:14,949 --> 01:02:17,213 I thought, oh, ding. 1189 01:02:17,213 --> 01:02:19,500 But to do it, he gave me a note. 1190 01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:23,830 And what that note says is allow me to go 1191 01:02:27,540 --> 01:02:29,620 back and forth to the front. 1192 01:02:29,620 --> 01:02:31,230 And so it gives me freedom of movement 1193 01:02:31,230 --> 01:02:32,980 that really no other westerner has. 1194 01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:37,460 I'm not surprised at all that Michael was given the task 1195 01:02:37,460 --> 01:02:41,970 by the YPG and YPJ to actually utilize his skills, 1196 01:02:41,970 --> 01:02:43,284 tell their story. 1197 01:02:43,284 --> 01:02:45,533 And I'm very glad he did. 1198 01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,967 Michael's reputation with us at the YPG, us Kurds, 1199 01:03:06,967 --> 01:03:08,570 was actually very good. 1200 01:03:08,570 --> 01:03:11,110 And to see that you have left Hollywood, 1201 01:03:11,110 --> 01:03:13,550 you have left your name that you have created 1202 01:03:13,550 --> 01:03:16,727 throughout years to come to just give it away like that 1203 01:03:16,727 --> 01:03:19,490 for people who doesn't even know your face and name, 1204 01:03:19,490 --> 01:03:20,493 that's honorable. 1205 01:03:21,580 --> 01:03:22,413 So tell us what happened. 1206 01:03:22,413 --> 01:03:24,330 You was just walking along and you 1207 01:03:24,330 --> 01:03:26,213 and your mate found this mine, huh? 1208 01:03:28,060 --> 01:03:30,070 And how about the accusation that Michael had profited 1209 01:03:30,070 --> 01:03:34,180 by selling footage of a fallen Australian soldier. 1210 01:03:34,180 --> 01:03:36,620 New video has emerged showing the Gold Coast's 1211 01:03:36,620 --> 01:03:39,030 Reece Harding in his final days. 1212 01:03:39,030 --> 01:03:40,600 Clearing landmines placed 1213 01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,000 by Islamic State militants in Syria. 1214 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,440 Obtained by 7News, this soldier's helmet cam 1215 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,280 records the 23-year-old Australian 1216 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,167 known to his Kurdish mates as Heval Bagok. 1217 01:03:52,167 --> 01:03:55,270 When I had that footage of Reece, 1218 01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:57,480 I find out he died and made a lot of inquiries, 1219 01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,270 and I find out his mom and dad they live in Australia, 1220 01:04:00,270 --> 01:04:01,750 Michelle and Keith. 1221 01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:04,620 And I've got footage of her son 1222 01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:08,980 and I found out her details and ask her 1223 01:04:08,980 --> 01:04:10,530 if she wants this footage or not. 1224 01:04:10,530 --> 01:04:12,120 And I sent it to her and she got back to me, 1225 01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:12,953 thank you for that. 1226 01:04:12,953 --> 01:04:14,410 And I said, "Listen," I said, 1227 01:04:14,410 --> 01:04:18,440 do you want me to release this to the media in Australia? 1228 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,300 Because I think he's an Australian hero." 1229 01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:21,830 I said, "Well, if you don't, I won't." 1230 01:04:21,830 --> 01:04:24,280 And she said, "Honor him everywhere." 1231 01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:25,250 I said, "Okay." 1232 01:04:25,250 --> 01:04:28,410 So I gave it to, I think it was Channel 7 over there. 1233 01:04:28,410 --> 01:04:29,617 I just gave it to them and said, 1234 01:04:29,617 --> 01:04:30,860 "The only reason you've got it is 'cause 1235 01:04:30,860 --> 01:04:32,970 she gave me permission to give it you." 1236 01:04:56,067 --> 01:04:59,317 I am very glad for all the volunteers who joined us, 1237 01:04:59,317 --> 01:05:02,630 but there are also a lot of difference between them. 1238 01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:03,680 From what I have read, 1239 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,190 the reports from my own fellow commanders, 1240 01:05:06,190 --> 01:05:09,270 Jordan is not someone who was known by us 1241 01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:10,840 as someone who was truthful. 1242 01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,490 And Jordan Matson's lies it still sticks 1243 01:05:13,490 --> 01:05:15,630 with a lot international volunteers, 1244 01:05:15,630 --> 01:05:19,740 and unfortunately the news, especially in the western light, 1245 01:05:19,740 --> 01:05:20,573 what they see. 1246 01:05:20,573 --> 01:05:22,430 So you have one guy who's tall 1247 01:05:22,430 --> 01:05:24,390 and who looks handsome in the news, 1248 01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:25,670 and people fall for that. 1249 01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:27,590 Then you have someone who is more older 1250 01:05:27,590 --> 01:05:29,103 and people like, oh, you haven't done 1251 01:05:29,103 --> 01:05:31,980 what this Rambo-looking guy has done. 1252 01:05:31,980 --> 01:05:34,373 Well, the truth is it's totally opposite. 1253 01:05:35,470 --> 01:05:38,420 I wrote the Daily Mail a long letter 1254 01:05:38,420 --> 01:05:41,940 about how they got the story completely wrong. 1255 01:05:41,940 --> 01:05:45,650 And how in the world could they take a Facebook post 1256 01:05:45,650 --> 01:05:47,453 and destroy somebody's life with it. 1257 01:05:51,575 --> 01:05:53,330 I just started to pray for him. 1258 01:05:53,330 --> 01:05:55,020 And I didn't stop praying for him. 1259 01:05:55,020 --> 01:05:57,870 I never stopped praying for Jordan Matson. 1260 01:05:57,870 --> 01:05:59,230 I prayed for him all the time. 1261 01:05:59,230 --> 01:06:00,970 I prayed every day. 1262 01:06:00,970 --> 01:06:03,600 I don't think Matson knows Michael. 1263 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,600 And if he did, he wouldn't be saying those things about him. 1264 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,960 I'm glad to see that Matson's story 1265 01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,670 has been completely dismissed 1266 01:06:12,670 --> 01:06:15,743 and found to be the outright lies that they are. 1267 01:06:17,570 --> 01:06:21,420 Just because Mike may have dimmed his shine 1268 01:06:21,420 --> 01:06:24,640 or may have put him in the back seat or the back burner, 1269 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,480 it does not give him the right to say the things 1270 01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,833 that he said and to do what he did. 1271 01:06:32,650 --> 01:06:35,810 I think the guy's personally just a piece of shit. 1272 01:06:35,810 --> 01:06:37,040 I'm a veteran in the U.S. Army. 1273 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,120 And we don't talk about each other in the press. 1274 01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,050 We don't talk about each other on social media. 1275 01:06:42,050 --> 01:06:45,040 This is a brotherhood and I may be retired, 1276 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,940 but I still know how to work my hands. 1277 01:06:48,210 --> 01:06:51,763 So if you talk shit about people that I know, that I love, 1278 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,710 then you must be prepared to back it up. 1279 01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:56,780 And if you fall on your sword for some bullshit 1280 01:06:56,780 --> 01:06:57,840 then you gotta be prepared for me 1281 01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,280 to walk over your fucking dead body. 1282 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,893 And that's how I feel about people talking shit about Mike. 1283 01:07:11,518 --> 01:07:12,900 But you know what really pissed me off 1284 01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:16,440 about the Matson thing is it ended up it was just jealousy, 1285 01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,440 and pettiness, and gossip. 1286 01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,670 And it just distracted from the real crisis, 1287 01:07:20,670 --> 01:07:22,320 the real reason I was over there. 1288 01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,460 The fact that ISIS was killing these 1289 01:07:24,460 --> 01:07:27,230 innocent Kurds and Yazidis. 1290 01:07:27,230 --> 01:07:30,150 I wasn't there to do tittle tattle and internet gossip. 1291 01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:32,113 I was there to kill ISIS. 1292 01:07:32,970 --> 01:07:35,250 The fighting in Syria was horrendous. 1293 01:07:35,250 --> 01:07:37,200 It was dark. 1294 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:38,390 It was confusing. 1295 01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:39,690 It was nightmarish. 1296 01:07:39,690 --> 01:07:41,820 It was chaotic. 1297 01:07:41,820 --> 01:07:44,870 Our nostrils were full of the smell of the dead, 1298 01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:47,360 the smell of the air strikes. 1299 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:48,800 The mortars were just constant. 1300 01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,200 The snipers were everywhere. 1301 01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:52,820 It was pretty full on. 1302 01:07:52,820 --> 01:07:55,320 And this was the start of the big push into Raqqa. 1303 01:07:58,190 --> 01:08:00,610 And number one operation we were moving out 1304 01:08:00,610 --> 01:08:02,063 and I was in the mortar pit. 1305 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,600 We were firing mortars and trying to get their position 1306 01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,250 and they were mortaring trying to get our mortar pit. 1307 01:08:09,410 --> 01:08:11,620 And some of the Kurds were going 'round the corner 1308 01:08:11,620 --> 01:08:14,423 to start an operation, they were walking past. 1309 01:08:15,353 --> 01:08:17,640 And one of the YPJ said hi to me. 1310 01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,120 She said, "Hey, Mustafa." 1311 01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:20,480 And I recognized her. 1312 01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:21,313 She went, hi. 1313 01:08:21,313 --> 01:08:22,890 And I said, "Oh, hey." 1314 01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:27,120 And I said hi to her and within five seconds 1315 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:28,980 of her saying hi to me 1316 01:08:31,660 --> 01:08:33,490 one of the ISIS mortars came in, 1317 01:08:33,490 --> 01:08:35,580 injured one of them very badly 1318 01:08:35,580 --> 01:08:37,623 and killed the guy in front of her. 1319 01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:43,403 So, that was a mortar that just came at us, this time. 1320 01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:45,910 So we're gonna move out of the way here. 1321 01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:47,160 Someone just got injured. 1322 01:08:48,463 --> 01:08:52,305 Oh, we just got a really bad injury right now, fuck. 1323 01:08:55,940 --> 01:08:59,420 And Ciya, boom, was right over there. 1324 01:08:59,420 --> 01:09:00,470 Picked up the guy. 1325 01:09:00,470 --> 01:09:02,200 We didn't know, 'cause you don't know whether he's dead 1326 01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,370 or he's just badly injured. 1327 01:09:04,370 --> 01:09:05,961 Ran him back. 1328 01:09:29,667 --> 01:09:30,967 You never get over that. 1329 01:09:32,776 --> 01:09:34,403 I mean, one minute there's your heval, 1330 01:09:34,403 --> 01:09:36,763 who's been in the trenches next to you. 1331 01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,190 And then next minute, they're carrying his body out. 1332 01:09:40,190 --> 01:09:41,023 He's dead. 1333 01:09:42,510 --> 01:09:43,883 It gets to you, you know. 1334 01:09:45,157 --> 01:09:47,143 And it got to everybody, I think. 1335 01:09:50,577 --> 01:09:53,290 But Ciya was the guy who knew what to say, 1336 01:09:53,290 --> 01:09:54,347 to all of us. 1337 01:10:44,190 --> 01:10:46,990 Speaking with Michael about some of his time in Syria, 1338 01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:49,870 I mean, some of the things he saw, 1339 01:10:49,870 --> 01:10:52,094 I don't know how he coped with it. 1340 01:10:52,094 --> 01:10:53,610 I don't know if I could have coped with it. 1341 01:10:53,610 --> 01:10:57,210 So, two children have just been killed an hour ago. 1342 01:10:57,210 --> 01:10:59,970 They found some unexploded mines. 1343 01:10:59,970 --> 01:11:01,891 You could hardly tell, can you imagine. 1344 01:11:01,891 --> 01:11:03,950 It's no wonder kids, you know, 1345 01:11:03,950 --> 01:11:07,684 they're playing in their streets that they live in. 1346 01:11:07,684 --> 01:11:08,517 And they got an eight-year-old 1347 01:11:08,517 --> 01:11:09,880 and a four-year-old who are dead. 1348 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,967 One hour ago were quite happy, were playing. 1349 01:11:11,967 --> 01:11:15,073 And then, you know, they stand on the Daesh mine. 1350 01:11:17,533 --> 01:11:19,750 Just the pain that the Kurds 1351 01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:22,530 and the Arabs of that region have had 1352 01:11:22,530 --> 01:11:25,853 is unbelievable, unbelievable. 1353 01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,763 Look at that, little baby. 1354 01:11:28,763 --> 01:11:30,665 Look at that, little baby. 1355 01:11:30,665 --> 01:11:31,498 Oi! 1356 01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,093 Woke up this morning, playing. 1357 01:11:38,270 --> 01:11:40,549 Have a good look at that Daesh. 1358 01:11:40,549 --> 01:11:41,382 Have a good look at that. 1359 01:11:41,382 --> 01:11:43,383 That's the grandfather there, that's the grandfather. 1360 01:11:43,383 --> 01:11:45,059 Have a good look at that. 1361 01:11:45,898 --> 01:11:47,731 That's what you did. 1362 01:11:49,454 --> 01:11:50,510 Now we're gonna go outside 1363 01:11:50,510 --> 01:11:52,703 and see all these female relatives. 1364 01:11:54,890 --> 01:11:58,020 And it just, the pain that they receive is just, 1365 01:11:58,020 --> 01:12:01,720 it's insurmountable and it breaks your heart. 1366 01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:02,947 You know, it breaks your heart. 1367 01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:04,743 Oh mama. 1368 01:12:05,576 --> 01:12:06,490 Mama. 1369 01:12:08,648 --> 01:12:10,453 Oh, ma, mama, mama. 1370 01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,707 God help you, darling, God help you, God help you. 1371 01:12:15,707 --> 01:12:18,323 And I looked at her and I just was like, wow, 1372 01:12:19,230 --> 01:12:20,950 just like, wow. 1373 01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:22,803 What do you say to somebody like that? 1374 01:12:26,708 --> 01:12:29,450 Oh, bro, I don't have any words to say to you, 1375 01:12:29,450 --> 01:12:31,630 but brother, God bless you. 1376 01:12:31,630 --> 01:12:33,270 God bless you, man. 1377 01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:36,560 Oh Lord, help this, help this fella right now. 1378 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,187 Oh Lord, help him. 1379 01:12:38,187 --> 01:12:39,020 In the name Lord, help him. 1380 01:12:48,326 --> 01:12:51,735 When something like that happens makes you really determined 1381 01:12:51,735 --> 01:12:55,323 to end Daesh, to kill them. 1382 01:12:56,590 --> 01:12:58,830 An integral part of understanding 1383 01:12:58,830 --> 01:13:03,220 the Michael Enright story is understanding the love affair 1384 01:13:03,220 --> 01:13:06,780 that he ends up having with the Kurdish people. 1385 01:13:06,780 --> 01:13:10,080 And when he's over there in Syria, 1386 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:15,080 he is going to his default, which is to entertain people. 1387 01:13:16,340 --> 01:13:20,290 So in these quiet moments, in between battles, 1388 01:13:20,290 --> 01:13:22,840 he's doing magic tricks for the kids. 1389 01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:23,760 Watch, watch. 1390 01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,623 And they laugh. 1391 01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,920 That was for him, this huge victory, 1392 01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,300 because he didn't just want to go over there 1393 01:13:32,300 --> 01:13:33,960 and fight for the Kurds. 1394 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:38,240 He wanted them to appreciate it and to like him personally. 1395 01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,623 Hocus pocus. 1396 01:13:41,621 --> 01:13:43,030 Wow! 1397 01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:43,990 Give me five. 1398 01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:45,212 Give me five. 1399 01:13:45,212 --> 01:13:47,970 Boom, boom, boom, boom. 1400 01:13:47,970 --> 01:13:52,930 Sometimes you see little glimpses of Michael, 1401 01:13:52,930 --> 01:13:57,930 perhaps trying to right some historical wrong. 1402 01:13:58,430 --> 01:14:00,130 Salamu alaykum. 1403 01:14:00,130 --> 01:14:03,890 And provide this happy place for these children 1404 01:14:03,890 --> 01:14:06,570 in very dark circumstances, 1405 01:14:06,570 --> 01:14:11,063 that he didn't have in his own childhood. 1406 01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,500 He was treated violently by his father, 1407 01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:18,630 so when he saw other victims, 1408 01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:22,320 when he saw the foul acts of ISIS, 1409 01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,680 he was saying to himself and to the world, 1410 01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,250 no, I won't let this happen. 1411 01:14:28,250 --> 01:14:29,820 I will stand for justice. 1412 01:14:29,820 --> 01:14:31,610 I will stand for victims. 1413 01:14:31,610 --> 01:14:33,143 I will be a man. 1414 01:14:34,660 --> 01:14:38,653 And a man not like my father, I will use violence for good. 1415 01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,340 Mike is a real frontline soldier. 1416 01:14:43,340 --> 01:14:44,290 The proof's in the pudding. 1417 01:14:44,290 --> 01:14:47,720 I mean, he has a headcam, I mean there's footage out. 1418 01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,453 You can't fake the funk on that. 1419 01:14:50,850 --> 01:14:54,470 And there's something else about this. 1420 01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:59,470 He in his own mind decides that he's willing to die, 1421 01:15:02,130 --> 01:15:06,003 not just willing to die, but expects to die. 1422 01:15:07,070 --> 01:15:10,380 It's a very different thing to be scared of dying 1423 01:15:12,180 --> 01:15:13,863 and to expect to die. 1424 01:15:14,860 --> 01:15:17,483 Michael expected to die. 1425 01:15:19,210 --> 01:15:22,300 I was on an operation once, we'd taken Mahmoodalay 1426 01:15:22,300 --> 01:15:25,410 and we were going into Sudea and it was a big village, 1427 01:15:25,410 --> 01:15:26,710 and there were civilians, 1428 01:15:26,710 --> 01:15:29,009 which always complicates things. 1429 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,260 I keep walking and I see a little boy. 1430 01:15:36,260 --> 01:15:38,220 And he was white. 1431 01:15:38,220 --> 01:15:40,190 He's scared this one, he's scared. 1432 01:15:45,710 --> 01:15:49,620 But everything about this, my intuition was saying, 1433 01:15:49,620 --> 01:15:50,980 there's something wrong here. 1434 01:15:50,980 --> 01:15:54,570 And one of the soldiers puts his gun down. 1435 01:15:54,570 --> 01:15:57,900 Well, if you're a soldier and you put your gun down, 1436 01:15:57,900 --> 01:15:59,690 that means it's okay. 1437 01:15:59,690 --> 01:16:02,510 So I go over and I see this beautiful little boy. 1438 01:16:02,510 --> 01:16:04,410 So I put my gun down and I tried to do 1439 01:16:04,410 --> 01:16:06,767 a magic trick for him. 1440 01:16:06,767 --> 01:16:09,180 And he's not having it and he's crying. 1441 01:16:09,180 --> 01:16:12,384 And so my intuition was going, there's a problem here, 1442 01:16:12,384 --> 01:16:14,569 there's a problem here, there's a problem here, 1443 01:16:14,569 --> 01:16:17,040 there's a problem here, and it kept on getting louder, 1444 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,100 but I would see them asking for water. 1445 01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:20,927 And it was just like, well, maybe it's okay. 1446 01:16:20,927 --> 01:16:23,280 And I start telling him in Arabic, 1447 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,919 I ask her, his mom, his name. 1448 01:16:32,440 --> 01:16:34,540 And now, I'm a little further from my gun. 1449 01:16:35,390 --> 01:16:36,370 Huge mistake. 1450 01:16:36,370 --> 01:16:38,840 When I saw the other soldier put the gun down, 1451 01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:40,500 I shouldn't have done it, mistake. 1452 01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:44,110 So I turn the camera off and literally within four seconds 1453 01:16:44,110 --> 01:16:47,753 of me turning the camera off all hell lets rip. 1454 01:16:50,639 --> 01:16:53,253 Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar! 1455 01:16:53,253 --> 01:16:55,600 And all the civilians go, argh! 1456 01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,290 All the women run, all the civilians freakin' run. 1457 01:16:58,290 --> 01:16:59,540 So it's an ambush, we got ambushed. 1458 01:16:59,540 --> 01:17:01,370 And I can't get to my gun 1459 01:17:01,370 --> 01:17:03,640 because all the machine gun bullets are all coming 1460 01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,280 right around my gun. 1461 01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,460 And my unit have looked up and they just go wham. 1462 01:17:08,460 --> 01:17:09,293 And they run. 1463 01:17:09,293 --> 01:17:11,180 So I just went inside this little room. 1464 01:17:11,180 --> 01:17:14,170 Well, now, I'm in an ISIS house, 1465 01:17:14,170 --> 01:17:16,057 with ISIS soldiers all around me, 1466 01:17:16,057 --> 01:17:17,860 and my Kalash is outside. 1467 01:17:17,860 --> 01:17:20,360 And it was the scariest time of my life. 1468 01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:21,490 Not that I was gonna die, 1469 01:17:21,490 --> 01:17:23,610 but I knew I was gonna get tortured. 1470 01:17:23,610 --> 01:17:25,220 Had Michael been captured 1471 01:17:25,220 --> 01:17:27,920 at any point during his involvement with YPG, 1472 01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:32,110 his certain death would not been a quick one. 1473 01:17:32,110 --> 01:17:35,070 The media was full of orange boiler suits and beheadings, 1474 01:17:35,070 --> 01:17:36,260 and to put it lightly they were getting 1475 01:17:36,260 --> 01:17:38,620 quite imaginative towards the end. 1476 01:17:38,620 --> 01:17:40,183 He would have been a showcase. 1477 01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:45,143 It was all emotion, I was just petrified of torture. 1478 01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:48,720 But then something happened. 1479 01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,220 The Brits and the Americans had not give us enough equipment 1480 01:17:51,220 --> 01:17:53,030 so that we could all have a grenade each, 1481 01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:55,760 but I'd taken one off ISIS. 1482 01:17:55,760 --> 01:18:00,030 All of this is all from Daesh, including those grenades. 1483 01:18:00,030 --> 01:18:03,710 And so, I'm gonna nab one of them. 1484 01:18:03,710 --> 01:18:07,800 We'd come across ISIS, and I'd taken a grenade. 1485 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:11,143 And as soon as I realized that I pulled the grenade out. 1486 01:18:12,056 --> 01:18:14,050 You'll have to forgive me for those people who are atheists 1487 01:18:14,050 --> 01:18:17,620 or agnostics, but I felt the grace of God 1488 01:18:17,620 --> 01:18:22,620 just go shh, all over me. 1489 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,500 And I wasn't scared anymore. 1490 01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:27,530 I remember at one point I actually 1491 01:18:27,530 --> 01:18:29,040 turned the camera on myself 1492 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,440 because I thought I might not make it out of here. 1493 01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:33,140 But I thought even if they come in, 1494 01:18:33,140 --> 01:18:36,300 maybe the SD card from the camera might survive 1495 01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:38,720 and at least people get to know what happened to me. 1496 01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:40,850 So I just held the grenade under my head, 1497 01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:43,310 put my finger in the pin and I was gonna time it, 1498 01:18:43,310 --> 01:18:45,320 so that by the time they got over to me, 1499 01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:49,420 it would have been Allahu Akbar, God is great, 1500 01:18:49,420 --> 01:18:51,560 and you're going to hell you bitch. 1501 01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,760 What might have been going through Michael's mind 1502 01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:57,940 as he was hiding with a grenade to his throat, 1503 01:18:57,940 --> 01:18:59,410 and why would he do that? 1504 01:18:59,410 --> 01:19:02,550 Why would he think of taking his own life? 1505 01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:04,710 It's one thing to die. 1506 01:19:04,710 --> 01:19:07,300 It's a quite another thing to die in the way 1507 01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:09,350 that ISIS would have you die. 1508 01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:13,320 That's a much worse alternative than letting the pin go 1509 01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:14,720 and blowing yourself up. 1510 01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:19,720 Dying in a full consciousness that you've done 1511 01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:21,700 what you set out to do. 1512 01:19:21,700 --> 01:19:23,890 That's not a bad way to die. 1513 01:19:23,890 --> 01:19:25,387 Altogether, I was trapped in that house 1514 01:19:25,387 --> 01:19:27,850 with a grenade at my head 19 hours. 1515 01:19:27,850 --> 01:19:30,520 And then the next morning sunrise. 1516 01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,380 6:30, they're not coming in yet. 1517 01:19:32,380 --> 01:19:34,360 Seven o'clock, they're not coming in yet. 1518 01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,200 7:30, they're not coming in yet. 1519 01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:37,940 Eight o'clock, they're not coming in yet. 1520 01:19:37,940 --> 01:19:41,100 I just thought I gotta go, I'm gonna make a run. 1521 01:19:41,100 --> 01:19:44,480 And I got not very far down and I saw them. 1522 01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:46,110 And they looked like they were in black. 1523 01:19:46,110 --> 01:19:48,110 And they were so far away. 1524 01:19:48,110 --> 01:19:50,290 And I heard 'em go, taeal, taeal, 1525 01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:53,670 which is Arabic for come, come here. 1526 01:19:53,670 --> 01:19:55,940 And so I knew what they was asking me to do 1527 01:19:55,940 --> 01:19:57,157 was come to them. 1528 01:19:57,157 --> 01:19:59,200 Well, that's ISIS, so I'm gonna get tortured 1529 01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:00,033 and killed there. 1530 01:20:00,033 --> 01:20:01,990 So I put my hands up and I started waving my hands 1531 01:20:01,990 --> 01:20:04,640 above my head, but it didn't work. 1532 01:20:09,950 --> 01:20:11,540 They opened up on me and they started shooting. 1533 01:20:11,540 --> 01:20:13,840 And I don't know which way's home. 1534 01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,603 So I run and then I'm just running for my life, you know. 1535 01:20:19,315 --> 01:20:22,398 I've no fucking idea where I'm going. 1536 01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:25,350 And then I make a mistake 1537 01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:27,710 because I turned down the wrong street 1538 01:20:27,710 --> 01:20:30,360 and I hear, taeal, taeal. 1539 01:20:31,290 --> 01:20:33,405 Now they're much closer and it's the same men 1540 01:20:33,405 --> 01:20:34,238 who've just shot at me, and they're only about 1541 01:20:34,238 --> 01:20:36,040 300 meters from me now. 1542 01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,300 And I see two big Cs, two machine guns. 1543 01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:41,757 And so I just immediately turn towards them 1544 01:20:41,757 --> 01:20:45,850 and I'm waving my hands, but I'm walking towards ISIS. 1545 01:20:45,850 --> 01:20:47,310 I'm walking towards Daesh. 1546 01:20:47,310 --> 01:20:52,310 And about 20 yards, I hear from the top of the roof, 1547 01:20:52,620 --> 01:20:53,523 Mustafa, Mustafa. 1548 01:20:56,688 --> 01:21:01,688 I said, 1549 01:21:01,869 --> 01:21:04,550 It was my men, my own men had been shooting at me. 1550 01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:09,550 Well, those people who were asking me to go over there, 1551 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,662 I didn't trust 'em. 1552 01:21:13,662 --> 01:21:15,540 They're my friends. 1553 01:21:15,540 --> 01:21:17,673 So, I've arrived. 1554 01:21:18,580 --> 01:21:20,120 Can you fuckin' believe that? 1555 01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:21,123 Shit, whew! 1556 01:21:22,810 --> 01:21:24,330 I couldn't believe I had done it. 1557 01:21:24,330 --> 01:21:27,140 And immediately, as soon as I knew I was safe, 1558 01:21:27,140 --> 01:21:30,490 my thoughts went, bang, I'm a soldier again. 1559 01:21:30,490 --> 01:21:32,920 And you know what I wanna do now? 1560 01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,670 Get a new gun and go straight back into 1561 01:21:35,670 --> 01:21:37,320 those dirty motherfuckers. 1562 01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,340 That's what I'm gonna do. 1563 01:21:39,340 --> 01:21:40,623 Fuck you Daesh. 1564 01:21:45,381 --> 01:21:47,392 Hey, hey, hey, hey. 1565 01:21:47,392 --> 01:21:52,000 Hi, ya bugger! 1566 01:21:55,455 --> 01:21:57,030 Yay, this is my group. 1567 01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:57,863 That's my group there. 1568 01:21:57,863 --> 01:21:59,956 They all thought I was dead. 1569 01:21:59,956 --> 01:22:01,886 That's the sign of celebration over here. 1570 01:22:06,054 --> 01:22:09,360 I got in, and then as soon as I came back, 1571 01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,434 we captured three ISIS prisoners. 1572 01:22:16,110 --> 01:22:18,530 And that's when I went straight back to soldier mode 1573 01:22:18,530 --> 01:22:20,640 and intelligence searching mode. 1574 01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:23,280 I started searching 'em for intelligence. 1575 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,313 Hey, telephone, telephone? 1576 01:22:26,691 --> 01:22:31,691 He ends up grabbing the cell phones off of ISIS fighters, 1577 01:22:32,090 --> 01:22:33,500 who they encounter. 1578 01:22:33,500 --> 01:22:38,500 He becomes absolutely possessed by finding this information 1579 01:22:39,060 --> 01:22:44,060 that he considers to be the key to getting himself back. 1580 01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:45,850 We think this one is Daesh, yeah? 1581 01:22:45,850 --> 01:22:47,621 Yes. Yeah. 1582 01:22:47,621 --> 01:22:48,538 His phone. 1583 01:22:49,890 --> 01:22:53,252 So, we've just gone through his phone this one. 1584 01:22:53,252 --> 01:22:57,990 And we found Daesh on his phone, like Daesh videos. 1585 01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:59,760 And these are his friends. 1586 01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,140 And that would be one of the ways that you could tell 1587 01:23:02,140 --> 01:23:05,100 if someone was a Daesh soldier or not. 1588 01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:06,629 So we've got another one. 1589 01:23:09,140 --> 01:23:10,607 We handcuffed him, we blindfold him 1590 01:23:10,607 --> 01:23:13,081 and we started interrogating him. 1591 01:23:19,820 --> 01:23:21,020 I always talked to them. 1592 01:23:21,020 --> 01:23:23,220 I always gave 'em crap. 1593 01:23:23,220 --> 01:23:25,510 And I would tell them, you've got a problem now. 1594 01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:26,390 You've got a problem. 1595 01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:28,822 The problem you gave them is your problem now. 1596 01:23:28,822 --> 01:23:33,072 (men speak in a foreign language) 1597 01:23:35,986 --> 01:23:39,486 And that particular one, my Arab friend, 1598 01:23:40,350 --> 01:23:41,770 he wanted to let him go. 1599 01:23:41,770 --> 01:23:44,150 I said, "Laesh," I said, "why?" 1600 01:23:44,150 --> 01:23:45,627 He said, "He's not Daesh." 1601 01:23:45,627 --> 01:23:50,290 And he pulled his trouser leg up and he had tattoos. 1602 01:23:50,290 --> 01:23:51,220 I said, "So what? 1603 01:23:51,220 --> 01:23:52,750 He got the tattoos four years ago 1604 01:23:52,750 --> 01:23:54,250 and he became Daesh three years ago." 1605 01:23:54,250 --> 01:23:56,090 I said, "No, no, no, no, no, no." 1606 01:23:56,090 --> 01:23:58,591 I said, "Take him to the second interrogation." 1607 01:23:58,591 --> 01:24:00,440 And they went, "No, Mustafa, we let him go 1608 01:24:00,440 --> 01:24:01,360 with the refugees." 1609 01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,170 And I said, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no." 1610 01:24:04,170 --> 01:24:05,743 And I really put my foot down. 1611 01:24:06,977 --> 01:24:07,810 Hey. 1612 01:24:09,628 --> 01:24:11,697 Come here, I'm talking to you, come here. 1613 01:24:11,697 --> 01:24:13,970 I'm talking to you, stay up. 1614 01:24:13,970 --> 01:24:16,688 (Michael speaks in a foreign language) 1615 01:24:16,688 --> 01:24:18,320 And it was like I was listening to my intuition 1616 01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:22,830 and my intuition was screaming that this guy is Daesh. 1617 01:24:22,830 --> 01:24:24,350 He said, "Okay, Mustafa, we'll take him 1618 01:24:24,350 --> 01:24:25,430 to the second interrogation." 1619 01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:27,560 And he took him to the second interrogation 1620 01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,667 and Ciya came back and he said, 1621 01:24:29,667 --> 01:24:32,640 "Mustafa, ooh, Mustafa." 1622 01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:34,120 Like you're a smart one. 1623 01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:35,210 And he showed me the picture. 1624 01:24:35,210 --> 01:24:36,810 He was one of the wanted ones. 1625 01:24:44,429 --> 01:24:45,262 That's one of their leaders. 1626 01:24:45,262 --> 01:24:46,750 He was one of the leaders. 1627 01:24:46,750 --> 01:24:49,740 So, that felt good because without me 1628 01:24:49,740 --> 01:24:51,300 he'd have gone to the refugee camp 1629 01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:53,397 instead of the soldiers camp. 1630 01:24:53,397 --> 01:24:54,803 And now we had him. 1631 01:24:55,824 --> 01:25:00,824 (Michael and Ciya speak in a foreign language) 1632 01:25:03,700 --> 01:25:05,590 Let me reiterate that. 1633 01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:08,130 They were gonna let that guy go. 1634 01:25:08,130 --> 01:25:10,920 Michael's the only one insisting he stays. 1635 01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:15,920 And he turns out to be an ISIS commander, an emir. 1636 01:25:16,180 --> 01:25:19,330 That alone should satisfy the DHS directives 1637 01:25:19,330 --> 01:25:20,500 to get them a bad guy 1638 01:25:20,500 --> 01:25:22,372 and Michael should be allowed to come home 1639 01:25:22,372 --> 01:25:23,422 to the United States. 1640 01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:28,100 You know, when I was stopped at the border 1641 01:25:28,100 --> 01:25:31,060 and they said, well, if you can help get bad guy, 1642 01:25:31,060 --> 01:25:32,273 we'll let you come back. 1643 01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,330 I helped get a lot more than one bad guy. 1644 01:25:36,570 --> 01:25:39,000 I helped to get a lotta bad guys. 1645 01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,843 And even then I never left focus of that. 1646 01:25:41,843 --> 01:25:44,390 I never left focus at all. 1647 01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:47,710 It was like, I'm fighting this fight until we get to Raqqa. 1648 01:25:47,710 --> 01:25:50,156 I just wanted to stay focused on that. 1649 01:25:55,480 --> 01:25:57,193 So, now we're pushing into Raqqa. 1650 01:25:58,327 --> 01:25:59,710 On the first day that any troops 1651 01:25:59,710 --> 01:26:04,700 have been in their capital for quite a few years. 1652 01:26:04,700 --> 01:26:08,530 And who knows, somewhere in this city right now 1653 01:26:08,530 --> 01:26:12,693 are a lotta Yazidi women who have been held and gang raped. 1654 01:26:13,550 --> 01:26:16,903 And salvation is on its way. 1655 01:26:18,930 --> 01:26:20,303 Salvation is on its way. 1656 01:26:32,260 --> 01:26:36,100 Raqqa was one of the worst fights 1657 01:26:36,100 --> 01:26:40,293 that the western world has seen for many, many decades. 1658 01:26:42,750 --> 01:26:44,860 Don't underestimate how important this is. 1659 01:26:44,860 --> 01:26:47,010 We're talking the capital of ISIS. 1660 01:26:47,010 --> 01:26:49,450 And the outcome matters to America, Europe, 1661 01:26:49,450 --> 01:26:51,300 and the people who live here. 1662 01:26:51,300 --> 01:26:53,360 Thousands and thousands of fighters died. 1663 01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,120 Thousands of civilians died. 1664 01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,310 And it was just a grind, a slow grind 1665 01:26:57,310 --> 01:26:58,884 to the center of the city. 1666 01:27:05,470 --> 01:27:06,991 That's exactly where we went. 1667 01:27:06,991 --> 01:27:08,512 That's where the Assyrian Kurds went, 1668 01:27:08,512 --> 01:27:10,822 that's where the Yazidis went, 1669 01:27:10,822 --> 01:27:13,473 that's where the YPG went, we all went. 1670 01:27:14,900 --> 01:27:16,677 More than 6,000 ISIS militants 1671 01:27:16,677 --> 01:27:20,390 are still out there, ready to go underground, regroup, 1672 01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:21,683 fight, and die. 1673 01:27:22,900 --> 01:27:26,390 I ended up in an all Yazidi unit and it was for me 1674 01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:28,270 the icing on the cake to fight with them 1675 01:27:28,270 --> 01:27:31,530 because that's one of the reasons why I'd gone, 1676 01:27:31,530 --> 01:27:34,070 because of how they treated the Yazidis. 1677 01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:36,470 I fought with them and I remember fighting a lot 1678 01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:37,650 from this one house. 1679 01:27:37,650 --> 01:27:41,913 We're gonna go here, fourth story up. 1680 01:27:43,176 --> 01:27:46,383 So, that's where we're aiming for, right there. 1681 01:27:46,383 --> 01:27:49,260 And the Yazidis, they went on the roof. 1682 01:27:49,260 --> 01:27:52,500 And they put a big flag, Yazidi flag. 1683 01:27:52,500 --> 01:27:54,900 And they put it up, and in the morning, 1684 01:27:54,900 --> 01:27:57,860 when Daesh saw that their flag had been taken down 1685 01:27:57,860 --> 01:28:02,860 and the Yazidi flag was up, they hit us with everything. 1686 01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,234 We were the point of the spear 1687 01:28:13,234 --> 01:28:15,453 and everything behind us, being us, 1688 01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,430 all of this was all enemy, everywhere. 1689 01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:23,520 So we were getting hit, left, right-hand side, straight on. 1690 01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,473 We got absolutely battered. 1691 01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:30,250 We would move forward and every group 1692 01:28:30,250 --> 01:28:32,630 would break into a structure. 1693 01:28:32,630 --> 01:28:35,360 We would go up to the rooftops with sledgehammers, 1694 01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,203 break holes in the little cinder block walls in there. 1695 01:28:38,203 --> 01:28:41,680 We'd stick our weapons through, set up a defensive position 1696 01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:43,520 and just start lighting up 1697 01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,379 whatever was in front of us to the north. 1698 01:28:49,890 --> 01:28:52,943 We'd fight, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, and then start RPG. 1699 01:28:57,330 --> 01:29:01,100 We'd go in the back and we'd wait until the barrage was over 1700 01:29:01,100 --> 01:29:03,435 and then we'd come back out to give them a barrage. 1701 01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:07,700 And it was just bedlam, 1702 01:29:08,730 --> 01:29:09,953 absolute bedlam. 1703 01:29:17,490 --> 01:29:19,510 Once it was dark, we would leave 1704 01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:22,650 the structures we were in and move forward 1705 01:29:22,650 --> 01:29:26,620 about two or three blocks and break into another structure 1706 01:29:26,620 --> 01:29:30,980 and do the whole thing over and over and over again, 1707 01:29:30,980 --> 01:29:33,534 until we cleared the city out. 1708 01:29:36,940 --> 01:29:40,990 So that's where we met Daesh and we met them in Raqqa. 1709 01:29:40,990 --> 01:29:45,504 And they either ran or they ended up dead. 1710 01:29:53,610 --> 01:29:54,983 Good morning, Raqqa. 1711 01:29:59,620 --> 01:30:00,453 We're going in. 1712 01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:10,770 Tonight, Raqqa liberated. 1713 01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:14,540 The city that was the beating, black heart of ISIS, 1714 01:30:14,540 --> 01:30:15,623 finally free. 1715 01:30:16,700 --> 01:30:19,210 And at the center of the city, a traffic circle 1716 01:30:19,210 --> 01:30:21,770 where the extremists beheaded their enemies, 1717 01:30:21,770 --> 01:30:24,330 where women were sold into slavery. 1718 01:30:24,330 --> 01:30:26,770 Today, the center of victory celebrations 1719 01:30:26,770 --> 01:30:28,553 for the U.S.-backed forces. 1720 01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,133 So that was incredible feeling. 1721 01:30:35,140 --> 01:30:37,343 We were all so proud of what we did. 1722 01:30:39,480 --> 01:30:42,030 That when the devil came out and took a human form, 1723 01:30:43,150 --> 01:30:43,983 we beat them. 1724 01:30:44,830 --> 01:30:45,663 We beat them. 1725 01:31:02,750 --> 01:31:03,700 We won. 1726 01:31:04,980 --> 01:31:09,378 Raqqa is clear. 1727 01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,090 I'm so happy that they're now free 1728 01:31:25,090 --> 01:31:25,923 and they can wear what they want 1729 01:31:25,923 --> 01:31:27,942 and they can show those beautiful faces. 1730 01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:41,450 I feel I'm a part of something very important 1731 01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:47,327 to take their capital off them, off of evil men. 1732 01:31:49,979 --> 01:31:52,812 Yeah, I feel something, something. 1733 01:31:54,540 --> 01:31:57,210 And now it was time to return home. 1734 01:31:57,210 --> 01:31:59,393 And my plan was head back with the intelligence 1735 01:31:59,393 --> 01:32:03,080 that I'd gathered and I'd be allowed to come back home 1736 01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:04,523 to the United States. 1737 01:32:05,542 --> 01:32:07,380 So I flew to Central America 1738 01:32:07,380 --> 01:32:09,960 and I went to the American embassy there. 1739 01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:11,540 And I told them about the deal 1740 01:32:11,540 --> 01:32:14,020 that Laura, the blonde lady offered me 1741 01:32:14,020 --> 01:32:17,313 and the intelligence I'd been sending to Angel Man. 1742 01:32:19,210 --> 01:32:23,030 Angel Man was supposed to be helping Michael 1743 01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:28,030 transfer material that he had collected from ISIS 1744 01:32:28,290 --> 01:32:30,510 to the United States government, 1745 01:32:30,510 --> 01:32:33,467 so the United States government could look at that and say, 1746 01:32:33,467 --> 01:32:37,920 "We're so thankful, Michael, you helped us fight ISIS. 1747 01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,590 We're going to welcome you with open arms." 1748 01:32:41,590 --> 01:32:44,280 I went to the consulate and said, "You know, 1749 01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:45,340 I'd like to come home." 1750 01:32:45,340 --> 01:32:47,890 They gave me like another debriefing. 1751 01:32:47,890 --> 01:32:52,890 And they said, "Do you have any more in intelligence?" 1752 01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:53,793 I said, "Yeah." 1753 01:32:53,793 --> 01:32:55,437 I said, "But you need to let me come home. 1754 01:32:55,437 --> 01:32:56,830 Let me give it you there." 1755 01:32:56,830 --> 01:32:58,340 And they say, "Well, you know, 1756 01:32:58,340 --> 01:33:00,050 we need to talk to your intelligence officer." 1757 01:33:00,050 --> 01:33:00,883 I said, "Okay." 1758 01:33:00,883 --> 01:33:03,800 And then ever since then, every time I call them, 1759 01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:07,200 they say, "We're working on it, we're working on it." 1760 01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:10,550 Angel Man was going to be his savior. 1761 01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:14,833 And now Angel Man has vanished into thin air. 1762 01:33:38,287 --> 01:33:41,287 How does this make you feel? 1763 01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:44,800 It makes me feel a little bit sad. 1764 01:33:46,938 --> 01:33:48,636 It makes me feel sad. 1765 01:33:48,636 --> 01:33:49,570 Why? 1766 01:33:49,570 --> 01:33:51,150 Because I'm not home. 1767 01:33:51,150 --> 01:33:53,177 You know, I'm not, I'm not, 1768 01:33:55,157 --> 01:33:56,623 I'm not where I wanna be. 1769 01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,610 I have been involved with Michael's campaign 1770 01:33:59,610 --> 01:34:02,340 to come home, and when I came back to the states, 1771 01:34:02,340 --> 01:34:05,360 I decided to engage the State Department. 1772 01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:07,190 You know, I had to write the sworn statement 1773 01:34:07,190 --> 01:34:10,000 of how I knew him and what my role was in Syria 1774 01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:13,273 and his role was, and I thought we were making some headway. 1775 01:34:15,370 --> 01:34:17,017 And then I never heard anything back. 1776 01:34:17,017 --> 01:34:19,920 And so I called and then, you know, this is nothing, 1777 01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:20,833 nothing, nothing. 1778 01:34:21,867 --> 01:34:23,410 I don't know who dropped the ball. 1779 01:34:23,410 --> 01:34:25,587 I know I did exactly what I was told to do. 1780 01:34:25,587 --> 01:34:29,390 And I know that I tried my best to do the right things. 1781 01:34:29,390 --> 01:34:30,610 And then I've spoke since then 1782 01:34:30,610 --> 01:34:33,190 to other intelligence officers. 1783 01:34:33,190 --> 01:34:34,960 And basically off the record, they said, 1784 01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:36,310 the person who made you the offer 1785 01:34:36,310 --> 01:34:39,060 didn't really have the, didn't have the right to do that. 1786 01:34:59,547 --> 01:35:00,530 Why would they do that, man? 1787 01:35:00,530 --> 01:35:01,743 We gave them everything. 1788 01:35:03,029 --> 01:35:04,229 We gave them everything. 1789 01:35:06,110 --> 01:35:07,000 They're something, aren't they? 1790 01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,300 These people who make these fucking decisions. 1791 01:35:12,382 --> 01:35:14,450 These pen pushers, you know, bureaucrats 1792 01:35:14,450 --> 01:35:16,750 who make these decisions about people's lives. 1793 01:35:18,580 --> 01:35:19,950 Yeah, it was very disheartening too, 1794 01:35:19,950 --> 01:35:23,160 because the Department of Defense has brought back folks 1795 01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:26,870 that have done way, and I mean way less 1796 01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:29,290 for the United States and the government. 1797 01:35:29,290 --> 01:35:32,760 This is not hard, which is so very frustrating. 1798 01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:34,740 The State Department people can literally say, 1799 01:35:34,740 --> 01:35:36,930 yep, that's Mike, yep, he lived here. 1800 01:35:36,930 --> 01:35:38,100 Yes, he did that. 1801 01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:39,260 And yes, he's here. 1802 01:35:39,260 --> 01:35:41,000 Put him on a plane and bring him home. 1803 01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,143 It's that simple. 1804 01:35:44,829 --> 01:35:46,473 We jumped through every hoop. 1805 01:35:48,090 --> 01:35:49,670 We applied. 1806 01:35:49,670 --> 01:35:52,330 They asked for more paperwork, we gave them. 1807 01:35:52,330 --> 01:35:55,230 They asked for one piece of paperwork, we gave them three. 1808 01:35:56,090 --> 01:35:59,120 It just is a very, very big, 1809 01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:00,670 it's a very hard pill to swallow 1810 01:36:00,670 --> 01:36:04,893 because we did everything that they wanted. 1811 01:36:06,050 --> 01:36:08,793 And it's just like, what more do you want me to do? 1812 01:36:09,780 --> 01:36:11,430 What more do you want me to give? 1813 01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:17,230 I think Michael has a ledger book in his head. 1814 01:36:17,230 --> 01:36:19,860 And in that ledger book is a debt, 1815 01:36:19,860 --> 01:36:23,390 a debt to the United States because it gave him this life 1816 01:36:23,390 --> 01:36:28,020 that he had dreamed of in Los Angeles and acting. 1817 01:36:28,020 --> 01:36:30,980 And the way that he was going to repay that debt 1818 01:36:30,980 --> 01:36:34,510 was to go fight an enemy of the United States. 1819 01:36:34,510 --> 01:36:39,150 And now he has tried to return to deliver that payment, 1820 01:36:39,150 --> 01:36:42,660 that final mortgage payment on that debt, 1821 01:36:42,660 --> 01:36:45,130 and the way he sees it, 1822 01:36:45,130 --> 01:36:48,453 the United States doesn't want to accept payment. 1823 01:36:49,530 --> 01:36:51,953 I'd just be very interested in knowing why. 1824 01:36:57,840 --> 01:36:59,090 Anyway, it is what it is. 1825 01:37:03,830 --> 01:37:04,663 Thanks. 1826 01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:10,710 Now he has no home. 1827 01:37:10,710 --> 01:37:13,100 He has very little money. 1828 01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:18,100 His life has turned into a nightmare exile in Mexico. 1829 01:37:22,930 --> 01:37:25,970 British people that have returned from Syrian Kurdistan 1830 01:37:25,970 --> 01:37:29,070 to the UK have usually been charged 1831 01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,260 and certainly investigated 1832 01:37:33,180 --> 01:37:37,420 on various terrorism-related charges. 1833 01:37:37,420 --> 01:37:40,720 In at least one instance, there was a prison sentence. 1834 01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:42,730 And that's the kind of thing 1835 01:37:42,730 --> 01:37:44,810 that would probably happen to Michael, 1836 01:37:44,810 --> 01:37:46,313 should he return to the UK. 1837 01:37:47,210 --> 01:37:50,090 If I went back to England, I'd go to jail. 1838 01:37:50,090 --> 01:37:52,130 And I'd be charged with terrorism. 1839 01:37:52,130 --> 01:37:53,623 That's why I'm not going back. 1840 01:37:54,770 --> 01:37:56,990 I'm not being arrested for doing something honorable. 1841 01:37:56,990 --> 01:37:59,090 I'm not gonna have that, that's not right. 1842 01:38:00,450 --> 01:38:05,450 Michael's life is not the Hollywood dream anymore. 1843 01:38:06,620 --> 01:38:10,343 The country of his birth, he is afraid to return to. 1844 01:38:11,770 --> 01:38:14,193 He's a person really with no country. 1845 01:38:41,359 --> 01:38:44,530 You know, in many ways it's hard being this close to home 1846 01:38:44,530 --> 01:38:46,827 and not being able to get there. 1847 01:38:46,827 --> 01:38:49,140 But in other ways, I'm blessed 1848 01:38:49,140 --> 01:38:52,120 that everything I've been through and I'm still here. 1849 01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:54,020 I'm still alive. 1850 01:38:54,020 --> 01:38:57,100 Because many of our beautiful men and women 1851 01:38:57,100 --> 01:39:00,263 were lost during this conflict, like Reece, 1852 01:39:02,870 --> 01:39:03,703 and John, 1853 01:39:05,130 --> 01:39:06,580 and my female Captain Molech. 1854 01:39:08,699 --> 01:39:13,287 And of course my good friend, my commander, Heval Ciya. 1855 01:39:16,783 --> 01:39:20,803 Ciya was blown up by a suicide car. 1856 01:39:22,170 --> 01:39:23,720 That was a really difficult one 1857 01:39:26,130 --> 01:39:27,773 because I admired him so much. 1858 01:39:38,036 --> 01:39:39,869 He was an amazing man. 1859 01:39:42,460 --> 01:39:45,640 The Kurds, they've suffered so much, man. 1860 01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:46,490 They've suffered. 1861 01:39:50,500 --> 01:39:51,883 The Americans pulled out. 1862 01:39:52,860 --> 01:39:54,920 All the American soldiers who was with us, 1863 01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:56,200 they didn't wanna pull out. 1864 01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:59,423 All of the American soldiers didn't wanna do that. 1865 01:39:59,423 --> 01:40:01,440 Because they knew what was gonna happen 1866 01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:03,190 when the Americans pulled out. 1867 01:40:03,190 --> 01:40:05,060 The Turks would come in and slaughter the Kurds, 1868 01:40:05,060 --> 01:40:06,310 and that's what they did. 1869 01:40:10,460 --> 01:40:14,780 I think where the Kurds felt really deserted by the west 1870 01:40:14,780 --> 01:40:17,820 is with the nature of Trump's withdrawal 1871 01:40:17,820 --> 01:40:20,200 in the autumn of 2019. 1872 01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:24,420 We defeated this group largely, defeated ISIS, 1873 01:40:24,420 --> 01:40:27,950 100% of the Caliphate, 100%. 1874 01:40:27,950 --> 01:40:31,010 There is no longer a need for a U.S. presence in Syria 1875 01:40:31,010 --> 01:40:33,720 because ISIS has been defeated. 1876 01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:35,640 The president's decision, 1877 01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:40,640 which was announced via a tweet is dangerous, premature, 1878 01:40:41,500 --> 01:40:44,160 and wholly inconsistent with the facts 1879 01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:47,453 on the ground in Syria and our own military's advice. 1880 01:40:48,420 --> 01:40:50,180 He didn't announce it even to his allies. 1881 01:40:50,180 --> 01:40:52,980 He didn't discuss it even inside Washington. 1882 01:40:52,980 --> 01:40:57,100 And it seems to do with the relationship with Turkey. 1883 01:40:57,100 --> 01:41:00,900 From the Turkish perspective, the YPG is affiliated 1884 01:41:00,900 --> 01:41:04,320 with the Turkish Kurds, who they regard as terrorists. 1885 01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:08,240 And it does look a little bit like the U.S. simply deferred 1886 01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:11,090 to Turkey's wishes on this. 1887 01:41:11,090 --> 01:41:13,200 ISIS is defeated, President Trump thought, 1888 01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,260 so why do we need to be there now? 1889 01:41:15,260 --> 01:41:16,550 We can leave. 1890 01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:19,730 And this pleases Erdogan and the Kurds were, I think, 1891 01:41:19,730 --> 01:41:21,930 as shocked as anybody else when it happened. 1892 01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:25,143 History will haunt us. 1893 01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:30,730 We are going to be complicit in the ethnic cleansing 1894 01:41:30,730 --> 01:41:35,730 that occurs as a result of this absolutely abhorrent action. 1895 01:41:38,490 --> 01:41:41,803 This is the anguish that only comes from loss. 1896 01:41:43,210 --> 01:41:46,750 The Kurdish people have already endured so much suffering, 1897 01:41:46,750 --> 01:41:50,493 and every day of Turkey's offensive brings new chaos. 1898 01:41:54,540 --> 01:41:58,340 I had major league problems with President Trump 1899 01:41:58,340 --> 01:41:59,803 abandoning the Kurds. 1900 01:42:00,740 --> 01:42:02,640 We shouldn't be abandoning our allies. 1901 01:42:03,980 --> 01:42:08,260 Here they are fighting on our behalf essentially, 1902 01:42:08,260 --> 01:42:09,593 without their own country, 1903 01:42:10,860 --> 01:42:13,203 doing some of this country's dirty work. 1904 01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:19,040 And part of being a patriot is recognizing those, 1905 01:42:21,310 --> 01:42:23,273 whether it's a country or a people, 1906 01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:27,440 the help that they've done, 1907 01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:29,770 or the help that they have given this country 1908 01:42:29,770 --> 01:42:33,803 to keep our soldiers from being shot and killed. 1909 01:42:34,940 --> 01:42:37,040 You don't leave your friends. 1910 01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:41,663 And I think that's something that Michael personifies. 1911 01:42:44,650 --> 01:42:46,630 The Kurds have a saying 1912 01:42:46,630 --> 01:42:48,730 that we have no friends but the mountains. 1913 01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:51,300 Well, they have a friend in me. 1914 01:42:52,700 --> 01:42:54,907 The Kurds are fighting for dignity and honor, 1915 01:42:54,907 --> 01:42:57,023 and a place to call home. 1916 01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,650 And to deny that I personally think 1917 01:43:00,650 --> 01:43:02,583 that's a sin against humanity. 1918 01:43:05,410 --> 01:43:07,730 Everybody deserves a home. 1919 01:43:07,730 --> 01:43:11,320 Every human being that's ever been born 1920 01:43:11,320 --> 01:43:14,503 deserves to have a place that he or she can call home. 1921 01:43:15,700 --> 01:43:20,023 And my documents might not say I'm an American, 1922 01:43:22,580 --> 01:43:24,277 but I feel like one. 1923 01:43:28,289 --> 01:43:31,539 The word heval means friend or comrade. 1924 01:43:33,230 --> 01:43:34,923 And the Kurds are my friends. 1925 01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:40,733 The men and women of YPG and the YPJ are my friends. 1926 01:43:42,010 --> 01:43:45,600 I hope sometime soon that I get to go home 1927 01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:49,930 and I hope that the world remembers what we did in Syria. 1928 01:43:51,138 --> 01:43:53,487 And will let the Kurds have a home too. 142064

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