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- HE WANTED TO GO UP
IN THE WOODS.
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THAT'S WHEN I KNEW
SOMETHING WAS STRANGE.
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HE STARTS CHOKING ME.
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- THIS IS BEING DESCRIBED AS
ONE OF THE NASTIEST HOMICIDES...
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- IT IS THE LARGEST SERIAL
MURDER CASE IN THE COUNTRY.
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THE GREEN RIVER KILLER
HAD STRUCK 49 TIMES.
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- IT WAS
A HORRIBLE FEELING OF FEAR.
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- I WAS MORE INTERESTED
IN KILLING THAN THE SEX.
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- SHE WAS MY LITTLE SISTER.
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- JUST A NORMAL, EVERYDAY
AVERAGE GUY.
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- I KILLED 'EM BEFORE
I GOT A CHANCE TO TORTURE 'EM.
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- NOTHING BUT A FAMILY MAN.
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- ANGRY RESIDENTS ARE DEMANDING
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POLICE DO MORE
TO STOP THE KILLINGS.
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- THE TASK FORCE WAS LAUNCHED
AUGUST 16, 1982.
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- HE WAS ARRESTED IN 2001.
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- MY WORLD JUST DISAPPEARED.
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- IT WAS A SECRET.
HOW WAS HE ABLE TO DO THAT?
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- YOU HAVE A PRE-PAID CALL FROM
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AN INMATE AT
WASHINGTON STATE PENITENTIARY.
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- WHAT ALLOWED YOU
TO MURDER THE YOUNG GIRLS?
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- "I KILLED SO MANY WOMEN,
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I HAVE A HARD TIME
KEEPING THEM STRAIGHT."
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IS THAT TRUE?
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- YES.
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- GARY IS A MONSTER.
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- MONSTER.
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- IT'S DEVASTATING.
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- HOW DO YOU PLEAD?
- GUILTY.
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- I HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL.
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SON OF A BITCH.
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- MY NAME IS KRISTEN RIDGWAY.
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MY UNCLE IS GARY RIDGWAY,
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THE GREEN RIVER KILLER.
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IN 2003, MY UNCLE ADMITTED
TO KILLING 48 WOMEN.
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- AND YOU ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT
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THE SENTENCE WILL BE
LIFE IN PRISON,
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WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY
OF PAROLE OR EARLY RELEASE?
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- YES, I DO.
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- I WISH FOR HIM TO HAVE
A LONG, SUFFERING, CRUEL DEATH.
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- GARY'S CONFESSION RIPPED APART
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NOT ONLY THE FAMILIES
OF THE VICTIMS,
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BUT OUR FAMILY, AS WELL.
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- IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, OKAY.
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IT JUST HIT ME IN THE FACE.
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- HIS ARREST AFFECTED
GREG AND ME AND KRISTEN.
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WE--WE BOTH WERE
JUST DEVASTATED.
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- I WENT INTO SHOCK.
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I WENT INTO HIDING.
I WENT INTO DENIAL.
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- FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS, WE
REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN OUR FAMILY.
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WE COMPLETELY WITHDREW.
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I THINK GARY IS A MONSTER.
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- GARY WAS CHARGED WITH
MURDERING 48 WOMEN.
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BUT HE CLAIMS TO HAVE KILLED
MORE THAN 70.
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- "I KILLED SO MANY WOMEN,
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I HAVE A HARD TIME
KEEPING THEM STRAIGHT."
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IS THAT TRUE?
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- YES.
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- MANY OF THE VICTIMS' REMAINS
ARE STILL MISSING.
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- WHAT HE DID
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CAST THIS HUGE BLANKET OF SHAME
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ON EVERYBODY THAT WAS A RIDGWAY.
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- GARY'S BROTHERS ARE STILL RAW.
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- MM-HMM.
- HIS SON IS RAW.
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KRISTEN, YOU'RE RAW.
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THE FAMILIES--
THE VICTIMS' FAMILIES...
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- YEAH.
- THEY'RE ALL RAW.
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both: YEAH.
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- FOR THE FIRST TIME
IN TEN YEARS,
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MY MOTHER DORENE, AUNT TINA,
AND COUSIN JENNIFER
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WHEN THERE'S 49 WOMEN WHO'VE--
YOU KNOW, WHO HAVE FAMILIES
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- NOT HAVING THAT CLOSURE
FOR YOUR FAMILY
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AND FOR THE VICTIMS' FAMILIES...
- MM-HMM.
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- IT'S JUST TORTUROUS.
IT'S TORTURE.
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AS A FAMILY, WE NEED TO DECIDE,
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WHAT CAN OUR ROLE BE?
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HELP THIS--THIS...
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THE CONSEQUENCES
OF GARY'S ACTIONS.
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- RIGHT.
- HE'S STILL ALIVE NOW.
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HE'S STILL ALIVE TODAY.
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AND I THINK THAT
THERE'S A REASON,
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AND I THINK THAT WE CAN,
YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
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- RIGHT, YEAH.
- YEAH.
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SO IF WE COME TOGETHER
AS A FAMILY
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AND WE ASK HIM ABOUT THE BODIES,
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MAYBE WHILE HE'S STILL ALIVE
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THAT HE WASN'T WILLING
TO GIVE THOSE INTERROGATORS.
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- IN ORDER TO
UNDERSTAND THIS TRAGEDY,
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WE HAVE TO GO BACK
TO THE BEGINNING.
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WE HAVE TO TEST OUR MEMORIES
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TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING
WE COULD HAVE DONE TO STOP IT.
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- JULY 4, 1982,
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GARY AND MARY AND MY PARENTS,
MY BROTHER,
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WE WERE ALL THERE
AT OUR PROPERTY, THE TRIPLE R,
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AND WE WERE ENJOYING
A HOLIDAY WEEKEND.
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AND IT'S PROBABLY
ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES
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THAT WE REALLY HAD
A GET-TOGETHER ON OUR PROPERTY.
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I NEVER HEARD GARY GET MAD.
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I NEVER SAW GARY CUSS.
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I NEVER SAW HIM BE
ANYTHING BUT A GENTLEMAN
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TO EVERYBODY.
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- WHAT THE FAMILY DIDN'T KNOW
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IS THAT GARY HAD BEEN ARRESTED
FOR SOLICITING PROSTITUTES.
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- I KNEW NOTHING
ABOUT THAT LIFE OF HIS.
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HE APPEARED TO BE
NOTHING BUT A FAMILY MAN.
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- GARY LEFT THAT PARTY
TO GO TO THE SEA-TAC STRIP,
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WHERE HE WOULD MEET
HIS FIRST VICTIM,
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WENDY COFFIELD.
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- WENDY COFFIELD WAS
OUT AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW.
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SHE WAS VERY YOUNG.
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A HAPPY-GO-LUCKY YOUNG LADY,
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AND SHE WAS IN TACOMA A LOT.
SHE WAS IN SEATTLE.
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SO SHE WAS OUT IN THE STREETS
MEETING A LOT OF PEOPLE,
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STREET PEOPLE, AND
BASICALLY HANGING AROUND AREAS
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WHERE THERE WERE PROSTITUTION.
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I THINK A LOT OF YOUNG LADIES
ENDED UP IN GARY RIDGWAY'S CAR
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BECAUSE HE WAS UNASSUMING.
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HE COULD BASICALLY
CONVINCE YOU OF SOMETHING
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YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO,
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AND THAT--THAT WAS GARY.
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- HE WAS JUST
A NORMAL, EVERYDAY AVERAGE GUY.
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HE SEEMED NORMAL.
HE SEEMED LIKE A JOVIAL GUY.
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WHICH I JUST--
I JUST CAN'T COMPREHEND.
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- I COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN
ONE OF THE GIRLS THAT--
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ONE OF HIS VICTIMS.
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HE LOOKS JUST LIKE
MOST OF THE OTHER GUYS,
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SO I DON'T KNOW,
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BUT I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE
GOT IN HIS CAR.
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TWO BOYS RIDING THEIR BICYCLES
ACROSS THE RIVER
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LOOKED DOWN
AND SAW WENDY COFFIELD'S BODY.
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- WELL, WENDY COFFIELD
WAS THE FIRST.
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- SHE WAS.
- AND SHE WAS FOUND HERE.
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- SHE'S THE ONE WHO WAS FOUND,
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AND HE GOT THE NAME "THE
GREEN RIVER KILLER" AFTER THAT.
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- YEAH.
- BECAUSE I--I'M PRETTY SURE
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IT WAS BECAUSE OF
FINDING HER BODY
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IN HERE, LIKE, RIGHT OVER THERE.
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- WHEN GARY RIDGWAY FIRST
STARTED KILLING WOMEN IN 1982,
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IT WASN'T FEELING LIKE
A SERIAL MURDER CASE.
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IT WAS JUST MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW,
WHAT'S HAPPENING?
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AND THE GREEN RIVER, YOU KNOW,
IN THAT AREA,
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IT'S JUST KIND OF THE LAST PLACE
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YOU'D THINK THAT
A SERIAL KILLER REALLY WOULD BE.
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- THERE WAS NOT A HINT.
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THERE WAS NOT A CLUE
THAT HE HAD ANY PROBLEM.
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HE JUST SEEMED LIKE, YOU KNOW,
THE GUY NEXT DOOR.
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I SAW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BECAUSE
I WASN'T LOOKING FOR ANYTHING.
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DEBRA BONNER,
WHO I WAS PROSECUTING,
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BUT SHE DIDN'T COME TO COURT
BECAUSE SHE WAS DEAD.
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- DEBBIE BONNER,
IT WAS FOUND BY A YOUNG MAN
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WHO WAS WORKING
AT A SLAUGHTERHOUSE NEARBY.
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AND HE WAS SMOKING A CIGAR,
LOOKING DOWN,
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SAW THE WATER MOVING,
AND HE WENT DOWN TO LOOK
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AND IT WAS BONNER, NUDE,
AND VERY SCARY-LOOKING TO HIM.
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- WENDY COFFIELD AND DEBRA LYNN
BONNER WERE INITIAL VICTIMS.
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I CAN STILL REMEMBER HER FACE.
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I MEAN, SHE LOOKED SO YOUNG
AND SO...
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I DON'T KNOW.
THEY, JUST THOSE...
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IT'S SO LONG AGO
BUT IT WAS SO SAD.
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- I FIRST GOT INVOLVED WITH
THE GREEN RIVER TASK FORCE
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IN AUGUST OF 1982.
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I HAD BEEN ASSIGNED
TO DAVE REICHERT,
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WHO WAS THE LEAD INVESTIGATOR.
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- POLICE STARTED THINKING THAT
THEY MAY HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM
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AND A SERIAL CASE
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WHEN THREE MORE REMAINS ARE
FOUND IN THE GREEN RIVER.
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SUDDENLY THERE'S THIS MAN
GOING DOWN THE RIVER
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LOOKING FOR BOTTLES
AND THINGS TO SELL,
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AND HE LITERALLY STARTS
BUMPING INTO BODIES.
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TWO ARE IN THE RIVER.
THEY DISCOVER ONE ON THE BANK.
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SO ESSENTIALLY, VERY QUICKLY
YOU SUDDENLY HAD FIVE.
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- THE ATMOSPHERE IN
THE INVESTIGATIVE AREA
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WAS JUST PANIC AND CHAOS.
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THERE'S A SERIAL KILLER HERE.
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WE WANT TO SOLVE IT.
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THAT'S KILLING
THESE YOUNG WOMEN.
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- THE SITUATION THAT EVOLVED,
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WHICH WAS JUST
THIS PROLIFIC KILLER.
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BODY AFTER BODY AFTER BODY
AFTER BODY.
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I MEAN, UNSOLVED HOMICIDES
ALL AROUND SEATTLE
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WITH THIS KIND OF SHADOW FIGURE
THAT WALKED AMONGST US.
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AND SO IT WAS
A HORRIBLE FEELING OF FEAR.
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- WE HAD NO IDEA
THE GREEN RIVER KILLER
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WAS SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO US.
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- EVERYONE WAS SCARED OF
THE GREEN RIVER KILLER.
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EVERYONE THOUGHT, IF YOU'RE
WALKING ON THE SEA-TAC STRIP
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OR IF YOU'RE--IF YOU'RE WALKING
BY THE GREEN RIVER
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WHERE THEY FOUND THESE BODIES
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THAT MAYBE
YOU WOULD GET PICKED UP.
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WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH IT.
NO ONE REALLY
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THEY JUST KNEW THAT
WOMEN WERE SHOWING UP DEAD.
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THIS OMINOUS NOTION OF A--
OF A GREEN RIVER KILLER WAS--
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WAS EVERYWHERE
THROUGHOUT SEATTLE.
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- EVERY DAY, ALL OF US
WERE OBSESSED WITH THIS CASE.
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I MEAN, EVERY DAY WE'D COME IN
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AND WE'D TRY TO
SORT THROUGH EVIDENCE.
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THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF SUSPECTS
IN THE BEGINNING.
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PEOPLE WERE CALLING IN TIPS.
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AND YOU HAVE TO REALIZE
THAT WAS IN 1982.
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OKAY,
WE DIDN'T HAVE CELL PHONES,
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WE DIDN'T HAVE ANSWERING
MACHINES IN OUR OFFICE,
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WE DIDN'T HAVE COMPUTERS,
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SO IT WAS A STRUGGLE.
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[camera shutter snapping]
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I MEAN,
IT JUST ATE YOU UP INSIDE
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BECAUSE YOU WERE FINDING
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ALL OF THESE WOMEN
WHO HAD BEEN JUST TOSSED AWAY
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LIKE GARBAGE.
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SO IT WAS FRUSTRATING.
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THE VICTIMS ARE NOT
JUST PROSTITUTES.
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AS FAR AS THE DETECTIVES
WHO ARE WORKING HERE FEEL,
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AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT
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FINDING SOMEONE
WHO'S KILLING PEOPLE.
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I WAS DEDICATED.
I WAS WORKING ON THIS THING.
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I WAS NOT GONNA GIVE UP.
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I WANTED TO SOLVE IT.
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RIGHT AFTER THE VICTIMS WERE
FOUND ALONG THE GREEN RIVER,
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WE FIGURED HE'S LEFT FIVE.
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HE'S PROBABLY GONNA LEAVE
ANOTHER ONE.
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SO WE ARE STAKING OUT THE RIVER.
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AND I REMEMBER
LISTENING TO THE NEWS BROADCAST
222
00:12:25,913 --> 00:12:36,156
AND SEEING THE HELICOPTER
FLYING OVER
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YOU JUST BLEW IT FOR US."
224
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IF HE'S WATCHING TV,
WHICH HE PROBABLY WAS,
225
00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,095
HE'S NOT COMING BACK NOW.
226
00:12:42,129 --> 00:12:44,031
I MEAN,
WE HAD A CHANCE TO CATCH HIM,
227
00:12:44,064 --> 00:12:45,165
BUT NOW WE DON'T.
228
00:12:47,467 --> 00:12:49,837
AND THAT'S WHEN THE VICTIMS
STARTED GETTING PLACED
229
00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:52,139
IN MORE REMOTE LOCATIONS.
230
00:12:56,409 --> 00:12:58,812
- YOU GUYS WERE UP THERE,
HAVING YOUR PICNIC,
231
00:12:58,846 --> 00:13:02,115
AND GARY AND I
JUST HAPPENED TO BE RIGHT HERE.
232
00:13:02,149 --> 00:13:06,186
"DORENE, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF
THAT GREEN RIVER KILLER?"
233
00:13:06,219 --> 00:13:08,421
JUST LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW,
AND IT'S LIKE...
234
00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:10,858
I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED,
YOU KNOW, AND I JUST...
235
00:13:10,891 --> 00:13:12,325
AT THE TIME,
I WAS TAKING CARE OF YOU,
236
00:13:12,359 --> 00:13:14,294
I WAS WORKING FULL TIME,
237
00:13:14,327 --> 00:13:19,933
AND I-I DIDN'T HAVE TIME REALLY
TO THINK ABOUT CURRENT EVENTS.
238
00:13:19,967 --> 00:13:23,103
"I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED
JUST TO HEAR THAT
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"THAT PERSON LEFT THESE
YOUNG WOMEN, THESE YOUNG GIRLS,
240
00:13:26,439 --> 00:13:32,312
ON THE GROUND."
I SAID TO HIM,
241
00:13:32,345 --> 00:13:33,914
DIDN'T BURY THOSE WOMEN."
242
00:13:33,947 --> 00:13:36,917
I CAN STILL REMEMBER HIM
NODDING HIS HEAD AND--
243
00:13:36,950 --> 00:13:39,019
- DID HE START
BURYING THE BODIES AFTER THAT?
244
00:13:39,052 --> 00:13:41,989
- YEAH, THAT'S WHEN HE AT THAT
POINT STARTED BURYING WOMEN.
245
00:14:00,207 --> 00:14:02,309
- GARY LEON RIDGWAY'S
MY MIDDLE BROTHER
246
00:14:02,342 --> 00:14:03,643
IN A FAMILY OF THREE BOYS.
247
00:14:03,676 --> 00:14:05,178
THERE WASN'T A LOT OF MONEY
IN THE FAMILY.
248
00:14:05,212 --> 00:14:07,047
DAD OFTEN WORKED
HEAVY CONSTRUCTION,
249
00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,182
AND MOM ALSO ENDED UP
HAVING TO WORK.
250
00:14:09,216 --> 00:14:10,450
AT THAT TIME IT WAS PERMISSIBLE
251
00:14:10,483 --> 00:14:12,452
FOR A GUY WHO WAS
NINE OR TEN YEARS OLD
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00:14:12,485 --> 00:14:16,056
TO TAKE CARE OF HIS BROTHERS,
AND I OFTEN DID THAT, TOO.
253
00:14:16,089 --> 00:14:18,225
- HIS TESTED IQ WAS 85,
254
00:14:18,258 --> 00:14:22,963
WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE
AVERAGE IQ OF A PRISON INMATE.
255
00:14:25,665 --> 00:14:27,901
AS A CHILD, HE HAD THE FACTORS
256
00:14:27,935 --> 00:14:30,337
THAT WERE ASSOCIATED
WITH PSYCHOPATHY,
257
00:14:30,370 --> 00:14:32,339
OR GROWING UP TO BE VIOLENT.
258
00:14:32,372 --> 00:14:35,208
BEDWETTING, FIRE SETTING,
AND CRUELTY TO ANIMALS.
259
00:14:38,045 --> 00:14:41,381
THERE IS
A VERY STRONG GENETIC LOADING
260
00:14:41,414 --> 00:14:44,051
ON BECOMING A PSYCHOPATH.
261
00:14:44,084 --> 00:14:56,429
HE PROBABLY INHERITED
THE GENETIC MAKEUP
262
00:14:56,463 --> 00:15:01,501
HE MARRIED HIS HIGH SCHOOL
SWEETHEART, CLAUDIA KRAIG,
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00:15:01,534 --> 00:15:04,204
WHERE HE BEGAN
EXPERIMENTING WITH PROSTITUTES.
264
00:15:04,237 --> 00:15:05,973
- WHEN GARY CAME BACK
FROM VIETNAM,
265
00:15:06,006 --> 00:15:08,475
HE WAS CAUGHT WITH A SHOCK
BECAUSE HE FOUND OUT HIS--
266
00:15:08,508 --> 00:15:10,043
HIS WIFE HAD RUN OFF
WITH ANOTHER MAN.
267
00:15:12,980 --> 00:15:19,052
- IN 1973, GARY MARRIED
HIS SECOND WIFE, MARCIA WINSLOW.
268
00:15:19,086 --> 00:15:21,521
THEY HAD ONE SON, MATTHEW.
269
00:15:31,731 --> 00:15:33,333
- GARY AND MATTHEW CAME IN,
270
00:15:33,366 --> 00:15:36,203
AND MATTHEW WAS
ALL REAL EXCITED AND HAPPY
271
00:15:36,236 --> 00:15:39,172
BECAUSE THEY'D COME BACK
FROM GREENWATER,
272
00:15:39,206 --> 00:15:42,475
AND THEY'D HAD
A LADY FRIEND WITH THEM.
273
00:15:42,509 --> 00:15:45,745
AND HER AND GARY HAD
TAKEN A WALK,
274
00:15:45,778 --> 00:15:48,748
AND I SAID,
"WELL, WHERE IS SHE?"
275
00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:51,684
"WELL, DAD SAID SHE'D
JUST DECIDED TO WALK HOME."
276
00:15:51,718 --> 00:15:54,454
AND I THOUGHT
THAT WAS A LITTLE ODD,
277
00:15:54,487 --> 00:15:58,125
BUT, YOU KNOW, I CONTINUED
TO GO BACK AND MAKE SUPPER,
278
00:15:58,158 --> 00:16:00,227
AND THE SUBJECT WAS DROPPED.
279
00:16:03,363 --> 00:16:07,234
- GARY RIDGWAY IS
A SEXUAL SERIAL KILLER,
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00:16:07,267 --> 00:16:09,669
THAT OF NECROPHILIA.
281
00:16:09,702 --> 00:16:13,473
IT IS TOTAL CONTROL
WHILE THE VICTIM IS DEAD
282
00:16:13,506 --> 00:16:18,645
AND THE ABILITY TO HAVE A
NON-RESPONSIVE, NON-COMPLAINING
283
00:16:18,678 --> 00:16:24,517
SEXUAL OBJECT WHO WON'T LEAVE.
284
00:16:26,286 --> 00:16:31,424
IT DOES BECOME THE FAVORITE M.O.
OF SOME SEXUAL SERIAL KILLERS
285
00:16:31,458 --> 00:16:33,726
TO STRANGLE WITH THEIR HANDS.
286
00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,598
AND IT'S THE MOST COMMON WAY
THAT SERIAL MURDER VICTIMS DIE.
287
00:16:38,631 --> 00:16:41,534
- GISELLE LOVVORNE WAS
FROM CALIFORNIA.
288
00:16:41,568 --> 00:16:45,338
SHE HAD HOOKED UP WITH,
I BELIEVE, JIM TINDAL.
289
00:16:45,372 --> 00:16:47,674
YOU KNOW, THEY WERE BUMMING
AROUND AND SEEING NEW PLACES,
290
00:16:47,707 --> 00:16:52,279
AND--AND BASICALLY
HE WAS HER BOYFRIEND/PIMP.
291
00:16:52,312 --> 00:16:54,714
SO THEY WERE IN SEATTLE
AND STAYING AT A HOTEL
292
00:16:54,747 --> 00:17:00,353
AND ONE AFTERNOON
SHE DECIDED TO HITCHHIKE
293
00:17:00,387 --> 00:17:08,295
AND THEN HE NEVER SAW HER AGAIN.
294
00:17:08,328 --> 00:17:10,497
OR WHERE THEY WERE HANGING OUT.
295
00:17:10,530 --> 00:17:13,300
IT WASN'T THEIR AGE.
IT WASN'T THEIR RACE.
296
00:17:13,333 --> 00:17:15,335
IT WASN'T THEIR
COLOR OF THEIR HAIR.
297
00:17:15,368 --> 00:17:19,406
IT WAS MORE OPPORTUNITY
AND WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
298
00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:22,075
SOME OF THEM
PROBABLY WEREN'T FULL-TIME,
299
00:17:22,109 --> 00:17:23,510
REALLY ENTRENCHED PROSTITUTES.
300
00:17:23,543 --> 00:17:25,278
THEY WERE DOING IT
MAYBE JUST FOR, YOU KNOW,
301
00:17:25,312 --> 00:17:27,046
TO HELP PAY THE BILLS.
302
00:17:34,421 --> 00:17:36,223
- I'M JENNY GRAHAM,
303
00:17:36,256 --> 00:17:40,360
AND MY SISTER, DEBRA ESTES,
WAS MURDERED BY GARY RIDGWAY.
304
00:17:43,296 --> 00:17:47,667
BECAUSE THINGS WERE
BROKEN AT HOME,
305
00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:51,104
BECAUSE THINGS WERE
VERY ABUSIVE AT HOME,
306
00:17:51,138 --> 00:17:54,307
BOTH MY SISTER AND MY BROTHER
STARTED RUNNING AWAY FROM HOME.
307
00:17:54,341 --> 00:17:58,111
SHE LEFT TRYING TO FIND SAFETY,
308
00:18:01,348 --> 00:18:03,216
AT THAT POINT IN TIME,
309
00:18:03,250 --> 00:18:07,787
I DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT
PROSTITUTION BEING INVOLVED.
310
00:18:07,820 --> 00:18:15,695
IN MY KNOWLEDGE,
311
00:18:15,728 --> 00:18:20,200
SHE HAD A ROOF OVER HER HEAD.
SHE HAD FOOD.
312
00:18:20,233 --> 00:18:24,737
SO WHAT THAT MEANT WAS THAT
SHE WAS NOT BEING BEATEN,
313
00:18:24,771 --> 00:18:27,274
NOT BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED
IN ANY WAY.
314
00:18:27,307 --> 00:18:31,744
SO IN MY MIND,
SHE WAS IN A BETTER PLACE.
315
00:18:35,548 --> 00:18:38,251
- THE WOMEN ON THE STREET
ARE ON THE STREET
316
00:18:38,285 --> 00:18:41,854
BECAUSE OF SOME
HORRIBLE CIRCUMSTANCE
317
00:18:41,888 --> 00:18:43,223
THAT LANDED THEM THERE.
318
00:18:43,256 --> 00:18:45,392
AND NOW THEY'RE CAUGHT UP
319
00:18:45,425 --> 00:18:49,896
IN A LIFE THAT IS
EXTREMELY HARD TO GET OUT OF.
320
00:18:49,929 --> 00:18:53,333
AND NOW THEY GOTTA PAY FOR IT
FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE.
321
00:18:53,366 --> 00:18:54,767
- THEY WOULD DISAPPEAR.
322
00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:56,869
YOU KNOW,
THEY'D BE GONE FOR MONTHS.
323
00:18:56,903 --> 00:19:01,674
WHEN SHE CAME HOME, HER FRIEND
BECKY MARRERO WAS WITH HER.
324
00:19:01,708 --> 00:19:03,510
ANYWAY, SHE CAME HOME
TO GET SOME THINGS.
325
00:19:03,543 --> 00:19:09,416
AND I REMEMBER THAT SHE AND I
HAD GOTTEN INTO IT A LITTLE BIT
326
00:19:09,449 --> 00:19:16,389
BECAUSE I HAD NOTHING
TO BEGIN WITH,
327
00:19:16,423 --> 00:19:21,228
SO WE ENDED UP GETTING INTO
AN ARGUMENT BEFORE SHE LEFT.
328
00:19:21,261 --> 00:19:25,232
THAT WAS THE LAST TIME
I SAW HER.
329
00:19:29,336 --> 00:19:30,770
[cries]
330
00:19:30,803 --> 00:19:32,339
I'M SORRY.
331
00:19:35,675 --> 00:19:39,712
- IF IT'S A 14 OR 15 OR
16-YEAR-OLD GIRL,
332
00:19:39,746 --> 00:19:41,348
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING,
RIGHT?
333
00:19:41,381 --> 00:19:42,915
BECAUSE THAT'S A CHILD.
334
00:19:42,949 --> 00:19:48,788
WELL, THE GREEN RIVER KILLER
KILLED A LOT OF CHILDREN, OKAY?
335
00:19:48,821 --> 00:19:52,259
AND HE'S NOT KNOWN
AS A CHILD-KILLER.
336
00:19:52,292 --> 00:19:58,331
- THOSE VICTIMS WERE ONLY ABOUT
TEN YEARS OUT OF KINDERGARTEN.
337
00:20:02,969 --> 00:20:04,404
IT JUST BREAKS YOUR HEART.
338
00:20:04,437 --> 00:20:08,975
BECAUSE THEY HAD SO MUCH
339
00:20:09,008 --> 00:20:10,443
OR THEY COULD HAVE.
340
00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:15,815
- IN SEATTLE,
ANOTHER GRIM DISCOVERY TODAY
341
00:20:15,848 --> 00:20:18,785
THAT COULD BE CONNECTED TO THE
STRING OF GREEN RIVER MURDERS,
342
00:20:18,818 --> 00:20:20,753
WHICH HAVE SHAKEN
THAT WEST COAST CITY.
343
00:20:20,787 --> 00:20:24,591
- EXPLORER SCOUTS HAVE FOUND THE
REMAINS OF ANOTHER HUMAN BODY...
344
00:20:24,624 --> 00:20:25,825
- IN THE LAST MONTH,
345
00:20:25,858 --> 00:20:27,794
THE SKELETAL REMAINS OF TWO
MORE WOMEN HAVE ALSO BEEN FOUND.
346
00:20:34,066 --> 00:20:35,668
- THE THING IS ABOUT GARY IS,
347
00:20:35,702 --> 00:20:38,338
HE IS A WOLF
IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING.
348
00:20:42,709 --> 00:20:46,946
- MY MOM'S FIRST EXPERIENCE
MEETING GARY,
349
00:20:46,979 --> 00:20:48,548
SHE WAS DATING MY DAD,
350
00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:51,918
WHO WAS LIVING WITH
GREG AND DORENE RIDGWAY.
351
00:20:51,951 --> 00:20:55,688
AND MY DAD TOOK HER TO
A HALLOWEEN PARTY
352
00:20:55,722 --> 00:20:57,657
AT THE RIDGWAYS' HOUSE,
353
00:20:57,690 --> 00:21:00,360
AND...
354
00:21:00,393 --> 00:21:07,300
THERE WAS A GUY
WITH A MASK AND A CAPE,
355
00:21:07,334 --> 00:21:10,837
LEAVES AND, I DON'T KNOW,
LITTLE BRANCHES AND THINGS.
356
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:13,806
MY MOM ASKED HIM,
357
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,676
"WHAT CHARACTER ARE YOU?
WHAT--WHO ARE YOU DRESSED AS?"
358
00:21:16,709 --> 00:21:19,479
AND--AND HE SAID,
"OH, THE RIVER MAN."
359
00:21:23,082 --> 00:21:28,621
AND, YEAH, THAT WAS MY MOM'S
FIRST--FIRST TIME MEETING GARY.
360
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:35,027
- KRISTI VORAK ON HALLOWEEN
NIGHT, YOU KNOW, DISAPPEARS,
361
00:21:35,061 --> 00:21:37,597
AND SHE'S STILL MISSING.
362
00:22:00,052 --> 00:22:04,791
SANDRA MAJOR DISAPPEARED
CHRISTMAS.
363
00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:08,628
IN FACT, HER FAMILY HAD CALLED
THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT
364
00:22:08,661 --> 00:22:10,763
AND FILED
A MISSING PERSONS REPORT,
365
00:22:10,797 --> 00:22:13,866
BUT APPARENTLY THAT WAS NOT
PASSED ON TO KING COUNTY POLICE,
366
00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:16,436
SO IT CREATED
A GAP IN THE INVESTIGATION.
367
00:22:17,904 --> 00:22:19,639
- THE FACT THAT HE WAS KILLING
368
00:22:19,672 --> 00:22:21,974
ON THESE HOLIDAYS
OR THESE SPECIAL OCCASIONS,
369
00:22:22,008 --> 00:22:24,444
INCLUDING CHRISTMAS,
370
00:22:24,477 --> 00:22:27,980
JUST ABSOLUTELY
IS A MIND-BLOWER TO ME.
371
00:22:28,014 --> 00:22:30,517
I-I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE WERE
HAVING GOOD TIMES.
372
00:22:30,550 --> 00:22:32,151
WE WERE--WE WERE
WITH THE FAMILY.
373
00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:36,055
WE WERE MAKING MEMORIES
OF THESE JOYOUS OCCASIONS.
374
00:22:36,088 --> 00:22:41,894
- I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT
A LOT OF GARY RIDGWAY'S MURDERS
375
00:22:41,928 --> 00:22:44,731
TOOK PLACE AROUND
376
00:22:44,764 --> 00:22:49,702
FAMILY GATHERINGS OR HOLIDAYS
377
00:22:49,736 --> 00:22:54,073
INDICATES THAT THESE WERE
VERY STRESSFUL TIMES FOR HIM,
378
00:22:54,106 --> 00:22:58,445
AND HE HAD TO
LOOSEN THE PRESSURE.
379
00:22:58,478 --> 00:23:02,415
AND KILLING, EVIDENTLY,
LOOSENED PRESSURE.
380
00:23:11,624 --> 00:23:14,761
- GARY RIDGWAY WAS A SUSPECT
EARLY ON IN THE INVESTIGATION.
381
00:23:14,794 --> 00:23:18,531
ESPECIALLY WITH THE CONNECTION
WITH MARIE MALVAR.
382
00:23:18,565 --> 00:23:21,601
- MARIE MALVAR DISAPPEARED
APRIL 1983.
383
00:23:21,634 --> 00:23:25,438
THE BOYFRIEND AND MARIE'S DAD
CALLED POLICE
384
00:23:25,472 --> 00:23:29,676
BECAUSE THE BOYFRIEND SAYS
SHE GOT IN A VEHICLE.
385
00:23:29,709 --> 00:23:32,479
THE BOYFRIEND TRIES TO FOLLOW,
386
00:23:32,512 --> 00:23:34,814
BUT DOESN'T QUITE
CATCH THE LIGHT RIGHT.
387
00:23:34,847 --> 00:23:37,950
SO IN FACT THE DAD
AND THE BOYFRIEND PIMP
388
00:23:37,984 --> 00:23:39,652
DRIVE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
389
00:23:39,686 --> 00:23:42,088
EVENTUALLY,
THEY GO INTO A DEAD END,
390
00:23:42,121 --> 00:23:46,993
AND IN FACT THAT'S THE PICKUP
THAT HE SAYS THAT MARIE GOT IN.
391
00:23:47,026 --> 00:23:48,695
SO THEY CALL DES MOINES POLICE.
392
00:23:51,664 --> 00:23:53,666
TWO OFFICERS COME OUT
393
00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:56,235
AND BASICALLY, THEY GO, "LOOK.
WELL, THERE'S NO ONE HERE."
394
00:23:56,268 --> 00:23:59,572
WELL, YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT
A BODY TO BE SITTING THERE.
395
00:23:59,606 --> 00:24:01,874
GARY HAD BEEN TOO METICULOUS
AND SO FORTH.
396
00:24:01,908 --> 00:24:04,644
BUT MARIE MALVAR WAS ONE
WHO FOUGHT VERY HARD
397
00:24:04,677 --> 00:24:07,814
AND SCRATCHED GARY TREMENDOUSLY.
398
00:24:07,847 --> 00:24:10,850
HE SAYS THAT HE HID HIS ARM
AGAINST THE FENCE,
399
00:24:10,883 --> 00:24:14,787
SO THE SERGEANT AND THE
OTHER OFFICER COULDN'T SEE IT.
400
00:24:14,821 --> 00:24:16,222
WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY,
401
00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:19,058
THEY PROBABLY MISSED
ONE OF THEIR BEST OPPORTUNITIES
402
00:24:19,091 --> 00:24:21,861
TO CATCH GARY.
AND WE'RE TALKING 1983.
403
00:24:24,296 --> 00:24:27,734
- AN INVESTIGATION
JUST WENT ON AND ON AND ON,
404
00:24:27,767 --> 00:24:30,136
AND WE WOULD SEE
THESE VISIONS ON TV
405
00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:32,872
OF TROMPING AROUND
OUT IN THE BRUSH AND THE RIVER
406
00:24:32,905 --> 00:24:36,576
AND MORE BODIES, YOU KNOW,
AND MORE BODIES AND MORE BODIES.
407
00:24:36,609 --> 00:24:38,645
AND REALLY NOTHING CHANGED.
408
00:24:50,823 --> 00:24:52,158
- SEATTLE WAS WONDERING,
"WHAT'S GOING ON?"
409
00:24:52,191 --> 00:24:54,761
SO KING COUNTY POLICE
FINALLY DECIDED
410
00:24:54,794 --> 00:24:57,630
THAT IN 1984
THEY WOULD HAVE A TASK FORCE.
411
00:24:57,664 --> 00:24:59,699
- IT WAS HEADED BY BOB KEPPEL.
412
00:24:59,732 --> 00:25:01,033
BOB KEPPEL HAD ALSO BEEN
413
00:25:01,067 --> 00:25:03,035
THE HEAD OF
THE TED BUNDY TASK FORCE.
414
00:25:03,069 --> 00:25:09,742
- IT TYPICALLY TAKES
QUITE A LOT OF EFFORT AND TIME
415
00:25:09,776 --> 00:25:15,181
IN THE TED BUNDY CASES,
WE HAD AT MOST 3,500 NAMES.
416
00:25:15,214 --> 00:25:20,553
IN THE GREEN RIVER CASES,
THERE WERE OVER 77,000 NAMES.
417
00:25:20,587 --> 00:25:22,955
THIS IS SUCH
AN UNPRECEDENTED CASE
418
00:25:22,989 --> 00:25:28,628
THAT DETECTIVES WORKING IT
HAVE TO CONSIDER THE PROCESS
419
00:25:28,661 --> 00:25:31,197
VERSUS THE ACTUAL GOAL END.
420
00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:34,701
- SO THEY START ACCUMULATING
BASICALLY LISTS OF PEOPLE
421
00:25:34,734 --> 00:25:36,569
WHO KNEW, SAY, WENDY COFFIELD,
422
00:25:36,603 --> 00:25:38,571
WHO KNEW BONNER,
WHO WAS CLOSE TO THEM.
423
00:25:38,605 --> 00:25:40,873
YOU FINALLY HAVE
A SYSTEMATIC WAY
424
00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:46,713
OF LOOKING AT VICTIMS,
THE MISSING, AND THE SUSPECT.
425
00:25:46,746 --> 00:25:48,214
- WE HAD MEETINGS EVERY DAY
426
00:25:48,247 --> 00:25:51,951
TO UPDATE EVERYONE ON
WHAT THE SUSPECTS' NAMES WERE,
427
00:25:51,984 --> 00:25:54,086
WAS THERE ANY MORE INFORMATION.
428
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:59,025
WE HAD REACHED OUT TO THE FBI
TO GET A PROFILE.
429
00:25:59,058 --> 00:26:01,928
- WHITE MALE.
USED PICKUP TRUCK.
430
00:26:01,961 --> 00:26:07,700
MARITAL DISCOURSE.
431
00:26:07,734 --> 00:26:11,971
IT WAS SORT OF A FRAME
THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT,
432
00:26:12,004 --> 00:26:14,273
BUT, YOU KNOW,
IT DIDN'T NAME INDIVIDUALS.
433
00:26:14,306 --> 00:26:18,377
- GARY DID NOT FIT
THE SERIAL KILLER PROFILE.
434
00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:30,990
I DON'T THINK
THE POLICE BELIEVED
435
00:26:37,296 --> 00:26:38,665
- THERE WAS ALL KINDS
OF FOLKLORE
436
00:26:38,698 --> 00:26:39,966
ABOUT THE GREEN RIVER KILLER.
437
00:26:39,999 --> 00:26:42,802
THE PUBLIC DEFENDER
IN TACOMA WAS A SUSPECT,
438
00:26:42,835 --> 00:26:47,006
THAT PROMINENT MAJOR CRIMES
KING COUNTRY SHERIFF'S DEPUTY
439
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:48,675
WAS A PRIME SUSPECT.
440
00:26:48,708 --> 00:26:50,777
AND ALL AROUND THE COURTHOUSE,
EVERYONE KNEW IT.
441
00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:52,745
AND YOU'D SEE HIM,
AND YOU'D JUST BE, LIKE,
442
00:26:52,779 --> 00:26:54,113
HE'S THE GREEN RIVER KILLER.
443
00:26:54,146 --> 00:26:56,783
- WE HAD A CAB DRIVER
WHO CAME IN AND SAID
444
00:26:56,816 --> 00:26:58,017
HE KNEW ONE OF THE GIRLS.
445
00:26:58,050 --> 00:27:00,687
HE ENDED UP BEING SOMEONE
THAT WAS
446
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,391
HEAVILY LOOKED AT AS A SUSPECT
FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
447
00:27:05,424 --> 00:27:09,929
- MELVIN FOSTER WAS AN ENIGMA.
448
00:27:09,962 --> 00:27:12,899
THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST
IN MELVIN,
449
00:27:12,932 --> 00:27:16,703
BECAUSE HE WAS SO VOCAL
TO THE PRESS.
450
00:27:16,736 --> 00:27:19,238
- FOR NEARLY A MONTH NOW,
UNDERCOVER OFFICERS HAVE BEEN
451
00:27:19,271 --> 00:27:22,274
STATIONED IN THIS AREA,
KEEPING A 24-HOUR WATCH
452
00:27:22,308 --> 00:27:25,111
ON MELVIN FOSTER, WHO LIVES JUST
UP THE ROAD FROM HERE.
453
00:27:25,144 --> 00:27:28,147
- TOO MANY PEOPLE WERE FORCING
LAW ENFORCEMENT
454
00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:30,817
TO LOOK AT HIM AS A SUSPECT.
455
00:27:30,850 --> 00:27:35,955
THAT INCLUDED ALL THE TELEVISION
MEDIA AND THE NEWSPAPERS.
456
00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:40,092
- DID YOU KILL
ALL THOSE WOMEN OR WHAT?
457
00:27:40,126 --> 00:27:41,994
- NO, BUT I WISH I DID.
458
00:27:42,028 --> 00:27:43,229
I WISH I DID KNOW WHO DID.
459
00:27:43,262 --> 00:27:47,466
- THEY WANTED MELVIN FOSTER
AS THE SUSPECT.
460
00:27:47,499 --> 00:27:49,969
BUT I NEVER THOUGHT
THE KILLER WOULD EVER
461
00:27:50,002 --> 00:27:54,841
ACT LIKE MELVIN FOSTER.
462
00:27:54,874 --> 00:27:57,977
- WE WERE JUST APPALLED
AND ANGRY,
463
00:27:58,010 --> 00:28:00,847
AND WE WANTED THIS PERSON
CAUGHT AND PUNISHED,
464
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,950
BECAUSE THIS WAS JUST INHUMAN.
465
00:28:03,983 --> 00:28:07,453
WE WERE JUST AS AFRAID
AND DISMAYED
466
00:28:07,486 --> 00:28:10,890
AS THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.
467
00:28:13,025 --> 00:28:16,128
WE WERE ALL GATHERED AROUND
AS A FAMILY, WATCHING A PROGRAM
468
00:28:16,162 --> 00:28:20,800
ABOUT THE GREEN RIVER KILLER,
AND HE JUST--
469
00:28:20,833 --> 00:28:23,836
HE DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANYTHING
TO SAY ABOUT IT.
470
00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:29,909
AND WE WERE HAVING THIS
BIG OLD FAMILY DISCUSSION
471
00:28:29,942 --> 00:28:34,747
AND "OH, MY GOD," AND HE JUST
WAS VERY QUIET THAT DAY.
472
00:28:34,781 --> 00:28:37,850
- HOW COULD YOU HOLD
THAT WITHIN YOUR BEING?
473
00:28:37,884 --> 00:28:42,755
TO NOT BE ABLE TO--
TO LET IT LOOSE TO ANYBODY?
474
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:44,791
IT WAS A SECRET.
JUST HE KNEW THAT.
475
00:28:44,824 --> 00:28:47,894
HE WAS THE ONLY ONE.
AND HE WAS ABLE TO SIDESTEP THAT
476
00:28:47,927 --> 00:28:52,164
ALL OF THOSE YEARS.
HOW WAS HE ABLE TO DO THAT?
477
00:28:59,571 --> 00:29:01,507
POLICE ARE HUNTING A MASS
MURDERER BELIEVED TO HAVE KILLED
478
00:29:01,540 --> 00:29:04,977
AS MANY AS 21 PROSTITUTES
IN THE LAST 22 MONTHS.
479
00:29:05,011 --> 00:29:08,881
- THE GIRLS ARE OFTEN TEENAGERS,
MANY RUNAWAYS.
480
00:29:12,985 --> 00:29:16,322
- SOME OF THE CHALLENGE
WAS IDENTIFYING THE YOUNG WOMEN
481
00:29:16,355 --> 00:29:18,557
- A LOT OF THE GIRLS USED
ALIASES, YOU KNOW.
482
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:21,828
BETTY JONES WAS ONE OF THE NAMES
THAT DEBBIE ESTES USED.
483
00:29:21,861 --> 00:29:24,831
THERE ARE PICTURES OF HER
BASICALLY
484
00:29:24,864 --> 00:29:26,398
IN DIFFERENT DISGUISES.
485
00:29:26,432 --> 00:29:31,403
AND SO, AS YOU CAN SEE
WITH THESE TWO PICTURES,
486
00:29:31,437 --> 00:29:35,174
- MY MOM STARTED TRYING
TO LOCATE MY SISTER.
487
00:29:35,207 --> 00:29:41,881
MY MOM FOUND HER PICTURE
IN THE PROSTITUTION FILES
488
00:29:41,914 --> 00:29:45,084
AND THE POLICE SAID,
"NO, THIS IS BETTY JONES.
489
00:29:45,117 --> 00:29:49,922
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR HER
FOR TWO YEARS."
490
00:29:49,956 --> 00:29:51,023
THAT'S DEBRA ESTES."
491
00:29:51,057 --> 00:29:52,992
SO THAT WAS--THAT WAS A SHOCK.
492
00:29:53,025 --> 00:29:56,295
AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME
THAT I KNEW ANYTHING AT ALL
493
00:29:56,328 --> 00:29:59,265
ABOUT PROSTITUTION
BEING INVOLVED.
494
00:29:59,298 --> 00:30:02,969
I HAD NO IDEA THAT MY SISTER
WAS DEAD.
495
00:30:06,572 --> 00:30:08,074
- POLICE IN WASHINGTON STATE
BELIEVE THEY'VE FOUND
496
00:30:08,107 --> 00:30:09,541
THE REMAINS OF ANOTHER VICTIM
497
00:30:09,575 --> 00:30:12,979
OF THE SO-CALLED
"GREEN RIVER KILLER."
498
00:30:18,217 --> 00:30:20,887
- CAROL CHRISTENSEN
WAS NOT A PROSTITUTE.
499
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,491
SO SHE WAS AT THE WRONG
PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME.
500
00:30:25,524 --> 00:30:27,526
PICKS HER UP,
THEY GO TO HIS HOUSE,
501
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,963
AND, UH--HE KILLS HER.
502
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:40,006
- WHEN I SAW THE PICTURES
OF CAROL CHRISTENSEN,
503
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:42,074
I KNEW THIS WAS
THE GREEN RIVER KILLER.
504
00:30:42,108 --> 00:30:51,550
SHE HAD A TROUT ACROSS HER NECK,
505
00:30:51,583 --> 00:30:56,622
A WINE BOTTLE ON HER STOMACH,
WHICH WAS EMPTY,
506
00:30:56,655 --> 00:31:01,560
AND SHE HAD A SACK
ACROSS HER FACE.
507
00:31:01,593 --> 00:31:05,431
SHE HAD HER HANDS CLASPED,
AND ON TOP OF HER HAND
508
00:31:05,464 --> 00:31:09,035
WAS A PILE OF SAUSAGE.
509
00:31:09,068 --> 00:31:12,004
MY FEELING WAS,
THE GREEN RIVER KILLER
510
00:31:12,038 --> 00:31:14,106
DID THAT FOR HIMSELF.
511
00:31:14,140 --> 00:31:17,043
HE WAS ENJOYING
THAT WHOLE PROCESS
512
00:31:17,076 --> 00:31:21,013
OF DECORATING HER BODY
WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS
513
00:31:21,047 --> 00:31:25,084
THAT WE NEVER FOUND
ANYWHERE ELSE.
514
00:31:25,117 --> 00:31:28,187
- PROBABLY BECAUSE POLICE
WERE SO CLOSE WITH MARIE MALVAR
515
00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:30,656
THAT NOW HE HAS TO CHANGE
SOME OF HIS M.O.
516
00:31:30,689 --> 00:31:35,494
- I KNOW THAT THERE WAS
SOME DISCUSSION
517
00:31:35,527 --> 00:31:38,564
THE CAPTAIN AT THE TIME
OPTED TO INCLUDE HER,
518
00:31:38,597 --> 00:31:41,533
UM, BECAUSE HE THOUGHT
THAT WHAT WAS THERE
519
00:31:41,567 --> 00:31:51,443
WAS SENDING A MESSAGE, AND SO
SHE WAS ADDED TO OUR LIST.
520
00:31:58,985 --> 00:32:03,489
- THEY SAY, UH, "OH,
HE ONLY HAS AN IQ OF THIS MUCH."
521
00:32:03,522 --> 00:32:06,425
WELL, I'M SORRY, BUT YOU CAN'T
KEEP THIS MANY MURDERS QUIET
522
00:32:06,458 --> 00:32:10,562
FOR THIS MANY YEARS
WITHOUT A LITTLE BIT OF CUNNING.
523
00:32:10,596 --> 00:32:17,669
- GARY RIDGWAY
PULLED THE STRINGS.
524
00:32:17,703 --> 00:32:20,039
AND THEY DON'T
KNOW HOW SMART I AM."
525
00:32:20,072 --> 00:32:23,709
I THINK THAT WAS
PART OF HIS MAKEUP.
526
00:32:23,742 --> 00:32:28,514
- I MET GARY, UM, BEFORE
I EVER MET MY HUSBAND,
527
00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:30,549
ABOUT 1983.
528
00:32:30,582 --> 00:32:33,352
AND I'D GOTTEN OFF OF WORK
AND I WAS WALKING ALONG
529
00:32:33,385 --> 00:32:35,554
THE ROAD AND HE STOPPED
AND OFFERED ME A RIDE.
530
00:32:35,587 --> 00:32:37,556
HE TRIED TO PICK--
PICK ME UP ALONG HERE,
531
00:32:37,589 --> 00:32:40,626
RIGHT OVER THERE
WHERE THE BRIDGE IS.
532
00:32:40,659 --> 00:32:42,294
AND, UH, I DIDN'T HITCHHIKE
533
00:32:42,328 --> 00:32:44,696
AND I DIDN'T LIKE
THE WAY HE FELT.
534
00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:47,566
SO I--I, UH, SAID
"NO, THANK YOU,"
535
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:49,435
AND HE WASN'T PLEASED.
536
00:32:49,468 --> 00:32:53,405
THE MORE HE TRIED
TO PRESSURE ME INTO THE CAR,
537
00:32:53,439 --> 00:32:54,706
HE KEPT TRYING TO?
538
00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:56,442
- OH, YEAH, HE KEPT TRYING
TO GET ME.
539
00:32:56,475 --> 00:32:58,477
- SO YOU JUST SAW--
YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS.
540
00:32:58,510 --> 00:32:59,778
- NO.
541
00:32:59,811 --> 00:33:02,614
I WALKED DOWN THE STREET
AFTER HE LEFT.
542
00:33:02,648 --> 00:33:07,686
AND I PROCEEDED TO WALK UP
TO A PHONE BOOTH
543
00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:11,157
HALF AN HOUR AFTER
I USED THAT PHONE BOOTH,
544
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:14,526
KIMBERLY NELSON DISAPPEARED
FROM THE SAME PHONE BOOTH.
545
00:33:18,697 --> 00:33:22,768
- WHEN I DID FIRST MEET GARY
THE SECOND TIME,
546
00:33:22,801 --> 00:33:24,770
I KNEW I KNEW HIM FROM SOMEWHERE
BUT I COULDN'T PLACE
547
00:33:24,803 --> 00:33:27,039
WHERE IT WAS,
AND IT TOOK A LITTLE WHILE
548
00:33:27,073 --> 00:33:28,507
FOR ME TO FIGURE IT OUT.
549
00:33:28,540 --> 00:33:30,742
BUT I--
I NEVER MADE ANY CONNECTION.
550
00:33:30,776 --> 00:33:32,444
IT FREAKS ME OUT,
551
00:33:32,478 --> 00:33:35,314
WHEN I REALIZE NOW, YOU KNOW,
552
00:33:35,347 --> 00:33:37,116
I COULD'VE BEEN
ONE OF HIS VICTIMS.
553
00:33:37,149 --> 00:33:38,750
THERE WAS SOMETHING STRANGE
ABOUT GARY,
554
00:33:38,784 --> 00:33:44,056
BUT I NEVER FELT
ANYTHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE.
555
00:33:45,491 --> 00:33:50,396
- THESE ARE THE CUES
THAT I LOOK BACK ON TODAY.
556
00:33:50,429 --> 00:33:53,765
THEY WERE EVERYWHERE
THAT GARY COULD POSSIBLY
557
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:55,834
HAVE BEEN
THE GREEN RIVER KILLER.
558
00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:59,471
BUT I DIDN'T SEE THEM.
559
00:33:59,505 --> 00:34:02,341
- ABOUT 1984, A WOMAN
NAMED REBECCA GUY
560
00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:04,410
GOES TO AUTHORITIES,
AND SAYS THAT
561
00:34:04,443 --> 00:34:06,345
SHE HAD BEEN ASSAULTED
A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE.
562
00:34:06,378 --> 00:34:07,746
THAT SHE WAS PICKED UP BY GARY,
563
00:34:07,779 --> 00:34:10,449
THAT HE DIDN'T WANT
TO HAVE SEX IN THE CAR.
564
00:34:10,482 --> 00:34:12,184
SO THEY GO INTO THE WOODS
AND THEN
565
00:34:12,218 --> 00:34:13,652
HE TRIES TO CHOKE HER
AND KILL HER.
566
00:34:13,685 --> 00:34:16,455
GARY LOST HIS ATTENTION
FOR A SECOND.
567
00:34:16,488 --> 00:34:19,191
SHE GOT AWAY, RAN.
568
00:34:19,225 --> 00:34:24,163
- THAT WAS HOW MORE INFORMATION
ABOUT THE KILLER BECAME KNOWN.
569
00:34:24,196 --> 00:34:30,869
SIZE, HEIGHT, WEIGHT.
570
00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:32,471
- I DID THINK IT WAS GARY.
571
00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:36,342
AND THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE
THAT WOULD TIE HIM.
572
00:34:36,375 --> 00:34:38,577
- MY FIRST THOUGHT
ABOUT GARY RIDGWAY
573
00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:42,714
WHEN HIS NAME FIRST CAME UP,
WAS THAT HE WAS THE KILLER.
574
00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:48,587
GARY RIDGWAY HAD BEEN ARRESTED
A COUPLE OF TIMES
575
00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:52,124
NOW WE HAVE TO WORK ON
FIGURING OUT A WAY
576
00:34:52,158 --> 00:34:57,796
TO GET EVIDENCE LINKED TO HIM
577
00:34:57,829 --> 00:35:04,236
SO WE COULD ARREST HIM.
578
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:05,804
- THIS IS THE GREEN RIVER
NEAR SEATTLE,
579
00:35:05,837 --> 00:35:07,406
WHICH GAVE ITS NAME
TO THE WORST STRING
580
00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:10,142
OF UNSOLVED SERIAL MURDERS
IN U.S. HISTORY.
581
00:35:10,176 --> 00:35:13,812
- PART OF OUR INVESTIGATION
INVOLVED GOING TO THE JAIL
582
00:35:13,845 --> 00:35:16,715
TO TALK TO YOUNG WOMEN WHO HAD
BEEN BOOKED FOR PROSTITUTION.
583
00:35:16,748 --> 00:35:18,250
"HAVE YOU SEEN
ANYBODY ON THE STREET,
584
00:35:18,284 --> 00:35:19,851
"ANYBODY
THAT YOU WERE SCARED OF,
585
00:35:19,885 --> 00:35:22,488
ANYBODY THAT YOU HAD
A BAD FEELING ABOUT?"
586
00:35:22,521 --> 00:35:24,623
UH, YOU KNOW, "DID YOU
KNOW ANY OF THE VICTIMS?"
587
00:35:24,656 --> 00:35:26,792
AND KELI MCGINNESS
WAS ONE OF THE WOMEN
588
00:35:26,825 --> 00:35:28,294
THAT WAS TALKED TO IN THE JAIL.
589
00:35:28,327 --> 00:35:30,896
AND SHE SAID,
"I KNEW SOME OF THE VICTIMS,
590
00:35:30,929 --> 00:35:33,665
"AND DON'T WORRY, 'CAUSE I--
I'LL BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE
591
00:35:33,699 --> 00:35:38,504
THE GREEN RIVER KILLER,"
AND WE'RE LIKE,
592
00:35:38,537 --> 00:35:40,206
I'LL BE ABLE TO PICK IT UP.
I'LL BE ABLE TO TELL."
593
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,509
AND TURNS OUT,
NO, UM, SHE WASN'T ABLE TO TELL.
594
00:35:50,816 --> 00:35:53,885
SHE WAS A VICTIM
OF GARY RIDGWAY,
595
00:35:53,919 --> 00:35:56,255
THE GREEN RIVER KILLER,
596
00:35:56,288 --> 00:36:00,759
AND ONE OF THE THREE WHOSE
BODIES HAVE NOT BEEN RECOVERED.
597
00:36:02,961 --> 00:36:05,864
- OVER THE YEARS I'VE ALWAYS
THOUGHT ABOUT THE VICTIMS
598
00:36:05,897 --> 00:36:07,866
AND HOW THEY SUFFERED.
599
00:36:07,899 --> 00:36:12,638
BUT KELI MCGINNESS SPECIFICALLY,
SHE'S COME TO ME IN DREAMS.
600
00:36:12,671 --> 00:36:15,907
- KELI WAS, UM, A KIND OF
601
00:36:15,941 --> 00:36:19,411
A PRECOCIOUS YOUNG CHILD.
602
00:36:19,445 --> 00:36:22,814
AND SHE WAS--
FROM THE VERY BEGINNING--
603
00:36:23,014 --> 00:36:24,983
FULL OF ENERGY AND FULL OF LIFE.
604
00:36:25,016 --> 00:36:28,987
IT WAS UPSETTING TO ME THAT,
UM, THE YOUNG GIRLS
605
00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:31,557
AND THE VICTIMS OF GARY RIDGWAY
606
00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:36,895
WERE STEREOTYPED AS GIRLS
WHO HAD A BAD UPBRINGING,
607
00:36:36,928 --> 00:36:39,565
THAT THEY CAME FROM
THE WRONG SIDE OF THE TRACKS.
608
00:36:39,598 --> 00:36:42,468
AND IT CERTAINLY WASN'T TRUE
OF KELI
609
00:36:42,501 --> 00:36:44,603
AND I'M SURE
NOT OF MANY OF THOSE GIRLS.
610
00:36:44,636 --> 00:36:46,705
SHE WAS JUST BEING
A REBELLIOUS TEENAGER
611
00:36:46,738 --> 00:36:48,540
AT THAT POINT.
612
00:36:48,574 --> 00:36:49,908
AND THIS WAS THE VERY LAST THING
THAT I WOULD'VE EXPECTED
613
00:36:49,941 --> 00:36:53,412
WOULD'VE HAPPENED,
THAT SHE WOULD RUN AWAY,
614
00:36:53,445 --> 00:36:55,914
STAY ON THE STREETS,
TAKE THE ADVICE
615
00:36:55,947 --> 00:36:58,950
AND ENCOURAGEMENT OF A BOYFRIEND
TWO YEARS OLDER
616
00:36:58,984 --> 00:37:02,988
AND LET HIM, UH,
PUT HER OUT ON THE STREET,
617
00:37:03,021 --> 00:37:06,858
PUT HER IN HARM'S WAY, AND--
AND AT THE HANDS OF--
618
00:37:06,892 --> 00:37:10,862
OF THIS HIDEOUS MONSTER
THAT WAS MURDERING GIRLS.
619
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,371
- KELI WOULD BE GARY RIDGWAY'S
PRIME TROPHY.
620
00:37:21,507 --> 00:37:24,543
THE MOST BEAUTIFUL
OF ALL OF HIS VICTIMS,
621
00:37:24,576 --> 00:37:29,415
AND HE WANTS TO KEEP HER
IN DEATH TO HIMSELF.
622
00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:33,519
- THE PORT OF SEATTLE POLICE
ONCE SAW GARY
623
00:37:33,552 --> 00:37:36,588
AT THE LITTLE LEAGUE FIELD
NEAR THE SEATTLE AIRPORT,
624
00:37:36,622 --> 00:37:40,626
AND HE WAS WITH A YOUNG LADY
AND SHE WAS USING AN ALIAS.
625
00:37:40,659 --> 00:37:42,994
FURTHER INVESTIGATION
INDICATED
626
00:37:43,028 --> 00:37:45,564
THAT THAT WAS KELI MCGINNESS.
627
00:37:45,597 --> 00:37:48,867
KELI MCGINNESS
WAS WITH GARY RIDGWAY
628
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:53,472
IN AN AREA WHERE TWO OR THREE
SET OF REMAINS WERE FOUND,
629
00:37:53,505 --> 00:37:56,708
AND PLUS NEAR OTHER DUMP SITES.
630
00:37:59,545 --> 00:38:01,613
[phone ringing]
631
00:38:01,647 --> 00:38:05,016
- I GOT A FRANTIC TELEPHONE CALL
FROM KELI'S BOYFRIEND,
632
00:38:05,050 --> 00:38:08,887
WHO CLAIMED THAT HE HADN'T
HEARD FROM HER
633
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,856
AND COULDN'T FIND HER.
634
00:38:10,889 --> 00:38:15,026
SHE HAD GONE OUT
ON WHAT SHE CALLED A DATE
635
00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:18,864
AND LEFT HER--
HER PURSE IN THE MOTEL,
636
00:38:18,897 --> 00:38:22,668
AND DIDN'T COME BACK.
637
00:38:22,701 --> 00:38:24,603
I IMMEDIATELY CALLED THE POLICE.
638
00:38:24,636 --> 00:38:26,905
I SPENT A LOT OF TIME DRIVING
THROUGH THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS
639
00:38:26,938 --> 00:38:31,477
LOOKING FOR HER.
640
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:32,978
- WHEN WE'D GO TO THE PARENTS
WE WERE TRYING
641
00:38:33,011 --> 00:38:36,348
TO GET INFORMATION
ABOUT THEIR CHILD.
642
00:38:36,382 --> 00:38:39,551
WHEN THEY LAST SAW THEM,
WHO THEIR FRIENDS WERE,
643
00:38:39,585 --> 00:38:41,753
WHAT KIND OF CLOTHES
DID THEY TYPICALLY WEAR?
644
00:38:41,787 --> 00:38:43,955
UM, WHAT WERE THEY DOING,
DID THEY KNOW
645
00:38:43,989 --> 00:38:45,757
WHAT THEY WERE DOING
WHEN THEY WEREN'T AT HOME
646
00:38:45,791 --> 00:38:47,759
OR HAD THEY RUN AWAY?
647
00:38:47,793 --> 00:38:51,430
- WHEN THE POLICE TOLD ME
THAT THEY WERE GOING TO
648
00:38:51,463 --> 00:38:55,000
CONTACT THE GREEN RIVER
TASK FORCE,
649
00:38:55,033 --> 00:38:58,103
I WAS JUST ILL.
I WAS SICK.
650
00:38:58,136 --> 00:39:02,040
I WAS IN DENIAL
A-A LOT THAT, UM,
651
00:39:02,073 --> 00:39:06,612
SHE REALLY WASN'T GONE,
THAT SHE WASN'T DEAD.
652
00:39:06,645 --> 00:39:10,782
I-I KNOW I WAS IN DENIAL,
BUT AT TIMES I WOULD TELL MYSELF
653
00:39:10,816 --> 00:39:15,754
THAT PERHAPS SHE, UM,
PERHAPS SOMEONE ABDUCTED HER,
654
00:39:15,787 --> 00:39:18,156
OR BY HER OWN WILL
SHE WENT TO CHINA
655
00:39:18,189 --> 00:39:20,058
AND SHE WAS MAYBE WORKING
OVER THERE,
656
00:39:20,091 --> 00:39:22,428
AND THAT SOMEDAY
I'D OPEN THE DOOR
657
00:39:22,461 --> 00:39:24,530
AND MY DAUGHTER
WOULD WALK THROUGH IT.
658
00:39:26,998 --> 00:39:32,671
SHE WAS 18 WHEN GARY RIDGWAY
STRANGLED HER.
659
00:39:32,704 --> 00:39:36,808
- IN THE 1980s, GARY CONVINCED
MY GRANDPARENTS TO BUY PROPERTY
660
00:39:36,842 --> 00:39:38,944
AT LEISURE TIME CAMPGROUND,
661
00:39:38,977 --> 00:39:41,580
WHERE WE WOULD GO ON VACATION
AS A FAMILY.
662
00:39:41,613 --> 00:39:45,851
GARY OFTEN SAID THAT HE BURIED
KELI MCGINNESS HERE.
663
00:39:45,884 --> 00:39:48,887
POLICE FOUND THE REMAINS
OF THREE WOMEN.
664
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,690
NONE OF THEM WERE KELI.
665
00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:53,792
I'D LIKE TO FIND HER REMAINS.
666
00:39:53,825 --> 00:39:57,529
THE BONES OF TINA THOMPSON,
SHE'S 22...
667
00:39:57,563 --> 00:39:59,598
- AWW.
- WERE FOUND ON JULY 25TH.
668
00:39:59,631 --> 00:40:00,999
- THEN YOU WONDER
IF WHEN HE WAS GOING
669
00:40:01,032 --> 00:40:02,834
ON THOSE WALKS ALL BY HIMSELF,
670
00:40:02,868 --> 00:40:04,570
IF HE'S GOING BACK TO THE PLACES
WHERE THEY WERE FOUND.
671
00:40:04,603 --> 00:40:06,572
- VISITING HIS VICTIMS,
I DON'T KNOW.
672
00:40:06,605 --> 00:40:08,006
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
673
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:10,642
MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER
THAT NO ONE KNOWS OF.
674
00:40:10,676 --> 00:40:12,511
- WHEN WE WOULD COME HERE
WITH GARY
675
00:40:12,544 --> 00:40:14,980
AND HE ALWAYS WOULD
TAKE THESE LONG WALKS,
676
00:40:15,013 --> 00:40:16,882
AND ME AND JUDITH WOULD SIT
AND CHEW THE FAT
677
00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:21,487
AND CROCHET AND WHATEVER,
AND IT'S JUST SO STRANGE.
678
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,855
YOU KNOW, "WHAT THE HELL
IS HE DOING?"
679
00:40:23,889 --> 00:40:25,557
DID I STAND ON SOMEONE'S GRAVE?
680
00:40:25,591 --> 00:40:28,960
DID I SLEEP ON SOMEONE'S GRAVE?
681
00:40:28,994 --> 00:40:33,665
- THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE,
I WAS PROBABLY SEVEN.
682
00:40:33,699 --> 00:40:39,605
I MEAN, I JUST AM WALKING DOWN
THIS LITTLE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY HERE
683
00:40:39,638 --> 00:40:41,640
AND I'M THINKING,
684
00:40:41,673 --> 00:40:46,011
"DID HE DO IT HERE?
DID HE DO IT THERE?
685
00:40:46,044 --> 00:40:48,046
"WHERE DID HE DO IT?
686
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,649
HOW IS SOMEONE
CAPABLE OF THAT?"
687
00:40:50,682 --> 00:40:52,117
I FEEL ASHAMED.
688
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:54,953
I FEEL ASHAMED TO HAVE
BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH HIM.
689
00:40:54,986 --> 00:40:58,990
I FEEL ASHAMED THAT...
690
00:40:59,024 --> 00:41:02,193
HE AND I HAVE THE SAME DNA.
691
00:41:02,227 --> 00:41:04,563
THIS PLACE IS ONLY IMPORTANT
FOR ME NOW
692
00:41:04,596 --> 00:41:07,733
SOLELY BECAUSE IT'S THE PLACE
OF--OF WHERE THESE--
693
00:41:07,766 --> 00:41:09,167
THESE WOMEN WERE BURIED.
694
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,705
THAT'S THE ONLY THING
THAT MATTERS ANYMORE.
695
00:41:16,675 --> 00:41:19,077
- WHERE THERE'S SMOKE,
THERE'S FIRE.
696
00:41:19,110 --> 00:41:21,647
AND IF YOU WERE TO LOOK
AT ALL THE TIMES
697
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,616
THAT THEY HAD GARY
ON THE RADAR SCREEN.
698
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:27,719
- GARY RIDGWAY HAD BEEN ARRESTED
A COUPLE OF TIMES
699
00:41:27,753 --> 00:41:30,922
FOR FREQUENTING PROSTITUTES.
700
00:41:30,956 --> 00:41:33,191
- PORT OF SEATTLE,
THEY COME ACROSS HIM ONE DAY,
701
00:41:33,224 --> 00:41:36,762
PARKED, AND BASICALLY
HE'S VERY CLOSE TO A VICTIM,
702
00:41:36,795 --> 00:41:38,897
BUT HE SAYS
HE WAS RELIEVING HIMSELF
703
00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:40,766
AND HE WAS LET GO.
704
00:41:40,799 --> 00:41:43,935
- AS PROSECUTORS, WE--
IN OUR FILES BACK AT THAT TIME,
705
00:41:43,969 --> 00:41:46,638
WE HAD PICTURES OF THE TRUCK
OF RIDGWAY.
706
00:41:46,672 --> 00:41:49,641
WE HAD SKETCHES
IN ALL OF OUR FILES.
707
00:41:49,675 --> 00:41:54,112
BECAUSE WE WERE CONSTANTLY
BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT PEOPLE
708
00:41:54,145 --> 00:41:55,914
THAT WE DEALT
WITH AS PROSECUTORS
709
00:41:55,947 --> 00:41:59,551
AS POTENTIAL SUSPECTS.
710
00:41:59,585 --> 00:42:02,621
- SO DENISE BUSH DISAPPEARED.
711
00:42:02,654 --> 00:42:07,292
SHE AND HER PIMP STAYED
IN A HOTEL WATCHING SOAP OPERAS.
712
00:42:07,325 --> 00:42:09,094
AND SO, UH,
THEY NEEDED CIGARETTES.
713
00:42:09,127 --> 00:42:10,729
SO THEY SAY
"WELL, LET'S FLIP A COIN."
714
00:42:10,762 --> 00:42:13,565
AND DENISE LOST,
AND SHE HAD TO GO TO THE STORE
715
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:18,103
TO GET CIGARETTES.
SO SHE VANISHES.
716
00:42:18,136 --> 00:42:21,039
- I REMEMBER IN 1985,
GARY TOOK MATTHEW
717
00:42:21,072 --> 00:42:23,008
ON A CAMPING TRIP TO OREGON.
718
00:42:23,041 --> 00:42:26,712
- MY RECOLLECTION OF DENISE BUSH
IS PRIMARILY ABOUT
719
00:42:26,745 --> 00:42:30,015
WHERE SHE WAS FOUND, UM,
ALONG PACIFIC HIGHWAY SOUTH
720
00:42:30,048 --> 00:42:34,820
AND THEN PARTS OF HER REMAINS
WERE ALSO FOUND IN OREGON.
721
00:42:34,853 --> 00:42:37,689
- HER SKULL IS FOUND IN OREGON.
722
00:42:37,723 --> 00:42:39,725
SO THEN POLICE ARE SCRATCHING
THEIR HEADS,
723
00:42:39,758 --> 00:42:42,761
SAYING WHAT'S GOING ON?
724
00:42:42,794 --> 00:42:44,863
- IT GOT US CONCERNED THAT,
725
00:42:44,896 --> 00:42:47,065
MAYBE HE'S GONNA TAKE SOMEBODY
A LOT FURTHER
726
00:42:47,098 --> 00:42:50,836
THAN JUST PORTLAND.
727
00:42:54,005 --> 00:42:55,607
- WHAT WERE YOU DOING IN OREGON?
728
00:42:55,641 --> 00:42:59,678
- TAKING MATTHEW FOR, UH,
A VACATION, I THINK.
729
00:42:59,711 --> 00:43:02,714
- WOULD IT HAVE BEEN SHORTLY
AFTER YOU RETRIEVED THE SKULLS?
730
00:43:02,748 --> 00:43:04,149
- YES.
731
00:43:04,182 --> 00:43:06,084
- WHERE DID YOU HIDE THE SKULLS
WHEN YOU DROVE DOWN THERE?
732
00:43:06,117 --> 00:43:08,787
- I PUT 'EM IN THE TRUNK
OF THE CAR IN PLASTIC BAGS.
733
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:11,122
- WHY THERE?
734
00:43:11,156 --> 00:43:12,724
- I WAS TAKING MATTHEW
OVER THERE
735
00:43:12,758 --> 00:43:14,660
AND HE WAS RIDING HIS BIKE.
736
00:43:14,693 --> 00:43:17,062
- BUT NO HISTORY, NO CONNECTION
TO THAT SPOT?
737
00:43:17,095 --> 00:43:18,630
- NO, NO CONNECTION, NOTHING.
738
00:43:18,664 --> 00:43:21,633
- GARY WAS LIVING A DOUBLE LIFE.
739
00:43:21,667 --> 00:43:27,673
I STILL, TO THIS DAY,
CAN'T GRASP THE MAGNITUDE OF,
740
00:43:27,706 --> 00:43:31,276
OF THE AGONY HE'S CAUSED
OTHERS AND, YOU KNOW,
741
00:43:31,309 --> 00:43:34,780
THE AGONY HE'S CAUSED
HIS OWN FAMILY.
742
00:43:38,183 --> 00:43:40,986
- IN 1984, 30 WOMEN
HAD BEEN KILLED
743
00:43:41,019 --> 00:43:43,755
BY THE GREEN RIVER KILLER.
744
00:43:43,789 --> 00:43:46,958
WE DID NOT KNOW THAT GARY
WAS UNDER POLICE SURVEILLANCE.
745
00:43:46,992 --> 00:43:50,061
- WE WERE INTERESTED
IN PEOPLE
746
00:43:50,095 --> 00:43:54,933
WHO HAD EXPERIENCE
WITH PROSTITUTES,
747
00:43:54,966 --> 00:43:56,868
AND HE WAS ONE OF THEM.
748
00:43:56,902 --> 00:44:00,005
- YOU HAVE A CALL FROM AN INMATE
749
00:44:00,038 --> 00:44:01,406
AT WASHINGTON STATE
PENITENTIARY.
750
00:44:01,439 --> 00:44:05,777
- WHAT ALLOWED YOU TO MURDER
THE YOUNG GIRLS?
751
00:44:05,811 --> 00:44:09,314
- EVERY TIME YOU THINK YOU FOUND
THE LAST VICTIM,
752
00:44:09,347 --> 00:44:11,449
YOU'D FIND ANOTHER.
AND ANOTHER.
753
00:44:11,482 --> 00:44:12,951
- THEY HADN'T CAUGHT THE KILLER.
754
00:44:12,984 --> 00:44:14,820
AND MORE WOMEN WERE
STILL DISAPPEARING.
755
00:44:14,853 --> 00:44:16,722
- WE FOUND HIM.
HE'S THE ONE.
756
00:44:16,755 --> 00:44:20,458
- GARY RIDGWAY'S BEEN ARRESTED
AND HE'S THE GREEN RIVER KILLER.
757
00:44:20,491 --> 00:44:22,193
- MY HEART STOPPED.
758
00:44:22,227 --> 00:44:26,732
- DEBBIE WAS MY LITTLE SISTER.
SHE WAS MY LITTLE SISTER.
759
00:44:26,765 --> 00:44:30,702
- I'M SO SORRY
FOR WHAT YOU'VE LOST.
760
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,208
- 37 WOMEN ARE DEAD,
9 MORE STILL MISSING,
761
00:44:37,242 --> 00:44:39,878
AND POLICE HAVE SPENT
$10 MILLION HUNTING
762
00:44:39,911 --> 00:44:47,385
THE MOST DEADLY SERIAL KILLER
IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
763
00:44:47,418 --> 00:44:51,389
- IN 1985 I WAS GOING TO
PARENTS WITHOUT PARTNERS.
764
00:44:51,422 --> 00:44:55,026
I SAT ACROSS FROM GARY
AND--AND HE ASKED ME TO DANCE.
765
00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:56,762
WENT OUT TO DINNER WITH HIM,
I THOUGHT
766
00:44:56,795 --> 00:44:57,963
HE WAS QUITE THE GENTLEMAN.
767
00:44:57,996 --> 00:45:00,999
HE'D OPEN THE DOOR FOR ME AND--
768
00:45:01,032 --> 00:45:03,935
AND WAS JUST SO KIND AND POLITE.
769
00:45:03,969 --> 00:45:08,039
AND I FELL IN LOVE WITH HIM.
770
00:45:10,408 --> 00:45:14,379
I WAS SO PROUD OF GARY, WHENEVER
HIS SON WAS THERE WITH HIM,
771
00:45:14,412 --> 00:45:15,847
TO SPEND TIME WITH HIM,
772
00:45:15,881 --> 00:45:17,515
AND HE WAS SUCH
A WONDERFUL FATHER.
773
00:45:17,548 --> 00:45:21,820
IT WAS JUST REALLY NICE
KNOWING THAT THIS PERSON
774
00:45:21,853 --> 00:45:23,822
THAT I'M DATING,
HE LOVES HIS CHILD
775
00:45:23,855 --> 00:45:25,490
AND A NICE FAMILY.
776
00:45:25,523 --> 00:45:29,928
GARY ASKED ME, HE SAID, "WOULD
YOU LIKE TO MOVE IN WITH ME?"
777
00:45:29,961 --> 00:45:32,798
THEN, UH, WE DECIDED
TO GET MARRIED.
778
00:45:35,166 --> 00:45:37,335
- HE'D GO TO WORK EARLY,
YOU KNOW,
779
00:45:37,368 --> 00:45:39,871
AND JUDITH WOULD HAVE HIS LUNCH
ALL READY.
780
00:45:39,905 --> 00:45:42,473
AND THEN AFTER WORK
HE'D COME OVER AND SIT DOWN,
781
00:45:42,507 --> 00:45:44,275
HAVE A BEER.
782
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:47,813
OR SOMETHING TO EAT
OR WHATEVER AND...
783
00:45:47,846 --> 00:45:50,882
THE DOG WOULD SNIFF HIM
FOR HOURS
784
00:45:50,916 --> 00:45:53,952
AND HOURS AND HOURS.
785
00:45:53,985 --> 00:45:57,522
TURNED OUT,
THERE WAS A LOT TO SMELL.
786
00:45:57,555 --> 00:46:00,058
YOU KNOW,
A LOT TO INVESTIGATE.
787
00:46:04,362 --> 00:46:07,999
- SO IN 1987, THE TASK FORCE
STARTED GEARING UP
788
00:46:08,033 --> 00:46:11,302
TO GO AFTER GARY RIDGWAY
OFFICIALLY,
789
00:46:11,336 --> 00:46:15,540
BECAUSE THERE WERE
TOO MANY THINGS THAT MATCHED UP.
790
00:46:15,573 --> 00:46:19,811
- WE SERVED A SEARCH WARRANT
ON HIS HOUSE IN 1987.
791
00:46:19,845 --> 00:46:22,147
- SOME POLICE CAME,
AND PICKED ME UP
792
00:46:22,180 --> 00:46:24,582
FROM MY DAYCARE CENTER
THAT I WORKED AT.
793
00:46:24,615 --> 00:46:26,384
THEY WERE ASKING ME
QUESTIONS ABOUT
794
00:46:26,417 --> 00:46:28,920
A SUSPECT OF
THE GREEN RIVER KILLER.
795
00:46:28,954 --> 00:46:33,859
I WAS IN SHOCK,
AND YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T
796
00:46:33,892 --> 00:46:35,360
KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.
797
00:46:35,393 --> 00:46:39,264
SOMEONE WAS GONNA BE SEARCHING
OUR HOUSE AND I SAID NO,
798
00:46:39,297 --> 00:46:41,499
HE--HE COULDN'T DO
ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
799
00:46:41,532 --> 00:46:43,869
THEY PICKED GARY UP,
TOOK HIM SOMEPLACE
800
00:46:43,902 --> 00:46:46,437
TO TALK TO HIM.
801
00:46:46,471 --> 00:46:49,240
AND ASK HIM QUESTIONS.
802
00:46:49,274 --> 00:46:52,010
- HE WAS AN IMPORTANT SUSPECT
BECAUSE
803
00:46:52,043 --> 00:46:53,444
THERE WEREN'T THAT MANY CASES
804
00:46:53,478 --> 00:46:56,014
WITH EXECUTIONS
OF SEARCH WARRANTS.
805
00:46:56,047 --> 00:46:58,416
THE CAB DRIVER WAS ONE,
AS I REMEMBER.
806
00:46:58,449 --> 00:46:59,851
RIDGWAY WAS ANOTHER.
807
00:46:59,885 --> 00:47:03,021
- I WAS MAYBE SIX.
808
00:47:03,054 --> 00:47:04,890
BUT I DO SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER
809
00:47:04,923 --> 00:47:06,624
BEING IN
MY GRANDPARENTS' DRIVEWAY.
810
00:47:06,657 --> 00:47:09,027
THEY HAD TAKEN THE DODGE TRUCK
811
00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:11,963
THAT GRANDMA MARY
AND GRANDPA TOM OWNED.
812
00:47:11,997 --> 00:47:13,865
I REMEMBER MY GRANDMA
BEING UPSET.
813
00:47:13,899 --> 00:47:17,402
SHE COULDN'T EVEN TALK TO ME.
814
00:47:17,435 --> 00:47:20,972
- THAT'S WHEN THE FBI
TOOK TOM AND MARY ASIDE,
815
00:47:21,006 --> 00:47:24,042
AND ASKED THEM QUESTIONS
AT THEIR HOUSE.
816
00:47:24,075 --> 00:47:27,278
I JUST THOUGHT, MARY,
THIS IS RIDICULOUS,
817
00:47:27,312 --> 00:47:28,880
THAT GARY WOULD
BE INVESTIGATED.
818
00:47:28,914 --> 00:47:31,216
WE KNOW HIS BACKGROUND.
WE KNOW THAT GARY
819
00:47:31,249 --> 00:47:34,585
DOESN'T HAVE IT IN HIM
TO KILL WOMEN AND--
820
00:47:34,619 --> 00:47:38,156
I JUST DISMISSED
THE WHOLE THING.
821
00:47:38,189 --> 00:47:40,325
- AND THEY SEARCH HIS HOUSE,
EVERYTHING.
822
00:47:40,358 --> 00:47:43,428
FIBER EVIDENCE, WHERE IS IT?
THEY CAN'T FIND IT.
823
00:47:43,461 --> 00:47:47,365
I MEAN THEY CANNOT FIND A SHRED
OF EVIDENCE TO CHARGE HIM.
824
00:47:47,398 --> 00:47:49,100
- THE FEELING OF
THE PROSECUTORS OFFICE
825
00:47:49,134 --> 00:47:52,670
AND THE POLICE WAS,
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH,
826
00:47:52,703 --> 00:47:55,907
TO PROSECUTE HIM.
FACTS ARE STUBBORN THINGS,
827
00:47:55,941 --> 00:47:56,942
I MEAN THEY ARE
WHAT THEY ARE.
828
00:47:56,975 --> 00:48:00,411
AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE 'EM.
829
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:05,316
- HE TAKES A POLYGRAPH AND
HE PASSES IT.
830
00:48:05,350 --> 00:48:08,119
- GARY PASSED
A LIE DETECTOR TEST.
831
00:48:08,153 --> 00:48:11,356
I SAID, SEE,
THAT'S PROOF POSITIVE.
832
00:48:11,389 --> 00:48:12,657
- GARY RIDGWAY
PASSED A POLYGRAPH.
833
00:48:12,690 --> 00:48:14,625
SO DID TED BUNDY.
834
00:48:14,659 --> 00:48:15,961
THAT KINDA TELLS YOU EVERYTHING.
835
00:48:15,994 --> 00:48:17,996
- BASED ON THAT POLYGRAPH,
836
00:48:18,029 --> 00:48:21,032
THEY TURN IT INTO
AN INACTIVE FILE.
837
00:48:23,734 --> 00:48:28,039
BUT ROUTINELY, THEY DID HAVE HIM
SUCK ON GAUZE.
838
00:48:28,073 --> 00:48:30,441
AND THEY GOT, UH,
SOME SALIVA FROM HIM.
839
00:48:30,475 --> 00:48:34,412
- SALIVA SWABS COULD HELP
NARROW DOWN YOUR SUSPECT POOL.
840
00:48:34,445 --> 00:48:37,482
- BUT THEN WHEN YOU LOOK
BACK ON IT YOU'RE LIKE,
841
00:48:37,515 --> 00:48:39,284
WHY DID THEY GET IT WRONG?
842
00:48:39,317 --> 00:48:41,686
LIKE, WHY DIDN'T
THEY CATCH HIM THEN?
843
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:46,291
- IN THE 1980s, DNA WAS NOT
WHAT WE'RE ALL USED TO NOW.
844
00:48:46,324 --> 00:48:50,461
DNA WAS BRAND NEW.
IT WAS NOT SOPHISTICATED.
845
00:48:50,495 --> 00:48:53,064
YOU WOULD THEN HAVE BEEN FACED
WITH A WHOLE HOST OF LITIGATION.
846
00:48:53,098 --> 00:48:55,000
WAS IT TAKEN RIGHT?
WAS IT STORED RIGHT?
847
00:48:55,033 --> 00:48:57,235
WAS THE METHODS USED RIGHT?
848
00:48:57,268 --> 00:48:59,570
AND THEN THE HARDEST PART
THEN TOO
849
00:48:59,604 --> 00:49:02,673
WOULD HAVE BEEN CONVINCING
A JURY
850
00:49:02,707 --> 00:49:05,710
THAT DNA EVIDENCE
WAS GOOD AND SOLID.
851
00:49:09,580 --> 00:49:11,049
- WHEN GARY CAME HOME,
852
00:49:11,082 --> 00:49:13,651
HE HAD TOLD ME
THAT THEY MADE A MISTAKE.
853
00:49:13,684 --> 00:49:18,056
AND THAT HIS TRUCK LOOKED LIKE
SOMEONE ELSE'S.
854
00:49:18,089 --> 00:49:21,526
AND HE CONVINCED ME
AND HIS FAMILY THAT,
855
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,161
UH, IT WAS A MISTAKE.
856
00:49:23,194 --> 00:49:25,463
AND THEN AFTER A WHILE
ALL OF THAT CALMED DOWN.
857
00:49:25,496 --> 00:49:30,335
AND UH, WE DIDN'T
THINK ABOUT THAT ANYMORE.
858
00:49:30,368 --> 00:49:35,606
AND HE WAS STILL
THE SAME GARY THAT I KNEW.
859
00:49:40,178 --> 00:49:42,147
- FIVE YEARS AGO TODAY,
POLICE FOUND A BODY
860
00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:44,515
IN THE GREEN RIVER,
16-YEAR-OLD WENDY COFFIELD,
861
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:46,584
THE FIRST VICTIM
OF WHAT CAME TO BE KNOWN
862
00:49:46,617 --> 00:49:48,253
AS THE GREEN RIVER KILLER.
863
00:49:48,286 --> 00:49:50,188
TODAY, THE KILLER
IS STILL AT LARGE,
864
00:49:50,221 --> 00:49:53,024
GREATER SEATTLE HAS BECOME
HIS BURIAL GROUND.
865
00:49:53,058 --> 00:49:56,727
- EVERY TIME YOU THINK,
YOU'VE FOUND THE LAST VICTIM,
866
00:49:56,761 --> 00:49:59,364
ANOTHER YEAR WOULD GO BY,
AND YOU'D FIND ANOTHER ONE.
867
00:49:59,397 --> 00:50:02,400
AND ANOTHER YEAR.
AND ANOTHER.
868
00:50:02,433 --> 00:50:07,305
ONE OF THE VICTIMS,
WHICH WAS A SURPRISE TO US,
869
00:50:07,338 --> 00:50:10,608
WAS BURIED,
OUTSIDE AN APARTMENT HOUSE.
870
00:50:10,641 --> 00:50:13,444
- THEY DISCOVERED
A BONE AT THAT POINT
871
00:50:13,478 --> 00:50:15,346
AND THEN CALLED THE POLICE,
AND THE CAME OUT
872
00:50:15,380 --> 00:50:19,184
AND, YOU KNOW--
FOUND HER REMAINS.
873
00:50:19,217 --> 00:50:22,353
AND ENDED UP CONFIRMING
THROUGH THE DENTAL CHARTS
874
00:50:22,387 --> 00:50:24,455
THAT THAT WAS INDEED DEBBIE.
875
00:50:24,489 --> 00:50:27,825
- SHE WAS FOUND JUST BLOCKS
AWAY FROM THE STEVENS HOTEL,
876
00:50:27,858 --> 00:50:29,627
WHICH WAS ACROSS THE STREET
877
00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:32,530
FROM WHERE HER MOM AND DAD
HAD A BUSINESS.
878
00:50:32,563 --> 00:50:34,832
AND SHE HAD NOT GONE VERY FAR.
879
00:50:34,865 --> 00:50:39,804
- DEBBIE WAS MY LITTLE SISTER.
880
00:50:39,837 --> 00:50:41,672
SHE WAS MY LITTLE SISTER.
881
00:50:41,706 --> 00:50:43,574
- WHEN DEBBIE ESTES WAS FOUND,
882
00:50:43,608 --> 00:50:47,145
OF COURSE,
ALL THE RELATIVES OF GIRLS
883
00:50:47,178 --> 00:50:49,580
WHO HAD NOT BEEN FOUND,
YOU KNOW, THEY THINK THAT
884
00:50:49,614 --> 00:50:52,183
SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN
IN THEIR FAMILY.
885
00:50:52,217 --> 00:50:53,551
- THERE WAS A LONG PERIOD
OF TIME.
886
00:50:53,584 --> 00:50:58,456
WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE TASK FORCE
WAS WORKING
887
00:50:58,489 --> 00:51:02,527
TO FIND THE BODIES, THEY WERE
WORKING TO FIND THE KILLER,
888
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,597
AND THERE WASN'T ANY, YOU KNOW,
DEFINITIVE ANSWERS.
889
00:51:06,631 --> 00:51:11,336
THE SEARCH FOR KELI WENT ON
AND ON FOR MANY YEARS.
890
00:51:11,369 --> 00:51:13,271
- EVENTUALLY, THEY'RE SPENDING
$2 MILLION A YEAR.
891
00:51:13,304 --> 00:51:16,207
PEOPLE KNEW THAT
THE RESOURCES WERE GONNA
892
00:51:16,241 --> 00:51:17,875
START DISAPPEARING,
AND THEY DID.
893
00:51:17,908 --> 00:51:23,581
- ABOUT 1989 IS WHEN WE WERE
DISBANDING THE TASK FORCE.
894
00:51:23,614 --> 00:51:25,416
RESOURCES WERE SHORT.
895
00:51:25,450 --> 00:51:27,352
AND, UH...
896
00:51:27,385 --> 00:51:30,821
PEOPLE WERE BEING REASSIGNED
TO DIFFERENT UNITS.
897
00:51:30,855 --> 00:51:32,823
- IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
PROFESSION,
898
00:51:32,857 --> 00:51:34,759
YOU TRY TO HOLD IT TOGETHER,
899
00:51:34,792 --> 00:51:36,461
AND YOU TRY NOT TO LET
THINGS GET TO YOU,
900
00:51:36,494 --> 00:51:38,329
AND IT WAS STARTING
TO GET TO ME.
901
00:51:38,363 --> 00:51:40,131
I THINK IT'S MORE
OF A CHALLENGE
902
00:51:40,165 --> 00:51:41,332
THAN ANYTHING ELSE
AT THIS POINT.
903
00:51:41,366 --> 00:51:43,334
'CAUSE I WANNA OUTLAST THE GUY.
904
00:51:43,368 --> 00:51:47,838
I WANNA BE AROUND
TO WATCH HIM GO BEHIND BARS.
905
00:51:47,872 --> 00:51:49,907
AND I'LL STAY HERE UNTIL THEN.
906
00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:52,677
- AND BY 1990,
BASICALLY, IT WAS OVER.
907
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:54,245
AND IT SHOULDN'T'VE BEEN OVER
908
00:51:54,279 --> 00:51:55,813
BECAUSE THEY HADN'T CAUGHT
THE KILLER.
909
00:51:55,846 --> 00:52:05,856
AND MORE WOMEN
WERE STILL DISAPPEARING.
910
00:52:05,890 --> 00:52:15,166
AND MORE WOMEN
WERE STILL DISAPPEARING.
911
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,236
- BY 2000, I WAS
THE CHIEF OF DETECTIVES
912
00:52:18,269 --> 00:52:20,205
WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
913
00:52:20,238 --> 00:52:22,440
WE KNEW WHOEVER
THE GREEN RIVER KILLER WAS
914
00:52:22,473 --> 00:52:25,276
HADN'T BEEN ARRESTED
AND HADN'T BEEN CHARGED.
915
00:52:25,310 --> 00:52:28,246
IT WAS STILL
AN OPEN INVESTIGATION.
916
00:52:28,279 --> 00:52:30,915
- WE WERE JUST AN AVERAGE
AMERICAN FAMILY.
917
00:52:32,483 --> 00:52:36,187
LIFE WAS PRETTY NORMAL
FOR US RIDGWAYS
918
00:52:36,221 --> 00:52:39,324
UNTIL NOVEMBER OF 2001.
919
00:52:40,925 --> 00:52:44,695
[police siren]
- HE GOT ARRESTED, AGAIN,
920
00:52:44,729 --> 00:52:46,531
BY A DECOY, FOR PROSTITUTION.
921
00:52:46,564 --> 00:52:50,201
- AFTER GARY CAME HOME
FROM JAIL, THEN,
922
00:52:50,235 --> 00:52:55,440
GARY TOLD ME THAT HIS CAR DIED
AS HE WAS DRIVING THROUGH
923
00:52:55,473 --> 00:52:59,277
A FOUR-WAY STOP,
AND HE GOT PICKED UP.
924
00:52:59,310 --> 00:53:02,313
AND THAT'S WHY THEY GAVE HIM
A TICKET.
925
00:53:02,347 --> 00:53:04,615
AND I-I BELIEVED HIM.
926
00:53:06,417 --> 00:53:08,686
WE SPENT THANKSGIVING WITH
HIS OLDER BROTHER
927
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,788
AND HIS WIFE AND FAMILY.
928
00:53:10,821 --> 00:53:13,324
- GARY DID NOT MENTION A THING
929
00:53:13,358 --> 00:53:16,661
ABOUT BEING ARRESTED FOR
PROSTITUTION.
930
00:53:16,694 --> 00:53:20,531
- HE CAME TO THANKSGIVING,
AND HE WAS ACTING WEIRD.
931
00:53:20,565 --> 00:53:22,867
- HE DIDN'T WANT
TO TALK TO ANYONE.
932
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:25,336
HE SAT ON THE COUCH
WITH HIS HANDS FOLDED,
933
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:27,305
AND THAT WASN'T GARY.
934
00:53:27,338 --> 00:53:28,806
GARY WAS ALWAYS MOVING AROUND.
935
00:53:28,839 --> 00:53:31,242
- I DO REMEMBER
ASKING MY PARENTS, SAYING,
936
00:53:31,276 --> 00:53:33,978
"MOM, WHAT'S WRONG WITH GARY?"
937
00:53:34,011 --> 00:53:35,713
- SHE SAID THAT HE--
"MOM, DIDN'T YOU NOTICE
938
00:53:35,746 --> 00:53:38,849
THAT HE WAS QUIET?
THAT HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING?"
939
00:53:38,883 --> 00:53:43,421
I DIDN'T SEE ANY BEHAVIOR
940
00:53:43,454 --> 00:53:45,323
THAT IN FACT HE COULD HAVE
POSSIBLY
941
00:53:45,356 --> 00:53:47,592
HAVE BEEN JUST ARRESTED.
- RIGHT AROUND THAT TIME,
942
00:53:47,625 --> 00:53:49,560
HE WAS SEEN PICKING UP
A PROSTITUTE AGAIN,
943
00:53:49,594 --> 00:53:53,531
SO WE HAD A MEETING
WITH THE SHERIFF
944
00:53:53,564 --> 00:53:55,400
AND SOME OF
THE KEY INVESTIGATORS.
945
00:53:55,433 --> 00:53:58,035
THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT
WE HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT,
946
00:53:58,068 --> 00:54:00,004
HAVE OVERLOOKED.
LET'S LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE.
947
00:54:00,037 --> 00:54:03,841
LET'S SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS
STILL THERE, WHAT'S USABLE.
948
00:54:03,874 --> 00:54:09,747
SO IN 1980s, IT WAS GOOD POLICE
PROCEDURE TO TAKE SALIVA SWABS
949
00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:13,818
FROM PEOPLE THAT YOU WERE
DOING INVESTIGATIONS ON.
950
00:54:13,851 --> 00:54:15,953
DOING THAT WITH GARY RIDGWAY
WAS EXCELLENT,
951
00:54:15,986 --> 00:54:19,290
SO WE HAD THIS LITTLE PIECE
OF DNA LEFT
952
00:54:19,324 --> 00:54:20,858
THAT WE COULD HAVE TESTED.
953
00:54:20,891 --> 00:54:25,530
WE WERE ABLE TO COMPARE THAT
SALIVA SWAB TO THE SEMINAL FLUID
954
00:54:25,563 --> 00:54:28,433
THAT WAS TAKEN FROM ONE OF
THE VICTIMS.
955
00:54:28,466 --> 00:54:30,735
I SAID "OKAY, LET'S DO IT."
WE DID IT.
956
00:54:30,768 --> 00:54:34,505
AND IT CONNECTED THE DOTS
WITH GARY RIDGWAY.
957
00:54:37,342 --> 00:54:40,978
FOUR DAYS AFTER THANKSGIVING,
THEN NOVEMBER 30TH,
958
00:54:41,011 --> 00:54:44,782
THAT'S WHEN SOME DETECTIVES
KNOCKED ON THE DOOR,
959
00:54:44,815 --> 00:54:49,787
AND THEY WANTED TO COME IN AND
TALK TO ME ABOUT GARY RIDGWAY.
960
00:54:49,820 --> 00:54:54,359
THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE
PICKING UP GARY AT KENWORTH
961
00:54:54,392 --> 00:54:55,993
AS WE SPEAK.
962
00:54:56,026 --> 00:54:59,730
HELD THE DOOR OPEN WITH THEIR
FOOT AND THEN THEY CAME IN,
963
00:54:59,764 --> 00:55:03,701
AND INTERROGATED ME
FOR ABOUT TWO HOURS,
964
00:55:03,734 --> 00:55:08,439
AND I WAS JUST
IN IMMEDIATE SHOCK,
965
00:55:08,473 --> 00:55:11,809
AND I WAS SAYING
"NO, THIS CAN'T BE.
966
00:55:11,842 --> 00:55:15,846
THERE'S ANOTHER GARY RIDGWAY
IN BELLEVUE OR SOMEPLACE ELSE."
967
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,717
AND I WAS DEVASTATED
AND CONFUSED AND--
968
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:22,019
IT'S LIKE A BIG BRICK WALL
DROPPED IN FRONT OF ME,
969
00:55:22,052 --> 00:55:25,122
AND...
970
00:55:25,155 --> 00:55:29,059
AND MY WORLD JUST DISAPPEARED.
971
00:55:29,093 --> 00:55:31,396
- TODAY AT APPROXIMATELY
3:00 P.M.,
972
00:55:31,429 --> 00:55:34,131
DETECTIVES FROM THE KING COUNTY
SHERIFF'S OFFICE
973
00:55:34,164 --> 00:55:36,701
ARRESTED A 52-YEAR-OLD MAN.
974
00:55:36,734 --> 00:55:39,770
- I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL
FROM A FRIEND THAT SAID,
975
00:55:39,804 --> 00:55:42,640
"WHAT'S GARY'S MIDDLE NAME?"
976
00:55:42,673 --> 00:55:45,843
AND I STATED
"WELL, IT'S LEON, I THINK."
977
00:55:45,876 --> 00:55:49,747
SHE SAID "TURN ON THE TV,"
AND I TURNED ON THE TELEVISION,
978
00:55:49,780 --> 00:55:51,115
AND THERE'S MY BROTHER-IN-LAW,
979
00:55:51,148 --> 00:55:54,619
YOU KNOW, ARRESTED FOR BEING
THE GREEN RIVER KILLER.
980
00:55:54,652 --> 00:55:59,457
- WE WERE JUST DEVASTATED.
NOW WHAT DO WE DO?
981
00:55:59,490 --> 00:56:01,892
HOW DO WE--HOW DO WE HANDLE
THIS SITUATION?
982
00:56:01,926 --> 00:56:05,696
AND HOW DO WE COME TO GRIPS
WITH, YOU KNOW,
983
00:56:05,730 --> 00:56:08,699
LETTING KRISTEN KNOW?
- WHEN WE FIRST FOUND OUT
984
00:56:08,733 --> 00:56:12,403
THAT GARY WAS ARRESTED AS BEING
THE GREEN RIVER KILLER,
985
00:56:12,437 --> 00:56:14,171
MY HEART STOPPED.
986
00:56:14,204 --> 00:56:18,409
HE WAS IN THE NEWS,
ON ALL THE PAPERS, ON THE TV.
987
00:56:18,443 --> 00:56:20,711
NEWS VANS WERE
CIRCLING OUR HOUSE.
988
00:56:20,745 --> 00:56:24,782
IT WAS TERRIFYING
AND THREATENING.
989
00:56:24,815 --> 00:56:26,951
- SHE'S LIKE "GARY RIDGWAY
HAS BEEN ARRESTED,
990
00:56:26,984 --> 00:56:28,853
AND HE'S THE GREEN RIVER
KILLER."
991
00:56:28,886 --> 00:56:31,856
RIGHT AT THAT POINT,
I TURNED MY HEAD
992
00:56:31,889 --> 00:56:33,991
AND I SORT OF LOOKED OFF,
993
00:56:34,024 --> 00:56:36,727
AND WHEN I LOOKED,
I COULD SEE IN THE BAR
994
00:56:36,761 --> 00:56:42,132
THERE WERE TWO TV SCREENS.
AND I--MY HEART JUST SUNK.
995
00:56:42,166 --> 00:56:46,571
I FELT SICK IMMEDIATELY,
AND I STARTED CRYING.
996
00:56:46,604 --> 00:56:48,973
- GARY LEON RIDGWAY,
NOW IN CUSTODY.
997
00:56:49,006 --> 00:56:52,877
- ON THE DAY THAT
THEY ARRESTED HIM, AND--
998
00:56:52,910 --> 00:56:55,513
I WAS HOME.
999
00:56:55,546 --> 00:56:58,483
HIS FACE WAS ON
THE TELEVISION SCREEN.
1000
00:56:58,516 --> 00:57:01,118
AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT THEY
ARRESTED THE GREEN RIVER KILLER.
1001
00:57:01,151 --> 00:57:03,721
THAT WAS A SHOCK.
1002
00:57:03,754 --> 00:57:06,123
- HIS ARREST WENT FLYING AROUND
THE COURTHOUSE, LIKE WILDFIRE.
1003
00:57:06,156 --> 00:57:08,092
AND ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE
THE SHERIFF SAID
1004
00:57:08,125 --> 00:57:11,195
"WE FOUND HIM, HE'S THE ONE.
HE'S THE GREEN RIVER KILLER."
1005
00:57:11,228 --> 00:57:13,464
IT WASN'T LIKE
THE USUAL "ALLEGED SUSPECT"
1006
00:57:13,498 --> 00:57:16,033
OR THAT KIND OF THING.
VERY DIRECT.
1007
00:57:16,066 --> 00:57:18,603
- WHEN HE GOT ARRESTED,
IT WAS LIKE...
1008
00:57:18,636 --> 00:57:22,239
A DEEP BREATH.
FINALLY, FINALLY.
1009
00:57:22,272 --> 00:57:24,241
WHEN I SAW HIM,
I JUST LOOKED AT HIM AND SAID
1010
00:57:24,274 --> 00:57:27,011
"YOU LITTLE [bleep]."
EXCUSE ME.
1011
00:57:27,044 --> 00:57:28,546
BUT I CAN'T BELIEVE IT.
1012
00:57:31,749 --> 00:57:35,052
- MY FAMILY WAS IN COMPLETE
DENIAL THAT THIS IS SOMETHING
1013
00:57:35,085 --> 00:57:36,654
THAT HE COULD HAVE
POSSIBLY DONE.
1014
00:57:36,687 --> 00:57:39,256
THEY WERE 100% ON HIS DEFENSE.
1015
00:57:39,289 --> 00:57:41,492
HE HADN'T CONFESSED
AT THIS TIME.
1016
00:57:41,526 --> 00:57:46,163
HE WAS STILL SAYING
THAT HE DIDN'T DO IT.
1017
00:57:46,196 --> 00:57:47,998
- I DID NOT THINK HE WAS GUILTY.
1018
00:57:48,032 --> 00:57:51,836
I THOUGHT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY
OUT OF THE QUESTION.
1019
00:57:51,869 --> 00:57:55,239
- I WROTE GARY A LETTER
AFTER HE WAS ARRESTED.
1020
00:57:55,272 --> 00:57:59,243
I SAID, UM...
1021
00:57:59,276 --> 00:58:01,912
"WE WILL BELIEVE
EITHER UNTIL YOUR DEATH
1022
00:58:01,946 --> 00:58:06,116
OR UNTIL YOUR CONFESSION
THAT YOU'RE NOT GUILTY."
1023
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:10,821
- YOU KNOW, HER LETTER
ALSO HELPED CONVINCE ME.
1024
00:58:10,855 --> 00:58:13,891
I HAD TO GET GARY TO CONFESS,
OR I HAD TO GET HIM SET FREE.
1025
00:58:13,924 --> 00:58:20,631
I WAS GONNA CONTINUE LOOKING FOR
THAT SMOKING GUN UNTIL I DIED.
1026
00:58:20,665 --> 00:58:23,100
- SHE STARTED SAYING,
"WELL, IT'S NOT HIM.
1027
00:58:23,133 --> 00:58:25,202
"HE PASSED A POLYGRAPH.
1028
00:58:25,235 --> 00:58:30,074
HE, UM...
HE WAS CLEARED, HE WAS CLEARED."
1029
00:58:30,107 --> 00:58:31,842
SHE WAS REALLY DOING
EVERYTHING SHE COULD
1030
00:58:31,876 --> 00:58:33,310
TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE.
1031
00:58:33,343 --> 00:58:34,912
- IF SHE KNEW
THAT HE WAS GUILTY,
1032
00:58:34,945 --> 00:58:37,281
THERE'S NO WAY
SHE WOULD HAVE DEFENDED HIM.
1033
00:58:37,314 --> 00:58:39,650
NO ONE WOULD'VE.
WE ALL THOUGHT HE WAS INNOCENT,
1034
00:58:39,684 --> 00:58:41,619
BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN
THROUGH THIS ONCE.
1035
00:58:41,652 --> 00:58:44,021
THE DETECTIVES,
THEY ALREADY MESSED UP ONCE.
1036
00:58:44,054 --> 00:58:47,692
AND SO NOW,
WHEN IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN,
1037
00:58:47,725 --> 00:58:49,193
YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT'S TRUE.
1038
00:58:49,226 --> 00:58:51,829
- ONE TIME I WOULD GO OVER
TO DORENE'S HOUSE,
1039
00:58:51,862 --> 00:58:54,231
AND SHE SAID "DID YOU SEE THIS?"
1040
00:58:54,264 --> 00:58:57,167
SEATTLE WEEKLY,
I BELIEVE IT WAS CALLED.
1041
00:58:57,201 --> 00:59:01,706
AND IT WAS A PICTURE OF GARY
WITH A GREEN FACE.
1042
00:59:01,739 --> 00:59:04,174
AND WHEN SHE SHOWED THAT TO ME,
1043
00:59:04,208 --> 00:59:07,712
I JUST SCREAMED,
1044
00:59:07,745 --> 00:59:09,847
AND STARTED CRYING.
1045
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,150
MY ARMS WERE
FLYING AND HITTING HER.
1046
00:59:13,183 --> 00:59:15,920
A FEW DAYS BEFORE THAT TIME,
1047
00:59:15,953 --> 00:59:19,890
I WAS HAVING A DREAM ABOUT GARY,
1048
00:59:19,924 --> 00:59:23,761
AND HE WAS TRYING TO REACH OUT
AND TOUCH ME,
1049
00:59:23,794 --> 00:59:26,897
BUT HE WAS GREEN.
HE HAD A GREEN FACE.
1050
00:59:26,931 --> 00:59:32,136
WE JUST HOPED AND PRAYED THAT...
1051
00:59:32,169 --> 00:59:34,171
IT WOULD ALL WORK OUT FOR
THE BEST,
1052
00:59:34,204 --> 00:59:36,073
BUT IT DIDN'T.
1053
00:59:50,220 --> 00:59:53,123
- SO HE WAS ORIGINALLY ARRESTED
ON FOUR COUNTS OF MURDER,
1054
00:59:53,157 --> 00:59:55,025
AND THEN ABOUT
A YEAR AND A HALF AFTER
1055
00:59:55,059 --> 00:59:57,361
GETTING MORE EVIDENCE
FROM THE DETECTIVES,
1056
00:59:57,394 --> 01:00:00,030
THEY RELEASED
A NEW STATEMENT
1057
01:00:00,064 --> 01:00:03,668
SAYING THAT THERE WERE
THREE ADDITIONAL VICTIMS
1058
01:00:03,701 --> 01:00:06,837
THAT THEY COULD LINK TO GARY.
1059
01:00:09,373 --> 01:00:13,410
- WE DID THE DNA,
AND IT MATCHED.
1060
01:00:13,443 --> 01:00:18,315
AND IT ALL TIED BACK TO
GARY RIDGWAY.
1061
01:00:18,348 --> 01:00:24,121
- WE WERE IN THE KING COUNTY
JAIL POSSIBLY EVERY WEEK,
1062
01:00:24,154 --> 01:00:28,225
AFTER HIS ARREST,
BELIEVING THAT HE WAS INNOCENT.
1063
01:00:28,258 --> 01:00:31,128
- I DID GO TO VISIT GARY
IN JAIL,
1064
01:00:31,161 --> 01:00:34,899
AND HIS SISTER-IN-LAW
AND HIS BROTHER, HIS FAMILY,
1065
01:00:34,932 --> 01:00:37,101
KEPT TELLING ME
AND CALMING ME DOWN,
1066
01:00:37,134 --> 01:00:42,740
AND SAYING THAT
HE COULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS.
1067
01:00:42,773 --> 01:00:45,309
- I KNEW THAT THINGS WEREN'T
LOOKING GOOD,
1068
01:00:45,342 --> 01:00:50,414
BUT IT STILL BELIEVED THAT HE
COULDN'T DO IT.
1069
01:00:50,447 --> 01:00:55,119
- IT'S ALWAYS THE CASE, IN MY
EXPERIENCE, THAT FAMILY MEMBERS,
1070
01:00:55,152 --> 01:00:58,155
FOR YEARS, EVEN AFTER SOMEONE
ADMITS SOMETHING,
1071
01:00:58,188 --> 01:01:00,891
STILL ARE IN DENIAL
ABOUT A CRIME,
1072
01:01:00,925 --> 01:01:03,894
ESPECIALLY A HORRIFIC CRIME,
LIKE THIS.
1073
01:01:03,928 --> 01:01:06,797
- AND THEN, SOME EVIDENCE CAME
OUT IN THE PRESS,
1074
01:01:06,831 --> 01:01:08,833
INVOLVING PAINT.
1075
01:01:08,866 --> 01:01:10,467
- THIS SEARCH WARRANT ALSO
ALLOWED POLICE TO SEARCH
1076
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:13,270
A PAINT LOCKER AT THE MAN'S
PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT.
1077
01:01:13,303 --> 01:01:15,239
- THEY'D FOUND THIS ONE GIRL.
1078
01:01:15,272 --> 01:01:16,841
HER SWEATER SLEEVES WERE
1079
01:01:16,874 --> 01:01:21,278
IMPREGNATED WITH
LITTLE BLOBS OF PAINT.
1080
01:01:21,311 --> 01:01:23,213
- WE ALL STARTED LOSING HOPE.
1081
01:01:23,247 --> 01:01:27,217
GREG AND DORENE ENDED UP GOING
AND VISITING HIM.
1082
01:01:27,251 --> 01:01:30,154
- ACROSS THE GLASS, I SAID
"GARY, I HATE TO TELL YOU THIS,
1083
01:01:30,187 --> 01:01:31,421
THIS LOOKS REALLY BAD."
1084
01:01:31,455 --> 01:01:33,157
- MY DAD SAID
"YOU KNOW WHAT, GARY,
1085
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:36,426
"YOU NEED TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT,
AND IF YOU DID THIS,
1086
01:01:36,460 --> 01:01:38,428
I PRAY TO GOD THAT YOU CONFESS."
1087
01:01:38,462 --> 01:01:41,165
IT WAS ACTUALLY THE NEXT DAY
THAT GARY ENDED UP CONFESSING
1088
01:01:41,198 --> 01:01:43,500
TO HIS DEFENSE ATTORNEY,
MICHELE SHAW.
1089
01:01:43,533 --> 01:01:47,171
- THE DEFENSE TEAM WAS THERE
AND THEY TOLD ME, YOU KNOW,
1090
01:01:47,204 --> 01:01:52,777
THAT GARY ADMITTED TO KILLING
70 OR 72 OR 78 OR--
1091
01:01:52,810 --> 01:01:56,146
SOME RIDICULOUS NUMBER.
1092
01:01:56,180 --> 01:01:58,282
I WAS PRETTY FLOORED.
1093
01:01:58,315 --> 01:02:00,084
- YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST LIKE
I WAS SHELL-SHOCKED.
1094
01:02:00,117 --> 01:02:02,920
MY MIND WENT BLANK.
1095
01:02:02,953 --> 01:02:05,489
- WE WERE DEFENDING HIM
FOR TWO YEARS,
1096
01:02:05,522 --> 01:02:07,224
AND THEN WHEN HE CONFESSES,
1097
01:02:07,257 --> 01:02:11,896
YOU QUESTION EVERYTHING THAT YOU
THINK IS TRUE.
1098
01:02:11,929 --> 01:02:14,899
- MY HEART BROKE FOR MATT,
AND I COULDN'T IMAGINE
1099
01:02:14,932 --> 01:02:19,069
WHAT HE WAS GOING THROUGH
AND THE CROSS HE HAD TO BEAR
1100
01:02:19,103 --> 01:02:21,071
BECAUSE OF WHAT HIS FATHER DID.
1101
01:02:21,105 --> 01:02:23,040
- I LITERALLY WAS ILL.
1102
01:02:23,073 --> 01:02:26,376
YOU KNOW, I LEANED OVER
AND JUST RETCHED.
1103
01:02:30,815 --> 01:02:33,818
I WAS FURIOUS WITH GARY.
1104
01:02:33,851 --> 01:02:38,155
YOU KNOW,
"WHY--WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?"
1105
01:02:38,188 --> 01:02:41,926
YOU KNOW, "WHAT'S GOING ON?
WHAT'S GOING ON?
1106
01:02:41,959 --> 01:02:44,094
HOW COULD YOU DO THIS
TO JUDITH?"
1107
01:02:49,366 --> 01:02:52,136
- I HAD A FRIEND
COME TO MY HOUSE.
1108
01:02:52,169 --> 01:02:56,540
SHE WAS A LAWYER AND
SHE HELPED ME WITH MY DIVORCE.
1109
01:02:56,573 --> 01:02:59,376
AFTER FINDING OUT ALL THIS EVIL
1110
01:02:59,409 --> 01:03:04,048
AND BAD THINGS THAT GARY DID,
1111
01:03:04,081 --> 01:03:07,117
BEING A MURDERER, AND...
1112
01:03:10,487 --> 01:03:16,126
HE JUST BROKE MY HEART INTO
PIECES.
1113
01:03:20,330 --> 01:03:22,867
- HE ENJOYED KILLING,
IS WHAT I THINK,
1114
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:27,604
AND I DON'T THINK HE
WOULD HAVE EVER STOPPED.
1115
01:03:27,637 --> 01:03:29,573
- HE FINALLY MADE THE CONFESSION
1116
01:03:29,606 --> 01:03:33,443
THAT KELI WAS ONE OF THE GIRLS
THAT HE HAD KILLED.
1117
01:03:33,477 --> 01:03:38,348
I KNEW THAT I NEEDED TO ACCEPT
THE FACT THAT SHE WAS GONE,
1118
01:03:38,382 --> 01:03:41,451
AND I WOULD NEVER SEE HER AGAIN.
1119
01:03:41,485 --> 01:03:47,391
- WHEN RIDGWAY CONFESSED TO
50 OR MORE MURDERS,
1120
01:03:47,424 --> 01:03:51,128
HE MADE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL.
1121
01:03:51,161 --> 01:03:52,296
- TO BE ABLE TO SAVE HIS LIFE,
1122
01:03:52,329 --> 01:03:57,634
HE AGREED TO TELL THEM
1123
01:03:57,667 --> 01:04:01,138
WHERE THE OTHER 12 GIRLS WERE,
WHERE HE HAD LEFT THEM
1124
01:04:01,171 --> 01:04:04,441
OR HID THEM OR BURIED THEM.
1125
01:04:04,474 --> 01:04:07,577
- I WAS HAPPY WITH GARY GETTING
A PLEA BARGAIN.
1126
01:04:07,611 --> 01:04:10,280
I WANTED TO KNOW
WHERE THE OTHER VICTIMS WERE,
1127
01:04:10,314 --> 01:04:12,182
AND SO IF THAT WAS A WAY TO
ACCOMPLISH THAT,
1128
01:04:12,216 --> 01:04:13,650
I WAS OKAY WITH THAT.
1129
01:04:13,683 --> 01:04:18,923
BECAUSE HE'D BE IN PRISON FOR
THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
1130
01:04:18,956 --> 01:04:21,625
- WHEN GARY RIDGWAY WAS
SENTENCED,
1131
01:04:21,658 --> 01:04:24,194
OF COURSE IT WAS A HUGE DAY
IN SEATTLE.
1132
01:04:24,228 --> 01:04:29,299
- THEY OPENED THE DOOR,
AND OUT WALKED THE MONSTER.
1133
01:04:29,333 --> 01:04:32,436
THEY MADE HIM TURN AROUND
AND LOOK AND FACE US
1134
01:04:32,469 --> 01:04:35,906
IN THE COURTROOM,
ALL OF THE FAMILIES.
1135
01:04:35,940 --> 01:04:41,245
AND...AND HE WAS SUPPOSED TO
APOLOGIZE TO US.
1136
01:04:41,278 --> 01:04:45,649
- I'M SORRY FOR CAUSING SO MUCH
PAIN TO SO MANY FAMILIES.
1137
01:04:45,682 --> 01:04:48,452
- HE HAD NO COMPASSION.
1138
01:04:48,485 --> 01:04:51,655
NO REMORSE.
1139
01:04:51,688 --> 01:04:56,693
HE WAS AN JUST AN EMPTY,
EMPTY, EMPTY PERSON.
1140
01:04:56,726 --> 01:04:58,929
I WAS SICK.
1141
01:04:58,963 --> 01:05:02,132
- GARY WON.
HE WON WITH A CONFESSION.
1142
01:05:02,166 --> 01:05:06,336
HE BEAT THE COPS,
HE BEAT THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM.
1143
01:05:06,370 --> 01:05:08,472
BOTTOM LINE.
1144
01:05:08,505 --> 01:05:11,175
- MR. RIDGWAY, I'M GOING TO
ASK YOU AT THIS TIME,
1145
01:05:11,208 --> 01:05:13,343
HOW DO YOU PLEAD TO THE CHARGE
OF AGGRAVATED MURDER
1146
01:05:13,377 --> 01:05:16,680
IN THE FIRST DEGREE AS CHARGED
IN COUNT ONE
1147
01:05:16,713 --> 01:05:20,184
FOR THE DEATH OF
WENDY LEE COFFIELD?
1148
01:05:20,217 --> 01:05:22,186
- GUILTY.
1149
01:05:22,219 --> 01:05:24,588
- THEY WERE READING OFF
THE NAMES OF ALL OF THE WOMEN.
1150
01:05:24,621 --> 01:05:28,425
- AS CHARGED IN COUNT TWO,
FOR THE DEATH OF DEBRA BONNER.
1151
01:05:28,458 --> 01:05:30,394
- GUILTY.
1152
01:05:30,427 --> 01:05:33,430
- AND HE WOULD SAY "GUILTY.
1153
01:05:33,463 --> 01:05:36,666
"GUILTY.
1154
01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:39,369
GUILTY."
1155
01:05:42,106 --> 01:05:45,275
I SAT THERE,
UNTIL HE SAID ALL OF THEM,
1156
01:05:45,309 --> 01:05:50,414
AND, OH, I WAS JUST...
1157
01:05:50,447 --> 01:05:53,483
TOTALLY DEVASTATED.
1158
01:05:53,517 --> 01:05:58,288
THIS IS REAL.
1159
01:05:58,322 --> 01:06:03,560
HOW COULD YOU DO
SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
1160
01:06:03,593 --> 01:06:06,696
IT'S JUST INSANE.
1161
01:06:10,267 --> 01:06:16,240
- SOME OF THE FAMILY GOT UP AND
HAD SOME PERSONAL WORDS TO HIM.
1162
01:06:16,273 --> 01:06:17,674
- JUST LOOKING AT THIS MAN
1163
01:06:17,707 --> 01:06:21,211
THAT HAS HAD SUCH
AN IMPACT ON YOUR LIFE,
1164
01:06:21,245 --> 01:06:24,714
THAT HAS TAKEN
SO MUCH FROM YOU,
1165
01:06:24,748 --> 01:06:27,484
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN
HIS FACE IS THERE
1166
01:06:27,517 --> 01:06:30,187
AND HE'S A REAL PERSON.
1167
01:06:30,220 --> 01:06:33,123
- DEBRA LORRAINE ESTES TURNED 15
1168
01:06:33,157 --> 01:06:35,359
JUST DAYS BEFORE SHE
DISAPPEARED.
1169
01:06:35,392 --> 01:06:37,661
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE
THE LOOK OF FEAR IN YOUR EYES
1170
01:06:37,694 --> 01:06:39,663
WHEN YOU REALIZED YOU WERE
FINALLY CAUGHT,
1171
01:06:39,696 --> 01:06:42,366
AND NOT GOING TO BE ABLE
TO JUST WALK AWAY,
1172
01:06:42,399 --> 01:06:44,634
LIKE SO MANY TIMES BEFORE.
1173
01:06:44,668 --> 01:06:46,403
SHAME ON YOU, GARY RIDGWAY.
1174
01:06:46,436 --> 01:06:48,172
YOU'RE CAUGHT.
1175
01:06:48,205 --> 01:06:51,475
- YOU ARE A LOSER,
YOU'RE A COWARD, YOU ARE NOBODY.
1176
01:06:51,508 --> 01:06:54,278
YOU'RE AN ANIMAL.
I'M ANGRY, I'LL ALWAYS BE ANGRY.
1177
01:06:54,311 --> 01:06:55,579
I WILL NEVER HAVE THAT CLOSURE.
1178
01:06:55,612 --> 01:06:59,216
I WILL NEVER HAVE MY SISTER
BACK IN MY LIFE.
1179
01:06:59,249 --> 01:07:03,620
I HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL.
SON OF A BITCH.
1180
01:07:03,653 --> 01:07:08,192
- THERE'S NOTHING THAT ANYBODY
CAN SAY OR EVER DO FOR ME
1181
01:07:08,225 --> 01:07:09,693
THAT WILL BRING MY MOTHER BACK.
1182
01:07:09,726 --> 01:07:11,295
YOU HAVE USELESS EXCUSES
FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE,
1183
01:07:11,328 --> 01:07:14,498
AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY,
1184
01:07:14,531 --> 01:07:18,602
I WILL NEVER, EVER, EVER,
FORGIVE YOU.
1185
01:07:18,635 --> 01:07:23,107
- SHAME ON YOU.
SHAME ON YOU, GARY RIDGWAY.
1186
01:07:23,140 --> 01:07:26,042
HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO
OUR DAUGHTERS?
1187
01:07:31,315 --> 01:07:33,617
- WE'VE SEEN GARY AS A HUMAN.
1188
01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:36,620
WE'VE SEEN HIM
AS THAT SIDE OF A GOOD GUY.
1189
01:07:36,653 --> 01:07:40,157
BUT THE REST OF THE WORLD HAS
ONLY SEEN HIM AS A MONSTER.
1190
01:07:44,294 --> 01:07:46,596
- WHY'D YOU HATE THEM SO MUCH?
- WHY'D I HATE THEM?
1191
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:48,465
BECAUSE I--
WOMEN HAD CONTROL OVER ME
1192
01:07:48,498 --> 01:07:50,234
AND I DON'T LIKE BEING
CONTROLLED.
1193
01:07:50,267 --> 01:07:51,668
I WAS JUST A WIMP,
AND THEN WHEN I WAS--
1194
01:07:51,701 --> 01:07:55,372
I HAD CONTROL WHEN I WAS--
WHEN I KILLED THE WOMEN.
1195
01:07:55,405 --> 01:07:57,141
THERE'S SOME SCRATCH MARKS HERE.
1196
01:07:57,174 --> 01:07:59,376
THESE ARE FROM MALVAR.
1197
01:07:59,409 --> 01:08:01,711
I KILLED HER.
SHE SCRATCHED ME.
1198
01:08:01,745 --> 01:08:03,147
WHEN I WAS KILLING HER,
SHE FOUGHT.
1199
01:08:03,180 --> 01:08:05,682
SHE SCRATCHED ME HERE.
1200
01:08:05,715 --> 01:08:07,284
I WANTED TO KILL THOSE WOMEN.
1201
01:08:07,317 --> 01:08:10,720
I AM THE ONE THAT GOT
THE SCRATCH MARKS.
1202
01:08:10,754 --> 01:08:14,658
I HAD SCRATCH MARKS ON MY BACK,
A COUPLE TIMES.
1203
01:08:14,691 --> 01:08:16,726
- TELL US ABOUT GISELE LOVVORN.
1204
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,297
- TOOK HER THERE WITH MATTHEW
IN THE CAR.
1205
01:08:20,330 --> 01:08:24,668
WE WALKED INTO A SPACE WHERE
WE COULDN'T SEE THE TRUCK,
1206
01:08:24,701 --> 01:08:28,438
AND I TOOK HER AND I CHOKED HER.
1207
01:08:28,472 --> 01:08:31,175
I TIED THE--
1208
01:08:31,208 --> 01:08:34,211
- I TOLD MATTHEW--
HE ASKED ME WHERE SHE WENT,
1209
01:08:34,244 --> 01:08:36,446
I TOLD HIM SHE WAS WALKING HOME.
1210
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:38,648
- KNOWING THAT MATTHEW WAS
PRESENT WHEN HE WAS
1211
01:08:38,682 --> 01:08:41,618
COMMITTING SOME OF
HIS CRIMES ENRAGES ME.
1212
01:08:41,651 --> 01:08:44,754
HE'S JUST...
1213
01:08:44,788 --> 01:08:48,458
DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR,
SO MANY LIVES.
1214
01:08:48,492 --> 01:08:50,627
SO MANY LIVES.
1215
01:08:50,660 --> 01:08:53,263
- I CAN REMEMBER YOU EVEN
TELLING DR. WEAVER THAT
1216
01:08:53,297 --> 01:08:56,333
HAD THINGS GONE JUST
A LITTLE SIDEWAYS,
1217
01:08:56,366 --> 01:08:57,767
YOU COULD HAVE
EVEN KILLED MATTHEW.
1218
01:08:57,801 --> 01:08:59,403
YOU SAID THAT TO DR. WEAVER
AT ONE POINT IN TIME.
1219
01:08:59,436 --> 01:09:02,172
- YEAH, I PROBABLY COULD'VE,
YOU KNOW?
1220
01:09:03,773 --> 01:09:06,943
- [gasps]
IT'S DEVASTATING.
1221
01:09:06,976 --> 01:09:10,680
AND I REALIZE--
I DO REALIZE HE'S A KILLER.
1222
01:09:10,714 --> 01:09:14,218
BUT WHAT CAN I DO?
PLEASE.
1223
01:09:14,251 --> 01:09:17,321
GOD, TELL ME, WHAT CAN I DO?
1224
01:09:17,354 --> 01:09:20,390
WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THE WORLD
A BETTER PLACE?
1225
01:09:20,424 --> 01:09:22,959
SO THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN
AGAIN?
1226
01:09:22,992 --> 01:09:26,630
- I DIDN'T EXPECT...
1227
01:09:26,663 --> 01:09:31,235
IT TO BE SO DISPASSIONATE
AND SO MATTER-OF-FACT.
1228
01:09:31,268 --> 01:09:33,370
- THIS IS A PART OF OUR FAMILY.
WE'RE IN THIS SITUATION
1229
01:09:33,403 --> 01:09:35,705
WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW,
YOU KNOW?
1230
01:09:35,739 --> 01:09:37,407
- YEAH.
- SO NOW THAT WE'RE HERE,
1231
01:09:37,441 --> 01:09:40,210
WHAT IS THE COURSE OF ACTION
THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL?
1232
01:09:40,244 --> 01:09:42,646
LIKE, DO YOU GUYS HAVE
ANY FEELINGS FOR THAT, OR--
1233
01:09:42,679 --> 01:09:46,716
- I MEAN, I THINK THE BIGGEST
THING FOR ME IS...UM...
1234
01:09:49,686 --> 01:09:51,655
IS SAYING SORRY.
- YEAH.
1235
01:09:51,688 --> 01:09:54,824
- I THINK I STRUGGLE WITH THAT,
BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY PLACE
1236
01:09:54,858 --> 01:09:56,593
TO SAY SORRY,
IT'S NOT MY ACTIONS,
1237
01:09:56,626 --> 01:10:00,297
IT'S NOT SOMETHING I DID.
- RIGHT, BUT WE ALL FEEL--
1238
01:10:00,330 --> 01:10:04,668
BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT--IF
THERE WAS SOME WAY I COULD
1239
01:10:04,701 --> 01:10:05,969
COMMUNICATE TO THE WORLD--
1240
01:10:06,002 --> 01:10:08,338
- YES, YES, YES.
- YOU KNOW, TO THE FAMILIES,
1241
01:10:08,372 --> 01:10:10,674
TO THE GIRLS THAT WENT
THROUGH THIS.
1242
01:10:10,707 --> 01:10:13,310
YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS ONE THING
THAT I COULD COMMUNICATE,
1243
01:10:13,343 --> 01:10:15,545
IT WOULD BE THAT
I'M SO, SO SORRY.
1244
01:10:15,579 --> 01:10:19,283
- DITTO, DITTO. ME AS WELL.
- YEAH. OH GOD, YES.
1245
01:10:19,316 --> 01:10:20,850
EXACTLY.
1246
01:10:37,667 --> 01:10:39,002
- GARY IS SERVING A LIFE
SENTENCE
1247
01:10:39,035 --> 01:10:42,272
AT WALLA WALLA STATE
PENITENTIARY.
1248
01:10:42,306 --> 01:10:44,774
WE REQUESTED A FACE-TO-FACE
MEETING WITH HIM,
1249
01:10:44,808 --> 01:10:47,777
BUT WERE DENIED ACCESS
BY THE PRISON.
1250
01:10:55,452 --> 01:10:56,653
[phone ringing]
1251
01:10:56,686 --> 01:10:59,289
- YOU HAVE A PREPAID CALL FROM
1252
01:10:59,323 --> 01:11:03,293
AN INMATE AT
WASHINGTON STATE PENITENTIARY.
1253
01:11:03,327 --> 01:11:12,802
- HELLO?
1254
01:11:12,836 --> 01:11:15,539
- RIGHT NOW WE ARE WAITING TO
SEE IF GARY'S GOING TO BE ABLE
1255
01:11:15,572 --> 01:11:17,974
TO CALL US SO THAT WE CAN GET
SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED
1256
01:11:18,007 --> 01:11:21,911
VIA PHONE,
SINCE RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT,
1257
01:11:21,945 --> 01:11:26,683
THE PRISON'S NOT ALLOWING US
TO GO AND VISIT HIM IN PERSON.
1258
01:11:26,716 --> 01:11:27,817
[phone ringing]
1259
01:11:27,851 --> 01:11:29,419
- YOU HAVE A CALL
1260
01:11:29,453 --> 01:11:31,855
FROM WASHINGTON STATE
PENITENTIARY.
1261
01:11:31,888 --> 01:11:34,758
- HELLO?
1262
01:11:34,791 --> 01:11:36,560
- I'LL JUST GET GOING
RIGHT AWAY,
1263
01:11:36,593 --> 01:11:38,928
'CAUSE I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE
ALL THAT MUCH TIME.
1264
01:11:38,962 --> 01:11:40,864
SO WE JUST WANT TO, HOPEFULLY,
1265
01:11:40,897 --> 01:11:43,467
GET THROUGH
SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.
1266
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:46,470
SO WHAT ALLOWED YOU TO MURDER
THE YOUNG GIRLS?
1267
01:11:46,503 --> 01:11:48,805
I MEAN, HOW DID YOUR CONSCIENCE
ALLOW YOU TO GET TO THE POINT
1268
01:11:48,838 --> 01:11:52,842
WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY
DO THIS, YOU KNOW?
1269
01:11:52,876 --> 01:11:55,379
- WELL, THE ACTUAL THING IS
1270
01:11:55,412 --> 01:11:58,515
IF I COULD GET AWAY WITH IT,
BASICALLY.
1271
01:11:58,548 --> 01:12:01,485
YOU GOTTA--YOU KNOW,
THE THING IS IF I CAN--
1272
01:12:01,518 --> 01:12:03,687
I CAN PICK THEM UP
WITHOUT ANYBODY WATCHING THEM,
1273
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,590
IF I CAN--IF I CAN GET THEM IN
MY CAR, AND IF I CAN TAKE THEM
1274
01:12:06,623 --> 01:12:08,825
TO SOME LOCATION TO KILL THEM,
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT'S--
1275
01:12:08,858 --> 01:12:12,762
IF I'VE GOT ALL THREE OF THOSE
THINGS TOGETHER, BASICALLY.
1276
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,969
- MATTHEW--
HE COULDN'T BE HERE.
1277
01:12:20,003 --> 01:12:22,506
WHAT HAPPENED
AND HOW YOU DECEIVED HIM
1278
01:12:22,539 --> 01:12:25,041
AND HOW YOU USED HIM,
IT REALLY HURT HIM.
1279
01:12:25,074 --> 01:12:28,044
HE DID HAVE A LETTER THAT HE
WANTED ME TO READ ON HIS BEHALF.
1280
01:12:28,077 --> 01:12:31,748
HE SAYS,
"IF YOU EVER LOVED, CARED,
1281
01:12:31,781 --> 01:12:36,420
"OR HAD ANY FEELINGS FOR ME,
YOU WOULD MAKE THINGS RIGHT
1282
01:12:36,453 --> 01:12:38,788
"WITH THE PEOPLE
THAT YOU'VE HURT.
1283
01:12:38,822 --> 01:12:42,759
"THE PEOPLE YOU HURT ARE THE
FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE VICTIMS.
1284
01:12:42,792 --> 01:12:48,732
"FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE,
GIVE US ALL FREEDOM FROM YOU.
1285
01:12:48,765 --> 01:12:51,768
"GIVE US ONE ACT OF KINDNESS.
1286
01:12:51,801 --> 01:12:54,003
"PLEASE TELL THE TRUTH.
1287
01:12:54,037 --> 01:12:57,941
"GIVE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU HURT
A RELEASE OF THE TERROR
1288
01:12:57,974 --> 01:12:59,743
"YOU HAVE CAUSED THEM.
1289
01:12:59,776 --> 01:13:01,511
"GIVE THEM FREEDOM OVER YOU
1290
01:13:01,545 --> 01:13:04,080
"AS THE LAST ACT
THAT YOU CAN GIVE TO ME,
1291
01:13:04,113 --> 01:13:05,882
"THE KNOWLEDGE
THAT I MADE A DIFFERENCE
1292
01:13:05,915 --> 01:13:10,687
FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE."
1293
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,990
- IS THAT IT?
- YEAH, THAT'S IT.
1294
01:13:18,595 --> 01:13:21,831
SO THEY'RE STILL MISSING
A LOT OF BODIES.
1295
01:13:21,865 --> 01:13:23,867
- THEY'RE STILL MISSING 30--
1296
01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:26,002
WELL, I LOSE TRACK.
1297
01:13:26,035 --> 01:13:29,573
THERE WAS 49,
AND I HAD,
1298
01:13:29,606 --> 01:13:30,940
UH...
1299
01:13:30,974 --> 01:13:33,843
83--80, SO, YOU KNOW,
THAT'S WHERE...
1300
01:13:33,877 --> 01:13:37,514
YOU HAVE WHAT, 31?
1301
01:13:39,516 --> 01:13:40,984
- I HAVE A QUESTION
ABOUT ONE OF THE VICTIMS
1302
01:13:41,017 --> 01:13:44,554
WHO'S NOT BEEN FOUND YET.
HER NAME--
1303
01:13:44,588 --> 01:13:45,822
- UH-HUH.
1304
01:13:45,855 --> 01:13:48,658
- HER NAME IS KELI MCGINNESS.
DO YOU HAVE--
1305
01:13:48,692 --> 01:13:49,893
- YES, MM-HMM.
1306
01:13:49,926 --> 01:13:53,597
- DO YOU HAVE
ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION--
1307
01:13:53,630 --> 01:13:55,865
DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION TO GIVE ABOUT HER?
1308
01:13:55,899 --> 01:13:59,035
IF YOU COULD CALL BACK
AFTER THIS--[bleep].
1309
01:13:59,068 --> 01:14:00,904
[beep]
- [sighs]
1310
01:14:00,937 --> 01:14:01,871
- HE'S GONNA CALL BACK.
1311
01:14:06,543 --> 01:14:09,746
- OKAY, THE QUESTION'S BACK
ON KELI MCGINNESS.
1312
01:14:09,779 --> 01:14:12,882
YOU SAID SHE WAS AT JONES ROAD,
AND THERE'S A CREEK.
1313
01:14:12,916 --> 01:14:15,685
- FIND THE HILL, YEAH, UM...
1314
01:14:15,719 --> 01:14:18,722
- YEAH, YOU THREW--YOU SAID
YOU THREW HER OVER THE RAVINE
1315
01:14:18,755 --> 01:14:21,591
INTO A CREEK.
- YES.
1316
01:14:21,625 --> 01:14:22,992
- DO YOU THINK
THAT I COULD MAYBE FIND HER
1317
01:14:23,026 --> 01:14:24,594
IF I WERE TO GO OUT THERE?
1318
01:14:24,628 --> 01:14:26,262
- IF YOU HAVE A CADAVER DOG,
YOU KNOW.
1319
01:14:26,295 --> 01:14:30,199
- WE HAVE A CADAVER DOG,
SO WE'RE GONNA GO OUT.
1320
01:14:30,233 --> 01:14:32,101
WE'RE GONNA TRY
AND FIND SOMETHING,
1321
01:14:32,135 --> 01:14:33,970
BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING
IS THAT,
1322
01:14:34,003 --> 01:14:39,008
SINCE THESE WOMEN HAVEN'T
BEEN FOUND, WE--WE'RE HOPING
1323
01:14:39,042 --> 01:14:42,011
THAT IF WE FIND SOMETHING,
THAT THEY WILL BE FREED.
1324
01:14:42,045 --> 01:14:44,147
- UH-HUH.
1325
01:14:45,114 --> 01:14:47,150
[beep]
1326
01:14:49,786 --> 01:14:52,856
- I WAS HOPING FOR
A LITTLE MORE REMORSE FROM GARY.
1327
01:14:52,889 --> 01:14:55,525
I WOULD HAVE LIKED
TO HAVE HEARD MORE.
1328
01:14:55,559 --> 01:14:57,627
- HOW ELSE COULD SOMEONE KILL
ALL THOSE WOMEN?
1329
01:14:57,661 --> 01:14:59,529
YOU OBVIOUSLY
DON'T HAVE REMORSE.
1330
01:14:59,563 --> 01:15:01,865
- I'VE SAID ALL ALONG,
IT'S NOT ABOUT GARY,
1331
01:15:01,898 --> 01:15:04,668
IT'S ABOUT THESE GIRLS,
AND, UM,
1332
01:15:04,701 --> 01:15:06,770
I DON'T THINK GARY'S GONNA GIVE
US ANY MORE FOR THE GIRLS,
1333
01:15:06,803 --> 01:15:10,607
SO TO ME, IT'S NOT WORTH
TALKING TO GARY ANYMORE.
1334
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,644
- IT DOES BOTHER ME THAT HE
REALLY DIDN'T SHOW MUCH REMORSE,
1335
01:15:14,678 --> 01:15:18,715
AND IT SADDENED ME SO TERRIBLY,
1336
01:15:18,748 --> 01:15:21,718
YOU KNOW, THAT HE--
HE DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN HIM.
1337
01:15:21,751 --> 01:15:25,822
YOU KNOW, DID HE EVER HAVE THAT
IN HIM?
1338
01:15:25,855 --> 01:15:29,593
I DON'T THINK SO.
I DON'T--I--MM-MM.
1339
01:15:29,626 --> 01:15:32,328
I THINK GARY DOES DESERVE
THE DEATH PENALTY.
1340
01:15:32,361 --> 01:15:38,001
- IF ANYONE DESERVES TO DIE
FOR WHAT THEY DID,
1341
01:15:38,034 --> 01:15:42,806
GARY RIDGWAY DOES.
1342
01:15:42,839 --> 01:15:45,008
- ALL RIGHT, REXY, GO SEARCH.
1343
01:15:50,113 --> 01:15:53,049
- IF YOU JUST KEEP GOING
UP THIS HILL,
1344
01:15:53,082 --> 01:15:56,853
THAT'S WHERE THE RAVINE IS.
1345
01:15:56,886 --> 01:15:59,222
- GARY RIDGWAY ONLY HAD A "DEAL"
IN KING COUNTY.
1346
01:15:59,255 --> 01:16:02,726
SO--AND WITH MISSING WOMEN
STILL, IF A BODY'S FOUND--
1347
01:16:02,759 --> 01:16:04,994
LIKE KELI MCGINNESS--
IT'S BEEN SPECULATED, MIGHT BE
1348
01:16:05,028 --> 01:16:08,131
IN PIERCE COUNTY RIGHT
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LINE.
1349
01:16:08,164 --> 01:16:11,801
IT STARTS ALL OVER, AND HE COULD
FACE THE DEATH PENALTY.
1350
01:16:11,835 --> 01:16:17,741
- LET'S JUST CHECK HERE IN CASE
HE COMES UP WITH ANYTHING.
1351
01:16:17,774 --> 01:16:22,078
- KELI HAS NOW BEEN MISSING
FOR 31 YEARS.
1352
01:16:22,111 --> 01:16:27,651
I UNDERSTAND THAT GARY RIDGWAY'S
NIECES HAVE A PASSION
1353
01:16:27,684 --> 01:16:30,987
TO CONTINUE TO LOOK
AND HAVE HAD SOME KIND
1354
01:16:31,020 --> 01:16:32,656
OF CONNECTION WITH KELI.
1355
01:16:32,689 --> 01:16:34,691
I'M SO EVER GRATEFUL
THAT THOSE GIRLS
1356
01:16:34,724 --> 01:16:36,826
STILL HOLD HER
IN THEIR HEARTS
1357
01:16:36,860 --> 01:16:40,897
AND ON THEIR MINDS AND WOULD
WANT TO MAKE THAT EFFORT.
1358
01:16:49,706 --> 01:16:51,174
- IT'S FRUSTRATING
TO KEEP LOOKING FOR HER
1359
01:16:51,207 --> 01:16:52,942
AND NOT FIND HER.
1360
01:16:52,976 --> 01:16:57,046
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT
THIS IS AN ONGOING JOURNEY,
1361
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:01,217
AND IT'S NOT GOING TO END,
I DON'T THINK, EVER.
1362
01:17:05,054 --> 01:17:08,257
- I DON'T WANT TO SPEND
ANY MORE TIME ON GARY RIDGWAY.
1363
01:17:08,291 --> 01:17:12,161
HE ISN'T WORTH HAVING IN MY LIFE
OR IN MY THOUGHTS.
1364
01:17:12,195 --> 01:17:15,665
HE KILLED MY DAUGHTER,
BUT HE DIDN'T KILL MY SPIRIT,
1365
01:17:15,699 --> 01:17:19,068
AND HE DIDN'T KILL MY LOVE
FOR HER AND MY RESPECT
1366
01:17:19,102 --> 01:17:21,204
FOR WHO SHE WAS GOING TO BECOME.
1367
01:17:21,237 --> 01:17:25,842
THERE'S A BRICK IN A SEA WALL
IN SITKA, ALASKA,
1368
01:17:25,875 --> 01:17:28,978
THAT SAYS "KELI."
1369
01:17:29,012 --> 01:17:33,817
AND SHE LIVES ON THAT BRICK,
AND SHE LIVES IN MY HEART,
1370
01:17:33,850 --> 01:17:37,821
AND SHE LIVES IN THE HEARTS
OF EVERYONE ELSE WHO KNEW HER
1371
01:17:37,854 --> 01:17:39,823
AND LOVED HER.
1372
01:17:39,856 --> 01:17:43,793
- TOMORROW MORNING I'M SUPPOSED
TO GO AND SEE JENNY GRAHAM,
1373
01:17:43,827 --> 01:17:46,996
WHO'S THE SISTER
OF DEBBIE ESTES,
1374
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:50,867
WHO IS ONE OF GARY'S VICTIMS.
1375
01:17:50,900 --> 01:17:55,939
IT REALLY--THE IDEA OF SEEING
IF WE COULD REACH OUT A HAND
1376
01:17:55,972 --> 01:17:59,075
AND SAY "I'M SORRY"...
- YEAH.
1377
01:17:59,108 --> 01:18:00,209
- TO SOMEONE--
- YEAH.
1378
01:18:00,243 --> 01:18:03,179
- IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW,
WORTH A SHOT.
1379
01:18:03,212 --> 01:18:08,217
I WAS HOPING THAT YOU WOULD
MAYBE COME WITH ME TO SEE HER.
1380
01:18:08,251 --> 01:18:10,854
- I WOULD LOVE TO.
I MEAN...
1381
01:18:10,887 --> 01:18:13,056
IT WOULD BE AN HONOR
TO BE ABLE TO.
1382
01:18:13,089 --> 01:18:15,058
- I WAS HOPING
YOU WOULD SAY THAT.
1383
01:18:22,999 --> 01:18:26,836
- I'M NERVOUS.
1384
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:28,504
- I'M TERRIFIED
1385
01:18:28,537 --> 01:18:31,507
'CAUSE I WONDER, LIKE,
1386
01:18:31,540 --> 01:18:33,943
DOES IT EVER END,
YOU KNOW,
1387
01:18:33,977 --> 01:18:35,879
THE PAIN THAT SHE GOES THROUGH?
1388
01:18:35,912 --> 01:18:37,080
- YEAH.
1389
01:18:37,113 --> 01:18:39,215
- OH.
1390
01:18:39,248 --> 01:18:42,351
- [crying]
HI. CAN I HUG YOU?
1391
01:18:43,987 --> 01:18:45,989
- I'M JEN, TOO.
1392
01:18:46,022 --> 01:18:49,492
- THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
1393
01:18:49,525 --> 01:18:52,228
- HI.
1394
01:18:52,261 --> 01:18:57,100
YOU'RE BEAUTIFUL.
- NICE TO MEET YOU.
1395
01:18:57,133 --> 01:18:59,002
- WILL YOU SIT WITH US?
- SURE.
1396
01:18:59,035 --> 01:19:00,970
- OKAY.
1397
01:19:01,004 --> 01:19:01,971
- HOW ABOUT IF WE DO THIS?
1398
01:19:02,005 --> 01:19:05,308
- THERE WE ARE.
1399
01:19:05,341 --> 01:19:08,411
- DIDN'T QUITE KNOW HOW,
YOU KNOW, THIS WAS GONNA GO
1400
01:19:08,444 --> 01:19:12,882
AND WHAT TO EXPECT
AND LITTLE SCARY AND...
1401
01:19:12,916 --> 01:19:16,252
PART OF WHY I'M HERE IS BECAUSE,
TO A CERTAIN POINT,
1402
01:19:16,285 --> 01:19:19,522
GARY'S STILL, YOU KNOW,
IN MY DREAMS.
1403
01:19:19,555 --> 01:19:23,526
FORGIVENESS IS HARD
JUST FOR THE SAKE OF FORGIVING.
1404
01:19:23,559 --> 01:19:25,194
JUST BECAUSE GOD SAYS
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FORGIVE
1405
01:19:25,228 --> 01:19:27,997
OR OTHER PEOPLE THINK YOU'RE
A BAD PERSON IF YOU DON'T,
1406
01:19:28,031 --> 01:19:29,799
BUT THEY'RE NOT WALKING
IN MY SHOES.
1407
01:19:29,833 --> 01:19:32,135
- RIGHT.
- THEY DON'T FEEL MY LOSS.
1408
01:19:32,168 --> 01:19:33,569
THEY DON'T FEEL MY PAIN.
1409
01:19:33,602 --> 01:19:38,541
THAT WILL ALWAYS BE THERE,
YOU KNOW, AND THE ANGER.
1410
01:19:38,574 --> 01:19:40,109
- I THINK THE EASIEST THING
TO DO
1411
01:19:40,143 --> 01:19:43,012
IS TO JUST GET ANGRY ABOUT IT,
RIGHT? I MEAN--
1412
01:19:43,046 --> 01:19:46,582
- I DON'T BLAME--I DON'T BLAME
YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW?
1413
01:19:46,615 --> 01:19:48,818
I MEAN, IT'S--
YOU'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN ME.
1414
01:19:48,852 --> 01:19:50,219
I COULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
1415
01:19:50,253 --> 01:19:54,958
I WAS A KID MYSELF
WHEN MY SISTER DIED.
1416
01:19:54,991 --> 01:19:57,460
YOU CAN'T CHANGE
WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED,
1417
01:19:57,493 --> 01:20:01,030
BUT YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY
LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED,
1418
01:20:01,064 --> 01:20:02,565
BE HONEST ABOUT IT,
1419
01:20:02,598 --> 01:20:05,601
BE WILLING, YOU KNOW,
TO CALL IT WHAT IT WAS,
1420
01:20:05,634 --> 01:20:08,237
AND SAY, "OKAY, WELL,
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?"
1421
01:20:15,278 --> 01:20:19,182
RIGHT OVER THE FENCE HERE
IS WHERE THE BALL FIELD WAS,
1422
01:20:19,215 --> 01:20:22,919
AND WHERE DEBBIE WAS,
1423
01:20:22,952 --> 01:20:27,256
UM, IT WAS RIGHT BACK
IN THIS AREA,
1424
01:20:27,290 --> 01:20:28,992
RIGHT BACK HERE.
1425
01:20:29,025 --> 01:20:32,161
THE LANDMARKS HELP TO TELL,
YOU KNOW, WHERE SHE WAS.
1426
01:20:34,330 --> 01:20:37,266
LOOKING UP, YOU KNOW,
REALIZING THAT, YOU KNOW,
1427
01:20:37,300 --> 01:20:41,104
THIS IS PROBABLY THE LAST THING
THAT SHE SAW.
1428
01:20:45,274 --> 01:20:48,878
[sighs]
1429
01:20:48,912 --> 01:20:52,581
- I'M SO SORRY
FOR WHAT YOU'VE LOST.
1430
01:20:52,615 --> 01:20:58,121
I FEEL SO BAD, AND I JUST
REALLY WANT TO APOLOGIZE.
1431
01:20:58,154 --> 01:21:03,626
AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT I CAN
SAY, EXCEPT FOR I'M SORRY.
1432
01:21:03,659 --> 01:21:05,528
- I KNOW, I KNOW.
1433
01:21:09,598 --> 01:21:13,036
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S SINCERE.
1434
01:21:13,069 --> 01:21:15,939
I DO, I BELIEVE THAT
THAT IS SINCERE,
1435
01:21:15,972 --> 01:21:16,973
AND I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.
1436
01:21:17,006 --> 01:21:18,407
YOU DIDN'T DO IT.
1437
01:21:24,013 --> 01:21:26,182
- IT'S OKAY.
1438
01:21:26,215 --> 01:21:29,618
OH, MY GOD.
1439
01:21:29,652 --> 01:21:31,520
OH...
1440
01:21:34,223 --> 01:21:37,293
- I WILL ALWAYS MISS HER.
1441
01:21:37,326 --> 01:21:41,965
THERE IS NEVER A DAY, EVER,
THAT HAPPENS THAT--
1442
01:21:41,998 --> 01:21:44,433
YOU KNOW, THAT I DON'T MISS
MY SISTER.
1443
01:21:44,467 --> 01:21:46,669
IT'S HARD.
IT IS REALLY, REALLY HARD.
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