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[Jeremy] I often wonder
about the nature of reality.
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About our relationship
to the creative force
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that forged
the particles of our stars
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entwined them
with the molecules
of our bodies.
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Who are we?
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And where are
we actually sitting
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within the architecture
of our universe?
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Are we alone?
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Or is the answer simply
stranger than we can think?
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My name is Jeremy Corbell.
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I seek to weaponize
your curiosity.
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And if you're ready to suspend your own prejudice,
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welcome to the world
of extraordinary beliefs.
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[Jeremy] Explosive stuff
is coming out of here.
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Something's going on right now.
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Can you talk about that?
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If everything
goes as planned,
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I think we are on the Eve
of something momentous
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that will change,
on a tectonic level,
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the UFO subject.
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[Jeremy] It's gonna
be really big.
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I think it changes the tone
of how other media would treat
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the UFO topic from here on now.
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I hope so, anyway.
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And it's gonna reveal some
things that have been going on
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for a long time.
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[Jeremy] Government
involvement in studying
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the phenomenon itself.
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Yes, beyond just lights
in the sky or radar returns,
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they've been investigating
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and looking
into associated phenomenon.
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Things that occur
in proximity
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with, what we call, UFO.
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[Knapp] Things that
you would think
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the government
would find too far out.
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[Jeremy] Will any
of the fingers
be pointing toward
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Skinwalker Ranch?
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[Knapp] Hopefully,
this opens it up.
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It changes everything.
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Declassified videos,
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authentic Department
of Defense footage
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published by theNew York Times in December.
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[newscaster] The program received more than $20 million.
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for it's work.
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[man] For nearly
the last decade,
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I ran a Sensitive Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
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People I think have conflated
the concept of a UFO
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with whether
we're visited by aliens.
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[man] The program
produced documents
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that describe
sightings of aircrafts
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with no visible
signs of propulsion.
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We're talking about unidentified
flying objects, UFOs.
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[man] We have something here
but don't know what it is.
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We sure don't know how it works
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and either way there's
nothing we can do about it.
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Nobody gives a [beep]
about aliens.
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Yeah. They're looking for things
that might possibly be...
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[man] This is a potential
threat and a grave one
to our country.
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What is DOD doing about it?
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[man 2] The so called
Tic Tac UFO
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was detected over
several days in 2004
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by personnel with the
USS Nimitz battle group
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off the coast of San Diego.
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It didn't attack
but it demonstrated
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vast superiority over America's most advanced defense systems.
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These observations match
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with previous observations
going well before that.
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We have something
coming into our airspace.
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When it continues
to happen as a pattern,
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we know, become
increasingly concerned.
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Because it's not an anomaly.
No, it's a trend.
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This video was recorded off
the coast of Florida in 2015.
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That is in our airspace.
It shouldn't be here.
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You DOD, you CIA, you DHS,
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had the responsibility
of protecting us.
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How did this happen?
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And yet it's crickets.
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Nobody wants
to have a conversation.
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My job in the government
at the time, it was two fold.
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To determine what it was
and how it worked.
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But I figured if we can answer at least those two first things
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then every thing we would be
able to explain later.
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The technology of these crafts
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is beyond anything
known on Earth.
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[intense music playing]
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[Jeremy] This is
the story of a place.
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It's been shrouded in secrecy
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for more than 20 years.
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There've been whispers,
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but most likely you've never
seen or heard the real dance.
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I guarantee you
that was the plan all along.
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That's exactly
what they wanted.
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Imagine a place between
shadow and substance.
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A place where
the world is thin.
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To most, the location
that invokes the darkest
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and most hidden
corners of terror.
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Something prowls here,
something lurks.
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And if you hunt it,
it's gonna hunt you back.
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It's elusive,
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manipulative,
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and violent.
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It's haunting more
than haunted.
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We don't really understand it.
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Even after the largest
scale scientific study
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in history
of the paranormal hotspot,
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there are more
questions than answers.
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However, we do
have some answers.
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And that's what
this story is about.
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This is a hunt.
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A hunt for answers
to unformed questions.
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A hunt for the unknown.
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And the answers
have been hiding at a ranch
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at the center of it all.
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I was like you until I wasn't.
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[Knapp] When you're trying
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to study something
like the Skinwalker Ranch,
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you gotta cast
a really wide neck
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Cause ultimately this mystery,
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we don't know
what the hell it is.
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[Jeremy] We know there's
more to a story
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when you are not allowed
to talk about it.
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That's a human burden.
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[Knapp] Yeah, I mean it was
frustrating in the beginning
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because Colm and Bob Bigelow
would tell me the stories
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about what was
going on in the property
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and I couldn't tell anyone.
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I couldn't write about it
and it drove me crazy.
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And I kept pestering him
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and eventually, they thought,
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"What the heck?
We'll give it a try.
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maybe we'll find out if there
are other places like it.
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The publicity will
do us some good.
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Maybe some other witnesses
will come forward."
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So, they allowed me to write
those newspaper articles.
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And we got a heck
of a lot of attention.
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[Jeremy] There's a lot.
I'm covering all this, huh?
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[Knapp] Oh, my God.
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There's some of this stuff
I haven't seen in a long time.
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[Jeremy] It's overwhelming.
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This is stuff, material
that's specific to the ranch.
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I've saved every
scrap of paper ever since
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Dr. Colm Kelleher
and Bob Bigelow, sort of,
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brought me into the loop
about what was going on there.
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I've been hearing
about it for a couple of years
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but wasn't allowed
to say anything
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and then eventually I talked to
Bob Bigelow
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to give me the permission
to go to the ranch
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and Colm Kelleher
gave me a tour.
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A couple of times.
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And people forget, you know,
they're familiar with the book
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but they forget that my interest
in it started this documentary.
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[Jeremy] Plenty
of fresh book reviews.
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[Knapp] Yeah.
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Like a mustachioed and debonair
Fox Mulder.
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George Knapp wants to believe.
So do I actually."
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We got that reaction a lot.
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"You guys didn't convince me."
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Convince you of what?
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We weren't trying
to convince anyone.
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We're trying to tell the story
and asking people,
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"Hey, help us figure this out."
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'Cause we don't know
what their explanation is.
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[Jeremy] Is there
more to tell now?
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[Knapp] There's a lot
more to tell.
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There's so many things that
have happened on the property
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since the book came out that
have not been made public.
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There's all kinds of people,
hundreds of people
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who have visited the property.
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And it's like a Rorschach test.
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They go there
thinking they're
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gonna see
Skinwalkers or Bigfoot
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and sure enough they do.
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So, you take those accounts
with a grain of salt.
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Other times, people have had
some pretty dramatic encounters
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that they keep to themselves.
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And some accounts have happened
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to people who are very credible,
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who had very dramatic encounters
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and their stories
have not been told
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for reasons that
I cannot explain right now.
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But, um, those
are the spookiest of all
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because the consequences
go beyond the property.
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[Jeremy] You could explain.
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You won't explain.
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I, I can't.
I can't at this point.
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It leads to a much bigger place
and a much bigger understanding
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of what we're dealing
Without there.
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It's not simply a haunted ranch.
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It's not an activity that stays
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confined to this particular
piece of property.
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It moves. It travels.
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[Jeremy] And there
were actual events?
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Yeah. I mean,
you know, I don't remember
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if we talked
about it in the book
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but the family,
the Gorman family,
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had experiences
that followed them.
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After they left the property
it followed them for a while.
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They're not the only ones
that's happened to.
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Since the book came out,
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there have been other people
who've been on the property.
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They've seen stuff
on the property.
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They've had encounters
where they were, basically told,
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"Stop. You're not welcome here."
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And then, it followed them.
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And that's all
I can say about it.
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It's hard to find anybody
in the Uintah Basin
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who doesn't have
some kind of an experience
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with the UFO or Bigfoot
or some other strange phenomenon
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or somebody in their family.
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So, we recorded a lot of
that stuff on multiple trips.
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That footage was recorded
on different kinds of formats.
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We collected information
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and tapes
from some of the witnesses
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who had made
their own recordings
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and all of that material
was saved with the idea
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of producing a documentary
or a series of documentaries
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and then, we were
asked to not proceed.
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So, I basically canned it.
Put it all in a box.
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Most of the footage has never
seen the light of day.
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[Jeremy] That's a mountain
of tapes. What's on
these tapes?
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[Knapp] These are
interviews we did.
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We had tours
of the property several times.
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Robert Bigelow comments
about the ranch,
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cattle mutilations,
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interviews with neighbors
who had lost cattle.
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[shuffling tapes]
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[Knapp] Trying to get
Mr. Bigelow to go on camera
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to talk about it was difficult.
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At the time I thought
they got him to sit down
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and open up about it.
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It was the first interview
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he had ever done
on the subject.
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Eventhough I had
known him for 20 years
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it was really tough
to get him sit down
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and talk about it.
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[Jeremy] So most of this
video footage in this box
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the world has never seen?
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[Knapp] Yeah. This is
30 or 40 hours of material
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that the public has never seen
before.
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[Jeremy] This topic is deep.
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It requires
serious investigation.
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It requires people
to look at the evidence.
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My curiosity became
so overwhelming
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that I could no longer
be a passive observer
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but I had to become
an active participant.
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The original story
never seen by the public
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can now be told.
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And it's weaved into a tapestry
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of new ongoing
phenomenon and events.
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This is a moment in time
that can't be replicated.
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This will never happen again.
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The access to the ranch during the investigations
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that will never happen again.
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The time is right and the time is definitely now.
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Notoriety of Skinwalker ranch
exploded in 2005
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with the publication of the book
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Hunt for the Skinwalker
which was written by
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George Knapp and Colm Kelleher.
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That book exploded this area
on to the map.
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George's documentation
was exclusive.
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It was happening while
investigators were on the ranch.
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I mean, there are no images
from Skinwalker ranch.
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There's no video.
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There's no footage
during these investigations.
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The only footage of this
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is in these archived
boxes of George Knapp.
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It was like Raiders
of the Lost Ark,man.
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Documents, and paperwork
and footage, it's everything
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that George Knapp
has accumulated
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over 20 something years.
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He's the only journalist ever
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allowed to be on the ranch
and to document and film.
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So, it's this
incredible opportunity.
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The footage was held back.
It was embargoed.
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It was shut off.
So to be able to pull tapes
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from that archive
of those boxes,
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it's really rare footage.
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It's incredible that
we are at the point
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where it can
be shown to the public.
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Skinwalker ranch,
this is like the Area 51
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of the paranormal.
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If any of this is true,
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this is game changing.
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Go public now.
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So this is officially
the second homestead
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Down here, yes,
the middle homestead
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This is where this pretty
hairy stuff has happened.
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[narrator] In the middle
of the night,
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in what looks like
the middle of nowhere,
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we slice into inky darkness
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in the company of investigators
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who've taken a bouncy ride
down the same rugged road
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hundreds of times.
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They remember
every barbed wire gate,
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every curve and dip
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and they remember,
all too well,
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the location
of every bizarre encounter
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they've documented since 1996.
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The dirt trail is the only path through the property.
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Seemingly, the only way
anyone or anything
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can get in or out.
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Though there maybe other
less obvious points of entry,
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on moonless nights,
the darkness hangs
like a heavy blanket
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smothering beams
of artificial light.
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Beyond 20 feet, it's blackness.
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We stop at what's called
the middle homestead,
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where the gangly branches
of towering cottonwoods
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engulf stark weather beaten
structures.
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Rustic homes
that have been empty
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for 50 years or more.
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Seriously,
it's like the backdrop
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for a slasher movie
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except this wasn't created
by a set designer.
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This is the throbbing heart
of Skinwalker ranch.
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What is it about this place?
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Not merely the ranch
but the entire Uintah Basin.
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It is a grand central station.
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A place where everything
from cattle mutilations
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to Bigfoot to UFOs,
flying objects,
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they all seem to be congregated
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on a 480 acre ranch
in north-eastern Utah.
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[man] A lot of people,
we understand,
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have seen these things
over the years in this area.
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-Is that fair to say?
-Uh...
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Hundreds, hundreds of people,
in my opinion.
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I had some girlfriends
that I kinda ran around with
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back in '77, '78 and
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they told me experiences that happened out by Bottle Hollow.
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Lights that... forms
that'll be above them
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and they were scared.
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At the ranch,
as you all know,
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it was not a single phenomenon.
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It was not go out
and watch a UFO.
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Go out and watch, uh,
you know,
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the lights, like
the Mur full lights or something
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[John] There were a host of things that happened.
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When and where
were quite unpredictable
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except that they happened
within a
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relatively small
geographic area.
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[man] The UFO
manifestation activity here
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ranges all over this country
its...
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The basin is a very,
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I don't know what
the square mileage is
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but it's huge
in northeastern Utah,
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and to the Uinta mountains
to the north of us.
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The same type
of paranormal activity
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is demonstrated
in many case histories
up there as well.
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[narrator] For as long
as humans have lived
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in this part
of northeastern Utah,
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they reported
strange things in the sky,
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in and around their homes,
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00:18:04,324 --> 00:18:06,464
and sometimes,
inside their heads.
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A byzantine smattering
of unusual phenomena.
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A paranormal stew.
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It's as if some other reality
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occasionally bleeds
into our world
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giving us glimpses
of the Universe next door.
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On our first visit
to the ranch,
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we tried to get the attention
of whatever it is
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that lives here.
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Sometimes, merely the arrival
of outsiders is enough.
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So, we hiked around,
made noise, disturbed
the earth.
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And at night, we built a fire
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out in the middle homestead
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which has been a focal point
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00:18:41,672 --> 00:18:43,881
of dramatic
and unexplained events.
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We did everything short
of painting a bull's eye
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on our foreheads
and then, we waited.
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On the other side of the fire,
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a man who spent 27 years
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as a law enforcement officer
in the Uintah Basin
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he asked that we
not use his real name.
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So, we'll call him Preston.
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[Preston] There was one
of the local newspapers
who did a...
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I guess you should call
like a poll in this area.
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Asked several people
the question that
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do you believe
that there are...
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in UFOs
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and we believe that
the Uintah Basin
is a hotspot for it.
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And, it was
like four out of five,
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the answer was yes.
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And the majority of them
said that they was undecided.
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I don't know one individual
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that absolutely said,
"No, I do not believe them.
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Or that they even exist."
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And I'm referring
to long time residents
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of the Basin that had...
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That was born
and raised here
in the Basin.
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[narrator] Preston remembers
when the waves of reports
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started pouring in
to local police.
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I think it was 1971,
when I first started
in law enforcement.
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There were several reports
of UFO sightings
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that was put out to
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like law enforcement
officers in the field.
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00:20:02,649 --> 00:20:05,928
As I recall, there was three
to four of those reports
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00:20:05,963 --> 00:20:08,379
that I received where
I actually witnessed it
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what I believed to be
an unidentified flying object.
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[narrator] His wife also
had multiple sightings.
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One that coincided
with a mutilated cow
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on Preston's property.
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00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:21,979
And another, in 1995,
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00:20:22,013 --> 00:20:24,153
directly over Skinwalker ranch.
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00:20:24,188 --> 00:20:26,673
Preston interviewed
his own wife in 1998
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00:20:26,708 --> 00:20:29,573
and wrote this report for a private research group.
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00:20:29,607 --> 00:20:32,576
The object his wife reported
was shaped like a hexagon.
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00:20:32,610 --> 00:20:35,061
Aluminum colored
with multiple lights.
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00:20:35,095 --> 00:20:39,341
What she described was four
lights like connected to a bar.
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00:20:40,618 --> 00:20:42,931
They were just
four large lights
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00:20:42,965 --> 00:20:45,727
that appeared over the ridge
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and I was some distance away
from her when she'd seen it.
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00:20:50,628 --> 00:20:51,940
She called it to my attention.
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But before I could get there,
they had disappeared.
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[man] This is probably
the most studied real estate
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in the history
of the UFO phenomenon.
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There has never been,
to our knowledge,
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00:21:03,952 --> 00:21:07,369
a place that has had
the same kind of focus
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00:21:07,404 --> 00:21:09,371
in terms of studying.
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[narrator] Uintah Basin
isn't the middle of nowhere.
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It's far removed
from big cities
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00:21:17,172 --> 00:21:18,484
but that's how
the locals like it.
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00:21:18,518 --> 00:21:20,796
The landscape
is stark and beautiful.
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00:21:20,831 --> 00:21:23,799
The dirt and rocks
rich in hydro carbons
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00:21:23,834 --> 00:21:25,318
and dinosaur bones.
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00:21:25,353 --> 00:21:28,528
But something here seems to be a magnet for the unknown.
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It's been that
way for a long time.
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In the Uintah Basin
unknown aerial objects
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00:21:34,431 --> 00:21:37,468
became so commonplace
in the '60s and '70s
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00:21:37,503 --> 00:21:39,367
that locals became
used to seeing them.
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00:21:39,401 --> 00:21:42,335
And outside investigators
were drawn to the area.
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One of them, Utah State
University scientist
Dr. Frank Salisbury
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00:21:46,477 --> 00:21:48,893
wrote a highly regarded book,
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The Utah UFO Display.
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00:21:50,930 --> 00:21:53,691
After reading out that
90 percent of sightings
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00:21:53,726 --> 00:21:55,866
which were likely
misidentifications
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00:21:55,900 --> 00:21:57,385
of known objects,
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00:21:57,419 --> 00:21:59,904
he focused on
four hundred or so
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00:21:59,939 --> 00:22:01,354
well documented cases
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00:22:01,389 --> 00:22:03,908
involving unknown
structured craft
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00:22:03,943 --> 00:22:05,600
of many shapes and sizes.
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00:22:05,634 --> 00:22:07,740
Salisbury obtained
most of the case files
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from life long resident
Joseph Junior Hicks,
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00:22:11,088 --> 00:22:12,434
a local science teacher
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00:22:12,469 --> 00:22:15,679
who had educated generations
of Uintah residents.
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00:22:15,713 --> 00:22:18,854
Hicks spent years driving
the back roads of the Basin
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00:22:18,889 --> 00:22:20,960
to meet
and interview eye witnesses.
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00:22:20,994 --> 00:22:22,962
Many of them
were his former students.
447
00:22:22,996 --> 00:22:26,655
And I said, "Can you see that?
Look at that. That's amazing."
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00:22:26,690 --> 00:22:33,973
It was a round
gray metallic looking thing.
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00:22:34,007 --> 00:22:35,630
[narrator] In January 1999,
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an oil company
executive Gregory Todd
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00:22:38,115 --> 00:22:39,288
was driving home from work
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00:22:39,323 --> 00:22:41,429
talking on the phone
to a co-worker
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00:22:41,463 --> 00:22:43,223
headed
in the opposite direction
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00:22:43,258 --> 00:22:44,397
for the town of Vernal.
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00:22:44,432 --> 00:22:47,331
Todd noticed an object
that looked like this.
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Roundish, gray, metallic
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with no wings or tail
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traveling at a high rate
of speed toward the ground.
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00:22:54,442 --> 00:22:55,995
And I say, "This is amazing."
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00:22:56,029 --> 00:23:00,724
And it came down
and went behind some clouds
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00:23:00,758 --> 00:23:03,382
that were just kind
of on the horizon.
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00:23:03,416 --> 00:23:05,660
I said, "That had
to be humongous."
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00:23:05,694 --> 00:23:09,284
Then I thought, "Okay,
explosion. Something." you know.
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And I never did.
There was nothing.
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[narrator] The next day he
spoke to a group of friends.
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And I said, "Okay, guys.
I'm gonna ask you something.
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00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:18,397
Did you guys see
something weird last night?"
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00:23:18,431 --> 00:23:19,570
And they just happen to be
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coming down the Bluebell Road
facing south.
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00:23:21,952 --> 00:23:24,368
And they say, "Yeah,
we saw this round thing."
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00:23:24,403 --> 00:23:26,197
You know, and it wasn't
even a big deal to them.
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00:23:26,232 --> 00:23:28,924
It's like, "Yeah, we just saw
this round thing in the sky."
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00:23:28,959 --> 00:23:33,481
I thought, "Well, you know,
think about it."
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00:23:33,515 --> 00:23:35,517
You know,
and I said, then I said,
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00:23:35,552 --> 00:23:37,001
"Okay, that thing is big.
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00:23:37,036 --> 00:23:39,797
That was big.
Whatever it was, it was big."
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00:23:39,832 --> 00:23:42,628
Cause Bluebell's 20 miles away.
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00:23:42,662 --> 00:23:45,354
I was five miles
away from Roseville.
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And three different
groups saw it.
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[narrator] Few places
in the world have had
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so many sightings over
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such a long
period of time.
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00:23:52,569 --> 00:23:54,536
Not just decades
but centuries.
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00:23:54,571 --> 00:23:55,951
The earliest report is from
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the journal
of Father Escalante,
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00:23:57,919 --> 00:24:00,922
the Spanish
missionary who in 1776
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00:24:00,956 --> 00:24:04,132
led the first European party
across the Basin.
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00:24:04,166 --> 00:24:07,480
But Uintah is much more
than a UFO hotspot.
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The objects seen in the skies
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are benign distractions
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00:24:10,932 --> 00:24:13,486
compared to the bizarre
events on the ground.
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00:24:13,521 --> 00:24:16,593
In particular, on this strip of green pasture
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that's said to be in the path of the Skinwalker.
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[Preston] They believed that,
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00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:22,530
like you talk
about the Skinwalker,
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00:24:22,564 --> 00:24:26,741
is extra terrestrial.
497
00:24:26,775 --> 00:24:29,157
This is something
that's in their culture.
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00:24:29,191 --> 00:24:32,194
It has been forever.
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00:24:40,340 --> 00:24:42,998
[Jeremy] But this story is bigger than just the ranch.
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00:24:43,033 --> 00:24:45,691
This story is
an ever pervasive river
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00:24:45,725 --> 00:24:47,382
churning and leeching
502
00:24:47,416 --> 00:24:49,349
seemingly paranormal ooze
503
00:24:49,384 --> 00:24:50,972
throughout
the surrounding area.
504
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,217
It creeps to the edges.
505
00:24:55,252 --> 00:24:58,427
If there is an unofficial
UFO capital in Utah,
506
00:24:58,462 --> 00:25:00,222
it's the northeastern corner.
507
00:25:01,638 --> 00:25:03,018
Quietly and secretly
508
00:25:03,053 --> 00:25:05,883
there's been a current
that runs through this area.
509
00:25:09,749 --> 00:25:11,475
Throw a rock in any direction
510
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:14,271
in the small town
of the Uintah Basin
511
00:25:14,305 --> 00:25:16,480
and you're likely
to hit someone who's seen
512
00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:18,620
anomalous aerial object.
513
00:25:19,552 --> 00:25:21,899
The Basin is a UFO hotbed.
514
00:25:21,934 --> 00:25:25,593
The locals are reluctant
to talk about it
with outsiders.
515
00:25:25,627 --> 00:25:27,491
But the number of sightings
516
00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:29,735
easily ranges in the thousands
517
00:25:30,770 --> 00:25:32,634
The artificial consensus
518
00:25:32,669 --> 00:25:34,567
is that more
than half of the people
519
00:25:34,602 --> 00:25:37,121
who live in the Basin
have seen them
520
00:25:37,156 --> 00:25:39,883
over the mountains,
above the towns,
521
00:25:39,917 --> 00:25:42,126
on roadways and oil fields.
522
00:25:42,161 --> 00:25:45,544
Anomalous lights,
manoevuring orbs,
523
00:25:45,578 --> 00:25:47,200
and metallic crafts.
524
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,180
Objects, things, which are not easily explained.
525
00:26:01,214 --> 00:26:03,803
Why so many and why here?
526
00:26:05,494 --> 00:26:08,636
Roosevelt, Ballard,
Fort Duchesne,
527
00:26:09,188 --> 00:26:10,361
Uintah County.
528
00:26:11,604 --> 00:26:13,675
For some
the phenomenon provides
529
00:26:13,710 --> 00:26:15,850
a Mecca for curiosity.
530
00:26:15,884 --> 00:26:18,093
But for those
that experience it,
531
00:26:18,646 --> 00:26:20,026
it's corrosive.
532
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,684
Like an acid.
533
00:26:22,719 --> 00:26:24,790
And it's been here a long time.
534
00:26:25,860 --> 00:26:29,277
Stories of UFOs,
poltergeist like occurrences
535
00:26:29,311 --> 00:26:31,244
and creatures of all kinds
536
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:32,763
have popped the landscape
537
00:26:32,798 --> 00:26:35,386
and residents
throughout generations.
538
00:26:38,493 --> 00:26:41,772
Normal people,
hardworking people,
539
00:26:41,807 --> 00:26:43,843
they're having
extraordinary encounters
540
00:26:43,878 --> 00:26:46,259
of every shape and shadow.
541
00:26:50,712 --> 00:26:52,680
It's just part
of life out here.
542
00:27:01,758 --> 00:27:03,414
[background music playing]
543
00:27:08,868 --> 00:27:10,663
[man] We purchased the property
544
00:27:10,698 --> 00:27:12,492
as a living laboratory.
545
00:27:12,527 --> 00:27:14,978
It's been
a phenomenal laboratory.
546
00:27:15,012 --> 00:27:17,705
I feel humbled.
We did get a good education.
547
00:27:17,739 --> 00:27:20,155
and I think
we're still learning.
548
00:27:20,190 --> 00:27:23,020
[narrator] The NIDS guys
used dogs as biosensors.
549
00:27:23,055 --> 00:27:24,746
The dogs would be able to sense
550
00:27:24,781 --> 00:27:27,680
that something was near and give them advanced warning.
551
00:27:27,715 --> 00:27:30,062
They were uncannily accurate.
552
00:27:30,096 --> 00:27:31,960
It's close to a hundred
different incidents.
553
00:27:31,995 --> 00:27:34,756
We've trained
like hell to deal with this.
554
00:27:34,791 --> 00:27:36,655
Animal mutilations,
555
00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:39,692
red lights in the sky,
animals being moved
556
00:27:39,727 --> 00:27:41,211
into different locations.
557
00:27:41,245 --> 00:27:44,524
No two incidents
ever repeated themselves.
558
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:48,011
Training is meaningless
and nothing was repeated.
559
00:27:48,045 --> 00:27:50,703
And that has
happened consistently.
560
00:27:50,738 --> 00:27:52,360
It's still consistent.
561
00:27:52,394 --> 00:27:55,881
This is a lot more than
a human story, if you learn.
562
00:27:55,915 --> 00:27:58,746
Consciousness plays
a significant role
563
00:27:58,780 --> 00:28:00,195
in this topic.
564
00:28:00,230 --> 00:28:02,094
It's something
that's completely
565
00:28:02,128 --> 00:28:04,717
outside of our
normal physics
566
00:28:04,752 --> 00:28:05,787
and understanding.
567
00:28:05,822 --> 00:28:07,375
This is something that is
568
00:28:07,409 --> 00:28:10,378
beyond our normal means
of calibrating.
569
00:28:10,412 --> 00:28:13,415
It became obvious that we
were along for the run
570
00:28:13,450 --> 00:28:15,141
and not the ones in control.
571
00:28:21,907 --> 00:28:25,255
[interviewer] Did you have
an experience on the ranch?
572
00:28:25,289 --> 00:28:28,568
My first visit there,
it had been a down period.
573
00:28:28,603 --> 00:28:29,846
Colm Kelleher told me,
574
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,331
"Look, the activity is, sort of,
gone underground."
575
00:28:32,365 --> 00:28:33,850
That's why I was
allowed to go.
576
00:28:33,884 --> 00:28:36,059
Because, maybe,
they'd figured I can...
577
00:28:36,093 --> 00:28:38,302
My own inherent
weirdness quotient
578
00:28:38,337 --> 00:28:39,752
I can stir something up
579
00:28:39,787 --> 00:28:41,305
or I can, at least,
580
00:28:41,340 --> 00:28:43,687
tell the world a little bit
about the stories.
581
00:28:43,722 --> 00:28:44,757
So, that we can find out
582
00:28:44,792 --> 00:28:46,000
if there are other
places like that.
583
00:28:46,034 --> 00:28:47,795
So, I went to the property
584
00:28:47,829 --> 00:28:50,659
and there was a couple
of things that would happen
585
00:28:50,694 --> 00:28:52,144
that would stimulate activity.
586
00:28:52,178 --> 00:28:54,525
Historically, there's
an arrival of a stranger.
587
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:55,526
That was me.
588
00:28:55,561 --> 00:28:57,149
If you make a bunch of noise,
589
00:28:57,183 --> 00:29:00,393
in particular,
digging up the earth.
590
00:29:01,809 --> 00:29:02,879
So, we did all that.
591
00:29:02,913 --> 00:29:04,535
We, you know,
I made a bunch of noise.
592
00:29:04,570 --> 00:29:05,951
We built a fire out there.
593
00:29:05,985 --> 00:29:07,021
We danced around it.
594
00:29:07,055 --> 00:29:08,885
And then we got an earth mover
595
00:29:08,919 --> 00:29:10,334
and dug a bunch of holes.
596
00:29:10,369 --> 00:29:12,647
So, if there was
something to be disturbed,
597
00:29:12,681 --> 00:29:14,235
we did our best to disturb it.
598
00:29:14,269 --> 00:29:16,789
And then they took me
and put me on a chair
599
00:29:16,824 --> 00:29:18,342
in the middle homestead
600
00:29:18,377 --> 00:29:20,482
where some really
bad stuff had happened.
601
00:29:20,517 --> 00:29:21,863
And they left me there.
602
00:29:21,898 --> 00:29:26,281
It was a pitch black middle
of the night, middle of nowhere,
603
00:29:26,316 --> 00:29:29,768
at a place that
where the monster,
604
00:29:29,802 --> 00:29:32,598
the predator type
of monster had appeared,
605
00:29:32,632 --> 00:29:36,636
where giant dark cloud had
invaded a physicist mind,
606
00:29:36,671 --> 00:29:38,811
where several cattle
had been mutilated,
607
00:29:38,846 --> 00:29:39,916
where a ball of light
608
00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:42,573
to a dimentional
warmhole had appeared.
609
00:29:42,608 --> 00:29:43,851
I'm right there.
610
00:29:43,885 --> 00:29:45,231
And they said, "See ya."
611
00:29:45,266 --> 00:29:46,750
And they went
a couple of hundred yards away
612
00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,857
and put a camera on me to see
if something came and got me.
613
00:29:49,891 --> 00:29:51,410
And I'd like to tell people that
614
00:29:51,444 --> 00:29:54,206
I was brave.
I'm not afraid of this stuff
615
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,935
but I was. I was on edge waiting
to see what would happen.
616
00:29:58,969 --> 00:30:00,246
I'm thinking to myself,
617
00:30:00,281 --> 00:30:02,593
"Look, okay, I'm fine
with flying saucers coming here.
618
00:30:02,628 --> 00:30:05,458
I'd like to see a ball of light,
or orb or something like that.
619
00:30:05,493 --> 00:30:06,632
That'd be really great.
620
00:30:06,666 --> 00:30:08,841
But I don't really wanna come
621
00:30:08,876 --> 00:30:11,188
face to face
with predator monster.
622
00:30:11,223 --> 00:30:14,536
The only thing that came
to get me were mosquitoes.
623
00:30:14,571 --> 00:30:19,231
So, I have had no anomalous experience on the ranch myself.
624
00:30:19,265 --> 00:30:21,405
But I've interviewed
all the people,
625
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,994
all the key players,
every single one of them,
626
00:30:24,029 --> 00:30:26,376
the people who'd
been there for years.
627
00:30:26,410 --> 00:30:28,309
The only people
I haven't interviewed
628
00:30:28,343 --> 00:30:31,208
is the Gorman family themselves.
The Sharmans.
629
00:30:31,243 --> 00:30:34,694
But I have all these
transcribed interviews
630
00:30:34,729 --> 00:30:36,351
that the NIDS folks
had done.
631
00:30:36,386 --> 00:30:38,664
And in all the material
they collected
632
00:30:38,698 --> 00:30:40,528
during the height of the study,
633
00:30:40,562 --> 00:30:41,805
so I feel like I know.
634
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:42,910
And I've talked
to the neighbors.
635
00:30:42,944 --> 00:30:44,808
I've talked to people in town.
636
00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:45,878
This stuff is real.
637
00:30:45,913 --> 00:30:47,466
It's been going on a long time.
638
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:49,882
And everybody who
lives there knows about it.
639
00:30:49,917 --> 00:30:52,126
[Jeremy] So George Knapp
investigative reporter
640
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,991
and bait for Skinwalker ranch.
641
00:30:55,577 --> 00:30:56,613
I was bait.
642
00:30:57,821 --> 00:30:59,892
It's a good story to tell now.
643
00:30:59,927 --> 00:31:01,652
It wasn't pleasant at the time.
644
00:31:01,687 --> 00:31:03,033
It wasn't.
645
00:31:09,453 --> 00:31:12,387
[indigenous cry]
646
00:31:13,941 --> 00:31:15,080
[narrator]
To indigenous locals,
647
00:31:15,114 --> 00:31:17,565
this stretch of red
sandstone is special
648
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:20,913
because it is quote "in the path of the Skinwalker,"
649
00:31:20,948 --> 00:31:23,398
according to the members
of the Ute tribe.
650
00:31:23,433 --> 00:31:26,505
The first time we heard
that phrase the reaction was,
651
00:31:26,539 --> 00:31:27,678
"What's a Skinwalker?"
652
00:31:27,713 --> 00:31:31,027
It's a touchy subject for many tribes including the Utes
653
00:31:31,061 --> 00:31:32,752
whose sprawling nation covers
654
00:31:32,787 --> 00:31:35,686
1.3 million acres
in this country.
655
00:31:35,721 --> 00:31:37,343
The Utes were
ordered to move here
656
00:31:37,378 --> 00:31:38,724
around the end
of the civil war.
657
00:31:38,758 --> 00:31:42,624
US Army built and staffed a fort to keep an eye on them.
658
00:31:42,659 --> 00:31:45,041
Today, the Utes co-exist
with their neighbors
659
00:31:45,075 --> 00:31:47,146
while retaining their
own government,
660
00:31:47,181 --> 00:31:50,184
police force,
businesses and culture.
661
00:31:50,218 --> 00:31:52,565
[Preston] This is something
that's in their culture.
662
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,190
It has been forever.
663
00:31:56,224 --> 00:31:58,640
[narrator] Preston worked
as a tribal police officer
664
00:31:58,675 --> 00:31:59,607
for several years.
665
00:31:59,641 --> 00:32:01,436
But says few of his Ute friends
666
00:32:01,471 --> 00:32:03,611
are willing to talk
about Skinwalkers.
667
00:32:03,645 --> 00:32:04,819
Or you can compare it
668
00:32:04,853 --> 00:32:08,581
to the myth that you hear
of werewolves.
669
00:32:08,616 --> 00:32:12,275
Like an individual that turns
into an animal type being.
670
00:32:12,309 --> 00:32:15,830
Most of them are very
reluctant to talk about it.
671
00:32:15,864 --> 00:32:16,935
[narrator] In tribal lore,
672
00:32:16,969 --> 00:32:19,109
a Skinwalker
is an evil presence.
673
00:32:19,144 --> 00:32:21,111
A sorcerer, and shape-shifter
674
00:32:21,146 --> 00:32:23,182
who steals lives and souls.
675
00:32:23,217 --> 00:32:25,805
Even mentioning
the word is considered risky.
676
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,119
And this ridge said to be
in the path of the Skinwalker
677
00:32:29,154 --> 00:32:30,672
is a borderline of sorts.
678
00:32:30,707 --> 00:32:33,952
It overlooks an island
of private ranch property
679
00:32:33,986 --> 00:32:35,815
surrounded by tribal lands.
680
00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:37,748
The tribe
doesn't prohibit members
681
00:32:37,783 --> 00:32:39,095
from visiting the ranches,
682
00:32:39,129 --> 00:32:41,131
but strongly warns against it.
683
00:32:41,166 --> 00:32:44,928
In part because strange things seem to be concentrated here.
684
00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:47,379
Skinwalker is sort
of a blanket explanation
685
00:32:47,413 --> 00:32:50,106
for a range
of inexplicable events.
686
00:32:50,140 --> 00:32:52,315
There does seem
to have been a change
687
00:32:52,349 --> 00:32:54,386
between the '70s and the'90s.
688
00:32:54,420 --> 00:32:57,147
And they certainly
have the effects
689
00:32:57,182 --> 00:32:59,563
of the phenomenon
on different people.
690
00:32:59,598 --> 00:33:03,395
Where in the '70s,
you didn't get the scary stuff
691
00:33:05,052 --> 00:33:06,536
even in the Uintah Basin.
692
00:33:06,570 --> 00:33:11,023
And we're going mostly
on the testimony of Junior Hicks
693
00:33:11,058 --> 00:33:13,715
and probably, a couple
of dozen other witnesses.
694
00:33:14,958 --> 00:33:16,166
Whereas, in the '90s,
695
00:33:16,201 --> 00:33:18,617
most of the activity
that we have
696
00:33:18,651 --> 00:33:21,309
is centered around this ranch.
697
00:33:21,344 --> 00:33:23,829
And that was
all kind of very scary
698
00:33:23,863 --> 00:33:26,935
poltergeist kind of stuff
699
00:33:26,970 --> 00:33:31,147
that, it seems
to have changed in character.
700
00:33:31,181 --> 00:33:34,667
Eventhough the same silver disks
have been seen.
701
00:33:34,702 --> 00:33:38,809
Mexican hat type
UFOs have been seen in the area.
702
00:33:38,844 --> 00:33:40,087
But overlaid on that
703
00:33:40,121 --> 00:33:42,089
you've got these multiple kind
704
00:33:42,123 --> 00:33:44,194
of poltergeist
psychic type stuff.
705
00:33:44,229 --> 00:33:47,197
[narrator] Biochemist Dr. Colm Kelleher didn't expect
706
00:33:47,232 --> 00:33:49,303
to be sitting
at a dark cow pasture
707
00:33:49,337 --> 00:33:51,788
talking about Skinwalkers
and poltergeist
708
00:33:51,822 --> 00:33:53,410
when he signed on with NIDS.
709
00:33:53,445 --> 00:33:56,206
The National Institute
for DiscoverY Science
710
00:33:56,241 --> 00:33:57,656
founded in the mid '90s
711
00:33:57,690 --> 00:34:00,210
by Las Vegas billionaire
Robert Bigelow.
712
00:34:00,245 --> 00:34:04,111
Bigelow's life long interest
in UFO research led to NIDS.
713
00:34:04,145 --> 00:34:07,286
And to the ownership
of this 480 acre ranch.
714
00:34:07,321 --> 00:34:09,288
It's a somewhat twisted tale.
715
00:34:09,323 --> 00:34:11,532
The property had been
vacant for seven years
716
00:34:11,566 --> 00:34:14,431
when in 1994,
a family bought it.
717
00:34:14,466 --> 00:34:16,123
It was their dream to raise
718
00:34:16,157 --> 00:34:18,194
high end simmental cattle here
719
00:34:18,228 --> 00:34:19,367
There's only one entrance.
720
00:34:19,402 --> 00:34:22,025
A gate that displayed
an eerie sign.
721
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:24,648
A single dirt road
leads into the property
722
00:34:24,683 --> 00:34:26,616
which is made up
of three parcels.
723
00:34:26,650 --> 00:34:28,618
The first homestead
on the east side
724
00:34:28,652 --> 00:34:30,758
is where the ranch
house is located
725
00:34:30,792 --> 00:34:32,104
along with the corral.
726
00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:33,588
A second middle homestead
727
00:34:33,623 --> 00:34:35,935
contains long
abandoned buildings.
728
00:34:35,970 --> 00:34:39,698
The third homestead is ringed
by tall trees and underbrush.
729
00:34:39,732 --> 00:34:42,287
A river flows on the south side of the ranch.
730
00:34:42,321 --> 00:34:44,703
And on the north,
the sandstone ridge.
731
00:34:44,737 --> 00:34:47,050
The family of four
had a startling encounter
732
00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:48,983
on their very first
weekend there.
733
00:34:49,017 --> 00:34:50,226
From out of the brush,
734
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:52,090
on the south edge
of the property,
735
00:34:52,124 --> 00:34:54,506
they saw a huge canine
walking towards them.
736
00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:58,061
And they had put a couple
of calves in this corral here.
737
00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:00,822
And in this one here.
738
00:35:00,857 --> 00:35:03,308
And they saw this wolf
739
00:35:03,342 --> 00:35:07,588
was just trodding
across the field here.
740
00:35:08,175 --> 00:35:09,969
From this direction.
741
00:35:10,004 --> 00:35:12,040
And it stopped occasionally.
742
00:35:12,075 --> 00:35:13,870
There was a light rain.
743
00:35:13,904 --> 00:35:15,975
It was a misty kind of a day
744
00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:17,322
with light rain.
745
00:35:17,356 --> 00:35:19,151
And so they were
watching this wolf
746
00:35:19,186 --> 00:35:21,188
as it was coming towards them.
747
00:35:22,050 --> 00:35:24,984
And seemingly
kind of unconcerned.
748
00:35:25,019 --> 00:35:28,195
[narrator] The family assumed the wolf must be someone's pet.
749
00:35:28,229 --> 00:35:30,231
It was huge, but seemed tamed.
750
00:35:30,266 --> 00:35:31,336
One of the calves
751
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:33,303
made the mistake
of sticking it's snout
752
00:35:33,338 --> 00:35:34,718
through the bars of the corral.
753
00:35:34,753 --> 00:35:37,480
The wolf stuck his head
into the corral
754
00:35:37,514 --> 00:35:40,793
grabbed at the muzzle
of the calf
755
00:35:40,828 --> 00:35:45,591
in full view of these, tried
to drag it out of the corral.
756
00:35:45,626 --> 00:35:47,731
The calf, you know,
was going wild.
757
00:35:47,766 --> 00:35:53,703
So, Terry and his dad went over
with, you know, stout sticks
758
00:35:53,737 --> 00:35:57,983
and started beating on the wolf
to try to let... get it.
759
00:35:58,017 --> 00:36:00,848
Make sure that it
let go of the calf.
760
00:36:02,194 --> 00:36:05,197
Several times
they beat on the wolf
761
00:36:05,232 --> 00:36:06,819
without any affect whatsoever.
762
00:36:06,854 --> 00:36:10,961
So, Terry asked his son to go
in to get a 357 Magnum.
763
00:36:12,342 --> 00:36:15,276
The son came out.
The wolf was still dragging,
764
00:36:15,311 --> 00:36:17,796
trying to drag the calf
through the corral.
765
00:36:17,830 --> 00:36:19,591
And Terry, sort of,
766
00:36:19,625 --> 00:36:23,181
pointed the Magnum
at the animal and shot it.
767
00:36:23,215 --> 00:36:24,734
Now, as far as I remember,
768
00:36:24,768 --> 00:36:27,392
he shot it either
three or four times.
769
00:36:27,426 --> 00:36:30,464
And it was from like
increasingly close range.
770
00:36:30,498 --> 00:36:33,432
First of all,
it was from several feet
771
00:36:33,467 --> 00:36:35,054
and then it was
closer and closer.
772
00:36:35,089 --> 00:36:40,543
On the fourth shot the animal,
I believe, let the calf go.
773
00:36:40,577 --> 00:36:43,960
But the animal was... didn't...
the wolf,
774
00:36:43,994 --> 00:36:46,549
didn't let out
any yelps of pain.
775
00:36:46,583 --> 00:36:48,516
There was no sign of blood.
776
00:36:48,551 --> 00:36:51,312
There was no sign of distress.
777
00:36:51,347 --> 00:36:54,626
The animal let the calf go
and looked at Terry.
778
00:36:54,660 --> 00:36:56,904
[narrator] The rancher's son
had run to the house
779
00:36:56,938 --> 00:36:58,250
to retrieve a hunting rifle.
780
00:36:58,285 --> 00:37:00,045
He handed it to his father.
781
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:04,222
Terry gets the 30 all six which,
you know, can bring down an elk,
782
00:37:04,256 --> 00:37:07,294
you know,
from relatively long distance.
783
00:37:07,328 --> 00:37:11,367
He shot
at a distance of 20 feet.
784
00:37:11,401 --> 00:37:14,646
And this time there was
a big recoil from the animal.
785
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,131
You know, the animal,
kind of recoiled
786
00:37:17,165 --> 00:37:20,893
but still didn't give out any
pain or anything like that.
787
00:37:20,928 --> 00:37:24,656
But kind of backed off
for maybe 10 feet 15 feet.
788
00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:28,315
And Terry shot at it.
It was actually a sixth time
789
00:37:28,349 --> 00:37:30,006
with the 30 odd six.
790
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,356
And this time he saw a bunch
of flesh that the bullet exited
791
00:37:35,391 --> 00:37:37,979
from the animal with flesh.
792
00:37:38,014 --> 00:37:42,260
And this time the animal just
kind of turned on it's heel
793
00:37:42,294 --> 00:37:44,986
and just troded off.
794
00:37:45,021 --> 00:37:46,850
You know, almost casually.
795
00:37:46,885 --> 00:37:49,750
And exactly where it
had come from across
796
00:37:49,784 --> 00:37:50,751
in that direction.
797
00:37:52,339 --> 00:37:54,513
Now, you know,
798
00:37:54,548 --> 00:37:56,584
the piece of flesh
was lying on the ground
799
00:37:56,619 --> 00:37:58,966
and they examined it later.
800
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,382
[narrator] The father and son
both armed with rifles
801
00:38:01,417 --> 00:38:02,625
went after the wolf
802
00:38:02,659 --> 00:38:04,696
catching glimpses as it
moved through thickets
803
00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:07,561
and following the deep tracks
it left on the wet ground.
804
00:38:07,595 --> 00:38:09,597
Well, what they did was
they tracked the animal
805
00:38:09,632 --> 00:38:11,737
all the way across to the creek.
806
00:38:11,772 --> 00:38:13,808
There's a creek about
half a mile in that direction.
807
00:38:16,086 --> 00:38:17,260
They tracked the animal,
808
00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:18,710
you know,
they went after the animal
809
00:38:18,744 --> 00:38:21,816
and they found that it's tracks
just stopped suddenly
810
00:38:21,851 --> 00:38:23,887
in a muddy bank
right by the creek.
811
00:38:23,922 --> 00:38:28,685
It just seemed to...
The tracks went nowhere.
812
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,344
You know, they were
going to a specific area.
813
00:38:32,379 --> 00:38:35,071
They should not have vanished
but they vanished.
814
00:38:35,105 --> 00:38:36,624
But they came back then
815
00:38:36,659 --> 00:38:40,835
and they found the piece
of tissue from the animal
816
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:43,666
that had been blown off
by the 30 odd six.
817
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:48,291
And to them it looked old,
it looked almost like
818
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:53,227
the beginnings of decay,
decayed flesh.
819
00:38:53,261 --> 00:38:55,988
It blew them.
This instance blew them away
820
00:38:56,023 --> 00:38:57,990
because even a single shot
821
00:38:58,025 --> 00:38:59,267
from a 357 Magnum
822
00:38:59,302 --> 00:39:00,959
should have brought
that wolf down.
823
00:39:00,993 --> 00:39:05,619
Now, should remember
that this wolf initially
824
00:39:05,653 --> 00:39:07,206
was very friendly to them.
825
00:39:07,241 --> 00:39:09,416
It actually walked
right up to the dad
826
00:39:09,450 --> 00:39:11,556
and the dad
patted it on it's head.
827
00:39:11,590 --> 00:39:13,868
I mean, so we're not talking
about some kind of mirage.
828
00:39:13,903 --> 00:39:17,285
We're not talking about
some kind of hallucination.
829
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,149
This was a physical animal.
830
00:39:19,184 --> 00:39:21,945
He patted him.
He smelled like wet dog.
831
00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:23,464
[Knapp] Think about it,
I mean, where do you,
832
00:39:23,499 --> 00:39:25,708
how do you characterize that?
833
00:39:25,742 --> 00:39:28,676
There really is no context
to even put that in
834
00:39:28,711 --> 00:39:31,748
because it was a physical animal
835
00:39:31,783 --> 00:39:35,269
that looked like it
was flesh and blood.
836
00:39:35,303 --> 00:39:37,996
[Kelleher] They chalked it off
as being totally bizarre.
837
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:40,412
They talked about it
for weeks afterwards.
838
00:39:40,447 --> 00:39:43,346
Because this was
really the first incident
839
00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:44,485
that they had encountered
840
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,212
just after moving on the ranch.
841
00:39:47,246 --> 00:39:50,146
As I said they were just
moving into the general area.
842
00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:52,597
They were thinking about
putting furniture to the house.
843
00:39:52,631 --> 00:39:57,809
And this animal was between
two and three times the size
844
00:39:57,843 --> 00:39:58,982
of a normal wolf.
845
00:39:59,017 --> 00:40:02,330
You know normal wolf
would kind of come up to there,
846
00:40:02,365 --> 00:40:04,609
well this thing was huge.
847
00:40:04,643 --> 00:40:06,438
[narrator] Later
at the gate entrance,
848
00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:08,544
the rancher's wife
had another encounter
849
00:40:08,578 --> 00:40:10,649
with the huge wolf
as she entered the property.
850
00:40:10,684 --> 00:40:13,307
The wolf was in the company
of two black dogs
851
00:40:13,341 --> 00:40:14,860
with over sized heads.
852
00:40:14,895 --> 00:40:18,036
Months later when the family was asked to describe the wolf
853
00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:20,383
by looking at a line up
of different types,
854
00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:21,971
they pointed to this beast
855
00:40:22,005 --> 00:40:24,422
as the one closest
to what they had seen.
856
00:40:24,456 --> 00:40:25,699
It's a dire wolf.
857
00:40:25,733 --> 00:40:28,115
And it's been extinct
for 10,000 years.
858
00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:41,508
[Knapp] We live in the middle
859
00:40:41,542 --> 00:40:42,992
of some other
kind of intelligence.
860
00:40:46,340 --> 00:40:48,480
The secrecy begins with them.
861
00:40:48,515 --> 00:40:49,826
Whoever they are.
862
00:40:49,861 --> 00:40:53,968
These visitors, these entities that interject themselves
863
00:40:54,003 --> 00:40:55,211
into our lives.
864
00:41:05,808 --> 00:41:08,673
Who they are, why they're here, what their interest is in us
865
00:41:08,707 --> 00:41:10,433
long term.
We don't know the answers.
866
00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:12,539
We can surmise
but we don't know
867
00:41:12,573 --> 00:41:14,023
the answers
to any of the big stuff.
868
00:41:14,057 --> 00:41:17,682
But we can say, I can say
with certainty that
869
00:41:17,716 --> 00:41:20,823
there is some kind of intelligence operating here.
870
00:41:20,857 --> 00:41:25,137
That it shows us glimpses
of itself from time to time
871
00:41:25,172 --> 00:41:26,656
on it's own agenda.
872
00:41:26,691 --> 00:41:30,108
But it is the architect
of the secrecy.
873
00:41:30,142 --> 00:41:33,456
[Jeremy] I believe that there
are aspects of consciousness
874
00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:35,354
that associate
with the UFO phenomenon.
875
00:41:35,389 --> 00:41:38,047
That we
have not addressed fully.
876
00:41:38,081 --> 00:41:40,705
[man] The global
public is not ready
877
00:41:40,739 --> 00:41:43,397
to have global
confirmation on this.
878
00:41:43,431 --> 00:41:45,710
A lot of disturbing things
will occur.
879
00:41:45,744 --> 00:41:47,677
They are just too powerful.
880
00:41:48,851 --> 00:41:50,577
[Knapp] People have
ignored these facts.
881
00:41:50,611 --> 00:41:52,164
They like it to go away.
882
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:53,580
It's not going away.
883
00:41:53,614 --> 00:41:56,134
It's not going away
because the phenomenon itself
884
00:41:56,168 --> 00:41:57,273
doesn't go away.
885
00:41:57,307 --> 00:42:00,690
It's been with humans, every continent, every culture,
886
00:42:00,725 --> 00:42:01,967
throughout human history.
887
00:42:02,002 --> 00:42:03,728
It's here whether
we like it or not.
888
00:42:03,762 --> 00:42:05,246
And it's here today.
889
00:42:14,083 --> 00:42:15,774
[Jeremy] According
to tribal lores,
890
00:42:15,809 --> 00:42:18,881
some of the unusual events
in and around the ranch
891
00:42:18,915 --> 00:42:20,572
are believed
to be the handiwork
892
00:42:20,607 --> 00:42:24,990
of a shape-shifting entity
known as a Skinwalker.
893
00:42:25,025 --> 00:42:27,959
The Utes also believe that
lights seen on the property
894
00:42:27,993 --> 00:42:30,927
could be the spirits
of long departed ancestors
895
00:42:30,962 --> 00:42:34,137
that enter this world
from under the ground.
896
00:42:34,172 --> 00:42:37,900
But tribal members also
see the same metallic UFOs
897
00:42:37,934 --> 00:42:40,316
witnessed elsewhere
in the Basin.
898
00:42:40,350 --> 00:42:41,559
These objects
appear to be
899
00:42:41,593 --> 00:42:43,733
technological
and not spiritual.
900
00:42:44,907 --> 00:42:46,943
And the few of the encounters,
901
00:42:46,978 --> 00:42:49,118
occur right in front
of their faces.
902
00:42:55,089 --> 00:42:58,058
That morning, when I noticed,
when I did my rounds,
903
00:42:58,092 --> 00:42:59,784
I usually go out
the front door where I came.
904
00:42:59,818 --> 00:43:01,233
Then go back all
the way around the building.
905
00:43:01,268 --> 00:43:03,477
That's when this voice
appeared in my head
906
00:43:03,511 --> 00:43:04,616
and said,
"Hey, get back inside.
907
00:43:04,651 --> 00:43:05,790
You shouldn't
be seeing this."
908
00:43:05,824 --> 00:43:06,963
[alien voice] "You shouldn't
be out here.
909
00:43:06,998 --> 00:43:08,378
And you shouldn't
be seeing this."
910
00:43:08,413 --> 00:43:10,726
[Corey] "Go back inside. You're gonna miss your family."
911
00:43:12,382 --> 00:43:14,902
The hull of the ship
was like this.
912
00:43:14,937 --> 00:43:16,663
I don't know if you've
ever seen like the...
913
00:43:16,697 --> 00:43:18,078
The Star Trek enterprise.
914
00:43:18,112 --> 00:43:20,183
You know how
the round shape of that.
915
00:43:20,218 --> 00:43:24,118
It was like that.
But like a black and dark gray.
916
00:43:24,153 --> 00:43:25,741
[Jeremy] And you were
standing right here?
917
00:43:25,775 --> 00:43:30,642
No, actually,
I was standing right here.
918
00:43:30,677 --> 00:43:33,024
And we're looking out
this door here.
919
00:43:33,058 --> 00:43:35,578
We didn't see the ship
per se right there.
920
00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:36,821
But, we saw
the lights and like,
921
00:43:36,855 --> 00:43:38,270
"Okay, now what
the hell is going on?"
922
00:43:38,305 --> 00:43:41,757
So we walked out here,
me and a few more client,
923
00:43:41,791 --> 00:43:44,138
looking up here
and seeing this object
924
00:43:44,173 --> 00:43:47,072
and we're like," What?"
Then, we noticed that
925
00:43:47,107 --> 00:43:49,799
it started kinda
moving back a little bit.
926
00:43:49,834 --> 00:43:51,836
I'd say we probably got about
927
00:43:52,664 --> 00:43:55,080
close to right here
928
00:43:55,115 --> 00:43:57,980
just looking at it and you can
see it just like right there.
929
00:43:58,014 --> 00:44:01,328
And the cloud
and everything and the light
930
00:44:01,362 --> 00:44:05,884
and that was so intense and
you're just like this looking.
931
00:44:05,919 --> 00:44:07,679
And then I was talking to Herb
932
00:44:07,714 --> 00:44:09,508
and I was being like,
"Hey, that's a UFO.
933
00:44:09,543 --> 00:44:10,958
That's a fucking UFO."
934
00:44:10,993 --> 00:44:13,340
And I remember swearing
at the time too.
935
00:44:13,374 --> 00:44:15,791
Now, we're standing and looking
and I was looking like this
936
00:44:15,825 --> 00:44:18,448
and, you know, something just
going in through my head saying,
937
00:44:18,483 --> 00:44:21,486
"Hey, you shouldn't be out here.
You shouldn't be seeing this."
938
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,522
You know, and I was like,
"Oh, shoot."
939
00:44:23,557 --> 00:44:25,076
And I was like, "Hey lets
go back inside."
940
00:44:25,110 --> 00:44:27,734
So we started going back in
and we were looking still.
941
00:44:27,768 --> 00:44:28,942
That's why I said,
942
00:44:28,976 --> 00:44:30,875
I wish people could have
been awake at the time.
943
00:44:30,909 --> 00:44:33,601
During that Sunday morning
to see what I saw.
944
00:44:33,636 --> 00:44:36,777
And I had people that seen it
all the way up to Right rocks,
945
00:44:36,812 --> 00:44:38,606
all the way down
towards Fort Connor,
946
00:44:38,641 --> 00:44:39,538
Randlett,
947
00:44:39,573 --> 00:44:40,885
that were up at that time.
948
00:44:40,919 --> 00:44:42,852
And those that
were here, you know,
949
00:44:42,887 --> 00:44:46,166
had that feeling like
everything was dead silent.
950
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,893
There was just
an eerie quiet silence.
951
00:44:48,927 --> 00:44:52,068
No dogs were barking,
no noise or anything like that.
952
00:44:52,103 --> 00:44:55,071
And people at the store
during the time of the blackout,
953
00:44:55,106 --> 00:44:57,315
they opened
the doors just to see
954
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:59,248
and they could see the colors.
955
00:44:59,282 --> 00:45:00,698
[alien voice]
"Hey, get back inside.
956
00:45:00,732 --> 00:45:02,009
You shouldn't be seeing this.
957
00:45:02,044 --> 00:45:04,218
Go back inside. You're gonna
miss you're family."
958
00:45:05,426 --> 00:45:07,221
I kind of stopped in my tracks
959
00:45:07,256 --> 00:45:10,155
and I was like, well, you know,
thinking in my head,
960
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:12,019
"Fuck this shit.
I'm gonna go back inside."
961
00:45:12,054 --> 00:45:14,056
I ain't gonna get abducted.
962
00:45:14,090 --> 00:45:15,782
So, you're standing there.
Where did it leave?
963
00:45:15,816 --> 00:45:16,921
When you went back in,
964
00:45:16,955 --> 00:45:18,060
was it still here
when you went back in?
965
00:45:18,094 --> 00:45:20,787
Yeah, it was slowly
moving back that way
966
00:45:20,821 --> 00:45:22,754
and just making
it's way towards the south.
967
00:45:22,789 --> 00:45:24,169
And then I got back in,
968
00:45:24,204 --> 00:45:26,102
and then right
when we got inside,
969
00:45:26,137 --> 00:45:29,865
that's when
the female house manager said,
970
00:45:29,899 --> 00:45:32,764
"Hey, look." And that's when
I was right outside like this.
971
00:45:32,799 --> 00:45:35,042
Just like this. Looked outside
through the window
972
00:45:35,077 --> 00:45:37,527
and there's this flash [swoosh]
That's it.
973
00:45:37,562 --> 00:45:38,874
Lights out.
974
00:45:38,908 --> 00:45:40,496
Just like a light switch.
It's lights off.
[clicks]
975
00:45:40,530 --> 00:45:42,015
[Corey] It gives me the chills
976
00:45:42,049 --> 00:45:44,914
and I just don't...
It's just stuck in my head.
977
00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:48,297
I mean it wasn't
a very big ship
978
00:45:49,298 --> 00:45:52,508
but it was big enough
I guess you could say.
979
00:45:52,542 --> 00:45:54,752
It was pretty close though.
980
00:45:54,786 --> 00:45:57,409
It was too close for comfort.
981
00:46:09,111 --> 00:46:11,044
[narrator] The incident
with the bullet proof wolf
982
00:46:11,078 --> 00:46:13,149
was only the beginning
for the ranch family.
983
00:46:13,184 --> 00:46:16,463
During their mind-numbing
20 months on the property,
984
00:46:16,497 --> 00:46:17,567
the ranch morphed
985
00:46:17,602 --> 00:46:19,638
from a seemingly
idyllic setting
986
00:46:19,673 --> 00:46:22,572
into a mental and emotional torture chamber.
987
00:46:22,607 --> 00:46:24,091
Why, the rancher wondered,
988
00:46:24,126 --> 00:46:27,060
that the previous owner
insist on being notified
989
00:46:27,094 --> 00:46:29,959
before any digging
was done on the land.
990
00:46:29,994 --> 00:46:31,478
Soon enough, he understood.
991
00:46:31,512 --> 00:46:33,825
At different times
of the day and night,
992
00:46:33,860 --> 00:46:36,103
the family felt
the ground shake.
993
00:46:36,138 --> 00:46:39,486
And heard the sound of metal
on metal coming from below.
994
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,524
As if a steel mill or rail road operated under their feet.
995
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,082
And there was clear evidence
from what they felt
996
00:46:49,116 --> 00:46:52,395
was that there was some kind of,
a lot of machinery,
997
00:46:52,430 --> 00:46:55,502
noises of machinery,
noises of technology,
998
00:46:55,536 --> 00:46:58,643
that seemed to come
from either underground
999
00:46:58,677 --> 00:47:00,369
or deep in the ridge.
1000
00:47:00,403 --> 00:47:02,992
Just to the north of here.
1001
00:47:03,027 --> 00:47:08,929
They also found that anytime
there was a disturbance,
1002
00:47:08,964 --> 00:47:11,725
for example, sometimes
they dynamited tree stumps
1003
00:47:11,759 --> 00:47:13,140
from the ground.
1004
00:47:13,175 --> 00:47:18,214
They noticed that there was
a big increase in the activity
1005
00:47:18,249 --> 00:47:20,838
immediately following
dynamiting these stumps.
1006
00:47:20,872 --> 00:47:23,771
In other words,
large holes in the ground.
1007
00:47:23,806 --> 00:47:25,635
They couldn't figure out why.
1008
00:47:27,189 --> 00:47:29,881
[narrator] On some nights large sections of the pasture
1009
00:47:29,916 --> 00:47:31,089
would light up,
illuminated
1010
00:47:31,124 --> 00:47:33,436
by an unknown
source in the sky.
1011
00:47:33,471 --> 00:47:36,577
Other times, the family
witnessed beams of light
1012
00:47:36,612 --> 00:47:37,820
shoot out of the ground.
1013
00:47:37,855 --> 00:47:40,443
Vehicles would stall,
batteries would die
1014
00:47:40,478 --> 00:47:43,412
while crossing particular
points on the property.
1015
00:47:43,446 --> 00:47:45,863
Equipment would
vanish into thin air.
1016
00:47:45,897 --> 00:47:48,900
On a few nights, family members heard mocking voices
1017
00:47:48,935 --> 00:47:50,315
speaking an unknown language
1018
00:47:50,350 --> 00:47:52,731
seemingly emanating
from the sky
1019
00:47:52,766 --> 00:47:54,975
a few feet above their heads.
1020
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:57,840
So many of the events
on the ranch were palpable
1021
00:47:57,875 --> 00:47:58,806
but fleeting.
1022
00:47:58,841 --> 00:47:59,911
It meant the credibility
1023
00:47:59,946 --> 00:48:01,706
of the rancher
and other witnesses
1024
00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:03,604
would eventually be evaluated.
1025
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:05,848
He was a expert marksman,
1026
00:48:05,883 --> 00:48:09,093
tracker, hunter, horseman,
1027
00:48:09,127 --> 00:48:14,581
cattle breeder and he
didn't really touch farming
1028
00:48:14,615 --> 00:48:17,618
but he had a college education
and degrees and certifications
1029
00:48:17,653 --> 00:48:21,622
that, I believe, attested
to the fact that he had a lot
1030
00:48:21,657 --> 00:48:25,385
of tidy technical training
in animal husbandry.
1031
00:48:25,419 --> 00:48:28,526
So he was scientifically astute
to some extent.
1032
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,115
[narrator] Eric Davis
is a PhD physicist
1033
00:48:31,149 --> 00:48:33,738
who would later spend
four years on the ranch.
1034
00:48:33,772 --> 00:48:36,051
Just part of a wide-ranging investigation
1035
00:48:36,085 --> 00:48:37,915
looking not only
at the property
1036
00:48:37,949 --> 00:48:39,261
and the events
that occurred
1037
00:48:39,295 --> 00:48:42,126
but also conducting
extensive background checks
1038
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,956
into the family, their history, their neighbors.
1039
00:48:44,991 --> 00:48:46,613
[Knapp] He is not
the only witness.
1040
00:48:46,647 --> 00:48:47,579
This has been going on.
1041
00:48:47,614 --> 00:48:49,064
Not only the Indians
have been seeing it
1042
00:48:49,098 --> 00:48:49,996
but a lot of people.
1043
00:48:50,030 --> 00:48:51,342
Right. It wasn't just him.
1044
00:48:51,376 --> 00:48:54,207
It was his wife,
his two children, his neighbors.
1045
00:48:54,241 --> 00:48:59,177
The whole Uintah valley
has a 50 year history
1046
00:48:59,212 --> 00:49:02,042
of phenomenon that
the Mormon community
1047
00:49:02,077 --> 00:49:04,251
and all the other non-Mormon
members of the community
1048
00:49:04,286 --> 00:49:07,599
have been experiencing
since the 1950s.
1049
00:49:07,634 --> 00:49:10,671
This includes County Woods
supervisor members,
1050
00:49:10,706 --> 00:49:14,848
judges, the sheriffs
of the various county
Sheriff Departments.
1051
00:49:14,882 --> 00:49:16,263
[Knapp] Tell me
about the rancher.
1052
00:49:16,298 --> 00:49:18,024
When you came up here,
you got to know him.
1053
00:49:18,058 --> 00:49:20,095
You had beers and barbecues.
1054
00:49:20,129 --> 00:49:21,855
Excellent, excellent.
1055
00:49:21,889 --> 00:49:25,963
At first, you thought maybe
this guy is off his rocker.
1056
00:49:27,309 --> 00:49:30,553
Well, because due
to the fact that
1057
00:49:30,588 --> 00:49:32,659
480 acre parcel
1058
00:49:32,693 --> 00:49:35,420
of paranormal Disneyland
down there
1059
00:49:35,455 --> 00:49:39,183
had so much phenomena
experienced by him
and his family.
1060
00:49:40,218 --> 00:49:44,395
You know,
different aspects of it.
The mutilations,
1061
00:49:44,429 --> 00:49:47,053
the opening up of the sky,
the holes in the sky,
1062
00:49:47,087 --> 00:49:50,125
to the different craft
to the poltergeist
1063
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:51,919
to the different entities
1064
00:49:51,954 --> 00:49:55,026
including UFOs on the ground,
1065
00:49:55,061 --> 00:49:58,236
voices in the air and so on
and so on and so on,
1066
00:49:58,271 --> 00:50:02,896
I thought this is...
There was just too much
expression here.
1067
00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:06,313
I had some doubts there
1068
00:50:06,348 --> 00:50:08,281
upon visiting
with him the first time.
1069
00:50:08,315 --> 00:50:11,456
[narrator] Ryan Layton
has chased Uintah UFO story
1070
00:50:11,491 --> 00:50:12,561
since the '80s.
1071
00:50:12,595 --> 00:50:15,046
He introduced himself to the rancher whose real name
1072
00:50:15,081 --> 00:50:16,875
has been reported elsewhere.
1073
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:18,291
We'll call him Tom Gorman.
1074
00:50:18,325 --> 00:50:19,430
[Knapp] When did you
come to believe
1075
00:50:19,464 --> 00:50:21,984
about his truthfulness,
his character.
1076
00:50:22,019 --> 00:50:24,469
I believed he was
being extremely truthful
1077
00:50:24,504 --> 00:50:28,232
and I think his character
is outstanding.
1078
00:50:28,266 --> 00:50:33,168
And I could see that he was,
indeed, affected emotionally.
1079
00:50:33,202 --> 00:50:36,619
As you know, he was
also angered because of it.
1080
00:50:36,654 --> 00:50:41,245
This wasn't a joyful thing
for him, as you know.
1081
00:50:41,279 --> 00:50:43,695
[narrator] Layton visited
Gorman on the ranch
four times
1082
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:47,147
and was told about many but
not all of the bizarre things
1083
00:50:47,182 --> 00:50:48,528
that were still unfolding.
1084
00:50:48,562 --> 00:50:51,289
One incident was
distinctly physical.
1085
00:50:51,324 --> 00:50:53,360
It happened
in the third homestead.
1086
00:50:53,395 --> 00:50:56,294
Someone dug large dibbits
into the pasture.
1087
00:50:56,329 --> 00:50:59,746
A photo was included
in the 1996 newspaper story.
1088
00:50:59,780 --> 00:51:04,337
The scoop marks were just
an oddity in the pasture there.
1089
00:51:04,371 --> 00:51:07,547
Some were three
to four feet in diameter.
1090
00:51:07,581 --> 00:51:11,102
And there were scoop...
dozens of them in there.
1091
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:14,140
Not a natural type
of occurrence.
1092
00:51:14,174 --> 00:51:16,003
[narrator] During one
of our visits, Colm Kelleher
1093
00:51:16,038 --> 00:51:17,488
showed us where it happened.
1094
00:51:17,522 --> 00:51:20,353
Each of the scoops would have weighed hundreds of pounds
1095
00:51:20,387 --> 00:51:22,182
meaning some kind
of heavy equipment
1096
00:51:22,217 --> 00:51:23,563
would have been needed.
1097
00:51:23,597 --> 00:51:26,048
But how did it occur
without the rancher noticing?
1098
00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:29,500
The rancher came out one morning
1099
00:51:29,534 --> 00:51:32,192
and was checking down
in this area with his cattle.
1100
00:51:32,227 --> 00:51:34,367
He noticed this scoop mark here
1101
00:51:34,401 --> 00:51:36,886
and another one just down here.
1102
00:51:36,921 --> 00:51:38,647
And a third one
further down here.
1103
00:51:38,681 --> 00:51:42,271
Well, they'd have to take down
a series of gates for one
1104
00:51:42,306 --> 00:51:47,207
and [stutters] what would
be the reasoning
1105
00:51:47,242 --> 00:51:50,590
for taking such a large
massive soil sampling
1106
00:51:50,624 --> 00:51:52,799
out of that particular
section of that...
1107
00:51:52,833 --> 00:51:56,423
I mean, what is to be gained
by scooping out dozens of
1108
00:51:56,458 --> 00:51:59,323
odd scoop marks in the pasture?
1109
00:51:59,357 --> 00:52:01,946
[narrator] That incident came in the middle of a wild period
1110
00:52:01,980 --> 00:52:03,154
for the family.
1111
00:52:03,189 --> 00:52:05,156
From the first day they
moved on to the ranch,
1112
00:52:05,191 --> 00:52:06,916
they felt like they
were being watched.
1113
00:52:06,951 --> 00:52:09,988
At night, they would hear
the sounds of heavy footsteps
1114
00:52:10,023 --> 00:52:11,162
outside their windows
1115
00:52:11,197 --> 00:52:12,577
and would see the outlines
1116
00:52:12,612 --> 00:52:15,477
of black faceless
figures peering in.
1117
00:52:15,511 --> 00:52:19,170
Eventually, the footsteps and the figures entered the house.
1118
00:52:19,205 --> 00:52:21,276
There were dozens
of unexplained events.
1119
00:52:21,310 --> 00:52:23,968
Locked doors would
open and slam shut.
1120
00:52:24,002 --> 00:52:27,385
Objects would vanish
then reappear somewhere else.
1121
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:29,318
The Utes might
describe all this
1122
00:52:29,353 --> 00:52:30,837
as the work of a trickster.
1123
00:52:30,871 --> 00:52:33,322
We would more
likely call it a poltergeist.
1124
00:52:33,357 --> 00:52:35,876
Eventually, the family would
help investigators
1125
00:52:35,911 --> 00:52:38,845
to compile this list
of incidents they remembered.
1126
00:52:38,879 --> 00:52:41,399
Three young men
including the rancher's son
1127
00:52:41,434 --> 00:52:44,885
spent four hours moving
a pile of heavy corral poles
1128
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,439
to a spot near the canal.
1129
00:52:46,473 --> 00:52:49,200
Later in the day, the entire
pile had been moved
1130
00:52:49,235 --> 00:52:50,926
back to its original spot.
1131
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,583
But just an inch off.
1132
00:52:52,617 --> 00:52:55,310
In another instance,
a ton of port wood
1133
00:52:55,344 --> 00:52:57,415
stacked on one side of a field
1134
00:52:57,450 --> 00:52:59,831
somehow appeared on the other side of the field
1135
00:52:59,866 --> 00:53:01,730
in a space of about 30 minutes.
1136
00:53:01,764 --> 00:53:05,078
Tools, pliers, gloves,
even a chainsaw
1137
00:53:05,112 --> 00:53:06,735
vanished while being used.
1138
00:53:06,769 --> 00:53:09,841
The chainsaw reappeared
a hundred yards away.
1139
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,604
A post hole digger
vanished from a field
1140
00:53:13,638 --> 00:53:15,778
during the rancher's
brief lunch break.
1141
00:53:15,813 --> 00:53:17,401
After he bought a new digger,
1142
00:53:17,435 --> 00:53:20,058
the next day,
the first one reappeared
1143
00:53:20,093 --> 00:53:22,406
delicately balanced
up in a tree.
1144
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,478
The rancher placed a new flea collar on his dog's neck.
1145
00:53:25,512 --> 00:53:27,480
It disappeared within a day.
1146
00:53:27,514 --> 00:53:30,655
Twenty four hours later,
it was back on the dog.
1147
00:53:30,690 --> 00:53:32,588
Kitchen utensils
would go missing
1148
00:53:32,623 --> 00:53:35,177
while the rancher's wife
was cooking meals.
1149
00:53:35,212 --> 00:53:36,868
And would later
turn up in the fridge,
1150
00:53:36,903 --> 00:53:38,318
or freezer, or microwave.
1151
00:53:38,353 --> 00:53:40,217
The wife would
lock the bathroom
1152
00:53:40,251 --> 00:53:41,839
door when she
took a shower.
1153
00:53:41,873 --> 00:53:43,150
When she got out of the shower,
1154
00:53:43,185 --> 00:53:45,360
her towel
and hairbrush were gone
1155
00:53:45,394 --> 00:53:47,431
though the door
was still locked.
1156
00:53:47,465 --> 00:53:50,123
Weeks worth of groceries
would be unpacked
1157
00:53:50,157 --> 00:53:51,504
and put away in cupboards.
1158
00:53:51,538 --> 00:53:54,679
Minutes later the groceries were back in the shopping bags.
1159
00:53:54,714 --> 00:53:56,785
Ryan Layton was
present on the ranch
1160
00:53:56,819 --> 00:53:59,028
while some of the incidents
were still happening.
1161
00:53:59,063 --> 00:54:02,204
[Knapp] Did Terry ever describe
to you seeing the beings
1162
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,447
and things of that sort?
1163
00:54:03,481 --> 00:54:06,415
Or any of the poltergeist
trickery kinda things.
1164
00:54:06,450 --> 00:54:08,762
Yes, he did describe some
of the trickery things.
1165
00:54:08,797 --> 00:54:10,281
[Knapp] What did he
tell you about it?
1166
00:54:10,316 --> 00:54:14,009
Oh, particularly his fence post,
1167
00:54:14,043 --> 00:54:16,322
-His, um,
-Post hole digger?
1168
00:54:16,356 --> 00:54:17,737
Post hole digger, yes,
1169
00:54:17,771 --> 00:54:22,328
where he looked long and far
became extremely frustrated,
1170
00:54:22,362 --> 00:54:26,815
looked for it and there it was
Approximately to 40 feet
up the tree
1171
00:54:26,849 --> 00:54:28,368
a couple of days later.
1172
00:54:28,403 --> 00:54:30,474
-[Knapp] Things in the house--
-[Layton] Yeah, things
in the house would
1173
00:54:30,508 --> 00:54:33,131
move around and also I do
remember the story about,
1174
00:54:33,166 --> 00:54:34,581
which stands out in my mind,
1175
00:54:34,616 --> 00:54:38,689
or when you mention
the poltergeist activity.
1176
00:54:38,723 --> 00:54:42,037
His son... I should tell you
the high strangeness
1177
00:54:42,071 --> 00:54:43,452
of this type of objects,
1178
00:54:45,489 --> 00:54:50,356
His son had cut,
with some friends,
a cord or two of wood,
1179
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:51,667
and placed it in some distance.
1180
00:54:51,702 --> 00:54:54,532
Maybe a hundred yards
away from the location
1181
00:54:54,567 --> 00:54:56,603
and it had been moved.
1182
00:54:56,638 --> 00:54:58,364
He came in to get
a drink of water
1183
00:54:58,398 --> 00:54:59,399
and it was moved.
1184
00:54:59,434 --> 00:55:00,849
[Knapp] The whole
quarter of wood?
1185
00:55:00,883 --> 00:55:04,646
Yeah, the whole quarter wood,
you know, in just a few moments.
1186
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,890
I believe it was
about a hundred yard distance
1187
00:55:07,925 --> 00:55:09,996
or something of that nature.
1188
00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:12,136
[narrator] Junior Hicks,
the science teacher,
1189
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:14,483
who investigated
UFO cases said,
1190
00:55:14,518 --> 00:55:18,280
"These trickster incidents were common among other witnesses
1191
00:55:18,315 --> 00:55:19,971
who'd encountered UFOs.
1192
00:55:20,006 --> 00:55:22,698
But it often took a long time
for them to open up
1193
00:55:22,733 --> 00:55:24,942
about their
unusual experiences."
1194
00:55:26,253 --> 00:55:27,565
The family needed help.
1195
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:28,980
And help was on its way.
1196
00:55:35,470 --> 00:55:37,230
[Jeremy] Bob Bigelow
is one of the most
1197
00:55:37,264 --> 00:55:38,887
enigmatic individuals
1198
00:55:38,921 --> 00:55:40,509
that we hear about.
1199
00:55:40,544 --> 00:55:42,339
The guys got two private
1200
00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:45,307
orbiting space stations
for study.
1201
00:55:45,342 --> 00:55:48,931
He's an individual connected
through government contracts.
1202
00:55:50,381 --> 00:55:52,141
Skinwalker ranch,
he's allowed you
1203
00:55:52,176 --> 00:55:54,109
to be there a number of times.
1204
00:55:54,143 --> 00:55:56,663
He's really let you in.
1205
00:55:56,698 --> 00:56:00,218
Bob Bigelow is probably
the most misunderstood person
1206
00:56:00,253 --> 00:56:02,359
in the entire field of ufology.
1207
00:56:02,393 --> 00:56:03,912
He's not an ufologist.
1208
00:56:03,946 --> 00:56:05,465
He's a wealthy businessman
1209
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:07,778
who happens to have
an interest in the topic.
1210
00:56:07,812 --> 00:56:11,333
He has spent more money
trying to pursue UFO truth,
1211
00:56:11,368 --> 00:56:14,819
than any person
in the history of the world.
1212
00:56:14,854 --> 00:56:16,614
[Jeremy] What is Bigelow's
end game?
1213
00:56:16,649 --> 00:56:18,444
What is his curiosity?
1214
00:56:18,478 --> 00:56:20,860
What is his interest?
Why is he doing this?
1215
00:56:21,619 --> 00:56:23,241
The interest is personal.
1216
00:56:23,276 --> 00:56:25,105
It comes
from family experiences.
1217
00:56:25,140 --> 00:56:27,763
It's what got him hungry
about the topic to begin with.
1218
00:56:27,798 --> 00:56:31,836
People have this craziest
ideas about Bob Bigelow.
1219
00:56:31,871 --> 00:56:33,769
I've seen
the descriptions of him.
1220
00:56:33,804 --> 00:56:37,255
He's shadowy,
he has a drug business,
1221
00:56:37,290 --> 00:56:39,741
he is in the tea business,
1222
00:56:39,775 --> 00:56:42,502
he is a gun runner,
he is a casino owner.
1223
00:56:43,089 --> 00:56:44,608
Crazy stuff.
1224
00:56:44,642 --> 00:56:47,127
He's only interested in this
1225
00:56:47,162 --> 00:56:49,336
so he can capture the technology
1226
00:56:49,371 --> 00:56:50,924
and build his own spacecraft
1227
00:56:50,959 --> 00:56:53,789
and take the elite
off this planet.
1228
00:56:53,824 --> 00:56:57,517
All he's done
is give his resources
1229
00:56:57,552 --> 00:56:58,898
to trying to find out
what's going on.
1230
00:56:58,932 --> 00:57:01,279
You know, for example,
he gave a million dollars
1231
00:57:01,314 --> 00:57:02,488
to the UFO organizations
1232
00:57:02,522 --> 00:57:04,766
and told them,
"Here's a million dollars.
1233
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,146
You don't have any resources,
1234
00:57:06,181 --> 00:57:08,494
you're always bitching
about not having any money,
1235
00:57:08,528 --> 00:57:09,598
here's a million bucks."
1236
00:57:09,633 --> 00:57:11,669
You just gotta find
a way to get along
1237
00:57:11,704 --> 00:57:14,776
and divvy it up and make
sure it goes to actual research.
1238
00:57:14,810 --> 00:57:17,710
Of course, they fucked it up.
They fucked it up.
1239
00:57:17,744 --> 00:57:19,746
Cause they couldn't get along.
1240
00:57:19,781 --> 00:57:21,886
He said, "I wanna establish
a training program
1241
00:57:21,921 --> 00:57:25,476
where we have a strike force kind of a rapid response team.
1242
00:57:25,511 --> 00:57:27,513
So, when you got a UFO flap,
1243
00:57:27,547 --> 00:57:28,928
you've got a big case,
1244
00:57:28,962 --> 00:57:31,758
you can, you got the money
to jump on a plane,
1245
00:57:31,793 --> 00:57:34,830
send some people there,
have boots on the ground
and investigate it.
1246
00:57:34,865 --> 00:57:37,350
And of course
he was pilloried for it.
1247
00:57:37,384 --> 00:57:38,972
[Knapp] He created NIDS.
1248
00:57:39,007 --> 00:57:41,147
National Institute
for Discovery Science.
1249
00:57:41,181 --> 00:57:43,529
He was so disgusted by
1250
00:57:43,563 --> 00:57:46,808
MUFON, by the UFO organizations
1251
00:57:46,842 --> 00:57:48,326
and their lack of progress,
1252
00:57:48,361 --> 00:57:49,949
he created his own
UFO organization.
1253
00:57:49,983 --> 00:57:53,297
There's never been
a gathering of great minds
1254
00:57:53,331 --> 00:57:54,816
as great as these
1255
00:57:54,850 --> 00:57:58,371
in one pursuit of UFO truth
1256
00:57:58,405 --> 00:57:59,579
in the history of the world.
1257
00:57:59,614 --> 00:58:02,548
This board that he put together,
1258
00:58:02,582 --> 00:58:06,034
the make up of this board,
some of their names
1259
00:58:06,068 --> 00:58:07,069
still are not public.
1260
00:58:07,104 --> 00:58:10,728
They don't want it
to hurt their careers
1261
00:58:10,763 --> 00:58:12,661
But, man, it's an amazing
group of people.
1262
00:58:12,696 --> 00:58:14,007
And I've been there.
1263
00:58:14,042 --> 00:58:15,733
And they don't come in
with an agenda.
1264
00:58:15,768 --> 00:58:19,496
They weren't there to create
their own flying saucer fleet.
1265
00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:20,704
The idea was
1266
00:58:20,738 --> 00:58:23,707
they devout their time,
their own time,
1267
00:58:23,741 --> 00:58:25,329
to pursuing the UFO truth.
1268
00:58:25,363 --> 00:58:26,503
Because they thought
1269
00:58:26,537 --> 00:58:28,228
there's something important
going on here.
1270
00:58:28,263 --> 00:58:31,024
It's worth spending our time
1271
00:58:31,059 --> 00:58:32,992
to pursue this.
1272
00:58:33,026 --> 00:58:35,512
And they gave a lot.
1273
00:58:35,546 --> 00:58:36,685
Volunteered a lot.
1274
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,067
And no one gave
more than Bigelow.
1275
00:58:39,101 --> 00:58:41,621
And no one has been
beaten up more than Bigelow
1276
00:58:41,656 --> 00:58:42,553
because of it.
1277
00:58:42,588 --> 00:58:44,279
It's ridiculous.
1278
00:58:44,313 --> 00:58:46,799
[Jeremy] Is there something
that has shaken Bigelow?
1279
00:58:46,833 --> 00:58:49,491
Or shaken you about the ranch?
1280
00:58:49,526 --> 00:58:53,150
Bob's interest in the ranch was
primarily an interest in UFOs.
1281
00:58:53,184 --> 00:58:54,427
He bought the place
1282
00:58:54,461 --> 00:58:57,603
because people
had been seeing UFOs.
1283
00:58:57,637 --> 00:59:00,640
You know, the flying saucers,
traditional UFO stuff.
1284
00:59:00,675 --> 00:59:01,883
That was his interest.
1285
00:59:01,917 --> 00:59:03,712
But, of course, as he learned,
1286
00:59:03,747 --> 00:59:05,507
as he and his team learned,
1287
00:59:05,542 --> 00:59:07,233
there's a lot more
to it than that.
1288
00:59:07,267 --> 00:59:10,547
They had no idea
what they were getting I think.
1289
00:59:10,581 --> 00:59:11,720
When they bought the place,
1290
00:59:11,755 --> 00:59:13,653
they heard bits and pieces,
here and there.
1291
00:59:13,688 --> 00:59:16,173
They interviewed the family
and heard these stories
1292
00:59:16,207 --> 00:59:19,590
But, I don't think,
they could possibly imagine
1293
00:59:19,625 --> 00:59:20,867
how far it would go.
1294
00:59:20,902 --> 00:59:23,732
Have there been experiences
there that have shaken
1295
00:59:23,767 --> 00:59:25,216
the people involved?
1296
00:59:25,251 --> 00:59:26,355
Absolutely.
1297
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:28,944
And I think Bob Bigelow
would be included in that.
1298
00:59:30,014 --> 00:59:31,257
I can't tell you.
1299
00:59:31,291 --> 00:59:32,741
I can't tell you what it is
1300
00:59:32,776 --> 00:59:34,709
but I can tell you, he's had,
1301
00:59:34,743 --> 00:59:38,264
he's had some dramatic episodes
1302
00:59:38,298 --> 00:59:40,922
that have convinced him
that something is real.
1303
00:59:40,956 --> 00:59:44,753
And his team has
had those episodes.
1304
00:59:44,788 --> 00:59:47,273
I mean, these are
PhD level guys
1305
00:59:48,067 --> 00:59:48,964
who have worked for
1306
00:59:48,999 --> 00:59:52,278
every three letter agency
you can imagine.
1307
00:59:52,312 --> 00:59:54,936
Who are there because
they wanna know what's going on.
1308
00:59:54,970 --> 00:59:58,249
They've worked for the Pentagon,
and CIA, and other agencies,
1309
00:59:58,284 --> 00:59:59,630
and in scientific think-tanks.
1310
00:59:59,665 --> 01:00:02,460
Bright, PhD level people
1311
01:00:02,495 --> 01:00:04,497
who are there
investigating this mystery
1312
01:00:04,531 --> 01:00:06,016
and it has scared
the shit out of them.
1313
01:00:06,050 --> 01:00:08,570
I mean, it's confronted
them directly.
1314
01:00:08,605 --> 01:00:11,021
It's one thing
to be reading about UFOs
1315
01:00:11,055 --> 01:00:15,335
or other realities
or interdimensionals in a book.
1316
01:00:15,370 --> 01:00:16,440
It's another thing,
1317
01:00:16,474 --> 01:00:18,131
to be staring at it
right in the face
1318
01:00:18,166 --> 01:00:20,893
and for it to be communicating
with you and telling you,
1319
01:00:20,927 --> 01:00:22,411
"Get out. You're not welcome."
1320
01:00:22,446 --> 01:00:23,620
And that's happened there.
1321
01:00:28,452 --> 01:00:31,006
[Jeremy] In 1978,
a local newspaper
1322
01:00:31,041 --> 01:00:33,906
reported high activity
in the Uintah Basin.
1323
01:00:33,940 --> 01:00:37,150
Silver dome shaped
objects were seen.
1324
01:00:37,185 --> 01:00:38,876
Flying saucers.
1325
01:00:38,911 --> 01:00:41,430
Some witnesses
observing the display
1326
01:00:41,465 --> 01:00:43,260
from close proximity.
1327
01:00:43,294 --> 01:00:45,400
From underneath the craft.
1328
01:00:45,434 --> 01:00:47,678
UFOs were buzzing the locals
1329
01:00:47,713 --> 01:00:50,439
with jagged
green lights like fire.
1330
01:00:56,687 --> 01:00:58,551
Nothing really changes.
1331
01:00:58,585 --> 01:00:59,725
It's constant.
1332
01:00:59,759 --> 01:01:01,796
The phenomenon
is engaging people.
1333
01:01:01,830 --> 01:01:03,970
It's a pattern
of close encounters.
1334
01:01:04,626 --> 01:01:06,248
It's commonplace.
1335
01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:13,359
People hunt because scientists investigate the carnage.
1336
01:01:13,393 --> 01:01:16,327
The NIDS team tried
to quantify the performances.
1337
01:01:25,958 --> 01:01:28,650
They created controlled
studies for plant growth.
1338
01:01:28,685 --> 01:01:30,756
They monitored the environment.
1339
01:01:30,790 --> 01:01:32,930
They calculated
the barrier rules.
1340
01:01:34,656 --> 01:01:36,762
They analyzed every event.
1341
01:01:37,624 --> 01:01:39,074
But mostly, they waited
1342
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:42,043
for the phenomenon
to express itself.
1343
01:01:42,077 --> 01:01:44,355
And the phenomenon
seemed to toy with them.
1344
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:46,530
To play games with them.
1345
01:01:46,564 --> 01:01:50,637
Silence followed
by dramatic displays
of control.
1346
01:01:50,672 --> 01:01:51,846
It did what it wanted.
1347
01:01:54,331 --> 01:01:55,470
It does what it wants
1348
01:01:57,783 --> 01:01:59,198
to anybody.
1349
01:02:04,651 --> 01:02:08,000
-[Jeremy] What's your name?
-My name is Janice Poowegup.
1350
01:02:08,034 --> 01:02:11,313
And where do you live
in relation to Skinwalker ranch?
1351
01:02:11,348 --> 01:02:14,627
[Janice] I just live
west of Skinwalker ranch.
1352
01:02:14,661 --> 01:02:16,905
[Jeremy] What was
that exact moment
1353
01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:19,770
when you transitioned
from being skeptical
1354
01:02:19,805 --> 01:02:22,221
and a non-believer
to being a believer?
1355
01:02:22,255 --> 01:02:24,223
[man] Yeah. Describe
the incident itself.
1356
01:02:24,257 --> 01:02:28,779
The four Heifers were in
the north field and I could
hear them bellowing
1357
01:02:28,814 --> 01:02:30,574
But we couldn't figure out
where they were.
1358
01:02:30,608 --> 01:02:31,782
My bright idea was,
1359
01:02:31,817 --> 01:02:33,888
well, let's get the spotlight...
At nighttime,
1360
01:02:33,922 --> 01:02:35,165
let's get that spotlight
1361
01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:38,962
and we'll go
through the tree line like this.
1362
01:02:38,996 --> 01:02:40,446
You have to see eyes.
1363
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,726
That'll give us a general idea
of where they're at at night,
1364
01:02:44,761 --> 01:02:46,797
so we can set up panels
1365
01:02:46,832 --> 01:02:48,903
and run them back over
to the house.
1366
01:02:49,835 --> 01:02:51,871
So we're going...
They were bellowing,
1367
01:02:51,906 --> 01:02:53,114
but I could see nothing.
1368
01:02:53,148 --> 01:02:55,254
So I turned it on,
I said, okay, let's listen.
1369
01:02:55,288 --> 01:02:57,808
When I went let's listen,
that's when that light
1370
01:02:57,843 --> 01:02:59,741
it came clear from the sky.
1371
01:02:59,776 --> 01:03:02,675
And then hit,
like this.
1372
01:03:02,709 --> 01:03:04,159
And it lit up the whole truck.
1373
01:03:04,194 --> 01:03:06,610
[Interviewer 1]
And it physically
hit you, the light?
1374
01:03:06,644 --> 01:03:10,545
Yeah, it literally
came down in,
1375
01:03:10,579 --> 01:03:11,995
and lit up everything.
1376
01:03:12,029 --> 01:03:14,860
I was like, "Wait a minute."
1377
01:03:14,894 --> 01:03:17,794
And I turned back, and I said,
"That's not possible.
1378
01:03:17,828 --> 01:03:19,865
That is not possible."
1379
01:03:19,899 --> 01:03:22,902
And that's when
I started, like,
1380
01:03:22,937 --> 01:03:24,870
"Something's here,
and it's real."
1381
01:03:25,698 --> 01:03:27,286
And I just got
a eyeopener.
1382
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,391
'Cause I was
a non-believer
before that.
1383
01:03:29,426 --> 01:03:31,980
So that was the experience
that changed it for you,
1384
01:03:32,015 --> 01:03:33,188
-where you realized...
-Mm-hmm.
1385
01:03:40,264 --> 01:03:41,127
[sobbing]
1386
01:03:42,370 --> 01:03:44,337
I'm sorry. [sniffles]
1387
01:03:54,209 --> 01:03:57,488
[Woman]
I just couldn't go on
for a minute.
1388
01:03:57,523 --> 01:03:58,938
Forgive me.
[EXHALES]
1389
01:03:58,973 --> 01:04:01,320
Thank you.
[SNIFFLES]
1390
01:04:01,354 --> 01:04:02,873
What's overwhelming?
1391
01:04:02,908 --> 01:04:06,877
'Cause my neighbor,
um, Charlie Wynn...
1392
01:04:06,912 --> 01:04:08,051
[sniffles]
1393
01:04:10,881 --> 01:04:13,125
After that
1394
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:16,645
big mothership,
or whatever
you wanna call it, or,
1395
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,269
I don't know.
[sniffles]
1396
01:04:19,303 --> 01:04:22,824
He'd stop by, every day,
on his way home from work.
1397
01:04:22,859 --> 01:04:26,552
His face was so red.
1398
01:04:28,795 --> 01:04:31,074
I couldn't believe it.
1399
01:04:31,108 --> 01:04:33,214
When I looked up,
he said that
1400
01:04:33,248 --> 01:04:36,113
light hit me,
it scared the shit
out of me so bad,
1401
01:04:36,148 --> 01:04:38,840
he said, "I was
crawling in the ditch,"
1402
01:04:38,875 --> 01:04:40,635
to get that water to...
1403
01:04:42,464 --> 01:04:44,225
cool him off.
1404
01:04:44,259 --> 01:04:46,503
He got cancer,
and it killed him,
1405
01:04:46,537 --> 01:04:49,264
[stuttering] and I was...
I wonder if it
was from that.
1406
01:04:49,299 --> 01:04:52,440
'Cause, I mean,
you could...
1407
01:04:52,474 --> 01:04:57,859
It was like, you know
how somebody has like
a real bad burn, and it's just,
1408
01:04:57,894 --> 01:05:00,413
so red and deep.
1409
01:05:01,725 --> 01:05:04,279
[Interviewer 1] This is
something that is
really important
1410
01:05:04,314 --> 01:05:08,111
for this whole story.
This phenomena.
1411
01:05:08,145 --> 01:05:11,977
So, can you just
tell me what that
wave of emotion was?
1412
01:05:12,011 --> 01:05:15,256
My son was diagnosed
just last year, and,
1413
01:05:15,290 --> 01:05:20,123
it's hard to deal with it
because that's your baby,
you know, and...
1414
01:05:20,157 --> 01:05:22,884
when it first
started out,
it was like,
1415
01:05:22,919 --> 01:05:26,163
I was hitting
brick walls.
[sniffles]
1416
01:05:26,198 --> 01:05:30,133
And I'm like, "Lord,
you know I'm not
the perfect person."
1417
01:05:30,167 --> 01:05:34,206
[sniffles] But, why?
1418
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,071
-[Interviewer 1] Do you fear
that the phenomenon...
-[sniffles]
1419
01:05:37,105 --> 01:05:39,280
has something to do
with these illnesses?
1420
01:05:39,314 --> 01:05:42,214
Like, with your son
and your friends?
1421
01:05:42,248 --> 01:05:44,906
It kind of makes me
believe because,
1422
01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:48,565
like I said, my son
was strong as a bull.
1423
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:51,809
[Interviewer 1] So there is
a element of fear
for the ones you love.
1424
01:05:51,844 --> 01:05:53,363
Yeah.
1425
01:05:53,397 --> 01:05:55,779
[Interviewer 1] That there
is a, a malevolence to it,
you know,
1426
01:05:55,813 --> 01:05:59,024
and evil, that seems
to be attacking
1427
01:05:59,058 --> 01:06:01,992
-the health
of those you love.
-Yeah.
1428
01:06:02,027 --> 01:06:04,201
That... That is something
you believe to be true?
1429
01:06:04,236 --> 01:06:05,478
Yes.
1430
01:06:05,513 --> 01:06:08,240
[Interviewer 2]
Have all the people,
have been exposed
1431
01:06:08,274 --> 01:06:10,414
-to some kind
of experience?
-Yeah.
1432
01:06:10,449 --> 01:06:13,452
[Interviewer 1]
What question is it
that you would like answered?
1433
01:06:13,486 --> 01:06:15,833
What answer
are you looking
to find?
1434
01:06:15,868 --> 01:06:20,217
Is it really real
or is it some kind of,
the government's building?
1435
01:06:22,668 --> 01:06:24,842
Is it really
1436
01:06:24,877 --> 01:06:29,088
like an entity
or beings or...
1437
01:06:29,123 --> 01:06:32,057
Is it real or is it
government made-up?
1438
01:06:33,541 --> 01:06:34,749
[Interviewer 2]
What do you think?
1439
01:06:37,476 --> 01:06:38,615
I think it's real.
1440
01:06:50,489 --> 01:06:54,355
[Narrator] A beast
prowls the darkness
outside of Skinwalker ranch.
1441
01:06:54,389 --> 01:06:56,253
It's Lucy,
the wonder dog.
1442
01:06:56,288 --> 01:06:58,807
She made the long drive
with us to the Uintah Basin
1443
01:06:58,842 --> 01:07:02,466
in part because Lucy
can see and hear things
that we can't.
1444
01:07:02,501 --> 01:07:08,162
The same reason as the NIDS
team relied on dogs during
the long study of the ranch.
1445
01:07:08,196 --> 01:07:11,717
Dogs were considered to be friends as well as biosensors,
1446
01:07:11,751 --> 01:07:16,308
able to detect unusual activity beyond the range of human sensors.
1447
01:07:16,342 --> 01:07:19,069
Soon after Robert Bigelow
purchased the property,
1448
01:07:19,104 --> 01:07:23,246
the NIDS team built
observation towers
in three pastures,
1449
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,352
with sturdy metal fences
around each tower.
1450
01:07:26,387 --> 01:07:29,666
On many nights,
dogs were stationed
inside the fences.
1451
01:07:29,700 --> 01:07:35,706
The construction of those,
uh, dog runs on the...
on the, um,
1452
01:07:35,741 --> 01:07:40,090
the viewing platforms
also was kind of like
a communication thing.
1453
01:07:40,125 --> 01:07:42,679
The idea was to put
dogs in the dog runs
1454
01:07:42,713 --> 01:07:45,475
who... who are
extremely good biosensors.
1455
01:07:45,509 --> 01:07:48,616
They would alert the humans,
but at the same time,
1456
01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:51,101
um, during the construction
of these dog runs,
1457
01:07:51,136 --> 01:07:54,863
there was a whole bunch
of anomalies happened
at these dog runs.
1458
01:07:54,898 --> 01:07:58,902
[Narrator] An unknown trickster kept opening the gates and letting the dogs loose.
1459
01:07:58,936 --> 01:08:02,319
Perplexed, NIDS
secured the gates
with thick wire.
1460
01:08:02,354 --> 01:08:05,840
The wire vanished.
Then they installed
strong padlocks.
1461
01:08:05,874 --> 01:08:07,773
The padlocks disappeared.
1462
01:08:07,807 --> 01:08:09,361
Gates were left open.
1463
01:08:09,395 --> 01:08:12,364
Um, the...
the locks
were gone.
1464
01:08:12,398 --> 01:08:15,884
[stuttering] There was a whole,
there was like, eight,
I think seven or eight
1465
01:08:15,919 --> 01:08:21,131
separate incidents that happened
at several of these dog runs
just after construction.
1466
01:08:21,166 --> 01:08:22,995
And if you wanted
to read a message
into that,
1467
01:08:23,029 --> 01:08:26,274
you could say the same
sort of thing that,
you know, these,
1468
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:28,897
these measures are
essentially useless.
1469
01:08:28,932 --> 01:08:30,416
They can be
interfered with.
1470
01:08:30,451 --> 01:08:33,626
They can be compromised,
they can be screwed with.
1471
01:08:33,661 --> 01:08:35,456
And there's nothing
that you can do
about it.
1472
01:08:35,490 --> 01:08:38,010
[Narrator]
Kelleher and the NIDS team
were initially optimistic
1473
01:08:38,044 --> 01:08:41,669
after Robert Bigelow
bought the so-called
UFO Ranch,
1474
01:08:41,703 --> 01:08:44,499
the team brought in
its own double-wide
command center,
1475
01:08:44,534 --> 01:08:47,571
installed surveillance
cameras and other sensors
1476
01:08:47,606 --> 01:08:51,851
and tried to find
prosaic explanations
for the wild stories.
1477
01:08:51,886 --> 01:08:54,889
They surveyed the basin
for geomagnetic anomalies,
1478
01:08:54,923 --> 01:08:58,030
searched the property
for hallucinogenic plants,
1479
01:08:58,064 --> 01:09:02,724
interviewed the family,
their neighbors and a wide
circle of other eyewitnesses.
1480
01:09:02,759 --> 01:09:05,969
There's a lot of people
interested in this stuff
and you get a lot of calls.
1481
01:09:06,003 --> 01:09:10,007
[Narrator] The scientists
on the team were not there
to confirm local myths.
1482
01:09:10,042 --> 01:09:14,357
NIDS was designed
to be a high-risk,
high-payoff institute.
1483
01:09:14,391 --> 01:09:16,669
Quite a high risk
for the topic
we were after.
1484
01:09:16,704 --> 01:09:20,501
That ranch, uh, I think
was the epitome of what
we were after.
1485
01:09:20,535 --> 01:09:23,504
Like I said, it was
a living laboratory, uh,
1486
01:09:23,538 --> 01:09:26,231
that we could set-up
and control the conditions.
1487
01:09:26,265 --> 01:09:28,854
We can rigorously monitor
the environment.
1488
01:09:28,888 --> 01:09:31,305
We can rigorously
attempt to monitor
the phenomenon
1489
01:09:31,339 --> 01:09:34,204
as it moved within
that environment
out there at that ranch.
1490
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:35,895
[Narrator] Physicist
Dr. Eric Davis,
1491
01:09:35,930 --> 01:09:39,105
who has worked for military think-tanks and prominent labs,
1492
01:09:39,140 --> 01:09:42,730
was skeptical
about UFO tales
and spooky stories
1493
01:09:42,764 --> 01:09:45,560
until he made his
first visit to the ranch.
1494
01:09:45,595 --> 01:09:48,701
That's when he and others
witnessed an orange globe
1495
01:09:48,736 --> 01:09:50,565
that turned blue,
then landed.
1496
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:51,911
There happened to be
a clear orange ball,
1497
01:09:51,946 --> 01:09:54,086
and then a mist would appear
and it'd be blue again,
1498
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,676
and so forth.
And it alternated
this way until finally,
1499
01:09:57,710 --> 01:10:01,266
uh, descended below
the background mountains
and it descended in...
1500
01:10:01,300 --> 01:10:03,095
Now, when I mean below,
I mean the mountain tops.
1501
01:10:03,129 --> 01:10:04,786
It didn't descend
behind the mountains.
1502
01:10:04,821 --> 01:10:06,685
It descended in front
of the mountains.
1503
01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:10,136
[Narrator] That sighting occurred before NIDS installed its camera system.
1504
01:10:10,171 --> 01:10:13,209
But even with cameras
positioned around
the property,
1505
01:10:13,243 --> 01:10:14,796
the phenomena proved elusive.
1506
01:10:14,831 --> 01:10:20,112
We had cameras
that were recording data
on a continuous basis.
1507
01:10:20,146 --> 01:10:23,184
Uh, frequently,
things would happen
just off the camera.
1508
01:10:23,219 --> 01:10:25,013
Like it knew
where you're looking,
1509
01:10:25,048 --> 01:10:28,189
says, "Okay, we'll do this
where you're not looking."
1510
01:10:28,224 --> 01:10:31,710
[Narrator] The cameras
did catch perplexing
images over the years.
1511
01:10:31,744 --> 01:10:35,196
Darting orbs that seemed
under intelligent control.
1512
01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:39,994
A fan-shaped ray of lights
recorded more than once
near the bottom of the ridge.
1513
01:10:40,028 --> 01:10:44,205
Something resembling an aircraft contrail that emanated from the ground.
1514
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,657
And this, the ghostly
silhouettes of structures
1515
01:10:47,691 --> 01:10:50,867
that reminded the team
of New York's Twin Towers.
1516
01:10:50,901 --> 01:10:53,318
The images
are evidence,
but of what?
1517
01:10:53,352 --> 01:10:59,393
By 1998, the NIDS team already had 78 incidents from the vicinity of the ranch.
1518
01:10:59,427 --> 01:11:03,293
Including 11 nuts and bolts
structured craft reports.
1519
01:11:03,328 --> 01:11:06,054
As well as a few dozen
orbs of different colors.
1520
01:11:06,089 --> 01:11:10,542
And another that sliced
the tops off several trees
in the third homestead.
1521
01:11:10,576 --> 01:11:13,821
The ranchers showed the damage to Ryan Layton, and joked,
1522
01:11:13,855 --> 01:11:15,754
it must have been
a case of pilot error.
1523
01:11:15,788 --> 01:11:19,930
Uh, the top part
of the trees were
kind of, almost squared out.
1524
01:11:19,965 --> 01:11:21,484
Almost like in a square.
1525
01:11:21,518 --> 01:11:24,107
And those are probably
1526
01:11:24,141 --> 01:11:27,835
well, maybe 80 to 100 feet tall
cottonwood trees, and uh,
1527
01:11:27,869 --> 01:11:33,461
the branches were probably
say, 40 to 50-60 feet.
1528
01:11:34,048 --> 01:11:35,670
Some of the branches,
1529
01:11:35,705 --> 01:11:38,397
very lengthy, and they were
on the ground, and they
had broken off.
1530
01:11:38,432 --> 01:11:39,950
[Narrator] That same
section of the property
1531
01:11:39,985 --> 01:11:42,125
is where the rancher
saw his first UFO.
1532
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:45,370
He initially thought
it might be
a wayward Winnebago
1533
01:11:45,404 --> 01:11:47,475
that somehow
got onto
his property.
1534
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:50,444
It was shaped like
a refrigerator,
like box-shaped,
1535
01:11:50,478 --> 01:11:52,860
with a light on
one end of it.
1536
01:11:52,894 --> 01:11:56,104
When he first saw it
in the distance, he was
with his nephew.
1537
01:11:56,139 --> 01:11:59,211
And, um, it was,
1538
01:11:59,245 --> 01:12:01,213
it was dark
but he saw the light
1539
01:12:01,247 --> 01:12:02,766
and he presumed that
they were hunters,
1540
01:12:02,801 --> 01:12:04,596
or they were somebody
trespassing on his property.
1541
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:09,186
So, he and his nephew
started walking towards it.
1542
01:12:09,221 --> 01:12:13,501
It started moving slowly
away from where they
were walking,
1543
01:12:13,536 --> 01:12:17,643
and, um, this all happened
further, further east of here.
1544
01:12:17,678 --> 01:12:20,094
But the thing started
clearing a fence,
1545
01:12:20,128 --> 01:12:24,029
and that's when they,
they began to think
something unusual was happening.
1546
01:12:24,063 --> 01:12:27,204
And they couldn't actually
see the shape of it until
1547
01:12:27,239 --> 01:12:28,551
they kept on pursuing it,
1548
01:12:28,585 --> 01:12:30,898
and then it went
over a tree line.
1549
01:12:30,932 --> 01:12:33,038
[Interviewer]
So an RV that goes
over a tree line?
1550
01:12:33,072 --> 01:12:36,904
Yeah, it actually went over
the tree line, and as it was
silhouetted against the sky,
1551
01:12:36,938 --> 01:12:38,215
they saw the shape of it.
1552
01:12:38,250 --> 01:12:41,978
It was like a, like
a refrigerator,
flying refrigerator.
1553
01:12:42,012 --> 01:12:43,842
And it was completely silent.
1554
01:12:43,876 --> 01:12:47,293
[Narrator] Ground zero
for odd sightings was
always the middle homestead.
1555
01:12:47,328 --> 01:12:52,091
At nights, lights and orbs could be seen floating through the creaky old buildings.
1556
01:12:52,126 --> 01:12:56,751
It's also where the rancher
had multiple sightings
of the most puzzling object.
1557
01:12:56,786 --> 01:12:59,167
An orange, glowing
hole in the sky.
1558
01:12:59,202 --> 01:13:04,345
Gorman told Kelleher
and others the orange ball
seemed to be a portal.
1559
01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:07,175
And on the other side, was a quote "different sky."
1560
01:13:07,210 --> 01:13:10,869
On at least one occasion,
the rancher saw
a smaller object
1561
01:13:10,903 --> 01:13:15,149
fly out of the orange orb,
into the sky
over his property.
1562
01:13:15,183 --> 01:13:19,429
The exotic possibility that
the ranch might be a portal
to another world
1563
01:13:19,464 --> 01:13:23,191
has occurred many times
to the NIDS team.
But how to prove it?
1564
01:13:23,226 --> 01:13:27,195
In August 1996,
the portal theory
erupted again
1565
01:13:27,230 --> 01:13:29,059
in a stark demonstration.
1566
01:13:29,094 --> 01:13:33,788
The rancher and an investigator were conducting a night surveillance atop the ridges.
1567
01:13:33,823 --> 01:13:37,033
They spotted
a hovering ball of light
in the middle homestead.
1568
01:13:37,067 --> 01:13:40,450
An object that was seen
four feet off the ground.
1569
01:13:40,485 --> 01:13:45,351
Um, it looked like
a, a dull yellow light.
1570
01:13:45,386 --> 01:13:46,836
I mean, it was innocuous.
1571
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:49,632
hovering over the road,
it just appeared
out of nowhere.
1572
01:13:49,666 --> 01:13:54,671
And then it begins to expand
and grow and then it opens up
into about approximately
1573
01:13:54,706 --> 01:13:56,121
three-foot wide opening.
1574
01:13:56,155 --> 01:13:59,711
As they turned on
the night vision
equipment they had,
1575
01:13:59,745 --> 01:14:02,886
and lo and behold,
everything from
a dull yellow light
1576
01:14:02,921 --> 01:14:06,131
became like a three-dimensional,
looked like a three-dimensional
tunnel.
1577
01:14:06,165 --> 01:14:08,961
That was just, you know,
hovering over the ground.
1578
01:14:08,996 --> 01:14:13,276
Where there's a light shining
from, coming out from within
of this opening.
1579
01:14:13,310 --> 01:14:15,934
On the other side of the opening
it's just a natural background
of the ranch.
1580
01:14:15,968 --> 01:14:18,695
They see the road, they see
the grass from the pasture,
and so forth.
1581
01:14:18,730 --> 01:14:21,318
Slowly, this
incident unfolded,
1582
01:14:21,353 --> 01:14:25,184
where they saw this,
what looked like
a humanoid creature
1583
01:14:25,219 --> 01:14:27,670
crawling and literally elbowing
1584
01:14:27,704 --> 01:14:30,845
his or her way
through this,
this tunnel.
1585
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,709
Hovering four feet
above the ground.
1586
01:14:32,744 --> 01:14:35,850
And out of this opening
crawls a very large,
1587
01:14:35,885 --> 01:14:38,266
what I understood to be
an eight-foot tall
1588
01:14:38,301 --> 01:14:42,478
black creature with a head
and no neck, and a torso,
arms and legs.
1589
01:14:42,512 --> 01:14:44,480
No details or features
noted on it.
1590
01:14:44,514 --> 01:14:46,689
There was a second witness
standing right beside
1591
01:14:46,723 --> 01:14:48,932
the other guy with
the infrared technology.
1592
01:14:48,967 --> 01:14:52,660
All he could see
was a dull yellow light
1593
01:14:52,695 --> 01:14:54,869
that expanded to about
four feet in diameter.
1594
01:14:54,904 --> 01:14:58,045
It just, literally, grabbed
the outside edges
of this opening,
1595
01:14:58,079 --> 01:15:01,358
pulled itself through,
came out, stepped on
to the dirt road,
1596
01:15:01,393 --> 01:15:02,739
and ran off
into the darkness.
1597
01:15:02,774 --> 01:15:05,535
The creature stood up,
1598
01:15:05,570 --> 01:15:09,263
once it got out onto
the ground, and walked
away into the darkness.
1599
01:15:09,297 --> 01:15:12,438
I mean, can you imagine
two people on the top
of a cliff,
1600
01:15:12,473 --> 01:15:18,444
or, a, sort of a, a bluff,
150 feet off the ground,
and in the middle of nowhere.
1601
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,828
And, uh, then the opening
began to shrink and collapse
in on itself,
1602
01:15:22,863 --> 01:15:25,141
and turned into a brilliant
light that just faded away.
1603
01:15:25,175 --> 01:15:29,594
That's a perfect description
that was given by Matt Vizer
and John Kramer
1604
01:15:29,628 --> 01:15:32,424
and Bob Forward and other
colleagues of theirs
1605
01:15:32,458 --> 01:15:37,049
in a physical review paper
on the optical nature
of wormholes.
1606
01:15:37,084 --> 01:15:40,294
I mean, that is not,
I would say,
military technology.
1607
01:15:40,328 --> 01:15:41,847
That's some kind
of a phenomena,
1608
01:15:41,882 --> 01:15:45,299
that has, it smacks
of inter-dimensional phenomena.
1609
01:15:55,551 --> 01:15:59,555
[Narrator] Tribal elders
believe this ridge is a path
used by the Skinwalker
1610
01:15:59,589 --> 01:16:02,834
as it moves
from one place
to another.
1611
01:16:02,868 --> 01:16:05,733
The question becomes,
where does it live?
1612
01:16:07,770 --> 01:16:11,739
The answer, according
to the tribe, is Dark Canyon.
1613
01:16:11,774 --> 01:16:14,431
A place steeped in legend
and superstition,
1614
01:16:14,466 --> 01:16:18,781
dominated by tall pines
and spirits from
other realities.
1615
01:16:19,816 --> 01:16:21,611
With the help
of our Uintah friends,
1616
01:16:21,646 --> 01:16:23,717
we obtained something
rarely given.
1617
01:16:23,751 --> 01:16:26,305
Permission from the tribe
to bring our cameras
1618
01:16:26,340 --> 01:16:28,342
into the heart
of Dark Canyon.
1619
01:16:29,446 --> 01:16:32,518
We soon found
that the name fits.
1620
01:16:32,553 --> 01:16:35,073
While there, we heard
encounter tales
1621
01:16:35,107 --> 01:16:38,559
from a young woman
named Shelby.
1622
01:16:38,594 --> 01:16:42,598
[Shelby] It was reflective,
and the reflection over light
was what caught my eye.
1623
01:16:42,632 --> 01:16:47,361
As we were watching the hikers
come up and over
the mountain,
1624
01:16:47,395 --> 01:16:49,018
up in the corner,
1625
01:16:49,052 --> 01:16:50,536
like in the crook
of the mountain,
1626
01:16:50,571 --> 01:16:52,331
there was a saucer
that had come up
1627
01:16:52,366 --> 01:16:54,610
and over and down
and back down,
1628
01:16:54,644 --> 01:16:57,267
and I tried
pointing it out to her
1629
01:16:57,302 --> 01:16:59,062
and she was too late, but,
1630
01:16:59,097 --> 01:17:01,513
-[Interviewer 1] The saucer?
-Yeah.
1631
01:17:01,547 --> 01:17:04,654
Yeah, it was pretty
significant in size.
1632
01:17:04,689 --> 01:17:07,277
[Interviewer 1]
Classic flying saucer?
1633
01:17:07,312 --> 01:17:09,901
[Shelby] I don't think
there was anyone else
in my family
1634
01:17:09,935 --> 01:17:13,352
who was willing to admit
what goes on.
1635
01:17:13,387 --> 01:17:15,734
[Interviewer 1] Is this
the kind of thing
that runs in the family?
1636
01:17:16,666 --> 01:17:19,393
For me
and my mother,
it does.
1637
01:17:19,427 --> 01:17:22,016
You think it's because
you and your mother
are open to this?
1638
01:17:22,051 --> 01:17:23,846
I don't necessarily think
we're open to it.
1639
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:25,537
I think that it
comes to us.
1640
01:17:25,571 --> 01:17:27,608
[Interviewer 2] Is this
your first time talking
about it publicly?
1641
01:17:27,643 --> 01:17:28,678
Yeah.
1642
01:17:28,713 --> 01:17:31,025
Are you worried
about the reaction?
1643
01:17:31,060 --> 01:17:33,683
I am, just because
of my profession.
1644
01:17:33,718 --> 01:17:38,274
I... I worry that it's
gonna follow me, and...
1645
01:17:38,308 --> 01:17:40,103
[Interviewer 1] You work
in public education.
1646
01:17:40,138 --> 01:17:43,969
So I guess you have to worry
what will my employer
think about it?
1647
01:17:44,245 --> 01:17:46,006
Yeah.
1648
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,836
[Interviewer 2] You ever told
your... Anybody you work with
that you had experiences
1649
01:17:48,871 --> 01:17:51,011
-that we'll discuss?
-I have.
1650
01:17:51,045 --> 01:17:53,703
Everybody has a...
Their story.
1651
01:17:55,222 --> 01:17:58,294
A lot of the times,
with my experiences, I've,
1652
01:17:58,328 --> 01:18:01,573
I put them on a shelf
and I don't like
to think about them
1653
01:18:01,607 --> 01:18:04,265
or revisit them
because they've,
1654
01:18:05,335 --> 01:18:08,545
impacted, or I try
not to let them
impact me.
1655
01:18:08,580 --> 01:18:14,241
I'm so disassociated
with it that I don't,
I don't think about it.
1656
01:18:14,275 --> 01:18:17,244
[echoing] I think
that's something
that I've repressed.
1657
01:18:17,278 --> 01:18:19,108
[Interviewer 2]
You have a missing
time experience?
1658
01:18:19,142 --> 01:18:20,212
[Shelby] I do.
1659
01:18:20,247 --> 01:18:21,179
[Interviewer 2]
Can you share that?
1660
01:18:21,213 --> 01:18:25,252
I woke up
around 1 o'clock,
and I remember
1661
01:18:25,286 --> 01:18:28,807
that I sat up.
I remember being
aware of what I was doing,
1662
01:18:28,842 --> 01:18:32,293
but not having control
over what I was doing.
1663
01:18:32,328 --> 01:18:36,884
And I got out of bed,
and I walked into
the living room dining area,
1664
01:18:36,919 --> 01:18:43,719
and I looked to their,
um, to their,
1665
01:18:43,753 --> 01:18:46,963
their window that was,
that oversaw their
dining room table,
1666
01:18:46,998 --> 01:18:50,449
and I remember seeing
two bright spot lights.
1667
01:18:50,484 --> 01:18:54,039
And, next thing I remember
was, I was facing
the opposite direction,
1668
01:18:54,074 --> 01:18:56,179
more towards their stove,
looking at their clock.
1669
01:18:56,214 --> 01:19:00,943
And, at that time, it was
8 o'clock, and I went
back to bed, and...
1670
01:19:00,977 --> 01:19:03,117
-[Interviewer 2] So five or six
hours had passed?
-Yeah.
1671
01:19:03,152 --> 01:19:05,361
And you're standing,
looking at a stove?
1672
01:19:05,395 --> 01:19:06,569
Yeah.
1673
01:19:06,603 --> 01:19:08,605
-And you don't know how--
-I don't know
how I got there.
1674
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,850
[Interviewer 1] Tell us
a little bit about the nature
of the light, how bright?
1675
01:19:14,025 --> 01:19:19,478
I remember it illuminating
the entire area.
1676
01:19:19,513 --> 01:19:22,412
[Interviewer 1] How bright?
What was the nature
of the light?
1677
01:19:22,447 --> 01:19:23,793
Undescribable.
1678
01:19:23,828 --> 01:19:25,139
-It was--
-[Interviewer 1] How would you
describe as bright?
1679
01:19:25,174 --> 01:19:30,317
It was brighter.
It was, I can't even,
1680
01:19:30,351 --> 01:19:33,078
describe to you.
Like, no LED,
no flashlight
1681
01:19:33,113 --> 01:19:36,772
nothing can compare
to the brightness
of those lights,
1682
01:19:36,806 --> 01:19:40,258
and to the whiteness
of the lights.
1683
01:19:40,292 --> 01:19:43,813
[Interviewer 1] Brighter
than the sun, it's like nothing
we've seen before.
1684
01:19:43,848 --> 01:19:46,229
These experiences,
have they changed you?
1685
01:19:49,646 --> 01:19:51,476
I think so.
1686
01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:54,479
[Interviewer 1] What's it
about this area, the basin?
1687
01:19:54,513 --> 01:19:57,723
Or is it the tribe?
Is it the people
who live here
1688
01:19:57,758 --> 01:20:00,278
that attracts all this
different stuff?
1689
01:20:00,312 --> 01:20:01,866
-I don't know.
-Or is it everywhere?
1690
01:20:01,900 --> 01:20:03,695
I don't know.
I don't have a clue.
1691
01:20:03,729 --> 01:20:06,042
[Interviewer 1] Some people
call them, they were referred
to as hitchhikers.
1692
01:20:06,077 --> 01:20:07,595
That these things
follow you around.
1693
01:20:07,630 --> 01:20:11,013
[Shelby] From my own
experiences, if you
invite something,
1694
01:20:11,047 --> 01:20:13,636
it will come and it will
become attached to you.
1695
01:20:13,670 --> 01:20:16,812
And it'll stay attached
until you tell it to leave.
1696
01:20:24,026 --> 01:20:25,993
The unfortunate thing is,
this weird phenomena
1697
01:20:26,028 --> 01:20:27,857
is not amenable
to laboratory testing.
1698
01:20:27,892 --> 01:20:29,652
Where we can control
the conditions.
1699
01:20:29,686 --> 01:20:31,757
We thought we could.
We attempted to.
1700
01:20:31,792 --> 01:20:34,795
We tried as much as we could
within the boundaries
of our budget,
1701
01:20:34,830 --> 01:20:37,108
to control conditions,
and it turned out,
1702
01:20:37,142 --> 01:20:39,282
the phenomenon controlled us,
and controlled itself.
1703
01:20:39,317 --> 01:20:42,251
It basically did everything
it could to avoid us,
absolutely.
1704
01:20:42,285 --> 01:20:45,012
It did not want to engage in
or interact with that much
1705
01:20:45,047 --> 01:20:47,221
after the first
year and a half.
1706
01:20:47,256 --> 01:20:49,741
That we were there
working on that property.
1707
01:20:49,775 --> 01:20:53,469
That phenomena,
I am sure was cognizant
of our presence there.
1708
01:20:53,503 --> 01:20:56,886
And basically did not want
to allow us to detect it.
1709
01:20:56,921 --> 01:20:59,268
Put... Record it and film it
in any form or fashion.
1710
01:20:59,302 --> 01:21:01,028
[Narrator] Like
the investigators
who tried to crack
1711
01:21:01,063 --> 01:21:02,961
the mysteries
of the ranch,
1712
01:21:02,996 --> 01:21:05,964
physicist Dr. Eric Davis
became frustrated
1713
01:21:05,999 --> 01:21:08,484
by the elusive nature
of the target.
1714
01:21:08,518 --> 01:21:12,281
Dr. John Alexander,
the former Army
intelligence officer,
1715
01:21:12,315 --> 01:21:15,836
coined the term
precognitive
symbiant intelligence
1716
01:21:15,871 --> 01:21:17,873
to describe the entity
on the ranch.
1717
01:21:17,907 --> 01:21:21,221
Precognitive because
it could anticipate
what came next.
1718
01:21:21,255 --> 01:21:23,913
One of the things
that happened
1719
01:21:23,948 --> 01:21:27,468
in Uintah, at the ranch,
that was very perplexing,
1720
01:21:27,503 --> 01:21:32,922
was it seemed like
whatever was presenting
the phenomena to us,
1721
01:21:32,957 --> 01:21:35,925
knew what we
were going to do,
1722
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,271
and what was gotta
be a response.
1723
01:21:37,306 --> 01:21:38,686
And we would do
something different.
1724
01:21:39,929 --> 01:21:41,586
The family that lived
on the property
1725
01:21:41,620 --> 01:21:44,209
felt from the beginning
that it was being watched.
1726
01:21:44,244 --> 01:21:47,281
That something was pulling
strings, playing tricks.
1727
01:21:47,316 --> 01:21:50,871
Of all the strange incidents
that were reported
on the ranch,
1728
01:21:50,906 --> 01:21:53,529
one in particular
stands alone.
1729
01:21:53,563 --> 01:21:55,289
[Man] that there's
a trickster element
to it.
1730
01:21:55,324 --> 01:21:57,015
Yeah, there's a trickster
element to it.
1731
01:21:57,050 --> 01:22:00,122
And I think the, the biggest
one that really would
1732
01:22:00,156 --> 01:22:02,055
blow most people's minds,
1733
01:22:02,089 --> 01:22:04,471
scientists or anybody
trying to analyze this,
1734
01:22:04,505 --> 01:22:06,714
'course it's the account
of the bulls in the trailer.
1735
01:22:06,749 --> 01:22:11,202
There were four 2,000-pound
bulls, in this, uh, in this
1736
01:22:11,892 --> 01:22:13,342
little corral here.
1737
01:22:13,376 --> 01:22:16,034
[Narrator] 1999,
earlier in the day,
1738
01:22:16,069 --> 01:22:18,278
the rancher had come
across strange tracks
1739
01:22:18,312 --> 01:22:21,867
in the dense brush
on the edge of
the middle homestead.
1740
01:22:21,902 --> 01:22:24,249
Tracks unlike anything
he'd ever seen.
1741
01:22:24,284 --> 01:22:26,803
The family was on edge
because by that point,
1742
01:22:26,838 --> 01:22:30,117
they'd lost a dozen or more
head of expensive cattle.
1743
01:22:30,152 --> 01:22:32,223
They couldn't afford
to lose anymore.
1744
01:22:32,257 --> 01:22:35,088
About two o'clock
in the afternoon,
1745
01:22:35,122 --> 01:22:39,092
um, the rancher and his wife,
uh, were driving past
1746
01:22:39,126 --> 01:22:43,889
on their way down to the west
end of the property to check
on their other animals.
1747
01:22:43,924 --> 01:22:47,272
So, these were their
four best thoroughbred
1748
01:22:47,307 --> 01:22:52,001
uh, registered, um,
Black Angus and Simmental bulls.
1749
01:22:52,036 --> 01:22:56,281
They were, like, very valuable
animals, thousands
of dollars each.
1750
01:22:56,316 --> 01:23:01,631
And, you know,
Terri and Gwen are
the rancher and his wife.
1751
01:23:01,666 --> 01:23:06,222
As they were driving past,
remarked on how devastating
it would be
1752
01:23:06,257 --> 01:23:09,432
to them, financially,
if they lost those animals.
1753
01:23:09,467 --> 01:23:12,159
[Narrator] It was as if
someone overheard
their concerns.
1754
01:23:12,194 --> 01:23:15,024
When they returned
to the corral
an hour later...
1755
01:23:15,059 --> 01:23:18,579
and they were driving past
the corral here on this track,
when they realized,
1756
01:23:18,614 --> 01:23:22,445
no bulls. The bulls
were gone from the corral.
1757
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:26,070
So they panicked, you know.
They, they ran over here,
1758
01:23:26,104 --> 01:23:30,350
um, searching, and,
the entire corral
was empty.
1759
01:23:30,384 --> 01:23:34,354
And then, just out of,
out of, kind of, instinct,
1760
01:23:34,388 --> 01:23:38,944
the rancher climbed over
into the corral,
into this corral here,
1761
01:23:38,979 --> 01:23:40,670
and walked over
to this trailer.
1762
01:23:40,705 --> 01:23:43,535
[Narrator] Trailer
was used to store tools
and other equipment.
1763
01:23:43,570 --> 01:23:45,158
There was only
one way into it.
1764
01:23:45,192 --> 01:23:48,368
And the only latch was
still secured by heavy wire.
1765
01:23:48,402 --> 01:23:50,266
Just as the rancher
had left it.
1766
01:23:50,301 --> 01:23:52,027
The door was still locked.
1767
01:23:52,061 --> 01:23:57,342
This latch was actually
pulled way down here.
1768
01:23:57,377 --> 01:24:00,242
It was obvious
it had never
been opened.
1769
01:24:00,276 --> 01:24:02,382
Um, it was pulled
down here.
1770
01:24:03,141 --> 01:24:04,315
This was locked.
1771
01:24:04,349 --> 01:24:09,251
Um, this doorway
here was open.
1772
01:24:09,285 --> 01:24:12,495
And, um, he looked in,
and all four animals
1773
01:24:12,530 --> 01:24:15,395
were, were standing there,
like totally dazed.
1774
01:24:15,429 --> 01:24:19,606
And, to work with
even a single bull,
1775
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,126
getting them into
an enclosed space
like this,
1776
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:23,886
would be
almost impossible.
1777
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,096
To get four
2,000-pound
bulls into
1778
01:24:27,131 --> 01:24:29,961
a tiny, tiny enclosed
space where they were
1779
01:24:29,995 --> 01:24:31,997
squashed up against
each other,
1780
01:24:32,032 --> 01:24:34,690
uh, would be
completely impossible.
1781
01:24:34,724 --> 01:24:39,591
But anyway, Terri yelled,
or the rancher yelled
to his wife
1782
01:24:39,626 --> 01:24:42,180
that he had found
the animals.
And his yell
1783
01:24:42,215 --> 01:24:47,185
just seemed to wake them up
out of this catatonic trance
or daze they were in.
1784
01:24:47,220 --> 01:24:51,500
And suddenly, they just went ape
when they realized they were
in this cramped space.
1785
01:24:51,534 --> 01:24:55,193
They went crazy.
They started kicking down
the sides of this thing.
1786
01:24:55,228 --> 01:24:57,195
And they kicked
one of the doors.
1787
01:24:57,230 --> 01:24:59,715
There is a boarded door
at the other end there.
1788
01:24:59,749 --> 01:25:04,306
They kicked the door open
and they, and they just
went absolutely wild.
1789
01:25:04,340 --> 01:25:08,413
They destroyed the inside
of this, uh, trailer
in like, minutes.
1790
01:25:08,448 --> 01:25:09,759
[clears throat] Eventually,
1791
01:25:09,794 --> 01:25:12,935
it took the rancher
and his wife
about four hours
1792
01:25:12,969 --> 01:25:18,251
to herd the animals back,
back through here,
and in here.
1793
01:25:18,285 --> 01:25:21,530
And, in the space of an hour,
1794
01:25:21,564 --> 01:25:25,948
um, something
had induced
or forced
1795
01:25:25,982 --> 01:25:31,333
or persuaded those
four extremely
aggressive animals
1796
01:25:31,367 --> 01:25:34,405
[clears throat] to cram
themselves into this trailer.
1797
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:38,409
Without opening this door.
This door was not opened.
1798
01:25:38,443 --> 01:25:41,722
Uh, because we actually
checked that, to see.
1799
01:25:41,757 --> 01:25:45,381
There was cobwebs
and all of that
on the inside of the door.
1800
01:25:45,416 --> 01:25:50,352
And it was quite obvious
from this, uh, from this
set-up here,
1801
01:25:50,386 --> 01:25:52,008
that this had not
been moved at all.
1802
01:25:52,043 --> 01:25:55,598
We've moved it back and forth
when we've examined this
1803
01:25:55,633 --> 01:25:58,153
since then, but, um,
1804
01:25:58,187 --> 01:26:04,193
these animals, in response
to what Terri or, the rancher
and his wife had said,
1805
01:26:04,228 --> 01:26:09,785
obviously had been put
in there, some kind
of a prank, whatever.
1806
01:26:09,819 --> 01:26:14,479
Again, to underline anxiety,
to create anxiety,
1807
01:26:14,514 --> 01:26:18,863
in the rancher and his wife
that they had lost
their animals.
1808
01:26:18,897 --> 01:26:23,212
[Narrator] This is a photo of the bulls taken a few hours after they were released.
1809
01:26:23,247 --> 01:26:24,972
And they were still
in a surly mood.
1810
01:26:25,007 --> 01:26:28,769
The NIDS team wasn't on
the property at the time
of the incident,
1811
01:26:28,804 --> 01:26:30,219
but arrived soon after.
1812
01:26:30,254 --> 01:26:32,911
Almost as strange
as the treatment
of the bulls
1813
01:26:32,946 --> 01:26:35,638
was the physical evidence
left at the scene.
1814
01:26:35,673 --> 01:26:38,848
The bars of the corral
had been magnetized.
1815
01:26:38,883 --> 01:26:41,126
Examining this
metal structure,
1816
01:26:41,161 --> 01:26:43,439
all along the length
of the metal structure,
1817
01:26:43,474 --> 01:26:46,270
it was extremely
highly magnetized.
1818
01:26:46,304 --> 01:26:48,375
The entire, uh,
corral here,
1819
01:26:48,410 --> 01:26:52,586
there was a magnetic field
deviation for several hours
on this corral,
1820
01:26:52,621 --> 01:26:54,692
and then it just
kind of dissipated.
1821
01:26:56,211 --> 01:26:58,696
But, um, very strong
magnetic field,
1822
01:26:58,730 --> 01:27:01,216
along this entire
length of corral.
1823
01:27:02,734 --> 01:27:05,979
That was the only clue
that was found to what
happened here,
1824
01:27:06,013 --> 01:27:09,810
and it doesn't even tie into
how exactly it happened.
1825
01:27:09,845 --> 01:27:12,365
So, you can't just say
it was teenagers
1826
01:27:12,399 --> 01:27:15,713
who came into the corral
and got these bulls
into this thing?
1827
01:27:15,747 --> 01:27:20,925
No, you need to be extremely,
even to get one bull
into this, this corral,
1828
01:27:20,959 --> 01:27:24,825
I mean, forcing a bull
to climb, even climb up this,
1829
01:27:24,860 --> 01:27:28,243
into an enclosed space,
it's just impossible,
you know.
1830
01:27:28,277 --> 01:27:32,523
And, and the fact is,
it was verified pretty
well convincingly,
1831
01:27:32,557 --> 01:27:34,456
that this door
had not opened.
1832
01:27:34,490 --> 01:27:35,974
-In the...
-I thought that's
the only way in.
1833
01:27:36,009 --> 01:27:37,079
-Huh?
-But that's--
1834
01:27:37,113 --> 01:27:39,115
That's the only way in
from the corral.
1835
01:27:39,150 --> 01:27:42,326
I mean, it's another one
of these brain teasers,
you know.
1836
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:45,674
How exactly was it done?
Why was it done?
All of that.
1837
01:28:00,102 --> 01:28:03,381
[Interviewer 1]
In the Uintah Basin,
you were being visited
1838
01:28:03,416 --> 01:28:06,142
by something that appears
to be non-human.
1839
01:28:06,177 --> 01:28:07,040
-Mm-hmm.
-Yes.
1840
01:28:09,042 --> 01:28:10,388
What is your full name?
1841
01:28:10,423 --> 01:28:15,151
[Garrie] My name is Garrie
Walking Leeback Poowegup.
1842
01:28:15,186 --> 01:28:19,294
[Interviewer 1] I got to talk
with your mom and kind of
hear her perspective
1843
01:28:19,328 --> 01:28:24,299
over months and months
on the phone, and finally
we had a interview.
1844
01:28:24,333 --> 01:28:27,543
The moment that changed
your mom's ideas.
1845
01:28:27,578 --> 01:28:29,304
-Do you know the one
I'm talking about?
-Mm-hmm.
1846
01:28:29,338 --> 01:28:31,754
-What happened?
-It was dead night.
1847
01:28:31,789 --> 01:28:34,412
We had just stepped
out of our truck.
1848
01:28:34,447 --> 01:28:37,450
I'm just walking my own way,
and she's walking this way,
1849
01:28:38,036 --> 01:28:39,797
then outta nowhere,
1850
01:28:39,831 --> 01:28:44,940
and it just lit up,
bright as this, this,
as you see in the windows,
1851
01:28:44,974 --> 01:28:46,838
that's how bright it was,
1852
01:28:46,873 --> 01:28:48,461
just went back to black.
1853
01:28:48,495 --> 01:28:50,842
[Interviewer 1] That's what
I hear from so many people,
they always said,
1854
01:28:50,877 --> 01:28:53,466
-it was, it was brighter
than the sun.
-Mm-hmm.
1855
01:28:53,500 --> 01:28:58,747
We've had a lot of reports
of lights from the sky
coming down and hitting people.
1856
01:28:58,781 --> 01:29:02,060
And some people
have gotten sick
from that.
1857
01:29:02,095 --> 01:29:06,582
Uh, like birds,
and you described
one experience of that.
1858
01:29:06,617 --> 01:29:07,756
Yes.
1859
01:29:07,790 --> 01:29:09,758
There have been negative
health effects on the birds.
1860
01:29:09,792 --> 01:29:12,208
So, just to get personal,
let me ask you first.
1861
01:29:12,243 --> 01:29:14,072
You have a medical condition.
1862
01:29:14,728 --> 01:29:15,522
Uh, yes.
1863
01:29:15,557 --> 01:29:17,144
Can you tell me
about that?
1864
01:29:17,179 --> 01:29:20,458
That is, uh, MNS.
I got MNS.
1865
01:29:21,494 --> 01:29:23,392
I'm only
30 years old.
1866
01:29:23,427 --> 01:29:26,947
First one in family history,
I'm the only one.
1867
01:29:26,982 --> 01:29:29,709
It's, it's hard for your mom.
I can see she is...
1868
01:29:29,743 --> 01:29:32,090
It's hard for her, right?
I mean, any family.
1869
01:29:32,125 --> 01:29:33,506
Yeah.
1870
01:29:33,540 --> 01:29:36,509
One thing she asked,
is, she was curious if
1871
01:29:36,543 --> 01:29:40,927
these lights had any negative
impact on your guy's health.
1872
01:29:40,961 --> 01:29:43,412
Um, do you feel there's
any connection to that?
1873
01:29:43,447 --> 01:29:45,587
Or do you feel
it's just not that?
1874
01:29:45,621 --> 01:29:47,140
Not feeling
like it's not.
1875
01:29:48,900 --> 01:29:50,177
[Interviewer 1] These things
you're seeing.
1876
01:29:50,212 --> 01:29:53,388
I remember I was just
hearing that ringing again,
1877
01:29:53,422 --> 01:29:56,114
but it was only
on one side.
On my left side.
1878
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:59,394
I used my cane
and I walk around
and get right here.
1879
01:29:59,428 --> 01:30:01,913
I saw the moon,
as bright it was.
1880
01:30:01,948 --> 01:30:05,020
Then I just see this object,
a white object,
1881
01:30:05,054 --> 01:30:09,369
circling, uh, and it came
back around, and it did again.
1882
01:30:09,404 --> 01:30:11,095
Then it just went,
and then went,
1883
01:30:11,129 --> 01:30:15,375
backwards towards it,
and I can remember
seeing it just jolt
1884
01:30:15,410 --> 01:30:17,446
and just see
that weird flash.
1885
01:30:17,481 --> 01:30:22,037
Then I guess it probably
noticed me or something,
then it just took off.
1886
01:30:22,071 --> 01:30:24,591
-You're talking about a craft--
-[indistinct]
1887
01:30:24,626 --> 01:30:27,974
-a craft with unusual,
uh, propulsion.
-Yes.
1888
01:30:28,008 --> 01:30:30,977
So it's not just the ranch,
it's all around you
at the basin.
1889
01:30:31,011 --> 01:30:32,979
It's around your home,
around your property,
1890
01:30:33,013 --> 01:30:34,670
-Mm-hmm.
-whatever this phenomenon is,
1891
01:30:34,705 --> 01:30:36,016
it's all around you here.
1892
01:30:36,051 --> 01:30:37,949
-Mm-hmm.
-Yes.
1893
01:30:37,984 --> 01:30:41,263
Some people
have been harmed by these.
Their lives have been changed.
1894
01:30:41,297 --> 01:30:45,129
Once you see something
like this, you can never
see the world the same again.
1895
01:30:45,163 --> 01:30:49,202
It just has to happen to you.
Something is here.
1896
01:30:49,858 --> 01:30:50,755
Is it real?
1897
01:30:50,790 --> 01:30:53,827
Oh, yes, and I believe
it is much real.
1898
01:30:53,862 --> 01:30:57,106
All those deniers, you know,
can just come out here.
1899
01:30:57,141 --> 01:30:59,005
I don't care
how many numbers.
1900
01:30:59,039 --> 01:31:02,905
They just gotta have that
kind of, the experience,
but it's a gamble.
1901
01:31:02,940 --> 01:31:05,667
Some days they're here,
some days they're not.
1902
01:31:05,701 --> 01:31:09,187
They'll be taking days,
weeks, months,
just to,
1903
01:31:09,222 --> 01:31:13,468
have just one real experience.
I think, just one.
1904
01:31:13,502 --> 01:31:16,781
Even just seeing
a light or a UFO
just coming by.
1905
01:31:16,816 --> 01:31:19,404
Just once. Just get
that one image.
1906
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,891
Just like that, and that
will just be with them
for the rest of their lives.
1907
01:31:22,925 --> 01:31:24,340
Just that one
little piece.
1908
01:31:24,375 --> 01:31:26,757
Why does this area
have so many things
so concentrated?
1909
01:31:26,791 --> 01:31:30,726
I think there's
a main portal
somewhere here.
1910
01:31:32,417 --> 01:31:36,283
There are big displays,
and the cops
are called out,
1911
01:31:36,318 --> 01:31:40,736
something is coming
over this area,
beaming lights.
1912
01:31:40,771 --> 01:31:42,876
Your concern
last time was,
1913
01:31:42,911 --> 01:31:46,915
is this having negative
effects on the people
I love,
1914
01:31:46,949 --> 01:31:48,399
-and is it
government...
-Mm-hmm.
1915
01:31:48,433 --> 01:31:51,540
or is it entities,
other beings?
1916
01:31:51,575 --> 01:31:52,679
Mm-hmm.
1917
01:31:52,714 --> 01:31:54,681
-You're both nodding
your heads.
-Yeah.
1918
01:31:54,716 --> 01:31:56,200
So, what is it?
What does that mean?
1919
01:31:56,234 --> 01:32:01,308
What can it be? Is it from here
or is it from somewhere else?
1920
01:32:01,343 --> 01:32:05,347
The other side?
Or a different world
or somewhere?
1921
01:32:05,381 --> 01:32:09,040
Different solar system,
just visiting?
1922
01:32:09,075 --> 01:32:11,836
The universe is wild,
there's many planets.
1923
01:32:11,871 --> 01:32:14,736
I don't know.
I really would
like to know.
1924
01:32:14,770 --> 01:32:17,083
Maybe find out
at least something.
1925
01:32:17,117 --> 01:32:20,465
If people wanted to come
and visit this place,
1926
01:32:20,500 --> 01:32:22,019
-Mm-hmm.
-your area,
1927
01:32:22,053 --> 01:32:25,816
um, would you advise them
to do that or to not do that?
1928
01:32:27,783 --> 01:32:30,855
If you're curious,
come and see
yourself, you know?
1929
01:32:30,890 --> 01:32:36,378
'Cause I can sit here
and tell you forever,
all my experiences, but...
1930
01:32:36,412 --> 01:32:37,586
that's me.
1931
01:32:37,621 --> 01:32:38,967
But there are risks.
1932
01:32:39,001 --> 01:32:42,246
But they are...
Yes, there is risks.
1933
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:48,942
You might see something
you can't handle,
or you might experience, uh...
1934
01:32:50,910 --> 01:32:55,604
entity, I'm gonna say.
That you can't handle.
And so,
1935
01:32:55,639 --> 01:32:58,780
yeah, the... I don't know.
It's hard. Yes or no?
1936
01:32:58,814 --> 01:33:01,679
[stuttering] It'd be
up to that individual.
1937
01:33:35,540 --> 01:33:39,096
[Narrator] The Gormans were especially sensitive to the incident with the bulls
1938
01:33:39,130 --> 01:33:41,270
because of the losses
they had already suffered.
1939
01:33:41,305 --> 01:33:44,791
Out of a herd
of 80 cattle,
they lost 14 head
1940
01:33:44,826 --> 01:33:49,693
prior to the arrival of NIDS.
Some disappeared.
Others were sliced up.
1941
01:33:49,727 --> 01:33:54,076
12 more cows and calves
were killed while NIDS
was on the ranch.
1942
01:33:54,111 --> 01:33:57,735
Their neighbors, the Garcias,
lost several animals as well.
1943
01:33:57,770 --> 01:33:59,530
Some of their cattle
appeared to have been killed
1944
01:33:59,564 --> 01:34:02,498
by being dropped
onto the pasture
from a great height.
1945
01:34:02,533 --> 01:34:06,917
The cattle mutilation mystery
has been reported
in at least 15 states,
1946
01:34:06,951 --> 01:34:08,746
dating back to the 1960s.
1947
01:34:08,781 --> 01:34:12,819
Thousands of animals
have been sliced up
with surgical precision,
1948
01:34:12,854 --> 01:34:14,649
mostly under the cover
of darkness.
1949
01:34:14,683 --> 01:34:19,412
If humans are doing it,
not a single suspect
has ever been caught.
1950
01:34:19,446 --> 01:34:22,691
For the Gormans,
the livestock losses
were devastating
1951
01:34:22,726 --> 01:34:24,900
both financially,
and psychologically.
1952
01:34:24,935 --> 01:34:27,040
And then, things got worse.
1953
01:34:28,801 --> 01:34:32,149
On March 10, 1997,
Tom Gorman and his wife
1954
01:34:32,183 --> 01:34:34,496
walked out of their home
and into the pasture,
1955
01:34:34,530 --> 01:34:39,708
planning to tag the ears of
several calves that had been
born in the preceding days.
1956
01:34:39,743 --> 01:34:42,849
It was a bright, clear morning. Snow was on the ground.
1957
01:34:42,884 --> 01:34:45,265
50 yards from their house,
they found the first calf.
1958
01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:47,716
[Kelleher]
They were
with their dog.
1959
01:34:47,751 --> 01:34:51,893
Uh, the two of them, um,
tagged and weighed
this animal.
1960
01:34:51,927 --> 01:34:55,724
They, they checked it out.
I believe it was 84 pounds.
1961
01:34:55,759 --> 01:35:01,074
Or 87 pounds.
And they left
the animal there.
1962
01:35:01,109 --> 01:35:04,077
With... With the mother.
Everything seemed to be fine.
1963
01:35:04,112 --> 01:35:07,494
Although, they did detect
an odor in the air.
1964
01:35:07,529 --> 01:35:13,155
Around this area,
they, they detected
a strong musk smell.
1965
01:35:13,190 --> 01:35:17,056
Um, they took note of it,
and then they headed west.
1966
01:35:17,090 --> 01:35:19,230
And they went
about 300 yards west.
1967
01:35:19,265 --> 01:35:23,407
Beyond the... The dog run
wasn't... Was not there
at the time.
1968
01:35:23,441 --> 01:35:26,410
But about 300
yards beyond,
1969
01:35:26,444 --> 01:35:28,999
um, towards where
that incline is.
1970
01:35:29,033 --> 01:35:32,002
Um, and they were
tagging a second animal,
1971
01:35:32,036 --> 01:35:34,038
[Narrator]
Only 30 to 40 minutes
had passed,
1972
01:35:34,073 --> 01:35:36,489
the Gormans had
an obstructed view
1973
01:35:36,523 --> 01:35:37,662
of everything
in the field.
1974
01:35:37,697 --> 01:35:40,251
But didn't see or hear
anything unusual.
1975
01:35:40,286 --> 01:35:43,910
Until their dog focused
its attention back toward
the house,
1976
01:35:43,945 --> 01:35:45,705
and the first calf.
1977
01:35:45,740 --> 01:35:48,397
The dog with them,
down here at this stage,
1978
01:35:48,432 --> 01:35:49,778
began to act really strangely.
1979
01:35:49,813 --> 01:35:53,161
It started growling.
The hair on the back
of its neck went up.
1980
01:35:53,195 --> 01:35:56,474
And it started facing
back towards here,
1981
01:35:57,027 --> 01:35:58,442
growling and snarling.
1982
01:35:58,476 --> 01:36:02,135
And then, it just took off
west, away from this spot.
1983
01:36:02,170 --> 01:36:04,620
It just took off,
was never seen again.
1984
01:36:04,655 --> 01:36:07,554
[Narrator] The Gormans
were curious and walked
back across the field.
1985
01:36:07,589 --> 01:36:11,248
First thing they saw
was the mother
of the animal,
1986
01:36:11,282 --> 01:36:17,668
was running back and forth,
kind of [stuttering]
in a sort of half circle.
1987
01:36:17,702 --> 01:36:20,360
From about this area
to the fence line.
1988
01:36:20,395 --> 01:36:23,225
Just running back and forth,
and it was limping.
1989
01:36:23,260 --> 01:36:25,572
I mean, it was
dragging its foot.
It was limping.
1990
01:36:25,607 --> 01:36:31,268
They met the animal, um,
and they noticed that it was
just totally out of breath.
1991
01:36:31,302 --> 01:36:34,581
It was panting.
It was obviously
in deep stress.
1992
01:36:34,616 --> 01:36:36,066
and it was
dragging one leg.
1993
01:36:36,100 --> 01:36:38,689
And then they noticed
the calf, or what
was left of it.
1994
01:36:38,723 --> 01:36:42,520
[Kelleher] ...lay spreadeagled on the ground, just about here.
1995
01:36:42,555 --> 01:36:47,940
With, um, it was lying
with all four limbs
just spread on the ground.
1996
01:36:47,974 --> 01:36:50,563
All of its internal
body cavity was gone.
1997
01:36:50,597 --> 01:36:55,671
Um, it was completely
pretty well, all of its
muscles was gone
1998
01:36:55,706 --> 01:36:57,881
from the torso.
1999
01:36:57,915 --> 01:36:59,952
The legs were
still intact.
2000
01:36:59,986 --> 01:37:03,334
But the, one of the ears
was also gone.
2001
01:37:03,369 --> 01:37:05,509
So, they called NIDS.
2002
01:37:05,543 --> 01:37:08,650
[Narrator] The rancher placed
a call to the NIDS
investigators
2003
01:37:08,684 --> 01:37:09,893
who'd returned to Las Vegas
2004
01:37:09,927 --> 01:37:11,618
for a rare weekend off.
2005
01:37:11,653 --> 01:37:14,898
Within a few hours,
a four man team,
including a veterinarian,
2006
01:37:14,932 --> 01:37:16,658
was on the scene.
2007
01:37:16,692 --> 01:37:20,904
Necropsy started,
and the first thing
the veterinarian noticed
2008
01:37:20,938 --> 01:37:23,527
during the necropsy
was that the ear
of the animal
2009
01:37:23,561 --> 01:37:26,461
had been sliced off
with a very sharp
instrument.
2010
01:37:27,496 --> 01:37:28,877
Possibly a scalpel.
2011
01:37:28,912 --> 01:37:34,400
And the ear had contained
a very large plastic yellow,
um, tag.
2012
01:37:34,434 --> 01:37:36,885
Like, an ear tag,
2013
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,646
that they had just put on,
and it was gone.
2014
01:37:39,681 --> 01:37:42,684
So, uh, the necropsy proceeded.
2015
01:37:42,718 --> 01:37:46,481
Um, about ten feet
away from the animal,
there was a femur.
2016
01:37:46,515 --> 01:37:50,312
One of the femurs had been
forcibly ripped out of a ball
and socket joint,
2017
01:37:50,347 --> 01:37:53,039
which is extremely
difficult to do.
2018
01:37:53,074 --> 01:37:54,834
I mean, in terms
of strength.
2019
01:37:54,869 --> 01:37:57,285
It looked, initially,
you know, superficially,
2020
01:37:57,319 --> 01:38:01,220
like a massive predator
had just lain waste
to this animal.
2021
01:38:01,254 --> 01:38:04,775
Removed, you know,
60 pounds of meat
in 45 minutes.
2022
01:38:04,809 --> 01:38:07,812
Which, we don't know
if any predator that
could have done that.
2023
01:38:07,847 --> 01:38:10,712
[Narrator] And how
could a predator inflict
such carnage
2024
01:38:10,746 --> 01:38:14,992
without being seen
or heard by the rancher,
his wife or his dog?
2025
01:38:15,027 --> 01:38:17,961
Over a few hundred yards away, in the same field,
2026
01:38:17,995 --> 01:38:20,032
on what was a quiet
Sunday morning?
2027
01:38:20,066 --> 01:38:23,449
No four-legged predator
known to science
could do it.
2028
01:38:23,483 --> 01:38:26,038
The team gathered
tissue and bone samples
2029
01:38:26,072 --> 01:38:28,868
which were sent to three
independent pathology labs.
2030
01:38:28,903 --> 01:38:32,182
The results arrived later,
but confirmed what
seemed obvious
2031
01:38:32,216 --> 01:38:34,149
in the pasture that day.
2032
01:38:34,184 --> 01:38:38,291
The calf had been carved up
by someone wielding
sharp, metallic instruments.
2033
01:38:38,326 --> 01:38:42,399
A heavy machete-like object
had slammed into the bones.
2034
01:38:42,433 --> 01:38:46,541
A smaller scalpel-like knife
had sliced the hide
and muscle.
2035
01:38:46,575 --> 01:38:49,993
Closer inspection revealed
that it was definitely
sharp instruments.
2036
01:38:50,027 --> 01:38:52,788
There was no
sign of blood.
2037
01:38:52,823 --> 01:38:57,276
There was no sign
of entrails around.
It was perfectly clean.
2038
01:38:57,310 --> 01:38:59,002
Uh, not a drop
of blood on the grass,
2039
01:38:59,036 --> 01:39:02,419
We went even as far
as doing an experiment
by pouring blood on the grass
2040
01:39:02,453 --> 01:39:04,386
to see how fast
it would
seep through.
2041
01:39:04,421 --> 01:39:07,976
Videotaped the grass,
showed, you know,
even two days later.
2042
01:39:08,011 --> 01:39:12,325
you could still see the stain
on the grass, so, there was
no blood, whatsoever.
2043
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:15,673
Not a single drop, either,
underneath the animal,
on the animal,
2044
01:39:15,708 --> 01:39:19,022
or on the grass.
It was just
completely clean.
2045
01:39:19,056 --> 01:39:20,678
A professional tracker
was brought in.
2046
01:39:20,713 --> 01:39:24,165
He's covered every inch
of ground in and around
the field.
2047
01:39:24,199 --> 01:39:27,237
Looking for traps, humans,
animal or vehicle,
2048
01:39:27,271 --> 01:39:32,311
Nothing. Eventually,
the investigators reached
an unsettling conclusion.
2049
01:39:32,345 --> 01:39:35,935
The bottom line is,
this animal must have
been killed elsewhere.
2050
01:39:35,970 --> 01:39:38,765
Because there was no blood.
There was no blood on
the scene,
2051
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,251
and that... the animal
must have been
brought back
2052
01:39:41,285 --> 01:39:44,461
Laid down carefully,
almost, you know,
2053
01:39:44,495 --> 01:39:48,741
really almost richfully,
on the spot. Where
I had been tagged.
2054
01:39:48,775 --> 01:39:50,432
[Narrator] The NIDS team
2055
01:39:50,467 --> 01:39:52,779
investigated dozens
of mutilation cases
across the country.
2056
01:39:52,814 --> 01:39:56,542
Many of the tissue
samples were analyzed
in NIDS' own lab,
2057
01:39:56,576 --> 01:40:01,029
in Las Vegas. And then I doubled check by independent labs they hired.
2058
01:40:01,064 --> 01:40:03,721
The Uintah calf was
in a category all its own.
2059
01:40:03,756 --> 01:40:07,070
It seemed akin
to psychological
warfare,
2060
01:40:07,104 --> 01:40:09,934
intended to shock
and frighten
the witnesses.
2061
01:40:09,969 --> 01:40:12,109
The following night,
there was another scare
2062
01:40:12,144 --> 01:40:14,180
in the darkness
of the first homestead.
2063
01:40:14,215 --> 01:40:17,563
Shots were fired at something
that had rattled the herd.
2064
01:40:17,597 --> 01:40:21,256
Eventually, Colm Kelleher surmised that the perpetrators
2065
01:40:21,291 --> 01:40:24,121
responsible for the calf
were mechanical.
2066
01:40:24,156 --> 01:40:26,606
Like an assembly line
in a meat packing plant.
2067
01:40:26,641 --> 01:40:29,437
A machine was involved
with this carnage.
2068
01:40:29,471 --> 01:40:32,267
[Kelleher] Whatever
happened to that calf, um,
2069
01:40:32,302 --> 01:40:35,236
was an extraordinarily
skillful job.
2070
01:40:54,910 --> 01:40:59,018
[Man] Mutilations are clearly
one aspect we can put
our finger on.
2071
01:40:59,053 --> 01:41:01,676
That we can quantify
to a degree.
2072
01:41:01,710 --> 01:41:04,437
Physical evidence remains
after the event.
2073
01:41:04,472 --> 01:41:08,614
And we grasp to it,
in search of answers.
2074
01:41:08,648 --> 01:41:12,342
Who is performing
these horrific acts
of violence?
2075
01:41:12,376 --> 01:41:15,379
Are they meant
to unsettle us? Why?
2076
01:41:15,414 --> 01:41:18,658
And are there even
answers to be found
in these questions?
2077
01:41:20,246 --> 01:41:22,421
During the time
of the NIDS
investigations,
2078
01:41:22,455 --> 01:41:26,390
the phenomenon recorded
and documented was
more than elusive.
2079
01:41:26,425 --> 01:41:29,600
It never actually
repeated itself.
2080
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:31,982
From creatures to craft.
2081
01:41:32,016 --> 01:41:36,538
From disembodied voices
to trickster-like
paranormal activity,
2082
01:41:36,573 --> 01:41:39,714
it was a cosmic game
of cat and mouse.
2083
01:41:40,473 --> 01:41:42,613
Dark, shadowy
beams observed
2084
01:41:42,648 --> 01:41:46,583
climbing out of orange,
glowing geometric portals.
2085
01:41:46,617 --> 01:41:50,000
Silent craft carving out
chunks of tree branches
2086
01:41:50,034 --> 01:41:52,761
as they traverse
the landscape.
2087
01:41:52,796 --> 01:41:57,180
Geomagnetic anomalies
sending compasses
into tailspins.
2088
01:41:57,214 --> 01:41:59,872
Events indicating
a precognitive ability
2089
01:41:59,906 --> 01:42:05,291
by the phenomenon
to know the next move
of the investigators.
2090
01:42:05,326 --> 01:42:08,950
This area has been described
as a paranormal Disneyland.
2091
01:42:08,984 --> 01:42:13,575
If its weird, it's happened
in the Uintah Basin.
2092
01:42:13,610 --> 01:42:16,716
But by far, the most
constant theme in the area
2093
01:42:16,751 --> 01:42:19,926
has always remained
focused on UFOs.
2094
01:42:19,961 --> 01:42:24,517
Ships. Ships that appear
without discrimination.
2095
01:42:24,552 --> 01:42:27,451
But not just passive
UFO sightings.
2096
01:42:27,486 --> 01:42:29,902
Sightings that
are participatory.
2097
01:42:29,936 --> 01:42:33,871
Experiences that tend
to communicate
with observers,
2098
01:42:33,906 --> 01:42:36,702
interact with them.
2099
01:42:36,736 --> 01:42:40,395
It's been happening
in the area since
humans settled there.
2100
01:42:40,430 --> 01:42:42,777
And it continues
to this day.
2101
01:43:40,662 --> 01:43:44,804
[Interviewer] Why are you
keeping your identity secret?
2102
01:43:44,839 --> 01:43:48,670
[Confidential] [Voice distorted]
I have chosen to keep
my identity confidential
2103
01:43:48,705 --> 01:43:52,502
to not only protect
the integrity
of our efforts,
2104
01:43:52,536 --> 01:43:55,539
and to avoid distractions
2105
01:43:55,574 --> 01:43:58,680
that would potentially
compromise our efforts.
2106
01:43:58,715 --> 01:44:02,857
And also to maintain
a level of professionalism
2107
01:44:02,891 --> 01:44:07,241
in my other business
activities and enterprises.
2108
01:44:07,275 --> 01:44:11,348
I have a vast empire
of business interests
2109
01:44:11,383 --> 01:44:16,111
that I cannot allow
to be compromised
2110
01:44:16,146 --> 01:44:21,358
by virtue of any disclosure
of my involvement
in this effort.
2111
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:39,480
[interviewer] Everybody
wants to know what is going on
at the ranch now?
2112
01:44:39,514 --> 01:44:44,519
Have you continued
the research, and have you
amplified it?
2113
01:44:46,590 --> 01:44:51,388
We have entered
an entirely new
and expanded era
2114
01:44:51,423 --> 01:44:55,979
of scientific investigation
at Skinwalker Ranch.
2115
01:44:56,013 --> 01:44:59,638
Since acquiring the property
three years ago,
from Mr. Bigelow,
2116
01:44:59,672 --> 01:45:04,608
we've installed significant
security enhancements
2117
01:45:04,643 --> 01:45:09,061
in addition to scientific
instrumentation that
has allowed us
2118
01:45:09,095 --> 01:45:14,342
to not only better understand,
but also to better document
2119
01:45:14,377 --> 01:45:16,931
the high strangeness
and the anomalies
2120
01:45:16,965 --> 01:45:20,072
that have been reported
for decades, if not millennia.
2121
01:45:27,804 --> 01:45:30,116
[Kelleher] And wh...
that's right here
in the field.
2122
01:45:31,186 --> 01:45:32,360
[Confidential]
A solid craft.
2123
01:45:32,395 --> 01:45:33,706
[Kelleher] Wow.
2124
01:45:33,741 --> 01:45:37,469
[Confidential] And then,
this look familiar? Corral?
2125
01:45:37,503 --> 01:45:39,436
-We're looking
right up--
-[Kelleher] Where we're sitting.
2126
01:45:39,471 --> 01:45:40,541
[Confidential] Yep.
2127
01:45:42,232 --> 01:45:45,062
[Kelleher] Wow.
Millennium Falcon.
2128
01:45:45,097 --> 01:45:48,272
[Confidential] Exactly.
It looks, yeah,
the closest thing to it.
2129
01:45:48,307 --> 01:45:51,931
And this was one
of the most surprising
things that we recorded
2130
01:45:51,966 --> 01:45:55,763
right after I purchased
the ranch, was this image,
2131
01:45:55,797 --> 01:45:59,387
and again, according to all
of the flight data,
2132
01:45:59,422 --> 01:46:02,563
for the Uintah Basin
and Utah during that day,
2133
01:46:02,597 --> 01:46:06,705
There was no other,
commercial or private,
flight traffic.
2134
01:46:08,603 --> 01:46:13,953
Here's another craft
that was captured
over the ranch.
2135
01:46:13,988 --> 01:46:19,027
We've been recording
both seismic and infrasonic
activity in the area.
2136
01:46:19,062 --> 01:46:22,272
One thing we found
from our infrasonic studies,
2137
01:46:22,306 --> 01:46:25,896
there are unexplained signals.
2138
01:46:25,931 --> 01:46:29,244
Our chief scientist, it's like
nothing he's ever recorded,
2139
01:46:29,279 --> 01:46:31,799
the patterns he's found
on the ranch.
2140
01:46:31,833 --> 01:46:36,390
What I am most interested in
is what is so unique
about this property?
2141
01:46:36,424 --> 01:46:40,048
Why is this the center
of gravity for,
for the unexplained,
2142
01:46:40,083 --> 01:46:41,878
all sorts of high strangeness.
2143
01:46:41,912 --> 01:46:43,397
And, how far back?
2144
01:46:45,571 --> 01:46:49,057
So this is the first
of three observation towers.
2145
01:46:49,092 --> 01:46:54,097
Twenty years ago, Bob Bigelow
built them, and he built them
as big pens
2146
01:46:54,131 --> 01:46:55,788
and observation towers.
2147
01:46:55,823 --> 01:46:59,343
They put cattle, livestock
in the big pens,
2148
01:46:59,378 --> 01:47:03,002
to see if they would react,
as biosensors
2149
01:47:03,037 --> 01:47:07,421
to unseen activity,
because the scientists
2150
01:47:07,455 --> 01:47:11,390
were noticing things
that were more what
we would call predator-like,
2151
01:47:11,425 --> 01:47:14,428
they were camouflaged
to the helio effect.
2152
01:47:15,670 --> 01:47:18,086
This is a disturbing
part of the ranch.
2153
01:47:22,643 --> 01:47:25,611
It is the historic record
that really attests to the fact
2154
01:47:25,646 --> 01:47:28,580
that for some reason,
there have been
strange activities
2155
01:47:28,614 --> 01:47:29,926
recorded in this area.
2156
01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:33,757
Strange lights in the sky,
unidentified aerial craft.
2157
01:47:33,792 --> 01:47:38,417
Probably relations going back
to as early as 1920, 1930.
2158
01:47:38,452 --> 01:47:41,489
You see how remote
this is to a degree
out here, right now.
2159
01:47:41,524 --> 01:47:44,665
You can imagine
back in the 1920s, 1930s.
2160
01:48:02,752 --> 01:48:05,168
I still, and powerful,
I believe that
we're'e not alone.
2161
01:48:05,202 --> 01:48:07,101
And I don't think
there are any coincidences.
2162
01:48:07,135 --> 01:48:10,035
And that's the thing that
is scary about what we're
seeing here on the ranch.
2163
01:48:10,069 --> 01:48:13,556
When you have craft
turning about in the sky,
2164
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:15,799
that are not showing up
on any radar,
2165
01:48:15,834 --> 01:48:18,181
that are not
accounted for,
2166
01:48:18,215 --> 01:48:20,735
and things happening
to people,
2167
01:48:20,770 --> 01:48:22,668
that are beyond
their control,
2168
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:26,430
you think of the national
security implications.
2169
01:48:26,465 --> 01:48:31,090
It really does speak to the fact
that we don't, we don't
have any idea
2170
01:48:31,125 --> 01:48:33,023
really, what the true
nature of reality is--
2171
01:48:33,058 --> 01:48:37,545
If I had one right above
my head, then I could
hit it with a tennis ball.
2172
01:48:37,580 --> 01:48:39,513
-Yeah.
-And it was
a solid...
2173
01:48:39,547 --> 01:48:41,031
Yeah, it was solid.
2174
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:46,865
So you don't, you don't,
get anything
while you're here?
2175
01:48:46,899 --> 01:48:50,316
[Man] I feel great.
I'm impervious
to evil, man.
2176
01:48:50,351 --> 01:48:51,628
It's a thing
I got going.
2177
01:48:51,663 --> 01:48:54,424
-Oh, really?
-[laughs]
2178
01:48:54,458 --> 01:48:59,947
How'd you, how'd you
get that going for yourself,
being impervious to evil?
2179
01:48:59,981 --> 01:49:00,844
Genetics.
2180
01:49:22,038 --> 01:49:26,594
[Interviewer] What do you
have to say to people who think
this is not a real phenomenon?
2181
01:49:28,734 --> 01:49:30,080
They're delusional.
2182
01:49:34,084 --> 01:49:37,225
Anyone who does
their due diligence,
2183
01:49:38,123 --> 01:49:41,195
anyone who's a sincere
seeker of truth,
2184
01:49:42,886 --> 01:49:44,957
that actually will
listen to this,
2185
01:49:46,510 --> 01:49:50,722
will find that there is
absolute truth to what
is happening.
2186
01:49:51,654 --> 01:49:55,761
There is legitimacy,
and it is perhaps,
2187
01:49:55,796 --> 01:49:58,626
the most important
scientific effort
of our time.
2188
01:50:04,287 --> 01:50:05,944
The game has changed.
2189
01:50:17,887 --> 01:50:22,098
Does this bring back memories
to your first trip to the ranch?
2190
01:50:22,132 --> 01:50:25,170
Well, yeah, I mean,
the only other time
we did this was the first trip,
2191
01:50:25,204 --> 01:50:27,379
that we ever made here,
and we built the fire
2192
01:50:27,413 --> 01:50:31,555
and made a bunch of noise,
and did kind of, kind of things
that this group has been doing
2193
01:50:31,590 --> 01:50:33,834
today and yesterday
and tried to, uh,
2194
01:50:33,868 --> 01:50:36,043
attract the attention
of something.
2195
01:50:36,077 --> 01:50:38,286
It didn't work,
and you know, uh,
2196
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:42,256
whatever that's here,
it plays by its own rules.
2197
01:50:42,290 --> 01:50:45,466
It shows you
what it wants to,
when it wants to.
2198
01:50:45,500 --> 01:50:48,676
And for NIDS, when they came in,
they came in like gang-busters.
2199
01:50:48,711 --> 01:50:53,025
They end up bringing
a lot of technical expertise
and equipment,
2200
01:50:53,060 --> 01:50:56,442
scientific measuring equipment,
to try to figure out
what's out here,
2201
01:50:56,477 --> 01:51:01,378
But the phenomena itself
always seemed to be one step
ahead of, of the team
2202
01:51:01,413 --> 01:51:03,277
that was trying
to figure it out.
2203
01:51:03,311 --> 01:51:07,281
Whatever is here,
it toys with whomever
is trying to figure it out.
2204
01:51:07,315 --> 01:51:10,871
I mean, it plays games
and messes with your mind.
2205
01:51:10,905 --> 01:51:13,045
It seems to know
what you're gonna do
before you do it.
2206
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:17,360
And it gives you glimpses
only when you don't expect it,
and you're not ready for it.
2207
01:51:17,394 --> 01:51:20,432
There's a suggestion
from what's here, is,
all this different phenomena,
2208
01:51:20,466 --> 01:51:22,814
that you wouldn't normally
associate with each other,
2209
01:51:22,848 --> 01:51:25,955
UFOs and poltergeists,
poltergeists and Big Foot,
2210
01:51:25,989 --> 01:51:29,406
Big Foot and cattle mutilations,
all those things in one place,
2211
01:51:29,441 --> 01:51:32,547
it's almost like it's telling us
they're all related
on some level,
2212
01:51:32,582 --> 01:51:35,102
and it's up to you
to figure it out.
2213
01:51:35,136 --> 01:51:37,760
I've been out here,
you know, a number
of times with you,
2214
01:51:37,794 --> 01:51:41,591
and I wanted to have
an experience that was not good,
to be honest with you.
2215
01:51:41,625 --> 01:51:45,353
I did, because I wanted to see
for myself, but I've only had
really good experiences.
2216
01:51:45,388 --> 01:51:48,840
So I tried to trick myself
into feeling, like, "Ooh,
something's terrifying."
2217
01:51:48,874 --> 01:51:50,911
But, I've just
felt good.
2218
01:51:50,945 --> 01:51:53,741
You didn't expect
to see anything,
but be cool if you did.
2219
01:51:53,776 --> 01:51:56,917
If it was just scary,
I can deal with that.
2220
01:51:56,951 --> 01:51:59,057
But I have a hitchhiker,
2221
01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:03,371
that comes on
and takes me over,
2222
01:52:03,406 --> 01:52:06,478
I... I couldn't deal with that.
So I'm scared of that.
2223
01:52:06,512 --> 01:52:08,929
But we do have
a saying in England,
2224
01:52:08,963 --> 01:52:11,552
and it's "In for a penny,
in for a pound."
2225
01:52:11,586 --> 01:52:15,107
I'm here, so, I might as well,
and I survived the last one.
2226
01:52:15,142 --> 01:52:17,972
I don't know if I can afford
any more hitchhikers.
2227
01:52:18,628 --> 01:52:20,388
So, say that
out loud,
2228
01:52:20,423 --> 01:52:22,943
-to the hitchhikers
of the galaxy.
-[man laughing]
2229
01:52:22,977 --> 01:52:24,772
Don't come home
with me.
2230
01:52:24,807 --> 01:52:25,877
We all talk about evidence.
2231
01:52:25,911 --> 01:52:27,154
What is evidence to you?
2232
01:52:27,188 --> 01:52:29,259
Is evidence a photograph?
Is it a video?
2233
01:52:29,294 --> 01:52:32,021
A lot of what I have
is witness testimony.
2234
01:52:32,055 --> 01:52:34,540
Witness testimony
is evidence.
2235
01:52:34,575 --> 01:52:37,785
So, my question is,
does there become
a point where,
2236
01:52:37,820 --> 01:52:41,996
testimony becomes so weighty
that it just has value?
2237
01:52:42,031 --> 01:52:44,930
Well, witness testimony
is what got me into this.
2238
01:52:44,965 --> 01:52:47,484
I mean, Admirals,
Generals, pilots,
2239
01:52:47,519 --> 01:52:49,797
I mean, that's what
initially got me
into this stuff.
2240
01:52:49,832 --> 01:52:52,317
So, yes, that
has weight.
2241
01:52:52,351 --> 01:52:57,563
But, what I'd love to see,
you know, a portal open up,
right there.
2242
01:52:59,013 --> 01:53:00,774
Yeah, I really would.
2243
01:53:00,808 --> 01:53:03,846
It's just, I've got
the point where
I don't have the luxury
2244
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:05,295
of disbelief anymore.
2245
01:53:05,330 --> 01:53:08,989
I don't know what that means.
It doesn't mean I know anything.
2246
01:53:09,023 --> 01:53:11,923
I just don't have
the luxury of disbelief.
2247
01:53:11,957 --> 01:53:17,031
[Williams] If I'm honest,
I should not have the luxury
to disbelieve, either.
2248
01:53:17,066 --> 01:53:19,758
I believe this other stuff.
There, I've said it.
2249
01:53:19,793 --> 01:53:23,106
You know, I always try
and qualify that with,
"But I'm not sure,
2250
01:53:23,141 --> 01:53:27,007
'cause I might be crazy,
and don't worry about me,
I'm just an idiot," you know.
2251
01:53:27,041 --> 01:53:30,424
Uh, but you know,
I do believe.
2252
01:53:35,498 --> 01:53:38,846
So I guess I just wanna
hear a little bit, you know,
from George.
2253
01:53:38,881 --> 01:53:41,538
Why do you want
this out, now?
2254
01:53:41,573 --> 01:53:46,026
The universe is more mysterious,
and wondrous and complicated
than we imagined.
2255
01:53:46,060 --> 01:53:48,822
Reality is more complicated
than what it might seem.
2256
01:53:49,236 --> 01:53:50,271
Full stop?
2257
01:53:52,687 --> 01:53:53,550
Yeah.
2258
01:53:58,141 --> 01:54:01,593
I thought that coming in
about six years ago,
2259
01:54:01,627 --> 01:54:04,734
that if we
essentially threw
2260
01:54:04,768 --> 01:54:07,392
personnel and equipment
at this problem,
2261
01:54:07,426 --> 01:54:10,429
on this property
as well as elsewhere,
2262
01:54:10,464 --> 01:54:13,260
and if we, you know,
we really pulled out
the stops
2263
01:54:13,294 --> 01:54:17,781
in terms of chemical analysis, that we'd probably would get answers.
2264
01:54:17,816 --> 01:54:20,784
But, any answers
that we've got
2265
01:54:20,819 --> 01:54:22,890
don't seem to fit
the overall thinking.
2266
01:54:22,925 --> 01:54:26,411
And I'm thinking
mostly of the kinds
of chemical analysis
2267
01:54:26,445 --> 01:54:29,552
that have been carried out
on the UFO artifacts,
2268
01:54:29,586 --> 01:54:33,211
as well as some
of the preliminary
chemical analysis
2269
01:54:33,245 --> 01:54:35,178
we've done on
the mutilations.
2270
01:54:36,421 --> 01:54:40,528
I don't think that there's
an iota of evidence
2271
01:54:40,563 --> 01:54:45,844
from any of that stuff
that really nails
the extraterrestrial thing.
2272
01:54:45,879 --> 01:54:51,194
Um, there's really
no strong evidence
that it's extraterrestrial.
2273
01:54:51,229 --> 01:54:55,267
That has kind of,
that's the fly
in the ointment.
2274
01:54:55,302 --> 01:54:59,444
It's really against
the predictions,
that's counter-intuitive.
2275
01:55:01,239 --> 01:55:05,070
If anything, that has
created more questions
2276
01:55:05,105 --> 01:55:07,486
than I originally had
coming into this
whole thing.
2277
01:55:11,490 --> 01:55:14,597
Essentially, the ranch
became a testing ground,
2278
01:55:14,631 --> 01:55:19,291
a proving ground, if you will,
applying the scientific method.
2279
01:55:19,326 --> 01:55:22,708
This team, this group of multidisciplinary scientists,
2280
01:55:22,743 --> 01:55:25,056
both on the staff
and the science
advisory board,
2281
01:55:25,090 --> 01:55:28,507
do attempt to solve the problem using the scientific method.
2282
01:55:28,542 --> 01:55:30,061
And we couldn't do it.
2283
01:55:33,823 --> 01:55:37,861
The scientific method
is not amenable
to these kind of problems.
2284
01:55:37,896 --> 01:55:40,036
It is not
that malleable.
2285
01:55:40,071 --> 01:55:44,489
It's not that flexible
to be able to apply easily
to a problem such as this,
2286
01:55:44,523 --> 01:55:46,249
which is non-repeatable.
2287
01:55:46,284 --> 01:55:50,288
Everytime a phenomena occurs,
it's not always same one
as before.
2288
01:55:50,322 --> 01:55:52,566
It's always something new, and always something different.
2289
01:55:55,845 --> 01:55:59,297
The phenomena
was playing with us.
2290
01:55:59,331 --> 01:56:04,336
Giving us only a taste
here and there,
of various things.
2291
01:56:06,235 --> 01:56:10,653
An opportunity to see
things that were abnormal.
2292
01:56:10,687 --> 01:56:16,797
Uh, opportunity to cause
examinations upon
performances of things
2293
01:56:16,831 --> 01:56:18,247
that were very unique,
2294
01:56:18,281 --> 01:56:22,044
through certain pathological
kinds of investigations.
2295
01:56:24,253 --> 01:56:26,669
The performances
didn't repeat themselves.
2296
01:56:26,703 --> 01:56:30,259
[stuttering] Each time
there would be a performance
of a sort,
2297
01:56:30,293 --> 01:56:32,261
there was always
some unique pattern
2298
01:56:32,295 --> 01:56:34,884
There was something
that was always changed.
2299
01:56:34,918 --> 01:56:39,613
So we would be prepared,
that if this thing, this type
of event happened again,
2300
01:56:39,647 --> 01:56:43,479
we know what to do.
Well, that exact same event
never happened again.
2301
01:56:43,513 --> 01:56:45,653
It would always
be something
completely different.
2302
01:56:47,966 --> 01:56:51,038
Everytime we would
come up with, uh...
2303
01:56:51,073 --> 01:56:55,801
some method
of observation
or calibration,
2304
01:56:58,804 --> 01:57:02,463
it seemed that, uh,
we were always
out-guessed.
2305
01:57:15,097 --> 01:57:20,136
It became obvious that
[clears throat] we obviously
weren't the ones in control.
2306
01:57:20,171 --> 01:57:22,276
We were along
for the ride.
2307
01:57:22,311 --> 01:57:26,556
And that a lot of these
exhibitions were,
exhibitions.
2308
01:57:26,591 --> 01:57:32,838
For gamesmanship
or instruction, um...
2309
01:57:32,873 --> 01:57:34,840
you know, in that
kind of context.
2310
01:57:52,203 --> 01:57:55,033
[Man] People say
secrets can't be kept.
2311
01:57:55,068 --> 01:57:57,518
They're full of shit,
as secrets can be kept.
2312
01:57:57,553 --> 01:58:00,590
Secrets are kept.
Big secrets.
2313
01:58:00,625 --> 01:58:05,008
[Man 2] It took two decades
for this story to even begin
to open up.
2314
01:58:05,043 --> 01:58:09,496
And what's most interesting
is, how it relates
to what's happening now.
2315
01:58:10,945 --> 01:58:11,843
[radio static]
2316
01:58:11,877 --> 01:58:12,740
[Man speaking]
2317
01:58:22,129 --> 01:58:25,132
[indistinct chatter
and cheering]
2318
01:58:35,556 --> 01:58:36,868
Oh, my gosh!
2319
01:58:48,259 --> 01:58:52,539
[Interviewer] What is the link
between the current releases
by the Department of Defense
2320
01:58:52,573 --> 01:58:55,818
using the New York Times
to get out two videos,
now three.
2321
01:58:55,852 --> 01:58:58,786
What is the connection
between that and the ranch?
2322
01:58:58,821 --> 01:59:00,719
So, it's kind of a long
and winding road.
2323
01:59:00,754 --> 01:59:03,826
With a lot of acronyms
involved, but here's
the basics.
2324
01:59:03,860 --> 01:59:07,830
December 2017,
the New York Times
breaks a story
2325
01:59:07,864 --> 01:59:11,661
about the existence
of a secret UFO program
in the Pentagon.
2326
01:59:11,696 --> 01:59:14,906
And while many of us
have long suspected
they had something going,
2327
01:59:14,940 --> 01:59:16,149
we didn't know
exactly what it was.
2328
01:59:16,183 --> 01:59:18,185
Well, turns out,
its something
called ATIP.
2329
01:59:18,220 --> 01:59:21,154
Advanced Aerospace Threat
Identification Program.
2330
01:59:21,188 --> 01:59:25,848
A guy named Luis Elizondo
comes forward, he says he's
the point man for this program.
2331
01:59:25,882 --> 01:59:30,232
In addition, we learned that
there was a contract given out,
and it involved BAASS.
2332
01:59:30,266 --> 01:59:32,026
Bigelow Aerospace
Advanced Space,
2333
01:59:32,061 --> 01:59:34,443
within Bigelow Aerospace
here in Las Vegas.
2334
01:59:34,477 --> 01:59:37,963
And that a study
had been conducted,
$22 million,
2335
01:59:37,998 --> 01:59:41,277
and that part of that study
focused on Skinwalker Ranch.
2336
01:59:41,312 --> 01:59:45,039
A lot of people assumed
that ATIP and BAASS
were almost synonymous.
2337
01:59:45,074 --> 01:59:48,422
That the money for ATIP
and BAASS came from
the same pot.
2338
01:59:48,457 --> 01:59:51,770
That it was the same program.
Fact is, it wasn't.
2339
01:59:51,805 --> 01:59:55,153
What was, BAASS
was involved with
something else.
2340
01:59:55,188 --> 01:59:57,742
BAASS was under
a much larger program,
2341
01:59:57,776 --> 02:00:00,296
the existence of which
has not been made
public yet.
2342
02:00:00,331 --> 02:00:02,471
But BAASS was not
part of ATIP.
2343
02:00:02,505 --> 02:00:04,611
ATIP did communicate
with BAASS.
2344
02:00:04,645 --> 02:00:06,923
There was exchange
of information
back and forth.
2345
02:00:06,958 --> 02:00:09,788
But it wasn't ATIP
that went to the ranch.
It was somebody else.
2346
02:00:09,823 --> 02:00:13,482
BAASS investigators
went to the property,
investigated it,
2347
02:00:13,516 --> 02:00:15,587
interviewed witnesses,
collected evidence,
2348
02:00:15,622 --> 02:00:17,796
much like NIDS had done before.
2349
02:00:17,831 --> 02:00:20,074
National Institute
for Discovery Science,
2350
02:00:20,109 --> 02:00:24,182
which while many people
suspected it was a government
program, was not.
2351
02:00:24,217 --> 02:00:26,011
It was completely funded
by Bob Bigelow.
2352
02:00:26,046 --> 02:00:28,842
He bought the property.
He hired the people
to be there.
2353
02:00:28,876 --> 02:00:32,363
Uh, he conducted studies
for more than a decade.
2354
02:00:32,397 --> 02:00:36,056
He owned the ranch
for 20 years, and sold it
in 2016.
2355
02:00:36,090 --> 02:00:39,577
NIDS was private.
BAASS was public.
2356
02:00:39,611 --> 02:00:41,993
And that it was funded
by taxpayer money.
2357
02:00:42,027 --> 02:00:46,549
And that came from a program
whose name has not yet
been made public.
2358
02:00:50,484 --> 02:00:53,384
[Interviewer speaking]
2359
02:00:55,593 --> 02:00:58,975
If you're asking,
did we crack the mystery?
The answer is no.
2360
02:00:59,010 --> 02:01:01,254
No, it's very frustrating
for the scientists,
2361
02:01:01,288 --> 02:01:02,979
both the NIDS guys
and the BAASS guys.
2362
02:01:03,014 --> 02:01:06,466
And I think any other agency
that's been involved
in the study.
2363
02:01:06,500 --> 02:01:08,882
We don't have an answer
to how it works.
2364
02:01:08,916 --> 02:01:10,263
We know that it is real.
2365
02:01:10,297 --> 02:01:14,094
And it's mysterious,
and it's documentable.
And it's physical.
2366
02:01:14,128 --> 02:01:15,440
And sometimes,
it's not physical.
2367
02:01:15,475 --> 02:01:18,719
Sometimes it appears
almost like a hologram,
and, uh,
2368
02:01:18,754 --> 02:01:21,274
and it's a, it's
a trickster,
and it's elusive.
2369
02:01:21,308 --> 02:01:22,689
And is clearly
intelligent.
2370
02:01:22,723 --> 02:01:24,932
But we don't know
what it is.
2371
02:01:24,967 --> 02:01:27,487
Or where it's from,
or what its intentions are.
2372
02:01:27,521 --> 02:01:29,868
Does it mean to harm us?
Sometimes, it does harm us.
2373
02:01:29,903 --> 02:01:32,975
Part of what the BAASS study did, it evaluated, uh,
2374
02:01:33,009 --> 02:01:34,425
databases from around the world,
2375
02:01:34,459 --> 02:01:37,151
including some very dramatic
cases from other countries
2376
02:01:37,186 --> 02:01:42,398
where humans were,
faced significant harm.
Physical harm.
2377
02:01:42,433 --> 02:01:45,712
And there have been some
reports about it
in the Uintah Basin as well,
2378
02:01:45,746 --> 02:01:48,162
where people were harmed
after encountering
these things.
2379
02:01:48,197 --> 02:01:51,062
Could some of them
be government?
I think the answer is yes.
2380
02:01:51,096 --> 02:01:53,823
Are all of them government?
I'd say the answer is no.
2381
02:01:53,858 --> 02:01:56,654
You know, I try to prepare
myself for these trips
that we make,
2382
02:01:56,688 --> 02:01:59,657
and I'm respectful
of whatever it is
that's there,
2383
02:01:59,691 --> 02:02:02,453
and I don't want to take
anything home to any
loved ones, but,
2384
02:02:02,487 --> 02:02:05,835
most of the people
who've gone there
as many times as we have,
2385
02:02:05,870 --> 02:02:09,045
have taken something
with them. And, uh,
I don't want that to happen.
2386
02:02:24,958 --> 02:02:27,788
[Corbell] We still
don't know what
we're dealing with.
2387
02:02:29,031 --> 02:02:30,032
And that's the truth of it.
2388
02:02:32,241 --> 02:02:35,658
Big questions,
disturbing answers.
2389
02:02:44,357 --> 02:02:48,499
It sounds crazy,
but, in reality.
2390
02:02:48,533 --> 02:02:50,604
these events happen.
2391
02:02:50,639 --> 02:02:53,158
It's hard. [stuttering]
It's your problem.
2392
02:02:54,194 --> 02:02:56,092
You have to grapple
with that.
2393
02:02:56,127 --> 02:02:58,336
These events happen.
2394
02:02:58,371 --> 02:03:01,028
And so, that's
everybody's challenge,
is to,
2395
02:03:01,063 --> 02:03:05,378
try to absorb
and integrate
that information
2396
02:03:06,344 --> 02:03:08,450
or deny it.
Or ridicule it.
2397
02:03:08,484 --> 02:03:11,107
That's what people
like to do.
But these events happen.
2398
02:03:12,971 --> 02:03:16,285
There is a real mystery here,
and I believe mysteries
2399
02:03:16,319 --> 02:03:19,840
have solutions.
I believe we can get
at least closer to the truth.
2400
02:03:25,225 --> 02:03:26,088
I don't know, man.
2401
02:03:29,781 --> 02:03:32,335
Are we alone
in the universe?
2402
02:03:32,370 --> 02:03:36,719
This intelligence
that seems to be
interacting with humanity,
2403
02:03:36,754 --> 02:03:39,964
what is it?
What... What
is its purpose?
2404
02:03:39,998 --> 02:03:42,760
These are real, tangible,
physical events.
2405
02:03:42,794 --> 02:03:44,934
But sometimes,
it's, it's like
a mirage.
2406
02:03:46,626 --> 02:03:49,525
Nobody knows
what we're
dealing with.
2407
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:52,873
That's the bottom line.
Nobody knows.
2408
02:03:52,908 --> 02:03:56,946
It's our job
to investigate
the unexplained.
2409
02:03:56,981 --> 02:03:59,708
Not to explain
the uninvestigated.
2410
02:04:06,887 --> 02:04:08,233
[indistinct background chatter]
2411
02:04:36,676 --> 02:04:38,747
[woman]
Could a truck do that?
I don't think it...
2412
02:04:38,781 --> 02:04:40,507
[man] Oh, it's
not a truck.
2413
02:04:43,545 --> 02:04:44,925
[woman]
There's no
road up there.
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