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Can I do something? 15 00:00:56,140 --> 00:00:57,920 It's more of a doctor-patient thing. 16 00:00:57,940 --> 00:00:59,479 Definitely don't want me handling that stuff. 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:00,899 - I'll talk to him. - Thank you, Jerry. 18 00:01:00,900 --> 00:01:03,079 Will you make sure your mom's memorized on what she's saying? 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,139 I don't want her getting distracted 20 00:01:04,140 --> 00:01:07,375 - with lights, camera, action. - Yeah. 21 00:01:07,390 --> 00:01:10,180 Two reasons why patients normally present 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,923 to their doctors for pain related to the spine. 23 00:01:12,940 --> 00:01:16,050 The first is related to the peripheral nervous system. 24 00:01:16,070 --> 00:01:17,971 That's called radiculopathy. 25 00:01:17,990 --> 00:01:19,893 Now, normally, that type of pain is associated 26 00:01:19,910 --> 00:01:21,660 - with depression or with... - Yo, Chris. 27 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,813 - ... degenerative changes in... - Cut. 28 00:01:23,814 --> 00:01:25,563 [SIGHS] 29 00:01:25,580 --> 00:01:29,740 Okay, um, let's take a break. 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,858 Knock out the patient's portion. Come back. 31 00:01:31,870 --> 00:01:33,109 Good idea. 32 00:01:35,010 --> 00:01:37,364 Fuck me. 33 00:01:37,380 --> 00:01:39,020 I am so sorry. 34 00:01:40,620 --> 00:01:44,340 You're looking good. Feeling good? 35 00:01:47,300 --> 00:01:49,120 I thought it'd be more professional. 36 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,500 Tell me what needs fixing, Chrissy, anything. 37 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:55,940 Kim's all over it. 38 00:01:57,780 --> 00:02:01,840 I know you're in the zone, but Sarah wants to talk to you. 39 00:02:01,860 --> 00:02:05,353 Janet's daughter. Our patient? 40 00:02:05,370 --> 00:02:07,520 Oh, yeah, that's fine. 41 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:12,980 Hey. Dr. Duntsch, how can I help you? 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,760 Hi, Dr. Duntsch. 43 00:02:14,780 --> 00:02:18,821 I noticed something in my mom's scar. 44 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,040 Like, blue peeking out, like a piece of sponge. 45 00:02:23,070 --> 00:02:26,790 So I got some tweezers and... 46 00:02:28,100 --> 00:02:31,150 Oh, wow. You should not have done that. 47 00:02:31,170 --> 00:02:32,840 Oh, my God. What did I do? 48 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:36,723 No, it's just a stitch. It's fine, but... look, you should call me 49 00:02:36,740 --> 00:02:39,100 before you go digging around in there again, okay? 50 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,886 - I did call a few times. - Quiet on set. 51 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:43,520 - [SHUSHES] - You ready, Jenny? 52 00:02:43,540 --> 00:02:47,820 Should I tell my own story? Because this isn't my story. 53 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,620 Janet, you look great today. 54 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:54,691 Thank you so much for doing this. 55 00:02:54,710 --> 00:02:57,110 [WHISPERING] 56 00:02:57,130 --> 00:02:59,520 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 57 00:02:59,540 --> 00:03:01,480 You did good. 58 00:03:05,230 --> 00:03:06,520 [QUIETLY] Yeah. 59 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,500 Roll camera. And action. 60 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,508 Dr. Duntsch is one great man. 61 00:03:21,540 --> 00:03:25,638 He is the best doctor I think that you could ever go to, 62 00:03:25,650 --> 00:03:29,350 and if you're having the problems that I had, 63 00:03:29,370 --> 00:03:35,898 you know, give him a call because he'll fix you. 64 00:03:40,194 --> 00:03:44,157 - Synced & corrected by MementMori - -- www.addic7ed.com -- 65 00:03:44,170 --> 00:03:46,370 - _ - No God damn way. 66 00:03:46,390 --> 00:03:47,750 - Mr. Duntsch... - Doctor. 67 00:03:47,770 --> 00:03:49,399 I don't think you appreciate the position you're in. 68 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,020 - Doctor. - Dr. Duntsch, 69 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,739 I don't think you appreciate the position you're in. 70 00:03:53,740 --> 00:03:55,620 No, I don't. 71 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,280 I do not appreciate being locked up in a cage 72 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:01,843 like a dog for a year and a half. 73 00:04:01,860 --> 00:04:03,679 And I certainly do not appreciate you telling me 74 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,700 that my best bet going forward 75 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,320 is not just to fire your asses and hire real lawyers, 76 00:04:08,340 --> 00:04:09,640 but to ask for a continuance. 77 00:04:09,660 --> 00:04:12,768 I need to find someone to testify on your behalf. 78 00:04:12,780 --> 00:04:14,540 Put me on the stand. 79 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,440 If anybody else tries to describe what it is 80 00:04:16,460 --> 00:04:18,651 that I do or how I do it, 81 00:04:18,670 --> 00:04:20,519 they're just gonna end up looking like a bunch of jerks. 82 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,000 See, that right there is why you can't take the stand. 83 00:04:24,020 --> 00:04:25,743 You're emotionally driven. 84 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,830 And when you're emotional, you can't control what you say. 85 00:04:30,940 --> 00:04:32,997 [LAUGHS] 86 00:04:36,070 --> 00:04:38,340 [GRUNTS] 87 00:04:39,580 --> 00:04:41,250 [LAUGHS SOFTLY] 88 00:04:41,260 --> 00:04:43,716 Try me. 89 00:04:43,730 --> 00:04:45,844 [SOFT TENSE MUSIC] 90 00:04:45,860 --> 00:04:48,137 ♪ ♪ 91 00:04:48,150 --> 00:04:49,850 [SIGHS] 92 00:04:52,220 --> 00:04:55,330 You are a drug-and alcohol-addicted surgeon 93 00:04:55,350 --> 00:04:57,650 who was too impaired to perform surgeries. 94 00:04:57,670 --> 00:04:58,948 Allegedly. None of that was... 95 00:04:58,949 --> 00:05:01,817 Like a drunk driver, which, by the way, 96 00:05:01,820 --> 00:05:03,861 - you have on your record, Mr. Duntsch. - Doctor. 97 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,072 No, you're no longer a doctor. 98 00:05:06,090 --> 00:05:08,699 - You had your license stripped. - Temporarily. 99 00:05:08,710 --> 00:05:10,380 Not if we have anything to do with it. 100 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,950 And how about that email? 101 00:05:11,970 --> 00:05:14,961 The one in which you're prepared to become a cold-blooded killer. 102 00:05:14,980 --> 00:05:16,429 I never meant for that to be taken literally... 103 00:05:16,430 --> 00:05:17,625 You wrote it. 104 00:05:17,630 --> 00:05:19,580 So it was just a coincidence 105 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,940 that you wrote that email to your lover, 106 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,013 who also happens to be your assistant, 107 00:05:24,030 --> 00:05:26,303 just prior to killing or maiming over 33 patients? 108 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,530 It's not my fault! 109 00:05:27,540 --> 00:05:29,220 The anesthesiologists and the nurses 110 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,888 and the fat fucking patients... 111 00:05:37,550 --> 00:05:39,760 [SIGHS] 112 00:05:39,780 --> 00:05:44,783 Fire me, but know whoever slides into this seat 113 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,988 is gonna tell you a version of the same thing. 114 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,660 I am trying to keep you 115 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,242 from spending the rest of your life in prison. 116 00:05:54,860 --> 00:05:56,720 I don't want to. 117 00:05:56,740 --> 00:05:58,579 You've got my deposition, and you've got my records. 118 00:05:58,580 --> 00:05:59,980 I don't have anything more to give. 119 00:06:00,010 --> 00:06:02,128 The judge ruled you have to testify in front... 120 00:06:02,140 --> 00:06:03,369 How could the emails not be true? 121 00:06:03,370 --> 00:06:04,380 He sent them to me. 122 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:05,591 The defense has a right 123 00:06:05,610 --> 00:06:08,050 to cross-examine you and confirm that. 124 00:06:08,070 --> 00:06:11,103 [SOFT UNEASY MUSIC] 125 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:17,852 ♪ ♪ 126 00:06:17,870 --> 00:06:20,820 You know, I thought the other side of the world was far enough. 127 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:29,260 They don't want me there because of the emails. 128 00:06:31,540 --> 00:06:34,840 They wanna know about us, about our relationship. 129 00:06:37,460 --> 00:06:40,040 [SNIFFLES] 130 00:06:40,060 --> 00:06:41,792 [SIGHS] What are they gonna ask? 131 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,260 If it were me, 132 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:47,900 I would remind them as often as I could 133 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,933 that you two were sleeping together 134 00:06:49,940 --> 00:06:51,700 to establish a conflict of interest. 135 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,804 You mean to call me a whore who can't be trusted? 136 00:06:53,820 --> 00:06:57,099 I know you're trying to leave this all behind, Ms. Morgan, 137 00:06:57,110 --> 00:06:59,460 but there's only one way to do that. 138 00:07:01,340 --> 00:07:02,560 [SIGHS DEEPLY] 139 00:07:02,580 --> 00:07:04,982 This is hostile. She's being hostile. 140 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,400 Do you need her to testify? 141 00:07:06,420 --> 00:07:09,445 I do if I wanna introduce that email. 142 00:07:09,460 --> 00:07:11,100 Can you prove your case without the email? 143 00:07:11,110 --> 00:07:13,020 Precedent-setting is precedent-setting, 144 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,201 Dr. Henderson. No one's ever done this before. 145 00:07:15,220 --> 00:07:17,420 Gotta assume every little bit helps. 146 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,000 She's been through enough. 147 00:07:19,020 --> 00:07:20,549 What the hell are you talking about, Bob? 148 00:07:20,550 --> 00:07:22,480 She was in the O.R. She was in the consult. 149 00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:24,173 She had to know what was going on. 150 00:07:24,190 --> 00:07:26,053 You ask me, she hasn't been through enough. 151 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:29,013 What about questioning his training and the investments? 152 00:07:29,030 --> 00:07:31,592 And we have the hospitals moving him around. What? What? 153 00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:33,380 We brought charges of elder abuse. 154 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:34,780 The only way to prove that 155 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,440 is to prove that he was trained well 156 00:07:36,460 --> 00:07:37,860 and that he knew what he was doing, 157 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,518 the whole time, he knew he was going to harm her. 158 00:07:40,530 --> 00:07:41,610 Well, what about the drugs? 159 00:07:41,620 --> 00:07:43,023 That would be helpful, but... 160 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,151 Fine, fantastic. Drag Kayla Gibson in here. 161 00:07:45,170 --> 00:07:47,780 Unless Ms. Gibson knew he was high and was with him 162 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,361 in surgery that day, it's inadmissible. 163 00:07:50,380 --> 00:07:52,363 - This is ridiculous. - No, it's not. 164 00:07:52,380 --> 00:07:55,831 You came to me to help you stop Duntsch. 165 00:07:55,850 --> 00:07:57,201 We have to choose. 166 00:07:57,220 --> 00:07:58,500 If he's our goal, 167 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,671 then we have to focus on him and only him. 168 00:08:01,690 --> 00:08:03,840 [TENSE MUSIC] 169 00:08:03,860 --> 00:08:06,043 State, call your first witness. 170 00:08:06,060 --> 00:08:07,060 Drew Sweeney. 171 00:08:07,070 --> 00:08:08,462 - Joe Padua. - Harold Brennan. 172 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,553 - Earl Burke. - Elaine Johnson. 173 00:08:10,570 --> 00:08:11,590 Henry Aldrich. 174 00:08:11,610 --> 00:08:13,509 - Cindy Tremblay. - Stan Novak. 175 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,643 Would you tell us a little about yourself? 176 00:08:15,660 --> 00:08:17,474 I'm 41. 177 00:08:17,490 --> 00:08:21,058 I work for the Collin County Medical Examiner's Office. 178 00:08:21,070 --> 00:08:22,560 I worked for a pool company. 179 00:08:22,580 --> 00:08:26,024 My wife, Shelley, was an elementary education teacher. 180 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,571 Dorothy and I were married 46 years. 181 00:08:28,590 --> 00:08:31,402 Two kids, nine grandkids. 182 00:08:31,420 --> 00:08:33,946 Commercial construction project manager. 183 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,781 Started driving trucks in '98. 184 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,123 Two children... both had better be in school right now. 185 00:08:38,140 --> 00:08:39,952 I'm an air conditioner contractor. 186 00:08:39,970 --> 00:08:43,205 What were your symptoms prior to seeing Dr. Duntsch? 187 00:08:43,220 --> 00:08:45,583 - Light back pain. - Lower back pain. 188 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,376 We were decorating the Christmas tree, 189 00:08:47,390 --> 00:08:48,711 and Shelley missed a rung. 190 00:08:48,730 --> 00:08:52,500 - Neck pain. - Pain in the neck and numb pinky. 191 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:53,549 Numbness. 192 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:55,301 - Tingling in my finger. - Back pain. 193 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,428 Hard to be a mom when you can't pick anything up. 194 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,420 Broke my back. Motorcycle accident. 195 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,808 How did you hear about Dr. Duntsch? 196 00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:04,351 - My doctor. - Family doctor. 197 00:09:04,370 --> 00:09:06,064 Website called Best Docs. 198 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,273 Baylor Medical website. Five stars. 199 00:09:08,290 --> 00:09:10,340 Seemed like he knew what he was talking about. 200 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,740 He told us he was gonna fix her. 201 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,451 That's all we needed to know. 202 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:16,243 Arrogant. 203 00:09:16,260 --> 00:09:18,420 Told me he was the best in the metroplex. 204 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,452 So it's the day of the surgery. 205 00:09:21,470 --> 00:09:23,579 I had second thoughts that day. 206 00:09:23,590 --> 00:09:25,120 My understanding was my surgery 207 00:09:25,140 --> 00:09:28,200 was supposed to last a couple of hours. 208 00:09:28,220 --> 00:09:29,627 It took four. 209 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,820 When you woke up from surgery, 210 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,214 what was that like? 211 00:09:33,230 --> 00:09:35,240 A nightmare. 212 00:09:35,260 --> 00:09:37,801 I woke up in a nightmare, 213 00:09:37,820 --> 00:09:39,820 tubes coming out of everywhere. 214 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,473 Feeding tubes, drain tubes. 215 00:09:42,490 --> 00:09:45,601 I couldn't move, and the pain... 216 00:09:45,620 --> 00:09:47,854 They were pumping me full of blood, 217 00:09:47,870 --> 00:09:49,355 and I didn't know why. 218 00:09:49,370 --> 00:09:51,774 I was sore. I hurt. 219 00:09:51,780 --> 00:09:53,692 - I was worse. - Couldn't move, 220 00:09:53,710 --> 00:09:56,278 and my wife told me he'd found a tumor 221 00:09:56,290 --> 00:09:58,493 and had to abort the surgery. 222 00:09:58,510 --> 00:10:00,900 It turns out it was a piece of my neck muscle. 223 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,578 Every bone hurt. I was crying. 224 00:10:04,590 --> 00:10:07,248 I'm sober, so I can't take the meds. 225 00:10:07,260 --> 00:10:08,916 She never woke up. 226 00:10:08,930 --> 00:10:11,341 I went home. I laid around. 227 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,080 Wasn't eating or drinking anything 228 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:15,214 'cause of the sore throat. 229 00:10:15,230 --> 00:10:16,840 I remember being like I was a baby. 230 00:10:16,860 --> 00:10:18,884 You know, like a baby who can't hold himself up. 231 00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:20,900 First thing that went through my mind: 232 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,263 what's he done to me? 233 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,474 He looked at the incision and said everything was fine. 234 00:10:25,490 --> 00:10:27,060 He kept repeating himself. 235 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,399 He kept saying that what was wrong 236 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:29,979 wasn't related to the surgery. 237 00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:31,840 I knew there was something wrong with this guy. 238 00:10:31,860 --> 00:10:34,275 Sorry, man. You looked high as a kite. 239 00:10:34,290 --> 00:10:35,940 - Objection. - Sustained. 240 00:10:35,970 --> 00:10:37,695 Has this changed your life? 241 00:10:37,700 --> 00:10:39,380 I walk with a limp. 242 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,949 I have trouble with incontinence, 243 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,534 erectile dysfunction. 244 00:10:43,540 --> 00:10:44,720 I can't sing. 245 00:10:47,780 --> 00:10:49,580 Not that I was ever a good singer, 246 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,711 but that's just an everyday reminder. 247 00:10:53,730 --> 00:10:55,840 She was the love of my life. 248 00:10:58,820 --> 00:11:01,000 It's hard to get over a broken heart. 249 00:11:01,020 --> 00:11:04,474 Just living one day at a time, just like recovery. 250 00:11:04,490 --> 00:11:07,231 I can't play with my children like I used to. 251 00:11:07,250 --> 00:11:10,354 I learned ways to control the pain, 252 00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:12,855 mostly through prayer and meditation. 253 00:11:12,870 --> 00:11:16,323 I sit in a recliner, watch TV, 254 00:11:16,340 --> 00:11:19,737 a lot of medicine, antidepressants. 255 00:11:19,740 --> 00:11:21,460 I miss her. 256 00:11:23,660 --> 00:11:25,950 She was... 257 00:11:25,970 --> 00:11:31,206 she was a very... very good woman. 258 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,040 And that's all I can say. 259 00:11:37,290 --> 00:11:39,820 Can you tell us how old you are? 260 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,860 70. 261 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,600 And what did you do for a living? 262 00:11:45,620 --> 00:11:48,210 I was a teacher's aide, 263 00:11:48,230 --> 00:11:52,380 and then I worked in physical therapy for a bit. 264 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,647 Ironic. 265 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,580 What took you to Christopher Duntsch? 266 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,500 I had back pain for years, 267 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:06,180 and it radiated to the end of my foot. 268 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,400 And I tried all the treatments. 269 00:12:09,420 --> 00:12:12,793 Steroid shots, PT. 270 00:12:12,810 --> 00:12:14,375 Nothing worked. 271 00:12:14,390 --> 00:12:16,420 Before you met the defendant, 272 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,964 had you had surgery? 273 00:12:17,980 --> 00:12:20,011 Mm-hmm. 2008. 274 00:12:20,030 --> 00:12:21,382 A laminectomy. 275 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,601 It helped for a number of years, 276 00:12:25,620 --> 00:12:30,523 but it didn't last and then my pain management team 277 00:12:30,540 --> 00:12:32,600 referred me to Dr. Duntsch. 278 00:12:32,620 --> 00:12:36,355 How did you feel going into the surgery? 279 00:12:36,370 --> 00:12:41,100 Fine. Good. 280 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,300 I walked into the hospital happy, 281 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,820 and I was thinking, "This is gonna fix it." 282 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,872 And how did you feel when you woke up? 283 00:12:55,380 --> 00:12:57,860 I was in pain. 284 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,480 [DISQUIETING MUSIC] 285 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:03,716 I was in pain, 286 00:13:03,730 --> 00:13:06,320 and no one could tell me what was wrong with me 287 00:13:06,340 --> 00:13:09,013 until Dr. Henderson. 288 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:15,160 He said that he thought that the fusion was improperly placed, 289 00:13:15,180 --> 00:13:20,361 and that something was pressing against a nerve. 290 00:13:20,380 --> 00:13:23,680 He said he didn't want to wait to operate on me, 291 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:26,071 so they rushed me in. 292 00:13:26,090 --> 00:13:29,742 What happened after Dr. Henderson operated on you? 293 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,001 The pain was much better, and I could... 294 00:13:33,020 --> 00:13:36,423 I could move my right foot a bit, 295 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,420 but not my left. 296 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,340 So prior to surgery with Christopher Duntsch, 297 00:13:42,370 --> 00:13:47,384 you had pain, but you could still live life. 298 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,700 And now? 299 00:13:53,420 --> 00:13:55,020 I wish I could go back to the days 300 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,813 before I met Christopher Duntsch. 301 00:13:57,830 --> 00:14:01,482 [UNSETTLING MUSIC] 302 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:04,500 [FAINT INDISTINCT CHATTER] 303 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,240 Would you please introduce yourself to the jury? 304 00:14:13,260 --> 00:14:15,160 Randall Parker Kirby. 305 00:14:15,180 --> 00:14:18,650 I went to Rice undergrad. Baylor for medical school. 306 00:14:18,670 --> 00:14:21,835 Stayed at Baylor for my five-year general surgery residency 307 00:14:21,850 --> 00:14:24,046 as well as my two-year vascular surgery fellowship. 308 00:14:24,050 --> 00:14:27,900 I have privileges at every major hospital in Dallas, 309 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,280 including Baylor, Medical City Dallas, 310 00:14:30,300 --> 00:14:31,762 Medical City Children's, 311 00:14:31,780 --> 00:14:35,549 Methodist, Dallas Medical, Presbyterian, 312 00:14:35,550 --> 00:14:38,380 and approximately 40 other smaller hospitals 313 00:14:38,410 --> 00:14:41,605 and outpatient surgery centers here in the metroplex. 314 00:14:41,620 --> 00:14:46,193 My area of expertise is anterior spinal access. 315 00:14:46,210 --> 00:14:48,540 I work with most of the neurosurgical 316 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,744 and orthopedic spine surgeons here in DFW. 317 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,900 I open up the chest and the abdomen so they can correct 318 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,874 whatever deformity they need to correct in the front. 319 00:14:58,890 --> 00:15:04,381 I perform between two to four of these operations per day. 320 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,700 Five... call it six days a week. 321 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,763 I do hernias, gallbladders, 322 00:15:10,780 --> 00:15:13,387 blockages of the legs and the neck arteries, anyone? 323 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:18,070 But my area of expertise and the chapters I've published 324 00:15:18,090 --> 00:15:19,977 have all been on anterior spine access. 325 00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:21,900 And were you called in on a case 326 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,111 regarding a patient named Joe Padua? 327 00:15:24,130 --> 00:15:28,260 Yeah, he works with the company that takes care of my pool. 328 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,660 I was asked to come in, lend a hand. 329 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,406 It seemed nobody else was available. 330 00:15:32,420 --> 00:15:33,448 Available? 331 00:15:33,460 --> 00:15:34,831 Nobody wanted to work with him. 332 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:35,980 Objection. 333 00:15:36,010 --> 00:15:37,379 The witness has no way of knowing that. 334 00:15:37,380 --> 00:15:38,680 [CHUCKLES] Oh, I do. 335 00:15:38,700 --> 00:15:40,949 - Sustained. - Eh. 336 00:15:40,950 --> 00:15:44,180 Did you know Dr. Duntsch prior to this surgery? 337 00:15:44,210 --> 00:15:46,881 I met him one time before we had a conversation. 338 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:50,940 I was scrubbing in on a case, and he tried to convince me 339 00:15:50,970 --> 00:15:54,136 that he was the best spine surgeon in town. 340 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:57,810 I found the conversation disturbing. 341 00:15:57,830 --> 00:16:00,604 I mean, sure, most surgeons are superior sons of guns, 342 00:16:00,620 --> 00:16:02,313 some would even say yours truly, 343 00:16:02,330 --> 00:16:04,901 but this guy was next level. 344 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,401 I mean, he tried to tell me that all the surgeries in Dallas 345 00:16:07,420 --> 00:16:09,067 were being performed incorrectly. 346 00:16:10,220 --> 00:16:13,410 And what did you observe during your operation with him? 347 00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:16,240 An anterior lumbar fusion at L5-S1 348 00:16:16,260 --> 00:16:19,600 is about the easiest procedure a spine surgeon can perform, 349 00:16:19,620 --> 00:16:21,583 and he just struggled. 350 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,139 I mean, he was functioning at the level 351 00:16:23,140 --> 00:16:25,883 of a first-or second-year resident. 352 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:28,714 Instead of using a scalpel to remove the disc, 353 00:16:28,730 --> 00:16:32,215 he just started grabbing at it with a double-action rongeur. 354 00:16:33,940 --> 00:16:36,950 All right, imagine, instead of using a pizza slicer 355 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,894 to divide and conquer your extra-large pepperoni, 356 00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:43,353 you went after it with a pair of lockjaw pliers. 357 00:16:43,370 --> 00:16:45,812 Not appetizing, right? 358 00:16:45,830 --> 00:16:49,080 Did it appear to you that there was more blood loss 359 00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:51,903 - than there should be? - When he was taking the disc out, 360 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,531 he took off a bit of bone 361 00:16:53,550 --> 00:16:56,573 from the bottom of the L5 vertebral body. 362 00:16:56,580 --> 00:17:00,160 In surgical parlance, he violated the endplate. 363 00:17:00,180 --> 00:17:02,541 Very difficult to do in healthy bone. 364 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,331 He did the same thing to the sacrum. 365 00:17:04,350 --> 00:17:06,560 When you start chewing into bone, 366 00:17:06,580 --> 00:17:07,754 you get a lot of bleeding. 367 00:17:07,770 --> 00:17:11,761 It's not easy to stop bleeding when it's coming from bone. 368 00:17:11,780 --> 00:17:14,257 You're just really not supposed to do that. 369 00:17:14,270 --> 00:17:16,635 What are you supposed to do? 370 00:17:16,650 --> 00:17:18,820 Curet off the cartilage. 371 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,683 A curet is like a scraper. 372 00:17:20,700 --> 00:17:22,391 You scrape off all the cartilage 373 00:17:22,410 --> 00:17:23,820 so you can get a proper fusion, 374 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,720 and then heal bone to bone. 375 00:17:25,740 --> 00:17:27,903 When did you leave the surgery? 376 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,680 Midway, I was called into a previously scheduled operation. 377 00:17:31,700 --> 00:17:35,153 - Grudgingly. - Grudgingly. Why grudgingly? 378 00:17:35,170 --> 00:17:37,781 [SOFT TENSE MUSIC] 379 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,873 ♪ ♪ 380 00:17:40,890 --> 00:17:44,293 He was the neurosurgeon. He was in charge. 381 00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:45,874 I did my job. 382 00:17:45,890 --> 00:17:51,340 I did my best to guide him, and then I left. 383 00:17:52,290 --> 00:17:56,040 In hindsight, I suppose I could have dragged him out of there. 384 00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:59,636 If there's ever a next time, I will. 385 00:17:59,650 --> 00:18:02,480 [FAINT INDISTINCT CHATTER] 386 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,930 - State passes. - Defense. 387 00:18:14,580 --> 00:18:18,280 You stated that Dr. Duntsch was operating at the level 388 00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:21,158 of a first-or second-year surgical resident. 389 00:18:21,170 --> 00:18:24,831 How many years does a neurosurgical resident typically study? 390 00:18:24,850 --> 00:18:26,400 Six. 391 00:18:26,420 --> 00:18:28,711 And would that include his training? 392 00:18:28,730 --> 00:18:31,140 [LAUGHS SOFTLY] Or lack thereof. 393 00:18:32,930 --> 00:18:35,460 Or lack thereof. 394 00:18:38,140 --> 00:18:39,426 Well said. 395 00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:42,179 Defense passes the witness. 396 00:18:42,190 --> 00:18:45,098 We stand in recess until tomorrow. 397 00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:48,101 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 398 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,270 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 399 00:18:50,290 --> 00:18:57,986 ♪ ♪ 400 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,570 We can shift the blame to your training. 401 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,160 My training was some of the best in the world. 402 00:19:09,180 --> 00:19:12,417 No, it was some of the worst. 403 00:19:13,580 --> 00:19:15,160 What are you talking about? 404 00:19:15,180 --> 00:19:17,360 We'll say you slipped through the cracks. 405 00:19:17,380 --> 00:19:19,039 You were told you were good enough to graduate, 406 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,469 but you didn't have enough training hours. 407 00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:23,063 Your financial ties to Skadden 408 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,360 and the rest of the investors blinded them to your... 409 00:19:25,380 --> 00:19:26,556 - to your flaws. - Stop. 410 00:19:26,570 --> 00:19:29,351 The entire medical community of Dallas should have recognized it. 411 00:19:29,370 --> 00:19:32,280 Instead, they simply moved you from hospital to hospital. 412 00:19:32,300 --> 00:19:35,900 You are erasing my legacy. 413 00:19:37,580 --> 00:19:39,400 Legacy? 414 00:19:39,420 --> 00:19:43,031 Christopher, you're done. 415 00:19:43,050 --> 00:19:46,060 - Fuck you. Fuck you. - You'll never practice medicine again. 416 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,339 And why aren't you pushing back on any of their witnesses? 417 00:19:48,340 --> 00:19:49,836 How exactly would I do that, Chris? 418 00:19:49,850 --> 00:19:51,790 I don't know. That's your job, isn't it? 419 00:19:51,810 --> 00:19:52,820 You break them down. 420 00:19:52,830 --> 00:19:53,979 - You tell them they're wrong. - Chris... 421 00:19:53,980 --> 00:19:56,550 You get them to admit... admit whatever it was 422 00:19:56,570 --> 00:19:58,559 that they lied to me about that messed up their surgery. 423 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,280 - Chris... - You do something to defend me. 424 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:02,717 The only witness, 425 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,470 the only defense that I have right now 426 00:20:04,490 --> 00:20:06,471 is gonna speak to your narcissism. 427 00:20:07,980 --> 00:20:10,440 Our best bet is to prove 428 00:20:10,460 --> 00:20:12,300 that you never should have practiced medicine. 429 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,020 Give me this. Please give me this, 430 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,419 and we might be able to save you. 431 00:20:17,420 --> 00:20:20,000 [SIGHS] 432 00:21:09,660 --> 00:21:12,120 Thanks for being here today, Mr. Summers. 433 00:21:12,140 --> 00:21:16,020 Can you tell us how you know Mr. Duntsch? 434 00:21:18,780 --> 00:21:20,900 We were classmates. 435 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,220 Went to high school together. 436 00:21:23,230 --> 00:21:24,520 Lost touch. 437 00:21:24,540 --> 00:21:28,101 Reconnected when he returned to medical school in Memphis. 438 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:31,480 What led you to have surgery with Mr. Duntsch? 439 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:35,310 Sharp, stabbing-like sticking pain in my neck. 440 00:21:35,330 --> 00:21:36,651 Numbness. 441 00:21:36,670 --> 00:21:38,355 Did he explain the risks? 442 00:21:38,370 --> 00:21:40,232 He advised it was dangerous. 443 00:21:41,250 --> 00:21:43,443 He promised to take care of me. 444 00:21:43,450 --> 00:21:47,447 What did you do the night before the surgery? 445 00:21:56,740 --> 00:22:01,000 Watched a game. Basketball. 446 00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:04,060 Then I went to bed around 10:00. 447 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,676 May... maybe more like 11:30. 448 00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:12,630 What's the first thing you remember after the surgery? 449 00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:17,340 I could barely move. 450 00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:23,000 I just kind of started freaking out, hollering. 451 00:22:23,020 --> 00:22:24,484 Wanting to know what was going on. 452 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:27,821 And did Chris come and talk to you? 453 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,081 Not at first, but eventually. 454 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:35,280 And then they took me in for a second surgery, 455 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:37,920 and when I got out, I couldn't move at all. 456 00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:40,930 Do you remember making a statement in the ICU 457 00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:43,480 that you and Chris were doing cocaine together 458 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,180 the night prior to surgery? 459 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,820 I wanted to see him. 460 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,645 He wasn't coming around, and I... I was mad. 461 00:23:00,660 --> 00:23:03,361 I made it up. 462 00:23:03,380 --> 00:23:06,283 He was my doctor. 463 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:10,701 I wanted to know why I couldn't move. He was in charge. 464 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,949 He wouldn't come see me. 465 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,360 And he was your friend? 466 00:23:19,470 --> 00:23:22,400 Let the record show the witness nodded. 467 00:23:22,420 --> 00:23:24,711 He was your best friend? 468 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,090 Let the record show the witness nodded. 469 00:23:30,750 --> 00:23:33,345 And he abandoned you? 470 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:36,353 [PENSIVE MUSIC] 471 00:23:36,370 --> 00:23:37,683 ♪ ♪ 472 00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:39,500 The State passes the witness. 473 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,110 I'm terribly sorry for what happened to you. 474 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,123 You and Chris played football together, yes? 475 00:23:58,140 --> 00:23:59,160 That's right. 476 00:23:59,180 --> 00:24:02,293 And did you have some victories 477 00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:04,501 and some not-so-great games? 478 00:24:06,490 --> 00:24:07,629 Yeah. 479 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,971 And how did Chris deal with those games? 480 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:14,135 Did he always go in and always try to do his best? 481 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,471 Yeah. 482 00:24:18,380 --> 00:24:21,440 Were you aware that he was in a fellowship program 483 00:24:21,460 --> 00:24:23,728 studying under Dr. Geoffrey Skadden? 484 00:24:23,740 --> 00:24:25,100 Yes. 485 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,830 And from your understanding, was it very important, 486 00:24:27,850 --> 00:24:30,026 what he was doing for Dr. Skadden? 487 00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:33,029 Yeah. 488 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,560 And things like doing surgeries 489 00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:39,340 while he was there under Skadden's supervision, 490 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:42,584 that was important to becoming a successful surgeon? 491 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,915 Yeah. 492 00:24:43,930 --> 00:24:47,133 Did you ever see Chris get out of obligations 493 00:24:47,150 --> 00:24:48,795 that he had at school? 494 00:24:50,330 --> 00:24:52,134 I felt that way sometimes. 495 00:24:52,150 --> 00:24:54,141 Can you give us an example of that? 496 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,853 Like, something that you saw or that made you think that? 497 00:24:57,870 --> 00:25:01,420 I can just remember maybe making a phone call to a doctor, 498 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,560 maybe Dr. Skadden or another doctor, 499 00:25:03,580 --> 00:25:07,313 to say that he had stuff to do for DiscGenics. 500 00:25:07,330 --> 00:25:13,520 And I can remember them let him out whatever he had to do. 501 00:25:13,550 --> 00:25:15,663 When you would find out that Dr. Skadden 502 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,780 and/or some other doctor would just excuse him 503 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,035 from doing things at school in lieu of staying in the lab, 504 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,279 I mean, did you think that was a problem? 505 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,800 I never knew that, 506 00:25:23,820 --> 00:25:26,791 you know, what was happening, and so I... I... 507 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,480 I don't know what he was missing or where he was going. 508 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:32,422 - So I... I don't know. - Okay. 509 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,340 Well, did you ever meet any one of his classmates, 510 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:39,280 or anyone who went to the University of Tennessee Med School, 511 00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:40,840 and talk to them about the rigors 512 00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:43,933 of completing medical school and completing that fellowship? 513 00:25:45,020 --> 00:25:46,350 I don't remember. 514 00:25:46,370 --> 00:25:48,470 You don't remember anyone saying 515 00:25:48,490 --> 00:25:51,530 that he only got through medical school 516 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:52,859 because Skadden liked him? 517 00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:55,360 I heard that after... you know, 518 00:25:55,380 --> 00:25:57,322 something similar to that since my surgery. 519 00:25:57,340 --> 00:26:00,575 Do you remember who that was that told you that or is that... 520 00:26:00,580 --> 00:26:03,620 I heard it from a friend who heard it from another friend, 521 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,080 and he made a comment 522 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:09,501 that Chris was able to circumvent the program. 523 00:26:10,410 --> 00:26:13,254 Did they attribute that circumventing to Dr. Skadden 524 00:26:13,270 --> 00:26:15,260 - or some other doctor or both? - I don't know. 525 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,758 - I don't... I don't know. - Okay. 526 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,973 I don't know. 527 00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:20,439 - Okay, you said you understood... - I think what they attributed to 528 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,149 is the fact that they had companies with them. 529 00:26:22,150 --> 00:26:24,580 Well, that was the next thing I was gonna ask you about. 530 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,313 You said they had companies with him. 531 00:26:28,330 --> 00:26:31,401 They gave all the funds to those companies. 532 00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:32,500 Right. 533 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,150 For him to do the research, right? 534 00:26:34,780 --> 00:26:35,818 Right. 535 00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:38,493 Okay, and it was very important 536 00:26:38,510 --> 00:26:40,680 that research be successful 537 00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:42,440 to those companies. Is that correct? 538 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,320 Yeah. 539 00:26:46,340 --> 00:26:48,423 Now, when Chris moved here, 540 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,173 did he cut off all work 541 00:26:50,190 --> 00:26:53,303 with Dr. Skadden and DiscGenics? 542 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,360 Not that I know of. 543 00:26:54,380 --> 00:26:55,980 So Chris came to Dallas, 544 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,180 and he worked at the Minimally Invasive Spine Institute. 545 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,094 - Is that correct? - Yeah. 546 00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:02,974 And while he was working there, 547 00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:05,260 he was being pursued by Amy Piel 548 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,141 at Baylor-Plano. Is that correct? 549 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,771 Well, she was interested in having 550 00:27:08,790 --> 00:27:10,687 a successful clinic on the property. 551 00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:14,361 Mm-hmm. All to herself. 552 00:27:14,380 --> 00:27:17,920 Because if he was with Missy, 553 00:27:17,950 --> 00:27:21,850 she wasn't getting all the fees that he would generate. 554 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:25,450 Yeah. 555 00:27:25,470 --> 00:27:31,760 So both the chair of his fellowship, 556 00:27:31,780 --> 00:27:33,830 the person responsible for his training, 557 00:27:33,850 --> 00:27:36,060 and one of the largest hospitals 558 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,140 in the Dallas-Fort Worth area had financial reasons 559 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,740 for ensuring that Christopher Duntsch was successful. 560 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,185 I'd say so. 561 00:27:54,780 --> 00:27:57,530 Defense passes the witness. 562 00:27:57,540 --> 00:27:59,652 Redirect. 563 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,740 Did Christopher ever visit you after the surgery? 564 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,380 After you returned home to Memphis? 565 00:28:09,220 --> 00:28:12,240 Once. He came to visit. 566 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,627 What did you talk about? 567 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,280 His baby, his practice. 568 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:23,092 Nothing in depth. 569 00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:25,553 Did he ask about you? 570 00:28:26,340 --> 00:28:29,900 About what was happening in your life? 571 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,521 No. 572 00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:39,863 Ms. McClung said that she was sorry 573 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,300 for what happened to you, 574 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,405 even though she has no connection to your surgery. 575 00:28:44,420 --> 00:28:49,140 Has Christopher ever said he was sorry? 576 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,543 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 577 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,631 ♪ ♪ 578 00:28:55,650 --> 00:28:57,960 No. 579 00:29:01,270 --> 00:29:05,093 Final question, Mr. Summers. 580 00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:07,351 He's here now. 581 00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:10,063 Is there anything you want to say to him? 582 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,642 - Objection. - Sustained. 583 00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:18,890 I love you. 584 00:29:18,910 --> 00:29:22,151 The jury will disregard that last statement. 585 00:29:22,820 --> 00:29:26,070 The State has no further questions. 586 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,919 Would you please introduce yourself to the jury? 587 00:29:39,930 --> 00:29:41,971 Major Kimberly Morgan. 588 00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:43,473 United States Air Force. 589 00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:45,720 And are you currently out on deployment 590 00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:47,635 in a location you cannot disclose? 591 00:29:47,650 --> 00:29:49,580 Yes, ma'am, due to security. 592 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,300 Are you familiar with a person named Christopher Duntsch? 593 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,780 Yes, ma'am. I ran the office at his clinic 594 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,233 and assisted in surgery. 595 00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:59,800 Can you tell us what the defendant was like? 596 00:29:59,820 --> 00:30:00,857 His demeanor? 597 00:30:00,860 --> 00:30:03,568 Caring, kind, 598 00:30:03,580 --> 00:30:05,740 always very nice to the patients. 599 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,323 He took time to listen to them. 600 00:30:07,340 --> 00:30:12,200 And did that change over the course of the time you were with him? 601 00:30:12,220 --> 00:30:17,753 Yes, after the event in February 2012. 602 00:30:17,770 --> 00:30:19,260 The event? 603 00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:22,670 Jerry Summers' surgery. 604 00:30:22,690 --> 00:30:25,465 [TENDER MUSIC] 605 00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:30,180 Mr. Summers wasn't able to use his limbs, 606 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,860 was having difficulty breathing, 607 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,330 and then he talked about how he and Dr. Duntsch 608 00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:39,000 were doing cocaine the night before the surgery. 609 00:30:39,020 --> 00:30:41,700 You were ordered to take a drug test? 610 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,364 Myself and Dr. Duntsch. I took it right away that day. 611 00:30:45,380 --> 00:30:48,031 - Did the defendant? - Eventually. 612 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,407 It came back clean, and Baylor reinstated his privileges. 613 00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:55,536 Shelley Brennan would be the last patient you assisted on? 614 00:30:57,610 --> 00:30:58,680 Yes. 615 00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:01,417 What do you remember about her surgery? 616 00:31:02,410 --> 00:31:05,379 [OMINOUS MUSIC] 617 00:31:05,390 --> 00:31:12,223 ♪ ♪ 618 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,800 It's a simple surgery. 619 00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:17,740 In one day, home the next. 620 00:31:20,550 --> 00:31:25,316 This is an email from Duntsch@TNIclinic.net 621 00:31:25,330 --> 00:31:27,485 to Kimberly Morgan. 622 00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:29,701 The subject is "Occam's Razor." 623 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,560 "Kim, unfortunately, you cannot understand 624 00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:38,059 "that I really am building an empire, 625 00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:40,920 "and I am so far outside the box 626 00:31:40,940 --> 00:31:45,211 "that the Earth is small and the Sun is bright. 627 00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:46,780 "Anyone close to me 628 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,970 "thinks that I'm likely something between God, Einstein, 629 00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:52,880 and the Antichrist... 630 00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:55,388 Because how can I do anything that I want 631 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,040 across any discipline boundary 632 00:31:57,060 --> 00:32:00,140 like it's a playground and never ever lose? 633 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,640 Unfortunately, despite the fact that I am winning, 634 00:32:03,662 --> 00:32:05,944 it is not happening fast enough. 635 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,060 What is the problem, Kim? 636 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,440 It is simply that everyone else is human, 637 00:32:11,460 --> 00:32:14,240 and there's nothing I can do about it. 638 00:32:14,260 --> 00:32:17,331 So I pick and choose my humans 639 00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:20,260 and try to help them. 640 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,100 You, my child, 641 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,160 are the only one standing between me and the other side. 642 00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:34,620 I am ready to leave the love and kindness and goodness 643 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,660 and patience that I mixed with everything else that I am 644 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,350 and become a cold-blooded killer. 645 00:32:41,370 --> 00:32:45,280 The sad fact is, I could go faster, do better, 646 00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:47,400 catch more honor and respect 647 00:32:47,420 --> 00:32:49,820 by fucking everybody in the brain, 648 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,736 emotionally and mentally controlling them 649 00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:54,071 in a manner that borders on abuse, 650 00:32:54,090 --> 00:32:58,373 taking no prisoners, sending everyone in my way, 651 00:32:58,390 --> 00:33:01,541 especially that fucks with me, to hell 652 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,580 for the simple fact that they thought they could. 653 00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:11,050 What I am being as what I am, 654 00:33:11,070 --> 00:33:14,094 one of a kind, 655 00:33:14,110 --> 00:33:18,721 a motherfucker stone-cold killer. 656 00:33:22,780 --> 00:33:24,977 I'll pass my witness, Your Honor. 657 00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:31,220 I don't think it's morning where you are, but good morning. 658 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,480 Now, the State is making a big deal out of this email 659 00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:37,120 they just read. 660 00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:40,076 Did you know Christopher liked poetry? 661 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,874 I found out later. 662 00:33:41,890 --> 00:33:45,671 But you're not surprised by his... his flowery language. 663 00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:47,819 I mean, he sent emails like that one quite often, 664 00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:49,080 - didn't he? - Yes. 665 00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:52,630 Do you think Dr. Duntsch was a cold-blooded killer? 666 00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:54,080 No. 667 00:33:54,110 --> 00:33:57,143 Now, it's no secret that you and Dr. Duntsch 668 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,920 had an intimate relationship. 669 00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:01,900 We know that involves sex, 670 00:34:01,930 --> 00:34:04,640 but was there an emotional element? 671 00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:07,840 - Meaning? - Well, among the people in his life, 672 00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:10,272 based on everything you saw 673 00:34:10,290 --> 00:34:12,944 working with him day in and day out, 674 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,318 sleeping with him, 675 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,460 you thought you were pretty close? 676 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,697 I thought so. 677 00:34:17,710 --> 00:34:22,785 Close enough that perhaps you didn't allow yourself to see the truth? 678 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,079 The truth? 679 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,171 About his abilities. 680 00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:28,708 I don't understand. 681 00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:31,293 Was he a good surgeon? 682 00:34:33,020 --> 00:34:35,200 That's outside my area of expertise. 683 00:34:35,220 --> 00:34:37,466 You were in his office. You were in the O.R. 684 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,053 You don't have a professional opinion? 685 00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:40,344 No. 686 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,220 Okay, well, after Shelley Brennan, 687 00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:45,483 did you ever work with Dr. Duntsch again? 688 00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:47,018 - No. - Why not? 689 00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:51,060 I didn't wanna be in that environment anymore. 690 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,566 That environment? What environment? 691 00:34:53,580 --> 00:34:55,680 [UNEASY MUSIC] 692 00:34:55,700 --> 00:34:58,201 ♪ ♪ 693 00:34:58,220 --> 00:35:02,220 Unhealthy, you know? 694 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,280 You mean the environment in which patients 695 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:05,661 were being maimed and killed? 696 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,580 - Objection. - Sustained. 697 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,331 Just one more question. 698 00:35:09,350 --> 00:35:14,378 If you believed that Dr. Duntsch wanted to hurt patients, 699 00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:16,721 you certainly would go and tell somebody about that, 700 00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:18,007 wouldn't you? 701 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:25,220 Yes, ma'am. 702 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,650 Pass the witness. 703 00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:34,033 Stay safe, Ms. Morgan, wherever you've gone. 704 00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:38,750 ♪ ♪ 705 00:35:50,410 --> 00:35:51,457 How are you feeling? 706 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,591 If they ask me questions about Duntsch's training, 707 00:35:56,610 --> 00:35:59,006 I can't promise you what I'm going to say. 708 00:36:01,210 --> 00:36:03,052 Yeah. 709 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,930 If we can't present our entire case, 710 00:36:07,950 --> 00:36:10,351 the good, bad, everything, 711 00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:13,193 if we can't lay it all out and still win, 712 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,071 then we shouldn't win. 713 00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:16,482 [CELL PHONE BUZZES] 714 00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:20,140 - You take that call. - Hey, Ma. Hang on a sec. 715 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,530 Dr. Henderson. 716 00:36:23,260 --> 00:36:27,368 If they ask, answer how you want. 717 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,680 Thank you. 718 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,120 Yeah, I'm here. 719 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,780 We asked you here to give your opinion 720 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,949 on four different cases the defendant performed. 721 00:37:05,950 --> 00:37:09,618 What surgery did the defendant recommend for Jerry Summers? 722 00:37:09,620 --> 00:37:14,793 An anterior cervical fusion at C3-4 and C4-5. 723 00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:17,320 What was the outcome of Mr. Summer's surgery? 724 00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:20,045 He was rendered a quadriplegic. 725 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,590 Would you walk us through it? 726 00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:25,217 There was a lot of bleeding. 727 00:37:25,230 --> 00:37:26,960 - Suction. - Suction. 728 00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:30,222 Sponge. Give me a sponge. 729 00:37:31,660 --> 00:37:34,894 How many CCs were lost? 730 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:40,190 A typical loss is somewhere between 25 and 200 CCs. 731 00:37:40,210 --> 00:37:43,527 Mr. Summers lost 1,900 CCs. 732 00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:46,822 What accounts for that amount of blood loss? 733 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,949 Injuring a major structure. 734 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,020 Pituitary. 735 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:55,300 He removed the disc from C3-4 and C4-5, as he was supposed to do, 736 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,959 and then he removed a tremendous amount of bone on the left side. 737 00:38:00,350 --> 00:38:03,172 Over a third of the vertebral body. 738 00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:06,675 And in doing so, he lacerated the vertebral artery. 739 00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:15,300 The defendant chose to go back in for a second surgery. 740 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,063 What procedure did he perform? 741 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,600 Double action. 742 00:38:18,620 --> 00:38:22,531 A laminectomy in order to relieve pressure on the spine. 743 00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:24,568 But by removing excessive bone 744 00:38:24,580 --> 00:38:26,660 from both the front and the back, 745 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,540 you're compromising the entire structure. 746 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,116 In layman's terms? 747 00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:36,372 His head was barely attached to his spine. 748 00:38:36,380 --> 00:38:39,750 [SOFT GASPS, EXHALES] 749 00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:41,794 Let's move on to Shelley Brennan. 750 00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:44,260 The surgery Duntsch recommended, 751 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,674 was that a surgery that would fix her issue? 752 00:38:46,690 --> 00:38:47,880 Yes. 753 00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:51,200 What was the outcome of Mrs. Brennan's operation? 754 00:38:51,220 --> 00:38:52,260 She died. 755 00:38:52,740 --> 00:38:55,260 Is that normal for this type of procedure? 756 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,630 Mortalities are less than 1 in 10,000. 757 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:03,300 The pituitary rongeur went through the ligament in the front 758 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,480 and lacerated the iliac vessels 759 00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,440 that lie directly on the side. 760 00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:10,800 - So Mrs. Brennan was bleeding? - Heavily. 761 00:39:10,820 --> 00:39:14,751 Would there have been blood visible in the operative site? 762 00:39:14,770 --> 00:39:16,078 Sometimes, yes. 763 00:39:16,090 --> 00:39:18,289 It doesn't appear to have been the case here, 764 00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:20,833 but they should have noticed a drop in her blood pressure. 765 00:39:20,850 --> 00:39:25,460 Should a neurosurgeon know that a drop in blood pressure 766 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,339 means there's a bleed somewhere? 767 00:39:27,350 --> 00:39:30,759 It's a fundamental rule, 768 00:39:30,770 --> 00:39:35,180 but the likelihood of them being able to address the issue is small. 769 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,225 They'd call in a vascular surgeon for assistance. 770 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,930 But he didn't do that. 771 00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:44,940 No. 772 00:39:46,540 --> 00:39:47,680 Dorothy Burke. 773 00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:51,034 Mrs. Burke had a previous anterior cervical fusion 774 00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:56,041 at C5-6 and C6-7 that resolved her symptoms for a time, 775 00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:58,590 but she began experiencing neck and shoulder pain 776 00:39:58,610 --> 00:40:01,360 that had nothing to do with her prior surgery. 777 00:40:01,380 --> 00:40:05,120 Dr. Duntsch diagnosed a disc protrusion at C4-5 778 00:40:05,140 --> 00:40:08,672 and a disc extrusion at the C7 T1 level. 779 00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:13,264 He sliced through the vertebral artery again. 780 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,680 [MONITOR BEEPING] 781 00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:23,200 We've been talking a lot about the vertebral artery. 782 00:40:23,220 --> 00:40:25,898 Is it common for it to be hit during surgery? 783 00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:27,300 Exceptionally rare. 784 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,360 - How many times have you hit it? - Never. 785 00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:32,696 And what happened to Mrs. Burke after her surgery? 786 00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:36,280 Her heart rate elevated. She couldn't open her eyes. 787 00:40:36,310 --> 00:40:39,870 No verbal response to questioning or commands. 788 00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:44,583 And what does that indicate to anyone in the medical field? 789 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,540 An impending disaster. 790 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,134 What should Mr. Duntsch have done 791 00:40:49,150 --> 00:40:51,900 as soon as he was informed of that information? 792 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,300 Physically examine the patient. 793 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,700 Order appropriate studies. Scans. 794 00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:59,160 They were ordered by the ICU physician, 795 00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:01,183 which showed she was brain dead. 796 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:08,565 Where was Dr. Duntsch? 797 00:41:08,580 --> 00:41:10,651 He was operating on Madeline Beyer. 798 00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:13,780 Had the defendant focused on Dorothy Burke 799 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,322 rather than Madeline Beyer, 800 00:41:15,340 --> 00:41:17,241 would she still be alive today? 801 00:41:17,260 --> 00:41:18,704 Based on what I know 802 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,480 of Dr. Duntsch's approach to surgery, 803 00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:23,251 Mrs. Burke was dead the moment she agreed for him to operate. 804 00:41:23,260 --> 00:41:24,623 Objection. 805 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:25,980 Sustained. 806 00:41:28,180 --> 00:41:30,380 Madeline Beyer? 807 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,382 Mrs. Beyer is the reason I'm sitting here today. 808 00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:38,220 I... I tried to fix her. 809 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:41,280 One of the screws was violating the spinal canal, 810 00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:44,435 damaging dura and nerve roots. 811 00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:46,560 How do you know when you've hit the dura? 812 00:41:46,580 --> 00:41:49,064 Cerebral spinal fluid leaks out. 813 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,318 I found evidence of three attempted screw placements 814 00:41:53,330 --> 00:41:55,980 on the left side where he put no screws. 815 00:41:58,020 --> 00:42:00,370 The most disturbing part was, 816 00:42:00,390 --> 00:42:03,540 the entire reason he was operating 817 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,040 was to remove the disc, and he didn't touch it. 818 00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:08,754 What did he take out? 819 00:42:08,770 --> 00:42:12,000 A large piece of the psoas muscle. 820 00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:14,631 He made a portal through that muscle 821 00:42:14,650 --> 00:42:17,189 and stuffed an implant in there. 822 00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:18,763 Cage. 823 00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:20,489 Is a trained neurosurgeon 824 00:42:20,490 --> 00:42:24,558 going to know the difference between bone and muscle? 825 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,191 - Yes. - Mallet. 826 00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:28,061 Would a trained neurosurgeon know 827 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,073 that by malpositioning the interbody device, 828 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,650 he was reasonably certain to cause her injury? 829 00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:36,340 - Yes. - Would a trained neurosurgeon 830 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,073 have been aware that if he malpositioned the pedicle screws, 831 00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:43,827 he was reasonably certain to cause her serious bodily injury? 832 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,291 Yes. 833 00:42:45,310 --> 00:42:48,248 Would a trained neurosurgeon have been aware 834 00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:50,440 that if he amputated the nerve root, 835 00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:54,046 he was reasonably certain to cause her serious bodily injury? 836 00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:57,841 - Yes. - The way the surgical tools were used 837 00:42:57,860 --> 00:42:59,433 in Madeline Beyer's case, 838 00:42:59,450 --> 00:43:01,580 do you think they were used in a manner 839 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,590 that was capable of causing death or serious bodily injury? 840 00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:10,604 Yes. 841 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,340 We pass the witness. 842 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,480 Dr. Henderson, Ms. Shughart made quite the point 843 00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:26,083 that a trained neurosurgeon 844 00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:29,206 should have done this or done that. 845 00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:32,420 You're aware Christopher has both an MD and a PhD 846 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,295 - from the University of Tennessee. - I am. 847 00:43:35,310 --> 00:43:39,340 UT isn't some fly-by-night medical school. 848 00:43:39,370 --> 00:43:40,853 It's not like one of those in... 849 00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:43,262 in Guadalajara or Granada, is it? 850 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,360 No, it's in Memphis. 851 00:43:45,380 --> 00:43:48,600 Do you know Dr. Geoffrey Skadden? 852 00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:52,071 - Does he have a good reputation? - I do, and he does. 853 00:43:52,090 --> 00:43:53,980 And what was he responsible for 854 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,899 in Christopher Duntsch's training? 855 00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:59,530 After Dr. Duntsch finished his residency at UT, 856 00:43:59,550 --> 00:44:02,489 he came under the tutelage of Dr. Skadden 857 00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:03,720 for a fellowship training 858 00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:06,243 in minimally invasive spine surgery. 859 00:44:06,260 --> 00:44:08,580 Were you familiar with the fact that Dr. Duntsch 860 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,440 was doing medical cancer research on the side 861 00:44:11,460 --> 00:44:14,376 and that Dr. Skadden was involved in that research? 862 00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:15,963 I wasn't at the time, no. 863 00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:19,551 Should any doctor under any circumstances 864 00:44:19,570 --> 00:44:24,011 have their surgical training hours disrupted by research? 865 00:44:24,030 --> 00:44:25,224 Absolutely not. 866 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:28,380 So a neurosurgical resident or fellow 867 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,684 can't just skip those hours. 868 00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:33,269 The supervisor has to sign off, no matter the excuse. 869 00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:34,280 Correct. 870 00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:36,148 Do the doctors in charge of the program 871 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,400 have to sign off that they're qualified 872 00:44:38,420 --> 00:44:40,331 - to go and operate? - Yes. 873 00:44:40,332 --> 00:44:43,740 Did Dr. Skadden write letters of recommendation 874 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,871 for Dr. Duntsch? 875 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,600 Yes, he stated Dr. Duntsch was a satisfactory surgeon 876 00:44:48,620 --> 00:44:49,995 in his fellowship. 877 00:44:50,010 --> 00:44:53,290 Well, had Dr. Skadden heard what was happening in Texas? 878 00:44:53,310 --> 00:44:56,780 Yes, because he had mentioned poor outcomes at Baylor 879 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,630 when filling out a credentialing form at Forest Park. 880 00:44:59,650 --> 00:45:00,740 Do you have any idea 881 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,340 why he wouldn't have explicitly told these hospitals 882 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,433 not to hire Dr. Duntsch? 883 00:45:05,450 --> 00:45:08,231 Dr. Skadden said that he had to write recommendations 884 00:45:08,250 --> 00:45:10,974 based on what he'd witnessed in his program. 885 00:45:10,990 --> 00:45:13,894 He couldn't speak to whatever was happening in Texas. 886 00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:15,640 He didn't write any more recommendations 887 00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:17,397 for Mr. Duntsch after we spoke. 888 00:45:17,410 --> 00:45:20,531 Has there ever been an instance 889 00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:25,113 in which a doctor was sued for not writing a recommendation? 890 00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:27,413 Yes. 891 00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:29,621 Well, that's frightening, is it not? 892 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,360 It is to me. 893 00:45:31,380 --> 00:45:34,131 So Skadden had to sign off on him, 894 00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:36,580 or he wouldn't have been able to get their credentials? 895 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:37,626 Correct. 896 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,473 I mean, Baylor wouldn't let somebody just walk in off the street, 897 00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:42,840 - start doing neurosurgery. - Well, I also assumed 898 00:45:42,860 --> 00:45:45,300 they would have reported the outcomes of his surgeries 899 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,551 to the authorities. 900 00:45:46,570 --> 00:45:48,040 As a matter of fact, 901 00:45:48,070 --> 00:45:52,500 they didn't say anything negative to anybody. 902 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,978 Neurosurgery is a big moneymaker. 903 00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:59,880 Do you think the corporate level of the hospital 904 00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:02,660 was more interested in making money 905 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,945 than in protecting their patients? 906 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,452 [SOFT DRAMATIC MUSIC] 907 00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:14,673 ♪ ♪ 908 00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:15,826 [SIGHS] 909 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,093 Yes, I do. 910 00:46:17,110 --> 00:46:20,553 I think everyone was more interested in making money 911 00:46:20,570 --> 00:46:22,303 and protecting themselves 912 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,840 rather than protecting their patients. 913 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,540 Thank you for the truth, Dr. Henderson. 914 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,920 No more questions. 915 00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:36,960 I'd like to add something. 916 00:46:38,140 --> 00:46:40,480 Redirect. 917 00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:42,100 Anything you'd like to add? 918 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,340 Everyone knows the first tenet 919 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,907 of the Hippocratic Oath, "First, do no harm". 920 00:46:52,070 --> 00:46:54,911 But there are others. 921 00:46:54,930 --> 00:46:58,343 "I will respect the hard-won scientific gains 922 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,460 of the physicians in whose steps I've walked." 923 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:03,503 He did not. 924 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,681 "I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, 925 00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:08,680 "all majors which are required, 926 00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:12,480 "avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment 927 00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:14,556 and therapeutic nihilism." 928 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,354 He did not. 929 00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:19,111 "I will not be ashamed to say I know not, 930 00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:21,646 "nor will I fail to call them my colleagues 931 00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:24,154 "when the skills of another are needed 932 00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:26,080 for a patient's recovery." 933 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,862 He did not. 934 00:47:30,660 --> 00:47:35,750 Had I performed any of the 33 surgeries 935 00:47:35,770 --> 00:47:37,537 in the manner that he performed them, 936 00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:39,754 I never would have allowed myself 937 00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:42,700 into an operating room again. 938 00:47:43,980 --> 00:47:45,545 Any one of them. 939 00:47:48,180 --> 00:47:49,700 Not ever again. 940 00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:58,280 ♪ ♪ 941 00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,300 The State flooded you 942 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,260 with every possible patient they could, 943 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,163 but Madeline Beyer's case is the case the State chose 944 00:48:13,180 --> 00:48:16,159 to go to trial on, so let's focus there. 945 00:48:16,170 --> 00:48:17,960 Now, according to the state, 946 00:48:17,980 --> 00:48:22,380 Dr. Duntsch didn't head into Madeline Beyer's surgery to fix her... 947 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,417 he wanted to hurt her... 948 00:48:24,430 --> 00:48:26,920 but that's not what the evidence shows. 949 00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:33,260 The evidence shows he was a suboptimal surgeon. 950 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,820 Now, are we trying to blame the hospitals? 951 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,354 No. Are we trying to blame Dr. Skadden? 952 00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:40,934 No, but the State asked time and time again, 953 00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:45,113 what would a well-trained surgeon do? 954 00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:47,020 I mean, what did Dr. Henderson tell you? 955 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,550 He got on the phone, called Skadden, 956 00:48:49,573 --> 00:48:51,493 and said, "Hey, we got this guy here. 957 00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:54,380 "It says he graduated from your medical school, 958 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,782 "went to your fellowship, 959 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,461 and I need you to stop recommending him." 960 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:03,240 And Skadden replied, "Yes, he did train at my fellowship. 961 00:49:03,260 --> 00:49:06,093 But I don't know what to do." 962 00:49:06,110 --> 00:49:08,384 Because Skadden has figured out, 963 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,506 "I screwed up. I let him out." 964 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,160 I mean, Jerry Summers told you, 965 00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:18,221 he let him out of surgeries in order to do research. 966 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,808 Now, you don't get to punish Dr. Skadden. 967 00:49:21,820 --> 00:49:23,880 You don't get to punish Baylor. 968 00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:25,937 You don't get to punish Dallas Medical, 969 00:49:25,950 --> 00:49:29,357 but you have the right to know what they didn't do. 970 00:49:29,370 --> 00:49:32,574 They didn't report him. 971 00:49:32,590 --> 00:49:34,323 They didn't challenge him. 972 00:49:34,340 --> 00:49:35,870 They didn't tell him 973 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,360 that he was a suboptimal surgeon 974 00:49:38,380 --> 00:49:40,869 who needs to find other work. 975 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,456 If you're a teacher and the children don't do well, 976 00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:48,335 your principal tells you you're a suboptimal teacher. 977 00:49:48,350 --> 00:49:50,133 If you're a mechanic 978 00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:52,400 and the cars you're working on keep breaking down, 979 00:49:52,410 --> 00:49:55,304 you're told you're a suboptimal mechanic. 980 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,601 If you're a pilot and you can't land, 981 00:49:59,620 --> 00:50:03,224 well, you're told you can't do this anymore. 982 00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:06,024 Well, Baylor does the opposite. 983 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,064 They allow him to resign. 984 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,071 And then they send a clearing letter to Dallas Medical, 985 00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:14,491 who hires him and then watches 986 00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:17,623 as three surgeries in as many days go bad. 987 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,253 And what do they do? Nothing. 988 00:50:22,270 --> 00:50:23,900 They don't report him 989 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,673 to the National Practitioner's Data Bank 990 00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:28,423 or the Texas Medical Board. 991 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:34,930 They allow this poorly-trained suboptimal surgeon to move on. 992 00:50:37,110 --> 00:50:40,680 The system broke down from the very beginning. 993 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,016 Now, I don't envy your jobs. 994 00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:47,120 Both sides have their own perceptions 995 00:50:47,140 --> 00:50:49,120 of... of what happened, 996 00:50:49,140 --> 00:50:52,480 but you're the sole judges of the facts. 997 00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:55,760 Render your verdict according to the law, 998 00:50:55,780 --> 00:50:57,493 not according to emotions 999 00:50:57,510 --> 00:51:00,281 or sympathies or sending a message. 1000 00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:03,043 It's about whether or not the State has proven to you 1001 00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:06,162 that a crime was committed. 1002 00:51:06,180 --> 00:51:09,791 It was a failure. 1003 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,710 It was a human failure, 1004 00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:19,560 a systemic failure, 1005 00:51:19,580 --> 00:51:21,540 but it wasn't a crime. 1006 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,850 On July 25th, 2012, 1007 00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:30,400 Christopher Duntsch went into surgery with Madeline Beyer, 1008 00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:32,188 an elderly individual. 1009 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,560 He crippled her. 1010 00:51:34,580 --> 00:51:38,611 Pedicle screws, drilled and redrilled. 1011 00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:42,993 Nerves shredded. Leaking dural sacs. 1012 00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:45,493 Muscles hacked into. 1013 00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:47,920 These things happened. 1014 00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:51,400 But was it intentional? 1015 00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:53,460 How do you know what he intended? 1016 00:51:54,700 --> 00:52:00,280 You look at what he does before, during, and after. 1017 00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:03,900 He lied, about "this is normal pain." 1018 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,144 "This is something new. 1019 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,433 "I didn't do this to you. 1020 00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:10,643 "It's simply swelling, Jerry. 1021 00:52:10,660 --> 00:52:13,188 "Surgery went fine, Madeline. 1022 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,533 "It's the surgical team's fault. 1023 00:52:15,550 --> 00:52:20,520 Your wives are dead, Earl, Harold." 1024 00:52:22,860 --> 00:52:24,741 Look at them. 1025 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:30,360 Look at the faces of the lives that were ruined. 1026 00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:33,360 We didn't bring them to you to have you convict him 1027 00:52:33,380 --> 00:52:35,500 based on sympathy. 1028 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,440 We bring them to you so that you can know 1029 00:52:38,460 --> 00:52:41,080 everything the defendant knew. 1030 00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:44,280 How many patients should it take 1031 00:52:44,310 --> 00:52:48,060 before you know that what you're doing is hurting people? 1032 00:52:49,660 --> 00:52:56,940 One, two, three? 1033 00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,693 You make your best friend a quadriplegic? 1034 00:53:00,710 --> 00:53:05,520 Four, you kill? Five, you kill? 1035 00:53:05,550 --> 00:53:07,784 Should I list all 33? 1036 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,120 I want to call them tragedies, 1037 00:53:11,140 --> 00:53:15,250 but that implies no one could have seen them coming. 1038 00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:18,843 These were assaults. 1039 00:53:18,860 --> 00:53:22,721 We're here talking about Madeline Beyer. 1040 00:53:22,740 --> 00:53:24,580 I know you don't have a doubt 1041 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,340 that when Christopher Duntsch went into Madeline Beyer's surgery, 1042 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,475 he was reasonably certain he was going to hurt her. 1043 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,190 That's the standard of knowing. 1044 00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:38,489 Not that you know 100%, 1045 00:53:38,490 --> 00:53:41,649 but that you're reasonably certain. 1046 00:53:41,650 --> 00:53:45,947 The defense is implying it was his training. 1047 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,501 He was trained for 17 years 1048 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,180 prior to operating on Mrs. Beyer. 1049 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,496 Trained at the University of Tennessee. 1050 00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:55,640 Trained at Semmes-Murphey. 1051 00:53:55,660 --> 00:53:57,500 Institutions with doctors 1052 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,721 who would not put their reputations on the line 1053 00:54:00,740 --> 00:54:03,840 by recommending a poorly trained surgeon. 1054 00:54:03,860 --> 00:54:07,600 [SOFT DRAMATIC MUSIC] 1055 00:54:07,620 --> 00:54:10,540 Don't blame his training. 1056 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,223 Blame him. 1057 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,480 Don't blame the system. 1058 00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:16,102 Blame him. 1059 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:20,400 He went into all those operations. 1060 00:54:20,420 --> 00:54:24,569 He put the scalpels to those patients' backs. 1061 00:54:24,580 --> 00:54:28,500 He kept going. 1062 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,600 All these people. 1063 00:54:31,940 --> 00:54:35,720 If you're a human who values life, 1064 00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:39,171 who understands suffering... 1065 00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:41,560 You heard Dr. Henderson. 1066 00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:44,214 One botched surgery, just one, 1067 00:54:44,220 --> 00:54:49,594 and he never would have entered the operating room ever again. 1068 00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:53,540 If you don't stop him, 1069 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,920 Christopher Duntsch will leave this courthouse, 1070 00:54:57,940 --> 00:55:01,493 leave this city, this state, 1071 00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:04,824 maybe even this country, 1072 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,701 and he will find a corner of the world 1073 00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:12,533 that allows him to continue hurting people. 1074 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:20,130 Only you can tell him no more. 1075 00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:27,140 ♪ ♪ 1076 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,000 They don't understand. 1077 00:55:30,740 --> 00:55:33,170 All I wanna do is go back to my research. 1078 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,893 You gotta tell 'em, Dad. 1079 00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:39,260 I will never practice surgery again. 1080 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,340 If they let me, I can still do good. 1081 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,040 - I can still help. - Just stop, okay? 1082 00:55:46,070 --> 00:55:47,902 It's time to stop. 1083 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,820 [SIGHS] 1084 00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:58,760 We had these hardwood floors when you were little. 1085 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:06,369 Active, always active. So energetic. 1086 00:56:06,370 --> 00:56:08,761 You were so strong. 1087 00:56:08,780 --> 00:56:12,440 You would push the furniture around across these floors. 1088 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,000 You never played with toys. It was always the furniture. 1089 00:56:18,460 --> 00:56:20,730 And how many times did I ask you 1090 00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:22,880 to stop it with the furniture? 1091 00:56:24,550 --> 00:56:26,774 But you wouldn't stop. 1092 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,840 You wouldn't stop. 1093 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,880 Maybe jail's the best thing for you, my boy. 1094 00:56:45,620 --> 00:56:47,795 You were less dull than I thought you'd be. 1095 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,170 You're too kind, Randy. 1096 00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:57,370 Probably blown the whole case, but nice job. 1097 00:57:00,970 --> 00:57:03,000 We could have done more. 1098 00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:05,580 We should have done it more. 1099 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,982 This is gonna happen again, you know. 1100 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,451 Suppose we could do something. 1101 00:57:11,470 --> 00:57:12,960 I suppose we should. 1102 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,540 Jury's back. 1103 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,120 All right, well, we got time for some hoops. 1104 00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:21,680 - I wish. - [CHUCKLES] 1105 00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:22,940 We gonna win? 1106 00:57:27,140 --> 00:57:30,300 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 1107 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:31,580 I don't know. 1108 00:57:34,740 --> 00:57:36,680 [SIGHS] 1109 00:57:38,860 --> 00:57:40,590 I'm sorry. 1110 00:57:42,660 --> 00:57:44,080 You did great. 1111 00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:52,193 ♪ ♪ 1112 00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:10,680 _ 1113 00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:13,720 _ 1114 00:58:13,740 --> 00:58:16,175 _ 1115 00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:19,340 _ 1116 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,200 _ 1117 00:58:23,220 --> 00:58:26,100 - _ - [EXHALES] 1118 00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,000 _ 1119 00:58:31,020 --> 00:58:34,810 _ 1120 00:58:34,830 --> 00:58:37,405 ♪ ♪ 1121 00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:41,940 _ 1122 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,540 _ 1123 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,460 _ 1124 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,547 _ 1125 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,757 _ 1126 00:58:56,770 --> 00:58:59,740 _ 1127 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,360 _ 1128 00:59:02,380 --> 00:59:04,515 _ 1129 00:59:04,530 --> 00:59:08,360 _ 1130 00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:11,314 _ 1131 00:59:11,330 --> 00:59:14,280 _ 1132 00:59:14,310 --> 00:59:16,700 _ 1133 00:59:16,730 --> 00:59:18,738 _ 1134 00:59:18,750 --> 00:59:25,620 _ 1135 00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,380 _ 1136 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,625 _ 1137 00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,020 _ 1138 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,340 _ 1139 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,843 _ 1140 00:59:40,860 --> 00:59:43,300 _ 1141 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,360 _ 1142 00:59:46,380 --> 00:59:48,740 _ 1143 00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,853 _ 1144 00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:55,020 _ 1145 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,860 _ 1146 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,322 ♪ ♪ 1147 01:00:01,340 --> 01:00:03,920 _ 1148 01:00:03,940 --> 01:00:06,860 _ 1149 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,520 _ 1150 01:00:09,540 --> 01:00:11,739 _ 1151 01:00:11,740 --> 01:00:16,170 ♪ ♪ 1152 01:00:16,190 --> 01:00:20,880 _ 1153 01:00:20,910 --> 01:00:26,597 _ 1154 01:00:26,610 --> 01:00:30,643 _ 1155 01:00:30,660 --> 01:00:35,960 ♪ ♪ 1156 01:00:50,070 --> 01:00:59,300 _ 1157 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:06,500 ♪ ♪ 1158 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:12,351 ♪ ♪ 1159 01:01:12,370 --> 01:01:15,500 ♪ ♪ 1160 01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:20,510 - Synced & corrected by MementMori - -- www.addic7ed.com -- 84681

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