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[faint indistinct chatter]
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[zipper unzips]
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[soft dramatic music]
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* *
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- Looking like a veritable
movie star.
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- Don't know how I got picked,
Mr. Summers.
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- Oh, you were
our number one choice, Janet.
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See you out there.
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- Here, Ma.
Excuse me, Jerry.
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Where do you want this?
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- Oh, exam room.
Thanks.
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- I feel bad asking,
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but do you think
I could talk with Dr. Duntsch?
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- Oh, he's real busy.
Can I do something?
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- It's more
of a doctor-patient thing.
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- Definitely don't want me
handling that stuff.
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I'll talk to him.
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- Thank you, Jerry.
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- Will you make sure your mom's
memorized on what she's saying?
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I don't want her
getting distracted
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with lights, camera, action.
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- Two reasons why patients
normally present
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to their doctors for pain
related to the spine.
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The first is related to
the peripheral nervous system.
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That's called radiculopathy.
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Now, normally, that type
of pain is associated
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with depression or with...
- Yo, Chris.
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- Degenerative changes in--
- Cut.
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- [sighs]
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Okay, um, let's take a break.
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Knock out
the patient's portion.
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Come back.
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- Good idea.
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Fuck me.
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I am so sorry.
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You're looking good.
Feeling good?
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- I thought it'd be
more professional.
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- Tell me what needs fixing,
Chrissy, anything.
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- Kim's all over it.
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- I know you're in the zone,
but Sarah wants to talk to you.
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Janet's daughter.
Our patient?
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- Oh, yeah, that's fine.
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- Hey. Dr. Duntsch,
how can I help you?
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- Hi, Dr. Duntsch.
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I noticed something
in my mom's scar.
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Like, blue peeking out,
like a piece of sponge.
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So I got some tweezers and...
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- Oh, wow.
You should not have done that.
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- Oh, my God.
What did I do?
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- No, it's just a stitch.
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It's fine, but--
okay, you should call me
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before you go digging around
in there again, okay?
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- I did call a few times.
- Quiet on set.
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- [shushes]
- You ready, Jenny?
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- Should I tell my own story?
Because this isn't my story.
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- Janet, you look great today.
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Thank you so much
for doing this.
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[whispering]
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[dramatic music]
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* *
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- You did good.
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- [quietly] Yeah.
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- Roll camera.
And action.
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- Dr. Duntsch is one great man.
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He is the best doctor I think
that you could ever go to,
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and if you're having
the problems that I had,
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you know, give him a call
because he'll fix you.
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- No God damn way.
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- Mr. Duntsch...
- Doctor.
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- I don't think you appreciate
the position you're in.
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- Doctor.
- Dr. Duntsch,
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I don't think you appreciate
the position you're in.
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- No, I don't.
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I do not appreciate
being locked up in a cage
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like a dog
for a year and a half.
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And I certainly do
not appreciate you telling me
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that my best bet going forward
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is not just to fire your asses
and hire real lawyers,
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but to ask for a continuance.
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- I need to find someone
to testify on your behalf.
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- Put me on the stand.
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If anybody else tries
to describe what it is
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that I do or how I do it,
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they're just gonna end up
looking like a bunch of jerks.
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- See, that right there is why
you can't take the stand.
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You're emotionally driven.
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And when you're emotional,
you can't control what you say.
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- [laughs]
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[grunts]
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[laughs softly]
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Try me.
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[soft tense music]
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* *
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- [sighs]
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You are a drug- and alcohol-
addicted surgeon
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who was too impaired
to perform surgeries.
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- Allegedly.
None of that was--
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- Like a drunk driver,
which, by the way,
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you have on your record,
Mr. Duntsch.
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- Doctor.
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- No, you're no longer
a doctor.
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You had your license stripped.
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- Temporarily.
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- Not if we have anything
to do with it.
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And how about that email?
The one in which
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you're prepared to become
a cold-blooded killer.
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- I never meant for that
to be taken literally--
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- You wrote it.
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So it was just a coincidence
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that you wrote
that email to your lover,
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who also happens to be
your assistant,
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just prior to killing
or maiming over 33 patients?
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- It's not my fault!
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The anesthesiologists
and the nurses
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and the fat fucking patients...
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[sighs]
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- Fire me,
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but know whoever
slides into this seat
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is gonna tell you
a version of the same thing.
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I am trying to keep you
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from spending the rest
of your life in prison.
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- I don't want to.
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You've got my deposition,
and you've got my records.
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I don't have anything
more to give.
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- The judge ruled you have
to testify in front--
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- How could the emails
not be true?
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He sent them to me.
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- The defense has a right
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to cross-examine you
and confirm that.
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[soft uneasy music]
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* *
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- You know, I thought
the other side of the world
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was far enough.
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They don't want me there
because of the emails.
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They wanna know about us,
about our relationship.
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[sniffles]
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[sighs]
What are they gonna ask?
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- If it were me,
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I would remind them
as often as I could
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that you two
were sleeping together
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to establish
a conflict of interest.
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- You mean to call me a whore
who can't be trusted?
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- I know you're trying to leave
this all behind, Ms. Morgan,
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but there's only
one way to do that.
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[sighs deeply]
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- This is hostile.
She's being hostile.
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- Do you need her to testify?
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- I do if I wanna introduce
that email.
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- Can you prove your case
without the email?
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- Precedent-setting
is precedent-setting,
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Dr. Henderson.
No one's ever done this before.
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Gotta assume
every little bit helps.
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- She's been through enough.
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- What the hell are you
talking about, Bob?
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She was in the O.R.
She was in the consult.
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She had to know
what was going on.
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You ask me,
she hasn't been through enough.
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- What about questioning his
training and the investments?
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And we have the hospitals
moving him around.
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What?
What?
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- We brought charges
of elder abuse.
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The only way to prove that
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is to prove that
he was trained well
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and that he knew
what he was doing,
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the whole time, he knew
he was going to harm her.
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- Well, what about the drugs?
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- That would be helpful, but--
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- Fine, fantastic.
Drag Kayla Gibson in here.
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- Unless Ms. Gibson knew
he was high and was with him
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in surgery that day,
it's inadmissible.
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- This is ridiculous.
- No, it's not.
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You came to me
to help you stop Duntsch.
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We have to choose.
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If he's our goal,
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then we have to focus on him
and only him.
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[tense music]
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- State, call
your first witness.
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- Drew Sweeney.
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- Joe Padua.
- Harold Brennan.
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- Earl Burke.
- Elaine Johnson.
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- Henry Aldrich.
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- Cindy Tremblay.
- Stan Novak.
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- Would you tell us
a little about yourself?
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- I'm 41.
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I work for the Collin County
Medical Examiner's Office.
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- I worked for a pool company.
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- My wife, Shelley, was an
elementary education teacher.
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- Dorothy and I were married
46 years.
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Two kids, nine grandkids.
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- Commercial construction
project manager.
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- Started driving trucks
in '98.
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- Two children--both had
better be in school right now.
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- I'm an
air conditioner contractor.
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- What were your symptoms
prior to seeing Dr. Duntsch?
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- Light back pain.
- Lower back pain.
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- We were decorating
the Christmas tree,
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and Shelley missed a rung.
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- Neck pain.
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- Pain in the neck
and numb pinky.
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- Numbness.
Tingling in my finger.
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- Back pain.
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Hard to be a mom when
you can't pick anything up.
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- Broke my back.
Motorcycle accident.
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- How did you hear
about Dr. Duntsch?
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- My doctor.
- Family doctor.
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- Website called Best Docs.
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- Baylor Medical website.
Five stars.
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- Seemed like he knew
what he was talking about.
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- He told us
he was gonna fix her.
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That's all we needed to know.
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- Arrogant.
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Told me he was the best
in the metroplex.
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- So it's the day
of the surgery.
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- I had second thoughts
that day.
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- My understanding
was my surgery was supposed
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to last a couple of hours.
It took four.
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- When you woke up
from surgery,
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what was that like?
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- A nightmare.
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I woke up in a nightmare,
tubes coming out of everywhere.
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Feeding tubes, drain tubes.
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- I couldn't move,
and the pain...
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- They were pumping me
full of blood,
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and I didn't know why.
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- I was sore.
I hurt.
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I was worse.
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- Couldn't move, and my wife
told me he'd found a tumor
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and had to abort the surgery.
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It turns out it was
a piece of my neck muscle.
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- Every bone hurt.
I was crying.
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I'm sober,
so I can't take the meds.
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- She never woke up.
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- I went home.
I laid around.
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Wasn't eating
or drinking anything
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'cause of the sore throat.
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- I remember being
like I was a baby.
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You know, like a baby
who can't hold himself up.
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First thing that went through
my mind: what's he done to me?
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- He looked at the incision
and said everything was fine.
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- He kept repeating himself.
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He kept saying that
what was wrong
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wasn't related to the surgery.
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- I knew there was
something wrong with this guy.
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Sorry, man.
You looked high as a kite.
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- Objection.
- Sustained.
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- Has this changed your life?
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- I walk with a limp.
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I have trouble
with incontinence,
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erectile dysfunction.
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- I can't sing.
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Not that I was
ever a good singer,
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but that's just
an everyday reminder.
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- She was the love of my life.
254
00:11:11,046 --> 00:11:13,206
It's hard to get over
a broken heart.
255
00:11:13,256 --> 00:11:14,876
- Just living
one day at a time,
256
00:11:14,924 --> 00:11:16,434
just like recovery.
257
00:11:16,468 --> 00:11:19,178
- I can't play with my children
like I used to.
258
00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:22,310
- I learned ways
to control the pain,
259
00:11:22,349 --> 00:11:24,849
mostly through
prayer and meditation.
260
00:11:24,893 --> 00:11:28,273
- I sit in a recliner,
watch TV,
261
00:11:28,313 --> 00:11:31,693
a lot of medicine,
antidepressants.
262
00:11:31,733 --> 00:11:34,403
- I miss her.
263
00:11:35,820 --> 00:11:37,910
She was--
264
00:11:37,947 --> 00:11:41,657
she was a very--
265
00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:44,581
very good woman.
266
00:11:44,621 --> 00:11:48,461
And that's all I can say.
267
00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:51,840
- Can you tell us
how old you are?
268
00:11:51,878 --> 00:11:54,048
- 70.
269
00:11:54,089 --> 00:11:57,719
- And what did you do
for a living?
270
00:11:57,759 --> 00:12:00,259
- I was a teacher's aide,
271
00:12:00,303 --> 00:12:04,393
and then I worked
in physical therapy for a bit.
272
00:12:04,432 --> 00:12:06,772
Ironic.
273
00:12:08,144 --> 00:12:10,734
- What took you
to Christopher Duntsch?
274
00:12:10,772 --> 00:12:13,782
- I had back pain for years,
275
00:12:13,817 --> 00:12:18,237
and it radiated
to the end of my foot.
276
00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:21,489
And I tried all the treatments.
277
00:12:21,533 --> 00:12:24,743
Steroid shots, PT.
278
00:12:24,786 --> 00:12:26,366
Nothing worked.
279
00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:29,923
- Before you met the defendant,
had you had surgery?
280
00:12:29,958 --> 00:12:31,958
- Mm-hmm.
2008.
281
00:12:32,002 --> 00:12:33,292
A laminectomy.
282
00:12:33,336 --> 00:12:37,546
It helped
for a number of years,
283
00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:42,470
but it didn't last and then
my pain management team
284
00:12:42,512 --> 00:12:44,762
referred me to Dr. Duntsch.
285
00:12:44,806 --> 00:12:48,936
- How did you feel going
into the surgery?
286
00:12:48,977 --> 00:12:53,147
- Fine.
Good.
287
00:12:53,189 --> 00:12:57,399
I walked into
the hospital happy,
288
00:12:57,444 --> 00:13:02,034
and I was thinking,
"This is gonna fix it."
289
00:13:02,073 --> 00:13:05,993
- And how did you feel
when you woke up?
290
00:13:07,829 --> 00:13:10,079
- I was in pain.
291
00:13:10,123 --> 00:13:12,633
[disquieting music]
292
00:13:12,667 --> 00:13:15,627
I was in pain,
293
00:13:15,670 --> 00:13:18,470
and no one could tell me
what was wrong with me
294
00:13:18,506 --> 00:13:20,966
until Dr. Henderson.
295
00:13:21,009 --> 00:13:23,799
He said that he thought that
296
00:13:23,845 --> 00:13:27,305
the fusion
was improperly placed,
297
00:13:27,349 --> 00:13:32,309
and that something
was pressing against a nerve.
298
00:13:32,354 --> 00:13:34,314
He said he didn't want to wait
299
00:13:34,356 --> 00:13:38,146
to operate on me,
so they rushed me in.
300
00:13:38,193 --> 00:13:41,653
- What happened after
Dr. Henderson operated on you?
301
00:13:41,696 --> 00:13:44,946
- The pain was much better,
and I could--
302
00:13:44,991 --> 00:13:48,371
I could move
my right foot a bit,
303
00:13:48,411 --> 00:13:50,461
but not my left.
304
00:13:50,497 --> 00:13:54,457
- So prior to surgery
with Christopher Duntsch,
305
00:13:54,501 --> 00:13:59,381
you had pain,
but you could still live life.
306
00:14:00,965 --> 00:14:03,545
And now?
307
00:14:05,387 --> 00:14:07,007
- I wish I could go back
to the days
308
00:14:07,055 --> 00:14:09,765
before I met
Christopher Duntsch.
309
00:14:09,808 --> 00:14:13,558
[unsettling music]
310
00:14:13,603 --> 00:14:16,483
[faint indistinct chatter]
311
00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:25,163
- Would you please
introduce yourself to the jury?
312
00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:27,328
- Randall Parker Kirby.
313
00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:30,537
I went to Rice undergrad.
Baylor for medical school.
314
00:14:30,578 --> 00:14:31,618
Stayed at Baylor for
315
00:14:31,663 --> 00:14:33,753
my five-year
general surgery residency
316
00:14:33,790 --> 00:14:36,500
as well as my two-year
vascular surgery fellowship.
317
00:14:36,543 --> 00:14:39,883
I have privileges at every
major hospital in Dallas,
318
00:14:39,921 --> 00:14:42,471
including Baylor,
Medical City Dallas,
319
00:14:42,507 --> 00:14:44,217
Medical City Children's,
320
00:14:44,259 --> 00:14:47,509
Methodist,
Dallas Medical, Presbyterian,
321
00:14:47,554 --> 00:14:50,434
and approximately
40 other smaller hospitals
322
00:14:50,473 --> 00:14:53,523
and outpatient surgery centers
here in the metroplex.
323
00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,190
My area of expertise
is anterior spinal access.
324
00:14:58,231 --> 00:15:00,441
I work with most
of the neurosurgical
325
00:15:00,483 --> 00:15:03,703
and orthopedic spine
surgeons here in DFW.
326
00:15:03,737 --> 00:15:07,777
I open up the chest and
the abdomen so they can correct
327
00:15:07,824 --> 00:15:10,834
whatever deformity they need
to correct in the front.
328
00:15:10,869 --> 00:15:16,329
I perform between two to four
of these operations per day.
329
00:15:16,374 --> 00:15:18,754
Five--call it six days a week.
330
00:15:18,793 --> 00:15:22,713
I do hernias, gallbladders,
331
00:15:22,756 --> 00:15:25,376
blockages of the legs
and the neck arteries, anyone?
332
00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:30,055
But my area of expertise
and the chapters I've published
333
00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:32,306
have all been
on anterior spine access.
334
00:15:32,349 --> 00:15:33,929
- And were you called in
on a case
335
00:15:33,975 --> 00:15:36,055
regarding a patient
named Joe Padua?
336
00:15:36,102 --> 00:15:39,022
- Yeah, he works
with the company
337
00:15:39,064 --> 00:15:40,274
that takes care of my pool.
338
00:15:40,315 --> 00:15:42,935
I was asked to come in,
lend a hand.
339
00:15:42,984 --> 00:15:44,444
It seemed nobody else
was available.
340
00:15:44,486 --> 00:15:45,446
- Available?
341
00:15:45,487 --> 00:15:46,777
- Nobody wanted
to work with him.
342
00:15:46,821 --> 00:15:48,111
- Objection.
343
00:15:48,156 --> 00:15:49,276
The witness has
no way of knowing that.
344
00:15:49,324 --> 00:15:50,744
- [chuckles]
Oh, I do.
345
00:15:50,784 --> 00:15:52,834
- Sustained.
- Eh.
346
00:15:52,869 --> 00:15:56,209
- Did you know Dr. Duntsch
prior to this surgery?
347
00:15:56,247 --> 00:15:58,827
- I met him one time
before we had a conversation.
348
00:15:58,875 --> 00:16:03,085
I was scrubbing in on a case,
and he tried to convince me
349
00:16:03,129 --> 00:16:07,089
that he was
the best spine surgeon in town.
350
00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:09,763
I found the conversation
disturbing.
351
00:16:09,803 --> 00:16:12,563
I mean, sure, most surgeons
are superior sons of guns,
352
00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:14,267
some would even say
yours truly,
353
00:16:14,307 --> 00:16:16,847
but this guy was next level.
354
00:16:16,893 --> 00:16:17,983
I mean, he tried to tell me
355
00:16:18,019 --> 00:16:19,349
that all the surgeries
in Dallas
356
00:16:19,396 --> 00:16:22,356
were being performed
incorrectly.
357
00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:25,359
- And what did you observe
during your operation with him?
358
00:16:25,402 --> 00:16:28,032
- An anterior lumbar fusion
at L5-S1
359
00:16:28,071 --> 00:16:31,621
is about the easiest procedure
a spine surgeon can perform,
360
00:16:31,658 --> 00:16:33,538
and he just struggled.
361
00:16:33,576 --> 00:16:35,116
I mean, he was functioning
at the level
362
00:16:35,161 --> 00:16:37,831
of a first-
or second-year resident.
363
00:16:37,872 --> 00:16:40,672
Instead of using a scalpel
to remove the disc,
364
00:16:40,709 --> 00:16:44,299
he just started grabbing at it
with a double-action rongeur.
365
00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,840
All right, imagine, instead
of using a pizza slicer
366
00:16:48,883 --> 00:16:51,853
to divide and conquer
your extra-large pepperoni,
367
00:16:51,886 --> 00:16:55,306
you went after it
with a pair of lockjaw pliers.
368
00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:57,808
Not appetizing, right?
369
00:16:57,851 --> 00:16:59,311
- Did it appear to you
370
00:16:59,352 --> 00:17:02,152
that there was more blood loss
than there should be?
371
00:17:02,188 --> 00:17:03,858
- When he was taking
the disc out,
372
00:17:03,898 --> 00:17:05,478
he took off a bit of bone
373
00:17:05,525 --> 00:17:08,525
from the bottom
of the L5 vertebral body.
374
00:17:08,570 --> 00:17:12,160
In surgical parlance,
he violated the endplate.
375
00:17:12,198 --> 00:17:14,488
Very difficult to do
in healthy bone.
376
00:17:14,534 --> 00:17:16,334
He did the same thing
to the sacrum.
377
00:17:16,369 --> 00:17:18,159
When you start chewing
into bone,
378
00:17:18,204 --> 00:17:19,714
you get a lot of bleeding.
379
00:17:19,748 --> 00:17:23,708
It's not easy to stop bleeding
when it's coming from bone.
380
00:17:23,752 --> 00:17:26,502
You're just really
not supposed to do that.
381
00:17:26,546 --> 00:17:28,716
- What are you supposed to do?
382
00:17:28,757 --> 00:17:30,877
- Curet off the cartilage.
383
00:17:30,925 --> 00:17:32,635
A curet is like a scraper.
384
00:17:32,677 --> 00:17:34,467
You scrape off
all the cartilage
385
00:17:34,512 --> 00:17:37,932
so you can get a proper fusion,
and then heal bone to bone.
386
00:17:37,974 --> 00:17:39,854
- When did you leave
the surgery?
387
00:17:39,893 --> 00:17:43,483
- Midway, I was called into a
previously scheduled operation.
388
00:17:43,521 --> 00:17:44,441
Grudgingly.
389
00:17:44,481 --> 00:17:47,111
- Grudgingly.
Why grudgingly?
390
00:17:47,150 --> 00:17:50,110
[soft tense music]
391
00:17:50,153 --> 00:17:52,823
* *
392
00:17:52,864 --> 00:17:56,244
- He was the neurosurgeon.
He was in charge.
393
00:17:56,284 --> 00:17:57,834
I did my job.
394
00:17:57,869 --> 00:18:03,329
I did my best to guide him,
and then I left.
395
00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:08,210
In hindsight, I suppose I could
have dragged him out of there.
396
00:18:08,254 --> 00:18:11,514
If there's ever a next time,
I will.
397
00:18:11,549 --> 00:18:14,469
[faint indistinct chatter]
398
00:18:15,470 --> 00:18:18,100
- State passes.
- Defense.
399
00:18:26,773 --> 00:18:30,243
- You stated that Dr. Duntsch
was operating at the level
400
00:18:30,276 --> 00:18:33,196
of a first- or second-year
surgical resident.
401
00:18:33,238 --> 00:18:35,568
How many years does
a neurosurgical resident
402
00:18:35,615 --> 00:18:36,775
typically study?
403
00:18:36,825 --> 00:18:38,535
- Six.
404
00:18:38,576 --> 00:18:40,656
- And would that include
his training?
405
00:18:40,704 --> 00:18:43,624
- [laughs softly]
Or lack thereof.
406
00:18:44,958 --> 00:18:48,338
- Or lack thereof.
407
00:18:50,213 --> 00:18:52,093
Well said.
408
00:18:52,132 --> 00:18:54,222
Defense passes the witness.
409
00:18:54,259 --> 00:18:57,099
- We stand in recess
until tomorrow.
410
00:18:57,137 --> 00:19:00,097
[indistinct chatter]
411
00:19:00,140 --> 00:19:03,060
[dramatic music]
412
00:19:03,101 --> 00:19:10,151
* *
413
00:19:12,444 --> 00:19:15,614
- We can shift the blame
to your training.
414
00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:21,160
- My training was some
of the best in the world.
415
00:19:21,202 --> 00:19:24,502
- No, it was some of the worst.
416
00:19:25,665 --> 00:19:27,285
- What are you talking about?
417
00:19:27,334 --> 00:19:29,504
- We'll say you slipped
through the cracks.
418
00:19:29,544 --> 00:19:30,844
You were told you were
good enough to graduate,
419
00:19:30,879 --> 00:19:32,419
but you didn't have enough
training hours.
420
00:19:32,464 --> 00:19:35,014
Your financial ties to Skadden
421
00:19:35,050 --> 00:19:37,260
and the rest of the investors
blinded them to your--
422
00:19:37,302 --> 00:19:38,472
to your flaws.
- Stop.
423
00:19:38,511 --> 00:19:39,681
- The entire medical community
424
00:19:39,721 --> 00:19:41,221
of Dallas
should have recognized it.
425
00:19:41,264 --> 00:19:44,314
Instead, they simply moved you
from hospital to hospital.
426
00:19:44,351 --> 00:19:48,521
- You are erasing my legacy.
427
00:19:49,773 --> 00:19:51,363
- Legacy?
428
00:19:51,399 --> 00:19:54,739
Christopher, you're done.
429
00:19:54,778 --> 00:19:55,898
- Fuck you.
430
00:19:55,945 --> 00:19:57,155
- You'll never practice
medicine again.
431
00:19:57,197 --> 00:19:58,817
- Fuck you.
432
00:19:58,865 --> 00:20:00,325
And why aren't you pushing back
on any of their witnesses?
433
00:20:00,367 --> 00:20:01,787
- How exactly would I do that,
Chris?
434
00:20:01,826 --> 00:20:03,786
- I don't know.
That's your job, isn't it?
435
00:20:03,828 --> 00:20:05,908
You break them down.
You tell them they're wrong.
436
00:20:05,955 --> 00:20:08,535
You get them to admit--
admit whatever it was
437
00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:10,093
that they lied to me about
that messed up their surgery.
438
00:20:10,126 --> 00:20:11,286
- Chris--
439
00:20:11,336 --> 00:20:13,296
- You do something
to defend me.
440
00:20:13,338 --> 00:20:14,668
- The only witness,
441
00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:16,474
the only defense
that I have right now
442
00:20:16,508 --> 00:20:20,178
is gonna speak
to your narcissism.
443
00:20:20,220 --> 00:20:22,600
Our best bet is to prove
444
00:20:22,639 --> 00:20:24,309
that you never should
have practiced medicine.
445
00:20:24,349 --> 00:20:27,099
Give me this.
Please give me this,
446
00:20:27,143 --> 00:20:29,313
and we might be able
to save you.
447
00:20:29,354 --> 00:20:31,984
- [sighs]
448
00:21:21,781 --> 00:21:24,451
- Thanks for being here today,
Mr. Summers.
449
00:21:24,492 --> 00:21:28,002
Can you tell us
how you know Mr. Duntsch?
450
00:21:30,915 --> 00:21:35,165
- We were classmates.
Went to high school together.
451
00:21:35,211 --> 00:21:36,761
Lost touch.
452
00:21:36,796 --> 00:21:40,046
Reconnected when he returned
to medical school in Memphis.
453
00:21:40,091 --> 00:21:43,641
- What led you to have surgery
with Mr. Duntsch?
454
00:21:43,678 --> 00:21:47,218
- Sharp, stabbing-like
sticking pain in my neck.
455
00:21:47,265 --> 00:21:48,595
Numbness.
456
00:21:48,641 --> 00:21:50,691
- Did he explain the risks?
457
00:21:50,727 --> 00:21:53,187
- He advised it was dangerous.
458
00:21:53,229 --> 00:21:55,899
He promised to take care of me.
459
00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:59,530
- What did you do the night
before the surgery?
460
00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:13,208
- Watched a game.
Basketball.
461
00:22:13,249 --> 00:22:16,169
Then I went
to bed around 10:00.
462
00:22:16,211 --> 00:22:19,961
May--maybe more like 11:30.
463
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:24,679
- What's the first thing
you remember after the surgery?
464
00:22:26,304 --> 00:22:29,604
- I could barely move.
465
00:22:29,641 --> 00:22:35,021
I just kind of started
freaking out, hollering.
466
00:22:35,063 --> 00:22:36,483
Wanting to know
what was going on.
467
00:22:36,523 --> 00:22:39,733
- And did Chris
come and talk to you?
468
00:22:39,776 --> 00:22:44,026
- Not at first, but eventually.
469
00:22:44,072 --> 00:22:47,122
And then they took me
in for a second surgery,
470
00:22:47,158 --> 00:22:49,948
and when I got out,
I couldn't move at all.
471
00:22:49,994 --> 00:22:52,914
- Do you remember making
a statement in the ICU
472
00:22:52,956 --> 00:22:55,456
that you and Chris
were doing cocaine together
473
00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:58,000
the night prior to surgery?
474
00:23:05,093 --> 00:23:07,933
- I wanted to see him.
475
00:23:07,971 --> 00:23:13,181
He wasn't coming around,
and I--I was mad.
476
00:23:13,226 --> 00:23:15,306
I made it up.
477
00:23:15,353 --> 00:23:18,233
He was my doctor.
478
00:23:18,273 --> 00:23:20,533
I wanted to know
why I couldn't move.
479
00:23:20,567 --> 00:23:22,647
He was in charge.
480
00:23:22,694 --> 00:23:26,164
He wouldn't come see me.
481
00:23:26,197 --> 00:23:28,487
- And he was your friend?
482
00:23:31,536 --> 00:23:34,496
Let the record show
the witness nodded.
483
00:23:34,539 --> 00:23:36,749
He was your best friend?
484
00:23:38,752 --> 00:23:41,052
Let the record show
the witness nodded.
485
00:23:42,714 --> 00:23:45,344
And he abandoned you?
486
00:23:45,383 --> 00:23:48,303
[pensive music]
487
00:23:48,345 --> 00:23:49,635
* *
488
00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:52,679
The State passes the witness.
489
00:23:59,064 --> 00:24:03,074
- I'm terribly sorry
for what happened to you.
490
00:24:05,779 --> 00:24:10,079
You and Chris played
football together, yes?
491
00:24:10,116 --> 00:24:11,276
- That's right.
492
00:24:11,326 --> 00:24:14,246
- And did you have
some victories
493
00:24:14,287 --> 00:24:16,577
and some not-so-great games?
494
00:24:18,458 --> 00:24:19,628
- Yeah.
495
00:24:19,668 --> 00:24:21,918
- And how did Chris deal
with those games?
496
00:24:21,961 --> 00:24:26,091
Did he always go in
and always try to do his best?
497
00:24:27,425 --> 00:24:29,585
- Yeah.
498
00:24:30,428 --> 00:24:33,518
- Were you aware that he was
in a fellowship program
499
00:24:33,556 --> 00:24:35,806
studying under
Dr. Geoffrey Skadden?
500
00:24:35,850 --> 00:24:37,230
- Yes.
501
00:24:37,268 --> 00:24:39,808
- And from your understanding,
was it very important,
502
00:24:39,854 --> 00:24:42,024
what he was doing
for Dr. Skadden?
503
00:24:44,234 --> 00:24:45,364
- Yeah.
504
00:24:45,402 --> 00:24:47,612
- And things like
doing surgeries
505
00:24:47,654 --> 00:24:51,244
while he was there
under Skadden's supervision,
506
00:24:51,282 --> 00:24:54,542
that was important to becoming
a successful surgeon?
507
00:24:54,577 --> 00:24:55,907
- Yeah.
508
00:24:55,954 --> 00:24:59,084
- Did you ever see Chris
get out of obligations
509
00:24:59,124 --> 00:25:00,834
that he had at school?
510
00:25:02,293 --> 00:25:04,093
- I felt that way sometimes.
511
00:25:04,129 --> 00:25:06,089
- Can you give us
an example of that?
512
00:25:06,131 --> 00:25:09,801
Like, something that you saw
or that made you think that?
513
00:25:09,843 --> 00:25:12,263
- I can just remember
maybe making a phone call
514
00:25:12,303 --> 00:25:13,723
to a doctor,
515
00:25:13,763 --> 00:25:15,603
maybe Dr. Skadden
or another doctor,
516
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,310
to say that he had stuff
to do for DiscGenics.
517
00:25:19,352 --> 00:25:22,732
And I can remember them
518
00:25:22,772 --> 00:25:25,652
let him out
whatever he had to do.
519
00:25:25,692 --> 00:25:27,612
- When you would find out
that Dr. Skadden
520
00:25:27,652 --> 00:25:29,572
and/or some other doctor
would just excuse him
521
00:25:29,612 --> 00:25:32,992
from doing things at school
in lieu of staying in the lab,
522
00:25:33,033 --> 00:25:34,663
I mean, did you think
that was a problem?
523
00:25:34,701 --> 00:25:36,791
- I never knew that,
you know, what was happening,
524
00:25:36,828 --> 00:25:40,748
and so I--I--I don't know
what he was missing
525
00:25:40,790 --> 00:25:43,380
or where he was going.
So I--I don't know.
526
00:25:43,418 --> 00:25:44,458
- Okay.
527
00:25:44,502 --> 00:25:45,712
Well, did you ever meet
528
00:25:45,754 --> 00:25:49,224
any one of his classmates,
or anyone
529
00:25:49,257 --> 00:25:51,297
who went to the University
of Tennessee Med School,
530
00:25:51,343 --> 00:25:52,893
and talk to them
about the rigors
531
00:25:52,927 --> 00:25:57,057
of completing medical school
and completing that fellowship?
532
00:25:57,098 --> 00:25:58,728
- I don't remember.
533
00:25:58,767 --> 00:26:00,517
- You don't remember
anyone saying
534
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,520
that he only got
through medical school
535
00:26:03,563 --> 00:26:05,273
because Skadden liked him?
536
00:26:05,315 --> 00:26:07,185
- I heard that after--you know,
537
00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:09,323
something similar to that
since my surgery.
538
00:26:09,361 --> 00:26:12,531
- Do you remember who that was
that told you that or is that--
539
00:26:12,572 --> 00:26:14,492
- I heard it from a friend
540
00:26:14,532 --> 00:26:15,662
who heard it
from another friend,
541
00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:17,120
and he made a comment
542
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,660
that Chris was able
to circumvent the program.
543
00:26:22,374 --> 00:26:25,424
- Did they attribute that
circumventing to Dr. Skadden
544
00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:27,170
or some other doctor or both?
- I don't know.
545
00:26:27,212 --> 00:26:28,422
I don't--I don't know.
546
00:26:28,463 --> 00:26:29,923
- Okay.
- I don't know.
547
00:26:29,964 --> 00:26:31,634
- Okay, you said
you understood--
548
00:26:31,675 --> 00:26:32,965
- I think what
they attributed to is the fact
549
00:26:33,009 --> 00:26:34,009
that they had companies
with them.
550
00:26:34,052 --> 00:26:35,512
- Well, that was the next thing
551
00:26:35,553 --> 00:26:36,813
I was gonna ask you about.
552
00:26:36,846 --> 00:26:40,266
You said they had
companies with him.
553
00:26:40,308 --> 00:26:43,348
They gave all the funds
to those companies.
554
00:26:43,395 --> 00:26:44,645
- Right.
555
00:26:44,688 --> 00:26:46,978
- For him to do
the research, right?
556
00:26:47,023 --> 00:26:48,153
- Right.
557
00:26:48,191 --> 00:26:50,441
- Okay, and it was
very important
558
00:26:50,485 --> 00:26:53,525
that research be successful
to those companies.
559
00:26:53,571 --> 00:26:55,571
Is that correct?
560
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:58,370
- Yeah.
561
00:26:58,410 --> 00:27:00,370
- Now, when Chris moved here,
562
00:27:00,412 --> 00:27:02,122
did he cut off all work
563
00:27:02,163 --> 00:27:05,253
with Dr. Skadden
and DiscGenics?
564
00:27:05,291 --> 00:27:06,461
- Not that I know of.
565
00:27:06,501 --> 00:27:08,041
- So Chris came to Dallas,
566
00:27:08,086 --> 00:27:10,666
and he worked at the Minimally
Invasive Spine Institute.
567
00:27:10,714 --> 00:27:12,054
Is that correct?
568
00:27:12,090 --> 00:27:13,050
- Yeah.
569
00:27:13,091 --> 00:27:14,931
- And while he was
working there,
570
00:27:14,968 --> 00:27:18,008
he was being pursued
by Amy Piel at Baylor-Plano.
571
00:27:18,054 --> 00:27:19,064
Is that correct?
572
00:27:19,097 --> 00:27:20,717
- Well, she was interested
in having
573
00:27:20,765 --> 00:27:22,675
a successful clinic
on the property.
574
00:27:22,726 --> 00:27:26,306
- Mm-hmm.
All to herself.
575
00:27:26,354 --> 00:27:30,074
Because if he was with Missy,
576
00:27:30,108 --> 00:27:33,948
she wasn't getting all the fees
that he would generate.
577
00:27:36,281 --> 00:27:37,781
- Yeah.
578
00:27:37,824 --> 00:27:43,914
- So both the chair
of his fellowship,
579
00:27:43,955 --> 00:27:45,825
the person responsible
for his training,
580
00:27:45,874 --> 00:27:48,174
and one of
the largest hospitals
581
00:27:48,209 --> 00:27:52,129
in the Dallas-Fort Worth area
had financial reasons
582
00:27:52,172 --> 00:27:56,722
for ensuring that Christopher
Duntsch was successful.
583
00:28:01,723 --> 00:28:03,893
- I'd say so.
584
00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:09,483
- Defense passes the witness.
585
00:28:09,522 --> 00:28:11,782
- Redirect.
586
00:28:13,151 --> 00:28:16,781
Did Christopher ever visit you
after the surgery?
587
00:28:16,821 --> 00:28:19,951
After you returned home
to Memphis?
588
00:28:21,493 --> 00:28:24,163
- Once.
He came to visit.
589
00:28:25,663 --> 00:28:29,333
- What did you talk about?
590
00:28:29,376 --> 00:28:33,336
- His baby, his practice.
591
00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:35,010
Nothing in depth.
592
00:28:35,048 --> 00:28:37,678
- Did he ask about you?
593
00:28:38,718 --> 00:28:42,718
About what was happening
in your life?
594
00:28:44,808 --> 00:28:47,388
- No.
595
00:28:47,435 --> 00:28:51,815
- Ms. McClung said
that she was sorry
596
00:28:51,856 --> 00:28:53,316
for what happened to you,
597
00:28:53,358 --> 00:28:56,318
even though she has
no connection to your surgery.
598
00:28:56,361 --> 00:29:01,491
Has Christopher
ever said he was sorry?
599
00:29:01,533 --> 00:29:04,493
[dramatic music]
600
00:29:04,536 --> 00:29:07,576
* *
601
00:29:07,622 --> 00:29:10,042
- No.
602
00:29:13,211 --> 00:29:17,171
- Final question, Mr. Summers.
603
00:29:17,215 --> 00:29:19,295
He's here now.
604
00:29:19,342 --> 00:29:22,012
Is there anything
you want to say to him?
605
00:29:22,053 --> 00:29:24,763
- Objection.
- Sustained.
606
00:29:29,436 --> 00:29:31,186
- I love you.
607
00:29:31,229 --> 00:29:35,029
- The jury will disregard
that last statement.
608
00:29:35,066 --> 00:29:38,106
- The State has
no further questions.
609
00:29:49,622 --> 00:29:52,382
- Would you please
introduce yourself to the jury?
610
00:29:52,417 --> 00:29:53,917
- Major Kimberly Morgan.
611
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,420
United States Air Force.
612
00:29:55,462 --> 00:29:57,802
- And are you currently
out on deployment
613
00:29:57,839 --> 00:29:59,879
in a location
you cannot disclose?
614
00:29:59,924 --> 00:30:01,684
- Yes, ma'am, due to security.
615
00:30:01,718 --> 00:30:03,548
- Are you familiar
with a person
616
00:30:03,595 --> 00:30:04,885
named Christopher Duntsch?
617
00:30:04,929 --> 00:30:06,219
- Yes, ma'am.
618
00:30:06,264 --> 00:30:07,684
I ran the office at his clinic
619
00:30:07,724 --> 00:30:09,184
and assisted in surgery.
620
00:30:09,225 --> 00:30:11,515
- Can you tell us
what the defendant was like?
621
00:30:11,561 --> 00:30:12,811
His demeanor?
622
00:30:12,854 --> 00:30:15,654
- Caring, kind,
623
00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:17,780
always very nice
to the patients.
624
00:30:17,817 --> 00:30:19,277
He took time
to listen to them.
625
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,029
- And did that change
over the course
626
00:30:22,072 --> 00:30:24,372
of the time you were with him?
627
00:30:24,407 --> 00:30:26,907
- Yes,
628
00:30:26,951 --> 00:30:29,701
after the event
in February 2012.
629
00:30:29,746 --> 00:30:33,036
- The event?
630
00:30:33,083 --> 00:30:34,673
- Jerry Summers' surgery.
631
00:30:34,709 --> 00:30:37,799
[tender music]
632
00:30:38,380 --> 00:30:42,300
Mr. Summers wasn't able
to use his limbs,
633
00:30:42,342 --> 00:30:46,012
was having
difficulty breathing,
634
00:30:46,054 --> 00:30:48,224
and then he talked about
how he and Dr. Duntsch
635
00:30:48,264 --> 00:30:51,064
were doing cocaine
the night before the surgery.
636
00:30:51,101 --> 00:30:53,731
- You were ordered
to take a drug test?
637
00:30:53,770 --> 00:30:57,320
- Myself and Dr. Duntsch.
I took it right away that day.
638
00:30:57,357 --> 00:30:58,567
- Did the defendant?
639
00:30:58,608 --> 00:30:59,978
- Eventually.
640
00:31:00,026 --> 00:31:01,316
It came back clean,
641
00:31:01,361 --> 00:31:03,491
and Baylor reinstated
his privileges.
642
00:31:03,530 --> 00:31:05,030
- Shelley Brennan would be
643
00:31:05,073 --> 00:31:07,493
the last patient
you assisted on?
644
00:31:09,577 --> 00:31:10,867
- Yes.
645
00:31:10,912 --> 00:31:13,422
- What do you remember
about her surgery?
646
00:31:14,374 --> 00:31:17,344
[ominous music]
647
00:31:17,377 --> 00:31:24,177
* *
648
00:31:24,217 --> 00:31:27,847
- It's a simple surgery.
649
00:31:27,887 --> 00:31:31,137
In one day, home the next.
650
00:31:32,517 --> 00:31:37,397
- This is an email
from Duntsch@TNIclinic.net
651
00:31:37,439 --> 00:31:39,569
to Kimberly Morgan.
652
00:31:39,607 --> 00:31:41,647
The subject is "Occam's Razor."
653
00:31:41,693 --> 00:31:46,743
"Kim, unfortunately,
you cannot understand that
654
00:31:46,781 --> 00:31:50,081
"I really am building
an empire,
655
00:31:50,118 --> 00:31:53,118
"and I am so far
outside the box
656
00:31:53,163 --> 00:31:57,213
"that the Earth is small
and the Sun is bright.
657
00:31:57,250 --> 00:32:00,250
"Anyone close to me thinks
that I'm likely
658
00:32:00,295 --> 00:32:02,915
"something
between God, Einstein,
659
00:32:02,964 --> 00:32:05,094
and the Antichrist...
660
00:32:05,133 --> 00:32:07,303
- Because how can I do
anything that I want
661
00:32:07,344 --> 00:32:09,104
across any discipline boundary
662
00:32:09,137 --> 00:32:12,177
like it's a playground
and never ever lose?
663
00:32:12,223 --> 00:32:14,353
Unfortunately,
despite the fact
664
00:32:14,392 --> 00:32:17,902
that I am winning, it is not
happening fast enough.
665
00:32:17,937 --> 00:32:20,267
What is the problem, Kim?
666
00:32:20,315 --> 00:32:23,565
It is simply that
everyone else is human,
667
00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:26,150
and there's nothing
I can do about it.
668
00:32:26,196 --> 00:32:29,276
So I pick and choose my humans
669
00:32:29,324 --> 00:32:32,374
and try to help them.
670
00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:36,210
You, my child,
671
00:32:36,247 --> 00:32:41,247
are the only one standing
between me and the other side.
672
00:32:41,294 --> 00:32:46,594
I am ready to leave the love
and kindness and goodness
673
00:32:46,633 --> 00:32:50,853
and patience that I mixed
with everything else that I am
674
00:32:50,887 --> 00:32:53,347
and become
a cold-blooded killer.
675
00:32:53,390 --> 00:32:57,310
The sad fact is,
I could go faster, do better,
676
00:32:57,352 --> 00:32:59,522
catch more honor and respect
677
00:32:59,562 --> 00:33:02,022
by fucking everybody
in the brain,
678
00:33:02,065 --> 00:33:03,855
emotionally and mentally
controlling them
679
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:06,110
in a manner
that borders on abuse,
680
00:33:06,152 --> 00:33:10,322
taking no prisoners,
sending everyone in my way,
681
00:33:10,365 --> 00:33:13,485
especially that
fucks with me, to hell
682
00:33:13,535 --> 00:33:17,155
for the simple fact
that they thought they could.
683
00:33:19,082 --> 00:33:23,002
What I am being as what I am,
684
00:33:23,044 --> 00:33:26,054
one of a kind,
685
00:33:26,089 --> 00:33:30,929
a motherfucker
stone-cold killer.
686
00:33:35,098 --> 00:33:38,638
- I'll pass my witness,
Your Honor.
687
00:33:38,685 --> 00:33:40,095
- I don't think it's morning
688
00:33:40,145 --> 00:33:43,395
where you are,
but good morning.
689
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,490
Now, the State is making
a big deal out of this email
690
00:33:47,527 --> 00:33:49,237
they just read.
691
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,029
Did you know Christopher
liked poetry?
692
00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:53,833
- I found out later.
693
00:33:53,867 --> 00:33:57,617
- But you're not surprised
by his--his flowery language.
694
00:33:57,662 --> 00:33:58,962
I mean, he sent emails
695
00:33:58,997 --> 00:34:00,367
like that one quite often,
didn't he?
696
00:34:00,415 --> 00:34:01,785
- Yes.
697
00:34:01,833 --> 00:34:04,633
- Do you think Dr. Duntsch
was a cold-blooded killer?
698
00:34:04,669 --> 00:34:06,209
- No.
699
00:34:06,254 --> 00:34:09,094
- Now, it's no secret
that you and Dr. Duntsch
700
00:34:09,132 --> 00:34:11,932
had an intimate relationship.
701
00:34:11,968 --> 00:34:14,008
We know that involves sex,
702
00:34:14,054 --> 00:34:16,144
but was there
an emotional element?
703
00:34:16,181 --> 00:34:17,311
- Meaning?
704
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:19,979
- Well, among the people
in his life,
705
00:34:20,018 --> 00:34:22,268
based on everything you saw
706
00:34:22,312 --> 00:34:24,902
working with him day in
and day out,
707
00:34:24,939 --> 00:34:26,269
sleeping with him,
708
00:34:26,316 --> 00:34:28,566
you thought
you were pretty close?
709
00:34:28,610 --> 00:34:29,740
- I thought so.
710
00:34:29,778 --> 00:34:31,398
- Close enough that perhaps
711
00:34:31,446 --> 00:34:35,196
you didn't allow yourself
to see the truth?
712
00:34:35,241 --> 00:34:37,041
- The truth?
713
00:34:37,077 --> 00:34:39,117
- About his abilities.
714
00:34:39,162 --> 00:34:40,752
- I don't understand.
715
00:34:40,789 --> 00:34:43,329
- Was he a good surgeon?
716
00:34:45,251 --> 00:34:47,211
- That's outside my area
of expertise.
717
00:34:47,253 --> 00:34:49,463
- You were in his office.
You were in the O.R.
718
00:34:49,506 --> 00:34:51,006
You don't have
a professional opinion?
719
00:34:51,049 --> 00:34:53,179
- No.
720
00:34:53,218 --> 00:34:55,218
- Okay, well,
after Shelley Brennan,
721
00:34:55,261 --> 00:34:57,431
did you ever work
with Dr. Duntsch again?
722
00:34:57,472 --> 00:34:58,932
- No.
- Why not?
723
00:34:58,973 --> 00:35:03,233
- I didn't wanna be
in that environment anymore.
724
00:35:03,269 --> 00:35:05,609
- That environment?
What environment?
725
00:35:05,647 --> 00:35:08,107
[uneasy music]
726
00:35:08,149 --> 00:35:10,149
* *
727
00:35:10,193 --> 00:35:14,243
- Unhealthy, you know?
728
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,280
- You mean the environment
in which patients
729
00:35:16,324 --> 00:35:17,534
were being maimed and killed?
730
00:35:17,575 --> 00:35:19,695
- Objection.
- Sustained.
731
00:35:19,744 --> 00:35:21,334
- Just one more question.
732
00:35:21,371 --> 00:35:23,831
If you believed
that Dr. Duntsch
733
00:35:23,873 --> 00:35:26,423
wanted to hurt patients,
734
00:35:26,459 --> 00:35:28,669
you certainly would go
and tell somebody about that,
735
00:35:28,712 --> 00:35:31,422
wouldn't you?
736
00:35:35,802 --> 00:35:38,562
- Yes, ma'am.
737
00:35:39,848 --> 00:35:41,598
- Pass the witness.
738
00:35:41,641 --> 00:35:45,981
Stay safe, Ms. Morgan,
wherever you've gone.
739
00:35:46,021 --> 00:35:50,731
* *
740
00:36:02,370 --> 00:36:05,370
- How are you feeling?
741
00:36:05,415 --> 00:36:08,535
- If they ask me questions
about Duntsch's training,
742
00:36:08,585 --> 00:36:11,755
I can't promise you
what I'm going to say.
743
00:36:13,173 --> 00:36:15,183
- Yeah.
744
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:19,890
If we can't present
our entire case,
745
00:36:19,929 --> 00:36:22,429
the good, bad, everything,
746
00:36:22,474 --> 00:36:25,144
if we can't lay it all out
and still win,
747
00:36:25,185 --> 00:36:27,015
then we shouldn't win.
748
00:36:27,062 --> 00:36:28,862
[cell phone buzzes]
749
00:36:28,897 --> 00:36:30,187
- You take that call.
750
00:36:30,231 --> 00:36:32,651
- Hey, Ma.
Hang on a sec.
751
00:36:32,692 --> 00:36:35,202
Dr. Henderson.
752
00:36:35,236 --> 00:36:39,406
If they ask,
answer how you want.
753
00:36:41,242 --> 00:36:44,122
- Thank you.
754
00:36:45,622 --> 00:36:48,502
- Yeah, I'm here.
755
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,730
We asked you here
to give your opinion
756
00:37:14,776 --> 00:37:17,896
on four different cases
the defendant performed.
757
00:37:17,946 --> 00:37:21,566
What surgery did the defendant
recommend for Jerry Summers?
758
00:37:21,616 --> 00:37:26,746
- An anterior cervical fusion
at C3-4 and C4-5.
759
00:37:26,788 --> 00:37:29,958
- What was the outcome
of Mr. Summer's surgery?
760
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,170
- He was rendered
a quadriplegic.
761
00:37:34,129 --> 00:37:35,509
- Would you walk us through it?
762
00:37:35,547 --> 00:37:37,217
- There was a lot of bleeding.
763
00:37:37,257 --> 00:37:40,797
- Suction.
- Suction.
764
00:37:40,844 --> 00:37:43,564
- Sponge.
Give me a sponge.
765
00:37:43,596 --> 00:37:46,306
- How many CCs were lost?
766
00:37:47,934 --> 00:37:52,154
- A typical loss is somewhere
between 25 and 200 CCs.
767
00:37:52,188 --> 00:37:55,528
Mr. Summers lost 1,900 CCs.
768
00:37:55,567 --> 00:37:58,897
- What accounts for that amount
of blood loss?
769
00:37:58,945 --> 00:38:00,945
- Injuring a major structure.
770
00:38:00,989 --> 00:38:02,409
- Pituitary.
771
00:38:02,449 --> 00:38:05,579
- He removed the disc
from C3-4 and C4-5,
772
00:38:05,618 --> 00:38:07,368
as he was supposed to do,
773
00:38:07,412 --> 00:38:09,792
and then he removed
a tremendous amount of bone
774
00:38:09,831 --> 00:38:11,831
on the left side.
775
00:38:12,417 --> 00:38:15,087
Over a third of
the vertebral body.
776
00:38:15,128 --> 00:38:19,548
And in doing so, he lacerated
the vertebral artery.
777
00:38:23,219 --> 00:38:27,309
- The defendant chose to go
back in for a second surgery.
778
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:29,019
What procedure did he perform?
779
00:38:29,059 --> 00:38:30,729
- Double action.
780
00:38:30,769 --> 00:38:34,479
- A laminectomy in order to
relieve pressure on the spine.
781
00:38:34,522 --> 00:38:36,572
But by removing excessive bone
782
00:38:36,608 --> 00:38:38,688
from both the front
and the back,
783
00:38:38,735 --> 00:38:41,775
you're compromising
the entire structure.
784
00:38:41,821 --> 00:38:44,621
- In layman's terms?
785
00:38:44,657 --> 00:38:48,327
- His head was barely attached
to his spine.
786
00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:51,660
[soft gasps, exhales]
787
00:38:51,706 --> 00:38:53,706
- Let's move on
to Shelley Brennan.
788
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:56,290
The surgery Duntsch
recommended,
789
00:38:56,336 --> 00:38:58,706
was that a surgery
that would fix her issue?
790
00:38:58,755 --> 00:39:00,085
- Yes.
791
00:39:00,131 --> 00:39:03,091
- What was the outcome
of Mrs. Brennan's operation?
792
00:39:03,134 --> 00:39:04,844
- She died.
793
00:39:04,886 --> 00:39:07,386
- Is that normal
for this type of procedure?
794
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:11,350
- Mortalities are less than
1 in 10,000.
795
00:39:11,393 --> 00:39:14,153
The pituitary rongeur
went through
796
00:39:14,187 --> 00:39:17,357
the ligament in the front and
lacerated the iliac vessels
797
00:39:17,399 --> 00:39:19,569
that lie directly on the side.
798
00:39:19,609 --> 00:39:22,069
- So Mrs. Brennan
was bleeding?
799
00:39:22,112 --> 00:39:23,152
- Heavily.
800
00:39:23,196 --> 00:39:24,356
- Would there have been blood
801
00:39:24,406 --> 00:39:26,696
visible in the operative site?
802
00:39:26,741 --> 00:39:28,081
- Sometimes, yes.
803
00:39:28,118 --> 00:39:30,198
It doesn't appear
to have been the case here,
804
00:39:30,245 --> 00:39:32,405
but they should have noticed
a drop in her blood pressure.
805
00:39:32,455 --> 00:39:37,585
- Should a neurosurgeon know
that a drop in blood pressure
806
00:39:37,627 --> 00:39:39,207
means there's
a bleed somewhere?
807
00:39:39,254 --> 00:39:44,054
- It's a fundamental rule,
but the likelihood of them
808
00:39:44,092 --> 00:39:47,052
being able to address
the issue is small.
809
00:39:47,095 --> 00:39:51,265
They'd call in a vascular
surgeon for assistance.
810
00:39:51,307 --> 00:39:53,937
- But he didn't do that.
811
00:39:55,937 --> 00:39:58,227
- No.
812
00:39:58,273 --> 00:39:59,733
- Dorothy Burke.
813
00:39:59,774 --> 00:40:02,994
- Mrs. Burke had a previous
anterior cervical fusion
814
00:40:03,028 --> 00:40:07,988
at C5-6 and C6-7 that resolved
her symptoms for a time,
815
00:40:08,033 --> 00:40:10,583
but she began experiencing
neck and shoulder pain
816
00:40:10,618 --> 00:40:13,368
that had nothing to do
with her prior surgery.
817
00:40:13,413 --> 00:40:17,043
Dr. Duntsch diagnosed
a disc protrusion at C4-5
818
00:40:17,083 --> 00:40:20,713
and a disc extrusion
at the C7 T1 level.
819
00:40:20,754 --> 00:40:25,224
He sliced through
the vertebral artery again.
820
00:40:25,258 --> 00:40:28,388
[monitor beeping]
821
00:40:31,264 --> 00:40:35,354
- We've been talking a lot
about the vertebral artery.
822
00:40:35,393 --> 00:40:37,943
Is it common for it
to be hit during surgery?
823
00:40:37,979 --> 00:40:39,399
- Exceptionally rare.
824
00:40:39,439 --> 00:40:40,729
- How many times
have you hit it?
825
00:40:40,774 --> 00:40:42,154
- Never.
826
00:40:42,192 --> 00:40:44,742
- And what happened to
Mrs. Burke after her surgery?
827
00:40:44,778 --> 00:40:48,448
- Her heart rate elevated.
She couldn't open her eyes.
828
00:40:48,490 --> 00:40:51,910
No verbal response
to questioning or commands.
829
00:40:51,951 --> 00:40:56,501
- And what does that indicate
to anyone in the medical field?
830
00:40:56,539 --> 00:40:58,709
- An impending disaster.
831
00:40:58,750 --> 00:41:01,090
- What should Mr. Duntsch
have done
832
00:41:01,127 --> 00:41:03,877
as soon as he was informed
of that information?
833
00:41:03,922 --> 00:41:06,472
- Physically examine
the patient.
834
00:41:06,508 --> 00:41:08,758
Order appropriate studies.
Scans.
835
00:41:08,802 --> 00:41:11,222
They were ordered
by the ICU physician,
836
00:41:11,262 --> 00:41:13,352
which showed
she was brain dead.
837
00:41:18,687 --> 00:41:20,807
- Where was Dr. Duntsch?
838
00:41:20,855 --> 00:41:22,725
- He was operating
on Madeline Beyer.
839
00:41:22,774 --> 00:41:25,824
- Had the defendant focused
on Dorothy Burke
840
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:29,240
rather than Madeline Beyer,
would she still be alive today?
841
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,660
- Based on what I know
842
00:41:30,699 --> 00:41:32,329
of Dr. Duntsch's approach
to surgery,
843
00:41:32,367 --> 00:41:35,197
Mrs. Burke was dead the moment
she agreed for him to operate.
844
00:41:35,245 --> 00:41:36,495
- Objection.
845
00:41:36,538 --> 00:41:38,578
- Sustained.
846
00:41:40,208 --> 00:41:42,538
- Madeline Beyer?
847
00:41:42,585 --> 00:41:46,715
- Mrs. Beyer is the reason
I'm sitting here today.
848
00:41:46,756 --> 00:41:50,136
I--I tried to fix her.
849
00:41:50,176 --> 00:41:53,256
One of the screws
was violating the spinal canal,
850
00:41:53,304 --> 00:41:56,354
damaging dura and nerve roots.
851
00:41:56,391 --> 00:41:58,601
- How do you know
when you've hit the dura?
852
00:41:58,643 --> 00:42:01,063
- Cerebral spinal
fluid leaks out.
853
00:42:01,104 --> 00:42:05,404
I found evidence of three
attempted screw placements
854
00:42:05,442 --> 00:42:08,952
on the left side
where he put no screws.
855
00:42:10,155 --> 00:42:12,315
The most disturbing part was,
856
00:42:12,365 --> 00:42:15,615
the entire reason
he was operating
857
00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:19,080
was to remove the disc,
and he didn't touch it.
858
00:42:19,122 --> 00:42:20,712
- What did he take out?
859
00:42:20,749 --> 00:42:24,039
- A large piece
of the psoas muscle.
860
00:42:24,085 --> 00:42:26,625
He made a portal
through that muscle
861
00:42:26,671 --> 00:42:29,171
and stuffed an implant
in there.
862
00:42:29,215 --> 00:42:30,715
- Cage.
863
00:42:30,759 --> 00:42:32,339
- Is a trained neurosurgeon
864
00:42:32,385 --> 00:42:36,505
going to know the difference
between bone and muscle?
865
00:42:36,556 --> 00:42:38,136
- Yes.
- Mallet.
866
00:42:38,183 --> 00:42:40,063
- Would a trained
neurosurgeon know
867
00:42:40,101 --> 00:42:43,021
that by malpositioning
the interbody device,
868
00:42:43,063 --> 00:42:45,523
he was reasonably certain
to cause her injury?
869
00:42:45,565 --> 00:42:47,065
- Yes.
870
00:42:47,108 --> 00:42:49,278
- Would a trained neurosurgeon
have been aware
871
00:42:49,319 --> 00:42:52,109
that if he malpositioned
the pedicle screws,
872
00:42:52,155 --> 00:42:53,775
he was reasonably certain
873
00:42:53,823 --> 00:42:55,873
to cause her
serious bodily injury?
874
00:42:55,909 --> 00:42:57,239
- Yes.
875
00:42:57,285 --> 00:43:00,155
- Would a trained neurosurgeon
have been aware
876
00:43:00,205 --> 00:43:02,495
that if he amputated
the nerve root,
877
00:43:02,540 --> 00:43:03,670
he was reasonably certain
878
00:43:03,708 --> 00:43:06,088
to cause her
serious bodily injury?
879
00:43:06,127 --> 00:43:07,297
- Yes.
880
00:43:07,337 --> 00:43:09,587
- The way the surgical tools
were used
881
00:43:09,631 --> 00:43:11,381
in Madeline Beyer's case,
882
00:43:11,424 --> 00:43:13,434
do you think they were used
in a manner
883
00:43:13,468 --> 00:43:17,638
that was capable of causing
death or serious bodily injury?
884
00:43:21,434 --> 00:43:23,774
- Yes.
885
00:43:23,812 --> 00:43:26,822
- We pass the witness.
886
00:43:30,652 --> 00:43:33,572
- Dr. Henderson,
Ms. Shughart made
887
00:43:33,613 --> 00:43:38,033
quite the point
that a trained neurosurgeon
888
00:43:38,076 --> 00:43:40,906
should have done this
or done that.
889
00:43:40,954 --> 00:43:44,464
You're aware Christopher
has both an MD and a PhD
890
00:43:44,499 --> 00:43:46,459
from the University
of Tennessee.
891
00:43:46,501 --> 00:43:47,881
- I am.
892
00:43:47,919 --> 00:43:51,419
- UT isn't some fly-by-night
medical school.
893
00:43:51,464 --> 00:43:52,804
It's not like one of those in--
894
00:43:52,841 --> 00:43:55,301
in Guadalajara or Granada,
is it?
895
00:43:55,343 --> 00:43:57,603
- No, it's in Memphis.
896
00:43:57,637 --> 00:44:00,637
- Do you know
Dr. Geoffrey Skadden?
897
00:44:00,682 --> 00:44:02,182
Does he have a good reputation?
898
00:44:02,225 --> 00:44:04,015
- I do, and he does.
899
00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:05,810
- And what was
he responsible for
900
00:44:05,854 --> 00:44:07,904
in Christopher Duntsch's
training?
901
00:44:07,939 --> 00:44:11,609
- After Dr. Duntsch
finished his residency at UT,
902
00:44:11,651 --> 00:44:14,491
he came under the tutelage
of Dr. Skadden
903
00:44:14,529 --> 00:44:15,819
for a fellowship training
904
00:44:15,864 --> 00:44:18,164
in minimally invasive
spine surgery.
905
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:20,619
- Were you familiar
with the fact that Dr. Duntsch
906
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:23,370
was doing medical cancer
research on the side
907
00:44:23,413 --> 00:44:26,423
and that Dr. Skadden
was involved in that research?
908
00:44:26,458 --> 00:44:27,918
- I wasn't at the time, no.
909
00:44:27,959 --> 00:44:31,499
- Should any doctor
under any circumstances
910
00:44:31,546 --> 00:44:36,046
have their surgical training
hours disrupted by research?
911
00:44:36,092 --> 00:44:37,182
- Absolutely not.
912
00:44:37,218 --> 00:44:40,428
- So a neurosurgical resident
or fellow
913
00:44:40,472 --> 00:44:42,562
can't just skip those hours.
914
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,269
The supervisor has to sign off,
no matter the excuse.
915
00:44:45,310 --> 00:44:46,810
- Correct.
916
00:44:46,853 --> 00:44:49,313
- Do the doctors in charge
of the program have to sign off
917
00:44:49,356 --> 00:44:51,476
that they're qualified
to go and operate?
918
00:44:51,524 --> 00:44:52,694
- Yes.
919
00:44:52,734 --> 00:44:54,494
- Did Dr. Skadden write letters
920
00:44:54,527 --> 00:44:56,817
of recommendation
for Dr. Duntsch?
921
00:44:56,863 --> 00:44:58,373
- Yes, he stated Dr. Duntsch
922
00:44:58,406 --> 00:45:02,366
was a satisfactory surgeon
in his fellowship.
923
00:45:02,410 --> 00:45:05,370
- Well, had Dr. Skadden heard
what was happening in Texas?
924
00:45:05,413 --> 00:45:07,123
- Yes, because he had mentioned
925
00:45:07,165 --> 00:45:09,575
poor outcomes at Baylor
when filling out
926
00:45:09,626 --> 00:45:11,536
a credentialing form
at Forest Park.
927
00:45:11,586 --> 00:45:14,666
- Do you have any idea why he
wouldn't have explicitly told
928
00:45:14,714 --> 00:45:17,384
these hospitals
not to hire Dr. Duntsch?
929
00:45:17,425 --> 00:45:20,175
- Dr. Skadden said that he had
to write recommendations
930
00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:23,060
based on what he'd witnessed
in his program.
931
00:45:23,098 --> 00:45:25,928
He couldn't speak to whatever
was happening in Texas.
932
00:45:25,975 --> 00:45:28,265
He didn't write any more
recommendations for Mr. Duntsch
933
00:45:28,311 --> 00:45:29,851
after we spoke.
934
00:45:29,896 --> 00:45:32,476
- Has there ever been
an instance
935
00:45:32,524 --> 00:45:37,114
in which a doctor was sued for
not writing a recommendation?
936
00:45:37,153 --> 00:45:39,363
- Yes.
937
00:45:39,406 --> 00:45:41,566
- Well, that's frightening,
is it not?
938
00:45:41,616 --> 00:45:43,576
- It is to me.
939
00:45:43,618 --> 00:45:46,078
- So Skadden had
to sign off on him,
940
00:45:46,121 --> 00:45:48,421
or he wouldn't have been able
to get their credentials?
941
00:45:48,456 --> 00:45:49,616
- Correct.
942
00:45:49,666 --> 00:45:50,786
- I mean, Baylor wouldn't let
943
00:45:50,834 --> 00:45:52,424
somebody just walk in
off the street,
944
00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:53,840
start doing neurosurgery.
945
00:45:53,878 --> 00:45:55,878
- I also assumed they would
have reported
946
00:45:55,922 --> 00:45:58,552
the outcomes of his surgeries
to the authorities.
947
00:45:58,591 --> 00:46:00,091
- As a matter of fact,
948
00:46:00,135 --> 00:46:04,595
they didn't say
anything negative to anybody.
949
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:09,269
Neurosurgery
is a big moneymaker.
950
00:46:09,310 --> 00:46:11,980
Do you think the corporate
level of the hospital
951
00:46:12,022 --> 00:46:14,732
was more interested
in making money
952
00:46:14,774 --> 00:46:16,994
than in protecting
their patients?
953
00:46:22,407 --> 00:46:24,447
[soft dramatic music]
954
00:46:24,492 --> 00:46:26,622
* *
955
00:46:26,661 --> 00:46:29,041
- [sighs]
Yes, I do.
956
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,500
I think everyone was
more interested in making money
957
00:46:32,542 --> 00:46:34,252
and protecting themselves
958
00:46:34,294 --> 00:46:37,804
rather than protecting
their patients.
959
00:46:41,718 --> 00:46:44,758
- Thank you for the truth,
Dr. Henderson.
960
00:46:44,804 --> 00:46:47,104
No more questions.
961
00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:50,310
- I'd like to add something.
962
00:46:50,352 --> 00:46:52,442
- Redirect.
963
00:46:52,479 --> 00:46:55,979
Anything you'd like to add?
964
00:46:56,024 --> 00:46:59,444
- Everyone knows
the first tenet
965
00:46:59,486 --> 00:47:02,986
of the Hippocratic Oath,
"First, do no harm".
966
00:47:04,032 --> 00:47:06,952
But there are others.
967
00:47:06,993 --> 00:47:10,293
"I will respect
the hard-won scientific gains
968
00:47:10,330 --> 00:47:14,540
of the physicians
in whose steps I've walked."
969
00:47:14,584 --> 00:47:16,044
He did not.
970
00:47:16,086 --> 00:47:18,626
"I will apply,
for the benefit of the sick,
971
00:47:18,672 --> 00:47:20,762
"all majors which are required,
972
00:47:20,799 --> 00:47:24,549
"avoiding those twin traps
of overtreatment
973
00:47:24,594 --> 00:47:26,514
and therapeutic nihilism."
974
00:47:26,554 --> 00:47:28,314
He did not.
975
00:47:28,348 --> 00:47:31,058
"I will not be ashamed
to say I know not,
976
00:47:31,101 --> 00:47:33,731
"nor will I fail to call them
my colleagues
977
00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:36,110
"when the skills of another
are needed
978
00:47:36,147 --> 00:47:39,687
for a patient's recovery."
979
00:47:39,734 --> 00:47:42,864
He did not.
980
00:47:42,904 --> 00:47:47,744
Had I performed
any of the 33 surgeries
981
00:47:47,784 --> 00:47:49,624
in the manner
that he performed them,
982
00:47:49,661 --> 00:47:51,711
I never would have
allowed myself
983
00:47:51,746 --> 00:47:56,166
into an operating room again.
984
00:47:56,209 --> 00:47:59,959
Any one of them.
985
00:48:00,005 --> 00:48:03,255
Not ever again.
986
00:48:03,299 --> 00:48:10,269
* *
987
00:48:17,981 --> 00:48:19,271
- The State flooded you
988
00:48:19,315 --> 00:48:21,355
with every possible patient
they could,
989
00:48:21,401 --> 00:48:25,111
but Madeline Beyer's case
is the case the State chose
990
00:48:25,155 --> 00:48:28,195
to go to trial on,
so let's focus there.
991
00:48:28,241 --> 00:48:31,241
Now, according to the state,
Dr. Duntsch didn't head
992
00:48:31,286 --> 00:48:34,456
into Madeline Beyer's surgery
to fix her--
993
00:48:34,497 --> 00:48:36,327
he wanted to hurt her--
994
00:48:36,374 --> 00:48:38,964
but that's not
what the evidence shows.
995
00:48:39,002 --> 00:48:44,672
The evidence shows he was
a suboptimal surgeon.
996
00:48:45,258 --> 00:48:47,508
Now, are we trying
to blame the hospitals?
997
00:48:47,552 --> 00:48:48,762
No.
998
00:48:48,803 --> 00:48:50,313
Are we trying
to blame Dr. Skadden?
999
00:48:50,347 --> 00:48:52,927
No, but the State asked
time and time again,
1000
00:48:52,974 --> 00:48:57,064
what would
a well-trained surgeon do?
1001
00:48:57,103 --> 00:48:59,063
I mean, what did
Dr. Henderson tell you?
1002
00:48:59,105 --> 00:49:01,895
He got on the phone,
called Skadden, and said,
1003
00:49:01,941 --> 00:49:03,441
"Hey, we got this guy here.
1004
00:49:03,485 --> 00:49:06,395
"It says he graduated
from your medical school,
1005
00:49:06,446 --> 00:49:07,856
"went to your fellowship,
1006
00:49:07,906 --> 00:49:10,406
and I need you
to stop recommending him."
1007
00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:15,120
And Skadden replied, "Yes,
he did train at my fellowship.
1008
00:49:15,163 --> 00:49:18,043
But I don't know what to do."
1009
00:49:18,083 --> 00:49:20,343
Because Skadden
has figured out,
1010
00:49:20,377 --> 00:49:23,587
"I screwed up.
I let him out."
1011
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:25,220
I mean, Jerry Summers told you,
1012
00:49:25,256 --> 00:49:30,216
he let him out of surgeries
in order to do research.
1013
00:49:30,261 --> 00:49:33,811
Now, you don't get to punish
Dr. Skadden.
1014
00:49:33,848 --> 00:49:35,928
You don't get to punish Baylor.
1015
00:49:35,975 --> 00:49:38,015
You don't get to punish
Dallas Medical,
1016
00:49:38,061 --> 00:49:41,441
but you have the right to know
what they didn't do.
1017
00:49:41,481 --> 00:49:44,531
They didn't report him.
1018
00:49:44,567 --> 00:49:46,277
They didn't challenge him.
1019
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:48,449
They didn't tell him
that he was
1020
00:49:48,488 --> 00:49:53,448
a suboptimal surgeon
who needs to find other work.
1021
00:49:53,493 --> 00:49:56,453
If you're a teacher
and the children don't do well,
1022
00:49:56,496 --> 00:50:00,416
your principal tells you
you're a suboptimal teacher.
1023
00:50:00,458 --> 00:50:02,088
If you're a mechanic
1024
00:50:02,127 --> 00:50:04,377
and the cars you're working on
keep breaking down,
1025
00:50:04,421 --> 00:50:07,261
you're told you're
a suboptimal mechanic.
1026
00:50:07,298 --> 00:50:11,548
If you're a pilot
and you can't land,
1027
00:50:11,594 --> 00:50:15,144
well, you're told
you can't do this anymore.
1028
00:50:15,181 --> 00:50:17,981
Well, Baylor does the opposite.
1029
00:50:18,018 --> 00:50:21,058
They allow him to resign.
1030
00:50:21,104 --> 00:50:22,904
And then they send
a clearing letter
1031
00:50:22,939 --> 00:50:24,019
to Dallas Medical,
1032
00:50:24,065 --> 00:50:26,435
who hires him and then watches
1033
00:50:26,484 --> 00:50:29,574
as three surgeries
in as many days go bad.
1034
00:50:29,612 --> 00:50:31,492
And what do they do?
1035
00:50:31,531 --> 00:50:34,201
Nothing.
1036
00:50:34,242 --> 00:50:35,912
They don't report him
1037
00:50:35,952 --> 00:50:38,622
to the National Practitioner's
Data Bank
1038
00:50:38,663 --> 00:50:40,373
or the Texas Medical Board.
1039
00:50:40,415 --> 00:50:46,915
They allow this poorly-trained
suboptimal surgeon to move on.
1040
00:50:49,174 --> 00:50:53,184
The system broke down
from the very beginning.
1041
00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:57,060
Now, I don't envy your jobs.
1042
00:50:57,098 --> 00:50:59,098
Both sides have
their own perceptions
1043
00:50:59,142 --> 00:51:01,192
of--of what happened,
1044
00:51:01,227 --> 00:51:05,017
but you're the sole judges
of the facts.
1045
00:51:05,065 --> 00:51:07,855
Render your verdict
according to the law,
1046
00:51:07,901 --> 00:51:09,441
not according to emotions
1047
00:51:09,486 --> 00:51:12,276
or sympathies
or sending a message.
1048
00:51:12,322 --> 00:51:14,992
It's about whether or not
the State has proven to you
1049
00:51:15,033 --> 00:51:18,083
that a crime was committed.
1050
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:21,159
It was a failure.
1051
00:51:22,332 --> 00:51:25,712
It was a human failure,
1052
00:51:25,752 --> 00:51:31,632
a systemic failure,
1053
00:51:31,675 --> 00:51:34,335
but it wasn't a crime.
1054
00:51:35,762 --> 00:51:38,812
- On July 25th, 2012,
1055
00:51:38,848 --> 00:51:42,558
Christopher Duntsch went into
surgery with Madeline Beyer,
1056
00:51:42,602 --> 00:51:44,062
an elderly individual.
1057
00:51:44,104 --> 00:51:46,654
He crippled her.
1058
00:51:46,690 --> 00:51:50,530
Pedicle screws,
drilled and redrilled.
1059
00:51:50,568 --> 00:51:54,948
Nerves shredded.
Leaking dural sacs.
1060
00:51:54,989 --> 00:51:57,579
Muscles hacked into.
1061
00:51:57,617 --> 00:52:00,037
These things happened.
1062
00:52:00,078 --> 00:52:03,538
But was it intentional?
1063
00:52:03,581 --> 00:52:06,711
How do you know
what he intended?
1064
00:52:06,751 --> 00:52:12,381
You look at what he does
before, during, and after.
1065
00:52:12,424 --> 00:52:15,974
He lied,
about "this is normal pain."
1066
00:52:16,011 --> 00:52:18,101
"This is something new.
1067
00:52:18,138 --> 00:52:20,348
"I didn't do this to you.
1068
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:22,730
"It's simply swelling, Jerry.
1069
00:52:22,767 --> 00:52:25,227
"Surgery went fine, Madeline.
1070
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:27,480
"It's the surgical team's
fault.
1071
00:52:27,522 --> 00:52:32,072
Your wives are dead,
Earl, Harold."
1072
00:52:34,821 --> 00:52:37,371
Look at them.
1073
00:52:37,407 --> 00:52:42,367
Look at the faces
of the lives that were ruined.
1074
00:52:42,412 --> 00:52:45,252
We didn't bring them to you
to have you convict him
1075
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:47,460
based on sympathy.
1076
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:50,300
We bring them to you
so that you can know
1077
00:52:50,337 --> 00:52:53,877
everything the defendant knew.
1078
00:52:53,923 --> 00:52:56,303
How many patients
should it take
1079
00:52:56,343 --> 00:53:00,563
before you know that what
you're doing is hurting people?
1080
00:53:01,806 --> 00:53:08,556
One, two, three?
1081
00:53:09,064 --> 00:53:12,614
You make your best friend
a quadriplegic?
1082
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:17,660
Four, you kill?
Five, you kill?
1083
00:53:17,697 --> 00:53:19,817
Should I list all 33?
1084
00:53:19,866 --> 00:53:23,236
I want to call them tragedies,
1085
00:53:23,286 --> 00:53:27,826
but that implies no one
could have seen them coming.
1086
00:53:27,874 --> 00:53:30,794
These were assaults.
1087
00:53:30,835 --> 00:53:34,665
We're here talking
about Madeline Beyer.
1088
00:53:34,714 --> 00:53:38,474
I know you don't have a doubt
that when Christopher Duntsch
1089
00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:40,390
went into Madeline Beyer's
surgery,
1090
00:53:40,428 --> 00:53:45,138
he was reasonably certain
he was going to hurt her.
1091
00:53:45,183 --> 00:53:47,143
That's the standard of knowing.
1092
00:53:47,185 --> 00:53:50,435
Not that you know 100%,
1093
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,610
but that
you're reasonably certain.
1094
00:53:53,650 --> 00:53:57,950
The defense is implying
it was his training.
1095
00:53:57,987 --> 00:54:00,447
He was trained for 17 years
1096
00:54:00,490 --> 00:54:03,280
prior to operating
on Mrs. Beyer.
1097
00:54:03,326 --> 00:54:05,406
Trained at the University
of Tennessee.
1098
00:54:05,453 --> 00:54:07,753
Trained at Semmes-Murphey.
1099
00:54:07,789 --> 00:54:09,709
Institutions with doctors
1100
00:54:09,749 --> 00:54:12,669
who would not put
their reputations on the line
1101
00:54:12,711 --> 00:54:16,801
by recommending
a poorly trained surgeon.
1102
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,680
[soft dramatic music]
1103
00:54:19,718 --> 00:54:24,258
Don't blame his training.
Blame him.
1104
00:54:24,305 --> 00:54:28,135
Don't blame the system.
Blame him.
1105
00:54:28,184 --> 00:54:32,524
He went into
all those operations.
1106
00:54:32,564 --> 00:54:36,614
He put the scalpels
to those patients' backs.
1107
00:54:36,651 --> 00:54:40,611
He kept going.
1108
00:54:40,655 --> 00:54:44,115
All these people.
1109
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:47,539
If you're a human
who values life,
1110
00:54:47,579 --> 00:54:51,119
who understands suffering...
1111
00:54:51,166 --> 00:54:53,626
You heard Dr. Henderson.
1112
00:54:53,668 --> 00:54:56,758
One botched surgery,
just one,
1113
00:54:56,796 --> 00:55:01,626
and he never would have entered
the operating room ever again.
1114
00:55:02,469 --> 00:55:05,599
If you don't stop him,
1115
00:55:05,638 --> 00:55:10,018
Christopher Duntsch
will leave this courthouse,
1116
00:55:10,060 --> 00:55:13,440
leave this city, this state,
1117
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,780
maybe even this country,
1118
00:55:16,816 --> 00:55:19,646
and he will find
a corner of the world
1119
00:55:19,694 --> 00:55:24,574
that allows him
to continue hurting people.
1120
00:55:27,118 --> 00:55:32,078
Only you can tell him no more.
1121
00:55:32,123 --> 00:55:38,383
* *
1122
00:55:39,297 --> 00:55:41,167
- They don't understand.
1123
00:55:42,842 --> 00:55:46,142
All I wanna do
is go back to my research.
1124
00:55:46,179 --> 00:55:47,849
You gotta tell 'em, Dad.
1125
00:55:47,889 --> 00:55:51,269
I will never practice
surgery again.
1126
00:55:51,309 --> 00:55:54,019
If they let me,
I can still do good.
1127
00:55:54,062 --> 00:55:55,272
I can still help.
1128
00:55:55,313 --> 00:55:58,113
- Just stop, okay?
1129
00:55:58,149 --> 00:55:59,859
It's time to stop.
1130
00:56:01,653 --> 00:56:03,573
[sighs]
1131
00:56:07,450 --> 00:56:11,410
We had these hardwood floors
when you were little.
1132
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,709
Active, always active.
1133
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:18,340
So energetic.
1134
00:56:18,378 --> 00:56:20,708
You were so strong.
1135
00:56:20,755 --> 00:56:24,425
You would push the furniture
around across these floors.
1136
00:56:26,094 --> 00:56:29,394
You never played with toys.
It was always the furniture.
1137
00:56:30,598 --> 00:56:32,678
And how many times
did I ask you
1138
00:56:32,726 --> 00:56:36,476
to stop it with the furniture?
1139
00:56:36,521 --> 00:56:38,771
But you wouldn't stop.
1140
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,900
You wouldn't stop.
1141
00:56:45,989 --> 00:56:50,869
Maybe jail's the best thing
for you, my boy.
1142
00:56:57,792 --> 00:57:00,752
- You were less dull than
I thought you'd be.
1143
00:57:03,089 --> 00:57:05,049
- You're too kind, Randy.
1144
00:57:05,091 --> 00:57:09,351
- Probably blown
the whole case, but nice job.
1145
00:57:12,932 --> 00:57:17,692
- We could have done more.
We should have done it more.
1146
00:57:17,729 --> 00:57:20,609
This is gonna happen again,
you know.
1147
00:57:20,648 --> 00:57:23,398
- Suppose we could
do something.
1148
00:57:23,443 --> 00:57:26,493
- I suppose we should.
1149
00:57:26,529 --> 00:57:28,489
- Jury's back.
1150
00:57:28,531 --> 00:57:31,161
- All right, well,
we got time for some hoops.
1151
00:57:31,201 --> 00:57:33,831
- I wish.
- [chuckles]
1152
00:57:33,870 --> 00:57:37,580
- We gonna win?
1153
00:57:39,292 --> 00:57:42,252
[dramatic music]
1154
00:57:42,295 --> 00:57:45,465
- I don't know.
1155
00:57:46,966 --> 00:57:49,426
- [sighs]
1156
00:57:50,970 --> 00:57:54,810
- I'm sorry.
1157
00:57:54,849 --> 00:57:57,889
- You did great.
1158
00:57:57,936 --> 00:58:04,856
* *
1159
00:58:36,850 --> 00:58:38,060
- [exhales]
1160
00:58:44,941 --> 00:58:51,871
* *
1161
00:59:21,227 --> 00:59:28,397
* *
1162
00:59:58,264 --> 01:00:05,444
* *
1163
01:00:35,301 --> 01:00:42,481
* *
1164
01:01:12,339 --> 01:01:19,509
* *
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