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[man 1] All right.
Arthur interview, take one.
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[clapperboard clicks]
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[interviewer] What do you think?
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Like, how do you see yourself?
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How do you see the ideas that you're...
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something passionate about?
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Uh, what is your story?
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[tranquil music]
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[crowd applauding]
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[Arthur] Americans are looking
for a new way forward.
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Our country is more divided
than it's been in years.
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And we're leaving too many
of our brothers and sisters behind.
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People have lost trust
in our political leaders
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to solve these problems.
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They don't think that conservatives
actually care about the poor.
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And frankly, liberal solutions
aren't working either.
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[Arthur] My name is Arthur Brooks.
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I've spent the last 20 years
as a professor
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and head of a think tank
in Washington D.C.
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Working to improve public policy
for human welfare.
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But, this is pretty far
from where I started out.
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[presenter] What's this former professor
of the French horn,
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yes, the French horn, up to?
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And how did he reach the top
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of the conservative pecking order
in Washington?
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Arthur Brooks.
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-Sir!
-[crowd cheers]
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[Arthur] I do research.
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I travel around the world.
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I get to meet
with all different kinds of people.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[Arthur] I'm trying to learn
about the best systems
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for helping people improve their lives.
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[Arthur] Thank you, Mr. President.
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It's an honor to be here
and with all of you.
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The reason I came
into the free enterprise movement
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many years ago,
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is because poverty is the thing
I care about the most.
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[Arthur] From 1970 until today,
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the percentage of the world's population
living at starvation's door
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has decreased by 80 percent.
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Two billion people have been pulled out
of starvation level poverty.
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What did that?
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What did that?
That was my... vision quest.
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To figure out what did that.
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I wanted the best answer
from mainstream economists
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left, right, and center.
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[Arthur] I don't claim
to have all the answers,
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but the answers that I found
have truly changed my life.
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And I believe it is these same answers
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that can help to lift up all Americans
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and bring us back together as a country.
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The point of the American experience
is basically a moral consensus
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that our society should push opportunity
to the people who need it the most.
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[Arthur] This is our pursuit,
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and it's predicated
on two fundamental moral principles.
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Human dignity and human potential.
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I wanna be a warrior
for dignity and potential.
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That's what it comes down to.
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[upbeat music]
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[Arthur] It's 1983,
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I'm 19 years old,
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and I've just dropped out of college.
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I knew I was gonna be
a professional French horn player.
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What's that? Is that even a job?
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[chuckles]
It's a thing, it turns out.
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I'm on tour in India
with my brass quintet.
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We're in a pretty questionable airplane
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on our way to Calcutta.
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And I'm excited,
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because this is the first time
I've really been out on my own.
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We're 30,000 feet above the ground
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when the pilot
comes over the intercom and says,
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what you never want to hear, which is,
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"We have a problem,
we need to land. Right now."
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And so we did,
we landed in a city called Chennai.
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And we had a stopover
that lasted for several days.
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I was in a hotel at the edge of a slum.
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Then wake up the next morning.
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And I start walking around the slum.
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And I had never seen anything like it.
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I saw poverty like I've never seen before.
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I saw starving kids and lepers.
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And beggars everyplace.
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How could we in America have so much
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when other people
in the same world had so little?
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These are questions
that haunted me for years.
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[Hindol] Some in the West,
uh, have this romantic notion that,
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somehow, by poverty,
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our souls are getting, you know, burnished
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into the radiant light of God
or some strange thing like that.
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It isn't.
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We hate being poor.
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In 1947, India won independence
from Britain.
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The tragedy is that between 1947 and 1991,
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it remained incredibly poor.
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[Sadanand] When Mother Teresa
was in her heyday,
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India was essentially a byword
for poverty.
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If you thought of a part of the world
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that was best known for being crowded,
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dirty, and incredibly poor,
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it was probably for many people, India.
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[man reciting salah]
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[Arthur] When I first visited,
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one of the poorest places in India
was a slum in Mumbai
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called Dharavi.
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[Krishna] Hey, look at this guy here.
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[Arthur laughs]
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[Krishna] He had a shaving yesterday.
[grunts]
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-He's... he had a shave yesterday.
-[Arthur] Really?
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-Because he was hot.
-[Arthur chuckles]
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[Arthur] I've returned to India
many times over the years
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since my first visit.
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Along the way, I met Krishna.
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He's this guy who grew up in poverty
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in a little village outside of Bangalore.
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[Krishna] In Western world,
they think slum...
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Their idea is poor people
or beggars, right?
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It's not. It's not true.
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[Krishna speaking in Hindi]
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[Arthur] Hello.
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Even that comes in different sizes,
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-see the big ones.
-[Arthur] Yeah.
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See, their painting. This is like...
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-Diwali is like very busy season for them.
-[Arthur] Yeah.
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And also a lot of this stuff, exported.
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[Krishna] Seeing Dharavi, I'm sure,
nobody begs, right?
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I mean, because they're all living
their own dignity and pride.
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[Arthur] When you go to Dharavi,
you see...
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a lot.
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It's hugely overstimulating.
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Intense smells, unbelievable heat,
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incredible noise, tons of people.
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It has one of the highest
population densities
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of any area in the world.
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This is still one of the poorest
urban areas in India.
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And to most American eyes,
the progress here is not obvious.
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But look closer.
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In Dharavi and places like it
throughout the country,
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there's been a rise in living standards
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like I have never seen in my life,
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or I couldn't have been able to imagine.
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[Krishna] When we were children,
we didn't have any proper food to eat.
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-We were many kids.
-[Arthur] How many?
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-We are eight kids
-[Arthur] Oh, yeah?
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Uh...
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I remember my dad
when, uh, he used to eat...
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he used to eat half meal
and then half he used to give us
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and say, "You guys share it."
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[Arthur] See, in the West,
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we, we sort of think
there hasn't been progress.
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We think that poverty
in the developing world is hopeless.
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Nothing can be done.
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What I didn't realize
in my early visits to India,
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is that the country
had become a battleground
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in the 20th-century philosophical war
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between capitalism and socialism.
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And India, for decades,
had chosen the latter.
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In India, we had democratic socialism.
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And everything, of course,
was owned by the state.
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All the companies were owned by the state.
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[Sadanand] This belief in planning,
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this belief in the all-knowing bureaucrat.
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Uh, as opposed to, what?
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The way that people
can make their own decisions?
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Uh, people know best for themselves.
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So for instance, licensing.
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Bureaucrats sitting in Delhi could decide,
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make production decisions for a firm
thousands of miles away.
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That can only benefit
a very tiny section of the population.
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The opposing ideology
seemed to promote chaos.
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Set people free.
[chuckles]
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Let people decide
what they're going to do with their talent
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and their, and their time
and their treasure.
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And then, they will spontaneously organize
in a way that creates the most wealth.
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These were the ideas
that were at war with each other
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for years, decades, as a matter of fact.
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And, and most smart people didn't know
which was the right approach.
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Well, we found out.
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[Tom] Good evening, everyone.
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From the west side of the Berlin Wall
to Brandenburg Gate, I'm Tom Brokaw.
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Brandenburg Gate, of course,
is in East Berlin.
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And the sound that you hear
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and what you're seeing tonight,
aren't hammers and sickles,
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but hammers and chisels
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that young people take down this wall,
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bit by bit.
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[Arthur] With the fall
of the Soviet Union,
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countries all over the world
began to adopt
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the core elements of capitalism.
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Globalization,
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free trade
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private property rights,
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the rule of law,
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and entrepreneurial competition.
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The results of all this
have been nothing short of miraculous.
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[Jagdish] We completely reversed
our policies in India in '91 in a big way.
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It was a closed system, no competition.
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The industry was highly inefficient.
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In all areas,
we permitted more competition.
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Competition is what helps you
to improve outcomes.
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[reporter 1]
The World Bank forecasts India
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to be the world's
fastest-growing economy in 2016.
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[reporter 2]
It means India's growth has overtaken
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that of fellow Asian giant, China.
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[Hindol] You know, today, India
is celebrated as this rising economy.
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Where has this rising economy come from?
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Did it just mushroom
out of the blue one day?
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No. It happened after 25 years
of the economy growing
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because of liberalization.
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Because we opened the markets.
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[Hindol] We were a closed market.
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We were a statist economy.
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We broke free of all that.
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And we sent the companies
and our entrepreneurial energies free.
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[Krishna] You walk in the narrow,
small lanes of Dharavi,
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you hear the sound of machineries.
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[whirring]
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So that's what made me to say,
"We have to show this."
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[Krishna] Because it's changed
my mindset towards Dharavi.
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We have garment industries, everything.
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More than 10,000 small scale industries.
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That is... it's not a slum,
it's a, it's a hub of industries.
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[Krishna] Like you see
the small place here, right?
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See, something is set up there.
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And all this street you will see,
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every inch is used,
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-every inch is...
-Nothing goes to waste.
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There is something...
Yeah, nothing is wasted.
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But everything is for entrepreneurship.
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-Exactly, exactly!
-[Arthur chuckles]
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[indistinct chatter]
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He's saying,
"See, look at my shop," you know.
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-[Arthur] Ah, yeah.
-[Krishna] See? He is trying to sell me.
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-[Arthur] Yeah, yeah.
-Look, an entrepreneur. See?
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-[laughing]
-He said, "Buy something from my shop."
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[Krishna] So that's what makes...
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this place amazing.
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[Arthur] Today,
for the first time in its history,
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India has a growing middle class.
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Even in some of the poorest parts
of the country,
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there's a sense of progress.
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[Hindol] Capitalism allows human beings
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to choose an action
to fulfill their own destiny.
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If it had not been for liberalization,
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people in Dharavi,
many people in Dharavi...
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would never have the opportunities
that they have today.
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[Hindol] Forget per capita GDP,
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we didn't even have per capita hope.
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And the markets have given us
per capita hope.
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[light music]
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[Meenakshi in Hindi]
Educated or not,
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the residents of Dharavi work hard
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and have their four square meals.
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To run this business,
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I sell the potteries worth 10 rupees
for 7 rupees. Why is that?
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It's because, initially,
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when I started my business...
[laughs]
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...there was hardly any money with me.
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Now, I take care of my kids' studies
and the household expenses.
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All I want is to educate both my sons.
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If they study well and get good jobs,
my fortune will revive.
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Otherwise, nothing's going to change.
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[Krishna] You know, we have a saying,
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uh, "If you make your hand dirty,
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you will get the curd to eat."
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You understand?
Because you do your work, you know?
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You don't say it's dirty, you know?
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[Hindol] I, I don't argue
that the markets are always perfect.
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What is ever always perfect?
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But for the poor people,
those people living in Dharavi,
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they're proud of it.
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They're building their lives.
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[Sadanand] If you look
at the impact on poverty,
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the basic trajectory
of the country has changed.
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If India had not adopted economic reforms,
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there would be 375 million
poor people more
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in the country today.
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And next to China,
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this has been the greatest eradication
of human poverty,
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uh, on the planet.
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[Arthur] The progress in India
over the past decades
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has been extraordinary.
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It turns conventional wisdom on its head.
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Things are not getting worse.
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They're getting better.
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[Arthur] And India's not alone.
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Since 1970,
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the percentage of the world's population
living extreme poverty,
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on one dollar a day or less
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has declined by 80 percent.
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Two billion people around the world
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have lifted themselves
out of extreme poverty.
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Infant mortality has fallen by 60 percent.
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Literacy around the world
continues to increase
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year after year.
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And the people who have benefited
the most from this
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is not the rich.
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It's those at the very bottom
of the economic ladder.
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[ship horn honking]
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[tranquil music]
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[Arthur] When you go
to a place like Dharavi,
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and you have a sense of American history,
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one of the things that you notice
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is that the circumstances
are very different,
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because Dharavi exists
in the modern world.
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But the level of material success
and deprivation that you see
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is more or less
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what you would have found in New York
in the 19th century.
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What's the lesson from that?
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The lesson is,
they are us, separated by time.
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[Arthur] My great grandparents
emigrated from Denmark
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in the early 1900s.
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They were every bit as poor
as the people of Dharavi.
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And they picked up and moved
because they thought they could,
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and because they were
ambitious and entrepreneurial.
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They worked hard every day,
bought a farm in South Dakota.
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And after a generation,
my family was no longer poor.
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We're a nation of people
who had to start from scratch.
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Under our Constitution
and system of free enterprise,
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the American people managed to build
the most successful, most innovative,
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and most charitable
upwardly mobile society
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in all of human history.
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Across the economic spectrum,
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people in America generally live
materially better lives
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than almost anywhere else in the world.
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Which is why, year after year,
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people continue to come
to the United States,
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seeking opportunity.
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The backbone of the United States
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is people who believe
that progress is possible.
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[birds chirping]
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[Marc] I didn't want to buy this truck.
I wanted to buy a big ol' nice truck,
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because I wanted
to look cool in it, right?
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My family and my grandfather
were telling me,
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"Hey, man. Think smart.
Think, you know, economically.
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You're barely starting your business.
You have very little money."
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They made me buy the truck.
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Yeah, I told my daughter,
"I'm gonna fix his truck up...
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I'm gonna repaint it,
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and I'm gonna give it to you."
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"I don't want that truck, Dad.
I want me a new...
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uh, convertible or something."
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You know?
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I said, "No."
I said, "If you can drive this one
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for two years,
and then I'll buy you a brand-new car.
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But you've got to start out
with this one."
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She, she doesn't want it.
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But I think I'm gonna make her
have it anyway.
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[Marc laughs]
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[Marc] You think y'all finish 'em today?
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[worker] Hoping so.
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[Marc] We've gotta do 33 of them.
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-[worker] Thought it was 36.
-[Marc] It's 33.
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-[worker] Thirty-three? You recounted 'em?
-[Marc] Yeah, it's 33.
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[Marc] So I was living
a, a negative lifestyle.
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Just kind of stopped caring,
hanging around back with my old friends,
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got involved with the gang
more deeply again.
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Well, I would smuggle drugs,
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and bring them from Mexico over here
and then I would sell 'em.
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And then it got to a point in my life
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where I didn't abandon my daughter,
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but I had to leave her
because of my mistakes.
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I went to prison.
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And, and it destroyed me...
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for a long time.
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[sighs deeply]
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[Marc] I knew that I had to make
a change somehow.
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I knew that I couldn't come out
that same person.
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I didn't have anything.
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And the only thing I had was,
was to motivate myself,
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and to build something
from nothing, which we have.
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[Marc] Me and my brother,
we've started this business
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with two shovels and a wheelbarrow.
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I started this from the ground up.
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I learned from the bottom,
all the way from the bottom,
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from digging ditches,
to setting the farm, to carpentry work.
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I've been there.
I know what it is to bend over,
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grab the shovel, dig, sweat for hours,
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work when you don't wanna work.
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Whatever we've gotta do,
however hard we got to work
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to get the American Dream, honestly,
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then that's what we're gonna do, you know?
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[Arthur] The American
free enterprise system
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is our gift to the world.
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And is the secret for all of us to...
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to pull up the least fortunate,
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most marginalized members
in our own societies.
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And to share those values
with people all around the world.
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[calm music]
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Oh, man.
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[Arthur] When I was a kid,
I knew for sure,
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where my vote came down.
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[chuckles]
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I was all about art music.
That's all I wanted to do.
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So I painted every day
with my mom after school,
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and then I... when I was four,
I started violin.
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When I was five, I started piano.
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When I was nine,
I started the French horn.
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And that's the one
that really captured my imagination.
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So I was really good at it.
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Oh, yeah.
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[chuckles]
Oh, yeah.
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[Arthur] When I was 25,
I moved to Barcelona.
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I ended up taking a job
in the Barcelona orchestra.
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Actually, I didn't move there
because of the orchestra,
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I went there because I was chasing a girl.
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This is exactly, exactly the same.
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[Arthur] When I came here,
I didn't even know the language.
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[laughing]
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[Arthur] Somehow,
I convinced her to marry me.
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Oh, man.
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[Arthur] That was 27 years ago
when we got married.
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-You remember this?
-[Ester] Mm-hm, yep.
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[Arthur] You know,
it actually looks smaller.
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[Ester] It does look small.
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It looks smaller. It's like there were...
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thousands more people in here
that could fit in here.
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[chuckles]
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[Ester] You've been in the States
too long.
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-I know, I know, I know.
-[Ester chuckles]
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[Arthur] Barcelona is the most
hard read place in Spain.
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And Spain is a pretty left-wing country.
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So, she's got this family that...
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that she'd been hearing
since she was a kid.
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[Ester in Spanish]
We put the anchovies on the table, right?
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-[Arthur] Yes.
-[Ester] Or did you eat them all?
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-[Arthur] It's okay.
-[Ester] Okay.
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[background chatter]
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[Ester] I didn't like Americans.
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I thought America was imperialistic,
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materialistic, capitalistic society.
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I hated it. Like everybody else around me.
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00:21:16,566 --> 00:21:20,904
So... But I meet this American guy
and traveled there with him a few times.
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I said,
"Wait, this is not like I thought, right?"
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I learned English
and I changed because of him.
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He showed me that Americans were okay.
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[Ester in Spanish]
We were like everyone else here.
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-Right? We were like everyone else.
-[old woman] Yes.
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-But with--
-No.
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-The Arthur here, a person...
-No, no.
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Not Arthur. Arthur said the people change.
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The factor changes.
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No, but I was an idiot.
446
00:21:45,429 --> 00:21:46,638
-Yes, but no.
-There are different kinds of idiot.
447
00:21:46,722 --> 00:21:47,806
-There are different kinds of idiot.
-I have a picture of you.
448
00:21:47,889 --> 00:21:49,558
-There are different kinds of idiot.
-[laughing]
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[in Spanish]
I remember when I came here to live,
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it was different compared to now.
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Here, I see the change.
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I came here in the year '89, right?
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Then married after.
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And it was the post-Franco era.
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But I come now and it is amazing.
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It's just that a lot of people,
a lot of those,
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I don’t know how many shops had to close.
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[woman 1 speaking Spanish]
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Because during Franco’s government
there was more middle class.
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-[Arthur] Okay, then.
-Mm.
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[man] When there was more...
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And if Franco did something,
and he did a lot of things,
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it was creating a middle class
that has almost disappeared nowadays.
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[Arthur in Spanish]
Yes, it's that.
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That every time you come here,
change is worse.
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-Do you believe that?
-[Ester in Spanish] I do.
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Its promises...
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[Arthur] I go back to Barcelona
all the time.
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And just like in the US,
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people are convinced
that the system is failing them.
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[man shouting on PA]
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[in Spanish]
[man 3] Yes, we can!
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[crowd] Documents and contract!
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00:22:53,205 --> 00:22:54,748
[man 3] Yes, we can!
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[crowd] Documents and contract!
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[Arthur] In Spain,
there's a movement called 15-M,
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which means the 15th of March.
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Which was the day that,
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sort of the Spanish Occupy movement
got kicked off.
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[crowd chanting]
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[Arthur] It's pretty hard to find
people in Barcelona
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who are not on the hard left.
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What I wanted to do
was to actually interview them
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and ask them their views
of free enterprise.
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And of what American ideas
are doing in the world.
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[man 3 in Spanish]
Good evening.
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[man 4 in Spanish]
I’m a full anti-capitalist.
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I’m shameless.
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[Arthur] Capitalism gets a pretty bad rep.
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And the reason is because
ordinary, good-hearted people
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look around and they see exploitation...
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which exists,
and they see discrimination, which exists,
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and they see environmental degradation,
which exists.
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They see a system
that kind of holds people down
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and takes their stuff.
496
00:23:50,095 --> 00:23:51,263
They see fat cats,
497
00:23:51,346 --> 00:23:53,014
who have a special deal
into the government.
498
00:23:53,098 --> 00:23:54,850
I say, "No, no, no,
that's not capitalism."
499
00:23:54,933 --> 00:23:55,976
[chuckles]
500
00:23:56,059 --> 00:23:57,519
That's cronyism.
501
00:23:57,602 --> 00:23:59,146
That's wired deals.
502
00:23:59,229 --> 00:24:01,940
That's the antithesis
of what a free society is all about.
503
00:24:03,525 --> 00:24:06,319
I like to think that I understand
other people's point of view,
504
00:24:06,403 --> 00:24:08,155
but I don't always.
505
00:24:08,405 --> 00:24:09,739
I have to remember
506
00:24:09,823 --> 00:24:12,450
that people have
different experiences than I have.
507
00:24:12,826 --> 00:24:16,246
Which is animating them
to hold a different point of view.
508
00:24:16,329 --> 00:24:17,956
[in Spanish]
What we have to consider
509
00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:19,833
is the system we want to transform.
510
00:24:19,916 --> 00:24:22,460
We wanted to welcome you
511
00:24:22,544 --> 00:24:25,630
and make a symbolic action
with all of you.
512
00:24:26,631 --> 00:24:28,341
I don't mind
513
00:24:28,425 --> 00:24:29,801
if there's very rich people,
514
00:24:29,885 --> 00:24:31,344
if there isn't very poor people.
515
00:24:31,428 --> 00:24:32,429
Yeah, yeah.
516
00:24:32,512 --> 00:24:34,389
-The problem is inequality.
-Yeah, yeah.
517
00:24:34,472 --> 00:24:35,807
-Not accumulation per se.
-Yeah, yeah.
518
00:24:35,891 --> 00:24:37,142
Wealth and poverty aren't marked
519
00:24:37,225 --> 00:24:38,810
-by having much or less money...
-Yeah, yeah.
520
00:24:38,894 --> 00:24:40,937
but by someone very rich living next
to someone very poor.
521
00:24:41,021 --> 00:24:43,315
[in Spanish]
Yes, but do you think someone
522
00:24:43,398 --> 00:24:45,859
could or should be able
523
00:24:45,942 --> 00:24:47,569
-to set up a business?
-Absolutely.
524
00:24:47,652 --> 00:24:50,697
So you are okay
with this part of capitalism.
525
00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:51,990
This is not capitalism.
526
00:24:52,073 --> 00:24:53,783
-That's...
-Anyone can set up their own business.
527
00:24:53,867 --> 00:24:54,993
[crowd cheering, applauding]
528
00:24:55,076 --> 00:24:56,953
[Arthur] Juanma is a smart guy.
[snickers]
529
00:24:57,329 --> 00:25:00,624
[Arthur] One of his big causes
is what he calls anti-capitalism.
530
00:25:00,749 --> 00:25:03,210
I'm thinking, "You're not anti-capitalist,
531
00:25:03,293 --> 00:25:06,171
you're anti some idea of capitalism
532
00:25:06,254 --> 00:25:08,048
that exists in the ether."
533
00:25:09,382 --> 00:25:15,472
[Arthur speaking Spanish]
534
00:25:15,805 --> 00:25:20,143
-[speaking Spanish]
-Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
535
00:25:22,938 --> 00:25:26,983
-[continues speaking Spanish]
-Yeah, yeah.
536
00:25:28,985 --> 00:25:30,779
[Arthur in English]
I understand that ideology,
537
00:25:30,862 --> 00:25:32,530
and I understand that it dies hard.
538
00:25:32,614 --> 00:25:34,532
Because it's... it's very difficult
539
00:25:34,616 --> 00:25:36,451
for people to get their minds around
the idea that...
540
00:25:36,910 --> 00:25:39,663
the best way for you to help poor people
541
00:25:39,746 --> 00:25:43,750
is the very system that you thought
was rigged against the poor.
542
00:25:44,417 --> 00:25:46,336
[Arthur] If you worry about inequality
543
00:25:46,419 --> 00:25:48,713
and say that capitalism
doesn't wipe it out,
544
00:25:48,797 --> 00:25:50,131
you're simply going to say,
545
00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:52,842
"I am just as happy bringing the top down
546
00:25:52,926 --> 00:25:54,844
as I am bringing the bottom up."
547
00:25:55,095 --> 00:25:56,721
If you want to be a social justice warrior
548
00:25:56,805 --> 00:26:00,392
to bring people to their highest levels
of dignity and potential.
549
00:26:00,475 --> 00:26:03,353
If you believe
that we're all created equal,
550
00:26:03,436 --> 00:26:05,438
you should be a warrior for opportunity.
551
00:26:06,690 --> 00:26:08,692
[tranquil music]
552
00:26:09,901 --> 00:26:13,071
[speaking Spanish]
553
00:26:13,989 --> 00:26:15,532
[woman speaking Spanish]
554
00:26:15,949 --> 00:26:21,705
[Arthur speaking Spanish]
555
00:26:29,379 --> 00:26:33,383
[continues speaking Spanish]
556
00:26:34,509 --> 00:26:38,388
[Arthur in English]
I presented capitalism as the face of...
557
00:26:39,014 --> 00:26:40,640
people who want to help the world.
558
00:26:40,724 --> 00:26:42,851
And that's something
that most people haven't heard before.
559
00:26:42,934 --> 00:26:44,602
Most people in America haven't heard that.
560
00:26:48,982 --> 00:26:51,484
What I've seen on NYU's campus
561
00:26:51,568 --> 00:26:53,987
and what I've seen in polls all over.
562
00:26:54,404 --> 00:26:57,115
Fifty-one percent
of people between 18 and 29
563
00:26:57,198 --> 00:26:59,659
no longer support
the system of capitalism.
564
00:27:00,076 --> 00:27:02,287
Capitalism is a cancer.
565
00:27:02,370 --> 00:27:04,289
And it's a... it's a pathology.
566
00:27:04,372 --> 00:27:05,582
It's a... it's a sickness.
567
00:27:05,665 --> 00:27:07,876
[woman 2] We need to stop
investing in privatization.
568
00:27:07,959 --> 00:27:10,920
We need to start worrying about
the 99 percent of the population.
569
00:27:11,379 --> 00:27:12,797
Uh, we need to...
570
00:27:13,298 --> 00:27:15,884
start investing our money
into social welfare programs
571
00:27:15,967 --> 00:27:17,802
and worrying about
the middle to lower class,
572
00:27:17,886 --> 00:27:20,513
because we are not truly a great nation
573
00:27:20,597 --> 00:27:24,351
until all of us are strong
and all of us are prospering.
574
00:27:25,352 --> 00:27:27,187
[crowd chanting indistinctly]
575
00:27:27,270 --> 00:27:29,439
[Arthur] Here's the great irony
of our times.
576
00:27:29,522 --> 00:27:31,524
People across the political spectrum
577
00:27:31,608 --> 00:27:33,735
in the wealthiest countries in the world
578
00:27:33,943 --> 00:27:36,363
are increasingly turning against
the very system
579
00:27:36,446 --> 00:27:38,323
that's lifted us out of poverty.
580
00:27:38,406 --> 00:27:40,450
[crowd] Cuts? No way!
581
00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:42,744
Make the corporations pay!
582
00:27:43,328 --> 00:27:45,789
[Arthur] Even in the US,
where support for socialist parties
583
00:27:45,872 --> 00:27:47,374
is small compared to Europe,
584
00:27:47,707 --> 00:27:49,084
support is growing quickly.
585
00:27:50,502 --> 00:27:53,129
Increasing numbers of young people
are leaning towards
586
00:27:53,213 --> 00:27:55,799
something called democratic socialism.
587
00:27:56,132 --> 00:27:58,134
[gloomy music]
588
00:28:00,887 --> 00:28:04,933
How do you talk to young people
about... capitalism?
589
00:28:05,016 --> 00:28:05,850
So...
590
00:28:06,810 --> 00:28:09,562
Pretend I don't know anything
about capitalism.
591
00:28:10,271 --> 00:28:12,482
How do you describe how the capitalism...
592
00:28:12,607 --> 00:28:14,609
How the capital system works today?
593
00:28:14,692 --> 00:28:17,195
Well, capitalism still is a system
594
00:28:17,278 --> 00:28:20,990
where a... goods and services
are produced for profit.
595
00:28:21,074 --> 00:28:26,246
And where investment is controlled
by capitalists or large shareholders
596
00:28:26,621 --> 00:28:28,206
or their appointed managers.
597
00:28:28,289 --> 00:28:30,417
And where workers,
working people generally,
598
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:33,420
have only their labor to sell
because they don't own the capital.
599
00:28:33,503 --> 00:28:36,131
So the question is,
is capitalism a democratic?
600
00:28:36,214 --> 00:28:39,634
[Joseph] And that do working people
have any voice over how they produce
601
00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:40,677
what they produce?
602
00:28:40,802 --> 00:28:44,556
And then the inequalities
that most capital systems generate,
603
00:28:44,639 --> 00:28:47,809
you know, don't they have to be
redressed by some degree
604
00:28:47,892 --> 00:28:49,936
of government intervention,
social welfare programs.
605
00:28:50,019 --> 00:28:52,731
So that... Is that the biggest problem
that you see today?
606
00:28:52,814 --> 00:28:55,984
Is that capitalism,
as we practice in the United States,
607
00:28:56,526 --> 00:28:58,653
is fundamentally undemocratic?
608
00:28:59,154 --> 00:29:01,114
I'd say it's undemocratic
and fundamentally,
609
00:29:01,197 --> 00:29:04,075
it doesn't fill its own claim
to have equality of opportunity.
610
00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:07,203
[Mary] I talk to younger people.
611
00:29:07,287 --> 00:29:08,788
There's a discontent
612
00:29:08,872 --> 00:29:11,040
in the field in terms
of how this is working.
613
00:29:11,416 --> 00:29:14,544
The American Dream is always predicated on
614
00:29:14,627 --> 00:29:17,338
"You work hard, you get the right grade,
615
00:29:17,422 --> 00:29:19,924
you go to the right schools
or get the right trade
616
00:29:20,008 --> 00:29:22,135
or whatever else,
you're going to make it."
617
00:29:22,469 --> 00:29:24,137
And a lot of time,
618
00:29:24,721 --> 00:29:25,597
it doesn't work that way.
619
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,517
Sometimes, it's because of, you know,
life gives you a bad hand,
620
00:29:29,601 --> 00:29:31,978
but sometimes, it's...
as was brought up earlier,
621
00:29:32,061 --> 00:29:35,190
we all don't have the same platform
622
00:29:35,815 --> 00:29:38,359
of being able to have
a certain chance and opportunity.
623
00:29:38,443 --> 00:29:39,944
And sometimes that's because of being born
624
00:29:40,028 --> 00:29:41,529
in a certain end of economic place
625
00:29:41,613 --> 00:29:44,073
or have generations
who are in a certain economic place.
626
00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:49,454
We don't get a real voice
in this country anymore.
627
00:29:49,871 --> 00:29:52,457
Until unfortunately,
things get to an extreme.
628
00:29:52,540 --> 00:29:55,126
You know, I hear a lot
of discomfort with markets
629
00:29:55,210 --> 00:29:57,086
sorting out economic problems,
630
00:29:57,170 --> 00:29:58,713
because either it's really undemocratic
631
00:29:58,797 --> 00:30:01,007
-or... or frankly, it's just unfair.
-[Mary] Mm-hm.
632
00:30:01,090 --> 00:30:04,219
What countries should we be
learning from, in your view?
633
00:30:04,302 --> 00:30:07,764
I would look at the Scandinavian countries
in terms of the social welfare state.
634
00:30:07,847 --> 00:30:10,350
In terms of state regulation
of the economy,
635
00:30:10,433 --> 00:30:11,976
in terms of labor rights.
636
00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:14,062
[Joseph] They're much more developed
than our own country.
637
00:30:14,145 --> 00:30:16,189
I do think one reason why younger people
638
00:30:16,272 --> 00:30:18,358
would say that socialism
is preferable to capitalism
639
00:30:18,441 --> 00:30:21,444
and they're more enthusiastic
about socialism than capitalism,
640
00:30:21,528 --> 00:30:23,029
you know, 30 and under,
641
00:30:23,112 --> 00:30:25,031
is that they vaguely associate socialism
642
00:30:25,114 --> 00:30:28,034
with a more egalitarian
and more socially mobile society.
643
00:30:28,117 --> 00:30:29,869
And I think they think of Scandinavia.
644
00:30:29,953 --> 00:30:31,955
[light music]
645
00:30:42,006 --> 00:30:44,008
[light music continues]
646
00:30:49,264 --> 00:30:51,182
[Arthur] For years, I've been looking
at these surveys
647
00:30:51,266 --> 00:30:53,434
that talk about happiness
from different places in the world,
648
00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:55,061
and they always come
to the same conclusion,
649
00:30:55,144 --> 00:30:56,771
that Danes are happiest.
650
00:30:58,982 --> 00:31:01,401
[Arthur] A lot of people
in the United States say
651
00:31:01,484 --> 00:31:03,653
this is the modern Shangri-la.
652
00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:06,906
We should build our own country
around the principles of Danish happiness.
653
00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:09,200
We should have a, a government like this.
654
00:31:09,284 --> 00:31:11,077
We should have
a social welfare state like this.
655
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:15,415
[Arthur] Look, my great-grandparents
were Danish.
656
00:31:15,498 --> 00:31:16,416
[people shrieking]
657
00:31:16,499 --> 00:31:19,502
[Arthur] They left Denmark for America
in search of opportunity.
658
00:31:21,087 --> 00:31:22,547
Did they make the wrong call?
659
00:31:23,131 --> 00:31:25,800
Would my family been better off
if they had stayed?
660
00:31:28,303 --> 00:31:30,972
[Mogens] No political system
can make people happy.
661
00:31:31,055 --> 00:31:34,893
But we had political systems
that can remove a number of reasons
662
00:31:34,976 --> 00:31:36,394
for them to be unhappy.
663
00:31:36,477 --> 00:31:38,771
[piano playing]
664
00:31:40,690 --> 00:31:42,692
[people singing in Danish]
665
00:31:54,162 --> 00:31:56,164
[singing continues]
666
00:32:18,436 --> 00:32:20,730
[Arthur] These were the songs
that you sang when you were a child?
667
00:32:20,813 --> 00:32:22,440
-[man 5] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
-[Arthur] In school?
668
00:32:22,523 --> 00:32:24,150
-And that's what you would want?
-[man 5] Yeah.
669
00:32:24,233 --> 00:32:25,985
To do it together in the morning
and start the day.
670
00:32:26,069 --> 00:32:28,738
-Yeah. That's the main idea to...
-Uh-huh.
671
00:32:28,821 --> 00:32:32,450
And go out into the day
and in a... in good spirits.
672
00:32:32,533 --> 00:32:34,535
[people singing in Danish]
673
00:32:36,746 --> 00:32:38,748
[singing continues]
674
00:32:41,042 --> 00:32:43,378
So does anybody go to church
and sing these songs anymore
675
00:32:43,461 --> 00:32:45,546
-or not so much?
-Not so much. No.
676
00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:47,382
No, because of the library is there.
677
00:32:47,465 --> 00:32:49,717
-[both laugh]
-[Arthur] They go to the library.
678
00:32:49,801 --> 00:32:51,552
I don't know what that was.
679
00:32:51,636 --> 00:32:55,390
It was singing in the library
in the morning before work.
680
00:32:55,473 --> 00:32:56,307
Because...
681
00:32:56,975 --> 00:32:59,185
life is better
when you sing in the library
682
00:32:59,268 --> 00:33:00,520
in the morning before work.
683
00:33:01,437 --> 00:33:03,439
[people singing in Danish]
684
00:33:06,567 --> 00:33:09,779
[Arthur] It's just
a not very fast-moving life.
685
00:33:10,446 --> 00:33:14,283
It's, you know, spend your morning
singing in the library
686
00:33:14,367 --> 00:33:16,077
as opposed to going into work early.
687
00:33:16,327 --> 00:33:17,578
It's take off at noon
688
00:33:17,662 --> 00:33:20,081
and go to the beach
and have an ice cream with your kids.
689
00:33:20,164 --> 00:33:22,709
It's the intense life in life.
690
00:33:23,418 --> 00:33:26,212
[Arthur] While in Copenhagen,
I met up with Michael Booth,
691
00:33:26,295 --> 00:33:28,548
a British expat living in Denmark.
692
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:30,550
He's a famous travel writer,
693
00:33:30,633 --> 00:33:33,386
and brings a unique perspective
to Danish life.
694
00:33:33,469 --> 00:33:34,345
-Welcome aboard.
-Thanks.
695
00:33:34,429 --> 00:33:37,181
[Michael] Well, if you talk
to a Dane about Denmark,
696
00:33:37,265 --> 00:33:38,599
they'll always spin you the line,
697
00:33:38,683 --> 00:33:40,977
"Oh, we're only five million people,
we're a very small country."
698
00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:42,854
But you talk to them a little bit longer,
699
00:33:42,937 --> 00:33:44,313
and you discover deep down,
700
00:33:44,772 --> 00:33:48,526
they believe they have created
the most modern, progressive,
701
00:33:48,609 --> 00:33:52,155
well-functioning, fair society
in the world.
702
00:33:52,572 --> 00:33:54,991
And I'm not sure you can argue
with them, actually.
703
00:33:55,825 --> 00:33:58,244
[Michael] The Danes
are not skipping gaily down the streets
704
00:33:58,327 --> 00:33:59,495
in sombreros,
705
00:33:59,579 --> 00:34:02,373
but they are incredibly satisfied
with what they have.
706
00:34:04,417 --> 00:34:06,419
[Olav speaking Danish]
707
00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:09,005
[Olav] I don't find happiness as a...
708
00:34:09,756 --> 00:34:12,925
a certain thing that you are all the time.
709
00:34:13,634 --> 00:34:15,595
Happiness appears in moments,
710
00:34:15,845 --> 00:34:18,514
and I think there are
a lot of moments in Denmark
711
00:34:18,598 --> 00:34:20,099
where Danes are happy.
712
00:34:20,183 --> 00:34:21,601
[hums]
713
00:34:21,684 --> 00:34:25,063
So this... this month, I'm taking care
of the kids in the afternoon,
714
00:34:25,146 --> 00:34:26,856
but, um, in one month,
715
00:34:26,939 --> 00:34:29,692
I'm very busy, and then
she will take care of the kids, so...
716
00:34:29,776 --> 00:34:32,320
[both speaking in Danish]
717
00:34:33,654 --> 00:34:35,239
[Sophie] When our kids were born,
718
00:34:35,323 --> 00:34:38,910
we talked about, "Wow, they choose
the winning ticket," you know?
719
00:34:38,993 --> 00:34:43,456
They were born into this system
where we have everything that we need.
720
00:34:43,915 --> 00:34:45,249
Everybody's happy,
721
00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:46,667
no one is suffering.
722
00:34:46,751 --> 00:34:48,836
-[sizzling]
-[Olav speaking Danish]
723
00:34:50,463 --> 00:34:52,256
[continues speaking Danish]
724
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:55,426
Omelet?
725
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:57,720
[Olav] Omelet.
726
00:34:58,054 --> 00:34:59,347
[child] Ah!
727
00:34:59,555 --> 00:35:02,809
[Sophie] We have a very strong
welfare system
728
00:35:02,892 --> 00:35:04,602
that's quite unique, I think.
729
00:35:04,685 --> 00:35:06,312
[laughing]
730
00:35:06,395 --> 00:35:10,608
We go to doctor sometimes,
just to get checked and stuff
731
00:35:10,691 --> 00:35:11,776
and that's free.
732
00:35:12,568 --> 00:35:15,863
My education is free.
All I have to pay is buy books.
733
00:35:16,614 --> 00:35:17,990
[man 6] Is it safe to be here?
734
00:35:18,074 --> 00:35:20,868
Of course, we have violence,
but not that kind of violence
735
00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:22,954
we hear from other part of the world.
736
00:35:24,622 --> 00:35:27,500
[Michael] Danes live really well
inside their little...
737
00:35:27,583 --> 00:35:28,960
-They're like hobbits.
-[Arthur] Right.
738
00:35:29,043 --> 00:35:31,629
They like to create
a nice, cozy environment.
739
00:35:32,213 --> 00:35:34,715
[Christensen] We seem
to value our leisure time,
740
00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:36,217
and our time with our family
741
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:38,386
more than most countries in the world.
742
00:35:38,469 --> 00:35:39,846
And you can say, "Why is that?"
743
00:35:39,929 --> 00:35:42,807
When we pay for all the welfare benefits,
744
00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:44,392
we are paying relatively high taxes.
745
00:35:44,475 --> 00:35:46,310
In fact, we are paying the highest tax
in the world.
746
00:35:46,853 --> 00:35:48,521
[Arthur] So what do you pay in taxes?
747
00:35:48,604 --> 00:35:51,607
Top rate is about 56 percent,
but that's just on income tax.
748
00:35:51,691 --> 00:35:53,985
Roughly, it's about 75 percent
of your income
749
00:35:54,068 --> 00:35:55,987
somehow ends up...
750
00:35:56,237 --> 00:35:57,780
-In the government.
-...with the government.
751
00:35:57,864 --> 00:35:59,991
Yeah, you've got to hold on
to your heart there, Arthur.
752
00:36:00,074 --> 00:36:01,409
[chuckles]
753
00:36:01,492 --> 00:36:04,704
[Arthur] Denmark and Scandinavia
are all what's called, socialists.
754
00:36:04,787 --> 00:36:06,914
And that means everything and nothing.
755
00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:11,043
Uh, what we understand is socialism
has become so complicated.
756
00:36:12,211 --> 00:36:14,672
The ironic thing,
is that Denmark and America
757
00:36:14,755 --> 00:36:17,592
actually have more in common
than most people realize.
758
00:36:18,843 --> 00:36:21,387
[Rasmussen] I know
that, uh, some people in the US,
759
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:24,432
associate the Nordic model
with some sort of socialism.
760
00:36:25,141 --> 00:36:28,561
Therefore, I would like to make
one thing clear.
761
00:36:29,145 --> 00:36:33,107
Uh, Denmark is, uh, far
from a socialist-planned economy.
762
00:36:33,482 --> 00:36:35,151
Denmark is a market economy.
763
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,237
[Arthur] Denmark
and the rest of Scandinavia
764
00:36:38,321 --> 00:36:39,989
are wealthy modern societies
765
00:36:40,072 --> 00:36:42,450
that develop through the mid-20th century,
766
00:36:42,533 --> 00:36:44,076
much like the United States did,
767
00:36:44,744 --> 00:36:47,371
through free market economies
and small governments
768
00:36:47,455 --> 00:36:48,873
with minimal social spending.
769
00:36:49,498 --> 00:36:52,168
Their large welfare systems
are like our own,
770
00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:54,295
a relatively recent phenomenon.
771
00:36:54,754 --> 00:36:57,798
[Christensen] Denmark did not start out
as a welfare state.
772
00:36:57,882 --> 00:37:00,593
And I don't think
it's the natural state for Denmark.
773
00:37:00,676 --> 00:37:01,594
In fact,
774
00:37:01,677 --> 00:37:04,222
what we have spent most
of the political energy
775
00:37:04,305 --> 00:37:06,140
on the economic side since the early '80s
776
00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:08,392
of scaling back government.
777
00:37:09,393 --> 00:37:10,603
[Sophia] I don't think it's...
778
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:12,647
a socialistic utopia.
779
00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:14,607
-I don't see it that way. Not at all.
-No, Not at all.
780
00:37:14,732 --> 00:37:16,525
-We're highly capitalistic in the market.
-Yeah.
781
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:18,236
I think capitalism is all right, you know,
782
00:37:18,319 --> 00:37:19,153
because, uh, you know,
783
00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:21,656
I have my own company,
and I think it's okay to...
784
00:37:22,323 --> 00:37:23,866
give a little bit away, you know,
785
00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:25,409
to people who is not feeling so good.
786
00:37:25,493 --> 00:37:27,495
[people singing in Danish]
787
00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:32,291
[Arthur] There are some things in Denmark
that are pretty attractive.
788
00:37:33,417 --> 00:37:35,670
The place definitely has its charms.
789
00:37:36,963 --> 00:37:38,798
But their culture does have a downside.
790
00:37:39,548 --> 00:37:41,842
[Michael] This is not a land
of individuals.
791
00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:43,386
It's not, right?
792
00:37:43,469 --> 00:37:47,306
And if you are eccentric,
or strange, or super ambitious...
793
00:37:47,723 --> 00:37:49,934
uh, you're gonna struggle here.
794
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:53,271
[Michael] Danes
would probably consider themselves
795
00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:55,231
to be the most free people on earth.
796
00:37:55,314 --> 00:37:57,483
You know, they have free democracy,
freedom of speech.
797
00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:00,569
But from my perspective,
when I first came here,
798
00:38:00,653 --> 00:38:03,406
I didn't see them
as free at all, actually.
799
00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:06,993
This is, as I say, a boutique country
of five million people
800
00:38:07,076 --> 00:38:08,244
with this special history
801
00:38:08,327 --> 00:38:10,997
which some claim, goes back
a thousand years to the Vikings.
802
00:38:12,873 --> 00:38:14,542
[Christensen]
If you look at the Danish culture,
803
00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:17,086
there is a saying called Jante Law.
804
00:38:17,169 --> 00:38:20,006
Jante Law is a list of, uh, commandments.
805
00:38:20,089 --> 00:38:21,799
Like old testament-style commandments.
806
00:38:21,882 --> 00:38:22,925
The commandments include,
807
00:38:23,009 --> 00:38:25,428
"Thou shall not think
thou are all better than me."
808
00:38:25,511 --> 00:38:27,096
"You shouldn't think you're something."
809
00:38:27,179 --> 00:38:29,932
"Thou shall not think
you can teach me anything."
810
00:38:30,016 --> 00:38:32,101
"Don't think you are the special one."
811
00:38:32,184 --> 00:38:34,145
[Michael] Even here
in cosmopolitan Copenhagen
812
00:38:34,228 --> 00:38:35,521
where they might deny it,
813
00:38:35,604 --> 00:38:36,856
it still applies.
814
00:38:38,733 --> 00:38:42,820
[Christensen] It is a social norm
that tells you to do exactly the opposite
815
00:38:42,903 --> 00:38:44,196
of the American Dream.
816
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,323
Don't stand out.
817
00:38:45,406 --> 00:38:47,742
[people singing in Danish]
818
00:38:47,825 --> 00:38:52,788
[Sophie] We built up this ideal picture
of how things are gonna work.
819
00:38:52,872 --> 00:38:55,791
And if you don't fit
into that picture, you...
820
00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:57,293
Yeah. You fail.
821
00:39:00,087 --> 00:39:01,672
[Arthur] People talk about
the United States
822
00:39:01,756 --> 00:39:02,715
as being inadequate.
823
00:39:02,798 --> 00:39:04,133
And so they look to another country
824
00:39:04,216 --> 00:39:06,844
and they only see
the things that they want.
825
00:39:08,262 --> 00:39:09,764
[Michael] I get asked a lot,
826
00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:11,932
"Should America become more like Denmark?"
827
00:39:12,016 --> 00:39:13,601
Like there's some kind of template
828
00:39:13,684 --> 00:39:16,479
that you can just take
from a country of five million people,
829
00:39:16,854 --> 00:39:18,064
and take that template,
830
00:39:18,147 --> 00:39:21,067
and impose it on America,
on the United States of America,
831
00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:23,527
with its huge population
and massive diversity.
832
00:39:23,986 --> 00:39:25,321
That's insane.
833
00:39:26,697 --> 00:39:29,200
[Christensen] In this system,
where we are all very similar,
834
00:39:29,575 --> 00:39:32,244
there is also social norms
835
00:39:32,328 --> 00:39:36,791
that will ensure the misuse
of social benefits are smaller.
836
00:39:38,042 --> 00:39:41,545
[Olav] I think you can see Denmark
as one big community.
837
00:39:41,629 --> 00:39:44,006
And with that, I mean, that we are one.
838
00:39:44,715 --> 00:39:45,966
We are one and the same.
839
00:39:46,342 --> 00:39:48,636
Globalization is a threat to Denmark.
840
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,179
Danes certainly see it as a threat.
841
00:39:50,262 --> 00:39:52,848
You are free in Denmark,
but you're free to be Danish.
842
00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:55,226
[reporter 3]
The Danish People's Party is celebrating
843
00:39:55,309 --> 00:39:57,812
its victorious result
in legislative elections
844
00:39:57,895 --> 00:39:59,855
with 21 percent of the votes.
845
00:39:59,939 --> 00:40:02,274
This makes the anti-immigration
People's Party,
846
00:40:02,358 --> 00:40:03,901
Denmark's second largest.
847
00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:07,238
Described by detractors
as populist or even far-right,
848
00:40:07,321 --> 00:40:11,283
the DPP confirms an anti-immigration trend
in the Nordic countries.
849
00:40:11,617 --> 00:40:13,077
I don't like it.
850
00:40:13,327 --> 00:40:15,121
I, I didn't feel good about them.
851
00:40:15,204 --> 00:40:16,288
I don't like Muslims.
852
00:40:16,372 --> 00:40:17,957
[interpreters voice]
They can't just come here
853
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:18,999
and do whatever they want.
854
00:40:19,083 --> 00:40:21,669
Like staring at girls
at nightclubs and stuff.
855
00:40:21,752 --> 00:40:23,546
They shouldn't be allowed to do that.
856
00:40:25,047 --> 00:40:28,050
[in Danish]
These people, especially young, healthy,
857
00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:30,719
fit, Muslim men have been lured here,
858
00:40:30,803 --> 00:40:32,721
because they want to be a part
of what we have created.
859
00:40:32,805 --> 00:40:34,348
We have created something.
860
00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:37,017
And what has created
the success of Europe?
861
00:40:37,101 --> 00:40:40,521
It's mainly the ethnic, cultural,
politically homogeneous
862
00:40:40,604 --> 00:40:42,189
national states that have created it.
863
00:40:42,314 --> 00:40:44,316
[tense music]
864
00:40:44,984 --> 00:40:47,695
[Arthur] What's attractive about Denmark
to a lot of Americans,
865
00:40:47,778 --> 00:40:49,947
it's just not a complete picture
of the country.
866
00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:52,241
-[men shouting]
-[metal clanking]
867
00:40:53,284 --> 00:40:54,410
[Arthur] Like much of Europe,
868
00:40:54,493 --> 00:40:57,913
the Scandinavians cling
to an ethnic national identity,
869
00:40:58,539 --> 00:41:01,292
with centuries of cultural
and ethnic tradition.
870
00:41:01,834 --> 00:41:03,794
There's really not a sense
of that in the United States,
871
00:41:03,878 --> 00:41:05,337
because we're all different.
872
00:41:05,421 --> 00:41:07,423
We're all from different places.
873
00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:10,968
Uh, there's not a sense
of American ethnicity.
874
00:41:11,051 --> 00:41:12,887
There isn't now. I hope there never is.
875
00:41:13,429 --> 00:41:15,264
Hey, what it really is,
the difference is this,
876
00:41:15,598 --> 00:41:19,018
um, other countries are places,
United States is an idea.
877
00:41:19,977 --> 00:41:21,395
[Arthur] That's what makes it so strong,
878
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:24,273
but it means we can never
take this for granted.
879
00:41:25,065 --> 00:41:28,402
There's a rising tide
of populist nationalism in America,
880
00:41:28,486 --> 00:41:31,280
and that's a real threat
to what makes the US exceptional.
881
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:38,412
[crowd chanting]
882
00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:40,039
Made in USA!
883
00:41:40,122 --> 00:41:41,957
[Arthur] I think what we're seeing
right now,
884
00:41:42,041 --> 00:41:44,668
is a breakdown not so much
between the right and the left,
885
00:41:44,752 --> 00:41:47,254
but between people
who want a more closed society
886
00:41:47,338 --> 00:41:49,423
and people who want a more open society.
887
00:41:50,716 --> 00:41:52,092
So why is this happening?
888
00:41:52,259 --> 00:41:53,344
You know when I talk to people
889
00:41:53,427 --> 00:41:55,054
who are caught up
in the populism of today,
890
00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:57,389
the reason that they're so uncomfortable,
891
00:41:57,473 --> 00:41:58,641
and it really comes down to this,
892
00:41:58,724 --> 00:42:01,310
they know that too many people
in their country,
893
00:42:01,769 --> 00:42:03,145
maybe including them,
894
00:42:03,229 --> 00:42:06,941
have been rendered superfluous
by events and by currents,
895
00:42:07,024 --> 00:42:09,151
by culture, by policy, and by government.
896
00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:13,364
Populism comes when people
are struggling to feel needed.
897
00:42:13,739 --> 00:42:15,741
[tranquil music]
898
00:42:17,701 --> 00:42:20,621
[Arthur] Unfortunately, there are many
communities in the United States
899
00:42:20,704 --> 00:42:22,206
confronting that struggle today.
900
00:42:26,335 --> 00:42:30,339
[Jerry] In this area, there's not much
other work here as far as...
901
00:42:30,673 --> 00:42:32,508
you know, uh, well-paid jobs.
902
00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:35,344
Uh, the mines was really about
the only thing here
903
00:42:35,427 --> 00:42:37,179
that was a really good paying job.
904
00:42:37,721 --> 00:42:39,890
[somber music]
905
00:42:42,393 --> 00:42:44,603
We're like a poster child
for a model economy
906
00:42:44,687 --> 00:42:45,938
here in eastern Kentucky.
907
00:42:48,399 --> 00:42:50,109
[Todd] It's good while it's booming.
908
00:42:50,192 --> 00:42:53,070
I mean, you know, you can't blame people
when it's just like my parents.
909
00:42:53,153 --> 00:42:53,988
You know, my dad...
910
00:42:54,071 --> 00:42:56,365
I mean, why diversify
when you're making a living.
911
00:42:59,034 --> 00:43:00,536
[James] They didn't think
about the future.
912
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,373
You know, but what we're gonna do
if the mines ever shut down,
913
00:43:04,456 --> 00:43:05,874
or you know, coal goes away.
914
00:43:05,958 --> 00:43:07,710
What we're gonna do?
They didn't think about that.
915
00:43:07,793 --> 00:43:10,004
-They didn't expect it.
-They didn't expect it, you know.
916
00:43:11,547 --> 00:43:15,217
I guess we're in a mindset right now
where a lot of people has...
917
00:43:15,718 --> 00:43:18,679
accepted the fact that coal is, is gone.
918
00:43:18,762 --> 00:43:23,434
And, and it doesn't look good
for it to ever come back.
919
00:43:24,101 --> 00:43:25,311
[Eric] You know, it's just...
920
00:43:25,978 --> 00:43:27,646
It's... it's hit us really hard.
921
00:43:28,772 --> 00:43:30,774
[somber music]
922
00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:35,321
[Arthur] Eastern Kentucky and areas
like it all over the United States
923
00:43:35,404 --> 00:43:37,406
are facing deep economic challenges.
924
00:43:38,073 --> 00:43:41,452
These are the areas that our welfare state
was built to help.
925
00:43:41,702 --> 00:43:43,704
[calm music]
926
00:43:45,539 --> 00:43:48,751
[crowd cheering, applauding]
927
00:43:50,544 --> 00:43:51,545
[Arthur] Lyndon Johnson.
928
00:43:51,879 --> 00:43:54,506
He gave his great society speech
929
00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:59,678
that kicked off the Great Society
in the war on poverty on May 22nd, 1964.
930
00:43:59,762 --> 00:44:02,181
That was one day after I was born.
931
00:44:03,265 --> 00:44:06,518
The great society rests on abundance
and liberty for all.
932
00:44:07,186 --> 00:44:11,357
It demands an end to poverty
and racial injustice.
933
00:44:13,859 --> 00:44:15,194
[Arthur] This was a set of programs
934
00:44:15,277 --> 00:44:19,031
dedicated to obliterating poverty
and improving civil rights.
935
00:44:19,615 --> 00:44:21,325
It was an ambitious set of goals
936
00:44:21,408 --> 00:44:24,411
based on the radical equality
of human dignity.
937
00:44:24,995 --> 00:44:27,039
And I agree with every word.
938
00:44:29,124 --> 00:44:32,878
[Lee] In '64, when I was a reporter
for the Ashland Daily,
939
00:44:33,045 --> 00:44:36,674
the paper assigned me to come and cover...
940
00:44:37,091 --> 00:44:41,345
uh, uh, Lyndon Johnson's visit to Inez,
941
00:44:41,428 --> 00:44:44,348
which was part of it of a day-long trip
942
00:44:44,431 --> 00:44:47,351
where he had been stopping
in places all over the country.
943
00:44:47,935 --> 00:44:50,354
But this Inez was a place
944
00:44:50,437 --> 00:44:53,357
in which he was going to launch
this war on poverty.
945
00:44:53,690 --> 00:44:55,192
[indistinct chatter]
946
00:44:55,401 --> 00:44:57,236
[Lee] Everyone's very excited about it.
947
00:44:57,319 --> 00:44:59,238
Nobody knew exactly
948
00:44:59,613 --> 00:45:02,658
how we'd been chosen
for this fairly dubious honor.
949
00:45:04,284 --> 00:45:05,994
[Arthur] LBJ's goals were noble,
950
00:45:06,328 --> 00:45:10,290
and this poor Appalachian town was hungry
for the progress that he promised.
951
00:45:11,291 --> 00:45:14,628
So, 50 years later, how is Inez doing?
952
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:18,006
Are these programs helping
to get people back on their feet?
953
00:45:19,508 --> 00:45:21,260
[James] The reason
you got more poverty here
954
00:45:21,343 --> 00:45:22,803
is you got the system,
955
00:45:22,886 --> 00:45:24,972
giving people, well, you know,
checks every month.
956
00:45:25,055 --> 00:45:26,682
You know, first times of whatever.
957
00:45:26,932 --> 00:45:29,226
They, they got hold of that
and they don't wanna let it go.
958
00:45:29,935 --> 00:45:31,687
-You know--
-[Pricie] These generations of people.
959
00:45:31,854 --> 00:45:33,772
You've got generations of people
who, you know...
960
00:45:33,856 --> 00:45:35,983
[Pricie] And don't get me wrong.
Those are good programs.
961
00:45:36,066 --> 00:45:37,401
-Yeah.
-They're there to help you,
962
00:45:37,484 --> 00:45:38,402
but they shouldn't have...
963
00:45:38,485 --> 00:45:40,529
Raise your family,
then raise your family's family.
964
00:45:40,612 --> 00:45:42,281
-Right.
-You know, that's been abused.
965
00:45:42,698 --> 00:45:44,575
And that's what you...
And that's what's happened.
966
00:45:44,658 --> 00:45:46,326
[James] It is happening
to some of us right now.
967
00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:48,203
I mean, it is.
I mean, I'm not gonna deny it.
968
00:45:48,871 --> 00:45:50,831
But do I want to live on that program?
969
00:45:50,914 --> 00:45:54,001
Do I want the government to tell me,
"Here's how you're going to live"?
970
00:45:54,084 --> 00:45:54,960
No.
971
00:45:55,252 --> 00:45:57,087
Financially speaking, it's been...
972
00:45:57,171 --> 00:45:58,589
It's been rough. It's been hard.
973
00:45:58,672 --> 00:46:00,549
As my granny would say,
"You rob Peter to pay Paul."
974
00:46:00,632 --> 00:46:02,926
I mean, which, which bill
can I pay at this time?
975
00:46:03,343 --> 00:46:05,429
You know, which one can I let go?
976
00:46:05,888 --> 00:46:07,473
-I mean, and it makes it hard.
-[James] Right.
977
00:46:07,848 --> 00:46:09,224
[clinking]
978
00:46:11,018 --> 00:46:13,020
[calm music]
979
00:46:13,937 --> 00:46:15,647
[Robert] We have done well in America
980
00:46:15,731 --> 00:46:18,775
at providing material well-being
for people who are struggling.
981
00:46:18,859 --> 00:46:21,528
With regard to what they have
for their families,
982
00:46:21,612 --> 00:46:22,738
their food, their housing.
983
00:46:22,821 --> 00:46:25,741
And most people on the right and left
view that as an achievement.
984
00:46:25,824 --> 00:46:26,950
I think they should.
985
00:46:27,409 --> 00:46:28,744
We don't want to live in a society,
986
00:46:29,161 --> 00:46:31,955
where there are people
who are destitute all across America.
987
00:46:32,539 --> 00:46:34,666
[Robert] But they're not earning
their own success.
988
00:46:35,083 --> 00:46:36,543
They're not finding
989
00:46:36,793 --> 00:46:38,378
that dignity that comes
990
00:46:38,462 --> 00:46:41,131
with knowing you're taking care
of yourself and your family.
991
00:46:41,215 --> 00:46:42,549
And in some respects,
992
00:46:42,633 --> 00:46:47,346
the programs are encouraging people
to rely on government assistance,
993
00:46:47,721 --> 00:46:51,308
and not rely enough on their own value.
994
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:53,310
[James] It's hard on you, I mean,
995
00:46:53,393 --> 00:46:55,229
'cause you're not working
and you're used to working,
996
00:46:55,312 --> 00:46:57,314
and there's nothing to do,
and there's no jobs out there.
997
00:46:57,648 --> 00:47:00,400
I don't have the education
as the younger generations got.
998
00:47:00,901 --> 00:47:03,237
If I went back to school,
the time I graduated,
999
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,113
I would be in my 50s. Who's gonna hire me?
1000
00:47:05,739 --> 00:47:08,367
You know, nobody's gonna hire me.
50 years old?
1001
00:47:10,661 --> 00:47:12,996
[Kayla] People that I've seen
a lot of their self-worth...
1002
00:47:13,455 --> 00:47:17,042
is directly tied to their job.
1003
00:47:17,501 --> 00:47:21,213
And directly tied
to how productive they are today.
1004
00:47:21,755 --> 00:47:25,092
So if you take a coal miner,
a typical coal miner,
1005
00:47:25,467 --> 00:47:28,720
and all of a sudden,
you take away his job,
1006
00:47:29,388 --> 00:47:32,266
in effect, you're taking away
his self-worth.
1007
00:47:34,810 --> 00:47:37,813
[Arthur] If we want to deliver
on the promises of the great society,
1008
00:47:37,896 --> 00:47:41,275
we have to start by admitting
that the welfare state is not doing right
1009
00:47:41,358 --> 00:47:43,277
by struggling people in this country.
1010
00:47:44,486 --> 00:47:48,740
[Arthur] From the end of World War II
in 1945 through to 1965,
1011
00:47:48,824 --> 00:47:51,159
the poverty rate declined dramatically.
1012
00:47:51,743 --> 00:47:53,287
But since the implementation
1013
00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:57,207
of the Great Society's
anti-poverty programs in 1966,
1014
00:47:57,291 --> 00:48:00,836
our poverty rate has remained stuck
at around 13 percent.
1015
00:48:02,170 --> 00:48:03,130
Meanwhile,
1016
00:48:03,213 --> 00:48:05,757
working-age male participation
in the workforce
1017
00:48:05,841 --> 00:48:07,509
has declined significantly.
1018
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,514
The US welfare system
has not fixed our poverty problems.
1019
00:48:12,931 --> 00:48:14,766
But it's not for lack of trying.
1020
00:48:15,767 --> 00:48:17,769
Since 1966,
1021
00:48:17,853 --> 00:48:21,315
the US government has spent
over 23 trillion dollars
1022
00:48:21,398 --> 00:48:23,483
on anti-poverty programs alone.
1023
00:48:24,693 --> 00:48:25,611
We've failed.
1024
00:48:25,819 --> 00:48:27,487
And it's not 'cause...
It's not about the money.
1025
00:48:27,571 --> 00:48:28,780
That's not what I'm worried about.
1026
00:48:28,864 --> 00:48:30,365
I don't care
about the 20 trillion dollars.
1027
00:48:30,449 --> 00:48:33,076
I care about the, the human lives
that have been lost.
1028
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,037
We tend to trap people in poverty
1029
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,456
when we treat them
like liabilities to manage
1030
00:48:37,539 --> 00:48:39,708
as opposed to assets and the human family.
1031
00:48:39,791 --> 00:48:42,252
Even if you look way back to FDR,
1032
00:48:42,336 --> 00:48:45,422
when, uh, the safety net
was sort of established in...
1033
00:48:46,006 --> 00:48:49,301
in, uh, the height
of the Great Depression,
1034
00:48:49,676 --> 00:48:51,845
he called welfare a narcotic, uh...
1035
00:48:52,095 --> 00:48:54,640
subtle destroyer of the human spirit.
1036
00:48:54,723 --> 00:48:56,767
Nobody says, "I want more handouts."
1037
00:48:57,392 --> 00:48:59,269
Everybody says, "I want more work."
1038
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,815
[Kathryn] If you probe more deeply,
what you will discover,
1039
00:49:04,358 --> 00:49:08,195
is that what they want more
than anything else...
1040
00:49:08,779 --> 00:49:11,657
is to be part of America.
1041
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:14,493
They want to be citizens.
1042
00:49:14,576 --> 00:49:18,997
They want to be contributors to society.
1043
00:49:20,624 --> 00:49:23,460
[Arthur] People don't want
to be given things for nothing.
1044
00:49:23,543 --> 00:49:26,505
They aspire to earn their success.
1045
00:49:26,922 --> 00:49:29,216
We have to do better
in our welfare systems
1046
00:49:29,299 --> 00:49:30,384
than what we've done before.
1047
00:49:33,387 --> 00:49:35,305
[Mickey] The real poverty exists,
1048
00:49:35,389 --> 00:49:38,058
in this community
and any community in the world,
1049
00:49:38,392 --> 00:49:43,522
is when a, when a young man
or, or, or a young woman grows up...
1050
00:49:43,855 --> 00:49:46,400
with no, with no...
1051
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:47,943
dream.
1052
00:49:48,902 --> 00:49:50,946
With no desire.
1053
00:49:54,366 --> 00:49:55,492
That's poverty, man.
1054
00:50:07,337 --> 00:50:08,672
[Arthur] It's kind of amazing.
1055
00:50:09,256 --> 00:50:11,591
When I listen to public
policy debates today,
1056
00:50:11,675 --> 00:50:13,218
it sounds almost as if...
1057
00:50:14,636 --> 00:50:17,013
Democrats and Republicans,
conservatives and liberals
1058
00:50:17,097 --> 00:50:19,808
can't agree on anything
except this one thing.
1059
00:50:20,142 --> 00:50:22,769
Poor people's work is a punishment.
1060
00:50:22,853 --> 00:50:23,770
That's not right.
1061
00:50:23,854 --> 00:50:25,731
I mean, it's like what,
the one thing you can agree on
1062
00:50:25,814 --> 00:50:28,358
is, is that, you know, the right-wingers
want to punish people with work,
1063
00:50:28,442 --> 00:50:31,528
and, and left-wingers want to exempt
people from the punishment of work.
1064
00:50:31,611 --> 00:50:33,780
So we either sock it to them with them
or exempt them from it.
1065
00:50:33,864 --> 00:50:34,990
That's both wrong.
1066
00:50:35,741 --> 00:50:37,451
[Arthur] All work is sanctified.
1067
00:50:38,285 --> 00:50:39,828
All work creates value.
1068
00:50:40,579 --> 00:50:42,080
When we forget this,
1069
00:50:42,456 --> 00:50:44,458
we move beyond needing people.
1070
00:50:45,208 --> 00:50:46,960
And when people don't feel needed,
1071
00:50:47,085 --> 00:50:49,379
they lose their basic sense of dignity.
1072
00:50:52,382 --> 00:50:54,176
A great society is one
1073
00:50:54,259 --> 00:50:57,679
in which we can instantiate
the greatness inside each person.
1074
00:50:58,013 --> 00:50:59,931
What are the greatness inside each person?
1075
00:51:00,015 --> 00:51:02,100
It's the... the understanding
1076
00:51:02,184 --> 00:51:03,727
that the root of the pursuit of happiness
1077
00:51:03,810 --> 00:51:06,563
is one in which each person
has the dignity
1078
00:51:06,646 --> 00:51:09,816
to be able to earn his or her success
and the potential to make it so.
1079
00:51:10,233 --> 00:51:12,235
[light music]
1080
00:51:16,573 --> 00:51:19,367
[Arthur] This is not to say
that we don't need a strong safety net.
1081
00:51:19,826 --> 00:51:20,994
I believe we do.
1082
00:51:21,453 --> 00:51:24,414
But it needs to be based
on the dignity of work.
1083
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,711
[Nazerine] So nobody's gonna do
the work here for you.
1084
00:51:30,253 --> 00:51:33,340
The staff here are here to guide,
support you.
1085
00:51:34,007 --> 00:51:36,218
We're here to answer and to listen to you.
1086
00:51:36,343 --> 00:51:37,385
And we can.
1087
00:51:37,469 --> 00:51:38,970
But I need to tell you something.
1088
00:51:39,054 --> 00:51:40,472
Most of the answers...
1089
00:51:40,889 --> 00:51:42,140
are within yourself.
1090
00:51:44,893 --> 00:51:47,604
[Arthur] These men in The Doe Fund,
1091
00:51:47,687 --> 00:51:50,315
they're not just
the unloved members of society.
1092
00:51:50,607 --> 00:51:53,276
They're the people that we traditionally
consider to be unlovable.
1093
00:51:53,777 --> 00:51:55,570
They're homeless,
1094
00:51:55,779 --> 00:51:58,657
they're mostly drug and alcohol dependent
or have been.
1095
00:51:59,115 --> 00:52:01,618
It's the test of our moral fiber.
1096
00:52:01,785 --> 00:52:05,038
The Doe Fund does miracles
with these guys.
1097
00:52:06,414 --> 00:52:09,417
[Alexander] The principle of The Doe Fund
is incredibly simple,
1098
00:52:09,501 --> 00:52:11,169
and that is work works,
1099
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,632
and that the inherent value
of all people exists
1100
00:52:15,715 --> 00:52:17,008
and needs to be unlocked.
1101
00:52:17,092 --> 00:52:18,093
And when you unlock it,
1102
00:52:18,176 --> 00:52:20,095
then that person's potential
becomes limitless
1103
00:52:20,178 --> 00:52:21,763
just like every other American.
1104
00:52:22,931 --> 00:52:24,808
[Nazerine]
When guys come in, it's very hard,
1105
00:52:24,891 --> 00:52:27,477
because someone
was so deep down in the hole
1106
00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:30,063
that they're not really trying
to hear anything.
1107
00:52:30,146 --> 00:52:32,399
Self-love has to come first.
1108
00:52:32,649 --> 00:52:35,402
When we begin to love ourselves,
then we can love other people.
1109
00:52:36,736 --> 00:52:38,572
[Craig] We don't care where you came from.
1110
00:52:38,947 --> 00:52:40,866
We treat you like you're somebody,
1111
00:52:41,825 --> 00:52:43,159
and you can do it.
1112
00:52:43,577 --> 00:52:45,370
-Let's start. Let's go.
-Yeah, right here.
1113
00:52:45,453 --> 00:52:46,329
Right here.
1114
00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:49,541
[Arthur] It's really unlike
any homeless shelter you've ever seen.
1115
00:52:50,250 --> 00:52:51,293
When the guys first arrive,
1116
00:52:51,376 --> 00:52:54,796
they spend their first 30 days
doing basic work around the facility.
1117
00:52:55,922 --> 00:52:57,382
[Nazerine] This is an opportunity.
1118
00:52:58,049 --> 00:52:59,509
And you gotta make the most of it.
1119
00:53:00,051 --> 00:53:02,012
And I say that, because I am one of you.
1120
00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:03,680
I'm up from the bottom,
1121
00:53:04,264 --> 00:53:06,266
I'm from one of the seats where you were.
1122
00:53:06,641 --> 00:53:08,476
I just... It was 22 years ago.
1123
00:53:09,728 --> 00:53:11,438
[Nazarene] "Hand up" is what we do here.
1124
00:53:11,771 --> 00:53:15,150
We're going to provide you
a road map, a direction,
1125
00:53:15,567 --> 00:53:17,652
and then, you're gonna do
all the rest of the work.
1126
00:53:17,736 --> 00:53:19,112
We're not gonna do the work for you.
1127
00:53:19,237 --> 00:53:21,239
[tranquil music]
1128
00:53:26,369 --> 00:53:27,829
Let's go. You should be outside already.
1129
00:53:27,913 --> 00:53:29,581
-You know, ten-two.
-[man 7] Gotta get one back.
1130
00:53:29,664 --> 00:53:30,624
Got the paperwork in here.
1131
00:53:30,707 --> 00:53:32,667
You're telling me,
you got to find that dispatch.
1132
00:53:32,751 --> 00:53:34,044
He's outside already.
1133
00:53:35,086 --> 00:53:36,129
It's good to go.
1134
00:53:37,172 --> 00:53:40,592
[Craig] What we do on our program
is all the men you see in blue,
1135
00:53:41,009 --> 00:53:43,553
they go out, clean the streets
seven days a week.
1136
00:53:43,637 --> 00:53:46,014
Rain, sleet, snow, or shine.
1137
00:53:46,932 --> 00:53:48,183
Let's go here. Let's go!
1138
00:53:48,558 --> 00:53:50,310
[man 8] Make sure your uniforms is intact.
1139
00:53:50,393 --> 00:53:51,895
[man 9] Come on, as a matter of fact...
1140
00:53:51,978 --> 00:53:53,897
[man 8]
Project "Come Clean", four teams.
1141
00:53:54,856 --> 00:53:59,194
We clean 150 to 175 miles of street daily.
1142
00:54:03,114 --> 00:54:04,574
[Maury] You ask yourself,
1143
00:54:04,658 --> 00:54:06,618
"How did my life...
1144
00:54:07,285 --> 00:54:09,579
get the way it did that...
1145
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:11,289
I'm homeless?"
1146
00:54:12,707 --> 00:54:15,126
[sighs]
[Maury] Why... Why me?
1147
00:54:16,836 --> 00:54:21,633
I had to look at myself
and tell myself that I still matter.
1148
00:54:22,217 --> 00:54:24,970
I'm somebody, and I can make it.
1149
00:54:26,179 --> 00:54:28,139
You stay on the sidewalk. I got the curve.
1150
00:54:29,182 --> 00:54:31,101
[indistinct dialogue]
1151
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:33,561
[calm music]
1152
00:54:34,896 --> 00:54:36,856
-Are you doing okay?
-I'm doing well.
1153
00:54:37,273 --> 00:54:39,234
[man 10] He looks like
he's doing better than well, man.
1154
00:54:39,317 --> 00:54:40,151
You think so?
1155
00:54:40,235 --> 00:54:41,569
-I know so.
-[laughs]
1156
00:54:41,653 --> 00:54:43,113
You're alive. You're smiling.
1157
00:54:44,364 --> 00:54:45,949
[Maury] My life is going on.
1158
00:54:46,241 --> 00:54:47,659
My life matters.
1159
00:54:47,867 --> 00:54:50,453
I'm somebody. I'm gonna make it.
1160
00:54:50,537 --> 00:54:51,997
I'm not gonna give up.
1161
00:54:55,834 --> 00:54:56,710
[Johnny] Hello, Craig.
1162
00:54:56,793 --> 00:54:58,461
Hey, Johnny. Good morning, Johnny.
1163
00:54:58,545 --> 00:55:01,256
Could I get some numbers
from you out of Brooklyn?
1164
00:55:02,257 --> 00:55:05,719
[Craig] Today, I'm working here
a little over 18 years.
1165
00:55:06,302 --> 00:55:08,596
April 21st, 1997.
1166
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,267
That was the last day I used
any sort of drug, drink, anything.
1167
00:55:12,475 --> 00:55:13,977
So I've been clean since.
1168
00:55:14,936 --> 00:55:15,812
So...
1169
00:55:19,232 --> 00:55:21,359
[Craig] When I got here,
it was the greatest thing
1170
00:55:21,443 --> 00:55:22,944
that ever happened in my life.
1171
00:55:24,487 --> 00:55:25,613
[Craig] Done with your homework?
1172
00:55:25,697 --> 00:55:27,907
-[Craig's son] Yeah.
-[Craig's wife] Yeah, he's finished, yeah.
1173
00:55:27,991 --> 00:55:29,451
[Craig] I'm married today.
1174
00:55:29,534 --> 00:55:32,120
I have a son who looks up to me today.
1175
00:55:32,412 --> 00:55:33,413
-Ready?
-Oh, yeah.
1176
00:55:33,496 --> 00:55:34,914
You want to do the lay-up again.
1177
00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:37,125
Oh, you got faster.
1178
00:55:37,375 --> 00:55:40,545
Having a child in my life.
Having my wife in my life.
1179
00:55:41,254 --> 00:55:42,672
-[Craig's wife] Oh, yeah.
-What was that?
1180
00:55:42,756 --> 00:55:43,923
That's right, Z.
1181
00:55:44,007 --> 00:55:45,091
Three points.
1182
00:55:46,593 --> 00:55:47,886
Wow, it's deep.
1183
00:55:49,012 --> 00:55:51,014
Just talking about it,
I get, like, emotional.
1184
00:55:51,222 --> 00:55:53,433
-[Craig] Ah, you wanna hit the swing?
-[Craig's son] Yeah, yeah.
1185
00:55:53,516 --> 00:55:54,517
All right. Come on.
1186
00:55:57,562 --> 00:56:00,482
[Craig]I had to earn
to become who I am today.
1187
00:56:01,441 --> 00:56:03,276
You know what I'm saying? I worked hard.
1188
00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:05,111
I continue to work hard,
1189
00:56:05,487 --> 00:56:08,281
because I want to earn more.
1190
00:56:08,782 --> 00:56:10,784
And I think it means
a lot more than just...
1191
00:56:11,534 --> 00:56:13,453
a job or you're getting a paycheck.
1192
00:56:13,787 --> 00:56:15,789
[calm music]
1193
00:56:18,374 --> 00:56:19,334
[indistinct chatter]
1194
00:56:19,417 --> 00:56:22,045
[Arthur]
If you earn it and you achieve it,
1195
00:56:22,128 --> 00:56:23,922
and it's not given to you,
1196
00:56:24,005 --> 00:56:27,592
but you believe it is something
that's actually come from your own merit
1197
00:56:27,675 --> 00:56:29,677
and hard work and personal responsibility,
1198
00:56:30,053 --> 00:56:32,138
that will be the source
of your satisfaction.
1199
00:56:32,222 --> 00:56:33,056
Truly,
1200
00:56:33,139 --> 00:56:36,518
earned success is one of the great secrets
of pursuit of happiness.
1201
00:56:36,684 --> 00:56:38,269
[Gino] You... and then go
all the way through.
1202
00:56:38,353 --> 00:56:39,562
Right up to there.
1203
00:56:39,646 --> 00:56:40,980
Then you go this way.
1204
00:56:41,272 --> 00:56:42,524
You work in the kitchen,
1205
00:56:42,607 --> 00:56:45,110
the first job you're gonna do
is prepping vegetables.
1206
00:56:45,568 --> 00:56:48,279
You're gonna have to stand
on your, on your feet all day.
1207
00:56:48,738 --> 00:56:50,365
[Gino] A lot of the guys we've got now,
1208
00:56:50,448 --> 00:56:51,282
they're young men.
1209
00:56:51,366 --> 00:56:53,159
They've been in the foster system.
1210
00:56:53,368 --> 00:56:55,078
They... No one ever cared about 'em.
1211
00:56:55,161 --> 00:56:57,122
No one ever said,
"Listen, you can't do that."
1212
00:56:57,455 --> 00:56:59,582
It's... "If you want a better life,
you gotta work."
1213
00:57:00,166 --> 00:57:01,000
And also, I...
1214
00:57:01,084 --> 00:57:03,002
-Button up your thing, all right?
-[man 11] Oh. My bad.
1215
00:57:03,086 --> 00:57:04,587
Yeah, I mean, you gotta look professional.
1216
00:57:04,671 --> 00:57:06,089
-All right? It's not a disco.
-All right.
1217
00:57:06,172 --> 00:57:07,590
-Okay.
-Okay? Come on.
1218
00:57:08,258 --> 00:57:11,594
[Gino] I have many guys
who transformed their lives.
1219
00:57:11,928 --> 00:57:13,888
I have a young man, Angel Lopez.
1220
00:57:14,472 --> 00:57:17,016
Had no schooling, no work history,
1221
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:19,477
and now, he's an integral part
of our kitchen.
1222
00:57:21,563 --> 00:57:22,605
[Angel] Well, to me...
1223
00:57:23,231 --> 00:57:25,150
It's not... this is not a job for me.
1224
00:57:25,233 --> 00:57:26,901
It's like, uh... school.
1225
00:57:26,985 --> 00:57:28,862
Here, I'm learning
something new every day.
1226
00:57:29,779 --> 00:57:31,281
[Angel] And I take notes down.
1227
00:57:31,656 --> 00:57:32,866
When no one's around
1228
00:57:32,949 --> 00:57:34,951
or the day is slow, I'm practicing.
1229
00:57:37,704 --> 00:57:38,830
-Now?
-Now place the cake
1230
00:57:38,913 --> 00:57:41,082
right in the center here. Nice.
1231
00:57:42,625 --> 00:57:43,710
[Angel] Whoo.
1232
00:57:43,793 --> 00:57:45,753
It feels good to be doing
something positive.
1233
00:57:46,379 --> 00:57:47,881
Something fun, you know what I mean.
1234
00:57:48,548 --> 00:57:50,633
It's better than being out there
running in the streets.
1235
00:57:51,801 --> 00:57:53,386
I don't have to worry about nobody...
1236
00:57:54,179 --> 00:57:56,973
trying to hurt me or nothing like that.
You know what I mean?
1237
00:57:57,682 --> 00:57:59,017
[instructor] Put your hand underneath.
1238
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:01,227
And that's a complete job.
1239
00:58:02,187 --> 00:58:03,062
Beautiful.
1240
00:58:03,354 --> 00:58:05,356
[light music]
1241
00:58:17,327 --> 00:58:19,662
I'm looking nice today, right, boy?
1242
00:58:19,787 --> 00:58:20,747
-Yeah.
-Looking nice so far.
1243
00:58:20,830 --> 00:58:21,873
Me, too. Yeah?
1244
00:58:23,082 --> 00:58:24,542
[Angel] Yeah, you know what's crazy?
1245
00:58:24,626 --> 00:58:25,627
I used to, uh...
1246
00:58:27,420 --> 00:58:28,630
clean the streets over here.
1247
00:58:28,713 --> 00:58:30,131
-Oh, really?
-[Angel] Yeah.
1248
00:58:30,215 --> 00:58:31,216
[boy 3] Oh, you don't.
1249
00:58:31,299 --> 00:58:33,426
[Angel] That's how you...
That's how you start the program.
1250
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:34,469
Being in the streets.
1251
00:58:35,178 --> 00:58:37,138
What keeps me motivated is these guys.
1252
00:58:38,181 --> 00:58:39,349
Yeah. And, I say, you know what?
1253
00:58:39,432 --> 00:58:40,475
When I get older,
1254
00:58:41,309 --> 00:58:43,478
I don't want to be in a home by myself
when I get older.
1255
00:58:43,895 --> 00:58:45,813
Hey, buddy, can you cross the street now?
1256
00:58:46,022 --> 00:58:47,440
Does the stop sign say "cross"?
1257
00:58:47,899 --> 00:58:49,943
-You know how to pitch, right?
-There's no cars coming.
1258
00:58:50,026 --> 00:58:52,320
But, so what? You still got to be safe.
Right or wrong?
1259
00:58:53,655 --> 00:58:55,073
-[boy 3] We can go now.
-You see, Mile?
1260
00:58:55,156 --> 00:58:56,324
-[Angel] Can we go now?
-Yeah.
1261
00:58:56,491 --> 00:58:57,450
Let's go.
1262
00:58:58,952 --> 00:59:00,078
[Angel] It's something we love.
1263
00:59:00,161 --> 00:59:01,788
I'm gonna teach him
how to start baking, right?
1264
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:04,832
The only thing I know how to cook
is French toast.
1265
00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:07,168
[Angel] See, I taught him
how to cook French toast.
1266
00:59:10,129 --> 00:59:11,965
Let's get back to this graduation.
1267
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:16,177
[indistinct chatter]
1268
00:59:18,763 --> 00:59:21,307
Some of my same old friends
from my neighborhood...
1269
00:59:22,058 --> 00:59:25,144
walked by me one day while I was cleaning,
and kicked my bucket,
1270
00:59:25,937 --> 00:59:27,230
and laughed at my uniform.
1271
00:59:28,731 --> 00:59:30,066
[Angel] But I just kept thinking...
1272
00:59:31,025 --> 00:59:32,318
"I'm a working man.
1273
00:59:33,444 --> 00:59:34,988
And I'm not going back to prison."
1274
00:59:35,613 --> 00:59:38,241
I wanted to get in the kitchen,
into Gino's house.
1275
00:59:39,033 --> 00:59:41,703
Because in the kitchen, there's love.
1276
00:59:42,453 --> 00:59:43,413
In the kitchen,
1277
00:59:43,705 --> 00:59:45,873
you can do something good all day.
1278
00:59:46,374 --> 00:59:47,417
Every day.
1279
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:50,795
And I knew that bucket
was gonna get me there.
1280
00:59:51,337 --> 00:59:54,424
So thank you, everyone,
for my first graduation.
1281
00:59:55,508 --> 00:59:57,176
Thank you, for my future.
1282
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:58,511
Good night.
1283
00:59:58,595 --> 01:00:01,014
[crowd clapping, cheering]
1284
01:00:09,731 --> 01:00:11,733
[indistinct chatter]
1285
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:14,902
[light music]
1286
01:00:16,112 --> 01:00:20,491
[Arthur] What we have to find is the way
that people can earn their success.
1287
01:00:21,492 --> 01:00:23,369
The system of opportunity
and free enterprise
1288
01:00:23,453 --> 01:00:24,912
that's lifted so many people up
1289
01:00:25,496 --> 01:00:27,874
is fundamentally
an aspirationally-based system,
1290
01:00:27,957 --> 01:00:29,334
not a greed-based system.
1291
01:00:29,417 --> 01:00:30,752
Greed is not the basis of capitalism.
1292
01:00:30,835 --> 01:00:33,212
Anybody who tells you that is lying to you
1293
01:00:33,296 --> 01:00:35,673
or doesn't understand capitalism.
1294
01:00:36,341 --> 01:00:38,384
[Arthur]
People bring selfishness and greed.
1295
01:00:39,385 --> 01:00:43,014
You can't fix the human heart
by getting rid of capitalism.
1296
01:00:43,765 --> 01:00:46,934
But capitalism alone
can't fix society, either.
1297
01:00:47,602 --> 01:00:49,354
Morals have to come first.
1298
01:00:50,063 --> 01:00:52,815
Morals are based on the sense
of social solidarity.
1299
01:00:52,899 --> 01:00:56,986
And that comes from a sense that we,
are in fact, our brother's keeper.
1300
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,613
That comes from love.
1301
01:00:59,072 --> 01:01:00,740
That comes from a sense that...
1302
01:01:00,823 --> 01:01:04,160
that we should have love
for each other all the time.
1303
01:01:04,452 --> 01:01:06,954
If everything works, if anything works,
1304
01:01:07,038 --> 01:01:10,375
it's because we're doing what we do
on the basis of love in our lives.
1305
01:01:10,917 --> 01:01:12,669
[birds chirping]
1306
01:01:18,299 --> 01:01:21,177
This... this road is made
for one and a quarter cars.
1307
01:01:21,260 --> 01:01:22,470
-So...
-[chuckles]
1308
01:01:22,553 --> 01:01:25,473
...the cars are coming up here
around blind corners passing.
1309
01:01:26,099 --> 01:01:27,433
[Arthur] These guys are professionals.
1310
01:01:27,517 --> 01:01:30,478
But then you notice
that there's a burned-out hole of a car,
1311
01:01:30,561 --> 01:01:32,855
off the side all the way down
to the bottom of the cliff.
1312
01:01:32,939 --> 01:01:36,317
And you think,
"Yeah, it's good until it's not."
1313
01:01:37,276 --> 01:01:38,695
[car horn honks]
1314
01:01:43,658 --> 01:01:47,245
[Arthur] We're on a windy road
in the Himalayan foothills in India.
1315
01:01:47,328 --> 01:01:49,038
We're going to Dharamsala,
1316
01:01:49,122 --> 01:01:51,332
which is the home of His Holiness,
the Dalai Lama.
1317
01:01:52,625 --> 01:01:55,586
He's a... a warrior for human welfare.
1318
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,757
He's a believer in the potential
and dignity of every single person.
1319
01:02:00,550 --> 01:02:03,386
Free enterprise is about compassion
and justice at its best.
1320
01:02:04,178 --> 01:02:05,179
So, therefore,
1321
01:02:05,638 --> 01:02:06,931
this is our stuff, too.
1322
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,394
I had this theory when I was a kid.
1323
01:02:12,228 --> 01:02:13,187
That...
1324
01:02:13,688 --> 01:02:15,940
you get to invent your whole life.
1325
01:02:16,274 --> 01:02:19,026
You choose your vocation.
You choose your faith.
1326
01:02:19,110 --> 01:02:22,155
You choose it once.
I thought about it, and...
1327
01:02:22,905 --> 01:02:24,031
I read a lot.
1328
01:02:24,115 --> 01:02:28,077
And, uh, I had a mystical experience
at the shrine of Guadalupe in Mexico
1329
01:02:28,286 --> 01:02:31,247
when I was 15, revealed to me
that I was Catholic.
1330
01:02:32,540 --> 01:02:34,041
[Arthur] For the longest time, I wondered,
1331
01:02:34,834 --> 01:02:35,960
"What if I never feel it?"
1332
01:02:36,043 --> 01:02:38,421
Then I realized, it doesn't matter.
1333
01:02:40,214 --> 01:02:43,843
It's a question of your commitment
to a constant search for truth
1334
01:02:43,926 --> 01:02:45,011
notwithstanding what you feel.
1335
01:02:45,094 --> 01:02:47,722
If you're not willing to practice
what you believe,
1336
01:02:47,847 --> 01:02:49,432
well, you're never gonna do anything.
1337
01:02:49,515 --> 01:02:51,392
And you're never actually
going to find any truth.
1338
01:02:58,524 --> 01:02:59,984
[engine revving]
1339
01:03:02,737 --> 01:03:04,739
[tranquil music]
1340
01:03:05,198 --> 01:03:08,659
[Arthur] I think that the suspicion
that people have about capitalism
1341
01:03:08,993 --> 01:03:11,704
comes, because they think people like me
1342
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:14,123
don't believe in morals,
1343
01:03:14,207 --> 01:03:16,334
and they don't believe
in any regulation at all.
1344
01:03:16,417 --> 01:03:17,460
That's not true.
1345
01:03:21,214 --> 01:03:22,757
We want to treat people right.
1346
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,177
We want to lift people up,
and that's what matters the most.
1347
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:29,388
Once we get that straight,
then the markets can make that better.
1348
01:03:29,472 --> 01:03:31,307
But if we forget that first step,
1349
01:03:31,724 --> 01:03:32,892
everything will be ruined.
1350
01:03:33,226 --> 01:03:35,228
[calm music]
1351
01:03:38,981 --> 01:03:40,608
[Geshe] The biggest problem is, uh...
1352
01:03:41,025 --> 01:03:43,486
having no sensitivity
to the needs of others.
1353
01:03:43,986 --> 01:03:46,197
Abundance is a good thing,
so long as you...
1354
01:03:46,614 --> 01:03:49,826
uh, use it for others,
not only just for yourself.
1355
01:03:50,701 --> 01:03:52,078
[Arthur] That's what greed really is.
1356
01:03:52,161 --> 01:03:55,164
It's putting yourself
always ahead of other people.
1357
01:03:57,208 --> 01:04:00,086
I often reflect on the verse
in the New Testament
1358
01:04:00,169 --> 01:04:02,380
that's most often misquoted.
1359
01:04:02,672 --> 01:04:04,423
"Money is the root of all evil."
1360
01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:06,300
It's a misquote of Saint Paul.
1361
01:04:06,509 --> 01:04:08,052
Here's the real scripture.
1362
01:04:08,386 --> 01:04:11,013
"For the love of money
is the root of all evil."
1363
01:04:11,889 --> 01:04:15,393
And, and this really illuminates
the problem of materialism.
1364
01:04:16,477 --> 01:04:19,272
It's not the existence of material things.
1365
01:04:19,355 --> 01:04:20,648
It's not the abundance around us.
1366
01:04:20,731 --> 01:04:21,566
That's great.
1367
01:04:21,649 --> 01:04:22,650
The problem is...
1368
01:04:23,317 --> 01:04:25,152
not the money, it's the love of money.
1369
01:04:26,195 --> 01:04:27,738
It's not the stuff.
1370
01:04:27,822 --> 01:04:28,990
The stuff isn't the problem.
1371
01:04:29,073 --> 01:04:31,284
It's the attachment to the stuff.
1372
01:04:33,578 --> 01:04:36,080
[Hindol] Even the Buddha was a prince.
1373
01:04:37,248 --> 01:04:38,416
They don't remember,
1374
01:04:38,624 --> 01:04:40,668
or often, they choose not to remember
1375
01:04:40,751 --> 01:04:42,628
that he began as a prince.
1376
01:04:43,462 --> 01:04:45,840
That the Buddha rose from abundance,
1377
01:04:46,215 --> 01:04:47,341
to detachment.
1378
01:04:48,259 --> 01:04:50,261
[light music]
1379
01:04:58,269 --> 01:05:02,273
Originally I, I have this sort
of an impression of business people.
1380
01:05:02,815 --> 01:05:05,234
They are only concerned
about profit, profit, profit.
1381
01:05:05,526 --> 01:05:07,236
And including exploitation.
1382
01:05:07,570 --> 01:05:11,324
Also, you see, it brought a lot of sorrow,
education, new thinking.
1383
01:05:11,741 --> 01:05:13,868
It's a new way of life. Useful.
1384
01:05:14,744 --> 01:05:17,163
Uh, no matter what, what,
what name the capitalism was,
1385
01:05:17,788 --> 01:05:19,624
we have to make friendship
with capitalists.
1386
01:05:19,707 --> 01:05:21,542
[all laughing]
1387
01:05:21,792 --> 01:05:23,794
[Arthur] The Dalai Lama wants
to collaborate with people
1388
01:05:23,878 --> 01:05:25,421
who think in all different ways.
1389
01:05:25,671 --> 01:05:27,506
We have to start by asking...
1390
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:32,345
Uh, "What actually does lead each of us
to lead the best life?"
1391
01:05:33,054 --> 01:05:35,723
[Arthur] When I first started studying
the teachings of the Dalai Lama,
1392
01:05:35,890 --> 01:05:38,100
I learned that Tibetan Buddhists say
1393
01:05:38,184 --> 01:05:40,603
that there are four secrets
to a happy life.
1394
01:05:41,938 --> 01:05:43,522
The first two are really intuitive.
1395
01:05:44,357 --> 01:05:46,108
Enlightenment and spirituality.
1396
01:05:46,859 --> 01:05:47,902
That's what we should expect.
1397
01:05:47,985 --> 01:05:53,532
The last two secrets to a happy life,
are worldly satisfaction and wealth.
1398
01:05:53,950 --> 01:05:56,452
We're surprised by worldly satisfaction
and wealth.
1399
01:05:56,535 --> 01:05:58,037
First, worldly satisfaction.
1400
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,874
His Holiness tells us
that we have to enjoy our lives.
1401
01:06:02,124 --> 01:06:04,418
And that comes from serving others.
1402
01:06:05,044 --> 01:06:07,421
The last is probably the most surprising
1403
01:06:07,505 --> 01:06:10,549
when his Holiness said that one
of the pillars of a happy life is...
1404
01:06:10,633 --> 01:06:11,717
is wealth.
1405
01:06:12,051 --> 01:06:14,220
And I thought, "How can this be possible?"
1406
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,055
Is this materialism?
1407
01:06:16,138 --> 01:06:19,517
Is this, uh, a sense that money
is just a good thing?
1408
01:06:20,184 --> 01:06:21,310
I didn't believe it.
1409
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:23,396
But then, a year or so later,
1410
01:06:23,479 --> 01:06:25,648
I realized that I needed to understand
1411
01:06:25,731 --> 01:06:28,526
what you meant by
"What it is to be wealthy?"
1412
01:06:29,110 --> 01:06:31,070
What is a wealthy person?
1413
01:06:32,196 --> 01:06:35,866
Well, recently, I was spending time
with a friend of mine
1414
01:06:35,950 --> 01:06:37,660
who is an entrepreneur in Dharavi.
1415
01:06:37,743 --> 01:06:39,996
And his name is Krishna Pujari.
1416
01:06:40,496 --> 01:06:42,790
[Arthur] Krishna and I were
walking around Dharavi
1417
01:06:43,124 --> 01:06:44,750
for, for several hours.
1418
01:06:45,334 --> 01:06:47,336
And he told me something very interesting.
1419
01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:50,673
Krishna told me that he was wealthy.
1420
01:06:51,382 --> 01:06:53,676
And I looked at him
by my American standards
1421
01:06:53,759 --> 01:06:56,303
and I said, "How can he say he's wealthy?
1422
01:06:56,804 --> 01:06:58,431
He's poor by American standards.
1423
01:06:58,514 --> 01:07:00,766
I said, "What do you mean
that you're wealthy?"
1424
01:07:00,933 --> 01:07:04,562
And he said, "I'm wealthy
because I've been able to do three things.
1425
01:07:05,312 --> 01:07:06,522
Build something,
1426
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:08,733
earn my living,
1427
01:07:09,275 --> 01:07:10,901
-and serve other people."
-[chuckles]
1428
01:07:11,193 --> 01:07:13,070
"And that's what it means to be wealthy."
1429
01:07:13,154 --> 01:07:16,991
And that's when I understood, finally,
is what His Holiness meant
1430
01:07:17,199 --> 01:07:20,578
for the pillar of a happiest life,
which is wealth.
1431
01:07:21,537 --> 01:07:23,706
You should make yourself
1432
01:07:24,081 --> 01:07:27,918
something useful among
the seven billion human beings.
1433
01:07:28,294 --> 01:07:33,466
That's the real source
of self-dignity and self-respect, yeah?
1434
01:07:35,301 --> 01:07:38,929
You remain isolated
from society and jobless.
1435
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:41,432
Then, actually, you're wasting.
1436
01:07:41,891 --> 01:07:42,933
Waste of... waste of life.
1437
01:07:43,100 --> 01:07:45,102
[calm music]
1438
01:07:46,228 --> 01:07:48,856
[Dalai Lama] Everyone wants a happy life.
1439
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:50,691
They do not want suffering.
1440
01:07:51,108 --> 01:07:52,943
Yet, a lot of suffering.
1441
01:07:53,527 --> 01:07:54,945
Our own peace.
1442
01:07:56,530 --> 01:07:58,741
This place is filled with people
who are looking for truth.
1443
01:07:58,824 --> 01:08:00,034
They were looking for happiness.
1444
01:08:00,451 --> 01:08:02,036
[Arthur]
And that's what I'm looking for, too.
1445
01:08:02,119 --> 01:08:03,454
That's what everybody's looking for.
1446
01:08:05,873 --> 01:08:07,374
Money cannot provide...
1447
01:08:07,792 --> 01:08:08,834
uh, love.
1448
01:08:09,585 --> 01:08:10,753
We need love.
1449
01:08:11,170 --> 01:08:13,881
You are showing genuine interest,
1450
01:08:14,173 --> 01:08:15,382
not only in money matter,
1451
01:08:15,716 --> 01:08:17,676
but more wider perspective
1452
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,512
I really, very much appreciate.
1453
01:08:19,970 --> 01:08:21,722
-[Dalai Lama] Thank you.
-Thank you, Your Holiness.
1454
01:08:22,306 --> 01:08:24,725
[Dalai Lama]
Each of us have the ability.
1455
01:08:25,601 --> 01:08:26,644
Dream something.
1456
01:08:27,019 --> 01:08:28,270
Change the world.
1457
01:08:28,854 --> 01:08:29,897
Not from profit...
1458
01:08:30,314 --> 01:08:31,565
from individual.
1459
01:08:37,071 --> 01:08:39,073
[calm music]
1460
01:08:47,790 --> 01:08:50,543
[Arthur] I remember looking at it
when I worked here.
1461
01:08:51,460 --> 01:08:52,753
I remember looking up and thinking,
1462
01:08:52,837 --> 01:08:54,672
"Man, this is the most amazing thing
I've ever seen."
1463
01:08:54,964 --> 01:08:57,091
Every tile, every bit of mosaic.
1464
01:09:00,386 --> 01:09:02,555
Look at the stained glass,
modernist thing.
1465
01:09:02,638 --> 01:09:03,722
It's unbelievable.
1466
01:09:05,266 --> 01:09:06,684
All I remember thinking was,
1467
01:09:06,934 --> 01:09:08,769
"I hope I don't screw up this concert."
1468
01:09:10,187 --> 01:09:11,897
[Arthur] I'm a really lucky person.
1469
01:09:12,815 --> 01:09:14,692
I'm the luckiest guy I know, actually.
1470
01:09:15,609 --> 01:09:18,070
I've had the opportunity
to live in different places,
1471
01:09:18,654 --> 01:09:20,489
to know all different kinds of people.
1472
01:09:21,740 --> 01:09:23,200
All throughout my life,
1473
01:09:23,284 --> 01:09:25,286
I've met people
in different circumstances,
1474
01:09:25,369 --> 01:09:26,787
who want to come to America,
1475
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:30,082
because the idea of America
touches their hearts.
1476
01:09:31,750 --> 01:09:33,669
I was born in Spokane, Washington.
1477
01:09:34,336 --> 01:09:35,337
But in truth,
1478
01:09:35,671 --> 01:09:37,506
I'm an immigrant to America, too.
1479
01:09:39,091 --> 01:09:41,510
[Arthur] What you got there?
There's no mouthpiece in that either.
1480
01:09:41,594 --> 01:09:42,970
I do, I have a mouthpiece.
1481
01:09:43,345 --> 01:09:44,555
Don't worry about it.
1482
01:09:46,056 --> 01:09:47,308
Where did you get this?
1483
01:09:49,476 --> 01:09:51,145
This is actually a decent instrument.
1484
01:09:51,812 --> 01:09:52,688
[Ester] It is.
1485
01:09:55,065 --> 01:09:56,984
[chuckles]
I haven't played a note in 20 years.
1486
01:09:57,610 --> 01:09:59,737
-[Arthur] What are you doing?
-Here we go.
1487
01:09:59,820 --> 01:10:01,030
[laughs]
1488
01:10:01,697 --> 01:10:03,157
[rattling]
1489
01:10:08,162 --> 01:10:10,164
[playing French horn]
1490
01:10:22,509 --> 01:10:24,261
[Arthur] I could have lived
in Barcelona forever.
1491
01:10:24,929 --> 01:10:27,932
But she said,
"No, I wanna live in the States.
1492
01:10:28,015 --> 01:10:29,600
I wanna see what it's like."
1493
01:10:30,517 --> 01:10:32,019
When we got there, she said,
1494
01:10:32,686 --> 01:10:34,688
"This is a country for dreamers,
1495
01:10:35,105 --> 01:10:37,024
for people who want to build their lives."
1496
01:10:38,567 --> 01:10:40,861
That had such a huge impact on me.
1497
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,072
I mean, I was an immigrant
to my own country.
1498
01:10:43,155 --> 01:10:45,366
And I... I felt like I'd never
seen my own country before.
1499
01:10:45,449 --> 01:10:48,369
I'd come into my own country, um...
1500
01:10:48,827 --> 01:10:50,162
not knowing what to expect.
1501
01:10:50,287 --> 01:10:53,123
And that's what we found, opportunity.
1502
01:10:53,499 --> 01:10:55,626
[French horn playing]
1503
01:11:01,966 --> 01:11:03,384
[playing stops]
1504
01:11:07,096 --> 01:11:09,098
[Ester clapping]
1505
01:11:12,309 --> 01:11:13,394
[Arthur] Here's the thing.
1506
01:11:13,727 --> 01:11:15,479
I'm actually a progressive.
1507
01:11:17,273 --> 01:11:23,612
I have these traditionally conservative
means to get universal ends.
1508
01:11:23,862 --> 01:11:25,864
[calm music]
1509
01:11:26,657 --> 01:11:29,118
[Arthur] Everybody remembers the words
1510
01:11:29,368 --> 01:11:32,037
to the second paragraph
of the Declaration of Independence.
1511
01:11:32,705 --> 01:11:34,915
About holding certain truths.
1512
01:11:35,416 --> 01:11:37,334
That these truths include life,
1513
01:11:37,793 --> 01:11:38,752
liberty,
1514
01:11:39,336 --> 01:11:41,630
and the pursuit of happiness.
1515
01:11:42,256 --> 01:11:44,508
Why did they talk about happiness?
It's interesting.
1516
01:11:44,591 --> 01:11:47,052
You go back and you, you read
the words of Thomas Jefferson.
1517
01:11:47,136 --> 01:11:48,387
He was asked later,
1518
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:50,764
"Why did you write
about the pursuit of happiness?"
1519
01:11:50,848 --> 01:11:55,019
And he said that he was simply
taking dictation from the American mind.
1520
01:11:57,521 --> 01:11:58,439
Really what he was doing
1521
01:11:58,522 --> 01:12:00,607
is taking dictation
from the American heart.
1522
01:12:01,442 --> 01:12:05,821
Because this is the ethos
on which the United States was built.
1523
01:12:07,364 --> 01:12:08,949
[Arthur] George Washington was a rich guy.
1524
01:12:09,325 --> 01:12:11,035
Ben Franklin had a lot of dough.
1525
01:12:11,535 --> 01:12:13,746
Those guys were writing these documents,
1526
01:12:13,829 --> 01:12:16,790
not for them
and their landed gentry friends.
1527
01:12:17,583 --> 01:12:20,627
They were writing it
for the riffraff all around them.
1528
01:12:21,170 --> 01:12:23,422
If you're gonna understand
the American experience
1529
01:12:23,505 --> 01:12:26,300
as Thomas Jefferson was talking about it,
1530
01:12:26,383 --> 01:12:28,469
the experience written
on the American Heart,
1531
01:12:29,094 --> 01:12:31,555
the experience
my great-grandparents were seeking,
1532
01:12:32,306 --> 01:12:34,099
that my own wife was seeking.
1533
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:36,977
Like people all over the world today,
1534
01:12:37,061 --> 01:12:39,938
who are Americans in their hearts
whether they're here or not,
1535
01:12:40,856 --> 01:12:43,692
you really have to understand
the pursuit of happiness.
1536
01:12:44,109 --> 01:12:46,612
That's not, "How do we make sure
everybody's happy?"
1537
01:12:46,695 --> 01:12:50,699
It's, "How can we pursue
our happiness as active."
1538
01:12:51,158 --> 01:12:53,369
Well, you know,
happiness is a funny thing.
1539
01:12:53,452 --> 01:12:56,872
Happiness is, uh,
is not something you obtain.
1540
01:12:57,081 --> 01:12:59,083
Happiness for me, is to...
1541
01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:01,502
provide happiness to other people.
1542
01:13:01,585 --> 01:13:04,421
Being able to do
what I need to do for my son.
1543
01:13:05,130 --> 01:13:07,216
[in Hindi]
If my kids get educated and do well,
1544
01:13:07,299 --> 01:13:08,759
that will make me happy.
1545
01:13:11,428 --> 01:13:15,015
[Arthur] I'm convinced
that we can lift up the world together.
1546
01:13:15,724 --> 01:13:19,103
We can pull the next
two billion people out of poverty.
1547
01:13:19,978 --> 01:13:24,233
We can give people around the world
the freedom to pursue their happiness.
1548
01:13:24,566 --> 01:13:27,486
And in the process,
come together as a country.
1549
01:13:29,113 --> 01:13:31,198
That's what I plan to do
for the rest of my life.
1550
01:13:32,282 --> 01:13:34,410
To be a warrior for human dignity
1551
01:13:34,660 --> 01:13:36,370
and potential for all people.
1552
01:13:38,622 --> 01:13:41,583
I want America to live up
to its true promise,
1553
01:13:42,084 --> 01:13:45,045
as a country of ambitious riffraff.
1554
01:13:45,462 --> 01:13:47,131
Pursuing happiness...
1555
01:13:47,756 --> 01:13:50,175
building something good and meaningful.
1556
01:13:50,717 --> 01:13:52,219
Earning our success...
1557
01:13:52,970 --> 01:13:54,263
and serving each other.
1558
01:14:02,813 --> 01:14:04,815
[tranquil music]
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