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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:09,096 --> 00:00:13,143 ♪ Odds and ends odds and ends 4 00:00:13,317 --> 00:00:16,494 ♪ Lost time is not found again ♪ 5 00:00:26,678 --> 00:00:30,682 Roy Silver, now he was a character who showed up. 6 00:00:33,381 --> 00:00:34,512 Kind of a... 7 00:00:37,472 --> 00:00:40,605 [CHUCKLES] He's kind of like... How can you put it? 8 00:00:40,779 --> 00:00:46,046 He was kind of like a hustler type on the street, you know, somebody... 9 00:00:47,699 --> 00:00:49,962 You know, trying to make a deal about this 10 00:00:50,137 --> 00:00:52,226 and make a deal about that. He was a fast talker. 11 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,968 Well, I saw him perform all the time. 12 00:00:56,143 --> 00:00:58,188 I hung out with him. 13 00:00:58,362 --> 00:01:02,845 I was the guy. I was his manager. 14 00:01:03,019 --> 00:01:07,328 I mean... So I was there wearing, 15 00:01:07,502 --> 00:01:10,722 at that time, as was my practice, 16 00:01:10,896 --> 00:01:12,420 I was the only one 17 00:01:12,594 --> 00:01:16,685 in the entire Village that wore a suit. 18 00:01:16,859 --> 00:01:21,211 Everyone else was in jeans, etcetera, etcetera. 19 00:01:21,385 --> 00:01:25,346 But I had my little outfit and so forth... 20 00:01:26,651 --> 00:01:29,524 that I wore. So, I saw him all the time. 21 00:01:29,698 --> 00:01:33,093 I mean, we met on a daily basis, 22 00:01:35,051 --> 00:01:37,314 trying to figure out what to do next. 23 00:01:37,488 --> 00:01:42,276 And I was trying to... There was no question. 24 00:01:42,450 --> 00:01:45,279 I was trying to make him a star, 25 00:01:45,453 --> 00:01:50,153 and I knew that he could and would be a star. 26 00:01:51,198 --> 00:01:54,549 In the '60s, it was... It was great. 27 00:01:54,723 --> 00:01:59,162 There was so much talent around at that point, 28 00:01:59,336 --> 00:02:02,600 and in an undiscovered area, 29 00:02:03,123 --> 00:02:04,298 folk music. 30 00:02:04,472 --> 00:02:07,692 My God, who knew from folk music? 31 00:02:07,866 --> 00:02:13,089 I mean, the only person that was alive that any of us knew was Pete Seeger. 32 00:02:13,263 --> 00:02:18,921 No one understood what was happening at that time. 33 00:02:19,095 --> 00:02:22,881 I mean, no one woke up and said, "Oh, my God, it's folk music!" 34 00:02:23,055 --> 00:02:25,014 We were just out there. 35 00:02:25,188 --> 00:02:30,237 I mean, Pete Seeger was God, 36 00:02:30,411 --> 00:02:34,284 and we were just people working and trying to make a buck 37 00:02:34,458 --> 00:02:40,334 and hoping that this would all turn into something fabulous. 38 00:02:40,508 --> 00:02:45,382 And it did. You could smell it, that there was something going on 39 00:02:45,556 --> 00:02:51,823 at that period of time that would do away with the old stuff. 40 00:02:52,607 --> 00:02:54,522 No one ever thought, 41 00:02:54,696 --> 00:02:58,090 no one that I remember at that time period 42 00:02:58,265 --> 00:03:05,359 ever thought that this was one day going to who'd be Bob Dylan. 43 00:03:05,533 --> 00:03:12,148 I remember that he was strange and that I was not going to... 44 00:03:12,322 --> 00:03:15,847 This was not anyone that I was going to have 45 00:03:16,021 --> 00:03:19,895 an easy time communicating with. 46 00:03:20,069 --> 00:03:25,814 This would be... I'd have to pull everything out of him 47 00:03:25,988 --> 00:03:28,643 because he didn't know where he was 48 00:03:28,817 --> 00:03:32,081 or what he was doing, and so forth and so on. 49 00:03:32,255 --> 00:03:36,433 I mean, he was new to the Village. 50 00:03:36,607 --> 00:03:43,310 Gerde's Folk City was the highest his dreams had ever gone to. 51 00:03:45,050 --> 00:03:48,663 So, you know, it was hard to figure out 52 00:03:48,837 --> 00:03:52,057 where we were all going to go with this. 53 00:03:52,232 --> 00:03:57,019 With Bob, I took a piece of paper out of whatever, or I asked someone, 54 00:03:57,193 --> 00:04:01,197 and wrote down that, "I, Bob Dylan, do hereby 55 00:04:01,371 --> 00:04:06,681 "agree to be managed by Roy Silver for 20%." 56 00:04:08,291 --> 00:04:13,078 I forget what the period of time was and so forth. 57 00:04:13,253 --> 00:04:17,909 And Bobby signed it. It was really no big deal. 58 00:04:19,694 --> 00:04:21,304 He was strange. 59 00:04:21,478 --> 00:04:27,005 You were dealing with a guy who had a strange voice, 60 00:04:28,355 --> 00:04:31,880 who had a strange rhythm, 61 00:04:33,490 --> 00:04:40,280 who was playing a guitar in a strange, humdrum fashion. 62 00:04:40,454 --> 00:04:42,891 I mean, that was really the response. 63 00:04:43,065 --> 00:04:47,722 No one leaped up from their seat at the end of the show 64 00:04:47,896 --> 00:04:52,030 and said, "My God, the Messiah has come." 65 00:04:52,204 --> 00:04:54,119 No one. I mean, it was hard. 66 00:04:54,294 --> 00:04:57,645 He went up. He did a show. He came off. He didn't do a show. 67 00:04:57,819 --> 00:05:01,301 No one ever accused Bob of being a great performer. 68 00:05:02,171 --> 00:05:04,434 I mean, at any time. 69 00:05:04,608 --> 00:05:10,048 Bob came running up to see me to play a new song for me. 70 00:05:11,180 --> 00:05:14,270 So I said okay, and I sat there, 71 00:05:14,444 --> 00:05:17,665 and Bob whipped out his rusty guitar 72 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,799 and he played this song for me and I said, 73 00:05:21,973 --> 00:05:25,760 "This is the greatest song I've ever heard." 74 00:05:25,934 --> 00:05:29,459 And he was thrilled that I said to him 75 00:05:29,633 --> 00:05:31,418 that this was a great song, and I said, 76 00:05:31,592 --> 00:05:33,681 "We have to record it immediately 77 00:05:33,855 --> 00:05:37,685 "because I know a place where this should go." 78 00:05:37,859 --> 00:05:39,861 "I'm going to call Artie Mogull and everything, 79 00:05:40,035 --> 00:05:43,081 "but first, we've got to go in and record it." 80 00:05:43,255 --> 00:05:46,476 And my memory tells me that we went... 81 00:05:46,650 --> 00:05:51,307 I went downstairs at Third Avenue, at the place that we were at. 82 00:05:51,481 --> 00:05:55,964 It was a Chinese laundry, and I borrowed $50, 83 00:05:56,138 --> 00:05:59,576 'cause no one had any money then. 84 00:05:59,750 --> 00:06:01,361 I borrowed $50 85 00:06:01,535 --> 00:06:05,321 so that I could go to 1619 Broadway, 86 00:06:05,495 --> 00:06:10,457 or wherever it was, to make a record. 87 00:06:10,631 --> 00:06:12,502 That's how we spoke in those days. 88 00:06:12,676 --> 00:06:15,984 We were going to make an acetate. 89 00:06:16,158 --> 00:06:20,467 Bob would sing and play simultaneously, 90 00:06:20,641 --> 00:06:22,686 and we would run and record it. 91 00:06:22,860 --> 00:06:24,471 And I did that, 92 00:06:24,645 --> 00:06:29,563 and then I sent him home because he was boring to be with 93 00:06:29,737 --> 00:06:33,001 and I didn't want to hang out anymore with him. 94 00:06:33,175 --> 00:06:35,960 And then I went over to... 95 00:06:37,788 --> 00:06:40,356 the publishing company, Witmark. 96 00:06:40,530 --> 00:06:45,361 It was one of those songs that you knew, 97 00:06:45,535 --> 00:06:48,016 if you were in the music business, 98 00:06:48,190 --> 00:06:52,760 you knew that a gold mine had just been discovered. 99 00:06:52,934 --> 00:06:57,329 We just arbitrarily decided that we would do it 100 00:06:57,504 --> 00:07:00,071 with Peter, Paul and Mary. 101 00:07:00,245 --> 00:07:02,204 Came out three weeks later, 102 00:07:02,378 --> 00:07:05,033 a little song called Blowin' in the Wind, 103 00:07:06,774 --> 00:07:11,735 went on to absolutely establish who Bob was 104 00:07:11,909 --> 00:07:17,828 and what his place was in the world, and deservedly so. 105 00:07:18,002 --> 00:07:22,920 I mean it was, to this day... I mean, I can listen to it. 106 00:07:23,094 --> 00:07:27,447 I just heard it the other day on someone and it just... 107 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:32,930 Blowin' in the Wind. I mean, it brings tears to your eyes. 108 00:07:34,845 --> 00:07:39,937 How he could think of all of that, how he made that all work. 109 00:07:40,111 --> 00:07:46,596 This nice little Jewish kid, with nice little Jewish parents, 110 00:07:46,770 --> 00:07:50,557 who had changed his name, which was a big enough shanda, 111 00:07:50,731 --> 00:07:52,559 that means "disgrace," 112 00:07:52,733 --> 00:07:56,171 at that time period, you know. 113 00:07:56,345 --> 00:07:58,129 And then it was onward and upward. 114 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:10,533 ♪ How many roads must a man walk down 115 00:08:10,707 --> 00:08:14,058 ♪ Before you call him a man? 116 00:08:15,843 --> 00:08:20,412 ♪ How many seas must the white dove sail 117 00:08:20,587 --> 00:08:25,156 ♪ Before she sleeps in the sand? 118 00:08:25,330 --> 00:08:30,684 ♪ Yes, and how many times must the cannonballs fly 119 00:08:30,858 --> 00:08:35,384 ♪ Before they're forever banned? 120 00:08:35,558 --> 00:08:40,476 ♪ The answer, my friend is blowin' in the wind 121 00:08:40,650 --> 00:08:44,219 ♪ The answer is blowin' in the wind 122 00:08:53,707 --> 00:08:58,842 ♪ Yes, and how many years must a mountain exist 123 00:08:59,016 --> 00:09:02,585 ♪ Before it is washed to the sea? 124 00:09:03,934 --> 00:09:08,504 ♪ And how many years can some people exist 125 00:09:08,678 --> 00:09:13,030 ♪ Before they're allowed to be free? 126 00:09:13,204 --> 00:09:17,774 ♪ Yes, and how many times can a man turn his head 127 00:09:17,948 --> 00:09:22,866 ♪ And pretend that he just doesn't see? 128 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,958 ♪ The answer, my friend is blowin' in the wind 129 00:09:28,132 --> 00:09:32,006 ♪ The answer is blowin' in the wind 130 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,493 [COUGHS] 131 00:09:41,668 --> 00:09:46,281 ♪ Yes, and how many times must a man look up 132 00:09:46,455 --> 00:09:49,980 ♪ Before he can see the sky? 133 00:09:51,068 --> 00:09:55,769 ♪ And how many ears must one man have 134 00:09:55,943 --> 00:10:00,164 ♪ Before he can hear people cry? 135 00:10:00,338 --> 00:10:05,343 ♪ Yes, and how many deaths will it take till he knows 136 00:10:05,517 --> 00:10:09,086 ♪ That too many people have died? 137 00:10:10,174 --> 00:10:14,788 ♪ The answer, my friend is blowin' in the wind 138 00:10:14,962 --> 00:10:18,661 ♪ The answer is blowin' in the wind ♪ 139 00:10:33,241 --> 00:10:34,677 [CHUCKLING] Albert Grossman. 140 00:10:34,851 --> 00:10:38,028 The thing that I love the most about Albert. 141 00:10:38,202 --> 00:10:40,335 Albert had this trick. 142 00:10:40,509 --> 00:10:43,599 He could sit there in a room 143 00:10:43,773 --> 00:10:48,343 longer than anyone in the world and not say a word. 144 00:10:48,517 --> 00:10:52,782 It was such an amazing... So that people would find themselves 145 00:10:52,956 --> 00:10:56,525 all of a sudden getting up and saying, "I did it, I killed him." 146 00:10:56,699 --> 00:10:59,876 I mean, they would confess to anything 147 00:11:00,050 --> 00:11:04,576 so as not to have to sit in a room with Albert 148 00:11:04,751 --> 00:11:07,928 and let that silence swell out. 149 00:11:08,102 --> 00:11:09,233 He had an office. 150 00:11:09,712 --> 00:11:10,887 [WHISTLES] 151 00:11:11,061 --> 00:11:12,584 [LAUGHS] 152 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:15,370 Not many people had offices at that point. 153 00:11:15,544 --> 00:11:17,111 We were all living in the Village. 154 00:11:18,155 --> 00:11:23,770 So, Albert and I went into business together. 155 00:11:24,945 --> 00:11:30,733 I could see that Albert Grossman 156 00:11:30,907 --> 00:11:34,041 really wanted to take over... 157 00:11:36,652 --> 00:11:38,741 Dylan. I could see that. 158 00:11:38,915 --> 00:11:43,746 I mean, and he... Albert had the money to do it. 159 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:48,446 Albert is, at best, a strange guy, 160 00:11:49,578 --> 00:11:52,668 and I have no money. 161 00:11:53,321 --> 00:11:57,542 And I see that Bobby, 162 00:11:57,717 --> 00:12:02,852 who is easily, in my opinion, manipulated 163 00:12:03,026 --> 00:12:05,681 because he didn't give a shit in any way. 164 00:12:05,855 --> 00:12:10,555 He was just busy "writing them songs." 165 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:17,519 I see that I'm going to lose out on this. 166 00:12:17,693 --> 00:12:22,698 That it's not going to work the way that I want it to work. 167 00:12:22,872 --> 00:12:29,792 So I better move quickly, and I come up with the scheme 168 00:12:29,966 --> 00:12:35,363 of selling my share of Dylan's contract. 169 00:12:35,537 --> 00:12:38,061 We had split it 50-50, 170 00:12:39,106 --> 00:12:42,152 and my share should be sold, 171 00:12:42,326 --> 00:12:44,720 and I should get $10,000. 172 00:12:44,894 --> 00:12:48,419 I have to tell you that $10,000 173 00:12:48,593 --> 00:12:53,076 in 1961 was a fortune. 174 00:12:54,034 --> 00:12:57,341 That was a lot of money at that point. 175 00:12:59,126 --> 00:13:04,261 But he was always very sweet to me, 176 00:13:06,002 --> 00:13:10,050 you know, after the dissolution and so forth and so on. 177 00:13:10,224 --> 00:13:15,446 And I felt that, my own personal feeling... 178 00:13:15,620 --> 00:13:20,843 I always thought that Albert took away so much of the fun of him. 179 00:13:21,888 --> 00:13:24,107 But that's my opinion. 180 00:13:24,281 --> 00:13:29,330 I thought he was a warmer, more mellow guy 181 00:13:29,504 --> 00:13:32,246 than Albert had turned him into. 182 00:13:33,943 --> 00:13:37,338 The song Blowin' in the Wind, my favorite song. 183 00:13:38,469 --> 00:13:40,428 And I was there. 184 00:13:40,602 --> 00:13:45,999 "How many roads must a man walk down before they call him a man? 185 00:13:46,173 --> 00:13:50,612 "Yes, and how many seas must a white dove sail 186 00:13:50,786 --> 00:13:53,180 "before she sleeps in the sand? 187 00:13:53,354 --> 00:13:57,619 "Yes, and how many times must the cannonballs fly 188 00:13:57,793 --> 00:13:59,969 "before they're forever banned? 189 00:14:00,143 --> 00:14:03,625 "The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind. 190 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:05,583 "The answer is blowing in the wind." 191 00:14:12,590 --> 00:14:14,027 Okay. 192 00:14:17,030 --> 00:14:19,902 It's so funny to read this lyric now. 193 00:14:20,947 --> 00:14:23,297 That's 100 years old. 194 00:14:23,471 --> 00:14:27,214 We've all heard it for, you know, so long. 195 00:14:27,388 --> 00:14:31,392 Now it's become... It's moved beyond what it was 196 00:14:31,566 --> 00:14:33,481 in a strange kind of a way. 197 00:14:35,309 --> 00:14:37,920 Although, I told you, I heard it the other day. 198 00:14:39,182 --> 00:14:42,446 I forget where, and I started to cry. 199 00:14:52,152 --> 00:14:54,371 DYLAN: I got out of the current George Washington Bridge, 200 00:14:54,545 --> 00:14:56,504 took the subway down the road. 201 00:14:56,678 --> 00:14:59,855 Went to the Cafe Wha?, I looked out at the crowd. 202 00:15:00,029 --> 00:15:04,686 "Does anybody know where a couple of people could stay tonight?" 203 00:15:04,860 --> 00:15:06,514 I was ready for New York. 204 00:15:08,342 --> 00:15:10,431 IZZY YOUNG: So, this guy comes in. 205 00:15:10,605 --> 00:15:14,696 He didn't look too prepossessing, didn't look the wild sort. 206 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:17,612 He looked like an ordinary kid. 207 00:15:20,397 --> 00:15:23,313 He said, "Listen, I got some songs I want you to hear." 208 00:15:23,487 --> 00:15:26,751 So I was, "Oh, God. Can you come tomorrow? Get out of here." 209 00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:28,710 He said, "No, I want to sing you a song." 210 00:15:28,884 --> 00:15:30,277 So I let him sing the song. 211 00:15:30,451 --> 00:15:32,366 And then I started pointing people. 212 00:15:32,540 --> 00:15:34,150 I said, "Listen, see that guy in the back room? 213 00:15:34,324 --> 00:15:36,326 "His name is Bob Dylan. You should listen to him. 214 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:38,894 "The guy's writing good songs, he's terrific." 215 00:15:39,068 --> 00:15:42,115 Al Jolson was the first successful folk manager 216 00:15:42,289 --> 00:15:44,508 who knew how to make money out of the singles. 217 00:15:44,682 --> 00:15:46,771 ARTIE MOGUL: Albert tells me one day they're going to send a guy 218 00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:48,904 over to see me named Bob Dylan. 219 00:15:49,078 --> 00:15:53,735 He's got a guitar with some kind of a contraption around his neck, 220 00:15:53,909 --> 00:15:56,433 so that the harmonica is up to his mouth. 221 00:15:56,607 --> 00:16:00,872 Now, believe me when I tell you, nobody had ever seen this before. 222 00:16:01,047 --> 00:16:02,962 And he starts singing for me. 223 00:16:03,136 --> 00:16:08,010 ♪ How many roads must a man walk down 224 00:16:08,184 --> 00:16:11,927 ♪ Before you call him a man? 225 00:16:13,363 --> 00:16:17,977 ♪ How many seas must the white dove sail... 226 00:16:18,151 --> 00:16:22,851 The music business per se was dominated by music publishers. 227 00:16:23,025 --> 00:16:25,201 In those days, the song was important. 228 00:16:25,375 --> 00:16:27,290 ♪ ...must the cannonballs fly... 229 00:16:27,464 --> 00:16:29,901 When I heard "How many ears must one man have 230 00:16:30,076 --> 00:16:32,992 "before he can hear people cry?" I flipped. 231 00:16:33,166 --> 00:16:35,864 I can't even remember what the songs were that he played me that day. 232 00:16:36,038 --> 00:16:38,214 But I said, "Okay, that's it. I want you. 233 00:16:38,388 --> 00:16:40,303 "I'll give you a writer's contract." 234 00:16:40,477 --> 00:16:43,132 And we got a contract ready and he signed it. 235 00:16:43,306 --> 00:16:46,266 DYLAN: I didn't tell anybody for a bit because, you know, 236 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,268 I almost wasn't sure it was happening myself. 237 00:16:48,442 --> 00:16:50,835 So I don't think I really told anybody 238 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:53,838 until I actually went through with the sessions. 239 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:56,145 ♪ ...is blowin' in the wind 240 00:16:56,319 --> 00:17:00,062 ♪ The answer is blowin' in the wind ♪ 241 00:17:01,455 --> 00:17:03,979 Now, Bob, when he started to bring me songs, 242 00:17:04,153 --> 00:17:07,374 the lyrics were written on this long yellow legal-size paper. 243 00:17:07,548 --> 00:17:10,638 Every one of the songs came to me that way. 244 00:17:11,682 --> 00:17:14,381 The Times They Are A-Changin', all the classics. 245 00:17:14,555 --> 00:17:17,210 And we would take him into this little tiny studio 246 00:17:17,384 --> 00:17:20,256 that was across from my office and he would make a tape, 247 00:17:20,430 --> 00:17:24,043 singing the song, playing the guitar. 248 00:17:24,217 --> 00:17:28,003 I would then take the tape and give it to our head copyist, 249 00:17:28,177 --> 00:17:31,006 who was a guy named Simeon Saber. 250 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:33,487 Simeon Saber was about 65 years old, 251 00:17:33,661 --> 00:17:38,013 and he'd been sitting there with his green eyeshade for 45 years, 252 00:17:38,187 --> 00:17:42,017 copying the songs of Victor Herbert, Rudolf Friml, 253 00:17:42,191 --> 00:17:46,848 and now I'm bringing him songs about rats eating babies. 254 00:17:47,022 --> 00:17:48,980 He comes to me one day and he says, 255 00:17:49,155 --> 00:17:52,245 "We've got to get a young copyist in. I just can't do this." 256 00:17:52,419 --> 00:17:55,509 Strangely enough, even the old people there, 257 00:17:55,683 --> 00:17:58,164 everybody got on the Dylan bandwagon. 258 00:17:58,338 --> 00:18:01,384 Everybody started to record Bob Dylan songs. 259 00:18:01,558 --> 00:18:03,734 Helped, of course, by the fact that Peter, Paul and Mary 260 00:18:03,908 --> 00:18:06,476 didBlowin' in the Wind and thenDon't Think Twice. 261 00:18:10,001 --> 00:18:12,352 And I think it was the fact 262 00:18:12,526 --> 00:18:15,485 that all these other artists did Bob, 263 00:18:15,659 --> 00:18:18,488 is what made him start to become so big. 264 00:18:18,662 --> 00:18:24,059 ♪ 'Cause the times they are a-changing 265 00:18:26,583 --> 00:18:29,369 ♪ Come mothers and fathers... ♪ 266 00:18:29,543 --> 00:18:33,982 He was the first artist who could record an album 267 00:18:34,156 --> 00:18:39,292 of 10 or 12 songs and be the writer and publisher of all the songs. 268 00:18:39,466 --> 00:18:44,427 Previous to that, if Nat Cole recorded an album of 12 songs, 269 00:18:44,601 --> 00:18:47,082 12 different writers and 12 different publishers 270 00:18:47,256 --> 00:18:49,519 wrote those songs. 271 00:18:49,693 --> 00:18:52,261 In Bob's case, he really was writing all these great original songs 272 00:18:52,435 --> 00:18:55,656 and on all the publishing and all the writing. 273 00:18:56,787 --> 00:18:59,486 It was the beginning of the end 274 00:18:59,660 --> 00:19:01,879 of what used to be known as Tin Pan Alley. 275 00:19:03,751 --> 00:19:08,886 ♪ Well, I ain't got my childhood 276 00:19:09,060 --> 00:19:12,890 ♪ Or friends I once did know 277 00:19:14,283 --> 00:19:16,111 ♪ But I still... 278 00:19:16,285 --> 00:19:17,765 DYLAN: I wrote a lot of songs in a quick amount of time. 279 00:19:17,939 --> 00:19:19,419 I could do that then. 280 00:19:19,593 --> 00:19:24,293 Because the process was new to me. 281 00:19:24,467 --> 00:19:30,734 ♪ Hey, hey, so I guess I'm doin' fine ♪ 282 00:19:37,132 --> 00:19:40,483 Yes, I don't think a lot of people realize. 283 00:19:40,657 --> 00:19:43,965 Even I question, where did this come from? 284 00:19:44,139 --> 00:19:46,185 How does he come up with these? 285 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,189 How did this kid from Hibbing, Minnesota... 286 00:19:51,973 --> 00:19:53,888 How was this in him? 287 00:19:54,062 --> 00:19:56,282 I'll tell you something else interesting about those demos 288 00:19:56,456 --> 00:19:58,066 that we used to make with Bob. 289 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,286 Someplace there exists the tapes on those. 290 00:20:00,460 --> 00:20:02,636 MAN: I have the tapes. 291 00:20:02,810 --> 00:20:05,116 MOGULL: You actually found the tapes from those demos he made? 292 00:20:05,291 --> 00:20:08,337 MAN: We have all the original tapes from the demos in the original boxes. 293 00:20:08,511 --> 00:20:09,860 MOGULL: Well, that could be a great album. 294 00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:34,189 ANNOUNCER: Today's young people have more leisure time 295 00:20:34,363 --> 00:20:36,583 than any previous generation, 296 00:20:36,757 --> 00:20:40,369 and more ways to fill those hours between work and play. 297 00:20:42,458 --> 00:20:45,722 For practically everyone twixt 12 and 20, 298 00:20:45,896 --> 00:20:49,552 one activity to beat the band is music. 299 00:20:49,726 --> 00:20:53,643 Whether blasting from a transistor radio at the beach 300 00:20:53,817 --> 00:20:56,472 or the record player in your bedroom, 301 00:20:56,646 --> 00:21:00,171 music is in the air that teenagers breathe. 302 00:21:00,346 --> 00:21:03,218 But like any healthy teenage activity, 303 00:21:03,392 --> 00:21:07,875 music could be corrupted by unscrupulous profiteers 304 00:21:08,049 --> 00:21:13,750 out to push the latest dubious gimmick in the name of progress. 305 00:21:13,924 --> 00:21:16,362 You kids have to be careful of these snake oil salesmen 306 00:21:16,536 --> 00:21:18,059 trying to sell you stereo sound. 307 00:21:18,233 --> 00:21:20,670 It's just a scam to raise the price of records. 308 00:21:20,844 --> 00:21:23,543 But my boyfriend says that stereo makes it sound 309 00:21:23,717 --> 00:21:26,502 like a group is playing right in your bedroom. 310 00:21:26,676 --> 00:21:28,461 Yeah, and how would your dad feel if one of these rock groups 311 00:21:28,635 --> 00:21:30,419 did come and play in your bedroom? 312 00:21:30,593 --> 00:21:33,727 Well, I guess he wouldn't really go for that. 313 00:21:33,901 --> 00:21:37,948 ANNOUNCER: Darn right he wouldn't, and neither would your neighbors. 314 00:21:38,122 --> 00:21:41,865 Stereo sound purports to split the signal between two speakers, 315 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:44,999 putting half the music in one side and half in the other. 316 00:21:45,173 --> 00:21:47,915 They claim that when the music is reassembled in your brain, 317 00:21:48,089 --> 00:21:49,656 it fools you into thinking 318 00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:51,875 you're hearing a band spread out around the room. 319 00:21:52,049 --> 00:21:53,834 Why would I want to fool my brain? 320 00:21:54,008 --> 00:21:56,097 ANNOUNCER: Exactly, Scottie. 321 00:21:56,271 --> 00:21:59,622 By introducing deceptive patterns into the adolescent mind, 322 00:21:59,796 --> 00:22:03,670 stereo sound plays havoc with the still-developing tissue 323 00:22:03,844 --> 00:22:08,370 of the teenage brain. Stereo is designed to lie to you. 324 00:22:08,544 --> 00:22:10,503 The fallacy of the stereo sales pitch 325 00:22:10,677 --> 00:22:12,592 is that it's based on the false syllogism 326 00:22:12,766 --> 00:22:16,857 that two speakers equal your two ears. 327 00:22:17,031 --> 00:22:19,729 But what it ignores is that you only have one brain, 328 00:22:19,903 --> 00:22:22,036 and you don't listen to music with your ears, 329 00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:23,777 you listen with your brain. 330 00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:27,868 ANNOUNCER: What is the antidote to stereo? 331 00:22:28,042 --> 00:22:31,959 Well, it's been right in your home all along. 332 00:22:32,133 --> 00:22:35,005 Good old American mono. 333 00:22:36,311 --> 00:22:37,486 In the recording studio, 334 00:22:37,660 --> 00:22:40,228 each instrument has its own microphone. 335 00:22:40,402 --> 00:22:43,318 Trained technicians on the other side of the protective window 336 00:22:43,492 --> 00:22:46,060 balance the volume levels to achieve an ideal blend. 337 00:22:47,801 --> 00:22:50,456 With mono recording, you hear that same perfect blend 338 00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:52,327 wherever you're standing. 339 00:22:52,501 --> 00:22:54,068 However, with stereo recording, 340 00:22:54,242 --> 00:22:55,852 you may hear a blaring trumpet in the left speaker, 341 00:22:56,026 --> 00:22:58,638 an out-of-tune electric guitar in the right speaker, 342 00:22:58,812 --> 00:23:02,032 and a honking Lowrey organ somewhere on the ceiling. 343 00:23:02,206 --> 00:23:04,470 ANNOUNCER: And here's something you may not know. 344 00:23:04,644 --> 00:23:09,170 Today's most with-it groups mix all their records in mono. 345 00:23:09,344 --> 00:23:11,259 That's the true recording. 346 00:23:11,433 --> 00:23:13,392 Stereo mixes are often done 347 00:23:13,566 --> 00:23:17,613 after the musicians you love have left the room. 348 00:23:18,875 --> 00:23:21,269 This whole stereo stampede is nothing but a flimflam 349 00:23:21,443 --> 00:23:23,837 to trick teenagers into paying more for records. 350 00:23:24,664 --> 00:23:26,274 $3.50? 351 00:23:26,448 --> 00:23:28,407 That's more than my whole allowance. 352 00:23:28,581 --> 00:23:30,800 Once customers swallow high stereo prices, 353 00:23:30,974 --> 00:23:34,064 many stores may stop selling mono records altogether. 354 00:23:34,238 --> 00:23:36,676 They can't do that, can they? 355 00:23:36,850 --> 00:23:40,201 ANNOUNCER: Teenagers are the future of America. 356 00:23:40,375 --> 00:23:43,639 These young twisters, swingers and go-go kids 357 00:23:43,813 --> 00:23:46,033 will someday be our senators, 358 00:23:46,207 --> 00:23:49,036 astronauts and homemakers, 359 00:23:49,210 --> 00:23:51,255 but to live in the future, 360 00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:54,215 everyone will need a fully functioning brain. 361 00:23:54,389 --> 00:24:01,483 Everyone will need to be able to think clearly, straightforwardly in mono. 362 00:24:01,657 --> 00:24:03,180 I'm sticking with mono. 363 00:24:04,312 --> 00:24:06,183 I'm sticking with mono. 364 00:24:06,357 --> 00:24:09,491 ANNOUNCER: Let's all stick with mono. 365 00:24:18,587 --> 00:24:20,763 ♪ Columbia That's the magic word 366 00:24:20,937 --> 00:24:23,418 ♪ For the greatest records you've ever heard 367 00:24:23,592 --> 00:24:28,423 ♪ You even get past the hi-lo on Columbia! ♪ 368 00:24:43,917 --> 00:24:47,877 ♪ When you're lost in the rain down in Juarez 369 00:24:48,051 --> 00:24:50,184 ♪ When it's Easter, too 370 00:24:53,753 --> 00:24:55,755 ♪ And your gravity drops 371 00:24:55,929 --> 00:25:00,150 ♪ And negativity don't pull you through ♪ 372 00:25:04,372 --> 00:25:06,635 ♪ Don't put on any airs 373 00:25:06,809 --> 00:25:10,683 ♪ When you're walking on Rue Morgue Avenue 374 00:25:13,468 --> 00:25:16,471 ♪ They got some hungry women there 375 00:25:16,645 --> 00:25:20,519 ♪ And they really make a mess outta you 376 00:25:33,140 --> 00:25:39,625 ♪ Well if you see Saint Annie please tell her thanks a lot 377 00:25:43,672 --> 00:25:49,809 ♪ I cannot move My fingers are all in a knot 378 00:25:53,421 --> 00:25:55,902 ♪ I do not have the strength 379 00:25:56,076 --> 00:26:00,036 ♪ To get up and take another shot 380 00:26:03,170 --> 00:26:05,868 ♪ And the doctor who's my best friend 381 00:26:06,042 --> 00:26:10,612 ♪ Won't even tell me what it is I've got 382 00:26:32,547 --> 00:26:39,598 ♪ I started out on burgundy and soon hit the harder stuff 383 00:26:42,557 --> 00:26:46,039 ♪ Everybody said they'd stand behind me 384 00:26:46,213 --> 00:26:49,216 ♪ When the game got rough 385 00:26:52,567 --> 00:26:54,569 ♪ But it was all a laugh 386 00:26:54,743 --> 00:26:59,661 ♪ Because there was no one there to call my bluff 387 00:27:02,011 --> 00:27:04,753 ♪ I'm going back to New York City 388 00:27:04,927 --> 00:27:09,018 ♪ I believe I've had enough ♪ 389 00:27:48,797 --> 00:27:54,020 NARRATOR: Between 1965 and 1966, Bob Dylan recorded three albums 390 00:27:54,194 --> 00:27:57,327 that many believe changed the course of modern music. 391 00:27:57,501 --> 00:27:59,068 Bringing It All Back Home, 392 00:27:59,242 --> 00:28:02,115 Highway 61 Revisited andBlonde on Blonde. 393 00:28:02,289 --> 00:28:05,640 The Cutting Edge, The Bootleg Series Volume 12 394 00:28:05,814 --> 00:28:07,511 takes you inside the studio 395 00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:10,732 during the recording of these three legendary albums. 396 00:28:10,906 --> 00:28:13,909 ♪ Well, the rainman's coming and he's waving his wand 397 00:28:15,432 --> 00:28:18,871 ♪ And the judge says "Mona can't have no bond" 398 00:28:20,568 --> 00:28:23,266 ♪ Mona, she starts to cry 399 00:28:25,181 --> 00:28:28,271 ♪ Rainman leaves in a wolf's disguise... ♪ 400 00:28:30,099 --> 00:28:32,928 NARRATOR: With a staggering wealth of unreleased songs, 401 00:28:33,102 --> 00:28:35,757 outtakes, rehearsals and alternate versions, 402 00:28:35,931 --> 00:28:38,020 The Cutting Edge provides a unique look 403 00:28:38,194 --> 00:28:41,284 into one man's astonishing creative process. 404 00:28:41,894 --> 00:28:43,243 MAN: My Girl, take one. 405 00:28:44,853 --> 00:28:47,726 NARRATOR: January 1965, Dylan arrives 406 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:52,818 at CBS Recording Studios in Manhattan looking for a new sound. 407 00:28:52,992 --> 00:28:55,734 ♪ She's got everything she needs 408 00:28:55,908 --> 00:29:00,129 ♪ She's an artist She don't look back 409 00:29:03,567 --> 00:29:05,700 ♪ She's got everything she needs 410 00:29:05,874 --> 00:29:09,356 ♪ She's an artist She don't look back 411 00:29:12,054 --> 00:29:14,187 ♪ She can take the dark out of the night time 412 00:29:14,361 --> 00:29:18,017 ♪ And paint the day time black ♪ 413 00:29:22,108 --> 00:29:24,371 NARRATOR: OnThe Cutting Edge, we follow that journey 414 00:29:24,545 --> 00:29:28,244 as the elements ofBringing It All Back Home fall into place. 415 00:29:30,203 --> 00:29:36,252 ♪ Ain't it hard to stumble and land in some funny lagoon? ♪ 416 00:29:38,428 --> 00:29:43,303 ♪ Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man play a song for me... ♪ 417 00:29:43,477 --> 00:29:45,740 DYLAN: Hey, I can't... 418 00:29:45,914 --> 00:29:48,177 Hey, the drumming is driving me mad. I'm going out of my brain. 419 00:29:54,575 --> 00:29:57,578 NARRATOR: Six months later, Bob Dylan is back in the studio. 420 00:29:57,752 --> 00:29:59,754 ♪ People call, say "Beware doll 421 00:29:59,928 --> 00:30:01,451 ♪ "You're bound to fall" 422 00:30:01,625 --> 00:30:03,758 ♪ You thought they were all kiddin' you ♪ 423 00:30:07,631 --> 00:30:09,764 DYLAN: At this point, his switch to electric music 424 00:30:09,938 --> 00:30:11,940 has already alienated some fans, 425 00:30:12,114 --> 00:30:15,422 at the same time created a whole new audience. 426 00:30:17,163 --> 00:30:20,166 The resulting album, Highway 61 Revisited 427 00:30:20,340 --> 00:30:23,691 is Dylan's first fully realized rock album. 428 00:30:23,865 --> 00:30:26,433 ♪ Well, I ride on a mailtrain, baby 429 00:30:26,607 --> 00:30:28,827 ♪ Can't buy no thrill 430 00:30:31,003 --> 00:30:33,962 ♪ I've been up all night, baby 431 00:30:35,050 --> 00:30:37,270 ♪ Leanin' on the windowsill 432 00:30:38,967 --> 00:30:45,365 ♪ Well, if I die on top of the hill 433 00:30:45,539 --> 00:30:47,715 ♪ And if I don't make it 434 00:30:47,889 --> 00:30:50,370 ♪ You know my baby will ♪ 435 00:30:53,634 --> 00:30:57,899 NARRATOR: On his next album, the sonic landscape shifts once again. 436 00:30:58,073 --> 00:31:00,206 It takes several tries and multiple cities 437 00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:03,687 to finally realize Dylan's distinctive vision 438 00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:06,212 for rock's first double album 439 00:31:06,952 --> 00:31:08,475 Blonde on Blonde. 440 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,348 But onThe Cutting Edge, 441 00:31:12,522 --> 00:31:15,221 even the wrong directions can yield glorious results. 442 00:31:16,135 --> 00:31:18,398 ♪ Ain't it just like the night 443 00:31:18,572 --> 00:31:23,142 ♪ To play tricks when you're tryin' to be so quiet? ♪ 444 00:31:23,316 --> 00:31:25,535 The Cutting Edge presents an alternate history 445 00:31:25,709 --> 00:31:29,061 for some of the most distinctive songs ever recorded. 446 00:31:29,235 --> 00:31:33,979 ♪ Oh, Mama this might be the end 447 00:31:34,153 --> 00:31:39,288 ♪ I'm down here in Mobile with the Memphis blues again ♪ 448 00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:51,387 NARRATOR: You are there for the evolution of one classic after another, 449 00:31:51,561 --> 00:31:54,782 and all of it is tied together with Dylan's unerring sense 450 00:31:54,956 --> 00:31:57,524 of lyrical and musical mastery. 451 00:31:57,698 --> 00:32:00,266 ♪ Now your dancing child with his Chinese suit 452 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,790 ♪ He spoke to me I took his flute 453 00:32:02,964 --> 00:32:07,012 ♪ No, I wasn't very cute to him, was I? 454 00:32:07,186 --> 00:32:09,884 ♪ But I did it to him because he lied 455 00:32:10,058 --> 00:32:12,147 ♪ Because he took you for a ride... 456 00:32:12,321 --> 00:32:14,367 ♪ Because time was on his side 457 00:32:14,541 --> 00:32:16,456 ♪ And because I... 458 00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:18,197 ♪ Want you 459 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:20,982 ♪ I want you 460 00:32:21,156 --> 00:32:24,333 ♪ I want you so bad 461 00:32:25,378 --> 00:32:27,336 ♪ Honey, I want you ♪ 462 00:32:33,081 --> 00:32:35,257 Hello, I'm Bob Egan of PopSpots, 463 00:32:35,431 --> 00:32:38,260 the website where I track down where old record album covers were made. 464 00:32:38,434 --> 00:32:42,351 Today we're going to look at Bob Dylan's Bringing It All back Home. 465 00:32:42,525 --> 00:32:45,093 Now, today I'm on Minetta Street in Greenwich Village, 466 00:32:45,267 --> 00:32:47,008 the center of the folk movement, 467 00:32:47,182 --> 00:32:49,924 and I'm standing next to what used to be called The Commons. 468 00:32:50,098 --> 00:32:53,319 And in 1962, Dylan wrote Blowin' in the Windright here. 469 00:32:53,493 --> 00:32:56,975 Now, back in that era, he was a scruffy looking kid 470 00:32:57,149 --> 00:33:00,282 who just blew in from the Midwest, and he would be photographed that way. 471 00:33:00,456 --> 00:33:03,416 But three years later, he's a changed guy. 472 00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:05,113 Rock 'n' roll has come. 473 00:33:05,287 --> 00:33:05,984 The Beatles have come, The Rolling Stones have come. 474 00:33:06,158 --> 00:33:08,203 New fashions have come. 475 00:33:08,377 --> 00:33:10,466 When he put out this album, he's dressed like a country squire. 476 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,164 He's in the middle of a nice, beautiful house 477 00:33:12,338 --> 00:33:14,644 next to a beautiful woman, he's got a Persian cat. 478 00:33:14,818 --> 00:33:19,432 Basically, what he's trying to do here is say, "I'm past the folk movement. 479 00:33:19,606 --> 00:33:23,436 "I'm moving on." As a matter of fact, half the record is acoustic, 480 00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:26,134 that's the old world, and half is electric. 481 00:33:26,308 --> 00:33:28,136 Right here, this is Sally Grossman. 482 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:30,965 Bob's manager was Albert Grossman and that was his wife. 483 00:33:31,139 --> 00:33:33,881 This photograph is taken on the Grossman's estate 484 00:33:34,055 --> 00:33:38,799 up in Bearsville, New York, which is just west of Woodstock. 485 00:33:38,973 --> 00:33:41,541 How many pictures did you take like this? 486 00:33:41,715 --> 00:33:43,151 Ten. 487 00:33:43,325 --> 00:33:45,284 And how did you decide on this particular shot? 488 00:33:45,458 --> 00:33:48,461 -The only one in which the cat was looking at the lens. -[CHUCKLES] 489 00:33:48,635 --> 00:33:50,680 How'd you get that yellow circle of light? 490 00:33:50,854 --> 00:33:52,334 As I explained to Bob that 491 00:33:52,508 --> 00:33:55,642 what would happen if we do this effect, 492 00:33:55,816 --> 00:34:00,516 -we will have things blurry and moving... -Yeah. 493 00:34:00,690 --> 00:34:03,606 ...but you won't be moving because you're the center. 494 00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:05,260 You know what's going on. 495 00:34:05,434 --> 00:34:10,048 But around you, there's the turning of the world. 496 00:34:10,222 --> 00:34:12,441 Also the turning of the record. 497 00:34:12,615 --> 00:34:15,183 Any reason why you put Dylan's own album in the back? 498 00:34:15,357 --> 00:34:16,837 Just kind of like his history, is that it? 499 00:34:17,011 --> 00:34:19,361 My back pages. 500 00:34:19,535 --> 00:34:21,972 KRAMER: Bob put a lot of things in that had some meaning for him. 501 00:34:22,147 --> 00:34:24,018 Bob Dylan with Daniel Kramer, 502 00:34:24,192 --> 00:34:26,194 they spent about three hours going through the house, 503 00:34:26,368 --> 00:34:28,240 just picking up all sorts of old stuff, 504 00:34:28,414 --> 00:34:30,938 including the record album and, you know, movies. 505 00:34:31,112 --> 00:34:32,592 And then, you know, like old world paintings. 506 00:34:32,766 --> 00:34:34,376 He's got these pink cufflinks. 507 00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:36,987 They were a present to him by Joan Baez. 508 00:34:37,162 --> 00:34:41,383 And he's got, you know, a lot of the objects of his past, 509 00:34:41,557 --> 00:34:43,516 including one of his old albums in the middle. 510 00:35:08,149 --> 00:35:09,846 Hi, I'm Bob Egan of PopSpots, and on my website, 511 00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:13,067 I searched down where famous record album covers were done. 512 00:35:13,241 --> 00:35:15,243 Today I'm sitting on the front steps 513 00:35:15,417 --> 00:35:18,812 of where Bob Dylan lived for two years, starting in 1961. 514 00:35:18,986 --> 00:35:23,904 Today we're going to go look at the location of Highway 61 Revisited. 515 00:35:24,078 --> 00:35:25,993 Bob lived here and he took this photograph 516 00:35:26,167 --> 00:35:28,038 right down these steps, down the street, 517 00:35:28,213 --> 00:35:29,692 right over to the corner of Jones Street. 518 00:35:29,866 --> 00:35:31,781 They probably walked right by this spot, 519 00:35:31,955 --> 00:35:34,088 where they took the shot for Freewheelin' several years before. 520 00:35:34,262 --> 00:35:37,091 So now follow me and we're gonna go see 521 00:35:37,265 --> 00:35:39,702 the rest of where the other part of the shoot was 522 00:35:39,876 --> 00:35:41,878 for Highway 61. 523 00:35:42,052 --> 00:35:43,793 The street corner at Sixth Avenue and West Fourth Street. 524 00:35:43,967 --> 00:35:47,101 And where they went, this place called O' Henry's. 525 00:35:47,275 --> 00:35:49,625 And it was a famous, old fashioned, 526 00:35:49,799 --> 00:35:53,020 you know, kind of barbershop-quartet-era type restaurant 527 00:35:53,194 --> 00:35:54,978 that was located right here. 528 00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:59,069 After lunch, Bob and Daniel went up to Gramercy Park. 529 00:35:59,244 --> 00:36:01,811 So, I'm always on the lookout for different locations, 530 00:36:01,985 --> 00:36:05,380 you know, where album covers were done and I saw a book that said 531 00:36:05,554 --> 00:36:09,123 that Janis Joplin used to sit on the front steps of the building 532 00:36:09,297 --> 00:36:12,648 where it was taken, and look out at Gramercy Park. 533 00:36:12,822 --> 00:36:15,608 When I found that Janis Joplin 534 00:36:15,782 --> 00:36:19,481 had been at Albert Grossman's apartment, 535 00:36:19,655 --> 00:36:23,268 I zoomed in on the door and I said, "This is the same door." 536 00:36:23,442 --> 00:36:24,965 I couldn't believe it because 537 00:36:25,139 --> 00:36:27,359 the whole time that I was thinking about this album, 538 00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:32,146 I thought that it was done indoors inside of a stage, 539 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,974 because it looks like it's kind of like a theater arch 540 00:36:34,148 --> 00:36:35,671 on the right hand side. 541 00:36:35,845 --> 00:36:37,543 So I was... My mind was blown when it turns out 542 00:36:37,717 --> 00:36:39,893 that it's outdoors after all this time. 543 00:36:40,067 --> 00:36:42,069 This is a place where Dylan stayed for, 544 00:36:42,243 --> 00:36:43,375 you know, long periods of time. 545 00:36:43,549 --> 00:36:46,334 When they got here, Dylan said, 546 00:36:46,508 --> 00:36:49,207 "I want to go in and have you take a picture 547 00:36:49,381 --> 00:36:51,513 "using my new Triumph T-shirt." 548 00:36:51,687 --> 00:36:55,082 So he went and got the Triumph T-shirt and he sat down. 549 00:36:55,256 --> 00:36:58,433 Usually, you have a plan, especially for a cover. 550 00:36:58,607 --> 00:36:59,478 Yeah. 551 00:36:59,652 --> 00:37:01,784 And this wasn't the plan. 552 00:37:01,958 --> 00:37:04,526 This was kind of all naked here. 553 00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:07,921 So I asked Neuwirth if he'd stand here. 554 00:37:08,095 --> 00:37:13,883 So I grabbed my camera and I said, "Bob, hold this camera." 555 00:37:14,057 --> 00:37:18,975 Now, once he did that, it seems like something's going on. 556 00:37:19,149 --> 00:37:23,545 Not that we're taking a picture, but there's a making of a picture. 557 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,592 There's a photographer, he's got his camera. 558 00:37:26,766 --> 00:37:29,290 This wasn't the plan. 559 00:37:29,464 --> 00:37:34,034 This wasn't even expected that we would do a picture like this. 560 00:37:34,208 --> 00:37:36,079 Kramer then took two different pictures 561 00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:37,733 and one of the pictures... 562 00:37:37,907 --> 00:37:40,519 You know, the last picture of the day that they shot 563 00:37:40,693 --> 00:37:44,218 was the one that became the album cover. 564 00:37:44,392 --> 00:37:47,700 ♪ And have it on Highway 61 ♪ 565 00:38:09,025 --> 00:38:10,462 This is Bob Egan from PopSpots. 566 00:38:10,636 --> 00:38:12,028 It's a website where I track down 567 00:38:12,202 --> 00:38:13,900 where famous record album covers were done. 568 00:38:14,074 --> 00:38:17,730 Today we're gonna look at where Blonde On Blonde 569 00:38:17,904 --> 00:38:21,734 from 1966, Bob Dylan's album, was photographed. 570 00:38:21,908 --> 00:38:24,737 Standing next to Jerry Schatzberg, who took that photograph. 571 00:38:24,911 --> 00:38:26,826 This is your studio. It was right up here. 572 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,350 Dylan picked you and one of your assistants up. 573 00:38:29,524 --> 00:38:31,047 And where did you go to take the picture? 574 00:38:31,221 --> 00:38:34,573 What I remember was the Meatpacking District downtown. 575 00:38:34,747 --> 00:38:37,053 -Okay, that's about 14th Street. -Possibly. 576 00:38:37,227 --> 00:38:38,228 Way over on the west side. 577 00:38:38,403 --> 00:38:39,578 Let's go check it out. 578 00:38:43,582 --> 00:38:45,758 We're going to the Meatpacking District 579 00:38:45,932 --> 00:38:50,589 because I know that I photographed Dylan there for Blonde on Blonde. 580 00:38:50,763 --> 00:38:52,242 Or I think I photographed him there. 581 00:38:52,417 --> 00:38:55,463 We're just trying to discover where 582 00:38:55,637 --> 00:38:58,771 because they've gentrified the areas so much. 583 00:38:58,945 --> 00:39:02,775 We're hoping to uncover the mystery. 584 00:39:06,126 --> 00:39:10,609 Tell me exactly why the pictures are blurred on the cover. 585 00:39:10,783 --> 00:39:12,480 It was pretty cold out, you know. 586 00:39:12,654 --> 00:39:15,527 I know all the critics, everybody trying to figure, 587 00:39:15,701 --> 00:39:19,487 "Oh, they were trying to do a drug shot or something." 588 00:39:19,661 --> 00:39:23,709 It's not true. It was February. He was wearing just that jacket. 589 00:39:23,883 --> 00:39:26,581 I was wearing something similar. The two of us were really cold. 590 00:39:26,755 --> 00:39:29,845 And to his credit, he's the one that chose that photograph. 591 00:39:31,325 --> 00:39:35,895 Someplace in here might be the building, 592 00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:37,984 but it's totally disguised now. 593 00:39:41,204 --> 00:39:45,165 So far, this is the closest thing that I've seen in all these years. 594 00:39:45,339 --> 00:39:47,385 They covered over the brick here. 595 00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:49,822 It could be this building, too, without this top. 596 00:39:49,996 --> 00:39:53,347 I think this building looks very possible. 597 00:39:54,304 --> 00:39:56,045 It's been a good experience for me 598 00:39:56,219 --> 00:39:58,265 because I really thought that the building would be torn down. 599 00:39:58,439 --> 00:40:00,180 Now I think that it might be up here somewhere. 600 00:40:00,354 --> 00:40:02,574 -Still might be up... -I think the job is up to you now. 601 00:40:02,748 --> 00:40:04,793 -I'll see you. Thanks, guys. -Okay. 602 00:40:05,664 --> 00:40:09,885 ♪ I'm pledging my time to you 603 00:40:10,059 --> 00:40:12,105 ♪ Hopin' you'll come through, too... ♪ 604 00:40:28,077 --> 00:40:30,384 ♪ Ain't it just like the night 605 00:40:30,558 --> 00:40:34,649 ♪ To play tricks when you're tryin' to be quiet? 606 00:40:38,697 --> 00:40:41,569 ♪ We sit here stranded 607 00:40:41,743 --> 00:40:45,573 ♪ Though we're all doin' our best to deny it 608 00:40:49,447 --> 00:40:52,406 ♪ And Louise holds a handful of rain 609 00:40:52,580 --> 00:40:55,583 ♪ Temptin' you to defy it 610 00:40:59,674 --> 00:41:03,548 ♪ Lights flicker from the opposite loft 611 00:41:05,201 --> 00:41:08,857 ♪ In this room the heat pipes, they cough 612 00:41:10,511 --> 00:41:13,645 ♪ The country music station plays soft 613 00:41:13,819 --> 00:41:18,040 ♪ But there's nothing Really nothing to turn off 614 00:41:20,216 --> 00:41:27,572 ♪ Just Louise and her lover so entwined 615 00:41:31,271 --> 00:41:36,494 ♪ And these visions of Johanna 616 00:41:36,668 --> 00:41:40,454 ♪ That conquer my mind 617 00:41:47,461 --> 00:41:49,855 ♪ The fiddler now speaks 618 00:41:50,029 --> 00:41:54,729 ♪ To the princess who's pretending to care for him 619 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,910 ♪ He says, "Name me someone that's not a parasite 620 00:42:02,084 --> 00:42:05,566 ♪ "And I'll say a prayer for him" 621 00:42:08,264 --> 00:42:10,440 ♪ And like Louise always says 622 00:42:10,615 --> 00:42:12,399 ♪ "Ya can't look at much can ya, man?" 623 00:42:12,573 --> 00:42:14,967 ♪ As she prepares for him 624 00:42:19,145 --> 00:42:22,191 ♪ Madonna, she still has not showed 625 00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:29,024 ♪ And we see the empty cage now corrode 626 00:42:29,198 --> 00:42:33,551 ♪ Where her cape of the stage once had flowed 627 00:42:34,856 --> 00:42:38,251 ♪ The peddler he steps to the road 628 00:42:40,035 --> 00:42:44,997 ♪ Everything's gone which was owed 629 00:42:45,171 --> 00:42:50,089 ♪ He examines the nightingale's cold 630 00:42:50,263 --> 00:42:54,180 ♪ Still written on a fish truck that loads 631 00:42:54,354 --> 00:42:57,183 ♪ My conscience explodes 632 00:43:00,316 --> 00:43:07,628 ♪ The harmonicas play the skeleton keys and the rain 633 00:43:11,284 --> 00:43:16,245 ♪ And these visions of Johanna 634 00:43:16,419 --> 00:43:20,685 ♪ Are all that remain ♪ 635 00:43:51,759 --> 00:43:54,109 -[INDISTINCT CHATTER] -[RHYTHMIC CLAPPING] 636 00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:58,244 MAN: The big show special! 637 00:44:13,912 --> 00:44:16,305 DYLAN: Well, if it isn't the Hunchback of Notre Dame himself. 638 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,440 How's it going to sound tonight? 639 00:44:20,614 --> 00:44:21,746 -[CHUCKLES] -MAN: Great. 640 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,835 Better than it has in days. 641 00:44:25,619 --> 00:44:27,708 INTERVIEWER: Well, what was life like on the road then? 642 00:44:27,882 --> 00:44:31,277 -You know, on that tour? -ALDERSON: Hectic. 643 00:44:31,451 --> 00:44:35,150 Hard, sleepless, driving. 644 00:44:37,065 --> 00:44:38,371 Crazy. [CHUCKLES] 645 00:44:39,067 --> 00:44:40,199 [CROWD SHOUTING] 646 00:44:40,373 --> 00:44:42,288 You talking to me? 647 00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:54,343 Come up here and say that. 648 00:44:54,517 --> 00:44:55,954 DYLAN: It was the worst thing anyone could go through, man. 649 00:44:56,128 --> 00:44:59,261 Can't even hear the guitar to put it in tune. 650 00:44:59,435 --> 00:45:01,481 There's something wrong with the sound system. 651 00:45:01,655 --> 00:45:03,831 It has got to be fixed. 652 00:45:04,005 --> 00:45:05,615 ALDERSON: It never occurred to me to question it. 653 00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:07,182 I was just doing it. 654 00:45:07,356 --> 00:45:10,446 They asked me to do it and I did it. [CHUCKLES] 655 00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:11,970 -You can follow him. -On the other side. 656 00:45:12,144 --> 00:45:13,928 -Show him what side. -On the other side. 657 00:45:14,102 --> 00:45:15,974 You want me to show you where I'm plugged in? 658 00:45:16,148 --> 00:45:17,889 I'll show you where I'm plugged in, over here. 659 00:45:18,803 --> 00:45:20,326 I was always about the music. 660 00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:24,678 I was never about the mechanics of being a sound man. 661 00:45:24,852 --> 00:45:27,159 So if the music was good, I was happy. 662 00:45:29,335 --> 00:45:31,380 ♪ He looks so truthful 663 00:45:32,555 --> 00:45:35,036 ♪ Is this how he feels 664 00:45:37,038 --> 00:45:40,999 ♪ As he tries to peel the moon and expose it? ♪ 665 00:45:43,697 --> 00:45:45,351 I can't...[STRUMMING] 666 00:45:46,395 --> 00:45:48,833 It's not the same, you know? 667 00:45:49,703 --> 00:45:52,401 I can't hear it coming back. 668 00:45:52,575 --> 00:45:53,881 I don't know what it is, man. 669 00:45:54,055 --> 00:45:55,317 One, two. 670 00:45:56,536 --> 00:45:57,842 One, two. 671 00:45:58,756 --> 00:46:00,670 I didn't change anything. 672 00:46:00,845 --> 00:46:02,847 I bet something's wrong with the wires. 673 00:46:26,653 --> 00:46:30,613 ALDERSON: I lived in a fifth floor walk-up on Bleecker Street, 674 00:46:30,788 --> 00:46:33,921 right across the street from where the Village Gate was. 675 00:46:34,095 --> 00:46:36,706 And I just hung out in the Village. 676 00:46:36,881 --> 00:46:39,405 And I met Bob for the first time 677 00:46:39,579 --> 00:46:42,538 when he was just playing folk music and hanging out. 678 00:46:42,712 --> 00:46:47,239 My friend introduced me to the new owners of the Gaslight. 679 00:46:47,413 --> 00:46:49,415 They had me put in the sound system, 680 00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:51,286 and then somebody said, 681 00:46:51,460 --> 00:46:54,899 "Well, Dylan's going to premiere a bunch of songs after hours 682 00:46:55,073 --> 00:46:57,902 "and you should come and tape it." 683 00:47:00,121 --> 00:47:02,907 The atmosphere was so wonderful in the Gaslight. 684 00:47:03,081 --> 00:47:05,126 And it had a special quality 685 00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:08,260 that studio recordings could never have. 686 00:47:08,434 --> 00:47:12,046 ♪ Oh, where have you been my blue-eyed son? 687 00:47:14,483 --> 00:47:18,270 ♪ Where have you been my darling young one? ♪ 688 00:47:19,967 --> 00:47:21,926 It was just overwhelming. 689 00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:26,626 I mean, I had seen all kinds of people perform, 690 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,976 and nobody gave me chills like that. 691 00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:31,413 Nothing even came close to it. 692 00:47:32,327 --> 00:47:36,462 Tito, listen, we seem to have a problem. 693 00:47:36,636 --> 00:47:40,205 ALDERSON: I'd done a lot of live sound work for Grossman. 694 00:47:40,379 --> 00:47:43,599 When it came time for Dylan to go on tour, 695 00:47:43,773 --> 00:47:46,385 Grossman asked me to build the sound system 696 00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:48,909 and I said yes. 697 00:47:49,083 --> 00:47:51,956 I need an electrician. My power's all gone. 698 00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:54,393 It's Richard's power, man. Come on. 699 00:47:54,567 --> 00:47:57,004 ALDERSON: I fit perfectly into that situation 700 00:47:57,178 --> 00:48:00,486 because I was really a kind of hi-fi purist 701 00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:02,183 as far as sound is concerned. 702 00:48:02,357 --> 00:48:04,838 DYLAN: Richard's power. Give him his power back. 703 00:48:05,447 --> 00:48:06,971 Let's have the power. 704 00:48:07,145 --> 00:48:11,671 I had no rehearsals with Dylan because I was busy 705 00:48:11,845 --> 00:48:14,500 getting the gear together and setting it up. 706 00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:21,550 I built the sound system. 707 00:48:21,724 --> 00:48:24,162 I had to make up the tables and I had to connect everything 708 00:48:24,336 --> 00:48:26,381 and I had to put it into the road cases 709 00:48:26,555 --> 00:48:28,079 and get it on the plane. 710 00:48:28,949 --> 00:48:30,908 It was shipped to Honolulu. 711 00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:34,041 The first time I used the whole sound system 712 00:48:34,215 --> 00:48:36,087 was on the stage in Honolulu. 713 00:48:36,261 --> 00:48:39,742 And I was still soldering wires on the stage in Stockholm. 714 00:48:39,917 --> 00:48:42,354 I remember that very well. 715 00:48:42,528 --> 00:48:44,399 Just give me time to get across to the other side. 716 00:48:44,573 --> 00:48:48,664 I mean, I barely had time to get everything set up 717 00:48:48,838 --> 00:48:50,884 at every venue we were at. 718 00:48:54,888 --> 00:48:57,369 I knew that he had been performing electric, 719 00:48:57,543 --> 00:49:00,763 but I had no idea that the second half 720 00:49:00,938 --> 00:49:03,201 was going to be what it turned out to be. 721 00:49:03,375 --> 00:49:06,421 ♪ Once upon a time you dressed so fine 722 00:49:06,595 --> 00:49:09,947 ♪ You threw the bums a dime in your prime 723 00:49:10,948 --> 00:49:13,298 ♪ Didn't you? ♪ 724 00:49:23,743 --> 00:49:25,049 Richard. 725 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,662 ALDERSON: Everybody knew that they came to see the Bob Dylan 726 00:49:29,836 --> 00:49:31,577 that they were expecting. 727 00:49:31,751 --> 00:49:35,407 Rock 'n' roll was something that no one expected. 728 00:49:37,583 --> 00:49:39,889 There was a lot of booing. 729 00:49:40,064 --> 00:49:42,196 I mean, it was practically everywhere we went. 730 00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:45,504 The audiences were hostile. 731 00:49:45,678 --> 00:49:49,595 And the band responded to the hostility of the audience 732 00:49:49,769 --> 00:49:51,640 by playing more aggressively. 733 00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:55,644 ♪ You walk into the room 734 00:49:57,864 --> 00:50:00,040 ♪ With your pencil in your hand 735 00:50:01,302 --> 00:50:05,393 ♪ You see somebody naked 736 00:50:05,567 --> 00:50:07,439 ♪ And you say "Who is that man?" ♪ 737 00:50:07,613 --> 00:50:11,312 The audience reaction, that was mystifying... 738 00:50:11,486 --> 00:50:13,793 to everybody. It was mystifying to me. 739 00:50:13,967 --> 00:50:16,056 I can remember, like, 740 00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:19,277 "Why doesn't everybody think this stuff is as great as I do?" [CHUCKLES] 741 00:50:21,235 --> 00:50:24,238 The tapings began when we were in Europe 742 00:50:24,412 --> 00:50:26,501 because Bob wanted to make a movie. 743 00:50:26,675 --> 00:50:29,330 ♪ I'd stand by her roil 744 00:50:30,201 --> 00:50:33,247 ♪ In the lonely water 745 00:50:35,249 --> 00:50:40,776 ♪ I've stood there many times before this, you see 746 00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:44,954 ALDERSON: He wanted to make kind of a nouvelle vague movie 747 00:50:45,129 --> 00:50:47,305 of the whole process. 748 00:50:49,133 --> 00:50:50,612 Nobody ever thought that those tapes 749 00:50:50,786 --> 00:50:53,963 would ever be issued in the way they're being issued. 750 00:50:54,138 --> 00:50:55,313 MAN: All the stuff that came from Paris 751 00:50:55,487 --> 00:50:57,576 is still being cleared through customs. 752 00:50:58,577 --> 00:50:59,665 There's nothing here? 753 00:51:02,407 --> 00:51:05,018 -I can't believe it. -ALDERSON: It's a 7:30 show. 754 00:51:05,192 --> 00:51:07,194 -Nothing is there now? -That's right. 755 00:51:07,368 --> 00:51:10,110 Just the stuff that was left here. 756 00:51:10,284 --> 00:51:12,373 Two speakers and the organ, and that's all set up. 757 00:51:12,547 --> 00:51:15,246 The stage is all set up, but there's nothing else there. 758 00:51:16,986 --> 00:51:19,728 The gear was just the gear that I was used to using. 759 00:51:19,902 --> 00:51:21,904 It was good microphones. 760 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,472 They were all individually mic'ed. 761 00:51:24,646 --> 00:51:27,258 There was one microphone for everybody, 762 00:51:27,432 --> 00:51:29,695 maybe two microphones for Bob. 763 00:51:31,523 --> 00:51:32,524 DYLAN: Thank you. 764 00:51:43,578 --> 00:51:45,624 ALDERSON: There wasn't any theory. 765 00:51:45,798 --> 00:51:51,151 There wasn't any map to follow about how you mic an electric band. 766 00:52:01,509 --> 00:52:05,557 It was just the way the music sounded on stage. 767 00:52:05,731 --> 00:52:08,864 There was all one mix, so I had to compromise. 768 00:52:09,038 --> 00:52:14,740 I mean, most of the concern was about the music and about the performances, 769 00:52:14,914 --> 00:52:19,397 and the recordings were just whatever went out into the hall. 770 00:52:19,571 --> 00:52:21,573 We'd all listen to the tapes afterwards. 771 00:52:21,747 --> 00:52:24,750 I made some changes and it definitely got better. 772 00:52:25,968 --> 00:52:30,451 He was singing wonderfully and performing wonderfully, 773 00:52:30,625 --> 00:52:34,673 and the songs were very exciting, and I was wrapped up in that. 774 00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:36,718 I don't know. 775 00:52:36,892 --> 00:52:38,633 You put good microphones up in front of good music 776 00:52:38,807 --> 00:52:40,287 and it sounds good. 777 00:52:41,897 --> 00:52:44,639 ♪ Yes, but the joke was on me 778 00:52:44,813 --> 00:52:51,603 ♪ There was nobody even there to call my bluff 779 00:52:51,777 --> 00:52:54,519 ♪ I'm going back to New York City 780 00:52:54,693 --> 00:53:01,265 ♪ I do believe I've had enough ♪ 781 00:53:03,354 --> 00:53:07,488 ALDERSON: I mean, obviously, the musicians played their asses off. 782 00:53:07,662 --> 00:53:10,491 It wasn't even like the studio recordings 783 00:53:10,665 --> 00:53:13,451 or like the performance at Newport 784 00:53:13,625 --> 00:53:16,323 because Mickey Jones was a much louder drummer 785 00:53:16,497 --> 00:53:18,586 and much more aggressive drummer 786 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,111 than anybody else that had played with him before. 787 00:53:22,286 --> 00:53:25,202 And it drove the music harder. 788 00:53:25,376 --> 00:53:28,770 It made Robbie play some of the greatest stuff 789 00:53:28,944 --> 00:53:30,642 he ever played in his life. 790 00:53:30,816 --> 00:53:32,296 [CROWD CHEERING] 791 00:53:36,038 --> 00:53:39,825 The Paris show was problematic for any number of reasons. 792 00:53:41,043 --> 00:53:42,219 [STRUMMING] 793 00:53:45,004 --> 00:53:46,223 [TUNING] 794 00:53:49,443 --> 00:53:52,664 You see, my electric guitar never goes out of tune. 795 00:53:52,838 --> 00:53:55,536 [CROWD LAUGHS] 796 00:53:55,710 --> 00:53:59,192 ALDERSON: Bob took forever tuning his guitar, I think, just to irritate everybody. 797 00:53:59,366 --> 00:54:02,543 He took like 20 minutes to tune his guitar. 798 00:54:03,544 --> 00:54:07,287 The audience was hostile from the get-go. 799 00:54:07,461 --> 00:54:09,289 -[CHUCKLES] -[CROWD SHOUTING] 800 00:54:10,377 --> 00:54:12,205 Oh, I love you. [LAUGHS DRYLY] 801 00:54:13,162 --> 00:54:14,903 You're all so wonderful. 802 00:54:16,078 --> 00:54:19,386 ALDERSON: They had an attitude about America already, 803 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,738 that we were a bunch of fascist warmongers. 804 00:54:23,912 --> 00:54:27,307 They opened the second half with the biggest American flag 805 00:54:27,481 --> 00:54:29,396 that Bob could find in Paris. 806 00:54:29,570 --> 00:54:32,486 And the audience didn't get the joke at all. 807 00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:35,750 ♪ Tell me, momma 808 00:54:37,926 --> 00:54:40,407 ♪ Tell me, momma 809 00:54:42,366 --> 00:54:45,499 ♪ Tell me, momma, what is it? 810 00:54:46,587 --> 00:54:52,985 ♪ What's wrong with you this time? ♪ 811 00:54:55,335 --> 00:54:57,468 ALDERSON: It was kind of dismissed. 812 00:54:58,643 --> 00:55:02,690 The recordings weren't very important. 813 00:55:03,212 --> 00:55:04,910 It broke my heart. 814 00:55:05,084 --> 00:55:08,130 And Columbia just mishandled it 815 00:55:08,305 --> 00:55:09,741 because they wanted to use their tapes. 816 00:55:09,915 --> 00:55:12,961 And they'd sent expensive crews over. 817 00:55:13,135 --> 00:55:16,574 And the fact that Bob wanted to use my recording 818 00:55:16,748 --> 00:55:22,754 was not compatible with their desires. 819 00:55:22,928 --> 00:55:26,584 I think Grossman told me to take the tapes to Columbia 820 00:55:26,758 --> 00:55:29,674 and turn them over, and that was it. 821 00:55:29,848 --> 00:55:30,936 I never saw them again. 822 00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:34,331 I wanted the tapes to sound good. 823 00:55:34,505 --> 00:55:37,116 I don't know why because... 824 00:55:37,290 --> 00:55:38,987 [LAUGHS] 825 00:55:39,161 --> 00:55:42,556 I didn't know till now that they would ever become anything. 826 00:55:42,730 --> 00:55:46,952 And I'm glad that it's getting appreciated after all this time. 827 00:55:47,953 --> 00:55:50,477 ♪ Just Louise 828 00:55:50,651 --> 00:55:55,352 ♪ And her lover so entwined 829 00:55:58,093 --> 00:56:03,142 ♪ And these visions of Johanna 830 00:56:03,316 --> 00:56:07,973 ♪ That conquer my mind ♪ 831 00:56:30,474 --> 00:56:33,868 NARRATOR: The year is 1967. 832 00:56:34,042 --> 00:56:36,044 It's winter in West Saugerties, 833 00:56:36,218 --> 00:56:39,961 a small town about a two-hour drive north of Manhattan. 834 00:56:40,135 --> 00:56:44,052 Here, Bob Dylan is laid up recovering from a motorcycle accident, 835 00:56:44,226 --> 00:56:48,579 a canceled tour and the newfound pressures of fame. 836 00:56:48,753 --> 00:56:51,712 "Escaping the rat race," Dylan said. 837 00:56:52,539 --> 00:56:55,020 His touring group lived nearby. 838 00:56:55,194 --> 00:56:56,804 They're called The Hawks, 839 00:56:56,978 --> 00:56:59,590 but we'd soon come to know them as "The Band." 840 00:56:59,764 --> 00:57:03,028 ♪ With another tale to tell 841 00:57:04,812 --> 00:57:09,556 ♪ And you know that we shall meet again... 842 00:57:09,730 --> 00:57:11,602 NARRATOR: Together with Bob Dylan in the basement 843 00:57:11,776 --> 00:57:14,082 of a little country house called Big Pink, 844 00:57:14,256 --> 00:57:19,479 they start recording originals, country, folk and rockabilly classics, 845 00:57:19,653 --> 00:57:21,786 song sketches and ideas. 846 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,833 Over the course of a year, they have reels of new songs, 847 00:57:26,007 --> 00:57:28,357 but none of it would see the light of day. 848 00:57:28,532 --> 00:57:30,751 No, these were demos 849 00:57:30,925 --> 00:57:33,711 made to hand over to Dylan's publishing company. 850 00:57:33,885 --> 00:57:36,365 Music for other artists to record. 851 00:57:36,540 --> 00:57:39,368 The cover versions come almost overnight. 852 00:57:39,543 --> 00:57:42,546 And what happens next surprises everyone. 853 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,854 ♪ If your memory serves you well 854 00:57:47,594 --> 00:57:49,291 ♪ I was goin' to... 855 00:57:49,466 --> 00:57:52,947 NARRATOR: The songs, they spark a public demand. 856 00:57:53,121 --> 00:57:54,775 They want the originals. 857 00:57:54,949 --> 00:57:57,517 Demo tapes recorded in a country basement 858 00:57:57,691 --> 00:57:59,737 have found a following. 859 00:57:59,911 --> 00:58:01,739 And by 1969 860 00:58:01,913 --> 00:58:05,438 the first bootleg of the modern rock 'n' roll age appears 861 00:58:05,612 --> 00:58:08,180 calledGreat White Wonder. 862 00:58:13,794 --> 00:58:16,101 The album compiles the basement recordings 863 00:58:16,275 --> 00:58:19,626 and some lesser known Dylan tracks into one album. 864 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,715 More bootlegs follow more demand, 865 00:58:21,889 --> 00:58:24,849 and soon an underground industry is born. 866 00:58:25,458 --> 00:58:27,547 Eventually, in 1975, 867 00:58:27,721 --> 00:58:31,290 Dylan and The Band bend to the demand for the real deal 868 00:58:31,464 --> 00:58:34,336 and they release The Basement Tapes. 869 00:58:34,511 --> 00:58:38,819 The record is an instant success, but you know how it goes. 870 00:58:38,993 --> 00:58:43,215 The fans,[CHUCKLES] they want more, to hear it all, to know it all. 871 00:58:43,389 --> 00:58:45,609 ♪ ...next of kin 872 00:58:45,783 --> 00:58:50,744 ♪ This wheel shall explode... 873 00:58:50,918 --> 00:58:52,833 NARRATOR: It's been 47 years 874 00:58:53,007 --> 00:58:55,793 since Bob Dylan and The Band made that two-hour drive 875 00:58:55,967 --> 00:58:58,360 north of New York City to Big Pink. 876 00:58:58,535 --> 00:59:03,583 And the fans[CHUCKLES] were still curious aboutThe Basement Tapes. 877 00:59:03,757 --> 00:59:06,020 Are there more hidden reels to be discovered? 878 00:59:06,194 --> 00:59:09,937 What do the original recordings really sound like? 879 00:59:10,111 --> 00:59:16,074 Forty-seven years we've wondered, and now we get to find out. 880 00:59:16,727 --> 00:59:21,166 ♪ This wheel's on fire 881 00:59:21,340 --> 00:59:28,608 ♪ It's rolling down the road 882 00:59:28,782 --> 00:59:34,658 ♪ Best notify my next of kin 883 00:59:34,832 --> 00:59:41,708 ♪ This wheel shall explode ♪ 884 00:59:48,976 --> 00:59:53,241 GREIL MARCUS: In early '68, this guy calls me up 885 00:59:53,415 --> 00:59:55,853 and we do the equivalent of a dope deal, 886 00:59:56,027 --> 00:59:57,985 except there's no money involved. 887 00:59:58,159 --> 01:00:01,772 He surreptitiously hands me this cassette and said, 888 01:00:01,946 --> 01:00:04,035 "Don't tell anybody where you got this." 889 01:00:05,514 --> 01:00:06,951 And I take it home and listen to it 890 01:00:07,125 --> 01:00:09,040 and call up all my friends and they come over 891 01:00:09,214 --> 01:00:12,521 and we all listen to it, completely awestruck. 892 01:00:12,696 --> 01:00:14,611 [HARMONICA PLAYING] 893 01:00:17,788 --> 01:00:19,398 CLINTON HEYLIN: To me, it's always been the Holy Grail 894 01:00:19,572 --> 01:00:21,748 to actually fondle the original reel. 895 01:00:21,922 --> 01:00:24,446 To actually... To say, "Yeah, this is it. 896 01:00:24,621 --> 01:00:26,274 "This is the real thing." 897 01:00:26,448 --> 01:00:28,886 The goal was to get as much out of the tapes as possible 898 01:00:29,060 --> 01:00:31,715 and to allow you to be on the stairs 899 01:00:31,889 --> 01:00:33,412 that led down to the basement 900 01:00:33,586 --> 01:00:34,935 so you could hear, "What are those guys playing?" 901 01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:36,371 You're in the room. You're right there. 902 01:00:36,545 --> 01:00:38,417 You feel people breathing. 903 01:00:38,591 --> 01:00:42,769 Everything that's been mythologized or turned into legend 904 01:00:42,943 --> 01:00:45,119 on behalf of what happened in that Woodstock basement 905 01:00:45,293 --> 01:00:47,252 in the summer of '67 is true. 906 01:00:47,426 --> 01:00:51,430 The history of the reels themselves. It's like a detective story. 907 01:00:51,604 --> 01:00:54,302 Robbie told me he remembered Bob saying, 908 01:00:54,476 --> 01:00:58,132 "We ought to destroy this stuff. We ought to just erase it." 909 01:00:58,306 --> 01:01:01,701 What if we recorded songs that could never be released? 910 01:01:01,875 --> 01:01:03,442 What would they sound like? 911 01:01:03,616 --> 01:01:05,052 That's what you're hearing. 912 01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:11,406 I think The Basement Tapes stars. 913 01:01:11,580 --> 01:01:14,627 I think there's no question with that world tour of '65-'66. 914 01:01:14,801 --> 01:01:16,629 HEYLIN: They were unbelievably grueling shows 915 01:01:16,803 --> 01:01:19,197 because, of course, everywhere Bob went, 916 01:01:19,371 --> 01:01:22,461 he was badly received by sections of the audience. 917 01:01:22,635 --> 01:01:28,249 At some shows, a large section of the audience turned on him. 918 01:01:28,423 --> 01:01:29,729 [CROWD SHOUTING] 919 01:01:29,903 --> 01:01:32,123 Usually during the electric set. 920 01:01:32,297 --> 01:01:33,820 DYLAN: This is a folk song. 921 01:01:34,995 --> 01:01:37,171 This is a folk song. I wanna sing a folk song now. 922 01:01:37,345 --> 01:01:38,738 [CROWD CHEERING] 923 01:01:40,479 --> 01:01:44,091 People did feel that something had been taken away from them. 924 01:01:44,265 --> 01:01:48,792 Or something beautiful had been destroyed by Bob Dylan 925 01:01:48,966 --> 01:01:54,188 leaving the music of the people behind and going for the charts. 926 01:01:54,362 --> 01:02:01,065 It's taken as this outrage, as this sellout, as this betrayal. 927 01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:03,154 Dylan talked about it afterwards, 928 01:02:03,328 --> 01:02:05,983 he talked about it with a sense of great defiance. 929 01:02:06,157 --> 01:02:07,549 Don't you think your first records 930 01:02:07,724 --> 01:02:09,900 were much better than the ones that you do now? 931 01:02:10,074 --> 01:02:11,640 Who said that? 932 01:02:11,815 --> 01:02:13,991 MARCUS: The sense of, you know, "Fuck you. 933 01:02:14,165 --> 01:02:15,906 "This is the music I'm making, this is the music I want to sing, 934 01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,734 "this is the music I want to play. 935 01:02:17,908 --> 01:02:20,432 "If you don't like it, stay away." 936 01:02:20,606 --> 01:02:23,043 Didn't you boo me last night? 937 01:02:23,217 --> 01:02:25,089 -I didn't, I didn't. Please, just a minute. -We didn't boo you, Bob. 938 01:02:25,263 --> 01:02:28,570 DYLAN: Well, I want the names of all of people that booed me. 939 01:02:28,745 --> 01:02:30,703 DYLAN: First half, when they're all so quiet. 940 01:02:30,877 --> 01:02:33,227 I'll just break it, right? I'll play four or five songs. 941 01:02:33,401 --> 01:02:37,057 They just don't make a sound. All of a sudden, "Boo." 942 01:02:37,231 --> 01:02:38,363 [LAUGHTER] 943 01:02:39,277 --> 01:02:41,670 Boo. 944 01:02:41,845 --> 01:02:44,543 MARCUS: Robbie Robertson, Richard Manuel, Rick Danko, Garth Hudson 945 01:02:44,717 --> 01:02:47,111 Levon Helm, they become Bob Dylan's band. 946 01:02:47,285 --> 01:02:50,418 These guys are now a band of brothers. 947 01:02:50,592 --> 01:02:52,725 This brings these people together. 948 01:02:52,899 --> 01:02:54,901 By the time they reach the United Kingdom 949 01:02:55,075 --> 01:02:59,601 in the spring of April 1966, 950 01:02:59,776 --> 01:03:01,865 they're meeting audiences that made 951 01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:06,043 the angry audiences they faced before look like nothing. 952 01:03:06,217 --> 01:03:07,914 This is a war. 953 01:03:08,088 --> 01:03:12,266 People come in organized groups in order to stage walkouts. 954 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,748 In other words, they're paying money not to see the show. 955 01:03:15,922 --> 01:03:18,490 We paid to see a flipping folk singer, not a... 956 01:03:18,664 --> 01:03:20,144 Not a big loser. 957 01:03:20,318 --> 01:03:21,319 MAN: Judas! 958 01:03:21,493 --> 01:03:22,799 [CROWD SHOUTING] 959 01:03:26,759 --> 01:03:28,239 I don't believe you. 960 01:03:32,286 --> 01:03:33,766 You're a liar. 961 01:03:33,940 --> 01:03:35,942 MARCUS: The effects were apocalyptic. 962 01:03:37,248 --> 01:03:41,339 In Torrance it's July '65, with people booing him. 963 01:03:41,513 --> 01:03:43,167 You can't do that for a year 964 01:03:43,341 --> 01:03:44,995 without it getting to you at some point. 965 01:03:45,169 --> 01:03:50,087 Effectively, you can carry on for so long like that. 966 01:03:50,261 --> 01:03:54,134 But when you get to the end, there's a crash. 967 01:03:54,308 --> 01:03:56,354 And the crash can be metaphoric, 968 01:03:56,528 --> 01:04:00,271 or, as proved to be the case in Dylan's life, literal. 969 01:04:07,104 --> 01:04:11,108 GRIFFIN: After that long, grueling tour, he was going to take a break. 970 01:04:11,282 --> 01:04:13,066 June 1st, 1966. 971 01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,156 He was going to kick back up at the Yale Bowl on August 2, 1966, 972 01:04:17,027 --> 01:04:18,419 another whole leg of shows, 973 01:04:18,593 --> 01:04:20,900 and Dylan went back to Woodstock to relax. 974 01:04:21,074 --> 01:04:22,641 They're supposed to be going back on the road 975 01:04:22,815 --> 01:04:24,991 to promote his new album, 976 01:04:25,165 --> 01:04:27,298 which had only come out a couple of weeks before the accident, 977 01:04:27,472 --> 01:04:28,777 Blonde on Blonde. 978 01:04:28,952 --> 01:04:30,867 Except Bob didn't want to go back on the road. 979 01:04:31,041 --> 01:04:34,827 He decides, "I'm not going back to this crazy life, 980 01:04:35,001 --> 01:04:38,178 "at least for a while. I'm gone." 981 01:04:38,744 --> 01:04:40,789 This is 1966. 982 01:04:40,964 --> 01:04:44,576 He doesn't go back on the road again till 1974. 983 01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:46,534 That's a long time. 984 01:04:46,708 --> 01:04:48,580 Dylan took a year-a-half 985 01:04:48,754 --> 01:04:51,322 betweenBlonde on Blonde andJohn Wesley Harding. 986 01:04:51,496 --> 01:04:55,543 People referred to this as the period of silence. 987 01:04:55,717 --> 01:05:01,767 As if is that this was some kind of a strange violation 988 01:05:01,941 --> 01:05:04,683 of the rules of time and space. 989 01:05:04,857 --> 01:05:07,164 In record business terms, it was. 990 01:05:07,338 --> 01:05:10,297 GRIFFIN: The guy's 25 years old. He's had this motorcycle accident. 991 01:05:10,471 --> 01:05:14,084 He has to come up with some sort of a battle plan. 992 01:05:14,258 --> 01:05:16,608 And this is one reason I find him so infatuating. 993 01:05:16,782 --> 01:05:19,002 I think in a way, he does it. 994 01:05:19,176 --> 01:05:22,092 He knows he wants to regress but he doesn't know exactly how. 995 01:05:22,266 --> 01:05:24,137 When he finally gets better, 996 01:05:24,311 --> 01:05:26,009 I think it was that point that Dylan had the moment of, 997 01:05:26,183 --> 01:05:28,054 "What am I doing with my life? 998 01:05:28,228 --> 01:05:32,363 "Could we not stop for a moment and reassess where we are 999 01:05:32,537 --> 01:05:34,582 "and where I, Bob Dylan, want to go?" 1000 01:05:34,756 --> 01:05:38,499 MARCUS: Dylan is saying, "No, I'm not giving you a new album. 1001 01:05:38,673 --> 01:05:41,198 "No, I'm not going back on tour. 1002 01:05:41,372 --> 01:05:43,113 "No, no. 1003 01:05:43,287 --> 01:05:46,943 "I've got a note from my doctor says I don't have to do this. 1004 01:05:47,117 --> 01:05:49,946 "I can stay home." And that's what he did. 1005 01:05:54,994 --> 01:05:57,649 HEYLIN: This is January '67. 1006 01:05:57,823 --> 01:06:02,349 So they have been recording and Bob had ideas for a film. 1007 01:06:02,523 --> 01:06:04,569 Originally, the idea of getting the guys 1008 01:06:04,743 --> 01:06:07,093 to come up to Woodstock was actually to work on that. 1009 01:06:07,267 --> 01:06:08,921 GRIFFIN: And they're initially filmed backing 1010 01:06:09,095 --> 01:06:11,837 Tiny Tim singing in the snow one morning. 1011 01:06:12,011 --> 01:06:14,971 And then they continue on with other things. 1012 01:06:15,145 --> 01:06:17,582 MARCUS: And they work on the movie or they don't work on the movie. 1013 01:06:17,756 --> 01:06:21,803 And they're bored. What are they going to do? 1014 01:06:21,978 --> 01:06:24,241 That's the way these songs came together. 1015 01:06:24,415 --> 01:06:27,809 HEYLIN: Initially, it was just that, getting back into playing music. 1016 01:06:27,984 --> 01:06:30,421 Not making music, but playing music. 1017 01:06:43,825 --> 01:06:47,786 GRIFFIN: Initial sessions are held in the Red Room, Bob Dylan's own house. 1018 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,527 And in typical Bob Dylan fashion, 1019 01:06:49,701 --> 01:06:52,312 I can report to you now that the Red Room wasn't red. 1020 01:06:52,486 --> 01:06:55,794 It had previously been red, but it had been painted by the Dylans. 1021 01:06:55,968 --> 01:06:58,144 The point of the Red Room sessions is 1022 01:06:58,318 --> 01:07:00,625 it's where Bob Dylan starts to get his mojo back. 1023 01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:02,714 ♪ Ooh, baby, ooh... ♪ 1024 01:07:02,888 --> 01:07:05,108 They got all this equipment together to record this stuff, 1025 01:07:05,282 --> 01:07:07,284 and I can just see all The Hawks going... 1026 01:07:07,458 --> 01:07:11,505 Garth, you know, you could figure out how that works, right? 1027 01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:13,855 DYLAN: Once you set it up, you can see how it's recording. 1028 01:07:14,030 --> 01:07:15,205 [GUITAR PLAYING] 1029 01:07:17,294 --> 01:07:22,168 ♪ Well, we're living on the edge of the ocean 1030 01:07:22,342 --> 01:07:27,478 ♪ With the mocking rumble ready to drown... ♪ 1031 01:07:27,652 --> 01:07:29,871 STEVE BERKOWITZ: Fortunately, in this case, Garth Hudson 1032 01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:34,267 is a very meticulous person who seemed to be the responsible party 1033 01:07:34,441 --> 01:07:36,704 to put the tape recorder on top of his organ 1034 01:07:36,878 --> 01:07:39,838 and a couple of mixers with microphones 1035 01:07:40,012 --> 01:07:42,754 leading in an experiment how to record. 1036 01:07:42,928 --> 01:07:48,238 Red Room tapes. My understanding is that the microphone was put 1037 01:07:48,412 --> 01:07:51,241 on top of a Wurlitzer electric panel which was being played, 1038 01:07:51,415 --> 01:07:54,200 it was like a little broadcast mic stand without rubber feet. 1039 01:07:54,374 --> 01:07:56,115 The mic is picking up that vibration, 1040 01:07:56,289 --> 01:07:58,204 and some of that stuff's pretty distorted, 1041 01:07:58,378 --> 01:08:00,641 but there's still good music that you can hear through it. 1042 01:08:07,213 --> 01:08:09,694 GRIFFIN: They leave Dylan's house and they go where? 1043 01:08:09,868 --> 01:08:12,349 Well, they're going to go to where the guys... 1044 01:08:12,523 --> 01:08:15,569 There's no female presence, there's no family. 1045 01:08:15,743 --> 01:08:19,399 There's no one to really bother, so they go to Big Pink. 1046 01:08:19,573 --> 01:08:23,229 Rick Danko said, "You have to understand." 1047 01:08:23,403 --> 01:08:25,362 He said, "This was a club house." 1048 01:08:26,537 --> 01:08:27,973 It was wonderful. 1049 01:08:28,147 --> 01:08:29,670 GRIFFIN: Big Pink's on the side of a hill. 1050 01:08:29,844 --> 01:08:31,585 It's calledThe Basement Tapes 1051 01:08:31,759 --> 01:08:33,152 because you leave the kitchen and walk down to it. 1052 01:08:39,245 --> 01:08:42,379 ♪ Oh, you sound so sweet ♪ 1053 01:08:44,903 --> 01:08:46,600 And they started recording, 1054 01:08:46,774 --> 01:08:51,214 where the lion's share were done in the basement of Big Pink. 1055 01:08:53,694 --> 01:08:57,089 ♪ Well, those old whole back-strappers 1056 01:08:57,263 --> 01:08:58,786 ♪ A re a dime a dozen 1057 01:09:01,267 --> 01:09:04,140 ♪ And I can get a cup for a nickel 1058 01:09:05,837 --> 01:09:10,494 ♪ Look what an earful I get and it's awful, too 1059 01:09:10,668 --> 01:09:13,540 ♪ Every time I try to go get a little tickle 1060 01:09:15,368 --> 01:09:20,678 ♪ Flies from dawn to dawn 1061 01:09:20,852 --> 01:09:23,115 ♪ Look at that old floor-bird He just... 1062 01:09:23,289 --> 01:09:27,250 ♪ Flies from dawn to dawn 1063 01:09:27,424 --> 01:09:28,425 ♪ What a floor-bird He... 1064 01:09:28,599 --> 01:09:33,952 ♪ Flies from dawn to dawn... ♪ 1065 01:09:34,126 --> 01:09:38,391 And at some point, somebody flicks the trigger. 1066 01:09:38,565 --> 01:09:42,265 You know, and suddenly the floodgates open. 1067 01:09:43,657 --> 01:09:45,616 It's speculation when that happens. 1068 01:09:45,790 --> 01:09:49,272 The evidence would appear to be Tiny Montgomery, 1069 01:09:49,446 --> 01:09:51,274 which is one of the acetate songs. 1070 01:09:51,448 --> 01:09:53,145 It's the first one to be recorded. 1071 01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:56,496 ♪ Well, you can tell everybody down in ol' Frisco 1072 01:09:56,670 --> 01:10:00,413 ♪ Tell 'em Tiny Montgomery says hello 1073 01:10:07,768 --> 01:10:11,337 ♪ Now every boy and girl's gonna get their bang 1074 01:10:11,511 --> 01:10:15,341 ♪ 'Cause Tiny Montgomery's gonna shake that thing 1075 01:10:15,515 --> 01:10:18,518 ♪ Tell everybody down in ol' Frisco 1076 01:10:18,692 --> 01:10:23,088 ♪ That Tiny Montgomery's comin' down to say hello ♪ 1077 01:10:23,262 --> 01:10:25,743 And, suddenly, all the imagery 1078 01:10:25,917 --> 01:10:28,354 and all the ideas that are gonna make The Basement Tapes 1079 01:10:28,528 --> 01:10:30,965 this extraordinary body of work come together in one song, 1080 01:10:31,139 --> 01:10:32,315 and it's there. 1081 01:10:37,537 --> 01:10:41,019 And it kind of opens up the history of American popular music 1082 01:10:41,193 --> 01:10:46,894 in this extraordinary way for these guys during these sessions. 1083 01:10:47,068 --> 01:10:49,810 DYLAN: You come in on the second line all the time, it's very easy... 1084 01:10:49,984 --> 01:10:53,292 Robbie said at one point, "Bob was very subtle about this." 1085 01:10:53,466 --> 01:10:55,642 ♪ Well, the high sheriff... 1086 01:10:55,816 --> 01:10:58,384 MARCUS: But he was taking us to school. 1087 01:10:58,558 --> 01:10:59,994 He had prepped for this. 1088 01:11:01,909 --> 01:11:05,043 These very sessions when he would just drop in. 1089 01:11:05,217 --> 01:11:08,525 ♪ Johnny Todd, he took a notion 1090 01:11:08,699 --> 01:11:12,006 ♪ For to cross the ocean wide ♪ 1091 01:11:12,180 --> 01:11:15,749 He'd come over with something he wanted them to learn. 1092 01:11:15,923 --> 01:11:20,101 Folk, blues, country music, 1093 01:11:20,276 --> 01:11:24,367 child ballads, contemporary folk music. 1094 01:11:24,541 --> 01:11:26,717 Bob Dylan was teaching them. 1095 01:11:26,891 --> 01:11:28,936 So here are these people. 1096 01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:30,373 They learned to trust each other. 1097 01:11:30,547 --> 01:11:32,766 They can pick up each other's cues. 1098 01:11:32,940 --> 01:11:35,073 Nothing needs to be explained. 1099 01:11:35,247 --> 01:11:37,423 They can work out arrangements together. 1100 01:11:37,597 --> 01:11:41,209 They are all speaking the same language, 1101 01:11:41,384 --> 01:11:43,342 and it's their language. 1102 01:11:43,516 --> 01:11:46,171 And in a way, that's what The Basement Tapesare. 1103 01:11:46,345 --> 01:11:48,260 It's five people, 1104 01:11:48,434 --> 01:11:51,394 later six, speaking their own language. 1105 01:11:52,133 --> 01:11:54,962 ♪ Tears of rage 1106 01:11:55,136 --> 01:11:58,618 ♪ Tears of grief 1107 01:11:58,792 --> 01:12:05,451 ♪ Why am I always the one who must be the thief? 1108 01:12:05,625 --> 01:12:11,457 ♪ Come to me now You know we're so alone 1109 01:12:12,763 --> 01:12:18,334 ♪ And life is brief... ♪ 1110 01:12:19,726 --> 01:12:23,208 Once the dam burst, I mean, it really burst. 1111 01:12:23,382 --> 01:12:26,124 I mean, he just... He seems to have been 1112 01:12:26,298 --> 01:12:29,519 turning out masterpieces on an almost daily basis. [CHUCKLES] 1113 01:12:29,693 --> 01:12:32,173 GRIFFIN: An acetate is a recording. 1114 01:12:32,348 --> 01:12:36,743 You give it to Jane or Joe so they can hear the song and learn it. 1115 01:12:36,917 --> 01:12:40,312 BERKOWITZ: There were some acetates made that got distributed 1116 01:12:40,486 --> 01:12:42,575 for the purpose of publishing demos. 1117 01:12:42,749 --> 01:12:45,056 I think they decided to do the acetate 1118 01:12:45,230 --> 01:12:47,145 once they'd recorded a whole slew 1119 01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:52,411 of original songs that sounded great, that they were proud of. 1120 01:12:53,456 --> 01:12:55,936 They weren't just fooling around. 1121 01:12:56,110 --> 01:12:57,721 They weren't just experiments. 1122 01:12:57,895 --> 01:12:59,375 These songs are demanding 1123 01:12:59,549 --> 01:13:02,421 from the musicians who made them, "Finish me." 1124 01:13:02,595 --> 01:13:05,163 And that's what happens with Tears of Rage, 1125 01:13:05,337 --> 01:13:08,862 I Shall be Released, Too Much of Nothing, 1126 01:13:09,036 --> 01:13:10,560 and so many other songs. 1127 01:13:12,431 --> 01:13:14,433 ♪ Too much of nothing 1128 01:13:14,607 --> 01:13:17,610 ♪ Can make a man ill at ease 1129 01:13:20,352 --> 01:13:21,962 ♪ One man's temper rises 1130 01:13:22,136 --> 01:13:25,009 ♪ Where another man's temper might freeze 1131 01:13:28,099 --> 01:13:34,018 ♪ Too much of nothing can make a man feel ill at ease 1132 01:13:34,192 --> 01:13:36,586 ♪ One man's temper might rise 1133 01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,371 ♪ While the other man's temper might freeze... ♪ 1134 01:13:39,545 --> 01:13:41,199 The hits that came out of The Basement Tapes 1135 01:13:41,373 --> 01:13:42,548 were people like The Byrds 1136 01:13:42,722 --> 01:13:43,854 and Manfred Mann and Fairport Convention. 1137 01:13:44,028 --> 01:13:45,029 Quinn the Eskimo. 1138 01:13:45,203 --> 01:13:46,596 How the guys in Manfred Mann 1139 01:13:46,770 --> 01:13:48,641 picked that and pulled it out, it's great. 1140 01:13:48,815 --> 01:13:53,385 ♪ Come all without Come all within 1141 01:13:53,559 --> 01:13:58,477 ♪ You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn 1142 01:13:58,651 --> 01:14:03,569 ♪ Come all without Come all within 1143 01:14:03,743 --> 01:14:08,531 ♪ You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn ♪ 1144 01:14:08,705 --> 01:14:11,795 You Ain't Going Nowhere is just one of the funniest things you'll ever hear. 1145 01:14:11,969 --> 01:14:15,581 Here is a song that everybody knows. The Byrds obviously put it out. 1146 01:14:15,755 --> 01:14:17,757 It's a single that's been covered a million times, 1147 01:14:17,931 --> 01:14:20,847 and it has that very, very memorable chorus. 1148 01:14:21,021 --> 01:14:22,893 "Whoo-ee, ride me high. 1149 01:14:23,067 --> 01:14:25,417 "Today is the day my bride's gonna come." 1150 01:14:25,591 --> 01:14:28,768 And suddenly you hear this version where he's almost sending himself up. 1151 01:14:28,942 --> 01:14:30,770 "You ain't no bunch of basement... 1152 01:14:30,944 --> 01:14:34,470 "You ain't no head of lettuce, just a bunch of basement noise." 1153 01:14:34,644 --> 01:14:37,473 ♪ Look here, you bunch of basement noise... 1154 01:14:37,647 --> 01:14:39,257 I mean, just, what is going on? 1155 01:14:39,431 --> 01:14:41,041 ♪ You ain't no head of lettuce 1156 01:14:41,215 --> 01:14:43,479 ♪ Feed that buzzard Lay 'em on the rug...♪ 1157 01:14:43,653 --> 01:14:45,524 Yeah, they're definitely having a good time on that one. 1158 01:14:54,054 --> 01:14:58,232 The original publishing demos start to circulate in 1968. 1159 01:14:58,406 --> 01:15:01,018 They get bootlegged on vinyl in 1969. 1160 01:15:01,192 --> 01:15:05,022 Two well-meaning long haired guys in Los Angeles, California, 1161 01:15:05,196 --> 01:15:09,853 decided that they would create a Bob Dylan album of this material 1162 01:15:10,027 --> 01:15:13,987 that they had heard, they had assembled, as Dylan fanatics 1163 01:15:14,161 --> 01:15:16,990 that no one else had heard, none of the general public had heard. 1164 01:15:17,164 --> 01:15:21,517 And they created a very haphazard two-LP set 1165 01:15:21,691 --> 01:15:23,344 called The Great White Wonder. 1166 01:15:23,519 --> 01:15:27,479 It was the first pop music bootleg of any real substance. 1167 01:15:27,653 --> 01:15:31,614 It was literally just a white cover that they had a rubber stamp made 1168 01:15:31,788 --> 01:15:33,137 that said "Great White Wonder." 1169 01:15:33,311 --> 01:15:34,747 And they went... Next. 1170 01:15:34,921 --> 01:15:36,923 It's not a great recording. 1171 01:15:37,097 --> 01:15:38,838 Some of the basement tape songs, they're running fast. 1172 01:15:39,012 --> 01:15:41,885 They didn't cut the record particularly well. 1173 01:15:42,059 --> 01:15:43,626 But how could they? 1174 01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,845 They were enthusiastic amateurs that loved Bob Dylan. 1175 01:15:46,019 --> 01:15:48,718 Who would have dreamed that in Sweden, 1176 01:15:48,892 --> 01:15:51,329 a guy took their stuff, added a couple things 1177 01:15:51,503 --> 01:15:53,461 and put out another one? 1178 01:15:53,636 --> 01:15:54,680 Who would've known a guy in New York would have, you know... 1179 01:15:54,854 --> 01:15:56,943 And this whole thing was like 1180 01:15:57,117 --> 01:16:00,599 throwing a pebble in the placid lake and the waves go like this... 1181 01:16:00,773 --> 01:16:02,993 People start bootlegging the bootleg. 1182 01:16:03,167 --> 01:16:06,518 HEYLIN: Almost immediately, and possibly even simultaneously, 1183 01:16:06,692 --> 01:16:09,477 other people who'd got hold of the full acetate 1184 01:16:09,652 --> 01:16:12,437 started issuing just the acetate. 1185 01:16:12,611 --> 01:16:15,701 And the proliferation was so extreme 1186 01:16:15,875 --> 01:16:18,269 that there's no way of cataloging who was doing what. 1187 01:16:18,443 --> 01:16:22,316 GRIFFIN: It didn't just start a minor Bob Dylan fan club. 1188 01:16:22,490 --> 01:16:24,667 It started a whole bootleg industry. 1189 01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:36,200 MARCUS: There was a cover story inRolling Stone by Jan Wenner 1190 01:16:36,374 --> 01:16:38,855 saying Bob Dylan's Basement Tape, 1191 01:16:39,029 --> 01:16:41,205 and that's what it was referred to, asThe Tape, 1192 01:16:41,379 --> 01:16:44,948 The Basement Tape, not "tapes," should be released. 1193 01:16:45,122 --> 01:16:49,169 And he made an argument about how this music not only was terrific, 1194 01:16:49,343 --> 01:16:51,345 it was a different way of looking at the world, 1195 01:16:51,519 --> 01:16:52,564 and it had to be released. 1196 01:16:52,738 --> 01:16:54,479 And why in the world wasn't it? 1197 01:16:54,653 --> 01:16:55,915 Didn't make any sense. 1198 01:16:56,089 --> 01:16:58,439 It was a secret hidden in plain sight. 1199 01:16:58,614 --> 01:17:02,052 All these songs were on the radio so why not put it out? 1200 01:17:03,053 --> 01:17:04,054 Good question. 1201 01:17:10,103 --> 01:17:12,540 By 1975, the band needed a boost, 1202 01:17:12,715 --> 01:17:16,893 and I think putting this stuff out was a way to make that happen. 1203 01:17:17,067 --> 01:17:21,506 Plus, the music was obviously stuff that the world ought to hear. 1204 01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:23,551 Even if Bob Dylan said he didn't understand 1205 01:17:23,726 --> 01:17:27,164 why it made the top 10, he thought everybody already had them. 1206 01:17:27,338 --> 01:17:29,688 HEYLIN: And Bob agreed to let them put it out. 1207 01:17:29,862 --> 01:17:31,559 GRIFFIN: I remember John Rockwell 1208 01:17:31,734 --> 01:17:34,040 inNew York Times said it was the greatest record 1209 01:17:34,214 --> 01:17:37,217 of the Western popular music sphere, period. 1210 01:17:37,391 --> 01:17:39,611 That's a paraphrasing. But he did, he wrote that. 1211 01:17:39,785 --> 01:17:42,092 When the two LP-set came out in 1975, 1212 01:17:42,266 --> 01:17:45,704 it should have, in theory, one might think quench the thirst 1213 01:17:45,878 --> 01:17:47,793 of the public for The Basement Tapes... A-ha! 1214 01:17:47,967 --> 01:17:50,622 People are going, "What the hell is this?" 1215 01:17:50,796 --> 01:17:55,888 Probably the two most famous songs on The Basement Tapes are missing. 1216 01:17:56,062 --> 01:17:59,675 I mean I Should Be Released and Mighty Quinnare not on. 1217 01:17:59,849 --> 01:18:03,287 GRIFFIN: If anything, it was like putting kerosene on that flame 1218 01:18:03,461 --> 01:18:06,769 andThe Basement Tapes myth got another rocket boost. 1219 01:18:06,943 --> 01:18:08,858 HEYLIN: Very quickly... 1220 01:18:09,946 --> 01:18:11,948 people realized that, "This isn't it. 1221 01:18:12,122 --> 01:18:13,514 "We need more." 1222 01:18:13,689 --> 01:18:15,473 "There must be more. Can't there be more?" 1223 01:18:15,647 --> 01:18:17,431 "Sure, there's more. We hope there's more." 1224 01:18:17,605 --> 01:18:19,042 And the fans got out there 1225 01:18:19,216 --> 01:18:21,348 and doing their detective work soon found out 1226 01:18:21,522 --> 01:18:23,611 these guys recorded for months. 1227 01:18:23,786 --> 01:18:25,657 Anybody else, the two-LP set would have come out, 1228 01:18:25,831 --> 01:18:28,268 "Oh, great, that's what they did. This is great. Now we've got it." 1229 01:18:28,442 --> 01:18:31,402 But the Dylan fans, they began to dig, dig, dig, 1230 01:18:31,576 --> 01:18:33,839 and they found out there was a lot more stuff done there, 1231 01:18:34,013 --> 01:18:36,320 and it took 40-something years, but here we are. 1232 01:18:36,494 --> 01:18:42,761 ♪ Ain't no more cane on the Brazos... ♪ 1233 01:18:42,935 --> 01:18:45,155 Stuff came out in dribs and drabs 1234 01:18:45,329 --> 01:18:50,290 on LPs that included tons of other stuff. 1235 01:18:50,464 --> 01:18:54,381 On tapes that people passed from hand to hand. 1236 01:18:54,555 --> 01:19:00,953 Then in 1986, several reel to reels turned up recordings 1237 01:19:01,127 --> 01:19:05,697 of Dylan and the band doing reams and reams of country and folk 1238 01:19:05,871 --> 01:19:09,353 and all this amazing material that nobody knew about. 1239 01:19:09,527 --> 01:19:12,399 And they came out on two famous double albums, bootleg. 1240 01:19:12,573 --> 01:19:16,403 Those tapes originally came from an ex-roadie of the band. 1241 01:19:16,577 --> 01:19:20,930 And then, six years later, another ex-roadie of the band 1242 01:19:21,104 --> 01:19:24,150 helped himself to another bunch of tapes that were lying around 1243 01:19:24,324 --> 01:19:28,111 in Garth's locker and released those. 1244 01:19:28,285 --> 01:19:33,246 Suddenly, the scale of the amount of material that had been recorded 1245 01:19:33,420 --> 01:19:37,294 becomes more than one could necessarily comprehend. 1246 01:19:43,300 --> 01:19:46,869 ♪ Down the street the dogs are barkin' 1247 01:19:47,043 --> 01:19:50,394 ♪ And the day is growing dark 1248 01:19:55,268 --> 01:19:58,706 ♪ 'Cause I'm one too many mornings 1249 01:19:58,881 --> 01:20:02,188 ♪ And a thousand miles 1250 01:20:07,324 --> 01:20:10,240 ♪ Behind 1251 01:20:13,983 --> 01:20:17,595 ♪ From the crossroads of my doorstep 1252 01:20:17,769 --> 01:20:19,597 ♪ My eyes, they begin to fade 1253 01:20:19,771 --> 01:20:23,644 BERKOWITZ: One Too Many Mornings with Richard and Bob singing. 1254 01:20:23,819 --> 01:20:25,995 The Richard part has been inaudible. 1255 01:20:26,169 --> 01:20:30,086 You cannot hear it because the left channel was recorded so low, 1256 01:20:30,260 --> 01:20:32,305 and we're able to raise and level the channels 1257 01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:36,527 and then get rid of a lot of the swirl of the hiss on top 1258 01:20:36,701 --> 01:20:38,834 so that their voices could be equal. 1259 01:20:39,008 --> 01:20:40,705 Now, for the first time on this set, 1260 01:20:40,879 --> 01:20:43,403 you can hear Richard and Dylan sing that song at the same time. 1261 01:20:43,577 --> 01:20:49,192 ♪ Behind... ♪ 1262 01:20:51,281 --> 01:20:54,197 We finally are getting the real basement tapes 1263 01:20:54,371 --> 01:20:56,503 because they're off the real reels. 1264 01:20:56,677 --> 01:21:00,072 And even in the instances where they can't get access 1265 01:21:00,246 --> 01:21:03,684 to the real reels, nothing is more than first generation. 1266 01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:07,340 ♪ ...someone must explain 1267 01:21:07,514 --> 01:21:09,690 ♪ That as long as it takes to do this... 1268 01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:12,215 BERKOWITZ: There is one tape called GHO 1, 1269 01:21:12,389 --> 01:21:16,306 the Garth Hudson 01 reel, which is the tape that he mixed. 1270 01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:20,310 That was the model that we went after. To how do you finish them? 1271 01:21:21,702 --> 01:21:24,009 We follow what Garth did. 1272 01:21:24,183 --> 01:21:28,492 ♪ Take heed of this and get plenty rest ♪ 1273 01:21:28,666 --> 01:21:30,450 It was great to work with Garth. 1274 01:21:30,624 --> 01:21:33,671 It was great having him be there and touch it again and bless it 1275 01:21:33,845 --> 01:21:35,978 and give his approval for it to come out. 1276 01:21:36,152 --> 01:21:39,633 It's great that we've got 30 songs that haven't been in circulation, 1277 01:21:39,807 --> 01:21:43,899 and some of which are as great as anything we've previously heard. 1278 01:21:46,553 --> 01:21:50,557 ♪ I don't hurt anymore 1279 01:21:50,731 --> 01:21:54,213 ♪ All my teardrops have dried 1280 01:21:54,387 --> 01:21:57,738 The Basement Tapes are a masterclass in Americana. 1281 01:21:57,913 --> 01:21:59,740 They help codify it. 1282 01:21:59,915 --> 01:22:01,264 They helped define it. 1283 01:22:01,438 --> 01:22:03,614 This is why the Americana Acts of today 1284 01:22:03,788 --> 01:22:06,051 all revereThe Basement Tapes. 1285 01:22:06,225 --> 01:22:07,966 It's why I feel The Basement Tapes 1286 01:22:08,140 --> 01:22:10,142 and so many others feel The Basement Tapes are important. 1287 01:22:10,316 --> 01:22:12,275 If you allow me to say the inverted commas, "important." 1288 01:22:12,449 --> 01:22:16,235 Certain records and moments in time are culturally important. 1289 01:22:16,409 --> 01:22:18,890 And the basement in Woodstock is one of those times. 1290 01:22:19,064 --> 01:22:21,806 MARCUS: These people... Think about it. 1291 01:22:21,980 --> 01:22:23,764 They're looking at the past. 1292 01:22:23,939 --> 01:22:27,768 ♪ If your memory serves you well... 1293 01:22:27,943 --> 01:22:32,295 And they're learning from the past, and they're listening to the past. 1294 01:22:32,469 --> 01:22:35,472 ♪ ...again and wait 1295 01:22:35,646 --> 01:22:38,910 ♪ So I'm going to unpack all my things... ♪ 1296 01:22:39,084 --> 01:22:43,001 But the idea that if the past isn't alive in you, 1297 01:22:43,175 --> 01:22:45,482 then the future will be empty. 1298 01:22:45,656 --> 01:22:47,353 That's what the music says. 1299 01:22:49,094 --> 01:22:51,227 That's what was so different. 1300 01:22:53,533 --> 01:22:59,583 The notion that these guys are 23, 24, 25 is just nuts. 1301 01:22:59,757 --> 01:23:02,412 BERKOWITZ: The "Holy Grail" as some people say. 1302 01:23:04,022 --> 01:23:05,981 Maybe it's the ultimate bootleg. 1303 01:23:06,155 --> 01:23:08,809 Maybe it because when you talk about bootlegs, 1304 01:23:08,984 --> 01:23:11,508 what has been more desired than this? 1305 01:23:11,682 --> 01:23:13,989 ♪ This wheel's on fire 1306 01:23:14,163 --> 01:23:21,561 ♪ Rolling down the road 1307 01:23:21,735 --> 01:23:27,654 ♪ Best notify my next of kin 1308 01:23:27,828 --> 01:23:33,399 ♪ This wheel shall explode ♪ 1309 01:23:44,323 --> 01:23:46,456 DARIUS RUCKER: Something that Dylan's had over his career, 1310 01:23:46,630 --> 01:23:48,719 he tries these things, everybody goes, "I don't know." 1311 01:23:48,893 --> 01:23:50,677 And he does it and we get it. 1312 01:23:50,851 --> 01:23:52,766 We go, "Absolutely." 1313 01:23:52,940 --> 01:23:55,769 JASON ISBELL: I don't see him attempting to reinvent himself. 1314 01:23:55,943 --> 01:23:57,597 People say that, you know. 1315 01:23:57,771 --> 01:23:59,773 But I don't see that. 1316 01:23:59,947 --> 01:24:02,515 I see him writing songs and going, "What kind of songs do I have?" 1317 01:24:02,689 --> 01:24:05,997 ROSANNE CASH: Bob Dylan came from New York to recordJohn Wesley Harding 1318 01:24:06,171 --> 01:24:11,220 and Nashville Skyline, and it was a revolution. 1319 01:24:11,394 --> 01:24:14,962 ♪ All of these awful things that I have heard 1320 01:24:15,137 --> 01:24:16,834 ♪ I don't want to believe them 1321 01:24:17,008 --> 01:24:18,836 ♪ All I want is your word 1322 01:24:19,010 --> 01:24:22,840 ♪ So, darling you better come through 1323 01:24:23,014 --> 01:24:25,669 ♪ Tell me that it isn't true 1324 01:24:25,843 --> 01:24:29,890 ROSANNE: It was a revolution in music, in attitude 1325 01:24:30,065 --> 01:24:33,546 and understanding how incredibly powerful 1326 01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:38,334 the cross pollination of country and folk and rock was, 1327 01:24:39,248 --> 01:24:41,598 and natural for the time. 1328 01:24:44,427 --> 01:24:49,258 Here was a guy who was, in his way, a revolutionary. 1329 01:24:49,432 --> 01:24:54,654 Bob had an enormous impact on what was going on in Nashville. 1330 01:24:54,828 --> 01:24:58,049 He was following his instincts to seek out these musicians 1331 01:24:58,223 --> 01:25:00,269 because it was inspiring to him. 1332 01:25:01,096 --> 01:25:04,795 ♪ I pity the poor immigrant 1333 01:25:04,969 --> 01:25:07,537 ♪ Who tramples through the mud ♪ 1334 01:25:07,711 --> 01:25:09,539 A soon as I heard Dylan, 1335 01:25:09,713 --> 01:25:13,456 I realized that he needed country background. 1336 01:25:13,630 --> 01:25:16,981 He needed the kind of musicians we didn't have in New York. 1337 01:25:17,155 --> 01:25:20,071 The kind of people who work with people like Johnny Cash. 1338 01:25:20,245 --> 01:25:24,554 Dad carried a record player on the road with him on tour 1339 01:25:24,728 --> 01:25:28,601 and before his shows, he would play Bob every night. 1340 01:25:28,775 --> 01:25:32,823 Bob was a fan of dad's, too, to that famous line 1341 01:25:32,997 --> 01:25:35,217 of you heard him coming out of the radio. 1342 01:25:35,391 --> 01:25:37,915 It was like a voice from middle Earth. 1343 01:25:38,089 --> 01:25:40,396 Johnny Cash was the epitome of country music. 1344 01:25:40,570 --> 01:25:43,616 He was the living ultimate end. 1345 01:25:43,790 --> 01:25:47,751 He and I, we were writing each other letters before we'd ever met. 1346 01:25:47,925 --> 01:25:50,754 First time I met him was at the Newport Folk Festival. 1347 01:25:50,928 --> 01:25:54,105 He was an early supporter of mine, told me so. 1348 01:25:54,279 --> 01:25:56,673 But I have been a fan of his long before that. 1349 01:25:56,847 --> 01:26:00,242 JOHNNY CASH: Then one night, Bob Johnston brought Bob Dylan to Nashville. 1350 01:26:00,416 --> 01:26:03,810 I had Dylan there, and then I had Cash coming in. 1351 01:26:03,984 --> 01:26:06,596 So when Dylan got through, Cash walked through the door. 1352 01:26:06,770 --> 01:26:09,381 He said, "What are doing here?" He said, "I came down to record." 1353 01:26:09,555 --> 01:26:11,035 He said, "Well, I just finished." 1354 01:26:11,209 --> 01:26:13,516 While he went to dinner, I built a bar. 1355 01:26:13,690 --> 01:26:16,432 Blue lights, I had whiskey bottle there, 1356 01:26:16,606 --> 01:26:19,696 clock and shit like that, their guitars all tuned, ready. 1357 01:26:19,870 --> 01:26:23,047 Want me to get in closer on it? 1358 01:26:23,221 --> 01:26:25,267 When they came in, they looked at each other, 1359 01:26:25,441 --> 01:26:27,834 and then they looked over at me and they started smiling 1360 01:26:28,008 --> 01:26:31,316 and they took their guitars and they went outside and tuned them 1361 01:26:31,490 --> 01:26:34,101 and started playing for an hour-and-a-half. 1362 01:26:34,276 --> 01:26:36,452 And what do you want to hear? 1363 01:26:36,626 --> 01:26:39,194 ♪ 'Cause you're right from your side 1364 01:26:39,368 --> 01:26:43,633 ♪ But I'm right from mine 1365 01:26:43,807 --> 01:26:46,940 ♪ We're just one too many mornings 1366 01:26:47,114 --> 01:26:51,641 ♪ And a thousand miles behind 1367 01:26:51,815 --> 01:26:53,773 ♪ That's right ♪ 1368 01:26:53,947 --> 01:26:57,821 Record company wouldn't release it because they talked in it. 1369 01:26:57,995 --> 01:27:00,824 And they told me in Nashville, "If you get a pair of scissors 1370 01:27:00,998 --> 01:27:03,827 "and cut the talking out of Dylan and him 1371 01:27:04,001 --> 01:27:06,482 "then we can use the music and all." 1372 01:27:06,656 --> 01:27:09,615 And I said, "Oh, God, I'm so happy." 1373 01:27:09,789 --> 01:27:11,443 And he said, "Why?" 1374 01:27:11,617 --> 01:27:14,577 I said, "Not to have to be around you fucking people." 1375 01:27:14,751 --> 01:27:18,015 And I walked out the door and they still didn't release it. 1376 01:27:18,189 --> 01:27:20,278 And that's the one they're talking about. 1377 01:27:20,452 --> 01:27:23,107 ISBELL: In Nashville, their approach is different. 1378 01:27:23,281 --> 01:27:24,978 The negotiations that you make 1379 01:27:25,152 --> 01:27:27,677 with producers and engineers and studio musicians 1380 01:27:27,851 --> 01:27:30,419 have a different tone and they move at a different speed. 1381 01:27:30,593 --> 01:27:33,030 These guys weren't messing around. 1382 01:27:33,204 --> 01:27:36,686 They were so deep musically. 1383 01:27:52,615 --> 01:27:56,009 ♪ All along the watchtower 1384 01:27:56,183 --> 01:27:59,578 ♪ Princes kept the view 1385 01:27:59,752 --> 01:28:03,190 ♪ While all the women came and went 1386 01:28:03,365 --> 01:28:05,715 ♪ Barefoot servants, too... ♪ 1387 01:28:05,889 --> 01:28:07,630 RUCKER: The John Wesley Harding record. 1388 01:28:07,804 --> 01:28:10,067 When I worked retail, and I really discovered that record 1389 01:28:10,241 --> 01:28:13,940 back in the late '80s, early '90s, that record, I just went... 1390 01:28:14,854 --> 01:28:17,074 I mean, when does it stop? 1391 01:28:17,248 --> 01:28:19,163 When does he stop being great? 1392 01:28:19,337 --> 01:28:21,078 All that country stuff that he did, 1393 01:28:21,252 --> 01:28:22,862 you listen to the singer, it's not even the same singer. 1394 01:28:23,036 --> 01:28:24,516 You got that... 1395 01:28:24,690 --> 01:28:26,301 ♪ Someone's got it in for me 1396 01:28:26,475 --> 01:28:28,607 ♪ They're planting stories in the press ♪ 1397 01:28:28,781 --> 01:28:30,305 [VOCALIZES] 1398 01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,220 He'd sing in this warm, beautiful way 1399 01:28:33,395 --> 01:28:35,092 that you've never heard Dylan sing before. 1400 01:28:35,266 --> 01:28:38,051 ♪ Lay, lady, lay 1401 01:28:38,225 --> 01:28:40,532 ♪ Lay across my big brass bed... 1402 01:28:40,706 --> 01:28:42,839 RUCKER: When you listen to Lay Lady Lay you really go, 1403 01:28:43,013 --> 01:28:47,496 "Wow, this is one of the best singers in the world." His voice is perfect. 1404 01:28:47,670 --> 01:28:50,629 It's beautiful. It makes you feel every note. 1405 01:28:50,803 --> 01:28:56,287 ♪ Whatever colors you have in your mind 1406 01:28:57,549 --> 01:29:02,728 ♪ I'll show them to you and you'll see them shine 1407 01:29:04,469 --> 01:29:07,951 ♪ Love is a burning thing 1408 01:29:09,735 --> 01:29:14,827 ♪ It makes for a fiery ring ♪ 1409 01:29:15,001 --> 01:29:19,528 It's beautiful that it arose out of mutual respect and friendship. 1410 01:29:19,702 --> 01:29:25,708 That it was again an authentic organic response 1411 01:29:25,882 --> 01:29:27,710 to what they felt for each other. 1412 01:29:27,884 --> 01:29:28,928 JOHNNY: All right. 1413 01:29:29,102 --> 01:29:30,539 [GUITAR PLAYING] 1414 01:29:30,713 --> 01:29:33,063 I grew up in the north country, you know. 1415 01:29:34,194 --> 01:29:36,632 [HUMMING] 1416 01:29:36,806 --> 01:29:38,373 DYLAN: I don't know if I could do that, John. 1417 01:29:38,547 --> 01:29:42,333 The night that Bob was on The Johnny Cash Show, 1418 01:29:42,507 --> 01:29:45,075 and he and my dad sat next to each other, 1419 01:29:45,249 --> 01:29:46,903 I was 13 years old. 1420 01:29:47,077 --> 01:29:48,600 I went to school the next day. 1421 01:29:48,774 --> 01:29:52,996 Suddenly, the coolest 13-year-old in the world. 1422 01:29:55,172 --> 01:29:57,957 It's like an explosion happened in the country. 1423 01:29:58,131 --> 01:29:59,916 ♪ If you're travelin' 1424 01:30:00,090 --> 01:30:03,659 ♪ In the north country fair 1425 01:30:04,747 --> 01:30:07,402 ♪ Where the winds hit heavy 1426 01:30:07,576 --> 01:30:10,753 ♪ On the borderline 1427 01:30:12,232 --> 01:30:14,409 ♪ Remember me 1428 01:30:15,366 --> 01:30:17,847 ♪ To one who lives there 1429 01:30:19,849 --> 01:30:22,155 ♪ She once was 1430 01:30:22,329 --> 01:30:26,682 ♪ A true love of mine 1431 01:30:28,292 --> 01:30:29,380 ♪ True love of mine 1432 01:30:29,554 --> 01:30:31,904 ♪ A true love of mine... ♪ 1433 01:30:32,078 --> 01:30:34,341 JOHNNY: Bob Dylan's appearance brought a great deal of attention to Nashville 1434 01:30:34,516 --> 01:30:36,735 and then a lot of my peers 1435 01:30:36,909 --> 01:30:39,912 did not give him credit for it, and people to follow who recorded 1436 01:30:40,086 --> 01:30:42,828 songs in Nashville because Bob Dylan did. 1437 01:30:43,525 --> 01:30:45,048 [CROWD CHEERING] 1438 01:30:55,058 --> 01:30:57,408 ♪ I went to see the gypsy 1439 01:31:00,411 --> 01:31:02,892 ♪ Staying in a big hotel 1440 01:31:03,936 --> 01:31:07,200 ♪ "How are you?" He asked me 1441 01:31:07,374 --> 01:31:09,768 ♪ And I asked the same of him ♪ 1442 01:31:13,990 --> 01:31:17,080 It must have been right around 1970. 1443 01:31:17,254 --> 01:31:18,821 I was living in New York City. 1444 01:31:18,995 --> 01:31:21,258 Bob used to come when we'd play The Bitter End. 1445 01:31:21,432 --> 01:31:23,086 I know that he'd seen me play there. 1446 01:31:23,260 --> 01:31:26,306 I didn't think he noticed me. 1447 01:31:26,481 --> 01:31:31,616 I was introduced to him one night. We said maybe six words to each other. 1448 01:31:31,790 --> 01:31:34,837 And that was all the personal contact I had with him until 1449 01:31:35,011 --> 01:31:39,711 he called me one day and asked me if I would help him try out a studio. 1450 01:31:39,885 --> 01:31:42,932 Trying out the studio turned out to be recording Self Portrait. 1451 01:31:45,325 --> 01:31:48,546 The studio that I went to was one of the Columbia Studios, 1452 01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:50,766 so I'm sure he'd been in there many times before. 1453 01:31:50,940 --> 01:31:52,594 I'm sure of that now, I wasn't then. 1454 01:31:52,768 --> 01:31:54,247 -Bob? -DYLAN: Yeah. 1455 01:31:54,421 --> 01:31:56,075 BROMBERG: Let's just take this one. You ready? 1456 01:31:56,249 --> 01:31:57,599 [GUITAR PLAYING] 1457 01:31:59,296 --> 01:32:01,603 ♪ Down in some lone valley 1458 01:32:03,866 --> 01:32:07,870 ♪ In a sad, lonesome place... ♪ 1459 01:32:08,044 --> 01:32:09,611 JOHNSTON: He told me he wanted to come in. 1460 01:32:09,785 --> 01:32:11,569 Said, "What do you think about me doing it?" 1461 01:32:11,743 --> 01:32:14,485 The other people saw it. I said "Great idea." 1462 01:32:14,659 --> 01:32:17,183 It was a good idea for him to do anything. 1463 01:32:17,357 --> 01:32:18,924 And especially something like that. 1464 01:32:19,098 --> 01:32:21,666 You never knew what he was going to do 1465 01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,189 or how he was going to do it. 1466 01:32:23,363 --> 01:32:25,409 Bob is always Bob. 1467 01:32:25,583 --> 01:32:29,152 So when we're working on a session, Bob is specifically always Bob. 1468 01:32:29,326 --> 01:32:33,635 I was there, I think, for three, four days in a row. 1469 01:32:34,940 --> 01:32:40,380 And it was different than the other sessions I had done. 1470 01:32:40,555 --> 01:32:44,297 I thought the album would be called Folk Songs of America or something. 1471 01:32:45,124 --> 01:32:46,343 It was bizarre. 1472 01:32:46,517 --> 01:32:49,128 He wanted to do folk songs, great. 1473 01:32:49,302 --> 01:32:50,739 I love playing that stuff. 1474 01:32:50,913 --> 01:32:52,523 DYLAN: It's one of our old favorites. 1475 01:32:52,697 --> 01:32:55,265 Copper Kettlewe recorded, just the two of us. 1476 01:32:56,396 --> 01:32:59,835 ♪ Get you a copper kettle 1477 01:33:03,795 --> 01:33:06,885 ♪ Get you a copper coil... 1478 01:33:07,059 --> 01:33:09,888 He put his own twist to it, you know, and it's good. 1479 01:33:10,062 --> 01:33:15,938 ♪ You'll just lay there by the juniper 1480 01:33:17,722 --> 01:33:22,727 ♪ While the moon is bright... ♪ 1481 01:33:22,901 --> 01:33:25,556 He'd play a little bit and that wouldn't be it, 1482 01:33:25,730 --> 01:33:27,297 then he'd go into something else. 1483 01:33:27,471 --> 01:33:29,865 That was always Dylan, ever-changing thing, man. 1484 01:33:30,039 --> 01:33:32,041 He's going, "If this didn't work, that would work. 1485 01:33:32,215 --> 01:33:34,043 "If this didn't work, that would work." 1486 01:33:37,612 --> 01:33:39,962 DYLAN: Remember this? Remember Bob Gibson. 1487 01:33:40,136 --> 01:33:42,094 I think maybe he just wanted to do a record 1488 01:33:42,268 --> 01:33:45,228 where he was the interpreter, as opposed to the composer, 1489 01:33:45,402 --> 01:33:48,535 because he wasn't doing any songs that he wrote. 1490 01:33:48,710 --> 01:33:51,190 ♪ Yes, tell old Bill 1491 01:33:51,364 --> 01:33:53,018 ♪ When he comes home 1492 01:33:53,192 --> 01:33:57,196 ♪ To leave them downtown girls alone 1493 01:33:57,370 --> 01:33:59,285 ♪ This morning 1494 01:33:59,459 --> 01:34:03,725 ♪ This evening, so soon 1495 01:34:05,074 --> 01:34:07,946 ♪ So soon 1496 01:34:09,252 --> 01:34:12,472 ♪ So soon ♪ 1497 01:34:12,647 --> 01:34:15,475 It seems to me that he called it Self Portrait 1498 01:34:15,650 --> 01:34:18,609 because this was the music that he came out of. 1499 01:34:21,656 --> 01:34:24,702 ♪ All the tired horses in the sun 1500 01:34:24,876 --> 01:34:28,097 ♪ How am I supposed to get any ridin' done? 1501 01:34:28,271 --> 01:34:30,360 ♪ Mmm ♪ 1502 01:34:30,534 --> 01:34:33,406 A lot of the critics didn't want to hear Bob do anything different. 1503 01:34:33,580 --> 01:34:38,455 A lot of the critics wanted Bob to remain what their idea of him was. 1504 01:34:38,629 --> 01:34:40,631 If he come with another album, 1505 01:34:40,805 --> 01:34:44,374 "Oh, yeah. Let's criticize this one and see what this is like." 1506 01:34:44,548 --> 01:34:48,030 He knows all that shit. He's been out there long enough for that. 1507 01:34:48,204 --> 01:34:51,555 They wanted what happened. They wanted Rolling Stone. 1508 01:34:51,729 --> 01:34:53,296 They didn't want Self Portrait. 1509 01:34:53,470 --> 01:34:54,819 They didn't want a change of pace. 1510 01:34:54,993 --> 01:34:56,647 They didn't want a different sound. 1511 01:34:56,821 --> 01:34:58,344 People don't really speak to you. 1512 01:34:58,518 --> 01:35:00,303 They speak to their image of you. 1513 01:35:00,477 --> 01:35:02,305 They speak to your name in caps. 1514 01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,350 [DYLAN VOCALIZING] 1515 01:35:07,963 --> 01:35:09,660 Some people don't get anything. 1516 01:35:09,834 --> 01:35:12,576 Some people don't get the Bible, there's a devil or whatever. 1517 01:35:12,750 --> 01:35:14,665 It didn't matter what anybody saw. 1518 01:35:14,839 --> 01:35:17,233 Some of the people who really were very critical of it, 1519 01:35:17,407 --> 01:35:20,018 have realized that there's some marvelous things, 1520 01:35:20,192 --> 01:35:22,281 they just weren't the things that they wanted to get 1521 01:35:22,455 --> 01:35:23,979 out of a Bob Dylan album. 1522 01:35:24,153 --> 01:35:27,460 Self Portrait,you know, stood by itself. 1523 01:35:27,634 --> 01:35:29,158 It was very different. 1524 01:35:37,470 --> 01:35:41,692 As far as I could tell, New Morningwas a reaction 1525 01:35:41,866 --> 01:35:45,043 to the criticism of Self Portrait. 1526 01:35:45,217 --> 01:35:48,655 It was more like another album, and it was very comfortable, 1527 01:35:48,830 --> 01:35:51,876 and that's why it was hurried, if you will. 1528 01:35:52,050 --> 01:35:53,791 But it wasn't really hurried. 1529 01:35:53,965 --> 01:35:57,186 Didn't rush anything. When he got through, that's when... 1530 01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:58,361 When he said, 1531 01:35:58,535 --> 01:35:59,710 "That's it, Bob," 1532 01:36:00,493 --> 01:36:01,668 that's when it came out. 1533 01:36:01,843 --> 01:36:05,020 At the time, there was a brief... 1534 01:36:06,282 --> 01:36:11,243 Flirtation with writing the songs for a Broadway show. 1535 01:36:11,417 --> 01:36:17,467 I once accompanied him to Archibald MacLeish's house 1536 01:36:17,641 --> 01:36:20,252 where they had a discussion about that. 1537 01:36:20,426 --> 01:36:24,126 And it was some sort of collaboration between the two of them. 1538 01:36:24,300 --> 01:36:27,738 And then he decided not to do that. But he had written the songs. 1539 01:36:27,912 --> 01:36:32,090 That's what comprised New Morning. 1540 01:36:32,264 --> 01:36:37,008 ♪ Time passes slowly up here in the daylight 1541 01:36:37,182 --> 01:36:41,839 ♪ We stare straight ahead and try so hard to stay right 1542 01:36:42,013 --> 01:36:46,931 ♪ Like a cloud drifting over that covers the day 1543 01:36:47,105 --> 01:36:52,023 ♪ Time passes slowly and fades away ♪ 1544 01:36:52,197 --> 01:36:54,591 I was hearing the songs for the very first time. 1545 01:36:54,765 --> 01:36:57,289 And sometimes those first times through 1546 01:36:57,463 --> 01:36:58,943 are what was on this album. 1547 01:36:59,117 --> 01:37:01,511 I never heard Bob do rehearsal with the band. 1548 01:37:01,685 --> 01:37:03,556 He knew what he wanted. 1549 01:37:03,730 --> 01:37:06,995 He didn't necessarily tell us, but he knew. 1550 01:37:07,169 --> 01:37:09,214 I told everybody, "Never quit playing." 1551 01:37:09,388 --> 01:37:12,000 If you quit playing, get some boot briefcase, and your hat 1552 01:37:12,174 --> 01:37:14,916 and go out the door and wave goodbye at us. 1553 01:37:17,266 --> 01:37:21,531 It's like taking off in a rocket ship to ever go in with Bob Dylan. 1554 01:37:21,705 --> 01:37:25,491 I was not at the sessions that George Harrison did with Bob. 1555 01:37:25,665 --> 01:37:30,975 He was very careful about working out every note that he played. 1556 01:37:31,149 --> 01:37:34,674 Bob is very spontaneous, and he he wants you to... 1557 01:37:34,849 --> 01:37:37,416 He wants to hear what your first thought is. 1558 01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:41,333 So the sessions that they did must have been very different. 1559 01:37:41,507 --> 01:37:48,253 It was nice to hear him improvising, and I thought I could hear at a point, 1560 01:37:48,427 --> 01:37:53,432 I thought I could hear him thinking, "What's he doing now?" [LAUGHS] 1561 01:37:53,606 --> 01:37:56,696 ♪ Looking for a guru 1562 01:37:56,871 --> 01:37:58,916 ♪ Working on a guru 1563 01:38:00,048 --> 01:38:02,180 ♪ Working on a guru 1564 01:38:02,354 --> 01:38:05,183 ♪ Before the sun goes down ♪ 1565 01:38:06,271 --> 01:38:07,446 Play it again. 1566 01:38:12,843 --> 01:38:17,021 We had cut New Morning, and I said to Bob, 1567 01:38:17,195 --> 01:38:20,285 "I have a really good horn arrangement for this. 1568 01:38:22,374 --> 01:38:23,506 "Can I do that?" 1569 01:38:24,507 --> 01:38:26,552 And he said yeah. 1570 01:38:26,726 --> 01:38:28,337 And I brought in the horn session forNew Morning. 1571 01:38:28,511 --> 01:38:33,037 And he kept just the French horn playing a downward scale. 1572 01:38:33,733 --> 01:38:35,126 All the rest of it, 1573 01:38:35,300 --> 01:38:36,693 he said, "No, I'm just going to erase it." 1574 01:38:36,867 --> 01:38:39,478 ♪ So happy just to be alive 1575 01:38:39,652 --> 01:38:42,090 ♪ Underneath the sky of blue 1576 01:38:42,873 --> 01:38:46,529 ♪ On this new morning 1577 01:38:47,486 --> 01:38:50,141 ♪ New morning 1578 01:38:50,315 --> 01:38:53,492 ♪ On this new morning ♪ 1579 01:38:55,407 --> 01:38:59,803 I'm so delighted that horns were still there 1580 01:38:59,977 --> 01:39:02,501 so I could mix it, properly. 1581 01:39:02,675 --> 01:39:05,809 Same thing happened with the strings in Sign on the Window. 1582 01:39:05,983 --> 01:39:09,900 On the original session, I played an organ solo. 1583 01:39:10,074 --> 01:39:14,122 And my intention was to take the organ out altogether. 1584 01:39:14,296 --> 01:39:15,253 He kept that. 1585 01:39:16,602 --> 01:39:18,909 And threw all those strings out. 1586 01:39:19,083 --> 01:39:25,263 ♪ Looks like a-nothing but rain 1587 01:39:25,437 --> 01:39:30,051 ♪ Sure gonna be wet tonight on Main Street 1588 01:39:32,140 --> 01:39:38,233 ♪ Hope that it don't sleet ♪ 1589 01:39:39,886 --> 01:39:41,714 I love the vocals. 1590 01:39:41,888 --> 01:39:46,067 The way he sings the word "sleet" is amazing. 1591 01:39:46,241 --> 01:39:48,634 He puts "sleet" in his voice. 1592 01:39:48,808 --> 01:39:54,292 Those two tracks specifically I've coveted for 40 years. 1593 01:39:54,466 --> 01:39:56,860 And then to find that I could remix them 1594 01:39:57,034 --> 01:39:58,470 because he didn't erase them, 1595 01:39:58,644 --> 01:40:04,172 it was great to come back to it and sit at my desk 1596 01:40:04,346 --> 01:40:06,565 and listen to the isolated vocal 1597 01:40:07,740 --> 01:40:09,568 and go, "Boy, this is great." 1598 01:40:09,742 --> 01:40:14,573 New MorningI thought was a great time of his singing. 1599 01:40:14,747 --> 01:40:18,751 I don't think that Bob has gotten credit for what a great singer he is. 1600 01:40:18,925 --> 01:40:20,840 He is a great singer. 1601 01:40:21,015 --> 01:40:22,451 There's a difference between 1602 01:40:22,625 --> 01:40:24,409 having a great voice and being a great singer. 1603 01:40:24,583 --> 01:40:27,630 The man can put across a song like no one else can. 1604 01:40:27,804 --> 01:40:29,545 It just comes through. 1605 01:40:29,719 --> 01:40:34,332 ♪ Sylvie came here Wednesday 1606 01:40:35,551 --> 01:40:40,686 ♪ She came this morning by the light of the dawn 1607 01:40:42,340 --> 01:40:48,868 ♪ She comes up here now nearly all of the time 1608 01:40:49,043 --> 01:40:54,309 ♪ To see if she can carry on 1609 01:40:54,483 --> 01:41:00,663 ♪ Now won't you bring me a little water, Sylvie? 1610 01:41:02,578 --> 01:41:07,539 ♪ Bring me a little water now? ♪ 1611 01:41:07,713 --> 01:41:12,196 I was very lucky to have been asked to play on those records, 1612 01:41:12,370 --> 01:41:13,850 and I wouldn't trade it for anything. 1613 01:41:14,024 --> 01:41:15,373 That's the way it was. 1614 01:41:15,547 --> 01:41:18,942 It was a complete and utter joyous trip. 1615 01:41:19,116 --> 01:41:23,294 Bob is the equivalent of William Shakespeare. 1616 01:41:24,252 --> 01:41:26,341 What Shakespeare did in his time, 1617 01:41:26,993 --> 01:41:28,430 Bob does it in his time. 1618 01:41:28,604 --> 01:41:31,302 You think of all this huge period of time 1619 01:41:31,476 --> 01:41:33,783 in which he's continued to deliver, 1620 01:41:33,957 --> 01:41:35,393 it's pretty amazing. 1621 01:41:35,567 --> 01:41:37,917 Down the curve and around the bend, he came. 1622 01:41:38,092 --> 01:41:41,617 And it'll never end now 'cause he's been on this roller coaster ride 1623 01:41:41,791 --> 01:41:43,140 ever since he left Minnesota. 1624 01:41:43,314 --> 01:41:45,360 He's been brutalized, sunrised, 1625 01:41:45,534 --> 01:41:48,232 baptized in the waters of the Village. 1626 01:41:48,406 --> 01:41:51,627 Still, it goes on from Soho to Moscow to Oslo. 1627 01:41:51,801 --> 01:41:55,544 They speak of this trip, this battleship who sailed 1628 01:41:55,718 --> 01:41:57,415 in the harbor of Tin Pan Alley 1629 01:41:57,589 --> 01:42:00,766 and sank it with his Subterranean Homesick Blues. 1630 01:42:01,724 --> 01:42:04,074 There is none but one Bob Dylan. 1631 01:42:06,424 --> 01:42:11,560 ♪ Someday everything is gonna be different 1632 01:42:11,734 --> 01:42:17,261 ♪ When I paint that masterpiece ♪ 1633 01:42:45,246 --> 01:42:47,770 When Bob was signed in '61, 1634 01:42:47,944 --> 01:42:51,295 he really changed the whole image of Columbia Records. 1635 01:42:51,469 --> 01:42:54,037 Columbia was a MOR company. 1636 01:42:54,211 --> 01:42:57,606 It was sing-along with Mitch, with Johnny Mathis. 1637 01:42:57,780 --> 01:42:59,782 It was the tried and true. 1638 01:42:59,956 --> 01:43:05,527 And suddenly Bob came along with a revolutionary outlook 1639 01:43:05,701 --> 01:43:07,311 for a new generation. 1640 01:43:08,573 --> 01:43:11,489 What's wonderful about having Bob back now is 1641 01:43:11,663 --> 01:43:16,190 he tried making it away from the company, 1642 01:43:16,364 --> 01:43:19,628 and he found out that Columbia was his home. 1643 01:43:19,802 --> 01:43:25,111 And I think the album is going to prove how different Bob is 1644 01:43:25,286 --> 01:43:28,027 when he's completely comfortable with his surroundings. 1645 01:43:28,202 --> 01:43:30,639 Than he was, last year. 1646 01:43:30,813 --> 01:43:32,249 I get phone calls every day. 1647 01:43:32,423 --> 01:43:33,903 Reviewers wants to hear it 1648 01:43:34,077 --> 01:43:36,645 and certain retail accounts where the clerks, 1649 01:43:36,819 --> 01:43:38,821 are aware that it's going on, have called. 1650 01:43:38,995 --> 01:43:41,040 It's just become everywhere. 1651 01:43:41,215 --> 01:43:42,694 There's a great deal of anticipation and a great deal of excitement 1652 01:43:42,868 --> 01:43:45,175 about this new Blood on the Tracksalbum. 1653 01:43:45,349 --> 01:43:47,873 I was in the dentist chair some morning... 1654 01:43:48,047 --> 01:43:49,658 Some afternoon in May. 1655 01:43:49,832 --> 01:43:51,268 I got a frantic call from 1656 01:43:52,313 --> 01:43:55,185 Owen Stegalstein's secretary 1657 01:43:55,359 --> 01:43:59,276 saying, "John, Bob Dylan is in the building. 1658 01:43:59,450 --> 01:44:01,670 "Owen wants to know if you could come right over." 1659 01:44:01,844 --> 01:44:05,717 I said, "I can't come right over. I'll be over as soon as I can." 1660 01:44:05,891 --> 01:44:10,635 I guess they called me because some 13 years ago, 1661 01:44:10,809 --> 01:44:13,290 I was the guy who sort of stuck my neck out 1662 01:44:13,464 --> 01:44:16,772 and signed Bobby originally to Columbia. 1663 01:44:16,946 --> 01:44:19,601 And they thought it might be a nice idea if I were around 1664 01:44:19,775 --> 01:44:22,473 at some certain point in this thing, so... 1665 01:44:23,561 --> 01:44:27,086 I got back to the office about 45 minutes later. 1666 01:44:27,261 --> 01:44:30,525 And Bobby and Owen were just finishing 1667 01:44:30,699 --> 01:44:37,227 what looked like an extremely successful and friendly talk. 1668 01:44:37,401 --> 01:44:40,578 And they were going into Goddard Lieberson's office. 1669 01:44:40,752 --> 01:44:45,931 And Dylan has always had a sort of very special respect for Lieberson. 1670 01:44:46,105 --> 01:44:53,461 And they came in and Bobby was very effusive with Goddard. 1671 01:44:53,635 --> 01:44:56,420 And Goddard looked up at Bobby and said, 1672 01:44:56,594 --> 01:45:00,859 "Well, Bobby, same temple, new rabbi". 1673 01:45:01,033 --> 01:45:05,821 When Bob came into the studio this time, he was prepared. 1674 01:45:06,561 --> 01:45:09,259 Not only was he prepared, 1675 01:45:09,433 --> 01:45:15,570 he was marvelously certain of what exactly he wanted to do. 1676 01:45:17,354 --> 01:45:21,227 When I used to record Bob in '61 and '62, 1677 01:45:21,402 --> 01:45:23,404 it was a very different story. 1678 01:45:24,361 --> 01:45:26,058 Bob would come up, 1679 01:45:26,232 --> 01:45:30,933 he was writing about 11 to 15 songs a week in those days. 1680 01:45:31,107 --> 01:45:35,981 And every time he had something, he wanted to put it on tape. 1681 01:45:36,155 --> 01:45:37,592 And it was simple in those days. 1682 01:45:38,897 --> 01:45:40,508 That was before the time 1683 01:45:40,682 --> 01:45:44,816 when people had to pay for studio time, editing. 1684 01:45:45,991 --> 01:45:48,690 All the rest of the things that happen now days, 1685 01:45:48,864 --> 01:45:50,779 and this didn't cost Bob anything. 1686 01:45:52,650 --> 01:45:54,086 Every time he had something new, 1687 01:45:55,131 --> 01:45:56,698 I'd put 'em in. 1688 01:45:56,872 --> 01:45:58,917 He was sort of sloppy about the way he worked. 1689 01:46:00,179 --> 01:46:02,965 We had to build a special guard around the microphone 1690 01:46:03,139 --> 01:46:05,359 because he popped so many P's. 1691 01:46:05,533 --> 01:46:07,404 Poor George Kanawa, 1692 01:46:07,578 --> 01:46:10,799 who was the engineer at that time, was going crazy. 1693 01:46:10,973 --> 01:46:15,891 So Bob had to work further away from a microphone. 1694 01:46:16,065 --> 01:46:20,417 But Bob, of course, was just absolutely unique, sensational, 1695 01:46:20,591 --> 01:46:22,985 marvelous artist in those days. 1696 01:46:23,159 --> 01:46:25,117 And he turned out to be 1697 01:46:25,291 --> 01:46:30,471 even more of a unique, sensational and marvelous artist this time. 1698 01:46:30,645 --> 01:46:34,605 Bob's always coming up with a really unusual surprise. 1699 01:46:34,779 --> 01:46:37,086 On this one, he asked me to get in touch with Pete Hamill 1700 01:46:37,260 --> 01:46:39,218 because we had talked about liner notes, 1701 01:46:39,393 --> 01:46:42,396 and he said he wanted Pete Hamill to write the liner notes. 1702 01:46:42,570 --> 01:46:46,008 And we made some maneuvers to contact Pete. 1703 01:46:46,182 --> 01:46:47,705 It was a little difficult at first. 1704 01:46:47,879 --> 01:46:49,707 Bob and Pete hit it off immediately. 1705 01:46:49,881 --> 01:46:53,885 Pete took notes and wrote incredible liner notes for the album. 1706 01:46:54,059 --> 01:46:58,890 So, we've got a really unusual merchandising support there. 1707 01:46:59,064 --> 01:47:00,979 It kind of explains a little bit about the music, 1708 01:47:01,153 --> 01:47:05,201 a little bit about the society in which we live. 1709 01:47:05,375 --> 01:47:08,509 And Bob's music is kind of a portrait on life. 1710 01:47:08,683 --> 01:47:11,076 He covers so many areas of music. 1711 01:47:11,250 --> 01:47:15,037 For example, his hard blues numbers like Meet Me in the Morning. 1712 01:47:15,211 --> 01:47:16,734 Part of the album is acoustic. 1713 01:47:16,908 --> 01:47:19,389 Part of it has Eric Weissberg's band. 1714 01:47:19,563 --> 01:47:22,827 On a few cuts, Buddy Cage from the New Riders 1715 01:47:23,001 --> 01:47:24,786 plays steel guitar. 1716 01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,223 And as a matter of fact, we should touch on 1717 01:47:27,397 --> 01:47:28,964 some things that John had talked about, 1718 01:47:29,138 --> 01:47:31,532 with other musicians or artists doing Bob's music. 1719 01:47:31,706 --> 01:47:34,578 The New Riders have recorded You Angel You. 1720 01:47:34,752 --> 01:47:36,841 They used Bob's rough lyric, 1721 01:47:37,015 --> 01:47:40,062 as opposed to his finished lyric on the Planet Wavealbum. 1722 01:47:40,236 --> 01:47:42,281 But they did a Dylan tune. 1723 01:47:42,456 --> 01:47:45,763 Dave Mason recorded All Along the Watchtower. 1724 01:47:45,937 --> 01:47:49,593 And Richie Havens, Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands. 1725 01:47:49,767 --> 01:47:51,987 So people are still recording his music. 1726 01:47:52,161 --> 01:47:54,859 Nothing has changed. He's evolving, it's all growing. 1727 01:47:55,033 --> 01:47:59,081 And this album, there'll be tons of songs that people are going to record. 1728 01:47:59,255 --> 01:48:02,867 Many artists will record the songs in Blood on the Tracks. 1729 01:48:03,041 --> 01:48:04,913 There's a tune calledIdiot Wind, 1730 01:48:05,783 --> 01:48:08,046 which you have to listen to. 1731 01:48:08,220 --> 01:48:10,701 You must listen to it several times to get the significance of it. 1732 01:48:10,875 --> 01:48:13,791 There's a tune,Lily Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts, 1733 01:48:13,965 --> 01:48:18,230 which touches on some of the... You know, life is a gamble, 1734 01:48:18,404 --> 01:48:20,450 type of life that we all lead. 1735 01:48:20,624 --> 01:48:24,019 And the conflict between women, men, 1736 01:48:24,193 --> 01:48:25,499 and just life in general. 1737 01:48:26,325 --> 01:48:28,589 But it kind of paints a picture, 1738 01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:31,809 a story as it were 1739 01:48:31,983 --> 01:48:33,594 that's very different than some of the things he's done before, 1740 01:48:33,768 --> 01:48:35,117 and yet it's very familiar. 1741 01:48:36,074 --> 01:48:37,902 So... 1742 01:48:38,076 --> 01:48:40,557 The album has a continuity, a cohesiveness 1743 01:48:42,428 --> 01:48:43,865 that's exciting. 1744 01:48:44,039 --> 01:48:45,562 And there's an enthusiasm that just builds 1745 01:48:45,736 --> 01:48:48,173 the difference of having a little bit of acoustic music 1746 01:48:48,347 --> 01:48:52,221 and a bit of music with a band, steel guitar, organ, etcetera. 1747 01:48:52,395 --> 01:48:55,833 Kind of creates a contrast that in itself is exciting. 1748 01:48:56,007 --> 01:48:59,010 I don't think Bob consciously plans this sort of thing. 1749 01:48:59,184 --> 01:49:02,318 But it came off beautifully, really came off beautifully. 1750 01:49:02,492 --> 01:49:04,146 Let me tell you about this album. 1751 01:49:05,321 --> 01:49:07,018 This album, 1752 01:49:07,192 --> 01:49:12,067 unlike any album that's cut with groups these days, 1753 01:49:12,241 --> 01:49:17,725 was finished in five days and mixed in two days. 1754 01:49:17,899 --> 01:49:20,989 Now this is, you know, absolutely unprecedented 1755 01:49:21,729 --> 01:49:24,253 the way Columbia works nowadays. 1756 01:49:26,385 --> 01:49:29,301 A Simon and Garfunkel album 1757 01:49:29,475 --> 01:49:33,871 or a Bruce Springsteen album. 1758 01:49:34,045 --> 01:49:36,482 This is six or seven months in a studio 1759 01:49:36,657 --> 01:49:40,008 of, you know, experimentation, 1760 01:49:42,227 --> 01:49:45,883 of discarding this, adding that, overdubbing. 1761 01:49:46,492 --> 01:49:48,059 None of that with Bob. 1762 01:49:48,233 --> 01:49:51,062 And this album has a flow 1763 01:49:51,236 --> 01:49:55,240 that you won't find in any other album recorded in 1974. 1764 01:49:55,414 --> 01:49:58,200 The album cover is a cover that 1765 01:49:58,374 --> 01:50:02,944 lends itself to everything, the merchandiser's dream. 1766 01:50:03,118 --> 01:50:07,818 His name is big, the title is big. He has liner notes on the package. 1767 01:50:07,992 --> 01:50:11,561 We're going to be ready with point of purchase support 1768 01:50:11,735 --> 01:50:13,694 before the album ships. 1769 01:50:13,868 --> 01:50:15,870 We'll have time-buys ready to run 1770 01:50:16,044 --> 01:50:18,437 the day the album hits the stores. 1771 01:50:18,612 --> 01:50:19,874 We'll have all our print ads. 1772 01:50:20,048 --> 01:50:23,312 We've really done a job up-front on this album 1773 01:50:23,486 --> 01:50:27,621 because Bob has allowed us the time in a very professional... 1774 01:50:29,144 --> 01:50:31,712 "Professional enthusiasm," I think, might be a good phrase. 1775 01:50:31,886 --> 01:50:33,539 He just loves being back, 1776 01:50:33,714 --> 01:50:35,890 and he just knows that we can do the job for him, 1777 01:50:36,064 --> 01:50:38,370 and it's going to be really exciting. 1778 01:50:38,544 --> 01:50:40,285 And you'll get to hear the album. 1779 01:50:40,459 --> 01:50:41,939 And when you hear the album, 1780 01:50:42,113 --> 01:50:44,594 you know everything that John and I have said 1781 01:50:44,768 --> 01:50:47,771 relates to an exciting future with Bob Dylan. 1782 01:50:47,945 --> 01:50:50,078 This album, of course, will get immediate airplay. 1783 01:50:50,252 --> 01:50:52,123 That's not unusual for Bob. 1784 01:50:52,297 --> 01:50:54,038 I think where the difference comes here 1785 01:50:54,212 --> 01:50:57,259 is this album will stay on the air for quite a while. 1786 01:50:57,433 --> 01:50:59,914 And it's certainly accessible to Top 40 radio. 1787 01:51:01,480 --> 01:51:03,308 Part of this 1788 01:51:03,482 --> 01:51:06,268 enthusiasm for the new release is generated in the company. 1789 01:51:06,442 --> 01:51:10,751 We've played the tapes for in-house personnel, of course, 1790 01:51:10,925 --> 01:51:13,667 and Larry Sloman wrote the interview in Rolling Stone, 1791 01:51:13,841 --> 01:51:15,843 which you've probably all read by now. 1792 01:51:16,017 --> 01:51:18,976 And part of what Larry talked about was that this is the Dylan 1793 01:51:19,150 --> 01:51:21,762 that people have been hungering for. 1794 01:51:21,936 --> 01:51:24,982 So there have been some little rumbles of apprehension about, 1795 01:51:25,156 --> 01:51:27,768 "How are we going to sell a new Dylan album?" 1796 01:51:27,942 --> 01:51:30,988 We've seen the problems electors had the way they handle it. 1797 01:51:31,162 --> 01:51:33,512 I think we're unique. We handle Bob differently. 1798 01:51:33,687 --> 01:51:35,906 We know Bob and we understand Bob. 1799 01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:37,865 We know what to do with his music. 1800 01:51:38,039 --> 01:51:39,910 We know how to handle the reaction to the airplay, 1801 01:51:40,084 --> 01:51:42,086 and the reaction in the market place. 1802 01:51:42,260 --> 01:51:46,047 So we're going to go out there well-prepared, 1803 01:51:46,221 --> 01:51:48,049 better prepared than we've ever been probably, 1804 01:51:48,223 --> 01:51:50,312 and really do a number with this album. 1805 01:51:50,486 --> 01:51:51,879 And it's going to be accepted. 1806 01:51:52,053 --> 01:51:53,707 People are waiting for this album. 1807 01:52:03,978 --> 01:52:06,197 NARRATOR : Over 2,000 concerts. 1808 01:52:08,634 --> 01:52:10,375 Six hundred songs. 1809 01:52:12,551 --> 01:52:14,249 Forty-four albums. 1810 01:52:16,642 --> 01:52:18,079 Five decades. 1811 01:52:20,429 --> 01:52:21,909 One artist. 1812 01:52:25,173 --> 01:52:27,784 ♪ Johnny's in the basement mixing up the medicine 1813 01:52:27,958 --> 01:52:29,525 ♪ I'm on the pavement 1814 01:52:29,699 --> 01:52:30,874 ♪ Thinkin' about the government... ♪ 1815 01:52:31,048 --> 01:52:33,485 ♪ Like a rolling stone ♪ 1816 01:52:36,314 --> 01:52:39,970 ♪ Knock-knock-knockin' on heaven's door ♪ 1817 01:52:40,884 --> 01:52:43,495 ♪ All along the watchtower ♪ 1818 01:52:44,453 --> 01:52:46,020 ♪ Tangled up in blue ♪ 1819 01:52:48,065 --> 01:52:51,895 ♪ Someday, baby you ain't gonna worry for me ♪ 1820 01:52:52,069 --> 01:52:57,118 ♪ Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man play a song for me ♪ 1821 01:52:57,292 --> 01:53:02,732 ♪ The answer, my friend is blowin' in the wind 1822 01:53:02,906 --> 01:53:06,388 ♪ The answer is blowin' in the wind ♪ 1823 01:53:07,606 --> 01:53:08,782 NARRATOR: Dylan. 1824 01:53:09,783 --> 01:53:14,222 His greatest songs. October, '07. 1825 01:53:32,718 --> 01:53:35,025 ♪ Everything went from bad to worse 1826 01:53:35,199 --> 01:53:37,898 ♪ Money never changed a thing 1827 01:53:38,072 --> 01:53:40,422 ♪ Death kept followin' Trackin' us down 1828 01:53:40,596 --> 01:53:43,207 ♪ At least I heard your bluebird sing ♪ 1829 01:53:43,381 --> 01:53:46,254 ♪ Now somebody's got to show their hand 1830 01:53:46,428 --> 01:53:48,473 ♪ Time is an enemy 1831 01:53:49,735 --> 01:53:51,868 ♪ I know you're long gone 1832 01:53:52,042 --> 01:53:54,436 ♪ I guess it must be up to me 1833 01:53:59,136 --> 01:54:00,790 ♪ If I'd thought about it 1834 01:54:00,964 --> 01:54:02,357 ♪ I never would've done it 1835 01:54:02,531 --> 01:54:04,794 ♪ I guess I would've let it slide 1836 01:54:04,968 --> 01:54:07,884 ♪ If I'd lived my life by what others were thinkin' 1837 01:54:08,058 --> 01:54:10,626 ♪ The heart inside me would've died 1838 01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:12,410 ♪ I was a bit too stubborn 1839 01:54:12,584 --> 01:54:16,675 ♪ To ever be governed by enforced insanity 1840 01:54:16,850 --> 01:54:19,635 ♪ Someone had to reach for the risin' star 1841 01:54:19,809 --> 01:54:22,333 ♪ I guess it was up to me 1842 01:54:26,816 --> 01:54:29,906 ♪ Now, the Union Central is pullin' out 1843 01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:32,909 ♪ The orchids are in bloom 1844 01:54:33,083 --> 01:54:35,651 ♪ I've only got one good shirt left 1845 01:54:35,825 --> 01:54:38,610 ♪ It smells of stale perfume 1846 01:54:38,784 --> 01:54:41,265 ♪ In 14 months I've only smiled once 1847 01:54:41,439 --> 01:54:44,660 ♪ And I didn't do it consciously 1848 01:54:44,834 --> 01:54:47,619 ♪ Somebody's got to find your trail 1849 01:54:47,793 --> 01:54:50,231 ♪ I guess it must be up to me 1850 01:54:54,975 --> 01:54:57,803 ♪ It was like a revelation 1851 01:54:57,978 --> 01:55:01,155 ♪ When you betrayed me with your touch 1852 01:55:01,329 --> 01:55:04,158 ♪ I'd just about convinced myself 1853 01:55:04,332 --> 01:55:06,682 ♪ Nothin' had changed that much 1854 01:55:06,856 --> 01:55:09,903 ♪ The old rounder in the iron mask 1855 01:55:10,077 --> 01:55:12,818 ♪ He slipped me the master key 1856 01:55:12,993 --> 01:55:15,560 ♪ Somebody had to unlock your heart 1857 01:55:15,734 --> 01:55:18,346 ♪ He said it was up to me 1858 01:55:23,133 --> 01:55:26,528 ♪ Well, I watched you slowly disappearing 1859 01:55:26,702 --> 01:55:29,923 ♪ Down into the officers' club 1860 01:55:30,097 --> 01:55:32,142 ♪ I would've followed you in the door 1861 01:55:32,316 --> 01:55:35,058 ♪ But I didn't have a ticket stub 1862 01:55:35,232 --> 01:55:38,279 ♪ So I waited all night 'til the break of day 1863 01:55:38,453 --> 01:55:41,151 ♪ Hopin' one of us could get free 1864 01:55:41,325 --> 01:55:44,633 ♪ When the dawn came over the river bridge 1865 01:55:44,807 --> 01:55:47,418 ♪ I knew it was up to me 144304

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