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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:53,551 --> 00:00:56,231 (low rumbling) 2 00:01:05,471 --> 00:01:08,831 If you were to ask people today 3 00:01:08,831 --> 00:01:13,271 what is the worst man-made disaster in peace time, 4 00:01:13,271 --> 00:01:16,591 they'd probably say something like, "Oh, the Titanic." 5 00:01:16,591 --> 00:01:18,351 (indistinct chatter) 6 00:01:18,351 --> 00:01:21,511 1912-- 1,512 lives. 7 00:01:21,511 --> 00:01:23,591 Or they might say, "Oh, Chernobyl." 8 00:01:23,591 --> 00:01:27,591 And maybe a few hundred lives have gone to that. 9 00:01:27,591 --> 00:01:30,590 But they might say, if they're being a bit more knowledgeable, 10 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:33,870 "When then Union Carbide plant blew up at Bhopal." 11 00:01:33,870 --> 00:01:37,190 And-and the number of people dead or injured 12 00:01:37,190 --> 00:01:40,110 by that may be as high as 10,000. 13 00:01:40,110 --> 00:01:43,830 But thalidomide outstrips all of those, 14 00:01:43,830 --> 00:01:47,550 ten times over and more. 15 00:01:47,550 --> 00:01:52,110 The thalidomide disaster probably destroyed 16 00:01:52,110 --> 00:01:54,950 more than 100,000 babies, 17 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:57,630 injured a million adults. 18 00:01:57,630 --> 00:01:59,550 And yet it doesn't feature 19 00:01:59,550 --> 00:02:03,590 in-in the list that springs to people's mind. 20 00:02:10,870 --> 00:02:13,070 (indistinct chatter) 21 00:02:18,830 --> 00:02:21,030 (indistinct chatter) 22 00:02:25,750 --> 00:02:27,350 Shall we sit down together and have a look... 23 00:02:27,350 --> 00:02:29,550 HAROLD EVANS: The dilemma for The Sunday Times 24 00:02:29,550 --> 00:02:31,870 and thalidomide is this. 25 00:02:31,870 --> 00:02:36,789 We had the information that the compensation was inadequate. 26 00:02:36,789 --> 00:02:40,749 We had more than a suspicion 27 00:02:40,749 --> 00:02:44,229 that the manufacturer of the drug had been negligent. 28 00:02:47,589 --> 00:02:49,509 But the law of contempt 29 00:02:49,509 --> 00:02:52,789 meant that neither of these approaches to the story 30 00:02:52,789 --> 00:02:55,109 of thalidomide could be published. 31 00:02:56,309 --> 00:02:58,589 ♪ ♪ 32 00:03:29,869 --> 00:03:32,709 By the 1960s, society was much more complex. 33 00:03:32,709 --> 00:03:35,188 Corporations had grown more powerful, 34 00:03:35,188 --> 00:03:36,868 more invasive in-in-- 35 00:03:36,868 --> 00:03:39,508 for good and bad-- in people's lives. 36 00:03:43,908 --> 00:03:47,388 But nobody knew how complex. 37 00:03:47,388 --> 00:03:49,548 MPs didn't know. They hadn't got a clue. 38 00:03:49,548 --> 00:03:52,068 Parliament as engine of investigation inquiry 39 00:03:52,068 --> 00:03:55,148 was useless-- nothing to compare with Congress. 40 00:04:00,068 --> 00:04:04,428 So it was like somebody being in a prison cell. 41 00:04:04,428 --> 00:04:07,108 The British press was like this. 42 00:04:07,108 --> 00:04:11,148 Anybody who reached out their arms... 43 00:04:11,148 --> 00:04:13,148 would hit the walls. 44 00:04:13,148 --> 00:04:14,748 The walls of libel, 45 00:04:14,748 --> 00:04:16,028 contempt of court, 46 00:04:16,028 --> 00:04:18,828 Official Secrets Act, confidence. 47 00:04:20,468 --> 00:04:22,668 When we tried to expose the plight 48 00:04:22,668 --> 00:04:24,828 of thalidomide children who were born 49 00:04:24,828 --> 00:04:28,148 without their arms and legs... 50 00:04:28,148 --> 00:04:30,388 They'd lain without compensation, 51 00:04:30,388 --> 00:04:33,868 being born as trunks for ten years! 52 00:04:39,787 --> 00:04:41,347 Why wasn't there a huge 53 00:04:41,347 --> 00:04:43,147 national scandal about it? 54 00:04:43,147 --> 00:04:45,387 Why? 55 00:04:45,387 --> 00:04:48,547 Because the law of contempt said you were not allowed 56 00:04:48,547 --> 00:04:51,227 to comment on a case before the courts. 57 00:04:57,747 --> 00:04:59,467 That was the situation. 58 00:04:59,467 --> 00:05:01,987 How could anybody stand for that? 59 00:05:01,987 --> 00:05:04,227 ♪ ♪ 60 00:05:24,787 --> 00:05:27,067 (typewriters clicking) 61 00:05:27,067 --> 00:05:29,907 ALAN RUSBRIDGER: You-you look back on that-that Sunday Times, 62 00:05:29,907 --> 00:05:34,827 uh, and you admire the courage of a man. 63 00:05:34,827 --> 00:05:38,986 He-he took on big vested interests, 64 00:05:38,986 --> 00:05:42,506 uh, in the face of very difficult legal circumstances. 65 00:05:43,666 --> 00:05:46,426 And he blasted open some of the, 66 00:05:46,426 --> 00:05:49,826 some of the, um, legal challenges 67 00:05:49,826 --> 00:05:51,826 to journalism, uh, 68 00:05:51,826 --> 00:05:54,866 in ways from which we've all benefited. 69 00:05:54,866 --> 00:05:56,986 (birds chirping) 70 00:06:04,666 --> 00:06:06,666 My real interest in journalism begins, 71 00:06:06,666 --> 00:06:09,346 actually, when I was 12. 72 00:06:18,106 --> 00:06:19,986 The war was on. 73 00:06:19,986 --> 00:06:23,546 My father was driving steam trains. 74 00:06:23,546 --> 00:06:27,586 Occasionally, once every two years, we got a chance 75 00:06:27,586 --> 00:06:29,626 to go on a family vacation. 76 00:06:29,626 --> 00:06:31,906 (kids screaming playfully) 77 00:06:31,906 --> 00:06:34,386 And we went to Rhyll. 78 00:06:34,386 --> 00:06:37,066 We were walking along the beach, 79 00:06:37,066 --> 00:06:40,785 and there were a group of people lying down in the distance. 80 00:06:40,785 --> 00:06:43,425 And my dad stopped, 81 00:06:43,425 --> 00:06:45,745 which really exasperated me, 82 00:06:45,745 --> 00:06:48,945 on knees, and started talking to them. 83 00:06:48,945 --> 00:06:51,545 And they were survivors of Dunkirk. 84 00:06:51,545 --> 00:06:53,865 MALE REPORTER: Out from the hell 85 00:06:53,865 --> 00:06:56,185 that is Dunkirk, back from the steel thrust 86 00:06:56,185 --> 00:06:58,025 of the German war machine comes the B.E.F. 87 00:06:58,025 --> 00:06:59,985 EVANS: I didn't realize 88 00:06:59,985 --> 00:07:03,265 till later, when I went into journalism, 89 00:07:03,265 --> 00:07:05,985 that he was doing what a good reporter did. 90 00:07:05,985 --> 00:07:07,105 He asked questions. 91 00:07:07,105 --> 00:07:09,065 "What was it like? 92 00:07:09,065 --> 00:07:11,025 "Wh-What happened? 93 00:07:11,025 --> 00:07:12,425 Wh-What was your equipment?" 94 00:07:12,425 --> 00:07:14,305 And so on. 95 00:07:14,305 --> 00:07:18,385 And they gave him such a story of desperation. 96 00:07:18,385 --> 00:07:22,105 They felt they'd been let down by the Royal Air Force, 97 00:07:22,105 --> 00:07:25,265 by the French, about the Maginot Line being a nonsense. 98 00:07:25,265 --> 00:07:27,265 And when we got back to the boarding house-- 99 00:07:27,265 --> 00:07:30,785 we didn't stay in hotels, we stayed in boarding houses-- 100 00:07:30,785 --> 00:07:36,185 there was a Daily Mirror front page up there. 101 00:07:36,185 --> 00:07:38,545 "Bloody Marvellous!" 102 00:07:38,545 --> 00:07:42,784 "Bloody Marvellous," it said about the evacuation. 103 00:07:42,784 --> 00:07:44,944 And then I thought, "But my dad's telling 104 00:07:44,944 --> 00:07:47,184 "a completely different story. 105 00:07:47,184 --> 00:07:49,264 Who's telling the truth?" 106 00:07:49,264 --> 00:07:51,664 Think of 9/11. 107 00:07:51,664 --> 00:07:56,144 And what happened in the ex-- in the rush to be patriotic, 108 00:07:56,144 --> 00:07:59,144 the British people and the American people 109 00:07:59,144 --> 00:08:01,144 actually went along with an atrocity-- 110 00:08:01,144 --> 00:08:02,904 the invasion of Iraq. 111 00:08:02,904 --> 00:08:05,064 So what is the duty of a newspaper 112 00:08:05,064 --> 00:08:06,144 in those circumstances? 113 00:08:06,144 --> 00:08:09,624 Is it to keep up people's morale? 114 00:08:09,624 --> 00:08:12,784 Or is to do the much more difficult job, 115 00:08:12,784 --> 00:08:14,904 still very difficult, of going against the grain 116 00:08:14,904 --> 00:08:18,904 of popular opinion and looking for the truth? 117 00:08:30,384 --> 00:08:32,904 NARRATOR: His most high profile and emotionally draining 118 00:08:32,904 --> 00:08:37,224 campaign also had its origins in the Second World War. 119 00:08:37,224 --> 00:08:40,224 I am the officer commanding the regiment 120 00:08:40,224 --> 00:08:44,223 of Royal Artillery guarding this camp. 121 00:08:45,703 --> 00:08:47,543 The officers and men 122 00:08:47,543 --> 00:08:50,943 regard this job as a duty 123 00:08:50,943 --> 00:08:54,863 that has to be performed, and none of us are likely to forget 124 00:08:54,863 --> 00:08:57,623 what the German people have done here. 125 00:09:09,703 --> 00:09:11,623 NARRATOR: The German company 126 00:09:11,623 --> 00:09:15,623 Chemie Grunenthal had been a soap and perfume manufacturer. 127 00:09:15,623 --> 00:09:19,423 But in 1946, it diversified to exploit a voracious 128 00:09:19,423 --> 00:09:23,223 postwar demand for antibiotics and sedatives. 129 00:09:28,783 --> 00:09:31,223 Authorities were concerned 130 00:09:31,223 --> 00:09:33,503 that the unsanitary conditions in which people were living 131 00:09:33,503 --> 00:09:35,463 were likely to lead to epidemics, 132 00:09:35,463 --> 00:09:39,023 and sedatives and sleeping tablets were much in demand 133 00:09:39,023 --> 00:09:42,343 by a people whose nerves were shattered. 134 00:09:50,542 --> 00:09:53,862 By the mid-'50s, Germany was a calmer place. 135 00:09:53,862 --> 00:09:55,822 Chemie Grunenthal faced stiff competition 136 00:09:55,822 --> 00:09:57,302 from other pharmaceutical companies. 137 00:09:57,302 --> 00:09:59,622 And the demand for their sedatives 138 00:09:59,622 --> 00:10:03,822 and antibiotics had fallen to normal levels. 139 00:10:03,822 --> 00:10:05,382 They needed a best-seller. 140 00:10:05,382 --> 00:10:07,222 And they thought they'd found it 141 00:10:07,222 --> 00:10:10,942 in thalidomide, an addictive euphoric. 142 00:10:14,302 --> 00:10:16,182 At the time, barbiturates 143 00:10:16,182 --> 00:10:18,062 were much more prevalent than today, 144 00:10:18,062 --> 00:10:21,422 and people were inadvertently overdosing in alarming numbers. 145 00:10:21,422 --> 00:10:24,022 An appealing selling point was that it was believed 146 00:10:24,022 --> 00:10:28,262 to be impossible to overdose on the drug. 147 00:10:28,262 --> 00:10:30,502 JOHNSON: The particular focus 148 00:10:30,502 --> 00:10:34,422 on supplying thalidomide to pregnant women 149 00:10:34,422 --> 00:10:36,782 came about because, at that time, 150 00:10:36,782 --> 00:10:38,982 the prevailing medical belief 151 00:10:38,982 --> 00:10:42,902 was that morning sickness was psychosomatic. 152 00:10:42,902 --> 00:10:45,782 And I've had this from the drug company salesmen themselves. 153 00:10:45,782 --> 00:10:47,701 They-they thought that if, 154 00:10:47,701 --> 00:10:50,101 if a pregnant woman was being sick, 155 00:10:50,101 --> 00:10:53,501 because she was just overexcited about have-- 156 00:10:53,501 --> 00:10:54,901 being pregnant, 157 00:10:54,901 --> 00:10:57,621 you'd sedate her, and she'd calm down 158 00:10:57,621 --> 00:10:59,541 and she'd stop being sick. 159 00:10:59,541 --> 00:11:01,581 (film projector rattling) 160 00:11:03,381 --> 00:11:06,421 NARRATOR: Christmas Day, 1956. 161 00:11:07,701 --> 00:11:10,221 In Stahlberg, Germany, a young nervous 162 00:11:10,221 --> 00:11:12,781 expectant father, who worked as a chemist 163 00:11:12,781 --> 00:11:14,821 for Chemie Grunenthal, was waiting for news 164 00:11:14,821 --> 00:11:16,621 from the delivery room. 165 00:11:16,621 --> 00:11:19,301 But the news he received was not what he'd hoped. 166 00:11:19,301 --> 00:11:22,501 His child was born with no ears. 167 00:11:22,501 --> 00:11:24,381 His wife had been given samples 168 00:11:24,381 --> 00:11:26,621 of the Chemie Grunenthal's wonder drug 169 00:11:26,621 --> 00:11:30,381 to help combat her morning sickness. 170 00:11:30,381 --> 00:11:33,021 That Christmas Day saw the delivery of 171 00:11:33,021 --> 00:11:36,781 the world's first thalidomide baby. 172 00:11:43,341 --> 00:11:45,581 (machine chugging) 173 00:11:45,581 --> 00:11:48,261 The fact that one of the very few women given the drug 174 00:11:48,261 --> 00:11:52,380 had had a deformed baby was not picked up on. 175 00:11:52,380 --> 00:11:54,340 And Chemie Grunenthal went ahead 176 00:11:54,340 --> 00:11:56,940 and marketed their product across the world. 177 00:11:56,940 --> 00:11:59,220 A handful of countries, including the U.S., 178 00:11:59,220 --> 00:12:01,940 refused it a license, but most accepted 179 00:12:01,940 --> 00:12:04,860 the manufacturer's test data on face value, 180 00:12:04,860 --> 00:12:08,380 and allowed the drug to be prescribed. 181 00:12:08,380 --> 00:12:13,340 In 1958, it was licensed for use in the U.K. 182 00:12:13,340 --> 00:12:16,140 under the trade name Distaval. 183 00:12:21,940 --> 00:12:24,580 The active drug substance in both Distaval 184 00:12:24,580 --> 00:12:27,420 and Contergan was thalidomide. 185 00:12:29,260 --> 00:12:32,180 SADIE GALVIN: Well, I didn't even know I'd taken it. 186 00:12:32,180 --> 00:12:34,980 I felt unwell for a week. 187 00:12:34,980 --> 00:12:37,820 And, um, Wednesday afternoon, closed the shop, 188 00:12:37,820 --> 00:12:40,500 decided to go round the corner, just a few yards 189 00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:43,140 round the corner to see my GP. 190 00:12:43,140 --> 00:12:46,220 And she said, "I've got a new drug that's out, a miracle." 191 00:12:46,220 --> 00:12:47,540 She said the word "miracle," 192 00:12:47,540 --> 00:12:49,020 miracle drug. 193 00:12:49,020 --> 00:12:51,459 "It's fantastic. You'll be okay." 194 00:12:51,459 --> 00:12:53,179 So I took the little bit of paper, 195 00:12:53,179 --> 00:12:57,859 not realizing I had accepted my death warrant that day. 196 00:12:59,379 --> 00:13:01,459 PEARL DANDILY: From the minute I got caught, 197 00:13:01,459 --> 00:13:03,179 I had that sickness. 198 00:13:03,179 --> 00:13:04,739 The chemist told me, like... 199 00:13:04,739 --> 00:13:06,499 I said, "Do you know about these tablets?" 200 00:13:06,499 --> 00:13:09,219 And he just said, "Oh, they're for helping you to sleep 201 00:13:09,219 --> 00:13:10,659 and-and sickness." 202 00:13:10,659 --> 00:13:12,179 So I took 'em. 203 00:13:12,179 --> 00:13:14,059 Which they did, they was good, don't get me wrong. 204 00:13:14,059 --> 00:13:16,379 They were smashing when I... when I took 'em, you know. 205 00:13:16,379 --> 00:13:17,659 I felt real good. 206 00:13:17,659 --> 00:13:19,619 Vicky and I got married. 207 00:13:19,619 --> 00:13:21,539 She was 21. I was 22. 208 00:13:21,539 --> 00:13:25,619 After some months, Vicky told me she was pregnant, 209 00:13:25,619 --> 00:13:27,339 and we were absolutely thrilled. 210 00:13:27,339 --> 00:13:29,579 And she went along to see her doctor, 211 00:13:29,579 --> 00:13:31,739 who said that he thought she was a bit anemic. 212 00:13:31,739 --> 00:13:32,939 So, fine, 213 00:13:32,939 --> 00:13:34,419 so he gave her a prescription 214 00:13:34,419 --> 00:13:36,099 for iron tablets and one other. 215 00:13:36,099 --> 00:13:39,859 And I'd been asking her, "Can you feel the baby kick?" 216 00:13:39,859 --> 00:13:43,899 And she used to say, "Well, not kick, but press." 217 00:13:53,498 --> 00:13:58,138 I started into labor at 7:10 on the Saturday morning. 218 00:13:58,138 --> 00:14:01,018 And my husband always worked on a Saturday morning. 219 00:14:01,018 --> 00:14:03,538 And I just said to him, uh, 220 00:14:03,538 --> 00:14:06,938 "You'd better get round and bring the midwife." 221 00:14:06,938 --> 00:14:09,578 And I'd just put me legs on the bed, 222 00:14:09,578 --> 00:14:12,498 and she come and she went, "Oh, my God." 223 00:14:12,498 --> 00:14:13,898 And the sleeves went up 224 00:14:13,898 --> 00:14:17,938 and no coat off and she just dived in. 225 00:14:17,938 --> 00:14:19,698 "Dived in." 226 00:14:19,698 --> 00:14:22,338 And she was born at ten minutes to 8:00! 227 00:14:22,338 --> 00:14:24,458 And, uh, and my husband come in 228 00:14:24,458 --> 00:14:27,498 and he just said, "I'm sorry, love," and he was crying. 229 00:14:27,498 --> 00:14:29,738 My mum was a-a midwife, you know. 230 00:14:29,738 --> 00:14:33,218 She'd seen all sorts of things through her nursing career, 231 00:14:33,218 --> 00:14:36,058 and, uh, she said, you know, 232 00:14:36,058 --> 00:14:38,778 to the nurses, you know, "Well, where's my, you know, son?" 233 00:14:38,778 --> 00:14:41,218 And they said, "Well, we've just, uh, you know, 234 00:14:41,218 --> 00:14:42,978 we've taken him away." 235 00:14:42,978 --> 00:14:45,978 Uh, and one of the nurses said, "And you won't see him." 236 00:14:45,978 --> 00:14:51,418 And there was the, uh, cradle 237 00:14:51,418 --> 00:14:53,378 with, uh, Louise lying in there 238 00:14:53,378 --> 00:14:56,177 that can only be described as a, as a torso 239 00:14:56,177 --> 00:14:58,097 with sort of little flowers 240 00:14:58,097 --> 00:15:00,737 where the arms and legs should be. 241 00:15:00,737 --> 00:15:04,977 And, uh, after a few hours, I-I got myself together 242 00:15:04,977 --> 00:15:08,017 and I went back to the hospital 243 00:15:08,017 --> 00:15:11,217 to find, uh, Vicky, you know, 244 00:15:11,217 --> 00:15:14,937 in a terrible state and a priest in the room. 245 00:15:14,937 --> 00:15:17,657 He said, "Well, I'm explaining to Vicky that it's God's will." 246 00:15:17,657 --> 00:15:20,097 I said, "You don't know what the hell you're talking about. 247 00:15:20,097 --> 00:15:22,977 Not God's will at all. It's drugs. It's pills. Out!" 248 00:15:22,977 --> 00:15:24,697 And I threw him out. 249 00:15:24,697 --> 00:15:27,017 There was a very low level of expectation 250 00:15:27,017 --> 00:15:28,657 when we were all born. 251 00:15:28,657 --> 00:15:32,177 Um, we were all written off, and, uh, my mother was told 252 00:15:32,177 --> 00:15:34,577 that I would probably only live for about six weeks. 253 00:15:34,577 --> 00:15:36,577 And, in fact, when I was born, 254 00:15:36,577 --> 00:15:39,777 apparently, um, they thought I was stillborn, 255 00:15:39,777 --> 00:15:42,177 and I was put in some kind of a container 256 00:15:42,177 --> 00:15:44,537 and put in... put under me mother's bed. 257 00:15:44,537 --> 00:15:46,337 And I don't know whether I coughed 258 00:15:46,337 --> 00:15:48,337 or someone knocked the box or something-- 259 00:15:48,337 --> 00:15:49,977 there was some kind of movement, 260 00:15:49,977 --> 00:15:52,857 and then they realized I was, I was alive. 261 00:15:53,697 --> 00:15:55,617 What has also become clear 262 00:15:55,617 --> 00:15:59,776 is that a large number of babies were actually born alive, 263 00:15:59,776 --> 00:16:01,536 but they weren't allowed to live. 264 00:16:01,536 --> 00:16:02,896 The doctor came to me 265 00:16:02,896 --> 00:16:06,256 and said that my son was born handicapped. 266 00:16:06,256 --> 00:16:08,216 In fact, his arms and legs were short. 267 00:16:08,216 --> 00:16:13,176 Doctors and midwives were suffocating deformed babies 268 00:16:13,176 --> 00:16:16,976 or they were, in the hospitals, putting them out in the cold... 269 00:16:16,976 --> 00:16:18,776 on the cold slab in the cold room, 270 00:16:18,776 --> 00:16:20,776 in the hope that they'd die quietly. 271 00:16:20,776 --> 00:16:23,896 He thought it'd probably be best that... 272 00:16:23,896 --> 00:16:26,416 I should go home and forget I'd ever had him 273 00:16:26,416 --> 00:16:29,256 and have another one straightaway. 274 00:16:32,376 --> 00:16:34,376 My mother and father, thank God, 275 00:16:34,376 --> 00:16:37,376 had saved up enough from the dogs, 276 00:16:37,376 --> 00:16:40,176 and my mother opened a small shop, 277 00:16:40,176 --> 00:16:42,456 counting ra... during rationing. 278 00:16:42,456 --> 00:16:44,416 So they'd accumulated enough money, 279 00:16:44,416 --> 00:16:46,816 and they got me into a girls' college. 280 00:16:46,816 --> 00:16:49,536 How did I pull that off? 281 00:16:49,536 --> 00:16:53,216 I mean, the girls were learning shorthand and typing. 282 00:16:53,216 --> 00:16:57,656 They've got a shorthand stiffing of 120 words a minute. 283 00:16:57,656 --> 00:16:59,295 "Can I get a job?" 284 00:16:59,295 --> 00:17:01,575 ♪ ♪ 285 00:17:13,695 --> 00:17:15,495 EVANS: In 1961, 286 00:17:15,495 --> 00:17:18,935 I was offered the editorship of The Northern Echo, 287 00:17:18,935 --> 00:17:22,135 a great daily newspaper in Darlington, 288 00:17:22,135 --> 00:17:26,015 circulation of more than 100,000, 289 00:17:26,015 --> 00:17:27,575 and which had once been edited by 290 00:17:27,575 --> 00:17:29,415 one of the greatest British journalists, 291 00:17:29,415 --> 00:17:30,855 called W.T. Stead. 292 00:17:30,855 --> 00:17:34,895 In fact, I sat at the desk, and there was 293 00:17:34,895 --> 00:17:38,415 a handwritten letter he wrote to his proprietors 294 00:17:38,415 --> 00:17:41,975 in eight... late eight... 19th century saying, 295 00:17:41,975 --> 00:17:43,135 "Thank you. 296 00:17:43,135 --> 00:17:44,935 "What a marvelous opportunity 297 00:17:44,935 --> 00:17:47,495 for attacking the devil." 298 00:17:49,775 --> 00:17:51,175 Not off this block, sorry. 299 00:17:51,175 --> 00:17:53,895 There's a story coming on with that one. 300 00:17:53,895 --> 00:17:55,335 But, um, there we are. 301 00:17:55,335 --> 00:17:58,575 NARRATOR: He saw campaigns as the way ahead. 302 00:17:58,575 --> 00:18:01,814 He had a sharp eye for which issues to zero in on 303 00:18:01,814 --> 00:18:05,414 and began to develop techniques which would prove his hallmark. 304 00:18:05,414 --> 00:18:06,974 EVANS: I wrote a paragraph 305 00:18:06,974 --> 00:18:10,174 like this in The Sunday Times 306 00:18:10,174 --> 00:18:14,014 to say that Vancouver was introducing a campaign... 307 00:18:14,014 --> 00:18:18,774 no, introducing a program for what's called a Pap smear, 308 00:18:18,774 --> 00:18:22,014 to detect cervical cancer in women 309 00:18:22,014 --> 00:18:24,694 before it developed into full cancer. 310 00:18:24,694 --> 00:18:27,654 And I thought, "Well, why don't we have one of those?" 311 00:18:27,654 --> 00:18:31,454 NARRATOR: The method had been known since the 1920s 312 00:18:31,454 --> 00:18:34,134 and was in use in many other countries. 313 00:18:34,134 --> 00:18:36,414 Death rates began to fall remarkably 314 00:18:36,414 --> 00:18:39,094 after the American Cancer Society 315 00:18:39,094 --> 00:18:42,014 introduced Pap smears in 1957. 316 00:18:42,014 --> 00:18:46,334 Every year, 2,500 women died needlessly in the U.K. 317 00:18:48,334 --> 00:18:50,614 So we began a campaign. 318 00:18:50,614 --> 00:18:52,894 ♪ ♪ 319 00:18:55,614 --> 00:18:58,694 NARRATOR: He wrote editorials, articles and pamphlets 320 00:18:58,694 --> 00:19:02,013 and contacted every MP to try and persuade the government 321 00:19:02,013 --> 00:19:04,893 to have a screening program in Britain. 322 00:19:04,893 --> 00:19:09,253 The Minister of Health at the time was Enoch Powell. 323 00:19:09,253 --> 00:19:10,973 And so the local MP, Jeremy Braid, 324 00:19:10,973 --> 00:19:12,413 got up and asked a question. 325 00:19:12,413 --> 00:19:15,253 Said, "Uh, Minister, in the light of the articles 326 00:19:15,253 --> 00:19:17,893 "in the Northern Echo, will the minister agree to start 327 00:19:17,893 --> 00:19:21,493 a program for the detection of cervical cancer in women?" 328 00:19:21,493 --> 00:19:23,653 Mr. Powell rose. 329 00:19:23,653 --> 00:19:24,573 "No, sir." 330 00:19:24,573 --> 00:19:25,733 Okay. 331 00:19:25,733 --> 00:19:27,013 Week after week. 332 00:19:27,013 --> 00:19:30,533 "No, sir. No, sir. No, sir. No, sir." 333 00:19:30,533 --> 00:19:35,053 Here was a brilliant man without a heart. 334 00:19:35,053 --> 00:19:38,253 NARRATOR: The drip, drip, drip campaign continued, 335 00:19:38,253 --> 00:19:40,333 week in and week out. 336 00:19:40,333 --> 00:19:42,333 EVANS: Until, finally, 337 00:19:42,333 --> 00:19:44,493 the Minister of Health was changed to Anthony Barber, 338 00:19:44,493 --> 00:19:47,333 and he said, "Yes, sir. I'll set up a pilot program." 339 00:19:47,333 --> 00:19:50,493 NARRATOR: The Northern Echo's cervical cancer campaign 340 00:19:50,493 --> 00:19:52,413 showed how a newspaper could persuade 341 00:19:52,413 --> 00:19:55,493 those in power to change their minds. 342 00:19:55,493 --> 00:19:58,573 To this day, tens of thousands of women 343 00:19:58,573 --> 00:20:02,093 owe their lives to the power of the press. 344 00:20:04,612 --> 00:20:06,652 And Harry found that there was no shortage 345 00:20:06,652 --> 00:20:09,252 of wrongs to be righted. 346 00:20:12,932 --> 00:20:15,172 ♪ ♪ 347 00:20:48,972 --> 00:20:51,372 MOTHER: He wasn't a boy of violent nature. 348 00:20:51,372 --> 00:20:53,012 He loved his wife and baby. 349 00:20:53,012 --> 00:20:55,052 REPORTER: What did he tell you at the time though, 350 00:20:55,052 --> 00:20:56,932 when you went to see him in prison? 351 00:20:56,932 --> 00:20:58,572 MOTHER: He said, "Go and see Christie, Mum. 352 00:20:58,572 --> 00:21:00,332 He's the only man can help me." 353 00:21:00,332 --> 00:21:02,692 He said, "I never touched 'em." He said, "Christie done it." 354 00:21:02,692 --> 00:21:04,452 PARKINSON: At the time, 355 00:21:04,452 --> 00:21:05,652 the trial of Timothy Evans 356 00:21:05,652 --> 00:21:07,571 excited very little public interest. 357 00:21:07,571 --> 00:21:09,891 But three years after Evans had-had been hung, 358 00:21:09,891 --> 00:21:13,731 his trial took on a new and disturbing importance. 359 00:21:13,731 --> 00:21:15,891 In March, 1953, 360 00:21:15,891 --> 00:21:19,011 the bodies of three strangled women were discovered here, 361 00:21:19,011 --> 00:21:22,011 in this alcove in Christie's kitchen. 362 00:21:22,011 --> 00:21:25,651 HAROLD EVANS: They quickly executed Christie 363 00:21:25,651 --> 00:21:28,651 without really uncovering the true story, 364 00:21:28,651 --> 00:21:31,051 which was that Christie was a serial killer. 365 00:21:31,051 --> 00:21:32,931 He'd killed many women. 366 00:21:32,931 --> 00:21:38,291 He just happened to be in the same house with Evans. 367 00:21:38,291 --> 00:21:40,371 NARRATOR: Questions were now being asked 368 00:21:40,371 --> 00:21:42,851 about the Evans verdict. 369 00:21:42,851 --> 00:21:45,691 Harry's involvement began when he was contacted 370 00:21:45,691 --> 00:21:48,291 by a local businessman in the Northeast. 371 00:21:48,291 --> 00:21:51,891 EVANS: Herbert Wolf sent me an article. 372 00:21:51,891 --> 00:21:55,411 And I'm reading this article, and I'm so... 373 00:21:55,411 --> 00:21:57,091 shocked. 374 00:21:57,091 --> 00:22:00,091 I went to see the Home Secretary who signed the death warrant, 375 00:22:00,091 --> 00:22:02,811 and I said, "You signed the death warrant." 376 00:22:02,811 --> 00:22:05,491 He said, "I-I did, and I regret it. 377 00:22:05,491 --> 00:22:07,451 We hanged the wrong man." 378 00:22:07,451 --> 00:22:09,170 I said, "We've got to get it... justice done." 379 00:22:09,170 --> 00:22:11,170 He said, "You will never get it done 380 00:22:11,170 --> 00:22:13,770 against the forces of Whitehall." 381 00:22:13,770 --> 00:22:16,290 So I got hold of Herbert Wolf, 382 00:22:16,290 --> 00:22:18,650 and the two of us decided to work together. 383 00:22:18,650 --> 00:22:21,730 And we... I published one editorial, 384 00:22:21,730 --> 00:22:24,170 then another editorial, then another editorial. 385 00:22:24,170 --> 00:22:25,450 I commissioned articles 386 00:22:25,450 --> 00:22:27,370 on previous hangings that had gone wrong, 387 00:22:27,370 --> 00:22:29,090 the history of the death penalty, 388 00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:31,770 the life of Timothy Evans, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 389 00:22:31,770 --> 00:22:36,050 NARRATOR: The Echo campaign lasted 12 months. 390 00:22:36,050 --> 00:22:38,090 Every edition of the paper was decorated 391 00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:41,810 with the Man on Our Conscience logo. 392 00:22:41,810 --> 00:22:44,490 Relentlessly, this drip, drip, drip went on 393 00:22:44,490 --> 00:22:46,490 until even the staff began to wonder 394 00:22:46,490 --> 00:22:49,650 if it was going to succeed. 395 00:22:49,650 --> 00:22:54,450 EVANS: A newspaper campaign has to be prolonged, very often. 396 00:22:54,450 --> 00:22:55,890 Because the forces 397 00:22:55,890 --> 00:22:58,610 of rigidity are strong, 398 00:22:58,610 --> 00:23:00,490 particularly in bureaucracies. 399 00:23:00,490 --> 00:23:05,450 And, secondly, it takes time for the penny to drop. 400 00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:09,210 There's a famous American editor who said, 401 00:23:09,210 --> 00:23:14,009 "The moment a newspaper man tires of his campaign 402 00:23:14,009 --> 00:23:15,769 "is the moment 403 00:23:15,769 --> 00:23:19,209 the public is just beginning to notice it." 404 00:23:19,209 --> 00:23:21,929 NARRATOR: Meanwhile, there was a growing consensus 405 00:23:21,929 --> 00:23:23,689 in the country that the time 406 00:23:23,689 --> 00:23:26,809 to abolish the death penalty had come. 407 00:23:26,809 --> 00:23:28,689 EVANS: And, finally, 408 00:23:28,689 --> 00:23:31,169 the Home Secretary was now a new man 409 00:23:31,169 --> 00:23:33,969 called Roy Jenkins, 410 00:23:33,969 --> 00:23:35,929 great reforming Home Secretary, 411 00:23:35,929 --> 00:23:38,609 and he announced that we'd have a public enquiry 412 00:23:38,609 --> 00:23:40,409 into the hanging. 413 00:23:40,409 --> 00:23:42,249 It was a model verdict, 414 00:23:42,249 --> 00:23:44,769 but, nonetheless, it enabled Roy Jenkins 415 00:23:44,769 --> 00:23:46,569 to get up in the House of Commons 416 00:23:46,569 --> 00:23:48,249 and, uh, announce a pardon. 417 00:23:50,369 --> 00:23:54,249 So we won. And at the same time, the death penalty was abolished. 418 00:23:54,249 --> 00:23:58,009 Now, I can't claim that we abolished the death penalty. 419 00:23:58,009 --> 00:24:01,569 Many campaigners had been on that, 420 00:24:01,569 --> 00:24:04,129 uh, particularly Sydney Silverman. 421 00:24:04,129 --> 00:24:06,849 But I think we can say that Herbert Wolf 422 00:24:06,849 --> 00:24:09,609 and Ludovic Kennedy and Michael Eddowes 423 00:24:09,609 --> 00:24:14,888 and, to some extent, myself helped to speed up the process. 424 00:24:27,128 --> 00:24:30,208 NARRATOR: By 1962, the full horror of thalidomide 425 00:24:30,208 --> 00:24:33,208 was obvious, and the drug banned worldwide. 426 00:24:33,208 --> 00:24:35,488 (news theme playing) 427 00:24:35,488 --> 00:24:38,608 MALE REPORTER: The problem of tighter controls to prevent 428 00:24:38,608 --> 00:24:42,648 the distribution of dangerous drugs such as thalidomide 429 00:24:42,648 --> 00:24:44,568 is a matter of concern to the president 430 00:24:44,568 --> 00:24:45,728 at his news conference. 431 00:24:45,728 --> 00:24:47,528 He outlines the steps 432 00:24:47,528 --> 00:24:49,608 the government plans to take. 433 00:24:49,608 --> 00:24:50,928 KENNEDY: The Food and Drug Administration 434 00:24:50,928 --> 00:24:54,048 have had nearly 200 people working on this. 435 00:24:54,048 --> 00:24:57,128 Every doctor, every hospital, every nurse have been notified. 436 00:24:57,128 --> 00:25:00,608 Every woman in this country, I think, 437 00:25:00,608 --> 00:25:02,528 must be aware that it's most important 438 00:25:02,528 --> 00:25:04,928 that they check their medicine cabinet and that 439 00:25:04,928 --> 00:25:07,968 they do not take this drug, that they turn it in. 440 00:25:11,528 --> 00:25:14,167 NARRATOR: But unlike the American health authorities, 441 00:25:14,167 --> 00:25:16,727 the British Minister of Health, Enoch Powell, 442 00:25:16,727 --> 00:25:18,647 said no to a public inquiry, 443 00:25:18,647 --> 00:25:21,727 no to setting up a drugs testing center, 444 00:25:21,727 --> 00:25:25,167 no to issuing a warning against anyone using leftover pills, 445 00:25:25,167 --> 00:25:26,487 because he thought it 446 00:25:26,487 --> 00:25:28,727 a scare-mongering publicity stunt, 447 00:25:28,727 --> 00:25:32,447 and no to giving a statement afterwards. 448 00:25:32,447 --> 00:25:36,167 "No need to bring the press into this," he said. 449 00:25:36,167 --> 00:25:38,527 EVANS: Mr. Enoch Powell 450 00:25:38,527 --> 00:25:41,047 had been asked if he would set up a public inquiry 451 00:25:41,047 --> 00:25:44,127 to discover how was it possible 452 00:25:44,127 --> 00:25:47,687 for a National Health Service doctor 453 00:25:47,687 --> 00:25:50,687 to prescribe a pill which is going to have 454 00:25:50,687 --> 00:25:52,567 these devastating effects. 455 00:25:52,567 --> 00:25:55,287 Mr. Enoch Powell said, "No, sir." 456 00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:56,927 The thalidomide parents went to see him, 457 00:25:56,927 --> 00:25:58,367 and had the same answer. 458 00:25:58,367 --> 00:26:00,647 And the civil servants gave them the same answer. 459 00:26:00,647 --> 00:26:02,287 Everybody gave the same answer-- 460 00:26:02,287 --> 00:26:06,327 i.e. you're on your own. 461 00:26:10,047 --> 00:26:12,367 NARRATOR: Powell's unwillingness to help them 462 00:26:12,367 --> 00:26:14,607 left the families with only one remedy: 463 00:26:14,607 --> 00:26:17,126 To sue the manufacturers for negligence. 464 00:26:17,126 --> 00:26:19,366 But the families had pitted themselves 465 00:26:19,366 --> 00:26:22,046 against a formidable opponent. 466 00:26:23,566 --> 00:26:26,486 Worth the equivalent today of four billion pounds, 467 00:26:26,486 --> 00:26:29,766 Distillers Group produced a raft of famous brands, 468 00:26:29,766 --> 00:26:32,886 including such household names as Johnnie Walker Whisky 469 00:26:32,886 --> 00:26:35,406 and Gordon's Gin. 470 00:26:39,046 --> 00:26:41,126 Its chairman, Alexander MacDonald, 471 00:26:41,126 --> 00:26:44,926 had gained a reputation as a man of granite. 472 00:26:47,566 --> 00:26:50,446 The families had to rely on public funding. 473 00:26:50,446 --> 00:26:54,126 But the government begrudged spending taxpayers' money 474 00:26:54,126 --> 00:26:57,046 on what it regarded as a weak case. 475 00:26:59,646 --> 00:27:02,646 Every single newspaper said the same thing-- 476 00:27:02,646 --> 00:27:06,806 The Guardian, the Economist, The Times, the Telegraph-- 477 00:27:06,806 --> 00:27:09,246 saying the same thing as the drug company, 478 00:27:09,246 --> 00:27:10,686 the Ministry of Health. 479 00:27:10,686 --> 00:27:14,126 What they were saying was... 480 00:27:14,126 --> 00:27:16,766 this drug was tested 481 00:27:16,766 --> 00:27:19,645 according to the standards of the time 482 00:27:19,645 --> 00:27:24,485 when nobody thought a drug could cross the placental barrier 483 00:27:24,485 --> 00:27:27,325 and affect the fetus. 484 00:27:27,325 --> 00:27:31,365 And the solicitors representing the families had accepted this. 485 00:27:31,365 --> 00:27:34,285 So if you imagine, here you have the families 486 00:27:34,285 --> 00:27:37,605 represented by a legal firm 487 00:27:37,605 --> 00:27:42,685 who agrees with them that there's no case for the parents. 488 00:27:42,685 --> 00:27:45,405 You can't have a case of negligence, 489 00:27:45,405 --> 00:27:47,005 because there's been no negligence, 490 00:27:47,005 --> 00:27:50,045 because they did the standard test at the time. 491 00:27:51,325 --> 00:27:53,405 NARRATOR: With no idea of the darker background 492 00:27:53,405 --> 00:27:55,325 to thalidomide, Harry ran a story 493 00:27:55,325 --> 00:27:56,925 in The Northern Echo in order 494 00:27:56,925 --> 00:27:59,165 to win sympathy for the children. 495 00:27:59,165 --> 00:28:01,245 EVANS: I published these photographs 496 00:28:01,245 --> 00:28:05,765 expecting to evoke sympathy for the children. 497 00:28:05,765 --> 00:28:09,645 And what I got instead of sympathy was criticism. 498 00:28:09,645 --> 00:28:12,685 Uh, uh, not a... almost a denunciation. 499 00:28:12,685 --> 00:28:15,405 "We do not want to see pictures like this 500 00:28:15,405 --> 00:28:17,605 "in our newspaper. 501 00:28:17,605 --> 00:28:23,044 "Please do not show us these scary things." 502 00:28:23,044 --> 00:28:25,324 NARRATOR: Although most families were scared off 503 00:28:25,324 --> 00:28:29,684 by Distillers lawyers, 62 families did issue writs. 504 00:28:29,684 --> 00:28:31,564 Once the writs had been issued though, 505 00:28:31,564 --> 00:28:34,044 it became illegal for the press to print facts 506 00:28:34,044 --> 00:28:36,044 or comment on a pending trial. 507 00:28:36,044 --> 00:28:38,884 With thalidomide, this meant that nothing could be published 508 00:28:38,884 --> 00:28:41,924 that might influence a judge until every case-- 509 00:28:41,924 --> 00:28:45,644 every single case-- had been settled by the courts. 510 00:28:45,644 --> 00:28:47,524 GEOFFREY ROBERTSON: Whenever 511 00:28:47,524 --> 00:28:49,764 a-a rich company was... 512 00:28:49,764 --> 00:28:52,924 had acted badly, they would sue. 513 00:28:52,924 --> 00:28:55,924 They would issue what we called "a gagging writ," 514 00:28:55,924 --> 00:28:59,844 which gagged all criticism under the pretext 515 00:28:59,844 --> 00:29:02,884 that it was sub judice, that it was in court. 516 00:29:02,884 --> 00:29:05,284 So no one could comment critically 517 00:29:05,284 --> 00:29:07,324 on any of the parties. 518 00:29:07,324 --> 00:29:11,004 NARRATOR: Distillers response to the 62 families 519 00:29:11,004 --> 00:29:13,444 was to wait until just over three years 520 00:29:13,444 --> 00:29:15,404 to reach an out-of-court settlement, 521 00:29:15,404 --> 00:29:18,084 in which, although not accepting liability, 522 00:29:18,084 --> 00:29:20,843 they agreed to pay some compensation. 523 00:29:20,843 --> 00:29:23,083 Most of the other victims' families 524 00:29:23,083 --> 00:29:26,963 had no idea that a settlement had been in the offing. 525 00:29:26,963 --> 00:29:28,683 By design or happy coincidence, 526 00:29:28,683 --> 00:29:32,443 once the case had been settled and the press free to report, 527 00:29:32,443 --> 00:29:34,403 the three years statute of limitations 528 00:29:34,403 --> 00:29:36,763 on personal damages had expired. 529 00:29:36,763 --> 00:29:39,523 The families of the other parents were deemed 530 00:29:39,523 --> 00:29:43,603 out of time and wouldn't be able to sue. 531 00:29:43,603 --> 00:29:47,683 One of the out-of-time parents was David Mason. 532 00:29:49,883 --> 00:29:52,403 MALE REPORTER: David Mason, West End art dealer. 533 00:29:52,403 --> 00:29:54,603 A man who built up his business from scratch 534 00:29:54,603 --> 00:29:56,443 when he was earning three pounds a week. 535 00:29:56,443 --> 00:29:58,443 Father of four, 536 00:29:58,443 --> 00:30:01,163 and one of them one of the first thalidomide children. 537 00:30:01,163 --> 00:30:04,203 And a man who, alone, pitted himself 538 00:30:04,203 --> 00:30:06,443 against the multimillion pound might 539 00:30:06,443 --> 00:30:08,683 of the Distillers company. 540 00:30:12,923 --> 00:30:15,403 MASON: I can remember thinking, 541 00:30:15,403 --> 00:30:19,003 even in those days-- w-was not a litigious society-- 542 00:30:19,003 --> 00:30:21,963 "I'm going after Distillers, 543 00:30:21,963 --> 00:30:23,722 "and I'm gonna make them accountable 544 00:30:23,722 --> 00:30:25,642 "for all these deformities 545 00:30:25,642 --> 00:30:27,322 that they've caused with other children." 546 00:30:27,322 --> 00:30:29,522 I hadn't been told how many were involved, 547 00:30:29,522 --> 00:30:32,442 but I knew that there were other children involved, 548 00:30:32,442 --> 00:30:33,922 were other victims. 549 00:30:33,922 --> 00:30:36,442 And that was the start of it. 550 00:30:37,642 --> 00:30:41,042 NARRATOR: It would also be a new start 551 00:30:41,042 --> 00:30:43,562 for Harry Evans. 552 00:30:43,562 --> 00:30:47,522 The campaigns of this obscure northern newspaper editor 553 00:30:47,522 --> 00:30:50,082 and, in particular, that of cervical cancer, 554 00:30:50,082 --> 00:30:52,162 had caught the eye of the then editor 555 00:30:52,162 --> 00:30:53,882 of The Sunday Times, 556 00:30:53,882 --> 00:30:57,882 Denis Hamilton, who was on the lookout for his successor. 557 00:30:57,882 --> 00:31:00,482 It had taken just 20 years 558 00:31:00,482 --> 00:31:02,962 from his first days at the Ashton Under-lyne Reporter 559 00:31:02,962 --> 00:31:05,482 for the boy who failed his 11-Plus 560 00:31:05,482 --> 00:31:08,042 to be offered the editorship of one of the most 561 00:31:08,042 --> 00:31:11,202 highly-regarded newspapers in the world. 562 00:31:14,322 --> 00:31:17,562 Harry Evans' Sunday Times was a-a kind of golden age, 563 00:31:17,562 --> 00:31:19,882 not only because of the editorship, 564 00:31:19,882 --> 00:31:22,122 but also because of the proprietorship. 565 00:31:23,562 --> 00:31:27,041 So, he edited under Lord Thomson, who was the last 566 00:31:27,041 --> 00:31:30,161 of the sort of grandee broadsheet press barons. 567 00:31:31,641 --> 00:31:33,921 Basically, most of my time on The Sunday Times 568 00:31:33,921 --> 00:31:35,721 was on investigative journalism. 569 00:31:35,721 --> 00:31:39,401 Well, it's a hell of a difficult job. 570 00:31:48,281 --> 00:31:50,441 PHILLIP KNIGHTLEY: Working for him was fun. 571 00:31:50,441 --> 00:31:52,161 I got up every day 572 00:31:52,161 --> 00:31:56,681 with a sense of adventure, going in to The Sunday Times, 573 00:31:56,681 --> 00:31:59,001 of what we're going to do this week. 574 00:31:59,001 --> 00:32:01,521 And whatever it was, it was going to be bright 575 00:32:01,521 --> 00:32:03,601 and it was going to cause people who, 576 00:32:03,601 --> 00:32:06,121 as they opened their Sunday Times 577 00:32:06,121 --> 00:32:09,161 on Sunday morning to say, "Wow." 578 00:32:09,161 --> 00:32:10,761 NARRATOR: The Sunday Times employed 579 00:32:10,761 --> 00:32:12,121 its investigative journalists 580 00:32:12,121 --> 00:32:15,641 as part of a team known as Insight. 581 00:32:15,641 --> 00:32:18,041 -Leave this page. -ELAINE POTTER: Harry understood 582 00:32:18,041 --> 00:32:21,641 the importance of teams of journalists 583 00:32:21,641 --> 00:32:24,241 whirring away at really difficult 584 00:32:24,241 --> 00:32:26,600 long-term projects. 585 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,760 News. That is opinion. 586 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,800 It-it would have been very difficult to create, 587 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,200 I find it hard to imagine, with any other editor, 588 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,200 though others have tried, not totally successfully. 589 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,720 (typewriter clacking) 590 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,800 NARRATOR: In only his second month as editor, 591 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,240 Evans set his newly-formed Insight team 592 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,600 on an investigation that took eight months 593 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,720 and was bitterly resisted. 594 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,400 In 1951, British intelligence 595 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,160 got alarmed about how the Soviets 596 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,320 seemed to be one step ahead on British cooperation 597 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,200 with the Americans over nuclear weapons. 598 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,640 Two diplomats in Washington, 599 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,360 Guy Burgess and Donald Maclean, fled to Moscow 600 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,400 before they could be questioned. 601 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,040 Who tipped them off? 602 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,920 Might Kim Philby be the third man? 603 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,880 Well, if there was a third man, were you in fact the third man? 604 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,040 No, I was not. 605 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,840 KNIGHTLEY: The Sunday Times 606 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,600 took up the case because somebody had 607 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,519 told the editor, Harold Evans, 608 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,319 that, uh, Philby-- the Philby case-- 609 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:36,199 was far more important than anyone ever suspected. 610 00:33:36,199 --> 00:33:39,479 I mean, he must go down in history as the most remarkable, 611 00:33:39,479 --> 00:33:41,959 uh, penetration agent in the whole history of espionage. 612 00:33:41,959 --> 00:33:43,799 He was well on the way to becoming 613 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:45,279 head of British intelligence. 614 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,399 My chairman, Denis Hamilton, rang me up and said, 615 00:33:47,399 --> 00:33:50,039 "You'd better be in the House of Commons tomorrow 616 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:51,719 "because the Foreign Secretary 617 00:33:51,719 --> 00:33:55,159 is going to denounce you as a traitor." 618 00:33:55,159 --> 00:33:58,079 All I will say is we've published nothing 619 00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:01,159 which is not already known to the Russians. 620 00:34:01,159 --> 00:34:03,919 KNIGHTLEY: The government was intent on us 621 00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:08,079 not telling the story because it was such a terrible mess. 622 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:11,239 It was run by, uh, incompetence 623 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,079 and, uh, o... the... 624 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,039 from the old boy network. 625 00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:18,559 And I remember once, the... the head of the service came, 626 00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:20,279 when I was prime minister, into my room, 627 00:34:20,279 --> 00:34:22,159 rubbing his... he said, "I've got that chap. 628 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,199 I've got him. I've been after him for 18 months." 629 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,559 And I looked very gloomy, and he said, 630 00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:27,799 "Aren't you pleased, Prime Minister?" 631 00:34:27,799 --> 00:34:29,719 I said, "I'm not at all pleased." 632 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,558 He said, "We've been wonderful. 633 00:34:31,558 --> 00:34:34,678 Our chaps knew he was a wrong'un and we got him." 634 00:34:34,678 --> 00:34:37,118 "Yes", I said, "But when the keeper shoots a fox here, 635 00:34:37,118 --> 00:34:39,798 he doesn't hang it up outside the master of foxhounds' house." 636 00:34:39,798 --> 00:34:42,118 "What are we going to have now?" "We'll have an inquiry. 637 00:34:42,118 --> 00:34:44,678 "You'll be told your service is rotten from top to bottom. 638 00:34:44,678 --> 00:34:46,478 "You should have Lord Radcliffe as a commission. 639 00:34:46,478 --> 00:34:48,678 "We have a debate in the House of Commons, 640 00:34:48,678 --> 00:34:51,478 and the government will probably fall." 641 00:34:51,478 --> 00:34:53,038 "Well, see." 642 00:34:53,038 --> 00:34:54,318 Oh, you don't do those things. 643 00:34:54,318 --> 00:34:56,238 You put them quietly away. 644 00:35:00,398 --> 00:35:03,438 RALPH NADER: Harry Evans was, uh, editor for The Sunday Times 645 00:35:03,438 --> 00:35:06,238 in a country that had an Official Secrets Act. 646 00:35:06,238 --> 00:35:07,838 It was just the opposite, uh, 647 00:35:07,838 --> 00:35:09,598 of our freedom of information laws. 648 00:35:09,598 --> 00:35:13,518 That is the, uh, the, uh, presumption 649 00:35:13,518 --> 00:35:17,318 was secrecy, uh, in, uh, in the U.K. 650 00:35:17,318 --> 00:35:20,638 In-Instead of the presumption being openness, 651 00:35:20,638 --> 00:35:23,598 and then the government had to explain why some information 652 00:35:23,598 --> 00:35:25,718 was kept secret. So he was up against 653 00:35:25,718 --> 00:35:29,078 a very hostile atmosphere, which would have exposed him 654 00:35:29,078 --> 00:35:31,997 and his reporters to, literally, to prosecution. 655 00:35:42,357 --> 00:35:44,557 (typewriters clacking) 656 00:35:46,677 --> 00:35:49,797 EVANS: I had a very good staff at The Northern Echo. 657 00:35:49,797 --> 00:35:51,957 But nothing can compare the staff of people 658 00:35:51,957 --> 00:35:55,317 I had at The Sunday Times, who were not only more numerous, 659 00:35:55,317 --> 00:35:57,757 you know, more experienced and... 660 00:35:57,757 --> 00:36:02,077 So I said, "Let's keep an eye on the thalidomide children." 661 00:36:02,077 --> 00:36:04,237 (film projector rattling) 662 00:36:05,837 --> 00:36:07,517 NARRATOR: Although it had been reported 663 00:36:07,517 --> 00:36:10,197 that an agreement by Distillers and the 62 families 664 00:36:10,197 --> 00:36:12,597 who'd sued in time had been agreed, 665 00:36:12,597 --> 00:36:14,757 the press were not allowed to report anything 666 00:36:14,757 --> 00:36:16,557 regarding the financial settlement 667 00:36:16,557 --> 00:36:19,157 whilst the two unequal sides were in negotiations 668 00:36:19,157 --> 00:36:22,877 about what that level of compensation would be. 669 00:36:22,877 --> 00:36:25,597 EVANS: And it was finally agreed 670 00:36:25,597 --> 00:36:29,197 by Distillers that if the parents withdrew 671 00:36:29,197 --> 00:36:31,597 the charge of negligence, 672 00:36:31,597 --> 00:36:35,436 they would make a settlement of 40% 673 00:36:35,436 --> 00:36:37,996 of what a full settlement would be. 674 00:36:37,996 --> 00:36:41,116 So they'd go before a judge-- 675 00:36:41,116 --> 00:36:43,316 this story keeps getting worse and worse-- 676 00:36:43,316 --> 00:36:45,396 so they'd go before a judge to decide 677 00:36:45,396 --> 00:36:48,996 what would be 100% settlement, 678 00:36:48,996 --> 00:36:52,876 and knowing that they're only going to get 40% of it. 679 00:36:52,876 --> 00:36:55,836 Utterly and totally miserably inadequate. 680 00:36:57,756 --> 00:37:01,596 NARRATOR: He thought he had no opportunity to help, 681 00:37:01,596 --> 00:37:05,756 until The Sunday Times was contacted by a whistle-blower, 682 00:37:05,756 --> 00:37:09,556 who gave them 10,000 internal Distillers documents. 683 00:37:09,556 --> 00:37:13,476 EVANS: What the documents revealed was 684 00:37:13,476 --> 00:37:16,796 a unscrupulous marketing campaign 685 00:37:16,796 --> 00:37:18,836 to market this drug. 686 00:37:18,836 --> 00:37:21,236 What they did not reveal... 687 00:37:23,196 --> 00:37:25,596 ...was how the disaster had occurred. 688 00:37:25,596 --> 00:37:28,316 NARRATOR: They'd been warned of its danger 689 00:37:28,316 --> 00:37:30,956 five months before it was eventually withdrawn. 690 00:37:30,956 --> 00:37:34,396 Those five months were the period in which 691 00:37:34,396 --> 00:37:38,155 the majority of victims were conceived. 692 00:37:38,155 --> 00:37:41,235 These documents definitely could not be published, 693 00:37:41,235 --> 00:37:44,515 as they bore directly on a case before the courts. 694 00:37:44,515 --> 00:37:46,235 But a second set 695 00:37:46,235 --> 00:37:49,835 that came The Sunday Times' way had more potential. 696 00:37:49,835 --> 00:37:54,035 EVANS: So we now have The Sunday Times room packed 697 00:37:54,035 --> 00:37:55,635 with filing cabinets 698 00:37:55,635 --> 00:37:57,595 with documents in German being translated. 699 00:37:57,595 --> 00:37:59,995 NARRATOR: The second set were internal 700 00:37:59,995 --> 00:38:02,675 Chemie Grunenthal documents related to a case being brought 701 00:38:02,675 --> 00:38:05,075 against them in the German courts, 702 00:38:05,075 --> 00:38:09,315 in a size of trial not seen since Nuremberg. 703 00:38:10,795 --> 00:38:13,795 These documents catalogued a get-rich-quick mentality 704 00:38:13,795 --> 00:38:15,755 in which the safety of the drug 705 00:38:15,755 --> 00:38:19,155 had been the main selling point. 706 00:38:19,155 --> 00:38:23,475 Contergan was given to 370 test subjects, 707 00:38:23,475 --> 00:38:27,195 of whom 160 were nursing mothers. 708 00:38:29,515 --> 00:38:32,635 The report based on these trials stated that 709 00:38:32,635 --> 00:38:36,715 side effects were not observed either with mothers or babies. 710 00:38:38,114 --> 00:38:40,994 It cunningly implied that the babies were in the womb 711 00:38:40,994 --> 00:38:43,274 when the mothers took the drug. 712 00:38:43,274 --> 00:38:45,234 This was not true. 713 00:38:45,234 --> 00:38:48,554 EVANS: That raised the first crisis for us. 714 00:38:48,554 --> 00:38:51,714 Could we publish the story 715 00:38:51,714 --> 00:38:55,634 of how the German company marketed a drug 716 00:38:55,634 --> 00:38:57,354 without proper testing? 717 00:38:57,354 --> 00:39:00,994 Because did that bear on the British case, 718 00:39:00,994 --> 00:39:04,074 and if we published the German story, 719 00:39:04,074 --> 00:39:05,594 would it be contempt of court? 720 00:39:05,594 --> 00:39:08,634 NARRATOR: The lawyers pored over every word, 721 00:39:08,634 --> 00:39:11,634 bearing in mind that a breach of the contempt laws 722 00:39:11,634 --> 00:39:14,074 might see Harry wind up in jail. 723 00:39:14,074 --> 00:39:18,114 EVANS: So we did get ready to publish the German case, 724 00:39:18,114 --> 00:39:23,474 and Godfrey Hodgson produced a fantastic scary article 725 00:39:23,474 --> 00:39:27,274 that I put on the front page of the Review Section-- five pages 726 00:39:27,274 --> 00:39:30,674 with a picture of one of the German doctors 727 00:39:30,674 --> 00:39:33,394 who'd been involved with the Nazis. 728 00:39:33,394 --> 00:39:37,234 And I sat back in a defensive crouch... 729 00:39:38,954 --> 00:39:40,873 ...pretty sure we were going to get 730 00:39:40,873 --> 00:39:43,313 a contempt of court citation. 731 00:39:46,073 --> 00:39:47,993 NARRATOR: For the first time, 732 00:39:47,993 --> 00:39:50,993 thalidomide was shown to be a corporate disaster, 733 00:39:50,993 --> 00:39:53,593 rather than an act of God. 734 00:39:53,593 --> 00:39:55,833 But to Harry's frustration, 735 00:39:55,833 --> 00:39:59,593 the families' lawyers remained overawed by their opponents. 736 00:39:59,593 --> 00:40:01,553 Mindful that Distillers threatened 737 00:40:01,553 --> 00:40:04,033 that they were quite prepared for the case to go to court 738 00:40:04,033 --> 00:40:06,073 because they were confident of victory, 739 00:40:06,073 --> 00:40:08,393 the families' lawyers weren't emboldened 740 00:40:08,393 --> 00:40:10,233 by The Sunday Times article, 741 00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:13,313 but settled on a fraction of what their clients needed. 742 00:40:15,033 --> 00:40:19,953 And the judge-- a nice old man without a single clue-- 743 00:40:19,953 --> 00:40:24,273 sets a level of compensation which is ridiculously low. 744 00:40:25,953 --> 00:40:27,713 NARRATOR: Press reaction wasn't 745 00:40:27,713 --> 00:40:30,073 what Harry had expected, either. 746 00:40:30,073 --> 00:40:32,753 EVANS: The press headlined that 747 00:40:32,753 --> 00:40:35,993 as though the families had won the pools. 748 00:40:35,993 --> 00:40:40,313 Lottery prizes, as though they'd won millions. 749 00:40:40,313 --> 00:40:43,272 NARRATOR: Outraged by the inadequacy 750 00:40:43,272 --> 00:40:45,512 of the amount of money offered by Distillers, 751 00:40:45,512 --> 00:40:47,872 he decided to skirt around the law, 752 00:40:47,872 --> 00:40:50,672 and avoiding the subject of the company's negligence, 753 00:40:50,672 --> 00:40:53,992 published comment on the compensation. 754 00:40:53,992 --> 00:40:56,352 But even that was risky. 755 00:40:56,352 --> 00:41:01,592 I remember writing the headline, "What price a pound of flesh?" 756 00:41:01,592 --> 00:41:03,432 arguing that the levels were not enough. 757 00:41:03,432 --> 00:41:06,952 And the lawyer said, "I think that's contempt." 758 00:41:06,952 --> 00:41:08,552 Our own lawyer. 759 00:41:08,552 --> 00:41:10,912 I said, "Well, so be it. To hell with it." (chuckles) 760 00:41:10,912 --> 00:41:14,112 So we took the chance and published that article. 761 00:41:14,112 --> 00:41:16,512 That was 1969. 762 00:41:16,512 --> 00:41:18,712 The consequence of that settlement 763 00:41:18,712 --> 00:41:23,552 in 1969 was to suddenly alert 764 00:41:23,552 --> 00:41:26,032 the huge number of other families who hadn't realized 765 00:41:26,032 --> 00:41:28,752 that their children were thalidomide victims. 766 00:41:28,752 --> 00:41:30,872 They just thought they were unlucky, 767 00:41:30,872 --> 00:41:33,952 and they didn't know there was a prospect of a settlement. 768 00:41:33,952 --> 00:41:37,712 By the end of a couple of months, 769 00:41:37,712 --> 00:41:42,232 369 families had joined the few from the beginning, 770 00:41:42,232 --> 00:41:45,191 so we now had close to 500 families. 771 00:41:45,191 --> 00:41:49,631 The 369 were too late to sue, 772 00:41:49,631 --> 00:41:51,391 but the courts agreed 773 00:41:51,391 --> 00:41:55,551 that even though they were out of time, they could sue. 774 00:41:55,551 --> 00:41:59,271 So one day, I got a letter through the post, 775 00:41:59,271 --> 00:42:02,471 uh, saying that there was to be a meeting 776 00:42:02,471 --> 00:42:06,111 of all the thalidomide, uh, parents. 777 00:42:06,111 --> 00:42:08,671 So we duly went to the meeting, 778 00:42:08,671 --> 00:42:10,711 and when we got there, of course, there were-- 779 00:42:10,711 --> 00:42:14,591 I don't know-- 600, 700 people, something like that. 780 00:42:14,591 --> 00:42:17,511 NARRATOR: The lawyers spelled out the terms of the offer. 781 00:42:17,511 --> 00:42:19,911 It was even less generous than the award given 782 00:42:19,911 --> 00:42:22,791 to the original 62 who'd settled. 783 00:42:22,791 --> 00:42:25,191 And they put pressure on the families to accept 784 00:42:25,191 --> 00:42:28,511 by saying that if it wasn't agreed to by all the parents, 785 00:42:28,511 --> 00:42:30,231 no one would get anything. 786 00:42:30,231 --> 00:42:33,231 MASON: He drew this thing out, and, of course, there were 787 00:42:33,231 --> 00:42:35,231 occasional rounds of applause from the parents, 788 00:42:35,231 --> 00:42:36,711 because, let's face it, 789 00:42:36,711 --> 00:42:38,711 nobody thought they were ever going to get anything. 790 00:42:38,711 --> 00:42:40,431 And he said the mean figure 791 00:42:40,431 --> 00:42:44,271 of what it amounts to is three million pounds. 792 00:42:44,271 --> 00:42:47,070 So I thought, "Three million pounds? 793 00:42:47,070 --> 00:42:49,190 For 400 victims?" 794 00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:52,150 So I worked it out quickly, and I-I came to the conclusion 795 00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:56,190 that would mean with Louise, 8,000 pounds, 796 00:42:56,190 --> 00:42:59,150 or putting it crudely, 797 00:42:59,150 --> 00:43:02,510 2,000 pounds per arm and per leg. 798 00:43:02,510 --> 00:43:04,230 The outcome of the meeting was mixed. 799 00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:05,790 We had, on one hand... 800 00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:07,550 NARRATOR: Financially, David Mason was 801 00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:09,590 in the fortunate position that he could afford 802 00:43:09,590 --> 00:43:11,230 to reject the offer, 803 00:43:11,230 --> 00:43:13,950 but many of the parents were in a desperate plight. 804 00:43:13,950 --> 00:43:16,990 Distillers applied enormous emotional pressure, 805 00:43:16,990 --> 00:43:19,830 but Mason and a few others remained firm. 806 00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:21,190 ...where I want the small print to be... 807 00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:22,750 EVANS: There were five parents, 808 00:43:22,750 --> 00:43:26,670 one of them famous-- David Mason, an art dealer-- 809 00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:29,110 and others who said, "I'm not going to accept that. 810 00:43:29,110 --> 00:43:30,750 "I'm not going to accept this compensation 811 00:43:30,750 --> 00:43:33,950 for my daughter Louise, which is inadequate. Why should I?" 812 00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:35,710 And Distillers answer was, 813 00:43:35,710 --> 00:43:38,590 "You're sacrificing everybody else's compensation." 814 00:43:38,590 --> 00:43:40,070 MAN: You parents are happy with the settlement 815 00:43:40,070 --> 00:43:41,710 -that's been discussed? -(murmurs of agreement) 816 00:43:41,710 --> 00:43:43,550 We settle with the settlement. We'll settle with that. 817 00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:45,350 Uh, I received threatening letters. 818 00:43:45,350 --> 00:43:46,870 I received threatening phone calls. 819 00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:49,269 I was referred to by certain other parents 820 00:43:49,269 --> 00:43:50,389 as being unchristian. 821 00:43:50,389 --> 00:43:51,949 Mr. Mason does claim, in fact, 822 00:43:51,949 --> 00:43:53,749 that he represents most of the thalidomide parents. 823 00:43:53,749 --> 00:43:56,749 He does not claim, and it was proved in there just now! 824 00:43:56,749 --> 00:43:59,869 He might have claimed... be the spokesman for a few, 825 00:43:59,869 --> 00:44:02,669 but for the vast majority of parents, 826 00:44:02,669 --> 00:44:05,069 he doesn't represent them at all. 827 00:44:09,989 --> 00:44:11,549 NARRATOR: Mason had been advised 828 00:44:11,549 --> 00:44:13,789 that a figure of 20 million pounds, 829 00:44:13,789 --> 00:44:16,549 nearly seven times the amount offered by Distillers, 830 00:44:16,549 --> 00:44:18,189 was the minimum required 831 00:44:18,189 --> 00:44:21,109 for the long-term care of the children. 832 00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:25,309 But many of the other parents could not afford to hold out. 833 00:44:26,829 --> 00:44:30,669 GALVIN: It just went from bad to worse. 834 00:44:30,669 --> 00:44:34,629 He had no wheelchair, he had no helmet, he had ab... 835 00:44:34,629 --> 00:44:36,549 and I'll say, nothing. 836 00:44:36,549 --> 00:44:40,189 I took lettuce from the peel bucket, and tomatoes, 837 00:44:40,189 --> 00:44:41,749 and washed them and brought them home, 838 00:44:41,749 --> 00:44:43,869 and they lived on that for the weekend. 839 00:44:46,989 --> 00:44:49,628 DONNELLY: My parents were just typical working class parents. 840 00:44:49,628 --> 00:44:53,148 Me dad works on the tugs, on the River Mersey, 841 00:44:53,148 --> 00:44:56,228 and me mother was a housewife bringing up six kids, 842 00:44:56,228 --> 00:44:59,588 so they had no idea about class actions or lawyers, or, 843 00:44:59,588 --> 00:45:01,908 you know, suing people in court. 844 00:45:01,908 --> 00:45:03,828 It must have been a massive struggle 845 00:45:03,828 --> 00:45:05,868 for them really, you know. 846 00:45:05,868 --> 00:45:07,308 They had the burden 847 00:45:07,308 --> 00:45:09,348 of taking on the court cases and everything, 848 00:45:09,348 --> 00:45:12,908 and I just got on with me childhood. 849 00:45:20,628 --> 00:45:22,948 NARRATOR: Distillers identified David Mason 850 00:45:22,948 --> 00:45:25,548 as the ringleader of the small group standing out 851 00:45:25,548 --> 00:45:29,348 against a deal being struck, and they increased the pressure 852 00:45:29,348 --> 00:45:31,828 by threatening to withdraw their offer. 853 00:45:31,828 --> 00:45:35,028 Divide and rule seemed to be the order of the day. 854 00:45:35,028 --> 00:45:37,028 MASON: And the next dreadful thing 855 00:45:37,028 --> 00:45:39,588 that, uh, happened was that, uh, 856 00:45:39,588 --> 00:45:42,268 I received a writ through the post. 857 00:45:42,268 --> 00:45:43,868 Distillers took me into the court 858 00:45:43,868 --> 00:45:46,028 and tried to take my daughter away from me 859 00:45:46,028 --> 00:45:48,348 and have her made a ward of court 860 00:45:48,348 --> 00:45:50,308 on the grounds that by refusing this offer, 861 00:45:50,308 --> 00:45:52,307 I was acting against her best interests. 862 00:45:52,307 --> 00:45:54,067 Therefore, if they made her a ward of court, 863 00:45:54,067 --> 00:45:56,227 the official solicitor would act for her. 864 00:45:56,227 --> 00:45:58,467 The official solicitor would sign off on Louise, 865 00:45:58,467 --> 00:46:00,027 and everybody would get their money. 866 00:46:00,027 --> 00:46:03,187 NARRATOR: Mason lost custody of his daughter, 867 00:46:03,187 --> 00:46:07,147 but he appealed, and a date was set for the court case. 868 00:46:07,147 --> 00:46:10,427 Along with their own action, Distillers financed 869 00:46:10,427 --> 00:46:13,467 the legal teams of some of the parents who wanted to settle. 870 00:46:13,467 --> 00:46:15,787 The crux of their argument being 871 00:46:15,787 --> 00:46:17,907 that no successful claims had been made 872 00:46:17,907 --> 00:46:19,547 anywhere in the world, 873 00:46:19,547 --> 00:46:22,547 and that Mason was acting unreasonably. 874 00:46:22,547 --> 00:46:27,307 Their method of defense was to launch an attack. 875 00:46:27,307 --> 00:46:30,747 Justice Hinchcliffe removed Mason's... 876 00:46:30,747 --> 00:46:33,347 removed the parental rights of Mason and the others. 877 00:46:33,347 --> 00:46:35,467 (chuckles): His-his... 878 00:46:35,467 --> 00:46:39,707 His children were now consigned to the treasury solicitor. 879 00:46:39,707 --> 00:46:40,987 It's like... 880 00:46:40,987 --> 00:46:42,907 Bleak House is not in it. 881 00:46:45,627 --> 00:46:47,467 NARRATOR: Through a mutual friend, 882 00:46:47,467 --> 00:46:49,947 David Mason was introduced to the Daily Mail's editor, 883 00:46:49,947 --> 00:46:52,506 David English, who, moved by the story, 884 00:46:52,506 --> 00:46:56,146 agreed to publish a series of articles on Mason's struggle. 885 00:46:56,146 --> 00:46:58,906 Hello. Yes. David Mason. 886 00:47:02,866 --> 00:47:05,306 NARRATOR: But he warned that if he proceeded, 887 00:47:05,306 --> 00:47:07,466 the Distillers deal may be withdrawn, 888 00:47:07,466 --> 00:47:10,226 and the other parents would be out for his blood. 889 00:47:10,226 --> 00:47:13,506 MASON: Out came the first edition 890 00:47:13,506 --> 00:47:16,266 of the Daily Mail-- wham!-- 891 00:47:16,266 --> 00:47:18,626 where they ran, for four days, double page spread, 892 00:47:18,626 --> 00:47:20,786 spelling out exactly what had gone on, 893 00:47:20,786 --> 00:47:22,986 and all hell was let loose. 894 00:47:25,666 --> 00:47:27,706 And the attorney general's running around, 895 00:47:27,706 --> 00:47:29,386 injunctions were being sought, 896 00:47:29,386 --> 00:47:34,146 God knows what, and eventually an injunction was obtained. 897 00:47:36,026 --> 00:47:39,106 EVANS: Nobody would talk to David Mason after that. 898 00:47:39,106 --> 00:47:40,706 The Daily Mail 899 00:47:40,706 --> 00:47:43,586 was told by the attorney general it was liable 900 00:47:43,586 --> 00:47:47,946 for a contempt prosecution, and it dropped it. 901 00:47:50,706 --> 00:47:52,706 NARRATOR: As the appeal date loomed, 902 00:47:52,706 --> 00:47:55,025 Mason was contacted by an American lawyer 903 00:47:55,025 --> 00:47:57,865 who had read one of the Daily Mail articles. 904 00:47:57,865 --> 00:48:00,545 Distillers had argued that no one had ever won a case 905 00:48:00,545 --> 00:48:03,145 for compensation against the makers of thalidomide, 906 00:48:03,145 --> 00:48:05,385 and therefore, Mason was acting unreasonably, 907 00:48:05,385 --> 00:48:08,825 like a barrack room lawyer, in pursuing his claim. 908 00:48:08,825 --> 00:48:12,385 But the American had won just such a case in the U.S. 909 00:48:12,385 --> 00:48:15,505 With only the weekend before he was due back in court, 910 00:48:15,505 --> 00:48:17,185 Mason flew to America, 911 00:48:17,185 --> 00:48:19,985 where he was given copies of the court papers. 912 00:48:24,785 --> 00:48:26,305 He arrived back in the U.K. 913 00:48:26,305 --> 00:48:28,545 on the morning his appeal was to be heard, 914 00:48:28,545 --> 00:48:31,985 and got the papers in front of the judge, Lord Denning. 915 00:48:31,985 --> 00:48:34,705 (tires squeal) 916 00:48:34,705 --> 00:48:36,265 MASON: Denning came in, 917 00:48:36,265 --> 00:48:39,545 put his papers on the table, bad-tempered way, 918 00:48:39,545 --> 00:48:41,825 and sat down and said, "Now, then." 919 00:48:41,825 --> 00:48:43,785 He said, "I'd like all the people 920 00:48:43,785 --> 00:48:45,825 representing the other parents," 921 00:48:45,825 --> 00:48:47,905 he said, "and Distillers to stand up." 922 00:48:47,905 --> 00:48:51,305 He said, "Do you recall having told me, having told this court, 923 00:48:51,305 --> 00:48:54,385 "that no case had ever taken place anywhere in the world 924 00:48:54,385 --> 00:48:56,264 with a successful outcome?" 925 00:48:56,264 --> 00:48:58,024 "Uh, yes." 926 00:48:58,024 --> 00:49:00,504 He said, "Well," he said, "I have to tell you, 927 00:49:00,504 --> 00:49:01,744 "I have the court record that... 928 00:49:01,744 --> 00:49:03,704 "that Mr. Mason found over the weekend. 929 00:49:03,704 --> 00:49:05,544 What have you got to say about that?" "We didn't..." 930 00:49:05,544 --> 00:49:07,544 "You didn't? You didn't what? You didn't know about it? 931 00:49:07,544 --> 00:49:09,104 You didn't... you didn't know about it?" 932 00:49:09,104 --> 00:49:11,064 He said, "Well, for a barrack room lawyer 933 00:49:11,064 --> 00:49:14,384 and a man of perverse views," he said, 934 00:49:14,384 --> 00:49:16,224 "Mr. Mason hasn't done bad, has he?" 935 00:49:16,224 --> 00:49:18,224 So there was sort of silence. 936 00:49:18,224 --> 00:49:20,104 He said, "I'm adjourning the court." 937 00:49:20,104 --> 00:49:22,864 Bottom line: I won her back. 938 00:49:22,864 --> 00:49:24,504 I won her back. 939 00:49:28,664 --> 00:49:32,024 NARRATOR: Although David Mason had won a person victory, 940 00:49:32,024 --> 00:49:34,424 the press were still muzzled on the wider issues 941 00:49:34,424 --> 00:49:36,384 regarding the compensation. 942 00:49:36,384 --> 00:49:38,584 In the end, he refused to waste his time 943 00:49:38,584 --> 00:49:40,824 giving interviews that never appeared, 944 00:49:40,824 --> 00:49:44,144 spiked by newspapers' lawyers citing contempt of court. 945 00:49:46,504 --> 00:49:48,624 The thalidomide children receded back 946 00:49:48,624 --> 00:49:50,984 into the vacuum of silence, 947 00:49:50,984 --> 00:49:54,104 exactly where Distillers wanted them. 948 00:50:04,583 --> 00:50:06,343 Anthony, 949 00:50:06,343 --> 00:50:09,023 I've got a letter from the chairman of Distillers. 950 00:50:09,023 --> 00:50:10,503 I'll read it to you. 951 00:50:10,503 --> 00:50:12,143 "Thank you for your letter of 23 June..." 952 00:50:12,143 --> 00:50:14,543 EVANS: From time to time, you become 953 00:50:14,543 --> 00:50:17,063 absolutely convinced you're going to achieve something. 954 00:50:17,063 --> 00:50:18,743 I didn't... 955 00:50:18,743 --> 00:50:21,463 always expect that, but in the thalidomide case, I did, 956 00:50:21,463 --> 00:50:26,303 'cause it seemed to me it was so transparently an injustice. 957 00:50:26,303 --> 00:50:29,023 Phil Knightley stayed on the story, 958 00:50:29,023 --> 00:50:31,743 keeping in touch with the parents. 959 00:50:31,743 --> 00:50:33,383 And that moment when he came 960 00:50:33,383 --> 00:50:35,023 into my office and said, 961 00:50:35,023 --> 00:50:38,263 "They're being offered half of what they are entitled to 962 00:50:38,263 --> 00:50:40,383 by comparison with the earlier judgment," 963 00:50:40,383 --> 00:50:44,703 that was when I decided to start the campaign. 964 00:50:44,703 --> 00:50:46,503 Harry Evans said, 965 00:50:46,503 --> 00:50:49,023 "If necessary, I'll run a story about thalidomide 966 00:50:49,023 --> 00:50:52,103 for the next ten years to get justice for these children." 967 00:50:52,103 --> 00:50:55,703 I know that sounds like a-a film script, but that's what he said. 968 00:50:55,703 --> 00:50:58,463 NARRATOR: Harry decided it was time 969 00:50:58,463 --> 00:51:02,062 to contact the most prominent thalidomide parent. 970 00:51:02,062 --> 00:51:04,182 He had an idea of the next step. 971 00:51:04,182 --> 00:51:06,782 So he sent Phillip Knightley to see him. 972 00:51:06,782 --> 00:51:08,302 MASON: He said, 973 00:51:08,302 --> 00:51:10,382 "I want you to come down to The Sunday Times," 974 00:51:10,382 --> 00:51:13,222 he said, "and, uh, meet Harold Evans 975 00:51:13,222 --> 00:51:15,102 and meet some of the board." 976 00:51:15,102 --> 00:51:17,702 And he said, "I'm on the Insight team." 977 00:51:17,702 --> 00:51:20,062 He said, "And we think we have a way 978 00:51:20,062 --> 00:51:22,582 of freeing you up and helping you." 979 00:51:22,582 --> 00:51:25,462 James Evans, no relation of Harry Evans 980 00:51:25,462 --> 00:51:28,102 but as their lawyer, had found a way through. 981 00:51:28,102 --> 00:51:29,942 JAMES EVANS: Our argument throughout was 982 00:51:29,942 --> 00:51:32,862 contempt is about prejudicing the legal issues in a case. 983 00:51:32,862 --> 00:51:34,542 If you steer clear of those 984 00:51:34,542 --> 00:51:36,662 but advance the moral arguments, 985 00:51:36,662 --> 00:51:38,942 then you should be allowed to do this. 986 00:51:38,942 --> 00:51:40,862 Now, there was no decision on-on this, 987 00:51:40,862 --> 00:51:44,302 and, uh, we just had to take a bit of a chance on it. 988 00:51:44,302 --> 00:51:49,422 And this provided us with the opportunity to-to write about... 989 00:51:49,422 --> 00:51:51,462 to write about thalidomide on a... 990 00:51:51,462 --> 00:51:53,622 from a moral point of view 991 00:51:53,622 --> 00:51:56,782 rather than from the negligence point of view. 992 00:51:56,782 --> 00:51:58,542 I mean, it should be quite a short hearing. 993 00:51:58,542 --> 00:52:01,981 HAROLD EVANS: James Evans saw it as his job not to stop us 994 00:52:01,981 --> 00:52:05,141 publishing things which were in the public interest, 995 00:52:05,141 --> 00:52:06,741 but to justify them 996 00:52:06,741 --> 00:52:09,541 once we were satisfied it was in the public interest 997 00:52:09,541 --> 00:52:12,181 and to find the justification in law 998 00:52:12,181 --> 00:52:14,221 for getting round 999 00:52:14,221 --> 00:52:18,781 the most restrictive press laws in Western democracy. 1000 00:52:18,781 --> 00:52:21,501 He was so calm. 1001 00:52:21,501 --> 00:52:24,021 He said, "I get the picture." 1002 00:52:24,021 --> 00:52:28,621 Tourist says, "Find me a safe way up the Eiger." 1003 00:52:28,621 --> 00:52:31,221 One wanted to be sure that one took the editor 1004 00:52:31,221 --> 00:52:33,981 up this sort of, as it were, north face of the Eiger 1005 00:52:33,981 --> 00:52:35,781 by the safest possible route. 1006 00:52:35,781 --> 00:52:39,621 Uh, but, of course, uh, the editor carries the can here. 1007 00:52:39,621 --> 00:52:43,101 NARRATOR: Harry and James spent late nights making sure 1008 00:52:43,101 --> 00:52:44,621 they'd covered every base, 1009 00:52:44,621 --> 00:52:46,461 because this was a very big risk 1010 00:52:46,461 --> 00:52:49,021 for both the paper and its editor. 1011 00:52:49,021 --> 00:52:51,141 HAROLD EVANS: I asked him to draft 1012 00:52:51,141 --> 00:52:52,541 an editorial. 1013 00:52:52,541 --> 00:52:54,181 Well, he's a top lawyer, 1014 00:52:54,181 --> 00:52:56,781 and he drafted an editorial which I made very little... 1015 00:52:56,781 --> 00:52:58,341 few changes. 1016 00:52:58,341 --> 00:53:01,221 And I wrote the headline "Children on our conscience" 1017 00:53:01,221 --> 00:53:04,460 and launched the moral campaign. 1018 00:53:04,460 --> 00:53:06,740 ♪ ♪ 1019 00:53:17,780 --> 00:53:20,540 (speaking indistinctly) 1020 00:53:20,540 --> 00:53:22,260 And probably the most striking thing 1021 00:53:22,260 --> 00:53:24,460 is to get the actual inventor of thalidomide... 1022 00:53:29,940 --> 00:53:32,740 NARRATOR: As the Insight team compiled the first article, 1023 00:53:32,740 --> 00:53:35,900 Harry prepared to contact the great and the powerful 1024 00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:39,260 in order to enlist support for the campaign. 1025 00:53:39,260 --> 00:53:42,380 He broke the news to Joan. 1026 00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:44,780 So he said, "Joan, we're gonna have to write to 1027 00:53:44,780 --> 00:53:48,660 every single MP a separate letter." 1028 00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:51,860 He didn't want photocopies being sent to all the MPs, 1029 00:53:51,860 --> 00:53:56,660 so I just set about typing 620 1030 00:53:56,660 --> 00:53:58,700 or 630 letters. 1031 00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:00,180 He-he hammered the point, really, 1032 00:54:00,180 --> 00:54:03,740 that it was such an injustice to the children. 1033 00:54:10,219 --> 00:54:11,619 EVANS: The phone rang. 1034 00:54:11,619 --> 00:54:14,659 It was the advertising director. 1035 00:54:14,659 --> 00:54:16,539 "I believe you're gonna go ahead 1036 00:54:16,539 --> 00:54:19,499 "with, uh, this strong attack on Distillers. 1037 00:54:19,499 --> 00:54:23,619 "I want you to know that they spend 60,000 pounds 1038 00:54:23,619 --> 00:54:27,179 with advertising with The Sunday Times." 1039 00:54:27,179 --> 00:54:29,859 He-he broke new ground in terms of focusing 1040 00:54:29,859 --> 00:54:33,779 on the very corporations whose advertisements funded 1041 00:54:33,779 --> 00:54:36,179 the newspaper's profit. 1042 00:54:36,179 --> 00:54:38,579 He said, "It won't stop you, I know. 1043 00:54:38,579 --> 00:54:40,379 And it shouldn't." 1044 00:54:40,379 --> 00:54:42,499 (machine whirring) 1045 00:54:46,899 --> 00:54:51,019 I brought David Mason into the office to see the presses 1046 00:54:51,019 --> 00:54:53,979 going round with the story, 1047 00:54:53,979 --> 00:54:57,299 which he couldn't believe would ever happen. 1048 00:54:58,059 --> 00:54:59,819 MASON: And he said, 1049 00:54:59,819 --> 00:55:02,019 "I want to show you the power of the press." 1050 00:55:02,019 --> 00:55:05,739 And we went downstairs, and, uh, 1051 00:55:05,739 --> 00:55:08,218 there was silence in the room. 1052 00:55:10,058 --> 00:55:12,658 And he said, "See that button? 1053 00:55:12,658 --> 00:55:14,858 Push it." 1054 00:55:16,578 --> 00:55:20,578 And all these papers just poured off. 1055 00:55:31,898 --> 00:55:34,578 He gave me one of the first copies, 1056 00:55:34,578 --> 00:55:36,378 which I still have. 1057 00:55:36,378 --> 00:55:38,418 (whirring) 1058 00:55:41,218 --> 00:55:43,498 ♪ ♪ 1059 00:55:53,978 --> 00:55:55,618 His, uh, 1060 00:55:55,618 --> 00:55:58,458 generosity, his kindness, his compassion, 1061 00:55:58,458 --> 00:56:01,378 his-his brilliance as a journalist, 1062 00:56:01,378 --> 00:56:03,618 his... the way he was able 1063 00:56:03,618 --> 00:56:07,498 to get a cohesive team about him, 1064 00:56:07,498 --> 00:56:09,937 the way he was able to motivate people. 1065 00:56:11,777 --> 00:56:15,817 That was the best thing that happened to the campaign, 1066 00:56:15,817 --> 00:56:17,657 Harry Evans coming on board. 1067 00:56:24,857 --> 00:56:27,297 EVANS: No sooner had we published 1068 00:56:27,297 --> 00:56:28,777 than a deafening silence 1069 00:56:28,777 --> 00:56:31,537 came over every other newspaper. 1070 00:56:31,537 --> 00:56:33,737 I can remember being at the BBC, 1071 00:56:33,737 --> 00:56:35,977 the only place which would even interview us, 1072 00:56:35,977 --> 00:56:37,697 a lawyer at my shoulder. 1073 00:56:37,697 --> 00:56:40,577 I mean, th-these children exist in the real world, 1074 00:56:40,577 --> 00:56:45,057 and we mustn't, uh, be put off 1075 00:56:45,057 --> 00:56:48,017 telling the public about the plight of the children. 1076 00:56:48,017 --> 00:56:51,897 The only person we heard from was the attorney general. 1077 00:56:51,897 --> 00:56:55,057 "What the hell are you playing at, publishing this stuff? 1078 00:56:55,057 --> 00:56:56,617 It's contempt of court." 1079 00:56:56,617 --> 00:56:58,817 NARRATOR: What prompted the threat was a line 1080 00:56:58,817 --> 00:57:00,737 at the bottom of the first story, 1081 00:57:00,737 --> 00:57:04,417 which promised future articles on the origins of the tragedy-- 1082 00:57:04,417 --> 00:57:08,257 by implication, an exposé of Distillers' negligence. 1083 00:57:08,257 --> 00:57:10,937 EVANS: It wasn't the thought of avoiding jail 1084 00:57:10,937 --> 00:57:13,176 which was uppermost; any fool can go to prison, 1085 00:57:13,176 --> 00:57:15,096 and I certainly would've been prepared to do it. 1086 00:57:15,096 --> 00:57:17,136 But if we had published a single article 1087 00:57:17,136 --> 00:57:19,216 and gone to prison, end of campaign. 1088 00:57:19,216 --> 00:57:22,256 No-no further money for the children or anything, 1089 00:57:22,256 --> 00:57:24,016 no further public discussion. 1090 00:57:24,016 --> 00:57:26,856 So we tried to avoid that throughout, all the time. 1091 00:57:26,856 --> 00:57:29,216 We wanted to sustain the campaign. 1092 00:57:29,216 --> 00:57:33,536 Thalidomide was a campaign from the outset. 1093 00:57:33,536 --> 00:57:36,816 He never envisaged just doing one piece. 1094 00:57:36,816 --> 00:57:40,576 In fact, what we all learnt-learnt from Harry 1095 00:57:40,576 --> 00:57:44,256 is that a single investigation did not deliver. 1096 00:57:44,256 --> 00:57:46,616 I think it might not be a bad idea also 1097 00:57:46,616 --> 00:57:49,056 to write... I'll write to Distillers today... 1098 00:57:49,056 --> 00:57:52,016 POTTER: It-it was three-pronged. 1099 00:57:52,016 --> 00:57:54,376 Th-There was the whole... the legal story, 1100 00:57:54,376 --> 00:57:58,736 uh, the investigation into-into the drug, 1101 00:57:58,736 --> 00:58:00,176 and, of course, the families 1102 00:58:00,176 --> 00:58:02,856 who were at the heart of-of everything. 1103 00:58:02,856 --> 00:58:04,776 We were so overstretched 1104 00:58:04,776 --> 00:58:07,656 that we decided we'd get somebody in 1105 00:58:07,656 --> 00:58:09,416 just to pursue the families, 1106 00:58:09,416 --> 00:58:11,496 and that's when Marjorie came in. 1107 00:58:11,496 --> 00:58:15,695 Well, my role was to go round the country 1108 00:58:15,695 --> 00:58:20,615 and stay with and interview and experience what it was like 1109 00:58:20,615 --> 00:58:23,855 to have a thalidomide child at that time. 1110 00:58:26,695 --> 00:58:29,335 I would go along and I would 1111 00:58:29,335 --> 00:58:32,175 actually lie on the floors of some of their houses 1112 00:58:32,175 --> 00:58:33,855 and know what it was like to have to wake up 1113 00:58:33,855 --> 00:58:35,575 every moment in the night and turn 1114 00:58:35,575 --> 00:58:38,975 a thalidomide child over who couldn't turn themselves. 1115 00:58:42,215 --> 00:58:46,815 By living their lives with them, living and experiencing 1116 00:58:46,815 --> 00:58:50,215 what they experienced, I felt I understood 1117 00:58:50,215 --> 00:58:55,735 what it was like to have a child with these deformities. 1118 00:58:57,375 --> 00:58:59,415 When I started finding 1119 00:58:59,415 --> 00:59:02,135 the thalidomide children and their families, 1120 00:59:02,135 --> 00:59:03,975 some of them were very hard to track down. 1121 00:59:03,975 --> 00:59:05,735 And some of them certainly didn't want 1122 00:59:05,735 --> 00:59:06,975 to be interviewed. 1123 00:59:06,975 --> 00:59:09,175 It was a very difficult task. 1124 00:59:09,175 --> 00:59:12,655 And what I did find was stories that... 1125 00:59:12,655 --> 00:59:14,575 very bleak circumstances. 1126 00:59:14,575 --> 00:59:18,134 They were receiving very little help, very little recognition, 1127 00:59:18,134 --> 00:59:21,614 and they were being shunned by society. 1128 00:59:21,614 --> 00:59:22,854 Everyone was afraid. 1129 00:59:22,854 --> 00:59:25,414 They were afraid of these deformities 1130 00:59:25,414 --> 00:59:27,014 of the children. 1131 00:59:27,014 --> 00:59:28,174 And not only was it 1132 00:59:28,174 --> 00:59:29,654 just the arms and legs. 1133 00:59:29,654 --> 00:59:32,814 Some of the children had... were like a jigsaw, 1134 00:59:32,814 --> 00:59:36,214 a jumbled jigsaw of the displaced organs. 1135 00:59:39,574 --> 00:59:42,094 I would know what it was like just taking a child 1136 00:59:42,094 --> 00:59:44,014 into a café, say. 1137 00:59:44,014 --> 00:59:46,934 And within minutes, within seconds, 1138 00:59:46,934 --> 00:59:50,254 you look round, and the queue had evaporated. 1139 00:59:50,254 --> 00:59:51,774 Or I would go along with them, 1140 00:59:51,774 --> 00:59:53,334 say to a crowded beach, 1141 00:59:53,334 --> 00:59:56,814 and, within minutes, it was a deserted beach. 1142 01:00:01,534 --> 01:00:04,454 Marriages broke up. 1143 01:00:04,454 --> 01:00:06,614 Husbands walked out. 1144 01:00:06,614 --> 01:00:10,134 "That creature's got nothing to do with me." 1145 01:00:11,454 --> 01:00:14,854 GALVIN: One day... (whispering): my husband... 1146 01:00:14,854 --> 01:00:16,654 I can't say it in front of... My husband. 1147 01:00:16,654 --> 01:00:18,373 -Can you hear me? -INTERVIEWER: Yes. 1148 01:00:18,373 --> 01:00:20,333 Said to me, "We've got to talk." 1149 01:00:20,333 --> 01:00:22,653 And I said, "Yeah, talk." 1150 01:00:22,653 --> 01:00:24,533 I couldn't believe it. He said... 1151 01:00:24,533 --> 01:00:26,333 he said, "You have a choice." 1152 01:00:26,333 --> 01:00:29,053 I said, "What?" I said, "No." 1153 01:00:29,053 --> 01:00:32,013 I said, "That's a choice I will never make." 1154 01:00:32,013 --> 01:00:34,333 So I said... He said, "Otherwise, I'll..." 1155 01:00:34,333 --> 01:00:36,373 I said, "Well, that you'll have to do. 1156 01:00:36,373 --> 01:00:38,853 I'm not gonna give up on this one." 1157 01:00:38,853 --> 01:00:40,133 And that's what he did. 1158 01:00:40,133 --> 01:00:42,613 And I was left with a big mortgage. 1159 01:00:42,613 --> 01:00:45,533 I was left with children, small. 1160 01:00:45,533 --> 01:00:48,733 And I didn't want them affected by the epilepsy. 1161 01:00:48,733 --> 01:00:52,053 And I knew I had to think and think very hard. 1162 01:00:52,053 --> 01:00:54,813 And I got the night duty, 12-hour shift every night. 1163 01:00:54,813 --> 01:00:57,773 And I did that for 16 years without ever going to bed, 1164 01:00:57,773 --> 01:01:00,093 and, for some reason, I was never tired. 1165 01:01:00,093 --> 01:01:02,053 Somebody's looking after me. 1166 01:01:05,653 --> 01:01:09,133 WALLACE: What happened with The Sunday Times, 1167 01:01:09,133 --> 01:01:12,413 Harry Evans, he would put these photographs 1168 01:01:12,413 --> 01:01:14,173 on the pages of the newspaper 1169 01:01:14,173 --> 01:01:17,813 that everyone else would say was unacceptable. 1170 01:01:17,813 --> 01:01:19,772 But by doing so, 1171 01:01:19,772 --> 01:01:23,532 he really liberated many of the families. 1172 01:01:26,652 --> 01:01:28,572 MYRIAD SINCLAIR: The doctors said 1173 01:01:28,572 --> 01:01:32,532 this had been caused by me eating lamb 1174 01:01:32,532 --> 01:01:36,132 that had been infected from a nuclear fallout. 1175 01:01:36,132 --> 01:01:42,532 We suspected when we saw the first article by Harold Evans. 1176 01:01:42,532 --> 01:01:45,852 We wrote to The Times 1177 01:01:45,852 --> 01:01:48,852 and got information from them. 1178 01:01:48,852 --> 01:01:51,932 And without that, we wouldn't have known. 1179 01:01:51,932 --> 01:01:54,932 NARRATOR: The moral campaign had shone a light 1180 01:01:54,932 --> 01:01:57,412 on the lives of the thalidomide victims. 1181 01:01:57,412 --> 01:02:00,332 But still, the threat of legal action by the attorney general 1182 01:02:00,332 --> 01:02:03,092 hung over The Sunday Times. 1183 01:02:03,092 --> 01:02:07,492 EVANS: The real turning point in the campaign was 1184 01:02:07,492 --> 01:02:09,812 I got a letter 1185 01:02:09,812 --> 01:02:12,332 from the attorney general one day. 1186 01:02:12,332 --> 01:02:16,372 "The attorney general decided not to proceed against you 1187 01:02:16,372 --> 01:02:20,012 "on what you've already published, the moral campaign, 1188 01:02:20,012 --> 01:02:23,731 "but if you go ahead with the rest of what you said, 1189 01:02:23,731 --> 01:02:25,891 take care. We..." 1190 01:02:25,891 --> 01:02:28,691 The implication: we will then sue you. 1191 01:02:28,691 --> 01:02:31,571 NARRATOR: The attorney general's letter to Harry 1192 01:02:31,571 --> 01:02:33,491 allowing the moral campaign 1193 01:02:33,491 --> 01:02:36,971 effectively granted the same right to MPs. 1194 01:02:36,971 --> 01:02:40,091 Jack Ashley and Alf Morris had been supporters 1195 01:02:40,091 --> 01:02:42,531 of the campaign from the very first. 1196 01:02:42,531 --> 01:02:45,331 In parliament, they had been the main driving force 1197 01:02:45,331 --> 01:02:48,851 behind trying to persuade the speaker to grant a debate. 1198 01:02:50,291 --> 01:02:53,131 EVANS: That day-- that very day-- Jack Ashley 1199 01:02:53,131 --> 01:02:56,091 was going to see the speaker in the House of Commons to say, 1200 01:02:56,091 --> 01:02:58,571 "Look, let's have a debate on this. 1201 01:02:58,571 --> 01:03:03,051 These-these children are not getting proper compensation." 1202 01:03:03,051 --> 01:03:05,691 And the next day, the speaker agrees to give up 1203 01:03:05,691 --> 01:03:08,571 parliamentary time for the Labour Party 1204 01:03:08,571 --> 01:03:10,291 for a debate on thalidomide. 1205 01:03:10,291 --> 01:03:12,011 That's the moment. 1206 01:03:16,771 --> 01:03:18,611 Before the debate, 1207 01:03:18,611 --> 01:03:20,091 I was stopped in the corridor 1208 01:03:20,091 --> 01:03:22,450 by the prime minister's personal assistant. 1209 01:03:22,450 --> 01:03:24,010 He said, 1210 01:03:24,010 --> 01:03:27,450 "We'd like you not to go ahead with your campaign, 1211 01:03:27,450 --> 01:03:31,050 "and we've arranged for an extra five million pounds. 1212 01:03:31,050 --> 01:03:32,490 But don't go ahead." 1213 01:03:32,490 --> 01:03:33,970 So I said, "I'm sorry. It's not enough." 1214 01:03:33,970 --> 01:03:35,930 I said, "I want... We need 20 million. 1215 01:03:35,930 --> 01:03:37,570 I'm advised we need 20 million." 1216 01:03:37,570 --> 01:03:40,570 NARRATOR: Jack Ashley opened with words 1217 01:03:40,570 --> 01:03:43,930 that moved members on all sides of the House. 1218 01:03:45,810 --> 01:03:49,170 "We are debating today a great national tragedy. 1219 01:03:49,170 --> 01:03:52,970 "Nonetheless poignant because it happened ten years ago. 1220 01:03:52,970 --> 01:03:55,890 "But what kind of adolescence will a ten-year old boy 1221 01:03:55,890 --> 01:03:58,410 "look forward to when he has no arms, 1222 01:03:58,410 --> 01:04:01,530 "no legs and is only two feet tall? 1223 01:04:01,530 --> 01:04:03,690 "That is the height of two whiskey bottles 1224 01:04:03,690 --> 01:04:07,210 "placed one on top of the other. 1225 01:04:07,210 --> 01:04:10,410 "How can an 11-year old girl look forward to laughing 1226 01:04:10,410 --> 01:04:13,570 "and loving when she has no hand to be held 1227 01:04:13,570 --> 01:04:17,010 and no legs to dance on?" 1228 01:04:17,010 --> 01:04:18,930 EVANS: So, we had the debate, 1229 01:04:18,930 --> 01:04:20,850 and that was absolutely stunning, 1230 01:04:20,850 --> 01:04:23,970 because now the press, having been scared-- 1231 01:04:23,970 --> 01:04:26,249 either scared of contempt 1232 01:04:26,249 --> 01:04:29,289 or competitively jealous, whatever-- 1233 01:04:29,289 --> 01:04:31,969 would now report in the case, we now had a case. 1234 01:04:31,969 --> 01:04:34,329 Also, what was now very important, 1235 01:04:34,329 --> 01:04:36,649 as distinct from when I was editor at The Northern Echo 1236 01:04:36,649 --> 01:04:39,449 and got complaints, I now got thousands of letters 1237 01:04:39,449 --> 01:04:40,889 saying, "Please continue." 1238 01:04:40,889 --> 01:04:44,129 I think there was definitely a-a... 1239 01:04:44,129 --> 01:04:47,409 maybe not a day, but definitely a week 1240 01:04:47,409 --> 01:04:51,969 when the fight changed from nobody knowing about it 1241 01:04:51,969 --> 01:04:54,809 to, you know, the population of England 1242 01:04:54,809 --> 01:04:57,649 realizing that something was happening. 1243 01:05:01,649 --> 01:05:04,969 NARRATOR: Once free to report, 1244 01:05:04,969 --> 01:05:06,489 much of the press joined 1245 01:05:06,489 --> 01:05:08,129 with The Sunday Times in condemning 1246 01:05:08,129 --> 01:05:10,649 how the children had been treated. 1247 01:05:10,649 --> 01:05:12,529 Now informed at what had been going on, 1248 01:05:12,529 --> 01:05:15,529 the public were shocked and disgusted. 1249 01:05:15,529 --> 01:05:19,409 The floodgates opened, and Distillers reeled. 1250 01:05:23,169 --> 01:05:25,489 Distillers were on the back foot, 1251 01:05:25,489 --> 01:05:27,768 trying to limit the damage and the amount of compensation 1252 01:05:27,768 --> 01:05:30,008 they would have to pay. 1253 01:05:30,008 --> 01:05:32,528 They responded by apparently raising their offer 1254 01:05:32,528 --> 01:05:35,608 from anywhere between five and 11 million pounds, 1255 01:05:35,608 --> 01:05:37,888 but these were exposed as little more than 1256 01:05:37,888 --> 01:05:40,248 accountancy tricks designed for them 1257 01:05:40,248 --> 01:05:42,488 to pay as little as possible. 1258 01:05:42,488 --> 01:05:46,288 Within a very short time, the plight of the children 1259 01:05:46,288 --> 01:05:48,728 became a national talking point. 1260 01:05:48,728 --> 01:05:51,928 People wanted to help in any way they could. 1261 01:05:53,568 --> 01:05:56,888 A small group of people decided to appeal 1262 01:05:56,888 --> 01:06:00,048 to the individual shareholders directly. 1263 01:06:00,048 --> 01:06:03,288 When they approached Distillers to buy a list of the names, 1264 01:06:03,288 --> 01:06:05,848 the company, who were legally bound to comply, 1265 01:06:05,848 --> 01:06:08,808 said the volumes would cost 2,000 pounds-- 1266 01:06:08,808 --> 01:06:11,928 a figure well beyond their reach. 1267 01:06:11,928 --> 01:06:14,568 They turned to Harry for help. 1268 01:06:14,568 --> 01:06:16,848 So they came to our... my office, 1269 01:06:16,848 --> 01:06:18,848 uh, with Knightley's encouragement, 1270 01:06:18,848 --> 01:06:22,608 and we bought the shareholders, uh, 1271 01:06:22,608 --> 01:06:24,688 paid Sunday Times money buying the lists of names 1272 01:06:24,688 --> 01:06:26,528 of the shareholders so we could write to them. 1273 01:06:26,528 --> 01:06:29,167 MASON: It was like a general election. 1274 01:06:29,167 --> 01:06:32,687 I mean, the phone would go, and, uh, people would say, uh, 1275 01:06:32,687 --> 01:06:34,407 "We represent Ealing Council. 1276 01:06:34,407 --> 01:06:36,767 We have so many shares, and we support Mason." 1277 01:06:36,767 --> 01:06:38,207 And, uh, so it went on. 1278 01:06:38,207 --> 01:06:40,047 So I thought, "Well, this is great." 1279 01:06:40,047 --> 01:06:43,527 Another person who made a huge difference was Ron Peet, 1280 01:06:43,527 --> 01:06:46,487 who headed the Legal & General company. 1281 01:06:46,487 --> 01:06:49,327 I was speaking as an institutional investor. 1282 01:06:49,327 --> 01:06:53,207 And I thought that it would be in the shareholders' interest 1283 01:06:53,207 --> 01:06:57,287 if Distillers were to make some sort of reasonable offer. 1284 01:06:57,287 --> 01:07:00,767 And he-- amazing-- he got up 1285 01:07:00,767 --> 01:07:03,607 and-and made a speech in the city, as I recall... 1286 01:07:03,607 --> 01:07:07,567 Their products had clearly done a vast amount of harm, 1287 01:07:07,567 --> 01:07:10,647 and they were not admitting any moral liability, 1288 01:07:10,647 --> 01:07:12,447 which I thought there was. 1289 01:07:12,447 --> 01:07:15,767 It is now evident and has been made clear 1290 01:07:15,767 --> 01:07:18,367 that we have the necessary ten percent 1291 01:07:18,367 --> 01:07:22,247 of the voting power needed to serve upon Distillers 1292 01:07:22,247 --> 01:07:25,647 notice for them to call an extraordinary general meeting. 1293 01:07:25,647 --> 01:07:27,887 And indeed, the share price for Distillers 1294 01:07:27,887 --> 01:07:30,126 started to tumble and fall. 1295 01:07:30,126 --> 01:07:33,006 Because by now, we've had the huge debate in Parliament, 1296 01:07:33,006 --> 01:07:36,006 we've got the continuing campaign in The Sunday Times 1297 01:07:36,006 --> 01:07:39,806 with photographs and Marjorie Wallace's stories and stuff. 1298 01:07:39,806 --> 01:07:43,846 And we got, as our high explosive pack, 1299 01:07:43,846 --> 01:07:47,166 that Bruce Page and Elaine Potter documentation 1300 01:07:47,166 --> 01:07:48,646 of the fact that it... 1301 01:07:48,646 --> 01:07:50,726 there really was negligence here. 1302 01:07:52,526 --> 01:07:54,926 NARRATOR: As press and the public's anger built, 1303 01:07:54,926 --> 01:07:57,606 so did the pressure on Distillers. 1304 01:07:57,606 --> 01:07:58,846 Individuals and retailers 1305 01:07:58,846 --> 01:08:01,366 started to boycott their products. 1306 01:08:01,366 --> 01:08:04,566 Many companies, big and small, offered whatever they could 1307 01:08:04,566 --> 01:08:06,526 to aid The Sunday Times campaign. 1308 01:08:06,526 --> 01:08:08,246 DAVID GREIG: I personally have been very concerned 1309 01:08:08,246 --> 01:08:09,646 about this for a long time. 1310 01:08:09,646 --> 01:08:12,486 And with all this, uh, as I call it, 1311 01:08:12,486 --> 01:08:14,086 lack of understanding for the feelings 1312 01:08:14,086 --> 01:08:15,246 of the people involved, 1313 01:08:15,246 --> 01:08:17,086 then somebody has got to take a step. 1314 01:08:17,086 --> 01:08:21,566 PEET: Customers were turning against Distillers' products. 1315 01:08:21,566 --> 01:08:23,326 And there were these stories going around 1316 01:08:23,326 --> 01:08:27,326 about people going into the duty-free shop at Heathrow 1317 01:08:27,326 --> 01:08:30,246 to buy whiskey, and when asked what they wanted, 1318 01:08:30,246 --> 01:08:33,485 they said they didn't mind as long as it wasn't Distillers. 1319 01:08:33,485 --> 01:08:36,565 And that didn't seem to me to be very good for shareholders. 1320 01:08:36,565 --> 01:08:40,165 NARRATOR: Harry's moral campaign had grown to such an extent 1321 01:08:40,165 --> 01:08:41,845 that it caught the eye of American 1322 01:08:41,845 --> 01:08:44,165 consumer rights champion Ralph Nader, 1323 01:08:44,165 --> 01:08:45,765 who offered his support. 1324 01:08:45,765 --> 01:08:49,405 Mr. Nader. How are you? Nice of you to phone. 1325 01:08:49,405 --> 01:08:50,845 NADER: David Mason asked me 1326 01:08:50,845 --> 01:08:53,365 if I could help him with the consumer groups 1327 01:08:53,365 --> 01:08:56,205 in the United States to put pressure on Distillers, 1328 01:08:56,205 --> 01:08:59,285 uh, to up their paltry compensation. 1329 01:08:59,285 --> 01:09:02,605 So I decided to go over to America. 1330 01:09:02,605 --> 01:09:05,645 I got Ralph Nader to agree to see me. 1331 01:09:05,645 --> 01:09:07,405 MALE REPORTER: David Mason will be meeting 1332 01:09:07,405 --> 01:09:10,485 Ralph Nader later tonight, and they're expected 1333 01:09:10,485 --> 01:09:12,165 to hold a joint press conference later 1334 01:09:12,165 --> 01:09:15,165 to announce what action they plan to take. 1335 01:09:15,165 --> 01:09:19,205 MASON: And I got on this Pan Am flight, and I'm sitting there, 1336 01:09:19,205 --> 01:09:21,445 and then there was this announcement. 1337 01:09:21,445 --> 01:09:23,205 They said, "Well, um, ladies and gentlemen, now we're going to... 1338 01:09:23,205 --> 01:09:24,765 "the drinks trolley will be going round, 1339 01:09:24,765 --> 01:09:26,565 "and we can offer you Johnnie Walker's Whisky 1340 01:09:26,565 --> 01:09:28,205 and Gordon's Gin and this and that." 1341 01:09:28,205 --> 01:09:29,925 I thought, "What?" So I got... 1342 01:09:29,925 --> 01:09:32,045 I thought, "I'm not standing for this." 1343 01:09:32,045 --> 01:09:35,244 So I followed the drinks trolley round the cabin. 1344 01:09:35,244 --> 01:09:37,684 So when somebody said, "I'd like a-a Gordon's Gin", 1345 01:09:37,684 --> 01:09:39,364 I'd say, "Well, I'm David Mason. This is..." 1346 01:09:39,364 --> 01:09:41,204 And I had the newspaper things and they'd say, 1347 01:09:41,204 --> 01:09:42,884 "Well, I'll have another drink." 1348 01:09:42,884 --> 01:09:45,284 I followed the drinks trolley all the way round the plane, 1349 01:09:45,284 --> 01:09:49,244 and not one person bought a Distillers product. 1350 01:09:49,244 --> 01:09:51,364 Now, the importance of that was very... 1351 01:09:51,364 --> 01:09:52,884 It was absolutely huge. 1352 01:09:52,884 --> 01:09:56,844 All you had to do was, uh, develop enough antipathy-- 1353 01:09:56,844 --> 01:09:59,364 maybe five percent of sales reduction-- 1354 01:09:59,364 --> 01:10:02,524 and these companies would pay attention, because y-you're 1355 01:10:02,524 --> 01:10:04,484 dealing with hundreds of millions of dollars. 1356 01:10:04,484 --> 01:10:06,724 And once a stigma is attached 1357 01:10:06,724 --> 01:10:09,044 to a brand name and that brand name 1358 01:10:09,044 --> 01:10:13,364 involves alcoholic beverages which are easily abandoned, 1359 01:10:13,364 --> 01:10:17,884 uh, in favor of similar alcoholic beverages, 1360 01:10:17,884 --> 01:10:20,884 uh, the message was quite clear to Distillers. 1361 01:10:20,884 --> 01:10:24,404 MASON: And, uh, there were all loads of press. 1362 01:10:24,404 --> 01:10:27,284 CBS, NBC, you name it, they were all out there. 1363 01:10:27,284 --> 01:10:29,444 Uh, Harold Evans had done a great job 1364 01:10:29,444 --> 01:10:33,604 of laying it on with the press over in America. 1365 01:10:33,604 --> 01:10:36,003 What they're really after in the complicated, 1366 01:10:36,003 --> 01:10:39,923 uh, accounting, uh, processes of-of these companies 1367 01:10:39,923 --> 01:10:43,603 is-is to... is to pay out just enough 1368 01:10:43,603 --> 01:10:48,083 to avoid having any net cost to the company. 1369 01:10:48,083 --> 01:10:51,563 Uh, now, the significance of the boycott 1370 01:10:51,563 --> 01:10:54,843 is that it talks the language of Mr. MacDonald, 1371 01:10:54,843 --> 01:10:57,923 who understands, as they say, pounds and pence. 1372 01:10:57,923 --> 01:11:00,923 And one chap stood up and he said, 1373 01:11:00,923 --> 01:11:04,643 "Mr. Nader", he said, "the realities 1374 01:11:04,643 --> 01:11:06,723 of bringing about a boycott", he said, 1375 01:11:06,723 --> 01:11:08,923 "are very far-reaching and huge, 1376 01:11:08,923 --> 01:11:12,203 and just to set it up would take forever." 1377 01:11:12,203 --> 01:11:14,083 And I said, "I think I can answer that, 1378 01:11:14,083 --> 01:11:17,683 "because I was flying over here on a Pan Am flight 1379 01:11:17,683 --> 01:11:19,643 and the following thing happened." 1380 01:11:19,643 --> 01:11:22,243 And I started to recount what had happened 1381 01:11:22,243 --> 01:11:25,483 on this Pan Am flight and how everybody boycotted the prod... 1382 01:11:25,483 --> 01:11:27,843 Well, th-they just loved it. 1383 01:11:27,843 --> 01:11:29,923 And Ralph was looking at me, absolut... 1384 01:11:29,923 --> 01:11:33,323 'Cause I hadn't told him about it, and everybody wa... 1385 01:11:33,323 --> 01:11:35,523 everybody was laughing, and-and he said, 1386 01:11:35,523 --> 01:11:38,122 "Well, there we are. Mr. Mason's just carried it forward 1387 01:11:38,122 --> 01:11:40,882 and shown you how it can be done." 1388 01:11:40,882 --> 01:11:42,962 And David was extremely articulate. 1389 01:11:42,962 --> 01:11:45,522 Uh, one should never underestimate the role 1390 01:11:45,522 --> 01:11:47,322 of-of a handful of the parents 1391 01:11:47,322 --> 01:11:50,722 who broke through their grief and became, 1392 01:11:50,722 --> 01:11:55,682 uh, eloquent advocates for their cause. 1393 01:11:57,882 --> 01:12:00,162 NARRATOR: The Sunday Times moral campaign 1394 01:12:00,162 --> 01:12:03,282 wasn't just going to fade away. 1395 01:12:03,282 --> 01:12:05,042 In nine days, Distillers shares 1396 01:12:05,042 --> 01:12:08,842 lost 35 million pounds in value. 1397 01:12:08,842 --> 01:12:11,842 This was arithmetic Edinburgh understood. 1398 01:12:11,842 --> 01:12:16,162 EVANS: We began the campaign in September 1972. 1399 01:12:16,162 --> 01:12:20,522 Three, four months later, Distillers caved in. 1400 01:12:22,762 --> 01:12:25,642 And they offered the 20 million. 1401 01:12:25,642 --> 01:12:28,722 Uh, the... 1402 01:12:28,722 --> 01:12:32,762 We were told that the treasury had to tax it. 1403 01:12:32,762 --> 01:12:35,242 So I wrote an editorial the same day, 1404 01:12:35,242 --> 01:12:37,642 saying this would be unthinkable. 1405 01:12:37,642 --> 01:12:42,281 And Harold Wilson, the next day, gave an extra five million 1406 01:12:42,281 --> 01:12:45,161 so that no tax had to be paid. 1407 01:12:49,761 --> 01:12:51,921 Here, David. 1408 01:12:59,521 --> 01:13:01,681 LOUISE MEDUS-MANSELL: I remember being in the paper, 1409 01:13:01,681 --> 01:13:03,401 on the press. 1410 01:13:03,401 --> 01:13:05,441 I remember, um, 1411 01:13:05,441 --> 01:13:09,281 the strain on-on the family. 1412 01:13:10,521 --> 01:13:13,201 And I also remember meeting Harry at my house. 1413 01:13:13,201 --> 01:13:15,161 I didn't know who he was; I thought he was 1414 01:13:15,161 --> 01:13:17,001 a rather strange man to start off with. 1415 01:13:17,001 --> 01:13:21,521 And the fact that he and my dad and the rest of the campaign, 1416 01:13:21,521 --> 01:13:23,681 you know, the rest of the campaign team 1417 01:13:23,681 --> 01:13:27,001 finally did get the compensation-- 1418 01:13:27,001 --> 01:13:29,721 that was so important to us. 1419 01:13:29,721 --> 01:13:33,801 You know, I remember saying that at... 1420 01:13:33,801 --> 01:13:36,161 (clears throat) 1421 01:13:36,161 --> 01:13:40,241 ...that at the end of the day, there were no medals to be won, 1422 01:13:40,241 --> 01:13:44,520 because the victims still had no arms and no legs. 1423 01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,280 (film projector rattling) 1424 01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:52,960 MIKEY ARGY: We received the compensation, 1425 01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,120 and the trust fund was set up 1426 01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,280 around the same time, because they were aware-- 1427 01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,120 Harold Evans was very aware-- 1428 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,360 that we would need that money for the rest of our lives. 1429 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,240 NARRATOR: But the settlement was not universally acclaimed 1430 01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,600 by other commentators who didn't know the full facts. 1431 01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,120 EVANS: Peregrine Worsthorne and all those were saying, 1432 01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,120 "Harold Evans is like a Robin Hood. 1433 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,560 He's just, you know, a bandit holding people up." 1434 01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,560 AJP Taylor, the famous historian, said, 1435 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,000 "This is outrageous, what The Sunday Times was doing." 1436 01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,840 So, it's very, very important, therefore, to conti... 1437 01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,200 for two reasons: one, to show what had happened, 1438 01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,120 and two, to learn. 1439 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,960 If we don't learn from this drug disaster, 1440 01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,920 which we should have learned in 1962, we should ha... 1441 01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,639 1963, we should have learned, 1964. 1442 01:14:45,639 --> 01:14:48,759 And we're now in 1973, and we still haven't learned 1443 01:14:48,759 --> 01:14:50,479 what the cause of the disaster. 1444 01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,919 They're really incredible. 1445 01:14:56,359 --> 01:15:00,079 This is... this is the, uh, chemical breakup of it... 1446 01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:02,799 NARRATOR: Although they had won the moral victory 1447 01:15:02,799 --> 01:15:04,719 and proper compensation, 1448 01:15:04,719 --> 01:15:07,679 the true story about the drug had yet to be told. 1449 01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:09,599 The Insight team carried on 1450 01:15:09,599 --> 01:15:11,239 with their forensic investigation 1451 01:15:11,239 --> 01:15:13,999 into the hidden causes of the disaster, 1452 01:15:13,999 --> 01:15:17,079 and started to compose the most explosive piece of all: 1453 01:15:17,079 --> 01:15:20,639 "Thalidomide: The Story They Suppressed." 1454 01:15:20,639 --> 01:15:22,839 POTTER: After the... 1455 01:15:22,839 --> 01:15:25,399 the September the 24th article appeared, 1456 01:15:25,399 --> 01:15:28,199 it was only after that, uh, 1457 01:15:28,199 --> 01:15:32,559 that we... we really began the investigation. 1458 01:15:32,559 --> 01:15:34,839 NARRATOR: The first question to ask was: 1459 01:15:34,839 --> 01:15:37,359 Why did Distillers want to license the drug? 1460 01:15:37,359 --> 01:15:39,639 They had little history of pharmaceuticals. 1461 01:15:39,639 --> 01:15:41,559 POTTER: The thing about Distillers 1462 01:15:41,559 --> 01:15:45,118 was that they were new to drugs. 1463 01:15:45,118 --> 01:15:48,438 Thalidomide was practically the first drug they'd ever handled. 1464 01:15:51,158 --> 01:15:53,238 And they'd read an article, which I think actually appeared 1465 01:15:53,238 --> 01:15:57,638 in The Sunday Times, uh, written by Aldous Huxley, 1466 01:15:57,638 --> 01:16:00,118 a sort of Brave New World account 1467 01:16:00,118 --> 01:16:01,798 of what was going to happen, 1468 01:16:01,798 --> 01:16:04,038 a sort of futurologist sort of piece, 1469 01:16:04,038 --> 01:16:06,958 saying that drugs were gonna replace alcohol. 1470 01:16:06,958 --> 01:16:10,278 And they-they sort of had a bit of a panic, and they thought, 1471 01:16:10,278 --> 01:16:12,678 "Well, we better do something about this." 1472 01:16:12,678 --> 01:16:16,718 And that is... that is why they got into drugs. 1473 01:16:16,718 --> 01:16:18,598 (machine clacking steadily) 1474 01:16:18,598 --> 01:16:20,718 NARRATOR: The investigation looked 1475 01:16:20,718 --> 01:16:22,478 to challenge the Distillers claim 1476 01:16:22,478 --> 01:16:24,798 about the tests carried out in that era. 1477 01:16:26,198 --> 01:16:29,078 POTTER: We looked to see which drug companies did what 1478 01:16:29,078 --> 01:16:32,198 and what they knew about drugs in the '50s. 1479 01:16:33,278 --> 01:16:36,238 I then went to America. 1480 01:16:36,238 --> 01:16:38,678 And I went round all the major drug companies, 1481 01:16:38,678 --> 01:16:40,878 finding out what they knew 1482 01:16:40,878 --> 01:16:43,918 before marketing new drugs. 1483 01:16:43,918 --> 01:16:47,277 And what we very quickly learned and confirmed 1484 01:16:47,277 --> 01:16:49,237 was that the serious companies, 1485 01:16:49,237 --> 01:16:52,237 the companies which had been in the business for a long time, 1486 01:16:52,237 --> 01:16:55,557 did reproductive studies actually looking 1487 01:16:55,557 --> 01:16:57,757 to see whether they produced 1488 01:16:57,757 --> 01:16:59,077 damage to the fetus. 1489 01:16:59,077 --> 01:17:01,837 Lederle, Hoffman-LaRoche, 1490 01:17:01,837 --> 01:17:03,357 Smith-Kline & French-- 1491 01:17:03,357 --> 01:17:05,917 they all did reproductive studies. 1492 01:17:05,917 --> 01:17:07,597 And ICI here. 1493 01:17:07,597 --> 01:17:09,357 ICI actually went to 1494 01:17:09,357 --> 01:17:15,197 the level of using primates, uh, which was very serious indeed. 1495 01:17:21,277 --> 01:17:24,517 NARRATOR: In 1957, Distillers had sent the drug 1496 01:17:24,517 --> 01:17:27,597 for independent testing. 1497 01:17:27,597 --> 01:17:30,237 The results warned that it could cause damage 1498 01:17:30,237 --> 01:17:34,717 to the thyroid gland, a known cause of birth defects, 1499 01:17:34,717 --> 01:17:37,117 but they still went ahead. 1500 01:17:40,277 --> 01:17:42,917 Bruce Page went to extraordinary lengths 1501 01:17:42,917 --> 01:17:44,797 to understand the complex details 1502 01:17:44,797 --> 01:17:46,997 of how the drug actually worked. 1503 01:17:46,997 --> 01:17:49,236 PAGE: One of the things you've got to 1504 01:17:49,236 --> 01:17:53,836 understand about... about the testing of drugs 1505 01:17:53,836 --> 01:17:56,556 is, even now, with the best possible technology, 1506 01:17:56,556 --> 01:17:59,156 it isn't foolproof. 1507 01:17:59,156 --> 01:18:02,196 But you can say 1508 01:18:02,196 --> 01:18:06,636 that nature... usually provides warning signs 1509 01:18:06,636 --> 01:18:09,516 around desperate chemicals. 1510 01:18:09,516 --> 01:18:13,876 And almost any time you look at thalidomide, 1511 01:18:13,876 --> 01:18:15,756 it shows up bad. 1512 01:18:15,756 --> 01:18:19,396 It's a very complex little molecule. 1513 01:18:19,396 --> 01:18:21,036 Exists in strange forms, 1514 01:18:21,036 --> 01:18:23,916 and its actions are very unpredictable. 1515 01:18:23,916 --> 01:18:29,316 Thalidomide is asymmetric, and that's in the words 1516 01:18:29,316 --> 01:18:32,796 of Dr. Robert Smith, I recall, at St. Mary's Hospital. 1517 01:18:32,796 --> 01:18:34,396 He said, "Just look at that. 1518 01:18:34,396 --> 01:18:35,956 "That's a nasty molecule. 1519 01:18:35,956 --> 01:18:37,796 There's something wrong with it." 1520 01:18:39,236 --> 01:18:42,116 Grunenthal were really, really bad at drug testing, 1521 01:18:42,116 --> 01:18:45,356 and Distillers knew nothing about it at all. 1522 01:18:45,356 --> 01:18:47,596 The intersection of 1523 01:18:47,596 --> 01:18:51,115 this bunch of soap makers, which is what they had been, 1524 01:18:51,115 --> 01:18:53,795 with the bunch of whiskey makers in Britain, 1525 01:18:53,795 --> 01:18:56,875 was a horrible one-off disaster. 1526 01:18:59,195 --> 01:19:03,035 EVANS: The Minister of Health at the time, Mr. Enoch Powell, 1527 01:19:03,035 --> 01:19:05,715 instead of rushing to the defense of the parents, 1528 01:19:05,715 --> 01:19:07,795 doesn't have a public enquiry and is 1529 01:19:07,795 --> 01:19:11,115 briefed, or receives a briefing, 1530 01:19:11,115 --> 01:19:13,515 which is basically the Distillers case, and accepts it. 1531 01:19:13,515 --> 01:19:17,155 Yes, the civil servant who briefs Powell is himself briefed 1532 01:19:17,155 --> 01:19:19,675 by a senior man at Distillers. 1533 01:19:21,235 --> 01:19:24,195 NARRATOR: Finally, the investigation was complete. 1534 01:19:24,195 --> 01:19:26,435 The results damning. 1535 01:19:26,435 --> 01:19:29,595 But still, The Sunday Times was prevented from publishing it 1536 01:19:29,595 --> 01:19:31,235 because an injunction was in place. 1537 01:19:31,235 --> 01:19:33,355 MALE REPORTER: And you can't tell me now 1538 01:19:33,355 --> 01:19:34,675 what was going on in Distillers? 1539 01:19:34,675 --> 01:19:36,195 I can't tell you, no. 1540 01:19:36,195 --> 01:19:38,835 I'm bound by the injunction, as anybody else is. 1541 01:19:38,835 --> 01:19:40,395 Did they have research facilities, 1542 01:19:40,395 --> 01:19:42,755 laboratories for testing drugs, that sort of thing? 1543 01:19:42,755 --> 01:19:45,035 Not on the scale that would've been necessary 1544 01:19:45,035 --> 01:19:47,275 to market a drug like thalidomide in Britain. 1545 01:19:47,275 --> 01:19:48,955 But nonetheless, they did market it. 1546 01:19:48,955 --> 01:19:51,835 Yes, they went ahead and marketed it. 1547 01:19:51,835 --> 01:19:54,674 And how that came about is the part that you can't tell? 1548 01:19:54,674 --> 01:19:56,434 That's what I'm not allowed to tell. 1549 01:19:56,434 --> 01:19:59,674 We're already on touchy ground here. 1550 01:19:59,674 --> 01:20:03,554 The details of why they actually picked on thalidomide, 1551 01:20:03,554 --> 01:20:05,634 why they went to Chemie Grunenthal, 1552 01:20:05,634 --> 01:20:07,794 uh, what tests they did on the drug 1553 01:20:07,794 --> 01:20:12,474 before marketing it on animals, uh, what tests they did to see 1554 01:20:12,474 --> 01:20:15,314 how the drug was absorbed into the human system, 1555 01:20:15,314 --> 01:20:17,794 what tests they did to see whether it was safe 1556 01:20:17,794 --> 01:20:21,394 for pregnant women to take before advertising it as such, 1557 01:20:21,394 --> 01:20:23,994 what clinical trials they did and the results 1558 01:20:23,994 --> 01:20:26,554 of those clinical trials, I can't discuss. 1559 01:20:26,554 --> 01:20:30,154 NARRATOR: However, building on the Insight team's research, 1560 01:20:30,154 --> 01:20:32,554 the Thalidomide Trust and others have finally, 1561 01:20:32,554 --> 01:20:36,114 but only recently, began to uncover the full story 1562 01:20:36,114 --> 01:20:39,074 of the drug's development. 1563 01:20:41,114 --> 01:20:43,994 They looked into how the owners of Chemie Grunenthal 1564 01:20:43,994 --> 01:20:47,074 had had the resources to set up a pharmaceutical division 1565 01:20:47,074 --> 01:20:50,874 when all around them was rubble. 1566 01:20:50,874 --> 01:20:52,634 They discovered that they were paid-up members 1567 01:20:52,634 --> 01:20:54,353 of the Nazi Party 1568 01:20:54,353 --> 01:20:56,193 who'd exploited the Aryanization program 1569 01:20:56,193 --> 01:20:58,673 in order to buy up Jewish-owned companies 1570 01:20:58,673 --> 01:21:01,713 at a fraction of their value. 1571 01:21:01,713 --> 01:21:04,193 According to the company's records, 1572 01:21:04,193 --> 01:21:06,353 it only took eight weeks from starting 1573 01:21:06,353 --> 01:21:09,513 to develop their wonder drug to the first patent 1574 01:21:09,513 --> 01:21:11,153 for thalidomide being filed. 1575 01:21:11,153 --> 01:21:16,033 This seemed a suspiciously short amount of time. 1576 01:21:16,033 --> 01:21:18,073 In all likelihood, the scientists involved 1577 01:21:18,073 --> 01:21:22,473 had been working on these compounds prior to the war. 1578 01:21:57,112 --> 01:21:59,712 NARRATOR: Hitler ordered one of those scientists 1579 01:21:59,712 --> 01:22:02,552 to develop an antidote. 1580 01:22:04,192 --> 01:22:07,312 After the war, Otto Ambros went on to work 1581 01:22:07,312 --> 01:22:09,392 at Chemie Grunenthal. 1582 01:22:09,392 --> 01:22:13,672 JOHNSON: Now, Otto Ambros was known as "the Devil's Chemist," 1583 01:22:13,672 --> 01:22:15,912 and he was the man 1584 01:22:15,912 --> 01:22:20,592 who decided that there should be a big concentration camp 1585 01:22:20,592 --> 01:22:23,392 at a place called Auschwitz. 1586 01:22:25,392 --> 01:22:28,872 We looked at thalidomide, 1587 01:22:28,872 --> 01:22:31,112 and we looked at the claim that 1588 01:22:31,112 --> 01:22:33,912 it was a completely new type of compound, 1589 01:22:33,912 --> 01:22:37,312 and we discovered instead that, in fact, 1590 01:22:37,312 --> 01:22:41,272 it was one of thousands of similar compounds, 1591 01:22:41,272 --> 01:22:44,032 and-and some of them well-known drugs, 1592 01:22:44,032 --> 01:22:47,672 that went back to the 1940s and the 1930s. 1593 01:22:47,672 --> 01:22:52,832 We got hold of the earliest patents for thalidomide, 1594 01:22:52,832 --> 01:22:56,032 and we showed them to one of our experts, 1595 01:22:56,032 --> 01:22:58,631 and he looked at the description of the effects 1596 01:22:58,631 --> 01:23:02,151 of this chemical and said, "How did they know that?" 1597 01:23:02,151 --> 01:23:04,471 And the effects he was looking at 1598 01:23:04,471 --> 01:23:09,351 were five different effects on the nervous system. 1599 01:23:13,631 --> 01:23:16,231 NARRATOR: These five separate descriptions show 1600 01:23:16,231 --> 01:23:18,911 that the writers of the patent knew that the drug acted 1601 01:23:18,911 --> 01:23:20,911 on the nervous system in such a way 1602 01:23:20,911 --> 01:23:23,351 that it caused a slowing down of muscle movements, 1603 01:23:23,351 --> 01:23:25,671 creating a sedating effect. 1604 01:23:25,671 --> 01:23:28,111 It reduced the metabolism, heartbeat, 1605 01:23:28,111 --> 01:23:30,671 circulatory and digestive systems 1606 01:23:30,671 --> 01:23:34,351 with effects on the immune system. 1607 01:23:34,351 --> 01:23:36,711 JOHNSON: There was no legal way 1608 01:23:36,711 --> 01:23:40,151 in which they could've tested this chemical on humans 1609 01:23:40,151 --> 01:23:41,871 before they wrote this patent. 1610 01:23:41,871 --> 01:23:43,831 And in any event, in postwar Germany, 1611 01:23:43,831 --> 01:23:45,871 that would've been illegal. 1612 01:23:47,911 --> 01:23:49,991 Although we have no direct evidence 1613 01:23:49,991 --> 01:23:52,751 that thalidomide was used or tested in the camps, 1614 01:23:52,751 --> 01:23:55,231 there is a lot of circumstantial evidence, 1615 01:23:55,231 --> 01:23:57,991 and one of the startling stories we heard 1616 01:23:57,991 --> 01:24:01,670 was from the mother of one of our thalidomiders. 1617 01:24:01,670 --> 01:24:03,670 SINCLAIR: It was my brother-in-law 1618 01:24:03,670 --> 01:24:05,590 who was one of the first 1619 01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:10,430 into Belsen Concentration Camp, who liberated them. 1620 01:24:12,230 --> 01:24:15,590 It was only nearing the end of his life that he said, 1621 01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:18,630 "You know, that's where I saw babies 1622 01:24:18,630 --> 01:24:22,070 with deformities like thalidomide." 1623 01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:24,750 He said, "Some were living, only just, 1624 01:24:24,750 --> 01:24:26,790 and others were very dead." 1625 01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:29,110 But he says, "They had been 1626 01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:32,990 obviously giving it to the mothers of these children." 1627 01:24:34,630 --> 01:24:37,590 REPORTER: This is the doctor in charge of the female section 1628 01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:41,030 of the concentration camp, Bergen-Belsen. 1629 01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:42,430 (woman speaking German) 1630 01:24:42,430 --> 01:24:44,350 She adds that various medical experiments 1631 01:24:44,350 --> 01:24:45,990 were made on the prisoners. 1632 01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:49,150 Doctors gave some of them intravenous injections. 1633 01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:54,270 And it was when we started looking at the patents 1634 01:24:54,270 --> 01:24:58,390 for similar compounds in the 1940s that we realized 1635 01:24:58,390 --> 01:25:02,429 that all of these drugs were being tested 1636 01:25:02,429 --> 01:25:07,629 for their anti-convulsant effects, and... 1637 01:25:07,629 --> 01:25:10,789 this... this made sense 1638 01:25:10,789 --> 01:25:14,109 only in an era where people were trying 1639 01:25:14,109 --> 01:25:17,149 to find antidotes for the nerve poisons. 1640 01:25:17,149 --> 01:25:19,749 MALE REPORTER: This clothing will protect the wearer 1641 01:25:19,749 --> 01:25:22,589 from contact with liquid nerve agent, 1642 01:25:22,589 --> 01:25:25,789 as well as from nerve agent vapor. 1643 01:25:25,789 --> 01:25:28,589 And if symptoms of nerve agent poisoning appear, 1644 01:25:28,589 --> 01:25:31,109 you have still another form of protection: 1645 01:25:31,109 --> 01:25:33,709 your atropine injector. 1646 01:25:35,589 --> 01:25:37,949 This is to be used only after symptoms 1647 01:25:37,949 --> 01:25:40,269 of nerve agent poisoning appear. 1648 01:25:40,269 --> 01:25:43,189 NARRATOR: Any potential antidote 1649 01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:45,589 to the nerve gasses would have to have been designed 1650 01:25:45,589 --> 01:25:48,549 to temporarily deaden the victim's nervous system. 1651 01:25:48,549 --> 01:25:52,429 However, this effect would have catastrophic consequences 1652 01:25:52,429 --> 01:25:56,029 for a baby developing in the womb. 1653 01:25:56,029 --> 01:25:59,869 JOHNSON: The way the drug damaged the babies was acting 1654 01:25:59,869 --> 01:26:05,428 as a nerve poison, and the thalidomide molecule 1655 01:26:05,428 --> 01:26:07,948 gets into the baby, just as its nervous system 1656 01:26:07,948 --> 01:26:09,588 is starting to form, 1657 01:26:09,588 --> 01:26:12,188 and kills the developing nerve end, 1658 01:26:12,188 --> 01:26:14,668 and it does it with great precision. 1659 01:26:14,668 --> 01:26:17,108 (heart beating) 1660 01:26:17,108 --> 01:26:20,868 The nervous system begins developing around day 20, 1661 01:26:20,868 --> 01:26:24,148 so, on day 20 to 21, 1662 01:26:24,148 --> 01:26:28,148 uh, the-the baby is liable to have severe brain damage. 1663 01:26:29,988 --> 01:26:31,948 Then at day 21 1664 01:26:31,948 --> 01:26:33,948 to 22, 1665 01:26:33,948 --> 01:26:36,228 it may remove one or both of the eyes 1666 01:26:36,228 --> 01:26:39,348 and damage the remaining eye. 1667 01:26:39,348 --> 01:26:42,868 And at 23, it'll take away the hearing. 1668 01:26:42,868 --> 01:26:45,188 And it may remove the ears, 1669 01:26:45,188 --> 01:26:48,828 it may damage the inner ear, the middle ear, 1670 01:26:48,828 --> 01:26:53,708 the outer ear, and it may do those in random combinations. 1671 01:26:55,148 --> 01:26:59,028 And around day 24, it will begin removing the arm system, 1672 01:26:59,028 --> 01:27:02,348 so it begins with a complete removal of the arms, 1673 01:27:02,348 --> 01:27:06,227 until by 28, it'll just be damage to the hands and wrists. 1674 01:27:06,227 --> 01:27:11,027 And around day 30, it'll be the removal of the legs, 1675 01:27:11,027 --> 01:27:12,627 or severe damage to the legs, 1676 01:27:12,627 --> 01:27:14,867 down to day 35, 1677 01:27:14,867 --> 01:27:18,507 where it will be moderate damage to the legs and feet. 1678 01:27:18,507 --> 01:27:23,507 So, thalidomide attacks the embryo 1679 01:27:23,507 --> 01:27:26,267 almost with the precision of a sniper's rifle, 1680 01:27:26,267 --> 01:27:29,907 with the effects changing day by day. 1681 01:27:31,507 --> 01:27:33,427 NARRATOR: So thalidomide was a by-product 1682 01:27:33,427 --> 01:27:37,227 of the Nazi chemical warfare program. 1683 01:27:37,227 --> 01:27:39,427 It only stood out from the other compounds developed 1684 01:27:39,427 --> 01:27:41,027 at the time because it acted 1685 01:27:41,027 --> 01:27:45,467 as an addictive sedative that gave the user a high. 1686 01:27:45,467 --> 01:27:47,307 DANDILY (echoing): So I took 'em, which you did. 1687 01:27:47,307 --> 01:27:49,187 They was good, don't get me wrong. 1688 01:27:49,187 --> 01:27:51,707 They were smashing when I... when I took 'em, you know? 1689 01:27:51,707 --> 01:27:53,867 I felt real good. 1690 01:27:53,867 --> 01:27:56,307 TELFORD TAYLOR: The crimes with which these men are charged 1691 01:27:56,307 --> 01:27:57,667 were not committed in rage 1692 01:27:57,667 --> 01:27:59,307 or under the... 1693 01:27:59,307 --> 01:28:01,907 NARRATOR: Ambros was implicated in serious war crimes 1694 01:28:01,907 --> 01:28:05,387 involving the deaths of tens of thousands of people. 1695 01:28:05,387 --> 01:28:08,506 But by the time of the Nuremberg trials in 1946, 1696 01:28:08,506 --> 01:28:12,426 the Allies were overwhelmed by war criminals. 1697 01:28:12,426 --> 01:28:14,986 -Otto Ambros. -Ambros. 1698 01:28:14,986 --> 01:28:18,146 NARRATOR: Although some Nazi scientists were executed, 1699 01:28:18,146 --> 01:28:20,946 most punishments were relatively lenient. 1700 01:28:20,946 --> 01:28:23,186 JOHNSON: Otto Ambros could 1701 01:28:23,186 --> 01:28:27,186 no longer go and work in the top companies in the industry, 1702 01:28:27,186 --> 01:28:30,906 and that's why they were working around smaller businesses 1703 01:28:30,906 --> 01:28:33,266 like Grunenthal. 1704 01:28:34,426 --> 01:28:37,226 NARRATOR: Inexplicably, in December 1970, 1705 01:28:37,226 --> 01:28:40,706 the judges at the trial of executives of Chemie Grunenthal 1706 01:28:40,706 --> 01:28:42,386 suspended what was by then 1707 01:28:42,386 --> 01:28:46,106 the longest criminal trial in German history. 1708 01:28:46,106 --> 01:28:49,026 After two and a half years in court, 1709 01:28:49,026 --> 01:28:52,986 the accused were neither exonerated nor found guilty. 1710 01:28:52,986 --> 01:28:55,866 The question of criminal responsibility 1711 01:28:55,866 --> 01:28:58,466 has never been concluded. 1712 01:29:04,746 --> 01:29:08,506 The Page-Potter article was finally completed 1713 01:29:08,506 --> 01:29:10,305 and the presses ready to roll, 1714 01:29:10,305 --> 01:29:13,385 but The Sunday Times were told they couldn't publish, 1715 01:29:13,385 --> 01:29:17,065 and an injunction was issued by the attorney general. 1716 01:29:17,945 --> 01:29:20,545 They appealed and won. 1717 01:29:20,545 --> 01:29:23,185 The case then went to the House of Lords. 1718 01:29:23,185 --> 01:29:25,545 EVANS: So we're now in the House of Lords, 1719 01:29:25,545 --> 01:29:27,785 and I'm sitting there with my colleagues. 1720 01:29:27,785 --> 01:29:32,025 And the final conclusion of the judge is the following-- 1721 01:29:32,025 --> 01:29:35,385 just listen to this-- 1722 01:29:35,385 --> 01:29:37,745 "The article will be banned. 1723 01:29:37,745 --> 01:29:41,545 "It is perfectly all right for The Sunday Times 1724 01:29:41,545 --> 01:29:44,505 "to have conducted a moral campaign, 1725 01:29:44,505 --> 01:29:47,145 "but it is illegal to publish the facts 1726 01:29:47,145 --> 01:29:50,625 on which the moral campaign was based." 1727 01:29:50,625 --> 01:29:55,385 So we've now lost in the House of Lords. 1728 01:29:55,385 --> 01:29:58,145 So what do we do? 1729 01:29:58,145 --> 01:30:00,585 So we appeal to the European Commission of Rights 1730 01:30:00,585 --> 01:30:06,385 that Harold Evans, representing my colleagues, of course, 1731 01:30:06,385 --> 01:30:08,825 had been denied free speech 1732 01:30:08,825 --> 01:30:11,584 under Article 10 of the Human Rights Act. 1733 01:30:11,584 --> 01:30:15,224 So we then got in bumpy airplane rides to Strasbourg 1734 01:30:15,224 --> 01:30:17,224 week after week after week 1735 01:30:17,224 --> 01:30:20,744 to argue the case before the court. 1736 01:30:20,744 --> 01:30:23,624 And we won by... really, by two votes. 1737 01:30:23,624 --> 01:30:25,104 FEMALE REPORTER: Mr. Evans, just how significant 1738 01:30:25,104 --> 01:30:26,944 do you think this judgment is today? 1739 01:30:26,944 --> 01:30:29,664 Tremendous. It's the most important judgment for the... 1740 01:30:29,664 --> 01:30:31,304 not only for the freedom of the press 1741 01:30:31,304 --> 01:30:34,104 but for the citizens' right to know in England. 1742 01:30:34,104 --> 01:30:36,144 The most distinguished group of judges have told 1743 01:30:36,144 --> 01:30:38,624 the British government, "Reform the laws." 1744 01:30:38,624 --> 01:30:40,544 They've got to do it now. 1745 01:30:40,544 --> 01:30:43,904 That was Harry's greatest achievement, I think, 1746 01:30:43,904 --> 01:30:47,104 to change British law in favor, 1747 01:30:47,104 --> 01:30:50,104 if you like, of press freedom, in favor... 1748 01:30:50,104 --> 01:30:53,624 give more power to the powerless, in a sense, 1749 01:30:53,624 --> 01:30:57,024 by enabling investigative journalism 1750 01:30:57,024 --> 01:31:01,704 to continue despite a gagging writ. 1751 01:31:01,704 --> 01:31:03,944 ♪ ♪ 1752 01:31:18,263 --> 01:31:20,463 (typewriter clacking) 1753 01:31:25,103 --> 01:31:27,223 EVANS: The production is 1754 01:31:27,223 --> 01:31:28,663 superb today; we're well ahead. 1755 01:31:28,663 --> 01:31:31,303 Everything's pretty... Well, everything is set. 1756 01:31:31,303 --> 01:31:34,543 Everybody who we wanted to-to comment has said no, 1757 01:31:34,543 --> 01:31:36,543 and we'll say that on the front page. 1758 01:31:36,543 --> 01:31:38,303 And in the meantime, I must get on with this. 1759 01:31:38,303 --> 01:31:39,743 MAN: It's the right number of words, is it? 1760 01:31:39,743 --> 01:31:41,423 I think it's over. I've... 1761 01:31:41,423 --> 01:31:45,383 My guess is that we're probably two or three columns over. 1762 01:31:45,383 --> 01:31:48,943 But how can you deal with ten years of nonsense 1763 01:31:48,943 --> 01:31:50,943 and silence and secrecy? 1764 01:31:50,943 --> 01:31:54,063 ♪ ♪ 1765 01:32:08,183 --> 01:32:09,943 (speaking indistinctly) 1766 01:32:09,943 --> 01:32:13,143 NARRATOR: The Insight team's exposé of Distillers 1767 01:32:13,143 --> 01:32:15,342 was finally published. 1768 01:32:17,982 --> 01:32:20,702 It was the culmination of a long battle 1769 01:32:20,702 --> 01:32:23,182 and a significant step towards liberating 1770 01:32:23,182 --> 01:32:28,382 what Harry famously called "the half-free press." 1771 01:32:30,142 --> 01:32:32,622 RUSBRIDGER: There's something about the institutional weight 1772 01:32:32,622 --> 01:32:35,582 of a newspaper that has to stand behind reporting, 1773 01:32:35,582 --> 01:32:39,502 and-and that is... that is the fourth estate. 1774 01:32:39,502 --> 01:32:42,342 And I think that's-that's the thing that I most fear 1775 01:32:42,342 --> 01:32:46,222 about the digital age, is-is that you lose that 1776 01:32:46,222 --> 01:32:49,222 counterbalancing force of-of what the institutional weight 1777 01:32:49,222 --> 01:32:51,982 of the press standing behind reporting. 1778 01:32:51,982 --> 01:32:54,022 Uh, whether it's against countries 1779 01:32:54,022 --> 01:32:56,102 or corporations or governments. 1780 01:32:56,102 --> 01:32:58,302 Uh, and, you know, 1781 01:32:58,302 --> 01:33:02,502 I think Harry Evans, in some ways, embodies that. 1782 01:33:23,421 --> 01:33:25,741 NARRATOR: In 2005, Harry was given 1783 01:33:25,741 --> 01:33:29,381 the post of editor-at-large for Thomson Reuters, 1784 01:33:29,381 --> 01:33:31,101 the world's largest news agency, 1785 01:33:31,101 --> 01:33:33,861 where he once again works under the proprietorship 1786 01:33:33,861 --> 01:33:37,061 of the Thomson family. 1787 01:33:37,061 --> 01:33:38,941 EVANS: Every newspaper editor's 1788 01:33:38,941 --> 01:33:43,061 face should be marked with his features removed 1789 01:33:43,061 --> 01:33:45,941 and a big question mark superimposed. 1790 01:33:45,941 --> 01:33:47,861 Does he have curiosity? 1791 01:33:50,061 --> 01:33:52,261 He needs to have a sense of purpose. 1792 01:33:52,261 --> 01:33:55,421 What is he in the game for? 1793 01:33:56,221 --> 01:33:59,181 Is it to maximize money? 1794 01:33:59,181 --> 01:34:02,701 Is it to maximize his own reputation? 1795 01:34:02,701 --> 01:34:03,901 What is it for? 1796 01:34:06,221 --> 01:34:10,181 Once it d... gets defined by the making of money only-- 1797 01:34:10,181 --> 01:34:13,581 let's say we need it, we need to be sustained-- 1798 01:34:13,581 --> 01:34:17,541 but once it's defined by the making of money, 1799 01:34:17,541 --> 01:34:19,020 there are no inhibitions. 1800 01:34:19,020 --> 01:34:22,420 Anything that makes money, he's justified. 1801 01:34:26,100 --> 01:34:28,020 To my way of thinking, 1802 01:34:28,020 --> 01:34:30,260 which sounds a bit like a Boy Scout, 1803 01:34:30,260 --> 01:34:34,100 that's not a sufficient definition of a good editor 1804 01:34:34,100 --> 01:34:35,820 and a sufficient guidance. 1805 01:34:43,700 --> 01:34:45,900 (indistinct chatter) 1806 01:34:48,020 --> 01:34:50,300 Yeah, she likes having hers done. 1807 01:34:50,300 --> 01:34:51,820 I hate it. 1808 01:34:54,860 --> 01:34:57,580 EVANS: This whole fantastic story 1809 01:34:57,580 --> 01:35:01,700 can only begin by my saying to everybody here, 1810 01:35:01,700 --> 01:35:06,100 b-beginning first with the mothers, whom we often think, 1811 01:35:06,100 --> 01:35:07,660 "Oh, they were the mothers." 1812 01:35:07,660 --> 01:35:09,940 Yeah, the mothers, 1813 01:35:09,940 --> 01:35:12,860 giving birth to you, 1814 01:35:12,860 --> 01:35:16,220 much as you were loved, it was a shock. 1815 01:35:16,220 --> 01:35:19,380 And the fathers-- 1816 01:35:19,380 --> 01:35:22,699 most of whom were good, some of whom were not. 1817 01:35:22,699 --> 01:35:24,739 And, of course, you. 1818 01:35:24,739 --> 01:35:28,139 And I just think it's absolutely astonishing 1819 01:35:28,139 --> 01:35:31,619 and amazing to me 1820 01:35:31,619 --> 01:35:34,939 that those babies I first saw 1821 01:35:34,939 --> 01:35:37,139 when I was editor at The Northern Echo 1822 01:35:37,139 --> 01:35:42,059 are now here making lives. 1823 01:35:42,059 --> 01:35:46,139 So if we'd never won a penny of compensation, 1824 01:35:46,139 --> 01:35:50,059 that would be an amazing reward. 1825 01:35:50,059 --> 01:35:52,539 So congratulations to you. 1826 01:35:52,539 --> 01:35:55,099 (applause) 1827 01:35:56,579 --> 01:35:58,459 ARGY: He changed the dynamic 1828 01:35:58,459 --> 01:36:00,699 and the intention of what was going on 1829 01:36:00,699 --> 01:36:04,139 in the rest of the world, where the fault was with the parents. 1830 01:36:04,139 --> 01:36:05,899 You know, countries were saying that, 1831 01:36:05,899 --> 01:36:07,419 "Well, the mothers took the drug. 1832 01:36:07,419 --> 01:36:09,139 It's their fault the children are like this." 1833 01:36:09,139 --> 01:36:11,539 But Harold Evans came along and he said, "No, 1834 01:36:11,539 --> 01:36:13,579 "this is the fault of the pharmaceutical companies, 1835 01:36:13,579 --> 01:36:15,139 and they're the ones who must pay." 1836 01:36:15,139 --> 01:36:16,779 And he took the blame away from the parents, 1837 01:36:16,779 --> 01:36:19,219 which is a massive thing, because any parent 1838 01:36:19,219 --> 01:36:22,099 will always blame themselves for the way their child turns out. 1839 01:36:22,099 --> 01:36:23,858 -Thank you so very much. -(applause) 1840 01:36:23,858 --> 01:36:27,538 He took that responsibility away and that guilt, 1841 01:36:27,538 --> 01:36:29,298 and he made it very clear that it was 1842 01:36:29,298 --> 01:36:31,058 the pharmaceutical company, Distillers, 1843 01:36:31,058 --> 01:36:33,218 and not the parents who were at fault. 1844 01:36:33,218 --> 01:36:35,378 There was a Daily Mirror front page... 1845 01:36:35,378 --> 01:36:36,738 GALVIN: I will remember 1846 01:36:36,738 --> 01:36:39,138 as long as I live the day I read 1847 01:36:39,138 --> 01:36:41,378 in that paper about that injunction, that writ, 1848 01:36:41,378 --> 01:36:43,098 and about what they were going to do. 1849 01:36:43,098 --> 01:36:45,418 -It's here. -He was determined 1850 01:36:45,418 --> 01:36:47,938 to take on the big boys. And, you know, the bigger they are, 1851 01:36:47,938 --> 01:36:50,098 the harder the fall, which he proved. 1852 01:36:50,098 --> 01:36:51,458 (Dominic speaks indistinctly) 1853 01:36:51,458 --> 01:36:53,618 He's only a little guy, but, my God, 1854 01:36:53,618 --> 01:36:56,258 he is Mr. Perfection, Mr. Sunday Times. 1855 01:36:56,258 --> 01:37:00,458 Without him, we didn't stand a... we didn't stand a chance. 1856 01:37:02,018 --> 01:37:04,258 The ever complex, 1857 01:37:04,258 --> 01:37:07,098 multifaceted, changing, 1858 01:37:07,098 --> 01:37:12,018 thrilling nature of the mosaic of news. 1859 01:37:12,018 --> 01:37:14,658 And that's how I got into journalism. 1860 01:37:14,658 --> 01:37:17,698 ♪ ♪ 1861 01:37:41,177 --> 01:37:42,857 Let me make the following statement 1862 01:37:42,857 --> 01:37:44,937 on behalf of the government. 1863 01:37:44,937 --> 01:37:50,617 I know many thalidomiders have waited a long time for this. 1864 01:37:50,617 --> 01:37:53,697 It is agreed with the National Advisory Council 1865 01:37:53,697 --> 01:37:56,897 of the Thalidomide Trust. 1866 01:37:56,897 --> 01:37:59,377 The government wishes to express 1867 01:37:59,377 --> 01:38:03,017 its sincere regret and deep sympathy 1868 01:38:03,017 --> 01:38:06,657 for the injury and suffering endured 1869 01:38:06,657 --> 01:38:09,697 by all those affected when expectant mothers 1870 01:38:09,697 --> 01:38:14,657 took the drug thalidomide between 1958 and 1961. 1871 01:38:14,657 --> 01:38:16,137 ARGY: It was like 1872 01:38:16,137 --> 01:38:18,457 the world stood still; everything just stopped 1873 01:38:18,457 --> 01:38:21,577 when Mike O'Brien, the health minister, 1874 01:38:21,577 --> 01:38:23,977 started his statement of regret. 1875 01:38:23,977 --> 01:38:26,976 It was kind of like... The only way I can describe it, 1876 01:38:26,976 --> 01:38:29,256 it's like everything went into alignment. 1877 01:38:29,256 --> 01:38:33,096 The challenges that many continue to endure, 1878 01:38:33,096 --> 01:38:35,856 often on a daily basis... 1879 01:38:35,856 --> 01:38:38,176 I'd waited my whole life to hear this apology, 1880 01:38:38,176 --> 01:38:40,616 and finally I've heard it. 1881 01:38:41,736 --> 01:38:43,696 And then I flew out to New York that night 1882 01:38:43,696 --> 01:38:45,376 on the 6:00 p.m. flight. 1883 01:38:45,376 --> 01:38:48,376 Next morning, I went banging around to Harold Evans' house. 1884 01:38:48,376 --> 01:38:51,136 And it was so exciting, because for everything 1885 01:38:51,136 --> 01:38:53,656 that Harold had managed to do for us, 1886 01:38:53,656 --> 01:38:56,576 one thing he hadn't been able to do was get that apology. 1887 01:38:56,576 --> 01:38:58,856 So we watched it together and we just had our arms wrapped round 1888 01:38:58,856 --> 01:39:00,976 each other, and we were just crying, staring at the... 1889 01:39:00,976 --> 01:39:03,136 at his little computer screen, 1890 01:39:03,136 --> 01:39:06,336 watching Mike O'Brien make his apology. 1891 01:39:55,655 --> 01:39:58,335 ♪ ♪ 1892 01:40:27,655 --> 01:40:30,334 ♪ ♪ 1893 01:40:59,654 --> 01:41:02,334 ♪ ♪ 1894 01:41:28,414 --> 01:41:30,614 (music fades) 151059

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