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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:18,601 --> 00:00:22,230 It's intensely contemplative. 2 00:00:26,025 --> 00:00:28,778 It is almost hypnotic. 3 00:00:32,657 --> 00:00:38,163 It's like putting your hand on the third rail of the universe. 4 00:00:39,622 --> 00:00:42,459 If you play Go seriously, 5 00:00:42,542 --> 00:00:45,962 there is a chance that you will get exposed 6 00:00:46,045 --> 00:00:50,008 to this experience that... 7 00:00:50,925 --> 00:00:53,762 is kind of like nothing else on the planet. 8 00:00:54,637 --> 00:00:56,598 Go is putting you in a place 9 00:00:56,681 --> 00:01:01,061 where you're always at the very farthest reaches 10 00:01:01,144 --> 00:01:02,437 of your capacity. 11 00:01:04,189 --> 00:01:06,274 There's a reason that people have been playing Go 12 00:01:06,357 --> 00:01:08,077 for thousands and thousands of years, right? 13 00:01:09,402 --> 00:01:11,529 It's not just that they want to understand Go. 14 00:01:12,781 --> 00:01:16,242 They want to understand what understanding is. 15 00:01:17,911 --> 00:01:21,498 And maybe that is truly what it means to be human. 16 00:01:26,544 --> 00:01:29,130 When I was a kid, I loved playing games. 17 00:01:30,215 --> 00:01:32,884 I started off with board games like chess. 18 00:01:33,802 --> 00:01:36,471 And then I bought my first computer when I was eight 19 00:01:36,554 --> 00:01:38,264 with winnings from a chess tournament. 20 00:01:39,557 --> 00:01:42,185 Ever since then, I felt that computers 21 00:01:42,268 --> 00:01:46,481 were this sort of magical device that could extend the power of your mind. 22 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:50,735 Virtual environments and games, 23 00:01:51,361 --> 00:01:55,156 we think they're the perfect platform for developing and testing AI algorithms. 24 00:01:55,949 --> 00:01:59,327 Games are very convenient, in that a lot of them have scores, 25 00:01:59,410 --> 00:02:02,497 so it's very easy to measure incremental progress. 26 00:02:02,872 --> 00:02:06,876 So I'm going to show you a few videos of the agent system, the AI. 27 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,837 So let's start off with Breakout. 28 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:10,880 So here you control the bat and ball, 29 00:02:10,964 --> 00:02:13,364 and you're trying to break through this rainbow-colored wall. 30 00:02:13,758 --> 00:02:16,511 The agent system has to learn everything for itself, 31 00:02:16,594 --> 00:02:18,054 just from the raw pixels. 32 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:19,806 It doesn't know what it's controlling. 33 00:02:19,889 --> 00:02:22,517 It doesn't even know what the object of the game is. 34 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,771 Now, at the beginning, after 100 games, you can see the agent is not very good. 35 00:02:26,855 --> 00:02:28,481 It's missing the ball most of the time. 36 00:02:28,565 --> 00:02:30,441 But it's starting to get the hang of the idea 37 00:02:30,525 --> 00:02:32,125 that the bat should go towards the ball. 38 00:02:33,111 --> 00:02:34,612 Now, after 300 games, 39 00:02:34,696 --> 00:02:36,990 it's about as good as any human can play this, 40 00:02:37,073 --> 00:02:39,325 and pretty much gets the ball back every time. 41 00:02:39,409 --> 00:02:40,845 We thought, "Well, that's pretty cool." 42 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:43,496 But we left the system playing for another 200 games, 43 00:02:43,580 --> 00:02:44,831 and it did this amazing thing. 44 00:02:44,914 --> 00:02:46,207 It found the optimal strategy 45 00:02:46,291 --> 00:02:48,251 was to dig a tunnel around the side. 46 00:02:48,334 --> 00:02:50,094 And put the ball around the back of the wall. 47 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:53,548 The researchers working on this, the amazing AI developers, 48 00:02:53,631 --> 00:02:56,843 well, they're not so good at Breakout, and they didn't know about that strategy. 49 00:02:56,926 --> 00:02:58,779 So, they learned something from their own system, 50 00:02:58,803 --> 00:03:01,347 which is, uh, you know, pretty funny and quite instructive, 51 00:03:01,431 --> 00:03:04,183 I think, about the potential for general AI. 52 00:03:04,642 --> 00:03:06,895 So, for us, what's the next step now? 53 00:03:06,978 --> 00:03:10,481 Go is the most complex game, pretty much, ever devised by man. 54 00:03:10,565 --> 00:03:12,400 Beating a professional player at Go 55 00:03:12,483 --> 00:03:15,904 is a long-standing, grand challenge of AI research. 56 00:03:36,966 --> 00:03:38,009 Wow. 57 00:03:39,594 --> 00:03:41,387 You really want to kill me, yeah? 58 00:03:41,930 --> 00:03:44,599 No, I don't want to, but I'm trying to survive. 59 00:03:44,682 --> 00:03:45,934 Yes, that's it. That's it. 60 00:03:46,017 --> 00:03:47,977 I am a Go professional player. 61 00:03:48,061 --> 00:03:49,646 I am also a European Champion. 62 00:03:50,230 --> 00:03:51,689 With that move, 63 00:03:51,773 --> 00:03:53,316 you're going to lose for sure. 64 00:03:53,399 --> 00:03:56,110 You were happy to defeat me but then you panicked. 65 00:03:56,611 --> 00:03:59,822 You're afraid that victory will escape you. 66 00:03:59,906 --> 00:04:03,534 In general, when you're afraid, victory always escapes you. 67 00:04:05,703 --> 00:04:07,205 I was born in China. 68 00:04:07,664 --> 00:04:10,875 When I was 18, I wanted to change my life. 69 00:04:11,417 --> 00:04:13,169 That was why I went to France. 70 00:04:14,128 --> 00:04:16,506 I wanted to try to forget Go. 71 00:04:17,882 --> 00:04:19,300 But it was impossible. 72 00:04:19,884 --> 00:04:23,972 Because all the things I learned in my life was through Go. 73 00:04:25,056 --> 00:04:26,432 It looks like a mirror. 74 00:04:27,225 --> 00:04:30,561 When I see Go, I also see myself. 75 00:04:32,272 --> 00:04:34,399 For me, Go is real life. 76 00:04:40,238 --> 00:04:41,447 Dear Mr. Fan. 77 00:04:41,823 --> 00:04:43,449 My name is Demis Hassabis. 78 00:04:44,659 --> 00:04:48,413 I run an artificial intelligence company based in London called DeepMind. 79 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:51,291 As the strongest Go player in Europe, 80 00:04:51,374 --> 00:04:53,918 we would like to invite you to our offices in London, 81 00:04:54,002 --> 00:04:56,421 both to meet you in person and to share with you 82 00:04:56,504 --> 00:04:58,840 an exciting Go project that we are working on. 83 00:04:59,882 --> 00:05:01,802 If you would be interested in coming to visit us, 84 00:05:01,884 --> 00:05:03,052 please let us know. 85 00:05:03,803 --> 00:05:06,806 Many thanks. Kind regards, Demis. 86 00:05:08,266 --> 00:05:10,184 When I saw this e-mail, 87 00:05:10,268 --> 00:05:12,562 I didn't know if it was true or not. 88 00:05:13,938 --> 00:05:16,065 I will accept this. Why not? 89 00:05:18,026 --> 00:05:19,944 For me, everything is an adventure. 90 00:05:21,612 --> 00:05:23,239 I want to go visit DeepMind 91 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:27,702 to know what this Go project is. 92 00:05:31,581 --> 00:05:34,542 On my first visit, I thought maybe they wanted me 93 00:05:34,625 --> 00:05:36,461 to sit in a special room, 94 00:05:36,544 --> 00:05:39,172 attach numerous wires to my head, 95 00:05:39,589 --> 00:05:41,049 and also my body, 96 00:05:41,132 --> 00:05:44,385 let me play to scan my brain. 97 00:05:45,011 --> 00:05:46,054 I don't know, 98 00:05:46,804 --> 00:05:48,222 to make some research. 99 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:51,100 We needed to get Fan Hui to DeepMind 100 00:05:51,184 --> 00:05:54,729 to see we were a serious operation, and we were serious people... 101 00:05:55,563 --> 00:05:56,647 doing proper research. 102 00:05:58,107 --> 00:06:00,068 And the search time is getting better and better 103 00:06:00,151 --> 00:06:02,987 as we go from, for example, one to eight, in any one of these, 104 00:06:03,071 --> 00:06:04,781 it always goes up. 105 00:06:05,281 --> 00:06:07,158 We think of DeepMind as... 106 00:06:07,241 --> 00:06:10,036 kind of like an Apollo program effort for AI. 107 00:06:10,995 --> 00:06:14,248 Our mission is to fundamentally understand intelligence, 108 00:06:14,332 --> 00:06:16,000 and recreate it artificially. 109 00:06:16,334 --> 00:06:17,574 And then, once we've done that, 110 00:06:17,627 --> 00:06:21,089 we feel that we can use that technology to help society 111 00:06:21,172 --> 00:06:23,049 solve all sorts of other problems. 112 00:06:23,132 --> 00:06:24,675 If you step through the actual game, 113 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:27,303 we can see, kind of, how AlphaGo thinks, 114 00:06:27,386 --> 00:06:30,473 what's the most likely variation that it thinks will happen. 115 00:06:30,556 --> 00:06:32,391 We've been working on AlphaGo, 116 00:06:32,475 --> 00:06:35,770 our program to play Go, for just under two years now. 117 00:06:36,354 --> 00:06:38,397 All the little patterns cascade together, 118 00:06:38,481 --> 00:06:40,483 layer after layer, after layer, after layer. 119 00:06:41,484 --> 00:06:45,822 I started talking about the game of Go with Demis more than 20 years ago. 120 00:06:45,905 --> 00:06:48,324 And so, this has been a really long journey. 121 00:06:48,407 --> 00:06:51,828 The game of Go is the holy grail of artificial intelligence. 122 00:06:51,911 --> 00:06:54,163 For many years, people have looked at this game 123 00:06:54,247 --> 00:06:56,874 and they have thought, "Wow, this is just too hard." 124 00:06:56,958 --> 00:06:58,960 Everything we have ever tried in AI, 125 00:06:59,043 --> 00:07:01,212 it just falls over when you try the game of Go. 126 00:07:01,295 --> 00:07:04,674 And so that's why it feels like a real litmus test of progress. 127 00:07:04,757 --> 00:07:07,468 If we can crack Go, we know we've done something special. 128 00:07:09,679 --> 00:07:11,639 So with Fan Hui, we started talking around 129 00:07:11,722 --> 00:07:13,641 what the real purpose of the visit was. 130 00:07:13,724 --> 00:07:16,394 It wasn't just a Go project we wanted him to help with, 131 00:07:16,477 --> 00:07:19,981 that actually we wanted to play him, and we had a very strong program. 132 00:07:20,064 --> 00:07:21,691 It's okay, it's just a program. 133 00:07:21,774 --> 00:07:23,401 It's so easy. 134 00:07:23,484 --> 00:07:24,861 So, it will be easy to play. 135 00:07:25,278 --> 00:07:27,864 A lot of people have thought that it was decades away. 136 00:07:27,947 --> 00:07:29,383 Some people thought it would be never. 137 00:07:29,407 --> 00:07:34,704 Because they felt that to succeed at Go, you needed human intuition. 138 00:07:35,913 --> 00:07:40,168 Go is the world's oldest continuously played board game. 139 00:07:40,251 --> 00:07:41,711 And, in some sense, 140 00:07:41,794 --> 00:07:45,882 it is one of the simplest and also most abstract. 141 00:07:46,382 --> 00:07:47,758 There's only one type of piece. 142 00:07:47,842 --> 00:07:48,986 There's only one type of move. 143 00:07:49,010 --> 00:07:50,570 You just place that piece on the board. 144 00:07:51,053 --> 00:07:56,309 And then, your goal is to create a linked group of your stones 145 00:07:56,392 --> 00:07:58,144 that surrounds some empty territory. 146 00:07:58,811 --> 00:08:01,522 And when you surround enemy stones, 147 00:08:01,606 --> 00:08:04,066 you capture them, and remove them from the board. 148 00:08:05,067 --> 00:08:07,361 You earn points by surrounding territory. 149 00:08:07,445 --> 00:08:11,782 And, at the end of the game, the person with the most territory wins. 150 00:08:12,825 --> 00:08:14,619 It seems really simple. 151 00:08:14,702 --> 00:08:17,580 But, then you sit down to play, and you realize right away, 152 00:08:17,663 --> 00:08:20,917 it's like, "Well, I technically know what I'm allowed to do, 153 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,793 but I have no clue what I should do." 154 00:08:22,877 --> 00:08:25,505 Go is incredibly challenging for computers to tackle 155 00:08:25,588 --> 00:08:27,632 because compared to, say, chess, 156 00:08:27,715 --> 00:08:30,801 the number of possible moves in a position is much larger. 157 00:08:30,885 --> 00:08:32,303 In chess, it's about 20. 158 00:08:32,386 --> 00:08:34,222 In Go, it's about 200. 159 00:08:34,305 --> 00:08:37,183 And the number of possible configurations of the board 160 00:08:37,266 --> 00:08:39,727 is more than the number of atoms in the universe. 161 00:08:39,810 --> 00:08:42,313 So even if you took all the computers in the world, 162 00:08:42,396 --> 00:08:43,814 and ran them for a million years, 163 00:08:43,898 --> 00:08:48,236 that wouldn't be enough compute power to calculate all the possible variations. 164 00:08:48,569 --> 00:08:52,114 If you ask a great Go player why they played a particular move, 165 00:08:52,198 --> 00:08:54,617 sometimes, they will just tell you it felt right. 166 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:57,495 So, we have to come up with some kind of clever algorithm 167 00:08:57,578 --> 00:09:00,373 to mimic what people do with their intuition. 168 00:09:01,415 --> 00:09:03,751 - Nice to meet you. - Oh, hello. Nice to meet you, too. 169 00:09:03,834 --> 00:09:06,837 So with Fan Hui, we agreed a best-of-five match. 170 00:09:06,921 --> 00:09:09,006 And we agreed it would be filmed. 171 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:10,930 You know, we would treat it as a serious match. 172 00:09:13,678 --> 00:09:15,346 I played with AlphaGo. 173 00:09:15,429 --> 00:09:18,391 Aja Huang pushed the stones for AlphaGo. 174 00:09:18,891 --> 00:09:21,978 And, of course, I thought I will win the game with AlphaGo 175 00:09:22,061 --> 00:09:23,604 because it's just a program. 176 00:09:24,689 --> 00:09:25,689 Good game. 177 00:09:26,357 --> 00:09:27,357 Have a nice game. 178 00:09:30,903 --> 00:09:33,698 The first game, I made some mistakes, 179 00:09:33,781 --> 00:09:35,616 and I lost the game. 180 00:09:36,158 --> 00:09:39,412 Oh. Strange. Very strange game. 181 00:09:39,829 --> 00:09:42,748 In that first match, I think something clicked for him 182 00:09:42,832 --> 00:09:46,544 that this wasn't an ordinary Go program. 183 00:09:46,627 --> 00:09:49,630 We weren't just doing the same as everyone else, 184 00:09:49,714 --> 00:09:51,215 that something new was happening. 185 00:09:51,299 --> 00:09:53,926 The second game, I tried to change my style. 186 00:09:54,594 --> 00:09:57,763 But the problem is I also lost the second game. 187 00:09:57,847 --> 00:09:59,682 And also the third game, 188 00:09:59,765 --> 00:10:00,891 the fourth game, 189 00:10:01,392 --> 00:10:02,518 even the last game. 190 00:10:03,936 --> 00:10:06,105 I lost, five-zero. 191 00:10:08,190 --> 00:10:09,650 AlphaGo won all the games. 192 00:10:10,318 --> 00:10:13,070 After losing, losing, losing, 193 00:10:13,154 --> 00:10:16,407 you can feel his pressure is getting heavier and heavier. 194 00:10:16,949 --> 00:10:18,993 And several times after the game, 195 00:10:19,076 --> 00:10:23,289 he said he wanted to go out for fresh air. 196 00:10:23,372 --> 00:10:25,625 I said, "Oh, I can go with you and have a chat." 197 00:10:25,708 --> 00:10:27,228 He said, "No, I want to go by myself." 198 00:10:30,004 --> 00:10:32,882 I felt something very strange. 199 00:10:33,549 --> 00:10:34,842 I lost to a program. 200 00:10:35,551 --> 00:10:39,096 And I didn't understand myself anymore. 201 00:10:43,225 --> 00:10:45,311 I worried whether he would even come back. 202 00:10:45,394 --> 00:10:47,938 You know, he seemed very low, 203 00:10:48,022 --> 00:10:50,691 and he spent about an hour away from the office. 204 00:10:50,775 --> 00:10:52,610 He came back completely changed. 205 00:10:52,693 --> 00:10:56,405 I told Maddy, "This is the first time in history 206 00:10:56,489 --> 00:11:00,493 that a human professional Go player lost to a program. 207 00:11:00,993 --> 00:11:02,828 She told me, "Yes, we know. 208 00:11:02,912 --> 00:11:05,873 But for you... Are you okay?" 209 00:11:06,582 --> 00:11:07,667 I told her... 210 00:11:09,418 --> 00:11:11,545 "No, and yes." 211 00:11:12,213 --> 00:11:14,924 I am not happy to lose a game, 212 00:11:15,383 --> 00:11:19,595 but I'm very happy to play for history. 213 00:11:21,764 --> 00:11:25,935 Artificial intelligence researchers have solved the game of Go 214 00:11:26,018 --> 00:11:28,396 a decade earlier than expected. 215 00:11:28,479 --> 00:11:30,314 The computer named AlphaGo, 216 00:11:30,398 --> 00:11:32,942 was able to beat the European human champion. 217 00:11:33,025 --> 00:11:34,902 Artificial intelligence researchers 218 00:11:34,985 --> 00:11:36,695 have made a significant breakthrough. 219 00:11:36,779 --> 00:11:38,864 It really is a big leap forward. 220 00:11:39,323 --> 00:11:44,120 There's a big difference between the way the IBM computer beat Kasparov, 221 00:11:44,203 --> 00:11:46,747 which was programmed by expert chess players, 222 00:11:46,831 --> 00:11:50,709 and the way the Go-playing computer, more or less, learned itself. 223 00:11:50,793 --> 00:11:53,087 The way we start off training AlphaGo 224 00:11:53,170 --> 00:11:57,299 is by showing it 100,000 games that strong amateurs have played, 225 00:11:57,383 --> 00:11:59,027 that we have downloaded from the Internet. 226 00:11:59,051 --> 00:12:02,680 And we first initially get AlphaGo to mimic the human player. 227 00:12:02,763 --> 00:12:05,015 And then, through self-playing, reinforcement learning, 228 00:12:05,099 --> 00:12:07,935 it plays against different versions of itself many millions of times, 229 00:12:08,018 --> 00:12:09,687 and learns from its errors. 230 00:12:09,770 --> 00:12:13,732 The specific ideas that are driving AlphaGo 231 00:12:13,816 --> 00:12:15,526 are going to drive our future. 232 00:12:15,860 --> 00:12:18,320 The technologies at the heart of AlphaGo, 233 00:12:18,404 --> 00:12:20,698 they are what are called deep neural networks 234 00:12:20,781 --> 00:12:22,700 which essentially mimic 235 00:12:22,783 --> 00:12:24,910 the web of neurons in the human brain. 236 00:12:24,994 --> 00:12:26,412 It's a very old idea, 237 00:12:26,495 --> 00:12:30,207 but recently, due to increases in computing power, 238 00:12:30,291 --> 00:12:33,002 these neural networks have become extremely powerful, 239 00:12:33,085 --> 00:12:33,961 almost overnight. 240 00:12:34,044 --> 00:12:37,214 Big neural networks that operate on big data 241 00:12:37,298 --> 00:12:39,216 can achieve surprising things. 242 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:41,802 AlphaGo found a way to learn how to play Go. 243 00:12:41,886 --> 00:12:44,722 Learning is the key thing here. It is a machine learning. 244 00:12:44,805 --> 00:12:46,849 The whole beauty about these types of algorithms 245 00:12:46,932 --> 00:12:48,827 is that because they are learning for themselves, 246 00:12:48,851 --> 00:12:49,727 they can go beyond 247 00:12:49,810 --> 00:12:52,730 what we, as the programmers, know how to do, 248 00:12:52,813 --> 00:12:56,609 and allow us to make new breakthroughs in areas of science and medicine. 249 00:12:56,692 --> 00:13:01,489 So, AlphaGo is one significant step towards that ultimate goal. 250 00:13:11,165 --> 00:13:12,833 My wife called me. 251 00:13:13,417 --> 00:13:16,378 She told me, "Don't check the Internet. 252 00:13:16,462 --> 00:13:17,880 Don't connect to the Internet, 253 00:13:17,963 --> 00:13:20,424 because people are saying terrible things 254 00:13:20,508 --> 00:13:22,551 about your match with AlphaGo." 255 00:13:23,052 --> 00:13:26,013 "Fan Hui has been living for a long time in Europe, 256 00:13:26,096 --> 00:13:28,641 he is not a real professional, he's just an amateur player." 257 00:13:29,475 --> 00:13:32,186 This is so hard for me, so hard. 258 00:13:34,063 --> 00:13:35,856 The Go world was skeptical 259 00:13:35,940 --> 00:13:38,442 about how strong really was AlphaGo, 260 00:13:38,526 --> 00:13:40,027 and how much further did it need 261 00:13:40,110 --> 00:13:41,904 to get to beat the top professionals. 262 00:13:42,404 --> 00:13:45,074 So our program is improving over time, 263 00:13:45,157 --> 00:13:47,952 and we want to push the AI algorithm to the limit, 264 00:13:48,035 --> 00:13:51,622 and see how far this kind of self-improving process can go. 265 00:13:52,373 --> 00:13:55,251 So, we needed to look for an even greater challenge. 266 00:13:56,502 --> 00:14:00,130 A match like no other is about to get underway in South Korea. 267 00:14:00,214 --> 00:14:02,424 Se-dol Lee, the long-reigning global champ... 268 00:14:02,508 --> 00:14:04,009 This guy is a genius... 269 00:14:04,093 --> 00:14:07,513 ...who will take on artificial intelligence program AlphaGo 270 00:14:07,596 --> 00:14:10,641 in the ultimate human versus machine smackdown. 271 00:14:10,724 --> 00:14:14,687 This is a huge moment for both the world of artificial intelligence 272 00:14:14,770 --> 00:14:16,855 and I think, the world of Go. 273 00:14:16,939 --> 00:14:20,609 So far, AlphaGo has beaten every challenge we have given it. 274 00:14:20,693 --> 00:14:23,737 But we won't know its true strength until we play somebody 275 00:14:23,821 --> 00:14:26,740 who is at the top of the world, like Se-dol Lee. 276 00:14:26,824 --> 00:14:28,284 We chose Se-dol Lee 277 00:14:28,367 --> 00:14:31,912 because we wanted a legendary, historic player. 278 00:14:31,996 --> 00:14:35,791 Somebody who has been acknowledged as the greatest player of the last decade. 279 00:14:36,208 --> 00:14:40,170 I don't want to sound too arrogant, 280 00:14:40,254 --> 00:14:42,298 but, still, I think I have the advantage. 281 00:14:42,381 --> 00:14:44,508 "I will not be too arrogant, 282 00:14:44,592 --> 00:14:47,803 but I don't think that it will be a very close match. 283 00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:52,308 The level of the player that AlphaGo went against in October 284 00:14:52,391 --> 00:14:53,893 is not the same level as me. 285 00:14:53,976 --> 00:14:57,396 So, given that a couple of months has only passed, 286 00:14:57,479 --> 00:15:01,233 I don't think that it is enough for it to be able to catch up with me. 287 00:15:01,317 --> 00:15:06,322 My hope is that it will be either five-zero for me, or maybe four to one. 288 00:15:06,405 --> 00:15:10,200 So the critical point for me is to make sure I do not lose one." 289 00:15:10,784 --> 00:15:12,411 High five, please. 290 00:15:13,412 --> 00:15:15,497 We don't know how well 291 00:15:15,581 --> 00:15:17,291 our system will play against someone 292 00:15:17,374 --> 00:15:19,418 as creative as Se-dol Lee. 293 00:15:19,501 --> 00:15:20,586 Also, he's very famous 294 00:15:20,669 --> 00:15:24,048 - for very creative fighting play. - Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 295 00:15:24,131 --> 00:15:27,301 So, this could be difficult for us, but we'll see. 296 00:15:27,384 --> 00:15:28,218 Maybe, in some ways, 297 00:15:28,302 --> 00:15:30,142 he's the most difficult opponent we could pick. 298 00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:31,055 Yeah. 299 00:15:31,138 --> 00:15:33,557 There was still so much of a question 300 00:15:33,641 --> 00:15:35,643 about whether or not they could beat 301 00:15:35,726 --> 00:15:37,561 someone like Se-dol Lee. 302 00:15:38,062 --> 00:15:39,438 Fan Hui is a good player, 303 00:15:39,521 --> 00:15:42,650 but he's nothing like the very top players. 304 00:15:42,733 --> 00:15:44,902 Se-dol Lee is a 9-dan professional. 305 00:15:45,194 --> 00:15:48,739 Nine-dan professional is the highest rank that you can achieve in Go. 306 00:15:48,822 --> 00:15:50,240 The ranking system. 307 00:15:50,324 --> 00:15:54,161 Fan Hui, who is the European Champion, is just a 2-dan professional. 308 00:15:54,244 --> 00:15:58,791 On the other hand, at the very top, Se-dol Lee is a 9-dan professional. 309 00:15:58,874 --> 00:16:01,627 Se-dol Lee is to Go what Roger Federer is to tennis. 310 00:16:01,710 --> 00:16:03,879 He is playing in Wimbledon to win the Grand Slam. 311 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:06,024 And it's not just this year. He'll be there next year, 312 00:16:06,048 --> 00:16:08,258 and the year after that, and the year after that. 313 00:16:08,342 --> 00:16:10,302 Of course, the Internet, 314 00:16:10,386 --> 00:16:13,847 and all the Go community, everyone, 315 00:16:14,932 --> 00:16:19,311 maybe not 100%, maybe 99.999% 316 00:16:19,395 --> 00:16:22,940 think Se-dol Lee will win very easily. 317 00:16:23,565 --> 00:16:25,985 Teacher, I got stuck. 318 00:16:26,068 --> 00:16:27,361 How do I go from here? 319 00:16:29,863 --> 00:16:31,615 Good. Hold the stone properly. 320 00:16:31,699 --> 00:16:34,326 Place the stone nicely, not like that. 321 00:16:34,410 --> 00:16:36,412 And hold it nicely, like this. 322 00:16:37,746 --> 00:16:39,665 Go is taken seriously in Korea. 323 00:16:39,957 --> 00:16:43,210 It's so much part of the culture, like breathing, or, you know, 324 00:16:43,293 --> 00:16:45,796 like taking swimming lessons, or something. 325 00:16:46,505 --> 00:16:48,132 On the surface, it's a game, 326 00:16:48,215 --> 00:16:51,760 but inside, it has a very deep philosophy. 327 00:16:51,844 --> 00:16:55,514 The Go board reflects the individual who's playing. 328 00:16:55,597 --> 00:16:57,891 The truth is going to show itself on the board. 329 00:16:57,975 --> 00:16:59,560 You won't be able to hide it. 330 00:17:00,436 --> 00:17:03,689 In ancient China, Japan, Korea, 331 00:17:03,772 --> 00:17:07,693 Go is one of the four noble things, 332 00:17:07,776 --> 00:17:10,863 like four accomplishments for literati, 333 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,034 with music, poetry, and painting. 334 00:17:15,117 --> 00:17:18,746 So, people think the Go players 335 00:17:18,829 --> 00:17:21,415 are very smart and very noble. 336 00:17:21,498 --> 00:17:22,833 It's okay to lose, 337 00:17:22,916 --> 00:17:24,185 as long as you played your best. 338 00:17:24,209 --> 00:17:26,879 Bow to your opponent. 339 00:17:26,962 --> 00:17:29,339 Master Kwon started this school, 340 00:17:29,423 --> 00:17:31,258 so that he could produce 341 00:17:31,341 --> 00:17:32,885 great players in Korea. 342 00:17:33,427 --> 00:17:36,180 Se-dol Lee, when he was eight years old, 343 00:17:36,263 --> 00:17:38,557 he came in here, attending class, 344 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,810 9:00 a.m. until 9:00 p.m. for seven days. 345 00:17:41,894 --> 00:17:44,063 And then, he stayed with Master Kwon. 346 00:17:44,897 --> 00:17:47,024 I remember his round face 347 00:17:47,107 --> 00:17:49,359 and dark brown eyes. 348 00:17:49,985 --> 00:17:54,615 Since he came from an island, he easily drew attention. 349 00:17:55,115 --> 00:17:58,911 But unlike the other children, 350 00:17:58,994 --> 00:18:01,663 his eyes shone brightly. 351 00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:02,747 7TH WORLD GO CHAMPIONSHIP 352 00:18:02,790 --> 00:18:05,292 Se-dol Lee was a little boy 353 00:18:05,375 --> 00:18:08,837 that I remember when I was a student studying Go. 354 00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:14,343 He was very young and rural enough to think that pizza grew on trees. 355 00:18:15,844 --> 00:18:17,346 When I was young, 356 00:18:17,429 --> 00:18:19,848 I started playing Go because I thought it was fun 357 00:18:19,932 --> 00:18:21,600 to beat guys who were older than me. 358 00:18:21,683 --> 00:18:25,145 Since then, it has become a type of creation of mine. 359 00:18:25,687 --> 00:18:27,856 I want my style of Go to be something different, 360 00:18:27,940 --> 00:18:29,149 something new, 361 00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:31,819 my own thing. 362 00:18:33,654 --> 00:18:36,031 Something that no one has thought of before. 363 00:18:36,615 --> 00:18:38,742 Se-dol Lee plays things 364 00:18:38,826 --> 00:18:41,495 that are interesting, where you felt like 365 00:18:41,578 --> 00:18:42,955 he is beyond winning and losing. 366 00:18:43,038 --> 00:18:47,000 He wants to do something that's innovative or takes things to the next level. 367 00:18:47,084 --> 00:18:49,628 So every Go player studies his game for sure. 368 00:18:49,711 --> 00:18:50,921 21ST ASIAN TV CUP CHAMPIONSHIP 369 00:18:51,004 --> 00:18:53,799 Roughly for ten years, he dominated the professional Go world. 370 00:18:53,882 --> 00:18:55,968 He won 18 World Championships. 371 00:18:56,051 --> 00:18:57,302 Se-dol Lee 372 00:18:57,386 --> 00:18:59,054 is a genius of the century. 373 00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:01,449 2012 GO CHAMPIONSHIP AWARD CEREMONY AT GRAND CENTRAL HOTEL, CHINA 374 00:19:01,473 --> 00:19:05,394 Even when I look back now, I am proud of him. 375 00:19:05,477 --> 00:19:08,522 And I'm proud of myself, too. 376 00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:11,942 Definitely, Se-dol Lee is going to win the game, five all. 377 00:19:12,025 --> 00:19:13,425 IF YOU DESIRE TO WIN, YOU WILL LOSE 378 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:15,571 Yeah, all the games. 379 00:19:16,113 --> 00:19:17,531 He's going to win all the games. 380 00:19:18,699 --> 00:19:21,368 We had our evaluation match last week. 381 00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:23,579 We won a game, and we lost a game. 382 00:19:23,662 --> 00:19:24,788 And we lost a game in a way 383 00:19:24,872 --> 00:19:26,516 that would have made us look extremely foolish 384 00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:28,125 if that happened publicly. 385 00:19:28,917 --> 00:19:31,128 It means that we still have work to do, 386 00:19:31,211 --> 00:19:32,856 and we need to take this really seriously. 387 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,215 There's just too much risk that, actually, 388 00:19:35,299 --> 00:19:37,926 we could lose, overall. 389 00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:41,638 Not only that, but we could lose in a way that makes us look rather silly. 390 00:19:41,722 --> 00:19:43,307 - Yeah. - So, I guess, um... 391 00:19:43,849 --> 00:19:46,244 Yeah, Aja, did you want to say anything about what you're trying? 392 00:19:46,268 --> 00:19:47,644 I'm working hard. 393 00:19:51,356 --> 00:19:53,317 So, we're working round the clock at the moment, 394 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,027 training our algorithms further, 395 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:57,112 trying to incrementally keep on improving 396 00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:59,448 right up to the moment where we have the match. 397 00:19:59,531 --> 00:20:00,866 We have collected together 398 00:20:00,949 --> 00:20:03,452 people with different skill sets onto the same team. 399 00:20:03,535 --> 00:20:07,456 So we have researchers, engineers, valuation guys. 400 00:20:07,831 --> 00:20:09,809 But you mean what happens if that creates something new 401 00:20:09,833 --> 00:20:11,501 - which wasn't in heavy node? - Yeah. 402 00:20:12,044 --> 00:20:13,128 Then we don't see it. 403 00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:14,254 You'll see it. 404 00:20:14,338 --> 00:20:15,797 - Okay. - The first thing to know... 405 00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:17,483 I was thinking we have the perfect solution, 406 00:20:17,507 --> 00:20:19,218 - but it's not perfect. - Yeah. 407 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,431 Aja is the lead programmer, and built the original search engine. 408 00:20:24,514 --> 00:20:26,516 So Aja's responsibility is quite a big one. 409 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,144 He'll be the one sitting opposite Se-dol Lee 410 00:20:29,228 --> 00:20:32,606 and actually playing the moves AlphaGo makes. 411 00:20:32,689 --> 00:20:34,691 - I'm feeling excited. - Yeah? 412 00:20:36,401 --> 00:20:38,695 Se-dol Lee is a great player, 413 00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:42,199 and I feel honored to play with him. 414 00:20:42,866 --> 00:20:45,535 Many of my friends, they are very excited about the match. 415 00:20:45,619 --> 00:20:48,914 They keep telling me that the whole world is watching. 416 00:20:48,997 --> 00:20:51,083 "Just prepare AlphaGo." 417 00:20:51,541 --> 00:20:52,542 Hello. 418 00:20:52,626 --> 00:20:54,127 Hello, Demis. Can you hear us? 419 00:20:54,211 --> 00:20:55,504 Yes, I can hear you, guys. 420 00:20:55,587 --> 00:20:57,089 Can you hear me okay? 421 00:20:57,172 --> 00:20:58,507 Yes. Perfect. 422 00:20:58,590 --> 00:21:00,550 "I was curious to meet you, 423 00:21:00,634 --> 00:21:02,803 such an amazing developer 424 00:21:02,886 --> 00:21:04,846 who made AlphaGo. 425 00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:06,306 It's very nice to meet you." 426 00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:08,809 Thank you, thank you. Likewise. 427 00:21:08,892 --> 00:21:11,395 It's a real pleasure to meet you. 428 00:21:11,478 --> 00:21:14,147 I love the game of Go. I'm not very good, 429 00:21:14,231 --> 00:21:16,775 but I don't know if you know, 430 00:21:16,858 --> 00:21:19,111 but we actually have something in common. 431 00:21:19,194 --> 00:21:22,572 I actually also trained at a game at a young age. 432 00:21:22,656 --> 00:21:25,742 I used to be, when I was young, a professional chess player. 433 00:21:25,826 --> 00:21:27,744 He said that he was once 434 00:21:27,828 --> 00:21:28,888 a professional chess player. 435 00:21:28,912 --> 00:21:32,082 I used to play for the England team, 436 00:21:32,165 --> 00:21:36,086 and then I stopped playing when I was about 14. I was... 437 00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:39,506 When I was 13, I was the second highest-rated player in the world. 438 00:21:39,589 --> 00:21:40,924 "After the match, 439 00:21:41,008 --> 00:21:44,761 I would like to propose that I give you one teaching game of Go, 440 00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:47,347 and you give me one teaching game of chess." 441 00:21:47,431 --> 00:21:48,974 - Yeah. - "How does that sound?" 442 00:21:49,057 --> 00:21:52,561 That sounds very good. I would be very honored to do that. 443 00:21:52,644 --> 00:21:56,523 "I'm not sure if it's okay to ask you this question, 444 00:21:56,606 --> 00:21:59,192 but I saw the games against Fan Hui, 445 00:21:59,276 --> 00:22:03,447 and I didn't think it was quite at the level to play with me, 446 00:22:03,530 --> 00:22:06,700 but I heard that it is getting really stronger. 447 00:22:06,783 --> 00:22:10,287 Can I ask how much it got stronger since then?" 448 00:22:13,373 --> 00:22:16,585 Yeah. I can't say too much, of course, 449 00:22:16,668 --> 00:22:20,172 but it's definitely got significantly stronger. 450 00:22:21,757 --> 00:22:24,718 With more time, I think, a logical approach 451 00:22:24,801 --> 00:22:27,929 would be to follow up on Aja's local search, 452 00:22:28,013 --> 00:22:29,765 - run that fast in AlphaGo, - Right. 453 00:22:29,848 --> 00:22:31,325 - generate a whole new data set, - Exactly. 454 00:22:31,349 --> 00:22:33,018 - and iterate more time. - Yeah. 455 00:22:33,101 --> 00:22:35,812 But we're just out of time for that, so we have to be realistic. 456 00:22:35,896 --> 00:22:38,648 We realized that if we wanted to prepare 457 00:22:38,732 --> 00:22:42,069 for a mammoth task like taking on Se-dol Lee, 458 00:22:42,152 --> 00:22:45,405 there would be nothing better than talking to a professional. 459 00:22:45,489 --> 00:22:48,200 And we couldn't have picked a better person than Fan Hui. 460 00:22:51,661 --> 00:22:54,331 We invited him as an advisor 461 00:22:54,414 --> 00:22:58,126 because during the match, we realized he is a man of good spirit. 462 00:22:58,210 --> 00:22:59,961 - Welcome back. - Thank you very much. 463 00:23:00,045 --> 00:23:02,506 It's very precious that we have Fan Hui with us. 464 00:23:02,589 --> 00:23:03,757 Let's go down this way. 465 00:23:05,383 --> 00:23:07,302 He was crushed by AlphaGo, 466 00:23:07,385 --> 00:23:09,054 but then, he became very positive 467 00:23:09,137 --> 00:23:10,847 and was a big help to us. 468 00:23:11,973 --> 00:23:13,266 When Demis told me, 469 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:16,561 "Can you come back to help us make AlphaGo stronger?" 470 00:23:17,646 --> 00:23:19,189 I felt a sense of respect. 471 00:23:20,023 --> 00:23:22,025 Of course, I accepted it. 472 00:23:24,152 --> 00:23:26,029 I played with AlphaGo 473 00:23:26,113 --> 00:23:30,200 to understand what AlphaGo's strong points are 474 00:23:30,283 --> 00:23:33,411 and what may be its weakness. 475 00:23:34,329 --> 00:23:35,539 I played in the morning, 476 00:23:36,123 --> 00:23:37,207 in the afternoon, 477 00:23:38,333 --> 00:23:39,333 all the time. 478 00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:42,295 And I found something. 479 00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:46,258 I found AlphaGo's big weakness. 480 00:23:46,925 --> 00:23:48,135 It was a big one. 481 00:23:48,927 --> 00:23:50,345 The superheroes always have 482 00:23:50,428 --> 00:23:52,389 a hidden vulnerability, right? 483 00:23:52,472 --> 00:23:54,766 And the same is true for AlphaGo. 484 00:23:54,850 --> 00:23:59,146 It's unbelievably superhuman, in general, 485 00:23:59,229 --> 00:24:03,108 but it has some particular weaknesses in some situations. 486 00:24:03,191 --> 00:24:04,818 We can think of there being this space 487 00:24:04,901 --> 00:24:06,278 of all the things it knows about, 488 00:24:06,361 --> 00:24:08,572 and it knows about most of it extremely well. 489 00:24:08,655 --> 00:24:11,116 Then there will be these tricky lumps of knowledge, 490 00:24:11,199 --> 00:24:13,910 that it just understands very poorly. 491 00:24:13,994 --> 00:24:16,079 And it's really hard for us to characterize 492 00:24:16,163 --> 00:24:18,206 when it is going to enter into one of these lumps. 493 00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:20,542 But if it does, it can be completely delusional, 494 00:24:20,625 --> 00:24:22,520 thinking that it is alive on one part of the board 495 00:24:22,544 --> 00:24:24,546 when, in fact, it's dead or vice versa. 496 00:24:25,005 --> 00:24:27,716 So, there is a real risk that we could lose the match. 497 00:24:28,884 --> 00:24:30,552 Everybody in the team 498 00:24:30,635 --> 00:24:33,513 tried to work more and more to fix the problem, 499 00:24:33,597 --> 00:24:35,974 but I thought it was difficult 500 00:24:36,057 --> 00:24:37,934 for it to be fixed very quickly. 501 00:24:38,018 --> 00:24:40,520 We've got version 18 in the pipeline, haven't we? 502 00:24:41,062 --> 00:24:42,942 Well, we will only go for version 18 if it makes 503 00:24:43,023 --> 00:24:45,108 - a significant improvement which... - If it... Yes. 504 00:24:45,650 --> 00:24:49,112 We're having to rerun all the tests because they went wrong, unfortunately, 505 00:24:49,196 --> 00:24:52,782 so we're basically a day behind in our evaluation because of that. 506 00:24:53,325 --> 00:24:55,076 Well, maybe we just need to be realistic. 507 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,912 That we've tried a bunch of things, 508 00:24:56,995 --> 00:24:59,315 and we've come to the point where we said we would actually 509 00:24:59,372 --> 00:25:02,167 start freezing the code, and saying, 510 00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:03,293 "Look, it's... 511 00:25:04,419 --> 00:25:06,630 not... actually, not panning out." 512 00:25:07,047 --> 00:25:10,842 These delusions are still a realistic possibility for the match. 513 00:25:10,926 --> 00:25:12,510 We have some weaknesses 514 00:25:12,594 --> 00:25:17,265 that we... I don't think we are going to fix fully before the match, 515 00:25:17,349 --> 00:25:20,518 so that's causing us a little bit of anxiety. 516 00:25:26,441 --> 00:25:29,194 Se-dol Lee is getting ready to rumble. 517 00:25:29,277 --> 00:25:31,446 On Wednesday, live across the Internet, 518 00:25:31,529 --> 00:25:33,865 this professional South Korean Go player 519 00:25:33,949 --> 00:25:37,202 will take on artificial intelligence program AlphaGo. 520 00:25:37,285 --> 00:25:42,249 I am confident that I will win five to zero. 521 00:25:43,458 --> 00:25:46,503 Tomorrow, Julian and George, they pack up version 18, 522 00:25:46,586 --> 00:25:49,047 they stick it on a laptop, and they fly out to Seoul. 523 00:25:53,301 --> 00:25:54,803 - See you all in Korea. - Safe trip. 524 00:25:54,886 --> 00:25:56,246 - Have a safe trip. - See you, too. 525 00:26:07,983 --> 00:26:11,444 Is everything all set for the victory against Se-dol Lee? 526 00:26:11,528 --> 00:26:12,612 Everything is set, I think. 527 00:26:12,696 --> 00:26:15,615 But when I get to the hotel, I'm going to catch up with the team. 528 00:26:15,699 --> 00:26:17,367 What we should do in the time remaining 529 00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:21,579 is list things that could go wrong in the solidity of the system. 530 00:26:21,663 --> 00:26:25,041 We need somewhere to put AlphaGo under here. 531 00:26:25,125 --> 00:26:27,377 All right, rehearsal. Let's go, please, folks! 532 00:26:28,003 --> 00:26:29,379 Have you arranged the place 533 00:26:29,462 --> 00:26:30,922 for Se-dol Lee to smoke? 534 00:26:31,006 --> 00:26:33,166 When he is in a difficult situation, he likes to smoke. 535 00:26:33,216 --> 00:26:35,844 Yes, there is a terrace, and we will have security, 536 00:26:35,927 --> 00:26:38,013 so he will be able to go up there and be by himself. 537 00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:40,348 Which one do you support, 538 00:26:40,432 --> 00:26:42,142 Se-dol Lee or AlphaGo? 539 00:26:43,268 --> 00:26:44,853 I am in an awkward position. 540 00:26:44,936 --> 00:26:46,855 - As you can see, I am a referee. - I see. 541 00:26:46,938 --> 00:26:48,189 I am a referee. 542 00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:50,692 When I got here, 543 00:26:50,775 --> 00:26:52,485 I didn't expect the attention on the match. 544 00:26:52,569 --> 00:26:54,487 It was literally front-page news. 545 00:26:54,571 --> 00:26:57,866 About eight million Koreans play the game of Go, 546 00:26:57,949 --> 00:27:00,452 and, even those who don't, you know, recognize Se-dol Lee. 547 00:27:00,535 --> 00:27:02,037 He is a national figure. 548 00:27:02,704 --> 00:27:03,955 And so, there's that. Right? 549 00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:05,582 There's some national pride involved. 550 00:27:05,665 --> 00:27:07,167 But, it's more than that. 551 00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:11,713 Just the very thought of a machine playing a human in something like this, 552 00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:13,882 I think, is inherently intriguing to people. 553 00:27:14,883 --> 00:27:16,134 We can bring him in? 554 00:27:16,968 --> 00:27:18,219 Let's go in? Yes. 555 00:27:29,022 --> 00:27:31,483 I am confident about the match. 556 00:27:31,566 --> 00:27:35,987 I believe that human intuition is still too advanced 557 00:27:36,863 --> 00:27:40,825 for AI to have caught up. 558 00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:45,747 I'm going to do my best to protect human intelligence. 559 00:27:47,499 --> 00:27:49,834 The whole world put pressure 560 00:27:49,918 --> 00:27:51,086 to Se-dol Lee. 561 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,091 Before this, he played the tournament for his country, for himself. 562 00:27:56,674 --> 00:27:58,927 But this time, he's playing for the human race. 563 00:28:07,936 --> 00:28:09,896 I just really hope we win this first game. 564 00:28:09,979 --> 00:28:11,040 If you lose the first game, 565 00:28:11,064 --> 00:28:12,708 you literally have to win three out of four. 566 00:28:12,732 --> 00:28:13,732 Yeah, that's right. 567 00:28:13,775 --> 00:28:15,276 - Which is hard work. - Yeah. 568 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,400 Where are you going to be? 569 00:28:16,444 --> 00:28:17,838 - I'll start in the match room. - Okay. 570 00:28:17,862 --> 00:28:19,924 Then, I'm gonna come in here, make sure everything's fine. 571 00:28:19,948 --> 00:28:22,508 - Yeah, you should probably be in here. - Or something like that. 572 00:28:25,745 --> 00:28:28,039 - I know you're nervous. - Yeah, I'm nervous. 573 00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:29,874 I'm nervous. 574 00:28:31,334 --> 00:28:32,603 How are you? You're not nervous? 575 00:28:32,627 --> 00:28:34,212 - A bit. - Little bit, yeah? 576 00:28:34,295 --> 00:28:36,089 It's good to have a little bit of nerves. 577 00:28:38,133 --> 00:28:40,135 It should be fine. 578 00:28:41,219 --> 00:28:42,470 Be fine. Be fine. 579 00:28:42,971 --> 00:28:46,433 Hello, and welcome to the DeepMind Challenge, 580 00:28:46,516 --> 00:28:48,685 Game One, Round One, 581 00:28:48,768 --> 00:28:52,272 live from the Four Seasons here in Seoul, Korea. 582 00:28:52,355 --> 00:28:55,233 I'm Chris Garlock of The American Go E-Journal. 583 00:28:55,316 --> 00:28:58,445 I'm here with Michael Redmond, 9-dan professional. 584 00:28:58,528 --> 00:28:59,528 Welcome, Michael. 585 00:28:59,571 --> 00:29:03,700 Want to give a shout-out to all the folks watching around the world? 586 00:29:03,783 --> 00:29:06,453 Well, the excitement is pretty palpable here in the hotel. 587 00:29:06,536 --> 00:29:10,206 I've never seen a crush of interest of reporters from around the world. 588 00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:12,050 - The cameras... - The media is overwhelming. 589 00:29:12,125 --> 00:29:13,918 I am not sure how much AlphaGo 590 00:29:14,002 --> 00:29:17,714 has changed in the last five months. 591 00:29:17,797 --> 00:29:20,216 All right, folks. You're here, you're gonna see history made. 592 00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:21,300 Stay with us. 593 00:29:21,468 --> 00:29:24,262 Five minutes, guys. Five minutes. 594 00:29:29,851 --> 00:29:32,645 Please don't push. 595 00:29:32,729 --> 00:29:34,272 I just thought we should 596 00:29:34,355 --> 00:29:39,819 take a moment together and just think about what is about to happen. 597 00:29:39,903 --> 00:29:41,488 I'm extremely excited to be here. 598 00:29:41,571 --> 00:29:44,574 Extremely proud of every one of you and what we have done. 599 00:29:44,657 --> 00:29:47,160 And, win or loss, I think it is just amazing that we're here. 600 00:29:47,243 --> 00:29:49,621 Isn't it strange your dad 601 00:29:49,704 --> 00:29:50,904 is fighting against a machine? 602 00:29:52,373 --> 00:29:54,876 I would like it if the machine 603 00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:56,795 did not beat a human in Go yet. 604 00:29:59,005 --> 00:30:00,173 One minute left. 605 00:30:45,176 --> 00:30:48,304 Five, four, three, two, one. 606 00:30:53,977 --> 00:30:55,436 The match will be 607 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,689 in Chinese rules, 7.5 points komi. 608 00:30:57,981 --> 00:31:01,192 The time limit is two hours, and 60 seconds times three. 609 00:31:24,132 --> 00:31:25,842 Please choose the stone. 610 00:31:27,176 --> 00:31:29,262 Se-dol Lee, 9 dan, what have you chosen? 611 00:31:30,555 --> 00:31:31,555 Black. 612 00:31:32,348 --> 00:31:34,142 Please start the game. 613 00:31:59,042 --> 00:32:00,543 We had worked so hard 614 00:32:00,627 --> 00:32:04,380 to make sure that this would go technically smoothly. 615 00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:07,342 We tested it and tested it and tested it. 616 00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:12,639 And still, there comes that moment when you're live, 617 00:32:12,722 --> 00:32:15,850 all the TV cameras are broadcasting everything, 618 00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:19,062 and now it has to do the thing you built it to do. 619 00:32:20,521 --> 00:32:22,732 AlphaGo is even considering 620 00:32:22,815 --> 00:32:24,317 what to do from the first step. 621 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,486 If you look at the time closely, 622 00:32:26,569 --> 00:32:27,963 - it has been over 30 seconds. - Yes. 623 00:32:27,987 --> 00:32:30,156 AlphaGo is thinking too long at the second move. 624 00:32:30,239 --> 00:32:31,239 Yes. 625 00:33:08,695 --> 00:33:10,363 I was a bit nervous. 626 00:33:10,446 --> 00:33:15,535 It's the first time that I sat in front of a world-class Go player. 627 00:33:16,369 --> 00:33:19,580 And I actually felt the spirit and courtesy 628 00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:22,250 of a great Go player like Se-dol Lee. 629 00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:25,670 Because I think it was the first time he faced 630 00:33:25,753 --> 00:33:27,463 a strange opponent, I think. 631 00:33:27,547 --> 00:33:30,967 It is non-human, has no emotion, it's cold. 632 00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:33,511 But he stayed very calm. 633 00:33:34,095 --> 00:33:37,432 And I can feel his mental strength. 634 00:33:50,903 --> 00:33:51,946 Oh. 635 00:33:52,071 --> 00:33:53,573 AlphaGo peeped. 636 00:33:54,615 --> 00:33:56,701 It's unbelievable. 637 00:33:57,493 --> 00:33:59,829 This is the first time 638 00:33:59,912 --> 00:34:01,748 I am seeing AlphaGo making a move like this. 639 00:34:01,831 --> 00:34:04,417 It feels like AlphaGo is playing like a human. 640 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:05,626 I'm Andrew Jackson. 641 00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:09,297 With me here is Myung-wan Kim, a 9-dan pro from the Korean Baduk Association. 642 00:34:09,380 --> 00:34:11,799 We are here live at the Four Seasons Hotel 643 00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:12,967 on the 21st floor. 644 00:34:13,176 --> 00:34:15,136 What are we looking at? How's the game going? 645 00:34:16,387 --> 00:34:18,347 Oh, it's fighting from the beginning. 646 00:34:18,431 --> 00:34:20,516 - From the very beginning? - Yeah, yeah. 647 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,019 - AlphaGo is playing very well. - Yeah? 648 00:34:23,102 --> 00:34:26,481 - It's just like a top professional. - Just like a top professional? 649 00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:28,316 Yeah, it's very aggressive. 650 00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:31,736 - It blocked! - Did it block? 651 00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:34,781 How dare he disconnect it? 652 00:34:35,448 --> 00:34:37,909 This can't be right. 653 00:34:37,992 --> 00:34:40,203 Now, the fight is getting really complicated. 654 00:34:40,286 --> 00:34:43,372 Um, this is actually the first time I have seen AlphaGo 655 00:34:43,998 --> 00:34:47,335 playing a game that has this difficult fight. 656 00:34:52,048 --> 00:34:53,466 This could make 657 00:34:53,549 --> 00:34:54,884 Se-dol Lee nervous. 658 00:34:55,343 --> 00:34:58,221 Because AlphaGo uses one minute to 1.5 minutes in any situation. 659 00:34:59,013 --> 00:35:02,558 This action is not like a human at all. 660 00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:05,520 No matter how complex you make the game, 661 00:35:05,603 --> 00:35:07,483 AlphaGo plays as if it knows everything already. 662 00:35:09,899 --> 00:35:12,235 I just saw him looking at his opponent's face. 663 00:35:12,485 --> 00:35:15,363 - And that's just kind of a habit. - It's just an instinct, 664 00:35:15,571 --> 00:35:17,549 as a player, to look at the person across from you. 665 00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:21,661 Yeah, it's sort of something that Se-dol Lee would do 666 00:35:21,744 --> 00:35:23,871 when he was wondering how his opponent was feeling. 667 00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:25,957 - Right. - It's just a habit. 668 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,544 So, it's not as if Aja Huang is going to do any giveaway 669 00:35:29,627 --> 00:35:32,505 - because Aja Huang isn't AlphaGo, right? - Right. Right. 670 00:35:41,472 --> 00:35:42,682 He almost made a move. 671 00:35:42,765 --> 00:35:44,433 Lee smiled for a second. 672 00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:46,727 - No. That's... - I guess Lee is mistaken? 673 00:35:46,811 --> 00:35:48,980 He was about to make a move that makes no sense. 674 00:35:49,063 --> 00:35:51,065 - Here is the... - What is he doing? 675 00:35:52,275 --> 00:35:54,586 If he had put his stone there, he would have lost the game today. 676 00:35:54,610 --> 00:35:57,405 - He was trying to place it here, - His hand... 677 00:35:57,488 --> 00:35:59,365 but he moved his hand there without thinking. 678 00:35:59,448 --> 00:36:01,701 - He has so many things to ponder. - Well, I think... 679 00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:04,745 He is exhausted now. 680 00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:06,414 - I think... - Well... 681 00:36:07,331 --> 00:36:08,583 He looks a little panicked. 682 00:36:10,418 --> 00:36:13,588 This is the thing we were most afraid of. 683 00:36:13,671 --> 00:36:14,671 Yes. 684 00:36:14,714 --> 00:36:16,299 - Self-doubt. - Self-doubt. 685 00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:30,146 With a human, when you play, 686 00:36:30,229 --> 00:36:32,523 you can have an exchange, by feeling. 687 00:36:33,149 --> 00:36:36,986 I look at you. I know that, okay, maybe you want to talk with me. 688 00:36:37,403 --> 00:36:38,988 Maybe you fear me. 689 00:36:39,071 --> 00:36:40,781 I can feel many, many things. 690 00:36:40,865 --> 00:36:43,659 But with AlphaGo, you can feel nothing. 691 00:36:45,077 --> 00:36:47,914 So, when you feel nothing when you play, 692 00:36:47,997 --> 00:36:50,791 you have more questions to yourself. 693 00:36:51,417 --> 00:36:53,586 In the beginning, you think, "Okay, my move was good. 694 00:36:53,669 --> 00:36:56,589 Is it really good? Really good? 695 00:36:56,923 --> 00:36:57,924 Oh, maybe it's bad. 696 00:36:58,007 --> 00:36:59,258 Oh, terrible! 697 00:36:59,342 --> 00:37:00,676 Why did I put it here?" 698 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:01,886 More and more. 699 00:37:02,929 --> 00:37:04,263 It's hard to know where to be. 700 00:37:04,347 --> 00:37:06,617 All the different rooms are like exciting in different ways. 701 00:37:06,641 --> 00:37:08,309 Mm-hm. Right. 702 00:37:08,392 --> 00:37:11,145 It's quite nice to be here at the heart of the operation. 703 00:37:11,229 --> 00:37:12,813 Yeah, I feel safe here. 704 00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:16,943 White is thinking of doing this huge invasion here 705 00:37:17,026 --> 00:37:18,069 from its thick wall. 706 00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:20,154 Yes, go for it. 707 00:37:20,905 --> 00:37:23,074 Stone in. He's going in. 708 00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:25,251 - Look at his face. Look at his face. - Yeah. 709 00:37:26,953 --> 00:37:28,454 That is not a confident face. 710 00:37:28,829 --> 00:37:31,082 He's pretty horrified by that. 711 00:37:31,624 --> 00:37:34,210 I can't believe what I'm seeing right now. 712 00:37:34,293 --> 00:37:35,503 Really... 713 00:37:35,962 --> 00:37:39,298 - Se-dol, he's a little bit behind. - Mm-hm. 714 00:37:39,382 --> 00:37:41,592 - And he made a very aggressive move here. - Okay. 715 00:37:41,676 --> 00:37:43,052 And made it very complicated. 716 00:37:43,135 --> 00:37:44,804 - Okay. - I think Se-dol Lee, 717 00:37:44,887 --> 00:37:47,306 - if he doesn't respond correctly, - Uh-huh. 718 00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:49,267 then he can collapse. 719 00:37:50,977 --> 00:37:55,106 I mean, this is kind of unthinkable as a human Go player. 720 00:37:55,564 --> 00:37:57,441 What if it knows everything 721 00:37:57,525 --> 00:37:59,193 about what's going to happen next? 722 00:37:59,277 --> 00:38:00,194 Where are we? 723 00:38:00,278 --> 00:38:04,532 Here's our search depth, we're searching, 50 or 60 moves ahead. 724 00:38:05,074 --> 00:38:07,368 That's the maximum number of moves ahead 725 00:38:07,451 --> 00:38:10,871 that AlphaGo is looking from the current game position. 726 00:38:10,955 --> 00:38:15,209 It's typically over 50. It's often over 60. 727 00:38:16,043 --> 00:38:19,630 In the games we have seen, often around move 150, 728 00:38:19,714 --> 00:38:21,215 AlphaGo goes for the kill. 729 00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:24,719 We are at move 150 now, so we are getting to that tactical point. 730 00:38:28,347 --> 00:38:30,057 We are all astonished, 731 00:38:30,725 --> 00:38:35,354 just in the middle of the game because AlphaGo is, uh... 732 00:38:35,438 --> 00:38:38,941 It seems to be doing a much better job than we all thought it would. 733 00:38:39,442 --> 00:38:43,946 I thought Se-dol Lee would be leading the game comfortably, 734 00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:46,949 but it turned out that he's struggling at the moment. 735 00:38:47,283 --> 00:38:50,578 But, I think, eventually, he will prevail. I hope. 736 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,123 I was, you know, more five to zero, 737 00:38:55,041 --> 00:38:57,543 but now, I'm not sure about that. 738 00:39:01,881 --> 00:39:03,215 What is this? 739 00:39:03,674 --> 00:39:04,967 AlphaGo made a mistake. 740 00:39:06,052 --> 00:39:07,172 AlphaGo made a mistake here. 741 00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:09,096 What a mistake. 742 00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:11,265 It might be the first mistake, 743 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,227 kind of a clear mistake that white made. 744 00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:19,523 AlphaGo is making mistakes at the endgame from time to time. 745 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:23,402 If AlphaGo wins by a small difference in the end, 746 00:39:23,861 --> 00:39:26,572 it is possible that it played just enough to win. 747 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,367 The reason I stopped talking a minute ago 748 00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:32,370 was that according to my count, AlphaGo may have more points. 749 00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:35,539 I didn't tell you because I couldn't believe it. 750 00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:37,208 It seems like a mistake, 751 00:39:37,291 --> 00:39:39,728 but because it's based on calculation, it's actually not a mistake. 752 00:39:39,752 --> 00:39:40,878 Yes, yes. 753 00:39:41,253 --> 00:39:43,589 So if it's actually based on calculation... 754 00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:46,717 it is so scary. 755 00:39:46,801 --> 00:39:50,137 It means it's just playing with its opponent. 756 00:39:50,221 --> 00:39:52,061 Myung-wan, it looks like you have got to count. 757 00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:53,474 Yeah, right. 758 00:39:53,557 --> 00:39:55,935 - What do you think? Yeah. - It's done. Yes. 759 00:39:56,018 --> 00:39:58,396 White won a lot at this time. It looks like it. 760 00:39:58,479 --> 00:40:00,272 If it's like this, white has won by a lot. 761 00:40:00,356 --> 00:40:01,190 Yeah. 762 00:40:01,273 --> 00:40:02,900 Two, three. I can't believe it. 763 00:40:03,317 --> 00:40:06,112 Thirty-six, thirty-seven... 764 00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:07,196 Seventy-two. 765 00:40:08,781 --> 00:40:09,949 He lost. 766 00:40:11,367 --> 00:40:12,368 He lost. 767 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,829 Whoa, it's so shocking. 768 00:40:14,912 --> 00:40:18,916 I... I expected AlphaGo to win only one game. 769 00:40:24,296 --> 00:40:25,297 Oh, gosh. 770 00:40:32,596 --> 00:40:36,267 I can feel his pain. Like he was... 771 00:40:36,350 --> 00:40:39,103 He couldn't believe, you know. He couldn't accept it. 772 00:40:39,186 --> 00:40:42,648 It took him some time to accept the outcome. 773 00:40:44,733 --> 00:40:47,194 Maybe AlphaGo is very strong now, 774 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:49,989 but he did not want to believe he will lose. 775 00:40:50,573 --> 00:40:52,199 And as Go professional players, 776 00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:54,160 we can't believe this, 777 00:40:54,243 --> 00:40:59,206 because, for us, it's something unimaginable. 778 00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:02,543 It's not something that can happen now. It's impossible. 779 00:41:03,085 --> 00:41:04,879 But, in reality... 780 00:41:05,671 --> 00:41:06,714 it is happening now. 781 00:41:08,257 --> 00:41:10,759 I think he resigned in a very polite way. 782 00:41:11,677 --> 00:41:14,305 Se-dol Lee plays black, but he put a white stone. 783 00:41:22,855 --> 00:41:24,190 I think he resigned. 784 00:41:26,484 --> 00:41:27,526 Oh, my gosh. 785 00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:31,322 - Look at the time. It's slow. - Yeah. 786 00:41:31,405 --> 00:41:32,448 Wow. 787 00:41:40,581 --> 00:41:41,581 You got this. 788 00:41:42,166 --> 00:41:43,834 - Congratulations. - Hey. 789 00:41:44,126 --> 00:41:45,126 What's up? 790 00:41:46,504 --> 00:41:51,008 I feel really good. I feel like I really believe in AlphaGo. 791 00:41:51,717 --> 00:41:54,136 Of course, it's natural that humans want humans to win. 792 00:41:54,220 --> 00:41:56,180 I mean, I think that's a natural response. 793 00:41:56,263 --> 00:41:58,015 But AlphaGo is human-created, 794 00:41:58,098 --> 00:42:01,602 and I think that's the ultimate sign of human ingenuity and cleverness. 795 00:42:01,977 --> 00:42:03,812 Everything that AlphaGo does, 796 00:42:03,896 --> 00:42:07,983 it does, because a human has either created the data that it learns from, 797 00:42:08,067 --> 00:42:10,903 created the learning algorithm that learns from that data, 798 00:42:10,986 --> 00:42:12,446 created the search algorithm. 799 00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:15,574 All of these things have come from humans. 800 00:42:15,658 --> 00:42:18,536 So, really, this is a human endeavor. 801 00:42:33,092 --> 00:42:35,261 In the battle between man versus machine, 802 00:42:35,344 --> 00:42:36,929 a computer just came out the victor. 803 00:42:37,012 --> 00:42:39,765 DeepMind put its computer program to the test 804 00:42:39,848 --> 00:42:42,643 against one of the brightest minds in the world and won. 805 00:42:42,726 --> 00:42:45,020 AlphaGo beat a professional player 806 00:42:45,104 --> 00:42:48,482 who has 18 Go World Championships under his belt. 807 00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:52,194 The victory is considered a breakthrough in artificial intelligence. 808 00:42:54,196 --> 00:42:56,323 First of all, 809 00:42:56,407 --> 00:42:58,093 I would have to say that I was very surprised, 810 00:42:58,117 --> 00:43:01,620 because I didn't think that I would lose the game. 811 00:43:02,705 --> 00:43:05,457 I think the mistakes I made in the beginning 812 00:43:05,541 --> 00:43:07,376 lasted until the very end. 813 00:43:07,459 --> 00:43:09,420 That's why I lost this game. 814 00:43:09,795 --> 00:43:12,006 I wasn't able to foresee. 815 00:43:12,089 --> 00:43:15,593 I didn't think that AlphaGo would play the game in such a perfect manner. 816 00:43:15,676 --> 00:43:21,974 I have won world championship titles and have a lot of experience, 817 00:43:22,057 --> 00:43:27,229 so losing one game won't affect me in playing games in the future. 818 00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:31,483 I think now it's 50/50. 819 00:43:31,984 --> 00:43:37,197 I would like to express my respect to the team 820 00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:41,744 for developing such an amazing program 821 00:43:41,827 --> 00:43:43,454 like AlphaGo. 822 00:43:45,664 --> 00:43:46,790 In research, 823 00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:49,710 we normally work to produce an academic paper. 824 00:43:49,793 --> 00:43:51,813 It gets published, and maybe we get to talk about it 825 00:43:51,837 --> 00:43:53,297 in a conference if we're lucky. 826 00:43:55,215 --> 00:43:57,092 This is not normal for a research. 827 00:43:57,176 --> 00:44:01,764 In fact, I've never experienced any media attention remotely close to this. 828 00:44:01,847 --> 00:44:06,101 So, it's a special moment for us all, and we're just enjoying it while it lasts. 829 00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:14,818 In a matchup between man and machine, who wins? 830 00:44:14,902 --> 00:44:16,612 So far, it's the machine. 831 00:44:16,695 --> 00:44:20,324 In Seoul, South Korea, the artificially intelligent computer 832 00:44:20,407 --> 00:44:25,162 defeated the global champion in the ancient Chinese board game Go. 833 00:44:25,245 --> 00:44:26,514 AlphaGo Shock AI Shocked the World 834 00:44:26,538 --> 00:44:30,000 Se-dol Lee lost the first matchup, but he's got four more chances. 835 00:44:30,376 --> 00:44:31,669 This is the team 836 00:44:31,752 --> 00:44:35,255 that played Go with Se-dol Lee. 837 00:44:35,339 --> 00:44:36,840 We got our newspapers. 838 00:44:36,924 --> 00:44:39,284 But we are not responsible. It's just the man in the beanie. 839 00:44:42,221 --> 00:44:43,055 Sorry. 840 00:44:43,138 --> 00:44:45,182 AI Defeats Human Brain 841 00:44:45,265 --> 00:44:47,309 It is a bit strange being on the front cover 842 00:44:47,393 --> 00:44:49,478 and everything as a computer scientist. 843 00:44:49,561 --> 00:44:51,939 Normally, you sit there in your corner and you code. 844 00:44:52,022 --> 00:44:53,649 Nobody really knows about it. 845 00:44:53,732 --> 00:44:54,918 Perhaps you've heard the joke, 846 00:44:54,942 --> 00:44:57,069 "How can you tell that a computer scientist 847 00:44:57,152 --> 00:44:59,405 is an extrovert and not an introvert?" 848 00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:02,241 If he's an extrovert, he looks at your shoes 849 00:45:02,324 --> 00:45:04,535 when he's talking to you, instead of at his own. 850 00:45:06,412 --> 00:45:10,916 If you look at Aja, he avoids all the cameras like crazy. 851 00:45:11,250 --> 00:45:14,253 He's like, the game is finished, and he's, like, out the back, 852 00:45:14,336 --> 00:45:15,921 and back in his room. 853 00:45:16,672 --> 00:45:20,175 And I think a lot of computer scientists would be like that. 854 00:45:20,676 --> 00:45:24,179 We are more about doing our work than standing in the spotlight. 855 00:45:25,848 --> 00:45:29,810 Hello, and welcome to Game Two, Round Two, 856 00:45:29,893 --> 00:45:32,438 in the Google DeepMind Challenge 857 00:45:32,521 --> 00:45:35,315 throwdown between man and machine. 858 00:45:35,607 --> 00:45:39,111 Game One, the machine takes down man. 859 00:45:39,445 --> 00:45:42,573 Huge shock. Headlines around the world. 860 00:45:42,656 --> 00:45:46,702 The reactions on the ground here from the folks in Korea were just stunned. 861 00:45:46,785 --> 00:45:50,289 They estimate 60 million people watched the game in China alone. 862 00:45:50,372 --> 00:45:52,708 Probably bringing it up to maybe 80 million people 863 00:45:52,791 --> 00:45:54,126 who watched this game worldwide. 864 00:45:54,209 --> 00:45:55,711 It was just incredible. 865 00:45:55,794 --> 00:45:59,381 And if anything, today is probably even more of a madhouse. 866 00:46:00,048 --> 00:46:01,550 So, Se-dol Lee knows today. 867 00:46:01,633 --> 00:46:04,261 He knows that this is just a really important game. Right? 868 00:46:04,344 --> 00:46:05,344 He has got to win. 869 00:46:09,725 --> 00:46:11,643 Go, Se-dol Lee! 870 00:46:11,727 --> 00:46:12,895 Fighting! 871 00:46:14,104 --> 00:46:15,606 Can you tell what Lee 872 00:46:15,689 --> 00:46:17,000 is thinking by looking at his face? 873 00:46:17,024 --> 00:46:17,858 Does he seem nervous? 874 00:46:17,941 --> 00:46:20,360 Yes. Lee seems to be very tense. 875 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,531 My guess is that he didn't sleep well last night. 876 00:46:24,615 --> 00:46:26,783 Se-dol Lee on white, 877 00:46:26,867 --> 00:46:30,037 I think probably looking for a little payback. 878 00:46:30,454 --> 00:46:33,707 My impression is that maybe he underestimated AlphaGo, 879 00:46:33,790 --> 00:46:35,459 and he is going to change his tactics. 880 00:46:37,711 --> 00:46:40,339 Se-dol Lee is playing much, much slower today. 881 00:46:40,422 --> 00:46:41,298 Yeah. 882 00:46:41,381 --> 00:46:42,925 - Which is going to affect us. - Yes. 883 00:46:43,342 --> 00:46:44,982 He's playing at half the speed, actually. 884 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,846 It is hard to say who is ahead 885 00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:49,097 or better now. 886 00:46:49,181 --> 00:46:53,310 The last two moves make me doubt AlphaGo's ability. 887 00:46:53,393 --> 00:46:56,104 - But we have to stay alert. - Yes. 888 00:46:56,188 --> 00:46:58,469 - Yes. This is difficult. - AlphaGo is hard to understand. 889 00:46:58,524 --> 00:47:00,400 If I see anything about AlphaGo 890 00:47:00,484 --> 00:47:03,445 that is not normal, is maybe the way it handles a game 891 00:47:03,529 --> 00:47:05,822 - when it thinks it is ahead. - Yes. 892 00:47:05,906 --> 00:47:08,325 We're actually going to have a visit from one of the team, 893 00:47:08,408 --> 00:47:10,994 and we will talk about exactly that point from the inside. 894 00:47:11,078 --> 00:47:12,538 Thanks so much for coming by, Thore. 895 00:47:12,621 --> 00:47:13,705 I really appreciate it. 896 00:47:13,914 --> 00:47:18,418 Can you sort of share a bit of what is going on in AlphaGo? 897 00:47:18,502 --> 00:47:21,797 So, AlphaGo has these three main components. 898 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,757 There's the policy network, 899 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,720 which was trained on high-level games to imitate those players. 900 00:47:29,221 --> 00:47:33,058 And then, we have a second component. We call this the value net. 901 00:47:33,141 --> 00:47:35,686 And it can evaluate the board position 902 00:47:35,769 --> 00:47:39,773 and say what is the probability of winning in this particular position. 903 00:47:40,107 --> 00:47:42,985 And the third component is the tree search, 904 00:47:43,068 --> 00:47:46,780 where it would look through different variations of the game 905 00:47:46,863 --> 00:47:49,449 and try to figure out what will happen in the future. 906 00:47:52,744 --> 00:47:54,913 So if we now take a position like this, 907 00:47:55,455 --> 00:47:58,875 first, the policy network would scan the position 908 00:47:59,209 --> 00:48:03,839 and come up with what would be the interesting spots to play, 909 00:48:04,339 --> 00:48:07,259 and it builds up a tree of variations. 910 00:48:07,342 --> 00:48:10,053 And then employs this value net 911 00:48:10,137 --> 00:48:14,975 that tells it how promising is the outcome of this particular variation. 912 00:48:17,603 --> 00:48:22,274 So, AlphaGo tries to maximize its probability of winning, 913 00:48:22,691 --> 00:48:26,445 but it doesn't care at all about the margin by which it wins. 914 00:48:26,528 --> 00:48:28,655 Okay, so when you see a slow-looking move, 915 00:48:28,739 --> 00:48:32,409 that's maybe an indication that AlphaGo thinks it has a good chance to win. 916 00:48:32,492 --> 00:48:35,120 - Yeah, that is a little giveaway. - Yeah. 917 00:48:35,203 --> 00:48:37,323 - A little tell. We're looking for a tell. - Oh, yeah. 918 00:48:37,372 --> 00:48:39,333 Se-dol Lee is playing 919 00:48:39,416 --> 00:48:41,877 in a completely different style from his usual style. 920 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:47,049 This is a historic moment and Se-dol Lee is the center of attention. 921 00:48:47,132 --> 00:48:49,468 He must be feeling immense pressure. 922 00:48:49,551 --> 00:48:54,264 I hope he gets over this pressure and enjoys the match. 923 00:49:07,152 --> 00:49:08,904 Ooh, it looks like Lee 924 00:49:08,987 --> 00:49:10,347 is taking a little bit of a break. 925 00:49:28,632 --> 00:49:30,342 Se-dol Lee goes to smoke, 926 00:49:30,842 --> 00:49:32,427 and AlphaGo just plays. 927 00:49:32,511 --> 00:49:35,472 It does not think about whether the opponent will be there or not. 928 00:49:35,889 --> 00:49:39,685 So, Aja sees AlphaGo plays move 37, 929 00:49:40,477 --> 00:49:42,604 and Aja puts the stone on the board. 930 00:49:44,648 --> 00:49:46,149 - Oh. - Oh, wow. 931 00:49:48,193 --> 00:49:50,278 - Oh, it's totally an unthinkable move. - Yes. 932 00:49:50,987 --> 00:49:52,114 The value... 933 00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:56,702 That's a very... That's a very surprising move. 934 00:49:56,785 --> 00:49:59,996 I thought it was a mistake. 935 00:50:01,331 --> 00:50:04,710 When I saw this move, for me, it was just a big shock. 936 00:50:04,793 --> 00:50:05,793 What? 937 00:50:06,628 --> 00:50:08,422 Normally, humans will never play this one 938 00:50:08,505 --> 00:50:10,048 because it's bad. 939 00:50:11,299 --> 00:50:13,019 It is just bad. We don't know why, it's bad. 940 00:50:13,593 --> 00:50:15,220 It is a little bit high. 941 00:50:15,512 --> 00:50:16,388 Yeah? 942 00:50:16,471 --> 00:50:17,764 It's the fifth line. 943 00:50:17,848 --> 00:50:20,267 Normally, you don't make a shoulder hit on the fifth line. 944 00:50:20,851 --> 00:50:24,146 So, coming on top of a fourth line zone is really unusual. 945 00:50:24,646 --> 00:50:26,273 Yeah, that's an exciting move. 946 00:50:26,356 --> 00:50:29,067 I think we are seeing an original move here. 947 00:50:29,735 --> 00:50:34,114 That is the kind of move that you play Go for. 948 00:50:35,657 --> 00:50:36,657 Hey. 949 00:50:38,785 --> 00:50:40,203 Interesting stuff. 950 00:50:40,287 --> 00:50:42,831 - This fifth line shoulder hit was good. - Yeah. 951 00:50:42,914 --> 00:50:44,249 And I wasn't expecting that. 952 00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:48,128 I don't really know if it's a good or bad move at this point. 953 00:50:48,211 --> 00:50:51,673 The professional commentators almost unanimously said 954 00:50:51,757 --> 00:50:54,926 that not a single human player would have chosen move 37. 955 00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:57,554 So, I actually had a poke around in AlphaGo 956 00:50:57,637 --> 00:50:59,389 to see what AlphaGo thought. 957 00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:02,684 And AlphaGo actually agreed with that assessment. 958 00:51:03,226 --> 00:51:06,521 AlphaGo said there was a 1-in-10,000 probability 959 00:51:06,605 --> 00:51:10,108 that move 37 would have been played by a human player. 960 00:51:10,192 --> 00:51:12,611 So it knew that this was an extremely unlikely move. 961 00:51:12,694 --> 00:51:15,739 It went beyond its human guide, 962 00:51:15,822 --> 00:51:19,034 and it came up with something new and creative and different. 963 00:51:19,993 --> 00:51:24,748 I am very much watching the game through these commentators. 964 00:51:24,831 --> 00:51:25,957 That is the way it works. 965 00:51:26,041 --> 00:51:28,418 So when they are confused, I'm certainly confused. 966 00:51:28,502 --> 00:51:30,262 At the same time, I'm latching on to the fact 967 00:51:30,337 --> 00:51:31,922 that they are confused, right? 968 00:51:32,005 --> 00:51:33,924 That is an interesting moment. 969 00:51:34,007 --> 00:51:36,676 When everyone else is confused, who is not confused, right, 970 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:37,761 besides the machine? 971 00:51:42,182 --> 00:51:45,769 I want to see Se-dol Lee when he sees this move. 972 00:51:50,982 --> 00:51:52,651 He is back. Lee is back. 973 00:52:14,881 --> 00:52:16,383 I thought AlphaGo 974 00:52:16,466 --> 00:52:19,177 was based on probability calculation 975 00:52:19,761 --> 00:52:23,682 and that it was merely a machine. 976 00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:26,184 But when I saw this move, I changed my mind. 977 00:52:27,352 --> 00:52:29,104 Surely, AlphaGo is creative. 978 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:36,528 This move was really creative and beautiful. 979 00:52:39,781 --> 00:52:41,116 Normally, he thinks 980 00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:43,243 for about one or two minutes not more than that. 981 00:52:43,326 --> 00:52:46,371 But this time, he thought for more than 12 minutes. 982 00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:59,050 The more I look at this move, I feel something changed. 983 00:53:00,677 --> 00:53:03,471 Maybe, for humans, we think it is bad, 984 00:53:03,555 --> 00:53:05,682 but for AlphaGo, why not? 985 00:53:06,683 --> 00:53:08,184 Go is like geopolitics, 986 00:53:08,268 --> 00:53:10,061 like something small that happens here, 987 00:53:10,145 --> 00:53:11,396 it can have a ripple effect, 988 00:53:11,938 --> 00:53:15,483 you know, hours down the road in a different part of the board. 989 00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:18,945 The game kind of turned on its axis at that moment. 990 00:53:19,654 --> 00:53:21,448 This move was very special, 991 00:53:21,531 --> 00:53:22,824 because with this move, 992 00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:25,243 all the stones played before 993 00:53:25,327 --> 00:53:26,411 worked together. 994 00:53:26,494 --> 00:53:27,704 It was connected. 995 00:53:27,787 --> 00:53:30,123 It looked like a network, linked everywhere. 996 00:53:30,582 --> 00:53:31,791 It was very special. 997 00:53:32,250 --> 00:53:33,335 Very special. 998 00:53:34,794 --> 00:53:36,504 This move made me think 999 00:53:36,588 --> 00:53:39,799 about Go in a new light. 1000 00:53:40,675 --> 00:53:44,763 What does creativity mean in Go? 1001 00:53:45,555 --> 00:53:47,766 It was a really meaningful move. 1002 00:53:50,769 --> 00:53:52,270 This is a tough game 1003 00:53:52,354 --> 00:53:53,229 for Se-dol Lee. 1004 00:53:53,313 --> 00:53:55,690 AlphaGo is just not letting Se-dol Lee 1005 00:53:55,774 --> 00:53:57,025 - do what he wants. - Right. 1006 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,070 Black has almost 60 points. That's a lot. 1007 00:54:00,612 --> 00:54:01,988 That's not a good sign. 1008 00:54:02,614 --> 00:54:04,032 Oh. Oh. 1009 00:54:04,115 --> 00:54:06,701 Se-dol Lee just slapped himself on the side of the head. 1010 00:54:07,827 --> 00:54:08,954 Oh, wow. 1011 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,665 I think black is ahead at this point. 1012 00:54:12,999 --> 00:54:15,210 It's looking good, isn't it? We're on that steady... 1013 00:54:16,086 --> 00:54:17,420 steady path now. 1014 00:54:19,172 --> 00:54:21,132 I just saw Se-dol Lee... 1015 00:54:22,092 --> 00:54:23,635 lose so much. 1016 00:54:23,718 --> 00:54:26,846 Normally, we would have resigned a long time ago, but he wanted to try. 1017 00:54:27,222 --> 00:54:28,682 He continued to play. 1018 00:54:28,765 --> 00:54:31,059 He just didn't want to resign. 1019 00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:48,576 Because then white... Oh, he resigned. 1020 00:54:49,327 --> 00:54:52,038 It looks like Se-dol Lee has just resigned. 1021 00:54:55,291 --> 00:54:57,419 It doesn't make any sense. I didn't foresee that one. 1022 00:54:57,502 --> 00:54:59,879 - Move 37, very beautiful. - Yes. 1023 00:54:59,963 --> 00:55:01,589 Beautiful, yeah. Beautiful. 1024 00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:06,052 Is he okay? 1025 00:55:07,345 --> 00:55:10,390 I brought his friend, because yesterday I noticed 1026 00:55:10,473 --> 00:55:12,726 that he really wanted to analyze the game. 1027 00:55:12,809 --> 00:55:16,104 I didn't realize how bad it was. 1028 00:55:20,608 --> 00:55:22,402 There was this heavy sadness 1029 00:55:22,485 --> 00:55:24,362 over that whole floor, 1030 00:55:24,446 --> 00:55:25,989 and you could feel it during the game. 1031 00:55:26,072 --> 00:55:27,532 I felt it during the game. 1032 00:55:27,615 --> 00:55:31,453 And I'm leaving the commentary room to go to the press conference, 1033 00:55:31,536 --> 00:55:32,954 and I was stopped by someone, 1034 00:55:33,038 --> 00:55:34,330 another technology reporter. 1035 00:55:34,414 --> 00:55:36,207 At first, all he wanted to talk about 1036 00:55:36,291 --> 00:55:38,084 was the technology and how great this was, 1037 00:55:38,168 --> 00:55:42,297 but then, even he kind of slipped into this moment of melancholy 1038 00:55:42,380 --> 00:55:43,882 where he was upset as well. 1039 00:55:45,675 --> 00:55:51,139 Yesterday, I was surprised, but today, I am quite speechless. 1040 00:55:51,848 --> 00:55:53,683 "I am quite speechless. 1041 00:55:53,767 --> 00:55:56,853 I admit that it was a very clear loss on my part. 1042 00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:59,105 From the very beginning of the game, 1043 00:55:59,189 --> 00:56:02,901 there was not a moment in time that I felt that I was leading the game." 1044 00:56:03,610 --> 00:56:07,155 You feel elated, and you feel a little bit scared. 1045 00:56:07,238 --> 00:56:10,492 There is something, I think, frightening to people 1046 00:56:10,575 --> 00:56:12,786 about a machine that learns on its own. 1047 00:56:13,369 --> 00:56:16,664 For us, AlphaGo is obviously just some computer program. 1048 00:56:17,123 --> 00:56:19,667 But looking at the commentary on the Internet, 1049 00:56:19,751 --> 00:56:22,045 I already saw the commentators call AlphaGo 1050 00:56:22,128 --> 00:56:24,255 like "he" and "she" during the games. 1051 00:56:25,006 --> 00:56:26,591 Completely unconsciously. 1052 00:56:27,175 --> 00:56:30,512 Which... AlphaGo is really a very, very simple program. 1053 00:56:30,595 --> 00:56:34,099 It's not anywhere close to full AI, and we already see that happening. 1054 00:56:34,182 --> 00:56:35,558 So I find that very interesting. 1055 00:56:40,647 --> 00:56:43,149 The tendency to anthropomorphize AI systems 1056 00:56:43,233 --> 00:56:45,401 is one of the big obstacles 1057 00:56:45,485 --> 00:56:47,403 in the way of actually trying to understand 1058 00:56:47,487 --> 00:56:50,115 how AI might impact the world in the future. 1059 00:56:50,198 --> 00:56:51,634 For example, the conversation is about 1060 00:56:51,658 --> 00:56:53,618 what could go wrong, what the risks are. 1061 00:56:53,993 --> 00:56:56,204 And invariably, you see this Terminator picture. 1062 00:56:56,287 --> 00:56:58,957 Every single time, there are these red glowing eyes, right? 1063 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,543 We're really closer to a smart washing machine 1064 00:57:01,626 --> 00:57:03,211 than Terminator. 1065 00:57:03,294 --> 00:57:06,422 If you look at today's AI, 1066 00:57:06,506 --> 00:57:09,050 we are really very nascent. 1067 00:57:09,134 --> 00:57:11,136 I'm extremely excited 1068 00:57:11,219 --> 00:57:14,472 and passionate about AI's potential. 1069 00:57:14,556 --> 00:57:17,892 But AI is still very limited in its power. 1070 00:57:18,393 --> 00:57:20,520 I think that people are right to think 1071 00:57:21,146 --> 00:57:25,024 that there is a danger that as we continue to improve these systems, 1072 00:57:25,108 --> 00:57:30,155 that we might miss that threshold where we do cross over into danger. 1073 00:57:30,238 --> 00:57:31,239 But the good news is 1074 00:57:31,322 --> 00:57:33,467 that there are already people thinking about those dangers. 1075 00:57:33,491 --> 00:57:36,303 You know, there's a lot of talk now, and we are leading the discussion on this, 1076 00:57:36,327 --> 00:57:37,763 that maybe there should be a kind of, 1077 00:57:37,787 --> 00:57:40,540 cross-industry best practices working group or something. 1078 00:57:40,623 --> 00:57:41,458 Right. 1079 00:57:41,541 --> 00:57:45,295 Where the leaders of the research teams in those organizations, 1080 00:57:45,378 --> 00:57:48,548 you know, the big ones that are working on AI, IBM, Microsoft, so on, 1081 00:57:48,631 --> 00:57:52,552 come together and make sure that AI is used ethically and responsibly. 1082 00:57:53,511 --> 00:57:57,390 I think what is important is that there is this community of people 1083 00:57:57,474 --> 00:58:01,644 who are leading the cutting edge of AI, 1084 00:58:01,728 --> 00:58:03,813 who are interacting with academics, 1085 00:58:03,897 --> 00:58:06,900 and already are thinking about the long term, 1086 00:58:06,983 --> 00:58:10,653 and how we can ensure that innovation is responsible 1087 00:58:10,737 --> 00:58:12,780 as the power of these machines gets even greater. 1088 00:58:12,864 --> 00:58:15,241 Se-dol Lee Lost by Resignation 1089 00:58:15,325 --> 00:58:16,409 This is it, folks. 1090 00:58:17,118 --> 00:58:21,664 Day Three, Game Three. Se-dol Lee, Go Master. 1091 00:58:22,207 --> 00:58:25,627 Back to the wall. He's down two-zero. 1092 00:58:25,710 --> 00:58:29,088 He's got to win today to keep hope alive. 1093 00:58:29,172 --> 00:58:32,592 Se-dol Lee had a day off 1094 00:58:32,675 --> 00:58:34,302 after losing two games, 1095 00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:39,474 and he gathered with Go professionals 1096 00:58:39,557 --> 00:58:43,186 and analyzed the game all night. 1097 00:58:43,269 --> 00:58:46,606 I heard that four pros, yeah, went to visit him. 1098 00:58:46,689 --> 00:58:49,776 - Hm. - To console him and to review AlphaGo's... 1099 00:58:49,859 --> 00:58:52,570 Console him? Do you think he's upset, or... 1100 00:58:52,654 --> 00:58:54,822 I mean, Se-dol Lee is upset. Yeah. 1101 00:58:55,323 --> 00:58:58,117 In the beginning, there was a fierce fight, 1102 00:58:58,201 --> 00:59:00,453 and AlphaGo played very well. 1103 00:59:00,537 --> 00:59:02,580 So he secured a very early lead. 1104 00:59:02,997 --> 00:59:06,334 From move 50, the win rate was very high already. 1105 00:59:06,417 --> 00:59:08,795 It was climbing toward 100%. 1106 00:59:09,128 --> 00:59:10,296 Oh, that's a pretty move. 1107 00:59:10,380 --> 00:59:12,465 What's your probability rating? 1108 00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:14,551 - Like, 91? - No. 1109 00:59:14,634 --> 00:59:17,637 - It seems 70, you think? - No. 1110 00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,931 He must want to win desperately right now. 1111 00:59:20,014 --> 00:59:21,683 THE CHALLENGE OF AI 0 VS. 2 1112 00:59:21,766 --> 00:59:24,060 But I think the pressure 1113 00:59:24,143 --> 00:59:26,688 and the psychological burden is adding up. 1114 00:59:26,771 --> 00:59:29,816 Today must be the worst. 1115 00:59:29,899 --> 00:59:31,609 I personally believe, 1116 00:59:31,693 --> 00:59:35,947 when you try too hard to win, you will lose. 1117 00:59:36,656 --> 00:59:37,907 He tried to fight 1118 00:59:37,991 --> 00:59:39,200 directly in the game 1119 00:59:39,284 --> 00:59:40,493 but it's not his style. 1120 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,581 When we change our style to play against an opponent, 1121 00:59:44,664 --> 00:59:46,666 normally, it's very, very bad. 1122 00:59:49,877 --> 00:59:53,506 So it's an easier game for AlphaGo. 1123 00:59:54,632 --> 00:59:56,676 - It's looking good for us. - Hopefully, I think... 1124 00:59:56,759 --> 00:59:59,721 You know, that black group is huge, and it has got nowhere to go, 1125 00:59:59,804 --> 01:00:01,764 and it is going to be running around. 1126 01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:14,152 I don't know how to describe the situation. 1127 01:00:14,235 --> 01:00:16,404 If I were black, I will resign. 1128 01:00:16,863 --> 01:00:21,618 We should admit that we are facing the strongest existence ever, 1129 01:00:21,701 --> 01:00:23,244 ever in the Go history. 1130 01:00:23,703 --> 01:00:25,663 There's no point in playing out the endgame, 1131 01:00:25,747 --> 01:00:28,166 and you're going to lose, right? So... 1132 01:00:31,127 --> 01:00:32,670 Even if black can live there... 1133 01:00:32,754 --> 01:00:34,964 - It's done. It's done. - Oh, he resigned. Okay. 1134 01:00:35,048 --> 01:00:36,799 Wow. Wow. 1135 01:00:38,468 --> 01:00:41,095 You saw history made here tonight. 1136 01:00:41,429 --> 01:00:43,306 AlphaGo has won again. Three straight wins. 1137 01:00:43,389 --> 01:00:45,308 Three straight wins. Has won the match. 1138 01:00:46,768 --> 01:00:50,480 When Se-dol Lee resigned from the game, he looked unhappy. 1139 01:00:50,563 --> 01:00:53,024 It was not just he lost the tournament, 1140 01:00:53,107 --> 01:00:55,401 it was especially about this game, 1141 01:00:55,485 --> 01:00:58,029 because he did not play his game. 1142 01:00:58,988 --> 01:01:02,241 I am very hurt about this, very hurt. 1143 01:01:03,743 --> 01:01:05,870 But, I can't do anything. 1144 01:01:08,956 --> 01:01:11,250 You know, suddenly, I feel a bit ambivalent about it, 1145 01:01:11,334 --> 01:01:12,752 given I'm a games player, 1146 01:01:12,835 --> 01:01:15,546 and, you know, Go is the pinnacle of board games. 1147 01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:16,815 But I really liked the statement 1148 01:01:16,839 --> 01:01:19,801 of one of the top Chinese professionals. He said, you know, 1149 01:01:19,884 --> 01:01:25,139 "If AlphaGo wins, maybe we'll really start to get to see what this game is about." 1150 01:01:26,808 --> 01:01:28,434 I couldn't celebrate. 1151 01:01:28,768 --> 01:01:31,270 It was fantastic that we had won, 1152 01:01:31,354 --> 01:01:33,231 but there was such a big part of me 1153 01:01:33,314 --> 01:01:37,527 that saw this man trying so hard 1154 01:01:37,610 --> 01:01:41,864 and being so disappointed. 1155 01:01:58,005 --> 01:02:01,217 I see on the Internet, many people are talking about Se-dol Lee. 1156 01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:02,927 Maybe he didn't play his best. 1157 01:02:03,219 --> 01:02:05,388 You know, we are Go players. 1158 01:02:05,471 --> 01:02:08,182 Okay, sometimes in China, in Korea, in Japan 1159 01:02:08,266 --> 01:02:09,892 we see Go like art. 1160 01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:11,686 We are artists, you know. 1161 01:02:11,769 --> 01:02:14,897 - We play our best for Go. - Right. Right. 1162 01:02:14,981 --> 01:02:17,692 - So, please be gentle with Se-dol Lee. - Right. 1163 01:02:17,775 --> 01:02:20,862 He is a very, very good player. He is a great player. 1164 01:02:21,404 --> 01:02:24,073 I was in the room. I saw Se-dol Lee. He wanted to win. 1165 01:02:24,157 --> 01:02:26,284 He tried everything. 1166 01:02:27,118 --> 01:02:30,496 It's just we can't. It's just... So... 1167 01:02:32,749 --> 01:02:35,752 I think I have to express my apologies first. 1168 01:02:37,962 --> 01:02:40,923 If I had been able to play better or smarter, 1169 01:02:41,007 --> 01:02:43,050 the results might have been different. 1170 01:02:43,134 --> 01:02:46,262 I think I disappointed too many of you this time. 1171 01:02:46,345 --> 01:02:49,474 I want to apologize for being so powerless. 1172 01:02:50,475 --> 01:02:52,477 I've never felt... 1173 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,146 this much pressure, 1174 01:02:55,772 --> 01:02:58,065 this much weight. 1175 01:02:58,149 --> 01:03:02,195 I think I was too weak to overcome it. 1176 01:03:03,821 --> 01:03:07,074 I can't believe this is happening. 1177 01:03:07,158 --> 01:03:10,036 Regardless of your opponent's level, 1178 01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:12,914 to be defeated not by three-zero, but five-zero? 1179 01:03:13,623 --> 01:03:17,835 Losing to AlphaGo by five-zero 1180 01:03:17,919 --> 01:03:20,755 would really hurt my pride. 1181 01:03:20,838 --> 01:03:26,052 I also feel so bad for the people who have supported me. 1182 01:03:26,761 --> 01:03:28,179 Se-dol Lee, 9 dan, 1183 01:03:28,262 --> 01:03:32,141 has the strongest heart of anyone I know. 1184 01:03:32,517 --> 01:03:38,773 He is fighting a lonely fight. 1185 01:03:38,856 --> 01:03:42,318 His opponent does not exist in physical form. 1186 01:03:42,401 --> 01:03:44,779 I really feel for him. 1187 01:03:44,862 --> 01:03:47,114 We still have Games Four and Five, 1188 01:03:47,198 --> 01:03:53,162 and if Se-dol Lee, 9 dan, plays like himself, 1189 01:03:53,246 --> 01:03:55,414 I believe we can beat the machine. 1190 01:04:06,926 --> 01:04:08,886 You could see he was more relaxed 1191 01:04:08,970 --> 01:04:11,055 after he had lost three games in a row. 1192 01:04:11,556 --> 01:04:13,474 That said, the stakes were still high. 1193 01:04:13,808 --> 01:04:16,811 You know, in the end, it isn't about pride. 1194 01:04:18,229 --> 01:04:20,189 He did not feel confident, 1195 01:04:20,606 --> 01:04:22,024 but he felt light. 1196 01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:26,779 Can Se-dol Lee find AlphaGo's weakness? 1197 01:04:26,863 --> 01:04:28,823 Is there, in fact, a weakness? 1198 01:04:28,906 --> 01:04:30,586 I was thinking I would just pull the plug. 1199 01:04:30,616 --> 01:04:32,052 - You would just pull the plug? - Yeah. 1200 01:04:32,076 --> 01:04:34,412 Everyone is still cheering for Se-dol Lee. 1201 01:04:34,495 --> 01:04:35,621 And... 1202 01:04:36,497 --> 01:04:38,207 Yeah, it's not going very well. 1203 01:04:38,708 --> 01:04:40,293 Se-dol Lee has chosen 1204 01:04:40,376 --> 01:04:42,003 to play conservatively. 1205 01:04:42,086 --> 01:04:45,172 But I am not sure it will benefit him. 1206 01:04:45,256 --> 01:04:46,256 I agree. 1207 01:04:46,299 --> 01:04:48,459 Yes, it doesn't look like a very good strategy for him. 1208 01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:50,136 It feels pretty good 1209 01:04:50,219 --> 01:04:51,929 for black at this point. 1210 01:04:52,013 --> 01:04:54,616 - It feels pretty good for black, yes. - It's pretty good for black. Yeah. 1211 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,976 I want Se-dol Lee to play his game. 1212 01:04:57,518 --> 01:05:00,187 Because, at that moment, he tried various things 1213 01:05:00,271 --> 01:05:02,940 to play with AlphaGo, to understand AlphaGo, 1214 01:05:03,024 --> 01:05:05,234 but he never tried to play himself. 1215 01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:07,546 I've said this many, many times, 1216 01:05:07,570 --> 01:05:10,448 AlphaGo looks like a real mirror. 1217 01:05:10,990 --> 01:05:12,617 When you play with AlphaGo, 1218 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,369 you feel very strange. 1219 01:05:15,745 --> 01:05:18,456 It feels like you are naked all the time. 1220 01:05:19,081 --> 01:05:21,560 The first time you see this, you wouldn't want to see because... 1221 01:05:21,584 --> 01:05:24,086 "Oh, is this me? The real me?" 1222 01:05:24,921 --> 01:05:27,298 And the more you see, you learn to accept it. 1223 01:05:27,673 --> 01:05:29,175 "Oh, this is the real me. 1224 01:05:29,258 --> 01:05:32,053 So, how... Now, what shall I do?" 1225 01:05:36,682 --> 01:05:39,226 It's developing into a very, very dangerous fight. 1226 01:05:40,019 --> 01:05:44,190 This is really Se-dol Lee's type of game. He likes this kind of fight. 1227 01:05:44,273 --> 01:05:46,525 White has to find something inside black's territory. 1228 01:05:46,609 --> 01:05:49,862 I think that he is already planning on trying something. 1229 01:05:49,946 --> 01:05:52,782 So you believe in Se-dol Lee's ability 1230 01:05:52,865 --> 01:05:55,117 to live in that very small area, right? 1231 01:05:55,201 --> 01:05:56,243 Yes. Yes. 1232 01:05:56,327 --> 01:05:58,204 There is a little potential there. 1233 01:05:58,621 --> 01:06:00,873 And I think, maybe he is going to try to do something. 1234 01:06:00,957 --> 01:06:02,541 - Se-dol Lee magic! - Nice. 1235 01:06:02,959 --> 01:06:05,711 Oh, what would be the magic move? 1236 01:06:05,795 --> 01:06:07,588 Se-dol Lee is running short on time, 1237 01:06:07,672 --> 01:06:09,590 but he's going to have to use up all his time. 1238 01:06:09,674 --> 01:06:12,426 Yeah, he has just burned, like, seven or eight minutes, 1239 01:06:12,510 --> 01:06:13,886 just on this move already. 1240 01:06:14,512 --> 01:06:15,930 I don't see anything. 1241 01:06:16,973 --> 01:06:18,849 We can't find anything. 1242 01:06:18,933 --> 01:06:20,226 Show us something. 1243 01:06:20,685 --> 01:06:22,144 I don't see any possible move. 1244 01:06:22,228 --> 01:06:24,063 What is Se-dol Lee up to here? 1245 01:06:24,146 --> 01:06:25,940 Yeah, he is really concentrating. 1246 01:06:26,023 --> 01:06:27,483 He really is. Look at that. 1247 01:06:28,734 --> 01:06:30,236 Se-dol Lee is very patient. 1248 01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:32,863 He waits. He waits for his moment. 1249 01:06:33,656 --> 01:06:36,158 I feel, sometimes, he is like a wolf, 1250 01:06:36,659 --> 01:06:40,121 waiting in the forest, in the winter. 1251 01:06:41,414 --> 01:06:43,541 He is cold. He's very, very cold. 1252 01:06:44,333 --> 01:06:45,835 But he needs patience. 1253 01:06:45,918 --> 01:06:48,045 But, when the moment comes, 1254 01:06:48,129 --> 01:06:50,464 he goes out to attack. 1255 01:06:51,841 --> 01:06:54,010 This is the hinge of the game. 1256 01:06:54,093 --> 01:06:55,093 Oh. 1257 01:06:55,177 --> 01:06:56,929 Look at that move. That's an exciting move. 1258 01:06:57,096 --> 01:06:59,640 - Basically, I believe that this time... - He found a wedge. 1259 01:06:59,724 --> 01:07:00,725 Whoa. 1260 01:07:00,808 --> 01:07:03,686 It's going to change the equation 1261 01:07:03,769 --> 01:07:05,438 because now black cannot escape. 1262 01:07:05,521 --> 01:07:07,189 That would be so cool if that works. 1263 01:07:11,193 --> 01:07:12,193 Oh! 1264 01:07:14,447 --> 01:07:17,783 AlphaGo has just played something maybe unusual. 1265 01:07:18,242 --> 01:07:21,662 You know, I'm not actually sure what AlphaGo is trying to do here. 1266 01:07:21,746 --> 01:07:22,788 What's that about? 1267 01:07:22,872 --> 01:07:24,498 I don't really understand it. 1268 01:07:24,582 --> 01:07:25,458 Well, well. 1269 01:07:25,541 --> 01:07:28,294 That was a sharp drop in win rate. 1270 01:07:28,377 --> 01:07:30,880 That is the sharpest drop in win rate we have seen. 1271 01:07:31,380 --> 01:07:33,799 She dropped at eight percent. 1272 01:07:33,883 --> 01:07:35,092 - Wow. - Wow. 1273 01:07:36,052 --> 01:07:39,180 This could be that it actually can't find a way through. 1274 01:07:39,263 --> 01:07:40,365 - I think this is... - Uh-huh. 1275 01:07:40,389 --> 01:07:43,100 It has looked far enough ahead to see that it doesn't work, 1276 01:07:43,184 --> 01:07:44,935 and now maybe it's on tilt. I don't know. 1277 01:07:45,728 --> 01:07:47,146 There it comes. 1278 01:07:47,229 --> 01:07:49,190 - That was one time. - There it comes, though. 1279 01:07:49,273 --> 01:07:51,734 It looks like it has fallen off the cliff. 1280 01:07:52,568 --> 01:07:54,695 - Yeah, it has made a mistake. - Yeah. 1281 01:07:54,779 --> 01:07:56,572 Did anything strange happen in the... 1282 01:07:56,989 --> 01:07:58,449 - No, it all looked normal. - Yeah. 1283 01:07:58,532 --> 01:08:01,077 Well, we can definitely say there is a weakness. 1284 01:08:01,702 --> 01:08:03,382 Well, we definitely say there's a mistake. 1285 01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:09,168 I felt this mixture of this sinking feeling in my stomach, 1286 01:08:09,251 --> 01:08:12,588 where I was wondering if AlphaGo was becoming delusional in this situation. 1287 01:08:12,671 --> 01:08:14,965 Where I could see that it was starting to play strangely, 1288 01:08:15,341 --> 01:08:17,259 and at the same time, relief, that Se-dol Lee, 1289 01:08:17,343 --> 01:08:19,970 that he was actually in with a chance now. 1290 01:08:21,597 --> 01:08:24,350 Aja is like trying not to look horrified. 1291 01:08:26,143 --> 01:08:30,439 I knew after move 78, after, like, 10 or 20 moves, 1292 01:08:30,815 --> 01:08:33,859 I saw AlphaGo's strange moves. 1293 01:08:33,943 --> 01:08:38,405 And, I knew AlphaGo somehow became crazy, but I didn't realize why. 1294 01:08:38,489 --> 01:08:40,157 What? 1295 01:08:40,241 --> 01:08:43,202 We searched to 95 ahead at that point? 1296 01:08:43,285 --> 01:08:44,805 At the part where it made the mistake? 1297 01:08:45,246 --> 01:08:47,206 - Yes. - I think that something went wrong. 1298 01:08:47,289 --> 01:08:49,559 That's the longest it has searched the entire game, isn't it? 1299 01:08:49,583 --> 01:08:50,417 Yeah. 1300 01:08:50,501 --> 01:08:52,169 I think it's like it searched so deeply, 1301 01:08:52,253 --> 01:08:54,213 - it has lost itself. - It's tired. 1302 01:08:55,256 --> 01:08:56,465 I do get the impression 1303 01:08:56,549 --> 01:08:58,884 that AlphaGo has sort of, gone off on a tangent. 1304 01:08:58,968 --> 01:09:02,012 - What is it doing now? - Well, maybe it has a master plan. 1305 01:09:02,096 --> 01:09:04,557 No, it doesn't even think it has, does it? 1306 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,269 So it knows it has made a mistake, and it starts evaluating it the other way. 1307 01:09:08,769 --> 01:09:11,147 Look, look, Lee is confused. He's like, "What is he doing?" 1308 01:09:11,230 --> 01:09:14,108 That's not a "I'm scared" confused, that's a "What is it doing?" 1309 01:09:14,191 --> 01:09:15,442 What's going on? 1310 01:09:15,818 --> 01:09:17,319 You know, you asked if it was a bug. 1311 01:09:17,820 --> 01:09:20,656 I've said before that if... 1312 01:09:20,739 --> 01:09:23,492 - Yeah, right. That's what I thought. - If DeepMind has figured out 1313 01:09:23,576 --> 01:09:26,162 how to write code that doesn't have bugs, 1314 01:09:26,245 --> 01:09:28,539 that is a bigger news story than AlphaGo. 1315 01:09:28,622 --> 01:09:30,457 - Are you kidding me? - Hm? 1316 01:09:30,541 --> 01:09:32,710 This... Literally, this next move we are going to play, 1317 01:09:34,837 --> 01:09:37,715 I think they are going to laugh. I think Lee is going to laugh. 1318 01:09:46,182 --> 01:09:47,516 Oh! Oh! 1319 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:48,601 What is this? 1320 01:09:49,977 --> 01:09:51,812 - Oh, that's ridiculous! - What's going on? 1321 01:09:51,896 --> 01:09:53,272 What is it thinking? 1322 01:09:53,606 --> 01:09:55,858 I don't really know what AlphaGo is trying to do here. 1323 01:09:57,151 --> 01:09:58,819 That's the understatement of the year. 1324 01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:00,571 Is it a mouse misclick 1325 01:10:00,654 --> 01:10:02,364 - from Aja Huang? - Nope, that's the move. 1326 01:10:02,448 --> 01:10:03,908 Aja Huang makes no misclicks. 1327 01:10:04,909 --> 01:10:06,535 Se-dol Lee is very confused. 1328 01:10:06,994 --> 01:10:08,621 These are not human moves. 1329 01:10:08,704 --> 01:10:12,208 This move is also sort of inexplicable. 1330 01:10:12,291 --> 01:10:15,628 I mean, those, you can clearly call those mistakes. 1331 01:10:15,711 --> 01:10:16,629 Yes, of course. 1332 01:10:16,712 --> 01:10:18,881 But it's the first time in the four matches 1333 01:10:18,964 --> 01:10:20,724 - that we have seen moves like that. - Right. 1334 01:10:20,799 --> 01:10:22,593 Oh, the value dropped even more. 1335 01:10:23,385 --> 01:10:24,386 That's weird. 1336 01:10:25,221 --> 01:10:26,680 They're like 45%. 1337 01:10:28,724 --> 01:10:29,724 White. 1338 01:10:29,975 --> 01:10:32,228 - White. - I think white is winning. 1339 01:10:32,311 --> 01:10:34,063 Come on, Se-dol Lee. 1340 01:10:34,146 --> 01:10:37,024 - It's unbelievable. - Yeah, all right! 1341 01:10:37,107 --> 01:10:41,695 I was so confident that this black area would just be consolidated by black, 1342 01:10:41,779 --> 01:10:42,905 and there was nothing there. 1343 01:10:42,988 --> 01:10:46,283 And somehow, he has just erased it all. Like, it's gone. 1344 01:10:46,367 --> 01:10:47,743 So, he has found his weakness. 1345 01:10:47,826 --> 01:10:50,329 That wedge move probably surprised it. 1346 01:10:50,412 --> 01:10:51,747 - The wedge, yeah. - Yeah. 1347 01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:54,375 AlphaGo seemed to have such a good game, and then... 1348 01:10:54,458 --> 01:10:57,878 this whole sequence in the center sort of changed that. 1349 01:10:57,962 --> 01:10:59,797 He pulls off a miracle. 1350 01:11:00,130 --> 01:11:01,757 He managed to make it so complicated 1351 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,344 that the artificial intelligence doesn't evaluate it correctly. 1352 01:11:05,427 --> 01:11:08,055 I think it looks like Aja Huang maybe, sitting there, 1353 01:11:08,138 --> 01:11:10,015 also knows that the game is over. 1354 01:11:10,432 --> 01:11:13,060 I can't... I can't stop smiling. 1355 01:11:13,602 --> 01:11:14,895 Did he smile? 1356 01:11:14,979 --> 01:11:16,647 No, I haven't seen him smile yet. 1357 01:11:17,106 --> 01:11:19,191 - I think he is still checking. - He's so serious. 1358 01:11:19,275 --> 01:11:20,526 He's so serious. 1359 01:11:20,609 --> 01:11:22,861 - He wants to be careful. - Yeah. 1360 01:11:22,945 --> 01:11:25,447 He's concerned a lot. 1361 01:11:25,531 --> 01:11:26,991 He really does his best. 1362 01:11:27,783 --> 01:11:30,244 I think he feels like he has a sense of... 1363 01:11:30,953 --> 01:11:34,290 uh, responsibility, or burden. 1364 01:11:34,873 --> 01:11:36,542 I think it's almost over. 1365 01:11:37,209 --> 01:11:38,419 So, what's the percentage? 1366 01:11:38,502 --> 01:11:40,713 It shows as 18.2%. 1367 01:11:40,796 --> 01:11:42,715 The next move should be resign. 1368 01:11:46,885 --> 01:11:49,471 There you go. AlphaGo resigned. 1369 01:11:51,974 --> 01:11:54,226 - It looks like AlphaGo has resigned. - Wow. 1370 01:11:55,352 --> 01:11:57,271 The most amazing game. 1371 01:11:58,981 --> 01:12:03,068 I'm almost going to tear up, was, uh, Game Four... 1372 01:12:03,152 --> 01:12:05,654 um, where he comes back and wins, right? 1373 01:12:05,738 --> 01:12:07,072 It resigned! 1374 01:12:09,867 --> 01:12:11,452 I'm so happy! 1375 01:12:17,583 --> 01:12:19,918 I heard people shouting in joy 1376 01:12:20,002 --> 01:12:22,546 when it was clear that AlphaGo had lost the game. 1377 01:12:23,047 --> 01:12:24,715 I think it is clear why. 1378 01:12:26,258 --> 01:12:28,427 People felt helplessness and fear. 1379 01:12:29,219 --> 01:12:32,222 It seemed like we humans are so weak and fragile. 1380 01:12:33,265 --> 01:12:35,976 And this victory meant... 1381 01:12:36,810 --> 01:12:40,898 we could still hold our own. 1382 01:12:40,981 --> 01:12:43,901 As time goes on, it will probably be very difficult to beat AI. 1383 01:12:44,610 --> 01:12:50,282 But winning this one time, it felt like it was enough. 1384 01:12:51,367 --> 01:12:52,743 One time was enough. 1385 01:12:53,369 --> 01:12:55,746 I heard from so many people saying 1386 01:12:55,829 --> 01:12:58,374 they were running out in the street. 1387 01:12:58,457 --> 01:13:00,000 They were so happy. 1388 01:13:00,084 --> 01:13:02,211 They were chanting, they were celebrating. 1389 01:13:02,294 --> 01:13:05,172 Especially after zero-three down, 1390 01:13:05,547 --> 01:13:10,469 at the time, it seemed to be hopeless, that the end of the world was coming, 1391 01:13:10,552 --> 01:13:11,720 but we saw the light. 1392 01:13:11,970 --> 01:13:13,514 Usually... 1393 01:13:13,597 --> 01:13:17,643 I'm happy when I win, not when my colleague wins. 1394 01:13:18,227 --> 01:13:21,897 But, this time, it felt like my win. 1395 01:13:21,980 --> 01:13:24,400 I didn't want to make a move which AlphaGo could predict. 1396 01:13:24,483 --> 01:13:25,526 This part... 1397 01:13:26,485 --> 01:13:29,196 It didn't anticipate this wedge move. 1398 01:13:30,155 --> 01:13:31,698 I won one game at least. 1399 01:13:32,741 --> 01:13:33,826 Good job today. 1400 01:14:02,271 --> 01:14:04,690 But I didn't expect it 1401 01:14:04,773 --> 01:14:06,150 to be like this. 1402 01:14:06,692 --> 01:14:08,819 I couldn't believe I won one game. 1403 01:14:08,902 --> 01:14:11,321 It was unbelievable. 1404 01:14:11,905 --> 01:14:12,990 Thank you very much. 1405 01:14:14,324 --> 01:14:17,995 I have never been congratulated so much for winning one game. 1406 01:14:18,745 --> 01:14:22,499 After losing three games in a row, I couldn't be happier. 1407 01:14:25,377 --> 01:14:30,090 This victory is so valuable that I wouldn't exchange it 1408 01:14:30,174 --> 01:14:32,885 for anything in the world. 1409 01:14:33,343 --> 01:14:36,597 My question is about move number 78. 1410 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,933 Chinese top Go player Gu Li said that it was a god's play. 1411 01:14:40,017 --> 01:14:42,519 What were you thinking when you made that play? Thank you. 1412 01:14:42,895 --> 01:14:45,189 At that point in the game, 1413 01:14:45,272 --> 01:14:48,150 move 78 was the only move I could see. 1414 01:14:48,233 --> 01:14:50,611 There was no other placement. 1415 01:14:50,694 --> 01:14:53,614 It was the only option for me, so I put it there. 1416 01:14:53,697 --> 01:14:57,367 I am quite humbled by all the praise I am getting for it. 1417 01:14:58,243 --> 01:15:01,663 It does leave me a little bit in awe of the human brain's power, 1418 01:15:01,747 --> 01:15:05,584 in particular, Lee's amazing ability to cause AlphaGo problems 1419 01:15:05,667 --> 01:15:08,337 and find something seemingly out of nothing. 1420 01:15:08,420 --> 01:15:10,589 And so, we really want to understand what had happened. 1421 01:15:11,298 --> 01:15:13,091 So, it really was Lee's move? 1422 01:15:13,175 --> 01:15:14,176 The key is the center. 1423 01:15:14,259 --> 01:15:15,945 After the center got out, there was no chance. 1424 01:15:15,969 --> 01:15:16,887 Come, come. 1425 01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:18,388 We were winning before this. 1426 01:15:19,097 --> 01:15:20,682 But if AlphaGo thought it was winning 1427 01:15:20,766 --> 01:15:24,019 and it couldn't convert that win, that means it wasn't actually winning. 1428 01:15:24,102 --> 01:15:25,955 Otherwise, it would have had the right responses. 1429 01:15:25,979 --> 01:15:27,105 Would we have played it? 1430 01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:28,357 Nerves of steel in there. 1431 01:15:28,440 --> 01:15:30,192 What probability does it give it as white? 1432 01:15:33,445 --> 01:15:36,532 It's 0.007% of... 1433 01:15:36,615 --> 01:15:38,283 Is that in the position that he played? 1434 01:15:38,367 --> 01:15:39,636 - That's when he played it. - I see. 1435 01:15:39,660 --> 01:15:41,971 - We thought this was a 1-in-10,000 move. - I know it was like... 1436 01:15:41,995 --> 01:15:43,635 - Yeah. - The values we didn't know about. 1437 01:15:45,499 --> 01:15:48,585 - So the god move was literally a god move, - Yeah. 1438 01:15:48,669 --> 01:15:51,380 because we believe that only one in 10,000 humans 1439 01:15:51,463 --> 01:15:53,066 - would have found that move. - That's right. 1440 01:15:53,090 --> 01:15:55,384 It doesn't come to mind as the top five... 1441 01:15:55,467 --> 01:15:57,803 in the top five moves that you would consider. 1442 01:15:57,886 --> 01:15:59,906 Unless you're Se-dol Lee, he said it was the only move. 1443 01:15:59,930 --> 01:16:02,891 He thought it was the only move. Yeah, remarkable, isn't it? 1444 01:16:06,645 --> 01:16:08,814 Welcome back to the Four Seasons. 1445 01:16:08,897 --> 01:16:10,732 World Champion Se-dol Lee 1446 01:16:10,816 --> 01:16:16,113 went looking for AlphaGo's weakness in Game Four, and he found it. 1447 01:16:16,196 --> 01:16:20,742 Today, last round, he is looking to see if he can repeat that. 1448 01:16:20,826 --> 01:16:21,994 We will see what happens. 1449 01:16:22,077 --> 01:16:23,704 The place is a madhouse downstairs. 1450 01:16:23,787 --> 01:16:26,582 Maybe as many, if not more, journalists here today 1451 01:16:26,665 --> 01:16:28,584 than there were for Game One. 1452 01:16:29,793 --> 01:16:32,254 We were really excited for the fifth match, 1453 01:16:32,337 --> 01:16:33,505 to see what would happen. 1454 01:16:33,589 --> 01:16:36,842 Was this going to be a three-two thing or was it going to be a four-one thing? 1455 01:16:36,925 --> 01:16:39,803 And, you know, there's a different message with both of those. 1456 01:16:41,013 --> 01:16:44,433 For me, I don't think AlphaGo will make the mistake again. 1457 01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:46,476 But who knows. 1458 01:16:47,311 --> 01:16:48,437 Maybe it will happen again. 1459 01:16:49,146 --> 01:16:53,066 And Se-dol Lee now have more confidence about this. 1460 01:16:53,150 --> 01:16:58,739 It looks like, maybe, Se-dol Lee has found the key in solving AlphaGo. 1461 01:16:59,364 --> 01:17:00,407 Oh, this works! 1462 01:17:03,035 --> 01:17:06,246 Is it fair to say that AlphaGo made a mistake? 1463 01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:07,770 We might have another victory today. 1464 01:17:07,831 --> 01:17:11,084 You weren't crazy about the timing on this move. 1465 01:17:11,168 --> 01:17:14,171 - Yeah. - And now, you don't approve of this. 1466 01:17:14,838 --> 01:17:17,299 Yeah, I'm sort of thinking that maybe AlphaGo 1467 01:17:17,382 --> 01:17:19,509 hasn't recovered from Game Four yet. Yeah. 1468 01:17:20,052 --> 01:17:21,136 Still deluded? 1469 01:17:21,845 --> 01:17:22,971 We don't know. 1470 01:17:23,513 --> 01:17:24,640 Oh, no, I hope he doesn't... 1471 01:17:24,723 --> 01:17:26,892 No, no, he needs to play the... 1472 01:17:29,436 --> 01:17:31,688 He played some moves. 1473 01:17:31,772 --> 01:17:32,773 It was a bad move. 1474 01:17:32,856 --> 01:17:33,857 I felt something. 1475 01:17:33,940 --> 01:17:36,777 Oh, maybe his weakness has come back again. 1476 01:17:36,902 --> 01:17:39,863 Are we seeing another short circuit? 1477 01:17:39,946 --> 01:17:42,074 Or is there something, what's... 1478 01:17:42,157 --> 01:17:44,117 I think it could be a kind of a misreading. 1479 01:17:44,910 --> 01:17:46,244 And we are... 1480 01:17:46,328 --> 01:17:48,088 You're pretty comfortable with saying that... 1481 01:17:48,121 --> 01:17:49,831 That it is looking good for Se-dol Lee? 1482 01:17:49,915 --> 01:17:51,416 It's looking good for Se-dol Lee. 1483 01:17:54,044 --> 01:17:55,420 What is he playing in there for? 1484 01:17:55,504 --> 01:17:58,006 There's no reason for white to be playing that move. 1485 01:17:58,090 --> 01:17:59,466 It's a bad move. 1486 01:17:59,549 --> 01:18:02,386 And in some cases, it's going to lose a point, too. 1487 01:18:02,469 --> 01:18:04,596 It is exactly the same thing. 1488 01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,139 It's 91% certain now. 1489 01:18:06,223 --> 01:18:08,225 Someone was telling me that maybe it had... 1490 01:18:08,308 --> 01:18:10,268 Yeah, because it's incorrect again. 1491 01:18:11,978 --> 01:18:13,647 The whole game, we thought that AlphaGo 1492 01:18:13,730 --> 01:18:15,130 was wrong about the board position. 1493 01:18:15,190 --> 01:18:18,193 We were super worried that, "Oh, it's going to play garbage. 1494 01:18:18,276 --> 01:18:20,445 It's going to be like lose in a very embarrassing way." 1495 01:18:20,529 --> 01:18:22,489 And this continued for the whole game. 1496 01:18:23,323 --> 01:18:24,324 This is a bit weird. 1497 01:18:25,158 --> 01:18:26,576 - When did it play that? - Just now. 1498 01:18:26,660 --> 01:18:29,097 - So I don't know. I mean, it doesn't... - Well, that we don't know. 1499 01:18:29,121 --> 01:18:31,182 But we're not good enough Go players to know that, right? 1500 01:18:31,206 --> 01:18:32,040 Yeah. 1501 01:18:32,124 --> 01:18:34,626 As it turns out, none of us know Go well enough 1502 01:18:34,710 --> 01:18:36,920 to accurately judge what AlphaGo is doing. 1503 01:18:37,003 --> 01:18:38,380 The white is winning now. 1504 01:18:38,463 --> 01:18:39,943 This one looks like white is winning. 1505 01:18:41,133 --> 01:18:42,008 Ah! 1506 01:18:42,092 --> 01:18:46,888 We all say some of AlphaGo's moves are so weird and strange, 1507 01:18:46,972 --> 01:18:48,390 and may be mistakes. 1508 01:18:48,682 --> 01:18:51,977 But after a game is finished, 1509 01:18:52,060 --> 01:18:56,148 we have to doubt ourselves, our judgment. 1510 01:18:56,231 --> 01:18:59,401 AlphaGo making another kind of nonsensical throw-in. 1511 01:18:59,985 --> 01:19:01,379 I'm not really sure what that's about. 1512 01:19:01,403 --> 01:19:03,947 This is what 10 or maybe 11-dan play looks like. 1513 01:19:04,030 --> 01:19:06,700 It looks weird, and we don't quite understand it. 1514 01:19:06,783 --> 01:19:10,245 I think it's important to study more 1515 01:19:10,328 --> 01:19:13,832 about AlphaGo's mistake-like moves. 1516 01:19:13,915 --> 01:19:17,878 Then maybe we can adjust our knowledge about Go. 1517 01:19:17,961 --> 01:19:21,673 To me, the most amazing thing to come out of my understanding of Go 1518 01:19:21,757 --> 01:19:23,383 as a result of watching AlphaGo play 1519 01:19:23,467 --> 01:19:26,052 are the infamous "slack moves." 1520 01:19:26,136 --> 01:19:27,471 Well, there's something strange 1521 01:19:27,554 --> 01:19:29,097 - about the way it is playing, - Yeah. 1522 01:19:29,181 --> 01:19:32,058 because it's playing some moves that are not really necessary. 1523 01:19:32,142 --> 01:19:32,976 Right. 1524 01:19:33,059 --> 01:19:36,062 A "slack move" is a move that looks lazy. 1525 01:19:36,146 --> 01:19:39,900 You can see these other better moves, and AlphaGo is rejecting them. 1526 01:19:39,983 --> 01:19:43,320 But, what I think AlphaGo is teaching us 1527 01:19:43,403 --> 01:19:49,534 is that we have been using score as a proxy for chance of winning. 1528 01:19:49,618 --> 01:19:52,621 So the bigger my margin of territory, 1529 01:19:52,704 --> 01:19:54,706 the more confident I am that I'm going to win. 1530 01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:56,416 And AlphaGo is saying, "No, no, no. 1531 01:19:56,500 --> 01:19:58,251 It shouldn't matter how much you win by, 1532 01:19:58,335 --> 01:20:00,462 you only need to win by a single point. 1533 01:20:00,545 --> 01:20:03,465 Why should I be seizing all this extra territory when I don't need it?" 1534 01:20:03,548 --> 01:20:05,926 The lessons that AlphaGo is teaching us 1535 01:20:06,009 --> 01:20:11,598 are going to influence how Go is played for the next thousand years. 1536 01:20:12,098 --> 01:20:14,518 By my counting, white won this game. 1537 01:20:14,601 --> 01:20:17,562 How... By how much? Are we talking two points? 1538 01:20:17,646 --> 01:20:19,564 - One-and-a-half. - One-and-a-half points. 1539 01:20:19,981 --> 01:20:22,192 One-and-a-half. Maybe half, one-and-a-half. 1540 01:20:22,275 --> 01:20:25,737 Of course, Go is just a game, but we can learn important lessons 1541 01:20:25,821 --> 01:20:28,573 from a computer being so successful at Go. 1542 01:20:28,657 --> 01:20:31,910 Machines will have the capability not only to crunch 1543 01:20:31,993 --> 01:20:36,331 through a huge amount of data, but also to analyze it intelligently. 1544 01:20:36,665 --> 01:20:39,251 Just as in the case of the Go games, 1545 01:20:39,334 --> 01:20:42,712 the machine made moves that surprised even the experts. 1546 01:20:42,796 --> 01:20:45,465 And, eventually, the machines will gain our confidence 1547 01:20:45,549 --> 01:20:47,759 because we will see that very, very often 1548 01:20:47,843 --> 01:20:50,846 they make a better guess than we could have made as humans. 1549 01:20:53,849 --> 01:20:55,684 AlphaGo has strong foundation. 1550 01:21:01,648 --> 01:21:03,149 What surprised me the most was... 1551 01:21:03,608 --> 01:21:05,360 that AlphaGo showed us 1552 01:21:05,443 --> 01:21:09,072 that moves humans may have thought are creative, were actually conventional. 1553 01:21:09,781 --> 01:21:14,828 I think this will bring a new paradigm to Go. 1554 01:21:14,911 --> 01:21:18,248 AlphaGo won this area as well? Oh, god. 1555 01:21:18,331 --> 01:21:22,544 - That makes me very uncomfortable. - Oh! 1556 01:21:22,627 --> 01:21:25,088 Unfortunately, for Se-dol Lee, 1557 01:21:25,171 --> 01:21:27,424 I think white might have a slight advantage here. 1558 01:21:27,507 --> 01:21:30,176 White lights up in places, but if we count it like that, it's 1.5. 1559 01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:31,887 They keep saying one-and-a-half points. 1560 01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:33,805 How do you know the Korean room has called it? 1561 01:21:33,889 --> 01:21:35,432 Someone, um... 1562 01:21:36,016 --> 01:21:38,101 - Who told us the Koreans called it? - I don't know. 1563 01:21:38,184 --> 01:21:39,936 The Koreans told you? 1564 01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:41,020 Koreans called it. 1565 01:21:41,062 --> 01:21:44,024 The Korean room has called it for AlphaGo. 1566 01:21:44,107 --> 01:21:47,360 We would just like to know if someone Korean in there can find out. 1567 01:21:49,070 --> 01:21:50,906 The Korean room think AlphaGo is winning. 1568 01:21:51,615 --> 01:21:53,241 "Winning," okay, not... then not won. 1569 01:21:53,325 --> 01:21:54,552 - That's what she said. - "Winning." 1570 01:21:54,576 --> 01:21:56,016 She said they called it right there. 1571 01:22:01,499 --> 01:22:03,168 AlphaGo is saying it's going to resign. 1572 01:22:03,251 --> 01:22:04,669 - What... - No. I'm only joking. 1573 01:22:06,338 --> 01:22:08,214 Jesus, I almost had a heart attack. 1574 01:22:08,798 --> 01:22:10,467 That is ridiculous. 1575 01:22:11,217 --> 01:22:13,345 That was very good. 1576 01:22:13,428 --> 01:22:14,763 - Well played. - Yeah. 1577 01:22:14,846 --> 01:22:16,139 - Well played. - No, not really. 1578 01:22:16,222 --> 01:22:19,309 I couldn't do it for too long. I just couldn't think like that. 1579 01:22:19,392 --> 01:22:21,436 David, you've been waiting two years to do that. 1580 01:22:21,519 --> 01:22:23,688 He needs to do that. 1581 01:22:23,772 --> 01:22:26,316 We don't know the score. We have no idea what's going on, right? 1582 01:22:27,150 --> 01:22:28,360 Two-and-a-half points. 1583 01:22:28,443 --> 01:22:30,243 Lee is two-and-a-half points behind, at least. 1584 01:22:31,488 --> 01:22:33,198 The parting in the center, 1585 01:22:33,281 --> 01:22:35,116 it's very hard to... It's very hard to... 1586 01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,119 Lee is touching the bowl. 1587 01:22:38,203 --> 01:22:39,996 It looks like he's considering resigning. 1588 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:41,998 Yes. I think he is thinking of resigning. 1589 01:22:53,176 --> 01:22:54,511 - Did he resign? - He resigned. 1590 01:22:54,594 --> 01:22:56,054 Hm? He has what? 1591 01:22:56,137 --> 01:22:57,555 I think he resigned. 1592 01:22:57,639 --> 01:23:00,517 - He resigned? - I think he resigned. Look. 1593 01:23:01,851 --> 01:23:03,812 - He's moved everything in there. - What? 1594 01:23:03,895 --> 01:23:04,896 He played the white. 1595 01:23:04,980 --> 01:23:06,147 Aja is looking relaxed. 1596 01:23:06,231 --> 01:23:08,066 - Yeah, he has resigned. - He has resigned. 1597 01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:09,275 Yes, he is giving up. 1598 01:23:09,359 --> 01:23:11,861 - Okay. That's it. He has given up. - Yeah. 1599 01:23:13,071 --> 01:23:14,906 - Yeah! - Yes! 1600 01:23:23,623 --> 01:23:27,460 I mean, I think it just really is a once-in-a-lifetime thing. 1601 01:23:27,877 --> 01:23:31,589 I would say it is the most amazing thing, you know, I have experienced. 1602 01:23:32,298 --> 01:23:34,759 You know, for us, it is the culmination of a 20-year dream. 1603 01:23:35,343 --> 01:23:39,055 It started as a pure research endeavor. 1604 01:23:39,139 --> 01:23:42,350 We just wanted to understand. Can neural networks play the game of Go? 1605 01:23:42,434 --> 01:23:47,981 And from there, it went on to a level that I never expected. 1606 01:23:48,481 --> 01:23:51,568 And, I'm unbelievably proud of the team. 1607 01:23:52,944 --> 01:23:55,155 When I started doing artificial intelligence, 1608 01:23:55,238 --> 01:23:57,699 it was four or five years ago, 1609 01:23:57,782 --> 01:23:59,617 and I was really interested in that, 1610 01:23:59,701 --> 01:24:01,578 but, like, many people would discourage me, 1611 01:24:01,661 --> 01:24:03,663 and they would say, okay, there is no future. 1612 01:24:03,747 --> 01:24:07,125 So, actually seeing that within five years 1613 01:24:07,208 --> 01:24:09,169 we are at this stage right now, 1614 01:24:09,294 --> 01:24:10,795 it's amazing by itself. 1615 01:24:10,879 --> 01:24:12,756 Everybody say, "Nine dan." 1616 01:24:12,839 --> 01:24:14,090 - Nine dan! - Nine dan! 1617 01:24:14,174 --> 01:24:15,300 Kimchi! 1618 01:24:16,051 --> 01:24:18,428 There are so many possible application domains 1619 01:24:18,511 --> 01:24:22,766 where creativity, in a different dimension to what humans could do, 1620 01:24:22,849 --> 01:24:24,476 could be immensely valuable to us. 1621 01:24:24,893 --> 01:24:26,653 And I just love to have more of those moments 1622 01:24:26,728 --> 01:24:29,814 where we look back and say, "Yeah, that was just like move 37. 1623 01:24:29,898 --> 01:24:31,900 Something beautiful occurred there." 1624 01:24:32,192 --> 01:24:35,862 At least in a broad sense, move 37 begat move 78, 1625 01:24:35,945 --> 01:24:40,784 begat a new attitude in Se-dol Lee, a new way of seeing the game. 1626 01:24:41,785 --> 01:24:45,163 He improved through this machine. 1627 01:24:45,663 --> 01:24:51,211 His humanness was expanded after playing this inanimate creation. 1628 01:24:51,294 --> 01:24:53,755 And the hope is that, that machine, 1629 01:24:53,838 --> 01:24:55,924 and in particular, the technology behind it, 1630 01:24:56,007 --> 01:24:58,635 can have the same effect with all of us. 1631 01:25:00,178 --> 01:25:03,723 I remember hearing a talk by Kasparov, who says that, uh, 1632 01:25:03,807 --> 01:25:07,811 a good human plus a machine is the best combination. 1633 01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,856 This is a unique experience. 1634 01:25:12,982 --> 01:25:14,859 Nobody can have this experience 1635 01:25:14,943 --> 01:25:16,986 playing with AlphaGo, five games like this. 1636 01:25:17,403 --> 01:25:22,951 So, I hope Se-dol Lee can find something in these five games. 1637 01:25:23,034 --> 01:25:25,286 Maybe some change in his game. 1638 01:25:26,246 --> 01:25:29,040 I saw today how he continuously fought. 1639 01:25:29,582 --> 01:25:30,583 SE-DOL LEE 2016-03-15 1640 01:25:30,667 --> 01:25:31,835 He's very good, 1641 01:25:31,918 --> 01:25:34,170 a master, a really great master. 1642 01:25:36,089 --> 01:25:37,757 I have grown 1643 01:25:37,841 --> 01:25:39,634 through this experience. 1644 01:25:39,717 --> 01:25:44,889 I will make something out of it with the lessons I have learned. 1645 01:25:45,390 --> 01:25:49,894 I feel thankful and feel like 1646 01:25:50,478 --> 01:25:54,607 I have found the reason I play Go. 1647 01:25:54,691 --> 01:25:59,070 I realize it was really a good choice, learning to play Go. 1648 01:26:00,238 --> 01:26:06,494 It has been an unforgettable experience. 1649 01:26:09,581 --> 01:26:11,416 This event is done, 1650 01:26:11,499 --> 01:26:14,836 but for the story, maybe, it's just beginning. 1651 01:26:14,919 --> 01:26:15,919 We don't know. 1652 01:26:19,966 --> 01:26:23,011 It's just when I played with AlphaGo, he showed me something. 1653 01:26:23,261 --> 01:26:25,471 I felt something beautiful. That was it. 1654 01:26:26,723 --> 01:26:30,977 I saw the world differently, before everything began. 1655 01:26:32,437 --> 01:26:35,732 What is really behind the game of Go? 1656 01:26:36,524 --> 01:26:39,611 What that is, it can change my game. 1657 01:26:43,198 --> 01:26:47,076 Maybe it can just show humans something we have never discovered. 1658 01:26:48,828 --> 01:26:50,705 Maybe, there is beauty. 131710

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