All language subtitles for Ancient Aliens (2010) 17x01 - The Lost City Of Peru (English)

On the western side
of South America

is a land of exotic jungles,
vast plains,

and astounding
archaeological sites.

All throughout that region
of the world,

we have
some of the most

incredible Architectural structures
on planet Earth.

But could
new discoveries... reveal

that the true history of Peru

is far more incredible
than we ever imagined?

The dating of Caral
has really put into question

the origins of civilization
and the planet.

This excavation
has put the entire region

into a new light.

Ancient Astronaut Theorist

Giorgio Tsoukalos is joined
by author David Childress

and investigative mythologist
William Henry

to examine evidence
suggesting that Peru

was home to an advanced civilization
thousands of years ago...

These discoveries
are changing the face

of south American Archaeology.

And was influenced
by beings from another world.

The message is consistent
throughout all these discoveries

that extraterrestrials
were helping to advance us.

I mean, this is about
as exciting as it gets.

There is a doorway
in the universe.

Beyond it
is the promise of truth.

It demands we question
everything

We have
ever been taught.

The evidence
is all around us.

The future is
right before our eyes.

We... are not alone.

We have never... been alone.

Peru is actually
one of my favorite

places
to visit on the planet,

and we've all been to Peru...

This is what's so
great about that whole region

because it seems
as if this whole area

continues to give us
new pieces of information.

And we're just beginning
to uncover what's actually there.

It's kind of like
a wild frontier down there.

I mean, worlds meet
down there, don't they?

It's really, uh, just

the most mysterious place,
and it's a very large country

That goes from
deserts along the coast

up into the mountains,

down into the jungles...
It has literally

- Every climate in the world.
- Mm-hmm.

And it's also a treasure trove

for the Ancient Astronaut Theory

- Yeah.
- Because there are many megalithic sites

and especially in the legends

- and the mythologies of that place.
- Yep.

You have stories of giants
and of, uh, Gods,

the children of the Sun.

The country of Peru
in western South America

is known for its many ancient
archaeological wonders

from the massive
stone walls of Cusco

to the magnificent terraces
at Ollantaytambo,

to the majestic mountain
citadel of Machu Picchu.

These incredible sites
have long been connected

to a great
civilization

that emerged
in the 13th century AD

Known as the Inca.

The Inca
pretty much

not just
dominated the landscape,

they changed the landscape.

They had these
major massive cities

from one end of the Andes
to the other end of the Andes.

And in between
each of these cities,

they had this incredible
road network.

We have to think about the Inca

as... part of this aggressive trend

of ideas
and of culture and tradition.

In 1526, Spanish Conquistadors,

led by Francisco Pizarro,
arrived in Peru,

and over the course
of the following four decades,

conquered the Inca empire.

While the Inca only flourished

for a little
more than two centuries,

mainstream Archaeologists
remain astonished

by their engineering
and construction achievements.

But a mounting body
of evidence suggests

many of Peru's astounding
structures may, in fact,

have been built by a much
earlier civilization.

The Incas were pretty recent,
really, to the Spanish.

-They're not the oldest,
- Right.

They had only existed

- about 200 years before
- Right.

- the Spanish arrived.
- Yeah.

And... allegedly,
during that period,

they built all these
giant megaliths around Cusco,

Sacsayhuam�n, even Machu Picchu
and Ollantaytambo,

and they would have
just completed them

- Wait...
- Like, a hundred years before the Spanish.

Wait a second, wait a second.
But here's the deal.

That is mainstream
archaeology's opinion.

When you ask the local,

including the local
archaeologists

and tour guides, yes,

they will tell tour groups
that yes, this is all Inca,

But when you have
deep conversations with them,

they all agree that
many of those structures

are pre-Inca.

And this is where
the opinions diverge.

- Right.
- Who were the pre-Inca?

In April 2019,

David Childress traveled to Peru

with author Hugh Newman to meet

with Jorge Luis Delgado,

a local expert on
and a descendant of the Inca.

Jorge believes
that many of

Peru's incredible
ancient structures do,

in fact,
predate the Inca.

All right. Here we are.

On this day,
Jorge took David and Hugh

to one of Peru's
most mysterious sites:

A location outside of Cusco

known only as the x-zone.

Overlooking the sprawling
stone fortress of Sacsayhuam�n,

the x-zone is an impressive
collection of megalithic ruins,

rock-cut monuments and a maze
of underground tunnels.

- It's incredible.
- What kind of technology

does it take to cut these
so perfectly and straight

And then fit them in
where you can't fit

A piece of paper
or a razor blade in here.

It seems like they're
softening the stones somehow,

and they're kind of shaping it
and then putting it back in.

Like some magical technology.

Naylamp
was the deity

worshipped by the sican people
who settled in northern Peru

around 750 AD,
centuries before the Inca.

Their oral traditions

describe Naylamp
as a strange being

with sharp birdlike features

who, upon his death,
sprouted wings

and then ascended into the sky.

Is it possible that
these traditional beliefs

are grounded in fact,
as the Sican people claim?

And, if so,
could Naylamp have been,

as Ancient Astronaut
Theorists suspect,

An extraterrestrial being?

I think that the Incas
found these places.

They identified them as very
important, and they moved in.

They say so
in one of the earliest books

written about that region.

Diego De Landa
was the one who wrote it.

It says that
the Incas themselves

said
this was not built by us.

- We also have the local legends
- Yeah.

That say that
there were celestial visitors.

They were not Gods.
They were visiting extraterrestrials.

Well, here's where now we get

fact backing up
the local knowledge,

Lore, understanding in this.

1994 Archaeologist Ruth Shady

is exploring north of Lima,

and she said "that...
hill over there...

- that looks artificial to me."
- Mm-hmm.

So she goes
and gathers some soldiers.

They do some excavating.

Lo and behold,
here's this... what?

Ten-story-tall pyramid.

and that became known
as the site of...

- Caral.
- Right.

First discovered in 1905,

the site of Caral-Supe, often
referred to as simply Caral,

was initially thought to be
little more than a scattering

of insignificant
and possibly modern ruins.

But while investigating
the site in 1994,

Peruvian Archaeologist
Ruth Shady Sol�s

came to the astonishing
revelation

that Caral was once a vast
and highly sophisticated city.

When you visit Caral, you find
a huge archaeological complex.

There is a large Sunken
amphitheater to the south.

There's a major pyramid
to the north

And then there are
more minor pyramids

that surround a central area.

There are also other buildings,
residential buildings,

So it's a really huge complex.

But the most
extraordinary discovery

was still to come.

While excavating the pyramid's
foundation in 1999,

Ruth shady and her team
unEarthed the preserved remains

of ancient mesh bags woven
from a long durable grass

known as Shicra.

Up until this time,
there had been no way

to scientifically determine
the age of Caral

since it is not possible
to perform radiocarbon dating

on inorganic material
like stone ruins.

With the discovery
of the grass bags,

Archaeologists now had
the organic material they needed

to determine just how old
Caral really was.

And what they found was
nothing less than shocking.

Carbon dating of the bags

revealed that Caral predated
the Inca civilization

by more than 3,000 years.

This site went back at least

to 2600 BC or earlier.

So that was putting it
back 4,600 or more years,

Which made it
one of the oldest sites

As far as civilization
in the Americas.

Caral could
be the mother culture

of the whole of South America.

The dating of Caral
has really put into question

The origins of civilization
on the planet.

The dating of Caral to 2600 BC,

a revelation made just a little
more than two decades ago,

completely upended history's
well-established timeline.

And continuing excavation
has produced evidence

suggesting the site
is even older.

These discoveries at Caral

are changing the face
of South American Archaeology

and we don't even know

what new discoveries they're going
to be making in the future.

I mean, you have a choice.
If you're an archaeologist,

You're either really excited
right now or really nervous

because the chronology
has been obliterated,

and now we have to ask
were extraterrestrials

helping to advance us?
And Caral is hinting

at that as well. Definitely.

Incredible.

Have either of you
been to Caral?

- No. - No.
- Well, this is great

Because on our video call

is our good friend
Brien Foerster

and he's just
been to Caral,

- Awesome.
- and I can't wait to hear

- what he has to report to us.
- Absolutely. - Oh, right.

Hey, Brien.
Good to see you.

- Hi, Brien.
- Gentlemen.

- It's been a long time.
- Hi, Brrien.

Always a pleasure to visit

with my ancient aliens
compatriots.

- Are you at your house in paracas?
- Yeah.

I've just come back
from an incredible

Ancient site called Caral

on the central coast of Peru...

Caral has only been excavated

for possibly
the last 20 or 30 years.

It was a huge trading center

that connected the coast
of Peru, the highlands of Peru,

and even the Amazon jungle
4,500 years ago.

Aside from featuring the remains

of many impressive
ancient structures,

Caral appears
to have been designed

very much
like a modern Metropolis

with specific districts
dedicated to various trades,

along with dwellings for as many
as 3,000 inhabitants.

At Caral,

we've got this incredible
urban planning.

It has indications
of the use of science.

Definitely engineering,
definitely mathematics,

when we start looking at
the planning, the structure

of these particular sites.

It's a huge complex. They're
discovering more and more of it.

So as you drive off the highway

towards Caral,
there are ruins on the left side

and the right side
going on for miles.

So it was a very major center.

Probably the most incredible
thing is the central pyramid.

It's quite massive,
and the excavations are ongoing.

Standing some 90 feet tall,

The great pyramid of Caral
occupies an area of five acres

Or nearly four football fields.

A 30-foot-wide staircase rises

From a Sunken circular Plaza
at the base of the pyramid

Passing over
three terraced levels

Until it reaches
the top of a platform

That features the remains
of a large atrium

And some kind of structure
designed for continuous burning.

But just what was its purpose?

It's quite
tall, and it's thought that

The ceremonial aspect
of the site was carried out

from the top
of this particular pyramid.

And the chief priests,
or Shaman,

could actually see over
the whole domain of Caral

And actually almost see
to the coast on a clear day.

And so it could have been used
for astronomical observations.

Recently unEarthed
archaeological evidence

suggests that,
during the same period,

approximately 4,600 years ago,

while Ziggurats were being
built in Mesopotamia,

as well as
the step pyramids in Egypt,

incredibly similar structures

were being constructed in Caral.

Was this by pure coincidence?

Ancient Astronaut Theorists
believe the evidence suggests

they could be
profoundly connected.

It's almost as if there was
some kind of syzygy going on

between Egypt
and the Caral civilization

of northern Peru
at exactly the same time.

These monuments
quite clearly are meant

to connect us
with otherworldly environments.

They were both constructed
around 2600 BC.

I find that very
intriguing indeed.

Caral is dated
to about the same time

that the Saqqara
step pyramid was built.

Do you see a correspondence
between those two sites?

It's just curious
that this timeline

keeps coming up about ancient
places being 4,500 years old.

Like the pyramids in Egypt

and other locations
around the world.

I think that there
was a pre-flood civilization,

everything collapsed and then
around this period... 3000 bc...

Then all of a sudden there's
this reset in the ancient world.

Yeah, that very much
seems to be the case.

In ancient
traditions around the world,

there are accounts
of a lost civilization

that existed on Earth that was
destroyed by a great flood...

...such as the vedas texts
of India,

The Babylonian Poem
the epic of Gilgamesh,

The Bible's Book of Genesis,

and the Incan myth
of the Unu Pachakuti.

According to geologist
Dr. Robert Schoch,

a growing body
of evidence suggests

that these stories
are based on historical events,

and that such a cataclysm

may actually have
occurred around the end

of the last ice age
12,000 years ago.

We now know, based on
a lot of geological data,

that there were incredible

climatic changes
at the end of the last ice age.

My work has put it all
together that

this was based on major solar
outbursts that change conditions

on the surface
of the Earth dramatically.

And to make
a very big story very short,

There were
well-developed cultures,

sophisticated cultures,
civilization on Earth

that were devastated
by the events

at the end of the last ice age.

According to Dr. Schoch,

this cataclysm thrust
humanity into a dark age

for thousands of years.

Until new civilizations
emerged around the globe

at remarkably similar times.

After thousands of
years, civilizations reemerged

around the same time period,

between about 3500 BC

to 2500 BC or so.

We have that
in the old world with Egypt,

With Mesopotamia,

in Asia
with the Chinese cultures.

Caral is, I believe, evidence
of this in the Americas

of the reemergence
of civilization.

Can you tell us why,
in your opinion,

it is such an important
ancient site?

I think the most
important thing was that

People of Caral
were in some way connected

to the ancient deity
called Viracocha,

which we find
in other cultures in Peru

and other
locations around the world.

- Wow.
- They found the gourd buried near Caral

that had the image
of the staff God on it,

And they
were able to date it to...

What? Like, 2300 BC?
Meaning it was created

- by people who lived at Caral.
- Yeah. Exactly.

It makes Caral the oldest
radiocarbon-tested

ceremonial complex
in the Americas.

It is quite likely
that the people of Caral

were in some way
connected to the...

Ancient deity called Viracocha,
which we find in other cultures

in Peru and other locations
around the world.

So you're referring to
the so-called staff God, right?

The guy with the two staffs.

Yeah, very much so.

So the staff God
that was found at Caral,

I mean, it's really
the same guy Viracocha,

on the Gate of the Sun
at Tiahuanco, right?

Yeah, very similar.
I mean, of course,

The, uh, depictions
are relatively crude,

but they seem...
It-It seems to depict

the same kind of deity
or ancestor or ancient visitors.

While exploring a
burial site near Caral in 2003,

Archaeologist Alvaro Ruiz
made a remarkable discovery.

One of the artifacts
that is uncovered and recovered

in Caral-supe
is this gourd fragment.

And on this gourd fragment
is an image of this...

what has come
to be called a staff God.

So it's this little guy,
and he's standing holding

what appears to be a staff
in each of his hands.

Incredibly, radiocarbon
dating of the gourd fragment

revealed that it is
roughly 4,300 years old.

The artifact's extraordinary age

suggests the deity drawn on it

was worshipped
by the people of Caral.

But even more astonishing
to archaeologists

is the fact that
the so-called staff God

bears a striking similarity
to a figure

worshiped by the Inca
some 3,000 years later.

The staff God
was a form of Viracocha.

And this is
exactly the same figure

that's seen again and again

in Pre-Columbian Art,

at places like Tiahuanco
on the Gateway of the Sun,

one of the most
important structures

that existed in South America.

There you have
exactly the same figure.

Viracocha was the primary
deity of the Andes

going back
many thousands of years.

He was thought to be the founder
of all the ancient sites

we see in Peru
and Bolivia today,

including Tiahuanco, Cusco,

Sacsayhuam�n, Machu Picchu
and many others.

And he formed them and built
them along this alignment

called the Path of Viracocha

which stretches
southeast to northwest

across the whole country.

This must
have been, in our estimation,

an important symbol because
we see this particular symbol

being reused and adopted

in other places
for several thousand years.

So we see, basically, everything

that becomes civilization,
that become the Inca,

we see in Caral-supe.

It's kind of strange
that, uh, the motif

has remained, which would
suggest that that motif

was incredibly important
to the local populations.

Well, that's
a good point because

that, again,
shows the connection between

The same kind
of deity or ancestor

We see at Tiahuanco or Pumapunku

Or in Cusco itself,

- which is pretty incredible.
- That's pretty amazing.

You know, that...
I mean, that there's

something... that something
has to be said about that.

We, of course, have made
the suggestion Viracocha

may have been some type
of a visitor from another planet

Because also,
the gear that he is wearing,

For all intents and purposes,

looks like
a modern-day astronaut.

- Yeah, true.
- Well, if that were true,

It would tie in to this whole

worship of Viracocha
that can be found

all throughout
Peru and South America.

Yeah, that very much
seems to be the case.

Amazing.

Brien, thank you very much
for your time. It was wonderful

to connect with you,
even if it's like this,

And I cannot wait
to see you again

Face-to-face in person.

That will be a pleasure.
Thanks to all three of you gentlemen.

- Thank you.
- Thanks, Brien. - Okay. Thank you.

And, you know, what a...
See, to me

The whole idea
that this staff God only exists

in south
or Central America... No.

No.
It... that symbolism

or that motif exists

- Worldwide.
- Worldwide.

And it's well known
in Egypt and Sumeria,

- Ancient India.
- Right.

It's interesting,
too, how when you look at

The Viracocha God

at the... on the gate
of the Sun at tiahuanco,

on either side of him

Are these birdmen,
birdmen who can fly.

- Right. And what...
- Coming to him.

And what better
symbolism to signify flight

- Than showing people with wings?
- Right.

You know, I mean, we have the
same thing in ancient sumeria.

- Mm-hmm.
- You know, it is quite possible

that this was symbolism
to signify people

coming from the sky.

Curiously, examples
of Godlike figures

that are depicted
as half man and half bird,

much like the figure of Naylamp

that was worshipped by the
Sican people of Northern Peru,

can be found throughout
the ancient world

from the Anunnaki in Mesopotamia

to the Hindu
God Garuda in India,

The Tengu in Japan,

The Birdmen of Easter Island,

and the Kachinas revered
by numerous tribes

in North America.

There is even a 44,000-year-old
cave painting in Indonesia

that archaeologists
have determined

to be a humanlike figure
with a bird's head.

We also have the local legends,

and they're very clear in saying
that Viracocha came

- and gave instructions, so...
- Right.

- to-to create civilization.
- Yes.

To create these buildings.
All these giant pyramids.

Right.

According to the legends,

the knowledge
of building these things

was given by the so-called
Gods from the stars.

This has been
our argument all along.

that our origin of any of
our ancient civilizations

dates much further back

into our distant past
than what we're being told.

And that these civilizations
all over the world

- are more connected,
- Right.

but, archaeologists
were saying

- They had no contact.
- Right.

But now in South America
they're proving

that's completely wrong,

And all of these cultures
in South America

into the highlands, into
the jungle, all along the coast,

they're all connected,
and we have all the geoglyphs

- All over South America.
- Right.

And, of course, Nazca is
so famous for its geoglyphs,

but Caral has the oldest.

The Nazca lines present
one of Peru's greatest mysteries...

hundreds of massive designs
carved into the desert floor,

created on a scale
to only be understood

from high above the Earth.

It is estimated that the
earliest of these lines,

called geoglyphs,
were made around 500 BC.

But in the year 2000,
while excavating Caral,

Archaeologists
discovered a geoglyph

that they believe
dates to the same period

as the ancient city itself,

which would make it, by far,
the oldest geoglyph

ever found in per...

Its shape is nearly
impossible to discern

from the ground,
but when viewed from the sky,

the profile of a face
is clearly recognizable.

The geoglyph face
is constructed of stones

laid out to
create the figure itself.

It has its mouth open.

It's looking
towards one direction,

and also it has what looks like
kind of wavy hair,

although this could actually be

blood spurting out of its head.

The Caral geoglyph
is the oldest known

in Peru or Bolivia.

It's at least 2,000 years older
than Nazca, maybe more.

and so it does suggest
this was the forerunner

to all the Nazca geoglyphs,
and this maybe even influenced

The Nazca Civilization.

So all of this, again,

seems to suggest
a commonality.

What I might call a super
complex of civilization,

So not just
one civilization in isolation

but a number
of related civilizations

That cover
a very long period in time

And go back to a very
remote period ultimately.

Yeah, you have to wonder
about the geoglyph at Caral

because the geoglyphs at Nazca
are obviously meant to be seen

- from the air by the Gods.
- Right. Right.

So you would think the geoglyph
at Caral has the same meaning.

And I've seen, too,
where Viracocha

supposedly told the Nazca people
to make those lines.

That's one of the legends.

I also think maybe
this is a type of calling card,

And there are other
geoglyphs around the world

that correspond with each other
because you have these lines,

these figures, these,
you know, things wanting

to communicate
with the celestial realm,

And you have
to wonder why because

- Coincidence no longer holds water.
- Right.

When the Nazca lines
were first discovered in 1927,

they were considered
a unique phenomenon.

But in recent years, with the
benefit of satellite imagery,

thousands of ancient geoglyphs

are being found
not just in South America

but all over the world.

In Asia, the middle east,

Africa, North America,

and even Europe.

The fact of the matter is that
we have geoglyphs worldwide.

And so you have to wonder why.

The idea in the Ancient
Astronaut Theory

is fairly simple

and that is that our ancestors,

regardless of ancient cultures,

They were visited
by the same teachers.

There's another famous
glyph, uh, farther south

From Nazca in northern Chile
called the Atacama Giant.

Right.

And it's actually the
largest of all the geoglyphs

In South America,
and he too seems

to be holding a staff,
and has an animal with him.

- Yeah. He's like this, kind of.
- Yeah, like that.

- Yeah. - Uh-huh.
- Right.

Perhaps he's also
uh... a depiction of Viracocha.

To me, the most important
thing about all of this is that

the structures
at Caral correspond

- With the constellation of the Pleiades.
- That's right.

- And so whenever I see stuff like that,
- Okay. That's interesting. Yeah.

it's like, you know,

All right, obviously,

Our ancestors were able
to observe the stars.

Nobody's ever questioned that
or debated that.

The power of observation
was huge and important,

- But why pick the Pleiades?
- That's right.

They call it "heaven's mirror,"
is a term; using the expression

"as above, so below,"
they're trying to create

A physical connection
to these places.

The excavation of Caral

over the past two and a half
decades has produced

a number of
archaeological marvels.

But for Ancient
astronaut Theorists,

one of the most significant,

in terms of possibly
explaining its origins,

is its curious
and seemingly deliberate design.

What has been noticed
about the layout

Of the different structures
and buildings at Caral,

Is that they seem to reflect
the astronomical positions

of the star cluster
known as the Pleiades.

And this seems to be
almost beyond coincidence.

It's almost like a star mirror.

We have the Pleiades in the sky,
and it mirrors on Earth.

It looks just like Caral.

The main pyramid would be
the central star alcyone,

And all the other
structures in the complex

Match all the other stars
in the Pleiades.

So there's-there's a real kind
of theory that's come forward

That they were trying to map
the stars onto the Earth.

For Ancient Astronaut Theorists,

the layout of Caral is made
even more significant

due to the fact
that the Pleiades

was also of central importance
to the Inca,

who would emerge in Peru
more than 3,000 years later.

The Inca had a very
strong connection with the Pleiades.

At their ceremonial center
called the coricancha in Cusco,

The rising
of the Pleiades corresponded

with the planting of crops
in September of each year.

There's even
a real Inca tradition

of the ancestors
coming from the Pleiades.

So we have to question:
Did they actually come from Pleiades?

But it does suggest, especially
along with the Viracocha figure

that was found there,

that much of the Inca tradition,

the technology
and sophistication

may have come from the
Caral-supe civilization.

Could Caral really have
been designed to mirror the Pleiades?

Curiously, it is only
the latest in a long line

of ancient sites
that have been found

to mirror the star cluster,

such as the winterbourne stoke
barrow in England,

The nuragic structures
on the island of Sardinia,

And Chaco Canyon in new Mexico

to name just a few.

The seven pyramids
of Tikal are an example.

The Pyramids of Abusir
in Egypt is another example.

The Tomb Complex
of the Hongwu Emperor,

The founder of the Ming Dynasty,

it mirrors
the pattern of the Pleiades.

It's almost as if these ancient
cultures are signaling to us

or leaving a trail
for us to follow that says,

"this is where
our Gods came from."

Or, "this is where
humans came from, or the place

that we're in fact trying to
ultimately travel or return to."

The Hawaiians say
their royal ancestors

came from the Pleiades.

The Cherokee in east Tennessee
say the same thing.

So divergent cultures are
saying exactly the same thing,

and there's always the message,

"we were visited by beings
who came from this star system."

You have to wonder why.

In this case,
the Pleiades, to me

Suggests that someone wanted to
leave behind a message showing

- Where they came from.
- Exactly.

I think this
is fascinating because

it's basically a calling card.

We're gonna go all
around the planet.

We're gonna build
similar structures.

You're gonna
see our calling card,

And it always wants you
to remember the Pleiades.

I completely agree with you,

And, you know, the fact...
Look, if there was only

- Caral worldwide that had this thing,
- Right.

Then fine,
there's no argument.

But the fact
that there are dozens of examples

like that in ancient times,

That is the point.

You know, this whole excavation
of Caral has put

the entire region
into a new light,

and if you think about it,

This excavation
has only just begun,

So who knows what
we'll discover in the future

and what other keys we'll find.

So are there amazing discoveries

sill to be found in South america?
There may well be.

I absolutely think so
because

there are vast swathes
of areas in South America

where, you know, who knows

what we'll find in the future
because there's nobody there.

In 2019,
archaeologists uncovered

an ancient settlement
in the country of Bolivia,

Just south of Peru,
that dates back

an astonishing 10,600 years.

While excavation
has not revealed

a sophisticated city like Caral,

experts believe
that it is just one

of many ancient sites still left

to be uncovered
in South America.

And that it may only be
a matter of time

before we are forced
to rewrite history once again.

One has to wonder if one day

Archaeology will agree with us.

And I think that this is the direction
we're actually going

Because they've always said,
"oh, you know,

Everything is established,
we kind of know everything."

And the truth of the matter
is... that they don't, and Caral

- has proven this because
- Exactly.

when you look at these pyramids

in different regions
of the world,

they correspond
with each other.

But the depiction of
this staff God, one could argue,

"oh, you know, this is just
a deity holding a staff,"

Or whatever,
but the fact that worldwide...

not just in Tiwanaku,
not just in Caral...

We have this motif of this being
holding two staffs.

- Right. Right.
- That is important.

The message is consistent

that extraterrestrials were not
only intervening but they were

- helping to advance us.
- Well, gentlemen,

this has been
a fascinating conversation,

and you know, this is
what's so great about Peru

and that whole region
because

it continues to give us
new pieces of information.

Look, there can be so much more
to discover, and, no doubt,

It will shock us

even more than
what we found at-at Caral.

We're gonna find something
irrefutable very soon, I think.

- It's gonna change everything.
- Right.

And I really think that,
you know, the more

archaeological evidence
we find

that is connected
to the stars

with a combination of stories

of Gods
that once were here,

it'll only be a matter
of time where even

the most dismissive
archaeologists will have to say,

"Man. Maybe these guys sitting
at this table were right."

Exactly.