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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,466 --> 00:00:08,116 I was onstage. 2 00:00:08,150 --> 00:00:11,070 We go our show through like -- like clockwork. 3 00:00:11,100 --> 00:00:12,380 King: Mm-hmm. 4 00:00:12,416 --> 00:00:15,276 The tiger -- and it grabbed him on the sleeve like this, 5 00:00:15,316 --> 00:00:19,016 and Roy said, "Let go," and the tiger let go. 6 00:00:19,050 --> 00:00:23,130 And Roy went back, and he slipped, tripped. 7 00:00:23,166 --> 00:00:24,346 Oh, he fell? He fell. 8 00:00:24,383 --> 00:00:25,423 Then what? 9 00:00:25,450 --> 00:00:29,050 The tiger took Roy on the neck, 10 00:00:29,083 --> 00:00:33,153 and he pulled him back onstage. 11 00:00:33,183 --> 00:00:35,273 I say it was an accident. 12 00:00:35,300 --> 00:00:39,170 If it would be the tiger would be out for killing Roy, 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,350 it would be in no time. 14 00:00:41,383 --> 00:00:43,353 The tiger would be not anymore. 15 00:00:43,383 --> 00:00:45,353 Do think he was trying to help him? 16 00:00:45,383 --> 00:00:48,173 That's exactly what I think. 17 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:54,270 ♪♪ 18 00:00:54,300 --> 00:01:00,370 ♪♪ 19 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,170 Hi, everyone. Welcome to "How It Really Happened." 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,270 I'm Hill Harper. 21 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:05,480 On the night of October 3, 2003, 22 00:01:06,016 --> 00:01:09,216 Montecore, a 380-pound white tiger, 23 00:01:09,250 --> 00:01:12,450 took down Roy Horn, one of the Kings of Las Vegas, 24 00:01:12,483 --> 00:01:14,233 shuttering the multi-million-dollar 25 00:01:14,266 --> 00:01:16,326 Siegfried & Roy show forever 26 00:01:16,366 --> 00:01:18,426 and sending Roy Horn to the trauma center 27 00:01:18,466 --> 00:01:20,046 to fight for his life. 28 00:01:20,083 --> 00:01:22,073 It was an event that shocked the world, 29 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:24,450 and Siegfried and Roy have maintained ever since 30 00:01:24,483 --> 00:01:28,033 that the tiger was actually trying to help Roy. 31 00:01:28,066 --> 00:01:31,216 Tonight, we will get to the truth of this dangerous illusion 32 00:01:31,250 --> 00:01:34,350 and how it really happened that fateful night. 33 00:01:34,383 --> 00:01:36,333 Less than 24 hours earlier, 34 00:01:36,366 --> 00:01:40,176 Roy Horn had been celebrating his 59th birthday 35 00:01:40,216 --> 00:01:42,226 and was on top of the world. 36 00:01:42,266 --> 00:01:52,076 ♪♪ 37 00:01:52,116 --> 00:01:54,196 Moss: Roy Horn's birthday party was a really big deal 38 00:01:54,233 --> 00:01:55,323 for the people of Las Vegas. 39 00:01:55,350 --> 00:01:57,000 Hello, everybody. 40 00:01:57,033 --> 00:01:59,383 Siegfried and Roy -- they were the stars of the strip. 41 00:01:59,416 --> 00:02:03,076 Everybody was happy, and it was a wonderful time. 42 00:02:03,116 --> 00:02:06,426 And he was glowing. 43 00:02:06,466 --> 00:02:09,026 Thank you. Love you all. 44 00:02:09,066 --> 00:02:12,066 I remember him that night being very joyful, 45 00:02:12,100 --> 00:02:13,200 in a great mood. 46 00:02:13,233 --> 00:02:15,203 There's no way that Roy could have known 47 00:02:15,233 --> 00:02:19,283 that the next day was gonna change his life forever. 48 00:02:19,316 --> 00:02:22,476 [ Sirens wail in distance ] 49 00:02:23,016 --> 00:02:25,996 And now to the spectacle in Las Vegas that ended in horror. 50 00:02:26,033 --> 00:02:29,483 Entertainer Roy Horn of Siegfried & Roy was badly mauled 51 00:02:30,016 --> 00:02:32,396 during last night's performance at the MGM Mirage. 52 00:02:32,433 --> 00:02:34,453 He was attacked by one of his famous white tigers 53 00:02:34,483 --> 00:02:37,123 on the left side of his neck. 54 00:02:37,150 --> 00:02:39,420 At some point, the tiger wasn't doing something 55 00:02:39,450 --> 00:02:41,480 that Roy wanted him to do. 56 00:02:42,016 --> 00:02:44,016 The tiger kind of dragged him down, 57 00:02:44,050 --> 00:02:46,430 and so they were both down on the ground. 58 00:02:46,466 --> 00:02:48,416 Man: We just noticed him pounding with his microphone 59 00:02:48,450 --> 00:02:50,130 on the tiger, like, so hard. 60 00:02:50,166 --> 00:02:51,316 The tiger just grabs him. 61 00:02:51,350 --> 00:02:53,380 Like, it looked to be right around here in this area. 62 00:02:53,416 --> 00:02:54,466 Just locks on him. 63 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,400 And -- boom -- he was, like, hanging. 64 00:02:57,433 --> 00:02:59,023 He looked like a rag doll in his mouth. 65 00:02:59,050 --> 00:03:00,370 I mean, that thing just had him. 66 00:03:04,383 --> 00:03:07,403 The sound of him moaning 67 00:03:07,433 --> 00:03:10,473 was, like, probably the scariest part, 68 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,020 'cause you could tell that he was hurt. 69 00:03:13,050 --> 00:03:17,380 And it seemed impossible -- just not possible. 70 00:03:17,416 --> 00:03:20,216 Jillette: One of the things that's such a tribute to Roy 71 00:03:20,250 --> 00:03:24,470 is that he was so good at what he did that we're all shocked. 72 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,450 He did an incredibly dangerous thing 73 00:03:26,483 --> 00:03:29,023 and did it with such joy, 74 00:03:29,050 --> 00:03:32,180 you thought he was just dealing with giant housecats. 75 00:03:32,216 --> 00:03:35,066 Love you, Roy! Love you, Roy! 76 00:03:35,100 --> 00:03:37,400 Moss: It was a very emotional sight 77 00:03:37,433 --> 00:03:42,083 to see that many people holding candles outside a hospital. 78 00:03:42,116 --> 00:03:44,396 ♪ ...his grace will live... ♪ 79 00:03:44,433 --> 00:03:47,173 Reporter: He had massive blood loss and trouble breathing. 80 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,180 As soon as he got here, he was rolled into emergency surgery. 81 00:03:50,216 --> 00:03:52,416 King: What's the latest, Siegfried, on Roy's condition? 82 00:03:52,450 --> 00:03:56,030 Well, I just left Roy two hours ago. 83 00:03:56,066 --> 00:03:59,296 He responded excellent. 84 00:03:59,333 --> 00:04:04,233 The doctors say it's magic, what's happening. 85 00:04:04,266 --> 00:04:08,196 Moss: And when we knew that it was a matter of rehabilitation, 86 00:04:08,233 --> 00:04:10,033 we had started to hear that, 87 00:04:10,066 --> 00:04:13,346 possibly, the tiger was trying to save Roy. 88 00:04:13,383 --> 00:04:16,383 It was not an attack the way -- 89 00:04:16,416 --> 00:04:19,266 how it always has been described. 90 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:24,120 It was the very beginning of how they spun the story, 91 00:04:24,150 --> 00:04:26,000 how they created the myth. 92 00:04:28,300 --> 00:04:30,000 Yuman: Montecore got distracted. 93 00:04:30,033 --> 00:04:32,153 Roy got distracted. 94 00:04:32,183 --> 00:04:34,333 I don't believe that this was an attack. 95 00:04:34,366 --> 00:04:36,366 I don't believe that Roy was mauled. 96 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,100 I don't want to say there was a cover-up, 97 00:04:38,133 --> 00:04:41,153 but there was certainly an effort to make sure 98 00:04:41,183 --> 00:04:46,453 that what happened to Roy Horn was kept within the family. 99 00:04:46,483 --> 00:04:49,173 Even to Nancy O'Dell and "Entertainment Tonight," 100 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,470 they went so far as to say that the tiger was relieving 101 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,350 some sort of pressure. 102 00:05:01,466 --> 00:05:05,296 This massive animal was, in some way, 103 00:05:05,333 --> 00:05:07,453 trying to save Roy Horn? 104 00:05:07,483 --> 00:05:11,183 Clearly, they had a story line 105 00:05:11,216 --> 00:05:16,076 for how that night happened to Maria Shriver on NBC. 106 00:05:16,116 --> 00:05:19,226 You believe that Montecore realized you were in trouble 107 00:05:19,266 --> 00:05:23,176 and just picked you up and took you offstage for help. 108 00:05:23,216 --> 00:05:26,066 Yeah, that's how wonderful they are. 109 00:05:26,100 --> 00:05:27,170 Goldman: How big are these canines? 110 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,220 I mean, they're, like -- they're big. 111 00:05:28,250 --> 00:05:30,080 Like 3 inches. Like, they're big. 112 00:05:30,116 --> 00:05:33,126 Why did they, you know, plunge that into his neck? 113 00:05:33,166 --> 00:05:35,466 I couldn't begin to understand why they would continue 114 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,470 to perpetuate this myth. 115 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,050 Baum: I think it's an accurate characterization to say 116 00:05:41,083 --> 00:05:43,353 that there was a cover-up. 117 00:05:43,383 --> 00:05:47,003 Bennett: Vegas has long been a town that protects its secrets. 118 00:05:47,033 --> 00:05:48,203 Woman: Right here! This way! 119 00:05:48,233 --> 00:05:49,383 However many years it takes, 120 00:05:49,416 --> 00:05:53,196 the truth should and often does come out. 121 00:05:56,466 --> 00:05:58,276 It took more than a decade 122 00:05:58,316 --> 00:06:00,296 for one of the animal trainers there that night, 123 00:06:00,333 --> 00:06:03,203 Chris Lawrence, to come forward on the "Today" show 124 00:06:03,233 --> 00:06:05,133 and "The Hollywood Reporter" 125 00:06:05,166 --> 00:06:08,466 and break that story line that Siegfried and Roy 126 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,320 and their team had been putting out 127 00:06:10,350 --> 00:06:12,430 and try to shed some light and some truth 128 00:06:12,466 --> 00:06:15,346 on what really happened behind the scenes that evening. 129 00:06:15,383 --> 00:06:19,083 What I loved about the job most was my bond with the cats. 130 00:06:19,116 --> 00:06:24,146 Baum: Chris Lawrence was a seasoned trainer at the Las Vegas show. 131 00:06:24,183 --> 00:06:26,303 Prior to the incident, 132 00:06:26,333 --> 00:06:31,453 Chris Lawrence was very much team Siegfried & Roy. 133 00:06:31,483 --> 00:06:35,183 This is not somebody who was a disgruntled employee 134 00:06:35,216 --> 00:06:36,296 or a dissident. 135 00:06:36,333 --> 00:06:38,123 The most salient fact about him 136 00:06:38,150 --> 00:06:41,320 was that he was the direct trainer 137 00:06:41,350 --> 00:06:43,150 who worked with Montecore, 138 00:06:43,183 --> 00:06:47,153 the tiger that was involved with the attack that night. 139 00:06:47,183 --> 00:06:51,333 Initially, they had planned on using a younger cub, 140 00:06:51,366 --> 00:06:54,216 but Chris thought, "Why don't we use Montecore?" 141 00:06:54,250 --> 00:06:57,180 Montecore was known for being a very large cat 142 00:06:57,216 --> 00:06:59,226 who could vamp a little bit more 143 00:06:59,266 --> 00:07:02,376 and was also such an experienced, seasoned cat 144 00:07:02,416 --> 00:07:04,216 that they thought, "You know what? 145 00:07:04,250 --> 00:07:06,450 There's not gonna be any problems with this one." 146 00:07:06,483 --> 00:07:09,303 Which obviously is ironic in retrospect. 147 00:07:09,333 --> 00:07:10,423 The point that I realized 148 00:07:10,450 --> 00:07:13,270 that things were kind of going sideways 149 00:07:13,300 --> 00:07:17,020 was when Roy turned Montecore around, 150 00:07:17,050 --> 00:07:20,420 and he ended up with his face in Roy's midsection. 151 00:07:20,450 --> 00:07:23,220 Reporter: Lawrence, who was just a few feet away offstage, 152 00:07:23,250 --> 00:07:26,430 says he could see the cat become confused and irritated, 153 00:07:26,466 --> 00:07:28,346 knocking Roy to the ground. 154 00:07:28,383 --> 00:07:31,003 Lawrence says he tried to pull Montecore back, 155 00:07:31,033 --> 00:07:34,453 but the tiger's power threw him off his feet. 156 00:07:34,483 --> 00:07:37,403 Bennett: I can't imagine going against a power 157 00:07:37,433 --> 00:07:42,233 as strong as Siegfried & Roy to talk about something 158 00:07:42,266 --> 00:07:46,346 that no one has dare talked about for more than a decade. 159 00:07:51,116 --> 00:07:55,376 Baum: Tiger trainer Chris Lawrence reached out to me. 160 00:07:55,416 --> 00:07:59,166 "The Hollywood Reporter" had published a report 161 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:04,220 about Siegfried and Roy's intention to do a biopic 162 00:08:04,250 --> 00:08:08,420 that was going to apparently discuss the attack -- 163 00:08:08,450 --> 00:08:11,130 what he felt was a counter-narrative to the truth 164 00:08:11,166 --> 00:08:13,216 about what happened that night. 165 00:08:13,250 --> 00:08:15,080 He was sick of that. 166 00:08:15,116 --> 00:08:17,126 He wanted to set the record straight. 167 00:08:17,166 --> 00:08:18,266 I think it adds to his credibility 168 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:20,300 that he went on the "Today" show. 169 00:08:20,333 --> 00:08:22,353 Reporter: Lawrence says Roy made several mistakes 170 00:08:22,383 --> 00:08:24,283 that he believes were critical. 171 00:08:24,316 --> 00:08:27,326 I think his actions 172 00:08:27,366 --> 00:08:30,266 in trying to possibly save the routine 173 00:08:30,300 --> 00:08:32,370 or rectify the situation 174 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,450 actually ended up complicating it. 175 00:08:36,483 --> 00:08:40,073 Baum: Chris Lawrence was waiting and watching in the wings. 176 00:08:40,100 --> 00:08:44,000 Things, at times in the past, could go wrong. 177 00:08:44,033 --> 00:08:46,183 But Chris was always judging -- 178 00:08:46,216 --> 00:08:48,116 when was the right time to intervene? 179 00:08:48,150 --> 00:08:50,070 Because if you intervene as a trainer, 180 00:08:50,100 --> 00:08:54,100 you are cutting out the illusion. 181 00:08:54,133 --> 00:08:57,303 With the right lighting, you build your sets in a way 182 00:08:57,333 --> 00:09:01,003 where it disguises some of the safety protocol 183 00:09:01,033 --> 00:09:02,223 that's taking place -- 184 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:06,430 possible cables, leashes, ways of restraining an animal. 185 00:09:06,466 --> 00:09:08,116 You just don't see it. 186 00:09:08,150 --> 00:09:09,470 That's why it's called magic. 187 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,180 [ Applause ] 188 00:09:12,216 --> 00:09:16,096 Baum: It's not very entertaining to see somebody dressed in black 189 00:09:16,133 --> 00:09:18,433 who's not Siegfried and Roy coming in, 190 00:09:18,466 --> 00:09:22,366 and it also undercuts the master-of-illusion aspect 191 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,150 of both Siegfried and Roy. 192 00:09:24,183 --> 00:09:26,153 It makes it look like they don't know what they're doing. 193 00:09:26,183 --> 00:09:28,033 And according to Chris, 194 00:09:28,066 --> 00:09:30,266 he'd been admonished by Siegfried and Roy in the past 195 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:35,250 for coming in before he should have. 196 00:09:35,283 --> 00:09:41,133 I won't call them liars. I'll just tell my truth. 197 00:09:41,166 --> 00:09:43,416 Bennett: Chris Lawrence gave an interview to "Inside Edition." 198 00:09:43,450 --> 00:09:47,170 Montecore leapt at Roy and swiped at his legs 199 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:48,380 and took him off of his feet. 200 00:09:48,416 --> 00:09:50,396 How horrifying was that to see up close? 201 00:09:50,433 --> 00:09:52,203 More than I can describe. 202 00:09:52,233 --> 00:09:56,183 And Roy's yelling, "Get him off. Get him off. Get him off." 203 00:09:56,216 --> 00:09:57,376 And it was right about that time 204 00:09:57,416 --> 00:09:59,446 that Montecore bit him in the neck. 205 00:09:59,483 --> 00:10:03,003 Do you think this was human error 206 00:10:03,033 --> 00:10:05,023 that led to this tiger attack? 207 00:10:05,050 --> 00:10:07,150 Yes, I do. 208 00:10:07,183 --> 00:10:11,483 Miller: I'll tell you, when you see an animal attacking somebody, 209 00:10:12,016 --> 00:10:14,116 it's way worse than you would expect. 210 00:10:14,150 --> 00:10:17,070 There's nothing worse. 211 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:18,470 It's scary. 212 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,420 Baum: Chris Lawrence attempted to grab Montecore's leash. 213 00:10:21,450 --> 00:10:23,050 He briefly had it, 214 00:10:23,083 --> 00:10:28,073 but then Montecore attacked and lunged toward Chris. 215 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:30,180 Chris briefly ended up on his back 216 00:10:30,216 --> 00:10:32,426 with Montecore on top of him. 217 00:10:32,466 --> 00:10:34,466 At this point, Chris Lawrence claims 218 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,070 that he had an out-of-body experience 219 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:40,420 and basically saw life pass before his eyes. 220 00:10:40,450 --> 00:10:43,300 I remember vividly thinking, "Here he comes." 221 00:10:43,333 --> 00:10:45,383 There was no telling me he wasn't coming for me. 222 00:10:45,416 --> 00:10:48,316 This is where a lot of his PTSD comes from. 223 00:10:48,350 --> 00:10:52,280 It's a salient moment in his life. 224 00:10:52,316 --> 00:10:55,346 But soon, Montecore left him 225 00:10:55,383 --> 00:11:01,383 and went for the key moment of attack, where he bit Roy 226 00:11:01,416 --> 00:11:04,346 and soon dragged Roy off the stage 227 00:11:04,383 --> 00:11:07,033 with Chris running behind him. 228 00:11:07,066 --> 00:11:08,166 Goldman: It's important. 229 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,130 I mean, it only validates what we knew back in '03, 230 00:11:11,166 --> 00:11:13,226 which was, this was not some life-saving procedure 231 00:11:13,266 --> 00:11:15,146 being done by the tiger. 232 00:11:15,183 --> 00:11:16,303 Baum: Objectively speaking, 233 00:11:16,333 --> 00:11:21,023 Chris Lawrence helped save Roy's life. 234 00:11:21,050 --> 00:11:26,250 He went out there in front of a homicidal tiger 235 00:11:26,283 --> 00:11:30,073 and did his level best to stop him 236 00:11:30,100 --> 00:11:35,000 and came close to dying himself. 237 00:11:35,033 --> 00:11:37,323 One of Chris Lawrence's key claims is that, 238 00:11:37,350 --> 00:11:39,370 in the years leading up to the attack, 239 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,250 there had been a lot less direct contact 240 00:11:42,283 --> 00:11:47,333 between Roy and all of his lions and tigers and leopards. 241 00:11:47,366 --> 00:11:49,276 That kind of contact is throughout the day. 242 00:11:49,316 --> 00:11:51,246 It's feeding those animals treats. 243 00:11:51,283 --> 00:11:53,123 It's taking them for walks. 244 00:11:53,150 --> 00:11:56,020 Behavior that creates a close companionship. 245 00:11:56,050 --> 00:11:58,170 Wherever I am, they're going along with me. 246 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,180 So I am sort of their father figure. 247 00:12:01,216 --> 00:12:04,366 So wherever I am, they are comfortable. 248 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,000 Hello. 249 00:12:06,033 --> 00:12:08,133 Baum: Chris really thinks that this was 250 00:12:08,166 --> 00:12:11,176 a heavily contributing factor to something going wrong. 251 00:12:11,216 --> 00:12:13,076 He claimed that there had been 252 00:12:13,116 --> 00:12:14,396 more of a treating them like props 253 00:12:14,433 --> 00:12:17,133 than doing the inter-species bonding that you need 254 00:12:17,166 --> 00:12:20,166 in order to really have the rapport 255 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,070 to successfully do this kind of program. 256 00:12:23,100 --> 00:12:24,350 After my story, 257 00:12:24,383 --> 00:12:27,453 Siegfried appeared on "Good Morning America." 258 00:12:27,483 --> 00:12:32,033 He decided to hit back on Chris Lawrence's claims. 259 00:12:32,066 --> 00:12:34,346 Chris Lawrence has come forward now, saying -- 260 00:12:34,383 --> 00:12:36,103 I know. 261 00:12:36,133 --> 00:12:38,283 ...that Roy essentially was to blame. 262 00:12:38,316 --> 00:12:40,216 Was he? No way. 263 00:12:40,250 --> 00:12:42,230 And that this story is just a cover 264 00:12:42,266 --> 00:12:44,416 to save the brand and save the image. 265 00:12:44,450 --> 00:12:45,470 What do you say to that? 266 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,330 Well, I feel very sorry for Chris. 267 00:12:49,366 --> 00:12:53,376 He had, in his life, all these problems. 268 00:12:53,416 --> 00:12:55,326 And he vaguely said, "I think he had problems 269 00:12:55,366 --> 00:12:57,196 he didn't know how to address." 270 00:12:57,233 --> 00:13:00,373 But he had no pointed and legitimate response 271 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,150 to the very specific allegations that Chris made. 272 00:13:05,183 --> 00:13:06,433 One of Chris Lawrence's chief complaints 273 00:13:06,466 --> 00:13:10,166 is that his testimony regarding the incident 274 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,070 was kept separate from the USDA. 275 00:13:12,100 --> 00:13:15,220 Only his supervisor's testimony was given to them. 276 00:13:15,250 --> 00:13:17,400 He believes that that was purposeful. 277 00:13:17,433 --> 00:13:21,323 Neal: We relied on the attorneys for Siegfried and Roy 278 00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:24,450 and their management to tell us who was working that night. 279 00:13:24,483 --> 00:13:27,133 And it's a shame that we didn't get the interview 280 00:13:27,166 --> 00:13:29,366 with Chris Lawrence or his statement. 281 00:13:33,016 --> 00:13:35,316 Friess: It's probably very likely that one of these animals 282 00:13:35,350 --> 00:13:38,480 had done something very dangerous in the past, 283 00:13:39,016 --> 00:13:41,026 but nobody ever knew about it. 284 00:13:45,033 --> 00:13:46,423 King: Their incredible act of illusion 285 00:13:46,450 --> 00:13:49,420 has drawn tens of millions of fans. 286 00:13:49,450 --> 00:13:52,320 And they're here with us -- Siegfried and Roy. 287 00:13:52,350 --> 00:13:55,220 The sad part was, we see them on "Larry King." 288 00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:57,450 We have 55 large cats. 289 00:13:57,483 --> 00:14:00,153 King: What's your insurance like? 290 00:14:00,183 --> 00:14:03,003 And they're asked a question, "Anything ever happen?" 291 00:14:03,033 --> 00:14:05,183 King: You must have had accidents. 292 00:14:05,216 --> 00:14:07,316 No, actually, we have been very fortunate. 293 00:14:07,350 --> 00:14:09,130 Are you kidding me? 294 00:14:09,166 --> 00:14:11,326 Smith: Just to say that everything was fine 295 00:14:11,366 --> 00:14:13,316 because no audience members were hurt 296 00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:15,220 is really an incomplete answer. 297 00:14:15,250 --> 00:14:17,270 Salmoni: If you're gonna have that many cats 298 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:19,330 working with people every single day, 299 00:14:19,366 --> 00:14:21,476 it's normal for people to get attacked. 300 00:14:22,016 --> 00:14:24,326 I've had both of my eyes bit. 301 00:14:24,366 --> 00:14:26,266 I've had my cheek bit. 302 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:28,020 I've had my nose torn out. 303 00:14:28,050 --> 00:14:29,320 I've been bit through my hand. 304 00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:31,430 I've been clawed through my forearm, 305 00:14:31,466 --> 00:14:32,996 bit through my shoulder. 306 00:14:33,033 --> 00:14:35,403 The definition of an attack can be anything. 307 00:14:35,433 --> 00:14:39,173 It's really about understanding 308 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,250 how close to out of control it was. 309 00:14:41,283 --> 00:14:47,023 ♪♪ 310 00:14:47,050 --> 00:14:48,220 We were acrobats. 311 00:14:48,250 --> 00:14:50,350 We were called The Seven Alexanders. 312 00:14:50,383 --> 00:14:54,253 And I was trained from the age of 4. 313 00:14:54,283 --> 00:14:57,433 The MGM, at the age of 10 -- that was my debut. 314 00:14:57,466 --> 00:15:01,026 And I was so proud to be working in the show. 315 00:15:01,066 --> 00:15:02,146 It was my first time. 316 00:15:02,183 --> 00:15:03,223 I was really strong. 317 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:05,450 I was vibrant, just excited about life. 318 00:15:05,483 --> 00:15:07,083 And then you had Siegfried & Roy, 319 00:15:07,116 --> 00:15:09,446 who were headlining, in a sense. 320 00:15:09,483 --> 00:15:11,223 They were kind of coming up at that time 321 00:15:11,250 --> 00:15:15,150 and becoming very popular and becoming the stars on the strip. 322 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,180 Smith: On April 29, 1976, 323 00:15:20,216 --> 00:15:24,316 as Siegfried & Roy's cat act was leaving the stage, 324 00:15:24,350 --> 00:15:27,450 Sean and his family were about to go on. 325 00:15:27,483 --> 00:15:29,283 There's a security guard, and he says, 326 00:15:29,316 --> 00:15:30,426 "You guys have to move. 327 00:15:30,466 --> 00:15:32,366 They're gonna start bringing animals in." 328 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:33,480 And I heard a crash. 329 00:15:34,016 --> 00:15:35,346 And I looked. 330 00:15:35,383 --> 00:15:39,473 And I'm staring at the leopard. 331 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,380 The cat saw him, they locked eyes, 332 00:15:43,416 --> 00:15:46,046 and that's when Sean knew he was in a lot of trouble. 333 00:15:46,083 --> 00:15:49,173 I ran down the hallway as fast as I could, and all it -- 334 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,070 [ Snarls ] 335 00:15:52,100 --> 00:15:54,320 ...jumped my back, and it just started biting me, 336 00:15:54,350 --> 00:15:58,000 just tearing into my neck. 337 00:15:58,033 --> 00:16:00,133 Rajnai: He was screaming so hard. 338 00:16:00,166 --> 00:16:04,146 I would run out and what I see is my son. 339 00:16:04,183 --> 00:16:07,323 I mean, my God, there was so much blood. 340 00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:13,030 I tried to get that animal to attack me and let him alone. 341 00:16:13,066 --> 00:16:16,996 I was pulling them both. 342 00:16:17,033 --> 00:16:19,483 And I was screaming, "Open the door." 343 00:16:20,016 --> 00:16:23,246 All the dressing rooms -- they shut the door. 344 00:16:23,283 --> 00:16:25,283 They were scared. 345 00:16:25,316 --> 00:16:27,326 That cat was just now holding on, 346 00:16:27,366 --> 00:16:30,396 instead of chomping down on me and eating me. 347 00:16:30,433 --> 00:16:34,173 That's the only thing I can do is grabbing his hand, 348 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,030 with the animal. 349 00:16:36,066 --> 00:16:40,076 I was pulling them both. 350 00:16:40,116 --> 00:16:45,076 My son was crying and said, "Mama, am I gonna die? 351 00:16:45,116 --> 00:16:46,216 Am I gonna die?" 352 00:16:46,250 --> 00:16:49,070 I said, "No, you're not gonna die. You're not." 353 00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:54,050 Then they came and got the animal and took it away. 354 00:16:54,083 --> 00:16:56,153 And it turned around, and it went [snarls] 355 00:16:56,183 --> 00:16:58,273 and it just was full of blood. 356 00:16:58,300 --> 00:17:01,130 I mean, its face was just drenched in my blood. 357 00:17:02,483 --> 00:17:04,483 [ Monitors beeping ] 358 00:17:05,016 --> 00:17:07,346 It turned out, there was 14 bites, 359 00:17:07,383 --> 00:17:09,183 14 puncture wounds in my head. 360 00:17:09,216 --> 00:17:13,166 The doctor said that I was like that close to being paralyzed. 361 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,230 And I had tubes stuck in there 362 00:17:15,266 --> 00:17:19,326 so they could drain the puncture wounds for weeks. 363 00:17:19,366 --> 00:17:21,466 Yeah, it was bad. 364 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,150 Every little thing was, like, excruciating pain. 365 00:17:25,183 --> 00:17:27,103 It was insane. 366 00:17:27,133 --> 00:17:29,323 Beside my mom saving my life, 367 00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:32,180 the only reason that I did not die that night 368 00:17:32,216 --> 00:17:34,326 was because they'd declawed the leopard. 369 00:17:34,366 --> 00:17:36,446 As it was chomping down on me, 370 00:17:36,483 --> 00:17:40,103 his instinct was to pull and bite and pull and bite, 371 00:17:40,133 --> 00:17:43,183 and if he had claws, he would have got to my heart. 372 00:17:43,216 --> 00:17:45,276 I would have been dead. 373 00:17:45,316 --> 00:17:49,296 After the accident, I was recovering and healing. 374 00:17:49,333 --> 00:17:57,123 Roy never, ever came to the door, said "Sorry." 375 00:17:57,150 --> 00:17:59,100 Never did that. Siegfried did. 376 00:17:59,133 --> 00:18:00,203 He came to the trailer. 377 00:18:00,233 --> 00:18:02,373 We lived in a little trailer at the time. 378 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,070 He brought me a watch. 379 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:08,370 So this is what I got. 380 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:13,180 I got a watch and a box of chocolates, okay? 381 00:18:13,216 --> 00:18:14,996 Doesn't work anymore. 382 00:18:15,033 --> 00:18:17,423 I still have it 44 years later. 383 00:18:17,450 --> 00:18:19,470 But he came, and he apologized. 384 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,400 He said he was sorry. 385 00:18:21,433 --> 00:18:24,033 Obviously, this is a big deal. 386 00:18:24,066 --> 00:18:28,076 Obviously, there's gonna be a lawsuit. 387 00:18:28,116 --> 00:18:32,296 We were all sitting in the law office for the deposition, 388 00:18:32,333 --> 00:18:36,233 and he was like third or fourth down where I was sitting. 389 00:18:36,266 --> 00:18:41,076 And the attorney asked everybody, "What do you think?" 390 00:18:41,116 --> 00:18:47,266 And then Roy goes, "Yeah, and my animal was in shock." 391 00:18:50,016 --> 00:18:55,426 I tell you, the blood just went to my head. 392 00:18:55,466 --> 00:18:57,216 I got up -- I tell you, 393 00:18:57,250 --> 00:19:02,020 I wanted to go and do some scratching on his eyes. 394 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,350 I...I...I go crazy. 395 00:19:06,383 --> 00:19:12,053 Instead of saying, "I felt so bad for this kid," 396 00:19:12,083 --> 00:19:16,033 my child he's talking about, but he didn't. 397 00:19:16,066 --> 00:19:18,176 Just talked about his animal. 398 00:19:18,216 --> 00:19:21,096 It's just unheard of. 399 00:19:21,133 --> 00:19:25,353 From our perspective, from what happened to us, he was cold. 400 00:19:25,383 --> 00:19:27,303 He was a cold guy. 401 00:19:27,333 --> 00:19:31,203 Because he had no remorse, nothing. 402 00:19:31,233 --> 00:19:33,323 It screwed my life up horribly, 403 00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:36,250 because I was afraid of everything after that. 404 00:19:36,283 --> 00:19:39,373 It was psychological, man. It was that PTSD. 405 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,180 It was massive for me. 406 00:19:42,216 --> 00:19:44,416 Afterward, Siegfried and Roy were, shall we say, 407 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:48,130 less than generous with the family, with their time, 408 00:19:48,166 --> 00:19:52,296 and with any kind of willingness to settle in a genuine fashion. 409 00:19:52,333 --> 00:19:53,353 There were some hardships. 410 00:19:53,383 --> 00:19:54,423 You know, in the circus and stuff, 411 00:19:54,450 --> 00:19:55,480 you don't work all the time. 412 00:19:56,016 --> 00:19:59,266 And I remember that we had to dip into savings. 413 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:04,170 And then it took quite a long time to recoup from that. 414 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,430 It was like $75,000 is the lawsuit we settled on, 415 00:20:08,466 --> 00:20:11,346 but that lawyer's fees, the hospital bills, 416 00:20:11,383 --> 00:20:14,223 and all that, we were left with $30,000-some 417 00:20:14,250 --> 00:20:16,000 at the end of the day. 418 00:20:16,033 --> 00:20:20,003 But I couldn't touch that until I was 18. 419 00:20:20,033 --> 00:20:23,223 But they flourished. They made millions. 420 00:20:23,250 --> 00:20:26,120 It hurt us. It set us back a lot. 421 00:20:26,150 --> 00:20:29,270 It did. Nobody -- Nobody reached out. 422 00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:32,020 The story was -- it was a little blurb like this. 423 00:20:32,050 --> 00:20:35,030 The article was literally less than 200 words long. 424 00:20:35,066 --> 00:20:38,216 This story could have been a national news story. 425 00:20:38,250 --> 00:20:40,020 When things can be embarrassing 426 00:20:40,050 --> 00:20:43,070 and that embarrassment can cause trouble to the bottom line, 427 00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:44,320 it didn't surprise me at all 428 00:20:44,350 --> 00:20:48,270 that this received very little coverage. 429 00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:50,380 When something traumatic like this happens to you, 430 00:20:50,416 --> 00:20:52,226 you need to get over it. 431 00:20:52,266 --> 00:20:54,176 At some point, I got over it. 432 00:20:54,216 --> 00:20:56,016 Thankfully, I went on to be an actor. 433 00:20:56,050 --> 00:20:57,320 I was able to use these experiences 434 00:20:57,350 --> 00:21:00,350 and this pain for something good, I suppose. 435 00:21:00,383 --> 00:21:02,173 I directed films. 436 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,370 I'm thankful that I'm able to do that and I'm alive to do it. 437 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,280 By stepping forward, Sean can remind the press 438 00:21:08,316 --> 00:21:10,046 of what its job really is. 439 00:21:10,083 --> 00:21:13,233 And I saw the coverage of Siegfried and Roy 440 00:21:13,266 --> 00:21:16,376 being extremely soft -- that there were no accidents. 441 00:21:16,416 --> 00:21:20,246 You can't keep the truth covered. 442 00:21:20,283 --> 00:21:21,483 Never. 443 00:21:22,016 --> 00:21:24,276 It always prevails. 444 00:21:24,316 --> 00:21:26,266 Briscoe: They know the truth, and so do we, 445 00:21:26,300 --> 00:21:28,380 that there was other things that have happened, 446 00:21:28,416 --> 00:21:31,196 and I have my dad to show that for the truth. 447 00:21:39,033 --> 00:21:40,323 Welcome back to "How it Really Happened." 448 00:21:40,350 --> 00:21:42,050 Siegfried and Roy's story 449 00:21:42,083 --> 00:21:43,273 about their unblemished safety record 450 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:46,470 was, as it turns out, an illusion. 451 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,350 We requested an interview with Chris Lawrence, 452 00:21:48,383 --> 00:21:50,373 but he said he would no longer speak about it publicly 453 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,130 because it triggered his PTSD. 454 00:21:53,166 --> 00:21:54,466 But we found someone else. 455 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,380 In his first national television interview, Charles Flannery, 456 00:21:58,416 --> 00:22:01,316 who worked as a stagehand for Siegfried and Roy 457 00:22:01,350 --> 00:22:03,200 and did some carpentry for them on the side, 458 00:22:03,233 --> 00:22:07,133 reveals that he was attacked while working at their home 459 00:22:07,166 --> 00:22:10,196 by a white tiger named Magic. 460 00:22:10,233 --> 00:22:12,083 Briscoe: When I hear that Siegfried and Roy say 461 00:22:12,116 --> 00:22:14,296 that nothing else ever happened to anybody else, 462 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:16,473 it's like them ignoring my dad. 463 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,250 That's like saying, "You don't exist." 464 00:22:22,316 --> 00:22:25,176 Flannery: In October 30, 1985, 465 00:22:25,216 --> 00:22:30,426 I was attacked by one of Siegfried and Roy's tigers. 466 00:22:30,466 --> 00:22:32,326 We was working over at Siegfried and Roy's house 467 00:22:32,366 --> 00:22:34,376 and we were building an ice cave. 468 00:22:34,416 --> 00:22:37,246 I picked up the tools and was going home. 469 00:22:37,283 --> 00:22:39,133 Siegfried -- I don't know where he was, 470 00:22:39,166 --> 00:22:42,476 but he had a cat out, walking it, talking to my buddy. 471 00:22:43,016 --> 00:22:46,346 Roy was holding the leash, and the leash was let go. 472 00:22:46,383 --> 00:22:48,073 And the next thing they know, 473 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:52,250 the tiger had jumped on my dad's back and bit his neck. 474 00:22:52,283 --> 00:22:54,473 Flannery: I didn't know it till I felt the hot breath on my neck. 475 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,300 I hollered at Roy, 476 00:22:56,333 --> 00:23:00,203 and he came immediately and got the cat off me. 477 00:23:00,233 --> 00:23:04,053 Briscoe: He had his left carotid artery completely severed, 478 00:23:04,083 --> 00:23:08,183 and his right carotid artery was punctured by the tiger's tooth. 479 00:23:08,216 --> 00:23:11,316 Due to the severed artery, he ended up stroking, 480 00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:14,300 and that's usually what causes paralysis -- 481 00:23:14,333 --> 00:23:18,323 and puncturing the vertebrae in the back of the neck, too. 482 00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:20,420 They had him in a medically induced coma. 483 00:23:20,450 --> 00:23:23,420 Flannery: When I woke up, it was about December the 24th. 484 00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:26,270 It was pretty soon after I came out of the coma, 485 00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:29,430 I more or less came to terms that I couldn't move. 486 00:23:29,466 --> 00:23:31,426 Siegfried and Roy came quite often 487 00:23:31,466 --> 00:23:33,316 to the hospital to visit me. 488 00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:36,250 The visits were kind of somber. 489 00:23:36,283 --> 00:23:39,233 Roy was grieving over what had happened. 490 00:23:39,266 --> 00:23:43,296 Siegfried was more just trying 491 00:23:43,333 --> 00:23:45,473 to keep control of the situation. 492 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,150 I believe that Siegfried was angry at Roy 493 00:23:49,183 --> 00:23:52,433 because the whole situation of my dad being attacked 494 00:23:52,466 --> 00:23:54,366 and Roy letting the tiger loose -- 495 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,370 he probably felt that it shouldn't have happened. 496 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,050 Flannery: They said nobody else ever got hurt. 497 00:24:00,083 --> 00:24:03,473 I'd probably disagree with them on that one. 498 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,300 I was in the hospital for six months. 499 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,150 And it left me paralyzed on both sides, partly, 500 00:24:12,183 --> 00:24:14,003 in different ways. 501 00:24:17,033 --> 00:24:20,333 They really never asked me to not say anything, 502 00:24:20,366 --> 00:24:22,346 but I knew that they didn't want me to. 503 00:24:22,383 --> 00:24:25,203 It meant a lot to their show 504 00:24:25,233 --> 00:24:28,233 that anything I said might cause difficulty for them. 505 00:24:28,266 --> 00:24:30,046 In my knowledge, Siegfried and Roy 506 00:24:30,083 --> 00:24:33,333 have never discussed these incidents in public. 507 00:24:33,366 --> 00:24:36,196 I believe there's a nondisclosure agreement 508 00:24:36,233 --> 00:24:38,253 that was signed between Siegfried and Roy 509 00:24:38,283 --> 00:24:40,133 and my parents. 510 00:24:40,166 --> 00:24:42,166 Flannery: I signed an agreement with Siegfried and Roy 511 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,350 that I wouldn't discuss any of the financial orders 512 00:24:45,383 --> 00:24:47,173 that they did for me. 513 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,070 Neal: I would imagine that if they settled out of court 514 00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:53,280 and nobody ever reported it to USDA, 515 00:24:53,316 --> 00:24:57,376 USDA would never have found out about it. 516 00:24:57,416 --> 00:25:00,246 Flannery: Roy is still out advertising they don't bite people, 517 00:25:00,283 --> 00:25:02,133 but they do. 518 00:25:02,166 --> 00:25:04,996 You're talking about a wild animal. 519 00:25:05,033 --> 00:25:08,223 Moss: So, they did admit to Diane Sawyer in 1996 520 00:25:08,250 --> 00:25:12,100 that Siegfried was injured by one of the big cats. 521 00:25:12,133 --> 00:25:15,403 You had a chunk of your arm taken out by a lion, right? 522 00:25:15,433 --> 00:25:19,273 Yes. It was not a chunk. It was just a -- 523 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:20,280 33 stitches? 524 00:25:20,316 --> 00:25:21,366 It was a nip, yes. 525 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,050 But we had, at this time, an illusion 526 00:25:24,083 --> 00:25:27,203 where Roy changes to a lion, and I open up the cage. 527 00:25:27,233 --> 00:25:31,233 And to make it look very ferocious, 528 00:25:31,266 --> 00:25:35,316 so I had a lot of wrestling with the lion. 529 00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:38,030 And went too far with going with playing. 530 00:25:38,066 --> 00:25:40,166 I just got too carried away. 531 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,120 Not one of them has ever really turned on you? 532 00:25:44,150 --> 00:25:46,380 No, I guess I'm very fortunate. 533 00:25:46,416 --> 00:25:51,026 At some point, once a month, I'm sure, one of those cats 534 00:25:51,066 --> 00:25:53,396 started escalating his aggression. 535 00:25:53,433 --> 00:25:56,203 Roy would have seen it and either get a trainer 536 00:25:56,233 --> 00:26:00,053 to get it off or figure out a way to manage that 537 00:26:00,083 --> 00:26:02,083 so it doesn't become a dangerous situation. 538 00:26:02,116 --> 00:26:03,376 That is the skill. 539 00:26:03,416 --> 00:26:06,296 Miller: The longer you work with dangerous animals, 540 00:26:06,333 --> 00:26:10,473 the odds go up that a potential problem could occur. 541 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,280 I've been bit a few times. 542 00:26:12,316 --> 00:26:16,396 So you do this for 10 years, 20, 30 years, 543 00:26:16,433 --> 00:26:18,433 you're pushing the envelope. 544 00:26:18,466 --> 00:26:21,366 Something's gonna happen at some point. 545 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,200 It's not if. 546 00:26:23,233 --> 00:26:25,053 It's when. 547 00:26:27,183 --> 00:26:29,473 Salmoni: I was in a live show with my lion, 548 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,020 who loved audiences, loved me. 549 00:26:32,050 --> 00:26:34,030 He did the same show three times a day. 550 00:26:34,066 --> 00:26:36,226 I spent 13 hours a day with that lion. 551 00:26:36,266 --> 00:26:37,316 For months, three times a day, 552 00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:39,380 he would walk past this little red carpet, 553 00:26:39,416 --> 00:26:43,266 and that day, he wanted to grab it. 554 00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:45,280 When a lion is possessive -- or a tiger -- 555 00:26:45,316 --> 00:26:48,146 they will kill anybody or anything they think 556 00:26:48,183 --> 00:26:51,173 that could take that thing from them. 557 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,020 He was growling at me, whipping his tail at me, 558 00:26:53,050 --> 00:26:54,470 showing me all the body postures of, 559 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,030 "This is mine, Dave!" 560 00:26:56,066 --> 00:26:58,316 He continued his charge far enough back 561 00:26:58,350 --> 00:26:59,270 that I ran out of room. 562 00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:01,020 And he broke my rib cage. 563 00:27:01,050 --> 00:27:03,350 He was about to lunge for my throat, 564 00:27:03,383 --> 00:27:06,373 so, instead, I put my arm in his mouth. 565 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,070 He was thrashing to try and get me off my feet, 566 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:11,370 so the muscles tore out of my forearm, 567 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,350 instead of him being able to keep control of me. 568 00:27:17,016 --> 00:27:21,026 I told the story at least 10 times to 10 different people 569 00:27:21,066 --> 00:27:24,076 within the 24 hours of me being attacked 570 00:27:24,116 --> 00:27:25,446 to when I first saw the video. 571 00:27:25,483 --> 00:27:27,273 You'll see there was a woman onstage with me, 572 00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:28,320 who was my backup. 573 00:27:28,350 --> 00:27:30,120 Her story was different than my story, 574 00:27:30,150 --> 00:27:31,300 my story was different than her stories, 575 00:27:31,333 --> 00:27:33,053 and both of our stories were different 576 00:27:33,083 --> 00:27:36,403 from what we saw on camera, 577 00:27:36,433 --> 00:27:40,103 because your memory in these adrenalized situations 578 00:27:40,133 --> 00:27:41,353 is not correct. 579 00:27:41,383 --> 00:27:44,383 I talked to as many as I possibly could, 580 00:27:44,416 --> 00:27:47,146 and I heard the same story. 581 00:27:47,183 --> 00:27:53,103 And that story was not what Siegfried and Roy claimed. 582 00:27:53,133 --> 00:27:54,483 It was a very simple story. 583 00:27:55,016 --> 00:27:59,126 The tiger seemed to get antagonized 584 00:27:59,166 --> 00:28:01,366 and went for Roy's neck. 585 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,200 Roy was being picked up and tossed around like a rag doll. 586 00:28:06,233 --> 00:28:08,333 And then they went offstage. 587 00:28:08,366 --> 00:28:11,026 Observing the video of the attack 588 00:28:11,066 --> 00:28:13,446 on Roy Horn on October the 3rd, 589 00:28:13,483 --> 00:28:18,323 there's no doubt in my mind that this tiger attacked Roy, 590 00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:22,300 and Montecore was just being a tiger 591 00:28:22,333 --> 00:28:24,333 and didn't want to play anymore. 592 00:28:24,366 --> 00:28:27,346 He was actually attacking. 593 00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:36,270 Bennett: It was a huge cultural phenomenon. 594 00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:37,430 Everyone was talking about it. 595 00:28:37,466 --> 00:28:40,066 Everyone wanted to know, "What went wrong?" 596 00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:43,220 Siegfried and Roy -- the tiger bit the man in the head. 597 00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:47,350 And everybody's mad at the tiger, 598 00:28:47,383 --> 00:28:49,333 talking about the tiger went crazy. 599 00:28:49,366 --> 00:28:51,146 That tiger ain't go crazy. 600 00:28:51,183 --> 00:28:54,453 That tiger went tiger! 601 00:28:54,483 --> 00:28:56,403 Baum: If "A tiger's gonna tiger," 602 00:28:56,433 --> 00:28:59,453 as Chris Rock infamously said months later, 603 00:28:59,483 --> 00:29:02,303 that doesn't go with the illusion, really, 604 00:29:02,333 --> 00:29:06,333 that they had spent so many years carefully concocting. 605 00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:10,030 Salmoni: Why this night? 606 00:29:10,066 --> 00:29:12,046 If he's hugged and kissed Roy for seven years, 607 00:29:12,083 --> 00:29:14,403 why now all of a sudden? 608 00:29:14,433 --> 00:29:17,223 Baum: So, MGM taped their performances, 609 00:29:17,250 --> 00:29:21,370 and MGM allowed the USDA investigators 610 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,250 to look at the video, but they couldn't take possession of it. 611 00:29:24,283 --> 00:29:27,273 We had to make appointments, 612 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:32,100 and we had to do it behind closed, locked doors. 613 00:29:32,133 --> 00:29:33,403 Observing the video... 614 00:29:36,233 --> 00:29:39,103 ...Roy tried to get Montecore to lay down 615 00:29:39,133 --> 00:29:41,403 and tapped him with the microphone. 616 00:29:41,433 --> 00:29:43,303 Montecore grabbed his hand. 617 00:29:43,333 --> 00:29:47,353 Roy kicked him with his boot because he was going after him. 618 00:29:47,383 --> 00:29:50,033 And then the cat grabbed Roy by the neck 619 00:29:50,066 --> 00:29:52,476 and drug him off the stage. 620 00:29:53,016 --> 00:29:56,096 I remember seeing someone run to the curtain 621 00:29:56,133 --> 00:30:00,053 and start grabbing Montecore, trying to get him off of Roy. 622 00:30:00,083 --> 00:30:04,283 The only other USDA inspector in Vegas who saw it said... 623 00:30:19,166 --> 00:30:20,326 The investigators themselves 624 00:30:20,366 --> 00:30:22,446 couldn't definitively say what had happened, right? 625 00:30:22,483 --> 00:30:25,003 Because there was a primary witness, 626 00:30:25,033 --> 00:30:28,033 and it's a tiger, and it doesn't talk, right? 627 00:30:28,066 --> 00:30:32,096 But there aren't many stories, in tiger terms, 628 00:30:32,133 --> 00:30:34,103 that would make sense. 629 00:30:34,133 --> 00:30:37,173 Bennett: Siegfried and Roy always stuck to their story -- 630 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,000 Montecore was protecting Roy. 631 00:30:41,033 --> 00:30:43,383 Salmoni: These animals are not like domestic animals. 632 00:30:43,416 --> 00:30:46,366 They just don't have that kind of behavior in them 633 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,330 to try and save somebody. 634 00:30:48,366 --> 00:30:51,276 It's, like, against their instincts. 635 00:30:51,316 --> 00:30:54,196 I'm a zoologist, animal trainer. 636 00:30:54,233 --> 00:30:56,283 I trained captive tigers how to hunt. 637 00:30:56,316 --> 00:31:00,276 And I've introduced myself into numerous prides of lions. 638 00:31:00,316 --> 00:31:04,166 I've had big cats in my life for the last 20 years or so. 639 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,000 So, the story of protection doesn't add up 640 00:31:07,033 --> 00:31:08,453 in any way at all. 641 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,220 In this case, you can't say an animal's protecting you 642 00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:13,350 if he's sunk his teeth into your body. 643 00:31:13,383 --> 00:31:16,233 Montecore gets up, cool as a cucumber, 644 00:31:16,266 --> 00:31:20,226 leans over, and picks up Roy like a cub, 645 00:31:20,266 --> 00:31:22,066 on the right side of his neck. 646 00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:25,400 The tiger knows how to use his teeth. 647 00:31:25,433 --> 00:31:29,153 I know that one of the canines went through his scapula. 648 00:31:29,183 --> 00:31:33,253 To bite someone through their scapula takes so much pressure. 649 00:31:33,283 --> 00:31:35,453 That tiger knows exactly what he's doing. 650 00:31:35,483 --> 00:31:38,003 And, clearly, evolutionarily, 651 00:31:38,033 --> 00:31:40,223 tigers have to know how much pressure to use in their jaw 652 00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:43,270 to carry around a little cub. 653 00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:45,280 They're fragile when they're born. 654 00:31:45,316 --> 00:31:48,226 And the mother, who can kill a buffalo, 655 00:31:48,266 --> 00:31:51,076 walks around with them in her mouth all the time. 656 00:31:51,116 --> 00:31:55,246 Bennet: Roy maintained this idea of a nurturing male tiger to ABC. 657 00:31:55,283 --> 00:32:01,233 So you think that he picked you up as tigers do their cubs. 658 00:32:01,266 --> 00:32:02,476 With the cubs, yeah. 659 00:32:03,016 --> 00:32:05,116 Miller: Dad is never around the cubs. 660 00:32:05,150 --> 00:32:06,330 He'll eat the cubs. 661 00:32:06,366 --> 00:32:10,346 Mom will kill Dad and keep Dad away from cubs. 662 00:32:10,383 --> 00:32:12,073 So Montecore, a male tiger, 663 00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:14,350 would never be walking a cub around, 664 00:32:14,383 --> 00:32:17,253 because males aren't in that situation. 665 00:32:19,333 --> 00:32:23,283 There's no stories that add up as easily as 666 00:32:23,316 --> 00:32:27,196 tiger just wanted to challenge for dominance that night. 667 00:32:27,233 --> 00:32:28,403 We know Montecore was 7. 668 00:32:28,433 --> 00:32:31,233 We know for sure, at 7, that's the prime of their life. 669 00:32:31,266 --> 00:32:34,146 You're the dominant one in its life, and one day, 670 00:32:34,183 --> 00:32:36,273 it wakes up with just a little bit more testosterone 671 00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:38,000 than it had yesterday, 672 00:32:38,033 --> 00:32:39,223 and, "Now that I'm the big, strong tiger, 673 00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:41,000 you're not gonna tell me what to do." 674 00:32:41,033 --> 00:32:44,123 But, as a human, you won't have seen the difference 675 00:32:44,150 --> 00:32:45,180 between Tuesday and Wednesday. 676 00:32:45,216 --> 00:32:46,996 King: And these tigers can be dangerous, right? 677 00:32:47,033 --> 00:32:48,103 Tigers can be -- of course. 678 00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:49,323 It's a 650-pound -- 679 00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:51,350 you know, and they're very demanding. 680 00:32:51,383 --> 00:32:53,423 It's a very demanding -- as you know -- 681 00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:55,220 They go where they want to go. 682 00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:58,080 Salmoni: Very likely, the tiger was challenging for dominance. 683 00:32:58,116 --> 00:33:01,146 Roy accepted that challenge by bopping it on the nose. 684 00:33:01,183 --> 00:33:04,253 Then the tiger escalated, which was very normal tiger behavior. 685 00:33:04,283 --> 00:33:08,083 He says, "Well, if we're gonna fight, we're gonna fight." 686 00:33:08,116 --> 00:33:10,166 Once the challenge was accepted, 687 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,300 the tiger escalated into a bite up here. 688 00:33:14,333 --> 00:33:18,133 As soon as the tiger bit Roy, Roy somehow got underneath him. 689 00:33:18,166 --> 00:33:21,476 Once Roy stops fighting back, the fight for dominance is over. 690 00:33:22,016 --> 00:33:23,316 The tiger is now dominant. 691 00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:25,280 He's won that fight. 692 00:33:25,316 --> 00:33:27,026 "I'm the boss now." 693 00:33:27,066 --> 00:33:30,166 Once they get ahold of something, including a person -- 694 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,130 and even someone they love -- 695 00:33:32,166 --> 00:33:34,146 they will become possessive over it. 696 00:33:34,183 --> 00:33:37,373 And the longer they possess this thing, 697 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,150 the more dangerous they will become, and they become deadly, 698 00:33:41,183 --> 00:33:44,273 and they'll hang on as hard as they have to. 699 00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,120 They won't let it go. 700 00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:50,180 And then it's on. 701 00:33:52,433 --> 00:33:56,373 That tiger will fight to the death to not give up 702 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,430 whatever he's got ahold of and is possessive over. 703 00:33:59,466 --> 00:34:01,246 It's just the way they are. 704 00:34:01,283 --> 00:34:03,373 Roy's a handler, not a trainer. 705 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,320 So he's got his actual trainers in the background somewhere, 706 00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:07,400 and they're gonna be coming out to try 707 00:34:07,433 --> 00:34:09,303 and take Roy from him. 708 00:34:09,333 --> 00:34:11,053 So that's when all the possessive behavior 709 00:34:11,083 --> 00:34:12,223 is gonna start coming on. 710 00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:16,380 At that point, according to Chris, 711 00:34:16,416 --> 00:34:22,126 there was a continued mayhem, where Chris' supervisor, 712 00:34:22,166 --> 00:34:24,216 the head of the animal-handling team, 713 00:34:24,250 --> 00:34:29,020 had to move into, essentially, a jaw-opening exercise 714 00:34:29,050 --> 00:34:32,120 that they had practiced in the past 715 00:34:32,150 --> 00:34:35,180 where both index fingers are put inside of them 716 00:34:35,216 --> 00:34:37,426 in order to get their mouths to open up. 717 00:34:37,466 --> 00:34:41,246 Someone did grab the tail, tried to pull Montecore, 718 00:34:41,283 --> 00:34:43,333 and they had another individual 719 00:34:43,366 --> 00:34:49,196 trying to pry Montecore's teeth from Roy's neck. 720 00:34:49,233 --> 00:34:51,203 I believe it was a fire extinguisher 721 00:34:51,233 --> 00:34:54,273 that actually got him to let go. 722 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:58,270 Baum: They were able to work on Montecore, 723 00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:00,480 walk him into circles, and calm him down, 724 00:35:01,016 --> 00:35:05,026 and separately drag Roy into another area offstage 725 00:35:05,066 --> 00:35:08,096 and begin administering first aid. 726 00:35:08,133 --> 00:35:10,433 In my opinion, it was not a stroke. 727 00:35:10,466 --> 00:35:14,076 It was an attack on Roy from Montecore. 728 00:35:14,116 --> 00:35:16,016 And I still stand by that. 729 00:35:16,050 --> 00:35:18,300 There's truth in illusion to them, 730 00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:23,103 and saying that Montecore didn't attack Roy 731 00:35:23,133 --> 00:35:27,373 but was actually trying to help him is itself an illusion 732 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,020 in the tradition of Siegfried & Roy. 733 00:35:37,433 --> 00:35:39,323 Horn: This is the white-tiger cub. 734 00:35:39,350 --> 00:35:43,480 They are already -- the species was extinct in the wild. 735 00:35:44,016 --> 00:35:46,116 And it's Siegfried and my biggest goal -- 736 00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:47,470 to save this white tiger. 737 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,200 Friess: Siegfried and Roy positioned themselves 738 00:35:50,233 --> 00:35:54,233 as these saviors of a rare species 739 00:35:54,266 --> 00:36:00,346 that was somehow losing the survival battle in the wild. 740 00:36:00,383 --> 00:36:04,423 That claim itself was a lie. 741 00:36:04,450 --> 00:36:08,400 The white tiger was not a separate species of any sort. 742 00:36:11,233 --> 00:36:16,133 Salmoni: White tigers are just a genetic recessive gene 743 00:36:16,166 --> 00:36:18,376 that affects the coloration of the cat. 744 00:36:18,416 --> 00:36:21,476 Being white in a jungle isn't gonna help you hide 745 00:36:22,016 --> 00:36:23,326 and sneak up on things. 746 00:36:25,433 --> 00:36:28,473 Friess: And the effort to save them 747 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,220 was actually an effort to inbreed them. 748 00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:33,280 Because of the recessive genes, 749 00:36:33,316 --> 00:36:38,196 they had to breed them within very close family relatives. 750 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,320 Many of the animals that are born have all kinds 751 00:36:45,350 --> 00:36:47,150 of genetic problems -- 752 00:36:47,183 --> 00:36:52,183 cleft tongues and scoliosis and other medical conditions. 753 00:36:52,216 --> 00:36:59,196 It's not this great, heroic feat to save the white tigers 754 00:36:59,233 --> 00:37:01,083 when you're breeding an animal 755 00:37:01,116 --> 00:37:07,116 that you are deliberately risking genetic chaos for. 756 00:37:07,150 --> 00:37:12,150 ♪♪ 757 00:37:12,183 --> 00:37:14,473 Basically, we have our own breeding program. 758 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,270 The white tiger was already extinct in the wild. 759 00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:20,120 We work to get them at different zoos. 760 00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:22,020 Salmoni: There is no genetic benefit, 761 00:37:22,050 --> 00:37:26,250 from a conservational point of view, to saving white tigers. 762 00:37:26,283 --> 00:37:28,383 This is a happy day for Siegfried and Roy. 763 00:37:28,416 --> 00:37:31,046 I think that what we need to be concerned about 764 00:37:31,083 --> 00:37:32,253 is genetic diversity, 765 00:37:32,283 --> 00:37:34,333 which is the opposite of what comes with a white tiger. 766 00:37:34,366 --> 00:37:37,046 They felt that it was sort of a lie 767 00:37:37,083 --> 00:37:39,133 for a kind of a higher purpose. 768 00:37:39,166 --> 00:37:42,376 One of the most important things for public figures with wildlife 769 00:37:42,416 --> 00:37:47,226 is to impress upon people how amazing animals are. 770 00:37:47,266 --> 00:37:51,216 People have to get involved and to appreciate nature, 771 00:37:51,250 --> 00:37:55,200 because when they appreciate nature, they can defend it. 772 00:37:55,233 --> 00:37:58,353 Then after you see how beautiful this tiger is or this lion is, 773 00:37:58,383 --> 00:38:01,273 regardless of the color, that's how you motivate someone 774 00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:03,300 to becoming interested in conservation. 775 00:38:03,333 --> 00:38:06,173 I really felt like they, over the years, 776 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:11,200 did a great job bringing awareness to tigers in general. 777 00:38:15,183 --> 00:38:17,073 Bennett: Montecore was not put down. 778 00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:19,400 He lived on Siegfried and Roy's properties. 779 00:38:19,433 --> 00:38:21,173 He continued to be cared for. 780 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,280 He was still very much loved, as Roy told Maria Shriver. 781 00:38:25,316 --> 00:38:28,096 Roy, I know you see Montecore every week. 782 00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:29,233 Yes. 783 00:38:29,266 --> 00:38:33,166 How would you describe your relationship with him today? 784 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,130 He's my baby. 785 00:38:35,166 --> 00:38:36,396 You're not mad at him? 786 00:38:36,433 --> 00:38:38,133 No. He saved my life. 787 00:38:38,166 --> 00:38:40,266 I think what's more important here is, 788 00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:42,300 you know, these are alternative facts. 789 00:38:42,333 --> 00:38:45,183 It's a distortion of what really happened, 790 00:38:45,216 --> 00:38:47,376 and it undermines the truth. 791 00:38:47,416 --> 00:38:50,176 Miller: They believed that was the way to protect Montecore, 792 00:38:50,216 --> 00:38:52,376 and I really think that that's where it all came from. 793 00:38:52,416 --> 00:38:55,226 But I think the truth is more important. 794 00:38:55,266 --> 00:39:00,216 It doesn't bother me, even as a journalist, if they needed to, 795 00:39:00,250 --> 00:39:04,330 in some way, tweak the story a little bit in their favor, 796 00:39:04,366 --> 00:39:07,146 because they are an institution 797 00:39:07,183 --> 00:39:12,353 and they had had successes for so long with wild animals. 798 00:39:12,383 --> 00:39:17,233 Clearly, they had a story line for how the attack happened, 799 00:39:17,266 --> 00:39:19,426 how the accident happened, 800 00:39:19,466 --> 00:39:23,076 because that's what I believe Roy believes. 801 00:39:23,116 --> 00:39:25,196 There could have been a very, I think, impactful 802 00:39:25,233 --> 00:39:30,183 and important discussion about how, you know, 803 00:39:30,216 --> 00:39:33,116 man and beast are allowed to entertain together. 804 00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:36,430 [ Vocalizing ] 805 00:39:36,466 --> 00:39:38,276 And I think that did a disservice 806 00:39:38,316 --> 00:39:41,996 to the animals in a way. 807 00:39:42,033 --> 00:39:44,333 Roy Horn has a responsibility to explain 808 00:39:44,366 --> 00:39:47,466 to people that hugging and kissing tigers is wonderful, 809 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,130 but they're terrible pets. 810 00:39:50,166 --> 00:39:52,226 You know, we take the chances. 811 00:39:52,266 --> 00:39:54,046 We walk them on leashes. 812 00:39:54,083 --> 00:39:55,203 They haven't evolved to walk on a leash. 813 00:39:55,233 --> 00:39:57,183 They haven't evolved to hug and kiss me. 814 00:39:57,216 --> 00:40:00,016 These are wild animals, and we are willing 815 00:40:00,050 --> 00:40:04,120 to take the risks because we love it. 816 00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:06,420 The real story should start with these are not pets. 817 00:40:06,450 --> 00:40:09,280 These are wild animals doing wild-animal things. 818 00:40:09,316 --> 00:40:14,016 Bennett: In 2014, Montecore died at the Secret Garden at the Mirage, 819 00:40:14,050 --> 00:40:17,330 after a relatively long life -- 17 years old. 820 00:40:17,366 --> 00:40:21,366 And on ABC, Roy Horn admitted how different his life is now. 821 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,080 Well, yeah, there's a little bit of a setback now 822 00:40:24,116 --> 00:40:26,266 because of my condition. 823 00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:30,200 I'm not that quick like I used to be. 824 00:40:30,233 --> 00:40:36,053 Bennett: Siegfried and Roy came together in 2009 to do a final act, 825 00:40:36,083 --> 00:40:38,373 and it was the first time since the accident 826 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,320 that they performed. 827 00:40:40,350 --> 00:40:45,120 And although it was heroic and he had trouble walking, 828 00:40:45,150 --> 00:40:49,000 it was that sad happy that you sometimes get 829 00:40:49,033 --> 00:40:50,103 when you see something like that. 830 00:40:50,133 --> 00:40:53,103 You're so happy that the person is alive 831 00:40:53,133 --> 00:40:54,433 and there and standing before you, 832 00:40:54,466 --> 00:40:56,146 but you're so sad 833 00:40:56,183 --> 00:40:59,353 that they're so different from what they were. 834 00:41:03,150 --> 00:41:04,270 By sticking to their story 835 00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:06,150 that Montecore was protecting Roy Horn 836 00:41:06,183 --> 00:41:07,383 on that fateful October night, 837 00:41:07,416 --> 00:41:10,416 Siegfried and Roy may have perpetuated the myth 838 00:41:10,450 --> 00:41:13,080 that tigers can make loving pets. 839 00:41:13,116 --> 00:41:15,326 The proliferation of tigers in captivity continues 840 00:41:15,366 --> 00:41:19,246 to be a national problem, with an estimated 7,000 tigers 841 00:41:19,283 --> 00:41:21,053 owned privately in the United States -- 842 00:41:21,083 --> 00:41:24,073 more than those living in the wild in India. 843 00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:26,250 We reached out numerous times to Siegfried and Roy, 844 00:41:26,283 --> 00:41:28,403 their former manager, Bernie Yuman, Steve Wynn, 845 00:41:28,433 --> 00:41:30,433 Feld Entertainment, and MGM Resorts. 846 00:41:30,466 --> 00:41:32,996 They all declined to comment. 847 00:41:33,033 --> 00:41:36,403 Roy Horn only performed publicly again one final time, 848 00:41:36,433 --> 00:41:40,223 in 2009, to benefit the Lou Ruvo Brain Institute. 849 00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:43,320 Despite his impaired speech and major physical challenges, 850 00:41:43,350 --> 00:41:47,220 he pushed himself every day to communicate and to keep moving. 851 00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:51,020 But, sadly, in April 2020, his publicist confirmed 852 00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:54,280 that Roy Horn had tested positive for COVID-19. 853 00:41:54,316 --> 00:41:59,116 And on the 8th of May 2020, the real tiger King of Las Vegas 854 00:41:59,150 --> 00:42:02,030 lost his fight against COVID-19. 855 00:42:02,066 --> 00:42:06,116 The legendary Roy Horn was 75 years old. 856 00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:08,050 Thanks for watching. 857 00:42:08,083 --> 00:42:09,433 Good night. 68282

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