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I was onstage.
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We go our show through like --
like clockwork.
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King: Mm-hmm.
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The tiger -- and it grabbed him
on the sleeve like this,
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and Roy said, "Let go,"
and the tiger let go.
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And Roy went back,
and he slipped, tripped.
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Oh, he fell?
He fell.
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Then what?
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The tiger took Roy
on the neck,
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and he pulled him
back onstage.
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I say
it was an accident.
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If it would be the tiger
would be out for killing Roy,
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it would be in no time.
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The tiger would be
not anymore.
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Do think he was trying
to help him?
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That's exactly
what I think.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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Hi, everyone. Welcome to
"How It Really Happened."
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I'm Hill Harper.
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On the night
of October 3, 2003,
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Montecore, a 380-pound
white tiger,
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took down Roy Horn,
one of the Kings of Las Vegas,
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shuttering the
multi-million-dollar
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Siegfried & Roy show forever
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and sending Roy Horn
to the trauma center
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to fight for his life.
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It was an event
that shocked the world,
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and Siegfried and Roy
have maintained ever since
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that the tiger
was actually trying to help Roy.
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Tonight, we will get to the
truth of this dangerous illusion
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and how it really happened
that fateful night.
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Less than 24 hours earlier,
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Roy Horn had been celebrating
his 59th birthday
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and was on top of the world.
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♪♪
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Moss: Roy Horn's birthday party
was a really big deal
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for the people of Las Vegas.
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Hello, everybody.
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Siegfried and Roy -- they were
the stars of the strip.
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Everybody was happy,
and it was a wonderful time.
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And he was glowing.
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Thank you.
Love you all.
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I remember him that night
being very joyful,
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in a great mood.
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There's no way that Roy
could have known
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that the next day was gonna
change his life forever.
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[ Sirens wail in distance ]
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And now to the spectacle in
Las Vegas that ended in horror.
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Entertainer Roy Horn of
Siegfried & Roy was badly mauled
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during last night's performance
at the MGM Mirage.
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He was attacked by one
of his famous white tigers
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on the left side of his neck.
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At some point, the tiger
wasn't doing something
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that Roy wanted him to do.
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The tiger kind of
dragged him down,
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and so they were both down
on the ground.
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Man: We just noticed him
pounding with his microphone
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on the tiger, like, so hard.
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The tiger just grabs him.
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Like, it looked to be
right around here in this area.
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Just locks on him.
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And -- boom --
he was, like, hanging.
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He looked like a rag doll
in his mouth.
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I mean, that thing
just had him.
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The sound of him moaning
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was, like,
probably the scariest part,
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'cause you could tell
that he was hurt.
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And it seemed impossible --
just not possible.
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Jillette: One of the things
that's such a tribute to Roy
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is that he was so good at what
he did that we're all shocked.
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He did an incredibly
dangerous thing
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and did it with such joy,
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you thought he was just dealing
with giant housecats.
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Love you, Roy!
Love you, Roy!
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Moss:
It was a very emotional sight
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to see that many people holding
candles outside a hospital.
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♪ ...his grace
will live... ♪
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Reporter: He had massive blood
loss and trouble breathing.
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As soon as he got here, he was
rolled into emergency surgery.
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King: What's the latest,
Siegfried, on Roy's condition?
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Well, I just left Roy
two hours ago.
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He responded excellent.
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The doctors say it's magic,
what's happening.
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Moss: And when we knew that it
was a matter of rehabilitation,
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we had started to hear that,
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possibly, the tiger
was trying to save Roy.
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It was not an attack the way --
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how it always
has been described.
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It was the very beginning
of how they spun the story,
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how they created the myth.
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Yuman:
Montecore got distracted.
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Roy got distracted.
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I don't believe that
this was an attack.
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I don't believe
that Roy was mauled.
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I don't want to say
there was a cover-up,
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but there was certainly
an effort to make sure
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that what happened to Roy Horn
was kept within the family.
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Even to Nancy O'Dell
and "Entertainment Tonight,"
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they went so far as to say
that the tiger was relieving
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some sort of pressure.
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This massive animal was,
in some way,
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trying to save Roy Horn?
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Clearly, they had a story line
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for how that night happened
to Maria Shriver on NBC.
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You believe that Montecore
realized you were in trouble
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and just picked you up
and took you offstage for
help.
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Yeah, that's how wonderful
they are.
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Goldman:
How big are these canines?
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I mean, they're, like --
they're big.
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Like 3 inches.
Like, they're big.
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Why did they, you know,
plunge that into his neck?
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I couldn't begin to understand
why they would continue
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to perpetuate this myth.
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Baum: I think it's an accurate
characterization to say
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that there was a cover-up.
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Bennett: Vegas has long been a
town that protects its secrets.
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Woman: Right here!
This way!
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However many years it takes,
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the truth should
and often does come out.
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It took more than a decade
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for one of the animal trainers
there that night,
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Chris Lawrence, to come forward
on the "Today" show
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and "The Hollywood Reporter"
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and break that story line
that Siegfried and Roy
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and their team
had been putting out
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and try to shed some light
and some truth
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on what really happened
behind the scenes that evening.
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What I loved about the job most
was my bond with the cats.
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Baum:
Chris Lawrence was a seasoned
trainer at the Las Vegas show.
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Prior to the incident,
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Chris Lawrence was very
much team Siegfried & Roy.
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This is not somebody
who was a disgruntled employee
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or a dissident.
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The most salient fact about him
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was that he was
the direct trainer
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who worked with Montecore,
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the tiger that was involved
with the attack that night.
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Initially, they had planned
on using a younger cub,
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but Chris thought,
"Why don't we use Montecore?"
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Montecore was known for
being a very large cat
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who could vamp
a little bit more
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and was also such an
experienced, seasoned cat
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that they thought,
"You know what?
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There's not gonna be
any problems with this one."
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Which obviously is ironic
in retrospect.
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The point that I realized
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that things were
kind of going sideways
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was when Roy turned
Montecore around,
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and he ended up with his face
in Roy's midsection.
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Reporter: Lawrence, who was just
a few feet away offstage,
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says he could see the cat
become confused and irritated,
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knocking Roy to the ground.
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Lawrence says he tried
to pull Montecore back,
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but the tiger's power
threw him off his feet.
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Bennett: I can't imagine
going against a power
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as strong as Siegfried & Roy
to talk about something
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that no one has dare talked
about for more than a decade.
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Baum:
Tiger trainer Chris Lawrence
reached out to me.
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"The Hollywood Reporter"
had published a report
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about Siegfried and Roy's
intention to do a biopic
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that was going to apparently
discuss the attack --
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what he felt was
a counter-narrative to the truth
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about what happened that night.
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He was sick of that.
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He wanted to set
the record straight.
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I think it adds
to his credibility
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that he went
on the "Today" show.
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Reporter: Lawrence says
Roy made several mistakes
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that he believes
were critical.
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I think his actions
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in trying to possibly
save the routine
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or rectify the situation
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actually ended up
complicating it.
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Baum: Chris Lawrence was waiting
and watching in the wings.
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Things, at times in the past,
could go wrong.
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But Chris was always judging --
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when was the right time
to intervene?
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Because if you intervene
as a trainer,
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you are cutting out
the illusion.
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With the right lighting,
you build your sets in a way
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where it disguises
some of the safety protocol
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that's taking place --
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possible cables, leashes,
ways of restraining an animal.
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You just don't see it.
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That's why it's called magic.
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[ Applause ]
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Baum: It's not very entertaining
to see somebody dressed in black
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who's not Siegfried
and Roy coming in,
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and it also undercuts
the master-of-illusion aspect
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of both Siegfried and Roy.
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It makes it look like they don't
know what they're doing.
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And according to Chris,
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he'd been admonished by
Siegfried and Roy in the past
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for coming in
before he should have.
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I won't call them liars.
I'll just tell my truth.
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Bennett: Chris Lawrence gave an
interview to "Inside Edition."
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Montecore leapt at Roy
and swiped at his legs
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and took him
off of his feet.
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How horrifying was that
to see up close?
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More than I can describe.
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And Roy's yelling, "Get him
off.
Get him off. Get him off."
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And it was right
about that time
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that Montecore bit him
in the neck.
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Do you think
this was human error
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that led to this
tiger attack?
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Yes, I do.
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Miller:
I'll tell you, when you see
an animal attacking somebody,
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it's way worse
than you would expect.
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There's nothing worse.
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It's scary.
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Baum: Chris Lawrence attempted
to grab Montecore's leash.
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He briefly had it,
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but then Montecore attacked
and lunged toward Chris.
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Chris briefly ended up
on his back
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with Montecore on top of him.
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At this point,
Chris Lawrence claims
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that he had
an out-of-body experience
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and basically saw life
pass before his eyes.
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I remember vividly thinking,
"Here he comes."
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There was no telling me
he wasn't coming for me.
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This is where a lot of his PTSD
comes from.
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It's a salient moment
in his life.
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But soon, Montecore left him
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and went for the key moment
of attack, where he bit Roy
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and soon dragged Roy
off the stage
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with Chris running behind him.
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Goldman: It's important.
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I mean, it only validates
what we knew back in '03,
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which was, this was not
some life-saving procedure
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being done by the tiger.
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Baum: Objectively speaking,
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Chris Lawrence helped
save Roy's life.
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He went out there in front
of a homicidal tiger
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and did his level best
to stop him
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and came close to dying himself.
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One of Chris Lawrence's key
claims is that,
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in the years leading up
to the attack,
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there had been a lot less
direct contact
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between Roy and all of his lions
and tigers and leopards.
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That kind of contact
is throughout the day.
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It's feeding those animals
treats.
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It's taking them for walks.
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Behavior that creates
a close companionship.
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Wherever I am,
they're going along with me.
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So I am sort of
their father figure.
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So wherever I am,
they are comfortable.
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Hello.
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Baum: Chris really thinks
that this was
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a heavily contributing factor
to something going wrong.
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He claimed that there had been
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more of a treating them
like props
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than doing the inter-species
bonding that you need
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in order to really have
the rapport
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to successfully do
this kind of program.
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After my story,
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Siegfried appeared
on "Good Morning America."
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He decided to hit back
on Chris Lawrence's claims.
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Chris Lawrence has come forward
now, saying --
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I know.
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...that Roy essentially
was to blame.
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Was he?
No way.
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And that this story
is just a cover
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to save the brand
and save the image.
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What do you say to that?
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Well, I feel very sorry
for Chris.
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He had, in his life,
all these problems.
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And he vaguely said,
"I think he had problems
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he didn't know how to address."
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But he had no pointed
and legitimate response
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to the very specific allegations
that Chris made.
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One of Chris Lawrence's
chief complaints
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is that his testimony
regarding the incident
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was kept separate from the USDA.
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Only his supervisor's
testimony was given to them.
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He believes that
that was purposeful.
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Neal: We relied on the attorneys
for Siegfried and Roy
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and their management to tell us
who was working that night.
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And it's a shame that we didn't
get the interview
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with Chris Lawrence
or his statement.
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Friess: It's probably very
likely that one of these animals
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had done something
very dangerous in the past,
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but nobody ever knew about it.
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King:
Their incredible act of illusion
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has drawn tens of millions
of fans.
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And they're here with us --
Siegfried and Roy.
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The sad part was,
we see them on "Larry King."
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We have 55 large cats.
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King:
What's your insurance like?
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And they're asked a question,
"Anything ever happen?"
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King: You must have had
accidents.
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No, actually,
we have been very fortunate.
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Are you kidding me?
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Smith: Just to say
that everything was fine
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because no audience members
were hurt
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is really an incomplete answer.
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Salmoni: If you're gonna have
that many cats
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working with people
every single day,
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it's normal
for people to get attacked.
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I've had both of my eyes bit.
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I've had my cheek bit.
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I've had my nose torn out.
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I've been bit through my hand.
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I've been clawed
through my forearm,
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bit through my shoulder.
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The definition of an attack
can be anything.
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It's really about understanding
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how close
to out of control it was.
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♪♪
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We were acrobats.
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We were called
The Seven Alexanders.
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And I was trained
from the age of 4.
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The MGM, at the age of 10 --
that was my debut.
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And I was so proud
to be working in the show.
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It was my first time.
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I was really strong.
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I was vibrant,
just excited about life.
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And then you had
Siegfried & Roy,
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who were headlining,
in a sense.
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They were kind of coming up
at that time
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and becoming very popular and
becoming the stars on the
strip.
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Smith:
On April 29, 1976,
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as Siegfried & Roy's cat act
was leaving the stage,
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Sean and his family
were about to go on.
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There's a security guard,
and he says,
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"You guys have to move.
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They're gonna start
bringing animals in."
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And I heard a crash.
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And I looked.
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And I'm staring
at the leopard.
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The cat saw him,
they locked eyes,
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and that's when Sean knew
he was in a lot of trouble.
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I ran down the hallway as fast
as I could, and all it --
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[ Snarls ]
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...jumped my back,
and it just started biting me,
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just tearing into my neck.
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Rajnai:
He was screaming so hard.
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I would run out and what I see
is my son.
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I mean, my God,
there was so much blood.
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I tried to get that animal
to attack me and let him alone.
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I was pulling them both.
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And I was screaming,
"Open the door."
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All the dressing rooms --
they shut the door.
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They were scared.
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That cat was just now
holding on,
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instead of chomping down on me
and eating me.
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That's the only thing I can do
is grabbing his hand,
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with the animal.
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I was pulling them both.
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My son was crying and said,
"Mama, am I gonna die?
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Am I gonna die?"
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I said, "No, you're not
gonna die. You're not."
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Then they came and got
the animal and took it away.
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And it turned around,
and it went [snarls]
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and it just was full
of blood.
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I mean, its face was just
drenched in my blood.
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[ Monitors beeping ]
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It turned out,
there was 14 bites,
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14 puncture wounds
in my head.
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The doctor said that I was like
that close to being paralyzed.
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And I had tubes
stuck in there
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so they could drain
the puncture wounds for weeks.
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Yeah, it was bad.
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Every little thing was,
like, excruciating pain.
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It was insane.
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Beside my mom
saving my life,
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the only reason
that I did not die that night
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was because
they'd declawed the leopard.
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As it was chomping down
on me,
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his instinct was to pull
and bite and pull and bite,
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and if he had claws,
he would have got to my heart.
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I would have been dead.
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After the accident,
I was recovering and healing.
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Roy never, ever came
to the door, said "Sorry."
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Never did that.
Siegfried did.
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He came to the trailer.
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We lived in a little trailer
at the time.
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He brought me a watch.
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So this is what I got.
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I got a watch and a box
of chocolates, okay?
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Doesn't work anymore.
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I still have it
44 years later.
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But he came,
and he apologized.
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He said he was sorry.
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Obviously,
this is a big deal.
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Obviously,
there's gonna be a lawsuit.
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We were all sitting in the law
office for the deposition,
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and he was like third or fourth
down where I was sitting.
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And the attorney asked
everybody, "What do you think?"
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And then Roy goes, "Yeah,
and my animal was in shock."
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I tell you, the blood
just went to my head.
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I got up -- I tell you,
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I wanted to go and do
some scratching on his eyes.
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I...I...I go crazy.
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Instead of saying,
"I felt so bad for this kid,"
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my child he's talking about,
but he didn't.
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Just talked
about his animal.
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It's just unheard of.
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From our perspective, from what
happened to us, he was cold.
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He was a cold guy.
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Because he had no remorse,
nothing.
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It screwed my life up
horribly,
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because I was afraid
of everything after that.
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It was psychological, man.
It was that PTSD.
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It was massive for me.
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Afterward, Siegfried and Roy
were, shall we say,
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less than generous with
the family, with their time,
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and with any kind of willingness
to settle in a genuine fashion.
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There were some hardships.
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You know, in the circus
and stuff,
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you don't work all the time.
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And I remember that we had
to dip into savings.
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And then it took quite a long
time to recoup from that.
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It was like $75,000
is the lawsuit we settled on,
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but that lawyer's fees,
the hospital bills,
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and all that, we were left
with $30,000-some
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at the end of the day.
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But I couldn't touch that
until I was 18.
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But they flourished.
They made millions.
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It hurt us.
It set us back a lot.
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It did.
Nobody -- Nobody reached out.
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The story was --
it was a little blurb like this.
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The article was literally
less than 200 words long.
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This story could have been
a national news story.
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When things can be embarrassing
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and that embarrassment can cause
trouble to the bottom line,
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it didn't surprise me at all
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that this received
very little coverage.
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When something traumatic
like this happens to you,
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you need to get over it.
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At some point,
I got over it.
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Thankfully, I went on
to be an actor.
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I was able to use
these experiences
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and this pain
for something good, I suppose.
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I directed films.
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I'm thankful that I'm able to
do
that and I'm alive to do it.
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By stepping forward,
Sean can remind the press
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of what its job really is.
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And I saw the coverage
of Siegfried and Roy
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being extremely soft --
that there were no accidents.
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You can't keep the truth
covered.
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Never.
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It always prevails.
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Briscoe: They know the truth,
and so do we,
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that there was other things
that have happened,
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and I have my dad
to show that for the truth.
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Welcome back to
"How it Really Happened."
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Siegfried and Roy's story
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about their unblemished
safety record
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was, as it turns out,
an illusion.
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We requested an interview
with Chris Lawrence,
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but he said he would no longer
speak about it publicly
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because it triggered his PTSD.
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But we found someone else.
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In his first national television
interview, Charles Flannery,
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who worked as a stagehand
for Siegfried and Roy
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and did some carpentry
for them on the side,
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reveals that he was attacked
while working at their home
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by a white tiger named Magic.
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Briscoe: When I hear
that Siegfried and Roy say
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that nothing else
ever happened to anybody else,
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it's like them ignoring my dad.
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That's like saying,
"You don't exist."
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Flannery:
In October 30, 1985,
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I was attacked by one
of Siegfried and Roy's tigers.
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We was working over
at Siegfried and Roy's house
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and we were building
an ice cave.
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I picked up the tools
and was going home.
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Siegfried -- I don't know
where he was,
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but he had a cat out,
walking it, talking to my buddy.
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Roy was holding the leash,
and the leash was let go.
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And the next thing they know,
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the tiger had jumped on
my dad's back and bit his neck.
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Flannery:
I didn't know it till I felt
the hot breath on my neck.
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I hollered at Roy,
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and he came immediately
and got the cat off me.
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Briscoe: He had his left carotid
artery completely severed,
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and his right carotid artery was
punctured by the tiger's tooth.
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Due to the severed artery,
he ended up stroking,
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and that's usually
what causes paralysis --
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and puncturing the vertebrae
in the back of the neck, too.
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They had him in
a medically induced coma.
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Flannery: When I woke up, it was
about December the 24th.
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It was pretty soon after
I came out of the coma,
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I more or less came to terms
that I couldn't move.
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Siegfried and Roy came
quite often
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to the hospital to visit me.
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The visits were kind of somber.
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Roy was grieving
over what had happened.
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Siegfried was more just trying
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to keep control
of the situation.
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I believe that Siegfried
was angry at Roy
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because the whole situation
of my dad being attacked
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and Roy
letting the tiger loose --
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he probably felt that
it shouldn't have happened.
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00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,050
Flannery: They said nobody else
ever got hurt.
497
00:24:00,083 --> 00:24:03,473
I'd probably disagree with them
on that one.
498
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,300
I was in the hospital
for six months.
499
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,150
And it left me paralyzed
on both sides, partly,
500
00:24:12,183 --> 00:24:14,003
in different ways.
501
00:24:17,033 --> 00:24:20,333
They really never
asked me to not say anything,
502
00:24:20,366 --> 00:24:22,346
but I knew that
they didn't want me to.
503
00:24:22,383 --> 00:24:25,203
It meant a lot to their show
504
00:24:25,233 --> 00:24:28,233
that anything I said
might cause difficulty for them.
505
00:24:28,266 --> 00:24:30,046
In my knowledge,
Siegfried and Roy
506
00:24:30,083 --> 00:24:33,333
have never discussed
these incidents in public.
507
00:24:33,366 --> 00:24:36,196
I believe there's
a nondisclosure agreement
508
00:24:36,233 --> 00:24:38,253
that was signed
between Siegfried and Roy
509
00:24:38,283 --> 00:24:40,133
and my parents.
510
00:24:40,166 --> 00:24:42,166
Flannery: I signed an agreement
with Siegfried and Roy
511
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,350
that I wouldn't discuss
any of the financial orders
512
00:24:45,383 --> 00:24:47,173
that they did for me.
513
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,070
Neal: I would imagine that
if they settled out of court
514
00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:53,280
and nobody ever
reported it to USDA,
515
00:24:53,316 --> 00:24:57,376
USDA would never have
found out about it.
516
00:24:57,416 --> 00:25:00,246
Flannery:
Roy is still out advertising
they don't bite people,
517
00:25:00,283 --> 00:25:02,133
but they do.
518
00:25:02,166 --> 00:25:04,996
You're talking about
a wild animal.
519
00:25:05,033 --> 00:25:08,223
Moss: So, they did admit
to Diane Sawyer in 1996
520
00:25:08,250 --> 00:25:12,100
that Siegfried was injured
by one of the big cats.
521
00:25:12,133 --> 00:25:15,403
You had a chunk of your arm
taken out by a lion, right?
522
00:25:15,433 --> 00:25:19,273
Yes. It was not a chunk.
It was just a --
523
00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:20,280
33 stitches?
524
00:25:20,316 --> 00:25:21,366
It was a nip, yes.
525
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,050
But we had, at this time,
an illusion
526
00:25:24,083 --> 00:25:27,203
where Roy changes to a lion,
and I open up the cage.
527
00:25:27,233 --> 00:25:31,233
And to make it look
very ferocious,
528
00:25:31,266 --> 00:25:35,316
so I had a lot of wrestling
with the lion.
529
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:38,030
And went too far
with going with playing.
530
00:25:38,066 --> 00:25:40,166
I just got
too carried away.
531
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,120
Not one of them has ever
really turned on you?
532
00:25:44,150 --> 00:25:46,380
No, I guess
I'm very fortunate.
533
00:25:46,416 --> 00:25:51,026
At some point, once a month,
I'm sure, one of those cats
534
00:25:51,066 --> 00:25:53,396
started escalating
his aggression.
535
00:25:53,433 --> 00:25:56,203
Roy would have seen it
and either get a trainer
536
00:25:56,233 --> 00:26:00,053
to get it off or figure
out a way to manage that
537
00:26:00,083 --> 00:26:02,083
so it doesn't become
a dangerous situation.
538
00:26:02,116 --> 00:26:03,376
That is the skill.
539
00:26:03,416 --> 00:26:06,296
Miller: The longer you work
with dangerous animals,
540
00:26:06,333 --> 00:26:10,473
the odds go up that
a potential problem could occur.
541
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,280
I've been bit a few times.
542
00:26:12,316 --> 00:26:16,396
So you do this for 10 years, 20,
30 years,
543
00:26:16,433 --> 00:26:18,433
you're pushing the envelope.
544
00:26:18,466 --> 00:26:21,366
Something's gonna happen
at some point.
545
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,200
It's not if.
546
00:26:23,233 --> 00:26:25,053
It's when.
547
00:26:27,183 --> 00:26:29,473
Salmoni: I was in a live show
with my lion,
548
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,020
who loved audiences, loved me.
549
00:26:32,050 --> 00:26:34,030
He did the same show
three times a day.
550
00:26:34,066 --> 00:26:36,226
I spent 13 hours a day
with that lion.
551
00:26:36,266 --> 00:26:37,316
For months, three times a day,
552
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:39,380
he would walk past
this little red carpet,
553
00:26:39,416 --> 00:26:43,266
and that day,
he wanted to grab it.
554
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:45,280
When a lion is possessive --
or a tiger --
555
00:26:45,316 --> 00:26:48,146
they will kill anybody
or anything they think
556
00:26:48,183 --> 00:26:51,173
that could take
that thing from them.
557
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,020
He was growling at me,
whipping his tail at me,
558
00:26:53,050 --> 00:26:54,470
showing me
all the body postures of,
559
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,030
"This is mine, Dave!"
560
00:26:56,066 --> 00:26:58,316
He continued his charge
far enough back
561
00:26:58,350 --> 00:26:59,270
that I ran out of room.
562
00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:01,020
And he broke my rib cage.
563
00:27:01,050 --> 00:27:03,350
He was about to lunge
for my throat,
564
00:27:03,383 --> 00:27:06,373
so, instead,
I put my arm in his mouth.
565
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,070
He was thrashing to try
and get me off my feet,
566
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:11,370
so the muscles tore
out of my forearm,
567
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,350
instead of him being able
to keep control of me.
568
00:27:17,016 --> 00:27:21,026
I told the story at least
10 times to 10 different people
569
00:27:21,066 --> 00:27:24,076
within the 24 hours
of me being attacked
570
00:27:24,116 --> 00:27:25,446
to when I first saw the video.
571
00:27:25,483 --> 00:27:27,273
You'll see there was a woman
onstage with me,
572
00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:28,320
who was my backup.
573
00:27:28,350 --> 00:27:30,120
Her story was different
than my story,
574
00:27:30,150 --> 00:27:31,300
my story was different
than her stories,
575
00:27:31,333 --> 00:27:33,053
and both of our stories
were different
576
00:27:33,083 --> 00:27:36,403
from what we saw on camera,
577
00:27:36,433 --> 00:27:40,103
because your memory in
these adrenalized situations
578
00:27:40,133 --> 00:27:41,353
is not correct.
579
00:27:41,383 --> 00:27:44,383
I talked to as many
as I possibly could,
580
00:27:44,416 --> 00:27:47,146
and I heard the same story.
581
00:27:47,183 --> 00:27:53,103
And that story was not
what Siegfried and Roy claimed.
582
00:27:53,133 --> 00:27:54,483
It was a very simple story.
583
00:27:55,016 --> 00:27:59,126
The tiger seemed
to get antagonized
584
00:27:59,166 --> 00:28:01,366
and went for Roy's neck.
585
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,200
Roy was being picked up and
tossed around like a rag doll.
586
00:28:06,233 --> 00:28:08,333
And then they went offstage.
587
00:28:08,366 --> 00:28:11,026
Observing the video
of the attack
588
00:28:11,066 --> 00:28:13,446
on Roy Horn on October the 3rd,
589
00:28:13,483 --> 00:28:18,323
there's no doubt in my mind
that this tiger attacked Roy,
590
00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:22,300
and Montecore
was just being a tiger
591
00:28:22,333 --> 00:28:24,333
and didn't want to play anymore.
592
00:28:24,366 --> 00:28:27,346
He was actually attacking.
593
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:36,270
Bennett: It was a huge
cultural phenomenon.
594
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:37,430
Everyone was talking about it.
595
00:28:37,466 --> 00:28:40,066
Everyone wanted to know,
"What went wrong?"
596
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:43,220
Siegfried and Roy -- the tiger
bit the man in the head.
597
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:47,350
And everybody's mad
at the tiger,
598
00:28:47,383 --> 00:28:49,333
talking about
the tiger went crazy.
599
00:28:49,366 --> 00:28:51,146
That tiger ain't go crazy.
600
00:28:51,183 --> 00:28:54,453
That tiger went tiger!
601
00:28:54,483 --> 00:28:56,403
Baum:
If "A tiger's gonna tiger,"
602
00:28:56,433 --> 00:28:59,453
as Chris Rock
infamously said months later,
603
00:28:59,483 --> 00:29:02,303
that doesn't go with
the illusion, really,
604
00:29:02,333 --> 00:29:06,333
that they had spent so
many years carefully concocting.
605
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:10,030
Salmoni:
Why this night?
606
00:29:10,066 --> 00:29:12,046
If he's hugged and kissed Roy
for seven years,
607
00:29:12,083 --> 00:29:14,403
why now all of a sudden?
608
00:29:14,433 --> 00:29:17,223
Baum: So, MGM taped
their performances,
609
00:29:17,250 --> 00:29:21,370
and MGM allowed the USDA
investigators
610
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,250
to look at the video, but they
couldn't take possession of it.
611
00:29:24,283 --> 00:29:27,273
We had to make appointments,
612
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:32,100
and we had to do it behind
closed, locked doors.
613
00:29:32,133 --> 00:29:33,403
Observing the video...
614
00:29:36,233 --> 00:29:39,103
...Roy tried to get Montecore
to lay down
615
00:29:39,133 --> 00:29:41,403
and tapped him
with the microphone.
616
00:29:41,433 --> 00:29:43,303
Montecore grabbed his hand.
617
00:29:43,333 --> 00:29:47,353
Roy kicked him with his boot
because he was going after him.
618
00:29:47,383 --> 00:29:50,033
And then the cat grabbed Roy
by the neck
619
00:29:50,066 --> 00:29:52,476
and drug him off the stage.
620
00:29:53,016 --> 00:29:56,096
I remember seeing someone
run to the curtain
621
00:29:56,133 --> 00:30:00,053
and start grabbing Montecore,
trying to get him off of Roy.
622
00:30:00,083 --> 00:30:04,283
The only other USDA inspector
in Vegas who saw it said...
623
00:30:19,166 --> 00:30:20,326
The investigators themselves
624
00:30:20,366 --> 00:30:22,446
couldn't definitively say
what had happened, right?
625
00:30:22,483 --> 00:30:25,003
Because there was
a primary witness,
626
00:30:25,033 --> 00:30:28,033
and it's a tiger,
and it doesn't talk, right?
627
00:30:28,066 --> 00:30:32,096
But there aren't many stories,
in tiger terms,
628
00:30:32,133 --> 00:30:34,103
that would make sense.
629
00:30:34,133 --> 00:30:37,173
Bennett: Siegfried and Roy
always stuck to their story --
630
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,000
Montecore was protecting Roy.
631
00:30:41,033 --> 00:30:43,383
Salmoni: These animals are not
like domestic animals.
632
00:30:43,416 --> 00:30:46,366
They just don't have
that kind of behavior in them
633
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,330
to try and save somebody.
634
00:30:48,366 --> 00:30:51,276
It's, like,
against their instincts.
635
00:30:51,316 --> 00:30:54,196
I'm a zoologist, animal trainer.
636
00:30:54,233 --> 00:30:56,283
I trained captive tigers
how to hunt.
637
00:30:56,316 --> 00:31:00,276
And I've introduced myself
into numerous prides of lions.
638
00:31:00,316 --> 00:31:04,166
I've had big cats in my life
for the last 20 years or so.
639
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,000
So, the story of protection
doesn't add up
640
00:31:07,033 --> 00:31:08,453
in any way at all.
641
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,220
In this case, you can't say
an animal's protecting you
642
00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:13,350
if he's sunk his teeth
into your body.
643
00:31:13,383 --> 00:31:16,233
Montecore gets up,
cool as a cucumber,
644
00:31:16,266 --> 00:31:20,226
leans over,
and picks up Roy like a cub,
645
00:31:20,266 --> 00:31:22,066
on the right side
of his neck.
646
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:25,400
The tiger knows
how to use his teeth.
647
00:31:25,433 --> 00:31:29,153
I know that one of the canines
went through his scapula.
648
00:31:29,183 --> 00:31:33,253
To bite someone through their
scapula takes so much pressure.
649
00:31:33,283 --> 00:31:35,453
That tiger knows exactly
what he's doing.
650
00:31:35,483 --> 00:31:38,003
And, clearly, evolutionarily,
651
00:31:38,033 --> 00:31:40,223
tigers have to know how much
pressure to use in their jaw
652
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:43,270
to carry around a little cub.
653
00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:45,280
They're fragile
when they're born.
654
00:31:45,316 --> 00:31:48,226
And the mother,
who can kill a buffalo,
655
00:31:48,266 --> 00:31:51,076
walks around with them
in her mouth all the time.
656
00:31:51,116 --> 00:31:55,246
Bennet:
Roy maintained this idea of
a nurturing male tiger to ABC.
657
00:31:55,283 --> 00:32:01,233
So you think that he picked you
up as tigers do their cubs.
658
00:32:01,266 --> 00:32:02,476
With the cubs, yeah.
659
00:32:03,016 --> 00:32:05,116
Miller:
Dad is never around the cubs.
660
00:32:05,150 --> 00:32:06,330
He'll eat the cubs.
661
00:32:06,366 --> 00:32:10,346
Mom will kill Dad
and keep Dad away from cubs.
662
00:32:10,383 --> 00:32:12,073
So Montecore, a male tiger,
663
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:14,350
would never be walking
a cub around,
664
00:32:14,383 --> 00:32:17,253
because males aren't
in that situation.
665
00:32:19,333 --> 00:32:23,283
There's no stories that add up
as easily as
666
00:32:23,316 --> 00:32:27,196
tiger just wanted to challenge
for dominance that night.
667
00:32:27,233 --> 00:32:28,403
We know Montecore was 7.
668
00:32:28,433 --> 00:32:31,233
We know for sure, at 7,
that's the prime of their life.
669
00:32:31,266 --> 00:32:34,146
You're the dominant one
in its life, and one day,
670
00:32:34,183 --> 00:32:36,273
it wakes up with just
a little bit more testosterone
671
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:38,000
than it had yesterday,
672
00:32:38,033 --> 00:32:39,223
and, "Now that I'm the big,
strong tiger,
673
00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:41,000
you're not gonna tell me
what to do."
674
00:32:41,033 --> 00:32:44,123
But, as a human, you won't have
seen the difference
675
00:32:44,150 --> 00:32:45,180
between Tuesday and Wednesday.
676
00:32:45,216 --> 00:32:46,996
King: And these tigers
can be dangerous, right?
677
00:32:47,033 --> 00:32:48,103
Tigers can be --
of course.
678
00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:49,323
It's a 650-pound --
679
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:51,350
you know,
and they're very demanding.
680
00:32:51,383 --> 00:32:53,423
It's a very demanding --
as you know --
681
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:55,220
They go where
they want to go.
682
00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:58,080
Salmoni: Very likely, the tiger
was challenging for dominance.
683
00:32:58,116 --> 00:33:01,146
Roy accepted that challenge
by bopping it on the nose.
684
00:33:01,183 --> 00:33:04,253
Then the tiger escalated, which
was very normal tiger behavior.
685
00:33:04,283 --> 00:33:08,083
He says, "Well, if we're gonna
fight, we're gonna fight."
686
00:33:08,116 --> 00:33:10,166
Once the challenge was accepted,
687
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,300
the tiger escalated
into a bite up here.
688
00:33:14,333 --> 00:33:18,133
As soon as the tiger bit Roy,
Roy somehow got underneath him.
689
00:33:18,166 --> 00:33:21,476
Once Roy stops fighting back,
the fight for dominance is over.
690
00:33:22,016 --> 00:33:23,316
The tiger is now dominant.
691
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:25,280
He's won that fight.
692
00:33:25,316 --> 00:33:27,026
"I'm the boss now."
693
00:33:27,066 --> 00:33:30,166
Once they get ahold of
something, including a person --
694
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,130
and even someone they love --
695
00:33:32,166 --> 00:33:34,146
they will become possessive
over it.
696
00:33:34,183 --> 00:33:37,373
And the longer they possess
this thing,
697
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,150
the more dangerous they will
become, and they become deadly,
698
00:33:41,183 --> 00:33:44,273
and they'll hang on as hard
as they have to.
699
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,120
They won't let it go.
700
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:50,180
And then it's on.
701
00:33:52,433 --> 00:33:56,373
That tiger will fight
to the death to not give up
702
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,430
whatever he's got ahold of
and is possessive over.
703
00:33:59,466 --> 00:34:01,246
It's just the way they are.
704
00:34:01,283 --> 00:34:03,373
Roy's a handler, not a trainer.
705
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,320
So he's got his actual trainers
in the background somewhere,
706
00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:07,400
and they're gonna be
coming out to try
707
00:34:07,433 --> 00:34:09,303
and take Roy from him.
708
00:34:09,333 --> 00:34:11,053
So that's when all
the possessive behavior
709
00:34:11,083 --> 00:34:12,223
is gonna start coming on.
710
00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:16,380
At that point,
according to Chris,
711
00:34:16,416 --> 00:34:22,126
there was a continued mayhem,
where Chris' supervisor,
712
00:34:22,166 --> 00:34:24,216
the head
of the animal-handling team,
713
00:34:24,250 --> 00:34:29,020
had to move into, essentially,
a jaw-opening exercise
714
00:34:29,050 --> 00:34:32,120
that they had practiced
in the past
715
00:34:32,150 --> 00:34:35,180
where both index fingers
are put inside of them
716
00:34:35,216 --> 00:34:37,426
in order to get their mouths
to open up.
717
00:34:37,466 --> 00:34:41,246
Someone did grab the tail,
tried to pull Montecore,
718
00:34:41,283 --> 00:34:43,333
and they had another individual
719
00:34:43,366 --> 00:34:49,196
trying to pry Montecore's teeth
from Roy's neck.
720
00:34:49,233 --> 00:34:51,203
I believe it was
a fire extinguisher
721
00:34:51,233 --> 00:34:54,273
that actually got him to let go.
722
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:58,270
Baum: They were able to work
on Montecore,
723
00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:00,480
walk him into circles,
and calm him down,
724
00:35:01,016 --> 00:35:05,026
and separately drag Roy
into another area offstage
725
00:35:05,066 --> 00:35:08,096
and begin
administering first aid.
726
00:35:08,133 --> 00:35:10,433
In my opinion,
it was not a stroke.
727
00:35:10,466 --> 00:35:14,076
It was an attack on Roy
from Montecore.
728
00:35:14,116 --> 00:35:16,016
And I still stand by that.
729
00:35:16,050 --> 00:35:18,300
There's truth in illusion
to them,
730
00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:23,103
and saying that Montecore
didn't attack Roy
731
00:35:23,133 --> 00:35:27,373
but was actually trying to
help him is itself an illusion
732
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,020
in the tradition
of Siegfried & Roy.
733
00:35:37,433 --> 00:35:39,323
Horn:
This is the white-tiger cub.
734
00:35:39,350 --> 00:35:43,480
They are already -- the species
was extinct in the wild.
735
00:35:44,016 --> 00:35:46,116
And it's Siegfried
and my biggest goal --
736
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:47,470
to save this white tiger.
737
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,200
Friess: Siegfried and Roy
positioned themselves
738
00:35:50,233 --> 00:35:54,233
as these saviors
of a rare species
739
00:35:54,266 --> 00:36:00,346
that was somehow losing
the survival battle in the wild.
740
00:36:00,383 --> 00:36:04,423
That claim itself was a lie.
741
00:36:04,450 --> 00:36:08,400
The white tiger was not
a separate species of any sort.
742
00:36:11,233 --> 00:36:16,133
Salmoni: White tigers are just
a genetic recessive gene
743
00:36:16,166 --> 00:36:18,376
that affects the coloration
of the cat.
744
00:36:18,416 --> 00:36:21,476
Being white in a jungle
isn't gonna help you hide
745
00:36:22,016 --> 00:36:23,326
and sneak up on things.
746
00:36:25,433 --> 00:36:28,473
Friess:
And the effort to save them
747
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,220
was actually an effort
to inbreed them.
748
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:33,280
Because of the recessive genes,
749
00:36:33,316 --> 00:36:38,196
they had to breed them within
very close family relatives.
750
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,320
Many of the animals that
are born have all kinds
751
00:36:45,350 --> 00:36:47,150
of genetic problems --
752
00:36:47,183 --> 00:36:52,183
cleft tongues and scoliosis
and other medical conditions.
753
00:36:52,216 --> 00:36:59,196
It's not this great, heroic feat
to save the white tigers
754
00:36:59,233 --> 00:37:01,083
when you're breeding an animal
755
00:37:01,116 --> 00:37:07,116
that you are deliberately
risking genetic chaos for.
756
00:37:07,150 --> 00:37:12,150
♪♪
757
00:37:12,183 --> 00:37:14,473
Basically, we have our own
breeding program.
758
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,270
The white tiger was already
extinct in the wild.
759
00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:20,120
We work to get them
at different zoos.
760
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:22,020
Salmoni:
There is no genetic benefit,
761
00:37:22,050 --> 00:37:26,250
from a conservational point
of view, to saving white tigers.
762
00:37:26,283 --> 00:37:28,383
This is a happy day
for Siegfried and Roy.
763
00:37:28,416 --> 00:37:31,046
I think that what we need
to be concerned about
764
00:37:31,083 --> 00:37:32,253
is genetic diversity,
765
00:37:32,283 --> 00:37:34,333
which is the opposite of what
comes with a white tiger.
766
00:37:34,366 --> 00:37:37,046
They felt that it was
sort of a lie
767
00:37:37,083 --> 00:37:39,133
for a kind of a higher purpose.
768
00:37:39,166 --> 00:37:42,376
One of the most important things
for public figures with wildlife
769
00:37:42,416 --> 00:37:47,226
is to impress upon people
how amazing animals are.
770
00:37:47,266 --> 00:37:51,216
People have to get involved
and to appreciate nature,
771
00:37:51,250 --> 00:37:55,200
because when they appreciate
nature, they can defend it.
772
00:37:55,233 --> 00:37:58,353
Then after you see how beautiful
this tiger is or this lion is,
773
00:37:58,383 --> 00:38:01,273
regardless of the color,
that's how you motivate someone
774
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:03,300
to becoming interested
in conservation.
775
00:38:03,333 --> 00:38:06,173
I really felt like they,
over the years,
776
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:11,200
did a great job bringing
awareness to tigers in general.
777
00:38:15,183 --> 00:38:17,073
Bennett:
Montecore was not put down.
778
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:19,400
He lived on Siegfried
and Roy's properties.
779
00:38:19,433 --> 00:38:21,173
He continued to be cared for.
780
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,280
He was still very much loved,
as Roy told Maria Shriver.
781
00:38:25,316 --> 00:38:28,096
Roy, I know you see
Montecore every week.
782
00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:29,233
Yes.
783
00:38:29,266 --> 00:38:33,166
How would you describe your
relationship with him today?
784
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,130
He's my baby.
785
00:38:35,166 --> 00:38:36,396
You're not mad at him?
786
00:38:36,433 --> 00:38:38,133
No.
He saved my life.
787
00:38:38,166 --> 00:38:40,266
I think what's more important
here is,
788
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:42,300
you know, these
are alternative facts.
789
00:38:42,333 --> 00:38:45,183
It's a distortion
of what really happened,
790
00:38:45,216 --> 00:38:47,376
and it undermines the truth.
791
00:38:47,416 --> 00:38:50,176
Miller: They believed that was
the way to protect Montecore,
792
00:38:50,216 --> 00:38:52,376
and I really think that
that's where it all came from.
793
00:38:52,416 --> 00:38:55,226
But I think the truth
is more important.
794
00:38:55,266 --> 00:39:00,216
It doesn't bother me, even as
a journalist, if they needed to,
795
00:39:00,250 --> 00:39:04,330
in some way, tweak the story
a little bit in their favor,
796
00:39:04,366 --> 00:39:07,146
because they are an institution
797
00:39:07,183 --> 00:39:12,353
and they had had successes
for so long with wild animals.
798
00:39:12,383 --> 00:39:17,233
Clearly, they had a story line
for how the attack happened,
799
00:39:17,266 --> 00:39:19,426
how the accident happened,
800
00:39:19,466 --> 00:39:23,076
because that's what
I believe Roy believes.
801
00:39:23,116 --> 00:39:25,196
There could have been a very,
I think, impactful
802
00:39:25,233 --> 00:39:30,183
and important discussion
about how, you know,
803
00:39:30,216 --> 00:39:33,116
man and beast are allowed
to entertain together.
804
00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:36,430
[ Vocalizing ]
805
00:39:36,466 --> 00:39:38,276
And I think that did
a disservice
806
00:39:38,316 --> 00:39:41,996
to the animals in a way.
807
00:39:42,033 --> 00:39:44,333
Roy Horn has a responsibility
to explain
808
00:39:44,366 --> 00:39:47,466
to people that hugging
and kissing tigers is wonderful,
809
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,130
but they're terrible pets.
810
00:39:50,166 --> 00:39:52,226
You know, we take the chances.
811
00:39:52,266 --> 00:39:54,046
We walk them on leashes.
812
00:39:54,083 --> 00:39:55,203
They haven't evolved to walk
on a leash.
813
00:39:55,233 --> 00:39:57,183
They haven't evolved to hug
and kiss me.
814
00:39:57,216 --> 00:40:00,016
These are wild animals,
and we are willing
815
00:40:00,050 --> 00:40:04,120
to take the risks
because we love it.
816
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:06,420
The real story should start
with these are not pets.
817
00:40:06,450 --> 00:40:09,280
These are wild animals
doing wild-animal things.
818
00:40:09,316 --> 00:40:14,016
Bennett:
In 2014, Montecore died at the
Secret Garden at the Mirage,
819
00:40:14,050 --> 00:40:17,330
after a relatively long life --
17 years old.
820
00:40:17,366 --> 00:40:21,366
And on ABC, Roy Horn admitted
how different his life is now.
821
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,080
Well, yeah, there's a little bit
of a setback now
822
00:40:24,116 --> 00:40:26,266
because of my condition.
823
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:30,200
I'm not that quick
like I used to be.
824
00:40:30,233 --> 00:40:36,053
Bennett:
Siegfried and Roy came together
in 2009 to do a final act,
825
00:40:36,083 --> 00:40:38,373
and it was the first time
since the accident
826
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,320
that they performed.
827
00:40:40,350 --> 00:40:45,120
And although it was heroic
and he had trouble walking,
828
00:40:45,150 --> 00:40:49,000
it was that sad happy
that you sometimes get
829
00:40:49,033 --> 00:40:50,103
when you see
something like that.
830
00:40:50,133 --> 00:40:53,103
You're so happy that
the person is alive
831
00:40:53,133 --> 00:40:54,433
and there and standing
before you,
832
00:40:54,466 --> 00:40:56,146
but you're so sad
833
00:40:56,183 --> 00:40:59,353
that they're so different
from what they were.
834
00:41:03,150 --> 00:41:04,270
By sticking to their story
835
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:06,150
that Montecore was protecting
Roy Horn
836
00:41:06,183 --> 00:41:07,383
on that fateful October night,
837
00:41:07,416 --> 00:41:10,416
Siegfried and Roy may have
perpetuated the myth
838
00:41:10,450 --> 00:41:13,080
that tigers
can make loving pets.
839
00:41:13,116 --> 00:41:15,326
The proliferation of tigers
in captivity continues
840
00:41:15,366 --> 00:41:19,246
to be a national problem,
with an estimated 7,000 tigers
841
00:41:19,283 --> 00:41:21,053
owned privately
in the United States --
842
00:41:21,083 --> 00:41:24,073
more than those living
in the wild in India.
843
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:26,250
We reached out numerous times
to Siegfried and Roy,
844
00:41:26,283 --> 00:41:28,403
their former manager,
Bernie Yuman, Steve Wynn,
845
00:41:28,433 --> 00:41:30,433
Feld Entertainment,
and MGM Resorts.
846
00:41:30,466 --> 00:41:32,996
They all declined to comment.
847
00:41:33,033 --> 00:41:36,403
Roy Horn only performed
publicly again one final time,
848
00:41:36,433 --> 00:41:40,223
in 2009, to benefit
the Lou Ruvo Brain Institute.
849
00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:43,320
Despite his impaired speech
and major physical challenges,
850
00:41:43,350 --> 00:41:47,220
he pushed himself every day to
communicate and to keep moving.
851
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:51,020
But, sadly, in April 2020,
his publicist confirmed
852
00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:54,280
that Roy Horn had
tested positive for COVID-19.
853
00:41:54,316 --> 00:41:59,116
And on the 8th of May 2020,
the real tiger King of Las Vegas
854
00:41:59,150 --> 00:42:02,030
lost his fight against COVID-19.
855
00:42:02,066 --> 00:42:06,116
The legendary Roy Horn
was 75 years old.
856
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:08,050
Thanks for watching.
857
00:42:08,083 --> 00:42:09,433
Good night.
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