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♪♪
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Williams: The overriding fear
was that visiting the park
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was a dangerous thing to do.
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What those crimes showed us
was that bad things can happen
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in a place
you feel the most safe.
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We have amazing, beautiful
scenery and clean air and trees
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and, above all, we have safety.
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Why here?
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Why would you do this
in this community?
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♪♪
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Hello and welcome to
"How It Really Happened."
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I'm Hill Harper.
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There are few pleasures
in life more breathtaking
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than the wonders of nature's
raw power and beauty.
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But in 1999,
the vicious sexual assault
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and murders of four innocent
and vibrant women
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enjoying the legendary landscape
of Yosemite National Park
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cut deeply into the conscience
of a nation and the world.
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After a five-month FBI
investigation of dead-end leads,
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suddenly,
there's an all-out manhunt.
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Agents now have
a new prime suspect,
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one who's been hiding
in plain sight all along.
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Could this so-called
"cooperative, nice guy"
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have actually been
a violent killer.
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This is part 2 of
"The Yosemite Murders,"
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and this is how
it really happened.
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♪♪
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On February 15, 1999,
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Carole Sund
from Eureka, California,
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and her daughter, Juli, age 15,
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and Juli's friend,
Silvina Pelosso,
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who was 16
and visiting from Argentina,
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went missing from the area
around Yosemite National Park.
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King: This extraordinary
missing-persons case
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has captured the attention of
not only of the United States
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but spread around the world.
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Hanley: Carole wanted
to take Silvina
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to one of the most
beautiful places in the world.
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Jordan:
They were having the time
of their lives seeing Yosemite,
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and at the end of the day,
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they went back to
where they were staying,
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at the Cedar Lodge.
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It's extremely remote.
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There is no cell service,
and there is no traffic.
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The cedar lodge was the last
place that they were seen.
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These women seem to have
completely vanished
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from the face of the Earth.
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James Maddock,
you're the FBI special agent.
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Anything new you can report?
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We're really no further
down the road
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in making
a conclusive determination
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about what happened
to the missing people.
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The first thing we thought was
that they had had an accident
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and the car
had gone into the river.
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Gagliano: As hopes for finding
the women alive began to fade,
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the accident theory gave way
to the likelihood of foul play,
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and an FBI task force
was created
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to look into the disappearances.
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They basically retrace
everything,
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starting at the Cedar Lodge,
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because that was the last place
that the three had been seen.
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They interview the employees.
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They interview Cary Stayner,
who's the maintenance guy there.
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The guy next door,
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just completely calm,
collected, affable, easygoing.
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Jackson: Mary Ellen Geist,
a KGO Radio reporter
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covering the Sund-Pelosso case,
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met Cary Stayner
in a chance encounter
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at the Cedar Lodge hot tub.
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I said, "Are you related
in any way to Steven Stayner?"
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Gagliano:
The infamous Steven Stayner
kidnapping, child-abuse,
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and rescue story had consumed
the entire nation,
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beginning back in 1972.
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And he said "Yes,
he was my brother."
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I remember I said, "Oh, my God.
I covered that story."
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And he said, "It messed up
our whole family.
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It messed up all of us."
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And he seemed so evolved.
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It's as if he spoke
in a way like someone
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who's had a lot of therapy.
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He's the one that actually shows
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the FBI the different rooms
in the hotel.
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He shows them the room
where the girls were staying,
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in room 509.
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He's actually helping
with the investigation.
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Jordan: The idea that
the brother of the very famous
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Steven Stayner
had actually morphed
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into a violent predator himself
was just unimaginable.
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Carole Sund's credit card
surfaces in Modesto.
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And one of the theories was,
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all three of them
were kidnapped.
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Why would this red Pontiac
absolutely vanish
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along with the girls?
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They had arrested two men.
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Rinek: They are great suspects.
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Hanley: Rufus Dykes was kind
of a low-level ex-con.
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Rufus has a half-brother,
Mick Larwick.
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They think maybe they were
working together.
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A few days after Larwick
and Dykes are in custody...
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We believe we have
recovered the car.
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...in the back of the car
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were the bodies of Carole Sund
and Silvina Pelosso.
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Jens: As a father,
I feel terrible.
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I'm supposed to die.
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[ Camera shutter clicks ]
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[Sobbing ] Excuse me.
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The search is on for Juli,
and then...
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Hanley: They did find her body.
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Her throat is slit from one side
all the way to the other.
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Eugene "Rufus" Dykes
is interviewed by an FBI agent.
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He admitted involvement
in the missing three women
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from Yosemite.
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Rinek:
The things that Dykes said were
then accepted as a confession.
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And the FBI actually made
a statement at that point
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that they felt
they had arrested the guys
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who had done something
to these women.
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Hanley: They told the public
they were safe.
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So the feeling was that
these guys did do it.
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And that, of course,
was absolutely wrong.
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A few months later,
the body of Joie Armstrong
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is found in
the Yosemite National Park,
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and that changes
everything all over again.
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Armstrong:
I get a knock on the door.
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Two FBI agents --
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"We found a body."
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I said, "Does the body
have red hair?"
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And they said, "We don't know."
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If that wasn't a sledgehammer
in the gut.
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I remember when we didn't know
how this had happened
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and we were scared,
wondering,
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"Is the guy that did this
right over there?"
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This is not just
some isolated event.
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This is a part
of a bigger problem.
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A distinctive car had been
spotted near Joie's cabin.
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Rowlands:
It's powder blue and white,
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and a witness says they saw
it driving in the area.
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And people know it.
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It's Cary Stayner.
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He denied being near there.
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Rowlands: But they also notice
that he has a backpack on,
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and at this point,
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Joie Armstrong's head
has not been found.
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And a real fear
for these rangers is
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"Is her head in that backpack?"
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He let us search the vehicle,
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but he wouldn't let us
look in the backpack.
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I'm like, "Yeah, we've got
to take the backpack."
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But I told him that
I wasn't gonna open it
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until we got
a warrant to open it.
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Turns out that inside
that backpack
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was some suntan oil,
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some sunflower seeds,
and a book.
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Rinek: It was a novel
by a horror/fantasy author
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named John Saul
about two brothers,
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one of whom was
a stone-cold killer,
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who tried to pin a number of
gruesome murders on his brother.
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Rowlands: There was no head.
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As crime-scene investigators
continue to process the area
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in and around Joie's house,
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they eventually do find
her head downstream
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from where they found her body.
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Schwartz:
But in the process, we were able
to look at the tires
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and match those tire tracks
to the up on scene.
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And found a perfect match.
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And that night,
he sold all his belongings.
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And he didn't show up for work
the next day.
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Now there's an all-out search
for Cary Stayner.
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The FBI issues a press release
to the media.
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And a woman who sees
the television report
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is staying at a nudist colony
outside of Sacramento.
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So, she calls the FBI and says,
"I know where this guy is."
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Gagliano: The FBI quickly
assembles a team
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to head to the Laguna del Sol
nudist resort.
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One of those agents
is Jeff Rinek.
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Rinek: They tell me that I was
picking up some guy
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who was possibly running
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and that Laguna del Sol
was a nudist colony.
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Rinek and a team of agents
and officers moved in quickly
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and approached Cary Stayner
at the nudist resort.
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Their job was really just to
bring him in for questioning.
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I think Stayner sees them
and kind of knows.
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He stood up and put his hands
on his head.
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And during the drive back
to headquarters,
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Agent Rinek used his disarming
nature to draw Cary Stayner out.
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One of the first things Rinek
says to him is --
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Rinek:
He looked exactly like a movie
character called Billy Jack.
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There's a scene in the movie...
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I'm gonna whop you.
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...where Billy Jack does
a roundhouse kick
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and knocks the guy down.
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It was beautiful.
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So, I said, you know,
"Did you ever see 'Billy Jack'?"
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He goes, "Nah."
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The conversation takes
a more personal turn
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to the tragic 1972
sex abuse and kidnapping
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of Cary's little brother.
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Cary Stayner says he was upset
that Steven's kidnapper,
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Kenneth Parnell,
only got seven years in prison
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and how unfair that was.
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Rinek: Cary and I talked
about closure in the car ride
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as it related
to his brother, Steven.
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There are things
that happen in life
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that will never,
ever go away.
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The best we can hope for is that
we can learn to live with it.
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As we were pulling
in the impound for the office,
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he looks at me
and he recites verbatim
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those words from "Billy Jack"
and started laughing.
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He knew that I knew,
and I knew that he knew.
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He had seen it.
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He knew he looked
exactly like the guy.
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It probably made Cary feel good,
like he's the star.
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Rowlands: And that relationship
would end up
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changing this
entire investigation.
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After nearly five months,
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the FBI task force
now had evidence
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connecting Cary Stayner to
the murder of Joie Armstrong.
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Rinek: We had him sit down
in an interview room.
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He wasn't under arrest,
and he could leave.
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We figured the best thing to do
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would be to call
in the polygraph examiner,
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because as part of
a polygraph examination,
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he's got to do an interview.
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Gagliano:
FBI Special Agent Rinek
had already established
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a crucial bond
with Cary Stayner,
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and he was assigned
to interview him.
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First thing is,
they order a pizza.
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Gagliano:
A lot of times for people that
are being questioned by the FBI,
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they think all the worst things,
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that a confession is gonna
be beaten out of them.
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That's not how we do business.
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Rinek: "Hey, the pizza's here.
The polygrapher is here.
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What do you want to do first?"
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And Cary looks at me and says,
"Let's skip the polygraph.
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I'd like to talk alone."
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And he says, "You know, Jeff,
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I've done some
really bad things."
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What could be coming?
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And then he said, "I can give
you closure on this and more."
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I said, "You mean the three
women from the Cedar Lodge?"
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And he silently nods.
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Hanley: He tells Rinek,
"Yeah, I'll talk to you,
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but there's a few things
I want first."
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Rowlands:
Cary Stayner basically says,
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"I'll tell you what
you want to know
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if you give me pornographic
images of children."
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Now you've got him, because even
though it's inconceivable
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that you're going to be
sharing child pornography
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with this depraved reprobate,
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he's willing to negotiate
to tell you something.
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Now it's just a delicate dance
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of changing his mind
about what he needs --
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"How about if I get you
a pepperoni pizza and a Coke?"
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-- and trying to work
it that way.
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And as he's finishing up
his pizza, he says,
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"This is gonna be
my last meal as a free man."
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And at that point on,
the confession starts.
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Rinek wasn't taking any chances.
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Cary Stayner's admissions
of guilt were being recorded.
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I thought it was strange
when he mentioned Bigfoot,
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but I believe that Cary
believes he saw Bigfoot.
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Jordan: In my mind,
Bigfoot is a metaphor
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for what other serial killers
call the dark side,
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which is capable
of unspeakable violence.
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Cary finally begins to reveal
the horrifying truth
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of what he had done.
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Only a person of incredible
physical and mental strength
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could have done what she did.
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When I heard Cary Stayner
describing what he had done,
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it was just blood-curdling,
shocking, frightening.
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And I thought nobody,
except for his victims,
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saw this dark, dark evil side
of Cary Stayner.
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And when we finished
the discussion
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of his murder of Joie,
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he had to decide whether he was
going to discuss Sund/Pelosso.
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Geist:
My producer called me and said,
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"I've got a room for you
at the Cedar Lodge."
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And they called it
the 500 West section.
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And I pull up,
and I'm the only car there.
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And I sort of thought
that was weird
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that I was staying there alone,
but I saw a pool and a hot tub.
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And I'm like, "Yes!
This is great.
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I've had a long day."
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This man comes in,
and he gets into the hot tub.
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I think he said right away,
"Hi. My name is Cary Stayner."
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And then he asked me questions.
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We talked a little bit more.
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He seemed quite nice.
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Gagliano: But when Mary Ellen
changed the subject
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to the
ongoing Sund/Pelosso case --
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I said, "What's your theory
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about what happened
to these women?"
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Cary Stayner's demeanor suddenly
turned dark and dangerous.
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He turned to me like this,
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and his eyes just went
black and flat.
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That was like an animal
was gonna attack.
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I just felt like I saw
a moment of evil.
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I felt in danger, and I ran,
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and I put the furniture
in front of the door,
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and I just followed
my instincts.
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Rinek: When you work homicides,
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I always look
in the face of the killer
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and I think to myself,
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"That's the last thing
our victim saw."
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Geist: I think about that look
on Cary Stayner's face.
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I was in the same situation
as his victims.
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I was alone with this guy who,
when he realizes
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he's alone with women,
becomes a predator.
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Cary said that he had been
fighting the urge
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to kill women
since he was a boy
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sitting in the parking lot
of the grocery store
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while his mom
was in grocery shopping.
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He would look in through
the big planes of glass
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and fantasize about
tying up the female checkers.
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Cary says he envisioned
slaughtering them en masse.
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Cary Stayner's disturbing
boyhood fantasies began
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to mutate into visions
of rape and murder.
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Dr. Dietz:
He had very early onset
of deviant sexual fantasies.
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His interest in being able
to tie up young girls,
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put them in a bunker,
and do what he wants with them
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started before
his brother disappeared.
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There is some indication
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that Stayner had been
sexually abused in childhood.
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He said, "I've never told
anybody before,
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but my uncle molested me."
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I believe that what he was doing
was sexually oriented
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because of the way he described
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that he had never had a normal
relationship with a woman.
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Rowlands: And he peered
into the window,
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and that's when he noticed
Carole Sund, Juli Sund,
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and Silvina
inside the room of 509.
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Rowlands:
He grabbed his murder kit,
as he called it --
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his backpack with his gun
and the rope and the duct tape.
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Jordan: Cary talked
through the door to Carole Sund,
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who was very suspicious.
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He said, "There's a leak
in the room above your room,
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and it's leaking water, and I
need to come in and check it."
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Carole Sund
actually resisted and said,
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"No, you're not coming in."
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And he insisted, "Oh, call
the front desk if you want."
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Something to re-assure her
that it was okay.
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Jordan:
He takes Juli and Silvina
and puts them in the bathroom.
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And he approaches Carole Sund,
who is laying bound on the bed.
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Silently, he strangles this
mother with a rope from his kit.
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He was delivering these
gory details with no emotion.
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Jordan:
And he takes Juli Sund and moves
her into the unit next door,
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using the master key
from his key ring.
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He then sexually assaulted her.
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Jordan:
He kills Silvina in the same way
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that he killed Carole Sund,
quietly strangling her,
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while Juli stays
in the unit next door.
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Right next to Carole Sund.
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She didn't know her mom
and friend were already dead.
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Carole and Silvina are in
the trunk of the vehicle.
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He parks, comes around
to the passenger seat.
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And he said, "You know,
I carried her like this,
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like a husband carries a wife."
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And he carried her about
50 yards into the hillside,
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and he put Juli on the pink
blanket, totally freezing.
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And he's telling her
he loves her.
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Jordan: Part of this fantasy
is believing that Juli loves
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him and that he loves her.
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Hanley: He kept driving
all the way into the forest
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and just hoofed it
and walked back to a town.
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He used Carole's $200
to get back to Yosemite Lodge.
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Handed me the cash up front
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and told me
where he wanted to go.
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The driver of that cab,
Jenny Paul,
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remembers a very
unusual conversation.
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00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,230
When he asked me
if I believed in Bigfoot,
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00:24:03,266 --> 00:24:04,446
I was kind of shocked
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00:24:04,483 --> 00:24:08,453
that he would ask me
something like that.
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00:24:08,483 --> 00:24:13,323
That was the ruse that he had
used to engage Joie Armstrong
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into conversation.
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00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:18,480
Paul: He offered to show me
where he'd seen Bigfoot
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when we got to Yosemite,
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but I just had this intuition.
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00:24:23,216 --> 00:24:24,296
I was scared.
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I'm not gonna go somewhere
I don't know.
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Cary Stayner was a clever man.
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Hanley: He watched
a lot of crime shows
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00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,280
and learned throwing the wallet
out might misdirect them
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00:24:50,316 --> 00:24:55,426
and take the suspicion
away from him.
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00:25:08,150 --> 00:25:11,380
I don't get emotional
over this really anymore,
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00:25:11,416 --> 00:25:16,326
until I recently learned
that Cary had his killing kit
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00:25:16,366 --> 00:25:19,446
in that backpack
right behind me the whole time.
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♪♪
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Welcome back to
"How It Really Happened."
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FBI Special Agent Jeff Rinek got
Cary Stayner's full confession.
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In chilling detail,
he admitted to killing
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26-year-Old naturalist
Joie Armstrong
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00:25:36,066 --> 00:25:38,066
and the triple homicide
of Carole Sund,
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00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:40,430
Juli Sund, and Silvina Pelosso.
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00:25:40,466 --> 00:25:42,396
As soon as his six-hour
confession was over,
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00:25:42,433 --> 00:25:45,323
Stayner was formally arrested
and locked behind bars.
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00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:48,230
The task force had finally
gotten their man.
402
00:25:48,266 --> 00:25:50,466
But Cary Stayner's capture
was a complete shock
403
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,030
to the small mountain community
who knew him or knew of him.
404
00:25:54,066 --> 00:25:57,196
Was it possible their friendly
cedar lodge handyman
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00:25:57,233 --> 00:26:00,323
could really be
a depraved serial killer?
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00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:06,200
♪♪
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00:26:06,233 --> 00:26:10,103
The FBI claims to have linked
Stayner to all four killings.
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00:26:10,133 --> 00:26:13,253
Woman: Late last night, Federal
Authorities arrested this man,
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00:26:13,283 --> 00:26:17,403
37-year-Old Cary Stayner.
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00:26:17,433 --> 00:26:19,353
I ran into living room,
looked at the TV,
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00:26:19,383 --> 00:26:25,273
and I'm like, "Hey,
that's that guy that I drove."
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00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:29,180
Dr. Kidd: I knew a lot of people
who had contact with him.
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00:26:29,216 --> 00:26:32,446
This person was right under
our nose this whole time.
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00:26:32,483 --> 00:26:37,173
Nobody can believe that Cary
would do anything like this.
415
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,230
Everybody thinks that
he probably isn't
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00:26:39,266 --> 00:26:40,476
the one
they're looking for.
417
00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:42,016
Unbelievable, you know?
418
00:26:42,050 --> 00:26:44,330
'Cause he was very friendly.
419
00:26:44,366 --> 00:26:46,446
There was nothing
that ever made me
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00:26:46,483 --> 00:26:50,153
think that he would harm anyone.
421
00:26:50,183 --> 00:26:52,253
It brought me to tears
when I saw it on the TV.
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00:26:55,066 --> 00:26:56,466
Gagliano: But the truth about
Cary Stayner
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00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,400
came out in new revelations
during his confession,
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00:26:59,433 --> 00:27:03,273
appalling disclosures that the
four Yosemite murder victims
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00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:06,230
were not his original targets.
426
00:27:06,266 --> 00:27:08,326
Lenna: My mom worked
at the Cedar Lodge.
427
00:27:08,366 --> 00:27:11,246
She was a waitress
and bartender.
428
00:27:11,283 --> 00:27:15,033
My mom seemed very happy
when Cary was around.
429
00:27:15,066 --> 00:27:18,196
We knew that he was more
of like a boyfriend.
430
00:27:18,233 --> 00:27:21,023
They had a really
deep connection and bond.
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00:27:21,050 --> 00:27:23,450
Jackson: To 11-year-old Lenna
and her 8-year-old sister,
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00:27:23,483 --> 00:27:26,053
Cary Stayner was like
a favorite uncle
433
00:27:26,083 --> 00:27:27,433
who spoiled the kids.
434
00:27:27,466 --> 00:27:32,046
I definitely remember
he would always buy us gifts.
435
00:27:32,083 --> 00:27:33,173
He bought us Beanie Babies,
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00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,480
we had an entire collection
of them.
437
00:27:35,016 --> 00:27:36,466
I call that grooming.
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00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,180
I think he was grooming them.
439
00:27:39,216 --> 00:27:40,416
Every time we'd see him
at the Cedar Lodge,
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00:27:40,450 --> 00:27:42,300
he'd walk us
into the gift shop,
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00:27:42,333 --> 00:27:46,003
buy us another Beanie Baby,
take us to the pool.
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00:27:46,033 --> 00:27:48,283
So we loved him.
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00:27:48,316 --> 00:27:51,276
As a child in 1999,
Lenna was protected
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00:27:51,316 --> 00:27:53,046
from hearing all the details
445
00:27:53,083 --> 00:27:55,173
of Cary Stayner's
gruesome confession
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00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,150
to the Yosemite murders.
447
00:27:57,183 --> 00:27:59,333
But years later,
as a young woman,
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00:27:59,366 --> 00:28:01,476
Lenna learned
what Cary Stayner had in mind
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00:28:02,016 --> 00:28:03,426
for her entire family --
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00:28:03,466 --> 00:28:06,346
a sadistic
and cold-blooded betrayal
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00:28:06,383 --> 00:28:11,353
that would change Lenna's life
forever.
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00:28:11,383 --> 00:28:14,333
If you look
at that whole confession,
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00:28:14,366 --> 00:28:19,046
Rinek was able to peal a lid
off of a Pandora's box
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00:28:19,083 --> 00:28:21,403
that had been closed
for years and years.
455
00:28:21,433 --> 00:28:27,073
And he pries it open,
and all the skeletons come out.
456
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:29,050
He was going to murder my mom
457
00:28:29,083 --> 00:28:32,333
and then rape and murder
my sister and I.
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00:28:32,366 --> 00:28:35,116
To my knowledge, he attempted
to carry out his plan
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00:28:35,150 --> 00:28:37,270
with my family
three different times.
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00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:41,230
Even Rinek was caught off guard
by Cary Stayner's new admission.
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00:29:04,133 --> 00:29:07,003
He was at our house
repairing some screens for us.
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00:29:07,033 --> 00:29:09,223
He had a murder kit,
as he called it --
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00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:14,020
his backpack, which had
a revolver, had rope, duct tape.
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00:29:14,050 --> 00:29:16,200
Cary says that he went there
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00:29:16,233 --> 00:29:19,423
with the intention
of killing them.
466
00:29:19,450 --> 00:29:23,300
This was a fantasy
that he had had for months.
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00:29:23,333 --> 00:29:26,223
Jackson:
But, suddenly, a neighbor
appeared at Lenna's door,
468
00:29:26,250 --> 00:29:29,170
and that surprise visit
abruptly stopped Stayner
469
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,220
from launching
his murderous attack.
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00:29:32,250 --> 00:29:37,050
So, he left there very angry.
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00:29:37,083 --> 00:29:40,153
He says that once
that plan was foiled,
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00:29:40,183 --> 00:29:43,033
he came back to the Cedar Lodge,
where he was living.
473
00:29:43,066 --> 00:29:45,116
Gagliano: His twisted fantasy
had been ruined,
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00:29:45,150 --> 00:29:50,130
but Cary Stayner was still
poised to stalk and kill.
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00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:58,400
In the course
of walking off his tension
476
00:29:58,433 --> 00:30:00,053
through the parking lot,
477
00:30:00,083 --> 00:30:03,333
that's where he saw Carole
and the girls.
478
00:30:03,366 --> 00:30:05,426
He was so wound up and so ready
479
00:30:05,466 --> 00:30:09,366
because Cary had built
himself up to do this.
480
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,050
Lenna: And that was the night
that he followed through
481
00:30:12,083 --> 00:30:13,403
with Carole,
Juli, and Silvina.
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00:30:15,433 --> 00:30:18,273
When neighbors heard of
Cary Stayner's violent plan
483
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:22,320
for Lenna and her family,
they were left in shock.
484
00:30:22,350 --> 00:30:25,300
Williams: First and foremost,
horrifying to me as a mother.
485
00:30:25,333 --> 00:30:27,273
They lived very near to me.
486
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:31,320
And I felt sick to my stomach.
487
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:34,320
I pretty much lost my childhood
from that moment on.
488
00:30:34,350 --> 00:30:38,100
Jackson: Since 1999, Lenna has
struggled to make sense
489
00:30:38,133 --> 00:30:41,483
of Cary Stayner's traumatic
betrayal of her family.
490
00:30:42,016 --> 00:30:43,446
Lenna:
This person that we adored,
491
00:30:43,483 --> 00:30:46,203
who wanted to do
these awful things to us,
492
00:30:46,233 --> 00:30:49,233
never even said
a word to us again.
493
00:30:49,266 --> 00:30:52,266
I still have questions
that are not answered.
494
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:54,220
How could you?
Why would you?
495
00:30:54,250 --> 00:30:56,280
Do you feel any guilt?
496
00:30:56,316 --> 00:31:00,016
And Lenna has also felt anguish
over being a survivor
497
00:31:00,050 --> 00:31:02,200
of the Cary Stayner
killing spree.
498
00:31:02,233 --> 00:31:04,473
It haunted me for a long time
499
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,430
knowing that three other women
lost their lives,
500
00:31:08,466 --> 00:31:12,076
when Cary had confessed
to my mom, my sister, and I
501
00:31:12,116 --> 00:31:14,396
being his original
intended victims.
502
00:31:14,433 --> 00:31:19,233
They're the version of me
that was fatally taken away.
503
00:31:19,266 --> 00:31:22,366
♪♪
504
00:31:24,466 --> 00:31:30,426
♪♪
505
00:31:30,466 --> 00:31:33,476
Jordan: Cary Stayner is
technically a serial killer,
506
00:31:34,016 --> 00:31:38,316
but his first homicide
was really a mass murder.
507
00:31:38,350 --> 00:31:43,000
He killed three women at once
in an act of sexual predation
508
00:31:43,033 --> 00:31:46,103
that was really high-risk.
509
00:31:46,133 --> 00:31:48,433
You almost never see this
510
00:31:48,466 --> 00:31:52,446
as a first murder
for a serial killer.
511
00:31:52,483 --> 00:31:54,433
Gagliano: And when Cary Stayner
was confronted
512
00:31:54,466 --> 00:31:57,016
with losing control
of Joie Armstrong
513
00:31:57,050 --> 00:31:59,420
as she courageously
fought for her life,
514
00:31:59,450 --> 00:32:02,370
it enraged him.
515
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,230
Armstrong: And he said,
"She had made me so angry,
516
00:32:06,266 --> 00:32:10,276
I just wanted to do the most
heinous thing I could think of."
517
00:32:10,316 --> 00:32:12,016
And he cut her head off.
518
00:32:14,083 --> 00:32:18,033
The outcome of her
fighting so hard
519
00:32:18,066 --> 00:32:20,276
was the evidence that was left.
520
00:32:20,316 --> 00:32:23,466
Law enforcement agents want
to build the strongest possible
521
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,220
criminal case
against Cary Stayner.
522
00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:29,380
They know that his confession
alone is simply not enough
523
00:32:29,416 --> 00:32:31,426
to guarantee
a guilty verdict at trial.
524
00:32:31,466 --> 00:32:32,446
[Indistinct chatter
525
00:32:32,483 --> 00:32:34,273
Just because someone
says something
526
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:35,430
doesn't make it true.
527
00:32:35,466 --> 00:32:38,076
You're gonna need corroboration.
528
00:32:42,416 --> 00:32:45,216
Jackson:
They urgently needed to collect
the physical evidence
529
00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:47,480
Cary Stayner
had scattered in remote places
530
00:32:48,016 --> 00:32:50,396
throughout
the Yosemite backcountry.
531
00:32:50,433 --> 00:32:54,083
Gagliano:
Because only the killer would
know under what tree
532
00:32:54,116 --> 00:32:55,276
the body was laid
533
00:32:55,316 --> 00:32:59,126
or what portion of the creek
he laid the decapitated head in.
534
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,020
Cary Stayner agreed
to fully cooperate,
535
00:33:06,050 --> 00:33:07,400
beginning with
those critical items
536
00:33:07,433 --> 00:33:10,223
from Joie Armstrong's murder.
537
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:14,420
I think that FBI Agent Rinek's
work was the key in all of it
538
00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:16,380
to get that tour.
539
00:33:16,416 --> 00:33:20,096
Unbelievable.
540
00:33:20,133 --> 00:33:23,133
The next day,
they got him out of jail.
541
00:33:23,166 --> 00:33:24,276
To here.
542
00:33:24,316 --> 00:33:30,266
Rinek: I met Cary and
my partners at Joie's cabin.
543
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:32,150
My name is Jeff Rinek.
544
00:33:32,183 --> 00:33:34,203
I am a special agent
with the FBI.
545
00:33:34,233 --> 00:33:36,273
This is Cary.
546
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:40,400
And Cary is going
to take us to an area
547
00:33:40,433 --> 00:33:42,373
where he committed a crime,
548
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,270
and he's gonna show us
what happened.
549
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:48,480
Dr. Kidd:
Information was leaked.
550
00:33:49,016 --> 00:33:52,246
We snuck over the ridge
and peeked down
551
00:33:52,283 --> 00:33:54,053
to see what was going on.
552
00:33:54,083 --> 00:33:55,403
I come in on the walkway.
553
00:33:55,433 --> 00:33:59,153
Saw a guy being walked through
the crime scene by the FBI.
554
00:33:59,183 --> 00:34:00,173
Rinek: Okay.
555
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,420
And I told her
to get on the bed
556
00:34:01,450 --> 00:34:04,130
with her face pointing
that way.
557
00:34:04,166 --> 00:34:09,166
The first thing I asked Cary
to do was to demonstrate on me
558
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,270
how he murdered Joie
559
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:15,120
to see if what he showed me
would fit how she was killed.
560
00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:16,300
I put my arm
underneath her arm.
561
00:34:16,333 --> 00:34:17,333
Okay, so you do that.
Okay.
562
00:34:17,366 --> 00:34:20,176
I just led her out
of the house here.
563
00:34:20,216 --> 00:34:24,146
Rinek:
Everything he said proved true.
564
00:34:26,233 --> 00:34:30,103
Then, suddenly, in a potentially
devastating moment,
565
00:34:30,133 --> 00:34:33,083
the killer nearly comes
fact-to-face
566
00:34:33,116 --> 00:34:36,226
with Joie Armstrong's
grieving mother.
567
00:34:36,266 --> 00:34:39,226
Ironically,
when we were driving out
568
00:34:39,266 --> 00:34:42,146
with Cary to start
the evidence retrieval,
569
00:34:42,183 --> 00:34:45,423
we passed Leslie coming in.
570
00:34:45,450 --> 00:34:48,170
I think they realized that we
were there with him,
571
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,300
so I think they kept her
where she was until we left.
572
00:34:52,333 --> 00:34:55,303
Luckily, she didn't know.
573
00:34:55,333 --> 00:34:59,183
On the way out
of Joie's cabin, we stopped,
574
00:34:59,216 --> 00:35:04,296
and he pointed to where
he had left the knife.
575
00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:06,233
We refer to this
as a home-run case,
576
00:35:06,266 --> 00:35:11,046
because that just further
incriminates him.
577
00:35:11,083 --> 00:35:13,173
With Cary Stayner
still under guard,
578
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,280
agents moved on to collect
the key physical evidence
579
00:35:16,316 --> 00:35:19,066
in the Sund/Pelosso
triple murder.
580
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:22,150
Rinek: We drove about 50 miles,
581
00:35:22,183 --> 00:35:26,123
and he points to where he threw
the knife he used to kill Juli
582
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:28,230
and the duct tape.
583
00:35:28,266 --> 00:35:31,266
They found both exactly
where he said it was.
584
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:32,470
Jackson: The mountain
of forensic evidence
585
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,020
revealed to investigators
that Cary Stayner alone
586
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:39,370
committed
the depraved Yosemite murders.
587
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,050
Maddock: I previously expressed
a belief that the key players
588
00:35:43,083 --> 00:35:46,433
in the Sund/Pelosso case
were already in custody.
589
00:35:46,466 --> 00:35:48,476
In light
of yesterday's arrest, however,
590
00:35:49,016 --> 00:35:51,446
the possible involvement of
others in the murders of Carole,
591
00:35:51,483 --> 00:35:55,373
Juli, and Silvina
is being re-evaluated.
592
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,120
Jackson: Afterwards,
FBI inspectors determined
593
00:35:58,150 --> 00:36:01,130
that James Maddock
mishandled the investigation,
594
00:36:01,166 --> 00:36:05,426
and in January 2001, he was
quietly removed from his post.
595
00:36:13,016 --> 00:36:15,226
Rowlands: Cary Stayner was one
step ahead of them.
596
00:36:15,266 --> 00:36:18,466
Because he was so cunning
and so detached,
597
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,450
he was able to fool the FBI.
598
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:30,170
♪♪
599
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,430
♪♪
600
00:36:33,466 --> 00:36:37,176
♪♪
601
00:36:37,216 --> 00:36:38,316
[ Camera shutter clicks ]
602
00:36:38,350 --> 00:36:42,250
I don't burden myself
with carrying hate around.
603
00:36:42,283 --> 00:36:44,223
It doesn't fix anything.
604
00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:47,030
Jackson:
Leslie Armstrong did not want
a future tied up
605
00:36:47,066 --> 00:36:50,326
with painful legal battles
determining Cary Stayner's fate,
606
00:36:50,366 --> 00:36:54,276
and so she decided to take
some control over the process.
607
00:36:54,316 --> 00:36:58,316
A simple death penalty does not
mean that it's over and done.
608
00:36:58,350 --> 00:37:02,070
I asked if
the Federal Government
609
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:05,130
would accept life
with no chance of release,
610
00:37:05,166 --> 00:37:08,046
and I got it.
611
00:37:08,083 --> 00:37:11,003
Jackson: After pleading guilty
to the murder of Joie Armstrong,
612
00:37:11,033 --> 00:37:13,323
Cary Stayner was sentenced
to life in prison
613
00:37:13,350 --> 00:37:17,280
without parole
on November 30, 2000.
614
00:37:17,316 --> 00:37:20,076
Stayner sobbed and turned
to Joie's family
615
00:37:20,116 --> 00:37:22,416
to give
an impromptu apology.
616
00:37:22,450 --> 00:37:24,320
He turned in our direction.
617
00:37:24,350 --> 00:37:26,350
He said, "I'm sorry."
618
00:37:26,383 --> 00:37:31,123
Joie's boyfriend
just started wailing.
619
00:37:31,150 --> 00:37:36,170
I'd never heard a man cry
like that.
620
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,480
That was heartbreaking.
621
00:37:38,016 --> 00:37:42,116
♪♪
622
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:45,180
Gagliano:
Eight months after the deaths
of Carole and Juli Sund
623
00:37:45,216 --> 00:37:48,246
and Silvina Pelosso,
Cary Stayner was charged
624
00:37:48,283 --> 00:37:50,003
with their murders.
625
00:37:50,033 --> 00:37:52,223
Justice, however,
would have to come later,
626
00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:54,280
in a high-stakes
courtroom battle
627
00:37:54,316 --> 00:37:56,326
for Cary Stayner's life.
628
00:37:56,366 --> 00:37:59,276
The Carringtons were ready.
629
00:37:59,316 --> 00:38:02,276
They pursued the death penalty.
630
00:38:02,316 --> 00:38:06,016
In July 2002,
The State v. Cary Stayner
631
00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:07,380
murder trial began.
632
00:38:07,416 --> 00:38:10,096
Blitzer:
He's confessed to a series
of grisly murders.
633
00:38:10,133 --> 00:38:13,423
Now Cary Stayner wants off
the hook with an insanity plea.
634
00:38:13,450 --> 00:38:15,080
Gagliano: Stayner's defense team
635
00:38:15,116 --> 00:38:18,066
called upon half-a-dozen
mental health experts.
636
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:22,070
Amongst those was at least
one who would cite brain scans
637
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:23,320
indicating Stayner suffers
638
00:38:23,350 --> 00:38:27,180
from an obsessive-compulsive
disorder, depression,
639
00:38:27,216 --> 00:38:29,466
and an unspecified
psychosis.
640
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,330
Reporter:
Do you think he's crazy?
641
00:38:31,366 --> 00:38:34,046
No.
642
00:38:34,083 --> 00:38:36,203
Prosecutors were prepared
to prove Stayner
643
00:38:36,233 --> 00:38:40,403
knew right from wrong.
644
00:38:40,433 --> 00:38:45,383
Renowned forensic psychiatrist
Dr. Park Dietz spent two days
645
00:38:45,416 --> 00:38:48,446
evaluating Cary Stayner
for the prosecution.
646
00:38:48,483 --> 00:38:55,433
My testimony was largely focused
on steps he took before,
647
00:38:55,466 --> 00:39:01,166
during, and after the crime
to indulge his sexual fantasy
648
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,170
without being caught.
649
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,030
In the courtroom, there were
days that he would tear up.
650
00:39:08,066 --> 00:39:10,166
There were times when he seemed
completely uninterested
651
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,020
in what was happening.
652
00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:16,100
It was an interesting study
into a serial killer.
653
00:39:16,133 --> 00:39:19,103
♪♪
654
00:39:19,133 --> 00:39:24,303
Gagliano:
On August 26, 2002, Cary Stayner
was convicted of triple murder,
655
00:39:24,333 --> 00:39:26,383
and a few weeks
before Christmas,
656
00:39:26,416 --> 00:39:28,426
he was sentenced to death.
657
00:39:28,466 --> 00:39:33,296
♪♪
658
00:39:33,333 --> 00:39:37,203
Cary is a resident on death row
at San Quentin prison.
659
00:39:37,233 --> 00:39:39,303
Purdy:
There's no capital punishment
in California anymore,
660
00:39:39,333 --> 00:39:43,203
so I Imagine he'll spend
the rest of his life in prison,
661
00:39:43,233 --> 00:39:45,303
on death row.
662
00:39:45,333 --> 00:39:48,273
Whether you get
the death penalty or not,
663
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:52,200
damage has been done
that can't be fixed.
664
00:39:52,233 --> 00:39:55,473
My child's still dead.
665
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,370
Lenna:
It haunted me for a long time.
666
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,220
I would feel guilty,
667
00:40:02,250 --> 00:40:05,230
and it comes from
having survivor's guilt.
668
00:40:05,266 --> 00:40:08,416
I'll never forget them.
669
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:11,030
Francis:
Hate is a terrible thing.
670
00:40:11,066 --> 00:40:18,026
I think it wouldn't be
beneficial to hate Cary Stayner.
671
00:40:18,066 --> 00:40:20,016
Jackson: The Carringtons put
all of their emotions
672
00:40:20,050 --> 00:40:23,180
into something positive that
could help other families --
673
00:40:23,216 --> 00:40:27,326
the Carole Sund-Carrington
Memorial Reward Foundation.
674
00:40:27,366 --> 00:40:33,246
This nonprofit organization
was helping to look for children
675
00:40:33,283 --> 00:40:37,033
and families that were
missing or murdered,
676
00:40:37,066 --> 00:40:40,026
and we really did help.
677
00:40:40,066 --> 00:40:42,396
I think Carole and I
have a life.
678
00:40:42,433 --> 00:40:48,233
I don't think we ought to let
Cary Stayner ruin our life, too.
679
00:40:48,266 --> 00:40:52,466
Dr. Kidd:
Joie's story is one of many,
but certainly a spectacular one,
680
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,400
and there's still
a legacy to her story.
681
00:40:56,433 --> 00:41:01,053
The Armstrong Scholars program
is a testimony
682
00:41:01,083 --> 00:41:04,003
to her legacy living on.
683
00:41:04,033 --> 00:41:09,183
Every year, 12 to 13 young women
learn outdoor survival skills.
684
00:41:09,216 --> 00:41:12,146
They learn how strong they are.
685
00:41:12,183 --> 00:41:14,403
I don't want people
to remember Cary.
686
00:41:14,433 --> 00:41:18,353
I'd rather them remember the
beautiful women who were lost.
687
00:41:18,383 --> 00:41:26,383
♪♪
688
00:41:26,416 --> 00:41:29,376
All these years later, the story
of the missing women of Yosemite
689
00:41:29,416 --> 00:41:32,126
is still a valuable
cautionary tale.
690
00:41:32,166 --> 00:41:35,026
It emphasizes how important
it is to trust your intuition
691
00:41:35,066 --> 00:41:37,246
when an encounter with
a stranger feels wrong
692
00:41:37,283 --> 00:41:39,333
or dangerous,
because, sometimes,
693
00:41:39,366 --> 00:41:44,196
the handsome neighbor
or the handyman is a killer.
694
00:41:44,233 --> 00:41:47,253
And as for FBI Special Agent
Jeff Rinek,
695
00:41:47,283 --> 00:41:50,273
he retired from the FBI in 2006.
696
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:53,250
Rinek told us since his wife
joined him in retirement,
697
00:41:53,283 --> 00:41:56,273
it's the happiest
he's ever been.
698
00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:58,080
Thanks for watching.
699
00:41:58,116 --> 00:41:59,376
Good night.
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