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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,133 --> 00:00:12,123 There was a bogeyman amongst us. 2 00:00:12,150 --> 00:00:16,030 And he was taking children who look like us. 3 00:00:16,066 --> 00:00:18,366 McComas: I noticed in the front seat a pair of gloves 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,330 and a flashlight. 5 00:00:20,366 --> 00:00:22,266 Pearson: He fit what they considered 6 00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:25,420 the profile of a serial killer. 7 00:00:25,450 --> 00:00:29,080 Drolet: Little bits of evidence just keep adding up. 8 00:00:29,116 --> 00:00:32,316 Smith: How could he have done all those things? 9 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,280 Hello, and welcome to "How It Really Happened." 10 00:00:49,316 --> 00:00:51,046 I'm Hill Harper. 11 00:00:51,083 --> 00:00:54,033 It was one of the most painful chapters in Atlanta's history. 12 00:00:54,066 --> 00:00:56,066 Beginning in the summer of 1979, 13 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:58,000 more than two dozen Black children 14 00:00:58,033 --> 00:01:00,353 and young adults vanished without a trace. 15 00:01:00,383 --> 00:01:04,173 Days, weeks, and in some cases months later, 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,280 they were found murdered. 17 00:01:06,316 --> 00:01:09,446 Parents were afraid to let their children out of their sight. 18 00:01:09,483 --> 00:01:12,383 The city called for a curfew, and a special task force 19 00:01:12,416 --> 00:01:15,446 was set up of more than 100 investigators. 20 00:01:15,483 --> 00:01:18,453 They believed many of the murders were linked, 21 00:01:18,483 --> 00:01:21,053 but they had no viable suspects. 22 00:01:21,083 --> 00:01:22,423 There were several theories. 23 00:01:22,450 --> 00:01:24,250 Could it be a serial killer, 24 00:01:24,283 --> 00:01:26,383 or someone in the community the victims trusted, 25 00:01:26,416 --> 00:01:30,226 maybe a police officer, or maybe the Ku Klux Klan? 26 00:01:30,266 --> 00:01:33,166 This is how it really happened. 27 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,030 Bottoms: Children were disappearing. 28 00:01:47,066 --> 00:01:48,366 They were walking to bus stops 29 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,020 or they had been out with their friends, 30 00:01:51,050 --> 00:01:55,130 and they were disappearing. 31 00:01:55,166 --> 00:01:56,266 Good evening. 32 00:01:56,300 --> 00:01:59,150 Another child has been found murdered in Atlanta. 33 00:02:04,466 --> 00:02:06,226 Man: What was tying them together 34 00:02:06,266 --> 00:02:09,026 were what you call victimology. 35 00:02:09,066 --> 00:02:10,376 They were all Black. 36 00:02:10,416 --> 00:02:15,076 They all had disappeared under strange circumstances 37 00:02:15,116 --> 00:02:17,416 and then been discovered murdered. 38 00:02:17,450 --> 00:02:22,000 Reporter: So, the search goes on for yet another missing child. 39 00:02:22,033 --> 00:02:24,083 The police would say that they didn't know 40 00:02:24,116 --> 00:02:26,996 whether they were looking for one killer, 41 00:02:27,033 --> 00:02:29,003 for multiple killers. 42 00:02:29,033 --> 00:02:31,353 It'd had to be someone who could move 43 00:02:31,383 --> 00:02:35,383 within the Black community unnoticed. 44 00:02:35,416 --> 00:02:37,266 Procopio: Oh, it was frustrating as hell. 45 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:40,370 No crime scene. No evidence. No witnesses. 46 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,370 Automatically people thought Klan. 47 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:44,420 You went through all these theories -- 48 00:02:44,450 --> 00:02:46,200 that it was the Klan, 49 00:02:46,233 --> 00:02:48,483 that is was the police or the authorities -- 50 00:02:49,016 --> 00:02:50,266 someone who the kids may have known 51 00:02:50,300 --> 00:02:52,370 or someone who the kids didn't fear. 52 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,430 How is he getting them in the car? 53 00:02:54,466 --> 00:02:58,416 How is this person getting control over these children? 54 00:02:58,450 --> 00:03:02,180 The last victims were found in a body of water. 55 00:03:02,216 --> 00:03:05,316 That was an obvious attempt to wash away any evidence. 56 00:03:05,350 --> 00:03:08,130 The guy is probably throwing them off of bridges. 57 00:03:08,166 --> 00:03:10,296 And they said, "We want to watch the bridges." 58 00:03:12,383 --> 00:03:16,203 And as luck would have it, last night, last bridge, 59 00:03:16,233 --> 00:03:18,023 there's a splash. 60 00:03:18,050 --> 00:03:20,320 [ Water splashes ] 61 00:03:27,033 --> 00:03:29,103 He looks up. 62 00:03:31,050 --> 00:03:34,200 It was an old station wagon, white in color. 63 00:03:34,233 --> 00:03:35,273 Droplet: It looked like it was starting from 64 00:03:35,300 --> 00:03:38,020 a stopped position. 65 00:03:38,050 --> 00:03:42,200 So the car goes to the end of the bridge. 66 00:03:42,233 --> 00:03:43,333 Little does he know there's a police car 67 00:03:43,366 --> 00:03:44,416 hiding in the bushes. 68 00:03:44,450 --> 00:03:47,050 And the other surveillance team 69 00:03:47,083 --> 00:03:49,483 watched him go up and turn around at the Starvin' Marvin. 70 00:03:53,416 --> 00:03:55,996 That's when the pursuit cars had pulled him over. 71 00:03:56,033 --> 00:03:58,223 [ Siren wailing ] 72 00:03:58,250 --> 00:04:01,250 Reporter: He was first detained early on the morning of May 22nd 73 00:04:01,283 --> 00:04:05,233 while driving over a bridge across the Chattahoochee River. 74 00:04:05,266 --> 00:04:07,426 I said, "My name's agent McComas. 75 00:04:07,466 --> 00:04:11,276 Do you know why we've stopped you?" 76 00:04:11,316 --> 00:04:13,026 He volunteered immediately, 77 00:04:13,066 --> 00:04:16,016 "I'll bet this is about those boys, isn't it?" 78 00:04:16,050 --> 00:04:18,270 Which was a very interesting thing to say. 79 00:04:18,300 --> 00:04:20,300 And he expressed a displeasure 80 00:04:20,333 --> 00:04:23,323 in the media coverage of the killings. 81 00:04:23,350 --> 00:04:25,020 Reporter: Yesterday, there was much press coverage 82 00:04:25,050 --> 00:04:26,250 of the cases. 83 00:04:26,283 --> 00:04:30,453 We believe that the murderer was paying 84 00:04:30,483 --> 00:04:34,373 very, very close attention to all the media coverage. 85 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,230 It really got my attention. 86 00:04:36,266 --> 00:04:40,276 I said, "Can we have consent to search your car?" 87 00:04:40,316 --> 00:04:42,066 I noticed in the front seat 88 00:04:42,100 --> 00:04:44,450 a pair of gloves and a flashlight. 89 00:04:44,483 --> 00:04:47,303 And as I looked in the back on the floorboard, 90 00:04:47,333 --> 00:04:51,483 I noticed that there was a cord that was knotted at both ends. 91 00:04:52,016 --> 00:04:56,296 About two foot long length, which some people might think 92 00:04:56,333 --> 00:04:59,373 you could use as a ligature for strangling somebody. 93 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,000 That's when I ask him if he would mind 94 00:05:03,033 --> 00:05:05,223 getting in the car with me to talk a minute. 95 00:05:05,250 --> 00:05:07,200 And he was very pleasant. 96 00:05:07,233 --> 00:05:10,233 He told me that he was a talent scout. 97 00:05:10,266 --> 00:05:12,116 He said he had an appointment the next morning 98 00:05:12,150 --> 00:05:14,300 with two sisters, Cheryl and Barbara Johnson 99 00:05:14,333 --> 00:05:17,453 that lived at Spanish Trace apartments. 100 00:05:17,483 --> 00:05:21,253 He didn't know exactly how to find it. 101 00:05:21,283 --> 00:05:23,483 And I said, "So let me get this right. 102 00:05:24,016 --> 00:05:26,426 "You are out at 3:00 in the morning 103 00:05:26,466 --> 00:05:29,076 "trying to determine where an address is 104 00:05:29,116 --> 00:05:30,126 so that you won't be late?" 105 00:05:30,166 --> 00:05:33,226 Drolet: Not a good explanation. 106 00:05:33,266 --> 00:05:35,026 McComas: He denied throwing anything over. 107 00:05:35,066 --> 00:05:36,366 He denied stopping. 108 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,420 All they had was they heard this noise. 109 00:05:39,450 --> 00:05:41,220 [ Water splashes ] 110 00:05:41,250 --> 00:05:44,200 They believe it to be a body, but they don't know. 111 00:05:44,233 --> 00:05:45,353 Procopio: It's two hours. 112 00:05:45,383 --> 00:05:47,373 We're pushing the envelope in detaining him. 113 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:52,170 Glover: And they didn't think they had enough to arrest him. 114 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,270 And so, they let him go. 115 00:05:55,300 --> 00:05:57,480 When he left, I looked around and asked, 116 00:05:58,016 --> 00:05:59,476 "Where's the stuff you took out of the car?" 117 00:06:00,016 --> 00:06:01,466 Didn't take the rope. Didn't take anything. 118 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,420 McComas: Why it didn't happen, I-I don't know. 119 00:06:03,450 --> 00:06:05,230 Huge mistake. 120 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:12,300 Reporter: The body of Nathaniel Cater was found 121 00:06:12,333 --> 00:06:14,453 just down from that same bridge. 122 00:06:14,483 --> 00:06:16,283 Reporter 2: Nathaniel Cater fits the profile 123 00:06:16,316 --> 00:06:18,366 of the other murdered Blacks. 124 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,420 Like 17 of the victims, he was asphyxiated. 125 00:06:21,450 --> 00:06:24,300 The main exception is he's older than the other victims. 126 00:06:24,333 --> 00:06:26,023 He was 27. 127 00:06:26,050 --> 00:06:31,450 The ages of the victims are seemingly getting older. 128 00:06:31,483 --> 00:06:34,133 The fact of the matter is we've had five young adults 129 00:06:34,166 --> 00:06:36,126 who have been killed. 130 00:06:36,166 --> 00:06:39,346 Peterson: Nathaniel Cater was nude when pulled from the river. 131 00:06:39,383 --> 00:06:43,483 In his hair, there was a layer of silt against the scalp, 132 00:06:44,016 --> 00:06:48,466 and there were fibers still entrapped inside that silt. 133 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,430 There was dog hair, violet acetate, 134 00:06:51,466 --> 00:06:54,476 the green carpet fiber, all in his head hair. 135 00:06:55,016 --> 00:06:57,316 That same trace evidence was being turned up 136 00:06:57,350 --> 00:07:00,170 on one more than one victim. 137 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,020 At that point, we knew we had to talk to the guy 138 00:07:04,050 --> 00:07:06,320 that was on the bridge that night. 139 00:07:06,350 --> 00:07:10,350 They think that the person had thrown a body off the bridge. 140 00:07:17,283 --> 00:07:18,273 Reporter: Many Atlanta parents aren't letting their children 141 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:20,120 out of their sight for one second, 142 00:07:20,150 --> 00:07:22,150 with the exception of school hours. 143 00:07:22,183 --> 00:07:24,433 What we had here was a predator. 144 00:07:24,466 --> 00:07:27,416 These children trusted whoever they went to. 145 00:07:27,450 --> 00:07:31,200 And by the time they figured out that they were not safe, 146 00:07:31,233 --> 00:07:34,223 they were already unable to do anything about it. 147 00:07:34,250 --> 00:07:36,270 Now let us update you on the missing 148 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:38,000 and murdered children in Atlanta 149 00:07:38,033 --> 00:07:40,023 and the possibility of a suspect. 150 00:07:40,050 --> 00:07:43,120 Before that night, when he was stopped 151 00:07:43,150 --> 00:07:47,370 on the James Jackson bridge, we had no viable suspects. 152 00:07:51,116 --> 00:07:52,196 Reporter: We're all down here standing 153 00:07:52,233 --> 00:07:54,303 outside the Federal Building. 154 00:07:54,333 --> 00:07:57,483 And from what we understand, they have a suspect in custody 155 00:07:58,016 --> 00:08:00,346 that they're now interviewing. 156 00:08:00,383 --> 00:08:01,403 Procopio: He's not very tall. 157 00:08:01,433 --> 00:08:03,273 He's not very threatening looking. 158 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:07,130 There's no muscular development at all. 159 00:08:07,166 --> 00:08:08,466 Who the hell is this guy? 160 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,000 They ask him if he'd like to take a lie detector test, 161 00:08:12,033 --> 00:08:13,273 and he says, "Of course." 162 00:08:13,300 --> 00:08:16,130 Dick Rackleff was one of our very first polygraphers, 163 00:08:16,166 --> 00:08:18,216 one of the best of the best. 164 00:08:18,250 --> 00:08:20,420 Rackleff: Well, his personality was very, very interesting. 165 00:08:20,450 --> 00:08:25,280 He was very composed, very calm. 166 00:08:25,316 --> 00:08:26,996 "Here's what I wanna ask you. 167 00:08:27,033 --> 00:08:31,253 "Did you cause the death of Nathaniel Cater? 168 00:08:31,283 --> 00:08:33,483 And did you throw his body into the Chattahoochee River?" 169 00:08:34,016 --> 00:08:37,276 "No." 170 00:08:37,316 --> 00:08:39,376 Asked him if he was nervous or anxious. 171 00:08:39,416 --> 00:08:41,046 "No." 172 00:08:41,083 --> 00:08:43,383 His hands were sweating profusely 173 00:08:43,416 --> 00:08:45,316 and left little pools of water 174 00:08:45,350 --> 00:08:48,300 where he had been holding his hands. 175 00:08:48,333 --> 00:08:51,203 Rackleff: And we ran three charts. 176 00:08:51,233 --> 00:08:52,473 It showed deception. 177 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,470 He fails it on all the key questions, 178 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,030 such as "Did you murder Nathaniel Cater?" 179 00:08:58,066 --> 00:09:00,166 "Did you drop the body of Nathaniel Cater 180 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:01,470 in the Chattahoochee River?" 181 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,300 And then he said, "Am I under arrest?" 182 00:09:05,333 --> 00:09:06,483 They brought him in for questioning 183 00:09:07,016 --> 00:09:08,396 to get him away from the house 184 00:09:08,433 --> 00:09:11,033 and served a search warrant at the same time. 185 00:09:11,066 --> 00:09:13,296 That's when the first search of the home occurred 186 00:09:13,333 --> 00:09:17,403 and also a search of the station wagon. 187 00:09:17,433 --> 00:09:18,433 Reporter: Have you heard about the raid 188 00:09:18,466 --> 00:09:20,076 on the suspect's home tonight? 189 00:09:20,116 --> 00:09:21,446 Woman: We understand there was a raid this evening. 190 00:09:21,483 --> 00:09:24,203 They're not making any further comment about it. 191 00:09:24,233 --> 00:09:27,403 Of course, none of the evidence that had been seen the night 192 00:09:27,433 --> 00:09:30,183 he was stopped on the bridge was still there. 193 00:09:30,216 --> 00:09:32,426 The rope and the -- the gloves. 194 00:09:32,466 --> 00:09:34,246 Drolet: Those items were all missing. 195 00:09:36,283 --> 00:09:37,403 McComas: Entering the house, 196 00:09:37,433 --> 00:09:40,453 the first thing I'm looking for is a green carpet. 197 00:09:40,483 --> 00:09:42,023 Reporter: For months now, 198 00:09:42,050 --> 00:09:43,200 the lab has gathered mounds of possible 199 00:09:43,233 --> 00:09:44,383 evidence in these cases -- 200 00:09:44,416 --> 00:09:49,196 everything from carpet and blanket fibers to dog hair. 201 00:09:49,233 --> 00:09:51,033 McComas: The green carpet fiber -- 202 00:09:51,066 --> 00:09:54,266 I mean, I'd seen it so many times from different victims. 203 00:09:54,300 --> 00:09:57,100 And there was a green carpet in Williams' bedroom 204 00:09:57,133 --> 00:09:58,403 and throughout the house. 205 00:09:58,433 --> 00:10:00,053 Reporter: A search of the home of the suspect 206 00:10:00,083 --> 00:10:04,173 in Northwest Atlanta tonight yielded bags of evidence. 207 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,220 But we were advised that he was not going 208 00:10:06,250 --> 00:10:08,470 to be arrested that night. 209 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,420 We have not nor do we intend to make an arrest. 210 00:10:11,450 --> 00:10:13,480 For 11 hours last night, Federal, State, 211 00:10:14,016 --> 00:10:16,316 and local authorities thought that they had a man responsible 212 00:10:16,350 --> 00:10:20,450 for some of the 28 murders of young Blacks in Atlanta. 213 00:10:20,483 --> 00:10:22,103 Peterson: But we needed more information 214 00:10:22,133 --> 00:10:24,003 about the green carpet. 215 00:10:24,033 --> 00:10:27,323 The evidence was not fully developed by any stretch. 216 00:10:27,350 --> 00:10:28,470 Reporter: The individual, 217 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,270 whose name is not being released by the media 218 00:10:30,300 --> 00:10:33,170 because no criminal charges were filed against him, 219 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,000 was returned to his Northwest Atlanta 220 00:10:35,033 --> 00:10:36,283 home early in the morning. 221 00:10:36,316 --> 00:10:38,326 Surprisingly, he gets home, 222 00:10:38,366 --> 00:10:41,166 and he decides he's going to call a press conference. 223 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,280 He was telling his side of the story. 224 00:10:48,133 --> 00:10:52,173 Drolet: But he says "You can't film me, so don't show my face." 225 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,280 The cameras are turned on the reporters. 226 00:10:54,316 --> 00:10:56,046 It was just totally bizarre. 227 00:11:00,416 --> 00:11:04,126 Glover: He passed out résumés to the press that morning, 228 00:11:04,166 --> 00:11:06,416 basically identifying himself. 229 00:11:06,450 --> 00:11:09,220 Droplet: And everybody looked at that résumé and just thought, 230 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:13,000 "What is this guy all about?" 231 00:11:13,033 --> 00:11:15,433 Suggs: Wayne Bertram Williams was a 23-year-old 232 00:11:15,466 --> 00:11:17,176 part-time photographer, 233 00:11:17,216 --> 00:11:20,226 part-time music producer who lived with his parents. 234 00:11:20,266 --> 00:11:22,066 Baltazar: Wayne Williams? 235 00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:26,150 A young Black man doing all these killings? 236 00:11:26,183 --> 00:11:28,033 We just say, "No." 237 00:11:28,066 --> 00:11:29,226 Brooks: There's no way in the world 238 00:11:29,266 --> 00:11:31,116 he could be involved in anything like this. 239 00:11:31,150 --> 00:11:35,250 I mean, you know, he's a perfect kid. 240 00:11:35,283 --> 00:11:37,133 Procopio: Only child. 241 00:11:37,166 --> 00:11:40,466 Mother Faye, father Homer, 242 00:11:41,016 --> 00:11:43,476 both educators in the Atlanta school system. 243 00:11:44,016 --> 00:11:46,376 Smith: He had built his radio station in his parents' home. 244 00:11:46,416 --> 00:11:48,176 small-Watt station, 245 00:11:48,216 --> 00:11:52,146 but he'd interviewed local politicians and celebrities. 246 00:11:52,183 --> 00:11:54,423 At the time, I remember being extremely impressed 247 00:11:54,450 --> 00:11:56,180 that a 13-year-old kid 248 00:11:56,216 --> 00:11:58,246 would have a neighborhood radio station. 249 00:11:58,283 --> 00:12:01,103 He was even featured in "Jet" magazine 250 00:12:01,133 --> 00:12:03,433 as, you know, this young kind of wunderkind. 251 00:12:03,466 --> 00:12:07,466 He was kinda known as kinda like this wannabe everything. 252 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,080 He had been a cameraman stringer. 253 00:12:11,116 --> 00:12:15,026 It would not be unusual for him to show up at crime scenes. 254 00:12:15,066 --> 00:12:16,296 Reporter: This film of a pre-dawn house fire 255 00:12:16,333 --> 00:12:19,353 was shot by Wayne Williams and aired on Action News 256 00:12:19,383 --> 00:12:22,153 in October of 1978. 257 00:12:22,183 --> 00:12:25,323 And most recently, Williams says he has acted as a talent scout. 258 00:12:25,350 --> 00:12:27,320 Williams: We have a young group that we've been putting together 259 00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:31,280 since 1977, a group called Gemini. 260 00:12:31,316 --> 00:12:35,326 So therefore, he came in contact with young boys. 261 00:12:35,366 --> 00:12:37,016 Because Wayne, at the time, 262 00:12:37,050 --> 00:12:39,400 was trying to put together groups like a Jackson 5. 263 00:12:39,433 --> 00:12:42,323 So he's going around passing out his flyers, you know, 264 00:12:42,350 --> 00:12:44,350 "Can you sing or play an instrument?" 265 00:12:44,383 --> 00:12:46,173 You know, "Call me." 266 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,350 The kids knew him. 267 00:12:47,383 --> 00:12:50,333 He was offering them stardom. 268 00:12:50,366 --> 00:12:54,046 Well, police don't say he's a suspect or a primary suspect, 269 00:12:54,083 --> 00:12:58,203 but the task force is still keeping an eye on Williams. 270 00:12:58,233 --> 00:13:00,123 Williams: It was a mob scene. 271 00:13:00,150 --> 00:13:03,070 There were literally 200 or 300 people 272 00:13:03,100 --> 00:13:05,450 clustered around the house. 273 00:13:05,483 --> 00:13:06,483 Reporter: Reporters and photographers 274 00:13:07,016 --> 00:13:08,346 have been camped out across the street 275 00:13:08,383 --> 00:13:11,253 from this person's home in Northwest Atlanta. 276 00:13:11,283 --> 00:13:13,273 I did not think that this case 277 00:13:13,300 --> 00:13:16,030 would get that far in my naivete. 278 00:13:16,066 --> 00:13:18,026 And I was afraid, you know, my God. 279 00:13:18,066 --> 00:13:20,026 "Wayne, are you the monster?" 280 00:13:26,416 --> 00:13:29,196 Woman: ♪ Jesus ♪ 281 00:13:29,233 --> 00:13:31,083 Reporter: At the Mount Olive Baptist church, 282 00:13:31,116 --> 00:13:34,016 friends and family gather to pay their last respects 283 00:13:34,050 --> 00:13:37,020 to 27-year-old Nathaniel Cater. 284 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:38,230 The family and the authorities 285 00:13:38,266 --> 00:13:40,426 are all asking the same questions now -- 286 00:13:40,466 --> 00:13:42,076 why did it happen? 287 00:13:42,116 --> 00:13:43,396 Who murdered him? 288 00:13:46,266 --> 00:13:48,316 We needed to make sure Wayne Williams 289 00:13:48,350 --> 00:13:50,080 doesn't get out of sight. 290 00:13:50,116 --> 00:13:51,466 Reporter: When Wayne left briefly, 291 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,370 a trail of cars filled with local 292 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,450 and federal agents followed him. 293 00:13:55,483 --> 00:13:57,433 They're always present outside the home. 294 00:13:57,466 --> 00:14:01,346 This kind of circus atmosphere prevailed for 10 days or so. 295 00:14:01,383 --> 00:14:03,253 Ford: He liked messing with the cops. 296 00:14:03,283 --> 00:14:05,103 He decided he was gonna just drive 297 00:14:05,133 --> 00:14:07,173 into the international airport. 298 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,180 The helicopter had to pull off and go away 299 00:14:09,216 --> 00:14:12,166 because they couldn't follow him into the airspace. 300 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,450 That takes a lot of nerve. 301 00:14:13,483 --> 00:14:18,123 Our client's life and the lives of his family and friends 302 00:14:18,150 --> 00:14:20,400 have become a virtual nightmare. 303 00:14:20,433 --> 00:14:22,473 Hey, man, I'm asking you, are you gonna quit following me 304 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,080 or not? 305 00:14:24,116 --> 00:14:26,066 My orders are to stay with the police. 306 00:14:26,100 --> 00:14:27,420 I'm not following you. I'm following them. 307 00:14:27,450 --> 00:14:29,380 Well, hey, I'm telling you to quit followin' me. 308 00:14:29,416 --> 00:14:31,126 'Cause I'm saying at this point, you're followin' me, 309 00:14:31,166 --> 00:14:33,066 and you're on private property. 310 00:14:33,100 --> 00:14:35,350 And if I were you, I'd get the hell off. 311 00:14:35,383 --> 00:14:38,073 They basically had him under surveillance 312 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:40,400 while they were building the case. 313 00:14:40,433 --> 00:14:42,383 He fit the FBI profile. 314 00:14:42,416 --> 00:14:45,126 Single, Black, male, educated, 315 00:14:45,166 --> 00:14:47,216 living with his parents, highly intelligent. 316 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:49,250 A police wannabe. 317 00:14:49,283 --> 00:14:52,383 In 1976, he showed up at a scene of a traffic wreck 318 00:14:52,416 --> 00:14:53,466 and he's taking pictures 319 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,400 and he's got a blue light and a siren, 320 00:14:55,433 --> 00:14:58,383 so they arrested him for impersonating a police officer. 321 00:14:58,416 --> 00:15:01,226 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Describes Wayne. 322 00:15:01,266 --> 00:15:03,366 But you can't use a profile in court. 323 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,070 We had him on the bridge 324 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:09,230 when the body of Nathaniel Cater was thrown. 325 00:15:09,266 --> 00:15:11,476 Man: He just says, "I'm looking for Cheryl Johnson." 326 00:15:12,016 --> 00:15:13,226 She never surfaced. 327 00:15:13,266 --> 00:15:18,326 The phone number that he said he called for another business. 328 00:15:18,366 --> 00:15:23,246 What was he doing out at 3 in the morning? 329 00:15:23,283 --> 00:15:26,003 Reporter: Top law enforcement officials met with the governor 330 00:15:26,033 --> 00:15:27,153 of Georgia, Mr. Busbee, 331 00:15:27,183 --> 00:15:29,073 at the governor's residence on Friday, 332 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:31,150 at the request of Vice President Bush. 333 00:15:31,183 --> 00:15:33,103 To try to persuade Mr. Slaton, 334 00:15:33,133 --> 00:15:36,153 who was the district attorney, to charge Wayne. 335 00:15:36,183 --> 00:15:40,133 Man: Louis Slaton was there, the head of the GBI was there. 336 00:15:40,166 --> 00:15:41,226 McMichael: And at that time, 337 00:15:41,266 --> 00:15:42,346 Wayne was still under surveillance, 338 00:15:42,383 --> 00:15:44,173 cameras around his house And everything. 339 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,350 We're all kind of watching 340 00:15:45,383 --> 00:15:50,073 Wayne to see if he was going to do anything outrageous. 341 00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:52,170 Reporter: That's when Wayne slipped past the police. 342 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,200 People tried to chase. He was enjoying this. 343 00:15:55,233 --> 00:15:57,453 He ended up in front of the home of police commissioner 344 00:15:57,483 --> 00:15:59,053 Lee Brown. 345 00:15:59,083 --> 00:16:00,473 I think he got a kick out of sort of toying 346 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,020 with the folks who were surveilling him. 347 00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:05,130 Reporter: Crime lab technicians 348 00:16:05,166 --> 00:16:07,026 are finding promising similarities 349 00:16:07,066 --> 00:16:09,176 between fibers found in Williams' house 350 00:16:09,216 --> 00:16:13,076 and fibers found on the bodies of some of the child victims. 351 00:16:13,116 --> 00:16:16,216 I threw a sample of the green carpet from the bedroom 352 00:16:16,250 --> 00:16:21,170 under the microscope, and it just was -- there it is. 353 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,420 And then there was a source of dog hair. 354 00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:26,280 There in the back of the house, tied up is Sheba, 355 00:16:26,316 --> 00:16:28,416 the family German shepherd. 356 00:16:28,450 --> 00:16:32,020 Peterson: And then the suspect's bed was a violet 357 00:16:32,050 --> 00:16:33,400 and green bedspread. 358 00:16:35,483 --> 00:16:40,033 With the bridge incident and with the strength of hairs 359 00:16:40,066 --> 00:16:43,426 and fibers, I knew we had a good case. 360 00:16:46,466 --> 00:16:48,146 There was blood found in the backseat 361 00:16:48,183 --> 00:16:50,083 of the station wagon. 362 00:16:50,116 --> 00:16:53,346 They were able to dig down and cut out little pieces 363 00:16:53,383 --> 00:16:56,253 of the upholstery from the backseat. 364 00:16:56,283 --> 00:16:58,183 There were two different types of blood. 365 00:16:58,216 --> 00:17:02,176 The blood was still fresh. 366 00:17:02,216 --> 00:17:05,246 Man: At approximately 5:00 P.M. this date, 367 00:17:05,283 --> 00:17:10,083 Wayne Williams was taken into custody on an arrest warrant. 368 00:17:10,116 --> 00:17:13,096 We picked the best two cases that we could tie to 369 00:17:13,133 --> 00:17:17,273 the James Jackson Parkway Bridge where we found Williams. 370 00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:20,130 Man: Charging him with the criminal homicide 371 00:17:20,166 --> 00:17:22,026 of Mr. Nathaniel Cater. 372 00:17:24,166 --> 00:17:27,166 Wayne Williams was subsequently then charged 373 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,000 with the homicide of Jimmy Ray Payne. 374 00:17:31,033 --> 00:17:34,253 They were both found in close proximity to that bridge. 375 00:17:34,283 --> 00:17:36,323 Reporter: When Cater was found, he was nude. 376 00:17:36,350 --> 00:17:38,420 Payne was clad in only undershorts. 377 00:17:38,450 --> 00:17:40,280 They were in the river, but they said they found 378 00:17:40,316 --> 00:17:42,446 some of those fibers on those two bodies. 379 00:17:42,483 --> 00:17:45,303 Peterson: The fibers were adherent to the briefs. 380 00:17:45,333 --> 00:17:48,003 Both Jimmy Ray Payne and Nathaniel Cater, 381 00:17:48,033 --> 00:17:52,153 they both had the green carpet fiber that matched. 382 00:17:54,316 --> 00:18:00,016 I remember the news flash, "suspect," da, da, da, da, da. 383 00:18:00,050 --> 00:18:01,250 And I saw him. 384 00:18:01,283 --> 00:18:04,103 Reporter: Williams was the hottest possible suspect. 385 00:18:04,133 --> 00:18:05,323 And I started putting stuff together 386 00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:07,130 'cause I remember the guy. 387 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,280 Welcome back to "How It Really Happened." 388 00:18:14,316 --> 00:18:16,316 Wayne Williams was charged with killing two men 389 00:18:16,350 --> 00:18:18,000 whose bodies were discovered floating 390 00:18:18,033 --> 00:18:19,423 in the Chattahoochee River. 391 00:18:19,450 --> 00:18:21,350 Unique fibers found on the victims 392 00:18:21,383 --> 00:18:24,153 matched fibers found in Wayne's home. 393 00:18:24,183 --> 00:18:26,483 Still, doubts were beginning to emerge 394 00:18:27,016 --> 00:18:30,266 about how these cases were connected to the other murders. 395 00:18:30,300 --> 00:18:32,230 Most of the victims were children. 396 00:18:32,266 --> 00:18:33,446 Then there was Wayne himself, 397 00:18:33,483 --> 00:18:36,323 small in stature and soft-spoken. 398 00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:38,330 Would he be physically able to overpower 399 00:18:38,366 --> 00:18:41,396 and kill all of the victims by himself? 400 00:18:41,433 --> 00:18:44,073 Or was somebody else still out there? 401 00:18:46,300 --> 00:18:48,280 Reporter: According to public safety commissioner Lee Brown, 402 00:18:48,316 --> 00:18:51,226 the special task force is still working under the assumption 403 00:18:51,266 --> 00:18:54,166 that there is more than one person involved. 404 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,070 Our resolve is to continue our efforts 405 00:18:57,100 --> 00:19:00,320 until we bring closure to all of the cases. 406 00:19:00,350 --> 00:19:01,450 Reporter: Atlanta's mayor Maynard Jackson 407 00:19:01,483 --> 00:19:03,233 and President Reagan met at the White House 408 00:19:03,266 --> 00:19:05,096 to discuss the murders. 409 00:19:05,133 --> 00:19:07,183 During that meeting, Maynard Jackson was told 410 00:19:07,216 --> 00:19:09,116 that the FBI would stay with the case 411 00:19:09,150 --> 00:19:11,130 until all the murders were solved. 412 00:19:13,166 --> 00:19:14,296 Reporter: Under very tight security, 413 00:19:14,333 --> 00:19:17,153 23-year-old accused killer Wayne Williams was whisked 414 00:19:17,183 --> 00:19:20,123 into an Atlanta Fulton County superior court, 415 00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:23,270 where he pleaded innocent to two counts of murder. 416 00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:29,030 Nobody saw Wayne Williams commit any kind of criminal act. 417 00:19:29,066 --> 00:19:32,326 All they had was dustbusters, you know, 418 00:19:32,366 --> 00:19:34,326 little bits of -- of fibers. 419 00:19:34,366 --> 00:19:39,366 Who thought about fiber in 1981 as a way to catch a criminal? 420 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,070 We had no fingerprints. 421 00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:43,270 We didn't have DNA at the time. 422 00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:47,450 I could not believe that this little guy could have 423 00:19:47,483 --> 00:19:52,083 physically pulled that body out of that station wagon 424 00:19:52,116 --> 00:19:54,366 and thrown it in that river. 425 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,270 Wayne's defense was "I did not do it. 426 00:19:58,300 --> 00:20:01,080 You've got the wrong guy." 427 00:20:01,116 --> 00:20:04,276 The FBI thought he fit what they considered 428 00:20:04,316 --> 00:20:07,116 the profile of a serial killer. 429 00:20:10,216 --> 00:20:13,296 When the trial first starts, people are wondering 430 00:20:13,333 --> 00:20:15,373 how could this be about the Atlanta child murders? 431 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,400 Because they're charging him 432 00:20:17,433 --> 00:20:20,053 with the murder of these two adults. 433 00:20:20,083 --> 00:20:22,053 I was Wayne's first attorney. 434 00:20:22,083 --> 00:20:26,083 Miss Welcome had not had much criminal law experience, 435 00:20:26,116 --> 00:20:28,446 particularly in the homicide realm. 436 00:20:28,483 --> 00:20:32,373 Mr. Binder saw himself as assisting her, 437 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,180 but in truth he was the principle attorney, 438 00:20:36,216 --> 00:20:39,196 and then I was there to help him. 439 00:20:39,233 --> 00:20:41,103 Man: Is this case winnable? 440 00:20:41,133 --> 00:20:42,323 Oh, yes, sir. 441 00:20:42,350 --> 00:20:46,370 Everybody, to my knowledge, was pro bono, 442 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,030 meaning, of course, no money, no fee. 443 00:20:50,066 --> 00:20:54,016 And Wayne Williams -- he himself had no resources. 444 00:20:54,050 --> 00:20:56,050 We have no money to get experts. 445 00:20:56,083 --> 00:21:00,423 We have no money to hire people to do the fiber analysis. 446 00:21:03,233 --> 00:21:05,283 Reporter: Prosecutors say the fibers and dog hairs 447 00:21:05,316 --> 00:21:07,096 taken from Williams' home 448 00:21:07,133 --> 00:21:10,403 match those found on the bodies of his two alleged victims. 449 00:21:10,433 --> 00:21:12,183 The crown jewel of the physical evidence 450 00:21:12,216 --> 00:21:16,046 that links the cases together is the green carpet fiber. 451 00:21:16,083 --> 00:21:21,253 That green carpet is made up of a very unusual fiber. 452 00:21:21,283 --> 00:21:22,433 When you look at it on cross section, 453 00:21:22,466 --> 00:21:27,396 has two very large lobes and then one very short lobe. 454 00:21:27,433 --> 00:21:31,303 Whoever made it was trying to get around Dupont's patent 455 00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:34,003 on a trilobal-shape carpet fiber. 456 00:21:34,033 --> 00:21:35,283 Drolet: It ends up that the Wellman Company 457 00:21:35,316 --> 00:21:39,076 had made this fiber in a very small quantity. 458 00:21:39,116 --> 00:21:41,096 Reporter: Only a little more than 1,500 square yards 459 00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:43,183 of the carpet was sold in the Southeast 460 00:21:43,216 --> 00:21:46,026 during the first six months of 1971. 461 00:21:46,066 --> 00:21:49,246 82 rooms of carpet for the entire state of Georgia. 462 00:21:49,283 --> 00:21:52,073 Three rooms were in the Williams' home. 463 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:54,250 Both Jimmy Ray Payne and Nathaniel Cater, 464 00:21:54,283 --> 00:21:59,353 they both had the green Wellman 181b carpet fiber that matched. 465 00:21:59,383 --> 00:22:00,433 It almost became a slam dunk 466 00:22:00,466 --> 00:22:04,246 because this type of fiber was so rare. 467 00:22:04,283 --> 00:22:06,453 So, it was all right there in the house. 468 00:22:06,483 --> 00:22:11,053 There were these violet colored fibers from his bedspread. 469 00:22:11,083 --> 00:22:14,133 He had a German shepherd. That dog fiber was there. 470 00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:17,366 They found some of those similar fibers on those two bodies. 471 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,080 We ended up with three fiber experts, 472 00:22:20,116 --> 00:22:24,226 all concluding that if you had all three of these fibers, 473 00:22:24,266 --> 00:22:26,466 it is virtually impossible 474 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,480 that these victims were not in contact with 475 00:22:30,016 --> 00:22:33,466 Wayne Williams immediately prior to death. 476 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,270 You think about the Atlanta child murders, 477 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:38,270 and he was only charged with the murders of two adults. 478 00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:39,400 But they did bring evidence 479 00:22:39,433 --> 00:22:43,333 for 10 other murders to the trial. 480 00:22:43,366 --> 00:22:47,276 They were part of a pattern and logically connected, 481 00:22:47,316 --> 00:22:49,466 particularly by the fiber evidence. 482 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,250 Reporter: Judge Clarence Cooper ruled in favor 483 00:22:51,283 --> 00:22:53,153 of admitting evidence from 10 additional 484 00:22:53,183 --> 00:22:55,153 Atlanta youth murder cases. 485 00:22:55,183 --> 00:23:00,153 The 10 children victims that the prosecution contended 486 00:23:00,183 --> 00:23:04,073 were linked through fiber evidence. 487 00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:05,480 But for some reason, they wouldn't charge 488 00:23:06,016 --> 00:23:07,126 Wayne with them. 489 00:23:07,166 --> 00:23:08,396 Smith: It was in this instance 490 00:23:08,433 --> 00:23:13,133 that the Atlanta child murders entered the courtroom. 491 00:23:13,166 --> 00:23:16,426 There were 700 fibers from 492 00:23:16,466 --> 00:23:21,126 18 sources tied to Williams. 493 00:23:23,233 --> 00:23:26,053 Not only are there all these fibers from the house, 494 00:23:26,083 --> 00:23:29,003 but they find the fibers from the car 495 00:23:29,033 --> 00:23:33,053 match fibers found on many of the most recent victims. 496 00:23:33,083 --> 00:23:36,103 Before they had the station wagon, 497 00:23:36,133 --> 00:23:41,073 the Williams family had a red Ford LTD. 498 00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:43,320 Eric Middlebrooks, when he was murdered, 499 00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:49,050 he has a clump of red fiber stuck in his shoe. 500 00:23:49,083 --> 00:23:53,323 Detective Buffington notices it in the band of the shoe. 501 00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:56,330 It matches the interior carpeting of the red 502 00:23:56,366 --> 00:24:00,416 Ford LTD that the Williams family is using at the time 503 00:24:00,450 --> 00:24:04,220 that Eric Middlebrooks is murdered. 504 00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:06,030 These were little bits of evidence 505 00:24:06,066 --> 00:24:08,016 that just keep adding up. 506 00:24:08,050 --> 00:24:09,300 We had a couple medical examiners 507 00:24:09,333 --> 00:24:12,103 who said if you're strangling somebody 508 00:24:12,133 --> 00:24:14,183 and asphyxiating them from behind, 509 00:24:14,216 --> 00:24:15,426 they are going to grab your arms. 510 00:24:15,466 --> 00:24:17,376 They are going to reach over and -- 511 00:24:17,416 --> 00:24:20,266 and claw as they're dying. 512 00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:23,470 We had four witnesses who had seen scratches 513 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,250 on Wayne Williams. 514 00:24:25,283 --> 00:24:27,153 Reporter: Bennett told the jury he noticed some scratches on 515 00:24:27,183 --> 00:24:29,323 Williams' arm and face one day. 516 00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:31,350 Williams told him his dog bit him. 517 00:24:31,383 --> 00:24:34,033 Kathy Andrews, a record studio owner, 518 00:24:34,066 --> 00:24:37,376 told the jury both arms were scratched from the elbow down. 519 00:24:41,283 --> 00:24:44,233 Rogers: I was over in the Southeast side of town. 520 00:24:44,266 --> 00:24:48,166 We were staying at Thomasville Heights apartments. 521 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,070 I was more than glued to the television. 522 00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:53,480 Isaac, he was the little brother of Patrick Rogers. 523 00:24:54,016 --> 00:24:56,026 My brother was kidnapped 524 00:24:56,066 --> 00:24:58,326 and murdered from these apartments. 525 00:25:00,483 --> 00:25:02,283 My brother Patrick, not only did he sing, 526 00:25:02,316 --> 00:25:04,166 he'd actually write songs. 527 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,270 Pretty good at it, too. 528 00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:07,400 Butts: I know that Patrick had stated to me 529 00:25:07,433 --> 00:25:10,433 that he was working with someone that was going to manage them. 530 00:25:10,466 --> 00:25:13,246 I don't know who it was, whether it was 531 00:25:13,283 --> 00:25:14,383 Wayne Williams or not. 532 00:25:14,416 --> 00:25:18,396 Did you ever meet any of the young men who were victims? 533 00:25:18,433 --> 00:25:20,233 No, I did not. 534 00:25:20,266 --> 00:25:22,476 -Never met them once? -No. 535 00:25:27,116 --> 00:25:29,446 In our apartment complex, there was a lady, 536 00:25:29,483 --> 00:25:33,323 Miss Willie Mae, who sold the sweets and treats and stuff. 537 00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:35,450 One night, it was me and my two cousins. 538 00:25:35,483 --> 00:25:38,223 We went together to Miss Willie Mae's apartment. 539 00:25:38,250 --> 00:25:40,400 A gentleman steps from behind the wall. 540 00:25:40,433 --> 00:25:43,353 He was blocking our exits off, and we started screaming. 541 00:25:43,383 --> 00:25:45,433 And my two cousins took off. 542 00:25:45,466 --> 00:25:47,316 And I turned around, and I ran back 543 00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:50,150 to Miss Willie Mae's door, and I'm beating, I'm beating. 544 00:25:50,183 --> 00:25:52,423 I say he got within maybe four to five feet 545 00:25:52,450 --> 00:25:54,430 of Miss Willie Mae and I. 546 00:25:54,466 --> 00:25:56,426 And then he looks back over at me, 547 00:25:56,466 --> 00:25:57,466 and then he steps off the porch 548 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,370 and disappears around the building. 549 00:26:02,133 --> 00:26:05,073 And I remember being home, watching the news. 550 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:06,450 Reporter: Wayne Williams emerged from his parents' house 551 00:26:06,483 --> 00:26:08,403 only once today. 552 00:26:08,433 --> 00:26:12,083 Same bushy afro, glasses, buttoned-down shirt. 553 00:26:12,116 --> 00:26:14,446 Nobody else knew it, but I knew that they had the guy. 554 00:26:17,116 --> 00:26:19,366 Anybody who knows me, come on. 555 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,180 This -- this isn't me. 556 00:26:22,216 --> 00:26:23,466 Reporter: If anything is spectacular, 557 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,130 it could be Williams' own testimony. 558 00:26:26,166 --> 00:26:29,226 He may have to take the stand to explain his alibi. 559 00:26:29,266 --> 00:26:31,316 I think they thought there's too many questions that 560 00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:34,070 only Wayne Williams can answer. 561 00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:36,020 And then they got him on the stand. 562 00:26:42,066 --> 00:26:42,416 Reporter: This was a day for Wayne Williams 563 00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:44,130 to face his accusers. 564 00:26:44,166 --> 00:26:46,166 The 23-year-old freelance photographer 565 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,400 took the witness stand at his trial in Atlanta. 566 00:26:49,433 --> 00:26:53,003 Smith: Wayne, he had the gift of Gab. 567 00:26:53,033 --> 00:26:55,473 I think he's very convincing. 568 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,400 Reporter: 23-year-old accused killer Wayne Williams denied 569 00:26:58,433 --> 00:27:01,203 murdering two Blacks he's charged with killing. 570 00:27:01,233 --> 00:27:02,383 I didn't kill anybody. 571 00:27:02,416 --> 00:27:03,466 -You didn't kill anybody? -I didn't kill anybody. 572 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,420 -Not one person? -Not one person. 573 00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:07,080 And Wayne sounded great. 574 00:27:07,116 --> 00:27:08,276 So you never stopped on the bridge? No, I didn't. 575 00:27:08,316 --> 00:27:10,176 -You didn't throw trash? -No. 576 00:27:10,216 --> 00:27:12,276 -You didn't throw anything? -No, I did not. 577 00:27:12,316 --> 00:27:15,366 -You didn't throw a body? -Definitely not a body. No. 578 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,250 Mallard: Wayne had answers for everything. 579 00:27:18,283 --> 00:27:20,383 Reporter: One by one, 23-year-old accused killer 580 00:27:20,416 --> 00:27:23,446 Wayne Williams refuted the testimony of state witnesses 581 00:27:23,483 --> 00:27:26,183 linking him to Atlanta murder victims. 582 00:27:26,216 --> 00:27:29,446 He called the witnesses liars or unfamiliar to him. 583 00:27:29,483 --> 00:27:34,283 And I knew that he figured he could out-talk the prosecutor. 584 00:27:34,316 --> 00:27:38,016 And John Douglas from the FBI behavioral science unit, 585 00:27:38,050 --> 00:27:39,300 he's been watching this. 586 00:27:39,333 --> 00:27:41,453 They had suggested the serial killers are real good 587 00:27:41,483 --> 00:27:44,373 in the short run and real bad in the long run. 588 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,350 Then they advised us to keep him on the witness stand. 589 00:27:48,383 --> 00:27:50,303 Jim Kitchens, one of his co-counsel, 590 00:27:50,333 --> 00:27:55,153 had to go out to the jail and talk to him that night. 591 00:27:55,183 --> 00:27:56,283 We said, "You know, Wayne, 592 00:27:56,316 --> 00:27:59,076 "the things that he's accusing you of 593 00:27:59,116 --> 00:28:02,326 would normally make a person furious." 594 00:28:02,366 --> 00:28:05,346 We said, "You're on trial for your life here. 595 00:28:05,383 --> 00:28:08,273 It's okay to show some emotion." 596 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:10,020 "You need to fight every word he says. 597 00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:12,200 You need to show some fire." 598 00:28:12,233 --> 00:28:13,333 What's up, people? 599 00:28:13,366 --> 00:28:16,996 The next morning, he was a complete different person. 600 00:28:19,066 --> 00:28:22,216 Mallard says to Wayne, "How did it feel 601 00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:27,300 when you were choking the lives out of those victims?" 602 00:28:27,333 --> 00:28:28,473 Kitchens: Wayne said, "Mr. Mallard, 603 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,450 you must be a fool." 604 00:28:30,483 --> 00:28:33,403 "You want the real Wayne Williams? You got him." 605 00:28:33,433 --> 00:28:39,073 And Wayne goes bananas, basically -- yells at us. 606 00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:40,200 Calls us goons. 607 00:28:40,233 --> 00:28:44,073 I'm like, "This man gotta be crazy." 608 00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:46,350 Williams: I could see almost the shock in the jurors' faces. 609 00:28:46,383 --> 00:28:48,183 Everybody said, "My God, is this the same 610 00:28:48,216 --> 00:28:49,346 Wayne that was up here yesterday?" 611 00:28:49,383 --> 00:28:51,053 I could see that. 612 00:28:51,083 --> 00:28:54,253 The prosecution contended that Williams 613 00:28:54,283 --> 00:28:59,123 was a dual personality -- a Jekyll and Hyde. 614 00:28:59,150 --> 00:29:01,380 More evidence is piling up against accused murderer 615 00:29:01,416 --> 00:29:03,396 Wayne Williams, and for the first time, 616 00:29:03,433 --> 00:29:06,123 the prosecution is speculating on a motive 617 00:29:06,150 --> 00:29:08,280 for some of the Atlanta child murders. 618 00:29:08,316 --> 00:29:10,076 They were trying to say that he just 619 00:29:10,116 --> 00:29:12,026 didn't like poor Black kids. 620 00:29:12,066 --> 00:29:15,246 These people were just a burden on society. 621 00:29:24,283 --> 00:29:27,103 He's berating the victims. 622 00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:31,153 We presented witnesses who said he had made derogatory 623 00:29:31,183 --> 00:29:34,183 remarks about poor street kids. 624 00:29:34,216 --> 00:29:36,296 "They're keeping down the Black race." 625 00:29:36,333 --> 00:29:38,183 And so, I believe, for whatever reason, 626 00:29:38,216 --> 00:29:44,046 he'd taken it on himself to cleanse the race. 627 00:29:44,083 --> 00:29:46,453 Mary Welcome, in her closing arguments, 628 00:29:46,483 --> 00:29:51,003 she actually put a thimble on the banister 629 00:29:51,033 --> 00:29:55,123 in front of the jury and said, "The state's case is basically 630 00:29:55,150 --> 00:29:57,480 just a thimbleful of evidence." 631 00:29:58,016 --> 00:30:00,376 But Lewis Slaton, he was a really good attorney. 632 00:30:00,416 --> 00:30:05,296 He told the jury that when Wayne Williams was arrested, 633 00:30:05,333 --> 00:30:08,033 the murders of young 634 00:30:08,066 --> 00:30:11,446 African-American males stopped. 635 00:30:11,483 --> 00:30:13,133 Drolet: Dr. Stivers, who was then 636 00:30:13,166 --> 00:30:15,016 chief medical examiner of Fulton County, 637 00:30:15,050 --> 00:30:19,030 had testified prior to 1979, 638 00:30:19,066 --> 00:30:22,296 they'd just never had homicides by asphyxia. 639 00:30:22,333 --> 00:30:24,473 And then all of a sudden, there was a spike. 640 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,170 After Wayne Williams was stopped on the bridge, 641 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,330 it goes down to zero. 642 00:30:29,366 --> 00:30:33,476 In fact, there has not been a single murder or child 643 00:30:34,016 --> 00:30:36,376 reported missing since I've been mayor. 644 00:30:36,416 --> 00:30:39,346 And during the campaign, I was in pretty close touch 645 00:30:39,383 --> 00:30:42,233 with the police and Mayor Jackson. 646 00:30:42,266 --> 00:30:45,066 And I don't think that kind of thing 647 00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:48,400 could be kept quiet in a city like Atlanta. 648 00:30:48,433 --> 00:30:50,403 Reporter: The fate of accused killer Wayne Williams 649 00:30:50,433 --> 00:30:52,433 is now in the hands of the jury. 650 00:30:52,466 --> 00:30:54,466 Drolet: Do they believe Wayne Williams? 651 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,480 Do they feel sorry for Wayne Williams? 652 00:30:57,016 --> 00:30:59,166 All it takes is one person saying, 653 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,330 "I ain't gonna convict him," and you got a hung jury. 654 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,250 After nine weeks of trial, the jury came back in 11 hours. 655 00:31:12,283 --> 00:31:15,303 It was shocking. 656 00:31:15,333 --> 00:31:19,253 Mr. Williams was found guilty of two counts of murder. 657 00:31:19,283 --> 00:31:22,423 And identifying him basically as the serial killer 658 00:31:22,450 --> 00:31:25,250 that was terrorizing Atlanta for two years. 659 00:31:29,083 --> 00:31:31,273 Williams was sentenced on February 27th 660 00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:33,170 to two consecutive life terms 661 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,370 in the murders of two young Atlanta Blacks. 662 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,080 I was sitting in the bedroom when they said 663 00:31:38,116 --> 00:31:41,126 that he was found guilty. 664 00:31:41,166 --> 00:31:42,426 I said, "Thank you, Jesus. 665 00:31:42,466 --> 00:31:45,296 Thank you, Jesus. You've answered my prayers." 666 00:31:45,333 --> 00:31:47,283 He's been charged with two murders, 667 00:31:47,316 --> 00:31:50,146 but I know you killed Jeffrey, too. 668 00:31:50,183 --> 00:31:52,383 I knew he killed my son. 669 00:31:52,416 --> 00:31:56,996 But Wayne Williams was only found guilty 670 00:31:57,033 --> 00:32:01,303 on two murders, Cater and Payne, not your son. Right, right. 671 00:32:01,333 --> 00:32:04,203 But I still say he had some kind of connection 672 00:32:04,233 --> 00:32:06,173 in that with my son. 673 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,150 Camille Bell was saying, "No, he didn't do this." 674 00:32:10,183 --> 00:32:12,383 Because Wayne Williams did not commit the murders. 675 00:32:12,416 --> 00:32:14,466 One of the reasons that I don't think 676 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,220 Wayne Williams committed the murders 677 00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:20,280 is that I do not believe that Wayne Williams is Superman. 678 00:32:20,316 --> 00:32:24,166 It would be very difficult to take a body, 679 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:30,150 lift it up over the railing without anybody seeing him. 680 00:32:30,183 --> 00:32:32,453 So, a couple of days after the conviction, 681 00:32:32,483 --> 00:32:35,483 the task force, they held a press conference. 682 00:32:36,016 --> 00:32:37,196 Reporter: Atlanta public safety commissioner 683 00:32:37,233 --> 00:32:39,433 Lee Brown announced the police task force 684 00:32:39,466 --> 00:32:42,996 that investigated the crimes would be disbanded 685 00:32:43,033 --> 00:32:47,053 because most of the murders now were regarded as solved. 686 00:32:47,083 --> 00:32:49,353 Drolet: Probably 24 can be attributed to him, 687 00:32:49,383 --> 00:32:52,173 and that's what were cleared by the task force. 688 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,200 There were 24 that were associated with fiber. 689 00:32:56,233 --> 00:32:57,403 They were all male. 690 00:32:57,433 --> 00:32:59,373 Those two girls are an aberration, 691 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,300 and there have always been thoughts 692 00:33:01,333 --> 00:33:05,203 that someone else was involved in that. 693 00:33:05,233 --> 00:33:07,423 I don't believe Wayne Williams is responsible 694 00:33:07,450 --> 00:33:12,170 or had anything to do with the deaths of Angel Lenair 695 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,330 Or LaTonya Wilson. 696 00:33:13,366 --> 00:33:16,426 Some family members said that, "I felt that my child 697 00:33:16,466 --> 00:33:19,466 deserves his case being heard in court." 698 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,080 The district attorney at that time decided 699 00:33:23,116 --> 00:33:26,096 not to proceed with the other cases, 700 00:33:26,133 --> 00:33:29,253 mainly because Wayne Williams had already 701 00:33:29,283 --> 00:33:32,123 received two life sentences. 702 00:33:32,150 --> 00:33:33,250 Now what are we going to do? 703 00:33:33,283 --> 00:33:35,333 How are we going to find out who killed the kids? 704 00:33:35,366 --> 00:33:38,466 These families have not seen justice at all. 705 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,030 They're just as much a victim as I am. 706 00:33:41,066 --> 00:33:42,346 I wish the families would, you know, 707 00:33:42,383 --> 00:33:45,453 find some kind of peace, but that wasn't the case. 708 00:33:45,483 --> 00:33:48,373 Wayne Williams immediately appealed. 709 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,270 I'm not a quitter. I'm not a coward. 710 00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:52,180 And I'm gonna fight this to the end. 711 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,180 Pearson: Wayne Williams' first appeal was not successful. 712 00:34:03,216 --> 00:34:05,396 Reporter: In Atlanta today, a judge denied a motion 713 00:34:05,433 --> 00:34:07,473 for a new trial for convicted murderer 714 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,280 Wayne Williams. 715 00:34:10,316 --> 00:34:14,176 An appellate court is not gonna overturn a jury verdict 716 00:34:14,216 --> 00:34:17,216 in the absence of some serious error 717 00:34:17,250 --> 00:34:19,420 that they perceived occurred. 718 00:34:25,050 --> 00:34:27,250 Some police at one time suspected 719 00:34:27,283 --> 00:34:29,373 the Klan of being involved in the murders. 720 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,450 Investigators had turned up a report that victim Lubie Geter 721 00:34:34,483 --> 00:34:36,403 had had a confrontation 722 00:34:36,433 --> 00:34:41,303 with a man reported to be in the Ku Klux Klan. 723 00:34:41,333 --> 00:34:46,033 So the GBI did a lot of that investigation -- 724 00:34:46,066 --> 00:34:47,466 wire taps, essentially. 725 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,320 They had these guys under physical surveillance. 726 00:34:50,350 --> 00:34:53,250 The GBI didn't tell anybody that they were investigating it. 727 00:34:53,283 --> 00:34:55,123 They decided to keep it secret. 728 00:34:55,150 --> 00:34:58,020 The prosecution team did not know about it at trial. 729 00:34:58,050 --> 00:35:00,200 It was an entire family of brothers 730 00:35:00,233 --> 00:35:02,133 that were involved in the Klan. 731 00:35:08,133 --> 00:35:12,333 This was a device to keep a race war from happening. 732 00:35:12,366 --> 00:35:14,426 And if they indicted someone from the Klan, 733 00:35:14,466 --> 00:35:17,076 that's what's going to happen, in their opinion. 734 00:35:17,116 --> 00:35:19,996 So, they wanted to sacrifice Wayne Williams 735 00:35:20,033 --> 00:35:21,383 in order to keep the peace. 736 00:35:27,266 --> 00:35:29,076 Reporter: But most important was police informant 737 00:35:29,116 --> 00:35:30,426 Billy Joe Whitaker, 738 00:35:30,466 --> 00:35:33,196 who claims a reputed Ku Klux Klansman 10 years ago 739 00:35:33,233 --> 00:35:35,403 told him the Klan was killing the children. 740 00:35:35,433 --> 00:35:39,103 This little kid run into his van. What little kid? 741 00:35:39,133 --> 00:35:41,073 Geter. On his go-cart. 742 00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:44,030 "Well," he said, "I'm gonna kill that little Black bastard." 743 00:35:44,066 --> 00:35:46,466 Reporter: Charles Sanders allegedly made that comment. 744 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,270 He vehemently denies it -- denies even being a Klansman. 745 00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:54,420 Well, I sympathize with their cause. 746 00:35:54,450 --> 00:35:59,050 As far as myself, I have never been a member of the Klan. 747 00:35:59,083 --> 00:36:01,223 I've never associated with them. 748 00:36:05,433 --> 00:36:08,003 Ingram: We heard a lot of racial slurs. 749 00:36:08,033 --> 00:36:11,273 They were involved in drugs. They were involved in guns. 750 00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:15,280 I was constantly harassed, 751 00:36:15,316 --> 00:36:18,246 under investigation by the GBI. 752 00:36:18,283 --> 00:36:19,473 Blowhard is a good word -- 753 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,100 a person that enjoyed, uh, running their mouth. 754 00:36:24,133 --> 00:36:25,303 We took them into custody. 755 00:36:25,333 --> 00:36:28,023 We interviewed and interrogated them. 756 00:36:28,050 --> 00:36:30,170 When they had these guys under surveillance, 757 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:36,050 three other children were gone missing and murdered, 758 00:36:36,083 --> 00:36:41,023 which led the GBI then to believe that the Klan 759 00:36:41,050 --> 00:36:43,180 certainly was not involved in these three, 760 00:36:43,216 --> 00:36:45,046 and may not have been involved. 761 00:36:45,083 --> 00:36:48,223 The results were conclusive that they were not involved 762 00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:50,230 in either the planning, 763 00:36:50,266 --> 00:36:53,176 the commission, or concealment of any crime 764 00:36:53,216 --> 00:36:56,016 regarding the Atlanta missing/murdered children. 765 00:36:59,033 --> 00:37:01,353 McMichael: There are some people that still want to say 766 00:37:01,383 --> 00:37:04,023 that the Ku Klux Klan did it. 767 00:37:04,050 --> 00:37:08,300 It would just make better sense to some people. 768 00:37:08,333 --> 00:37:10,233 There was never any evidence. 769 00:37:15,150 --> 00:37:18,020 We basically ran into a legal dead-end 770 00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:19,220 with the federal appeals. 771 00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:21,250 Wayne Williams, of course, he still contends 772 00:37:21,283 --> 00:37:22,433 that he didn't do any of them, 773 00:37:22,466 --> 00:37:25,366 that he's not the murderer, he was set up. 774 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,130 Reporter: Louis Graham, the assistant police chief 775 00:37:27,166 --> 00:37:30,166 in Fulton County at the time and part of the missing 776 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,070 and murdered task force, believes Williams. 777 00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:36,030 I don't think Wayne Williams is responsible for anything. 778 00:37:36,066 --> 00:37:39,096 He believed that there was someone else out there. 779 00:37:39,133 --> 00:37:43,403 Maybe you can call it a mother's intuition or just a gut feeling. 780 00:37:43,433 --> 00:37:45,483 I just don't feel like he did it. 781 00:37:46,016 --> 00:37:50,326 There's too many loose ends that's not been answered. 782 00:37:52,466 --> 00:37:56,046 It was confusing and there was no final note 783 00:37:56,083 --> 00:37:57,253 to the whole business. 784 00:37:57,283 --> 00:37:59,123 Their kid's name was never associated 785 00:37:59,150 --> 00:38:04,250 with a killer technically, legally. 786 00:38:04,283 --> 00:38:07,253 The Baltazar case -- there is the single case 787 00:38:07,283 --> 00:38:10,333 with the strongest physical evidence to Wayne Williams. 788 00:38:10,366 --> 00:38:14,216 I believe that there were 12 or 13 different fiber types 789 00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:19,020 linked to Williams found on Baltazar's body. 790 00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:23,280 Hairs were found inside the shirt of Patrick Baltazar. 791 00:38:23,316 --> 00:38:26,266 Back in 1981, the best the FBI lab could do 792 00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:29,330 was say it belongs to a Black male. 793 00:38:29,366 --> 00:38:34,176 They resubmitted the hair in 2007. 794 00:38:34,216 --> 00:38:37,396 Deadman: He is consistent with being the source of the DNA 795 00:38:37,433 --> 00:38:39,253 recovered from those hairs. 796 00:38:39,283 --> 00:38:42,173 It would exclude probably 98% 797 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,280 of the African-American population in the world. 798 00:38:46,316 --> 00:38:49,166 Without a shadow of a doubt, I really in my heart believe 799 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,370 that Wayne Williams killed Patrick Baltazar. 800 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,050 He could have killed all of them. 801 00:38:56,083 --> 00:38:58,433 Smith: There's always this lingering question. 802 00:38:58,466 --> 00:39:02,166 How could he have done all those things? 803 00:39:05,283 --> 00:39:06,323 Keisha Lance bottoms, 804 00:39:06,350 --> 00:39:08,370 who's the mayor of the city of Atlanta, 805 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,100 is saying, "Okay, let's give this a fresh look." 806 00:39:11,133 --> 00:39:13,323 Bottoms: We can't go back and undo what happened 807 00:39:13,350 --> 00:39:16,170 40 years ago in our city. 808 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,000 But we can do better. 809 00:39:18,033 --> 00:39:20,153 Reporter: Last week, Atlanta's mayor announced a new push 810 00:39:20,183 --> 00:39:23,403 to re-examine evidence using modern forensics. 811 00:39:23,433 --> 00:39:25,483 Bottoms: I called our police chief. 812 00:39:26,016 --> 00:39:30,076 I said, "Have we looked at this evidence recently 813 00:39:30,116 --> 00:39:32,066 "with all of the improvements 814 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:35,070 with DNA technology and testing?" 815 00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:39,120 As law enforcement, we have an obligation 816 00:39:39,150 --> 00:39:44,120 to exhaust every conceivable avenue of investigation 817 00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:49,100 and make every effort to help these families find closure. 818 00:39:49,133 --> 00:39:51,133 I want some justice. 819 00:39:51,166 --> 00:39:57,016 I wanna know who killed Curtis so that I can rest in peace. 820 00:39:57,050 --> 00:39:58,400 Suggs: A lot of people contend, "We got him. 821 00:39:58,433 --> 00:40:00,133 Wayne Williams is a killer." 822 00:40:00,166 --> 00:40:02,416 But there's a big contingency of people here in Atlanta 823 00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:06,320 and nationally who don't think he did it, at least all of them. 824 00:40:06,350 --> 00:40:09,050 I think having somebody go back and reopen those 825 00:40:09,083 --> 00:40:11,023 and look at them is a good idea. 826 00:40:11,050 --> 00:40:15,030 I have always hoped that any of those children 827 00:40:15,066 --> 00:40:18,046 who were friends of some of the missing 828 00:40:18,083 --> 00:40:20,083 and murdered children, 829 00:40:20,116 --> 00:40:25,076 who knew something but were afraid to say something, 830 00:40:25,116 --> 00:40:27,246 now will say something. 831 00:40:29,483 --> 00:40:32,053 At the same time, the mayor decided to come up 832 00:40:32,083 --> 00:40:33,273 with some fitting memorial 833 00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:35,180 for the missing and murdered children. 834 00:40:35,216 --> 00:40:36,296 40 years is a long wait. 835 00:40:36,333 --> 00:40:39,203 But I'm happy to be here to see that. 836 00:40:39,233 --> 00:40:42,123 The permanent memorial will be at City Hall 837 00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:44,450 right outside of the mayor's office. 838 00:40:44,483 --> 00:40:47,023 Every mayor here on out 839 00:40:47,050 --> 00:40:49,280 will be able to look out the window 840 00:40:49,316 --> 00:40:54,116 and think about and remember our children. 841 00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:56,430 Edward Smith, age 14. 842 00:40:56,466 --> 00:40:59,266 Alfred Evans, age 13. 843 00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:02,250 Milton Harvey, age 14. 844 00:41:02,283 --> 00:41:05,103 Yusuf Bell, age 9. 845 00:41:05,133 --> 00:41:07,033 Angel Lenair. 846 00:41:07,066 --> 00:41:09,376 I want these children to be remembered, 847 00:41:09,416 --> 00:41:13,466 but more importantly, I want these cases solved. 848 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,270 Success would be to be able 849 00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:19,180 to look into the eyes of each and every family 850 00:41:19,216 --> 00:41:23,216 and know that they know that we care. 851 00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:27,250 Clifford Jones, 13. 852 00:41:27,283 --> 00:41:29,323 All of the evidence in the mysterious Atlanta 853 00:41:29,350 --> 00:41:32,080 child murders case is being re-examined 854 00:41:32,116 --> 00:41:34,476 using advanced DNA technology. 855 00:41:35,016 --> 00:41:36,476 Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms says 856 00:41:37,016 --> 00:41:39,026 she was inspired by the new DNA techniques 857 00:41:39,066 --> 00:41:41,246 that helped find the Golden State killer. 858 00:41:41,283 --> 00:41:44,423 Wayne Williams still insists he did not murder 859 00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:47,050 any of the victims in the Atlanta child case 860 00:41:47,083 --> 00:41:51,173 and that the killer or killers are still out there. 861 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,380 In 2019, he was denied parole. 862 00:41:53,416 --> 00:41:56,316 He will not be considered again until 2027. 863 00:41:56,350 --> 00:41:58,450 He will be 69 years old. 864 00:41:58,483 --> 00:42:02,123 Thanks for watching. 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