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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,280 I hear Ted Bundy in so many different contexts. 2 00:00:08,316 --> 00:00:13,076 I stay me, okay? 3 00:00:13,116 --> 00:00:15,216 I've matured in the past year. 4 00:00:15,250 --> 00:00:17,320 Believe me, I've grown in the past year. 5 00:00:17,350 --> 00:00:22,180 My only misgivings is that I might never be in a position 6 00:00:22,216 --> 00:00:23,346 to apply it, 7 00:00:23,383 --> 00:00:26,373 you know, on the streets where I'd like to apply it. 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:34,280 ♪♪ 9 00:00:34,316 --> 00:00:42,166 ♪♪ 10 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:43,330 Welcome to "How it Really Happened." 11 00:00:43,366 --> 00:00:44,476 I'm Hill Harper. 12 00:00:45,016 --> 00:00:49,046 Across the states from January 1974 13 00:00:49,083 --> 00:00:51,173 through February 1978, 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,470 young women were disappearing and turning up dead, 15 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,480 their bodies found badly beaten and sexually assaulted. 16 00:00:59,016 --> 00:01:03,126 For years detectives in several states searched for clues, 17 00:01:03,166 --> 00:01:05,096 and despite limited physical evidence, 18 00:01:05,133 --> 00:01:07,403 each clue led them back to one man, 19 00:01:07,433 --> 00:01:09,483 a law student named Ted Bundy. 20 00:01:10,016 --> 00:01:13,096 By the time he was captured in Florida, 21 00:01:13,133 --> 00:01:16,223 Bundy had been suspected in dozens of murders, 22 00:01:16,250 --> 00:01:20,370 including a brutal attack on a sorority house in Florida, 23 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,320 but could investigators prove Bundy was, 24 00:01:22,350 --> 00:01:24,480 in fact, a serial killer? 25 00:01:25,016 --> 00:01:27,196 Here's how it really happened. 26 00:01:27,233 --> 00:01:33,003 ♪♪ 27 00:01:33,033 --> 00:01:35,173 Man: From Washington State to Oregon to Utah to Colorado 28 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,030 and now most recently to Florida, 29 00:01:37,066 --> 00:01:39,046 police have discovered a pattern of rape/murders 30 00:01:39,083 --> 00:01:41,023 which coincide with Ted Bundy's movements 31 00:01:41,050 --> 00:01:42,400 over the past five years. 32 00:01:42,433 --> 00:01:44,223 Lynda Ann Healy, 33 00:01:44,250 --> 00:01:46,250 Denise Naslund, Janice Ann Ott, 34 00:01:46,283 --> 00:01:47,333 Georgeann Hawkins, x 35 00:01:47,366 --> 00:01:49,426 and 18-year-old Susan Rancourt. 36 00:01:49,466 --> 00:01:55,476 Woman: When somebody is missing, you imagine the worst things, 37 00:01:56,016 --> 00:01:58,476 and it turns out what happened to her 38 00:01:59,016 --> 00:02:03,066 might have been worse than what we imagined. 39 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:05,200 Man: Some of them were never found. 40 00:02:05,233 --> 00:02:10,033 Others were found -- beaten, raped, strangled, nude. 41 00:02:10,066 --> 00:02:11,476 It seemed probable that all the crimes 42 00:02:12,016 --> 00:02:14,216 have been committed by the same man. 43 00:02:14,250 --> 00:02:17,270 Woman: He was kind of tall, very tanned, 44 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:19,280 very good looking, 45 00:02:19,316 --> 00:02:23,326 and he came up to me and asked me to help him 46 00:02:23,366 --> 00:02:26,046 put his sailboat onto his car. 47 00:02:26,083 --> 00:02:28,253 This guy identified himself as Ted, 48 00:02:28,283 --> 00:02:30,283 and they knew this person drove a Volkswagen. 49 00:02:30,316 --> 00:02:34,376 Woman: We received literally thousands of tips 50 00:02:34,416 --> 00:02:38,296 and, interestingly, Ted Bundy was among them. 51 00:02:38,333 --> 00:02:40,173 Man: People teased him at the office and said, 52 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,000 "Say, your name's Ted and you've got a Volkswagen." 53 00:02:43,033 --> 00:02:44,403 And, of course, they were teasing and laughing about it 54 00:02:44,433 --> 00:02:47,033 because he seemed like the least likely -- 55 00:02:47,066 --> 00:02:48,196 He was the boy next door. 56 00:02:48,233 --> 00:02:51,203 I am not guilty. 57 00:02:51,233 --> 00:02:52,453 I am not guilty of the charges 58 00:02:52,483 --> 00:02:54,353 which have been filed against me. 59 00:02:54,383 --> 00:02:57,203 Bundy was this crafty, cunning, you know, 60 00:02:57,233 --> 00:02:58,473 attractive looking guy. 61 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,270 Woman: I loved talking to Ted 62 00:03:00,300 --> 00:03:03,330 because he's a great, talks about politics, 63 00:03:03,366 --> 00:03:06,076 very well read, very analytical. 64 00:03:06,116 --> 00:03:08,096 He had a lot of influential people that liked him 65 00:03:08,133 --> 00:03:09,223 and believed in him. 66 00:03:09,250 --> 00:03:11,080 He was making a name for himself. 67 00:03:11,116 --> 00:03:12,396 He had said at one point he would like 68 00:03:12,433 --> 00:03:15,223 to have been governor of Washington State. 69 00:03:15,250 --> 00:03:18,180 He had a bachelor's degree in psychology. 70 00:03:18,216 --> 00:03:22,266 He was in law school at the University of Utah. 71 00:03:22,300 --> 00:03:25,250 He even joined the Mormon church. 72 00:03:25,283 --> 00:03:29,123 People were saying, you know, it couldn't be him. 73 00:03:29,150 --> 00:03:32,080 The Ted Bundy we knew was not a violent person. 74 00:03:32,116 --> 00:03:35,316 Man: That was part of the enigma of Ted Bundy, 75 00:03:35,350 --> 00:03:39,250 that he could fool people. 76 00:03:39,283 --> 00:03:43,303 Man: All throughout this, Ted was saying, "I'm innocent," 77 00:03:43,333 --> 00:03:46,483 but we do have some things coming up that says, 78 00:03:47,016 --> 00:03:48,476 "No, he's not." 79 00:03:49,016 --> 00:03:51,426 Man: They had seized the Volkswagen 80 00:03:51,466 --> 00:03:55,276 and vacuumed the inside for evidence. 81 00:03:55,316 --> 00:03:58,126 Man: FBI tests show the hair found in Bundy's car 82 00:03:58,166 --> 00:04:00,466 matched those of the girl abducted in Murray, 83 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,020 the nurse murdered in Colorado, 84 00:04:03,050 --> 00:04:05,480 and a Midvale girl who had been raped and strangled. 85 00:04:06,016 --> 00:04:08,276 That was the first smoking-gun link 86 00:04:08,316 --> 00:04:11,176 to link him to these other killings. 87 00:04:11,216 --> 00:04:12,326 Man: In a Salt Lake City trial, 88 00:04:12,366 --> 00:04:15,476 Bundy was convicted of trying to kidnap Carol DaRonch. 89 00:04:16,016 --> 00:04:18,166 Bundy was later extradited to Colorado 90 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,350 to stand trial for murder there. 91 00:04:20,383 --> 00:04:22,453 He was looking for avenues of escape. 92 00:04:22,483 --> 00:04:24,283 Man: The defendant was in the courtroom, 93 00:04:24,316 --> 00:04:28,296 and the guy was at the door, 94 00:04:28,333 --> 00:04:30,253 and the last time he looked, the defendant was there 95 00:04:30,283 --> 00:04:32,273 and the next time he looked, he was gone. 96 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:36,070 Where did he go? Tallahassee. 97 00:04:36,100 --> 00:04:37,370 Man: He was really under the radar 98 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,430 and nobody recognized him in Florida. 99 00:04:39,466 --> 00:04:42,116 Man: During the predawn hours of January 15th, 100 00:04:42,150 --> 00:04:44,050 the killer walked through an unlocked door 101 00:04:44,083 --> 00:04:45,403 at the Chi Omega sorority house 102 00:04:45,433 --> 00:04:50,003 and brutally beat four FSU coeds as they slept. 103 00:04:50,033 --> 00:04:51,473 Woman: When he came into the sorority house, 104 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,270 he came up the stars. 105 00:04:53,300 --> 00:04:56,330 He had picked up a piece of firewood. 106 00:04:56,366 --> 00:04:59,076 Man: The women who were murdered were 21-year-old Margaret Bowman 107 00:04:59,116 --> 00:05:00,316 and 20-year-old Lisa Levy. 108 00:05:00,350 --> 00:05:02,250 One was one raped and bitten by the killer. 109 00:05:02,283 --> 00:05:05,473 The attack was to Margaret first and then Lisa, 110 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,200 and then he came into our room. 111 00:05:08,233 --> 00:05:10,153 Man: Two girls were murdered, 112 00:05:10,183 --> 00:05:13,083 two others were beaten badly. 113 00:05:13,116 --> 00:05:15,166 There was blood everywhere. 114 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,480 And another woman in another location was also beaten. 115 00:05:20,016 --> 00:05:24,166 Woman: Bundy had pushed a chair under my front door 116 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,230 so they had to kick it in to be able to go in 117 00:05:27,266 --> 00:05:30,166 and then that's where they found me in my bedroom. 118 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,280 Man: The chief suspect, Ted Bundy. 119 00:05:33,316 --> 00:05:37,176 Man: He says, "Al, do you think I really killed those girls 120 00:05:37,216 --> 00:05:41,116 that they claim I did?" 121 00:05:41,150 --> 00:05:44,230 And what I said was, "I don't know for sure, 122 00:05:44,266 --> 00:05:48,246 but I think if you did, you'll likely do it again." 123 00:05:48,283 --> 00:05:53,223 ♪♪ 124 00:05:53,250 --> 00:05:55,270 Woman: Ted Bundy was under arrest, 125 00:05:55,300 --> 00:05:57,170 suspected in both the brutal killings 126 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,050 of the two sorority sisters, 127 00:05:59,083 --> 00:06:02,273 as well as the middle school student Kimberly Leach. 128 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:03,470 Man: 12-year-old Kimberly Leach 129 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,370 vanished from school in Lake City, Florida, 130 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,270 on February 9th. 131 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:09,380 I'd never heard the term "serial killer" before. 132 00:06:09,416 --> 00:06:12,276 She was a pretty little 12-year-old girl 133 00:06:12,316 --> 00:06:14,076 who had just been elected to 134 00:06:14,116 --> 00:06:17,216 the Valentine court at her school. 135 00:06:17,250 --> 00:06:19,200 Man: Once his picture appeared in the paper, 136 00:06:19,233 --> 00:06:22,073 some witnesses in Lake City identified him 137 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:25,000 as being the man who abducted Kimberly Leach. 138 00:06:25,033 --> 00:06:27,033 I mean, two and two added up to four, 139 00:06:27,066 --> 00:06:30,446 and Ted looked like he could be our guy. 140 00:06:30,483 --> 00:06:33,203 But the challenge was that they didn't have 141 00:06:33,233 --> 00:06:37,133 all of the details of Kimberly Leach's disappearance, 142 00:06:37,166 --> 00:06:39,426 and didn't even know where her body was. 143 00:06:39,466 --> 00:06:42,346 Without those details and without her remains, 144 00:06:42,383 --> 00:06:45,273 it was going to be very difficult to build a case. 145 00:06:45,300 --> 00:06:48,400 Man: We had search parties all out in the woods 146 00:06:48,433 --> 00:06:51,003 in Columbia County and Suwannee County 147 00:06:51,033 --> 00:06:54,473 and going west, Madison County towards Tallahassee. 148 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,100 We had to have the body. 149 00:06:57,133 --> 00:06:59,023 Woman: Authorities caught a break 150 00:06:59,050 --> 00:07:00,200 when they discovered a van 151 00:07:00,233 --> 00:07:03,283 near the Florida State University campus. 152 00:07:03,316 --> 00:07:08,196 We had a report from two children in Jacksonville 153 00:07:08,233 --> 00:07:12,333 that a man stopped and asked a young girl, 154 00:07:12,366 --> 00:07:14,026 "Could you help me?" 155 00:07:14,066 --> 00:07:16,426 Her brother was not far behind. 156 00:07:16,466 --> 00:07:19,146 He comes running up and grabs his sister. 157 00:07:19,183 --> 00:07:22,223 And little did Bundy know but their father was 158 00:07:22,250 --> 00:07:25,350 captain of the Duval County homicide detectives. 159 00:07:25,383 --> 00:07:27,433 Man: And they had been trained well, so the young man 160 00:07:27,466 --> 00:07:30,276 took down the tag number, the make and the model. 161 00:07:30,316 --> 00:07:34,476 When we got that information, and we processed it we find out 162 00:07:35,016 --> 00:07:37,466 that was a Florida State University van, 163 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,020 and the van had been stolen. 164 00:07:40,050 --> 00:07:43,180 It was found abandoned in Tallahassee. 165 00:07:43,216 --> 00:07:46,376 They treated it like a crime scene from the very beginning. 166 00:07:46,416 --> 00:07:55,176 ♪♪ 167 00:07:55,216 --> 00:07:56,446 Man: When they vacuumed out the van, 168 00:07:56,483 --> 00:07:58,223 what they found was pig droppings, 169 00:07:58,250 --> 00:08:01,270 vegetation and dirt. 170 00:08:01,300 --> 00:08:05,300 Forensic botanists analyzed the debris found in the van. 171 00:08:05,333 --> 00:08:09,033 Man: They had been searching for her body with no success, 172 00:08:09,066 --> 00:08:11,196 and so they came to me and said, 173 00:08:11,233 --> 00:08:13,053 "Here's some plant material we found 174 00:08:13,083 --> 00:08:15,333 on the undercarriage of the vehicle. 175 00:08:15,366 --> 00:08:17,166 Can you tell us anything about that 176 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,430 to help us narrow the search area?" 177 00:08:21,466 --> 00:08:23,316 Man: The forensic botanists told them 178 00:08:23,350 --> 00:08:25,150 that the soil samples and the leaves 179 00:08:25,183 --> 00:08:28,453 and so forth come from along the banks of the Suwannee River. 180 00:08:28,483 --> 00:08:30,053 The pig droppings indicated 181 00:08:30,083 --> 00:08:32,073 there was probably some pig pens. 182 00:08:32,100 --> 00:08:36,070 And that narrowed their search area by over half, 183 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:40,280 and then the body was found fairly soon after that. 184 00:08:40,316 --> 00:08:42,026 Woman: After a widespread search, 185 00:08:42,066 --> 00:08:44,446 Kim's body was found under a hog shed. 186 00:08:44,483 --> 00:08:48,423 She was beaten and sexually molested. 187 00:08:48,450 --> 00:08:52,050 In order to prove Ted Bundy guilty of killing Kim Leach, 188 00:08:52,083 --> 00:08:54,033 we had to put the two of 'em together. 189 00:08:54,066 --> 00:08:56,416 We had to put Bundy in that white van. 190 00:08:56,450 --> 00:08:59,070 We had to put Kim Leach in that white van. 191 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:01,100 Florida Department of Criminal Law Enforcement 192 00:09:01,133 --> 00:09:03,383 crime lab experts are still busy sifting through 193 00:09:03,416 --> 00:09:05,276 and analyzing evidence. 194 00:09:05,316 --> 00:09:08,366 Man: When the FSU media center van was recovered, 195 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,180 in the ashtray there were cigarettes 196 00:09:11,216 --> 00:09:14,346 that seemed to be crushed out in, kind of, a unique twist, 197 00:09:14,383 --> 00:09:17,123 and in the field where Kim was ultimately found, 198 00:09:17,150 --> 00:09:20,130 somebody had dumped a vehicle ashtray. 199 00:09:20,166 --> 00:09:24,176 Man: The theory was, well, maybe after the body was dumped 200 00:09:24,216 --> 00:09:28,146 that he cleaned out the car and emptied the ashtray, 201 00:09:28,183 --> 00:09:30,483 and the way the cigarette butts were bent in the particular way 202 00:09:31,016 --> 00:09:32,246 that they had been brushed out, 203 00:09:32,283 --> 00:09:36,333 the same person smoked both of those piles of cigarette butts. 204 00:09:36,366 --> 00:09:38,166 Man: The crime lab made the case for us. 205 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,280 There was no doubt about it. 206 00:09:39,316 --> 00:09:42,246 The van had an unusual shag carpet 207 00:09:42,283 --> 00:09:44,353 in the back on the floorboard of the van. 208 00:09:44,383 --> 00:09:49,223 There were these unbelievable cross-transfers from the carpet 209 00:09:49,250 --> 00:09:52,000 to her clothing recovered at the crime scene. 210 00:09:52,033 --> 00:09:53,403 Man: And there was fiber from Bundy's clothing 211 00:09:53,433 --> 00:09:55,483 that was found at the dump site 212 00:09:56,016 --> 00:09:57,366 and found on the carpet in the van. 213 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,150 Man: What are the odds that could happen 214 00:09:59,183 --> 00:10:00,323 just as a matter of coincidence 215 00:10:00,350 --> 00:10:02,300 if he were not, in fact, the perpetrator? 216 00:10:02,333 --> 00:10:04,453 Woman: Kimberly Leach vanished February 9th. 217 00:10:04,483 --> 00:10:06,433 Her body was found on April 7th. 218 00:10:06,466 --> 00:10:09,096 Man: There seemed to be a pretty massive trauma 219 00:10:09,133 --> 00:10:12,123 to her throat area, and bleeding. 220 00:10:12,150 --> 00:10:14,330 Woman: Eyewitness news has learned the prosecution 221 00:10:14,366 --> 00:10:16,376 has evidence linking Bundy with the knife 222 00:10:16,416 --> 00:10:18,346 that could have killed Kimberly Leach. 223 00:10:18,383 --> 00:10:20,483 Two price stickers, one on top of the other, 224 00:10:21,016 --> 00:10:23,096 were found inside the white van. 225 00:10:23,133 --> 00:10:25,173 They were traced to this hunting supply store 226 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,270 on Jacksonville's west side. 227 00:10:27,300 --> 00:10:30,300 Man: The proprietor picked Bundy out as having purchased 228 00:10:30,333 --> 00:10:33,323 that knife the day before that he kidnapped Kim. 229 00:10:33,350 --> 00:10:35,470 There was just one, inescapable conclusion, 230 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,430 and that was that Bundy was responsible for Kim's death 231 00:10:38,466 --> 00:10:41,046 and abduction. 232 00:10:41,083 --> 00:10:43,083 Step out, Mr. Bundy. 233 00:10:43,116 --> 00:10:44,316 Ken read the indictment. 234 00:10:44,350 --> 00:10:46,200 You told them that you were gonna get me -- 235 00:10:46,233 --> 00:10:48,353 he said he was gonna get me. Okay, you got the indictment. 236 00:10:48,383 --> 00:10:49,353 It's all you're gonna get. 237 00:10:49,383 --> 00:10:51,003 We are not going to lose 238 00:10:51,033 --> 00:10:52,103 Theodore Robert Bundy, 239 00:10:52,133 --> 00:10:54,153 I can assure you. 240 00:11:00,183 --> 00:11:01,453 Your standard medium-security life in a prison 241 00:11:01,483 --> 00:11:04,433 is a fairly decent existence, relatively speaking. 242 00:11:04,466 --> 00:11:08,446 It's just creating your own environment in here, 243 00:11:08,483 --> 00:11:11,453 and not looking at the ceiling, not looking at the wall, 244 00:11:11,483 --> 00:11:13,303 and not thinking about the outside 245 00:11:13,333 --> 00:11:16,433 and not anguishing over the fact that you've lost your freedom. 246 00:11:19,083 --> 00:11:21,433 Man: We didn't get the murder indictment 247 00:11:21,466 --> 00:11:26,146 until we knew we had good evidence. 248 00:11:26,183 --> 00:11:29,483 The local newspaper sent their attorney to my office 249 00:11:30,016 --> 00:11:31,366 and said they wanted to be present 250 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,450 when he was informed of the charges. 251 00:11:33,483 --> 00:11:36,453 They wanted to see the expression on his face. 252 00:11:36,483 --> 00:11:39,183 Step out, Mr. Bundy. 253 00:11:39,216 --> 00:11:42,266 When he was taken out of his cell, he had no idea why. 254 00:11:42,300 --> 00:11:44,430 He came down, the elevator door opened, 255 00:11:44,466 --> 00:11:48,096 and he saw a camera there, but he had no idea. 256 00:11:48,133 --> 00:11:49,453 Step out, Mr. Bundy. 257 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,350 What do we have here, Ken? Let's see. 258 00:11:56,383 --> 00:11:58,223 Oh, it's an indictment. All right. 259 00:11:58,250 --> 00:11:59,330 Why don't you read it to me. 260 00:11:59,366 --> 00:12:01,276 "Oh, what have you got here, Ken? 261 00:12:01,316 --> 00:12:03,046 Oh, what have you got?" 262 00:12:03,083 --> 00:12:04,423 Let's read it. Let's go. 263 00:12:04,450 --> 00:12:08,370 I wish this arrogant loudmouth would have kept his mouth shut 264 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,380 so Ken could have done his job. 265 00:12:10,416 --> 00:12:14,216 Theodore Robert Bundy you are charged indictment, 266 00:12:14,250 --> 00:12:19,020 two counts burglary, two counts murder in the first degree -- 267 00:12:19,050 --> 00:12:21,420 He walked in like a banty rooster 268 00:12:21,450 --> 00:12:23,350 in his blue jail suit 269 00:12:23,383 --> 00:12:25,123 and he strutted around the room 270 00:12:25,150 --> 00:12:26,350 while the sheriff was reading this, 271 00:12:26,383 --> 00:12:29,473 and he's kind of walking a semicircle around the sheriff. 272 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,150 I'll plead not guilty right now. 273 00:12:32,183 --> 00:12:34,123 You're about up for election, aren't you? 274 00:12:34,150 --> 00:12:36,180 Mr. Bundy -- Just about got it, didn't you? 275 00:12:36,216 --> 00:12:37,266 Mr. Bundy -- You told me that -- 276 00:12:37,300 --> 00:12:39,030 You told them that you were going to get me. 277 00:12:39,066 --> 00:12:40,096 He said he was going to get me. 278 00:12:40,133 --> 00:12:41,373 Okay, you got the indictment. 279 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,230 That's all you're going to get. 280 00:12:43,266 --> 00:12:44,476 The jaw would set, 281 00:12:45,016 --> 00:12:47,326 the, you know, the vein in the neck would throb, 282 00:12:47,366 --> 00:12:50,396 and you could see the -- the kind of steeliness 283 00:12:50,433 --> 00:12:52,033 underneath him. 284 00:12:52,066 --> 00:12:54,066 I've been kept in isolation for six months, 285 00:12:54,100 --> 00:12:55,450 I've been kept away from the press, 286 00:12:55,483 --> 00:12:57,033 I've been buried by you, 287 00:12:57,066 --> 00:12:58,416 you've been talking for six months, 288 00:12:58,450 --> 00:13:00,430 I think it's my turn now. 289 00:13:00,466 --> 00:13:03,366 I'll be heard. 290 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,380 That's one of the first times I saw 291 00:13:05,416 --> 00:13:06,476 Ted Bundy really mad. 292 00:13:07,016 --> 00:13:08,026 Man: Police charged Bundy 293 00:13:08,066 --> 00:13:09,246 not only with the murder of the two coeds, 294 00:13:09,283 --> 00:13:12,203 but with the killing of 12-year-old Kimberly Leach. 295 00:13:14,450 --> 00:13:17,170 Both cases were capital cases, 296 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,120 and a conviction could mean the death penalty. 297 00:13:20,150 --> 00:13:21,300 So, before the trials began, 298 00:13:21,333 --> 00:13:25,033 the prosecutors came to Ted Bundy and made him an offer: 299 00:13:25,066 --> 00:13:27,996 if you plead guilty to all the charges, 300 00:13:28,033 --> 00:13:30,253 we will take the death penalty off the table. 301 00:13:30,283 --> 00:13:34,133 Man: Well, the plea bargain came about from a feeling that, 302 00:13:34,166 --> 00:13:37,166 you know, you're probably not going to win both trials. 303 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,170 They understood that their cases were not all that strong. 304 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,320 This is probably a better decision than risking a trial. 305 00:13:43,350 --> 00:13:46,080 He would be sentenced to life in prison 306 00:13:46,116 --> 00:13:50,066 with a minimum-mandatory service of 75 years without parole. 307 00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:53,030 Realize that this was a circumstantial evidence case. 308 00:13:53,066 --> 00:13:55,046 We could lose this case. 309 00:13:55,083 --> 00:13:57,283 What I was mainly concerned about here 310 00:13:57,316 --> 00:14:00,326 was getting Mr. Bundy off the streets forever. 311 00:14:00,366 --> 00:14:04,066 Larry called me and he asked me what I thought. 312 00:14:04,100 --> 00:14:07,280 At that point, I think more than anything you just want them 313 00:14:07,316 --> 00:14:10,096 never to be able to hurt anyone ever again. 314 00:14:10,133 --> 00:14:12,173 A long plea form was developed 315 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,130 with eight or ten signature lines on it, 316 00:14:15,166 --> 00:14:16,396 including Mr. Bundy's, 317 00:14:16,433 --> 00:14:18,383 and after it was signed 318 00:14:18,416 --> 00:14:20,316 it was left with him at the jail. 319 00:14:20,350 --> 00:14:23,320 Prosecution had said, "Now, listen, we want Mr. Bundy 320 00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:25,330 to simply confess to the murders. 321 00:14:25,366 --> 00:14:29,066 If he does anything other than that, the deal is off." 322 00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:31,200 Man: When he came to court the next morning, 323 00:14:31,233 --> 00:14:34,023 he had torn the section of the plea form 324 00:14:34,050 --> 00:14:36,130 with his name on it off. 325 00:14:36,166 --> 00:14:37,296 Man: Mr. Bundy stood up 326 00:14:37,333 --> 00:14:41,023 and started criticizing everybody he could think of. 327 00:14:41,050 --> 00:14:42,480 Man: He attacked his lawyers and said, 328 00:14:43,016 --> 00:14:45,376 "Well, your honor, before I enter this plea, 329 00:14:45,416 --> 00:14:47,176 I want to dismiss my lawyers 330 00:14:47,216 --> 00:14:49,246 because they don't believe in my innocence." 331 00:14:49,283 --> 00:14:52,023 Man: I looked at the prosecutor from Lake City, 332 00:14:52,050 --> 00:14:54,000 and he looked at me, and we stood up and said, 333 00:14:54,033 --> 00:14:55,183 "That's it, it's over." 334 00:14:55,216 --> 00:14:56,416 We're wasting our time to go through the charade 335 00:14:56,450 --> 00:14:59,070 of a plea now. 336 00:14:59,100 --> 00:15:01,080 Woman: With the plea bargain now dead, 337 00:15:01,116 --> 00:15:02,316 both cases would go to trial. 338 00:15:02,350 --> 00:15:04,000 Man: You going to represent yourself, 339 00:15:04,033 --> 00:15:05,303 or you going to get another attorney? 340 00:15:05,333 --> 00:15:09,103 I'm staying with the man I know best right now, and that's me. 341 00:15:09,133 --> 00:15:12,153 I just remember fixating on Bundy 342 00:15:12,183 --> 00:15:13,483 and looking him in the eyes. 343 00:15:14,016 --> 00:15:16,066 I felt, like, sick to my stomach. 344 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,380 I know that there's a lot of police ego on the line. 345 00:15:25,416 --> 00:15:27,446 I think it's a terribly dangerous mentality 346 00:15:27,483 --> 00:15:31,333 to try to pin something on somebody who they might -- 347 00:15:31,366 --> 00:15:34,096 They believe there's a possibility 348 00:15:34,133 --> 00:15:36,453 that they couldn't have done it. 349 00:15:36,483 --> 00:15:38,133 And as long as they believe that, 350 00:15:38,166 --> 00:15:41,176 they're not going to find the right man. 351 00:15:41,216 --> 00:15:45,266 Man: Ted, he sent a couple letters to me from prison. 352 00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:48,430 "Why aren't the police looking in this direction for that crime 353 00:15:48,466 --> 00:15:51,396 because anybody can see that that's how it happened." 354 00:15:51,433 --> 00:15:53,473 I think there was still this apprehension of 355 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,000 is he the right person, or could there be more people? 356 00:15:57,033 --> 00:15:59,133 I still wasn't sure it was him. 357 00:15:59,166 --> 00:16:00,996 Let's get all the facts, 358 00:16:01,033 --> 00:16:03,333 because I don't want to go through this again 359 00:16:03,366 --> 00:16:05,416 if it's the wrong person. 360 00:16:05,450 --> 00:16:07,000 Man: Police charged Bundy 361 00:16:07,033 --> 00:16:08,323 not only with the murder of the two coeds, 362 00:16:08,350 --> 00:16:10,480 but with the killing of 12-year-old Kimberly Leach, 363 00:16:11,016 --> 00:16:12,426 who vanished from school in Lake City, Florida, 364 00:16:12,466 --> 00:16:15,216 on February 9th. 365 00:16:15,250 --> 00:16:17,470 Man: The Tallahassee case was deemed to be weaker 366 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,450 from a prosecution standpoint than the Lake City case. 367 00:16:21,483 --> 00:16:23,203 Well, there's always a measure of doubt, 368 00:16:23,233 --> 00:16:26,003 because the evidence was questionable. 369 00:16:26,033 --> 00:16:29,073 Man: Not only did we not have Mr. Bundy's fingerprints 370 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:30,180 in the crime scenes, 371 00:16:30,216 --> 00:16:32,446 but we had unidentified fingerprints, 372 00:16:32,483 --> 00:16:36,103 even to this day, in those crime scenes. 373 00:16:38,216 --> 00:16:40,016 Man: There were two bite marks which, of course, 374 00:16:40,050 --> 00:16:43,270 was the principal evidence in this case. 375 00:16:43,300 --> 00:16:46,370 But there really wasn't, except for the bite marks, 376 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,120 the kind of definitive physical evidence 377 00:16:49,150 --> 00:16:51,030 that we hoped we had had. 378 00:16:51,066 --> 00:16:54,226 I always felt confident that we had the right person charged. 379 00:16:54,266 --> 00:16:58,396 What I wasn't confident of is what the jury's reaction 380 00:16:58,433 --> 00:17:02,103 to a circumstantial-evidence case like this would be. 381 00:17:04,100 --> 00:17:06,430 Police in both jurisdictions were very busy 382 00:17:06,466 --> 00:17:09,346 gathering the evidence that they needed to build these cases 383 00:17:09,383 --> 00:17:11,323 and also making sure that Ted Bundy, 384 00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:15,400 a two-time prison escapee, remained behind bars. 385 00:17:15,433 --> 00:17:17,383 Man: Once he jumped out of a courthouse window, 386 00:17:17,416 --> 00:17:19,026 the other time he crawled through 387 00:17:19,066 --> 00:17:21,026 a foot-wide light fixture. 388 00:17:21,066 --> 00:17:23,046 The real measure of a man in prison, 389 00:17:23,083 --> 00:17:24,403 as far as escape goes, 390 00:17:24,433 --> 00:17:27,073 is the difference between hitting that fence 391 00:17:27,100 --> 00:17:28,420 and not hitting that fence, 392 00:17:28,450 --> 00:17:31,330 between getting shot at and not getting shot at, 393 00:17:31,366 --> 00:17:33,066 and having the guts to do it 394 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:34,370 and not having the guts to do it. 395 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,020 Man: Bundy told prison officials here, "Don't take it personally, 396 00:17:38,050 --> 00:17:41,180 but if I can escape from this prison, I will." 397 00:17:41,216 --> 00:17:44,146 Man: The story was, was that he would run in place, 398 00:17:44,183 --> 00:17:46,383 preparing for that moment when somebody slipped 399 00:17:46,416 --> 00:17:48,146 and he could get away. 400 00:17:48,183 --> 00:17:52,253 He takes opportunities wherever they exist to escape, 401 00:17:52,283 --> 00:17:55,023 so you have to eliminate the opportunities. 402 00:17:55,050 --> 00:17:57,080 Man: Will he be in a cell with anyone else here? 403 00:17:57,116 --> 00:18:00,116 No. He'll be by himself in a self-contained cell, 404 00:18:00,150 --> 00:18:03,380 completely surrounded with armored plate. 405 00:18:03,416 --> 00:18:06,076 Man: He wanted me to take him 406 00:18:06,116 --> 00:18:09,426 to the Florida State University law library 407 00:18:09,466 --> 00:18:13,326 so that he could work in the law library. 408 00:18:13,366 --> 00:18:15,476 My answer to that was, "Yeah, right." 409 00:18:18,233 --> 00:18:21,103 Woman: But Bundy was not going down without a fight. 410 00:18:21,133 --> 00:18:22,383 He took the sheriff to court, 411 00:18:22,416 --> 00:18:26,026 claiming that his civil rights were being violated. 412 00:18:26,066 --> 00:18:27,416 Katsaris: He sued me. 413 00:18:27,450 --> 00:18:32,070 There's a lawsuit, Ted Bundy versus sheriff Ken Katsaris. 414 00:18:38,166 --> 00:18:40,276 I had to offer better lighting. 415 00:18:40,316 --> 00:18:43,126 Interestingly enough, I gave him better lighting 416 00:18:43,166 --> 00:18:44,326 and he took me back to court 417 00:18:44,366 --> 00:18:46,276 and said the light was too bright. 418 00:18:46,316 --> 00:18:49,276 He wanted access to outdoor activity. 419 00:18:49,316 --> 00:18:51,296 I was ordered to give him 420 00:18:51,333 --> 00:18:54,333 one hour, three times a week, outside. 421 00:18:54,366 --> 00:18:57,016 I had my tactical unit officer 422 00:18:57,050 --> 00:19:00,280 stationed at the corners of the building. 423 00:19:00,316 --> 00:19:05,326 They had a scoped high-powered rifle and a canine. 424 00:19:05,366 --> 00:19:07,326 We were not going to lose Theodore Robert Bundy, 425 00:19:07,366 --> 00:19:10,346 I can assure you. 426 00:19:10,383 --> 00:19:12,223 Man: It has been nearly a year since law student 427 00:19:12,250 --> 00:19:14,000 and former political campaign worker 428 00:19:14,033 --> 00:19:16,033 Ted Bundy was accused of the brutal slayings 429 00:19:16,066 --> 00:19:18,026 of two Florida State coeds. 430 00:19:18,066 --> 00:19:21,226 Ted Bundy, once again, decided to act in his own defense. 431 00:19:21,266 --> 00:19:22,296 Man: You going to represent yourself, 432 00:19:22,333 --> 00:19:24,103 or you going to get another attorney? 433 00:19:24,133 --> 00:19:29,183 I'm staying with the man I know best right now, and that's me. 434 00:19:29,216 --> 00:19:31,466 Florida is one of seven states in the United States 435 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,150 that allows pretrial depositions, 436 00:19:34,183 --> 00:19:36,473 sworn testimony before the trial starts. 437 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,150 Man: While Mr. Bundy was representing himself, 438 00:19:39,183 --> 00:19:42,153 he wanted to take depositions from the witnesses, 439 00:19:42,183 --> 00:19:45,023 and I had the witnesses come to the jail 440 00:19:45,050 --> 00:19:49,120 and let Mr. Bundy take their depositions. 441 00:19:49,150 --> 00:19:50,320 Woman: It was bizarre. 442 00:19:50,350 --> 00:19:51,430 We went into this classroom, 443 00:19:51,466 --> 00:19:54,416 and I had lawyers on both sides of me 444 00:19:54,450 --> 00:19:58,170 and there's guards, and he comes in and sits down, 445 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,020 and he starts asking me questions. 446 00:20:01,050 --> 00:20:04,130 Woman: Bundy sat on one end and I sat at the other end. 447 00:20:04,166 --> 00:20:07,176 I just remember fixating on Bundy 448 00:20:07,216 --> 00:20:09,416 and looking him in the eyes. 449 00:20:09,450 --> 00:20:11,380 I felt, like, sick to my stomach. 450 00:20:11,416 --> 00:20:14,116 Woman: I'm sure if he had moved a muscle, 451 00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:17,270 they would have been on him like syrup on French toast. 452 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:19,150 Woman: Some of the questions that he was asking -- 453 00:20:19,183 --> 00:20:22,103 he did have a familiarity with the house 454 00:20:22,133 --> 00:20:24,353 that someone else would not have had. 455 00:20:24,383 --> 00:20:26,173 There were no maps of the house, 456 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,350 there were no diagrams that existed anywhere, 457 00:20:28,383 --> 00:20:31,103 and men were not allowed on the second floor, 458 00:20:31,133 --> 00:20:34,003 so, his familiarity, and the way he asked questions, 459 00:20:34,033 --> 00:20:36,283 I was convinced he had been in the house. 460 00:20:36,316 --> 00:20:39,416 I was totally convinced. 461 00:20:39,450 --> 00:20:41,350 I know what's there and I know what isn't there. 462 00:20:41,383 --> 00:20:45,233 I've seen the files, and I've heard the reports, 463 00:20:45,266 --> 00:20:48,466 and, Lord knows, I'm the first and foremost person 464 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,280 that has the personal intimate knowledge 465 00:20:51,316 --> 00:20:53,096 that it couldn't be me, that it's not me, 466 00:20:53,133 --> 00:20:54,353 that I'm innocent. 467 00:20:54,383 --> 00:20:56,423 Let's just wait, and let's just let it come out in court, 468 00:20:56,450 --> 00:20:59,050 and I'll lay my money on me. 469 00:21:05,316 --> 00:21:07,026 Good afternoon, Miss Gibson, my name's Ted Bundy, 470 00:21:07,066 --> 00:21:09,016 and I'm the defendant in the case, and I'm just here 471 00:21:09,050 --> 00:21:10,330 to introduce myself. 472 00:21:10,366 --> 00:21:15,176 Woman: I can remember feeling very angry, sad. 473 00:21:15,216 --> 00:21:16,396 He is the absolute opposite 474 00:21:16,433 --> 00:21:19,053 of what you would picture to be a monster. 475 00:21:19,083 --> 00:21:23,223 In this case, everything is unbelievable. 476 00:21:23,250 --> 00:21:26,070 Welcome back to "How it Really Happened." 477 00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:27,300 I'm Hill Harper. 478 00:21:27,333 --> 00:21:31,133 In the summer of 1979, after being suspected 479 00:21:31,166 --> 00:21:33,366 in multiple murders across the United States, 480 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,470 Ted Bundy stands trial for the brutal attacks 481 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,430 at Florida State University. 482 00:21:37,466 --> 00:21:41,996 The trial was televised and the country was riveted. 483 00:21:42,033 --> 00:21:45,023 Ted Bundy acted as his own attorney, 484 00:21:45,050 --> 00:21:48,050 and no one was prepared for the circus that followed. 485 00:21:50,233 --> 00:21:52,273 Man: Security guards checking for concealed weapons 486 00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:54,250 outside the courtroom tell the story that this is 487 00:21:54,283 --> 00:21:57,103 no ordinary murder trial; the case of Ted Bundy, 488 00:21:57,133 --> 00:21:59,403 a man suspected of murdering two Florida State coeds 489 00:21:59,433 --> 00:22:01,123 and beating three others. 490 00:22:01,150 --> 00:22:03,250 Woman: Complete and utter shock, 491 00:22:03,283 --> 00:22:05,123 we still don't believe it. 492 00:22:05,150 --> 00:22:07,150 It just can't be. 493 00:22:07,183 --> 00:22:09,483 Our son is the best son in the world. 494 00:22:10,016 --> 00:22:11,176 Man: The women who were murdered 495 00:22:11,216 --> 00:22:12,446 were 21-year-old Margaret Bowman 496 00:22:12,483 --> 00:22:14,103 and 20-year-old Lisa Levy. 497 00:22:14,133 --> 00:22:20,033 My family has lived with horror, sorrow and pain. 498 00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:25,450 It's an emotional pain so deep it becomes physical. 499 00:22:25,483 --> 00:22:27,273 Woman: That's Margaret. 500 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:29,130 That's a beautiful picture. 501 00:22:29,166 --> 00:22:30,996 Yeah, she was a pretty girl. 502 00:22:31,033 --> 00:22:32,373 I think of Lisa and Margaret a lot. 503 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,430 Margaret was, I believe, an art history major, 504 00:22:34,466 --> 00:22:38,216 and she wanted to be a curator at a museum. 505 00:22:38,250 --> 00:22:41,120 Lisa was that girl next door, fun, 506 00:22:41,150 --> 00:22:42,480 always had a smile on her face. 507 00:22:43,016 --> 00:22:45,216 It upset me that he took that away. 508 00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:49,380 ♪♪ 509 00:22:49,416 --> 00:22:52,166 Hello, and welcome to the State of Florida 510 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,250 versus Theodore Robert Bundy. 511 00:22:54,283 --> 00:22:57,073 Please be seated. Court will come to order. 512 00:22:57,100 --> 00:23:00,370 The 500-mile change of venue from Tallahassee to Miami 513 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,370 did nothing to lesson all of the hoopla 514 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,050 surrounding the trial. 515 00:23:04,083 --> 00:23:06,173 It was going to be televised live, 516 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,270 gavel to gavel, one of the first of its kind. 517 00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:12,320 Man: It was crazy. The TV trucks were all over. 518 00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:15,300 I'd never been in a circus like that in my life. 519 00:23:15,333 --> 00:23:17,373 The Bundy trial has drawn a lot of attention 520 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,100 partly because of who he is, 521 00:23:19,133 --> 00:23:21,403 a mysterious, former law student with a charming air in court -- 522 00:23:21,433 --> 00:23:24,453 It was the weird celebrity that he fostered in a way. 523 00:23:24,483 --> 00:23:28,083 He loved it. He was basking in the attention. 524 00:23:28,116 --> 00:23:30,166 I screened the mail at the jail. 525 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,200 There were a lot of love letters and proposals of marriages 526 00:23:33,233 --> 00:23:35,253 to Ted Bundy, which was bizarre. 527 00:23:38,183 --> 00:23:39,273 As strange as it may sound, 528 00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:41,030 there were groupies that followed him 529 00:23:41,066 --> 00:23:42,266 from courthouse to courthouse. 530 00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:44,030 His adoring fans. 531 00:23:44,066 --> 00:23:46,076 He just doesn't look like the type to kill somebody. 532 00:23:46,116 --> 00:23:47,226 I noticed that most of the people 533 00:23:47,266 --> 00:23:48,426 that were in there were women. 534 00:23:48,466 --> 00:23:51,176 Man: What is unusual to see is that many of the onlookers 535 00:23:51,216 --> 00:23:53,166 are women, young women, contemporaries 536 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,470 of the Florida State sorority sisters 537 00:23:55,016 --> 00:23:58,196 who were assaulted in their beds a year and a half ago. 538 00:23:58,233 --> 00:24:00,253 So we started interviewing these young women, 539 00:24:00,283 --> 00:24:02,453 and, you know, you could see by their eyes 540 00:24:02,483 --> 00:24:06,383 they were just fascinated by the lurid details, 541 00:24:06,416 --> 00:24:09,176 the savagery of the crimes. 542 00:24:09,216 --> 00:24:10,296 Woman: Every time he turns around, 543 00:24:10,333 --> 00:24:11,473 I kind of get that feeling, 544 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,250 oh, no, you know, he's going to get me next. 545 00:24:14,283 --> 00:24:16,123 But yet you're fascinated by him? 546 00:24:16,150 --> 00:24:18,030 Very, very. 547 00:24:18,066 --> 00:24:19,476 [ Bundy chuckling ] 548 00:24:20,016 --> 00:24:22,166 Man: There was one woman, and I don't think she missed a day. 549 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,230 She sat right there on the front row, 550 00:24:24,266 --> 00:24:27,176 and she would alternately make moon eyes at Bundy 551 00:24:27,216 --> 00:24:30,026 and stare daggers at Carole Boone. 552 00:24:30,066 --> 00:24:32,376 Carole Boone believes Bundy is completely innocent. 553 00:24:32,416 --> 00:24:34,466 Some have called her his girlfriend. 554 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,370 She prefers to be known as just a close, personal friend. 555 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:43,380 Let me put it this way, I don't think that Ted belongs in jail. 556 00:24:43,416 --> 00:24:46,196 Man: Carole Boone says she first met Ted Bundy five years ago 557 00:24:46,233 --> 00:24:47,383 when they worked in the same office 558 00:24:47,416 --> 00:24:49,116 in Seattle, Washington. 559 00:24:49,150 --> 00:24:50,430 Since that time she has followed him, 560 00:24:50,466 --> 00:24:53,296 helping him prepare his legal cases from Utah 561 00:24:53,333 --> 00:24:55,083 where he was convicted of kidnapping 562 00:24:55,116 --> 00:24:56,416 a young woman, to Colorado, 563 00:24:56,450 --> 00:24:59,070 where he's suspected of murdering another, 564 00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:01,000 and, finally, now to Florida. 565 00:25:01,033 --> 00:25:02,353 Man: She had an explanation, or an answer, 566 00:25:02,383 --> 00:25:04,383 for every circumstance in every case; 567 00:25:04,416 --> 00:25:06,016 what was wrong about it, 568 00:25:06,050 --> 00:25:09,180 identifications had been coerced or were inaccurate, 569 00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:11,226 the physical evidence didn't hold up. 570 00:25:11,266 --> 00:25:17,046 I don't think they had reason to charge Ted Bundy with murder. 571 00:25:17,083 --> 00:25:18,323 Man: For the first time, jurors in 572 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:19,470 the Theodore Bundy murder trial 573 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,050 were brought in to hear -- 574 00:25:21,083 --> 00:25:22,103 From the two crime scenes 575 00:25:22,133 --> 00:25:23,473 where two Florida State sorority sisters 576 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,150 were strangled to death and three others brutally beaten 577 00:25:26,183 --> 00:25:29,373 with a club the morning of January 15th, 1978. 578 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,370 He had picked up a piece of firewood, 579 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,100 and he attacked Margaret. 580 00:25:36,133 --> 00:25:38,023 He attacked Lisa Levy. 581 00:25:38,050 --> 00:25:41,270 He used pantyhose, strangled her, 582 00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:43,320 bit her, did other things, 583 00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:45,450 and then came into our room. 584 00:25:45,483 --> 00:25:48,053 Man: When police officer Oscar Brannon took the stand, 585 00:25:48,083 --> 00:25:50,083 he described the first victim who was discovered, 586 00:25:50,116 --> 00:25:51,426 Karen Chandler. 587 00:26:05,383 --> 00:26:07,383 Officer Brannon said it was shortly afterwards 588 00:26:07,416 --> 00:26:10,116 that the bodies of the two murdered coeds were found. 589 00:26:10,150 --> 00:26:11,370 One of the young women had a stocking 590 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,170 wrapped tightly around her throat. 591 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,230 Man: He strangled her with a pair of pantyhose 592 00:26:17,266 --> 00:26:18,366 that he had brought with him. 593 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,180 Now, we know that because the brand of pantyhose 594 00:26:21,216 --> 00:26:23,216 was not one either used by Margaret 595 00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:26,170 or any of the young women in the Chi Omega sorority house. 596 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,050 Man: Some of the first witnesses who are expected 597 00:26:28,083 --> 00:26:30,253 to testify this week are Chi Omega coeds 598 00:26:30,283 --> 00:26:32,483 who were there when the killings occurred. 599 00:26:33,016 --> 00:26:35,276 You know, I just prayed mightily ahead of time 600 00:26:35,316 --> 00:26:39,016 that I would be calm and that I'd be -- not react. 601 00:26:39,050 --> 00:26:40,330 Knowing, of course, that he would probably 602 00:26:40,366 --> 00:26:45,476 take some kind of pleasure in scaring people or scaring us. 603 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:51,420 The only time I was really nervous was walking in. 604 00:26:51,450 --> 00:26:54,100 Man: When the two who survived were brought in to testify, 605 00:26:54,133 --> 00:26:57,183 first Karen Chandler and then Kathy Kleiner, 606 00:26:57,216 --> 00:26:58,476 both said they had no recollection 607 00:26:59,016 --> 00:27:00,176 of what had happened to them. 608 00:27:00,216 --> 00:27:02,076 Woman: At that point, Bundy was his -- 609 00:27:02,116 --> 00:27:04,076 serving as his own lawyer, 610 00:27:04,116 --> 00:27:07,376 and then he got up and asked me questions. 611 00:27:07,416 --> 00:27:09,366 "Did you see my face?" 612 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,100 You know, "How did you know it was me?" 613 00:27:12,133 --> 00:27:13,473 Man: Cheryl Ann Thomas told the court, 614 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,450 she only remembers coming home after a night of disco dancing, 615 00:27:16,483 --> 00:27:19,283 going to bed, and then waking up in the hospital. 616 00:27:19,316 --> 00:27:21,416 I had five skull fractures 617 00:27:21,450 --> 00:27:24,250 and multiple contusions in my head, 618 00:27:24,283 --> 00:27:28,233 and I had a broken jaw and my left shoulder 619 00:27:28,266 --> 00:27:29,426 was pulled out of joint. 620 00:27:29,466 --> 00:27:33,426 It was odd because he was right across from me, 621 00:27:33,466 --> 00:27:38,396 and he looked at me as if he didn't know me at all. 622 00:27:38,433 --> 00:27:40,223 It's unbelievable. 623 00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:42,180 Man: Judge Cowart has said he expects the trial 624 00:27:42,216 --> 00:27:45,016 to last from 30 to 45 days. 625 00:27:45,050 --> 00:27:47,300 Man: I don't think I really had made up my mind 626 00:27:47,333 --> 00:27:49,353 until about halfway through the trial 627 00:27:49,383 --> 00:27:52,453 when, during the courtroom recess, 628 00:27:52,483 --> 00:27:55,233 I came face-to-face with Bundy himself, 629 00:27:55,266 --> 00:27:58,996 and that encounter was unbelievable. 630 00:27:59,033 --> 00:28:02,073 His eyes turned like laser beams. 631 00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:05,030 It was sheer hostility -- 632 00:28:05,066 --> 00:28:07,026 anger, hostility, 633 00:28:07,066 --> 00:28:09,016 viciousness that I saw in that face. 634 00:28:09,050 --> 00:28:11,150 He took his mask off at that moment, 635 00:28:11,183 --> 00:28:15,183 and I saw something that you never saw in the courtroom. 636 00:28:15,216 --> 00:28:18,196 That told me he was a killer. 637 00:28:20,333 --> 00:28:22,073 Since he was co-counsel, 638 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,150 he could decide what direction the defense would go. 639 00:28:25,183 --> 00:28:27,433 I mean, I could get up here 640 00:28:27,466 --> 00:28:32,266 and examine every single witness for the defense. 641 00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:34,400 No question in my mind that I can do it. 642 00:28:34,433 --> 00:28:37,423 I felt like that was just about the worst thing 643 00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:40,120 that anybody could have ever done. 644 00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:47,420 You can't help but become an advocate 645 00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:50,420 for yourself when you're so involved in the case. 646 00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:52,250 I'm being a good defense attorney, 647 00:28:52,283 --> 00:28:54,083 and I'm not, you know, I'm not pretending I'm an attorney, 648 00:28:54,116 --> 00:28:55,376 but I felt it was right. 649 00:28:55,416 --> 00:28:58,046 I wanted to get involved. 650 00:28:58,083 --> 00:29:00,103 Man: The prosecuting attorneys have told the jurors 651 00:29:00,133 --> 00:29:01,203 that they believe one man, 652 00:29:01,233 --> 00:29:04,003 on the morning of January 15th, 1978, 653 00:29:04,033 --> 00:29:06,173 walked into the Florida State Chi Omega house, 654 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,100 strangled two young coeds, brutally beat two others 655 00:29:09,133 --> 00:29:11,033 and then struck again four blocks away, 656 00:29:11,066 --> 00:29:13,196 nearly killing a fifth young woman. 657 00:29:13,233 --> 00:29:15,383 That man, the prosecutors say, is the defendant, 658 00:29:15,416 --> 00:29:17,146 Theodore Bundy. 659 00:29:17,183 --> 00:29:18,333 Due to the television coverage, 660 00:29:18,366 --> 00:29:22,066 key players in this case were becoming household names. 661 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:25,200 One of them was Nita Neary, a prosecution witness, 662 00:29:25,233 --> 00:29:27,033 who said that she saw Ted Bundy 663 00:29:27,066 --> 00:29:30,426 leaving that sorority house just minutes after the attacks. 664 00:29:30,466 --> 00:29:33,226 Man: Could you describe the man that you saw at the door? 665 00:29:33,266 --> 00:29:36,316 Had a very prominent nose, a straight bridge. 666 00:29:36,350 --> 00:29:39,020 It almost came to a point. 667 00:29:39,050 --> 00:29:41,150 It was slightly dark complected. 668 00:29:41,183 --> 00:29:43,473 And is that man in the courtroom today? 669 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,080 Yes, he is. 670 00:29:45,116 --> 00:29:47,446 Would you point him out for us, please? 671 00:29:49,233 --> 00:29:52,023 Man: That morning that the murders occurred, 672 00:29:52,050 --> 00:29:54,130 she sat down with an artist 673 00:29:54,166 --> 00:29:56,246 and described the person that she saw, 674 00:29:56,283 --> 00:29:58,483 and this was at a time before anybody in Tallahassee 675 00:29:59,016 --> 00:30:00,376 had ever heard of Mr. Bundy, 676 00:30:00,416 --> 00:30:03,996 so it was not a sketch that had been influenced 677 00:30:04,033 --> 00:30:06,133 in any way by pretrial publicity 678 00:30:06,166 --> 00:30:08,426 or media coverage or anything else like that. 679 00:30:08,466 --> 00:30:10,276 Man: The defense, however, says the eyewitness, 680 00:30:10,316 --> 00:30:12,396 Nita Neary, caught only a fleeting glimpse of the man, 681 00:30:12,433 --> 00:30:15,073 and they argue that her story is unreliable. 682 00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:17,230 She had very little time to see the person, 683 00:30:17,266 --> 00:30:19,066 different than what she described, 684 00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:21,480 because after his arrest, he was on video. 685 00:30:22,016 --> 00:30:23,076 He was on TV. 686 00:30:23,116 --> 00:30:25,366 He was in the newspapers all the time. 687 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,170 He became a very well-known face, 688 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,020 so for her to sit in a trial and say, 689 00:30:31,050 --> 00:30:34,020 "Yeah, that's the guy," not surprising. 690 00:30:34,050 --> 00:30:36,370 Step up in the witness box and raise your right hand. 691 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,480 Woman: The defense would also attack the testimony of 692 00:30:39,016 --> 00:30:41,446 Dr. Richard Souviron, the forensic dentist 693 00:30:41,483 --> 00:30:45,053 who says that the bite marks left on victim Lisa Levy 694 00:30:45,083 --> 00:30:47,303 were definitely matched by Ted Bundy. 695 00:30:47,333 --> 00:30:50,023 Man: I had a board and I pointed out 696 00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:51,400 all the areas of comparison. 697 00:30:51,433 --> 00:30:53,383 His teeth and this and this and this, 698 00:30:53,416 --> 00:30:57,476 and then the jury took the one-to-one photographs 699 00:30:58,016 --> 00:30:59,216 and the models. 700 00:30:59,250 --> 00:31:02,030 Man: We as reporters, you know, were spellbound just sitting 701 00:31:02,066 --> 00:31:06,196 there watching these graphics of flesh 702 00:31:06,233 --> 00:31:10,353 that had been macerated, and Bundy's teeth. 703 00:31:10,383 --> 00:31:12,073 Man: The prosecution asked Souviron 704 00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:13,480 if he could scientifically match up 705 00:31:14,016 --> 00:31:15,396 the teeth marks with Bundy's teeth. 706 00:31:15,433 --> 00:31:17,403 Souviron: There's no question 707 00:31:17,433 --> 00:31:20,153 that the teeth fit the bite mark. 708 00:31:20,183 --> 00:31:21,423 They made the mark. 709 00:31:21,450 --> 00:31:24,080 Man: Prosecuting attorneys claim that Bundy's teeth 710 00:31:24,116 --> 00:31:25,376 perfectly match those bite marks; 711 00:31:25,416 --> 00:31:27,296 the defense told the jurors otherwise. 712 00:31:27,333 --> 00:31:29,323 There's a lot of mouths in the world. 713 00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:31,450 A lot of people have similar type bites. 714 00:31:31,483 --> 00:31:34,153 And there's obviously something wrong with the observations 715 00:31:34,183 --> 00:31:37,203 made by the state's odontologist. 716 00:31:37,233 --> 00:31:38,453 Our contention all along, your honor, 717 00:31:38,483 --> 00:31:40,303 has been that they have taken my teeth 718 00:31:40,333 --> 00:31:43,123 and twisted them every which way but loose to fit. 719 00:31:43,150 --> 00:31:44,430 Woman: Ted Bundy was not shy 720 00:31:44,466 --> 00:31:47,026 about sharing his opinions in court, 721 00:31:47,066 --> 00:31:49,076 especially when he got to play the role 722 00:31:49,116 --> 00:31:50,346 of his own defense attorney. 723 00:31:50,383 --> 00:31:52,083 Man: The defendant Theodore Bundy, 724 00:31:52,116 --> 00:31:54,296 dressed in a tweed coat and a Seattle Mariners t-shirt, 725 00:31:54,333 --> 00:31:58,003 became the attorney today acting directly in his own defense. 726 00:31:58,033 --> 00:32:01,133 Man: Bundy's team probably would have preferred to have him 727 00:32:01,166 --> 00:32:02,216 tried in absentia, 728 00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:03,420 with Bundy not even there, 729 00:32:03,450 --> 00:32:05,450 because Bundy was a headache to them. 730 00:32:05,483 --> 00:32:09,323 Certainly, I could -- I mean, I could get up here 731 00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:14,120 and -- and examine every single witness for the defense. 732 00:32:14,150 --> 00:32:16,220 There's no question in my mind that I can do it. 733 00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:18,320 Since he was co-counsel, he could decide 734 00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:20,400 what direction the defense would go. 735 00:32:20,433 --> 00:32:24,103 We were unable to make decisions independent of him. 736 00:32:24,133 --> 00:32:27,233 He, through the force of his personality, 737 00:32:27,266 --> 00:32:29,396 kind of controlled how things went. 738 00:32:29,433 --> 00:32:31,183 Man: Bundy has said he feels impelled 739 00:32:31,216 --> 00:32:33,996 to take a leading role in his own defense. 740 00:32:34,033 --> 00:32:36,033 It is not known what his own attorneys think of this, 741 00:32:36,066 --> 00:32:37,366 but there is no evidence as yet 742 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,230 they are trying to dissuade him from taking the floor. 743 00:32:40,266 --> 00:32:42,116 Woman: Most of Ted Bundy's time in the courtroom 744 00:32:42,150 --> 00:32:44,420 was spent conferring with his co-counsel, 745 00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:46,350 but he decided to take the lead 746 00:32:46,383 --> 00:32:49,373 when the time came to cross-examine the police officer 747 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,120 about what exactly he saw 748 00:32:51,150 --> 00:32:53,480 when he responded to the Chi Omega murder scene, 749 00:32:54,016 --> 00:32:57,426 and that move may have cost the defense this case. 750 00:32:57,466 --> 00:33:01,266 Man: I called, to the stand, one of the first officers 751 00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:04,200 on the scene of the Chi Omega house that morning. 752 00:33:04,233 --> 00:33:08,233 You know, just kind of a basic overview of what he found 753 00:33:08,266 --> 00:33:09,466 whenever he first got there. 754 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,330 Man: And I was to question that officer. 755 00:33:12,366 --> 00:33:16,116 As I stand up, Ted stands up beside me 756 00:33:16,150 --> 00:33:17,450 and reaches for the file, 757 00:33:17,483 --> 00:33:20,473 but now I'm acting like this is what was planned. 758 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,200 Man: At one point when a university police officer 759 00:33:23,233 --> 00:33:26,083 was on the stand, Bundy himself, not his attorneys, 760 00:33:26,116 --> 00:33:27,446 did the cross-examining. 761 00:33:27,483 --> 00:33:30,403 The first victim you saw -- 762 00:33:30,433 --> 00:33:33,273 And he asked a few peremptory questions, 763 00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:37,120 and then he says, "describe in great detail what you saw 764 00:33:37,150 --> 00:33:39,450 when you pulled back the covers." 765 00:33:39,483 --> 00:33:43,203 And I felt like that was just about the worst thing 766 00:33:43,233 --> 00:33:46,033 that anybody could have ever done. 767 00:33:46,066 --> 00:33:48,026 Man: I remember that cross-examination, 768 00:33:48,066 --> 00:33:52,326 and it seemed, sort of, weirdly like time almost stopped 769 00:33:52,366 --> 00:33:54,016 and he was -- 770 00:33:54,050 --> 00:33:58,300 It was a way for him to get to relive those crimes. 771 00:33:58,333 --> 00:34:00,233 It was offensive. 772 00:34:00,266 --> 00:34:02,266 Man: You have to understand, at that point, 773 00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:05,400 Mr. Bundy had vehemently denied 774 00:34:05,433 --> 00:34:07,373 any involvement in any of this stuff. 775 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,480 It was very disheartening. 776 00:34:10,016 --> 00:34:13,016 Incredibly disheartening. 777 00:34:13,050 --> 00:34:14,280 Man: It was exactly three hours ago 778 00:34:14,316 --> 00:34:17,126 that Judge Edward Cowart gave the case to the jury. 779 00:34:17,166 --> 00:34:19,416 They are now deliberating behind closed doors. 780 00:34:19,450 --> 00:34:22,180 Bundy has said in court that he expects to win this case. 781 00:34:22,216 --> 00:34:24,046 Last night he told two reporters -- 782 00:34:39,116 --> 00:34:40,346 What we see going on here today, 783 00:34:40,383 --> 00:34:44,153 is something that I have no responsibility for. 784 00:34:44,183 --> 00:34:48,133 ♪♪ 785 00:34:48,166 --> 00:34:50,266 Man: Just 6 1/2 hours after Judge Edward Cowart 786 00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:51,400 handed the case to the jury, 787 00:34:51,433 --> 00:34:54,433 the 12-member panel returned with a verdict. 788 00:34:54,466 --> 00:34:58,296 Man: Are you confident that he will be acquitted here? 789 00:34:58,333 --> 00:35:00,033 I hope he will be acquitted. 790 00:35:00,066 --> 00:35:02,116 I can't say I'm confident, 791 00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:07,100 but I believe he should be on the basis of the nonevidence. 792 00:35:07,133 --> 00:35:08,173 Man: Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 793 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,150 have you reached a verdict? 794 00:35:10,183 --> 00:35:11,423 Yes, we have. 795 00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:14,380 The jury was out, I want to say, a little over six hours 796 00:35:14,416 --> 00:35:16,126 before they returned the verdict, 797 00:35:16,166 --> 00:35:19,216 and nobody knew what the answer was going to be. 798 00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:21,070 Either you get a not guilty, or you get a guilty. 799 00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:22,280 There's really nothing in between. 800 00:35:22,316 --> 00:35:23,476 Feel you're going to win this case? 801 00:35:24,016 --> 00:35:25,226 I believe we will, yes. 802 00:35:25,266 --> 00:35:27,366 We were thinking that the appropriate 803 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,030 verdict was not guilty. 804 00:35:29,066 --> 00:35:30,466 Woman: We, the jury, find the defendant, 805 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,300 Theodore Robert Bundy, 806 00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:34,033 guilty as charged, 807 00:35:34,066 --> 00:35:37,176 so say we all. 808 00:35:37,216 --> 00:35:39,166 Woman: Bundy said he was hopeful and optimistic 809 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,230 jurors would see things his way. 810 00:35:41,266 --> 00:35:43,316 They did not. 811 00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:46,380 After years of being suspected in more than a dozen deaths, 812 00:35:46,416 --> 00:35:49,116 Ted Bundy was now a convicted murderer. 813 00:35:49,150 --> 00:35:50,230 Man: And there was a kind of a collective 814 00:35:50,266 --> 00:35:51,366 gasp in the courtroom, 815 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,300 but I think it was one of largely of resolution. 816 00:35:56,333 --> 00:36:00,033 Man: All guilty verdicts on all of the counts, 817 00:36:00,066 --> 00:36:02,366 it was just a huge sigh of relief. 818 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,480 We're very satisfied with what verdict we did get in this case. 819 00:36:07,016 --> 00:36:09,396 We couldn't have expected it to be any better than it was. 820 00:36:09,433 --> 00:36:13,003 The verdict came through and it was like a relief. 821 00:36:13,033 --> 00:36:14,183 Man: What was your first reaction 822 00:36:14,216 --> 00:36:15,216 when you heard that verdict? 823 00:36:15,250 --> 00:36:17,070 Thank God, it's over. 824 00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:20,070 It was kind of a deep sigh 825 00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:24,080 and a terrible feeling for Margaret and Lisa. 826 00:36:24,116 --> 00:36:26,096 It was like, they can't see this, 827 00:36:26,133 --> 00:36:28,323 and they can't go on. 828 00:36:28,350 --> 00:36:32,250 I never had any doubt, almost from the beginning, 829 00:36:32,283 --> 00:36:35,203 that was gut, and, of course, you don't go to court with gut. 830 00:36:35,233 --> 00:36:39,383 That's why we worked so hard on the case. 831 00:36:39,416 --> 00:36:41,366 He was so arrogant. 832 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,170 He thought he was smarter than everybody else 833 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,280 and probably figured that, you know, 834 00:36:45,316 --> 00:36:47,266 we would never be able to convict him. 835 00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:49,070 Woman: It just was a relief to me. 836 00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:50,070 He was off the streets. 837 00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:51,480 He would still be killing people. 838 00:36:52,016 --> 00:36:53,276 Man: Throughout the clerk's reading of the verdict, 839 00:36:53,316 --> 00:36:55,216 Bundy showed little reaction. 840 00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:57,380 Bundy: I didn't show any emotion because, you know, 841 00:36:57,416 --> 00:36:59,116 what am I supposed to do? 842 00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:00,330 Am I going to jump up on the table? 843 00:37:00,366 --> 00:37:02,996 Am I going to scream? That's what I felt like doing. 844 00:37:03,033 --> 00:37:04,423 I heard my mother crying. 845 00:37:04,450 --> 00:37:08,130 Louise: Needless to say, I think the jury is totally wrong. 846 00:37:08,166 --> 00:37:10,126 It's just impossible. 847 00:37:10,166 --> 00:37:11,396 It's wrong. We'll appeal it. 848 00:37:11,433 --> 00:37:15,303 It's just -- what else can I say? 849 00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:19,453 She was so sincere and so strong in her defense of her son. 850 00:37:19,483 --> 00:37:21,473 You know, she said he couldn't have done it, 851 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,350 couldn't have done it. 852 00:37:23,383 --> 00:37:24,453 Bundy: I'm innocent of the charges 853 00:37:24,483 --> 00:37:26,233 of which I've been convicted. 854 00:37:26,266 --> 00:37:28,096 Man: The defendant's mother sat quietly later remarking that 855 00:37:28,133 --> 00:37:31,033 she would have liked to have, "wringed the prosecutor's neck." 856 00:37:31,066 --> 00:37:34,346 One week later, court reconvened for sentencing. 857 00:37:34,383 --> 00:37:37,133 The overwhelming public sentiment is that 858 00:37:37,166 --> 00:37:39,396 everyone wanted Ted Bundy to die. 859 00:37:39,433 --> 00:37:44,403 Man: Give him the same amount of mercy 860 00:37:44,433 --> 00:37:48,103 that he gave Lisa Levy and Margaret Bowman -- 861 00:37:48,133 --> 00:37:51,103 which was absolutely none. 862 00:37:51,133 --> 00:37:56,023 Man: It required a majority of the jurors 863 00:37:56,050 --> 00:37:58,020 to recommend the death penalty 864 00:37:58,050 --> 00:38:01,080 in order for it to be a death penalty verdict. 865 00:38:01,116 --> 00:38:03,396 This court has hereby imposed the death penalty 866 00:38:03,433 --> 00:38:06,123 upon the defendant, Theodore Robert Bundy. 867 00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:08,130 Man: Today, at age 32, Theodore Robert Bundy 868 00:38:08,166 --> 00:38:11,026 stood in a Florida courtroom and listened to a judge describe 869 00:38:11,066 --> 00:38:13,296 his pending death in the Florida electric chair. 870 00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:15,033 Justice is a funny thing. 871 00:38:15,066 --> 00:38:18,216 What kind of justice do you pay for killing all those women? 872 00:38:18,250 --> 00:38:21,220 I don't think that there's any such thing as justice. 873 00:38:21,250 --> 00:38:25,120 I would say that when he was sentenced to death, 874 00:38:25,150 --> 00:38:29,480 my gut feeling was, he'll never hurt anyone ever again. 875 00:38:30,016 --> 00:38:35,046 ♪♪ 876 00:38:35,083 --> 00:38:37,403 Woman: Ted Bundy was already looking at the death penalty 877 00:38:37,433 --> 00:38:40,283 when he faced another possible death penalty 878 00:38:40,316 --> 00:38:43,266 for the murder of 12-year-old Kimberly Leach. 879 00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:46,000 She was the middle school student who was abducted 880 00:38:46,033 --> 00:38:47,183 right outside of her school 881 00:38:47,216 --> 00:38:50,166 just three weeks after the Chi Omega murders. 882 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,330 Man: Ted was completely disinterested 883 00:38:52,366 --> 00:38:54,126 in the Lake City case. 884 00:38:54,166 --> 00:38:57,076 The pressure that he put on us 885 00:38:57,116 --> 00:39:00,276 and the defense in the Tallahassee case was gone. 886 00:39:00,316 --> 00:39:03,046 He was there. He didn't want to do anything. 887 00:39:03,083 --> 00:39:06,273 He just, whatever happens, happens. 888 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,420 From a trial standpoint, that case was much stronger. 889 00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:16,370 Man: When he kidnapped Kim Leach, 890 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,330 there was these unbelievable cross-transfers from the carpet 891 00:39:21,366 --> 00:39:23,426 from the FSU media center van to her clothing 892 00:39:23,466 --> 00:39:25,216 recovered at the crime scene. 893 00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:28,320 We had fibers from the blue blazer that he wore 894 00:39:28,350 --> 00:39:30,130 on Kim's clothing; 895 00:39:30,166 --> 00:39:32,426 fibers from Kim's clothing on the blue blazer. 896 00:39:32,466 --> 00:39:35,396 It was just such a strong, conclusive chain 897 00:39:35,433 --> 00:39:37,233 of circumstances. 898 00:39:37,266 --> 00:39:40,346 Woman: After three weeks of testimony from both eyewitnesses 899 00:39:40,383 --> 00:39:43,183 and experts, the jury came back with a verdict. 900 00:39:43,216 --> 00:39:45,266 Woman: We, the jury, find the defendant, 901 00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:48,300 Theodore Robert Bundy, guilty of murder in the first degree. 902 00:39:48,333 --> 00:39:52,453 Man: He was guilty on all counts and the sentence was death. 903 00:39:52,483 --> 00:39:54,333 It is the sentence of this court that you, 904 00:39:54,366 --> 00:39:56,266 Theodore Robert Bundy, be sentenced to death 905 00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:58,220 for the murder of Kimberly Diane Leach. 906 00:39:58,250 --> 00:40:02,000 When they recommended death and that decision was announced, 907 00:40:02,033 --> 00:40:03,423 Bundy screamed at them in the courtroom. 908 00:40:11,416 --> 00:40:14,126 Man: Ted Bundy sits on Florida's death row. 909 00:40:14,166 --> 00:40:16,326 I think I stand about as much chance of dying 910 00:40:16,366 --> 00:40:18,176 in front of a firing squad or in a gas chamber 911 00:40:18,216 --> 00:40:20,466 as you do being killed in a plane flight home, 912 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,480 because it's not going to happen. 913 00:40:23,016 --> 00:40:26,296 Man: His lawyers claim Bundy is mentally incompetent 914 00:40:26,333 --> 00:40:29,253 and therefore cannot be executed under Florida law. 915 00:40:29,283 --> 00:40:32,453 It's time to end it now. He took their life. 916 00:40:32,483 --> 00:40:34,223 Shouldn't he give his? 917 00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:36,130 I kept thinking of Margaret and Lisa, 918 00:40:36,166 --> 00:40:39,176 how their lives would have been, could have been wonderful, 919 00:40:39,216 --> 00:40:42,066 and it upset me that he took that away. 920 00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:44,400 And he kept getting stays. 921 00:40:44,433 --> 00:40:49,133 Different judges gave him stays for a number of years. 922 00:40:49,166 --> 00:40:52,166 The U.S. appellate court ruling marks the second time 923 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,030 Florida has tried to execute Ted Bundy, 924 00:40:55,066 --> 00:40:57,046 and the second time it's been blocked. 925 00:40:57,083 --> 00:40:58,353 Woman: I was just feeling, 926 00:40:58,383 --> 00:41:01,033 "Well, the judges that give him stays 927 00:41:01,066 --> 00:41:03,216 should have their daughter date him." 928 00:41:03,250 --> 00:41:06,120 Woman: Ted realized that he had information 929 00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:08,020 that law enforcement wanted. 930 00:41:08,050 --> 00:41:10,230 Man: That's when we received the call 931 00:41:10,266 --> 00:41:12,126 that he wanted to talk to us. 932 00:41:12,166 --> 00:41:14,246 Man: Bundy has spent the past few days 933 00:41:14,283 --> 00:41:17,133 confessing to up to 20 murders in several states. 934 00:41:17,166 --> 00:41:22,176 We have enough information to know that it was pure evil. 935 00:41:22,216 --> 00:41:24,366 Man: Now he was bargaining for his life. 936 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,180 But he also threatened to withhold information. 937 00:41:36,483 --> 00:41:39,473 Ted Bundy was now a resident of Florida's death row. 938 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,170 Despite being convicted of three murders 939 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,000 and suspected in dozens more, 940 00:41:44,033 --> 00:41:46,153 he continued to proclaim his innocence. 941 00:41:46,183 --> 00:41:50,003 Then, after nearly ten years of appeals, 942 00:41:50,033 --> 00:41:52,273 Ted Bundy began to talk. 943 00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,050 His death row confessions, next time, 944 00:41:55,083 --> 00:41:56,483 oh "How it Really Happened." 945 00:41:57,016 --> 00:41:59,376 I'm Hill Harper. 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