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I hear Ted Bundy
in so many different contexts.
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I stay me, okay?
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I've matured in the past year.
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Believe me, I've grown
in the past year.
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My only misgivings is that
I might never be in a position
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to apply it,
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you know, on the streets
where I'd like to apply it.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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Welcome to
"How it Really Happened."
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I'm Hill Harper.
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Across the states
from January 1974
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through February 1978,
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young women were disappearing
and turning up dead,
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their bodies found badly beaten
and sexually assaulted.
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For years detectives in several
states searched for clues,
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and despite limited
physical evidence,
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each clue led them
back to one man,
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a law student named Ted Bundy.
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By the time he was captured
in Florida,
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Bundy had been suspected
in dozens of murders,
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including a brutal attack
on a sorority house in Florida,
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but could investigators
prove Bundy was,
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in fact, a serial killer?
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Here's how it really happened.
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Man: From Washington State to
Oregon to Utah to Colorado
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and now most recently
to Florida,
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police have discovered
a pattern of rape/murders
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which coincide with
Ted Bundy's movements
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over the past five years.
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Lynda Ann Healy,
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Denise Naslund, Janice Ann Ott,
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Georgeann Hawkins, x
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and 18-year-old
Susan Rancourt.
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Woman: When somebody is missing,
you imagine the worst things,
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and it turns out
what happened to her
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might have been worse
than what we imagined.
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Man:
Some of them were never found.
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Others were found -- beaten,
raped, strangled, nude.
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It seemed probable that all
the crimes
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have been committed
by the same man.
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Woman: He was kind of tall,
very tanned,
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very good looking,
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and he came up to me
and asked me to help him
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put his sailboat onto his car.
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This guy identified himself
as Ted,
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and they knew this person
drove a Volkswagen.
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Woman: We received literally
thousands of tips
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and, interestingly,
Ted Bundy was among them.
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Man: People teased him
at the office and said,
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"Say, your name's Ted
and you've got a Volkswagen."
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And, of course, they were
teasing and laughing about it
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because he seemed
like the least likely --
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He was the boy next door.
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I am not guilty.
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I am not guilty of the charges
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which have been
filed against me.
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Bundy was this crafty, cunning,
you know,
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attractive looking guy.
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Woman: I loved talking to Ted
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because he's a great,
talks about politics,
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very well read,
very analytical.
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He had a lot of influential
people that liked him
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and believed in him.
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He was making a name
for himself.
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He had said at one point
he would like
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to have been governor
of Washington State.
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He had a bachelor's degree
in psychology.
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He was in law school
at the University of Utah.
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He even joined
the Mormon church.
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People were saying,
you know, it couldn't be him.
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The Ted Bundy we knew
was not a violent person.
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Man: That was part of the enigma
of Ted Bundy,
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that he could fool people.
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Man: All throughout this,
Ted was saying, "I'm innocent,"
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but we do have some things
coming up that says,
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"No, he's not."
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Man: They had seized
the Volkswagen
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and vacuumed
the inside for evidence.
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Man: FBI tests show the hair
found in Bundy's car
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matched those of the girl
abducted in Murray,
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the nurse murdered in Colorado,
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and a Midvale girl who
had been raped and strangled.
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That was the first
smoking-gun link
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to link him
to these other killings.
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Man:
In a Salt Lake City trial,
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Bundy was convicted of trying
to kidnap Carol DaRonch.
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Bundy was later extradited
to Colorado
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to stand trial
for murder there.
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He was looking for avenues
of escape.
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Man: The defendant was
in the courtroom,
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and the guy was at the door,
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and the last time he looked,
the defendant was there
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and the next time he looked,
he was gone.
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Where did he go?
Tallahassee.
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Man:
He was really under the radar
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and nobody
recognized him in Florida.
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Man: During the predawn hours
of January 15th,
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the killer walked through
an unlocked door
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at the Chi Omega sorority house
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and brutally beat
four FSU coeds as they slept.
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Woman: When he came into
the sorority house,
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he came up the stars.
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He had picked up
a piece of firewood.
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Man: The women who were murdered
were 21-year-old Margaret Bowman
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and 20-year-old Lisa Levy.
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One was one raped
and bitten by the killer.
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The attack was to Margaret first
and then Lisa,
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and then he came into our room.
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Man: Two girls were murdered,
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two others were beaten badly.
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There was blood everywhere.
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And another woman in another
location was also beaten.
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Woman: Bundy had pushed a chair
under my front door
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so they had to kick it in
to be able to go in
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and then that's where
they found me in my bedroom.
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Man: The chief suspect,
Ted Bundy.
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Man: He says, "Al, do you think
I really killed those girls
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that they claim I did?"
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And what I said was,
"I don't know for sure,
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but I think if you did,
you'll likely do it again."
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Woman:
Ted Bundy was under arrest,
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suspected in both
the brutal killings
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of the two sorority sisters,
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as well as the middle school
student Kimberly Leach.
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Man: 12-year-old
Kimberly Leach
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vanished from school
in Lake City, Florida,
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on February 9th.
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I'd never heard the term
"serial killer" before.
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She was a pretty little
12-year-old girl
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who had just been elected to
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the Valentine court
at her school.
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Man: Once his picture appeared
in the paper,
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some witnesses in Lake City
identified him
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as being the man
who abducted Kimberly Leach.
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I mean, two and two
added up to four,
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and Ted looked like
he could be our guy.
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But the challenge was that
they didn't have
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all of the details of
Kimberly Leach's disappearance,
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and didn't even know
where her body was.
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Without those details
and without her remains,
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it was going to be
very difficult to build a case.
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Man: We had search parties all
out in the woods
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in Columbia County
and Suwannee County
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and going west, Madison County
towards Tallahassee.
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We had to have the body.
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Woman: Authorities caught
a break
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when they discovered a van
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near the Florida State
University campus.
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We had a report from
two children in Jacksonville
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that a man stopped
and asked a young girl,
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"Could you help me?"
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Her brother was not far behind.
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He comes running up
and grabs his sister.
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And little did Bundy know
but their father was
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captain of the Duval County
homicide detectives.
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Man: And they had been trained
well, so the young man
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took down the tag number,
the make and the model.
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When we got that information,
and we processed it we find out
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that was a Florida State
University van,
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and the van had been stolen.
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It was found abandoned
in Tallahassee.
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They treated it like a crime
scene from the very beginning.
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Man: When they vacuumed out
the van,
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what they found was
pig droppings,
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vegetation and dirt.
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Forensic botanists analyzed
the debris found in the van.
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Man: They had been searching
for her body with no success,
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and so they came to me
and said,
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"Here's some plant material
we found
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on the undercarriage
of the vehicle.
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Can you tell us anything
about that
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to help us narrow
the search area?"
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Man: The forensic botanists
told them
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that the soil samples
and the leaves
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and so forth come from along
the banks of the Suwannee River.
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The pig droppings indicated
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there was probably
some pig pens.
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And that narrowed their search
area by over half,
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and then the body was found
fairly soon after that.
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Woman:
After a widespread search,
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Kim's body was found
under a hog shed.
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She was beaten
and sexually molested.
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In order to prove Ted Bundy
guilty of killing Kim Leach,
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we had to put
the two of 'em together.
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We had to put Bundy
in that white van.
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We had to put Kim Leach
in that white van.
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Florida Department of Criminal
Law Enforcement
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crime lab experts
are still busy sifting through
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and analyzing evidence.
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Man: When the FSU media center
van was recovered,
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in the ashtray
there were cigarettes
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that seemed to be crushed out
in, kind of, a unique twist,
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and in the field
where Kim was ultimately found,
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somebody had dumped
a vehicle ashtray.
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Man: The theory was, well,
maybe after the body was dumped
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that he cleaned out the car
and emptied the ashtray,
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and the way the cigarette butts
were bent in the particular way
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that they had been brushed out,
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the same person smoked both of
those piles of cigarette butts.
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Man: The crime lab made
the case for us.
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There was no doubt about it.
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The van had an unusual
shag carpet
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in the back
on the floorboard of the van.
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There were these unbelievable
cross-transfers from the carpet
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to her clothing recovered
at the crime scene.
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Man: And there was fiber from
Bundy's clothing
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that was found at the dump site
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and found on the carpet
in the van.
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Man: What are the odds that
could happen
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just as a matter of coincidence
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if he were not,
in fact, the perpetrator?
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Woman: Kimberly Leach vanished
February 9th.
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Her body was found on April 7th.
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Man: There seemed to be a pretty
massive trauma
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to her throat area,
and bleeding.
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Woman: Eyewitness news has
learned the prosecution
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has evidence linking Bundy with
the knife
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that could
have killed Kimberly Leach.
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Two price stickers,
one on top of the other,
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were found inside the white van.
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They were traced to this hunting
supply store
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on Jacksonville's west side.
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Man: The proprietor picked Bundy
out as having purchased
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that knife the day
before that he kidnapped Kim.
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There was just one,
inescapable conclusion,
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and that was that Bundy
was responsible for Kim's death
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and abduction.
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Step out, Mr. Bundy.
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Ken read the indictment.
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You told them that you were
gonna get me --
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he said he was gonna get me.
Okay, you got the indictment.
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It's all you're gonna get.
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We are not going to lose
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Theodore Robert Bundy,
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I can assure you.
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Your standard
medium-security life in a prison
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is a fairly decent existence,
relatively speaking.
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It's just creating your own
environment in here,
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and not looking at the ceiling,
not looking at the wall,
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and not thinking
about the outside
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and not anguishing over the fact
that you've lost your freedom.
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Man: We didn't get
the murder indictment
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until we knew
we had good evidence.
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The local newspaper sent
their attorney to my office
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and said they wanted
to be present
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when he was informed of
the charges.
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They wanted to see
the expression on his face.
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Step out, Mr. Bundy.
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When he was taken out
of his cell, he had no idea why.
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He came down,
the elevator door opened,
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and he saw a camera there,
but he had no idea.
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Step out, Mr. Bundy.
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What do we have here, Ken?
Let's see.
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Oh, it's an indictment.
All right.
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Why don't you read it to me.
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"Oh, what have you
got here, Ken?
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Oh, what have you got?"
262
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Let's read it.
Let's go.
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I wish this arrogant loudmouth
would have kept his mouth shut
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so Ken could have done his job.
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Theodore Robert Bundy
you are charged indictment,
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two counts burglary, two counts
murder in the first degree --
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He walked in like
a banty rooster
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in his blue jail suit
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and he strutted around the room
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while the sheriff was
reading this,
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and he's kind of walking
a semicircle around the sheriff.
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I'll plead not guilty
right now.
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You're about up for election,
aren't you?
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Mr. Bundy --
Just about got it, didn't you?
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Mr. Bundy --
You told me that --
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You told them
that you were going to get me.
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He said he was going to get me.
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Okay, you got
the indictment.
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That's all you're going to get.
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The jaw would set,
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the, you know, the vein in
the neck would throb,
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and you could see the --
the kind of steeliness
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underneath him.
284
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I've been kept in isolation
for six months,
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I've been kept
away from the press,
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I've been buried by you,
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you've been talking
for six months,
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I think it's my turn now.
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I'll be heard.
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That's one of the first times
I saw
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Ted Bundy really mad.
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Man: Police charged Bundy
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not only with the murder
of the two coeds,
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but with the killing
of 12-year-old Kimberly Leach.
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Both cases were capital cases,
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and a conviction could mean
the death penalty.
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So, before the trials began,
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the prosecutors came to
Ted Bundy and made him an offer:
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if you plead guilty
to all the charges,
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we will take the death penalty
off the table.
301
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Man: Well, the plea bargain
came about from a feeling that,
302
00:13:34,166 --> 00:13:37,166
you know, you're probably
not going to win both trials.
303
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They understood that their cases
were not all that strong.
304
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This is probably a better
decision than risking a trial.
305
00:13:43,350 --> 00:13:46,080
He would be sentenced to
life in prison
306
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with a minimum-mandatory service
of 75 years without parole.
307
00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:53,030
Realize that this was
a circumstantial evidence case.
308
00:13:53,066 --> 00:13:55,046
We could lose this case.
309
00:13:55,083 --> 00:13:57,283
What I was mainly concerned
about here
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was getting Mr. Bundy off
the streets forever.
311
00:14:00,366 --> 00:14:04,066
Larry called me
and he asked me what I thought.
312
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At that point, I think more than
anything you just want them
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never to be able to hurt
anyone ever again.
314
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A long plea form was developed
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00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,130
with eight or ten signature
lines on it,
316
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including Mr. Bundy's,
317
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and after it was signed
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it was left
with him at the jail.
319
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Prosecution had said,
"Now, listen, we want Mr. Bundy
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to simply confess
to the murders.
321
00:14:25,366 --> 00:14:29,066
If he does anything other
than that, the deal is off."
322
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Man: When he came to court
the next morning,
323
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he had torn the section
of the plea form
324
00:14:34,050 --> 00:14:36,130
with his name on it off.
325
00:14:36,166 --> 00:14:37,296
Man: Mr. Bundy stood up
326
00:14:37,333 --> 00:14:41,023
and started criticizing
everybody he could think of.
327
00:14:41,050 --> 00:14:42,480
Man: He attacked his lawyers
and said,
328
00:14:43,016 --> 00:14:45,376
"Well, your honor,
before I enter this plea,
329
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I want to dismiss my lawyers
330
00:14:47,216 --> 00:14:49,246
because they don't believe
in my innocence."
331
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Man: I looked at the prosecutor
from Lake City,
332
00:14:52,050 --> 00:14:54,000
and he looked at me,
and we stood up and said,
333
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"That's it, it's over."
334
00:14:55,216 --> 00:14:56,416
We're wasting our time
to go through the charade
335
00:14:56,450 --> 00:14:59,070
of a plea now.
336
00:14:59,100 --> 00:15:01,080
Woman:
With the plea bargain now dead,
337
00:15:01,116 --> 00:15:02,316
both cases would go to trial.
338
00:15:02,350 --> 00:15:04,000
Man: You going to
represent yourself,
339
00:15:04,033 --> 00:15:05,303
or you going to get
another attorney?
340
00:15:05,333 --> 00:15:09,103
I'm staying with the man I know
best right now, and that's me.
341
00:15:09,133 --> 00:15:12,153
I just remember fixating
on Bundy
342
00:15:12,183 --> 00:15:13,483
and looking him in the eyes.
343
00:15:14,016 --> 00:15:16,066
I felt, like,
sick to my stomach.
344
00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,380
I know that there's a lot
of police ego on the line.
345
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I think it's a terribly
dangerous mentality
346
00:15:27,483 --> 00:15:31,333
to try to pin something
on somebody who they might --
347
00:15:31,366 --> 00:15:34,096
They believe
there's a possibility
348
00:15:34,133 --> 00:15:36,453
that they couldn't have done it.
349
00:15:36,483 --> 00:15:38,133
And as long as they
believe that,
350
00:15:38,166 --> 00:15:41,176
they're not going to find
the right man.
351
00:15:41,216 --> 00:15:45,266
Man: Ted, he sent a couple
letters to me from prison.
352
00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:48,430
"Why aren't the police looking
in this direction for that crime
353
00:15:48,466 --> 00:15:51,396
because anybody can see
that that's how it happened."
354
00:15:51,433 --> 00:15:53,473
I think there was still
this apprehension of
355
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,000
is he the right person,
or could there be more people?
356
00:15:57,033 --> 00:15:59,133
I still wasn't sure it was him.
357
00:15:59,166 --> 00:16:00,996
Let's get all the facts,
358
00:16:01,033 --> 00:16:03,333
because I don't want
to go through this again
359
00:16:03,366 --> 00:16:05,416
if it's the wrong person.
360
00:16:05,450 --> 00:16:07,000
Man: Police charged Bundy
361
00:16:07,033 --> 00:16:08,323
not only with the murder of
the two coeds,
362
00:16:08,350 --> 00:16:10,480
but with the killing
of 12-year-old Kimberly Leach,
363
00:16:11,016 --> 00:16:12,426
who vanished from school
in Lake City, Florida,
364
00:16:12,466 --> 00:16:15,216
on February 9th.
365
00:16:15,250 --> 00:16:17,470
Man: The Tallahassee case was
deemed to be weaker
366
00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,450
from a prosecution standpoint
than the Lake City case.
367
00:16:21,483 --> 00:16:23,203
Well, there's always
a measure of doubt,
368
00:16:23,233 --> 00:16:26,003
because the evidence
was questionable.
369
00:16:26,033 --> 00:16:29,073
Man: Not only did we not have
Mr. Bundy's fingerprints
370
00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:30,180
in the crime scenes,
371
00:16:30,216 --> 00:16:32,446
but we had unidentified
fingerprints,
372
00:16:32,483 --> 00:16:36,103
even to this day,
in those crime scenes.
373
00:16:38,216 --> 00:16:40,016
Man: There were two bite marks
which, of course,
374
00:16:40,050 --> 00:16:43,270
was the principal
evidence in this case.
375
00:16:43,300 --> 00:16:46,370
But there really wasn't,
except for the bite marks,
376
00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,120
the kind of definitive
physical evidence
377
00:16:49,150 --> 00:16:51,030
that we hoped we had had.
378
00:16:51,066 --> 00:16:54,226
I always felt confident that we
had the right person charged.
379
00:16:54,266 --> 00:16:58,396
What I wasn't confident of
is what the jury's reaction
380
00:16:58,433 --> 00:17:02,103
to a circumstantial-evidence
case like this would be.
381
00:17:04,100 --> 00:17:06,430
Police in both jurisdictions
were very busy
382
00:17:06,466 --> 00:17:09,346
gathering the evidence that they
needed to build these cases
383
00:17:09,383 --> 00:17:11,323
and also making sure
that Ted Bundy,
384
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:15,400
a two-time prison escapee,
remained behind bars.
385
00:17:15,433 --> 00:17:17,383
Man: Once he jumped out
of a courthouse window,
386
00:17:17,416 --> 00:17:19,026
the other time
he crawled through
387
00:17:19,066 --> 00:17:21,026
a foot-wide light fixture.
388
00:17:21,066 --> 00:17:23,046
The real measure of a man
in prison,
389
00:17:23,083 --> 00:17:24,403
as far as escape goes,
390
00:17:24,433 --> 00:17:27,073
is the difference
between hitting that fence
391
00:17:27,100 --> 00:17:28,420
and not hitting that fence,
392
00:17:28,450 --> 00:17:31,330
between getting shot at
and not getting shot at,
393
00:17:31,366 --> 00:17:33,066
and having the guts to do it
394
00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:34,370
and not having the guts
to do it.
395
00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,020
Man: Bundy told prison officials
here, "Don't take it personally,
396
00:17:38,050 --> 00:17:41,180
but if I can escape
from this prison, I will."
397
00:17:41,216 --> 00:17:44,146
Man: The story was, was that he
would run in place,
398
00:17:44,183 --> 00:17:46,383
preparing for that moment when
somebody slipped
399
00:17:46,416 --> 00:17:48,146
and he could get away.
400
00:17:48,183 --> 00:17:52,253
He takes opportunities
wherever they exist to escape,
401
00:17:52,283 --> 00:17:55,023
so you have to eliminate
the opportunities.
402
00:17:55,050 --> 00:17:57,080
Man: Will he be in a cell
with anyone else here?
403
00:17:57,116 --> 00:18:00,116
No. He'll be by himself
in a self-contained cell,
404
00:18:00,150 --> 00:18:03,380
completely surrounded
with armored plate.
405
00:18:03,416 --> 00:18:06,076
Man: He wanted me to take him
406
00:18:06,116 --> 00:18:09,426
to the Florida State University
law library
407
00:18:09,466 --> 00:18:13,326
so that he could work
in the law library.
408
00:18:13,366 --> 00:18:15,476
My answer to that was,
"Yeah, right."
409
00:18:18,233 --> 00:18:21,103
Woman: But Bundy was not
going down without a fight.
410
00:18:21,133 --> 00:18:22,383
He took the sheriff to court,
411
00:18:22,416 --> 00:18:26,026
claiming that his civil rights
were being violated.
412
00:18:26,066 --> 00:18:27,416
Katsaris: He sued me.
413
00:18:27,450 --> 00:18:32,070
There's a lawsuit, Ted Bundy
versus sheriff Ken Katsaris.
414
00:18:38,166 --> 00:18:40,276
I had to offer better lighting.
415
00:18:40,316 --> 00:18:43,126
Interestingly enough,
I gave him better lighting
416
00:18:43,166 --> 00:18:44,326
and he took me back to court
417
00:18:44,366 --> 00:18:46,276
and said the light
was too bright.
418
00:18:46,316 --> 00:18:49,276
He wanted access
to outdoor activity.
419
00:18:49,316 --> 00:18:51,296
I was ordered to give him
420
00:18:51,333 --> 00:18:54,333
one hour, three times a week,
outside.
421
00:18:54,366 --> 00:18:57,016
I had my tactical unit officer
422
00:18:57,050 --> 00:19:00,280
stationed at the corners
of the building.
423
00:19:00,316 --> 00:19:05,326
They had a scoped high-powered
rifle and a canine.
424
00:19:05,366 --> 00:19:07,326
We were not going to lose
Theodore Robert Bundy,
425
00:19:07,366 --> 00:19:10,346
I can assure you.
426
00:19:10,383 --> 00:19:12,223
Man: It has been nearly a year
since law student
427
00:19:12,250 --> 00:19:14,000
and former
political campaign worker
428
00:19:14,033 --> 00:19:16,033
Ted Bundy was accused
of the brutal slayings
429
00:19:16,066 --> 00:19:18,026
of two Florida State coeds.
430
00:19:18,066 --> 00:19:21,226
Ted Bundy, once again, decided
to act in his own defense.
431
00:19:21,266 --> 00:19:22,296
Man:
You going to represent yourself,
432
00:19:22,333 --> 00:19:24,103
or you going to get
another attorney?
433
00:19:24,133 --> 00:19:29,183
I'm staying with the man I know
best right now, and that's me.
434
00:19:29,216 --> 00:19:31,466
Florida is one of seven states
in the United States
435
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,150
that allows
pretrial depositions,
436
00:19:34,183 --> 00:19:36,473
sworn testimony
before the trial starts.
437
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,150
Man: While Mr. Bundy was
representing himself,
438
00:19:39,183 --> 00:19:42,153
he wanted to take depositions
from the witnesses,
439
00:19:42,183 --> 00:19:45,023
and I had the witnesses
come to the jail
440
00:19:45,050 --> 00:19:49,120
and let Mr. Bundy take
their depositions.
441
00:19:49,150 --> 00:19:50,320
Woman: It was bizarre.
442
00:19:50,350 --> 00:19:51,430
We went into this classroom,
443
00:19:51,466 --> 00:19:54,416
and I had lawyers
on both sides of me
444
00:19:54,450 --> 00:19:58,170
and there's guards,
and he comes in and sits down,
445
00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,020
and he starts
asking me questions.
446
00:20:01,050 --> 00:20:04,130
Woman: Bundy sat on one end
and I sat at the other end.
447
00:20:04,166 --> 00:20:07,176
I just remember fixating
on Bundy
448
00:20:07,216 --> 00:20:09,416
and looking him in the eyes.
449
00:20:09,450 --> 00:20:11,380
I felt, like,
sick to my stomach.
450
00:20:11,416 --> 00:20:14,116
Woman: I'm sure if he had moved
a muscle,
451
00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:17,270
they would have been on him
like syrup on French toast.
452
00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:19,150
Woman: Some of the questions
that he was asking --
453
00:20:19,183 --> 00:20:22,103
he did have a familiarity
with the house
454
00:20:22,133 --> 00:20:24,353
that someone else
would not have had.
455
00:20:24,383 --> 00:20:26,173
There were no maps of the house,
456
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,350
there were no diagrams
that existed anywhere,
457
00:20:28,383 --> 00:20:31,103
and men were not allowed on
the second floor,
458
00:20:31,133 --> 00:20:34,003
so, his familiarity, and the way
he asked questions,
459
00:20:34,033 --> 00:20:36,283
I was convinced he had been
in the house.
460
00:20:36,316 --> 00:20:39,416
I was totally convinced.
461
00:20:39,450 --> 00:20:41,350
I know what's there and I
know what isn't there.
462
00:20:41,383 --> 00:20:45,233
I've seen the files,
and I've heard the reports,
463
00:20:45,266 --> 00:20:48,466
and, Lord knows, I'm the first
and foremost person
464
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,280
that has the personal
intimate knowledge
465
00:20:51,316 --> 00:20:53,096
that it couldn't be me,
that it's not me,
466
00:20:53,133 --> 00:20:54,353
that I'm innocent.
467
00:20:54,383 --> 00:20:56,423
Let's just wait, and let's just
let it come out in court,
468
00:20:56,450 --> 00:20:59,050
and I'll lay my money on me.
469
00:21:05,316 --> 00:21:07,026
Good afternoon, Miss Gibson,
my name's Ted Bundy,
470
00:21:07,066 --> 00:21:09,016
and I'm the defendant in
the case, and I'm just here
471
00:21:09,050 --> 00:21:10,330
to introduce myself.
472
00:21:10,366 --> 00:21:15,176
Woman: I can remember feeling
very angry, sad.
473
00:21:15,216 --> 00:21:16,396
He is the absolute opposite
474
00:21:16,433 --> 00:21:19,053
of what you would picture
to be a monster.
475
00:21:19,083 --> 00:21:23,223
In this case,
everything is unbelievable.
476
00:21:23,250 --> 00:21:26,070
Welcome back to
"How it Really Happened."
477
00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:27,300
I'm Hill Harper.
478
00:21:27,333 --> 00:21:31,133
In the summer of 1979,
after being suspected
479
00:21:31,166 --> 00:21:33,366
in multiple murders
across the United States,
480
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,470
Ted Bundy stands trial
for the brutal attacks
481
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,430
at Florida State University.
482
00:21:37,466 --> 00:21:41,996
The trial was televised
and the country was riveted.
483
00:21:42,033 --> 00:21:45,023
Ted Bundy acted
as his own attorney,
484
00:21:45,050 --> 00:21:48,050
and no one was prepared
for the circus that followed.
485
00:21:50,233 --> 00:21:52,273
Man: Security guards checking
for concealed weapons
486
00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:54,250
outside the courtroom
tell the story that this is
487
00:21:54,283 --> 00:21:57,103
no ordinary murder trial;
the case of Ted Bundy,
488
00:21:57,133 --> 00:21:59,403
a man suspected of murdering
two Florida State coeds
489
00:21:59,433 --> 00:22:01,123
and beating three others.
490
00:22:01,150 --> 00:22:03,250
Woman:
Complete and utter shock,
491
00:22:03,283 --> 00:22:05,123
we still don't believe it.
492
00:22:05,150 --> 00:22:07,150
It just can't be.
493
00:22:07,183 --> 00:22:09,483
Our son is the best son
in the world.
494
00:22:10,016 --> 00:22:11,176
Man: The women who were murdered
495
00:22:11,216 --> 00:22:12,446
were 21-year-old
Margaret Bowman
496
00:22:12,483 --> 00:22:14,103
and 20-year-old Lisa Levy.
497
00:22:14,133 --> 00:22:20,033
My family has lived
with horror, sorrow and pain.
498
00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:25,450
It's an emotional pain
so deep it becomes physical.
499
00:22:25,483 --> 00:22:27,273
Woman: That's Margaret.
500
00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:29,130
That's a beautiful
picture.
501
00:22:29,166 --> 00:22:30,996
Yeah, she was a pretty girl.
502
00:22:31,033 --> 00:22:32,373
I think of Lisa and Margaret
a lot.
503
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,430
Margaret was, I believe,
an art history major,
504
00:22:34,466 --> 00:22:38,216
and she wanted to be
a curator at a museum.
505
00:22:38,250 --> 00:22:41,120
Lisa was that
girl next door, fun,
506
00:22:41,150 --> 00:22:42,480
always had a smile
on her face.
507
00:22:43,016 --> 00:22:45,216
It upset me that
he took that away.
508
00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:49,380
♪♪
509
00:22:49,416 --> 00:22:52,166
Hello, and welcome
to the State of Florida
510
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,250
versus Theodore Robert Bundy.
511
00:22:54,283 --> 00:22:57,073
Please be seated.
Court will come to order.
512
00:22:57,100 --> 00:23:00,370
The 500-mile change of venue
from Tallahassee to Miami
513
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,370
did nothing to lesson
all of the hoopla
514
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,050
surrounding the trial.
515
00:23:04,083 --> 00:23:06,173
It was going to be
televised live,
516
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,270
gavel to gavel,
one of the first of its kind.
517
00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:12,320
Man: It was crazy.
The TV trucks were all over.
518
00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:15,300
I'd never been in a circus
like that in my life.
519
00:23:15,333 --> 00:23:17,373
The Bundy trial has drawn
a lot of attention
520
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,100
partly because
of who he is,
521
00:23:19,133 --> 00:23:21,403
a mysterious, former law student
with a charming air in court --
522
00:23:21,433 --> 00:23:24,453
It was the weird celebrity
that he fostered in a way.
523
00:23:24,483 --> 00:23:28,083
He loved it.
He was basking in the attention.
524
00:23:28,116 --> 00:23:30,166
I screened the mail at the jail.
525
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,200
There were a lot of love letters
and proposals of marriages
526
00:23:33,233 --> 00:23:35,253
to Ted Bundy,
which was bizarre.
527
00:23:38,183 --> 00:23:39,273
As strange as it may sound,
528
00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:41,030
there were groupies
that followed him
529
00:23:41,066 --> 00:23:42,266
from courthouse to courthouse.
530
00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:44,030
His adoring fans.
531
00:23:44,066 --> 00:23:46,076
He just doesn't look like
the type to kill somebody.
532
00:23:46,116 --> 00:23:47,226
I noticed that most
of the people
533
00:23:47,266 --> 00:23:48,426
that were in there were women.
534
00:23:48,466 --> 00:23:51,176
Man: What is unusual to see is
that many of the onlookers
535
00:23:51,216 --> 00:23:53,166
are women, young women,
contemporaries
536
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,470
of the Florida State
sorority sisters
537
00:23:55,016 --> 00:23:58,196
who were assaulted in their beds
a year and a half ago.
538
00:23:58,233 --> 00:24:00,253
So we started interviewing
these young women,
539
00:24:00,283 --> 00:24:02,453
and, you know, you could see
by their eyes
540
00:24:02,483 --> 00:24:06,383
they were just fascinated
by the lurid details,
541
00:24:06,416 --> 00:24:09,176
the savagery of the crimes.
542
00:24:09,216 --> 00:24:10,296
Woman:
Every time he turns around,
543
00:24:10,333 --> 00:24:11,473
I kind of get that feeling,
544
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,250
oh, no, you know,
he's going to get me next.
545
00:24:14,283 --> 00:24:16,123
But yet you're fascinated
by him?
546
00:24:16,150 --> 00:24:18,030
Very, very.
547
00:24:18,066 --> 00:24:19,476
[ Bundy chuckling ]
548
00:24:20,016 --> 00:24:22,166
Man: There was one woman, and I
don't think she missed a day.
549
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,230
She sat right there
on the front row,
550
00:24:24,266 --> 00:24:27,176
and she would alternately
make moon eyes at Bundy
551
00:24:27,216 --> 00:24:30,026
and stare daggers
at Carole Boone.
552
00:24:30,066 --> 00:24:32,376
Carole Boone believes Bundy
is completely innocent.
553
00:24:32,416 --> 00:24:34,466
Some have called
her his girlfriend.
554
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,370
She prefers to be known as
just a close, personal friend.
555
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:43,380
Let me put it this way, I don't
think that Ted belongs in jail.
556
00:24:43,416 --> 00:24:46,196
Man: Carole Boone says she first
met Ted Bundy five years ago
557
00:24:46,233 --> 00:24:47,383
when they worked
in the same office
558
00:24:47,416 --> 00:24:49,116
in Seattle, Washington.
559
00:24:49,150 --> 00:24:50,430
Since that time
she has followed him,
560
00:24:50,466 --> 00:24:53,296
helping him prepare
his legal cases from Utah
561
00:24:53,333 --> 00:24:55,083
where he was convicted
of kidnapping
562
00:24:55,116 --> 00:24:56,416
a young woman, to Colorado,
563
00:24:56,450 --> 00:24:59,070
where he's suspected
of murdering another,
564
00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:01,000
and, finally, now to Florida.
565
00:25:01,033 --> 00:25:02,353
Man: She had an explanation,
or an answer,
566
00:25:02,383 --> 00:25:04,383
for every circumstance
in every case;
567
00:25:04,416 --> 00:25:06,016
what was wrong about it,
568
00:25:06,050 --> 00:25:09,180
identifications had been coerced
or were inaccurate,
569
00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:11,226
the physical evidence
didn't hold up.
570
00:25:11,266 --> 00:25:17,046
I don't think they had reason
to charge Ted Bundy with murder.
571
00:25:17,083 --> 00:25:18,323
Man: For the first time,
jurors in
572
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:19,470
the Theodore Bundy murder trial
573
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,050
were brought in to hear --
574
00:25:21,083 --> 00:25:22,103
From the two crime scenes
575
00:25:22,133 --> 00:25:23,473
where two Florida State
sorority sisters
576
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,150
were strangled to death
and three others brutally beaten
577
00:25:26,183 --> 00:25:29,373
with a club the morning
of January 15th, 1978.
578
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,370
He had picked up
a piece of firewood,
579
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,100
and he attacked Margaret.
580
00:25:36,133 --> 00:25:38,023
He attacked Lisa Levy.
581
00:25:38,050 --> 00:25:41,270
He used pantyhose,
strangled her,
582
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:43,320
bit her, did other things,
583
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:45,450
and then came into our room.
584
00:25:45,483 --> 00:25:48,053
Man: When police officer
Oscar Brannon took the stand,
585
00:25:48,083 --> 00:25:50,083
he described the first victim
who was discovered,
586
00:25:50,116 --> 00:25:51,426
Karen Chandler.
587
00:26:05,383 --> 00:26:07,383
Officer Brannon said
it was shortly afterwards
588
00:26:07,416 --> 00:26:10,116
that the bodies of the two
murdered coeds were found.
589
00:26:10,150 --> 00:26:11,370
One of the young women
had a stocking
590
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,170
wrapped tightly
around her throat.
591
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,230
Man: He strangled her with
a pair of pantyhose
592
00:26:17,266 --> 00:26:18,366
that he had brought with him.
593
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,180
Now, we know that because
the brand of pantyhose
594
00:26:21,216 --> 00:26:23,216
was not one either
used by Margaret
595
00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:26,170
or any of the young women
in the Chi Omega sorority house.
596
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,050
Man: Some of the first witnesses
who are expected
597
00:26:28,083 --> 00:26:30,253
to testify this week
are Chi Omega coeds
598
00:26:30,283 --> 00:26:32,483
who were there
when the killings occurred.
599
00:26:33,016 --> 00:26:35,276
You know, I just prayed
mightily ahead of time
600
00:26:35,316 --> 00:26:39,016
that I would be calm
and that I'd be -- not react.
601
00:26:39,050 --> 00:26:40,330
Knowing, of course,
that he would probably
602
00:26:40,366 --> 00:26:45,476
take some kind of pleasure
in scaring people or scaring us.
603
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:51,420
The only time I was
really nervous was walking in.
604
00:26:51,450 --> 00:26:54,100
Man: When the two who survived
were brought in to testify,
605
00:26:54,133 --> 00:26:57,183
first Karen Chandler
and then Kathy Kleiner,
606
00:26:57,216 --> 00:26:58,476
both said they had
no recollection
607
00:26:59,016 --> 00:27:00,176
of what had happened to them.
608
00:27:00,216 --> 00:27:02,076
Woman: At that point,
Bundy was his --
609
00:27:02,116 --> 00:27:04,076
serving as his own lawyer,
610
00:27:04,116 --> 00:27:07,376
and then he got up
and asked me questions.
611
00:27:07,416 --> 00:27:09,366
"Did you see my face?"
612
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,100
You know, "How did you know
it was me?"
613
00:27:12,133 --> 00:27:13,473
Man: Cheryl Ann Thomas
told the court,
614
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,450
she only remembers coming home
after a night of disco dancing,
615
00:27:16,483 --> 00:27:19,283
going to bed, and then
waking up in the hospital.
616
00:27:19,316 --> 00:27:21,416
I had five skull fractures
617
00:27:21,450 --> 00:27:24,250
and multiple contusions
in my head,
618
00:27:24,283 --> 00:27:28,233
and I had a broken jaw
and my left shoulder
619
00:27:28,266 --> 00:27:29,426
was pulled out of joint.
620
00:27:29,466 --> 00:27:33,426
It was odd because he was
right across from me,
621
00:27:33,466 --> 00:27:38,396
and he looked at me
as if he didn't know me at all.
622
00:27:38,433 --> 00:27:40,223
It's unbelievable.
623
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:42,180
Man: Judge Cowart has said he
expects the trial
624
00:27:42,216 --> 00:27:45,016
to last from 30 to 45 days.
625
00:27:45,050 --> 00:27:47,300
Man: I don't think I really
had made up my mind
626
00:27:47,333 --> 00:27:49,353
until about halfway
through the trial
627
00:27:49,383 --> 00:27:52,453
when, during
the courtroom recess,
628
00:27:52,483 --> 00:27:55,233
I came face-to-face
with Bundy himself,
629
00:27:55,266 --> 00:27:58,996
and that encounter
was unbelievable.
630
00:27:59,033 --> 00:28:02,073
His eyes turned like
laser beams.
631
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:05,030
It was sheer hostility --
632
00:28:05,066 --> 00:28:07,026
anger, hostility,
633
00:28:07,066 --> 00:28:09,016
viciousness
that I saw in that face.
634
00:28:09,050 --> 00:28:11,150
He took his mask off
at that moment,
635
00:28:11,183 --> 00:28:15,183
and I saw something that
you never saw in the courtroom.
636
00:28:15,216 --> 00:28:18,196
That told me he was a killer.
637
00:28:20,333 --> 00:28:22,073
Since he was co-counsel,
638
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,150
he could decide what direction
the defense would go.
639
00:28:25,183 --> 00:28:27,433
I mean, I could get up here
640
00:28:27,466 --> 00:28:32,266
and examine every single witness
for the defense.
641
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:34,400
No question in my mind
that I can do it.
642
00:28:34,433 --> 00:28:37,423
I felt like that was just about
the worst thing
643
00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:40,120
that anybody
could have ever done.
644
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:47,420
You can't help
but become an advocate
645
00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:50,420
for yourself when you're
so involved in the case.
646
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:52,250
I'm being a good defense
attorney,
647
00:28:52,283 --> 00:28:54,083
and I'm not, you know, I'm not
pretending I'm an attorney,
648
00:28:54,116 --> 00:28:55,376
but I felt it was right.
649
00:28:55,416 --> 00:28:58,046
I wanted to get involved.
650
00:28:58,083 --> 00:29:00,103
Man: The prosecuting attorneys
have told the jurors
651
00:29:00,133 --> 00:29:01,203
that they believe one man,
652
00:29:01,233 --> 00:29:04,003
on the morning
of January 15th, 1978,
653
00:29:04,033 --> 00:29:06,173
walked into the Florida State
Chi Omega house,
654
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,100
strangled two young coeds,
brutally beat two others
655
00:29:09,133 --> 00:29:11,033
and then struck again
four blocks away,
656
00:29:11,066 --> 00:29:13,196
nearly killing
a fifth young woman.
657
00:29:13,233 --> 00:29:15,383
That man, the prosecutors say,
is the defendant,
658
00:29:15,416 --> 00:29:17,146
Theodore Bundy.
659
00:29:17,183 --> 00:29:18,333
Due to the television coverage,
660
00:29:18,366 --> 00:29:22,066
key players in this case
were becoming household names.
661
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:25,200
One of them was Nita Neary,
a prosecution witness,
662
00:29:25,233 --> 00:29:27,033
who said that she saw
Ted Bundy
663
00:29:27,066 --> 00:29:30,426
leaving that sorority house
just minutes after the attacks.
664
00:29:30,466 --> 00:29:33,226
Man: Could you describe the man
that you saw at the door?
665
00:29:33,266 --> 00:29:36,316
Had a very prominent nose,
a straight bridge.
666
00:29:36,350 --> 00:29:39,020
It almost came to a point.
667
00:29:39,050 --> 00:29:41,150
It was slightly dark complected.
668
00:29:41,183 --> 00:29:43,473
And is that man
in the courtroom today?
669
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,080
Yes, he is.
670
00:29:45,116 --> 00:29:47,446
Would you point him out for us,
please?
671
00:29:49,233 --> 00:29:52,023
Man: That morning that
the murders occurred,
672
00:29:52,050 --> 00:29:54,130
she sat down with an artist
673
00:29:54,166 --> 00:29:56,246
and described the person
that she saw,
674
00:29:56,283 --> 00:29:58,483
and this was at a time
before anybody in Tallahassee
675
00:29:59,016 --> 00:30:00,376
had ever heard of Mr. Bundy,
676
00:30:00,416 --> 00:30:03,996
so it was not a sketch
that had been influenced
677
00:30:04,033 --> 00:30:06,133
in any way
by pretrial publicity
678
00:30:06,166 --> 00:30:08,426
or media coverage
or anything else like that.
679
00:30:08,466 --> 00:30:10,276
Man: The defense, however,
says the eyewitness,
680
00:30:10,316 --> 00:30:12,396
Nita Neary, caught only
a fleeting glimpse of the man,
681
00:30:12,433 --> 00:30:15,073
and they argue
that her story is unreliable.
682
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:17,230
She had very little time
to see the person,
683
00:30:17,266 --> 00:30:19,066
different than what
she described,
684
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:21,480
because after his arrest,
he was on video.
685
00:30:22,016 --> 00:30:23,076
He was on TV.
686
00:30:23,116 --> 00:30:25,366
He was in the newspapers
all the time.
687
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,170
He became a very
well-known face,
688
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,020
so for her to sit in a trial
and say,
689
00:30:31,050 --> 00:30:34,020
"Yeah, that's the guy,"
not surprising.
690
00:30:34,050 --> 00:30:36,370
Step up in the witness box
and raise your right hand.
691
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,480
Woman: The defense would also
attack the testimony of
692
00:30:39,016 --> 00:30:41,446
Dr. Richard Souviron,
the forensic dentist
693
00:30:41,483 --> 00:30:45,053
who says that the bite marks
left on victim Lisa Levy
694
00:30:45,083 --> 00:30:47,303
were definitely
matched by Ted Bundy.
695
00:30:47,333 --> 00:30:50,023
Man: I had a board
and I pointed out
696
00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:51,400
all the areas of comparison.
697
00:30:51,433 --> 00:30:53,383
His teeth and this and this
and this,
698
00:30:53,416 --> 00:30:57,476
and then the jury took
the one-to-one photographs
699
00:30:58,016 --> 00:30:59,216
and the models.
700
00:30:59,250 --> 00:31:02,030
Man: We as reporters, you know,
were spellbound just sitting
701
00:31:02,066 --> 00:31:06,196
there watching
these graphics of flesh
702
00:31:06,233 --> 00:31:10,353
that had been macerated,
and Bundy's teeth.
703
00:31:10,383 --> 00:31:12,073
Man: The prosecution
asked Souviron
704
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:13,480
if he could scientifically
match up
705
00:31:14,016 --> 00:31:15,396
the teeth marks
with Bundy's teeth.
706
00:31:15,433 --> 00:31:17,403
Souviron: There's no question
707
00:31:17,433 --> 00:31:20,153
that the teeth fit
the bite mark.
708
00:31:20,183 --> 00:31:21,423
They made the mark.
709
00:31:21,450 --> 00:31:24,080
Man: Prosecuting attorneys claim
that Bundy's teeth
710
00:31:24,116 --> 00:31:25,376
perfectly match
those bite marks;
711
00:31:25,416 --> 00:31:27,296
the defense told
the jurors otherwise.
712
00:31:27,333 --> 00:31:29,323
There's a lot of mouths
in the world.
713
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:31,450
A lot of people have similar
type bites.
714
00:31:31,483 --> 00:31:34,153
And there's obviously something
wrong with the observations
715
00:31:34,183 --> 00:31:37,203
made by the state's
odontologist.
716
00:31:37,233 --> 00:31:38,453
Our contention all along,
your honor,
717
00:31:38,483 --> 00:31:40,303
has been that they have taken
my teeth
718
00:31:40,333 --> 00:31:43,123
and twisted them every
which way but loose to fit.
719
00:31:43,150 --> 00:31:44,430
Woman: Ted Bundy was not shy
720
00:31:44,466 --> 00:31:47,026
about sharing his opinions
in court,
721
00:31:47,066 --> 00:31:49,076
especially when he got
to play the role
722
00:31:49,116 --> 00:31:50,346
of his own defense attorney.
723
00:31:50,383 --> 00:31:52,083
Man:
The defendant Theodore Bundy,
724
00:31:52,116 --> 00:31:54,296
dressed in a tweed coat
and a Seattle Mariners t-shirt,
725
00:31:54,333 --> 00:31:58,003
became the attorney today acting
directly in his own defense.
726
00:31:58,033 --> 00:32:01,133
Man: Bundy's team probably would
have preferred to have him
727
00:32:01,166 --> 00:32:02,216
tried in absentia,
728
00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:03,420
with Bundy not even there,
729
00:32:03,450 --> 00:32:05,450
because Bundy was a headache
to them.
730
00:32:05,483 --> 00:32:09,323
Certainly, I could -- I mean,
I could get up here
731
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:14,120
and -- and examine every single
witness for the defense.
732
00:32:14,150 --> 00:32:16,220
There's no question in my mind
that I can do it.
733
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:18,320
Since he was co-counsel,
he could decide
734
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:20,400
what direction
the defense would go.
735
00:32:20,433 --> 00:32:24,103
We were unable to make
decisions independent of him.
736
00:32:24,133 --> 00:32:27,233
He, through the force
of his personality,
737
00:32:27,266 --> 00:32:29,396
kind of controlled
how things went.
738
00:32:29,433 --> 00:32:31,183
Man: Bundy has said
he feels impelled
739
00:32:31,216 --> 00:32:33,996
to take a leading role
in his own defense.
740
00:32:34,033 --> 00:32:36,033
It is not known what his own
attorneys think of this,
741
00:32:36,066 --> 00:32:37,366
but there is no evidence
as yet
742
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,230
they are trying to dissuade him
from taking the floor.
743
00:32:40,266 --> 00:32:42,116
Woman: Most of Ted Bundy's time
in the courtroom
744
00:32:42,150 --> 00:32:44,420
was spent conferring
with his co-counsel,
745
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:46,350
but he decided to take the lead
746
00:32:46,383 --> 00:32:49,373
when the time came to
cross-examine the police officer
747
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,120
about what exactly he saw
748
00:32:51,150 --> 00:32:53,480
when he responded to
the Chi Omega murder scene,
749
00:32:54,016 --> 00:32:57,426
and that move may have cost
the defense this case.
750
00:32:57,466 --> 00:33:01,266
Man: I called, to the stand,
one of the first officers
751
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:04,200
on the scene of the Chi Omega
house that morning.
752
00:33:04,233 --> 00:33:08,233
You know, just kind of a basic
overview of what he found
753
00:33:08,266 --> 00:33:09,466
whenever he first got there.
754
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,330
Man: And I was to question
that officer.
755
00:33:12,366 --> 00:33:16,116
As I stand up,
Ted stands up beside me
756
00:33:16,150 --> 00:33:17,450
and reaches for the file,
757
00:33:17,483 --> 00:33:20,473
but now I'm acting like
this is what was planned.
758
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,200
Man: At one point when
a university police officer
759
00:33:23,233 --> 00:33:26,083
was on the stand, Bundy himself,
not his attorneys,
760
00:33:26,116 --> 00:33:27,446
did the cross-examining.
761
00:33:27,483 --> 00:33:30,403
The first victim you saw --
762
00:33:30,433 --> 00:33:33,273
And he asked a few
peremptory questions,
763
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:37,120
and then he says, "describe in
great detail what you saw
764
00:33:37,150 --> 00:33:39,450
when you pulled
back the covers."
765
00:33:39,483 --> 00:33:43,203
And I felt like that was just
about the worst thing
766
00:33:43,233 --> 00:33:46,033
that anybody could have
ever done.
767
00:33:46,066 --> 00:33:48,026
Man: I remember that
cross-examination,
768
00:33:48,066 --> 00:33:52,326
and it seemed, sort of, weirdly
like time almost stopped
769
00:33:52,366 --> 00:33:54,016
and he was --
770
00:33:54,050 --> 00:33:58,300
It was a way for him
to get to relive those crimes.
771
00:33:58,333 --> 00:34:00,233
It was offensive.
772
00:34:00,266 --> 00:34:02,266
Man: You have to understand,
at that point,
773
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:05,400
Mr. Bundy
had vehemently denied
774
00:34:05,433 --> 00:34:07,373
any involvement
in any of this stuff.
775
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,480
It was
very disheartening.
776
00:34:10,016 --> 00:34:13,016
Incredibly disheartening.
777
00:34:13,050 --> 00:34:14,280
Man: It was exactly
three hours ago
778
00:34:14,316 --> 00:34:17,126
that Judge Edward Cowart
gave the case to the jury.
779
00:34:17,166 --> 00:34:19,416
They are now deliberating
behind closed doors.
780
00:34:19,450 --> 00:34:22,180
Bundy has said in court that
he expects to win this case.
781
00:34:22,216 --> 00:34:24,046
Last night he told
two reporters --
782
00:34:39,116 --> 00:34:40,346
What we see going on here today,
783
00:34:40,383 --> 00:34:44,153
is something that I have
no responsibility for.
784
00:34:44,183 --> 00:34:48,133
♪♪
785
00:34:48,166 --> 00:34:50,266
Man: Just 6 1/2 hours
after Judge Edward Cowart
786
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:51,400
handed the case to the jury,
787
00:34:51,433 --> 00:34:54,433
the 12-member panel
returned with a verdict.
788
00:34:54,466 --> 00:34:58,296
Man: Are you confident that
he will be acquitted here?
789
00:34:58,333 --> 00:35:00,033
I hope he will be acquitted.
790
00:35:00,066 --> 00:35:02,116
I can't say I'm confident,
791
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:07,100
but I believe he should be
on the basis of the nonevidence.
792
00:35:07,133 --> 00:35:08,173
Man: Ladies and gentlemen
of the jury,
793
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,150
have you reached a verdict?
794
00:35:10,183 --> 00:35:11,423
Yes, we have.
795
00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:14,380
The jury was out, I want to say,
a little over six hours
796
00:35:14,416 --> 00:35:16,126
before they returned
the verdict,
797
00:35:16,166 --> 00:35:19,216
and nobody knew what
the answer was going to be.
798
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:21,070
Either you get a not guilty,
or you get a guilty.
799
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:22,280
There's really nothing
in between.
800
00:35:22,316 --> 00:35:23,476
Feel you're going to
win this case?
801
00:35:24,016 --> 00:35:25,226
I believe we will, yes.
802
00:35:25,266 --> 00:35:27,366
We were thinking that
the appropriate
803
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,030
verdict was not guilty.
804
00:35:29,066 --> 00:35:30,466
Woman: We, the jury,
find the defendant,
805
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,300
Theodore Robert Bundy,
806
00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:34,033
guilty as charged,
807
00:35:34,066 --> 00:35:37,176
so say we all.
808
00:35:37,216 --> 00:35:39,166
Woman: Bundy said he was hopeful
and optimistic
809
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,230
jurors would see things his way.
810
00:35:41,266 --> 00:35:43,316
They did not.
811
00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:46,380
After years of being suspected
in more than a dozen deaths,
812
00:35:46,416 --> 00:35:49,116
Ted Bundy was now
a convicted murderer.
813
00:35:49,150 --> 00:35:50,230
Man: And there was a kind
of a collective
814
00:35:50,266 --> 00:35:51,366
gasp in the courtroom,
815
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,300
but I think it was one
of largely of resolution.
816
00:35:56,333 --> 00:36:00,033
Man: All guilty verdicts
on all of the counts,
817
00:36:00,066 --> 00:36:02,366
it was just
a huge sigh of relief.
818
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,480
We're very satisfied with what
verdict we did get in this case.
819
00:36:07,016 --> 00:36:09,396
We couldn't have expected it
to be any better than it was.
820
00:36:09,433 --> 00:36:13,003
The verdict came through
and it was like a relief.
821
00:36:13,033 --> 00:36:14,183
Man:
What was your first reaction
822
00:36:14,216 --> 00:36:15,216
when you heard that verdict?
823
00:36:15,250 --> 00:36:17,070
Thank God, it's over.
824
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:20,070
It was kind of a deep sigh
825
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:24,080
and a terrible feeling
for Margaret and Lisa.
826
00:36:24,116 --> 00:36:26,096
It was like,
they can't see this,
827
00:36:26,133 --> 00:36:28,323
and they can't go on.
828
00:36:28,350 --> 00:36:32,250
I never had any doubt,
almost from the beginning,
829
00:36:32,283 --> 00:36:35,203
that was gut, and, of course,
you don't go to court with gut.
830
00:36:35,233 --> 00:36:39,383
That's why we worked so hard
on the case.
831
00:36:39,416 --> 00:36:41,366
He was so arrogant.
832
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,170
He thought he was smarter than
everybody else
833
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,280
and probably figured that,
you know,
834
00:36:45,316 --> 00:36:47,266
we would never be able
to convict him.
835
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:49,070
Woman:
It just was a relief to me.
836
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:50,070
He was off the streets.
837
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:51,480
He would still
be killing people.
838
00:36:52,016 --> 00:36:53,276
Man: Throughout the clerk's
reading of the verdict,
839
00:36:53,316 --> 00:36:55,216
Bundy showed little reaction.
840
00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:57,380
Bundy: I didn't show any emotion
because, you know,
841
00:36:57,416 --> 00:36:59,116
what am I supposed to do?
842
00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:00,330
Am I going to jump up
on the table?
843
00:37:00,366 --> 00:37:02,996
Am I going to scream?
That's what I felt like doing.
844
00:37:03,033 --> 00:37:04,423
I heard my mother crying.
845
00:37:04,450 --> 00:37:08,130
Louise: Needless to say, I think
the jury is totally wrong.
846
00:37:08,166 --> 00:37:10,126
It's just impossible.
847
00:37:10,166 --> 00:37:11,396
It's wrong.
We'll appeal it.
848
00:37:11,433 --> 00:37:15,303
It's just --
what else can I say?
849
00:37:15,333 --> 00:37:19,453
She was so sincere and so strong
in her defense of her son.
850
00:37:19,483 --> 00:37:21,473
You know, she said he couldn't
have done it,
851
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,350
couldn't have done it.
852
00:37:23,383 --> 00:37:24,453
Bundy: I'm innocent of
the charges
853
00:37:24,483 --> 00:37:26,233
of which I've been convicted.
854
00:37:26,266 --> 00:37:28,096
Man: The defendant's mother
sat quietly later remarking that
855
00:37:28,133 --> 00:37:31,033
she would have liked to have,
"wringed the prosecutor's neck."
856
00:37:31,066 --> 00:37:34,346
One week later, court
reconvened for sentencing.
857
00:37:34,383 --> 00:37:37,133
The overwhelming public
sentiment is that
858
00:37:37,166 --> 00:37:39,396
everyone wanted
Ted Bundy to die.
859
00:37:39,433 --> 00:37:44,403
Man: Give him
the same amount of mercy
860
00:37:44,433 --> 00:37:48,103
that he gave Lisa Levy
and Margaret Bowman --
861
00:37:48,133 --> 00:37:51,103
which was absolutely none.
862
00:37:51,133 --> 00:37:56,023
Man: It required a majority
of the jurors
863
00:37:56,050 --> 00:37:58,020
to recommend the death penalty
864
00:37:58,050 --> 00:38:01,080
in order for it
to be a death penalty verdict.
865
00:38:01,116 --> 00:38:03,396
This court has hereby imposed
the death penalty
866
00:38:03,433 --> 00:38:06,123
upon the defendant,
Theodore Robert Bundy.
867
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:08,130
Man: Today, at age 32,
Theodore Robert Bundy
868
00:38:08,166 --> 00:38:11,026
stood in a Florida courtroom
and listened to a judge describe
869
00:38:11,066 --> 00:38:13,296
his pending death
in the Florida electric chair.
870
00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:15,033
Justice is a funny thing.
871
00:38:15,066 --> 00:38:18,216
What kind of justice do you pay
for killing all those women?
872
00:38:18,250 --> 00:38:21,220
I don't think that there's
any such thing as justice.
873
00:38:21,250 --> 00:38:25,120
I would say that when he was
sentenced to death,
874
00:38:25,150 --> 00:38:29,480
my gut feeling was, he'll never
hurt anyone ever again.
875
00:38:30,016 --> 00:38:35,046
♪♪
876
00:38:35,083 --> 00:38:37,403
Woman: Ted Bundy was already
looking at the death penalty
877
00:38:37,433 --> 00:38:40,283
when he faced another
possible death penalty
878
00:38:40,316 --> 00:38:43,266
for the murder
of 12-year-old Kimberly Leach.
879
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:46,000
She was the middle school
student who was abducted
880
00:38:46,033 --> 00:38:47,183
right outside of her school
881
00:38:47,216 --> 00:38:50,166
just three weeks after
the Chi Omega murders.
882
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,330
Man: Ted was completely
disinterested
883
00:38:52,366 --> 00:38:54,126
in the Lake City case.
884
00:38:54,166 --> 00:38:57,076
The pressure that he put on us
885
00:38:57,116 --> 00:39:00,276
and the defense in
the Tallahassee case was gone.
886
00:39:00,316 --> 00:39:03,046
He was there.
He didn't want to do anything.
887
00:39:03,083 --> 00:39:06,273
He just, whatever happens,
happens.
888
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,420
From a trial standpoint,
that case was much stronger.
889
00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:16,370
Man:
When he kidnapped Kim Leach,
890
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,330
there was these unbelievable
cross-transfers from the carpet
891
00:39:21,366 --> 00:39:23,426
from the FSU media center van
to her clothing
892
00:39:23,466 --> 00:39:25,216
recovered
at the crime scene.
893
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:28,320
We had fibers from
the blue blazer that he wore
894
00:39:28,350 --> 00:39:30,130
on Kim's clothing;
895
00:39:30,166 --> 00:39:32,426
fibers from Kim's clothing
on the blue blazer.
896
00:39:32,466 --> 00:39:35,396
It was just such a strong,
conclusive chain
897
00:39:35,433 --> 00:39:37,233
of circumstances.
898
00:39:37,266 --> 00:39:40,346
Woman: After three weeks of
testimony from both eyewitnesses
899
00:39:40,383 --> 00:39:43,183
and experts, the jury
came back with a verdict.
900
00:39:43,216 --> 00:39:45,266
Woman: We, the jury,
find the defendant,
901
00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:48,300
Theodore Robert Bundy, guilty
of murder in the first degree.
902
00:39:48,333 --> 00:39:52,453
Man: He was guilty on all counts
and the sentence was death.
903
00:39:52,483 --> 00:39:54,333
It is the sentence
of this court that you,
904
00:39:54,366 --> 00:39:56,266
Theodore Robert Bundy,
be sentenced to death
905
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:58,220
for the murder of
Kimberly Diane Leach.
906
00:39:58,250 --> 00:40:02,000
When they recommended death
and that decision was announced,
907
00:40:02,033 --> 00:40:03,423
Bundy screamed at them
in the courtroom.
908
00:40:11,416 --> 00:40:14,126
Man: Ted Bundy sits
on Florida's death row.
909
00:40:14,166 --> 00:40:16,326
I think I stand about as much
chance of dying
910
00:40:16,366 --> 00:40:18,176
in front of a firing squad
or in a gas chamber
911
00:40:18,216 --> 00:40:20,466
as you do being killed
in a plane flight home,
912
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,480
because it's not
going to happen.
913
00:40:23,016 --> 00:40:26,296
Man: His lawyers claim Bundy
is mentally incompetent
914
00:40:26,333 --> 00:40:29,253
and therefore cannot be
executed under Florida law.
915
00:40:29,283 --> 00:40:32,453
It's time to end it now.
He took their life.
916
00:40:32,483 --> 00:40:34,223
Shouldn't he give his?
917
00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:36,130
I kept thinking of
Margaret and Lisa,
918
00:40:36,166 --> 00:40:39,176
how their lives would have been,
could have been wonderful,
919
00:40:39,216 --> 00:40:42,066
and it upset me
that he took that away.
920
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:44,400
And he kept getting stays.
921
00:40:44,433 --> 00:40:49,133
Different judges gave him
stays for a number of years.
922
00:40:49,166 --> 00:40:52,166
The U.S. appellate court ruling
marks the second time
923
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,030
Florida has tried to execute
Ted Bundy,
924
00:40:55,066 --> 00:40:57,046
and the second time
it's been blocked.
925
00:40:57,083 --> 00:40:58,353
Woman: I was just feeling,
926
00:40:58,383 --> 00:41:01,033
"Well, the judges
that give him stays
927
00:41:01,066 --> 00:41:03,216
should have their daughter
date him."
928
00:41:03,250 --> 00:41:06,120
Woman: Ted realized that
he had information
929
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:08,020
that law enforcement wanted.
930
00:41:08,050 --> 00:41:10,230
Man: That's when
we received the call
931
00:41:10,266 --> 00:41:12,126
that he wanted to talk to us.
932
00:41:12,166 --> 00:41:14,246
Man: Bundy has spent
the past few days
933
00:41:14,283 --> 00:41:17,133
confessing to up to 20 murders
in several states.
934
00:41:17,166 --> 00:41:22,176
We have enough information to
know that it was pure evil.
935
00:41:22,216 --> 00:41:24,366
Man: Now he was bargaining
for his life.
936
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,180
But he also threatened to
withhold information.
937
00:41:36,483 --> 00:41:39,473
Ted Bundy was now a resident of
Florida's death row.
938
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,170
Despite being convicted of
three murders
939
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,000
and suspected in dozens more,
940
00:41:44,033 --> 00:41:46,153
he continued to proclaim
his innocence.
941
00:41:46,183 --> 00:41:50,003
Then, after nearly ten years
of appeals,
942
00:41:50,033 --> 00:41:52,273
Ted Bundy began to talk.
943
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,050
His death row confessions,
next time,
944
00:41:55,083 --> 00:41:56,483
oh "How it Really Happened."
945
00:41:57,016 --> 00:41:59,376
I'm Hill Harper.
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