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What's the right way
for Ted Bundy to behave
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to make sure that people
get the right impression?
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Am I going to jump on the table?
Am I going to scream?
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That's what I felt like doing,
but I kept it together
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because there's no point
in destroying myself.
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I have got to
keep myself together.
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I have got to stay calm.
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I have got to keep
my presence of mind,
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and that's the way I feel.
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Welcome to
"How It Really Happened."
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I'm Hill Harper.
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In the winter of 1974,
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women from the Pacific Northwest
began to disappear.
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At first,
the cases seemed random,
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but soon, a pattern emerged.
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The missing women were all
beautiful, young, and white.
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Families hoped for the best,
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but when the girls' remains
were eventually discovered,
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authorities knew
there was a killer on the loose.
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Among the thousands of tips,
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an unlikely suspect
came into view --
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a handsome, well-liked,
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and respected law student
named Ted Bundy,
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and soon, the world would know
his chilling story.
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This is how it really happened.
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Women started going missing...
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...in intervals
of about once a month.
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They seemed to vanish
without a trace.
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McChesney:
That was very frightening
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for women in the area
at the time
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because there wasn't any sense
to what was going on.
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When you're 18, you don't want
to imagine the unimaginable.
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Zimmerman:
My sister Sue...
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[ Chuckles ]
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She was a blonde,
blue-eyed, pretty girl.
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She had a great smile.
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Winters: 5'2", 104 pounds,
she was a little thing,
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but she was so bubbly
and loving.
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She had such
an inquisitive mind.
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A bookworm,
but she loved people.
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I first met Sue
in sixth or seventh grade.
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We were cheerleaders together.
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You could tell her anything.
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If you were down,
she was there to make you happy.
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Somebody that would be
on your side
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if things
weren't going your way.
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She was so happy and excited
to be going to college.
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Good:
We were ready to just get going,
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see what life was about
and what it had to offer.
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Winters:
She was where she wanted to be,
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and she was doing wonderful
at school.
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She had made friends.
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Her grades were exceptional.
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Good: We would write letters
back and forth.
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The last letter
that she wrote me
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was that
she had met someone new,
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and she was very excited.
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That was the last time
I heard from her.
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Zimmerman:
Sue's roommate called and said,
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"Sue didn't come home
last night."
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I said, "What do you mean
she didn't come home?"
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The night that she disappeared,
she had gone across campus
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to a meeting for
next year's dorm monitors.
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She had put her clothes
in the dryer,
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and she never came back.
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Harper: Susan Rancourt,
a straight-A biology major,
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didn't show up to meet
some friends for a movie.
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She was gone,
and we don't know what happened.
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And they started searching
that night.
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Good: Having a dear friend,
who was as sweet as could be,
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go missing and possibly
have harm come to her
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is something you don't even
really want to think about.
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Harper: There was an extensive
search by local police for days,
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but very few leads,
no sign of Susan.
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Missing-persons posters
yielded no information.
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Susan had simply disappeared.
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Al Pickles, the chief of police,
worked with us every day.
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Chief Pickles searched the dorms
from top to bottom.
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He had notified other colleges
in Washington State
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and nearby Oregon and Idaho.
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Then Chief Pickles
started hearing of
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another girl missing here
and one missing there,
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and he really started
digging into it
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to see what was going on.
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Reporter:
Lynda Ann Healy,
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a 21-year-old University of
Washington student,
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disappeared from her Seattle
apartment in January of 1974.
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She went
to the University of Washington.
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She had an announcing job
at a radio station in Seattle.
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McChesney: She was on the radio
every morning,
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doing the ski report
five days a week.
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When she did not come on
the news and do her ski report,
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people noticed
that she was gone.
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Sullivan:
And then on March 12th,
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Donna Manson disappeared
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from Evergreen State College
in Olympia.
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She was walking
across campus one minute,
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the next minute, she's gone.
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There just was a kind of
eerie erasure of these women.
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Harper:
May 6th, the scene was repeated,
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this time miles south
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at Oregon State University
in Corvallis.
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Kathy Parks disappeared while
walking on campus that night.
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No trace was found.
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Three weeks later,
the night of May 31st,
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22-year-old Brenda Ball left
this Burien tavern and vanished.
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Keppel: Brenda Ball, we knew
that she lived close by
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to the tavern
that she was missing from.
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Basically, we had no witnesses.
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Nobody saw her with anybody.
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Then you had
Georgann Hawkins disappear.
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Harper: The night of June 10th,
18-year-old Georgann Hawkins
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left a fraternity
to make this walk,
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just 90 feet down
a well-lit alley,
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back to her sorority at
the University of Washington.
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Georgann was never seen again.
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Sullivan:
She's gone.
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The state of anxiety in
Washington can't be overstated.
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Meixner:
This guy came up to me
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and asked me to help him
put his sailboat onto his car.
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Lake Sammamish
would change everything.
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Reporter:
A wave of fear swept all across
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the state of Washington
from January to July of 1974,
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when someone
was abducting young women.
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It was difficult
to connect the dots
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when you're talking
about young women,
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similar age,
somewhat similar description...
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Young, pretty,
white females, dark-haired,
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typically parted
down the middle.
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McChesney: ...who go missing
with no -- virtually no clues.
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It was very important to us
to try and determine
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whether or not there was
any connection among the cases.
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Keppel: We didn't have anything
coming our way.
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We had the fact
that they were missing
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and the date and time
that they were missing, about,
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but nothing to help us
with the investigation.
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There weren't
suspicious circumstances.
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No one had seen these women
be abducted or in harm's way.
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Then in July of 1974,
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King County police started
investigating two cases
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involving women
who had gone missing
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from Lake Sammamish State Park.
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Lake Sammamish
would change everything.
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There were different events
going on at Lake Sammamish park,
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and thousands of people there
with their families.
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The first person at the park
that was missing was Janice Ott.
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She was seen on the beach
in her bikini,
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talking to a guy,
and they walked together.
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And she wheeled her bicycle
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back toward the parking lot
where his car was parked,
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and that's the last
that she was seen.
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And then Denise Naslund
was on the beach,
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and she had to use the restroom.
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So she walked back
toward the restroom
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and was never seen again.
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Reporter:
19-year-old Denise Naslund
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and 23-year-old Janice Ott
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disappeared on a warm summer day
at Lake Sammamish.
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Police launched
a massive search of the park,
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though there was no sign
of the women.
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Once the news media
broadcast information
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about these two women
going missing,
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witnesses came forward,
and the witnesses indicated
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that there were
suspicious things.
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Authorities didn't know it
at the time,
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but a girl
who was only 15 years old
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that would prove to be
the key eyewitness.
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Meixner:
The news came on,
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and the news anchor held up
two pictures of two women
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and started out by saying,
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"There's two missing women
from Lake Sammamish."
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And I looked at
one of the pictures,
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and it was Janice Ott.
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And I really felt like
I had a knot in my throat,
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and I remember
turning to my dad.
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I said, "That girl was
laying next to me on the beach,
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and she left with this guy."
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He said,
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"Well, I'm going to have to call
the police department."
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The very next day,
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Detective Keppel
came to the house,
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and I explained
the whole story to him.
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She turned out to be
a pretty good witness.
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Meixner: It was
an absolute beautiful day.
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I'd say by noon,
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it was literally wall-to-wall
people on the beach.
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Sylvia told Detective Keppel
that a smooth-talking stranger
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had come up to her
and asked her for help.
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Meixner:
This guy came up.
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He was kind of tall,
very tanned, very good-looking.
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He came up to me and asked me
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to help him
put his sailboat onto his car,
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and I remember looking at him.
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And I told him, I says,
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"You know, two of my girlfriends
are up at the concession stand,
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and if I was gone,
they would be really worried."
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Then this girl
laying next to me sat up,
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and he asked her the exact
same thing, and she says,
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"Well, I could probably
help you with that,"
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and she got up.
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She got dressed.
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As she was picking up her towel,
she says, "Hi, my name's Jan,"
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and he said, "Hi, I'm Ted."
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He said, "My name's Ted,"
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so that's the first time
we had a name.
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Meixner: And he asked me
if I could give a description.
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The individual
was probably about 5'10",
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with light-brown hair,
somewhat curly or wavy.
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Keppel: Mid-20s,
possibly a university student,
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dressed in white t-shirt,
white shorts,
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white tennis shoes,
white socks.
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McChesney:
And he was wearing a sling,
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some sort of sling device
on his arm,
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so that was the composite.
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Reporter: Witnesses told of
a smooth-talking,
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good-looking young man
named Ted,
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who had been seen
talking with them.
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Police released a composite
drawing and description of Ted.
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The newspaper
put the composite out,
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and I think the headline was,
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"Is this the Ted
that took the girls?"
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For two women,
the composite sketch of Ted
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hit a little too close to home.
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Chino: My friend threw
the picture on the table,
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the composite,
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and she said to me,
"Who do you think that is?"
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I said, "Well, it's Ted. Why?"
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And then she burst into tears
because that looked a lot like
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her boyfriend, Ted Bundy --
a lot like him.
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A lot of people trying to pin
a lot of stuff on somebody
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because,
you know, it's convenient.
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She went to the authorities.
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I think she wanted to make sure
he wasn't the one.
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Kendall: In my own mind,
there was similarities
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or coincidences that seemed
to tie him in, but yet,
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when I would think about
our day-to-day relationship,
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there was nothing there
that would lead me to think
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that he was a violent man.
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Woman: Have you ever
physically harmed anyone?
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Ever physically harmed anyone?
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No.
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Jordan:
In July of 1974,
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eight young women
had gone missing,
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and panic was rising
because it became clear
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that they had not gone
of their own volition.
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They had been taken.
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Authorities had very little
to go on,
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other than
a few eyewitness accounts
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of a man
who had been in the area.
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His name was Ted, and he was
last seen with one of the women
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who had gone missing
at Lake Sammamish.
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And from that point on,
it was like heightened alert.
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We didn't have
any physical evidence to go by.
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We had missing persons
for months and no remains.
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Sullivan: Before the first
dump site was found,
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they didn't have
any evidence at all.
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McChesney:
The first remains were found
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just a few miles from
Lake Sammamish state park.
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Reporter: Police made the grisly
recovery of several bodies,
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badly beaten,
sometimes strangled.
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The skeletal remains
of Janice Ott and Denise Naslund
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were found on a hillside.
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She was like a ray of sunshine
in my life,
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and she brought me
so much happiness.
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And I don't believe
I'll ever be the same again.
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McChesney:
The hunters came across bones.
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You didn't have
an entire skeleton.
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You had just pieces,
making it very difficult.
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Keppel: Well, you could see
in the skulls that were found
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that there were fracture marks,
so that led us to believe
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that they were probably
struck in the head.
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Reporter: The bodies of four
more young women were found.
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All of them had been strangled
or bludgeoned
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by this brutal killer.
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Reporter 2:
Lynda Ann Healy --
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her body was found on a mountain
18 miles from Seattle,
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along with the bodies
of several other missing women,
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including
18-year-old Susan Rancourt.
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Good: They found her body
in the mountains.
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They couldn't identify her
except by her dental records.
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That's horrific.
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When somebody is missing,
you imagine the worst things,
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and it turns out
what happened to her
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might have been worse
than what we imagined.
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McChesney: There were just
very few leads, very few clues.
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It was not easy.
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Keppel: There just wasn't
any of the traditional things
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you would find
at a murder scene.
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Clothing -- where was that,
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and where in the world
was the rest of the remains?
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We didn't have that, either.
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Only had bones.
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We still could not find evidence
leading us to the offender.
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Sullivan: Lake Sammamish,
with all those people there,
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they were telling the public,
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"Please,
send all your photographs
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of the crowds to us, please."
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And they did, and they never
got a photo with him in it.
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They got a photo with what
they believed might be his car.
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McChesney:
The witnesses that we had
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saw Ted leaving with Janice
or with Denise
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and saw him
heading towards this Volkswagen.
330
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Unfortunately, there was
no license plate that we had.
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It was just
a description of a car,
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and there were literally
hundreds of Volkswagen beetles
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in the state of Washington
at the time.
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They were not in good shape.
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Here's what they knew
about the abductor --
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people sitting around Janice,
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they said this guy
identified himself as Ted.
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They had a description,
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from which composite drawings
came forth,
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and they knew this person
drove a Volkswagen.
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We received
literally thousands of tips,
342
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and interestingly,
Ted Bundy was among them.
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Reporter: Police released
a composite drawing
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and description of Ted,
346
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and within weeks,
through an anonymous call,
347
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the name of Tacoma native
Ted Bundy
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was added to a file
of more than 3,000 suspects
349
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being investigated
by the police task force.
350
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Winn: People teased him
at the office and said,
351
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"Say, your name is Ted,
and you've got a Volkswagen,"
352
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and of course, they were
teasing and laughing about it
353
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because he was
the boy next door.
354
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He was handsome.
He was charming.
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He had political aspirations.
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♪♪
357
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Jordan: Ted Bundy had been
in the press before,
358
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but not for anything bad.
359
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It was because he had been
a rising star
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in the local
political community,
361
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and he even made headlines
in 1973
362
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for catching a purse-snatcher.
363
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He also happened to look a lot
like the composite sketch,
364
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and he drove a Volkswagen.
365
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And the similarities were enough
to make his friends wonder.
366
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One of the articles in the paper
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said that he drove
a bronze Volkswagen.
368
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We went to a pay phone,
and I called and asked them,
369
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for sure, it was bronze,
and they said yes.
370
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And that was a relief because
Ted's Volkswagen was tan.
371
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Jordan: Marylynne met Ted
in 1969 at the Sandpiper Inn.
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It was a tavern in Seattle,
373
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and they soon became
fast friends
374
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because he was dating
her best friend, Liz Kendall.
375
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Chino:
We did lots of things together.
376
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There was kind of
the three of us.
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I came and went along
for the ride, you know.
378
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I feel good about myself.
I'm happy with myself.
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And they know
that I didn't do these things.
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♪♪
381
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Ted was born in a home for unwed
mothers in Vermont in 1946.
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Bundy's mother --
she was a single mother,
383
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and shortly after that,
she moved as far away
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as she could,
moved to the west coast.
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She met and married a man
named Johnny Bundy,
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who was a cook
in an Army hospital.
387
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Johnny was very self-effacing
388
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and did not make
a distinct impression.
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Louise did.
390
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Ted looked
exactly like his mother.
391
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Ted being the oldest and,
you might say, my pride and joy,
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our relationship
was always very special.
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A very normal, active boy.
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He did all the things
that most boys like to do.
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Carlisle:
He graduated high school, '65,
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with about a B,
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and he started fall,
University of Puget Sound.
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Chino:
He was smart, and I think --
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and he always got good grades.
400
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We had wonderful discussions.
401
00:20:16,116 --> 00:20:18,096
You know, I loved talking to Ted
402
00:20:18,133 --> 00:20:20,403
because he's great,
talks about politics,
403
00:20:20,433 --> 00:20:24,273
very well-read, very analytical,
all that kind of stuff.
404
00:20:24,300 --> 00:20:26,000
Oh, yeah,
you would have liked him.
405
00:20:26,033 --> 00:20:28,433
He had a Bachelor's degree
in psychology.
406
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He had worked in some campaigns.
407
00:20:32,150 --> 00:20:34,320
People liked him.
408
00:20:34,350 --> 00:20:38,050
He had pretty good street cred
409
00:20:38,083 --> 00:20:39,483
in some
pretty legitimate circles.
410
00:20:40,016 --> 00:20:43,446
Ann Rule, who later
wrote a book about Ted,
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had worked with him
on a suicide-prevention line.
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She was impressed with him.
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Rule: Ted was my partner
at the crisis clinic
414
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for a little over a year,
and I liked him.
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He was so good on the phones.
416
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He'd walk me to my car and say,
"Ann, lock your doors
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because I don't want anything to
happen to you on the way home."
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♪♪
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Lots of people in the political
world thought he had a future.
420
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He'd worked
for governor Dan Evans
421
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in his re-election campaign.
422
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,020
He was a very nice guy,
and like a lot of young people,
423
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you're building a, you know,
a group to go out and campaign
424
00:21:21,383 --> 00:21:24,083
and help
for a variety of things.
425
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And he was one of those people.
426
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Chino:
When Dan Evans was elected,
427
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he and my friend
went to the governor's ball,
428
00:21:30,283 --> 00:21:33,233
and I recall her saying,
"I felt like I was in a dream
429
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because we danced -- you know,
the governor and his wife
430
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danced the first,
and then we danced.
431
00:21:37,133 --> 00:21:39,453
The dream, yeah,
it was wonderful."
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Sullivan: He had
a lot of influential people
433
00:21:41,383 --> 00:21:43,123
that liked him
and believed in him.
434
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He enrolled in the University
of Utah school of law.
435
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He was making a name
for himself.
436
00:21:49,433 --> 00:21:51,003
It can't be.
437
00:21:51,033 --> 00:21:53,203
It can't be our Ted
because we know him.
438
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Reporter:
Ted Bundy, a rising star
439
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in the state Republican Party,
440
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was not considered
a prime suspect.
441
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Those Washington cases
remain open.
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♪♪
443
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Jordan:
By September of 1974,
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the murders in Washington State
had stopped,
445
00:22:12,016 --> 00:22:14,216
but a little over
800 miles away,
446
00:22:14,250 --> 00:22:18,320
near Salt Lake City, Utah,
women began going missing.
447
00:22:18,350 --> 00:22:22,300
And this was very near where
Ted Bundy attended law school.
448
00:22:22,333 --> 00:22:26,023
A highway patrolman saw
the vehicle,
449
00:22:26,050 --> 00:22:28,220
thought it was suspicious.
450
00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:29,430
He searches his car.
451
00:22:29,466 --> 00:22:33,016
He finds a ski mask
and some rope
452
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and an ice pick
and a pair of handcuffs.
453
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Jordan: And it all began
to come together.
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♪♪
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I have the greatest amount
of confidence
456
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that at least
in the preparation stage,
457
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that my ideas will work.
458
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Welcome back to
"How It Really Happened."
459
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I'm Hill Harper.
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In 1975, terror and panic
gripped the nation
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after eight missing women
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had been found brutally murdered
in Washington state.
463
00:23:00,183 --> 00:23:03,023
Detectives had a suspect,
Ted Bundy,
464
00:23:03,050 --> 00:23:05,320
but had no evidence
tying him to the crimes.
465
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Then women began going missing
near Salt Lake City, Utah,
466
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:11,400
close to where Bundy
was attending law school,
467
00:23:11,433 --> 00:23:13,453
and authorities began to wonder,
468
00:23:13,483 --> 00:23:16,183
"Could this be the work
of the same man?"
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♪♪
470
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Here in the west, there are
still unanswered questions
471
00:23:24,466 --> 00:23:26,296
in a number of murder cases.
472
00:23:26,333 --> 00:23:29,483
The unsolved crimes
frustrate police.
473
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Packer:
I was working late at KSL,
474
00:23:32,383 --> 00:23:36,023
and the front desk called up
to the newsroom and said,
475
00:23:36,050 --> 00:23:37,100
"There's a police chief here
476
00:23:37,133 --> 00:23:38,373
that wants
to talk to a reporter."
477
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:44,400
It was Chief Louis Smith
with the Midvale police.
478
00:23:44,433 --> 00:23:48,133
He had a photo with him
and said,
479
00:23:48,166 --> 00:23:50,096
"This is my daughter Melissa,
480
00:23:50,133 --> 00:23:52,273
and I think
she's been abducted."
481
00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:53,300
I want to know
482
00:23:53,333 --> 00:23:55,483
that the young girls
are safe on the street.
483
00:23:56,016 --> 00:23:58,276
I don't want another parent
to go through
484
00:23:58,316 --> 00:24:00,196
what my wife and I
went through.
485
00:24:00,233 --> 00:24:02,173
I don't --
I don't think that's right.
486
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,420
Reporter:
Melissa left her father
487
00:24:03,450 --> 00:24:06,170
on the night
of October 18, 1974,
488
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,470
to meet a friend
at this Midvale restaurant.
489
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,050
They talked for a while,
and then Melissa left --
490
00:24:11,083 --> 00:24:15,253
she said for home,
but she never got there.
491
00:24:15,283 --> 00:24:17,123
Sullivan:
She walked home.
492
00:24:17,150 --> 00:24:20,370
It wasn't well-lighted,
and a lady --
493
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,180
she hears a single scream
pierce the night air.
494
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♪♪
495
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Jordan:
Three weeks later,
496
00:24:27,383 --> 00:24:29,433
Debby Kent went missing
from a school auditorium
497
00:24:29,466 --> 00:24:31,476
when she left
a school play early.
498
00:24:32,016 --> 00:24:34,016
Reporter: Debby was attending
a play with her family
499
00:24:34,050 --> 00:24:38,050
at Viewmont High School on
the night of November 8, 1974.
500
00:24:38,083 --> 00:24:41,183
She left the play early to pick
up her brother at an ice rink.
501
00:24:41,216 --> 00:24:43,266
And the mom said, you know,
"Be careful.
502
00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:47,350
Hurry back, Deb,"
and she got up
503
00:24:47,383 --> 00:24:50,453
and she walked out the doors
on the western side.
504
00:24:50,483 --> 00:24:52,373
Reporter: We're at the Kent home
in Bountiful right now.
505
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,480
What you're looking at
is the porch light
506
00:24:55,016 --> 00:24:56,226
that's been left on for Debby,
507
00:24:56,266 --> 00:24:58,346
a beacon of light,
a symbol of hope.
508
00:24:58,383 --> 00:25:02,183
♪♪
509
00:25:02,216 --> 00:25:05,396
Jordan: By year's end,
four Utah women would be missing
510
00:25:05,433 --> 00:25:07,083
and feared dead,
511
00:25:07,116 --> 00:25:09,246
and just like
in the state of Washington,
512
00:25:09,283 --> 00:25:12,323
detectives were really
just hankering for clues
513
00:25:12,350 --> 00:25:16,000
as to who could be responsible
for all of these missing women.
514
00:25:16,033 --> 00:25:17,453
But then, police caught a break
515
00:25:17,483 --> 00:25:20,273
in the form of a young woman
named Carol DaRonch,
516
00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:23,130
who came to them with
an almost unbelievable story
517
00:25:23,166 --> 00:25:25,416
of escaping the horror
of being kidnapped
518
00:25:25,450 --> 00:25:29,270
by a really good-looking man
who drove a Volkswagen,
519
00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:33,200
and that story would be key
to solving this case.
520
00:25:33,233 --> 00:25:39,403
♪♪
521
00:25:39,433 --> 00:25:43,423
She was at a mall.
He approaches her.
522
00:25:43,450 --> 00:25:46,150
Carlisle: He went up and
he says, "I'm a police officer,
523
00:25:46,183 --> 00:25:48,453
and I think
someone's broken into your car.
524
00:25:48,483 --> 00:25:51,123
Do you have a Camaro?"
525
00:25:51,150 --> 00:25:52,150
And she says yes,
526
00:25:52,183 --> 00:25:54,003
and he says,
"Would you come with me?"
527
00:25:54,033 --> 00:25:57,383
"You can come with me in,
you know, my car."
528
00:25:57,416 --> 00:26:00,016
So she sees this
ratty little Volkswagen.
529
00:26:00,050 --> 00:26:02,420
♪♪
530
00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:05,250
Carlisle:
He gets her in his Volkswagen.
531
00:26:05,283 --> 00:26:09,123
He's driving off,
gets a few blocks away.
532
00:26:09,150 --> 00:26:11,000
Sullivan:
He pulled his Volkswagen over,
533
00:26:11,033 --> 00:26:13,253
and within a second
of having stopped the vehicle,
534
00:26:13,283 --> 00:26:16,083
he attacked her.
535
00:26:16,116 --> 00:26:18,196
Carlisle: He tries
to slap the handcuffs on her.
536
00:26:18,233 --> 00:26:21,053
He had gotten the handcuff
on one arm,
537
00:26:21,083 --> 00:26:24,303
was trying to get the handcuff
on the other wrist,
538
00:26:24,333 --> 00:26:27,003
missed it,
got it on the same arm.
539
00:26:27,033 --> 00:26:28,423
Well, she knew
if she was going to survive
540
00:26:28,450 --> 00:26:30,200
that she had to
get out of that car.
541
00:26:30,233 --> 00:26:31,373
She got out.
542
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,170
He got out of the vehicle,
tried to chase her,
543
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,270
but there were headlights
coming towards them.
544
00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:38,000
He just knew
couldn't stay there.
545
00:26:38,033 --> 00:26:40,283
He got back in his car and left.
546
00:26:40,316 --> 00:26:42,326
Jordan: Carol DaRonch told
her story to the police,
547
00:26:42,366 --> 00:26:47,116
and now they had insight
into the suspect's M.O.
548
00:26:47,150 --> 00:26:49,300
He would try to lure women
into his car,
549
00:26:49,333 --> 00:26:51,433
and they would never
be seen again.
550
00:26:51,466 --> 00:26:53,016
This began to match
551
00:26:53,050 --> 00:26:55,070
what the Washington state police
were hearing,
552
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:57,380
and it all began
to come together.
553
00:26:57,416 --> 00:27:01,276
He was very big on using
the ruse of a helpless person.
554
00:27:01,316 --> 00:27:03,276
At Lake Sammamish,
he had an arm cast.
555
00:27:03,316 --> 00:27:06,316
Carlisle: He said to the girls,
"Could you please come
556
00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:10,130
and help me load a sailboat
on my car?"
557
00:27:10,166 --> 00:27:12,416
Good: Calling them over
to a car for a helping hand,
558
00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:14,400
which you would normally
go ahead and do,
559
00:27:14,433 --> 00:27:16,053
if you were trusting.
560
00:27:16,083 --> 00:27:18,423
Sullivan: At Central
Washington State College,
561
00:27:18,450 --> 00:27:21,130
where he abducted
Susan Rancourt,
562
00:27:21,166 --> 00:27:22,466
he did a similar thing.
563
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000
♪♪
564
00:27:25,033 --> 00:27:28,253
Two young women at Sue's college
565
00:27:28,283 --> 00:27:32,003
had been approached by him
before Sue.
566
00:27:32,033 --> 00:27:36,483
One of the young ladies
carried his books to the car.
567
00:27:52,033 --> 00:27:54,173
♪♪
568
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,320
Carlisle: When he would get them
in his vehicle,
569
00:27:57,350 --> 00:28:02,150
he would try to knock them out
at that point,
570
00:28:02,183 --> 00:28:04,233
then molest them, kill them,
571
00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:08,376
or kill them
and rape them after.
572
00:28:08,416 --> 00:28:12,116
Those people would never,
you know, be seen again.
573
00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:21,020
Sue -- she wasn't out looking
for trouble when she was taken.
574
00:28:21,050 --> 00:28:26,050
He asked for help,
and she would have helped him.
575
00:28:26,083 --> 00:28:28,333
Being helpful was her downfall.
576
00:28:28,366 --> 00:28:31,996
♪♪
577
00:28:32,033 --> 00:28:35,323
Jordan: So now they had an M.O.,
but no person of interest.
578
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:38,470
and it would be the work
of an astute highway patrolman
579
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,320
who would finally bring this
depraved suspect into the light.
580
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:46,150
♪♪
581
00:28:46,183 --> 00:28:50,283
Carlisle: It was late at night,
about 2:00 in the morning,
582
00:28:50,316 --> 00:28:54,446
and he had stopped
at this little residential area.
583
00:28:54,483 --> 00:28:59,453
What happened is
a highway patrolman saw his --
584
00:28:59,483 --> 00:29:03,073
the vehicle,
thought it was suspicious,
585
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:04,450
pulled him over.
586
00:29:04,483 --> 00:29:06,173
Bundy:
It was early in the morning.
587
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,220
I exited my car,
and the officer, Hayward,
588
00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:14,130
had left his car
and approached me.
589
00:29:14,166 --> 00:29:16,316
♪♪
590
00:29:16,350 --> 00:29:18,000
Carlisle:
He searches his car.
591
00:29:18,033 --> 00:29:22,233
He finds a ski mask
and some rope
592
00:29:22,266 --> 00:29:25,426
and an ice pick
and a pair of handcuffs.
593
00:29:25,466 --> 00:29:28,026
They knew that somebody
was out there that was,
594
00:29:28,066 --> 00:29:29,276
you know, driving a Volkswagen,
595
00:29:29,316 --> 00:29:31,196
that this Carol DaRonch
escaped from,
596
00:29:31,233 --> 00:29:33,283
and with the handcuffs,
and said,
597
00:29:33,316 --> 00:29:35,346
"Oh, I have to
check into this guy."
598
00:29:35,383 --> 00:29:38,223
♪♪
599
00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:41,330
Jordan: The man now in custody
was Ted Bundy.
600
00:29:41,366 --> 00:29:45,116
Reporter: In October of '75,
Ted Bundy was identified
601
00:29:45,150 --> 00:29:47,450
in a police lineup
after being arrested
602
00:29:47,483 --> 00:29:50,333
on kidnapping charges
in Salt Lake City.
603
00:29:50,366 --> 00:29:51,426
Winn:
He was a law student.
604
00:29:51,466 --> 00:29:54,146
He was a kind of a rising star,
605
00:29:54,183 --> 00:29:56,483
so the idea
that somebody like this
606
00:29:57,016 --> 00:29:59,466
was the possible perpetrator,
it's impossible.
607
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,250
Munro:
When it was first identified
608
00:30:01,283 --> 00:30:05,053
that it might be Ted Bundy,
it was just total disbelief.
609
00:30:05,083 --> 00:30:08,023
None of us that had any
remote connection with Ted
610
00:30:08,050 --> 00:30:11,270
could possibly believe it,
and yet, as time went by,
611
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:15,020
we realized there was more truth
than there was suspicion.
612
00:30:15,050 --> 00:30:20,270
♪♪
613
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:24,470
Complete and utter shock.
We still don't believe it.
614
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,420
It just can't be.
615
00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:28,480
Our son
is the best son in the world.
616
00:30:29,016 --> 00:30:30,146
I don't like being locked up
for something I didn't do,
617
00:30:30,183 --> 00:30:33,203
and I don't like
my liberty taken away.
618
00:30:33,233 --> 00:30:34,423
Yes, I feel that I'm right,
619
00:30:34,450 --> 00:30:37,480
and yes, I feel I'm going to
make it, no doubt in my mind.
620
00:30:38,016 --> 00:30:40,296
♪♪
621
00:30:42,133 --> 00:30:44,123
I am going to do my best
622
00:30:44,150 --> 00:30:47,370
to keep in touch with friends
and family who have been so kind
623
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,420
and been so good in writing
and praying for me.
624
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:52,370
I'm thankful for that.
625
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,480
♪♪
626
00:30:55,016 --> 00:30:58,116
Jordan: In October of 1975,
Ted Bundy was charged
627
00:30:58,150 --> 00:31:00,450
with the aggravated kidnapping
of Carol DaRonch,
628
00:31:00,483 --> 00:31:03,103
the young woman
he had tried to handcuff
629
00:31:03,133 --> 00:31:04,483
inside of his Volkswagen.
630
00:31:05,016 --> 00:31:07,116
While investigators
were building the case,
631
00:31:07,150 --> 00:31:11,230
Ted's friends and family
were in complete disbelief.
632
00:31:11,266 --> 00:31:16,116
The first reports were when he
was arrested in Salt Lake City.
633
00:31:16,150 --> 00:31:19,170
It was quite a shock
when we realized,
634
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,300
in fact,
it was the same Ted Bundy.
635
00:31:21,333 --> 00:31:24,253
The Ted Bundy we knew
was not a violent person.
636
00:31:24,283 --> 00:31:26,303
♪♪
637
00:31:26,333 --> 00:31:29,433
On the other hand, there were
some people whom we interviewed
638
00:31:29,466 --> 00:31:33,476
who knew Ted
that put all the things together
639
00:31:34,016 --> 00:31:37,116
and said, "You know,
he was one strange duck."
640
00:31:37,150 --> 00:31:39,350
They just thought there was
something odd about him.
641
00:31:39,383 --> 00:31:41,183
Sullivan:
There was a professor.
642
00:31:41,216 --> 00:31:43,246
He called Keppel's people
one day.
643
00:31:43,283 --> 00:31:45,453
He said, "I got a weird guy
in my class.
644
00:31:45,483 --> 00:31:48,453
His name is Ted.
He drives a 1968 Volkswagen.
645
00:31:48,483 --> 00:31:52,053
I think you ought
to check him out."
646
00:31:52,083 --> 00:31:55,003
It wasn't just his behavior
that was seemingly odd.
647
00:31:55,033 --> 00:31:57,183
It was
his ever-changing appearance.
648
00:31:57,216 --> 00:32:00,196
Chino: I remember distinctly
when they did him in a lineup --
649
00:32:00,233 --> 00:32:02,133
and Ted had longer hair, curly.
650
00:32:02,166 --> 00:32:04,016
Well, when he went up
to do the lineup,
651
00:32:04,050 --> 00:32:07,200
he'd cut his hair very short so
he'd look like everybody else.
652
00:32:07,233 --> 00:32:08,423
Winn:
It was not only cut,
653
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:10,330
but it was parted
on the other side,
654
00:32:10,366 --> 00:32:14,166
which would create this kind of
different symmetry of the face.
655
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,230
He looked like a chameleon.
656
00:32:16,266 --> 00:32:20,296
He was very much different
each time somebody saw him.
657
00:32:20,333 --> 00:32:22,433
Chino: I guess when I started
putting things together,
658
00:32:22,466 --> 00:32:25,326
I had spoken to my father
here in Utah
659
00:32:25,366 --> 00:32:28,996
because I was getting worried,
and his words were,
660
00:32:29,033 --> 00:32:31,403
"Marylynne, if he's the one,
he'll do it again."
661
00:32:31,433 --> 00:32:34,133
Winn: Once he was arrested
and his name became associated
662
00:32:34,166 --> 00:32:36,226
and the cops started
speaking to each other,
663
00:32:36,266 --> 00:32:38,016
people by then were convinced
664
00:32:38,050 --> 00:32:40,130
that Bundy had committed
these crimes in Washington.
665
00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:42,346
McChesney: People had reported
that they thought
666
00:32:42,383 --> 00:32:44,153
he looked like the composite.
667
00:32:44,183 --> 00:32:46,083
He had a Volkswagen bug.
668
00:32:46,116 --> 00:32:52,396
He had left the area in 1974,
after Lake Sammamish,
669
00:32:52,433 --> 00:32:55,123
and gone to Utah,
so that was a clue
670
00:32:55,150 --> 00:33:01,080
also because the killings,
abductions, missing-people cases
671
00:33:01,116 --> 00:33:04,996
had stopped around the time
he left the state.
672
00:33:05,033 --> 00:33:07,053
I mean,
he fit all the parameters.
673
00:33:07,083 --> 00:33:09,423
Sullivan: And everybody's scales
fell off their eyes at once,
674
00:33:09,450 --> 00:33:11,450
and it was simply,
"This is the guy.
675
00:33:11,483 --> 00:33:14,033
It's Bundy.
We just now have to prove it."
676
00:33:14,066 --> 00:33:16,396
I am not guilty.
677
00:33:16,433 --> 00:33:18,373
[ Laughs ]
678
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,350
Does that -- does that include
the time
679
00:33:20,383 --> 00:33:23,203
I stole a comic book
when I was 5 years old?
680
00:33:23,233 --> 00:33:27,453
I am not guilty of the charges
which are filed against me.
681
00:33:27,483 --> 00:33:31,303
Despite the fact that he was
a suspect in multiple murders,
682
00:33:31,333 --> 00:33:33,173
Ted was actually legally
683
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,280
just facing one count
of aggravated kidnapping,
684
00:33:36,316 --> 00:33:39,446
and he was given
the possibility of bail.
685
00:33:39,483 --> 00:33:43,103
And he posted bail
and returned to Washington state
686
00:33:43,133 --> 00:33:45,003
before his trial in Utah.
687
00:33:45,033 --> 00:33:48,483
Ted was allowed to come back
for the Christmas holiday.
688
00:33:49,016 --> 00:33:51,266
Ted knew that
people were watching him,
689
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:55,370
and he was infamous,
really, at that point.
690
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,420
His visit put both authorities
691
00:33:57,450 --> 00:34:01,300
and his girlfriend's
best friend, Marylynne, on edge,
692
00:34:01,333 --> 00:34:03,333
especially when Marylynne
found herself
693
00:34:03,366 --> 00:34:05,416
in Ted's company at Liz's house,
694
00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:10,020
and then alone with him
in his car.
695
00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:12,300
Chino: I know by now that
they're investigating him,
696
00:34:12,333 --> 00:34:14,453
and I remember we were over
at her house having dinner.
697
00:34:14,483 --> 00:34:16,303
And I had to go home,
and she said,
698
00:34:16,333 --> 00:34:18,403
"Come on, I'll take you home,"
699
00:34:18,433 --> 00:34:20,173
and Ted jumps in,
"No, let me take her.
700
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,080
Let me take her,"
and he ended up taking me home.
701
00:34:24,116 --> 00:34:25,326
I could have gotten
an Academy Award
702
00:34:25,366 --> 00:34:27,466
for the performance I put in
in that car
703
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,230
because I just talked to him
like things were normal.
704
00:34:30,266 --> 00:34:32,096
I didn't want to be around him.
705
00:34:32,133 --> 00:34:37,303
♪♪
706
00:34:37,333 --> 00:34:40,083
Jordan: In the new year,
Ted returned to Utah
707
00:34:40,116 --> 00:34:41,176
to face the trial
708
00:34:41,216 --> 00:34:43,446
for the aggravated kidnapping
of Carol DaRonch.
709
00:34:43,483 --> 00:34:46,433
A former law student,
he had a lot of confidence,
710
00:34:46,466 --> 00:34:50,016
and he decided he was
going to help defend himself.
711
00:34:50,050 --> 00:34:51,270
Bundy:
Putting yourself in the position
712
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:55,000
of being your own counsel,
it's that positive psychology.
713
00:34:55,033 --> 00:34:56,173
You're going to do it.
714
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,370
You're going to do it
because you're right.
715
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,100
Obviously, I'm going to
bear the consequences,
716
00:35:00,133 --> 00:35:02,233
so why not
bear the responsibility?
717
00:35:02,266 --> 00:35:06,176
I covered the trial
from beginning to end.
718
00:35:06,216 --> 00:35:10,016
They had a good case
against him for the kidnapping,
719
00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:12,000
not a really great case.
720
00:35:12,033 --> 00:35:14,003
There wasn't a lot of evidence.
721
00:35:14,033 --> 00:35:16,333
They found a head hair
of Carol DaRonch in his car.
722
00:35:16,366 --> 00:35:19,196
There was the eyewitness
accounts of Carol.
723
00:35:19,233 --> 00:35:22,123
She was obviously
the key witness in the case,
724
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:24,070
but she wasn't the best witness
725
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:28,080
because her story
was not really consistent.
726
00:35:28,116 --> 00:35:31,316
At one point, she said, "Well,
I don't know if the police badge
727
00:35:31,350 --> 00:35:33,230
that he showed me
was silver or gold."
728
00:35:33,266 --> 00:35:34,446
These are minor details.
729
00:35:34,483 --> 00:35:37,353
She was adamant
that he was the man.
730
00:35:37,383 --> 00:35:39,353
♪♪
731
00:35:39,383 --> 00:35:42,203
This person
is walking towards me
732
00:35:42,233 --> 00:35:44,273
and has a smile on his face.
733
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:47,250
He says, "I'm Ted Bundy."
734
00:35:47,283 --> 00:35:49,023
I noticed a long time ago,
735
00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:52,330
it ceased to be an issue whether
or not I was innocent or guilty.
736
00:35:52,366 --> 00:35:54,996
The issue now is
can we pin it on him?
737
00:35:55,033 --> 00:35:57,283
♪♪
738
00:35:59,116 --> 00:36:02,066
Every citizen
who believes in law and order
739
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:05,470
should spend a couple weeks
there and learn how it works.
740
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,100
Carlisle:
Everybody knew about Ted Bundy.
741
00:36:08,133 --> 00:36:16,053
He had attempted to kidnap
Carol DaRonch, and she got away.
742
00:36:16,083 --> 00:36:18,073
♪♪
743
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:20,220
Jordan:
On March 1, 1976,
744
00:36:20,250 --> 00:36:24,480
Ted Bundy was found guilty
of aggravated kidnapping.
745
00:36:25,016 --> 00:36:26,316
[ Chuckles ]
It's an emotional time.
746
00:36:26,350 --> 00:36:28,350
I don't even like
to think of that day,
747
00:36:28,383 --> 00:36:30,183
but I wasn't going to give them
the satisfaction
748
00:36:30,216 --> 00:36:32,316
of seeing me break down.
749
00:36:32,350 --> 00:36:34,380
Jordan: Ted was then sent
to Utah state prison
750
00:36:34,416 --> 00:36:37,076
for a 90-day
psychiatric evaluation
751
00:36:37,116 --> 00:36:38,276
before his sentencing,
752
00:36:38,316 --> 00:36:40,416
and the psychologist
would be charged with the task
753
00:36:40,450 --> 00:36:42,420
of determining
whether this event
754
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:44,270
was just a one-time thing
755
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:48,230
or whether he was a predator
who should be locked up forever.
756
00:36:48,266 --> 00:36:51,276
♪♪
757
00:36:51,316 --> 00:36:54,026
Carlisle: I was a psychologist
at the prison,
758
00:36:54,066 --> 00:36:56,276
and this person
is walking towards me
759
00:36:56,316 --> 00:36:58,426
and a smile on his face,
760
00:36:58,466 --> 00:37:03,126
and he extends out his hand
and he says, "I'm Ted Bundy.
761
00:37:03,166 --> 00:37:06,366
You must be Dr. Carlisle."
762
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,250
He had the ability to make
a very good impression.
763
00:37:10,283 --> 00:37:13,033
He looked good. He smiled.
764
00:37:13,066 --> 00:37:16,076
He seemed confident.
765
00:37:16,116 --> 00:37:17,346
He seemed happy.
766
00:37:17,383 --> 00:37:21,253
He gave me the Ted Bundy
he wanted me to know.
767
00:37:21,283 --> 00:37:23,003
Jordan:
Over the next 90 days,
768
00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:25,333
Dr. Carlisle
would delve into Ted's psyche
769
00:37:25,366 --> 00:37:28,016
by trying to cover
every aspect of his life,
770
00:37:28,050 --> 00:37:32,270
from his early childhood
up into his teenage years,
771
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:36,170
when he became a prolific
consumer of pornography.
772
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,250
♪♪
773
00:37:38,283 --> 00:37:44,473
Ted is lonely,
and he's just not fitting in.
774
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,330
He would just sort of withdraw,
775
00:37:47,366 --> 00:37:51,396
and being lonely
and not fitting in,
776
00:37:51,433 --> 00:37:54,303
you have to get
your satisfaction somewhere.
777
00:37:54,333 --> 00:37:57,203
He withdrew into
a quiet fantasy life,
778
00:37:57,233 --> 00:38:02,073
but then, his behavior
would begin to escalate.
779
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:04,180
Carlisle:
He was getting interested
780
00:38:04,216 --> 00:38:06,296
in window-peeking
and pornography,
781
00:38:06,333 --> 00:38:10,433
and he's feeling a sense
of control, a sense of power.
782
00:38:10,466 --> 00:38:13,246
So they rely upon it
more and more and more.
783
00:38:13,283 --> 00:38:16,123
♪♪
784
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:18,150
Dr. Carlisle focused a lot
785
00:38:18,183 --> 00:38:20,183
on Ted's relationships
with women,
786
00:38:20,216 --> 00:38:22,146
but one woman in particular.
787
00:38:22,183 --> 00:38:25,353
Her name was Marjorie,
and she, by all accounts,
788
00:38:25,383 --> 00:38:27,483
was Ted's dream girl.
789
00:38:28,016 --> 00:38:29,446
She was very intelligent.
790
00:38:29,483 --> 00:38:32,073
She was outgoing.
791
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:37,050
She had worked part-time
as a model,
792
00:38:37,083 --> 00:38:41,173
and her father
was vice president
793
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,050
of an international company.
794
00:38:44,083 --> 00:38:47,323
So this was
everything he wanted.
795
00:38:47,350 --> 00:38:49,250
She had money. She had prestige.
796
00:38:49,283 --> 00:38:51,273
Ted felt like he'd been,
you know,
797
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:56,280
left outside of that circle
of privilege and pursued her.
798
00:38:56,316 --> 00:38:59,196
Carlisle: They'd communicate
back and forth,
799
00:38:59,233 --> 00:39:03,253
and then she told him,
"I just want to be friends."
800
00:39:03,283 --> 00:39:05,173
A lot of experts believe
801
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,450
that Ted Bundy
had a huge issue with rejection,
802
00:39:08,483 --> 00:39:12,333
and that that rejection,
the breakup with Marjorie,
803
00:39:12,366 --> 00:39:15,476
was a watershed event
that he would never get over.
804
00:39:16,016 --> 00:39:17,346
He's very disappointed.
805
00:39:17,383 --> 00:39:22,133
It's as though Marge
was the last-ditch attempt
806
00:39:22,166 --> 00:39:24,426
to get control
over his wild life,
807
00:39:24,466 --> 00:39:29,016
and so the dark side
then just sort of shifts in.
808
00:39:29,050 --> 00:39:31,080
Based on all the evidence
that Dr. Carlisle
809
00:39:31,116 --> 00:39:33,216
was able to gather
from his interviews with Ted
810
00:39:33,250 --> 00:39:35,200
and all of his friends
and family,
811
00:39:35,233 --> 00:39:38,253
he came to the conclusion
that Ted Bundy was, indeed,
812
00:39:38,283 --> 00:39:40,033
a very violent man
813
00:39:40,066 --> 00:39:42,326
and that he was
most likely responsible
814
00:39:42,366 --> 00:39:46,996
for all of these crimes that
he was being considered for.
815
00:39:47,033 --> 00:39:50,183
Carlisle: After we finished,
he says, "Al, do you think
816
00:39:50,216 --> 00:39:55,426
I really killed those girls
that they claim I did?"
817
00:39:55,466 --> 00:40:01,226
And part of me wanted to say,
"Yes, I have no doubt about it,"
818
00:40:01,266 --> 00:40:04,346
but what I said was,
"I don't know for sure,
819
00:40:04,383 --> 00:40:10,153
but I think if you did,
you'll likely do it again."
820
00:40:10,183 --> 00:40:12,273
And at that point,
he didn't say anything.
821
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:16,270
He just walked off down
the hall, went back to his cell.
822
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:22,430
♪♪
823
00:40:22,466 --> 00:40:25,026
As each day went on,
824
00:40:25,066 --> 00:40:27,226
there was more information
that came in about Ted.
825
00:40:27,266 --> 00:40:30,276
Reporter: Eyewitness reports
fitted with Bundy's description.
826
00:40:30,316 --> 00:40:33,266
There was also physical evidence
in Bundy's car.
827
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:36,420
Packer:
They had seized the Volkswagen
828
00:40:36,450 --> 00:40:40,170
and vacuumed the inside
for evidence.
829
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:45,320
There were, I believe,
pubic hair of other women,
830
00:40:45,350 --> 00:40:49,030
young women, in the car,
which would have been the first
831
00:40:49,066 --> 00:40:52,126
really strong
sort of smoking-gun link
832
00:40:52,166 --> 00:40:54,376
to link him
to these other killings.
833
00:40:54,416 --> 00:40:56,366
Ted's not the person
we thought he was.
834
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,420
They've got real evidence
against him.
835
00:40:58,450 --> 00:41:03,100
Being in prison,
going through a kind of hell,
836
00:41:03,133 --> 00:41:04,233
matures a person, and I --
837
00:41:04,266 --> 00:41:08,016
and I think
it's done good things for me.
838
00:41:08,050 --> 00:41:11,330
My only misgiving is
that I might never be --
839
00:41:11,366 --> 00:41:14,066
might never be in a position
to apply it,
840
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:19,030
you know, on the streets,
where I'd like to apply it.
841
00:41:19,066 --> 00:41:21,066
He was looking for
avenues of escape.
842
00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:23,030
Reporter: Bundy,
who had been awaiting trial,
843
00:41:23,066 --> 00:41:25,296
escaped on December 31, 1977.
844
00:41:25,333 --> 00:41:26,433
Jordan:
Ted Bundy was gone,
845
00:41:26,466 --> 00:41:29,116
and the authorities
did not know where he went.
846
00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:30,330
Reporter:
Roadblocks were set up
847
00:41:30,366 --> 00:41:32,416
within 15 minutes
of Bundy's escape.
848
00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:36,300
So far, these road blocks have
turned up no sign of Ted Bundy.
849
00:41:36,333 --> 00:41:40,353
Theodore Bundy is now one of
the FBI's most wanted men.
850
00:41:40,383 --> 00:41:44,083
♪♪
851
00:41:44,116 --> 00:41:47,246
After being convicted
of aggravated kidnapping,
852
00:41:47,283 --> 00:41:51,423
Ted Bundy was sentenced to
5 to 15 years in a Utah prison,
853
00:41:51,450 --> 00:41:54,320
but he wouldn't remain
behind bars for very long.
854
00:41:54,350 --> 00:41:58,120
His story and his reign
of terror were far from over,
855
00:41:58,150 --> 00:42:01,050
next time on
"How It Really Happened."
856
00:42:01,083 --> 00:42:02,323
I'm Hill Harper.
857
00:42:02,350 --> 00:42:05,270
Thanks for watching.
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