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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,183 --> 00:00:06,023 ♪♪ 2 00:00:06,050 --> 00:00:08,420 What overview is the biggest misconception 3 00:00:08,450 --> 00:00:11,020 do you think people have about you? 4 00:00:11,050 --> 00:00:12,080 [ Inhales deeply ] 5 00:00:12,116 --> 00:00:15,316 Probably that I went to Washington 6 00:00:15,350 --> 00:00:18,470 with an agenda to seduce the president 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,270 and then expose that relationship 8 00:00:21,300 --> 00:00:23,120 so I could become famous. 9 00:00:23,150 --> 00:00:26,220 I had really gone to Washington 10 00:00:26,250 --> 00:00:28,100 as a short pit stop 11 00:00:28,133 --> 00:00:29,473 on my way to graduate school. 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,450 And you wanted to be a what? 13 00:00:31,483 --> 00:00:33,303 Forensic psychologist. 14 00:00:33,333 --> 00:00:35,023 Ironically, 15 00:00:35,050 --> 00:00:37,170 thought I might go into criminology 16 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,230 and work at the FBI, but I -- 17 00:00:41,266 --> 00:00:43,376 You could've investigated yourself. [ Laughs ] 18 00:00:43,416 --> 00:00:45,076 Yeah. 19 00:00:45,116 --> 00:00:51,416 ♪♪ 20 00:00:51,450 --> 00:00:58,250 ♪♪ 21 00:00:58,283 --> 00:01:00,083 Welcome to "How It Really Happened." 22 00:01:00,116 --> 00:01:01,376 I'm Hill Harper. 23 00:01:01,416 --> 00:01:05,246 In 1995, 21-year-old White House intern Monica Lewinsky 24 00:01:05,283 --> 00:01:08,053 and President Bill Clinton began an affair -- 25 00:01:08,083 --> 00:01:10,133 secret rendezvous in the Oval Office, 26 00:01:10,166 --> 00:01:11,346 saucy phone calls, 27 00:01:11,383 --> 00:01:14,103 and a certain dark blue dress 28 00:01:14,133 --> 00:01:17,133 all kept under wraps until Lewinsky confided 29 00:01:17,166 --> 00:01:19,216 in a woman she thought was a friend, 30 00:01:19,250 --> 00:01:21,020 Linda Tripp. 31 00:01:21,050 --> 00:01:22,270 Tonight, Part 2 32 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:24,420 of our look back at the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, 33 00:01:24,450 --> 00:01:27,120 the 13 months that crippled Washington 34 00:01:27,150 --> 00:01:31,030 all beginning on Wednesday, January 21, 1998, 35 00:01:31,066 --> 00:01:33,346 when the country woke up to the shocking news. 36 00:01:33,383 --> 00:01:36,173 Here's how it really happened. 37 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:41,270 ♪♪ 38 00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:45,370 The allegations are false, 39 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,400 and I would never ask anybody 40 00:01:48,433 --> 00:01:50,373 to do anything other than tell the truth. 41 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,030 We will give you as many answers as we can as soon as we can 42 00:01:54,066 --> 00:01:56,416 at the appropriate time consistent with our obligation 43 00:01:56,450 --> 00:01:59,000 to also cooperate with the investigations. 44 00:01:59,033 --> 00:02:01,253 Troubling allegations here at the White House this morning 45 00:02:01,283 --> 00:02:03,083 about the president's personal conduct 46 00:02:03,116 --> 00:02:04,246 inside the White House. 47 00:02:04,283 --> 00:02:07,003 My initial reaction? Are you kidding? 48 00:02:07,033 --> 00:02:08,073 How could anybody be that stupid? 49 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:09,480 He's accused of doing what? 50 00:02:10,016 --> 00:02:11,146 CNN has confirmed that 51 00:02:11,183 --> 00:02:13,223 Whitewater Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr 52 00:02:13,250 --> 00:02:16,300 will now investigate whether Mr. Clinton had an affair 53 00:02:16,333 --> 00:02:18,233 with a former White House intern 54 00:02:18,266 --> 00:02:20,416 and encouraged the young woman to lie about it. 55 00:02:20,450 --> 00:02:22,020 When the story broke, 56 00:02:22,050 --> 00:02:25,330 we went from zero to 100 miles an hour, 57 00:02:25,366 --> 00:02:27,326 it felt like, in a nanosecond. 58 00:02:27,366 --> 00:02:29,116 -Mike! -Mike! 59 00:02:29,150 --> 00:02:30,400 Goldberg: You're always looking for something 60 00:02:30,433 --> 00:02:32,133 that's never happened before. 61 00:02:32,166 --> 00:02:35,216 This had never happened before. 62 00:02:35,250 --> 00:02:37,330 Bombshell allegations rocked the White House -- 63 00:02:37,366 --> 00:02:41,166 charges of sex, lies, and audio tapes. 64 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,230 Morris: Those of us who were close to Bill Clinton 65 00:02:43,266 --> 00:02:45,166 knew that he saw other women, 66 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,120 but for him to be carrying on in the White House 67 00:02:48,150 --> 00:02:52,250 with a woman this young was just shocking. 68 00:02:57,183 --> 00:03:01,003 Sesno: Linda Tripp, at first, befriended Monica Lewinsky 69 00:03:01,033 --> 00:03:04,303 and ultimately turned on her, unbeknownst to Lewinsky. 70 00:03:11,350 --> 00:03:13,470 Linda starts recording their phone calls, 71 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,430 and these phone calls go on and on. 72 00:03:28,183 --> 00:03:31,383 Sesno: To have Monica Lewinsky's voice saying these things, 73 00:03:31,416 --> 00:03:33,296 it was incontrovertible evidence. 74 00:03:33,333 --> 00:03:35,253 What began as a search for evidence 75 00:03:35,283 --> 00:03:37,423 in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case 76 00:03:37,450 --> 00:03:40,000 has mushroomed into another investigation 77 00:03:40,033 --> 00:03:42,203 of the president and his personal conduct. 78 00:03:42,233 --> 00:03:47,283 The broader political culture was inching towards this moment. 79 00:03:47,316 --> 00:03:50,016 The accusations against Clarence Thomas, 80 00:03:50,050 --> 00:03:53,180 the situation that drove Gary Hart out 81 00:03:53,216 --> 00:03:55,046 of the presidential campaign, 82 00:03:55,083 --> 00:03:57,483 all of that was prologue 83 00:03:58,016 --> 00:04:01,076 that really did set the stage 84 00:04:01,116 --> 00:04:04,176 for the Lewinsky cataclysm. 85 00:04:04,216 --> 00:04:08,216 We weren't quite sure how it was going to play out politically, 86 00:04:08,250 --> 00:04:10,200 but we knew we were in for a ride. 87 00:04:10,233 --> 00:04:13,073 What word is best used to describe 88 00:04:13,100 --> 00:04:15,380 the atmosphere inside the White House 89 00:04:15,416 --> 00:04:17,426 as it pertains to what's going on? 90 00:04:17,466 --> 00:04:20,096 One aide here joked with me earlier today. 91 00:04:20,133 --> 00:04:22,203 He said, "Hey, I'm sleeping like a baby. 92 00:04:22,233 --> 00:04:24,453 I wake up every two hours, and I cry." 93 00:04:24,483 --> 00:04:28,053 Larry: When you first saw your name mentioned, 94 00:04:28,083 --> 00:04:30,233 do you remember your first reaction? 95 00:04:30,266 --> 00:04:35,026 How'd you handle that? 96 00:04:35,066 --> 00:04:36,396 I don't know that I did handle it. 97 00:04:36,433 --> 00:04:39,183 I mean, I -- I -- 98 00:04:39,216 --> 00:04:40,296 I cried a lot. 99 00:04:40,333 --> 00:04:42,403 I freaked out a lot. 100 00:04:42,433 --> 00:04:44,423 I mean, it was just -- 101 00:04:44,450 --> 00:04:46,120 It was scary. 102 00:04:46,150 --> 00:04:50,070 Andersen: When the scandal went public, she was devastated, 103 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:51,180 and at one point, actually, 104 00:04:51,216 --> 00:04:53,276 she said she considered taking her own life. 105 00:04:53,316 --> 00:04:56,026 What was that like, by the way, during the hectic days 106 00:04:56,066 --> 00:04:57,176 when you would go out in the street? 107 00:04:57,216 --> 00:04:59,146 It -- It was so -- You couldn't go out, right? 108 00:04:59,183 --> 00:05:00,203 Oh, no. 109 00:05:00,233 --> 00:05:03,303 [ Indistinct shouting ] 110 00:05:03,333 --> 00:05:05,053 -Hey, get back. -Can't anybody get a picture? 111 00:05:05,083 --> 00:05:07,053 Borger: She was just a young kid, 112 00:05:07,083 --> 00:05:08,273 just a young girl, 113 00:05:08,300 --> 00:05:13,050 and I'm sure it was a horrific event 114 00:05:13,083 --> 00:05:14,153 for her to go through. 115 00:05:14,183 --> 00:05:15,403 I can't imagine. 116 00:05:15,433 --> 00:05:17,083 Lewinsky: I was completely devastated. 117 00:05:17,116 --> 00:05:18,376 I mean, can you imagine 118 00:05:18,416 --> 00:05:20,426 the kind of guilt that you would feel? 119 00:05:20,466 --> 00:05:24,366 She was more concerned about him than about herself. 120 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,380 Blitzer: Even those presidential aides concede 121 00:05:26,416 --> 00:05:29,416 that this crisis is of such a scale that, 122 00:05:29,450 --> 00:05:31,280 unless quickly resolved, 123 00:05:31,316 --> 00:05:34,376 it could undermine Mr. Clinton's ability to govern. 124 00:05:34,416 --> 00:05:37,316 ♪♪ 125 00:05:37,350 --> 00:05:41,120 It's clear that the president's whole manner and demeanor 126 00:05:41,150 --> 00:05:43,080 was quite different. 127 00:05:43,116 --> 00:05:44,366 He seemed stunned. 128 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,350 He seemed set back. 129 00:05:46,383 --> 00:05:48,473 It was about noon, and my pager went off, 130 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,400 and it was the president, so I called, 131 00:05:51,433 --> 00:05:54,003 and he said, "Have you seen the morning paper?" 132 00:05:54,033 --> 00:05:55,153 And I said, "Yeah." 133 00:05:55,183 --> 00:05:58,173 He said, "Ever since I've come here to the White House, 134 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,350 I've had to shut my body down sexually, I mean, 135 00:06:01,383 --> 00:06:04,073 but I screwed up with this girl. 136 00:06:04,100 --> 00:06:05,400 I didn't do what they said I did, 137 00:06:05,433 --> 00:06:09,383 but I think I went so far that I can't prove my innocence." 138 00:06:09,416 --> 00:06:13,046 I then said, "Well, you have to be careful, sir, 139 00:06:13,083 --> 00:06:15,403 because it's the cover-up that'll get you in trouble, 140 00:06:15,433 --> 00:06:17,283 not the initial deed. 141 00:06:17,316 --> 00:06:20,266 Remember, Nixon was impeached for covering up Watergate, 142 00:06:20,300 --> 00:06:22,280 not for the original burglary." 143 00:06:22,316 --> 00:06:28,116 Clinton figures unless they could prove he lied, 144 00:06:28,150 --> 00:06:30,130 people would probably forgive him, 145 00:06:30,166 --> 00:06:32,426 and he'd be able to survive. 146 00:06:32,466 --> 00:06:35,296 President Clinton's strategy here goes against everything 147 00:06:35,333 --> 00:06:38,483 that anyone ever says about a crisis. 148 00:06:39,016 --> 00:06:40,196 Morris: The White House strategy for dealing 149 00:06:40,233 --> 00:06:43,103 with personal scandals was very important, 150 00:06:43,133 --> 00:06:45,323 and Monica Lewinsky was only the latest 151 00:06:45,350 --> 00:06:48,320 in a long string of these scandals. 152 00:06:48,350 --> 00:06:52,350 ♪♪ 153 00:06:52,383 --> 00:06:54,103 Franken: When he first ran for office, 154 00:06:54,133 --> 00:06:55,223 those in the women's movement 155 00:06:55,250 --> 00:06:58,100 considered the Republicans to be way out there, 156 00:06:58,133 --> 00:07:00,153 so Bill Clinton made it a point 157 00:07:00,183 --> 00:07:02,423 to include his wife, Hillary Clinton, 158 00:07:02,450 --> 00:07:06,080 saying to the world that it's a package deal. 159 00:07:06,116 --> 00:07:08,096 Solis Doyle: Hillary was the personification 160 00:07:08,133 --> 00:07:10,033 of Bill Clinton's stance on women. 161 00:07:10,066 --> 00:07:12,446 He was about empowering women, and he married one. 162 00:07:12,483 --> 00:07:14,253 Democratic presidential candidate 163 00:07:14,283 --> 00:07:17,133 Bill Clinton is denying allegations 164 00:07:17,166 --> 00:07:19,076 he carried on an extramarital affair 165 00:07:19,116 --> 00:07:21,376 with a former nightclub singer. 166 00:07:21,416 --> 00:07:26,316 Yes, I was Bill Clinton's lover for 12 years, 167 00:07:26,350 --> 00:07:28,420 and for the past two years, I have lied to the press 168 00:07:28,450 --> 00:07:31,350 about our relationship to protect him. 169 00:07:31,383 --> 00:07:33,133 The truth is... 170 00:07:33,166 --> 00:07:36,026 I loved him. 171 00:07:36,066 --> 00:07:38,266 Solis Doyle: The Gennifer Flowers episode 172 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:42,080 was truly the one that hit us the hardest. 173 00:07:42,116 --> 00:07:44,016 King: You can go back to that moment. 174 00:07:44,050 --> 00:07:45,180 That is your playbook 175 00:07:45,216 --> 00:07:48,066 for Clinton's response to crisis. 176 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:49,150 Hit back hard 177 00:07:49,183 --> 00:07:51,483 to cast up a lot of doubt and confuse people. 178 00:07:52,016 --> 00:07:56,016 We had a conference call in the campaign manager's office, 179 00:07:56,050 --> 00:07:58,280 and they told us, "We're going to fight it," 180 00:07:58,316 --> 00:08:00,216 and so we fought it. 181 00:08:00,250 --> 00:08:03,050 Franken: Obviously, his campaign was on the line, 182 00:08:03,083 --> 00:08:05,203 and so they agreed to do 183 00:08:05,233 --> 00:08:07,323 a "60 Minutes" interview. 184 00:08:07,350 --> 00:08:08,450 She's alleging 185 00:08:08,483 --> 00:08:12,473 and has described in some detail in a supermarket tabloid 186 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,180 what she calls a 12-year affair with you. 187 00:08:16,216 --> 00:08:18,176 It -- That allegation is false. 188 00:08:18,216 --> 00:08:20,196 They walked right up to the line. 189 00:08:20,233 --> 00:08:21,473 "We have had problems in our marriage. 190 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,430 I think the American people know what we're talking about. 191 00:08:24,466 --> 00:08:26,996 We're not going to get into the details," 192 00:08:27,033 --> 00:08:29,173 and then the most powerful part of all -- 193 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,150 I'm not sitting here as some little woman 194 00:08:31,183 --> 00:08:33,433 standing by my man, like Tammy Wynette. 195 00:08:33,466 --> 00:08:36,146 I'm sitting here because I love him, 196 00:08:36,183 --> 00:08:37,333 and I respect him, 197 00:08:37,366 --> 00:08:39,176 and I honor what he's been through 198 00:08:39,216 --> 00:08:41,126 and what we've been through together. 199 00:08:41,166 --> 00:08:42,996 It was -- It was just a trademark, 200 00:08:43,033 --> 00:08:44,153 stellar, you know, 201 00:08:44,183 --> 00:08:46,053 historic moment in American politics. 202 00:08:46,083 --> 00:08:48,033 If it weren't for that interview, 203 00:08:48,066 --> 00:08:50,146 I don't think he would have survived 204 00:08:50,183 --> 00:08:52,483 much less won the nomination. 205 00:08:53,016 --> 00:08:55,076 Andersen: Clearly, the Gennifer Flowers Scandal 206 00:08:55,116 --> 00:08:57,326 was a sign of things to come, unfortunately, 207 00:08:57,366 --> 00:09:00,416 for the Clintons and the country. 208 00:09:00,450 --> 00:09:01,470 There was a general agreement 209 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,270 that he should basically come out fighting, 210 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:05,430 and that's what they did. 211 00:09:05,466 --> 00:09:07,026 I want you to listen to me. 212 00:09:07,066 --> 00:09:08,196 I'm going to say this again. 213 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,400 Larry: Were you shocked when you heard about Monica? 214 00:09:15,433 --> 00:09:19,003 Yeah, and I was glad, too, because I was thinking, 215 00:09:19,033 --> 00:09:21,003 "Well, good, this is gonna, you know, show people 216 00:09:21,033 --> 00:09:22,103 that I'm not just making this up, 217 00:09:22,133 --> 00:09:23,273 and it's still happening right now 218 00:09:23,300 --> 00:09:25,020 even in the Oval Office, 219 00:09:25,050 --> 00:09:26,370 our house, the people's house." 220 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,230 Explosive accusations are flying around Washington today, 221 00:09:30,266 --> 00:09:33,076 and the president is reportedly outraged. 222 00:09:33,116 --> 00:09:35,046 ♪♪ 223 00:09:35,083 --> 00:09:37,383 Sesno: The remarkable thing was, that on the day the news broke, 224 00:09:37,416 --> 00:09:39,416 the president had scheduled interviews, 225 00:09:39,450 --> 00:09:42,130 and one of them was with Jim Lehrer of PBS. 226 00:09:42,166 --> 00:09:43,466 Of course, we all thought 227 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,370 the White House would pull the plug on it. 228 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,480 No, the president wanted to go forth. 229 00:09:48,016 --> 00:09:49,996 Lehrer: Kenneth Starr, Independent Counsel, 230 00:09:50,033 --> 00:09:54,153 is investigating allegations that you suborn perjury 231 00:09:54,183 --> 00:09:57,123 by encouraging a 24-year-old woman, 232 00:09:57,150 --> 00:10:00,250 former White House intern, to lie under oath 233 00:10:00,283 --> 00:10:02,203 in a civil deposition 234 00:10:02,233 --> 00:10:04,433 about her having had an affair with you. 235 00:10:04,466 --> 00:10:06,046 Mr. President, is that true? 236 00:10:06,083 --> 00:10:07,403 That is not true. 237 00:10:07,433 --> 00:10:09,273 That is not true. 238 00:10:09,300 --> 00:10:11,130 I did not ask anyone to tell anything 239 00:10:11,166 --> 00:10:12,346 other than the truth. 240 00:10:12,383 --> 00:10:15,423 There is no improper relationship. 241 00:10:15,450 --> 00:10:19,480 Isikoff: He says there is no sexual relationship, 242 00:10:20,016 --> 00:10:24,076 which the tense a lot of people seized on. 243 00:10:24,116 --> 00:10:26,276 There's no sexual relationship now, 244 00:10:26,316 --> 00:10:28,446 but what about before? 245 00:10:28,483 --> 00:10:31,423 The guy is, how shall I say it, quite the wordsmith. 246 00:10:31,450 --> 00:10:34,080 The Jim Lehrer moment was instructive to me. 247 00:10:34,116 --> 00:10:36,026 What I'm trying to do... 248 00:10:36,066 --> 00:10:39,116 is to contain my natural impulses 249 00:10:39,150 --> 00:10:40,200 and get back to work. 250 00:10:40,233 --> 00:10:43,303 If you look at the interview and watch it, 251 00:10:43,333 --> 00:10:45,033 how uncomfortable he was. 252 00:10:45,066 --> 00:10:46,126 He kept looking down. 253 00:10:46,166 --> 00:10:48,126 Bill Clinton is an eye-contact guy. 254 00:10:48,166 --> 00:10:49,376 It freaked me out. 255 00:10:49,416 --> 00:10:51,266 It's just like, "There's something wrong." 256 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:53,150 Andersen: Bill consulted his friend, 257 00:10:53,183 --> 00:10:55,123 the Hollywood producer, Harry Thomason, 258 00:10:55,150 --> 00:10:57,050 and Thomason was honest with him, 259 00:10:57,083 --> 00:10:58,483 and he said, "Look, that was pretty mealymouthed, 260 00:10:59,016 --> 00:11:00,466 and you really should come out swinging," 261 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,370 and five days later, 262 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,100 that's exactly what the president did. 263 00:11:06,133 --> 00:11:08,003 Hillary: Welcome to the White House. 264 00:11:08,033 --> 00:11:10,253 It is a pleasure to have all of you 265 00:11:10,283 --> 00:11:12,403 join the president and the vice president. 266 00:11:12,433 --> 00:11:14,153 King: So the following Monday, 267 00:11:14,183 --> 00:11:16,153 the president has one of his events in the White House. 268 00:11:16,183 --> 00:11:17,453 This one was about education. 269 00:11:17,483 --> 00:11:20,303 This is a cookie-cutter White House event. 270 00:11:20,333 --> 00:11:21,373 Thank you very much. Thank you. 271 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,230 Please be seated. 272 00:11:23,266 --> 00:11:25,376 I was the network pool reporter. 273 00:11:25,416 --> 00:11:27,446 In fact, I was the only TV reporter 274 00:11:27,483 --> 00:11:29,433 in the room that day. 275 00:11:29,466 --> 00:11:31,246 This has been the most important year 276 00:11:31,283 --> 00:11:33,473 in a generation for education reform. 277 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,320 So everybody is there. 278 00:11:35,350 --> 00:11:38,100 Microphones, cameras are rolling. 279 00:11:38,133 --> 00:11:41,203 Hillary is standing right next to him. 280 00:11:41,233 --> 00:11:44,323 Now, I have to go back to work on my State of the Union speech, 281 00:11:44,350 --> 00:11:47,080 and I worked on it till pretty late last night. 282 00:11:47,116 --> 00:11:49,246 He draws his line in the sand. 283 00:11:49,283 --> 00:11:53,003 But I want to say one thing to the American people. 284 00:11:53,033 --> 00:11:56,373 I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. 285 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,070 I did not have sexual relations 286 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:02,470 with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky. 287 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,320 As he was saying that, he was looking right in my eyes 288 00:12:05,350 --> 00:12:09,250 because I was right next to the camera. 289 00:12:09,283 --> 00:12:13,483 I never told anybody to lie not a single time, never. 290 00:12:14,016 --> 00:12:17,346 I hollered back at the TV set, and I said, "What are you doing? 291 00:12:17,383 --> 00:12:20,233 You're putting your neck in a noose on this thing." 292 00:12:20,266 --> 00:12:23,076 These allegations are false, 293 00:12:23,116 --> 00:12:27,296 and I need to go back to work for the American people. 294 00:12:27,333 --> 00:12:29,153 That became one of the great moments 295 00:12:29,183 --> 00:12:30,383 in television history. 296 00:12:30,416 --> 00:12:33,346 I said, "That's it. The guy is hosed. 297 00:12:33,383 --> 00:12:35,203 H-He's done for. 298 00:12:35,233 --> 00:12:37,033 That's it. It's over." 299 00:12:37,066 --> 00:12:40,096 Because how in the heck is he going to get out of this one? 300 00:12:40,133 --> 00:12:44,053 When you point your finger at the American people, 301 00:12:44,083 --> 00:12:47,023 you better be telling the truth. 302 00:12:47,050 --> 00:12:48,020 You better be. 303 00:12:48,050 --> 00:12:50,130 It probably wasn't exactly what 304 00:12:50,166 --> 00:12:51,166 I would have recommended, 305 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,480 given the facts. 306 00:12:53,016 --> 00:12:54,166 When he made that statement, by the way, 307 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,430 how did you feel -- that famous... Right. 308 00:12:56,466 --> 00:12:59,326 ..."I have never"? Well, I -- I -- 309 00:12:59,366 --> 00:13:03,016 I certainly didn't want him to lose his job and -- 310 00:13:03,050 --> 00:13:05,300 But there was also certainly a part of me that was hurt. 311 00:13:05,333 --> 00:13:09,473 I did not have sexual relations with that woman. 312 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,080 With that emphasis and that anger and -- 313 00:13:12,116 --> 00:13:15,416 and that emotion, must -- 314 00:13:15,450 --> 00:13:18,130 He must be telling the truth, right? 315 00:13:18,166 --> 00:13:21,076 ♪♪ 316 00:13:21,116 --> 00:13:22,466 President Clinton's denial today 317 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,070 of the charges threatening his presidency 318 00:13:25,100 --> 00:13:27,200 is the strongest we've heard from him. 319 00:13:27,233 --> 00:13:31,253 Blitzer: It sounded like, you know, it was over, 320 00:13:31,283 --> 00:13:33,073 but we all know it wasn't over. 321 00:13:33,100 --> 00:13:36,370 The whole defense really shifted in a very smart way, 322 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,020 and it shifted largely by Hillary Clinton. 323 00:13:40,050 --> 00:13:41,300 ♪♪ 324 00:13:41,333 --> 00:13:44,183 Andersen: The day after the president's denial, 325 00:13:44,216 --> 00:13:46,076 Hillary went on "The Today Show." 326 00:13:46,116 --> 00:13:47,426 Morning. Morning. 327 00:13:47,466 --> 00:13:50,026 Solis Doyle: We couldn't cancel the interview 328 00:13:50,066 --> 00:13:52,426 because it would seem like we were hiding something, 329 00:13:52,466 --> 00:13:55,266 and it would give credence to the story. 330 00:13:55,300 --> 00:13:57,470 And she wasn't going to concede an inch. 331 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,300 Her intuition is always to fight -- 332 00:13:59,333 --> 00:14:01,083 fight, fight, fight, fight, fight. 333 00:14:01,116 --> 00:14:04,426 The great story here for anybody willing to find it 334 00:14:04,466 --> 00:14:07,026 and write about it and explain it is 335 00:14:07,066 --> 00:14:09,076 this vast right-wing conspiracy 336 00:14:09,116 --> 00:14:11,416 that has been conspiring against my husband 337 00:14:11,450 --> 00:14:14,130 since the day he announced for president. 338 00:14:14,166 --> 00:14:18,146 When she first uttered the words right-wing conspiracy, 339 00:14:18,183 --> 00:14:22,473 it was as if Hillary Clinton kind of reset the storyline, 340 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,270 and she reset it 341 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:29,000 from the tawdry Monica Lewinsky affair 342 00:14:29,033 --> 00:14:33,433 to, "These people are out to get my husband." 343 00:14:33,466 --> 00:14:36,096 I really didn't have a lot of trouble 344 00:14:36,133 --> 00:14:38,053 believing that this was one more 345 00:14:38,083 --> 00:14:40,283 in a long series of accusations 346 00:14:40,316 --> 00:14:42,046 because, by that time, 347 00:14:42,083 --> 00:14:44,173 I'd been accused of so many things. 348 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,050 She wasn't entirely wrong. 349 00:14:47,083 --> 00:14:50,203 There was a right-wing conspiracy, 350 00:14:50,233 --> 00:14:53,053 but they framed a guilty man. 351 00:14:53,083 --> 00:14:57,053 If Hillary Clinton had not defended her husband, 352 00:14:57,083 --> 00:14:59,303 I think the women's groups would've gone the other way. 353 00:14:59,333 --> 00:15:04,353 She gave him a lifeline, and without that lifeline, 354 00:15:04,383 --> 00:15:06,353 I don't know where he'd be today. 355 00:15:06,383 --> 00:15:09,473 King: As this is just bubbling up -- 356 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,150 Oh, and by the way, it's Tuesday night, 357 00:15:11,183 --> 00:15:13,023 and it's time to give the State of the Union address. 358 00:15:13,050 --> 00:15:14,270 Mr. Speaker, 359 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:17,270 the president of the United States! 360 00:15:17,300 --> 00:15:19,480 [ Applause ] 361 00:15:20,016 --> 00:15:21,196 Borger: All I remember thinking, 362 00:15:21,233 --> 00:15:25,123 "He can't possibly give his State of the Union speech 363 00:15:25,150 --> 00:15:28,400 when this scandal was happening." 364 00:15:28,433 --> 00:15:30,273 Were they going to applaud or not? 365 00:15:30,300 --> 00:15:33,070 The presidency hung in the balance at that moment. 366 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:34,120 Ladies and gentlemen, 367 00:15:34,150 --> 00:15:38,050 the state of our union is strong. 368 00:15:38,083 --> 00:15:40,053 [ Applause ] 369 00:15:40,083 --> 00:15:42,233 And the minute they applauded in the opening, 370 00:15:42,266 --> 00:15:44,316 I knew that we would survive this 371 00:15:44,350 --> 00:15:48,070 and that this would not derail his presidency... 372 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:49,250 at least not now. 373 00:15:49,283 --> 00:15:53,223 With barely 700 days left in the 20th century, 374 00:15:53,250 --> 00:15:56,020 this is not a time to rest. 375 00:15:56,050 --> 00:15:58,120 After Bill Clinton gave that State of the Union, 376 00:15:58,150 --> 00:16:01,070 I thought, "He's in it." 377 00:16:01,100 --> 00:16:06,120 He was going to manage this like a campaign, 378 00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:07,370 and he was going to win it. 379 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,430 [ Cheers and applause ] 380 00:16:14,433 --> 00:16:16,203 I'm you. 381 00:16:16,233 --> 00:16:17,433 I'm just like you. 382 00:16:17,466 --> 00:16:21,126 Toobin: Starr's complete focus began to be, 383 00:16:21,166 --> 00:16:23,046 "Break Monica Lewinsky." 384 00:16:23,083 --> 00:16:26,053 Larry: Was it emotionally tough to testify? 385 00:16:30,466 --> 00:16:33,176 Larry: Did you not want to see him leave office? 386 00:16:33,216 --> 00:16:36,096 Flowers: I would want to see him leave office if, in fact, 387 00:16:36,133 --> 00:16:40,473 he did encourage her to lie in a deposition. 388 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,180 That's obviously illegal, 389 00:16:42,216 --> 00:16:45,026 and we don't need someone in power that would -- 390 00:16:45,066 --> 00:16:47,266 would participate in that kind of activity. 391 00:16:47,300 --> 00:16:50,200 He certainly encouraged me, so do I think he would do it? 392 00:16:50,233 --> 00:16:52,033 Yes, I do. 393 00:16:52,066 --> 00:16:53,376 The Whitewater Independent Counsel 394 00:16:53,416 --> 00:16:56,126 took these latest allegations against the president 395 00:16:56,166 --> 00:16:58,316 to a higher level today. 396 00:16:58,350 --> 00:17:02,450 Less than a week after the original story broke, 397 00:17:02,483 --> 00:17:05,433 a federal grand jury had been impaneled 398 00:17:05,466 --> 00:17:09,016 to investigate what exactly went on 399 00:17:09,050 --> 00:17:10,050 in the White House. 400 00:17:10,083 --> 00:17:11,383 Ruh-roh. 401 00:17:11,416 --> 00:17:13,346 ♪♪ 402 00:17:13,383 --> 00:17:16,333 We did what anybody conducting a federal investigation 403 00:17:16,366 --> 00:17:17,426 would do. 404 00:17:17,466 --> 00:17:20,126 We're testing the statement made that, 405 00:17:20,166 --> 00:17:22,096 "I was never alone with this woman 406 00:17:22,133 --> 00:17:24,223 in the White House," 407 00:17:24,250 --> 00:17:26,070 and we're calling anybody 408 00:17:26,100 --> 00:17:28,470 who might have knowledge of that. 409 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,070 Woman: Clinton personal secretary Betty Currie... 410 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:33,200 Man: Monica Lewinsky's mother, Marcia Lewis. 411 00:17:33,233 --> 00:17:34,453 Man #2: Clinton pal Vernon Jordan. 412 00:17:34,483 --> 00:17:36,373 Man #3: Pentagon staffer Linda Tripp. 413 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,180 I'm you. 414 00:17:38,216 --> 00:17:40,446 I'm just like you. 415 00:17:40,483 --> 00:17:42,233 I'm an average American 416 00:17:42,266 --> 00:17:46,316 who found herself in a situation not of her own making. 417 00:17:46,350 --> 00:17:50,120 As this went on and on and on, again, 418 00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:53,180 either Ken Starr was a jerk 419 00:17:53,216 --> 00:17:57,076 and was, like, just deciding he was going to drag everybody 420 00:17:57,116 --> 00:17:59,346 who set foot inside 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue 421 00:17:59,383 --> 00:18:01,153 through the grand jury, 422 00:18:01,183 --> 00:18:03,423 or he must have something. 423 00:18:03,450 --> 00:18:07,270 You cannot defile the Temple of Justice. 424 00:18:07,300 --> 00:18:12,000 Starr's complete focus began to be, 425 00:18:12,033 --> 00:18:14,273 "Break Monica Lewinsky." 426 00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:17,430 Get her to tell the truth 427 00:18:17,466 --> 00:18:19,416 about her relationship with Bill Clinton 428 00:18:19,450 --> 00:18:21,420 and, thus, turn on him. 429 00:18:21,450 --> 00:18:23,370 She wanted immunity from prosecution. 430 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,200 Why didn't you speak out more then? 431 00:18:25,233 --> 00:18:27,133 I didn't know what was going to happen to me. 432 00:18:27,166 --> 00:18:28,316 Was I going to be indicted? 433 00:18:28,350 --> 00:18:30,220 Was I going to get immunity? 434 00:18:38,316 --> 00:18:40,296 Toobin: Finally, after lengthy, 435 00:18:40,333 --> 00:18:42,173 torturous negotiations, 436 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,470 Monica Lewinsky is given immunity 437 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,080 and goes in to testify 438 00:18:47,116 --> 00:18:48,316 before the grand jury. 439 00:18:48,350 --> 00:18:50,380 ♪♪ 440 00:18:50,416 --> 00:18:53,416 That was now the news event of the year. 441 00:18:53,450 --> 00:18:55,200 Man: Monica Lewinsky herself 442 00:18:55,233 --> 00:18:56,383 arrived at the Federal Courthouse 443 00:18:56,416 --> 00:19:00,326 this morning to begin testifying to Ken Starr's grand jury. 444 00:19:00,366 --> 00:19:03,376 Blitzer: She spent nine hours inside of that courthouse, 445 00:19:03,416 --> 00:19:06,416 and she did allege that -- that she had a certain kind 446 00:19:06,450 --> 00:19:09,120 of sexual relationship with the president. 447 00:19:09,150 --> 00:19:12,320 Larry: Was it emotionally tough to testify? 448 00:19:12,350 --> 00:19:14,370 It was -- It was difficult for me because 449 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,230 I have-- I haven't dealt with those emotions 450 00:19:18,266 --> 00:19:19,446 or really thought 451 00:19:19,483 --> 00:19:23,233 about the events of that time for a while. 452 00:19:23,266 --> 00:19:26,366 It was just -- It was stressful. 453 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,170 Woman: Please welcome 454 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,380 the president of the United States. 455 00:19:32,416 --> 00:19:34,166 Man: At the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, 456 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,080 President Clinton talked about gun control in the Rose Garden 457 00:19:37,116 --> 00:19:39,146 as if nothing else was going on. 458 00:19:39,183 --> 00:19:43,383 On that day, Bill Clinton, like presidents do, 459 00:19:43,416 --> 00:19:47,366 holds a public ceremony in the Rose Garden, 460 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:52,070 and he wears a tie that Monica Lewinsky later says 461 00:19:52,100 --> 00:19:54,030 is one that she gave him, 462 00:19:54,066 --> 00:19:58,466 and she says she interpreted his decision to wear that tie 463 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,280 as a signal to her that he was still on her side. 464 00:20:03,316 --> 00:20:04,476 Stay strong. 465 00:20:05,016 --> 00:20:06,316 Bill Clinton, of course, says 466 00:20:06,350 --> 00:20:08,330 it was just some tie in his closet. 467 00:20:08,366 --> 00:20:09,996 Bill: I don't believe she gave me this tie. 468 00:20:10,033 --> 00:20:12,183 I don't remember her giving me this tie, 469 00:20:12,216 --> 00:20:15,046 and I had absolutely no thought of this in my mind 470 00:20:15,083 --> 00:20:16,053 when I wore it. 471 00:20:16,083 --> 00:20:19,483 ♪♪ 472 00:20:20,016 --> 00:20:21,096 Larry: Are you saying that no dress, 473 00:20:21,133 --> 00:20:22,253 there never would have been an admission 474 00:20:22,283 --> 00:20:24,333 by the president of any relationship? 475 00:20:24,366 --> 00:20:26,126 You're asking me that seriously? 476 00:20:26,166 --> 00:20:27,376 No, I'm -- I'm asking you, yeah. 477 00:20:27,416 --> 00:20:29,316 Well, I think -- I think the facts are -- 478 00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:31,000 are clear on that. 479 00:20:31,033 --> 00:20:33,233 Sesno: What made it impossible for Bill Clinton 480 00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:35,166 to run and to lie 481 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,050 and to dissemble any longer really were two things. 482 00:20:39,083 --> 00:20:41,423 One was the clarity and specificity 483 00:20:41,450 --> 00:20:44,320 of Monica Lewinsky's testimony, 484 00:20:44,350 --> 00:20:47,170 and the second thing, the killer thing, 485 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,380 exhibit "A," 486 00:20:48,416 --> 00:20:51,466 was that blue dress. 487 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,330 Larry: What reason did Monica keep it? 488 00:20:54,366 --> 00:20:56,326 I testified before the grand jury 489 00:20:56,366 --> 00:20:58,196 that it was my opinion 490 00:20:58,233 --> 00:21:02,233 that Monica would hold on to it for reasons of security. 491 00:21:02,266 --> 00:21:04,066 So, she was afraid? I think so. 492 00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:05,180 Of course, Monica had a dress. 493 00:21:05,216 --> 00:21:08,046 She'd kept the dress at Linda Tripp's urging, 494 00:21:08,083 --> 00:21:10,423 and that dress had semen stains on it, 495 00:21:10,450 --> 00:21:12,230 and the question is, 496 00:21:12,266 --> 00:21:14,226 were those President Clinton's? 497 00:21:14,266 --> 00:21:17,276 Judd: So, prosecutors went over to the White House. 498 00:21:17,316 --> 00:21:21,326 They sat with the president as his blood was drawn. 499 00:21:21,366 --> 00:21:25,466 Toobin: It is impossible to overstate how important 500 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,250 the dress is as a piece of evidence 501 00:21:29,283 --> 00:21:33,383 because it creates mathematical certainty 502 00:21:33,416 --> 00:21:35,316 that there was a sexual relationship 503 00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:37,050 between the two of them. 504 00:21:37,083 --> 00:21:39,273 Absent that dress, in my opinion, 505 00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:43,050 Bill Clinton would be denying a relationship to this day. 506 00:21:43,083 --> 00:21:45,453 At that point, Clinton knew 507 00:21:45,483 --> 00:21:47,223 that there was no way out. 508 00:21:47,250 --> 00:21:50,100 He couldn't deny it anymore. 509 00:21:50,133 --> 00:21:51,483 Good evening. 510 00:21:52,016 --> 00:21:55,176 This afternoon, in this room, from this chair, 511 00:21:55,216 --> 00:21:58,116 I testified before the office of Independent Counsel 512 00:21:58,150 --> 00:21:59,250 and the grand jury. 513 00:22:03,466 --> 00:22:05,446 Larry: Was it, as has been reported, 514 00:22:05,483 --> 00:22:08,173 one-sided, in that you were the giver, 515 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,320 and he was the taker? 516 00:22:10,350 --> 00:22:12,200 That's absolutely false, 517 00:22:12,233 --> 00:22:15,403 and I think that's another big misconception 518 00:22:15,433 --> 00:22:18,023 that I certainly hope is cleared. 519 00:22:18,050 --> 00:22:20,180 He gave as much as he took? 520 00:22:20,216 --> 00:22:22,176 [ Stammers, chuckles ] 521 00:22:22,216 --> 00:22:23,476 I mean, to put it -- There's no other way to put it. 522 00:22:24,016 --> 00:22:27,046 I -- It was a mutual relationship. 523 00:22:27,083 --> 00:22:29,223 It was a mutual physical relationship, 524 00:22:29,250 --> 00:22:30,300 and emotional. 525 00:22:30,333 --> 00:22:31,373 Welcome back to "How It Really Happened." 526 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,100 I'm Hill Harper. 527 00:22:33,133 --> 00:22:35,003 August 1998, 528 00:22:35,033 --> 00:22:36,253 President Clinton was set to testify 529 00:22:36,283 --> 00:22:39,023 before Ken Starr's prosecutors in a grand jury 530 00:22:39,050 --> 00:22:41,180 looking into allegations of obstruction of justice 531 00:22:41,216 --> 00:22:42,316 and perjury. 532 00:22:42,350 --> 00:22:45,330 He knew they had that blue Gap dress and his DNA, 533 00:22:45,366 --> 00:22:48,066 and there'd be no more denying the affair, 534 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:49,270 but like every other moment 535 00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:51,230 in this Clinton/Lewinsky saga, 536 00:22:51,266 --> 00:22:54,076 nothing would go quite as anticipated. 537 00:22:54,116 --> 00:22:56,376 Larry: Would you know why he would not have had 538 00:22:56,416 --> 00:22:59,176 a sexual act of the kind we're talking 539 00:22:59,216 --> 00:23:01,326 with Ms. Lewinsky? 540 00:23:01,366 --> 00:23:03,266 'Course, she certainly, in her testimony, 541 00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:05,300 said that she was amenable. 542 00:23:05,333 --> 00:23:09,083 Bill came to me one evening way into our relationship -- 543 00:23:09,116 --> 00:23:10,316 several years after it had started -- 544 00:23:10,350 --> 00:23:13,130 and told me that he had found something in the bible 545 00:23:13,166 --> 00:23:16,276 that led him to believe that oral sex 546 00:23:16,316 --> 00:23:20,176 did not determine that someone had committed adultery. 547 00:23:20,216 --> 00:23:22,276 At which time, I said, "Don't be ridiculous," 548 00:23:22,316 --> 00:23:25,126 and do not want -- you know, don't even discuss that with me. 549 00:23:25,166 --> 00:23:27,176 I'm not gonna go there. 550 00:23:27,216 --> 00:23:32,276 So, if he truly believes that, and I think he does, 551 00:23:32,316 --> 00:23:34,226 he then felt, I guess, 552 00:23:34,266 --> 00:23:36,316 that he was not committing adultery. 553 00:23:36,350 --> 00:23:38,450 Man: Grand jury's in session. 554 00:23:38,483 --> 00:23:42,453 ♪♪ 555 00:23:42,483 --> 00:23:45,373 I think when it came to preparing for the testimony, 556 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,150 there was a lot of discussion. 557 00:23:47,183 --> 00:23:49,273 First, should he testify? 558 00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:52,080 Should he try to exert executive privilege? 559 00:23:52,116 --> 00:23:54,276 Should he take the fifth amendment? 560 00:23:54,316 --> 00:23:57,126 And -- And all of those suggestions were rejected 561 00:23:57,166 --> 00:23:58,416 by -- by him, 562 00:23:58,450 --> 00:24:00,370 and they wouldn't have gone down very well 563 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,170 with the American public. 564 00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:10,476 I do. 565 00:24:11,016 --> 00:24:12,396 Bill Clinton insisted 566 00:24:12,433 --> 00:24:15,103 on doing a video deposition, 567 00:24:15,133 --> 00:24:19,003 but that may have been a political miscalculation 568 00:24:19,033 --> 00:24:23,473 because that video tape of his deposition 569 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,230 turned out to be one of the defining memories 570 00:24:26,266 --> 00:24:27,296 of his presidency. 571 00:24:27,333 --> 00:24:29,003 Wisenberg: Good afternoon, Mr. President. 572 00:24:29,033 --> 00:24:30,273 Good afternoon. 573 00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:32,020 Would you please state your full name 574 00:24:32,050 --> 00:24:32,480 for the record, sir? 575 00:24:33,016 --> 00:24:34,246 William Jefferson Clinton. 576 00:24:34,283 --> 00:24:38,203 Wisenberg: The people who seek to demonize Ken Starr 577 00:24:38,233 --> 00:24:41,023 and say that he was out to destroy the president, 578 00:24:41,050 --> 00:24:44,170 many of them don't know about an interesting fact. 579 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,380 King: When Bill Clinton sat in that chair and took that oath, 580 00:24:46,416 --> 00:24:49,146 he knew, not everything, 581 00:24:49,183 --> 00:24:52,233 but he knew the highlights of what Ken Starr knew. 582 00:24:52,266 --> 00:24:56,046 Judge Starr kind of made it clear through channels, 583 00:24:56,083 --> 00:24:58,333 "Don't lie in your grand jury testimony. 584 00:24:58,366 --> 00:24:59,476 We know what happened." 585 00:25:00,016 --> 00:25:01,466 He didn't have to do that. 586 00:25:02,016 --> 00:25:04,996 I did not wish to do the work of the Jones' lawyers. 587 00:25:05,033 --> 00:25:07,103 I deplored what they were doing. 588 00:25:07,133 --> 00:25:09,123 Did I want this to come out? No. 589 00:25:09,150 --> 00:25:11,280 Was I embarrassed about it? Yes. 590 00:25:11,316 --> 00:25:14,346 Now, a big mistake we made was, 591 00:25:14,383 --> 00:25:16,483 we agreed to a four-hour time limit. 592 00:25:17,016 --> 00:25:19,466 We knew the president was going to give very long answers, 593 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,380 which he's very good at, 594 00:25:21,416 --> 00:25:24,996 and so that limited what we could do 595 00:25:25,033 --> 00:25:27,303 in terms of trying to get to the bottom of what happened. 596 00:25:27,333 --> 00:25:31,353 I engaged in conduct that was wrong. 597 00:25:31,383 --> 00:25:36,083 These encounters did not consist of sexual intercourse. 598 00:25:36,116 --> 00:25:38,126 They did not constitute sexual relations 599 00:25:38,166 --> 00:25:41,366 as I understood that term to be defined at 600 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:47,270 my January 17, 1998, deposition, 601 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:49,170 but they did involve 602 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,450 inappropriate intimate contact. 603 00:25:51,483 --> 00:25:54,033 His entire argument was based on the fact that, 604 00:25:54,066 --> 00:25:57,246 according to his definition of sex, 605 00:25:57,283 --> 00:25:58,473 he hadn't had any with Monica. 606 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,150 And I said, "You knew when your lawyer said that, that, 607 00:26:02,183 --> 00:26:05,223 'There is no sex of any kind,' that that was false, 608 00:26:05,250 --> 00:26:07,170 and you did that in front of a federal judge," 609 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,280 and that's when the president kind of cocked his head 610 00:26:09,316 --> 00:26:10,476 and looked at me and said... 611 00:26:11,016 --> 00:26:16,376 It depends upon what the meaning of the word "is" is. 612 00:26:16,416 --> 00:26:18,316 Top advisers describe the president 613 00:26:18,350 --> 00:26:20,130 as contrite but confident, 614 00:26:20,166 --> 00:26:21,166 most of all, 615 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,270 eager to get his testimony over with. 616 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:26,020 The minute he testified, the president also had to make 617 00:26:26,050 --> 00:26:28,480 something of an apology to the public. 618 00:26:29,016 --> 00:26:31,466 Larry: Tonight, a critical moment in American History -- 619 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,320 In one hour, President Clinton speaks 620 00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:36,330 to the nation live from the White House. 621 00:26:36,366 --> 00:26:38,376 Knowing the president as I do, which is pretty well, 622 00:26:38,416 --> 00:26:41,316 I suspect that, right now, he's in a room by himself 623 00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:43,470 and is making his own notes and -- and -- and -- 624 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,300 and working on -- working on it right to the end. 625 00:26:46,333 --> 00:26:49,183 Man: In about 5 seconds. 626 00:26:49,216 --> 00:26:50,476 [ Inhales deeply ] 627 00:26:54,466 --> 00:26:56,316 Good evening. 628 00:26:56,350 --> 00:27:00,020 This afternoon, in this room, from this chair, 629 00:27:00,050 --> 00:27:02,450 I testified before the office of Independent Counsel 630 00:27:02,483 --> 00:27:04,453 and the grand jury. 631 00:27:04,483 --> 00:27:07,403 I answered their questions truthfully, 632 00:27:07,433 --> 00:27:10,473 including questions about my private life, 633 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,270 questions no American citizen would ever want to answer. 634 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,380 Andersen: The president offered a very strange apology. 635 00:27:17,416 --> 00:27:20,246 He said he'd acted inappropriately. 636 00:27:20,283 --> 00:27:22,073 Indeed, I did have a relationship 637 00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,450 with Ms. Lewinsky that was not appropriate. 638 00:27:24,483 --> 00:27:27,083 In fact, it was wrong. 639 00:27:27,116 --> 00:27:28,466 I misled people, 640 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,080 including even my wife. 641 00:27:32,116 --> 00:27:34,176 I deeply regret that. [ Crowd murmurs ] 642 00:27:34,216 --> 00:27:37,376 If you listen to it, you'll see that he's somebody 643 00:27:37,416 --> 00:27:39,346 who's -- who's got to admit something that -- 644 00:27:39,383 --> 00:27:41,233 that is an embarrassment to him. 645 00:27:41,266 --> 00:27:45,046 I can only tell you I was motivated by many factors. 646 00:27:45,083 --> 00:27:48,223 First, by a desire to protect myself 647 00:27:48,250 --> 00:27:51,030 from the embarrassment of my own conduct. 648 00:27:51,066 --> 00:27:54,076 He needed a reason for not telling the truth, 649 00:27:54,116 --> 00:27:56,446 and Bill Clinton's reason was that he was under attack. 650 00:27:56,483 --> 00:27:59,103 Now this matter is between me, 651 00:27:59,133 --> 00:28:01,133 the two people I love most, 652 00:28:01,166 --> 00:28:03,226 my wife and our daughter, 653 00:28:03,266 --> 00:28:05,166 and our God. 654 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,020 Thank you for watching 655 00:28:07,050 --> 00:28:08,400 and good night. 656 00:28:10,150 --> 00:28:11,200 James Carville. 657 00:28:11,233 --> 00:28:13,103 He -- He had to come out and admit that what -- 658 00:28:13,133 --> 00:28:14,053 what he did was wrong. 659 00:28:14,083 --> 00:28:15,233 He said that he misled people. 660 00:28:15,266 --> 00:28:16,396 He said he misled his wife. 661 00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:18,373 Penn: After he made the speech, I came over. 662 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,300 It was a small group, Hillary, and Chelsea. 663 00:28:21,333 --> 00:28:23,253 Sesno: Hillary helped him, 664 00:28:23,283 --> 00:28:26,173 supposedly, draft or put this thing together, 665 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,400 what he was going to say. 666 00:28:27,433 --> 00:28:29,053 Can you imagine? 667 00:28:29,083 --> 00:28:30,433 Solis Doyle: I've known her for close to 30 years, 668 00:28:30,466 --> 00:28:36,396 and I have never seen her as angry and as dejected as I had 669 00:28:36,433 --> 00:28:38,003 during those days. 670 00:28:38,033 --> 00:28:39,123 I thought to myself, 671 00:28:39,150 --> 00:28:42,000 if they had not been president and First Lady, 672 00:28:42,033 --> 00:28:45,053 she would've left him. 673 00:28:45,083 --> 00:28:47,283 Andersen: The next day, the family was off 674 00:28:47,316 --> 00:28:49,476 on its summer vacation at Martha's Vineyard. 675 00:28:50,016 --> 00:28:52,066 Never forget that walk to the helicopter. 676 00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:54,350 Andersen: It's Chelsea who makes a point of grabbing 677 00:28:54,383 --> 00:28:57,323 both her mother's and father's hands. 678 00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:59,180 That was just a powerful moment. 679 00:28:59,216 --> 00:29:02,016 Solis Doyle: The image of Chelsea literally 680 00:29:02,050 --> 00:29:03,400 and figuratively keeping them 681 00:29:03,433 --> 00:29:05,233 together is just striking. 682 00:29:05,266 --> 00:29:08,296 Hillary: I had to really figure out 683 00:29:08,333 --> 00:29:10,423 how I was going to keep going. 684 00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:12,220 You know, on the one hand, 685 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:16,380 I had this horrible personal betrayal 686 00:29:16,416 --> 00:29:18,126 that I had to deal with. 687 00:29:18,166 --> 00:29:20,316 On the other hand, he was not only my husband. 688 00:29:20,350 --> 00:29:21,400 He was my president, 689 00:29:21,433 --> 00:29:25,153 and I thought what was being done to him 690 00:29:25,183 --> 00:29:27,073 was really out of bounds. 691 00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:30,100 ♪♪ 692 00:29:30,133 --> 00:29:32,433 This has been a stunning, some might say, 693 00:29:32,466 --> 00:29:34,396 shocking day in Washington. 694 00:29:34,433 --> 00:29:36,483 The Independent Counsel's report to Congress 695 00:29:37,016 --> 00:29:38,216 has been made public. 696 00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:40,100 There are stories 697 00:29:40,133 --> 00:29:43,383 of the president receiving oral sex. 698 00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:51,220 Bill: I agree with those who have said that, 699 00:29:51,250 --> 00:29:53,380 in my first statement after I testified, 700 00:29:53,416 --> 00:29:57,216 I was not contrite enough. 701 00:29:57,250 --> 00:30:00,400 I don't think there is a fancy way to say 702 00:30:00,433 --> 00:30:02,023 that I have sinned. 703 00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:04,020 ♪♪ 704 00:30:04,050 --> 00:30:06,380 Today's Main Development -- Ken Starr's report. 705 00:30:06,416 --> 00:30:08,076 Woman: It is a day in Washington, 706 00:30:08,116 --> 00:30:10,126 the likes of which I think is fair to say, 707 00:30:10,166 --> 00:30:13,166 none of us has ever seen. 708 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,280 Sesno: Starr investigation is complete. 709 00:30:14,316 --> 00:30:15,476 Starr comes out, and here are 11 -- 710 00:30:16,016 --> 00:30:17,996 11 reasons to impeach the president -- 711 00:30:18,033 --> 00:30:20,373 obstruction of justice, perjury. 712 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,270 I mean, you know, on and on it goes. 713 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:25,430 The report got a police escort 714 00:30:25,466 --> 00:30:27,326 from Ken Starr's office 715 00:30:27,366 --> 00:30:30,076 up to Capitol Hill. 716 00:30:30,116 --> 00:30:35,046 It was very lurid details about the encounters 717 00:30:35,083 --> 00:30:36,173 between the president 718 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,150 and Monica Lewinsky. 719 00:30:38,183 --> 00:30:39,373 It was uncomfortable. 720 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,120 Judge Starr's report is 445 pages 721 00:30:43,150 --> 00:30:45,200 filled with complex arguments, 722 00:30:45,233 --> 00:30:47,183 excruciating detail, 723 00:30:47,216 --> 00:30:49,326 and graphic description. 724 00:30:49,366 --> 00:30:52,196 Candy Crowley was our Congressional correspondent, 725 00:30:52,233 --> 00:30:57,303 and it was her job to be at a desktop computer reading it, 726 00:30:57,333 --> 00:31:00,273 including some of the most awkward paragraphs 727 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:01,370 in that Starr Report. 728 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,180 W-We're going page by page. 729 00:31:03,216 --> 00:31:05,426 He touched her genitals, both through her underwear 730 00:31:05,466 --> 00:31:06,466 and directly, 731 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,120 bringing her to orgasm on two occasions. 732 00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:13,000 Sesno: We were placed in some very, very awkward positions. 733 00:31:13,033 --> 00:31:15,223 We never reported on oral sex before. 734 00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:17,050 There are stories 735 00:31:17,083 --> 00:31:20,283 of the president receiving oral sex 736 00:31:20,316 --> 00:31:22,276 while talking on the phone to a congressman 737 00:31:22,316 --> 00:31:23,416 during the government shutdown. 738 00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:25,020 It is that sort of thing. 739 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:26,120 It was shocking. 740 00:31:26,150 --> 00:31:28,170 And after phone sex one night, 741 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,120 she says the p-president fell asleep "mid-conversation." 742 00:31:32,150 --> 00:31:33,480 Well, I'll be glad to get on with politics 743 00:31:34,016 --> 00:31:35,076 after this, I'll tell you. 744 00:31:35,116 --> 00:31:38,466 I sat down with a group of middle schoolers, 745 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,220 and they had heard everything. 746 00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:44,350 I remember the part where they were having this DNA thing 747 00:31:44,383 --> 00:31:48,003 on Monica Lewinsky's dress. 748 00:31:48,033 --> 00:31:49,053 Were you upset at all 749 00:31:49,083 --> 00:31:51,373 the sexual references in the Starr Report, 750 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,380 all of the details of it? Oh. 751 00:31:54,416 --> 00:31:56,126 Yes, of course. 752 00:31:56,166 --> 00:31:58,366 It was humiliating to have to give 753 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,170 those details under oath 754 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,050 so just even being deposed 755 00:32:03,083 --> 00:32:05,303 and being asked questions like that, 756 00:32:05,333 --> 00:32:09,083 but for them -- for them to be disseminated in a way 757 00:32:09,116 --> 00:32:11,196 knowing that people were reading them, 758 00:32:11,233 --> 00:32:13,153 you just -- 759 00:32:13,183 --> 00:32:16,323 you just feel naked in front of the whole world. 760 00:32:16,350 --> 00:32:21,030 You can see that entire report at CNN.com. 761 00:32:21,066 --> 00:32:24,126 I let this country down, 762 00:32:24,166 --> 00:32:26,266 but I'm trying to make it right, 763 00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:27,320 and I'm determined never 764 00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:29,200 to let anything like that happen again. 765 00:32:29,233 --> 00:32:32,023 Penn: There were several key strategies 766 00:32:32,050 --> 00:32:34,300 that would be developed in terms of handling this. 767 00:32:34,333 --> 00:32:37,183 One of those strategies was to make sure 768 00:32:37,216 --> 00:32:39,266 that people felt confident that the presidency 769 00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:41,200 could operate in this environment. 770 00:32:41,233 --> 00:32:44,203 One of the phrases that we got sick and tired of hearing is, 771 00:32:44,233 --> 00:32:46,173 "Well, we're not going to respond to that 772 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,170 because we are too busy doing the people's business." 773 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,100 I need to keep working on the people's business. 774 00:32:52,133 --> 00:32:53,223 That's what I intend to do. 775 00:32:53,250 --> 00:32:55,080 The people's business. The people's business. 776 00:32:55,116 --> 00:32:56,196 We've got to go back to -- to -- 777 00:32:56,233 --> 00:32:57,283 to doing the people's business. 778 00:32:57,316 --> 00:32:58,996 That was an effective line. 779 00:32:59,033 --> 00:33:01,323 Clearly, it -- it resonated with the American public. 780 00:33:01,350 --> 00:33:02,480 Hillary: I must say, the American people 781 00:33:03,016 --> 00:33:05,296 got it straight and right from the very beginning. 782 00:33:05,333 --> 00:33:09,183 They understood that this was between us 783 00:33:09,216 --> 00:33:12,066 as it would have been between them in a marriage 784 00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:14,070 and that what was important is the job 785 00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:16,200 that Bill was doing as president. 786 00:33:16,233 --> 00:33:20,083 Morris: Only 40% after Lewinsky thought he was a good person, 787 00:33:20,116 --> 00:33:22,316 but 60% thought he was a good president. 788 00:33:22,350 --> 00:33:24,170 The Republicans smelled blood. 789 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,320 They thought that people would be revolted 790 00:33:26,350 --> 00:33:29,080 by what Bill Clinton did, and they were. 791 00:33:29,116 --> 00:33:32,066 Be honest, it reads like -- like soft porn. 792 00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:33,250 But then they overreached. 793 00:33:33,283 --> 00:33:35,123 After a little while, 794 00:33:35,150 --> 00:33:38,170 the public was like, "What is this? 795 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,400 Why -- Why are we even talking about this?" 796 00:33:40,433 --> 00:33:44,373 The real mistake was on the part of the Republicans 797 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,430 and Congress who used this 798 00:33:46,466 --> 00:33:49,226 as the basis for impeachment. 799 00:33:49,266 --> 00:33:52,096 The house debate on impeachment is scheduled to begin 800 00:33:52,133 --> 00:33:53,203 less than an hour from now. 801 00:33:53,233 --> 00:33:55,303 We must stay together as a family! 802 00:33:55,333 --> 00:33:57,303 If you ran into Monica... Yeah. 803 00:33:57,333 --> 00:34:00,173 ...would there be any apology? 804 00:34:04,466 --> 00:34:07,396 Hillary: I knew what was being attempted 805 00:34:07,433 --> 00:34:11,383 against this president was absolutely out of line 806 00:34:11,416 --> 00:34:13,166 with what the founders had thought, 807 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,400 what people had always believed 808 00:34:15,433 --> 00:34:18,333 was the basis for Constitutional impeachment. 809 00:34:18,366 --> 00:34:21,196 It was several weeks after Congress 810 00:34:21,233 --> 00:34:23,323 had received Ken Starr's report 811 00:34:23,350 --> 00:34:27,280 that the house began impeachment proceedings. 812 00:34:27,316 --> 00:34:30,446 There's only one precedent for modern impeachment, 813 00:34:30,483 --> 00:34:33,403 1974, Richard Nixon, 814 00:34:33,433 --> 00:34:36,383 and the House Judiciary Committee 815 00:34:36,416 --> 00:34:38,426 sort of set up procedures, 816 00:34:38,466 --> 00:34:42,376 and one of the lawyers on the staff 817 00:34:42,416 --> 00:34:45,096 was young Hillary Rodham, 818 00:34:45,133 --> 00:34:49,003 and Hillary Rodham set up procedures 819 00:34:49,033 --> 00:34:50,353 that a generation later 820 00:34:50,383 --> 00:34:53,433 were used to orchestrate 821 00:34:53,466 --> 00:34:55,426 the impeachment of her husband. 822 00:34:55,466 --> 00:34:57,376 Not piety nor tears 823 00:34:57,416 --> 00:34:59,466 nor whit nor torment 824 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,170 can alter what I have done. 825 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,130 The public consequences of my actions 826 00:35:05,166 --> 00:35:06,426 are in the hands of the American people 827 00:35:06,466 --> 00:35:10,366 and their representatives in the Congress. 828 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,130 Should they determine that my errors of word and deed 829 00:35:13,166 --> 00:35:16,016 require their rebuke and censure, 830 00:35:16,050 --> 00:35:18,200 I am ready to accept that. 831 00:35:18,233 --> 00:35:20,353 The accusations, the evidence, and the arguments 832 00:35:20,383 --> 00:35:21,473 have set the stage now 833 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,380 for a very momentous debate on Capitol Hill -- 834 00:35:24,416 --> 00:35:26,366 that debate over whether president 835 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,170 William Jefferson Clinton should be impeached. 836 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,300 Man: A resolution impeaching William Jefferson Clinton, 837 00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:34,303 President of the United States 838 00:35:34,333 --> 00:35:38,103 for high crimes and misdemeanors. 839 00:35:38,133 --> 00:35:39,373 Graham: Let it be said that any president 840 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,300 who cheats our institutions shall be impeached. 841 00:35:42,333 --> 00:35:45,153 My God, what kind of country 842 00:35:45,183 --> 00:35:46,383 are we becoming? 843 00:35:46,416 --> 00:35:49,046 We must stay together as a family, 844 00:35:49,083 --> 00:35:51,023 one house, one family, 845 00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:55,130 the American house, the American family! 846 00:35:55,166 --> 00:35:57,276 We were kind of glued to the TV sets 847 00:35:57,316 --> 00:35:58,416 as everyone else. 848 00:35:58,450 --> 00:36:01,430 President is now in the residence behind me. 849 00:36:01,466 --> 00:36:04,366 I used to say to myself, "Wow, I've really got 850 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,020 a front-row seat to history right now." 851 00:36:07,050 --> 00:36:09,480 ♪♪ 852 00:36:10,016 --> 00:36:11,316 Bill: Now it is up to the members 853 00:36:11,350 --> 00:36:13,230 of the House of Representatives 854 00:36:13,266 --> 00:36:15,426 to vote their conscience on the Constitution 855 00:36:15,466 --> 00:36:17,146 and the law, 856 00:36:17,183 --> 00:36:20,173 which I believe are clear, 857 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,070 and I have no intention of resigning. 858 00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:24,320 It's never crossed my mind. 859 00:36:24,350 --> 00:36:26,400 Judd: Ultimately, the House voted 860 00:36:26,433 --> 00:36:30,123 to impeach Mr. Clinton on two charges -- 861 00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:32,000 one, perjury, 862 00:36:32,033 --> 00:36:34,123 and two, obstruction of justice. 863 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:35,270 Woman: There it is. 864 00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:38,030 President William Jefferson Clinton 865 00:36:38,066 --> 00:36:39,396 is now the second President 866 00:36:39,433 --> 00:36:41,433 in the history of the United States 867 00:36:41,466 --> 00:36:43,366 to be impeached 868 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,480 by the House of Representatives. 869 00:36:47,016 --> 00:36:49,096 Now this goes to trial. 870 00:36:49,133 --> 00:36:50,483 The Senate trial was 871 00:36:51,016 --> 00:36:53,076 basically a big anticlimax 872 00:36:53,116 --> 00:36:55,116 because it was quite clear 873 00:36:55,150 --> 00:36:59,000 that the Senate would never have 66 votes, two-thirds, 874 00:36:59,033 --> 00:37:01,133 to force Bill Clinton out of office. 875 00:37:01,166 --> 00:37:04,166 ♪♪ 876 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,100 Man: It is therefore ordered and adjudged 877 00:37:06,133 --> 00:37:08,103 that the said William Jefferson Clinton be, 878 00:37:08,133 --> 00:37:10,233 and he hereby is, acquitted of the charges 879 00:37:10,266 --> 00:37:12,226 in the said articles. 880 00:37:12,266 --> 00:37:14,416 We all have our own opinions of the president, 881 00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:17,150 but under our system, impeachment is hard. 882 00:37:17,183 --> 00:37:20,183 It was meant to be hard, and it's over. 883 00:37:20,216 --> 00:37:24,216 What did you think, Paula Jones, of the vote in the Senate? 884 00:37:24,250 --> 00:37:27,430 Well, I'm -- I'm disappointed, to say the least. 885 00:37:27,466 --> 00:37:30,096 Penn: I remember we called the president 886 00:37:30,133 --> 00:37:31,473 to say it was over now, 887 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,200 and he said, "Well, you know, 888 00:37:34,233 --> 00:37:36,053 should I go out and give a statement?" 889 00:37:36,083 --> 00:37:40,033 And I think America wanted closure at that point. 890 00:37:40,066 --> 00:37:44,246 I want to say again to the American people... 891 00:37:44,283 --> 00:37:49,273 how profoundly sorry I am for what I said and did 892 00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:52,330 to trigger these events 893 00:37:52,366 --> 00:37:54,216 and the great burden they have imposed 894 00:37:54,250 --> 00:37:56,000 on the Congress 895 00:37:56,033 --> 00:37:58,433 and on the American people. 896 00:37:58,466 --> 00:38:01,196 This can be... 897 00:38:01,233 --> 00:38:03,433 and this must be, 898 00:38:03,466 --> 00:38:06,366 a time of reconciliation 899 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,380 and renewal for America. 900 00:38:10,416 --> 00:38:12,176 Thank you very much. 901 00:38:21,066 --> 00:38:25,076 I believe any person who asks for forgiveness... 902 00:38:25,116 --> 00:38:28,166 has to be prepared to give it. 903 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,070 ♪♪ 904 00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:33,250 Man: Do you feel vindicated, sir? 905 00:38:33,283 --> 00:38:35,033 Isikoff: There were so many points along the way 906 00:38:35,066 --> 00:38:38,316 where all of this could have been avoided, you know. 907 00:38:38,350 --> 00:38:41,420 We can start with Bill Clinton 908 00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:46,280 summoning Paula Jones to his hotel room back in 1991. 909 00:38:46,316 --> 00:38:50,116 Had he settled the Paula Jones lawsuit, 910 00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:52,470 had Bill Clinton told the truth in his deposition, 911 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,180 had he told the truth after his deposition, 912 00:38:56,216 --> 00:39:03,146 he probably could've spared the country a lot of turmoil. 913 00:39:03,183 --> 00:39:05,353 Man: Mr. President, do you have any thoughts on it 914 00:39:05,383 --> 00:39:07,103 that you can share with us that -- 915 00:39:07,133 --> 00:39:10,323 that perhaps might bring closure to this? 916 00:39:10,350 --> 00:39:14,300 The irony is, the person who had the least impact 917 00:39:14,333 --> 00:39:17,423 on his historical memory 918 00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:19,100 was Bill Clinton. 919 00:39:19,133 --> 00:39:23,003 And I hope that the efforts that I have made 920 00:39:23,033 --> 00:39:27,183 and that I continue to make every day at home and at work 921 00:39:27,216 --> 00:39:28,426 will bear fruit. 922 00:39:28,466 --> 00:39:30,076 Goldberg: Bill Clinton, 923 00:39:30,116 --> 00:39:32,366 he was a naughty, naughty boy. 924 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,220 He shouldn't have done that, 925 00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:35,480 and he got caught. 926 00:39:36,016 --> 00:39:38,426 This was a pretty tough thing for everybody involved. 927 00:39:38,466 --> 00:39:41,146 Larry: 73% percent of Americans considered 928 00:39:41,183 --> 00:39:43,473 Starr a loser right after the Senate acquittal 929 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,070 of President Clinton. 930 00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:46,320 How do you react to that? 931 00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:50,450 Toobin: Starr went into this investigation thinking 932 00:39:50,483 --> 00:39:52,253 that he would be a hero, 933 00:39:52,283 --> 00:39:56,433 and he turned into a completely partisan figure. 934 00:39:56,466 --> 00:40:02,076 Well, my the reaction is -- is that judges and lawyers 935 00:40:02,116 --> 00:40:05,126 should not be following opinion polls. 936 00:40:05,166 --> 00:40:06,476 Morris: Was in the Justice Department, 937 00:40:07,016 --> 00:40:08,326 in line for the Supreme Court, 938 00:40:08,366 --> 00:40:11,066 and then he was asked to take this job 939 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:14,270 as Special Prosecutor that destroyed his entire career, 940 00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:16,220 and he became a villain 941 00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:19,180 for the rest of his life. 942 00:40:19,216 --> 00:40:21,316 Larry: You think you changed this country? Oh, heavens. 943 00:40:21,350 --> 00:40:23,030 Are you saying this presidency, do you think? 944 00:40:23,066 --> 00:40:24,476 No, I mean, look. Certainly a big player. 945 00:40:25,016 --> 00:40:27,116 I'm sorry, I believe he tarnished the presidency. 946 00:40:27,150 --> 00:40:29,320 I think the country, at least, realizes that much. 947 00:40:29,350 --> 00:40:32,030 Linda made a very good marriage. 948 00:40:32,066 --> 00:40:34,376 She lives in a small town in Virginia. 949 00:40:34,416 --> 00:40:39,196 They own a shop there, and she has a nice life. 950 00:40:39,233 --> 00:40:41,103 If you ran into Monica... Yeah. 951 00:40:41,133 --> 00:40:43,373 ...would there be any apology? 952 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,420 I would want to give Monica a hug. 953 00:40:46,450 --> 00:40:49,370 Judd: 20 years later, I would say that the person 954 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,300 who paid the biggest price, 955 00:40:51,333 --> 00:40:54,283 the most long-lasting price, 956 00:40:54,316 --> 00:40:57,066 was Monica Lewinsky, herself. 957 00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:58,380 You know, I was exploited, I think, 958 00:40:58,416 --> 00:41:01,416 for no other reason but a political agenda. 959 00:41:01,450 --> 00:41:04,120 She paid quite a high price for a long time, 960 00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:07,020 and I feel badly for that, 961 00:41:07,050 --> 00:41:10,370 so I just hope it works out all right. 962 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,130 Do you equate with yourself that you're a part of history? 963 00:41:14,166 --> 00:41:15,196 Lewinsky: No. I -- No, you don't think that -- 964 00:41:15,233 --> 00:41:17,123 You're going to be studied in textbooks. 965 00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:21,200 I think that sort of not recognizing 966 00:41:21,233 --> 00:41:23,483 the -- the overall grandness of it 967 00:41:24,016 --> 00:41:25,426 in terms of history is -- is, I guess, 968 00:41:25,466 --> 00:41:27,116 a little immature, and so I do, 969 00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:29,080 but I -- I try to not pay attention to it 970 00:41:29,116 --> 00:41:30,316 because it's just -- 971 00:41:30,350 --> 00:41:33,050 It's too awesome in a sense, and I -- 972 00:41:33,083 --> 00:41:36,403 I really hope that... as time goes on, 973 00:41:36,433 --> 00:41:39,133 it will become a shorter and shorter footnote 974 00:41:39,166 --> 00:41:41,026 in the history books. 975 00:41:43,216 --> 00:41:46,066 Today, the Clintons remain among the most prominent 976 00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:48,050 and influential couples in the world. 977 00:41:48,083 --> 00:41:50,323 Monica Lewinsky has tried to move on with her life, 978 00:41:50,350 --> 00:41:53,480 getting a graduate degree and writing forVanity Fair, 979 00:41:54,016 --> 00:41:56,376 and recently she became an advocate for anti-bullying, 980 00:41:56,416 --> 00:42:00,346 calling herself patient zero of Internet shaming. 981 00:42:00,383 --> 00:42:02,123 Thanks for watching. 982 00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:03,300 Good night. 74434

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