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♪♪
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What overview is
the biggest misconception
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do you think people
have about you?
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[ Inhales deeply ]
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Probably that
I went to Washington
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with an agenda
to seduce the president
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and then expose
that relationship
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so I could become famous.
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I had really gone
to Washington
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as a short pit stop
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on my way
to graduate school.
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And you wanted to
be a what?
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Forensic psychologist.
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Ironically,
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thought I might
go into criminology
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and work at the FBI,
but I --
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You could've investigated
yourself.
[ Laughs ]
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Yeah.
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Welcome to
"How It Really Happened."
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I'm Hill Harper.
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In 1995, 21-year-old White House
intern Monica Lewinsky
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and President Bill Clinton
began an affair --
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secret rendezvous
in the Oval Office,
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saucy phone calls,
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and a certain dark blue dress
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all kept under wraps
until Lewinsky confided
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in a woman
she thought was a friend,
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Linda Tripp.
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Tonight, Part 2
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of our look back at the
Clinton/Lewinsky scandal,
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the 13 months
that crippled Washington
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all beginning on Wednesday,
January 21, 1998,
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when the country woke up
to the shocking news.
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Here's how it really happened.
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The allegations are false,
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and I would never ask anybody
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to do anything other
than tell the truth.
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We will give you as many answers
as we can as soon as we can
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at the appropriate time
consistent with our obligation
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to also cooperate
with the investigations.
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Troubling allegations here
at the White House this morning
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about the president's
personal conduct
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inside the White House.
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My initial reaction?
Are you kidding?
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How could anybody
be that stupid?
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He's accused of doing what?
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CNN has confirmed that
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Whitewater Independent Counsel
Kenneth Starr
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will now investigate whether
Mr. Clinton had an affair
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with a former White House intern
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and encouraged the young woman
to lie about it.
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When the story broke,
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we went from zero
to 100 miles an hour,
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it felt like, in a nanosecond.
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-Mike!
-Mike!
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Goldberg: You're always
looking for something
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that's never happened before.
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This had never happened before.
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Bombshell allegations
rocked the White House --
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charges of sex, lies,
and audio tapes.
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Morris: Those of us who
were close to Bill Clinton
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knew that he saw other women,
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but for him to be carrying on
in the White House
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with a woman this young
was just shocking.
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Sesno: Linda Tripp, at first,
befriended Monica Lewinsky
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and ultimately turned on her,
unbeknownst to Lewinsky.
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Linda starts recording
their phone calls,
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and these phone calls go
on and on.
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Sesno: To have Monica Lewinsky's
voice saying these things,
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it was incontrovertible
evidence.
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What began as a search
for evidence
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in the Paula Jones
sexual harassment case
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has mushroomed into
another investigation
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of the president
and his personal conduct.
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The broader political culture
was inching towards this moment.
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The accusations
against Clarence Thomas,
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the situation
that drove Gary Hart out
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of the presidential campaign,
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all of that was prologue
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that really did set the stage
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for the Lewinsky cataclysm.
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We weren't quite sure how it was
going to play out politically,
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but we knew we were in
for a ride.
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What word is
best used to describe
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the atmosphere
inside the White House
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as it pertains
to what's going on?
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One aide here joked
with me earlier today.
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He said, "Hey,
I'm sleeping like a baby.
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I wake up every two hours,
and I cry."
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Larry: When you first
saw your name mentioned,
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do you remember
your first reaction?
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How'd you handle that?
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I don't know
that I did handle it.
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I mean, I -- I --
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I cried a lot.
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I freaked out a lot.
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I mean, it was just --
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It was scary.
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Andersen: When the scandal
went public, she was devastated,
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and at one point, actually,
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she said she considered
taking her own life.
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What was that like, by the
way,
during the hectic days
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when you would
go out in the street?
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It -- It was so --
You couldn't go out, right?
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Oh, no.
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[ Indistinct shouting ]
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-Hey, get back.
-Can't anybody get a picture?
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Borger: She was
just a young kid,
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just a young girl,
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and I'm sure
it was a horrific event
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for her to go through.
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I can't imagine.
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Lewinsky: I was
completely devastated.
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I mean, can you imagine
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the kind of guilt
that you would feel?
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She was more concerned about him
than about herself.
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Blitzer: Even those
presidential aides concede
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that this crisis
is of such a scale that,
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unless quickly resolved,
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it could undermine
Mr. Clinton's ability to govern.
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It's clear that the president's
whole manner and demeanor
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was quite different.
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He seemed stunned.
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He seemed set back.
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It was about noon,
and my pager went off,
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and it was the president,
so I called,
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and he said, "Have you
seen the morning paper?"
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And I said, "Yeah."
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He said, "Ever since I've come
here to the White House,
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I've had to shut my body
down sexually, I mean,
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but I screwed up with this girl.
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I didn't do what
they said I did,
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but I think I went so far that
I can't prove my innocence."
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I then said, "Well,
you have to be careful, sir,
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because it's the cover-up
that'll get you in trouble,
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not the initial deed.
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Remember, Nixon was impeached
for covering up Watergate,
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not for the original burglary."
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Clinton figures unless
they could prove he lied,
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people would probably
forgive him,
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and he'd be able to survive.
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President Clinton's strategy
here goes against everything
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that anyone ever says
about a crisis.
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Morris: The White House
strategy for dealing
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with personal scandals
was very important,
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and Monica Lewinsky
was only the latest
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in a long string
of these scandals.
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Franken: When he first
ran for office,
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those in the women's movement
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considered the Republicans
to be way out there,
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so Bill Clinton made it a point
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to include his wife,
Hillary Clinton,
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saying to the world
that it's a package deal.
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Solis Doyle: Hillary
was the personification
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of Bill Clinton's stance
on women.
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He was about empowering women,
and he married one.
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Democratic
presidential candidate
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Bill Clinton is
denying allegations
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he carried on
an extramarital affair
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with a former nightclub singer.
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Yes, I was Bill Clinton's lover
for 12 years,
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and for the past two years,
I have lied to the press
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about our relationship
to protect him.
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The truth is...
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I loved him.
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Solis Doyle:
The Gennifer Flowers episode
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was truly the one that
hit us the hardest.
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King: You can go back
to that moment.
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That is your playbook
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for Clinton's response
to crisis.
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Hit back hard
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to cast up a lot of doubt
and confuse people.
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We had a conference call in
the campaign manager's office,
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and they told us,
"We're going to fight it,"
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and so we fought it.
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Franken: Obviously,
his campaign was on the line,
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and so they agreed to do
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a "60 Minutes" interview.
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She's alleging
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and has described in some detail
in a supermarket tabloid
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what she calls a 12-year affair
with you.
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It --
That allegation is false.
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They walked right up
to the line.
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"We have had problems
in our marriage.
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I think the American people
know what we're talking about.
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We're not going to get
into the details,"
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and then the most powerful
part of all --
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I'm not sitting here
as some little woman
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standing by my man,
like Tammy Wynette.
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I'm sitting here
because I love him,
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and I respect him,
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and I honor what
he's been through
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and what we've been
through together.
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It was --
It was just a trademark,
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stellar, you know,
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historic moment
in American politics.
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If it weren't for
that interview,
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I don't think
he would have survived
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much less won the nomination.
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Andersen: Clearly,
the Gennifer Flowers Scandal
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was a sign of things to come,
unfortunately,
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for the Clintons
and the country.
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There was a general agreement
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that he should basically
come out fighting,
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and that's what they did.
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I want you to listen to me.
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I'm going to say this again.
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Larry: Were you shocked
when you heard about Monica?
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Yeah, and I was glad, too,
because I was thinking,
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"Well, good, this is gonna,
you know, show people
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that I'm not just
making this up,
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and it's still happening
right now
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even in the Oval Office,
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our house,
the people's house."
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Explosive accusations are
flying around Washington today,
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and the president
is reportedly outraged.
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Sesno: The remarkable thing was,
that on the day the news broke,
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the president had
scheduled interviews,
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and one of them was
with Jim Lehrer of PBS.
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Of course, we all thought
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the White House would pull
the plug on it.
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No, the president
wanted to go forth.
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Lehrer: Kenneth Starr,
Independent Counsel,
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is investigating allegations
that you suborn perjury
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by encouraging
a 24-year-old woman,
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former White House intern,
to lie under oath
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in a civil deposition
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about her having had
an affair with you.
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Mr. President,
is that true?
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That is not true.
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That is not true.
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I did not ask anyone
to tell anything
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other than the truth.
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There is no improper
relationship.
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Isikoff: He says there is
no sexual relationship,
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which the tense
a lot of people seized on.
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There's no
sexual relationship now,
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but what about before?
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The guy is, how shall I say it,
quite the wordsmith.
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The Jim Lehrer moment was
instructive to me.
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What I'm trying to do...
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is to contain
my natural impulses
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and get back to work.
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If you look at the interview
and watch it,
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how uncomfortable he was.
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He kept looking down.
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Bill Clinton is
an eye-contact guy.
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It freaked me out.
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It's just like,
"There's something wrong."
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Andersen:
Bill consulted his friend,
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the Hollywood producer,
Harry Thomason,
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and Thomason
was honest with him,
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and he said, "Look,
that was pretty mealymouthed,
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and you really should
come out swinging,"
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and five days later,
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that's exactly
what the president did.
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Hillary: Welcome to
the White House.
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It is a pleasure
to have all of you
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join the president
and the vice president.
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King: So the following Monday,
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the president has one of
his events in the White House.
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This one was about education.
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This is a cookie-cutter
White House event.
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Thank you very much.
Thank you.
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Please be seated.
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I was the network pool reporter.
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In fact,
I was the only TV reporter
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in the room that day.
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This has been
the most important year
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in a generation
for education reform.
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So everybody is there.
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Microphones,
cameras are rolling.
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Hillary is standing
right next to him.
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Now, I have to go back to work
on my State of the Union speech,
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and I worked on it till
pretty late last night.
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He draws his line in the sand.
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But I want to say one thing
to the American people.
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I want you to listen to me.
I'm going to say this again.
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I did not have sexual relations
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with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.
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As he was saying that,
he was looking right in my eyes
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because I was right next
to the camera.
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I never told anybody to lie
not a single time, never.
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I hollered back at the TV set,
and I said, "What are you doing?
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You're putting your neck
in a noose on this thing."
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These allegations are false,
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and I need to go back to work
for the American people.
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That became one
of the great moments
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in television history.
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I said, "That's it.
The guy is hosed.
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H-He's done for.
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That's it. It's over."
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Because how in the heck is
he going to get out of this one?
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When you point your finger
at the American people,
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you better be telling the truth.
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You better be.
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It probably wasn't exactly what
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I would have recommended,
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given the facts.
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When he made that statement,
by the way,
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how did you feel --
that famous...
Right.
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..."I have never"?
Well, I -- I --
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I certainly didn't want him
to lose his job and --
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But there was also certainly
a part of me that was hurt.
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I did not have sexual relations
with that woman.
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With that emphasis
and that anger and --
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and that emotion, must --
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He must be telling the truth,
right?
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♪♪
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President Clinton's denial today
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of the charges
threatening his presidency
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is the strongest
we've heard from him.
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Blitzer: It sounded like,
you know, it was over,
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but we all know it wasn't over.
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The whole defense really shifted
in a very smart way,
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and it shifted largely
by Hillary Clinton.
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Andersen: The day after
the president's denial,
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Hillary went on
"The Today Show."
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Morning.
Morning.
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Solis Doyle: We couldn't
cancel the interview
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because it would seem like
we were hiding something,
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and it would give credence
to the story.
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And she wasn't going
to concede an inch.
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Her intuition is
always to fight --
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fight, fight, fight,
fight, fight.
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The great story here for anybody
willing to find it
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and write about it
and explain it is
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this vast
right-wing conspiracy
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that has been conspiring
against my husband
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since the day
he announced for president.
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When she first uttered
the words right-wing conspiracy,
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it was as if Hillary Clinton
kind of reset the storyline,
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and she reset it
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from the tawdry
Monica Lewinsky affair
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to, "These people are out
to get my husband."
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I really didn't have
a lot of trouble
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believing that
this was one more
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in a long series
of accusations
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because, by that time,
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I'd been accused
of so many things.
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She wasn't entirely wrong.
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There was
a right-wing conspiracy,
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but they framed a guilty man.
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If Hillary Clinton had not
defended her husband,
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I think the women's groups
would've gone the other way.
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She gave him a lifeline,
and without that lifeline,
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I don't know
where he'd be today.
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King: As this is
just bubbling up --
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Oh, and by the way,
it's Tuesday night,
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and it's time to give
the State of the Union address.
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Mr. Speaker,
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the president
of the United States!
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[ Applause ]
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Borger: All I remember thinking,
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"He can't possibly give
his State of the Union speech
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when this scandal
was happening."
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Were they going to applaud
or not?
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The presidency hung in
the balance at that moment.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
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the state of our union
is strong.
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[ Applause ]
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And the minute they applauded
in the opening,
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I knew that we would
survive this
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and that this would not derail
his presidency...
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at least not now.
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With barely 700 days left
in the 20th century,
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this is not a time to rest.
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After Bill Clinton gave that
State of the Union,
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I thought, "He's in it."
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He was going to manage this
like a campaign,
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and he was going to win it.
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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I'm you.
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I'm just like you.
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Toobin: Starr's complete focus
began to be,
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"Break Monica Lewinsky."
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Larry: Was it emotionally
tough to testify?
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Larry: Did you not want to see
him leave office?
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Flowers: I would want to see him
leave office if, in fact,
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he did encourage her to lie
in a deposition.
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That's obviously illegal,
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and we don't need someone
in power that would --
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would participate
in that kind of activity.
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He certainly encouraged me,
so do I think he would do it?
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Yes, I do.
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The Whitewater
Independent Counsel
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took these latest allegations
against the president
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to a higher level today.
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Less than a week after
the original story broke,
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a federal grand jury
had been impaneled
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to investigate
what exactly went on
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in the White House.
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Ruh-roh.
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♪♪
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We did what anybody conducting
a federal investigation
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would do.
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We're testing the statement
made that,
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"I was never alone
with this woman
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in the White House,"
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and we're calling anybody
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who might have knowledge
of that.
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Woman: Clinton personal
secretary Betty Currie...
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Man: Monica Lewinsky's mother,
Marcia Lewis.
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Man #2: Clinton pal
Vernon Jordan.
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Man #3: Pentagon staffer
Linda Tripp.
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I'm you.
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I'm just like you.
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I'm an average American
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who found herself in a situation
not of her own making.
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As this went on and on
and on, again,
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either Ken Starr was a jerk
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and was, like, just deciding
he was going to drag everybody
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who set foot inside
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
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through the grand jury,
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or he must have something.
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You cannot defile
the Temple of Justice.
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Starr's complete focus
began to be,
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"Break Monica Lewinsky."
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Get her to tell the truth
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about her relationship
with Bill Clinton
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and, thus, turn on him.
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She wanted immunity
from prosecution.
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Why didn't you
speak out more then?
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I didn't know what was going
to happen to me.
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Was I going to
be indicted?
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Was I going to
get immunity?
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Toobin: Finally, after lengthy,
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torturous negotiations,
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Monica Lewinsky
is given immunity
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and goes in to testify
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before the grand jury.
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♪♪
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That was now
the news event of the year.
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Man: Monica Lewinsky herself
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arrived
at the Federal Courthouse
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this morning to begin testifying
to Ken Starr's grand jury.
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Blitzer: She spent nine hours
inside of that courthouse,
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and she did allege that --
that she had a certain kind
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of sexual relationship
with the president.
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Larry: Was it emotionally
tough to testify?
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It was --
It was difficult for me because
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I have-- I haven't dealt
with those emotions
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or really thought
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about the events of that time
for a while.
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It was just --
It was stressful.
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Woman: Please welcome
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the president
of the United States.
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Man: At the other end
of Pennsylvania Avenue,
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President Clinton talked about
gun control in the Rose Garden
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as if nothing else was going on.
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On that day, Bill Clinton,
like presidents do,
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holds a public ceremony
in the Rose Garden,
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and he wears a tie
that Monica Lewinsky later says
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is one that she gave him,
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and she says she interpreted
his decision to wear that tie
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as a signal to her that
he was still on her side.
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Stay strong.
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Bill Clinton, of course, says
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it was just some tie
in his closet.
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Bill: I don't believe
she gave me this tie.
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I don't remember
her giving me this tie,
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and I had absolutely no thought
of this in my mind
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when I wore it.
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♪♪
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Larry: Are you saying
that no dress,
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there never would have
been an admission
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by the president
of any relationship?
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You're asking me that
seriously?
476
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No, I'm --
I'm asking you, yeah.
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Well, I think --
I think the facts are --
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are clear on that.
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Sesno: What made it impossible
for Bill Clinton
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to run and to lie
481
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and to dissemble any longer
really were two things.
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One was the clarity
and specificity
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of Monica Lewinsky's testimony,
484
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and the second thing,
the killer thing,
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exhibit "A,"
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was that blue dress.
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Larry: What reason
did Monica keep it?
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I testified before
the grand jury
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that it was my opinion
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that Monica would hold on to it
for reasons of security.
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So, she was afraid?
I think so.
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Of course, Monica had a dress.
493
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She'd kept the dress
at Linda Tripp's urging,
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and that dress had semen stains
on it,
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and the question is,
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were those President Clinton's?
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Judd: So, prosecutors went
over to the White House.
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They sat with the president
as his blood was drawn.
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Toobin: It is impossible
to overstate how important
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the dress is as a piece
of evidence
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because it creates
mathematical certainty
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that there was
a sexual relationship
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between the two of them.
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Absent that dress,
in my opinion,
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Bill Clinton would be denying
a relationship to this day.
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At that point, Clinton knew
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that there was no way out.
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He couldn't deny it anymore.
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Good evening.
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This afternoon, in this room,
from this chair,
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I testified before the office
of Independent Counsel
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and the grand jury.
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Larry: Was it,
as has been reported,
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one-sided,
in that you were the giver,
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and he was the taker?
516
00:22:10,350 --> 00:22:12,200
That's absolutely false,
517
00:22:12,233 --> 00:22:15,403
and I think that's another
big misconception
518
00:22:15,433 --> 00:22:18,023
that I certainly hope
is cleared.
519
00:22:18,050 --> 00:22:20,180
He gave as much
as he took?
520
00:22:20,216 --> 00:22:22,176
[ Stammers, chuckles ]
521
00:22:22,216 --> 00:22:23,476
I mean, to put it --
There's no other way to put
it.
522
00:22:24,016 --> 00:22:27,046
I -- It was a mutual
relationship.
523
00:22:27,083 --> 00:22:29,223
It was a mutual
physical relationship,
524
00:22:29,250 --> 00:22:30,300
and emotional.
525
00:22:30,333 --> 00:22:31,373
Welcome back to
"How It Really Happened."
526
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,100
I'm Hill Harper.
527
00:22:33,133 --> 00:22:35,003
August 1998,
528
00:22:35,033 --> 00:22:36,253
President Clinton
was set to testify
529
00:22:36,283 --> 00:22:39,023
before Ken Starr's prosecutors
in a grand jury
530
00:22:39,050 --> 00:22:41,180
looking into allegations
of obstruction of justice
531
00:22:41,216 --> 00:22:42,316
and perjury.
532
00:22:42,350 --> 00:22:45,330
He knew they had that blue
Gap dress and his DNA,
533
00:22:45,366 --> 00:22:48,066
and there'd be no more
denying the affair,
534
00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:49,270
but like every other moment
535
00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:51,230
in this Clinton/Lewinsky saga,
536
00:22:51,266 --> 00:22:54,076
nothing would go quite
as anticipated.
537
00:22:54,116 --> 00:22:56,376
Larry: Would you know
why he would not have had
538
00:22:56,416 --> 00:22:59,176
a sexual act of the kind
we're talking
539
00:22:59,216 --> 00:23:01,326
with Ms. Lewinsky?
540
00:23:01,366 --> 00:23:03,266
'Course, she certainly,
in her testimony,
541
00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:05,300
said that
she was amenable.
542
00:23:05,333 --> 00:23:09,083
Bill came to me one evening
way into our relationship --
543
00:23:09,116 --> 00:23:10,316
several years after
it had started --
544
00:23:10,350 --> 00:23:13,130
and told me that he had found
something in the bible
545
00:23:13,166 --> 00:23:16,276
that led him to believe
that oral sex
546
00:23:16,316 --> 00:23:20,176
did not determine that someone
had committed adultery.
547
00:23:20,216 --> 00:23:22,276
At which time, I said,
"Don't be ridiculous,"
548
00:23:22,316 --> 00:23:25,126
and do not want -- you know,
don't even discuss that with me.
549
00:23:25,166 --> 00:23:27,176
I'm not gonna go there.
550
00:23:27,216 --> 00:23:32,276
So, if he truly believes that,
and I think he does,
551
00:23:32,316 --> 00:23:34,226
he then felt, I guess,
552
00:23:34,266 --> 00:23:36,316
that he was not
committing adultery.
553
00:23:36,350 --> 00:23:38,450
Man: Grand jury's
in session.
554
00:23:38,483 --> 00:23:42,453
♪♪
555
00:23:42,483 --> 00:23:45,373
I think when it came to
preparing for the testimony,
556
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,150
there was a lot of discussion.
557
00:23:47,183 --> 00:23:49,273
First, should he testify?
558
00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:52,080
Should he try to exert
executive privilege?
559
00:23:52,116 --> 00:23:54,276
Should he take
the fifth amendment?
560
00:23:54,316 --> 00:23:57,126
And -- And all of those
suggestions were rejected
561
00:23:57,166 --> 00:23:58,416
by -- by him,
562
00:23:58,450 --> 00:24:00,370
and they wouldn't have
gone down very well
563
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,170
with the American public.
564
00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:10,476
I do.
565
00:24:11,016 --> 00:24:12,396
Bill Clinton insisted
566
00:24:12,433 --> 00:24:15,103
on doing a video deposition,
567
00:24:15,133 --> 00:24:19,003
but that may have been
a political miscalculation
568
00:24:19,033 --> 00:24:23,473
because that video tape
of his deposition
569
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,230
turned out to be one
of the defining memories
570
00:24:26,266 --> 00:24:27,296
of his presidency.
571
00:24:27,333 --> 00:24:29,003
Wisenberg: Good afternoon,
Mr. President.
572
00:24:29,033 --> 00:24:30,273
Good afternoon.
573
00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:32,020
Would you please
state your full name
574
00:24:32,050 --> 00:24:32,480
for the record, sir?
575
00:24:33,016 --> 00:24:34,246
William Jefferson Clinton.
576
00:24:34,283 --> 00:24:38,203
Wisenberg: The people
who seek to demonize Ken Starr
577
00:24:38,233 --> 00:24:41,023
and say that he was out
to destroy the president,
578
00:24:41,050 --> 00:24:44,170
many of them don't know
about an interesting fact.
579
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,380
King: When Bill Clinton sat in
that chair and took that oath,
580
00:24:46,416 --> 00:24:49,146
he knew, not everything,
581
00:24:49,183 --> 00:24:52,233
but he knew the highlights
of what Ken Starr knew.
582
00:24:52,266 --> 00:24:56,046
Judge Starr kind of made
it clear through channels,
583
00:24:56,083 --> 00:24:58,333
"Don't lie in your
grand jury testimony.
584
00:24:58,366 --> 00:24:59,476
We know what happened."
585
00:25:00,016 --> 00:25:01,466
He didn't have to do that.
586
00:25:02,016 --> 00:25:04,996
I did not wish to do the work
of the Jones' lawyers.
587
00:25:05,033 --> 00:25:07,103
I deplored what they were doing.
588
00:25:07,133 --> 00:25:09,123
Did I want this to come out? No.
589
00:25:09,150 --> 00:25:11,280
Was I embarrassed about it? Yes.
590
00:25:11,316 --> 00:25:14,346
Now, a big mistake we made was,
591
00:25:14,383 --> 00:25:16,483
we agreed to
a four-hour time limit.
592
00:25:17,016 --> 00:25:19,466
We knew the president was going
to give very long answers,
593
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,380
which he's very good at,
594
00:25:21,416 --> 00:25:24,996
and so that limited
what we could do
595
00:25:25,033 --> 00:25:27,303
in terms of trying to get
to the bottom of what happened.
596
00:25:27,333 --> 00:25:31,353
I engaged in conduct
that was wrong.
597
00:25:31,383 --> 00:25:36,083
These encounters did not
consist of sexual intercourse.
598
00:25:36,116 --> 00:25:38,126
They did not constitute
sexual relations
599
00:25:38,166 --> 00:25:41,366
as I understood that term
to be defined at
600
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:47,270
my January 17, 1998, deposition,
601
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:49,170
but they did involve
602
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,450
inappropriate intimate contact.
603
00:25:51,483 --> 00:25:54,033
His entire argument was
based on the fact that,
604
00:25:54,066 --> 00:25:57,246
according to
his definition of sex,
605
00:25:57,283 --> 00:25:58,473
he hadn't had any with Monica.
606
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,150
And I said, "You knew when
your lawyer said that, that,
607
00:26:02,183 --> 00:26:05,223
'There is no sex of any kind,'
that that was false,
608
00:26:05,250 --> 00:26:07,170
and you did that in front
of a federal judge,"
609
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,280
and that's when the president
kind of cocked his head
610
00:26:09,316 --> 00:26:10,476
and looked at me and said...
611
00:26:11,016 --> 00:26:16,376
It depends upon what
the meaning of the word "is" is.
612
00:26:16,416 --> 00:26:18,316
Top advisers describe
the president
613
00:26:18,350 --> 00:26:20,130
as contrite but confident,
614
00:26:20,166 --> 00:26:21,166
most of all,
615
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,270
eager to get his testimony
over with.
616
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:26,020
The minute he testified,
the president also had to make
617
00:26:26,050 --> 00:26:28,480
something of an apology
to the public.
618
00:26:29,016 --> 00:26:31,466
Larry:
Tonight, a critical moment
in American History --
619
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,320
In one hour,
President Clinton speaks
620
00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:36,330
to the nation live
from the White House.
621
00:26:36,366 --> 00:26:38,376
Knowing the president as I do,
which is pretty well,
622
00:26:38,416 --> 00:26:41,316
I suspect that, right now,
he's in a room by himself
623
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:43,470
and is making his own notes
and -- and -- and --
624
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,300
and working on --
working on it right to the end.
625
00:26:46,333 --> 00:26:49,183
Man: In about 5 seconds.
626
00:26:49,216 --> 00:26:50,476
[ Inhales deeply ]
627
00:26:54,466 --> 00:26:56,316
Good evening.
628
00:26:56,350 --> 00:27:00,020
This afternoon, in this room,
from this chair,
629
00:27:00,050 --> 00:27:02,450
I testified before the office
of Independent Counsel
630
00:27:02,483 --> 00:27:04,453
and the grand jury.
631
00:27:04,483 --> 00:27:07,403
I answered their questions
truthfully,
632
00:27:07,433 --> 00:27:10,473
including questions
about my private life,
633
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,270
questions no American citizen
would ever want to answer.
634
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,380
Andersen: The president offered
a very strange apology.
635
00:27:17,416 --> 00:27:20,246
He said he'd acted
inappropriately.
636
00:27:20,283 --> 00:27:22,073
Indeed, I did have
a relationship
637
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,450
with Ms. Lewinsky
that was not appropriate.
638
00:27:24,483 --> 00:27:27,083
In fact, it was wrong.
639
00:27:27,116 --> 00:27:28,466
I misled people,
640
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,080
including even my wife.
641
00:27:32,116 --> 00:27:34,176
I deeply regret that.
[ Crowd murmurs ]
642
00:27:34,216 --> 00:27:37,376
If you listen to it,
you'll see that he's somebody
643
00:27:37,416 --> 00:27:39,346
who's -- who's got to
admit something that --
644
00:27:39,383 --> 00:27:41,233
that is an embarrassment to him.
645
00:27:41,266 --> 00:27:45,046
I can only tell you
I was motivated by many factors.
646
00:27:45,083 --> 00:27:48,223
First,
by a desire to protect myself
647
00:27:48,250 --> 00:27:51,030
from the embarrassment
of my own conduct.
648
00:27:51,066 --> 00:27:54,076
He needed a reason
for not telling the truth,
649
00:27:54,116 --> 00:27:56,446
and Bill Clinton's reason
was that he was under attack.
650
00:27:56,483 --> 00:27:59,103
Now this matter is between me,
651
00:27:59,133 --> 00:28:01,133
the two people I love most,
652
00:28:01,166 --> 00:28:03,226
my wife and our daughter,
653
00:28:03,266 --> 00:28:05,166
and our God.
654
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,020
Thank you for watching
655
00:28:07,050 --> 00:28:08,400
and good night.
656
00:28:10,150 --> 00:28:11,200
James Carville.
657
00:28:11,233 --> 00:28:13,103
He -- He had to come out
and admit that what --
658
00:28:13,133 --> 00:28:14,053
what he did was wrong.
659
00:28:14,083 --> 00:28:15,233
He said that
he misled people.
660
00:28:15,266 --> 00:28:16,396
He said
he misled his wife.
661
00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:18,373
Penn: After he made the speech,
I came over.
662
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,300
It was a small group,
Hillary, and Chelsea.
663
00:28:21,333 --> 00:28:23,253
Sesno: Hillary helped him,
664
00:28:23,283 --> 00:28:26,173
supposedly, draft
or put this thing together,
665
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,400
what he was going to say.
666
00:28:27,433 --> 00:28:29,053
Can you imagine?
667
00:28:29,083 --> 00:28:30,433
Solis Doyle: I've known her
for close to 30 years,
668
00:28:30,466 --> 00:28:36,396
and I have never seen her as
angry and as dejected as I had
669
00:28:36,433 --> 00:28:38,003
during those days.
670
00:28:38,033 --> 00:28:39,123
I thought to myself,
671
00:28:39,150 --> 00:28:42,000
if they had not been president
and First Lady,
672
00:28:42,033 --> 00:28:45,053
she would've left him.
673
00:28:45,083 --> 00:28:47,283
Andersen: The next day,
the family was off
674
00:28:47,316 --> 00:28:49,476
on its summer vacation
at Martha's Vineyard.
675
00:28:50,016 --> 00:28:52,066
Never forget that walk
to the helicopter.
676
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:54,350
Andersen: It's Chelsea
who makes a point of grabbing
677
00:28:54,383 --> 00:28:57,323
both her mother's
and father's hands.
678
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:59,180
That was just a powerful moment.
679
00:28:59,216 --> 00:29:02,016
Solis Doyle: The image
of Chelsea literally
680
00:29:02,050 --> 00:29:03,400
and figuratively keeping them
681
00:29:03,433 --> 00:29:05,233
together is just striking.
682
00:29:05,266 --> 00:29:08,296
Hillary: I had
to really figure out
683
00:29:08,333 --> 00:29:10,423
how I was going
to keep going.
684
00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:12,220
You know,
on the one hand,
685
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:16,380
I had this horrible
personal betrayal
686
00:29:16,416 --> 00:29:18,126
that I had to deal with.
687
00:29:18,166 --> 00:29:20,316
On the other hand,
he was not only my husband.
688
00:29:20,350 --> 00:29:21,400
He was my president,
689
00:29:21,433 --> 00:29:25,153
and I thought what
was being done to him
690
00:29:25,183 --> 00:29:27,073
was really out of bounds.
691
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:30,100
♪♪
692
00:29:30,133 --> 00:29:32,433
This has been a stunning,
some might say,
693
00:29:32,466 --> 00:29:34,396
shocking day
in Washington.
694
00:29:34,433 --> 00:29:36,483
The Independent Counsel's
report to Congress
695
00:29:37,016 --> 00:29:38,216
has been made public.
696
00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:40,100
There are stories
697
00:29:40,133 --> 00:29:43,383
of the president
receiving oral sex.
698
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:51,220
Bill: I agree with those
who have said that,
699
00:29:51,250 --> 00:29:53,380
in my first statement
after I testified,
700
00:29:53,416 --> 00:29:57,216
I was not contrite enough.
701
00:29:57,250 --> 00:30:00,400
I don't think there is
a fancy way to say
702
00:30:00,433 --> 00:30:02,023
that I have sinned.
703
00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:04,020
♪♪
704
00:30:04,050 --> 00:30:06,380
Today's Main Development --
Ken Starr's report.
705
00:30:06,416 --> 00:30:08,076
Woman: It is a day
in Washington,
706
00:30:08,116 --> 00:30:10,126
the likes of which
I think is fair to say,
707
00:30:10,166 --> 00:30:13,166
none of us
has ever seen.
708
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,280
Sesno: Starr investigation
is complete.
709
00:30:14,316 --> 00:30:15,476
Starr comes out,
and here are 11 --
710
00:30:16,016 --> 00:30:17,996
11 reasons to impeach
the president --
711
00:30:18,033 --> 00:30:20,373
obstruction of justice, perjury.
712
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,270
I mean, you know,
on and on it goes.
713
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:25,430
The report got a police escort
714
00:30:25,466 --> 00:30:27,326
from Ken Starr's office
715
00:30:27,366 --> 00:30:30,076
up to Capitol Hill.
716
00:30:30,116 --> 00:30:35,046
It was very lurid details
about the encounters
717
00:30:35,083 --> 00:30:36,173
between the president
718
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,150
and Monica Lewinsky.
719
00:30:38,183 --> 00:30:39,373
It was uncomfortable.
720
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,120
Judge Starr's report
is 445 pages
721
00:30:43,150 --> 00:30:45,200
filled with complex arguments,
722
00:30:45,233 --> 00:30:47,183
excruciating detail,
723
00:30:47,216 --> 00:30:49,326
and graphic description.
724
00:30:49,366 --> 00:30:52,196
Candy Crowley was our
Congressional correspondent,
725
00:30:52,233 --> 00:30:57,303
and it was her job to be at
a desktop computer reading it,
726
00:30:57,333 --> 00:31:00,273
including some of the most
awkward paragraphs
727
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:01,370
in that Starr Report.
728
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,180
W-We're going page by page.
729
00:31:03,216 --> 00:31:05,426
He touched her genitals,
both through her underwear
730
00:31:05,466 --> 00:31:06,466
and directly,
731
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,120
bringing her to orgasm
on two occasions.
732
00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:13,000
Sesno: We were placed in some
very, very awkward positions.
733
00:31:13,033 --> 00:31:15,223
We never reported
on oral sex before.
734
00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:17,050
There are stories
735
00:31:17,083 --> 00:31:20,283
of the president
receiving oral sex
736
00:31:20,316 --> 00:31:22,276
while talking on the phone
to a congressman
737
00:31:22,316 --> 00:31:23,416
during the government shutdown.
738
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:25,020
It is that sort of thing.
739
00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:26,120
It was shocking.
740
00:31:26,150 --> 00:31:28,170
And after phone sex one night,
741
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,120
she says the p-president
fell asleep "mid-conversation."
742
00:31:32,150 --> 00:31:33,480
Well, I'll be glad
to get on with politics
743
00:31:34,016 --> 00:31:35,076
after this, I'll tell you.
744
00:31:35,116 --> 00:31:38,466
I sat down with a group
of middle schoolers,
745
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,220
and they had heard everything.
746
00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:44,350
I remember the part where
they were having this DNA thing
747
00:31:44,383 --> 00:31:48,003
on Monica Lewinsky's dress.
748
00:31:48,033 --> 00:31:49,053
Were you upset at all
749
00:31:49,083 --> 00:31:51,373
the sexual references
in the Starr Report,
750
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,380
all of the details of it?
Oh.
751
00:31:54,416 --> 00:31:56,126
Yes, of course.
752
00:31:56,166 --> 00:31:58,366
It was humiliating
to have to give
753
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,170
those details under oath
754
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,050
so just even
being deposed
755
00:32:03,083 --> 00:32:05,303
and being asked questions
like that,
756
00:32:05,333 --> 00:32:09,083
but for them -- for them
to be disseminated in a way
757
00:32:09,116 --> 00:32:11,196
knowing that people
were reading them,
758
00:32:11,233 --> 00:32:13,153
you just --
759
00:32:13,183 --> 00:32:16,323
you just feel naked
in front of the whole world.
760
00:32:16,350 --> 00:32:21,030
You can see that entire report
at CNN.com.
761
00:32:21,066 --> 00:32:24,126
I let this country down,
762
00:32:24,166 --> 00:32:26,266
but I'm trying to make it right,
763
00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:27,320
and I'm determined never
764
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:29,200
to let anything like that
happen again.
765
00:32:29,233 --> 00:32:32,023
Penn: There were several
key strategies
766
00:32:32,050 --> 00:32:34,300
that would be developed
in terms of handling this.
767
00:32:34,333 --> 00:32:37,183
One of those strategies
was to make sure
768
00:32:37,216 --> 00:32:39,266
that people felt confident
that the presidency
769
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:41,200
could operate
in this environment.
770
00:32:41,233 --> 00:32:44,203
One of the phrases that we got
sick and tired of hearing is,
771
00:32:44,233 --> 00:32:46,173
"Well, we're not going
to respond to that
772
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,170
because we are too busy doing
the people's business."
773
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,100
I need to keep working
on the people's business.
774
00:32:52,133 --> 00:32:53,223
That's what I intend to do.
775
00:32:53,250 --> 00:32:55,080
The people's business.
The people's business.
776
00:32:55,116 --> 00:32:56,196
We've got to go back
to -- to --
777
00:32:56,233 --> 00:32:57,283
to doing the people's business.
778
00:32:57,316 --> 00:32:58,996
That was an effective line.
779
00:32:59,033 --> 00:33:01,323
Clearly, it -- it resonated
with the American public.
780
00:33:01,350 --> 00:33:02,480
Hillary: I must say,
the American people
781
00:33:03,016 --> 00:33:05,296
got it straight and right
from the very beginning.
782
00:33:05,333 --> 00:33:09,183
They understood that
this was between us
783
00:33:09,216 --> 00:33:12,066
as it would have been
between them in a marriage
784
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:14,070
and that what was important
is the job
785
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:16,200
that Bill was doing
as president.
786
00:33:16,233 --> 00:33:20,083
Morris: Only 40% after Lewinsky
thought he was a good person,
787
00:33:20,116 --> 00:33:22,316
but 60% thought
he was a good president.
788
00:33:22,350 --> 00:33:24,170
The Republicans smelled blood.
789
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,320
They thought that people
would be revolted
790
00:33:26,350 --> 00:33:29,080
by what Bill Clinton did,
and they were.
791
00:33:29,116 --> 00:33:32,066
Be honest, it reads like --
like soft porn.
792
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:33,250
But then they overreached.
793
00:33:33,283 --> 00:33:35,123
After a little while,
794
00:33:35,150 --> 00:33:38,170
the public was like,
"What is this?
795
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,400
Why -- Why are we even
talking about this?"
796
00:33:40,433 --> 00:33:44,373
The real mistake was on the part
of the Republicans
797
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,430
and Congress who used this
798
00:33:46,466 --> 00:33:49,226
as the basis for impeachment.
799
00:33:49,266 --> 00:33:52,096
The house debate on impeachment
is scheduled to begin
800
00:33:52,133 --> 00:33:53,203
less than an hour from now.
801
00:33:53,233 --> 00:33:55,303
We must stay together
as a family!
802
00:33:55,333 --> 00:33:57,303
If you ran into Monica...
Yeah.
803
00:33:57,333 --> 00:34:00,173
...would there be
any apology?
804
00:34:04,466 --> 00:34:07,396
Hillary: I knew what
was being attempted
805
00:34:07,433 --> 00:34:11,383
against this president
was absolutely out of line
806
00:34:11,416 --> 00:34:13,166
with what the founders
had thought,
807
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,400
what people had
always believed
808
00:34:15,433 --> 00:34:18,333
was the basis for
Constitutional impeachment.
809
00:34:18,366 --> 00:34:21,196
It was several weeks
after Congress
810
00:34:21,233 --> 00:34:23,323
had received Ken Starr's report
811
00:34:23,350 --> 00:34:27,280
that the house began
impeachment proceedings.
812
00:34:27,316 --> 00:34:30,446
There's only one precedent
for modern impeachment,
813
00:34:30,483 --> 00:34:33,403
1974, Richard Nixon,
814
00:34:33,433 --> 00:34:36,383
and
the House Judiciary Committee
815
00:34:36,416 --> 00:34:38,426
sort of set up procedures,
816
00:34:38,466 --> 00:34:42,376
and one of the lawyers
on the staff
817
00:34:42,416 --> 00:34:45,096
was young Hillary Rodham,
818
00:34:45,133 --> 00:34:49,003
and Hillary Rodham
set up procedures
819
00:34:49,033 --> 00:34:50,353
that a generation later
820
00:34:50,383 --> 00:34:53,433
were used to orchestrate
821
00:34:53,466 --> 00:34:55,426
the impeachment of her husband.
822
00:34:55,466 --> 00:34:57,376
Not piety nor tears
823
00:34:57,416 --> 00:34:59,466
nor whit nor torment
824
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,170
can alter what I have done.
825
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,130
The public consequences
of my actions
826
00:35:05,166 --> 00:35:06,426
are in the hands
of the American people
827
00:35:06,466 --> 00:35:10,366
and their representatives
in the Congress.
828
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,130
Should they determine
that my errors of word and deed
829
00:35:13,166 --> 00:35:16,016
require their rebuke
and censure,
830
00:35:16,050 --> 00:35:18,200
I am ready to accept that.
831
00:35:18,233 --> 00:35:20,353
The accusations,
the evidence, and the arguments
832
00:35:20,383 --> 00:35:21,473
have set the stage now
833
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,380
for a very momentous debate
on Capitol Hill --
834
00:35:24,416 --> 00:35:26,366
that debate over
whether president
835
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,170
William Jefferson Clinton
should be impeached.
836
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,300
Man: A resolution impeaching
William Jefferson Clinton,
837
00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:34,303
President of the United States
838
00:35:34,333 --> 00:35:38,103
for high crimes
and misdemeanors.
839
00:35:38,133 --> 00:35:39,373
Graham: Let it be said
that any president
840
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,300
who cheats our institutions
shall be impeached.
841
00:35:42,333 --> 00:35:45,153
My God, what kind of country
842
00:35:45,183 --> 00:35:46,383
are we becoming?
843
00:35:46,416 --> 00:35:49,046
We must stay together
as a family,
844
00:35:49,083 --> 00:35:51,023
one house, one family,
845
00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:55,130
the American house,
the American family!
846
00:35:55,166 --> 00:35:57,276
We were kind of glued
to the TV sets
847
00:35:57,316 --> 00:35:58,416
as everyone else.
848
00:35:58,450 --> 00:36:01,430
President is now in
the residence behind me.
849
00:36:01,466 --> 00:36:04,366
I used to say to myself,
"Wow, I've really got
850
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,020
a front-row seat to history
right now."
851
00:36:07,050 --> 00:36:09,480
♪♪
852
00:36:10,016 --> 00:36:11,316
Bill: Now it is up
to the members
853
00:36:11,350 --> 00:36:13,230
of the House of Representatives
854
00:36:13,266 --> 00:36:15,426
to vote their conscience
on the Constitution
855
00:36:15,466 --> 00:36:17,146
and the law,
856
00:36:17,183 --> 00:36:20,173
which I believe are clear,
857
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,070
and I have no intention
of resigning.
858
00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:24,320
It's never crossed my mind.
859
00:36:24,350 --> 00:36:26,400
Judd: Ultimately,
the House voted
860
00:36:26,433 --> 00:36:30,123
to impeach Mr. Clinton
on two charges --
861
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:32,000
one, perjury,
862
00:36:32,033 --> 00:36:34,123
and two, obstruction of justice.
863
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:35,270
Woman: There it is.
864
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:38,030
President
William Jefferson Clinton
865
00:36:38,066 --> 00:36:39,396
is now the second President
866
00:36:39,433 --> 00:36:41,433
in the history
of the United States
867
00:36:41,466 --> 00:36:43,366
to be impeached
868
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,480
by the House of Representatives.
869
00:36:47,016 --> 00:36:49,096
Now this goes to trial.
870
00:36:49,133 --> 00:36:50,483
The Senate trial was
871
00:36:51,016 --> 00:36:53,076
basically a big anticlimax
872
00:36:53,116 --> 00:36:55,116
because it was quite clear
873
00:36:55,150 --> 00:36:59,000
that the Senate would never
have 66 votes, two-thirds,
874
00:36:59,033 --> 00:37:01,133
to force Bill Clinton
out of office.
875
00:37:01,166 --> 00:37:04,166
♪♪
876
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,100
Man: It is therefore
ordered and adjudged
877
00:37:06,133 --> 00:37:08,103
that the said
William Jefferson Clinton be,
878
00:37:08,133 --> 00:37:10,233
and he hereby is,
acquitted of the charges
879
00:37:10,266 --> 00:37:12,226
in the said articles.
880
00:37:12,266 --> 00:37:14,416
We all have our own opinions
of the president,
881
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:17,150
but under our system,
impeachment is hard.
882
00:37:17,183 --> 00:37:20,183
It was meant to be hard,
and it's over.
883
00:37:20,216 --> 00:37:24,216
What did you think, Paula
Jones,
of the vote in the Senate?
884
00:37:24,250 --> 00:37:27,430
Well, I'm -- I'm disappointed,
to say the least.
885
00:37:27,466 --> 00:37:30,096
Penn: I remember
we called the president
886
00:37:30,133 --> 00:37:31,473
to say it was over now,
887
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,200
and he said, "Well, you know,
888
00:37:34,233 --> 00:37:36,053
should I go out
and give a statement?"
889
00:37:36,083 --> 00:37:40,033
And I think America wanted
closure at that point.
890
00:37:40,066 --> 00:37:44,246
I want to say again
to the American people...
891
00:37:44,283 --> 00:37:49,273
how profoundly sorry I am
for what I said and did
892
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:52,330
to trigger these events
893
00:37:52,366 --> 00:37:54,216
and the great burden
they have imposed
894
00:37:54,250 --> 00:37:56,000
on the Congress
895
00:37:56,033 --> 00:37:58,433
and on the American people.
896
00:37:58,466 --> 00:38:01,196
This can be...
897
00:38:01,233 --> 00:38:03,433
and this must be,
898
00:38:03,466 --> 00:38:06,366
a time of reconciliation
899
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,380
and renewal for America.
900
00:38:10,416 --> 00:38:12,176
Thank you very much.
901
00:38:21,066 --> 00:38:25,076
I believe any person
who asks for forgiveness...
902
00:38:25,116 --> 00:38:28,166
has to be prepared to give it.
903
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,070
♪♪
904
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:33,250
Man: Do you feel
vindicated, sir?
905
00:38:33,283 --> 00:38:35,033
Isikoff: There were so many
points along the way
906
00:38:35,066 --> 00:38:38,316
where all of this could have
been avoided, you know.
907
00:38:38,350 --> 00:38:41,420
We can start with Bill Clinton
908
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:46,280
summoning Paula Jones to
his hotel room back in 1991.
909
00:38:46,316 --> 00:38:50,116
Had he settled
the Paula Jones lawsuit,
910
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:52,470
had Bill Clinton told the truth
in his deposition,
911
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,180
had he told the truth
after his deposition,
912
00:38:56,216 --> 00:39:03,146
he probably could've spared
the country a lot of turmoil.
913
00:39:03,183 --> 00:39:05,353
Man: Mr. President,
do you have any thoughts on it
914
00:39:05,383 --> 00:39:07,103
that you can share
with us that --
915
00:39:07,133 --> 00:39:10,323
that perhaps might
bring closure to this?
916
00:39:10,350 --> 00:39:14,300
The irony is, the person
who had the least impact
917
00:39:14,333 --> 00:39:17,423
on his historical memory
918
00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:19,100
was Bill Clinton.
919
00:39:19,133 --> 00:39:23,003
And I hope that
the efforts that I have made
920
00:39:23,033 --> 00:39:27,183
and that I continue to make
every day at home and at work
921
00:39:27,216 --> 00:39:28,426
will bear fruit.
922
00:39:28,466 --> 00:39:30,076
Goldberg: Bill Clinton,
923
00:39:30,116 --> 00:39:32,366
he was a naughty, naughty boy.
924
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,220
He shouldn't have done that,
925
00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:35,480
and he got caught.
926
00:39:36,016 --> 00:39:38,426
This was a pretty tough thing
for everybody involved.
927
00:39:38,466 --> 00:39:41,146
Larry: 73% percent
of Americans considered
928
00:39:41,183 --> 00:39:43,473
Starr a loser
right after the Senate acquittal
929
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,070
of President Clinton.
930
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:46,320
How do you
react to that?
931
00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:50,450
Toobin: Starr went into
this investigation thinking
932
00:39:50,483 --> 00:39:52,253
that he would be a hero,
933
00:39:52,283 --> 00:39:56,433
and he turned into
a completely partisan figure.
934
00:39:56,466 --> 00:40:02,076
Well, my the reaction is --
is that judges and lawyers
935
00:40:02,116 --> 00:40:05,126
should not be following
opinion polls.
936
00:40:05,166 --> 00:40:06,476
Morris:
Was in the Justice Department,
937
00:40:07,016 --> 00:40:08,326
in line for the Supreme Court,
938
00:40:08,366 --> 00:40:11,066
and then he was asked
to take this job
939
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:14,270
as Special Prosecutor that
destroyed his entire career,
940
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:16,220
and he became a villain
941
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:19,180
for the rest of his life.
942
00:40:19,216 --> 00:40:21,316
Larry: You think
you changed this country?
Oh, heavens.
943
00:40:21,350 --> 00:40:23,030
Are you saying this presidency,
do you think?
944
00:40:23,066 --> 00:40:24,476
No, I mean, look.
Certainly a big player.
945
00:40:25,016 --> 00:40:27,116
I'm sorry, I believe
he tarnished the presidency.
946
00:40:27,150 --> 00:40:29,320
I think the country, at least,
realizes that much.
947
00:40:29,350 --> 00:40:32,030
Linda made a very good marriage.
948
00:40:32,066 --> 00:40:34,376
She lives in a small town
in Virginia.
949
00:40:34,416 --> 00:40:39,196
They own a shop there,
and she has a nice life.
950
00:40:39,233 --> 00:40:41,103
If you ran into Monica...
Yeah.
951
00:40:41,133 --> 00:40:43,373
...would there be
any apology?
952
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,420
I would want to
give Monica a hug.
953
00:40:46,450 --> 00:40:49,370
Judd: 20 years later,
I would say that the person
954
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,300
who paid the biggest price,
955
00:40:51,333 --> 00:40:54,283
the most long-lasting price,
956
00:40:54,316 --> 00:40:57,066
was Monica Lewinsky, herself.
957
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:58,380
You know,
I was exploited, I think,
958
00:40:58,416 --> 00:41:01,416
for no other reason
but a political agenda.
959
00:41:01,450 --> 00:41:04,120
She paid quite a high price
for a long time,
960
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:07,020
and I feel badly for that,
961
00:41:07,050 --> 00:41:10,370
so I just hope it works out
all right.
962
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,130
Do you equate with yourself
that you're a part of history?
963
00:41:14,166 --> 00:41:15,196
Lewinsky: No. I --
No, you don't think that --
964
00:41:15,233 --> 00:41:17,123
You're going to be studied
in textbooks.
965
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:21,200
I think that sort of
not recognizing
966
00:41:21,233 --> 00:41:23,483
the -- the overall
grandness of it
967
00:41:24,016 --> 00:41:25,426
in terms of history is --
is, I guess,
968
00:41:25,466 --> 00:41:27,116
a little immature,
and so I do,
969
00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:29,080
but I -- I try to not
pay attention to it
970
00:41:29,116 --> 00:41:30,316
because it's just --
971
00:41:30,350 --> 00:41:33,050
It's too awesome in a sense,
and I --
972
00:41:33,083 --> 00:41:36,403
I really hope that...
as time goes on,
973
00:41:36,433 --> 00:41:39,133
it will become a shorter
and shorter footnote
974
00:41:39,166 --> 00:41:41,026
in the history books.
975
00:41:43,216 --> 00:41:46,066
Today, the Clintons remain
among the most prominent
976
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:48,050
and influential couples
in the world.
977
00:41:48,083 --> 00:41:50,323
Monica Lewinsky has tried
to move on with her life,
978
00:41:50,350 --> 00:41:53,480
getting a graduate degree
and writing forVanity Fair,
979
00:41:54,016 --> 00:41:56,376
and recently she became
an advocate for anti-bullying,
980
00:41:56,416 --> 00:42:00,346
calling herself patient zero
of Internet shaming.
981
00:42:00,383 --> 00:42:02,123
Thanks for watching.
982
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:03,300
Good night.
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