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Larry:
Do you feel like a victim?
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Lewinsky: No, I don't.
How do you feel?
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What do you --
In this whole story,
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Monica Lewinsky is what?
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Uh, um...
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I think she's a young woman
who made some private mistakes
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and who's very sorry
for those mistakes,
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but was also part
of some other forces
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that she certainly
couldn't control.
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Welcome to
"How It Really Happened."
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I'm Hill Harper.
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It was an affair that nearly
toppled a presidency --
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A 21-year-old
White House intern
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and the married leader
of the free world.
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Their scandal would make
household names of Linda Tripp
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and Ken Starr
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and it would change how the
media covers the president,
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and it would forever
change the way
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we think about blue Gap dresses.
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Tonight,
the unbelievable story
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of Bill Clinton
and Monica Lewinsky --
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what happened behind
closed doors
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and the details
of an intricate trap
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set by his foes
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that President Clinton
walked right into.
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Believe it or not, the story
first broke on the Internet
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on a then relatively
little-known Website
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called "The Drudge Report."
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This is
"How It Really Happened."
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Larry: Tonight,
the Clinton White House
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faces a huge crisis
over another allegation
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of sexual impropriety
by the President.
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Oh, my God.
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This was a thunderclap
of monumental proportions.
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On you go to Washington,
your first job there is?
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I was an intern.
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Franken: This was a major story.
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We're talking about an intern
in the White House.
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Van Susteren: The reports allege
Clinton had a year
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and a half affair
with a white House intern
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and then allegedly tried
to get her to lie about it.
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It was just so stunning.
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At issue, did the president
of the United States
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participate
in a conspiracy?
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I just thought,
"Oh, God. No."
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We wondered,
"How is he going to react?"
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I never imagined
in my wildest dreams
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it was going to go
in this direction.
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We're back
with Monica Lewinsky.
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What was the thumb thing?
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Oh.
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She's lied either before
or she's lying now.
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Press: Truth and consequences --
Who's telling the truth,
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and what are the consequences
for President Clinton?
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The story that becomes
Bill Clinton's impeachment
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begins at the registration desk
in a Little Rock hotel,
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long before he becomes President
of the United States.
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The lawsuit is called
Paula Corbin Jones
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plaintiff versus
William Jefferson Clinton.
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This was an allegation
of sexual harassment.
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Cammarata: Paula Jones claimed
that she was working
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as an Arkansas state employee
at a conference.
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Governor Bill Clinton
was speaking.
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Isikoff: She said she gets
summoned by the trooper
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to go up
to the hotel room,
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and at that point,
Bill Clinton proceeded
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to make unsolicited
sexual advances.
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The allegations
about President Bill Clinton
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were salacious,
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and they were unending.
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He pulled me and started
running his hand up my leg,
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and he tried
to kiss on my neck.
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Cammarata: He wound up
sitting down at a couch
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and exposed himself
and asked her to kiss him.
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Woodruff:
And what did you do then?
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Oh, I stood straight up.
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I jumped up and I said,
"I am not that kind of girl,"
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and I said, "I need
to be leaving immediately."
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Cammarata: On May 6, 1994,
we filed a lawsuit
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on behalf of Paula Jones
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against the President
of the United States
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for acts that we believed
were violative of her rights.
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This case is about character
and integrity.
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This case is about the powerful
taking advantage of the weak.
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Paula Jones is seeking
$700,000 in damage.
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Cammarata: Bill Clinton's
response
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was to deny anything
of the sort.
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He, through his agency,
maligned Paula Jones,
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said that she was
just after money,
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fame, fortune, and she was just,
in essence, trailer-park trash.
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This complaint is tabloid trash
with a legal caption on it.
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Cammarata: One of the civil
lawsuits against Michael Jackson
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had just settled,
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and one of the tactics that the
plaintiffs used in that case
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was a purported description
of Michael Jackson's penis,
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and Paula Jones' lawyers said,
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"Okay, let's use
the same tactic."
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As to avoid
that "he said, she said,"
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I made inquiry of Paula,
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as to whether or not
there were
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any distinguishing
characteristics
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in Clinton's genital area.
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Which mostly had the effect
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of just being deeply humiliating
to the President.
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It, quite frankly, was kind of
a perverse PR strategy.
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Andersen:
The Paula Jones lawsuit
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dragged on seemingly forever.
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Franken: It was a combination
of legal maneuvers
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that went on
for several years.
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Andersen: There were a number
of opportunities
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to settle the case,
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but it was something that
Hillary was not willing to do.
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She didn't want that
kind of black mark
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on her husband's presidency.
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Penn: One day, after
the '96 presidential election,
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the president essentially sat me
down in the oval office,
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and he said, "You know,
there are some people
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who think I should settle
this Paula Jones suit."
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I said, "Look, I think you'd be
better of settling it,"
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that everything was going well
in the presidency.
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We'd won reelection.
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There was no reason to have this
hanging around,
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and he, of course,
in the end didn't do that.
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Cammarata: It was a big mistake
on the part of Bill Clinton
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not to settle the case.
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Morris: This entire mess
with Monica Lewinsky
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and impeachment
would never have happened
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if he had settled that lawsuit.
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I remember talking to
Joe Cammarata about the case.
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This was a couple of years
after it got filed and said,
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"You know, it's unlikely you'll
ever be able to prove this
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unless there are other women
out there
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who will say
they had similar experiences."
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Cammarata says,
"Well, what if we got one?"
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And I said, "Do tell."
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Cammarata: There was one day
that I received a telephone call
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from a woman who would not
give me her name,
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and she said that she had
something happen to her
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that was similar to what
had happened to Paula Jones.
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Through some detective work,
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I was ultimately able
to figure out
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that this was most likely
a woman named Kathleen Willey.
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Andersen: Kathleen Willey
was a friend of Bill's,
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and in 1993,
she went to Bill for a job,
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and instead, she later claimed
Bill made his move on her.
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He hugged me,
which was not unusual.
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He's like that, and, you know,
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the hug lasted
a little too long,
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and he acted pretty badly.
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Isikoff: I went to see her
and I said,
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"Are there others you spoke to
about this at the time?"
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And she said, "Yeah,
there was this woman
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who worked in the White House,
who I told about it right away,"
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and she said her name
was Linda Tripp.
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He said, "Kathleen Willey
has named you
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as a contemporaneous
corroborative witness
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in her sexual harassment claim
against the President."
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She said,
"Well, there's a story here,
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but it's not the one
you're thinking of."
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She told me about a young woman,
a former intern,
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who was having an ongoing affair
with the President.
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This seemed at first blush
astounding and improbable,
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but I wanted to know more.
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In 1995, Monica Lewinsky
came to Washington.
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A friend of our families
had a grandson
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who had had an internship
at the White House
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and had thought it might
be something I'd enjoy doing.
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Man: Had you ever worked around
politics and campaigns
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or been very active?
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No.
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John: I remember
Monica Lewinsky,
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like many interns,
were fascinated by their job,
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who were honored and privileged
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and lucky and excited
and curious
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about working
in the White House.
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Randall: The daughter of
a Beverly Hills doctor,
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she graduated from
Lewis and Clarke college
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in Oregon in 1995
with a degree in psychology.
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From those who worked with her,
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there emerges a picture
of contradictions.
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Descriptions range
from easygoing to unstable.
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I'd say she was very ambitious.
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She was a very hard worker.
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She knew what she wanted, and
she worked very hard to get it.
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Lewinsky: I had met him
in August of '95
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at a departure ceremony.
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So were you introduced there,
or you just --
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No, he went down
the rope line.
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That was the first time?
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Mm-hmm, and at this
departure ceremony,
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he just happened
to give me this...
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Look?
Look.
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Andersen: Monica later said
she got the full Bill Clinton,
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as she put it,
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which was essentially
undressing her with his eyes.
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She said there was something
terribly animalistic
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about the way
he looked at her.
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I did the internship that summer
and had secured a position
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by late fall of that year,
right as the furlough,
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the government shutdown
occurred in November.
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The U.S. Government has now been
partially shut for 44 hours
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with 800,000
federal workers idle.
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In 1995, there was one
of these periodic fights
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between a Republican Congress
and a Democratic president,
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which led to
a government shutdown.
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As a result, the interns took on
more responsibility
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than they normally would have.
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Sesno: Monica Lewinsky
was working,
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interning for Leon Panetta,
the White House Chief of Staff.
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She flashed her thong
at Bill Clinton,
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and they started flirting,
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and later that night, they had
their first sexual encounter.
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Sesno: The way she introduced
herself to the President,
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with a flash
of her thong underwear,
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indicated and demonstrated
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that she knew exactly
what she wanted,
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and she was gonna get it.
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If he had said,
"Don't you ever do that,"
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that would have been that,
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and she would have been
just another intern.
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Monica Lewinsky will never be
just another intern.
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Did you say to yourself,
"Whew, this is the President?"
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Larry, I was a 22-year-old
foolish kid,
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and there was this charismatic,
powerful man
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who was standing there
showing interest in me,
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and I was attracted to him,
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and I think
I was swept up,
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you know, with the power
of the presidency.
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After the first
physical togetherness,
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did you fall in love?
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Not at first,
but I came to.
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Lewinsky: ...I saw somebody
totally different
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than I had expected to see,
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and that's the person
I fell in love with.
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Morris: He was asked,
"Why did you have this affair?"
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And he thought about it a while,
and he said, "Because I could."
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Judd: There were occasions
when they would meet
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in the White House
in the Oval Office.
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There were also phone calls,
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some of them in the middle
of the night.
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The timing of these trysts
really defies imagination.
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Were you with the president
at times when -- intimately --
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and he would also be
conducting affairs of state,
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the story that he was on the
phone talking to Congressmen?
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Uh, yes.
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Another time
he was talking
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to his political adviser
Dick Morris.
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I thought about how incredibly
self-involved,
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narcissistic, and absurd
Bill Clinton was
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for letting this happen
while he's president.
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Toobin: The amazing thing about
Bill Clinton's relationship
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with Monica Lewinsky was that
it was a real relationship.
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It went on for years.
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I mean she put an ad
inThe Washington Post
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in February 1997,
Valentine's Day,
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and they had started up
in 1995.
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I mean, this was
pretty long-term.
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There were also an exchange
of lots of gifts.
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Andersen: Hat pins, sunglasses,
in one case, he gave her
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the same book he gave Hillary,
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a copy of Walt Whitman's
"Leaves of Grass."
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It's surreal to think
that he would be doing that,
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especially at the time
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when he was facing the charges
from Paula Jones.
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I mean, really he was courting
disaster from day one.
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I formed an opinion
really early in 1996.
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I knew that the minute there was
no longer any contact,
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she would talk about this.
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She would have to.
She couldn't help it.
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It was a part of her psyche.
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During this period of time,
as you're seeing him --
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Yes, I had confided
in a couple of my friends.
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And Linda Tripp?
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Eventually, yes,
Linda Tripp.
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Wisenberg: We quickly found out
she was quite the topic
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of conversations
in the White House
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And that she was considered
a clutch --
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somebody, a female, who's
too close to the president.
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John: Evelyn Lieberman, who was
the Deputy Chief of Staff
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in those days, used to look
at Monica
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like the nuns used to
look at me,
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and I said, "Ooh, why doesn't
she like her?"
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Well, now we know.
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Sesno: In April of '96,
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several people determined
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that they needed to get her
out of the White House
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and they wanted to get her
over to the Pentagon
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and away from Bill Clinton,
and that's what they did.
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And the rest truly is history.
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Monica,
met her where?
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At the Pentagon.
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Tripp:
This was abuse of a child.
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Don't ever believe
that this was consensual sex,
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and he went to
extraordinary lengths
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to cover that up,
criminal lengths.
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Larry: Abuse of a child
even though she was older?
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Well, look.
She was -- I have kids that age.
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She was 21.
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Monica is 21 going on 14
on a good day,
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and she was a child.
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She was a mixed up,
unstable, volatile child.
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Sesno: Linda Tripp was this
peculiar woman
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who worked
at the Pentagon,
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who had an agenda
all her own, it seems.
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Judd: Tripp worked in the
George H.W. Bush White House,
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and then Bill Clinton won.
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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And it became pretty clear
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that she didn't like
Bill Clinton very much.
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Toobin:
The Clinton administration
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transferred her out
to the Pentagon
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where she didn't want to be
and was unhappy.
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There were a number
of alienated
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White House employees
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who had been very successful
in writing books
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about how terrible
the Clintons were,
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and Linda starts thinking
about a book deal,
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and she mentions it
to Tony Snow,
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who had been the White House
press secretary.
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So Tony Snow arranges
for Linda Tripp
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to meet Lucianne Goldberg.
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Goldberg: Linda was, to me,
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your basic
hardworking bureaucrat.
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Toobin: Lucianne Goldberg
is a literary agent
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who loves conservatives,
but even more than that,
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she loves gossip and juice
and controversy,
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and Linda Tripp is manna
from heaven for her.
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This is not about me.
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It's about Linda Tripp.
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I was in the position
to get information
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that it looked like
the rest of the world
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was interested in hearing.
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Sesno: Monica Lewinsky gets
to the Pentagon,
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and she meets Linda Tripp.
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Monica was looking to Linda, who
was older and more experienced
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in the government, for advice,
and they liked talking
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and, I think, talked very,
very frequently,
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sometimes in person
and often on the phone.
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Larry: And when you got to know
her, did you like her?
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A lot.
A lot.
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-Mm-hmm.
-Like an aunt?
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Like a -- no, my aunt
is incredible.
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[ Laughs ] She was nothing like
an aunt.
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You have to weigh
a bigger mistake
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between the moment of getting
involved with the President
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and the moment
of blurting out
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that I had the affair
with him to Linda Tripp as --
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You relate them equally?
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I probably have to say that.
Really?
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McDaniel: And so Monica chose
Linda as her confidant.
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As this relationship developed,
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she would regularly tell
Linda what was going on.
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Sesno: Tripp wanted to sell
her story to Lucianne Goldberg,
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which would help
Linda Tripp's pocketbook.
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My job is to sell books,
so I was going to do everything
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I could to move
that story along,
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sell the book,
take my 10%,
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and go on to the next person.
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That was my motivation.
I mean, it was a job.
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I told Linda I had to have
more solid evidence
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than her say-so
for her to do a book.
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She said, "Well, what can I do?"
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And I said, "Can you just tape
your conversations?
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And she said, "I don't know
how to do that."
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And I said, "Well,
you go to Radio Shack,
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and you buy
a inexpensive recorder.
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They will tell you how to do it.
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You just put it on your phone,"
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and that's the thing
that got her kind of messed up
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was that
it's illegal in Maryland.
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I didn't know. It was just, you
know, the dumbness on my part.
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How would I know?
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These phone calls go on and on,
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hour after hour with Monica
complaining about her boyfriend,
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Bill Clinton,
whom she calls the big creep.
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[ Laughter ]
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Linda Tripp is the definition
of the faithless,
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horrible friend who is dragging
these highly personal,
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highly embarrassing secrets
out of Monica,
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not for Monica's sake,
but for Linda's sake.
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Goldberg: She never said to me
she felt guilty,
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and I don't think she did.
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I think she felt she had
a higher calling.
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Lewinsky: You and I have a good
friendship and stuff,
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and I consider you
a good friend.
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♪♪
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On February 28th, the day
after Chelsea's 17th birthday,
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Monica made her visit
to the president
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wearing what would
probably become
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the most famous
blue dress in history.
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And the result of
the sexual encounter
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is that there's
a semen stain on her dress.
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Larry: How did the semen
on the dress even come up?
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She wanted me to try
on some jackets
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that she thought
I would fit into,
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and I did,
and at that time,
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she pulled out the semen-stained
dress and showed it to me.
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Was it one little stain?
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No, it was everywhere.
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One day, Linda Tripp calls me up
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and describes a blue dress
that has a stain
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that would prove what it was
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Monica Lewinsky
had been telling her.
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And she said, "Do you think
I should take it?"
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I said, "And do what with it?"
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And she said, "Give it to you."
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What would I do with it?
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Linda just mentioned it to me,
almost casually, one night.
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She said she was going to
have it dry cleaned,
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and I said, "Oh, for God's sake,
don't let her do that."
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Toobin: Now, Linda, who's not
a forensic expert,
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doesn't know whether
it could still be tested,
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so she asked Lucianne Goldberg,
"Can the dress still be tested?"
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Lucianne doesn't know,
but she has a former client,
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Mark Fuhrman, the detective
in the O.J. Simpson case,
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who does know something
about DNA evidence.
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So Lucianne Goldberg asked
Mark Fuhrman,
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"You know, if there's this dress
that's been stained,
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could you still test it?"
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And he says yes,
so Lucianne says to Linda,
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"Tell her to save the dress."
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But did you ever think
of this?
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If she didn't tell you
to save the dress,
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President Clinton today
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could be saying he never had
a relationship with you.
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Mm-hmm.
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So in that sense,
didn't Linda Tripp help you?
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I don't know.
438
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It's --
I think that's one thing
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that I'll probably never be
able to reconcile within me.
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Because he would have
denied it.
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Of course he would have.
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On May 24, 1997,
Bill told Monica it was over.
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Man: Did you ever receive a call
from the President?
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Sesno: She would have gone,
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had the whole story
not exploded.
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I'm really sort of trying
to do the best
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I can with the situation
that I found myself in.
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Larry: Even though you know
you're part of the fault
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for the situation.
450
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Of course, and I'm not
blameless for it.
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I completely recognize
that I bear
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some responsibility
in what happened.
453
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Welcome back to
"How It Really Happened."
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I'm Hill Harper.
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In early 1997,
President Bill Clinton
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and Monica Lewinsky's affair
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had been going on
for more than a year,
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but how long could
they keep it a secret?
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At the same time the President
was seeing Monica,
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he was fighting
a sexual harassment lawsuit
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from Paula Jones.
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Jones' attorneys fought and won
the right to question
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other women President Clinton
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may have had
sexual encounters with.
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Now, they began looking
for others to testify.
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The Paula Jones case
and the Lewinsky affair
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were about to collide,
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and the results
for President Clinton
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would spell disaster.
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Lewinsky: It has been made clear
to me that there's no way
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I'm going to be able to
come back to the White House.
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♪♪
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On May 24, 1997,
Bill told Monica it was over.
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Sesno: So then this relationship
isn't going any place,
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and Monica realizes that she's
going to have to figure out
476
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where is she going to land,
477
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and she expresses an interest
in going to New York.
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Man: And you received a job
offer from Revlon,
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with the help
of Vernon Jordan.
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Is that correct?
Yes.
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She enlists the help
of Vernon Jordan,
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one of Bill Clinton's
closest friends and allies.
483
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Lewinsky: I'm afraid to
hear him say, "Yes, of course,
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I'll do that,"
and then him not do it.
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Sesno: Clearly the president
was trying to keep her happy.
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She would have gone, had
the whole story not exploded.
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McDaniel:
The Paula Jones lawsuit
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was working its way
through the system,
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and it came time
for depositions to be taken.
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Isikoff: The judge had said,
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"Other women who were state
or federal employees
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were fair game to be subpoenaed
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as potential witnesses
in the Paula Jones lawsuit
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if it fit into a pattern
of Bill Clinton's conduct."
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The lawyers for Paula Jones
became aware of Linda Tripp
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and Monica Lewinsky,
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00:25:10,433 --> 00:25:13,403
and so they put them
on the witness list.
498
00:25:13,433 --> 00:25:15,133
So you went
to the Paula Jones lawyer?
499
00:25:15,166 --> 00:25:16,276
No. Mnh-mnh.
500
00:25:16,316 --> 00:25:18,466
But I allowed them
to find me.
501
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,250
By letting it be known
that you could be found?
502
00:25:21,283 --> 00:25:24,253
Well, I told Lucianne Goldberg
that if they contacted me,
503
00:25:24,283 --> 00:25:26,153
I would be
forthcoming with them.
504
00:25:26,183 --> 00:25:29,253
It eventually was clear that
the Paula Jones lawyers
505
00:25:29,283 --> 00:25:32,203
were having outside legal help
506
00:25:32,233 --> 00:25:36,253
from a network
of conservative lawyers
507
00:25:36,283 --> 00:25:39,273
who I call the elves.
508
00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:42,120
And one of them is Anne Coulter,
509
00:25:42,150 --> 00:25:44,070
the famous
conservative activist.
510
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:47,480
Another one is a lawyer
named Conway,
511
00:25:48,016 --> 00:25:51,416
who is married
to Kellyanne Conway,
512
00:25:51,450 --> 00:25:55,170
who becomes a very famous person
during the Trump campaign,
513
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,400
and this group who were working
in secret for Paula Jones
514
00:25:58,433 --> 00:26:02,373
become the glue
between the Paula Jones case
515
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,030
and the Monica Lewinsky matter.
516
00:26:05,066 --> 00:26:09,296
They figure out that if they
could get the information
517
00:26:09,333 --> 00:26:13,203
that Linda Tripp
has about Monica Lewinsky
518
00:26:13,233 --> 00:26:16,253
into the hands
of the Paula Jones lawyers,
519
00:26:16,283 --> 00:26:19,323
they could really create
a lot of mischief.
520
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:22,420
That's exactly what they did.
521
00:26:22,450 --> 00:26:24,320
Toobin: Bob Bennett,
Clinton's lawyer,
522
00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:26,470
in preparation
for his deposition,
523
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,000
goes through a list of names
who might come up,
524
00:26:30,033 --> 00:26:32,103
Monica Lewinsky's name,
525
00:26:32,133 --> 00:26:34,053
and Clinton pooh-poohs
the whole thing.
526
00:26:34,083 --> 00:26:35,383
He said, "You think I'm crazy
to get involved
527
00:26:35,416 --> 00:26:38,376
with someone like that?"
528
00:26:38,416 --> 00:26:40,026
Good question.
529
00:26:40,066 --> 00:26:43,176
Bear in mind that this was
a carefully coordinated
530
00:26:43,216 --> 00:26:44,416
political trap
531
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:48,070
set for Bill Clinton
to fall into.
532
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:50,470
Man: In the morning
on December the 17th,
533
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,270
did you receive a call
from the President?
534
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:55,200
Yes.
535
00:26:55,233 --> 00:26:59,373
What was the purpose
of that call?
536
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,230
To tell me that my name
was on a witness list
537
00:27:03,266 --> 00:27:05,016
for the Paula Jones case.
538
00:27:05,050 --> 00:27:06,150
Once I had been subpoenaed
539
00:27:06,183 --> 00:27:09,123
in the Paula Jones case
in December
540
00:27:09,150 --> 00:27:11,300
and that Linda
had been subpoenaed
541
00:27:11,333 --> 00:27:13,233
in the Paula Jones case,
542
00:27:13,266 --> 00:27:17,346
my antenna started to go up,
and I was petrified.
543
00:27:17,383 --> 00:27:20,373
I was concerned because
the subpoena
544
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,350
had called
for a hat pin,
545
00:27:22,383 --> 00:27:26,323
that I turn over a hat pin,
and that was an alarm to me.
546
00:27:26,350 --> 00:27:28,320
It mentions a hat pin,
547
00:27:28,350 --> 00:27:32,330
one of the gifts that
Bill Clinton has given her,
548
00:27:32,366 --> 00:27:35,316
so she begins to suspect someone
has been
549
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:40,080
telling the Paula Jones lawyers
about their relationship,
550
00:27:40,116 --> 00:27:43,216
and she goes to Linda Tripp
to speculate about that,
551
00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:47,220
not knowing that Linda Tripp
is
552
00:27:56,316 --> 00:28:00,046
Isikoff: She's continuing
to talk to Linda Tripp
553
00:28:00,083 --> 00:28:02,253
who she thinks
is her good friend.
554
00:28:09,266 --> 00:28:12,366
Sesno: Lewinsky, after
consultations in Washington
555
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,450
with the Clinton loyalists,
signed an affidavit
556
00:28:14,483 --> 00:28:17,223
saying there was
no sexual relationship.
557
00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:20,070
Isikoff: And at the same time,
she's becoming more
558
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:24,400
and more anxious
about getting this job,
559
00:28:24,433 --> 00:28:30,023
so it could look more
and more like Bill Clinton
560
00:28:30,050 --> 00:28:36,080
is trying the get her a job
in order to keep her quiet.
561
00:28:36,116 --> 00:28:38,476
In the beginning of 1998,
Bill and Hillary
562
00:28:39,016 --> 00:28:42,326
went to the Virgin Islands
on a vacation.
563
00:28:42,366 --> 00:28:45,996
McDaniel: A long-angled camera
was able to capture
564
00:28:46,033 --> 00:28:47,433
the two of them
dancing on the beach.
565
00:28:47,466 --> 00:28:50,296
Andersen:
There was a speculation
that this had been arranged
566
00:28:50,333 --> 00:28:51,433
for public consumption to show
567
00:28:51,466 --> 00:28:55,146
that they were indeed
still very much in love.
568
00:28:55,183 --> 00:28:59,473
Isikoff: Bill and Hillary
not having a care in the world
569
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:05,080
while all this turmoil
is about to unfold.
570
00:29:11,166 --> 00:29:13,476
This just in --
Kenneth W. Starr,
571
00:29:14,016 --> 00:29:16,246
a Republican
and former appellate judge
572
00:29:16,283 --> 00:29:18,053
and solicitor general,
573
00:29:18,083 --> 00:29:19,373
has been named
by a special court
574
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,330
to take over
as independent counsel
575
00:29:21,366 --> 00:29:25,276
in charge of
the Whitewater Investigation.
576
00:29:25,316 --> 00:29:29,216
Ken Starr started with the
investigation into Whitewater.
577
00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:32,370
McDaniel: Whitewater was
a real-estate transaction
578
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,050
in which it was believed
579
00:29:34,083 --> 00:29:36,403
that Mrs. Clinton
and perhaps the President
580
00:29:36,433 --> 00:29:38,183
had gotten a special deal
581
00:29:38,216 --> 00:29:40,046
because they'd had
insider knowledge.
582
00:29:40,083 --> 00:29:44,153
Starr was an odd choice
to be the independent counsel,
583
00:29:44,183 --> 00:29:45,383
special prosecutor.
584
00:29:45,416 --> 00:29:47,166
He had never prosecuted anyone.
585
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,380
He had never worked
in criminal law.
586
00:29:49,416 --> 00:29:54,226
I think his motive was always to
be a devoted public servant.
587
00:29:54,266 --> 00:29:59,026
I'm certain that
when he first came in 1994,
588
00:29:59,066 --> 00:30:03,016
his thought was, "This will
be done in about 6 months."
589
00:30:03,050 --> 00:30:06,480
What happened was,
as the investigation went on,
590
00:30:07,016 --> 00:30:09,296
a bunch of other scandals
involving President Clinton
591
00:30:09,333 --> 00:30:12,403
or Mrs. Clinton occurred,
for example,
592
00:30:12,433 --> 00:30:15,453
the White House
Travel Office investigation.
593
00:30:15,483 --> 00:30:20,353
We also got assigned to handle
the Vince Foster investigation.
594
00:30:20,383 --> 00:30:23,003
Mr. Clinton canceled
his public appearances today,
595
00:30:23,033 --> 00:30:26,453
except to share his grief
for Foster's apparent suicide.
596
00:30:26,483 --> 00:30:29,473
Doyle: Vince Foster was the
Deputy White House Counsel,
597
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,020
and he tragically
killed himself.
598
00:30:33,050 --> 00:30:34,450
There were allegations
that he was murdered.
599
00:30:34,483 --> 00:30:36,383
That was never proven.
600
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:42,420
Isikoff: The Whitewater case,
by late '97,
601
00:30:42,450 --> 00:30:45,020
was beginning to look like
602
00:30:45,050 --> 00:30:48,030
it was meandering
and going nowhere.
603
00:30:48,066 --> 00:30:49,196
Starr is getting heat.
604
00:30:49,233 --> 00:30:51,153
When are you going to
wrap this thing up?
605
00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:56,323
And then suddenly,
along comes Monica Lewinsky.
606
00:30:56,350 --> 00:30:59,300
Wisenberg: We first heard
the name Monica Lewinsky
607
00:30:59,333 --> 00:31:03,233
when we got a call
from Linda Tripp.
608
00:31:03,266 --> 00:31:05,476
We were completely uninterested
609
00:31:06,016 --> 00:31:09,066
in whether he was having
an affair with Monica Lewinsky.
610
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:11,420
I think presidents
should be allowed,
611
00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:12,430
even encouraged,
612
00:31:12,466 --> 00:31:14,376
to have all the affairs
they want.
613
00:31:14,416 --> 00:31:17,276
That wasn't
what was going on.
614
00:31:17,316 --> 00:31:20,176
What we were told
by Linda Tripp,
615
00:31:20,216 --> 00:31:23,266
who's a very intelligent
and manipulative person,
616
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:28,430
is that Monica Lewinsky
is being asked to lie
617
00:31:28,466 --> 00:31:32,216
for the president
by Vernon Jordan,
618
00:31:32,250 --> 00:31:36,270
and she's being asked
to fill out a false affidavit.
619
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:42,320
♪♪
620
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:46,420
So they took it upon themselves
to start investigating
621
00:31:46,450 --> 00:31:49,350
whether there had been
obstruction of justice
622
00:31:49,383 --> 00:31:51,233
in the Paula Jones case.
623
00:31:51,266 --> 00:31:53,216
Sesno: Paula Jones gets
connected to Monica Lewinsky.
624
00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:55,270
Monica Lewinsky leads back
to the President.
625
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:56,330
It's a disaster.
626
00:31:56,366 --> 00:31:58,116
Wisenberg: Linda Tripp was
scheduled to meet
627
00:31:58,150 --> 00:31:59,480
the very next day
with Monica Lewinsky.
628
00:32:00,016 --> 00:32:02,226
What better way than
to wire her up
629
00:32:02,266 --> 00:32:06,016
and see if she can corroborate
some of the things
630
00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:08,200
she's been
talking about with us.
631
00:32:08,233 --> 00:32:09,383
Sesno: Linda is wearing a wire.
632
00:32:09,416 --> 00:32:12,326
Of course,
Lewinsky has no idea.
633
00:32:12,366 --> 00:32:13,326
Tripp: I feel like we're
in the middle
634
00:32:13,366 --> 00:32:15,266
of a John Grisham book,
frankly.
635
00:32:25,383 --> 00:32:27,073
Tell me the honest truth,
Monica,
636
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:28,280
because this means a lot
to me.
637
00:32:28,316 --> 00:32:29,476
Has he already said that?
638
00:32:30,016 --> 00:32:31,326
Lewinsky: What?
That someone else knows?
639
00:32:31,366 --> 00:32:33,146
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
640
00:32:42,216 --> 00:32:43,346
Great.
641
00:32:43,383 --> 00:32:47,483
Things are reaching this
remarkable moment of crescendo.
642
00:32:50,150 --> 00:32:54,200
I get a phone call that day
tipping me off
643
00:32:54,233 --> 00:32:59,083
that the FBI was involved,
that Ken Starr was involved.
644
00:32:59,116 --> 00:33:00,446
I nearly fell off my chair.
645
00:33:00,483 --> 00:33:02,273
I mean, my God.
646
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:04,150
This is real.
647
00:33:04,183 --> 00:33:06,223
This is going to explode.
648
00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:10,300
♪♪
649
00:33:10,333 --> 00:33:12,353
Ken Starr's investigator decided
650
00:33:12,383 --> 00:33:15,083
that it was time to talk
directly with Monica herself.
651
00:33:15,116 --> 00:33:17,376
To see if she would cooperate
with us,
652
00:33:17,416 --> 00:33:19,326
to see whether or not
there really
653
00:33:19,366 --> 00:33:24,176
is obstruction of justice
going on.
654
00:33:24,216 --> 00:33:27,046
Judd: Tripp invited
Monica Lewinsky to meet her
655
00:33:27,083 --> 00:33:29,003
at a food court in a mall.
656
00:33:29,033 --> 00:33:31,353
Monica Lewinsky thought
it was a social occasion.
657
00:33:31,383 --> 00:33:32,483
It was not.
658
00:33:33,016 --> 00:33:34,446
Goldberg: Linda told me
they were going to meet
659
00:33:34,483 --> 00:33:36,423
at the courtyard coffee shop,
660
00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:39,430
and evidently the place
was swarming with FBI.
661
00:33:39,466 --> 00:33:41,226
Little does Monica know,
662
00:33:41,266 --> 00:33:44,046
not only is Linda Tripp
not her friend,
663
00:33:44,083 --> 00:33:46,273
not only has she been recording
her, but who's waiting for her?
664
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:49,050
Not just Linda Tripp,
but FBI agents.
665
00:33:49,083 --> 00:33:54,103
Linda Tripp was -- was keeping
notes in a notebook.
666
00:33:54,133 --> 00:33:57,133
She writes about Monica,
"We are on opposite sides.
667
00:33:57,166 --> 00:33:59,316
Guilt is still there
but lessening.
668
00:33:59,350 --> 00:34:02,300
Her decision to lie
is hers alone."
669
00:34:02,333 --> 00:34:05,003
Goldberg: : Linda called me
from the escalator
670
00:34:05,033 --> 00:34:07,003
and said she was on her way
to meet Monica.
671
00:34:07,033 --> 00:34:08,333
She said, "I see her now."
672
00:34:08,366 --> 00:34:10,416
Then the phone goes dead.
673
00:34:10,450 --> 00:34:14,370
And I never spoke to her
again.
674
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,420
McDaniel: All of a sudden,
the FBI agents
675
00:34:16,450 --> 00:34:18,200
descended on the place,
676
00:34:18,233 --> 00:34:20,423
they took Monica
up to a hotel room.
677
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:23,480
Lewinsky: That's when I knew
I was in trouble.
678
00:34:24,016 --> 00:34:26,026
This was definitely something
that had gone awry.
679
00:34:26,066 --> 00:34:27,466
Isikoff: The strategy
was to flip Monica,
680
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,380
get her to talk about
Vernon Jordan's efforts
681
00:34:31,416 --> 00:34:36,446
to get her a job
in exchange for her being quiet
682
00:34:36,483 --> 00:34:39,423
about her affair
with Bill Clinton.
683
00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:42,130
That's what they were hoping,
684
00:34:42,166 --> 00:34:44,166
but it doesn't quite
play out that way.
685
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,100
She decided not to tell us
anything.
686
00:34:46,133 --> 00:34:48,133
Isikoff: At one point, Monica's
allowed to leave the room,
687
00:34:48,166 --> 00:34:51,476
and she passes Linda Tripp
on the escalator.
688
00:34:52,016 --> 00:34:56,126
At this point, she knows
Linda Tripp has betrayed her.
689
00:34:56,166 --> 00:34:58,366
"Thanks a lot," she says.
690
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,220
"They did it to me too,"
Linda replies,
691
00:35:02,250 --> 00:35:05,300
which, of course,
is a total lie.
692
00:35:05,333 --> 00:35:06,483
Sesno: Nothing of this
has broken yet.
693
00:35:07,016 --> 00:35:10,046
These storm clouds are gathering
just over the horizon,
694
00:35:10,083 --> 00:35:13,433
but most of the media
and the public had no idea.
695
00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:20,280
Larry: When is the last time
you spoke to Bill Clinton?
696
00:35:20,316 --> 00:35:24,076
January of '98,
obviously before this broke.
697
00:35:24,116 --> 00:35:25,326
Was it a good-bye call
or what?
698
00:35:25,366 --> 00:35:28,146
No, I mean,
of course not.
699
00:35:28,183 --> 00:35:31,103
Nobody knew this was
going to happen.
700
00:35:31,133 --> 00:35:32,283
Van Susteren: Tomorrow
in the nation's capital,
701
00:35:32,316 --> 00:35:35,416
President Clinton will be
deposed by Paula Jones' lawyers.
702
00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:37,250
He becomes the first
sitting president
703
00:35:37,283 --> 00:35:40,073
to testify as a defendant.
704
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:43,370
Isikoff: January 17th is the day
of the deposition
705
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,120
of Bill Clinton
in the Paula Jones lawsuit,
706
00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:52,070
and he has no idea
what he's walking into.
707
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:54,070
Man: Do you understand, sir,
that your answers
708
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:56,070
to my questions today
are testimony
709
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:57,330
that is being given
under oath?
710
00:35:57,366 --> 00:36:00,016
Yes.
If the President had known
711
00:36:00,050 --> 00:36:04,080
how much we knew
about Monica Lewinsky,
712
00:36:04,116 --> 00:36:07,176
I believe he would have
either delayed the deposition,
713
00:36:07,216 --> 00:36:11,046
settled the case, or answered
in a very different way.
714
00:36:11,083 --> 00:36:15,083
And your testimony is subject
to the penalty of perjury.
715
00:36:15,116 --> 00:36:16,366
Do you understand that,
sir?
716
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,180
I do.
717
00:36:19,216 --> 00:36:21,426
He sticks to his script,
718
00:36:21,466 --> 00:36:25,116
claims he doesn't
remember Paula Jones,
719
00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:29,000
and then the questions
come about Monica Lewinsky.
720
00:36:29,033 --> 00:36:31,223
Did anyone other than
your attorneys ever tell you
721
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:33,120
that Monica Lewinsky
had been served
722
00:36:33,150 --> 00:36:35,070
with a subpoena
in this case?
723
00:36:37,416 --> 00:36:39,066
I don't think so.
724
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:42,180
Clinton went into his deposition
with some confidence
725
00:36:42,216 --> 00:36:44,376
about the Monica Lewinsky
situation
726
00:36:44,416 --> 00:36:47,116
because he already knew
727
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:49,380
that Monica
had signed an affidavit
728
00:36:49,416 --> 00:36:51,296
saying nothing
had taken place,
729
00:36:51,333 --> 00:36:54,323
so if he denied it
and she denied it,
730
00:36:54,350 --> 00:36:57,050
he thought he was
probably home free,
731
00:36:57,083 --> 00:36:59,353
and then he got
a strange gift.
732
00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:02,303
Instead of just asking him
in a straightforward way,
733
00:37:02,333 --> 00:37:05,403
"Did Monica Lewinsky
perform oral sex on you?"
734
00:37:05,433 --> 00:37:09,283
they asked it in this
incredibly convoluted way.
735
00:37:09,316 --> 00:37:13,476
That allowed him to sort of talk
around the truth
736
00:37:14,016 --> 00:37:17,216
of their relationship
when a straightforward question
737
00:37:17,250 --> 00:37:21,130
would have yielded
a complete and obvious lie.
738
00:37:21,166 --> 00:37:22,476
Man: This is a definition
of a term
739
00:37:23,016 --> 00:37:25,166
that will be used
in the course of my questioning.
740
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,200
The term
is sexual relations.
741
00:37:29,233 --> 00:37:32,173
He was asked whether or not,
under the definition
742
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,230
in the case, he had sexual
contact with Monica Lewinsky.
743
00:37:36,266 --> 00:37:41,346
He brazens right through it
and denies a sexual relationship
744
00:37:41,383 --> 00:37:47,223
with Monica Lewinsky and figures
the whole thing is over.
745
00:37:47,250 --> 00:37:52,170
Counsel is fully aware
that Ms. Lewinsky has filed --
746
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,080
has an affidavit which they
are
in possession of saying
747
00:37:56,116 --> 00:37:59,396
that there was absolutely
no sex of any kind,
748
00:37:59,433 --> 00:38:03,233
in any manner, shape, or form
with President Clinton.
749
00:38:03,266 --> 00:38:05,446
It's absolutely clear
what sexual contact
750
00:38:05,483 --> 00:38:10,353
meant under the definition,
and he lied about it.
751
00:38:10,383 --> 00:38:14,103
In paragraph eight of
her affidavit, she says this,
752
00:38:14,133 --> 00:38:16,383
"I have never had
a sexual relationship
753
00:38:16,416 --> 00:38:18,076
with the President."
754
00:38:18,116 --> 00:38:20,316
Is that a true and accurate
statement as far as you know
it?
755
00:38:20,350 --> 00:38:22,000
That is absolutely true.
756
00:38:22,033 --> 00:38:25,023
After he did that,
he was then on record,
757
00:38:25,050 --> 00:38:28,230
under oath in the deposition,
as having lied,
758
00:38:28,266 --> 00:38:32,996
and that really set the basis
for everything that followed.
759
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:36,200
Isikoff: And at that point,
760
00:38:36,233 --> 00:38:40,053
I thought this was
a no-brainer of a story,
761
00:38:40,083 --> 00:38:42,483
that this was going to be
one of the biggest
762
00:38:43,016 --> 00:38:48,426
and most explosive political
stories in Washington in years,
763
00:38:48,466 --> 00:38:51,446
but the editors atNewsweek
were nervous.
764
00:38:51,483 --> 00:38:54,003
We were racing
towards a deadline.
765
00:38:54,033 --> 00:38:56,303
It was late in the afternoon.
766
00:38:56,333 --> 00:38:59,033
We had to make a decision
whether to publish or not.
767
00:38:59,066 --> 00:39:02,176
We knew it was possible that
this could lead to the President
768
00:39:02,216 --> 00:39:04,276
of the United States
being removed from office.
769
00:39:04,316 --> 00:39:06,426
Are we sure we know
what we're talking about here?
770
00:39:06,466 --> 00:39:09,016
Are we sure this reporting
is true?
771
00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:10,330
And so late
on Saturday night,
772
00:39:10,366 --> 00:39:12,316
we made the decision
not to publish.
773
00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:13,450
They were just afraid of it.
774
00:39:13,483 --> 00:39:16,383
They were afraid to come out
and publish a story
775
00:39:16,416 --> 00:39:18,996
saying that the President
of the United States
776
00:39:19,033 --> 00:39:20,303
was having
a blatant affair.
777
00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:22,183
Isikoff:
Obviously, I was bummed.
778
00:39:22,216 --> 00:39:26,396
We knew more about this
than anybody else.
779
00:39:26,433 --> 00:39:29,303
Nobody else had talked
to Linda Tripp
780
00:39:29,333 --> 00:39:30,453
or Lucianne Goldberg,
781
00:39:30,483 --> 00:39:34,353
or knew about how Ken Starr
had gotten involved.
782
00:39:34,383 --> 00:39:36,473
The phone rings, and it's Mike,
and he's furious.
783
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,480
He's absolutely livid,
and he said,
784
00:39:39,016 --> 00:39:40,996
"They're not going to run it.
They've spiked it,"
785
00:39:41,033 --> 00:39:42,403
so that's when I took it
to "Drudge."
786
00:39:42,433 --> 00:39:46,323
I said, "I'm sitting on a story
that nobody wants to publish.
787
00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:48,350
It's yours if you want it."
788
00:39:48,383 --> 00:39:51,273
"Drudge Report,"
January 17, 1998.
789
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:53,030
11:32 P.M.
790
00:39:53,066 --> 00:39:56,346
"The Drudge Report" has learned
that reporter Michael Isikoff...
791
00:39:56,383 --> 00:39:58,333
...developed the story
of his career,
792
00:39:58,366 --> 00:40:01,276
only to have it spiked
by topNewsweek
793
00:40:01,316 --> 00:40:03,046
...hours before
its publication.
794
00:40:03,083 --> 00:40:04,283
A young woman, 23...
795
00:40:04,316 --> 00:40:07,126
...sexually involved
with the love of her life,
796
00:40:07,166 --> 00:40:08,996
the President
of the United States...
797
00:40:09,033 --> 00:40:11,473
...since she was a 21-year-old
intern at the White House.
798
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,430
She was a frequent visitor
to a small study
799
00:40:13,466 --> 00:40:15,096
just off the Oval Office...
800
00:40:15,133 --> 00:40:17,303
...where she claims to have
indulged the President's
801
00:40:17,333 --> 00:40:19,203
sexual preference.
802
00:40:19,233 --> 00:40:22,073
Michael Isikoff was not
available for comment
803
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:23,420
late Saturday.
804
00:40:24,483 --> 00:40:26,223
[ Imitates explosion ]
805
00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:28,070
A potentially damaging cloud
806
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:29,370
is hanging over
the White House this morning.
807
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,280
This story is a bomb, literally,
that drops out of the air.
808
00:40:32,316 --> 00:40:36,016
CNN has confirmed that
Whitewater counsel Kenneth Starr
809
00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:39,070
has been granted permission
to expand his investigation.
810
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:41,320
What we wanted to know
was everything.
811
00:40:41,350 --> 00:40:43,220
Information
about an alleged affair
812
00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:45,150
continues to pour
out of Washington.
813
00:40:45,183 --> 00:40:47,253
Doyle: We had absolutely no idea
814
00:40:47,283 --> 00:40:48,483
what was going to come
at us.
815
00:40:49,016 --> 00:40:51,216
We had no idea that there was
going to be
816
00:40:51,250 --> 00:40:54,400
a semen-stained blue dress.
817
00:40:54,433 --> 00:40:56,483
Today, more details
and more denials
818
00:40:57,016 --> 00:40:59,016
in the matter
of Monica Lewinsky.
819
00:40:59,050 --> 00:41:02,100
There were
salacious accusations
820
00:41:02,133 --> 00:41:05,473
that the public
had never heard before.
821
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,200
Press: Meet Monica Lewinsky.
822
00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:11,353
Man: Do you, Monica S.
Lewinsky,
do swear or affirm...
823
00:41:11,383 --> 00:41:13,153
Did he do it?
Didn't he do it?
824
00:41:13,183 --> 00:41:15,283
...the whole truth and nothing
but the truth?
825
00:41:15,316 --> 00:41:19,046
What we realized
is this has just begun.
826
00:41:19,083 --> 00:41:20,203
I do.
827
00:41:20,233 --> 00:41:22,433
Larry: When you first saw
your name mentioned,
828
00:41:22,466 --> 00:41:24,396
do you remember
your first reaction?
829
00:41:24,433 --> 00:41:28,453
I mean, it was just --
it was scary.
830
00:41:28,483 --> 00:41:30,373
Initial reports of this
shocking affair
831
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,480
spun Washington
on its head,
832
00:41:33,016 --> 00:41:35,346
and news outlets
scrambled for details.
833
00:41:35,383 --> 00:41:38,433
Some answers came from
reporter Michael Isikoff.
834
00:41:38,466 --> 00:41:40,246
Days after news
of the affair leaked,
835
00:41:40,283 --> 00:41:42,233
Newsweek
Isikoff's article,
836
00:41:42,266 --> 00:41:44,216
publishing it online,
837
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:45,470
the first time
they'd ever broken
838
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,350
a big news story on the Web,
but this was just the beginning.
839
00:41:49,383 --> 00:41:52,303
Monica Lewinsky, Linda Tripp,
and a cast of dozens
840
00:41:52,333 --> 00:41:54,473
were now stepping onto
the national stage,
841
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,320
a the stage befitting
the Shakespearean drama
842
00:41:57,350 --> 00:41:59,480
about to unfold next time
843
00:42:00,016 --> 00:42:02,326
on part 2
of "How It Really Happened."
844
00:42:02,366 --> 00:42:04,126
Thanks for watching.
845
00:42:04,166 --> 00:42:05,176
Good night.
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