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How do you feel? 4 00:00:09,333 --> 00:00:11,183 What do you -- In this whole story, 5 00:00:11,216 --> 00:00:13,246 Monica Lewinsky is what? 6 00:00:13,283 --> 00:00:16,123 Uh, um... 7 00:00:16,150 --> 00:00:23,000 I think she's a young woman who made some private mistakes 8 00:00:23,033 --> 00:00:26,373 and who's very sorry for those mistakes, 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:31,230 but was also part of some other forces 10 00:00:31,266 --> 00:00:33,226 that she certainly couldn't control. 11 00:00:33,266 --> 00:00:41,126 ♪♪ 12 00:00:41,166 --> 00:00:48,996 ♪♪ 13 00:00:49,033 --> 00:00:50,073 Welcome to "How It Really Happened." 14 00:00:50,100 --> 00:00:51,330 I'm Hill Harper. 15 00:00:51,366 --> 00:00:55,246 It was an affair that nearly toppled a presidency -- 16 00:00:55,283 --> 00:00:57,053 A 21-year-old White House intern 17 00:00:57,083 --> 00:01:00,153 and the married leader of the free world. 18 00:01:00,183 --> 00:01:02,433 Their scandal would make household names of Linda Tripp 19 00:01:02,466 --> 00:01:04,296 and Ken Starr 20 00:01:04,333 --> 00:01:07,373 and it would change how the media covers the president, 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,030 and it would forever change the way 22 00:01:09,066 --> 00:01:11,166 we think about blue Gap dresses. 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,020 Tonight, the unbelievable story 24 00:01:13,050 --> 00:01:15,420 of Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky -- 25 00:01:15,450 --> 00:01:17,430 what happened behind closed doors 26 00:01:17,466 --> 00:01:19,276 and the details of an intricate trap 27 00:01:19,316 --> 00:01:21,096 set by his foes 28 00:01:21,133 --> 00:01:24,323 that President Clinton walked right into. 29 00:01:24,350 --> 00:01:27,270 Believe it or not, the story first broke on the Internet 30 00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:29,250 on a then relatively little-known Website 31 00:01:29,283 --> 00:01:32,073 called "The Drudge Report." 32 00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:34,370 This is "How It Really Happened." 33 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:41,030 ♪♪ 34 00:01:41,066 --> 00:01:42,176 Larry: Tonight, the Clinton White House 35 00:01:42,216 --> 00:01:45,096 faces a huge crisis over another allegation 36 00:01:45,133 --> 00:01:47,203 of sexual impropriety by the President. 37 00:01:47,233 --> 00:01:48,333 Oh, my God. 38 00:01:48,366 --> 00:01:54,026 This was a thunderclap of monumental proportions. 39 00:01:54,066 --> 00:01:57,046 On you go to Washington, your first job there is? 40 00:01:57,083 --> 00:01:58,233 I was an intern. 41 00:01:58,266 --> 00:01:59,426 Franken: This was a major story. 42 00:01:59,466 --> 00:02:03,376 We're talking about an intern in the White House. 43 00:02:03,416 --> 00:02:05,216 Van Susteren: The reports allege Clinton had a year 44 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:07,270 and a half affair with a white House intern 45 00:02:07,300 --> 00:02:10,230 and then allegedly tried to get her to lie about it. 46 00:02:10,266 --> 00:02:12,316 It was just so stunning. 47 00:02:12,350 --> 00:02:14,150 At issue, did the president of the United States 48 00:02:14,183 --> 00:02:16,233 participate in a conspiracy? 49 00:02:16,266 --> 00:02:19,026 I just thought, "Oh, God. No." 50 00:02:19,066 --> 00:02:22,216 We wondered, "How is he going to react?" 51 00:02:22,250 --> 00:02:26,020 I never imagined in my wildest dreams 52 00:02:26,050 --> 00:02:28,120 it was going to go in this direction. 53 00:02:28,150 --> 00:02:29,100 We're back with Monica Lewinsky. 54 00:02:29,133 --> 00:02:32,033 What was the thumb thing? 55 00:02:32,066 --> 00:02:34,196 Oh. 56 00:02:34,233 --> 00:02:36,303 She's lied either before or she's lying now. 57 00:02:36,333 --> 00:02:40,083 Press: Truth and consequences -- Who's telling the truth, 58 00:02:40,116 --> 00:02:42,446 and what are the consequences for President Clinton? 59 00:02:45,016 --> 00:02:48,276 The story that becomes Bill Clinton's impeachment 60 00:02:48,316 --> 00:02:53,326 begins at the registration desk in a Little Rock hotel, 61 00:02:53,366 --> 00:02:57,076 long before he becomes President of the United States. 62 00:02:57,116 --> 00:02:59,096 The lawsuit is called Paula Corbin Jones 63 00:02:59,133 --> 00:03:01,283 plaintiff versus William Jefferson Clinton. 64 00:03:01,316 --> 00:03:05,216 This was an allegation of sexual harassment. 65 00:03:05,250 --> 00:03:07,100 Cammarata: Paula Jones claimed that she was working 66 00:03:07,133 --> 00:03:11,223 as an Arkansas state employee at a conference. 67 00:03:11,250 --> 00:03:13,430 Governor Bill Clinton was speaking. 68 00:03:13,466 --> 00:03:17,076 Isikoff: She said she gets summoned by the trooper 69 00:03:17,116 --> 00:03:19,166 to go up to the hotel room, 70 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,400 and at that point, Bill Clinton proceeded 71 00:03:22,433 --> 00:03:26,173 to make unsolicited sexual advances. 72 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,320 The allegations about President Bill Clinton 73 00:03:29,350 --> 00:03:31,270 were salacious, 74 00:03:31,300 --> 00:03:33,170 and they were unending. 75 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,120 He pulled me and started running his hand up my leg, 76 00:03:37,150 --> 00:03:40,480 and he tried to kiss on my neck. 77 00:03:41,016 --> 00:03:42,396 Cammarata: He wound up sitting down at a couch 78 00:03:42,433 --> 00:03:45,323 and exposed himself and asked her to kiss him. 79 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:46,320 Woodruff: And what did you do then? 80 00:03:46,350 --> 00:03:48,000 Oh, I stood straight up. 81 00:03:48,033 --> 00:03:51,073 I jumped up and I said, "I am not that kind of girl," 82 00:03:51,100 --> 00:03:54,070 and I said, "I need to be leaving immediately." 83 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:58,100 Cammarata: On May 6, 1994, we filed a lawsuit 84 00:03:58,133 --> 00:03:59,333 on behalf of Paula Jones 85 00:03:59,366 --> 00:04:01,076 against the President of the United States 86 00:04:01,116 --> 00:04:05,146 for acts that we believed were violative of her rights. 87 00:04:05,183 --> 00:04:07,483 This case is about character and integrity. 88 00:04:08,016 --> 00:04:12,026 This case is about the powerful taking advantage of the weak. 89 00:04:12,066 --> 00:04:15,396 Paula Jones is seeking $700,000 in damage. 90 00:04:15,433 --> 00:04:16,473 Cammarata: Bill Clinton's response 91 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,270 was to deny anything of the sort. 92 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:23,020 He, through his agency, maligned Paula Jones, 93 00:04:23,050 --> 00:04:25,450 said that she was just after money, 94 00:04:25,483 --> 00:04:30,253 fame, fortune, and she was just, in essence, trailer-park trash. 95 00:04:30,283 --> 00:04:34,233 This complaint is tabloid trash with a legal caption on it. 96 00:04:34,266 --> 00:04:36,426 Cammarata: One of the civil lawsuits against Michael Jackson 97 00:04:36,466 --> 00:04:38,166 had just settled, 98 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,280 and one of the tactics that the plaintiffs used in that case 99 00:04:41,316 --> 00:04:45,326 was a purported description of Michael Jackson's penis, 100 00:04:45,366 --> 00:04:48,146 and Paula Jones' lawyers said, 101 00:04:48,183 --> 00:04:50,403 "Okay, let's use the same tactic." 102 00:04:50,433 --> 00:04:54,023 As to avoid that "he said, she said," 103 00:04:54,050 --> 00:04:56,150 I made inquiry of Paula, 104 00:04:56,183 --> 00:04:57,233 as to whether or not there were 105 00:04:57,266 --> 00:04:59,416 any distinguishing characteristics 106 00:04:59,450 --> 00:05:02,180 in Clinton's genital area. 107 00:05:02,216 --> 00:05:05,216 Which mostly had the effect 108 00:05:05,250 --> 00:05:09,350 of just being deeply humiliating to the President. 109 00:05:09,383 --> 00:05:16,233 It, quite frankly, was kind of a perverse PR strategy. 110 00:05:16,266 --> 00:05:17,466 Andersen: The Paula Jones lawsuit 111 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,430 dragged on seemingly forever. 112 00:05:20,466 --> 00:05:23,316 Franken: It was a combination of legal maneuvers 113 00:05:23,350 --> 00:05:25,430 that went on for several years. 114 00:05:25,466 --> 00:05:27,096 Andersen: There were a number of opportunities 115 00:05:27,133 --> 00:05:28,403 to settle the case, 116 00:05:28,433 --> 00:05:32,023 but it was something that Hillary was not willing to do. 117 00:05:32,050 --> 00:05:34,130 She didn't want that kind of black mark 118 00:05:34,166 --> 00:05:37,026 on her husband's presidency. 119 00:05:37,066 --> 00:05:39,376 Penn: One day, after the '96 presidential election, 120 00:05:39,416 --> 00:05:43,146 the president essentially sat me down in the oval office, 121 00:05:43,183 --> 00:05:44,453 and he said, "You know, there are some people 122 00:05:44,483 --> 00:05:47,333 who think I should settle this Paula Jones suit." 123 00:05:47,366 --> 00:05:49,996 I said, "Look, I think you'd be better of settling it," 124 00:05:50,033 --> 00:05:51,453 that everything was going well in the presidency. 125 00:05:51,483 --> 00:05:53,433 We'd won reelection. 126 00:05:53,466 --> 00:05:56,346 There was no reason to have this hanging around, 127 00:05:56,383 --> 00:06:01,003 and he, of course, in the end didn't do that. 128 00:06:01,033 --> 00:06:04,103 Cammarata: It was a big mistake on the part of Bill Clinton 129 00:06:04,133 --> 00:06:05,283 not to settle the case. 130 00:06:05,316 --> 00:06:09,176 Morris: This entire mess with Monica Lewinsky 131 00:06:09,216 --> 00:06:12,096 and impeachment would never have happened 132 00:06:12,133 --> 00:06:14,083 if he had settled that lawsuit. 133 00:06:16,416 --> 00:06:21,396 I remember talking to Joe Cammarata about the case. 134 00:06:21,433 --> 00:06:24,483 This was a couple of years after it got filed and said, 135 00:06:25,016 --> 00:06:30,016 "You know, it's unlikely you'll ever be able to prove this 136 00:06:30,050 --> 00:06:33,480 unless there are other women out there 137 00:06:34,016 --> 00:06:38,146 who will say they had similar experiences." 138 00:06:38,183 --> 00:06:42,033 Cammarata says, "Well, what if we got one?" 139 00:06:42,066 --> 00:06:44,246 And I said, "Do tell." 140 00:06:44,283 --> 00:06:47,033 Cammarata: There was one day that I received a telephone call 141 00:06:47,066 --> 00:06:50,076 from a woman who would not give me her name, 142 00:06:50,116 --> 00:06:53,326 and she said that she had something happen to her 143 00:06:53,366 --> 00:06:56,226 that was similar to what had happened to Paula Jones. 144 00:06:56,266 --> 00:06:59,076 Through some detective work, 145 00:06:59,116 --> 00:07:01,326 I was ultimately able to figure out 146 00:07:01,366 --> 00:07:05,476 that this was most likely a woman named Kathleen Willey. 147 00:07:06,016 --> 00:07:08,326 Andersen: Kathleen Willey was a friend of Bill's, 148 00:07:08,366 --> 00:07:13,066 and in 1993, she went to Bill for a job, 149 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:18,000 and instead, she later claimed Bill made his move on her. 150 00:07:18,033 --> 00:07:21,083 He hugged me, which was not unusual. 151 00:07:21,116 --> 00:07:25,116 He's like that, and, you know, 152 00:07:25,150 --> 00:07:27,350 the hug lasted a little too long, 153 00:07:27,383 --> 00:07:32,433 and he acted pretty badly. 154 00:07:32,466 --> 00:07:34,266 Isikoff: I went to see her and I said, 155 00:07:34,300 --> 00:07:39,400 "Are there others you spoke to about this at the time?" 156 00:07:39,433 --> 00:07:42,473 And she said, "Yeah, there was this woman 157 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,350 who worked in the White House, who I told about it right away," 158 00:07:48,383 --> 00:07:51,283 and she said her name was Linda Tripp. 159 00:07:51,316 --> 00:07:54,446 ♪♪ 160 00:07:57,383 --> 00:08:03,353 ♪♪ 161 00:08:03,383 --> 00:08:09,353 ♪♪ 162 00:08:09,383 --> 00:08:11,403 He said, "Kathleen Willey has named you 163 00:08:11,433 --> 00:08:14,173 as a contemporaneous corroborative witness 164 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,370 in her sexual harassment claim against the President." 165 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,220 She said, "Well, there's a story here, 166 00:08:19,250 --> 00:08:22,150 but it's not the one you're thinking of." 167 00:08:22,183 --> 00:08:27,173 She told me about a young woman, a former intern, 168 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,170 who was having an ongoing affair with the President. 169 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,480 This seemed at first blush astounding and improbable, 170 00:08:36,016 --> 00:08:38,066 but I wanted to know more. 171 00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:43,170 ♪♪ 172 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,180 In 1995, Monica Lewinsky came to Washington. 173 00:08:46,216 --> 00:08:48,116 A friend of our families had a grandson 174 00:08:48,150 --> 00:08:49,430 who had had an internship at the White House 175 00:08:49,466 --> 00:08:53,996 and had thought it might be something I'd enjoy doing. 176 00:08:54,033 --> 00:08:56,383 Man: Had you ever worked around politics and campaigns 177 00:08:56,416 --> 00:08:58,046 or been very active? 178 00:08:58,083 --> 00:08:59,383 No. 179 00:08:59,416 --> 00:09:01,016 John: I remember Monica Lewinsky, 180 00:09:01,050 --> 00:09:03,220 like many interns, were fascinated by their job, 181 00:09:03,250 --> 00:09:04,280 who were honored and privileged 182 00:09:04,316 --> 00:09:06,126 and lucky and excited and curious 183 00:09:06,166 --> 00:09:07,226 about working in the White House. 184 00:09:07,266 --> 00:09:09,016 Randall: The daughter of a Beverly Hills doctor, 185 00:09:09,050 --> 00:09:11,020 she graduated from Lewis and Clarke college 186 00:09:11,050 --> 00:09:14,250 in Oregon in 1995 with a degree in psychology. 187 00:09:14,283 --> 00:09:15,333 From those who worked with her, 188 00:09:15,366 --> 00:09:17,446 there emerges a picture of contradictions. 189 00:09:17,483 --> 00:09:20,423 Descriptions range from easygoing to unstable. 190 00:09:20,450 --> 00:09:22,400 I'd say she was very ambitious. 191 00:09:22,433 --> 00:09:24,153 She was a very hard worker. 192 00:09:24,183 --> 00:09:29,033 She knew what she wanted, and she worked very hard to get it. 193 00:09:29,066 --> 00:09:32,296 Lewinsky: I had met him in August of '95 194 00:09:32,333 --> 00:09:34,483 at a departure ceremony. 195 00:09:35,016 --> 00:09:36,446 So were you introduced there, or you just -- 196 00:09:36,483 --> 00:09:39,053 No, he went down the rope line. 197 00:09:39,083 --> 00:09:40,133 That was the first time? 198 00:09:40,166 --> 00:09:43,426 Mm-hmm, and at this departure ceremony, 199 00:09:43,466 --> 00:09:46,146 he just happened to give me this... 200 00:09:46,183 --> 00:09:47,373 Look? Look. 201 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,180 Andersen: Monica later said she got the full Bill Clinton, 202 00:09:50,216 --> 00:09:51,346 as she put it, 203 00:09:51,383 --> 00:09:54,353 which was essentially undressing her with his eyes. 204 00:09:54,383 --> 00:09:56,383 She said there was something terribly animalistic 205 00:09:56,416 --> 00:09:58,066 about the way he looked at her. 206 00:09:58,100 --> 00:10:02,280 I did the internship that summer and had secured a position 207 00:10:02,316 --> 00:10:08,016 by late fall of that year, right as the furlough, 208 00:10:08,050 --> 00:10:10,130 the government shutdown occurred in November. 209 00:10:10,166 --> 00:10:14,076 The U.S. Government has now been partially shut for 44 hours 210 00:10:14,116 --> 00:10:17,016 with 800,000 federal workers idle. 211 00:10:17,050 --> 00:10:19,450 In 1995, there was one of these periodic fights 212 00:10:19,483 --> 00:10:23,333 between a Republican Congress and a Democratic president, 213 00:10:23,366 --> 00:10:25,466 which led to a government shutdown. 214 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,280 As a result, the interns took on more responsibility 215 00:10:28,316 --> 00:10:30,126 than they normally would have. 216 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,120 Sesno: Monica Lewinsky was working, 217 00:10:34,150 --> 00:10:36,420 interning for Leon Panetta, the White House Chief of Staff. 218 00:10:36,450 --> 00:10:39,270 She flashed her thong at Bill Clinton, 219 00:10:39,300 --> 00:10:41,000 and they started flirting, 220 00:10:41,033 --> 00:10:44,283 and later that night, they had their first sexual encounter. 221 00:10:44,316 --> 00:10:47,066 Sesno: The way she introduced herself to the President, 222 00:10:47,100 --> 00:10:48,480 with a flash of her thong underwear, 223 00:10:49,016 --> 00:10:51,996 indicated and demonstrated 224 00:10:52,033 --> 00:10:55,223 that she knew exactly what she wanted, 225 00:10:55,250 --> 00:10:57,230 and she was gonna get it. 226 00:10:57,266 --> 00:10:59,466 If he had said, "Don't you ever do that," 227 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,070 that would have been that, 228 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:03,330 and she would have been just another intern. 229 00:11:03,366 --> 00:11:07,026 Monica Lewinsky will never be just another intern. 230 00:11:07,066 --> 00:11:11,376 Did you say to yourself, "Whew, this is the President?" 231 00:11:11,416 --> 00:11:15,996 Larry, I was a 22-year-old foolish kid, 232 00:11:16,033 --> 00:11:19,223 and there was this charismatic, powerful man 233 00:11:19,250 --> 00:11:22,380 who was standing there showing interest in me, 234 00:11:22,416 --> 00:11:24,996 and I was attracted to him, 235 00:11:25,033 --> 00:11:28,453 and I think I was swept up, 236 00:11:28,483 --> 00:11:32,083 you know, with the power of the presidency. 237 00:11:32,116 --> 00:11:35,226 After the first physical togetherness, 238 00:11:35,266 --> 00:11:39,046 did you fall in love? 239 00:11:39,083 --> 00:11:43,223 Not at first, but I came to. 240 00:11:50,150 --> 00:11:51,450 Lewinsky: ...I saw somebody totally different 241 00:11:51,483 --> 00:11:53,423 than I had expected to see, 242 00:11:53,450 --> 00:11:57,050 and that's the person I fell in love with. 243 00:11:57,083 --> 00:11:59,303 Morris: He was asked, "Why did you have this affair?" 244 00:11:59,333 --> 00:12:02,183 And he thought about it a while, and he said, "Because I could." 245 00:12:02,216 --> 00:12:05,176 Judd: There were occasions when they would meet 246 00:12:05,216 --> 00:12:07,216 in the White House in the Oval Office. 247 00:12:07,250 --> 00:12:09,270 There were also phone calls, 248 00:12:09,300 --> 00:12:11,230 some of them in the middle of the night. 249 00:12:11,266 --> 00:12:15,066 The timing of these trysts really defies imagination. 250 00:12:15,100 --> 00:12:17,350 Were you with the president at times when -- intimately -- 251 00:12:17,383 --> 00:12:20,133 and he would also be conducting affairs of state, 252 00:12:20,166 --> 00:12:23,346 the story that he was on the phone talking to Congressmen? 253 00:12:23,383 --> 00:12:25,183 Uh, yes. 254 00:12:25,216 --> 00:12:26,396 Another time he was talking 255 00:12:26,433 --> 00:12:29,233 to his political adviser Dick Morris. 256 00:12:31,050 --> 00:12:34,200 I thought about how incredibly self-involved, 257 00:12:34,233 --> 00:12:38,323 narcissistic, and absurd Bill Clinton was 258 00:12:38,350 --> 00:12:41,150 for letting this happen while he's president. 259 00:12:41,183 --> 00:12:44,373 Toobin: The amazing thing about Bill Clinton's relationship 260 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,100 with Monica Lewinsky was that it was a real relationship. 261 00:12:48,133 --> 00:12:49,353 It went on for years. 262 00:12:49,383 --> 00:12:52,473 I mean she put an ad inThe Washington Post 263 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,450 in February 1997, Valentine's Day, 264 00:12:56,483 --> 00:12:59,483 and they had started up in 1995. 265 00:13:00,016 --> 00:13:02,446 I mean, this was pretty long-term. 266 00:13:02,483 --> 00:13:06,303 There were also an exchange of lots of gifts. 267 00:13:06,333 --> 00:13:09,333 Andersen: Hat pins, sunglasses, in one case, he gave her 268 00:13:09,366 --> 00:13:11,026 the same book he gave Hillary, 269 00:13:11,066 --> 00:13:14,026 a copy of Walt Whitman's "Leaves of Grass." 270 00:13:14,066 --> 00:13:17,116 It's surreal to think that he would be doing that, 271 00:13:17,150 --> 00:13:18,470 especially at the time 272 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,320 when he was facing the charges from Paula Jones. 273 00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:23,480 I mean, really he was courting disaster from day one. 274 00:13:24,016 --> 00:13:27,346 I formed an opinion really early in 1996. 275 00:13:27,383 --> 00:13:31,003 I knew that the minute there was no longer any contact, 276 00:13:31,033 --> 00:13:32,103 she would talk about this. 277 00:13:32,133 --> 00:13:33,423 She would have to. She couldn't help it. 278 00:13:33,450 --> 00:13:36,330 It was a part of her psyche. 279 00:13:36,366 --> 00:13:39,166 During this period of time, as you're seeing him -- 280 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,120 Yes, I had confided in a couple of my friends. 281 00:13:43,150 --> 00:13:44,220 And Linda Tripp? 282 00:13:44,250 --> 00:13:46,320 Eventually, yes, Linda Tripp. 283 00:13:46,350 --> 00:13:49,020 Wisenberg: We quickly found out she was quite the topic 284 00:13:49,050 --> 00:13:51,320 of conversations in the White House 285 00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:53,370 And that she was considered a clutch -- 286 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,170 somebody, a female, who's too close to the president. 287 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,370 John: Evelyn Lieberman, who was the Deputy Chief of Staff 288 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,120 in those days, used to look at Monica 289 00:13:59,150 --> 00:14:00,270 like the nuns used to look at me, 290 00:14:00,300 --> 00:14:02,350 and I said, "Ooh, why doesn't she like her?" 291 00:14:02,383 --> 00:14:03,323 Well, now we know. 292 00:14:03,350 --> 00:14:05,250 Sesno: In April of '96, 293 00:14:05,283 --> 00:14:06,403 several people determined 294 00:14:06,433 --> 00:14:08,353 that they needed to get her out of the White House 295 00:14:08,383 --> 00:14:10,383 and they wanted to get her over to the Pentagon 296 00:14:10,416 --> 00:14:13,126 and away from Bill Clinton, and that's what they did. 297 00:14:13,166 --> 00:14:16,026 And the rest truly is history. 298 00:14:16,066 --> 00:14:18,476 Monica, met her where? 299 00:14:19,016 --> 00:14:20,016 At the Pentagon. 300 00:14:20,050 --> 00:14:22,100 ♪♪ 301 00:14:25,050 --> 00:14:26,150 Tripp: This was abuse of a child. 302 00:14:26,183 --> 00:14:28,323 Don't ever believe that this was consensual sex, 303 00:14:28,350 --> 00:14:30,130 and he went to extraordinary lengths 304 00:14:30,166 --> 00:14:32,216 to cover that up, criminal lengths. 305 00:14:32,250 --> 00:14:34,120 Larry: Abuse of a child even though she was older? 306 00:14:34,150 --> 00:14:36,330 Well, look. She was -- I have kids that age. 307 00:14:36,366 --> 00:14:38,146 She was 21. 308 00:14:38,183 --> 00:14:41,333 Monica is 21 going on 14 on a good day, 309 00:14:41,366 --> 00:14:44,376 and she was a child. 310 00:14:44,416 --> 00:14:49,226 She was a mixed up, unstable, volatile child. 311 00:14:49,266 --> 00:14:51,026 Sesno: Linda Tripp was this peculiar woman 312 00:14:51,066 --> 00:14:52,096 who worked at the Pentagon, 313 00:14:52,133 --> 00:14:54,173 who had an agenda all her own, it seems. 314 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,230 Judd: Tripp worked in the George H.W. Bush White House, 315 00:14:58,266 --> 00:15:00,426 and then Bill Clinton won. 316 00:15:00,466 --> 00:15:02,996 [ Cheers and applause ] 317 00:15:03,033 --> 00:15:05,173 And it became pretty clear 318 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,470 that she didn't like Bill Clinton very much. 319 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,380 Toobin: The Clinton administration 320 00:15:10,416 --> 00:15:13,026 transferred her out to the Pentagon 321 00:15:13,066 --> 00:15:16,376 where she didn't want to be and was unhappy. 322 00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:18,176 There were a number of alienated 323 00:15:18,216 --> 00:15:20,016 White House employees 324 00:15:20,050 --> 00:15:23,150 who had been very successful in writing books 325 00:15:23,183 --> 00:15:25,273 about how terrible the Clintons were, 326 00:15:25,300 --> 00:15:28,030 and Linda starts thinking about a book deal, 327 00:15:28,066 --> 00:15:29,416 and she mentions it to Tony Snow, 328 00:15:29,450 --> 00:15:31,400 who had been the White House press secretary. 329 00:15:31,433 --> 00:15:35,353 So Tony Snow arranges for Linda Tripp 330 00:15:35,383 --> 00:15:38,123 to meet Lucianne Goldberg. 331 00:15:38,150 --> 00:15:39,270 Goldberg: Linda was, to me, 332 00:15:39,300 --> 00:15:41,470 your basic hardworking bureaucrat. 333 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,470 Toobin: Lucianne Goldberg is a literary agent 334 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,330 who loves conservatives, but even more than that, 335 00:15:48,366 --> 00:15:52,166 she loves gossip and juice and controversy, 336 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,250 and Linda Tripp is manna from heaven for her. 337 00:15:55,283 --> 00:15:56,353 This is not about me. 338 00:15:56,383 --> 00:15:58,153 It's about Linda Tripp. 339 00:15:58,183 --> 00:16:00,333 I was in the position to get information 340 00:16:00,366 --> 00:16:02,196 that it looked like the rest of the world 341 00:16:02,233 --> 00:16:04,103 was interested in hearing. 342 00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:09,033 Sesno: Monica Lewinsky gets to the Pentagon, 343 00:16:09,066 --> 00:16:10,246 and she meets Linda Tripp. 344 00:16:10,283 --> 00:16:13,373 Monica was looking to Linda, who was older and more experienced 345 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,480 in the government, for advice, and they liked talking 346 00:16:17,016 --> 00:16:18,396 and, I think, talked very, very frequently, 347 00:16:18,433 --> 00:16:21,133 sometimes in person and often on the phone. 348 00:16:21,166 --> 00:16:22,466 Larry: And when you got to know her, did you like her? 349 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,150 A lot. A lot. 350 00:16:24,183 --> 00:16:26,173 -Mm-hmm. -Like an aunt? 351 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,300 Like a -- no, my aunt is incredible. 352 00:16:29,333 --> 00:16:31,483 [ Laughs ] She was nothing like an aunt. 353 00:16:32,016 --> 00:16:33,266 You have to weigh a bigger mistake 354 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:36,120 between the moment of getting involved with the President 355 00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:38,280 and the moment of blurting out 356 00:16:38,316 --> 00:16:41,076 that I had the affair with him to Linda Tripp as -- 357 00:16:41,116 --> 00:16:42,376 You relate them equally? 358 00:16:42,416 --> 00:16:46,026 I probably have to say that. Really? 359 00:16:46,066 --> 00:16:49,046 McDaniel: And so Monica chose Linda as her confidant. 360 00:16:49,083 --> 00:16:51,083 As this relationship developed, 361 00:16:51,116 --> 00:16:54,476 she would regularly tell Linda what was going on. 362 00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:05,350 Sesno: Tripp wanted to sell her story to Lucianne Goldberg, 363 00:17:05,383 --> 00:17:08,183 which would help Linda Tripp's pocketbook. 364 00:17:21,166 --> 00:17:24,166 My job is to sell books, so I was going to do everything 365 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,230 I could to move that story along, 366 00:17:26,266 --> 00:17:27,476 sell the book, take my 10%, 367 00:17:28,016 --> 00:17:30,266 and go on to the next person. 368 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:34,300 That was my motivation. I mean, it was a job. 369 00:17:47,366 --> 00:17:50,116 I told Linda I had to have more solid evidence 370 00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:52,450 than her say-so for her to do a book. 371 00:17:52,483 --> 00:17:54,103 She said, "Well, what can I do?" 372 00:17:54,133 --> 00:17:56,453 And I said, "Can you just tape your conversations? 373 00:17:56,483 --> 00:17:58,103 And she said, "I don't know how to do that." 374 00:17:58,133 --> 00:18:00,323 And I said, "Well, you go to Radio Shack, 375 00:18:00,350 --> 00:18:03,230 and you buy a inexpensive recorder. 376 00:18:03,266 --> 00:18:04,296 They will tell you how to do it. 377 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:06,323 You just put it on your phone," 378 00:18:06,350 --> 00:18:09,450 and that's the thing that got her kind of messed up 379 00:18:09,483 --> 00:18:14,203 was that it's illegal in Maryland. 380 00:18:14,233 --> 00:18:17,083 I didn't know. It was just, you know, the dumbness on my part. 381 00:18:17,116 --> 00:18:18,276 How would I know? 382 00:18:22,316 --> 00:18:25,216 These phone calls go on and on, 383 00:18:25,250 --> 00:18:31,120 hour after hour with Monica complaining about her boyfriend, 384 00:18:31,150 --> 00:18:34,380 Bill Clinton, whom she calls the big creep. 385 00:18:47,366 --> 00:18:49,266 [ Laughter ] 386 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:54,200 Linda Tripp is the definition of the faithless, 387 00:18:54,233 --> 00:19:00,123 horrible friend who is dragging these highly personal, 388 00:19:00,150 --> 00:19:03,130 highly embarrassing secrets out of Monica, 389 00:19:03,166 --> 00:19:06,046 not for Monica's sake, but for Linda's sake. 390 00:19:38,016 --> 00:19:40,076 Goldberg: She never said to me she felt guilty, 391 00:19:40,116 --> 00:19:41,126 and I don't think she did. 392 00:19:41,166 --> 00:19:44,116 I think she felt she had a higher calling. 393 00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:46,180 Lewinsky: You and I have a good friendship and stuff, 394 00:19:46,216 --> 00:19:48,026 and I consider you a good friend. 395 00:19:48,066 --> 00:19:52,076 ♪♪ 396 00:19:52,116 --> 00:19:55,466 On February 28th, the day after Chelsea's 17th birthday, 397 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,470 Monica made her visit to the president 398 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,280 wearing what would probably become 399 00:19:59,316 --> 00:20:02,076 the most famous blue dress in history. 400 00:20:02,116 --> 00:20:03,446 And the result of the sexual encounter 401 00:20:03,483 --> 00:20:06,253 is that there's a semen stain on her dress. 402 00:20:06,283 --> 00:20:10,123 Larry: How did the semen on the dress even come up? 403 00:20:10,150 --> 00:20:12,350 She wanted me to try on some jackets 404 00:20:12,383 --> 00:20:14,133 that she thought I would fit into, 405 00:20:14,166 --> 00:20:17,126 and I did, and at that time, 406 00:20:17,166 --> 00:20:19,466 she pulled out the semen-stained dress and showed it to me. 407 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:20,470 Was it one little stain? 408 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,220 No, it was everywhere. 409 00:20:23,250 --> 00:20:25,270 One day, Linda Tripp calls me up 410 00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:30,470 and describes a blue dress that has a stain 411 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,380 that would prove what it was 412 00:20:33,416 --> 00:20:36,476 Monica Lewinsky had been telling her. 413 00:20:37,016 --> 00:20:39,346 And she said, "Do you think I should take it?" 414 00:20:39,383 --> 00:20:41,403 I said, "And do what with it?" 415 00:20:41,433 --> 00:20:43,353 And she said, "Give it to you." 416 00:20:43,383 --> 00:20:45,073 What would I do with it? 417 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:48,350 Linda just mentioned it to me, almost casually, one night. 418 00:20:48,383 --> 00:20:51,253 She said she was going to have it dry cleaned, 419 00:20:51,283 --> 00:20:55,473 and I said, "Oh, for God's sake, don't let her do that." 420 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,280 Toobin: Now, Linda, who's not a forensic expert, 421 00:20:59,316 --> 00:21:03,226 doesn't know whether it could still be tested, 422 00:21:03,266 --> 00:21:07,226 so she asked Lucianne Goldberg, "Can the dress still be tested?" 423 00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:12,196 Lucianne doesn't know, but she has a former client, 424 00:21:12,233 --> 00:21:16,473 Mark Fuhrman, the detective in the O.J. Simpson case, 425 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,330 who does know something about DNA evidence. 426 00:21:21,366 --> 00:21:24,426 So Lucianne Goldberg asked Mark Fuhrman, 427 00:21:24,466 --> 00:21:26,396 "You know, if there's this dress that's been stained, 428 00:21:26,433 --> 00:21:28,153 could you still test it?" 429 00:21:28,183 --> 00:21:33,023 And he says yes, so Lucianne says to Linda, 430 00:21:33,050 --> 00:21:35,170 "Tell her to save the dress." 431 00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:15,030 But did you ever think of this? 432 00:22:15,066 --> 00:22:17,366 If she didn't tell you to save the dress, 433 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,200 President Clinton today 434 00:22:19,233 --> 00:22:22,053 could be saying he never had a relationship with you. 435 00:22:22,083 --> 00:22:23,133 Mm-hmm. 436 00:22:23,166 --> 00:22:26,026 So in that sense, didn't Linda Tripp help you? 437 00:22:28,050 --> 00:22:29,100 I don't know. 438 00:22:29,133 --> 00:22:32,103 It's -- I think that's one thing 439 00:22:32,133 --> 00:22:35,203 that I'll probably never be able to reconcile within me. 440 00:22:35,233 --> 00:22:36,283 Because he would have denied it. 441 00:22:36,316 --> 00:22:38,146 Of course he would have. 442 00:22:38,183 --> 00:22:43,253 On May 24, 1997, Bill told Monica it was over. 443 00:22:43,283 --> 00:22:46,083 Man: Did you ever receive a call from the President? 444 00:22:46,116 --> 00:22:47,096 Sesno: She would have gone, 445 00:22:47,133 --> 00:22:49,133 had the whole story not exploded. 446 00:22:54,233 --> 00:22:58,023 I'm really sort of trying to do the best 447 00:22:58,050 --> 00:23:01,380 I can with the situation that I found myself in. 448 00:23:01,416 --> 00:23:03,116 Larry: Even though you know you're part of the fault 449 00:23:03,150 --> 00:23:04,180 for the situation. 450 00:23:04,216 --> 00:23:07,376 Of course, and I'm not blameless for it. 451 00:23:07,416 --> 00:23:13,146 I completely recognize that I bear 452 00:23:13,183 --> 00:23:16,173 some responsibility in what happened. 453 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,430 Welcome back to "How It Really Happened." 454 00:23:17,466 --> 00:23:19,096 I'm Hill Harper. 455 00:23:19,133 --> 00:23:21,403 In early 1997, President Bill Clinton 456 00:23:21,433 --> 00:23:23,253 and Monica Lewinsky's affair 457 00:23:23,283 --> 00:23:25,373 had been going on for more than a year, 458 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,330 but how long could they keep it a secret? 459 00:23:27,366 --> 00:23:30,046 At the same time the President was seeing Monica, 460 00:23:30,083 --> 00:23:31,483 he was fighting a sexual harassment lawsuit 461 00:23:32,016 --> 00:23:33,276 from Paula Jones. 462 00:23:33,316 --> 00:23:35,476 Jones' attorneys fought and won the right to question 463 00:23:36,016 --> 00:23:37,076 other women President Clinton 464 00:23:37,116 --> 00:23:39,196 may have had sexual encounters with. 465 00:23:39,233 --> 00:23:42,223 Now, they began looking for others to testify. 466 00:23:42,250 --> 00:23:44,420 The Paula Jones case and the Lewinsky affair 467 00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:46,220 were about to collide, 468 00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:48,250 and the results for President Clinton 469 00:23:48,283 --> 00:23:51,003 would spell disaster. 470 00:23:51,033 --> 00:23:53,073 Lewinsky: It has been made clear to me that there's no way 471 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:55,420 I'm going to be able to come back to the White House. 472 00:23:55,450 --> 00:23:59,000 ♪♪ 473 00:23:59,033 --> 00:24:04,203 On May 24, 1997, Bill told Monica it was over. 474 00:24:04,233 --> 00:24:06,073 Sesno: So then this relationship isn't going any place, 475 00:24:06,100 --> 00:24:08,330 and Monica realizes that she's going to have to figure out 476 00:24:08,366 --> 00:24:10,116 where is she going to land, 477 00:24:10,150 --> 00:24:12,200 and she expresses an interest in going to New York. 478 00:24:12,233 --> 00:24:14,353 Man: And you received a job offer from Revlon, 479 00:24:14,383 --> 00:24:15,423 with the help of Vernon Jordan. 480 00:24:15,450 --> 00:24:17,020 Is that correct? Yes. 481 00:24:17,050 --> 00:24:18,280 She enlists the help of Vernon Jordan, 482 00:24:18,316 --> 00:24:21,116 one of Bill Clinton's closest friends and allies. 483 00:24:27,216 --> 00:24:28,446 Lewinsky: I'm afraid to hear him say, "Yes, of course, 484 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,280 I'll do that," and then him not do it. 485 00:24:31,316 --> 00:24:33,346 Sesno: Clearly the president was trying to keep her happy. 486 00:24:33,383 --> 00:24:37,083 She would have gone, had the whole story not exploded. 487 00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:40,230 McDaniel: The Paula Jones lawsuit 488 00:24:40,266 --> 00:24:42,346 was working its way through the system, 489 00:24:42,383 --> 00:24:46,383 and it came time for depositions to be taken. 490 00:24:46,416 --> 00:24:48,046 Isikoff: The judge had said, 491 00:24:48,083 --> 00:24:53,053 "Other women who were state or federal employees 492 00:24:53,083 --> 00:24:55,433 were fair game to be subpoenaed 493 00:24:55,466 --> 00:25:00,246 as potential witnesses in the Paula Jones lawsuit 494 00:25:00,283 --> 00:25:04,153 if it fit into a pattern of Bill Clinton's conduct." 495 00:25:04,183 --> 00:25:09,233 The lawyers for Paula Jones became aware of Linda Tripp 496 00:25:09,266 --> 00:25:10,396 and Monica Lewinsky, 497 00:25:10,433 --> 00:25:13,403 and so they put them on the witness list. 498 00:25:13,433 --> 00:25:15,133 So you went to the Paula Jones lawyer? 499 00:25:15,166 --> 00:25:16,276 No. Mnh-mnh. 500 00:25:16,316 --> 00:25:18,466 But I allowed them to find me. 501 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,250 By letting it be known that you could be found? 502 00:25:21,283 --> 00:25:24,253 Well, I told Lucianne Goldberg that if they contacted me, 503 00:25:24,283 --> 00:25:26,153 I would be forthcoming with them. 504 00:25:26,183 --> 00:25:29,253 It eventually was clear that the Paula Jones lawyers 505 00:25:29,283 --> 00:25:32,203 were having outside legal help 506 00:25:32,233 --> 00:25:36,253 from a network of conservative lawyers 507 00:25:36,283 --> 00:25:39,273 who I call the elves. 508 00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:42,120 And one of them is Anne Coulter, 509 00:25:42,150 --> 00:25:44,070 the famous conservative activist. 510 00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:47,480 Another one is a lawyer named Conway, 511 00:25:48,016 --> 00:25:51,416 who is married to Kellyanne Conway, 512 00:25:51,450 --> 00:25:55,170 who becomes a very famous person during the Trump campaign, 513 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,400 and this group who were working in secret for Paula Jones 514 00:25:58,433 --> 00:26:02,373 become the glue between the Paula Jones case 515 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,030 and the Monica Lewinsky matter. 516 00:26:05,066 --> 00:26:09,296 They figure out that if they could get the information 517 00:26:09,333 --> 00:26:13,203 that Linda Tripp has about Monica Lewinsky 518 00:26:13,233 --> 00:26:16,253 into the hands of the Paula Jones lawyers, 519 00:26:16,283 --> 00:26:19,323 they could really create a lot of mischief. 520 00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:22,420 That's exactly what they did. 521 00:26:22,450 --> 00:26:24,320 Toobin: Bob Bennett, Clinton's lawyer, 522 00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:26,470 in preparation for his deposition, 523 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,000 goes through a list of names who might come up, 524 00:26:30,033 --> 00:26:32,103 Monica Lewinsky's name, 525 00:26:32,133 --> 00:26:34,053 and Clinton pooh-poohs the whole thing. 526 00:26:34,083 --> 00:26:35,383 He said, "You think I'm crazy to get involved 527 00:26:35,416 --> 00:26:38,376 with someone like that?" 528 00:26:38,416 --> 00:26:40,026 Good question. 529 00:26:40,066 --> 00:26:43,176 Bear in mind that this was a carefully coordinated 530 00:26:43,216 --> 00:26:44,416 political trap 531 00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:48,070 set for Bill Clinton to fall into. 532 00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:50,470 Man: In the morning on December the 17th, 533 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,270 did you receive a call from the President? 534 00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:55,200 Yes. 535 00:26:55,233 --> 00:26:59,373 What was the purpose of that call? 536 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,230 To tell me that my name was on a witness list 537 00:27:03,266 --> 00:27:05,016 for the Paula Jones case. 538 00:27:05,050 --> 00:27:06,150 Once I had been subpoenaed 539 00:27:06,183 --> 00:27:09,123 in the Paula Jones case in December 540 00:27:09,150 --> 00:27:11,300 and that Linda had been subpoenaed 541 00:27:11,333 --> 00:27:13,233 in the Paula Jones case, 542 00:27:13,266 --> 00:27:17,346 my antenna started to go up, and I was petrified. 543 00:27:17,383 --> 00:27:20,373 I was concerned because the subpoena 544 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,350 had called for a hat pin, 545 00:27:22,383 --> 00:27:26,323 that I turn over a hat pin, and that was an alarm to me. 546 00:27:26,350 --> 00:27:28,320 It mentions a hat pin, 547 00:27:28,350 --> 00:27:32,330 one of the gifts that Bill Clinton has given her, 548 00:27:32,366 --> 00:27:35,316 so she begins to suspect someone has been 549 00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:40,080 telling the Paula Jones lawyers about their relationship, 550 00:27:40,116 --> 00:27:43,216 and she goes to Linda Tripp to speculate about that, 551 00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:47,220 not knowing that Linda Tripp is 552 00:27:56,316 --> 00:28:00,046 Isikoff: She's continuing to talk to Linda Tripp 553 00:28:00,083 --> 00:28:02,253 who she thinks is her good friend. 554 00:28:09,266 --> 00:28:12,366 Sesno: Lewinsky, after consultations in Washington 555 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,450 with the Clinton loyalists, signed an affidavit 556 00:28:14,483 --> 00:28:17,223 saying there was no sexual relationship. 557 00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:20,070 Isikoff: And at the same time, she's becoming more 558 00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:24,400 and more anxious about getting this job, 559 00:28:24,433 --> 00:28:30,023 so it could look more and more like Bill Clinton 560 00:28:30,050 --> 00:28:36,080 is trying the get her a job in order to keep her quiet. 561 00:28:36,116 --> 00:28:38,476 In the beginning of 1998, Bill and Hillary 562 00:28:39,016 --> 00:28:42,326 went to the Virgin Islands on a vacation. 563 00:28:42,366 --> 00:28:45,996 McDaniel: A long-angled camera was able to capture 564 00:28:46,033 --> 00:28:47,433 the two of them dancing on the beach. 565 00:28:47,466 --> 00:28:50,296 Andersen: There was a speculation that this had been arranged 566 00:28:50,333 --> 00:28:51,433 for public consumption to show 567 00:28:51,466 --> 00:28:55,146 that they were indeed still very much in love. 568 00:28:55,183 --> 00:28:59,473 Isikoff: Bill and Hillary not having a care in the world 569 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:05,080 while all this turmoil is about to unfold. 570 00:29:11,166 --> 00:29:13,476 This just in -- Kenneth W. Starr, 571 00:29:14,016 --> 00:29:16,246 a Republican and former appellate judge 572 00:29:16,283 --> 00:29:18,053 and solicitor general, 573 00:29:18,083 --> 00:29:19,373 has been named by a special court 574 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,330 to take over as independent counsel 575 00:29:21,366 --> 00:29:25,276 in charge of the Whitewater Investigation. 576 00:29:25,316 --> 00:29:29,216 Ken Starr started with the investigation into Whitewater. 577 00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:32,370 McDaniel: Whitewater was a real-estate transaction 578 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,050 in which it was believed 579 00:29:34,083 --> 00:29:36,403 that Mrs. Clinton and perhaps the President 580 00:29:36,433 --> 00:29:38,183 had gotten a special deal 581 00:29:38,216 --> 00:29:40,046 because they'd had insider knowledge. 582 00:29:40,083 --> 00:29:44,153 Starr was an odd choice to be the independent counsel, 583 00:29:44,183 --> 00:29:45,383 special prosecutor. 584 00:29:45,416 --> 00:29:47,166 He had never prosecuted anyone. 585 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,380 He had never worked in criminal law. 586 00:29:49,416 --> 00:29:54,226 I think his motive was always to be a devoted public servant. 587 00:29:54,266 --> 00:29:59,026 I'm certain that when he first came in 1994, 588 00:29:59,066 --> 00:30:03,016 his thought was, "This will be done in about 6 months." 589 00:30:03,050 --> 00:30:06,480 What happened was, as the investigation went on, 590 00:30:07,016 --> 00:30:09,296 a bunch of other scandals involving President Clinton 591 00:30:09,333 --> 00:30:12,403 or Mrs. Clinton occurred, for example, 592 00:30:12,433 --> 00:30:15,453 the White House Travel Office investigation. 593 00:30:15,483 --> 00:30:20,353 We also got assigned to handle the Vince Foster investigation. 594 00:30:20,383 --> 00:30:23,003 Mr. Clinton canceled his public appearances today, 595 00:30:23,033 --> 00:30:26,453 except to share his grief for Foster's apparent suicide. 596 00:30:26,483 --> 00:30:29,473 Doyle: Vince Foster was the Deputy White House Counsel, 597 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,020 and he tragically killed himself. 598 00:30:33,050 --> 00:30:34,450 There were allegations that he was murdered. 599 00:30:34,483 --> 00:30:36,383 That was never proven. 600 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:42,420 Isikoff: The Whitewater case, by late '97, 601 00:30:42,450 --> 00:30:45,020 was beginning to look like 602 00:30:45,050 --> 00:30:48,030 it was meandering and going nowhere. 603 00:30:48,066 --> 00:30:49,196 Starr is getting heat. 604 00:30:49,233 --> 00:30:51,153 When are you going to wrap this thing up? 605 00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:56,323 And then suddenly, along comes Monica Lewinsky. 606 00:30:56,350 --> 00:30:59,300 Wisenberg: We first heard the name Monica Lewinsky 607 00:30:59,333 --> 00:31:03,233 when we got a call from Linda Tripp. 608 00:31:03,266 --> 00:31:05,476 We were completely uninterested 609 00:31:06,016 --> 00:31:09,066 in whether he was having an affair with Monica Lewinsky. 610 00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:11,420 I think presidents should be allowed, 611 00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:12,430 even encouraged, 612 00:31:12,466 --> 00:31:14,376 to have all the affairs they want. 613 00:31:14,416 --> 00:31:17,276 That wasn't what was going on. 614 00:31:17,316 --> 00:31:20,176 What we were told by Linda Tripp, 615 00:31:20,216 --> 00:31:23,266 who's a very intelligent and manipulative person, 616 00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:28,430 is that Monica Lewinsky is being asked to lie 617 00:31:28,466 --> 00:31:32,216 for the president by Vernon Jordan, 618 00:31:32,250 --> 00:31:36,270 and she's being asked to fill out a false affidavit. 619 00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:42,320 ♪♪ 620 00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:46,420 So they took it upon themselves to start investigating 621 00:31:46,450 --> 00:31:49,350 whether there had been obstruction of justice 622 00:31:49,383 --> 00:31:51,233 in the Paula Jones case. 623 00:31:51,266 --> 00:31:53,216 Sesno: Paula Jones gets connected to Monica Lewinsky. 624 00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:55,270 Monica Lewinsky leads back to the President. 625 00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:56,330 It's a disaster. 626 00:31:56,366 --> 00:31:58,116 Wisenberg: Linda Tripp was scheduled to meet 627 00:31:58,150 --> 00:31:59,480 the very next day with Monica Lewinsky. 628 00:32:00,016 --> 00:32:02,226 What better way than to wire her up 629 00:32:02,266 --> 00:32:06,016 and see if she can corroborate some of the things 630 00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:08,200 she's been talking about with us. 631 00:32:08,233 --> 00:32:09,383 Sesno: Linda is wearing a wire. 632 00:32:09,416 --> 00:32:12,326 Of course, Lewinsky has no idea. 633 00:32:12,366 --> 00:32:13,326 Tripp: I feel like we're in the middle 634 00:32:13,366 --> 00:32:15,266 of a John Grisham book, frankly. 635 00:32:25,383 --> 00:32:27,073 Tell me the honest truth, Monica, 636 00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:28,280 because this means a lot to me. 637 00:32:28,316 --> 00:32:29,476 Has he already said that? 638 00:32:30,016 --> 00:32:31,326 Lewinsky: What? That someone else knows? 639 00:32:31,366 --> 00:32:33,146 Mm-hmm. Yeah. 640 00:32:42,216 --> 00:32:43,346 Great. 641 00:32:43,383 --> 00:32:47,483 Things are reaching this remarkable moment of crescendo. 642 00:32:50,150 --> 00:32:54,200 I get a phone call that day tipping me off 643 00:32:54,233 --> 00:32:59,083 that the FBI was involved, that Ken Starr was involved. 644 00:32:59,116 --> 00:33:00,446 I nearly fell off my chair. 645 00:33:00,483 --> 00:33:02,273 I mean, my God. 646 00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:04,150 This is real. 647 00:33:04,183 --> 00:33:06,223 This is going to explode. 648 00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:10,300 ♪♪ 649 00:33:10,333 --> 00:33:12,353 Ken Starr's investigator decided 650 00:33:12,383 --> 00:33:15,083 that it was time to talk directly with Monica herself. 651 00:33:15,116 --> 00:33:17,376 To see if she would cooperate with us, 652 00:33:17,416 --> 00:33:19,326 to see whether or not there really 653 00:33:19,366 --> 00:33:24,176 is obstruction of justice going on. 654 00:33:24,216 --> 00:33:27,046 Judd: Tripp invited Monica Lewinsky to meet her 655 00:33:27,083 --> 00:33:29,003 at a food court in a mall. 656 00:33:29,033 --> 00:33:31,353 Monica Lewinsky thought it was a social occasion. 657 00:33:31,383 --> 00:33:32,483 It was not. 658 00:33:33,016 --> 00:33:34,446 Goldberg: Linda told me they were going to meet 659 00:33:34,483 --> 00:33:36,423 at the courtyard coffee shop, 660 00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:39,430 and evidently the place was swarming with FBI. 661 00:33:39,466 --> 00:33:41,226 Little does Monica know, 662 00:33:41,266 --> 00:33:44,046 not only is Linda Tripp not her friend, 663 00:33:44,083 --> 00:33:46,273 not only has she been recording her, but who's waiting for her? 664 00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:49,050 Not just Linda Tripp, but FBI agents. 665 00:33:49,083 --> 00:33:54,103 Linda Tripp was -- was keeping notes in a notebook. 666 00:33:54,133 --> 00:33:57,133 She writes about Monica, "We are on opposite sides. 667 00:33:57,166 --> 00:33:59,316 Guilt is still there but lessening. 668 00:33:59,350 --> 00:34:02,300 Her decision to lie is hers alone." 669 00:34:02,333 --> 00:34:05,003 Goldberg: : Linda called me from the escalator 670 00:34:05,033 --> 00:34:07,003 and said she was on her way to meet Monica. 671 00:34:07,033 --> 00:34:08,333 She said, "I see her now." 672 00:34:08,366 --> 00:34:10,416 Then the phone goes dead. 673 00:34:10,450 --> 00:34:14,370 And I never spoke to her again. 674 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,420 McDaniel: All of a sudden, the FBI agents 675 00:34:16,450 --> 00:34:18,200 descended on the place, 676 00:34:18,233 --> 00:34:20,423 they took Monica up to a hotel room. 677 00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:23,480 Lewinsky: That's when I knew I was in trouble. 678 00:34:24,016 --> 00:34:26,026 This was definitely something that had gone awry. 679 00:34:26,066 --> 00:34:27,466 Isikoff: The strategy was to flip Monica, 680 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,380 get her to talk about Vernon Jordan's efforts 681 00:34:31,416 --> 00:34:36,446 to get her a job in exchange for her being quiet 682 00:34:36,483 --> 00:34:39,423 about her affair with Bill Clinton. 683 00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:42,130 That's what they were hoping, 684 00:34:42,166 --> 00:34:44,166 but it doesn't quite play out that way. 685 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,100 She decided not to tell us anything. 686 00:34:46,133 --> 00:34:48,133 Isikoff: At one point, Monica's allowed to leave the room, 687 00:34:48,166 --> 00:34:51,476 and she passes Linda Tripp on the escalator. 688 00:34:52,016 --> 00:34:56,126 At this point, she knows Linda Tripp has betrayed her. 689 00:34:56,166 --> 00:34:58,366 "Thanks a lot," she says. 690 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,220 "They did it to me too," Linda replies, 691 00:35:02,250 --> 00:35:05,300 which, of course, is a total lie. 692 00:35:05,333 --> 00:35:06,483 Sesno: Nothing of this has broken yet. 693 00:35:07,016 --> 00:35:10,046 These storm clouds are gathering just over the horizon, 694 00:35:10,083 --> 00:35:13,433 but most of the media and the public had no idea. 695 00:35:19,250 --> 00:35:20,280 Larry: When is the last time you spoke to Bill Clinton? 696 00:35:20,316 --> 00:35:24,076 January of '98, obviously before this broke. 697 00:35:24,116 --> 00:35:25,326 Was it a good-bye call or what? 698 00:35:25,366 --> 00:35:28,146 No, I mean, of course not. 699 00:35:28,183 --> 00:35:31,103 Nobody knew this was going to happen. 700 00:35:31,133 --> 00:35:32,283 Van Susteren: Tomorrow in the nation's capital, 701 00:35:32,316 --> 00:35:35,416 President Clinton will be deposed by Paula Jones' lawyers. 702 00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:37,250 He becomes the first sitting president 703 00:35:37,283 --> 00:35:40,073 to testify as a defendant. 704 00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:43,370 Isikoff: January 17th is the day of the deposition 705 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,120 of Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit, 706 00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:52,070 and he has no idea what he's walking into. 707 00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:54,070 Man: Do you understand, sir, that your answers 708 00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:56,070 to my questions today are testimony 709 00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:57,330 that is being given under oath? 710 00:35:57,366 --> 00:36:00,016 Yes. If the President had known 711 00:36:00,050 --> 00:36:04,080 how much we knew about Monica Lewinsky, 712 00:36:04,116 --> 00:36:07,176 I believe he would have either delayed the deposition, 713 00:36:07,216 --> 00:36:11,046 settled the case, or answered in a very different way. 714 00:36:11,083 --> 00:36:15,083 And your testimony is subject to the penalty of perjury. 715 00:36:15,116 --> 00:36:16,366 Do you understand that, sir? 716 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,180 I do. 717 00:36:19,216 --> 00:36:21,426 He sticks to his script, 718 00:36:21,466 --> 00:36:25,116 claims he doesn't remember Paula Jones, 719 00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:29,000 and then the questions come about Monica Lewinsky. 720 00:36:29,033 --> 00:36:31,223 Did anyone other than your attorneys ever tell you 721 00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:33,120 that Monica Lewinsky had been served 722 00:36:33,150 --> 00:36:35,070 with a subpoena in this case? 723 00:36:37,416 --> 00:36:39,066 I don't think so. 724 00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:42,180 Clinton went into his deposition with some confidence 725 00:36:42,216 --> 00:36:44,376 about the Monica Lewinsky situation 726 00:36:44,416 --> 00:36:47,116 because he already knew 727 00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:49,380 that Monica had signed an affidavit 728 00:36:49,416 --> 00:36:51,296 saying nothing had taken place, 729 00:36:51,333 --> 00:36:54,323 so if he denied it and she denied it, 730 00:36:54,350 --> 00:36:57,050 he thought he was probably home free, 731 00:36:57,083 --> 00:36:59,353 and then he got a strange gift. 732 00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:02,303 Instead of just asking him in a straightforward way, 733 00:37:02,333 --> 00:37:05,403 "Did Monica Lewinsky perform oral sex on you?" 734 00:37:05,433 --> 00:37:09,283 they asked it in this incredibly convoluted way. 735 00:37:09,316 --> 00:37:13,476 That allowed him to sort of talk around the truth 736 00:37:14,016 --> 00:37:17,216 of their relationship when a straightforward question 737 00:37:17,250 --> 00:37:21,130 would have yielded a complete and obvious lie. 738 00:37:21,166 --> 00:37:22,476 Man: This is a definition of a term 739 00:37:23,016 --> 00:37:25,166 that will be used in the course of my questioning. 740 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,200 The term is sexual relations. 741 00:37:29,233 --> 00:37:32,173 He was asked whether or not, under the definition 742 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,230 in the case, he had sexual contact with Monica Lewinsky. 743 00:37:36,266 --> 00:37:41,346 He brazens right through it and denies a sexual relationship 744 00:37:41,383 --> 00:37:47,223 with Monica Lewinsky and figures the whole thing is over. 745 00:37:47,250 --> 00:37:52,170 Counsel is fully aware that Ms. Lewinsky has filed -- 746 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,080 has an affidavit which they are in possession of saying 747 00:37:56,116 --> 00:37:59,396 that there was absolutely no sex of any kind, 748 00:37:59,433 --> 00:38:03,233 in any manner, shape, or form with President Clinton. 749 00:38:03,266 --> 00:38:05,446 It's absolutely clear what sexual contact 750 00:38:05,483 --> 00:38:10,353 meant under the definition, and he lied about it. 751 00:38:10,383 --> 00:38:14,103 In paragraph eight of her affidavit, she says this, 752 00:38:14,133 --> 00:38:16,383 "I have never had a sexual relationship 753 00:38:16,416 --> 00:38:18,076 with the President." 754 00:38:18,116 --> 00:38:20,316 Is that a true and accurate statement as far as you know it? 755 00:38:20,350 --> 00:38:22,000 That is absolutely true. 756 00:38:22,033 --> 00:38:25,023 After he did that, he was then on record, 757 00:38:25,050 --> 00:38:28,230 under oath in the deposition, as having lied, 758 00:38:28,266 --> 00:38:32,996 and that really set the basis for everything that followed. 759 00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:36,200 Isikoff: And at that point, 760 00:38:36,233 --> 00:38:40,053 I thought this was a no-brainer of a story, 761 00:38:40,083 --> 00:38:42,483 that this was going to be one of the biggest 762 00:38:43,016 --> 00:38:48,426 and most explosive political stories in Washington in years, 763 00:38:48,466 --> 00:38:51,446 but the editors atNewsweek were nervous. 764 00:38:51,483 --> 00:38:54,003 We were racing towards a deadline. 765 00:38:54,033 --> 00:38:56,303 It was late in the afternoon. 766 00:38:56,333 --> 00:38:59,033 We had to make a decision whether to publish or not. 767 00:38:59,066 --> 00:39:02,176 We knew it was possible that this could lead to the President 768 00:39:02,216 --> 00:39:04,276 of the United States being removed from office. 769 00:39:04,316 --> 00:39:06,426 Are we sure we know what we're talking about here? 770 00:39:06,466 --> 00:39:09,016 Are we sure this reporting is true? 771 00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:10,330 And so late on Saturday night, 772 00:39:10,366 --> 00:39:12,316 we made the decision not to publish. 773 00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:13,450 They were just afraid of it. 774 00:39:13,483 --> 00:39:16,383 They were afraid to come out and publish a story 775 00:39:16,416 --> 00:39:18,996 saying that the President of the United States 776 00:39:19,033 --> 00:39:20,303 was having a blatant affair. 777 00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:22,183 Isikoff: Obviously, I was bummed. 778 00:39:22,216 --> 00:39:26,396 We knew more about this than anybody else. 779 00:39:26,433 --> 00:39:29,303 Nobody else had talked to Linda Tripp 780 00:39:29,333 --> 00:39:30,453 or Lucianne Goldberg, 781 00:39:30,483 --> 00:39:34,353 or knew about how Ken Starr had gotten involved. 782 00:39:34,383 --> 00:39:36,473 The phone rings, and it's Mike, and he's furious. 783 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,480 He's absolutely livid, and he said, 784 00:39:39,016 --> 00:39:40,996 "They're not going to run it. They've spiked it," 785 00:39:41,033 --> 00:39:42,403 so that's when I took it to "Drudge." 786 00:39:42,433 --> 00:39:46,323 I said, "I'm sitting on a story that nobody wants to publish. 787 00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:48,350 It's yours if you want it." 788 00:39:48,383 --> 00:39:51,273 "Drudge Report," January 17, 1998. 789 00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:53,030 11:32 P.M. 790 00:39:53,066 --> 00:39:56,346 "The Drudge Report" has learned that reporter Michael Isikoff... 791 00:39:56,383 --> 00:39:58,333 ...developed the story of his career, 792 00:39:58,366 --> 00:40:01,276 only to have it spiked by topNewsweek 793 00:40:01,316 --> 00:40:03,046 ...hours before its publication. 794 00:40:03,083 --> 00:40:04,283 A young woman, 23... 795 00:40:04,316 --> 00:40:07,126 ...sexually involved with the love of her life, 796 00:40:07,166 --> 00:40:08,996 the President of the United States... 797 00:40:09,033 --> 00:40:11,473 ...since she was a 21-year-old intern at the White House. 798 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,430 She was a frequent visitor to a small study 799 00:40:13,466 --> 00:40:15,096 just off the Oval Office... 800 00:40:15,133 --> 00:40:17,303 ...where she claims to have indulged the President's 801 00:40:17,333 --> 00:40:19,203 sexual preference. 802 00:40:19,233 --> 00:40:22,073 Michael Isikoff was not available for comment 803 00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:23,420 late Saturday. 804 00:40:24,483 --> 00:40:26,223 [ Imitates explosion ] 805 00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:28,070 A potentially damaging cloud 806 00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:29,370 is hanging over the White House this morning. 807 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,280 This story is a bomb, literally, that drops out of the air. 808 00:40:32,316 --> 00:40:36,016 CNN has confirmed that Whitewater counsel Kenneth Starr 809 00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:39,070 has been granted permission to expand his investigation. 810 00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:41,320 What we wanted to know was everything. 811 00:40:41,350 --> 00:40:43,220 Information about an alleged affair 812 00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:45,150 continues to pour out of Washington. 813 00:40:45,183 --> 00:40:47,253 Doyle: We had absolutely no idea 814 00:40:47,283 --> 00:40:48,483 what was going to come at us. 815 00:40:49,016 --> 00:40:51,216 We had no idea that there was going to be 816 00:40:51,250 --> 00:40:54,400 a semen-stained blue dress. 817 00:40:54,433 --> 00:40:56,483 Today, more details and more denials 818 00:40:57,016 --> 00:40:59,016 in the matter of Monica Lewinsky. 819 00:40:59,050 --> 00:41:02,100 There were salacious accusations 820 00:41:02,133 --> 00:41:05,473 that the public had never heard before. 821 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,200 Press: Meet Monica Lewinsky. 822 00:41:08,233 --> 00:41:11,353 Man: Do you, Monica S. Lewinsky, do swear or affirm... 823 00:41:11,383 --> 00:41:13,153 Did he do it? Didn't he do it? 824 00:41:13,183 --> 00:41:15,283 ...the whole truth and nothing but the truth? 825 00:41:15,316 --> 00:41:19,046 What we realized is this has just begun. 826 00:41:19,083 --> 00:41:20,203 I do. 827 00:41:20,233 --> 00:41:22,433 Larry: When you first saw your name mentioned, 828 00:41:22,466 --> 00:41:24,396 do you remember your first reaction? 829 00:41:24,433 --> 00:41:28,453 I mean, it was just -- it was scary. 830 00:41:28,483 --> 00:41:30,373 Initial reports of this shocking affair 831 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,480 spun Washington on its head, 832 00:41:33,016 --> 00:41:35,346 and news outlets scrambled for details. 833 00:41:35,383 --> 00:41:38,433 Some answers came from reporter Michael Isikoff. 834 00:41:38,466 --> 00:41:40,246 Days after news of the affair leaked, 835 00:41:40,283 --> 00:41:42,233 Newsweek Isikoff's article, 836 00:41:42,266 --> 00:41:44,216 publishing it online, 837 00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:45,470 the first time they'd ever broken 838 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,350 a big news story on the Web, but this was just the beginning. 839 00:41:49,383 --> 00:41:52,303 Monica Lewinsky, Linda Tripp, and a cast of dozens 840 00:41:52,333 --> 00:41:54,473 were now stepping onto the national stage, 841 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,320 a the stage befitting the Shakespearean drama 842 00:41:57,350 --> 00:41:59,480 about to unfold next time 843 00:42:00,016 --> 00:42:02,326 on part 2 of "How It Really Happened." 844 00:42:02,366 --> 00:42:04,126 Thanks for watching. 845 00:42:04,166 --> 00:42:05,176 Good night. 67147

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