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My name is JonBenét Ramsey,
and I'm 5 1/2.
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5 1/2, okay.
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Pick one.
Two left.
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Okay.
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"What is your favorite
animal at the zoo?"
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The monkeys
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because they laugh
and stuff and hang around.
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[ Laughter ]
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♪♪
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♪♪
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Welcome to
"How It Really Happened."
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I'm Hill Harper.
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People have heard the name
JonBenét Ramsey for so long now.
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It's almost like we forget there
was actually a little girl
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who lost her life,
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a smart, adorable 6-year-old
who was brutally murdered.
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Over the years, police
interviewed nearly 600 people,
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took a serious look
at more than 100 suspects
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and built up an investigative
file of more than 60,000 pages,
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and yet, despite
all that police work,
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someone got away with murder.
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We sat down with the people
who lived
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and breathed that story back
in the day
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to find out
how it really happened.
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I found Boulder to be
a gorgeous place
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on the front range
of the Rockies.
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I think it'd be a great place
to live.
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Zesbaugh: The Ramsey family was
so involved in this community.
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They'd been there,
by now, 5 or 6 years.
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Patsy Ramsey was
kind of a socialite.
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John Ramsey was a C.E.O.
of a big company.
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Phelan:
They were avid churchgoers.
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They helped others.
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They were good people.
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Zesbaugh: JonBenét and the cute
older brother, Burke,
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and her mom and her
whole family seemed so loving.
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Neighbors could only say
good things about this family.
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This family was the least
likely family
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to have something
horrific happen to,
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and then Boulder, of course,
itself is a town that's idyllic.
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It's peaceful.
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Boulder at that time, you know,
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the idea was that something like
this couldn't happen here.
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It's just unimaginable
that there would be
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that kind of crime
in that kind of neighborhood.
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Patterson:
The Ramseys, on Christmas Day,
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had a normal
Christmas Day at home.
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Grace: JonBenét got up on
what many children
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consider to be
the greatest day of the year,
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saw her presents,
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had a wonderful day
at home with her family.
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Patterson: JonBenét was playing
with her toys.
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Burke, the 9-year-old son,
went down the block,
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played with one of the kids
down the block.
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About 4:30, 5:00,
Burke came home.
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They got cleaned up.
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The family went to a Christmas
party at a friend's home.
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Patterson: The Whites' house.
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They had dinner over there.
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The kids played and everything.
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They arrived back home
around 9:30 in the evening.
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JonBenét was said
to have been so tired,
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she actually fell asleep
and had to be carried to bed.
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Woodward: She was carried into
the house by her father,
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according to her parents.
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They took her up to her room.
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Patterson: That would've been
the last time
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that John and Patsy say
that they saw her.
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Man: 5:30 a.m.
JonBenét's mother, Patsy,
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goes downstairs and finds
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an apparent ransom note
three pages long.
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Phelan:
Patsy saw the ransom note
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on the steps near the kitchen
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and...like anyone,
freaked out.
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Suddenly, frantic phone calls
that JonBenét was missing.
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After Patsy called 911, she then
called her good friends,
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Fleet and Priscilla White.
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They came right over
because they had seen
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the family
just the night before,
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hours before at
their Christmas party.
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Whitson: It was approximately
6:00 in the morning
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when I received a -- a page
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that we had a 6-year-old girl
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who had been kidnapped
with a ransom note.
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Patterson: My recollection of
Patsy when we got to the house
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was that she was on the couch
in the living room,
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kind of in a fetal position,
all balled up and everything,
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and John was more like
somebody in charge.
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Mr. Ramsey was very calm,
cool and collected.
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And they showed the police
this ransom note,
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which is one of the most bizarre
ransom notes
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anybody has ever seen.
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There were a number of things
unusual about the note.
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Number one, the length
of the note was very long --
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three pages.
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Walker: I've seen and worked
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a number of kidnappings
for the FBI,
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and most of the notes
are very short.
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They're very terse,
very succinct,
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and they give
very specific instructions
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almost like bullet points.
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So my first impression was,
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"This guy
wrote the Magna Carta."
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"Listen carefully.
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We are a group of individuals
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that represent
a small foreign faction.
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At this time, we have your
daughter in our possession.
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You must follow our instructions
to the letter.
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You will withdraw $118,000
from your account."
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I have never seen
a ransom kidnapping that asks
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for such a specific
amount of money -- $118,000.
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"Speaking to anyone about
your situation, such as police,
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FBI, et cetera, will result in
your daughter being beheaded."
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It was very much
directed at John.
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It was addressed "Mr. Ramsey."
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It was all directed at him,
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no reference to Patsy in there
that I recall at all.
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"Don't try to grow a brain,
John.
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Use that good Southern
common sense of yours."
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The note had said that
they were gonna call
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between 8:00
and 10:00 in the morning.
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Costello: So police were
searching around the house.
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They were trying to figure out
how someone might have gotten in
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or -- or gotten out.
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Patterson: There were no signs
of a struggle in the house.
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There was no signs
of forced entry.
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And that's when Mr. Ramsey
went upstairs
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to wake up his son, Burke.
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You know, he's 9 years old, and
the father is gonna tell him
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that his sister is missing.
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Patterson:
He was awakened
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and driven over
to the Whites' house
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and left for the day.
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Woodward: There was so much
chaos and turmoil in the house.
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They wanted to get him
away from it.
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At this point, we realize, okay,
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we haven't had a call
from the kidnapper
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because
the kidnapping note said,
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"I'm gonna call you
between 8 and 10,"
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and no call has come in.
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Hill:
The house was filling up.
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The family's minister was there,
their friends, the Whites,
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and also another couple,
the Fernies.
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And they were all out
in the living room,
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and that's where the discussions
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were taking place
with Detective Arndt.
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Hill: By midday,
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most of the police officers
had returned to headquarters
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so they could try to figure out
what they were dealing with.
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Velez-Mitchell:
So by about 1:00,
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the only detective
that was still there
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was Detective Linda Arndt,
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and it was clear that everybody
was just getting antsy.
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You know, they were, like,
frazzled.
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"W-what are we gonna do?"
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So she suggests to Mr. Ramsey
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and his friend, Fleet White,
that they go,
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and they search the house again
just one last time.
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John:
When I opened the -- the door,
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then I turned the light on
and I...
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[ Sighs ]
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Patsy:
She was down there.
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That was her.
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Velez-Mitchell: So it was about
8 hours after Patsy Ramsey
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had called 911 that John Ramsey
and his friend, Fleet White,
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searched the house
one last time.
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We waited until after the time
that the call
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was supposed
to have been made to us,
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and one of the detectives
asked me and my friend
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who was there to go through
every inch of the house to see
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if there was anything that was
unusual or abnormal,
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looked out of place.
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So we started in the basement,
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and we're just looking.
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John says he then moved
to the storage closet.
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John: When I opened
the -- the door
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and turned the light on...
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Patsy:
She was down there.
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That was her.
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Woman:
The body of JonBenét Ramsey,
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strangled and beaten,
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is found in the basement
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of her parent's Boulder,
Colorado, home.
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John: I picked her up,
and I just screamed,
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the -- the -- the --
the kind of scream you scream
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in a dream when you --
you -- you --
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you're trying to speak,
but you can't.
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It's just a scream.
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Woodward: Rigor mortis had
already sent in,
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and he was in --
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I guess you would
call it such shock.
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When I brought JonBenét up,
Linda Arndt knelt over and --
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And, I guess, felt for a pulse
and looked at me,
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said, "She's dead."
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At that point,
kind of pandemonium
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broke out in the house.
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I remember seeing Mrs. Ramsey
crying profusely.
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It was a mother's wail,
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rocking back and forth
and holding JonBenét.
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Nobody could say anything.
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What do you say
when that happens?
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There's nothing you can say
to make it any better.
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Woodward:
This little girl was tortured.
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Very few people realize that.
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Zesbaugh: She had a garotte
around her throat
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and a nylon cord that was tied
around her throat very tightly,
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leaving a lot of rope burns.
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A ligature strangulation around
the neck, now, that is serious.
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That's a very violent death.
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And I remember my first
thought was,
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"I want to catch
the person that did this."
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Camerota:
So imagine this scenario --
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The family and a couple friends
are sitting around,
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and they're waiting for
a kidnapper to get in contact,
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and then the father
finds the body.
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Patterson: A lot of things
didn't make sense.
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If, in fact, she was killed
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while they were
"attempting to kidnap her,"
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why would they leave
a ransom note
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with her body
still in the house?
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Walker: The only thing
I could think of was,
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"This is now a murder case.
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It's not a kidnapping."
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My God, what -- what a mess
this crime scene
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has been made of by all
these people walking around,
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touching this, touching that.
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You know, who knows
who was upstairs?
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Who knows who was downstairs?
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In the eyes of a lot of people,
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this home has been
completely contaminated
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as far as a crime scene.
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I think the cops probably went,
"Oh, no."
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In this split second, the police
are now no longer
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looking for her kidnapper.
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Now they're looking for
the killer of JonBenét.
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Hill:
But instead of interrogating
the Ramseys right then,
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they actually asked everyone
to leave the house
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so they could secure
the crime scene.
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Woodward: They should've been
told, "Come with us.
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Let's go to police headquarters.
Let's sort this out."
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Instead, they went
to a friend's house.
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Zesbaugh:
Then it was interesting
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over the next few days
to see the Ramseys lawyer up.
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John got his own lawyer.
Patsy got her own lawyer.
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They each got press people
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and PR people to help them
craft statements.
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And these high-powered
lawyers tell them,
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"Don't talk to the police."
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Man 2: What is the status
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in regards to a formal
sit-down interview?
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We are working obviously
through their attorneys now,
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which they have both secured.
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I think if you ask anybody
on the street,
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one of the first things
they'll say is,
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"Gee, if this were my kid,
I'd be --
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I'd let them interview me
100 times,
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whatever it would take."
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Patterson: That's kind of the
feeling that we had is,
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"Why are they doing this?
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Why -- why aren't
they cooperating?"
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♪♪
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♪♪
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Man 3: One might say,
"Wait a minute.
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The parents would be suspects
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or at least early on would
be looked at as suspects.
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Why would they be allowed
to leave the state
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if they hadn't been
formally interviewed?"
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There was no legal reason
for us to detain the Ramseys.
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They were not under arrest.
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They were not being held.
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No one had been formally
identified as a suspect,
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and we had no legal grounds
on which to detain them
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from going to
their daughter's funeral.
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Man 4: A grief-stricken family
said goodbye
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to 6-year-old
JonBenét Ramsey Tuesday.
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Services were held
in the very church
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where JonBenét was baptized
more than 5 years ago
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before her family moved.
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I can tell you that the heart
of God
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is broken by the tragic death
of JonBenét Ramsey.
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Man 4: The questions persist,
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"Why a ransom note
if the child was killed?
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Why was her body
in the basement?
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And above all,
why this little girl?"
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♪♪
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And then the very next day
after burying their daughter,
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the Ramseys decide to talk
but not with the police.
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They speak with CNN in Atlanta.
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Cabell: Okay. Well, let me start
out first of all.
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Why did you decide
you wanted to talk?
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They had not yet really given
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any kind of substantive
interviews with police,
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and they're on
national television
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talking about this case.
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Cabell: An FBI spokesman was
quoted as saying,
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"At this point,
they don't regard it
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necessarily as a kidnapping."
301
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Doesn't sound
like kidnapping to me.
302
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Got to wonder what happened.
303
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W-was this a true attempt to...
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I don't know.
...get ransom?
305
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It does --
it makes no sense to me.
306
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I don't know.
307
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You believe it's someone
outside your home?
308
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There is a killer
on the loose.
309
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Absolutely.
310
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I don't know who it is.
311
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I don't know if it's a he
or a she.
312
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But if I were a resident
of Boulder,
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I would tell my friends
to keep...
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It's okay.
315
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...keep your babies
close to you.
316
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There's someone out there.
317
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Prendergast: It was -- it was a
somewhat histrionic interview
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by Patsy Ramsey in particular,
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who didn't look like she was
in any kind of condition
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to be on -- on television.
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Cabell:
When you return to Boulder,
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you will sit down
with the Boulder police?
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Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
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We want them to know
everything possible --
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Everything.
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if it can help them.
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Whatever they want.
328
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Whatever anyone wants,
we will cooperate.
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Man 2: Did it surprise
anybody
with the police department
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that this interview
was conducted on CNN
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given the fact that they
hadn't
been formally interviewed
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by the police department?
333
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I think it would be very safe
to say
334
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police were very surprised
at the interview.
335
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They did not know
it was going to happen.
336
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They were as taken aback
as anybody else.
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Walker:
What's interesting is, you know,
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the Ramseys go on television
339
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to say that they fully
cooperated with the police.
340
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They've given statements
for the police,
341
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and that was total B.S.
342
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There was a pendulum swing where
you thought initially, "Okay.
343
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This family had nothing
to do with it."
344
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But then the weird
CNN interview
345
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where Patsy Ramsey
looked drugged up,
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John Ramsey looked irritated
with her
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and very, very icy and stoney,
and then you got sort of
348
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the personalities
of these two people.
349
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"Is this who's involved?
350
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Maybe they did have
something to do with it".
351
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Hill: So when the Ramseys
got back to Boulder
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after their daughter's funeral,
353
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the media was all there
waiting for them,
354
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but so were the police.
355
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Woodward:
And this police officer,
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he just burst into the room,
357
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you know, "You can't believe
what I've got.
358
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You can't believe this.
359
00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:57,100
You got to look at this
piece of paper."
360
00:17:01,066 --> 00:17:04,146
Woman 2:
15, JonBenét Ramsey.
361
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JonBenét, hi.
362
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Costello: Around this time,
363
00:17:07,083 --> 00:17:08,323
the media
gets ahold of this video,
364
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and it showed
little JonBenét Ramsey
365
00:17:11,233 --> 00:17:15,283
dressed up like a grown-up woman
in a beauty pageant.
366
00:17:15,316 --> 00:17:19,426
She has makeup on and --
and lipstick and big hair,
367
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and it was just bizarre
to see something like that.
368
00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:26,420
Why did she do the --
the pageants?
369
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She loved it.
We had a great time.
370
00:17:28,100 --> 00:17:29,450
She liked it herself?
She was -- she -- she loved it.
371
00:17:29,483 --> 00:17:30,473
JonBenét
was an entertainer.
372
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She loved to entertain.
373
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And you encouraged it?
Absolutely.
374
00:17:35,166 --> 00:17:37,366
Were you a stage mother,
honestly?
375
00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,100
Probably.
Yeah, that was you.
376
00:17:39,133 --> 00:17:40,203
What's wrong with that?
377
00:17:40,233 --> 00:17:44,153
She was in those child
beauty pageants,
378
00:17:44,183 --> 00:17:47,323
which turned everybody
against her and her family.
379
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:50,080
I think that's the biggest
crime of all.
380
00:17:50,116 --> 00:17:52,066
At that time, not a lot
of people knew a lot
381
00:17:52,100 --> 00:17:53,230
about child beauty pageants,
382
00:17:53,266 --> 00:17:56,316
but Patsy Ramsey was
a former beauty queen.
383
00:17:56,350 --> 00:17:57,470
She'd been Miss West Virginia,
384
00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,430
so this was a world
that she knew pretty well.
385
00:18:00,466 --> 00:18:04,016
She introduced her to it to see
if she liked it, and she waited
386
00:18:04,050 --> 00:18:07,430
till she was, like, 4 or 5
to gave her a choice.
387
00:18:07,466 --> 00:18:09,426
"Do you think you want to go up
there and do that?"
388
00:18:09,466 --> 00:18:12,416
And -- and the child is kind of
just a natural performer
389
00:18:12,450 --> 00:18:14,380
and said, "Yes."
390
00:18:14,416 --> 00:18:16,076
Woman 3:
Congratulations.
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Grant: It started
with those videos
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of JonBenét and her outfits.
393
00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:26,083
Juxtaposing that with
the horrendous killing,
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it just lends itself
to sensationalism.
395
00:18:31,166 --> 00:18:34,096
Cabell: This started out
as a simple but tragic murder
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00:18:34,133 --> 00:18:36,083
of a child beauty queen,
397
00:18:36,116 --> 00:18:38,466
but then questions arose,
curiosity arose,
398
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and suddenly the media
descended on Boulder.
399
00:18:44,133 --> 00:18:47,153
It became a media frenzy.
400
00:18:48,466 --> 00:18:50,146
Reporters, producers,
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photographers and the tabloids
were there.
402
00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:56,450
We are told now that as many
as 300 media representatives
403
00:18:56,483 --> 00:19:00,083
may be here right
now following this story.
404
00:19:00,116 --> 00:19:02,276
Prendergast: So suddenly, there
was a national press here
405
00:19:02,316 --> 00:19:04,396
and a pretty aggressive press,
406
00:19:04,433 --> 00:19:07,403
much more than Boulder
was used to.
407
00:19:07,433 --> 00:19:09,033
Estrich:
I want to say nothing negative
408
00:19:09,066 --> 00:19:10,396
about a family
going through hell,
409
00:19:10,433 --> 00:19:13,073
but why the hell aren't
they talking to the police?
410
00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:14,280
I just don't understand.
411
00:19:14,316 --> 00:19:16,226
Parshall:
This is a bizarre case,
a mother and father
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who get their own attorney,
who get their own spokespeople,
413
00:19:18,350 --> 00:19:20,430
who don't immediately
begin to cooperate
414
00:19:20,466 --> 00:19:23,066
and talk with the police
to try to find the killer.
415
00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:24,320
They wait.
416
00:19:24,350 --> 00:19:26,320
Why don't the police
just take them downtown
417
00:19:26,350 --> 00:19:27,270
and talk to them?
418
00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:29,170
Is that
just not possible?
419
00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,120
It doesn't work that way
in a democracy, ma'am.
420
00:19:31,150 --> 00:19:33,430
You are entitled
to Constitutional protections.
421
00:19:33,466 --> 00:19:37,216
You can't be dragged down and
forced to participate in a --
422
00:19:37,250 --> 00:19:39,080
In a formal police interview.
423
00:19:39,116 --> 00:19:41,146
Even though the Ramseys
weren't talking,
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00:19:41,183 --> 00:19:43,233
the police were actually
making some headway
425
00:19:43,266 --> 00:19:45,196
with that ransom note.
426
00:19:46,450 --> 00:19:51,070
I asked Mr. Ramsey for a sample
427
00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:54,370
of his
and Mrs. Ramsey's handwriting,
428
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,420
and he gave me two notepads.
429
00:19:58,450 --> 00:20:02,170
These pads were pads
that were kept by the telephone,
430
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,230
and each John and Patsy
had their own pads.
431
00:20:06,300 --> 00:20:09,080
Camerota: When the experts
compared the tear patterns
432
00:20:09,116 --> 00:20:13,996
from the ransom note
to Patsy's note pad,
433
00:20:14,033 --> 00:20:17,183
they made a remarkable
discovery.
434
00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:18,996
Woodward: Within about 15
minutes, came back,
435
00:20:19,033 --> 00:20:22,023
and he just burst into the room,
this conference room.
436
00:20:22,050 --> 00:20:23,080
You know, "You can't believe
what I've got.
437
00:20:23,116 --> 00:20:24,366
You can't believe this.
438
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,130
You got to look
at this piece of paper."
439
00:20:26,166 --> 00:20:28,346
It turned out that the kidnapper
440
00:20:28,383 --> 00:20:32,473
had written the ransom note
on Patsy's note pad.
441
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,400
And this police officer,
who was in that meeting,
442
00:20:34,433 --> 00:20:36,483
said everybody looks
at each other and says
443
00:20:37,016 --> 00:20:40,996
"Oh, my gosh.
What's going on here?
444
00:20:41,033 --> 00:20:46,083
These people may have done
something to their daughter,
445
00:20:46,116 --> 00:20:48,166
and we need to look
at this completely differently."
446
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:53,130
Whitson: That's the first tidbit
of information that we had
447
00:20:53,166 --> 00:20:58,096
that made it look like the
Ramseys were possible suspects.
448
00:20:58,133 --> 00:21:00,083
They may have been involved
with this.
449
00:21:00,116 --> 00:21:02,146
Velez-Mitchell: So after weeks
of searching for clues,
450
00:21:02,183 --> 00:21:05,273
the police come up
with another clue.
451
00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:10,000
They find that the garotte,
made of a broken paintbrush,
452
00:21:10,033 --> 00:21:13,453
that paintbrush actually
belonged to Patsy Ramsey.
453
00:21:13,483 --> 00:21:16,103
I think at the time, people
thought it was interesting
454
00:21:16,133 --> 00:21:18,273
that, "A," there was
a paintbrush involved in it
455
00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:21,200
that was Patsy Ramsey's
that was kept in the basement.
456
00:21:21,233 --> 00:21:23,333
Also, the ransom note
was written off a pad
457
00:21:23,366 --> 00:21:25,296
that was found in the home.
458
00:21:25,333 --> 00:21:28,273
Who writes a ransom note inside
the home and leaves it there?
459
00:21:28,300 --> 00:21:30,000
It's either the father
or the mother.
460
00:21:30,033 --> 00:21:32,353
I mean, this is what everybody
in America pretty much thinks.
461
00:21:32,383 --> 00:21:33,303
That's right.
Yeah.
462
00:21:33,333 --> 00:21:34,353
The question is,
which one?
463
00:21:34,383 --> 00:21:36,273
Were they together
on the deal?
464
00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:39,020
Everybody thought the Ramseys
had some involvement in it.
465
00:21:39,050 --> 00:21:43,450
We know that, the next morning,
the Ramseys were getting ready
466
00:21:43,483 --> 00:21:46,453
to leave to go
to Charlevoix, Michigan,
467
00:21:46,483 --> 00:21:49,033
to enjoy the rest
of the holiday.
468
00:21:49,066 --> 00:21:53,066
There's just no way that
this was an intentional act.
469
00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:57,430
The only logical explanation
for this offense
470
00:21:57,466 --> 00:22:02,076
is that it's an accident
followed by a cover-up.
471
00:22:02,116 --> 00:22:05,046
It is the only
logical explanation.
472
00:22:05,083 --> 00:22:06,303
Van Susteren: The only thing,
obviously, the --
473
00:22:06,333 --> 00:22:08,253
The child obviously was
very well taken care of.
474
00:22:08,283 --> 00:22:10,123
She had the best
of everything,
475
00:22:10,150 --> 00:22:12,070
and the only sort of thing
is whether or not --
476
00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:13,100
Did you lose your --
477
00:22:13,133 --> 00:22:14,283
you know,
could someone lose his temper?
478
00:22:14,316 --> 00:22:15,366
No.
479
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,400
You know, that, I mean,
that was the only thing.
480
00:22:16,433 --> 00:22:18,053
That was the -- the --
481
00:22:18,083 --> 00:22:19,173
Greta, the key point --
people say, "well, you know,
482
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,370
80% of the time,
60%, it's the parents."
483
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,330
In every case,
I will bet in --
484
00:22:24,366 --> 00:22:26,446
Where a parent has murdered
or harmed a child,
485
00:22:26,483 --> 00:22:29,283
there's been a previous
history of that.
486
00:22:29,316 --> 00:22:31,276
The problem with
the "accident" theory --
487
00:22:31,316 --> 00:22:33,046
What kind of accident
488
00:22:33,083 --> 00:22:37,223
would cause a parent
to kill their child?
489
00:22:37,250 --> 00:22:39,420
The most common trigger
in older children
490
00:22:39,450 --> 00:22:42,250
who are killed
is a toileting accident
491
00:22:42,283 --> 00:22:44,433
that leads to
an explosion of rage
492
00:22:44,466 --> 00:22:48,346
and either a severe injury
or occasionally a murder.
493
00:22:48,383 --> 00:22:50,033
Blitzer:
Even bed-wetting could --
494
00:22:50,066 --> 00:22:52,196
Could lead to this kind of a --
a -- a criminal act.
495
00:22:52,233 --> 00:22:54,403
I've seen dozens of cases
where bed-wetting led
496
00:22:54,433 --> 00:22:56,123
to this kind of an act.
497
00:22:56,150 --> 00:22:58,100
Now, she had
a bed-wetting problem,
498
00:22:58,133 --> 00:23:02,383
a serious bed-wetting problem,
that was ongoing for years,
499
00:23:02,416 --> 00:23:05,396
even at this particular age,
age 5 and 6.
500
00:23:05,433 --> 00:23:09,273
That was one of the theories
that was out there,
501
00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:12,330
that JonBenét had wet the bed
502
00:23:12,366 --> 00:23:14,176
and that Mrs. Ramsey
503
00:23:14,216 --> 00:23:17,116
went into a fit of rage
over that.
504
00:23:17,150 --> 00:23:19,080
Velez-Mitchell:
But the Ramseys' friends,
505
00:23:19,116 --> 00:23:20,996
they were having
none of this idea,
506
00:23:21,033 --> 00:23:23,173
that John and Patsy
murdered their own child.
507
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,220
I mean, to them, it seemed
completely preposterous.
508
00:23:27,250 --> 00:23:29,030
It is just ludicrous.
509
00:23:29,066 --> 00:23:31,246
There is just --
there's no way.
510
00:23:31,283 --> 00:23:34,073
When you heard
of this murder,
511
00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:36,100
first time you heard of it,
where were you,
512
00:23:36,133 --> 00:23:37,283
and what did you think?
513
00:23:37,316 --> 00:23:40,226
I was at work, and a mutual
friend called from Denver,
514
00:23:40,266 --> 00:23:43,226
and I, you know, went numb,
couldn't imagine it.
515
00:23:43,266 --> 00:23:46,446
And I guess what really got me
was when I started
516
00:23:46,483 --> 00:23:48,333
realizing that
they were suspecting them.
517
00:23:48,366 --> 00:23:50,066
I mean,
that just blew my mind.
518
00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:51,170
It couldn't happen.
Because?
519
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,450
Because they're such
wonderful people.
520
00:23:53,483 --> 00:23:57,073
I think people want to believe
the best in people
521
00:23:57,100 --> 00:24:00,300
until they're given a reason
to believe the worst in people,
522
00:24:00,333 --> 00:24:05,103
and the sensationalist media
gave people a reason
523
00:24:05,133 --> 00:24:09,203
to believe the worst about the
Ramseys, wasn't evidence-based.
524
00:24:09,233 --> 00:24:11,423
It was based on media coverage.
525
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,470
Then the case takes
this shocking U-turn.
526
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,120
A new detective comes in,
an outsider, goes back through
527
00:24:17,150 --> 00:24:18,430
all the evidence
and tells the police,
528
00:24:18,466 --> 00:24:20,326
"You know what?
You're wrong."
529
00:24:20,366 --> 00:24:23,416
Perhaps, at first, I leaned
towards the parents doing it
530
00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:25,430
only because
of what I had read
531
00:24:25,466 --> 00:24:27,476
and what I'd seen
on television,
532
00:24:28,016 --> 00:24:30,416
but as I got into the case,
I started seeing red flags,
533
00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:32,350
which started
pointing the other way.
534
00:24:37,016 --> 00:24:39,096
Welcome back to
"How It Really Happened."
535
00:24:39,133 --> 00:24:42,103
As detectives dug deeper
into the JonBenét Ramsey case,
536
00:24:42,133 --> 00:24:45,273
some of them believed all signs
were pointing to Patsy Ramsey.
537
00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:48,170
Their colleagues at the Boulder
D.A.'s office were split.
538
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,380
Some bought into
the police theory,
539
00:24:49,416 --> 00:24:51,246
but others weren't so sure.
540
00:24:51,283 --> 00:24:53,003
Three months
into the investigation,
541
00:24:53,033 --> 00:24:54,203
it was in disarray.
542
00:24:54,233 --> 00:24:56,003
The D.A., Alex Hunter,
543
00:24:56,033 --> 00:24:57,433
needed an objective take
on the case.
544
00:24:57,466 --> 00:25:00,196
What he didn't expect
was for that take
545
00:25:00,233 --> 00:25:03,023
to turn
the investigation upside down.
546
00:25:05,266 --> 00:25:07,316
Hill: When the autopsy report
was released
547
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:10,220
and we found out
how this little girl died,
548
00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:12,350
all of a sudden,
it seemed really surprising
549
00:25:12,383 --> 00:25:16,033
for many people that the parents
could've been involved at all.
550
00:25:16,066 --> 00:25:18,046
The autopsy does not read
like an accident.
551
00:25:18,083 --> 00:25:20,153
It reads like a violent attack.
552
00:25:20,183 --> 00:25:22,433
It's a horrible death.
553
00:25:22,466 --> 00:25:26,016
Man 5: JonBenét Ramsey, 6 years
old, had been strangled,
554
00:25:26,050 --> 00:25:28,470
had her mouth duct-taped,
her hands bound,
555
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,280
her skull fractured.
556
00:25:30,316 --> 00:25:32,396
Whitson:
If you believe Patsy Ramsey
557
00:25:32,433 --> 00:25:34,133
did this to her daughter,
558
00:25:34,166 --> 00:25:36,216
you have to believe
she did all these things
559
00:25:36,250 --> 00:25:42,200
and that then she had
the whereabouts to sit down
560
00:25:42,233 --> 00:25:46,103
and write this ransom note.
561
00:25:46,133 --> 00:25:49,003
And there was one more
horrifying detail
562
00:25:49,033 --> 00:25:51,353
in the autopsy report.
563
00:25:51,383 --> 00:25:56,253
Dr. Spitz: It's quite evident
that there has been an assault
564
00:25:56,283 --> 00:26:00,333
that is interpretable
as being sexual.
565
00:26:00,366 --> 00:26:04,446
There are other questions
that relate to that, of course.
566
00:26:04,483 --> 00:26:07,203
Velez-Mitchell:
When the news came out
567
00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:09,133
that JonBenét Ramsey
had been sexually assaulted,
568
00:26:09,166 --> 00:26:13,126
rumors just started flying that
maybe the father was involved.
569
00:26:13,166 --> 00:26:14,316
Spence: We've got enough
information
570
00:26:14,350 --> 00:26:15,480
that 80% of the people
571
00:26:16,016 --> 00:26:18,416
think that the murderer
in this case was the father.
572
00:26:18,450 --> 00:26:21,020
So, you know, the suggestion
has always been,
573
00:26:21,050 --> 00:26:22,430
I'm sorry, John,
but that you had
574
00:26:22,466 --> 00:26:25,026
somehow been involved
with your child sexually.
575
00:26:25,066 --> 00:26:28,026
But the doctor who saw her
regularly said, "No."
576
00:26:28,066 --> 00:26:30,116
It was almost like a fiction
of the media.
577
00:26:30,150 --> 00:26:33,000
We were accused of -- of --
it was just bizarre.
578
00:26:33,033 --> 00:26:35,253
We were accused of taking her
to the doctor too many times.
579
00:26:35,283 --> 00:26:36,353
She'd been to the --
see the doctor
580
00:26:36,383 --> 00:26:40,053
30 times in 2 years,
the same doctor.
581
00:26:40,083 --> 00:26:41,183
King: Why?
582
00:26:41,216 --> 00:26:42,416
We had a good
health-insurance program.
583
00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:44,320
Patsy:
He enumerated it, bronchitis --
584
00:26:44,350 --> 00:26:46,220
He just did all the --
she had asthma.
585
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:50,400
You know, the doctor
was 5 minutes away.
586
00:26:50,433 --> 00:26:53,033
Most of the experts agree
587
00:26:53,066 --> 00:26:57,016
that there was
a sexual assault that night
588
00:26:57,050 --> 00:27:02,130
but that there was
no prior sexual abuse.
589
00:27:02,166 --> 00:27:07,326
Four people testified that
there was no prior sexual abuse.
590
00:27:07,366 --> 00:27:09,116
Costello: Speculation
is continuing
591
00:27:09,150 --> 00:27:10,200
to fly around who did this.
592
00:27:10,233 --> 00:27:13,053
Like, was it JonBenét's mother,
Patsy?
593
00:27:13,083 --> 00:27:15,153
Was it her dad, John?
594
00:27:15,183 --> 00:27:16,473
Well, the D.A. at this time
has --
595
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,180
has an idea of someone who can
help him figure this out,
596
00:27:19,216 --> 00:27:21,466
and his name was detective
Lou Smit.
597
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,450
Grant: Lou, in my mind,
was an excellent investigator,
598
00:27:27,483 --> 00:27:31,403
a plotter, a fella who --
599
00:27:31,433 --> 00:27:34,123
who went inch by inch
over crime scenes
600
00:27:34,150 --> 00:27:35,320
and over investigations
601
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:38,450
and didn't leave
any stones unturned.
602
00:27:38,483 --> 00:27:42,083
Man 6: What's your attitude
approaching this case?
603
00:27:42,116 --> 00:27:47,076
Great optimism, I'd say,
and I'm ready to --
604
00:27:47,116 --> 00:27:50,996
I'm really anxious to go to work
and see what they got.
605
00:27:51,033 --> 00:27:52,173
And despite all these clues
out there
606
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,330
that seemed to point
to the Ramseys, this detective,
607
00:27:54,366 --> 00:27:57,446
he had a completely
different idea.
608
00:27:57,483 --> 00:28:01,033
Perhaps, at first, I leaned
towards the parents doing it
609
00:28:01,066 --> 00:28:03,046
only because of what
I had read
610
00:28:03,083 --> 00:28:05,103
and what
I'd seen on television,
611
00:28:05,133 --> 00:28:08,023
but as I got into the case,
I started seeing red flags,
612
00:28:08,050 --> 00:28:10,350
which started pointing
the other way.
613
00:28:10,383 --> 00:28:14,133
Lou Smit was a well-respected
veteran police detective,
614
00:28:14,166 --> 00:28:17,116
had worked successfully
on many cases.
615
00:28:17,150 --> 00:28:18,330
Costello: And there was really
this feeling
616
00:28:18,366 --> 00:28:22,346
that this guy could
really crack the case.
617
00:28:22,383 --> 00:28:25,153
Zesbaugh: Lou Smit found
evidence in the crime scene
618
00:28:25,183 --> 00:28:28,103
that he thought directly pointed
away from the Ramseys
619
00:28:28,133 --> 00:28:29,403
and to an intruder.
620
00:28:29,433 --> 00:28:32,473
I believe that, sometime
621
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,230
during December 25,
1996...
622
00:28:37,266 --> 00:28:39,266
King: Christmas night.
...Christmas night,
623
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:42,420
someone got into the house
of John and Patsy Ramsey.
624
00:28:42,450 --> 00:28:46,130
I believe there is some evidence
to suggest strongly
625
00:28:46,166 --> 00:28:50,316
that he may have come in
through a basement window.
626
00:28:50,350 --> 00:28:54,000
There was a scuff mark
down the wall.
627
00:28:54,033 --> 00:28:55,303
There was leaves and debris
on the floor
628
00:28:55,333 --> 00:28:57,053
directly below
that open window.
629
00:28:57,083 --> 00:28:59,423
There was also foliage
under the grate
630
00:28:59,450 --> 00:29:02,450
that covers this window well,
which would indicate
631
00:29:02,483 --> 00:29:05,203
that someone may have opened
and shut the grate.
632
00:29:05,233 --> 00:29:07,183
Also,
there was the suitcase
633
00:29:07,216 --> 00:29:09,226
that was placed
below the window.
634
00:29:09,266 --> 00:29:11,316
According to John Ramsey,
635
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:14,270
that suitcase was not
underneath that window
636
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:16,480
prior to that night.
637
00:29:17,016 --> 00:29:18,296
John Ramsey
said that that's not
638
00:29:18,333 --> 00:29:20,333
where suitcases
are normally kept.
639
00:29:20,366 --> 00:29:23,226
There is evidence
on top of that suitcase,
640
00:29:23,266 --> 00:29:27,146
a very small, tiny,
pea-sized piece of glass,
641
00:29:27,183 --> 00:29:31,133
which could've come off
the shoe of the intruder.
642
00:29:31,166 --> 00:29:34,216
There is also what appears
to be a disturbance
643
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:35,480
on the top
of that suitcase
644
00:29:36,016 --> 00:29:38,126
as if someone may have
stood on it
645
00:29:38,166 --> 00:29:39,226
at some particular point.
646
00:29:39,266 --> 00:29:41,126
He used
the suitcase to get out?
647
00:29:41,166 --> 00:29:42,296
Yes, it would make it
much easier
648
00:29:42,333 --> 00:29:45,173
to get out
of that basement.
649
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,170
He actually at one point
demonstrated
650
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,350
how you could get
through that window,
651
00:29:48,383 --> 00:29:50,483
and he fit through with --
with no problem.
652
00:29:51,016 --> 00:29:53,066
I'll show you how easily
it can be done.
653
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:14,350
♪♪
654
00:30:14,383 --> 00:30:16,303
I believe that the killer
655
00:30:16,333 --> 00:30:19,223
did take JonBenét
from her bed
656
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:21,280
and brought her down
to the deepest,
657
00:30:21,316 --> 00:30:25,196
farthest, dirtiest corner
of that basement
658
00:30:25,233 --> 00:30:27,483
and did fashion
a garotte there
659
00:30:28,016 --> 00:30:29,196
that was used
to strangle her,
660
00:30:29,233 --> 00:30:33,073
and then he also
brutally hit her
661
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:35,130
on the head
with a blunt object.
662
00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:36,246
According to Lou Smit,
663
00:30:36,283 --> 00:30:39,003
the intruder had left
some evidence behind,
664
00:30:39,033 --> 00:30:43,483
a footprint and a palm print
near JonBenét's body,
665
00:30:44,016 --> 00:30:48,146
and these were clues
that could lead to her killer.
666
00:30:48,183 --> 00:30:50,083
Man 7: In the wine cellar,
two footprints
667
00:30:50,116 --> 00:30:51,376
next to JonBenét's body.
668
00:30:51,416 --> 00:30:54,016
One still hasn't been
identified.
669
00:30:54,050 --> 00:30:56,270
Nearby, a partial palm print.
670
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:59,020
There is evidence that's there
could have been an intruder.
671
00:30:59,050 --> 00:31:01,120
You got a weird shoe print
in the basement.
672
00:31:01,150 --> 00:31:02,250
You got a broken window.
673
00:31:02,283 --> 00:31:03,423
You've got some debris.
674
00:31:03,450 --> 00:31:05,300
You've got a suitcase
next to the window.
675
00:31:05,333 --> 00:31:07,223
Hill:
The question then becomes,
676
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:10,450
how could an intruder coax
JonBenét Ramsey
677
00:31:10,483 --> 00:31:12,403
down into the basement?
678
00:31:12,433 --> 00:31:15,083
Lou Smit also found tracks
and marks
679
00:31:15,116 --> 00:31:17,296
on the little girl's
back and neck
680
00:31:17,333 --> 00:31:20,433
that he thought pointed to a
stun gun being used in the case,
681
00:31:20,466 --> 00:31:24,016
that perhaps she'd been taken
from her bed and kept quiet
682
00:31:24,050 --> 00:31:27,080
because she'd been stunned.
683
00:31:27,116 --> 00:31:29,466
I think that the stun gun
is one of the best clues
684
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,080
left behind by the killer
as far as a clue,
685
00:31:34,116 --> 00:31:37,466
but it also may explain
why JonBenét did not cry out
686
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,270
when she was
first abducted.
687
00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:43,270
I am convinced that
a stun gun was used.
688
00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:46,320
Lou detailed 10, 11, 12,
689
00:31:46,350 --> 00:31:49,480
13 points that led him
to believe
690
00:31:50,016 --> 00:31:53,996
that an intruder
had committed this homicide
691
00:31:54,033 --> 00:31:59,053
and not an inside job by any one
of the three family members.
692
00:32:01,166 --> 00:32:04,046
So then, at this point,
the question becomes,
693
00:32:04,083 --> 00:32:06,283
who was this intruder?
694
00:32:06,316 --> 00:32:09,076
Santa Claus was
a darn good suspect.
695
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,120
We know one fact for certain,
and that's an intruder
696
00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:18,070
was in our house
and killed our daughter.
697
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:19,380
That we know for a fact.
698
00:32:19,416 --> 00:32:22,026
So things were really looking up
for the Ramseys.
699
00:32:22,066 --> 00:32:24,296
The evidence seemed to be
pointing to an intruder,
700
00:32:24,333 --> 00:32:27,203
not them.
701
00:32:27,233 --> 00:32:29,353
Moret: Well, are we able to say
at this point that John Ramsey,
702
00:32:29,383 --> 00:32:33,423
the father, has been ruled out
as the writer of that note?
703
00:32:33,450 --> 00:32:35,330
Yes, he has been ruled out,
704
00:32:35,366 --> 00:32:38,276
and he is the only one
ruled out.
705
00:32:38,316 --> 00:32:42,226
King: Was your handwriting
cleared, both of you?
706
00:32:42,266 --> 00:32:44,266
John's definitively was cleared,
and I scored...
707
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:47,000
And yours was not?
...a 4.5 out of 4.
708
00:32:47,033 --> 00:32:49,403
5 is definitely no match.
709
00:32:49,433 --> 00:32:51,403
And it just, you know...
Patsy's handwriting was --
710
00:32:51,433 --> 00:32:53,023
Because tabloids were printing
that it was yours.
711
00:32:53,050 --> 00:32:54,070
Oh, yes, they love that.
712
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:56,220
No, that's absurd.
713
00:32:56,250 --> 00:33:00,170
We've looked at leads
whose handwriting
714
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,050
scored much,
much higher than Patsy's
715
00:33:04,083 --> 00:33:07,083
on a --
on a comparison scale.
716
00:33:07,116 --> 00:33:10,176
So if John and Patsy
didn't write the note,
717
00:33:10,216 --> 00:33:11,416
well, then who did?
718
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:14,270
You know, the police really did
go through dozens and dozens
719
00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:17,250
and dozens
of potential suspects.
720
00:33:17,283 --> 00:33:22,023
And one of the first suspects
was the Ramseys' housekeeper.
721
00:33:22,050 --> 00:33:25,170
Patterson: The housekeeper,
Linda Hoffman-Pugh,
722
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,050
and her husband, Mervin,
723
00:33:27,083 --> 00:33:29,003
were suspects
from the beginning.
724
00:33:29,033 --> 00:33:31,353
In fact, number one,
they were needing money.
725
00:33:31,383 --> 00:33:37,353
She had asked Patsy to borrow
$2,000 shortly before Christmas.
726
00:33:37,383 --> 00:33:40,473
Number two, they had
a familiarity with the house
727
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,400
and with the people
inside the house.
728
00:33:42,433 --> 00:33:44,233
They knew JonBenét.
729
00:33:44,266 --> 00:33:47,426
It would've been possible
for them to go to the house,
730
00:33:47,466 --> 00:33:52,126
take JonBenét
without having a disturbance.
731
00:33:54,433 --> 00:33:56,323
Hill:
When police visited the Pughs,
732
00:33:56,350 --> 00:33:58,470
they discovered the same brand
of duct tape
733
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,280
that had been used
to cover JonBenét's mouth.
734
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,300
Years later, the Ramseys
continued to name her
735
00:34:06,333 --> 00:34:09,403
as a suspect,
but she always denied it.
736
00:34:09,433 --> 00:34:12,333
I think about JonBenét
every day of my life
737
00:34:12,366 --> 00:34:15,296
and have ever
since the day she died.
738
00:34:15,333 --> 00:34:17,303
I've never turned
my porch light off.
739
00:34:17,333 --> 00:34:20,473
My porch light has been on
every night since JonBenét died.
740
00:34:26,316 --> 00:34:28,166
Hill: Then there was
the Santa Claus suspect,
741
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,320
who was a guy
well known around town.
742
00:34:30,350 --> 00:34:32,170
His name was Bill McReynolds.
743
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,420
He was Santa Claus
to the Boulder community
744
00:34:34,450 --> 00:34:37,370
for their parades
and for certain events.
745
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,170
Santa Claus was
a darn good suspect.
746
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,150
McReynolds actually played
Santa Claus
747
00:34:43,183 --> 00:34:44,253
at the Ramseys' Christmas party
748
00:34:44,283 --> 00:34:47,333
just two days
before JonBenét's murder.
749
00:34:47,366 --> 00:34:51,196
And he and JonBenét actually
struck up a friendship.
750
00:34:51,233 --> 00:34:53,383
All children are special
to Santa.
751
00:34:53,416 --> 00:34:56,366
She just happened to be
extra special to me.
752
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,430
She was very thoughtful,
a very caring little girl,
753
00:34:59,466 --> 00:35:02,066
and she actually gave
Santa a present.
754
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:04,480
You can imagine
how rare that is.
755
00:35:05,016 --> 00:35:07,466
Hill: Police learned the
so-called Santa Claus suspect
756
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,370
may have told JonBenét
that a secret Santa Claus
757
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,280
was gonna make
a special visit to her.
758
00:35:14,316 --> 00:35:17,146
Because JonBenét Ramsey the day
before made a comment
759
00:35:17,183 --> 00:35:20,123
to her friends,
760
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:25,130
say Santa Claus gonna
visit her that -- tonight.
761
00:35:25,166 --> 00:35:27,476
We later find out
that he had had
762
00:35:28,016 --> 00:35:29,396
his own brush with kidnapping.
763
00:35:29,433 --> 00:35:31,273
Hill: It turns out McReynolds'
own daughter
764
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:35,000
had also been kidnapped
22 years earlier,
765
00:35:35,033 --> 00:35:37,183
and it also happened
on Christmas Day.
766
00:35:39,216 --> 00:35:42,116
Zesbaugh: His wife had written
a play about a little girl
767
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:43,280
who was killed.
768
00:35:43,316 --> 00:35:46,046
There were just very bizarre
tentacles to this story
769
00:35:46,083 --> 00:35:49,473
that reached in places that
none of us could've suspected.
770
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,020
♪♪
771
00:35:55,050 --> 00:36:00,050
♪♪
772
00:36:00,083 --> 00:36:01,283
Dr. Pitt:
There's this perception,
773
00:36:01,316 --> 00:36:02,466
it's the wrong perception,
774
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,450
that the detectives
really didn't look elsewhere.
775
00:36:05,483 --> 00:36:06,483
Velez-Mitchell:
But the one interview
776
00:36:07,016 --> 00:36:08,146
that police were
really hoping for,
777
00:36:08,183 --> 00:36:12,253
JonBenét's own parents,
that was still on hold.
778
00:36:12,283 --> 00:36:13,383
Man 2: What is the status
779
00:36:13,416 --> 00:36:15,426
in regards to a formal
sit-down interview?
780
00:36:15,466 --> 00:36:19,376
We are working obviously
through their attorneys now.
781
00:36:19,416 --> 00:36:21,146
Velez-Mitchell:
So four months after the murder,
782
00:36:21,183 --> 00:36:24,033
the Ramseys finally sit down
with police.
783
00:36:27,166 --> 00:36:29,046
Man 8: It's the interview
Boulder police
784
00:36:29,083 --> 00:36:30,453
have been trying to get
since Christmas.
785
00:36:30,483 --> 00:36:33,383
John and Patsy Ramsey sat down
for formal interviews
786
00:36:33,416 --> 00:36:36,096
four months since their
daughter, JonBenét,
787
00:36:36,133 --> 00:36:37,183
was murdered.
788
00:36:37,216 --> 00:36:38,416
The interviews happen now,
we're told,
789
00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:41,230
because the Ramseys have told
their attorneys, "This is it.
790
00:36:41,266 --> 00:36:42,276
We did not kill our daughter.
791
00:36:42,316 --> 00:36:44,416
We are innocent,
and we want this closure."
792
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:48,330
Woman 4: JonBenét,
she is the child of Patsy
793
00:36:48,366 --> 00:36:52,176
and John Ramsey
from Boulder, Colorado.
794
00:36:52,216 --> 00:36:54,416
Camerota: So one of the things
that we found out
795
00:36:54,450 --> 00:36:58,230
was that the Ramseys actually
had two different stories
796
00:36:58,266 --> 00:37:00,096
about what happened that night.
797
00:37:06,216 --> 00:37:07,476
Woman 5: There's been
tremendous mistrust
798
00:37:08,016 --> 00:37:10,026
between the Ramsey side and the
Boulder police department,
799
00:37:10,066 --> 00:37:11,126
but the Ramseys said,
"Enough,"
800
00:37:11,166 --> 00:37:13,016
and today talked
with Boulder police.
801
00:37:13,050 --> 00:37:15,100
When police sat down
with the Ramseys,
802
00:37:15,133 --> 00:37:17,183
they had a specific
goal in mind.
803
00:37:17,216 --> 00:37:20,476
They wanted to find out
the timeline from the Ramseys.
804
00:37:21,016 --> 00:37:24,026
They wanted the timeline of
the night their daughter died.
805
00:37:24,066 --> 00:37:26,296
And so there were some very,
very specific things
806
00:37:26,333 --> 00:37:29,333
that they needed to get in terms
of locking in the story,
807
00:37:29,366 --> 00:37:31,266
locking in the timeline.
808
00:37:34,116 --> 00:37:37,216
And the autopsy held
an important clue.
809
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:40,380
This child had undigested
pineapple in her belly,
810
00:37:40,416 --> 00:37:43,116
which means she ate it
within two hours of death.
811
00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:46,100
The evidence seemed to suggest
that JonBenét Ramsey
812
00:37:46,133 --> 00:37:49,453
ate a piece of pineapple
after returning home
813
00:37:49,483 --> 00:37:51,333
from the Whites'
Christmas party,
814
00:37:51,366 --> 00:37:55,146
but John Ramsey said
that she fell asleep in the car
815
00:37:55,183 --> 00:37:56,423
on the way home from the party
816
00:37:56,450 --> 00:37:59,170
and that he carried
her into bed.
817
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,020
Her parents said that
she had been asleep, came home,
818
00:38:02,050 --> 00:38:04,450
and they put her right to bed,
and she never woke up.
819
00:38:04,483 --> 00:38:07,283
Velez-Mitchell:
So if there was no pineapple
820
00:38:07,316 --> 00:38:10,246
served at the Whites'
Christmas party that night,
821
00:38:10,283 --> 00:38:12,183
how did it get into her stomach?
822
00:38:12,216 --> 00:38:16,476
In my career, I never have
a kidnapper or sex predator
823
00:38:17,016 --> 00:38:20,446
bring some pineapple,
feed the victim, say,
824
00:38:20,483 --> 00:38:24,073
"Kid, eat some pineapple
before we kidnap you
825
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:26,170
or before I sexual assault you."
826
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,350
Dr. Pitt: I'd like an answer
827
00:38:27,383 --> 00:38:29,283
for the pineapple
in the child's gut.
828
00:38:29,316 --> 00:38:31,376
I'd like that to be explained.
829
00:38:31,416 --> 00:38:34,346
I'd like to understand the fact
that the Ramseys said
830
00:38:34,383 --> 00:38:37,053
that everyone was asleep,
that we have -- and --
831
00:38:37,083 --> 00:38:40,123
And the child
was not fed pineapple,
832
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:43,220
how we end up with pineapple
in the child's gut
833
00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:45,450
and fingerprints
on the spoon and --
834
00:38:45,483 --> 00:38:48,433
and on the bowl
that were Patsy Ramsey's.
835
00:38:48,466 --> 00:38:50,176
So with so many unanswered
questions,
836
00:38:50,216 --> 00:38:53,016
the district attorney
was really feeling the heat
837
00:38:53,050 --> 00:38:56,380
to convene a grand jury.
838
00:38:56,416 --> 00:38:58,226
Kelley: In the summer of '98,
839
00:38:58,266 --> 00:39:03,016
and we're talking nearly
two years after the crime,
840
00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:06,220
nothing had come of --
of the investigation.
841
00:39:06,250 --> 00:39:08,350
There was pressure
from a lot of quarters,
842
00:39:08,383 --> 00:39:11,383
including the governor,
to impanel a grand jury.
843
00:39:14,183 --> 00:39:18,073
Finally, after months
and months of delays,
844
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:20,250
the district attorney,
Alex Hunter,
845
00:39:20,283 --> 00:39:23,373
finally does what everybody
was waiting for.
846
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,200
Felt like, after two long years
of this little girl
847
00:39:26,233 --> 00:39:29,323
not getting justice that finally
it was moving forward.
848
00:39:29,350 --> 00:39:31,450
Cabell: And frequently lost
behind the sensationalism,
849
00:39:31,483 --> 00:39:34,353
the police investigations
and the legal maneuvering
850
00:39:34,383 --> 00:39:38,123
is the fact that the little
girl died a brutal death.
851
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:40,150
Zesbaugh: I think we were all
very, very hopeful.
852
00:39:40,183 --> 00:39:42,353
How wrong we were.
853
00:39:42,383 --> 00:39:45,073
All of the original suspects,
including the housekeeper
854
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:46,400
and the so-called Santa Claus
suspect,
855
00:39:46,433 --> 00:39:49,373
Bill McReynolds,
were cleared by police.
856
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,270
Now it was up to 12 grand jurors
to decide whether or not
857
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:55,100
there was enough evidence
to indict anyone else.
858
00:39:55,133 --> 00:39:56,173
Would they find answers
859
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,220
the police and the D.A.'s
office couldn't?
860
00:39:58,250 --> 00:40:01,220
That's in part 2 of
"Who killed JonBenét?"
861
00:40:01,250 --> 00:40:04,050
I'm Hill Harper.
Thanks for watching.
862
00:40:04,083 --> 00:40:09,183
♪♪
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