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Reporter: Do you feel as though
you missed out on something
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by not remembering,
not performing?
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Of course,
but I've gained a lot, too.
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A lot of people never get out of
their own hometown
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and get to see
other wonderful places.
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A lot of kids read about things
that I get to see in person
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all over the world
in different places.
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I am so happy about that.
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I mean, you never
can have everything.
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Hey, everyone.
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Welcome to
"How It Really Happened."
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I'm Hill Harper.
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June 25, 2009.
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Paramedics rushed to answer
a call at 100 Carolwood
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in Los Angeles.
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They were told they would find
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a 50-year-old male not
breathing.
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They found Michael Jackson
unconscious on a bed
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in a rented mansion
and in such a state
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that the lead
paramedic firefighter
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said he didn't
even recognize him.
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Tonight, Part 2 of our
examination of the death
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of Michael Jackson.
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What really happened?
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Did he kill himself?
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Was it an overdose?
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Or was he murdered?
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Senneff:
In all my years as a paramedic,
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I had never seen
that level of chaos
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at any incident
I've ever been at.
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Evenstad:
I could see kind of through
the hinge area of the fence
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that there was a gurney being
wheeled out to the ambulance,
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and I could tell that
it was Michael on the gurney.
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So at that point, I told
my photographers,
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"We really need to try
to get this picture
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when the ambulance pulls out."
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Senneff:
Once the patient and the
equipment was loaded
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in the ambulance,
myself and Dr. Murray
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got into the ambulance
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and then started backing
out of the driveway.
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At that point,
that's when I knew
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that this was not
an ordinary call.
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Evenstad:
His staff during that time
looked like
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I've never seen them
before in any situation.
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They looked very afraid
and frightened,
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and this was a security team
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that was always in charge
and had a plan.
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When we arrived at the hospital,
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there were already
some people there,
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and these private security
that Mr. Jackson had
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immediately formed a corridor
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so that we could get
the patient into the hospital.
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We unloaded the patient,
went through the doors
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where the emergency room staff
was waiting for us.
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Announcer:
This is CNN breaking news.
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Michael Jackson,
the King of Pop,
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we're told by our affiliates
in Los Angeles,
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has been rushed
to a local hospital.
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I love you very much.
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Cooper:
What a long, strange trip
it has been for Michael Jackson
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from child star to creator of
the best-selling album ever...
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Hopefully, you know,
that's what I do with my music
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is bring happiness
to people
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and to bring joy
and some peace in their lives.
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...to reclusive billionaire
and criminal defendant,
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but famous or infamous,
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one of the best-known
people on the planet ever.
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Alan Duke of CNN is over
at the UCLA Medical Center.
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Duke: They're not saying
anything here at the hospital.
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In fact, many of the hospital
employees don't know
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or at least didn't know
what was going on.
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We didn't know about Dr. Murray
at that point.
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We didn't know that Michael had
a personal physician who had,
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every night, been giving him
this Propofol infusion
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to treat his insomnia.
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Who would have imagined that?
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Cooper:
Tonight, what we know about
how he died,
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how he is being remembered,
and how he lived.
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When we arrived at the hospital
and proceeded inside,
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we went into one of
the treatment rooms
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where there was a large
gathering of technicians,
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nurses, the doctor
who's in charge,
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and the doctor in charge
spoke with Dr. Murray.
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Duke: Dr. Murray didn't want the
paramedics
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to give up at the house.
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He resisted when they wanted to
basically call it.
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When he got to
the emergency room,
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he also was insistent that,
"We got to keep trying.
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We got to keep trying,"
but what we found out
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was that the other doctor
that was in charge there said
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that she didn't see
any signs of life,
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but there was this doctor
who knew Michael Jackson
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who was saying,
"No, I felt a pulse.
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There's signs of life here.
Let's keep trying."
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So they kept up some
pretty desperate efforts
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to get Michael's heart
beating again,
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to get him breathing again, and
of course, there was no hope.
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What's clear is that he wasn't
honest with medical staff
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there about the drugs
Jackson was taking,
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about the ailments
he was suffering from,
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and about the treatment
he had given him.
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He did not tell them
about the Propofol,
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which is the most
important thing
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that he should have
mentioned at the time.
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Finally, the doctor who was
in charge of the emergency room
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at UCLA Medical Center said,
"We're not trying anything.
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We've tried everything.
There's nothing left to try.
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Let's call this,"
and so they stopped.
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Lemon:
Michael Jackson is declared
dead at the hospital.
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The family is in a room waiting.
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Conrad Murray, his physician
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who is supposed
to be in charge of him,
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goes into the room
with the family and...
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Jermaine:
Michael Jackson passed away
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on Thursday, June 25, 2009,
at 2:26 PM.
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It is believed he suffered
cardiac arrest in his home.
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However, the cause
of his death
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is unknown until results
of the autopsy are known.
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Something that's interesting,
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it was Conrad Murray
that told doctors at UCLA
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that there should be
an autopsy of Michael Jackson.
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He requested it.
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Dr. Murray began asking the
security detail right away
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for rides back
to the Carolwood residence.
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He wanted to avoid the world
discovering that Michael Jackson
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had some cream
back at the house.
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That's what he told the
security detail his reasonings
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were for wanting to return to
the Carolwood residence.
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The security detail
wasn't really --
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didn't think that was
a real good idea
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and collectively decided that
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"We're just going to tell Dr.
Murray that the law enforcement,
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the police department have taken
our keys and no one can leave."
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Shortly after that, Dr. Murray
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spoke with detectives
from West L.A.
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and did inform him that he
was treating Michael Jackson
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for dehydration
and exhaustion.
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He never mentioned
any types of medication
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that he had given Mr. Jackson,
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and those detectives actually
spoke
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and told Dr. Murray to stick
around.
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"Don't go anywhere.
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The detectives from
robbery/homicide are coming.
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They'd want to talk to you."
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Shortly after detectives
Smith and Martinez
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arrived at the hospital,
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they began calling Dr. Murray
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on the phone that he had
provided
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to the West L.A. detectives.
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All their calls were met
with voice mails,
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and eventually,
it just turned off.
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They actually went
and looked at surveillance,
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and he was seen leaving through
a side door of the hospital.
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We realized, "Okay, there is
something going on here
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that we need to look into."
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King:
We're told that that helicopter
carrying Michael Jackson's body
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has left UCLA Medical Center,
heading to the coroner's office.
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Myers: After Michael's death,
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his body was taken to the
Los Angeles County morgue.
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Halperin:
The world was eager to know
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what really happened
to the King of Pop.
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Many people thought that
if you read online
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that Michael was murdered.
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Many people thought
that he committed suicide.
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Many people thought maybe one
of his handlers just did him in
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because the fact
of the matter is,
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Michael was deeply in debt
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when he died to the tune
of $470 odd million,
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and it turns out,
unfortunately,
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Michael was worth
much more dead than alive.
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Morgan:
You have been quoted as saying
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you believe
it may have been murder.
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Do you still think that?
-Absolutely.
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Reporter:
We begin with the latest on the
memorial for Michael Jackson.
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There are estimates that this
morning, hundreds of millions
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will be planning to watch
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Michael Jackson's
memorial service on TV
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and online tomorrow.
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Dimond:
When Michael Jackson died,
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the family set out to make
a funeral for him,
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and very good sources of mine
told me they contacted the LAPD
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and wanted all the streets
in downtown L.A.
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closed off for
Michael Jackson's cortege
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so they could have, you know,
a proper mourning period.
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Duke: The world was in mourning,
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and we needed some kind
of a service, a focus,
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but it was going to take weeks
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before the family
would ever sort out
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where Michael would be interred,
who would pay for it,
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how that would come about,
and so AEG Live
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and some of the others,
music companies and others,
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and friends of Michael Jackson
came together and organized
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a memorial service
for the public.
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Richards: The ceremony itself
cost $1 million.
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Duke:
This was July 7th at the Staples
Center, and it was incredible.
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Halperin:
When everybody congregated
on stage, all the artists,
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to sing "We Are the World,"
it really was a moving moment.
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People felt goose bumps.
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I was there, and I felt
goose bumps.
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♪ We are the world ♪
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♪ We are the children
We are the children ♪
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♪ We are the ones who make
a brighter day ♪
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Duke:
At this memorial, they brought
the children on stage,
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and Paris gave one of
the most moving speeches
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I have ever heard.
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Ever since I was born...
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Daddy has been the best father
you could ever imagine.
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After years of Michael Jackson
covering his children's faces
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with masks or scarves
when they went out in public,
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there they were at his memorial
with no coverings,
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and it was sort
of a jarring moment.
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Duke: And we saw Blanket
holding a doll,
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a Michael Jackson doll
in his hand
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as his father's coffin
was right in front of him.
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It was the most touching
thing you can imagine.
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Dimond:
Naturally no one felt worse
about the death
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of Michael Jackson
than his family.
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I mean, this was a family
that had raised him,
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gotten famous with him, been
through hard times with him,
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and now he's dead, but it was
a bizarre set of circumstances.
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It was kind of strange
to see family members
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who by all accounts
were estranged,
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in the end having to
come together at that funeral
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and talk about their brother
with the children,
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and also, they ended up
having to fight
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for justice for their brother
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and for the truth to come out
about exactly what happened.
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Lemon:
For years there were rumors
initially about
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how Joe Jackson
treated his children,
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especially Michael Jackson.
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That is probably the last person
Michael Jackson
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wanted as his spokesperson
was his father, Joe Jackson.
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It just so happens a couple days
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after Michael Jackson died the
B.E.T. Awards were happening.
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And so we set ourselves up
on the red carpet,
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and then all of a sudden,
Joe Jackson walks up,
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and so he walks up, and I say...
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How you doing, sir?
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How is the family holding up?
-I'm great.
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My family
is doing pretty good.
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-Yeah?
-Yes, they are.
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You want to tell --
the last couple days,
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I know it's been tough
for you guys.
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And...
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And it was a slight pause
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when I go back
and look at the tape,
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but in that moment
it seemed like forever.
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We're working
on that.
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Lemon: And in the middle
of the interview,
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I'm trying to get
this heartfelt interview
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about Michael Jackson
and the family.
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What about Janet and
the rest of the family,
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the daughters and...
-They're all doing fine,
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but I want to make
this statement.
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This is a real good
statement here.
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Marshall
and I have --
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we owned a record company
called -- tell him.
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Ranch Records, okay, distributed
by Blu-Ray Technology,
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and that's his next step.
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And I was flabbergasted.
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He's hawking his DVD on Blu-Ray,
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and I'm like, "Okay, your son
just died a couple days ago."
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It was the oddest experience
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that I'd have ever had
on live television.
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It was a continuation
of a bizarre family dynamic
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between the superstar son
and all the hanger-ons.
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Morgan: How do you
think he died?
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You've been quoted as saying you
believe it may have been murder.
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Do you still think that?
-Absolutely.
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-Why are you so sure?
-Absolutely.
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I would never ever think
differently.
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Because, first of all,
Michael told me
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that they were
going to murder him.
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He was afraid.
-Who?
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Who was going to...
-He was afraid for his life.
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The people that were
involved in his life,
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the people that were
controlling him.
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Without a doubt, Michael Jackson
is worth more dead than alive.
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This has been proved with
the escalation
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in the profits that his estate
have made since his death.
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In fact, he's made more
in the years since he died
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than the combined earnings
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of Jay-Z, Kanye West,
and Taylor Swift.
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Given those figures,
it's natural
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to assume conspiracy theories.
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People might suspect that AEG
Live had a lot to gain
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from Michael Jackson dying.
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LaToya:
They knew he wouldn't be
healthy enough,
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yet they put their
own doctor in who said,
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"Michael, he passed
with flying colors.
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He's in
perfect health."
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Michael was not in
perfect health.
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He was very, very fragile,
very thin, and the coroners,
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I will tell you, this
was not an O.D.
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The coroners told me immediately
that the only drug
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that was in Michael's body
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was the drug that was
administered to him that night,
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and that was it.
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He was totally clean.
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Do you think we will ever
find out the truth?
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I'm going to make
sure we do.
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Blitzer:
Kara Finnstrom is out there
at the home.
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We're seeing motorcycles
and activity
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outside the
Michael Jackson home.
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Kara, tell our viewers
what we're seeing.
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We have just watched as a group
of police officers pull up,
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and I think they are
actually securing off the area.
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At that time, detectives
from robbery/homicide responded
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to the Carolwood address along
with the Department of Coroner
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and their field investigators.
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We are just looking for any
evidence of foul play
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or anything like that.
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They were directed upstairs,
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and they noticed an IV
on an IV stand,
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some medicine on a nightstand
near the bed
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and one bottle of Propofol that
was underneath the nightstand.
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That was the first time
in this investigation
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where Propofol
had been observed.
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So our biggest goal
was to talk to Dr. Murray.
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Richards: He was lying low.
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Perhaps that was on the advice
of his attorneys.
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The LAPD called him, texted him,
no response.
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It was only a couple of days
later, 2 or 3 days later,
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when, on the advice
of his attorney,
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Conrad Murray made contact
with the LAPD,
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and an interview was arranged.
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And he talked,
and he gave them information.
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Wass:
After the rehearsal on the 24th,
when Michael Jackson got home,
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Dr. Murray
was there waiting for him.
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Dr. Murray
set up the saline IV
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and tried
to get Jackson to go to sleep.
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He administered some sedatives,
Lorazepam and Midazolam,
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and Jackson would only go
to sleep for minutes
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and then wake up,
and Jackson was very frustrated
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that he couldn't go to sleep.
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Well, that was the very
first time
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that Dr. Murray
used the word "Propofol."
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Karas:
Conrad Murray says that at
about 10:40 in the morning,
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he pushed a very small amount
of Propofol
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intravenously into
Michael Jackson
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and that he watched him
sort of fall asleep or go under,
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that he left the room
for just a couple of minutes
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and came back,
and Michael wasn't breathing
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and that he immediately
started resuscitative efforts.
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But the phone records,
if you look at them,
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point to a different story
altogether.
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In fact, Murray was on the phone
for a lot of this time.
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Karas: He was making phone calls
between approximately 11:15,
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11:17 AM for 45 more minutes,
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including to a girlfriend
in Houston,
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Sade Anding, the last person
he called at 11:51.
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She remembers Conrad Murray
going silent.
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Perhaps dropping the phone
or putting into his pocket
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and hearing a kerfuffle
going on in the room.
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She didn't know
what was going on.
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She had no idea and hung up,
called him back.
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Just got his answerphone.
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There is an hour's difference
there in his testimony.
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When did Michael Jackson
receive Propofol?
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What was Conrad Murray
specifically saying?
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When did he come back
in the room?
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Who's telling the truth?
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Another big revelation
from the police interview,
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what happened to Dr. Murray's
medical bags on the morning
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Michael Jackson died?
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Murray was seen by
Alberto Alvarez security
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and also a paramedic,
taking medicines
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and medical paraphernalia
and putting them into bags.
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Well, he put that bag
in another room,
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and investigators never
searched the other room,
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so they never found that bag.
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Now, I believe that Dr. Murray
fully believed
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that the Los Angeles Police
Department
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had possession
of his medical bag.
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I think it was for that reason
Dr. Murray agreed to talk to us.
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He agreed to this interview with
his lawyer
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to get out in front
of the Propofol
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and explain
why he was giving Propofol.
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So on Monday, June 29th,
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Detective Martinez had authored
a search warrant
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for the residence
of 100 West Carolwood.
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We went directly to the closet
that Dr. Murray
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had indicated
his medical bag was,
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and inside there was
a lot of medical debris
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and several bottles of Propofol,
and that was the treasure.
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Casarez:
As far as police are concerned,
Dr. Murray
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essentially
handed them the smoking gun.
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Tonight, breaking news.
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Preliminary word from
the Los Angeles Coroner
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on what killed
Michael Jackson.
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The Coroner is ruling
Jackson's death a homicide.
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Kobilinsky:
The Coroner concluded
that Michael Jackson died
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of acute Propofol
intoxication.
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That was supplemented
by the presence
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of Benzodiazepines
in his system.
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The combination of Propofol
with the Benzodiazepines
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will inhibit
the central nervous system,
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and that causes the heart
to slow down,
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and so ultimately,
if you're not careful,
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what can happen is cardiac
arrest and respiratory failure,
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and that is exactly
what happened in this case.
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We assembled a book that
contained our investigation,
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11 books,
and we sent these books
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to 11 specialists in a variety
of medical expertise.
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They were each asked
to render a medical opinion
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as to the level of care
provided by Dr. Murray.
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All of them indicated to us
that there was a major departure
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from the standard level of care,
and in this particular case,
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the Los Angeles County
District Attorney's office
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decided to charge Dr. Murray
with manslaughter.
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During opening statements,
we heard a voice
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that none of us
were expecting to hear.
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Welcome back to
"How It Really Happened."
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I'm Hill Harper.
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When September 2011 came,
it had been over 2 years
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since Michael Jackson
passed away.
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Conrad Murray had been
charged in his death,
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but so many
questions remained.
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Was Murray to blame?
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What happened behind the closed
doors of Jackson's mansion?
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With the trial came
never-before-heard stories
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and new audio from prosecutors
that shocked almost everyone.
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It's Day 1 in the trial
of Conrad Murray,
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the doctor who was charged
with involuntary manslaughter
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in the death of Michael Jackson.
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On September 27, 2011,
the trial started,
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People versus Conrad Murray.
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The big day has arrived.
Are you ready?
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Are you ready for
your opening statement, sir?
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I think we're ready.
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We're ready.
-Yeah?
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Karas: It was a mad house
outside the courthouse.
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Not like any courthouse I have
ever seen around the country,
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and I've seen a lot of them.
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And you're seeing this
wild scene here
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as all the fans
are protesting.
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Casarez: I remember the fans
of Michael Jackson
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during the course
of this long trial
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would line the hallway
in the courthouse.
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Many of them would
applaud and cheer
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when the prosecution
walked past
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and sort of give a stink eye
to the defense.
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Reporter: Jermaine!
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Casarez: The Jackson family was
in that trial every day.
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00:24:01,083 --> 00:24:02,223
So you'd have Katherine Jackson.
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You'd have LaToya Jackson.
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You'd have Janet Jackson.
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And I remember that they
would walk in,
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and sometimes the jury
would already be seated,
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and you would just see
this family
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that you've known through your
television screen for your life,
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and it had to have impacted
why we were all there.
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Kim: At trial, jurors got two
completely contradictory
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pictures of who
Dr. Conrad Murray was.
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On one hand his attorneys
brought in a string of patients
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who described him as a kind,
effective doctor
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who cared about his patients,
and on the other hand,
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prosecutors described him
as an opportunistic,
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money-grabbing doctor
who was eager to make a windfall
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out of his treatment
of Michael Jackson.
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Dr. Conrad Murray's
defense's theory
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was that Michael Jackson
had done something
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while Dr. Conrad Murray
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was out of the room
leading to his own death.
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The prosecution's theory
was that,
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in a laundry list of ways,
Dr. Conrad Murray
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was negligent as a physician,
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leading to
his patient's death.
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It was Dr. Murray's repeated
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incompetent and unskilled acts
that led
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to Mr. Jackson's death
on June 25, 2009.
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During opening statements,
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we heard a voice that none of us
were expecting to hear,
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which was Michael Jackson
himself.
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His words rang out from
a recording that Conrad Murray
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had made at his bedside.
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Trials have their highs
and lows,
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and many of them
have a bombshell moment.
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This was that moment
in Conrad Murray's trial.
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No one had previously
discussed this recording,
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disclosed the fact
that it existed.
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It was unbelievable to hear
how out of it he was.
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Karas: He's under the influence
of drugs.
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It was hard without,
you know,
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without some substantiation
to even believe
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it was Michael Jackson,
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yet Conrad Murray
had recorded him like this,
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and for what?
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And why would you record that?
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00:26:37,116 --> 00:26:39,076
I didn't even recognize
or realize
495
00:26:39,116 --> 00:26:42,066
that that recording
was actually on my phone.
496
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:46,230
And I think the big moment is
when they showed all the drugs.
497
00:26:46,266 --> 00:26:47,396
-Two milligrams...
-"you gave him
498
00:26:47,433 --> 00:26:49,473
this much of this, the Propofol,
499
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,450
this much anti-anxiety,
this much sleeping pills,"
500
00:26:53,483 --> 00:26:56,253
and they put them
all out on a table,
501
00:26:56,283 --> 00:26:59,453
and your jaw just dropped.
502
00:26:59,483 --> 00:27:06,323
How much medication and drugs
could one person take?
503
00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:09,070
Kim: Prosecutor David Walgren
tallied for jurors
504
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:11,370
just how much Propofol
Conrad Murray
505
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,100
had ordered to be
shipped to Los Angeles,
506
00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:16,103
and he pointed out
that it all added up
507
00:27:16,133 --> 00:27:18,353
to more than
4 gallons of Propofol.
508
00:27:18,383 --> 00:27:20,003
And I think one of
the shocking things
509
00:27:20,033 --> 00:27:23,003
was he initially made
the first order of Propofol,
510
00:27:23,033 --> 00:27:24,223
I mean, very close in time
511
00:27:24,250 --> 00:27:27,450
to when he was hired
by Michael Jackson.
512
00:27:27,483 --> 00:27:30,283
So all of a sudden, you see
that's the reason
513
00:27:30,316 --> 00:27:35,296
that Conrad Murray
was his personal physician.
514
00:27:35,333 --> 00:27:37,323
Franklin:
The biggest piece of evidence
that we had
515
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:39,250
was the audiotape
of Conrad Murray
516
00:27:39,283 --> 00:27:41,283
talking to
the police detectives.
517
00:27:41,316 --> 00:27:44,376
We went over that for hours
and hours and hours.
518
00:27:44,416 --> 00:27:46,476
That was our main piece
of evidence,
519
00:27:47,016 --> 00:27:49,426
and that's what we used
the most, his own words.
520
00:28:05,066 --> 00:28:06,466
Friday morning, we came back
to actually start
521
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,120
the deliberations.
522
00:28:08,150 --> 00:28:10,020
We still didn't know
where anybody stood
523
00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:12,330
so we decided that we would
finally take a vote
524
00:28:12,366 --> 00:28:14,076
towards the end of the day
on Friday
525
00:28:14,116 --> 00:28:16,076
and found out
that it was 11 to 1,
526
00:28:16,116 --> 00:28:17,326
and when we talked
to the juror again,
527
00:28:17,366 --> 00:28:20,016
he says, "I don't care
what you guys tell me.
528
00:28:20,050 --> 00:28:21,470
I am not changing my mind."
529
00:28:22,016 --> 00:28:24,996
He said, "I am not going to
vote guilty for Conrad Murray.
530
00:28:25,033 --> 00:28:27,373
I'm going to vote guilty
for Alberto Alvarez,
531
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,050
the security guard."
532
00:28:29,083 --> 00:28:30,233
We said, "The security guard?
533
00:28:30,266 --> 00:28:33,076
He's not on trial," and we said,
"Why would you vote --
534
00:28:33,116 --> 00:28:34,476
why would think
that he was involved?"
535
00:28:35,016 --> 00:28:36,996
He says, "I believe that
Alberto Alvarez
536
00:28:37,033 --> 00:28:38,283
has a secret insurance policy
537
00:28:38,316 --> 00:28:41,476
on Michael Jackson's life
of $500,000,
538
00:28:42,016 --> 00:28:43,216
and I think
he was in on this,
539
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:45,130
and I think he's responsible
for his death
540
00:28:45,166 --> 00:28:47,326
because he wanted to collect
the insurance policy."
541
00:28:47,366 --> 00:28:50,366
So once we told the juror
that he's not on trial,
542
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,450
and he said,
"Fine, I want to vote guilty
543
00:28:52,483 --> 00:28:54,473
on the personal chef,
Kai Chase."
544
00:28:57,316 --> 00:29:00,076
"Kai Chase?
What did she do?
545
00:29:00,116 --> 00:29:01,316
She's not on trial."
546
00:29:01,350 --> 00:29:03,470
We, again, talked him
out of that.
547
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,380
So we thought, "Well, you give
us your side of the story.
548
00:29:07,416 --> 00:29:10,376
You now convince us 11 guilties
549
00:29:10,416 --> 00:29:13,276
why we should switch
to not guilty," and he said,
550
00:29:13,316 --> 00:29:16,376
"Well, the only reason
I don't want to vote guilty
551
00:29:16,416 --> 00:29:19,046
is because I think
if we vote guilty,
552
00:29:19,083 --> 00:29:21,383
we're going to give Propofol
a bad name,"
553
00:29:21,416 --> 00:29:25,166
so we said, "Look,
you are breaking the law."
554
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,170
We told him that if,
"You are not following
555
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,130
what the jury instructions say,"
556
00:29:30,166 --> 00:29:34,996
and he says,
"Well, I don't break the law,"
557
00:29:35,033 --> 00:29:37,233
and then we knew
we kind of had him.
558
00:29:40,333 --> 00:29:42,023
When we went back
into that courtroom,
559
00:29:42,050 --> 00:29:44,130
my heart was pounding.
560
00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:46,026
Blitzer: And we're following
the breaking news this hour,
561
00:29:46,066 --> 00:29:48,066
a verdict to be announced
any minute now
562
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:52,200
in the involuntary manslaughter
trial of Dr. Conrad Murray.
563
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:00,480
Blitzer: And we're following
the breaking news this hour.
564
00:30:01,016 --> 00:30:03,016
A verdict to be announced
any minute now
565
00:30:03,050 --> 00:30:06,380
in the involuntary manslaughter
trial of Dr. Conrad Murray,
566
00:30:06,416 --> 00:30:09,166
Michael Jackson's
personal physician.
567
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,170
On November 7th, the jury
returned with a verdict.
568
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:17,030
When we heard that a verdict
had been reached,
569
00:30:17,066 --> 00:30:20,016
we all rushed to the courtroom.
570
00:30:20,050 --> 00:30:21,080
There was time, though,
571
00:30:21,116 --> 00:30:23,346
to assemble everyone
before it was read.
572
00:30:23,383 --> 00:30:26,023
The judge took the bench.
573
00:30:26,050 --> 00:30:27,270
The jurors came in.
574
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:30,350
And we all walked out there,
dead silence.
575
00:30:30,383 --> 00:30:32,123
I mean, you could have heard
a pin drop.
576
00:30:32,150 --> 00:30:35,150
Karas: I remember making a note
that none of the jurors
577
00:30:35,183 --> 00:30:37,283
looked over at Conrad Murray.
578
00:30:37,316 --> 00:30:41,996
That's often a sign of bad news
for a defendant.
579
00:30:42,033 --> 00:30:45,183
Franklin:
As they were handing the verdict
to the judge,
580
00:30:45,216 --> 00:30:47,396
and he looked at it
and handed it to the clerk...
581
00:30:50,333 --> 00:30:54,403
...and as she was reading it,
my heart was just pounding.
582
00:30:54,433 --> 00:30:57,483
Clerk: We, the jury in the above
entitled action,
583
00:30:58,016 --> 00:31:01,066
find the defendant,
Conrad Robert Murray,
584
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:04,480
guilty of the crime
of involuntary manslaughter.
585
00:31:05,016 --> 00:31:07,016
Somebody to my left screamed.
586
00:31:07,050 --> 00:31:08,270
I jumped a mile.
587
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:12,150
Karas: Michael Jackson's niece
did let out a yelp.
588
00:31:12,183 --> 00:31:15,273
We all heard it.
I mean, it's audible.
589
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:16,470
She couldn't help it.
590
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,400
As soon as she heard guilty
of involuntary manslaughter,
591
00:31:19,433 --> 00:31:21,353
it was what
she wanted to hear.
592
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,000
Guilty!
Guilty!
593
00:31:28,033 --> 00:31:29,153
Ha, ha, ha!
594
00:31:29,183 --> 00:31:32,273
Justice has been served!
595
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:35,420
[Cheering]
596
00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:36,470
Blitzer:
Dr. Conrad Murray
597
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,230
is going to be escorted
to jail right now
598
00:31:38,266 --> 00:31:42,366
until his formal sentencing
on Tuesday, November 29th.
599
00:31:47,316 --> 00:31:48,426
Wass:
On the day of the sentencing,
600
00:31:48,466 --> 00:31:51,126
the judge imposed
the maximum sentence.
601
00:31:51,166 --> 00:31:54,216
Man:
The honorable Michael E. Pastor
Judge presiding,
602
00:31:54,250 --> 00:31:56,150
please be seated.
603
00:31:56,183 --> 00:32:00,383
And he went off on this tangent
and made Dr. Murray
604
00:32:00,416 --> 00:32:03,216
look like the most
horrific person in the world.
605
00:32:03,250 --> 00:32:07,350
Dr. Murray created a set of
circumstances
606
00:32:07,383 --> 00:32:14,173
and became involved in a cycle
of horrible medicine.
607
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,230
The judge, Judge Pastor,
608
00:32:16,266 --> 00:32:20,196
then sentenced him the maximum
he could, 4 years in prison.
609
00:32:20,233 --> 00:32:22,023
After the sentencing,
when Dr. Murray
610
00:32:22,050 --> 00:32:23,380
was led off back to jail,
611
00:32:23,416 --> 00:32:27,276
he blew a kiss back to all of
his supporters, Brooke.
612
00:32:27,316 --> 00:32:30,216
Okay. Casey Wian for us
in Los Angeles.
613
00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:33,100
Michael's fans were infuriated
614
00:32:33,133 --> 00:32:37,023
because they believed
he murdered the King of Pop.
615
00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:38,430
Karas: There were many fans
who believed
616
00:32:38,466 --> 00:32:41,246
that this should have been
a second degree murder charge.
617
00:32:41,283 --> 00:32:44,353
That's punishable
by 15 years to life.
618
00:32:44,383 --> 00:32:48,203
Involuntary manslaughter,
ultimately the decision
619
00:32:48,233 --> 00:32:51,103
the District Attorney
Steve Cooley went with,
620
00:32:51,133 --> 00:32:52,383
easier to prove.
621
00:32:52,416 --> 00:32:57,176
I remember one day seeing
a small plane circling overhead
622
00:32:57,216 --> 00:32:59,376
and trailing
a banner behind it
623
00:32:59,416 --> 00:33:02,016
that was demanding
murder charges
624
00:33:02,050 --> 00:33:04,080
that was critical
of the Prosecution
625
00:33:04,116 --> 00:33:07,026
for bringing only
a manslaughter charge.
626
00:33:07,066 --> 00:33:13,096
In fact, I had fans tell me
that they were going to organize
627
00:33:13,133 --> 00:33:14,373
and defeat Steve Cooley's
628
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,480
run for Attorney
General of California.
629
00:33:17,016 --> 00:33:18,376
He did indeed run
for Attorney General,
630
00:33:18,416 --> 00:33:20,346
and he did indeed
get defeated.
631
00:33:20,383 --> 00:33:23,173
They credit themselves
with a bloc of votes
632
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,250
that supported his opponent.
633
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,150
Wass: I strongly believe that if
Michael Jackson
634
00:33:30,183 --> 00:33:33,173
hadn't have been the victim
that Dr. Murray
635
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,400
would not have been
charged with a felony.
636
00:33:36,433 --> 00:33:38,453
It would have been
a medical board proceeding.
637
00:33:38,483 --> 00:33:40,373
You know, he might have
lost his license
638
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,070
or been suspended
for a while,
639
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:44,470
but it never would have turned
into a felony conviction.
640
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,400
There was never any attempt
by Murray to --
641
00:33:46,433 --> 00:33:50,253
I mean, Michael Jackson
was his lifeline.
642
00:33:50,283 --> 00:33:54,203
Michael Jackson was a source
of income for Mr. Murray.
643
00:33:54,233 --> 00:33:55,453
They both needed each other.
644
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,420
Franklin:
The jurors felt that he --
645
00:33:57,450 --> 00:34:00,180
we did think
he was a good friend,
646
00:34:00,216 --> 00:34:04,146
and we even thought that
he's probably a good doctor.
647
00:34:04,183 --> 00:34:07,023
He just made
a very bad decision.
648
00:34:09,116 --> 00:34:11,426
Conrad Murray is now a free man
649
00:34:11,466 --> 00:34:13,426
after being released overnight
in Los Angeles.
650
00:34:13,466 --> 00:34:17,276
He served nearly 2 years
of a 4-year sentence
651
00:34:17,316 --> 00:34:19,196
for involuntary manslaughter.
652
00:34:19,233 --> 00:34:23,133
Wass: Dr. Murray was released
from prison in October 2013.
653
00:34:23,166 --> 00:34:26,226
A month after Dr. Murray was
released from jail,
654
00:34:26,266 --> 00:34:29,066
I spent Thanksgiving
with Dr. Murray
655
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:32,050
and his family and friends,
and Nicole,
656
00:34:32,083 --> 00:34:34,153
Dr. Murray's girlfriend,
wanted us to play Family Feud.
657
00:34:34,183 --> 00:34:38,173
It was a CD you put into
the DVD player, you know.
658
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,420
The second question
for our team
659
00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:44,300
was, "Name the top five reasons
a person can't fall asleep."
660
00:34:44,333 --> 00:34:47,183
It was like a movie script,
I swear. It was crazy.
661
00:34:47,216 --> 00:34:48,376
Man:
What was the number one answer?
662
00:34:48,416 --> 00:34:50,346
The number one answer
was insomnia,
663
00:34:50,383 --> 00:34:54,073
and nobody on our team
got that answer.
664
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:56,070
Lemon:
Do you take any responsibility
665
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:58,200
in Michael Jackson's demise,
in his death?
666
00:34:58,233 --> 00:35:04,203
You know, I am very remorseful
that Michael has passed away.
667
00:35:04,233 --> 00:35:05,353
Michael was a friend.
668
00:35:05,383 --> 00:35:09,233
I felt as though I was
protecting Michael all the time.
669
00:35:09,266 --> 00:35:11,116
I did.
670
00:35:11,150 --> 00:35:14,050
Morgan: What are your feelings
towards Dr. Conrad Murray?
671
00:35:14,083 --> 00:35:18,483
I can't even describe the way
I feel about him.
672
00:35:19,016 --> 00:35:21,466
He did a terrible thing,
673
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,470
and there might have
been others involved.
674
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,330
I don't know that,
but I feel that.
675
00:35:26,366 --> 00:35:29,026
Reporter: Michael's mother,
Katherine Jackson,
676
00:35:29,066 --> 00:35:32,116
has just filed
a lawsuit against AEG.
677
00:35:38,333 --> 00:35:40,153
Reporter:
And the mother of the late
pop star
678
00:35:40,183 --> 00:35:42,473
Michael Jackson has filed
a wrongful death lawsuit
679
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,480
against the company behind his
planned comeback tour in the UK.
680
00:35:47,016 --> 00:35:50,316
In the suit, Katherine Jackson
claims that AEG Live
681
00:35:50,350 --> 00:35:52,480
was responsible
for her son's health
682
00:35:53,016 --> 00:35:56,996
because it hired and directed
his doctor, Conrad Murray.
683
00:35:57,033 --> 00:36:00,123
Michael Jackson's family was
looking for someone to blame,
684
00:36:00,150 --> 00:36:02,170
and they were blaming AEG.
685
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,430
His family is seeking more than
a billion dollars in damages.
686
00:36:06,466 --> 00:36:09,166
Duke: Michael Jackson's mother,
Katherine Jackson,
687
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,350
hired a team of powerful lawyers
to go after AEG Live,
688
00:36:13,383 --> 00:36:16,383
to sue them for
Michael Jackson's death.
689
00:36:16,416 --> 00:36:18,226
♪ They don't even care
about us ♪
690
00:36:18,266 --> 00:36:20,416
Duke: Arguing that Michael
would be alive
691
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:23,230
if they had taken
better care of him,
692
00:36:23,266 --> 00:36:25,326
not pressured him to perform,
693
00:36:25,366 --> 00:36:32,346
not hired the doctor that went
to prison for his death.
694
00:36:32,383 --> 00:36:34,433
Of course AEG Live said,
"We didn't hire him.
695
00:36:34,466 --> 00:36:36,366
Michael brought him to us."
696
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,070
Man: And the sad truth here
is Mr. Jackson's death
697
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:41,070
was caused his choices,
698
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:43,370
and it would have happened
no matter what,
699
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,130
with or without AEG Live.
700
00:36:46,166 --> 00:36:48,176
Duke: In closing arguments,
Brian Panish,
701
00:36:48,216 --> 00:36:52,376
the lawyer for Katherine Jackson
actually acknowledged
702
00:36:52,416 --> 00:36:56,216
that Michael Jackson
contributed to his own death.
703
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,020
The jury ultimately decided
that Dr. Murray
704
00:37:17,050 --> 00:37:19,130
was not incompetent,
705
00:37:19,166 --> 00:37:22,476
so AEG couldn't be held liable
for hiring an incompetent doctor
706
00:37:23,016 --> 00:37:24,446
because they said
he was a medical doctor.
707
00:37:24,483 --> 00:37:26,473
It was really kind of
an odd verdict.
708
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,400
Concert promoter AEG Live found
709
00:37:29,433 --> 00:37:31,453
not liable
for Michael Jackson's death.
710
00:37:31,483 --> 00:37:35,373
A jury cleared AEG of wrongdoing
and awarded the Jackson family,
711
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,450
therefore, nothing.
-Good morning there, Chris.
712
00:37:37,483 --> 00:37:39,303
This was a shocker of a verdict,
713
00:37:39,333 --> 00:37:42,373
given how complex and how
long this trial went on.
714
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,480
Michael Jackson was pretty used
to getting his own way.
715
00:37:47,016 --> 00:37:50,076
Anybody who said, "No,"
well they were out of the mix,
716
00:37:50,116 --> 00:37:51,446
and he would find
somebody else.
717
00:37:51,483 --> 00:37:53,233
Everybody needed something.
718
00:37:53,266 --> 00:37:55,126
Conrad Murray needed
the cash.
719
00:37:55,166 --> 00:37:57,216
Michael Jackson needed
the drugs.
720
00:37:57,250 --> 00:38:00,470
AEG Live needed the show
to take place.
721
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,470
Ultimately none of that
happened, and nobody won.
722
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,280
Everybody lost.
723
00:38:06,316 --> 00:38:08,166
The names of Conrad Murray
and Michael Jackson
724
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,430
will always be
linked together.
725
00:38:09,466 --> 00:38:12,176
In fact, Michael Jackson
once foretold this
726
00:38:12,216 --> 00:38:14,066
by telling Conrad Murray that,
727
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:16,070
"You know, our names
will be linked forever,"
728
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,080
and when Conrad Murray
asked Michael Jackson,
729
00:38:18,116 --> 00:38:19,146
"How do you know that,"
730
00:38:19,183 --> 00:38:21,023
Jackson said,
"I'm a clairvoyant."
731
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:26,130
♪♪
732
00:38:26,166 --> 00:38:28,316
It seems that the story is over.
733
00:38:28,350 --> 00:38:29,420
It's a tragedy.
734
00:38:29,450 --> 00:38:32,330
We lost Michael Jackson.
735
00:38:32,366 --> 00:38:36,176
Karas: The world lost someone
they'll never get back.
736
00:38:36,216 --> 00:38:39,226
This is a very sad tale.
It's a very --
737
00:38:39,266 --> 00:38:41,126
Shakespeare couldn't have
written this story
738
00:38:41,166 --> 00:38:45,446
any more dramatically
or tragically.
739
00:38:45,483 --> 00:38:49,133
Geragos:
I think his legacy is what
it should be,
740
00:38:49,166 --> 00:38:50,346
one of the greatest
performers,
741
00:38:50,383 --> 00:38:55,283
songwriters, and human beings
of all time.
742
00:38:55,316 --> 00:38:58,276
You know, Michael Jackson's
real legacy is his music,
743
00:38:58,316 --> 00:38:59,996
is his art,
744
00:39:00,033 --> 00:39:03,273
and with Michael Jackson
the person out of the picture,
745
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:06,270
I think future generations
can focus once again
746
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:08,150
on what made
Michael Jackson great.
747
00:39:08,183 --> 00:39:09,453
That's his music.
748
00:39:09,483 --> 00:39:14,333
Reporter:
How does it feel when you go in
to do a concert somewhere
749
00:39:14,366 --> 00:39:17,216
and literally there are tens
of thousands of people
750
00:39:17,250 --> 00:39:20,220
that are rushing over to you
just to get a glimpse?
751
00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:22,050
It's a wonderful feeling,
752
00:39:22,083 --> 00:39:26,323
especially when you see them
smiling, and I love the fans.
753
00:39:26,350 --> 00:39:31,050
I think it's very sweet.
754
00:39:31,083 --> 00:39:34,133
I feel thankful is how I feel.
I really do.
755
00:39:34,166 --> 00:39:36,226
I don't take any of it
for granted.
756
00:39:41,016 --> 00:39:43,426
For me and millions of others,
757
00:39:43,466 --> 00:39:47,476
Michael's genius and legacy
live on.
758
00:39:48,016 --> 00:39:49,116
As for Dr. Murray,
759
00:39:49,150 --> 00:39:51,100
his medical license
was suspended in California,
760
00:39:51,133 --> 00:39:53,273
Nevada, and revoked in Texas.
761
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:55,000
He turned down our interview
requests
762
00:39:55,033 --> 00:39:58,073
but self-published a book
of his version of events.
763
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:01,100
He still maintains
he did nothing wrong.
764
00:40:01,133 --> 00:40:03,323
We all miss you, Michael.
765
00:40:03,350 --> 00:40:05,050
Thanks for watching.
766
00:40:05,083 --> 00:40:06,053
Good night.
767
00:40:06,083 --> 00:40:09,353
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