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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,070 ♪♪ 2 00:00:07,100 --> 00:00:08,400 Reporter: Do you feel as though you missed out on something 3 00:00:08,433 --> 00:00:11,283 by not remembering, not performing? 4 00:00:11,316 --> 00:00:13,996 Of course, but I've gained a lot, too. 5 00:00:14,033 --> 00:00:17,073 A lot of people never get out of their own hometown 6 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:19,000 and get to see other wonderful places. 7 00:00:19,033 --> 00:00:22,173 A lot of kids read about things that I get to see in person 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,370 all over the world in different places. 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,220 I am so happy about that. 10 00:00:26,250 --> 00:00:28,450 I mean, you never can have everything. 11 00:00:28,483 --> 00:00:34,203 ♪♪ 12 00:00:34,233 --> 00:00:39,453 ♪♪ 13 00:00:39,483 --> 00:00:40,453 Hey, everyone. 14 00:00:40,483 --> 00:00:42,133 Welcome to "How It Really Happened." 15 00:00:42,166 --> 00:00:43,466 I'm Hill Harper. 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,330 June 25, 2009. 17 00:00:46,366 --> 00:00:49,316 Paramedics rushed to answer a call at 100 Carolwood 18 00:00:49,350 --> 00:00:51,050 in Los Angeles. 19 00:00:51,083 --> 00:00:52,273 They were told they would find 20 00:00:52,300 --> 00:00:54,450 a 50-year-old male not breathing. 21 00:00:54,483 --> 00:00:58,183 They found Michael Jackson unconscious on a bed 22 00:00:58,216 --> 00:01:00,376 in a rented mansion and in such a state 23 00:01:00,416 --> 00:01:02,196 that the lead paramedic firefighter 24 00:01:02,233 --> 00:01:04,353 said he didn't even recognize him. 25 00:01:04,383 --> 00:01:07,033 Tonight, Part 2 of our examination of the death 26 00:01:07,066 --> 00:01:08,276 of Michael Jackson. 27 00:01:08,316 --> 00:01:10,016 What really happened? 28 00:01:10,050 --> 00:01:11,350 Did he kill himself? 29 00:01:11,383 --> 00:01:13,383 Was it an overdose? 30 00:01:13,416 --> 00:01:15,176 Or was he murdered? 31 00:01:15,216 --> 00:01:24,246 ♪♪ 32 00:01:24,283 --> 00:01:27,123 Senneff: In all my years as a paramedic, 33 00:01:27,150 --> 00:01:30,130 I had never seen that level of chaos 34 00:01:30,166 --> 00:01:32,446 at any incident I've ever been at. 35 00:01:32,483 --> 00:01:37,473 Evenstad: I could see kind of through the hinge area of the fence 36 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,050 that there was a gurney being wheeled out to the ambulance, 37 00:01:41,083 --> 00:01:44,083 and I could tell that it was Michael on the gurney. 38 00:01:44,116 --> 00:01:46,996 So at that point, I told my photographers, 39 00:01:47,033 --> 00:01:49,233 "We really need to try to get this picture 40 00:01:49,266 --> 00:01:51,276 when the ambulance pulls out." 41 00:01:51,316 --> 00:01:53,246 Senneff: Once the patient and the equipment was loaded 42 00:01:53,283 --> 00:01:55,303 in the ambulance, myself and Dr. Murray 43 00:01:55,333 --> 00:01:57,323 got into the ambulance 44 00:01:57,350 --> 00:02:01,120 and then started backing out of the driveway. 45 00:02:01,150 --> 00:02:03,420 At that point, that's when I knew 46 00:02:03,450 --> 00:02:06,150 that this was not an ordinary call. 47 00:02:06,183 --> 00:02:08,173 Evenstad: His staff during that time looked like 48 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,450 I've never seen them before in any situation. 49 00:02:11,483 --> 00:02:16,023 They looked very afraid and frightened, 50 00:02:16,050 --> 00:02:18,020 and this was a security team 51 00:02:18,050 --> 00:02:20,480 that was always in charge and had a plan. 52 00:02:21,016 --> 00:02:22,446 When we arrived at the hospital, 53 00:02:22,483 --> 00:02:25,003 there were already some people there, 54 00:02:25,033 --> 00:02:28,203 and these private security that Mr. Jackson had 55 00:02:28,233 --> 00:02:30,103 immediately formed a corridor 56 00:02:30,133 --> 00:02:33,183 so that we could get the patient into the hospital. 57 00:02:33,216 --> 00:02:35,366 We unloaded the patient, went through the doors 58 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,320 where the emergency room staff was waiting for us. 59 00:02:40,316 --> 00:02:43,126 Announcer: This is CNN breaking news. 60 00:02:43,166 --> 00:02:46,026 Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, 61 00:02:46,066 --> 00:02:48,076 we're told by our affiliates in Los Angeles, 62 00:02:48,116 --> 00:02:50,476 has been rushed to a local hospital. 63 00:02:54,016 --> 00:02:55,296 I love you very much. 64 00:02:55,333 --> 00:02:58,203 Cooper: What a long, strange trip it has been for Michael Jackson 65 00:02:58,233 --> 00:03:02,183 from child star to creator of the best-selling album ever... 66 00:03:02,216 --> 00:03:06,046 Hopefully, you know, that's what I do with my music 67 00:03:06,083 --> 00:03:09,003 is bring happiness to people 68 00:03:09,033 --> 00:03:13,203 and to bring joy and some peace in their lives. 69 00:03:13,233 --> 00:03:16,033 ...to reclusive billionaire and criminal defendant, 70 00:03:16,066 --> 00:03:17,166 but famous or infamous, 71 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,470 one of the best-known people on the planet ever. 72 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,330 Alan Duke of CNN is over at the UCLA Medical Center. 73 00:03:23,366 --> 00:03:25,316 Duke: They're not saying anything here at the hospital. 74 00:03:25,350 --> 00:03:28,220 In fact, many of the hospital employees don't know 75 00:03:28,250 --> 00:03:31,080 or at least didn't know what was going on. 76 00:03:31,116 --> 00:03:34,046 We didn't know about Dr. Murray at that point. 77 00:03:34,083 --> 00:03:37,223 We didn't know that Michael had a personal physician who had, 78 00:03:37,250 --> 00:03:41,170 every night, been giving him this Propofol infusion 79 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,070 to treat his insomnia. 80 00:03:43,100 --> 00:03:45,020 Who would have imagined that? 81 00:03:45,050 --> 00:03:47,130 Cooper: Tonight, what we know about how he died, 82 00:03:47,166 --> 00:03:50,176 how he is being remembered, and how he lived. 83 00:03:55,050 --> 00:03:58,420 When we arrived at the hospital and proceeded inside, 84 00:03:58,450 --> 00:04:00,480 we went into one of the treatment rooms 85 00:04:01,016 --> 00:04:04,176 where there was a large gathering of technicians, 86 00:04:04,216 --> 00:04:07,346 nurses, the doctor who's in charge, 87 00:04:07,383 --> 00:04:12,233 and the doctor in charge spoke with Dr. Murray. 88 00:04:12,266 --> 00:04:15,016 Duke: Dr. Murray didn't want the paramedics 89 00:04:15,050 --> 00:04:16,250 to give up at the house. 90 00:04:16,283 --> 00:04:19,283 He resisted when they wanted to basically call it. 91 00:04:19,316 --> 00:04:21,266 When he got to the emergency room, 92 00:04:21,300 --> 00:04:24,150 he also was insistent that, "We got to keep trying. 93 00:04:24,183 --> 00:04:27,423 We got to keep trying," but what we found out 94 00:04:27,450 --> 00:04:30,400 was that the other doctor that was in charge there said 95 00:04:30,433 --> 00:04:33,473 that she didn't see any signs of life, 96 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,380 but there was this doctor who knew Michael Jackson 97 00:04:36,416 --> 00:04:38,396 who was saying, "No, I felt a pulse. 98 00:04:38,433 --> 00:04:40,353 There's signs of life here. Let's keep trying." 99 00:04:40,383 --> 00:04:45,003 So they kept up some pretty desperate efforts 100 00:04:45,033 --> 00:04:48,183 to get Michael's heart beating again, 101 00:04:48,216 --> 00:04:53,166 to get him breathing again, and of course, there was no hope. 102 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,330 What's clear is that he wasn't honest with medical staff 103 00:04:56,366 --> 00:04:58,366 there about the drugs Jackson was taking, 104 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,450 about the ailments he was suffering from, 105 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,380 and about the treatment he had given him. 106 00:05:02,416 --> 00:05:05,326 He did not tell them about the Propofol, 107 00:05:05,366 --> 00:05:07,266 which is the most important thing 108 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:09,370 that he should have mentioned at the time. 109 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,250 Finally, the doctor who was in charge of the emergency room 110 00:05:12,283 --> 00:05:16,183 at UCLA Medical Center said, "We're not trying anything. 111 00:05:16,216 --> 00:05:19,266 We've tried everything. There's nothing left to try. 112 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:23,180 Let's call this," and so they stopped. 113 00:05:27,166 --> 00:05:29,466 Lemon: Michael Jackson is declared dead at the hospital. 114 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,100 The family is in a room waiting. 115 00:05:34,133 --> 00:05:36,223 Conrad Murray, his physician 116 00:05:36,250 --> 00:05:37,320 who is supposed to be in charge of him, 117 00:05:37,350 --> 00:05:41,330 goes into the room with the family and... 118 00:06:13,166 --> 00:06:16,096 Jermaine: Michael Jackson passed away 119 00:06:16,133 --> 00:06:20,473 on Thursday, June 25, 2009, at 2:26 PM. 120 00:06:36,333 --> 00:06:42,023 It is believed he suffered cardiac arrest in his home. 121 00:06:42,050 --> 00:06:44,320 However, the cause of his death 122 00:06:44,350 --> 00:06:48,450 is unknown until results of the autopsy are known. 123 00:06:48,483 --> 00:06:51,273 Something that's interesting, 124 00:06:51,300 --> 00:06:55,320 it was Conrad Murray that told doctors at UCLA 125 00:06:55,350 --> 00:06:58,220 that there should be an autopsy of Michael Jackson. 126 00:06:58,250 --> 00:07:00,400 He requested it. 127 00:07:00,433 --> 00:07:03,203 Dr. Murray began asking the security detail right away 128 00:07:03,233 --> 00:07:05,473 for rides back to the Carolwood residence. 129 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,050 He wanted to avoid the world discovering that Michael Jackson 130 00:07:10,083 --> 00:07:12,123 had some cream back at the house. 131 00:07:12,150 --> 00:07:15,320 That's what he told the security detail his reasonings 132 00:07:15,350 --> 00:07:20,080 were for wanting to return to the Carolwood residence. 133 00:07:20,116 --> 00:07:23,046 The security detail wasn't really -- 134 00:07:23,083 --> 00:07:25,053 didn't think that was a real good idea 135 00:07:25,083 --> 00:07:27,023 and collectively decided that 136 00:07:27,050 --> 00:07:29,250 "We're just going to tell Dr. Murray that the law enforcement, 137 00:07:29,283 --> 00:07:33,103 the police department have taken our keys and no one can leave." 138 00:07:33,133 --> 00:07:35,373 Shortly after that, Dr. Murray 139 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,300 spoke with detectives from West L.A. 140 00:07:39,333 --> 00:07:42,433 and did inform him that he was treating Michael Jackson 141 00:07:42,466 --> 00:07:44,276 for dehydration and exhaustion. 142 00:07:44,316 --> 00:07:47,176 He never mentioned any types of medication 143 00:07:47,216 --> 00:07:49,396 that he had given Mr. Jackson, 144 00:07:49,433 --> 00:07:52,353 and those detectives actually spoke 145 00:07:52,383 --> 00:07:54,273 and told Dr. Murray to stick around. 146 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:55,400 "Don't go anywhere. 147 00:07:55,433 --> 00:07:57,233 The detectives from robbery/homicide are coming. 148 00:07:57,266 --> 00:07:59,046 They'd want to talk to you." 149 00:07:59,083 --> 00:08:01,053 Shortly after detectives Smith and Martinez 150 00:08:01,083 --> 00:08:02,233 arrived at the hospital, 151 00:08:02,266 --> 00:08:03,446 they began calling Dr. Murray 152 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:05,223 on the phone that he had provided 153 00:08:05,250 --> 00:08:08,100 to the West L.A. detectives. 154 00:08:08,133 --> 00:08:12,033 All their calls were met with voice mails, 155 00:08:12,066 --> 00:08:14,316 and eventually, it just turned off. 156 00:08:14,350 --> 00:08:16,450 They actually went and looked at surveillance, 157 00:08:16,483 --> 00:08:21,073 and he was seen leaving through a side door of the hospital. 158 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:23,220 We realized, "Okay, there is something going on here 159 00:08:23,250 --> 00:08:24,350 that we need to look into." 160 00:08:26,333 --> 00:08:29,053 King: We're told that that helicopter carrying Michael Jackson's body 161 00:08:29,083 --> 00:08:33,383 has left UCLA Medical Center, heading to the coroner's office. 162 00:08:33,416 --> 00:08:35,196 Myers: After Michael's death, 163 00:08:35,233 --> 00:08:39,053 his body was taken to the Los Angeles County morgue. 164 00:08:39,083 --> 00:08:40,173 Halperin: The world was eager to know 165 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,420 what really happened to the King of Pop. 166 00:08:42,450 --> 00:08:46,130 Many people thought that if you read online 167 00:08:46,166 --> 00:08:47,246 that Michael was murdered. 168 00:08:47,283 --> 00:08:50,183 Many people thought that he committed suicide. 169 00:08:50,216 --> 00:08:55,476 Many people thought maybe one of his handlers just did him in 170 00:08:56,016 --> 00:08:58,076 because the fact of the matter is, 171 00:08:58,116 --> 00:08:59,196 Michael was deeply in debt 172 00:08:59,233 --> 00:09:04,233 when he died to the tune of $470 odd million, 173 00:09:04,266 --> 00:09:07,996 and it turns out, unfortunately, 174 00:09:08,033 --> 00:09:10,403 Michael was worth much more dead than alive. 175 00:09:10,433 --> 00:09:11,483 Morgan: You have been quoted as saying 176 00:09:12,016 --> 00:09:13,266 you believe it may have been murder. 177 00:09:13,300 --> 00:09:15,330 Do you still think that? -Absolutely. 178 00:09:20,300 --> 00:09:23,070 Reporter: We begin with the latest on the memorial for Michael Jackson. 179 00:09:23,100 --> 00:09:25,370 There are estimates that this morning, hundreds of millions 180 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,250 will be planning to watch 181 00:09:27,283 --> 00:09:29,353 Michael Jackson's memorial service on TV 182 00:09:29,383 --> 00:09:31,233 and online tomorrow. 183 00:09:34,166 --> 00:09:37,076 Dimond: When Michael Jackson died, 184 00:09:37,116 --> 00:09:41,296 the family set out to make a funeral for him, 185 00:09:41,333 --> 00:09:47,033 and very good sources of mine told me they contacted the LAPD 186 00:09:47,066 --> 00:09:50,316 and wanted all the streets in downtown L.A. 187 00:09:50,350 --> 00:09:54,000 closed off for Michael Jackson's cortege 188 00:09:54,033 --> 00:09:58,053 so they could have, you know, a proper mourning period. 189 00:09:58,083 --> 00:09:59,373 Duke: The world was in mourning, 190 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:04,000 and we needed some kind of a service, a focus, 191 00:10:04,033 --> 00:10:05,223 but it was going to take weeks 192 00:10:05,250 --> 00:10:07,220 before the family would ever sort out 193 00:10:07,250 --> 00:10:10,330 where Michael would be interred, who would pay for it, 194 00:10:10,366 --> 00:10:14,326 how that would come about, and so AEG Live 195 00:10:14,366 --> 00:10:17,476 and some of the others, music companies and others, 196 00:10:18,016 --> 00:10:20,416 and friends of Michael Jackson came together and organized 197 00:10:20,450 --> 00:10:22,470 a memorial service for the public. 198 00:10:25,450 --> 00:10:29,280 Richards: The ceremony itself cost $1 million. 199 00:10:29,316 --> 00:10:34,046 Duke: This was July 7th at the Staples Center, and it was incredible. 200 00:10:34,083 --> 00:10:36,323 Halperin: When everybody congregated on stage, all the artists, 201 00:10:36,350 --> 00:10:41,170 to sing "We Are the World," it really was a moving moment. 202 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,350 People felt goose bumps. 203 00:10:43,383 --> 00:10:46,353 I was there, and I felt goose bumps. 204 00:10:46,383 --> 00:10:48,133 ♪ We are the world ♪ 205 00:10:48,166 --> 00:10:51,026 ♪ We are the children We are the children ♪ 206 00:10:51,066 --> 00:10:53,076 ♪ We are the ones who make a brighter day ♪ 207 00:10:53,116 --> 00:10:55,276 Duke: At this memorial, they brought the children on stage, 208 00:10:55,316 --> 00:10:58,316 and Paris gave one of the most moving speeches 209 00:10:58,350 --> 00:11:00,300 I have ever heard. 210 00:11:00,333 --> 00:11:02,283 Ever since I was born... 211 00:11:04,433 --> 00:11:09,133 Daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. 212 00:11:12,466 --> 00:11:16,166 After years of Michael Jackson covering his children's faces 213 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,270 with masks or scarves when they went out in public, 214 00:11:19,300 --> 00:11:24,230 there they were at his memorial with no coverings, 215 00:11:24,266 --> 00:11:28,016 and it was sort of a jarring moment. 216 00:11:28,050 --> 00:11:31,430 Duke: And we saw Blanket holding a doll, 217 00:11:31,466 --> 00:11:34,326 a Michael Jackson doll in his hand 218 00:11:34,366 --> 00:11:37,076 as his father's coffin was right in front of him. 219 00:11:37,116 --> 00:11:41,366 It was the most touching thing you can imagine. 220 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,370 Dimond: Naturally no one felt worse about the death 221 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,320 of Michael Jackson than his family. 222 00:11:45,350 --> 00:11:48,380 I mean, this was a family that had raised him, 223 00:11:48,416 --> 00:11:51,366 gotten famous with him, been through hard times with him, 224 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:56,170 and now he's dead, but it was a bizarre set of circumstances. 225 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:01,180 It was kind of strange to see family members 226 00:12:01,216 --> 00:12:04,026 who by all accounts were estranged, 227 00:12:04,066 --> 00:12:08,176 in the end having to come together at that funeral 228 00:12:08,216 --> 00:12:11,066 and talk about their brother with the children, 229 00:12:11,100 --> 00:12:13,300 and also, they ended up having to fight 230 00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:15,333 for justice for their brother 231 00:12:15,366 --> 00:12:19,376 and for the truth to come out about exactly what happened. 232 00:12:19,416 --> 00:12:23,426 Lemon: For years there were rumors initially about 233 00:12:23,466 --> 00:12:25,326 how Joe Jackson treated his children, 234 00:12:25,366 --> 00:12:27,116 especially Michael Jackson. 235 00:12:27,150 --> 00:12:29,330 That is probably the last person Michael Jackson 236 00:12:29,366 --> 00:12:33,276 wanted as his spokesperson was his father, Joe Jackson. 237 00:12:35,316 --> 00:12:37,016 It just so happens a couple days 238 00:12:37,050 --> 00:12:40,020 after Michael Jackson died the B.E.T. Awards were happening. 239 00:12:40,050 --> 00:12:43,350 And so we set ourselves up on the red carpet, 240 00:12:43,383 --> 00:12:46,433 and then all of a sudden, Joe Jackson walks up, 241 00:12:46,466 --> 00:12:48,246 and so he walks up, and I say... 242 00:12:48,283 --> 00:12:49,333 How you doing, sir? 243 00:12:49,366 --> 00:12:51,166 How is the family holding up? -I'm great. 244 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,070 My family is doing pretty good. 245 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:55,280 -Yeah? -Yes, they are. 246 00:12:55,316 --> 00:12:56,476 You want to tell -- the last couple days, 247 00:12:57,016 --> 00:12:59,476 I know it's been tough for you guys. 248 00:13:00,016 --> 00:13:01,466 And... 249 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,420 And it was a slight pause 250 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:06,280 when I go back and look at the tape, 251 00:13:06,316 --> 00:13:09,066 but in that moment it seemed like forever. 252 00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:10,080 We're working on that. 253 00:13:10,116 --> 00:13:11,166 Lemon: And in the middle of the interview, 254 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:12,230 I'm trying to get this heartfelt interview 255 00:13:12,266 --> 00:13:14,216 about Michael Jackson and the family. 256 00:13:14,250 --> 00:13:16,030 What about Janet and the rest of the family, 257 00:13:16,066 --> 00:13:18,046 the daughters and... -They're all doing fine, 258 00:13:18,083 --> 00:13:19,323 but I want to make this statement. 259 00:13:19,350 --> 00:13:21,300 This is a real good statement here. 260 00:13:21,333 --> 00:13:23,433 Marshall and I have -- 261 00:13:23,466 --> 00:13:26,396 we owned a record company called -- tell him. 262 00:13:26,433 --> 00:13:31,183 Ranch Records, okay, distributed by Blu-Ray Technology, 263 00:13:31,216 --> 00:13:32,346 and that's his next step. 264 00:13:34,366 --> 00:13:41,326 And I was flabbergasted. 265 00:13:41,366 --> 00:13:44,046 He's hawking his DVD on Blu-Ray, 266 00:13:44,083 --> 00:13:48,333 and I'm like, "Okay, your son just died a couple days ago." 267 00:13:48,366 --> 00:13:50,296 It was the oddest experience 268 00:13:50,333 --> 00:13:53,473 that I'd have ever had on live television. 269 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,370 It was a continuation of a bizarre family dynamic 270 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:04,130 between the superstar son and all the hanger-ons. 271 00:14:04,166 --> 00:14:06,466 Morgan: How do you think he died? 272 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,320 You've been quoted as saying you believe it may have been murder. 273 00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:11,300 Do you still think that? -Absolutely. 274 00:14:11,333 --> 00:14:12,303 -Why are you so sure? -Absolutely. 275 00:14:12,333 --> 00:14:14,203 I would never ever think differently. 276 00:14:14,233 --> 00:14:15,383 Because, first of all, Michael told me 277 00:14:15,416 --> 00:14:17,096 that they were going to murder him. 278 00:14:17,133 --> 00:14:18,233 He was afraid. -Who? 279 00:14:18,266 --> 00:14:19,346 Who was going to... -He was afraid for his life. 280 00:14:19,383 --> 00:14:21,133 The people that were involved in his life, 281 00:14:21,166 --> 00:14:24,066 the people that were controlling him. 282 00:14:24,100 --> 00:14:26,480 Without a doubt, Michael Jackson is worth more dead than alive. 283 00:14:27,016 --> 00:14:29,026 This has been proved with the escalation 284 00:14:29,066 --> 00:14:31,996 in the profits that his estate have made since his death. 285 00:14:32,033 --> 00:14:35,383 In fact, he's made more in the years since he died 286 00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:37,216 than the combined earnings 287 00:14:37,250 --> 00:14:40,270 of Jay-Z, Kanye West, and Taylor Swift. 288 00:14:40,300 --> 00:14:41,450 Given those figures, it's natural 289 00:14:41,483 --> 00:14:44,203 to assume conspiracy theories. 290 00:14:44,233 --> 00:14:48,073 People might suspect that AEG Live had a lot to gain 291 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:49,330 from Michael Jackson dying. 292 00:14:49,366 --> 00:14:51,316 LaToya: They knew he wouldn't be healthy enough, 293 00:14:51,350 --> 00:14:54,320 yet they put their own doctor in who said, 294 00:14:54,350 --> 00:14:57,100 "Michael, he passed with flying colors. 295 00:14:57,133 --> 00:14:58,453 He's in perfect health." 296 00:14:58,483 --> 00:15:00,433 Michael was not in perfect health. 297 00:15:00,466 --> 00:15:04,216 He was very, very fragile, very thin, and the coroners, 298 00:15:04,250 --> 00:15:06,230 I will tell you, this was not an O.D. 299 00:15:06,266 --> 00:15:10,276 The coroners told me immediately that the only drug 300 00:15:10,316 --> 00:15:11,466 that was in Michael's body 301 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:16,300 was the drug that was administered to him that night, 302 00:15:16,333 --> 00:15:18,073 and that was it. 303 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:19,220 He was totally clean. 304 00:15:19,250 --> 00:15:21,220 Do you think we will ever find out the truth? 305 00:15:21,250 --> 00:15:23,070 I'm going to make sure we do. 306 00:15:28,466 --> 00:15:31,146 Blitzer: Kara Finnstrom is out there at the home. 307 00:15:31,183 --> 00:15:33,223 We're seeing motorcycles and activity 308 00:15:33,250 --> 00:15:35,230 outside the Michael Jackson home. 309 00:15:35,266 --> 00:15:37,426 Kara, tell our viewers what we're seeing. 310 00:15:37,466 --> 00:15:41,076 We have just watched as a group of police officers pull up, 311 00:15:41,116 --> 00:15:44,996 and I think they are actually securing off the area. 312 00:15:45,033 --> 00:15:47,433 At that time, detectives from robbery/homicide responded 313 00:15:47,466 --> 00:15:51,196 to the Carolwood address along with the Department of Coroner 314 00:15:51,233 --> 00:15:53,083 and their field investigators. 315 00:15:53,116 --> 00:15:56,146 We are just looking for any evidence of foul play 316 00:15:56,183 --> 00:15:57,353 or anything like that. 317 00:15:57,383 --> 00:15:59,353 They were directed upstairs, 318 00:15:59,383 --> 00:16:02,373 and they noticed an IV on an IV stand, 319 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,220 some medicine on a nightstand near the bed 320 00:16:06,250 --> 00:16:11,170 and one bottle of Propofol that was underneath the nightstand. 321 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,220 That was the first time in this investigation 322 00:16:14,250 --> 00:16:18,080 where Propofol had been observed. 323 00:16:18,116 --> 00:16:21,116 So our biggest goal was to talk to Dr. Murray. 324 00:16:22,350 --> 00:16:23,430 Richards: He was lying low. 325 00:16:23,466 --> 00:16:26,316 Perhaps that was on the advice of his attorneys. 326 00:16:26,350 --> 00:16:30,170 The LAPD called him, texted him, no response. 327 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,000 It was only a couple of days later, 2 or 3 days later, 328 00:16:33,033 --> 00:16:34,403 when, on the advice of his attorney, 329 00:16:34,433 --> 00:16:37,173 Conrad Murray made contact with the LAPD, 330 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,250 and an interview was arranged. 331 00:16:55,150 --> 00:16:58,080 And he talked, and he gave them information. 332 00:17:20,416 --> 00:17:25,246 Wass: After the rehearsal on the 24th, when Michael Jackson got home, 333 00:17:25,283 --> 00:17:28,203 Dr. Murray was there waiting for him. 334 00:17:28,233 --> 00:17:31,203 Dr. Murray set up the saline IV 335 00:17:31,233 --> 00:17:35,433 and tried to get Jackson to go to sleep. 336 00:17:35,466 --> 00:17:39,346 He administered some sedatives, Lorazepam and Midazolam, 337 00:17:39,383 --> 00:17:41,353 and Jackson would only go to sleep for minutes 338 00:17:41,383 --> 00:17:44,283 and then wake up, and Jackson was very frustrated 339 00:17:44,316 --> 00:17:46,126 that he couldn't go to sleep. 340 00:18:16,083 --> 00:18:17,483 Well, that was the very first time 341 00:18:18,016 --> 00:18:21,066 that Dr. Murray used the word "Propofol." 342 00:18:24,283 --> 00:18:28,203 Karas: Conrad Murray says that at about 10:40 in the morning, 343 00:18:28,233 --> 00:18:31,203 he pushed a very small amount of Propofol 344 00:18:31,233 --> 00:18:34,083 intravenously into Michael Jackson 345 00:18:34,116 --> 00:18:39,246 and that he watched him sort of fall asleep or go under, 346 00:18:39,283 --> 00:18:42,133 that he left the room for just a couple of minutes 347 00:18:42,166 --> 00:18:44,446 and came back, and Michael wasn't breathing 348 00:18:44,483 --> 00:18:48,183 and that he immediately started resuscitative efforts. 349 00:18:48,216 --> 00:18:50,476 But the phone records, if you look at them, 350 00:18:51,016 --> 00:18:53,096 point to a different story altogether. 351 00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:57,003 In fact, Murray was on the phone for a lot of this time. 352 00:18:57,033 --> 00:19:02,053 Karas: He was making phone calls between approximately 11:15, 353 00:19:02,083 --> 00:19:05,273 11:17 AM for 45 more minutes, 354 00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:07,330 including to a girlfriend in Houston, 355 00:19:07,366 --> 00:19:12,146 Sade Anding, the last person he called at 11:51. 356 00:19:12,183 --> 00:19:14,253 She remembers Conrad Murray going silent. 357 00:19:14,283 --> 00:19:16,283 Perhaps dropping the phone or putting into his pocket 358 00:19:16,316 --> 00:19:19,446 and hearing a kerfuffle going on in the room. 359 00:19:19,483 --> 00:19:21,023 She didn't know what was going on. 360 00:19:21,050 --> 00:19:23,430 She had no idea and hung up, called him back. 361 00:19:23,466 --> 00:19:25,116 Just got his answerphone. 362 00:19:25,150 --> 00:19:28,430 There is an hour's difference there in his testimony. 363 00:19:28,466 --> 00:19:31,376 When did Michael Jackson receive Propofol? 364 00:19:31,416 --> 00:19:33,316 What was Conrad Murray specifically saying? 365 00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:35,080 When did he come back in the room? 366 00:19:35,116 --> 00:19:36,296 Who's telling the truth? 367 00:19:36,333 --> 00:19:39,073 Another big revelation from the police interview, 368 00:19:39,100 --> 00:19:42,400 what happened to Dr. Murray's medical bags on the morning 369 00:19:42,433 --> 00:19:44,373 Michael Jackson died? 370 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,020 Murray was seen by Alberto Alvarez security 371 00:19:48,050 --> 00:19:50,450 and also a paramedic, taking medicines 372 00:19:50,483 --> 00:19:55,453 and medical paraphernalia and putting them into bags. 373 00:19:55,483 --> 00:19:59,123 Well, he put that bag in another room, 374 00:19:59,150 --> 00:20:01,350 and investigators never searched the other room, 375 00:20:01,383 --> 00:20:03,323 so they never found that bag. 376 00:20:24,300 --> 00:20:27,450 Now, I believe that Dr. Murray fully believed 377 00:20:27,483 --> 00:20:29,403 that the Los Angeles Police Department 378 00:20:29,433 --> 00:20:32,203 had possession of his medical bag. 379 00:20:32,233 --> 00:20:37,203 I think it was for that reason Dr. Murray agreed to talk to us. 380 00:20:37,233 --> 00:20:39,203 He agreed to this interview with his lawyer 381 00:20:39,233 --> 00:20:41,003 to get out in front of the Propofol 382 00:20:41,033 --> 00:20:43,453 and explain why he was giving Propofol. 383 00:20:48,183 --> 00:20:49,423 So on Monday, June 29th, 384 00:20:49,450 --> 00:20:52,130 Detective Martinez had authored a search warrant 385 00:20:52,166 --> 00:20:55,196 for the residence of 100 West Carolwood. 386 00:20:58,116 --> 00:21:00,296 We went directly to the closet that Dr. Murray 387 00:21:00,333 --> 00:21:02,373 had indicated his medical bag was, 388 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,050 and inside there was a lot of medical debris 389 00:21:06,083 --> 00:21:12,323 and several bottles of Propofol, and that was the treasure. 390 00:21:12,350 --> 00:21:15,400 Casarez: As far as police are concerned, Dr. Murray 391 00:21:15,433 --> 00:21:19,433 essentially handed them the smoking gun. 392 00:21:19,466 --> 00:21:21,046 Tonight, breaking news. 393 00:21:21,083 --> 00:21:22,473 Preliminary word from the Los Angeles Coroner 394 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,250 on what killed Michael Jackson. 395 00:21:24,283 --> 00:21:27,453 The Coroner is ruling Jackson's death a homicide. 396 00:21:27,483 --> 00:21:31,423 Kobilinsky: The Coroner concluded that Michael Jackson died 397 00:21:31,450 --> 00:21:35,270 of acute Propofol intoxication. 398 00:21:35,300 --> 00:21:38,230 That was supplemented by the presence 399 00:21:38,266 --> 00:21:41,196 of Benzodiazepines in his system. 400 00:21:41,233 --> 00:21:47,153 The combination of Propofol with the Benzodiazepines 401 00:21:47,183 --> 00:21:49,333 will inhibit the central nervous system, 402 00:21:49,366 --> 00:21:52,426 and that causes the heart to slow down, 403 00:21:52,466 --> 00:21:56,116 and so ultimately, if you're not careful, 404 00:21:56,150 --> 00:22:00,380 what can happen is cardiac arrest and respiratory failure, 405 00:22:00,416 --> 00:22:04,046 and that is exactly what happened in this case. 406 00:22:04,083 --> 00:22:07,483 We assembled a book that contained our investigation, 407 00:22:08,016 --> 00:22:10,216 11 books, and we sent these books 408 00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:15,470 to 11 specialists in a variety of medical expertise. 409 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,480 They were each asked to render a medical opinion 410 00:22:19,016 --> 00:22:22,216 as to the level of care provided by Dr. Murray. 411 00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:25,200 All of them indicated to us that there was a major departure 412 00:22:25,233 --> 00:22:28,273 from the standard level of care, and in this particular case, 413 00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:31,150 the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office 414 00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:35,033 decided to charge Dr. Murray with manslaughter. 415 00:22:35,066 --> 00:22:36,376 During opening statements, we heard a voice 416 00:22:36,416 --> 00:22:39,096 that none of us were expecting to hear. 417 00:22:44,016 --> 00:22:44,476 Welcome back to "How It Really Happened." 418 00:22:45,016 --> 00:22:46,066 I'm Hill Harper. 419 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:48,300 When September 2011 came, it had been over 2 years 420 00:22:48,333 --> 00:22:50,353 since Michael Jackson passed away. 421 00:22:50,383 --> 00:22:52,403 Conrad Murray had been charged in his death, 422 00:22:52,433 --> 00:22:55,133 but so many questions remained. 423 00:22:55,166 --> 00:22:56,366 Was Murray to blame? 424 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,170 What happened behind the closed doors of Jackson's mansion? 425 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,230 With the trial came never-before-heard stories 426 00:23:01,266 --> 00:23:05,276 and new audio from prosecutors that shocked almost everyone. 427 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,130 It's Day 1 in the trial of Conrad Murray, 428 00:23:12,166 --> 00:23:14,996 the doctor who was charged with involuntary manslaughter 429 00:23:15,033 --> 00:23:17,023 in the death of Michael Jackson. 430 00:23:17,050 --> 00:23:20,180 On September 27, 2011, the trial started, 431 00:23:20,216 --> 00:23:21,416 People versus Conrad Murray. 432 00:23:21,450 --> 00:23:23,370 The big day has arrived. Are you ready? 433 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,100 Are you ready for your opening statement, sir? 434 00:23:25,133 --> 00:23:26,123 I think we're ready. 435 00:23:26,150 --> 00:23:27,300 We're ready. -Yeah? 436 00:23:27,333 --> 00:23:31,103 Karas: It was a mad house outside the courthouse. 437 00:23:31,133 --> 00:23:35,173 Not like any courthouse I have ever seen around the country, 438 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,250 and I've seen a lot of them. 439 00:23:37,283 --> 00:23:40,103 And you're seeing this wild scene here 440 00:23:40,133 --> 00:23:42,433 as all the fans are protesting. 441 00:23:42,466 --> 00:23:45,116 Casarez: I remember the fans of Michael Jackson 442 00:23:45,150 --> 00:23:47,370 during the course of this long trial 443 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,420 would line the hallway in the courthouse. 444 00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:52,370 Many of them would applaud and cheer 445 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,470 when the prosecution walked past 446 00:23:55,016 --> 00:23:56,476 and sort of give a stink eye to the defense. 447 00:23:57,016 --> 00:23:58,146 Reporter: Jermaine! 448 00:23:58,183 --> 00:24:01,053 Casarez: The Jackson family was in that trial every day. 449 00:24:01,083 --> 00:24:02,223 So you'd have Katherine Jackson. 450 00:24:02,250 --> 00:24:03,450 You'd have LaToya Jackson. 451 00:24:03,483 --> 00:24:06,053 You'd have Janet Jackson. 452 00:24:06,083 --> 00:24:08,223 And I remember that they would walk in, 453 00:24:08,250 --> 00:24:10,470 and sometimes the jury would already be seated, 454 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,220 and you would just see this family 455 00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:18,270 that you've known through your television screen for your life, 456 00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:23,080 and it had to have impacted why we were all there. 457 00:24:26,116 --> 00:24:29,096 Kim: At trial, jurors got two completely contradictory 458 00:24:29,133 --> 00:24:32,333 pictures of who Dr. Conrad Murray was. 459 00:24:32,366 --> 00:24:35,346 On one hand his attorneys brought in a string of patients 460 00:24:35,383 --> 00:24:40,023 who described him as a kind, effective doctor 461 00:24:40,050 --> 00:24:42,420 who cared about his patients, and on the other hand, 462 00:24:42,450 --> 00:24:46,470 prosecutors described him as an opportunistic, 463 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:52,300 money-grabbing doctor who was eager to make a windfall 464 00:24:52,333 --> 00:24:55,203 out of his treatment of Michael Jackson. 465 00:24:55,233 --> 00:24:57,453 Dr. Conrad Murray's defense's theory 466 00:24:57,483 --> 00:25:01,003 was that Michael Jackson had done something 467 00:25:01,033 --> 00:25:02,233 while Dr. Conrad Murray 468 00:25:02,266 --> 00:25:06,346 was out of the room leading to his own death. 469 00:25:06,383 --> 00:25:09,083 The prosecution's theory was that, 470 00:25:09,116 --> 00:25:12,076 in a laundry list of ways, Dr. Conrad Murray 471 00:25:12,116 --> 00:25:13,376 was negligent as a physician, 472 00:25:13,416 --> 00:25:15,166 leading to his patient's death. 473 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,430 It was Dr. Murray's repeated 474 00:25:18,466 --> 00:25:20,476 incompetent and unskilled acts that led 475 00:25:21,016 --> 00:25:25,996 to Mr. Jackson's death on June 25, 2009. 476 00:25:26,033 --> 00:25:27,173 During opening statements, 477 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,370 we heard a voice that none of us were expecting to hear, 478 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,150 which was Michael Jackson himself. 479 00:25:32,183 --> 00:25:35,303 His words rang out from a recording that Conrad Murray 480 00:25:35,333 --> 00:25:37,123 had made at his bedside. 481 00:25:49,316 --> 00:25:51,376 Trials have their highs and lows, 482 00:25:51,416 --> 00:25:54,476 and many of them have a bombshell moment. 483 00:25:55,016 --> 00:25:58,316 This was that moment in Conrad Murray's trial. 484 00:25:58,350 --> 00:26:02,100 No one had previously discussed this recording, 485 00:26:02,133 --> 00:26:04,003 disclosed the fact that it existed. 486 00:26:19,066 --> 00:26:23,296 It was unbelievable to hear how out of it he was. 487 00:26:23,333 --> 00:26:25,133 Karas: He's under the influence of drugs. 488 00:26:25,166 --> 00:26:27,426 It was hard without, you know, 489 00:26:27,466 --> 00:26:30,216 without some substantiation to even believe 490 00:26:30,250 --> 00:26:31,430 it was Michael Jackson, 491 00:26:31,466 --> 00:26:34,076 yet Conrad Murray had recorded him like this, 492 00:26:34,116 --> 00:26:35,176 and for what? 493 00:26:35,216 --> 00:26:37,076 And why would you record that? 494 00:26:37,116 --> 00:26:39,076 I didn't even recognize or realize 495 00:26:39,116 --> 00:26:42,066 that that recording was actually on my phone. 496 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:46,230 And I think the big moment is when they showed all the drugs. 497 00:26:46,266 --> 00:26:47,396 -Two milligrams... -"you gave him 498 00:26:47,433 --> 00:26:49,473 this much of this, the Propofol, 499 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,450 this much anti-anxiety, this much sleeping pills," 500 00:26:53,483 --> 00:26:56,253 and they put them all out on a table, 501 00:26:56,283 --> 00:26:59,453 and your jaw just dropped. 502 00:26:59,483 --> 00:27:06,323 How much medication and drugs could one person take? 503 00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:09,070 Kim: Prosecutor David Walgren tallied for jurors 504 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:11,370 just how much Propofol Conrad Murray 505 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,100 had ordered to be shipped to Los Angeles, 506 00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:16,103 and he pointed out that it all added up 507 00:27:16,133 --> 00:27:18,353 to more than 4 gallons of Propofol. 508 00:27:18,383 --> 00:27:20,003 And I think one of the shocking things 509 00:27:20,033 --> 00:27:23,003 was he initially made the first order of Propofol, 510 00:27:23,033 --> 00:27:24,223 I mean, very close in time 511 00:27:24,250 --> 00:27:27,450 to when he was hired by Michael Jackson. 512 00:27:27,483 --> 00:27:30,283 So all of a sudden, you see that's the reason 513 00:27:30,316 --> 00:27:35,296 that Conrad Murray was his personal physician. 514 00:27:35,333 --> 00:27:37,323 Franklin: The biggest piece of evidence that we had 515 00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:39,250 was the audiotape of Conrad Murray 516 00:27:39,283 --> 00:27:41,283 talking to the police detectives. 517 00:27:41,316 --> 00:27:44,376 We went over that for hours and hours and hours. 518 00:27:44,416 --> 00:27:46,476 That was our main piece of evidence, 519 00:27:47,016 --> 00:27:49,426 and that's what we used the most, his own words. 520 00:28:05,066 --> 00:28:06,466 Friday morning, we came back to actually start 521 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,120 the deliberations. 522 00:28:08,150 --> 00:28:10,020 We still didn't know where anybody stood 523 00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:12,330 so we decided that we would finally take a vote 524 00:28:12,366 --> 00:28:14,076 towards the end of the day on Friday 525 00:28:14,116 --> 00:28:16,076 and found out that it was 11 to 1, 526 00:28:16,116 --> 00:28:17,326 and when we talked to the juror again, 527 00:28:17,366 --> 00:28:20,016 he says, "I don't care what you guys tell me. 528 00:28:20,050 --> 00:28:21,470 I am not changing my mind." 529 00:28:22,016 --> 00:28:24,996 He said, "I am not going to vote guilty for Conrad Murray. 530 00:28:25,033 --> 00:28:27,373 I'm going to vote guilty for Alberto Alvarez, 531 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,050 the security guard." 532 00:28:29,083 --> 00:28:30,233 We said, "The security guard? 533 00:28:30,266 --> 00:28:33,076 He's not on trial," and we said, "Why would you vote -- 534 00:28:33,116 --> 00:28:34,476 why would think that he was involved?" 535 00:28:35,016 --> 00:28:36,996 He says, "I believe that Alberto Alvarez 536 00:28:37,033 --> 00:28:38,283 has a secret insurance policy 537 00:28:38,316 --> 00:28:41,476 on Michael Jackson's life of $500,000, 538 00:28:42,016 --> 00:28:43,216 and I think he was in on this, 539 00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:45,130 and I think he's responsible for his death 540 00:28:45,166 --> 00:28:47,326 because he wanted to collect the insurance policy." 541 00:28:47,366 --> 00:28:50,366 So once we told the juror that he's not on trial, 542 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,450 and he said, "Fine, I want to vote guilty 543 00:28:52,483 --> 00:28:54,473 on the personal chef, Kai Chase." 544 00:28:57,316 --> 00:29:00,076 "Kai Chase? What did she do? 545 00:29:00,116 --> 00:29:01,316 She's not on trial." 546 00:29:01,350 --> 00:29:03,470 We, again, talked him out of that. 547 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,380 So we thought, "Well, you give us your side of the story. 548 00:29:07,416 --> 00:29:10,376 You now convince us 11 guilties 549 00:29:10,416 --> 00:29:13,276 why we should switch to not guilty," and he said, 550 00:29:13,316 --> 00:29:16,376 "Well, the only reason I don't want to vote guilty 551 00:29:16,416 --> 00:29:19,046 is because I think if we vote guilty, 552 00:29:19,083 --> 00:29:21,383 we're going to give Propofol a bad name," 553 00:29:21,416 --> 00:29:25,166 so we said, "Look, you are breaking the law." 554 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,170 We told him that if, "You are not following 555 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,130 what the jury instructions say," 556 00:29:30,166 --> 00:29:34,996 and he says, "Well, I don't break the law," 557 00:29:35,033 --> 00:29:37,233 and then we knew we kind of had him. 558 00:29:40,333 --> 00:29:42,023 When we went back into that courtroom, 559 00:29:42,050 --> 00:29:44,130 my heart was pounding. 560 00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:46,026 Blitzer: And we're following the breaking news this hour, 561 00:29:46,066 --> 00:29:48,066 a verdict to be announced any minute now 562 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:52,200 in the involuntary manslaughter trial of Dr. Conrad Murray. 563 00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:00,480 Blitzer: And we're following the breaking news this hour. 564 00:30:01,016 --> 00:30:03,016 A verdict to be announced any minute now 565 00:30:03,050 --> 00:30:06,380 in the involuntary manslaughter trial of Dr. Conrad Murray, 566 00:30:06,416 --> 00:30:09,166 Michael Jackson's personal physician. 567 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,170 On November 7th, the jury returned with a verdict. 568 00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:17,030 When we heard that a verdict had been reached, 569 00:30:17,066 --> 00:30:20,016 we all rushed to the courtroom. 570 00:30:20,050 --> 00:30:21,080 There was time, though, 571 00:30:21,116 --> 00:30:23,346 to assemble everyone before it was read. 572 00:30:23,383 --> 00:30:26,023 The judge took the bench. 573 00:30:26,050 --> 00:30:27,270 The jurors came in. 574 00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:30,350 And we all walked out there, dead silence. 575 00:30:30,383 --> 00:30:32,123 I mean, you could have heard a pin drop. 576 00:30:32,150 --> 00:30:35,150 Karas: I remember making a note that none of the jurors 577 00:30:35,183 --> 00:30:37,283 looked over at Conrad Murray. 578 00:30:37,316 --> 00:30:41,996 That's often a sign of bad news for a defendant. 579 00:30:42,033 --> 00:30:45,183 Franklin: As they were handing the verdict to the judge, 580 00:30:45,216 --> 00:30:47,396 and he looked at it and handed it to the clerk... 581 00:30:50,333 --> 00:30:54,403 ...and as she was reading it, my heart was just pounding. 582 00:30:54,433 --> 00:30:57,483 Clerk: We, the jury in the above entitled action, 583 00:30:58,016 --> 00:31:01,066 find the defendant, Conrad Robert Murray, 584 00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:04,480 guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter. 585 00:31:05,016 --> 00:31:07,016 Somebody to my left screamed. 586 00:31:07,050 --> 00:31:08,270 I jumped a mile. 587 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:12,150 Karas: Michael Jackson's niece did let out a yelp. 588 00:31:12,183 --> 00:31:15,273 We all heard it. I mean, it's audible. 589 00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:16,470 She couldn't help it. 590 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,400 As soon as she heard guilty of involuntary manslaughter, 591 00:31:19,433 --> 00:31:21,353 it was what she wanted to hear. 592 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,000 Guilty! Guilty! 593 00:31:28,033 --> 00:31:29,153 Ha, ha, ha! 594 00:31:29,183 --> 00:31:32,273 Justice has been served! 595 00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:35,420 [Cheering] 596 00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:36,470 Blitzer: Dr. Conrad Murray 597 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,230 is going to be escorted to jail right now 598 00:31:38,266 --> 00:31:42,366 until his formal sentencing on Tuesday, November 29th. 599 00:31:47,316 --> 00:31:48,426 Wass: On the day of the sentencing, 600 00:31:48,466 --> 00:31:51,126 the judge imposed the maximum sentence. 601 00:31:51,166 --> 00:31:54,216 Man: The honorable Michael E. Pastor Judge presiding, 602 00:31:54,250 --> 00:31:56,150 please be seated. 603 00:31:56,183 --> 00:32:00,383 And he went off on this tangent and made Dr. Murray 604 00:32:00,416 --> 00:32:03,216 look like the most horrific person in the world. 605 00:32:03,250 --> 00:32:07,350 Dr. Murray created a set of circumstances 606 00:32:07,383 --> 00:32:14,173 and became involved in a cycle of horrible medicine. 607 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,230 The judge, Judge Pastor, 608 00:32:16,266 --> 00:32:20,196 then sentenced him the maximum he could, 4 years in prison. 609 00:32:20,233 --> 00:32:22,023 After the sentencing, when Dr. Murray 610 00:32:22,050 --> 00:32:23,380 was led off back to jail, 611 00:32:23,416 --> 00:32:27,276 he blew a kiss back to all of his supporters, Brooke. 612 00:32:27,316 --> 00:32:30,216 Okay. Casey Wian for us in Los Angeles. 613 00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:33,100 Michael's fans were infuriated 614 00:32:33,133 --> 00:32:37,023 because they believed he murdered the King of Pop. 615 00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:38,430 Karas: There were many fans who believed 616 00:32:38,466 --> 00:32:41,246 that this should have been a second degree murder charge. 617 00:32:41,283 --> 00:32:44,353 That's punishable by 15 years to life. 618 00:32:44,383 --> 00:32:48,203 Involuntary manslaughter, ultimately the decision 619 00:32:48,233 --> 00:32:51,103 the District Attorney Steve Cooley went with, 620 00:32:51,133 --> 00:32:52,383 easier to prove. 621 00:32:52,416 --> 00:32:57,176 I remember one day seeing a small plane circling overhead 622 00:32:57,216 --> 00:32:59,376 and trailing a banner behind it 623 00:32:59,416 --> 00:33:02,016 that was demanding murder charges 624 00:33:02,050 --> 00:33:04,080 that was critical of the Prosecution 625 00:33:04,116 --> 00:33:07,026 for bringing only a manslaughter charge. 626 00:33:07,066 --> 00:33:13,096 In fact, I had fans tell me that they were going to organize 627 00:33:13,133 --> 00:33:14,373 and defeat Steve Cooley's 628 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,480 run for Attorney General of California. 629 00:33:17,016 --> 00:33:18,376 He did indeed run for Attorney General, 630 00:33:18,416 --> 00:33:20,346 and he did indeed get defeated. 631 00:33:20,383 --> 00:33:23,173 They credit themselves with a bloc of votes 632 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,250 that supported his opponent. 633 00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,150 Wass: I strongly believe that if Michael Jackson 634 00:33:30,183 --> 00:33:33,173 hadn't have been the victim that Dr. Murray 635 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,400 would not have been charged with a felony. 636 00:33:36,433 --> 00:33:38,453 It would have been a medical board proceeding. 637 00:33:38,483 --> 00:33:40,373 You know, he might have lost his license 638 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,070 or been suspended for a while, 639 00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:44,470 but it never would have turned into a felony conviction. 640 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,400 There was never any attempt by Murray to -- 641 00:33:46,433 --> 00:33:50,253 I mean, Michael Jackson was his lifeline. 642 00:33:50,283 --> 00:33:54,203 Michael Jackson was a source of income for Mr. Murray. 643 00:33:54,233 --> 00:33:55,453 They both needed each other. 644 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,420 Franklin: The jurors felt that he -- 645 00:33:57,450 --> 00:34:00,180 we did think he was a good friend, 646 00:34:00,216 --> 00:34:04,146 and we even thought that he's probably a good doctor. 647 00:34:04,183 --> 00:34:07,023 He just made a very bad decision. 648 00:34:09,116 --> 00:34:11,426 Conrad Murray is now a free man 649 00:34:11,466 --> 00:34:13,426 after being released overnight in Los Angeles. 650 00:34:13,466 --> 00:34:17,276 He served nearly 2 years of a 4-year sentence 651 00:34:17,316 --> 00:34:19,196 for involuntary manslaughter. 652 00:34:19,233 --> 00:34:23,133 Wass: Dr. Murray was released from prison in October 2013. 653 00:34:23,166 --> 00:34:26,226 A month after Dr. Murray was released from jail, 654 00:34:26,266 --> 00:34:29,066 I spent Thanksgiving with Dr. Murray 655 00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:32,050 and his family and friends, and Nicole, 656 00:34:32,083 --> 00:34:34,153 Dr. Murray's girlfriend, wanted us to play Family Feud. 657 00:34:34,183 --> 00:34:38,173 It was a CD you put into the DVD player, you know. 658 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,420 The second question for our team 659 00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:44,300 was, "Name the top five reasons a person can't fall asleep." 660 00:34:44,333 --> 00:34:47,183 It was like a movie script, I swear. It was crazy. 661 00:34:47,216 --> 00:34:48,376 Man: What was the number one answer? 662 00:34:48,416 --> 00:34:50,346 The number one answer was insomnia, 663 00:34:50,383 --> 00:34:54,073 and nobody on our team got that answer. 664 00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:56,070 Lemon: Do you take any responsibility 665 00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:58,200 in Michael Jackson's demise, in his death? 666 00:34:58,233 --> 00:35:04,203 You know, I am very remorseful that Michael has passed away. 667 00:35:04,233 --> 00:35:05,353 Michael was a friend. 668 00:35:05,383 --> 00:35:09,233 I felt as though I was protecting Michael all the time. 669 00:35:09,266 --> 00:35:11,116 I did. 670 00:35:11,150 --> 00:35:14,050 Morgan: What are your feelings towards Dr. Conrad Murray? 671 00:35:14,083 --> 00:35:18,483 I can't even describe the way I feel about him. 672 00:35:19,016 --> 00:35:21,466 He did a terrible thing, 673 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,470 and there might have been others involved. 674 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,330 I don't know that, but I feel that. 675 00:35:26,366 --> 00:35:29,026 Reporter: Michael's mother, Katherine Jackson, 676 00:35:29,066 --> 00:35:32,116 has just filed a lawsuit against AEG. 677 00:35:38,333 --> 00:35:40,153 Reporter: And the mother of the late pop star 678 00:35:40,183 --> 00:35:42,473 Michael Jackson has filed a wrongful death lawsuit 679 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,480 against the company behind his planned comeback tour in the UK. 680 00:35:47,016 --> 00:35:50,316 In the suit, Katherine Jackson claims that AEG Live 681 00:35:50,350 --> 00:35:52,480 was responsible for her son's health 682 00:35:53,016 --> 00:35:56,996 because it hired and directed his doctor, Conrad Murray. 683 00:35:57,033 --> 00:36:00,123 Michael Jackson's family was looking for someone to blame, 684 00:36:00,150 --> 00:36:02,170 and they were blaming AEG. 685 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,430 His family is seeking more than a billion dollars in damages. 686 00:36:06,466 --> 00:36:09,166 Duke: Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine Jackson, 687 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,350 hired a team of powerful lawyers to go after AEG Live, 688 00:36:13,383 --> 00:36:16,383 to sue them for Michael Jackson's death. 689 00:36:16,416 --> 00:36:18,226 ♪ They don't even care about us ♪ 690 00:36:18,266 --> 00:36:20,416 Duke: Arguing that Michael would be alive 691 00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:23,230 if they had taken better care of him, 692 00:36:23,266 --> 00:36:25,326 not pressured him to perform, 693 00:36:25,366 --> 00:36:32,346 not hired the doctor that went to prison for his death. 694 00:36:32,383 --> 00:36:34,433 Of course AEG Live said, "We didn't hire him. 695 00:36:34,466 --> 00:36:36,366 Michael brought him to us." 696 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,070 Man: And the sad truth here is Mr. Jackson's death 697 00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:41,070 was caused his choices, 698 00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:43,370 and it would have happened no matter what, 699 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,130 with or without AEG Live. 700 00:36:46,166 --> 00:36:48,176 Duke: In closing arguments, Brian Panish, 701 00:36:48,216 --> 00:36:52,376 the lawyer for Katherine Jackson actually acknowledged 702 00:36:52,416 --> 00:36:56,216 that Michael Jackson contributed to his own death. 703 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,020 The jury ultimately decided that Dr. Murray 704 00:37:17,050 --> 00:37:19,130 was not incompetent, 705 00:37:19,166 --> 00:37:22,476 so AEG couldn't be held liable for hiring an incompetent doctor 706 00:37:23,016 --> 00:37:24,446 because they said he was a medical doctor. 707 00:37:24,483 --> 00:37:26,473 It was really kind of an odd verdict. 708 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,400 Concert promoter AEG Live found 709 00:37:29,433 --> 00:37:31,453 not liable for Michael Jackson's death. 710 00:37:31,483 --> 00:37:35,373 A jury cleared AEG of wrongdoing and awarded the Jackson family, 711 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,450 therefore, nothing. -Good morning there, Chris. 712 00:37:37,483 --> 00:37:39,303 This was a shocker of a verdict, 713 00:37:39,333 --> 00:37:42,373 given how complex and how long this trial went on. 714 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,480 Michael Jackson was pretty used to getting his own way. 715 00:37:47,016 --> 00:37:50,076 Anybody who said, "No," well they were out of the mix, 716 00:37:50,116 --> 00:37:51,446 and he would find somebody else. 717 00:37:51,483 --> 00:37:53,233 Everybody needed something. 718 00:37:53,266 --> 00:37:55,126 Conrad Murray needed the cash. 719 00:37:55,166 --> 00:37:57,216 Michael Jackson needed the drugs. 720 00:37:57,250 --> 00:38:00,470 AEG Live needed the show to take place. 721 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,470 Ultimately none of that happened, and nobody won. 722 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,280 Everybody lost. 723 00:38:06,316 --> 00:38:08,166 The names of Conrad Murray and Michael Jackson 724 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,430 will always be linked together. 725 00:38:09,466 --> 00:38:12,176 In fact, Michael Jackson once foretold this 726 00:38:12,216 --> 00:38:14,066 by telling Conrad Murray that, 727 00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:16,070 "You know, our names will be linked forever," 728 00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,080 and when Conrad Murray asked Michael Jackson, 729 00:38:18,116 --> 00:38:19,146 "How do you know that," 730 00:38:19,183 --> 00:38:21,023 Jackson said, "I'm a clairvoyant." 731 00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:26,130 ♪♪ 732 00:38:26,166 --> 00:38:28,316 It seems that the story is over. 733 00:38:28,350 --> 00:38:29,420 It's a tragedy. 734 00:38:29,450 --> 00:38:32,330 We lost Michael Jackson. 735 00:38:32,366 --> 00:38:36,176 Karas: The world lost someone they'll never get back. 736 00:38:36,216 --> 00:38:39,226 This is a very sad tale. It's a very -- 737 00:38:39,266 --> 00:38:41,126 Shakespeare couldn't have written this story 738 00:38:41,166 --> 00:38:45,446 any more dramatically or tragically. 739 00:38:45,483 --> 00:38:49,133 Geragos: I think his legacy is what it should be, 740 00:38:49,166 --> 00:38:50,346 one of the greatest performers, 741 00:38:50,383 --> 00:38:55,283 songwriters, and human beings of all time. 742 00:38:55,316 --> 00:38:58,276 You know, Michael Jackson's real legacy is his music, 743 00:38:58,316 --> 00:38:59,996 is his art, 744 00:39:00,033 --> 00:39:03,273 and with Michael Jackson the person out of the picture, 745 00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:06,270 I think future generations can focus once again 746 00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:08,150 on what made Michael Jackson great. 747 00:39:08,183 --> 00:39:09,453 That's his music. 748 00:39:09,483 --> 00:39:14,333 Reporter: How does it feel when you go in to do a concert somewhere 749 00:39:14,366 --> 00:39:17,216 and literally there are tens of thousands of people 750 00:39:17,250 --> 00:39:20,220 that are rushing over to you just to get a glimpse? 751 00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:22,050 It's a wonderful feeling, 752 00:39:22,083 --> 00:39:26,323 especially when you see them smiling, and I love the fans. 753 00:39:26,350 --> 00:39:31,050 I think it's very sweet. 754 00:39:31,083 --> 00:39:34,133 I feel thankful is how I feel. I really do. 755 00:39:34,166 --> 00:39:36,226 I don't take any of it for granted. 756 00:39:41,016 --> 00:39:43,426 For me and millions of others, 757 00:39:43,466 --> 00:39:47,476 Michael's genius and legacy live on. 758 00:39:48,016 --> 00:39:49,116 As for Dr. Murray, 759 00:39:49,150 --> 00:39:51,100 his medical license was suspended in California, 760 00:39:51,133 --> 00:39:53,273 Nevada, and revoked in Texas. 761 00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:55,000 He turned down our interview requests 762 00:39:55,033 --> 00:39:58,073 but self-published a book of his version of events. 763 00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:01,100 He still maintains he did nothing wrong. 764 00:40:01,133 --> 00:40:03,323 We all miss you, Michael. 765 00:40:03,350 --> 00:40:05,050 Thanks for watching. 766 00:40:05,083 --> 00:40:06,053 Good night. 767 00:40:06,083 --> 00:40:09,353 ♪♪ 62154

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