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Narrator: On the western
side of south america
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Is a land of exotic
jungles, vast plains,
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And astounding
archaeological sites.
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Giorgio a. Tsoukalos: All
throughout that region of the world,
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We have some of
the most incredible
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Architectural structures
on planet earth.
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Narrator: But could
new discoveries reveal
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That the true history of peru
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Is far more incredible
than we ever imagined?
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Hugh newman: The dating of
caral has really put into question
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The origins of
civilization and the planet.
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Tsoukalos: This excavation
has put the entire region
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Into a new light.
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Narrator: Ancient
astronaut theorist
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Giorgio tsoukalos is joined
by author david childress
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And investigative
mythologist william henry
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To examine evidence
suggesting that peru was home
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To an advanced civilization
thousands of years ago...
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David childress: These
discoveries are changing the face
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Of south american archaeology.
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Narrator: And was influenced
by beings from another world.
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The message is consistent
throughout all these discoveries
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That extraterrestrials
were helping to advance us.
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I mean, this is about
as exciting as it gets.
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Narrator: There is a
doorway in the universe.
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Beyond it is the
promise of truth.
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It demands we
question everything
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We have ever been taught.
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The evidence is all around us.
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The future is right
before our eyes.
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We are not alone.
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We have never been alone.
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Peru is actually
one of my favorite
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Places to visit on the planet,
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And we've all been to peru.
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This is what's so great
about that whole region
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Because it seems
as if this whole area
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Continues to give us
new pieces of information.
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Henry: And we're just beginning
to uncover what's actually there.
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It's kind of like a wild
frontier down there.
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I mean, worlds meet
down there, don't they?
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It's really, uh, just
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The most mysterious place,
and it's a very large country
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That goes from
deserts along the coast
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Up into the mountains,
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Down into the
jungles... it has literally
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- Every climate in the world.
- Tsoukalos: Mm-hmm.
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And it's also a treasure trove
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For the ancient astronaut theory
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- Henry: Yeah.
- Because there are many megalithic sites
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And especially in the legends
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- And the mythologies of that place.
- Yep.
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You have stories of
giants and of, uh, gods,
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The children of the sun.
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Narrator: The country of
peru in western south america
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Is known for its many
ancient archaeological wonders
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From the massive
stone walls of cusco
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To the magnificent
terraces at ollantaytambo,
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To the majestic mountain
citadel of machu picchu.
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These incredible sites
have long been connected
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To a great civilization that
emerged in the 13th century ad
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Known as the inca.
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The inca pretty much
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Not just dominated
the landscape,
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They changed the landscape.
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They had these
major massive cities
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From one end of the andes
to the other end of the andes.
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And in between
each of these cities,
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They had this
incredible road network.
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We have to think about the inca
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As part of this aggressive trend
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Of ideas and of
culture and tradition.
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Narrator: In 1526,
spanish conquistadors,
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Led by francisco
pizarro, arrived in peru,
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And over the course of
the following four decades,
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Conquered the inca empire.
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While the inca only flourished
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For a little more
than two centuries,
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Mainstream archaeologists
remain astonished
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By their engineering and
construction achievements.
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But a mounting body
of evidence suggests
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Many of peru's astounding
structures may, in fact,
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Have been built by a
much earlier civilization.
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The incas were
pretty recent, really,
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-To the spanish. They're
not the oldest, -henry: Right.
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- Henry: Right.
- Childress: They had only existed
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- About 200 years before the spanish arrived.
- Right. Yeah.
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And allegedly,
during that period,
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They built all these giant
megaliths around cusco,
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Sacsayhuamán, even machu
picchu and ollantaytambo,
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And they would have
just completed them
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- Wait...
- Like, a hundred years before the spanish.
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Wait a second, wait a
second. But here's the deal.
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That is mainstream
archaeology's opinion.
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When you ask the local,
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Including the local
archaeologists
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And tour guides, yes,
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They will tell tour groups
that yes, this is all inca,
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But when you have deep
conversations with them,
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They all agree that
many of those structures
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Are pre-inca.
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And this is where
the opinions diverge.
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- Henry: Right.
- Who were the pre-inca?
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Narrator: In April 2019,
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David childress traveled to peru
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With author hugh newman to meet
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With jorge luis delgado,
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A local expert on and a
descendant of the inca.
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Jorge believes that many
of peru's most incredible
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Ancient structures do,
in fact, predate the inca.
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Childress: All
right. Here we are.
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Narrator: On this day,
jorge took david and hugh
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To one of peru's
most mysterious sites:
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A location outside of cusco
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Known only as the x-zone.
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Overlooking the sprawling
stone fortress of sacsayhuamán,
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The x-zone is an impressive
collection of megalithic ruins,
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Rock-cut monuments and a
maze of underground tunnels.
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- Henry: It's incredible.
- Childress: What kind of technology
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Does it take to cut these
so perfectly and straight
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And then fit them
in where you can't fit
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A piece of paper or
a razor blade in here.
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Henry: It seems like they're
softening the stones somehow,
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And they're kind of shaping
it and then putting it back in.
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Like some magical technology.
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Narrator: Naylamp was the deity
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Worshipped by the sican people
who settled in northern peru
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Around 750 ad,
centuries before the inca.
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Their oral traditions
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Describe naylamp
as a strange being
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With sharp birdlike features
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Who, upon his
death, sprouted wings
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And then ascended into the sky.
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Is it possible that
these traditional beliefs
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Are grounded in fact, as
the sican people claim?
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And, if so, could
naylamp have been,
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As ancient astronaut
theorists suspect,
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An extraterrestrial being?
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I think that the incas
found these places.
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They identified them as very
important, and they moved in.
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They say so in one
of the earliest books
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Written about that region.
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Diego de landa was
the one who wrote it.
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It says that the
incas themselves
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Said this was not built by us.
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-We also have the local
legends -henry: Yeah.
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That say that there
were celestial visitors.
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They were not gods. They
were visiting extraterrestrials.
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Henry: Well, here's
where now we get
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Fact backing up
the local knowledge,
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Lore, understanding in this.
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1994 archaeologist ruth shady
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Is exploring north
of lima, and she said,
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- "that hill over there... that looks artificial to me."
- tsoukalos: Mm-hmm.
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So she goes and
gathers some soldiers.
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They do some excavating.
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Lo and behold,
here's this... what?
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Ten-story-tall pyramid.
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And that became
known as the site of...
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- Caral.
- Right.
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Narrator: First
discovered in 1905,
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The site of caral-supe, often
referred to as simply caral,
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Was initially thought to be
little more than a scattering
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Of insignificant and
possibly modern ruins.
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But while investigating
the site in 1994,
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Peruvian archaeologist
ruth shady solís
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Came to the astonishing
revelation that caral
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Was once a vast and
highly sophisticated city.
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When you visit caral, you find
a huge archaeological complex.
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There is a large sunken
amphitheater to the south.
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There's a major
pyramid to the north
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And then there are
more minor pyramids
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That surround a central area.
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There are also other
buildings, residential buildings,
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So it's a really huge complex.
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Narrator: But the most
extraordinary discovery
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Was still to come.
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While excavating the
pyramid's foundation in 1999,
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Ruth shady and her team
unearthed the preserved remains
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Of ancient mesh bags woven
from a long durable grass
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Known as shicra.
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Up until this time,
there had been no way
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To scientifically
determine the age of caral
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Since it is not possible to
perform radiocarbon dating
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On inorganic material
like stone ruins.
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With the discovery
of the grass bags,
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Archaeologists now had the
organic material they needed
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To determine just how
old caral really was.
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And what they found was
nothing less than shocking.
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Carbon dating of the bags
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Revealed that caral
predated the inca civilization
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By more than 3,000 years.
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Schoch: This site
went back at least
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To 2600 bc or earlier.
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So that was putting it
back 4,600 or more years,
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Which made it one
of the oldest sites
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As far as civilization
in the americas.
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Newman: Caral could
be the mother culture
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Of the whole of south america.
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The dating of caral has
really put into question
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The origins of
civilization on the planet.
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Narrator: The dating
of caral to 2600 bc,
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A revelation made just a little
more than two decades ago,
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Completely upended history's
well-established timeline.
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And continuing excavation
has produced evidence
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Suggesting the
site is even older.
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These discoveries at caral
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Are changing the face of
south american archaeology
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And we don't even know what
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New discoveries they're
going to be making in the future.
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I mean, you have a choice.
If you're an archaeologist,
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You're either really excited
right now or really nervous
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Because the chronology
has been obliterated,
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And now we have to
ask were extraterrestrials
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Helping to advance
us? And caral is hinting
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At that as well. Definitely.
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Incredible.
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Have either of
you been to caral?
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- No. - No.
- Well, this is great
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Because on our video call
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Is our good friend
brien foerster
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-And he's just been to caral,
and I can't wait to hear -awesome.
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- What he has to report to us.
- Absolutely. - Oh, right.
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Hey, brien. Good to see you.
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- Childress: Hi, brien.
- Gentlemen.
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Tsoukalos: It's
been a long time.
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Always a pleasure to visit
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With my ancient
aliens compatriots.
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- Are you at your house in paracas?
- Foerster: Yeah.
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I've just come back
from an incredible
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Ancient site called caral
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On the central coast of peru.
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Caral has only been excavated
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For possibly the
last 20 or 30 years.
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It was a huge trading center
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That connected the coast of
peru, the highlands of peru,
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And even the amazon
jungle 4,500 years ago.
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Narrator: Aside from
featuring the remains
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Of many impressive
ancient structures,
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Caral appears to
have been designed
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Very much like a
modern metropolis
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With specific districts
dedicated to various trades,
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Along with dwellings for as
many as 3,000 inhabitants.
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Beardsley: At caral,
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We've got this
incredible urban planning.
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It has indications of
the use of science.
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Definitely engineering,
definitely mathematics
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When we start looking at
the planning, the structure
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Of these particular sites.
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It's a huge complex. They're
discovering more and more of it.
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So as you drive off the highway
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Towards caral, there
are ruins on the left side
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And the right side
going on for miles.
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So it was a very major center.
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Probably the most incredible
thing is the central pyramid.
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It's quite massive, and the
excavations are ongoing.
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Narrator: Standing
some 90 feet tall,
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The great pyramid of caral
occupies an area of five acres
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Or nearly four football fields.
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A 30-foot-wide staircase rises
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From a sunken circular plaza
at the base of the pyramid
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Passing over
three terraced levels
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Until it reaches
the top of a platform
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That features the
remains of a large atrium
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And some kind of structure
designed for continuous burning.
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But just what was its purpose?
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Newman: It's quite
tall, and it's thought that
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The ceremonial aspect
of the site was carried out
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From the top of this
particular pyramid.
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And the chief
priests, or shaman,
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Could actually see over
the whole domain of caral
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And actually almost see
to the coast on a clear day.
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And so it could have been used
for astronomical observations.
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Narrator: Recently unearthed
archaeological evidence
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Suggests that, during
the same period,
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Approximately 4,600 years ago,
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While ziggurats were
being built in mesopotamia,
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As well as the step
pyramids in egypt,
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Incredibly similar structures
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Were being constructed in caral.
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Was this by pure coincidence?
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Ancient astronaut theorists
believe the evidence suggests
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They could be
profoundly connected.
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It's almost as if there was
some kind of syzygy going on
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Between egypt and
the caral civilization
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Of northern peru at
exactly the same time.
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These monuments
quite clearly are meant
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To connect us with
otherworldly environments.
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They were both
constructed around 2600 bc.
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I find that very
intriguing indeed.
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Caral is dated to
about the same time
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That the saqqara
step pyramid was built.
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Do you see a correspondence
between those two sites?
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It's just curious
that this timeline
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Keeps coming up about ancient
places being 4,500 years old.
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Like the pyramids in egypt
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And other locations
around the world.
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Henry: I think that there
was a pre-flood civilization,
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Everything collapsed and then
around this period... 3000 bc...
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Then all of a sudden there's
this reset in the ancient world.
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Yeah, that very much
seems to be the case.
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Narrator: In ancient
traditions around the world,
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There are accounts
of a lost civilization
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That existed on earth that
was destroyed by a great flood...
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Such as the
vedas texts of india,
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The babylonian poem
the epic of gilgamesh,
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The bible's book of genesis,
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And the incan myth
of the unu pachakuti.
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According to geologist
dr. Robert schoch,
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A growing body of
evidence suggests
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That these stories are
based on historical events,
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And that such a cataclysm
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May actually have
occurred around the end
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Of the last ice age
12,000 years ago.
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We now know, based
on a lot of geological data,
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That there were incredible
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Climatic changes at the
end of the last ice age.
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My work has put
it all together that
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This was based on major solar
outbursts that change conditions
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On the surface of
the earth dramatically.
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And to make a very
big story very short,
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There were
well-developed cultures,
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Sophisticated cultures,
civilization on earth
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That were devastated
by the events
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At the end of the last ice age.
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Narrator: According
to dr. Schoch,
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This cataclysm thrust
humanity into a dark age
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For thousands of years.
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Until new civilizations
emerged around the globe
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At remarkably similar times.
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Schoch: After thousands of
years, civilizations reemerged
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Around the same time period,
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Between about 3500 bc
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To 2500 bc or so.
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We have that in the
old world with egypt,
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With mesopotamia,
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In asia with the
chinese cultures.
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Caral is, I believe, evidence
of this in the americas
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Of the reemergence
of civilization.
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Can you tell us
why, in your opinion,
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It is such an
important ancient site?
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I think the most
important thing was that
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People of caral were
in some way connected
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To the ancient deity
called viracocha,
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Which we find in
other cultures in peru
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And other locations
around the world.
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- Wow.
- Henry: They found the gourd buried near caral
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That had the image
of the staff god on it,
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And they were
able to date it to...
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What? Like, 2300 bc?
Meaning it was created
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- By people who lived at caral.
- Foerster: Yeah. Exactly.
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It makes caral the
oldest radiocarbon-tested
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Ceremonial complex
in the americas.
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It is quite likely that
the people of caral
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Were in some way
connected to the...
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Ancient deity called viracocha,
which we find in other cultures
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In peru and other
locations around the world.
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So you're referring to the
so-called staff god, right?
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The guy with the two staffs.
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Yeah, very much so.
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So the staff god that
was found at caral,
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I mean, it's really the
same guy viracocha,
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On the gate of the
sun at tiahuanco, right?
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Yeah, very similar.
I mean, of course,
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The, uh, depictions
are relatively crude,
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But they seem...
it seems to depict
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The same kind of deity or
ancestor or ancient visitors.
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Narrator: While exploring a
burial site near caral in 2003,
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Archaeologist alvaro ruiz
made a remarkable discovery.
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One of the artifacts that is
uncovered and recovered
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In caral-supe is
this gourd fragment.
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And on this gourd
fragment is an image of this...
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What has come to
be called a staff god.
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So it's this little guy,
and he's standing holding
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What appears to be a
staff in each of his hands.
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Narrator: Incredibly, radiocarbon
dating of the gourd fragment
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Revealed that it is
roughly 4,300 years old.
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The artifact's extraordinary age
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Suggests the deity drawn on it
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Was worshipped by
the people of caral.
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But even more astonishing
to archaeologists
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Is the fact that the
so-called staff god
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Bears a striking
similarity to a figure
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Worshiped by the inca
some 3,000 years later.
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The staff god was
a form of viracocha.
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And this is exactly
the same figure
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That's seen again and again
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In pre-columbian art,
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At places like tiahuanco
on the gateway of the sun,
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One of the most
important structures
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That existed in south america.
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There you have
exactly the same figure.
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Viracocha was the
primary deity of the andes
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Going back many
thousands of years.
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He was thought to be the
founder of all the ancient sites
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We see in peru
and bolivia today,
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Including tiahuanco, cusco,
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Sacsayhuamán, machu
picchu and many others.
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And he formed them and
built them along this alignment
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Called the path of viracocha
401
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Which stretches
southeast to northwest
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Across the whole country.
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Beardsley: This must
have been, in our estimation,
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An important symbol because
we see this particular symbol
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Being reused and adopted
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In other places for
several thousand years.
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So we see, basically, everything
408
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That becomes civilization,
that become the inca,
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We see in caral-supe.
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It's kind of strange
that, uh, the motif
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Has remained, which
would suggest that that motif
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Was incredibly important
to the local populations.
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Foerster: Well, that's
a good point because
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That, again, shows
the connection between
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The same kind of
deity or ancestor
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We see at tiahuanco or pumapunku
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Or in cusco itself,
418
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- Which is pretty incredible.
- That's pretty amazing.
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You know, that... I
mean, that there's
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Something... that something
has to be said about that.
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We, of course, have made
the suggestion viracocha
422
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May have been some type
of a visitor from another planet
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Because also, the
gear that he is wearing,
424
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For all intents and purposes,
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Looks like a
modern-day astronaut.
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- Childress: Yeah, true.
- Tsoukalos: Well, if that were true,
427
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It would tie in to this whole
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Worship of viracocha
that can be found
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All throughout peru
and south america.
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- Yeah, that very much seems to be the case.
- Tsoukalos: Amazing.
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Brien, thank you very much
for your time. It was wonderful
432
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To connect with you,
even if it's like this,
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And I cannot wait
to see you again
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Face-to-face in person.
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That will be a pleasure. Thanks
to all three of you gentlemen.
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- Tsoukalos: Thank you.
- Childress: Thanks, brien. - Okay. Thank you.
437
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And, you know,
what a... see, to me
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The whole idea that
this staff god only exists
439
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In south or central
america... No.
440
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- No.
- It... that symbolism
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Or that motif exists
442
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- Worldwide.
- Childress: Worldwide.
443
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And it's well known
in egypt and sumeria,
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- Ancient india.
- Henry: Right.
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Childress: It's interesting,
too, how when you look at
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The viracocha god
447
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At the... on the gate
of the sun at tiahuanco,
448
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On either side of him
449
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Are these birdmen,
birdmen who can fly.
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- Tsoukalos: Right. And what...
- Childress: Coming to him.
451
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Tsoukalos: And what better
symbolism to signify flight
452
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- Than showing people with wings?
- Henry: Right.
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You know, I mean, we have
the same thing in ancient sumeria.
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- Mm-hmm.
- You know, it is quite possible
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That this was symbolism
to signify people
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Coming from the sky.
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Narrator: Curiously,
examples of godlike figures
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That are depicted as
half man and half bird,
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Much like the figure of naylamp
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That was worshipped by the
sican people of northern peru,
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Can be found throughout
the ancient world
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From the anunnaki in mesopotamia
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To the hindu god
garuda in india,
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The tengu in japan,
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The birdmen of easter island,
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And the kachinas
revered by numerous tribes
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In north america.
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There is even a 44,000-year-old
cave painting in indonesia
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That archaeologists
have determined
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To be a humanlike
figure with a bird's head.
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We also have the local legends,
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And they're very clear in
saying that viracocha came
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- And gave instructions, so...
- Henry: Right.
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- To-to create civilization.
- Tsoukalos: Yes.
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- To create these buildings. All these giant pyramids.
- Right.
476
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Tsoukalos: According
to the legends,
477
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The knowledge of
building these things
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Was given by the so-called
gods from the stars.
479
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This has been our
argument all along.
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That our origin of any
of our ancient civilizations
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Dates much further back
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Into our distant past
than what we're being told.
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And that these civilizations
all over the world
484
00:28:22,201 --> 00:28:25,093
-Are more connected, but
archaeologists were saying -right.
485
00:28:25,112 --> 00:28:26,907
- They had no contact.
- Henry: Right.
486
00:28:26,931 --> 00:28:28,931
But now in south
america they're proving
487
00:28:28,933 --> 00:28:30,374
That's completely wrong,
488
00:28:30,525 --> 00:28:32,935
And all of these
cultures in south america
489
00:28:32,953 --> 00:28:36,772
Into the highlands, into the
jungle, all along the coast,
490
00:28:36,790 --> 00:28:39,775
They're all connected, and
we have all the geoglyphs
491
00:28:39,793 --> 00:28:42,444
- All over south america.
- Right.
492
00:28:42,463 --> 00:28:45,113
And, of course, nazca is
so famous for its geoglyphs,
493
00:28:45,132 --> 00:28:47,224
But caral has the oldest.
494
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:52,804
Narrator: The nazca lines present
one of peru's greatest mysteries...
495
00:28:52,957 --> 00:28:56,975
Hundreds of massive designs
carved into the desert floor,
496
00:28:57,127 --> 00:29:00,720
Created on a scale
to only be understood
497
00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:02,906
From high above the earth.
498
00:29:03,817 --> 00:29:06,744
It is estimated that the
earliest of these lines,
499
00:29:06,895 --> 00:29:10,914
Called geoglyphs, were
made around 500 bc.
500
00:29:13,827 --> 00:29:17,588
But in the year 2000,
while excavating caral,
501
00:29:17,664 --> 00:29:19,590
Archaeologists
discovered a geoglyph
502
00:29:19,741 --> 00:29:22,092
That they believe
dates to the same period
503
00:29:22,169 --> 00:29:24,836
As the ancient city itself,
504
00:29:24,989 --> 00:29:27,431
Which would make it,
by far, the oldest geoglyph
505
00:29:27,508 --> 00:29:30,083
Ever found in peru.
506
00:29:30,102 --> 00:29:33,270
Its shape is nearly
impossible to discern
507
00:29:33,347 --> 00:29:36,331
From the ground, but
when viewed from the sky,
508
00:29:36,333 --> 00:29:39,943
The profile of a face
is clearly recognizable.
509
00:29:41,688 --> 00:29:44,931
The geoglyph face is
constructed of stones
510
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:47,284
Laid out to create
the figure itself.
511
00:29:48,362 --> 00:29:51,179
It has its mouth open.
512
00:29:51,181 --> 00:29:53,457
It's looking towards
one direction,
513
00:29:53,608 --> 00:29:57,019
And also it has what
looks like kind of wavy hair,
514
00:29:57,037 --> 00:29:59,129
Although this could actually be
515
00:29:59,206 --> 00:30:01,799
Blood spurting out of its head.
516
00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:04,709
The caral geoglyph
is the oldest known
517
00:30:04,862 --> 00:30:07,029
In peru or bolivia.
518
00:30:07,047 --> 00:30:11,141
It's at least 2,000 years
older than nazca, maybe more.
519
00:30:12,052 --> 00:30:15,646
And so it does suggest
this was the forerunner
520
00:30:15,797 --> 00:30:19,041
To all the nazca geoglyphs,
and this maybe even influenced
521
00:30:19,059 --> 00:30:21,393
The nazca civilization.
522
00:30:21,545 --> 00:30:23,895
So all of this, again,
523
00:30:24,048 --> 00:30:27,658
Seems to suggest a commonality.
524
00:30:27,809 --> 00:30:31,978
What I might call a super
complex of civilization,
525
00:30:31,997 --> 00:30:35,666
So not just one
civilization in isolation
526
00:30:35,742 --> 00:30:39,061
But a number of
related civilizations
527
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:41,730
That cover a very
long period in time
528
00:30:41,748 --> 00:30:45,843
And go back to a very
remote period ultimately.
529
00:30:46,846 --> 00:30:49,738
Yeah, you have to wonder
about the geoglyph at caral
530
00:30:49,756 --> 00:30:54,242
Because the geoglyphs at nazca
are obviously meant to be seen
531
00:30:54,261 --> 00:30:56,669
- From the air by the gods.
- Right. Right.
532
00:30:56,689 --> 00:31:00,265
So you would think the geoglyph
at caral has the same meaning.
533
00:31:00,417 --> 00:31:02,078
And I've seen, too,
where viracocha
534
00:31:02,102 --> 00:31:04,344
Supposedly told the nazca
people to make those lines.
535
00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:06,196
That's one of the legends.
536
00:31:06,348 --> 00:31:10,200
I also think maybe this
is a type of calling card,
537
00:31:10,277 --> 00:31:12,444
And there are other
geoglyphs around the world
538
00:31:12,596 --> 00:31:15,855
That correspond with each other
because you have these lines,
539
00:31:15,875 --> 00:31:18,767
These figures, these,
you know, things wanting
540
00:31:18,785 --> 00:31:22,771
To communicate with
the celestial realm,
541
00:31:22,773 --> 00:31:25,883
And you have to
wonder why because
542
00:31:26,034 --> 00:31:29,052
- Coincidence no longer holds water.
- Right.
543
00:31:31,724 --> 00:31:35,283
Narrator: When the nazca lines
were first discovered in 1927,
544
00:31:35,302 --> 00:31:38,729
They were considered
a unique phenomenon.
545
00:31:39,806 --> 00:31:43,291
But in recent years, with the
benefit of satellite imagery,
546
00:31:43,293 --> 00:31:45,402
Thousands of ancient geoglyphs
547
00:31:45,479 --> 00:31:48,296
Are being found not
just in south america
548
00:31:48,315 --> 00:31:50,132
But all over the world.
549
00:31:50,150 --> 00:31:53,635
In asia, the middle east,
550
00:31:53,637 --> 00:31:57,563
Africa, north america,
551
00:31:57,583 --> 00:32:00,142
And even europe.
552
00:32:00,144 --> 00:32:04,588
The fact of the matter is that
we have geoglyphs worldwide.
553
00:32:04,739 --> 00:32:08,333
And so you have to wonder why.
554
00:32:08,485 --> 00:32:11,244
The idea in the
ancient astronaut theory
555
00:32:11,263 --> 00:32:12,930
Is fairly simple
556
00:32:13,006 --> 00:32:15,933
And that is that our ancestors,
557
00:32:16,009 --> 00:32:19,269
Regardless of ancient cultures,
558
00:32:19,421 --> 00:32:22,773
They were visited
by the same teachers.
559
00:32:25,002 --> 00:32:27,593
There's another famous
glyph, uh, farther south
560
00:32:27,613 --> 00:32:31,281
From nazca in northern
chile called the atacama giant.
561
00:32:31,433 --> 00:32:35,510
- Tsoukalos: Right.
- Childress: And it's actually the largest of all the geoglyphs
562
00:32:35,529 --> 00:32:37,770
In south america,
and he too seems
563
00:32:37,790 --> 00:32:41,124
To be holding a staff, and
has an animal with him.
564
00:32:41,201 --> 00:32:44,703
- Yeah. He's like this, kind of.
- Yeah, like that.
565
00:32:44,855 --> 00:32:47,591
- Henry: Yeah. - Childress: Uh-huh.
- Tsoukalos: Right.
566
00:32:47,615 --> 00:32:55,615
Childress: Perhaps he's also
a... A depiction of viracocha.
567
00:32:57,384 --> 00:33:00,035
To me, the most important
thing about all of this is that
568
00:33:00,037 --> 00:33:02,628
The structures at
caral correspond
569
00:33:02,648 --> 00:33:06,541
- With the constellation of the pleiades.
- Henry: That's right.
570
00:33:06,543 --> 00:33:07,800
-And so whenever I see stuff like that, it's
like, you know, -okay. That's interesting. Yeah.
571
00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:10,153
All right, obviously,
572
00:33:10,305 --> 00:33:11,949
Our ancestors were
able to observe the stars.
573
00:33:11,973 --> 00:33:15,050
Nobody's ever questioned
that or debated that.
574
00:33:15,068 --> 00:33:19,312
The power of observation
was huge and important,
575
00:33:19,331 --> 00:33:22,390
- But why pick the pleiades?
- Henry: That's right.
576
00:33:22,409 --> 00:33:25,243
They call it "heaven's mirror,"
is a term; using the expression
577
00:33:25,395 --> 00:33:27,515
"as above, so below,"
they're trying to create
578
00:33:27,655 --> 00:33:29,798
A physical connection
to these places.
579
00:33:31,418 --> 00:33:33,343
Narrator: The
excavation of caral
580
00:33:33,495 --> 00:33:37,572
Over the past two and a
half decades has produced
581
00:33:37,591 --> 00:33:39,683
A number of
archaeological marvels.
582
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,427
But for ancient
astronaut theorists,
583
00:33:42,579 --> 00:33:44,079
One of the most significant,
584
00:33:44,097 --> 00:33:46,931
In terms of possibly
explaining its origins,
585
00:33:47,084 --> 00:33:50,527
Is its curious and
seemingly deliberate design.
586
00:33:50,678 --> 00:33:54,422
Collins: What has been
noticed about the layout
587
00:33:54,441 --> 00:33:58,368
Of the different structures
and buildings at caral,
588
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,206
Is that they seem to reflect
the astronomical positions
589
00:34:03,358 --> 00:34:07,210
Of the star cluster
known as the pleiades.
590
00:34:07,362 --> 00:34:11,273
And this seems to be
almost beyond coincidence.
591
00:34:12,125 --> 00:34:15,368
Newman: It's almost
like a star mirror.
592
00:34:15,387 --> 00:34:19,038
We have the pleiades in the
sky, and it mirrors on earth.
593
00:34:19,058 --> 00:34:20,448
It looks just like caral.
594
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:25,062
The main pyramid would
be the central star alcyone,
595
00:34:25,138 --> 00:34:27,789
And all the other
structures in the complex
596
00:34:27,808 --> 00:34:30,216
Match all the other
stars in the pleiades.
597
00:34:30,235 --> 00:34:33,628
So there's-there's a real kind
of theory that's come forward
598
00:34:33,647 --> 00:34:37,532
That they were trying to
map the stars onto the earth.
599
00:34:39,653 --> 00:34:41,986
Narrator: For ancient
astronaut theorists,
600
00:34:42,139 --> 00:34:45,248
The layout of caral is
made even more significant
601
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,159
Due to the fact
that the pleiades
602
00:34:48,312 --> 00:34:50,736
Was also of central
importance to the inca,
603
00:34:50,756 --> 00:34:55,650
Who would emerge in peru
more than 3,000 years later.
604
00:34:56,670 --> 00:34:59,930
Foerster: The inca had a very
strong connection with the pleiades.
605
00:35:00,081 --> 00:35:03,825
At their ceremonial center
called the coricancha in cusco,
606
00:35:03,844 --> 00:35:06,344
The rising of the
pleiades corresponded
607
00:35:06,496 --> 00:35:09,831
With the planting of crops
in September of each year.
608
00:35:09,850 --> 00:35:13,443
Newman: There's
even a real inca tradition
609
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,613
Of the ancestors
coming from the pleiades.
610
00:35:16,764 --> 00:35:19,674
So we have to question: Did
they actually come from pleiades?
611
00:35:19,693 --> 00:35:23,436
But it does suggest, especially
along with the viracocha figure
612
00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:25,271
That was found there,
613
00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:27,532
That much of the inca tradition,
614
00:35:27,684 --> 00:35:30,276
The technology
and sophistication
615
00:35:30,295 --> 00:35:33,688
May have come from
the caral-supe civilization.
616
00:35:34,708 --> 00:35:39,861
Narrator: Could caral really have
been designed to mirror the pleiades?
617
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,140
Curiously, it is only
the latest in a long line
618
00:35:43,216 --> 00:35:45,533
Of ancient sites
that have been found
619
00:35:45,552 --> 00:35:47,144
To mirror the star cluster,
620
00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:50,647
Such as the winterbourne
stoke barrow in England,
621
00:35:50,724 --> 00:35:54,818
The nuragic structures
on the island of sardinia,
622
00:35:54,969 --> 00:35:57,320
And chaco canyon in new mexico
623
00:35:57,472 --> 00:35:59,489
To name just a few.
624
00:36:01,067 --> 00:36:04,719
Henry: The seven pyramids
of tikal are an example.
625
00:36:04,721 --> 00:36:08,147
The pyramids of abusir in
egypt is another example.
626
00:36:08,983 --> 00:36:11,651
The tomb complex of
the hongwu emperor,
627
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:13,895
The founder of the ming dynasty,
628
00:36:13,914 --> 00:36:16,339
It mirrors the pattern
of the pleiades.
629
00:36:16,491 --> 00:36:19,401
It's almost as if these ancient
cultures are signaling to us
630
00:36:19,419 --> 00:36:22,420
Or leaving a trail for
us to follow that says,
631
00:36:22,572 --> 00:36:24,739
"this is where our
gods came from."
632
00:36:24,758 --> 00:36:27,909
Or, "this is where humans
came from, or the place
633
00:36:27,928 --> 00:36:32,263
That we're in fact trying to
ultimately travel or return to."
634
00:36:32,416 --> 00:36:34,766
The hawaiians say
their royal ancestors
635
00:36:34,918 --> 00:36:36,509
Came from the pleiades.
636
00:36:36,528 --> 00:36:39,587
The cherokee in east
tennessee say the same thing.
637
00:36:39,606 --> 00:36:42,090
So divergent cultures are
saying exactly the same thing,
638
00:36:42,108 --> 00:36:44,092
And there's always the message,
639
00:36:44,110 --> 00:36:47,370
"we were visited by beings
who came from this star system."
640
00:36:47,447 --> 00:36:49,355
You have to wonder why.
641
00:36:49,374 --> 00:36:51,599
In this case, the
pleiades, to me
642
00:36:51,618 --> 00:36:55,787
Suggests that someone wanted
to leave behind a message showing
643
00:36:55,939 --> 00:36:57,939
- Where they came from.
- Exactly.
644
00:36:57,958 --> 00:37:00,032
Tsoukalos: I think this
is fascinating because
645
00:37:00,052 --> 00:37:01,776
It's basically a calling card.
646
00:37:01,795 --> 00:37:03,611
We're gonna go all
around the planet.
647
00:37:03,630 --> 00:37:04,870
We're gonna build
similar structures.
648
00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:06,890
You're gonna see
our calling card,
649
00:37:06,967 --> 00:37:08,783
And it always wants you
to remember the pleiades.
650
00:37:08,802 --> 00:37:10,227
I completely agree with you,
651
00:37:10,303 --> 00:37:13,230
And, you know, the fact...
look, if there was only
652
00:37:13,381 --> 00:37:16,124
-Caral worldwide that
had this thing, -right.
653
00:37:16,142 --> 00:37:19,069
Then fine, there's no argument.
654
00:37:19,145 --> 00:37:21,738
But the fact that there
are dozens of examples
655
00:37:21,815 --> 00:37:23,740
Like that in ancient times,
656
00:37:23,891 --> 00:37:25,492
That is the point.
657
00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:36,144
You know, this whole
excavation of caral has put
658
00:37:36,162 --> 00:37:38,146
The entire region
into a new light,
659
00:37:38,164 --> 00:37:39,923
And if you think about it,
660
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,259
This excavation
has only just begun,
661
00:37:42,335 --> 00:37:44,295
So who knows what
we'll discover in the future
662
00:37:44,337 --> 00:37:45,762
And what other keys we'll find.
663
00:37:45,913 --> 00:37:49,081
Childress: So are there
amazing discoveries
664
00:37:49,101 --> 00:37:52,160
Still to be found in south
america? There may well be.
665
00:37:52,162 --> 00:37:55,272
I absolutely think so because
666
00:37:55,348 --> 00:37:59,943
There are vast swathes
of areas in south america
667
00:38:00,020 --> 00:38:02,504
Where, you know, who knows
668
00:38:02,522 --> 00:38:05,507
What we'll find in the future
because there's nobody there.
669
00:38:06,285 --> 00:38:09,694
Narrator: In 2019,
archaeologists uncovered
670
00:38:09,846 --> 00:38:12,956
An ancient settlement
in the country of bolivia,
671
00:38:13,033 --> 00:38:15,625
Just south of peru,
that dates back
672
00:38:15,702 --> 00:38:18,962
An astonishing 10,600 years.
673
00:38:19,856 --> 00:38:21,873
While excavation
has not revealed
674
00:38:22,025 --> 00:38:24,301
A sophisticated city like caral,
675
00:38:24,377 --> 00:38:26,861
Experts believe
that it is just one
676
00:38:26,863 --> 00:38:29,030
Of many ancient sites still left
677
00:38:29,049 --> 00:38:31,549
To be uncovered
in south america.
678
00:38:31,701 --> 00:38:35,127
And that it may only
be a matter of time
679
00:38:35,147 --> 00:38:38,815
Before we are forced to
rewrite history once again.
680
00:39:16,429 --> 00:39:18,521
One has to wonder if one day
681
00:39:18,598 --> 00:39:21,024
Archaeology will agree with us.
682
00:39:21,175 --> 00:39:25,344
And I think that this is the
direction we're actually going
683
00:39:25,364 --> 00:39:28,013
Because they've always
said, "oh, you know,
684
00:39:28,033 --> 00:39:31,426
Everything is established,
we kind of know everything."
685
00:39:31,428 --> 00:39:35,538
And the truth of the matter
is that they don't, and caral
686
00:39:35,615 --> 00:39:39,267
-Has proven this because when you
look at these pyramids -henry: Exactly.
687
00:39:39,269 --> 00:39:42,045
In different regions
of the world,
688
00:39:42,196 --> 00:39:44,288
They correspond with each other.
689
00:39:44,441 --> 00:39:47,384
But the depiction of this
staff god, one could argue,
690
00:39:47,460 --> 00:39:50,202
"oh, you know, this is
just a deity holding a staff,"
691
00:39:50,222 --> 00:39:53,038
Or whatever, but the
fact that worldwide...
692
00:39:53,058 --> 00:39:56,059
Not just in tiwanaku,
not just in caral...
693
00:39:56,136 --> 00:40:00,455
We have this motif of this
being holding two staffs.
694
00:40:00,457 --> 00:40:02,957
- Right. Right.
- That is important.
695
00:40:02,976 --> 00:40:04,792
The message is consistent
696
00:40:04,811 --> 00:40:07,962
That extraterrestrials were not
only intervening but they were
697
00:40:07,964 --> 00:40:10,222
- Helping to advance us.
- Well, gentlemen,
698
00:40:10,242 --> 00:40:12,742
This has been a
fascinating conversation,
699
00:40:12,894 --> 00:40:15,136
And you know, this is
what's so great about peru
700
00:40:15,138 --> 00:40:16,729
And that whole region because
701
00:40:16,748 --> 00:40:19,916
It continues to give us
new pieces of information.
702
00:40:20,067 --> 00:40:23,736
Look, there can be so much
more to discover, and, no doubt,
703
00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:25,813
It will shock us
704
00:40:25,832 --> 00:40:28,091
Even more than what
we found at-at caral.
705
00:40:28,242 --> 00:40:32,595
We're gonna find something
irrefutable very soon, I think.
706
00:40:32,672 --> 00:40:34,483
- It's gonna change everything.
- Tsoukalos: Right.
707
00:40:34,507 --> 00:40:37,175
And I really think that,
you know, the more
708
00:40:37,327 --> 00:40:39,827
Archaeological evidence we find
709
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:42,664
That is connected to the stars
710
00:40:42,666 --> 00:40:44,849
With a combination of stories
711
00:40:45,001 --> 00:40:47,502
Of gods that once were here,
712
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,281
It'll only be a matter
of time where even
713
00:40:51,357 --> 00:40:55,118
The most dismissive
archaeologists will have to say,
714
00:40:55,269 --> 00:41:00,531
"man. Maybe these guys sitting
at this table were right."
715
00:41:00,684 --> 00:41:01,849
Exactly.
716
00:41:01,851 --> 00:41:03,811
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