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Arms out.
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OK, this way.
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[BUZZING DOOR OPEN]
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I don't have nobody.
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I've been in the system
for 36 years, man.
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My whole life is gone.
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I can't never get it back.
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It ain't never going
to come back, man.
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I didn't rob nobody.
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We're here to try to help you.
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You know what I mean?
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We're here to try to help you.
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I'm going to tell
you the truth, man.
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[VOICE FADES OUT]
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I was young
when I went to prison.
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I cried, and wrote people,
pleading and begging for help.
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[APPLAUSE]
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In accordance with the Court
of Criminal Appeals opinion,
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this court finds you actually
innocent of these offenses.
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Today, you are a free man.
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[APPLAUSE]
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In 1997, Christopher Scott was
convicted of capital murder.
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Another man has since
confessed to that crime.
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Now Christopher
Scott's finally free.
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Scott says, when released,
priority number one
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is helping others who've
been falsely accused.
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Man, there's maybe
hundreds, maybe thousands
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or more in our situation.
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And what I aim to do
is fight for those guys
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that were wrongfully convicted.
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The Dallas
DA's office is reviewing
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another 200 cases of inmates
who could be innocent.
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Today's release brings the
total number of exonerations
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in Dallas County to 22.
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DNA evidence has cleared another
person wrongfully convicted
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of a crime in Dallas County.
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More than 30 men have
been freed or cleared
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of wrongful conviction.
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Dallas County has now cleared
32 convicts in this last decade.
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More than any other
place in the country.
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It's a growing fraternity.
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Now that these innocent men have
the attention of the nation,
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they want people to
know they are not
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the only ones
wrongfully convicted.
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[POLICE SIRENS]
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Oh, man, I can't believe this--
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this is the
neighborhood right here.
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Ain't nothing changed.
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Still the same
neighborhood, man.
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This is the house right
here on Alabama Street
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that I grew up in as a kid.
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It was nine of us inside
this house-- plus my parents.
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That's 11 people in this
little house right here.
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Even though we didn't
have much of nothing,
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my mom raised us right.
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A mother
really can't explain it.
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The hurt that you have
when one of your children
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is sentenced to life--
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to life.
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The day that they
exonerated you.
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That was the most happy
day, I think, in my life.
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My son was freed.
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And everybody knew that
he wasn't a murderer.
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Being out of prison it's
just the small things in life
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that I cherish.
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For me to
cook a chili dog the way
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I want to cook my
own chili dog--
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with relish, with shredded
cheese, good hot dog buns.
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You know what I mean?
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No hot dog bun that
when you open it up
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is going to fall apart
on you like in prison.
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I've been out almost
three years now.
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I don't want
nothing to remind me
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of how limited I was in prison.
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Oh.
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That's delicious.
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It don't get no
better than this.
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I could be holding an
innocent man's life right now
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in my hands and
don't even know it.
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You know, that's amazing.
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"You once sat in my same shoes.
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I'm an innocent man serving
a life sentence, wrongfully
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convicted of a crime
I did not commit."
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It has potential of
being a good one.
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But you need detail.
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What place they supposed to rob.
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If he's there at the time
of robbery, that's it.
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This lawyer here,
he said, "My license
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does not allow me to
chase wild geese."
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[LAUGHTER]
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All I can
say to you sir, is that
we are very, very sorry
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for what happened to you.
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I know if I just kept
fighting, the truth
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will eventually come about.
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[APPLAUSE]
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Hey man, it's not his
job to investigate.
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Bullshit!
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Well, hey man,
who's gonna do it?
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Yeah.
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This might be a good
case right here.
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Let's write this guy a letter.
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Let's give it a shot.
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Write him a letter and
say, "What about this?"
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[CHEERING]
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I don't
feel any anger--
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bitterness and anger.
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Well, I just don't have
time for that anymore.
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[APPLAUSE]
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I got
myself a dream team.
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I'm part of this special
group of brothers.
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We're each others rock.
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We're each others foundation.
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Howdy, folks.
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This is Big Tex.
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Welcome, to the
State Fair of Texas.
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Fingers on your trigger.
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Eyes on your target.
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[BELL RINGS]
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Hey, look at them go.
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Look at them go.
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[BELL RINGS]
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You know, when I got out,
Steven gave me a place to live.
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It was a two bedroom apartment--
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I mean, nice.
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And not only that--
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Steven opened up me an
account and put $20,000 just
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so I can survive.
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That's
a hell of a person.
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We looked out for him.
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Took him wherever
he needed to go.
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Got whatever he needed to do.
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Would do that again in a minute.
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Chris is a good person.
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This is
the first time I ever
been on a Ferris wheel.
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Oh, really?
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Don't look down.
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[LAUGHS]
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It's
all about the view.
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When you were where we were--
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it's all about the view.
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This right
here let's you know this
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come from an inmate in prison.
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"My name is Max Soffar.
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And I was convicted of a triple
homicide that I did not do.
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The truth is, I did not kill
anyone at the bowling alley."
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Two teenagers and one adult were
murdered in an execution style
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slaying in Northwest Houston.
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A fourth victim is in Hermann
Hospital in critical condition.
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[POLICE SIRENS]
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Police officers say, it was
one of the most cold blooded,
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triple murders they've
seen in a long time.
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A bowling alley was hit by
armed burglars who shot all four
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people in the back of the head.
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Houston police will file
capital murder charges
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against a 24-year-old
Max Alexander Soffar.
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Charged with murder
punishable by death
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is 24-year-old Max Soffar.
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How you doing, Max?
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[SIGH] Hanging in there.
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I'm Christopher Scott.
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And actually, I was kind
of like in your position.
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I did 13 years in prison
for a crime I didn't commit.
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This is my 35th year--
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on Texas death row.
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Over 500 men have died in
my little tour of duty here.
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OK.
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Take me back to the day
that all of this happened.
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I've been awake for
four days maybe--
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I can't remember-- on speed,
injecting methamphetamines.
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I stole this motorcycle.
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He pulled me over
for stealing a motorcycle.
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I said, "I know something
about this bowling alley murder
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case."
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And that's when it just blew up.
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All of them kept on
drawing maps and showing me
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these things about the case.
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They keep me in custody.
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Mold this story around me.
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"Here, sign here."
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So, I sign it.
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What made you
just come out and confess
to the crime though?
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Well, I was a drug
addict and a nut case.
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I've been in the Texas
Department of Mental Health
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for four years when they let
me out and all this happened.
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I mean, I didn't
really understand
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what was happening to me.
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But I had already read
and seen on the TV
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a lot of the
details of the case.
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But they go back
to the same thing.
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Don't nobody confess
if they didn't do it.
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You know what I say to that?
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You know what I say to that?
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If it doesn't make
sense, it doesn't add up,
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it's a lie, man.
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The DA, the homicide division,
and the trial court judge
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is supposed to be
looking for the truth.
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And this don't add up!
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They know it's a lie.
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That's why I want
something done now.
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I want an investigation
into what's happened to me.
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I don't think he
wrote that confession.
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Well he confessed anyway.
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Yeah.
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They wanted me to confess.
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And I'm going like,
no, I didn't do it.
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Right?
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A confession is a
confession, man.
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So if he made a
confession, that's it.
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Something smells
about this case.
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Something smells about
this interrogation.
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It might be hard to get
some sympathy for this guy.
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Well, let's not forget his past.
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Yeah.
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Knowing a little bit
about his past history
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could help us think about how
are we going to deal with Max.
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I first encountered Max on
my first day at work
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I first encountered Max on
my first day at work
at the child care unit at
the Austin State Hospital.
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at the child care unit at
the Austin State Hospital.
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They were trying to get Max in,
what we call, the quiet room.
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Which was basically
a concrete cell
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where they put the young
kids for discipline purposes.
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Were the kids criminals?
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No.
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The vast majority were there
because nobody wanted them.
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Nobody wanted to
take care of them.
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Nobody wanted to deal with them.
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They appeared to me to
be typical, rowdy kids.
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The biggest problem
we had with Max
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is the whoppers he would tell.
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I find it impossible
to believe he
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would hurt anybody or anything.
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I find that
impossible to believe.
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I find it very believable
that he could make up
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a story about anything.
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You name it.
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When I heard that his conviction
was based on his confession.
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I thought, "What a joke."
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Testing, testing.
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August the 6th, 1980.
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This is a continuation of the
interview with Max Alexander
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Soffar.
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It's now two minutes until 10.
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You mind going through
it one more time
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that night you went over
to the bowling alley?
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Well, it's like I said.
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They got down on
the ground and--
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Laid down on the floor?
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Yeah, well they didn't
lay down on the floor.
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They were down on their knees.
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On their knees?
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Somebody moved.
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Somebody came from the back.
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Shot four people.
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Three of them are
dead right there.
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And one of them
managed to hang on.
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I imagine he's about
scared to death.
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[SCOFFS]
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That's a gruesome-ass --
gruesome-ass crime really.
259
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Mm-hmm.
260
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You know my take on it is?
261
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Max Soffar had been up
like, three or four days
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on a methamphetamine binge.
263
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So you know this guy is tired.
264
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He would tell anything just
to get them of off his back
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or whatever the case may be.
266
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I don't like him, dude.
267
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It ain't about us liking him.
268
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He should still
get a fair shake.
269
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Yeah.
270
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I'll go for it.
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Take it real slow and
easy and just tell me
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exactly what that
sucker looked like--
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the pistol.
274
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Automatic or Revolver?
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Revolver.
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What color was it?
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Blue.
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The metal part was blue?
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Barrel butt.
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I don't know.
281
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How long it was?
282
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Four inches?
283
00:15:35,559 --> 00:15:36,226
Three inches?
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Four inches.
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Soffar's case has
the kind of thing
286
00:15:40,773 --> 00:15:42,650
you see in the false
confession cases.
287
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He's got the mental illness.
288
00:15:44,234 --> 00:15:46,946
He tends to go along
with what others say.
289
00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:50,240
But he was also
interrogated for 26 hours.
290
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Looked like a
pretty good pistol?
291
00:15:52,660 --> 00:15:54,244
Or looked like a--
292
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.357 Magnum.
293
00:15:57,331 --> 00:16:00,376
[YAWN] Might have been bigger.
294
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What might have been bigger?
295
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The pistol.
296
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Might have been-- .44?
297
00:16:06,757 --> 00:16:09,927
The average interrogation is
a half hour, or maybe an hour.
298
00:16:09,927 --> 00:16:14,014
In the false confession cases,
the average is like over 6.
299
00:16:14,014 --> 00:16:17,518
And that psychological
pressure, leads to lies.
300
00:16:17,518 --> 00:16:20,813
So how do you
evaluate a confession?
301
00:16:20,813 --> 00:16:21,480
Oh, it's hard.
302
00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:22,690
It's hard.
303
00:16:22,690 --> 00:16:24,191
See if they telling
the truth or not.
304
00:16:24,191 --> 00:16:26,235
Well, I think you've got to
look at whether the confession
305
00:16:26,235 --> 00:16:28,362
matches the physical evidence.
306
00:16:28,362 --> 00:16:31,699
And whether or not the
suspect knows details
307
00:16:31,699 --> 00:16:33,867
that only the true
perpetrator would know.
308
00:16:33,867 --> 00:16:37,371
Soffar says things like,
they shot the victims
309
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when they were on their knees.
310
00:16:38,706 --> 00:16:40,165
Yet the ballistics
and eyewitness
311
00:16:40,165 --> 00:16:42,543
show that they were
all laying down.
312
00:16:42,543 --> 00:16:46,171
He said the money was taken
from the snack bar register.
313
00:16:46,171 --> 00:16:48,549
But the evidence showed that
it was taken from the locked
314
00:16:48,549 --> 00:16:50,050
manager's office.
315
00:16:50,050 --> 00:16:51,510
Yeah.
316
00:16:51,510 --> 00:16:55,764
He said that all the victims
was lined up in a straight line.
317
00:16:55,764 --> 00:17:00,060
The eye-witness-- he said
was like a semi-circle.
318
00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:03,689
We know the difference between
a straight line and semi-circle.
319
00:17:03,689 --> 00:17:06,233
Soffar gets too
many facts wrong.
320
00:17:06,233 --> 00:17:08,027
It doesn't demonstrate
that Soffar
321
00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:10,404
knew something you
would expect somebody
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00:17:10,404 --> 00:17:13,949
who committed a crime to know.
323
00:17:13,949 --> 00:17:15,951
In the Houston
bowling alley murders,
324
00:17:15,951 --> 00:17:19,913
24-year-old man Max Soffar
reportedly signed a confession.
325
00:17:19,913 --> 00:17:23,333
Houston homicide says the
confession reveals details
326
00:17:23,333 --> 00:17:26,420
that only a
participant would know.
327
00:17:26,420 --> 00:17:27,921
Reports are being typed now.
328
00:17:27,921 --> 00:17:29,298
The officers are
getting together
329
00:17:29,298 --> 00:17:32,092
and trying to decipher
which is good,
330
00:17:32,092 --> 00:17:35,429
and which is not going to
be relevant to the case.
331
00:17:35,429 --> 00:17:38,307
When I talk to somebody and
they're giving me a confession,
332
00:17:38,307 --> 00:17:39,975
the first thing I'm
going to try to do
333
00:17:39,975 --> 00:17:42,561
is find out whether or not
they are telling me the truth,
334
00:17:42,561 --> 00:17:44,438
or they're just blowing smoke.
335
00:17:44,438 --> 00:17:45,689
How do you do that?
336
00:17:45,689 --> 00:17:48,358
Well, I asked Max when
he went up there I said,
337
00:17:48,358 --> 00:17:51,612
"Sir, did you see the
people in the bowling alley
338
00:17:51,612 --> 00:17:52,946
through the front windows?"
339
00:17:52,946 --> 00:17:53,989
There wasn't no windows.
340
00:17:53,989 --> 00:17:54,907
That's right.
341
00:17:54,907 --> 00:17:55,783
Well, what did he say?
342
00:17:55,783 --> 00:17:57,117
That's exactly right.
343
00:17:57,117 --> 00:17:59,203
And Max Soffar knew that.
344
00:17:59,203 --> 00:18:02,623
It had been publicized
on the news about what
345
00:18:02,623 --> 00:18:04,374
actually had happened.
346
00:18:04,374 --> 00:18:05,626
Everything?
347
00:18:05,626 --> 00:18:07,377
Everything, everything.
348
00:18:07,377 --> 00:18:10,923
And for Max to
maybe see it on TV,
349
00:18:10,923 --> 00:18:13,967
that should have brought
about a red flag off the top.
350
00:18:13,967 --> 00:18:18,764
We are kind of experienced in
being screwed over by cops.
351
00:18:18,764 --> 00:18:22,101
And we see the same
inconsistencies
352
00:18:22,101 --> 00:18:24,311
that's dealing with
Max Soffar case
353
00:18:24,311 --> 00:18:26,480
that we probably have
all seen in our cases.
354
00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,067
Let me tell you what,
Max Soffar told me
355
00:18:30,067 --> 00:18:32,194
he laid those people
down on the floor
356
00:18:32,194 --> 00:18:34,363
and he shot them in
the back of the head.
357
00:18:34,363 --> 00:18:37,574
The third person,
he told me, moved.
358
00:18:37,574 --> 00:18:39,785
And when he shot, he missed.
359
00:18:39,785 --> 00:18:42,412
So he had to shoot again.
360
00:18:42,412 --> 00:18:44,665
And then he shot the other boy.
361
00:18:44,665 --> 00:18:47,292
Now there were four victims.
362
00:18:47,292 --> 00:18:50,003
There's five bullet
holes in that carpet.
363
00:18:50,003 --> 00:18:51,588
Did you know about
the five bullets?
364
00:18:51,588 --> 00:18:53,006
No, I didn't know about that.
365
00:18:53,006 --> 00:18:56,176
Nobody knew about them
except the person who did it.
366
00:18:56,176 --> 00:19:00,389
The person who did it would have
known there were five shots.
367
00:19:00,389 --> 00:19:02,683
You can't overlook that.
368
00:19:02,683 --> 00:19:05,936
So you are 100% sure that
Max Soffar is guilty?
369
00:19:05,936 --> 00:19:07,646
I don't have any doubts
about that at all.
370
00:19:19,867 --> 00:19:22,578
It's kind of frustrating.
371
00:19:23,579 --> 00:19:25,581
I really don't know now.
372
00:19:25,581 --> 00:19:28,208
Maybe Max committed this crime.
373
00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:40,345
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
374
00:20:08,957 --> 00:20:11,752
Your
basketball game is trash.
375
00:20:11,752 --> 00:20:12,961
[LAUGHS]
376
00:20:12,961 --> 00:20:16,924
And you know we done played
a million times, one on one.
377
00:20:16,924 --> 00:20:18,508
I always come out on top.
378
00:20:18,508 --> 00:20:20,177
You know that's just me.
379
00:20:20,177 --> 00:20:23,847
When we first played, I was
probably 42 at the time.
380
00:20:23,847 --> 00:20:24,640
Oh, yeah.
381
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,933
You were real young.
382
00:20:25,933 --> 00:20:27,267
I'm like fine wine.
383
00:20:27,267 --> 00:20:30,437
I get better with time.
384
00:20:30,437 --> 00:20:32,105
See, you're still young.
385
00:20:32,105 --> 00:20:36,068
You're still
brewing and growing.
386
00:20:36,068 --> 00:20:39,571
When I see your
son, Tre, it really
387
00:20:39,571 --> 00:20:42,950
made my heart feel good
when he called me, "Papa".
388
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:44,785
I'm like, yeah, he's growing up.
389
00:20:44,785 --> 00:20:46,286
He's knowing who we are now.
390
00:20:46,286 --> 00:20:49,331
So once he go to
realize who we are,
391
00:20:49,331 --> 00:20:50,916
those are the most
important time
392
00:20:50,916 --> 00:20:53,085
you're supposed to be there
for him because I wanted
393
00:20:53,085 --> 00:20:55,671
him to know that I am his Papa.
394
00:20:55,671 --> 00:20:57,214
You know what I mean?
395
00:20:57,214 --> 00:21:01,802
And you should want your
son know that you his dad.
396
00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:05,472
That's why a lot
of trouble that I
397
00:21:05,472 --> 00:21:10,435
got in recently by surrounding
myself by people that I
398
00:21:10,435 --> 00:21:11,645
shouldn't have.
399
00:21:11,645 --> 00:21:16,650
I'm just trying to
rectify that situation
400
00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:19,736
by not falling into
that same cycle
401
00:21:19,736 --> 00:21:21,905
again on what I was doing.
402
00:21:21,905 --> 00:21:26,910
Lately, I try to spend as
much time as I can with my son
403
00:21:27,786 --> 00:21:31,832
because anything is possible.
404
00:21:31,832 --> 00:21:33,500
It's not even about
your life no more.
405
00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:35,168
It's about your kids life.
406
00:21:35,168 --> 00:21:38,088
Your son's life.
407
00:21:38,088 --> 00:21:39,840
Your life is his life.
408
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:40,674
You know what I mean?
409
00:21:40,674 --> 00:21:43,176
Mm-hmm.
410
00:21:43,176 --> 00:21:44,177
[POLICE SIRENS]
411
00:21:44,177 --> 00:21:47,139
[VOICES ON POLICE RADIO]
412
00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:16,710
When I got arrested, I had
my kid staying with me.
413
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:18,170
Girlfriend living with me.
414
00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:20,714
We're a family now.
415
00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:23,008
Everything was playing
right until that night.
416
00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:34,686
I was driving
over to a friend's house
417
00:22:34,686 --> 00:22:38,106
and I saw a lot of cops
driving around the neighborhood
418
00:22:38,106 --> 00:22:41,902
like they're looking
for somebody.
419
00:22:41,902 --> 00:22:45,655
As I'm turning the corner,
a cop gets behind me.
420
00:22:45,655 --> 00:22:48,533
And I'm thinking, what
the hell is going on here?
421
00:22:53,205 --> 00:22:58,210
[POLICE SIREN]
422
00:22:59,169 --> 00:23:02,422
As I'm driving up to
my friend's house,
423
00:23:02,422 --> 00:23:05,008
I see these cops following me.
424
00:23:08,553 --> 00:23:12,682
When I went
into the house the cops
just surrounded the place.
425
00:23:12,724 --> 00:23:15,185
[VOICES ON POLICE RADIO]
426
00:23:20,941 --> 00:23:23,985
The cops
told us to come out.
427
00:23:23,985 --> 00:23:27,364
And they laid us
down right here.
428
00:23:27,364 --> 00:23:29,616
And said I was --
429
00:23:29,616 --> 00:23:32,035
they came and identified me.
430
00:23:32,035 --> 00:23:35,455
And said somebody is going to
take a fall for what happened.
431
00:23:35,455 --> 00:23:38,375
To be face-down on the ground
for something you didn't know
432
00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:40,460
what you supposedly did--
433
00:23:40,460 --> 00:23:42,379
I was so close to crying.
434
00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,802
When we pulled
up to the police station
435
00:23:48,844 --> 00:23:52,973
they handcuffed me
immediately to a bench.
436
00:23:52,973 --> 00:23:57,310
They said, "Somebody is
going to come identify you."
437
00:23:57,310 --> 00:24:01,481
And I saw this lady
crying very distraught.
438
00:24:01,481 --> 00:24:05,777
When I looked up, I see
the cop pointing at me.
439
00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:08,488
"Is this the guy that
killed your husband?"
440
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:13,827
And I'm the
only one on this side
handcuffed to this bench.
441
00:24:13,827 --> 00:24:18,331
Who do you think
she's going to chose?
442
00:24:18,331 --> 00:24:22,169
In court, my judge is white.
443
00:24:22,169 --> 00:24:24,337
The prosecutor is white.
444
00:24:24,337 --> 00:24:27,257
The jury, white.
445
00:24:27,257 --> 00:24:31,136
I knew I was going
to be convicted.
446
00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:35,015
My trial lasted-- for
a capital murder case--
447
00:24:35,015 --> 00:24:37,559
one day.
448
00:24:45,734 --> 00:24:49,488
I'm over here with a guy
with two life sentences,
three life
449
00:24:49,488 --> 00:24:50,614
sentences--
450
00:24:50,614 --> 00:24:53,408
199 years.
451
00:24:53,408 --> 00:24:56,244
These are the people
that I was surrounded by.
452
00:24:56,244 --> 00:25:00,207
And I'm innocent, but I'm
around individuals like this--
453
00:25:00,207 --> 00:25:02,417
please.
454
00:25:02,417 --> 00:25:05,295
You don't know if you're going
to make it to the next day.
455
00:25:16,890 --> 00:25:22,729
This would be the box
of stuff that
kept the hope alive.
456
00:25:22,812 --> 00:25:25,148
Hope is a very big
deal in prison.
457
00:25:25,148 --> 00:25:29,319
It's almost like a commodity.
458
00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:31,530
This is where it kind of began.
459
00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:35,075
Check this photograph out, dude.
460
00:25:35,075 --> 00:25:37,661
"Why can't Steven
Phillips get a DNA test?
461
00:25:37,661 --> 00:25:40,413
For that matter, why can't
any incarcerated man or woman
462
00:25:40,413 --> 00:25:42,999
with a good reason get one?"
463
00:25:42,999 --> 00:25:47,629
In my case, the state withheld
evidence of another suspect.
464
00:25:47,629 --> 00:25:50,757
And this guy, his name
is Sidney Alvin Goodyear.
465
00:25:50,757 --> 00:25:52,926
They withheld the fact
that he was identified
466
00:25:52,926 --> 00:25:54,719
by some witnesses
in this crime spree
467
00:25:54,719 --> 00:25:56,721
that I went to prison for.
468
00:25:56,721 --> 00:25:58,515
Dallas cops let that guy go.
469
00:25:58,515 --> 00:26:01,643
Dallas prosecutors
let that guy go.
470
00:26:01,643 --> 00:26:04,062
And he went on to
commit more crimes.
471
00:26:04,062 --> 00:26:06,565
That should be a
crime in itself.
472
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:14,781
Texas law states I get
$80,000 bucks a year
473
00:26:14,781 --> 00:26:18,577
for every year
that I was wrongly convicted.
474
00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:20,870
I wanted to do something with
the money besides just go
475
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:23,415
to Las Vegas and screw it off.
476
00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:25,125
I did go to Las Vegas.
477
00:26:25,125 --> 00:26:27,335
Didn't lose that much.
478
00:26:27,335 --> 00:26:32,132
But I bought these houses with
that in mind to do some good.
479
00:26:32,132 --> 00:26:35,760
Putting guys in here who are
part of a 12 step program,
480
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,639
and down on their luck
program, and trying
481
00:26:39,639 --> 00:26:42,642
to do better program--
482
00:26:42,642 --> 00:26:45,478
like me.
483
00:26:45,478 --> 00:26:51,484
12 steps, addictions and stuff,
you know I can relate to that.
484
00:27:01,369 --> 00:27:05,582
When I first got out, I was
self-medicating whatever pain
485
00:27:05,582 --> 00:27:05,624
When I first got out, I was
self-medicating whatever pain
from prison.
486
00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:07,834
from prison.
487
00:27:07,834 --> 00:27:11,796
Somebody had some
coke, and I did it.
488
00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:13,757
I did some more.
489
00:27:13,757 --> 00:27:15,634
I bought some.
490
00:27:17,344 --> 00:27:19,763
And then about
the time I got a million bucks,
491
00:27:23,183 --> 00:27:24,976
I started doing
coke every day, man.
492
00:27:27,187 --> 00:27:29,564
I did a 30 day rehab.
493
00:27:29,564 --> 00:27:29,648
I did a 30 day rehab.
The drugs ran off about
15 days into that.
494
00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:32,609
The drugs ran off about
15 days into that.
495
00:27:32,609 --> 00:27:35,236
All my feelings started
pouring back in.
496
00:27:35,236 --> 00:27:37,155
And I was a mess, man.
497
00:28:04,224 --> 00:28:06,685
As I go through
these letters, I have
498
00:28:06,726 --> 00:28:09,604
to see my case
inside of their case.
499
00:28:09,604 --> 00:28:12,148
If I feel his
sorrow and his pain,
500
00:28:12,148 --> 00:28:15,318
that will be the letter
that I chose to work on.
501
00:28:15,318 --> 00:28:19,406
"Sir, I am writing you on
behalf of Isaiah N. Hill, who
502
00:28:19,406 --> 00:28:22,784
has been wrongfully imprisoned
for 36 years on a charge
503
00:28:22,784 --> 00:28:24,661
of aggravated robbery.
504
00:28:24,661 --> 00:28:27,539
The district attorney
offered Mr. Hill
505
00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:29,708
a plea bargain of 10 years.
506
00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:34,504
And he said to Mr. Hill,
'Boy--' I mean boy--
507
00:28:34,504 --> 00:28:36,506
'you don't know where you are.
508
00:28:36,506 --> 00:28:38,967
If you don't take
this plea bargain,
509
00:28:38,967 --> 00:28:41,928
I'm going to make an
example out of you.'
510
00:28:41,928 --> 00:28:46,933
I believe if you will just
take the time to interview him,
511
00:28:46,933 --> 00:28:49,936
you will see what
I am talking about.
512
00:28:49,936 --> 00:28:52,397
Please, help this man."
513
00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:04,784
Tell me something.
514
00:29:04,784 --> 00:29:06,619
What was you doing
before you went to jail?
515
00:29:06,619 --> 00:29:10,123
What kind of life you was living
before you went to prison?
516
00:29:10,123 --> 00:29:11,374
I grew up.
517
00:29:11,374 --> 00:29:14,127
My mama come off the
Indian Reservation.
518
00:29:14,127 --> 00:29:15,462
My daddy was black.
519
00:29:15,462 --> 00:29:17,589
I'm what you call
a half-breed baby.
520
00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:19,466
My mama had me drawing
disability checks
521
00:29:19,466 --> 00:29:22,010
because they classified
me as mentally unstable.
522
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:25,305
So they say you was
mentally disabled?
523
00:29:25,305 --> 00:29:26,806
Yes, sir.
524
00:29:26,806 --> 00:29:30,018
So why your lawyer didn't
bring it up in trial?
525
00:29:30,018 --> 00:29:32,604
He didn't bring it up.
526
00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:37,609
What I need you to do for me
is take me through that day
527
00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:38,860
that you was arrested.
528
00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:39,652
OK.
529
00:29:39,652 --> 00:29:41,154
From start to finish.
530
00:29:41,154 --> 00:29:45,867
I went to Brownwood, Texas with
this lady, her name was Diane,
531
00:29:45,867 --> 00:29:48,578
and her boyfriend's
name was Don Wallace.
532
00:29:48,578 --> 00:29:50,705
So when we got
there, Don Wallace
533
00:29:50,705 --> 00:29:52,415
went into to rent this motel.
534
00:29:52,415 --> 00:29:55,877
He said, "Man, I just
cashed a hundred dollar bill
535
00:29:55,877 --> 00:29:57,337
from the man up in the lobby.
536
00:29:57,337 --> 00:29:59,214
And this man had a
bank bag of money."
537
00:29:59,214 --> 00:30:01,090
He said, "I'm going to
go back and get that."
538
00:30:01,090 --> 00:30:03,259
I said, "I don't want nothing
to do with that, man."
539
00:30:03,259 --> 00:30:05,595
But anyway, Don Wallace
had robbed this man.
540
00:30:05,595 --> 00:30:09,474
And so the police came to the
motel and knocked on the door.
541
00:30:09,474 --> 00:30:13,269
Diane, she told the police, "Don
Wallace, that's my boyfriend.
542
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:17,106
He was with me in
the motel all night.
543
00:30:17,106 --> 00:30:19,442
So it had to be this guy."
544
00:30:19,442 --> 00:30:21,152
And so when they
locked me up, the DA
545
00:30:21,152 --> 00:30:22,612
said, "Let me tell
you something.
546
00:30:22,612 --> 00:30:24,864
You a nigger-- and this
a white folks town--
547
00:30:24,864 --> 00:30:26,157
and you're in the wrong town."
548
00:30:26,157 --> 00:30:27,659
And I said, "I ain't
rob nobody, man.
549
00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:29,369
Why do you keep on saying
I robbed somebody, man.
550
00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:30,537
I didn't rob nobody.
551
00:30:30,537 --> 00:30:31,788
You ain't got nothing
off of me, man."
552
00:30:31,788 --> 00:30:33,832
He said, "Well, if you
don't take this 10,
553
00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:36,042
I'm going to make an example
out of you as a nigger."
554
00:30:36,042 --> 00:30:37,544
And that's what
they did too, sir.
555
00:30:37,544 --> 00:30:38,795
They gave me life, man.
556
00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:39,587
[SNIFFLES]
557
00:30:39,587 --> 00:30:41,923
They gave me life.
558
00:30:41,923 --> 00:30:43,466
I even got raped.
559
00:30:43,466 --> 00:30:45,593
I even got beat up.
560
00:30:45,593 --> 00:30:50,139
My own race of people, man,
raped me man, they beat me up.
561
00:30:50,139 --> 00:30:52,517
[CRYING]
562
00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:54,394
Calm down, Mr. Hill.
563
00:30:54,394 --> 00:30:56,437
It'll be OK.
564
00:30:56,437 --> 00:30:59,274
We're here to try to help you.
565
00:30:59,274 --> 00:31:00,108
I was told that.
566
00:31:00,108 --> 00:31:01,985
Anything is possible.
567
00:31:01,985 --> 00:31:04,404
We need somebody to come
forward and say they actually
568
00:31:04,404 --> 00:31:06,364
committed this robbery.
569
00:31:06,364 --> 00:31:08,116
I don't know how
to find them, man.
570
00:31:08,116 --> 00:31:09,284
I'm lost, man.
571
00:31:09,284 --> 00:31:10,743
No, that's my job.
572
00:31:10,743 --> 00:31:13,246
Tell me the guys
name that was robbed.
573
00:31:13,246 --> 00:31:15,415
Do you know his name?
574
00:31:15,415 --> 00:31:17,584
His name was Tammy Blanton.
575
00:31:17,584 --> 00:31:18,751
Tammy.
576
00:31:18,751 --> 00:31:20,044
The guy's name was Tammy?
577
00:31:20,044 --> 00:31:23,381
Yeah, he was about 6'7.
578
00:31:23,381 --> 00:31:24,340
He was real tall.
579
00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:25,675
The guy's name was Tammy?
580
00:31:25,675 --> 00:31:26,384
Tammy.
581
00:31:26,384 --> 00:31:27,176
Wow.
582
00:31:27,176 --> 00:31:29,012
What mama named him?
583
00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:31,723
OK, give me the name of
the guy that was supposed
584
00:31:31,723 --> 00:31:32,765
to committed the robbery.
585
00:31:32,765 --> 00:31:33,516
What was his name?
586
00:31:33,516 --> 00:31:34,183
Don Wallace?
587
00:31:34,183 --> 00:31:34,726
Don Wallace.
588
00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:36,269
OK.
589
00:31:36,269 --> 00:31:39,606
If you can remember anything
else dealing with your case,
590
00:31:39,606 --> 00:31:42,275
have somebody write it down
for you and send it to me.
591
00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:45,987
Because all the information
that I can get on you is a plus.
592
00:31:45,987 --> 00:31:46,779
Yes, sir.
593
00:31:46,779 --> 00:31:47,906
God bless you then.
594
00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:48,740
Thank y'all, man.
595
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:49,574
God bless you too.
596
00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:50,533
Man, please, man.
597
00:31:50,533 --> 00:31:51,451
Get me out of prison, man.
598
00:31:51,451 --> 00:31:53,620
I'm going to try.
599
00:32:00,793 --> 00:32:06,132
At 3:00 AM
at Brownwood, Texas, a
Holiday Inn was robbed.
600
00:32:09,427 --> 00:32:14,474
An 18-year-old clerk named
Tammy Blanton was held up
601
00:32:14,515 --> 00:32:18,019
at knifepoint for $200.
602
00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:21,814
The witness, Blanton, said
that after taking money
603
00:32:21,814 --> 00:32:25,944
from the cash register, the
robber ran off into the hotel.
604
00:32:28,988 --> 00:32:32,450
The state did
not produce Don Wallace
605
00:32:32,492 --> 00:32:35,161
during the proceedings
of the trial.
606
00:32:37,330 --> 00:32:42,502
Do you think
Isaiah Hill got a fair trial?
607
00:32:42,502 --> 00:32:45,004
That has really bothered me--
608
00:32:45,004 --> 00:32:48,091
that entire trial, and
the punishment phase,
609
00:32:48,091 --> 00:32:49,842
and everything about it.
610
00:32:49,842 --> 00:32:52,512
The evidence was very confusing.
611
00:32:52,512 --> 00:32:55,682
The Brownwood Police
Department didn't do a lineup.
612
00:32:55,682 --> 00:32:57,809
You would think too, that
they would get back there
613
00:32:57,809 --> 00:33:00,436
and they would fingerprint
that cash register
614
00:33:00,436 --> 00:33:02,355
to prove that it was Isaiah.
615
00:33:02,355 --> 00:33:03,940
Well they didn't do that.
616
00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:06,109
I don't think they did
fingerprints on anything.
617
00:33:06,109 --> 00:33:08,861
So it put all the
burden of proof
618
00:33:08,861 --> 00:33:11,072
on whether or not
that eyewitness
619
00:33:11,072 --> 00:33:15,076
was absolutely, positively
sure that Isaiah did it.
620
00:33:15,076 --> 00:33:17,662
That's why I took so
long to deliberate.
621
00:33:17,662 --> 00:33:19,414
When we first got
in the jury room,
622
00:33:19,414 --> 00:33:21,290
I held out, and
held out about it.
623
00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:24,585
But I felt pressure.
624
00:33:26,170 --> 00:33:28,631
Eventually,
you said, "Guilty."
625
00:33:28,631 --> 00:33:32,635
If you know what you know
now, would that verdict
626
00:33:32,635 --> 00:33:34,220
still be guilty?
627
00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:36,556
I learned a lot
throughout the years,
628
00:33:36,556 --> 00:33:40,727
and so I wouldn't do
the same thing today
629
00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:42,520
that I would have
probably done then.
630
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,231
I think my decision
would have been tougher.
631
00:33:45,231 --> 00:33:47,316
Well then, could I
ask you a question?
632
00:33:47,316 --> 00:33:52,321
What confuses me is that after
the robbery had took place--
633
00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:56,367
and if I understand
correctly-- that police officer
634
00:33:56,367 --> 00:33:58,786
went up to one of the rooms.
635
00:33:58,786 --> 00:34:02,665
And it was Mr.
Hill, Don Wallace--
636
00:34:02,665 --> 00:34:04,083
And Diane Clemons
637
00:34:04,083 --> 00:34:06,419
Yeah, Diane Clemons.
638
00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:08,588
They didn't really
bring up the fact
639
00:34:08,588 --> 00:34:10,548
that Wallace had a
girlfriend there.
640
00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:11,966
And it could have
easily been him.
641
00:34:11,966 --> 00:34:14,886
And hey, these two people
could have been setting him up.
642
00:34:14,886 --> 00:34:17,388
Maybe they found
a purpose for him
643
00:34:17,388 --> 00:34:19,807
riding to Brownwood with them.
644
00:34:19,807 --> 00:34:20,683
That was troublesome.
645
00:34:20,683 --> 00:34:22,602
Mm-hmm.
646
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:31,652
Now, I just think
that Isaiah Hill got set up.
647
00:34:31,694 --> 00:34:35,615
That was the easy way to escape
that crime was, hey, I'm going
648
00:34:35,615 --> 00:34:37,492
to put it off on Isaiah Hill.
649
00:34:37,492 --> 00:34:41,913
And as they were arresting him,
Don Wallace flying like a bird
650
00:34:41,913 --> 00:34:45,083
it night, with the money.
651
00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:48,461
It's a scot-free getaway.
652
00:34:48,461 --> 00:34:50,338
We're going to
look at Don Wallace
653
00:34:50,338 --> 00:34:52,006
and see if he's still alive.
654
00:35:01,808 --> 00:35:03,559
I'm looking for
this guy right here.
655
00:35:03,601 --> 00:35:07,647
His name is Don Wallace, but
his alias name is 'Papa Dog'.
656
00:35:07,647 --> 00:35:10,775
He was part of a crime
that was committed.
657
00:35:10,775 --> 00:35:13,402
And there's a guy
sitting in prison
658
00:35:13,402 --> 00:35:15,321
because of something he did.
659
00:35:15,321 --> 00:35:17,490
We ain't telling you to do
no snitching or whatever.
660
00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:19,492
We're just trying to get
an innocent brother out
661
00:35:19,492 --> 00:35:22,161
of prison, that's it.
662
00:35:22,161 --> 00:35:24,122
A lot of guys hang
out in this area.
663
00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:26,707
You may know of him
and may see him also,
664
00:35:26,707 --> 00:35:30,211
because our people
don't like moving.
665
00:35:30,211 --> 00:35:32,046
Is there any information
you can give me
666
00:35:32,046 --> 00:35:33,673
that would lead
me to Don Wallace?
667
00:35:33,673 --> 00:35:36,801
Well, he was a
friend of my mom's.
668
00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:40,012
He was a drug addict
and dope fiend.
669
00:35:40,012 --> 00:35:42,807
Don was-- he probably pulled
that robbery because Don--
670
00:35:42,807 --> 00:35:45,393
he did a lot of stuff
back in the day.
671
00:35:45,393 --> 00:35:46,144
Take it easy.
672
00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:47,520
All right.
673
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,523
Guy's been locked up for
30 years behind a crime
674
00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:52,316
that this guy committed.
675
00:35:52,316 --> 00:35:55,153
I appreciate you being
concerned and asking about it.
676
00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:56,320
Thank you.
677
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,822
Do you have a
address or a number
678
00:35:57,822 --> 00:35:59,490
where I can reach him at?
679
00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:00,992
Don wasn't worth a shit.
680
00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:05,454
I didn't have nothing to
do with no shooting dope.
681
00:36:05,454 --> 00:36:07,957
Looking for Don
Wallace is like looking
682
00:36:07,957 --> 00:36:10,751
for a dead bird in tall grass.
683
00:36:10,751 --> 00:36:13,713
You can't see him,
but you can smell him.
684
00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:15,715
All right.
685
00:36:15,715 --> 00:36:17,550
That'll work.
686
00:36:23,764 --> 00:36:27,935
[MEDITATION BOWL SINGING]
687
00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:41,574
I got into
meditation in prison.
688
00:36:41,616 --> 00:36:45,036
A lot of times at night
after it gotten quiet,
689
00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:46,662
I would just lay
in my bed and just
690
00:36:46,662 --> 00:36:51,584
meditate for maybe 45
minutes, sometimes a hour.
691
00:36:54,545 --> 00:36:56,297
It helped.
692
00:36:56,339 --> 00:37:01,093
It helped me get
through my dilemma.
693
00:37:01,093 --> 00:37:03,429
Today, Johnnie Earl
Lindsey was convicted
694
00:37:03,429 --> 00:37:06,182
of a rape at White Rock Lake
after the victim picked him out
695
00:37:06,182 --> 00:37:08,226
of a photo lineup.
696
00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:10,895
Johnnie Lindsey was
sentenced to life in prison.
697
00:37:13,773 --> 00:37:17,401
If you
look at a place that is
so quiet and peaceful,
698
00:37:17,401 --> 00:37:22,698
how could something so nice
turn into something so ugly.
699
00:37:26,369 --> 00:37:28,454
They gave me
a Court Appointed Attorney,
700
00:37:28,454 --> 00:37:31,499
and he told me, he said,
"Man, you're going to prison."
701
00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:34,168
I said, "Man, where
is the evidence?"
702
00:37:34,168 --> 00:37:36,128
He said, "They don't need none.
703
00:37:36,128 --> 00:37:38,839
A white female says
that you assaulted her.
704
00:37:38,839 --> 00:37:42,468
That's all the
prosecutor needs."
705
00:37:42,468 --> 00:37:44,804
And I said, "Well,
man, I'm not guilty."
706
00:37:44,804 --> 00:37:49,642
He said, "Well, it doesn't
make any difference."
707
00:37:49,642 --> 00:37:53,354
I kept thinking how can
people be so heartless
708
00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:58,651
and just throw my life away just
like it was a piece of trash.
709
00:38:12,999 --> 00:38:18,671
It always
been a dream of mine
to play the piano.
710
00:38:18,713 --> 00:38:21,674
I really don't know
what I'm doing.
711
00:38:21,674 --> 00:38:24,677
But I just like making music.
712
00:38:24,677 --> 00:38:26,304
As long it's not noise.
713
00:38:32,893 --> 00:38:35,813
I was 30
when I went into prison.
714
00:38:35,855 --> 00:38:40,776
I was 56 when I was released.
715
00:38:40,776 --> 00:38:45,031
My opportunity to start
a family, to raise kids--
716
00:38:45,031 --> 00:38:46,866
I've missed that.
717
00:38:46,866 --> 00:38:48,826
And that's something that--
718
00:38:48,826 --> 00:38:51,620
I don't care how much
money they give me--
719
00:38:51,620 --> 00:38:53,205
cannot replace that.
720
00:38:53,706 --> 00:38:58,210
[TIRES SCREECHING]
721
00:39:03,716 --> 00:39:06,677
[LAUGHS]
722
00:39:10,056 --> 00:39:14,769
I just cling on to the
good things of life and
being alive.
723
00:39:16,896 --> 00:39:19,815
And to put
the icing on the cake,
724
00:39:19,857 --> 00:39:21,776
I found the woman of my dreams.
725
00:39:21,776 --> 00:39:24,487
The woman that
I've always wanted.
726
00:39:24,487 --> 00:39:27,323
And now it's about
staying in that moment.
727
00:39:27,323 --> 00:39:27,865
[LAUGHS]
728
00:39:27,865 --> 00:39:29,116
Shh.
729
00:39:29,116 --> 00:39:31,243
Shh.
730
00:39:34,205 --> 00:39:36,582
Houston police are continuing
to work on the latest
731
00:39:36,624 --> 00:39:38,542
lead in a triple
murder that occurred
732
00:39:38,542 --> 00:39:41,545
two weeks ago in a Northwest
Houston bowling center.
733
00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:43,964
Last night, investigators
return to the bowling center
734
00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:46,801
to stage a partial re-enactment
of the execution style
735
00:39:46,801 --> 00:39:48,427
slayings.
736
00:39:48,427 --> 00:39:50,930
The test was conducted
with a .357 Magnum,
737
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:53,766
the size gun thought to have
been used in the murders.
738
00:39:53,766 --> 00:39:53,808
the size gun thought to have
been used in the murders.
[GUN SHOTS]
739
00:39:53,808 --> 00:39:56,268
[GUN SHOTS]
740
00:40:01,774 --> 00:40:04,443
Max says,
there were five bullets
that were fired.
741
00:40:04,443 --> 00:40:06,028
One was a warning shot.
742
00:40:06,028 --> 00:40:09,740
Max says that everybody
lined up along this area
743
00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:12,618
in this straight line.
744
00:40:12,618 --> 00:40:15,246
I used evidence from
Houston Police Department
745
00:40:15,246 --> 00:40:17,998
as to where bullets were found.
746
00:40:17,998 --> 00:40:21,460
All of those bullets were found
right in this very small area
747
00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:22,920
here.
748
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,965
One of the victims, a
bullet went through his head
749
00:40:25,965 --> 00:40:27,341
at an angle.
750
00:40:27,341 --> 00:40:30,845
And as it came out
the front of his face,
751
00:40:30,845 --> 00:40:33,264
it went into the
carpeting and came out
752
00:40:33,264 --> 00:40:34,640
and hit him in the chest.
753
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,475
Some of the
investigators thought
754
00:40:36,475 --> 00:40:38,310
that there were five bullets.
755
00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:40,980
Two holes-- one here, one here.
756
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:42,815
They were both from
the same bullet.
757
00:40:42,815 --> 00:40:44,191
It was four bullets.
758
00:40:44,191 --> 00:40:45,484
There's no question.
759
00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:47,361
That's crazy, man.
760
00:40:47,361 --> 00:40:52,366
The cop was totally saying,
"It was five bullets."
761
00:40:53,576 --> 00:40:54,994
And that's basically
all they had to go on.
762
00:40:54,994 --> 00:40:57,455
If you go back to
the beginning, you
763
00:40:57,455 --> 00:41:00,374
will find Max
being interrogated.
764
00:41:00,374 --> 00:41:03,502
And they're telling him
what they think happened,
765
00:41:03,502 --> 00:41:05,838
and he ends up
agreeing with them.
766
00:41:05,838 --> 00:41:09,216
And then they put it in
writing, and Max signed it.
767
00:41:09,216 --> 00:41:12,470
Max went along with what
the police theory was.
768
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,305
Max was wrong.
769
00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:22,605
When the bowling
alley murders occurred
770
00:41:22,646 --> 00:41:24,690
I heard about them like
everybody else in Houston
771
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:25,483
heard about them.
772
00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:27,026
It was a horrific crime.
773
00:41:27,026 --> 00:41:29,570
I mean, I'd say I'd
pay money to prosecute
774
00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:30,738
somebody that did that.
775
00:41:30,738 --> 00:41:33,407
So if we can find
something that excludes
776
00:41:33,407 --> 00:41:36,827
Max Soffar from this case,
how would you feel about that?
777
00:41:36,827 --> 00:41:39,580
Everything has been
heard by 12 people.
778
00:41:39,580 --> 00:41:41,957
The Jury's heard
all of this stuff.
779
00:41:41,957 --> 00:41:46,170
Could you have convicted Max
Soffar without a confession?
780
00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:48,506
Could I have convicted Max
Soffar without a confession?
781
00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:49,673
Yeah.
782
00:41:49,673 --> 00:41:50,758
No.
783
00:41:50,758 --> 00:41:52,134
OK, then.
784
00:41:52,134 --> 00:41:57,806
So Max Soffar-- inconsistencies
in this confession--
785
00:41:57,848 --> 00:41:59,058
you said that's not enough.
786
00:41:59,058 --> 00:42:00,351
Yeah.
787
00:42:00,351 --> 00:42:03,395
Max Soffar would not
be where he is today--
788
00:42:03,395 --> 00:42:04,522
If it weren't for you.
789
00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:07,691
- -no, if it wasn't for him.
790
00:42:07,691 --> 00:42:11,362
Before Max's trial,
I was not a believer.
791
00:42:11,362 --> 00:42:14,949
But then I came to know Jesus
Christ, as my Lord and Savior.
792
00:42:14,949 --> 00:42:16,951
What did this have to do
with Max Soffar's case?
793
00:42:16,951 --> 00:42:17,785
What did it have to
do with Max Soffar?
794
00:42:17,785 --> 00:42:19,453
What does it have to do?
795
00:42:19,453 --> 00:42:21,747
I'm going to tell you, if
you'll just give me a moment.
796
00:42:21,747 --> 00:42:24,667
So when I got this case,
I turned this case over
797
00:42:24,667 --> 00:42:26,210
to the Lord.
798
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:27,253
And said, "Lord, I want to let
you guide, direct me, and tell
799
00:42:27,253 --> 00:42:28,420
me what to do."
800
00:42:28,420 --> 00:42:30,256
I said, "Lord, I believe
the guy did this,
801
00:42:30,256 --> 00:42:32,091
but I want you to
be in control."
802
00:42:32,091 --> 00:42:34,593
On the day we had the
start of the hearing,
803
00:42:34,593 --> 00:42:38,264
I get an email from
"The Upper Room",
804
00:42:38,264 --> 00:42:41,767
which is a devotional
that I used to get.
805
00:42:41,767 --> 00:42:43,936
"Fear not, for I
have redeemed you.
806
00:42:43,936 --> 00:42:45,104
I have summoned you by name.
807
00:42:45,104 --> 00:42:46,605
You are mine.
808
00:42:46,605 --> 00:42:48,941
When you pass through the
waters, I will be with you.
809
00:42:48,941 --> 00:42:50,317
When you pass
through the rivers,
810
00:42:50,317 --> 00:42:51,860
they will not sweep over you.
811
00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:54,697
For I am the Lord your
God, your Savior."
812
00:42:54,697 --> 00:42:57,283
If that wasn't a
sign to me, that I
813
00:42:57,283 --> 00:42:59,118
was doing the right thing.
814
00:42:59,118 --> 00:43:01,996
And that the Lord was with
me through all this process,
815
00:43:01,996 --> 00:43:03,998
then I don't know what was.
816
00:43:03,998 --> 00:43:07,251
I never try to judge
nobody religion.
817
00:43:07,251 --> 00:43:09,962
But some time in
our mind, we choose
818
00:43:09,962 --> 00:43:12,631
to just listen to
our inner being
819
00:43:12,631 --> 00:43:14,592
because this is just
what we want to hear.
820
00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:16,135
No.
821
00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:18,971
So when you ask the Lord for
this guidance it was already
822
00:43:18,971 --> 00:43:22,099
in your mind, and in your
heart and soul that--
823
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:23,309
it was already made up on it.
824
00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:24,810
Then I'm giving you
false testimony.
825
00:43:24,810 --> 00:43:26,312
It was already made
up in your mind.
826
00:43:26,312 --> 00:43:28,522
My belief is that God is
in control of everything
827
00:43:28,522 --> 00:43:29,732
in heaven and earth.
828
00:43:29,732 --> 00:43:30,983
Because you felt
that Max was guilty.
829
00:43:30,983 --> 00:43:32,234
When you were in
the penitentiary,
830
00:43:32,234 --> 00:43:33,027
you were there because
God wanted you there.
831
00:43:33,027 --> 00:43:34,320
Yes, it is [INAUDIBLE].
832
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,571
With all due respect,
you don't have a clue
833
00:43:35,571 --> 00:43:37,072
what happened in this case.
834
00:43:37,072 --> 00:43:40,326
I have no doubts that Max
Soffar is on death row,
835
00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:41,493
and that's where he belongs.
836
00:43:41,493 --> 00:43:43,495
There's no evidence.
837
00:43:44,788 --> 00:43:47,666
We've sit here,
and we've talked two hours.
838
00:43:47,708 --> 00:43:50,502
And all we have is
this man's confession.
839
00:43:50,502 --> 00:43:53,839
And you have not
one time put him
840
00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:56,342
there other than him
putting himself into there
841
00:43:56,342 --> 00:43:57,801
like a cluck-head.
842
00:43:57,801 --> 00:44:01,347
Your attitude is the same
attitude and demeanor
843
00:44:01,347 --> 00:44:04,433
of all prosecutors
that I have met.
844
00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:08,145
There was at least 30
exonerees out of Dallas.
845
00:44:08,145 --> 00:44:11,106
And if you ask any one
of them prosecutors,
846
00:44:11,106 --> 00:44:13,150
they're going to tell
you-- at that time--
847
00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:14,276
yeah, I know he was guilty.
848
00:44:14,276 --> 00:44:16,695
I'm 100% sure he was guilty.
849
00:44:26,830 --> 00:44:29,208
I want to tell
you that the last time that I
850
00:44:29,208 --> 00:44:32,920
was here and soon as I
left, we started talking
851
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,673
to people about your case.
852
00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:38,217
Yes, I tried to be strong.
853
00:44:38,217 --> 00:44:41,845
I remember that you're all
working to try to help me.
854
00:44:41,845 --> 00:44:45,391
Remember that, a lot
of people care, man.
855
00:44:45,391 --> 00:44:52,356
I was taken for a CT scan
to treat me for hepatitis C.
856
00:44:52,398 --> 00:44:56,485
They did the x-ray and told
me that they had found tumors
857
00:44:56,485 --> 00:44:58,404
on my liver.
858
00:44:58,404 --> 00:45:01,740
They tell me, "We're going
to have to cut you open.
859
00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:04,368
We have to make sure
we get everything."
860
00:45:04,368 --> 00:45:08,914
So they cut me from here,
all the way to here.
861
00:45:08,914 --> 00:45:11,041
And opened it up.
862
00:45:11,041 --> 00:45:13,001
I didn't think I'd
live through it.
863
00:45:13,001 --> 00:45:15,838
But no matter how
much pain I may have,
864
00:45:15,838 --> 00:45:17,840
the most painful
thing in the world
865
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:23,262
for me is the prosecutors, the
homicide detectives are never
866
00:45:23,262 --> 00:45:27,433
going to say, "We
knew he was innocent.
867
00:45:27,433 --> 00:45:29,184
We made a mistake."
868
00:45:29,184 --> 00:45:31,979
They don't want the truth.
869
00:45:31,979 --> 00:45:34,857
And the truth is what's
going to set me free.
870
00:45:56,128 --> 00:45:57,755
My food?
871
00:45:57,796 --> 00:45:59,715
That's your food.
872
00:46:11,435 --> 00:46:13,645
If you're bad,
I'm going to tickle you.
873
00:46:13,645 --> 00:46:17,649
[LAUGHS]
874
00:46:17,649 --> 00:46:19,735
I ain't ticklish.
875
00:46:19,735 --> 00:46:20,736
But I know you are.
876
00:46:20,736 --> 00:46:21,737
I know you are.
877
00:46:21,737 --> 00:46:24,698
[LAUGHS]
878
00:46:51,308 --> 00:46:53,685
I feel like, maybe--
879
00:46:55,979 --> 00:47:00,526
some of it is my fault.
I don't know.
880
00:47:00,567 --> 00:47:03,570
I don't know if y'all are
holding me accountable
881
00:47:03,570 --> 00:47:05,155
for going to prison.
882
00:47:05,155 --> 00:47:07,825
Or this is just something that--
883
00:47:10,577 --> 00:47:14,540
you trying to
get over with but can't.
884
00:47:17,167 --> 00:47:19,586
I can't lie.
885
00:47:19,628 --> 00:47:23,757
The way I was raised, I
wasn't raised up rough.
886
00:47:23,757 --> 00:47:26,718
You wasn't there for me.
887
00:47:26,718 --> 00:47:28,345
[SNIFFLES]
888
00:47:28,345 --> 00:47:29,847
There's a lot of
people out there
889
00:47:29,847 --> 00:47:33,934
that do love you, and show
you that they love you.
890
00:47:33,934 --> 00:47:38,939
But in order for you
to make that right
891
00:47:40,107 --> 00:47:43,402
you've got to do
right by yourself.
892
00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:46,321
And do by right by your child.
893
00:47:46,321 --> 00:47:48,240
You know I'm sorry.
894
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:54,788
I'm in some unfortunate
circumstances right now.
895
00:47:54,830 --> 00:47:59,751
Talking about a child that needs
to be raised by his parents.
896
00:47:59,751 --> 00:48:02,254
And that shit is not happening
because both of y'all are
897
00:48:02,254 --> 00:48:04,590
locked up right now, man.
898
00:48:04,590 --> 00:48:10,804
Y'all got a beautiful, handsome,
two-year-old boy that's just
899
00:48:10,846 --> 00:48:13,098
now being potty--
900
00:48:13,098 --> 00:48:14,725
I potty trained your son.
901
00:48:14,725 --> 00:48:17,144
That's something you
should have been doing.
902
00:48:17,144 --> 00:48:19,396
Yeah, there ain't
a day that goes
903
00:48:19,396 --> 00:48:23,609
by that I don't think
about my son, man,
904
00:48:25,777 --> 00:48:30,032
I think about it because
I do care about it.
905
00:48:30,032 --> 00:48:33,952
There ain't nothing I can
do about it right now.
906
00:48:33,952 --> 00:48:35,996
I sit here every day.
907
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:41,919
I just say everything is
going to be all right.
908
00:48:42,836 --> 00:48:44,963
I just try to keep
faith in here.
909
00:48:49,384 --> 00:48:52,220
I know I'm
strong, though, man.
910
00:48:59,019 --> 00:49:03,190
I ain't even
going to lie, I ain't
cried in so long, man.
911
00:49:05,984 --> 00:49:10,322
It's alright to shed a tear.
912
00:49:11,823 --> 00:49:13,992
Anything you want
me to tell him?
913
00:49:18,288 --> 00:49:21,875
There's a
lot you can tell him.
914
00:49:21,875 --> 00:49:26,129
You can tell him I love
him and I miss him.
915
00:49:26,129 --> 00:49:27,881
I'll tell him.
916
00:49:27,881 --> 00:49:33,220
But I don't think
I'm going to prison.
917
00:49:35,263 --> 00:49:41,353
We hope not,
but we want you home.
918
00:49:41,353 --> 00:49:46,775
And hopefully, one day soon that
you can be with your family.
919
00:49:48,485 --> 00:49:50,529
I love you, dude.
920
00:49:50,529 --> 00:49:52,364
I love you too, man.
921
00:49:53,991 --> 00:49:56,994
[SNIFFLES]
922
00:50:12,551 --> 00:50:17,723
My son was driving, and
I was in the passenger seat.
923
00:50:17,723 --> 00:50:20,350
[POLICE SIREN]
924
00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:23,645
And I got stopped.
925
00:50:23,645 --> 00:50:26,565
This cop Googled my name.
926
00:50:26,565 --> 00:50:28,483
He was convinced I was a felon.
927
00:50:28,483 --> 00:50:30,485
I am not.
928
00:50:34,114 --> 00:50:37,909
When he shook me down,
he found something.
929
00:50:40,328 --> 00:50:43,457
I had a little bit of
cocaine in the truck.
930
00:50:55,635 --> 00:50:58,764
There's a real chance of a
felony conviction here.
931
00:51:00,932 --> 00:51:03,643
And it's scary.
932
00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:12,819
OK.
933
00:51:12,861 --> 00:51:16,782
Don Wallace, we think, was a
part of a aggravated robbery
934
00:51:16,782 --> 00:51:17,616
case.
935
00:51:17,616 --> 00:51:18,784
And I can't find him.
936
00:51:18,784 --> 00:51:21,620
Is there any possible
way you can put me
937
00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:24,498
in the right direction of
finding Don Wallace, please?
938
00:51:24,498 --> 00:51:27,626
I'm not the one to report
anything about about Don.
939
00:51:27,626 --> 00:51:29,920
I've got in trouble myself and--
940
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,338
Well, my story is the same.
941
00:51:31,338 --> 00:51:32,589
You know what I mean?
942
00:51:32,589 --> 00:51:34,132
My name is Christopher
Scott, I went to prison
943
00:51:34,132 --> 00:51:37,719
for 15 years for a
crime I didn't commit.
944
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,472
And the guy that we're trying
to help get out of prison,
945
00:51:40,472 --> 00:51:43,725
he'd been locked up for 36 years
for a crime he didn't commit.
946
00:51:43,725 --> 00:51:46,353
And we think Don Wallace
committed this crime.
947
00:51:46,353 --> 00:51:49,815
I don't think a guy should
be spent 36 years in prison
948
00:51:49,815 --> 00:51:51,566
for a crime he didn't commit.
949
00:51:51,566 --> 00:51:53,318
Well, last time I
seen Don Wallace is--
950
00:51:53,318 --> 00:51:55,153
I've heard talk about him.
951
00:51:55,153 --> 00:51:57,697
I think right now, he's been
sick for the last 10 years.
952
00:51:57,697 --> 00:52:01,660
He had two or three
strokes and he's disabled.
953
00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:03,245
Uh-huh.
954
00:52:03,245 --> 00:52:05,664
Well, I'm not going back into
him doing any time like that.
955
00:52:05,664 --> 00:52:08,125
I don't know nothing about that
because he's an old man now.
956
00:52:08,125 --> 00:52:09,334
No, no, no, no.
957
00:52:09,334 --> 00:52:10,836
Statutory limitation
already ran out.
958
00:52:10,836 --> 00:52:14,339
He can't do no time nowhere
because statutory limitations
959
00:52:14,339 --> 00:52:15,549
has ran out.
960
00:52:15,549 --> 00:52:18,009
That's why I'm
trying to locate him.
961
00:52:18,009 --> 00:52:19,761
Well, let me give you
a phone number here.
962
00:52:19,761 --> 00:52:21,555
And you can call this number.
963
00:52:21,555 --> 00:52:23,265
All right, I
appreciate this, sir.
964
00:52:23,265 --> 00:52:25,100
Thanks for giving
me this information.
965
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:25,767
OK.
966
00:52:25,767 --> 00:52:27,727
Thank you.
967
00:52:28,895 --> 00:52:31,022
That's supposed
to be his number.
968
00:52:39,906 --> 00:52:43,827
Yesterday,
I did a phone search.
969
00:52:43,827 --> 00:52:48,373
And a phone search led me to
these apartments right here.
970
00:52:48,373 --> 00:52:53,420
Hopefully, this is a
good number for him.
971
00:52:57,132 --> 00:52:59,467
[PHONE BEEPING]
972
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,972
The person you have called
is unavailable right now.
973
00:53:03,972 --> 00:53:05,473
Please try again later.
974
00:53:05,473 --> 00:53:07,392
What I'm thinking if the
numbers is not correct,
975
00:53:07,392 --> 00:53:09,561
they just didn't want to give
us the information to get in--
976
00:53:09,561 --> 00:53:10,395
That's what it is.
977
00:53:10,395 --> 00:53:11,897
- -contact with him.
978
00:53:11,897 --> 00:53:14,191
So I'm just thinking that
it was a smokescreen for him
979
00:53:14,191 --> 00:53:17,569
and we just got to go back
to where we first started
980
00:53:17,569 --> 00:53:19,946
looking for him in, and try
to beat the blocks up there
981
00:53:19,946 --> 00:53:20,697
or something.
982
00:53:20,697 --> 00:53:22,741
Yep.
983
00:53:36,254 --> 00:53:39,925
Last time I was here
we was talking
about Don Wallace.
984
00:53:39,925 --> 00:53:44,512
So have y'all heard any news
about the whereabouts of Don
Wallace?
985
00:53:44,512 --> 00:53:47,891
I ran into him down by the
State Theater and The Paramount.
986
00:53:47,891 --> 00:53:49,309
Him and his daughter
was together.
987
00:53:49,309 --> 00:53:50,769
Mm-hmm.
988
00:53:50,769 --> 00:53:52,729
He said that Quickie
Pickie that's right there.
989
00:53:52,729 --> 00:53:53,855
Who?
990
00:53:53,855 --> 00:53:56,524
That Quickie Pickie right
there on 12th and Chicon.
991
00:53:56,566 --> 00:53:57,442
12th and Chicon?
992
00:53:57,442 --> 00:53:58,944
Yeah.
993
00:53:58,944 --> 00:54:04,032
OK, right in that alley on
that corner is a big house.
994
00:54:04,074 --> 00:54:06,576
He said he lives right there.
995
00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:24,761
Mr. Wallace,
our thing is not to
badger you or anything
996
00:54:24,803 --> 00:54:25,971
like that.
997
00:54:25,971 --> 00:54:27,430
Our thing is just
trying to help Mr. Hill.
998
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:31,518
He have done enough time
for a bullshit case of $150,
999
00:54:31,518 --> 00:54:32,394
I think it was.
1000
00:54:32,394 --> 00:54:33,478
Mm-hmm.
1001
00:54:33,478 --> 00:54:35,146
That's too much time.
1002
00:54:35,146 --> 00:54:38,984
Somebody needs to
step up, have a heart,
1003
00:54:38,984 --> 00:54:40,485
and try to help this man.
1004
00:54:40,485 --> 00:54:43,822
So this has nothing to do
with the police or anything.
1005
00:54:43,822 --> 00:54:45,448
This is just trying to help.
1006
00:54:45,448 --> 00:54:48,493
Can't nobody be retried
on the case no more.
1007
00:54:48,493 --> 00:54:50,245
It's dead and gone.
1008
00:54:50,245 --> 00:54:51,496
You know what I mean?
1009
00:54:51,496 --> 00:54:55,875
And we just want you to
tell us what happened.
1010
00:54:55,875 --> 00:55:00,880
We checked into a motel and they
didn't have no room for him.
1011
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,509
So I gave him money so he could
get a room across the street
1012
00:55:04,509 --> 00:55:06,344
over there-- the other hotel.
1013
00:55:06,344 --> 00:55:08,471
About 2:00 or 3:00
o'clock the morning,
1014
00:55:08,471 --> 00:55:11,766
he's knocking on the door and
he held out a bag of money.
1015
00:55:11,766 --> 00:55:13,351
And I said, "Man,
if you don't get out
1016
00:55:13,351 --> 00:55:14,519
of here with all that money.
1017
00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:16,062
Where you get this from?"
1018
00:55:16,062 --> 00:55:19,065
He said, "I got it from that
dude across the street."
1019
00:55:19,065 --> 00:55:21,443
I said, "Man, you went
and robbed somebody?"
1020
00:55:21,443 --> 00:55:22,402
"Oh, no, no, no.
1021
00:55:22,402 --> 00:55:23,403
I talked him out of it."
1022
00:55:23,403 --> 00:55:25,363
That's what he said.
1023
00:55:25,363 --> 00:55:28,700
And so he went outside
to hide the money.
1024
00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:30,452
By the time he comes
back in, the police
1025
00:55:30,452 --> 00:55:34,748
kicked the door in right then
and come on in the hotel.
1026
00:55:34,748 --> 00:55:37,292
And they took him on to jail.
1027
00:55:37,292 --> 00:55:39,711
And we didn't see him no more.
1028
00:55:39,711 --> 00:55:42,881
When you look at
his arrest record,
1029
00:55:42,881 --> 00:55:46,551
would that be his MO to
commit this type of robbery?
1030
00:55:46,551 --> 00:55:48,303
No.
1031
00:55:48,303 --> 00:55:52,098
But when you look
at your rap sheet,
1032
00:55:52,098 --> 00:55:53,892
it would be more
prone that you would
1033
00:55:53,892 --> 00:55:58,188
be the person that would have
committed this type of robbery
1034
00:55:58,188 --> 00:56:01,733
because you have
several assault cases,
1035
00:56:01,733 --> 00:56:05,612
and robberies on your rap sheet.
1036
00:56:05,612 --> 00:56:08,448
Yeah, some of them I didn't do.
1037
00:56:08,448 --> 00:56:10,033
I know about them,
I know about them,
1038
00:56:10,033 --> 00:56:12,410
but I didn't do them though.
1039
00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:15,580
But they filed
charges on me for it.
1040
00:56:15,580 --> 00:56:17,415
But I beat them all.
1041
00:56:17,415 --> 00:56:20,502
People just don't beat.
1042
00:56:20,502 --> 00:56:23,254
You probably had like
five or six robbery cases
1043
00:56:23,254 --> 00:56:24,255
on your thing.
1044
00:56:24,255 --> 00:56:26,591
We looked at it.
1045
00:56:26,591 --> 00:56:29,719
People just don't beat
five to six robbery cases.
1046
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,346
If they didn't do them, they do.
1047
00:56:31,346 --> 00:56:32,472
I just can't see that, man.
1048
00:56:32,472 --> 00:56:33,765
I ain't never did no robberies.
1049
00:56:33,765 --> 00:56:36,017
I've been a con man all my life.
1050
00:56:36,017 --> 00:56:38,436
And pimping hoes, I ain't
never did nothing like that.
1051
00:56:38,436 --> 00:56:39,437
No drugs?
1052
00:56:39,437 --> 00:56:40,105
Hmm?
1053
00:56:40,105 --> 00:56:41,022
No drugs?
1054
00:56:41,022 --> 00:56:42,774
No, I didn't do no drugs.
1055
00:56:42,774 --> 00:56:46,194
You can bullshit people, but you
can't bullshit the bullshitter.
1056
00:56:46,194 --> 00:56:48,863
Your story is not holding water.
1057
00:56:48,863 --> 00:56:50,490
That's all I'm saying.
1058
00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:53,827
Your story is not holding water.
1059
00:56:53,827 --> 00:56:56,246
This guy has been
locked up 37 years man--
1060
00:56:56,246 --> 00:56:57,664
37.
1061
00:56:57,664 --> 00:56:59,499
Imagine that.
1062
00:56:59,499 --> 00:57:01,960
See, you can't imagine
that because you
1063
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,254
haven't did a lot of time
like that for something
1064
00:57:04,254 --> 00:57:06,423
you didn't do.
1065
00:57:06,423 --> 00:57:09,509
And I say that because I've
been in that same position.
1066
00:57:09,509 --> 00:57:11,886
Somebody had to come
forward and testify
1067
00:57:11,886 --> 00:57:14,389
on my behalf to say they
the one that did it.
1068
00:57:14,389 --> 00:57:16,599
That's how I got out of prison.
1069
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:17,142
No, no.
1070
00:57:17,142 --> 00:57:18,476
Uh-uh.
1071
00:57:18,476 --> 00:57:19,811
I ain't done-- I
wouldn't do it like that.
1072
00:57:19,811 --> 00:57:22,564
[NO AUDIO]
1073
00:57:49,883 --> 00:57:55,763
It's kind
of dangerous playing with
someone's hope in prison.
1074
00:57:58,141 --> 00:58:01,519
It's the
only thing that's keeping
them alive in there.
1075
00:58:09,027 --> 00:58:13,531
I really don't know
what good I'm doing here.
1076
00:58:47,273 --> 00:58:48,775
Steve, man.
1077
00:58:48,816 --> 00:58:51,945
Man, we even went through
hell and back, man.
1078
00:58:51,945 --> 00:58:56,950
And here you is just standing
in the doorway of hell again.
1079
00:58:57,825 --> 00:59:00,245
Believe me, I'm not perfect.
1080
00:59:00,245 --> 00:59:03,665
Been a couple of times
that I did hang--
1081
00:59:03,665 --> 00:59:05,250
I was out with
the wrong company,
1082
00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:08,419
but when I sit back and
look, and I didn't just
1083
00:59:08,419 --> 00:59:10,380
think about myself.
1084
00:59:10,380 --> 00:59:14,008
I thought about all the
people that would disappoint.
1085
00:59:14,008 --> 00:59:15,802
People depending on me.
1086
00:59:15,802 --> 00:59:20,306
Why would I want to jeopardize
it with some nothing.
1087
00:59:20,306 --> 00:59:24,602
That was not supposed
to be like that at all.
1088
00:59:25,937 --> 00:59:27,897
I can't
even explain that shit.
1089
00:59:27,939 --> 00:59:29,941
What you're doing right
now don't only affect you.
1090
00:59:29,941 --> 00:59:33,444
It affects all of us because
you have a responsibility not
1091
00:59:33,444 --> 00:59:34,279
of just you.
1092
00:59:34,279 --> 00:59:35,446
Dang, man--
1093
00:59:35,446 --> 00:59:37,240
We all about to
try to free people.
1094
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,866
But how is going to look like--
1095
00:59:38,866 --> 00:59:41,911
those guys is trying
to get people free,
1096
00:59:41,911 --> 00:59:45,290
but you've got one of them
that's always going to jail.
1097
00:59:45,290 --> 00:59:46,916
Dang, man.
1098
00:59:49,043 --> 00:59:51,963
I can't
say anything, man.
1099
00:59:51,963 --> 00:59:53,339
I can't say shit.
1100
00:59:53,339 --> 00:59:54,549
I don't understand it, Steve.
1101
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:55,758
I don't understand it.
1102
00:59:55,758 --> 00:59:56,926
I'm like Chris now.
1103
00:59:56,926 --> 00:59:58,386
What is your future?
1104
00:59:58,386 --> 00:59:59,721
What do you plan?
1105
00:59:59,721 --> 01:00:02,974
Right now, you can't
plan a goddamn thing.
1106
01:00:02,974 --> 01:00:06,728
Because your future is
in that judge's hand.
1107
01:00:06,728 --> 01:00:09,522
Man, you better get your
mother fucking head right.
1108
01:00:09,522 --> 01:00:13,860
Because apparently you wasn't
hurt bad enough from we
1109
01:00:13,860 --> 01:00:15,987
went through what
we went through.
1110
01:00:15,987 --> 01:00:19,240
26 years-- man, I can't tell
you how many nights I cried.
1111
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:20,742
It hurt me.
1112
01:00:20,742 --> 01:00:23,870
When I asked you a question
about if you needed help,
1113
01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:25,413
you could of been and got it.
1114
01:00:25,413 --> 01:00:27,874
But it got to be in a
fucked up situation for you
1115
01:00:27,874 --> 01:00:29,167
not to say nothing about it.
1116
01:00:29,167 --> 01:00:31,502
I was ashamed.
1117
01:00:31,502 --> 01:00:33,338
And I still am.
1118
01:00:33,338 --> 01:00:36,007
You're going to kick me in the
ass behind the shame, dude?
1119
01:00:36,007 --> 01:00:38,217
Fuck being ashamed.
1120
01:00:38,217 --> 01:00:40,720
I think that's a cop-out
out or something.
1121
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:45,725
Because you know us better than
trying to pass judgment on you.
1122
01:00:46,184 --> 01:00:51,022
When I first got out, you were
the only person that helped me.
1123
01:00:51,022 --> 01:00:54,359
And to see where
we at right now, I
1124
01:00:54,359 --> 01:00:57,987
would never in the
wildest fucking dreams
1125
01:00:57,987 --> 01:01:02,075
thought I'd be looking at Steven
Phillips where he is right now.
1126
01:01:02,075 --> 01:01:03,701
Because you know why?
1127
01:01:03,701 --> 01:01:06,746
When I got out and you
did what you did for me,
1128
01:01:06,746 --> 01:01:08,706
that made me look up to you.
1129
01:01:08,706 --> 01:01:11,709
I'm talking about I
idolized what you was doing.
1130
01:01:11,709 --> 01:01:14,212
[SCOFFS] God, I was going
to say something, man.
1131
01:01:14,212 --> 01:01:16,798
I talked to your brother
about two years ago.
1132
01:01:16,798 --> 01:01:19,217
I said, "Hey, man,
you know who I am?"
1133
01:01:19,217 --> 01:01:20,635
He looked me, right?
1134
01:01:20,635 --> 01:01:23,221
He said, "Yeah, I
know who you are."
1135
01:01:23,221 --> 01:01:24,389
I said, "You do?"
1136
01:01:24,389 --> 01:01:26,099
He said, "Yeah, you're
Steve Phillips."
1137
01:01:26,099 --> 01:01:30,228
[SCOFFS] He said, "Of
course I know who you are."
1138
01:01:30,228 --> 01:01:34,691
So I didn't realize I
was like that high, dude.
1139
01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:40,238
[SCOFFS] So I don't know
if you get that or not.
1140
01:01:40,279 --> 01:01:41,823
I get it.
1141
01:01:41,823 --> 01:01:43,658
You got two good
friends around you
1142
01:01:43,658 --> 01:01:46,160
right now that's not going to
try to tell you nothing wrong,
1143
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,205
or try to help you
do nothing wrong.
1144
01:01:49,205 --> 01:01:52,834
All we're concerned
now is your well being.
1145
01:01:52,834 --> 01:01:55,086
Your other shit, I'm not
going to even worry about it.
1146
01:01:55,086 --> 01:01:57,880
I'm just going to worry
about what happened to you.
1147
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:58,715
All right.
1148
01:01:58,715 --> 01:01:59,674
That's my brother.
1149
01:01:59,674 --> 01:02:00,591
I appreciate that, Johnnie.
1150
01:02:00,591 --> 01:02:01,426
Yeah.
1151
01:02:01,426 --> 01:02:02,260
That's my brother.
1152
01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:03,219
I love you for real.
1153
01:02:03,219 --> 01:02:04,429
I love you, with your big head.
1154
01:02:04,429 --> 01:02:05,430
I know, dude.
1155
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:06,514
Now, get the hell out of here.
1156
01:02:06,514 --> 01:02:09,350
We going to do what we can.
1157
01:02:09,350 --> 01:02:11,018
All right, thanks
for coming for me.
1158
01:02:11,018 --> 01:02:13,020
All right, babe.
1159
01:02:29,954 --> 01:02:32,123
When you come
up for parole, do they
1160
01:02:32,123 --> 01:02:34,208
tell you why they set you off?
1161
01:02:34,208 --> 01:02:36,294
Yeah, the same thing.
1162
01:02:36,294 --> 01:02:37,503
Denying me parole.
1163
01:02:37,503 --> 01:02:39,130
They've been doing
this since 1985.
1164
01:02:39,130 --> 01:02:40,757
They been over 28, or 29 years.
1165
01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:43,134
They've been doing
the same thing, man.
1166
01:02:43,134 --> 01:02:44,802
That's excessive
punishment, man.
1167
01:02:44,802 --> 01:02:46,137
Yes, sir.
1168
01:02:46,137 --> 01:02:47,972
Well, I'm going to
tell you this, dude.
1169
01:02:47,972 --> 01:02:49,974
And I ain't going to sit
up here and lie to you,
1170
01:02:49,974 --> 01:02:52,643
and make you no false promises
saying, "I can get you out
1171
01:02:52,643 --> 01:02:55,480
of prison on this
case right here,"
1172
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,648
because I don't want to
give you no false hope.
1173
01:02:57,648 --> 01:03:00,860
But what I can do for you, I
can at least talk to somebody
1174
01:03:00,860 --> 01:03:03,738
about helping you make parole.
1175
01:03:03,738 --> 01:03:05,615
And then we can try to
figure out something
1176
01:03:05,615 --> 01:03:07,408
once you get out of prison.
1177
01:03:07,408 --> 01:03:09,827
You have done enough time.
1178
01:03:09,827 --> 01:03:11,996
I feel like I can get
you out on parole.
1179
01:03:11,996 --> 01:03:13,998
Yes, sir.
1180
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,338
Isaiah Hill has
did 40 years for a robbery
1181
01:03:20,379 --> 01:03:23,424
case, where nobody got hurt.
1182
01:03:23,424 --> 01:03:24,759
He's done too much time already.
1183
01:03:24,759 --> 01:03:25,343
Already.
1184
01:03:25,343 --> 01:03:26,844
Yeah.
1185
01:03:26,844 --> 01:03:29,388
This is the alternative
we've just now come into.
1186
01:03:29,388 --> 01:03:33,893
If we can't get him exonerated,
help him make parole.
1187
01:03:33,893 --> 01:03:38,022
They are going to be real
reluctant to turn him loose.
1188
01:03:38,022 --> 01:03:41,317
And they probably fear,
that when he gets out,
1189
01:03:41,317 --> 01:03:42,944
he's going to be
wandering the streets.
1190
01:03:42,944 --> 01:03:45,863
There's going to be nobody
there to mentor him.
1191
01:03:45,863 --> 01:03:49,742
So you have to have
plans in place,
1192
01:03:49,742 --> 01:03:51,869
so they can be
reasonably assured
1193
01:03:51,869 --> 01:03:54,956
if they parole
this man, that he's
1194
01:03:54,956 --> 01:03:59,919
going to have a place to go
to help him get settled in.
1195
01:03:59,919 --> 01:03:59,961
going to have a place to go
to help him get settled in.
And so if we can assure the
parole board of that factor,
1196
01:03:59,961 --> 01:04:04,966
And so if we can assure the
parole board of that factor,
1197
01:04:04,966 --> 01:04:07,718
I think that will go a long
way to help get him a parole.
1198
01:04:10,221 --> 01:04:11,430
And we're faith based.
1199
01:04:11,472 --> 01:04:13,558
And I have the
credentials that does say
1200
01:04:13,558 --> 01:04:15,852
that I'm a faith based counsel.
1201
01:04:15,852 --> 01:04:18,062
So we got a commercial
kitchen here.
1202
01:04:18,062 --> 01:04:20,815
And on this side over
here is our dining room.
1203
01:04:20,815 --> 01:04:23,651
This guy's going to
need some type of help,
1204
01:04:23,651 --> 01:04:25,236
and some type of structure.
1205
01:04:25,236 --> 01:04:28,614
And I want him in a
structured environment.
1206
01:04:28,614 --> 01:04:30,241
I understand where
you're coming from.
1207
01:04:30,241 --> 01:04:32,243
And I don't have a
problem with trying
1208
01:04:32,243 --> 01:04:34,579
to help an inmate get home.
1209
01:04:34,579 --> 01:04:37,123
Well, what we do
is do life skills.
1210
01:04:37,123 --> 01:04:40,585
He'll learn about how to
have a new quality of life.
1211
01:04:40,585 --> 01:04:43,796
Even if he had seen
some things back then,
1212
01:04:43,796 --> 01:04:47,049
it has changed tremendously
in our society.
1213
01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:50,928
So yeah, it's going
to be a challenge.
1214
01:04:50,928 --> 01:04:52,430
He can be accepted here.
1215
01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:56,559
It all depends upon the State
saying he can come to us.
1216
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:58,102
That's the bottom line.
1217
01:05:24,378 --> 01:05:26,964
OK, give
me your friends name.
1218
01:05:27,006 --> 01:05:28,007
Christopher Scott.
1219
01:05:28,007 --> 01:05:30,259
And where does he live?
1220
01:05:30,259 --> 01:05:32,637
He lives in Carrolton, Texas.
1221
01:05:34,805 --> 01:05:37,767
Hey,
I'm being bonded out.
1222
01:05:38,392 --> 01:05:40,227
When I get on the road
I'll give you a call.
1223
01:05:40,227 --> 01:05:41,729
How about that?
1224
01:05:41,729 --> 01:05:43,773
All right, bye.
1225
01:05:57,328 --> 01:06:00,331
Chris, Johnnie,
they helped me to make bond.
1226
01:06:00,373 --> 01:06:01,958
Whether you're in
there, or out here,
1227
01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:03,960
you know who's got your back.
1228
01:06:18,224 --> 01:06:19,433
Hey-ho.
1229
01:06:19,475 --> 01:06:21,018
I've got to figure
out how I'm going
1230
01:06:21,018 --> 01:06:23,020
to pay all these lawyer bills.
1231
01:06:25,940 --> 01:06:27,858
This is a
matching pair right here.
1232
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:29,402
They both work good.
1233
01:06:29,402 --> 01:06:30,778
Yeah, you can sell those.
1234
01:06:30,778 --> 01:06:31,445
OK.
1235
01:06:31,445 --> 01:06:32,655
Sell those.
1236
01:06:32,655 --> 01:06:33,906
How about this coffee
table right here?
1237
01:06:33,906 --> 01:06:36,283
It's got a matching
part over here.
1238
01:06:36,283 --> 01:06:38,369
Sell the couch.
1239
01:06:38,369 --> 01:06:39,704
Sell that love seat.
1240
01:06:39,704 --> 01:06:41,288
Sell that.
1241
01:06:41,288 --> 01:06:43,708
See what's in here.
1242
01:06:43,708 --> 01:06:46,419
Texas law is pretty clear
that if I get convicted
1243
01:06:46,419 --> 01:06:48,963
on this case, the
compensation will end,
1244
01:06:48,963 --> 01:06:51,882
and I'd be basically
out on the street.
1245
01:06:57,888 --> 01:07:01,892
Max Soffar's
attorney told us something
1246
01:07:01,934 --> 01:07:05,688
about that this guy
that is in Tennessee
1247
01:07:05,688 --> 01:07:08,649
that could have something to
do with these bowling alley
1248
01:07:08,649 --> 01:07:09,442
murders.
1249
01:07:09,442 --> 01:07:10,234
That's him right there.
1250
01:07:10,234 --> 01:07:12,319
That's him right here.
1251
01:07:16,323 --> 01:07:20,661
Paul Reed
lived in Houston in 1980,
right here in this house,
1252
01:07:20,661 --> 01:07:21,912
right there.
1253
01:07:21,912 --> 01:07:25,458
It's about 11 miles
from the bowling alley.
1254
01:07:25,458 --> 01:07:27,209
And he terrorized
an entire city.
1255
01:07:27,209 --> 01:07:28,753
And that was actually
eight homicides
1256
01:07:28,753 --> 01:07:30,254
we know that he's involved in.
1257
01:07:30,254 --> 01:07:33,841
He's received seven
death sentences.
1258
01:07:33,841 --> 01:07:35,926
Y'all robbed places?
1259
01:07:35,926 --> 01:07:39,346
Yeah, we actually did
over 25 robberies.
1260
01:07:39,346 --> 01:07:41,640
Criminally insane,
is what he was.
1261
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,184
There's some things
I should have
1262
01:07:43,184 --> 01:07:46,228
done to stop him over the
years, and I didn't do it.
1263
01:07:46,228 --> 01:07:48,439
And I feel bad about that.
1264
01:07:48,439 --> 01:07:51,233
The bowlers would bring
the time sheets up,
1265
01:07:51,233 --> 01:07:52,651
and we'd ring them up.
1266
01:07:52,651 --> 01:07:54,487
We had this one guy come up.
1267
01:07:54,487 --> 01:07:56,113
I asked him, "Where's
your time sheet?
1268
01:07:56,113 --> 01:07:58,949
I need it to be
able to charge you."
1269
01:07:58,949 --> 01:08:00,451
He said, "I threw it away."
1270
01:08:00,451 --> 01:08:02,661
I said, "Well, you
need to go get it."
1271
01:08:02,661 --> 01:08:04,497
He said, "No, I'm not
going to go get it."
1272
01:08:04,497 --> 01:08:09,126
15, 30 minutes after,
we kicked him out.
1273
01:08:09,126 --> 01:08:10,628
Get a phone call.
1274
01:08:10,628 --> 01:08:12,797
And he says, "Well, I'm the
one that you kicked out.
1275
01:08:12,797 --> 01:08:15,132
And you better have eyes
on the back of your head
1276
01:08:15,132 --> 01:08:17,134
because I'm going to
blow your heads off."
1277
01:08:17,134 --> 01:08:21,180
It was less than a week later
is when the shooting occurred.
1278
01:08:21,180 --> 01:08:23,307
I went to HPD and
talked to a detective
1279
01:08:23,307 --> 01:08:25,810
and told them about
this time sheet.
1280
01:08:25,810 --> 01:08:29,146
So did you testify
in Max's case?
1281
01:08:29,146 --> 01:08:32,566
No, I never knew that
it went to trial.
1282
01:08:32,566 --> 01:08:34,193
Aw, man.
1283
01:08:34,193 --> 01:08:35,694
That's sick.
1284
01:08:35,694 --> 01:08:39,281
Paul had told me that he had
shot four people at a bowling
1285
01:08:39,281 --> 01:08:40,199
alley.
1286
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:41,367
I asked him did he kill them.
1287
01:08:41,367 --> 01:08:43,494
He said, "No, they're
all right now."
1288
01:08:43,494 --> 01:08:45,037
Did you actually
believe him when
1289
01:08:45,037 --> 01:08:47,206
he said he didn't kill them.
1290
01:08:47,206 --> 01:08:49,625
Yeah, at that time I did
because I didn't think
1291
01:08:49,625 --> 01:08:52,128
he was a stone cold killer.
1292
01:08:52,128 --> 01:08:54,505
This is the witness composite.
1293
01:08:54,505 --> 01:08:58,259
Does that match Paul
Reed's description?
1294
01:08:58,259 --> 01:08:59,510
Sure it does.
1295
01:08:59,510 --> 01:09:01,720
That's Paul Reed.
1296
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,639
There's no doubt in my mind.
1297
01:09:03,639 --> 01:09:06,350
He should have come forth
and cleared Max Soffar
1298
01:09:06,350 --> 01:09:07,893
because Paul Reed did them.
1299
01:09:07,893 --> 01:09:08,519
Yeah.
1300
01:09:08,519 --> 01:09:09,728
Wow.
1301
01:09:11,230 --> 01:09:12,356
Yeah.
1302
01:09:12,356 --> 01:09:13,524
That's him.
1303
01:09:13,524 --> 01:09:14,441
That's him?
1304
01:09:14,441 --> 01:09:15,359
Yeah.
1305
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:16,861
I'll never forget his face.
1306
01:09:36,964 --> 01:09:38,174
This is mad.
1307
01:09:38,215 --> 01:09:40,718
Everything I've been
going through for 35 years
1308
01:09:40,718 --> 01:09:42,386
is pure madness.
1309
01:09:42,386 --> 01:09:45,139
Why in God's name
am I still here?
1310
01:09:45,139 --> 01:09:46,724
Why?
1311
01:09:46,724 --> 01:09:48,309
No one cares about justice.
1312
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:50,603
They care about putting
me on that gurney
1313
01:09:50,603 --> 01:09:53,564
and putting an end to it.
1314
01:09:53,564 --> 01:09:55,316
It's never too late.
1315
01:09:57,860 --> 01:09:59,653
I got faith in God.
1316
01:09:59,695 --> 01:10:04,617
But I'm saying, when teams
of oncologists doctors,
1317
01:10:04,617 --> 01:10:08,871
get here and tell
you, "You're dying."
1318
01:10:08,871 --> 01:10:11,582
You don't have nothing
to hide anymore.
1319
01:10:11,582 --> 01:10:14,501
And then I'm reading about
this disease I'm having.
1320
01:10:14,501 --> 01:10:17,087
Some say five months,
some say with chemo
1321
01:10:17,087 --> 01:10:18,797
you might live eight.
1322
01:10:18,797 --> 01:10:23,802
But you have a death sentence
that you cannot get out of.
1323
01:10:24,345 --> 01:10:26,847
It's not for the
murders at 14441
1324
01:10:26,847 --> 01:10:30,100
in Northwest Freeway in
Houston because I did not
1325
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:33,062
commit those murders.
1326
01:10:33,062 --> 01:10:38,025
The victims' families
deserve the truth.
1327
01:10:38,025 --> 01:10:40,152
That's the most painful
thing in the world
1328
01:10:40,152 --> 01:10:42,655
for me is those families
still look at me,
1329
01:10:42,655 --> 01:10:47,034
and still believe that
I killed those people.
1330
01:10:47,034 --> 01:10:48,619
We're not going to stop.
1331
01:10:48,619 --> 01:10:55,834
We're not going to give up until
we clear Max Soffar's name.
1332
01:11:23,988 --> 01:11:25,406
Raise your
right hand for me.
1333
01:11:25,447 --> 01:11:26,573
State your name.
1334
01:11:26,573 --> 01:11:28,033
Christopher Scott.
1335
01:11:28,033 --> 01:11:29,326
Do you solemnly swear or affirm
that these things are true,
1336
01:11:29,326 --> 01:11:30,577
correct, to the best
of your knowledge?
1337
01:11:30,577 --> 01:11:31,245
Yes, ma'am.
1338
01:11:31,245 --> 01:11:33,414
Thank you.
1339
01:11:33,414 --> 01:11:36,500
So you are charged with
two counts of first degree
1340
01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:37,876
aggravated robbery.
1341
01:11:37,876 --> 01:11:40,254
Pursuant to the plea agreements,
I assess your punishment
1342
01:11:40,254 --> 01:11:42,756
as confinement in the Texas
Department of Criminal Justice
1343
01:11:42,756 --> 01:11:45,718
where you shall serve a
period of seven years.
1344
01:11:45,718 --> 01:11:47,678
It is the order judgment
in decree of the court
1345
01:11:47,678 --> 01:11:48,554
that you would take--
1346
01:11:48,554 --> 01:11:51,015
[VOICE FADES]
1347
01:12:12,619 --> 01:12:14,204
What's that?
1348
01:12:14,204 --> 01:12:16,623
It's a letter from your daddy.
1349
01:12:16,623 --> 01:12:17,291
Yeah?
1350
01:12:17,291 --> 01:12:18,375
Papa and daddy?
1351
01:12:18,375 --> 01:12:19,043
Yeah.
1352
01:12:19,043 --> 01:12:19,668
Hold on.
1353
01:12:19,668 --> 01:12:20,336
It say--
1354
01:12:20,336 --> 01:12:21,545
[INAUDIBLE]
1355
01:12:21,545 --> 01:12:25,466
"It hurts me that I'm
not here with you.
1356
01:12:25,466 --> 01:12:30,471
Every day I'm away from you,
takes a piece of my soul away.
1357
01:12:31,513 --> 01:12:34,099
But I love you more than
anything in this world.
1358
01:12:36,977 --> 01:12:39,605
Soon, it will be over.
1359
01:12:39,646 --> 01:12:41,065
I love you so much."
1360
01:12:41,065 --> 01:12:42,399
Papa.
1361
01:12:42,399 --> 01:12:46,904
"Your dad, Christopher
Shun Scott Jr."
1362
01:12:46,904 --> 01:12:48,238
Hold it?
1363
01:12:48,238 --> 01:12:49,114
You want to hold it?
1364
01:12:49,114 --> 01:12:51,075
Yeah.
1365
01:13:07,674 --> 01:13:10,177
And I don't know
what the city thinks about this.
1366
01:13:10,177 --> 01:13:11,970
My neighbor's probably
think, oh, my gosh.
1367
01:13:11,970 --> 01:13:15,099
The Beverly
Hillbillies are back.
1368
01:13:15,099 --> 01:13:17,142
Right now, the
electricity is off.
1369
01:13:17,142 --> 01:13:19,228
Got some water,
but no hot water.
1370
01:13:36,620 --> 01:13:39,289
A judge is going to make
a ruling on whether they
1371
01:13:39,331 --> 01:13:42,126
had probable cause to search.
1372
01:13:42,126 --> 01:13:47,131
If he rules in my favor,
it could dismiss the case.
1373
01:13:47,798 --> 01:13:50,926
If he rules against me, they're
going to set the case for trial
1374
01:13:50,926 --> 01:13:53,011
in a month or two.
1375
01:13:57,850 --> 01:14:01,395
If I'm convicted,
I could do a
stretch of prison time.
1376
01:14:01,437 --> 01:14:03,522
I don't know if I
can handle that.
1377
01:14:20,831 --> 01:14:26,503
For the record in CF-1410,
The State vs. Steven Charles
Phillips.
1378
01:14:26,545 --> 01:14:29,339
This court's opinion is,
based on the totality
1379
01:14:29,339 --> 01:14:33,177
of the circumstances, that the
evidence should be suppressed
1380
01:14:33,177 --> 01:14:36,430
as fruit of the poisonous tree.
1381
01:14:36,430 --> 01:14:38,348
The demurrer is sustained.
1382
01:14:38,348 --> 01:14:40,434
You are excused.
1383
01:14:44,646 --> 01:14:48,525
The judge
ruled in my favor that
the search was illegal.
1384
01:14:50,235 --> 01:14:52,237
But I'm a little bit surprised.
1385
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,366
Been a pretty
tough six months here.
1386
01:14:58,535 --> 01:14:59,912
And it has cost me--
1387
01:14:59,953 --> 01:15:01,538
a lot.
1388
01:15:03,624 --> 01:15:05,792
[CHURCH BELLS RINGING]
1389
01:15:05,959 --> 01:15:08,754
Father God, we come
to you to celebrate
1390
01:15:08,754 --> 01:15:11,882
the life of Max Soffar.
1391
01:15:11,882 --> 01:15:13,342
Father, we just
pray for the family
1392
01:15:13,342 --> 01:15:14,885
that you would comfort them.
1393
01:15:14,885 --> 01:15:17,804
And we thank you for your
blessings, in Jesus' name.
1394
01:15:17,804 --> 01:15:20,265
Amen.
1395
01:15:20,265 --> 01:15:24,186
Max spent essentially his
entire adult life in prison.
1396
01:15:24,186 --> 01:15:29,858
From 1981, Max entered death row
to last Sunday, when he died.
1397
01:15:29,858 --> 01:15:33,987
State of Texas
executed 537 people.
1398
01:15:33,987 --> 01:15:36,073
Far surpassing
every other state.
1399
01:15:39,576 --> 01:15:42,955
Max never stopped
believing he would be exonerated
1400
01:15:42,996 --> 01:15:47,709
because he was 100% beyond a
shadow of a doubt, innocent.
1401
01:15:49,461 --> 01:15:51,505
He planned to
win at the Fifth Circuit
1402
01:15:51,547 --> 01:15:53,799
in the hearing that was
set for just a few days ago
1403
01:15:53,799 --> 01:15:56,176
on Wednesday.
1404
01:15:56,176 --> 01:15:57,970
And he wanted to start
making arrangements
1405
01:15:57,970 --> 01:15:59,930
to get decent medical treatment.
1406
01:16:03,392 --> 01:16:06,853
The state didn't
use the lethal injection,
1407
01:16:06,895 --> 01:16:10,190
the state didn't use
the electric chair,
1408
01:16:10,190 --> 01:16:13,318
but in a lot of ways,
the state killed Max.
1409
01:16:15,779 --> 01:16:21,577
The first
time I laid my eyes on
Max, it was a connection.
1410
01:16:21,618 --> 01:16:25,372
It's a lot of more Max
Soffars in prison right now.
1411
01:16:25,372 --> 01:16:28,500
It's so many more.
1412
01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:33,338
I know Max would want
us to fight for them.
1413
01:16:33,338 --> 01:16:36,300
[CHURCH BELLS RINGING]
1414
01:17:16,173 --> 01:17:18,008
What's up, dude?
1415
01:17:18,050 --> 01:17:19,926
[LAUGHS]
1416
01:17:19,926 --> 01:17:21,178
Lord, have mercy, Jesus.
1417
01:17:21,178 --> 01:17:22,471
[INAUDIBLE]
1418
01:17:22,471 --> 01:17:24,181
Man, thank God.
1419
01:17:24,181 --> 01:17:26,600
With y'all to
help, I'm so happy.
1420
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,561
[CRYING]
1421
01:17:38,278 --> 01:17:40,280
What is that?
1422
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:41,948
That your phone singing?
1423
01:17:41,948 --> 01:17:42,824
Want to see this?
1424
01:17:42,824 --> 01:17:43,950
Who is that?
1425
01:17:43,950 --> 01:17:44,910
That's you, man.
1426
01:17:44,910 --> 01:17:48,121
Is that me?
1427
01:17:48,121 --> 01:17:50,707
Oh, man.
1428
01:17:50,707 --> 01:17:52,376
I got you.
1429
01:17:54,544 --> 01:17:55,754
There's
a bunch of pictures.
1430
01:17:55,796 --> 01:17:57,756
Man, man, man.
1431
01:17:57,756 --> 01:18:00,550
Now, did somebody want
a steak back here?
1432
01:18:00,550 --> 01:18:02,010
Yes, ma'am.
1433
01:18:02,010 --> 01:18:03,220
Yeah.
1434
01:18:06,139 --> 01:18:07,349
Yeah, Lord.
1435
01:18:07,349 --> 01:18:09,351
[LAUGHTER]
1436
01:18:09,351 --> 01:18:10,519
Can I ask you a question, ma'am?
1437
01:18:10,519 --> 01:18:11,228
Sure.
1438
01:18:11,228 --> 01:18:12,729
I ain't hugged a
lady in 40 years.
1439
01:18:12,729 --> 01:18:13,563
Get up.
1440
01:18:13,563 --> 01:18:14,231
Can I give you a hug?
1441
01:18:14,231 --> 01:18:15,148
Just get up.
1442
01:18:15,148 --> 01:18:17,067
[LAUGHS] Lord, thank you, Lord.
1443
01:18:17,067 --> 01:18:19,444
Thank you.
1444
01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:20,862
Congratulations.
1445
01:18:20,862 --> 01:18:22,614
Thank you, ma'am.
1446
01:18:22,614 --> 01:18:23,990
I don't mean no harm.
1447
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:25,784
You're not going
to hurt a thing.
1448
01:18:25,784 --> 01:18:27,244
Thank you.
1449
01:18:37,963 --> 01:18:42,551
[QUIET CRYING]
1450
01:18:50,851 --> 01:18:55,856
[SNIFFLES]
1451
01:19:28,430 --> 01:19:30,807
Give me one. Give me one.
1452
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,106
Ah.
1453
01:19:38,106 --> 01:19:39,816
Got him all hooked up.
1454
01:19:55,999 --> 01:20:00,587
[APPLAUSE]
1455
01:20:02,464 --> 01:20:05,967
[LAUGHING]
1456
01:20:24,528 --> 01:20:26,363
Just like that.
1457
01:20:26,363 --> 01:20:28,907
[LAUGHS]
1458
01:20:45,882 --> 01:20:51,805
Alrighty, got
a letter from Michael's
Unit, [INAUDIBLE],,
1459
01:20:54,057 --> 01:20:56,101
Tennessee Colony.
1460
01:20:57,269 --> 01:21:01,606
He says,
"I was wrongly convicted
and I need help.
1461
01:21:02,732 --> 01:21:05,902
Injustice anywhere is a
threat to justice everywhere."
1462
01:21:05,902 --> 01:21:06,820
Martin Luther King.
1463
01:21:06,820 --> 01:21:09,155
Martin Luther King said that.
1464
01:21:09,155 --> 01:21:11,658
It says, "To whom
it may concern,
1465
01:21:11,658 --> 01:21:15,579
I'm an innocent man wrongly
serving a 45 year term.
1466
01:21:15,579 --> 01:21:19,875
I pled not guilty, and
I stand by my innocence.
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