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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:28,445 --> 00:00:30,447 Arms out. 2 00:00:33,074 --> 00:00:34,451 OK, this way. 3 00:00:34,451 --> 00:00:36,953 [BUZZING DOOR OPEN] 4 00:00:49,174 --> 00:00:50,925 I don't have nobody. 5 00:00:51,426 --> 00:00:54,596 I've been in the system for 36 years, man. 6 00:00:54,596 --> 00:00:56,097 My whole life is gone. 7 00:00:56,097 --> 00:00:58,099 I can't never get it back. 8 00:00:58,099 --> 00:00:59,934 It ain't never going to come back, man. 9 00:00:59,934 --> 00:01:01,603 I didn't rob nobody. 10 00:01:01,603 --> 00:01:03,396 We're here to try to help you. 11 00:01:03,396 --> 00:01:04,439 You know what I mean? 12 00:01:04,439 --> 00:01:06,149 We're here to try to help you. 13 00:01:06,149 --> 00:01:07,817 I'm going to tell you the truth, man. 14 00:01:07,817 --> 00:01:12,113 [VOICE FADES OUT] 15 00:01:14,616 --> 00:01:17,535 I was young when I went to prison. 16 00:01:18,119 --> 00:01:23,833 I cried, and wrote people, pleading and begging for help. 17 00:01:27,212 --> 00:01:31,091 [APPLAUSE] 18 00:01:39,599 --> 00:01:42,310 In accordance with the Court of Criminal Appeals opinion, 19 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:46,981 this court finds you actually innocent of these offenses. 20 00:01:46,981 --> 00:01:49,484 Today, you are a free man. 21 00:01:49,484 --> 00:01:51,569 [APPLAUSE] 22 00:01:51,569 --> 00:01:55,990 In 1997, Christopher Scott was convicted of capital murder. 23 00:01:55,990 --> 00:01:58,409 Another man has since confessed to that crime. 24 00:01:58,409 --> 00:02:00,745 Now Christopher Scott's finally free. 25 00:02:00,745 --> 00:02:03,206 Scott says, when released, priority number one 26 00:02:03,206 --> 00:02:06,126 is helping others who've been falsely accused. 27 00:02:06,126 --> 00:02:08,419 Man, there's maybe hundreds, maybe thousands 28 00:02:08,419 --> 00:02:11,214 or more in our situation. 29 00:02:11,214 --> 00:02:14,300 And what I aim to do is fight for those guys 30 00:02:14,300 --> 00:02:15,969 that were wrongfully convicted. 31 00:02:21,307 --> 00:02:23,726 The Dallas DA's office is reviewing 32 00:02:23,768 --> 00:02:28,064 another 200 cases of inmates who could be innocent. 33 00:02:28,064 --> 00:02:30,567 Today's release brings the total number of exonerations 34 00:02:30,567 --> 00:02:32,819 in Dallas County to 22. 35 00:02:32,819 --> 00:02:35,864 DNA evidence has cleared another person wrongfully convicted 36 00:02:35,864 --> 00:02:38,408 of a crime in Dallas County. 37 00:02:38,408 --> 00:02:40,618 More than 30 men have been freed or cleared 38 00:02:40,618 --> 00:02:42,120 of wrongful conviction. 39 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,915 Dallas County has now cleared 32 convicts in this last decade. 40 00:02:45,915 --> 00:02:48,084 More than any other place in the country. 41 00:02:48,084 --> 00:02:49,878 It's a growing fraternity. 42 00:02:49,878 --> 00:02:52,672 Now that these innocent men have the attention of the nation, 43 00:02:52,672 --> 00:02:54,382 they want people to know they are not 44 00:02:54,382 --> 00:02:56,885 the only ones wrongfully convicted. 45 00:03:01,890 --> 00:03:06,895 [POLICE SIRENS] 46 00:03:16,112 --> 00:03:18,615 Oh, man, I can't believe this-- 47 00:03:18,615 --> 00:03:21,367 this is the neighborhood right here. 48 00:03:21,367 --> 00:03:22,827 Ain't nothing changed. 49 00:03:22,827 --> 00:03:26,331 Still the same neighborhood, man. 50 00:03:26,331 --> 00:03:28,666 This is the house right here on Alabama Street 51 00:03:28,666 --> 00:03:31,878 that I grew up in as a kid. 52 00:03:31,878 --> 00:03:36,132 It was nine of us inside this house-- plus my parents. 53 00:03:36,132 --> 00:03:40,887 That's 11 people in this little house right here. 54 00:03:41,346 --> 00:03:43,431 Even though we didn't have much of nothing, 55 00:03:43,431 --> 00:03:45,058 my mom raised us right. 56 00:03:50,355 --> 00:03:52,440 A mother really can't explain it. 57 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,945 The hurt that you have when one of your children 58 00:03:56,945 --> 00:03:59,864 is sentenced to life-- 59 00:03:59,864 --> 00:04:01,616 to life. 60 00:04:01,616 --> 00:04:04,494 The day that they exonerated you. 61 00:04:04,494 --> 00:04:08,331 That was the most happy day, I think, in my life. 62 00:04:08,331 --> 00:04:09,958 My son was freed. 63 00:04:09,958 --> 00:04:12,877 And everybody knew that he wasn't a murderer. 64 00:04:19,509 --> 00:04:22,303 Being out of prison it's just the small things in life 65 00:04:22,345 --> 00:04:23,972 that I cherish. 66 00:04:26,641 --> 00:04:29,143 For me to cook a chili dog the way 67 00:04:29,143 --> 00:04:32,146 I want to cook my own chili dog-- 68 00:04:32,146 --> 00:04:36,901 with relish, with shredded cheese, good hot dog buns. 69 00:04:36,901 --> 00:04:38,152 You know what I mean? 70 00:04:38,152 --> 00:04:39,946 No hot dog bun that when you open it up 71 00:04:39,946 --> 00:04:43,032 is going to fall apart on you like in prison. 72 00:04:43,032 --> 00:04:45,660 I've been out almost three years now. 73 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:47,036 I don't want nothing to remind me 74 00:04:47,036 --> 00:04:50,915 of how limited I was in prison. 75 00:04:50,915 --> 00:04:51,833 Oh. 76 00:04:51,833 --> 00:04:53,960 That's delicious. 77 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,045 It don't get no better than this. 78 00:05:05,596 --> 00:05:08,933 I could be holding an innocent man's life right now 79 00:05:08,975 --> 00:05:12,520 in my hands and don't even know it. 80 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,063 You know, that's amazing. 81 00:05:16,482 --> 00:05:20,069 "You once sat in my same shoes. 82 00:05:20,111 --> 00:05:24,324 I'm an innocent man serving a life sentence, wrongfully 83 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:27,118 convicted of a crime I did not commit." 84 00:05:27,118 --> 00:05:29,078 It has potential of being a good one. 85 00:05:29,078 --> 00:05:30,663 But you need detail. 86 00:05:30,663 --> 00:05:32,498 What place they supposed to rob. 87 00:05:32,498 --> 00:05:35,209 If he's there at the time of robbery, that's it. 88 00:05:35,209 --> 00:05:37,462 This lawyer here, he said, "My license 89 00:05:37,462 --> 00:05:41,007 does not allow me to chase wild geese." 90 00:05:41,007 --> 00:05:43,384 [LAUGHTER] 91 00:05:52,518 --> 00:05:56,272 All I can say to you sir, is that we are very, very sorry 92 00:05:56,272 --> 00:05:57,732 for what happened to you. 93 00:05:57,732 --> 00:06:00,193 I know if I just kept fighting, the truth 94 00:06:00,193 --> 00:06:01,611 will eventually come about. 95 00:06:01,611 --> 00:06:06,199 [APPLAUSE] 96 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:09,077 Hey man, it's not his job to investigate. 97 00:06:09,077 --> 00:06:10,244 Bullshit! 98 00:06:10,244 --> 00:06:11,662 Well, hey man, who's gonna do it? 99 00:06:11,662 --> 00:06:12,872 Yeah. 100 00:06:12,872 --> 00:06:13,831 This might be a good case right here. 101 00:06:13,831 --> 00:06:15,291 Let's write this guy a letter. 102 00:06:15,291 --> 00:06:16,542 Let's give it a shot. 103 00:06:16,542 --> 00:06:19,253 Write him a letter and say, "What about this?" 104 00:06:19,253 --> 00:06:21,672 [CHEERING] 105 00:06:26,094 --> 00:06:27,929 I don't feel any anger-- 106 00:06:27,929 --> 00:06:29,347 bitterness and anger. 107 00:06:29,347 --> 00:06:32,308 Well, I just don't have time for that anymore. 108 00:06:32,308 --> 00:06:35,269 [APPLAUSE] 109 00:06:43,236 --> 00:06:46,781 I got myself a dream team. 110 00:06:46,781 --> 00:06:50,827 I'm part of this special group of brothers. 111 00:06:50,827 --> 00:06:51,911 We're each others rock. 112 00:06:51,911 --> 00:06:54,455 We're each others foundation. 113 00:06:54,455 --> 00:06:56,416 Howdy, folks. 114 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:58,876 This is Big Tex. 115 00:06:58,876 --> 00:07:02,338 Welcome, to the State Fair of Texas. 116 00:07:02,338 --> 00:07:03,339 Fingers on your trigger. 117 00:07:03,339 --> 00:07:05,299 Eyes on your target. 118 00:07:05,299 --> 00:07:06,259 [BELL RINGS] 119 00:07:06,259 --> 00:07:07,718 Hey, look at them go. 120 00:07:07,718 --> 00:07:09,137 Look at them go. 121 00:07:09,137 --> 00:07:12,181 [BELL RINGS] 122 00:07:17,645 --> 00:07:21,107 You know, when I got out, Steven gave me a place to live. 123 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:22,817 It was a two bedroom apartment-- 124 00:07:22,817 --> 00:07:24,735 I mean, nice. 125 00:07:24,735 --> 00:07:26,154 And not only that-- 126 00:07:26,154 --> 00:07:30,491 Steven opened up me an account and put $20,000 just 127 00:07:30,491 --> 00:07:32,243 so I can survive. 128 00:07:35,163 --> 00:07:37,707 That's a hell of a person. 129 00:07:37,999 --> 00:07:39,333 We looked out for him. 130 00:07:39,333 --> 00:07:40,793 Took him wherever he needed to go. 131 00:07:40,793 --> 00:07:42,420 Got whatever he needed to do. 132 00:07:42,420 --> 00:07:44,505 Would do that again in a minute. 133 00:07:44,505 --> 00:07:46,549 Chris is a good person. 134 00:07:48,759 --> 00:07:52,013 This is the first time I ever been on a Ferris wheel. 135 00:07:52,013 --> 00:07:52,680 Oh, really? 136 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:53,806 Don't look down. 137 00:07:53,806 --> 00:07:57,185 [LAUGHS] 138 00:07:58,811 --> 00:08:00,771 It's all about the view. 139 00:08:01,522 --> 00:08:03,900 When you were where we were-- 140 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:05,568 it's all about the view. 141 00:08:37,725 --> 00:08:40,686 This right here let's you know this 142 00:08:40,728 --> 00:08:42,730 come from an inmate in prison. 143 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,569 "My name is Max Soffar. 144 00:08:48,569 --> 00:08:53,491 And I was convicted of a triple homicide that I did not do. 145 00:08:53,491 --> 00:08:57,912 The truth is, I did not kill anyone at the bowling alley." 146 00:08:57,912 --> 00:09:01,123 Two teenagers and one adult were murdered in an execution style 147 00:09:01,123 --> 00:09:02,917 slaying in Northwest Houston. 148 00:09:02,917 --> 00:09:06,546 A fourth victim is in Hermann Hospital in critical condition. 149 00:09:06,546 --> 00:09:08,422 [POLICE SIRENS] 150 00:09:08,422 --> 00:09:11,050 Police officers say, it was one of the most cold blooded, 151 00:09:11,050 --> 00:09:14,387 triple murders they've seen in a long time. 152 00:09:14,387 --> 00:09:17,640 A bowling alley was hit by armed burglars who shot all four 153 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,684 people in the back of the head. 154 00:09:23,980 --> 00:09:26,274 Houston police will file capital murder charges 155 00:09:26,315 --> 00:09:29,610 against a 24-year-old Max Alexander Soffar. 156 00:09:29,610 --> 00:09:32,196 Charged with murder punishable by death 157 00:09:32,196 --> 00:09:34,991 is 24-year-old Max Soffar. 158 00:09:40,329 --> 00:09:41,455 How you doing, Max? 159 00:09:41,497 --> 00:09:43,457 [SIGH] Hanging in there. 160 00:09:43,457 --> 00:09:45,543 I'm Christopher Scott. 161 00:09:45,543 --> 00:09:48,838 And actually, I was kind of like in your position. 162 00:09:48,838 --> 00:09:52,925 I did 13 years in prison for a crime I didn't commit. 163 00:09:52,925 --> 00:09:55,428 This is my 35th year-- 164 00:09:55,428 --> 00:09:57,263 on Texas death row. 165 00:09:57,263 --> 00:10:01,976 Over 500 men have died in my little tour of duty here. 166 00:10:01,976 --> 00:10:02,935 OK. 167 00:10:02,935 --> 00:10:06,147 Take me back to the day that all of this happened. 168 00:10:06,772 --> 00:10:09,609 I've been awake for four days maybe-- 169 00:10:09,609 --> 00:10:14,614 I can't remember-- on speed, injecting methamphetamines. 170 00:10:14,780 --> 00:10:16,657 I stole this motorcycle. 171 00:10:22,705 --> 00:10:26,292 He pulled me over for stealing a motorcycle. 172 00:10:26,334 --> 00:10:29,670 I said, "I know something about this bowling alley murder 173 00:10:29,670 --> 00:10:31,297 case." 174 00:10:31,297 --> 00:10:36,052 And that's when it just blew up. 175 00:10:36,052 --> 00:10:39,555 All of them kept on drawing maps and showing me 176 00:10:39,555 --> 00:10:43,184 these things about the case. 177 00:10:43,184 --> 00:10:45,186 They keep me in custody. 178 00:10:45,186 --> 00:10:49,523 Mold this story around me. 179 00:10:49,523 --> 00:10:52,860 "Here, sign here." 180 00:10:52,860 --> 00:10:55,404 So, I sign it. 181 00:10:58,407 --> 00:11:03,412 What made you just come out and confess to the crime though? 182 00:11:03,454 --> 00:11:07,041 Well, I was a drug addict and a nut case. 183 00:11:07,041 --> 00:11:09,335 I've been in the Texas Department of Mental Health 184 00:11:09,335 --> 00:11:13,047 for four years when they let me out and all this happened. 185 00:11:13,047 --> 00:11:15,257 I mean, I didn't really understand 186 00:11:15,257 --> 00:11:16,759 what was happening to me. 187 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:20,971 But I had already read and seen on the TV 188 00:11:20,971 --> 00:11:23,557 a lot of the details of the case. 189 00:11:23,557 --> 00:11:25,768 But they go back to the same thing. 190 00:11:25,768 --> 00:11:27,728 Don't nobody confess if they didn't do it. 191 00:11:27,728 --> 00:11:28,979 You know what I say to that? 192 00:11:28,979 --> 00:11:31,107 You know what I say to that? 193 00:11:31,107 --> 00:11:36,570 If it doesn't make sense, it doesn't add up, 194 00:11:37,071 --> 00:11:38,864 it's a lie, man. 195 00:11:38,864 --> 00:11:42,368 The DA, the homicide division, and the trial court judge 196 00:11:42,368 --> 00:11:44,578 is supposed to be looking for the truth. 197 00:11:44,578 --> 00:11:46,622 And this don't add up! 198 00:11:46,622 --> 00:11:49,333 They know it's a lie. 199 00:11:49,333 --> 00:11:53,254 That's why I want something done now. 200 00:11:53,254 --> 00:11:58,259 I want an investigation into what's happened to me. 201 00:11:58,592 --> 00:12:00,928 I don't think he wrote that confession. 202 00:12:00,928 --> 00:12:02,722 Well he confessed anyway. 203 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:03,681 Yeah. 204 00:12:03,681 --> 00:12:06,559 They wanted me to confess. 205 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,769 And I'm going like, no, I didn't do it. 206 00:12:08,769 --> 00:12:10,020 Right? 207 00:12:10,020 --> 00:12:12,106 A confession is a confession, man. 208 00:12:12,106 --> 00:12:15,109 So if he made a confession, that's it. 209 00:12:15,109 --> 00:12:17,278 Something smells about this case. 210 00:12:17,278 --> 00:12:19,780 Something smells about this interrogation. 211 00:12:19,780 --> 00:12:22,783 It might be hard to get some sympathy for this guy. 212 00:12:22,783 --> 00:12:24,827 Well, let's not forget his past. 213 00:12:24,827 --> 00:12:26,078 Yeah. 214 00:12:26,078 --> 00:12:28,622 Knowing a little bit about his past history 215 00:12:28,622 --> 00:12:31,792 could help us think about how are we going to deal with Max. 216 00:12:39,258 --> 00:12:43,596 I first encountered Max on my first day at work 217 00:12:43,596 --> 00:12:43,637 I first encountered Max on my first day at work at the child care unit at the Austin State Hospital. 218 00:12:43,637 --> 00:12:48,184 at the child care unit at the Austin State Hospital. 219 00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:53,189 They were trying to get Max in, what we call, the quiet room. 220 00:12:53,230 --> 00:12:55,816 Which was basically a concrete cell 221 00:12:55,816 --> 00:12:59,403 where they put the young kids for discipline purposes. 222 00:12:59,403 --> 00:13:01,822 Were the kids criminals? 223 00:13:01,822 --> 00:13:03,365 No. 224 00:13:03,365 --> 00:13:06,702 The vast majority were there because nobody wanted them. 225 00:13:06,702 --> 00:13:08,496 Nobody wanted to take care of them. 226 00:13:08,496 --> 00:13:10,414 Nobody wanted to deal with them. 227 00:13:10,414 --> 00:13:15,336 They appeared to me to be typical, rowdy kids. 228 00:13:15,336 --> 00:13:17,838 The biggest problem we had with Max 229 00:13:17,838 --> 00:13:21,008 is the whoppers he would tell. 230 00:13:21,008 --> 00:13:24,512 I find it impossible to believe he 231 00:13:24,512 --> 00:13:28,516 would hurt anybody or anything. 232 00:13:28,516 --> 00:13:32,436 I find that impossible to believe. 233 00:13:32,436 --> 00:13:38,484 I find it very believable that he could make up 234 00:13:38,526 --> 00:13:41,529 a story about anything. 235 00:13:41,529 --> 00:13:43,239 You name it. 236 00:13:43,239 --> 00:13:48,244 When I heard that his conviction was based on his confession. 237 00:13:49,119 --> 00:13:52,581 I thought, "What a joke." 238 00:13:52,581 --> 00:13:53,999 Testing, testing. 239 00:13:53,999 --> 00:13:56,961 August the 6th, 1980. 240 00:13:56,961 --> 00:14:01,257 This is a continuation of the interview with Max Alexander 241 00:14:01,257 --> 00:14:02,216 Soffar. 242 00:14:02,216 --> 00:14:05,261 It's now two minutes until 10. 243 00:14:05,261 --> 00:14:06,846 You mind going through it one more time 244 00:14:06,846 --> 00:14:10,099 that night you went over to the bowling alley? 245 00:14:10,099 --> 00:14:11,350 Well, it's like I said. 246 00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:13,644 They got down on the ground and-- 247 00:14:13,644 --> 00:14:15,813 Laid down on the floor? 248 00:14:15,813 --> 00:14:18,399 Yeah, well they didn't lay down on the floor. 249 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:20,442 They were down on their knees. 250 00:14:20,442 --> 00:14:21,610 On their knees? 251 00:14:21,610 --> 00:14:23,779 Somebody moved. 252 00:14:23,779 --> 00:14:26,740 Somebody came from the back. 253 00:14:26,740 --> 00:14:28,033 Shot four people. 254 00:14:28,033 --> 00:14:29,577 Three of them are dead right there. 255 00:14:29,577 --> 00:14:31,954 And one of them managed to hang on. 256 00:14:31,954 --> 00:14:35,291 I imagine he's about scared to death. 257 00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:37,209 [SCOFFS] 258 00:14:37,209 --> 00:14:40,963 That's a gruesome-ass -- gruesome-ass crime really. 259 00:14:40,963 --> 00:14:43,632 Mm-hmm. 260 00:14:43,632 --> 00:14:45,885 You know my take on it is? 261 00:14:45,885 --> 00:14:49,346 Max Soffar had been up like, three or four days 262 00:14:49,346 --> 00:14:52,182 on a methamphetamine binge. 263 00:14:52,182 --> 00:14:54,476 So you know this guy is tired. 264 00:14:54,476 --> 00:14:59,064 He would tell anything just to get them of off his back 265 00:14:59,064 --> 00:15:01,358 or whatever the case may be. 266 00:15:01,358 --> 00:15:03,611 I don't like him, dude. 267 00:15:03,611 --> 00:15:05,905 It ain't about us liking him. 268 00:15:05,905 --> 00:15:09,533 He should still get a fair shake. 269 00:15:09,533 --> 00:15:10,659 Yeah. 270 00:15:10,659 --> 00:15:12,119 I'll go for it. 271 00:15:12,119 --> 00:15:13,913 Take it real slow and easy and just tell me 272 00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:15,831 exactly what that sucker looked like-- 273 00:15:15,831 --> 00:15:17,374 the pistol. 274 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:20,711 Automatic or Revolver? 275 00:15:21,086 --> 00:15:23,797 Revolver. 276 00:15:23,797 --> 00:15:24,840 What color was it? 277 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,301 Blue. 278 00:15:27,301 --> 00:15:28,761 The metal part was blue? 279 00:15:28,761 --> 00:15:31,221 Barrel butt. 280 00:15:31,221 --> 00:15:33,641 I don't know. 281 00:15:33,641 --> 00:15:34,642 How long it was? 282 00:15:34,642 --> 00:15:35,559 Four inches? 283 00:15:35,559 --> 00:15:36,226 Three inches? 284 00:15:36,226 --> 00:15:38,562 Four inches. 285 00:15:38,562 --> 00:15:40,773 Soffar's case has the kind of thing 286 00:15:40,773 --> 00:15:42,650 you see in the false confession cases. 287 00:15:42,650 --> 00:15:44,234 He's got the mental illness. 288 00:15:44,234 --> 00:15:46,946 He tends to go along with what others say. 289 00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:50,240 But he was also interrogated for 26 hours. 290 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,660 Looked like a pretty good pistol? 291 00:15:52,660 --> 00:15:54,244 Or looked like a-- 292 00:15:54,244 --> 00:15:57,331 .357 Magnum. 293 00:15:57,331 --> 00:16:00,376 [YAWN] Might have been bigger. 294 00:16:00,376 --> 00:16:01,710 What might have been bigger? 295 00:16:01,710 --> 00:16:03,170 The pistol. 296 00:16:03,170 --> 00:16:06,757 Might have been-- .44? 297 00:16:06,757 --> 00:16:09,927 The average interrogation is a half hour, or maybe an hour. 298 00:16:09,927 --> 00:16:14,014 In the false confession cases, the average is like over 6. 299 00:16:14,014 --> 00:16:17,518 And that psychological pressure, leads to lies. 300 00:16:17,518 --> 00:16:20,813 So how do you evaluate a confession? 301 00:16:20,813 --> 00:16:21,480 Oh, it's hard. 302 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:22,690 It's hard. 303 00:16:22,690 --> 00:16:24,191 See if they telling the truth or not. 304 00:16:24,191 --> 00:16:26,235 Well, I think you've got to look at whether the confession 305 00:16:26,235 --> 00:16:28,362 matches the physical evidence. 306 00:16:28,362 --> 00:16:31,699 And whether or not the suspect knows details 307 00:16:31,699 --> 00:16:33,867 that only the true perpetrator would know. 308 00:16:33,867 --> 00:16:37,371 Soffar says things like, they shot the victims 309 00:16:37,371 --> 00:16:38,706 when they were on their knees. 310 00:16:38,706 --> 00:16:40,165 Yet the ballistics and eyewitness 311 00:16:40,165 --> 00:16:42,543 show that they were all laying down. 312 00:16:42,543 --> 00:16:46,171 He said the money was taken from the snack bar register. 313 00:16:46,171 --> 00:16:48,549 But the evidence showed that it was taken from the locked 314 00:16:48,549 --> 00:16:50,050 manager's office. 315 00:16:50,050 --> 00:16:51,510 Yeah. 316 00:16:51,510 --> 00:16:55,764 He said that all the victims was lined up in a straight line. 317 00:16:55,764 --> 00:17:00,060 The eye-witness-- he said was like a semi-circle. 318 00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:03,689 We know the difference between a straight line and semi-circle. 319 00:17:03,689 --> 00:17:06,233 Soffar gets too many facts wrong. 320 00:17:06,233 --> 00:17:08,027 It doesn't demonstrate that Soffar 321 00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:10,404 knew something you would expect somebody 322 00:17:10,404 --> 00:17:13,949 who committed a crime to know. 323 00:17:13,949 --> 00:17:15,951 In the Houston bowling alley murders, 324 00:17:15,951 --> 00:17:19,913 24-year-old man Max Soffar reportedly signed a confession. 325 00:17:19,913 --> 00:17:23,333 Houston homicide says the confession reveals details 326 00:17:23,333 --> 00:17:26,420 that only a participant would know. 327 00:17:26,420 --> 00:17:27,921 Reports are being typed now. 328 00:17:27,921 --> 00:17:29,298 The officers are getting together 329 00:17:29,298 --> 00:17:32,092 and trying to decipher which is good, 330 00:17:32,092 --> 00:17:35,429 and which is not going to be relevant to the case. 331 00:17:35,429 --> 00:17:38,307 When I talk to somebody and they're giving me a confession, 332 00:17:38,307 --> 00:17:39,975 the first thing I'm going to try to do 333 00:17:39,975 --> 00:17:42,561 is find out whether or not they are telling me the truth, 334 00:17:42,561 --> 00:17:44,438 or they're just blowing smoke. 335 00:17:44,438 --> 00:17:45,689 How do you do that? 336 00:17:45,689 --> 00:17:48,358 Well, I asked Max when he went up there I said, 337 00:17:48,358 --> 00:17:51,612 "Sir, did you see the people in the bowling alley 338 00:17:51,612 --> 00:17:52,946 through the front windows?" 339 00:17:52,946 --> 00:17:53,989 There wasn't no windows. 340 00:17:53,989 --> 00:17:54,907 That's right. 341 00:17:54,907 --> 00:17:55,783 Well, what did he say? 342 00:17:55,783 --> 00:17:57,117 That's exactly right. 343 00:17:57,117 --> 00:17:59,203 And Max Soffar knew that. 344 00:17:59,203 --> 00:18:02,623 It had been publicized on the news about what 345 00:18:02,623 --> 00:18:04,374 actually had happened. 346 00:18:04,374 --> 00:18:05,626 Everything? 347 00:18:05,626 --> 00:18:07,377 Everything, everything. 348 00:18:07,377 --> 00:18:10,923 And for Max to maybe see it on TV, 349 00:18:10,923 --> 00:18:13,967 that should have brought about a red flag off the top. 350 00:18:13,967 --> 00:18:18,764 We are kind of experienced in being screwed over by cops. 351 00:18:18,764 --> 00:18:22,101 And we see the same inconsistencies 352 00:18:22,101 --> 00:18:24,311 that's dealing with Max Soffar case 353 00:18:24,311 --> 00:18:26,480 that we probably have all seen in our cases. 354 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,067 Let me tell you what, Max Soffar told me 355 00:18:30,067 --> 00:18:32,194 he laid those people down on the floor 356 00:18:32,194 --> 00:18:34,363 and he shot them in the back of the head. 357 00:18:34,363 --> 00:18:37,574 The third person, he told me, moved. 358 00:18:37,574 --> 00:18:39,785 And when he shot, he missed. 359 00:18:39,785 --> 00:18:42,412 So he had to shoot again. 360 00:18:42,412 --> 00:18:44,665 And then he shot the other boy. 361 00:18:44,665 --> 00:18:47,292 Now there were four victims. 362 00:18:47,292 --> 00:18:50,003 There's five bullet holes in that carpet. 363 00:18:50,003 --> 00:18:51,588 Did you know about the five bullets? 364 00:18:51,588 --> 00:18:53,006 No, I didn't know about that. 365 00:18:53,006 --> 00:18:56,176 Nobody knew about them except the person who did it. 366 00:18:56,176 --> 00:19:00,389 The person who did it would have known there were five shots. 367 00:19:00,389 --> 00:19:02,683 You can't overlook that. 368 00:19:02,683 --> 00:19:05,936 So you are 100% sure that Max Soffar is guilty? 369 00:19:05,936 --> 00:19:07,646 I don't have any doubts about that at all. 370 00:19:19,867 --> 00:19:22,578 It's kind of frustrating. 371 00:19:23,579 --> 00:19:25,581 I really don't know now. 372 00:19:25,581 --> 00:19:28,208 Maybe Max committed this crime. 373 00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:40,345 [SIDE CONVERSATION] 374 00:20:08,957 --> 00:20:11,752 Your basketball game is trash. 375 00:20:11,752 --> 00:20:12,961 [LAUGHS] 376 00:20:12,961 --> 00:20:16,924 And you know we done played a million times, one on one. 377 00:20:16,924 --> 00:20:18,508 I always come out on top. 378 00:20:18,508 --> 00:20:20,177 You know that's just me. 379 00:20:20,177 --> 00:20:23,847 When we first played, I was probably 42 at the time. 380 00:20:23,847 --> 00:20:24,640 Oh, yeah. 381 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,933 You were real young. 382 00:20:25,933 --> 00:20:27,267 I'm like fine wine. 383 00:20:27,267 --> 00:20:30,437 I get better with time. 384 00:20:30,437 --> 00:20:32,105 See, you're still young. 385 00:20:32,105 --> 00:20:36,068 You're still brewing and growing. 386 00:20:36,068 --> 00:20:39,571 When I see your son, Tre, it really 387 00:20:39,571 --> 00:20:42,950 made my heart feel good when he called me, "Papa". 388 00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:44,785 I'm like, yeah, he's growing up. 389 00:20:44,785 --> 00:20:46,286 He's knowing who we are now. 390 00:20:46,286 --> 00:20:49,331 So once he go to realize who we are, 391 00:20:49,331 --> 00:20:50,916 those are the most important time 392 00:20:50,916 --> 00:20:53,085 you're supposed to be there for him because I wanted 393 00:20:53,085 --> 00:20:55,671 him to know that I am his Papa. 394 00:20:55,671 --> 00:20:57,214 You know what I mean? 395 00:20:57,214 --> 00:21:01,802 And you should want your son know that you his dad. 396 00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:05,472 That's why a lot of trouble that I 397 00:21:05,472 --> 00:21:10,435 got in recently by surrounding myself by people that I 398 00:21:10,435 --> 00:21:11,645 shouldn't have. 399 00:21:11,645 --> 00:21:16,650 I'm just trying to rectify that situation 400 00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:19,736 by not falling into that same cycle 401 00:21:19,736 --> 00:21:21,905 again on what I was doing. 402 00:21:21,905 --> 00:21:26,910 Lately, I try to spend as much time as I can with my son 403 00:21:27,786 --> 00:21:31,832 because anything is possible. 404 00:21:31,832 --> 00:21:33,500 It's not even about your life no more. 405 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:35,168 It's about your kids life. 406 00:21:35,168 --> 00:21:38,088 Your son's life. 407 00:21:38,088 --> 00:21:39,840 Your life is his life. 408 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:40,674 You know what I mean? 409 00:21:40,674 --> 00:21:43,176 Mm-hmm. 410 00:21:43,176 --> 00:21:44,177 [POLICE SIRENS] 411 00:21:44,177 --> 00:21:47,139 [VOICES ON POLICE RADIO] 412 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:16,710 When I got arrested, I had my kid staying with me. 413 00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:18,170 Girlfriend living with me. 414 00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:20,714 We're a family now. 415 00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:23,008 Everything was playing right until that night. 416 00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:34,686 I was driving over to a friend's house 417 00:22:34,686 --> 00:22:38,106 and I saw a lot of cops driving around the neighborhood 418 00:22:38,106 --> 00:22:41,902 like they're looking for somebody. 419 00:22:41,902 --> 00:22:45,655 As I'm turning the corner, a cop gets behind me. 420 00:22:45,655 --> 00:22:48,533 And I'm thinking, what the hell is going on here? 421 00:22:53,205 --> 00:22:58,210 [POLICE SIREN] 422 00:22:59,169 --> 00:23:02,422 As I'm driving up to my friend's house, 423 00:23:02,422 --> 00:23:05,008 I see these cops following me. 424 00:23:08,553 --> 00:23:12,682 When I went into the house the cops just surrounded the place. 425 00:23:12,724 --> 00:23:15,185 [VOICES ON POLICE RADIO] 426 00:23:20,941 --> 00:23:23,985 The cops told us to come out. 427 00:23:23,985 --> 00:23:27,364 And they laid us down right here. 428 00:23:27,364 --> 00:23:29,616 And said I was -- 429 00:23:29,616 --> 00:23:32,035 they came and identified me. 430 00:23:32,035 --> 00:23:35,455 And said somebody is going to take a fall for what happened. 431 00:23:35,455 --> 00:23:38,375 To be face-down on the ground for something you didn't know 432 00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:40,460 what you supposedly did-- 433 00:23:40,460 --> 00:23:42,379 I was so close to crying. 434 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,802 When we pulled up to the police station 435 00:23:48,844 --> 00:23:52,973 they handcuffed me immediately to a bench. 436 00:23:52,973 --> 00:23:57,310 They said, "Somebody is going to come identify you." 437 00:23:57,310 --> 00:24:01,481 And I saw this lady crying very distraught. 438 00:24:01,481 --> 00:24:05,777 When I looked up, I see the cop pointing at me. 439 00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:08,488 "Is this the guy that killed your husband?" 440 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:13,827 And I'm the only one on this side handcuffed to this bench. 441 00:24:13,827 --> 00:24:18,331 Who do you think she's going to chose? 442 00:24:18,331 --> 00:24:22,169 In court, my judge is white. 443 00:24:22,169 --> 00:24:24,337 The prosecutor is white. 444 00:24:24,337 --> 00:24:27,257 The jury, white. 445 00:24:27,257 --> 00:24:31,136 I knew I was going to be convicted. 446 00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:35,015 My trial lasted-- for a capital murder case-- 447 00:24:35,015 --> 00:24:37,559 one day. 448 00:24:45,734 --> 00:24:49,488 I'm over here with a guy with two life sentences, three life 449 00:24:49,488 --> 00:24:50,614 sentences-- 450 00:24:50,614 --> 00:24:53,408 199 years. 451 00:24:53,408 --> 00:24:56,244 These are the people that I was surrounded by. 452 00:24:56,244 --> 00:25:00,207 And I'm innocent, but I'm around individuals like this-- 453 00:25:00,207 --> 00:25:02,417 please. 454 00:25:02,417 --> 00:25:05,295 You don't know if you're going to make it to the next day. 455 00:25:16,890 --> 00:25:22,729 This would be the box of stuff that kept the hope alive. 456 00:25:22,812 --> 00:25:25,148 Hope is a very big deal in prison. 457 00:25:25,148 --> 00:25:29,319 It's almost like a commodity. 458 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:31,530 This is where it kind of began. 459 00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:35,075 Check this photograph out, dude. 460 00:25:35,075 --> 00:25:37,661 "Why can't Steven Phillips get a DNA test? 461 00:25:37,661 --> 00:25:40,413 For that matter, why can't any incarcerated man or woman 462 00:25:40,413 --> 00:25:42,999 with a good reason get one?" 463 00:25:42,999 --> 00:25:47,629 In my case, the state withheld evidence of another suspect. 464 00:25:47,629 --> 00:25:50,757 And this guy, his name is Sidney Alvin Goodyear. 465 00:25:50,757 --> 00:25:52,926 They withheld the fact that he was identified 466 00:25:52,926 --> 00:25:54,719 by some witnesses in this crime spree 467 00:25:54,719 --> 00:25:56,721 that I went to prison for. 468 00:25:56,721 --> 00:25:58,515 Dallas cops let that guy go. 469 00:25:58,515 --> 00:26:01,643 Dallas prosecutors let that guy go. 470 00:26:01,643 --> 00:26:04,062 And he went on to commit more crimes. 471 00:26:04,062 --> 00:26:06,565 That should be a crime in itself. 472 00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:14,781 Texas law states I get $80,000 bucks a year 473 00:26:14,781 --> 00:26:18,577 for every year that I was wrongly convicted. 474 00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:20,870 I wanted to do something with the money besides just go 475 00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:23,415 to Las Vegas and screw it off. 476 00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:25,125 I did go to Las Vegas. 477 00:26:25,125 --> 00:26:27,335 Didn't lose that much. 478 00:26:27,335 --> 00:26:32,132 But I bought these houses with that in mind to do some good. 479 00:26:32,132 --> 00:26:35,760 Putting guys in here who are part of a 12 step program, 480 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,639 and down on their luck program, and trying 481 00:26:39,639 --> 00:26:42,642 to do better program-- 482 00:26:42,642 --> 00:26:45,478 like me. 483 00:26:45,478 --> 00:26:51,484 12 steps, addictions and stuff, you know I can relate to that. 484 00:27:01,369 --> 00:27:05,582 When I first got out, I was self-medicating whatever pain 485 00:27:05,582 --> 00:27:05,624 When I first got out, I was self-medicating whatever pain from prison. 486 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:07,834 from prison. 487 00:27:07,834 --> 00:27:11,796 Somebody had some coke, and I did it. 488 00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:13,757 I did some more. 489 00:27:13,757 --> 00:27:15,634 I bought some. 490 00:27:17,344 --> 00:27:19,763 And then about the time I got a million bucks, 491 00:27:23,183 --> 00:27:24,976 I started doing coke every day, man. 492 00:27:27,187 --> 00:27:29,564 I did a 30 day rehab. 493 00:27:29,564 --> 00:27:29,648 I did a 30 day rehab. The drugs ran off about 15 days into that. 494 00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:32,609 The drugs ran off about 15 days into that. 495 00:27:32,609 --> 00:27:35,236 All my feelings started pouring back in. 496 00:27:35,236 --> 00:27:37,155 And I was a mess, man. 497 00:28:04,224 --> 00:28:06,685 As I go through these letters, I have 498 00:28:06,726 --> 00:28:09,604 to see my case inside of their case. 499 00:28:09,604 --> 00:28:12,148 If I feel his sorrow and his pain, 500 00:28:12,148 --> 00:28:15,318 that will be the letter that I chose to work on. 501 00:28:15,318 --> 00:28:19,406 "Sir, I am writing you on behalf of Isaiah N. Hill, who 502 00:28:19,406 --> 00:28:22,784 has been wrongfully imprisoned for 36 years on a charge 503 00:28:22,784 --> 00:28:24,661 of aggravated robbery. 504 00:28:24,661 --> 00:28:27,539 The district attorney offered Mr. Hill 505 00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:29,708 a plea bargain of 10 years. 506 00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:34,504 And he said to Mr. Hill, 'Boy--' I mean boy-- 507 00:28:34,504 --> 00:28:36,506 'you don't know where you are. 508 00:28:36,506 --> 00:28:38,967 If you don't take this plea bargain, 509 00:28:38,967 --> 00:28:41,928 I'm going to make an example out of you.' 510 00:28:41,928 --> 00:28:46,933 I believe if you will just take the time to interview him, 511 00:28:46,933 --> 00:28:49,936 you will see what I am talking about. 512 00:28:49,936 --> 00:28:52,397 Please, help this man." 513 00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:04,784 Tell me something. 514 00:29:04,784 --> 00:29:06,619 What was you doing before you went to jail? 515 00:29:06,619 --> 00:29:10,123 What kind of life you was living before you went to prison? 516 00:29:10,123 --> 00:29:11,374 I grew up. 517 00:29:11,374 --> 00:29:14,127 My mama come off the Indian Reservation. 518 00:29:14,127 --> 00:29:15,462 My daddy was black. 519 00:29:15,462 --> 00:29:17,589 I'm what you call a half-breed baby. 520 00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:19,466 My mama had me drawing disability checks 521 00:29:19,466 --> 00:29:22,010 because they classified me as mentally unstable. 522 00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:25,305 So they say you was mentally disabled? 523 00:29:25,305 --> 00:29:26,806 Yes, sir. 524 00:29:26,806 --> 00:29:30,018 So why your lawyer didn't bring it up in trial? 525 00:29:30,018 --> 00:29:32,604 He didn't bring it up. 526 00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:37,609 What I need you to do for me is take me through that day 527 00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:38,860 that you was arrested. 528 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:39,652 OK. 529 00:29:39,652 --> 00:29:41,154 From start to finish. 530 00:29:41,154 --> 00:29:45,867 I went to Brownwood, Texas with this lady, her name was Diane, 531 00:29:45,867 --> 00:29:48,578 and her boyfriend's name was Don Wallace. 532 00:29:48,578 --> 00:29:50,705 So when we got there, Don Wallace 533 00:29:50,705 --> 00:29:52,415 went into to rent this motel. 534 00:29:52,415 --> 00:29:55,877 He said, "Man, I just cashed a hundred dollar bill 535 00:29:55,877 --> 00:29:57,337 from the man up in the lobby. 536 00:29:57,337 --> 00:29:59,214 And this man had a bank bag of money." 537 00:29:59,214 --> 00:30:01,090 He said, "I'm going to go back and get that." 538 00:30:01,090 --> 00:30:03,259 I said, "I don't want nothing to do with that, man." 539 00:30:03,259 --> 00:30:05,595 But anyway, Don Wallace had robbed this man. 540 00:30:05,595 --> 00:30:09,474 And so the police came to the motel and knocked on the door. 541 00:30:09,474 --> 00:30:13,269 Diane, she told the police, "Don Wallace, that's my boyfriend. 542 00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:17,106 He was with me in the motel all night. 543 00:30:17,106 --> 00:30:19,442 So it had to be this guy." 544 00:30:19,442 --> 00:30:21,152 And so when they locked me up, the DA 545 00:30:21,152 --> 00:30:22,612 said, "Let me tell you something. 546 00:30:22,612 --> 00:30:24,864 You a nigger-- and this a white folks town-- 547 00:30:24,864 --> 00:30:26,157 and you're in the wrong town." 548 00:30:26,157 --> 00:30:27,659 And I said, "I ain't rob nobody, man. 549 00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:29,369 Why do you keep on saying I robbed somebody, man. 550 00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:30,537 I didn't rob nobody. 551 00:30:30,537 --> 00:30:31,788 You ain't got nothing off of me, man." 552 00:30:31,788 --> 00:30:33,832 He said, "Well, if you don't take this 10, 553 00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:36,042 I'm going to make an example out of you as a nigger." 554 00:30:36,042 --> 00:30:37,544 And that's what they did too, sir. 555 00:30:37,544 --> 00:30:38,795 They gave me life, man. 556 00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:39,587 [SNIFFLES] 557 00:30:39,587 --> 00:30:41,923 They gave me life. 558 00:30:41,923 --> 00:30:43,466 I even got raped. 559 00:30:43,466 --> 00:30:45,593 I even got beat up. 560 00:30:45,593 --> 00:30:50,139 My own race of people, man, raped me man, they beat me up. 561 00:30:50,139 --> 00:30:52,517 [CRYING] 562 00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:54,394 Calm down, Mr. Hill. 563 00:30:54,394 --> 00:30:56,437 It'll be OK. 564 00:30:56,437 --> 00:30:59,274 We're here to try to help you. 565 00:30:59,274 --> 00:31:00,108 I was told that. 566 00:31:00,108 --> 00:31:01,985 Anything is possible. 567 00:31:01,985 --> 00:31:04,404 We need somebody to come forward and say they actually 568 00:31:04,404 --> 00:31:06,364 committed this robbery. 569 00:31:06,364 --> 00:31:08,116 I don't know how to find them, man. 570 00:31:08,116 --> 00:31:09,284 I'm lost, man. 571 00:31:09,284 --> 00:31:10,743 No, that's my job. 572 00:31:10,743 --> 00:31:13,246 Tell me the guys name that was robbed. 573 00:31:13,246 --> 00:31:15,415 Do you know his name? 574 00:31:15,415 --> 00:31:17,584 His name was Tammy Blanton. 575 00:31:17,584 --> 00:31:18,751 Tammy. 576 00:31:18,751 --> 00:31:20,044 The guy's name was Tammy? 577 00:31:20,044 --> 00:31:23,381 Yeah, he was about 6'7. 578 00:31:23,381 --> 00:31:24,340 He was real tall. 579 00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:25,675 The guy's name was Tammy? 580 00:31:25,675 --> 00:31:26,384 Tammy. 581 00:31:26,384 --> 00:31:27,176 Wow. 582 00:31:27,176 --> 00:31:29,012 What mama named him? 583 00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:31,723 OK, give me the name of the guy that was supposed 584 00:31:31,723 --> 00:31:32,765 to committed the robbery. 585 00:31:32,765 --> 00:31:33,516 What was his name? 586 00:31:33,516 --> 00:31:34,183 Don Wallace? 587 00:31:34,183 --> 00:31:34,726 Don Wallace. 588 00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:36,269 OK. 589 00:31:36,269 --> 00:31:39,606 If you can remember anything else dealing with your case, 590 00:31:39,606 --> 00:31:42,275 have somebody write it down for you and send it to me. 591 00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:45,987 Because all the information that I can get on you is a plus. 592 00:31:45,987 --> 00:31:46,779 Yes, sir. 593 00:31:46,779 --> 00:31:47,906 God bless you then. 594 00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:48,740 Thank y'all, man. 595 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:49,574 God bless you too. 596 00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:50,533 Man, please, man. 597 00:31:50,533 --> 00:31:51,451 Get me out of prison, man. 598 00:31:51,451 --> 00:31:53,620 I'm going to try. 599 00:32:00,793 --> 00:32:06,132 At 3:00 AM at Brownwood, Texas, a Holiday Inn was robbed. 600 00:32:09,427 --> 00:32:14,474 An 18-year-old clerk named Tammy Blanton was held up 601 00:32:14,515 --> 00:32:18,019 at knifepoint for $200. 602 00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:21,814 The witness, Blanton, said that after taking money 603 00:32:21,814 --> 00:32:25,944 from the cash register, the robber ran off into the hotel. 604 00:32:28,988 --> 00:32:32,450 The state did not produce Don Wallace 605 00:32:32,492 --> 00:32:35,161 during the proceedings of the trial. 606 00:32:37,330 --> 00:32:42,502 Do you think Isaiah Hill got a fair trial? 607 00:32:42,502 --> 00:32:45,004 That has really bothered me-- 608 00:32:45,004 --> 00:32:48,091 that entire trial, and the punishment phase, 609 00:32:48,091 --> 00:32:49,842 and everything about it. 610 00:32:49,842 --> 00:32:52,512 The evidence was very confusing. 611 00:32:52,512 --> 00:32:55,682 The Brownwood Police Department didn't do a lineup. 612 00:32:55,682 --> 00:32:57,809 You would think too, that they would get back there 613 00:32:57,809 --> 00:33:00,436 and they would fingerprint that cash register 614 00:33:00,436 --> 00:33:02,355 to prove that it was Isaiah. 615 00:33:02,355 --> 00:33:03,940 Well they didn't do that. 616 00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:06,109 I don't think they did fingerprints on anything. 617 00:33:06,109 --> 00:33:08,861 So it put all the burden of proof 618 00:33:08,861 --> 00:33:11,072 on whether or not that eyewitness 619 00:33:11,072 --> 00:33:15,076 was absolutely, positively sure that Isaiah did it. 620 00:33:15,076 --> 00:33:17,662 That's why I took so long to deliberate. 621 00:33:17,662 --> 00:33:19,414 When we first got in the jury room, 622 00:33:19,414 --> 00:33:21,290 I held out, and held out about it. 623 00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:24,585 But I felt pressure. 624 00:33:26,170 --> 00:33:28,631 Eventually, you said, "Guilty." 625 00:33:28,631 --> 00:33:32,635 If you know what you know now, would that verdict 626 00:33:32,635 --> 00:33:34,220 still be guilty? 627 00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:36,556 I learned a lot throughout the years, 628 00:33:36,556 --> 00:33:40,727 and so I wouldn't do the same thing today 629 00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:42,520 that I would have probably done then. 630 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,231 I think my decision would have been tougher. 631 00:33:45,231 --> 00:33:47,316 Well then, could I ask you a question? 632 00:33:47,316 --> 00:33:52,321 What confuses me is that after the robbery had took place-- 633 00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:56,367 and if I understand correctly-- that police officer 634 00:33:56,367 --> 00:33:58,786 went up to one of the rooms. 635 00:33:58,786 --> 00:34:02,665 And it was Mr. Hill, Don Wallace-- 636 00:34:02,665 --> 00:34:04,083 And Diane Clemons 637 00:34:04,083 --> 00:34:06,419 Yeah, Diane Clemons. 638 00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:08,588 They didn't really bring up the fact 639 00:34:08,588 --> 00:34:10,548 that Wallace had a girlfriend there. 640 00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:11,966 And it could have easily been him. 641 00:34:11,966 --> 00:34:14,886 And hey, these two people could have been setting him up. 642 00:34:14,886 --> 00:34:17,388 Maybe they found a purpose for him 643 00:34:17,388 --> 00:34:19,807 riding to Brownwood with them. 644 00:34:19,807 --> 00:34:20,683 That was troublesome. 645 00:34:20,683 --> 00:34:22,602 Mm-hmm. 646 00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:31,652 Now, I just think that Isaiah Hill got set up. 647 00:34:31,694 --> 00:34:35,615 That was the easy way to escape that crime was, hey, I'm going 648 00:34:35,615 --> 00:34:37,492 to put it off on Isaiah Hill. 649 00:34:37,492 --> 00:34:41,913 And as they were arresting him, Don Wallace flying like a bird 650 00:34:41,913 --> 00:34:45,083 it night, with the money. 651 00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:48,461 It's a scot-free getaway. 652 00:34:48,461 --> 00:34:50,338 We're going to look at Don Wallace 653 00:34:50,338 --> 00:34:52,006 and see if he's still alive. 654 00:35:01,808 --> 00:35:03,559 I'm looking for this guy right here. 655 00:35:03,601 --> 00:35:07,647 His name is Don Wallace, but his alias name is 'Papa Dog'. 656 00:35:07,647 --> 00:35:10,775 He was part of a crime that was committed. 657 00:35:10,775 --> 00:35:13,402 And there's a guy sitting in prison 658 00:35:13,402 --> 00:35:15,321 because of something he did. 659 00:35:15,321 --> 00:35:17,490 We ain't telling you to do no snitching or whatever. 660 00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:19,492 We're just trying to get an innocent brother out 661 00:35:19,492 --> 00:35:22,161 of prison, that's it. 662 00:35:22,161 --> 00:35:24,122 A lot of guys hang out in this area. 663 00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:26,707 You may know of him and may see him also, 664 00:35:26,707 --> 00:35:30,211 because our people don't like moving. 665 00:35:30,211 --> 00:35:32,046 Is there any information you can give me 666 00:35:32,046 --> 00:35:33,673 that would lead me to Don Wallace? 667 00:35:33,673 --> 00:35:36,801 Well, he was a friend of my mom's. 668 00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:40,012 He was a drug addict and dope fiend. 669 00:35:40,012 --> 00:35:42,807 Don was-- he probably pulled that robbery because Don-- 670 00:35:42,807 --> 00:35:45,393 he did a lot of stuff back in the day. 671 00:35:45,393 --> 00:35:46,144 Take it easy. 672 00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:47,520 All right. 673 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,523 Guy's been locked up for 30 years behind a crime 674 00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:52,316 that this guy committed. 675 00:35:52,316 --> 00:35:55,153 I appreciate you being concerned and asking about it. 676 00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:56,320 Thank you. 677 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,822 Do you have a address or a number 678 00:35:57,822 --> 00:35:59,490 where I can reach him at? 679 00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:00,992 Don wasn't worth a shit. 680 00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:05,454 I didn't have nothing to do with no shooting dope. 681 00:36:05,454 --> 00:36:07,957 Looking for Don Wallace is like looking 682 00:36:07,957 --> 00:36:10,751 for a dead bird in tall grass. 683 00:36:10,751 --> 00:36:13,713 You can't see him, but you can smell him. 684 00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:15,715 All right. 685 00:36:15,715 --> 00:36:17,550 That'll work. 686 00:36:23,764 --> 00:36:27,935 [MEDITATION BOWL SINGING] 687 00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:41,574 I got into meditation in prison. 688 00:36:41,616 --> 00:36:45,036 A lot of times at night after it gotten quiet, 689 00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:46,662 I would just lay in my bed and just 690 00:36:46,662 --> 00:36:51,584 meditate for maybe 45 minutes, sometimes a hour. 691 00:36:54,545 --> 00:36:56,297 It helped. 692 00:36:56,339 --> 00:37:01,093 It helped me get through my dilemma. 693 00:37:01,093 --> 00:37:03,429 Today, Johnnie Earl Lindsey was convicted 694 00:37:03,429 --> 00:37:06,182 of a rape at White Rock Lake after the victim picked him out 695 00:37:06,182 --> 00:37:08,226 of a photo lineup. 696 00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:10,895 Johnnie Lindsey was sentenced to life in prison. 697 00:37:13,773 --> 00:37:17,401 If you look at a place that is so quiet and peaceful, 698 00:37:17,401 --> 00:37:22,698 how could something so nice turn into something so ugly. 699 00:37:26,369 --> 00:37:28,454 They gave me a Court Appointed Attorney, 700 00:37:28,454 --> 00:37:31,499 and he told me, he said, "Man, you're going to prison." 701 00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:34,168 I said, "Man, where is the evidence?" 702 00:37:34,168 --> 00:37:36,128 He said, "They don't need none. 703 00:37:36,128 --> 00:37:38,839 A white female says that you assaulted her. 704 00:37:38,839 --> 00:37:42,468 That's all the prosecutor needs." 705 00:37:42,468 --> 00:37:44,804 And I said, "Well, man, I'm not guilty." 706 00:37:44,804 --> 00:37:49,642 He said, "Well, it doesn't make any difference." 707 00:37:49,642 --> 00:37:53,354 I kept thinking how can people be so heartless 708 00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:58,651 and just throw my life away just like it was a piece of trash. 709 00:38:12,999 --> 00:38:18,671 It always been a dream of mine to play the piano. 710 00:38:18,713 --> 00:38:21,674 I really don't know what I'm doing. 711 00:38:21,674 --> 00:38:24,677 But I just like making music. 712 00:38:24,677 --> 00:38:26,304 As long it's not noise. 713 00:38:32,893 --> 00:38:35,813 I was 30 when I went into prison. 714 00:38:35,855 --> 00:38:40,776 I was 56 when I was released. 715 00:38:40,776 --> 00:38:45,031 My opportunity to start a family, to raise kids-- 716 00:38:45,031 --> 00:38:46,866 I've missed that. 717 00:38:46,866 --> 00:38:48,826 And that's something that-- 718 00:38:48,826 --> 00:38:51,620 I don't care how much money they give me-- 719 00:38:51,620 --> 00:38:53,205 cannot replace that. 720 00:38:53,706 --> 00:38:58,210 [TIRES SCREECHING] 721 00:39:03,716 --> 00:39:06,677 [LAUGHS] 722 00:39:10,056 --> 00:39:14,769 I just cling on to the good things of life and being alive. 723 00:39:16,896 --> 00:39:19,815 And to put the icing on the cake, 724 00:39:19,857 --> 00:39:21,776 I found the woman of my dreams. 725 00:39:21,776 --> 00:39:24,487 The woman that I've always wanted. 726 00:39:24,487 --> 00:39:27,323 And now it's about staying in that moment. 727 00:39:27,323 --> 00:39:27,865 [LAUGHS] 728 00:39:27,865 --> 00:39:29,116 Shh. 729 00:39:29,116 --> 00:39:31,243 Shh. 730 00:39:34,205 --> 00:39:36,582 Houston police are continuing to work on the latest 731 00:39:36,624 --> 00:39:38,542 lead in a triple murder that occurred 732 00:39:38,542 --> 00:39:41,545 two weeks ago in a Northwest Houston bowling center. 733 00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:43,964 Last night, investigators return to the bowling center 734 00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:46,801 to stage a partial re-enactment of the execution style 735 00:39:46,801 --> 00:39:48,427 slayings. 736 00:39:48,427 --> 00:39:50,930 The test was conducted with a .357 Magnum, 737 00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:53,766 the size gun thought to have been used in the murders. 738 00:39:53,766 --> 00:39:53,808 the size gun thought to have been used in the murders. [GUN SHOTS] 739 00:39:53,808 --> 00:39:56,268 [GUN SHOTS] 740 00:40:01,774 --> 00:40:04,443 Max says, there were five bullets that were fired. 741 00:40:04,443 --> 00:40:06,028 One was a warning shot. 742 00:40:06,028 --> 00:40:09,740 Max says that everybody lined up along this area 743 00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:12,618 in this straight line. 744 00:40:12,618 --> 00:40:15,246 I used evidence from Houston Police Department 745 00:40:15,246 --> 00:40:17,998 as to where bullets were found. 746 00:40:17,998 --> 00:40:21,460 All of those bullets were found right in this very small area 747 00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:22,920 here. 748 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,965 One of the victims, a bullet went through his head 749 00:40:25,965 --> 00:40:27,341 at an angle. 750 00:40:27,341 --> 00:40:30,845 And as it came out the front of his face, 751 00:40:30,845 --> 00:40:33,264 it went into the carpeting and came out 752 00:40:33,264 --> 00:40:34,640 and hit him in the chest. 753 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,475 Some of the investigators thought 754 00:40:36,475 --> 00:40:38,310 that there were five bullets. 755 00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:40,980 Two holes-- one here, one here. 756 00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:42,815 They were both from the same bullet. 757 00:40:42,815 --> 00:40:44,191 It was four bullets. 758 00:40:44,191 --> 00:40:45,484 There's no question. 759 00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:47,361 That's crazy, man. 760 00:40:47,361 --> 00:40:52,366 The cop was totally saying, "It was five bullets." 761 00:40:53,576 --> 00:40:54,994 And that's basically all they had to go on. 762 00:40:54,994 --> 00:40:57,455 If you go back to the beginning, you 763 00:40:57,455 --> 00:41:00,374 will find Max being interrogated. 764 00:41:00,374 --> 00:41:03,502 And they're telling him what they think happened, 765 00:41:03,502 --> 00:41:05,838 and he ends up agreeing with them. 766 00:41:05,838 --> 00:41:09,216 And then they put it in writing, and Max signed it. 767 00:41:09,216 --> 00:41:12,470 Max went along with what the police theory was. 768 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,305 Max was wrong. 769 00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:22,605 When the bowling alley murders occurred 770 00:41:22,646 --> 00:41:24,690 I heard about them like everybody else in Houston 771 00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:25,483 heard about them. 772 00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:27,026 It was a horrific crime. 773 00:41:27,026 --> 00:41:29,570 I mean, I'd say I'd pay money to prosecute 774 00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:30,738 somebody that did that. 775 00:41:30,738 --> 00:41:33,407 So if we can find something that excludes 776 00:41:33,407 --> 00:41:36,827 Max Soffar from this case, how would you feel about that? 777 00:41:36,827 --> 00:41:39,580 Everything has been heard by 12 people. 778 00:41:39,580 --> 00:41:41,957 The Jury's heard all of this stuff. 779 00:41:41,957 --> 00:41:46,170 Could you have convicted Max Soffar without a confession? 780 00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:48,506 Could I have convicted Max Soffar without a confession? 781 00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:49,673 Yeah. 782 00:41:49,673 --> 00:41:50,758 No. 783 00:41:50,758 --> 00:41:52,134 OK, then. 784 00:41:52,134 --> 00:41:57,806 So Max Soffar-- inconsistencies in this confession-- 785 00:41:57,848 --> 00:41:59,058 you said that's not enough. 786 00:41:59,058 --> 00:42:00,351 Yeah. 787 00:42:00,351 --> 00:42:03,395 Max Soffar would not be where he is today-- 788 00:42:03,395 --> 00:42:04,522 If it weren't for you. 789 00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:07,691 - -no, if it wasn't for him. 790 00:42:07,691 --> 00:42:11,362 Before Max's trial, I was not a believer. 791 00:42:11,362 --> 00:42:14,949 But then I came to know Jesus Christ, as my Lord and Savior. 792 00:42:14,949 --> 00:42:16,951 What did this have to do with Max Soffar's case? 793 00:42:16,951 --> 00:42:17,785 What did it have to do with Max Soffar? 794 00:42:17,785 --> 00:42:19,453 What does it have to do? 795 00:42:19,453 --> 00:42:21,747 I'm going to tell you, if you'll just give me a moment. 796 00:42:21,747 --> 00:42:24,667 So when I got this case, I turned this case over 797 00:42:24,667 --> 00:42:26,210 to the Lord. 798 00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:27,253 And said, "Lord, I want to let you guide, direct me, and tell 799 00:42:27,253 --> 00:42:28,420 me what to do." 800 00:42:28,420 --> 00:42:30,256 I said, "Lord, I believe the guy did this, 801 00:42:30,256 --> 00:42:32,091 but I want you to be in control." 802 00:42:32,091 --> 00:42:34,593 On the day we had the start of the hearing, 803 00:42:34,593 --> 00:42:38,264 I get an email from "The Upper Room", 804 00:42:38,264 --> 00:42:41,767 which is a devotional that I used to get. 805 00:42:41,767 --> 00:42:43,936 "Fear not, for I have redeemed you. 806 00:42:43,936 --> 00:42:45,104 I have summoned you by name. 807 00:42:45,104 --> 00:42:46,605 You are mine. 808 00:42:46,605 --> 00:42:48,941 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you. 809 00:42:48,941 --> 00:42:50,317 When you pass through the rivers, 810 00:42:50,317 --> 00:42:51,860 they will not sweep over you. 811 00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:54,697 For I am the Lord your God, your Savior." 812 00:42:54,697 --> 00:42:57,283 If that wasn't a sign to me, that I 813 00:42:57,283 --> 00:42:59,118 was doing the right thing. 814 00:42:59,118 --> 00:43:01,996 And that the Lord was with me through all this process, 815 00:43:01,996 --> 00:43:03,998 then I don't know what was. 816 00:43:03,998 --> 00:43:07,251 I never try to judge nobody religion. 817 00:43:07,251 --> 00:43:09,962 But some time in our mind, we choose 818 00:43:09,962 --> 00:43:12,631 to just listen to our inner being 819 00:43:12,631 --> 00:43:14,592 because this is just what we want to hear. 820 00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:16,135 No. 821 00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:18,971 So when you ask the Lord for this guidance it was already 822 00:43:18,971 --> 00:43:22,099 in your mind, and in your heart and soul that-- 823 00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:23,309 it was already made up on it. 824 00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:24,810 Then I'm giving you false testimony. 825 00:43:24,810 --> 00:43:26,312 It was already made up in your mind. 826 00:43:26,312 --> 00:43:28,522 My belief is that God is in control of everything 827 00:43:28,522 --> 00:43:29,732 in heaven and earth. 828 00:43:29,732 --> 00:43:30,983 Because you felt that Max was guilty. 829 00:43:30,983 --> 00:43:32,234 When you were in the penitentiary, 830 00:43:32,234 --> 00:43:33,027 you were there because God wanted you there. 831 00:43:33,027 --> 00:43:34,320 Yes, it is [INAUDIBLE]. 832 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,571 With all due respect, you don't have a clue 833 00:43:35,571 --> 00:43:37,072 what happened in this case. 834 00:43:37,072 --> 00:43:40,326 I have no doubts that Max Soffar is on death row, 835 00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:41,493 and that's where he belongs. 836 00:43:41,493 --> 00:43:43,495 There's no evidence. 837 00:43:44,788 --> 00:43:47,666 We've sit here, and we've talked two hours. 838 00:43:47,708 --> 00:43:50,502 And all we have is this man's confession. 839 00:43:50,502 --> 00:43:53,839 And you have not one time put him 840 00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:56,342 there other than him putting himself into there 841 00:43:56,342 --> 00:43:57,801 like a cluck-head. 842 00:43:57,801 --> 00:44:01,347 Your attitude is the same attitude and demeanor 843 00:44:01,347 --> 00:44:04,433 of all prosecutors that I have met. 844 00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:08,145 There was at least 30 exonerees out of Dallas. 845 00:44:08,145 --> 00:44:11,106 And if you ask any one of them prosecutors, 846 00:44:11,106 --> 00:44:13,150 they're going to tell you-- at that time-- 847 00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:14,276 yeah, I know he was guilty. 848 00:44:14,276 --> 00:44:16,695 I'm 100% sure he was guilty. 849 00:44:26,830 --> 00:44:29,208 I want to tell you that the last time that I 850 00:44:29,208 --> 00:44:32,920 was here and soon as I left, we started talking 851 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,673 to people about your case. 852 00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:38,217 Yes, I tried to be strong. 853 00:44:38,217 --> 00:44:41,845 I remember that you're all working to try to help me. 854 00:44:41,845 --> 00:44:45,391 Remember that, a lot of people care, man. 855 00:44:45,391 --> 00:44:52,356 I was taken for a CT scan to treat me for hepatitis C. 856 00:44:52,398 --> 00:44:56,485 They did the x-ray and told me that they had found tumors 857 00:44:56,485 --> 00:44:58,404 on my liver. 858 00:44:58,404 --> 00:45:01,740 They tell me, "We're going to have to cut you open. 859 00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:04,368 We have to make sure we get everything." 860 00:45:04,368 --> 00:45:08,914 So they cut me from here, all the way to here. 861 00:45:08,914 --> 00:45:11,041 And opened it up. 862 00:45:11,041 --> 00:45:13,001 I didn't think I'd live through it. 863 00:45:13,001 --> 00:45:15,838 But no matter how much pain I may have, 864 00:45:15,838 --> 00:45:17,840 the most painful thing in the world 865 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:23,262 for me is the prosecutors, the homicide detectives are never 866 00:45:23,262 --> 00:45:27,433 going to say, "We knew he was innocent. 867 00:45:27,433 --> 00:45:29,184 We made a mistake." 868 00:45:29,184 --> 00:45:31,979 They don't want the truth. 869 00:45:31,979 --> 00:45:34,857 And the truth is what's going to set me free. 870 00:45:56,128 --> 00:45:57,755 My food? 871 00:45:57,796 --> 00:45:59,715 That's your food. 872 00:46:11,435 --> 00:46:13,645 If you're bad, I'm going to tickle you. 873 00:46:13,645 --> 00:46:17,649 [LAUGHS] 874 00:46:17,649 --> 00:46:19,735 I ain't ticklish. 875 00:46:19,735 --> 00:46:20,736 But I know you are. 876 00:46:20,736 --> 00:46:21,737 I know you are. 877 00:46:21,737 --> 00:46:24,698 [LAUGHS] 878 00:46:51,308 --> 00:46:53,685 I feel like, maybe-- 879 00:46:55,979 --> 00:47:00,526 some of it is my fault. I don't know. 880 00:47:00,567 --> 00:47:03,570 I don't know if y'all are holding me accountable 881 00:47:03,570 --> 00:47:05,155 for going to prison. 882 00:47:05,155 --> 00:47:07,825 Or this is just something that-- 883 00:47:10,577 --> 00:47:14,540 you trying to get over with but can't. 884 00:47:17,167 --> 00:47:19,586 I can't lie. 885 00:47:19,628 --> 00:47:23,757 The way I was raised, I wasn't raised up rough. 886 00:47:23,757 --> 00:47:26,718 You wasn't there for me. 887 00:47:26,718 --> 00:47:28,345 [SNIFFLES] 888 00:47:28,345 --> 00:47:29,847 There's a lot of people out there 889 00:47:29,847 --> 00:47:33,934 that do love you, and show you that they love you. 890 00:47:33,934 --> 00:47:38,939 But in order for you to make that right 891 00:47:40,107 --> 00:47:43,402 you've got to do right by yourself. 892 00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:46,321 And do by right by your child. 893 00:47:46,321 --> 00:47:48,240 You know I'm sorry. 894 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:54,788 I'm in some unfortunate circumstances right now. 895 00:47:54,830 --> 00:47:59,751 Talking about a child that needs to be raised by his parents. 896 00:47:59,751 --> 00:48:02,254 And that shit is not happening because both of y'all are 897 00:48:02,254 --> 00:48:04,590 locked up right now, man. 898 00:48:04,590 --> 00:48:10,804 Y'all got a beautiful, handsome, two-year-old boy that's just 899 00:48:10,846 --> 00:48:13,098 now being potty-- 900 00:48:13,098 --> 00:48:14,725 I potty trained your son. 901 00:48:14,725 --> 00:48:17,144 That's something you should have been doing. 902 00:48:17,144 --> 00:48:19,396 Yeah, there ain't a day that goes 903 00:48:19,396 --> 00:48:23,609 by that I don't think about my son, man, 904 00:48:25,777 --> 00:48:30,032 I think about it because I do care about it. 905 00:48:30,032 --> 00:48:33,952 There ain't nothing I can do about it right now. 906 00:48:33,952 --> 00:48:35,996 I sit here every day. 907 00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:41,919 I just say everything is going to be all right. 908 00:48:42,836 --> 00:48:44,963 I just try to keep faith in here. 909 00:48:49,384 --> 00:48:52,220 I know I'm strong, though, man. 910 00:48:59,019 --> 00:49:03,190 I ain't even going to lie, I ain't cried in so long, man. 911 00:49:05,984 --> 00:49:10,322 It's alright to shed a tear. 912 00:49:11,823 --> 00:49:13,992 Anything you want me to tell him? 913 00:49:18,288 --> 00:49:21,875 There's a lot you can tell him. 914 00:49:21,875 --> 00:49:26,129 You can tell him I love him and I miss him. 915 00:49:26,129 --> 00:49:27,881 I'll tell him. 916 00:49:27,881 --> 00:49:33,220 But I don't think I'm going to prison. 917 00:49:35,263 --> 00:49:41,353 We hope not, but we want you home. 918 00:49:41,353 --> 00:49:46,775 And hopefully, one day soon that you can be with your family. 919 00:49:48,485 --> 00:49:50,529 I love you, dude. 920 00:49:50,529 --> 00:49:52,364 I love you too, man. 921 00:49:53,991 --> 00:49:56,994 [SNIFFLES] 922 00:50:12,551 --> 00:50:17,723 My son was driving, and I was in the passenger seat. 923 00:50:17,723 --> 00:50:20,350 [POLICE SIREN] 924 00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:23,645 And I got stopped. 925 00:50:23,645 --> 00:50:26,565 This cop Googled my name. 926 00:50:26,565 --> 00:50:28,483 He was convinced I was a felon. 927 00:50:28,483 --> 00:50:30,485 I am not. 928 00:50:34,114 --> 00:50:37,909 When he shook me down, he found something. 929 00:50:40,328 --> 00:50:43,457 I had a little bit of cocaine in the truck. 930 00:50:55,635 --> 00:50:58,764 There's a real chance of a felony conviction here. 931 00:51:00,932 --> 00:51:03,643 And it's scary. 932 00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:12,819 OK. 933 00:51:12,861 --> 00:51:16,782 Don Wallace, we think, was a part of a aggravated robbery 934 00:51:16,782 --> 00:51:17,616 case. 935 00:51:17,616 --> 00:51:18,784 And I can't find him. 936 00:51:18,784 --> 00:51:21,620 Is there any possible way you can put me 937 00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:24,498 in the right direction of finding Don Wallace, please? 938 00:51:24,498 --> 00:51:27,626 I'm not the one to report anything about about Don. 939 00:51:27,626 --> 00:51:29,920 I've got in trouble myself and-- 940 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,338 Well, my story is the same. 941 00:51:31,338 --> 00:51:32,589 You know what I mean? 942 00:51:32,589 --> 00:51:34,132 My name is Christopher Scott, I went to prison 943 00:51:34,132 --> 00:51:37,719 for 15 years for a crime I didn't commit. 944 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,472 And the guy that we're trying to help get out of prison, 945 00:51:40,472 --> 00:51:43,725 he'd been locked up for 36 years for a crime he didn't commit. 946 00:51:43,725 --> 00:51:46,353 And we think Don Wallace committed this crime. 947 00:51:46,353 --> 00:51:49,815 I don't think a guy should be spent 36 years in prison 948 00:51:49,815 --> 00:51:51,566 for a crime he didn't commit. 949 00:51:51,566 --> 00:51:53,318 Well, last time I seen Don Wallace is-- 950 00:51:53,318 --> 00:51:55,153 I've heard talk about him. 951 00:51:55,153 --> 00:51:57,697 I think right now, he's been sick for the last 10 years. 952 00:51:57,697 --> 00:52:01,660 He had two or three strokes and he's disabled. 953 00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:03,245 Uh-huh. 954 00:52:03,245 --> 00:52:05,664 Well, I'm not going back into him doing any time like that. 955 00:52:05,664 --> 00:52:08,125 I don't know nothing about that because he's an old man now. 956 00:52:08,125 --> 00:52:09,334 No, no, no, no. 957 00:52:09,334 --> 00:52:10,836 Statutory limitation already ran out. 958 00:52:10,836 --> 00:52:14,339 He can't do no time nowhere because statutory limitations 959 00:52:14,339 --> 00:52:15,549 has ran out. 960 00:52:15,549 --> 00:52:18,009 That's why I'm trying to locate him. 961 00:52:18,009 --> 00:52:19,761 Well, let me give you a phone number here. 962 00:52:19,761 --> 00:52:21,555 And you can call this number. 963 00:52:21,555 --> 00:52:23,265 All right, I appreciate this, sir. 964 00:52:23,265 --> 00:52:25,100 Thanks for giving me this information. 965 00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:25,767 OK. 966 00:52:25,767 --> 00:52:27,727 Thank you. 967 00:52:28,895 --> 00:52:31,022 That's supposed to be his number. 968 00:52:39,906 --> 00:52:43,827 Yesterday, I did a phone search. 969 00:52:43,827 --> 00:52:48,373 And a phone search led me to these apartments right here. 970 00:52:48,373 --> 00:52:53,420 Hopefully, this is a good number for him. 971 00:52:57,132 --> 00:52:59,467 [PHONE BEEPING] 972 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,972 The person you have called is unavailable right now. 973 00:53:03,972 --> 00:53:05,473 Please try again later. 974 00:53:05,473 --> 00:53:07,392 What I'm thinking if the numbers is not correct, 975 00:53:07,392 --> 00:53:09,561 they just didn't want to give us the information to get in-- 976 00:53:09,561 --> 00:53:10,395 That's what it is. 977 00:53:10,395 --> 00:53:11,897 - -contact with him. 978 00:53:11,897 --> 00:53:14,191 So I'm just thinking that it was a smokescreen for him 979 00:53:14,191 --> 00:53:17,569 and we just got to go back to where we first started 980 00:53:17,569 --> 00:53:19,946 looking for him in, and try to beat the blocks up there 981 00:53:19,946 --> 00:53:20,697 or something. 982 00:53:20,697 --> 00:53:22,741 Yep. 983 00:53:36,254 --> 00:53:39,925 Last time I was here we was talking about Don Wallace. 984 00:53:39,925 --> 00:53:44,512 So have y'all heard any news about the whereabouts of Don Wallace? 985 00:53:44,512 --> 00:53:47,891 I ran into him down by the State Theater and The Paramount. 986 00:53:47,891 --> 00:53:49,309 Him and his daughter was together. 987 00:53:49,309 --> 00:53:50,769 Mm-hmm. 988 00:53:50,769 --> 00:53:52,729 He said that Quickie Pickie that's right there. 989 00:53:52,729 --> 00:53:53,855 Who? 990 00:53:53,855 --> 00:53:56,524 That Quickie Pickie right there on 12th and Chicon. 991 00:53:56,566 --> 00:53:57,442 12th and Chicon? 992 00:53:57,442 --> 00:53:58,944 Yeah. 993 00:53:58,944 --> 00:54:04,032 OK, right in that alley on that corner is a big house. 994 00:54:04,074 --> 00:54:06,576 He said he lives right there. 995 00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:24,761 Mr. Wallace, our thing is not to badger you or anything 996 00:54:24,803 --> 00:54:25,971 like that. 997 00:54:25,971 --> 00:54:27,430 Our thing is just trying to help Mr. Hill. 998 00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:31,518 He have done enough time for a bullshit case of $150, 999 00:54:31,518 --> 00:54:32,394 I think it was. 1000 00:54:32,394 --> 00:54:33,478 Mm-hmm. 1001 00:54:33,478 --> 00:54:35,146 That's too much time. 1002 00:54:35,146 --> 00:54:38,984 Somebody needs to step up, have a heart, 1003 00:54:38,984 --> 00:54:40,485 and try to help this man. 1004 00:54:40,485 --> 00:54:43,822 So this has nothing to do with the police or anything. 1005 00:54:43,822 --> 00:54:45,448 This is just trying to help. 1006 00:54:45,448 --> 00:54:48,493 Can't nobody be retried on the case no more. 1007 00:54:48,493 --> 00:54:50,245 It's dead and gone. 1008 00:54:50,245 --> 00:54:51,496 You know what I mean? 1009 00:54:51,496 --> 00:54:55,875 And we just want you to tell us what happened. 1010 00:54:55,875 --> 00:55:00,880 We checked into a motel and they didn't have no room for him. 1011 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,509 So I gave him money so he could get a room across the street 1012 00:55:04,509 --> 00:55:06,344 over there-- the other hotel. 1013 00:55:06,344 --> 00:55:08,471 About 2:00 or 3:00 o'clock the morning, 1014 00:55:08,471 --> 00:55:11,766 he's knocking on the door and he held out a bag of money. 1015 00:55:11,766 --> 00:55:13,351 And I said, "Man, if you don't get out 1016 00:55:13,351 --> 00:55:14,519 of here with all that money. 1017 00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:16,062 Where you get this from?" 1018 00:55:16,062 --> 00:55:19,065 He said, "I got it from that dude across the street." 1019 00:55:19,065 --> 00:55:21,443 I said, "Man, you went and robbed somebody?" 1020 00:55:21,443 --> 00:55:22,402 "Oh, no, no, no. 1021 00:55:22,402 --> 00:55:23,403 I talked him out of it." 1022 00:55:23,403 --> 00:55:25,363 That's what he said. 1023 00:55:25,363 --> 00:55:28,700 And so he went outside to hide the money. 1024 00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:30,452 By the time he comes back in, the police 1025 00:55:30,452 --> 00:55:34,748 kicked the door in right then and come on in the hotel. 1026 00:55:34,748 --> 00:55:37,292 And they took him on to jail. 1027 00:55:37,292 --> 00:55:39,711 And we didn't see him no more. 1028 00:55:39,711 --> 00:55:42,881 When you look at his arrest record, 1029 00:55:42,881 --> 00:55:46,551 would that be his MO to commit this type of robbery? 1030 00:55:46,551 --> 00:55:48,303 No. 1031 00:55:48,303 --> 00:55:52,098 But when you look at your rap sheet, 1032 00:55:52,098 --> 00:55:53,892 it would be more prone that you would 1033 00:55:53,892 --> 00:55:58,188 be the person that would have committed this type of robbery 1034 00:55:58,188 --> 00:56:01,733 because you have several assault cases, 1035 00:56:01,733 --> 00:56:05,612 and robberies on your rap sheet. 1036 00:56:05,612 --> 00:56:08,448 Yeah, some of them I didn't do. 1037 00:56:08,448 --> 00:56:10,033 I know about them, I know about them, 1038 00:56:10,033 --> 00:56:12,410 but I didn't do them though. 1039 00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:15,580 But they filed charges on me for it. 1040 00:56:15,580 --> 00:56:17,415 But I beat them all. 1041 00:56:17,415 --> 00:56:20,502 People just don't beat. 1042 00:56:20,502 --> 00:56:23,254 You probably had like five or six robbery cases 1043 00:56:23,254 --> 00:56:24,255 on your thing. 1044 00:56:24,255 --> 00:56:26,591 We looked at it. 1045 00:56:26,591 --> 00:56:29,719 People just don't beat five to six robbery cases. 1046 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,346 If they didn't do them, they do. 1047 00:56:31,346 --> 00:56:32,472 I just can't see that, man. 1048 00:56:32,472 --> 00:56:33,765 I ain't never did no robberies. 1049 00:56:33,765 --> 00:56:36,017 I've been a con man all my life. 1050 00:56:36,017 --> 00:56:38,436 And pimping hoes, I ain't never did nothing like that. 1051 00:56:38,436 --> 00:56:39,437 No drugs? 1052 00:56:39,437 --> 00:56:40,105 Hmm? 1053 00:56:40,105 --> 00:56:41,022 No drugs? 1054 00:56:41,022 --> 00:56:42,774 No, I didn't do no drugs. 1055 00:56:42,774 --> 00:56:46,194 You can bullshit people, but you can't bullshit the bullshitter. 1056 00:56:46,194 --> 00:56:48,863 Your story is not holding water. 1057 00:56:48,863 --> 00:56:50,490 That's all I'm saying. 1058 00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:53,827 Your story is not holding water. 1059 00:56:53,827 --> 00:56:56,246 This guy has been locked up 37 years man-- 1060 00:56:56,246 --> 00:56:57,664 37. 1061 00:56:57,664 --> 00:56:59,499 Imagine that. 1062 00:56:59,499 --> 00:57:01,960 See, you can't imagine that because you 1063 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,254 haven't did a lot of time like that for something 1064 00:57:04,254 --> 00:57:06,423 you didn't do. 1065 00:57:06,423 --> 00:57:09,509 And I say that because I've been in that same position. 1066 00:57:09,509 --> 00:57:11,886 Somebody had to come forward and testify 1067 00:57:11,886 --> 00:57:14,389 on my behalf to say they the one that did it. 1068 00:57:14,389 --> 00:57:16,599 That's how I got out of prison. 1069 00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:17,142 No, no. 1070 00:57:17,142 --> 00:57:18,476 Uh-uh. 1071 00:57:18,476 --> 00:57:19,811 I ain't done-- I wouldn't do it like that. 1072 00:57:19,811 --> 00:57:22,564 [NO AUDIO] 1073 00:57:49,883 --> 00:57:55,763 It's kind of dangerous playing with someone's hope in prison. 1074 00:57:58,141 --> 00:58:01,519 It's the only thing that's keeping them alive in there. 1075 00:58:09,027 --> 00:58:13,531 I really don't know what good I'm doing here. 1076 00:58:47,273 --> 00:58:48,775 Steve, man. 1077 00:58:48,816 --> 00:58:51,945 Man, we even went through hell and back, man. 1078 00:58:51,945 --> 00:58:56,950 And here you is just standing in the doorway of hell again. 1079 00:58:57,825 --> 00:59:00,245 Believe me, I'm not perfect. 1080 00:59:00,245 --> 00:59:03,665 Been a couple of times that I did hang-- 1081 00:59:03,665 --> 00:59:05,250 I was out with the wrong company, 1082 00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:08,419 but when I sit back and look, and I didn't just 1083 00:59:08,419 --> 00:59:10,380 think about myself. 1084 00:59:10,380 --> 00:59:14,008 I thought about all the people that would disappoint. 1085 00:59:14,008 --> 00:59:15,802 People depending on me. 1086 00:59:15,802 --> 00:59:20,306 Why would I want to jeopardize it with some nothing. 1087 00:59:20,306 --> 00:59:24,602 That was not supposed to be like that at all. 1088 00:59:25,937 --> 00:59:27,897 I can't even explain that shit. 1089 00:59:27,939 --> 00:59:29,941 What you're doing right now don't only affect you. 1090 00:59:29,941 --> 00:59:33,444 It affects all of us because you have a responsibility not 1091 00:59:33,444 --> 00:59:34,279 of just you. 1092 00:59:34,279 --> 00:59:35,446 Dang, man-- 1093 00:59:35,446 --> 00:59:37,240 We all about to try to free people. 1094 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,866 But how is going to look like-- 1095 00:59:38,866 --> 00:59:41,911 those guys is trying to get people free, 1096 00:59:41,911 --> 00:59:45,290 but you've got one of them that's always going to jail. 1097 00:59:45,290 --> 00:59:46,916 Dang, man. 1098 00:59:49,043 --> 00:59:51,963 I can't say anything, man. 1099 00:59:51,963 --> 00:59:53,339 I can't say shit. 1100 00:59:53,339 --> 00:59:54,549 I don't understand it, Steve. 1101 00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:55,758 I don't understand it. 1102 00:59:55,758 --> 00:59:56,926 I'm like Chris now. 1103 00:59:56,926 --> 00:59:58,386 What is your future? 1104 00:59:58,386 --> 00:59:59,721 What do you plan? 1105 00:59:59,721 --> 01:00:02,974 Right now, you can't plan a goddamn thing. 1106 01:00:02,974 --> 01:00:06,728 Because your future is in that judge's hand. 1107 01:00:06,728 --> 01:00:09,522 Man, you better get your mother fucking head right. 1108 01:00:09,522 --> 01:00:13,860 Because apparently you wasn't hurt bad enough from we 1109 01:00:13,860 --> 01:00:15,987 went through what we went through. 1110 01:00:15,987 --> 01:00:19,240 26 years-- man, I can't tell you how many nights I cried. 1111 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:20,742 It hurt me. 1112 01:00:20,742 --> 01:00:23,870 When I asked you a question about if you needed help, 1113 01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:25,413 you could of been and got it. 1114 01:00:25,413 --> 01:00:27,874 But it got to be in a fucked up situation for you 1115 01:00:27,874 --> 01:00:29,167 not to say nothing about it. 1116 01:00:29,167 --> 01:00:31,502 I was ashamed. 1117 01:00:31,502 --> 01:00:33,338 And I still am. 1118 01:00:33,338 --> 01:00:36,007 You're going to kick me in the ass behind the shame, dude? 1119 01:00:36,007 --> 01:00:38,217 Fuck being ashamed. 1120 01:00:38,217 --> 01:00:40,720 I think that's a cop-out out or something. 1121 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:45,725 Because you know us better than trying to pass judgment on you. 1122 01:00:46,184 --> 01:00:51,022 When I first got out, you were the only person that helped me. 1123 01:00:51,022 --> 01:00:54,359 And to see where we at right now, I 1124 01:00:54,359 --> 01:00:57,987 would never in the wildest fucking dreams 1125 01:00:57,987 --> 01:01:02,075 thought I'd be looking at Steven Phillips where he is right now. 1126 01:01:02,075 --> 01:01:03,701 Because you know why? 1127 01:01:03,701 --> 01:01:06,746 When I got out and you did what you did for me, 1128 01:01:06,746 --> 01:01:08,706 that made me look up to you. 1129 01:01:08,706 --> 01:01:11,709 I'm talking about I idolized what you was doing. 1130 01:01:11,709 --> 01:01:14,212 [SCOFFS] God, I was going to say something, man. 1131 01:01:14,212 --> 01:01:16,798 I talked to your brother about two years ago. 1132 01:01:16,798 --> 01:01:19,217 I said, "Hey, man, you know who I am?" 1133 01:01:19,217 --> 01:01:20,635 He looked me, right? 1134 01:01:20,635 --> 01:01:23,221 He said, "Yeah, I know who you are." 1135 01:01:23,221 --> 01:01:24,389 I said, "You do?" 1136 01:01:24,389 --> 01:01:26,099 He said, "Yeah, you're Steve Phillips." 1137 01:01:26,099 --> 01:01:30,228 [SCOFFS] He said, "Of course I know who you are." 1138 01:01:30,228 --> 01:01:34,691 So I didn't realize I was like that high, dude. 1139 01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:40,238 [SCOFFS] So I don't know if you get that or not. 1140 01:01:40,279 --> 01:01:41,823 I get it. 1141 01:01:41,823 --> 01:01:43,658 You got two good friends around you 1142 01:01:43,658 --> 01:01:46,160 right now that's not going to try to tell you nothing wrong, 1143 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,205 or try to help you do nothing wrong. 1144 01:01:49,205 --> 01:01:52,834 All we're concerned now is your well being. 1145 01:01:52,834 --> 01:01:55,086 Your other shit, I'm not going to even worry about it. 1146 01:01:55,086 --> 01:01:57,880 I'm just going to worry about what happened to you. 1147 01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:58,715 All right. 1148 01:01:58,715 --> 01:01:59,674 That's my brother. 1149 01:01:59,674 --> 01:02:00,591 I appreciate that, Johnnie. 1150 01:02:00,591 --> 01:02:01,426 Yeah. 1151 01:02:01,426 --> 01:02:02,260 That's my brother. 1152 01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:03,219 I love you for real. 1153 01:02:03,219 --> 01:02:04,429 I love you, with your big head. 1154 01:02:04,429 --> 01:02:05,430 I know, dude. 1155 01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:06,514 Now, get the hell out of here. 1156 01:02:06,514 --> 01:02:09,350 We going to do what we can. 1157 01:02:09,350 --> 01:02:11,018 All right, thanks for coming for me. 1158 01:02:11,018 --> 01:02:13,020 All right, babe. 1159 01:02:29,954 --> 01:02:32,123 When you come up for parole, do they 1160 01:02:32,123 --> 01:02:34,208 tell you why they set you off? 1161 01:02:34,208 --> 01:02:36,294 Yeah, the same thing. 1162 01:02:36,294 --> 01:02:37,503 Denying me parole. 1163 01:02:37,503 --> 01:02:39,130 They've been doing this since 1985. 1164 01:02:39,130 --> 01:02:40,757 They been over 28, or 29 years. 1165 01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:43,134 They've been doing the same thing, man. 1166 01:02:43,134 --> 01:02:44,802 That's excessive punishment, man. 1167 01:02:44,802 --> 01:02:46,137 Yes, sir. 1168 01:02:46,137 --> 01:02:47,972 Well, I'm going to tell you this, dude. 1169 01:02:47,972 --> 01:02:49,974 And I ain't going to sit up here and lie to you, 1170 01:02:49,974 --> 01:02:52,643 and make you no false promises saying, "I can get you out 1171 01:02:52,643 --> 01:02:55,480 of prison on this case right here," 1172 01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,648 because I don't want to give you no false hope. 1173 01:02:57,648 --> 01:03:00,860 But what I can do for you, I can at least talk to somebody 1174 01:03:00,860 --> 01:03:03,738 about helping you make parole. 1175 01:03:03,738 --> 01:03:05,615 And then we can try to figure out something 1176 01:03:05,615 --> 01:03:07,408 once you get out of prison. 1177 01:03:07,408 --> 01:03:09,827 You have done enough time. 1178 01:03:09,827 --> 01:03:11,996 I feel like I can get you out on parole. 1179 01:03:11,996 --> 01:03:13,998 Yes, sir. 1180 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,338 Isaiah Hill has did 40 years for a robbery 1181 01:03:20,379 --> 01:03:23,424 case, where nobody got hurt. 1182 01:03:23,424 --> 01:03:24,759 He's done too much time already. 1183 01:03:24,759 --> 01:03:25,343 Already. 1184 01:03:25,343 --> 01:03:26,844 Yeah. 1185 01:03:26,844 --> 01:03:29,388 This is the alternative we've just now come into. 1186 01:03:29,388 --> 01:03:33,893 If we can't get him exonerated, help him make parole. 1187 01:03:33,893 --> 01:03:38,022 They are going to be real reluctant to turn him loose. 1188 01:03:38,022 --> 01:03:41,317 And they probably fear, that when he gets out, 1189 01:03:41,317 --> 01:03:42,944 he's going to be wandering the streets. 1190 01:03:42,944 --> 01:03:45,863 There's going to be nobody there to mentor him. 1191 01:03:45,863 --> 01:03:49,742 So you have to have plans in place, 1192 01:03:49,742 --> 01:03:51,869 so they can be reasonably assured 1193 01:03:51,869 --> 01:03:54,956 if they parole this man, that he's 1194 01:03:54,956 --> 01:03:59,919 going to have a place to go to help him get settled in. 1195 01:03:59,919 --> 01:03:59,961 going to have a place to go to help him get settled in. And so if we can assure the parole board of that factor, 1196 01:03:59,961 --> 01:04:04,966 And so if we can assure the parole board of that factor, 1197 01:04:04,966 --> 01:04:07,718 I think that will go a long way to help get him a parole. 1198 01:04:10,221 --> 01:04:11,430 And we're faith based. 1199 01:04:11,472 --> 01:04:13,558 And I have the credentials that does say 1200 01:04:13,558 --> 01:04:15,852 that I'm a faith based counsel. 1201 01:04:15,852 --> 01:04:18,062 So we got a commercial kitchen here. 1202 01:04:18,062 --> 01:04:20,815 And on this side over here is our dining room. 1203 01:04:20,815 --> 01:04:23,651 This guy's going to need some type of help, 1204 01:04:23,651 --> 01:04:25,236 and some type of structure. 1205 01:04:25,236 --> 01:04:28,614 And I want him in a structured environment. 1206 01:04:28,614 --> 01:04:30,241 I understand where you're coming from. 1207 01:04:30,241 --> 01:04:32,243 And I don't have a problem with trying 1208 01:04:32,243 --> 01:04:34,579 to help an inmate get home. 1209 01:04:34,579 --> 01:04:37,123 Well, what we do is do life skills. 1210 01:04:37,123 --> 01:04:40,585 He'll learn about how to have a new quality of life. 1211 01:04:40,585 --> 01:04:43,796 Even if he had seen some things back then, 1212 01:04:43,796 --> 01:04:47,049 it has changed tremendously in our society. 1213 01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:50,928 So yeah, it's going to be a challenge. 1214 01:04:50,928 --> 01:04:52,430 He can be accepted here. 1215 01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:56,559 It all depends upon the State saying he can come to us. 1216 01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:58,102 That's the bottom line. 1217 01:05:24,378 --> 01:05:26,964 OK, give me your friends name. 1218 01:05:27,006 --> 01:05:28,007 Christopher Scott. 1219 01:05:28,007 --> 01:05:30,259 And where does he live? 1220 01:05:30,259 --> 01:05:32,637 He lives in Carrolton, Texas. 1221 01:05:34,805 --> 01:05:37,767 Hey, I'm being bonded out. 1222 01:05:38,392 --> 01:05:40,227 When I get on the road I'll give you a call. 1223 01:05:40,227 --> 01:05:41,729 How about that? 1224 01:05:41,729 --> 01:05:43,773 All right, bye. 1225 01:05:57,328 --> 01:06:00,331 Chris, Johnnie, they helped me to make bond. 1226 01:06:00,373 --> 01:06:01,958 Whether you're in there, or out here, 1227 01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:03,960 you know who's got your back. 1228 01:06:18,224 --> 01:06:19,433 Hey-ho. 1229 01:06:19,475 --> 01:06:21,018 I've got to figure out how I'm going 1230 01:06:21,018 --> 01:06:23,020 to pay all these lawyer bills. 1231 01:06:25,940 --> 01:06:27,858 This is a matching pair right here. 1232 01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:29,402 They both work good. 1233 01:06:29,402 --> 01:06:30,778 Yeah, you can sell those. 1234 01:06:30,778 --> 01:06:31,445 OK. 1235 01:06:31,445 --> 01:06:32,655 Sell those. 1236 01:06:32,655 --> 01:06:33,906 How about this coffee table right here? 1237 01:06:33,906 --> 01:06:36,283 It's got a matching part over here. 1238 01:06:36,283 --> 01:06:38,369 Sell the couch. 1239 01:06:38,369 --> 01:06:39,704 Sell that love seat. 1240 01:06:39,704 --> 01:06:41,288 Sell that. 1241 01:06:41,288 --> 01:06:43,708 See what's in here. 1242 01:06:43,708 --> 01:06:46,419 Texas law is pretty clear that if I get convicted 1243 01:06:46,419 --> 01:06:48,963 on this case, the compensation will end, 1244 01:06:48,963 --> 01:06:51,882 and I'd be basically out on the street. 1245 01:06:57,888 --> 01:07:01,892 Max Soffar's attorney told us something 1246 01:07:01,934 --> 01:07:05,688 about that this guy that is in Tennessee 1247 01:07:05,688 --> 01:07:08,649 that could have something to do with these bowling alley 1248 01:07:08,649 --> 01:07:09,442 murders. 1249 01:07:09,442 --> 01:07:10,234 That's him right there. 1250 01:07:10,234 --> 01:07:12,319 That's him right here. 1251 01:07:16,323 --> 01:07:20,661 Paul Reed lived in Houston in 1980, right here in this house, 1252 01:07:20,661 --> 01:07:21,912 right there. 1253 01:07:21,912 --> 01:07:25,458 It's about 11 miles from the bowling alley. 1254 01:07:25,458 --> 01:07:27,209 And he terrorized an entire city. 1255 01:07:27,209 --> 01:07:28,753 And that was actually eight homicides 1256 01:07:28,753 --> 01:07:30,254 we know that he's involved in. 1257 01:07:30,254 --> 01:07:33,841 He's received seven death sentences. 1258 01:07:33,841 --> 01:07:35,926 Y'all robbed places? 1259 01:07:35,926 --> 01:07:39,346 Yeah, we actually did over 25 robberies. 1260 01:07:39,346 --> 01:07:41,640 Criminally insane, is what he was. 1261 01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,184 There's some things I should have 1262 01:07:43,184 --> 01:07:46,228 done to stop him over the years, and I didn't do it. 1263 01:07:46,228 --> 01:07:48,439 And I feel bad about that. 1264 01:07:48,439 --> 01:07:51,233 The bowlers would bring the time sheets up, 1265 01:07:51,233 --> 01:07:52,651 and we'd ring them up. 1266 01:07:52,651 --> 01:07:54,487 We had this one guy come up. 1267 01:07:54,487 --> 01:07:56,113 I asked him, "Where's your time sheet? 1268 01:07:56,113 --> 01:07:58,949 I need it to be able to charge you." 1269 01:07:58,949 --> 01:08:00,451 He said, "I threw it away." 1270 01:08:00,451 --> 01:08:02,661 I said, "Well, you need to go get it." 1271 01:08:02,661 --> 01:08:04,497 He said, "No, I'm not going to go get it." 1272 01:08:04,497 --> 01:08:09,126 15, 30 minutes after, we kicked him out. 1273 01:08:09,126 --> 01:08:10,628 Get a phone call. 1274 01:08:10,628 --> 01:08:12,797 And he says, "Well, I'm the one that you kicked out. 1275 01:08:12,797 --> 01:08:15,132 And you better have eyes on the back of your head 1276 01:08:15,132 --> 01:08:17,134 because I'm going to blow your heads off." 1277 01:08:17,134 --> 01:08:21,180 It was less than a week later is when the shooting occurred. 1278 01:08:21,180 --> 01:08:23,307 I went to HPD and talked to a detective 1279 01:08:23,307 --> 01:08:25,810 and told them about this time sheet. 1280 01:08:25,810 --> 01:08:29,146 So did you testify in Max's case? 1281 01:08:29,146 --> 01:08:32,566 No, I never knew that it went to trial. 1282 01:08:32,566 --> 01:08:34,193 Aw, man. 1283 01:08:34,193 --> 01:08:35,694 That's sick. 1284 01:08:35,694 --> 01:08:39,281 Paul had told me that he had shot four people at a bowling 1285 01:08:39,281 --> 01:08:40,199 alley. 1286 01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:41,367 I asked him did he kill them. 1287 01:08:41,367 --> 01:08:43,494 He said, "No, they're all right now." 1288 01:08:43,494 --> 01:08:45,037 Did you actually believe him when 1289 01:08:45,037 --> 01:08:47,206 he said he didn't kill them. 1290 01:08:47,206 --> 01:08:49,625 Yeah, at that time I did because I didn't think 1291 01:08:49,625 --> 01:08:52,128 he was a stone cold killer. 1292 01:08:52,128 --> 01:08:54,505 This is the witness composite. 1293 01:08:54,505 --> 01:08:58,259 Does that match Paul Reed's description? 1294 01:08:58,259 --> 01:08:59,510 Sure it does. 1295 01:08:59,510 --> 01:09:01,720 That's Paul Reed. 1296 01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,639 There's no doubt in my mind. 1297 01:09:03,639 --> 01:09:06,350 He should have come forth and cleared Max Soffar 1298 01:09:06,350 --> 01:09:07,893 because Paul Reed did them. 1299 01:09:07,893 --> 01:09:08,519 Yeah. 1300 01:09:08,519 --> 01:09:09,728 Wow. 1301 01:09:11,230 --> 01:09:12,356 Yeah. 1302 01:09:12,356 --> 01:09:13,524 That's him. 1303 01:09:13,524 --> 01:09:14,441 That's him? 1304 01:09:14,441 --> 01:09:15,359 Yeah. 1305 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:16,861 I'll never forget his face. 1306 01:09:36,964 --> 01:09:38,174 This is mad. 1307 01:09:38,215 --> 01:09:40,718 Everything I've been going through for 35 years 1308 01:09:40,718 --> 01:09:42,386 is pure madness. 1309 01:09:42,386 --> 01:09:45,139 Why in God's name am I still here? 1310 01:09:45,139 --> 01:09:46,724 Why? 1311 01:09:46,724 --> 01:09:48,309 No one cares about justice. 1312 01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:50,603 They care about putting me on that gurney 1313 01:09:50,603 --> 01:09:53,564 and putting an end to it. 1314 01:09:53,564 --> 01:09:55,316 It's never too late. 1315 01:09:57,860 --> 01:09:59,653 I got faith in God. 1316 01:09:59,695 --> 01:10:04,617 But I'm saying, when teams of oncologists doctors, 1317 01:10:04,617 --> 01:10:08,871 get here and tell you, "You're dying." 1318 01:10:08,871 --> 01:10:11,582 You don't have nothing to hide anymore. 1319 01:10:11,582 --> 01:10:14,501 And then I'm reading about this disease I'm having. 1320 01:10:14,501 --> 01:10:17,087 Some say five months, some say with chemo 1321 01:10:17,087 --> 01:10:18,797 you might live eight. 1322 01:10:18,797 --> 01:10:23,802 But you have a death sentence that you cannot get out of. 1323 01:10:24,345 --> 01:10:26,847 It's not for the murders at 14441 1324 01:10:26,847 --> 01:10:30,100 in Northwest Freeway in Houston because I did not 1325 01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:33,062 commit those murders. 1326 01:10:33,062 --> 01:10:38,025 The victims' families deserve the truth. 1327 01:10:38,025 --> 01:10:40,152 That's the most painful thing in the world 1328 01:10:40,152 --> 01:10:42,655 for me is those families still look at me, 1329 01:10:42,655 --> 01:10:47,034 and still believe that I killed those people. 1330 01:10:47,034 --> 01:10:48,619 We're not going to stop. 1331 01:10:48,619 --> 01:10:55,834 We're not going to give up until we clear Max Soffar's name. 1332 01:11:23,988 --> 01:11:25,406 Raise your right hand for me. 1333 01:11:25,447 --> 01:11:26,573 State your name. 1334 01:11:26,573 --> 01:11:28,033 Christopher Scott. 1335 01:11:28,033 --> 01:11:29,326 Do you solemnly swear or affirm that these things are true, 1336 01:11:29,326 --> 01:11:30,577 correct, to the best of your knowledge? 1337 01:11:30,577 --> 01:11:31,245 Yes, ma'am. 1338 01:11:31,245 --> 01:11:33,414 Thank you. 1339 01:11:33,414 --> 01:11:36,500 So you are charged with two counts of first degree 1340 01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:37,876 aggravated robbery. 1341 01:11:37,876 --> 01:11:40,254 Pursuant to the plea agreements, I assess your punishment 1342 01:11:40,254 --> 01:11:42,756 as confinement in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice 1343 01:11:42,756 --> 01:11:45,718 where you shall serve a period of seven years. 1344 01:11:45,718 --> 01:11:47,678 It is the order judgment in decree of the court 1345 01:11:47,678 --> 01:11:48,554 that you would take-- 1346 01:11:48,554 --> 01:11:51,015 [VOICE FADES] 1347 01:12:12,619 --> 01:12:14,204 What's that? 1348 01:12:14,204 --> 01:12:16,623 It's a letter from your daddy. 1349 01:12:16,623 --> 01:12:17,291 Yeah? 1350 01:12:17,291 --> 01:12:18,375 Papa and daddy? 1351 01:12:18,375 --> 01:12:19,043 Yeah. 1352 01:12:19,043 --> 01:12:19,668 Hold on. 1353 01:12:19,668 --> 01:12:20,336 It say-- 1354 01:12:20,336 --> 01:12:21,545 [INAUDIBLE] 1355 01:12:21,545 --> 01:12:25,466 "It hurts me that I'm not here with you. 1356 01:12:25,466 --> 01:12:30,471 Every day I'm away from you, takes a piece of my soul away. 1357 01:12:31,513 --> 01:12:34,099 But I love you more than anything in this world. 1358 01:12:36,977 --> 01:12:39,605 Soon, it will be over. 1359 01:12:39,646 --> 01:12:41,065 I love you so much." 1360 01:12:41,065 --> 01:12:42,399 Papa. 1361 01:12:42,399 --> 01:12:46,904 "Your dad, Christopher Shun Scott Jr." 1362 01:12:46,904 --> 01:12:48,238 Hold it? 1363 01:12:48,238 --> 01:12:49,114 You want to hold it? 1364 01:12:49,114 --> 01:12:51,075 Yeah. 1365 01:13:07,674 --> 01:13:10,177 And I don't know what the city thinks about this. 1366 01:13:10,177 --> 01:13:11,970 My neighbor's probably think, oh, my gosh. 1367 01:13:11,970 --> 01:13:15,099 The Beverly Hillbillies are back. 1368 01:13:15,099 --> 01:13:17,142 Right now, the electricity is off. 1369 01:13:17,142 --> 01:13:19,228 Got some water, but no hot water. 1370 01:13:36,620 --> 01:13:39,289 A judge is going to make a ruling on whether they 1371 01:13:39,331 --> 01:13:42,126 had probable cause to search. 1372 01:13:42,126 --> 01:13:47,131 If he rules in my favor, it could dismiss the case. 1373 01:13:47,798 --> 01:13:50,926 If he rules against me, they're going to set the case for trial 1374 01:13:50,926 --> 01:13:53,011 in a month or two. 1375 01:13:57,850 --> 01:14:01,395 If I'm convicted, I could do a stretch of prison time. 1376 01:14:01,437 --> 01:14:03,522 I don't know if I can handle that. 1377 01:14:20,831 --> 01:14:26,503 For the record in CF-1410, The State vs. Steven Charles Phillips. 1378 01:14:26,545 --> 01:14:29,339 This court's opinion is, based on the totality 1379 01:14:29,339 --> 01:14:33,177 of the circumstances, that the evidence should be suppressed 1380 01:14:33,177 --> 01:14:36,430 as fruit of the poisonous tree. 1381 01:14:36,430 --> 01:14:38,348 The demurrer is sustained. 1382 01:14:38,348 --> 01:14:40,434 You are excused. 1383 01:14:44,646 --> 01:14:48,525 The judge ruled in my favor that the search was illegal. 1384 01:14:50,235 --> 01:14:52,237 But I'm a little bit surprised. 1385 01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,366 Been a pretty tough six months here. 1386 01:14:58,535 --> 01:14:59,912 And it has cost me-- 1387 01:14:59,953 --> 01:15:01,538 a lot. 1388 01:15:03,624 --> 01:15:05,792 [CHURCH BELLS RINGING] 1389 01:15:05,959 --> 01:15:08,754 Father God, we come to you to celebrate 1390 01:15:08,754 --> 01:15:11,882 the life of Max Soffar. 1391 01:15:11,882 --> 01:15:13,342 Father, we just pray for the family 1392 01:15:13,342 --> 01:15:14,885 that you would comfort them. 1393 01:15:14,885 --> 01:15:17,804 And we thank you for your blessings, in Jesus' name. 1394 01:15:17,804 --> 01:15:20,265 Amen. 1395 01:15:20,265 --> 01:15:24,186 Max spent essentially his entire adult life in prison. 1396 01:15:24,186 --> 01:15:29,858 From 1981, Max entered death row to last Sunday, when he died. 1397 01:15:29,858 --> 01:15:33,987 State of Texas executed 537 people. 1398 01:15:33,987 --> 01:15:36,073 Far surpassing every other state. 1399 01:15:39,576 --> 01:15:42,955 Max never stopped believing he would be exonerated 1400 01:15:42,996 --> 01:15:47,709 because he was 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt, innocent. 1401 01:15:49,461 --> 01:15:51,505 He planned to win at the Fifth Circuit 1402 01:15:51,547 --> 01:15:53,799 in the hearing that was set for just a few days ago 1403 01:15:53,799 --> 01:15:56,176 on Wednesday. 1404 01:15:56,176 --> 01:15:57,970 And he wanted to start making arrangements 1405 01:15:57,970 --> 01:15:59,930 to get decent medical treatment. 1406 01:16:03,392 --> 01:16:06,853 The state didn't use the lethal injection, 1407 01:16:06,895 --> 01:16:10,190 the state didn't use the electric chair, 1408 01:16:10,190 --> 01:16:13,318 but in a lot of ways, the state killed Max. 1409 01:16:15,779 --> 01:16:21,577 The first time I laid my eyes on Max, it was a connection. 1410 01:16:21,618 --> 01:16:25,372 It's a lot of more Max Soffars in prison right now. 1411 01:16:25,372 --> 01:16:28,500 It's so many more. 1412 01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:33,338 I know Max would want us to fight for them. 1413 01:16:33,338 --> 01:16:36,300 [CHURCH BELLS RINGING] 1414 01:17:16,173 --> 01:17:18,008 What's up, dude? 1415 01:17:18,050 --> 01:17:19,926 [LAUGHS] 1416 01:17:19,926 --> 01:17:21,178 Lord, have mercy, Jesus. 1417 01:17:21,178 --> 01:17:22,471 [INAUDIBLE] 1418 01:17:22,471 --> 01:17:24,181 Man, thank God. 1419 01:17:24,181 --> 01:17:26,600 With y'all to help, I'm so happy. 1420 01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,561 [CRYING] 1421 01:17:38,278 --> 01:17:40,280 What is that? 1422 01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:41,948 That your phone singing? 1423 01:17:41,948 --> 01:17:42,824 Want to see this? 1424 01:17:42,824 --> 01:17:43,950 Who is that? 1425 01:17:43,950 --> 01:17:44,910 That's you, man. 1426 01:17:44,910 --> 01:17:48,121 Is that me? 1427 01:17:48,121 --> 01:17:50,707 Oh, man. 1428 01:17:50,707 --> 01:17:52,376 I got you. 1429 01:17:54,544 --> 01:17:55,754 There's a bunch of pictures. 1430 01:17:55,796 --> 01:17:57,756 Man, man, man. 1431 01:17:57,756 --> 01:18:00,550 Now, did somebody want a steak back here? 1432 01:18:00,550 --> 01:18:02,010 Yes, ma'am. 1433 01:18:02,010 --> 01:18:03,220 Yeah. 1434 01:18:06,139 --> 01:18:07,349 Yeah, Lord. 1435 01:18:07,349 --> 01:18:09,351 [LAUGHTER] 1436 01:18:09,351 --> 01:18:10,519 Can I ask you a question, ma'am? 1437 01:18:10,519 --> 01:18:11,228 Sure. 1438 01:18:11,228 --> 01:18:12,729 I ain't hugged a lady in 40 years. 1439 01:18:12,729 --> 01:18:13,563 Get up. 1440 01:18:13,563 --> 01:18:14,231 Can I give you a hug? 1441 01:18:14,231 --> 01:18:15,148 Just get up. 1442 01:18:15,148 --> 01:18:17,067 [LAUGHS] Lord, thank you, Lord. 1443 01:18:17,067 --> 01:18:19,444 Thank you. 1444 01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:20,862 Congratulations. 1445 01:18:20,862 --> 01:18:22,614 Thank you, ma'am. 1446 01:18:22,614 --> 01:18:23,990 I don't mean no harm. 1447 01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:25,784 You're not going to hurt a thing. 1448 01:18:25,784 --> 01:18:27,244 Thank you. 1449 01:18:37,963 --> 01:18:42,551 [QUIET CRYING] 1450 01:18:50,851 --> 01:18:55,856 [SNIFFLES] 1451 01:19:28,430 --> 01:19:30,807 Give me one. Give me one. 1452 01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,106 Ah. 1453 01:19:38,106 --> 01:19:39,816 Got him all hooked up. 1454 01:19:55,999 --> 01:20:00,587 [APPLAUSE] 1455 01:20:02,464 --> 01:20:05,967 [LAUGHING] 1456 01:20:24,528 --> 01:20:26,363 Just like that. 1457 01:20:26,363 --> 01:20:28,907 [LAUGHS] 1458 01:20:45,882 --> 01:20:51,805 Alrighty, got a letter from Michael's Unit, [INAUDIBLE],, 1459 01:20:54,057 --> 01:20:56,101 Tennessee Colony. 1460 01:20:57,269 --> 01:21:01,606 He says, "I was wrongly convicted and I need help. 1461 01:21:02,732 --> 01:21:05,902 Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." 1462 01:21:05,902 --> 01:21:06,820 Martin Luther King. 1463 01:21:06,820 --> 01:21:09,155 Martin Luther King said that. 1464 01:21:09,155 --> 01:21:11,658 It says, "To whom it may concern, 1465 01:21:11,658 --> 01:21:15,579 I'm an innocent man wrongly serving a 45 year term. 1466 01:21:15,579 --> 01:21:19,875 I pled not guilty, and I stand by my innocence. 102845

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