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We'd like to carry on now
with a song featuring just Paul,
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and it's called Yesterday.
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I dreamed this.
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I was in a little top floor flat
at my girlfriend's house.
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I, I woke up with this tune.
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I thought, "I love this tune.
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"This must be from my dad's era
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or just like some old tune."
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So I just started‐‐
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So I had that, but I couldn't carry
the piano with me.
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So, you know, I, I transposed it
onto a guitar.
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Said to people‐‐ first of all, John.
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‐ Yeah.
‐ Said, "What's this?"
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You know?
He said, "I don't know."
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I said, "No, this tune,
it must be something.
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We‐we've heard it."
He said, "I don't know."
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So I took it to George Martin,
our producer,
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and George has got
a wider knowledge
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of particularly older songs.
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So I said, "What's this?"
He said, "I don't know."
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I said, "Well, I've called it Yesterday."
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He said, "Well, there is
a song called Yesterdays."
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I said, "I'm not worried about the title.
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It's this melody, you know,
because I, I can't have written it..."
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ 'Cause I didn't‐‐ there was
no conscious effort involved.
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‐ Yeah.
‐ I just woke up and it was there.
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So, you know, people later would say
to me, you know,
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"Do you believe in magic?"
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I said, "Well, I have to."
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You know? I mean,
how did that happen?
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‐ Yeah.
‐ I'm sleeping.
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Going "..."
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I love this song. I love it.
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Wake up. Now the difference is,
I remembered it.
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‐ Yes.
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‐ I think a lot of people hear
beautiful music in their dreams.
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‐ Yes.
‐ But don't necessarily remember it.
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‐ I wonder if you didn't have
a piano there,
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if you would have been able
to remember it.
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ You know, waking up,
and luckily, there was a piano.
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‐ Yeah, it's true.
It was very lucky, yeah.
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‐ But in those days, you had
to remember a lot of things...
‐ You have to! Yeah.
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‐ ...because you didn't‐‐ we weren't able
to record things so easily.
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‐ You weren't able to record things.
‐ At all.
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‐ There was, like, no phones
to do it, obviously.
‐ Yeah.
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‐ The only things were these big
Grundig tape recorders
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with a green eye on them.
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‐ Which you wouldn't always have
in your pocket.
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‐ You wouldn't even have in your home.
‐ Really?
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‐ Because, yeah, you've got to have
a bit of money to have them.
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I'd recorded it just
with the guitar and vocal.
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And I'd said to the guys
in the band, I said,
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"What are you going
to do," you know?
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And they all said,
"No, I don't think we need to do anything.
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You should just do it on your own."
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So it's like the first time, I think,
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I'd ever done like a solo thing.
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So I just played on guitar.
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And George Martin said,
"For safety, let's just do one more,"
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and this was the second take
that they used.
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And then we're sitting around
listening to it.
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‐ And I'm thinking...
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‐ "Yeah." You know, "sounds nice."
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Yeah.
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‐ And George said, he's got
this idea to put strings on it.
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He said, "I think it'd be great
with a string quartet."
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I'm going, "No." I mean...
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‐ And you guys had never used
strings before this.
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‐ No. And plus
we're a rock‐and‐roll band.
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You don't use strings.
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So George being very smart,
he said, "Well, let's try it."
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ "And if you hate it,
we can take it off."
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So he did try it.
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Yeah, so I loved it.
I loved the session.
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Right away, like right away.
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When you first heard it,
was it jarring or good experience?
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‐ No, it was great, you know,
'cause it's just me
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with George up in the control room.
‐ Yeah.
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‐ And we go down and we sit
and meet the string players,
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just a little quartet.
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‐ And I was really excited.
Yeah.
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Because we'd never done
anything like this,
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and it suddenly made it feel whole.
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- George Martin was a huge help in that...
- Yeah.
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‐ ...in as much as he could write it,
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you know, normally you,
you've got a song
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and you have to get
an outside arranger in.
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ And then he sort of goes off
into a cupboard somewhere,
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and you don't quite know
what it's going to be.
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But with George, you knew that
we read each other well enough.
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The funny thing was
when we were shown notation,
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it didn't mean anything to us,
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still doesn't really mean anything to me.
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Even though I work
with a classical orchestra
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and do a huge orchestral piece,
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I will have to talk it through
with them rather than say,
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"Um, the B flat in bar 14,
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that should be a B, not a B flat."
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You know? After going,
"No, that note there should be‐‐"
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‐ You know, I know‐‐
‐ Lower or higher.
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Yeah. Lower or higher.
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But, um, that's how we did it.
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And my excuse, there is an excuse,
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because coming from Liverpool,
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there's a lot of sort of
Irish Celtic influence.
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And the Celts never
wrote anything down.
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It's the bardic tradition.
‐ Yeah.
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‐ So that's our excuse.
‐ Yeah.
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‐ Me and John used to say,
"Yeah, it was the bardic tradition."
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‐ When you were kids
starting to write songs,
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what would you hear
on the radio typically?
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‐ In the early days,
there wasn't much on radio.
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There was just one
or two cool DJs,
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but we were listening to records
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and it'd be a lot of R&B,
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things like Ray Charles,
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and Little Richard,
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Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis,
Isley Brothers,
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we'd cover all those.
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I thought I was
Ray Charles, in my head.
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Were records easy to come by?
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Was it a popular thing at the time?
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‐ Yeah. I mean, you could go
to a record shop
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and you'd go in the booths
and you'd listen.
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The main thing was finance.
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You didn't have that much money.
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So you'd have to save up
to buy an LP
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or concert tickets.
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We all started, all the bands,
started off doing covers
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when we were in Hamburg
and in The Cavern in Liverpool,
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it was pretty much all covers.
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So I would do Long Tall Sally
by Little Richard.
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But so did one of the other groups.
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There was a group called
Derry and the Seniors.
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And, and Derry, he could do‐‐
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He could do that,
you know, and so it was like,
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"Well, I want to do it better."
‐ Yeah.
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‐ Because if you were backstage
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and you were going to be on after them...
‐ Yeah.
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You'd go, "" you know,
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"Well, I was going to do that."
‐ Yeah.
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‐ And you actually
didn't have time to change,
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so you would do that.
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You'd go on and just hope
your version was better.
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I remember we used to do
a three‐four thing,
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The original version was by James Ray.
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‐ It was a real cool little thing,
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and I said, we'd never heard
this beat.
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Like a waltz,
a rock‐and‐roll waltz,
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so we did this.
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And I remember a couple
of the London bands coming up,
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"Play If You Gotta Make
a Fool of Somebody."
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Because it was‐‐
they'd not heard anything like this.
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‐ Yeah. Where would you
have heard it?
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‐ On record. George had the album,
James Ray album.
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And he took‐‐ he later,
much later, he got,
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‐ That was a James Ray, off that album.
‐ Wow! Wow!
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‐ So George remembered that.
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But we'd have these little
oddball songs that we'd put in
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because we were playing so many hours.
‐ Yeah.
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‐ We didn't want to get bored.
‐ Yeah.
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Just keep it interesting.
‐ We just‐‐ we could not have handled it
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if we'd‐‐ every set we played
the same lot of songs.
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So we started to think,
"Well, you know what?
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If we wrote stuff, they wouldn't know it."
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Nobody would be able to access it.
It'd be private to us.
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So that's actually what started‐‐
‐ Yeah.
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‐ It wasn't a great light bulb went off.
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It was sheer necessity
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to have something
the other bands couldn't play.
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- Quite, quite brisk.
- Moderate Alto Fox Trot.
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The red light's on.
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Is it? Of course,
I couldn't see.
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One, two, three, four!
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‐ Wow.
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Wow.
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‐ The two of them are cooking!
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Like‐‐ ‐ Yeah.
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‐ Cooking.
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‐ And we're listening
with the drums out,
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and it's still full‐on cooking.
‐ Yeah.
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It's good, innit? Yeah.
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‐ Wow.
‐ Well, that's the thing.
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You can hear the excitement
of us just making stuff up.
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‐ For sure. For sure.
‐ Can't you?
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It's just like, "Yeah.
Let's do that." "Okay."
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‐ You know?
‐ It, it sounds thrilling.
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Like, and I think what it is,
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is you guys were excited making it.
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‐ And we get to feel your excitement.
‐ Yeah.
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‐ You can‐‐ It's a human feeling
that's in that performance.
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ Clearly, these guys are going for it.
‐ Yeah.
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Really. Yeah.
‐ And you feel it.
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‐ Because it all had
to be done so quickly.
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‐ Yeah, it's contagious, you know.
Like, the energy is contagious.
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‐ Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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‐ It has‐‐ To me,
it has a Celtic flavor.
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I don't know why that is.
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‐ Well, you know, I mean,
we're Liverpool boys,
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and they say Liverpool is
the capital of Ireland.
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So it's likely that
there's all those influences, you know.
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But we would just make up
the solo, in this case,
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and just learn the harmony and the solo
and then play the two live.
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‐ So‐‐ But technically, this isn't
what you think of as the song.
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This was a musical choice
you made in the studio.
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‐ Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
‐ The song would have been more‐‐
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‐ Yeah. Really straightforward.
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‐ Yeah. This is more traditional
until we get to‐‐
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‐ Yeah! The solo, yeah.
‐ Yeah.
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‐ Yeah.
‐ It's amazing.
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Good group.
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‐ Was there ever a time
where you guys would sing unison
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as opposed to harmony?
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‐ Yeah. Always on the early records.
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That was the thing because
we'd written the song together.
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ And we'd sing it together.
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Just, just kind of remember it
and just sing it.
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And George Martin would say,
"Who's the lead singer?"
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We'd say, "Well, me and John."
‐ Yeah.
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‐ So it was like
early double tracking.
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‐ Yeah, yeah.
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‐ And also, it might just have been
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that both of us wanted to do the vocal.
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ So there's only one answer
to that, both do it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Would you sit down
to write a song
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or... does it just happen?
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‐ With John and I, we'd sit down.
‐ Yeah.
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And you would know,
"I'm coming over tomorrow at noon.
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We're going to meet
at this time and let's write."
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‐ Yeah, yeah.
And we'll just write something.
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‐ I wrote this song while waiting
for John to get up.
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I used to go out
to his house to write.
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He wasn't always ready,
shall we say.
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So I'm just sitting out
with my guitar
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and started working on this one.
244
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And then when John had come,
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I said, "Look, I've got this."
"Great, let's finish it up."
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And so we'd finish it up together.
247
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This was a tune I was always
very pleased with, you know.
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People say, "Which is
your favorite tune of yours?"
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ And I'm kind of tempted to say Yesterday
because it arrived so magically.
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But I like this one.
I like Here, There, and Everywhere.
252
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And in fact,
John liked this one.
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And John was not one to praise.
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ Because, you know, we've talked
about him being a little bit shielded.
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ You know, he just wouldn't praise
anything unless he really liked it.
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After we'd made this record,
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we were going to film
in Austria for the film Help.
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Yes.
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And me and John shared a ski chalet,
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so we were taking our boots off and stuff
as we were playing the album.
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I remember him saying,
"I like this one."
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And you know what?
That was, like, enough.
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‐ Yeah.
266
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‐ That was a great praise
coming from John.
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‐ It's pushing the bass notes too.
268
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‐ Yeah.
‐ And the guitar.
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Cool.
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‐ Incredible harmony.
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‐ Incredible.
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Did you take turns,
like John would do a song
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and then you would do a song
and back and forth,
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- that's how it would work?
- Yeah. Often. Yeah.
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It would be his song,
my song, his song, my song.
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Yeah.
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‐ I mean, I say this a lot,
but as a Beatles' fan now,
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it is astounding to me
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that, I think, all in all,
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I think John and I wrote
just short of 300 songs,
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and every session, we finished the song.
282
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You'd think that there'd be at least ten
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where we just couldn't get it.
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But there was something
about the work ethic
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or just the‐‐ knowing each other so well,
286
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that we would spur each other on
287
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and we just didn't like to leave it.
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"We haven't done it.
We haven't finished it."
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So we would, we would go
till we, till we finished stuff,
290
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um... and we did.
291
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We pretty much did.
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‐ It's amazing.
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‐ It was, it was great.
You know, I say, I look back,
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at the time I was just working
with this bloke called John.
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ Now I look back, and I was working
with John Lennon.
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I knew this was like a, a big song
298
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from the minute John brought it in
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and we started working on it.
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Yeah.
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So I mean, that was like,
I'd been, by that time,
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this is, this is quite late
in The Beatles.
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And I'd been listening to, like,
a lot of avant garde music.
304
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‐ Yeah.
‐ I was in London.
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I was hanging out,
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and, you know,
we're getting quite artsy
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and going to a lot of arts exhibitions.
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And I was, you know,
reading about crazy composers,
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like John Cage.
‐ Yeah.
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‐ The concepts were like,
wow, very freeing.
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‐ John Cage and Water Walk.
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I don't want to do that,
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but I love the idea that he did it.
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I said to George Martin,
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"George, we need
a symphony orchestra."
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And George originally said,
"I don't think‐‐ We don't need that many."
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He said, "It's a full symphony, which is
like over 40 people or something."
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I said, "Yeah, this song,
we, we, we want it."
319
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So then the original thing
that I put down was,
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from a certain point,
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all the musicians
were allowed to break free.
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And now these are session musicians.
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They're not used to doing
this kind of stuff,
324
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and it kind of frightens them a bit.
325
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So I sort of said,
"Okay, here's the instruction.
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I said, "Each instrument,
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"you start on your lowest note
328
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"and you're going
to reach your highest note,
329
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"but you go at your own speed.
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"So if you want, you can go,
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‐ and you're done."
‐ Yeah.
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"Or you can go...
333
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and you can just play with it."
334
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The strings wouldn't really move
without each other.
335
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They all went...
336
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‐ They're following the first guy.
337
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
338
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‐ Whereas the brass, the trumpets,
you'll notice they're a bit more free.
339
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They're a bit more, the lads‐‐
340
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‐ Yeah. They tend to have
that personality in real life.
341
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Their personality showed.
342
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Let's listen to the‐‐
‐ It's very exciting doing that piece of‐‐
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‐ Beautiful.
344
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So this, John brought it in.
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- Yeah.
- Guitar and vocals.
346
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‐ The Kenwood basses together support it.
‐ Yeah.
347
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‐ He's working hard.
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‐ Moving again.
349
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‐ Yeah.
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‐ It's, it's just so interesting
that the‐‐
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Listening to the vocal and the guitar,
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it's a very laid‐back, dreamy energy.
353
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Yeah.
354
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‐ And then the bass comes in
and it's‐‐
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‐ And the drums. Yeah.
‐ And the drums.
356
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‐ But it's driving in
an entirely different direction
357
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than the song might suggest.
358
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‐ Yeah.
359
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You know, it's great
that I felt that freedom.
360
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‐ Absolutely. Absolutely.
361
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‐ You know, the band was a very free band.
‐ Yeah.
362
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‐ We would allow each other
pretty much anything.
363
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‐ Yeah.
364
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Unless it was, like, really stunk
and it was, like, "No, forget it."
365
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Um, then we'd all gang up
on whoever that was and stop it.
366
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‐ Yeah.
367
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‐ And this is
my childhood experiences.
368
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You know, going to school.
369
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‐ I used to go to school
on the bus, you know.
370
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‐ Maybe I didn't have a smoke
on the way to school.
371
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‐ Yeah.
372
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‐ But‐‐ ‐ Yeah.
373
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‐ For the purposes
of the song, yeah, exactly, yeah.
374
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‐ Poetic license.
‐ Yep.
375
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‐ Was that‐‐ Did you write this piece
to go with what John brought in,
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or did you already have this?
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‐ No. I already had
the little middle thing. Yeah.
378
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‐ Is this the first time you guys put
two songs together?
379
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‐ Could be.
380
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‐ It makes it new music.
381
00:22:44,927 --> 00:22:48,281
If you just started with what
would ordinarily accompany
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that kind of song, ‐ Yeah.
383
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‐ it would be a ballady,
a folky ballad.
384
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Yeah.
385
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‐ You know?
But to hear it come
386
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in this other direction,
unexpected...
387
00:22:59,107 --> 00:23:00,294
‐ Yeah.
388
00:23:00,317 --> 00:23:03,005
‐ it feels like we've never heard music
like this before by anybody,
389
00:23:03,028 --> 00:23:04,423
you know, that's the thing about it.
390
00:23:04,446 --> 00:23:08,259
It's like it takes
a traditionally written song
391
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and turns it into, essentially,
avant garde music,
392
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even using traditional instruments.
393
00:23:14,414 --> 00:23:17,894
‐ Yeah. Normally, you know,
it sort of worked like that.
394
00:23:17,919 --> 00:23:20,837
You could get away
with a lot of free playing.
395
00:23:23,090 --> 00:23:24,777
Piano. Who's playing piano,
do you know?
396
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,885
That's got to be me.
397
00:23:27,761 --> 00:23:29,596
‐ It does sound avant garde as well.
398
00:23:37,063 --> 00:23:38,355
‐ Ha!
‐ Wow.
399
00:23:40,983 --> 00:23:44,337
And then this piano end, this‐‐
400
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I'd realized, I'd noticed
that with the piano,
401
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how long,
402
00:23:49,576 --> 00:23:52,011
if you hold down a loud pedal
on the piano,
403
00:23:52,036 --> 00:23:55,391
how long the chord lasts.
404
00:23:55,414 --> 00:23:57,852
And I just do it like
a party piece with friends.
405
00:23:57,875 --> 00:23:59,195
‐ Yeah.
‐ I say, "Listen to this."
406
00:24:12,307 --> 00:24:15,160
I brought the idea in,
"Hey, man, it goes on forever.
407
00:24:15,183 --> 00:24:19,664
We should do this at the end of a song,
where it's just‐‐ have it go on."
408
00:24:19,689 --> 00:24:22,317
And of course, George Martin,
being a clever producer,
409
00:24:22,983 --> 00:24:24,920
magnified the idea.
410
00:24:24,943 --> 00:24:27,779
And he took the raw thing
that I'd showed him.
411
00:24:33,118 --> 00:24:36,873
George then added
another chord on top of it.
‐ Yeah.
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‐ But it goes on forever.
413
00:24:39,709 --> 00:24:41,519
‐ A really long time, and if you listen,
414
00:24:41,544 --> 00:24:43,146
it almost sounds like it changes.
415
00:24:43,171 --> 00:24:45,857
‐ Yeah, you start to hear
a little harmonica and things.
416
00:24:45,882 --> 00:24:48,843
Yeah. You know,
there's the magic again.
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