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150 years ago
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the business corporation
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was a relatively
insignificant institution.
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Today it is all pervasive.
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Like the church
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the monarchy
and the communist party
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in other times and places
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the corporation is today's
dominant institution.
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This documentary
examines the nature,
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evolution, impacts and
possible futures
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of the modern
business corporation.
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Initially given a narrow
legal mandate
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what has allowed today's
corporation to achieve
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such extraordinary power
and influence over our lives?
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We begin our inquiry as
scandals threaten to trigger
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a wide debate about the lack
of public control
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over big corporations.
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I think there is an overhang
over the market, of distrust.
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listen, 95 percent
or some percent
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huge percentage
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of the business
community are honest
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and uh, reveal
all their assets
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got compensation
programs that are balanced.
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But there are
some bad apples...
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the media debate about
the basic operating principles
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of the corporate world
was quickly reduced
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to a game of
follow the leader.
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I still happen to think
the United States
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is the greatest place
in the world to invest.
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We have some shake ups
that are going on
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because of a few
bad apples.
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Some people call me
a bad apple
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but I may be bruised
but I still taste sweet.
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Some people call me
a bad apple
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but I may be the sweetest
apple on the tree.
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These are not just
a bunch of bad apples.
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This is just
a few bad apples.
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This is not just
a few bad apples.
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You've gotta get rid
of the bad apples
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You can start
with Tyco
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Bad apples
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We know all
about WorldCom.
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Bad apples
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Xerox Corporation.
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Bad apples
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Arthur Anderson.
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Bad apples
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Enron obviously
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bad apples.
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K-mart Corporation
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Bad apples
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the fruit cart is
getting a little more full.
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I don�t think it's just a
few apples unfortunately.
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I think this is the worst
crisis of confidence
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in business.
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What's wrong
with this picture?
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Can we not pick
a better metaphor
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to describe the dominant
institution of our time?
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Through the voices of CEOs
whistle blowers
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brokers gurus and spies
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insiders and outsiders
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we present the corporation
as a paradox
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an institution which
creates great wealth
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but causes enormous
and often hidden harms.
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I see the corporation
as part of a jigsaw
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in society as a whole
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which if you remove it
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the picture�s incomplete.
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But equally if it's
the only part
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it's not going to work.
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A sports team.
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Some of us are
blocking and tackling.
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Some of us
are running the ball
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some of us are
throwing the ball.
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But we all have
a common purpose
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which is to succeed
as an organization.
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A corporations
like a family unit.
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People in a corporation work
together for a common end
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Like the telephone system
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it reaches almost
everywhere.
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It's extraordinarily powerful
it's pretty hard to avoid.
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And it transforms
the lives of people
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I think on balance
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for the better.
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The eagle
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soaring clear eyed
competitive
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prepared to strike
but not a vulture.
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Noble visionary majestic
that people can believe in
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and be inspired by
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that creates such
a lift that it soars.
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I can see that being
a good logo
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for the principled
company.
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Okay guys
enough bullshit.
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Corporations are
artificial creations.
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You might say
they�re monsters
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trying to devour as much
profit as possible
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at anyone's expense.
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I think of a whale.
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A gentle big fish
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which could swallow you
in an instant.
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Dr. Frankenstein's creation
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has overwhelmed and
overpowered him.
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As the corporate form
has done with us.
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The word corporate gets
attached in almost
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you know in a
pejorative sense to
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and gets married
with the word agenda.
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And one hears a lot about
the corporate agenda
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as though it is evil
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as though it is an agenda
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which is trying
to take over the world.
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Personally I don't
use the word "corporation "
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I use the word business.
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I will use the word
use the word company.
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I will use the words
business community
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cause I think that is a much
fairer representation
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than zeroing in on just
this word corporation.
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It's funny that I've taught
in a business school
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for as long as I have
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without ever having
been asked so pointedly
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to say what I think
a corporation is.
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...it is one form of
business ownership.
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It's a group of individuals
working together to serve
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a variety of objectives.
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The principal one
of which is earning large
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growing sustained
legal returns
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for the people who
own the business.
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The modern corporation has
grown out of the industrial age.
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The industrial age
began in 1712
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with an Englishman named
Thomas Newcomen
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invented a steam driven
pump to pump water
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out of the English coalmine
so the English coalminers
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could get more
coal to mine
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rather than hauling
buckets of water
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out of the mine
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It was all about productivity
more coal per man hour.
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That was the dawn of
the industrial age.
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And then it became more
steel per man hour
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more textiles
per man hour
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more automobiles
per man hour
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and today it's more
chips per man hour
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more gizmos per man hour.
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The system is basically
the same system
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producing more
sophisticated products today.
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The dominant role of
corporations in our lives
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is essentially a product of
roughly the past century.
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Corporations were originally
associations of people
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who were chartered
by a state
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to perform some
particular function.
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Like a group of people
want to build abridge
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over the Charles River
or something like that.
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There were very few
chartered corporations
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in early United
States history.
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And the ones that existed
had clear stipulations
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in their state
issued charters
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how long they
could operate
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the amount of
capitalization
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what they made or did
or maintained
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a turnpike whatever was
in their charter
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and they didn't
do anything else.
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They didn't own or couldn't
own another corporation.
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Their shareholders
were liable.
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And so on.
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In both law and the culture
the corporation was considered
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a subordinate entity that was
a gift from the people
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in order to serve
the public good.
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So you have that history
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and we shouldn't
be misled by it
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it's not as if these
were the halcyon days
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when all corporations
served the public trust
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but there's a lot
to learn from that.
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The Civil War and the
Industrial Revolution
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created enormous growth
in corporations.
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And so there was an explosion
of railroads
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who got large federal
subsidies of land.
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Banking heavily
manufacturing
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And corporate lawyers
a century and a half ago
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realized that they needed
more power to operate
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And wanted to remove some
of the constraints
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that had historically been
placed on the corporate form.
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The 14th amendment
was passed
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at the end of the Civil War
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to give equal rights
to black people.
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And therefore it said
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No state can deprive
any person of life
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liberty or property
without due process of law.
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And that was intended
to prevent the states
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from taking away life
liberty or property
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from black people
as they had done
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for so much of
our history.
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And what happens is the
corporations come into court
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and corporation lawyers
are very clever.
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And they say
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Oh you cant deprive
a person of life
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liberty or property.
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We are a person.
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A corporation is a person.
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And so supreme court
goes along with that.
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And what was particularly
grotesque about this was
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that the 14th amendment
was passed
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to protect newly
freed slaves.
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So for instance
between 1890 and 1910
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there were 307 cases brought
before the court
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under the 14th amendment.
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288 of these brought
by corporations
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19 by African Americans.
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600000 people were killed
to get rights for people
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and then with strokes of
the pen over the next 30years
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judges applied those rights
to capital and property
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while stripping them
from people.
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Everybody makes a mistake
once in a while
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but I just cant be
personally responsible.
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That's one of the weaknesses
of a partnership
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isn't it Sid?
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Well maybe you�d better
incorporate the store.
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Incorporate?!
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Yes
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Incorporating would give you
the big advantage of
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what you want right now
limited liability.
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You start with a
group of people
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who wanna invest their
money in accompany.
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Then these people apply for
a charter as a corporation.
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This government issues a
charter to that corporation.
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Now that corporation operates
legally as an individual person
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it is not a group of people
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it is under the law
a legal person.
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Imperial Steel Incorporated
has many of the legal rights
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of a person.
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It can buy and
sell property...
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It can borrow money.
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It can sue in court
and be sued.
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It can carry
on a business.
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Imperial Steel
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along with thousands
of other legal persons
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is a part of our
daily living.
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It is a member
of our society.
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Having acquired the legal rights
and protections of a person
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the question arises
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What kind of person
is the corporation?
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Corporations were given
the rights of immortal persons.
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But then special
kinds of persons
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persons who had no
moral conscience.
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These are a special
kind of persons
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which are designed by law
to be concerned
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only for their
stockholders.
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And not say what
are sometimes
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called their stakeholders
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like the community or the
work force or whatever.
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The great problems of having
corporate citizens
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is that they aren�t
like the rest of us.
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As Baron Thurlow in England
is supposed to have said
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They have no soul to save
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and they have no body
to incarcerate.
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I believe the mistake that
a lot of people make
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when they think
about corporations
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is they think you know
corporations are like us.
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General Electric is a kind
old man with lots of stories.
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Nike young energetic.
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Microsoft aggressive
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McDonald's young
outgoing enthusiastic
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Monsanto immaculately dressed
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Disney goofy.
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The Body Shop
um deceptive
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very lovely.
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Do you know what the
body shop is?
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Nope.
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They have feelings
they have politics
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they have belief systems
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they really only
have one thing
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the bottom line
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How to make as much
money as they can
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in any given quarter.
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That's it.
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Of course they
make a profit
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and it's a good thing.
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That's the incentive that
makes capitalism work.
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To give us more
of the things that we need.
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That�s the incentive that
other economic systems lack.
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People accuse
us of only paying attention
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to the economic leg
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because they think
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that�s what a business
persons mind set is
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it's just money.
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And it's not so
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because we as
business people
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know that wanted to certainly
address the environment
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but also we need to be seen as
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constructive members
of society.
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There are companies that do
good for the communities.
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They produce
services and goods
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that are of value to all of us
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that make our
lives better
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and that's a good thing.
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The problem comes in
the profit motivation here
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because these people
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there�s no such
thing as enough.
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And I always
counter point out
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there�s no organization
on this planet
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that can neglect
its economic foundation.
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Even someone living under
a banyan tree is dependent
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on support from someone.
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Economic leg has to be
addressed by everyone.
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It's not just
a business issue.
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But unlike someone
under a banyan tree
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all publicly
traded corporations
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has been structured
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through a series
of legal decisions
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to have a peculiar and
disturbing characteristic.
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They are required
by law
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to place the financial
interests of their owners
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above competing interests.
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In fact the corporation
is legally bound
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to put its bottom line
ahead of everything else
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even the public good.
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That�s not
a law of nature
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that's a very
specific decision.
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In fact
a judicial decision.
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So they�re concerned only
for the short term profit
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of their stockholders who are
very highly concentrated.
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To whom do these
companies owe loyalty?
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What does loyalty mean?
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Well it turns
out that
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that was a rather
naive concept anyways
323
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as corporations are
always owed obligation
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to themselves to get large
and to get profitable.
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In doing this
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it tends to be more
profitable to the extent
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it can make other
people pay the bills
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for its impact
on society.
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There's a terrible word that
economists use for this
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called externalities.
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An externality is the effect
of a transaction
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between two individuals.
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Third party who
has not consented to
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or played any role
in the carrying out
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of that transaction
336
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And there are real
problems in that area.
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There�s no
doubt about it.
338
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Running a business is
a tough proposition.
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There are costs to be
minimized at every turn
340
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and at some point
the corporation says
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you know let somebody
else deal with that.
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Let's let somebody else
supply the military power
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to the middle east to protect
the oil at its source.
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Let's let somebody else build
the roads that we can drive
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these automobiles on.
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Let's let somebody
else have those problems
347
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And that is where
externalities come from
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that notion of let somebody
else deal with that.
349
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I got all I can
handle myself.
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A corporation is an
externalizing machine
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in the same way that a shark
is a killing machine.
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Each one is designed
in a very efficient way
353
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to accomplish
particular objectives.
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In the achievement
of those objectives
355
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there isn�t any question
of malevolence or of will.
356
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The enterprise
has within it
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and the shark
has within it
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those characteristics that
enable it to do that
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for which it was designed.
360
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The pressure is
on the corporation
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to deliver results now
362
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and to externalize
any cost
363
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that this unwary
or uncaring public
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will allow it
to eternalize.
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To determine the kind
of personality
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that drives the corporation
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to behave like
an externalizing machine
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we can analyze it
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like a psychiatrist
would a patient.
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We can even formulate
a diagnosis
371
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on the basis of typical
case histories of harm
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that is inflicted
on others
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selected from a universe
of corporate activity.
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Well this is the office
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00:18:57,260 --> 00:18:59,145
of the national
labour committee
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here in the garment area
of New York City.
377
00:19:02,460 --> 00:19:06,065
It's a little
bit dishevelled.
378
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These are all from
different campaigns.
379
00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:13,010
To make this stuff
concrete as possible
380
00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:16,770
we purchased all of
the products from the factories
381
00:19:16,805 --> 00:19:17,105
that we're talking about.
382
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This shirt sells
for $14.99.
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And the women who made
this shirt got paid $0.03.
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00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:28,210
Liz Claiborne jackets
made in El Salvador
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The jackets are $178
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and the workers were
paid $0.74
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00:19:32,780 --> 00:19:34,530
for every jacket they made.
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00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:36,980
Alpine car stereos
$0.31 an hour.
389
00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:38,155
It's not just sneakers.
390
00:19:38,190 --> 00:19:39,210
It's not just apparel.
391
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It's everything.
392
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We were in Honduras
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and some workers they knew
what kind of work we did
394
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and they approached
us and said
395
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conditions in our
factory are horrible.
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Will you please
meet with us.
397
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And we said we would.
398
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But you cant meet in
the developing world
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00:20:00,340 --> 00:20:02,570
you cant walk up in
a factory with your notebook
400
00:20:02,740 --> 00:20:04,490
and workers come
up and interview them.
401
00:20:04,660 --> 00:20:05,810
I mean there's
goons there�s spies
402
00:20:05,845 --> 00:20:06,290
the military police
403
00:20:06,580 --> 00:20:09,220
so you do everything
in a clandestine manner.
404
00:20:09,255 --> 00:20:10,300
We are about
to start the meeting
405
00:20:10,420 --> 00:20:12,140
and in walk three guys
406
00:20:12,340 --> 00:20:14,060
very tough looking guys.
407
00:20:14,260 --> 00:20:16,220
The company had found
out about our meeting
408
00:20:16,255 --> 00:20:17,300
and sent these spies.
409
00:20:17,620 --> 00:20:19,370
Obviously we didn�t
have the meeting.
410
00:20:19,460 --> 00:20:21,260
But these young girls
were really bright
411
00:20:21,295 --> 00:20:23,010
And as they
were leaving
412
00:20:23,180 --> 00:20:24,105
away from the eyesight
of the spies
413
00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:26,340
they started to put their hands
underneath the table.
414
00:20:26,540 --> 00:20:28,900
And I put my hand
under there
415
00:20:28,940 --> 00:20:30,770
and they put into my hand
their pay stubs.
416
00:20:30,860 --> 00:20:33,740
So we'd know
who they were
417
00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:35,100
what they were paid
418
00:20:35,180 --> 00:20:36,980
and the labels that
they made in the factory
419
00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:38,985
so wed know who
they worked for.
420
00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:41,740
So I took my hand
after everyone had left.
421
00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:43,180
And in the palm
of my hand
422
00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:44,970
was the face was of
Kathy Lee Gifford
423
00:20:45,220 --> 00:20:47,105
And on the bottom
of it was
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A portion of the proceeds
from the sale of this garment
425
00:20:50,020 --> 00:20:52,980
would be donated to various
children�s charities.
426
00:20:53,015 --> 00:20:55,130
Very touching
gets you right here.
427
00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:57,210
Wal-Mart is telling you
if you purchase these pants
428
00:20:57,700 --> 00:20:59,100
and Kathy Lee
is telling you
429
00:20:59,140 --> 00:21:00,115
if you purchase
these pants
430
00:21:00,150 --> 00:21:01,090
you will be
helping children.
431
00:21:01,540 --> 00:21:02,860
The problem was
432
00:21:02,980 --> 00:21:04,570
the people that
handed us this label
433
00:21:04,580 --> 00:21:05,740
were 13 years of age.
434
00:21:06,820 --> 00:21:10,610
Do many people
in your family work here?
435
00:21:10,645 --> 00:21:11,465
Just me.
436
00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:11,820
How many people
do you support?
437
00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:13,540
Eight people?
438
00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:15,970
And how do you do it with
that salary is it enough?
439
00:21:16,005 --> 00:21:18,210
No.
440
00:21:20,020 --> 00:21:21,660
Let's look at it from
a different point of view
441
00:21:21,940 --> 00:21:23,580
Let's look at it
from a point of view
442
00:21:23,860 --> 00:21:30,650
of the people in Bangladesh
who are starving to death.
443
00:21:30,660 --> 00:21:34,050
The people in China
who are starving to death
444
00:21:34,420 --> 00:21:37,620
and the only thing that they
have to offer to anybody
445
00:21:37,780 --> 00:21:41,140
that is worth anything
446
00:21:41,175 --> 00:21:44,500
is their low
cost labour.
447
00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:47,620
And in effect what
they�re saying to the world
448
00:21:47,860 --> 00:21:51,010
is they have this big
flag that says
449
00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:53,105
Come over and hire us.
450
00:21:53,140 --> 00:21:55,940
We will work
for $0.10 an hour.
451
00:21:56,020 --> 00:21:58,220
Because $0.10 an hour
will buy us the rice
452
00:21:58,420 --> 00:22:01,220
that's wanted not
to starve.
453
00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:05,380
And come and rescue us
from our circumstance.
454
00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:08,945
And so when Nike comes in
455
00:22:08,980 --> 00:22:11,370
they are regarded by
everybody in the community
456
00:22:11,380 --> 00:22:12,940
as an enormous godsend.
457
00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:19,890
Hey wait!
458
00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:22,820
You are not
permitted to be here!
459
00:22:22,855 --> 00:22:23,450
The door was wide open.
460
00:22:23,660 --> 00:22:24,410
No no no no no.
461
00:22:24,620 --> 00:22:25,460
That�s my clothes.
462
00:22:25,495 --> 00:22:26,300
Those are my clothes.
463
00:22:26,460 --> 00:22:28,180
This is not your clothes.
464
00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:29,745
Why your camera!?
465
00:22:29,780 --> 00:22:30,930
Don�t touch the woman.
466
00:22:30,965 --> 00:22:31,780
Why!?
467
00:22:31,980 --> 00:22:33,970
This is a private company.
468
00:22:34,380 --> 00:22:38,060
Without permission
how can you come here?
469
00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:40,660
Yes well the door
was wide open
470
00:22:40,695 --> 00:22:43,060
The doors
for employees
471
00:22:43,095 --> 00:22:44,610
not for you.
472
00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:47,180
We went through
the garbage dump
473
00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:48,250
in the Dominican
Republic.
474
00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:49,260
We always do this
kind of stuff
475
00:22:49,295 --> 00:22:50,660
we dig around.
476
00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:53,460
One day we found
a big pile
477
00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:55,860
of Nikes internal
pricing documents.
478
00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:58,500
Nike assigns a time
frame to each operation.
479
00:22:58,780 --> 00:23:00,610
They don�t talk
about minutes.
480
00:23:00,700 --> 00:23:04,460
They break the timeframe into
ten thousandths of a second.
481
00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:06,885
You get to the bottom
of all 22 operations;
482
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,300
they give the workers 6.6
minutes to make the shirt.
483
00:23:09,340 --> 00:23:11,330
It's $0.70 an hour
in the Dominican Republic.
484
00:23:11,740 --> 00:23:14,860
That�s 6.6 minutes
equals $0.08.
485
00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:15,905
These are Nikes documents.
486
00:23:15,940 --> 00:23:18,060
That means the wages come to
three tenths of one percent
487
00:23:18,340 --> 00:23:19,860
of the retail price.
488
00:23:19,895 --> 00:23:21,380
This is the reality.
489
00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:24,340
It's the science
of exploitation.
490
00:23:35,140 --> 00:23:37,420
What happens in the areas
where these corporations
491
00:23:37,540 --> 00:23:38,770
go in and are successful?
492
00:23:38,980 --> 00:23:44,010
They soon find that they cant
do any more in that country
493
00:23:44,260 --> 00:23:47,540
because the wages
are too high now.
494
00:23:47,620 --> 00:23:48,820
And what�s that another
way of saying
495
00:23:48,855 --> 00:23:49,985
well the people are
no longer desperate.
496
00:23:50,020 --> 00:23:52,620
So okay we�ve used up
all the desperate people there
497
00:23:52,900 --> 00:23:55,700
they�re all plump and
healthy and wealthy.
498
00:23:55,780 --> 00:23:59,660
Let�s move on to the next
desperate lot and employ them
499
00:23:59,695 --> 00:24:00,940
and raise their level up.
500
00:24:12,540 --> 00:24:14,530
Well the whole idea of
the export processing zone
501
00:24:14,940 --> 00:24:17,700
is that it will be the
first step towards
502
00:24:17,735 --> 00:24:19,905
this wonderful
new development
503
00:24:19,940 --> 00:24:22,540
through the investment that�s
attracted to these countries
504
00:24:22,820 --> 00:24:24,260
there will be
a trickle down effect
505
00:24:24,295 --> 00:24:25,460
into the communities.
506
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:28,820
But because so many countries
are now in the game
507
00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:31,420
of creating these
free trade enclaves
508
00:24:31,660 --> 00:24:34,300
they have to keep providing
more and more incentives
509
00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:39,380
for companies to come to their
little denationalized pocket.
510
00:24:39,415 --> 00:24:42,185
And the tax holidays
get longer.
511
00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:44,290
So the workers rarely
make enough money
512
00:24:44,620 --> 00:24:46,025
to buy
three meals a days
513
00:24:46,060 --> 00:24:48,180
let alone feed
their local economy.
514
00:25:17,460 --> 00:25:20,580
Something happened in 1940
515
00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:24,145
which marked the beginning
of a new era.
516
00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:29,780
The era of the ability
to synthesize and create.
517
00:25:29,940 --> 00:25:32,785
On an unlimited scale
518
00:25:32,820 --> 00:25:35,420
new chemicals that had
never existed before
519
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:36,820
in the world.
520
00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:39,025
And using the
magic of research
521
00:25:39,060 --> 00:25:41,420
oil companies compete
with each other
522
00:25:41,460 --> 00:25:44,220
in taking the petroleum
molecule apart
523
00:25:44,340 --> 00:25:47,890
and rearranging it into
well you name it...
524
00:25:48,180 --> 00:25:50,460
So suddenly it became possible
525
00:25:50,495 --> 00:25:52,740
to produce any new chemical
526
00:25:52,860 --> 00:25:54,140
synthetic chemicals
527
00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:56,260
the likes of which had never
existed before in the world
528
00:25:56,295 --> 00:25:59,060
for any purpose and
at virtually no cost.
529
00:26:00,060 --> 00:26:05,740
Fabrics toot brushes
tires insecticides
530
00:26:05,820 --> 00:26:08,730
cosmetics weed killers.
531
00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:14,340
A whole galaxy of things to
make a better life on earth.
532
00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:16,690
For instance if you wanted
to go to a chemist and say
533
00:26:16,725 --> 00:26:19,020
look I want to have
a chemical say a pesticide
534
00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:22,385
which will persist
throughout the food chain
535
00:26:22,420 --> 00:26:25,570
and I don�t want to have
to renew it very very often
536
00:26:25,780 --> 00:26:28,980
Id like it to be
relatively non-destructible
537
00:26:29,015 --> 00:26:31,010
and then he�d put two
benzene molecules
538
00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:33,810
on the blackboard and
add a chlorine here
539
00:26:33,845 --> 00:26:35,940
and a chlorine there
540
00:26:36,140 --> 00:26:37,340
that was DDT!
541
00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:40,420
When the eighth army needed
Jap civilians to help them out
542
00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:41,865
in our occupation
543
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:44,500
they called on native
doctors to administer DDT
544
00:26:44,780 --> 00:26:46,580
under the supervision
of our men
545
00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:49,060
to stand a potential
typhus epidemic.
546
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,980
Dusting like this goes a long
way in checking disease
547
00:26:52,015 --> 00:26:54,970
and the laughs on them.
548
00:26:55,180 --> 00:26:56,660
"Pardon our dust"
549
00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:12,340
As the petrochemical
era grew and grew
550
00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:17,220
warning signs emerged that
some of these chemicals
551
00:27:17,260 --> 00:27:19,650
could pose hazards.
552
00:27:19,660 --> 00:27:24,100
The data initially were
trivial anecdotal
553
00:27:24,460 --> 00:27:29,105
but gradually a body of data
started accumulating
554
00:27:29,140 --> 00:27:33,770
to the extent that we now know
that the synthetic chemicals
555
00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:36,540
which have permeated
our workplace
556
00:27:36,740 --> 00:27:38,260
our consumer products
557
00:27:38,660 --> 00:27:41,050
our air our water
558
00:27:41,060 --> 00:27:44,100
produced cancer
and also birth defects
559
00:27:44,135 --> 00:27:45,610
and some other
toxic effects.
560
00:28:11,460 --> 00:28:15,460
Furthermore industry
has known about this
561
00:28:15,620 --> 00:28:17,370
at least most industries
have known about this
562
00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:19,980
and have attempted
to trivialize these risks.
563
00:28:26,180 --> 00:28:29,330
If I take a gun and shoot
you that�s criminal.
564
00:28:29,540 --> 00:28:31,860
If I expose you
to some chemicals
565
00:28:31,895 --> 00:28:34,180
which knowingly are
going to kill you
566
00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:35,780
what difference is there?
567
00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:38,140
The difference is that it
takes longer to kill you.
568
00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:44,330
We are now in the midst
of a major cancer epidemic
569
00:28:44,365 --> 00:28:46,370
and I have no doubt
570
00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:49,530
and I have documented
the basis for this
571
00:28:49,540 --> 00:28:53,380
that industry is
largely responsible
572
00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:57,580
for this overwhelming
epidemic of cancer
573
00:28:57,660 --> 00:29:01,620
in which one in every two men
get cancer in their lifetimes
574
00:29:01,655 --> 00:29:04,890
and one in every three
women get cancer.
575
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:24,260
Towards the end
of 1989
576
00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:27,340
a great box of documents
arrived at my office
577
00:29:27,375 --> 00:29:30,140
without any indication
where they came from.
578
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:32,820
And I opened them
579
00:29:33,180 --> 00:29:36,140
and found in it a complete
set of Monsanto files
580
00:29:36,175 --> 00:29:41,260
dealing with toxicological
testing of cows
581
00:29:41,295 --> 00:29:42,820
who�d been given RBGH.
582
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:46,140
BST trade name Posilac is
being used in more than
583
00:29:46,460 --> 00:29:48,820
a quarter of the dairy herds
in the United States
584
00:29:48,860 --> 00:29:50,265
according to Monsanto.
585
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:52,610
The milk is being drunk
by a large portion
586
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:54,290
of the American population
587
00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:56,500
since the food and drug
administration declared it safe
588
00:29:56,540 --> 00:29:58,425
for both cows and humans...
589
00:29:58,460 --> 00:30:00,370
And at that the
Monsanto was saying
590
00:30:00,380 --> 00:30:01,610
There�s no
evidence whatsoever
591
00:30:01,820 --> 00:30:03,020
of any adverse affects
592
00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:04,900
We don�t use antibiotics.
593
00:30:05,180 --> 00:30:08,810
And this clearly showed
that they had lied
594
00:30:08,845 --> 00:30:10,420
through their teeth.
595
00:30:16,620 --> 00:30:19,140
The files described areas
of chronic inflammation
596
00:30:19,175 --> 00:30:20,850
in the heart lungs
kidneys spleen
597
00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:22,850
also reproductive effects
598
00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:27,140
also a whole series
of other problems.
599
00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:30,340
...the most comprehensive
independent assessment of the drug
600
00:30:30,380 --> 00:30:33,980
"concludes that BST
results in unnecessary pain
601
00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:36,585
suffering and
distress for the cows.
602
00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:39,220
This is not acceptable
for a drug designed simply
603
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:42,540
to increase milk production...
604
00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:44,745
It is a silly product.
605
00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:47,380
We have the industrial
world is awash in milk.
606
00:30:47,660 --> 00:30:48,980
We're over producing milk.
607
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:51,010
We actually have governments
around the world
608
00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:53,865
who pay farmers not
to produce milk.
609
00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:56,130
So the first product
Monsanto comes up with
610
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:59,450
is a product that produces
more of what we don�t need.
611
00:30:59,660 --> 00:31:03,940
Of course you�ll want to inject
Posilac in every eligible cow
612
00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:07,420
as each cow is not treated
is a lost income opportunity.
613
00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:08,745
But the problem was
614
00:31:08,780 --> 00:31:10,740
that use of
the artificial hormone
615
00:31:11,180 --> 00:31:14,020
caused all sorts of
problems for the cows.
616
00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:15,945
It caused something
called mastitis
617
00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:20,500
which is a very painful
infection of the udders.
618
00:31:20,660 --> 00:31:21,700
When you milk the cow
619
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:23,820
if the cow
has bad mastitis
620
00:31:23,855 --> 00:31:24,340
some of the
621
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:25,700
and I don�t know how to
say this in a you know
622
00:31:25,940 --> 00:31:28,300
I hope people aren�t
watching at dinnertime
623
00:31:28,335 --> 00:31:30,660
but the pus from the
infection of the udders
624
00:31:30,740 --> 00:31:31,940
ends up in the milk.
625
00:31:32,180 --> 00:31:34,140
And the somatic cell
count they call it
626
00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:35,505
the bacteria count
627
00:31:35,540 --> 00:31:38,300
inside your
milk goes up.
628
00:31:38,380 --> 00:31:40,980
There�s a cost to the cows.
629
00:31:41,260 --> 00:31:44,650
The cows get sicker when
they�re injected with RBGH.
630
00:31:44,685 --> 00:31:47,820
They�re injected
with antibiotics.
631
00:31:47,980 --> 00:31:51,290
We know that people are
consuming antibiotics
632
00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:52,570
through their food
633
00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:54,420
and we know that
that�s contributing
634
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:57,500
to antibiotic resistant
bacteria and diseases.
635
00:31:57,580 --> 00:31:59,380
And we know we're at a
crisis when somebody can go
636
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:01,810
into a hospital and
get a staff infection
637
00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:04,050
and it cant be
cured and they die.
638
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:05,860
That�s a crisis.
639
00:32:05,895 --> 00:32:07,420
Bad for the cow
640
00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:09,410
Bad for the farmer
641
00:32:09,580 --> 00:32:11,650
Bad potentially
for the consumer
642
00:32:11,980 --> 00:32:12,905
The jury is out
643
00:32:12,940 --> 00:32:14,820
we see a lot of
conflicting evidence
644
00:32:15,340 --> 00:32:16,895
about potential
health risk.
645
00:32:16,930 --> 00:32:18,450
And of course
as a consumer
646
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:20,980
my belief is why
should I take any risk?
647
00:32:26,380 --> 00:32:28,370
Factory farm cows have not
been the only victims
648
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:31,060
of Monsanto products.
649
00:32:31,180 --> 00:32:34,810
Large areas of Vietnam were
deforested by the us military
650
00:32:34,845 --> 00:32:36,260
using Monsanto�s agent orange.
651
00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:41,460
The toxic herbicide
reportedly caused
652
00:32:41,740 --> 00:32:44,105
over 50,000 birth defects
653
00:32:44,140 --> 00:32:48,290
and hundreds of thousands of cancers
in Vietnamese civilians and soldiers
654
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:53,060
and in former American troops
serving in South East Asia.
655
00:32:53,260 --> 00:32:55,145
Unlike the Vietnamese victims
656
00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:57,900
U.S. Vietnam war veterans
exposed to Agent Orange
657
00:32:58,060 --> 00:33:02,370
were able to sue Monsanto
for causing their illnesses.
658
00:33:02,820 --> 00:33:04,570
Monsanto settled
out of court
659
00:33:04,740 --> 00:33:07,655
paying $80 million
in damages.
660
00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:10,570
But it never
admitted guilt
661
00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:36,610
Sleeping in a motel
in Brewer Maine one night
662
00:33:36,645 --> 00:33:37,980
I woke up with
terrible hay fever
663
00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:39,540
and my eyes were burning.
664
00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:41,140
And I looked out
at the river
665
00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:43,050
and there were great
mounds of white foam
666
00:33:43,140 --> 00:33:44,825
going right
down the river.
667
00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:46,090
And the next morning
I got up and I said
668
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:47,740
My God what was
that happening last night
669
00:33:47,775 --> 00:33:48,940
He said "Oh that�s
just the river".
670
00:33:49,020 --> 00:33:49,945
And I said
"what do you mean?"
671
00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:51,500
He said "Well look every
night the paper company sends
672
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:53,785
the stuff down the river."
673
00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:55,140
And I said "What are
you talking about?"
674
00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:56,580
And he said "Don�t
you understand?"
675
00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:59,930
"That show we get rid of the
effluent from the paper mills."
676
00:34:00,060 --> 00:34:01,970
Well I knew at that time
I had been in the business.
677
00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:04,850
I had sold oil
to the paper mills.
678
00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:05,820
I knew all the owners.
679
00:34:05,855 --> 00:34:06,745
I had been in politics.
680
00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:07,850
I knew the people
in the towns.
681
00:34:08,220 --> 00:34:11,340
I knew not one constituent
of the paper mills
682
00:34:11,375 --> 00:34:13,490
wanted to have
the river polluted.
683
00:34:13,980 --> 00:34:15,865
And yet here the river
was being polluted.
684
00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:19,500
And it was more or less as
if we created a doom machine.
685
00:34:19,740 --> 00:34:22,700
In our search for wealth
and for prosperity
686
00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:24,660
we created something that�s
going to destroy us.
687
00:34:32,060 --> 00:34:34,700
The traders who are
involved in the market
688
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:36,170
are not guys
who are
689
00:34:36,380 --> 00:34:37,105
whose moral fibre
690
00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:38,940
when it comes to
environmental conditions
691
00:34:39,060 --> 00:34:42,100
are going to be
rattled at all
692
00:34:42,420 --> 00:34:44,780
They�re seeing dollars
and they�re making money.
693
00:34:44,820 --> 00:34:46,860
Brokers don�t stay away
from copper
694
00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:49,300
because it violates
their religious beliefs
695
00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:52,140
or your environmental
policies.
696
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:53,580
No.
697
00:34:53,740 --> 00:34:55,060
There are times
when you think about it
698
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:58,505
but it's fleeting.
699
00:34:58,540 --> 00:35:00,280
It really is
a fleeting moment.
700
00:35:00,315 --> 00:35:02,020
It's like yeah
oh yeah yeah
701
00:35:02,380 --> 00:35:04,580
well a town is being
polluted down there in Peru
702
00:35:04,780 --> 00:35:07,420
but hey this guy
needs to buy some copper.
703
00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:10,985
I�m getting paid
a commission too.
704
00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:13,930
Our information that we receive
does not include anything
705
00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:15,305
about the environmental
conditions
706
00:35:15,340 --> 00:35:17,300
because until
the environmental conditions
707
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:20,540
become a commodity
themselves or are being traded
708
00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:24,020
then obviously we will not
have anything to do with that.
709
00:35:24,055 --> 00:35:27,010
It doesn�t come into
our psyche at all.
710
00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:29,740
It's so far away and
it's you hardly hear
711
00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:30,945
anything about it.
712
00:35:30,980 --> 00:35:32,730
I mean keep in mind there are
things going on right in our
713
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:36,050
backyards for god sake.
714
00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:37,665
We trade live hogs.
715
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:39,980
I mean there are so many pigs
in the state of Carolina
716
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:41,690
and they�re
polluting the rivers
717
00:35:42,020 --> 00:35:45,250
but how often do you
find out about that?
718
00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:53,640
At Multinational Monitor
we�ve put together a list
719
00:35:53,675 --> 00:35:56,610
of the top corporate
criminals of the 1990s.
720
00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:00,260
We went back and looked at
all the criminal fines that
721
00:36:00,295 --> 00:36:03,100
corporations had
paid in the decade.
722
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:07,815
Exxon pled guilty in connection
to federal criminal charges
723
00:36:07,850 --> 00:36:12,130
with the Valdez spill and paid
$125 million in criminal fines.
724
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:13,020
General Electric
725
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:14,580
was guilty of defrauding
the federal government
726
00:36:14,615 --> 00:36:18,220
and paid $9.5 million
in criminal fines.
727
00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:21,020
Chevron was guilty of
environmental violations
728
00:36:21,260 --> 00:36:23,090
and paid $6.5 million
in fines.
729
00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:25,380
Mitsubishi was guilty
of anti-trust violations
730
00:36:25,580 --> 00:36:26,505
and paid $1.8 million in fines.
731
00:36:26,540 --> 00:36:29,260
IBM was guilty of
illegal exports and paid.
732
00:36:29,740 --> 00:36:32,500
Eastman Kodak was guilty of
environmental violations.
733
00:36:32,535 --> 00:36:34,140
Pfizer the drug manufacturer
734
00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:38,570
was guilty of
antitrust violations.
735
00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:40,140
Odwalla was guilty of food and
drug regulatory violations.
736
00:36:40,175 --> 00:36:42,370
Sears was guilty of...
737
00:36:42,460 --> 00:36:44,770
Damon Clinical Laboratories
was guilty of...
738
00:36:44,860 --> 00:36:46,340
Blue Cross Blue
Shield was guilty of
739
00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:04,020
Again and again we have
the problem
740
00:37:04,380 --> 00:37:06,690
that whether you obey
the law or not
741
00:37:06,780 --> 00:37:09,220
is a matter whether
its cost effective.
742
00:37:09,255 --> 00:37:10,500
If the chance
of getting caught
743
00:37:10,620 --> 00:37:15,060
and the penalties are less
than it costs to comply
744
00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:17,780
people think of it as
just a business decision.
745
00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:23,260
Drawing the metaphor of
the early attempts to fly.
746
00:37:33,940 --> 00:37:37,900
Theban going off of a very
high cliff in his airplane
747
00:37:37,935 --> 00:37:39,060
with the wings flapping
748
00:37:39,220 --> 00:37:41,020
and the guys
flapping the wings
749
00:37:41,140 --> 00:37:42,945
and the wind
is in his face
750
00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:45,020
and this poor fool
thinks he�s flying
751
00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:47,495
but in fact
he�s in freefall
752
00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:49,610
and he just doesn�t
know it yet
753
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:51,820
because the ground
is so far away
754
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:55,090
but of course the craft
is doomed to crash.
755
00:37:59,300 --> 00:38:00,700
That�s the way our
civilization is
756
00:38:00,740 --> 00:38:01,890
the very high cliff
757
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:05,380
represents the virtually
unlimited resources
758
00:38:05,415 --> 00:38:08,660
we seem to have when
we began this journey.
759
00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:11,290
The craft isn�t flying
760
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:15,060
because it's not built according
to the laws of aerodynamics
761
00:38:15,095 --> 00:38:17,420
and is subject
to the law of gravity.
762
00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:18,865
Civilization is not flying
763
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:22,780
because it's not built according
to the laws of aerodynamics
764
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:25,585
for civilizations
that would fly.
765
00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:28,340
And of course the ground
is still a long way away
766
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:32,050
but some people have seen
that ground rushing up
767
00:38:32,340 --> 00:38:34,170
sooner than
the rest of us have.
768
00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:37,700
The visionaries have seen it
and have told us its coming.
769
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,345
There�s not a
single scientific
770
00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:47,220
peer reviewed paper published
in the last 25 years
771
00:38:47,255 --> 00:38:53,330
that would contradict
this scenario
772
00:38:53,820 --> 00:38:56,460
Every living system
of earth
773
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:57,425
is in decline
774
00:38:57,460 --> 00:39:01,380
every life support system
of earth is in decline
775
00:39:01,780 --> 00:39:04,625
and these together
constitute the biosphere
776
00:39:04,660 --> 00:39:08,200
the biosphere that supports
and nurtures all of life
777
00:39:08,235 --> 00:39:11,740
not just our life but perhaps
30 million other species
778
00:39:12,060 --> 00:39:14,050
that share
this planet with us.
779
00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:22,580
The typical company
of the 20th century
780
00:39:22,660 --> 00:39:25,810
extractive wasteful
abusive linear
781
00:39:25,845 --> 00:39:27,530
in all of its processes
782
00:39:27,940 --> 00:39:29,260
taking from the earth
783
00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:32,025
making wasting
sending its products
784
00:39:32,060 --> 00:39:34,370
back to the biosphere
waste to a landfill...
785
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:41,580
I myself was amazed to learn
just how much stuff
786
00:39:41,660 --> 00:39:47,060
the earth has to produce
through our extraction process
787
00:39:47,540 --> 00:39:50,300
to produce a dollar of
revenue for our company.
788
00:39:50,335 --> 00:39:51,900
When I learnt
I was flabbergasted.
789
00:39:59,940 --> 00:40:04,460
We are leaving a terrible
legacy of poison
790
00:40:04,495 --> 00:40:08,677
and diminishment
of the environment
791
00:40:08,712 --> 00:40:12,860
for our grandchildren�s
grandchildren
792
00:40:13,340 --> 00:40:16,180
generations not yet born.
793
00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:19,060
Some people have called that
intergeneration tyranny
794
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:22,780
a form of taxation
without representation
795
00:40:22,815 --> 00:40:26,460
levied by us
on generations yet to be.
796
00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:31,940
It's the wrong
thing to do.
797
00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:37,210
One of the questions
that comes up periodically
798
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:40,580
is to what extent could
corporation be considered
799
00:40:40,660 --> 00:40:43,380
to be psychopathic.
800
00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:46,260
And if we look at a corporation
as a legal person
801
00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:48,780
that it may not be that
difficult to actually draw
802
00:40:48,815 --> 00:40:51,140
the transition between
psychopathy in the individual
803
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:53,860
to psychopathy
in a corporation.
804
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:55,505
We could go through
the characteristics
805
00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:58,340
that define this particular
disorder one by one
806
00:40:58,420 --> 00:41:01,330
and see how they might
apply to corporations.
807
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:11,700
They would have all
the characteristics
808
00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:13,730
and in fact
in many respects
809
00:41:14,220 --> 00:41:15,540
the corporation
of that sort
810
00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:18,100
is the proto typical
of a psychopath.
811
00:41:23,860 --> 00:41:26,500
If the dominant institution
of our time has been created
812
00:41:26,740 --> 00:41:28,570
in the image of
a psychopath
813
00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:31,620
who bears moral responsibility
for its actions?
814
00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:36,700
Can a building have
moral opinions?
815
00:41:37,180 --> 00:41:39,940
Can a building have
social responsibility?
816
00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:42,420
If a building cant have
social responsibility
817
00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:44,825
what does it mean to
say a corporation can?
818
00:41:44,860 --> 00:41:49,730
A corporation is simply
an artificial legal structure
819
00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:51,730
but the people
who are engaged in it
820
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:53,540
whether the stockholder
821
00:41:53,820 --> 00:41:55,810
whether the
executives in it
822
00:41:55,845 --> 00:41:57,460
whether the employees
823
00:41:57,660 --> 00:41:59,490
they all have
moral responsibilities.
824
00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:05,700
It's a fair assumption
that every human being
825
00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:06,675
real human beings
826
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:07,610
flesh and
blood ones
827
00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:08,940
not corporations
828
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:12,250
but every flesh and blood
human being is a moral person.
829
00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:14,370
You know we've
got the same genes
830
00:42:14,380 --> 00:42:15,900
we're more or less
the same
831
00:42:16,180 --> 00:42:19,250
but our nature
832
00:42:19,540 --> 00:42:20,465
the nature of humans
833
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:22,090
allows all kinds
of behaviour.
834
00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:25,355
I mean every one of us
under some circumstances
835
00:42:25,390 --> 00:42:28,290
could be a gas chamber
attendant and a saint.
836
00:42:32,980 --> 00:42:37,500
No job in my experience
with Goodyear
837
00:42:37,660 --> 00:42:41,260
has been as frustrating
as the CEO job.
838
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:44,065
Because even though
the perception is
839
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:46,700
that you have absolute power
to do whatever you want
840
00:42:46,735 --> 00:42:49,420
the reality is
you don�t have that power
841
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:52,640
sometimes if you had a
really free hand
842
00:42:52,675 --> 00:42:55,300
if you really did what
you wanted to do
843
00:42:55,335 --> 00:42:58,780
that suits your
personal thoughts
844
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:01,780
and your personal priorities
you�d act differently.
845
00:43:01,815 --> 00:43:04,460
But as a CEO
you cannot do that
846
00:43:04,780 --> 00:43:07,555
Layoffs have become
so wide-spread
847
00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:10,330
that people
tend to believe that
848
00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:12,610
CEOs make these decisions
849
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:16,060
without any consideration
to the human implications
850
00:43:16,095 --> 00:43:17,100
of their decisions
851
00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:21,610
It is never a decision
that any CEO makes lightly.
852
00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:25,345
It is a tough decision.
853
00:43:25,380 --> 00:43:31,940
But it is the consequence
of modern capitalism
854
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:33,460
When you look
at a corporation
855
00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:36,610
just like when
you look at a slave owner
856
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:38,810
you want to distinguish
between the institution
857
00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:40,570
and the individual.
858
00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:45,130
So slavery for example
or other forms of tyranny
859
00:43:45,165 --> 00:43:47,450
are inherently monstrous
860
00:43:47,460 --> 00:43:49,530
but the individuals
participating in them
861
00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:52,060
may be the nicest guys
you could imagine
862
00:43:52,260 --> 00:43:55,490
benevolent friendly
nice to their children
863
00:43:55,620 --> 00:44:00,570
even nice to their slaves
caring about other people.
864
00:44:00,605 --> 00:44:04,210
I mean as individuals
they may be anything.
865
00:44:04,260 --> 00:44:06,410
In their institutional
role they're monsters
866
00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:08,860
because the institution
is monstrous.
867
00:44:09,060 --> 00:44:10,540
Then the same is true here.
868
00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:15,900
My wife and I some years
ago had at our home
869
00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:17,995
a demonstration.
870
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:19,730
25 people arrived
871
00:44:20,060 --> 00:44:22,530
they hung a big banner
on the top of our house
872
00:44:22,565 --> 00:44:24,020
saying murderers
873
00:44:24,340 --> 00:44:26,730
they danced around outside
with gasmasks and so on.
874
00:45:03,020 --> 00:45:05,440
As a public demonstration
it wasn�t very effective
875
00:45:05,475 --> 00:45:07,860
due to the fact that this
is a very rural area
876
00:45:07,895 --> 00:45:08,460
two people and a dog
877
00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:10,060
and it's not
a very big house
878
00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:11,860
which I think rather
surprised them
879
00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:14,130
but then we sat down
and talked to them
880
00:45:14,165 --> 00:45:16,425
for a couple of hours
881
00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:17,610
and we gave them
tea and coffee
882
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:19,540
and they had
lunch on our lawn.
883
00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:37,490
After about 20
minutes they said
884
00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:40,100
Well the problem is
not you. It's Shell.
885
00:45:40,460 --> 00:45:42,980
And I said now wait a
minute lets talk about
886
00:45:43,180 --> 00:45:44,540
what is Shell?
887
00:45:44,620 --> 00:45:46,025
It's made up
of people like me.
888
00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:48,420
In the end what we
found in that discussion
889
00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:50,340
were all the things
they we're worried about
890
00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:51,900
I was worried about as well
891
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:56,530
climate oppressive
regimes human rights
892
00:45:56,620 --> 00:45:58,985
the big difference
between us was
893
00:45:59,020 --> 00:46:01,900
I feel that I can actually
make a contributions to this
894
00:46:01,935 --> 00:46:03,340
these people
were frustrated
895
00:46:03,820 --> 00:46:06,540
because they felt that
they had no nothing to do.
896
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:09,540
So an individual
CEO lets say
897
00:46:09,580 --> 00:46:12,300
may really care
about the environment
898
00:46:12,335 --> 00:46:12,940
and in fact
899
00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:15,305
since they have such
extraordinary resources
900
00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:17,780
they can even devote some of
their resources to that
901
00:46:17,815 --> 00:46:20,650
without violating
their responsibility
902
00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:24,490
to be totally inhuman
903
00:46:24,525 --> 00:46:25,370
which is why
904
00:46:25,420 --> 00:46:28,020
as the Moody-Stuarts
serve tea to protestors
905
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:32,090
Shell Nigeria can flare
unrivalled amounts of gas
906
00:46:32,140 --> 00:46:36,260
making it of the worlds single
worst sources of pollution.
907
00:46:36,340 --> 00:46:39,640
And all the professed concerns
about the environment
908
00:46:39,675 --> 00:46:42,940
do not spare Ken Saro Wiwa
and eight other activists
909
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:46,740
from being hung for opposing
Shells environment practices
910
00:46:46,775 --> 00:46:47,940
in the Niger Delta.
911
00:46:57,460 --> 00:46:58,740
The corporation
is not a person
912
00:46:58,900 --> 00:46:59,820
it doesn�t think.
913
00:46:59,855 --> 00:47:00,740
People in it think
914
00:47:00,820 --> 00:47:05,340
and for them it is legitimate
to create terminator technology.
915
00:47:05,420 --> 00:47:08,940
So that farmers are not
able to save their seeds.
916
00:47:09,260 --> 00:47:13,380
Seeds that will
destroy themselves
917
00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:15,650
through a suicide gene.
918
00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:20,940
Seeds that are designed to only
produce crop in one season.
919
00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:23,425
You really need to
have a brutal mind.
920
00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:27,770
It's a war against evolution
to even think in those terms.
921
00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:32,010
But quite clearly profits are
so much higher in their minds
922
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:35,425
The profit motive
which drove Klutzy
923
00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:38,060
to accomplish so much
may bring out the evil
924
00:47:38,340 --> 00:47:43,740
as well as the good...
925
00:47:43,775 --> 00:47:45,180
Hellooo?
926
00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:49,625
My work spans
all industry sectors
927
00:47:49,660 --> 00:47:52,180
I mean I virtually have
worked for like Id say
928
00:47:52,380 --> 00:47:56,060
25 percent
of the fortune 500.
929
00:47:56,220 --> 00:47:58,610
I�ve posed as
an investment banker.
930
00:47:58,620 --> 00:48:01,930
I�ve posed as a
venture capitalist.
931
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:04,050
I�ve set up
front companies
932
00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:09,010
that are executive
recruiting firms.
933
00:48:09,180 --> 00:48:11,820
Essentially I�m a spy.
934
00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:16,620
I'll locate
your employees
935
00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:18,770
and I will tell them
that I�m calling
936
00:48:18,780 --> 00:48:20,500
from Acme
Recruiting Agency
937
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:23,010
and that I�ve got a
job that pays them
938
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:25,250
considerably more than
what they�re paying.
939
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:28,620
Would they mind meeting
me for an interview?
940
00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:30,180
And when the executive
shows up
941
00:48:30,215 --> 00:48:31,500
what he doesn�t
realize is
942
00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:35,450
I�m actually debriefing him
on behalf of a competitor.
943
00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:37,730
That there is no job
and that the office
944
00:48:37,765 --> 00:48:39,220
that he�s at
has been rented
945
00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:44,020
and the picture on my desk
of my family is a phoney
946
00:48:44,220 --> 00:48:48,360
and it's all just a big
elaborate ruse
947
00:48:48,395 --> 00:48:52,500
to glean competitive
information from him.
948
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:54,180
I don�t feel any guilt.
949
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:58,450
It's you know what I mean
you have to expect
950
00:48:58,620 --> 00:49:00,770
that guys like me
are out there.
951
00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:05,780
We're predators.
952
00:49:12,060 --> 00:49:14,500
It's about competition
it's about market share
953
00:49:14,940 --> 00:49:16,825
it's about
being aggressive
954
00:49:16,860 --> 00:49:19,020
and it's about
shareholder value.
955
00:49:19,055 --> 00:49:21,170
What is your
stock at today?
956
00:49:21,660 --> 00:49:24,460
If you�re a CEO
957
00:49:24,540 --> 00:49:28,860
I mean do you think your
shareholders really care
958
00:49:28,895 --> 00:49:31,460
whether you�re Billie
Buttercup or not?
959
00:49:31,495 --> 00:49:33,010
Do you think that
they really
960
00:49:33,180 --> 00:49:35,820
they would prefer you
to be a nice guy?
961
00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:39,020
Over having money
in their pocket?
962
00:49:39,055 --> 00:49:40,500
I don�t think so.
963
00:49:40,860 --> 00:49:42,180
I think people want money.
964
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:44,100
That�s the bottom line.
965
00:49:44,220 --> 00:49:46,580
The fact that most of these
companies are run
966
00:49:46,620 --> 00:49:48,450
by white men
white rich men
967
00:49:48,540 --> 00:49:50,660
means that they
are out of touch
968
00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:52,660
with what the majority
of the world is.
969
00:49:52,695 --> 00:49:54,692
Because the majority
of this planet
970
00:49:54,727 --> 00:49:56,690
are not a bunch
of rich white guys.
971
00:49:57,180 --> 00:49:58,580
They are people
of other colours
972
00:49:58,620 --> 00:50:00,000
they are the majority.
973
00:50:00,035 --> 00:50:01,380
Women are the majority
974
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:03,540
the poor
and working poor
975
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:06,180
make up the majority
of this planet.
976
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:08,665
So the decisions
they make
977
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:14,620
come from not the reality
that exists in the world.
978
00:50:14,740 --> 00:50:15,970
How much is enough?
979
00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:17,380
How much is enough?
980
00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:19,340
If you are a billionaire
981
00:50:19,540 --> 00:50:20,940
would it be okay just
to be a half a billionaire?
982
00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:23,780
Wouldn�t it be okay
for your company
983
00:50:23,860 --> 00:50:25,140
to make a little
less money...
984
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:27,610
When I bought those
two airplane tickets
985
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:30,850
for Phil Knight and myself
to fly to Indonesia
986
00:50:30,860 --> 00:50:34,620
I was prepared for him
to say okay lets go.
987
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:36,340
Oh no not a chance
988
00:50:36,620 --> 00:50:37,180
Not a chance.
989
00:50:37,215 --> 00:50:38,010
No?
990
00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:38,860
They�re transferable.
991
00:50:39,020 --> 00:50:40,090
I can change it
to another day.
992
00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:41,315
And call me on it.
993
00:50:41,350 --> 00:50:42,170
Call my bluff.
994
00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:43,305
He�s a smart guy.
995
00:50:43,340 --> 00:50:44,660
I mean he�s not
he�s not stupid.
996
00:50:44,780 --> 00:50:46,530
And so I thought okay
get ready for this.
997
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:49,460
Especially because you know
I bought first-class tickets.
998
00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:52,500
So you know it would be a
comfortable ride at least
999
00:50:52,535 --> 00:50:55,420
you know and of course he
tells me then on camera.
1000
00:50:55,820 --> 00:50:58,050
I�ve never been to Indonesia.
1001
00:50:58,140 --> 00:51:00,130
And I�m like taken
aback by this.
1002
00:51:00,165 --> 00:51:00,860
I cant believe it.
1003
00:51:01,020 --> 00:51:02,220
The guys the head
of the company
1004
00:51:02,460 --> 00:51:04,690
he�s never walked through
his own factories.
1005
00:51:04,860 --> 00:51:05,785
Oh you�ve got to go.
1006
00:51:05,820 --> 00:51:08,420
I cant go right now and
the rest of this year.
1007
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:10,780
When we were done
filming he calls me up
1008
00:51:10,815 --> 00:51:12,850
a couple of weeks
later and he goes
1009
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:18,050
I may have a chance to go
there with you to the factories.
1010
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:24,100
I�m going to the Australian
Open to watch some tennis.
1011
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:28,770
and uh you know
maybe I can get up there
1012
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:31,865
or at least
you can go there.
1013
00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:36,820
Would you like to go
to the Australian open?
1014
00:51:36,855 --> 00:51:37,930
For 21years
1015
00:51:38,140 --> 00:51:40,820
I never gave a thought
to what we were taking
1016
00:51:41,020 --> 00:51:44,090
from the earth or
doing to the earth
1017
00:51:44,260 --> 00:51:46,170
in the making
of our products.
1018
00:51:46,180 --> 00:51:49,505
And then
in the summer of 1994
1019
00:51:49,540 --> 00:51:51,660
we began to hear questions
from our customers
1020
00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:53,260
we had never
heard before
1021
00:51:53,380 --> 00:51:56,340
What�s your company doing
for the environment?
1022
00:51:56,375 --> 00:51:57,660
And we didn�t have answers.
1023
00:51:58,180 --> 00:52:00,490
The real answer
was not very much.
1024
00:52:00,540 --> 00:52:03,220
And it really disturbed
many of our people
1025
00:52:03,260 --> 00:52:05,505
not me so
much as them
1026
00:52:05,540 --> 00:52:07,500
and a group in our
research department
1027
00:52:07,940 --> 00:52:11,170
decided to convene
a taskforce
1028
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:14,020
and bring people from our
businesses around the world
1029
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:15,505
to come together
to assess
1030
00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:18,140
our company�s world wide
environment position
1031
00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:21,265
to begin to frame answers
for those customers.
1032
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:24,100
They asked me if I would come
and speak to that group
1033
00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:26,065
and give them
a kick off speech
1034
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:30,570
and launch this new task force
with an environmental vision
1035
00:52:30,605 --> 00:52:33,650
and I didn�t have
an environmental vision
1036
00:52:33,780 --> 00:52:36,980
and I did not want
to make that speech.
1037
00:52:37,140 --> 00:52:39,660
And at sort of
the propitious moment
1038
00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:41,900
this book
landed on my desk.
1039
00:52:41,940 --> 00:52:45,180
It was Paul Hawkins book
The Ecology of Commerce
1040
00:52:45,215 --> 00:52:48,420
and I began to read The
Ecology of Commerce,
1041
00:52:48,660 --> 00:52:50,890
really desperate
for inspiration
1042
00:52:51,060 --> 00:52:53,820
and very quickly
into that book
1043
00:52:53,940 --> 00:52:57,265
I found the phrase
The death of birth.
1044
00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:01,090
It was E. O. Wilson�s expression
for species extinction
1045
00:53:01,260 --> 00:53:03,145
The death of birth
1046
00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:06,810
and it was a point
of a spear into my chest
1047
00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:09,375
and I read on and
the spear went deeper
1048
00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:11,730
and it became an
epiphanal experience
1049
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:14,770
a total change
of mindset for myself
1050
00:53:14,805 --> 00:53:18,460
and a change of paradigm.
1051
00:53:22,260 --> 00:53:24,300
Can any product be
made sustainably?
1052
00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:27,220
Well not any
and every product.
1053
00:53:27,420 --> 00:53:30,060
Can you make
landmines sustainably?
1054
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:32,665
Well I don�t think so.
1055
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:35,850
There�s a more fundamental
question than that
1056
00:53:35,980 --> 00:53:37,380
about landmines.
1057
00:53:37,420 --> 00:53:39,460
Some products ought
not to be made at all.
1058
00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:43,625
Unless we can make carpets
sustainably you know
1059
00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:47,500
perhaps we don�t have a place
in a sustainable world
1060
00:53:47,980 --> 00:53:53,500
but neither does anybody else
making products unsustainably.
1061
00:53:53,535 --> 00:53:58,420
One day early in this journey
it dawned on me that
1062
00:53:58,540 --> 00:54:00,900
the way Id been
running interface
1063
00:54:00,940 --> 00:54:02,530
is the way
of the plunderer
1064
00:54:02,860 --> 00:54:06,185
plundering something
that�s not mine
1065
00:54:06,220 --> 00:54:10,300
something that belongs
to every creature on earth
1066
00:54:10,540 --> 00:54:11,940
and I said to myself
1067
00:54:11,980 --> 00:54:13,385
my goodness
1068
00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:16,810
the day must come
when this is illegal
1069
00:54:16,845 --> 00:54:19,620
when plundering
is not allowed
1070
00:54:20,140 --> 00:54:21,065
it must come.
1071
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:24,300
So I said to
myself my goodness
1072
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:27,580
some day people like
me will end up in jail.
1073
00:54:36,340 --> 00:54:38,300
I�ve got to be
honest with you.
1074
00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:41,300
When the September 11th
situation happened
1075
00:54:41,335 --> 00:54:44,370
I didn�t know that
the and I must say
1076
00:54:44,420 --> 00:54:47,380
and I want to say
this because its
1077
00:54:47,780 --> 00:54:50,580
I don�t want
to take it lightly
1078
00:54:50,660 --> 00:54:52,300
it's not a light
situation.
1079
00:54:52,580 --> 00:54:55,175
It's a devastating act.
1080
00:54:55,210 --> 00:54:57,770
It was really a bad thing
1081
00:54:58,340 --> 00:54:59,265
it's one of
the worse things
1082
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:01,690
I�ve seen in my
lifetime you know.
1083
00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:04,010
But I will tell you and every
trader will tell you
1084
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:06,250
who was not in
that building
1085
00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:09,860
and who was buying gold
and who owned gold and silver
1086
00:55:09,895 --> 00:55:11,580
that when it happened
1087
00:55:11,780 --> 00:55:13,690
the first thing
you thought about was
1088
00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:16,300
well how much is gold up?
1089
00:55:16,580 --> 00:55:18,880
The first thing
that came to mind was
1090
00:55:18,915 --> 00:55:21,170
my god gold must
be exploding.
1091
00:55:21,380 --> 00:55:24,930
Fortunately for us all
our clients were in gold.
1092
00:55:25,220 --> 00:55:28,500
So when it went up they
all doubled their money.
1093
00:55:28,580 --> 00:55:30,935
They�ve all doubled
their money.
1094
00:55:30,970 --> 00:55:33,290
It was a blessing
in disguise.
1095
00:55:33,340 --> 00:55:38,580
Devastating you know
crushing heart shattering
1096
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:40,505
but on the
financial sense
1097
00:55:40,540 --> 00:55:42,180
for my clients that
were in the market
1098
00:55:42,460 --> 00:55:43,865
they all made money.
1099
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:46,890
Now I wasn�t looking
for this type of help
1100
00:55:47,260 --> 00:55:50,585
but it happened.
1101
00:55:50,620 --> 00:55:55,460
When the US bombed
Iraq back in 1991
1102
00:55:55,900 --> 00:56:01,220
the price of oil went
from $13 to $40 a barrel
1103
00:56:01,255 --> 00:56:02,580
for Christ sake!
1104
00:56:02,620 --> 00:56:04,180
Now we couldn�t wait
for the bombs
1105
00:56:04,540 --> 00:56:06,210
to start raining down
on Saddam Hussein.
1106
00:56:11,740 --> 00:56:12,700
We were all excited.
1107
00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:15,780
We wanted Saddam to
really create problems
1108
00:56:15,815 --> 00:56:16,940
Do whatever you
have to do
1109
00:56:17,020 --> 00:56:18,500
set fire to some
more oil wells
1110
00:56:18,940 --> 00:56:21,170
because the price is
going to go higher.
1111
00:56:21,205 --> 00:56:21,900
Every broker was
chanting that
1112
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:23,700
there was not a broker
that I know of
1113
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:28,290
that wasn�t
excited about that.
1114
00:56:28,540 --> 00:56:29,465
This was a disaster.
1115
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:30,540
This was something
that was you know
1116
00:56:30,940 --> 00:56:32,040
catastrophe happening.
1117
00:56:32,075 --> 00:56:33,130
Bombing wars
1118
00:56:35,740 --> 00:56:38,020
In devastation there
is opportunity.
1119
00:56:43,060 --> 00:56:45,050
The pursuit of profit
is an old story
1120
00:56:45,460 --> 00:56:47,660
but there was a time when
many things were regarded
1121
00:56:47,860 --> 00:56:51,460
either as too sacred or too
essential for the public good
1122
00:56:51,495 --> 00:56:54,100
to be considered business
opportunities.
1123
00:56:54,580 --> 00:56:56,020
They were protected
by tradition
1124
00:56:56,055 --> 00:56:57,250
and public regulation.
1125
00:57:05,140 --> 00:57:08,530
We can really begin to take
a look at the emergence
1126
00:57:08,565 --> 00:57:10,730
of the modern age with
the enclosure movements
1127
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:13,020
of the great European
commons in the fourteenth
1128
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:15,100
fifteenth and
sixteenth century.
1129
00:57:15,220 --> 00:57:18,530
Medieval life uh was
a collectively lived life
1130
00:57:18,580 --> 00:57:20,810
It was a brutish
nasty affair.
1131
00:57:20,980 --> 00:57:23,210
But there was a collective
responsibility
1132
00:57:23,380 --> 00:57:24,945
People belonged to the land;
1133
00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:26,570
the land did not belong
to the people.
1134
00:57:26,740 --> 00:57:28,890
And in this
European world
1135
00:57:29,140 --> 00:57:31,420
people farmed the land
in a collective way
1136
00:57:31,540 --> 00:57:33,100
because they saw
it as a commons.
1137
00:57:33,135 --> 00:57:34,180
It belonged to God.
1138
00:57:34,420 --> 00:57:37,300
And then it was
administered by the church
1139
00:57:37,335 --> 00:57:38,580
the aristocracy
1140
00:57:38,740 --> 00:57:43,130
and then the local manors
as stewards of gods creation.
1141
00:57:43,165 --> 00:57:44,500
Beginning with Tudor England
1142
00:57:44,980 --> 00:57:46,385
we began to see
a phenomenon emerge
1143
00:57:46,420 --> 00:57:49,300
and that is the enclosure
of the great commons
1144
00:57:49,335 --> 00:57:50,490
by Parliamentary
Acts in England
1145
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:51,625
and then in Europe.
1146
00:57:51,660 --> 00:57:54,380
And so first we began to
take the great landmasses
1147
00:57:54,540 --> 00:57:55,290
of the world
1148
00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:56,905
which were
commons and shared
1149
00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:59,010
and we reduced those
to private property.
1150
00:57:59,340 --> 00:58:01,940
Then we went after the oceans
the great oceanic commons
1151
00:58:02,220 --> 00:58:04,580
and we created laws
and regulations
1152
00:58:04,620 --> 00:58:05,545
that would allow countries
1153
00:58:05,580 --> 00:58:08,100
to claim a certain amount
of water outside
1154
00:58:08,460 --> 00:58:10,615
their coastal limits
for exploitation.
1155
00:58:10,650 --> 00:58:12,770
In this century we
went after the air
1156
00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:14,420
and we divided it
into air corridors
1157
00:58:14,540 --> 00:58:15,980
that could be bought
and sold
1158
00:58:16,460 --> 00:58:18,400
for commercial traffic
for airplanes.
1159
00:58:18,435 --> 00:58:20,340
And then of course
the rest is history.
1160
00:58:31,820 --> 00:58:35,500
With deregulation
privatization free trade
1161
00:58:35,660 --> 00:58:40,290
what we're seeing is
yet another enclosure
1162
00:58:40,460 --> 00:58:45,010
and if you like private
taking of the commons.
1163
00:58:45,045 --> 00:58:46,420
One of the things I find
very interesting
1164
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:48,420
in our current debates
1165
00:58:48,620 --> 00:58:51,465
is this concept
of who creates wealth.
1166
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:56,020
That wealth is only created
when it's owned privately.
1167
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:59,100
What would you call
clean water fresh air
1168
00:58:59,180 --> 00:59:00,580
a safe environment?
1169
00:59:00,620 --> 00:59:02,690
Are they not
a form of wealth?
1170
00:59:03,020 --> 00:59:06,330
And why does it only become
wealth when some entity
1171
00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:10,090
puts a fence around it and
declares it private property?
1172
00:59:10,220 --> 00:59:12,340
Well you know that�s
not wealth creation.
1173
00:59:12,620 --> 00:59:14,500
That�s wealth usurpation.
1174
00:59:15,980 --> 00:59:16,780
Over the centuries
1175
00:59:16,940 --> 00:59:19,460
we have put more and more
things in that public realm
1176
00:59:19,820 --> 00:59:21,140
and lately just lately
1177
00:59:21,260 --> 00:59:22,170
in the last
1178
00:59:22,220 --> 00:59:23,260
lets say in the last
three or four decades
1179
00:59:23,295 --> 00:59:24,660
started pulling
them out again.
1180
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:26,850
So fire-fighters
for instance.
1181
00:59:30,820 --> 00:59:32,970
Fire-fighters started
as private companies
1182
00:59:38,620 --> 00:59:40,100
and if you didn�t
have the medallion
1183
00:59:40,135 --> 00:59:42,210
of a given
fire-fighter brigade
1184
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:44,290
on your house and
it was on fire
1185
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:46,980
those fire-fighters
would just ride on by
1186
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:49,380
because you didn�t
have a deal.
1187
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:52,265
Well it gradually
evolved a public trust
1188
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:56,660
for the provision of safety
on that very specific level.
1189
00:59:57,100 --> 00:59:59,780
This is important.
1190
00:59:59,980 --> 01:00:02,345
We should not go back
from that and start saying
1191
01:00:02,380 --> 01:00:04,420
well you know why don�t we
put that back in the market
1192
01:00:04,780 --> 01:00:05,660
and see what that does?
1193
01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:08,610
Maybe it will make
it more efficient
1194
01:00:16,260 --> 01:00:20,140
Privatization does not mean
you take a public institution
1195
01:00:20,175 --> 01:00:24,540
and give it
to some nice person.
1196
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:27,210
It means you take a public
institution and give it
1197
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:29,260
to an unaccountable tyranny.
1198
01:00:34,020 --> 01:00:37,080
Public institutions
have many side benefits
1199
01:00:37,115 --> 01:00:40,140
For one thing they may
purposely run at a loss.
1200
01:00:40,260 --> 01:00:42,300
They're not
out for profit.
1201
01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:44,410
They may purposely
run at a loss
1202
01:00:44,580 --> 01:00:46,300
because of the
side benefits.
1203
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:50,420
So for example if a public
steel industry runs at a loss
1204
01:00:50,455 --> 01:00:53,250
it's providing cheap
steel to other industries
1205
01:00:53,260 --> 01:00:56,770
maybe that�s a good thing.
1206
01:00:57,060 --> 01:01:00,020
Public institutions can have
a counter cyclic property
1207
01:01:00,420 --> 01:01:03,570
So that means that they can
maintain employment
1208
01:01:03,605 --> 01:01:05,260
in periods of recession
1209
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:06,905
which increases demand
1210
01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:09,250
which helps you
get out of recession.
1211
01:01:09,260 --> 01:01:11,650
Private companies cant
do that in a recession
1212
01:01:12,140 --> 01:01:15,530
throw out the work force cause
that�s the way you make money.
1213
01:01:15,565 --> 01:01:17,660
There are those who intend
that one day everything
1214
01:01:17,740 --> 01:01:19,860
will be owned by somebody
1215
01:01:20,140 --> 01:01:22,505
and we're not just
talking goods here.
1216
01:01:22,540 --> 01:01:25,610
We're talking human
rights human services
1217
01:01:25,900 --> 01:01:27,785
essential services for life.
1218
01:01:27,820 --> 01:01:30,730
Education public health
social assistance
1219
01:01:30,740 --> 01:01:34,060
pensions housing.
1220
01:01:34,540 --> 01:01:40,220
We're also talking about
the survival of the planet.
1221
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:43,980
The areas that we believe
must be maintained
1222
01:01:44,140 --> 01:01:45,065
in the commons
1223
01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:48,460
or under common control
or we will collectively die
1224
01:01:48,495 --> 01:01:51,140
Water and air.
1225
01:01:51,340 --> 01:01:54,650
Even in the case of air
there�s been some progress
1226
01:01:54,700 --> 01:01:58,140
and that is the trading
of pollution permits.
1227
01:01:58,175 --> 01:01:59,420
And here the idea
is to say
1228
01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:02,570
look we cant avoid
the dumping of carbon dioxide.
1229
01:02:02,860 --> 01:02:05,500
We cant avoid the dumping
of sulphur oxides
1230
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:07,500
at least we cant at the moment
afford to stopping it
1231
01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:10,010
so we're dumping a certain
amount of stuff
1232
01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:10,740
into the environment.
1233
01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:14,050
So we're going to say
with the current tonnage
1234
01:02:14,340 --> 01:02:17,140
of sulphur oxides
for example
1235
01:02:17,175 --> 01:02:19,940
we will say
that is the limit.
1236
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:22,700
And well create
permits for that amount
1237
01:02:22,980 --> 01:02:25,700
and give them to the people
who�ve been doing the polluting
1238
01:02:25,860 --> 01:02:28,980
and now we will permit
them to be traded.
1239
01:02:29,015 --> 01:02:31,340
And so now there�s
a price attached
1240
01:02:31,620 --> 01:02:34,945
to polluting the environment.
1241
01:02:34,980 --> 01:02:36,730
Now wouldn�t it be marvellous
if we have one of those prices
1242
01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:38,620
for everything?
1243
01:02:39,780 --> 01:02:41,660
It sounds like you�re
advocating private ownership
1244
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:43,370
of every square
inch of the planet.
1245
01:02:43,620 --> 01:02:44,420
Absolutely.
1246
01:02:44,580 --> 01:02:47,580
Every cubic foot
of air water.
1247
01:02:47,615 --> 01:02:50,580
It sounds outlandish to say
1248
01:02:50,820 --> 01:02:52,570
we want to have the
whole universe
1249
01:02:52,740 --> 01:02:54,100
the whole of
the earth owned.
1250
01:02:54,180 --> 01:02:56,780
That doesn�t mean I
want to have Joe Bloggs
1251
01:02:57,060 --> 01:02:58,860
owning this square foot.
1252
01:02:58,980 --> 01:03:04,010
But it means the interests that
are involved in that stream
1253
01:03:04,045 --> 01:03:07,010
are owned by some group
1254
01:03:07,140 --> 01:03:09,740
or by some people who have
an interest in maintaining it.
1255
01:03:10,020 --> 01:03:13,385
And that you know that
is not such a loony idea.
1256
01:03:13,420 --> 01:03:16,820
It's in fact the solution
to a lot of these problems.
1257
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:30,250
Imagine a world in
which one of the things
1258
01:03:30,420 --> 01:03:33,540
owned by a corporation was
the song happy birthday.
1259
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:36,625
In fact
1260
01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:39,180
an AOL/Time Warner subsidiary
holds the copyright.
1261
01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:43,450
In the past
1262
01:03:43,740 --> 01:03:45,425
it has demanded
over $10000
1263
01:03:45,460 --> 01:03:47,770
to allow you to hear anyone
sing this popular song
1264
01:03:47,860 --> 01:03:50,820
in a film.
1265
01:03:51,220 --> 01:03:52,890
We didn�t pay.
1266
01:03:56,460 --> 01:03:58,660
We preferred to use the money
to fly our crew to Boston
1267
01:03:58,820 --> 01:04:01,580
and Los Angeles to bring
you the following story
1268
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:15,690
Comparing the marketing
of yesteryear
1269
01:04:15,725 --> 01:04:17,450
to the marketing of today
1270
01:04:17,460 --> 01:04:21,660
is like comparing
a BB Gun to a smart bomb.
1271
01:04:21,780 --> 01:04:24,820
It's not the same
as when I was a kid
1272
01:04:25,140 --> 01:04:26,545
or even when the people
1273
01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:28,780
who are young adults
today were kids.
1274
01:04:32,140 --> 01:04:36,260
It's much more sophisticated
and it's much more pervasive.
1275
01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:43,140
It's not that products
themselves are bad or good.
1276
01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:46,850
It's the notion of
manipulating children
1277
01:04:46,885 --> 01:04:49,570
into buying the products.
1278
01:04:51,460 --> 01:04:54,060
In 1998 Western
International Media
1279
01:04:54,340 --> 01:04:57,220
Century City and Lieberman
Research Worldwide
1280
01:04:57,255 --> 01:05:00,930
conducted a study on nagging.
1281
01:05:01,060 --> 01:05:03,580
We asked parents to keep
a diary for three weeks
1282
01:05:03,615 --> 01:05:05,130
and to record every time
1283
01:05:05,380 --> 01:05:06,305
you could imagine
1284
01:05:06,340 --> 01:05:10,300
every time their child nagged
them for a product
1285
01:05:10,660 --> 01:05:14,130
we asked them to record
when where and why.
1286
01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:24,250
This study was not to
help parents cope with nagging.
1287
01:05:24,420 --> 01:05:28,050
It was to help corporations
help children nag
1288
01:05:28,140 --> 01:05:31,020
for their products
more effectively.
1289
01:05:32,820 --> 01:05:36,050
Anywhere form 20 percent
to 40 percent of purchases
1290
01:05:36,180 --> 01:05:37,585
would not have occurred
1291
01:05:37,620 --> 01:05:39,610
unless the child had
nagged their parents.
1292
01:05:40,020 --> 01:05:42,330
That is we
found for example
1293
01:05:42,420 --> 01:05:44,785
a quarter of all visits
to theme parks
1294
01:05:44,820 --> 01:05:47,780
wouldn�t have occurred unless
a child nagged their parents.
1295
01:05:48,180 --> 01:05:50,570
Four out of ten visits
to places like Chuck E. Cheese
1296
01:05:50,580 --> 01:05:52,410
would not have occurred.
1297
01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:53,410
And any parent would
understand that
1298
01:05:53,460 --> 01:05:54,820
you know when I
think of Chuck E. Cheese
1299
01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:56,300
oh my goodness
its noise.
1300
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:00,610
And there�s
so many kids.
1301
01:06:00,660 --> 01:06:01,890
Why would I want to
spend two hours there?
1302
01:06:02,100 --> 01:06:04,940
But if the child nags
enough you 're going to go
1303
01:06:04,980 --> 01:06:07,820
We saw the same thing with
movies with home video
1304
01:06:07,860 --> 01:06:09,500
with fast food...
1305
01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:11,180
We do have to break
through this barrier
1306
01:06:11,220 --> 01:06:14,370
where they do tell us
or they say
1307
01:06:14,580 --> 01:06:17,180
they don�t like it
when their kids nag.
1308
01:06:17,460 --> 01:06:20,660
Well that�s just a general
attitude that they possess.
1309
01:06:20,695 --> 01:06:24,220
It doesn�t mean that they
necessarily act upon it
1310
01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:26,780
a 100 percent of the time.
1311
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:32,940
You can manipulate
consumers into wanting
1312
01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:35,660
and therefore buying
your products.
1313
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:38,420
It's a game.
1314
01:06:39,540 --> 01:06:41,255
Children are
not little adults;
1315
01:06:41,290 --> 01:06:42,970
their minds
aren�t developed.
1316
01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:45,100
And what�s happening is that
the marketers are playing
1317
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:47,580
to their developmental
vulnerabilities.
1318
01:06:50,580 --> 01:06:53,620
The advertising that
children are exposed to today
1319
01:06:53,655 --> 01:06:56,420
is honed by psychologists;
1320
01:06:56,740 --> 01:06:58,625
it's enhanced by
media technology
1321
01:06:58,660 --> 01:07:00,810
that nobody ever
thought was possible.
1322
01:07:01,060 --> 01:07:05,260
The more insight you have
about the consumer
1323
01:07:05,380 --> 01:07:09,930
the more creative you�ll be in
your communication strategies.
1324
01:07:10,020 --> 01:07:11,770
So if that takes
a psychologist
1325
01:07:11,940 --> 01:07:15,090
yeah we want one
of those on staff.
1326
01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:18,740
I�m not saying it's wrong
to make things for children.
1327
01:07:18,775 --> 01:07:20,460
I also think its
important to distinguish
1328
01:07:20,580 --> 01:07:23,970
between psychologists who
work on products for children
1329
01:07:24,420 --> 01:07:28,420
to help you know toy
corporations make toys
1330
01:07:28,455 --> 01:07:29,780
that are developmentally
appropriate.
1331
01:07:29,815 --> 01:07:30,740
I think that�s great
1332
01:07:31,140 --> 01:07:32,890
that�s different
from selling the toys
1333
01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:34,540
directly to the children.
1334
01:07:34,575 --> 01:07:36,020
Initiative is huge.
1335
01:07:36,420 --> 01:07:38,780
I think in
the U.S. we place
1336
01:07:38,815 --> 01:07:41,140
about $12 billion
of media time.
1337
01:07:41,220 --> 01:07:43,500
So well put it on TV
well put it in print
1338
01:07:43,620 --> 01:07:46,770
well put it up in outdoor
well buy radio time;
1339
01:07:46,980 --> 01:07:50,940
so we're the biggest buyers of
advertising time and space
1340
01:07:50,975 --> 01:07:53,970
in the U.S.
and in the world.
1341
01:07:54,180 --> 01:07:57,730
One family cannot combat
an industry that spends
1342
01:07:57,820 --> 01:08:00,890
$12 billion a year trying
to get their children.
1343
01:08:01,180 --> 01:08:03,010
They cant do it.
1344
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:05,465
They are tomorrows
adult consumers
1345
01:08:05,500 --> 01:08:08,700
To start talking with them now
build that relationship
1346
01:08:08,860 --> 01:08:09,785
when they�re younger...
1347
01:08:09,820 --> 01:08:11,890
And you�ve got
them as an adult.
1348
01:08:14,620 --> 01:08:17,220
Somebody asked me you
know Lucy is that ethical?
1349
01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:19,810
You know you�re essentially
manipulating these children.
1350
01:08:19,900 --> 01:08:21,730
Well yeah
is it ethical?
1351
01:08:21,820 --> 01:08:22,570
I don�t know.
1352
01:08:22,780 --> 01:08:26,900
But our role at initiative
is to move products
1353
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:28,895
And if we know
you move products
1354
01:08:28,930 --> 01:08:30,690
with a certain
creative execution
1355
01:08:30,940 --> 01:08:33,170
placed in a certain
type of media vehicle
1356
01:08:33,205 --> 01:08:34,450
then we�ve
done our job.
1357
01:08:36,940 --> 01:08:39,930
Every institution
provides the people
1358
01:08:40,260 --> 01:08:42,860
who are members of it
1359
01:08:43,140 --> 01:08:45,900
with a social
role to occupy
1360
01:08:46,020 --> 01:08:49,400
And typically institutions
that are vibrant
1361
01:08:49,435 --> 01:08:52,780
and have a lot of power
will specify that role
1362
01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:56,235
in some sense as
a list of virtues.
1363
01:08:56,270 --> 01:08:59,250
It's true for churches
for schools
1364
01:08:59,460 --> 01:09:02,610
for any institution that
has power over people
1365
01:09:02,645 --> 01:09:04,900
and shapes them.
1366
01:09:05,420 --> 01:09:06,345
The corporation likewise.
1367
01:09:06,380 --> 01:09:08,850
It provides us
with a list of virtues
1368
01:09:08,885 --> 01:09:09,820
a kind of social role
1369
01:09:10,220 --> 01:09:13,290
which is
the good consumer.
1370
01:09:13,580 --> 01:09:16,420
Like the waters
of the mighty ocean
1371
01:09:16,460 --> 01:09:18,345
people also represent
tremendous force
1372
01:09:18,380 --> 01:09:21,100
the understanding of which
is the greatest importance
1373
01:09:21,180 --> 01:09:23,540
to the American
way of life.
1374
01:09:24,020 --> 01:09:26,740
This force is known
as consumer power.
1375
01:09:28,340 --> 01:09:31,490
The goal for the corporations
is to maximize profit
1376
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:33,530
and market share.
1377
01:09:33,620 --> 01:09:36,220
And they also have a goal
for their target
1378
01:09:36,255 --> 01:09:37,580
namely the population.
1379
01:09:37,940 --> 01:09:42,970
They have to be turned into
completely mindless consumers
1380
01:09:43,220 --> 01:09:45,905
of goods that
they do not want.
1381
01:09:45,940 --> 01:09:49,460
You have to develop what
are called created wants
1382
01:09:49,780 --> 01:09:52,170
So you have
to create wants.
1383
01:09:52,180 --> 01:09:53,770
You have to pose
on people what's called
1384
01:09:53,780 --> 01:09:56,090
a philosophy of futility.
1385
01:09:56,380 --> 01:09:58,530
You have to focus them
1386
01:09:58,780 --> 01:10:01,060
on the insignificant
things of life
1387
01:10:01,095 --> 01:10:03,330
like fashionable consumption.
1388
01:10:06,460 --> 01:10:09,530
I�m just basically quoting
business literature.
1389
01:10:09,820 --> 01:10:11,490
And it makes
perfect sense.
1390
01:10:11,740 --> 01:10:13,625
The ideal is to have
individuals
1391
01:10:13,660 --> 01:10:16,570
who are totally disassociated
from one another.
1392
01:10:17,020 --> 01:10:21,250
Who�s conception of
themselves the sense of value
1393
01:10:21,340 --> 01:10:24,970
is just how many created
wants can I satisfy?
1394
01:10:28,340 --> 01:10:30,570
These people are customers
1395
01:10:30,740 --> 01:10:34,660
because they are willing
to trade money for widgets.
1396
01:10:34,695 --> 01:10:37,540
And all the customers
take the widgets home
1397
01:10:37,575 --> 01:10:40,660
to all parts
of the country.
1398
01:10:40,820 --> 01:10:42,890
Look at all the money
the widget builder has
1399
01:10:43,220 --> 01:10:45,585
taken in from the sale
of his widgets.
1400
01:10:45,620 --> 01:10:48,850
We have huge industries
public relations industry
1401
01:10:48,980 --> 01:10:50,300
monstrous industry
1402
01:10:50,420 --> 01:10:53,300
advertising and so on
which are designed
1403
01:10:53,335 --> 01:10:57,690
from infancy to try
to mould people
1404
01:10:58,100 --> 01:11:00,250
into this desired pattern.
1405
01:11:04,340 --> 01:11:05,460
We saw
Tiger Woods on TV
1406
01:11:05,780 --> 01:11:08,060
with a hat
with a Nike logo on it
1407
01:11:08,180 --> 01:11:09,740
and we figured you know
he probably gets
1408
01:11:09,775 --> 01:11:11,140
like millions of dollars
1409
01:11:11,540 --> 01:11:12,945
just to wear the hat
on a press conference.
1410
01:11:12,980 --> 01:11:15,340
And therefore we figured we
can do that for someone else.
1411
01:11:15,860 --> 01:11:18,940
And hopefully get money in
time so we can go to school.
1412
01:11:18,975 --> 01:11:22,020
And that show we came up with
being corporately sponsored.
1413
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:23,330
We made our sponsor
announcement
1414
01:11:23,540 --> 01:11:25,060
on the Today Show
on June 18
1415
01:11:25,260 --> 01:11:27,060
...were thrilled to be
sponsored by First U.S.A...
1416
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:29,300
We're thrilled to be working with
first U.S.A as our corporate
1417
01:11:29,580 --> 01:11:32,780
sponsor and they�re covering
our college tuition...
1418
01:11:32,940 --> 01:11:34,140
...we found First U.S.A as our
sponsor and we're proud
1419
01:11:34,175 --> 01:11:34,970
to be working with them...
1420
01:11:35,340 --> 01:11:37,170
...our sponsor if First U.S.A
1421
01:11:37,260 --> 01:11:40,220
we're really thrilled
to announce First U.S.A
1422
01:11:40,255 --> 01:11:41,180
as our sponsor...
1423
01:11:41,580 --> 01:11:43,860
...we're thrilled to be
working with First U.S.A...
1424
01:11:43,980 --> 01:11:45,180
and so we give First U.S.A
1425
01:11:45,215 --> 01:11:46,345
a good name in the media
1426
01:11:46,380 --> 01:11:47,820
and include them
in our news stories
1427
01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:49,210
and through there
1428
01:11:49,260 --> 01:11:52,380
they get as much advertising
as we can give them.
1429
01:11:52,620 --> 01:11:53,545
They�ll be conforming
1430
01:11:53,580 --> 01:11:55,780
not to the wishes of
demanding parents
1431
01:11:55,980 --> 01:11:59,305
but to the wishes of an image
conscious corporation...
1432
01:11:59,340 --> 01:12:02,300
They�re not just out there for
the money and they�re just...
1433
01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:03,500
I mean they want
to work with us
1434
01:12:03,660 --> 01:12:06,380
and be our friends and let
us help them help us
1435
01:12:06,415 --> 01:12:07,180
and vice versa.
1436
01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:08,380
And we became
walking billboards
1437
01:12:08,460 --> 01:12:09,860
to pay for our
college tuition.
1438
01:12:11,340 --> 01:12:13,380
Cool Site of the day
picked us as a cool site
1439
01:12:13,740 --> 01:12:17,050
and Yahoo picked us and
we were in U.S.A Today.
1440
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:19,820
When we did our photo
shoot for people magazine
1441
01:12:19,900 --> 01:12:24,950
This is where we
stood up on top.
1442
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,800
We stood up here
and we smiled.
1443
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,365
We smiled and
took the picture.
1444
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,200
Our parents had war stories
and stuff to tell us.
1445
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:33,720
We have our corporate
sponsor story.
1446
01:12:33,755 --> 01:12:35,360
Exactly.
1447
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,040
I have a lot of faith
in the corporate world
1448
01:12:39,075 --> 01:12:40,230
because it's always
going to be there
1449
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:41,640
so you may as well
have faith in it
1450
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,480
because if you don�t
then it's just not good.
1451
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:47,235
Some of the best
creative minds
1452
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:48,590
are employed to
assure our faith
1453
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,750
in the corporate
worldview.
1454
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,960
They seduce us with corporate
beguiling illusions.
1455
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:55,920
Designed to divert
our minds
1456
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,000
and manufacture
our consent.
1457
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,520
Corporations don�t advertise
products particularly;
1458
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:09,790
they�re advertising
a way of life.
1459
01:13:09,825 --> 01:13:10,960
A way of thinking.
1460
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:15,880
A story of who we are as people
and how we got here and
1461
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,720
you know what�s the source
of our so called liberty
1462
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,070
and so called freedom.
1463
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,920
You know so you have decades
and decades and decades
1464
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:23,790
of propaganda and
education
1465
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,840
teaching us to think
in a certain way.
1466
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,965
When applied to
the large corporation
1467
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,470
it's that the corporation
is was inevitable
1468
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,120
that it's indispensable
1469
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:34,830
that it is somehow
remarkably efficient
1470
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,710
and that it is responsible
for the sort of
1471
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,750
for progress and
the good life.
1472
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,480
Perception management is a
very interesting concept
1473
01:13:54,515 --> 01:13:56,680
It's basically a methodology
1474
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,640
which helps us when
we work with our clients
1475
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:03,200
to go through a very systematic
thoughtful process
1476
01:14:03,235 --> 01:14:06,640
in order to be able to
help our clients identify
1477
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,080
what the resources are
that they have.
1478
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,840
What the barriers to their
success are
1479
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:13,525
and how we can use
communications
1480
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,320
to help them accomplish
their objectives.
1481
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,200
If Michael or Angelica came
to me and said
1482
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:34,190
Dad what do you do
and why is it important?
1483
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,400
My answer to that question
is basically
1484
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,910
that I help corporations
have a voice.
1485
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,280
And I help corporations
share the point of view
1486
01:14:47,315 --> 01:14:49,520
about how they
feel about things.
1487
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:54,790
They�re selling
themselves
1488
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,040
they�re selling
their domination
1489
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:58,470
they�re selling
their rule
1490
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,240
and they�re creating
an image for themselves
1491
01:15:00,275 --> 01:15:01,870
as just regular folks
down the block.
1492
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,000
Hi how
y'all doing today?
1493
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,925
Good to see you.
1494
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,760
How are you doing today?
1495
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,920
Hi how you
doing today?
1496
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:13,560
We're from Pfizer.
1497
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:14,560
We're your neighbours.
1498
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,000
You're in the new houses?
1499
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,070
Are you in the new houses?
1500
01:15:18,105 --> 01:15:19,070
Ohhhhhh!
1501
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:21,240
These are some neighbours.
1502
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,270
Can we say hello?
1503
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,000
Can we say hello
just for a minute?
1504
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,230
So what do you think
of the neighbourhood now?
1505
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,280
It's all right
it's good.
1506
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:31,630
Yeah I think it�s been
getting better
1507
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,440
over the last 20 years
that I�ve been coming here.
1508
01:15:34,475 --> 01:15:35,165
Yeah
1509
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:36,840
So I think together you
know working with you
1510
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,350
and Pfizer and our
other partnership
1511
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,240
well make this
a better place.
1512
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:42,350
Okay.
1513
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,760
Okay nice to see
you Miss Fraser bye.
1514
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,070
There used to be a lot
of crime at this subway.
1515
01:15:50,105 --> 01:15:52,520
One night as I was going
home I got caught
1516
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,000
and was almost mugged.
1517
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:59,470
So we decided
to make a change
1518
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,240
to make
this community better.
1519
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,920
We're looking
at turnstiles
1520
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,350
that prevent fare beating.
1521
01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:13,285
It used to be you could
just hop right over.
1522
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,840
So Pfizer in collaboration
with the transit authority
1523
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,040
actually purchased
these machines.
1524
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,840
This is a talkback box
that allows us to speak
1525
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,405
to the Pfizer guard
1526
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:34,070
which is approximately
500 yards from here.
1527
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:35,920
Now I haven�t seen
the Pfizer guard today
1528
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:37,560
but I�m going to see
if I can call him.
1529
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,870
If he�s not I'll have
to go wake him up.
1530
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:40,790
Hello.
1531
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:41,880
Hello.
1532
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:42,950
Tom Kline speaking.
1533
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,550
So I'm sure
1534
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:48,920
before we're through
hell call back.
1535
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:50,565
But particularly
on the off-hours
1536
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,560
this allows a passenger
to call directly
1537
01:16:54,595 --> 01:16:56,880
to the Pfizer
desk for assistance.
1538
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:01,060
And then the Pfizer guard
calls the transit police
1539
01:17:01,095 --> 01:17:04,800
and the transit police respond
to any crime situation.
1540
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,600
As a result of all this
crime is down in that station.
1541
01:17:07,635 --> 01:17:09,840
It's much safer for
our community partners.
1542
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:11,190
Thank you.
1543
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:18,200
I'll press the other button
just to be sure...
1544
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:27,390
Well go over and
talk to him personally.
1545
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:37,830
It's tough you know
they�re putting
1546
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,040
some taxpayer shareholder
money into helping
1547
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,150
and who can say?
1548
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:43,960
But that money should be
going to the taxpayers
1549
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,840
to decide what to do.
1550
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,350
And while they�re doing
those sorts of nice things
1551
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,270
they�re also playing a role in
lowering taxes for corporations
1552
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,150
and lowering taxes
for wealthy people
1553
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,000
and reconfiguring
public policy.
1554
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,190
And what we don�t see is all
that reconfiguring going on;
1555
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:01,620
we don�t see all that
vacuuming up of money
1556
01:18:01,655 --> 01:18:03,800
vacuuming out the insides
of public processes
1557
01:18:03,835 --> 01:18:05,720
but we do see
the nice fa�ade.
1558
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:36,725
When I was researching
the takeover of public space
1559
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,910
when I started off I thought
okay this is just advertising.
1560
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:41,835
We�ve always had advertising.
1561
01:18:41,870 --> 01:18:43,550
It's just more advertising.
1562
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,190
But what I started
to understand
1563
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:46,325
and what I
understand now
1564
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:50,560
is that branding if not
advertising its production.
1565
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:51,880
The very
successful corporations
1566
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,960
the corporations of the future
do not produce products.
1567
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,040
They produced
brand meaning.
1568
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,560
The dissemination of
the idea of themselves
1569
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,165
is their act of production.
1570
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,190
And the dissemination of
the idea of themselves
1571
01:19:04,225 --> 01:19:08,560
is an enormously
invasive project
1572
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,280
so how do you
make a brand idea?
1573
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,920
Well a good place to
start is by building
1574
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:16,880
a three dimensional
manifestation of your brand.
1575
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,200
For a company like Disney
1576
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,280
it goes even further
1577
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,360
where it's actually building
a town Celebration Florida.
1578
01:19:23,395 --> 01:19:25,120
Currently there are
about 5000 residents
1579
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,120
who call Celebration home.
1580
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,585
And there are about 1300
single-family homes
1581
01:19:30,620 --> 01:19:33,670
a town centre that�s a place
where people gather.
1582
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,030
It has about four
or five restaurants
1583
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,310
and about a dozen
other shops.
1584
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,400
Their inspiration
their brand image
1585
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,285
is the all American family.
1586
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,520
And the sort of
bygone American town.
1587
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:11,190
Their brand driver is family
magic and everything
1588
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:16,190
that the company does is in
and around those two words.
1589
01:20:16,225 --> 01:20:18,160
If you take that
1590
01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:21,590
a branded environment
such as a Disney World
1591
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,190
or a Disneyland is a logical
extension of that brand.
1592
01:20:25,225 --> 01:20:28,492
Film animated film
family oriented film;
1593
01:20:28,527 --> 01:20:31,760
it's a very logical
extension of that.
1594
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:33,160
As a business though
1595
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,920
they also know that
if they want to get
1596
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,590
into other forms of
entertainment
1597
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,200
that does not fit
family magic
1598
01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:43,940
they do not brand
it Disney.
1599
01:20:43,975 --> 01:20:46,400
If they want to get
into adult
1600
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:48,645
more serious type fare
1601
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,960
when it comes to film
they brand it Touchstone.
1602
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,400
Disney brand
speaks of reassurance
1603
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,560
it speaks of tradition
it speaks of quality.
1604
01:20:57,595 --> 01:20:58,910
And you can see that here
1605
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,085
in this community
that we�ve built.
1606
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,240
And that�s where you
see the truly imperialist
1607
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,910
aspirations of branding
which is about building
1608
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,590
these privatized
branded cocoons.
1609
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,230
Which maybe you start
by shopping in
1610
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,755
and then you continue
by holidaying in
1611
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:19,110
but eventually why
not just move in.
1612
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,000
What happens if we
wake up one day
1613
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,320
and we find out that virtually
all of our relationships
1614
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,990
that are mediated between
us and our fellow human beings
1615
01:21:30,025 --> 01:21:31,685
are commercial?
1616
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,760
We find out that virtually
every relationship we have
1617
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,040
is a commercially
arbitrated relationship
1618
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,165
with our fellow human being?
1619
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,510
Can civilization survive on
that narrow a definition
1620
01:21:42,545 --> 01:21:44,920
of how we interact
with each other?
1621
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,350
Wow what a dream...
1622
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:56,230
I can give you the day
in the life of a person
1623
01:21:56,440 --> 01:21:58,670
who might be the target
of undercover marketing.
1624
01:21:58,840 --> 01:21:59,960
And I will
tell you this
1625
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,430
that some of these things
are happening right now
1626
01:22:02,465 --> 01:22:03,240
around you.
1627
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,280
So you walk out of your
building in the morning
1628
01:22:05,315 --> 01:22:06,070
in some city
1629
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:07,670
and you walk by
the doorman and say
1630
01:22:07,705 --> 01:22:08,550
hey good morning!
1631
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,520
And you notice there�s a
bunch of boxes at his feet
1632
01:22:11,555 --> 01:22:14,040
from some on line
or mail order retailer.
1633
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,270
And there�s a bunch of boxes
there with of course
1634
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:17,830
big brand message on it.
1635
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:19,440
You walk out
and wonder
1636
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:21,230
a lot of people must be
ordering from that company.
1637
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,870
Well what you don�t know is
that we paid the doorman
1638
01:22:23,905 --> 01:22:24,630
to keep those
empty boxes there.
1639
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:26,565
You walk out
into the street
1640
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,590
and you hear some people
having kind of a loud conversation
1641
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,325
about a musical act
1642
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:33,920
and they are passing
headphones back and forth
1643
01:22:33,955 --> 01:22:35,200
and going
this is great!
1644
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,440
Hey do you know that I heard
this CD is really hard to find
1645
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:45,760
but I heard they
sell it at store X.
1646
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:47,600
You hear that and
you register it
1647
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:49,160
and you might kind
of pick up on that
1648
01:22:49,195 --> 01:22:50,600
and may be later
on you�ll think
1649
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,030
hey I wonder what the
hot act is bang
1650
01:22:52,065 --> 01:22:53,232
that might be in your head.
1651
01:22:53,267 --> 01:22:54,400
Now you get
into your office
1652
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,400
and there�s a certain brand
of water in the refrigerator.
1653
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,565
What is that?
1654
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,510
You take it out you drink
you slug it down it's there
1655
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,510
not really
thinking about it.
1656
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:04,365
Wow!
1657
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,120
That�s pretty good water.
1658
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:07,640
Who knows?
1659
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,080
Maybe someone placed
the water there
1660
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:10,125
You kind of go out
for your lunch break
1661
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,760
you�re sitting in the park and
people are kind of out there
1662
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:14,150
talking in the
park and bang
1663
01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:15,590
all of a sudden you
hear another message.
1664
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,400
By the time you go to bed
you've probably received
1665
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:25,990
eight or nine different
undercover messages.
1666
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:27,000
People are always thinking
1667
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:28,360
well oh I know
product placement.
1668
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,080
That�s when they
put stuff in movies!
1669
01:23:30,115 --> 01:23:31,360
Well yes kind of.
1670
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,230
I mean that�s definitely
traditional product placement.
1671
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,440
But real life product
placement is just that:
1672
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:39,270
Placing stuff in movies but
the movie�s actually your life
1673
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:41,950
Well take a group
of attainable
1674
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:42,790
but still
inspirational people
1675
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:43,830
they are not supermodels
1676
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,080
they are kind of
people just like you
1677
01:23:46,115 --> 01:23:47,560
they�re doing
something for us
1678
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:49,870
whether they are having
a certain kind of drink
1679
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:51,200
or they are using
a certain laundry detergent
1680
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:52,640
whatever it may be.
1681
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:56,840
They are kind of the
roach motel if you will
1682
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:58,600
People are going
to come over to them
1683
01:23:58,635 --> 01:23:59,892
and they are
going to give them
1684
01:23:59,927 --> 01:24:01,150
this little piece
of brand bait.
1685
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:02,990
It could be a sound bite
of knowledge or a ritual.
1686
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,920
Consumers will get that
piece of roach bait
1687
01:24:05,955 --> 01:24:06,840
then they
would take it.
1688
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:07,925
Oh pretty cool!
1689
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,560
Then they go out and
spread it to their friends.
1690
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:11,680
If you want to be critical
1691
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:12,880
if you want to go through
your life like that
1692
01:24:12,915 --> 01:24:14,000
sure be critical
of every single person
1693
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,190
that walks up to you.
1695
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:18,439
But if they are showing
you something that fits
1696
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:19,628
and something that works
1697
01:24:19,919 --> 01:24:21,352
and something that makes
your life better in some way
1698
01:24:21,359 --> 01:24:22,757
well then who cares.
1699
01:24:22,798 --> 01:24:25,436
We again
just say thanks!
1700
01:24:32,395 --> 01:24:34,988
Today the job of building
this nation geographically
1701
01:24:35,274 --> 01:24:36,713
is completed.
1702
01:24:36,714 --> 01:24:40,262
There are no new frontiers
within or borders.
1703
01:24:40,552 --> 01:24:44,260
So to what new horizons
can we look now?
1704
01:24:44,391 --> 01:24:46,665
Where are tomorrows
opportunities?
1705
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:50,628
What's ahead for you
for your children?
1706
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:54,018
The frontiers of the
future are not on any map.
1707
01:24:54,468 --> 01:24:56,662
They're in the test
tubes and laboratories
1708
01:24:56,663 --> 01:24:58,218
of the great industries.
1709
01:25:04,545 --> 01:25:06,739
The Chakrabarty case is one of
the great judicial moments
1710
01:25:06,944 --> 01:25:09,342
in world history.
1711
01:25:09,343 --> 01:25:10,981
And the public
was totally unaware
1712
01:25:11,262 --> 01:25:14,298
it was actually happening as
a process was being engaged.
1713
01:25:14,299 --> 01:25:16,496
General Electric
and Professor Chakrabarty
1714
01:25:17,021 --> 01:25:19,056
went to the patent office
with a little microbe
1715
01:25:19,057 --> 01:25:20,378
that eats up oil spills.
1716
01:25:20,379 --> 01:25:23,609
They said they had modified
this microbe in the laboratory
1717
01:25:23,738 --> 01:25:25,137
and therefore it
was an invention.
1718
01:25:25,178 --> 01:25:26,496
The patent office and
the U.S. Government
1719
01:25:26,617 --> 01:25:29,051
took a look at this
quote invention;
1720
01:25:29,496 --> 01:25:31,415
they said no way.
1721
01:25:31,416 --> 01:25:33,326
The patent statures don't
cover living things.
1722
01:25:33,815 --> 01:25:35,691
This is not an invention.
1723
01:25:35,734 --> 01:25:37,008
Turned down.
1724
01:25:37,174 --> 01:25:39,448
Then General Electric and
Doctor Chakrabarty
1725
01:25:39,573 --> 01:25:42,451
appealed to the U.S. Customs
Court of Appeal.
1726
01:25:42,452 --> 01:25:45,284
And to everyone's surprise
by a three to two decision
1727
01:25:45,331 --> 01:25:47,322
they overrode
the patent office.
1728
01:25:51,089 --> 01:25:52,886
They said this
microbe looks more
1729
01:25:53,009 --> 01:25:54,707
like a detergent
or a reagent
1730
01:25:54,708 --> 01:25:56,407
than a horse or a honeybee.
1731
01:25:56,808 --> 01:25:59,844
I laugh because they didn't
understand basic biology;
1732
01:25:59,845 --> 01:26:01,039
it looked like a
chemical to them.
1733
01:26:01,126 --> 01:26:04,162
Had it had an antenna or
eyes or wings or legs
1734
01:26:04,485 --> 01:26:08,477
it would never have crossed
their table and been patented.
1735
01:26:08,478 --> 01:26:10,279
Then the patent
office appealed.
1736
01:26:10,723 --> 01:26:12,156
And what the public
should realize now
1737
01:26:12,163 --> 01:26:13,754
is the patent office
was very clear
1738
01:26:13,755 --> 01:26:16,069
that you cant
patent life.
1739
01:26:16,481 --> 01:26:21,031
My organization provided
the main amicus curiae brief
1740
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,714
if you allow the patent on
this microbe we argued
1741
01:26:23,715 --> 01:26:26,228
it means that without any
congressional guidance
1742
01:26:26,478 --> 01:26:28,195
or public discussion
1743
01:26:28,397 --> 01:26:32,469
corporations will own
the blueprints of life.
1744
01:26:32,716 --> 01:26:34,990
When they made the decision
we lost by five to four
1745
01:26:35,115 --> 01:26:37,025
and Chief Justice
Warren said
1746
01:26:37,034 --> 01:26:39,184
sure some of these
are big issues
1747
01:26:39,434 --> 01:26:41,352
but we think this
is a small decision.
1748
01:26:41,353 --> 01:26:43,627
Seven years later
the U.S. Patent office issued
1749
01:26:43,752 --> 01:26:45,663
a one sentence decree
1750
01:26:45,672 --> 01:26:47,582
you can patent anything
in the world that's alive
1751
01:26:47,591 --> 01:26:49,308
except a full birth
human being.
1752
01:28:19,241 --> 01:28:22,596
We've all been hearing
about the announcement
1753
01:28:22,597 --> 01:28:23,350
that we have mapped
the human genome.
1754
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,391
But what the public
doesn't know
1755
01:28:26,759 --> 01:28:29,556
is now there's this great
race by genomic companies
1756
01:28:29,638 --> 01:28:31,992
and biotech companies
and life science companies
1757
01:28:32,037 --> 01:28:34,311
to find the treasure
in the map.
1758
01:28:34,436 --> 01:28:35,266
The treasure are
the individual genes
1759
01:28:35,396 --> 01:28:38,512
that make up the blueprint
of the human race.
1760
01:28:38,755 --> 01:28:40,312
Every time they capture
agene and isolate it
1761
01:28:40,313 --> 01:28:41,343
these biotech companies
1762
01:28:41,634 --> 01:28:43,430
they claim it as
intellectual property.
1763
01:28:43,553 --> 01:28:44,852
The breast cancer gene
1764
01:28:44,853 --> 01:28:46,150
the cystic fibrosis gene
1765
01:28:46,432 --> 01:28:48,229
it goes on and
on and on.
1766
01:28:48,351 --> 01:28:50,945
If this goes unchallenged in
the world community
1767
01:28:51,071 --> 01:28:53,300
within less than 10 years
1768
01:28:53,470 --> 01:28:54,982
a handful of global
companies will own
1769
01:28:54,983 --> 01:28:57,264
directly or through license
1770
01:28:57,309 --> 01:29:01,061
the actual genes that make up
the evolution of our species.
1771
01:29:01,147 --> 01:29:03,297
And they're now beginning
to patent the genomes
1772
01:29:03,547 --> 01:29:06,140
of every other creature
on this planet.
1773
01:29:06,905 --> 01:29:09,300
In the age of biology the
politics is going to sort out
1774
01:29:09,301 --> 01:29:11,695
between those who believe life
first has intrinsic value
1775
01:29:11,704 --> 01:29:14,342
and therefore we should
choose technologies
1776
01:29:14,463 --> 01:29:16,180
and commercial venues
1777
01:29:16,382 --> 01:29:17,337
that honour
the intrinsic value...
1778
01:29:17,342 --> 01:29:18,218
And then we're going
to have people who believe
1779
01:29:18,302 --> 01:29:22,088
look life is
a simple utility.
1780
01:29:22,620 --> 01:29:23,579
It's commercial fare
1781
01:29:23,580 --> 01:29:24,695
and they will line up
with the idea
1782
01:29:25,020 --> 01:29:27,374
to let the marketplace be
the ultimate arbiter
1783
01:29:27,419 --> 01:29:29,136
of all of the age
of biology.
1784
01:29:34,256 --> 01:29:36,292
In a world economy where
information is filtered
1785
01:29:36,656 --> 01:29:38,566
by global media corporations
1786
01:29:38,575 --> 01:29:41,407
keenly attuned to their
powerful advertisers
1787
01:29:41,454 --> 01:29:43,921
who will defend
the publics right to know?
1788
01:29:44,333 --> 01:29:46,687
And what price must be
paid to preserve our ability
1789
01:29:46,732 --> 01:29:48,370
to make informed choices?
1790
01:29:58,729 --> 01:30:01,322
What Fox Television told us
was that we were just the people
1791
01:30:01,608 --> 01:30:03,106
to be the investigators.
1792
01:30:03,107 --> 01:30:04,486
Do any stories you want
1793
01:30:04,487 --> 01:30:06,442
ask tough questions
and get answers.
1794
01:30:06,886 --> 01:30:07,845
So we thought
1795
01:30:07,846 --> 01:30:09,073
this is great
this is a dream job.
1796
01:30:09,285 --> 01:30:10,400
Fantastic.
1797
01:30:10,725 --> 01:30:12,077
The very first
thing they had us do
1798
01:30:12,164 --> 01:30:13,123
was not to research stories
1799
01:30:13,124 --> 01:30:14,795
but to shoot this
promo which was...
1800
01:30:15,043 --> 01:30:16,271
The Investigators.
1801
01:30:18,402 --> 01:30:19,630
Uncovering the truth
1802
01:30:19,842 --> 01:30:22,560
getting results
protecting you.
1803
01:30:22,721 --> 01:30:25,029
And they had a film
crew a smoke machine
1804
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,235
were silhouetted...
1805
01:30:27,519 --> 01:30:29,316
One of the first stories
that Jane came up with
1806
01:30:29,438 --> 01:30:32,111
was the revelation
that most of the milk
1807
01:30:32,112 --> 01:30:32,826
in the state of Florida
1808
01:30:33,077 --> 01:30:35,749
and throughout much of the
country was adulterated
1809
01:30:35,956 --> 01:30:38,834
with the effects of bovine
growth hormone
1810
01:30:38,835 --> 01:30:42,588
with Monsanto I didn't realize
how effectively a corporation
1811
01:30:43,154 --> 01:30:45,411
could work to get something
on the marketplace.
1812
01:30:45,412 --> 01:30:47,669
The levels of coordination
they had to have.
1813
01:30:47,952 --> 01:30:50,420
They had to get university
professors into the fold.
1814
01:30:50,421 --> 01:30:52,421
They had to get
experts into the fold.
1815
01:30:52,751 --> 01:30:54,627
They had to get
reporters into the fold
1816
01:30:54,670 --> 01:30:56,501
They had to get
the public into the fold
1817
01:30:56,590 --> 01:30:58,425
and of course the FDA
lets not leave them out.
1818
01:30:58,426 --> 01:31:00,260
They had to get the federal
regulators convinced
1819
01:31:00,428 --> 01:31:02,862
that this was
a fine and safe product
1820
01:31:02,863 --> 01:31:04,021
to get it onto the
marketplace.
1821
01:31:04,267 --> 01:31:05,177
And they did that;
1822
01:31:05,227 --> 01:31:07,740
they did that
very very well.
1823
01:31:07,906 --> 01:31:11,375
Posilac is a single most
tested product in history
1824
01:31:11,376 --> 01:31:13,732
and is now available
to you specifically.
1825
01:31:14,144 --> 01:31:16,418
So you can increase
your profit potential.
1826
01:31:16,543 --> 01:31:18,976
The federal government
basically rubber stamped it
1827
01:31:18,977 --> 01:31:21,012
before they put it
on the marketplace.
1828
01:31:21,342 --> 01:31:23,536
The longest test they
did for human toxicity
1829
01:31:23,741 --> 01:31:25,970
was 90 days on thirty rats.
1830
01:31:26,140 --> 01:31:29,927
And then either Monsanto
misreported the results
1831
01:31:29,979 --> 01:31:30,937
to the FDA
1832
01:31:30,938 --> 01:31:32,974
or the FDA didn't bother
to look in depth
1833
01:31:33,338 --> 01:31:35,612
at Monsanto's own studies.
1834
01:31:35,737 --> 01:31:38,409
The scientists within Health
Canada looked very carefully
1835
01:31:38,410 --> 01:31:39,410
at bovine growth hormone
1836
01:31:39,576 --> 01:31:41,008
and came to very
different conclusions
1837
01:31:41,495 --> 01:31:44,373
than the Food and Drug
Administration in the U.S. Did
1838
01:31:44,374 --> 01:31:47,365
Monsanto's engineered
growth hormone did not comply
1839
01:31:47,733 --> 01:31:49,171
with safety requirements.
1840
01:31:49,172 --> 01:31:51,083
It could be absorbed
by the body
1841
01:31:51,092 --> 01:31:53,810
and therefore did have
implications for human health.
1842
01:31:53,971 --> 01:31:56,484
Mysteriously that
conclusion was deleted
1843
01:31:56,850 --> 01:32:00,159
from the final published
version of their report...
1844
01:32:00,209 --> 01:32:01,960
I personally
was very concerned
1845
01:32:02,128 --> 01:32:06,006
that there's a very serious
problem of secrecy
1846
01:32:06,007 --> 01:32:07,762
conspiracy and things
of that nature.
1847
01:32:08,006 --> 01:32:10,678
We have been pressured
and coerced
1848
01:32:10,885 --> 01:32:13,398
to pass drugs of
questionable safety
1849
01:32:13,604 --> 01:32:15,061
including RB ST.
1850
01:32:15,062 --> 01:32:16,518
We wrote the story.
1851
01:32:16,923 --> 01:32:18,914
We had it ready a
week beforehand.
1852
01:32:18,915 --> 01:32:20,195
They bought ads
1853
01:32:20,282 --> 01:32:22,238
...farmers in the milk
industry say it's safe
1854
01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:24,396
but studies suggest
a link to cancer.
1855
01:32:24,601 --> 01:32:26,238
Don't miss this special report
from The Investigators...
1856
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:29,511
That Friday night before the
Monday the series was to begin
1857
01:32:29,759 --> 01:32:32,077
the fax machine
spit out a letter
1858
01:32:32,078 --> 01:32:35,752
from this very high priced
lawyer in New York
1859
01:32:35,917 --> 01:32:37,748
that Monsanto had hired.
1860
01:32:37,837 --> 01:32:39,667
It contained a lot of
things that were just
1861
01:32:39,716 --> 01:32:40,865
off-the-wall false
1862
01:32:41,155 --> 01:32:42,594
Just demonstrably false
1863
01:32:42,595 --> 01:32:44,232
but if you didn't
know the story
1864
01:32:44,514 --> 01:32:46,691
and you didn't know how
wed gone about producing
1865
01:32:46,692 --> 01:32:48,867
it would have scared
you as a broadcaster
1866
01:32:49,233 --> 01:32:51,029
or as a manager.
1867
01:32:51,152 --> 01:32:53,029
And they decided that they
would pull the story
1868
01:32:53,072 --> 01:32:55,824
and they would just check
it one more time.
1869
01:32:55,951 --> 01:32:58,145
But the bottom line was that
there was no factual errors
1870
01:32:58,350 --> 01:32:59,308
in that story.
1871
01:32:59,309 --> 01:33:00,708
Both sides had been
heard from
1872
01:33:01,229 --> 01:33:03,503
both sides had had an
opportunity to speak.
1873
01:33:03,628 --> 01:33:04,587
One week later
1874
01:33:04,588 --> 01:33:06,339
Monsanto sent
the second letter
1875
01:33:06,507 --> 01:33:08,622
and this was even
more strongly worded.
1876
01:33:08,906 --> 01:33:12,420
And it said there will be dire
consequences for Fox News
1877
01:33:12,421 --> 01:33:15,540
if the story airs
in Florida.
1878
01:33:15,584 --> 01:33:17,540
And this time
they freaked.
1879
01:33:17,983 --> 01:33:20,177
They were afraid
of being sued
1880
01:33:20,178 --> 01:33:22,370
and losing
advertising dollars.
1881
01:33:22,782 --> 01:33:25,477
And all of the stations
owned by Rupert Murdoch.
1882
01:33:25,478 --> 01:33:28,172
And he owned more television
stations than any
1883
01:33:28,540 --> 01:33:29,938
other group in America.
1884
01:33:29,979 --> 01:33:31,412
That's 22
television stations.
1885
01:33:31,419 --> 01:33:32,932
That's a lot of
advertising dollars.
1886
01:33:33,338 --> 01:33:35,977
For Round Up Aspartame
Nutra Sweet
1887
01:33:35,978 --> 01:33:37,295
and other products.
1888
01:33:37,457 --> 01:33:39,287
So we got into
a battle.
1889
01:33:39,376 --> 01:33:43,084
And uh the first deal was
the new general manager
1890
01:33:43,215 --> 01:33:44,853
his name's Dave and
Dave is a salesman.
1891
01:33:45,135 --> 01:33:45,805
And you know
he'd pump your hand
1892
01:33:46,094 --> 01:33:47,053
how ya doin
how ya doin?
1893
01:33:47,054 --> 01:33:49,727
Called us upstairs to
his office and he said
1894
01:33:49,728 --> 01:33:52,400
what would you say if
I killed this piece?
1895
01:33:52,812 --> 01:33:54,730
What if it never ran?
1896
01:33:54,731 --> 01:33:56,323
And we said
well you know
1897
01:33:56,651 --> 01:33:58,242
we wouldn't be very
happy about that.
1898
01:33:58,490 --> 01:33:59,849
And he said well I
could kill it you know
1899
01:33:59,850 --> 01:34:01,208
and we said yes of
course you're the manager
1900
01:34:01,649 --> 01:34:03,764
you could kill it
it would never air.
1901
01:34:03,765 --> 01:34:05,524
And he hemming
and he showing.
1902
01:34:05,525 --> 01:34:06,681
He's back
and he's forth.
1903
01:34:06,927 --> 01:34:08,280
And we couldn't figure out
what is this all about
1904
01:34:08,367 --> 01:34:09,561
and finally
he blurted out
1905
01:34:09,806 --> 01:34:12,922
look would
you tell anybody?
1906
01:34:13,165 --> 01:34:15,474
You know I said I'm
not going to lie for you.
1907
01:34:15,565 --> 01:34:17,395
And about a week later he
calls us back to the office
1908
01:34:17,484 --> 01:34:19,997
and says okay wed like you
to make these changes.
1909
01:34:19,998 --> 01:34:22,515
In fact you will
make these changes.
1910
01:34:22,722 --> 01:34:24,394
We said well look let us
show you the research
1911
01:34:24,642 --> 01:34:27,155
that we have that
shows that this information
1912
01:34:27,156 --> 01:34:28,712
you want us to
broadcast isn't true.
1913
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:29,756
To which he replies.
1914
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:31,796
I don't care about that.
1915
01:34:31,839 --> 01:34:33,192
I said pardon me?
1916
01:34:33,279 --> 01:34:35,109
And he said well that's
what I have lawyers for
1917
01:34:35,158 --> 01:34:37,830
just write it the way the
lawyers want it written.
1918
01:34:38,037 --> 01:34:39,550
I said you know
this is news
1919
01:34:39,917 --> 01:34:40,875
this is important.
1920
01:34:40,876 --> 01:34:42,912
This is stuff
people wanted to know.
1921
01:34:43,276 --> 01:34:45,186
And I'll never forget he
didn't pause a beat
1922
01:34:45,187 --> 01:34:46,110
and he said
1923
01:34:46,434 --> 01:34:48,253
we just paid three
billion dollars
1924
01:34:48,254 --> 01:34:50,071
for these
television stations
1925
01:34:50,273 --> 01:34:53,025
Well tell you what
the news is.
1926
01:34:53,152 --> 01:34:55,824
The news is what
we say it is.
1927
01:34:56,031 --> 01:34:57,384
I said I'm not
doing that.
1928
01:34:57,431 --> 01:34:58,625
And and he said
1929
01:34:58,870 --> 01:35:00,667
Well he said if you refuse
to present this story
1930
01:35:00,790 --> 01:35:02,903
the way we think it
should be presented
1931
01:35:02,904 --> 01:35:05,017
you'll be fired
for insubordination.
1932
01:35:05,108 --> 01:35:07,827
I said I will go to the Federal
Communications Commissions
1933
01:35:07,987 --> 01:35:12,218
and I will report that
I was fired from my job by you
1934
01:35:12,306 --> 01:35:14,224
the licensee of these
public airwaves
1935
01:35:14,225 --> 01:35:16,978
because I refused to lie
to people on the air.
1936
01:35:17,104 --> 01:35:20,539
And it's thank you very much
you'll hear from us right away.
1937
01:35:20,943 --> 01:35:24,093
Well 24 hours came and went
and we didn't hear a thing.
1938
01:35:24,302 --> 01:35:26,054
And about a week later
he calls us back
1939
01:35:26,055 --> 01:35:27,891
and now we've
changed strategies.
1940
01:35:28,141 --> 01:35:31,018
How about if we
pay you some money
1941
01:35:31,020 --> 01:35:34,136
and you just go away?
1942
01:35:34,379 --> 01:35:37,734
And I said
how much money?
1943
01:35:37,738 --> 01:35:39,534
Because when somebody
offers to bribe you like that
1944
01:35:39,657 --> 01:35:41,612
I always want to know if
it might be worth it.
1945
01:35:42,056 --> 01:35:45,730
He was going to offer us the
rest of our years salary
1946
01:35:45,775 --> 01:35:52,167
if we agreed not to talk about
what Monsanto had done
1947
01:35:52,168 --> 01:35:55,561
To not talk about the Fox
corporate response
1948
01:35:55,852 --> 01:35:57,290
in suppressing the story.
1949
01:35:57,291 --> 01:36:00,521
And to not talk
about the story.
1950
01:36:00,650 --> 01:36:04,324
Not talk about BGH
again anywhere.
1951
01:36:04,489 --> 01:36:07,082
Not take this story to
another new organization.
1952
01:36:07,248 --> 01:36:09,556
Zip up.
1953
01:36:09,647 --> 01:36:11,797
I said you mean if I want to go
to my daughter's PTA meetings
1954
01:36:12,047 --> 01:36:13,904
and explain what's
in the school milk
1955
01:36:13,905 --> 01:36:15,762
at the school lunch
program I cant?
1956
01:36:15,885 --> 01:36:18,352
No you can never speak
about this anywhere.
1957
01:36:18,764 --> 01:36:21,596
Steve says
okay write it up.
1958
01:36:21,643 --> 01:36:25,032
And I'm like what are you
talking about write it up?
1959
01:36:25,033 --> 01:36:27,197
And I didn't say anything.
1960
01:36:27,401 --> 01:36:31,996
And Dave he wrote it
up and he FedEx it to us
1961
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:33,951
a couple of days later.
1962
01:36:34,119 --> 01:36:36,997
And he said
are you going to sign?
1963
01:36:36,998 --> 01:36:40,069
And we said nah Dave
we're not going to sign that.
1964
01:36:40,317 --> 01:36:42,512
And he said well
send it back okay?
1965
01:36:42,716 --> 01:36:44,832
We said no Dave were
not going to send that back.
1966
01:36:44,833 --> 01:36:47,991
It was okay we
cant buy you out
1967
01:36:48,475 --> 01:36:49,433
we cant shut you up
1968
01:36:49,434 --> 01:36:52,630
lets get the story on the air
in a way that we can all agree
1969
01:36:52,793 --> 01:36:53,782
it will go on the air.
1970
01:36:54,073 --> 01:36:57,269
And we started rewriting and
editing with their lawyers.
1971
01:36:57,432 --> 01:36:59,830
During this eight month
re-review process
1972
01:36:59,831 --> 01:37:04,141
I say jokingly they did things
like for example they wanted
1973
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:05,707
to take out
the word cancer.
1974
01:37:06,069 --> 01:37:09,265
You don't have to identify
what the potential problem is
1975
01:37:09,428 --> 01:37:12,737
just say human
health implications.
1976
01:37:12,787 --> 01:37:15,380
Any criticism
of Monsanto or its product
1977
01:37:15,466 --> 01:37:18,304
they either removed
it or minimized it.
1978
01:37:18,305 --> 01:37:21,142
And it was very very
clear I would say
1979
01:37:21,224 --> 01:37:23,817
almost every edit
they made to the piece
1980
01:37:24,103 --> 01:37:25,252
that was the aim.
1981
01:37:25,543 --> 01:37:27,339
And we changed this
and this and this.
1982
01:37:27,340 --> 01:37:28,495
And then that
wasn't good enough
1983
01:37:28,901 --> 01:37:30,778
okay now change
this and this.
1984
01:37:30,821 --> 01:37:32,572
Now change this and this.
1985
01:37:32,740 --> 01:37:35,572
Version after version
after version.
1986
01:37:35,619 --> 01:37:38,212
83 times.
1987
01:37:38,498 --> 01:37:41,330
83 times is unheard
of it doesn't happen
1988
01:37:41,377 --> 01:37:43,447
you shouldn't have to
rewrite something 83 times
1989
01:37:43,448 --> 01:37:45,730
Obviously they didn't want
to put the thing on the air
1990
01:37:46,176 --> 01:37:48,405
and they were trying to drive us
crazy and get us to quit
1991
01:37:48,406 --> 01:37:50,528
or wait until the first
window in our contract
1992
01:37:50,974 --> 01:37:52,373
so that they
could fire us.
1993
01:37:52,414 --> 01:37:55,086
They in effect announced that
they were going to fire us
1994
01:37:55,293 --> 01:37:57,681
for no cause.
1995
01:37:57,692 --> 01:37:59,131
Well this was
a little much.
1996
01:37:59,132 --> 01:38:01,884
And Steve wrote a letter
to the lawyer in Atlanta
1997
01:38:02,011 --> 01:38:05,002
whose name is Caroline Forest
the Fox corporate lawyer.
1998
01:38:05,369 --> 01:38:09,884
And I said you know this isn't
about being fired for no cause.
1999
01:38:10,168 --> 01:38:14,126
You're firing us because we
refused to put on the air
2000
01:38:14,127 --> 01:38:16,361
something that we knew and
demonstrated to be false
2001
01:38:16,406 --> 01:38:17,521
and misleading.
2002
01:38:17,845 --> 01:38:19,041
That's what
this is about.
2003
01:38:19,042 --> 01:38:20,238
And because we
put up a fight
2004
01:38:20,724 --> 01:38:22,237
because we stood up
to this big corporation
2005
01:38:22,238 --> 01:38:23,483
and we stood up
to your editors
2006
01:38:23,604 --> 01:38:24,752
and we stood up
to your lawyers.
2007
01:38:25,043 --> 01:38:26,002
And we said to you
2008
01:38:26,003 --> 01:38:27,560
look there ought
to be a principle higher
2009
01:38:27,922 --> 01:38:28,881
than just making money.
2010
01:38:28,882 --> 01:38:30,314
And she wrote a
letter back and said
2011
01:38:30,321 --> 01:38:32,073
you are right that's
exactly what it was.
2012
01:38:32,241 --> 01:38:34,071
You stood up
to us on this story
2013
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,434
and that's why
we're letting you go.
2014
01:38:36,435 --> 01:38:38,794
Big mistake
2015
01:38:39,278 --> 01:38:41,633
That says retaliation.
2016
01:38:41,678 --> 01:38:44,271
You cant retaliate
against employees
2017
01:38:44,272 --> 01:38:46,032
if they're standing
up for something
2018
01:38:46,476 --> 01:38:47,915
that they believe is illegal
2019
01:38:47,916 --> 01:38:49,906
that they don't want
to participate in.
2020
01:38:50,315 --> 01:38:51,713
So that gave us
2021
01:38:51,754 --> 01:38:53,904
the whistleblower
stats that wanted
2022
01:38:54,154 --> 01:38:56,747
in the state of Florida to
file a whistleblower claim
2023
01:38:56,748 --> 01:38:57,826
against our employer.
2024
01:38:59,432 --> 01:39:01,149
Two or three years
later we got the trial.
2025
01:39:01,351 --> 01:39:07,219
Five weeks of testimony led
to a jury verdict of $425000
2026
01:39:07,509 --> 01:39:08,828
in which the jury determined
2027
01:39:08,949 --> 01:39:10,859
that the story they
pressured us to broadcast
2028
01:39:10,868 --> 01:39:13,620
the story we resisted
telling was in fact false
2029
01:39:13,747 --> 01:39:15,339
distorted or slanted.
2030
01:39:18,546 --> 01:39:21,218
Fox News
appealed the verdict.
2031
01:39:21,425 --> 01:39:23,892
Five major news media
corporations filed briefs
2032
01:39:24,104 --> 01:39:26,458
with the court in support
of Fox appeal.
2033
01:39:31,301 --> 01:39:33,735
You may recall that Jane Akre
a former reporter here
2034
01:39:34,180 --> 01:39:36,819
sued Fox 13 in
a whistleblower lawsuit
2035
01:39:37,060 --> 01:39:38,018
claiming that
she was fired
2036
01:39:38,019 --> 01:39:40,417
for refusing
to distort her report;
2037
01:39:40,418 --> 01:39:42,374
the Appeals Court today
threw that case out
2038
01:39:42,818 --> 01:39:45,012
saying Ms. Akre had
no whistleblower claim
2039
01:39:45,217 --> 01:39:48,095
against the station
based on news distortion.
2040
01:39:48,096 --> 01:39:50,973
Fox 13 vice president and
general manager Bob Linger
2041
01:39:50,975 --> 01:39:53,204
says the station
has been completely
2042
01:39:53,374 --> 01:39:54,807
vindicated by the ruling...
2043
01:39:54,814 --> 01:39:57,725
What Fox neglected
to report is this
2044
01:39:58,173 --> 01:40:00,687
Jane sued Fox under Florida's
whistleblower statute
2045
01:40:00,688 --> 01:40:03,201
which protects those who try
to prevent others
2046
01:40:03,451 --> 01:40:05,281
from breaking the law.
2047
01:40:06,810 --> 01:40:09,528
Buther Appeal Court judges
found that falsifying news
2048
01:40:09,689 --> 01:40:12,087
isn't actually
against the law.
2049
01:40:12,088 --> 01:40:14,760
So they denied Jane her
whistleblower stats
2050
01:40:14,967 --> 01:40:19,323
overturned the case and
withdrew her $425000 award.
2051
01:40:21,205 --> 01:40:25,641
Canada and Europe have
upheld the ban on RBGH.
2052
01:40:26,004 --> 01:40:28,676
But it remains hidden
in the milk supply
2053
01:40:28,677 --> 01:40:29,755
of the United States
2054
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:38,155
The prospect that two thirds
of the worlds population
2055
01:40:38,359 --> 01:40:41,953
will have no access to fresh
drinking water by 2025
2056
01:40:42,198 --> 01:40:43,950
has provoked
the initial confrontations
2057
01:40:44,118 --> 01:40:45,436
in a world wide battle
2058
01:40:45,557 --> 01:40:50,425
for control over the planets
most basic resource.
2059
01:40:50,426 --> 01:40:52,232
When Bolivia sought
to refinance
2060
01:40:52,275 --> 01:40:54,868
the public water services
of its third largest city
2061
01:40:55,154 --> 01:40:59,942
the World Bank
required privatization
2062
01:40:59,952 --> 01:41:02,671
which is how the Bechtel
Corporation of San Francisco
2063
01:41:02,831 --> 01:41:06,425
gained control over all
of Cochabamba's water
2064
01:41:06,426 --> 01:41:07,543
even that which
fell from the sky.
2065
01:42:14,048 --> 01:42:15,276
The price this
beleaguered country paid
2066
01:42:15,488 --> 01:42:16,761
for World Bank loans
2067
01:42:16,927 --> 01:42:19,679
was the privatization
of the state oil industry
2068
01:42:19,686 --> 01:42:25,475
and its airline railroad
electric and phone companies.
2069
01:42:25,924 --> 01:42:28,074
But the government failed
to convince Bolivians
2070
01:42:28,075 --> 01:42:30,357
that water is
a commodity like any other.
2071
01:43:06,951 --> 01:43:08,186
Bolivia was determined
2072
01:43:08,187 --> 01:43:09,421
to defend
the corporations right
2073
01:43:09,830 --> 01:43:11,748
to charge families
living on $2 a day
2074
01:43:11,749 --> 01:43:14,183
as much as one quarter
of their income for water.
2075
01:43:16,828 --> 01:43:18,226
The greater the popular
resistance
2076
01:43:18,267 --> 01:43:20,245
to the water
privatization scheme
2077
01:43:20,246 --> 01:43:22,222
the more violent
became the standoff.
2078
01:44:09,171 --> 01:44:11,684
Translational corporations
have a long and dark history
2079
01:44:11,890 --> 01:44:13,880
of condoning tyrannical
governments.
2080
01:44:15,728 --> 01:44:18,322
I s it narcissism that compels
them to seek their reflection
2081
01:44:18,323 --> 01:44:20,721
in the regimented structures
of fascist regimes?
2082
01:44:39,241 --> 01:44:41,117
There was
an interesting connection
2083
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:44,038
between the rise
of fascism in Europe
2084
01:44:44,039 --> 01:44:48,828
and the consciousness
of politically radical people
2085
01:44:49,118 --> 01:44:51,790
about corporate power.
2086
01:44:51,997 --> 01:44:54,464
Because there was are cognition
2087
01:44:54,465 --> 01:44:56,909
that fascism rose
in Europe
2088
01:44:57,275 --> 01:44:59,868
with the help of
enormous corporations.
2089
01:45:01,114 --> 01:45:04,025
Mussolini was greatly admired
all across the spectrum
2090
01:45:04,026 --> 01:45:06,506
business loved him
investment shot up.
2091
01:45:06,872 --> 01:45:08,310
Incidentally when
Hitler came in
2092
01:45:08,311 --> 01:45:09,869
in Germany the same
thing happened there
2093
01:45:10,231 --> 01:45:12,344
investment shot
up in Germany.
2094
01:45:12,345 --> 01:45:14,458
He had the work
force under control.
2095
01:45:14,549 --> 01:45:17,665
He was getting rid of dangerous
left wing elements.
2096
01:45:17,908 --> 01:45:19,739
Investment opportunities
were improving.
2097
01:45:19,828 --> 01:45:21,055
There was no problems.
2098
01:45:21,267 --> 01:45:23,416
These are
wonderful countries.
2099
01:45:23,666 --> 01:45:25,497
I think one of the greatest
untold stories
2100
01:45:25,546 --> 01:45:27,921
of the twentieth century
2101
01:45:27,922 --> 01:45:30,297
is the collusion
between corporations
2102
01:45:30,824 --> 01:45:34,182
especially in America
and Nazi Germany.
2103
01:45:34,183 --> 01:45:37,618
First in terms of how the
corporations from America
2104
01:45:38,022 --> 01:45:40,659
helped to essentially
rebuild Germany
2105
01:45:40,660 --> 01:45:43,296
and support the early
Nazi regime.
2106
01:45:43,780 --> 01:45:46,168
And then when
the war broke out
2107
01:45:46,179 --> 01:45:48,931
figured out a way to
keep everything going.
2108
01:45:49,058 --> 01:45:51,935
So General Motors was
able to keep Opal going
2109
01:45:51,937 --> 01:45:55,133
Ford was able to keep
their thing going
2110
01:45:55,296 --> 01:45:57,525
and companies like Coca Cola
they couldn't keep
2111
01:45:57,695 --> 01:45:59,014
the Coca Cola going
2112
01:45:59,135 --> 01:46:01,728
so what they did was
they invented Fanta Orange
2113
01:46:02,014 --> 01:46:03,452
for the Germans
2114
01:46:03,453 --> 01:46:06,364
and that show Coke was
able to keep
2115
01:46:06,365 --> 01:46:07,731
their profits coming in
2116
01:46:07,772 --> 01:46:09,250
to Coca Cola.
2117
01:46:09,691 --> 01:46:11,283
So when you drink
Fanta Orange
2118
01:46:11,284 --> 01:46:12,802
that's the Nazi drink
2119
01:46:13,050 --> 01:46:16,837
that was created so that Coke
could continue making money
2120
01:46:16,889 --> 01:46:19,322
while millions of people died.
2121
01:46:19,768 --> 01:46:22,440
When Hitler came
to power in 1933
2122
01:46:22,441 --> 01:46:24,044
his goal was to dismantle
2123
01:46:24,486 --> 01:46:25,839
and destroy the
Jewish community.
2124
01:46:25,926 --> 01:46:28,324
This was an enterprise
so vast
2125
01:46:28,325 --> 01:46:30,918
that it required the resources
of a computer.
2126
01:46:31,204 --> 01:46:33,797
But in 1933 there
was no computer
2127
01:46:33,798 --> 01:46:34,922
What there was
2128
01:46:35,043 --> 01:46:36,998
was the IBM
punch card system
2129
01:46:37,282 --> 01:46:40,717
which controlled
and stored information
2130
01:46:41,121 --> 01:46:42,917
based upon the holes
that were punched
2131
01:46:42,918 --> 01:46:45,596
in various rows
and columns.
2132
01:46:45,919 --> 01:46:48,035
Naturally there was
no off the shelf software
2133
01:46:48,319 --> 01:46:49,671
as there is today.
2134
01:46:49,718 --> 01:46:52,709
Each applicant was custom
designed and an engineer
2135
01:46:52,710 --> 01:46:55,952
had to personally
configure it.
2136
01:46:56,356 --> 01:47:01,030
Millions of people of
all religions nationalities
2137
01:47:01,154 --> 01:47:03,268
and characteristics
went through
2138
01:47:03,269 --> 01:47:05,382
the concentration
camp system.
2139
01:47:05,473 --> 01:47:08,350
That's an extraordinary
traffic management program
2140
01:47:08,832 --> 01:47:11,408
that required
an IBM system
2141
01:47:11,409 --> 01:47:13,985
in every railroad
direction
2142
01:47:14,350 --> 01:47:17,307
and an IBM system in every
concentration camp.
2143
01:47:24,907 --> 01:47:27,659
Now this is a typical
prisoner card.
2144
01:47:27,746 --> 01:47:28,939
There are little boxes
2145
01:47:29,185 --> 01:47:30,923
where all the information
is to be punched in.
2146
01:47:30,924 --> 01:47:32,660
We compare this information
to the code sheet
2147
01:47:33,024 --> 01:47:34,423
for concentration camps.
2148
01:47:34,464 --> 01:47:35,942
And here you see
Auschwitz is one
2149
01:47:35,943 --> 01:47:37,256
Buchenwald is two
2150
01:47:37,742 --> 01:47:39,101
and Dachau is three.
2151
01:47:39,102 --> 01:47:41,296
Now what kinds of
prisoners were they?
2152
01:47:41,501 --> 01:47:43,775
They could be a Jehovah's
witness for two
2153
01:47:43,900 --> 01:47:47,369
a homosexual for three
a communist for six
2154
01:47:47,379 --> 01:47:49,449
or a Jew for eight.
2155
01:47:49,579 --> 01:47:51,017
Now what was their stats?
2156
01:47:51,018 --> 01:47:54,214
One was released
two was transferred
2157
01:47:54,257 --> 01:47:56,133
four was executed
2158
01:47:56,656 --> 01:47:58,673
five was suicide
2159
01:47:58,674 --> 01:48:00,689
and six.
Code six
2160
01:48:00,975 --> 01:48:02,885
Sonderbahandlung
2161
01:48:02,894 --> 01:48:04,486
special treatment
2162
01:48:04,814 --> 01:48:08,566
meant the gas chamber
or sometimes a bullet.
2163
01:48:08,652 --> 01:48:10,244
They would punch
that number in
2164
01:48:10,245 --> 01:48:11,410
the material was tabulated
2165
01:48:11,811 --> 01:48:13,250
and the machines were set.
2166
01:48:13,251 --> 01:48:16,959
And of course the
punch cards by the millions
2167
01:48:17,370 --> 01:48:18,688
had to be printed.
2168
01:48:18,809 --> 01:48:21,527
And they were printed
exclusively by IBM
2169
01:48:21,688 --> 01:48:24,838
and the profits were
recovered just after the war
2170
01:48:26,287 --> 01:48:29,119
I really do believe that
particular accusation
2171
01:48:29,166 --> 01:48:33,715
has been fairly discredited
as a serious accusation.
2172
01:48:33,964 --> 01:48:35,882
They used equipment
2173
01:48:35,883 --> 01:48:41,911
that is a fact
but how they got it
2174
01:48:42,121 --> 01:48:44,157
how much co operation
they got
2175
01:48:44,158 --> 01:48:45,473
and any kind
of collusion
2176
01:48:45,480 --> 01:48:47,516
trying to connect dots
that are not connected
2177
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:51,075
I think that's the part
that is discredited.
2178
01:48:52,678 --> 01:48:56,386
Generally you sell computers
2179
01:48:56,437 --> 01:48:58,188
and they are used
in a variety of ways
2180
01:48:58,356 --> 01:49:00,266
and you always
hope they are
2181
01:49:00,275 --> 01:49:02,869
using the more
positive ways possible.
2182
01:49:03,155 --> 01:49:05,224
If you ever found out
they're used in ways
2183
01:49:05,225 --> 01:49:07,223
that are not positive
2184
01:49:07,473 --> 01:49:11,306
then you would hope you
would stop supporting that
2185
01:49:11,312 --> 01:49:13,506
but you know do
you always know?
2186
01:49:13,711 --> 01:49:14,867
Can you always tell?
2187
01:49:14,868 --> 01:49:16,023
Can you always find out?
2188
01:49:19,949 --> 01:49:21,098
IBM would
of course say
2189
01:49:21,309 --> 01:49:23,697
they had no control over
its German subsidiaries.
2190
01:49:23,708 --> 01:49:26,380
But here on
October 9th 1941
2191
01:49:26,587 --> 01:49:28,258
a letter is being
written directly
2192
01:49:28,506 --> 01:49:31,503
to Thomas J. Watson
with all sorts of detail
2193
01:49:31,504 --> 01:49:34,501
of the activity of
the German subsidiary
2194
01:49:34,744 --> 01:49:36,973
none of these
machines were sold
2195
01:49:37,143 --> 01:49:38,815
they were all
leased by IBM.
2196
01:49:39,063 --> 01:49:42,078
They had to be serviced
on site once a month
2197
01:49:42,079 --> 01:49:45,093
even if that was
at a concentration camp.
2198
01:49:45,261 --> 01:49:49,377
This is a typical contract
with IBM and the Third Reich.
2199
01:49:49,579 --> 01:49:52,457
Which was instituted in 1942.
2200
01:49:52,458 --> 01:49:53,971
It's not with the Dutch
subsidiary
2201
01:49:54,378 --> 01:49:56,296
it's not with the German
subsidiary.
2202
01:49:56,297 --> 01:49:59,686
It is with IBM
corporation in New York.
2203
01:50:01,096 --> 01:50:06,122
You know as it happens
I know that story.
2204
01:50:06,374 --> 01:50:09,968
I discussed it more than once
with old Mr. Watson
2205
01:50:10,213 --> 01:50:12,611
and I was around
at the time.
2206
01:50:12,612 --> 01:50:14,806
I'm not saying that Watson
didn't know
2207
01:50:15,011 --> 01:50:17,888
that the German government
used punch cards.
2208
01:50:17,890 --> 01:50:20,005
He probably did know
2209
01:50:20,289 --> 01:50:22,803
after all he had
very few customers.
2210
01:50:22,804 --> 01:50:24,565
Watson didn't want
to do it.
2211
01:50:24,568 --> 01:50:27,604
It was not because he thought
it was immoral or not
2212
01:50:27,927 --> 01:50:29,279
but because Watson
2213
01:50:29,366 --> 01:50:31,561
with a very keen sense
of public relations
2214
01:50:31,766 --> 01:50:34,074
thought it was risky.
2215
01:50:34,165 --> 01:50:36,898
It should not surprise us that
corporate allegiance
2216
01:50:36,899 --> 01:50:39,632
to profits will trump their
allegiance to any flag.
2217
01:50:39,923 --> 01:50:42,060
A recent U.S. Treasury
Department report
2218
01:50:42,061 --> 01:50:44,199
revealed in one
week alone
2219
01:50:44,721 --> 01:50:46,640
57 U.S. Corporations
were fined
2220
01:50:46,641 --> 01:50:50,030
for trading with official
enemies of the United States
2221
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:54,153
including terrorists tyrants
and despotic regimes.
2222
01:51:01,676 --> 01:51:04,428
...you can roughly locate any
community somewhere along
2223
01:51:04,555 --> 01:51:08,388
a scale running all the way
from democracy to despotism.
2224
01:51:12,552 --> 01:51:15,907
This man makes it his job
to study these things...
2225
01:51:15,911 --> 01:51:17,469
Well for one thing
2226
01:51:17,831 --> 01:51:19,749
avoid the comfortable idea
2227
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:22,343
that the mere form of
government can of itself
2228
01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:25,222
safeguard a nation
against despotism.
2229
01:51:28,667 --> 01:51:31,544
For big business despotism
was often a useful tool
2230
01:51:31,546 --> 01:51:35,379
for securing foreign markets
and pursuing profits.
2231
01:51:35,385 --> 01:51:38,581
One of the U.S. Marine corps
most highly decorated generals
2232
01:51:38,744 --> 01:51:41,735
Smedley Darlington Butler
by his own account
2233
01:51:42,103 --> 01:51:45,412
helped pacify Mexico
for American oil companies
2234
01:51:45,462 --> 01:51:48,214
Haiti and Cuba
for National City Bank
2235
01:51:48,341 --> 01:51:50,979
Nicaragua for the Brown
Brothers brokerage
2236
01:51:50,980 --> 01:51:53,617
the Dominican Republic
for sugar interests
2237
01:51:54,099 --> 01:51:56,692
Honduras for U.S. Fruit companies
2238
01:51:56,693 --> 01:51:58,772
and China
for standard oil.
2239
01:52:01,296 --> 01:52:03,491
General Butlers services
were also in demand
2240
01:52:03,616 --> 01:52:06,334
in the United States
in the 1930s
2241
01:52:06,335 --> 01:52:08,484
as president
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
2242
01:52:08,485 --> 01:52:09,812
sought to relieve
the misery
2243
01:52:10,173 --> 01:52:12,572
of the depression through
public enterprise
2244
01:52:12,573 --> 01:52:14,767
and to offer regulation
on corporate exploitation
2245
01:52:14,972 --> 01:52:16,689
and misdeeds.
2246
01:52:16,811 --> 01:52:19,404
More power to you
President Roosevelt
2247
01:52:19,530 --> 01:52:21,407
The entire country's
behind you.
2248
01:52:21,450 --> 01:52:23,565
Thrilled with hope
and patriotism...
2249
01:52:25,288 --> 01:52:26,721
But the country
was not entirely
2250
01:52:26,728 --> 01:52:28,167
behind
the populist president.
2251
01:52:28,168 --> 01:52:29,725
Large parts of
the corporate elite
2252
01:52:30,087 --> 01:52:33,283
despised what Roosevelt's
new deal stood for.
2253
01:52:33,446 --> 01:52:35,834
And so in 1934
2254
01:52:35,845 --> 01:52:37,641
a group of conspirators
sought to involve
2255
01:52:37,764 --> 01:52:39,994
General Butler in
a treasonous plan.
2256
01:52:41,603 --> 01:52:43,522
...The plan as outlined tome
was to form an organization
2257
01:52:43,523 --> 01:52:46,673
of veterans to use as a bluff
or as a club at least
2258
01:52:46,721 --> 01:52:49,030
to intimidate
the government...
2259
01:52:49,121 --> 01:52:51,714
but the corporate cabal
had picked the wrong man.
2260
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,035
Butler was fed up
being what he called
2261
01:52:54,036 --> 01:52:55,830
a gangster for capitalism.
2262
01:53:01,077 --> 01:53:03,874
...I appeared before
the Congressional Committee
2263
01:53:03,956 --> 01:53:06,833
the highest representation
of the American people
2264
01:53:06,834 --> 01:53:09,710
under subpoena to tell what
I knew of activities
2265
01:53:10,194 --> 01:53:12,661
which I believed might lead
to an attempt to set up
2266
01:53:12,662 --> 01:53:14,981
a fascist dictatorship.
2267
01:53:15,392 --> 01:53:18,566
The upshot of the whole
thing was that I was supposed
2268
01:53:18,567 --> 01:53:21,629
to lead an organization of
500000 men which would
2269
01:53:21,630 --> 01:53:23,665
be able to take over
the functions of government...
2270
01:53:25,469 --> 01:53:27,459
A Congressional Committee
ultimately found evidence
2271
01:53:27,460 --> 01:53:30,299
of a plot to overthrow
Roosevelt.
2272
01:53:30,747 --> 01:53:33,145
According to Butler
the conspiracy included
2273
01:53:33,146 --> 01:53:36,342
representatives of some
of Americas top corporations
2274
01:53:36,505 --> 01:53:40,099
including J.P. Morgan
Dupont and Goodyear tire.
2275
01:53:44,823 --> 01:53:47,336
As today's chairman
of Goodyear knows
2276
01:53:47,702 --> 01:53:49,771
for corporations
to dominate government
2277
01:53:49,772 --> 01:53:51,929
a coup is no
longer necessary.
2278
01:53:53,460 --> 01:53:56,974
Corporations have gone
global and by going global
2279
01:53:57,298 --> 01:54:01,848
the governments have lost
some control over corporations
2280
01:54:02,097 --> 01:54:04,564
regardless of whether
the corporation can be trusted
2281
01:54:04,565 --> 01:54:06,372
or can not be trusted
2282
01:54:06,415 --> 01:54:08,565
governments
today do not have
2283
01:54:08,815 --> 01:54:12,291
over the corporations
the power that they had
2284
01:54:12,292 --> 01:54:15,767
and the leverage they
had 50 or 60 years ago.
2285
01:54:16,092 --> 01:54:17,525
And that's a major change.
2286
01:54:17,532 --> 01:54:20,170
So governments have
become powerless
2287
01:54:20,411 --> 01:54:23,288
compared to what
they were before.
2288
01:54:23,290 --> 01:54:26,838
Capitalism today commands
the towering heights
2289
01:54:27,129 --> 01:54:30,040
and has displaced
politics and politicians
2290
01:54:30,041 --> 01:54:31,520
as the new high priests
2291
01:54:31,807 --> 01:54:34,205
and reigning
oligarchs of our system.
2292
01:54:34,206 --> 01:54:38,403
So capitalism and its principle
protagonists and players
2293
01:54:38,485 --> 01:54:39,997
corporate CEOs
2294
01:54:40,404 --> 01:54:43,600
have been accorded unusual
power and access.
2295
01:54:44,723 --> 01:54:46,599
This is not to deny the
significance of government
2296
01:54:46,642 --> 01:54:47,597
and politicians
2297
01:54:48,002 --> 01:54:49,832
but these are
the new high priests.
2298
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:55,755
I was invited to
Washington D.C. To attend
2299
01:54:55,756 --> 01:54:58,231
this meeting that
was being put together
2300
01:54:58,798 --> 01:55:00,815
by the National
Security Agency called
2301
01:55:00,816 --> 01:55:02,831
the Critical
Thinking Consortium.
2302
01:55:03,117 --> 01:55:04,993
I remember standing
there in this room
2303
01:55:05,036 --> 01:55:08,107
and looking over
on one side of the room
2304
01:55:08,395 --> 01:55:12,751
and we had
the CIA NSA DIA FBI
2305
01:55:12,752 --> 01:55:16,467
Customs Secret Service
2306
01:55:16,553 --> 01:55:18,543
and then on the other
side of the room we had
2307
01:55:18,544 --> 01:55:23,305
Coca Cola Mobile Oil
GTE and Kodak.
2308
01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:25,103
And I remember thinking
2309
01:55:25,190 --> 01:55:27,498
I am in the epicentre
2310
01:55:27,589 --> 01:55:29,742
of the intelligence
industry right now.
2311
01:55:29,743 --> 01:55:31,897
I mean the line
is not just blurring
2312
01:55:31,898 --> 01:55:35,018
it just not
there any more.
2313
01:55:35,146 --> 01:55:36,135
And tome it
2314
01:55:36,586 --> 01:55:38,025
it spoke volumes
as to how
2315
01:55:38,026 --> 01:55:42,893
industry and government were
consulting with each other
2316
01:55:43,304 --> 01:55:45,134
and working
with each other.
2317
01:55:57,979 --> 01:56:00,287
As 34 nations of the western
hemisphere gathered
2318
01:56:00,338 --> 01:56:02,488
to draft a far reaching
trade agreement
2319
01:56:02,538 --> 01:56:03,731
one that would lay
the groundwork
2320
01:56:03,977 --> 01:56:07,127
to privatize every resource
and service imaginable
2321
01:56:07,176 --> 01:56:08,211
thousands of people
2322
01:56:08,496 --> 01:56:10,406
from hundreds
of grassroots organizations
2323
01:56:10,415 --> 01:56:11,927
joined to oppose it.
2324
01:56:13,774 --> 01:56:15,212
Canada's top
business lobbyists
2325
01:56:15,213 --> 01:56:17,090
and its chief trade
representative
2326
01:56:17,613 --> 01:56:19,967
discount the dissent
in the streets.
2327
01:56:20,012 --> 01:56:23,128
For them the Americas
800 million citizens
2328
01:56:23,129 --> 01:56:24,562
speak with one voice.
2329
01:57:49,343 --> 01:57:51,412
I'm inside and
this is all outside.
2330
01:57:51,742 --> 01:57:54,175
That's the way it is.
2331
01:58:00,339 --> 01:58:02,568
What do you think when
you look at this?
2332
01:58:02,738 --> 01:58:06,366
Well I mean I think
that it's too bad
2333
01:58:06,577 --> 01:58:08,771
that this has
this has erupted.
2334
01:58:46,244 --> 01:58:48,438
Does the ranted to be some
measure of accountability?
2335
01:58:48,643 --> 01:58:50,554
Yes
2336
01:58:50,563 --> 01:58:52,837
And I think the business
community recognizes that.
2337
01:58:52,962 --> 01:58:55,270
But that accountability
is in the marketplace
2338
01:58:55,361 --> 01:58:57,078
it's with
their shareholders.
2339
01:58:57,280 --> 01:58:59,475
It's with the public perception
and the public image
2340
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:02,352
that they are projecting.
2341
01:59:02,359 --> 01:59:06,350
If companies don't do what
they should be doing
2342
01:59:06,677 --> 01:59:08,190
they're going to be
punished in the marketplace
2343
01:59:08,191 --> 01:59:09,913
and that's not what
any company wants.
2344
01:59:12,915 --> 01:59:14,314
There's a new market.
2345
01:59:14,355 --> 01:59:15,793
These guys and
gals aren't out there
2346
01:59:15,794 --> 01:59:18,830
because governments
putting gun to their head.
2347
01:59:19,153 --> 01:59:21,871
Or because they've
suddenly read a book
2348
01:59:22,032 --> 01:59:26,070
about transcendental meditation
and global morality.
2349
01:59:27,790 --> 01:59:29,462
My inner voice says
honour my inner child
2350
01:59:29,710 --> 01:59:31,226
Mine says love everyone
2351
01:59:31,227 --> 01:59:32,744
My inner voice says
2352
01:59:33,069 --> 01:59:35,104
Id like a Wendy's
Bacon mushroom melt
2353
01:59:35,105 --> 01:59:37,421
They're there because
they understand.
2354
01:59:37,867 --> 01:59:40,016
The market requires
them to be there.
2355
01:59:40,266 --> 01:59:42,734
That's their competitive
advantage to be there.
2356
01:59:42,735 --> 01:59:44,337
I'm listening
to your concerns.
2357
01:59:44,585 --> 01:59:45,938
I worry about climate.
2358
01:59:46,024 --> 01:59:47,457
I worry about pollution.
2359
01:59:47,464 --> 01:59:49,340
I do not have all
the answers to this
2360
01:59:49,383 --> 01:59:52,621
but we are prepared to work
with you with society
2361
01:59:52,622 --> 01:59:55,860
with NGOs with
governments to address it.
2362
01:59:56,101 --> 01:59:59,854
So you're build the trust
so that you come back to
2363
02:00:00,300 --> 02:00:02,218
a new kind of trust
2364
02:00:02,219 --> 02:00:05,016
and then the ultimate
goal is then
2365
02:00:05,098 --> 02:00:07,816
to become
the corporation of choice.
2366
02:00:07,977 --> 02:00:10,570
He believes that almost half
our energy can one day come
2367
02:00:10,571 --> 02:00:12,526
from renewable sources.
2368
02:00:12,776 --> 02:00:16,324
He's been called
a dreamer and a crank.
2369
02:00:16,415 --> 02:00:19,212
And I've been
called a hippie.
2370
02:00:19,294 --> 02:00:25,208
And more recently
a project manager for Shell.
2371
02:00:25,412 --> 02:00:28,721
I ask myself
often times why
2372
02:00:28,771 --> 02:00:31,045
so many companies
subscribe to
2373
02:00:31,170 --> 02:00:35,320
corporate social responsibility.
2374
02:00:35,488 --> 02:00:38,946
I'm not sure it's because
they necessarily
2375
02:00:38,947 --> 02:00:42,405
want to be responsible
in an ultimate way
2376
02:00:42,566 --> 02:00:44,396
but because
they want to be
2377
02:00:44,485 --> 02:00:48,762
identified and seen
to be responsible.
2378
02:00:48,804 --> 02:00:50,998
But who am I to judge?
2379
02:00:51,203 --> 02:00:53,034
Who am I to judge?
2380
02:00:53,123 --> 02:00:55,841
It's better that they
belong than they not belong.
2381
02:00:56,002 --> 02:00:59,357
It's better that they make
some public profession
2382
02:00:59,361 --> 02:01:02,432
than the opposite.
2383
02:01:02,719 --> 02:01:05,630
Social responsibility
isn't a deep shift
2384
02:01:05,631 --> 02:01:10,876
because its
a voluntary tactic.
2385
02:01:10,877 --> 02:01:11,786
A tactic
2386
02:01:12,316 --> 02:01:18,073
a reaction to a certain
market at this point.
2387
02:01:18,074 --> 02:01:21,509
And as the corporation reads
the market differently
2388
02:01:21,913 --> 02:01:23,352
it can go back.
2389
02:01:23,353 --> 02:01:24,791
One day you
see Bambi
2390
02:01:24,792 --> 02:01:26,908
next day
you see Godzilla.
2391
02:01:28,631 --> 02:01:30,382
How do you define
socially responsible?
2392
02:01:30,550 --> 02:01:32,541
What business is it
of the corporation to decide
2393
02:01:32,950 --> 02:01:35,258
what's socially responsible.
2394
02:01:35,349 --> 02:01:36,747
That isn't
their expertise
2395
02:01:36,788 --> 02:01:41,099
that isn't what their
stockholders ask them to do.
2396
02:01:41,107 --> 02:01:44,018
So I think they're going
out of their range
2397
02:01:44,019 --> 02:01:47,660
and its certainly
is not democratic.
2398
02:01:47,825 --> 02:01:49,416
I don't really care
2399
02:01:49,744 --> 02:01:51,938
what the chairman
of General Motors thinks
2400
02:01:52,143 --> 02:01:54,062
is an appropriate
level of emissions
2401
02:01:54,063 --> 02:01:57,815
to come out the tailpipe
of General Motors automobiles.
2402
02:01:57,901 --> 02:01:59,300
He may have a lot
of scientists
2403
02:01:59,341 --> 02:02:00,898
he may be
a very good person
2404
02:02:01,260 --> 02:02:02,699
but I didn't elect
him to do anything.
2405
02:02:02,700 --> 02:02:04,769
He doesn't have any
power to speak for me.
2406
02:02:05,099 --> 02:02:07,771
These are decisions that must
be made by government
2407
02:02:07,978 --> 02:02:09,809
and not by corporations.
2408
02:02:10,577 --> 02:02:12,016
You take this to its
logical conclusion.
2409
02:02:12,017 --> 02:02:16,725
One would have an image
that we are in fact at this
2410
02:02:16,815 --> 02:02:18,726
the end of the world
this nigh.
2411
02:02:19,214 --> 02:02:22,171
And we are all
completely brainwashed
2412
02:02:22,172 --> 02:02:24,687
and there is
no space left.
2413
02:02:24,973 --> 02:02:26,963
And I don't believe
we're there yet.
2414
02:02:29,291 --> 02:02:30,963
And I think it's
really important
2415
02:02:30,964 --> 02:02:32,209
that we don't
overstate the case
2416
02:02:32,650 --> 02:02:34,560
and that we admit that
there are cracks
2417
02:02:34,569 --> 02:02:36,764
and fissures in all of these
corporate structures.
2418
02:02:36,849 --> 02:02:39,601
And sometimes when
a corporation is concentrating
2419
02:02:39,728 --> 02:02:42,126
on one particular project
they look the other way
2420
02:02:42,127 --> 02:02:44,276
and all kinds of interesting
things happen in the corner.
2421
02:02:46,446 --> 02:02:49,482
It is the case in every period
of history where injustice
2422
02:02:49,804 --> 02:02:52,602
based on falsehoods
2423
02:02:52,683 --> 02:02:56,595
based on taking away the right
and freedoms of people
2424
02:02:56,596 --> 02:02:58,672
to live and survive
with dignity
2425
02:02:58,722 --> 02:03:01,679
that eventually when you call
a bluff the tables turn.
2426
02:03:16,476 --> 02:03:21,070
Ultimately capital puts
its foot down somewhere.
2427
02:03:21,114 --> 02:03:23,547
And anywhere
it puts its foot down
2428
02:03:23,548 --> 02:03:26,390
it can be held
accountable.
2429
02:03:29,272 --> 02:03:32,343
Originally Wal-Mart and
Kathy Lee Gifford had said
2430
02:03:32,344 --> 02:03:34,584
why should we believe you that
children work in this factory?
2431
02:03:35,030 --> 02:03:37,543
What we didn't tell them
was that Wendy Dias
2432
02:03:37,709 --> 02:03:39,061
in the centre of the
picture was on a plane
2433
02:03:39,148 --> 02:03:40,103
to the United States.
2434
02:03:40,108 --> 02:03:41,067
This is Wendy Dias.
2435
02:03:41,068 --> 02:03:42,261
She comes
to the United States.
2436
02:03:42,507 --> 02:03:43,906
She's unstoppable.
2437
02:03:43,907 --> 02:03:46,136
Congress heard testimony
today from children who
2438
02:03:46,306 --> 02:03:49,741
testified they were exploited
by sweatshops overseas.
2439
02:03:50,145 --> 02:03:52,180
Kathy Lee Gifford
apologized to Wendy Dias
2440
02:03:52,181 --> 02:03:53,543
It was the most
amazing thing Id seen.
2441
02:03:53,983 --> 02:03:57,099
This powerful celebrity
leans over and says
2442
02:03:57,100 --> 02:03:59,217
Wendy please believe me
2443
02:03:59,742 --> 02:04:02,096
I didn't know these
conditions existed.
2444
02:04:02,141 --> 02:04:03,778
And now that I do I'm
going to work with you.
2445
02:04:03,779 --> 02:04:05,059
I'm going to work
with these other people
2446
02:04:05,500 --> 02:04:06,938
and it'll never
happen again.
2447
02:04:06,939 --> 02:04:08,531
And that night we signed
an agreement
2448
02:04:08,859 --> 02:04:10,689
with Kathy Lee Gifford.
2449
02:04:10,778 --> 02:04:12,495
I thought it would be
a relatively easy process
2450
02:04:12,697 --> 02:04:14,096
and it isn't.
2451
02:04:14,137 --> 02:04:16,252
As for every question
I have there seem to be
2452
02:04:16,253 --> 02:04:18,206
five questions that
come back tome.
2453
02:04:18,455 --> 02:04:20,491
As far as Wal-Mart
goes and Kathy Lee
2454
02:04:20,775 --> 02:04:23,129
pretty much everything returned
to sweatshop conditions
2455
02:04:23,174 --> 02:04:27,132
but because this was fought out
on television for weeks
2456
02:04:27,133 --> 02:04:28,650
this incident with Kathy Lee
Gifford actually
2457
02:04:28,932 --> 02:04:30,160
took the sweatshop issue
2458
02:04:30,372 --> 02:04:32,248
took every single part
of the country.
2459
02:04:32,291 --> 02:04:33,689
And so frankly
after that
2460
02:04:33,730 --> 02:04:35,243
there's hardly a single
person in this country
2461
02:04:35,244 --> 02:04:36,444
who doesn't know
about child labour
2462
02:04:36,610 --> 02:04:38,361
or sweatshops or
starvation wages.
2463
02:04:58,682 --> 02:05:02,833
So what wanted to do is
to look at the very roots
2464
02:05:03,001 --> 02:05:07,595
of the legal form that
created this beast
2465
02:05:07,799 --> 02:05:10,949
and wanted to think who
can hold them accountable.
2466
02:05:12,598 --> 02:05:14,076
They're not
graven in stone.
2467
02:05:14,077 --> 02:05:15,265
They can be dismantled.
2468
02:05:15,477 --> 02:05:18,355
And in fact most
states have laws
2469
02:05:18,356 --> 02:05:21,028
which require that
they be dismantled.
2470
02:05:23,154 --> 02:05:24,507
For too long now
2471
02:05:24,554 --> 02:05:26,472
giant corporations
have been allowed
2472
02:05:26,473 --> 02:05:28,906
to undermine democracy here
in the United States
2473
02:05:29,352 --> 02:05:30,671
and all over the world.
2474
02:05:30,792 --> 02:05:32,224
But today the Inn National
Lawyer's Guild
2475
02:05:32,231 --> 02:05:33,903
and 29 other groups
and individuals
2476
02:05:34,151 --> 02:05:36,549
are fighting back.
2477
02:05:36,550 --> 02:05:39,621
We are calling upon State
Attorney General Dan Lungren
2478
02:05:39,622 --> 02:05:41,703
to comply
with California law
2479
02:05:41,828 --> 02:05:43,819
and to revoke
the corporate charter
2480
02:05:44,187 --> 02:05:47,224
of the Union Oil
Company of California
2481
02:05:47,225 --> 02:05:50,262
for its repeated
and grievous offences.
2482
02:05:50,425 --> 02:05:52,302
This is the statute
that is well-known.
2483
02:05:52,345 --> 02:05:53,413
It has been used.
2484
02:05:53,664 --> 02:05:54,623
It can be used.
2485
02:05:54,624 --> 02:05:56,853
What this will mean
is the dissolution
2486
02:05:57,023 --> 02:05:59,536
of the Union Oil Company
of California
2487
02:05:59,902 --> 02:06:03,257
the sale of its assets
under careful court orders
2488
02:06:03,261 --> 02:06:05,411
to others who will carry
on in the public interest.
2489
02:06:08,539 --> 02:06:10,458
This is nothing more
than a smear campaign.
2490
02:06:10,459 --> 02:06:13,291
This company has been part
of California's economy
2491
02:06:13,818 --> 02:06:16,126
for over 100 years
thousands of jobs.
2492
02:06:16,217 --> 02:06:17,808
Doesn't mean it's never
made any mistakes
2493
02:06:17,809 --> 02:06:18,725
paid for those mistakes
2494
02:06:19,096 --> 02:06:20,535
but this demonizing
of accompany
2495
02:06:20,536 --> 02:06:22,048
I think I am in a time
warp or something
2496
02:06:22,455 --> 02:06:24,809
that I fell asleep
and woke up 50 years ago
2497
02:06:24,854 --> 02:06:26,287
and we heard that
kind of rhetoric.
2498
02:06:26,294 --> 02:06:29,444
Well we have a very very
broad set of people angry
2499
02:06:29,533 --> 02:06:31,443
very angry at
this corporation
2500
02:06:31,452 --> 02:06:32,680
well people from
the left of the spectrum
2501
02:06:32,892 --> 02:06:35,121
who don't produce anything
except hot air.
2502
02:06:35,291 --> 02:06:37,679
From its complicity
in unspeakable
2503
02:06:37,690 --> 02:06:39,361
human rights
violations overseas
2504
02:06:39,609 --> 02:06:43,362
against women gays labourers
and indigenous peoples
2505
02:06:43,448 --> 02:06:46,086
to its efforts to subvert
U.S. Foreign policy
2506
02:06:46,327 --> 02:06:47,555
and deceive the courts
2507
02:06:47,767 --> 02:06:49,685
the public and
its own stockholders
2508
02:06:49,686 --> 02:06:52,757
Unocal is emblematic
of corporate abuse
2509
02:06:53,045 --> 02:06:55,000
and corporate power
run amok
2510
02:06:59,083 --> 02:07:01,961
...is immoral.
2511
02:07:01,962 --> 02:07:05,397
Unocal cannot
do business in Burma
2512
02:07:05,801 --> 02:07:08,917
without supporting
that hopeless regime...
2513
02:07:19,236 --> 02:07:23,467
The curse for me has been
the fact that in making these
2514
02:07:23,555 --> 02:07:25,465
you know documentary films
2515
02:07:25,954 --> 02:07:28,706
I've seen that they
actually can impact change
2516
02:07:28,833 --> 02:07:31,630
so I'm just compelled
to just keep making them.
2517
02:07:31,631 --> 02:07:34,146
Yep that's me
doing what I do
2518
02:07:34,431 --> 02:07:36,830
All year long I give big
companies a hard time
2519
02:07:36,831 --> 02:07:39,867
but at Christmas time I like
to set aside my differences
2520
02:07:40,190 --> 02:07:44,022
and reach out to big business
like cigarette companies.
2521
02:07:48,627 --> 02:07:51,777
Deck the Halls with
boughs of holly...
2522
02:07:51,986 --> 02:07:55,295
fa la la la la
la la la
2523
02:07:55,345 --> 02:07:57,063
I went to Littleton
Colorado
2524
02:07:57,064 --> 02:08:00,419
where the Columbine
shooting took place
2525
02:08:00,423 --> 02:08:01,617
and I didn't
know this
2526
02:08:01,862 --> 02:08:05,900
but when I arrived I learned
what the primary job is
2527
02:08:06,181 --> 02:08:09,138
of the parents of the kids who
go to Columbine High School.
2528
02:08:09,139 --> 02:08:11,254
The number one job
in Littleton Colorado
2529
02:08:11,459 --> 02:08:13,256
They work
for Lockheed Martin
2530
02:08:13,379 --> 02:08:16,257
building weapons
of mass destruction.
2531
02:08:16,258 --> 02:08:17,849
But they don't
see the connect
2532
02:08:18,177 --> 02:08:20,855
between what
they do for a living
2533
02:08:20,856 --> 02:08:23,533
and what their
kids do at school
2534
02:08:23,935 --> 02:08:26,323
or did at school
2535
02:08:26,334 --> 02:08:29,325
And so I'm kind of you
know up on my high horse
2536
02:08:29,326 --> 02:08:32,602
thinking about this
and I thought you know
2537
02:08:33,052 --> 02:08:34,326
I said to my wife
2538
02:08:34,492 --> 02:08:37,801
we both are sons and
daughters of auto workers
2539
02:08:37,851 --> 02:08:39,289
in Flint Michigan.
2540
02:08:39,290 --> 02:08:42,087
There isn't a single one of
us back in Flint
2541
02:08:42,169 --> 02:08:44,478
any of us including us
2542
02:08:44,569 --> 02:08:46,559
who ever
stopped to think
2543
02:08:46,968 --> 02:08:48,825
this thing we do
for a living
2544
02:08:48,826 --> 02:08:50,684
the building
of automobiles
2545
02:08:50,806 --> 02:08:52,922
is probably
the single biggest reason
2546
02:08:53,206 --> 02:08:56,117
why the polar ice caps
are going to melt
2547
02:08:56,118 --> 02:08:58,996
and end civilization
as we know it.
2548
02:08:58,997 --> 02:09:01,557
There's no connect between
2549
02:09:01,843 --> 02:09:04,720
I'm just an assembler on an
assembly line building a car
2550
02:09:04,722 --> 02:09:06,393
which is good
for people and society
2551
02:09:06,641 --> 02:09:07,790
and it moves
them around.
2552
02:09:08,081 --> 02:09:10,913
But never stop to think
about the larger picture
2553
02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:14,156
and the larger responsibility
of what were doing.
2554
02:09:14,319 --> 02:09:17,037
Ultimately we have to
as individuals
2555
02:09:17,198 --> 02:09:20,076
accept responsibility
for our collective action
2556
02:09:20,077 --> 02:09:26,594
and the larger harm that it
causes you know in our world.
2557
02:09:26,795 --> 02:09:29,388
Today the first of two
historic town hall meetings
2558
02:09:29,554 --> 02:09:32,192
will get underway
in Arcata California
2559
02:09:32,353 --> 02:09:34,707
61 percent of Arcatans
voted in favour
2560
02:09:34,752 --> 02:09:36,424
of publicly discussing
2561
02:09:36,671 --> 02:09:39,629
whether democracy is even
possible with large corporations
2562
02:09:39,630 --> 02:09:41,546
...so much wealth
and power under law.
2563
02:09:41,910 --> 02:09:43,348
They also voted
to form a committee
2564
02:09:43,349 --> 02:09:46,465
to ensure democratic control
over corporations in Arcata.
2565
02:09:47,988 --> 02:09:49,500
Corporations are
not accountable
2566
02:09:49,501 --> 02:09:50,576
to the democratic
process.
2567
02:09:50,867 --> 02:09:52,015
That is what
this is about.
2568
02:09:52,306 --> 02:09:54,103
I don't want
to make decisions
2569
02:09:54,226 --> 02:09:55,704
about everything that goes
on in their corporation.
2570
02:09:55,705 --> 02:09:58,297
But I do have a
strong belief
2571
02:09:58,504 --> 02:10:00,381
that they don't need to be
held accountable to us.
2572
02:10:02,823 --> 02:10:04,102
If we don't like
certain products
2573
02:10:04,103 --> 02:10:06,536
if we don't like
Pepsi-Cola Bank of America
2574
02:10:06,982 --> 02:10:08,778
well if you don't
like what they do
2575
02:10:08,901 --> 02:10:10,129
don't use them.
2576
02:10:10,340 --> 02:10:13,173
That's the way I see
the peoples power is.
2577
02:10:14,659 --> 02:10:15,569
You have a lot
more money than me
2578
02:10:15,619 --> 02:10:17,057
You have more
votes than I do
2579
02:10:17,058 --> 02:10:20,811
If we use the model of boycott
and voting with your dollars
2580
02:10:21,297 --> 02:10:23,764
that's an
undemocratic situation.
2581
02:10:23,765 --> 02:10:25,049
What are we afraid of?
2582
02:10:25,136 --> 02:10:26,727
I mean are all the businesses
going to leave Arcata?
2583
02:10:26,728 --> 02:10:27,610
I don't think so.
2584
02:10:28,015 --> 02:10:28,973
And if they did
2585
02:10:28,974 --> 02:10:30,612
wed deal with it or
wed figure it out
2586
02:10:30,894 --> 02:10:31,882
or wed do
something different.
2587
02:10:31,883 --> 02:10:33,252
We're creative people.
2588
02:10:33,293 --> 02:10:36,284
I just don't see
why we are afraid.
2589
02:10:36,652 --> 02:10:37,879
If you think it's tough
making a decision
2590
02:10:38,091 --> 02:10:39,050
where to buy your
stuff today
2591
02:10:39,051 --> 02:10:40,450
how tough do you think
it is when there's only
2592
02:10:40,491 --> 02:10:43,402
one provider
and it's the state.
2593
02:10:43,850 --> 02:10:44,759
And by the way
2594
02:10:44,809 --> 02:10:46,959
you don't get to have
this little democracy forum
2595
02:10:47,208 --> 02:10:48,647
in those
communities either.
2596
02:10:48,648 --> 02:10:51,081
People that say that they
fear their govern meant
2597
02:10:51,327 --> 02:10:53,245
I really hope
that they understand
2598
02:10:53,246 --> 02:10:55,714
that they're allowed to
participate in their government
2599
02:10:56,126 --> 02:10:57,956
they're not allowed to
participate in anything
2600
02:10:57,957 --> 02:10:59,153
the corporations do.
2601
02:10:59,364 --> 02:11:00,638
So don't fear
the government.
2602
02:11:00,764 --> 02:11:03,436
Help it be the government
that you wont fear.
2603
02:11:03,643 --> 02:11:05,758
If this many people around
the country would do this
2604
02:11:05,759 --> 02:11:07,200
instead of watching
Super bowl Sunday
2605
02:11:07,482 --> 02:11:09,312
our nation would be
controlled by the people
2606
02:11:09,401 --> 02:11:10,880
not by the corporations.
2607
02:11:12,200 --> 02:11:14,588
...no more chain restaurants
in Arcata after
2608
02:11:14,599 --> 02:11:16,271
a long awaited decision...
2609
02:11:33,313 --> 02:11:34,951
Over the past decade
2610
02:11:35,233 --> 02:11:38,030
we have been
gaining ground.
2611
02:11:38,112 --> 02:11:39,100
And when I say we
2612
02:11:39,551 --> 02:11:42,007
I mean ordinary
people committed
2613
02:11:42,008 --> 02:11:44,462
to the welfare
of all humanity.
2614
02:11:44,830 --> 02:11:47,024
All people irrespective
of gender and class
2615
02:11:47,229 --> 02:11:48,943
and race
and religion.
2616
02:11:48,944 --> 02:11:50,659
All species
on the planet.
2617
02:11:51,068 --> 02:11:53,946
We managed to take
the biggest government
2618
02:11:53,947 --> 02:11:57,018
and one of the largest
chemical companies to court
2619
02:11:57,146 --> 02:12:02,059
on the case of Neemand
win a case against them.
2620
02:12:02,424 --> 02:12:05,176
W.R. Grace and the U.S.
Governments patent on Neem
2621
02:12:05,303 --> 02:12:06,741
was revoked by a case
we brought
2622
02:12:06,742 --> 02:12:09,051
along with the greens
of European parliament
2623
02:12:09,622 --> 02:12:12,419
and the international
organic agriculture movement.
2624
02:12:12,501 --> 02:12:14,297
We won because we
worked together.
2625
02:12:18,739 --> 02:12:21,491
We have overturned
nearly 99 percent
2626
02:12:21,618 --> 02:12:23,812
of the basmati patent
of Ricetek.
2627
02:12:23,817 --> 02:12:27,286
Again because we worked
as a world wide coalition
2628
02:12:27,656 --> 02:12:30,931
old women in Texas
scientists in India
2629
02:12:31,015 --> 02:12:33,323
activists sitting
in Vancouver
2630
02:12:33,414 --> 02:12:36,292
a little basmati
action group.
2631
02:12:36,293 --> 02:12:39,364
We stopped the third world
being viewed as the pirate
2632
02:12:39,572 --> 02:12:41,402
and we showed the corporations
were the pirate.
2633
02:12:49,488 --> 02:12:51,842
Look how little
it took for Gandhi
2634
02:12:51,843 --> 02:12:54,196
to work against the salt
laws of the British
2635
02:12:54,287 --> 02:12:55,719
where the British decided
2636
02:12:55,726 --> 02:12:57,478
the way they would
make their armies
2637
02:12:57,606 --> 02:12:58,958
and police forces bigger
2638
02:12:59,045 --> 02:13:00,683
is just
tax the salt.
2639
02:13:00,965 --> 02:13:03,353
And all that Gandhi did
was walk to the beach
2640
02:13:03,364 --> 02:13:05,354
pick up
the salt and say
2641
02:13:05,763 --> 02:13:06,722
nature gives it
for free.
2642
02:13:06,723 --> 02:13:08,201
Wanted it.
We've always made it.
2643
02:13:08,642 --> 02:13:09,961
We will violate
your laws.
2644
02:13:10,082 --> 02:13:12,240
We will continue
to make salt.
2645
02:13:12,241 --> 02:13:14,398
We've had a similar
commitment for
2646
02:13:14,880 --> 02:13:15,359
the last decade in India.
2647
02:13:15,360 --> 02:13:18,749
That any law that makes
it illegal to save seed
2648
02:13:19,199 --> 02:13:22,557
is a law not
worth following.
2649
02:13:22,558 --> 02:13:25,515
We will violate it because
saving seed is a duty
2650
02:13:25,917 --> 02:13:30,067
to the earth and
to future generations.
2651
02:13:30,235 --> 02:13:33,067
We thought it would
really be symbolic
2652
02:13:33,114 --> 02:13:34,073
It is more than symbolic.
2653
02:13:34,074 --> 02:13:37,304
It is becoming
a survival option.
2654
02:13:37,433 --> 02:13:40,310
Farmers who grow
their own seeds
2655
02:13:40,312 --> 02:13:41,301
save their own seeds
2656
02:13:41,751 --> 02:13:42,710
don't buy pesticides
2657
02:13:42,711 --> 02:13:44,541
have threefold
more incomes
2658
02:13:44,630 --> 02:13:47,224
than farmers who are locked
into the chemical treadmill
2659
02:13:47,510 --> 02:13:50,501
depending on
Monsanto and Cargill
2660
02:13:50,748 --> 02:13:52,978
We have managed
to create alternatives
2661
02:13:53,148 --> 02:13:55,066
that work for people.
2662
02:13:55,067 --> 02:13:58,945
There are many tools
for bringing back community.
2663
02:13:59,386 --> 02:14:00,784
But the importance is
not the tools
2664
02:14:00,825 --> 02:14:02,744
I mean there's litigation
there's legislation
2665
02:14:02,745 --> 02:14:06,418
there's direct action
there's education boycotts
2666
02:14:06,583 --> 02:14:07,732
social investment...
2667
02:14:08,023 --> 02:14:12,617
There's many many ways
to address issues
2668
02:14:12,618 --> 02:14:13,740
of corporate power.
2669
02:14:14,261 --> 02:14:15,678
But in the final analysis
2670
02:14:15,679 --> 02:14:17,097
what's really important
is the vision.
2671
02:14:17,140 --> 02:14:18,970
You have to have
abetter story
2672
02:14:19,059 --> 02:14:23,529
Do I know you well enough to
call you fellow plunderers?
2673
02:14:23,858 --> 02:14:27,895
There is not an industrial
company on earth
2674
02:14:27,896 --> 02:14:30,607
not an institution
of any kind
2675
02:14:31,055 --> 02:14:34,251
not mine not yours
not anyone's
2676
02:14:34,414 --> 02:14:38,252
that is sustainable.
2677
02:14:38,253 --> 02:14:40,368
I stand convicted by
me myself alone
2678
02:14:40,652 --> 02:14:41,611
not by anyone else
2679
02:14:41,612 --> 02:14:43,806
as a plunderer
of the earth
2680
02:14:44,011 --> 02:14:47,366
but not by our
civilizations definition.
2681
02:14:47,370 --> 02:14:48,848
By our civilization's
definition
2682
02:14:49,289 --> 02:14:51,120
I'm a captain
of industry.
2683
02:14:51,209 --> 02:14:53,676
In the eyes of many
a kind of modern-day hero.
2684
02:14:53,677 --> 02:14:56,486
But really really
2685
02:14:56,487 --> 02:15:00,604
the first industrial
revolution is flawed
2686
02:15:00,886 --> 02:15:02,716
it is not working.
2687
02:15:02,805 --> 02:15:05,562
It is unsustainable.
2688
02:15:05,563 --> 02:15:08,320
It is the mistake
2689
02:15:08,563 --> 02:15:11,952
and we must
move on to another
2690
02:15:12,242 --> 02:15:14,118
and better
industrial revolution
2691
02:15:14,161 --> 02:15:16,794
and get it right
this time.
2692
02:15:16,795 --> 02:15:19,428
When I think
of what could be
2693
02:15:19,919 --> 02:15:24,230
I visualize an
organization of people
2694
02:15:24,238 --> 02:15:28,707
committed to a purpose
2695
02:15:28,876 --> 02:15:32,629
and the purpose
is doing no harm.
2696
02:15:32,715 --> 02:15:34,154
I see accompany
2697
02:15:34,155 --> 02:15:37,146
that has severed the
umbilical cord to earth
2698
02:15:37,514 --> 02:15:38,952
for its raw materials
2699
02:15:38,953 --> 02:15:42,786
taking raw materials that
have already been extracted
2700
02:15:43,272 --> 02:15:45,501
and using them over
and over again
2701
02:15:45,671 --> 02:15:48,059
driving that process
with renewable energy.
2702
02:15:49,510 --> 02:15:50,737
It is our plan
2703
02:15:50,949 --> 02:15:55,738
it remains our plan
to climb Mount Sustainability
2704
02:15:55,748 --> 02:15:58,386
that mountain that is
higher than Everest
2705
02:15:58,627 --> 02:16:00,537
infinitely higher
than Everest
2706
02:16:00,546 --> 02:16:02,820
far more
difficult to scale.
2707
02:16:02,945 --> 02:16:07,972
That point at the top
symbolizing zero footprint...
2708
02:16:17,820 --> 02:16:19,936
So we've got
to undo a lot of things
2709
02:16:19,937 --> 02:16:21,092
in order to be smart enough
2710
02:16:21,179 --> 02:16:25,091
to do this really dangerous
and risky and difficult work
2711
02:16:25,498 --> 02:16:28,250
you know the best way
that we possibly can.
2712
02:16:28,377 --> 02:16:30,731
And that means people coming
together and learning
2713
02:16:30,776 --> 02:16:33,494
a whole lot of stuff that
we just don't know
2714
02:16:33,655 --> 02:16:35,094
that has been driven
out of the culture
2715
02:16:35,095 --> 02:16:37,050
driven out of the society
driven out of our minds.
2716
02:16:37,051 --> 02:16:38,766
That tome is the
most exciting thing.
2717
02:16:38,934 --> 02:16:39,888
That is happening
2718
02:16:39,893 --> 02:16:41,451
it's happening all
over the world now.
2719
02:18:58,088 --> 02:19:01,875
Sometimes it surprises me how
effective you can actually be.
2720
02:19:01,927 --> 02:19:02,881
After we beat the Gap
2721
02:19:02,886 --> 02:19:04,114
I walked past these
Gap stores
2722
02:19:04,166 --> 02:19:05,201
and I looked at them
and I think
2723
02:19:05,606 --> 02:19:07,543
my God there's like 2000 of
these stores across the country.
2724
02:19:07,544 --> 02:19:09,480
Look at all that concrete
look at the glass
2725
02:19:09,481 --> 02:19:11,400
look at all the staff people
look at all the clothing.
2726
02:19:11,844 --> 02:19:13,762
Look at that power
2727
02:19:13,763 --> 02:19:16,151
You can still reach
these companies.
2728
02:19:16,642 --> 02:19:18,313
You can still
have an effect.
2729
02:19:47,632 --> 02:19:50,350
We can change
the government.
2730
02:19:50,471 --> 02:19:54,019
That's the only way were
going tore design re think
2731
02:19:54,110 --> 02:19:57,385
re-constitute what capital
and property can do
2732
02:19:59,148 --> 02:20:01,536
Fifteen corporations would like
to control the conditions
2733
02:20:01,547 --> 02:20:03,026
of our life
2734
02:20:03,467 --> 02:20:05,457
and millions of people
are saying not only do
2735
02:20:05,458 --> 02:20:06,578
we not need you
2736
02:20:06,579 --> 02:20:07,698
we can do it better.
2737
02:20:08,265 --> 02:20:11,222
We are going to create systems
that nourish the earth
2738
02:20:11,223 --> 02:20:12,583
and nourish human beings.
2739
02:20:12,584 --> 02:20:14,574
And these are not
marginal experiments
2740
02:20:14,983 --> 02:20:18,054
they are the mainstay
of large numbers of
2741
02:20:18,055 --> 02:20:19,374
communities across the world.
2742
02:20:19,781 --> 02:20:21,658
That is where
the future lies.
2743
02:20:21,701 --> 02:20:23,736
You know I've always thought
it's very ironic
2744
02:20:23,737 --> 02:20:25,575
that I'm able to do all this
and yet what am I on?
2745
02:20:26,019 --> 02:20:26,978
I'm on networks.
2746
02:20:26,979 --> 02:20:28,378
I'm distributed by studios
2747
02:20:28,419 --> 02:20:30,568
that are owned by large
corporate entities.
2748
02:20:30,818 --> 02:20:34,934
Now why would they put me
out there when I am opposed
2749
02:20:35,136 --> 02:20:37,491
to everything that
they stand for?
2750
02:20:37,536 --> 02:20:40,810
And I spend my time
on their dime opposing
2751
02:20:40,894 --> 02:20:43,169
what they believe in.
2752
02:20:43,294 --> 02:20:44,248
Okay?
2753
02:20:44,733 --> 02:20:46,172
Well it's because they
don't believe in anything.
2754
02:20:46,173 --> 02:20:48,527
They put me on there because
they know that there's millions
2755
02:20:48,572 --> 02:20:51,449
of people that want to see
my film or watch the TV show
2756
02:20:51,451 --> 02:20:53,600
and so they're
going to make money.
2757
02:20:53,850 --> 02:20:55,602
And I've been able to get
my stuff out there
2758
02:20:55,770 --> 02:20:57,604
because I'm driving
my truck through
2759
02:20:57,605 --> 02:20:59,438
this incredible
flaw in capitalism
2760
02:20:59,608 --> 02:21:01,121
the greed flaw.
2761
02:21:01,528 --> 02:21:04,121
The thing that says the rich
man will sell you the rope
2762
02:21:04,122 --> 02:21:04,882
to hand himself with
2763
02:21:05,366 --> 02:21:07,038
if he think she can
make a buck off it
2764
02:21:07,039 --> 02:21:08,080
well I'm the rope.
2765
02:21:08,246 --> 02:21:09,075
I hope.
2766
02:21:09,205 --> 02:21:11,002
I'm part of the rope.
2767
02:21:11,125 --> 02:21:13,718
And they also believe that
when people watch my stuff
2768
02:21:14,004 --> 02:21:15,834
or maybe watch this film
or whatever
2769
02:21:15,923 --> 02:21:17,841
they think that
you know
2770
02:21:17,842 --> 02:21:19,195
well you know
well you know what
2771
02:21:19,282 --> 02:21:20,999
they'll watch this and
they wont do anything
2772
02:21:21,201 --> 02:21:22,953
because we've done such
a good job of numbing
2773
02:21:23,121 --> 02:21:24,872
their minds and
dumbing them down
2774
02:21:25,040 --> 02:21:26,479
you know they'll
never affect...
2775
02:21:26,480 --> 02:21:27,878
People aren't going
to leave the church
2776
02:21:27,919 --> 02:21:29,591
and go and do
something political.
2777
02:21:29,838 --> 02:21:31,556
They're convinced of that.
2778
02:21:31,758 --> 02:21:33,395
I'm convinced
of the opposite.
2779
02:21:33,677 --> 02:21:34,636
I'm convinced
that a few people
2780
02:21:34,637 --> 02:21:36,592
are going to leave
this movie theatre
2781
02:21:37,036 --> 02:21:38,472
or get up off the couch
2782
02:21:38,473 --> 02:21:39,908
and go and do something
2783
02:21:40,395 --> 02:21:43,830
anything and get this
world back in our hands.215483
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