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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,340 --> 00:00:09,740 150 years ago 2 00:00:10,060 --> 00:00:10,825 the business corporation 3 00:00:10,860 --> 00:00:13,850 was a relatively insignificant institution. 4 00:00:13,940 --> 00:00:16,620 Today it is all pervasive. 5 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:17,745 Like the church 6 00:00:17,780 --> 00:00:19,850 the monarchy and the communist party 7 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:21,770 in other times and places 8 00:00:21,860 --> 00:00:24,460 the corporation is today's dominant institution. 9 00:00:26,260 --> 00:00:28,740 This documentary examines the nature, 10 00:00:28,775 --> 00:00:31,220 evolution, impacts and possible futures 11 00:00:31,540 --> 00:00:33,690 of the modern business corporation. 12 00:00:35,860 --> 00:00:38,220 Initially given a narrow legal mandate 13 00:00:38,260 --> 00:00:40,540 what has allowed today's corporation to achieve 14 00:00:40,660 --> 00:00:43,760 such extraordinary power and influence over our lives? 15 00:00:43,795 --> 00:00:46,860 We begin our inquiry as scandals threaten to trigger 16 00:00:46,900 --> 00:00:49,620 a wide debate about the lack of public control 17 00:00:49,780 --> 00:00:51,850 over big corporations. 18 00:00:52,180 --> 00:01:00,020 I think there is an overhang over the market, of distrust. 19 00:01:00,055 --> 00:01:02,170 listen, 95 percent or some percent 20 00:01:02,260 --> 00:01:03,330 huge percentage 21 00:01:03,700 --> 00:01:06,140 of the business community are honest 22 00:01:06,175 --> 00:01:08,570 and uh, reveal all their assets 23 00:01:08,980 --> 00:01:11,890 got compensation programs that are balanced. 24 00:01:11,900 --> 00:01:13,980 But there are some bad apples... 25 00:01:14,260 --> 00:01:15,930 the media debate about the basic operating principles 26 00:01:16,180 --> 00:01:18,090 of the corporate world was quickly reduced 27 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:19,985 to a game of follow the leader. 28 00:01:20,020 --> 00:01:21,340 I still happen to think the United States 29 00:01:21,820 --> 00:01:23,780 is the greatest place in the world to invest. 30 00:01:23,815 --> 00:01:25,740 We have some shake ups that are going on 31 00:01:25,940 --> 00:01:27,010 because of a few bad apples. 32 00:01:32,500 --> 00:01:36,580 Some people call me a bad apple 33 00:01:36,820 --> 00:01:42,060 but I may be bruised but I still taste sweet. 34 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:46,380 Some people call me a bad apple 35 00:01:46,420 --> 00:01:49,860 but I may be the sweetest apple on the tree. 36 00:01:51,380 --> 00:01:54,450 These are not just a bunch of bad apples. 37 00:01:54,700 --> 00:01:56,290 This is just a few bad apples. 38 00:01:56,620 --> 00:01:58,025 This is not just a few bad apples. 39 00:01:58,060 --> 00:01:59,890 You've gotta get rid of the bad apples 40 00:01:59,980 --> 00:02:01,100 You can start with Tyco 41 00:02:01,420 --> 00:02:02,345 Bad apples 42 00:02:02,380 --> 00:02:03,780 We know all about WorldCom. 43 00:02:04,300 --> 00:02:05,225 Bad apples 44 00:02:05,260 --> 00:02:06,300 Xerox Corporation. 45 00:02:06,335 --> 00:02:07,020 Bad apples 46 00:02:07,180 --> 00:02:07,930 Arthur Anderson. 47 00:02:08,140 --> 00:02:08,940 Bad apples 48 00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:09,660 Enron obviously 49 00:02:09,695 --> 00:02:10,220 bad apples. 50 00:02:10,540 --> 00:02:11,610 K-mart Corporation 51 00:02:11,980 --> 00:02:12,425 Bad apples 52 00:02:12,460 --> 00:02:13,940 the fruit cart is getting a little more full. 53 00:02:14,380 --> 00:02:16,220 I don�t think it's just a few apples unfortunately. 54 00:02:16,255 --> 00:02:18,050 I think this is the worst crisis of confidence 55 00:02:18,220 --> 00:02:20,820 in business. 56 00:02:21,060 --> 00:02:23,000 What's wrong with this picture? 57 00:02:23,035 --> 00:02:24,940 Can we not pick a better metaphor 58 00:02:25,220 --> 00:02:27,580 to describe the dominant institution of our time? 59 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:32,780 Through the voices of CEOs whistle blowers 60 00:02:32,815 --> 00:02:35,620 brokers gurus and spies 61 00:02:35,660 --> 00:02:37,570 insiders and outsiders 62 00:02:38,060 --> 00:02:40,320 we present the corporation as a paradox 63 00:02:40,355 --> 00:02:42,580 an institution which creates great wealth 64 00:02:42,860 --> 00:02:45,460 but causes enormous and often hidden harms. 65 00:03:02,420 --> 00:03:05,730 I see the corporation as part of a jigsaw 66 00:03:05,780 --> 00:03:07,140 in society as a whole 67 00:03:07,220 --> 00:03:08,880 which if you remove it 68 00:03:08,915 --> 00:03:10,540 the picture�s incomplete. 69 00:03:10,580 --> 00:03:13,460 But equally if it's the only part 70 00:03:13,940 --> 00:03:15,090 it's not going to work. 71 00:03:16,340 --> 00:03:17,265 A sports team. 72 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:19,340 Some of us are blocking and tackling. 73 00:03:19,375 --> 00:03:20,620 Some of us are running the ball 74 00:03:20,980 --> 00:03:22,620 some of us are throwing the ball. 75 00:03:22,655 --> 00:03:24,260 But we all have a common purpose 76 00:03:24,660 --> 00:03:26,890 which is to succeed as an organization. 77 00:03:28,580 --> 00:03:30,460 A corporations like a family unit. 78 00:03:30,980 --> 00:03:34,660 People in a corporation work together for a common end 79 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:39,450 Like the telephone system 80 00:03:39,620 --> 00:03:41,980 it reaches almost everywhere. 81 00:03:42,020 --> 00:03:46,140 It's extraordinarily powerful it's pretty hard to avoid. 82 00:03:46,340 --> 00:03:48,940 And it transforms the lives of people 83 00:03:48,975 --> 00:03:50,460 I think on balance 84 00:03:50,660 --> 00:03:51,620 for the better. 85 00:03:53,060 --> 00:03:54,810 The eagle 86 00:03:54,820 --> 00:03:58,940 soaring clear eyed competitive 87 00:03:59,140 --> 00:04:03,425 prepared to strike but not a vulture. 88 00:04:03,460 --> 00:04:09,010 Noble visionary majestic that people can believe in 89 00:04:09,220 --> 00:04:11,420 and be inspired by 90 00:04:11,620 --> 00:04:15,930 that creates such a lift that it soars. 91 00:04:15,940 --> 00:04:18,820 I can see that being a good logo 92 00:04:18,855 --> 00:04:20,620 for the principled company. 93 00:04:24,100 --> 00:04:25,980 Okay guys enough bullshit. 94 00:04:30,340 --> 00:04:33,300 Corporations are artificial creations. 95 00:04:33,335 --> 00:04:35,100 You might say they�re monsters 96 00:04:35,140 --> 00:04:39,500 trying to devour as much profit as possible 97 00:04:39,780 --> 00:04:43,380 at anyone's expense. 98 00:04:43,620 --> 00:04:44,850 I think of a whale. 99 00:04:45,060 --> 00:04:48,385 A gentle big fish 100 00:04:48,420 --> 00:04:52,210 which could swallow you in an instant. 101 00:04:52,245 --> 00:04:56,460 Dr. Frankenstein's creation 102 00:04:56,900 --> 00:04:59,755 has overwhelmed and overpowered him. 103 00:04:59,790 --> 00:05:02,610 As the corporate form has done with us. 104 00:05:13,220 --> 00:05:17,300 The word corporate gets attached in almost 105 00:05:17,335 --> 00:05:19,740 you know in a pejorative sense to 106 00:05:19,940 --> 00:05:22,185 and gets married with the word agenda. 107 00:05:22,220 --> 00:05:25,530 And one hears a lot about the corporate agenda 108 00:05:25,940 --> 00:05:28,140 as though it is evil 109 00:05:28,340 --> 00:05:30,140 as though it is an agenda 110 00:05:30,260 --> 00:05:32,490 which is trying to take over the world. 111 00:05:33,620 --> 00:05:36,500 Personally I don't use the word "corporation " 112 00:05:36,535 --> 00:05:37,700 I use the word business. 113 00:05:37,940 --> 00:05:42,220 I will use the word use the word company. 114 00:05:42,260 --> 00:05:45,020 I will use the words business community 115 00:05:45,140 --> 00:05:48,340 cause I think that is a much fairer representation 116 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:52,210 than zeroing in on just this word corporation. 117 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:01,130 It's funny that I've taught in a business school 118 00:06:01,140 --> 00:06:02,210 for as long as I have 119 00:06:02,580 --> 00:06:05,780 without ever having been asked so pointedly 120 00:06:05,940 --> 00:06:09,090 to say what I think a corporation is. 121 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:13,220 ...it is one form of business ownership. 122 00:06:13,420 --> 00:06:16,650 It's a group of individuals working together to serve 123 00:06:16,780 --> 00:06:18,690 a variety of objectives. 124 00:06:18,700 --> 00:06:21,090 The principal one of which is earning large 125 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:25,570 growing sustained legal returns 126 00:06:25,900 --> 00:06:27,730 for the people who own the business. 127 00:06:33,340 --> 00:06:38,890 The modern corporation has grown out of the industrial age. 128 00:06:39,420 --> 00:06:42,745 The industrial age began in 1712 129 00:06:42,780 --> 00:06:45,380 with an Englishman named Thomas Newcomen 130 00:06:45,660 --> 00:06:48,785 invented a steam driven pump to pump water 131 00:06:48,820 --> 00:06:51,580 out of the English coalmine so the English coalminers 132 00:06:51,700 --> 00:06:53,340 could get more coal to mine 133 00:06:53,620 --> 00:06:56,300 rather than hauling buckets of water 134 00:06:56,500 --> 00:06:57,425 out of the mine 135 00:06:57,460 --> 00:07:01,500 It was all about productivity more coal per man hour. 136 00:07:01,700 --> 00:07:03,370 That was the dawn of the industrial age. 137 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:06,260 And then it became more steel per man hour 138 00:07:06,295 --> 00:07:07,810 more textiles per man hour 139 00:07:08,140 --> 00:07:10,025 more automobiles per man hour 140 00:07:10,060 --> 00:07:12,180 and today it's more chips per man hour 141 00:07:12,460 --> 00:07:14,580 more gizmos per man hour. 142 00:07:14,860 --> 00:07:17,485 The system is basically the same system 143 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,180 producing more sophisticated products today. 144 00:07:24,140 --> 00:07:27,945 The dominant role of corporations in our lives 145 00:07:27,980 --> 00:07:31,660 is essentially a product of roughly the past century. 146 00:07:31,820 --> 00:07:35,340 Corporations were originally associations of people 147 00:07:35,375 --> 00:07:36,820 who were chartered by a state 148 00:07:37,100 --> 00:07:39,140 to perform some particular function. 149 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:42,275 Like a group of people want to build abridge 150 00:07:42,310 --> 00:07:45,050 over the Charles River or something like that. 151 00:07:45,260 --> 00:07:48,140 There were very few chartered corporations 152 00:07:48,175 --> 00:07:50,210 in early United States history. 153 00:07:50,420 --> 00:07:54,570 And the ones that existed had clear stipulations 154 00:07:54,740 --> 00:07:56,480 in their state issued charters 155 00:07:56,515 --> 00:07:58,220 how long they could operate 156 00:07:58,580 --> 00:08:00,465 the amount of capitalization 157 00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:03,570 what they made or did or maintained 158 00:08:03,860 --> 00:08:05,450 a turnpike whatever was in their charter 159 00:08:05,780 --> 00:08:07,690 and they didn't do anything else. 160 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:11,330 They didn't own or couldn't own another corporation. 161 00:08:11,540 --> 00:08:13,580 Their shareholders were liable. 162 00:08:13,615 --> 00:08:15,370 And so on. 163 00:08:15,380 --> 00:08:17,820 In both law and the culture the corporation was considered 164 00:08:18,260 --> 00:08:22,220 a subordinate entity that was a gift from the people 165 00:08:22,255 --> 00:08:24,250 in order to serve the public good. 166 00:08:28,340 --> 00:08:29,745 So you have that history 167 00:08:29,780 --> 00:08:30,930 and we shouldn't be misled by it 168 00:08:31,220 --> 00:08:33,940 it's not as if these were the halcyon days 169 00:08:34,100 --> 00:08:36,490 when all corporations served the public trust 170 00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:38,170 but there's a lot to learn from that. 171 00:08:41,140 --> 00:08:45,580 The Civil War and the Industrial Revolution 172 00:08:45,660 --> 00:08:48,420 created enormous growth in corporations. 173 00:08:48,455 --> 00:08:51,180 And so there was an explosion of railroads 174 00:08:51,420 --> 00:08:54,540 who got large federal subsidies of land. 175 00:08:54,780 --> 00:08:58,090 Banking heavily manufacturing 176 00:08:58,140 --> 00:09:00,900 And corporate lawyers a century and a half ago 177 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:04,275 realized that they needed more power to operate 178 00:09:04,310 --> 00:09:07,530 And wanted to remove some of the constraints 179 00:09:07,740 --> 00:09:11,780 that had historically been placed on the corporate form. 180 00:09:12,060 --> 00:09:13,880 The 14th amendment was passed 181 00:09:13,915 --> 00:09:15,700 at the end of the Civil War 182 00:09:15,900 --> 00:09:19,500 to give equal rights to black people. 183 00:09:19,535 --> 00:09:21,010 And therefore it said 184 00:09:21,180 --> 00:09:24,330 No state can deprive any person of life 185 00:09:24,540 --> 00:09:27,135 liberty or property without due process of law. 186 00:09:27,170 --> 00:09:29,730 And that was intended to prevent the states 187 00:09:29,820 --> 00:09:32,210 from taking away life liberty or property 188 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:34,930 from black people as they had done 189 00:09:34,965 --> 00:09:36,980 for so much of our history. 190 00:09:37,500 --> 00:09:40,100 And what happens is the corporations come into court 191 00:09:40,135 --> 00:09:42,130 and corporation lawyers are very clever. 192 00:09:42,300 --> 00:09:43,450 And they say 193 00:09:43,740 --> 00:09:46,700 Oh you cant deprive a person of life 194 00:09:46,735 --> 00:09:47,770 liberty or property. 195 00:09:48,060 --> 00:09:49,210 We are a person. 196 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:50,905 A corporation is a person. 197 00:09:50,940 --> 00:09:52,660 And so supreme court goes along with that. 198 00:09:54,300 --> 00:09:58,010 And what was particularly grotesque about this was 199 00:09:58,140 --> 00:10:01,100 that the 14th amendment was passed 200 00:10:01,135 --> 00:10:04,060 to protect newly freed slaves. 201 00:10:04,380 --> 00:10:08,185 So for instance between 1890 and 1910 202 00:10:08,220 --> 00:10:12,500 there were 307 cases brought before the court 203 00:10:13,020 --> 00:10:14,900 under the 14th amendment. 204 00:10:14,940 --> 00:10:18,380 288 of these brought by corporations 205 00:10:18,415 --> 00:10:20,460 19 by African Americans. 206 00:10:26,820 --> 00:10:32,220 600000 people were killed to get rights for people 207 00:10:32,580 --> 00:10:36,440 and then with strokes of the pen over the next 30years 208 00:10:36,475 --> 00:10:40,300 judges applied those rights to capital and property 209 00:10:40,335 --> 00:10:42,980 while stripping them from people. 210 00:10:57,420 --> 00:10:59,380 Everybody makes a mistake once in a while 211 00:10:59,620 --> 00:11:02,770 but I just cant be personally responsible. 212 00:11:02,980 --> 00:11:05,050 That's one of the weaknesses of a partnership 213 00:11:05,085 --> 00:11:06,570 isn't it Sid? 214 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:09,770 Well maybe you�d better incorporate the store. 215 00:11:10,060 --> 00:11:10,970 Incorporate?! 216 00:11:11,020 --> 00:11:12,140 Yes 217 00:11:12,420 --> 00:11:15,380 Incorporating would give you the big advantage of 218 00:11:15,415 --> 00:11:18,820 what you want right now limited liability. 219 00:11:19,140 --> 00:11:20,940 You start with a group of people 220 00:11:21,060 --> 00:11:23,900 who wanna invest their money in accompany. 221 00:11:23,940 --> 00:11:28,730 Then these people apply for a charter as a corporation. 222 00:11:28,740 --> 00:11:32,370 This government issues a charter to that corporation. 223 00:11:32,580 --> 00:11:37,450 Now that corporation operates legally as an individual person 224 00:11:37,485 --> 00:11:39,980 it is not a group of people 225 00:11:40,260 --> 00:11:43,060 it is under the law a legal person. 226 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:46,810 Imperial Steel Incorporated has many of the legal rights 227 00:11:47,140 --> 00:11:48,500 of a person. 228 00:11:48,580 --> 00:11:51,180 It can buy and sell property... 229 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:53,345 It can borrow money. 230 00:11:53,380 --> 00:11:56,180 It can sue in court and be sued. 231 00:11:56,260 --> 00:11:59,020 It can carry on a business. 232 00:11:59,140 --> 00:12:00,370 Imperial Steel 233 00:12:00,580 --> 00:12:03,380 along with thousands of other legal persons 234 00:12:03,460 --> 00:12:06,100 is a part of our daily living. 235 00:12:06,340 --> 00:12:08,700 It is a member of our society. 236 00:12:10,660 --> 00:12:13,650 Having acquired the legal rights and protections of a person 237 00:12:13,660 --> 00:12:15,450 the question arises 238 00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:19,140 What kind of person is the corporation? 239 00:12:19,300 --> 00:12:22,770 Corporations were given the rights of immortal persons. 240 00:12:22,780 --> 00:12:24,770 But then special kinds of persons 241 00:12:25,060 --> 00:12:27,500 persons who had no moral conscience. 242 00:12:32,260 --> 00:12:34,460 These are a special kind of persons 243 00:12:34,660 --> 00:12:37,620 which are designed by law to be concerned 244 00:12:37,655 --> 00:12:40,140 only for their stockholders. 245 00:12:40,420 --> 00:12:42,650 And not say what are sometimes 246 00:12:42,820 --> 00:12:44,050 called their stakeholders 247 00:12:44,260 --> 00:12:46,540 like the community or the work force or whatever. 248 00:12:46,660 --> 00:12:51,370 The great problems of having corporate citizens 249 00:12:51,460 --> 00:12:55,820 is that they aren�t like the rest of us. 250 00:12:56,060 --> 00:12:58,660 As Baron Thurlow in England is supposed to have said 251 00:12:58,695 --> 00:12:59,740 They have no soul to save 252 00:12:59,900 --> 00:13:02,660 and they have no body to incarcerate. 253 00:13:02,780 --> 00:13:04,530 I believe the mistake that a lot of people make 254 00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:05,930 when they think about corporations 255 00:13:06,140 --> 00:13:10,505 is they think you know corporations are like us. 256 00:13:10,540 --> 00:13:14,930 General Electric is a kind old man with lots of stories. 257 00:13:14,940 --> 00:13:18,980 Nike young energetic. 258 00:13:19,260 --> 00:13:21,250 Microsoft aggressive 259 00:13:21,620 --> 00:13:26,380 McDonald's young outgoing enthusiastic 260 00:13:26,415 --> 00:13:29,580 Monsanto immaculately dressed 261 00:13:29,660 --> 00:13:32,260 Disney goofy. 262 00:13:32,540 --> 00:13:35,980 The Body Shop um deceptive 263 00:13:36,015 --> 00:13:37,380 very lovely. 264 00:13:39,260 --> 00:13:40,410 Do you know what the body shop is? 265 00:13:40,700 --> 00:13:41,425 Nope. 266 00:13:41,460 --> 00:13:43,530 They have feelings they have politics 267 00:13:43,860 --> 00:13:45,265 they have belief systems 268 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:46,970 they really only have one thing 269 00:13:47,220 --> 00:13:48,500 the bottom line 270 00:13:48,660 --> 00:13:51,020 How to make as much money as they can 271 00:13:51,060 --> 00:13:52,260 in any given quarter. 272 00:13:52,500 --> 00:13:53,380 That's it. 273 00:13:53,460 --> 00:13:55,290 Of course they make a profit 274 00:13:55,380 --> 00:13:56,785 and it's a good thing. 275 00:13:56,820 --> 00:13:59,580 That's the incentive that makes capitalism work. 276 00:13:59,700 --> 00:14:02,420 To give us more of the things that we need. 277 00:14:02,860 --> 00:14:05,580 That�s the incentive that other economic systems lack. 278 00:14:05,615 --> 00:14:08,300 People accuse us of only paying attention 279 00:14:08,460 --> 00:14:09,660 to the economic leg 280 00:14:09,695 --> 00:14:10,825 because they think 281 00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:12,820 that�s what a business persons mind set is 282 00:14:13,260 --> 00:14:14,820 it's just money. 283 00:14:14,855 --> 00:14:16,380 And it's not so 284 00:14:16,620 --> 00:14:19,010 because we as business people 285 00:14:19,020 --> 00:14:22,940 know that wanted to certainly address the environment 286 00:14:22,975 --> 00:14:27,460 but also we need to be seen as 287 00:14:27,660 --> 00:14:29,860 constructive members of society. 288 00:14:30,060 --> 00:14:33,770 There are companies that do good for the communities. 289 00:14:33,900 --> 00:14:35,650 They produce services and goods 290 00:14:35,820 --> 00:14:38,160 that are of value to all of us 291 00:14:38,195 --> 00:14:40,500 that make our lives better 292 00:14:40,620 --> 00:14:42,210 and that's a good thing. 293 00:14:42,540 --> 00:14:47,410 The problem comes in the profit motivation here 294 00:14:47,445 --> 00:14:48,570 because these people 295 00:14:48,780 --> 00:14:51,755 there�s no such thing as enough. 296 00:14:51,790 --> 00:14:54,730 And I always counter point out 297 00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:57,380 there�s no organization on this planet 298 00:14:57,420 --> 00:15:01,340 that can neglect its economic foundation. 299 00:15:01,540 --> 00:15:05,460 Even someone living under a banyan tree is dependent 300 00:15:05,495 --> 00:15:08,060 on support from someone. 301 00:15:08,260 --> 00:15:11,890 Economic leg has to be addressed by everyone. 302 00:15:12,300 --> 00:15:15,625 It's not just a business issue. 303 00:15:15,660 --> 00:15:18,500 But unlike someone under a banyan tree 304 00:15:18,860 --> 00:15:20,380 all publicly traded corporations 305 00:15:20,415 --> 00:15:21,450 has been structured 306 00:15:21,740 --> 00:15:23,650 through a series of legal decisions 307 00:15:23,660 --> 00:15:27,780 to have a peculiar and disturbing characteristic. 308 00:15:27,980 --> 00:15:29,865 They are required by law 309 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:32,500 to place the financial interests of their owners 310 00:15:32,780 --> 00:15:35,540 above competing interests. 311 00:15:35,660 --> 00:15:37,985 In fact the corporation is legally bound 312 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:40,820 to put its bottom line ahead of everything else 313 00:15:40,900 --> 00:15:44,980 even the public good. 314 00:15:45,220 --> 00:15:46,290 That�s not a law of nature 315 00:15:46,460 --> 00:15:48,130 that's a very specific decision. 316 00:15:48,380 --> 00:15:50,610 In fact a judicial decision. 317 00:15:50,780 --> 00:15:53,675 So they�re concerned only for the short term profit 318 00:15:53,710 --> 00:15:56,570 of their stockholders who are very highly concentrated. 319 00:15:59,860 --> 00:16:05,020 To whom do these companies owe loyalty? 320 00:16:05,140 --> 00:16:06,720 What does loyalty mean? 321 00:16:06,755 --> 00:16:08,300 Well it turns out that 322 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:10,650 that was a rather naive concept anyways 323 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:13,225 as corporations are always owed obligation 324 00:16:13,260 --> 00:16:15,980 to themselves to get large and to get profitable. 325 00:16:16,140 --> 00:16:17,340 In doing this 326 00:16:17,580 --> 00:16:20,535 it tends to be more profitable to the extent 327 00:16:20,570 --> 00:16:23,490 it can make other people pay the bills 328 00:16:23,620 --> 00:16:26,465 for its impact on society. 329 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:28,780 There's a terrible word that economists use for this 330 00:16:28,900 --> 00:16:30,540 called externalities. 331 00:16:30,820 --> 00:16:35,610 An externality is the effect of a transaction 332 00:16:35,645 --> 00:16:37,780 between two individuals. 333 00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:41,610 Third party who has not consented to 334 00:16:41,660 --> 00:16:44,540 or played any role in the carrying out 335 00:16:44,575 --> 00:16:45,945 of that transaction 336 00:16:45,980 --> 00:16:47,730 And there are real problems in that area. 337 00:16:47,900 --> 00:16:51,705 There�s no doubt about it. 338 00:16:51,740 --> 00:16:54,620 Running a business is a tough proposition. 339 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:59,220 There are costs to be minimized at every turn 340 00:16:59,420 --> 00:17:01,855 and at some point the corporation says 341 00:17:01,890 --> 00:17:04,290 you know let somebody else deal with that. 342 00:17:04,700 --> 00:17:07,690 Let's let somebody else supply the military power 343 00:17:07,700 --> 00:17:10,340 to the middle east to protect the oil at its source. 344 00:17:10,460 --> 00:17:14,090 Let's let somebody else build the roads that we can drive 345 00:17:14,260 --> 00:17:15,900 these automobiles on. 346 00:17:16,180 --> 00:17:19,700 Let's let somebody else have those problems 347 00:17:19,735 --> 00:17:23,220 And that is where externalities come from 348 00:17:23,380 --> 00:17:26,660 that notion of let somebody else deal with that. 349 00:17:26,740 --> 00:17:29,105 I got all I can handle myself. 350 00:17:29,140 --> 00:17:31,530 A corporation is an externalizing machine 351 00:17:31,540 --> 00:17:35,010 in the same way that a shark is a killing machine. 352 00:17:35,380 --> 00:17:39,220 Each one is designed in a very efficient way 353 00:17:39,255 --> 00:17:41,740 to accomplish particular objectives. 354 00:17:42,100 --> 00:17:43,930 In the achievement of those objectives 355 00:17:44,020 --> 00:17:48,300 there isn�t any question of malevolence or of will. 356 00:17:48,340 --> 00:17:50,250 The enterprise has within it 357 00:17:50,260 --> 00:17:51,850 and the shark has within it 358 00:17:52,180 --> 00:17:54,490 those characteristics that enable it to do that 359 00:17:54,580 --> 00:17:56,540 for which it was designed. 360 00:17:56,620 --> 00:17:58,770 The pressure is on the corporation 361 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:02,130 to deliver results now 362 00:18:02,220 --> 00:18:04,105 and to externalize any cost 363 00:18:04,140 --> 00:18:06,340 that this unwary or uncaring public 364 00:18:06,540 --> 00:18:08,500 will allow it to eternalize. 365 00:18:20,020 --> 00:18:21,540 To determine the kind of personality 366 00:18:21,575 --> 00:18:22,820 that drives the corporation 367 00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:25,210 to behave like an externalizing machine 368 00:18:25,300 --> 00:18:26,370 we can analyze it 369 00:18:26,740 --> 00:18:28,460 like a psychiatrist would a patient. 370 00:18:30,580 --> 00:18:32,410 We can even formulate a diagnosis 371 00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:34,970 on the basis of typical case histories of harm 372 00:18:35,005 --> 00:18:37,130 that is inflicted on others 373 00:18:37,300 --> 00:18:39,420 selected from a universe of corporate activity. 374 00:18:55,820 --> 00:18:56,780 Well this is the office 375 00:18:57,260 --> 00:18:59,145 of the national labour committee 376 00:18:59,180 --> 00:19:02,300 here in the garment area of New York City. 377 00:19:02,460 --> 00:19:06,065 It's a little bit dishevelled. 378 00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:09,700 These are all from different campaigns. 379 00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:13,010 To make this stuff concrete as possible 380 00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:16,770 we purchased all of the products from the factories 381 00:19:16,805 --> 00:19:17,105 that we're talking about. 382 00:19:17,140 --> 00:19:21,610 This shirt sells for $14.99. 383 00:19:21,940 --> 00:19:25,170 And the women who made this shirt got paid $0.03. 384 00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:28,210 Liz Claiborne jackets made in El Salvador 385 00:19:28,220 --> 00:19:30,540 The jackets are $178 386 00:19:30,860 --> 00:19:32,770 and the workers were paid $0.74 387 00:19:32,780 --> 00:19:34,530 for every jacket they made. 388 00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:36,980 Alpine car stereos $0.31 an hour. 389 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:38,155 It's not just sneakers. 390 00:19:38,190 --> 00:19:39,210 It's not just apparel. 391 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:41,380 It's everything. 392 00:19:44,620 --> 00:19:47,530 We were in Honduras 393 00:19:47,860 --> 00:19:50,300 and some workers they knew what kind of work we did 394 00:19:50,335 --> 00:19:52,620 and they approached us and said 395 00:19:52,660 --> 00:19:55,020 conditions in our factory are horrible. 396 00:19:55,060 --> 00:19:56,730 Will you please meet with us. 397 00:19:56,980 --> 00:19:57,860 And we said we would. 398 00:19:57,940 --> 00:20:00,140 But you cant meet in the developing world 399 00:20:00,340 --> 00:20:02,570 you cant walk up in a factory with your notebook 400 00:20:02,740 --> 00:20:04,490 and workers come up and interview them. 401 00:20:04,660 --> 00:20:05,810 I mean there's goons there�s spies 402 00:20:05,845 --> 00:20:06,290 the military police 403 00:20:06,580 --> 00:20:09,220 so you do everything in a clandestine manner. 404 00:20:09,255 --> 00:20:10,300 We are about to start the meeting 405 00:20:10,420 --> 00:20:12,140 and in walk three guys 406 00:20:12,340 --> 00:20:14,060 very tough looking guys. 407 00:20:14,260 --> 00:20:16,220 The company had found out about our meeting 408 00:20:16,255 --> 00:20:17,300 and sent these spies. 409 00:20:17,620 --> 00:20:19,370 Obviously we didn�t have the meeting. 410 00:20:19,460 --> 00:20:21,260 But these young girls were really bright 411 00:20:21,295 --> 00:20:23,010 And as they were leaving 412 00:20:23,180 --> 00:20:24,105 away from the eyesight of the spies 413 00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:26,340 they started to put their hands underneath the table. 414 00:20:26,540 --> 00:20:28,900 And I put my hand under there 415 00:20:28,940 --> 00:20:30,770 and they put into my hand their pay stubs. 416 00:20:30,860 --> 00:20:33,740 So we'd know who they were 417 00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:35,100 what they were paid 418 00:20:35,180 --> 00:20:36,980 and the labels that they made in the factory 419 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:38,985 so wed know who they worked for. 420 00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:41,740 So I took my hand after everyone had left. 421 00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:43,180 And in the palm of my hand 422 00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:44,970 was the face was of Kathy Lee Gifford 423 00:20:45,220 --> 00:20:47,105 And on the bottom of it was 424 00:20:47,140 --> 00:20:49,740 A portion of the proceeds from the sale of this garment 425 00:20:50,020 --> 00:20:52,980 would be donated to various children�s charities. 426 00:20:53,015 --> 00:20:55,130 Very touching gets you right here. 427 00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:57,210 Wal-Mart is telling you if you purchase these pants 428 00:20:57,700 --> 00:20:59,100 and Kathy Lee is telling you 429 00:20:59,140 --> 00:21:00,115 if you purchase these pants 430 00:21:00,150 --> 00:21:01,090 you will be helping children. 431 00:21:01,540 --> 00:21:02,860 The problem was 432 00:21:02,980 --> 00:21:04,570 the people that handed us this label 433 00:21:04,580 --> 00:21:05,740 were 13 years of age. 434 00:21:06,820 --> 00:21:10,610 Do many people in your family work here? 435 00:21:10,645 --> 00:21:11,465 Just me. 436 00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:11,820 How many people do you support? 437 00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:13,540 Eight people? 438 00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:15,970 And how do you do it with that salary is it enough? 439 00:21:16,005 --> 00:21:18,210 No. 440 00:21:20,020 --> 00:21:21,660 Let's look at it from a different point of view 441 00:21:21,940 --> 00:21:23,580 Let's look at it from a point of view 442 00:21:23,860 --> 00:21:30,650 of the people in Bangladesh who are starving to death. 443 00:21:30,660 --> 00:21:34,050 The people in China who are starving to death 444 00:21:34,420 --> 00:21:37,620 and the only thing that they have to offer to anybody 445 00:21:37,780 --> 00:21:41,140 that is worth anything 446 00:21:41,175 --> 00:21:44,500 is their low cost labour. 447 00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:47,620 And in effect what they�re saying to the world 448 00:21:47,860 --> 00:21:51,010 is they have this big flag that says 449 00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:53,105 Come over and hire us. 450 00:21:53,140 --> 00:21:55,940 We will work for $0.10 an hour. 451 00:21:56,020 --> 00:21:58,220 Because $0.10 an hour will buy us the rice 452 00:21:58,420 --> 00:22:01,220 that's wanted not to starve. 453 00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:05,380 And come and rescue us from our circumstance. 454 00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:08,945 And so when Nike comes in 455 00:22:08,980 --> 00:22:11,370 they are regarded by everybody in the community 456 00:22:11,380 --> 00:22:12,940 as an enormous godsend. 457 00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:19,890 Hey wait! 458 00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:22,820 You are not permitted to be here! 459 00:22:22,855 --> 00:22:23,450 The door was wide open. 460 00:22:23,660 --> 00:22:24,410 No no no no no. 461 00:22:24,620 --> 00:22:25,460 That�s my clothes. 462 00:22:25,495 --> 00:22:26,300 Those are my clothes. 463 00:22:26,460 --> 00:22:28,180 This is not your clothes. 464 00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:29,745 Why your camera!? 465 00:22:29,780 --> 00:22:30,930 Don�t touch the woman. 466 00:22:30,965 --> 00:22:31,780 Why!? 467 00:22:31,980 --> 00:22:33,970 This is a private company. 468 00:22:34,380 --> 00:22:38,060 Without permission how can you come here? 469 00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:40,660 Yes well the door was wide open 470 00:22:40,695 --> 00:22:43,060 The doors for employees 471 00:22:43,095 --> 00:22:44,610 not for you. 472 00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:47,180 We went through the garbage dump 473 00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:48,250 in the Dominican Republic. 474 00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:49,260 We always do this kind of stuff 475 00:22:49,295 --> 00:22:50,660 we dig around. 476 00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:53,460 One day we found a big pile 477 00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:55,860 of Nikes internal pricing documents. 478 00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:58,500 Nike assigns a time frame to each operation. 479 00:22:58,780 --> 00:23:00,610 They don�t talk about minutes. 480 00:23:00,700 --> 00:23:04,460 They break the timeframe into ten thousandths of a second. 481 00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:06,885 You get to the bottom of all 22 operations; 482 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,300 they give the workers 6.6 minutes to make the shirt. 483 00:23:09,340 --> 00:23:11,330 It's $0.70 an hour in the Dominican Republic. 484 00:23:11,740 --> 00:23:14,860 That�s 6.6 minutes equals $0.08. 485 00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:15,905 These are Nikes documents. 486 00:23:15,940 --> 00:23:18,060 That means the wages come to three tenths of one percent 487 00:23:18,340 --> 00:23:19,860 of the retail price. 488 00:23:19,895 --> 00:23:21,380 This is the reality. 489 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:24,340 It's the science of exploitation. 490 00:23:35,140 --> 00:23:37,420 What happens in the areas where these corporations 491 00:23:37,540 --> 00:23:38,770 go in and are successful? 492 00:23:38,980 --> 00:23:44,010 They soon find that they cant do any more in that country 493 00:23:44,260 --> 00:23:47,540 because the wages are too high now. 494 00:23:47,620 --> 00:23:48,820 And what�s that another way of saying 495 00:23:48,855 --> 00:23:49,985 well the people are no longer desperate. 496 00:23:50,020 --> 00:23:52,620 So okay we�ve used up all the desperate people there 497 00:23:52,900 --> 00:23:55,700 they�re all plump and healthy and wealthy. 498 00:23:55,780 --> 00:23:59,660 Let�s move on to the next desperate lot and employ them 499 00:23:59,695 --> 00:24:00,940 and raise their level up. 500 00:24:12,540 --> 00:24:14,530 Well the whole idea of the export processing zone 501 00:24:14,940 --> 00:24:17,700 is that it will be the first step towards 502 00:24:17,735 --> 00:24:19,905 this wonderful new development 503 00:24:19,940 --> 00:24:22,540 through the investment that�s attracted to these countries 504 00:24:22,820 --> 00:24:24,260 there will be a trickle down effect 505 00:24:24,295 --> 00:24:25,460 into the communities. 506 00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:28,820 But because so many countries are now in the game 507 00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:31,420 of creating these free trade enclaves 508 00:24:31,660 --> 00:24:34,300 they have to keep providing more and more incentives 509 00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:39,380 for companies to come to their little denationalized pocket. 510 00:24:39,415 --> 00:24:42,185 And the tax holidays get longer. 511 00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:44,290 So the workers rarely make enough money 512 00:24:44,620 --> 00:24:46,025 to buy three meals a days 513 00:24:46,060 --> 00:24:48,180 let alone feed their local economy. 514 00:25:17,460 --> 00:25:20,580 Something happened in 1940 515 00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:24,145 which marked the beginning of a new era. 516 00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:29,780 The era of the ability to synthesize and create. 517 00:25:29,940 --> 00:25:32,785 On an unlimited scale 518 00:25:32,820 --> 00:25:35,420 new chemicals that had never existed before 519 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:36,820 in the world. 520 00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:39,025 And using the magic of research 521 00:25:39,060 --> 00:25:41,420 oil companies compete with each other 522 00:25:41,460 --> 00:25:44,220 in taking the petroleum molecule apart 523 00:25:44,340 --> 00:25:47,890 and rearranging it into well you name it... 524 00:25:48,180 --> 00:25:50,460 So suddenly it became possible 525 00:25:50,495 --> 00:25:52,740 to produce any new chemical 526 00:25:52,860 --> 00:25:54,140 synthetic chemicals 527 00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:56,260 the likes of which had never existed before in the world 528 00:25:56,295 --> 00:25:59,060 for any purpose and at virtually no cost. 529 00:26:00,060 --> 00:26:05,740 Fabrics toot brushes tires insecticides 530 00:26:05,820 --> 00:26:08,730 cosmetics weed killers. 531 00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:14,340 A whole galaxy of things to make a better life on earth. 532 00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:16,690 For instance if you wanted to go to a chemist and say 533 00:26:16,725 --> 00:26:19,020 look I want to have a chemical say a pesticide 534 00:26:19,540 --> 00:26:22,385 which will persist throughout the food chain 535 00:26:22,420 --> 00:26:25,570 and I don�t want to have to renew it very very often 536 00:26:25,780 --> 00:26:28,980 Id like it to be relatively non-destructible 537 00:26:29,015 --> 00:26:31,010 and then he�d put two benzene molecules 538 00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:33,810 on the blackboard and add a chlorine here 539 00:26:33,845 --> 00:26:35,940 and a chlorine there 540 00:26:36,140 --> 00:26:37,340 that was DDT! 541 00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:40,420 When the eighth army needed Jap civilians to help them out 542 00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:41,865 in our occupation 543 00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:44,500 they called on native doctors to administer DDT 544 00:26:44,780 --> 00:26:46,580 under the supervision of our men 545 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:49,060 to stand a potential typhus epidemic. 546 00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,980 Dusting like this goes a long way in checking disease 547 00:26:52,015 --> 00:26:54,970 and the laughs on them. 548 00:26:55,180 --> 00:26:56,660 "Pardon our dust" 549 00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:12,340 As the petrochemical era grew and grew 550 00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:17,220 warning signs emerged that some of these chemicals 551 00:27:17,260 --> 00:27:19,650 could pose hazards. 552 00:27:19,660 --> 00:27:24,100 The data initially were trivial anecdotal 553 00:27:24,460 --> 00:27:29,105 but gradually a body of data started accumulating 554 00:27:29,140 --> 00:27:33,770 to the extent that we now know that the synthetic chemicals 555 00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:36,540 which have permeated our workplace 556 00:27:36,740 --> 00:27:38,260 our consumer products 557 00:27:38,660 --> 00:27:41,050 our air our water 558 00:27:41,060 --> 00:27:44,100 produced cancer and also birth defects 559 00:27:44,135 --> 00:27:45,610 and some other toxic effects. 560 00:28:11,460 --> 00:28:15,460 Furthermore industry has known about this 561 00:28:15,620 --> 00:28:17,370 at least most industries have known about this 562 00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:19,980 and have attempted to trivialize these risks. 563 00:28:26,180 --> 00:28:29,330 If I take a gun and shoot you that�s criminal. 564 00:28:29,540 --> 00:28:31,860 If I expose you to some chemicals 565 00:28:31,895 --> 00:28:34,180 which knowingly are going to kill you 566 00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:35,780 what difference is there? 567 00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:38,140 The difference is that it takes longer to kill you. 568 00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:44,330 We are now in the midst of a major cancer epidemic 569 00:28:44,365 --> 00:28:46,370 and I have no doubt 570 00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:49,530 and I have documented the basis for this 571 00:28:49,540 --> 00:28:53,380 that industry is largely responsible 572 00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:57,580 for this overwhelming epidemic of cancer 573 00:28:57,660 --> 00:29:01,620 in which one in every two men get cancer in their lifetimes 574 00:29:01,655 --> 00:29:04,890 and one in every three women get cancer. 575 00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:24,260 Towards the end of 1989 576 00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:27,340 a great box of documents arrived at my office 577 00:29:27,375 --> 00:29:30,140 without any indication where they came from. 578 00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:32,820 And I opened them 579 00:29:33,180 --> 00:29:36,140 and found in it a complete set of Monsanto files 580 00:29:36,175 --> 00:29:41,260 dealing with toxicological testing of cows 581 00:29:41,295 --> 00:29:42,820 who�d been given RBGH. 582 00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:46,140 BST trade name Posilac is being used in more than 583 00:29:46,460 --> 00:29:48,820 a quarter of the dairy herds in the United States 584 00:29:48,860 --> 00:29:50,265 according to Monsanto. 585 00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:52,610 The milk is being drunk by a large portion 586 00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:54,290 of the American population 587 00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:56,500 since the food and drug administration declared it safe 588 00:29:56,540 --> 00:29:58,425 for both cows and humans... 589 00:29:58,460 --> 00:30:00,370 And at that the Monsanto was saying 590 00:30:00,380 --> 00:30:01,610 There�s no evidence whatsoever 591 00:30:01,820 --> 00:30:03,020 of any adverse affects 592 00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:04,900 We don�t use antibiotics. 593 00:30:05,180 --> 00:30:08,810 And this clearly showed that they had lied 594 00:30:08,845 --> 00:30:10,420 through their teeth. 595 00:30:16,620 --> 00:30:19,140 The files described areas of chronic inflammation 596 00:30:19,175 --> 00:30:20,850 in the heart lungs kidneys spleen 597 00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:22,850 also reproductive effects 598 00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:27,140 also a whole series of other problems. 599 00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:30,340 ...the most comprehensive independent assessment of the drug 600 00:30:30,380 --> 00:30:33,980 "concludes that BST results in unnecessary pain 601 00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:36,585 suffering and distress for the cows. 602 00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:39,220 This is not acceptable for a drug designed simply 603 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:42,540 to increase milk production... 604 00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:44,745 It is a silly product. 605 00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:47,380 We have the industrial world is awash in milk. 606 00:30:47,660 --> 00:30:48,980 We're over producing milk. 607 00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:51,010 We actually have governments around the world 608 00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:53,865 who pay farmers not to produce milk. 609 00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:56,130 So the first product Monsanto comes up with 610 00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:59,450 is a product that produces more of what we don�t need. 611 00:30:59,660 --> 00:31:03,940 Of course you�ll want to inject Posilac in every eligible cow 612 00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:07,420 as each cow is not treated is a lost income opportunity. 613 00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:08,745 But the problem was 614 00:31:08,780 --> 00:31:10,740 that use of the artificial hormone 615 00:31:11,180 --> 00:31:14,020 caused all sorts of problems for the cows. 616 00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:15,945 It caused something called mastitis 617 00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:20,500 which is a very painful infection of the udders. 618 00:31:20,660 --> 00:31:21,700 When you milk the cow 619 00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:23,820 if the cow has bad mastitis 620 00:31:23,855 --> 00:31:24,340 some of the 621 00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:25,700 and I don�t know how to say this in a you know 622 00:31:25,940 --> 00:31:28,300 I hope people aren�t watching at dinnertime 623 00:31:28,335 --> 00:31:30,660 but the pus from the infection of the udders 624 00:31:30,740 --> 00:31:31,940 ends up in the milk. 625 00:31:32,180 --> 00:31:34,140 And the somatic cell count they call it 626 00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:35,505 the bacteria count 627 00:31:35,540 --> 00:31:38,300 inside your milk goes up. 628 00:31:38,380 --> 00:31:40,980 There�s a cost to the cows. 629 00:31:41,260 --> 00:31:44,650 The cows get sicker when they�re injected with RBGH. 630 00:31:44,685 --> 00:31:47,820 They�re injected with antibiotics. 631 00:31:47,980 --> 00:31:51,290 We know that people are consuming antibiotics 632 00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:52,570 through their food 633 00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:54,420 and we know that that�s contributing 634 00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:57,500 to antibiotic resistant bacteria and diseases. 635 00:31:57,580 --> 00:31:59,380 And we know we're at a crisis when somebody can go 636 00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:01,810 into a hospital and get a staff infection 637 00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:04,050 and it cant be cured and they die. 638 00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:05,860 That�s a crisis. 639 00:32:05,895 --> 00:32:07,420 Bad for the cow 640 00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:09,410 Bad for the farmer 641 00:32:09,580 --> 00:32:11,650 Bad potentially for the consumer 642 00:32:11,980 --> 00:32:12,905 The jury is out 643 00:32:12,940 --> 00:32:14,820 we see a lot of conflicting evidence 644 00:32:15,340 --> 00:32:16,895 about potential health risk. 645 00:32:16,930 --> 00:32:18,450 And of course as a consumer 646 00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:20,980 my belief is why should I take any risk? 647 00:32:26,380 --> 00:32:28,370 Factory farm cows have not been the only victims 648 00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:31,060 of Monsanto products. 649 00:32:31,180 --> 00:32:34,810 Large areas of Vietnam were deforested by the us military 650 00:32:34,845 --> 00:32:36,260 using Monsanto�s agent orange. 651 00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:41,460 The toxic herbicide reportedly caused 652 00:32:41,740 --> 00:32:44,105 over 50,000 birth defects 653 00:32:44,140 --> 00:32:48,290 and hundreds of thousands of cancers in Vietnamese civilians and soldiers 654 00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:53,060 and in former American troops serving in South East Asia. 655 00:32:53,260 --> 00:32:55,145 Unlike the Vietnamese victims 656 00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:57,900 U.S. Vietnam war veterans exposed to Agent Orange 657 00:32:58,060 --> 00:33:02,370 were able to sue Monsanto for causing their illnesses. 658 00:33:02,820 --> 00:33:04,570 Monsanto settled out of court 659 00:33:04,740 --> 00:33:07,655 paying $80 million in damages. 660 00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:10,570 But it never admitted guilt 661 00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:36,610 Sleeping in a motel in Brewer Maine one night 662 00:33:36,645 --> 00:33:37,980 I woke up with terrible hay fever 663 00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:39,540 and my eyes were burning. 664 00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:41,140 And I looked out at the river 665 00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:43,050 and there were great mounds of white foam 666 00:33:43,140 --> 00:33:44,825 going right down the river. 667 00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:46,090 And the next morning I got up and I said 668 00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:47,740 My God what was that happening last night 669 00:33:47,775 --> 00:33:48,940 He said "Oh that�s just the river". 670 00:33:49,020 --> 00:33:49,945 And I said "what do you mean?" 671 00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:51,500 He said "Well look every night the paper company sends 672 00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:53,785 the stuff down the river." 673 00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:55,140 And I said "What are you talking about?" 674 00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:56,580 And he said "Don�t you understand?" 675 00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:59,930 "That show we get rid of the effluent from the paper mills." 676 00:34:00,060 --> 00:34:01,970 Well I knew at that time I had been in the business. 677 00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:04,850 I had sold oil to the paper mills. 678 00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:05,820 I knew all the owners. 679 00:34:05,855 --> 00:34:06,745 I had been in politics. 680 00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:07,850 I knew the people in the towns. 681 00:34:08,220 --> 00:34:11,340 I knew not one constituent of the paper mills 682 00:34:11,375 --> 00:34:13,490 wanted to have the river polluted. 683 00:34:13,980 --> 00:34:15,865 And yet here the river was being polluted. 684 00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:19,500 And it was more or less as if we created a doom machine. 685 00:34:19,740 --> 00:34:22,700 In our search for wealth and for prosperity 686 00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:24,660 we created something that�s going to destroy us. 687 00:34:32,060 --> 00:34:34,700 The traders who are involved in the market 688 00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:36,170 are not guys who are 689 00:34:36,380 --> 00:34:37,105 whose moral fibre 690 00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:38,940 when it comes to environmental conditions 691 00:34:39,060 --> 00:34:42,100 are going to be rattled at all 692 00:34:42,420 --> 00:34:44,780 They�re seeing dollars and they�re making money. 693 00:34:44,820 --> 00:34:46,860 Brokers don�t stay away from copper 694 00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:49,300 because it violates their religious beliefs 695 00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:52,140 or your environmental policies. 696 00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:53,580 No. 697 00:34:53,740 --> 00:34:55,060 There are times when you think about it 698 00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:58,505 but it's fleeting. 699 00:34:58,540 --> 00:35:00,280 It really is a fleeting moment. 700 00:35:00,315 --> 00:35:02,020 It's like yeah oh yeah yeah 701 00:35:02,380 --> 00:35:04,580 well a town is being polluted down there in Peru 702 00:35:04,780 --> 00:35:07,420 but hey this guy needs to buy some copper. 703 00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:10,985 I�m getting paid a commission too. 704 00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:13,930 Our information that we receive does not include anything 705 00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:15,305 about the environmental conditions 706 00:35:15,340 --> 00:35:17,300 because until the environmental conditions 707 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:20,540 become a commodity themselves or are being traded 708 00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:24,020 then obviously we will not have anything to do with that. 709 00:35:24,055 --> 00:35:27,010 It doesn�t come into our psyche at all. 710 00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:29,740 It's so far away and it's you hardly hear 711 00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:30,945 anything about it. 712 00:35:30,980 --> 00:35:32,730 I mean keep in mind there are things going on right in our 713 00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:36,050 backyards for god sake. 714 00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:37,665 We trade live hogs. 715 00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:39,980 I mean there are so many pigs in the state of Carolina 716 00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:41,690 and they�re polluting the rivers 717 00:35:42,020 --> 00:35:45,250 but how often do you find out about that? 718 00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:53,640 At Multinational Monitor we�ve put together a list 719 00:35:53,675 --> 00:35:56,610 of the top corporate criminals of the 1990s. 720 00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:00,260 We went back and looked at all the criminal fines that 721 00:36:00,295 --> 00:36:03,100 corporations had paid in the decade. 722 00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:07,815 Exxon pled guilty in connection to federal criminal charges 723 00:36:07,850 --> 00:36:12,130 with the Valdez spill and paid $125 million in criminal fines. 724 00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:13,020 General Electric 725 00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:14,580 was guilty of defrauding the federal government 726 00:36:14,615 --> 00:36:18,220 and paid $9.5 million in criminal fines. 727 00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:21,020 Chevron was guilty of environmental violations 728 00:36:21,260 --> 00:36:23,090 and paid $6.5 million in fines. 729 00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:25,380 Mitsubishi was guilty of anti-trust violations 730 00:36:25,580 --> 00:36:26,505 and paid $1.8 million in fines. 731 00:36:26,540 --> 00:36:29,260 IBM was guilty of illegal exports and paid. 732 00:36:29,740 --> 00:36:32,500 Eastman Kodak was guilty of environmental violations. 733 00:36:32,535 --> 00:36:34,140 Pfizer the drug manufacturer 734 00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:38,570 was guilty of antitrust violations. 735 00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:40,140 Odwalla was guilty of food and drug regulatory violations. 736 00:36:40,175 --> 00:36:42,370 Sears was guilty of... 737 00:36:42,460 --> 00:36:44,770 Damon Clinical Laboratories was guilty of... 738 00:36:44,860 --> 00:36:46,340 Blue Cross Blue Shield was guilty of 739 00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:04,020 Again and again we have the problem 740 00:37:04,380 --> 00:37:06,690 that whether you obey the law or not 741 00:37:06,780 --> 00:37:09,220 is a matter whether its cost effective. 742 00:37:09,255 --> 00:37:10,500 If the chance of getting caught 743 00:37:10,620 --> 00:37:15,060 and the penalties are less than it costs to comply 744 00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:17,780 people think of it as just a business decision. 745 00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:23,260 Drawing the metaphor of the early attempts to fly. 746 00:37:33,940 --> 00:37:37,900 Theban going off of a very high cliff in his airplane 747 00:37:37,935 --> 00:37:39,060 with the wings flapping 748 00:37:39,220 --> 00:37:41,020 and the guys flapping the wings 749 00:37:41,140 --> 00:37:42,945 and the wind is in his face 750 00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:45,020 and this poor fool thinks he�s flying 751 00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:47,495 but in fact he�s in freefall 752 00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:49,610 and he just doesn�t know it yet 753 00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:51,820 because the ground is so far away 754 00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:55,090 but of course the craft is doomed to crash. 755 00:37:59,300 --> 00:38:00,700 That�s the way our civilization is 756 00:38:00,740 --> 00:38:01,890 the very high cliff 757 00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:05,380 represents the virtually unlimited resources 758 00:38:05,415 --> 00:38:08,660 we seem to have when we began this journey. 759 00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:11,290 The craft isn�t flying 760 00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:15,060 because it's not built according to the laws of aerodynamics 761 00:38:15,095 --> 00:38:17,420 and is subject to the law of gravity. 762 00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:18,865 Civilization is not flying 763 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:22,780 because it's not built according to the laws of aerodynamics 764 00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:25,585 for civilizations that would fly. 765 00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:28,340 And of course the ground is still a long way away 766 00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:32,050 but some people have seen that ground rushing up 767 00:38:32,340 --> 00:38:34,170 sooner than the rest of us have. 768 00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:37,700 The visionaries have seen it and have told us its coming. 769 00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,345 There�s not a single scientific 770 00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:47,220 peer reviewed paper published in the last 25 years 771 00:38:47,255 --> 00:38:53,330 that would contradict this scenario 772 00:38:53,820 --> 00:38:56,460 Every living system of earth 773 00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:57,425 is in decline 774 00:38:57,460 --> 00:39:01,380 every life support system of earth is in decline 775 00:39:01,780 --> 00:39:04,625 and these together constitute the biosphere 776 00:39:04,660 --> 00:39:08,200 the biosphere that supports and nurtures all of life 777 00:39:08,235 --> 00:39:11,740 not just our life but perhaps 30 million other species 778 00:39:12,060 --> 00:39:14,050 that share this planet with us. 779 00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:22,580 The typical company of the 20th century 780 00:39:22,660 --> 00:39:25,810 extractive wasteful abusive linear 781 00:39:25,845 --> 00:39:27,530 in all of its processes 782 00:39:27,940 --> 00:39:29,260 taking from the earth 783 00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:32,025 making wasting sending its products 784 00:39:32,060 --> 00:39:34,370 back to the biosphere waste to a landfill... 785 00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:41,580 I myself was amazed to learn just how much stuff 786 00:39:41,660 --> 00:39:47,060 the earth has to produce through our extraction process 787 00:39:47,540 --> 00:39:50,300 to produce a dollar of revenue for our company. 788 00:39:50,335 --> 00:39:51,900 When I learnt I was flabbergasted. 789 00:39:59,940 --> 00:40:04,460 We are leaving a terrible legacy of poison 790 00:40:04,495 --> 00:40:08,677 and diminishment of the environment 791 00:40:08,712 --> 00:40:12,860 for our grandchildren�s grandchildren 792 00:40:13,340 --> 00:40:16,180 generations not yet born. 793 00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:19,060 Some people have called that intergeneration tyranny 794 00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:22,780 a form of taxation without representation 795 00:40:22,815 --> 00:40:26,460 levied by us on generations yet to be. 796 00:40:29,660 --> 00:40:31,940 It's the wrong thing to do. 797 00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:37,210 One of the questions that comes up periodically 798 00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:40,580 is to what extent could corporation be considered 799 00:40:40,660 --> 00:40:43,380 to be psychopathic. 800 00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:46,260 And if we look at a corporation as a legal person 801 00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:48,780 that it may not be that difficult to actually draw 802 00:40:48,815 --> 00:40:51,140 the transition between psychopathy in the individual 803 00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:53,860 to psychopathy in a corporation. 804 00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:55,505 We could go through the characteristics 805 00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:58,340 that define this particular disorder one by one 806 00:40:58,420 --> 00:41:01,330 and see how they might apply to corporations. 807 00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:11,700 They would have all the characteristics 808 00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:13,730 and in fact in many respects 809 00:41:14,220 --> 00:41:15,540 the corporation of that sort 810 00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:18,100 is the proto typical of a psychopath. 811 00:41:23,860 --> 00:41:26,500 If the dominant institution of our time has been created 812 00:41:26,740 --> 00:41:28,570 in the image of a psychopath 813 00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:31,620 who bears moral responsibility for its actions? 814 00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:36,700 Can a building have moral opinions? 815 00:41:37,180 --> 00:41:39,940 Can a building have social responsibility? 816 00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:42,420 If a building cant have social responsibility 817 00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:44,825 what does it mean to say a corporation can? 818 00:41:44,860 --> 00:41:49,730 A corporation is simply an artificial legal structure 819 00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:51,730 but the people who are engaged in it 820 00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:53,540 whether the stockholder 821 00:41:53,820 --> 00:41:55,810 whether the executives in it 822 00:41:55,845 --> 00:41:57,460 whether the employees 823 00:41:57,660 --> 00:41:59,490 they all have moral responsibilities. 824 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:05,700 It's a fair assumption that every human being 825 00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:06,675 real human beings 826 00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:07,610 flesh and blood ones 827 00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:08,940 not corporations 828 00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:12,250 but every flesh and blood human being is a moral person. 829 00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:14,370 You know we've got the same genes 830 00:42:14,380 --> 00:42:15,900 we're more or less the same 831 00:42:16,180 --> 00:42:19,250 but our nature 832 00:42:19,540 --> 00:42:20,465 the nature of humans 833 00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:22,090 allows all kinds of behaviour. 834 00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:25,355 I mean every one of us under some circumstances 835 00:42:25,390 --> 00:42:28,290 could be a gas chamber attendant and a saint. 836 00:42:32,980 --> 00:42:37,500 No job in my experience with Goodyear 837 00:42:37,660 --> 00:42:41,260 has been as frustrating as the CEO job. 838 00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:44,065 Because even though the perception is 839 00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:46,700 that you have absolute power to do whatever you want 840 00:42:46,735 --> 00:42:49,420 the reality is you don�t have that power 841 00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:52,640 sometimes if you had a really free hand 842 00:42:52,675 --> 00:42:55,300 if you really did what you wanted to do 843 00:42:55,335 --> 00:42:58,780 that suits your personal thoughts 844 00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:01,780 and your personal priorities you�d act differently. 845 00:43:01,815 --> 00:43:04,460 But as a CEO you cannot do that 846 00:43:04,780 --> 00:43:07,555 Layoffs have become so wide-spread 847 00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:10,330 that people tend to believe that 848 00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:12,610 CEOs make these decisions 849 00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:16,060 without any consideration to the human implications 850 00:43:16,095 --> 00:43:17,100 of their decisions 851 00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:21,610 It is never a decision that any CEO makes lightly. 852 00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:25,345 It is a tough decision. 853 00:43:25,380 --> 00:43:31,940 But it is the consequence of modern capitalism 854 00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:33,460 When you look at a corporation 855 00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:36,610 just like when you look at a slave owner 856 00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:38,810 you want to distinguish between the institution 857 00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:40,570 and the individual. 858 00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:45,130 So slavery for example or other forms of tyranny 859 00:43:45,165 --> 00:43:47,450 are inherently monstrous 860 00:43:47,460 --> 00:43:49,530 but the individuals participating in them 861 00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:52,060 may be the nicest guys you could imagine 862 00:43:52,260 --> 00:43:55,490 benevolent friendly nice to their children 863 00:43:55,620 --> 00:44:00,570 even nice to their slaves caring about other people. 864 00:44:00,605 --> 00:44:04,210 I mean as individuals they may be anything. 865 00:44:04,260 --> 00:44:06,410 In their institutional role they're monsters 866 00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:08,860 because the institution is monstrous. 867 00:44:09,060 --> 00:44:10,540 Then the same is true here. 868 00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:15,900 My wife and I some years ago had at our home 869 00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:17,995 a demonstration. 870 00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:19,730 25 people arrived 871 00:44:20,060 --> 00:44:22,530 they hung a big banner on the top of our house 872 00:44:22,565 --> 00:44:24,020 saying murderers 873 00:44:24,340 --> 00:44:26,730 they danced around outside with gasmasks and so on. 874 00:45:03,020 --> 00:45:05,440 As a public demonstration it wasn�t very effective 875 00:45:05,475 --> 00:45:07,860 due to the fact that this is a very rural area 876 00:45:07,895 --> 00:45:08,460 two people and a dog 877 00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:10,060 and it's not a very big house 878 00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:11,860 which I think rather surprised them 879 00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:14,130 but then we sat down and talked to them 880 00:45:14,165 --> 00:45:16,425 for a couple of hours 881 00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:17,610 and we gave them tea and coffee 882 00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:19,540 and they had lunch on our lawn. 883 00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:37,490 After about 20 minutes they said 884 00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:40,100 Well the problem is not you. It's Shell. 885 00:45:40,460 --> 00:45:42,980 And I said now wait a minute lets talk about 886 00:45:43,180 --> 00:45:44,540 what is Shell? 887 00:45:44,620 --> 00:45:46,025 It's made up of people like me. 888 00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:48,420 In the end what we found in that discussion 889 00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:50,340 were all the things they we're worried about 890 00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:51,900 I was worried about as well 891 00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:56,530 climate oppressive regimes human rights 892 00:45:56,620 --> 00:45:58,985 the big difference between us was 893 00:45:59,020 --> 00:46:01,900 I feel that I can actually make a contributions to this 894 00:46:01,935 --> 00:46:03,340 these people were frustrated 895 00:46:03,820 --> 00:46:06,540 because they felt that they had no nothing to do. 896 00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:09,540 So an individual CEO lets say 897 00:46:09,580 --> 00:46:12,300 may really care about the environment 898 00:46:12,335 --> 00:46:12,940 and in fact 899 00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:15,305 since they have such extraordinary resources 900 00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:17,780 they can even devote some of their resources to that 901 00:46:17,815 --> 00:46:20,650 without violating their responsibility 902 00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:24,490 to be totally inhuman 903 00:46:24,525 --> 00:46:25,370 which is why 904 00:46:25,420 --> 00:46:28,020 as the Moody-Stuarts serve tea to protestors 905 00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:32,090 Shell Nigeria can flare unrivalled amounts of gas 906 00:46:32,140 --> 00:46:36,260 making it of the worlds single worst sources of pollution. 907 00:46:36,340 --> 00:46:39,640 And all the professed concerns about the environment 908 00:46:39,675 --> 00:46:42,940 do not spare Ken Saro Wiwa and eight other activists 909 00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:46,740 from being hung for opposing Shells environment practices 910 00:46:46,775 --> 00:46:47,940 in the Niger Delta. 911 00:46:57,460 --> 00:46:58,740 The corporation is not a person 912 00:46:58,900 --> 00:46:59,820 it doesn�t think. 913 00:46:59,855 --> 00:47:00,740 People in it think 914 00:47:00,820 --> 00:47:05,340 and for them it is legitimate to create terminator technology. 915 00:47:05,420 --> 00:47:08,940 So that farmers are not able to save their seeds. 916 00:47:09,260 --> 00:47:13,380 Seeds that will destroy themselves 917 00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:15,650 through a suicide gene. 918 00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:20,940 Seeds that are designed to only produce crop in one season. 919 00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:23,425 You really need to have a brutal mind. 920 00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:27,770 It's a war against evolution to even think in those terms. 921 00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:32,010 But quite clearly profits are so much higher in their minds 922 00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:35,425 The profit motive which drove Klutzy 923 00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:38,060 to accomplish so much may bring out the evil 924 00:47:38,340 --> 00:47:43,740 as well as the good... 925 00:47:43,775 --> 00:47:45,180 Hellooo? 926 00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:49,625 My work spans all industry sectors 927 00:47:49,660 --> 00:47:52,180 I mean I virtually have worked for like Id say 928 00:47:52,380 --> 00:47:56,060 25 percent of the fortune 500. 929 00:47:56,220 --> 00:47:58,610 I�ve posed as an investment banker. 930 00:47:58,620 --> 00:48:01,930 I�ve posed as a venture capitalist. 931 00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:04,050 I�ve set up front companies 932 00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:09,010 that are executive recruiting firms. 933 00:48:09,180 --> 00:48:11,820 Essentially I�m a spy. 934 00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:16,620 I'll locate your employees 935 00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:18,770 and I will tell them that I�m calling 936 00:48:18,780 --> 00:48:20,500 from Acme Recruiting Agency 937 00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:23,010 and that I�ve got a job that pays them 938 00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:25,250 considerably more than what they�re paying. 939 00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:28,620 Would they mind meeting me for an interview? 940 00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:30,180 And when the executive shows up 941 00:48:30,215 --> 00:48:31,500 what he doesn�t realize is 942 00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:35,450 I�m actually debriefing him on behalf of a competitor. 943 00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:37,730 That there is no job and that the office 944 00:48:37,765 --> 00:48:39,220 that he�s at has been rented 945 00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:44,020 and the picture on my desk of my family is a phoney 946 00:48:44,220 --> 00:48:48,360 and it's all just a big elaborate ruse 947 00:48:48,395 --> 00:48:52,500 to glean competitive information from him. 948 00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:54,180 I don�t feel any guilt. 949 00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:58,450 It's you know what I mean you have to expect 950 00:48:58,620 --> 00:49:00,770 that guys like me are out there. 951 00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:05,780 We're predators. 952 00:49:12,060 --> 00:49:14,500 It's about competition it's about market share 953 00:49:14,940 --> 00:49:16,825 it's about being aggressive 954 00:49:16,860 --> 00:49:19,020 and it's about shareholder value. 955 00:49:19,055 --> 00:49:21,170 What is your stock at today? 956 00:49:21,660 --> 00:49:24,460 If you�re a CEO 957 00:49:24,540 --> 00:49:28,860 I mean do you think your shareholders really care 958 00:49:28,895 --> 00:49:31,460 whether you�re Billie Buttercup or not? 959 00:49:31,495 --> 00:49:33,010 Do you think that they really 960 00:49:33,180 --> 00:49:35,820 they would prefer you to be a nice guy? 961 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:39,020 Over having money in their pocket? 962 00:49:39,055 --> 00:49:40,500 I don�t think so. 963 00:49:40,860 --> 00:49:42,180 I think people want money. 964 00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:44,100 That�s the bottom line. 965 00:49:44,220 --> 00:49:46,580 The fact that most of these companies are run 966 00:49:46,620 --> 00:49:48,450 by white men white rich men 967 00:49:48,540 --> 00:49:50,660 means that they are out of touch 968 00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:52,660 with what the majority of the world is. 969 00:49:52,695 --> 00:49:54,692 Because the majority of this planet 970 00:49:54,727 --> 00:49:56,690 are not a bunch of rich white guys. 971 00:49:57,180 --> 00:49:58,580 They are people of other colours 972 00:49:58,620 --> 00:50:00,000 they are the majority. 973 00:50:00,035 --> 00:50:01,380 Women are the majority 974 00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:03,540 the poor and working poor 975 00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:06,180 make up the majority of this planet. 976 00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:08,665 So the decisions they make 977 00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:14,620 come from not the reality that exists in the world. 978 00:50:14,740 --> 00:50:15,970 How much is enough? 979 00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:17,380 How much is enough? 980 00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:19,340 If you are a billionaire 981 00:50:19,540 --> 00:50:20,940 would it be okay just to be a half a billionaire? 982 00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:23,780 Wouldn�t it be okay for your company 983 00:50:23,860 --> 00:50:25,140 to make a little less money... 984 00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:27,610 When I bought those two airplane tickets 985 00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:30,850 for Phil Knight and myself to fly to Indonesia 986 00:50:30,860 --> 00:50:34,620 I was prepared for him to say okay lets go. 987 00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:36,340 Oh no not a chance 988 00:50:36,620 --> 00:50:37,180 Not a chance. 989 00:50:37,215 --> 00:50:38,010 No? 990 00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:38,860 They�re transferable. 991 00:50:39,020 --> 00:50:40,090 I can change it to another day. 992 00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:41,315 And call me on it. 993 00:50:41,350 --> 00:50:42,170 Call my bluff. 994 00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:43,305 He�s a smart guy. 995 00:50:43,340 --> 00:50:44,660 I mean he�s not he�s not stupid. 996 00:50:44,780 --> 00:50:46,530 And so I thought okay get ready for this. 997 00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:49,460 Especially because you know I bought first-class tickets. 998 00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:52,500 So you know it would be a comfortable ride at least 999 00:50:52,535 --> 00:50:55,420 you know and of course he tells me then on camera. 1000 00:50:55,820 --> 00:50:58,050 I�ve never been to Indonesia. 1001 00:50:58,140 --> 00:51:00,130 And I�m like taken aback by this. 1002 00:51:00,165 --> 00:51:00,860 I cant believe it. 1003 00:51:01,020 --> 00:51:02,220 The guys the head of the company 1004 00:51:02,460 --> 00:51:04,690 he�s never walked through his own factories. 1005 00:51:04,860 --> 00:51:05,785 Oh you�ve got to go. 1006 00:51:05,820 --> 00:51:08,420 I cant go right now and the rest of this year. 1007 00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:10,780 When we were done filming he calls me up 1008 00:51:10,815 --> 00:51:12,850 a couple of weeks later and he goes 1009 00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:18,050 I may have a chance to go there with you to the factories. 1010 00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:24,100 I�m going to the Australian Open to watch some tennis. 1011 00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:28,770 and uh you know maybe I can get up there 1012 00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:31,865 or at least you can go there. 1013 00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:36,820 Would you like to go to the Australian open? 1014 00:51:36,855 --> 00:51:37,930 For 21years 1015 00:51:38,140 --> 00:51:40,820 I never gave a thought to what we were taking 1016 00:51:41,020 --> 00:51:44,090 from the earth or doing to the earth 1017 00:51:44,260 --> 00:51:46,170 in the making of our products. 1018 00:51:46,180 --> 00:51:49,505 And then in the summer of 1994 1019 00:51:49,540 --> 00:51:51,660 we began to hear questions from our customers 1020 00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:53,260 we had never heard before 1021 00:51:53,380 --> 00:51:56,340 What�s your company doing for the environment? 1022 00:51:56,375 --> 00:51:57,660 And we didn�t have answers. 1023 00:51:58,180 --> 00:52:00,490 The real answer was not very much. 1024 00:52:00,540 --> 00:52:03,220 And it really disturbed many of our people 1025 00:52:03,260 --> 00:52:05,505 not me so much as them 1026 00:52:05,540 --> 00:52:07,500 and a group in our research department 1027 00:52:07,940 --> 00:52:11,170 decided to convene a taskforce 1028 00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:14,020 and bring people from our businesses around the world 1029 00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:15,505 to come together to assess 1030 00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:18,140 our company�s world wide environment position 1031 00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:21,265 to begin to frame answers for those customers. 1032 00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:24,100 They asked me if I would come and speak to that group 1033 00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:26,065 and give them a kick off speech 1034 00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:30,570 and launch this new task force with an environmental vision 1035 00:52:30,605 --> 00:52:33,650 and I didn�t have an environmental vision 1036 00:52:33,780 --> 00:52:36,980 and I did not want to make that speech. 1037 00:52:37,140 --> 00:52:39,660 And at sort of the propitious moment 1038 00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:41,900 this book landed on my desk. 1039 00:52:41,940 --> 00:52:45,180 It was Paul Hawkins book The Ecology of Commerce 1040 00:52:45,215 --> 00:52:48,420 and I began to read The Ecology of Commerce, 1041 00:52:48,660 --> 00:52:50,890 really desperate for inspiration 1042 00:52:51,060 --> 00:52:53,820 and very quickly into that book 1043 00:52:53,940 --> 00:52:57,265 I found the phrase The death of birth. 1044 00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:01,090 It was E. O. Wilson�s expression for species extinction 1045 00:53:01,260 --> 00:53:03,145 The death of birth 1046 00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:06,810 and it was a point of a spear into my chest 1047 00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:09,375 and I read on and the spear went deeper 1048 00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:11,730 and it became an epiphanal experience 1049 00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:14,770 a total change of mindset for myself 1050 00:53:14,805 --> 00:53:18,460 and a change of paradigm. 1051 00:53:22,260 --> 00:53:24,300 Can any product be made sustainably? 1052 00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:27,220 Well not any and every product. 1053 00:53:27,420 --> 00:53:30,060 Can you make landmines sustainably? 1054 00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:32,665 Well I don�t think so. 1055 00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:35,850 There�s a more fundamental question than that 1056 00:53:35,980 --> 00:53:37,380 about landmines. 1057 00:53:37,420 --> 00:53:39,460 Some products ought not to be made at all. 1058 00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:43,625 Unless we can make carpets sustainably you know 1059 00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:47,500 perhaps we don�t have a place in a sustainable world 1060 00:53:47,980 --> 00:53:53,500 but neither does anybody else making products unsustainably. 1061 00:53:53,535 --> 00:53:58,420 One day early in this journey it dawned on me that 1062 00:53:58,540 --> 00:54:00,900 the way Id been running interface 1063 00:54:00,940 --> 00:54:02,530 is the way of the plunderer 1064 00:54:02,860 --> 00:54:06,185 plundering something that�s not mine 1065 00:54:06,220 --> 00:54:10,300 something that belongs to every creature on earth 1066 00:54:10,540 --> 00:54:11,940 and I said to myself 1067 00:54:11,980 --> 00:54:13,385 my goodness 1068 00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:16,810 the day must come when this is illegal 1069 00:54:16,845 --> 00:54:19,620 when plundering is not allowed 1070 00:54:20,140 --> 00:54:21,065 it must come. 1071 00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:24,300 So I said to myself my goodness 1072 00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:27,580 some day people like me will end up in jail. 1073 00:54:36,340 --> 00:54:38,300 I�ve got to be honest with you. 1074 00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:41,300 When the September 11th situation happened 1075 00:54:41,335 --> 00:54:44,370 I didn�t know that the and I must say 1076 00:54:44,420 --> 00:54:47,380 and I want to say this because its 1077 00:54:47,780 --> 00:54:50,580 I don�t want to take it lightly 1078 00:54:50,660 --> 00:54:52,300 it's not a light situation. 1079 00:54:52,580 --> 00:54:55,175 It's a devastating act. 1080 00:54:55,210 --> 00:54:57,770 It was really a bad thing 1081 00:54:58,340 --> 00:54:59,265 it's one of the worse things 1082 00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:01,690 I�ve seen in my lifetime you know. 1083 00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:04,010 But I will tell you and every trader will tell you 1084 00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:06,250 who was not in that building 1085 00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:09,860 and who was buying gold and who owned gold and silver 1086 00:55:09,895 --> 00:55:11,580 that when it happened 1087 00:55:11,780 --> 00:55:13,690 the first thing you thought about was 1088 00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:16,300 well how much is gold up? 1089 00:55:16,580 --> 00:55:18,880 The first thing that came to mind was 1090 00:55:18,915 --> 00:55:21,170 my god gold must be exploding. 1091 00:55:21,380 --> 00:55:24,930 Fortunately for us all our clients were in gold. 1092 00:55:25,220 --> 00:55:28,500 So when it went up they all doubled their money. 1093 00:55:28,580 --> 00:55:30,935 They�ve all doubled their money. 1094 00:55:30,970 --> 00:55:33,290 It was a blessing in disguise. 1095 00:55:33,340 --> 00:55:38,580 Devastating you know crushing heart shattering 1096 00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:40,505 but on the financial sense 1097 00:55:40,540 --> 00:55:42,180 for my clients that were in the market 1098 00:55:42,460 --> 00:55:43,865 they all made money. 1099 00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:46,890 Now I wasn�t looking for this type of help 1100 00:55:47,260 --> 00:55:50,585 but it happened. 1101 00:55:50,620 --> 00:55:55,460 When the US bombed Iraq back in 1991 1102 00:55:55,900 --> 00:56:01,220 the price of oil went from $13 to $40 a barrel 1103 00:56:01,255 --> 00:56:02,580 for Christ sake! 1104 00:56:02,620 --> 00:56:04,180 Now we couldn�t wait for the bombs 1105 00:56:04,540 --> 00:56:06,210 to start raining down on Saddam Hussein. 1106 00:56:11,740 --> 00:56:12,700 We were all excited. 1107 00:56:13,180 --> 00:56:15,780 We wanted Saddam to really create problems 1108 00:56:15,815 --> 00:56:16,940 Do whatever you have to do 1109 00:56:17,020 --> 00:56:18,500 set fire to some more oil wells 1110 00:56:18,940 --> 00:56:21,170 because the price is going to go higher. 1111 00:56:21,205 --> 00:56:21,900 Every broker was chanting that 1112 00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:23,700 there was not a broker that I know of 1113 00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:28,290 that wasn�t excited about that. 1114 00:56:28,540 --> 00:56:29,465 This was a disaster. 1115 00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:30,540 This was something that was you know 1116 00:56:30,940 --> 00:56:32,040 catastrophe happening. 1117 00:56:32,075 --> 00:56:33,130 Bombing wars 1118 00:56:35,740 --> 00:56:38,020 In devastation there is opportunity. 1119 00:56:43,060 --> 00:56:45,050 The pursuit of profit is an old story 1120 00:56:45,460 --> 00:56:47,660 but there was a time when many things were regarded 1121 00:56:47,860 --> 00:56:51,460 either as too sacred or too essential for the public good 1122 00:56:51,495 --> 00:56:54,100 to be considered business opportunities. 1123 00:56:54,580 --> 00:56:56,020 They were protected by tradition 1124 00:56:56,055 --> 00:56:57,250 and public regulation. 1125 00:57:05,140 --> 00:57:08,530 We can really begin to take a look at the emergence 1126 00:57:08,565 --> 00:57:10,730 of the modern age with the enclosure movements 1127 00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:13,020 of the great European commons in the fourteenth 1128 00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:15,100 fifteenth and sixteenth century. 1129 00:57:15,220 --> 00:57:18,530 Medieval life uh was a collectively lived life 1130 00:57:18,580 --> 00:57:20,810 It was a brutish nasty affair. 1131 00:57:20,980 --> 00:57:23,210 But there was a collective responsibility 1132 00:57:23,380 --> 00:57:24,945 People belonged to the land; 1133 00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:26,570 the land did not belong to the people. 1134 00:57:26,740 --> 00:57:28,890 And in this European world 1135 00:57:29,140 --> 00:57:31,420 people farmed the land in a collective way 1136 00:57:31,540 --> 00:57:33,100 because they saw it as a commons. 1137 00:57:33,135 --> 00:57:34,180 It belonged to God. 1138 00:57:34,420 --> 00:57:37,300 And then it was administered by the church 1139 00:57:37,335 --> 00:57:38,580 the aristocracy 1140 00:57:38,740 --> 00:57:43,130 and then the local manors as stewards of gods creation. 1141 00:57:43,165 --> 00:57:44,500 Beginning with Tudor England 1142 00:57:44,980 --> 00:57:46,385 we began to see a phenomenon emerge 1143 00:57:46,420 --> 00:57:49,300 and that is the enclosure of the great commons 1144 00:57:49,335 --> 00:57:50,490 by Parliamentary Acts in England 1145 00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:51,625 and then in Europe. 1146 00:57:51,660 --> 00:57:54,380 And so first we began to take the great landmasses 1147 00:57:54,540 --> 00:57:55,290 of the world 1148 00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:56,905 which were commons and shared 1149 00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:59,010 and we reduced those to private property. 1150 00:57:59,340 --> 00:58:01,940 Then we went after the oceans the great oceanic commons 1151 00:58:02,220 --> 00:58:04,580 and we created laws and regulations 1152 00:58:04,620 --> 00:58:05,545 that would allow countries 1153 00:58:05,580 --> 00:58:08,100 to claim a certain amount of water outside 1154 00:58:08,460 --> 00:58:10,615 their coastal limits for exploitation. 1155 00:58:10,650 --> 00:58:12,770 In this century we went after the air 1156 00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:14,420 and we divided it into air corridors 1157 00:58:14,540 --> 00:58:15,980 that could be bought and sold 1158 00:58:16,460 --> 00:58:18,400 for commercial traffic for airplanes. 1159 00:58:18,435 --> 00:58:20,340 And then of course the rest is history. 1160 00:58:31,820 --> 00:58:35,500 With deregulation privatization free trade 1161 00:58:35,660 --> 00:58:40,290 what we're seeing is yet another enclosure 1162 00:58:40,460 --> 00:58:45,010 and if you like private taking of the commons. 1163 00:58:45,045 --> 00:58:46,420 One of the things I find very interesting 1164 00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:48,420 in our current debates 1165 00:58:48,620 --> 00:58:51,465 is this concept of who creates wealth. 1166 00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:56,020 That wealth is only created when it's owned privately. 1167 00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:59,100 What would you call clean water fresh air 1168 00:58:59,180 --> 00:59:00,580 a safe environment? 1169 00:59:00,620 --> 00:59:02,690 Are they not a form of wealth? 1170 00:59:03,020 --> 00:59:06,330 And why does it only become wealth when some entity 1171 00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:10,090 puts a fence around it and declares it private property? 1172 00:59:10,220 --> 00:59:12,340 Well you know that�s not wealth creation. 1173 00:59:12,620 --> 00:59:14,500 That�s wealth usurpation. 1174 00:59:15,980 --> 00:59:16,780 Over the centuries 1175 00:59:16,940 --> 00:59:19,460 we have put more and more things in that public realm 1176 00:59:19,820 --> 00:59:21,140 and lately just lately 1177 00:59:21,260 --> 00:59:22,170 in the last 1178 00:59:22,220 --> 00:59:23,260 lets say in the last three or four decades 1179 00:59:23,295 --> 00:59:24,660 started pulling them out again. 1180 00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:26,850 So fire-fighters for instance. 1181 00:59:30,820 --> 00:59:32,970 Fire-fighters started as private companies 1182 00:59:38,620 --> 00:59:40,100 and if you didn�t have the medallion 1183 00:59:40,135 --> 00:59:42,210 of a given fire-fighter brigade 1184 00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:44,290 on your house and it was on fire 1185 00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:46,980 those fire-fighters would just ride on by 1186 00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:49,380 because you didn�t have a deal. 1187 00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:52,265 Well it gradually evolved a public trust 1188 00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:56,660 for the provision of safety on that very specific level. 1189 00:59:57,100 --> 00:59:59,780 This is important. 1190 00:59:59,980 --> 01:00:02,345 We should not go back from that and start saying 1191 01:00:02,380 --> 01:00:04,420 well you know why don�t we put that back in the market 1192 01:00:04,780 --> 01:00:05,660 and see what that does? 1193 01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:08,610 Maybe it will make it more efficient 1194 01:00:16,260 --> 01:00:20,140 Privatization does not mean you take a public institution 1195 01:00:20,175 --> 01:00:24,540 and give it to some nice person. 1196 01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:27,210 It means you take a public institution and give it 1197 01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:29,260 to an unaccountable tyranny. 1198 01:00:34,020 --> 01:00:37,080 Public institutions have many side benefits 1199 01:00:37,115 --> 01:00:40,140 For one thing they may purposely run at a loss. 1200 01:00:40,260 --> 01:00:42,300 They're not out for profit. 1201 01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:44,410 They may purposely run at a loss 1202 01:00:44,580 --> 01:00:46,300 because of the side benefits. 1203 01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:50,420 So for example if a public steel industry runs at a loss 1204 01:00:50,455 --> 01:00:53,250 it's providing cheap steel to other industries 1205 01:00:53,260 --> 01:00:56,770 maybe that�s a good thing. 1206 01:00:57,060 --> 01:01:00,020 Public institutions can have a counter cyclic property 1207 01:01:00,420 --> 01:01:03,570 So that means that they can maintain employment 1208 01:01:03,605 --> 01:01:05,260 in periods of recession 1209 01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:06,905 which increases demand 1210 01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:09,250 which helps you get out of recession. 1211 01:01:09,260 --> 01:01:11,650 Private companies cant do that in a recession 1212 01:01:12,140 --> 01:01:15,530 throw out the work force cause that�s the way you make money. 1213 01:01:15,565 --> 01:01:17,660 There are those who intend that one day everything 1214 01:01:17,740 --> 01:01:19,860 will be owned by somebody 1215 01:01:20,140 --> 01:01:22,505 and we're not just talking goods here. 1216 01:01:22,540 --> 01:01:25,610 We're talking human rights human services 1217 01:01:25,900 --> 01:01:27,785 essential services for life. 1218 01:01:27,820 --> 01:01:30,730 Education public health social assistance 1219 01:01:30,740 --> 01:01:34,060 pensions housing. 1220 01:01:34,540 --> 01:01:40,220 We're also talking about the survival of the planet. 1221 01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:43,980 The areas that we believe must be maintained 1222 01:01:44,140 --> 01:01:45,065 in the commons 1223 01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:48,460 or under common control or we will collectively die 1224 01:01:48,495 --> 01:01:51,140 Water and air. 1225 01:01:51,340 --> 01:01:54,650 Even in the case of air there�s been some progress 1226 01:01:54,700 --> 01:01:58,140 and that is the trading of pollution permits. 1227 01:01:58,175 --> 01:01:59,420 And here the idea is to say 1228 01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:02,570 look we cant avoid the dumping of carbon dioxide. 1229 01:02:02,860 --> 01:02:05,500 We cant avoid the dumping of sulphur oxides 1230 01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:07,500 at least we cant at the moment afford to stopping it 1231 01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:10,010 so we're dumping a certain amount of stuff 1232 01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:10,740 into the environment. 1233 01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:14,050 So we're going to say with the current tonnage 1234 01:02:14,340 --> 01:02:17,140 of sulphur oxides for example 1235 01:02:17,175 --> 01:02:19,940 we will say that is the limit. 1236 01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:22,700 And well create permits for that amount 1237 01:02:22,980 --> 01:02:25,700 and give them to the people who�ve been doing the polluting 1238 01:02:25,860 --> 01:02:28,980 and now we will permit them to be traded. 1239 01:02:29,015 --> 01:02:31,340 And so now there�s a price attached 1240 01:02:31,620 --> 01:02:34,945 to polluting the environment. 1241 01:02:34,980 --> 01:02:36,730 Now wouldn�t it be marvellous if we have one of those prices 1242 01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:38,620 for everything? 1243 01:02:39,780 --> 01:02:41,660 It sounds like you�re advocating private ownership 1244 01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:43,370 of every square inch of the planet. 1245 01:02:43,620 --> 01:02:44,420 Absolutely. 1246 01:02:44,580 --> 01:02:47,580 Every cubic foot of air water. 1247 01:02:47,615 --> 01:02:50,580 It sounds outlandish to say 1248 01:02:50,820 --> 01:02:52,570 we want to have the whole universe 1249 01:02:52,740 --> 01:02:54,100 the whole of the earth owned. 1250 01:02:54,180 --> 01:02:56,780 That doesn�t mean I want to have Joe Bloggs 1251 01:02:57,060 --> 01:02:58,860 owning this square foot. 1252 01:02:58,980 --> 01:03:04,010 But it means the interests that are involved in that stream 1253 01:03:04,045 --> 01:03:07,010 are owned by some group 1254 01:03:07,140 --> 01:03:09,740 or by some people who have an interest in maintaining it. 1255 01:03:10,020 --> 01:03:13,385 And that you know that is not such a loony idea. 1256 01:03:13,420 --> 01:03:16,820 It's in fact the solution to a lot of these problems. 1257 01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:30,250 Imagine a world in which one of the things 1258 01:03:30,420 --> 01:03:33,540 owned by a corporation was the song happy birthday. 1259 01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:36,625 In fact 1260 01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:39,180 an AOL/Time Warner subsidiary holds the copyright. 1261 01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:43,450 In the past 1262 01:03:43,740 --> 01:03:45,425 it has demanded over $10000 1263 01:03:45,460 --> 01:03:47,770 to allow you to hear anyone sing this popular song 1264 01:03:47,860 --> 01:03:50,820 in a film. 1265 01:03:51,220 --> 01:03:52,890 We didn�t pay. 1266 01:03:56,460 --> 01:03:58,660 We preferred to use the money to fly our crew to Boston 1267 01:03:58,820 --> 01:04:01,580 and Los Angeles to bring you the following story 1268 01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:15,690 Comparing the marketing of yesteryear 1269 01:04:15,725 --> 01:04:17,450 to the marketing of today 1270 01:04:17,460 --> 01:04:21,660 is like comparing a BB Gun to a smart bomb. 1271 01:04:21,780 --> 01:04:24,820 It's not the same as when I was a kid 1272 01:04:25,140 --> 01:04:26,545 or even when the people 1273 01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:28,780 who are young adults today were kids. 1274 01:04:32,140 --> 01:04:36,260 It's much more sophisticated and it's much more pervasive. 1275 01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:43,140 It's not that products themselves are bad or good. 1276 01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:46,850 It's the notion of manipulating children 1277 01:04:46,885 --> 01:04:49,570 into buying the products. 1278 01:04:51,460 --> 01:04:54,060 In 1998 Western International Media 1279 01:04:54,340 --> 01:04:57,220 Century City and Lieberman Research Worldwide 1280 01:04:57,255 --> 01:05:00,930 conducted a study on nagging. 1281 01:05:01,060 --> 01:05:03,580 We asked parents to keep a diary for three weeks 1282 01:05:03,615 --> 01:05:05,130 and to record every time 1283 01:05:05,380 --> 01:05:06,305 you could imagine 1284 01:05:06,340 --> 01:05:10,300 every time their child nagged them for a product 1285 01:05:10,660 --> 01:05:14,130 we asked them to record when where and why. 1286 01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:24,250 This study was not to help parents cope with nagging. 1287 01:05:24,420 --> 01:05:28,050 It was to help corporations help children nag 1288 01:05:28,140 --> 01:05:31,020 for their products more effectively. 1289 01:05:32,820 --> 01:05:36,050 Anywhere form 20 percent to 40 percent of purchases 1290 01:05:36,180 --> 01:05:37,585 would not have occurred 1291 01:05:37,620 --> 01:05:39,610 unless the child had nagged their parents. 1292 01:05:40,020 --> 01:05:42,330 That is we found for example 1293 01:05:42,420 --> 01:05:44,785 a quarter of all visits to theme parks 1294 01:05:44,820 --> 01:05:47,780 wouldn�t have occurred unless a child nagged their parents. 1295 01:05:48,180 --> 01:05:50,570 Four out of ten visits to places like Chuck E. Cheese 1296 01:05:50,580 --> 01:05:52,410 would not have occurred. 1297 01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:53,410 And any parent would understand that 1298 01:05:53,460 --> 01:05:54,820 you know when I think of Chuck E. Cheese 1299 01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:56,300 oh my goodness its noise. 1300 01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:00,610 And there�s so many kids. 1301 01:06:00,660 --> 01:06:01,890 Why would I want to spend two hours there? 1302 01:06:02,100 --> 01:06:04,940 But if the child nags enough you 're going to go 1303 01:06:04,980 --> 01:06:07,820 We saw the same thing with movies with home video 1304 01:06:07,860 --> 01:06:09,500 with fast food... 1305 01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:11,180 We do have to break through this barrier 1306 01:06:11,220 --> 01:06:14,370 where they do tell us or they say 1307 01:06:14,580 --> 01:06:17,180 they don�t like it when their kids nag. 1308 01:06:17,460 --> 01:06:20,660 Well that�s just a general attitude that they possess. 1309 01:06:20,695 --> 01:06:24,220 It doesn�t mean that they necessarily act upon it 1310 01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:26,780 a 100 percent of the time. 1311 01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:32,940 You can manipulate consumers into wanting 1312 01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:35,660 and therefore buying your products. 1313 01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:38,420 It's a game. 1314 01:06:39,540 --> 01:06:41,255 Children are not little adults; 1315 01:06:41,290 --> 01:06:42,970 their minds aren�t developed. 1316 01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:45,100 And what�s happening is that the marketers are playing 1317 01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:47,580 to their developmental vulnerabilities. 1318 01:06:50,580 --> 01:06:53,620 The advertising that children are exposed to today 1319 01:06:53,655 --> 01:06:56,420 is honed by psychologists; 1320 01:06:56,740 --> 01:06:58,625 it's enhanced by media technology 1321 01:06:58,660 --> 01:07:00,810 that nobody ever thought was possible. 1322 01:07:01,060 --> 01:07:05,260 The more insight you have about the consumer 1323 01:07:05,380 --> 01:07:09,930 the more creative you�ll be in your communication strategies. 1324 01:07:10,020 --> 01:07:11,770 So if that takes a psychologist 1325 01:07:11,940 --> 01:07:15,090 yeah we want one of those on staff. 1326 01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:18,740 I�m not saying it's wrong to make things for children. 1327 01:07:18,775 --> 01:07:20,460 I also think its important to distinguish 1328 01:07:20,580 --> 01:07:23,970 between psychologists who work on products for children 1329 01:07:24,420 --> 01:07:28,420 to help you know toy corporations make toys 1330 01:07:28,455 --> 01:07:29,780 that are developmentally appropriate. 1331 01:07:29,815 --> 01:07:30,740 I think that�s great 1332 01:07:31,140 --> 01:07:32,890 that�s different from selling the toys 1333 01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:34,540 directly to the children. 1334 01:07:34,575 --> 01:07:36,020 Initiative is huge. 1335 01:07:36,420 --> 01:07:38,780 I think in the U.S. we place 1336 01:07:38,815 --> 01:07:41,140 about $12 billion of media time. 1337 01:07:41,220 --> 01:07:43,500 So well put it on TV well put it in print 1338 01:07:43,620 --> 01:07:46,770 well put it up in outdoor well buy radio time; 1339 01:07:46,980 --> 01:07:50,940 so we're the biggest buyers of advertising time and space 1340 01:07:50,975 --> 01:07:53,970 in the U.S. and in the world. 1341 01:07:54,180 --> 01:07:57,730 One family cannot combat an industry that spends 1342 01:07:57,820 --> 01:08:00,890 $12 billion a year trying to get their children. 1343 01:08:01,180 --> 01:08:03,010 They cant do it. 1344 01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:05,465 They are tomorrows adult consumers 1345 01:08:05,500 --> 01:08:08,700 To start talking with them now build that relationship 1346 01:08:08,860 --> 01:08:09,785 when they�re younger... 1347 01:08:09,820 --> 01:08:11,890 And you�ve got them as an adult. 1348 01:08:14,620 --> 01:08:17,220 Somebody asked me you know Lucy is that ethical? 1349 01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:19,810 You know you�re essentially manipulating these children. 1350 01:08:19,900 --> 01:08:21,730 Well yeah is it ethical? 1351 01:08:21,820 --> 01:08:22,570 I don�t know. 1352 01:08:22,780 --> 01:08:26,900 But our role at initiative is to move products 1353 01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:28,895 And if we know you move products 1354 01:08:28,930 --> 01:08:30,690 with a certain creative execution 1355 01:08:30,940 --> 01:08:33,170 placed in a certain type of media vehicle 1356 01:08:33,205 --> 01:08:34,450 then we�ve done our job. 1357 01:08:36,940 --> 01:08:39,930 Every institution provides the people 1358 01:08:40,260 --> 01:08:42,860 who are members of it 1359 01:08:43,140 --> 01:08:45,900 with a social role to occupy 1360 01:08:46,020 --> 01:08:49,400 And typically institutions that are vibrant 1361 01:08:49,435 --> 01:08:52,780 and have a lot of power will specify that role 1362 01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:56,235 in some sense as a list of virtues. 1363 01:08:56,270 --> 01:08:59,250 It's true for churches for schools 1364 01:08:59,460 --> 01:09:02,610 for any institution that has power over people 1365 01:09:02,645 --> 01:09:04,900 and shapes them. 1366 01:09:05,420 --> 01:09:06,345 The corporation likewise. 1367 01:09:06,380 --> 01:09:08,850 It provides us with a list of virtues 1368 01:09:08,885 --> 01:09:09,820 a kind of social role 1369 01:09:10,220 --> 01:09:13,290 which is the good consumer. 1370 01:09:13,580 --> 01:09:16,420 Like the waters of the mighty ocean 1371 01:09:16,460 --> 01:09:18,345 people also represent tremendous force 1372 01:09:18,380 --> 01:09:21,100 the understanding of which is the greatest importance 1373 01:09:21,180 --> 01:09:23,540 to the American way of life. 1374 01:09:24,020 --> 01:09:26,740 This force is known as consumer power. 1375 01:09:28,340 --> 01:09:31,490 The goal for the corporations is to maximize profit 1376 01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:33,530 and market share. 1377 01:09:33,620 --> 01:09:36,220 And they also have a goal for their target 1378 01:09:36,255 --> 01:09:37,580 namely the population. 1379 01:09:37,940 --> 01:09:42,970 They have to be turned into completely mindless consumers 1380 01:09:43,220 --> 01:09:45,905 of goods that they do not want. 1381 01:09:45,940 --> 01:09:49,460 You have to develop what are called created wants 1382 01:09:49,780 --> 01:09:52,170 So you have to create wants. 1383 01:09:52,180 --> 01:09:53,770 You have to pose on people what's called 1384 01:09:53,780 --> 01:09:56,090 a philosophy of futility. 1385 01:09:56,380 --> 01:09:58,530 You have to focus them 1386 01:09:58,780 --> 01:10:01,060 on the insignificant things of life 1387 01:10:01,095 --> 01:10:03,330 like fashionable consumption. 1388 01:10:06,460 --> 01:10:09,530 I�m just basically quoting business literature. 1389 01:10:09,820 --> 01:10:11,490 And it makes perfect sense. 1390 01:10:11,740 --> 01:10:13,625 The ideal is to have individuals 1391 01:10:13,660 --> 01:10:16,570 who are totally disassociated from one another. 1392 01:10:17,020 --> 01:10:21,250 Who�s conception of themselves the sense of value 1393 01:10:21,340 --> 01:10:24,970 is just how many created wants can I satisfy? 1394 01:10:28,340 --> 01:10:30,570 These people are customers 1395 01:10:30,740 --> 01:10:34,660 because they are willing to trade money for widgets. 1396 01:10:34,695 --> 01:10:37,540 And all the customers take the widgets home 1397 01:10:37,575 --> 01:10:40,660 to all parts of the country. 1398 01:10:40,820 --> 01:10:42,890 Look at all the money the widget builder has 1399 01:10:43,220 --> 01:10:45,585 taken in from the sale of his widgets. 1400 01:10:45,620 --> 01:10:48,850 We have huge industries public relations industry 1401 01:10:48,980 --> 01:10:50,300 monstrous industry 1402 01:10:50,420 --> 01:10:53,300 advertising and so on which are designed 1403 01:10:53,335 --> 01:10:57,690 from infancy to try to mould people 1404 01:10:58,100 --> 01:11:00,250 into this desired pattern. 1405 01:11:04,340 --> 01:11:05,460 We saw Tiger Woods on TV 1406 01:11:05,780 --> 01:11:08,060 with a hat with a Nike logo on it 1407 01:11:08,180 --> 01:11:09,740 and we figured you know he probably gets 1408 01:11:09,775 --> 01:11:11,140 like millions of dollars 1409 01:11:11,540 --> 01:11:12,945 just to wear the hat on a press conference. 1410 01:11:12,980 --> 01:11:15,340 And therefore we figured we can do that for someone else. 1411 01:11:15,860 --> 01:11:18,940 And hopefully get money in time so we can go to school. 1412 01:11:18,975 --> 01:11:22,020 And that show we came up with being corporately sponsored. 1413 01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:23,330 We made our sponsor announcement 1414 01:11:23,540 --> 01:11:25,060 on the Today Show on June 18 1415 01:11:25,260 --> 01:11:27,060 ...were thrilled to be sponsored by First U.S.A... 1416 01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:29,300 We're thrilled to be working with first U.S.A as our corporate 1417 01:11:29,580 --> 01:11:32,780 sponsor and they�re covering our college tuition... 1418 01:11:32,940 --> 01:11:34,140 ...we found First U.S.A as our sponsor and we're proud 1419 01:11:34,175 --> 01:11:34,970 to be working with them... 1420 01:11:35,340 --> 01:11:37,170 ...our sponsor if First U.S.A 1421 01:11:37,260 --> 01:11:40,220 we're really thrilled to announce First U.S.A 1422 01:11:40,255 --> 01:11:41,180 as our sponsor... 1423 01:11:41,580 --> 01:11:43,860 ...we're thrilled to be working with First U.S.A... 1424 01:11:43,980 --> 01:11:45,180 and so we give First U.S.A 1425 01:11:45,215 --> 01:11:46,345 a good name in the media 1426 01:11:46,380 --> 01:11:47,820 and include them in our news stories 1427 01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:49,210 and through there 1428 01:11:49,260 --> 01:11:52,380 they get as much advertising as we can give them. 1429 01:11:52,620 --> 01:11:53,545 They�ll be conforming 1430 01:11:53,580 --> 01:11:55,780 not to the wishes of demanding parents 1431 01:11:55,980 --> 01:11:59,305 but to the wishes of an image conscious corporation... 1432 01:11:59,340 --> 01:12:02,300 They�re not just out there for the money and they�re just... 1433 01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:03,500 I mean they want to work with us 1434 01:12:03,660 --> 01:12:06,380 and be our friends and let us help them help us 1435 01:12:06,415 --> 01:12:07,180 and vice versa. 1436 01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:08,380 And we became walking billboards 1437 01:12:08,460 --> 01:12:09,860 to pay for our college tuition. 1438 01:12:11,340 --> 01:12:13,380 Cool Site of the day picked us as a cool site 1439 01:12:13,740 --> 01:12:17,050 and Yahoo picked us and we were in U.S.A Today. 1440 01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:19,820 When we did our photo shoot for people magazine 1441 01:12:19,900 --> 01:12:24,950 This is where we stood up on top. 1442 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,800 We stood up here and we smiled. 1443 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,365 We smiled and took the picture. 1444 01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,200 Our parents had war stories and stuff to tell us. 1445 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:33,720 We have our corporate sponsor story. 1446 01:12:33,755 --> 01:12:35,360 Exactly. 1447 01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,040 I have a lot of faith in the corporate world 1448 01:12:39,075 --> 01:12:40,230 because it's always going to be there 1449 01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:41,640 so you may as well have faith in it 1450 01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,480 because if you don�t then it's just not good. 1451 01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:47,235 Some of the best creative minds 1452 01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:48,590 are employed to assure our faith 1453 01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,750 in the corporate worldview. 1454 01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,960 They seduce us with corporate beguiling illusions. 1455 01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:55,920 Designed to divert our minds 1456 01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,000 and manufacture our consent. 1457 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,520 Corporations don�t advertise products particularly; 1458 01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:09,790 they�re advertising a way of life. 1459 01:13:09,825 --> 01:13:10,960 A way of thinking. 1460 01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:15,880 A story of who we are as people and how we got here and 1461 01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,720 you know what�s the source of our so called liberty 1462 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,070 and so called freedom. 1463 01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,920 You know so you have decades and decades and decades 1464 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:23,790 of propaganda and education 1465 01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,840 teaching us to think in a certain way. 1466 01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,965 When applied to the large corporation 1467 01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,470 it's that the corporation is was inevitable 1468 01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,120 that it's indispensable 1469 01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:34,830 that it is somehow remarkably efficient 1470 01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,710 and that it is responsible for the sort of 1471 01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,750 for progress and the good life. 1472 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,480 Perception management is a very interesting concept 1473 01:13:54,515 --> 01:13:56,680 It's basically a methodology 1474 01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,640 which helps us when we work with our clients 1475 01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:03,200 to go through a very systematic thoughtful process 1476 01:14:03,235 --> 01:14:06,640 in order to be able to help our clients identify 1477 01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,080 what the resources are that they have. 1478 01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,840 What the barriers to their success are 1479 01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:13,525 and how we can use communications 1480 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,320 to help them accomplish their objectives. 1481 01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,200 If Michael or Angelica came to me and said 1482 01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:34,190 Dad what do you do and why is it important? 1483 01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,400 My answer to that question is basically 1484 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,910 that I help corporations have a voice. 1485 01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,280 And I help corporations share the point of view 1486 01:14:47,315 --> 01:14:49,520 about how they feel about things. 1487 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:54,790 They�re selling themselves 1488 01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,040 they�re selling their domination 1489 01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:58,470 they�re selling their rule 1490 01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,240 and they�re creating an image for themselves 1491 01:15:00,275 --> 01:15:01,870 as just regular folks down the block. 1492 01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,000 Hi how y'all doing today? 1493 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,925 Good to see you. 1494 01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,760 How are you doing today? 1495 01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,920 Hi how you doing today? 1496 01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:13,560 We're from Pfizer. 1497 01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:14,560 We're your neighbours. 1498 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,000 You're in the new houses? 1499 01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,070 Are you in the new houses? 1500 01:15:18,105 --> 01:15:19,070 Ohhhhhh! 1501 01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:21,240 These are some neighbours. 1502 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,270 Can we say hello? 1503 01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,000 Can we say hello just for a minute? 1504 01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,230 So what do you think of the neighbourhood now? 1505 01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,280 It's all right it's good. 1506 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:31,630 Yeah I think it�s been getting better 1507 01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,440 over the last 20 years that I�ve been coming here. 1508 01:15:34,475 --> 01:15:35,165 Yeah 1509 01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:36,840 So I think together you know working with you 1510 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,350 and Pfizer and our other partnership 1511 01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,240 well make this a better place. 1512 01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:42,350 Okay. 1513 01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,760 Okay nice to see you Miss Fraser bye. 1514 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,070 There used to be a lot of crime at this subway. 1515 01:15:50,105 --> 01:15:52,520 One night as I was going home I got caught 1516 01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,000 and was almost mugged. 1517 01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:59,470 So we decided to make a change 1518 01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,240 to make this community better. 1519 01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,920 We're looking at turnstiles 1520 01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,350 that prevent fare beating. 1521 01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:13,285 It used to be you could just hop right over. 1522 01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,840 So Pfizer in collaboration with the transit authority 1523 01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,040 actually purchased these machines. 1524 01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,840 This is a talkback box that allows us to speak 1525 01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,405 to the Pfizer guard 1526 01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:34,070 which is approximately 500 yards from here. 1527 01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:35,920 Now I haven�t seen the Pfizer guard today 1528 01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:37,560 but I�m going to see if I can call him. 1529 01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,870 If he�s not I'll have to go wake him up. 1530 01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:40,790 Hello. 1531 01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:41,880 Hello. 1532 01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:42,950 Tom Kline speaking. 1533 01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,550 So I'm sure 1534 01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:48,920 before we're through hell call back. 1535 01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:50,565 But particularly on the off-hours 1536 01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,560 this allows a passenger to call directly 1537 01:16:54,595 --> 01:16:56,880 to the Pfizer desk for assistance. 1538 01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:01,060 And then the Pfizer guard calls the transit police 1539 01:17:01,095 --> 01:17:04,800 and the transit police respond to any crime situation. 1540 01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,600 As a result of all this crime is down in that station. 1541 01:17:07,635 --> 01:17:09,840 It's much safer for our community partners. 1542 01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:11,190 Thank you. 1543 01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:18,200 I'll press the other button just to be sure... 1544 01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:27,390 Well go over and talk to him personally. 1545 01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:37,830 It's tough you know they�re putting 1546 01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,040 some taxpayer shareholder money into helping 1547 01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,150 and who can say? 1548 01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:43,960 But that money should be going to the taxpayers 1549 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,840 to decide what to do. 1550 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,350 And while they�re doing those sorts of nice things 1551 01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,270 they�re also playing a role in lowering taxes for corporations 1552 01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,150 and lowering taxes for wealthy people 1553 01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,000 and reconfiguring public policy. 1554 01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,190 And what we don�t see is all that reconfiguring going on; 1555 01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:01,620 we don�t see all that vacuuming up of money 1556 01:18:01,655 --> 01:18:03,800 vacuuming out the insides of public processes 1557 01:18:03,835 --> 01:18:05,720 but we do see the nice fa�ade. 1558 01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:36,725 When I was researching the takeover of public space 1559 01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,910 when I started off I thought okay this is just advertising. 1560 01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:41,835 We�ve always had advertising. 1561 01:18:41,870 --> 01:18:43,550 It's just more advertising. 1562 01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,190 But what I started to understand 1563 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:46,325 and what I understand now 1564 01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:50,560 is that branding if not advertising its production. 1565 01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:51,880 The very successful corporations 1566 01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,960 the corporations of the future do not produce products. 1567 01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,040 They produced brand meaning. 1568 01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,560 The dissemination of the idea of themselves 1569 01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,165 is their act of production. 1570 01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,190 And the dissemination of the idea of themselves 1571 01:19:04,225 --> 01:19:08,560 is an enormously invasive project 1572 01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,280 so how do you make a brand idea? 1573 01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,920 Well a good place to start is by building 1574 01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:16,880 a three dimensional manifestation of your brand. 1575 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,200 For a company like Disney 1576 01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,280 it goes even further 1577 01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,360 where it's actually building a town Celebration Florida. 1578 01:19:23,395 --> 01:19:25,120 Currently there are about 5000 residents 1579 01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,120 who call Celebration home. 1580 01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,585 And there are about 1300 single-family homes 1581 01:19:30,620 --> 01:19:33,670 a town centre that�s a place where people gather. 1582 01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,030 It has about four or five restaurants 1583 01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,310 and about a dozen other shops. 1584 01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,400 Their inspiration their brand image 1585 01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,285 is the all American family. 1586 01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,520 And the sort of bygone American town. 1587 01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:11,190 Their brand driver is family magic and everything 1588 01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:16,190 that the company does is in and around those two words. 1589 01:20:16,225 --> 01:20:18,160 If you take that 1590 01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:21,590 a branded environment such as a Disney World 1591 01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,190 or a Disneyland is a logical extension of that brand. 1592 01:20:25,225 --> 01:20:28,492 Film animated film family oriented film; 1593 01:20:28,527 --> 01:20:31,760 it's a very logical extension of that. 1594 01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:33,160 As a business though 1595 01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,920 they also know that if they want to get 1596 01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,590 into other forms of entertainment 1597 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,200 that does not fit family magic 1598 01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:43,940 they do not brand it Disney. 1599 01:20:43,975 --> 01:20:46,400 If they want to get into adult 1600 01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:48,645 more serious type fare 1601 01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,960 when it comes to film they brand it Touchstone. 1602 01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,400 Disney brand speaks of reassurance 1603 01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,560 it speaks of tradition it speaks of quality. 1604 01:20:57,595 --> 01:20:58,910 And you can see that here 1605 01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,085 in this community that we�ve built. 1606 01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,240 And that�s where you see the truly imperialist 1607 01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,910 aspirations of branding which is about building 1608 01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,590 these privatized branded cocoons. 1609 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,230 Which maybe you start by shopping in 1610 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,755 and then you continue by holidaying in 1611 01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:19,110 but eventually why not just move in. 1612 01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,000 What happens if we wake up one day 1613 01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,320 and we find out that virtually all of our relationships 1614 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,990 that are mediated between us and our fellow human beings 1615 01:21:30,025 --> 01:21:31,685 are commercial? 1616 01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,760 We find out that virtually every relationship we have 1617 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,040 is a commercially arbitrated relationship 1618 01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,165 with our fellow human being? 1619 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,510 Can civilization survive on that narrow a definition 1620 01:21:42,545 --> 01:21:44,920 of how we interact with each other? 1621 01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,350 Wow what a dream... 1622 01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:56,230 I can give you the day in the life of a person 1623 01:21:56,440 --> 01:21:58,670 who might be the target of undercover marketing. 1624 01:21:58,840 --> 01:21:59,960 And I will tell you this 1625 01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,430 that some of these things are happening right now 1626 01:22:02,465 --> 01:22:03,240 around you. 1627 01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,280 So you walk out of your building in the morning 1628 01:22:05,315 --> 01:22:06,070 in some city 1629 01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:07,670 and you walk by the doorman and say 1630 01:22:07,705 --> 01:22:08,550 hey good morning! 1631 01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,520 And you notice there�s a bunch of boxes at his feet 1632 01:22:11,555 --> 01:22:14,040 from some on line or mail order retailer. 1633 01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,270 And there�s a bunch of boxes there with of course 1634 01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:17,830 big brand message on it. 1635 01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:19,440 You walk out and wonder 1636 01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:21,230 a lot of people must be ordering from that company. 1637 01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,870 Well what you don�t know is that we paid the doorman 1638 01:22:23,905 --> 01:22:24,630 to keep those empty boxes there. 1639 01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:26,565 You walk out into the street 1640 01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,590 and you hear some people having kind of a loud conversation 1641 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,325 about a musical act 1642 01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:33,920 and they are passing headphones back and forth 1643 01:22:33,955 --> 01:22:35,200 and going this is great! 1644 01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,440 Hey do you know that I heard this CD is really hard to find 1645 01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:45,760 but I heard they sell it at store X. 1646 01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:47,600 You hear that and you register it 1647 01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:49,160 and you might kind of pick up on that 1648 01:22:49,195 --> 01:22:50,600 and may be later on you�ll think 1649 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,030 hey I wonder what the hot act is bang 1650 01:22:52,065 --> 01:22:53,232 that might be in your head. 1651 01:22:53,267 --> 01:22:54,400 Now you get into your office 1652 01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,400 and there�s a certain brand of water in the refrigerator. 1653 01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,565 What is that? 1654 01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,510 You take it out you drink you slug it down it's there 1655 01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,510 not really thinking about it. 1656 01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:04,365 Wow! 1657 01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,120 That�s pretty good water. 1658 01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:07,640 Who knows? 1659 01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,080 Maybe someone placed the water there 1660 01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:10,125 You kind of go out for your lunch break 1661 01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,760 you�re sitting in the park and people are kind of out there 1662 01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:14,150 talking in the park and bang 1663 01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:15,590 all of a sudden you hear another message. 1664 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,400 By the time you go to bed you've probably received 1665 01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:25,990 eight or nine different undercover messages. 1666 01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:27,000 People are always thinking 1667 01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:28,360 well oh I know product placement. 1668 01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,080 That�s when they put stuff in movies! 1669 01:23:30,115 --> 01:23:31,360 Well yes kind of. 1670 01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,230 I mean that�s definitely traditional product placement. 1671 01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,440 But real life product placement is just that: 1672 01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:39,270 Placing stuff in movies but the movie�s actually your life 1673 01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:41,950 Well take a group of attainable 1674 01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:42,790 but still inspirational people 1675 01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:43,830 they are not supermodels 1676 01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,080 they are kind of people just like you 1677 01:23:46,115 --> 01:23:47,560 they�re doing something for us 1678 01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:49,870 whether they are having a certain kind of drink 1679 01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:51,200 or they are using a certain laundry detergent 1680 01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:52,640 whatever it may be. 1681 01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:56,840 They are kind of the roach motel if you will 1682 01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:58,600 People are going to come over to them 1683 01:23:58,635 --> 01:23:59,892 and they are going to give them 1684 01:23:59,927 --> 01:24:01,150 this little piece of brand bait. 1685 01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:02,990 It could be a sound bite of knowledge or a ritual. 1686 01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,920 Consumers will get that piece of roach bait 1687 01:24:05,955 --> 01:24:06,840 then they would take it. 1688 01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:07,925 Oh pretty cool! 1689 01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,560 Then they go out and spread it to their friends. 1690 01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:11,680 If you want to be critical 1691 01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:12,880 if you want to go through your life like that 1692 01:24:12,915 --> 01:24:14,000 sure be critical of every single person 1693 01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,190 that walks up to you. 1695 01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:18,439 But if they are showing you something that fits 1696 01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:19,628 and something that works 1697 01:24:19,919 --> 01:24:21,352 and something that makes your life better in some way 1698 01:24:21,359 --> 01:24:22,757 well then who cares. 1699 01:24:22,798 --> 01:24:25,436 We again just say thanks! 1700 01:24:32,395 --> 01:24:34,988 Today the job of building this nation geographically 1701 01:24:35,274 --> 01:24:36,713 is completed. 1702 01:24:36,714 --> 01:24:40,262 There are no new frontiers within or borders. 1703 01:24:40,552 --> 01:24:44,260 So to what new horizons can we look now? 1704 01:24:44,391 --> 01:24:46,665 Where are tomorrows opportunities? 1705 01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:50,628 What's ahead for you for your children? 1706 01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:54,018 The frontiers of the future are not on any map. 1707 01:24:54,468 --> 01:24:56,662 They're in the test tubes and laboratories 1708 01:24:56,663 --> 01:24:58,218 of the great industries. 1709 01:25:04,545 --> 01:25:06,739 The Chakrabarty case is one of the great judicial moments 1710 01:25:06,944 --> 01:25:09,342 in world history. 1711 01:25:09,343 --> 01:25:10,981 And the public was totally unaware 1712 01:25:11,262 --> 01:25:14,298 it was actually happening as a process was being engaged. 1713 01:25:14,299 --> 01:25:16,496 General Electric and Professor Chakrabarty 1714 01:25:17,021 --> 01:25:19,056 went to the patent office with a little microbe 1715 01:25:19,057 --> 01:25:20,378 that eats up oil spills. 1716 01:25:20,379 --> 01:25:23,609 They said they had modified this microbe in the laboratory 1717 01:25:23,738 --> 01:25:25,137 and therefore it was an invention. 1718 01:25:25,178 --> 01:25:26,496 The patent office and the U.S. Government 1719 01:25:26,617 --> 01:25:29,051 took a look at this quote invention; 1720 01:25:29,496 --> 01:25:31,415 they said no way. 1721 01:25:31,416 --> 01:25:33,326 The patent statures don't cover living things. 1722 01:25:33,815 --> 01:25:35,691 This is not an invention. 1723 01:25:35,734 --> 01:25:37,008 Turned down. 1724 01:25:37,174 --> 01:25:39,448 Then General Electric and Doctor Chakrabarty 1725 01:25:39,573 --> 01:25:42,451 appealed to the U.S. Customs Court of Appeal. 1726 01:25:42,452 --> 01:25:45,284 And to everyone's surprise by a three to two decision 1727 01:25:45,331 --> 01:25:47,322 they overrode the patent office. 1728 01:25:51,089 --> 01:25:52,886 They said this microbe looks more 1729 01:25:53,009 --> 01:25:54,707 like a detergent or a reagent 1730 01:25:54,708 --> 01:25:56,407 than a horse or a honeybee. 1731 01:25:56,808 --> 01:25:59,844 I laugh because they didn't understand basic biology; 1732 01:25:59,845 --> 01:26:01,039 it looked like a chemical to them. 1733 01:26:01,126 --> 01:26:04,162 Had it had an antenna or eyes or wings or legs 1734 01:26:04,485 --> 01:26:08,477 it would never have crossed their table and been patented. 1735 01:26:08,478 --> 01:26:10,279 Then the patent office appealed. 1736 01:26:10,723 --> 01:26:12,156 And what the public should realize now 1737 01:26:12,163 --> 01:26:13,754 is the patent office was very clear 1738 01:26:13,755 --> 01:26:16,069 that you cant patent life. 1739 01:26:16,481 --> 01:26:21,031 My organization provided the main amicus curiae brief 1740 01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,714 if you allow the patent on this microbe we argued 1741 01:26:23,715 --> 01:26:26,228 it means that without any congressional guidance 1742 01:26:26,478 --> 01:26:28,195 or public discussion 1743 01:26:28,397 --> 01:26:32,469 corporations will own the blueprints of life. 1744 01:26:32,716 --> 01:26:34,990 When they made the decision we lost by five to four 1745 01:26:35,115 --> 01:26:37,025 and Chief Justice Warren said 1746 01:26:37,034 --> 01:26:39,184 sure some of these are big issues 1747 01:26:39,434 --> 01:26:41,352 but we think this is a small decision. 1748 01:26:41,353 --> 01:26:43,627 Seven years later the U.S. Patent office issued 1749 01:26:43,752 --> 01:26:45,663 a one sentence decree 1750 01:26:45,672 --> 01:26:47,582 you can patent anything in the world that's alive 1751 01:26:47,591 --> 01:26:49,308 except a full birth human being. 1752 01:28:19,241 --> 01:28:22,596 We've all been hearing about the announcement 1753 01:28:22,597 --> 01:28:23,350 that we have mapped the human genome. 1754 01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,391 But what the public doesn't know 1755 01:28:26,759 --> 01:28:29,556 is now there's this great race by genomic companies 1756 01:28:29,638 --> 01:28:31,992 and biotech companies and life science companies 1757 01:28:32,037 --> 01:28:34,311 to find the treasure in the map. 1758 01:28:34,436 --> 01:28:35,266 The treasure are the individual genes 1759 01:28:35,396 --> 01:28:38,512 that make up the blueprint of the human race. 1760 01:28:38,755 --> 01:28:40,312 Every time they capture agene and isolate it 1761 01:28:40,313 --> 01:28:41,343 these biotech companies 1762 01:28:41,634 --> 01:28:43,430 they claim it as intellectual property. 1763 01:28:43,553 --> 01:28:44,852 The breast cancer gene 1764 01:28:44,853 --> 01:28:46,150 the cystic fibrosis gene 1765 01:28:46,432 --> 01:28:48,229 it goes on and on and on. 1766 01:28:48,351 --> 01:28:50,945 If this goes unchallenged in the world community 1767 01:28:51,071 --> 01:28:53,300 within less than 10 years 1768 01:28:53,470 --> 01:28:54,982 a handful of global companies will own 1769 01:28:54,983 --> 01:28:57,264 directly or through license 1770 01:28:57,309 --> 01:29:01,061 the actual genes that make up the evolution of our species. 1771 01:29:01,147 --> 01:29:03,297 And they're now beginning to patent the genomes 1772 01:29:03,547 --> 01:29:06,140 of every other creature on this planet. 1773 01:29:06,905 --> 01:29:09,300 In the age of biology the politics is going to sort out 1774 01:29:09,301 --> 01:29:11,695 between those who believe life first has intrinsic value 1775 01:29:11,704 --> 01:29:14,342 and therefore we should choose technologies 1776 01:29:14,463 --> 01:29:16,180 and commercial venues 1777 01:29:16,382 --> 01:29:17,337 that honour the intrinsic value... 1778 01:29:17,342 --> 01:29:18,218 And then we're going to have people who believe 1779 01:29:18,302 --> 01:29:22,088 look life is a simple utility. 1780 01:29:22,620 --> 01:29:23,579 It's commercial fare 1781 01:29:23,580 --> 01:29:24,695 and they will line up with the idea 1782 01:29:25,020 --> 01:29:27,374 to let the marketplace be the ultimate arbiter 1783 01:29:27,419 --> 01:29:29,136 of all of the age of biology. 1784 01:29:34,256 --> 01:29:36,292 In a world economy where information is filtered 1785 01:29:36,656 --> 01:29:38,566 by global media corporations 1786 01:29:38,575 --> 01:29:41,407 keenly attuned to their powerful advertisers 1787 01:29:41,454 --> 01:29:43,921 who will defend the publics right to know? 1788 01:29:44,333 --> 01:29:46,687 And what price must be paid to preserve our ability 1789 01:29:46,732 --> 01:29:48,370 to make informed choices? 1790 01:29:58,729 --> 01:30:01,322 What Fox Television told us was that we were just the people 1791 01:30:01,608 --> 01:30:03,106 to be the investigators. 1792 01:30:03,107 --> 01:30:04,486 Do any stories you want 1793 01:30:04,487 --> 01:30:06,442 ask tough questions and get answers. 1794 01:30:06,886 --> 01:30:07,845 So we thought 1795 01:30:07,846 --> 01:30:09,073 this is great this is a dream job. 1796 01:30:09,285 --> 01:30:10,400 Fantastic. 1797 01:30:10,725 --> 01:30:12,077 The very first thing they had us do 1798 01:30:12,164 --> 01:30:13,123 was not to research stories 1799 01:30:13,124 --> 01:30:14,795 but to shoot this promo which was... 1800 01:30:15,043 --> 01:30:16,271 The Investigators. 1801 01:30:18,402 --> 01:30:19,630 Uncovering the truth 1802 01:30:19,842 --> 01:30:22,560 getting results protecting you. 1803 01:30:22,721 --> 01:30:25,029 And they had a film crew a smoke machine 1804 01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,235 were silhouetted... 1805 01:30:27,519 --> 01:30:29,316 One of the first stories that Jane came up with 1806 01:30:29,438 --> 01:30:32,111 was the revelation that most of the milk 1807 01:30:32,112 --> 01:30:32,826 in the state of Florida 1808 01:30:33,077 --> 01:30:35,749 and throughout much of the country was adulterated 1809 01:30:35,956 --> 01:30:38,834 with the effects of bovine growth hormone 1810 01:30:38,835 --> 01:30:42,588 with Monsanto I didn't realize how effectively a corporation 1811 01:30:43,154 --> 01:30:45,411 could work to get something on the marketplace. 1812 01:30:45,412 --> 01:30:47,669 The levels of coordination they had to have. 1813 01:30:47,952 --> 01:30:50,420 They had to get university professors into the fold. 1814 01:30:50,421 --> 01:30:52,421 They had to get experts into the fold. 1815 01:30:52,751 --> 01:30:54,627 They had to get reporters into the fold 1816 01:30:54,670 --> 01:30:56,501 They had to get the public into the fold 1817 01:30:56,590 --> 01:30:58,425 and of course the FDA lets not leave them out. 1818 01:30:58,426 --> 01:31:00,260 They had to get the federal regulators convinced 1819 01:31:00,428 --> 01:31:02,862 that this was a fine and safe product 1820 01:31:02,863 --> 01:31:04,021 to get it onto the marketplace. 1821 01:31:04,267 --> 01:31:05,177 And they did that; 1822 01:31:05,227 --> 01:31:07,740 they did that very very well. 1823 01:31:07,906 --> 01:31:11,375 Posilac is a single most tested product in history 1824 01:31:11,376 --> 01:31:13,732 and is now available to you specifically. 1825 01:31:14,144 --> 01:31:16,418 So you can increase your profit potential. 1826 01:31:16,543 --> 01:31:18,976 The federal government basically rubber stamped it 1827 01:31:18,977 --> 01:31:21,012 before they put it on the marketplace. 1828 01:31:21,342 --> 01:31:23,536 The longest test they did for human toxicity 1829 01:31:23,741 --> 01:31:25,970 was 90 days on thirty rats. 1830 01:31:26,140 --> 01:31:29,927 And then either Monsanto misreported the results 1831 01:31:29,979 --> 01:31:30,937 to the FDA 1832 01:31:30,938 --> 01:31:32,974 or the FDA didn't bother to look in depth 1833 01:31:33,338 --> 01:31:35,612 at Monsanto's own studies. 1834 01:31:35,737 --> 01:31:38,409 The scientists within Health Canada looked very carefully 1835 01:31:38,410 --> 01:31:39,410 at bovine growth hormone 1836 01:31:39,576 --> 01:31:41,008 and came to very different conclusions 1837 01:31:41,495 --> 01:31:44,373 than the Food and Drug Administration in the U.S. Did 1838 01:31:44,374 --> 01:31:47,365 Monsanto's engineered growth hormone did not comply 1839 01:31:47,733 --> 01:31:49,171 with safety requirements. 1840 01:31:49,172 --> 01:31:51,083 It could be absorbed by the body 1841 01:31:51,092 --> 01:31:53,810 and therefore did have implications for human health. 1842 01:31:53,971 --> 01:31:56,484 Mysteriously that conclusion was deleted 1843 01:31:56,850 --> 01:32:00,159 from the final published version of their report... 1844 01:32:00,209 --> 01:32:01,960 I personally was very concerned 1845 01:32:02,128 --> 01:32:06,006 that there's a very serious problem of secrecy 1846 01:32:06,007 --> 01:32:07,762 conspiracy and things of that nature. 1847 01:32:08,006 --> 01:32:10,678 We have been pressured and coerced 1848 01:32:10,885 --> 01:32:13,398 to pass drugs of questionable safety 1849 01:32:13,604 --> 01:32:15,061 including RB ST. 1850 01:32:15,062 --> 01:32:16,518 We wrote the story. 1851 01:32:16,923 --> 01:32:18,914 We had it ready a week beforehand. 1852 01:32:18,915 --> 01:32:20,195 They bought ads 1853 01:32:20,282 --> 01:32:22,238 ...farmers in the milk industry say it's safe 1854 01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:24,396 but studies suggest a link to cancer. 1855 01:32:24,601 --> 01:32:26,238 Don't miss this special report from The Investigators... 1856 01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:29,511 That Friday night before the Monday the series was to begin 1857 01:32:29,759 --> 01:32:32,077 the fax machine spit out a letter 1858 01:32:32,078 --> 01:32:35,752 from this very high priced lawyer in New York 1859 01:32:35,917 --> 01:32:37,748 that Monsanto had hired. 1860 01:32:37,837 --> 01:32:39,667 It contained a lot of things that were just 1861 01:32:39,716 --> 01:32:40,865 off-the-wall false 1862 01:32:41,155 --> 01:32:42,594 Just demonstrably false 1863 01:32:42,595 --> 01:32:44,232 but if you didn't know the story 1864 01:32:44,514 --> 01:32:46,691 and you didn't know how wed gone about producing 1865 01:32:46,692 --> 01:32:48,867 it would have scared you as a broadcaster 1866 01:32:49,233 --> 01:32:51,029 or as a manager. 1867 01:32:51,152 --> 01:32:53,029 And they decided that they would pull the story 1868 01:32:53,072 --> 01:32:55,824 and they would just check it one more time. 1869 01:32:55,951 --> 01:32:58,145 But the bottom line was that there was no factual errors 1870 01:32:58,350 --> 01:32:59,308 in that story. 1871 01:32:59,309 --> 01:33:00,708 Both sides had been heard from 1872 01:33:01,229 --> 01:33:03,503 both sides had had an opportunity to speak. 1873 01:33:03,628 --> 01:33:04,587 One week later 1874 01:33:04,588 --> 01:33:06,339 Monsanto sent the second letter 1875 01:33:06,507 --> 01:33:08,622 and this was even more strongly worded. 1876 01:33:08,906 --> 01:33:12,420 And it said there will be dire consequences for Fox News 1877 01:33:12,421 --> 01:33:15,540 if the story airs in Florida. 1878 01:33:15,584 --> 01:33:17,540 And this time they freaked. 1879 01:33:17,983 --> 01:33:20,177 They were afraid of being sued 1880 01:33:20,178 --> 01:33:22,370 and losing advertising dollars. 1881 01:33:22,782 --> 01:33:25,477 And all of the stations owned by Rupert Murdoch. 1882 01:33:25,478 --> 01:33:28,172 And he owned more television stations than any 1883 01:33:28,540 --> 01:33:29,938 other group in America. 1884 01:33:29,979 --> 01:33:31,412 That's 22 television stations. 1885 01:33:31,419 --> 01:33:32,932 That's a lot of advertising dollars. 1886 01:33:33,338 --> 01:33:35,977 For Round Up Aspartame Nutra Sweet 1887 01:33:35,978 --> 01:33:37,295 and other products. 1888 01:33:37,457 --> 01:33:39,287 So we got into a battle. 1889 01:33:39,376 --> 01:33:43,084 And uh the first deal was the new general manager 1890 01:33:43,215 --> 01:33:44,853 his name's Dave and Dave is a salesman. 1891 01:33:45,135 --> 01:33:45,805 And you know he'd pump your hand 1892 01:33:46,094 --> 01:33:47,053 how ya doin how ya doin? 1893 01:33:47,054 --> 01:33:49,727 Called us upstairs to his office and he said 1894 01:33:49,728 --> 01:33:52,400 what would you say if I killed this piece? 1895 01:33:52,812 --> 01:33:54,730 What if it never ran? 1896 01:33:54,731 --> 01:33:56,323 And we said well you know 1897 01:33:56,651 --> 01:33:58,242 we wouldn't be very happy about that. 1898 01:33:58,490 --> 01:33:59,849 And he said well I could kill it you know 1899 01:33:59,850 --> 01:34:01,208 and we said yes of course you're the manager 1900 01:34:01,649 --> 01:34:03,764 you could kill it it would never air. 1901 01:34:03,765 --> 01:34:05,524 And he hemming and he showing. 1902 01:34:05,525 --> 01:34:06,681 He's back and he's forth. 1903 01:34:06,927 --> 01:34:08,280 And we couldn't figure out what is this all about 1904 01:34:08,367 --> 01:34:09,561 and finally he blurted out 1905 01:34:09,806 --> 01:34:12,922 look would you tell anybody? 1906 01:34:13,165 --> 01:34:15,474 You know I said I'm not going to lie for you. 1907 01:34:15,565 --> 01:34:17,395 And about a week later he calls us back to the office 1908 01:34:17,484 --> 01:34:19,997 and says okay wed like you to make these changes. 1909 01:34:19,998 --> 01:34:22,515 In fact you will make these changes. 1910 01:34:22,722 --> 01:34:24,394 We said well look let us show you the research 1911 01:34:24,642 --> 01:34:27,155 that we have that shows that this information 1912 01:34:27,156 --> 01:34:28,712 you want us to broadcast isn't true. 1913 01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:29,756 To which he replies. 1914 01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:31,796 I don't care about that. 1915 01:34:31,839 --> 01:34:33,192 I said pardon me? 1916 01:34:33,279 --> 01:34:35,109 And he said well that's what I have lawyers for 1917 01:34:35,158 --> 01:34:37,830 just write it the way the lawyers want it written. 1918 01:34:38,037 --> 01:34:39,550 I said you know this is news 1919 01:34:39,917 --> 01:34:40,875 this is important. 1920 01:34:40,876 --> 01:34:42,912 This is stuff people wanted to know. 1921 01:34:43,276 --> 01:34:45,186 And I'll never forget he didn't pause a beat 1922 01:34:45,187 --> 01:34:46,110 and he said 1923 01:34:46,434 --> 01:34:48,253 we just paid three billion dollars 1924 01:34:48,254 --> 01:34:50,071 for these television stations 1925 01:34:50,273 --> 01:34:53,025 Well tell you what the news is. 1926 01:34:53,152 --> 01:34:55,824 The news is what we say it is. 1927 01:34:56,031 --> 01:34:57,384 I said I'm not doing that. 1928 01:34:57,431 --> 01:34:58,625 And and he said 1929 01:34:58,870 --> 01:35:00,667 Well he said if you refuse to present this story 1930 01:35:00,790 --> 01:35:02,903 the way we think it should be presented 1931 01:35:02,904 --> 01:35:05,017 you'll be fired for insubordination. 1932 01:35:05,108 --> 01:35:07,827 I said I will go to the Federal Communications Commissions 1933 01:35:07,987 --> 01:35:12,218 and I will report that I was fired from my job by you 1934 01:35:12,306 --> 01:35:14,224 the licensee of these public airwaves 1935 01:35:14,225 --> 01:35:16,978 because I refused to lie to people on the air. 1936 01:35:17,104 --> 01:35:20,539 And it's thank you very much you'll hear from us right away. 1937 01:35:20,943 --> 01:35:24,093 Well 24 hours came and went and we didn't hear a thing. 1938 01:35:24,302 --> 01:35:26,054 And about a week later he calls us back 1939 01:35:26,055 --> 01:35:27,891 and now we've changed strategies. 1940 01:35:28,141 --> 01:35:31,018 How about if we pay you some money 1941 01:35:31,020 --> 01:35:34,136 and you just go away? 1942 01:35:34,379 --> 01:35:37,734 And I said how much money? 1943 01:35:37,738 --> 01:35:39,534 Because when somebody offers to bribe you like that 1944 01:35:39,657 --> 01:35:41,612 I always want to know if it might be worth it. 1945 01:35:42,056 --> 01:35:45,730 He was going to offer us the rest of our years salary 1946 01:35:45,775 --> 01:35:52,167 if we agreed not to talk about what Monsanto had done 1947 01:35:52,168 --> 01:35:55,561 To not talk about the Fox corporate response 1948 01:35:55,852 --> 01:35:57,290 in suppressing the story. 1949 01:35:57,291 --> 01:36:00,521 And to not talk about the story. 1950 01:36:00,650 --> 01:36:04,324 Not talk about BGH again anywhere. 1951 01:36:04,489 --> 01:36:07,082 Not take this story to another new organization. 1952 01:36:07,248 --> 01:36:09,556 Zip up. 1953 01:36:09,647 --> 01:36:11,797 I said you mean if I want to go to my daughter's PTA meetings 1954 01:36:12,047 --> 01:36:13,904 and explain what's in the school milk 1955 01:36:13,905 --> 01:36:15,762 at the school lunch program I cant? 1956 01:36:15,885 --> 01:36:18,352 No you can never speak about this anywhere. 1957 01:36:18,764 --> 01:36:21,596 Steve says okay write it up. 1958 01:36:21,643 --> 01:36:25,032 And I'm like what are you talking about write it up? 1959 01:36:25,033 --> 01:36:27,197 And I didn't say anything. 1960 01:36:27,401 --> 01:36:31,996 And Dave he wrote it up and he FedEx it to us 1961 01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:33,951 a couple of days later. 1962 01:36:34,119 --> 01:36:36,997 And he said are you going to sign? 1963 01:36:36,998 --> 01:36:40,069 And we said nah Dave we're not going to sign that. 1964 01:36:40,317 --> 01:36:42,512 And he said well send it back okay? 1965 01:36:42,716 --> 01:36:44,832 We said no Dave were not going to send that back. 1966 01:36:44,833 --> 01:36:47,991 It was okay we cant buy you out 1967 01:36:48,475 --> 01:36:49,433 we cant shut you up 1968 01:36:49,434 --> 01:36:52,630 lets get the story on the air in a way that we can all agree 1969 01:36:52,793 --> 01:36:53,782 it will go on the air. 1970 01:36:54,073 --> 01:36:57,269 And we started rewriting and editing with their lawyers. 1971 01:36:57,432 --> 01:36:59,830 During this eight month re-review process 1972 01:36:59,831 --> 01:37:04,141 I say jokingly they did things like for example they wanted 1973 01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:05,707 to take out the word cancer. 1974 01:37:06,069 --> 01:37:09,265 You don't have to identify what the potential problem is 1975 01:37:09,428 --> 01:37:12,737 just say human health implications. 1976 01:37:12,787 --> 01:37:15,380 Any criticism of Monsanto or its product 1977 01:37:15,466 --> 01:37:18,304 they either removed it or minimized it. 1978 01:37:18,305 --> 01:37:21,142 And it was very very clear I would say 1979 01:37:21,224 --> 01:37:23,817 almost every edit they made to the piece 1980 01:37:24,103 --> 01:37:25,252 that was the aim. 1981 01:37:25,543 --> 01:37:27,339 And we changed this and this and this. 1982 01:37:27,340 --> 01:37:28,495 And then that wasn't good enough 1983 01:37:28,901 --> 01:37:30,778 okay now change this and this. 1984 01:37:30,821 --> 01:37:32,572 Now change this and this. 1985 01:37:32,740 --> 01:37:35,572 Version after version after version. 1986 01:37:35,619 --> 01:37:38,212 83 times. 1987 01:37:38,498 --> 01:37:41,330 83 times is unheard of it doesn't happen 1988 01:37:41,377 --> 01:37:43,447 you shouldn't have to rewrite something 83 times 1989 01:37:43,448 --> 01:37:45,730 Obviously they didn't want to put the thing on the air 1990 01:37:46,176 --> 01:37:48,405 and they were trying to drive us crazy and get us to quit 1991 01:37:48,406 --> 01:37:50,528 or wait until the first window in our contract 1992 01:37:50,974 --> 01:37:52,373 so that they could fire us. 1993 01:37:52,414 --> 01:37:55,086 They in effect announced that they were going to fire us 1994 01:37:55,293 --> 01:37:57,681 for no cause. 1995 01:37:57,692 --> 01:37:59,131 Well this was a little much. 1996 01:37:59,132 --> 01:38:01,884 And Steve wrote a letter to the lawyer in Atlanta 1997 01:38:02,011 --> 01:38:05,002 whose name is Caroline Forest the Fox corporate lawyer. 1998 01:38:05,369 --> 01:38:09,884 And I said you know this isn't about being fired for no cause. 1999 01:38:10,168 --> 01:38:14,126 You're firing us because we refused to put on the air 2000 01:38:14,127 --> 01:38:16,361 something that we knew and demonstrated to be false 2001 01:38:16,406 --> 01:38:17,521 and misleading. 2002 01:38:17,845 --> 01:38:19,041 That's what this is about. 2003 01:38:19,042 --> 01:38:20,238 And because we put up a fight 2004 01:38:20,724 --> 01:38:22,237 because we stood up to this big corporation 2005 01:38:22,238 --> 01:38:23,483 and we stood up to your editors 2006 01:38:23,604 --> 01:38:24,752 and we stood up to your lawyers. 2007 01:38:25,043 --> 01:38:26,002 And we said to you 2008 01:38:26,003 --> 01:38:27,560 look there ought to be a principle higher 2009 01:38:27,922 --> 01:38:28,881 than just making money. 2010 01:38:28,882 --> 01:38:30,314 And she wrote a letter back and said 2011 01:38:30,321 --> 01:38:32,073 you are right that's exactly what it was. 2012 01:38:32,241 --> 01:38:34,071 You stood up to us on this story 2013 01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,434 and that's why we're letting you go. 2014 01:38:36,435 --> 01:38:38,794 Big mistake 2015 01:38:39,278 --> 01:38:41,633 That says retaliation. 2016 01:38:41,678 --> 01:38:44,271 You cant retaliate against employees 2017 01:38:44,272 --> 01:38:46,032 if they're standing up for something 2018 01:38:46,476 --> 01:38:47,915 that they believe is illegal 2019 01:38:47,916 --> 01:38:49,906 that they don't want to participate in. 2020 01:38:50,315 --> 01:38:51,713 So that gave us 2021 01:38:51,754 --> 01:38:53,904 the whistleblower stats that wanted 2022 01:38:54,154 --> 01:38:56,747 in the state of Florida to file a whistleblower claim 2023 01:38:56,748 --> 01:38:57,826 against our employer. 2024 01:38:59,432 --> 01:39:01,149 Two or three years later we got the trial. 2025 01:39:01,351 --> 01:39:07,219 Five weeks of testimony led to a jury verdict of $425000 2026 01:39:07,509 --> 01:39:08,828 in which the jury determined 2027 01:39:08,949 --> 01:39:10,859 that the story they pressured us to broadcast 2028 01:39:10,868 --> 01:39:13,620 the story we resisted telling was in fact false 2029 01:39:13,747 --> 01:39:15,339 distorted or slanted. 2030 01:39:18,546 --> 01:39:21,218 Fox News appealed the verdict. 2031 01:39:21,425 --> 01:39:23,892 Five major news media corporations filed briefs 2032 01:39:24,104 --> 01:39:26,458 with the court in support of Fox appeal. 2033 01:39:31,301 --> 01:39:33,735 You may recall that Jane Akre a former reporter here 2034 01:39:34,180 --> 01:39:36,819 sued Fox 13 in a whistleblower lawsuit 2035 01:39:37,060 --> 01:39:38,018 claiming that she was fired 2036 01:39:38,019 --> 01:39:40,417 for refusing to distort her report; 2037 01:39:40,418 --> 01:39:42,374 the Appeals Court today threw that case out 2038 01:39:42,818 --> 01:39:45,012 saying Ms. Akre had no whistleblower claim 2039 01:39:45,217 --> 01:39:48,095 against the station based on news distortion. 2040 01:39:48,096 --> 01:39:50,973 Fox 13 vice president and general manager Bob Linger 2041 01:39:50,975 --> 01:39:53,204 says the station has been completely 2042 01:39:53,374 --> 01:39:54,807 vindicated by the ruling... 2043 01:39:54,814 --> 01:39:57,725 What Fox neglected to report is this 2044 01:39:58,173 --> 01:40:00,687 Jane sued Fox under Florida's whistleblower statute 2045 01:40:00,688 --> 01:40:03,201 which protects those who try to prevent others 2046 01:40:03,451 --> 01:40:05,281 from breaking the law. 2047 01:40:06,810 --> 01:40:09,528 Buther Appeal Court judges found that falsifying news 2048 01:40:09,689 --> 01:40:12,087 isn't actually against the law. 2049 01:40:12,088 --> 01:40:14,760 So they denied Jane her whistleblower stats 2050 01:40:14,967 --> 01:40:19,323 overturned the case and withdrew her $425000 award. 2051 01:40:21,205 --> 01:40:25,641 Canada and Europe have upheld the ban on RBGH. 2052 01:40:26,004 --> 01:40:28,676 But it remains hidden in the milk supply 2053 01:40:28,677 --> 01:40:29,755 of the United States 2054 01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:38,155 The prospect that two thirds of the worlds population 2055 01:40:38,359 --> 01:40:41,953 will have no access to fresh drinking water by 2025 2056 01:40:42,198 --> 01:40:43,950 has provoked the initial confrontations 2057 01:40:44,118 --> 01:40:45,436 in a world wide battle 2058 01:40:45,557 --> 01:40:50,425 for control over the planets most basic resource. 2059 01:40:50,426 --> 01:40:52,232 When Bolivia sought to refinance 2060 01:40:52,275 --> 01:40:54,868 the public water services of its third largest city 2061 01:40:55,154 --> 01:40:59,942 the World Bank required privatization 2062 01:40:59,952 --> 01:41:02,671 which is how the Bechtel Corporation of San Francisco 2063 01:41:02,831 --> 01:41:06,425 gained control over all of Cochabamba's water 2064 01:41:06,426 --> 01:41:07,543 even that which fell from the sky. 2065 01:42:14,048 --> 01:42:15,276 The price this beleaguered country paid 2066 01:42:15,488 --> 01:42:16,761 for World Bank loans 2067 01:42:16,927 --> 01:42:19,679 was the privatization of the state oil industry 2068 01:42:19,686 --> 01:42:25,475 and its airline railroad electric and phone companies. 2069 01:42:25,924 --> 01:42:28,074 But the government failed to convince Bolivians 2070 01:42:28,075 --> 01:42:30,357 that water is a commodity like any other. 2071 01:43:06,951 --> 01:43:08,186 Bolivia was determined 2072 01:43:08,187 --> 01:43:09,421 to defend the corporations right 2073 01:43:09,830 --> 01:43:11,748 to charge families living on $2 a day 2074 01:43:11,749 --> 01:43:14,183 as much as one quarter of their income for water. 2075 01:43:16,828 --> 01:43:18,226 The greater the popular resistance 2076 01:43:18,267 --> 01:43:20,245 to the water privatization scheme 2077 01:43:20,246 --> 01:43:22,222 the more violent became the standoff. 2078 01:44:09,171 --> 01:44:11,684 Translational corporations have a long and dark history 2079 01:44:11,890 --> 01:44:13,880 of condoning tyrannical governments. 2080 01:44:15,728 --> 01:44:18,322 I s it narcissism that compels them to seek their reflection 2081 01:44:18,323 --> 01:44:20,721 in the regimented structures of fascist regimes? 2082 01:44:39,241 --> 01:44:41,117 There was an interesting connection 2083 01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:44,038 between the rise of fascism in Europe 2084 01:44:44,039 --> 01:44:48,828 and the consciousness of politically radical people 2085 01:44:49,118 --> 01:44:51,790 about corporate power. 2086 01:44:51,997 --> 01:44:54,464 Because there was are cognition 2087 01:44:54,465 --> 01:44:56,909 that fascism rose in Europe 2088 01:44:57,275 --> 01:44:59,868 with the help of enormous corporations. 2089 01:45:01,114 --> 01:45:04,025 Mussolini was greatly admired all across the spectrum 2090 01:45:04,026 --> 01:45:06,506 business loved him investment shot up. 2091 01:45:06,872 --> 01:45:08,310 Incidentally when Hitler came in 2092 01:45:08,311 --> 01:45:09,869 in Germany the same thing happened there 2093 01:45:10,231 --> 01:45:12,344 investment shot up in Germany. 2094 01:45:12,345 --> 01:45:14,458 He had the work force under control. 2095 01:45:14,549 --> 01:45:17,665 He was getting rid of dangerous left wing elements. 2096 01:45:17,908 --> 01:45:19,739 Investment opportunities were improving. 2097 01:45:19,828 --> 01:45:21,055 There was no problems. 2098 01:45:21,267 --> 01:45:23,416 These are wonderful countries. 2099 01:45:23,666 --> 01:45:25,497 I think one of the greatest untold stories 2100 01:45:25,546 --> 01:45:27,921 of the twentieth century 2101 01:45:27,922 --> 01:45:30,297 is the collusion between corporations 2102 01:45:30,824 --> 01:45:34,182 especially in America and Nazi Germany. 2103 01:45:34,183 --> 01:45:37,618 First in terms of how the corporations from America 2104 01:45:38,022 --> 01:45:40,659 helped to essentially rebuild Germany 2105 01:45:40,660 --> 01:45:43,296 and support the early Nazi regime. 2106 01:45:43,780 --> 01:45:46,168 And then when the war broke out 2107 01:45:46,179 --> 01:45:48,931 figured out a way to keep everything going. 2108 01:45:49,058 --> 01:45:51,935 So General Motors was able to keep Opal going 2109 01:45:51,937 --> 01:45:55,133 Ford was able to keep their thing going 2110 01:45:55,296 --> 01:45:57,525 and companies like Coca Cola they couldn't keep 2111 01:45:57,695 --> 01:45:59,014 the Coca Cola going 2112 01:45:59,135 --> 01:46:01,728 so what they did was they invented Fanta Orange 2113 01:46:02,014 --> 01:46:03,452 for the Germans 2114 01:46:03,453 --> 01:46:06,364 and that show Coke was able to keep 2115 01:46:06,365 --> 01:46:07,731 their profits coming in 2116 01:46:07,772 --> 01:46:09,250 to Coca Cola. 2117 01:46:09,691 --> 01:46:11,283 So when you drink Fanta Orange 2118 01:46:11,284 --> 01:46:12,802 that's the Nazi drink 2119 01:46:13,050 --> 01:46:16,837 that was created so that Coke could continue making money 2120 01:46:16,889 --> 01:46:19,322 while millions of people died. 2121 01:46:19,768 --> 01:46:22,440 When Hitler came to power in 1933 2122 01:46:22,441 --> 01:46:24,044 his goal was to dismantle 2123 01:46:24,486 --> 01:46:25,839 and destroy the Jewish community. 2124 01:46:25,926 --> 01:46:28,324 This was an enterprise so vast 2125 01:46:28,325 --> 01:46:30,918 that it required the resources of a computer. 2126 01:46:31,204 --> 01:46:33,797 But in 1933 there was no computer 2127 01:46:33,798 --> 01:46:34,922 What there was 2128 01:46:35,043 --> 01:46:36,998 was the IBM punch card system 2129 01:46:37,282 --> 01:46:40,717 which controlled and stored information 2130 01:46:41,121 --> 01:46:42,917 based upon the holes that were punched 2131 01:46:42,918 --> 01:46:45,596 in various rows and columns. 2132 01:46:45,919 --> 01:46:48,035 Naturally there was no off the shelf software 2133 01:46:48,319 --> 01:46:49,671 as there is today. 2134 01:46:49,718 --> 01:46:52,709 Each applicant was custom designed and an engineer 2135 01:46:52,710 --> 01:46:55,952 had to personally configure it. 2136 01:46:56,356 --> 01:47:01,030 Millions of people of all religions nationalities 2137 01:47:01,154 --> 01:47:03,268 and characteristics went through 2138 01:47:03,269 --> 01:47:05,382 the concentration camp system. 2139 01:47:05,473 --> 01:47:08,350 That's an extraordinary traffic management program 2140 01:47:08,832 --> 01:47:11,408 that required an IBM system 2141 01:47:11,409 --> 01:47:13,985 in every railroad direction 2142 01:47:14,350 --> 01:47:17,307 and an IBM system in every concentration camp. 2143 01:47:24,907 --> 01:47:27,659 Now this is a typical prisoner card. 2144 01:47:27,746 --> 01:47:28,939 There are little boxes 2145 01:47:29,185 --> 01:47:30,923 where all the information is to be punched in. 2146 01:47:30,924 --> 01:47:32,660 We compare this information to the code sheet 2147 01:47:33,024 --> 01:47:34,423 for concentration camps. 2148 01:47:34,464 --> 01:47:35,942 And here you see Auschwitz is one 2149 01:47:35,943 --> 01:47:37,256 Buchenwald is two 2150 01:47:37,742 --> 01:47:39,101 and Dachau is three. 2151 01:47:39,102 --> 01:47:41,296 Now what kinds of prisoners were they? 2152 01:47:41,501 --> 01:47:43,775 They could be a Jehovah's witness for two 2153 01:47:43,900 --> 01:47:47,369 a homosexual for three a communist for six 2154 01:47:47,379 --> 01:47:49,449 or a Jew for eight. 2155 01:47:49,579 --> 01:47:51,017 Now what was their stats? 2156 01:47:51,018 --> 01:47:54,214 One was released two was transferred 2157 01:47:54,257 --> 01:47:56,133 four was executed 2158 01:47:56,656 --> 01:47:58,673 five was suicide 2159 01:47:58,674 --> 01:48:00,689 and six. Code six 2160 01:48:00,975 --> 01:48:02,885 Sonderbahandlung 2161 01:48:02,894 --> 01:48:04,486 special treatment 2162 01:48:04,814 --> 01:48:08,566 meant the gas chamber or sometimes a bullet. 2163 01:48:08,652 --> 01:48:10,244 They would punch that number in 2164 01:48:10,245 --> 01:48:11,410 the material was tabulated 2165 01:48:11,811 --> 01:48:13,250 and the machines were set. 2166 01:48:13,251 --> 01:48:16,959 And of course the punch cards by the millions 2167 01:48:17,370 --> 01:48:18,688 had to be printed. 2168 01:48:18,809 --> 01:48:21,527 And they were printed exclusively by IBM 2169 01:48:21,688 --> 01:48:24,838 and the profits were recovered just after the war 2170 01:48:26,287 --> 01:48:29,119 I really do believe that particular accusation 2171 01:48:29,166 --> 01:48:33,715 has been fairly discredited as a serious accusation. 2172 01:48:33,964 --> 01:48:35,882 They used equipment 2173 01:48:35,883 --> 01:48:41,911 that is a fact but how they got it 2174 01:48:42,121 --> 01:48:44,157 how much co operation they got 2175 01:48:44,158 --> 01:48:45,473 and any kind of collusion 2176 01:48:45,480 --> 01:48:47,516 trying to connect dots that are not connected 2177 01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:51,075 I think that's the part that is discredited. 2178 01:48:52,678 --> 01:48:56,386 Generally you sell computers 2179 01:48:56,437 --> 01:48:58,188 and they are used in a variety of ways 2180 01:48:58,356 --> 01:49:00,266 and you always hope they are 2181 01:49:00,275 --> 01:49:02,869 using the more positive ways possible. 2182 01:49:03,155 --> 01:49:05,224 If you ever found out they're used in ways 2183 01:49:05,225 --> 01:49:07,223 that are not positive 2184 01:49:07,473 --> 01:49:11,306 then you would hope you would stop supporting that 2185 01:49:11,312 --> 01:49:13,506 but you know do you always know? 2186 01:49:13,711 --> 01:49:14,867 Can you always tell? 2187 01:49:14,868 --> 01:49:16,023 Can you always find out? 2188 01:49:19,949 --> 01:49:21,098 IBM would of course say 2189 01:49:21,309 --> 01:49:23,697 they had no control over its German subsidiaries. 2190 01:49:23,708 --> 01:49:26,380 But here on October 9th 1941 2191 01:49:26,587 --> 01:49:28,258 a letter is being written directly 2192 01:49:28,506 --> 01:49:31,503 to Thomas J. Watson with all sorts of detail 2193 01:49:31,504 --> 01:49:34,501 of the activity of the German subsidiary 2194 01:49:34,744 --> 01:49:36,973 none of these machines were sold 2195 01:49:37,143 --> 01:49:38,815 they were all leased by IBM. 2196 01:49:39,063 --> 01:49:42,078 They had to be serviced on site once a month 2197 01:49:42,079 --> 01:49:45,093 even if that was at a concentration camp. 2198 01:49:45,261 --> 01:49:49,377 This is a typical contract with IBM and the Third Reich. 2199 01:49:49,579 --> 01:49:52,457 Which was instituted in 1942. 2200 01:49:52,458 --> 01:49:53,971 It's not with the Dutch subsidiary 2201 01:49:54,378 --> 01:49:56,296 it's not with the German subsidiary. 2202 01:49:56,297 --> 01:49:59,686 It is with IBM corporation in New York. 2203 01:50:01,096 --> 01:50:06,122 You know as it happens I know that story. 2204 01:50:06,374 --> 01:50:09,968 I discussed it more than once with old Mr. Watson 2205 01:50:10,213 --> 01:50:12,611 and I was around at the time. 2206 01:50:12,612 --> 01:50:14,806 I'm not saying that Watson didn't know 2207 01:50:15,011 --> 01:50:17,888 that the German government used punch cards. 2208 01:50:17,890 --> 01:50:20,005 He probably did know 2209 01:50:20,289 --> 01:50:22,803 after all he had very few customers. 2210 01:50:22,804 --> 01:50:24,565 Watson didn't want to do it. 2211 01:50:24,568 --> 01:50:27,604 It was not because he thought it was immoral or not 2212 01:50:27,927 --> 01:50:29,279 but because Watson 2213 01:50:29,366 --> 01:50:31,561 with a very keen sense of public relations 2214 01:50:31,766 --> 01:50:34,074 thought it was risky. 2215 01:50:34,165 --> 01:50:36,898 It should not surprise us that corporate allegiance 2216 01:50:36,899 --> 01:50:39,632 to profits will trump their allegiance to any flag. 2217 01:50:39,923 --> 01:50:42,060 A recent U.S. Treasury Department report 2218 01:50:42,061 --> 01:50:44,199 revealed in one week alone 2219 01:50:44,721 --> 01:50:46,640 57 U.S. Corporations were fined 2220 01:50:46,641 --> 01:50:50,030 for trading with official enemies of the United States 2221 01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:54,153 including terrorists tyrants and despotic regimes. 2222 01:51:01,676 --> 01:51:04,428 ...you can roughly locate any community somewhere along 2223 01:51:04,555 --> 01:51:08,388 a scale running all the way from democracy to despotism. 2224 01:51:12,552 --> 01:51:15,907 This man makes it his job to study these things... 2225 01:51:15,911 --> 01:51:17,469 Well for one thing 2226 01:51:17,831 --> 01:51:19,749 avoid the comfortable idea 2227 01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:22,343 that the mere form of government can of itself 2228 01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:25,222 safeguard a nation against despotism. 2229 01:51:28,667 --> 01:51:31,544 For big business despotism was often a useful tool 2230 01:51:31,546 --> 01:51:35,379 for securing foreign markets and pursuing profits. 2231 01:51:35,385 --> 01:51:38,581 One of the U.S. Marine corps most highly decorated generals 2232 01:51:38,744 --> 01:51:41,735 Smedley Darlington Butler by his own account 2233 01:51:42,103 --> 01:51:45,412 helped pacify Mexico for American oil companies 2234 01:51:45,462 --> 01:51:48,214 Haiti and Cuba for National City Bank 2235 01:51:48,341 --> 01:51:50,979 Nicaragua for the Brown Brothers brokerage 2236 01:51:50,980 --> 01:51:53,617 the Dominican Republic for sugar interests 2237 01:51:54,099 --> 01:51:56,692 Honduras for U.S. Fruit companies 2238 01:51:56,693 --> 01:51:58,772 and China for standard oil. 2239 01:52:01,296 --> 01:52:03,491 General Butlers services were also in demand 2240 01:52:03,616 --> 01:52:06,334 in the United States in the 1930s 2241 01:52:06,335 --> 01:52:08,484 as president Franklin Delano Roosevelt 2242 01:52:08,485 --> 01:52:09,812 sought to relieve the misery 2243 01:52:10,173 --> 01:52:12,572 of the depression through public enterprise 2244 01:52:12,573 --> 01:52:14,767 and to offer regulation on corporate exploitation 2245 01:52:14,972 --> 01:52:16,689 and misdeeds. 2246 01:52:16,811 --> 01:52:19,404 More power to you President Roosevelt 2247 01:52:19,530 --> 01:52:21,407 The entire country's behind you. 2248 01:52:21,450 --> 01:52:23,565 Thrilled with hope and patriotism... 2249 01:52:25,288 --> 01:52:26,721 But the country was not entirely 2250 01:52:26,728 --> 01:52:28,167 behind the populist president. 2251 01:52:28,168 --> 01:52:29,725 Large parts of the corporate elite 2252 01:52:30,087 --> 01:52:33,283 despised what Roosevelt's new deal stood for. 2253 01:52:33,446 --> 01:52:35,834 And so in 1934 2254 01:52:35,845 --> 01:52:37,641 a group of conspirators sought to involve 2255 01:52:37,764 --> 01:52:39,994 General Butler in a treasonous plan. 2256 01:52:41,603 --> 01:52:43,522 ...The plan as outlined tome was to form an organization 2257 01:52:43,523 --> 01:52:46,673 of veterans to use as a bluff or as a club at least 2258 01:52:46,721 --> 01:52:49,030 to intimidate the government... 2259 01:52:49,121 --> 01:52:51,714 but the corporate cabal had picked the wrong man. 2260 01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,035 Butler was fed up being what he called 2261 01:52:54,036 --> 01:52:55,830 a gangster for capitalism. 2262 01:53:01,077 --> 01:53:03,874 ...I appeared before the Congressional Committee 2263 01:53:03,956 --> 01:53:06,833 the highest representation of the American people 2264 01:53:06,834 --> 01:53:09,710 under subpoena to tell what I knew of activities 2265 01:53:10,194 --> 01:53:12,661 which I believed might lead to an attempt to set up 2266 01:53:12,662 --> 01:53:14,981 a fascist dictatorship. 2267 01:53:15,392 --> 01:53:18,566 The upshot of the whole thing was that I was supposed 2268 01:53:18,567 --> 01:53:21,629 to lead an organization of 500000 men which would 2269 01:53:21,630 --> 01:53:23,665 be able to take over the functions of government... 2270 01:53:25,469 --> 01:53:27,459 A Congressional Committee ultimately found evidence 2271 01:53:27,460 --> 01:53:30,299 of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt. 2272 01:53:30,747 --> 01:53:33,145 According to Butler the conspiracy included 2273 01:53:33,146 --> 01:53:36,342 representatives of some of Americas top corporations 2274 01:53:36,505 --> 01:53:40,099 including J.P. Morgan Dupont and Goodyear tire. 2275 01:53:44,823 --> 01:53:47,336 As today's chairman of Goodyear knows 2276 01:53:47,702 --> 01:53:49,771 for corporations to dominate government 2277 01:53:49,772 --> 01:53:51,929 a coup is no longer necessary. 2278 01:53:53,460 --> 01:53:56,974 Corporations have gone global and by going global 2279 01:53:57,298 --> 01:54:01,848 the governments have lost some control over corporations 2280 01:54:02,097 --> 01:54:04,564 regardless of whether the corporation can be trusted 2281 01:54:04,565 --> 01:54:06,372 or can not be trusted 2282 01:54:06,415 --> 01:54:08,565 governments today do not have 2283 01:54:08,815 --> 01:54:12,291 over the corporations the power that they had 2284 01:54:12,292 --> 01:54:15,767 and the leverage they had 50 or 60 years ago. 2285 01:54:16,092 --> 01:54:17,525 And that's a major change. 2286 01:54:17,532 --> 01:54:20,170 So governments have become powerless 2287 01:54:20,411 --> 01:54:23,288 compared to what they were before. 2288 01:54:23,290 --> 01:54:26,838 Capitalism today commands the towering heights 2289 01:54:27,129 --> 01:54:30,040 and has displaced politics and politicians 2290 01:54:30,041 --> 01:54:31,520 as the new high priests 2291 01:54:31,807 --> 01:54:34,205 and reigning oligarchs of our system. 2292 01:54:34,206 --> 01:54:38,403 So capitalism and its principle protagonists and players 2293 01:54:38,485 --> 01:54:39,997 corporate CEOs 2294 01:54:40,404 --> 01:54:43,600 have been accorded unusual power and access. 2295 01:54:44,723 --> 01:54:46,599 This is not to deny the significance of government 2296 01:54:46,642 --> 01:54:47,597 and politicians 2297 01:54:48,002 --> 01:54:49,832 but these are the new high priests. 2298 01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:55,755 I was invited to Washington D.C. To attend 2299 01:54:55,756 --> 01:54:58,231 this meeting that was being put together 2300 01:54:58,798 --> 01:55:00,815 by the National Security Agency called 2301 01:55:00,816 --> 01:55:02,831 the Critical Thinking Consortium. 2302 01:55:03,117 --> 01:55:04,993 I remember standing there in this room 2303 01:55:05,036 --> 01:55:08,107 and looking over on one side of the room 2304 01:55:08,395 --> 01:55:12,751 and we had the CIA NSA DIA FBI 2305 01:55:12,752 --> 01:55:16,467 Customs Secret Service 2306 01:55:16,553 --> 01:55:18,543 and then on the other side of the room we had 2307 01:55:18,544 --> 01:55:23,305 Coca Cola Mobile Oil GTE and Kodak. 2308 01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:25,103 And I remember thinking 2309 01:55:25,190 --> 01:55:27,498 I am in the epicentre 2310 01:55:27,589 --> 01:55:29,742 of the intelligence industry right now. 2311 01:55:29,743 --> 01:55:31,897 I mean the line is not just blurring 2312 01:55:31,898 --> 01:55:35,018 it just not there any more. 2313 01:55:35,146 --> 01:55:36,135 And tome it 2314 01:55:36,586 --> 01:55:38,025 it spoke volumes as to how 2315 01:55:38,026 --> 01:55:42,893 industry and government were consulting with each other 2316 01:55:43,304 --> 01:55:45,134 and working with each other. 2317 01:55:57,979 --> 01:56:00,287 As 34 nations of the western hemisphere gathered 2318 01:56:00,338 --> 01:56:02,488 to draft a far reaching trade agreement 2319 01:56:02,538 --> 01:56:03,731 one that would lay the groundwork 2320 01:56:03,977 --> 01:56:07,127 to privatize every resource and service imaginable 2321 01:56:07,176 --> 01:56:08,211 thousands of people 2322 01:56:08,496 --> 01:56:10,406 from hundreds of grassroots organizations 2323 01:56:10,415 --> 01:56:11,927 joined to oppose it. 2324 01:56:13,774 --> 01:56:15,212 Canada's top business lobbyists 2325 01:56:15,213 --> 01:56:17,090 and its chief trade representative 2326 01:56:17,613 --> 01:56:19,967 discount the dissent in the streets. 2327 01:56:20,012 --> 01:56:23,128 For them the Americas 800 million citizens 2328 01:56:23,129 --> 01:56:24,562 speak with one voice. 2329 01:57:49,343 --> 01:57:51,412 I'm inside and this is all outside. 2330 01:57:51,742 --> 01:57:54,175 That's the way it is. 2331 01:58:00,339 --> 01:58:02,568 What do you think when you look at this? 2332 01:58:02,738 --> 01:58:06,366 Well I mean I think that it's too bad 2333 01:58:06,577 --> 01:58:08,771 that this has this has erupted. 2334 01:58:46,244 --> 01:58:48,438 Does the ranted to be some measure of accountability? 2335 01:58:48,643 --> 01:58:50,554 Yes 2336 01:58:50,563 --> 01:58:52,837 And I think the business community recognizes that. 2337 01:58:52,962 --> 01:58:55,270 But that accountability is in the marketplace 2338 01:58:55,361 --> 01:58:57,078 it's with their shareholders. 2339 01:58:57,280 --> 01:58:59,475 It's with the public perception and the public image 2340 01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:02,352 that they are projecting. 2341 01:59:02,359 --> 01:59:06,350 If companies don't do what they should be doing 2342 01:59:06,677 --> 01:59:08,190 they're going to be punished in the marketplace 2343 01:59:08,191 --> 01:59:09,913 and that's not what any company wants. 2344 01:59:12,915 --> 01:59:14,314 There's a new market. 2345 01:59:14,355 --> 01:59:15,793 These guys and gals aren't out there 2346 01:59:15,794 --> 01:59:18,830 because governments putting gun to their head. 2347 01:59:19,153 --> 01:59:21,871 Or because they've suddenly read a book 2348 01:59:22,032 --> 01:59:26,070 about transcendental meditation and global morality. 2349 01:59:27,790 --> 01:59:29,462 My inner voice says honour my inner child 2350 01:59:29,710 --> 01:59:31,226 Mine says love everyone 2351 01:59:31,227 --> 01:59:32,744 My inner voice says 2352 01:59:33,069 --> 01:59:35,104 Id like a Wendy's Bacon mushroom melt 2353 01:59:35,105 --> 01:59:37,421 They're there because they understand. 2354 01:59:37,867 --> 01:59:40,016 The market requires them to be there. 2355 01:59:40,266 --> 01:59:42,734 That's their competitive advantage to be there. 2356 01:59:42,735 --> 01:59:44,337 I'm listening to your concerns. 2357 01:59:44,585 --> 01:59:45,938 I worry about climate. 2358 01:59:46,024 --> 01:59:47,457 I worry about pollution. 2359 01:59:47,464 --> 01:59:49,340 I do not have all the answers to this 2360 01:59:49,383 --> 01:59:52,621 but we are prepared to work with you with society 2361 01:59:52,622 --> 01:59:55,860 with NGOs with governments to address it. 2362 01:59:56,101 --> 01:59:59,854 So you're build the trust so that you come back to 2363 02:00:00,300 --> 02:00:02,218 a new kind of trust 2364 02:00:02,219 --> 02:00:05,016 and then the ultimate goal is then 2365 02:00:05,098 --> 02:00:07,816 to become the corporation of choice. 2366 02:00:07,977 --> 02:00:10,570 He believes that almost half our energy can one day come 2367 02:00:10,571 --> 02:00:12,526 from renewable sources. 2368 02:00:12,776 --> 02:00:16,324 He's been called a dreamer and a crank. 2369 02:00:16,415 --> 02:00:19,212 And I've been called a hippie. 2370 02:00:19,294 --> 02:00:25,208 And more recently a project manager for Shell. 2371 02:00:25,412 --> 02:00:28,721 I ask myself often times why 2372 02:00:28,771 --> 02:00:31,045 so many companies subscribe to 2373 02:00:31,170 --> 02:00:35,320 corporate social responsibility. 2374 02:00:35,488 --> 02:00:38,946 I'm not sure it's because they necessarily 2375 02:00:38,947 --> 02:00:42,405 want to be responsible in an ultimate way 2376 02:00:42,566 --> 02:00:44,396 but because they want to be 2377 02:00:44,485 --> 02:00:48,762 identified and seen to be responsible. 2378 02:00:48,804 --> 02:00:50,998 But who am I to judge? 2379 02:00:51,203 --> 02:00:53,034 Who am I to judge? 2380 02:00:53,123 --> 02:00:55,841 It's better that they belong than they not belong. 2381 02:00:56,002 --> 02:00:59,357 It's better that they make some public profession 2382 02:00:59,361 --> 02:01:02,432 than the opposite. 2383 02:01:02,719 --> 02:01:05,630 Social responsibility isn't a deep shift 2384 02:01:05,631 --> 02:01:10,876 because its a voluntary tactic. 2385 02:01:10,877 --> 02:01:11,786 A tactic 2386 02:01:12,316 --> 02:01:18,073 a reaction to a certain market at this point. 2387 02:01:18,074 --> 02:01:21,509 And as the corporation reads the market differently 2388 02:01:21,913 --> 02:01:23,352 it can go back. 2389 02:01:23,353 --> 02:01:24,791 One day you see Bambi 2390 02:01:24,792 --> 02:01:26,908 next day you see Godzilla. 2391 02:01:28,631 --> 02:01:30,382 How do you define socially responsible? 2392 02:01:30,550 --> 02:01:32,541 What business is it of the corporation to decide 2393 02:01:32,950 --> 02:01:35,258 what's socially responsible. 2394 02:01:35,349 --> 02:01:36,747 That isn't their expertise 2395 02:01:36,788 --> 02:01:41,099 that isn't what their stockholders ask them to do. 2396 02:01:41,107 --> 02:01:44,018 So I think they're going out of their range 2397 02:01:44,019 --> 02:01:47,660 and its certainly is not democratic. 2398 02:01:47,825 --> 02:01:49,416 I don't really care 2399 02:01:49,744 --> 02:01:51,938 what the chairman of General Motors thinks 2400 02:01:52,143 --> 02:01:54,062 is an appropriate level of emissions 2401 02:01:54,063 --> 02:01:57,815 to come out the tailpipe of General Motors automobiles. 2402 02:01:57,901 --> 02:01:59,300 He may have a lot of scientists 2403 02:01:59,341 --> 02:02:00,898 he may be a very good person 2404 02:02:01,260 --> 02:02:02,699 but I didn't elect him to do anything. 2405 02:02:02,700 --> 02:02:04,769 He doesn't have any power to speak for me. 2406 02:02:05,099 --> 02:02:07,771 These are decisions that must be made by government 2407 02:02:07,978 --> 02:02:09,809 and not by corporations. 2408 02:02:10,577 --> 02:02:12,016 You take this to its logical conclusion. 2409 02:02:12,017 --> 02:02:16,725 One would have an image that we are in fact at this 2410 02:02:16,815 --> 02:02:18,726 the end of the world this nigh. 2411 02:02:19,214 --> 02:02:22,171 And we are all completely brainwashed 2412 02:02:22,172 --> 02:02:24,687 and there is no space left. 2413 02:02:24,973 --> 02:02:26,963 And I don't believe we're there yet. 2414 02:02:29,291 --> 02:02:30,963 And I think it's really important 2415 02:02:30,964 --> 02:02:32,209 that we don't overstate the case 2416 02:02:32,650 --> 02:02:34,560 and that we admit that there are cracks 2417 02:02:34,569 --> 02:02:36,764 and fissures in all of these corporate structures. 2418 02:02:36,849 --> 02:02:39,601 And sometimes when a corporation is concentrating 2419 02:02:39,728 --> 02:02:42,126 on one particular project they look the other way 2420 02:02:42,127 --> 02:02:44,276 and all kinds of interesting things happen in the corner. 2421 02:02:46,446 --> 02:02:49,482 It is the case in every period of history where injustice 2422 02:02:49,804 --> 02:02:52,602 based on falsehoods 2423 02:02:52,683 --> 02:02:56,595 based on taking away the right and freedoms of people 2424 02:02:56,596 --> 02:02:58,672 to live and survive with dignity 2425 02:02:58,722 --> 02:03:01,679 that eventually when you call a bluff the tables turn. 2426 02:03:16,476 --> 02:03:21,070 Ultimately capital puts its foot down somewhere. 2427 02:03:21,114 --> 02:03:23,547 And anywhere it puts its foot down 2428 02:03:23,548 --> 02:03:26,390 it can be held accountable. 2429 02:03:29,272 --> 02:03:32,343 Originally Wal-Mart and Kathy Lee Gifford had said 2430 02:03:32,344 --> 02:03:34,584 why should we believe you that children work in this factory? 2431 02:03:35,030 --> 02:03:37,543 What we didn't tell them was that Wendy Dias 2432 02:03:37,709 --> 02:03:39,061 in the centre of the picture was on a plane 2433 02:03:39,148 --> 02:03:40,103 to the United States. 2434 02:03:40,108 --> 02:03:41,067 This is Wendy Dias. 2435 02:03:41,068 --> 02:03:42,261 She comes to the United States. 2436 02:03:42,507 --> 02:03:43,906 She's unstoppable. 2437 02:03:43,907 --> 02:03:46,136 Congress heard testimony today from children who 2438 02:03:46,306 --> 02:03:49,741 testified they were exploited by sweatshops overseas. 2439 02:03:50,145 --> 02:03:52,180 Kathy Lee Gifford apologized to Wendy Dias 2440 02:03:52,181 --> 02:03:53,543 It was the most amazing thing Id seen. 2441 02:03:53,983 --> 02:03:57,099 This powerful celebrity leans over and says 2442 02:03:57,100 --> 02:03:59,217 Wendy please believe me 2443 02:03:59,742 --> 02:04:02,096 I didn't know these conditions existed. 2444 02:04:02,141 --> 02:04:03,778 And now that I do I'm going to work with you. 2445 02:04:03,779 --> 02:04:05,059 I'm going to work with these other people 2446 02:04:05,500 --> 02:04:06,938 and it'll never happen again. 2447 02:04:06,939 --> 02:04:08,531 And that night we signed an agreement 2448 02:04:08,859 --> 02:04:10,689 with Kathy Lee Gifford. 2449 02:04:10,778 --> 02:04:12,495 I thought it would be a relatively easy process 2450 02:04:12,697 --> 02:04:14,096 and it isn't. 2451 02:04:14,137 --> 02:04:16,252 As for every question I have there seem to be 2452 02:04:16,253 --> 02:04:18,206 five questions that come back tome. 2453 02:04:18,455 --> 02:04:20,491 As far as Wal-Mart goes and Kathy Lee 2454 02:04:20,775 --> 02:04:23,129 pretty much everything returned to sweatshop conditions 2455 02:04:23,174 --> 02:04:27,132 but because this was fought out on television for weeks 2456 02:04:27,133 --> 02:04:28,650 this incident with Kathy Lee Gifford actually 2457 02:04:28,932 --> 02:04:30,160 took the sweatshop issue 2458 02:04:30,372 --> 02:04:32,248 took every single part of the country. 2459 02:04:32,291 --> 02:04:33,689 And so frankly after that 2460 02:04:33,730 --> 02:04:35,243 there's hardly a single person in this country 2461 02:04:35,244 --> 02:04:36,444 who doesn't know about child labour 2462 02:04:36,610 --> 02:04:38,361 or sweatshops or starvation wages. 2463 02:04:58,682 --> 02:05:02,833 So what wanted to do is to look at the very roots 2464 02:05:03,001 --> 02:05:07,595 of the legal form that created this beast 2465 02:05:07,799 --> 02:05:10,949 and wanted to think who can hold them accountable. 2466 02:05:12,598 --> 02:05:14,076 They're not graven in stone. 2467 02:05:14,077 --> 02:05:15,265 They can be dismantled. 2468 02:05:15,477 --> 02:05:18,355 And in fact most states have laws 2469 02:05:18,356 --> 02:05:21,028 which require that they be dismantled. 2470 02:05:23,154 --> 02:05:24,507 For too long now 2471 02:05:24,554 --> 02:05:26,472 giant corporations have been allowed 2472 02:05:26,473 --> 02:05:28,906 to undermine democracy here in the United States 2473 02:05:29,352 --> 02:05:30,671 and all over the world. 2474 02:05:30,792 --> 02:05:32,224 But today the Inn National Lawyer's Guild 2475 02:05:32,231 --> 02:05:33,903 and 29 other groups and individuals 2476 02:05:34,151 --> 02:05:36,549 are fighting back. 2477 02:05:36,550 --> 02:05:39,621 We are calling upon State Attorney General Dan Lungren 2478 02:05:39,622 --> 02:05:41,703 to comply with California law 2479 02:05:41,828 --> 02:05:43,819 and to revoke the corporate charter 2480 02:05:44,187 --> 02:05:47,224 of the Union Oil Company of California 2481 02:05:47,225 --> 02:05:50,262 for its repeated and grievous offences. 2482 02:05:50,425 --> 02:05:52,302 This is the statute that is well-known. 2483 02:05:52,345 --> 02:05:53,413 It has been used. 2484 02:05:53,664 --> 02:05:54,623 It can be used. 2485 02:05:54,624 --> 02:05:56,853 What this will mean is the dissolution 2486 02:05:57,023 --> 02:05:59,536 of the Union Oil Company of California 2487 02:05:59,902 --> 02:06:03,257 the sale of its assets under careful court orders 2488 02:06:03,261 --> 02:06:05,411 to others who will carry on in the public interest. 2489 02:06:08,539 --> 02:06:10,458 This is nothing more than a smear campaign. 2490 02:06:10,459 --> 02:06:13,291 This company has been part of California's economy 2491 02:06:13,818 --> 02:06:16,126 for over 100 years thousands of jobs. 2492 02:06:16,217 --> 02:06:17,808 Doesn't mean it's never made any mistakes 2493 02:06:17,809 --> 02:06:18,725 paid for those mistakes 2494 02:06:19,096 --> 02:06:20,535 but this demonizing of accompany 2495 02:06:20,536 --> 02:06:22,048 I think I am in a time warp or something 2496 02:06:22,455 --> 02:06:24,809 that I fell asleep and woke up 50 years ago 2497 02:06:24,854 --> 02:06:26,287 and we heard that kind of rhetoric. 2498 02:06:26,294 --> 02:06:29,444 Well we have a very very broad set of people angry 2499 02:06:29,533 --> 02:06:31,443 very angry at this corporation 2500 02:06:31,452 --> 02:06:32,680 well people from the left of the spectrum 2501 02:06:32,892 --> 02:06:35,121 who don't produce anything except hot air. 2502 02:06:35,291 --> 02:06:37,679 From its complicity in unspeakable 2503 02:06:37,690 --> 02:06:39,361 human rights violations overseas 2504 02:06:39,609 --> 02:06:43,362 against women gays labourers and indigenous peoples 2505 02:06:43,448 --> 02:06:46,086 to its efforts to subvert U.S. Foreign policy 2506 02:06:46,327 --> 02:06:47,555 and deceive the courts 2507 02:06:47,767 --> 02:06:49,685 the public and its own stockholders 2508 02:06:49,686 --> 02:06:52,757 Unocal is emblematic of corporate abuse 2509 02:06:53,045 --> 02:06:55,000 and corporate power run amok 2510 02:06:59,083 --> 02:07:01,961 ...is immoral. 2511 02:07:01,962 --> 02:07:05,397 Unocal cannot do business in Burma 2512 02:07:05,801 --> 02:07:08,917 without supporting that hopeless regime... 2513 02:07:19,236 --> 02:07:23,467 The curse for me has been the fact that in making these 2514 02:07:23,555 --> 02:07:25,465 you know documentary films 2515 02:07:25,954 --> 02:07:28,706 I've seen that they actually can impact change 2516 02:07:28,833 --> 02:07:31,630 so I'm just compelled to just keep making them. 2517 02:07:31,631 --> 02:07:34,146 Yep that's me doing what I do 2518 02:07:34,431 --> 02:07:36,830 All year long I give big companies a hard time 2519 02:07:36,831 --> 02:07:39,867 but at Christmas time I like to set aside my differences 2520 02:07:40,190 --> 02:07:44,022 and reach out to big business like cigarette companies. 2521 02:07:48,627 --> 02:07:51,777 Deck the Halls with boughs of holly... 2522 02:07:51,986 --> 02:07:55,295 fa la la la la la la la 2523 02:07:55,345 --> 02:07:57,063 I went to Littleton Colorado 2524 02:07:57,064 --> 02:08:00,419 where the Columbine shooting took place 2525 02:08:00,423 --> 02:08:01,617 and I didn't know this 2526 02:08:01,862 --> 02:08:05,900 but when I arrived I learned what the primary job is 2527 02:08:06,181 --> 02:08:09,138 of the parents of the kids who go to Columbine High School. 2528 02:08:09,139 --> 02:08:11,254 The number one job in Littleton Colorado 2529 02:08:11,459 --> 02:08:13,256 They work for Lockheed Martin 2530 02:08:13,379 --> 02:08:16,257 building weapons of mass destruction. 2531 02:08:16,258 --> 02:08:17,849 But they don't see the connect 2532 02:08:18,177 --> 02:08:20,855 between what they do for a living 2533 02:08:20,856 --> 02:08:23,533 and what their kids do at school 2534 02:08:23,935 --> 02:08:26,323 or did at school 2535 02:08:26,334 --> 02:08:29,325 And so I'm kind of you know up on my high horse 2536 02:08:29,326 --> 02:08:32,602 thinking about this and I thought you know 2537 02:08:33,052 --> 02:08:34,326 I said to my wife 2538 02:08:34,492 --> 02:08:37,801 we both are sons and daughters of auto workers 2539 02:08:37,851 --> 02:08:39,289 in Flint Michigan. 2540 02:08:39,290 --> 02:08:42,087 There isn't a single one of us back in Flint 2541 02:08:42,169 --> 02:08:44,478 any of us including us 2542 02:08:44,569 --> 02:08:46,559 who ever stopped to think 2543 02:08:46,968 --> 02:08:48,825 this thing we do for a living 2544 02:08:48,826 --> 02:08:50,684 the building of automobiles 2545 02:08:50,806 --> 02:08:52,922 is probably the single biggest reason 2546 02:08:53,206 --> 02:08:56,117 why the polar ice caps are going to melt 2547 02:08:56,118 --> 02:08:58,996 and end civilization as we know it. 2548 02:08:58,997 --> 02:09:01,557 There's no connect between 2549 02:09:01,843 --> 02:09:04,720 I'm just an assembler on an assembly line building a car 2550 02:09:04,722 --> 02:09:06,393 which is good for people and society 2551 02:09:06,641 --> 02:09:07,790 and it moves them around. 2552 02:09:08,081 --> 02:09:10,913 But never stop to think about the larger picture 2553 02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:14,156 and the larger responsibility of what were doing. 2554 02:09:14,319 --> 02:09:17,037 Ultimately we have to as individuals 2555 02:09:17,198 --> 02:09:20,076 accept responsibility for our collective action 2556 02:09:20,077 --> 02:09:26,594 and the larger harm that it causes you know in our world. 2557 02:09:26,795 --> 02:09:29,388 Today the first of two historic town hall meetings 2558 02:09:29,554 --> 02:09:32,192 will get underway in Arcata California 2559 02:09:32,353 --> 02:09:34,707 61 percent of Arcatans voted in favour 2560 02:09:34,752 --> 02:09:36,424 of publicly discussing 2561 02:09:36,671 --> 02:09:39,629 whether democracy is even possible with large corporations 2562 02:09:39,630 --> 02:09:41,546 ...so much wealth and power under law. 2563 02:09:41,910 --> 02:09:43,348 They also voted to form a committee 2564 02:09:43,349 --> 02:09:46,465 to ensure democratic control over corporations in Arcata. 2565 02:09:47,988 --> 02:09:49,500 Corporations are not accountable 2566 02:09:49,501 --> 02:09:50,576 to the democratic process. 2567 02:09:50,867 --> 02:09:52,015 That is what this is about. 2568 02:09:52,306 --> 02:09:54,103 I don't want to make decisions 2569 02:09:54,226 --> 02:09:55,704 about everything that goes on in their corporation. 2570 02:09:55,705 --> 02:09:58,297 But I do have a strong belief 2571 02:09:58,504 --> 02:10:00,381 that they don't need to be held accountable to us. 2572 02:10:02,823 --> 02:10:04,102 If we don't like certain products 2573 02:10:04,103 --> 02:10:06,536 if we don't like Pepsi-Cola Bank of America 2574 02:10:06,982 --> 02:10:08,778 well if you don't like what they do 2575 02:10:08,901 --> 02:10:10,129 don't use them. 2576 02:10:10,340 --> 02:10:13,173 That's the way I see the peoples power is. 2577 02:10:14,659 --> 02:10:15,569 You have a lot more money than me 2578 02:10:15,619 --> 02:10:17,057 You have more votes than I do 2579 02:10:17,058 --> 02:10:20,811 If we use the model of boycott and voting with your dollars 2580 02:10:21,297 --> 02:10:23,764 that's an undemocratic situation. 2581 02:10:23,765 --> 02:10:25,049 What are we afraid of? 2582 02:10:25,136 --> 02:10:26,727 I mean are all the businesses going to leave Arcata? 2583 02:10:26,728 --> 02:10:27,610 I don't think so. 2584 02:10:28,015 --> 02:10:28,973 And if they did 2585 02:10:28,974 --> 02:10:30,612 wed deal with it or wed figure it out 2586 02:10:30,894 --> 02:10:31,882 or wed do something different. 2587 02:10:31,883 --> 02:10:33,252 We're creative people. 2588 02:10:33,293 --> 02:10:36,284 I just don't see why we are afraid. 2589 02:10:36,652 --> 02:10:37,879 If you think it's tough making a decision 2590 02:10:38,091 --> 02:10:39,050 where to buy your stuff today 2591 02:10:39,051 --> 02:10:40,450 how tough do you think it is when there's only 2592 02:10:40,491 --> 02:10:43,402 one provider and it's the state. 2593 02:10:43,850 --> 02:10:44,759 And by the way 2594 02:10:44,809 --> 02:10:46,959 you don't get to have this little democracy forum 2595 02:10:47,208 --> 02:10:48,647 in those communities either. 2596 02:10:48,648 --> 02:10:51,081 People that say that they fear their govern meant 2597 02:10:51,327 --> 02:10:53,245 I really hope that they understand 2598 02:10:53,246 --> 02:10:55,714 that they're allowed to participate in their government 2599 02:10:56,126 --> 02:10:57,956 they're not allowed to participate in anything 2600 02:10:57,957 --> 02:10:59,153 the corporations do. 2601 02:10:59,364 --> 02:11:00,638 So don't fear the government. 2602 02:11:00,764 --> 02:11:03,436 Help it be the government that you wont fear. 2603 02:11:03,643 --> 02:11:05,758 If this many people around the country would do this 2604 02:11:05,759 --> 02:11:07,200 instead of watching Super bowl Sunday 2605 02:11:07,482 --> 02:11:09,312 our nation would be controlled by the people 2606 02:11:09,401 --> 02:11:10,880 not by the corporations. 2607 02:11:12,200 --> 02:11:14,588 ...no more chain restaurants in Arcata after 2608 02:11:14,599 --> 02:11:16,271 a long awaited decision... 2609 02:11:33,313 --> 02:11:34,951 Over the past decade 2610 02:11:35,233 --> 02:11:38,030 we have been gaining ground. 2611 02:11:38,112 --> 02:11:39,100 And when I say we 2612 02:11:39,551 --> 02:11:42,007 I mean ordinary people committed 2613 02:11:42,008 --> 02:11:44,462 to the welfare of all humanity. 2614 02:11:44,830 --> 02:11:47,024 All people irrespective of gender and class 2615 02:11:47,229 --> 02:11:48,943 and race and religion. 2616 02:11:48,944 --> 02:11:50,659 All species on the planet. 2617 02:11:51,068 --> 02:11:53,946 We managed to take the biggest government 2618 02:11:53,947 --> 02:11:57,018 and one of the largest chemical companies to court 2619 02:11:57,146 --> 02:12:02,059 on the case of Neemand win a case against them. 2620 02:12:02,424 --> 02:12:05,176 W.R. Grace and the U.S. Governments patent on Neem 2621 02:12:05,303 --> 02:12:06,741 was revoked by a case we brought 2622 02:12:06,742 --> 02:12:09,051 along with the greens of European parliament 2623 02:12:09,622 --> 02:12:12,419 and the international organic agriculture movement. 2624 02:12:12,501 --> 02:12:14,297 We won because we worked together. 2625 02:12:18,739 --> 02:12:21,491 We have overturned nearly 99 percent 2626 02:12:21,618 --> 02:12:23,812 of the basmati patent of Ricetek. 2627 02:12:23,817 --> 02:12:27,286 Again because we worked as a world wide coalition 2628 02:12:27,656 --> 02:12:30,931 old women in Texas scientists in India 2629 02:12:31,015 --> 02:12:33,323 activists sitting in Vancouver 2630 02:12:33,414 --> 02:12:36,292 a little basmati action group. 2631 02:12:36,293 --> 02:12:39,364 We stopped the third world being viewed as the pirate 2632 02:12:39,572 --> 02:12:41,402 and we showed the corporations were the pirate. 2633 02:12:49,488 --> 02:12:51,842 Look how little it took for Gandhi 2634 02:12:51,843 --> 02:12:54,196 to work against the salt laws of the British 2635 02:12:54,287 --> 02:12:55,719 where the British decided 2636 02:12:55,726 --> 02:12:57,478 the way they would make their armies 2637 02:12:57,606 --> 02:12:58,958 and police forces bigger 2638 02:12:59,045 --> 02:13:00,683 is just tax the salt. 2639 02:13:00,965 --> 02:13:03,353 And all that Gandhi did was walk to the beach 2640 02:13:03,364 --> 02:13:05,354 pick up the salt and say 2641 02:13:05,763 --> 02:13:06,722 nature gives it for free. 2642 02:13:06,723 --> 02:13:08,201 Wanted it. We've always made it. 2643 02:13:08,642 --> 02:13:09,961 We will violate your laws. 2644 02:13:10,082 --> 02:13:12,240 We will continue to make salt. 2645 02:13:12,241 --> 02:13:14,398 We've had a similar commitment for 2646 02:13:14,880 --> 02:13:15,359 the last decade in India. 2647 02:13:15,360 --> 02:13:18,749 That any law that makes it illegal to save seed 2648 02:13:19,199 --> 02:13:22,557 is a law not worth following. 2649 02:13:22,558 --> 02:13:25,515 We will violate it because saving seed is a duty 2650 02:13:25,917 --> 02:13:30,067 to the earth and to future generations. 2651 02:13:30,235 --> 02:13:33,067 We thought it would really be symbolic 2652 02:13:33,114 --> 02:13:34,073 It is more than symbolic. 2653 02:13:34,074 --> 02:13:37,304 It is becoming a survival option. 2654 02:13:37,433 --> 02:13:40,310 Farmers who grow their own seeds 2655 02:13:40,312 --> 02:13:41,301 save their own seeds 2656 02:13:41,751 --> 02:13:42,710 don't buy pesticides 2657 02:13:42,711 --> 02:13:44,541 have threefold more incomes 2658 02:13:44,630 --> 02:13:47,224 than farmers who are locked into the chemical treadmill 2659 02:13:47,510 --> 02:13:50,501 depending on Monsanto and Cargill 2660 02:13:50,748 --> 02:13:52,978 We have managed to create alternatives 2661 02:13:53,148 --> 02:13:55,066 that work for people. 2662 02:13:55,067 --> 02:13:58,945 There are many tools for bringing back community. 2663 02:13:59,386 --> 02:14:00,784 But the importance is not the tools 2664 02:14:00,825 --> 02:14:02,744 I mean there's litigation there's legislation 2665 02:14:02,745 --> 02:14:06,418 there's direct action there's education boycotts 2666 02:14:06,583 --> 02:14:07,732 social investment... 2667 02:14:08,023 --> 02:14:12,617 There's many many ways to address issues 2668 02:14:12,618 --> 02:14:13,740 of corporate power. 2669 02:14:14,261 --> 02:14:15,678 But in the final analysis 2670 02:14:15,679 --> 02:14:17,097 what's really important is the vision. 2671 02:14:17,140 --> 02:14:18,970 You have to have abetter story 2672 02:14:19,059 --> 02:14:23,529 Do I know you well enough to call you fellow plunderers? 2673 02:14:23,858 --> 02:14:27,895 There is not an industrial company on earth 2674 02:14:27,896 --> 02:14:30,607 not an institution of any kind 2675 02:14:31,055 --> 02:14:34,251 not mine not yours not anyone's 2676 02:14:34,414 --> 02:14:38,252 that is sustainable. 2677 02:14:38,253 --> 02:14:40,368 I stand convicted by me myself alone 2678 02:14:40,652 --> 02:14:41,611 not by anyone else 2679 02:14:41,612 --> 02:14:43,806 as a plunderer of the earth 2680 02:14:44,011 --> 02:14:47,366 but not by our civilizations definition. 2681 02:14:47,370 --> 02:14:48,848 By our civilization's definition 2682 02:14:49,289 --> 02:14:51,120 I'm a captain of industry. 2683 02:14:51,209 --> 02:14:53,676 In the eyes of many a kind of modern-day hero. 2684 02:14:53,677 --> 02:14:56,486 But really really 2685 02:14:56,487 --> 02:15:00,604 the first industrial revolution is flawed 2686 02:15:00,886 --> 02:15:02,716 it is not working. 2687 02:15:02,805 --> 02:15:05,562 It is unsustainable. 2688 02:15:05,563 --> 02:15:08,320 It is the mistake 2689 02:15:08,563 --> 02:15:11,952 and we must move on to another 2690 02:15:12,242 --> 02:15:14,118 and better industrial revolution 2691 02:15:14,161 --> 02:15:16,794 and get it right this time. 2692 02:15:16,795 --> 02:15:19,428 When I think of what could be 2693 02:15:19,919 --> 02:15:24,230 I visualize an organization of people 2694 02:15:24,238 --> 02:15:28,707 committed to a purpose 2695 02:15:28,876 --> 02:15:32,629 and the purpose is doing no harm. 2696 02:15:32,715 --> 02:15:34,154 I see accompany 2697 02:15:34,155 --> 02:15:37,146 that has severed the umbilical cord to earth 2698 02:15:37,514 --> 02:15:38,952 for its raw materials 2699 02:15:38,953 --> 02:15:42,786 taking raw materials that have already been extracted 2700 02:15:43,272 --> 02:15:45,501 and using them over and over again 2701 02:15:45,671 --> 02:15:48,059 driving that process with renewable energy. 2702 02:15:49,510 --> 02:15:50,737 It is our plan 2703 02:15:50,949 --> 02:15:55,738 it remains our plan to climb Mount Sustainability 2704 02:15:55,748 --> 02:15:58,386 that mountain that is higher than Everest 2705 02:15:58,627 --> 02:16:00,537 infinitely higher than Everest 2706 02:16:00,546 --> 02:16:02,820 far more difficult to scale. 2707 02:16:02,945 --> 02:16:07,972 That point at the top symbolizing zero footprint... 2708 02:16:17,820 --> 02:16:19,936 So we've got to undo a lot of things 2709 02:16:19,937 --> 02:16:21,092 in order to be smart enough 2710 02:16:21,179 --> 02:16:25,091 to do this really dangerous and risky and difficult work 2711 02:16:25,498 --> 02:16:28,250 you know the best way that we possibly can. 2712 02:16:28,377 --> 02:16:30,731 And that means people coming together and learning 2713 02:16:30,776 --> 02:16:33,494 a whole lot of stuff that we just don't know 2714 02:16:33,655 --> 02:16:35,094 that has been driven out of the culture 2715 02:16:35,095 --> 02:16:37,050 driven out of the society driven out of our minds. 2716 02:16:37,051 --> 02:16:38,766 That tome is the most exciting thing. 2717 02:16:38,934 --> 02:16:39,888 That is happening 2718 02:16:39,893 --> 02:16:41,451 it's happening all over the world now. 2719 02:18:58,088 --> 02:19:01,875 Sometimes it surprises me how effective you can actually be. 2720 02:19:01,927 --> 02:19:02,881 After we beat the Gap 2721 02:19:02,886 --> 02:19:04,114 I walked past these Gap stores 2722 02:19:04,166 --> 02:19:05,201 and I looked at them and I think 2723 02:19:05,606 --> 02:19:07,543 my God there's like 2000 of these stores across the country. 2724 02:19:07,544 --> 02:19:09,480 Look at all that concrete look at the glass 2725 02:19:09,481 --> 02:19:11,400 look at all the staff people look at all the clothing. 2726 02:19:11,844 --> 02:19:13,762 Look at that power 2727 02:19:13,763 --> 02:19:16,151 You can still reach these companies. 2728 02:19:16,642 --> 02:19:18,313 You can still have an effect. 2729 02:19:47,632 --> 02:19:50,350 We can change the government. 2730 02:19:50,471 --> 02:19:54,019 That's the only way were going tore design re think 2731 02:19:54,110 --> 02:19:57,385 re-constitute what capital and property can do 2732 02:19:59,148 --> 02:20:01,536 Fifteen corporations would like to control the conditions 2733 02:20:01,547 --> 02:20:03,026 of our life 2734 02:20:03,467 --> 02:20:05,457 and millions of people are saying not only do 2735 02:20:05,458 --> 02:20:06,578 we not need you 2736 02:20:06,579 --> 02:20:07,698 we can do it better. 2737 02:20:08,265 --> 02:20:11,222 We are going to create systems that nourish the earth 2738 02:20:11,223 --> 02:20:12,583 and nourish human beings. 2739 02:20:12,584 --> 02:20:14,574 And these are not marginal experiments 2740 02:20:14,983 --> 02:20:18,054 they are the mainstay of large numbers of 2741 02:20:18,055 --> 02:20:19,374 communities across the world. 2742 02:20:19,781 --> 02:20:21,658 That is where the future lies. 2743 02:20:21,701 --> 02:20:23,736 You know I've always thought it's very ironic 2744 02:20:23,737 --> 02:20:25,575 that I'm able to do all this and yet what am I on? 2745 02:20:26,019 --> 02:20:26,978 I'm on networks. 2746 02:20:26,979 --> 02:20:28,378 I'm distributed by studios 2747 02:20:28,419 --> 02:20:30,568 that are owned by large corporate entities. 2748 02:20:30,818 --> 02:20:34,934 Now why would they put me out there when I am opposed 2749 02:20:35,136 --> 02:20:37,491 to everything that they stand for? 2750 02:20:37,536 --> 02:20:40,810 And I spend my time on their dime opposing 2751 02:20:40,894 --> 02:20:43,169 what they believe in. 2752 02:20:43,294 --> 02:20:44,248 Okay? 2753 02:20:44,733 --> 02:20:46,172 Well it's because they don't believe in anything. 2754 02:20:46,173 --> 02:20:48,527 They put me on there because they know that there's millions 2755 02:20:48,572 --> 02:20:51,449 of people that want to see my film or watch the TV show 2756 02:20:51,451 --> 02:20:53,600 and so they're going to make money. 2757 02:20:53,850 --> 02:20:55,602 And I've been able to get my stuff out there 2758 02:20:55,770 --> 02:20:57,604 because I'm driving my truck through 2759 02:20:57,605 --> 02:20:59,438 this incredible flaw in capitalism 2760 02:20:59,608 --> 02:21:01,121 the greed flaw. 2761 02:21:01,528 --> 02:21:04,121 The thing that says the rich man will sell you the rope 2762 02:21:04,122 --> 02:21:04,882 to hand himself with 2763 02:21:05,366 --> 02:21:07,038 if he think she can make a buck off it 2764 02:21:07,039 --> 02:21:08,080 well I'm the rope. 2765 02:21:08,246 --> 02:21:09,075 I hope. 2766 02:21:09,205 --> 02:21:11,002 I'm part of the rope. 2767 02:21:11,125 --> 02:21:13,718 And they also believe that when people watch my stuff 2768 02:21:14,004 --> 02:21:15,834 or maybe watch this film or whatever 2769 02:21:15,923 --> 02:21:17,841 they think that you know 2770 02:21:17,842 --> 02:21:19,195 well you know well you know what 2771 02:21:19,282 --> 02:21:20,999 they'll watch this and they wont do anything 2772 02:21:21,201 --> 02:21:22,953 because we've done such a good job of numbing 2773 02:21:23,121 --> 02:21:24,872 their minds and dumbing them down 2774 02:21:25,040 --> 02:21:26,479 you know they'll never affect... 2775 02:21:26,480 --> 02:21:27,878 People aren't going to leave the church 2776 02:21:27,919 --> 02:21:29,591 and go and do something political. 2777 02:21:29,838 --> 02:21:31,556 They're convinced of that. 2778 02:21:31,758 --> 02:21:33,395 I'm convinced of the opposite. 2779 02:21:33,677 --> 02:21:34,636 I'm convinced that a few people 2780 02:21:34,637 --> 02:21:36,592 are going to leave this movie theatre 2781 02:21:37,036 --> 02:21:38,472 or get up off the couch 2782 02:21:38,473 --> 02:21:39,908 and go and do something 2783 02:21:40,395 --> 02:21:43,830 anything and get this world back in our hands.215483

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