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- Should have more
face than crown on top.
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Even when you do this,
take that measurement off,
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place it on the brim,
see where my thumb comes,
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my thumb shouldn't go down here.
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That means the height of
the crown is too tall.
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Now, as an optical
illusion, if you did
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a Frank Sinatra like
this, that increases,
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that appears to lower,
I've done nothing physical
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with the top part of the hat.
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If I do it even more, which
is the way he used to wear it.
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So you've got, that's
appearing to look even lower,
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this is increasing.
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You may not like the
look, doesn't matter,
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but that's what you're
trying to achieve.
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The hat should not
overtake the personality
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who's wearing it.
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Unless he wants to, the
color, poof, you know.
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- I say, is it going
to be all night?
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- I used to work at Lehman
Brothers as a chauffer,
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and the building outside,
we was going there,
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and we found it,
nobody can go inside.
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And it was about 5,000
people was standing outside.
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And we finded out,
Lehman went bankrupt.
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In 2008, the month
was November 2008.
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And my wages was docked, but
end of the day, I got it back.
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I hold their car, because
I was driving this,
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and it was worth 135,000
pounds, and I hold it,
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say my wages was docked
about 15,000 pounds.
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I said until I get paid,
I'm not returning the car.
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It was locked in that garage.
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It was locked
about three months.
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They couldn't get it,
because we were using
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my home address in London,
they were searching over there,
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they couldn't found
out where is the car.
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So when they decided to
pay me, I said as soon
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as I saw my money, your
car is in the office.
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Of course I have a dream about
curry, because of my dream,
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I wanted to be one
day a business tycoon,
that's my dream.
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I wanted to put my business
everywhere in the world,
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like say, at the moment,
we had done one in Dubai.
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Next one we are thinking to
do in Melbourne, Australia.
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And two weeks back, I was
in Madrid to see a place.
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So my mission is
like to carry it,
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I want to put it every
corner of the world,
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my place, as a storefront.
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Everybody wants to
know, who is this place?
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This is the only fascinating
thing, I like it,
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because I always,
when I was younger,
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like eight nine years old,
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my mission was
only to be a pilot.
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But my dad says, "You
want to be a pilot?"
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I said, "When I grow up, I
couldn't become a pilot."
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But I said to my
dad, "I'm a pilot,
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because I'm creating the curry."
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Rather than riding on airplanes,
I'm riding on curries.
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So I teach people, and
I'm proud of myself,
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I'm a pilot, I can
control everyone.
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Old days, like when my dad
started in 1960s, those days,
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they made the masala, first,
in popular Indian style way.
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But when the English
people came in for eat,
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they goes, "No,
this is too hot."
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Then they put sugar in it.
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No, that's not tasty.
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Then they put coconut in,
they said it's not tasty.
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Then they put some cream
in, then oh it's too white,
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then they put some coloring
to make it look nicer.
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So then they put little bit
almond, little bit sultanas,
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then they say, "Oh,
that's good taste!"
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Like this, English people
always eat sweet stuff,
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so they love something
with a sweet in it.
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And this is another assistant,
all of them are my crews.
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I got another two, they off.
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Where is Luke?
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Tell him to come down.
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We've got an Englishman
who's been working also here.
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- Luke! Come down here!
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- That's all my crews.
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But he is my assistant,
that's second assistant,
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that's third assistant,
and is our great
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chef from English place.
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- Hi!
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- He's a Katie.
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But we're trying to make
him like Indian chef,
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and one day he'll
become Indian chef.
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Yes, it's already working.
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- Yeah, sort of, hardly.
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- But he loves korma.
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- Yeah, chicken korma.
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- And masalas.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- Okay guys, you can go.
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- Thank you.
- Thank you.
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- Thank you, my man!
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When I came in
this area, I start this game,
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with the restaurant craze.
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And they invited me for awards.
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Each time I go, always success,
always win I win I win.
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So far I win 20 awards.
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- Yeah, I love going
to the seaside,
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especially in the summer.
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And sometimes after school,
get a take away from here,
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and just go and sit on the
beach, and it's really nice,
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because you feel like
it's still light,
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it's still warm, and you
know, you're on the beach.
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What more could you want?
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The troops were
at the beaches, at Downkirk,
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and they had to be
evacuated very quickly,
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because of the Germans
coming in from the back.
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And the plea was
put out to rescue,
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and this was a sort
of turning point,
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because people rallied, and
it was the ordinary people in
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England that took their boats
across to help the soldiers.
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Seven of the lay people
lost their lives out
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rescuing the people from
the Dunkirk beaches.
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Rain's coming in now,
we get the rain coming
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in normally from the
west, which is this way.
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- Then I decided I would
spend the rest of my days,
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hopefully back in the
UK, and I came back
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to my mother's property,
and I started off
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at Lloyd's Bank
Westcliff, which was just
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a branch on the
main street here.
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Within a year, I kept
with Lloyd's, but they
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had started a department
called Access Department.
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People were given access
cards in the early 1970s,
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credit cards, and then
that was like working
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for a department of the bank,
and it suited me quite a lot.
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And I was within a mile
or two of walking to work.
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And I took early
retirement in about 1991,
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and they gave you a
reasonable pension,
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and they gave you
a modest lump sum,
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which I could make use of.
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And overall, I think because
I wasn't very adaptable
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in work, I found that
the bank suited me.
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They didn't ask you
to, in my case anyway,
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to do too many obscure
things that I would
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find difficult in adapting.
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So I look back on my
working life as suiting me,
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whereas it wouldn't
necessarily suit others.
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As far as South End is
concerned, I did join
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the South End
Astronomical Society,
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which brought me up
to date with a lot
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of the things that
are going on space.
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They screen the films that have
been taken by space probes,
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and go into detail as
to the kind of work
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that is carried on by
the people that pick up
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the samples from
places like the Moon.
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So I'm not going to this
society at the moment,
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I find that a little bit
of a strain on the eyes.
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But I definitely take out
books from the library.
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- Well there's a
particular shape of hat
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that's worn between South End
and the outskirts of London,
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particularly into London
and Convent Garden,
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around that way, and that's
actually the baker boy cap,
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or in America it's
known as the newsboy.
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In Scotland, it's known
as an eight piece,
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partly because it has
a little button on top
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that has segments
through, one to eight.
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And they start in
various widths.
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In local communities,
you worked in the docks,
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Tilbury Docks, Covent
Garden, the fruit market,
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the flower market,
the meat market,
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where they were carrying
and transporting,
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they were porters, really,
of some description,
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carrying these cargoes
of goods on their head.
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The button would stop the
box hurting their head,
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because it had a
little button to sort
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of take the pressure
off the head.
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And they could stack three or
four, carry it quite easily.
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Obviously, if it's drippy
flowers in the Covent Garden,
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and you had a narrow baker boy,
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and those drips went down
your neck from four o'clock
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in the morning till
seven, you made sure
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the next day you were dry.
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So you had a wider
shaped baker boy.
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But you didn't go to
a trilby hat, as such,
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because that was middle class,
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you were working class,
and you knew your place.
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You need some
architecture underneath
to hold the width out,
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otherwise it just collapses.
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This first came out
around about the 1850s,
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and it got synonymous
with the potato famine
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in Europe and Ireland,
and the Irish,
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hence the Donegal
tweed, went off
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to the New World to
seek their fortune.
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Oh yeah, well I'll start
at the left-hand side.
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There's a chauffer cap for the
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professional driver these days.
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There's the wedding
parties, emcee work,
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prom nightS, bring it
up to date, really.
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Various colors, it's
the sense of authority,
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it's the sense of trust,
so the uniform imparts
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that sort of, and the cap
just finishes it off, really.
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The top hat and the
cane, it's regarded
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as an upper echelon sort of hat.
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The upper echelons
in the landed people,
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and the people who have
got the houses and country.
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But the ascot in particular.
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There are certain places, i.e.
the Queen's Royal Enclosure,
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you cannot enter without
a top hat for the day.
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So within hats,
there's exclusions
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and admittance
wearing the right hat.
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Straw boater, well,
that's another one.
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In this particular
country, really,
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it's Oxford and Cambridge,
punting on the river.
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Henley, it's the Henley
Regatta, is again,
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a very strong sort of hat.
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Originates somewhere
around about Nelson's days,
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where the sailors wore the
straw boater, without the band
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of course, but tarred
to make them waterproof.
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The colored bowler for the
drummer who wants to hold it all
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together, Keith Moon type,
that's his forte really.
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Getting the attention of the
female admirers at the front,
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and the chap who's
holding it all together
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is the beater of the
group, is the drummer,
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and he's saying, "Look
at me, I'm here, please."
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- Well, I'd like
to, when I'm older,
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I want to be a
footballer, a designer,
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a inventor, a chef, a
artist, and that's it.
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Um, London?
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I actually think London's
busier than South End,
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because there's more people,
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and London's the catch-all of
England, but South End isn't.
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So I actually think it's bigger.
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And it's different,
because it's not near
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the seaside that much,
and South End is.
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And if there is such a thing
as a seaside in London,
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then I have never been.
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They make sandcastles,
or they swim in the sea,
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or they just go to basically
a park and chill out.
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The sea is blue, and it goes
waving through the sounds.
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Well, I think it comes
from the other side,
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and it goes to the
other side sometimes,
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but sometimes I think
it's the opposite.
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- We have a high tide,
and then we have,
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six hours later, a low tide,
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and the tide goes
out across mud flats,
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and these are full of birds
during the winter months.
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We get quite a lot of egrets,
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but the geese come in in
skeins, which look wonderful,
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they come and feed
on the eelgrass
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on the marshes which are at lea.
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And they come in with the tide,
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and they go out with the tide.
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When the tide is
out, it goes out for,
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probably a mile and a half.
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- It's the moon.
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The reason we have the tide
is to do with the moon,
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and I can't really
go into much detail.
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As I child, I
probably didn't think
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of the water as the
estuary, I always thought
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of it as a big sea, as if
it just went on and on,
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as if you were abroad somewhere,
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and it went to another country.
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I often got confused that
that was France and not Kate,
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as a child.
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My first thing I
see are the flats
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00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:12,967
that are too tall,
that I don't know how
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they got planning for,
which have sat there,
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unused and not finished
for about five years.
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You've got a lot of
cargo ships going past.
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00:37:29,033 --> 00:37:33,000
You can see lot
better, over in Canvey,
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I don't know if you've
been over to Canvey.
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- When I was a kid, I
was in the East End,
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I come from a family of dockers.
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00:37:45,867 --> 00:37:49,100
And all my family
were, well, you know,
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not all straight, you know.
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And my dad was docker.
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00:37:55,367 --> 00:37:59,400
And when I went back to
London, when I was about,
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00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,033
when we done a gig in
London it was last year,
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you remember that one?
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South London.
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00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:14,067
- At the Empire, I
was upset that day,
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00:38:15,667 --> 00:38:18,100
and I just trace my
roots 'round here,
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and I knock on me aunt's door.
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00:38:19,867 --> 00:38:22,667
Where's me cousin,
oh one's in prison,
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one's here, one's there.
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It's just like every
time I went back
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there looking for family, I got,
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you know, they're not,
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00:38:33,067 --> 00:38:35,800
I'm glad I actually got
away from the East End
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when I did as a young
kid, and come here.
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00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:48,633
I mean, Huey
Lewis and the News
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00:38:48,633 --> 00:38:53,033
is very close friend of
ours from San Francisco,
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00:38:53,033 --> 00:38:56,733
and he's been to
Canvey several times.
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- Gayle.
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Bob Gayle, of course.
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00:38:59,833 --> 00:39:02,867
- Yeah, I met him
again, well he used
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00:39:02,867 --> 00:39:05,133
to hang out with
us before he was,
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00:39:05,133 --> 00:39:07,400
and we would do this thing,
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00:39:09,233 --> 00:39:13,400
I was with Ryan Comedy in
Ireland, and his big house,
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00:39:14,767 --> 00:39:16,233
I used to walk down.
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00:39:16,233 --> 00:39:19,500
And remember that man he
was on about in Louie Louie?
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00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:21,867
Well the house he was on
about was my dad's house,
294
00:39:21,867 --> 00:39:23,567
because he crashed
out there one night
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00:39:23,567 --> 00:39:26,300
and we drank a bottle of brandy.
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00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:28,733
It all goes back a long ways.
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00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:33,500
- The '70s music scene
that was in existence
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was pretty much glam rock,
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was the stuff that was in
the charts at the time,
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00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,200
sweet rocksy music, that
kind of over the top,
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high dresses, fairly kind
of poofy songs in many ways.
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Lots of makeup, lots of
makeup, lots of long hair.
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Hair down to you
ass, and flares,
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00:39:54,433 --> 00:39:56,767
and a load of sparkly shoes.
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00:39:59,633 --> 00:40:04,167
Whereas the Feel Goods
broke that completely.
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We were just a little band
kicking around Canvey.
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When the tide's low, it
is quite prison-like.
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We're below sea level, it's
45,000 people live here.
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It's only 40
minutes to the city,
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so something like 12,000
people a day go up to the city,
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work in banking,
shipping, insurance,
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all the white collar stuff.
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And then also around here,
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00:41:03,567 --> 00:41:06,433
we're loaded up
with big factories.
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Within 20 miles there's
600 factories here.
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Big ones, small ones,
old tractor plant,
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00:41:11,767 --> 00:41:16,133
gin manufactory places, you
name it, it's made here.
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00:41:16,133 --> 00:41:19,933
So the blue collar
workers are all in work.
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And so, very industrious, they
work hard, they play hard.
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I mean we played to hundreds
of people on a nightly level,
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00:41:37,967 --> 00:41:41,467
and it happened when we
got a genuine response
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00:41:41,467 --> 00:41:44,033
from the audience,
on a nightly basis,
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00:41:44,033 --> 00:41:46,367
and what the band was
projecting on stage
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00:41:46,367 --> 00:41:48,033
was very well appreciated.
325
00:41:48,033 --> 00:41:51,167
Whereas the gigs we would play
around Canvey Island then,
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00:41:51,167 --> 00:41:52,633
we were just playing
the local pubs,
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00:41:52,633 --> 00:41:54,867
we were just the
background music.
328
00:41:54,867 --> 00:41:57,067
So we knew there
was a spark there,
329
00:41:57,067 --> 00:41:58,633
and that spark came from here.
330
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We came back, everyone
decided to have a go at it.
331
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:04,467
There was a scene that was
happening in London then,
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called the pub rock scene.
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00:42:06,567 --> 00:42:09,033
These were predominantly
fairly hip pubs,
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but they were free
entrance to the public,
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00:42:11,467 --> 00:42:14,400
and a few bands,
quite a few bands,
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00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,900
got on this kind
of a merry go round
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00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:21,733
that was going in
the pub rock scene.
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00:42:21,733 --> 00:42:25,067
And there were Doug's
Deluxe, Eggs Over Easy,
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00:42:25,067 --> 00:42:29,067
Britishy Swartz Band, the
Feel Goods, of course,
340
00:42:30,533 --> 00:42:34,533
Eddie and the Hot Rods
at a bit of a later date.
341
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:38,567
And all were doing
these gigs in these
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different pubs in London.
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00:42:40,733 --> 00:42:43,733
The Exeter, which
was over Lit Pier,
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00:42:45,233 --> 00:42:48,800
Lord Nelson, Holloway
Road, the Hope and Anchor,
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00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,867
which was in Upper Street,
the Newlands Tavern,
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00:42:51,867 --> 00:42:54,033
which is in South London,
it was quite a circuit.
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00:42:54,033 --> 00:42:56,600
Winter Castle, over near Acton.
348
00:42:58,433 --> 00:43:00,233
But it became a big hit.
349
00:43:00,233 --> 00:43:03,667
The audiences were
actually quite trendy,
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and it's actually being
written that Lady Di
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in her younger days used to
come to see the Feel Goods
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00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,500
when she was a young scallywag
sharing with her flatmates.
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00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:16,933
She mentioned this to a
few of her press then,
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00:43:16,933 --> 00:43:19,600
I have not made this up, really.
355
00:43:38,467 --> 00:43:40,700
- Before, I'd already been
touring with the Feel Goods,
356
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:44,333
and the Hot Rods,
for a few years.
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00:43:44,333 --> 00:43:47,900
But there was a place in
London, the Roundhouse,
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00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:49,867
a friend of ours, John Kurd,
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00:43:49,867 --> 00:43:51,733
used to put Sunday
gigs on there.
360
00:43:51,733 --> 00:43:54,633
It was alright when Keith
Christmas and Henry Cower,
361
00:43:54,633 --> 00:43:57,767
and Arthur Brown with the
flaming hat played there.
362
00:43:57,767 --> 00:43:59,700
- Tangerine Dream.
363
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:03,567
- Yeah, running around with
dirty toenails and acid,
364
00:44:03,567 --> 00:44:04,900
things in there.
365
00:44:06,067 --> 00:44:08,533
All of a sudden, I
got called in to do
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00:44:08,533 --> 00:44:11,133
this band called The Ramones.
367
00:44:11,133 --> 00:44:14,233
I kind of worked with Flaming
Groovies the year before,
368
00:44:14,233 --> 00:44:17,567
and then The Ramones come
along, and Talking Heads,
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00:44:17,567 --> 00:44:21,733
and all of a sudden hippies
weren't allowed on stage,
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00:44:22,667 --> 00:44:24,000
all these bands.
371
00:44:28,233 --> 00:44:31,767
They were mad, they
were absolutely mental.
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00:44:31,767 --> 00:44:33,300
I done the little clubs.
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00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:37,100
One week the Jam were
doing the Red Carey Hens,
374
00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:40,667
and three months later,
Hammond's Pavilion.
375
00:44:40,667 --> 00:44:44,533
And that's how quick
bands moved in them days.
376
00:44:44,533 --> 00:44:47,867
Now The Ramones
supported the Feel Goods.
377
00:44:47,867 --> 00:44:51,967
- Then in '74 they went
bottom-line in New York.
378
00:44:51,967 --> 00:44:54,400
In the audience were
some very high flyers,
379
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,700
Dylan, and who's the
artist guy, blonde.
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00:44:59,467 --> 00:45:01,367
- Andy Warhol.
- Andy Warhol.
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00:45:01,367 --> 00:45:04,767
- Right, and many
movers and shakers
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00:45:04,767 --> 00:45:07,900
from the whole Blondie scene.
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00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,367
If you've got an imagination,
when you go to the South,
384
00:45:24,433 --> 00:45:28,033
and you go to Louisiana
and to Alabama
385
00:45:28,033 --> 00:45:31,233
and to all these coastal
places, it's very very similar.
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00:45:31,233 --> 00:45:35,367
New Jersey is actual comparison,
I think, there is to Essex.
387
00:45:35,367 --> 00:45:38,433
Because New Jersey,
along with Essex,
388
00:45:39,567 --> 00:45:43,233
doesn't have that
New York flash to it.
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00:45:43,233 --> 00:45:47,667
What we are here is a
service county to London.
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00:45:47,667 --> 00:45:51,300
With regard to the energy
that comes out of this area,
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00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:55,500
which is high, Essex
people, South End people,
392
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:57,567
Canvey people, are doers.
393
00:45:58,767 --> 00:46:01,500
They do not mess around,
They get on their bike,
394
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:03,633
they're fearless travelers,
395
00:46:03,633 --> 00:46:06,800
and they will chase
whatever project they're on
396
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,467
to the other side of
the Earth and back.
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00:46:09,467 --> 00:46:13,767
And I often ask myself,
where does this come from?
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00:46:13,767 --> 00:46:16,800
Where does all this
energy, which is crazy,
399
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,433
a lot of talent out
of this area, Parham,
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00:46:20,433 --> 00:46:24,600
Mickey Jap, uh, Eddie and
the Hot Rods, The Feel Goods.
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00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:31,233
These bands, that
is a lot of bands
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00:46:31,233 --> 00:46:35,300
to come out of quite a small
area, quite small communities.
403
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:39,133
One of my theories
with this is purely
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00:46:39,133 --> 00:46:42,000
is we grow up with
the energy force
405
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,233
of the tide coming up
and down twice a day.
406
00:46:46,233 --> 00:46:48,900
The force of the flood comes up,
407
00:46:51,933 --> 00:46:55,433
then you got the
ebb, falls away.
408
00:46:55,433 --> 00:46:58,133
Then, 12 hours later,
she's back on the flood.
409
00:46:58,133 --> 00:47:00,600
An hour and six minutes on,
410
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,367
that's the way the
tidal charts work.
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00:47:03,367 --> 00:47:05,367
And the levels do
go up and down,
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00:47:05,367 --> 00:47:08,800
but we won't confuse
ourselves with that.
413
00:48:46,933 --> 00:48:49,133
- It's nice, but
what about if you,
414
00:48:49,133 --> 00:48:51,800
because he doesn't
wear a hat usually
415
00:49:26,333 --> 00:49:29,433
- And a typical
question is, everyone
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00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,400
is wearing a hat, or is there?
417
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,367
And then when you
look deeper into it,
418
00:49:34,367 --> 00:49:37,300
there is a hat, maybe
one, maybe two been
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00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:39,600
taken off by the
comedian behind him,
420
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,333
just so his bald
pate is showing.
421
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:46,200
Everyone wearing a hat,
because if you didn't
422
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,067
wear a hat in those
days, you caught a cold,
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00:49:48,067 --> 00:49:49,533
you didn't work.
424
00:49:49,533 --> 00:49:52,167
But the type of hat being
worn is none of those
425
00:49:52,167 --> 00:49:54,300
I mentioned previously.
426
00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:56,467
The baker boy had
a button on it.
427
00:49:56,467 --> 00:49:59,767
Because they were near
the edge of the Thames,
428
00:49:59,767 --> 00:50:03,433
they were lighterman, and
lighterman didn't need
429
00:50:03,433 --> 00:50:06,233
a button on their head, they
weren't carrying anything,
430
00:50:06,233 --> 00:50:09,267
they were just doing
duties on the Thames,
431
00:50:09,267 --> 00:50:12,600
keeping themselves
warm during the night,
432
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,767
during the day, during the
ups and downs on the river.
433
00:53:59,633 --> 00:54:01,033
There are
these old iron structures
434
00:54:01,033 --> 00:54:02,533
from World War Two,
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00:54:02,533 --> 00:54:06,667
and put there for the kind
of welcoming committee
436
00:54:06,667 --> 00:54:10,233
for the Luftwaffe and as
they came in from Germany.
437
00:54:10,233 --> 00:54:14,300
So they were basically
the first port of defense.
438
00:55:12,733 --> 00:55:14,933
How well
that could describe our life,
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00:55:14,933 --> 00:55:17,000
we sing for the cross.
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