Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated:
1
00:00:04,964 --> 00:00:07,174
- [Announcer] His whole life
was a million-to-one shot.
2
00:00:07,174 --> 00:00:09,038
♪ Trying hard now ♪
3
00:00:09,038 --> 00:00:13,275
♪ Sunshine on my shoulder ♪
4
00:00:13,275 --> 00:00:15,828
("I Wish" by Stevie Wonder)
5
00:00:15,828 --> 00:00:17,188
- [Alex] This is the one thing
6
00:00:17,188 --> 00:00:20,350
that made me decide to be a bodybuilder:
7
00:00:20,350 --> 00:00:21,473
Arnold Schwarzenegger on the cover
8
00:00:21,473 --> 00:00:25,566
of Joe Weider's Muscle Builder magazine.
9
00:00:25,566 --> 00:00:27,870
You see, I fell in love with bodybuilding,
10
00:00:27,870 --> 00:00:30,765
California, Arnold and
Joe Weider supplements
11
00:00:30,765 --> 00:00:32,515
all at the same time.
12
00:00:34,788 --> 00:00:35,788
It was 1976.
13
00:00:37,870 --> 00:00:40,910
Stevie Wonder and the Bee
Gees were playing on the radio
14
00:00:40,910 --> 00:00:43,315
and I just couldn't wait to grow up.
15
00:00:43,315 --> 00:00:45,614
♪ I wish those days could ♪
16
00:00:45,614 --> 00:00:47,327
♪ Come back once more ♪
17
00:00:47,327 --> 00:00:48,950
♪ Why did those days ♪
18
00:00:48,950 --> 00:00:51,771
♪ Ever have to go ♪
19
00:00:51,771 --> 00:00:54,428
♪ I wish those days could ♪
20
00:00:54,428 --> 00:00:56,310
♪ Come back once more ♪
21
00:00:56,310 --> 00:00:58,113
♪ Why did those days ♪
22
00:00:58,113 --> 00:01:00,626
♪ Ever have to go ♪
23
00:01:00,626 --> 00:01:02,766
♪ 'Cause I love them so ♪
24
00:01:02,766 --> 00:01:03,838
- [Alex] I was 12 years old
25
00:01:03,838 --> 00:01:05,726
and my family had just moved back to Italy
26
00:01:05,726 --> 00:01:08,226
after nine years in Australia.
27
00:01:09,104 --> 00:01:10,902
They sold Bruno's Tarrawanna Restaurant
28
00:01:10,902 --> 00:01:13,441
and headed back to Rome.
29
00:01:13,441 --> 00:01:15,404
Apart from getting into fights every day
30
00:01:15,404 --> 00:01:17,279
with Australian kids calling me Wog.
31
00:01:17,279 --> 00:01:20,089
- [All] Wog, Wog, Wog, Wog, Wog!
32
00:01:20,089 --> 00:01:23,260
- [Alex] I had a great childhood.
33
00:01:23,260 --> 00:01:25,630
I didn't start working out
because of the bullying,
34
00:01:25,630 --> 00:01:28,940
I kinda just stumbled upon it.
35
00:01:28,940 --> 00:01:31,198
I loved that I had complete control
36
00:01:31,198 --> 00:01:34,178
over building the body I wanted.
37
00:01:34,178 --> 00:01:36,021
Supplements were just part of that world
38
00:01:36,021 --> 00:01:39,258
that were displayed in the pages
of those American magazines
39
00:01:39,258 --> 00:01:41,223
and I wanted all of it;
40
00:01:41,223 --> 00:01:46,223
all of it, altogether in one
bundled Joe Weider package.
41
00:01:46,262 --> 00:01:49,878
Just sign me up and take my money.
42
00:01:49,878 --> 00:01:53,636
But I was skinny and weak
and painfully introverted.
43
00:01:53,636 --> 00:01:57,145
I tried to eat more as
much as humanly possible,
44
00:01:57,145 --> 00:01:58,997
but that didn't work.
45
00:01:58,997 --> 00:02:01,865
I wasn't able to eat enough
food to put on any fat,
46
00:02:01,865 --> 00:02:04,084
let alone muscle.
47
00:02:04,084 --> 00:02:08,222
But then I saw this ad
in Joe Weider's magazine,
48
00:02:08,222 --> 00:02:11,284
I thought this was the
answer, this was the key.
49
00:02:11,284 --> 00:02:12,985
This would help me get there faster
50
00:02:12,985 --> 00:02:15,526
and solve all my problems.
51
00:02:15,526 --> 00:02:17,776
And in a way, it kinda did.
52
00:02:19,081 --> 00:02:21,081
I became a boy obsessed.
53
00:02:22,105 --> 00:02:24,462
I worked out before going to school,
54
00:02:24,462 --> 00:02:26,062
as soon as I got home from school
55
00:02:26,062 --> 00:02:28,782
and before I went to bed every night.
56
00:02:28,782 --> 00:02:30,361
I would wake up in the middle of the night
57
00:02:30,361 --> 00:02:35,361
to drink olive oil just to get
those extra calories in me.
58
00:02:35,900 --> 00:02:37,906
But I felt that my secret weapon
59
00:02:37,906 --> 00:02:40,574
was the Crash Weight Gain drink.
60
00:02:41,858 --> 00:02:46,341
What was it about that
shake that I loved so much?
61
00:02:46,341 --> 00:02:48,603
Was it because I felt that I had an edge
62
00:02:48,603 --> 00:02:51,441
that only a few kids in Italy knew about
63
00:02:51,441 --> 00:02:55,341
or did I feel that it
was giving me a shortcut?
64
00:02:55,341 --> 00:02:58,116
How could powered milk,
sugar and flavoring
65
00:02:58,116 --> 00:03:00,877
give me such a noticeable drive?
66
00:03:00,877 --> 00:03:02,760
Was it all psychological?
67
00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,026
Did the Master Blaster
hypnotize me into telling myself
68
00:03:06,026 --> 00:03:10,381
that I would turn into a Mr.
Olympia if I took his product?
69
00:03:10,381 --> 00:03:12,578
Maybe it was all of the above.
70
00:03:12,578 --> 00:03:14,063
- So pay careful attention
71
00:03:14,063 --> 00:03:15,917
to what the bodybuilders tell you.
72
00:03:15,917 --> 00:03:19,058
Listen carefully to what
the champions tell you.
73
00:03:19,058 --> 00:03:23,637
Because without that knowledge,
you'll never look your best.
74
00:03:23,637 --> 00:03:24,941
- [Alex] In the 1970s,
75
00:03:24,941 --> 00:03:27,341
sports supplements were barely emerging.
76
00:03:27,341 --> 00:03:32,174
And today, it's a $40 billion
a year industry and growing.
77
00:03:34,817 --> 00:03:36,290
But how did we get from this
78
00:03:36,290 --> 00:03:39,402
(intriguing orchestral music)
79
00:03:39,402 --> 00:03:40,522
to this?
80
00:03:40,522 --> 00:03:44,105
(intense orchestral music)
81
00:04:04,261 --> 00:04:06,099
Let's go back a little.
82
00:04:06,099 --> 00:04:09,932
(intriguing orchestral music)
83
00:04:36,501 --> 00:04:39,205
(soft intriguing music)
84
00:04:39,205 --> 00:04:42,265
For a very long time,
humankind has been looking
85
00:04:42,265 --> 00:04:44,222
for that magic potion that promises
86
00:04:44,222 --> 00:04:46,555
power, health and longevity.
87
00:04:48,782 --> 00:04:50,323
Hippocrates was the first to notice
88
00:04:50,323 --> 00:04:53,125
that the whey that
separated from goat's milk
89
00:04:53,125 --> 00:04:56,625
gave athletes extra vitality and strength.
90
00:04:57,858 --> 00:05:00,760
Even Roman gladiators that
relied heavily on meat,
91
00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,197
fish and fruit, supplemented
their diet with exotic tonics
92
00:05:05,197 --> 00:05:08,079
like raw bull testicles
as they were thought of
93
00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:11,837
as the ultimate performance enhancers.
94
00:05:11,837 --> 00:05:16,837
This was 2,400 years before
the discovery of testosterone
95
00:05:17,053 --> 00:05:20,834
and it wasn't until the 1800s
that we see any real advances
96
00:05:20,834 --> 00:05:25,353
in using natural compounds
as ergogenic aids.
97
00:05:25,353 --> 00:05:26,957
There were no commercial supplements
98
00:05:26,957 --> 00:05:30,013
as we know them at this time.
99
00:05:30,013 --> 00:05:33,896
The concept of fitness through
exercise wasn't widespread
100
00:05:33,896 --> 00:05:36,274
and the sport of bodybuilding
didn't even exist
101
00:05:36,274 --> 00:05:41,037
until a German strongman
living in London came along.
102
00:05:41,037 --> 00:05:44,013
His name was Friedrich-Wilhelm Muller
103
00:05:44,013 --> 00:05:46,997
who took the name Eugene Sandow,
104
00:05:46,997 --> 00:05:51,157
commonly referred to as the
father of modern bodybuilding.
105
00:05:51,157 --> 00:05:53,541
He promoted the very
first physique contest
106
00:05:53,541 --> 00:05:57,263
in 1901 in London and was
already famous for marketing
107
00:05:57,263 --> 00:05:59,582
his resistance training courses,
108
00:05:59,582 --> 00:06:04,114
periodical magazines and
weightlifting apparatus.
109
00:06:04,114 --> 00:06:06,797
After endorsing the protein food, Plasmon,
110
00:06:06,797 --> 00:06:10,637
he created his very own new supplement:
111
00:06:10,637 --> 00:06:13,153
Sandow's Cocoa Powder.
112
00:06:13,153 --> 00:06:15,138
It promised energy and strength
113
00:06:15,138 --> 00:06:19,888
and Sandow was a perfect
physical specimen to endorse it.
114
00:06:21,037 --> 00:06:23,656
This seems to be the
first modern marketing
115
00:06:23,656 --> 00:06:27,656
of a natural product focusing
on a receptive target audience
116
00:06:27,656 --> 00:06:31,239
that wanted to gain a
physique like he had.
117
00:06:32,156 --> 00:06:35,323
Sandow put cocoa in a box and sold it.
118
00:06:36,418 --> 00:06:38,433
Around the same time in England,
119
00:06:38,433 --> 00:06:41,496
a popular beef concentrate called Bovril
120
00:06:41,496 --> 00:06:45,579
was toted as having amazing
bodybuilding effects.
121
00:06:46,477 --> 00:06:48,636
Since day one, bodybuilding
122
00:06:48,636 --> 00:06:51,661
and supplements were intertwined.
123
00:06:51,661 --> 00:06:54,024
They were born together as twins
124
00:06:54,024 --> 00:06:58,802
and have never been separated,
not even for a moment.
125
00:06:58,802 --> 00:07:01,306
♪ Everybody's workin' out on the sand ♪
126
00:07:01,306 --> 00:07:04,012
♪ From the latest dance
craze to a wild man's dance ♪
127
00:07:04,012 --> 00:07:05,506
- [Alex] But we would have to wait decades
128
00:07:05,506 --> 00:07:09,738
to see the emergence of the
modern protein supplement;
129
00:07:09,738 --> 00:07:13,081
thanks to young pioneer named Rheo Blair.
130
00:07:13,081 --> 00:07:14,653
♪ Flex your muscles for a kick ♪
131
00:07:14,653 --> 00:07:16,466
♪ Now now now ♪
132
00:07:16,466 --> 00:07:18,195
♪ Gotta hustle the kick ♪
133
00:07:18,195 --> 00:07:20,023
♪ Yeah yeah yeah ♪
134
00:07:20,023 --> 00:07:21,392
♪ Take your vitamin pills now ♪
135
00:07:21,392 --> 00:07:23,082
- The oldest supplement brand
136
00:07:23,082 --> 00:07:24,701
to make an impact with athletes,
137
00:07:24,701 --> 00:07:26,383
especially with elite athletes
138
00:07:26,383 --> 00:07:31,300
and that actually garners the
legend status was Rheo Blair.
139
00:07:33,733 --> 00:07:36,125
♪ Always get the attention ♪
140
00:07:36,125 --> 00:07:39,010
♪ Until the muscleman's
got the dynamic tension ♪
141
00:07:39,010 --> 00:07:40,541
- [Announcer] The boys are here,
142
00:07:40,541 --> 00:07:43,440
the girls are here and
the musclemen are here.
143
00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,155
Bikini chicks are the bait
and romance the reward.
144
00:07:47,155 --> 00:07:50,437
(energetic piano music)
145
00:07:50,437 --> 00:07:51,898
- He would actually give it out for free
146
00:07:51,898 --> 00:07:55,245
to a lotta bodybuilders
including Arnold Schwarzenegger.
147
00:07:55,245 --> 00:07:56,869
You know, all the guys back then
148
00:07:56,869 --> 00:07:58,918
were using Blair's Protein.
149
00:07:58,918 --> 00:08:00,294
- Arnold one day says, "Come on,
150
00:08:00,294 --> 00:08:02,038
I'm gonna introduce you to Rheo Blair.
151
00:08:02,038 --> 00:08:03,958
You'll like this guy and he can use you
152
00:08:03,958 --> 00:08:06,710
in his magazine or for his ads
and you'll get free stuff."
153
00:08:06,710 --> 00:08:08,671
Rheo says, "Oh my god, Ric."
154
00:08:08,671 --> 00:08:10,834
"If you wanna advertise
my products, endorse 'em,
155
00:08:10,834 --> 00:08:12,935
I'll give you free supplements."
156
00:08:12,935 --> 00:08:14,058
Just like Arnold said.
157
00:08:14,058 --> 00:08:16,132
Blair's Protein was
probably the best protein
158
00:08:16,132 --> 00:08:17,394
on the market at the time.
159
00:08:17,394 --> 00:08:19,146
Larry Scott, Don Howorth and all the guys
160
00:08:19,146 --> 00:08:20,934
down at Vincent's Gym were takin' it.
161
00:08:20,934 --> 00:08:23,439
- Rheo was very much you know a pioneer
162
00:08:23,439 --> 00:08:26,813
and he was also in the right
place at the right time
163
00:08:26,813 --> 00:08:28,935
as far as protein was concerned.
164
00:08:28,935 --> 00:08:31,234
It was the only protein
that was instantized
165
00:08:31,234 --> 00:08:35,318
and it was because
Ovaltine protein supplement
166
00:08:35,318 --> 00:08:39,195
for the medical business
prescription called Optipro
167
00:08:39,195 --> 00:08:43,695
and Rheo realized it was way
ahead of everything else.
168
00:08:44,678 --> 00:08:47,408
He got an exclusive on
it for a private label.
169
00:08:47,408 --> 00:08:51,960
And at that point, I believe
Ovaltine was the only one
170
00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,934
in the United States that
had instantizing powders.
171
00:08:56,934 --> 00:09:00,518
That was one of the big thing and no soy.
172
00:09:00,518 --> 00:09:03,435
- His theory was with his
protein, you mix with cream.
173
00:09:03,435 --> 00:09:05,414
You make a pudding out of
it and you have the fats
174
00:09:05,414 --> 00:09:07,855
to burn energy and the
protein to build muscle;
175
00:09:07,855 --> 00:09:09,581
therefore you eliminate
your carbohydrates.
176
00:09:09,581 --> 00:09:10,675
That was his whole theory.
177
00:09:10,675 --> 00:09:14,679
And by looking at the guys'
bodies back then, it worked.
178
00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,434
- From the point of
view of modern proteins,
179
00:09:17,434 --> 00:09:18,956
it wasn't very good.
180
00:09:18,956 --> 00:09:23,576
It was 62% protein and 25% carbohydrate.
181
00:09:23,576 --> 00:09:27,075
Unfortunately, that carbohydrate
was lactose milk sugar.
182
00:09:27,075 --> 00:09:31,019
So if you took a fairly decent
quantity of Blair's Protein
183
00:09:31,019 --> 00:09:32,984
and you were lactose intolerant,
184
00:09:32,984 --> 00:09:37,294
you have a lot of gastrointestinal,
particularly flatulence.
185
00:09:37,294 --> 00:09:38,720
There was a famous bodybuilder,
186
00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,619
the first Mr. Olympia, Larry Scott.
187
00:09:40,619 --> 00:09:43,073
In his book, he wrote a book later on.
188
00:09:43,073 --> 00:09:44,788
He talked about how he
took several cups a day
189
00:09:44,788 --> 00:09:46,136
of Blair's Protein.
190
00:09:46,136 --> 00:09:49,415
He had a roommate and his
roommate almost moved out on him
191
00:09:49,415 --> 00:09:51,692
because of his constant flatulence
192
00:09:51,692 --> 00:09:53,918
from drinking Blair's Protein.
193
00:09:53,918 --> 00:09:55,373
♪ Why do you build me up ♪
194
00:09:55,373 --> 00:09:56,500
♪ Build me up ♪
195
00:09:56,500 --> 00:09:57,597
- [Alex] In the 1960s,
196
00:09:57,597 --> 00:10:00,134
three former athletes turned entrepreneurs
197
00:10:00,134 --> 00:10:03,314
were successfully selling
barbells and dumbbells.
198
00:10:03,314 --> 00:10:07,144
Bob Hoffman in Pennsylvania,
Dan Lurie in New York
199
00:10:07,144 --> 00:10:09,561
and Joe Weider in California.
200
00:10:10,686 --> 00:10:12,776
All three came to the realization
201
00:10:12,776 --> 00:10:15,872
that once you sold a
barbell set to a young man,
202
00:10:15,872 --> 00:10:18,552
it would last them their whole lifetime.
203
00:10:18,552 --> 00:10:20,693
But if you sold them supplements,
204
00:10:20,693 --> 00:10:23,294
well they would have
to buy them every month
205
00:10:23,294 --> 00:10:26,414
for as long as they kept working out.
206
00:10:26,414 --> 00:10:28,059
So the muscular trio made sure
207
00:10:28,059 --> 00:10:31,672
everyone was working
out as much as possible
208
00:10:31,672 --> 00:10:34,414
and they created supplement lines,
209
00:10:34,414 --> 00:10:37,336
sold of course through the
pages of their magazines.
210
00:10:37,336 --> 00:10:40,503
(soft cheerful music)
211
00:10:46,214 --> 00:10:48,632
Rheo Blair was selling
his high-quality protein
212
00:10:48,632 --> 00:10:50,552
through Hoffman's magazine.
213
00:10:50,552 --> 00:10:53,302
But after finding out how
much money Blair was making,
214
00:10:53,302 --> 00:10:55,520
Hoffman blocked all of his ads
215
00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,710
and came out with his own line.
216
00:10:58,710 --> 00:11:01,395
It wasn't quite the same though.
217
00:11:01,395 --> 00:11:05,475
- He came out with a protein
called Protein from the Sea
218
00:11:05,475 --> 00:11:07,591
and this was rough stuff, lemme tell ya.
219
00:11:07,591 --> 00:11:10,299
To this day, nobody really
knows what was in that stuff.
220
00:11:10,299 --> 00:11:14,480
I kinda believe it was kind
of desiccated fish scales
221
00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,571
and beach sand because that's
what the consistency was.
222
00:11:18,571 --> 00:11:20,012
It was terrible.
223
00:11:20,012 --> 00:11:23,247
I remember I used to
play a joke on people.
224
00:11:23,247 --> 00:11:24,740
I'd have friends come over
225
00:11:24,740 --> 00:11:27,199
and I take the can of
Protein from the Sea.
226
00:11:27,199 --> 00:11:29,748
I said, "Hey, wanna have
some really good protein?"
227
00:11:29,748 --> 00:11:31,197
And they say, "Sure."
228
00:11:31,197 --> 00:11:33,655
I say, "Lemme mix this
protein drink for you."
229
00:11:33,655 --> 00:11:35,476
And I put in the Protein from the Sea
230
00:11:35,476 --> 00:11:37,484
and I'd actually put in some flavoring.
231
00:11:37,484 --> 00:11:39,655
It never failed every
time somebody drank that.
232
00:11:39,655 --> 00:11:43,293
Within minutes, they ran to
the bathroom and vomited.
233
00:11:43,293 --> 00:11:44,778
- But I know the Protein from the Sea
234
00:11:44,778 --> 00:11:47,680
was dehydrated fish powder
and you mix it with water
235
00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:49,408
and it was just the most disgusting thing
236
00:11:49,408 --> 00:11:51,168
you'd ever wanna have in your life.
237
00:11:51,168 --> 00:11:54,766
It went in and it came
out within five minutes.
238
00:11:54,766 --> 00:11:56,584
- [Alex] Dan Lurie was
selling his products
239
00:11:56,584 --> 00:12:00,295
using Sergio Oliva and Joe
Weider, by the late 1960s,
240
00:12:00,295 --> 00:12:01,530
had a vast array
241
00:12:01,530 --> 00:12:05,415
of supplements heavily advertised
by most of the champions
242
00:12:05,415 --> 00:12:08,253
competing in these new contest:
243
00:12:08,253 --> 00:12:09,116
the Mr. Olympia.
244
00:12:09,116 --> 00:12:12,449
(energetic funky music)
245
00:12:23,054 --> 00:12:24,638
- Joe Weider got on top of the game
246
00:12:24,638 --> 00:12:26,888
because he started the IFBB
247
00:12:27,953 --> 00:12:30,893
and started the sanctioned
contests around the world.
248
00:12:30,893 --> 00:12:32,519
These contests started to be getting
249
00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:34,538
the cream of the crop supplement consumer.
250
00:12:34,538 --> 00:12:36,140
They started to want to get
251
00:12:36,140 --> 00:12:38,735
the best possible performance they could.
252
00:12:38,735 --> 00:12:41,423
Over time, he started to
launch exercise equipment.
253
00:12:41,423 --> 00:12:44,437
And the media platform
happened to be the tool
254
00:12:44,437 --> 00:12:46,314
that showcased these athletes,
255
00:12:46,314 --> 00:12:50,277
but also had consumers reading
how to be like those people.
256
00:12:50,277 --> 00:12:52,874
And that is where he started
to integrate supplements
257
00:12:52,874 --> 00:12:57,874
and exercise equipment into
the page of those magazines.
258
00:12:57,877 --> 00:13:00,275
In the early days of some
of the Joe Weider ads,
259
00:13:00,275 --> 00:13:04,275
there would be the, "Hey
skinny, wanna be huge?"
260
00:13:08,489 --> 00:13:10,317
That still existed back in the early '70s
261
00:13:10,317 --> 00:13:13,213
with some of the old Joe Weider
magazines that I have seen.
262
00:13:13,213 --> 00:13:15,415
But I think it progressed
a little bit further
263
00:13:15,415 --> 00:13:17,882
because they knew that these people
264
00:13:17,882 --> 00:13:21,993
wanted to have some science
that was in their supplements.
265
00:13:21,993 --> 00:13:24,510
They wanted to see that
the champs were using this
266
00:13:24,510 --> 00:13:26,872
and Joe Weider used to sign
267
00:13:26,872 --> 00:13:29,437
the top 10 Olympia
winners every single time.
268
00:13:29,437 --> 00:13:31,756
Having the top 10 always under contract
269
00:13:31,756 --> 00:13:34,295
and what was interesting, it
was a contract at the time
270
00:13:34,295 --> 00:13:37,115
which was an editorial and
supplement and clothing
271
00:13:37,115 --> 00:13:39,335
and everything contract.
272
00:13:39,335 --> 00:13:43,470
So at that time, you
had a bit of a monopoly
273
00:13:43,470 --> 00:13:45,234
and you had the manufacturing plants,
274
00:13:45,234 --> 00:13:47,095
you had distribution channels.
275
00:13:47,095 --> 00:13:50,034
There was a real dominance
that happened at that time.
276
00:13:50,034 --> 00:13:51,856
- [Alex] Joe Weider was 100%
277
00:13:51,856 --> 00:13:54,674
tuned into the pop culture of the era.
278
00:13:54,674 --> 00:13:57,513
And not only did he rise
to the top of the heap,
279
00:13:57,513 --> 00:14:00,409
he reinvented the game from scratch.
280
00:14:00,409 --> 00:14:04,013
Joe made bodybuilding
and supplements sexy.
281
00:14:04,013 --> 00:14:06,354
Everything was wild, everything was fun
282
00:14:06,354 --> 00:14:08,109
and everything had sex appeal
283
00:14:08,109 --> 00:14:11,634
from the editorials to
the ads to the labels.
284
00:14:11,634 --> 00:14:14,813
At the time, Joe was using great
champions like Larry Scott,
285
00:14:14,813 --> 00:14:18,455
Dave Draper and Frank Zane
to sell his supplements.
286
00:14:18,455 --> 00:14:23,277
But in 1968, he found his main
ambassador to the movement:
287
00:14:23,277 --> 00:14:24,877
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
288
00:14:24,877 --> 00:14:27,710
(soft rock music)
289
00:14:32,455 --> 00:14:34,855
- I think the reason why
Joe Weider was so successful
290
00:14:34,855 --> 00:14:38,274
was obviously number one,
he had Arnold on his side.
291
00:14:38,274 --> 00:14:40,933
Arnold was the poster
boy for bodybuilding.
292
00:14:40,933 --> 00:14:43,015
Arnold, he had the look, he had the smile,
293
00:14:43,015 --> 00:14:44,733
he had the physique,
he had the personality,
294
00:14:44,733 --> 00:14:46,934
he had the charm and he had the charisma.
295
00:14:46,934 --> 00:14:48,836
I also think that Joe Weider
296
00:14:48,836 --> 00:14:53,836
did have a lot of other pro
bodybuilders under his belt.
297
00:14:53,954 --> 00:14:56,121
And to the naive customer,
298
00:14:57,335 --> 00:15:00,311
to the naive potential
bodybuilder if you will,
299
00:15:00,311 --> 00:15:02,775
a lotta those pro
bodybuilders in their eyes
300
00:15:02,775 --> 00:15:05,098
were very achievable physiques.
301
00:15:05,098 --> 00:15:07,931
(soft rock music)
302
00:15:15,911 --> 00:15:18,727
I believe that it was more
marketing than science
303
00:15:18,727 --> 00:15:20,834
that got people to buy the products.
304
00:15:20,834 --> 00:15:24,151
It was just the grandeur thought
305
00:15:24,151 --> 00:15:27,471
that I could look like
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
306
00:15:27,471 --> 00:15:29,511
Great, there's science mumbo jumbo.
307
00:15:29,511 --> 00:15:30,813
I don't know what that means.
308
00:15:30,813 --> 00:15:32,170
I really don't care what that means.
309
00:15:32,170 --> 00:15:33,383
It sounds great to me.
310
00:15:33,383 --> 00:15:36,253
But regardless I wanna look
like Arnold Schwarzenegger,
311
00:15:36,253 --> 00:15:39,676
so that's why I'm gonna
take these products.
312
00:15:39,676 --> 00:15:41,549
- I think what was smart about Joe Weider
313
00:15:41,549 --> 00:15:43,749
and the way he marketed his products
314
00:15:43,749 --> 00:15:46,912
was he got the very best, he
got Arnold Schwarzenegger.
315
00:15:46,912 --> 00:15:48,849
And for me, differently
than everybody else.
316
00:15:48,849 --> 00:15:50,742
Everybody else says Arnold
had the greatest body
317
00:15:50,742 --> 00:15:51,973
in the world ever.
318
00:15:51,973 --> 00:15:55,650
It was who he was as a
person and a character
319
00:15:55,650 --> 00:15:58,502
and the dream he was
living, I wanted that.
320
00:15:58,502 --> 00:16:01,497
And if buying the Weight Gainer drink
321
00:16:01,497 --> 00:16:03,394
gave me a bit of what Arnold was
322
00:16:03,394 --> 00:16:06,938
and what Weider has created,
then I'm purchasing that
323
00:16:06,938 --> 00:16:09,158
and that sorta got me.
324
00:16:09,158 --> 00:16:11,600
I'd say to my body, you
know obviously it's calories
325
00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,545
who had help me put on some size.
326
00:16:13,545 --> 00:16:16,943
But what it did is
something so much better:
327
00:16:16,943 --> 00:16:20,110
It mentally made me believe in a dream
328
00:16:21,062 --> 00:16:24,025
and made me believe in
something bigger than myself.
329
00:16:24,025 --> 00:16:26,988
It made me have a piece
of Arnold and Frank Zane
330
00:16:26,988 --> 00:16:29,159
that was representing the product
331
00:16:29,159 --> 00:16:31,765
and it made me think I could be like that.
332
00:16:31,765 --> 00:16:33,013
I could remember the ad actually.
333
00:16:33,013 --> 00:16:34,164
It was Arnold standin' there
334
00:16:34,164 --> 00:16:36,177
just next to the Weight Gainer drink;
335
00:16:36,177 --> 00:16:40,497
but it was everything Arnold
has done up to that point.
336
00:16:40,497 --> 00:16:42,894
So seein' Arnold next to the product,
337
00:16:42,894 --> 00:16:45,287
it sold me 'cause I was
already fan of Arnold
338
00:16:45,287 --> 00:16:46,805
and what he was doin'.
339
00:16:46,805 --> 00:16:49,861
And then Weider puttin' him
next to it, that's an easy sale.
340
00:16:49,861 --> 00:16:51,184
I was a teenager.
341
00:16:51,184 --> 00:16:54,122
I was like, "I want that."
342
00:16:54,122 --> 00:16:56,565
- I think what Joe Weider
did is he found a niche.
343
00:16:56,565 --> 00:16:59,346
He found that bodybuilding
was the way of the future.
344
00:16:59,346 --> 00:17:00,864
People wanted to get built.
345
00:17:00,864 --> 00:17:03,170
And especially men and even
women were getting more fit
346
00:17:03,170 --> 00:17:05,465
and they had icons like
Arnold Schwarzenegger,
347
00:17:05,465 --> 00:17:06,714
Lou Ferrigno.
348
00:17:06,714 --> 00:17:10,602
So TV was shifting and
changing to more muscular men
349
00:17:10,602 --> 00:17:12,583
and so I think Weider capitalized on that.
350
00:17:12,583 --> 00:17:13,874
He had all the bodybuilders,
351
00:17:13,874 --> 00:17:16,674
launched a supplement line that
was targeted to bodybuilders
352
00:17:16,674 --> 00:17:18,840
and it became a mass line.
353
00:17:20,208 --> 00:17:23,790
- Joe Weider, really his
strengths besides his love
354
00:17:23,790 --> 00:17:26,446
of bodybuilding was his marketing
355
00:17:26,446 --> 00:17:30,184
in how he saw bodybuilding
and bodybuilders.
356
00:17:30,184 --> 00:17:32,744
His advertising was so unique
357
00:17:32,744 --> 00:17:35,827
because he was in the dream business.
358
00:17:37,918 --> 00:17:39,663
That's what he was selling.
359
00:17:39,663 --> 00:17:44,605
He was a maker of dreams
and a fulfiller of dreams.
360
00:17:44,605 --> 00:17:47,624
But he always talked about the glamor.
361
00:17:47,624 --> 00:17:50,082
He always talked about
the magic, you know?
362
00:17:50,082 --> 00:17:52,600
So that's what made him special.
363
00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,584
He wasn't selling supplements.
364
00:17:54,584 --> 00:17:56,398
He was selling the girls on the beach
365
00:17:56,398 --> 00:17:57,906
and he was selling the sunshine
366
00:17:57,906 --> 00:18:01,682
and all the fun you're going to have.
367
00:18:01,682 --> 00:18:03,544
That's what made him special.
368
00:18:03,544 --> 00:18:04,718
- Joe Weider's strong point
369
00:18:04,718 --> 00:18:06,782
was almost certainly
that he was the first guy
370
00:18:06,782 --> 00:18:09,370
to see the potential of bodybuilding
371
00:18:09,370 --> 00:18:13,219
'cause he later parlayed
bodybuilding techniques
372
00:18:13,219 --> 00:18:14,584
into other sports.
373
00:18:14,584 --> 00:18:16,480
'Cause a lot of other
sports were saying you know,
374
00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,292
you don't wanna get muscle-bound.
375
00:18:18,292 --> 00:18:21,680
It'll slow you down or
it'll somehow impede
376
00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,080
your ability to perform
when now everyone knows
377
00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,098
the opposite's true.
378
00:18:25,098 --> 00:18:27,337
Well Joe Weider is probably
the biggest advocate of that
379
00:18:27,337 --> 00:18:29,087
and he was also a guy
380
00:18:30,137 --> 00:18:32,858
that was very into bodybuilding
himself passionately.
381
00:18:32,858 --> 00:18:35,167
And he flew Arnold over from Austria,
382
00:18:35,167 --> 00:18:39,018
so he had all the credibility
in the bodybuilding world.
383
00:18:39,018 --> 00:18:40,560
- The reason I took the Weider supplements
384
00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,586
is because when you look at the magazines,
385
00:18:42,586 --> 00:18:44,502
he's got all these ads in there
386
00:18:44,502 --> 00:18:46,502
and so you really believe that Joe Weider
387
00:18:46,502 --> 00:18:48,697
knew what he was doing and you saw
388
00:18:48,697 --> 00:18:50,255
all the guys he was workin' with:
389
00:18:50,255 --> 00:18:53,026
Arnold, Lou Ferrigno, Franco, Zane.
390
00:18:53,026 --> 00:18:55,469
I mean you could go on and on, Bill Pearl.
391
00:18:55,469 --> 00:18:59,284
So you wanted to look like these guys.
392
00:18:59,284 --> 00:19:01,351
- I was just a skinny little
kid, you know what I mean?
393
00:19:01,351 --> 00:19:02,781
And I wanna play football,
I wanna play hockey,
394
00:19:02,781 --> 00:19:04,518
baseball, basketball, every sport.
395
00:19:04,518 --> 00:19:05,756
But I was just a bag of bones.
396
00:19:05,756 --> 00:19:07,557
So my dad you know, of
course you go to the store,
397
00:19:07,557 --> 00:19:09,174
you pick up a Weider magazine
398
00:19:09,174 --> 00:19:11,878
and you get the Joe
Weider Weight Gain 2000
399
00:19:11,878 --> 00:19:14,076
and you're gonna pack on
muscle on top of muscle.
400
00:19:14,076 --> 00:19:18,438
So I must've drank so much
protein powder from age 15 to 18
401
00:19:18,438 --> 00:19:21,356
and my head was gonna explode. (laughs)
402
00:19:21,356 --> 00:19:24,358
There was a lotta education
when all those publications
403
00:19:24,358 --> 00:19:25,813
came out which was great, you know?
404
00:19:25,813 --> 00:19:27,617
It wasn't just take
this, this will happen.
405
00:19:27,617 --> 00:19:30,214
A lotta times the bodybuilders
will record what they ate.
406
00:19:30,214 --> 00:19:32,975
But I would see okay, I'd learn
about you have to eat meats.
407
00:19:32,975 --> 00:19:33,974
You have to eat proteins.
408
00:19:33,974 --> 00:19:35,939
And in between training or after training,
409
00:19:35,939 --> 00:19:38,207
try the Joe Weider
drink or try this drink,
410
00:19:38,207 --> 00:19:39,163
you know what I mean?
411
00:19:39,163 --> 00:19:40,575
Of course I didn't get huge or nothin',
412
00:19:40,575 --> 00:19:42,556
but it probably put on like
an extra five or 10 pounds
413
00:19:42,556 --> 00:19:44,802
which is pretty good
for a high school kid.
414
00:19:44,802 --> 00:19:45,635
- You know what?
415
00:19:45,635 --> 00:19:46,830
I have to say, I love Joe.
416
00:19:46,830 --> 00:19:50,332
Dear Joe, he has created more enthusiasm.
417
00:19:50,332 --> 00:19:51,722
Well he can, you know?
418
00:19:51,722 --> 00:19:54,696
I mean I don't see that as much.
419
00:19:54,696 --> 00:19:57,378
You know, you work with Joe.
420
00:19:57,378 --> 00:19:59,858
But the thing is Joe loved the game
421
00:19:59,858 --> 00:20:02,772
and then when he did the
magazine, it was articulate
422
00:20:02,772 --> 00:20:04,157
and he did that things right.
423
00:20:04,157 --> 00:20:05,746
And I would go up there.
424
00:20:05,746 --> 00:20:10,216
Me and Tom Platz, we
would do like an interview
425
00:20:10,216 --> 00:20:12,578
once or twice a week.
426
00:20:12,578 --> 00:20:15,815
And so it was for me, it's like fun.
427
00:20:15,815 --> 00:20:17,181
Drivin' with Joe Weider sometime
428
00:20:17,181 --> 00:20:20,453
and singing Ventura Highway. (chuckles)
429
00:20:20,453 --> 00:20:21,786
Ventura Highway.
430
00:20:22,672 --> 00:20:25,341
♪ Ventura Highway ♪
431
00:20:25,341 --> 00:20:28,976
♪ In the sunshine ♪
432
00:20:28,976 --> 00:20:31,514
♪ Where the days are longer ♪
433
00:20:31,514 --> 00:20:34,347
(soft rock music)
434
00:20:38,352 --> 00:20:42,953
- Well in my opinion, Joe
Weider was a marketing genius.
435
00:20:42,953 --> 00:20:44,750
And it came about with me is that
436
00:20:44,750 --> 00:20:46,189
he would come down to the gym on Sundays
437
00:20:46,189 --> 00:20:48,752
and take all of us to
Jamaica Bay and for lunch.
438
00:20:48,752 --> 00:20:50,169
And Joe, he was a
439
00:20:52,842 --> 00:20:54,042
how can I say?
440
00:20:54,042 --> 00:20:55,459
He was deceiving.
441
00:20:56,350 --> 00:20:57,472
People would come into the gym
442
00:20:57,472 --> 00:21:00,882
and he picked up two 65-pound
dumbbells and start curling.
443
00:21:00,882 --> 00:21:02,458
I couldn't believe it.
444
00:21:02,458 --> 00:21:05,122
So I had done his last interview
445
00:21:05,122 --> 00:21:06,575
when he was 90 for my show
446
00:21:06,575 --> 00:21:07,824
and I said, "Joe, I remember when you
447
00:21:07,824 --> 00:21:09,279
picked up these dumbbells."
448
00:21:09,279 --> 00:21:10,855
"I was a very strong man, Ric.
449
00:21:10,855 --> 00:21:12,756
I could lift anything."
450
00:21:12,756 --> 00:21:13,796
I said, "Really?
451
00:21:13,796 --> 00:21:16,183
Because those 65s, I can hardly do."
452
00:21:16,183 --> 00:21:19,058
And so anyway, we began to talk
and he had his supplements.
453
00:21:19,058 --> 00:21:21,185
And what he would do,
which was really smart.
454
00:21:21,185 --> 00:21:23,700
He would put ads in his magazine
for like the Master Blaster
455
00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:28,180
or for Super Pro 101 and he'd
see the results coming in.
456
00:21:28,180 --> 00:21:29,256
And if it was gonna be good,
457
00:21:29,256 --> 00:21:30,674
then he would start to manufacture it.
458
00:21:30,674 --> 00:21:32,420
He would stockpile it ahead of time
459
00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:34,420
because he'd be sitting
on all this product,
460
00:21:34,420 --> 00:21:35,783
which to me is a good idea.
461
00:21:35,783 --> 00:21:37,521
But if you were to read Joe's ad,
462
00:21:37,521 --> 00:21:41,185
get big arms, get big back, get big chest.
463
00:21:41,185 --> 00:21:43,519
Workout really hard, get up
at two o'clock in the morning
464
00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:45,373
and perform a sneak attack on your muscle
465
00:21:45,373 --> 00:21:47,076
and shock them into growing.
466
00:21:47,076 --> 00:21:50,479
But it's only possible if
you take my Super Pro 101.
467
00:21:50,479 --> 00:21:51,738
So after you read the whole article,
468
00:21:51,738 --> 00:21:53,226
when you get done is oh,
I'd just been suckered
469
00:21:53,226 --> 00:21:55,113
into buying something.
470
00:21:55,113 --> 00:21:58,393
So he was smart, he
knew what he was doin'.
471
00:21:58,393 --> 00:22:01,226
(soft rock music)
472
00:22:10,486 --> 00:22:12,153
- Fitness was taking off.
473
00:22:12,153 --> 00:22:13,790
You know, fitness became cool.
474
00:22:13,790 --> 00:22:15,526
People wanted to get more healthy.
475
00:22:15,526 --> 00:22:17,593
So a lot of the stuff
that came at that time,
476
00:22:17,593 --> 00:22:19,878
he was helping to grow that
477
00:22:19,878 --> 00:22:22,018
and putting multiple layers into that
478
00:22:22,018 --> 00:22:23,950
and it was less competition.
479
00:22:23,950 --> 00:22:25,909
I think in order to grow bodybuilding,
480
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:29,310
you need to have physiques
that people aspire to be.
481
00:22:29,310 --> 00:22:30,609
You need to have champions
482
00:22:30,609 --> 00:22:32,706
and that's no different
than any other sport.
483
00:22:32,706 --> 00:22:35,450
So because Joe Weider had the
best athletes in the world,
484
00:22:35,450 --> 00:22:37,656
a lotta consumers that
wanted to be like them
485
00:22:37,656 --> 00:22:40,353
would read those magazines
to read the stars
486
00:22:40,353 --> 00:22:43,633
and how in which those people
got the results that they got.
487
00:22:43,633 --> 00:22:44,785
At the time as well though,
488
00:22:44,785 --> 00:22:46,206
the athletes wanted to be famous.
489
00:22:46,206 --> 00:22:47,764
They wanted to have opportunities.
490
00:22:47,764 --> 00:22:49,214
They wanted to move to California
491
00:22:49,214 --> 00:22:51,030
and you know live the lifestyle,
492
00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:52,849
so he provided an outlet for that
493
00:22:52,849 --> 00:22:55,329
kind of opportunity for them.
494
00:22:55,329 --> 00:22:57,670
And the consumer started
to buy the products
495
00:22:57,670 --> 00:22:58,769
that they saw in the magazines
496
00:22:58,769 --> 00:23:00,171
and they started to want to be
497
00:23:00,171 --> 00:23:03,473
a lot like the stars that they saw.
498
00:23:03,473 --> 00:23:06,814
So with the best athletes
in the world under contract
499
00:23:06,814 --> 00:23:09,230
in terms of the bodybuilding industry,
500
00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:10,986
you had a lot of readers that wanted to be
501
00:23:10,986 --> 00:23:13,411
like the stars that they idolized.
502
00:23:13,411 --> 00:23:15,419
Joe Weider was amazing at marketing
503
00:23:15,419 --> 00:23:17,230
each particular bodybuilder.
504
00:23:17,230 --> 00:23:19,891
Each of the bodybuilders
didn't have a great personality
505
00:23:19,891 --> 00:23:21,936
to see this is what I stood for.
506
00:23:21,936 --> 00:23:24,851
He in the magazines
controlled what was written
507
00:23:24,851 --> 00:23:26,313
and how they express themselves
508
00:23:26,313 --> 00:23:27,846
and how they were family people
509
00:23:27,846 --> 00:23:31,070
or how they loved dogs or
you know wherever it is.
510
00:23:31,070 --> 00:23:33,230
And that kinda created personalities
511
00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:35,774
with inside the bodybuilding world.
512
00:23:35,774 --> 00:23:38,507
- For me, Joe Weider's
Dynamic Muscle Builder,
513
00:23:38,507 --> 00:23:42,257
Life Essence and Megabolic
Pak is number one.
514
00:23:43,091 --> 00:23:44,449
- Really lookin' back,
515
00:23:44,449 --> 00:23:47,919
it was the inmates runnin'
the asylum, you know?
516
00:23:47,919 --> 00:23:50,239
The bodybuilder that was better than you
517
00:23:50,239 --> 00:23:52,323
was the authority that you looked to.
518
00:23:52,323 --> 00:23:55,498
You know, the article in the
magazine was the authority.
519
00:23:55,498 --> 00:23:58,459
You know, we didn't have
anyone else to go to.
520
00:23:58,459 --> 00:24:01,419
- I used to dream about supplements
521
00:24:01,419 --> 00:24:04,758
when I used to open the
magazines of Joe Weider
522
00:24:04,758 --> 00:24:07,234
and see the Anabolic Pak
523
00:24:07,234 --> 00:24:10,643
or Arnold you know
drinking all this protein
524
00:24:10,643 --> 00:24:13,296
and just flexin' his biceps and I'm like,
525
00:24:13,296 --> 00:24:16,416
"Wow, I wanna look like that guy
526
00:24:16,416 --> 00:24:17,953
or I wanna look like Bob Paris.
527
00:24:17,953 --> 00:24:21,296
I wanna look like Lee
Haney, Rich Gaspari."
528
00:24:21,296 --> 00:24:23,523
They were the people
that are really really,
529
00:24:23,523 --> 00:24:26,930
that inspired me to wanna do it, you know?
530
00:24:26,930 --> 00:24:31,054
But when I had the chance
to really have supplements
531
00:24:31,054 --> 00:24:32,715
for the first time when I moved to England
532
00:24:32,715 --> 00:24:35,088
to actually become a
professional bodybuilder
533
00:24:35,088 --> 00:24:37,505
and bought that Anabolic Pak,
534
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:41,411
Joe Weider Anabolic Pak.
535
00:24:41,411 --> 00:24:42,340
I was like, "Wow."
536
00:24:42,340 --> 00:24:43,234
I was just lookin' at it.
537
00:24:43,234 --> 00:24:44,616
I walked a week.
538
00:24:44,616 --> 00:24:46,407
Seriously, I was like
I used to wash dishes
539
00:24:46,407 --> 00:24:48,070
in this restaurant for the supplements.
540
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:50,630
I was like, "I have it right now."
541
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:54,115
- In some sense, the people
would say the promotions
542
00:24:54,115 --> 00:24:56,025
or the endorsements back then were cheesy.
543
00:24:56,025 --> 00:24:57,500
To me, it wasn't.
544
00:24:57,500 --> 00:24:59,751
I loved it, I loved it.
545
00:24:59,751 --> 00:25:02,635
I never put the comprehension together
546
00:25:02,635 --> 00:25:05,011
that he's just sellin' hype.
547
00:25:05,011 --> 00:25:07,754
I honestly believe and
still do to this day,
548
00:25:07,754 --> 00:25:09,921
I love that period of time
549
00:25:10,885 --> 00:25:12,802
because it showed hope.
550
00:25:14,592 --> 00:25:16,896
It showed me that I can achieve something
551
00:25:16,896 --> 00:25:18,656
and it was more than the supplements.
552
00:25:18,656 --> 00:25:19,974
It was more than the training.
553
00:25:19,974 --> 00:25:23,271
It was becoming part
of something, a family.
554
00:25:23,271 --> 00:25:25,629
And so I actually love the old-school
555
00:25:25,629 --> 00:25:28,892
and it could be that I was just so naive,
556
00:25:28,892 --> 00:25:31,215
but I love the side effect of it.
557
00:25:31,215 --> 00:25:34,666
The side effect was it is
that you can believe it
558
00:25:34,666 --> 00:25:36,976
and try to have a piece of somethin'
559
00:25:36,976 --> 00:25:38,934
and belong to something.
560
00:25:38,934 --> 00:25:40,875
- Joe Weider is the
father of bodybuilding.
561
00:25:40,875 --> 00:25:44,235
He was also the father of
nutritional supplementation.
562
00:25:44,235 --> 00:25:46,437
He's the one that had all
these nutrition supplements
563
00:25:46,437 --> 00:25:49,532
and I signed with him back in 1991.
564
00:25:49,532 --> 00:25:50,909
I remember all of us you know,
565
00:25:50,909 --> 00:25:53,415
basically following
Joe Weider's principles
566
00:25:53,415 --> 00:25:55,810
and taking Joe Weider's supplements.
567
00:25:55,810 --> 00:25:58,266
As far as if Joe Weider
was taking advantage
568
00:25:58,266 --> 00:25:59,661
of bodybuilders, hell no.
569
00:25:59,661 --> 00:26:00,494
I mean, really.
570
00:26:00,494 --> 00:26:02,037
Whoever really knows him,
571
00:26:02,037 --> 00:26:03,478
he was so passionate about the sport.
572
00:26:03,478 --> 00:26:05,961
He brought Arnold, he
helped so many other people.
573
00:26:05,961 --> 00:26:08,111
But now they said take
advantage, you know?
574
00:26:08,111 --> 00:26:11,697
Some of us would be greedy
and expect for more and more.
575
00:26:11,697 --> 00:26:13,092
He made all this possible.
576
00:26:13,092 --> 00:26:14,452
He gave us a platform to compete
577
00:26:14,452 --> 00:26:17,927
in the magazines to be
known internationally,
578
00:26:17,927 --> 00:26:20,444
giving us supplements and a paycheck.
579
00:26:20,444 --> 00:26:22,729
So no, by all means I think Joe Weider
580
00:26:22,729 --> 00:26:26,169
really should be just saluted
for everything he did.
581
00:26:26,169 --> 00:26:30,292
I remember back in the day
he had a big competition
582
00:26:30,292 --> 00:26:34,749
from like Twinlab, Universal,
you know that was coming up.
583
00:26:34,749 --> 00:26:37,221
But Weider was always Weider.
584
00:26:37,221 --> 00:26:39,482
- But he always, always saw the connection
585
00:26:39,482 --> 00:26:41,711
between bodybuilding and sex;
586
00:26:41,711 --> 00:26:43,961
always, from the beginning.
587
00:26:45,128 --> 00:26:47,456
If it's with Arnold on the beach
588
00:26:47,456 --> 00:26:49,590
with the protein and the girls,
589
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:53,555
I could remember seeing Muscle Builder
590
00:26:53,555 --> 00:26:57,378
and the back ad was a
bunch of bodybuilders
591
00:26:57,378 --> 00:26:58,653
and beautiful women.
592
00:26:58,653 --> 00:26:59,525
This is drawn.
593
00:26:59,525 --> 00:27:03,870
This is an illustration, kinda
float you know in a lake.
594
00:27:03,870 --> 00:27:05,768
You know and they're all standing there
595
00:27:05,768 --> 00:27:09,012
and the girl is saying
"The guy on the float
596
00:27:09,012 --> 00:27:12,852
that gets my vote is
the Weider-trained man."
597
00:27:12,852 --> 00:27:15,140
I'm pulling that out of 50 years ago.
598
00:27:15,140 --> 00:27:16,532
So you know what kind of impression
599
00:27:16,532 --> 00:27:18,968
it made on me as a 17 year old,
600
00:27:18,968 --> 00:27:21,814
that I can still remember
it word-for-word.
601
00:27:21,814 --> 00:27:22,944
That's Joe Weider.
602
00:27:22,944 --> 00:27:26,194
("Call Me" by Blondie)
603
00:27:27,242 --> 00:27:29,916
- [Alex] To me, the '80s
were totally awesome.
604
00:27:29,916 --> 00:27:32,157
They were so good, they were bad.
605
00:27:32,157 --> 00:27:33,297
♪ Who's bad ♪
606
00:27:33,297 --> 00:27:34,272
♪ Ooh ♪
607
00:27:34,272 --> 00:27:37,722
("Don't Stop 'Til You Get
Enough" by Michael Jackson)
608
00:27:37,722 --> 00:27:39,194
- [Alex] I remember begging my dad
609
00:27:39,194 --> 00:27:40,656
to send me back to Sydney
610
00:27:40,656 --> 00:27:43,645
to see Arnold win his seventh Mr. Olympia.
611
00:27:43,645 --> 00:27:46,562
(retro rock music)
612
00:27:48,792 --> 00:27:51,915
At 17, I was able to win Teenage Mr. Italy
613
00:27:51,915 --> 00:27:54,915
and at 19, I won Teenage Mr. Europe.
614
00:27:55,939 --> 00:27:58,111
My dream of being in those magazines
615
00:27:58,111 --> 00:28:01,736
I loved so much finally became a reality
616
00:28:01,736 --> 00:28:05,395
and soon I was offered my
first supplement contract.
617
00:28:05,395 --> 00:28:08,317
But these formulas were just horrible
618
00:28:08,317 --> 00:28:10,661
and when I asked the brand
to improve their products,
619
00:28:10,661 --> 00:28:13,200
they just canceled my contract.
620
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,243
But I had my eyes set on
California and when I arrived,
621
00:28:17,243 --> 00:28:20,219
Weider was still the king of the industry.
622
00:28:20,219 --> 00:28:22,497
But I saw other companies coming up fast.
623
00:28:22,497 --> 00:28:26,080
(inspirational rock music)
624
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,939
- There was a dominance that Weider,
625
00:28:29,939 --> 00:28:32,319
as a whole, had in the marketplace.
626
00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:36,240
But at the same time, the same
company that owned Twinlab
627
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,426
was actually the same owners
628
00:28:37,426 --> 00:28:39,719
of Muscular Development magazine
629
00:28:39,719 --> 00:28:41,760
and that was in the opposite
side of the country.
630
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,862
That was in New York,
New Jersey, that area.
631
00:28:44,862 --> 00:28:48,459
They were another major
Goliath in the industry
632
00:28:48,459 --> 00:28:50,177
and really at the forefront of
633
00:28:50,177 --> 00:28:53,267
the launch of ephedrine caffeine.
634
00:28:53,267 --> 00:28:56,968
- Joe Weider knew how
to captivate an audience
635
00:28:56,968 --> 00:28:59,541
and I think the products
that came in after that
636
00:28:59,541 --> 00:29:01,445
had to play a very special role
637
00:29:01,445 --> 00:29:03,800
on how they were gonna
sell their products.
638
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,939
They couldn't sell it
like the Weiders were.
639
00:29:05,939 --> 00:29:08,144
So I think Universal came at it with
640
00:29:08,144 --> 00:29:10,541
well let's have a multipak.
641
00:29:10,541 --> 00:29:12,141
I don't think there was one at the time
642
00:29:12,141 --> 00:29:14,835
and Twinlabs was a little more glamorous.
643
00:29:14,835 --> 00:29:17,202
Not as glamorous as what
we see today on Instagram,
644
00:29:17,202 --> 00:29:19,325
but it was like the first product line
645
00:29:19,325 --> 00:29:24,117
that sold in a way where it
was really cool to be built.
646
00:29:24,117 --> 00:29:25,725
It was really cool to take a product
647
00:29:25,725 --> 00:29:28,821
and they were the next Weiders.
648
00:29:28,821 --> 00:29:30,911
I believe that Twinlabs and Universal
649
00:29:30,911 --> 00:29:34,357
went head-to-head for a few
years on their products.
650
00:29:34,357 --> 00:29:35,920
(energetic music)
651
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,600
- After the you know,
Weider era continued,
652
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,240
a company called Twinlab did arise
653
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,259
and there was another
small one in California
654
00:29:45,259 --> 00:29:47,377
called Beverly International.
655
00:29:47,377 --> 00:29:50,597
So I remember, you know I
don't know about that time.
656
00:29:50,597 --> 00:29:53,419
You know Beverly was doing some
protein powders and things,
657
00:29:53,419 --> 00:29:56,240
so they were starting to
evolve that protein business.
658
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,675
I believe they continued to
sell like the liver tabs;
659
00:29:58,675 --> 00:30:02,299
things that were popular
prior to that era.
660
00:30:02,299 --> 00:30:05,647
Twinlab really was, I
would say, the innovators.
661
00:30:05,647 --> 00:30:09,019
They brought the non-sexy items.
662
00:30:09,019 --> 00:30:11,064
They brought the vitamins, the minerals
663
00:30:11,064 --> 00:30:12,980
and they started to educate athletes
664
00:30:12,980 --> 00:30:16,313
about the importance of basic nutrition.
665
00:30:18,261 --> 00:30:20,635
They didn't do a lot of fancy things.
666
00:30:20,635 --> 00:30:23,557
It was all just you
know, basic-type things.
667
00:30:23,557 --> 00:30:25,899
You know protein was
egg white, milk and egg.
668
00:30:25,899 --> 00:30:28,219
Nothin' fancy, didn't taste that great,
669
00:30:28,219 --> 00:30:30,420
but just lots of different
types of vitamins.
670
00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:32,605
They then started to
incorporate amino acids
671
00:30:32,605 --> 00:30:35,746
and they started to train us
about the importance of aminos.
672
00:30:35,746 --> 00:30:40,395
So I'd say Twinlab was
probably the big next innovator
673
00:30:40,395 --> 00:30:43,197
into the whole sports nutrition.
674
00:30:43,197 --> 00:30:45,294
- Do you wanna be a tennis
player when you get big?
675
00:30:45,294 --> 00:30:46,127
- Yes.
676
00:30:46,127 --> 00:30:47,327
- [Man] Do you know how old you are?
677
00:30:47,327 --> 00:30:48,410
- Yeah.
- How old are you?
678
00:30:48,410 --> 00:30:49,274
- [Boy] Six.
679
00:30:49,274 --> 00:30:51,042
(tennis balls smacking)
(soft inspirational music)
680
00:30:51,042 --> 00:30:52,398
- [Announcer] When you're ready to become
681
00:30:52,398 --> 00:30:56,796
the person you were born to
be, Twinlab will show you how.
682
00:30:56,796 --> 00:30:58,092
With innovative sports nutrition,
683
00:30:58,092 --> 00:31:00,513
vitamin and herbal formulas.
684
00:31:00,513 --> 00:31:01,908
- [Man] Listen, you just
keep hittin' 'em good
685
00:31:01,908 --> 00:31:03,197
and good luck to you, okay?
686
00:31:03,197 --> 00:31:04,797
- [Boy] 'Kay.
687
00:31:04,797 --> 00:31:08,358
- And I remember this
one ad with Jim Quinn
688
00:31:08,358 --> 00:31:11,285
and it look like he was
coming out of a spaceship
689
00:31:11,285 --> 00:31:13,341
and how the lights were
coming up from behind him.
690
00:31:13,341 --> 00:31:15,938
He looked like this alien comin' out.
691
00:31:15,938 --> 00:31:19,372
He was veiny and just for us gross, right?
692
00:31:19,372 --> 00:31:20,210
It was awesome.
693
00:31:20,210 --> 00:31:23,141
These guys were like aw
yeah, I wanna look like that.
694
00:31:23,141 --> 00:31:26,725
Where the Weiders were
approaching their line
695
00:31:26,725 --> 00:31:28,624
with you can be a Mr. Somebody.
696
00:31:28,624 --> 00:31:31,461
You can be a Mr. Universe,
Mr. World, Mr. Olympia
697
00:31:31,461 --> 00:31:33,186
if you take our product.
698
00:31:33,186 --> 00:31:38,186
And Twinlabs is more like
here's our product, that's it.
699
00:31:38,656 --> 00:31:39,667
Cut and dry.
700
00:31:39,667 --> 00:31:40,947
It was like what is that?
701
00:31:40,947 --> 00:31:42,824
I gotta know more about that.
702
00:31:42,824 --> 00:31:45,688
So I think that the era that I grew up in,
703
00:31:45,688 --> 00:31:47,965
I was getting the tail end of the Weiders
704
00:31:47,965 --> 00:31:49,243
and I was getting the introduction
705
00:31:49,243 --> 00:31:51,347
of Universal and Twinlabs.
706
00:31:51,347 --> 00:31:54,930
(intense orchestral music)
707
00:31:58,340 --> 00:31:59,565
- Ripped Fuel by Twinlab.
708
00:31:59,565 --> 00:32:02,090
Now there was something
interesting about Ripped Fuel.
709
00:32:02,090 --> 00:32:03,749
You know, there was a picture
710
00:32:03,749 --> 00:32:05,483
on the bottle of just this dude.
711
00:32:05,483 --> 00:32:06,692
You didn't see his arms really.
712
00:32:06,692 --> 00:32:07,648
You didn't see his face.
713
00:32:07,648 --> 00:32:10,665
You just saw a chest and these
friggin' big mountain abs
714
00:32:10,665 --> 00:32:12,469
that were like deep and shredded;
715
00:32:12,469 --> 00:32:14,379
and you're like this stuff's
716
00:32:14,379 --> 00:32:16,915
gonna get me absolutely shredded.
717
00:32:16,915 --> 00:32:18,037
And you know what it was?
718
00:32:18,037 --> 00:32:22,173
Guess what that key ingredient
was, none other than Ephedra.
719
00:32:22,173 --> 00:32:24,851
Listen, Ephedra was the game-changer
720
00:32:24,851 --> 00:32:27,258
in the supplement industry.
721
00:32:27,258 --> 00:32:29,738
It gave you energy, it gave you focus
722
00:32:29,738 --> 00:32:33,655
and it got you absolutely
shredded to the bone.
723
00:32:34,915 --> 00:32:36,400
- So as far as ephedrine,
724
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,792
originally I remember the
first ones were Dymetadrine,
725
00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:42,595
which is just ephedrine alone.
726
00:32:42,595 --> 00:32:46,531
And then you had Ripped Fuel
and Diet Fuel from Twinlab
727
00:32:46,531 --> 00:32:49,206
and they were really
big sellers at the time.
728
00:32:49,206 --> 00:32:50,368
They sold tons.
729
00:32:50,368 --> 00:32:52,466
They had these really
nice-looking glass bottles too,
730
00:32:52,466 --> 00:32:54,757
so they look like a very high-end product
731
00:32:54,757 --> 00:32:56,872
and they were doin' a
lotta good advertising.
732
00:32:56,872 --> 00:32:59,168
They had Muscular Development
the magazine behind them,
733
00:32:59,168 --> 00:33:01,408
which was one of the really science-y
734
00:33:01,408 --> 00:33:03,816
but also entertaining
bodybuilding magazine.
735
00:33:03,816 --> 00:33:05,907
So they were doing a lot of
really interesting stuff then.
736
00:33:05,907 --> 00:33:07,907
That product sold great.
737
00:33:08,811 --> 00:33:11,488
- [Woman] I am a one-woman army.
738
00:33:11,488 --> 00:33:14,726
I chew up weights, I eat up the road.
739
00:33:14,726 --> 00:33:17,976
I feed my dream with Twinlab Diet Fuel.
740
00:33:20,719 --> 00:33:22,149
- [Man] So they were one
of the first companies
741
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:24,549
to actually use TV as a medium.
742
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:27,808
- They said no one could
win eight straight Olympias
743
00:33:27,808 --> 00:33:30,030
and I said, "Watch me."
744
00:33:30,030 --> 00:33:34,271
I trained harder, ate smarter
and used Twinlab supplements.
745
00:33:34,271 --> 00:33:35,567
- You saw Lee Haney on there.
746
00:33:35,567 --> 00:33:36,971
"I trained harder, I ate smarter
747
00:33:36,971 --> 00:33:38,426
and used Twinlab supplements."
748
00:33:38,426 --> 00:33:39,423
You saw that.
749
00:33:39,423 --> 00:33:41,183
But they were also marketing athletes.
750
00:33:41,183 --> 00:33:43,622
They also had tons of products
that were for the mainstream.
751
00:33:43,622 --> 00:33:46,361
Potassium, minerals,
Ripped Fuel, other things
752
00:33:46,361 --> 00:33:48,727
that were really not meant
specifically for bodybuilders.
753
00:33:48,727 --> 00:33:51,170
Weider on the other
hand, really did target
754
00:33:51,170 --> 00:33:53,720
and market the bodybuilding lifestyle.
755
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,285
He had the protein drink on the beach
756
00:33:55,285 --> 00:33:57,687
with the babe next to you and big muscles.
757
00:33:57,687 --> 00:33:58,968
And you know, I wanna be like Arnold
758
00:33:58,968 --> 00:34:00,567
and I wanna be like this and that.
759
00:34:00,567 --> 00:34:02,441
So that was kinda the main difference
760
00:34:02,441 --> 00:34:05,322
and it worked for both
of them at that time.
761
00:34:05,322 --> 00:34:09,943
- Twinlab focused more on the
benefits up front as I recall
762
00:34:09,943 --> 00:34:11,722
and not on the actual athlete.
763
00:34:11,722 --> 00:34:14,143
And they started to
weave in the appearance
764
00:34:14,143 --> 00:34:16,179
and elements of science and jargon.
765
00:34:16,179 --> 00:34:18,444
They made it sound cutting-edge,
766
00:34:18,444 --> 00:34:21,909
revolutionary and
different and I want that.
767
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:22,909
That's cool.
768
00:34:23,817 --> 00:34:25,061
- The companies were realizing
769
00:34:25,061 --> 00:34:27,878
that bodybuilders
weren't just blue-collar.
770
00:34:27,878 --> 00:34:31,755
There were many many aspects
behind the bodybuilder
771
00:34:31,755 --> 00:34:34,581
in a sense of what their job
and what profession they were.
772
00:34:34,581 --> 00:34:35,998
They were doctors or lawyers.
773
00:34:35,998 --> 00:34:37,471
They were construction workers.
774
00:34:37,471 --> 00:34:40,638
The notion that bodybuilders were dumb
775
00:34:41,578 --> 00:34:43,380
was going out the window
776
00:34:43,380 --> 00:34:45,199
and so they wanted to
be a little more smart
777
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,297
about how they approached
taking their supplements.
778
00:34:48,297 --> 00:34:50,616
- Look, this is me before Cybergenics
779
00:34:50,616 --> 00:34:52,331
and this is me after.
780
00:34:52,331 --> 00:34:55,414
(retro techno music)
781
00:34:59,402 --> 00:35:01,986
- The company that disrupted
those two companies
782
00:35:01,986 --> 00:35:05,599
was actually Cybergenics, L&S Research
783
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,283
which was owned by Scott
Chinery at the time.
784
00:35:08,283 --> 00:35:11,602
They had been the first
company to market science
785
00:35:11,602 --> 00:35:13,362
in the supplement industry.
786
00:35:13,362 --> 00:35:14,721
If you go back and look at them,
787
00:35:14,721 --> 00:35:17,319
they had aggressive before
and after advertising
788
00:35:17,319 --> 00:35:19,218
and they had a kit that was only available
789
00:35:19,218 --> 00:35:20,541
through mail order.
790
00:35:20,541 --> 00:35:23,122
- The first supplement that
I saw was in a magazine ad.
791
00:35:23,122 --> 00:35:25,397
It was Cybergenics, the before and after
792
00:35:25,397 --> 00:35:28,701
and it came with a kit and a VHS video.
793
00:35:28,701 --> 00:35:30,999
And I remember purchasing that kit
794
00:35:30,999 --> 00:35:33,639
thinkin' it was gonna get
me from that before picture
795
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:36,079
that I saw in the commercial
to the after picture
796
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:37,594
of the guy with the huge legs.
797
00:35:37,594 --> 00:35:39,122
I could still picture it now.
798
00:35:39,122 --> 00:35:42,176
I thought okay, that is my
surefire way to move forward
799
00:35:42,176 --> 00:35:43,514
and be that after-picture.
800
00:35:43,514 --> 00:35:44,715
Didn't work out that way.
801
00:35:44,715 --> 00:35:46,060
- You know I enjoy performing,
802
00:35:46,060 --> 00:35:47,998
but I also enjoy working out.
803
00:35:47,998 --> 00:35:49,554
That's why I go to
General Nutrition Centers
804
00:35:49,554 --> 00:35:51,389
and get Cybergenics Phase 1.
805
00:35:51,389 --> 00:35:52,976
Hey if this guy can do it, you can do it.
806
00:35:52,976 --> 00:35:54,878
Get Cybergenics at GNC,
807
00:35:54,878 --> 00:35:56,559
the authority in sports
nutrition products.
808
00:35:56,559 --> 00:35:59,327
- Cybergenics didn't work for me.
809
00:35:59,327 --> 00:36:02,371
I found out many years later a supplement
810
00:36:02,371 --> 00:36:05,091
wasn't gonna work unless I did.
811
00:36:05,091 --> 00:36:08,313
- And I remember first seeing the ads
812
00:36:08,313 --> 00:36:11,407
with the yellow Lamborghini
Diablo on the beach
813
00:36:11,407 --> 00:36:13,957
somewhere in the New Jersey shore
814
00:36:13,957 --> 00:36:15,929
and the guy that was all jacked-up
815
00:36:15,929 --> 00:36:18,848
and the girls with the
implants on both shoulders,
816
00:36:18,848 --> 00:36:21,731
I thought okay no, this is not real.
817
00:36:21,731 --> 00:36:22,729
This can't work.
818
00:36:22,729 --> 00:36:24,590
It's too good to be true.
819
00:36:24,590 --> 00:36:26,809
I think what Cybergenics did
820
00:36:26,809 --> 00:36:29,513
at least from my vista of the world
821
00:36:29,513 --> 00:36:32,472
was that I saw that in drugstores
822
00:36:32,472 --> 00:36:34,786
and I had never seen
any nutrition products.
823
00:36:34,786 --> 00:36:37,345
Maybe there were some Weider
products you could see.
824
00:36:37,345 --> 00:36:40,987
The Cybergenics brand in
drugstores was revolutionary.
825
00:36:40,987 --> 00:36:42,320
Wow, that's big.
826
00:36:43,926 --> 00:36:45,432
- The thing that really got me
827
00:36:45,432 --> 00:36:48,595
about Cybergenics as to why I bought it
828
00:36:48,595 --> 00:36:50,370
was that they made it very simple for you.
829
00:36:50,370 --> 00:36:51,715
They put it all into one kit
830
00:36:51,715 --> 00:36:53,854
and they go okay this is
your bodybuilding kit.
831
00:36:53,854 --> 00:36:55,155
This is all you need, everything.
832
00:36:55,155 --> 00:36:56,619
You got your supplements,
you got your training guide,
833
00:36:56,619 --> 00:36:57,777
you got your diet guide.
834
00:36:57,777 --> 00:36:59,359
So if you follow this plan to the T,
835
00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:00,957
you're gonna get great results.
836
00:37:00,957 --> 00:37:01,845
I did.
837
00:37:01,845 --> 00:37:03,256
I followed it to a T.
838
00:37:03,256 --> 00:37:05,349
I got great results, but
I trained like a madman.
839
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:06,856
It was my time to grow
840
00:37:06,856 --> 00:37:08,903
'cause I was severely
underweight at the time
841
00:37:08,903 --> 00:37:10,403
and I beasted out.
842
00:37:13,736 --> 00:37:16,534
- [Alex] At this point,
Los Angeles was my new home
843
00:37:16,534 --> 00:37:17,861
and it was just a matter of time
844
00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:21,436
before Hollywood recognized
my thespian talents.
845
00:37:21,436 --> 00:37:23,246
♪ It's raining men ♪
846
00:37:23,246 --> 00:37:24,700
- [Announcer] Cable Access Channel 96
847
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:26,797
presents "Men On Cooking."
848
00:37:26,797 --> 00:37:29,256
- [Alex] And only the best
roles were offered to me.
849
00:37:29,256 --> 00:37:30,366
- What's your name?
850
00:37:30,366 --> 00:37:31,418
- Richard.
851
00:37:31,418 --> 00:37:33,011
- I bet they call you Dick for short.
852
00:37:33,011 --> 00:37:36,301
Could you put that in my car please?
853
00:37:36,301 --> 00:37:38,144
Would you put this in my car for me?
854
00:37:38,144 --> 00:37:40,991
- [Both] Two snaps and wipe your mouth.
855
00:37:40,991 --> 00:37:42,415
(speaking foreign language)
856
00:37:42,415 --> 00:37:45,253
- [Man] Actually, I feel very
bad about the whole incident.
857
00:37:45,253 --> 00:37:47,802
- [Man] An American was sitting
next to me in a cafe in Rome
858
00:37:47,802 --> 00:37:50,004
- I just gotta look at the time.
859
00:37:50,004 --> 00:37:51,459
(speaking foreign language)
860
00:37:51,459 --> 00:37:52,978
- [Man] I could see a if there
were a fly buzzing around,
861
00:37:52,978 --> 00:37:54,811
but I did not see one.
862
00:37:55,648 --> 00:37:58,137
- [Announcer] Even a knuckle
sandwich isn't a sandwich
863
00:37:58,137 --> 00:38:00,028
without the tangy zip of Miracle Whip.
864
00:38:00,028 --> 00:38:03,055
- But it doesn't have any
breasts, just nuggets.
865
00:38:03,055 --> 00:38:06,818
(audience laughing)
866
00:38:06,818 --> 00:38:08,499
- Hey, is Kelly home?
867
00:38:08,499 --> 00:38:09,502
- I'm ready, I'm ready.
868
00:38:09,502 --> 00:38:12,502
(audience laughing)
869
00:38:15,398 --> 00:38:16,231
- Whoa!
870
00:38:17,655 --> 00:38:20,099
- [Kelly] Hey, I still have a nice body.
871
00:38:20,099 --> 00:38:23,539
- [Alex] But I felt I found
another calling in photography.
872
00:38:23,539 --> 00:38:25,758
Arnold's favorite
photographer Artie Zeller
873
00:38:25,758 --> 00:38:27,779
inspired me to keep shooting
874
00:38:27,779 --> 00:38:29,278
and I eventually started working
875
00:38:29,278 --> 00:38:32,979
for all the bodybuilding publications.
876
00:38:32,979 --> 00:38:35,694
Magazines around the world
were publishing my images
877
00:38:35,694 --> 00:38:37,838
and giving me assignments to shoot
878
00:38:37,838 --> 00:38:39,459
the world's greatest bodybuilders
879
00:38:39,459 --> 00:38:42,201
and fitness models for their covers.
880
00:38:42,201 --> 00:38:46,998
After 1,500 covers published,
I just stopped counting them.
881
00:38:46,998 --> 00:38:49,598
I had the honor of being
featured on the cover,
882
00:38:49,598 --> 00:38:51,881
in addition to having my editorial work
883
00:38:51,881 --> 00:38:53,871
published in the same magazines.
884
00:38:53,871 --> 00:38:57,454
(soft inspirational music)
885
00:39:03,317 --> 00:39:05,504
Advertising proved to
be a lot more creative
886
00:39:05,504 --> 00:39:10,254
and of course I gravitated
towards some of the companies.
887
00:39:12,062 --> 00:39:14,702
One of my clients at the
time was Bill Phillips,
888
00:39:14,702 --> 00:39:16,796
a controversial figure to some people.
889
00:39:16,796 --> 00:39:18,155
But to me, it was apparent that
890
00:39:18,155 --> 00:39:20,998
he was a visionary who
understood his audience
891
00:39:20,998 --> 00:39:25,998
and wanted to create the
next chapter in the industry.
892
00:39:26,139 --> 00:39:27,857
He was what Joe Weider would've been
893
00:39:27,857 --> 00:39:31,158
if he were a young man in 1994.
894
00:39:31,158 --> 00:39:34,650
(soft rock music)
895
00:39:34,650 --> 00:39:36,361
- So Bill Phillips created a newsletter
896
00:39:36,361 --> 00:39:39,059
that had developed a great following.
897
00:39:39,059 --> 00:39:42,509
He formed a partnership with Jeff Everson,
898
00:39:42,509 --> 00:39:45,118
Lee Labrada, Dr. Scott Connelly
899
00:39:45,118 --> 00:39:47,619
and the four of them were involved
900
00:39:47,619 --> 00:39:51,481
in helping to launch a
product line called MET-Rx.
901
00:39:51,481 --> 00:39:53,674
This was a really good combination
902
00:39:53,674 --> 00:39:55,641
because Jeff had a publishing background
903
00:39:55,641 --> 00:39:57,817
being the editor-in-chief
of Muscle & Fitness
904
00:39:57,817 --> 00:40:01,337
and you had Lee Labrada who
was on the top of his game
905
00:40:01,337 --> 00:40:02,961
as a competitor bodybuilder
906
00:40:02,961 --> 00:40:05,403
and you had Phillips
who was amazing marketer
907
00:40:05,403 --> 00:40:07,836
and had a loyal audience
with his magazine.
908
00:40:07,836 --> 00:40:11,118
And Scott Connelly was one of
the smartest protein experts
909
00:40:11,118 --> 00:40:12,681
that had ever come in the industry.
910
00:40:12,681 --> 00:40:14,878
Even since then, I don't
know anyone who's come in
911
00:40:14,878 --> 00:40:17,641
with more knowledge than what
he has come to the table with.
912
00:40:17,641 --> 00:40:19,358
And the product was actually very good.
913
00:40:19,358 --> 00:40:21,598
The original product was phenomenal.
914
00:40:21,598 --> 00:40:24,398
So they used this vehicle
that they had to market this
915
00:40:24,398 --> 00:40:26,680
and it was all direct-to-consumer,
916
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,472
which was phenomenal because
the margins were healthier.
917
00:40:29,472 --> 00:40:33,299
- Well MET-Rx was I think a game-changer.
918
00:40:33,299 --> 00:40:34,817
It just changed the whole industry
919
00:40:34,817 --> 00:40:37,332
and behind that was Bill Phillips.
920
00:40:37,332 --> 00:40:39,859
So he then developed the book on,
921
00:40:39,859 --> 00:40:42,057
I believe it was the supplement guide,
922
00:40:42,057 --> 00:40:44,521
on every supplement in the industry.
923
00:40:44,521 --> 00:40:45,975
He didn't leave anything out.
924
00:40:45,975 --> 00:40:48,718
Not only did he have his own,
but he had everybody else's.
925
00:40:48,718 --> 00:40:51,877
So he didn't leave anyone
out, he included them.
926
00:40:51,877 --> 00:40:55,335
- I was told that you know
MET-Rx was so complete
927
00:40:55,335 --> 00:40:58,372
as far as nutrition goes
that you can live on it;
928
00:40:58,372 --> 00:40:59,619
and I tried that.
929
00:40:59,619 --> 00:41:01,313
I wanted to lose some body fat, so I said,
930
00:41:01,313 --> 00:41:04,775
"Okay, I'm gonna live on this
stuff and see what happens."
931
00:41:04,775 --> 00:41:07,497
So I lived on it for three months.
932
00:41:07,497 --> 00:41:09,664
I had no food, just MET-Rx
933
00:41:10,553 --> 00:41:13,813
and I wound up losing 40 pounds.
934
00:41:13,813 --> 00:41:17,254
I got about six inches off my waist
935
00:41:17,254 --> 00:41:22,254
and I lost surprising little
muscle, very little muscle.
936
00:41:22,377 --> 00:41:24,878
- I believed in MET-Rx so much
937
00:41:24,878 --> 00:41:26,937
that I would probably
punch somebody in the face
938
00:41:26,937 --> 00:41:29,934
if they tried to take it
away from me. (chuckles)
939
00:41:29,934 --> 00:41:32,203
Not one product today can compare
940
00:41:32,203 --> 00:41:35,536
to what MET-Rx was back in 1992 to 1994.
941
00:41:37,518 --> 00:41:42,101
It was not available anywhere
in the world like MET-Rx.
942
00:41:43,038 --> 00:41:46,179
Whatever was in those products
in the Base and the Plus,
943
00:41:46,179 --> 00:41:49,891
it made physiques look
even more incredible.
944
00:41:49,891 --> 00:41:53,918
- My body fat was 2% at 260 pounds.
945
00:41:53,918 --> 00:41:57,097
- MET-Rx with HMB, it does what it says.
946
00:41:57,097 --> 00:41:58,652
- Workout with weights four days a week.
947
00:41:58,652 --> 00:41:59,939
Why can't I get to your size?
948
00:41:59,939 --> 00:42:00,793
- [Man] You know why?
949
00:42:00,793 --> 00:42:01,626
You know why, man?
950
00:42:01,626 --> 00:42:02,459
Do you take creatine?
951
00:42:02,459 --> 00:42:04,310
- I think that's really
just the beginning for EAS.
952
00:42:04,310 --> 00:42:06,890
♪ And I feel like I just ♪
953
00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:10,233
- The EAS story is a product of the union.
954
00:42:10,233 --> 00:42:14,070
It's a consummation of
Edward, myself and me
955
00:42:14,070 --> 00:42:18,009
finding an article that came
out in September of 1992
956
00:42:18,009 --> 00:42:20,131
that showed for the first time ever
957
00:42:20,131 --> 00:42:22,534
that if you take creatine
monohydrate orally,
958
00:42:22,534 --> 00:42:23,929
you'll get more than muscle
959
00:42:23,929 --> 00:42:27,352
and that was a subject of disbelief.
960
00:42:27,352 --> 00:42:29,129
No one in the science world believed it.
961
00:42:29,129 --> 00:42:33,571
So when they submitted
this article to Nature,
962
00:42:33,571 --> 00:42:35,618
the number-one science
journal in the world,
963
00:42:35,618 --> 00:42:37,412
the editor said, "Nope, don't believe it,"
964
00:42:37,412 --> 00:42:39,250
and they rejected it.
965
00:42:39,250 --> 00:42:42,500
And so I told Ed, "We have to do this."
966
00:42:44,365 --> 00:42:47,126
And Ed came up with the
idea, another brilliant idea
967
00:42:47,126 --> 00:42:49,924
of calling Bill Phillips
which is all pre-Internet,
968
00:42:49,924 --> 00:42:53,170
pre-email and saying,
"Bill, we got this product
969
00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:55,341
called creatine monohydrate,
Phosphagen brand.
970
00:42:55,341 --> 00:42:56,885
You gotta try it."
971
00:42:56,885 --> 00:42:58,473
So Ed sent him a case of Phosphagen.
972
00:42:58,473 --> 00:43:02,230
It went under his desk and
stayed there for a whole year.
973
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:06,195
But Bill had the insight
to have James Anderson,
974
00:43:06,195 --> 00:43:10,108
who was his copywriter
for Muscle Media 2000,
975
00:43:10,108 --> 00:43:14,210
to actually look into it and
he interviewed me on the phone.
976
00:43:14,210 --> 00:43:18,588
And then James gets that box
from underneath Bill's desk
977
00:43:18,588 --> 00:43:19,847
and said, "What is that?"
978
00:43:19,847 --> 00:43:21,660
And he asked Bill, "Oh,
that's some creatine stuff
979
00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:23,924
from those guys in California."
980
00:43:23,924 --> 00:43:28,924
So James tries it and a week
later as I've been told,
981
00:43:29,047 --> 00:43:32,268
James said, "What the
bleek is in that stuff?
982
00:43:32,268 --> 00:43:33,764
This is amazing.
983
00:43:33,764 --> 00:43:35,991
I feel like I'm on the juice again."
984
00:43:35,991 --> 00:43:39,260
And so Bill's ears perked up, I was told.
985
00:43:39,260 --> 00:43:41,966
And so that changed the
complexion of the guy
986
00:43:41,966 --> 00:43:43,808
and he had the dynamic of our discussions.
987
00:43:43,808 --> 00:43:48,725
And at that time, Bill and
Scott Connelly were having these
988
00:43:50,530 --> 00:43:52,428
big ram-horned sheep.
989
00:43:52,428 --> 00:43:55,671
And then Ed and I flew out to Golden
990
00:43:55,671 --> 00:43:58,231
and met with Bill in May of '94.
991
00:43:58,231 --> 00:44:00,370
And a month later, we brought on Bill
992
00:44:00,370 --> 00:44:03,730
as an equal partner to us
without any hesitation.
993
00:44:03,730 --> 00:44:07,548
Best business decision we ever made.
994
00:44:07,548 --> 00:44:10,405
(energetic funky music)
995
00:44:10,405 --> 00:44:12,167
- [Announcer] No matter where you go,
996
00:44:12,167 --> 00:44:16,167
you're always gonna be
judged by your appearance
997
00:44:17,607 --> 00:44:22,327
and we're not talkin' about
the color of your socks.
998
00:44:22,327 --> 00:44:24,405
PhosphaGain by EAS.
999
00:44:24,405 --> 00:44:26,551
- What is the most important supplement
1000
00:44:26,551 --> 00:44:29,228
in the last two decades probably?
1001
00:44:29,228 --> 00:44:30,706
I would say it's creatine.
1002
00:44:30,706 --> 00:44:35,671
Now a lotta people are gonna
claim the environment in it,
1003
00:44:35,671 --> 00:44:38,415
but I can tell you from my
side how everything happened.
1004
00:44:38,415 --> 00:44:42,087
I was collaborating with Mr.
Bill Phillips at the time
1005
00:44:42,087 --> 00:44:44,327
and I was the first guy that sent him
1006
00:44:44,327 --> 00:44:46,834
injectable version of creatine.
1007
00:44:46,834 --> 00:44:50,210
Neoton from Italy, you know the box
1008
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:52,652
and you know he was
actually, "What is his for?"
1009
00:44:52,652 --> 00:44:53,716
we were writing articles.
1010
00:44:53,716 --> 00:44:55,911
I said like this is
something a lot of Russian,
1011
00:44:55,911 --> 00:44:58,620
Bulgarians, Eastern Germans are using.
1012
00:44:58,620 --> 00:45:00,930
It replenishes your ATP.
1013
00:45:00,930 --> 00:45:02,529
You know it's gonna give
you strength, power.
1014
00:45:02,529 --> 00:45:03,445
Hydrates you.
1015
00:45:03,445 --> 00:45:07,398
It's you know, basically
natural antibiotic also.
1016
00:45:07,398 --> 00:45:11,308
You know so he says, "Don't
you have this in oral form?"
1017
00:45:11,308 --> 00:45:12,871
And I said, "I had never seen it."
1018
00:45:12,871 --> 00:45:15,041
And I remember very well
when he was saying you know,
1019
00:45:15,041 --> 00:45:18,444
"If you can find the oral
version of this supplement,
1020
00:45:18,444 --> 00:45:20,603
then that would make a killing."
1021
00:45:20,603 --> 00:45:23,764
I believe this was '93
when I talked to him
1022
00:45:23,764 --> 00:45:28,555
and I believe '94, '95 creatine
monohydrate came about.
1023
00:45:28,555 --> 00:45:29,844
And I don't know exactly
1024
00:45:29,844 --> 00:45:32,311
who was involved with it in my research.
1025
00:45:32,311 --> 00:45:36,894
But idea about it, I can
guarantee you it came from me.
1026
00:45:38,527 --> 00:45:41,484
- Phosphagen was launched
into the marketplace
1027
00:45:41,484 --> 00:45:43,604
and it just turned it upside down.
1028
00:45:43,604 --> 00:45:45,042
I mean, things have never been the same.
1029
00:45:45,042 --> 00:45:47,684
Phosphagen was probably one
of the most dynamic products
1030
00:45:47,684 --> 00:45:49,588
to ever hit the market.
1031
00:45:49,588 --> 00:45:51,223
- Bill Phillips was one of the guys
1032
00:45:51,223 --> 00:45:54,184
that I studied before I launched Bodycore
1033
00:45:54,184 --> 00:45:59,184
because of the success that
he had in my early years.
1034
00:45:59,188 --> 00:46:02,544
And Bill's strength really in my opinion,
1035
00:46:02,544 --> 00:46:04,466
is his marketing savvy.
1036
00:46:04,466 --> 00:46:07,268
He's a marketing genius when it comes to
1037
00:46:07,268 --> 00:46:10,368
probably whatever he puts his mind to.
1038
00:46:10,368 --> 00:46:12,796
But in this case, it was
health and supplement industry.
1039
00:46:12,796 --> 00:46:16,290
He saw what Weider did
with his publications
1040
00:46:16,290 --> 00:46:19,625
and how it really helped
promote all of his businesses
1041
00:46:19,625 --> 00:46:22,975
and so he came up with
Muscle Media, you know,
1042
00:46:22,975 --> 00:46:25,026
Which was an amazing magazine;
1043
00:46:25,026 --> 00:46:26,807
which promoted all of his stuff.
1044
00:46:26,807 --> 00:46:29,183
And then he decided to
come up with Body for Life
1045
00:46:29,183 --> 00:46:31,986
to make this challenge in this competition
1046
00:46:31,986 --> 00:46:34,236
to help drive sales of EAS.
1047
00:46:35,607 --> 00:46:39,367
- I think Bill touched upon
the different psychographic
1048
00:46:39,367 --> 00:46:41,741
and that psychographic is
I don't wanna be that way.
1049
00:46:41,741 --> 00:46:43,868
I don't wanna become a
competitive bodybuilder.
1050
00:46:43,868 --> 00:46:45,948
I just wanna look better in my clothing
1051
00:46:45,948 --> 00:46:50,129
or without my clothing on or
at the beach and feel strong
1052
00:46:50,129 --> 00:46:54,379
and not have to commit 18
hours a week to get that.
1053
00:46:55,887 --> 00:46:57,287
- Bill Phillips was one of those guys
1054
00:46:57,287 --> 00:47:00,588
when he came around with EAS, it was huge.
1055
00:47:00,588 --> 00:47:03,533
We were all taken and it seemed to work.
1056
00:47:03,533 --> 00:47:06,647
You know I think what made
Bill Phillips so successful
1057
00:47:06,647 --> 00:47:09,151
is his marketing strategy was different.
1058
00:47:09,151 --> 00:47:11,551
He wasn't usin' the top bodybuilders.
1059
00:47:11,551 --> 00:47:14,588
He was usin' athletes
and I think it was comin'
1060
00:47:14,588 --> 00:47:16,122
from a different point of view sometimes
1061
00:47:16,122 --> 00:47:17,570
where not only can you grow,
1062
00:47:17,570 --> 00:47:19,892
but we can help you with your condition.
1063
00:47:19,892 --> 00:47:22,042
So it was little different, but he worked.
1064
00:47:22,042 --> 00:47:24,530
Listen, he did very well for himself.
1065
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:26,596
I remember when he first came to Gold's,
1066
00:47:26,596 --> 00:47:28,883
you know he didn't have much money.
1067
00:47:28,883 --> 00:47:31,238
I think since he was a bodybuilder,
1068
00:47:31,238 --> 00:47:33,788
I think that helped him
creating the products.
1069
00:47:33,788 --> 00:47:35,346
And I think when people looked at him,
1070
00:47:35,346 --> 00:47:36,610
he was in great shape.
1071
00:47:36,610 --> 00:47:37,775
People admired him and say,
1072
00:47:37,775 --> 00:47:41,628
"Hey if this guy created
this, I'm gonna try it."
1073
00:47:41,628 --> 00:47:46,545
- Bill Phillips was a visionary
in that he took our culture
1074
00:47:47,447 --> 00:47:49,197
and he found a way to
1075
00:47:52,546 --> 00:47:57,546
make it open to people that
were never gonna stand on stage
1076
00:47:58,137 --> 00:48:02,047
and that was the tipping
point for this industry.
1077
00:48:02,047 --> 00:48:07,047
He basically opened that door
that hey, I'm a professional.
1078
00:48:07,669 --> 00:48:09,466
You know, I work in an office.
1079
00:48:09,466 --> 00:48:10,308
I'm an attorney.
1080
00:48:10,308 --> 00:48:11,906
I'm this and that and you know what?
1081
00:48:11,906 --> 00:48:13,989
I still love working out.
1082
00:48:15,242 --> 00:48:19,769
I still love you know changing
my physique for the better
1083
00:48:19,769 --> 00:48:23,841
and I'm never gonna get on
stage and that's cool too.
1084
00:48:23,841 --> 00:48:27,588
I think that Joe Weider capitalized on
1085
00:48:27,588 --> 00:48:29,921
his passion for bodybuilding
1086
00:48:30,764 --> 00:48:32,823
and I think that he did a great job
1087
00:48:32,823 --> 00:48:36,992
of creating that tribe, that
community of people like us
1088
00:48:36,992 --> 00:48:38,582
do things like this.
1089
00:48:38,582 --> 00:48:41,207
And you know you use Weider products
1090
00:48:41,207 --> 00:48:44,434
and you aspire to be Sergio Oliva.
1091
00:48:44,434 --> 00:48:48,642
You know, you aspire to
be Arnold Schwarzenegger.
1092
00:48:48,642 --> 00:48:51,922
But what Bill said was you
don't need to wanna be that guy.
1093
00:48:51,922 --> 00:48:54,619
You could be Danny Hester, right?
1094
00:48:54,619 --> 00:48:56,143
Not that Danny Hester's not phenomenal,
1095
00:48:56,143 --> 00:48:58,842
but you could be like
someone more attainable.
1096
00:48:58,842 --> 00:49:00,948
He made it attainable
for the average person
1097
00:49:00,948 --> 00:49:05,948
and I remember being there and
working with EAS at the time.
1098
00:49:06,442 --> 00:49:10,109
And I remember a lot
of heat that came about
1099
00:49:11,523 --> 00:49:13,983
when that transition with
the magazine happened.
1100
00:49:13,983 --> 00:49:17,534
And you had some of the hardcore devotees
1101
00:49:17,534 --> 00:49:21,701
just not be cool and be
aligned with opening it up
1102
00:49:22,666 --> 00:49:26,569
and opening that members-only
club to the non-members.
1103
00:49:26,569 --> 00:49:29,925
He did a lot of people an enormous favor
1104
00:49:29,925 --> 00:49:32,423
by having the guts to do it
1105
00:49:32,423 --> 00:49:35,426
and he really, I think,
is the most responsible
1106
00:49:35,426 --> 00:49:38,007
for the expansion of our industry.
1107
00:49:38,007 --> 00:49:41,543
- By the time Bill got
together with Anthony Almada
1108
00:49:41,543 --> 00:49:42,903
and this is the next combination
1109
00:49:42,903 --> 00:49:44,766
between a science guy, Anthony Almada,
1110
00:49:44,766 --> 00:49:46,927
and Bill Phillips' famous marketing
1111
00:49:46,927 --> 00:49:48,445
that was now even more polished.
1112
00:49:48,445 --> 00:49:51,338
And now Bill Phillips
had Muscle Media 2000,
1113
00:49:51,338 --> 00:49:53,143
which had the most innovative stories
1114
00:49:53,143 --> 00:49:55,247
about supplements and about nutrition
1115
00:49:55,247 --> 00:49:56,943
and they were trying out all.
1116
00:49:56,943 --> 00:49:58,127
They were the first guys to talk about
1117
00:49:58,127 --> 00:50:00,724
high-intensity interval
training 25 years ago.
1118
00:50:00,724 --> 00:50:04,106
I mean these guys are hitting
stuff that has come back
1119
00:50:04,106 --> 00:50:06,033
once or twice or three times since
1120
00:50:06,033 --> 00:50:07,647
and they hit this stuff first.
1121
00:50:07,647 --> 00:50:08,644
They were the first guys.
1122
00:50:08,644 --> 00:50:10,071
They had guys like Dan Duchaine
1123
00:50:10,071 --> 00:50:12,847
and they talk about supplement strategies
1124
00:50:12,847 --> 00:50:15,558
that might mimic the effects of drugs.
1125
00:50:15,558 --> 00:50:18,626
For people that really wanted
you know the best results
1126
00:50:18,626 --> 00:50:20,177
outta their time in the gym,
1127
00:50:20,177 --> 00:50:22,181
these guys were feeding
them all the information
1128
00:50:22,181 --> 00:50:23,623
exactly what they wanted.
1129
00:50:23,623 --> 00:50:26,903
So they became on a pedestal
and they became the guys
1130
00:50:26,903 --> 00:50:29,626
that were properly informing the industry.
1131
00:50:29,626 --> 00:50:31,009
When you get the right science guy
1132
00:50:31,009 --> 00:50:32,386
and the right marketing guy together,
1133
00:50:32,386 --> 00:50:33,732
the sky's the limit back then.
1134
00:50:33,732 --> 00:50:37,315
(soft inspirational music)
1135
00:50:38,964 --> 00:50:43,663
- I believe that Bill Phillips
didn't approach marketing
1136
00:50:43,663 --> 00:50:45,913
like Twinlabs or Universal.
1137
00:50:48,362 --> 00:50:51,402
They were competing against
the Weiders, I believe.
1138
00:50:51,402 --> 00:50:54,152
When EAS is involved from MET-Rx,
1139
00:50:56,780 --> 00:50:59,226
I don't think that Bill
Phillips looked at it as
1140
00:50:59,226 --> 00:51:02,623
I wanna compete against
them, I wanna destroy them.
1141
00:51:02,623 --> 00:51:04,666
He was very competitive and he came up
1142
00:51:04,666 --> 00:51:07,226
with a whole different marketing
scheme than anyone else
1143
00:51:07,226 --> 00:51:09,562
and that was giving a product for free.
1144
00:51:09,562 --> 00:51:11,242
I will give you something for free
1145
00:51:11,242 --> 00:51:13,684
and in return, they
purchase something from him.
1146
00:51:13,684 --> 00:51:18,198
And so when Phosphagen came
out, everybody used it.
1147
00:51:18,198 --> 00:51:20,932
I used it, my brother-in-law
who didn't even compete used it
1148
00:51:20,932 --> 00:51:24,197
and people said it had a tangible feeling.
1149
00:51:24,197 --> 00:51:27,604
When you have a tangible
feeling from a supplement,
1150
00:51:27,604 --> 00:51:29,642
I don't care if it doesn't do anything;
1151
00:51:29,642 --> 00:51:31,304
you're gonna keep taking it.
1152
00:51:31,304 --> 00:51:35,554
So that product would give
people pumps like crazy.
1153
00:51:36,506 --> 00:51:38,186
I wish it was still out in the market,
1154
00:51:38,186 --> 00:51:39,237
I would take it today.
1155
00:51:39,237 --> 00:51:42,151
It was one of the best products ever.
1156
00:51:42,151 --> 00:51:45,023
When you took it, you
trained, you got a pump.
1157
00:51:45,023 --> 00:51:48,063
End of story and you got a result from it.
1158
00:51:48,063 --> 00:51:51,462
- And I will never forget
the day I met Bill Phillips.
1159
00:51:51,462 --> 00:51:53,722
So I go up to the penthouse suite
1160
00:51:53,722 --> 00:51:56,524
and I walk in and Bill
Phillips and Kal Yee
1161
00:51:56,524 --> 00:51:59,010
were sitting in there on a couch.
1162
00:51:59,010 --> 00:52:02,487
And Bill Phillips just
no real introduction,
1163
00:52:02,487 --> 00:52:06,098
he's a very focused, very driven man.
1164
00:52:06,098 --> 00:52:08,108
He said, "Take your shirt off."
1165
00:52:08,108 --> 00:52:09,745
So I said, "Okay."
1166
00:52:09,745 --> 00:52:11,117
I take my shirt off and Kal Yee says,
1167
00:52:11,117 --> 00:52:13,175
"Go stand in the sun right there."
1168
00:52:13,175 --> 00:52:14,466
So I'm like, "All right."
1169
00:52:14,466 --> 00:52:16,327
So I take my shirt off
and I go stand in the sun
1170
00:52:16,327 --> 00:52:21,327
and they're like whispering
back and forth to each other.
1171
00:52:21,801 --> 00:52:25,322
He says, "Go ahead and
take your pants off.
1172
00:52:25,322 --> 00:52:26,887
I need to see your symmetry."
1173
00:52:26,887 --> 00:52:29,781
And I'm like okay, what'd I
get myself into here, you know?
1174
00:52:29,781 --> 00:52:31,364
'Cause I heard all these stories
1175
00:52:31,364 --> 00:52:34,385
about what could happen in the industry.
1176
00:52:34,385 --> 00:52:36,806
But I trusted him, I knew
it was nothin' weird.
1177
00:52:36,806 --> 00:52:37,804
Well I dropped my pants.
1178
00:52:37,804 --> 00:52:39,004
They're havin' me spin in circles
1179
00:52:39,004 --> 00:52:40,373
and they're really
looking at me to the point
1180
00:52:40,373 --> 00:52:43,018
where they said, "Let us see your teeth."
1181
00:52:43,018 --> 00:52:44,903
And I was like.
1182
00:52:44,903 --> 00:52:48,146
So they were looking at me as a commodity,
1183
00:52:48,146 --> 00:52:50,823
as something that they
could put on display
1184
00:52:50,823 --> 00:52:52,226
and that's really what
they were goin' for.
1185
00:52:52,226 --> 00:52:55,182
They were looking for a team of guys
1186
00:52:55,182 --> 00:52:56,957
that could go out and represent this brand
1187
00:52:56,957 --> 00:53:00,026
at trade shows and events
and that's what we did.
1188
00:53:00,026 --> 00:53:02,522
So I was, to my knowledge,
one of the first guys
1189
00:53:02,522 --> 00:53:04,658
to get signed with the
supplement deal with EAS
1190
00:53:04,658 --> 00:53:07,101
and it blew up from there.
1191
00:53:07,101 --> 00:53:09,882
- He really realized that
marketing was critical.
1192
00:53:09,882 --> 00:53:12,246
So what he would actually
do was he would fly in
1193
00:53:12,246 --> 00:53:13,903
some of the top marketers in the world.
1194
00:53:13,903 --> 00:53:15,649
So when we were at EAS offices,
1195
00:53:15,649 --> 00:53:17,023
he'd have Dan Kennedy in there,
1196
00:53:17,023 --> 00:53:19,708
Joe Polish, Ted Nicholas, Anthony Robbins.
1197
00:53:19,708 --> 00:53:21,785
And he would have all these people come in
1198
00:53:21,785 --> 00:53:23,343
and teach them about marketing.
1199
00:53:23,343 --> 00:53:25,809
You never heard this before
from a supplement company
1200
00:53:25,809 --> 00:53:27,468
bringin' in these mainstream people
1201
00:53:27,468 --> 00:53:29,441
who were just marketing geniuses really
1202
00:53:29,441 --> 00:53:31,562
and authors and bestsellers.
1203
00:53:31,562 --> 00:53:36,248
They would bring 'em in and
give us EAS you know employees
1204
00:53:36,248 --> 00:53:38,477
and Bill information about marketing.
1205
00:53:38,477 --> 00:53:41,583
But what he had that was a magic bullet
1206
00:53:41,583 --> 00:53:44,042
was a magazine called Muscle Media
1207
00:53:44,042 --> 00:53:46,117
and initially with Muscle Media 2000.
1208
00:53:46,117 --> 00:53:49,955
And what that did back then for
him was it was a mouthpiece.
1209
00:53:49,955 --> 00:53:52,197
See, back in the day without you know
1210
00:53:52,197 --> 00:53:54,476
Internet and without phones,
1211
00:53:54,476 --> 00:53:56,800
we actually used this
thing called magazines
1212
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,800
and that was used to sell supplements.
1213
00:53:58,800 --> 00:53:59,956
If you didn't have magazines,
1214
00:53:59,956 --> 00:54:00,875
you could not sell supplements.
1215
00:54:00,875 --> 00:54:04,011
TV yes, but magazines were everything.
1216
00:54:04,011 --> 00:54:05,336
Everybody that trained,
1217
00:54:05,336 --> 00:54:08,156
their goal was to make
it in a magazine, right?
1218
00:54:08,156 --> 00:54:10,833
I remember me working at
EAS when I first got there
1219
00:54:10,833 --> 00:54:12,616
and I was competing, bodybuilding.
1220
00:54:12,616 --> 00:54:14,957
My whole goal in my mind was
I gotta get that magazine.
1221
00:54:14,957 --> 00:54:17,115
I gotta be in Muscle Media, man.
1222
00:54:17,115 --> 00:54:18,938
And the first time they
put me in the magazine,
1223
00:54:18,938 --> 00:54:21,416
ooh I told everybody.
1224
00:54:21,416 --> 00:54:22,733
Mama, we made it!
1225
00:54:22,733 --> 00:54:24,493
And I would carry that magazine in my car
1226
00:54:24,493 --> 00:54:25,896
and I would carry it everywhere.
1227
00:54:25,896 --> 00:54:26,867
I'd show the guys at the gym.
1228
00:54:26,867 --> 00:54:27,717
I'd be like, "Guys, look it.
1229
00:54:27,717 --> 00:54:29,251
I'm in you know Muscle Media.
1230
00:54:29,251 --> 00:54:31,214
I mean, you see that spread?"
1231
00:54:31,214 --> 00:54:34,816
So it was a proud moment for
me, but that's what he did.
1232
00:54:34,816 --> 00:54:38,451
He actually used the
magazine to sell his products
1233
00:54:38,451 --> 00:54:40,956
and what he realized
was the more you tell,
1234
00:54:40,956 --> 00:54:42,294
the more you sell.
1235
00:54:42,294 --> 00:54:44,462
- He put integrity in his products.
1236
00:54:44,462 --> 00:54:47,022
He was concerned about the consumer
1237
00:54:47,022 --> 00:54:50,038
and he had research and development
1238
00:54:50,038 --> 00:54:52,337
to get the next best product.
1239
00:54:52,337 --> 00:54:53,548
So when you add integrity to his products,
1240
00:54:53,548 --> 00:54:54,922
if you had an EAS muscle shake
1241
00:54:54,922 --> 00:54:56,669
and you compared it to anything else,
1242
00:54:56,669 --> 00:55:00,029
I mean this greater
protein was triple A plus
1243
00:55:00,029 --> 00:55:01,283
you know what I mean?
1244
00:55:01,283 --> 00:55:04,998
'Cause everything that he
marketed, he took himself.
1245
00:55:04,998 --> 00:55:07,398
Everything he sold, he took himself.
1246
00:55:07,398 --> 00:55:08,476
So he wouldn't give out junk
1247
00:55:08,476 --> 00:55:11,334
'cause he wanted to be a living
testament to his products.
1248
00:55:11,334 --> 00:55:13,014
And that's why he got a whole bunch
1249
00:55:13,014 --> 00:55:14,499
of just fit guys and fit girls
1250
00:55:14,499 --> 00:55:18,275
and we kinda like the
catalyst to get things goin'.
1251
00:55:18,275 --> 00:55:19,857
The research and
development was excellent.
1252
00:55:19,857 --> 00:55:22,577
He probably had the best
scientists workin' for him.
1253
00:55:22,577 --> 00:55:25,374
He put on studies throughout
the world, not just in America.
1254
00:55:25,374 --> 00:55:28,231
I mean he had studies in
London, over in Spain,
1255
00:55:28,231 --> 00:55:30,116
over in I think Asia.
1256
00:55:30,116 --> 00:55:31,961
I mean, he really researched product.
1257
00:55:31,961 --> 00:55:34,210
And the other thing, component was Bill,
1258
00:55:34,210 --> 00:55:36,313
who was just to me, he was
just a genius in the field
1259
00:55:36,313 --> 00:55:39,173
'cause he always looked
for the next best product.
1260
00:55:39,173 --> 00:55:41,671
And he was the first guy to
actually market creatine,
1261
00:55:41,671 --> 00:55:45,364
which was out there for years
and he saw the benefits.
1262
00:55:45,364 --> 00:55:48,100
To me, it was like why
wouldn't anyone else do it?
1263
00:55:48,100 --> 00:55:49,918
He recognized the benefits
and he'd market it
1264
00:55:49,918 --> 00:55:51,353
and it was great.
1265
00:55:51,353 --> 00:55:53,692
And creatine was a supplement
you got an instant response,
1266
00:55:53,692 --> 00:55:55,196
so it worked great.
1267
00:55:55,196 --> 00:55:56,900
Again, everything he put his name on
1268
00:55:56,900 --> 00:56:00,297
was an amazing product
and he guaranteed results.
1269
00:56:00,297 --> 00:56:03,438
- And his first introduction
into the supplement industry
1270
00:56:03,438 --> 00:56:05,765
was actually not his company.
1271
00:56:05,765 --> 00:56:08,281
It was a company called Calpharm
1272
00:56:08,281 --> 00:56:12,827
and that's how I got introduced
to the whole EAS movement,
1273
00:56:12,827 --> 00:56:15,700
which is a whole 'nother
topic on creatine.
1274
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:19,436
But he started to help
promote this Calpharm creatine
1275
00:56:19,436 --> 00:56:22,562
that I was manufacturing for them.
1276
00:56:22,562 --> 00:56:25,122
And over a course of a year and a half,
1277
00:56:25,122 --> 00:56:27,177
I think Bill saw how lucrative it was
1278
00:56:27,177 --> 00:56:29,425
and how much money was being generated;
1279
00:56:29,425 --> 00:56:33,142
that he now had a great
following with that magazine.
1280
00:56:33,142 --> 00:56:35,403
He developed, I don't wanna say a cult,
1281
00:56:35,403 --> 00:56:38,297
but people just really
admired what he wrote about.
1282
00:56:38,297 --> 00:56:41,300
Again, he was a genius, well-educated
1283
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:43,518
and he talked the language.
1284
00:56:43,518 --> 00:56:47,238
And now we see direct
marketing to consumers
1285
00:56:47,238 --> 00:56:49,895
where prior, you know Weider really went
1286
00:56:49,895 --> 00:56:52,638
more through the store chains.
1287
00:56:52,638 --> 00:56:55,881
- He would every month send
us a big box of supplements
1288
00:56:55,881 --> 00:56:57,700
in anything we wanted.
1289
00:56:57,700 --> 00:56:59,477
That guy was on top of it like that.
1290
00:56:59,477 --> 00:57:02,641
Anytime you flew anywhere,
you were flying in style.
1291
00:57:02,641 --> 00:57:04,561
You got picked up in limousines.
1292
00:57:04,561 --> 00:57:06,436
You were treated the absolute best.
1293
00:57:06,436 --> 00:57:09,201
Bill Phillips knew how to
take care of his people, man.
1294
00:57:09,201 --> 00:57:12,081
And I'm forever grateful for
that experience in my life.
1295
00:57:12,081 --> 00:57:14,977
- And you know, he really
understood his market.
1296
00:57:14,977 --> 00:57:16,645
He understood that he needed
to get into the household
1297
00:57:16,645 --> 00:57:17,936
of the everyday people.
1298
00:57:17,936 --> 00:57:19,195
He wanted to reach out to people
1299
00:57:19,195 --> 00:57:20,293
that wanted to get in shape.
1300
00:57:20,293 --> 00:57:22,352
Most people wanna drop
weight and get toned.
1301
00:57:22,352 --> 00:57:24,213
They don't wanna get
huge like bodybuilders.
1302
00:57:24,213 --> 00:57:25,480
And he understood that very well
1303
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,907
and everything that he did
was to set up his business
1304
00:57:27,907 --> 00:57:29,946
to actually tap into that market.
1305
00:57:29,946 --> 00:57:30,950
- [Announcer] Since 1993.
1306
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:32,276
- [Woman] Designer Whey.
1307
00:57:32,276 --> 00:57:35,330
- [Announcer] New Designer Protein.
1308
00:57:35,330 --> 00:57:37,229
- David Jenkins was a
pioneer in the industry
1309
00:57:37,229 --> 00:57:40,007
because he brought a product
out called Designer Whey.
1310
00:57:40,007 --> 00:57:42,313
That was a instantized whey protein,
1311
00:57:42,313 --> 00:57:45,746
low-carb, low-fat, very easy to digest.
1312
00:57:45,746 --> 00:57:47,628
Very expensive at the time.
1313
00:57:47,628 --> 00:57:50,087
Jenkins was a former silver
medalist in the Olympics,
1314
00:57:50,087 --> 00:57:52,991
I believe two times and I
believe he was a food scientist.
1315
00:57:52,991 --> 00:57:54,324
Really had the academics
1316
00:57:54,324 --> 00:57:56,465
as well as he had the
practical understanding
1317
00:57:56,465 --> 00:57:58,253
of what athletes were looking for.
1318
00:57:58,253 --> 00:58:02,521
- We were the first guys
to instantize whey protein.
1319
00:58:02,521 --> 00:58:05,771
Very slow to begin, but I advertised it
1320
00:58:08,130 --> 00:58:11,047
in Bill Phillips' Muscle Media 2000
1321
00:58:12,653 --> 00:58:14,994
and the phone starts ringing.
1322
00:58:14,994 --> 00:58:18,366
Bill said this marketing
was the best we could do
1323
00:58:18,366 --> 00:58:21,570
and we done Ultimate Orange at that time.
1324
00:58:21,570 --> 00:58:23,931
We branded it, started sellin' it
1325
00:58:23,931 --> 00:58:28,594
and then used a local agency
to package it differently.
1326
00:58:28,594 --> 00:58:30,844
I mean, we were in plastic.
1327
00:58:31,954 --> 00:58:33,330
People like Champion and others
1328
00:58:33,330 --> 00:58:35,852
and Weider were all in cans,
1329
00:58:35,852 --> 00:58:38,649
so there was a differentiation
for a local agency
1330
00:58:38,649 --> 00:58:40,184
and they branded it really different
1331
00:58:40,184 --> 00:58:42,130
in colors and this and that.
1332
00:58:42,130 --> 00:58:43,603
We moved to another agency in Bramley
1333
00:58:43,603 --> 00:58:45,520
and it really took off.
1334
00:58:47,476 --> 00:58:49,791
It really really took off.
1335
00:58:49,791 --> 00:58:51,275
- Over time, he launched
1336
00:58:51,275 --> 00:58:54,831
a pre-workout powder
called Ultimate Orange
1337
00:58:54,831 --> 00:58:56,876
and this was the first pre-workout powder
1338
00:58:56,876 --> 00:58:58,575
that I'm aware of in the industry.
1339
00:58:58,575 --> 00:59:01,426
Although, there was things
you could take like Ener-Carb
1340
00:59:01,426 --> 00:59:03,420
that Joe Weider created years ago
1341
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:05,034
as a ready-to-drink.
1342
00:59:05,034 --> 00:59:06,941
This was the first traditional
1343
00:59:06,941 --> 00:59:10,648
caffeine/ephedrine-based pre-workout
1344
00:59:10,648 --> 00:59:13,391
that kinda led the market.
1345
00:59:13,391 --> 00:59:15,256
- What the great part
about Ultimate Orange was
1346
00:59:15,256 --> 00:59:17,514
I was there when it was
really being formulated.
1347
00:59:17,514 --> 00:59:19,711
I met Deshane, we worked
a little bit together
1348
00:59:19,711 --> 00:59:22,693
when I was back with EAS
and we saw the formulation
1349
00:59:22,693 --> 00:59:23,879
for Ultimate Orange.
1350
00:59:23,879 --> 00:59:26,107
When I first took it, I really
thought it was rocket fuel.
1351
00:59:26,107 --> 00:59:28,031
I thought my heart was gonna explode.
1352
00:59:28,031 --> 00:59:29,903
I mean I had the greatest
workout of my life.
1353
00:59:29,903 --> 00:59:33,319
But my god, the energy was
off-the-charts, off-the-meter.
1354
00:59:33,319 --> 00:59:36,015
These are the days of caffeine, right?
1355
00:59:36,015 --> 00:59:37,840
These are the days of just coffee.
1356
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,749
And not even Starbucks,
but Dunkin' Donuts.
1357
00:59:40,749 --> 00:59:42,421
We had coffee at you know Taco Bell,
1358
00:59:42,421 --> 00:59:44,690
all these places we could
get coffee at, right?
1359
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:46,493
There was not even any
Starbucks or anything like that.
1360
00:59:46,493 --> 00:59:49,453
So taking Ultimate Orange was literally
1361
00:59:49,453 --> 00:59:52,436
you felt like you were takin'
like diesel, like rocket fuel.
1362
00:59:52,436 --> 00:59:54,538
It was one of the strongest pre-workouts
1363
00:59:54,538 --> 00:59:57,180
before there were pre-workouts made.
1364
00:59:57,180 --> 00:59:58,643
And I think what was unique about it
1365
00:59:58,643 --> 01:00:00,269
is it'd taste like Tang
1366
01:00:00,269 --> 01:00:01,387
and that was the kinda sell about it
1367
01:00:01,387 --> 01:00:03,728
is it'd taste like Tang,
it launches your workout
1368
01:00:03,728 --> 01:00:05,139
and it really helped people
1369
01:00:05,139 --> 01:00:07,787
get further along in
their workout program.
1370
01:00:07,787 --> 01:00:09,261
- Ultimate Orange in my opinion
1371
01:00:09,261 --> 01:00:12,864
was really the big, big
pre-workout to hit the market.
1372
01:00:12,864 --> 01:00:15,337
It tasted like crap.
1373
01:00:15,337 --> 01:00:16,170
It was weird.
1374
01:00:16,170 --> 01:00:18,819
It was like kind of a mix of crushed up
1375
01:00:18,819 --> 01:00:21,724
orange Flintstone vitamins
and just kinda like
1376
01:00:21,724 --> 01:00:25,244
a nasty generic orange
Tang power mix, you know?
1377
01:00:25,244 --> 01:00:28,246
But we didn't taste stuff like that.
1378
01:00:28,246 --> 01:00:30,100
And the promise was listen,
1379
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:31,739
you're gonna take this Ultimate Orange
1380
01:00:31,739 --> 01:00:33,314
and you're gonna be on fire in the gym
1381
01:00:33,314 --> 01:00:34,660
and you're gonna be focused
1382
01:00:34,660 --> 01:00:36,121
and you're gonna have all this energy.
1383
01:00:36,121 --> 01:00:40,036
And it blew up and this
stuff was like crack to us.
1384
01:00:40,036 --> 01:00:44,439
- Ultimate Orange started
almost similar to MET-Rx.
1385
01:00:44,439 --> 01:00:47,996
It was developed by a
guy named Mike Zumpano,
1386
01:00:47,996 --> 01:00:49,652
who later on started his own company
1387
01:00:49,652 --> 01:00:51,537
called Champion Nutrition.
1388
01:00:51,537 --> 01:00:55,057
His flagship product for
Champion was called Metabolol,
1389
01:00:55,057 --> 01:00:56,817
which coincidentally was supposed to be
1390
01:00:56,817 --> 01:00:59,159
the original name for MET-Rx.
1391
01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:00,710
Him and Connelly knew each other.
1392
01:01:00,710 --> 01:01:02,817
Zumpano was actually
living in an apartment
1393
01:01:02,817 --> 01:01:06,281
above Gold's Gym in Venice and
he gave it out to the people
1394
01:01:06,281 --> 01:01:09,364
at Gold's Gym for free to try it out.
1395
01:01:09,364 --> 01:01:13,857
And sure enough, you know he
said it was like a pre-workout.
1396
01:01:13,857 --> 01:01:17,260
It would really get 'em through
their workout and it did.
1397
01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:19,217
It became very popular.
1398
01:01:19,217 --> 01:01:22,439
So later on, I don't think that Zumpano
1399
01:01:22,439 --> 01:01:24,039
ever marketed Ultimate Orange.
1400
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:26,710
But what would happen
was that Dan Duchaine,
1401
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:30,914
he got involved with a
company called Next Nutrition.
1402
01:01:30,914 --> 01:01:34,041
And Next Nutrition, they
also came on the scene
1403
01:01:34,041 --> 01:01:38,218
around the same time as
EAS in the early '90s.
1404
01:01:38,218 --> 01:01:41,153
But anyway, Next Nutrition came out
1405
01:01:41,153 --> 01:01:44,414
with a commercialized
version of Ultimate Orange.
1406
01:01:44,414 --> 01:01:47,779
Dan Duchaine brought it
over to Next Nutrition.
1407
01:01:47,779 --> 01:01:52,779
Unfortunately the original
formula would contain ephedrine.
1408
01:01:52,796 --> 01:01:56,455
Ephedrine was derived from
a herb called ma huang.
1409
01:01:56,455 --> 01:01:59,297
Ephedrine got into some trouble later on
1410
01:01:59,297 --> 01:02:01,686
in the late '90s, early 2000s
1411
01:02:01,686 --> 01:02:04,281
because it was supposedly linked
1412
01:02:04,281 --> 01:02:07,329
to heart attacks and strokes,
which I never believed.
1413
01:02:07,329 --> 01:02:08,580
I investigated it.
1414
01:02:08,580 --> 01:02:11,432
I believe it was almost all bogus.
1415
01:02:11,432 --> 01:02:14,820
Because unless you had preexisting
cardiovascular problems,
1416
01:02:14,820 --> 01:02:16,156
ephedrine was safe.
1417
01:02:16,156 --> 01:02:18,076
I used ephedrine for many years myself,
1418
01:02:18,076 --> 01:02:19,413
never had a single problem.
1419
01:02:19,413 --> 01:02:21,492
But Ultimate Orange basically lasted
1420
01:02:21,492 --> 01:02:24,337
until the ephedrine was
pulled off the market
1421
01:02:24,337 --> 01:02:26,599
by the Food and Drug Administration
1422
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:30,276
and then Ultimate Orange just
kinda disappeared after that.
1423
01:02:30,276 --> 01:02:33,776
(energetic hip-hop music)
1424
01:02:35,937 --> 01:02:38,564
- Hot Stuff was another
innovator that disrupted things
1425
01:02:38,564 --> 01:02:41,735
because they created
the all-in-one concept.
1426
01:02:41,735 --> 01:02:43,575
So with all these different ingredients
1427
01:02:43,575 --> 01:02:45,404
that the consumers wanted to be in,
1428
01:02:45,404 --> 01:02:46,342
they wanted to be on Boron,
1429
01:02:46,342 --> 01:02:48,080
they wanted to be on (indistinct).
1430
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,579
They wanted to be on
Smilax, Siberian ginseng.
1431
01:02:50,579 --> 01:02:52,342
They wanted to be on all these things.
1432
01:02:52,342 --> 01:02:53,839
What this clever marketer did
1433
01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:55,499
was they just put it all into one
1434
01:02:55,499 --> 01:02:57,958
and said, "Why use 50 different products
1435
01:02:57,958 --> 01:03:01,716
when you could just take
one and get great results?"
1436
01:03:01,716 --> 01:03:04,422
- (chuckles) Hot Stuff was one
of the most unique products
1437
01:03:04,422 --> 01:03:05,840
I have ever taken.
1438
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,182
Listen, you would pour Hot
Stuff into a cup of water
1439
01:03:08,182 --> 01:03:12,118
and just all kinda stuff would
be floating around in it.
1440
01:03:12,118 --> 01:03:14,358
And it was all these different ingredients
1441
01:03:14,358 --> 01:03:16,691
and it was hellish to drink.
1442
01:03:17,638 --> 01:03:19,439
Everyone was takin' Ultimate Orange
1443
01:03:19,439 --> 01:03:22,294
and they were takin' Hot Stuff.
1444
01:03:22,294 --> 01:03:23,424
- Hot Stuff, we'd call it
1445
01:03:23,424 --> 01:03:27,062
everything and the sink with the kitchen.
1446
01:03:27,062 --> 01:03:29,345
We thought there can't be
this many ingredients in there
1447
01:03:29,345 --> 01:03:30,578
in these amounts.
1448
01:03:30,578 --> 01:03:32,411
The math doesn't work.
1449
01:03:33,418 --> 01:03:35,200
I never tried Hot Stuff.
1450
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,358
It was too hot for me to handle.
1451
01:03:38,358 --> 01:03:40,483
- In the progression, well you had Twinlab
1452
01:03:40,483 --> 01:03:43,360
and you had with Muscular
Development magazine.
1453
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,885
You had the Weider nutrition
with their magazine
1454
01:03:45,885 --> 01:03:48,153
with Muscle Fitness and Flex
and Men's Fitness I believe
1455
01:03:48,153 --> 01:03:49,398
launched around them.
1456
01:03:49,398 --> 01:03:52,104
You had another entity in Muscle Media
1457
01:03:52,104 --> 01:03:54,000
and you had all of Bill
Phillips' supplements
1458
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:54,998
that were there.
1459
01:03:54,998 --> 01:03:59,269
The next game-changer
in that was MuscleTech.
1460
01:03:59,269 --> 01:04:01,436
MuscleTech started in 1995
1461
01:04:02,379 --> 01:04:04,998
as a direct-to-consumer
supplement company.
1462
01:04:04,998 --> 01:04:06,560
They launched with three products:
1463
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,227
Creatine 6000-ES,
Hydroxycut and Acetabolan.
1464
01:04:11,314 --> 01:04:14,163
The combination was sold as
a kit direct-to-consumer.
1465
01:04:14,163 --> 01:04:16,262
It had a tremendous amount of success.
1466
01:04:16,262 --> 01:04:18,593
I mean you really can't
beat ephedrine and caffeine
1467
01:04:18,593 --> 01:04:21,659
as a fat burner and creatine
as a muscle-building product
1468
01:04:21,659 --> 01:04:24,498
and a test support product with
branched-chain amino acids.
1469
01:04:24,498 --> 01:04:27,160
It was great idea to put those together.
1470
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,436
At that time, the owner was
a guy named Paul Gardner.
1471
01:04:30,436 --> 01:04:33,918
He was indeed the
bodybuilding hardcore consumer
1472
01:04:33,918 --> 01:04:36,836
and he knew what would work
and what would appeal to him
1473
01:04:36,836 --> 01:04:38,477
and he used that in his marketing
1474
01:04:38,477 --> 01:04:40,318
and he was selling efficacious products.
1475
01:04:40,318 --> 01:04:43,281
He was on the cutting edge
studying what Twinlab was doing,
1476
01:04:43,281 --> 01:04:46,680
what SportPharma was doing
which was a player at the time.
1477
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,810
What Weider was doing and what obviously
1478
01:04:49,810 --> 01:04:52,414
EAS was doing, MET-Rx was doing.
1479
01:04:52,414 --> 01:04:54,165
So he played within those areas
1480
01:04:54,165 --> 01:04:58,143
and he was not arrogant
enough to think that
1481
01:04:58,143 --> 01:05:03,143
he couldn't have something to
learn from these companies.
1482
01:05:03,155 --> 01:05:05,435
He had no problem learning
from these companies
1483
01:05:05,435 --> 01:05:06,958
and just doing his own thing,
1484
01:05:06,958 --> 01:05:11,112
but he also had no problem
in marketing the products.
1485
01:05:11,112 --> 01:05:15,048
- MuscleTech with their
alignment with MuscleMag
1486
01:05:15,048 --> 01:05:18,131
was really able to go that next level
1487
01:05:19,672 --> 01:05:23,172
with turning advertisements into articles,
1488
01:05:25,471 --> 01:05:26,873
into editorial pieces
1489
01:05:26,873 --> 01:05:30,250
to the point where it
was difficult at times
1490
01:05:30,250 --> 01:05:32,287
to tell whether you
were reading an article
1491
01:05:32,287 --> 01:05:34,716
and learning about something
that you really wanted
1492
01:05:34,716 --> 01:05:37,164
or if it was actually a sales piece.
1493
01:05:37,164 --> 01:05:38,532
So I think what they really did
1494
01:05:38,532 --> 01:05:42,010
was tap into the old Ogilvy
that direct marketing.
1495
01:05:42,010 --> 01:05:46,650
And I'm not sure who it was
that was responsible for that,
1496
01:05:46,650 --> 01:05:48,970
but it was a bit of genius.
1497
01:05:48,970 --> 01:05:51,391
- They also had Greg Kovacs at the time
1498
01:05:51,391 --> 01:05:54,064
who was considered to be marketed anyways
1499
01:05:54,064 --> 01:05:56,388
as the next Mr. Olympia winner.
1500
01:05:56,388 --> 01:05:57,588
And you're talkin' about an athlete
1501
01:05:57,588 --> 01:06:00,087
who at one point was 420 pounds.
1502
01:06:00,087 --> 01:06:01,930
Nobody had seen people that big before.
1503
01:06:01,930 --> 01:06:04,507
So at trade shows, people would be in awe
1504
01:06:04,507 --> 01:06:05,930
at that time with the person.
1505
01:06:05,930 --> 01:06:08,367
And although he never won a pro show
1506
01:06:08,367 --> 01:06:10,796
and he never became Mr. Olympia obviously,
1507
01:06:10,796 --> 01:06:13,428
he was one of the most popular athletes
1508
01:06:13,428 --> 01:06:15,233
in the history of the sport
1509
01:06:15,233 --> 01:06:17,951
because people just wanted
to see the freakshow.
1510
01:06:17,951 --> 01:06:20,010
The publisher of MuscleMag, Bob Kennedy,
1511
01:06:20,010 --> 01:06:22,330
had a major effect on Paul Gardner
1512
01:06:22,330 --> 01:06:25,268
because he taught him a lot of the things
1513
01:06:25,268 --> 01:06:27,242
that were working with the readership
1514
01:06:27,242 --> 01:06:28,831
and were not working with the readership
1515
01:06:28,831 --> 01:06:31,167
and he was a good mentor to him.
1516
01:06:31,167 --> 01:06:35,000
But Paul Gardner is not
just a average person.
1517
01:06:36,489 --> 01:06:38,236
A lot of people in the industry
1518
01:06:38,236 --> 01:06:40,877
who never really got to know the person
1519
01:06:40,877 --> 01:06:42,916
chance it up to lock and things.
1520
01:06:42,916 --> 01:06:46,028
This guy was a genius with what he did.
1521
01:06:46,028 --> 01:06:50,450
Photographic memory of detail
on what he did, a math expert.
1522
01:06:50,450 --> 01:06:52,321
He surrounded himself with a great team,
1523
01:06:52,321 --> 01:06:54,073
had developed some great products
1524
01:06:54,073 --> 01:06:57,031
and was not afraid to spend on research.
1525
01:06:57,031 --> 01:06:59,651
This is one of the things that
a lot of companies get wrong.
1526
01:06:59,651 --> 01:07:03,050
They think that MuscleTech
didn't have any research.
1527
01:07:03,050 --> 01:07:05,631
But to this day, I know
of no other company
1528
01:07:05,631 --> 01:07:08,671
who has more research
funded than MuscleTech.
1529
01:07:08,671 --> 01:07:10,716
They had funded countless
university studies.
1530
01:07:10,716 --> 01:07:14,907
They've done bursaries for
scholarships for students.
1531
01:07:14,907 --> 01:07:16,111
They do a lot of these things
1532
01:07:16,111 --> 01:07:17,984
that they actually haven't even marketed.
1533
01:07:17,984 --> 01:07:20,911
You'll see now that they own part
1534
01:07:20,911 --> 01:07:23,647
of the school of University of Toronto
1535
01:07:23,647 --> 01:07:27,569
and they became a performance
arm of the whole school.
1536
01:07:27,569 --> 01:07:30,749
So if you can name any other
company in the industry
1537
01:07:30,749 --> 01:07:33,052
that actually has that, I'd be surprised.
1538
01:07:33,052 --> 01:07:34,849
- You know, there's
rumors that Robert Kennedy
1539
01:07:34,849 --> 01:07:37,182
was the owner of MuscleTech.
1540
01:07:38,377 --> 01:07:40,147
Honestly, I don't know.
1541
01:07:40,147 --> 01:07:41,614
He always denied it.
1542
01:07:41,614 --> 01:07:43,793
But then again, Jeff Everson denied
1543
01:07:43,793 --> 01:07:45,420
being one of the owners of MET-Rx
1544
01:07:45,420 --> 01:07:47,372
and he was one of the original owners.
1545
01:07:47,372 --> 01:07:48,948
So you don't know what the truth is there.
1546
01:07:48,948 --> 01:07:51,615
But the point is that MuscleTech
1547
01:07:54,399 --> 01:07:56,071
really got the ball rolling
1548
01:07:56,071 --> 01:07:59,706
and MuscleTech just started
growing exponentially.
1549
01:07:59,706 --> 01:08:02,200
And they became literally
the 800-pound gorilla
1550
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:03,946
of the supplement business.
1551
01:08:03,946 --> 01:08:06,338
At one point, I think just
one of their products.
1552
01:08:06,338 --> 01:08:08,213
I remember one of their products alone,
1553
01:08:08,213 --> 01:08:09,800
I don't remember which one it was
1554
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,480
was making 60 million a year.
1555
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,098
Just one product they were selling.
1556
01:08:14,098 --> 01:08:15,384
Hydroxycut, that's it.
1557
01:08:15,384 --> 01:08:16,687
Yeah, Hydroxycut.
1558
01:08:16,687 --> 01:08:19,450
That fat burner was
making 60 million a year.
1559
01:08:19,450 --> 01:08:22,585
One product and they had
a whole line of products.
1560
01:08:22,585 --> 01:08:25,503
(heavy rock music)
1561
01:08:26,607 --> 01:08:29,908
- [Alex] Founded in 2001,
BSN made a huge impact
1562
01:08:29,908 --> 01:08:34,006
by sponsoring the reigning
Mr. Olympia, Ronnie Coleman.
1563
01:08:34,006 --> 01:08:35,538
- [Ronnie] This is my gym.
1564
01:08:35,538 --> 01:08:36,569
This is how I train.
1565
01:08:36,569 --> 01:08:38,719
- So Scott James and Chris Ferguson
1566
01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:40,348
started this amazing company, BSN.
1567
01:08:40,348 --> 01:08:42,254
Not only did they get Ronnie Coleman,
1568
01:08:42,254 --> 01:08:44,762
but they also got Monica
Brandt at the peak.
1569
01:08:44,762 --> 01:08:47,106
So they had two really top-tier athletes.
1570
01:08:47,106 --> 01:08:49,408
In fact, Ronnie Coleman's contract
1571
01:08:49,408 --> 01:08:51,197
was the biggest in bodybuilding,
1572
01:08:51,197 --> 01:08:52,807
you know history at that time.
1573
01:08:52,807 --> 01:08:53,901
It was more than half a million.
1574
01:08:53,901 --> 01:08:56,764
So at that time, those
two athletes together
1575
01:08:56,764 --> 01:08:58,621
were a powerhouse and it was shocking
1576
01:08:58,621 --> 01:09:01,645
that Ronnie came over from MET-Rx.
1577
01:09:01,645 --> 01:09:04,746
But BSN did it and that's
why that actually kinda grew
1578
01:09:04,746 --> 01:09:07,246
in numbers and volume as well.
1579
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,584
- Back in the day taking
N.O.-XPLODE for the first time,
1580
01:09:11,584 --> 01:09:14,863
it was a unique very different experience.
1581
01:09:14,863 --> 01:09:18,450
They were doin' really cool
things and this pre-workout,
1582
01:09:18,450 --> 01:09:20,987
it got you fired up in
a different kinda way.
1583
01:09:20,987 --> 01:09:23,584
You know, this was not a
fat burner pump you up.
1584
01:09:23,584 --> 01:09:25,424
This was pumping agents.
1585
01:09:25,424 --> 01:09:27,407
This was energy ingredients.
1586
01:09:27,407 --> 01:09:28,665
This was something to take
1587
01:09:28,665 --> 01:09:30,702
your workouts to different levels.
1588
01:09:30,702 --> 01:09:32,048
And in my opinion,
1589
01:09:32,048 --> 01:09:35,965
they really set the stage
for the pre-workout.
1590
01:09:37,153 --> 01:09:40,028
- This is how I train. (growls)
1591
01:09:40,028 --> 01:09:42,944
(heavy rock music)
1592
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:48,452
(intense intriguing music)
1593
01:09:58,745 --> 01:10:02,163
- It markets to the hardcore in a way
1594
01:10:02,163 --> 01:10:06,180
where it's not fluffy, it's not foo-foo,
1595
01:10:06,180 --> 01:10:09,532
it's not anything but
gritty, black-and-white ads.
1596
01:10:09,532 --> 01:10:11,809
If you remember Mike Morrice ad
1597
01:10:11,809 --> 01:10:15,603
where he had throw up in front of him
1598
01:10:15,603 --> 01:10:17,295
after he did a set of squats.
1599
01:10:17,295 --> 01:10:19,076
I mean, what other company did that?
1600
01:10:19,076 --> 01:10:20,562
You're actually putting out an ad
1601
01:10:20,562 --> 01:10:23,153
where you got a guy with
puke in front of him.
1602
01:10:23,153 --> 01:10:24,212
That's awesome.
1603
01:10:24,212 --> 01:10:25,273
That's what I like.
1604
01:10:25,273 --> 01:10:26,330
Now how many times I called home
1605
01:10:26,330 --> 01:10:28,236
and say, "Hey, I threw up today.
1606
01:10:28,236 --> 01:10:29,492
I trained legs."
1607
01:10:29,492 --> 01:10:32,148
I mean my wife would be
like, "You're gross."
1608
01:10:32,148 --> 01:10:33,325
Like, "No, this is awesome.
1609
01:10:33,325 --> 01:10:34,157
I had a great workout.
1610
01:10:34,157 --> 01:10:36,075
I puked my brains out."
1611
01:10:36,996 --> 01:10:38,495
Most people can't relate to that.
1612
01:10:38,495 --> 01:10:41,761
The animal market relates to that.
1613
01:10:41,761 --> 01:10:45,344
(intense intriguing music)
1614
01:10:47,855 --> 01:10:49,535
- [Alex] And the next
giant of the industry
1615
01:10:49,535 --> 01:10:51,679
was building itself up.
1616
01:10:51,679 --> 01:10:52,960
- Optimum Nutrition was a brand
1617
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,730
that was created by the
distributor Costello,
1618
01:10:55,730 --> 01:10:57,295
which was a Costello family.
1619
01:10:57,295 --> 01:10:58,966
It's a family based in Chicago,
1620
01:10:58,966 --> 01:11:01,804
just outside of Chicago
and they were the ones
1621
01:11:01,804 --> 01:11:05,898
who brought the five-pound
protein to market.
1622
01:11:05,898 --> 01:11:08,698
They also had their own
manufacturing capabilities.
1623
01:11:08,698 --> 01:11:10,541
So they were able to make it themselves,
1624
01:11:10,541 --> 01:11:13,332
sell it to stores themselves
of their own brand
1625
01:11:13,332 --> 01:11:14,840
which allowed them to have
1626
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,460
what's called vertical integration.
1627
01:11:17,460 --> 01:11:21,818
Over time, the company
Glanbia actually acquired them
1628
01:11:21,818 --> 01:11:23,862
and they did this because they knew
1629
01:11:23,862 --> 01:11:25,258
the kinda sales they were doing
1630
01:11:25,258 --> 01:11:27,987
'cause they were selling
protein powder to them.
1631
01:11:27,987 --> 01:11:30,796
Glanbia's one of the largest
companies in the industry.
1632
01:11:30,796 --> 01:11:34,398
They own fields in Ireland
that have the cows,
1633
01:11:34,398 --> 01:11:37,221
that have the processing factories
1634
01:11:37,221 --> 01:11:41,357
that drive the milk and
convert it into whey,
1635
01:11:41,357 --> 01:11:42,727
convert it into cheese.
1636
01:11:42,727 --> 01:11:45,585
But if you had your own brand
that had amazing distribution,
1637
01:11:45,585 --> 01:11:48,136
you're going completely
vertical integration
1638
01:11:48,136 --> 01:11:51,975
from the dairy fields to
the consumer's cupboard.
1639
01:11:51,975 --> 01:11:54,858
So this was a huge,
huge play in the market.
1640
01:11:54,858 --> 01:11:57,656
Over time, Glanbia would
acquire more companies.
1641
01:11:57,656 --> 01:11:59,647
They also acquired BSN
1642
01:11:59,647 --> 01:12:01,818
and that was an interesting acquisition
1643
01:12:01,818 --> 01:12:04,458
because BSN was a lot more edgy.
1644
01:12:04,458 --> 01:12:06,208
It was a lot younger.
1645
01:12:08,156 --> 01:12:11,813
The ingredients were
all super cutting-edge,
1646
01:12:11,813 --> 01:12:12,976
super edgy.
1647
01:12:12,976 --> 01:12:15,618
Glanbia's went on to then acquire Isopure.
1648
01:12:15,618 --> 01:12:17,117
This was a big play in the industry
1649
01:12:17,117 --> 01:12:19,437
'cause Isopure was
regarded by the consumers
1650
01:12:19,437 --> 01:12:22,098
as the most premium isolate in the world.
1651
01:12:22,098 --> 01:12:26,886
Also they had the RTB
business with their Isopure.
1652
01:12:26,886 --> 01:12:28,226
- [Ronnie] Yeah, buddy.
1653
01:12:28,226 --> 01:12:29,884
Let's do this.
1654
01:12:29,884 --> 01:12:32,505
- [Alex] Ronnie Coleman
eventually left BSN
1655
01:12:32,505 --> 01:12:36,621
and in 2011 launched Ronnie
Coleman Signature Series
1656
01:12:36,621 --> 01:12:38,133
with partner Brendan Ahern.
1657
01:12:38,133 --> 01:12:40,121
- [Ronnie] Yeah, buddy!
1658
01:12:40,121 --> 01:12:41,743
- [Alex] One of the
fastest-growing companies
1659
01:12:41,743 --> 01:12:44,680
in the industry, Coleman
now sells his line
1660
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,513
in over 120 countries.
1661
01:12:47,601 --> 01:12:48,876
- He really stepped it up with this one.
1662
01:12:48,876 --> 01:12:49,945
Absolutely fantastic, yup.
1663
01:12:49,945 --> 01:12:52,862
(heavy rock music)
1664
01:12:55,875 --> 01:12:58,791
(soft piano music)
1665
01:13:04,661 --> 01:13:07,395
- [Alex] In 2012, the
emerging Canadian brand Mutant
1666
01:13:07,395 --> 01:13:09,887
was looking for a new athlete to sponsor
1667
01:13:09,887 --> 01:13:13,842
and I suggested my
long-time friend Rich Piana.
1668
01:13:13,842 --> 01:13:15,508
- Hey, Rich Piana here with my new line:
1669
01:13:15,508 --> 01:13:16,642
Love It, Kill It.
1670
01:13:16,642 --> 01:13:19,406
Gotta check it out on illpumpyouup.com.
1671
01:13:19,406 --> 01:13:21,764
- [Alex] I had trying to
get Rich more exposure
1672
01:13:21,764 --> 01:13:24,127
after his Mr. California win,
1673
01:13:24,127 --> 01:13:26,329
but he was a hard sell at the time.
1674
01:13:26,329 --> 01:13:28,407
The magazines didn't want to feature him
1675
01:13:28,407 --> 01:13:31,463
and only published the occasional photo.
1676
01:13:31,463 --> 01:13:33,331
I hired him for some catalog work,
1677
01:13:33,331 --> 01:13:37,164
but supplement companies just
didn't want to sponsor him.
1678
01:13:37,164 --> 01:13:39,767
They said that in his 40s, he was too old.
1679
01:13:39,767 --> 01:13:41,285
They didn't like the tattoos
1680
01:13:41,285 --> 01:13:44,663
and he was already
retired from competition.
1681
01:13:44,663 --> 01:13:46,682
But creative director Ryan Keller
1682
01:13:46,682 --> 01:13:49,487
had the idea of producing
a webisode series
1683
01:13:49,487 --> 01:13:53,287
around Rich and his California lifestyle.
1684
01:13:53,287 --> 01:13:56,706
It was titled "Leave Humanity Behind."
1685
01:13:56,706 --> 01:13:59,702
I brought on master
composer Mustafa Avsaroglu
1686
01:13:59,702 --> 01:14:01,871
to compose an original score
1687
01:14:01,871 --> 01:14:05,973
and what happened next
was completely unexpected.
1688
01:14:05,973 --> 01:14:10,223
(inspirational orchestral music)
1689
01:14:10,223 --> 01:14:12,760
- The Rich Piana phenomenon
1690
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,858
was probably the most unbelievable thing
1691
01:14:16,858 --> 01:14:19,079
I've ever seen in the industry.
1692
01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:23,717
I've never seen anything in
28 years I've been around
1693
01:14:23,717 --> 01:14:25,300
explode like he did
1694
01:14:26,380 --> 01:14:30,298
and change so many aspects
of marketing, sales.
1695
01:14:34,263 --> 01:14:37,629
You know, everything about
the industry was altered
1696
01:14:37,629 --> 01:14:41,462
by Rich Piana's you know
arrival on the scene.
1697
01:14:45,702 --> 01:14:47,782
- I don't think anybody realized
1698
01:14:47,782 --> 01:14:52,425
how many people there were
left that weren't targeted
1699
01:14:52,425 --> 01:14:54,686
by what the big companies were doing
1700
01:14:54,686 --> 01:14:56,621
and Rich somehow tapped into it.
1701
01:14:56,621 --> 01:14:59,487
I don't think Rich even realized.
1702
01:14:59,487 --> 01:15:01,923
I think Rich sorta fluked out in a way.
1703
01:15:01,923 --> 01:15:04,106
He thought I'm just gonna
be as real as I can be
1704
01:15:04,106 --> 01:15:05,956
and there's a crowd out there
1705
01:15:05,956 --> 01:15:09,567
and the crowd turned out to be huge.
1706
01:15:09,567 --> 01:15:11,866
There's all these people
that felt kind of ignored
1707
01:15:11,866 --> 01:15:13,525
by the industry a little bit
1708
01:15:13,525 --> 01:15:16,245
because they were never
gonna be the state champ
1709
01:15:16,245 --> 01:15:18,577
or the IFBB pro or whatever.
1710
01:15:19,657 --> 01:15:22,565
And they were never
gonna get used in an ad
1711
01:15:22,565 --> 01:15:25,146
and they were never gonna be that guy.
1712
01:15:25,146 --> 01:15:29,228
And Rich somehow managed
to attract the attention
1713
01:15:30,331 --> 01:15:32,805
of this massive number of people
1714
01:15:32,805 --> 01:15:35,605
that loved the gym and loved the lifestyle
1715
01:15:35,605 --> 01:15:38,707
and loved the subculture
of being different.
1716
01:15:38,707 --> 01:15:40,894
And you know the sorta deviant,
1717
01:15:40,894 --> 01:15:43,978
social rejection type of thing, right?
1718
01:15:43,978 --> 01:15:46,005
I mean that was Rich.
1719
01:15:46,005 --> 01:15:48,638
I mean he was everything
that society hated.
1720
01:15:48,638 --> 01:15:52,263
I mean he was the absolute
pinnacle of you know
1721
01:15:52,263 --> 01:15:55,430
what is rejected by the cultural norm.
1722
01:15:56,981 --> 01:15:58,624
- You know when I started
doin' well in bodybuilding,
1723
01:15:58,624 --> 01:16:00,469
I thought my phone was
gonna ring off the hook.
1724
01:16:00,469 --> 01:16:01,811
You know, people woulda
been callin' me and sayin',
1725
01:16:01,811 --> 01:16:04,023
"Rich Piana, we need you," you know?
1726
01:16:04,023 --> 01:16:05,291
"We want you," you know?
1727
01:16:05,291 --> 01:16:06,249
Blah blah blah, you know?
1728
01:16:06,249 --> 01:16:08,556
The next day, you know
my phone didn't ring.
1729
01:16:08,556 --> 01:16:13,273
- I think a lot of the people
that were attracted to Rich.
1730
01:16:13,273 --> 01:16:17,333
You know there was
obviously the obvious crowd
1731
01:16:17,333 --> 01:16:19,771
with the Dickie shorts and
the Love It, Kill It tank tops
1732
01:16:19,771 --> 01:16:22,452
and the tattoos and they kinda came from
1733
01:16:22,452 --> 01:16:23,716
you know maybe a rougher place.
1734
01:16:23,716 --> 01:16:26,351
I mean we all saw them
in the lineup at the expo
1735
01:16:26,351 --> 01:16:29,804
and they made up a pretty
grand portion of his fan base.
1736
01:16:29,804 --> 01:16:32,440
But that's not where it stopped.
1737
01:16:32,440 --> 01:16:35,807
It went all the way to like
I've had lawyers in ties go,
1738
01:16:35,807 --> 01:16:37,567
"Hey, you know Rich Piana."
1739
01:16:37,567 --> 01:16:40,527
I've had cops say, "Hey,
you know Rich Piana."
1740
01:16:40,527 --> 01:16:42,728
"You worked out with Rich Piana."
1741
01:16:42,728 --> 01:16:44,537
I've had people come
up to me in restaurants
1742
01:16:44,537 --> 01:16:47,749
that don't look like
they've ever seen a gym
1743
01:16:47,749 --> 01:16:50,202
and they're like, "Hey,"
you know, "you know Rich."
1744
01:16:50,202 --> 01:16:51,871
"You're friends with Rich."
1745
01:16:51,871 --> 01:16:55,010
I mean that was crazy how
far the reach was on that.
1746
01:16:55,010 --> 01:16:57,646
It was something the industry has never.
1747
01:16:57,646 --> 01:16:59,650
I don't think the industry ever dreamed
1748
01:16:59,650 --> 01:17:01,767
that they could reach those people
1749
01:17:01,767 --> 01:17:04,311
with anything they did, you know?
1750
01:17:04,311 --> 01:17:06,616
Like no supplement
company has ever reached
1751
01:17:06,616 --> 01:17:11,010
you know a suburban
housewife with like a ad
1752
01:17:11,010 --> 01:17:12,887
with a guy doin' a most muscular,
1753
01:17:12,887 --> 01:17:16,169
but somehow Rich got to those people.
1754
01:17:16,169 --> 01:17:17,387
- [Alex] In a matter of months,
1755
01:17:17,387 --> 01:17:22,103
Rich Piana became the most
popular bodybuilder online
1756
01:17:22,103 --> 01:17:24,743
and later went on to launch
his own supplement line
1757
01:17:24,743 --> 01:17:27,519
using his 5% clothing brand.
1758
01:17:27,519 --> 01:17:30,242
- I'm here to motivate, keep
you pushin' to the next level.
1759
01:17:30,242 --> 01:17:34,230
Whatever it takes, gotta
keep killin' it, 5%ers.
1760
01:17:34,230 --> 01:17:35,324
- [Ron] You know he was pretty upset
1761
01:17:35,324 --> 01:17:38,748
at the amount of time and
energy and money and work
1762
01:17:38,748 --> 01:17:40,862
and you know the investment that he put in
1763
01:17:40,862 --> 01:17:42,383
to try to be a pro bodybuilder
1764
01:17:42,383 --> 01:17:43,985
and I think he was a little bit,
1765
01:17:43,985 --> 01:17:47,082
you know maybe embarrassed
about it to a degree.
1766
01:17:47,082 --> 01:17:49,857
- Is it more important for
me to look good for myself
1767
01:17:49,857 --> 01:17:51,992
or more important for me to
look good for those judges
1768
01:17:51,992 --> 01:17:54,383
so I can win that $5 trophy?
1769
01:17:54,383 --> 01:17:56,922
- Everybody's tried
something that they love
1770
01:17:56,922 --> 01:17:59,621
and they weren't quite good
enough to do it, you know?
1771
01:17:59,621 --> 01:18:01,532
I mean you know The Rock talks about
1772
01:18:01,532 --> 01:18:03,976
how he wasn't good enough
for the NFL, you know?
1773
01:18:03,976 --> 01:18:05,517
He talked about it all the time.
1774
01:18:05,517 --> 01:18:07,119
He mentions it constantly.
1775
01:18:07,119 --> 01:18:08,344
You know, "I'm a field football player."
1776
01:18:08,344 --> 01:18:09,762
You know, he says that.
1777
01:18:09,762 --> 01:18:12,823
I mean Rich did that with bodybuilding.
1778
01:18:12,823 --> 01:18:14,962
You know I'm a failed bodybuilder.
1779
01:18:14,962 --> 01:18:17,246
I wasn't good enough; I didn't make it.
1780
01:18:17,246 --> 01:18:21,771
But that doesn't mean I
can't be hugely successful
1781
01:18:21,771 --> 01:18:25,623
and I think everyone has
a bit of that in them.
1782
01:18:25,623 --> 01:18:27,818
There's something that
everyone kinda looks back on
1783
01:18:27,818 --> 01:18:29,971
and goes man, you know
I wanted that so bad
1784
01:18:29,971 --> 01:18:31,885
and it didn't happen for me.
1785
01:18:31,885 --> 01:18:34,861
And so anybody who had
any of that in them,
1786
01:18:34,861 --> 01:18:37,463
I mean Rich spoke to them in a way.
1787
01:18:37,463 --> 01:18:39,303
- You know, the glass is always half-full.
1788
01:18:39,303 --> 01:18:40,900
And whenever you look at anything,
1789
01:18:40,900 --> 01:18:43,468
you could either find the
positive or find the negative.
1790
01:18:43,468 --> 01:18:46,982
And you know you'll be so much happier
1791
01:18:46,982 --> 01:18:48,423
and you'll enjoy life so much more
1792
01:18:48,423 --> 01:18:50,445
when you're bein' positive
1793
01:18:50,445 --> 01:18:52,303
and you're lookin' for the positive.
1794
01:18:52,303 --> 01:18:54,791
- [Alex] 5% Nutrition
exploded on the scene
1795
01:18:54,791 --> 01:18:57,357
and its legacy lives on today,
1796
01:18:57,357 --> 01:19:00,857
stronger than ever even after his passing.
1797
01:19:03,082 --> 01:19:05,032
(inspirational orchestral music)
1798
01:19:05,032 --> 01:19:08,383
By this time, the industry
had created gigantic brands
1799
01:19:08,383 --> 01:19:10,782
and one could say that
today the market is flooded
1800
01:19:10,782 --> 01:19:13,603
with all types of
supplements used by people
1801
01:19:13,603 --> 01:19:17,797
who engage in some kind
of physical activity.
1802
01:19:17,797 --> 01:19:20,163
Market growth is far from slowing down.
1803
01:19:20,163 --> 01:19:22,303
It's actually been growing consistently
1804
01:19:22,303 --> 01:19:24,719
at around 8% every year.
1805
01:19:25,722 --> 01:19:29,103
Questions about sports supplements remain.
1806
01:19:29,103 --> 01:19:32,522
Do they have any benefit at
all on athletic performance?
1807
01:19:32,522 --> 01:19:34,106
Can they build muscle and lose fat
1808
01:19:34,106 --> 01:19:36,004
like the advertising says?
1809
01:19:36,004 --> 01:19:38,143
If they don't, why do we continue
1810
01:19:38,143 --> 01:19:40,862
to buy them at an increasing pace?
1811
01:19:40,862 --> 01:19:45,784
And if they do work, are
they 100% safe for us?
1812
01:19:45,784 --> 01:19:47,594
Let's take a look at some
of the basic supplements
1813
01:19:47,594 --> 01:19:49,151
most commonly used.
1814
01:19:49,151 --> 01:19:52,741
(inspirational orchestral music)
1815
01:19:52,741 --> 01:19:56,799
- Whey interestingly enough
actually was a waste product
1816
01:19:56,799 --> 01:19:58,508
of cheese manufacturing.
1817
01:19:58,508 --> 01:20:01,787
They have countless
companies selling whey,
1818
01:20:01,787 --> 01:20:03,526
but there's three basic kinds
1819
01:20:03,526 --> 01:20:05,386
that the consumer has to know about.
1820
01:20:05,386 --> 01:20:08,407
The first one is called whey concentrate.
1821
01:20:08,407 --> 01:20:10,648
Whey concentrate has anywhere
1822
01:20:10,648 --> 01:20:14,232
from 'bout 72 up to maybe 87% protein.
1823
01:20:15,182 --> 01:20:17,264
It contains some lactose.
1824
01:20:18,386 --> 01:20:19,924
The feature of whey concentrate,
1825
01:20:19,924 --> 01:20:22,948
it has what they call
bioactive peptides in there
1826
01:20:22,948 --> 01:20:25,367
which have a lot of health benefits.
1827
01:20:25,367 --> 01:20:27,047
Then you have whey isolate,
1828
01:20:27,047 --> 01:20:32,047
which is the highest whey protein
as far as protein content.
1829
01:20:32,671 --> 01:20:35,264
It's 90% or more.
1830
01:20:35,264 --> 01:20:38,522
But whey actually does have
a biological value of 105
1831
01:20:38,522 --> 01:20:40,407
which is the highest biological value
1832
01:20:40,407 --> 01:20:42,572
of any known food protein.
1833
01:20:42,572 --> 01:20:45,779
So whey isolate is very pure protein.
1834
01:20:45,779 --> 01:20:48,807
90%, very little lactose.
1835
01:20:48,807 --> 01:20:53,383
The third type of whey protein
is called whey hydrolysate
1836
01:20:53,383 --> 01:20:56,603
and this is basically
a predigested protein.
1837
01:20:56,603 --> 01:21:00,369
The feature is that it's
digested very rapidly
1838
01:21:00,369 --> 01:21:02,306
and a couple of studies showed
1839
01:21:02,306 --> 01:21:04,486
that it increases workout recovery.
1840
01:21:04,486 --> 01:21:08,039
(dramatic orchestral music)
1841
01:21:08,039 --> 01:21:10,287
Creatine is a natural substance.
1842
01:21:10,287 --> 01:21:13,880
It's made in the body
from three amino acids:
1843
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,242
arginine, methionine and glycine.
1844
01:21:16,242 --> 01:21:18,802
Imagine having a second
battery in your car.
1845
01:21:18,802 --> 01:21:21,084
So when the first battery goes dead,
1846
01:21:21,084 --> 01:21:22,820
the second battery kicks in.
1847
01:21:22,820 --> 01:21:25,482
That's basically what
creatine supplements are.
1848
01:21:25,482 --> 01:21:26,480
That's what they do.
1849
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:30,447
Creatine is so
heavily-researched, every week,
1850
01:21:30,447 --> 01:21:34,962
almost every day, there's
another study on creatine.
1851
01:21:34,962 --> 01:21:37,143
I mean more recently
it's been found to exert
1852
01:21:37,143 --> 01:21:40,460
some beneficial neurochemical
effects in the brain.
1853
01:21:40,460 --> 01:21:42,958
But it also serves as a buffer in muscle,
1854
01:21:42,958 --> 01:21:44,983
it helps soak up some of the acid
1855
01:21:44,983 --> 01:21:47,520
that produces fatigue when you workout.
1856
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,478
It stimulates a anabolic hormone in muscle
1857
01:21:50,478 --> 01:21:53,084
called Insulin-like growth factor-1
1858
01:21:53,084 --> 01:21:55,882
and it attracts water to cells,
1859
01:21:55,882 --> 01:21:58,559
which is called cellular hydration.
1860
01:21:58,559 --> 01:22:00,722
And when cells are
hydrated, they're anabolic.
1861
01:22:00,722 --> 01:22:03,240
So creatine does a number of things.
1862
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,666
In fact, a lotta people
think that any weight
1863
01:22:05,666 --> 01:22:09,800
you know any gain you make
from creatine is water.
1864
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,722
You see if you look at
the way creatine works,
1865
01:22:12,722 --> 01:22:14,661
it really does help build muscle.
1866
01:22:14,661 --> 01:22:16,297
There is some water retention involved.
1867
01:22:16,297 --> 01:22:17,864
There's no question about it,
1868
01:22:17,864 --> 01:22:20,742
but it really does help build muscle too.
1869
01:22:20,742 --> 01:22:23,462
- I personally wasn't a
huge fan of monohydrate.
1870
01:22:23,462 --> 01:22:24,295
Did I take it?
1871
01:22:24,295 --> 01:22:25,128
Absolutely.
1872
01:22:25,128 --> 01:22:26,324
I took it for years.
1873
01:22:26,324 --> 01:22:29,341
I found my gains on monohydrate were great
1874
01:22:29,341 --> 01:22:30,737
and then when you came off,
1875
01:22:30,737 --> 01:22:33,369
I always felt like I
was losing everything.
1876
01:22:33,369 --> 01:22:34,800
The new creatines.
1877
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,814
The new creatine isolates, hydrochlorides.
1878
01:22:37,814 --> 01:22:39,222
They're exciting.
1879
01:22:39,222 --> 01:22:44,222
They pump you up and get you
hard stronger, faster, bigger.
1880
01:22:44,620 --> 01:22:47,084
But without the big water
weight and I loved that
1881
01:22:47,084 --> 01:22:49,180
and I think that's where the market
1882
01:22:49,180 --> 01:22:50,540
is really moving these days.
1883
01:22:50,540 --> 01:22:53,199
People wanna keep their abs
while they're on their creatine
1884
01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:56,007
and that was hard to
do with the old-school
1885
01:22:56,007 --> 01:22:59,174
water weight, water-gaining creatines.
1886
01:23:00,380 --> 01:23:03,467
(light orchestral music)
1887
01:23:03,467 --> 01:23:05,467
- So before pre-workouts came along,
1888
01:23:05,467 --> 01:23:08,005
I think people relied on a banana maybe
1889
01:23:08,005 --> 01:23:09,340
and a cup of coffee and that was it
1890
01:23:09,340 --> 01:23:11,110
and their own motivation.
1891
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:15,522
But then as the advancements
of pre-workouts are surfaced,
1892
01:23:15,522 --> 01:23:18,587
people could see the
actual benefits to them.
1893
01:23:18,587 --> 01:23:21,707
So then the banana and coffee went away
1894
01:23:21,707 --> 01:23:24,681
and then the body was
primed for the pre-workout,
1895
01:23:24,681 --> 01:23:28,098
so that's exactly where the industry ran.
1896
01:23:29,107 --> 01:23:30,825
- What it does is it really gives you
1897
01:23:30,825 --> 01:23:32,886
that boost of energy in the gym.
1898
01:23:32,886 --> 01:23:34,725
Sometimes you don't feel
like goin' to the gym,
1899
01:23:34,725 --> 01:23:36,406
sometimes you're a little bit tired.
1900
01:23:36,406 --> 01:23:39,446
It gives you that boost in
energy so you can stay focused
1901
01:23:39,446 --> 01:23:40,587
and so you can get to the gym
1902
01:23:40,587 --> 01:23:44,448
even wen you're not having
the most energized day.
1903
01:23:44,448 --> 01:23:45,587
- You know it's one of those things
1904
01:23:45,587 --> 01:23:46,949
where it's never been proven.
1905
01:23:46,949 --> 01:23:50,790
But every bodybuilder I
would say who has trained
1906
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:53,888
who has used you know
arginine-AKG or arginine
1907
01:23:53,888 --> 01:23:58,107
or citrulline, you can feel
the nitric oxide effect.
1908
01:23:58,107 --> 01:24:00,389
You can feel you know the pumps,
1909
01:24:00,389 --> 01:24:02,867
so I do believe in that and
I think that you know again
1910
01:24:02,867 --> 01:24:05,245
arginine is great for muscle building
1911
01:24:05,245 --> 01:24:09,746
for increasing that whole
nitric oxide production.
1912
01:24:09,746 --> 01:24:12,503
- All right, here we are at Mr. Olympia.
1913
01:24:12,503 --> 01:24:14,705
The energy is electric.
1914
01:24:14,705 --> 01:24:16,386
Thousands and thousands of people.
1915
01:24:16,386 --> 01:24:17,383
They are ready.
1916
01:24:17,383 --> 01:24:18,434
Now watch this; this how cool it is.
1917
01:24:18,434 --> 01:24:20,626
One, two, three, yell!
1918
01:24:20,626 --> 01:24:25,351
(crowd shouting)
(soft inspirational music)
1919
01:24:25,351 --> 01:24:27,031
It is my honor.
1920
01:24:27,031 --> 01:24:28,391
I love you guys!
1921
01:24:28,391 --> 01:24:31,308
- [Alex] What was originally
born as a minuscule niche
1922
01:24:31,308 --> 01:24:35,490
popularized in California
is now a global phenomenon.
1923
01:24:35,490 --> 01:24:38,589
With over $40 billion a year in sales,
1924
01:24:38,589 --> 01:24:40,210
the sports supplement industry
1925
01:24:40,210 --> 01:24:43,191
has reached every corner of the world.
1926
01:24:43,191 --> 01:24:45,043
But despite increasing popularity
1927
01:24:45,043 --> 01:24:47,008
and general public acceptance,
1928
01:24:47,008 --> 01:24:49,295
sports supplements have many detractors
1929
01:24:49,295 --> 01:24:51,468
that want to control the industry
1930
01:24:51,468 --> 01:24:53,228
and have you obtain a prescription
1931
01:24:53,228 --> 01:24:57,809
before you're free to buy
any dietary supplement.
1932
01:24:57,809 --> 01:24:59,590
This is actually not a new trend.
1933
01:24:59,590 --> 01:25:01,146
(dramatic orchestral music)
1934
01:25:01,146 --> 01:25:02,034
- [Man] Freeze!
1935
01:25:02,034 --> 01:25:03,165
- Hey guys, guys.
1936
01:25:03,165 --> 01:25:05,175
It's only vitamins.
1937
01:25:05,175 --> 01:25:07,443
- And that can actually happen.
1938
01:25:07,443 --> 01:25:10,145
- What you've just seen were
public service announcements
1939
01:25:10,145 --> 01:25:12,587
made by some of us in the
entertainment industry
1940
01:25:12,587 --> 01:25:16,065
to bring our concerns about
the FDA's proposed rules
1941
01:25:16,065 --> 01:25:18,419
for enforcing the nutritional label.
1942
01:25:18,419 --> 01:25:20,603
- If they pass legislation
basically making
1943
01:25:20,603 --> 01:25:23,886
any type of food supplement
a prescription item,
1944
01:25:23,886 --> 01:25:26,764
that would be the end, the death
1945
01:25:26,764 --> 01:25:29,362
of the entire food supplement industry.
1946
01:25:29,362 --> 01:25:31,326
Over, done, gone.
1947
01:25:31,326 --> 01:25:32,995
Even though it's making billions now,
1948
01:25:32,995 --> 01:25:35,945
it would be just a fond memory.
1949
01:25:35,945 --> 01:25:38,733
This is what will happen
with food supplements.
1950
01:25:38,733 --> 01:25:41,130
Let's say that they're
oral prescription items.
1951
01:25:41,130 --> 01:25:42,643
You know, you go to your doc.
1952
01:25:42,643 --> 01:25:43,942
"Doc, I wanna take this weight gain.
1953
01:25:43,942 --> 01:25:45,246
I wanna take this pre-workout."
1954
01:25:45,246 --> 01:25:47,907
Doc goes, "No, no way!
1955
01:25:47,907 --> 01:25:49,841
"That stuff, we don't know what's in that.
1956
01:25:49,841 --> 01:25:51,055
No way!
1957
01:25:51,055 --> 01:25:52,673
I'm not gonna give you."
1958
01:25:52,673 --> 01:25:55,103
It's gonna kill the industry; bottom line.
1959
01:25:55,103 --> 01:25:59,526
- When the new GMP's went
into place back in '93,
1960
01:25:59,526 --> 01:26:01,257
the dietary supplement industry
1961
01:26:01,257 --> 01:26:04,398
became the number two
most regulated industry:
1962
01:26:04,398 --> 01:26:08,478
nuclear, dietary
supplements, pharmaceutical.
1963
01:26:08,478 --> 01:26:10,898
We are more regulated than drugs.
1964
01:26:10,898 --> 01:26:13,268
Now what the mass media gets confused
1965
01:26:13,268 --> 01:26:15,321
is they wanna compare us with drugs
1966
01:26:15,321 --> 01:26:18,543
and say, well you don't have
to do the clinical trials
1967
01:26:18,543 --> 01:26:21,817
that drugs have to do,
therefore you're unregulated.
1968
01:26:21,817 --> 01:26:26,318
And that's unfair because
the difference between a drug
1969
01:26:26,318 --> 01:26:28,857
and a supplement is one thing:
1970
01:26:28,857 --> 01:26:30,681
A drug can make a claim.
1971
01:26:30,681 --> 01:26:34,217
A dietary supplement is not
allowed to have a side effect.
1972
01:26:34,217 --> 01:26:35,663
I always say the pharmaceutical
1973
01:26:35,663 --> 01:26:38,476
has to have a minimum of 100 side effects
1974
01:26:38,476 --> 01:26:40,137
in order for it to be a drug.
1975
01:26:40,137 --> 01:26:43,416
- So DSHEA, Dietary Supplement
Health Education Act,
1976
01:26:43,416 --> 01:26:48,249
was a law that was written in
place to kinda separate a food
1977
01:26:48,249 --> 01:26:52,314
from a drug and an OTC and
it made a middle-ground area
1978
01:26:52,314 --> 01:26:54,138
and that's dietary supplements.
1979
01:26:54,138 --> 01:26:56,378
And a dietary supplement goes through
1980
01:26:56,378 --> 01:26:59,178
all the same checks and
balances, regulations.
1981
01:26:59,178 --> 01:27:01,255
It is regulated.
1982
01:27:01,255 --> 01:27:02,857
You'll never hear an FDA person say
1983
01:27:02,857 --> 01:27:04,655
that our industry's not regulated.
1984
01:27:04,655 --> 01:27:08,528
It's under the same guidelines
as the FDA's guidelines
1985
01:27:08,528 --> 01:27:11,291
for good manufacturing
for foods and drugs.
1986
01:27:11,291 --> 01:27:14,117
It's our playbook, so to speak.
1987
01:27:14,117 --> 01:27:17,098
- We must be registered as
a manufacturer with the FDA.
1988
01:27:17,098 --> 01:27:18,858
If you're not, it's against the law.
1989
01:27:18,858 --> 01:27:20,335
First off, it's a surprise visit.
1990
01:27:20,335 --> 01:27:24,017
And they come in and you
need to allow the FDA,
1991
01:27:24,017 --> 01:27:25,318
they have jurisdiction.
1992
01:27:25,318 --> 01:27:27,844
They wanna see if you
have procedures in place
1993
01:27:27,844 --> 01:27:30,405
to ensure GMPs are bein' met.
1994
01:27:30,405 --> 01:27:32,623
They'll look at your testing processes.
1995
01:27:32,623 --> 01:27:35,117
They'll look at your
manufacturing process.
1996
01:27:35,117 --> 01:27:36,511
They'll look at your training logs.
1997
01:27:36,511 --> 01:27:39,409
Are your employees trained
under GMP guidelines?
1998
01:27:39,409 --> 01:27:41,263
They look at your complaint logs.
1999
01:27:41,263 --> 01:27:43,837
Are consumers complaining
about your product
2000
01:27:43,837 --> 01:27:45,628
and what are you doin'
about the complaints?
2001
01:27:45,628 --> 01:27:47,893
If the complaint is an issue,
2002
01:27:47,893 --> 01:27:50,794
then us as a regulated industry,
2003
01:27:50,794 --> 01:27:53,402
we must get to the root
of the complaint; why?
2004
01:27:53,402 --> 01:27:56,279
Because if you get to the
root of the complaint,
2005
01:27:56,279 --> 01:27:57,538
then you know how to solve it
2006
01:27:57,538 --> 01:28:00,737
and you eliminate that
risk from your facility.
2007
01:28:00,737 --> 01:28:02,702
So the FDA does a very, very good job
2008
01:28:02,702 --> 01:28:05,503
of ensuring that the manufacturers
2009
01:28:05,503 --> 01:28:10,018
are controlling the safety
of the manufactured goods.
2010
01:28:10,018 --> 01:28:12,615
- The reality of the
supplement industry is that
2011
01:28:12,615 --> 01:28:14,980
regulations and the enforcement
2012
01:28:14,980 --> 01:28:17,481
is kind of a gray area to a certain extent
2013
01:28:17,481 --> 01:28:20,498
and you know there are
regulations in place.
2014
01:28:20,498 --> 01:28:21,893
A lotta people kind of like say,
2015
01:28:21,893 --> 01:28:23,276
"Oh the FDA's not involved
2016
01:28:23,276 --> 01:28:24,487
and there's not these regulation,"
2017
01:28:24,487 --> 01:28:26,053
but they really are.
2018
01:28:26,053 --> 01:28:28,418
The enforcement is kind of
the questionable side of it
2019
01:28:28,418 --> 01:28:30,820
and how do they really get
a handle on this monster.
2020
01:28:30,820 --> 01:28:33,565
And so what we're big
fans of here at PricePlow
2021
01:28:33,565 --> 01:28:34,745
and what we believe in is that
2022
01:28:34,745 --> 01:28:36,815
it's not necessarily the government's job
2023
01:28:36,815 --> 01:28:37,648
to have to do that.
2024
01:28:37,648 --> 01:28:41,271
But outlets like ourselves
can do our homework,
2025
01:28:41,271 --> 01:28:43,634
we can look at the data, we
can understand the research
2026
01:28:43,634 --> 01:28:47,478
and we can inform the
consumers and educate them
2027
01:28:47,478 --> 01:28:50,121
to if something is
pixie-dusted or amino-spiked
2028
01:28:50,121 --> 01:28:52,476
or doesn't give you
enough active ingredients.
2029
01:28:52,476 --> 01:28:56,075
And I think that's the price
foundation is what we call 'em,
2030
01:28:56,075 --> 01:28:58,451
but our community is becoming educated.
2031
01:28:58,451 --> 01:29:00,293
If I post a video and it's something
2032
01:29:00,293 --> 01:29:02,535
that only has two grams of
citrulline malate in it,
2033
01:29:02,535 --> 01:29:04,439
they're gonna say that's
under dose, I'm not buyin' it.
2034
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:05,782
And it's amazing, you know?
2035
01:29:05,782 --> 01:29:07,719
And I think that's gonna be the future.
2036
01:29:07,719 --> 01:29:09,992
I think that outlets like ourselves
2037
01:29:09,992 --> 01:29:11,460
are going to hold supplement companies
2038
01:29:11,460 --> 01:29:12,960
accountable internally
2039
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,567
and not necessarily through
government organizations.
2040
01:29:15,567 --> 01:29:19,191
- We are more regulated than a food,
2041
01:29:19,191 --> 01:29:20,834
but yet foods get a pass.
2042
01:29:20,834 --> 01:29:23,491
Like you put a nutrition
facts panel on a label
2043
01:29:23,491 --> 01:29:25,782
and then you're a food, right?
2044
01:29:25,782 --> 01:29:29,476
You don't have to validate that it's safe.
2045
01:29:29,476 --> 01:29:31,945
You don't have to do the stability testing
2046
01:29:31,945 --> 01:29:36,018
to say that your food's
in the right amounts.
2047
01:29:36,018 --> 01:29:37,305
There's an assumption of safety.
2048
01:29:37,305 --> 01:29:42,035
You go get a protein pasta
or go get a meal replacement.
2049
01:29:42,035 --> 01:29:45,751
Protein pasta is a food; nutrition facts.
2050
01:29:45,751 --> 01:29:48,018
You go get a meal replacement
2051
01:29:48,018 --> 01:29:51,239
and it's a dietary supplement under DSHAE,
2052
01:29:51,239 --> 01:29:52,679
one's not under DSHE.
2053
01:29:52,679 --> 01:29:54,278
But go look at your ingredient list
2054
01:29:54,278 --> 01:29:56,751
and you're gonna see protein blends.
2055
01:29:56,751 --> 01:29:58,293
It's the same stuff.
2056
01:29:58,293 --> 01:30:00,236
You see fortification in one.
2057
01:30:00,236 --> 01:30:04,268
You see vitamin mineral premix,
fortification in another.
2058
01:30:04,268 --> 01:30:05,791
What makes them different?
2059
01:30:05,791 --> 01:30:07,079
Nothing.
2060
01:30:07,079 --> 01:30:10,835
One is one you bake and one you
add with water and shake up.
2061
01:30:10,835 --> 01:30:13,260
Why should that be radically different?
2062
01:30:13,260 --> 01:30:15,180
They demonize dietary supplements,
2063
01:30:15,180 --> 01:30:16,831
but they say all you need is real food.
2064
01:30:16,831 --> 01:30:18,796
Well what's a real food?
2065
01:30:18,796 --> 01:30:19,980
- A lotta people tell me
2066
01:30:19,980 --> 01:30:22,940
that a dietary supplement
industry's completely unregulated.
2067
01:30:22,940 --> 01:30:24,415
It's the wild-wild west out there.
2068
01:30:24,415 --> 01:30:25,740
It's a free-for-all.
2069
01:30:25,740 --> 01:30:28,059
That could not be further from the truth.
2070
01:30:28,059 --> 01:30:31,778
There is some regulation in the
dietary supplement industry.
2071
01:30:31,778 --> 01:30:34,105
There are some guidelines by the FDA.
2072
01:30:34,105 --> 01:30:37,660
In fact, the FDA actually
has something called the ODS
2073
01:30:37,660 --> 01:30:39,716
which is the Office of
Dietary Supplements.
2074
01:30:39,716 --> 01:30:43,516
This is a division that
actually looks at supplements
2075
01:30:43,516 --> 01:30:45,698
and investigates supplements regularly.
2076
01:30:45,698 --> 01:30:48,759
And they do checks of
supplement manufacturers
2077
01:30:48,759 --> 01:30:50,230
and do quality control checks
2078
01:30:50,230 --> 01:30:53,476
to get them to CGMP and
other things as well.
2079
01:30:53,476 --> 01:30:56,258
And in fact if a product
is shown to be harmful,
2080
01:30:56,258 --> 01:30:58,236
they'll take it off the market immediately
2081
01:30:58,236 --> 01:31:01,853
as they did with ephedrine
and ephedrol and ma huang.
2082
01:31:01,853 --> 01:31:03,181
- I think raw ingredients
2083
01:31:03,181 --> 01:31:04,916
are the single-most important thing
2084
01:31:04,916 --> 01:31:06,632
and they're one of the
most overlooked things.
2085
01:31:06,632 --> 01:31:09,172
I think science is you
know kinda catching up
2086
01:31:09,172 --> 01:31:10,651
and people are becoming more aware
2087
01:31:10,651 --> 01:31:11,582
of what doses they should take
2088
01:31:11,582 --> 01:31:13,369
and what's beneficial and whatnot.
2089
01:31:13,369 --> 01:31:14,656
But the actual raw ingredient,
2090
01:31:14,656 --> 01:31:16,514
I think that'll be the next real trend
2091
01:31:16,514 --> 01:31:17,955
that we're gonna see in the industry
2092
01:31:17,955 --> 01:31:19,577
on where things are coming from.
2093
01:31:19,577 --> 01:31:21,389
Not all citrulline's created equal.
2094
01:31:21,389 --> 01:31:23,853
Not all ashwagandha's created equal.
2095
01:31:23,853 --> 01:31:25,643
- Some of the medical journals today,
2096
01:31:25,643 --> 01:31:28,712
you know the doctors who
never even studied nutrition.
2097
01:31:28,712 --> 01:31:30,138
They're certainly not experts.
2098
01:31:30,138 --> 01:31:34,275
I get a personal peeve when I
see vitamin bottles that say,
2099
01:31:34,275 --> 01:31:36,195
"Consult your physician."
2100
01:31:36,195 --> 01:31:37,235
Consult you physician?
2101
01:31:37,235 --> 01:31:38,458
You might as well consult
2102
01:31:38,458 --> 01:31:39,832
the next guy you meet on the street.
2103
01:31:39,832 --> 01:31:42,550
They don't know a damn thing
about vitamins and nutrition.
2104
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:45,212
They don't study it as part
of their medical curriculum.
2105
01:31:45,212 --> 01:31:47,352
They know how to recognize
nutritional deficiencies.
2106
01:31:47,352 --> 01:31:51,370
But ask 'em the benefits
of certain supplements
2107
01:31:51,370 --> 01:31:52,778
or why would I need it,
2108
01:31:52,778 --> 01:31:54,806
they're gonna look at
you as blank as anybody.
2109
01:31:54,806 --> 01:31:56,618
They don't know anything.
2110
01:31:56,618 --> 01:31:58,047
So the thing is you know
2111
01:31:58,047 --> 01:32:01,415
you have to get these nutrients
2112
01:32:01,415 --> 01:32:04,128
or you're gonna get messed
up and you supplement
2113
01:32:04,128 --> 01:32:07,210
what you're not getting in your diet.
2114
01:32:09,402 --> 01:32:11,871
These medical journals,
what I was gonna say.
2115
01:32:11,871 --> 01:32:13,909
These medical journals
today, they're coming out.
2116
01:32:13,909 --> 01:32:16,786
All supplements are completely
needless and useless.
2117
01:32:16,786 --> 01:32:20,098
To me, that borders on medical malpractice
2118
01:32:20,098 --> 01:32:23,083
to tell people who aren't
getting these nutrients
2119
01:32:23,083 --> 01:32:25,276
in food not to take supplements
2120
01:32:25,276 --> 01:32:27,389
so that they don't get
nutritional deficiencies.
2121
01:32:27,389 --> 01:32:31,365
That to me, borders on
medical malpractice.
2122
01:32:31,365 --> 01:32:32,956
- I think people are looking for shortcuts
2123
01:32:32,956 --> 01:32:35,116
and I think they're looking for a way
2124
01:32:35,116 --> 01:32:37,573
to avoid doin' the research.
2125
01:32:37,573 --> 01:32:38,946
It's a quicker answer.
2126
01:32:38,946 --> 01:32:40,831
It's a faster fix.
2127
01:32:40,831 --> 01:32:43,050
Tryin' to fix this issue
that they're having
2128
01:32:43,050 --> 01:32:44,126
with not getting the results
2129
01:32:44,126 --> 01:32:46,647
that they're dreamin' of getting.
2130
01:32:46,647 --> 01:32:48,362
- The reason why consumers buy supplements
2131
01:32:48,362 --> 01:32:50,105
is they wanna get there faster.
2132
01:32:50,105 --> 01:32:52,299
That could mean that they
get their health faster.
2133
01:32:52,299 --> 01:32:53,684
They could get the doctor says
2134
01:32:53,684 --> 01:32:55,106
that their cholesterol's high.
2135
01:32:55,106 --> 01:32:56,800
They wanna use a supplement
2136
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:59,186
that's going to get their
cholesterol down faster
2137
01:32:59,186 --> 01:33:00,964
than diet or exercise alone.
2138
01:33:00,964 --> 01:33:03,722
Sometimes consumers don't want to diet
2139
01:33:03,722 --> 01:33:05,266
or they don't wanna exercise.
2140
01:33:05,266 --> 01:33:08,989
I never forgot this
obese lady one time said,
2141
01:33:08,989 --> 01:33:12,850
"The reason I use diet pills
is I don't wanna diet,"
2142
01:33:12,850 --> 01:33:14,887
and it makes sense.
2143
01:33:14,887 --> 01:33:16,976
People that want to build more muscle,
2144
01:33:16,976 --> 01:33:18,427
they wanna build it faster.
2145
01:33:18,427 --> 01:33:19,787
They don't wanna wait.
2146
01:33:19,787 --> 01:33:22,722
So they may be doing diet,
they may be doing training.
2147
01:33:22,722 --> 01:33:24,166
But the next level on top of that
2148
01:33:24,166 --> 01:33:26,447
is going to be taking a supplement.
2149
01:33:26,447 --> 01:33:29,612
- You know, if you're
down in certain minerals
2150
01:33:29,612 --> 01:33:31,487
and vitamins and amino acids,
2151
01:33:31,487 --> 01:33:34,650
it's very hard to get
the full amount in food.
2152
01:33:34,650 --> 01:33:36,925
So you'll have to have condensed amounts
2153
01:33:36,925 --> 01:33:38,648
through sports supplements.
2154
01:33:38,648 --> 01:33:40,949
Some people use it as a means
2155
01:33:40,949 --> 01:33:44,628
as an excuse for their complacency,
2156
01:33:44,628 --> 01:33:46,546
thinkin' that they can have protein shake
2157
01:33:46,546 --> 01:33:49,311
after protein shake to
fill the voids of meals.
2158
01:33:49,311 --> 01:33:51,982
Unfortunately, that's
not the way to go either.
2159
01:33:51,982 --> 01:33:53,407
There has to be a balance
2160
01:33:53,407 --> 01:33:55,550
in order for people to
sustain their health
2161
01:33:55,550 --> 01:33:59,202
and improve their
performance and recovery.
2162
01:33:59,202 --> 01:34:00,523
- Why people take supplements?
2163
01:34:00,523 --> 01:34:01,585
To have an edge.
2164
01:34:01,585 --> 01:34:03,224
You know, this is as simple as that.
2165
01:34:03,224 --> 01:34:04,892
Diet can take you just so far
2166
01:34:04,892 --> 01:34:06,927
and nutrition supplements addition to
2167
01:34:06,927 --> 01:34:10,525
something that can complete
and enhance your nutrition.
2168
01:34:10,525 --> 01:34:12,388
- It doesn't matter how
many supplements you take
2169
01:34:12,388 --> 01:34:15,307
if you still eat junk and
you don't workout hard.
2170
01:34:15,307 --> 01:34:17,669
So it's important to understand
2171
01:34:17,669 --> 01:34:19,992
that a supplement is a supplement.
2172
01:34:19,992 --> 01:34:20,825
That's what it is.
2173
01:34:20,825 --> 01:34:22,843
It supplements the other work.
2174
01:34:22,843 --> 01:34:25,446
You still have to eat right,
you still have to train.
2175
01:34:25,446 --> 01:34:28,621
And the supplement goes along
with it to help expedite
2176
01:34:28,621 --> 01:34:30,704
and improve those results.
2177
01:34:30,704 --> 01:34:35,416
The supplement alone does
not give you those results.
2178
01:34:35,416 --> 01:34:37,083
- [Alex] I don't know
if I will see the fall
2179
01:34:37,083 --> 01:34:40,244
of the sports supplements
industry in my lifetime.
2180
01:34:40,244 --> 01:34:43,103
Maybe humankind will always
have the urge to take something
2181
01:34:43,103 --> 01:34:45,462
that will give us an edge
over the competition,
2182
01:34:45,462 --> 01:34:47,212
whatever that may be.
2183
01:34:48,304 --> 01:34:50,621
I know I need to continue educating myself
2184
01:34:50,621 --> 01:34:53,528
on what I should be taking
so I know the difference
2185
01:34:53,528 --> 01:34:58,422
between what is a gimmick and
what is a quality product.
2186
01:34:58,422 --> 01:34:59,802
- There's no magic pill.
2187
01:34:59,802 --> 01:35:00,891
You can't just take a pill
2188
01:35:00,891 --> 01:35:02,739
and all of a sudden
you're gonna look awesome
2189
01:35:02,739 --> 01:35:04,182
and you're gonna feel awesome.
2190
01:35:04,182 --> 01:35:05,731
You still gotta put the work in.
2191
01:35:05,731 --> 01:35:07,862
You still gotta eat right.
2192
01:35:07,862 --> 01:35:09,111
Supplement is just that;
2193
01:35:09,111 --> 01:35:12,210
a supplement to what you
should already be doing.
2194
01:35:12,210 --> 01:35:15,072
Now you have that extra
edge, that extra recovery,
2195
01:35:15,072 --> 01:35:18,736
that extra strength, that
extra focus, that extra energy.
2196
01:35:18,736 --> 01:35:21,454
That's what supplements can do.
2197
01:35:21,454 --> 01:35:22,594
- Supplements are just that.
2198
01:35:22,594 --> 01:35:25,491
They supplement your work,
your graft, your nutrition,
2199
01:35:25,491 --> 01:35:27,794
your sleep, your rest, your recovery.
2200
01:35:27,794 --> 01:35:30,627
Then it is the icing on your cake.
2201
01:35:32,472 --> 01:35:37,472
("Muscle Beach Party"
by Annette Funicello)
2202
01:35:39,641 --> 01:35:42,406
♪ Everybody's workin' out on the sand ♪
2203
01:35:42,406 --> 01:35:46,175
♪ From the latest dance craze
to a wild handstand now ♪
2204
01:35:46,175 --> 01:35:47,740
♪ Well last year was great now ♪
2205
01:35:47,740 --> 01:35:49,235
♪ But this year is better ♪
2206
01:35:49,235 --> 01:35:50,627
♪ You better grab your chick ♪
2207
01:35:50,627 --> 01:35:53,031
♪ Or else some muscleman'll get her ♪
2208
01:35:53,031 --> 01:35:54,296
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2209
01:35:54,296 --> 01:35:56,541
♪ Flex your muscles
for kicks now now now ♪
2210
01:35:56,541 --> 01:35:57,682
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2211
01:35:57,682 --> 01:35:59,796
♪ Gotta hustle the chicks yeah yeah yeah ♪
2212
01:35:59,796 --> 01:36:00,996
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2213
01:36:00,996 --> 01:36:02,639
♪ Take your vitamin pill now ♪
2214
01:36:02,639 --> 01:36:04,471
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2215
01:36:04,471 --> 01:36:06,299
♪ Give the honeys a thrill ♪
2216
01:36:06,299 --> 01:36:08,000
♪ Here's a 90-pound weaklin' ♪
2217
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:09,464
♪ Well he ain't got no place ♪
2218
01:36:09,464 --> 01:36:12,996
♪ 'Cause you know he'd only get
the sand kicked in his face ♪
2219
01:36:12,996 --> 01:36:16,594
♪ Well cherry little woodies
always get the attention ♪
2220
01:36:16,594 --> 01:36:20,130
♪ Until the musclemen
start the dynamic tension ♪
2221
01:36:20,130 --> 01:36:21,437
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2222
01:36:21,437 --> 01:36:23,535
♪ Flex your muscles
for kicks now now now ♪
2223
01:36:23,535 --> 01:36:25,019
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2224
01:36:25,019 --> 01:36:27,091
♪ Gotta hustle the chicks yeah yeah yeah ♪
2225
01:36:27,091 --> 01:36:28,353
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2226
01:36:28,353 --> 01:36:30,255
♪ Take your vitamin pill now ♪
2227
01:36:30,255 --> 01:36:31,796
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2228
01:36:31,796 --> 01:36:33,512
♪ Give the honeys a thrill ♪
2229
01:36:33,512 --> 01:36:35,762
♪ Let's go ♪
2230
01:36:47,955 --> 01:36:49,077
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2231
01:36:49,077 --> 01:36:50,915
♪ Flex your muscles
for kicks now now now ♪
2232
01:36:50,915 --> 01:36:51,916
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2233
01:36:51,916 --> 01:36:54,424
♪ You gotta hustle the
chicks yeah yeah yeah ♪
2234
01:36:54,424 --> 01:36:55,896
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2235
01:36:55,896 --> 01:36:57,538
♪ Take your vitamin pill now ♪
2236
01:36:57,538 --> 01:36:59,080
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2237
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:00,920
♪ Give the honeys a thrill ♪
2238
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:02,758
♪ Well a 90 pound weaklin' ♪
2239
01:37:02,758 --> 01:37:04,216
♪ Well he ain't got no place ♪
2240
01:37:04,216 --> 01:37:07,764
♪ 'Cause you know he'd only get
the sand kicked in his face ♪
2241
01:37:07,764 --> 01:37:11,378
♪ Well cherry little woodies
always get the attention ♪
2242
01:37:11,378 --> 01:37:14,957
♪ Until the musclemen
start the dynamic tension ♪
2243
01:37:14,957 --> 01:37:16,440
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2244
01:37:16,440 --> 01:37:18,432
♪ Flex your muscles
for kicks now now now ♪
2245
01:37:18,432 --> 01:37:19,912
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2246
01:37:19,912 --> 01:37:21,876
♪ You gotta hustle the
chicks yeah yeah yeah ♪
2247
01:37:21,876 --> 01:37:23,255
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2248
01:37:23,255 --> 01:37:25,002
♪ Take your vitamin pill now ♪
2249
01:37:25,002 --> 01:37:26,477
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2250
01:37:26,477 --> 01:37:28,536
♪ Give the honeys a thrill now ♪
2251
01:37:28,536 --> 01:37:29,996
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2252
01:37:29,996 --> 01:37:32,432
♪ Flex your muscles
for kicks now now now ♪
2253
01:37:32,432 --> 01:37:33,597
♪ Muscle Beach Party ♪
2254
01:37:33,597 --> 01:37:37,082
♪ Gotta hustle the chicks yeah yeah yeah ♪
2255
01:37:37,082 --> 01:37:40,415
(energetic retro music)
170239
Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.