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[Max]
I'm here outside Bend, Oregon.
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Uh...
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and there's a big old
solar facility right here.
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"High voltage. Keep out.
Authorized personnel."
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What's going on back here?
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They don't want you
breaking into these places,
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but I'm in the facility now,
so you can see this up close.
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You'll notice this is all dusty.
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So, these... these things have
to be cleaned pretty regularly.
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So, most people don't realize
that solar panels
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and solar power facilities
are actually huge water users.
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Um, and they like to
install them in desert areas,
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where water use
is already a big problem.
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Um, these elements are made of
silicon, which is mined and refined,
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using extremely high temperature
destructive processes.
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Then they're mounted on
these big steel pipes here.
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Look at this. I mean, this is just an
industrial energy production facility.
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It... it has nothing to do with
saving the planet whatsoever.
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Uh, it may have a slightly lar...
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lower carbon footprint
than fossil fuels,
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but of course, this all
requires fossil fuels to create.
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Um, the steel was
all made using coal.
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All this material was trucked here
using diesel... diesel trucks,
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extracted all over the world using
massive mining trucks, powered by diesel.
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Uh, smelted using fossil fuels.
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Assembled at plants
likely powered by fossil fuels.
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And, uh... And all of this
destroys the planet,
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no matter where
the power comes from.
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So, this shit ain't green.
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[Julia] We are told that we can
have our cake and eat it too.
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That we can maintain
a high energy lifestyle,
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without destroying the planet.
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We are told that solar,
wind, hydro and biomass
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are clean,
green and sustainable.
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What they don't talk about,
are the unseen harms
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caused by these technologies.
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The processes
which take place out of sight.
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People rarely question the solutions
they are taught to embrace.
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But with all the world at stake,
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we must start
asking the right questions.
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There is a push
for a 100% renewable world.
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And after the research
I've done for this documentary,
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I want no part of it.
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I did not become
an environmentalist
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to protect my way of life,
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or the civilization
in which I live.
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I did it because I am in love
with life on this planet,
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and because the world
I love is under assault.
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This film is for
those whose allegiance
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is with the living world.
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Those who would do
whatever it takes to defend it.
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[Lierre] The environmental
movement used to be
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a very impassioned
group of people who cared deeply
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about the places we loved
and the creatures we loved.
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What's happened, though,
in my lifetime is that,
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this movement that was
so honorable and so impassioned
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has turned into something
completely different.
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And now it's about protecting
a destructive way of life...
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while it destroys the creatures
and the places that we love.
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It's all become, "How do we
continue to fuel this destruction?"
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As if the only problem, was the
fact that we were using oil and gas?
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[Derrick] You will have
hundreds of thousands of people
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marching in the streets of
Washington or New York or Paris.
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And if you ask those individuals,
"Why are you marching?"
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They will say,
"We want to save the planet."
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And if you ask them for
their demands, they will say,
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"We want subsidies for the wind
and solar industries."
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That's extraordinary.
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I can't think of
any time in history,
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when any mass movement has been
so completely captured...
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and turned into lobbyists
for an industry.
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Frankly, solar, hydro, all them,
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do a great big fuck all
to stop global warming.
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But what they do is,
they make us think
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we are accomplishing something,
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while certain sectors
of industry... get rich.
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The natural world isn't really
part of the conversation anymore.
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You know, Kumi Naidoo,
the former head of Greenpeace,
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I was watching him
being interviewed the other day
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and he was saying, you know, "Look,
the planet's going to survive,
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the oceans are going to survive,
forests are going to survive.
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It's really about,
'Can we save ourselves or not?'"
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And I just saw that and I'm thinking,
"What the hell are you saying?"
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This is somebody
who is considered to be,
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you know, one of the top environmentalists
in the world and he's saying,
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"We don't have to worry
about the forest or the oceans."
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I mean, to me, that just betrays
a complete lack of empathy
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and connection
to the natural world.
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I don't know how
you could possibly say that,
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when we're in the midst of
the sixth great mass extinction.
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And it's being caused
by industrial culture.
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It's being caused
by the same institutions,
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the same economies, the same
systems, the same raw materials.
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The same extractive mindset
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that is being used for these
renewable energy technologies.
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[Derrick] Bright Green environmentalism
is founded on the notion that
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technology will solve
environmental problems
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and that you can,
through 100% recycling,
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through wind and solar power
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have an industrial economy
that does not harm the planet.
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Deep ecology is the belief
that we need to radically change
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the way society functions,
in order to be sustainable.
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[Julia]
I'm in New Hampshire,
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getting ready to film
a clear-cut.
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The activist I'm meeting
sent footage he captured,
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of animals
who live in the forest.
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All these creatures
who live here...
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their homes are being destroyed,
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to provide so-called
"green energy,"
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in the form of biomass.
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[Derrick] Biomass is one of the
big, dirty secrets
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of the Bright Green movement.
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What biomass is, is simply
a fancy word for burning stuff.
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What they're doing is, they are cutting
down forests all over the world,
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and burning them
and calling this biomass,
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calling this renewable,
calling this carbon neutral.
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They will talk about how, "Oh, renewables
are growing X percent every year."
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But what they never talk about
is that, for example,
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in their German miracle,
majority of the increase
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in so called renewables
is biomass.
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It's not wind and solar,
like they talk about.
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That's because they don't
really want to talk about
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the fact that their so-called
"renewable energy"
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is simply cutting down forests.
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- [Frank] So they sell these timber sales?
- [Julia] Yep.
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Last year, they got revenue
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- of about $550,000.
- Okay.
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[Frank] Their timber
program costs at least
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three million dollars
to implement.
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Not only are they
removing our trees,
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not only are they removing
the only thing we have
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to sequester carbon
on this Earth...
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- but we pay for it.
- Wow!
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- That's insane.
- It is insane.
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It's completely insane.
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And people don't...
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You t... explain that...
you tell people that,
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and they're like,
"No..." Yeah! Absolutely.
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- We... we, the US taxpayers...
- [mechanical whirring]
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...subsidize these guys,
to kill trees.
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The problem we have right now,
and... and the thing I always
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fight these guys on is that,
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- we have a carbon problem right now.
- Yeah.
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- You know, we're at 400 parts per million or whatever it is.
- Yeah.
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So, you know, that...
and they'll say, "Well,
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yeah, but that tree
will regrow."
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Yeah, but that's
100 years from now.
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- Mm-hmm.
- Where are we going to be then?
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- 600 parts per million? I don't know.
- Yeah.
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But if you
leave that tree there,
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that tree is going to continue,
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not only to sequester the carbon
that's in it right now...
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- Mm-hmm.
- ...but the carbon that, in the next 100 years...
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- Right.
- ...that it would have taken to rep...
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you know, 100 plus years
to replace that tree.
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- It's sequestering that much more carbon in that one tree.
- Mm-hmm.
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- Yeah. Just totally sets you back to remove it.
- So...
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, that's what...
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that's what makes...
you know, so then you go
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to the whole thing
of whole-tree harvesting,
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where not only do they take
the bole of the tree,
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they take everything, you know,
that's removing everything
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from the... from the...
the equation.
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Yeah, and then
you burn it for biomass.
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- And then and then you burn it and it goes poof!
- [chuckles]
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And all that carbon
is instant released
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into the atmosphere that's
already overloaded with carbon.
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It's kind of like a spider web.
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You have
all these trails going off.
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That's the beginning
of the clear-cut.
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I mean, you walk out the thing
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and... and it's going
to hit you in the face.
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An old forest has carbon
as part of the trees.
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The soil, the branches.
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That's all carbon that is...
is currently sequestered
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and is not going out
into the atmosphere.
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You cut that tree down.
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Not only does it
stop sequestering carbon,
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but it actually starts emitting
carbon from the soil that's left,
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because the soil
has been disturbed.
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To generate
a unit of electricity,
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biomass will release more carbon
than coal will...
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and coal's plenty dirty enough.
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We're looking at the aftermath
of a 245 acre...
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whole-tree harvest
liquidation cut,
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where effectively, they removed
all of the above ground biomass.
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Almost all the trees. They left
a couple of pine here and there,
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uh, one or two little patches
that they didn't cut,
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but effectively,
it's a 245 acre clear-cut.
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To call it carbon neutral,
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you have to do some
pretty dishonest accounting.
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For instance,
the European Union...
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doesn't count the carbon
it released in its burning
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in its calculations,
whereas the American forests
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that are supplying the carbon
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don't count the carbon they're
releasing during the harvesting.
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Now, the justification is,
we don't want to count it twice,
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so we don't count it at all.
And now it's carbon neutral.
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We got to count at once, folks.
And when you count at once,
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it doesn't matter whether
it's the carbon released
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from the burning of it,
or whether you count
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the carbon stored in that forest
that you've liquidated,
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because now
it's going to be burned
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and it's going to be released.
So, uh, I guess I...
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I'm not comfortable with
an industry that deceives me,
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about something
as important as climate change.
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[Derrick]
As forests get older...
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they sequester
more and more carbon.
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They sequester more
and more carbon per year.
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Every time
you cut down the forest,
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you are
removing lots of biomass,
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and you're
removing lots of nutrients.
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You're completely
stressing out the forest.
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You're removing
all those who live there,
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and you are somehow
expecting it to recover.
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I love the line by John Livingston,
"There is no surplus in nature."
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Every tree that's taken out
was a home for someone else
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and was food for someone else.
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[music fades]
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[waves crashing]
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[Julia] Bright Green environmentalists
love pointing out examples
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of countries that have switched
to renewable energy,
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but there are a lot of
inconsistencies in these claims.
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One problem is that they
will often imply this energy
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comes from solar and wind,
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when the majority of this
so-called "green energy"
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comes from hydro.
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[Derrick]
Hydro is incredibly destructive.
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Dams destroy
the regions below the dam.
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They destroy
the river above the dam.
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They kill the fish, who can no
longer move up and down the river.
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Dams increase
the water temperature.
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And then to sort of
top all this off,
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dams are claimed
to be carbon neutral,
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but that's been known
for decades not to be true.
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But there are those
who call dams "methane bombs,"
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because they
release so much methane.
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One of the reasons they produce methane
is that, when the reservoir first rises,
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it will, of course,
inundate the land above.
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And when the forest
has been inundated,
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it then decays
in anaerobic conditions
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and produces methane.
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It is almost a prototypical
Bright Green lie,
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in that they claim
it is good for the environment,
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when actually it is harmful
for the environment,
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and it is harmful for
even global warming purposes.
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It succeeds on no level.
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[Max] One of the pioneering
writers in this field
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is a guy named Ozzie Zehner,
who wrote a book called Green Illusions.
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And he starts off the book
with a story,
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from when he was working,
doing solar installations.
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And he was in Washington, D.C.
and these politicians
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wanted to install solar panels
on their roof.
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So, he went to their house
to check out the site and...
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and see what it would look like, so he
could give them a... you know, a quote.
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And he got there
and assessed the situation
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and he went back
and talked to them and he said,
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"Look, you've got these
beautiful old oak trees
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growing on the south side
of your house,
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and if you want to put in
solar panels on your roof,
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we're going to have to
cut these trees down.
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And I would actually recommend that
you don't install the solar panels,
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because both in terms
of greenhouse gas emissions,
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and, uh, your electricity bill,
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these trees are providing
a greater benefit
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by shading your house
in the summer,
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by protecting it
from winds in the winter, uh,
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than the solar panels would."
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And the people said,
"We don't care about that.
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We actually want you to
go ahead and cut them down
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and install the sol...
solar panels anyway."
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And I think that really
gets to the fundamental issue
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with these technologies is that,
for many people,
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they're more about
a status symbol
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and an indication of a...
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Some sort of
greener than thou...
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uh, mindset that's going on,
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than they are
an actual solution.
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[Derrick] If you can install
a solar panel on your roof...
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you may not
directly be seeing any smoke
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come out of any smokestacks...
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but that doesn't
mean it's not happening.
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You can't produce
a solar/wind infrastructure
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without fossil fuels.
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[Max] To produce solar
panels, you need...
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extremely high-purity silicon.
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It's something
like 99.999% pure.
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And that's not found in nature.
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But what you have to do is,
you have to go find
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the purest silicon deposits
that you can.
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And this is usually
in the form of sand mining,
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and this happens
around the world,
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and it's highly,
highly destructive.
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[Derrick] Because of the
demand for high-quality silica,
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there are islands off the coast of
China that have disappeared completely.
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They have mined the island
out of existence.
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They require rare earths and
much of the rare earth minerals
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come from Baotou in China.
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And Baotou is, essentially,
devoid of wildlife,
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and there is a, basically,
19 square-mile tailings pond,
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tailings lake,
in which nothing can grow.
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So, don't tell me
this has no effects.
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Don't tell me this is
environmentally neutral.
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[liquid rushing and splashing]
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[dark dramatic music]
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[Julia] Mining, pollution,
carbon emissions.
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The production
of renewable technologies
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has obvious
environmental impacts.
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I wanted to see what mainstream
environmental organizations
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were saying about
so-called "green energy."
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[fast typing]
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NRDC. Our work. Climate change.
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"Fighting climate change
by cutting carbon pollution
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and expanding clean energy
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is the best way
to build a better future
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for our children."
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Policy solution.
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"Increase renewable energy.
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Bolster global
clean energy financing."
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World Wildlife Fund. Climate.
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"Create a climate-resilient
and zero-carbon world,
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powered by renewable energy."
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Sierra Club.
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They're advocating
for people to sign a petition
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telling members of Congress
to support a Green New Deal.
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David Suzuki Foundation.
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"Canadians overwhelmingly
support a quick transition
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to efficient,
zero-emissions energy."
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"Clean energy." "Clean energy."
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"Clean energy provides
a wide array of services."
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"Clean electricity
will replace fossil fuels."
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Okay, this is Greenpeace.
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"Renewable energy
is cheap, sustainable
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and already making our planet
more green and peaceful.
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It disrupts
corporate energy systems.
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It's great for our health, and there's
nothing better for our planet."
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[jovial music]
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[David] You know,
why don't we imitate a forest
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and try to do
what the forest does?
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Take this clean, free energy
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and... and use it.
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And, um, that, to me,
is the opportunity.
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I think that every bit of our
clothing should be a solar panel.
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Uh, you know, I... I've got a backpack
that's got a solar panel on it,
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and I can charge my laptop
and my cell phone,
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right from the, uh...
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My... my, uh, backpack.
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I think that hats
and everything... [chuckles]
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You know, um, in France now,
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they're building
1000 kilometers of highway,
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and the highway
is a solar panel.
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And that highway,
1000 kilometers,
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will service I don't know
how many 100,000 homes.
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And, um, the same thing
with concrete sidewalks.
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It should... our buildings should
be wrapped in solar panels,
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not just have them
up on the roofs,
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but everywhere
that sunlight hits,
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let's grab that and use it
the way that a forest does.
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[Julia] It's hard for me
to see many similarities
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between forests and solar
energy generation facilities.
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We all know solar panels
don't grow out of the ground.
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They require
a global supply chain
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and a functioning
industrial economy.
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With all the mining,
shipping, manufacturing
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and environmental harms
inherent to these processes.
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While forests sequester carbon,
provide habitat,
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and promote biodiversity.
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Solar electric
generating facilities
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require habitat destruction,
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both at the site
where they are installed,
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and around the world, where the
materials to make them are extracted.
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While editing this film,
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I researched
the solar highway in France.
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Turns out it broke,
shortly after it was installed.
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One publication described
it as a "total disaster."
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Solar and wind have been called
alternative fossil fuels,
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because they require
fossil fuels
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at every stage
of the production process.
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So the mining, the shipping,
the manufacturing...
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- Yeah.
- ...it might be less than fossil fuels,
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but it still
adds up to quite a bit.
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You don't get
anything for nothing.
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Yeah, you know, to lay the asphalt,
uh, highway that France is,
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- you use a lot of fossil fuels.
- Yeah.
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Um, and that's the, uh,
the dilemma we're in.
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It seems to me that we have to
get off the... the deliberate...
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burning of fossil fuels that can
be replaced with electricity,
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and, uh, we have to minimize
the, uh, the c...
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the carbon that we use
in creating the products
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that are really going
to give us a big edge.
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But you don't get anything
for nothing.
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And there's no question,
you know,
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you think of all the metals
that go into a windmill.
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Even the servicing is going
to take, uh, fossil fuels
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to... to get up there and...
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Yeah, th...
but it's a question of...
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are they in the long term,
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are they going to
reduce our carbon footprint...
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in... in a long term way?
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[Julia]
That's the real question.
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Do solar panels
and wind turbines
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actually reduce carbon
emissions in the long term?
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There's an assumption that when you add
energy from solar or wind to the grid,
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it displaces fossil fuels.
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But this isn't what
we're seeing in the real world.
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This is really one of the key...
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elements in
the Bright Green vision.
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Is this idea that, as you bring
more and more green energy online,
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you turn off more fossil fuels.
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You don't need them anymore,
so you can get rid of them.
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And that's just not happening.
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If you actually
look at the data,
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the increase
in renewable energy,
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that power
is generally added on top
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of what's already available
from coal power plants,
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from fossil fuel power plants,
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from nuclear,
from hydro and so on.
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Research I've done,
looking at data on many nations,
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over time, mostly over
the past five decades or so...
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um, shows that there's not
a strong rate of suppression,
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when you add
non-fossil fuel energy
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of suppressing fossil fuel use.
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It takes maybe
four to ten times more, um,
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non-fossil fuel energy, to get one
unit reduction in fossil energy,
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controlling for
what you'd expect
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from growth of population,
GDP and so forth.
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If you look at the trends
in all energy sources,
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roughly speaking,
they've all grown rapidly.
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Fossil fuels,
when you add natural gas,
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you don't see any suppression,
per se of coal
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or oil consumption.
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Nuclear power doesn't seem to have
a strong effect on the others.
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Meaning, all energy sources
are consumed
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as their production increases.
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And so I've called that, um,
the displacement paradox,
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just meaning, you know, we might
assume that one would displace another,
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it would push another
out in proportion,
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and we don't see that,
or we don't see it strongly.
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To the extent there is displacement,
it's certainly not one-for-one.
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But if you think about it,
most industries,
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companies, corporations,
they're trying to make profits.
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They're trying to expand
production and consumption.
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They're not trying
to conserve resources.
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So, that's historically,
new energy sources have just
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allowed for more growth, more...
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more production,
more consumption.
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If we want to
push out fossil fuels,
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I think we need to
push out fossil fuels,
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rather than just hoping
producing more
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wind or solar will do that,
naturally in the marketplace.
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[Julia] While these energy
sources are being brought online,
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- they tend to add on top of the fossil fuels...
- [phone chimes]
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- Yeah.
- ...they don't tend to displace them.
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So, it takes, on... on average,
about ten units of... of, like,
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solar or wind to displace
one unit of fossil fuel energy.
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- That's recently added to the grid... [inaudible]
- Yeah. Yeah.
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So, what is the conclusion
from an analysis like that?
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We shouldn't do anything?
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- No, I don't think so.
- Is it saying it's making it worse,
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by trying to
come up with a solution?
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No, it's... it's not.
It's not that.
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It's just maybe we're looking in
the wrong places for solutions.
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That maybe we need to tackle it
on a more systemic level.
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- Yeah, there's... there's no question.
- [inaudible]
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I mean, our major impact
on the planet now,
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not just in terms of energy,
is consumption.
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And that was
a deliberate program.
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After all... [stutters]
you're way too young,
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but, uh, I remember the impact
of the Great Depression.
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The 1930s. My mom and dad
were married in the 1930s,
480
00:24:51,396 --> 00:24:55,400
and that was a terrible time
and people learned to live
481
00:24:55,433 --> 00:24:58,037
and, you know,
cooperate and act together.
482
00:24:58,069 --> 00:25:02,207
In many ways, communities were much
stronger and tighter back then,
483
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,209
because you had to.
484
00:25:04,343 --> 00:25:06,812
What brought us out of
the Depression was World War II.
485
00:25:06,845 --> 00:25:09,749
Wars are great
for bringing economies up.
486
00:25:10,615 --> 00:25:13,952
As the war was coming to an end,
the Pr... U.S. President said,
487
00:25:13,986 --> 00:25:15,721
"Holy... we're
going to win this...
488
00:25:15,753 --> 00:25:18,223
but what do we do with
the economy in peacetime?"
489
00:25:19,124 --> 00:25:22,028
So, he asked his
Council of Economic Advisers...
490
00:25:22,728 --> 00:25:26,832
"How do you transition a wartime
economy to a peacetime economy?"
491
00:25:26,865 --> 00:25:29,234
And their answer
was "Consumption.
492
00:25:29,268 --> 00:25:33,372
You've got to make consumption
an American way of life."
493
00:25:33,404 --> 00:25:36,675
Buy things, use them up,
throw them away and buy more.
494
00:25:37,409 --> 00:25:40,079
And it works. 70% of
the North American economy,
495
00:25:40,112 --> 00:25:41,514
now is about consumption.
496
00:25:41,547 --> 00:25:45,518
So, we have a real pickle,
because the economy now
497
00:25:45,550 --> 00:25:49,521
has been so dedicated
to consumption.
498
00:25:49,555 --> 00:25:52,591
And we think that the economy
has got to be kept growing.
499
00:25:52,624 --> 00:25:56,828
Well, constant growth
is the creative cancer cells.
500
00:25:56,862 --> 00:25:58,965
Cancer cells think
they can grow forever.
501
00:26:00,699 --> 00:26:03,903
[tense dramatic music]
502
00:26:03,935 --> 00:26:06,371
[Derrick] What is the
energy being used for?
503
00:26:06,404 --> 00:26:08,106
Within this culture,
504
00:26:08,140 --> 00:26:11,410
production is the conversion
of the living to the dead.
505
00:26:11,442 --> 00:26:14,579
It's the conversion of
living forests to two-by-fours.
506
00:26:14,613 --> 00:26:17,682
A living forest is not counted.
507
00:26:17,715 --> 00:26:20,519
All these fish in the oceans,
they don't actually count.
508
00:26:20,551 --> 00:26:22,420
What happens is,
when the fish get killed
509
00:26:22,453 --> 00:26:24,923
and then
converted into fish sticks...
510
00:26:24,957 --> 00:26:26,626
then that adds to the GNP.
511
00:26:27,925 --> 00:26:33,064
[Max] Alternative energies both
support and are produced by
512
00:26:33,097 --> 00:26:35,667
the industrial system
that's killing the planet.
513
00:26:35,701 --> 00:26:39,605
So, when people talk about
100% renewable energy transition
514
00:26:39,637 --> 00:26:42,441
to save the planet,
to save civilization,
515
00:26:42,473 --> 00:26:44,710
what they're actually
talking about is sustaining
516
00:26:44,742 --> 00:26:48,213
modern, high energy,
uh, ways of life,
517
00:26:48,247 --> 00:26:49,981
at the expense
of the natural world.
518
00:26:50,015 --> 00:26:53,386
I think we often have this,
uh, image that it's...
519
00:26:53,419 --> 00:26:56,122
wind power
and solar power companies
520
00:26:56,154 --> 00:26:59,191
competing with
fossil fuel power companies.
521
00:26:59,223 --> 00:27:02,260
And I think that... you know,
that varies on ownership,
522
00:27:02,294 --> 00:27:05,064
but a lot of times,
it's the same company
523
00:27:05,096 --> 00:27:08,000
that owns wind power
and fossil fuels.
524
00:27:08,032 --> 00:27:10,535
That's the nature
of economies, that...
525
00:27:10,568 --> 00:27:13,239
companies are involved in
these activities to make money.
526
00:27:13,271 --> 00:27:17,475
They're not trying to... to
displace or change other things.
527
00:27:17,509 --> 00:27:19,979
When a... a company
invests in wind power,
528
00:27:20,011 --> 00:27:22,514
it's typically
an economic decision,
529
00:27:22,548 --> 00:27:25,884
and that doesn't mean that they're
then trying to use less fossil fuel.
530
00:27:25,917 --> 00:27:30,388
And the irony is, a lot of times the
profits that come from renewable energy,
531
00:27:30,422 --> 00:27:32,391
can be invested
anywhere in the economy.
532
00:27:32,423 --> 00:27:34,926
That's another misunderstanding
about economies,
533
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,295
capitalist economies.
534
00:27:36,327 --> 00:27:37,896
If you make profits
from wind power,
535
00:27:37,930 --> 00:27:40,231
that doesn't mean those profits
are invested in wind power.
536
00:27:40,265 --> 00:27:43,169
They can be invested anywhere.
So, somewhere the irony is,
537
00:27:43,201 --> 00:27:46,806
those profits can also be invested
in expanding fossil fuel extraction.
538
00:27:46,838 --> 00:27:50,842
[light dramatic music]
539
00:27:50,875 --> 00:27:54,379
[Max] I lived for a number
of years in Salt Lake City,
540
00:27:54,413 --> 00:27:56,414
and the largest
copper mine in the world
541
00:27:56,448 --> 00:27:58,384
was about ten miles
from my house.
542
00:27:59,084 --> 00:28:02,888
And, uh, that mine is called
the Bingham Canyon Mine,
543
00:28:02,921 --> 00:28:04,789
it's been operating
for 100 years.
544
00:28:04,823 --> 00:28:08,326
And it's a mountaintop
removal mine.
545
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,530
It's one of the largest
man-made holes on the planet.
546
00:28:12,564 --> 00:28:14,933
Copper production
is absolutely essential
547
00:28:14,967 --> 00:28:16,569
for green technologies.
548
00:28:16,602 --> 00:28:18,871
A single
wind turbine generator...
549
00:28:18,903 --> 00:28:24,076
maybe a five megawatt design, probably has
something like 1000lbs of copper in it.
550
00:28:24,108 --> 00:28:26,611
So, people like Mark Jacobson,
551
00:28:26,644 --> 00:28:29,449
who are calling for
100% renewable energy...
552
00:28:30,315 --> 00:28:32,817
He's calling for 3.8 million
553
00:28:32,851 --> 00:28:35,387
five megawatt turbines
to be built.
554
00:28:35,420 --> 00:28:39,425
Now, multiply that by
1000lbs of copper per turbine,
555
00:28:39,458 --> 00:28:41,293
and you've got a lot of copper.
I think it would be about
556
00:28:41,326 --> 00:28:44,329
six years of
the full production from...
557
00:28:44,363 --> 00:28:46,097
the Bingham Canyon mine,
which again,
558
00:28:46,131 --> 00:28:48,100
is the largest copper mine
in the world.
559
00:28:48,133 --> 00:28:52,104
So, when people say that wind turbines
are clean and green and sustainable,
560
00:28:52,136 --> 00:28:55,707
I think it's completely
out of touch with reality.
561
00:28:57,742 --> 00:29:01,114
[dark dramatic music]
562
00:29:18,462 --> 00:29:21,767
Um, well,
my goals are to develop
563
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:24,903
clean and renewable energy
solutions to global warming,
564
00:29:24,936 --> 00:29:27,472
air pollution
and energy and security.
565
00:29:27,506 --> 00:29:32,478
So, I do this by going state-by-state
in the U.S. and country-by-country,
566
00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:35,413
and developing clean
and renewable energy plans,
567
00:29:35,446 --> 00:29:39,651
uh, that result... that require
electrifying all energy sectors,
568
00:29:39,684 --> 00:29:42,053
including electricity,
which is already electrified,
569
00:29:42,086 --> 00:29:43,855
transportation,
heating and cooling,
570
00:29:43,888 --> 00:29:46,692
industry, agriculture,
forestry and fishing.
571
00:29:46,724 --> 00:29:49,627
And then providing that
electricity with 100% clean,
572
00:29:49,661 --> 00:29:52,264
renewable wind,
water and solar power...
573
00:29:52,297 --> 00:29:55,534
and... and also
involving storage,
574
00:29:55,567 --> 00:29:59,505
and, uh, some additional
transmission as well.
575
00:30:00,372 --> 00:30:03,142
[Julia] What percentage
of the electricity
576
00:30:03,174 --> 00:30:05,476
would be from what?
Like solar, wind,
577
00:30:05,509 --> 00:30:08,146
or... like, what percentages
would they take that?
578
00:30:08,180 --> 00:30:11,650
Well, in a 100% clean renewable
energy economy worldwide,
579
00:30:11,682 --> 00:30:13,051
we'd probably have around...
580
00:30:13,986 --> 00:30:18,791
55% solar, maybe 40% wind...
581
00:30:18,824 --> 00:30:20,526
And, uh,
582
00:30:20,558 --> 00:30:23,128
you know, the rest of it is I...
583
00:30:23,961 --> 00:30:25,497
You know, it's going to be
everything else, like,
584
00:30:25,529 --> 00:30:28,433
hydroelectric, geothermal,
tidal wave power
585
00:30:28,467 --> 00:30:29,569
in small quantities...
586
00:30:30,368 --> 00:30:31,803
so...
587
00:30:31,836 --> 00:30:34,506
Yeah, so it's going to be...
588
00:30:34,538 --> 00:30:35,974
you know, mostly solar and wind.
589
00:30:36,807 --> 00:30:39,744
[dark dramatic music]
590
00:30:40,545 --> 00:30:44,416
[Max] Wind energy, of course is
produced by these giant turbines
591
00:30:44,449 --> 00:30:47,253
that they erect in the windiest
places they can find.
592
00:30:47,286 --> 00:30:49,488
And they've been
doing it for a long time now.
593
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,924
One of the first
production-scale wind facilities
594
00:30:52,958 --> 00:30:56,028
was down in California,
near the Bay Area.
595
00:30:56,060 --> 00:30:59,298
And they... they called that particular
place, "The Cuisinart for Birds,"
596
00:30:59,330 --> 00:31:01,432
because it killed so many birds.
597
00:31:01,465 --> 00:31:04,102
And that's
one of the first problems
598
00:31:04,135 --> 00:31:06,038
that these wind turbines cause,
599
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:09,440
is they kill a lot of birds,
and they kill a lot of bats.
600
00:31:09,473 --> 00:31:12,377
What happens with bats is that,
601
00:31:12,411 --> 00:31:14,046
they'll be flying near
the blades,
602
00:31:14,078 --> 00:31:16,615
and as the blades move,
they're creating such a massive
603
00:31:16,647 --> 00:31:19,751
pressure differential
between the front of the blade
604
00:31:19,785 --> 00:31:21,854
and the back of the blade,
that, um...
605
00:31:22,688 --> 00:31:25,057
that their lungs will explode.
606
00:31:25,089 --> 00:31:27,091
And it's called barotrauma.
607
00:31:27,125 --> 00:31:30,195
It's a pressure injury,
essentially and, um...
608
00:31:31,028 --> 00:31:32,932
I'm sure a pretty horrible
way to die.
609
00:31:34,298 --> 00:31:35,334
And...
610
00:31:36,468 --> 00:31:39,638
So, the impacts
on bats and birds alone,
611
00:31:39,671 --> 00:31:43,409
are reason enough
to never support wind energy.
612
00:31:46,144 --> 00:31:50,848
[Derrick] If you talk to these
mainstream so-called "environmentalists"
613
00:31:50,882 --> 00:31:53,451
about the bird deaths
from windmills,
614
00:31:53,484 --> 00:31:55,320
or the bat deaths
from windmills,
615
00:31:55,354 --> 00:31:58,057
they will oftentimes say, "Well,
616
00:31:58,089 --> 00:32:00,091
there's a lot more birds
die from cats,
617
00:32:00,125 --> 00:32:02,894
or a lot more
birds die from skyscrapers,"
618
00:32:02,928 --> 00:32:04,296
as though that makes it okay.
619
00:32:04,328 --> 00:32:06,498
Buildings kill
one billion birds per year,
620
00:32:06,530 --> 00:32:08,834
and cats kill about
three billion birds per year.
621
00:32:08,866 --> 00:32:12,203
So, it's really a red herring
to talk about birds'...
622
00:32:12,237 --> 00:32:13,971
bit... death
due to wind turbines.
623
00:32:14,005 --> 00:32:17,209
And I think about this
in terms of a medical model,
624
00:32:17,241 --> 00:32:21,046
that if you have someone
in a hospital who has,
625
00:32:21,078 --> 00:32:23,248
for example,
AIDS and they have...
626
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,152
seven different opportunistic
infections are going after them,
627
00:32:27,184 --> 00:32:29,020
You don't say, "Well...
628
00:32:29,054 --> 00:32:31,290
it doesn't matter if we add
MRSA to the mix, does it?"
629
00:32:32,190 --> 00:32:34,026
Just because there's one
bad thing can happen to you,
630
00:32:34,058 --> 00:32:36,228
doesn't mean you don't
prevent the second bad thing.
631
00:32:36,260 --> 00:32:38,730
That's the same with all these
wind energy facilities,
632
00:32:38,763 --> 00:32:43,234
that just because there are birds
who die flying into skyscrapers,
633
00:32:43,268 --> 00:32:45,537
doesn't mean you should kill
200 million more every year
634
00:32:45,569 --> 00:32:48,139
with wind energy generators.
It makes no sense!
635
00:32:48,173 --> 00:32:50,709
You would think... here's
the thing is, if there were
636
00:32:50,741 --> 00:32:52,577
no other threats to them,
637
00:32:52,611 --> 00:32:54,146
then maybe you could
consider this,
638
00:32:54,179 --> 00:32:56,682
except still, for those
200 million birds it'd be bad,
639
00:32:56,714 --> 00:32:59,951
but when the bird populations
are collapsing anyway,
640
00:32:59,984 --> 00:33:01,920
you're adding another threat.
Are you nuts?
641
00:33:04,122 --> 00:33:05,257
This is horrible.
642
00:33:06,424 --> 00:33:09,728
[Julia] So what would be
the impact on birds and bats
643
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,932
if we had 40% wind energy?
644
00:33:14,065 --> 00:33:16,668
Yeah, we would reduce
bird and bat deaths
645
00:33:16,701 --> 00:33:18,836
by about a factor of ten,
646
00:33:18,869 --> 00:33:21,439
compared to what they are
from fossil fuels.
647
00:33:21,472 --> 00:33:23,975
So in other words, fossil...
648
00:33:24,009 --> 00:33:25,576
You know,
wind turbines kill birds.
649
00:33:25,609 --> 00:33:28,746
The American Bird Conservancy
estimates in the United States
650
00:33:28,779 --> 00:33:32,451
about 400,000 to 500,000 birds
per year and were killed.
651
00:33:32,483 --> 00:33:36,922
But we also know that oil,
coal and gas, for example,
652
00:33:36,954 --> 00:33:39,724
they kill birds at a rate
that is ten times higher,
653
00:33:39,758 --> 00:33:41,894
per unit of energy,
than wind power does,
654
00:33:41,926 --> 00:33:46,330
due to not only destroying
their habitats, uh, and...
655
00:33:46,364 --> 00:33:49,434
[stutters]... by all
the mining that goes on.
656
00:33:49,468 --> 00:33:51,170
One of the first rules
of propaganda is
657
00:33:51,202 --> 00:33:53,806
if you can slide your premises
by people, you've got them.
658
00:33:53,838 --> 00:33:57,143
And so, if you can...
659
00:33:58,910 --> 00:34:02,014
frame a question as, "Well...
660
00:34:03,013 --> 00:34:06,284
look, lots of birds are going
to die from global warming.
661
00:34:06,317 --> 00:34:08,719
So instead, what if we only have
662
00:34:08,753 --> 00:34:12,224
200 million birds a year
die from windmills.
663
00:34:12,257 --> 00:34:13,259
Isn't that better?"
664
00:34:15,527 --> 00:34:20,298
Okay, what is inherent in
that question is the notion
665
00:34:20,331 --> 00:34:23,034
that the world
needs industrial energy,
666
00:34:23,068 --> 00:34:23,969
and that...
667
00:34:25,135 --> 00:34:31,943
the choice is between
burning oil and gas and coal,
668
00:34:31,976 --> 00:34:35,079
and having wind turbines.
669
00:34:35,112 --> 00:34:38,649
But that's not the choice,
for multiple reasons.
670
00:34:38,682 --> 00:34:40,652
One reason
that's not the choice...
671
00:34:41,353 --> 00:34:42,320
is because...
672
00:34:43,621 --> 00:34:47,625
there is nothing inevitable
about industrial production.
673
00:34:47,659 --> 00:34:49,394
It is a social choice,
674
00:34:49,427 --> 00:34:52,396
and given that the planet is being
killed because of those choices,
675
00:34:52,429 --> 00:34:54,165
you would think
we would make different choices.
676
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,335
[Julia] Do you think it
would be better for, like,
677
00:34:56,367 --> 00:35:00,371
the natural world
if we just didn't use energy?
678
00:35:00,405 --> 00:35:04,309
Well, I suppose that would
be nice, but, um... [chuckles]
679
00:35:04,342 --> 00:35:06,912
- Yeah, it's not a very practical thing...
- Yeah.
680
00:35:06,945 --> 00:35:09,081
...but it's, uh, it's...
definitely it would be nice
681
00:35:09,114 --> 00:35:11,016
if we didn't use energy,
but then how would we...
682
00:35:12,117 --> 00:35:14,385
You know,
we would not be able to survive.
683
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,623
[Julia] Gosh,
I wonder how humans survived
684
00:35:17,655 --> 00:35:21,893
for the past 200,000
years without electricity?
685
00:35:21,927 --> 00:35:24,896
Could it be that we don't
actually need electricity
686
00:35:24,929 --> 00:35:26,030
for our survival?
687
00:35:27,264 --> 00:35:29,835
[Derrick] Electricity is a convenience.
It is a luxury.
688
00:35:29,867 --> 00:35:33,672
Humans have survived for
tens of thousands of years...
689
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:36,175
without industrial electricity.
690
00:35:36,974 --> 00:35:38,943
And there's a real question...
691
00:35:38,976 --> 00:35:41,112
as to whether
humans will survive,
692
00:35:41,146 --> 00:35:43,749
with industrial electricity.
693
00:35:43,782 --> 00:35:47,686
What is energy used for when
it's produced in this society?
694
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,253
It's used for the military.
695
00:35:49,286 --> 00:35:52,390
It's used for
producing cheap consumer goods.
696
00:35:52,423 --> 00:35:54,259
It's used for entertainment.
697
00:35:54,291 --> 00:35:57,028
It's used for transportation.
698
00:35:57,061 --> 00:36:00,766
It's mostly used for
these non-essential luxuries
699
00:36:00,798 --> 00:36:03,302
that are destroying the planet,
in one way or another.
700
00:36:04,802 --> 00:36:08,840
[light dramatic music]
701
00:36:10,074 --> 00:36:11,309
[Julia]
This is Ivanpah.
702
00:36:12,110 --> 00:36:14,780
It's a concentrated
solar power system,
703
00:36:14,813 --> 00:36:17,148
located in
southeastern California.
704
00:36:18,115 --> 00:36:22,119
A field of mirrors concentrate
sunlight on a central tower,
705
00:36:22,152 --> 00:36:25,590
heating a fluid inside to
over 1000 degrees Fahrenheit.
706
00:36:26,590 --> 00:36:29,193
The light from the mirrors
attracts insects,
707
00:36:29,226 --> 00:36:31,762
and the insects attract birds.
708
00:36:31,795 --> 00:36:34,432
The concentrated sunlight
burns every creature
709
00:36:34,465 --> 00:36:35,701
who flies overhead.
710
00:36:37,434 --> 00:36:39,103
[Derrick] Before you can
commit any mass atrocity,
711
00:36:39,137 --> 00:36:41,606
you have to have
what Robert Jay Lifton calls,
712
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:43,174
"A claim to virtue."
713
00:36:43,208 --> 00:36:44,809
And what he means by that,
is that...
714
00:36:45,844 --> 00:36:50,282
no one ever admits
to causing an atrocity.
715
00:36:50,315 --> 00:36:54,086
That internally, you have to make
yourself out to be the good person.
716
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:56,288
And so,
from their own perspective,
717
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,958
the Nazis weren't committing
mass murder and genocide,
718
00:36:59,990 --> 00:37:02,860
they were
purifying the Aryan race.
719
00:37:02,893 --> 00:37:05,129
And today capitalists
are not killing the planet,
720
00:37:05,163 --> 00:37:05,998
they are...
721
00:37:06,864 --> 00:37:08,500
developing natural resources.
722
00:37:08,532 --> 00:37:10,434
And how this relates
to the Bright Greens,
723
00:37:10,467 --> 00:37:13,371
is the Bright Greens are not
in fact killing the planet,
724
00:37:13,405 --> 00:37:16,108
but they are saving the planet.
725
00:37:16,141 --> 00:37:19,077
Unfortunately, they might have to
kill part of the desert to do it,
726
00:37:19,110 --> 00:37:21,680
and so,
you can see headlines like,
727
00:37:21,713 --> 00:37:24,216
"Harming the desert
to save the world."
728
00:37:24,248 --> 00:37:27,852
That was before they put in this
solar power generation facility,
729
00:37:27,885 --> 00:37:29,721
that caused great harm to birds,
730
00:37:29,753 --> 00:37:32,356
caused great harm
to desert tortoises.
731
00:37:32,389 --> 00:37:34,058
Great harm to the landscape.
732
00:37:34,092 --> 00:37:36,260
It's all a claim to virtue.
733
00:37:36,293 --> 00:37:38,596
The planet itself does not need
734
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:40,865
solar power
generation facilities.
735
00:37:41,766 --> 00:37:42,968
The planet needs...
736
00:37:44,135 --> 00:37:46,305
to have this stopped.
737
00:37:48,373 --> 00:37:50,509
There are some estimates that
738
00:37:50,541 --> 00:37:54,179
solar energy
generation facilities,
739
00:37:54,211 --> 00:37:57,715
by 2050, they could be
the greatest threat to habitat.
740
00:37:57,748 --> 00:37:59,250
So, that's how many
they want to put in.
741
00:38:01,318 --> 00:38:03,587
It's extraordinary what you can
get by if you've... [stutters]
742
00:38:03,621 --> 00:38:05,657
got a claim to virtue,
as we saw with the Holocaust,
743
00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:07,659
as we're seeing with
the murder of the planet.
744
00:38:07,692 --> 00:38:10,327
I've seen environmentalists,
sort of mainstream,
745
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,731
Bright Green environmentalists,
applauding the construction
746
00:38:13,764 --> 00:38:17,469
of gigantic
battery factories in Nevada,
747
00:38:17,501 --> 00:38:21,072
simply because they're
for electric automobiles.
748
00:38:21,106 --> 00:38:22,441
And that's nuts.
749
00:38:22,474 --> 00:38:24,376
Environmentalists in general...
750
00:38:26,043 --> 00:38:30,882
have... have historically been pretty
decent on being opposed to electronics...
751
00:38:31,615 --> 00:38:33,518
and environmentalists,
historically have been
752
00:38:33,550 --> 00:38:35,219
pretty strong
in being opposed...
753
00:38:36,186 --> 00:38:37,422
to automobiles.
754
00:38:38,222 --> 00:38:39,757
But somehow,
755
00:38:39,791 --> 00:38:42,827
if you combine
electronics and automobiles,
756
00:38:42,860 --> 00:38:44,429
then suddenly it's a good idea.
757
00:38:45,396 --> 00:38:46,699
That's crazy.
758
00:38:48,065 --> 00:38:51,335
Never mind the fact,
that most of the pollution
759
00:38:51,369 --> 00:38:53,905
coming from an automobile does
not emerge from the tailpipe,
760
00:38:53,938 --> 00:38:55,840
it's in
the construction vehicle.
761
00:38:55,873 --> 00:38:58,009
And never mind the fact that
762
00:38:58,041 --> 00:39:04,115
there are about 228 trillion
insects killed per year by cars.
763
00:39:04,148 --> 00:39:05,217
There are about...
764
00:39:06,418 --> 00:39:09,588
two billion vertebrate animals
killed every year by cars,
765
00:39:09,621 --> 00:39:11,956
and I don't care whether
they're electric cars or...
766
00:39:11,989 --> 00:39:14,859
diesel or gasoline engine,
doesn't matter.
767
00:39:14,893 --> 00:39:16,894
And that's only those
who were killed directly.
768
00:39:16,927 --> 00:39:19,163
Roads fragment habitat.
769
00:39:19,197 --> 00:39:21,500
Punching in roads
into new areas,
770
00:39:21,532 --> 00:39:24,402
make it so loggers can follow,
miners can follow...
771
00:39:25,235 --> 00:39:27,471
all sorts
of destruction follows.
772
00:39:27,505 --> 00:39:30,842
And somehow, if it's an electric
vehicle, it's supposed to be okay.
773
00:39:30,875 --> 00:39:33,844
Of course, electric cars, like a
lot of the other green technologies,
774
00:39:33,878 --> 00:39:35,614
are getting huge subsidies.
775
00:39:35,646 --> 00:39:37,581
There are these tax credits.
776
00:39:37,614 --> 00:39:40,885
There are write offs,
there are government rebates.
777
00:39:40,918 --> 00:39:43,654
And this is a public subsidy,
778
00:39:43,688 --> 00:39:46,090
coming directly
from our tax dollars
779
00:39:46,123 --> 00:39:48,259
and going to corporations.
780
00:39:48,293 --> 00:39:51,163
And it's incentivizing them
to build more cars,
781
00:39:51,195 --> 00:39:53,632
to build more factories,
to build more parking lots,
782
00:39:53,664 --> 00:39:57,601
to build more shopping malls, to build
more highways, to build more roads.
783
00:39:57,635 --> 00:39:59,805
To invest in car culture,
as a whole.
784
00:39:59,838 --> 00:40:00,972
[Derrick] There was a
headline the other day
785
00:40:01,005 --> 00:40:03,108
that was pretty funny.
It was about how...
786
00:40:03,141 --> 00:40:05,409
by putting all these
electric cars on the road,
787
00:40:05,443 --> 00:40:07,445
Tesla could reduce
788
00:40:07,478 --> 00:40:11,115
oil consumption in the United States
by about 300,000 barrels per day.
789
00:40:11,148 --> 00:40:14,985
It feels like a lot,
until you realize that in 2015,
790
00:40:15,018 --> 00:40:17,021
U.S. oil consumption
for transportation
791
00:40:17,054 --> 00:40:19,924
was about 20 million
barrels per day.
792
00:40:19,958 --> 00:40:24,663
So, this is a whopping
1.5% decrease by 2030
793
00:40:24,695 --> 00:40:29,166
at the cost of lithium mines
around the world.
794
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:31,602
At the cost of all these
additional cars being made,
795
00:40:31,635 --> 00:40:33,137
that are going to actually cost,
796
00:40:33,838 --> 00:40:37,075
God knows how many
barrels per day to manufacture.
797
00:40:37,108 --> 00:40:38,443
I know that
798
00:40:38,476 --> 00:40:40,846
the Movement for the
Emancipation of the Niger Delta
799
00:40:40,878 --> 00:40:43,981
and other groups in Nigeria,
have reduced oil output...
800
00:40:44,916 --> 00:40:50,189
by up to 60%, um,
through acts of sabotage on...
801
00:40:51,422 --> 00:40:53,724
um, oil rigs there.
802
00:40:54,425 --> 00:40:55,327
And...
803
00:40:56,193 --> 00:40:59,096
they have done so
with really no time lag.
804
00:40:59,130 --> 00:41:01,834
It's... they reduce
the oil output in real time.
805
00:41:03,534 --> 00:41:05,070
Ask yourself, uh...
806
00:41:06,070 --> 00:41:09,374
from the perspective
of nonhumans...
807
00:41:10,108 --> 00:41:11,810
or of poor humans...
808
00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:17,449
or of any creature going to be
driven extinct by global warming
809
00:41:17,481 --> 00:41:18,983
or by roads or by cars...
810
00:41:19,751 --> 00:41:21,553
you know, which...
which would you prefer.
811
00:41:22,753 --> 00:41:26,324
[ethereal music]
812
00:41:28,358 --> 00:41:31,963
[Julia] I started fighting
for the ocean six years ago.
813
00:41:32,764 --> 00:41:36,168
Since then, I've seen this
world continue to collapse.
814
00:41:37,735 --> 00:41:41,472
The ocean is the foundation
of life on this planet.
815
00:41:41,505 --> 00:41:44,942
The fact that we're losing it
at the rate we are is alarming.
816
00:41:46,376 --> 00:41:48,545
I think part of the reason
we're failing,
817
00:41:48,579 --> 00:41:51,449
is that we ask,
"What is politically possible?"
818
00:41:51,481 --> 00:41:53,985
More often than we ask,
"What is necessary?"
819
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,490
[Paul] We're in the midst of
what's called the Anthropocene,
820
00:41:59,523 --> 00:42:02,760
which is the sixth major
extinction of life on this planet.
821
00:42:02,793 --> 00:42:06,530
The last one
was 65.2 million years ago,
822
00:42:06,563 --> 00:42:09,833
and the most serious one was,
uh, the Permian Extinction,
823
00:42:09,867 --> 00:42:13,171
250 million years ago,
which wiped out 97% of everything.
824
00:42:14,137 --> 00:42:18,208
The Anthropocene has the potential
to wipe out 90% of everything.
825
00:42:18,242 --> 00:42:19,945
It won't wipe out everything,
826
00:42:19,978 --> 00:42:23,682
but we will go along with that
90% that's being wiped out.
827
00:42:23,715 --> 00:42:24,883
So, we won't survive.
828
00:42:26,384 --> 00:42:30,121
At the climate change conference
in Paris in 2015,
829
00:42:30,153 --> 00:42:31,956
I said, "Look, you know,
the only way to do this is
830
00:42:31,989 --> 00:42:34,391
we need a moratorium
on all industrialized,
831
00:42:34,425 --> 00:42:36,894
heavy gear fishing
for the next 50 years.
832
00:42:36,927 --> 00:42:39,730
That's the only thing that's going to
work, we have to shut it down.
833
00:42:39,764 --> 00:42:41,867
Right now, there's ten million
fishing vessels out there...
834
00:42:42,632 --> 00:42:45,469
44 million of them,
40% are illegal.
835
00:42:45,503 --> 00:42:48,206
And there's no such thing. There's no
such thing as a sustainable fishery.
836
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,407
It doesn't exist anywhere.
837
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,977
So, we have to shut it down,
if we care about the future.
838
00:42:53,010 --> 00:42:55,681
[ethereal music]
839
00:42:57,681 --> 00:42:59,783
[Marketa]
I don't think people realize,
840
00:42:59,817 --> 00:43:03,688
how intimate the connection
we have with ocean is.
841
00:43:03,721 --> 00:43:05,690
It's the very
foundation of life.
842
00:43:06,623 --> 00:43:10,928
People think that the oxygen comes
from the rainforest and trees,
843
00:43:10,961 --> 00:43:13,864
which is true,
but it's only about 28%.
844
00:43:13,898 --> 00:43:16,201
The rest of it
comes from the ocean.
845
00:43:16,233 --> 00:43:20,371
The photosynthesis that are
usually done by plants and trees,
846
00:43:20,405 --> 00:43:22,607
are actually
done by phytoplanktons,
847
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,376
which are these
tiny microalgae organisms
848
00:43:25,409 --> 00:43:27,678
that are living in the ocean.
849
00:43:27,711 --> 00:43:31,382
It takes the carbon dioxide
and releases oxygen.
850
00:43:31,416 --> 00:43:35,820
So, it's very important for humans to
actually protect the phytoplankton.
851
00:43:35,853 --> 00:43:40,191
And that's where the population
of whales come into picture.
852
00:43:40,224 --> 00:43:44,229
Whale feces are very rich
in iron and other nutrients
853
00:43:44,262 --> 00:43:47,565
that are very important
for phytoplankton to be healthy,
854
00:43:47,597 --> 00:43:52,137
and whales are moving
from depth to the surface
855
00:43:52,170 --> 00:43:55,472
and provide nutrients
through all these layers.
856
00:43:55,505 --> 00:43:58,175
So, all that balance
in the ocean,
857
00:43:58,208 --> 00:44:00,477
every species
depends on another.
858
00:44:00,510 --> 00:44:01,880
It's very important.
859
00:44:01,913 --> 00:44:04,349
We have to keep
all this balance together.
860
00:44:04,382 --> 00:44:07,385
[light dramatic music]
861
00:44:09,454 --> 00:44:12,157
[Paul] Since 1950,
there's been a 40% diminishment
862
00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:14,559
in phytoplankton populations
around the world.
863
00:44:14,592 --> 00:44:18,530
And when you couple that with the fact
that we're destroying the world's forests,
864
00:44:18,563 --> 00:44:21,365
then really what we have is
that this planet has two lungs.
865
00:44:21,398 --> 00:44:23,167
One is blue and one is green,
866
00:44:23,201 --> 00:44:25,804
and we're destroying both
the green and the blue lungs.
867
00:44:25,836 --> 00:44:28,706
[Julia] What would it take
to actually save the ocean?
868
00:44:28,739 --> 00:44:30,708
What would it take
to actually save the oceans?
869
00:44:30,740 --> 00:44:31,909
Well, shut down all
870
00:44:31,943 --> 00:44:34,412
heavy gear industrialized
fishing operations.
871
00:44:34,445 --> 00:44:36,448
Stop sonic testing in the ocean.
872
00:44:36,481 --> 00:44:38,817
Spracking military
sonic testing.
873
00:44:38,849 --> 00:44:40,784
Stop dumping chemical pollutions
874
00:44:40,818 --> 00:44:43,421
and radioactive materials
into the ocean.
875
00:44:43,454 --> 00:44:46,490
Uh... [blows out] stop dump...
dumping agro, um...
876
00:44:47,224 --> 00:44:50,728
waste from both the, uh...
you know, the meat industry
877
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,663
and also from
the production of vegetables,
878
00:44:52,697 --> 00:44:54,132
of pesticides
and everything like that.
879
00:44:54,164 --> 00:44:55,833
You know,
there's so many factors.
880
00:44:55,867 --> 00:44:56,868
Can we stop them?
881
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:58,368
You know, a few years ago,
I was at a...
882
00:44:58,402 --> 00:45:01,505
oh, man, quite a few years ago,
I was at a discussion in Toronto
883
00:45:01,539 --> 00:45:03,708
about pollution
in the Don River...
884
00:45:04,675 --> 00:45:06,111
and the Union people were there
885
00:45:06,143 --> 00:45:08,145
and the environmentalists
were there and, uh,
886
00:45:08,179 --> 00:45:10,248
everybody's saying,
"We've got to solve the problem.
887
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,116
And how are we
going to solve the problem?"
888
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:14,452
And I just, uh,
was very unpopular,
889
00:45:14,485 --> 00:45:16,887
because I said, "Do we know
what's causing the pollution?
890
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,824
Do we know what factories
are... are doing this?"
891
00:45:20,858 --> 00:45:21,960
"Well, yes, we do."
892
00:45:21,992 --> 00:45:23,561
"Well, stop doing it."
893
00:45:24,528 --> 00:45:26,463
And they all looked at me
like I'd just...
894
00:45:26,496 --> 00:45:30,201
said something completely outrageous
and blasphemous, you know.
895
00:45:30,233 --> 00:45:32,836
"Just stop doing it.
Just turn off the taps."
896
00:45:32,869 --> 00:45:34,304
But no, they wanted a solution,
897
00:45:34,338 --> 00:45:35,740
without really
getting a solution.
898
00:45:41,112 --> 00:45:43,213
[Julia] I'm on my way to
the Green Living Show.
899
00:45:43,246 --> 00:45:46,683
Basically, it's an expo with
people selling eco products.
900
00:45:46,717 --> 00:45:48,286
You know,
it all centers around this idea
901
00:45:48,318 --> 00:45:51,188
that we can shop our way
to sustainability.
902
00:45:51,222 --> 00:45:54,057
And there's a great line
from Endgame, which is,
903
00:45:54,090 --> 00:45:57,261
"Within an industrial economy,
buying good things
904
00:45:57,295 --> 00:45:59,230
isn't really
doing good for the planet,
905
00:45:59,262 --> 00:46:01,532
so much as it is doing
something not quite so bad."
906
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:05,769
I think this all really
serves as a distraction,
907
00:46:05,802 --> 00:46:08,639
you know, it points people's
attention towards themselves,
908
00:46:08,672 --> 00:46:10,741
and towards
their personal habits,
909
00:46:10,775 --> 00:46:12,210
so that they're not looking
910
00:46:12,242 --> 00:46:13,878
at the root causes
of these problems.
911
00:46:13,911 --> 00:46:15,947
They're not
looking at the systems
912
00:46:15,980 --> 00:46:19,250
that make this culture
functionally unsustainable.
913
00:46:19,282 --> 00:46:21,920
Instead, it's putting
the blame on individuals.
914
00:46:21,952 --> 00:46:24,556
And I'm not saying individuals
don't have responsibility.
915
00:46:24,588 --> 00:46:26,791
They do,
but our responsibility is not
916
00:46:26,824 --> 00:46:31,128
to find the most eco-ethical
toothbrush and buy it.
917
00:46:31,161 --> 00:46:34,097
Our responsibility
is to stand between industry
918
00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:36,533
and what's left
of life on this planet.
919
00:46:36,567 --> 00:46:39,536
Our responsibility is to deprive
those who would destroy life
920
00:46:39,570 --> 00:46:41,639
of their ability to do so.
921
00:46:41,672 --> 00:46:45,275
And shopping for green products
does not threaten those in power.
922
00:46:45,309 --> 00:46:48,913
It takes people's very real
concerns about the environment,
923
00:46:48,945 --> 00:46:52,049
and diverts that into
a way to promote consumerism.
924
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,722
[Lierre] The underpinnings of
these solutions are all about,
925
00:46:57,755 --> 00:47:00,191
you as an individual.
"What can you do?"
926
00:47:00,224 --> 00:47:01,693
And the answer is honestly,
it's like,
927
00:47:01,726 --> 00:47:04,329
don't be an individual,
because as an individual,
928
00:47:04,362 --> 00:47:05,664
you just don't have
that much power.
929
00:47:06,396 --> 00:47:08,699
The only power you have
as an individual is,
930
00:47:08,733 --> 00:47:10,602
"Well, I can buy this
instead of that,
931
00:47:10,635 --> 00:47:12,770
or I can try to recycle
a little bit better."
932
00:47:12,802 --> 00:47:16,074
That's not a lot of power,
given the global scale of destruction.
933
00:47:18,041 --> 00:47:19,009
- Hey!
- How's it going?
934
00:47:19,043 --> 00:47:20,445
- Good, how are you?
- Good, good.
935
00:47:20,478 --> 00:47:21,878
So, is this an electric car?
936
00:47:21,911 --> 00:47:23,714
Yes, this is
a fully electric vehicle.
937
00:47:23,748 --> 00:47:25,682
Um, pretty much
from the whole charge,
938
00:47:25,715 --> 00:47:27,784
it goes up to 383 kilometers.
939
00:47:27,818 --> 00:47:30,255
Um... People love the color.
940
00:47:30,288 --> 00:47:31,923
- Yeah. It's very bright.
- It's very bright,
941
00:47:31,956 --> 00:47:33,524
- grabs your attention. Yeah, very green.
- Very green.
942
00:47:33,556 --> 00:47:35,225
- That's exactly what we wanted.
- Yeah... [chuckles]
943
00:47:35,259 --> 00:47:39,030
- That's great.
- How much energy does it take to make an electric car?
944
00:47:39,063 --> 00:47:40,431
Energy to make an electric car?
945
00:47:40,463 --> 00:47:43,300
Um, well,
the battery is 60 kilowatts.
946
00:47:43,333 --> 00:47:44,201
- Mm-hmm.
- Um...
947
00:47:45,769 --> 00:47:48,538
Uh, to make the car?
I wouldn't want to
948
00:47:48,572 --> 00:47:50,375
- give you false information, because I don't know.
- Okay.
949
00:47:54,612 --> 00:47:57,447
[Julia] "Vote with your dollars"
has become a catchphrase
950
00:47:57,481 --> 00:47:59,317
of mainstream environmentalism.
951
00:48:00,617 --> 00:48:04,255
The 1950s was the first time
that human beings
952
00:48:04,288 --> 00:48:06,590
were called "consumers,"
more often
953
00:48:06,623 --> 00:48:08,125
than they were
called "citizens."
954
00:48:09,260 --> 00:48:12,430
If you can convince people
that their primary means
955
00:48:12,463 --> 00:48:14,865
of social and political action
956
00:48:14,898 --> 00:48:17,268
is through
their personal consumption,
957
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:19,103
then their choices of resistance
958
00:48:19,135 --> 00:48:21,505
are reduced to
buying or not buying.
959
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,275
But human beings
have a much wider range
960
00:48:25,309 --> 00:48:26,711
of available tactics.
961
00:48:28,179 --> 00:48:30,782
[Max] They want us to
believe that consumer choices
962
00:48:30,815 --> 00:48:32,851
are the only way
we can change things.
963
00:48:33,550 --> 00:48:36,586
But if we accept that,
then that means they've won,
964
00:48:36,619 --> 00:48:39,257
because we're defining
ourselves as consumers.
965
00:48:40,358 --> 00:48:43,862
I don't think we should
let them have that victory.
966
00:48:44,728 --> 00:48:48,298
Because the reality is that,
yes, we consume things.
967
00:48:48,331 --> 00:48:52,170
I have to buy things within
this culture to survive and...
968
00:48:53,771 --> 00:48:58,876
that is not something
that defines me or my power
969
00:48:58,909 --> 00:49:00,878
as an actor in this world.
970
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:03,815
I... I would say,
much more fundamentally,
971
00:49:03,847 --> 00:49:08,286
I'm an animal and I have hands
and I have feet
972
00:49:08,318 --> 00:49:11,588
and I can walk places
and I can do things.
973
00:49:12,590 --> 00:49:14,992
And I have a voice...
974
00:49:15,793 --> 00:49:19,163
and I have the ability
to speak with people
975
00:49:19,195 --> 00:49:21,231
and to build
a relationship with people.
976
00:49:21,264 --> 00:49:23,768
And I have the ability
to organize...
977
00:49:24,434 --> 00:49:28,105
and I have the ability
to fight if need be.
978
00:49:28,139 --> 00:49:30,541
These are all
much more important
979
00:49:30,574 --> 00:49:33,978
than my ability to buy
or not buy something.
980
00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:37,614
[indistinct background chatter]
981
00:49:38,882 --> 00:49:40,951
[Julia] So, if I'm a person
who comes to this event,
982
00:49:40,985 --> 00:49:44,822
I'm going to come away thinking that to
solve the world's environmental problems,
983
00:49:44,855 --> 00:49:47,492
I need to buy an electric car,
984
00:49:47,525 --> 00:49:51,528
um, buy clothing made out
of bamboo and organic cotton
985
00:49:51,561 --> 00:49:55,432
and get a reusable water bottle
and a bamboo toothbrush.
986
00:49:55,465 --> 00:49:58,402
None of these things
are sufficient to address
987
00:49:58,436 --> 00:50:00,671
the problems
facing the natural world,
988
00:50:00,704 --> 00:50:04,142
and these are all just
luxury items being produced,
989
00:50:04,175 --> 00:50:06,010
that nobody really needs.
990
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,716
[indistinct background chatter]
991
00:50:14,684 --> 00:50:17,755
[Julia] If we're going to tackle
this on a meaningful level,
992
00:50:17,788 --> 00:50:19,690
we need to address
the root causes
993
00:50:19,722 --> 00:50:22,025
of this
culture's unsustainability.
994
00:50:23,494 --> 00:50:25,663
Contrary to what we often hear,
995
00:50:25,695 --> 00:50:27,331
climate change did not begin
996
00:50:27,364 --> 00:50:29,733
with the burning
of fossil fuels.
997
00:50:29,766 --> 00:50:31,435
It started much earlier.
998
00:50:32,769 --> 00:50:35,472
[Lierre] The beginning of
global warming is actually
999
00:50:35,505 --> 00:50:37,040
the beginning of agriculture.
1000
00:50:37,074 --> 00:50:39,076
I mean, we've all seen that,
kind of, the hockey stick graph.
1001
00:50:39,108 --> 00:50:41,211
Fossil fuel has
this huge CO2 release,
1002
00:50:41,244 --> 00:50:44,047
and so it, you know, all of a
sudden, just boom, starts going up,
1003
00:50:44,081 --> 00:50:46,584
and that's true, but if
you back that up 10,000 years,
1004
00:50:46,617 --> 00:50:49,620
human activity actually
released that much carbon
1005
00:50:49,652 --> 00:50:52,589
from the beginning
of agriculture to the year 1800,
1006
00:50:52,623 --> 00:50:54,858
as we did from 1800 till now.
1007
00:50:54,891 --> 00:50:56,460
So how?
How... what is this about?
1008
00:50:56,494 --> 00:50:59,163
Well, huge amounts of carbon
are stored in soil,
1009
00:50:59,195 --> 00:51:00,764
and when you do agriculture,
1010
00:51:00,797 --> 00:51:02,866
you're destroying
the soil, essentially.
1011
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:06,938
So, as the soil falls to pieces,
all that carbon is released.
1012
00:51:10,306 --> 00:51:13,343
We live in
an agricultural society
1013
00:51:13,376 --> 00:51:14,978
which makes it really...
1014
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:19,517
hard for us to examine
the nature of agriculture.
1015
00:51:19,550 --> 00:51:22,353
To us, it's like air.
It's just what's there.
1016
00:51:22,385 --> 00:51:25,623
It's just how things happen,
like, how we get food.
1017
00:51:25,655 --> 00:51:27,858
There's not even a question
that there's another way,
1018
00:51:27,891 --> 00:51:30,460
because this has been
happening now for so long.
1019
00:51:30,494 --> 00:51:34,532
10,000 years is... is how long some
humans have been doing agriculture.
1020
00:51:34,565 --> 00:51:36,333
I mean, agriculture started
in probably
1021
00:51:36,367 --> 00:51:38,503
14 different places
around the globe.
1022
00:51:38,536 --> 00:51:41,938
And it always starts in river valleys,
and there's a reason for that.
1023
00:51:41,972 --> 00:51:45,376
The reason is that agriculture
is based on annual grasses,
1024
00:51:45,409 --> 00:51:47,912
and where you're going to
get the most annual grasses
1025
00:51:47,945 --> 00:51:49,080
is in river valleys.
1026
00:51:49,112 --> 00:51:50,714
So, there's two
different kinds of plants.
1027
00:51:50,748 --> 00:51:52,583
There's annuals
and there's perennials.
1028
00:51:52,615 --> 00:51:54,318
Annuals only live one year.
1029
00:51:54,351 --> 00:51:56,019
That's why
they're called annual.
1030
00:51:56,052 --> 00:51:57,954
And the perennials
live a long time.
1031
00:51:57,987 --> 00:52:00,757
So the annuals, their moment is
1032
00:52:00,791 --> 00:52:03,494
when there is a disturbance
across the landscape.
1033
00:52:03,527 --> 00:52:05,996
So a fire, a flood,
an earthquake.
1034
00:52:06,030 --> 00:52:08,798
What happens is
that the ground is bare,
1035
00:52:08,831 --> 00:52:13,237
and the planet recognizes this
as a biological emergency.
1036
00:52:13,269 --> 00:52:17,474
So, you know, nature has come up with
ways to fix this as fast as it can.
1037
00:52:17,507 --> 00:52:19,210
And the answer is annuals.
1038
00:52:19,242 --> 00:52:22,145
When there is no competition,
the annuals spring to life.
1039
00:52:22,179 --> 00:52:25,583
So one way to think about it is,
they're the first responders,
1040
00:52:25,615 --> 00:52:27,318
or think about, you know,
if you cut yourself
1041
00:52:27,351 --> 00:52:29,653
with a knife or a pair
of scissors or something,
1042
00:52:29,686 --> 00:52:31,521
um, you're going
to put a Band-Aid on that.
1043
00:52:31,554 --> 00:52:33,690
And that's what the annuals are,
they're the Band-Aid.
1044
00:52:33,724 --> 00:52:37,695
And eventually, just like your
skin will knit back together,
1045
00:52:37,728 --> 00:52:39,530
the roots of the perennials
will come back.
1046
00:52:39,563 --> 00:52:43,634
Those perennial plants will close
in across that disaster area again,
1047
00:52:43,666 --> 00:52:48,438
and there will be that tightly knit
web of perennial roots once more.
1048
00:52:48,472 --> 00:52:51,008
But until that happens,
all you have is annuals.
1049
00:52:51,041 --> 00:52:54,644
So 95% of plants are perennials,
on the planet,
1050
00:52:54,677 --> 00:52:56,079
and about 5% are annuals.
1051
00:52:56,112 --> 00:52:57,815
So, they certainly
have their role,
1052
00:52:57,847 --> 00:52:59,717
but there's no landscapes
where it's just annuals.
1053
00:52:59,750 --> 00:53:01,585
That's the problem
with agriculture,
1054
00:53:01,619 --> 00:53:04,121
is that it's based on
these annual grasses.
1055
00:53:04,153 --> 00:53:06,556
Now, the only way you're
going to get those to grow
1056
00:53:06,590 --> 00:53:08,425
is to clear
the life off the land.
1057
00:53:08,458 --> 00:53:10,894
They can't compete
against the perennials.
1058
00:53:10,927 --> 00:53:14,130
So, for 10,000 years we've,
essentially, been waging a war.
1059
00:53:14,164 --> 00:53:16,500
So, if you think about
what agriculture is
1060
00:53:16,532 --> 00:53:18,201
on a really, just basic scale...
1061
00:53:18,969 --> 00:53:20,838
you take a piece of land,
1062
00:53:20,871 --> 00:53:23,173
you clear
every living thing off it,
1063
00:53:23,206 --> 00:53:25,108
and I mean down to the bacteria,
1064
00:53:25,141 --> 00:53:27,210
and then you plant it
to human use.
1065
00:53:27,244 --> 00:53:28,613
So, it's biotic cleansing.
1066
00:53:28,646 --> 00:53:30,481
I mean, we've all heard
of ethnic cleansing.
1067
00:53:30,514 --> 00:53:33,150
Well, this is the same thing,
except it's not just humans.
1068
00:53:33,182 --> 00:53:35,085
It's every last living creature.
1069
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:36,086
Just gone.
1070
00:53:37,153 --> 00:53:39,724
So, it's this massive war
that we've been waging.
1071
00:53:39,757 --> 00:53:42,159
And every season
you have to keep it up,
1072
00:53:42,192 --> 00:53:44,195
because, of course,
life fights back.
1073
00:53:44,228 --> 00:53:45,396
Life wants to live.
1074
00:53:46,163 --> 00:53:47,731
The problem now is so bad,
1075
00:53:47,764 --> 00:53:50,967
that 98% of the world's
old growth forests
1076
00:53:51,001 --> 00:53:55,172
and 99% of the world's
grasslands have been destroyed.
1077
00:53:55,204 --> 00:53:57,540
And this is all in
the service of agriculture.
1078
00:53:57,574 --> 00:53:59,443
So, humans have taken over
1079
00:53:59,476 --> 00:54:02,847
every piece of land that could
be taken for this activity.
1080
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,315
There's nothing left to take.
1081
00:54:05,315 --> 00:54:08,152
What this means is that
200 species are going extinct
1082
00:54:08,184 --> 00:54:09,219
each and every day.
1083
00:54:09,253 --> 00:54:10,788
They haven't
just been extirpated.
1084
00:54:10,820 --> 00:54:12,255
They're gone forever...
1085
00:54:13,090 --> 00:54:16,027
um, and that's what we've done,
by taking up agriculture.
1086
00:54:18,862 --> 00:54:21,298
[Derrick] They say that agriculture
increases food production,
1087
00:54:21,331 --> 00:54:22,967
but that's completely false.
1088
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,237
What it does, it grossly
decreases food production,
1089
00:54:26,269 --> 00:54:28,806
but it funnels whatever
food production there is
1090
00:54:28,838 --> 00:54:29,706
towards humans.
1091
00:54:30,574 --> 00:54:33,443
Um, but in terms
of actual food production,
1092
00:54:33,476 --> 00:54:36,413
when you include food production for
all the non humans who live here?
1093
00:54:36,447 --> 00:54:38,983
No, it's... it's grossly reduced.
1094
00:54:39,682 --> 00:54:42,119
And one of things
that agriculture does
1095
00:54:42,152 --> 00:54:45,523
is it commits you to
a path of further destruction,
1096
00:54:45,556 --> 00:54:48,858
because you have
more food for humans,
1097
00:54:48,891 --> 00:54:53,530
but you do so at the cost
of the health of the land base.
1098
00:54:53,563 --> 00:54:57,867
So, you slowly decrease the
carrying capacity of the land base,
1099
00:54:57,900 --> 00:54:58,869
because you've overshot it.
1100
00:54:59,635 --> 00:55:02,405
And as you destroy
your land base,
1101
00:55:02,438 --> 00:55:04,307
you have a choice.
You can either collapse...
1102
00:55:05,208 --> 00:55:08,311
or you can continue to find
new frontiers to exploit.
1103
00:55:09,313 --> 00:55:10,981
The problem is somebody else
already lives there,
1104
00:55:11,014 --> 00:55:13,050
which means your way of life
has to be militarized,
1105
00:55:13,083 --> 00:55:14,351
because you're going
to conquer them.
1106
00:55:15,753 --> 00:55:18,556
And also you have to destroy the
environment of the places nearby.
1107
00:55:19,590 --> 00:55:22,159
[Lierre] So, this is an
inherently destructive activity,
1108
00:55:22,192 --> 00:55:25,362
and it kind of snowballs into
worse and worse things.
1109
00:55:25,394 --> 00:55:26,864
So, the moment
you clear that land,
1110
00:55:26,896 --> 00:55:29,432
that soil
starts being destroyed.
1111
00:55:29,465 --> 00:55:33,036
One season of planting
your annual crop,
1112
00:55:33,070 --> 00:55:35,539
you know, pick whichever,
wheat, soy, corn...
1113
00:55:35,572 --> 00:55:38,442
you can lose 2000 years
worth of top soil.
1114
00:55:38,474 --> 00:55:42,246
That's how slowly topsoil grows
and how easily it is destroyed.
1115
00:55:42,278 --> 00:55:45,148
When the Europeans
first got to the Midwest,
1116
00:55:45,181 --> 00:55:47,650
the prairie soil
was 12 feet deep,
1117
00:55:47,684 --> 00:55:49,420
and it can now
only be measured in inches.
1118
00:55:49,452 --> 00:55:51,322
So, it's gone.
We blew through it all,
1119
00:55:51,355 --> 00:55:53,123
in a very short period of time.
1120
00:55:53,157 --> 00:55:55,192
So, that's the nature
of agriculture.
1121
00:55:55,224 --> 00:55:56,159
Like, there's not...
1122
00:55:57,260 --> 00:55:59,663
a better way to do this.
There's not, like, a kinder,
1123
00:55:59,695 --> 00:56:01,364
gentler form of agriculture.
1124
00:56:01,398 --> 00:56:03,000
It's literally what it is.
1125
00:56:03,032 --> 00:56:06,836
You remove all the life,
and then you draw down the soil,
1126
00:56:06,869 --> 00:56:09,139
and in the process,
you also draw down water
1127
00:56:09,172 --> 00:56:11,141
and you draw down species
1128
00:56:11,175 --> 00:56:13,210
and you draw down
entire biotic communities.
1129
00:56:13,242 --> 00:56:16,646
[light dramatic music]
1130
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:20,518
[Derrick] The fertile crescent is
where a lot of these problems started.
1131
00:56:20,550 --> 00:56:23,721
And you've seen it now, and it doesn't
look like a fertile crescent at all.
1132
00:56:23,753 --> 00:56:26,089
It's treeless,
horizon to horizon,
1133
00:56:26,123 --> 00:56:27,791
but that was before
the beginnings of this culture.
1134
00:56:27,824 --> 00:56:30,326
That was cedar forests, so thick that
sunlight never touched the ground.
1135
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,164
It was like this. Thicker, because
sunlight's touching the ground over there.
1136
00:56:33,896 --> 00:56:36,166
And this culture
has destroyed that.
1137
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:38,201
Converted it to agriculture
and then converted it to desert.
1138
00:56:38,235 --> 00:56:39,503
That's what happens.
1139
00:56:39,536 --> 00:56:42,472
Forests precede us,
and deserts dog our heels.
1140
00:56:43,773 --> 00:56:47,043
[Lierre] During the era of
the black plague in Europe,
1141
00:56:47,077 --> 00:56:49,947
anywhere from, like,
one third to three quarters
1142
00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:52,449
of the population died,
depending on where you were.
1143
00:56:52,481 --> 00:56:55,418
So what happened pretty quickly,
was all the agricultural fields
1144
00:56:55,452 --> 00:56:58,489
were... were abandoned, because
there were no people left.
1145
00:56:58,521 --> 00:57:00,190
And the forest
starts to take over.
1146
00:57:00,224 --> 00:57:03,160
And there's actually a dip in
the carbon in the atmosphere,
1147
00:57:03,193 --> 00:57:05,563
because Europe was,
at least partially reforested,
1148
00:57:05,596 --> 00:57:06,764
at that... at that moment.
1149
00:57:07,463 --> 00:57:10,034
So, you can see that, actually,
it responds pretty quickly.
1150
00:57:10,067 --> 00:57:11,969
Um, if we could get some plants
back in the ground,
1151
00:57:12,001 --> 00:57:13,770
that can sequester carbon...
1152
00:57:13,804 --> 00:57:14,905
it could happen.
1153
00:57:14,938 --> 00:57:17,407
And this is why I am not,
in any way, out of hope.
1154
00:57:18,108 --> 00:57:22,146
If we were to repair even 75%
1155
00:57:22,179 --> 00:57:25,548
of the trashed-out
prairies in the United States,
1156
00:57:25,581 --> 00:57:28,451
in about ten years,
we could sequester
1157
00:57:28,485 --> 00:57:32,655
all of the carbon that we have
released in this country.
1158
00:57:32,688 --> 00:57:36,492
Basically, period. We would actually
become a nation that sequesters carbon.
1159
00:57:36,525 --> 00:57:41,231
Around the globe, if we could repair
75% of the world's grasslands,
1160
00:57:41,264 --> 00:57:44,801
we could sequester all of
the carbon that's been released
1161
00:57:44,835 --> 00:57:47,304
since the beginning
of the industrial age till now,
1162
00:57:47,336 --> 00:57:48,905
and pretty quickly.
1163
00:57:48,938 --> 00:57:50,440
And that's really
all it takes is,
1164
00:57:50,474 --> 00:57:52,276
we... we have to just
let life come back.
1165
00:57:53,744 --> 00:57:57,582
[rhythmic melodic music]
1166
00:57:59,949 --> 00:58:02,452
[Julia] Fish sequester
carbon in their bodies
1167
00:58:02,485 --> 00:58:04,087
and excrete gut rocks,
1168
00:58:04,121 --> 00:58:06,757
which help balance
the acidity of the ocean.
1169
00:58:07,690 --> 00:58:10,693
Industrial fishing
has wiped out 90%
1170
00:58:10,726 --> 00:58:12,730
of the large fish in the ocean.
1171
00:58:13,963 --> 00:58:18,302
Mangroves, salt marshes,
sea grasses and peat bogs
1172
00:58:18,335 --> 00:58:20,938
have similarly been decimated.
1173
00:58:20,971 --> 00:58:24,340
And could similarly
sequester a lot of carbon,
1174
00:58:24,373 --> 00:58:27,911
if we stop destroying them
and allowed them to come back.
1175
00:58:28,644 --> 00:58:31,315
The natural world
is our best ally
1176
00:58:31,347 --> 00:58:34,150
for pulling carbon
out of the atmosphere.
1177
00:58:34,184 --> 00:58:37,621
Yet, the mainstream climate
movement demands we plunder
1178
00:58:37,653 --> 00:58:40,324
what remains of
our already decimated planet,
1179
00:58:40,356 --> 00:58:43,726
in order to produce
solar panels and wind turbines,
1180
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,496
to add energy to the grid.
1181
00:58:46,262 --> 00:58:50,134
Energy which will power the
further destruction of the planet.
1182
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,269
The mainstream
environmental movement
1183
00:58:53,302 --> 00:58:55,572
has completely
lost touch with reality.
1184
00:58:57,641 --> 00:59:01,077
โช Climate change
has got to go, hey-hey, ho-ho โช
1185
00:59:01,110 --> 00:59:03,847
โช Climate change
has got to go, hey-hey, ho-ho โช
1186
00:59:05,449 --> 00:59:08,385
[Julia] I'm here at the
climate march in Montreal.
1187
00:59:08,418 --> 00:59:11,355
They're expecting
about 300,000 people today,
1188
00:59:11,387 --> 00:59:14,290
mostly youth,
who are here marching,
1189
00:59:14,324 --> 00:59:16,226
thinking that they're
fighting for their futures
1190
00:59:16,259 --> 00:59:18,329
and they're fighting
to stop climate change,
1191
00:59:18,362 --> 00:59:21,197
but when you look at
the explicitly stated demands
1192
00:59:21,231 --> 00:59:23,901
of the big organizations
who are putting this together,
1193
00:59:23,934 --> 00:59:26,737
what they're asking for,
is a swift transition
1194
00:59:26,769 --> 00:59:28,438
to 100% renewable energy.
1195
00:59:29,405 --> 00:59:33,076
So, that's not going to stop,
or even slow climate change.
1196
00:59:33,110 --> 00:59:34,745
It's only going
to make things worse.
1197
00:59:35,445 --> 00:59:37,514
- โช What do we want? โช
- โช Climate justice! โช
1198
00:59:37,547 --> 00:59:39,115
- โช When do we want it? โช
- โช Now! โช
1199
00:59:41,083 --> 00:59:43,019
[Derrick] The thing that blows me
away, is the length
1200
00:59:43,052 --> 00:59:44,922
to which people will go
1201
00:59:44,954 --> 00:59:46,891
in order to avoid
looking at the problem.
1202
00:59:47,757 --> 00:59:50,193
That they will
create all these...
1203
00:59:50,226 --> 00:59:52,730
extraordinary fantasies,
in order to do something
1204
00:59:52,762 --> 00:59:54,297
that's not
going to help the planet,
1205
00:59:54,331 --> 00:59:55,966
so they can avoid
looking at the real issue,
1206
00:59:55,998 --> 00:59:56,800
which is that...
1207
00:59:58,068 --> 01:00:01,105
industrial civilization itself
is what's killing the planet.
1208
01:00:02,204 --> 01:00:04,909
[Lierre] So, this word civilization.
What does that actually mean?
1209
01:00:05,675 --> 01:00:07,111
Well, just etymologically,
1210
01:00:07,143 --> 01:00:09,545
it means people
living in cities.
1211
01:00:09,579 --> 01:00:11,815
Okay, but what
does that actually mean?
1212
01:00:11,847 --> 01:00:15,619
Well, it means people living
in densities large enough,
1213
01:00:15,652 --> 01:00:18,355
that they require
the importation of resources.
1214
01:00:18,387 --> 01:00:21,125
So, just think about this
common sense level.
1215
01:00:21,157 --> 01:00:25,528
Eight million people cannot live
on an island called Manhattan.
1216
01:00:25,561 --> 01:00:27,096
Right? Where does
their food come from?
1217
01:00:27,130 --> 01:00:29,767
Where does the water come from?
Where does the energy come from?
1218
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,602
And that's the problem
with cities, okay?
1219
01:00:31,635 --> 01:00:33,637
The city has used up its own.
1220
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:35,204
Whatever it is, it's not there.
1221
01:00:35,237 --> 01:00:36,839
So, now where are they
going to get it?
1222
01:00:36,873 --> 01:00:40,677
Well, from that point forward,
it doesn't actually matter
1223
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:44,914
what kinds of beautiful,
peaceful, nonviolent...
1224
01:00:44,947 --> 01:00:47,750
spiritual values
people hold in their hearts.
1225
01:00:47,784 --> 01:00:51,454
Your society is now dependent
on imperialism and genocide,
1226
01:00:52,222 --> 01:00:55,225
because nobody willingly
gives up their land,
1227
01:00:55,257 --> 01:00:58,227
their water,
their trees, their fish,
1228
01:00:58,260 --> 01:00:59,963
but since the city
has used up its own,
1229
01:00:59,996 --> 01:01:02,166
it's got to go out and
get those from somewhere else.
1230
01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:05,001
So, the pattern of civilization
is always the same.
1231
01:01:05,034 --> 01:01:08,071
You've got this bloated power
center, right at the middle,
1232
01:01:08,105 --> 01:01:10,106
and then it's surrounded
by conquered colonies.
1233
01:01:10,139 --> 01:01:12,342
And the power center
takes whatever it can,
1234
01:01:12,375 --> 01:01:15,244
brings it all back in.
Eventually, it collapses,
1235
01:01:15,277 --> 01:01:18,314
because we're on drawdown.
We're on overshoot.
1236
01:01:18,347 --> 01:01:21,485
Historically speaking,
civilizations had a natural end point.
1237
01:01:21,518 --> 01:01:24,621
They were only going to get so big
before they eventually would collapse.
1238
01:01:24,653 --> 01:01:26,523
And so that's what you see.
Whether it's South America,
1239
01:01:26,556 --> 01:01:29,025
North America, Asia,
Africa, Europe.
1240
01:01:29,059 --> 01:01:31,028
It's the same pattern
over and over.
1241
01:01:31,061 --> 01:01:33,297
There have been
34 civilizations to date.
1242
01:01:33,329 --> 01:01:34,597
They have all ended in collapse.
1243
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:36,266
This one will be no different.
1244
01:01:36,298 --> 01:01:39,503
The only difference is this...
this one right now, you know, we've...
1245
01:01:39,536 --> 01:01:42,873
we've added this incredible
accelerant of fossil fuel.
1246
01:01:44,007 --> 01:01:47,043
[Max] You know,
I grew up in Seattle and...
1247
01:01:47,077 --> 01:01:49,379
what is now downtown Seattle,
1248
01:01:49,411 --> 01:01:53,750
with skyscrapers and concrete,
as far as you can see,
1249
01:01:53,782 --> 01:01:57,920
used to be old growth forest,
with cedar and Douglas fir
1250
01:01:57,954 --> 01:02:01,358
and hemlock and maple
and all these other trees.
1251
01:02:01,391 --> 01:02:05,596
Old growth trees, thousands
upon thousands of years old.
1252
01:02:05,628 --> 01:02:08,731
The trees in the urban areas
of the Pacific Northwest,
1253
01:02:08,764 --> 01:02:10,867
for example, in Vancouver, B.C.,
1254
01:02:10,900 --> 01:02:14,103
what's now downtown Vancouver,
1255
01:02:14,137 --> 01:02:16,640
used to be old growth forests.
1256
01:02:16,672 --> 01:02:19,775
And there used to be
trees 400 feet tall there,
1257
01:02:19,809 --> 01:02:21,345
and there's records of this.
1258
01:02:21,378 --> 01:02:24,448
And those trees, they were
Douglas firs in this case,
1259
01:02:24,481 --> 01:02:26,750
those would be the tallest trees
in the world today.
1260
01:02:27,550 --> 01:02:29,853
People think the redwoods are
the tallest trees in the world,
1261
01:02:29,885 --> 01:02:32,588
and it's only because
the tallest Douglas firs,
1262
01:02:32,621 --> 01:02:34,357
who are quite a bit taller...
1263
01:02:34,391 --> 01:02:35,425
have all been cut down.
1264
01:02:36,827 --> 01:02:39,430
And they were cut down, among other
things, to build these cities.
1265
01:02:41,264 --> 01:02:43,467
[Derrick] We, in this
culture, have come to conflate
1266
01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:45,668
this way of life
with all life on the planet.
1267
01:02:45,702 --> 01:02:47,571
If I say,
"I want to end civilization."
1268
01:02:47,603 --> 01:02:50,273
They say,
"Oh, you want to end life."
1269
01:02:50,306 --> 01:02:53,106
But the problem is that
this culture is ending life.
1270
01:02:53,108 --> 01:02:55,179
And some people have accused me
of being cruel,
1271
01:02:55,211 --> 01:02:57,480
because I want
to bring down civilization,
1272
01:02:57,514 --> 01:02:59,782
and that will make it so,
people who...
1273
01:02:59,815 --> 01:03:03,253
are reliant upon
modern medicines will die.
1274
01:03:04,186 --> 01:03:07,223
I have Crohn's disease
and coronary artery disease,
1275
01:03:07,257 --> 01:03:08,259
and without...
1276
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,728
modern medicines, I would die.
1277
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:12,896
I am one of those people...
1278
01:03:14,664 --> 01:03:17,868
but I realize that the world
is more important than I am.
1279
01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:21,437
[light dramatic music]
1280
01:03:23,572 --> 01:03:25,241
[Lierre]
Um, I think a lot of people...
1281
01:03:25,275 --> 01:03:26,943
You know, the easier thing,
is to say things like,
1282
01:03:26,976 --> 01:03:28,679
"Well, it's greed
is the problem."
1283
01:03:28,711 --> 01:03:30,713
It's like...
Okay, so... [chuckles]
1284
01:03:30,746 --> 01:03:33,849
We actually have a society,
that is not just about greed.
1285
01:03:33,882 --> 01:03:37,987
I mean, we actually
reward greed on a massive scale.
1286
01:03:38,021 --> 01:03:39,890
All right, so, like,
what are the social rewards?
1287
01:03:39,922 --> 01:03:42,325
What are the political rewards?
What are the financial rewards?
1288
01:03:42,358 --> 01:03:44,061
Well, that system
is actually called capitalism,
1289
01:03:44,094 --> 01:03:46,362
at least right now. I mean,
there's certainly other versions of it.
1290
01:03:46,396 --> 01:03:47,864
I don't mean to say
it's the only one,
1291
01:03:47,896 --> 01:03:50,000
but right now it's capitalism
across the globe,
1292
01:03:50,032 --> 01:03:51,467
and that's what it does.
1293
01:03:51,501 --> 01:03:53,370
All right,
it takes living communities.
1294
01:03:53,402 --> 01:03:55,705
It converts those
into dead commodities.
1295
01:03:55,739 --> 01:04:00,077
And then those dead commodities
are turned into private wealth.
1296
01:04:00,110 --> 01:04:03,247
And a lot of people think, "Well,
if we just make that into public wealth.
1297
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,349
If we all could get
an equal piece of the pie,
1298
01:04:05,382 --> 01:04:07,851
that's the solution."
This is the problem,
1299
01:04:07,884 --> 01:04:09,552
There's not
going to be a solution,
1300
01:04:09,585 --> 01:04:11,921
because you've still got the
first two parts of that equation.
1301
01:04:11,954 --> 01:04:13,556
Why are we
taking the living planet,
1302
01:04:13,590 --> 01:04:15,259
and turning it
into dead commodities?
1303
01:04:15,291 --> 01:04:16,425
Like, that's the problem.
1304
01:04:16,458 --> 01:04:18,261
I don't actually care.
in the end...
1305
01:04:18,295 --> 01:04:20,163
who gets all the...
all the goodies.
1306
01:04:20,195 --> 01:04:21,398
It's the fact that...
1307
01:04:22,132 --> 01:04:24,934
like, rivers and grasslands
and forests and fish
1308
01:04:24,967 --> 01:04:27,703
have been turned into those dead
commodities. That's the problem.
1309
01:04:27,737 --> 01:04:30,374
[light dramatic music]
1310
01:04:30,407 --> 01:04:31,807
[Derrick] What do all
the so-called "solutions"
1311
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,376
to global warming
have in common?
1312
01:04:33,409 --> 01:04:35,511
They all take industrial
capitalism as a given.
1313
01:04:35,545 --> 01:04:38,282
The natural world is having to
conform to industrial capitalism.
1314
01:04:38,315 --> 01:04:41,351
They've switched the dependent,
independent variables, that...
1315
01:04:42,686 --> 01:04:44,688
The world has to be primary
and the health of the world
1316
01:04:44,721 --> 01:04:46,255
has to be primary,
because without a world,
1317
01:04:46,289 --> 01:04:47,891
you don't have
any economy whatsoever.
1318
01:04:49,025 --> 01:04:51,161
And the Bright Greens are
very explicit about this.
1319
01:04:51,193 --> 01:04:54,264
What they're trying to save is industrial
capitalism, industrial civilization.
1320
01:04:54,297 --> 01:04:56,567
They say this
all the time, and...
1321
01:04:58,501 --> 01:05:00,003
that's my fundamental beef,
1322
01:05:00,036 --> 01:05:02,005
is that what I'm trying
to save is the real world.
1323
01:05:02,038 --> 01:05:04,940
[rhythmic techno music]
1324
01:05:04,974 --> 01:05:08,211
[Julia] Bright Green environmentalism
has gained popularity,
1325
01:05:08,244 --> 01:05:11,347
because it tells a lot of
people what they want to hear.
1326
01:05:11,380 --> 01:05:15,118
That you can have industrial
civilization and a planet, too.
1327
01:05:16,418 --> 01:05:21,123
It allows people to feel good about
maintaining this destructive way of living,
1328
01:05:21,157 --> 01:05:23,760
and to avoid
asking hard questions,
1329
01:05:23,793 --> 01:05:26,030
about the depth
of what must be changed.
1330
01:05:28,697 --> 01:05:31,434
[Max] I think that a
100% renewable world
1331
01:05:31,467 --> 01:05:34,203
would not look very different
than the one we live in now.
1332
01:05:34,237 --> 01:05:37,340
Even if you snapped your fingers
and that happened tomorrow,
1333
01:05:37,373 --> 01:05:40,843
I think that global warming would
continue to be a huge problem.
1334
01:05:40,876 --> 01:05:44,146
You'd still have all
the emissions from logging,
1335
01:05:44,179 --> 01:05:46,182
from concrete production,
from steel production,
1336
01:05:46,215 --> 01:05:49,552
from consumer goods,
from global shipping.
1337
01:05:49,585 --> 01:05:51,354
From all these things.
1338
01:05:51,387 --> 01:05:53,523
And, of course,
that renewable energy
1339
01:05:53,556 --> 01:05:55,559
would still be used...
1340
01:05:56,592 --> 01:05:59,295
to power this,
to power the global economy.
1341
01:06:00,630 --> 01:06:02,932
[light dramatic music]
1342
01:06:02,965 --> 01:06:05,301
[Derrick] If space aliens
came down from outer space,
1343
01:06:05,335 --> 01:06:07,503
and they were
changing the climate...
1344
01:06:08,371 --> 01:06:10,708
and they were
putting in mines everywhere...
1345
01:06:11,407 --> 01:06:16,112
we wouldn't care
whether the mined materials
1346
01:06:16,146 --> 01:06:19,516
are going to be used
to make windmills,
1347
01:06:19,548 --> 01:06:21,585
or to make solar panels
1348
01:06:21,617 --> 01:06:24,954
to power the alien economy.
1349
01:06:24,987 --> 01:06:26,589
The occupier economy.
1350
01:06:26,623 --> 01:06:29,358
What we would do is,
we would stop the occupiers.
1351
01:06:29,391 --> 01:06:31,894
We would... we would
do whatever necessary,
1352
01:06:31,927 --> 01:06:34,897
to make it so these space aliens
can't change our climate.
1353
01:06:34,931 --> 01:06:37,601
And when you change
your loyalty from the system,
1354
01:06:37,634 --> 01:06:40,369
to the planet,
it does become their economy,
1355
01:06:40,402 --> 01:06:41,471
not our economy.
1356
01:06:42,639 --> 01:06:44,875
And it does become a matter
of stopping their economy.
1357
01:06:44,907 --> 01:06:48,045
[light dramatic music]
1358
01:06:49,913 --> 01:06:53,217
[Max] There's war being waged
on the natural world every day.
1359
01:06:53,983 --> 01:06:56,286
Yet, when we talk about
fighting back...
1360
01:06:57,454 --> 01:06:59,722
people look at us
like we're crazy... [chuckles]
1361
01:07:00,757 --> 01:07:04,360
The vast majority of
environmentalists in this culture
1362
01:07:04,393 --> 01:07:06,396
do not perceive that
we are in a war.
1363
01:07:07,429 --> 01:07:11,434
They love this culture and they
see that it has some problems.
1364
01:07:11,467 --> 01:07:16,172
And I see that we're living
in a culture that is not broken.
1365
01:07:16,206 --> 01:07:18,008
It was set up this way.
1366
01:07:18,041 --> 01:07:20,744
It was set up
to exploit and to steal
1367
01:07:20,777 --> 01:07:25,215
and to use violence
to take what it needs.
1368
01:07:25,248 --> 01:07:27,284
That's the history
of this culture,
1369
01:07:27,317 --> 01:07:30,887
and I do not see
how to stop it without force.
1370
01:07:34,824 --> 01:07:37,161
[Lierre] What I don't understand
is why we're not fighting back.
1371
01:07:38,061 --> 01:07:40,764
Because what I do know
is that if there's anybody alive
1372
01:07:40,797 --> 01:07:43,199
to look back
100 years from now...
1373
01:07:43,233 --> 01:07:46,369
they are going to wonder what
the fuck was wrong with us.
1374
01:07:46,402 --> 01:07:49,371
That we didn't fight
when the planet was going down.
1375
01:07:49,405 --> 01:07:52,876
Now, you love something or you
wouldn't be listening to this.
1376
01:07:52,909 --> 01:07:55,244
Whatever you love,
it is under assault.
1377
01:07:56,211 --> 01:07:57,313
But "love" is a verb.
1378
01:07:58,014 --> 01:08:01,050
We've got to let our love
call us to action.
1379
01:08:03,385 --> 01:08:06,755
[melancholic music]
1380
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:09,860
[Julia] I spent three years
making a film about the ocean.
1381
01:08:11,561 --> 01:08:13,697
It is only now that I've learned
1382
01:08:13,730 --> 01:08:17,167
that the production of
so-called "green technology"
1383
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:21,204
represents one of the largest
upcoming threats to the ocean.
1384
01:08:22,671 --> 01:08:24,940
They want to mine the deep sea,
1385
01:08:24,974 --> 01:08:28,444
to provide the materials
necessary for the proliferation
1386
01:08:28,478 --> 01:08:30,881
of so-called "green technology."
1387
01:08:32,047 --> 01:08:35,851
A recent study estimates
that two million cubic-feet
1388
01:08:35,885 --> 01:08:40,289
of sediment will be processed
each day by each mining vessel.
1389
01:08:41,024 --> 01:08:44,061
The resulting slurry will be
dumped back into the ocean...
1390
01:08:44,761 --> 01:08:46,763
where it will
increase turbidity,
1391
01:08:46,796 --> 01:08:49,499
smother and bury organisms
1392
01:08:49,532 --> 01:08:52,168
and toxify the food web
with heavy metals.
1393
01:08:55,104 --> 01:08:58,807
The ocean, which is
the source of all life...
1394
01:08:58,841 --> 01:09:01,711
has become
the next sacrifice zone,
1395
01:09:01,743 --> 01:09:04,380
in the name of green technology.
1396
01:09:06,215 --> 01:09:09,286
People claim that
the future of electric cars
1397
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:11,188
may depend on deep sea mining.
1398
01:09:12,521 --> 01:09:14,890
What if we switched
what is primary
1399
01:09:14,923 --> 01:09:18,295
and instead said,
that the future of the ocean
1400
01:09:18,328 --> 01:09:20,531
depends on stopping car culture?
1401
01:09:21,663 --> 01:09:24,934
Or that the future of the ocean
depends on opposing
1402
01:09:24,967 --> 01:09:26,802
so-called "green technology?"
1403
01:09:29,305 --> 01:09:32,275
Evidently, this culture
does not care
1404
01:09:32,307 --> 01:09:34,144
whether the ocean has a future.
1405
01:09:35,444 --> 01:09:37,581
It's more interested
in justifying
1406
01:09:37,613 --> 01:09:39,548
continued exploitation
1407
01:09:39,582 --> 01:09:42,152
under the banner
of green consumerism.
1408
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,856
What we desperately need,
is an environmental movement
1409
01:09:46,889 --> 01:09:48,824
that's willing
to put nature first.
1410
01:09:49,993 --> 01:09:52,395
That's willing to
put life on this planet
1411
01:09:52,427 --> 01:09:53,963
above this way of life.
1412
01:09:55,264 --> 01:09:58,668
We need people who will look
honestly at the problems
1413
01:09:58,701 --> 01:10:01,337
and have the courage
to ask the right questions.
1414
01:10:03,171 --> 01:10:05,741
Most importantly,
we need to get to work.
1415
01:10:06,509 --> 01:10:08,478
To stop the destruction
1416
01:10:08,511 --> 01:10:10,113
and allow life to come back.
1417
01:10:14,583 --> 01:10:17,953
[music fades]
1418
01:10:17,987 --> 01:10:21,658
[light dramatic music]
1419
01:10:21,713 --> 01:10:26,713
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