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Shake this square world
and blast off for Kicksville.
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America's public enemy
number one is drug abuse.
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Just say "No".
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The mafia is a major player
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in the international drug underworld.
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At the end of the day,
it's all about the dollar.
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It's all about the dollar.
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American people want
the mob and its associates
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brought to justice
and their power broken.
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There's now an understanding
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that the war on drugs
was an abject failure.
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You have to stop and ask
yourself "How did we get here?".
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I would go out in the morning,
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I would sit down,
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I would order an egg sandwich
and a cup of coffee,
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and my friends would come,
and we planned the day.
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How we're gonna pillage
and plunder New York City.
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And that was our job.
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My name is
Anthony Ruggiano junior.
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I'm called Anthony or Ruge.
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I was an associate of
the Gambino Crime Family.
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Listen, the mob,
we are self-centered people.
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It's all about us.
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You know what that means, right?
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How much money's in it for me?
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Let's kill our best friends.
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Let's sell heroin.
Let's poison the city.
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It don't matter.
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John Gotti,
he was very impressive.
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My father told me once when
I was about 18 years old,
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only three things are gonna
happen to John Gotti.
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He's either gonna
become the boss one day,
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he's going to get 100 years in prison,
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or he's gonna get shot in the head.
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That was my father's
future for John Gotti.
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So, my father, his name was Fat Andy.
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He met John when John was
a teenager in east New York.
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He always knew John was a tough kid,
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and, you know, it went from there.
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John was charismatic,
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like, you know, he had
a flash about him, you know?
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He definitely had a flash about him.
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They had conversations,
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John Gotti and my father
used to have conversations
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with each other about
how many people they killed.
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I actually had an
argument with my father
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because he wanted me to kill
somebody, and I told him no,
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and he got mad at me because
I didn't want to kill somebody.
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That's how much they
believed in this life.
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John Gotti and my father
believed that it was okay
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to tell your son
to go kill somebody.
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And then if he says no,
you get mad at him.
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Ha. Let's talk about that.
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I mean, you know, right? Yeah.
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John Gotti was
one of the known heavies,
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if you will,
in the Gambino Crime Family.
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Somebody the family could
rely on for acts of violence,
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for killing people.
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He was a thug.
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The Gambino family,
they ran the show.
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I mean, they had
all the nightclubs,
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they had all the construction companies.
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If you needed cement,
you had to go to them.
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They had all the bookmaking.
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They had the police on the payroll.
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When we went to prisons,
they had the COs on the take.
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The Gambino family,
and all the families,
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had their hands in everything.
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Cut it out and let us through.
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Come on. Make a hole and...
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Paul Castellano, who's the boss,
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has put out an edict:
Nobody deals drugs.
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It's verboten.
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And if you deal drugs,
no appeal, we're gonna kill you.
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And it wasn't that Castellano
thought drugs was a bad thing,
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there wasn't a moral situation.
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They didn't need the money,
they didn't want the aggravation
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that came with dealing drugs.
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They didn't want
the law enforcement pressure
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that came with dealing drugs.
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We know the rules,
we know the regulations.
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We don't discuss them.
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But when Gotti senior
steps into the mafia,
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he does Gotti's rules.
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He breaks every mafia
protocol and every rule.
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And one of those
rules was selling drugs.
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I'm Johnny Alite.
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Enforcer, drug dealer,
and, uh, killer for John Gotti.
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So when I'm approached to get
involved in the heroin trade
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with the Gotti family, I'm on
the bottom of that totem pole.
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And when they ask me
to step into business,
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obviously, when you're asked
a question like that,
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it's not an ask,
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it's telling you you're now
in the heroin business.
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So I was in the heroin business.
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You got heroin coming in
back then from Turkey.
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It was coming in from Spain
and the Sicilian faction.
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So they had different routes
they were bringing heroin
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and moving it
from every direction.
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Every single guy
around the Gotti family,
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anybody who was within our crew,
was moving heroin.
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They were a drug dealer's drug dealer.
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They were wholesaling the drugs
to big time heroin dealers.
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John Gotti doesn't want
to know about the drugs.
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At the end of the week
or the end of the month,
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he wants his envelopes.
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He doesn't want to hear
where it comes from.
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When someone brings you
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a shopping bag full of money,
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you're not going to give
the guy the third degree.
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Yeah, he broke the rules,
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but, you know, I guess rules
are made to be broken.
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Back then we thought it was normal,
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because that's how I was raised.
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I was raised in that atmosphere,
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and it was really a good time in
my life, to be honest with you.
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So I would go out to Manhattan
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and everybody was there blowing coke,
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and everybody was in the,
it was just a big party scene.
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We always were well manicured.
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You know, getting manicures was classy.
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I got a manicure
yesterday for this shoot.
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Yeah.
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I even got my eyebrows
waxed for you the other day.
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Today there's a zillion
different kinds of drugs,
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but back then in the day,
it was coke, pot and heroin.
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I never saw John snort coke,
so I would say he never did.
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You know the problem,
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when you talk to people
around him at the time,
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is John Gotti, among other things,
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was a degenerate gambler.
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And apparently wasn't
a very good gambler.
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He wasn't an average guy
losing $50 a game,
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he was a guy that's
losing 100,000 a game.
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There's only one business
that could bring in
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this kind of money,
and that's the drug business.
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So, Paul Castellano
was a different style
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than John Gotti was.
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Old guy, old school, very low key.
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Paul kept hearing these
great things about this guy,
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John Gotti.
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He's guarded his family.
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What a capable guy he's got.
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What a powerful crew he's got.
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Paul sees it as a threat.
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Oh, everybody likes this guy.
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Hey, no, the attention's
supposed to come to me,
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not to this guy.
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So, right there Paul's got
a problem with John Gotti.
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When I was 16 years
old, my father looked at me
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and he goes,
"You want to work for me?"
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He said, "Going to jail was all
part of the job" he told me.
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My life escalated from
working in a blackjack game
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when I was 16, to a dice game,
to a number office,
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to hijacking trucks,
to violence, to commit a murder.
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I mean, that was
the progression of my life.
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You know, listen, when I was a kid,
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my father's partner told me,
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"Before you definitely
commit to this life,
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go to Washington, D.C.,"
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he told me, "and look at
the justice department building,
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and look at that building,
and I want you to know
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that that building is gonna
chase you and come after you.
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your whole life", he told me.
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I didn't do it, but that's
what he told me to do.
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Yeah.
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The time has come to cripple the power
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of the mob in America.
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Can we honestly say that America
is a land with justice for all
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if we do not now exert every effort
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to eliminate this confederation
of professional criminals,
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this dark, evil enemy within?
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You know the answer to that question.
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The American people want
the mob and its associates
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brought to justice
and their power broken.
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My name is Bruce Mouw.
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I was the FBI supervisor
for approximately 20 years,
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responsible for all investigations
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involving the Gambino Crime Family.
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When I was first assigned
to our office in Queens,
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and we started hearing informants
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reporting on this active
crew in Ozone Park
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called the Bergin Hunt and Fish Crew,
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the captain being John Gotti.
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That was his kind of
traditional, historic club.
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When he was running his crew,
that was his headquarters.
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It was a very active crew.
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There were a lot of killers in the crew,
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and so it was one of the
biggest targets for our squad.
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When you target the
crew of a crime family,
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you always look for weak links,
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and our informants told us that
a very weak link in the family
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was a guy named Angelo "Quack Quack."
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He had a big mouth, he talked
a lot and he was a gossip.
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Gotti's right-hand man, best friend,
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and known to be his cousin,
was Angelo.
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He was Gotti's personal
strong arm, henchman,
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intimidator, and moneymaker.
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Along with his brother, Genie Gotti,
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these guys were the two biggest
earners for Gotti senior
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in the heroin trade.
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Our informants told us that
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he's having meetings in his house.
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The big house on Barnard Avenue,
Cedarhurst, Long Island.
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There was a little dining area
right outside his kitchen,
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and he's meeting other organized
crime members and associates.
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So we put a bug
in the little dining area,
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and we also put it
in the downstairs den.
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And after a while we start
picking up Gene Gotti
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showing up there,
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and they were talking about
major multi-kilo heroin deals.
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Paul Castellano was
the boss at the time,
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and he didn't react too well.
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He wasn't happy.
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He wanted the tapes.
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He wanted the tapes, number one,
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just to make sure that
his name wasn't involved,
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that was the first thing,
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And the second thing was
that he knew that was the way
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to get rid of John and Genie,
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because the rule was
you can't sell heroin,
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and it still could be enforced
by a guy like Castellano.
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Once Paul started
sending for those tapes,
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and they weren't gonna give them up,
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the **** was gonna hit the fan.
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I heard rumors.
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Somebody told me on Mulberry Street
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that Paul was going
around telling people
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that he was gonna take
care of John after christmas.
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You don't say that
about a guy like John.
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John didn't wait for christmas,
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because John didn't give
a **** about christmas!
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After them tapes,
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after Paul wanted
to listen to them tapes,
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John knew, at that point,
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it was kill or be killed,
and basically we all knew that.
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Sometimes I feel like I talk too much,
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but that's a good thing, right?
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My name's Karen Gravano.
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I'm the daughter of Salvatore
"Sammy the Bull" Gravano.
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I was about nine years old
when I started to realize
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that my father had
a different type of lifestyle.
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He was a gangster and,
you know, whatever that meant.
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If you crossed him, you had a problem.
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When he came home,
he wasn't a gangster at home.
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He was a father, he was
a friend, he was a protector.
248
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There's this one time,
when we were kids,
249
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like my father took us
to a duck pond,
250
00:17:56,292 --> 00:17:58,759
and I think we had
a couple of my cousins.
251
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So everybody was feeding the
duck, and the duck went crazy,
252
00:18:03,166 --> 00:18:04,865
and I think it
bit me or my cousin,
253
00:18:04,867 --> 00:18:06,367
and I remember
my father just, like,
254
00:18:06,369 --> 00:18:08,836
grabbing the duck by
its neck and choking him.
255
00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:11,072
Feathers were flying,
ducks, we're all screaming.
256
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Everybody was running.
257
00:18:12,608 --> 00:18:15,643
But, you know, he was protective.
258
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I mean, I would choke a duck
if they attacked my daughters.
259
00:18:21,150 --> 00:18:22,717
And then it's just like all of a sudden,
260
00:18:22,719 --> 00:18:24,985
John Gotti appeared in my life.
261
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He had come to my
father because John knew
262
00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:31,158
that he couldn't make a move on Paul
263
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without including my father.
264
00:18:33,296 --> 00:18:37,031
My father felt like Paul wasn't
kicking down to his own family,
265
00:18:37,033 --> 00:18:38,599
he was making a lot of money,
266
00:18:38,601 --> 00:18:41,736
and he really wasn't
spreading the wealth.
267
00:18:41,738 --> 00:18:42,770
I don't want to sit here and say, like,
268
00:18:42,772 --> 00:18:44,705
my father loved to do murder,
269
00:18:44,707 --> 00:18:46,707
because I don't think
anybody really likes that,
270
00:18:46,709 --> 00:18:49,143
but he was actually good at it.
271
00:18:55,184 --> 00:18:59,553
It's snowing out,
a little snow, white christmas.
272
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I know it's gonna happen any day now.
273
00:19:08,931 --> 00:19:10,865
So the plan that they came up with
274
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was rather ingenious.
275
00:19:12,201 --> 00:19:14,802
They decide to take Paul Castellano out
276
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by luring him to one
of his favorite restaurants
277
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with captains that
he absolutely trusted.
278
00:19:20,777 --> 00:19:23,043
Their scheme was all the shooters,
279
00:19:23,045 --> 00:19:24,278
and they had many of them
280
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,213
because they wanted to
be able to pull this off,
281
00:19:26,215 --> 00:19:29,350
were gonna be in
trench coats, Russian hats.
282
00:19:29,352 --> 00:19:32,787
You see that a lot in New York,
and it's just so nothing.
283
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:34,655
No one's really going to
pay attention to anything.
284
00:19:34,657 --> 00:19:36,824
If anything, they'll focus on,
285
00:19:36,826 --> 00:19:38,626
"Well, there's a guy with
a trench coat and a Russian hat,
286
00:19:38,628 --> 00:19:40,528
I can't tell you
anything else about him."
287
00:19:40,530 --> 00:19:43,364
One of the busiest sections
of midtown Manhattan,
288
00:19:43,366 --> 00:19:47,635
four o'clock in the afternoon,
around the holidays.
289
00:19:47,637 --> 00:19:50,171
So John Gotti was
in the car up the corner
290
00:19:50,173 --> 00:19:51,772
with Sammy the Bull.
291
00:19:51,774 --> 00:19:53,040
He hated Paul so much
292
00:19:53,042 --> 00:19:55,743
that he wanted to see
him laying in the street.
293
00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:03,584
I happen to be at another guy,
294
00:20:03,586 --> 00:20:06,153
I was at dinner at his house,
sitting at the kitchen table,
295
00:20:06,155 --> 00:20:08,522
and he had a little
television on the table.
296
00:20:15,231 --> 00:20:16,931
And while we're sitting eating,
297
00:20:16,933 --> 00:20:20,034
we get some 911 texts on our beepers.
298
00:20:20,036 --> 00:20:22,369
Back in those day, it was beepers.
299
00:20:24,674 --> 00:20:27,708
And I kept getting them, 911, 911.
300
00:20:30,146 --> 00:20:32,680
And behind the 911, I'm getting 9-8.
301
00:20:32,682 --> 00:20:36,050
That means come to the club
on 98th street, the Bergin.
302
00:20:38,321 --> 00:20:40,754
So I know something happened.
303
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:48,429
It's all over the news.
304
00:20:48,431 --> 00:20:49,864
It's flashed everywhere.
305
00:20:49,866 --> 00:20:53,734
That Paul Castellano was hit
in front of Sparks Steakhouse.
306
00:20:53,736 --> 00:20:55,035
Big Paul Castellano,
307
00:20:55,037 --> 00:20:57,404
reputed godfather of the Gambino family,
308
00:20:57,406 --> 00:20:59,673
was on his way to
a Manhattan steakhouse.
309
00:20:59,675 --> 00:21:01,442
As he stepped from his black Lincoln,
310
00:21:01,444 --> 00:21:04,745
three men wearing fur hats and
trench coats suddenly appeared,
311
00:21:04,747 --> 00:21:07,948
pulled guns, pumped six
bullets into Castellano
312
00:21:07,950 --> 00:21:10,718
and six into his top capo,
Thomas Bilotti,
313
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,987
and then calmly walked away.
314
00:21:15,157 --> 00:21:17,424
I was upstairs in
my room, and all of a sudden
315
00:21:17,426 --> 00:21:21,695
on the news, I'm hearing,
you know, Paul Castellano,
316
00:21:21,697 --> 00:21:25,399
mob boss, is killed
outside Sparks Steakhouse,
317
00:21:25,401 --> 00:21:28,269
and I'm thinking, like,
"Wow, who could have done this?"
318
00:21:30,873 --> 00:21:33,641
After the hit,
Sammy Gravano and John Gotti
319
00:21:33,643 --> 00:21:35,409
drove the car down the street
320
00:21:35,411 --> 00:21:39,213
and they slowed up and looked at
the bodies and kept on going.
321
00:21:44,954 --> 00:21:47,087
Because he was a gangster,
322
00:21:47,089 --> 00:21:50,591
and he wanted to be there
and see it for his own eyes.
323
00:21:54,196 --> 00:21:56,664
And then John was the boss.
324
00:22:05,441 --> 00:22:07,641
The old-time mob bosses,
you'd say, you know,
325
00:22:07,643 --> 00:22:11,211
they ruled with an iron fist,
covered with a velvet glove.
326
00:22:11,213 --> 00:22:13,113
Well, Gotti saw no need for the glove,
327
00:22:13,115 --> 00:22:14,515
that's what it came down to.
328
00:22:14,517 --> 00:22:18,052
This was a hostile takeover
in every sense of the word.
329
00:22:20,323 --> 00:22:23,924
After he was killed
and John became the boss,
330
00:22:23,926 --> 00:22:26,427
all the heroin dealers
that were around John
331
00:22:26,429 --> 00:22:28,529
all got straightened out.
332
00:22:39,608 --> 00:22:43,410
Gotti was a boss
who reflected the times.
333
00:22:43,412 --> 00:22:46,547
He was always grabbing and
reaching for more and more.
334
00:22:52,755 --> 00:22:56,724
So by the time that
we reach about 1986, 1987,
335
00:22:56,726 --> 00:23:00,694
we expand the heroin business
into the cocaine business.
336
00:23:02,965 --> 00:23:05,232
I have Colombian connections,
337
00:23:05,234 --> 00:23:08,068
so we're coming in from Colombia.
338
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:11,305
There's loads coming in from Miami,
339
00:23:11,307 --> 00:23:13,474
coming in from Detroit.
340
00:23:18,414 --> 00:23:22,649
The allure was money,
and very easy money.
341
00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:25,886
If you've got the connections,
it's about the logistics.
342
00:23:25,888 --> 00:23:27,921
It was money.
343
00:23:27,923 --> 00:23:30,090
So we go out to
the Hamptons, Fire Island.
344
00:23:30,092 --> 00:23:32,626
Party, drink, broads,
345
00:23:32,628 --> 00:23:35,662
champagne flowing from
the morning till night.
346
00:23:35,664 --> 00:23:40,267
Listen, when you have keys to
the city, like John Gotti did,
347
00:23:40,269 --> 00:23:44,505
he was arrogant, he didn't
care that he broke every rule.
348
00:23:44,507 --> 00:23:45,472
You know, this was supposed to be
349
00:23:45,474 --> 00:23:47,274
Cosa Nostra, our thing.
350
00:23:47,276 --> 00:23:49,309
When John Gotti took over,
351
00:23:49,311 --> 00:23:53,213
it was no longer "our thing,"
it was "my thing."
352
00:23:54,717 --> 00:23:57,084
His transformation
was like a caterpillar
353
00:23:57,086 --> 00:23:59,653
turning into a butterfly.
354
00:23:59,655 --> 00:24:02,189
All of a sudden,
he's wearing $3,000 ties,
355
00:24:02,191 --> 00:24:05,359
and the cocoon opens
and out comes the dapper don.
356
00:24:05,361 --> 00:24:06,493
He's out and about.
357
00:24:06,495 --> 00:24:08,862
He's good with a quip and a sound bite.
358
00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:10,264
Why don't you just behave yourself?
359
00:24:10,266 --> 00:24:11,432
I'm behaving myself.
360
00:24:11,434 --> 00:24:12,733
You're not behaving yourself.
361
00:24:12,735 --> 00:24:14,568
John Gotti changes the whole dynamic
362
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:15,803
of organized crime.
363
00:24:15,805 --> 00:24:18,005
No longer the old Sicilian-style,
364
00:24:18,007 --> 00:24:20,274
"make money not headlines,
stay in the shadows."
365
00:24:20,276 --> 00:24:22,042
The idea was, what's
the point of being a gangster
366
00:24:22,044 --> 00:24:23,911
if nobody knows who you are?
367
00:24:23,913 --> 00:24:26,713
Every fourth of July
he throws a free fireworks bash
368
00:24:26,715 --> 00:24:29,283
for the neighborhood.
369
00:24:29,285 --> 00:24:30,884
When police had tried to stop it,
370
00:24:30,886 --> 00:24:32,653
the crowds have driven them back.
371
00:24:32,655 --> 00:24:36,623
Gotti is somewhat of a local hero here.
372
00:24:36,625 --> 00:24:38,892
Ironically, the neighborhood thinks
373
00:24:38,894 --> 00:24:42,329
John Gotti's keeping
the drug dealers out of here.
374
00:24:42,331 --> 00:24:44,364
Yet John Gotti's a drug dealer,
375
00:24:44,366 --> 00:24:47,401
but he's not the guy
pedaling it on the street, right?
376
00:24:47,403 --> 00:24:48,769
So it's the perception.
377
00:24:48,771 --> 00:24:50,504
He's saving us from drug dealers.
378
00:24:50,506 --> 00:24:52,139
No, he's not.
379
00:24:54,877 --> 00:24:57,478
Gotti was every day,
in your face, look at me,
380
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:03,150
I'm a gangster doing this,
and that drives law enforcement.
381
00:25:03,152 --> 00:25:05,252
You're in my face, you're doing this?
382
00:25:05,254 --> 00:25:06,453
I'm coming to get you.
383
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:23,303
He was such the boss.
384
00:25:23,305 --> 00:25:25,906
He says, "And the worst
I'll ever wind up with,"
385
00:25:25,908 --> 00:25:29,209
he said, "is a hung jury,
because the public loves me."
386
00:25:29,211 --> 00:25:32,045
And he was convinced
that the public loved him,
387
00:25:32,047 --> 00:25:35,315
that they would never
convict him at a trial.
388
00:25:41,090 --> 00:25:44,024
Every time there was a
trial against John Gotti senior,
389
00:25:44,026 --> 00:25:47,995
we were ordered to intimidate,
hurt, or bribe the juries.
390
00:25:47,997 --> 00:25:50,063
Get them not to give a guilty plea,
391
00:25:50,065 --> 00:25:52,533
and we'll take care of you
and a family member.
392
00:25:52,535 --> 00:25:53,767
If you can't get to them,
393
00:25:53,769 --> 00:25:55,869
tell them we'll take
of you's a different way.
394
00:25:55,871 --> 00:25:58,372
In other words,
we'll hurt you or kill you.
395
00:25:58,374 --> 00:26:00,674
We find him not guilty.
396
00:26:02,211 --> 00:26:03,510
Are you happy?
397
00:26:03,512 --> 00:26:04,678
Well, for sure.
398
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,513
- We're all happy.
- We're all happy.
399
00:26:06,515 --> 00:26:08,282
We got a good decision.
400
00:26:08,284 --> 00:26:10,584
The whole city should be happy.
401
00:26:18,494 --> 00:26:20,160
By the time he beats the third one,
402
00:26:20,162 --> 00:26:22,596
the public is convinced,
the media's convinced,
403
00:26:22,598 --> 00:26:24,731
law enforcement can't put him in jail.
404
00:26:24,733 --> 00:26:26,967
The charges just don't stick.
405
00:26:26,969 --> 00:26:31,038
He starts developing
the nickname The Teflon Don.
406
00:26:39,548 --> 00:26:41,782
Brooklyn, Queens,
Bushwick, East New York,
407
00:26:41,784 --> 00:26:43,750
South Jamaica, jails.
408
00:26:43,752 --> 00:26:46,787
If we seen a business that
we like, we'd step into it,
409
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:49,790
and there was nobody
was gonna stop us.
410
00:26:49,792 --> 00:26:51,391
Well, without a doubt
he felt invincible,
411
00:26:51,393 --> 00:26:52,826
and he put it in their faces.
412
00:26:52,828 --> 00:26:54,561
And plus, he was an egomaniac.
413
00:26:54,563 --> 00:26:57,030
So, yeah, it was unheard of.
It was unprecedented.
414
00:26:57,032 --> 00:27:00,167
Everybody knew in their heart
that we were headed for trouble.
415
00:29:12,334 --> 00:29:13,834
We're moving it through Rikers Island,
416
00:29:13,836 --> 00:29:16,937
through guards that are
giving it to inmates.
417
00:29:16,939 --> 00:29:19,806
The easy connection is they're
from our neighborhoods.
418
00:29:19,808 --> 00:29:21,708
These guys grew up
in our neighborhoods,
419
00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:23,377
they grew up in poverty.
420
00:29:23,379 --> 00:29:28,615
We have connections to them
through people, family members.
421
00:29:28,617 --> 00:29:31,284
So one of the guys that I was
doing business with in heroin,
422
00:29:31,286 --> 00:29:33,487
he was a sergeant at Rikers Island.
423
00:29:33,489 --> 00:29:38,258
His brother actually worked
for me in the cocaine business.
424
00:29:38,260 --> 00:29:41,294
We use him to get me the other
connections of the other guards,
425
00:29:41,296 --> 00:29:45,932
guys that he trusts,
guys that he knows for years.
426
00:29:45,934 --> 00:29:49,369
You just had to have a half of
a brain, a little bit of balls,
427
00:29:49,371 --> 00:29:53,707
and with the power structure
behind me and other guys,
428
00:29:53,709 --> 00:29:58,912
the city was ours, and the way
we made money was ours.
429
00:29:58,914 --> 00:30:00,747
John's style was
completely different
430
00:30:00,749 --> 00:30:02,149
than Paul's.
431
00:30:02,151 --> 00:30:07,020
Paul ran the Gambino family
within La Cosa Nostra rules,
432
00:30:07,022 --> 00:30:08,555
like a business.
433
00:30:08,557 --> 00:30:13,026
There were protocols to how you,
to how things are gonna happen.
434
00:30:13,028 --> 00:30:15,729
Gotti ran the
organization like it was a gang.
435
00:30:15,731 --> 00:30:17,931
I mean, that's what he knew,
that's what he came up with.
436
00:30:17,933 --> 00:30:21,168
You had guys dealing drugs,
you had guys doing scams,
437
00:30:21,170 --> 00:30:23,303
you had guys out doing this,
that and the other thing,
438
00:30:23,305 --> 00:30:27,340
and so he brought that same gang
mentality to his leadership.
439
00:30:38,821 --> 00:30:42,189
I believe it was 1986
my father became the underboss.
440
00:30:42,191 --> 00:30:44,257
My father was basically
his pit bull, his friend,
441
00:30:44,259 --> 00:30:48,261
his confidant, and someone
that Gotti can trust.
442
00:31:01,143 --> 00:31:04,511
John's motto was,
"Let's put it out there, Sammy.
443
00:31:04,513 --> 00:31:07,047
Let's put it on front street."
444
00:31:09,017 --> 00:31:11,184
He was the boss.
445
00:31:11,186 --> 00:31:13,153
He had everybody standing at attention.
446
00:31:13,155 --> 00:31:15,355
He had everybody coming to see him.
447
00:31:15,357 --> 00:31:17,924
Like, he would basically
call meetings every night
448
00:31:17,926 --> 00:31:20,026
that they had to be on Mulberry Street
449
00:31:20,028 --> 00:31:23,430
at the Ravenite Social Club at 6:00 pm,
450
00:31:23,432 --> 00:31:25,899
and that's not what gangsters do.
451
00:31:25,901 --> 00:31:27,868
Cosa Nostra is a secret society,
452
00:31:27,870 --> 00:31:30,770
you're not supposed to
show people what you are,
453
00:31:30,772 --> 00:31:35,175
and that became a strain
between my father and John.
454
00:31:58,500 --> 00:31:59,900
I mean, we could never figure out
455
00:31:59,902 --> 00:32:03,470
who these guys were
under Paul Castellano.
456
00:32:03,472 --> 00:32:05,805
There were 250 members in this family.
457
00:32:05,807 --> 00:32:09,509
John made 60%, 70% of them at some point
458
00:32:09,511 --> 00:32:13,647
show up at the Ravenite Club
to pay homage to him.
459
00:32:20,022 --> 00:32:24,691
We were able to identify
a huge number of members
460
00:32:24,693 --> 00:32:28,662
of that family, associate them
with their vehicles,
461
00:32:28,664 --> 00:32:31,064
associate them with their crews.
462
00:32:31,066 --> 00:32:33,833
That's important and vital information.
463
00:32:36,705 --> 00:32:39,606
John handed it to us.
464
00:32:56,592 --> 00:33:00,260
So the strategy was
we got to bug this guy
465
00:33:00,262 --> 00:33:03,396
anyplace he's
potentially doing business.
466
00:33:03,398 --> 00:33:07,033
The trick was finding
the right places to put bugs.
467
00:33:11,206 --> 00:33:14,074
So the first place we knew
John was going every day
468
00:33:14,076 --> 00:33:16,209
was back to the
Bergin Hunt and Fish Club,
469
00:33:16,211 --> 00:33:17,978
which was in Queens.
470
00:33:22,451 --> 00:33:25,085
Then we knew every night
he was going to the Ravenite,
471
00:33:25,087 --> 00:33:27,921
so that would be the
next place to try and bug.
472
00:33:30,058 --> 00:33:33,259
And sources tell us that
he's now using this apartment
473
00:33:33,261 --> 00:33:37,030
two stories up to have
his very important meetings.
474
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:40,433
We had a widow living there.
475
00:33:40,435 --> 00:33:45,772
Our tech guys went in, they put
the bug into her apartment.
476
00:33:45,774 --> 00:33:47,407
We're all excited.
477
00:33:47,409 --> 00:33:50,510
So we're sitting there waiting
for that first conversation
478
00:33:50,512 --> 00:33:52,178
and, you know, day one goes, nothing.
479
00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:54,714
Day two, nothing. Day three, nothing.
480
00:34:02,391 --> 00:34:05,625
But a few days later
we hear the back door open.
481
00:34:05,627 --> 00:34:06,893
We heard him walking
through the hallway,
482
00:34:06,895 --> 00:34:09,729
going up these wooden steps upstairs.
483
00:34:09,731 --> 00:34:12,265
We activated the apartment mic,
484
00:34:12,267 --> 00:34:14,134
and we also hear
the apartment open up,
485
00:34:14,136 --> 00:34:16,136
and we hear three guys come in.
486
00:34:16,138 --> 00:34:19,572
And I'm home, you know,
and I get a phone call,
487
00:34:19,574 --> 00:34:22,375
and all they told me was,
"He's in the apartment."
488
00:34:22,377 --> 00:34:24,811
"He's been up here for an hour plus."
489
00:34:24,813 --> 00:34:26,980
"We could hear everything great."
490
00:34:26,982 --> 00:34:28,114
"I think you're going to be happy."
491
00:34:28,116 --> 00:34:29,716
"It sounds like they were
talking about murder."
492
00:34:41,813 --> 00:34:43,480
I can't wait to get
in the office the next day,
493
00:34:43,482 --> 00:34:46,249
because I have to listen to this.
494
00:34:46,251 --> 00:34:49,519
We put the tape on to review it,
495
00:34:49,521 --> 00:34:53,590
and not only is it great conversation,
496
00:34:53,592 --> 00:34:57,761
and it's John and Sammy,
497
00:34:57,763 --> 00:34:59,963
and the first conversation we get,
498
00:34:59,965 --> 00:35:03,333
in the one place we were hopeful
to get good conversations,
499
00:35:03,335 --> 00:35:06,069
is on why they killed Paul Castellano.
500
00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:10,373
I mean, you couldn't have
scripted that for Hollywood,
501
00:35:10,375 --> 00:35:13,076
to make stuff like that fall out.
502
00:35:13,078 --> 00:35:14,511
It was incredible.
503
00:35:16,481 --> 00:35:20,250
The plan was we wanted the
impact of arresting all of them
504
00:35:20,252 --> 00:35:22,152
at the Ravenite together.
505
00:35:25,557 --> 00:35:28,925
We're just waiting
for Sammy, number two.
506
00:35:28,927 --> 00:35:30,760
So once Bruce told me we had them,
507
00:35:30,762 --> 00:35:33,029
I just had to get down
there as fast as I could.
508
00:35:38,737 --> 00:35:40,270
I'm the lead car.
509
00:35:40,272 --> 00:35:45,408
We go, I mean, I'm, once I'm
going, nothing is stopping me.
510
00:35:45,410 --> 00:35:49,946
Bust through traffic, go up
Mulberry Street the wrong way,
511
00:35:49,948 --> 00:35:51,514
block off the street.
512
00:35:51,516 --> 00:35:53,383
Jump out of the car.
513
00:35:53,385 --> 00:35:55,185
Run into the Ravenite.
514
00:35:55,187 --> 00:35:57,654
You know,
kind of make my entrance,
515
00:35:57,656 --> 00:36:01,191
say, "Alright, everybody,
know who I am.
516
00:36:01,193 --> 00:36:05,195
You know why I'm here.
I want you to be cooperative.
517
00:36:05,197 --> 00:36:08,531
The guys behind me
are gonna deal with you."
518
00:36:08,533 --> 00:36:10,366
And one of the guys
looks at me and says,
519
00:36:10,368 --> 00:36:12,435
"What guys behind you?"
520
00:36:12,437 --> 00:36:14,504
And I turn around and I was like,
521
00:36:14,506 --> 00:36:17,874
"Well, there will be guys
behind me any minute now.
522
00:36:17,876 --> 00:36:20,210
I'm not sure where the heck they are."
523
00:36:20,212 --> 00:36:22,111
John was drinking coffee.
524
00:36:22,113 --> 00:36:24,214
You know, and John, you know,
typical arrogant self,
525
00:36:24,216 --> 00:36:27,484
"I knew you were coming."
526
00:36:27,486 --> 00:36:29,853
"Well, I'm glad you knew
I was coming."
527
00:36:29,855 --> 00:36:32,455
Says, "Oh, let me just
finish my coffee."
528
00:36:32,457 --> 00:36:33,923
The one thing about John,
529
00:36:33,925 --> 00:36:39,195
he didn't buckle under, under
the pressure of the FBI or mob.
530
00:36:40,565 --> 00:36:43,199
Mr. Gotti. Thank you.
531
00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:44,334
Mr. Gotti, please.
532
00:36:44,336 --> 00:36:47,904
- That stuff's in the way.
- I know.
533
00:36:59,784 --> 00:37:02,051
Everything started going fast, you know?
534
00:37:02,053 --> 00:37:05,255
It just all started to
come together in my head.
535
00:37:05,257 --> 00:37:08,157
So I realized that
my father's in trouble.
536
00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:10,326
Like this is something big.
537
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,800
A few days after that
we had the remand hearing
538
00:37:17,802 --> 00:37:19,235
where the judge decides
539
00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:21,671
whether they're going to be
released on bail or not.
540
00:37:24,175 --> 00:37:26,843
I'm sitting opposite
the three defendants,
541
00:37:26,845 --> 00:37:28,244
and it was going to be the first time
542
00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:31,748
they were going to hear
a little bit of what we had.
543
00:37:53,805 --> 00:37:56,506
As this was all being
played, I'm looking at John,
544
00:37:56,508 --> 00:38:01,010
like, I told you it was good,
and he's just kind of staring,
545
00:38:01,012 --> 00:38:06,015
like, yeah, I don't know what
I'm going to do about this.
546
00:38:19,564 --> 00:38:21,197
Sammy Gravano's a very shrewd guy
547
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:22,799
and a very intelligent guy,
548
00:38:22,801 --> 00:38:25,335
And Sammy Gravano
looks at the lay of the land,
549
00:38:25,337 --> 00:38:27,036
and on some of the tapes,
550
00:38:27,038 --> 00:38:30,640
Gotti is not saying very
nice things about Gravano.
551
00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:32,842
He implicates Sammy
in a bunch of murders
552
00:38:32,844 --> 00:38:35,511
that are going to put
Sammy in jail for life.
553
00:38:35,513 --> 00:38:37,013
I mean, somebody described it as
554
00:38:37,015 --> 00:38:39,983
Gotti was being what
they call a dry snitch.
555
00:38:39,985 --> 00:38:42,986
He's talking about
murders and blaming Gravano
556
00:38:42,988 --> 00:38:45,238
in case anybody's listening,
557
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,557
and Gravano interprets all of that
558
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:50,326
as "This guy was ready
to throw me under the bus,"
559
00:38:50,328 --> 00:38:53,463
or "This guy is throwing
me under the bus."
560
00:38:53,465 --> 00:38:54,597
He felt betrayed,
561
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:57,000
and the feds were actually smart enough,
562
00:38:57,002 --> 00:38:58,568
because they used this tape
563
00:38:58,570 --> 00:39:01,437
as the wedge between
my father and Gotti.
564
00:39:01,439 --> 00:39:02,805
It's the old saying,
565
00:39:02,807 --> 00:39:04,807
there's no loyalty amongst thieves.
566
00:39:04,809 --> 00:39:06,909
You do what you got to do.
567
00:39:06,911 --> 00:39:08,311
It's the name of the game.
568
00:39:30,552 --> 00:39:32,151
This particular time
when I went on a visit,
569
00:39:32,153 --> 00:39:36,389
I could tell that
something was different.
570
00:39:36,391 --> 00:39:40,259
And he came over, he sat down,
571
00:39:40,261 --> 00:39:42,362
he was like, "I'm going
to tell you something
572
00:39:42,364 --> 00:39:45,231
that goes against
everything I believe in,
573
00:39:45,233 --> 00:39:47,834
and everything I've ever
taught you to believe in."
574
00:39:50,138 --> 00:39:53,673
"I'm going to cooperate
with the government."
575
00:39:53,675 --> 00:39:56,009
And it was like, I couldn't
even believe that those words
576
00:39:56,011 --> 00:39:57,176
came out of his mouth.
577
00:39:57,178 --> 00:40:01,180
Like I never could
imagine him doing that.
578
00:40:01,182 --> 00:40:02,782
Everything that he
ever taught me as a kid,
579
00:40:02,784 --> 00:40:04,450
like, he was so against that.
580
00:40:04,452 --> 00:40:07,787
That he's actually saying
this to me right now,
581
00:40:07,789 --> 00:40:09,789
it just broke my heart.
582
00:40:13,328 --> 00:40:15,161
So when we were making the decision
583
00:40:15,163 --> 00:40:17,230
whether or not to make
the deal with Sammy,
584
00:40:17,232 --> 00:40:18,431
with that came concerns
585
00:40:18,433 --> 00:40:22,902
as to how he could
adversely affect our trial.
586
00:40:22,904 --> 00:40:26,672
I now had somebody
the defense could beat up,
587
00:40:26,674 --> 00:40:28,141
they could cross examine.
588
00:40:28,143 --> 00:40:30,576
The jury can hate this guy.
589
00:40:30,578 --> 00:40:33,146
That's all a problem to my case.
590
00:40:33,148 --> 00:40:35,081
It was a risk.
591
00:40:51,966 --> 00:40:53,433
The guy dressed like Fonzi
592
00:40:53,435 --> 00:40:55,802
is the prosecutor's star witness.
593
00:40:55,804 --> 00:40:58,171
He was Gotti's number two man.
594
00:40:58,173 --> 00:41:01,607
"Sammy the Bull" Gravano
was Gotti's underboss,
595
00:41:01,609 --> 00:41:04,377
and now he's going to tell
the jury all about it.
596
00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:05,912
I'd have to say that
he's the most significant
597
00:41:05,914 --> 00:41:09,549
organized crime figure ever to
cooperate with the government.
598
00:41:09,551 --> 00:41:12,552
On the witness stand,
I mean, even the first time
599
00:41:12,554 --> 00:41:15,922
he came out having to face
and square off against John,
600
00:41:15,924 --> 00:41:17,623
and the two of them lock eyes,
601
00:41:17,625 --> 00:41:19,692
and John's kind of giving
him that stare-down,
602
00:41:19,694 --> 00:41:23,529
and Sammy's like,
"I'm here because of this ****."
603
00:41:23,531 --> 00:41:28,701
Once that moment ended, it's
like, under control, got this.
604
00:41:28,703 --> 00:41:30,069
Not a problem.
605
00:41:30,071 --> 00:41:32,271
They couldn't get under his skin.
606
00:41:32,273 --> 00:41:33,773
They played the rat card.
607
00:41:33,775 --> 00:41:35,441
They did everything.
608
00:41:35,443 --> 00:41:39,612
This guy was one of the best witnesses
609
00:41:39,614 --> 00:41:41,147
I've ever seen testify.
610
00:41:41,149 --> 00:41:43,649
Better than some cops
I've ever seen testify.
611
00:41:43,651 --> 00:41:45,885
He was unflappable.
612
00:41:53,495 --> 00:41:55,294
The teflon is gone.
613
00:41:55,296 --> 00:41:57,130
The don is covered with velcro,
614
00:41:57,132 --> 00:42:00,066
and every charge
in the indictment stuck.
615
00:42:00,068 --> 00:42:01,901
That's when it finally
hit me, I almost teared up,
616
00:42:01,903 --> 00:42:03,703
knowing all this hard
work for years and years
617
00:42:03,705 --> 00:42:06,422
had finally come to fruition.
618
00:42:09,310 --> 00:42:10,309
We did something that nobody thought
619
00:42:10,311 --> 00:42:11,978
was gonna happen, right?
620
00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:13,813
Nobody thought this
guy was gonna go to jail,
621
00:42:13,815 --> 00:42:15,815
and we slammed the doors on him.
622
00:42:15,817 --> 00:42:18,251
Gotti's friends had
organized a rally of supporters
623
00:42:18,253 --> 00:42:21,187
from Gotti's neighborhood
to come and protest the trial,
624
00:42:21,189 --> 00:42:24,090
which they claim was unfair.
625
00:42:24,092 --> 00:42:26,325
The swelled to the
front of the courthouse,
626
00:42:26,327 --> 00:42:30,730
overturned U.S. Marshals' cars
and clashed with police.
627
00:42:30,732 --> 00:42:33,266
Gotti was a boss,
the celebrity gangster.
628
00:42:33,268 --> 00:42:36,302
Gotti was the boss who
grabbed with both fists
629
00:42:36,304 --> 00:42:38,671
his whole way up the mob ladder.
630
00:42:38,673 --> 00:42:41,007
There was a lot of money
to be made dealing drugs,
631
00:42:41,009 --> 00:42:44,177
whether it's coke, marijuana,
heroin, meth, whatever,
632
00:42:44,179 --> 00:42:47,380
but reality was the way
he managed this organization
633
00:42:47,382 --> 00:42:48,781
drove it into the ground.
634
00:42:48,783 --> 00:42:50,349
He felt the public loved him,
635
00:42:50,351 --> 00:42:51,884
and those were his words:
636
00:42:51,886 --> 00:42:55,321
"They love me and the worst
I'll ever get is a hung jury."
637
00:42:55,323 --> 00:42:58,024
And that's what he thought.
638
00:42:58,026 --> 00:42:59,926
And that's what he believed.
639
00:42:59,928 --> 00:43:02,195
But at the end of the day,
he was wrong.
640
00:44:00,355 --> 00:44:02,989
I don't hurt nobody.
I don't rob nobody.
641
00:44:02,991 --> 00:44:07,660
I don't lie to nobody,
but sometimes I miss the action.
642
00:44:07,662 --> 00:44:09,362
I miss the money.
643
00:44:09,364 --> 00:44:11,063
My life was all about greed.
644
00:44:11,065 --> 00:44:12,298
I never had enough.
645
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:13,633
You know, greed is the gasoline
646
00:44:13,635 --> 00:44:15,901
that feeds the engine in the mob.
647
00:44:15,903 --> 00:44:18,371
At the end of the day,
it's all about the dollar.
648
00:44:18,373 --> 00:44:21,407
It's all about the dollar.
649
00:44:21,409 --> 00:44:23,309
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