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Nice to meet you.

- Okay.
- Yes.

In Borat
Subsequent Moviefilm,

I lived with two
conspiracy theorists,

in character, for several days.

- Vaccines.
- Bill Gates.

- Mail-in ballots.
- Chinese virus.

- Drink their blood.
- Not nice.

The myths
and misinformation

they shared with Borat

fuel a dangerous rhetoric

that is tearing apart societies

in front of our eyes.

In this series of episodes,

we'll introduce Jim and Jerry
to world-leading experts,

doctors and academics,
who will address

some of the most dangerous
conspiracies head-on

and debunk them face-to-face.

Hello, Jim and Jerry.

This is Hillary Rodham Clinton.

That is a virus

that was developed in China,

Wuhan, China.

They made a-a virus
that kills people.

So that means that you
have to be locked down.

You can't go out.

Your Democrats are trying
to brainwash people.

They're saying that
we shouldn't be at work.

And I feel like, that they
helped the Chinese create this.

Correct.

Democrats with Obama,

and I think it goes back
to the Clintons,

when they were also in office.

This conversation
contains several

conspiracy theories that have
circulated since the onset

of the coronavirus pandemic.

From the moment the outbreak
began, many influential figures

began to spread
unfounded accusations.

U.S. Senator Tom Cotton
sent a tweet

connecting the coronavirus
to a Wuhan laboratory.

In India, scientists
speculated that the virus

may be genetically engineered.

In China,
theories on social media

claimed that the U.S.
had manufactured the virus

as a weapon.

As the virus spread,
so did the finger-pointing.

Rush Limbaugh tells his
listeners that medical experts,

like Dr. Fauci,
are Clinton sympathizers

who want to get rid of Trump.

Representative Matt Gaetz
tweets out

a Washington Examiner
article amplifying

the Obama-Wuhan
connection story.

As the death toll rose
in the U.S.,

Donald Trump blamed China
and its people

while simultaneously
downplaying the coronavirus.

Even after scientists confirmed
that the virus was not man-made,

conspiracies continued
to expand exponentially.

- There we go.
- There you are.

I'm excited to meet you.

Excited to meet you.

My first movie stars
I've ever met.

- Yeah. We just hang out, man.
- Yeah?

So, I'm Jennifer. Did they
tell you anything about me?

You're a doctor or something,
right? - I'm joined

by Dr. Jennifer Nuzzo with the
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School.

Dr. Nuzzo, great to have
you back on the NewsHour.

When I think back to who
had it right, it's you.

You know,
this pandemic's been so hard,

but the best thing, for me,
has been to meet people

that I wouldn't otherwise
get to meet

- and to share what I know.
- Right.

And I think it's really
important for us to have

- conversations about
tough issues... - Yes.

and share information.

Okay, let me ask you this, then.

The reason being, is it because
the Chinese mutated it?

So, we have no evidence
that that happened.

In fact, um, virologists
who have looked very closely

at the genetic sequence
of the virus have concluded

that it was, very likely,
not engineered by a human.

That it most likely
originated from bats.

And whether it went directly
from bats to humans,

or if it went from bats
to another animal,

we don't, uh, fully know yet.

Well, the scientist that, uh...
the first lady that took

that out of the laboratory
died from it, so...

Yeah, so let's, let's talk
about that a little bit.

- Um...
- Okay.

Because I, I heard
those stories, too,

and there's actually no evidence
that that happened.

There was, I know,
one woman who, um,

published a story alleging
a number of things

that have since been debunked
by, by actual scientists.

Um, the thing
about these viruses,

these respiratory viruses,
they move fast,

and it's really hard
for any country to stop them

from spreading
outside of their borders.

That's just how these things
are, and I just really worry

when we start pointing fingers
in the absence of evidence.

Some important
developments

in our war against
the Chinese virus.

I have to call it where it came
from. It did come from China.

So I think it's
a very accurate term.

Kung flu.

I can name...

19 different versions of names.

The Chinese virus.

Why is
this a global competition to you

if every day Americans
are still losing their lives?

Well, they're losing their lives
everywhere in the world,

and maybe that's a question
you should ask China.

That China focus

really put blinders on us
and our response.

Such that the virus could be
coming in from other places,

and we wouldn't have been able
to detect it

and we weren't able to stop it.

And so, the huge surge
of cases in New York

wasn't due to an introduction
from China.

It was due to
an introduction from Europe.

Conspiracy theories can often
have real consequences.

When Europe was hit
by the Bubonic Plague--

was in 1348 or '49--

this is blamed on Jews
allegedly poisoning the wells,

and there were horrific scenes

where Jews were burned alive
in the town squares,

but that kind of conspiracist
belief has continued

to, to the present day,
as we can see.

It's impossible
to explain why on earth

the Chinese would want
to do this,

given the fact that it had
a serious impact on their,

on their own country,
but that's a kind of bogeyman

that emerges at the center
of conspiracy theories.

Soon as that spreads and reaches

people who are racially
prejudiced against Chinese,

you get physical attacks.

Asian Americans are
facing discrimination

not felt since the Japanese
American internment camps

during World War II.

Do you not think it would be
useful for, at this point,

for Donald Trump to say,
"You know what,

leave Asian Americans alone."

- Yes, I agree with that.
- That statement...

- Do you not think he should be
saying that? - Yes.

That statement could be said
very clearly by anybody.

Yep, I agree with that.

But by, by, by Donald Trump,
who called it the "China virus."

The problem is that all
political sides pretend opinions

are facts and then use it to
achieve their aim because they

can't be bothered to actually
argue the point properly.

I have no doubt that,
if there weren't

so much misinformation
out there, we could have saved

tens of thousands to hundreds
of thousands of lives.

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