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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,040 I can turn that down a little if you want. 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,960 Over the last 50 years, one black box has, probably more than anything 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,600 else, come to define the sound of rock - the Marshall amplifier. 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:24,240 It's been behind some of the biggest names in rock history, literally. 5 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:27,320 From the most humble beginnings, it caused nothing less than 6 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,960 a musical revolution - giving the guitar a new voice. 7 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,680 And behind it all lay a man the rock world is lining up to celebrate. 8 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,600 Known in the music business as the Father of Loud, 9 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,680 his name was Jim Marshall. 10 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,240 The brand he created is now virtually synonymous with 11 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,160 the sound of rock, and one of the most successful in musical history. 12 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,400 But Jim's long 13 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,760 and colourful life started a long way from stadium stages. 14 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,520 50 years ago, in a shop in West London, Jim spotted a new 15 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,280 trend in music that would, in time, take over the world. 16 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,240 And he capitalised on it, spectacularly. 17 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,160 In doing so, he helped create a sound that revolutionised 18 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:21,960 the electric guitar. 19 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:25,640 And a volume that meant guitarists could step out of the shadows 20 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,040 and take their place centre stage in the biggest venues. 21 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,440 It became the standard of rock'n'roll. 22 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,000 There is no amplifier that can touch it. 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,880 It was a fabulous sound and suddenly guitars were no longer polite. 24 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,280 When this thing came out, 25 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,000 there wasn't any limit to the volume you could get out of it. 26 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,720 It was like, if you didn't have a Marshall, you weren't cool. 27 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,240 Listen, I've always liked Marshall amps, so I used them, 28 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,800 and I've used them ever since. 29 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,160 # I can't explain... # 30 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,600 The wanted loud, they wanted distorted. 31 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,800 Marshall is a symbol of the rise of British rock. 32 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,560 That was what it was all about. Marshall stacks. 33 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,280 Though now a global enterprise, 34 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,560 the Marshall business started off as a cottage industry. 35 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,400 And the beginnings of the amp's history are still clearly 36 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,480 remembered in the modern business. 37 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,640 Phil Wells is head of Marshall's Heritage and Archive 38 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:41,160 and has worked here for over 35 years. 39 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,920 When I started all those years ago, Jim used to spend the morning 40 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:48,760 covering in the covering department and then the afternoon 41 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,360 he would do his normal business side of the company. 42 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,280 And he did that for probably for 18 months to two years 43 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:55,800 when I first started here. 44 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:02,360 The reason why our units are now signed was because of Jim, 45 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,600 mainly because when he was covering - 46 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,640 if one was badly covered, everybody else would blame Jim. 47 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:12,040 So he said, "From now on, everybody signs their unit 48 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,000 "then whoever has badly covered it, I won't get the blame." 49 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,560 There's always been something fundamental 50 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,040 about the Marshall sound. 51 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,920 And whatever amp there is, whether it's one of the small 52 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:26,080 practice amps, right through to the big valve stuff and the stacks, 53 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,400 you know, they all have something within them and that kind of stems 54 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,000 from the beginning where, back in the '60s, 55 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,520 when Jim started the company. 56 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,160 Jim...Jim is a great character. 57 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,400 He could roll up his sleeves, 58 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,520 he could go on to the bench and he could show the people what to do. 59 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,400 And he understood the works, the mechanics of the company. 60 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,280 To the point that he used to open the post. 61 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,480 It's a strange thing for the owner of a company to do, 62 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,680 to open the post, but by opening the post, you understand the ethos 63 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,520 and what's going on in the company just from that one small task. 64 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,680 And that was Jim, he did everything. 65 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,840 Jim, though, also enjoyed life at the top. 66 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,600 His success not only brought him fame, but also fortune. 67 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,640 Not to mention a deep respect from the industry that he loved. 68 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,560 His was an empire built on sheer hard work and grit. 69 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:30,720 Jim's single mindedness probably had its roots in his childhood. 70 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:38,280 As a young boy, he endured years in hospital, cocooned in plaster, 71 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:43,440 suffering from a terrible condition called tubercular bones. 72 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,640 Finally, aged 13, he was set free. 73 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,400 His father suggested that tap dancing might help build his bones. 74 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,400 It was a suggestion that would change his life. He found rhythm. 75 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,120 This was the era of the big band. 76 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,800 The glamour and energy of the sound drew him to the drums, 77 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,160 he was a natural. 78 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,800 Jim was a really good musician and he was a fine drummer 79 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,160 and he could also sing and do both at the same time. 80 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,200 And he was so good that a lot of students would ask him 81 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,560 if he could teach them to play the drums 82 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,680 because he was doing such a good job in the dance bands of the era. 83 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:33,120 In the late '40s, early '50s, I had a following of youngsters 84 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,800 everywhere I appeared and eventually I was being chased to teach. 85 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,280 Firstly, I thought I would not like teaching 86 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:48,360 and I kept saying, "No, I'm not interested in being a teacher." 87 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,200 But then I gave in to two pupils 88 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,360 and found that I liked teaching. 89 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:02,080 Young hopefuls would make their way to Jim's unimposing 90 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,560 semi in deepest West London. 91 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,840 I saw an advert for Jim Marshall drum tuition and he sat me 92 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:13,440 behind a drum kit and then said, "Right, go on, have a go." 93 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,840 My connection with Jim started, and John Entwistle's started, 94 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:24,960 very, very early. We were 12, 95 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,680 and we were in a jazz band. 96 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,040 We used to be called The Confederates. 97 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,960 And our drummer was Chris Sherwin. 98 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,240 Jim's teaching was phenomenal. 99 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,120 I thought he was wonderful as a teacher. 100 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,400 Every rehearsal, at the end, Chris would close by showing us 101 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,320 his latest drum lesson. 102 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,080 Chris used to go completely mad. 103 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,480 HE MIMICS DRUMMING 104 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,120 Now I didn't see that again until Keith Moon walked on the stage 105 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,160 but Chris was doing this, you know, when we were 12. 106 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,400 MUSIC: Take The A Train by Duke Ellington 107 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,840 Taking us to see bands, particularly the American bands, 108 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:07,800 was just phenomenal. 109 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,440 Buddy Rich, Count Basie, Duke Ellington. 110 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,520 I had massive respect for Jim 111 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,560 because he knew what was what at that time and I didn't. 112 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,200 At the most, I had 64 pupils in a week, 113 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,920 which meant that was 64 hours teaching a week. 114 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,720 With a considerable teaching income, 115 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,600 Jim was able to quit life on the road. 116 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,760 # The warden threw a party in the county jail... # 117 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,160 Jim's younger students began to talk about an exciting, 118 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,040 new, American music. 119 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,760 # You should've heard those knocked out jailbirds sing 120 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,280 # Let's rock 121 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,600 # Everybody, let's rock... # 122 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,440 The glimpses of rock'n'roll that we were getting at that moment 123 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:52,680 were so occasional that it needed a sort of home-grown movement. 124 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,800 # Mama don't allow no skiffle... # 125 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,000 Skiffle was incredibly important. 126 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,880 In one sense, it was almost the punk rock of its time. 127 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,440 It was basically - find a cheap guitar, 128 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:07,920 three chords and you were off. 129 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,760 # Mama don't allow no skiffle... # 130 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,520 You know the old tea chests with a stick, a broomstick on it 131 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,680 and a bit of string and that was our bass 132 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:22,120 and we bought a couple of acoustic guitars, no amps, and we were off. 133 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:28,280 Despite the austerity, you begin to sense, you know, 134 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,360 this new generation coming through. 135 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,040 Kids raced to form rock'n'roll bands 136 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,920 and their influences were all American. 137 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,640 After Lonnie Donegan and the skiffle craze, people that picked up 138 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,560 a guitar and stayed with it 139 00:08:43,560 --> 00:08:45,840 obviously ventured into rock'n'roll. 140 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,200 And the good thing about it was there were lots of places to play. 141 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:55,080 We used play down the 2i's, that's where Marty Wilde saw me. 142 00:08:55,080 --> 00:09:00,520 And Marty said, "You've got to have your hair dyed blonde." 143 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,960 So I thought about that for all of a second and a half. 144 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,440 But only the most well-heeled of Britain's rock'n'rollers 145 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:14,000 could afford the shiny guitars and amps of their American heroes. 146 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:19,280 Buddy Holly was playing a Fender Stratocaster in 1950. 147 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,560 About '57. 148 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:26,440 So we were all looking at that and, of course, wanted one. 149 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,520 We just wanted to be rock'n'roll stars, you know. 150 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,600 # It didn't take a lifetime... # 151 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,240 What we were really doing with our things was playing catch-up 152 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,280 with the Americans. And that included our instruments as well 153 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,560 because you couldn't get Gibson guitars or Fender guitars. 154 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:46,680 But amp-wise, it was a nightmare, really. 155 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:50,360 There were some people that made them, like Charlie Watkins 156 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,680 made amps, and some of the amps he made were really good. 157 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:56,760 GUITAR PLAYS 158 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,480 We wanted to hear the sound that was beginning to come from guitars. 159 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,160 They could hold a note on. 160 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,120 The Watkins Westminster was one of Britain's first guitar amps, 161 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,080 and Charlie had discovered a secret. 162 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,680 I thought, that's it, get rid of that bloody hi-fi. 163 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:19,080 We don't want hi-fi, we want distortion. 164 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,840 # What have I done to make you blue? I'll be... # 165 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,520 As British rock'n'roll gathered momentum, 166 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,840 their amplification was lagging far behind. 167 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,440 There was nothing above sort of ten watts 168 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,640 because they were all little, tiny... 169 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,960 they were make-do amplifiers. 170 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,960 They weren't proper guitar amps. 171 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,960 I actually did a gig at a wedding where I plugged 172 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,240 into a Dansette record player, undid the wires from the pick-up. 173 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,240 That was the sort of things we were up to. 174 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:52,000 Yeah, I mean this, you can get a sound out of it fine, 175 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,200 but take it to a hall and see what it sounds like, you know. 176 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:00,120 What can you do with a soppy little ten-inch speaker, I ask you? 177 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,720 You can't do anything with it. 178 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,480 We did the best with what we had at hand. 179 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:11,520 The kind of amplifiers that we were using, that everybody started using, 180 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,000 everybody, including the Beatles, 181 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,360 were the amplifiers used by the Shadows. 182 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,480 By the late '50s, the famous Vox amplifier had arrived. 183 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,240 In those days, the Vox amp really was the king amp. 184 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,160 That was the amp. That's the only one you could hear 185 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,880 because all these other little ones, you just couldn't hear 'em. 186 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,320 Well, Vox were the first of the great British amplifier 187 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,160 manufacturers and their pride and joy was the, 188 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,160 still legendary to this day, Vox AC30. 189 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:52,880 I managed to acquire myself a Vox AC15 then, which was amazing. 190 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,600 And they all had AC30s so I really did feel like the new boy, you know. 191 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,920 You know, that was the sound from the '50s, the twang of guitars, 192 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,760 The Shadows, the first records I bought. 193 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,640 Wonderful though they were, 194 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,520 I always had a feeling that there 195 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,640 was a beast that was waiting to be unleashed. 196 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,400 MUSIC: Boom Boom by John Lee Hooker 197 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:26,440 The guy that blew me away when I first heard him was John Lee Hooker. 198 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,240 # Gonna shoot you right down... # 199 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,280 And I got one of his very early albums 200 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,680 and there was a track on there called The Devil's Jump. 201 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:38,320 We've got The Devil's Jump, man. 202 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,720 He had this idea to put the microphone inside the guitar, 203 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,480 restring the guitar, then do the song that way, 204 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,440 singing into the guitar. 205 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:48,880 # The Devil's Jump 206 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,280 # I Got the... # 207 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,640 And it was this incredible distorted noise. 208 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,080 This is like 1949, 209 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:59,920 so, you know, 210 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:02,800 we can't claim to have invented distortion. 211 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,880 The thing the guitarist wants is something else. 212 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:12,200 You know, he really doesn't want the cleanest guitar sound 213 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,160 in the world or we'd all would sound like the soundtrack to Bonanza. 214 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,120 Edgier guitar tones began to interest the eccentric 215 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,840 British music producer, Joe Meek. 216 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:30,200 I think Joe Meek was the first to explore that distorted, 217 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,640 heavier, trebly guitar sound. 218 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,840 Drummer Mick Underwood was summoned to Meek's strange little 219 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,800 studio in the Holloway Road. 220 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,200 It's a bit over the top. It went a bit weird. 221 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,120 Joe, Joe Meek says, "Come up and see us." 222 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,600 He said, "The Outlaws need a drummer." 223 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,240 So I went there and had a jam with them 224 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,800 and they said, "The thing is, we do need a guitarist." 225 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,120 And I said, "I think I know the man." 226 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,440 17-year-old Ritchie Blackmore joined the Outlaws 227 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,720 and the Meek sound turned wild. 228 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,320 John Peel later called Shake With Me the first heavy metal record. 229 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,880 Rhythm and blues became the sound of the moment 230 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,440 and there was only one way music was heading. 231 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,960 An arms race began to develop. 232 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,880 Could the guitar player be able to make more noise than 233 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,840 A - the drummer, and B - the audience. 234 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,840 Everybody wanted to be loud and louder, everybody. 235 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,000 What did we want to be as loud as? 236 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,000 We wanted to be as loud as the drums. 237 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,320 Back at the drum studio, Jim's pupils were constantly pressing him 238 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,760 for help in buying their first drum kit. 239 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,120 I used to take all of the pupils to a shop called 240 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,200 Lou Davis in Charing Cross Road, London. 241 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,920 One day the manager said to me, 242 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:04,200 "Well you're a damn fool, why don't you open your own drum store?" 243 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:09,480 Jim's first shop opened in Hanwell, West London, in July 1960. 244 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,280 And his teenage son, Terry, made it a family business. 245 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,960 So we opened it as a music shop but it had a concentration of drums 246 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,360 and the guitar side was very minimal. 247 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,440 Well, having taught so many of the top drummers, 248 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,880 they brought their groups in with them. I'd known Pete Townshend 249 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,320 for many years, because I used to play with Pete's father. 250 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,880 And all of the drummers would come by and say, 251 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,760 "Why you don't stock guitars? 252 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,800 "Because every drummer needs a guitar player and other musicians 253 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,920 "to go along with." And so he started to stock guitars. 254 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:47,200 There'd be a few bashed up drum kits in there and a few mediocre guitars. 255 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:52,160 But if you wanted to hear what was going on in the business, 256 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,120 you went to Marshall's. 257 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,880 Oh, Jim was a lovely person. He was a very happy-go-lucky sort of guy 258 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,840 and he let us guys go in to his shop 259 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,480 and sit around and play anything on the wall. 260 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,680 He didn't worry that you weren't buying anything. 261 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,280 We just used to hang out there and it was like 262 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:15,040 a Labour Exchange for up-and-coming rock musicians, you know. 263 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,480 For me, when I think about Jim's shop, it was a meeting place, 264 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:23,040 a place to go with ideas, where you know you would get listened to. 265 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,080 And some of my ideas, the guys in my band wouldn't listen to them. 266 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,680 There were sorts of musicians went to Jim's shop, from every aspect, 267 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,760 rock'n'roll, jazz, you name it, 268 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,920 and it was a great learning curve for everybody. 269 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,520 Good for everyone, that. 270 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,120 Then you had Ted's cafe a couple of doors away. 271 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,120 # 40 cups of coffee... # 272 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,960 Or if you wanted something a bit more refined, you'd cross 273 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:58,520 the road to the Rendezvous. And it was just a whole social scene. 274 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:01,680 We were unique really 275 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:07,840 because he had such a vision about customer service. 276 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,640 The shop just exploded 277 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,920 and we were in the right place at the right time. 278 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,040 And while we were in there we used to say, 279 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,880 "Do you know, we couldn't half do with amplifiers. 280 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,360 "You don't do amplifiers, do you?" 281 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,720 One of Jim's regular customers was band manager 282 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,960 and electronic experimenter Ken Bran. 283 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,160 # And go like this... # 284 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:35,280 He knew that I was interested in building amplifiers, 285 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,280 the sound of amplifiers. 286 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,400 Ken began working for Jim. 287 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,720 This was a partnership that would last the next 40 years. 288 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,000 He always had this brown coat on, you know, 289 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,760 like Ronnie Barker in the shop. 290 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,600 All the kids wanted a lot more power 291 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,760 and the only amp that was really around was the Fender Bassman. 292 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,360 HE PLAYS GUITAR RIFF 293 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:11,280 The Bassman was designed for bass guitar really, 294 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:16,080 but the guitarists found that it gave a real crisp live sound. 295 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,320 The Fender amps were fine sounding amplifiers but they tended to, 296 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,480 they didn't... A - they didn't distort, 297 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,440 they had a very clean kind of surf music sound. 298 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,200 One of the guys who worked in the store had one 299 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,640 and he brought it in for Ken to have a look at. 300 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,800 We had a really good look at it to see what made it tick. 301 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,280 Ken discovered the Bassman used a standard circuit design that 302 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,520 was widely used and without any patent restrictions. 303 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,880 Jim seized the opportunity. 304 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,480 He decided there and then 305 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,920 that he was going to build a rock'n'roll amplifier. 306 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,840 I said, "Well, if you're capable, Ken, let's have a go at it." 307 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,680 With no access to American components, Ken was forced to 308 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,640 trawl London's army surplus shops for parts. 309 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,480 A crucial element of the Marshall sound came about 310 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,800 because they couldn't get the same valves that Fender had been using, 311 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,360 so they found another one that did sort of the same job. 312 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:25,560 The sound that it produced wasn't like a Fender amp, 313 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,480 but on its own terms, it worked brilliantly. 314 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,440 The first amplifier was taking shape. But Ken needed help. 315 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,360 I was a repairman, but we needed a designer, 316 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:42,560 and Jim got hold of this young whiz kid called Dudley Craven. 317 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,640 The 19-year-old Dudley Craven was lured from an apprenticeship 318 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,320 at EMI on the promise of big money. 319 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,040 We then took it out the basic chassis, brought 320 00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:00,400 in Pete Townshend and a couple of other guys and said, "Crank it up." 321 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,520 When I first heard Jim's amplifier, 322 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,120 I felt it was almost loud enough 323 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:12,680 but it didn't have the zing of a Fender amp 324 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,600 so I kind of chucked it back at him. 325 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,440 We put it in the shop and let the guitarists play with it 326 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,000 and we would know whether we were getting near the sound or not. 327 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,320 And Pete would say, "I need more growl in this." 328 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,480 I wanted distortion that was happening in the amplifier, 329 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,760 not in the speaker, but in the amplifier. 330 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,160 Eventually, he came up with a sound and I said, "Ah, that's the sort of 331 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,080 "sound the boys have been talking to me about in the shop." 332 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,360 GUITAR PLAYS RIFF 333 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:50,560 And that's how the Marshall sound was born. 334 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,640 That was it. Pete said, "I want it." 335 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,640 It wasn't just a loud amplifier, 336 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,800 it was an amplifier that would fold in distortion. 337 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,160 BLUES MUSIC PLAYS 338 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,680 Electronic engineers always want to get rid of distortion, 339 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,680 but we knew that that was the sound we wanted. 340 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,440 Ken Bran was willing to make what every other amplifier 341 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,800 maker in the world would have called a bad amplifier. 342 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,800 Well, what it says is that Jim, Ken and Dudley Craven, 343 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,000 when they put the unit together, designed it and built it, 344 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,440 they got it right first time. 345 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,320 Number One has survived 346 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,000 and is now one of the most revered relics of rock. 347 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,200 We've had a couple of blank cheque offers. 348 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,640 We've had a couple of really silly offers for it, 349 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,680 but it's the beginning of Marshall. 350 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,200 Jim and Ken were now ready to unveil their creation. 351 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,800 On the first Saturday, when we put the chassis in the shop, 352 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:05,240 I think we sold 25 units the first day. 353 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,520 While the inspiration was very clearly from Fender, what 354 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,680 ended up coming out of the shop at that point, one way or another - 355 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,160 by design, by accident, through necessity or what have you - 356 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,200 ended up being quite different. 357 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,160 All of a sudden, there is this monster 50-watt amp 358 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,920 with four speakers. Even eclipsed the Fenders. 359 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,200 Christened the JTM 45 after Jim and Terry Marshall, 360 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,880 it was the loudest guitar amplifier in the world. 361 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,280 Jim was selling these amps like hot cakes 362 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,600 and I was the only one there to build them. 363 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,280 With little room in Ken's workshop, Dudley started a production line 364 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,520 with his old school friend, Ken Flegg. 365 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,320 And a cottage industry began. 366 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,080 Well, in actual fact, I made them in my bedroom, the ones that I did. 367 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,840 He had a very small shed that he used to do his part of the work with. 368 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,480 We had only just started at technical college, so 369 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,320 our knowledge was extremely limited and we used to wing most of it. 370 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,720 As the business exploded, Jim took production to their first factory. 371 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,280 Even with more staff, it was now all hands on deck. 372 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:16,880 My father used to do covering 373 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,640 and my mum was gluing up for my dad to do covering. 374 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,800 There was a good team spirit 375 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,880 and a willingness to make the product work. 376 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,120 They would make these through the week, sell them on a Friday 377 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:32,840 and Saturday and then the money they made from that, they'd make 378 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,480 the ones for the next week. So it was hand to mouth, if you like. 379 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,640 We needed cash flow, the retail shop supported quite often 380 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,240 the factory in the early days. 381 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,960 Ken struggled to source parts 382 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,880 and build the amps fast enough as the sales began to clock up. 383 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:53,240 Well the best way to market any piece of musical equipment is 384 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:59,320 to have it used by people who sound great and also to have a 385 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:04,920 bloody huge logo on the front of it, so, you know, even at the back 386 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,320 of the room, people can see what these guys are sounding great with. 387 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,160 Jim said, "We're going to be producing amps from now on. 388 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,640 "Good amplifiers, do you want to have a go?" 389 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,480 The Tremeloes gave up their Fenders and moved to Marshall. 390 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,080 Soon to be followed by the Nashville Teens 391 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,880 and top American star Roy Orbison. 392 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,560 It was the amplifier that sold it. 393 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,240 How it was put together 394 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,760 and what it sounded like that sold the amplifier. 395 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,520 It was only very quickly that Jim's name, Marshall, 396 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,040 became synonymous with that style of music. 397 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,480 GUITAR PLAYS ROCK MUSIC 398 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,840 When this thing came out, 399 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,120 there wasn't any limit to the volume you could get out of them. 400 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:52,400 # Can't explain 401 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,240 # I think it's love... # 402 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,720 Pete Townshend and John Entwistle were the first to really 403 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,800 explore the new amp's limits. 404 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,560 It made instruments capable of all different kinds of timbres 405 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,920 and harmonics and, you know, it made it possible for me 406 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,320 to make more than music. 407 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,520 West London became the improbable focus of a music scene that 408 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,720 produced dozens of new bands. 409 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,440 # 600... # 410 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,360 All the new guitar talent could be found jamming with 411 00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:27,080 Alexis Korner at the Ealing Blues Club. 412 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,240 They were playing, particularly the Stones, through Alexis, 413 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,200 had this grungy sort of blues sound to them. 414 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,360 The West London scene stretched from Shepherd's Bush Hammersmith 415 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:43,360 all the way to Uxbridge. 416 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:46,640 So you could walk from Cyril Davis to Cliff Bennett 417 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,200 and on the way, you'd get lots of action. 418 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,200 # I was alone, I took a ride... # 419 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,720 We all congregated around that West London area. Jim was right there. 420 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,880 Jim Marshall saw all of this, like Alexis did, 421 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,840 and like other people who were just maybe a little bit older than this 422 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,400 generation and therefore could act as father figures to these new kids 423 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,880 who were coming through. 424 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,560 We had all the local musicians who were potentially 425 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,200 the stars of the future. 426 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,920 You know, Pete Townshend, Ritchie Blackmore, Eric Clapton, 427 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,040 they were all our customers. 428 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,560 And it was no surprise that Eric should find 429 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,960 himself at the Hanwell shop. 430 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,200 During his first stint with John Mayall, 431 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,880 he was playing the JTM 45 half-stack with the 4x12 cabinet. 432 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,600 And then during his second stint with John Mayall, 433 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,000 which is notably when the album, the Beano album was recorded, 434 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,360 he was using a 2x12 45-watt combo. 435 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,000 You know, he'd been using that set up at gigs. 436 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,200 He had the amp all the way up, he loved the sound it was making 437 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,520 and when it was time to record, 438 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,920 that was the sound he wanted on the record. 439 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,680 It was unbelievably loud and the engineers were absolutely 440 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,440 freaking out going, "Oh, no, all our needles are all going 441 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,080 "into the red." You know. 442 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,640 "Tell the young beast to turn it down." And he wouldn't. 443 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,440 And the sound was born that people are still aspiring to, 444 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,120 listening to and are trying to recreate today. 445 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,760 But the business was still relying on Jim's shop 446 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,800 and word of mouth for new sales. 447 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,400 The time had come to move up a gear. 448 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,120 In 1964, Jim signed a distribution agreement with Rose Morris. 449 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:35,600 It was worldwide agreement for them to distribute their products. 450 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,440 What Rose Morris did for Marshall was take it from 451 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:45,040 relative obscurity to make it a worldwide, well-known brand. 452 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,040 The deal put the amps into music shops across the world 453 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,600 and with that, came an iconic new logo. 454 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,400 As soon as they got the white scrolly lettering, 455 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,400 the amps pretty much sold themselves. 456 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,800 With Rose Morris, whatever we supplied one week, 457 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,400 we were paid the following week. 458 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,680 And they gave us an order book that kept us going every single month. 459 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,160 But as gigs got bigger, 460 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,320 The Who's guitarist discovered that 50 watts was no longer loud enough. 461 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,640 I seem to remember once saying to Jim, like, almost pinning him 462 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,920 up against the wall and saying, "Jim, I need bigger weapons." 463 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,640 The challenge was on and Ken found a way to create the world's 464 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,280 first 100-watt amp. 465 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,200 He went back in and he fiddled about and a couple of days later, 466 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,160 he came back and instead of two power tubes, we had four. 467 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,840 # I can go anywhere... # 468 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,200 I said, "What I've decided to do is use one 4x12 at the bottom and then 469 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,120 "I'm going to put another one on top so it's level with the guitar." 470 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,960 And he said, "Oh, no, Pete, that'll fall down, it'll hurt somebody. 471 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,160 "They are not meant to be stacked." 472 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,440 Anyway, that's exactly what happened. I banged it with my guitar 473 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,040 and down it went. 474 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,000 But it kept going. 475 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,440 The Marshall stack was born. 476 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,160 The Who arrived with chaos. 477 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,240 # People try to put us d-down 478 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,160 # Talkin' 'bout my generation... # 479 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,400 They wanted loud, they wanted distorted. 480 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,640 # Talkin' 'bout my generation... # 481 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,080 And at the first gig I'd just started up with Heatwave 482 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,480 and I was in a state of shock. 483 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,320 # Talkin' 'bout my generation 484 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,240 # I hope I die before I get old... # 485 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,240 I'd never heard anything so exciting, 486 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,840 so loud and energetic ever. 487 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,800 We wanted to blow their minds, go blahh. 488 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,720 Turn up the amplifiers so that they couldn't hear themselves think. 489 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,600 - # ..dig what we all s-say - Talkin' 'bout my generation... # 490 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,240 You know I was just a punk kid, art student, you know. 491 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,520 I didn't give a shit for anybody, you know. 492 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,480 I'd just had my thesis which was, you know, to make this band 493 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,440 and blow it up in a cloud of smoke. 494 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,280 LOUD FEEDBACK 495 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,560 In those days, you can't imagine the fact those guys were 496 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:56,200 buying in excess of a A?1,000 worth of equipment a month. 497 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,480 Everything was hire purchase in those days. 498 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,080 Which is one of the reasons I was able to smash a few 499 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,280 guitars in close succession cos he allowed me to buy them on tick. 500 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,920 I can remember once not having a guitar for a gig and I ran into 501 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,160 the store and grabbed this guitar and went, "OK, if I pay you later?" 502 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,040 Just with my fingers crossed. And he went, "Yeah, go on, go on." 503 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,880 So between Jim Marshall and The Who, they were building a foundation 504 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,600 for what rock would look and sound like for the years to come. 505 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,960 That sound just - that started it all off. 506 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,600 I remember going to see the Small Faces 507 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,360 and when they came on and played, they blew the place apart. 508 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,240 I mean, it just changed everything. 509 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,440 When I saw Peter Green and then Eric Clapton playing 510 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,800 with them it was like, "Oh, hang on, this is big league, 511 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,480 "this is everything, and everybody's going for these now." 512 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,160 It was a statement about power. 513 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,680 Remember also, we're entering the psychedelic era now 514 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:09,280 and people wanted to be literally blown away with volume. 515 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,840 Cream, Britain's first super group, used a wall of stacks. 516 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,600 What seemed to matter now, was power and image. 517 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,760 That was how it was in those days, you know. 518 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,160 If you wanted to be louder, 519 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,000 it wasn't the PA that did it, it was the amount of physical hardware. 520 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,680 There's no doubt there is an iconic look to seeing 521 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,640 a stack of Marshall speakers. 522 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,480 It's almost the look of rock'n'roll. 523 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,520 It's incredible actually. 524 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,040 No sooner had Cream reached their peak, 525 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,920 than a musical earthquake hit Britain. 526 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,640 You know, there was a sort of hierarchy of London guitar players. 527 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,720 When Hendrix arrived, it was like, "OK, everybody budge up one." 528 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,000 MUSIC: Voodoo Chile by Jimi Hendrix 529 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,200 I think Jimi came along at the right time, 530 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,840 as far as the Marshall amplifier was concerned. 531 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,880 Jimi not only appreciated the fact that 532 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,400 I made the amplifier with the sound that he wanted, but also his 533 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,560 name was James Marshall Hendrix and he got a kick out of that as well. 534 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,320 It was a fabulous screaming sound 535 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,880 and you got the sense of the guy playing through feedback. 536 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,840 # I'm a voodoo chile... # 537 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,000 And again, Marshall was at the centre. 538 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,280 # I'm a voodoo chile, babe... # 539 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,120 Immediately, he started playing guitar in Britain, all these 540 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,640 great guitarists, the Eric Claptons, and Peter Greens, 541 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,800 and Pete Townshends and Keith Richards and all just went, "Wow!" 542 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,560 You know, Clapton was God, but Jimi killed God, man. 543 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,480 The Marshall name was like Jimi Hendrix, 544 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,480 Clapton in Cream, The Who, Marshall. 545 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,280 And we all had stacks. 546 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,240 HE LAUGHS 547 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,400 Britain was in the grips of a deep counter culture. 548 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,640 The message was turn on, tune in and drop out. 549 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,760 MUSIC: Valley Of Neptune by Jimi Hendrix 550 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,520 It was also a time of change for the sleepy hamlet of Milton Keynes, 551 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,320 near Bletchley, 50 miles north of London. 552 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,560 With growing international sales, the company had 553 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,560 outgrown their tiny West London factory. 554 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,160 The new town was offering generous relocation grants 555 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,680 and Jim put the idea to the workforce. 556 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,960 We went to lots of discussions on different places and things 557 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,520 we were going to do, but it opened up that Bletchley was offering 558 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,480 factories, accommodation for workers, and it looked quite promising. 559 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,640 Jim led the way north. 560 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,680 The first few weeks, I know they were all sleeping in the factory. 561 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,240 Virtually all of his staff then followed. 562 00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:23,120 As rock developed, the super group began harnessing 563 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,320 the power of the pounding guitar riff. 564 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,320 Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin was the absolute master. 565 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,560 Again, it's impossible to overstate how big Led Zeppelin were. 566 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,200 They were absolutely massive. 567 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,840 They were the Beatles of the '70s in terms of popularity levels. 568 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,520 And, you know, I travelled with Robert quite a lot during that time. 569 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:56,000 And one of the challenges was to figure out how to fill 570 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,360 an entire stadium with that sound. 571 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,640 I think that the change came in that later part of the '60s 572 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,960 when somebody developed proper public address systems that 573 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,800 were designed for music, not saying, "Would the owner of vehicle..." 574 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,400 Because you could now have amps that were as loud as hell. 575 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,080 The Marshall amp as a back-line, well, there's nothing better. 576 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,960 It was like opening the doors and there we are, we are away now. 577 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,920 It was just exactly like it was supposed to sound. 578 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,800 All the other amps, you had to like twiddle, whereas with 579 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,720 a Marshall, you just plug it in and it's like, like it's supposed to be. 580 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,960 The spectacle of Paul Kossoff with his legs apart, with his head back, 581 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,520 like a lion, roaring, wailing on his Les Paul, 582 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:53,000 it was like a spectacle of biblical proportions to someone at 583 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,600 15, 16 years old. 584 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,080 Everything was ten for Paul, 585 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,960 if 11 had been available by then, he would have done it been there. 586 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,560 No, all the knobs went to the right 587 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,080 and he would stand as close or as far away as he wanted to 588 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,120 for the feedback and just play. 589 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,840 It's kind of nice because I was there at the start of it all 590 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,600 with Purple and, you know, it was the Marshall and 591 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,200 this bass in particular that was the sound of our first hit, Hush. 592 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,560 It sort of went... 593 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,560 PLAYS OPENING RIFF OF HUSH 594 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,240 MUSIC: Hush by Deep Purple 595 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,120 You know, my 50-watt Marshall and Ritchie Blackmore's 30-watt Vox 596 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,840 wasn't going to be what we needed, so I suggested that we 597 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,920 go and see Jim down at the factory and we bought stacks for ourselves 598 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,720 and started to build our reputation as the loudest band in the world. 599 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,120 Deep Purple stretched the amp's power to the limits. 600 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,160 You look back now and forget how big Deep Purple were. 601 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,760 They were the equivalent of Black Sabbath, and certainly no 602 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,880 question about it, but what Purple had was almost the dual guitar 603 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,280 situation because of the way that Lord and Blackmore interplayed - 604 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,000 they competed at times, but they also complemented at others. 605 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,360 MUSIC: Smoke On The Water by Deep Purple 606 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,320 There's no doubt that without Marshall, there wouldn't have 607 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,760 been the sound that Lord and Blackmore were able to create. 608 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:31,040 And it was Blackmore's virtuosity and Lord's classical leanings 609 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,800 towards filling in the gaps that Blackmore didn't 610 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,120 that made Purple sound so magnificent, so epic. 611 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:42,960 I am still using, right through this period, the direct-injection 612 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,000 Hammond organ, not going through the Leslie speakers but going 613 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,240 direct from the organ amplifier out into a Marshall 200 watt. 614 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,560 I could get that really hard, 615 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,240 raw organ sound to compete with Ritchie. 616 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:59,560 That's the beauty of what Deep Purple had, there was a warmth 617 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,480 to Richard Blackmore and Jon Lord in the way they competed and 618 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,640 combined and a lot of that was down to the way they used 619 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:07,800 the Marshall amps. 620 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,880 MUSIC: Smoke On The Water by Deep Purple 621 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,600 What Marshall gave you was that feeling of, you've got four horses 622 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,400 in front of you and you're driving them as hard as you can. 623 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,800 We were very, very stoned. 624 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,680 HE LAUGHS 625 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,280 Yeah, and we were... 626 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,880 We had this 6ft 2in woman with 52 inch tits, 627 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,720 painted blue, and dancing on stage every night. 628 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:51,480 I suppose you could say it was pretty loose. 629 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,520 She didn't have an amplifier at all. 630 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,680 # I, I just took a ride... # 631 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,960 I'd only been with them four months, I think, and none of the others 632 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,840 could sing it and I could. So I sang it and it went to Number One. 633 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,320 On the front of the NME, 634 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,320 I had a picture of just me and it said, "Hawkwind at Number One." 635 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,400 It was great. 636 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,000 It's a very loud kind of music. 637 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,160 What has it done to your ears for instance? 638 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,280 Eh? 639 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,640 MUSIC: Ballroom Blitz by The Sweet 640 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,560 Guitar sounds, because they were so thick and big, 641 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,520 you didn't need much more on the recording. 642 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,760 You didn't need to now start putting handclaps and tambourines 643 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,760 and things in there because the space wasn't there. 644 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,160 The drum sound was a powerhouse, the guitar was a powerhouse 645 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,360 and the bottom end of the bass. 646 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,760 What else did you need? You didn't need anything else. 647 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,320 # And the girl in the corner said "Boy, I wanna warn you" And it turned into a ballroom blitz 648 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,720 # Ballroom blitz... # 649 00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:52,800 The actual sheer weight of air movement that made your 650 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,080 trousers flap. 651 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,720 You know, of everything happening on stage was just incredible. 652 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:05,560 The way the Marshall amp sounds gives a unique opportunity to 653 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,000 musicians to play their instruments in the way 654 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,760 they want to, knowing it will actually be projected to everybody. 655 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,480 A pop group in full voice, as it were, can produce just about the 656 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,880 same amount of noise as a 707 657 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,760 thundering a few hundred feet overhead. 658 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,520 And that's what it was all about then. 659 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,560 We're a rock band - it's got to be loud, you know. 660 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,840 And Slade were louder than us. 661 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,520 Oh, really? OK, well, we'll turn it up then. 662 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,800 # Here we are Oh, here we are 663 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,040 # Oh here we go... # 664 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,080 You know, we used to tear audiences' heads off. 665 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,760 We had about 34 cabinets on stage 666 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,000 and we used to call it the Wall of Death. 667 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,360 And at our height, I mean, they were somewhere up there 668 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,600 and you had to sort of reach up to try and adjust your volume. 669 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,800 Not that it needed a lot of adjusting because it was flat out. 670 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,240 MUSIC: Dancing with the Moonlit Knight by Genesis 671 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,440 Les Paul, Marshall stack everything I wanted to do, everything 672 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,120 I wanted to be... 673 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,560 there it was. 674 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,360 These days, we talk about you know searching for the upper harmonic 675 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,280 and all that, but in those days, 676 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,320 we would just go, "My God, it's so alive, it's screaming." 677 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,400 And I think guitarists are always looking for the slightly 678 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,000 out of control thing. 679 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,120 But just as progressive rock had reached its peak, 680 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,160 music received a sudden and dramatic wake up call. 681 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,600 Everything had arrived at the stage where it all needed a huge, 682 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,600 great kick and of course punk arrived kind of in the nick of time. 683 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,920 # I am an antichrist... # 684 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,280 The punk revolution unleashed a torrent of new talent. 685 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,560 # Don't know what I want But I know how to get it... # 686 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,400 Gritty guitars and the three-minute pop song were back with attitude. 687 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,680 # Cos I want to be... # 688 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,920 And it inspired more than just the anarchists. 689 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,760 # ..anarchy... # 690 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,240 I think Never Mind The Bollocks was more of an early heavy metal 691 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:18,320 album than punk, to be honest. 692 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,920 The minute you saw Steve Jones on the TV, 693 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,840 I thought, "Oh, I see, right." 694 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,600 You don't have to be Ritchie Blackmore then, it is 695 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,160 possible to write three chords and get yourself up on stage. 696 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,760 Diamond Head were one of the first of the 697 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,640 new wave of British heavy metal. 698 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,560 Punk and heavy metal were remarkably connected. 699 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:49,480 What happened around about 1978 was it all started to coalesce. 700 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,520 The media started to pick up on, hang on, the most exciting young 701 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,440 bands around the country, be they from Sheffield, Newcastle, 702 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,080 London, Manchester, Birmingham or Glasgow, happened to all 703 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,840 fit into this funny little thing called hard or heavy rock, and 704 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,240 the term new wave of British heavy metal, which just trips off 705 00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:09,920 the tongue now, sounds so ridiculous and so very complicated. 706 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,320 But it summed it up because 707 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,920 it was a young feeling in the country for metal. 708 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,080 I think it was just a natural progression where we came out 709 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,360 with all the energy, going at it hammer and tongues, you know 710 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,440 arms flailing, ripping. 711 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,520 # Wheels of steel... # 712 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,720 I can still remember this kid at the front shouting, 713 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:29,720 "It's great! It's just like punk. I love it" 714 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,560 Iron Maiden, Def Leppard, Saxon, just to use as examples, 715 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,080 would look at that. What do I hear them play? Ah, they use Marshalls, 716 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,160 which were identifiable and instantly recognisable 717 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,760 and gave the sound and the warmth they wanted. 718 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,000 They started to use Marshalls because it was the obvious amp 719 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,000 to use, nothing else came close. 720 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,680 Once AC/DC hit on their sound and their rhythm, 721 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,840 there was nothing to add and nothing to take away. 722 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,800 It was just perfect, and it still is. 723 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,120 There's nothing that you need to do to it. 724 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,960 Powering rock perfection may be one thing, but new challenges lay ahead. 725 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,400 A seismic shift was beginning in the music younger audiences wanted. 726 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,680 MUSIC: D.I.S.C.O. by Ottowan 727 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,520 Disco was a threat to all live music, 728 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,240 and that included the market for amps. 729 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,520 Even though, in those days, disco records were still being 730 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,760 made in the studios by musicians, it wasn't about the big live 731 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,480 performance and therefore they didn't require the huge amps 732 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,240 that, in the days before PA systems seriously got sorted out, 733 00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:52,400 were necessary to fill the bigger and bigger rooms. 734 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,320 All rock bands recorded albums because they wanted to tour. 735 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,080 They wanted to be seen, and that's where the expression 736 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,760 comes across, and disco undermined it or tried to undermine it 737 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:09,240 by making records more important but much more transient as well. 738 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:12,240 And people used to say to me, 739 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:16,520 "Well, the Marshall is very good once you can afford it." 740 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:21,480 They were starting to get cheeky little oiks on their home turf 741 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,440 like Orange, Sound City and Hiwatt. 742 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,560 And they were building Marshall-style amplifiers, 743 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,000 some of them were undercutting Marshall in terms of price. 744 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,400 Some of them, like Orange and Hiwatt, had quite distinctive sounds 745 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,320 of their own, so they weren't precisely just copying. 746 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,600 Marshall's dominance was collapsing and sales plummeted. 747 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,520 In 1981, we were down to 17 people on the clock. 748 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,560 To survive, they desperately needed a new flagship amp. 749 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,760 But the dilemma was whether to switch to cheaper transistor 750 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,800 technology or to stick with their valve heritage. 751 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,720 I think there will always be guitarists that will want to 752 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:11,080 play valve amplifiers, whether it's because they think it sounds 753 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,840 better or because there's a certain nostalgia. 754 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,520 The more you progress as a musician, you're only really after one 755 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,360 particular sound that becomes your own. 756 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,240 And that's the valve-type sound. 757 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:26,040 They take a signal, they add a bunch of noise, 758 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,760 distort the crap out of it. 759 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,120 What goes in is not what comes out, bigger. It completely mashes it, 760 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,280 but in a glorious musical way that has a third dimension. 761 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,880 It rounds off the edge. It sounds peculiar, but you get a cleaner 762 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,880 distortion, you get less harshness than you would out of a digital amp. 763 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,960 Beethoven, Mozart, the great composers, 764 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,320 use symphonies to get across their thoughts and ideas. 765 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,400 If they had a Marshall amp, you don't think Beethoven would have 766 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,680 been plugging in and blasting away, or Mozart? 767 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,200 Of course they would've done. 768 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,640 The decision was made. 769 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,800 The new JCM800 kept the valve technology 770 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,480 so crucial to the distinctive Marshall sound. 771 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,760 At its launch in 1980, everything rested on its success. 772 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:18,920 They were lucky. 773 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,480 British heavy metal hit the big time, and Marshall with it. 774 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,080 The stack was back as the ultimate symbol of rock power. 775 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,640 If you went to a show and you saw a wall of Marshalls, 776 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,240 you knew exactly what to expect. 777 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,960 The gamble with valves had paid off. 778 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,560 By the mid '80s, the company was totally resurgent. 779 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,720 MUSIC: Hungry Years by Saxon 780 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,440 Sold out gigs, wall of Marshalls, 781 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:52,240 wailing guitar, singing crowd, all in uniform - fantastic. 782 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,120 It was the best feeling in the world. 783 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,600 And we did have our own dress code. It went a little bit wrong 784 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,120 later on cos I think America went a little bit Motley Crue. 785 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,720 But it became very popular, so you were kind of tugged 786 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:09,280 between pretty boys and being nasty like Motorhead, you know. 787 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,400 I remember he sent me some JCM800's and I sent them back to him. 788 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,960 I didn't like them, they were too quiet, you know. 789 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,560 Nah, I just turned it up 790 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,640 and hit the thing very hard, you know, that's...the secret. 791 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,280 Shows got ridiculously big 792 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,760 because the money was there, 793 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,760 and, if you've got a 20,000-capacity arena, 794 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,280 it's a little different to having a 20-capacity park. 795 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,960 You have to project and have something 796 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,600 that people to latch onto, so they did become 797 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,800 so over the top and so ridiculous and also gave the opportunity 798 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,760 to the lampoonists to come along 799 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,280 and say, "Oh, look at that. We have an idea. 800 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,160 "We can actually take the piss out of all those bands 801 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,840 "who do huge stage sets." 802 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,480 This is the loudest... 803 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,920 Rock'n'roll! Rock'n'roll! 804 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,800 ..most explosive band in heavy metal history. 805 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,360 This is Spinal Tap. 806 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,920 I think the film Spinal Tap 807 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,240 probably had a lot to do with a resurgence of the use of Marshall. 808 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:31,000 - If you can see... - Yeah. - ..the numbers all go to 11. 809 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,160 - Look, right across the board. - Oh. 810 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,880 11, 11, 11. 811 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,880 - And most amps go up to ten? - Exactly. 812 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,360 Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder? 813 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,200 Well, it's one louder, isn't it? 814 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,360 Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number 815 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,800 and make that a little louder? 816 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,240 These go to 11. 817 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,120 It goes to 11. 818 00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:02,080 And it made me laugh so much that they actually...they built me one. 819 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,160 I think everyone likes to think it's about them. 820 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,560 Everybody claims that, but Harry Shearer actually came on tour 821 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,440 with us, did the research and put things from us in. 822 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,680 If you talk to people about Spinal Tap and Nigel Tufnel 823 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,720 and "goes to 11", they associate all of that still with Marshall. 824 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:21,160 It might go up to number 11, 825 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,520 but it also works very well at number 1 or number 2. 826 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,560 You know, I think that's what's important. 827 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,680 I've got a JCM800 828 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,400 and it... 829 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,320 I only ever have it on 2.5. 830 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,600 That's as high as I dare take it because it's such a beast. 831 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,960 Players began to seek their own signature guitar tone. 832 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,800 If this was going to be a performance here, 833 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,120 I might put an X on the spot where it goes into like... 834 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:50,320 GUITAR SOUNDS Let's see. 835 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:58,320 HOLDS SOUND ON GUITAR 836 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,680 All right, well, that's going to go forever, 837 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,600 so I'll put an X right there. 838 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,520 I can remember there were more significant things occurred 839 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:07,760 in the late '70s, early '80s 840 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,400 and I think prior and maybe afterwards as well. 841 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,360 Like you had Van Halen come out who revolutionised it, 842 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,680 then you... When you thought it couldn't get any better than you had 843 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,680 Randy Rhoads come out, for example. 844 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,160 The amp's reputation had spread across the Atlantic. 845 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,400 The American musicians embraced it so much 846 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,920 and they actually took it to another level. 847 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,800 If a young British musician had two or three Marshalls on stage, 848 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,280 they had ten. 849 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,920 It used to be in Los Angeles in the early '80s - 850 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,520 "Wanted guitar player. Must have Marshall, Gibson and a car." 851 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,200 Whether it's a pop song, a disco song, a rock song, 852 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,040 uh, metal song. I mean, whatever genre the music is, 853 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,560 God only knows how many recordings a Marshall has been on. 854 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,520 These are bands that suddenly started to sell 855 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,320 tens of millions of albums with what one could call big-hair rock, 856 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,280 glam rock, call it what you will, great anthemic songs, 857 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,400 great image and a sense of power. 858 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,400 And the Marshall amp was part of it 859 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,320 because they were proud to be photographed and filmed 860 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,960 with Marshalls. They had them on stage everywhere you went. 861 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,560 As rock music evolved in the '80s from rock to hard rock 862 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,520 to heavy rock to heavy metal, so Marshall evolved with it, 863 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,080 meeting the needs of those guitar players, 864 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,520 and they were the amplifier of choice and becoming louder 865 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,000 and being seen on stage to be louder. 866 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,760 For me, it's all about the energy and the confidence 867 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,680 to be able to go up there and just do your thing, right? 868 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:44,240 So I spend very little time tweaking amps and doing all that shit. 869 00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:46,680 I set it up, it takes me five minutes, you know. 870 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,640 Either it sounds good or it doesn't. 871 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,160 MUSIC: Sweet Child O' Mine by Guns N' Roses 872 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,120 I remember being intimidated by it, the first time I ever... 873 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,400 It was somebody else's amp. And you plug it in 874 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,040 and it was above and beyond anything I'd ever used, 875 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,840 so it was a little bit out of my sort of experience. 876 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,640 It's not a cure for anything. 877 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,040 If you suck and you buy a Marshall, you'll still suck, 878 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,400 but you will suck louder 879 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,280 and with better tone than you've ever sucked before in your life. 880 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,600 The respect and adulation for the elder statesmen of rock 881 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,440 has increased many fold. 882 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,560 They are now held up with great esteem 883 00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,920 and awe rather than being regarded as boring old farts. 884 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,160 Psychologically, you knew that what was coming out of those speakers 885 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,280 sounded great. 886 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,680 You know, we didn't use pedals. 887 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,040 I might have had a Crybaby or a wah-wah pedal or something. 888 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,160 But you just knew that you had a great guitar sound 889 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,120 because you were trying to emulate your heroes from before. 890 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,480 It gave you that confidence to know that you were now... 891 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:46,960 As soon as you hit that chord, 892 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,600 you know, the crowd jumped up and - bang, you were there, 893 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:50,920 you were rock stars. 894 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,680 GUITAR RIFF TO CAROLINE 895 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,120 At least it's tried and tested. 896 00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,120 You know what you're going to get with it. 897 00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,360 It does what it says on the tin. 898 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,160 It kick... Well, it doesn't actually say, "Kick arse," on there 899 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,720 but that would be quite good to have on there, wouldn't it? 900 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:08,800 "Marshall Kick Arse." Yeah. 901 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,520 But it does... It does what you want it to do. 902 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,760 Like, my particular thing is always about a hard-driven 903 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,600 but warm, natural kind of a sound, 904 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,680 and that was what brought me to 905 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,640 Marshall in the first place because it had the volume and the gain 906 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,360 and all that to rock as hard as it could possibly... 907 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,360 anybody could ever possibly ever want. 908 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,080 # Watch me burn... # 909 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,960 Still, today there's new bands coming out with new music 910 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,960 using a Marshall and saying, "We do this. 911 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,560 "This is how we do it, and this is how we sound." 912 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,960 You take a 14-year-old just getting into metal 913 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,920 and you show them a picture from 1971-72 of a band on stage 914 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,000 using a Marshall amp, 915 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,320 they'll connect with it. 916 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,480 You take a 14-year-old in 1971-72 917 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,400 and show them what equipment was on stage in the 1930s 918 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,760 they'll just look at it and go, "Alien," 919 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,280 and that's the big difference. Marshall has transcended. 920 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,440 # I am electric 921 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:09,880 # I am electric 922 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,600 # I am electric! # 923 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,560 CROWD CHEERS AND SCREAMS 924 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,760 Marshall amplification has remained independent and British, 925 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,400 just as Jim intended it to be. 926 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,360 Even into old age, he still led the company, 927 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,400 never letting up on his ambition or control, 928 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,800 but time was catching up. 929 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:40,240 After a series of strokes, Jim was forced to take a back seat. 930 00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,840 We went and had dinner with him a couple of times 931 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,360 and he was kind of getting frailer and frailer, you know. 932 00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:49,120 It's a terrible thing. 933 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,840 In April 2012, Jim Marshall died peacefully. 934 00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,840 It was a shock but it was not unexpected. 935 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,280 And it was international news within a few hours of him passing. 936 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,320 Now, he was known as the Father of Loud. 937 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,880 Jim Marshall, the man who helped shape the sound of rock, has died 938 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,440 at the age of 88. 939 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,360 The outpouring was huge because he was a very significant figure. 940 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,160 There will never be another Jim Marshall. 941 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,640 I remember him with such affection. 942 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:25,040 And such a gentle, sweet, kind man, 943 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,320 and, uh, to me, anyway. 944 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,640 # Your love made it well worth waiting 945 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,440 # For someone 946 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:43,360 # Like you. # 947 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:48,400 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 948 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,320 Jim never lived to see the Marshall 50th concert, 949 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,360 but it became rock's tribute to his life. 950 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,360 So, tonight, it's a mixed emotion. 951 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,560 I was going out with the sole intention of doing this for Jim. 952 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:05,920 He was supposed to be out there 953 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,720 either sitting on the side of the stage or out of the sound desk. 954 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:12,720 You know, cos he still loved his rock'n'roll, you know. 955 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,560 And I must admit, it's quite loud out there, 956 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,400 but it's his fault, isn't it? You know. 957 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,840 HE LAUGHS 958 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:23,600 6,000 fans filled London's Wembley Arena to hear some of the world's 959 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:28,320 greatest guitarists play their own respects to the Father of Loud. 960 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,720 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 961 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,120 It's a beautiful old amp. 962 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,280 This is where it all started. 963 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,760 Proud and sentimental. Bringing tears to my eyes. 964 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:48,800 Jim got it. 965 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,520 Jim was one of the first people. 966 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,200 I have to say, I don't think that many others did. 967 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:58,560 This is the guy that has left one of the most amazing legacies. 968 00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,480 I think, without Jim, this wouldn't have happened. 969 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,680 We wouldn't have been able to do this stuff on stage. 970 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,640 I suppose I've been very lucky, really, 971 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,960 because I've liked everything that I've done in life. 972 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,200 And I suppose the thing that makes it more interesting 973 00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:19,120 is the fact that whatever I've done has been associated with music. 84066

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