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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,500 PICTURE UP, B-ROLL 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:07,375 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Hey Dennis. Dennis you're 3 00:00:07,376 --> 00:00:11,750 running this mother fucking show. 4 00:00:11,751 --> 00:00:16,125 I'am going to quit halfway through the end unless I get 5 00:00:16,126 --> 00:00:20,500 another bottle of wine sitting by me. Okay? 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:23,250 WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: Dennis! Get him a bottle! 7 00:00:23,251 --> 00:00:24,500 For Christ's sake Dennis! 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,500 a PICTURES FROM EARTH presentation 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,754 STEVE RICHMOND: Bukowski was telling me if you're parents begin 10 00:00:37,755 --> 00:00:41,277 to like their work it's getting bad you know and if the cops are around 11 00:00:41,278 --> 00:00:46,209 something good must be happening. And what you need is life. Your work 12 00:00:46,210 --> 00:00:51,500 has to be alive and you�ve got to you know drink, write and fuck. That was his advice. 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,120 MAN: And I heard him flick his bick and then I heard 14 00:00:56,121 --> 00:00:59,355 sssssss, like the singing of hair you know and I looked 15 00:00:59,356 --> 00:01:03,428 over and I could see him in the, he had this, the, the flame was up 16 00:01:03,429 --> 00:01:07,500 really high and he, and he went like ssss and then he went rrrrrrr. 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,446 BARBET SCHROEDER: He called me and said um you 18 00:01:11,447 --> 00:01:15,896 motherfucker. You put something in my wine. And I said no I 19 00:01:15,897 --> 00:01:22,500 didn�t. He said yes. He said you put LSD in my wine because you want to fuck my wife. 20 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,801 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Oh yeah the time 21 00:01:25,802 --> 00:01:29,500 he pulled this blade on the maitre�d at the Polo Lounge. There was that. 22 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,716 JOHN MARTIN: And the cop says you know what are you doing? Stop. And he said 23 00:01:34,717 --> 00:01:37,013 I�m going to throw the couch through the window 24 00:01:37,014 --> 00:01:39,500 and the cop drew his gun and he said no you�re not. 25 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,890 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: But they caught me in the bar in the old days. He was a 26 00:01:43,891 --> 00:01:46,500 good duker. And that�s the ultimate compliment. 27 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,905 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Finally I see him across the street from me and he�s 28 00:01:50,906 --> 00:01:52,584 unzipped himself and he�s taking 29 00:01:52,585 --> 00:01:55,586 his cock out and he�s not waving it but he�s, it�s just dangling there and he�s 30 00:01:55,587 --> 00:01:58,744 running up and down the street and people are screaming and horrified. And 31 00:01:58,745 --> 00:02:00,287 finally they gather around him. 32 00:02:00,288 --> 00:02:03,500 Call the police. Call the, covering their children�s eyes. Call the police. 33 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,765 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: The creative act is done at that goddamn machine right 34 00:02:08,766 --> 00:02:12,500 here. See this fucking thing? That�s where it�s done. 35 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,229 LIZA WILLIAMS: He talks a lot about 36 00:02:16,230 --> 00:02:20,500 his sexual prowess. He referred to his penis as his purple onion. 37 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,875 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I saw him looking me and I ducked 38 00:02:25,876 --> 00:02:30,409 quickly forward ducking my head into the night. Move quickly 39 00:02:30,410 --> 00:02:35,417 forward. You never say duck and ducking. That�s the first thing 40 00:02:35,418 --> 00:02:40,500 you learn you know. But I fucked it up because I�m drunk on wine. 41 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:47,500 BUKOWSKI BORN INTO THIS 42 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Forgive me. You have my soul and I have your money. 43 00:02:04,965 --> 00:02:04,965 B-ROLL 44 00:02:05,000 --> 00:03:05,500 INTERVIEWER: Why? 45 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:12,734 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I�ll tell you why. All of the, sometime in my life this 46 00:03:12,735 --> 00:03:19,558 time might come a little bit. Like guys marching in on me with cameras and 47 00:03:19,559 --> 00:03:26,779 all that shit. Somehow I almost felt it and knew it. And I was always going 48 00:03:26,780 --> 00:03:31,500 to crash it down and say f-, jam it up your ass. 49 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:38,771 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: You know uh the young blondes with the tight pussies 50 00:03:38,772 --> 00:03:41,629 came too late. The cameras came too late. 51 00:03:41,630 --> 00:03:47,669 Don�t grin at me like that. It�s true. They came too late. I�m 52 00:03:47,670 --> 00:03:54,280 too strong. The gods have really put a good shield over me man. They really 53 00:03:54,281 --> 00:03:58,391 have. I�ve been toughened up at the right time 54 00:03:58,392 --> 00:04:02,500 and the right place. They�re still good to me. 55 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,500 B-ROLL 56 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,547 TAYLOR HACKFORD: Once Ferlinghetti up 57 00:04:06,548 --> 00:04:09,763 in San Francisco invited Bukowski to go to San Francisco to read at the City 58 00:04:09,764 --> 00:04:13,500 Lights Poet�s Theater. I had never heard him read actually. It was very interesting. 59 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,135 TAYLOR HACKFORD: We just met. We started to develop 60 00:04:18,136 --> 00:04:20,349 a relationship and bang this thing happened. So I said 61 00:04:20,350 --> 00:04:22,528 I�m going to travel. Now I had this, this miniscule budget. 62 00:04:22,529 --> 00:04:24,500 I decided to shoot in black and white. 63 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,399 LAWRENCE FERLINGHETTI: City Lights in 64 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:33,323 the last year has started presenting American poets who I believe are major 65 00:04:33,324 --> 00:04:35,558 writers in this country and at the 66 00:04:35,559 --> 00:04:39,500 moment like what else is happening be-, besides Bukowski? 67 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,250 TAYLOR HACKFORD: We go up in the plane. He�s drinking scotch. He got 68 00:04:44,251 --> 00:04:46,500 pretty drunk and a little silly. And I was shooting the whole thing. 69 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,409 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: No I�ll be all right. 70 00:04:49,410 --> 00:04:51,500 I�ll be all right. I�ll be all right. 71 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,832 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I wish I were more nervous. You read better when you�re a 72 00:04:56,833 --> 00:05:00,500 little nervous you know. Really it�s like you know before a fight or something. You�re nervous. 73 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,536 TAYLOR HACKFORD: He arrives in San Francisco for this reading at 74 00:05:04,537 --> 00:05:08,500 Ferlinghetti�s Poet�s Theater and my God it was like the second coming. 75 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,500 B-ROLL 76 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,861 TAYLOR HACKFORD: We walked into this big gymnasium and there were bleachers 77 00:05:14,862 --> 00:05:17,500 set up and you know there were like six, seven hundred people there. 78 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:19,500 LAWRENCE FERLINGHETTI: They�re lining up around the corner. 79 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Do you have a little pot on the stage I can vomit in? 80 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,421 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: [TALKING OVER] No 81 00:05:27,422 --> 00:05:30,500 I�m not kidding. No cheap Italian wine man. You guys really fucked me up. 82 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:32,841 TAYLOR HACKFORD: He was a little drunk 83 00:05:32,842 --> 00:05:34,500 and I think he was building himself up and I think he was a little scared. 84 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I�m in great shape. Down here. 85 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:39,500 LAWRENCE FERLINGHETTI: Here we go. 86 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Oh shit. 87 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,500 LAWRENCE FERLINGHETTI: Ladies and gentlemen, Charles Bukowski. 88 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:54,500 B-ROLL 89 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,316 TAYLOR HACKFORD: In the poetry 90 00:05:57,317 --> 00:06:00,586 readings he did in Los Angeles where there would be fifteen people, twenty 91 00:06:00,587 --> 00:06:03,960 people. You know get thirty people it was a crowd. And here we walked into 92 00:06:03,961 --> 00:06:06,500 hundreds and hundreds and it was a loud rowdy audience. 93 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,500 WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]. 94 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:14,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Do I know you? One more beer. I�ll take you all, all of you. 95 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,500 B-ROLL 96 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,725 TAYLOR HACKFORD: And at the same time it was a certain electricity in the 97 00:06:25,726 --> 00:06:29,500 air. But he didn�t have to share the podium. This was a Bukowski event. 98 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,500 B-ROLL 99 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,094 TAYLOR HACKFORD: Bukowski was a fairly 100 00:06:36,095 --> 00:06:40,282 well known underground figure in Los Angeles at the time because he wrote a 101 00:06:40,283 --> 00:06:42,283 column at the L.A. Free Press called 102 00:06:42,284 --> 00:06:46,672 the Notes of a Dirty Old Man. One week he wrote this article in there about 103 00:06:46,673 --> 00:06:48,575 going to San Francisco to read and 104 00:06:48,576 --> 00:06:52,994 having these uh punk asshole uh stupid filmmakers along and he was trying to 105 00:06:52,995 --> 00:06:57,267 kind of help them along and organizing this and that because these people 106 00:06:57,268 --> 00:07:00,500 bumble through and asking stupid questions and so on. 107 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,629 TAYLOR HACKFORD: It was quite an 108 00:07:02,630 --> 00:07:06,529 entertaining kind of funny piece. So I read it and I, I, you know I saw him 109 00:07:06,530 --> 00:07:08,523 later and I said uh, I said hey, I said 110 00:07:08,524 --> 00:07:12,356 I read that article. He says yeah baby what�d you think? I said well I 111 00:07:12,357 --> 00:07:14,155 thought it was full of shit man. 112 00:07:14,156 --> 00:07:18,315 I said I, I, you forget I have the film. You�re the guy who�s drunk on the plane 113 00:07:18,316 --> 00:07:22,434 making a fool out of yourself and you made me. He says hey baby when I write 114 00:07:22,435 --> 00:07:26,500 I�m the hero of my shit. And he says you got your film, you do your film. 115 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,500 B-ROLL 116 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:38,607 born like this into this as the chalk faces smile as Mrs. Death laughs 117 00:07:38,608 --> 00:07:42,902 as political landscapes dissolve as the 118 00:07:42,903 --> 00:07:50,500 oily fish sit out their oily prey we are born like this, into this 119 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,379 into hospitals which are so expensive 120 00:07:55,380 --> 00:08:02,229 that it�s cheaper to die into lawyers who charge so much it�s cheaper to 121 00:08:02,230 --> 00:08:09,571 plead guilty into a country where the jails are full and the madhouses closed 122 00:08:09,572 --> 00:08:15,500 into a place where the masses elevate fools into rich heroes 123 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:24,187 born into this walking and living through this dying because of this 124 00:08:24,188 --> 00:08:29,500 castrated debauched disinherited because of this 125 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,367 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: The fingers reach toward an unresponsive god. The 126 00:08:35,368 --> 00:08:41,195 fingers reach for the bottle, the pill, the powder. We are born into the 127 00:08:41,196 --> 00:08:46,838 sorrowful deadliness. There will be open and unpunished murder in the 128 00:08:46,839 --> 00:08:49,753 streets. It will be guns and roving 129 00:08:49,754 --> 00:08:55,500 mobs. Land will be useless. Food will become a diminishing return. 130 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:03,157 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Nuclear power will be taken over by the many. Explosions 131 00:09:03,158 --> 00:09:05,845 will continually shake the earth. 132 00:09:05,846 --> 00:09:11,872 Radiated men will eat the flesh of radiated men. The rotting bodies of 133 00:09:11,873 --> 00:09:17,975 men and animals will stink in the dark wind. And there will be the most 134 00:09:17,976 --> 00:09:21,045 beautiful silence never heard. 135 00:09:21,046 --> 00:09:26,500 Born out of that, the sun hidden there, awaiting the next chapter. 136 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,500 B-ROLL 137 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:34,890 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: His full name was Henry Charles Bukowski, Jr. and his 138 00:09:34,891 --> 00:09:35,804 father called him Henry with a very strong gruff voice so Hank was sort of 139 00:09:35,805 --> 00:09:36,733 the nickname for Henry. And Charles, just Charles Bukowski and especially 140 00:09:36,734 --> 00:09:37,500 being a writer sounded a little better than Henry Bukowski. 141 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:55,500 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI WIFE 142 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,219 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Shit I don�t know if 143 00:09:58,220 --> 00:10:00,500 I can make this on just two bottles. It may be a three bottle reading. 144 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,500 B-ROLL 145 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,653 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Liquor�s like a 146 00:10:06,654 --> 00:10:10,201 symphony or like a classical song or something. You don�t use it as a 147 00:10:10,202 --> 00:10:12,119 downer. You use it as to leap up into 148 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,500 the sky when you�re in pain or when you, you have this pressure. 149 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:55,500 B-ROLL 150 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I am a slugger. Now if I start reading this poem. 151 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:02,500 MAN IN AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]. 152 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:09,171 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And I hear this man�s voice rising above the sound of 153 00:11:09,172 --> 00:11:15,850 my poem I�m going to go over to him and kick his living ass right out of the 154 00:11:15,851 --> 00:11:22,911 city physically. I�m going to kick his ass right out of this goddamn hall. 155 00:11:22,912 --> 00:11:27,500 So watch it man. I�ll take you like a motherfucker. 156 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:36,500 B-ROLL 157 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:44,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 158 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,500 Hank when did you realize you were a writer that you had this talent? 159 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,500 Nobody ever realizes they�re a writer They only think they�re a writer. 160 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,500 So when did you think you were a writer? 161 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:06,600 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Well I was, I guess I was about uh thirteen years old. 162 00:12:06,601 --> 00:12:10,143 Then I was covered with these boils and 163 00:12:10,144 --> 00:12:16,500 uh my first writing I did I had this notebook, you know for school. 164 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:24,500 I just found a pencil and I started writing. and I filled this notebook full of words. 165 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,250 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And I guess that was 166 00:12:29,251 --> 00:12:33,500 the first time the mechanism had exposed itself. 167 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,775 And it felt pretty good sitting there 168 00:12:37,776 --> 00:12:42,500 writing in a notebook with the pencil. And I wrote on and on 169 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,530 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And it seemed ve-, a 170 00:12:47,531 --> 00:12:54,500 very easy, nice thing to do and it still remains an easy nice thing to do. 171 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,557 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: I would say after that he was a writer. That was it. He 172 00:13:00,558 --> 00:13:02,299 was going to L.A. City College. 173 00:13:02,300 --> 00:13:05,500 It�s still there on Vermont. And he walked into the journalism class. 174 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,744 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I had two years of college but I didn�t do anything. I 175 00:13:08,745 --> 00:13:11,562 just laid on the lawn you know and missed classes and uh I couldn�t get a 176 00:13:11,563 --> 00:13:14,551 job as a journalist. They said fill out on an application and we�ll let you 177 00:13:14,552 --> 00:13:17,500 know. And it�s a very hard job to get on a newspaper. It�s a very hard. 178 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,500 So it was not your decision that you didn�t work as a journalist? 179 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,497 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: No if they, I think if they had of hired me I would have 180 00:13:31,498 --> 00:13:35,500 been a journalist. In a way I�m glad they didn�t because what could I write about? 181 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,500 B-ROLL 182 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:46,500 In December, 1941 the U.S. became directly involved in World War II 183 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,500 Bukowski was 21 years old 184 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Oh no. 185 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,500 How did you manage not to go there? 186 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: The psychiatrist would not take me. 187 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,500 B-ROLL 188 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:15,339 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: He asked me do you believe in the war. I said no. Are you 189 00:14:15,340 --> 00:14:19,993 willing to, to go to the war? I said yes. He said you�re a very 190 00:14:19,994 --> 00:14:25,683 intelligent man uh you come to a party at my house next Wednesday night. We�re 191 00:14:25,684 --> 00:14:29,500 going to have artists, writers, painters, lawyers. 192 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:41,500 B-ROLL 193 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,355 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: We want you, I want 194 00:14:45,356 --> 00:14:50,250 you to come to my party next Wednesday night. Will you come to my party? 195 00:14:50,251 --> 00:14:52,625 I said no. He said okay you can go. 196 00:14:52,626 --> 00:14:57,500 I said what do you mean I can go. He said you don�t have to go to the war. 197 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,500 I have to shoot a portrait now. 198 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:02,500 INTERVIEWER: Well let�s get this picture out of the way. 199 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:03,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: All right. 200 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:04,500 INTERVIEWER: [INAUDIBLE]. 201 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:05,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Close together? 202 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,500 B-ROLL 203 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,500 What is your definition of sex? 204 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:19,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Sex is something you can, you do when you can�t sleep. 205 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:21,500 Who was your first woman? 206 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Well that was the three hundred pound whore. 207 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,500 Jesus Christ. 208 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I didn�t have my first piece of ass until I was twenty- four years old. 209 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:39,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Well I wasn�t a pretty guy. I didn�t have any money. I was a bum. 210 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,202 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: [TALKING OVER] Sorry 211 00:15:43,203 --> 00:15:47,551 you know. Like I never went to the high school ball or nothing like that. 212 00:15:47,552 --> 00:15:49,712 I was an outcast. So I met this lady 213 00:15:49,713 --> 00:15:54,500 in a bar and uh she seemed to like me, first woman that ever liked me you know. 214 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:02,402 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: She was big but she was a woman. What the hell? And I was 215 00:16:02,403 --> 00:16:08,560 drunk and she was drunk. We drank our beer and then I got into it. So I 216 00:16:08,561 --> 00:16:15,107 worked and I worked and I worked and I worked because I wanted to prove I was 217 00:16:15,108 --> 00:16:18,276 a man you know the first time. 218 00:16:18,277 --> 00:16:23,500 Boy I really tried. I said boy if this is sex it sure is lousy. 219 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:31,545 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: This is what they�re talking about in the high school locker 220 00:16:31,546 --> 00:16:38,253 rooms? So I finally, I don�t know if I made it. I probably did. But anyhow I 221 00:16:38,254 --> 00:16:44,953 woke up and we�re both laying there and she�s snoring on her back. And I look 222 00:16:44,954 --> 00:16:52,500 over this huge beast is laying there. And we�d broken the bed both legs and the butt. 223 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:01,074 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: We were like on a hill. The bed was down like that. So 224 00:17:01,075 --> 00:17:08,335 then you know uh I rushed to my pants and my wallet was missing. So I said 225 00:17:08,336 --> 00:17:15,568 you fucking whore you took my wallet. She said no, no, no I didn�t. And I 226 00:17:15,569 --> 00:17:19,404 said get out of here you bitch. 227 00:17:19,405 --> 00:17:25,500 I said I know that you�ve got up your cunt. There�s room up there. 228 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:34,014 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I started to learn how to talk this way then. And I tied 229 00:17:34,015 --> 00:17:37,442 up the legs. I was tying up the legs 230 00:17:37,443 --> 00:17:44,944 of the bed. I reached under there and I felt something on the rug. It was my 231 00:17:44,945 --> 00:17:51,986 wallet. I said oh that poor old girl. I felt awful you know. Forget the 232 00:17:51,987 --> 00:17:55,714 image. I have a heart. And I said oh shit. 233 00:17:55,715 --> 00:18:01,500 She may not have been much but I used her wrongly. 234 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,110 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: So right away I ran 235 00:18:04,111 --> 00:18:08,330 down to the bar where I�d met her. Evidently she told the bartender. 236 00:18:08,331 --> 00:18:12,666 And I walked in and I said listen is uh I forget her name, I said is Son-, is 237 00:18:12,667 --> 00:18:15,500 Marie here? He kind of said we can�t serve you. 238 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:23,500 B-ROLL 239 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,500 Bukowski spent parts of the early 1940s roaming the United States 240 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,528 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: I think one of the reasons Bukowski wandered around the 241 00:18:32,529 --> 00:18:34,299 country was very simply a young man�s 242 00:18:34,300 --> 00:18:38,127 need to see his country. And I think the other reason was he wanted to delve 243 00:18:38,128 --> 00:18:40,015 at the life. He needed experience. 244 00:18:40,016 --> 00:18:43,692 And so he went, he bought a ticket on a trail ways and he went all the way to 245 00:18:43,693 --> 00:18:45,645 Florida, as far as he could go. And he 246 00:18:45,646 --> 00:18:49,500 said to get as far away from my father as possible. Probably that�s true. 247 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,766 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Then he headed back through New Orleans and he was in El 248 00:18:56,767 --> 00:19:01,909 Paso. All through the forties he lived in one rooming house or one little cold 249 00:19:01,910 --> 00:19:06,738 water hotel room after another looking for that golden sentence, you know 250 00:19:06,739 --> 00:19:11,500 wanting to write that story that would put him up there in the charts. 251 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:19,944 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I would get a common laborer�s job somewhere for a week or 252 00:19:19,945 --> 00:19:26,889 two and then live in a cheap room and type. Uh I used to live on one candy 253 00:19:26,890 --> 00:19:33,918 bar a day. Cost a nickel. I always remember the candy bar. It was called 254 00:19:33,919 --> 00:19:41,500 Payday. That was my Payday at five cents. And that candy bar tasted so good. 255 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,144 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I�d have it at night. 256 00:19:45,145 --> 00:19:50,405 I�d take one bite and it was so beautiful. I wrote four or five short 257 00:19:50,406 --> 00:19:52,911 stories a week during this time 258 00:19:52,912 --> 00:19:56,500 and I had them out everywhere. They came bouncing back. 259 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,140 TAYLOR HACKFORD: He was looking for his art and he got rejections. And 260 00:20:02,141 --> 00:20:04,219 basically what he was getting you�re 261 00:20:04,220 --> 00:20:08,491 not enough. Not you�re not good. You�re not good enough. And he heard 262 00:20:08,492 --> 00:20:12,990 it and he understood it. Now at that point you can make a choice. Oh well 263 00:20:12,991 --> 00:20:15,161 to hell with it. Throw it out. 264 00:20:15,162 --> 00:20:19,500 I�m going to go get a profession, do something. Bukowski never did that. 265 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,147 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I was laying in bed one night and I said I�ll just quit. 266 00:20:23,148 --> 00:20:26,254 To hell with it. And another voice in me said don�t quit. Save a tiny little 267 00:20:26,255 --> 00:20:29,544 ember, a spark and never give them that spark because as long as you have that 268 00:20:29,545 --> 00:20:31,500 spark you can start the greatest fire again. 269 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,663 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I was working at a lady�s dress shop and they made me work 270 00:20:46,664 --> 00:20:48,853 two hours overtime. I still kept the spark. 271 00:20:48,854 --> 00:20:53,718 I said I will not quit. I will not let them kill me. So I�m walking 272 00:20:53,719 --> 00:20:55,758 out and uh two guys in the office 273 00:20:55,759 --> 00:21:00,578 smoking cigars. Hey uh Bukowski come here a minute. They were laughing at 274 00:21:00,579 --> 00:21:03,014 me and I knew they were laughing at me 275 00:21:03,015 --> 00:21:07,500 because I was just a slave and I�m standing there. So I went home. 276 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,059 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: It was a very long walk and I remember the trees were 277 00:21:11,060 --> 00:21:12,612 frozen. It was a winter. It was in 278 00:21:12,613 --> 00:21:15,500 St. Louis. And the landlady had put these letters under my door. 279 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,000 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And I opened the one and it said we�ve accepted you�re short story. 280 00:21:23,001 --> 00:21:25,317 I said oh. The fire I saved 281 00:21:25,318 --> 00:21:29,500 has a chance. But the funniest thing is they took a bad story. 282 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,500 B-ROLL 283 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,898 But out of hundreds of stories that 284 00:21:36,899 --> 00:21:39,500 Bukowski submitted, only a few were published 285 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,504 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: The young writer 286 00:21:42,505 --> 00:21:45,770 growing up in the thirties and forties wanted to be in Harper�s, Atlantic 287 00:21:45,771 --> 00:21:49,500 Monthly. That�s where Hemingway and Cerulean, that�s where the heroes published. 288 00:21:51,000 --> 00:22:07,500 JOYCE FANTE: I don�t think it was quite the market for uh. The main magazines during the forties were pretty much published by eastern intellectuals. John Steinbeck had a, a hard time getting recognized. Western writers just were not very much appreciated and, and uh recognized as they are today. 289 00:22:08,000 --> 00:23:11,500 JOYCE FANTE WIFE OF AUTHOR JOHN FANTE 290 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:21,500 By the late 1940s, Bukowski was back in Los Angeles to stay. 291 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,500 Here he met the woman who became his first girlfriend. 292 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,725 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I was twenty-four, 293 00:23:31,726 --> 00:23:37,250 twenty-five. She was around thirty- five. And she just accepted me. 294 00:22:57,454 --> 00:22:57,454 JOHN MARTIN: It was the first woman he ever really had a relationship with. 295 00:22:57,489 --> 00:23:02,500 She was ten years older than he was. She was born in 1910 and he was born in 1920. 296 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,866 DOM MUTO: Uh he seemed to be all alone except for this woman he lived with 297 00:23:07,867 --> 00:23:13,500 that he would refer to sometimes uh in a derogatory way, the way men refer to women. 298 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,500 DOM MUTO BUKOWSKI COWORKER 299 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:25,007 DOM MUTO: Uh I saw her once and it fit his description of her, which was she 300 00:23:25,008 --> 00:23:29,500 had a fat ass and it was good to lean up against in the wintertime. 301 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:35,055 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: She had beautiful legs. Wore high heels. Knew how to 302 00:23:35,056 --> 00:23:37,700 cross her legs with the skirt just so, 303 00:23:37,701 --> 00:23:42,500 kicking the heel like this and talking all kinds of shit you know. 304 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:49,287 DOM MUTO: Uh if you like them big. You know? She did not, she did not 305 00:23:49,288 --> 00:23:54,500 have the good looks of a, of a, of sophistication or a classy woman. 306 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,428 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: With beautiful legs 307 00:23:58,429 --> 00:24:03,219 you always figure even though you�ve only been there once or twice there 308 00:24:03,220 --> 00:24:05,339 might be something else up there 309 00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:10,438 besides a cunt. You know? There might be something really marvelous this time. 310 00:24:10,439 --> 00:24:12,969 It could be a cunt but it could 311 00:24:12,970 --> 00:24:18,163 be something about looking at the legs makes you dream. Not saying there�s 312 00:24:18,164 --> 00:24:23,107 anything wrong with a cunt but I�m saying you always imagine some extra 313 00:24:23,108 --> 00:24:27,500 magic when you�re looking at the outside portion of a female. 314 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,765 JOHN MARTIN: She would just take off for a month and leave him and then come 315 00:24:32,766 --> 00:24:36,481 back only because she�d exhausted all those opportunities out there or was 316 00:24:36,482 --> 00:24:40,240 sick and tired of what was going there and would come back to him. He was 317 00:24:40,241 --> 00:24:44,500 kind of like a home base only. They didn�t have a really domestic life together. 318 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,681 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: It was continuous going into bars, getting into trouble, 319 00:24:51,682 --> 00:24:55,500 getting kicked out of rooms. It was a tension that just— 320 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,103 HARRY DEAN STANTON V.O.: To find your 321 00:24:59,104 --> 00:25:03,420 lady already drunk, dirty dishes in the sink, the dog unfed, the flowers un 322 00:25:03,421 --> 00:25:08,500 watered, the bed unmade, the ashtrays full of punched out lipstick smeared cigarettes. 323 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,961 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Those days were so long. We were always drunk, getting 324 00:25:12,962 --> 00:25:16,500 kicked out. It was like being in a war that never really ended. 325 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,687 HARRY DEAN STANTON: Oh you asshole. 326 00:25:19,688 --> 00:25:23,294 What are you doing in there? Playing with yourself? You goddamned whore, 327 00:25:23,295 --> 00:25:27,500 what do you know about anything? Sit down on your dead ass and suck it at the vino. 328 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,190 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: But there was 329 00:25:30,191 --> 00:25:32,500 a liveliness there because we both didn�t care for shit you know. 330 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,563 HARRY DEAN STANTON V.O.: Don�t hit me. 331 00:25:36,564 --> 00:25:41,689 Don�t hit me. You�d hit me but you wouldn�t hit a man. Hell no I wouldn�t 332 00:25:41,690 --> 00:25:47,217 hit a man. Do you think I�m crazy? Hey where the hell are you going? I�m going 333 00:25:47,218 --> 00:25:51,500 to the fucking bar. Not without me. Not without me buster. 334 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,322 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And I thought 335 00:25:54,323 --> 00:25:56,500 I really had something. I did. I had lots of trouble. 336 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,062 HARRY DEAN STANTON V.O.: To get our stools, 337 00:26:00,063 --> 00:26:04,415 to sit before the long mirror, to tell the bartender vodka seven. 338 00:26:04,416 --> 00:26:09,500 Everything was far away then. The post office, the world, the past and the future. 339 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,809 HARRY DEAN STANTON: To have our drinks 340 00:26:13,810 --> 00:26:19,500 arrive to take the first hit in the dark bar. Life couldn�t get any better. 341 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,500 What�s your definition of love? 342 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:30,746 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Love? It�s kind of like you know you see a fog in the 343 00:26:30,747 --> 00:26:34,404 morning when you wake up before the sun comes out? 344 00:26:34,405 --> 00:26:40,500 It�s just that little while and then it burns away. 345 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,500 Really? 346 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,676 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Yeah. Quickly. 347 00:26:49,677 --> 00:26:55,500 It�s just, love is a fog that burns with the first daylight of reality. 348 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:05,870 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Okay well this is the post office where I carried mail 349 00:27:05,871 --> 00:27:14,500 for two and a half years coming up. That was a terrible place for me. 350 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,500 In April 1952, Hank took a job with the U.S. Post Office. 351 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:24,778 DOM MUTO: There was about four or five of us that were substitute carriers at 352 00:27:24,779 --> 00:27:29,897 the Oakwood station. I think especially first impressions were bad 353 00:27:29,898 --> 00:27:35,744 with him. The guy was, was uh didn�t wear clothes well. And he himself was 354 00:27:35,745 --> 00:27:42,500 big which could have been an asset but he carried himself like a big gallut you know. 355 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,439 DOM MUTO: And he had this heavy face 356 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,500 with these heavy features that had to grow on you. 357 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,531 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Here it is. See 358 00:27:52,532 --> 00:28:00,500 what a? United States Post Office. Two and a half years of hell, pure hell. 359 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:06,109 DOM MUTO: Oh he hated it but don�t blame the job. It was him. He just 360 00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:11,778 hated rules and regulations. He did as little as possible and he and the boss 361 00:28:11,779 --> 00:28:17,202 were enemies and at odds and the boss saw to it that he got all the dirty 362 00:28:17,203 --> 00:28:20,500 crap whenever he could dish it out to him. 363 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,198 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I wasn�t 364 00:28:24,199 --> 00:28:30,709 enthusiastic about my job as the others were. In fact I hated it and I guess 365 00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:34,006 you could tell. And how can you hate 366 00:28:34,007 --> 00:28:39,500 a good job for the United States government? Lifetime security. 367 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,042 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: To the postmaster of Los Angeles, California, 368 00:28:44,043 --> 00:28:50,048 please accept my resignation as a regular carrier 369 00:28:50,049 --> 00:28:53,035 effective three eleven fifty-five. 370 00:28:53,036 --> 00:28:59,410 I find this occupation is detrimental to my health. I am bothered with ulcers 371 00:28:59,411 --> 00:29:02,605 and the pressure and demands of the job 372 00:29:02,606 --> 00:29:09,240 are aggravating my condition. The post office had treated me well. It is only 373 00:29:09,241 --> 00:29:12,051 that I must seek a more congenial 374 00:29:12,052 --> 00:29:17,500 occupation and I regret the severance, Henry C. Bukowski, Jr. 375 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,936 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I had ulcers you know for a couple of years, very painful. 376 00:29:23,937 --> 00:29:26,617 I ignored them. I thought I was 377 00:29:26,618 --> 00:29:32,450 a tough guy and I, finally it just broke open. The blood came out of my 378 00:29:32,451 --> 00:29:34,825 mouth and my ass and uh you�d be 379 00:29:34,826 --> 00:29:40,462 surprised how much blood there is in a person. It keeps coming. And it�s purple. 380 00:29:40,463 --> 00:29:43,295 Anyhow they took me to the 381 00:29:43,296 --> 00:29:47,500 County General Hospital and uh that was a rough trip. 382 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,500 B-ROLL 383 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,786 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: As I left the 384 00:29:54,787 --> 00:30:01,229 hospital a doctor told me you take one more drink and you�re dead. 385 00:30:01,230 --> 00:30:07,778 See doctors lie to you often. I was supposed to die and uh I just didn�t. 386 00:30:07,779 --> 00:30:14,500 And it kind of felt like uh I had a free life, an extra life to work with. 387 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,639 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: So I came out of there, 388 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:24,446 got a job driving a truck, drank a lot of beer each night, 389 00:30:24,447 --> 00:30:29,908 bought a typewriter and, and uh just started typing. Only this time it all 390 00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:33,500 came out poetry. The prose had gone somewhere. 391 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,053 JOHN MARTIN: It�s like the man who 392 00:30:37,054 --> 00:30:41,688 rose from the dead and he had a whole new life to live and he did. I mean I 393 00:30:41,689 --> 00:30:46,327 think that�s often the case with a near fatal illness in mid-life. 394 00:30:46,328 --> 00:30:49,500 It sends someone off in an entirely rejuvenated direction. 395 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:56,344 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: So I started writing hundreds of poems and sending them out. 396 00:30:56,345 --> 00:31:01,487 You know poetry doesn�t pay anything but it was just the form I needed to 397 00:31:01,488 --> 00:31:06,216 kind of a passionate, pleasurable selfish nice form where you could 398 00:31:06,217 --> 00:31:11,500 scream a little bit. You know? I guess I needed to scream a little bit. 399 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,644 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: All I can say is 400 00:31:14,645 --> 00:31:18,261 that while he was drinking all through the fifties and sixties he produced 401 00:31:18,262 --> 00:31:19,868 more poetry than almost any other 402 00:31:19,869 --> 00:31:23,616 person on the planet that I know of. The discipline of sending those poems 403 00:31:23,617 --> 00:31:25,442 out because you get lazy. You have to 404 00:31:25,443 --> 00:31:29,387 go to the stationary shop and get the hundred envelopes and you have to go to 405 00:31:29,388 --> 00:31:33,350 the post office and get, maybe the fact that he worked in the post office. 406 00:31:33,351 --> 00:31:36,500 It takes an enormous amount of energy and he did it every day. 407 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:38,947 WILLIAM PACKARD: I was asking someone 408 00:31:38,948 --> 00:31:40,944 what Freud would have thought of the twentieth century and she said there�s 409 00:31:40,945 --> 00:31:43,500 one thing Freud could not have foreseen, Walt Disney making everything cheap, everything nice. 410 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:52,500 WILLIAM PACKARD PUBLISHER NEW YORK QUARTERLY 411 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,763 WILLIAM PACKARD: When I wrote something 412 00:31:56,764 --> 00:32:02,500 about Bukowski to try to justify why I was publishing him. I said he�s devoted 413 00:32:02,501 --> 00:32:05,301 to the de-Disneyfication of all of us. 414 00:32:05,302 --> 00:32:09,500 Someone has to kick the Mickey Mouse out of our heads. 415 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,862 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: He despised Mickey Mouse, especially his hands. I think he 416 00:32:15,863 --> 00:32:18,242 has three fingers. He could not handle 417 00:32:18,243 --> 00:32:23,125 the fact that the power uh over multi - millions of human beings was in the 418 00:32:23,126 --> 00:32:27,599 hands of this three fingered foolish creature that taught you nothing 419 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,813 whatsoever, that expressed nothing real, 420 00:32:29,814 --> 00:32:34,500 total absurd fucking fantasy, not even good, not even creative. 421 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,500 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI WIFE 422 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,184 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: He was appalled 423 00:32:44,185 --> 00:32:48,494 by Mickey Mouse. And I said well what about Walt Disney? He, he was a crazy 424 00:32:48,495 --> 00:32:50,815 sort of a guy. He was eccentric. 425 00:32:50,816 --> 00:32:55,278 He was a genius. He was amazing. He was a visionary. He had all of these ideas. 426 00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:57,559 And he said yeah but for what? Uh well 427 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,238 I said to expand the uh imaginations and fantasies of little children. 428 00:33:02,239 --> 00:33:06,524 Yeah to this three fingered son of a bitch who has no soul for Christ�s sake. 429 00:33:06,525 --> 00:33:09,500 Mickey Mouse doesn�t have a fucking soul. 430 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,500 B-ROLL 431 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,142 In June 1955, only a few months after 432 00:33:17,143 --> 00:33:20,500 leaving the Post Office, Bukowski tried to get rehired. 433 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,537 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Dear sirs I was a regular carrier Oakwood Station with 434 00:33:25,538 --> 00:33:29,413 over three years service. Last April I resigned from the service. This letter 435 00:33:29,414 --> 00:33:33,066 is written in hopes that I may be reinstated as a substitute carrier. 436 00:33:33,067 --> 00:33:35,500 I gave as my reason for resignation ill health. 437 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,500 NEELI CHERKOVSKY FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER 438 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,248 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: This I will state 439 00:33:42,249 --> 00:33:47,195 bluntly was an untruth. I realize now that I was in the wrong and if I had 440 00:33:47,196 --> 00:33:49,593 only taken a little time to cool off 441 00:33:49,594 --> 00:33:54,519 and be objective I never would have handed in my resignation. I hope to 442 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,926 prove to you that I can be a carrier 443 00:33:56,927 --> 00:34:01,403 worthy of my salt. Oh this is hilarious. The guy�s talking corny stuff. 444 00:34:01,404 --> 00:34:04,274 Worthy of my salt. The most un - corny guy 445 00:34:04,275 --> 00:34:09,500 in the world you know. But I guess he�s thinking of his audience. 446 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,288 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: I promise that should 447 00:34:12,289 --> 00:34:16,922 you decide in my favor that you will never regret the decision. Sincerely H. 448 00:34:16,923 --> 00:34:21,695 Bukowski, Jr., Los Angeles. You know it really reads like somebody who grew up 449 00:34:21,696 --> 00:34:25,500 in the depression frankly and who�d been through hard times. 450 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,500 B-ROLL 451 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,500 Bukowski was finally rehired at the Post Office in 1958 452 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,500 You spent twelve years in the post office? 453 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:48,323 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Really about fifteen because I was a carrier for three years 454 00:34:48,324 --> 00:34:52,500 and then I stuck for twelve, eleven and half, stuck eleven. 455 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,223 But how could a man like you do that 456 00:34:55,224 --> 00:34:57,500 for such a long time? It�s such a stupid work only doing this… 457 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,700 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: All my work was stupid but it was at night, that�s 458 00:35:04,701 --> 00:35:08,500 nights because I can�t sleep nights anyhow. 459 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,916 TAYLOR HACKFORD: Of course really what he was doing was getting a place that 460 00:35:12,917 --> 00:35:14,833 could be his little cave to write in. 461 00:35:14,834 --> 00:35:18,510 Once you get into a bureaucracy like the Post Office it�s a womb and 462 00:35:18,511 --> 00:35:20,501 ultimately he may have hated it but it 463 00:35:20,502 --> 00:35:24,532 was a regular paycheck. He knew he was going to get retirement. It was the 464 00:35:24,533 --> 00:35:26,649 thing that he made work for himself. 465 00:35:26,650 --> 00:35:30,500 He never really thought in his mind that he could live off his writing. 466 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,062 FRANCEYE: He was Bukowski the loner who 467 00:35:34,063 --> 00:35:38,344 never gets lonely. When he was drunk he had to have some companionship. 468 00:35:38,345 --> 00:35:42,319 And he found my letter and it had my phone number and that was why he called 469 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,500 me. He was very charismatic anyway but when he was drunk he was even more so. 470 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,400 FRANCEYE: And so it was like meeting a, an elemental force of some sort. 471 00:35:53,401 --> 00:35:58,345 When I met him he was going to work at the post office at night and he would 472 00:35:58,346 --> 00:36:01,298 write every day before he went to work. 473 00:36:01,299 --> 00:36:06,676 And so he didn�t see me very often. I had been having unprotected sex for two 474 00:36:06,677 --> 00:36:08,928 or three years, ever since I got 475 00:36:08,929 --> 00:36:13,500 divorced and I did not think that I was going to get pregnant. 476 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:21,185 FRANCEYE: So when I did get pregnant I think that it had to do with the change 477 00:36:21,186 --> 00:36:24,211 in my uh emotional um state because 478 00:36:24,212 --> 00:36:30,501 my reaction to Kennedy�s assassination. Anyway I did get pregnant. So I decided 479 00:36:30,502 --> 00:36:33,561 I�ll just talk to Hank and see what he 480 00:36:33,562 --> 00:36:40,082 wants to do. So he suggested right off that we get married. And he was kind of 481 00:36:40,083 --> 00:36:43,166 taken aback that I didn�t want to get married. 482 00:36:43,167 --> 00:36:49,500 I really loved him but I did not ever want to get married again. 483 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:50,500 In the 1960s businessman John Martin built an impressive collection of first edition books 484 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,444 JOHN MARTIN: I collected everything in 485 00:36:54,445 --> 00:36:59,010 in American literature, Melville, Henry James, Whitman, Faulkner, 486 00:36:59,011 --> 00:37:01,468 Scott Fitzgerald and then I was looking 487 00:37:01,469 --> 00:37:05,500 for that in post World War II writing. And I found the Beats. 488 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:11,630 JOHN MARTIN: You know Ginsberg and, and Kerouac and then one day I picked up a 489 00:37:11,631 --> 00:37:14,388 copy of The Outsider and read Bukowski 490 00:37:14,389 --> 00:37:19,684 and all these people just faded into the background. This is the first 491 00:37:19,685 --> 00:37:25,645 letter I wrote Bukowski in October 1965 just saying dear Bukowski boy are you 492 00:37:25,646 --> 00:37:28,402 a good poet. I was not a publisher 493 00:37:28,403 --> 00:37:32,500 at that time and I had no idea that I would become one. 494 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,134 JOHN MARTIN: I was managing a large office supply 495 00:37:36,135 --> 00:37:41,013 and office furniture and office printing company in Los Angeles 496 00:37:41,014 --> 00:37:42,974 and the print shop was under my control. 497 00:37:42,975 --> 00:37:47,780 And after I had talked to Bukowski and saw the material he had I decided 498 00:37:47,781 --> 00:37:50,157 I was going to do some broadsides of Bukowski. 499 00:37:50,158 --> 00:37:55,174 A broadside is the most inexpensive and the least difficult way 500 00:37:55,175 --> 00:37:57,845 to publish anything. You print one side 501 00:37:57,846 --> 00:38:02,500 of a piece of paper with usually one poem on it or one paragraph. 502 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,739 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: The post office was 503 00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:11,356 a hard gig you know. I�d work all night, you know eleven years clerking. 504 00:38:11,357 --> 00:38:13,889 Then I had to write, get up and start 505 00:38:13,890 --> 00:38:19,500 drinking and writing, then go to work. The same thing, get up, drink and write. 506 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,762 JOHN MARTIN: He really did suffer 507 00:38:21,763 --> 00:38:25,979 because first of all he was drinking too much and he, the fact that he might 508 00:38:25,980 --> 00:38:28,026 skip a day without writing was just 509 00:38:28,027 --> 00:38:32,174 a terror for him. And then in addition there was a thing there at the post 510 00:38:32,175 --> 00:38:34,237 office called the scheme. It was that 511 00:38:34,238 --> 00:38:38,584 you�d sit in a little Plexiglas box like a telephone booth. And they�d give 512 00:38:38,585 --> 00:38:42,907 you a hundred pieces of mail and you have to throw at a certain percentage 513 00:38:42,908 --> 00:38:45,500 of accuracy within a given amount of time. 514 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,884 FRANCEYE: And that was a nightmare to him 515 00:38:48,885 --> 00:38:52,500 to imagine that he might fail the schemes and thus lose his job. 516 00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:00,121 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I couldn�t lift my arms anymore. They wouldn�t lift up 517 00:39:00,122 --> 00:39:07,500 after a night�s work. So I said you either got to get out of there or die, go crazy. 518 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:15,981 MARINA BUKOWSKI: I was born on September 7th, 1964 and I just remember 519 00:39:15,982 --> 00:39:22,500 this little house in Los Angeles and Hank�s typewriter. 520 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,221 FRANCEYE: Hank worked at night. 521 00:39:26,222 --> 00:39:30,721 Marina didn�t sleep in the daytime. She didn�t sleep at night either. 522 00:39:30,722 --> 00:39:34,757 I was never getting any sleep. I was dreadfully unhappy and looking back 523 00:39:34,758 --> 00:39:37,500 I was so sleep deprived that I was almost insane. 524 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,308 FRANCEYE: And Hank liked a happy woman 525 00:39:41,309 --> 00:39:45,500 in the house. He likes you to be singing in the kitchen and so on. 526 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,961 FRANCEYE: Well we didn�t really talk about this until one day he sat down 527 00:39:50,962 --> 00:39:52,976 and said well you�re going to have to get out. 528 00:39:52,977 --> 00:39:57,277 I�ll pay your rent up to what I can afford. And we didn�t move very 529 00:39:57,278 --> 00:40:01,467 far away so that he could still see Marina. I used to take her over to his 530 00:40:01,468 --> 00:40:03,574 place whenever I ran out of money for food. 531 00:40:03,575 --> 00:40:07,500 I�d call him and say can we come over for dinner and we did. 532 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,753 MARINA BUKOWSKI: He would make steak and lima beans, which I loved of course 533 00:40:12,754 --> 00:40:15,201 because he made it. I remember he liked 534 00:40:15,202 --> 00:40:20,283 to rest after he had a big meal and of course I was little, wanted to play. So 535 00:40:20,284 --> 00:40:25,312 one of the things I liked to play was Batman and Robin, which went like this. 536 00:40:25,313 --> 00:40:27,617 You be Batman Marina and you can do things 537 00:40:27,618 --> 00:40:31,500 and I�ll be Robin because he doesn�t do anything. 538 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,718 MARINA BUKOWSKI: And he would lie on 539 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:42,532 the bed and just sort of snooze and I would jump on the bed and be Batman. 540 00:40:42,533 --> 00:40:47,110 Certainly I knew my father was very different than anyone else�s father. 541 00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:51,293 My mom was very different too and our 542 00:40:51,294 --> 00:40:54,063 lives were different and all of our friends were different. 543 00:40:54,064 --> 00:41:00,235 So maybe, maybe that led me to feel it was positive 544 00:41:00,236 --> 00:41:07,500 instead of feeling like I wanted to fit in with something that I couldn�t fit in with. 545 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI V.O.: The genius of the crowd. 546 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,236 There is enough treachery, hatred, violence, Absurdity in the average 547 00:41:18,237 --> 00:41:22,500 human Being To supply any given army on any given day. 548 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,841 AND The Best At Murder Are Those Who Preach Against It. AND The Best At Hate 549 00:41:28,842 --> 00:41:34,500 Are Those Who Preach LOVE. And the best at war - finally - are those who preach peace. 550 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,500 Beware The Average Man The Average Woman Beware Their LOVE 551 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,360 Their Love Is Average, Seeks Average But There Is Genius In Their Hatred 552 00:41:48,361 --> 00:41:53,500 There�s Enough Genius In Their Hatred To Kill You, To Kill Anybody. 553 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,470 Not Wanting Solitude Not Understanding 554 00:41:58,471 --> 00:42:05,500 Solitude They Will Attempt To Destroy Anything That Differs From Their Own 555 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,500 Not Being Able To Create Art They Will Not Understand Art 556 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,500 They Will Consider Their Failure As Creators Only As A Failure Of The World 557 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,330 Not Being Able To Love Fully They Will 558 00:42:22,331 --> 00:42:27,500 BELIEVE Your Love Incomplete AND THEN THEY WILL HATE YOU 559 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,659 And Their Hatred Will Be Perfect 560 00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:42,500 Like A Shining Diamond Like A knife Like A Mountain LIKE A TIGER LIKE hemlock. 561 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:44,500 Their Finest ART 562 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,500 CONFESSIONS OF A MAN INSANE ENOUGH TO LIVE WITH BEASTS 1965 MIMEO PRESS 563 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,587 TAYLOR HACKFORD: John Martin could see. 564 00:42:52,588 --> 00:42:54,500 John Martin could feel the public out there. 565 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:56,500 2 BY BUKOWSKI 1968 BLACK SPARROW PRESS 566 00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,449 TAYLOR HACKFORD: After a certain number of books John Martin started to realize 567 00:42:59,450 --> 00:43:00,500 that there was going to be an audience for this writer. 568 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,500 POEMS WRITTEN BEFORE JUMPING OUT OF AN 8 STORY WINDOW 1968 POETRY XCHANGE 569 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,500 TAYLOR HACKFORD: And that Bukowski needed to focus himself full time. 570 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,626 TAYLOR HACKFORD: And Bukowski was very resistant to that. If I go out there 571 00:43:07,627 --> 00:43:08,928 and lose my tenure at the post office 572 00:43:08,929 --> 00:43:11,531 and lose my gig and my ability to support myself and we fail where do I 573 00:43:11,532 --> 00:43:14,317 go? CHARLES BUKOWSKI: You see this man came by while I was still in the post 574 00:43:14,318 --> 00:43:17,500 office, John Martin, he publishes my stuff, the Black Sparrow. He came by one night. 575 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,383 You see this man came by while I was still in the post office. John Martin, 576 00:43:24,384 --> 00:43:27,500 he publishes my stuff. The Black Sparrow. 577 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,500 He came by one night. 578 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,912 JOHN MARTIN: We sat down in his little dingy room and got out a piece of paper 579 00:43:36,913 --> 00:43:39,380 and we figured out what it costs him to live. 580 00:43:39,381 --> 00:43:44,124 And he was putting down these amounts like three dollars and fifty cents a month 581 00:43:44,125 --> 00:43:49,439 for cigarettes and nineteen dollars for food. As I remember this in uh 582 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,839 mid-sixties. Rent was eighty bucks. 583 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,500 Child support was fifteen. And we came up with a hundred dollars. 584 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,742 JOHN MARTIN: And I said you could really get along on a hundred dollars a month? 585 00:44:01,743 --> 00:44:05,839 And he said yes. So I said okay I�ll give you twenty-five percent of my 586 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,804 income for life whether this works or not but you�ve got to quit and write 587 00:44:09,805 --> 00:44:12,500 full time. Very reckless. I didn�t tell my wife. 588 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,689 He says, “I�ll give you a hundred 589 00:44:15,690 --> 00:44:19,500 dollars a month for the rest of your life whether you write anything or not. 590 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,500 That�s pretty good, you know. 591 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,500 Well it gets the rent anyhow it may not get the child support but it gets the rent. 592 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:31,500 So that gave me some heart, you know? 593 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,786 INTERVIEWER: But didn�t you feel kind of odd like casting your fate with this 594 00:44:35,787 --> 00:44:37,500 guy with this hard drinking kind of wild man? 595 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,278 JOHN MARTIN: No because that was 596 00:44:41,279 --> 00:44:45,960 all over ridden by the fact of who he really was, not the distorted part of him 597 00:44:45,961 --> 00:44:48,331 but what, what he really stood for. 598 00:44:48,332 --> 00:44:53,815 And, and, and, and, and, and what made him important. I mean I, the first time 599 00:44:53,816 --> 00:44:55,932 I read him I said my God this is 600 00:44:55,933 --> 00:45:01,025 today�s Whitman. This is a man of the street writing for the people in the street. 601 00:45:01,026 --> 00:45:03,838 And when you get an opportunity where, 602 00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:08,500 whether you�re a banker or a, or a holdup man you go for it. 603 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,743 JOHN MARTIN: And there was Bukowski and I thought if this guy will commit his 604 00:45:13,744 --> 00:45:16,155 future work to me that�ll start me off. 605 00:45:16,156 --> 00:45:21,040 I said to him at the end of uh 1969 I know you�re a poet and that�s what I�m 606 00:45:21,041 --> 00:45:23,422 planning to publish and that�s why 607 00:45:23,423 --> 00:45:28,560 I�m starting Black Sparrow Press to publish your poetry but if you ever could write 608 00:45:28,561 --> 00:45:30,780 a novel that would be really great 609 00:45:30,781 --> 00:45:34,500 because novels sell a lot better than books of poetry. 610 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,245 JOHN MARTIN: But never thinking that he could and would. So he started work for me 611 00:45:41,246 --> 00:45:43,508 at one hundred dollars a month on 612 00:45:43,509 --> 00:45:48,785 January 2nd, 1970. And he called me around the twenty-fifth of January and 613 00:45:48,786 --> 00:45:51,353 said in kind of a low-key way come and pick it up. 614 00:45:51,354 --> 00:45:56,756 I said well pick up what? And he said my novel. You said to write a novel 615 00:45:56,757 --> 00:46:03,500 And I said how, how could you write a novel in three or four weeks? And he said fear. 616 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:09,197 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: He hated the pastoral beginnings. It was a beautiful land, 617 00:46:09,198 --> 00:46:11,738 rugged, ever snow capped mountains 618 00:46:11,739 --> 00:46:17,161 in the distance and Tom Haney came along in his old jalopy. You know that, that 619 00:46:17,162 --> 00:46:22,591 oh my God Bukowski would say. Why, why did I start with crap like that? 620 00:46:22,592 --> 00:46:25,098 That isn�t real. And so how does post office begin? 621 00:46:25,099 --> 00:46:29,500 What was the first line? It began as a mistake. 622 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,168 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: I mean what a great opening. Then, then the reader thinks 623 00:46:35,169 --> 00:46:39,500 well what began as a mistake? My life you know as a postal worker for twelve 624 00:46:39,501 --> 00:46:43,958 years and here�s the story. What did he finally do? For all the pain, 625 00:46:43,959 --> 00:46:47,500 for all the trouble of working there he brings us a humorous novel. 626 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:55,148 DOM MUTO: My name is Dom Muto right. He changed it to Tom which is legitimate, 627 00:46:55,149 --> 00:47:00,751 Moto which is Japanese. I mean didn�t he, didn�t he realize that st-, 628 00:47:00,752 --> 00:47:07,199 [LAUGHS]. No slur against the Japanese. It�s, it�s a, you know it�s a wonderful 629 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,148 name either way but where�s his creativity? 630 00:47:10,149 --> 00:47:15,500 He could have called me Graziano or something you know. 631 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:17,500 INTERVIEWER: Was the book accurate? 632 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,500 DOM MUTO: The book was accurate. 633 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,487 TOM WAITS: You know my dad spend a lot of time in the bars 634 00:47:24,488 --> 00:47:29,788 so I was drawn to, to places like that dark places. 635 00:47:29,789 --> 00:47:34,790 My dad drank in the afternoon in really dark bars. And um so I, I guess that�s 636 00:47:34,791 --> 00:47:37,575 how it began and of course it�s much more than that. 637 00:47:37,576 --> 00:47:40,062 But, but uh the place that I hooked 638 00:47:40,063 --> 00:47:45,319 into him was the fact that he was um, seemed to be a writer with common 639 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:51,106 people and street people and looking in the corners of, the dark corners where 640 00:47:51,107 --> 00:47:55,500 no one seems to want to go and certainly not write about. 641 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:04,377 TOM WAITS: And um so yeah he seemed like the, he was the writer for the 642 00:48:04,378 --> 00:48:09,500 dispossessed and he really didn�t have a voice. 643 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,952 JOHN MARTIN: I sold that collection 644 00:48:12,953 --> 00:48:16,806 to the University of California, Santa Barbara, for fifty thousand dollars. 645 00:48:16,807 --> 00:48:18,725 They were all first edition. This is 646 00:48:18,726 --> 00:48:22,509 back in the mid-sixties and fifty thousand dollars is fifty thousand dollars. 647 00:48:22,510 --> 00:48:24,618 And that�s what I started with. 648 00:48:24,619 --> 00:48:28,833 And by the, after about two years or three years because I wasn�t working, 649 00:48:28,834 --> 00:48:32,803 I had no other income, I got down to five hundred dollars. And I thought 650 00:48:32,804 --> 00:48:36,500 well it�s back to work. This has been a great run but it�s over. 651 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,796 JOHN MARTIN: And then that week for the first time more money came in then went 652 00:48:41,797 --> 00:48:44,500 out. And at that point Bukowski and I were on our way. 653 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,500 B-ROLL 654 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,500 In 1975, Bukowski published his second novel. 655 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,408 The protagonist Henry Chinaski drifts 656 00:48:57,409 --> 00:49:04,500 from town to town drinking, fighting and working numerous blue-collar jobs 657 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,048 CARL WEISSNER: Anybody feeling the ups and downs in a capital society feels 658 00:49:08,049 --> 00:49:09,639 good reading about a guy who�s actually 659 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,942 preaching the refusal to work. But what [INAUDIBLE] preaches is the refusal 660 00:49:12,943 --> 00:49:15,912 to work not the negation of the Protestant work ethic but you know 661 00:49:15,913 --> 00:49:19,500 as a fundamental wrongness of it all, the incredible waste of a life dictated by others. 662 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:32,500 CARL WEISSNER FRIEND and GERMAN TRANSLATOR 663 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,500 STEVE RICHMOND: He was a magic man. I saw him shrink once actually. 664 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:39,500 Steve Richmond FRIEND, POET 665 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:40,987 STEVE RICHMOND: He, I was at uh, 666 00:49:40,988 --> 00:49:43,014 Linda King had a party and she invited me and I should, I probably shouldn�t have 667 00:49:43,015 --> 00:49:45,026 gone because he didn�t invite me. Linda King was ferociously flirting with 668 00:49:45,027 --> 00:49:46,500 every man there, it was very awkward, kind of silly. 669 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,500 LINDA KING ARTIST, GIRLFRIEND 670 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,825 STEVE RICHMOND: So at the end of the party 671 00:49:54,826 --> 00:49:58,930 there�s like eight or nine people left and I�m next to the door and then 672 00:49:58,931 --> 00:50:03,049 out of nowhere he�s, he�s at the door, there�s eight or nine of us and he just 673 00:50:03,050 --> 00:50:06,906 started this rage. He�s about six foot, five eleven, six foot and I was 674 00:50:06,907 --> 00:50:08,817 watching him and I didn�t understand 675 00:50:08,818 --> 00:50:13,008 any of his words but it was a volcano erupting. And everybody�s kind of st-, 676 00:50:13,009 --> 00:50:16,837 stuck in place. And he started, I�m looking at him. And he started 677 00:50:16,838 --> 00:50:20,500 to reduce, reduce in size and height proportionally I swear to God. 678 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,913 STEVE RICHMOND: I sw-, I believe in 679 00:50:23,914 --> 00:50:28,230 God. I swear to God he was two and a half feet tall. As uh, as I see my hand 680 00:50:28,231 --> 00:50:32,562 now you know I saw him do it and I just didn�t want to, I didn�t want him 681 00:50:32,563 --> 00:50:36,500 to get big again so I turned around and went right out the front door. 682 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,630 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I was with my girlfriend and she had her foot up there. 683 00:50:43,631 --> 00:50:50,100 I was going in circles in the street, stopping, starting, stunting. 684 00:50:50,101 --> 00:50:56,646 Her heel did that when she�s bracing herself. She thought we were going to die 685 00:50:56,647 --> 00:50:59,826 but we didn�t. It�s a nice design. 686 00:50:59,827 --> 00:51:04,500 I like it. The car�s beginning to look like me. 687 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,561 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: You know I used to think a long time ago I was too ugly 688 00:51:09,562 --> 00:51:13,875 for women but I found out women are very strong people. If you have 689 00:51:13,876 --> 00:51:18,602 something good to give them you know like your feelings women are strong. 690 00:51:18,603 --> 00:51:21,010 They, they don�t care if you have one arm 691 00:51:21,011 --> 00:51:25,500 or five fingers missing or your nose blown off. If you just— 692 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,500 No such luck 693 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,524 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Women was the book that Hank was writing, was it, 694 00:51:39,525 --> 00:51:41,949 when I met him. Yes as a matter of fact because he was doing um what he called 695 00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:44,550 research. It started out with a woman who he had been with for a long time, 696 00:51:44,551 --> 00:51:46,500 Linda King and uh he was sort of breaking up with her. 697 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:53,500 LINDA KING ARTIST, GIRLFRIEND 698 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,182 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: When he got a little bit of notoriety women started 699 00:51:59,183 --> 00:52:01,640 coming to him and he had the opportunity 700 00:52:01,641 --> 00:52:05,398 to sort of take his pick and just sort of have experiences and 701 00:52:05,399 --> 00:52:09,598 uh like a child almost. He was discovering this whole world of women 702 00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:11,835 in a way that he hadn�t. 703 00:52:11,836 --> 00:52:15,500 And then he was involved with this other one named Cupcakes O�Brien. 704 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,122 PAM MIILLER: I thought of him more as a friend. 705 00:52:20,123 --> 00:52:24,539 He was to me more of a father figure and I didn�t take the 706 00:52:24,540 --> 00:52:27,509 relationship that seriously. I can�t say 707 00:52:27,544 --> 00:52:32,712 that I ever was in love with him. He would sing to me occasionally 708 00:52:32,713 --> 00:52:35,440 the song that went uh, and to this day 709 00:52:35,441 --> 00:52:41,324 I don�t know that I�ve ever heard it. I don�t know if it�s a real song or if it 710 00:52:41,325 --> 00:52:45,023 was one he just made up. But uh it goes something like uh 711 00:52:45,024 --> 00:52:49,500 [SINGS] mean to me, why must you be so mean to me. 712 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: [SINGS] Mean to me. How can you be mean to me? 713 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Oh how you can you be mean. 714 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,167 JOHN MARTIN: So yeah he was crazy about her and she had him at her beck and call. 715 00:53:09,168 --> 00:53:13,333 In other words she didn�t care. She could go off for a week and not 716 00:53:13,334 --> 00:53:17,731 even think about him and he would just agonize the whole week. You know that 717 00:53:17,732 --> 00:53:21,500 one poem about the confused old man driving around in the rain. 718 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:29,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Is it, is that Cupcake? No. 719 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,500 B-ROLL 720 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Oh all right. Go ahead. 721 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:42,500 You are waiting for her, yeah? No? 722 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: No. She, she�ll be mad for a week. 723 00:53:48,000 --> 00:54:39,500 B-ROLL 724 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,361 JOHN MARTIN: I remember once going over 725 00:54:42,362 --> 00:54:47,203 to his place on Carlton Way and there was a beat up old couch on the porch 726 00:54:47,204 --> 00:54:51,321 in front and here�s these two absolutely untouched beautiful blonde 727 00:54:51,322 --> 00:54:54,529 Dutch girls waiting for him to come home. 728 00:54:54,530 --> 00:54:56,899 And they wanted to know where he was. 729 00:54:56,900 --> 00:55:01,638 I said well I guess he�s at the track but I�m meeting him at five o�clock and 730 00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:04,094 they said oh we want to see Bukowski. 731 00:55:04,095 --> 00:55:08,500 I said well what do you want to see him for? She said oh to fuck him. 732 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,986 While reading your book, “Women”, one could get the impression that for 733 00:55:11,987 --> 00:55:14,500 you a woman is nothing more than a behind and a pair of tits. 734 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,117 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Oh come on. 735 00:55:17,118 --> 00:55:19,439 You read it and that�s all you got? You didn�t even get the parts where I, 736 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,624 I cried in bed because tears came to my face because I�m, I invited two women 737 00:55:21,625 --> 00:55:23,500 to have Thanksgiving me and uh I didn�t know which one to go to. 738 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:42,746 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I mean no there are many moments in there where I look like 739 00:55:42,747 --> 00:55:48,713 a complete asshole and I felt like one. No, no I, I was just an, I just wasn�t 740 00:55:48,714 --> 00:55:54,301 jumping into bed and fucking and jumping out of bed. I�m sorry. It would 741 00:55:54,302 --> 00:56:00,500 be nice for me to say that and pretend I�m a tough guy but I�m not that tough. 742 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:06,500 But in your stories, love is always a synonym for sexual intercourse. 743 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,500 That�s not too romantic is it? 744 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,316 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Where do you get this crap baby? 745 00:56:12,317 --> 00:56:18,864 Love is a dog from hell. That�s all. It has its own agonies. 746 00:56:18,865 --> 00:56:25,501 It brings its own agonies with it. But I mean I don�t know where you get your 747 00:56:25,502 --> 00:56:29,500 concepts from man. You�re really fucked up. 748 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,440 SEAN PENN: You know I remember that there was a moment where he and I 749 00:56:35,441 --> 00:56:39,500 talked about it in the sense that uh accusations of misogyny. 750 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:46,168 SEAN PENN ACTOR, DIRECTOR SEAN PEAN: Uh he said it really simply. You know 751 00:56:46,169 --> 00:56:51,680 everybody who�s read it knows that on a percentage basis uh I treat men worse 752 00:56:51,681 --> 00:56:57,126 every time. You know? And uh, uh and, and in essence he does because so, so 753 00:56:57,127 --> 00:57:02,500 much is autobiographical and its about making mistakes in a messy world. 754 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:09,559 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Oh this is called uh The Shower. We liked to shower 755 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:16,680 afterwards. I liked the water hotter than she and her face is always soft 756 00:57:16,681 --> 00:57:24,383 and peaceful and she�ll wash me first, spread the soap over my balls, lift the 757 00:57:24,384 --> 00:57:31,500 balls, squeeze them, then wash the cock. Hey this thing is still hard. 758 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:41,328 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Then get all the hair down there, the belly, the back, 759 00:57:41,329 --> 00:57:49,873 the neck, the legs. I grin, grin, grin and then I wash her. Another kiss and she 760 00:57:49,874 --> 00:57:58,289 gets out first toweling, sometimes singing while I stay in, turn the water 761 00:57:58,290 --> 00:58:08,500 on hotter, feeling the good times of love�s miracle. Linda you brought it to me. Sorry. 762 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:18,542 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: When you take it away, do it slowly and easily. Make it 763 00:58:18,543 --> 00:58:23,529 as if I were dying in my sleep instead of in my life, amen. See? 764 00:58:23,530 --> 00:58:33,500 I�m getting this way, sentimental. Shit. Sorry. 765 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,145 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: That�s the one that 766 00:58:37,146 --> 00:58:40,500 I split with after five years. It�s not a very good reading. 767 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:50,150 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Linda. I read you the wrong poem. 768 00:58:50,151 --> 00:58:59,500 Shit. Getting softer and softer kid. 769 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,182 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: And during that 770 00:59:02,183 --> 00:59:07,169 time I met him at a poetry reading in L.A. at the Troubadour but he was still 771 00:59:07,170 --> 00:59:11,726 doing all this research with women so I had no intention of becoming 772 00:59:11,727 --> 00:59:16,603 a girlfriend or anything. So we just sort of evolved a friendship and I was 773 00:59:16,604 --> 00:59:19,088 somebody he�d always call on the phone 774 00:59:19,089 --> 00:59:24,057 and he�d talk to me about all these other women and then it just got more 775 00:59:24,058 --> 00:59:29,258 and more involved and the women uh came in and out and went through his life 776 00:59:29,259 --> 00:59:32,500 and finally he uh, his research was complete. 777 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,253 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: And I ended up there. 778 00:59:36,254 --> 00:59:39,500 They were all gone. He got rid of them. 779 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:46,379 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: When they started coming around I said now I�m going to 780 00:59:46,380 --> 00:59:49,711 catch up on all that I haven�t had you 781 00:59:49,712 --> 00:59:56,637 see. One night I was in bed with six different women in a, in a row. 782 00:59:56,638 --> 00:59:59,889 I felt, God I must be something. 783 00:59:59,890 --> 01:00:06,820 But I wasn�t you know. I was just catching up on my own background. 784 01:00:06,821 --> 01:00:10,654 So finally I got ashamed of what I was doing and I stopped. 785 01:00:10,655 --> 01:00:14,500 But I got a novel out of it anyhow. Yeah. 786 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Fair to middle and how�s yours? 787 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,500 What about that cross over there on the mirror? 788 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: That, well that�s Germany. 789 01:00:30,501 --> 01:00:35,500 I was born there see. This reminds me. 790 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:37,500 You know what kind of cross it is? 791 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:39,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Not really. 792 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Iron cross. 793 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,583 JOHN MARTIN: He had published little fragments in magazines and in, and little chapbooks about his early life 794 01:00:48,584 --> 01:00:51,800 and I really wanted him to write a, a novel about his life from the time he was born basically until he graduated from high school. 795 01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:59,500 BUKOWSKI AND HIS MOTHER CIRCA 1923 796 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,500 INTERVIEWER: What about this book that you�re writing now? The book on childhood. 797 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,048 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Three quarters finished. 798 01:01:07,049 --> 01:01:14,096 It�s a horror story and uh it�s been harder to write than 799 01:01:14,097 --> 01:01:21,404 theothers but I�ve tried to put in some likeness and some humor so we won�t 800 01:01:21,405 --> 01:01:26,500 really feel the other grimness of uh my childhood. 801 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,445 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: When he finally got 802 01:01:30,446 --> 01:01:35,147 to the point where he could write about his childhood I think that was a 803 01:01:35,148 --> 01:01:40,239 cathartic experience for him. I mean it was a struggle for him to write it and 804 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:45,330 it took many years for him to get, even get to that point to be able to get, 805 01:01:45,331 --> 01:01:47,694 get back in there and re-, relive it 806 01:01:47,695 --> 01:01:52,223 somewhat by typing it out and remembering certain terrible things. 807 01:01:52,224 --> 01:01:57,370 And uh but I think by doing that it really um, it, it relinquished him from 808 01:01:57,371 --> 01:02:01,500 a lot of, of those terrors and those terrible experiences. 809 01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,574 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Bukowski�s 810 01:02:03,575 --> 01:02:07,284 grandfather came from Germany and somehow ended up in Pasadena, 811 01:02:07,285 --> 01:02:09,384 California where apparently he was a 812 01:02:09,385 --> 01:02:13,931 building contractor. And he had several children, one of whom of course was 813 01:02:13,932 --> 01:02:15,762 Henry Bukowski senior who was a 814 01:02:15,763 --> 01:02:20,603 doughboy and went back to Germany as an American soldier and in the little town 815 01:02:20,604 --> 01:02:22,815 of Anderknock en Rein met Bukowski�s mother. 816 01:02:22,816 --> 01:02:26,500 They get together and Hank is conceived and born. 817 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,320 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: And they stay in Anderknock for a couple of years then 818 01:02:32,321 --> 01:02:36,580 come to the U.S. back to Los Angeles and Bukowski�s father was a milk 819 01:02:36,581 --> 01:02:41,120 deliveryman for a while, had a lot of odd jobs. They didn�t have a lot of money 820 01:02:41,121 --> 01:02:43,447 but they had a pretty nice place 821 01:02:43,448 --> 01:02:47,500 on Longwood Avenue finally, at least by the Depression years. 822 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:55,651 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Twenty-one, Twenty- two Longwood Avenue. 823 01:02:55,652 --> 01:03:02,671 The house of horrors. The house of agony. The house where I was almost done in 824 01:03:02,672 --> 01:03:09,131 but not quite done. I�m still here you see. Uh this is the lawn that I 825 01:03:09,132 --> 01:03:15,500 manicured. I had to mow it both ways. This way first then this way. 826 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:23,517 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And I had to get all the hairs with the sheers. If I missed 827 01:03:23,518 --> 01:03:29,784 one hair I got a beating, one hair. It�s very hard not to miss one hair. 828 01:03:29,785 --> 01:03:36,295 Try it some time. So I always got a beating. The old man had a razor strap 829 01:03:36,296 --> 01:03:43,500 he used to hang here and he�d just take it off, drop your pants and your shorts. 830 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:51,034 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I would stand about here and he would begin. And I don�t 831 01:03:51,035 --> 01:03:57,149 know how many lashes he�d give me but they�d be hard, eight, ten, twelve, 832 01:03:57,150 --> 01:04:03,157 fourteen. Of course you can�t help screaming especially when you�re 833 01:04:03,158 --> 01:04:06,102 six years old, seven years old. 834 01:04:06,103 --> 01:04:11,500 As I got around to be about ten or eleven or twelve I screamed less. 835 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:19,914 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Instead I, last beating I got I didn�t scream at all. 836 01:04:19,915 --> 01:04:27,108 I just didn�t make a sound. And I guess that terrorized him because that was 837 01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:34,305 the last one when I didn�t make a sound. So it�s just a terrible place to stand 838 01:04:34,306 --> 01:04:41,500 and talk about it. I really don�t want to talk about it too much. 839 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: He was cruel man. He beat me and beat me. 840 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,972 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: She, she was German 841 01:04:51,973 --> 01:04:58,237 and her expression was while he was beating me your father is always right. 842 01:04:58,238 --> 01:05:04,449 That�s all there was to it. I guess he was right now and then but I figure 843 01:05:04,450 --> 01:05:09,500 about eighty-six percent of the time he was wrong as hell. 844 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,095 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Hank�s father�s values 845 01:05:12,096 --> 01:05:15,702 were probably normal American values. There�s nothing evil about him 846 01:05:15,703 --> 01:05:17,815 at that level. Beating a child was evil. 847 01:05:17,816 --> 01:05:21,405 There�s the evil part. On the other hand that was the tradition. 848 01:05:21,406 --> 01:05:22,960 People did it all through the centuries. 849 01:05:22,961 --> 01:05:27,195 If you go back to Leviticus if your son speaks against you you�re 850 01:05:27,196 --> 01:05:31,212 able to kill him. So we�ve come a long way since then you know. 851 01:05:31,213 --> 01:05:34,500 It�s not like Henry Bukowski was alone in the beating of the son. 852 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:37,500 BUKOWSKI PAINTING OF HIS FATHER 853 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,373 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And sometimes I feel it happening to me you know when I�m 854 01:05:43,374 --> 01:05:47,804 arguing with a woman or something I feel kind of shitty and crappy and I�m 855 01:05:47,805 --> 01:05:52,254 not quite just and sometimes I sense my father�s blood in me, 856 01:05:52,255 --> 01:05:55,500 the chicken shit blood that I�ve got in me. It�s a bad feeling. 857 01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,541 BEVERLY KNOX: This is a picture of Hank 858 01:05:59,542 --> 01:06:04,494 from his high school graduation and this is a picture that�s been touched 859 01:06:04,495 --> 01:06:09,199 up as you can see. His face was really quite pock marked. It was very noticeable. 860 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,500 He wasn�t interested in having his picture taken. 861 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,321 BEVERLY KNOX: He made sure that he was never 862 01:06:18,322 --> 01:06:20,500 in any of the pictures that the kids took. 863 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:26,996 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: We all know what acne is but acne vulgaris is sort of a, 864 01:06:26,997 --> 01:06:32,316 an exaggerated form of that ailment and he had to go all the way across town to 865 01:06:32,317 --> 01:06:37,577 a doctor. They would stick into all of these horrible huge puss filled things 866 01:06:37,578 --> 01:06:42,500 on his face and on his neck and all over his back, his arms and chest. 867 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,500 BUKOWSKI�S HIGH SCHOOL ROTC PHOTO, 1939 868 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,845 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: It finally manifests physically when you�re 869 01:06:50,846 --> 01:06:53,767 put down like that continually over years and years, physically, 870 01:06:53,768 --> 01:06:56,500 emotionally, mentally in every way. 871 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,111 JOHN MARTIN: You know that wonderful 872 01:07:00,112 --> 01:07:04,332 chapter in Ham on Rye where he�s standing outside his senior prom too 873 01:07:04,333 --> 01:07:06,640 disfigured to go in and too ashamed disfigured to go 874 01:07:06,641 --> 01:07:11,316 in and he had wrapped toilet paper around his head and then punched eye holes. 875 01:07:11,317 --> 01:07:13,642 And the bleeding acne had come, 876 01:07:13,643 --> 01:07:18,291 was starting to come through the toilet paper and he just stood there and 877 01:07:18,292 --> 01:07:22,901 watched all of the other children graduating from high school and having 878 01:07:22,902 --> 01:07:26,500 a wonderful time while he stood out there in the dark. 879 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,358 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I was on some fucking 880 01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:37,901 bus with a girlfriend and here came a guy walking toward us looking 881 01:07:37,902 --> 01:07:41,105 for a back seat. His scars were deeper 882 01:07:41,106 --> 01:07:46,500 than mine and you know want to know something? I was jealous. 883 01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:58,252 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Yeah. I said Jesus. I said did you see him? She said yes I did. 884 01:07:58,253 --> 01:08:04,500 I said oh shit. What a beautiful man he was. 885 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:10,141 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Hank actually stayed with his parents quite a long time for 886 01:08:10,142 --> 01:08:12,623 a guy who was brutalized. I have some 887 01:08:12,624 --> 01:08:17,786 photos in 1944 and there�s Bukowski with his mother and father in the back 888 01:08:17,787 --> 01:08:22,679 yard of the house on Longwood. The three of them are standing together 889 01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,281 getting a photo. So he may have hated 890 01:08:25,282 --> 01:08:29,500 them in a certain way but he always returned to the nest. 891 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,500 Why do you drive such a long way to the laundry? 892 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,918 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Because other laundries use soap that make you itch 893 01:08:37,919 --> 01:08:41,500 and all that. So this is the best laundry in town that�s all. 894 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,500 B-ROLL 895 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:52,873 BONO: Too much, too little, too fast, too thin or nobody. Strangers with 896 01:08:52,874 --> 01:08:59,228 faces like the backs of thumb tacks. Armies running through streets of blood 897 01:08:59,229 --> 01:09:05,291 waving wine bottles. Bayoneting and fucking virgins. Or an old guy 898 01:09:05,292 --> 01:09:09,500 in a cheap room with a photograph of Marilyn Monroe. 899 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:15,756 BONO: There is a loneliness in this world so great but you can see it in 900 01:09:15,757 --> 01:09:18,079 the slow movement in the hands of a clock. 901 01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:22,922 People so tired, mutilated either by love or by no love. People 902 01:09:22,923 --> 01:09:25,480 are just not good to each other one on one. 903 01:09:25,481 --> 01:09:30,662 The rich are not good to the rich. The poor are not good to the poor. 904 01:09:30,663 --> 01:09:36,500 We�re afraid. Our educational system tells us that we can all be big ass winners. 905 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:43,879 BONO: It hasn�t told us about the gutters or the suicides or the terror 906 01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:50,084 of one person aching in one place alone. The beads will swing. The clouds 907 01:09:50,085 --> 01:09:56,803 will cloud and the killer will behead a child like taking a bite out of an ice 908 01:09:56,804 --> 01:10:02,500 cream cone. Too much. Too little. Too fast. Too thin. Or nobody. 909 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:08,595 BONO: More haters than lovers. People are not good to each other. Perhaps if 910 01:10:08,596 --> 01:10:11,258 they were our deaths would not be so 911 01:10:11,259 --> 01:10:17,025 sad. Meanwhile I look at young girls skin, flowers of chance. There must be 912 01:10:17,026 --> 01:10:23,035 a way. Surely there must be a way we�ve not yet thought of. Who put this brain 913 01:10:23,036 --> 01:10:29,500 inside of me? It cries. It demands. It says there�s a chance. It will not say no. 914 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,500 B-ROLL 915 01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:40,500 By 1978, Bukowski was ready to leave the courtyards and apartments of East Hollywood 916 01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:50,500 He and Linda bought a house in San Pedro, California. 917 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,091 TAYLOR HACKFORD: As Linda, the second Linda, 918 01:10:54,092 --> 01:10:57,665 came into his life she hung in there and he knew that she really cared 919 01:10:57,666 --> 01:11:01,498 about him and she was there to stay. She could hold her own with, with a lot 920 01:11:01,499 --> 01:11:05,479 of Bukowski�s uh you know wild friends but ultimately she had a certain focus 921 01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:09,098 and I give her a lot of credit for saving his life. I mean at a certain point 922 01:11:09,099 --> 01:11:13,117 you know she got him out of East Hollywood. They bought a place down 923 01:11:13,118 --> 01:11:17,089 in San Pedro. It�s a great part of Los Angeles. Not people really know about. 924 01:11:17,090 --> 01:11:20,500 And you know probably added about ten years to Bukowski�s life. 925 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,905 TAYLOR HACKFORD: Basically it allowed him a different part of his life. 926 01:11:24,906 --> 01:11:27,500 He continued to write and he continued to get more and more famous. 927 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,309 TOM WAITS: He wrote through it all and as he became more popular and became 928 01:11:31,310 --> 01:11:32,423 more successful and famous really 929 01:11:32,424 --> 01:11:34,772 he wrote about that. So he took you all the way from flophouses to San Pedro 930 01:11:34,773 --> 01:11:38,342 and where he�s living in a nice house with you know neighbors who play golf and uh you know a nice car and uh so 931 01:11:38,343 --> 01:11:41,500 he, he took you, he let you, he let you go with him on a journey which was really great for me. 932 01:11:43,000 --> 01:12:00,500 TOM WAITS MUSICIAN 933 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,812 TOM WAITS: And that�s something 934 01:12:03,813 --> 01:12:08,500 I looked up to, to take you uh down the path with him. 935 01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,083 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Barbe Schroeder 936 01:12:11,084 --> 01:12:15,843 didn�t have enough money to make Barfly the film yet and so he decided to get 937 01:12:15,844 --> 01:12:19,710 some professional people and do a documentary on Hank, 938 01:12:19,711 --> 01:12:24,066 sort of interviewing him over a period of several months coming over here 939 01:12:24,067 --> 01:12:26,711 on weekends for hours after hour after hour 940 01:12:26,712 --> 01:12:31,223 and sitting inside and outside. And one night he was interviewing Hank 941 01:12:31,224 --> 01:12:36,253 and it had been a long day and Hank had had three or four, five or six bottles 942 01:12:36,254 --> 01:12:39,500 of wine and he was getting a little belligerent. 943 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,932 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I�ve always been used 944 01:12:43,933 --> 01:12:49,795 because I�m a good guy. And women when they meet me they say I can use this 945 01:12:49,796 --> 01:12:55,774 son of a bitch. I can push him around. He�s an easygoing guy. So they do it. 946 01:12:55,775 --> 01:12:59,500 Do you know finally I get to resent it a bit? 947 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,500 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: What do you resent? 948 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Just being pushed. 949 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,500 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Pushed? 950 01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:14,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Yeah. Just being pushed. 951 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,750 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Why do you let yourself be pushed by this kind of shit 952 01:13:18,751 --> 01:13:21,500 you idiot? Why do you allow yourself to be pushed by this sort of thing? 953 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,732 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I�ve told you a thousand times to leave. You won�t leave. 954 01:13:24,733 --> 01:13:27,100 I told you I�m going to get an attorney to tell you to leave. 955 01:13:27,135 --> 01:13:28,684 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: [TALKING OVER] Wait a minute. 956 01:13:28,685 --> 01:13:31,689 a minute. anything to do with it. That, that doesn�t have 957 01:13:31,690 --> 01:13:35,500 anything to do with it. Why do you continually allow yourself to be pushed? 958 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,100 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Because I�m kind hearted. 959 01:13:39,101 --> 01:13:41,500 I give the other person another chance. 960 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:50,124 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Mmm hmm. I�ve given you dozens of chances. But you keep 961 01:13:50,125 --> 01:13:56,414 pushing and pushing. And you keep laughing at me. That�s why I�m going to 962 01:13:56,415 --> 01:14:02,699 tell you I�m getting an attorney. I�m going to get your ass moved out of here. 963 01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:09,500 She thinks I don�t have the guts. She thinks I can�t live without her. 964 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,788 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I can move your ass 965 01:14:12,789 --> 01:14:18,890 out of here so bright and so fast with a Jewish attorney. You�re going to feel 966 01:14:18,891 --> 01:14:25,500 like your ass is skinned. You think you�re the last woman on earth that I can get. 967 01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,589 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Yeah well you better 968 01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:36,500 start thinking. I�m turning you over to the next. 969 01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,180 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Next guy. He can have you. 970 01:14:41,181 --> 01:14:45,539 I won�t be the least bit jealous. If your [INAUDIBLE] the bullshit all 971 01:14:45,540 --> 01:14:50,500 your goddamn stay out every night bullshit. I don�t need the kind of woman you are. 972 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:56,117 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Night after night going out what good are you? I�m going 973 01:14:56,118 --> 01:15:00,181 to get my Jewish lawyer out of you, out, on you and he�s going to get you 974 01:15:00,182 --> 01:15:04,342 out of this house. Get out. And I mean it was just mortifying. 975 01:15:04,343 --> 01:15:06,246 And he, the camera was rolling 976 01:15:06,247 --> 01:15:09,500 I mean they had a perfect thing going there. This is pretty exciting. 977 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,500 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Why are you so offended by me doing something else? 978 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:16,687 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Because I live 979 01:15:16,688 --> 01:15:19,500 with a woman or she lives with me she doesn�t live with other people? 980 01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:21,308 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: I do live with 981 01:15:21,309 --> 01:15:23,500 other people and I�m going to for the rest of my life. 982 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I know. I�m going to turn you over to them. You see? 983 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,500 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: [TALKING OVER] No, no, no, no. 984 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,346 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Fuck, shit. 985 01:15:32,347 --> 01:15:37,891 You fucking cunt. You think you walk out on me every fucking night. 986 01:15:37,892 --> 01:15:42,886 You fucking whore. You bitch. Who do you think you, I am? Just I�m going 987 01:15:42,887 --> 01:15:46,500 to do this, sleep with other people. You fucking shit. 988 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,500 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: [SIMULTANEOUS CONVERSATION] I didn�t. 989 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:56,471 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: That�s when I got my guts. I never took it again. Never. 990 01:15:56,472 --> 01:15:59,217 The next time he tried that I said 991 01:15:59,218 --> 01:16:04,925 you son of a bitch you can, you can scream your ass off at, at the clouds 992 01:16:04,926 --> 01:16:08,360 in the sky and at yourself but you�re not going to do it to me. 993 01:16:08,361 --> 01:16:13,212 I�m not going to take it anymore. And I�d just get up, 994 01:16:13,213 --> 01:16:19,500 walk up the stairs and I�d listen to him ranting and raving down here at nobody. 995 01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,777 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Sometimes it�d go on for about thirty minutes. 996 01:16:22,778 --> 01:16:25,500 And just, just screaming out. 997 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,500 B-ROLL 998 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,518 In 1987, shooting began on “Barfly”, directed by Barbet Schroeder 999 01:16:33,553 --> 01:16:36,037 BARBET SCHROEDER: Mickey Rourke, he didn�t like the idea of rehearsal. 1000 01:16:36,038 --> 01:16:39,634 Faye Dunaway she was ready to rehearse as much as possible 1001 01:16:39,635 --> 01:16:42,188 and I wanted to rehearse because when 1002 01:16:42,189 --> 01:16:47,500 you�re on a tight schedule like that m-, much better if you�re rehearsed. 1003 01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:49,500 BARBET SCHROEDER DIRECTOR OF “BARFLY” 1004 01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,155 BARBET SCHROEDER: But uh no. So we had 1005 01:16:52,156 --> 01:16:55,500 to do uh without it and I guess he wanted to stay fresh. 1006 01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,191 LIZA WILLIAMS: Well how could Mickey Rourke portray Hank? 1007 01:17:00,192 --> 01:17:03,469 It�s an impossibility. Why didn�t they get some old duffer? They wanted 1008 01:17:03,470 --> 01:17:05,897 Mickey Rourke to be uh Humphrey Bogart and pick up 1009 01:17:05,898 --> 01:17:09,642 girls in the bar. Hank wasn�t like that really. I remember there was some 1010 01:17:09,643 --> 01:17:14,500 really beautiful girls in there which weren�t at all the kind of girls that Hank went after. 1011 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,500 LIZA WILLIAMS COLUMNIST, GIRLFRIEND 1012 01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,500 LIZA WILLIAMS: He went after people who were slightly damaged. 1013 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:28,259 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: He really over did it. You know the hair hanging down and 1014 01:17:28,260 --> 01:17:31,094 I don�t think the kid�s ever been on skid row you know. 1015 01:17:31,095 --> 01:17:36,285 When the guy walks in and he says oh I�ve been missed. 1016 01:17:36,286 --> 01:17:41,643 I should run for mayor. He didn�t get it right because I�d walk in and I�d 1017 01:17:41,644 --> 01:17:44,117 say oh I�ve been missed. I guess I 1018 01:17:44,118 --> 01:17:49,500 should run for mayor. See you don�t brag it. It�s low key all the time. 1019 01:17:50,000 --> 01:18:00,105 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: He had it all kind of exaggerated, untrue, a little bit show 1020 01:18:00,106 --> 01:18:06,500 off about it. So uh no it was kind of mis-done. 1021 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,500 Hank�s experience making “Barfly” inspired him to write another novel. 1022 01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,268 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And I found out that 1023 01:18:15,269 --> 01:18:19,863 Hollywood is more crooked and dumber, crueler, stupider than all the books 1024 01:18:19,864 --> 01:18:21,963 I�ve read about it. They didn�t go 1025 01:18:21,964 --> 01:18:26,327 deeply enough into how it lacks art and soul and heart. How it�s really 1026 01:18:26,362 --> 01:18:29,085 a piece of crap. There are too many hands directing. 1027 01:18:29,086 --> 01:18:33,763 There are too many fingers in the pot and they�re all kind of 1028 01:18:33,764 --> 01:18:35,966 ignorant about what they�re doing. 1029 01:18:35,967 --> 01:18:40,500 They�re greedy and they�re vicious. They don�t get much of a movie. 1030 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,231 BONO: I never got to meet him while I was reading him. It was only later 1031 01:18:44,232 --> 01:18:46,215 after a really drunken night with Sean Penn back in my house in Dublin 1032 01:18:46,216 --> 01:18:47,500 talking uh stupid rhymes really. 1033 01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:57,500 BONO FAN 1034 01:18:59,000 --> 01:18:59,726 SEAN PENN: And he found out that he was a great fan of Hanks and I said you 1035 01:18:59,727 --> 01:19:00,500 know I said that he was a friend of mine. So he, he said no, no. I said yeah. 1036 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:07,500 SEAN PENN FRIEND 1037 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,680 BONO: He was reciting you know some of Hank�s verse and, and, and me back to 1038 01:19:11,681 --> 01:19:14,500 him and he got up, excused himself to make a phone call. 1039 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:21,559 SEAN PENN: And he says hey kid hell, where the hell are you? I said well I�m 1040 01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,427 over here in Ireland and I�m with Bono. 1041 01:19:24,428 --> 01:19:29,500 And he says uh you know not. I said ask Linda. He says who�s Bono. 1042 01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,741 BONO: It turns out that Hank�s old lady 1043 01:19:32,742 --> 01:19:36,178 had been to every U2 show uh since we came, since we were like kids like a 1044 01:19:36,179 --> 01:19:37,991 garage band. She�d been to every one of them. 1045 01:19:37,992 --> 01:19:40,500 She�d been to more U2 shows than I�d been to. 1046 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,230 SEAN PENN: And then he�s back on saying 1047 01:19:43,231 --> 01:19:45,500 you know if you guys play out here we want to come. Well sure enough. 1048 01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:51,514 BONO: Invited him down, invited the two of them down when we next played Los 1049 01:19:51,515 --> 01:19:55,500 Angeles, not ever thinking that he would come. But they did come. 1050 01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:01,230 SEAN PENN: And he was fascinating to him that the world had come to, 1051 01:20:01,231 --> 01:20:05,575 you know this wasn�t a political rally. This was musicians on stage and this 1052 01:20:05,576 --> 01:20:10,318 many people and this kind of fandom and this, all of a sudden in the middle of 1053 01:20:10,319 --> 01:20:12,922 the show uh he says, he comes to the microphone 1054 01:20:12,923 --> 01:20:16,500 and he says this is for Charles and Linda Bukowski. 1055 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,356 BONO: And I think we got to the old fucker uh because uh you know he, 1056 01:20:21,357 --> 01:20:23,500 I think we might have moved him a little bit. 1057 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:29,674 SEAN PENN: The crowd went crazy. They knew who he was. And he was taken 1058 01:20:29,675 --> 01:20:31,849 off guard. You know uh he really was 1059 01:20:31,850 --> 01:20:36,500 and he got emotional I think and he and Linda danced to the song together. 1060 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,710 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Bukowski was 1061 01:20:39,711 --> 01:20:43,870 fortunate enough to see in his own lifetime his own work be translated 1062 01:20:43,871 --> 01:20:46,057 into I don�t know, God knows how many 1063 01:20:46,058 --> 01:20:50,546 languages to make him more than a comfortable living and to go out in you 1064 01:20:50,547 --> 01:20:52,872 know thirty or forty printings. 1065 01:20:52,873 --> 01:20:57,403 And you know that�s a very rare thing for a poet. If he hadn�t made any money and 1066 01:20:57,404 --> 01:21:00,202 yet he had been able to do all the writing 1067 01:21:00,203 --> 01:21:04,500 that would have been enough for him. I�m absolutely convinced of that. 1068 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,149 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: And he would have worked in a candy store if he had to or 1069 01:21:08,150 --> 01:21:09,713 shining shoes or he would have stayed 1070 01:21:09,714 --> 01:21:12,500 at the post office and retired on some piddly ass little thing. 1071 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:15,576 CARL WEISSNER: I�m afraid I have to agree with John William Corrington and 1072 01:21:15,577 --> 01:21:16,500 the prediction that he made in what 1962. 1073 01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,500 CARL WEISSNER FRIEND and GERMAN TRANSLATOR 1074 01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:26,528 CARL WEISSNER: He was totally right. He said by the end of the century Bukowski 1075 01:21:26,529 --> 01:21:30,660 will be known as the guy who has liberated poetry from the clutches of 1076 01:21:30,661 --> 01:21:34,624 the academics and did what Wordsworth was attempting to do and what 1077 01:21:34,625 --> 01:21:36,936 [INAUDIBLE] actually did. You know this 1078 01:21:36,937 --> 01:21:41,500 is the company that he put him in sixty - two and nobody had heard of him. 1079 01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:43,500 Are you afraid of death? 1080 01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:45,500 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: No. 1081 01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:51,500 How old would you like to be? 1082 01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:59,067 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: It�s not a matter of how old you can become, how long you 1083 01:21:59,068 --> 01:22:05,614 can go having all your moxy. So I can�t answer that. Because I think my life is 1084 01:22:05,615 --> 01:22:11,599 dwindling now. You know I went to the track today. I came back from the track. 1085 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:17,500 I looked down and I had on one black shoe and one brown shoe. 1086 01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:24,250 CHARLES BUKOWSKI: So I said even though I won two hundred and twelve dollars 1087 01:22:24,251 --> 01:22:29,500 betting on horses I looked down and I said the light is dwindling old boy. 1088 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,500 B-ROLL 1089 01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,964 In 1988, Hank contracted tuberculosis 1090 01:22:37,965 --> 01:22:44,500 He lost 60 pounds. He drank no alcohol for several months. 1091 01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:53,500 After recovering, he rarely engaged in heavy drinking again. 1092 01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,308 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: He continued to lessen the amount of alcohol intake 1093 01:22:59,309 --> 01:23:03,916 over the years even though he, that meant he had to be less than his myth. 1094 01:23:03,917 --> 01:23:08,501 I think he found a kind of confidence in himself of course when he became 1095 01:23:08,502 --> 01:23:10,961 successful. And that took away 1096 01:23:10,962 --> 01:23:15,500 a lot of the um psychological pressure that had been on him for so many years. 1097 01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,725 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: He didn�t need to react so much. 1098 01:23:19,726 --> 01:23:25,470 He knew that he was a cause of goodness and that he could be 1099 01:23:25,471 --> 01:23:31,169 a cause of goodness and um I don�t think he felt that way about himself 1100 01:23:31,170 --> 01:23:35,500 in the past, in his early years or in his mid years even. 1101 01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:42,261 TOM WAITS: And by the time he got to The Last Night of the Earth Poems he�s 1102 01:23:42,262 --> 01:23:47,522 really a wise man and a very thoughtful man and, and was not afraid to be 1103 01:23:47,523 --> 01:23:53,242 vulnerable. He was uh turning the, the ball around in front of you and let you 1104 01:23:53,243 --> 01:23:56,500 see as many sides as he could see himself. 1105 01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:03,476 JOHN MARTIN: There�s a thing called the new formulism and there�s 1106 01:24:03,477 --> 01:24:08,733 a little group of people called the new formalists and they want to go back to 1107 01:24:08,734 --> 01:24:14,558 sonnets and you know poetry at its most structured. And to me that�s exactly 1108 01:24:14,559 --> 01:24:17,489 the wrong way poetry should be headed. 1109 01:24:17,490 --> 01:24:22,500 Oh this is a little New Year�s reading that we did called Art. 1110 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,547 JOHN MARTIN: And it�s one of his greatest poems. 1111 01:24:26,548 --> 01:24:29,500 It�s just one word above the other. 1112 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:35,625 JOHN MARTIN: As the spirit wanes the form appears. As an artist or a poet 1113 01:24:35,626 --> 01:24:41,324 or anybody loses his spirit, that first brought them into whatever they do, 1114 01:24:41,325 --> 01:24:46,579 as that wanes they do get more concerned with form and trying to 1115 01:24:46,580 --> 01:24:52,500 cover up the fact that they�re not writing as well anymore by writing formal work. 1116 01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:58,885 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Pulp dedicated to bad writing. 1117 01:24:58,886 --> 01:25:03,839 That�s just is the Bukowski story right there. Not that he wrote badly but that 1118 01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:07,678 he took chances. That was an older man�s novel and yet it�s 1119 01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:12,955 so filled with a younger man�s inventiveness and suppleness. 1120 01:25:12,956 --> 01:25:18,262 Hollywood got in L.A. let�s say from this way and Pulp got in L.A. this way. 1121 01:25:18,263 --> 01:25:21,500 Right? And Ham and Rye got in L.A. this way. 1122 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,078 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Think about it. 1123 01:25:25,079 --> 01:25:29,570 And then the short story came on L.A. that way and then the poems rushed 1124 01:25:29,571 --> 01:25:33,425 down the freeway this way. You know it was that ruined landscape 1125 01:25:33,426 --> 01:25:36,623 of Los Angeles that he wrote about. Pulp of course is a pure fantasy. 1126 01:25:36,624 --> 01:25:38,912 It isn�t the real life Bukowski. So a 1127 01:25:38,913 --> 01:25:43,426 fantasy though it�s the life of the mind was something that was always 1128 01:25:43,427 --> 01:25:45,735 on his mind. The man was dying. 1129 01:25:45,736 --> 01:25:49,500 He was nearing the end of his life and he writes about lady death. 1130 01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:55,500 NEELI CHERKOVSKI: That�s how he dealt with his dying, to make art out of it. 1131 01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:04,500 In March 1993, Bukowski was diagnosed with leukemia 1132 01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:05,500 He battled the disease for a year. 1133 01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:11,602 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: It had been a long haul and it was coming to the end 1134 01:26:11,603 --> 01:26:17,350 and he was in and out of consciousness in the room at the hospital. We were just 1135 01:26:17,351 --> 01:26:22,845 sitting there with him not, just whispering gently a little bit and just 1136 01:26:22,846 --> 01:26:25,756 being around him. And uh I was 1137 01:26:25,757 --> 01:26:31,500 sort of sitting a few feet by, towards his feet and his head was in front of me. 1138 01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:40,652 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: And, and I had been looking over on the other side of his 1139 01:26:40,653 --> 01:26:48,598 bed to Marina his daughter and, and uh I glanced at Hank and there were um, 1140 01:26:48,599 --> 01:26:55,950 he was emitting from his mouth um little puffs like puh, puh, just gentle 1141 01:26:55,951 --> 01:27:03,500 little puffs. And I instantly realized that these were his last breaths. 1142 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:14,187 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: I knew that that was what was happening then and in a, 1143 01:27:14,188 --> 01:27:24,373 in a matter of several seconds I suppose well I got up to him to come to 1144 01:27:24,374 --> 01:27:34,527 his face and hold him and um that happened a few more moments. 1145 01:27:34,528 --> 01:27:39,068 And then he left and um … at that 1146 01:27:39,069 --> 01:27:47,500 moment his face became s-, absolutely transparent and serene. 1147 01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:58,773 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Every, every wrinkly scar or tension, everything 1148 01:27:58,774 --> 01:28:09,112 completely relaxed and there was an utter tranquility that existed and 1149 01:28:09,113 --> 01:28:20,976 permeated everything at that point. And it was so gentle and so pure and um … 1150 01:28:20,977 --> 01:28:27,500 he had a smooth face like a newborn baby. 1151 01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:37,500 LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: It was just so smooth and soft like that. 1152 01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:43,515 HARRY DEAN STANTON: There�s a bluebird in my heart that wants to get out 1153 01:28:43,516 --> 01:28:46,230 but I�m too tough for him. I say stay in there. 1154 01:28:46,231 --> 01:28:50,316 I�m not going to let anybody see you. There�s a bluebird in my heart 1155 01:28:50,317 --> 01:28:54,550 that wants to get out but I pour whiskey on him and inhale cigarette smoke 1156 01:28:54,551 --> 01:28:57,297 and the whores and the bartenders 1157 01:28:57,298 --> 01:29:00,500 and the grocery clerks never know that he�s in there. 1158 01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,921 HARRY DEAN STANTON: There�s a bluebird in my heart 1159 01:29:03,922 --> 01:29:08,267 that wants to get out. But I�m too tough for him. I say stay down. 1160 01:29:08,268 --> 01:29:11,167 Do you want to mess me up? Do you want to screw up the works? 1161 01:29:11,168 --> 01:29:15,719 Do you want to blow my book sales in Europe? There�s a bluebird in my heart 1162 01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,125 that wants to get out. But I�m too clever. 1163 01:29:18,126 --> 01:29:23,358 I only let him out at night sometimes when everybody�s asleep. 1164 01:29:23,359 --> 01:29:26,201 I say I know you�re there so don�t be sad. 1165 01:29:26,402 --> 01:29:30,500 Then I put him back but he�s singing a little in there. 1166 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:38,407 HARRY DEAN STANTON: I haven�t quite let him die. And we sleep together like 1167 01:29:38,408 --> 01:29:41,421 that with our secret pact. 1168 01:29:41,422 --> 01:29:46,500 And it�s nice enough to make a man weep but I don�t weep. Do you? 1169 01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:51,500 B-ROLL 1170 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,000 THE END 1171 01:29:56,305 --> 01:30:56,398 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today116567

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