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PICTURE UP, B-ROLL
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Hey
Dennis. Dennis you're
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running this mother fucking show.
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I'am going to quit halfway
through the end unless I get
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another bottle of wine
sitting by me. Okay?
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WOMAN IN AUDIENCE:
Dennis! Get him a bottle!
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For Christ's sake Dennis!
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a PICTURES FROM EARTH presentation
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STEVE RICHMOND: Bukowski was
telling me if you're parents begin
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to like their work it's getting bad
you know and if the cops are around
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something good must be happening.
And what you need is life. Your work
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has to be alive and you�ve got to you know
drink, write and fuck. That was his advice.
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MAN: And I heard him flick
his bick and then I heard
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sssssss, like the singing
of hair you know and I looked
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over and I could see him in the,
he had this, the, the flame was up
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really high and he, and he went
like ssss and then he went rrrrrrr.
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BARBET SCHROEDER: He
called me and said um you
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motherfucker. You put something
in my wine. And I said no I
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didn�t. He said yes. He said you put LSD
in my wine because you want to fuck my wife.
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LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Oh yeah the time
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he pulled this blade on the maitre�d
at the Polo Lounge. There was that.
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JOHN MARTIN: And the cop says you know
what are you doing? Stop. And he said
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I�m going to throw the
couch through the window
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and the cop drew his gun
and he said no you�re not.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: But they caught me
in the bar in the old days. He was a
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good duker. And that�s
the ultimate compliment.
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NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Finally I see him
across the street from me and he�s
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unzipped himself and he�s taking
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his cock out and he�s not waving it but
he�s, it�s just dangling there and he�s
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running up and down the street and
people are screaming and horrified. And
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finally they gather around him.
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Call the police. Call the, covering their
children�s eyes. Call the police.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: The creative act
is done at that goddamn machine right
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here. See this fucking
thing? That�s where it�s done.
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LIZA WILLIAMS: He talks a lot about
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his sexual prowess. He referred
to his penis as his purple onion.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I saw
him looking me and I ducked
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quickly forward ducking my head
into the night. Move quickly
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forward. You never say duck and
ducking. That�s the first thing
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you learn you know. But I fucked
it up because I�m drunk on wine.
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BUKOWSKI
BORN INTO THIS
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Forgive me. You
have my soul and I have your money.
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B-ROLL
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INTERVIEWER: Why?
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I�ll tell you why.
All of the, sometime in my life this
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time might come a little bit. Like
guys marching in on me with cameras and
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all that shit. Somehow I almost felt
it and knew it. And I was always going
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to crash it down and say
f-, jam it up your ass.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: You know uh the
young blondes with the tight pussies
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came too late.
The cameras came too late.
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Don�t grin at me like that.
It�s true. They came too late. I�m
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too strong. The gods have really put
a good shield over me man. They really
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have. I�ve been toughened
up at the right time
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and the right place.
They�re still good to me.
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B-ROLL
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TAYLOR HACKFORD: Once Ferlinghetti up
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in San Francisco invited Bukowski to
go to San Francisco to read at the City
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Lights Poet�s Theater. I had never heard
him read actually. It was very interesting.
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TAYLOR HACKFORD: We just
met. We started to develop
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a relationship and bang this
thing happened. So I said
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I�m going to travel. Now
I had this, this miniscule budget.
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I decided to
shoot in black and white.
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LAWRENCE FERLINGHETTI: City Lights in
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the last year has started presenting
American poets who I believe are major
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writers in this country and at the
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moment like what else is
happening be-, besides Bukowski?
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TAYLOR HACKFORD: We go up in the
plane. He�s drinking scotch. He got
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pretty drunk and a little silly.
And I was shooting the whole thing.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI:
No I�ll be all right.
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I�ll be all right. I�ll be all right.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I wish I were more
nervous. You read better when you�re a
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little nervous you know. Really it�s like you know
before a fight or something. You�re nervous.
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TAYLOR HACKFORD: He arrives in
San Francisco for this reading at
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Ferlinghetti�s Poet�s Theater and
my God it was like the second coming.
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B-ROLL
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TAYLOR HACKFORD: We walked into this
big gymnasium and there were bleachers
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set up and you know there were like
six, seven hundred people there.
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LAWRENCE FERLINGHETTI:
They�re lining up around the corner.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Do you have a little
pot on the stage I can vomit in?
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: [TALKING OVER] No
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I�m not kidding. No cheap Italian
wine man. You guys really fucked me up.
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TAYLOR HACKFORD: He was a little drunk
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and I think he was building himself
up and I think he was a little scared.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I�m in great shape. Down here.
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LAWRENCE FERLINGHETTI: Here we go.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Oh shit.
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LAWRENCE FERLINGHETTI: Ladies and
gentlemen, Charles Bukowski.
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B-ROLL
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TAYLOR HACKFORD: In the poetry
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readings he did in Los Angeles where
there would be fifteen people, twenty
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people. You know get thirty people it
was a crowd. And here we walked into
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hundreds and hundreds and
it was a loud rowdy audience.
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WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Do I know you? One
more beer. I�ll take you all, all of you.
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B-ROLL
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TAYLOR HACKFORD: And at the same time
it was a certain electricity in the
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air. But he didn�t have to share the
podium. This was a Bukowski event.
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B-ROLL
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TAYLOR HACKFORD: Bukowski was a fairly
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well known underground figure in Los
Angeles at the time because he wrote a
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column at the L.A. Free Press called
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the Notes of a Dirty Old Man. One week
he wrote this article in there about
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going to San Francisco to read and
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having these uh punk asshole uh stupid
filmmakers along and he was trying to
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kind of help them along and organizing
this and that because these people
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bumble through and asking
stupid questions and so on.
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TAYLOR HACKFORD: It was quite an
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entertaining kind of funny piece. So
I read it and I, I, you know I saw him
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later and I said uh, I said hey, I said
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I read that article. He says yeah
baby what�d you think? I said well I
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thought it was full of shit man.
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I said I, I, you forget I have the film.
You�re the guy who�s drunk on the plane
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making a fool out of yourself and you
made me. He says hey baby when I write
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I�m the hero of my shit. And he says
you got your film, you do your film.
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B-ROLL
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born like this into this as the
chalk faces smile as Mrs. Death laughs
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as political landscapes dissolve as the
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oily fish sit out their oily prey
we are born like this, into this
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into hospitals which are so expensive
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that it�s cheaper to die into lawyers
who charge so much it�s cheaper to
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plead guilty into a country where the
jails are full and the madhouses closed
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into a place where the masses
elevate fools into rich heroes
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born into this walking and living
through this dying because of this
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castrated debauched
disinherited because of this
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: The fingers reach
toward an unresponsive god. The
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fingers reach for the bottle, the
pill, the powder. We are born into the
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sorrowful deadliness. There will
be open and unpunished murder in the
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streets. It will be guns and roving
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mobs. Land will be useless. Food
will become a diminishing return.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Nuclear power will
be taken over by the many. Explosions
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will continually shake the earth.
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Radiated men will eat the flesh of
radiated men. The rotting bodies of
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men and animals will stink in the
dark wind. And there will be the most
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beautiful silence never heard.
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Born out of that, the sun hidden
there, awaiting the next chapter.
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B-ROLL
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LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: His full name
was Henry Charles Bukowski, Jr. and his
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father called him Henry with a very
strong gruff voice so Hank was sort of
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the nickname for Henry. And Charles,
just Charles Bukowski and especially
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being a writer sounded a little
better than Henry Bukowski.
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LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI
WIFE
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Shit I don�t know if
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I can make this on just two bottles.
It may be a three bottle reading.
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B-ROLL
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Liquor�s like a
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symphony or like a classical song
or something. You don�t use it as a
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downer. You use it as to leap up into
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the sky when you�re in pain or
when you, you have this pressure.
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B-ROLL
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I am a slugger.
Now if I start reading this poem.
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MAN IN AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And I hear this
man�s voice rising above the sound of
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my poem I�m going to go over to him
and kick his living ass right out of the
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city physically. I�m going to kick his
ass right out of this goddamn hall.
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So watch it man. I�ll take
you like a motherfucker.
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B-ROLL
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Hank when did you realize you were a
writer that you had this talent?
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Nobody ever realizes they�re a writer
They only think they�re a writer.
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So when did you think you were a writer?
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Well I was, I guess
I was about uh thirteen years old.
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Then I was covered with these boils and
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uh my first writing I did I had
this notebook, you know for school.
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I just found a pencil and I started writing.
and I filled this notebook full of words.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And I guess that was
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the first time the
mechanism had exposed itself.
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And it felt pretty good sitting there
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writing in a notebook with the
pencil. And I wrote on and on
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And it seemed ve-, a
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very easy, nice thing to do and it
still remains an easy nice thing to do.
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NEELI CHERKOVSKI: I would say after
that he was a writer. That was it. He
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was going to L.A. City College.
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It�s still there on Vermont. And he
walked into the journalism class.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I had two years
of college but I didn�t do anything. I
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just laid on the lawn you know and
missed classes and uh I couldn�t get a
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job as a journalist. They said fill
out on an application and we�ll let you
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know. And it�s a very hard job to
get on a newspaper. It�s a very hard.
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So it was not your decision that you
didn�t work as a journalist?
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: No if they, I think
if they had of hired me I would have
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been a journalist. In a way I�m glad they
didn�t because what could I write about?
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B-ROLL
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In December, 1941 the U.S. became
directly involved in World War II
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Bukowski was 21 years old
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Oh no.
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How did you manage not to go there?
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: The psychiatrist
would not take me.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: He asked me do you
believe in the war. I said no. Are you
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willing to, to go to the war? I
said yes. He said you�re a very
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intelligent man uh you come to a party
at my house next Wednesday night. We�re
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going to have artists,
writers, painters, lawyers.
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B-ROLL
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: We want you, I want
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you to come to my party next Wednesday
night. Will you come to my party?
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I said no.
He said okay you can go.
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I said what do you mean I can go. He
said you don�t have to go to the war.
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I have to shoot a portrait now.
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INTERVIEWER: Well let�s get this
picture out of the way.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: All right.
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INTERVIEWER: [INAUDIBLE].
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Close together?
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B-ROLL
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What is your definition of sex?
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Sex is something you
can, you do when you can�t sleep.
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Who was your first woman?
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Well that was the
three hundred pound whore.
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Jesus Christ.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I didn�t have my
first piece of ass until I was twenty- four years old.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Well I wasn�t a pretty guy.
I didn�t have any money. I was a bum.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: [TALKING OVER] Sorry
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you know. Like I never went to the
high school ball or nothing like that.
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I was an outcast. So I met this lady
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in a bar and uh she seemed to like me,
first woman that ever liked me you know.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: She was big but she
was a woman. What the hell? And I was
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drunk and she was drunk. We drank
our beer and then I got into it. So I
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worked and I worked and I worked and I
worked because I wanted to prove I was
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a man you know the first time.
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Boy I really tried. I said boy if
this is sex it sure is lousy.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: This is what they�re
talking about in the high school locker
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rooms? So I finally, I don�t know if I
made it. I probably did. But anyhow I
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woke up and we�re both laying there and
she�s snoring on her back. And I look
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over this huge beast is laying there. And
we�d broken the bed both legs and the butt.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: We were like on a
hill. The bed was down like that. So
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then you know uh I rushed to my pants
and my wallet was missing. So I said
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you fucking whore you took my wallet.
She said no, no, no I didn�t. And I
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said get out of here you bitch.
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I said I know that you�ve got up your
cunt. There�s room up there.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I started to learn
how to talk this way then. And I tied
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up the legs. I was tying up the legs
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of the bed. I reached under there and
I felt something on the rug. It was my
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wallet. I said oh that poor old girl.
I felt awful you know. Forget the
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image. I have a heart.
And I said oh shit.
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She may not have been
much but I used her wrongly.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: So right away I ran
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down to the bar where I�d met her.
Evidently she told the bartender.
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And I walked in and I said listen is
uh I forget her name, I said is Son-, is
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Marie here? He kind of
said we can�t serve you.
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B-ROLL
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Bukowski spent parts of the early
1940s roaming the United States
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NEELI CHERKOVSKI: I think one of the
reasons Bukowski wandered around the
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country was very simply a young man�s
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need to see his country. And I think
the other reason was he wanted to delve
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at the life. He needed experience.
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And so he went, he bought a ticket on a
trail ways and he went all the way to
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Florida, as far as he could go. And he
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said to get as far away from my father
as possible. Probably that�s true.
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NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Then he headed back
through New Orleans and he was in El
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Paso. All through the forties he lived
in one rooming house or one little cold
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water hotel room after another looking
for that golden sentence, you know
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wanting to write that story that
would put him up there in the charts.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I would get a common
laborer�s job somewhere for a week or
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two and then live in a cheap room and
type. Uh I used to live on one candy
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bar a day. Cost a nickel. I always
remember the candy bar. It was called
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Payday. That was my Payday at five
cents. And that candy bar tasted so good.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI:
I�d have it at night.
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I�d take one bite and it was so
beautiful. I wrote four or five short
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stories a week during this time
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and I had them out everywhere.
They came bouncing back.
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TAYLOR HACKFORD: He was looking for
his art and he got rejections. And
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basically what he was getting you�re
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not enough. Not you�re not good.
You�re not good enough. And he heard
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it and he understood it. Now at that
point you can make a choice. Oh well
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to hell with it. Throw it out.
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I�m going to go get a profession, do
something. Bukowski never did that.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I was laying in bed
one night and I said I�ll just quit.
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To hell with it. And another voice in
me said don�t quit. Save a tiny little
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ember, a spark and never give them that
spark because as long as you have that
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spark you can start
the greatest fire again.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I was working at a
lady�s dress shop and they made me work
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two hours overtime.
I still kept the spark.
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I said I will not quit. I will
not let them kill me. So I�m walking
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out and uh two guys in the office
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smoking cigars. Hey uh Bukowski come
here a minute. They were laughing at
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me and I knew they were laughing at me
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because I was just a slave and I�m
standing there. So I went home.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: It was a very long
walk and I remember the trees were
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frozen. It was a winter. It was in
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St. Louis. And the landlady had
put these letters under my door.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And I opened the one
and it said we�ve accepted you�re short story.
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I said oh. The fire I saved
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has a chance. But the funniest
thing is they took a bad story.
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B-ROLL
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But out of hundreds of stories that
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Bukowski submitted,
only a few were published
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NEELI CHERKOVSKI: The young writer
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growing up in the thirties and forties
wanted to be in Harper�s, Atlantic
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Monthly. That�s where Hemingway and
Cerulean, that�s where the heroes published.
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JOYCE FANTE: I don�t think it was quite the market for uh. The main magazines during the forties were pretty much published by eastern intellectuals. John Steinbeck had a, a hard time getting recognized. Western writers just were not very much appreciated and, and uh recognized as they are today.
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JOYCE FANTE
WIFE OF AUTHOR JOHN FANTE
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By the late 1940s, Bukowski was
back in Los Angeles to stay.
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Here he met the woman who
became his first girlfriend.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I was twenty-four,
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twenty-five. She was around thirty-
five. And she just accepted me.
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JOHN MARTIN: It was the first woman
he ever really had a relationship with.
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She was ten years older than he was. She
was born in 1910 and he was born in 1920.
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DOM MUTO: Uh he seemed to be all alone
except for this woman he lived with
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that he would refer to sometimes uh in a
derogatory way, the way men refer to women.
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DOM MUTO
BUKOWSKI COWORKER
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DOM MUTO: Uh I saw her once and it fit
his description of her, which was she
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had a fat ass and it was good to
lean up against in the wintertime.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: She had beautiful
legs. Wore high heels. Knew how to
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cross her legs with the skirt just so,
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kicking the heel like this and
talking all kinds of shit you know.
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DOM MUTO: Uh if you like them big.
You know? She did not, she did not
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have the good looks of a, of a, of
sophistication or a classy woman.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: With beautiful legs
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you always figure even though you�ve
only been there once or twice there
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might be something else up there
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besides a cunt. You know? There might
be something really marvelous this time.
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It could be a cunt but it could
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be something about looking at the legs
makes you dream. Not saying there�s
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anything wrong with a cunt but I�m
saying you always imagine some extra
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magic when you�re looking at
the outside portion of a female.
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JOHN MARTIN: She would just take off
for a month and leave him and then come
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back only because she�d exhausted all
those opportunities out there or was
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sick and tired of what was going there
and would come back to him. He was
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kind of like a home base only. They
didn�t have a really domestic life together.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: It was continuous
going into bars, getting into trouble,
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getting kicked out of rooms.
It was a tension that just—
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HARRY DEAN STANTON V.O.: To find your
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lady already drunk, dirty dishes in
the sink, the dog unfed, the flowers un
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watered, the bed unmade, the ashtrays full
of punched out lipstick smeared cigarettes.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Those days were so
long. We were always drunk, getting
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kicked out. It was like being
in a war that never really ended.
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HARRY DEAN STANTON: Oh you asshole.
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What are you doing in there? Playing
with yourself? You goddamned whore,
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what do you know about anything? Sit down
on your dead ass and suck it at the vino.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: But there was
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a liveliness there because we both
didn�t care for shit you know.
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HARRY DEAN STANTON V.O.: Don�t hit me.
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Don�t hit me. You�d hit me but you
wouldn�t hit a man. Hell no I wouldn�t
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hit a man. Do you think I�m crazy? Hey
where the hell are you going? I�m going
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to the fucking bar. Not without
me. Not without me buster.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And I thought
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I really had something.
I did. I had lots of trouble.
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HARRY DEAN STANTON V.O.:
To get our stools,
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to sit before the long mirror,
to tell the bartender vodka seven.
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Everything was far away then. The post
office, the world, the past and the future.
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HARRY DEAN STANTON: To have our drinks
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arrive to take the first hit in the
dark bar. Life couldn�t get any better.
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What�s your definition of love?
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Love? It�s kind
of like you know you see a fog in the
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morning when you wake up
before the sun comes out?
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It�s just that little
while and then it burns away.
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Really?
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Yeah. Quickly.
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It�s just, love is a fog that burns
with the first daylight of reality.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Okay well this is
the post office where I carried mail
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for two and a half years coming up.
That was a terrible place for me.
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In April 1952, Hank took a job
with the U.S. Post Office.
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DOM MUTO: There was about four or five
of us that were substitute carriers at
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the Oakwood station. I think
especially first impressions were bad
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with him. The guy was, was uh didn�t
wear clothes well. And he himself was
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big which could have been an asset but he
carried himself like a big gallut you know.
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DOM MUTO: And he had this heavy face
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with these heavy features
that had to grow on you.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Here it is. See
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what a? United States Post Office.
Two and a half years of hell, pure hell.
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DOM MUTO: Oh he hated it but don�t
blame the job. It was him. He just
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hated rules and regulations. He did as
little as possible and he and the boss
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were enemies and at odds and the boss
saw to it that he got all the dirty
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crap whenever he could
dish it out to him.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I wasn�t
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enthusiastic about my job as the others
were. In fact I hated it and I guess
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you could tell. And how can you hate
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a good job for the United States
government? Lifetime security.
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NEELI CHERKOVSKI: To the postmaster
of Los Angeles, California,
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please accept my resignation
as a regular carrier
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effective three eleven fifty-five.
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I find this occupation is detrimental to
my health. I am bothered with ulcers
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and the pressure and demands of the job
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are aggravating my condition. The post
office had treated me well. It is only
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that I must seek a more congenial
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occupation and I regret the
severance, Henry C. Bukowski, Jr.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I had ulcers you
know for a couple of years, very painful.
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I ignored them. I thought I was
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a tough guy and I, finally it just
broke open. The blood came out of my
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mouth and my ass and uh you�d be
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surprised how much blood there is in
a person. It keeps coming. And it�s purple.
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Anyhow they took me to the
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County General Hospital and uh
that was a rough trip.
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B-ROLL
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: As I left the
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hospital a doctor told me you take
one more drink and you�re dead.
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See doctors lie to you often. I was
supposed to die and uh I just didn�t.
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And it kind of felt like uh I had a
free life, an extra life to work with.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI:
So I came out of there,
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got a job driving a truck,
drank a lot of beer each night,
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bought a typewriter and, and uh just
started typing. Only this time it all
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came out poetry. The
prose had gone somewhere.
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JOHN MARTIN: It�s like the man who
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rose from the dead and he had a whole
new life to live and he did. I mean I
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think that�s often the case with
a near fatal illness in mid-life.
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It sends someone off in an entirely
rejuvenated direction.
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CHARLES BUKOWSKI: So I started writing
hundreds of poems and sending them out.
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You know poetry doesn�t pay anything
but it was just the form I needed to
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kind of a passionate, pleasurable
selfish nice form where you could
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scream a little bit. You know? I
guess I needed to scream a little bit.
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NEELI CHERKOVSKI: All I can say is
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that while he was drinking all through
the fifties and sixties he produced
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more poetry than almost any other
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person on the planet that I know of.
The discipline of sending those poems
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out because you get lazy.
You have to
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go to the stationary shop and get the
hundred envelopes and you have to go to
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the post office and get, maybe the fact
that he worked in the post office.
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It takes an enormous amount of
energy and he did it every day.
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WILLIAM PACKARD: I was asking someone
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what Freud would have thought of the
twentieth century and she said there�s
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one thing Freud could not have foreseen, Walt
Disney making everything cheap, everything nice.
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WILLIAM PACKARD PUBLISHER
NEW YORK QUARTERLY
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WILLIAM PACKARD: When I wrote something
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about Bukowski to try to justify why I
was publishing him. I said he�s devoted
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to the de-Disneyfication of all of us.
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Someone has to kick the
Mickey Mouse out of our heads.
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LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: He despised Mickey
Mouse, especially his hands. I think he
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has three fingers. He could not handle
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the fact that the power uh over multi
- millions of human beings was in the
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hands of this three fingered foolish
creature that taught you nothing
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00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,813
whatsoever,
that expressed nothing real,
420
00:32:29,814 --> 00:32:34,500
total absurd fucking fantasy,
not even good, not even creative.
421
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,500
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI WIFE
422
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,184
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: He was appalled
423
00:32:44,185 --> 00:32:48,494
by Mickey Mouse. And I said well what
about Walt Disney? He, he was a crazy
424
00:32:48,495 --> 00:32:50,815
sort of a guy. He was eccentric.
425
00:32:50,816 --> 00:32:55,278
He was a genius. He was amazing. He was
a visionary. He had all of these ideas.
426
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:57,559
And he said yeah but for what?
Uh well
427
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,238
I said to expand the uh imaginations
and fantasies of little children.
428
00:33:02,239 --> 00:33:06,524
Yeah to this three fingered son of
a bitch who has no soul for Christ�s sake.
429
00:33:06,525 --> 00:33:09,500
Mickey Mouse doesn�t
have a fucking soul.
430
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,500
B-ROLL
431
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,142
In June 1955, only a few months after
432
00:33:17,143 --> 00:33:20,500
leaving the Post Office,
Bukowski tried to get rehired.
433
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,537
NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Dear sirs I was a
regular carrier Oakwood Station with
434
00:33:25,538 --> 00:33:29,413
over three years service. Last April
I resigned from the service. This letter
435
00:33:29,414 --> 00:33:33,066
is written in hopes that I may be
reinstated as a substitute carrier.
436
00:33:33,067 --> 00:33:35,500
I gave as my reason for
resignation ill health.
437
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,500
NEELI CHERKOVSKY
FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER
438
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,248
NEELI CHERKOVSKI: This I will state
439
00:33:42,249 --> 00:33:47,195
bluntly was an untruth. I realize now
that I was in the wrong and if I had
440
00:33:47,196 --> 00:33:49,593
only taken a little time to cool off
441
00:33:49,594 --> 00:33:54,519
and be objective I never would have
handed in my resignation. I hope to
442
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,926
prove to you that I can be a carrier
443
00:33:56,927 --> 00:34:01,403
worthy of my salt. Oh this is
hilarious. The guy�s talking corny stuff.
444
00:34:01,404 --> 00:34:04,274
Worthy of my salt.
The most un - corny guy
445
00:34:04,275 --> 00:34:09,500
in the world you know. But I
guess he�s thinking of his audience.
446
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,288
NEELI CHERKOVSKI: I promise that should
447
00:34:12,289 --> 00:34:16,922
you decide in my favor that you will
never regret the decision. Sincerely H.
448
00:34:16,923 --> 00:34:21,695
Bukowski, Jr., Los Angeles. You know it
really reads like somebody who grew up
449
00:34:21,696 --> 00:34:25,500
in the depression frankly and
who�d been through hard times.
450
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,500
B-ROLL
451
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,500
Bukowski was finally rehired
at the Post Office in 1958
452
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,500
You spent twelve years
in the post office?
453
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:48,323
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Really about fifteen
because I was a carrier for three years
454
00:34:48,324 --> 00:34:52,500
and then I stuck for twelve,
eleven and half, stuck eleven.
455
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,223
But how could a man like you do that
456
00:34:55,224 --> 00:34:57,500
for such a long time? It�s such
a stupid work only doing this…
457
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,700
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: All my work was
stupid but it was at night, that�s
458
00:35:04,701 --> 00:35:08,500
nights because I can�t
sleep nights anyhow.
459
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,916
TAYLOR HACKFORD: Of course really what
he was doing was getting a place that
460
00:35:12,917 --> 00:35:14,833
could be his little cave to write in.
461
00:35:14,834 --> 00:35:18,510
Once you get into a bureaucracy
like the Post Office it�s a womb and
462
00:35:18,511 --> 00:35:20,501
ultimately he may have hated it but it
463
00:35:20,502 --> 00:35:24,532
was a regular paycheck. He knew he
was going to get retirement. It was the
464
00:35:24,533 --> 00:35:26,649
thing that he made work for himself.
465
00:35:26,650 --> 00:35:30,500
He never really thought in his mind
that he could live off his writing.
466
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,062
FRANCEYE: He was Bukowski the loner who
467
00:35:34,063 --> 00:35:38,344
never gets lonely. When he was drunk he
had to have some companionship.
468
00:35:38,345 --> 00:35:42,319
And he found my letter and it had my
phone number and that was why he called
469
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,500
me. He was very charismatic anyway but
when he was drunk he was even more so.
470
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,400
FRANCEYE: And so it was like meeting a,
an elemental force of some sort.
471
00:35:53,401 --> 00:35:58,345
When I met him he was going to work at
the post office at night and he would
472
00:35:58,346 --> 00:36:01,298
write every day before
he went to work.
473
00:36:01,299 --> 00:36:06,676
And so he didn�t see me very often. I
had been having unprotected sex for two
474
00:36:06,677 --> 00:36:08,928
or three years, ever since I got
475
00:36:08,929 --> 00:36:13,500
divorced and I did not think
that I was going to get pregnant.
476
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:21,185
FRANCEYE: So when I did get pregnant I
think that it had to do with the change
477
00:36:21,186 --> 00:36:24,211
in my uh emotional um state because
478
00:36:24,212 --> 00:36:30,501
my reaction to Kennedy�s assassination.
Anyway I did get pregnant. So I decided
479
00:36:30,502 --> 00:36:33,561
I�ll just talk to Hank and see what he
480
00:36:33,562 --> 00:36:40,082
wants to do. So he suggested right off
that we get married. And he was kind of
481
00:36:40,083 --> 00:36:43,166
taken aback that
I didn�t want to get married.
482
00:36:43,167 --> 00:36:49,500
I really loved him but I did not ever
want to get married again.
483
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:50,500
In the 1960s businessman John Martin built an
impressive collection of first edition books
484
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,444
JOHN MARTIN: I collected everything in
485
00:36:54,445 --> 00:36:59,010
in American literature, Melville,
Henry James, Whitman, Faulkner,
486
00:36:59,011 --> 00:37:01,468
Scott Fitzgerald and then I was looking
487
00:37:01,469 --> 00:37:05,500
for that in post World War II
writing. And I found the Beats.
488
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:11,630
JOHN MARTIN: You know Ginsberg and, and
Kerouac and then one day I picked up a
489
00:37:11,631 --> 00:37:14,388
copy of The Outsider and read Bukowski
490
00:37:14,389 --> 00:37:19,684
and all these people just faded into
the background. This is the first
491
00:37:19,685 --> 00:37:25,645
letter I wrote Bukowski in October 1965
just saying dear Bukowski boy are you
492
00:37:25,646 --> 00:37:28,402
a good poet. I was not a publisher
493
00:37:28,403 --> 00:37:32,500
at that time and I had no idea
that I would become one.
494
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,134
JOHN MARTIN:
I was managing a large office supply
495
00:37:36,135 --> 00:37:41,013
and office furniture and office
printing company in Los Angeles
496
00:37:41,014 --> 00:37:42,974
and the print shop
was under my control.
497
00:37:42,975 --> 00:37:47,780
And after I had talked to Bukowski
and saw the material he had I decided
498
00:37:47,781 --> 00:37:50,157
I was going to do some
broadsides of Bukowski.
499
00:37:50,158 --> 00:37:55,174
A broadside is the most inexpensive
and the least difficult way
500
00:37:55,175 --> 00:37:57,845
to publish anything. You print one side
501
00:37:57,846 --> 00:38:02,500
of a piece of paper with usually
one poem on it or one paragraph.
502
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,739
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: The post office was
503
00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:11,356
a hard gig you know. I�d work all night,
you know eleven years clerking.
504
00:38:11,357 --> 00:38:13,889
Then I had to write, get up and start
505
00:38:13,890 --> 00:38:19,500
drinking and writing, then go to work.
The same thing, get up, drink and write.
506
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,762
JOHN MARTIN: He really did suffer
507
00:38:21,763 --> 00:38:25,979
because first of all he was drinking
too much and he, the fact that he might
508
00:38:25,980 --> 00:38:28,026
skip a day without writing was just
509
00:38:28,027 --> 00:38:32,174
a terror for him. And then in addition
there was a thing there at the post
510
00:38:32,175 --> 00:38:34,237
office called the scheme. It was that
511
00:38:34,238 --> 00:38:38,584
you�d sit in a little Plexiglas box
like a telephone booth. And they�d give
512
00:38:38,585 --> 00:38:42,907
you a hundred pieces of mail and you
have to throw at a certain percentage
513
00:38:42,908 --> 00:38:45,500
of accuracy within a
given amount of time.
514
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,884
FRANCEYE: And that was
a nightmare to him
515
00:38:48,885 --> 00:38:52,500
to imagine that he might fail
the schemes and thus lose his job.
516
00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:00,121
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I couldn�t lift my
arms anymore. They wouldn�t lift up
517
00:39:00,122 --> 00:39:07,500
after a night�s work. So I said you either
got to get out of there or die, go crazy.
518
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:15,981
MARINA BUKOWSKI: I was born on
September 7th, 1964 and I just remember
519
00:39:15,982 --> 00:39:22,500
this little house in Los
Angeles and Hank�s typewriter.
520
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,221
FRANCEYE: Hank worked at night.
521
00:39:26,222 --> 00:39:30,721
Marina didn�t sleep in the daytime.
She didn�t sleep at night either.
522
00:39:30,722 --> 00:39:34,757
I was never getting any sleep. I was
dreadfully unhappy and looking back
523
00:39:34,758 --> 00:39:37,500
I was so sleep deprived
that I was almost insane.
524
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,308
FRANCEYE: And Hank liked a happy woman
525
00:39:41,309 --> 00:39:45,500
in the house. He likes you to be
singing in the kitchen and so on.
526
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,961
FRANCEYE: Well we didn�t really talk
about this until one day he sat down
527
00:39:50,962 --> 00:39:52,976
and said well you�re going
to have to get out.
528
00:39:52,977 --> 00:39:57,277
I�ll pay your rent up to what
I can afford. And we didn�t move very
529
00:39:57,278 --> 00:40:01,467
far away so that he could still see
Marina. I used to take her over to his
530
00:40:01,468 --> 00:40:03,574
place whenever
I ran out of money for food.
531
00:40:03,575 --> 00:40:07,500
I�d call him and say can we
come over for dinner and we did.
532
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,753
MARINA BUKOWSKI: He would make steak
and lima beans, which I loved of course
533
00:40:12,754 --> 00:40:15,201
because he made it. I remember he liked
534
00:40:15,202 --> 00:40:20,283
to rest after he had a big meal and of
course I was little, wanted to play. So
535
00:40:20,284 --> 00:40:25,312
one of the things I liked to play was
Batman and Robin, which went like this.
536
00:40:25,313 --> 00:40:27,617
You be Batman Marina
and you can do things
537
00:40:27,618 --> 00:40:31,500
and I�ll be Robin
because he doesn�t do anything.
538
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,718
MARINA BUKOWSKI: And he would lie on
539
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:42,532
the bed and just sort of snooze and
I would jump on the bed and be Batman.
540
00:40:42,533 --> 00:40:47,110
Certainly I knew my father was very
different than anyone else�s father.
541
00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:51,293
My mom was
very different too and our
542
00:40:51,294 --> 00:40:54,063
lives were different and
all of our friends were different.
543
00:40:54,064 --> 00:41:00,235
So maybe, maybe that led me
to feel it was positive
544
00:41:00,236 --> 00:41:07,500
instead of feeling like I wanted to fit in
with something that I couldn�t fit in with.
545
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI V.O.:
The genius of the crowd.
546
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,236
There is enough treachery, hatred,
violence, Absurdity in the average
547
00:41:18,237 --> 00:41:22,500
human Being To supply any
given army on any given day.
548
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,841
AND The Best At Murder Are Those Who
Preach Against It. AND The Best At Hate
549
00:41:28,842 --> 00:41:34,500
Are Those Who Preach LOVE. And the best at
war - finally - are those who preach peace.
550
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,500
Beware The Average Man The
Average Woman Beware Their LOVE
551
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,360
Their Love Is Average, Seeks Average
But There Is Genius In Their Hatred
552
00:41:48,361 --> 00:41:53,500
There�s Enough Genius In Their
Hatred To Kill You, To Kill Anybody.
553
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,470
Not Wanting Solitude Not Understanding
554
00:41:58,471 --> 00:42:05,500
Solitude They Will Attempt To Destroy
Anything That Differs From Their Own
555
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,500
Not Being Able To Create Art
They Will Not Understand Art
556
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,500
They Will Consider Their Failure As
Creators Only As A Failure Of The World
557
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,330
Not Being Able To Love Fully They Will
558
00:42:22,331 --> 00:42:27,500
BELIEVE Your Love Incomplete
AND THEN THEY WILL HATE YOU
559
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,659
And Their Hatred Will Be Perfect
560
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:42,500
Like A Shining Diamond Like A knife Like
A Mountain LIKE A TIGER LIKE hemlock.
561
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:44,500
Their Finest
ART
562
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,500
CONFESSIONS OF A MAN INSANE ENOUGH
TO LIVE WITH BEASTS 1965 MIMEO PRESS
563
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,587
TAYLOR HACKFORD: John Martin could see.
564
00:42:52,588 --> 00:42:54,500
John Martin could feel
the public out there.
565
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:56,500
2 BY BUKOWSKI
1968 BLACK SPARROW PRESS
566
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,449
TAYLOR HACKFORD: After a certain number
of books John Martin started to realize
567
00:42:59,450 --> 00:43:00,500
that there was going to be
an audience for this writer.
568
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,500
POEMS WRITTEN BEFORE JUMPING OUT OF
AN 8 STORY WINDOW 1968 POETRY XCHANGE
569
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,500
TAYLOR HACKFORD: And that Bukowski
needed to focus himself full time.
570
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,626
TAYLOR HACKFORD: And Bukowski was very
resistant to that. If I go out there
571
00:43:07,627 --> 00:43:08,928
and lose my tenure at the post office
572
00:43:08,929 --> 00:43:11,531
and lose my gig and my ability to
support myself and we fail where do I
573
00:43:11,532 --> 00:43:14,317
go? CHARLES BUKOWSKI: You see this man
came by while I was still in the post
574
00:43:14,318 --> 00:43:17,500
office, John Martin, he publishes my stuff,
the Black Sparrow. He came by one night.
575
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,383
You see this man came by while I was
still in the post office. John Martin,
576
00:43:24,384 --> 00:43:27,500
he publishes my stuff.
The Black Sparrow.
577
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,500
He came by one night.
578
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,912
JOHN MARTIN: We sat down in his little
dingy room and got out a piece of paper
579
00:43:36,913 --> 00:43:39,380
and we figured out
what it costs him to live.
580
00:43:39,381 --> 00:43:44,124
And he was putting down these amounts
like three dollars and fifty cents a month
581
00:43:44,125 --> 00:43:49,439
for cigarettes and nineteen dollars
for food. As I remember this in uh
582
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,839
mid-sixties. Rent was eighty bucks.
583
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,500
Child support was fifteen. And
we came up with a hundred dollars.
584
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,742
JOHN MARTIN: And I said you could really
get along on a hundred dollars a month?
585
00:44:01,743 --> 00:44:05,839
And he said yes. So I said okay
I�ll give you twenty-five percent of my
586
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,804
income for life whether this works or
not but you�ve got to quit and write
587
00:44:09,805 --> 00:44:12,500
full time. Very reckless.
I didn�t tell my wife.
588
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,689
He says, “I�ll give you a hundred
589
00:44:15,690 --> 00:44:19,500
dollars a month for the rest of your
life whether you write anything or not.
590
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,500
That�s pretty good, you know.
591
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,500
Well it gets the rent anyhow it may not
get the child support but it gets the rent.
592
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:31,500
So that gave me some heart, you know?
593
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,786
INTERVIEWER: But didn�t you feel kind
of odd like casting your fate with this
594
00:44:35,787 --> 00:44:37,500
guy with this hard
drinking kind of wild man?
595
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,278
JOHN MARTIN: No because that was
596
00:44:41,279 --> 00:44:45,960
all over ridden by the fact of who he
really was, not the distorted part of him
597
00:44:45,961 --> 00:44:48,331
but what, what he really stood for.
598
00:44:48,332 --> 00:44:53,815
And, and, and, and, and, and what made
him important. I mean I, the first time
599
00:44:53,816 --> 00:44:55,932
I read him I said my God this is
600
00:44:55,933 --> 00:45:01,025
today�s Whitman. This is a man of the
street writing for the people in the street.
601
00:45:01,026 --> 00:45:03,838
And when you get an opportunity where,
602
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:08,500
whether you�re a banker or a,
or a holdup man you go for it.
603
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,743
JOHN MARTIN: And there was Bukowski and
I thought if this guy will commit his
604
00:45:13,744 --> 00:45:16,155
future work to me that�ll start me off.
605
00:45:16,156 --> 00:45:21,040
I said to him at the end of uh 1969 I
know you�re a poet and that�s what I�m
606
00:45:21,041 --> 00:45:23,422
planning to publish and that�s why
607
00:45:23,423 --> 00:45:28,560
I�m starting Black Sparrow Press to publish
your poetry but if you ever could write
608
00:45:28,561 --> 00:45:30,780
a novel that would be really great
609
00:45:30,781 --> 00:45:34,500
because novels sell a lot
better than books of poetry.
610
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,245
JOHN MARTIN: But never thinking that he
could and would. So he started work for me
611
00:45:41,246 --> 00:45:43,508
at one hundred dollars a month on
612
00:45:43,509 --> 00:45:48,785
January 2nd, 1970. And he called me
around the twenty-fifth of January and
613
00:45:48,786 --> 00:45:51,353
said in kind of a low-key
way come and pick it up.
614
00:45:51,354 --> 00:45:56,756
I said well pick up what? And he said
my novel. You said to write a novel
615
00:45:56,757 --> 00:46:03,500
And I said how, how could you write a novel
in three or four weeks? And he said fear.
616
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:09,197
NEELI CHERKOVSKI: He hated the pastoral
beginnings. It was a beautiful land,
617
00:46:09,198 --> 00:46:11,738
rugged, ever snow capped mountains
618
00:46:11,739 --> 00:46:17,161
in the distance and Tom Haney came along
in his old jalopy. You know that, that
619
00:46:17,162 --> 00:46:22,591
oh my God Bukowski would say. Why, why
did I start with crap like that?
620
00:46:22,592 --> 00:46:25,098
That isn�t real. And so how does
post office begin?
621
00:46:25,099 --> 00:46:29,500
What was the first line?
It began as a mistake.
622
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,168
NEELI CHERKOVSKI: I mean what a great
opening. Then, then the reader thinks
623
00:46:35,169 --> 00:46:39,500
well what began as a mistake? My life
you know as a postal worker for twelve
624
00:46:39,501 --> 00:46:43,958
years and here�s the story. What did
he finally do? For all the pain,
625
00:46:43,959 --> 00:46:47,500
for all the trouble of working there
he brings us a humorous novel.
626
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:55,148
DOM MUTO: My name is Dom Muto right. He
changed it to Tom which is legitimate,
627
00:46:55,149 --> 00:47:00,751
Moto which is Japanese. I mean
didn�t he, didn�t he realize that st-,
628
00:47:00,752 --> 00:47:07,199
[LAUGHS]. No slur against the Japanese.
It�s, it�s a, you know it�s a wonderful
629
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,148
name either way
but where�s his creativity?
630
00:47:10,149 --> 00:47:15,500
He could have called me Graziano
or something you know.
631
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:17,500
INTERVIEWER: Was the book accurate?
632
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,500
DOM MUTO: The book was accurate.
633
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,487
TOM WAITS: You know my dad spend
a lot of time in the bars
634
00:47:24,488 --> 00:47:29,788
so I was drawn to, to places
like that dark places.
635
00:47:29,789 --> 00:47:34,790
My dad drank in the afternoon in really
dark bars. And um so I, I guess that�s
636
00:47:34,791 --> 00:47:37,575
how it began and of
course it�s much more than that.
637
00:47:37,576 --> 00:47:40,062
But, but uh the place that I hooked
638
00:47:40,063 --> 00:47:45,319
into him was the fact that he was
um, seemed to be a writer with common
639
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:51,106
people and street people and looking in
the corners of, the dark corners where
640
00:47:51,107 --> 00:47:55,500
no one seems to want to go
and certainly not write about.
641
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:04,377
TOM WAITS: And um so yeah he seemed
like the, he was the writer for the
642
00:48:04,378 --> 00:48:09,500
dispossessed and he
really didn�t have a voice.
643
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,952
JOHN MARTIN: I sold that collection
644
00:48:12,953 --> 00:48:16,806
to the University of California, Santa
Barbara, for fifty thousand dollars.
645
00:48:16,807 --> 00:48:18,725
They were all first edition. This is
646
00:48:18,726 --> 00:48:22,509
back in the mid-sixties and fifty
thousand dollars is fifty thousand dollars.
647
00:48:22,510 --> 00:48:24,618
And that�s what I started with.
648
00:48:24,619 --> 00:48:28,833
And by the, after about two years
or three years because I wasn�t working,
649
00:48:28,834 --> 00:48:32,803
I had no other income, I got down to
five hundred dollars. And I thought
650
00:48:32,804 --> 00:48:36,500
well it�s back to work. This has
been a great run but it�s over.
651
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,796
JOHN MARTIN: And then that week for the
first time more money came in then went
652
00:48:41,797 --> 00:48:44,500
out. And at that point
Bukowski and I were on our way.
653
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,500
B-ROLL
654
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,500
In 1975, Bukowski
published his second novel.
655
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,408
The protagonist Henry Chinaski drifts
656
00:48:57,409 --> 00:49:04,500
from town to town drinking, fighting
and working numerous blue-collar jobs
657
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,048
CARL WEISSNER: Anybody feeling the ups
and downs in a capital society feels
658
00:49:08,049 --> 00:49:09,639
good reading about a guy who�s actually
659
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,942
preaching the refusal to work. But what
[INAUDIBLE] preaches is the refusal
660
00:49:12,943 --> 00:49:15,912
to work not the negation of the
Protestant work ethic but you know
661
00:49:15,913 --> 00:49:19,500
as a fundamental wrongness of it all, the
incredible waste of a life dictated by others.
662
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:32,500
CARL WEISSNER FRIEND
and GERMAN TRANSLATOR
663
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,500
STEVE RICHMOND: He was a magic man.
I saw him shrink once actually.
664
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:39,500
Steve Richmond
FRIEND, POET
665
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:40,987
STEVE RICHMOND: He, I was at uh,
666
00:49:40,988 --> 00:49:43,014
Linda King had a party and she invited me
and I should, I probably shouldn�t have
667
00:49:43,015 --> 00:49:45,026
gone because he didn�t invite me.
Linda King was ferociously flirting with
668
00:49:45,027 --> 00:49:46,500
every man there, it was
very awkward, kind of silly.
669
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,500
LINDA KING
ARTIST, GIRLFRIEND
670
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,825
STEVE RICHMOND:
So at the end of the party
671
00:49:54,826 --> 00:49:58,930
there�s like eight or nine people
left and I�m next to the door and then
672
00:49:58,931 --> 00:50:03,049
out of nowhere he�s, he�s at the door,
there�s eight or nine of us and he just
673
00:50:03,050 --> 00:50:06,906
started this rage. He�s about six
foot, five eleven, six foot and I was
674
00:50:06,907 --> 00:50:08,817
watching him and I didn�t understand
675
00:50:08,818 --> 00:50:13,008
any of his words but it was a volcano
erupting. And everybody�s kind of st-,
676
00:50:13,009 --> 00:50:16,837
stuck in place. And he started, I�m
looking at him. And he started
677
00:50:16,838 --> 00:50:20,500
to reduce, reduce in size and height
proportionally I swear to God.
678
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,913
STEVE RICHMOND: I sw-, I believe in
679
00:50:23,914 --> 00:50:28,230
God. I swear to God he was two and a
half feet tall. As uh, as I see my hand
680
00:50:28,231 --> 00:50:32,562
now you know I saw him do it and I just
didn�t want to, I didn�t want him
681
00:50:32,563 --> 00:50:36,500
to get big again so I turned around
and went right out the front door.
682
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,630
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I was with my
girlfriend and she had her foot up there.
683
00:50:43,631 --> 00:50:50,100
I was going in circles in the street,
stopping, starting, stunting.
684
00:50:50,101 --> 00:50:56,646
Her heel did that when she�s bracing herself.
She thought we were going to die
685
00:50:56,647 --> 00:50:59,826
but we didn�t. It�s a nice design.
686
00:50:59,827 --> 00:51:04,500
I like it. The car�s
beginning to look like me.
687
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,561
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: You know I used to
think a long time ago I was too ugly
688
00:51:09,562 --> 00:51:13,875
for women but I found out women
are very strong people. If you have
689
00:51:13,876 --> 00:51:18,602
something good to give them you know
like your feelings women are strong.
690
00:51:18,603 --> 00:51:21,010
They, they don�t care
if you have one arm
691
00:51:21,011 --> 00:51:25,500
or five fingers missing or
your nose blown off. If you just—
692
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,500
No such luck
693
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,524
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Women was the book
that Hank was writing, was it,
694
00:51:39,525 --> 00:51:41,949
when I met him. Yes as a matter of fact
because he was doing um what he called
695
00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:44,550
research. It started out with a woman
who he had been with for a long time,
696
00:51:44,551 --> 00:51:46,500
Linda King and uh he was
sort of breaking up with her.
697
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:53,500
LINDA KING
ARTIST, GIRLFRIEND
698
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,182
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: When he got a
little bit of notoriety women started
699
00:51:59,183 --> 00:52:01,640
coming to him
and he had the opportunity
700
00:52:01,641 --> 00:52:05,398
to sort of take his pick and just
sort of have experiences and
701
00:52:05,399 --> 00:52:09,598
uh like a child almost. He was
discovering this whole world of women
702
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:11,835
in a way that he hadn�t.
703
00:52:11,836 --> 00:52:15,500
And then he was involved with this
other one named Cupcakes O�Brien.
704
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,122
PAM MIILLER: I thought of him
more as a friend.
705
00:52:20,123 --> 00:52:24,539
He was to me more of a father figure
and I didn�t take the
706
00:52:24,540 --> 00:52:27,509
relationship that seriously.
I can�t say
707
00:52:27,544 --> 00:52:32,712
that I ever was in love with him.
He would sing to me occasionally
708
00:52:32,713 --> 00:52:35,440
the song that went uh, and to this day
709
00:52:35,441 --> 00:52:41,324
I don�t know that I�ve ever heard it.
I don�t know if it�s a real song or if it
710
00:52:41,325 --> 00:52:45,023
was one he just made up.
But uh it goes something like uh
711
00:52:45,024 --> 00:52:49,500
[SINGS] mean to me,
why must you be so mean to me.
712
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: [SINGS] Mean to me.
How can you be mean to me?
713
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Oh how you can
you be mean.
714
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,167
JOHN MARTIN: So yeah he was crazy about
her and she had him at her beck and call.
715
00:53:09,168 --> 00:53:13,333
In other words she didn�t care.
She could go off for a week and not
716
00:53:13,334 --> 00:53:17,731
even think about him and he would just
agonize the whole week. You know that
717
00:53:17,732 --> 00:53:21,500
one poem about the confused old
man driving around in the rain.
718
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:29,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI:
Is it, is that Cupcake? No.
719
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,500
B-ROLL
720
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Oh all right. Go ahead.
721
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:42,500
You are waiting for her, yeah? No?
722
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI:
No. She, she�ll be mad for a week.
723
00:53:48,000 --> 00:54:39,500
B-ROLL
724
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,361
JOHN MARTIN: I remember once going over
725
00:54:42,362 --> 00:54:47,203
to his place on Carlton Way and there
was a beat up old couch on the porch
726
00:54:47,204 --> 00:54:51,321
in front and here�s these two
absolutely untouched beautiful blonde
727
00:54:51,322 --> 00:54:54,529
Dutch girls waiting for
him to come home.
728
00:54:54,530 --> 00:54:56,899
And they wanted to know where he was.
729
00:54:56,900 --> 00:55:01,638
I said well I guess he�s at the track
but I�m meeting him at five o�clock and
730
00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:04,094
they said oh we want to see Bukowski.
731
00:55:04,095 --> 00:55:08,500
I said well what do you want to see
him for? She said oh to fuck him.
732
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,986
While reading your book, “Women”,
one could get the impression that for
733
00:55:11,987 --> 00:55:14,500
you a woman is nothing more
than a behind and a pair of tits.
734
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,117
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Oh come on.
735
00:55:17,118 --> 00:55:19,439
You read it and that�s all you got?
You didn�t even get the parts where I,
736
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,624
I cried in bed because tears came to
my face because I�m, I invited two women
737
00:55:21,625 --> 00:55:23,500
to have Thanksgiving me and uh
I didn�t know which one to go to.
738
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:42,746
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I mean no there are
many moments in there where I look like
739
00:55:42,747 --> 00:55:48,713
a complete asshole and I felt like one.
No, no I, I was just an, I just wasn�t
740
00:55:48,714 --> 00:55:54,301
jumping into bed and fucking and
jumping out of bed. I�m sorry. It would
741
00:55:54,302 --> 00:56:00,500
be nice for me to say that and pretend
I�m a tough guy but I�m not that tough.
742
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:06,500
But in your stories, love is always
a synonym for sexual intercourse.
743
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,500
That�s not too romantic is it?
744
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,316
CHARLES BUKOWSKI:
Where do you get this crap baby?
745
00:56:12,317 --> 00:56:18,864
Love is a dog from hell.
That�s all. It has its own agonies.
746
00:56:18,865 --> 00:56:25,501
It brings its own agonies with it. But
I mean I don�t know where you get your
747
00:56:25,502 --> 00:56:29,500
concepts from man.
You�re really fucked up.
748
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,440
SEAN PENN: You know I remember that
there was a moment where he and I
749
00:56:35,441 --> 00:56:39,500
talked about it in the sense
that uh accusations of misogyny.
750
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:46,168
SEAN PENN ACTOR, DIRECTOR SEAN PEAN:
Uh he said it really simply. You know
751
00:56:46,169 --> 00:56:51,680
everybody who�s read it knows that on
a percentage basis uh I treat men worse
752
00:56:51,681 --> 00:56:57,126
every time. You know? And uh, uh and,
and in essence he does because so, so
753
00:56:57,127 --> 00:57:02,500
much is autobiographical and its
about making mistakes in a messy world.
754
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:09,559
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Oh this is called
uh The Shower. We liked to shower
755
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:16,680
afterwards. I liked the water hotter
than she and her face is always soft
756
00:57:16,681 --> 00:57:24,383
and peaceful and she�ll wash me first,
spread the soap over my balls, lift the
757
00:57:24,384 --> 00:57:31,500
balls, squeeze them, then wash the
cock. Hey this thing is still hard.
758
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:41,328
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Then get all the hair
down there, the belly, the back,
759
00:57:41,329 --> 00:57:49,873
the neck, the legs. I grin, grin, grin and
then I wash her. Another kiss and she
760
00:57:49,874 --> 00:57:58,289
gets out first toweling, sometimes
singing while I stay in, turn the water
761
00:57:58,290 --> 00:58:08,500
on hotter, feeling the good times of love�s
miracle. Linda you brought it to me. Sorry.
762
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:18,542
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: When you take it
away, do it slowly and easily. Make it
763
00:58:18,543 --> 00:58:23,529
as if I were dying in my sleep instead
of in my life, amen. See?
764
00:58:23,530 --> 00:58:33,500
I�m getting this way, sentimental.
Shit. Sorry.
765
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,145
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: That�s the one that
766
00:58:37,146 --> 00:58:40,500
I split with after five years.
It�s not a very good reading.
767
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:50,150
CHARLES BUKOWSKI:
Linda. I read you the wrong poem.
768
00:58:50,151 --> 00:58:59,500
Shit. Getting softer and softer kid.
769
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,182
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: And during that
770
00:59:02,183 --> 00:59:07,169
time I met him at a poetry reading in
L.A. at the Troubadour but he was still
771
00:59:07,170 --> 00:59:11,726
doing all this research with women
so I had no intention of becoming
772
00:59:11,727 --> 00:59:16,603
a girlfriend or anything. So we just
sort of evolved a friendship and I was
773
00:59:16,604 --> 00:59:19,088
somebody he�d always call on the phone
774
00:59:19,089 --> 00:59:24,057
and he�d talk to me about all these
other women and then it just got more
775
00:59:24,058 --> 00:59:29,258
and more involved and the women uh came
in and out and went through his life
776
00:59:29,259 --> 00:59:32,500
and finally he uh, his
research was complete.
777
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,253
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI:
And I ended up there.
778
00:59:36,254 --> 00:59:39,500
They were all gone. He got rid of them.
779
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:46,379
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: When they started
coming around I said now I�m going to
780
00:59:46,380 --> 00:59:49,711
catch up on all that I haven�t had you
781
00:59:49,712 --> 00:59:56,637
see. One night I was in bed with six
different women in a, in a row.
782
00:59:56,638 --> 00:59:59,889
I felt, God I must be something.
783
00:59:59,890 --> 01:00:06,820
But I wasn�t you know. I was just
catching up on my own background.
784
01:00:06,821 --> 01:00:10,654
So finally I got ashamed of what I was
doing and I stopped.
785
01:00:10,655 --> 01:00:14,500
But I got a novel out of it
anyhow. Yeah.
786
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI:
Fair to middle and how�s yours?
787
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,500
What about that cross over
there on the mirror?
788
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI:
That, well that�s Germany.
789
01:00:30,501 --> 01:00:35,500
I was born there see.
This reminds me.
790
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:37,500
You know what kind of cross it is?
791
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:39,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Not really.
792
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Iron cross.
793
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,583
JOHN MARTIN: He had published little fragments in
magazines and in, and little chapbooks about his early life
794
01:00:48,584 --> 01:00:51,800
and I really wanted him to write a, a novel about his life from
the time he was born basically until he graduated from high school.
795
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:59,500
BUKOWSKI AND HIS MOTHER CIRCA 1923
796
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,500
INTERVIEWER: What about this book that
you�re writing now? The book on childhood.
797
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,048
CHARLES BUKOWSKI:
Three quarters finished.
798
01:01:07,049 --> 01:01:14,096
It�s a horror story and
uh it�s been harder to write than
799
01:01:14,097 --> 01:01:21,404
theothers but I�ve tried to put in
some likeness and some humor so we won�t
800
01:01:21,405 --> 01:01:26,500
really feel the other
grimness of uh my childhood.
801
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,445
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: When he finally got
802
01:01:30,446 --> 01:01:35,147
to the point where he could write
about his childhood I think that was a
803
01:01:35,148 --> 01:01:40,239
cathartic experience for him. I mean it
was a struggle for him to write it and
804
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:45,330
it took many years for him to get, even
get to that point to be able to get,
805
01:01:45,331 --> 01:01:47,694
get back in there and re-, relive it
806
01:01:47,695 --> 01:01:52,223
somewhat by typing it out and
remembering certain terrible things.
807
01:01:52,224 --> 01:01:57,370
And uh but I think by doing that it
really um, it, it relinquished him from
808
01:01:57,371 --> 01:02:01,500
a lot of, of those terrors
and those terrible experiences.
809
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,574
NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Bukowski�s
810
01:02:03,575 --> 01:02:07,284
grandfather came from Germany
and somehow ended up in Pasadena,
811
01:02:07,285 --> 01:02:09,384
California where apparently he was a
812
01:02:09,385 --> 01:02:13,931
building contractor. And he had several
children, one of whom of course was
813
01:02:13,932 --> 01:02:15,762
Henry Bukowski senior who was a
814
01:02:15,763 --> 01:02:20,603
doughboy and went back to Germany as an
American soldier and in the little town
815
01:02:20,604 --> 01:02:22,815
of Anderknock en Rein
met Bukowski�s mother.
816
01:02:22,816 --> 01:02:26,500
They get together and
Hank is conceived and born.
817
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,320
NEELI CHERKOVSKI: And they stay in
Anderknock for a couple of years then
818
01:02:32,321 --> 01:02:36,580
come to the U.S. back to Los Angeles
and Bukowski�s father was a milk
819
01:02:36,581 --> 01:02:41,120
deliveryman for a while, had a lot of
odd jobs. They didn�t have a lot of money
820
01:02:41,121 --> 01:02:43,447
but they had a pretty nice place
821
01:02:43,448 --> 01:02:47,500
on Longwood Avenue finally,
at least by the Depression years.
822
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:55,651
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Twenty-one,
Twenty- two Longwood Avenue.
823
01:02:55,652 --> 01:03:02,671
The house of horrors. The house of agony.
The house where I was almost done in
824
01:03:02,672 --> 01:03:09,131
but not quite done. I�m still here
you see. Uh this is the lawn that I
825
01:03:09,132 --> 01:03:15,500
manicured. I had to mow it both
ways. This way first then this way.
826
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:23,517
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And I had to get all
the hairs with the sheers. If I missed
827
01:03:23,518 --> 01:03:29,784
one hair I got a beating, one hair.
It�s very hard not to miss one hair.
828
01:03:29,785 --> 01:03:36,295
Try it some time. So I always got a
beating. The old man had a razor strap
829
01:03:36,296 --> 01:03:43,500
he used to hang here and he�d just take
it off, drop your pants and your shorts.
830
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:51,034
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I would stand about
here and he would begin. And I don�t
831
01:03:51,035 --> 01:03:57,149
know how many lashes he�d give me but
they�d be hard, eight, ten, twelve,
832
01:03:57,150 --> 01:04:03,157
fourteen. Of course you can�t help
screaming especially when you�re
833
01:04:03,158 --> 01:04:06,102
six years old, seven years old.
834
01:04:06,103 --> 01:04:11,500
As I got around to be about ten or
eleven or twelve I screamed less.
835
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:19,914
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Instead I, last
beating I got I didn�t scream at all.
836
01:04:19,915 --> 01:04:27,108
I just didn�t make a sound. And I guess
that terrorized him because that was
837
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:34,305
the last one when I didn�t make a sound.
So it�s just a terrible place to stand
838
01:04:34,306 --> 01:04:41,500
and talk about it. I really don�t want
to talk about it too much.
839
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: He was cruel man.
He beat me and beat me.
840
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,972
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: She, she was German
841
01:04:51,973 --> 01:04:58,237
and her expression was while he was
beating me your father is always right.
842
01:04:58,238 --> 01:05:04,449
That�s all there was to it. I guess
he was right now and then but I figure
843
01:05:04,450 --> 01:05:09,500
about eighty-six percent of
the time he was wrong as hell.
844
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,095
NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Hank�s father�s values
845
01:05:12,096 --> 01:05:15,702
were probably normal American values.
There�s nothing evil about him
846
01:05:15,703 --> 01:05:17,815
at that level.
Beating a child was evil.
847
01:05:17,816 --> 01:05:21,405
There�s the evil part. On the
other hand that was the tradition.
848
01:05:21,406 --> 01:05:22,960
People did it all through
the centuries.
849
01:05:22,961 --> 01:05:27,195
If you go back to Leviticus
if your son speaks against you you�re
850
01:05:27,196 --> 01:05:31,212
able to kill him. So we�ve come
a long way since then you know.
851
01:05:31,213 --> 01:05:34,500
It�s not like Henry Bukowski was alone
in the beating of the son.
852
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:37,500
BUKOWSKI PAINTING
OF HIS FATHER
853
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,373
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And sometimes I feel
it happening to me you know when I�m
854
01:05:43,374 --> 01:05:47,804
arguing with a woman or something
I feel kind of shitty and crappy and I�m
855
01:05:47,805 --> 01:05:52,254
not quite just and sometimes I sense
my father�s blood in me,
856
01:05:52,255 --> 01:05:55,500
the chicken shit blood that
I�ve got in me. It�s a bad feeling.
857
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,541
BEVERLY KNOX: This is a picture of Hank
858
01:05:59,542 --> 01:06:04,494
from his high school graduation and
this is a picture that�s been touched
859
01:06:04,495 --> 01:06:09,199
up as you can see. His face was really
quite pock marked. It was very noticeable.
860
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,500
He wasn�t interested
in having his picture taken.
861
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,321
BEVERLY KNOX:
He made sure that he was never
862
01:06:18,322 --> 01:06:20,500
in any of the pictures
that the kids took.
863
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:26,996
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: We all know what
acne is but acne vulgaris is sort of a,
864
01:06:26,997 --> 01:06:32,316
an exaggerated form of that ailment and
he had to go all the way across town to
865
01:06:32,317 --> 01:06:37,577
a doctor. They would stick into all of
these horrible huge puss filled things
866
01:06:37,578 --> 01:06:42,500
on his face and on his neck and all
over his back, his arms and chest.
867
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,500
BUKOWSKI�S HIGH SCHOOL ROTC PHOTO, 1939
868
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,845
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: It finally
manifests physically when you�re
869
01:06:50,846 --> 01:06:53,767
put down like that continually over
years and years, physically,
870
01:06:53,768 --> 01:06:56,500
emotionally, mentally in every way.
871
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,111
JOHN MARTIN: You know that wonderful
872
01:07:00,112 --> 01:07:04,332
chapter in Ham on Rye where he�s
standing outside his senior prom too
873
01:07:04,333 --> 01:07:06,640
disfigured to go in and too ashamed
disfigured to go
874
01:07:06,641 --> 01:07:11,316
in and he had wrapped toilet paper around
his head and then punched eye holes.
875
01:07:11,317 --> 01:07:13,642
And the bleeding acne had come,
876
01:07:13,643 --> 01:07:18,291
was starting to come through the
toilet paper and he just stood there and
877
01:07:18,292 --> 01:07:22,901
watched all of the other children
graduating from high school and having
878
01:07:22,902 --> 01:07:26,500
a wonderful time while
he stood out there in the dark.
879
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,358
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I was on some fucking
880
01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:37,901
bus with a girlfriend and here came
a guy walking toward us looking
881
01:07:37,902 --> 01:07:41,105
for a back seat.
His scars were deeper
882
01:07:41,106 --> 01:07:46,500
than mine and you know want to
know something? I was jealous.
883
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:58,252
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Yeah. I said Jesus.
I said did you see him? She said yes I did.
884
01:07:58,253 --> 01:08:04,500
I said oh shit. What
a beautiful man he was.
885
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:10,141
NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Hank actually stayed
with his parents quite a long time for
886
01:08:10,142 --> 01:08:12,623
a guy who was brutalized.
I have some
887
01:08:12,624 --> 01:08:17,786
photos in 1944 and there�s Bukowski
with his mother and father in the back
888
01:08:17,787 --> 01:08:22,679
yard of the house on Longwood. The
three of them are standing together
889
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,281
getting a photo.
So he may have hated
890
01:08:25,282 --> 01:08:29,500
them in a certain way but he
always returned to the nest.
891
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,500
Why do you drive such a long way
to the laundry?
892
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,918
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Because other
laundries use soap that make you itch
893
01:08:37,919 --> 01:08:41,500
and all that. So this is the
best laundry in town that�s all.
894
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,500
B-ROLL
895
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:52,873
BONO: Too much, too little, too fast,
too thin or nobody. Strangers with
896
01:08:52,874 --> 01:08:59,228
faces like the backs of thumb tacks.
Armies running through streets of blood
897
01:08:59,229 --> 01:09:05,291
waving wine bottles. Bayoneting and
fucking virgins. Or an old guy
898
01:09:05,292 --> 01:09:09,500
in a cheap room with a
photograph of Marilyn Monroe.
899
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:15,756
BONO: There is a loneliness in this
world so great but you can see it in
900
01:09:15,757 --> 01:09:18,079
the slow movement
in the hands of a clock.
901
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:22,922
People so tired, mutilated
either by love or by no love. People
902
01:09:22,923 --> 01:09:25,480
are just not good
to each other one on one.
903
01:09:25,481 --> 01:09:30,662
The rich are not good to the rich.
The poor are not good to the poor.
904
01:09:30,663 --> 01:09:36,500
We�re afraid. Our educational system tells
us that we can all be big ass winners.
905
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:43,879
BONO: It hasn�t told us about the
gutters or the suicides or the terror
906
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:50,084
of one person aching in one place
alone. The beads will swing. The clouds
907
01:09:50,085 --> 01:09:56,803
will cloud and the killer will behead
a child like taking a bite out of an ice
908
01:09:56,804 --> 01:10:02,500
cream cone. Too much. Too little.
Too fast. Too thin. Or nobody.
909
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:08,595
BONO: More haters than lovers. People
are not good to each other. Perhaps if
910
01:10:08,596 --> 01:10:11,258
they were our deaths would not be so
911
01:10:11,259 --> 01:10:17,025
sad. Meanwhile I look at young girls
skin, flowers of chance. There must be
912
01:10:17,026 --> 01:10:23,035
a way. Surely there must be a way we�ve
not yet thought of. Who put this brain
913
01:10:23,036 --> 01:10:29,500
inside of me? It cries. It demands. It
says there�s a chance. It will not say no.
914
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,500
B-ROLL
915
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:40,500
By 1978, Bukowski was ready to leave the
courtyards and apartments of East Hollywood
916
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:50,500
He and Linda bought a house
in San Pedro, California.
917
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,091
TAYLOR HACKFORD:
As Linda, the second Linda,
918
01:10:54,092 --> 01:10:57,665
came into his life she hung in there
and he knew that she really cared
919
01:10:57,666 --> 01:11:01,498
about him and she was there to stay.
She could hold her own with, with a lot
920
01:11:01,499 --> 01:11:05,479
of Bukowski�s uh you know wild friends
but ultimately she had a certain focus
921
01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:09,098
and I give her a lot of credit for
saving his life. I mean at a certain point
922
01:11:09,099 --> 01:11:13,117
you know she got him out of East
Hollywood. They bought a place down
923
01:11:13,118 --> 01:11:17,089
in San Pedro. It�s a great part of Los
Angeles. Not people really know about.
924
01:11:17,090 --> 01:11:20,500
And you know probably added about
ten years to Bukowski�s life.
925
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,905
TAYLOR HACKFORD: Basically it allowed
him a different part of his life.
926
01:11:24,906 --> 01:11:27,500
He continued to write and he continued
to get more and more famous.
927
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,309
TOM WAITS: He wrote through it all and
as he became more popular and became
928
01:11:31,310 --> 01:11:32,423
more successful and famous really
929
01:11:32,424 --> 01:11:34,772
he wrote about that. So he took you all
the way from flophouses to San Pedro
930
01:11:34,773 --> 01:11:38,342
and where he�s living in a nice house with you know
neighbors who play golf and uh you know a nice car and uh so
931
01:11:38,343 --> 01:11:41,500
he, he took you, he let you, he let you go with
him on a journey which was really great for me.
932
01:11:43,000 --> 01:12:00,500
TOM WAITS
MUSICIAN
933
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,812
TOM WAITS: And that�s something
934
01:12:03,813 --> 01:12:08,500
I looked up to, to take you
uh down the path with him.
935
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,083
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Barbe Schroeder
936
01:12:11,084 --> 01:12:15,843
didn�t have enough money to make Barfly
the film yet and so he decided to get
937
01:12:15,844 --> 01:12:19,710
some professional people and do
a documentary on Hank,
938
01:12:19,711 --> 01:12:24,066
sort of interviewing him over a period
of several months coming over here
939
01:12:24,067 --> 01:12:26,711
on weekends
for hours after hour after hour
940
01:12:26,712 --> 01:12:31,223
and sitting inside and outside.
And one night he was interviewing Hank
941
01:12:31,224 --> 01:12:36,253
and it had been a long day and Hank had
had three or four, five or six bottles
942
01:12:36,254 --> 01:12:39,500
of wine and he was getting
a little belligerent.
943
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,932
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I�ve always been used
944
01:12:43,933 --> 01:12:49,795
because I�m a good guy. And women when
they meet me they say I can use this
945
01:12:49,796 --> 01:12:55,774
son of a bitch. I can push him around.
He�s an easygoing guy. So they do it.
946
01:12:55,775 --> 01:12:59,500
Do you know finally I
get to resent it a bit?
947
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,500
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: What do you resent?
948
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Just being pushed.
949
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,500
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Pushed?
950
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:14,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Yeah. Just being pushed.
951
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,750
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Why do you let
yourself be pushed by this kind of shit
952
01:13:18,751 --> 01:13:21,500
you idiot? Why do you allow yourself
to be pushed by this sort of thing?
953
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,732
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I�ve told you a
thousand times to leave. You won�t leave.
954
01:13:24,733 --> 01:13:27,100
I told you I�m going to get
an attorney to tell you to leave.
955
01:13:27,135 --> 01:13:28,684
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: [TALKING OVER]
Wait a minute.
956
01:13:28,685 --> 01:13:31,689
a minute. anything to do with it.
That, that doesn�t have
957
01:13:31,690 --> 01:13:35,500
anything to do with it. Why do you
continually allow yourself to be pushed?
958
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,100
CHARLES BUKOWSKI:
Because I�m kind hearted.
959
01:13:39,101 --> 01:13:41,500
I give the other
person another chance.
960
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:50,124
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Mmm hmm. I�ve given
you dozens of chances. But you keep
961
01:13:50,125 --> 01:13:56,414
pushing and pushing. And you keep
laughing at me. That�s why I�m going to
962
01:13:56,415 --> 01:14:02,699
tell you I�m getting an attorney.
I�m going to get your ass moved out of here.
963
01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:09,500
She thinks I don�t have the guts.
She thinks I can�t live without her.
964
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,788
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I can move your ass
965
01:14:12,789 --> 01:14:18,890
out of here so bright and so fast with
a Jewish attorney. You�re going to feel
966
01:14:18,891 --> 01:14:25,500
like your ass is skinned. You think you�re
the last woman on earth that I can get.
967
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,589
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Yeah well you better
968
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:36,500
start thinking. I�m turning
you over to the next.
969
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,180
CHARLES BUKOWSKI:
Next guy. He can have you.
970
01:14:41,181 --> 01:14:45,539
I won�t be the least bit jealous.
If your [INAUDIBLE] the bullshit all
971
01:14:45,540 --> 01:14:50,500
your goddamn stay out every night bullshit.
I don�t need the kind of woman you are.
972
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:56,117
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Night after night
going out what good are you? I�m going
973
01:14:56,118 --> 01:15:00,181
to get my Jewish lawyer out of you,
out, on you and he�s going to get you
974
01:15:00,182 --> 01:15:04,342
out of this house. Get out. And I mean
it was just mortifying.
975
01:15:04,343 --> 01:15:06,246
And he, the camera was rolling
976
01:15:06,247 --> 01:15:09,500
I mean they had a perfect thing going
there. This is pretty exciting.
977
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,500
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Why are you so
offended by me doing something else?
978
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:16,687
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Because I live
979
01:15:16,688 --> 01:15:19,500
with a woman or she lives with me
she doesn�t live with other people?
980
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:21,308
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: I do live with
981
01:15:21,309 --> 01:15:23,500
other people and I�m going
to for the rest of my life.
982
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: I know. I�m going to
turn you over to them. You see?
983
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,500
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: [TALKING OVER]
No, no, no, no.
984
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,346
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: Fuck, shit.
985
01:15:32,347 --> 01:15:37,891
You fucking cunt. You think you walk
out on me every fucking night.
986
01:15:37,892 --> 01:15:42,886
You fucking whore. You bitch. Who do
you think you, I am? Just I�m going
987
01:15:42,887 --> 01:15:46,500
to do this, sleep with other
people. You fucking shit.
988
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,500
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI:
[SIMULTANEOUS CONVERSATION] I didn�t.
989
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:56,471
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: That�s when I got
my guts. I never took it again. Never.
990
01:15:56,472 --> 01:15:59,217
The next time he tried that I said
991
01:15:59,218 --> 01:16:04,925
you son of a bitch you can, you can
scream your ass off at, at the clouds
992
01:16:04,926 --> 01:16:08,360
in the sky and at yourself but you�re
not going to do it to me.
993
01:16:08,361 --> 01:16:13,212
I�m not going to take it anymore.
And I�d just get up,
994
01:16:13,213 --> 01:16:19,500
walk up the stairs and I�d listen to him
ranting and raving down here at nobody.
995
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,777
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Sometimes it�d go
on for about thirty minutes.
996
01:16:22,778 --> 01:16:25,500
And just, just screaming out.
997
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,500
B-ROLL
998
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,518
In 1987, shooting began on “Barfly”,
directed by Barbet Schroeder
999
01:16:33,553 --> 01:16:36,037
BARBET SCHROEDER: Mickey Rourke,
he didn�t like the idea of rehearsal.
1000
01:16:36,038 --> 01:16:39,634
Faye Dunaway she was ready
to rehearse as much as possible
1001
01:16:39,635 --> 01:16:42,188
and I wanted to rehearse because when
1002
01:16:42,189 --> 01:16:47,500
you�re on a tight schedule like that m-,
much better if you�re rehearsed.
1003
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:49,500
BARBET SCHROEDER
DIRECTOR OF “BARFLY”
1004
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,155
BARBET SCHROEDER: But uh no. So we had
1005
01:16:52,156 --> 01:16:55,500
to do uh without it and I
guess he wanted to stay fresh.
1006
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,191
LIZA WILLIAMS: Well how could
Mickey Rourke portray Hank?
1007
01:17:00,192 --> 01:17:03,469
It�s an impossibility. Why didn�t they
get some old duffer? They wanted
1008
01:17:03,470 --> 01:17:05,897
Mickey Rourke to be uh Humphrey
Bogart and pick up
1009
01:17:05,898 --> 01:17:09,642
girls in the bar. Hank wasn�t like
that really. I remember there was some
1010
01:17:09,643 --> 01:17:14,500
really beautiful girls in there which weren�t
at all the kind of girls that Hank went after.
1011
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,500
LIZA WILLIAMS
COLUMNIST, GIRLFRIEND
1012
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,500
LIZA WILLIAMS: He went after people
who were slightly damaged.
1013
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:28,259
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: He really over did
it. You know the hair hanging down and
1014
01:17:28,260 --> 01:17:31,094
I don�t think the kid�s ever been
on skid row you know.
1015
01:17:31,095 --> 01:17:36,285
When the guy walks
in and he says oh I�ve been missed.
1016
01:17:36,286 --> 01:17:41,643
I should run for mayor. He didn�t get
it right because I�d walk in and I�d
1017
01:17:41,644 --> 01:17:44,117
say oh I�ve been missed.
I guess I
1018
01:17:44,118 --> 01:17:49,500
should run for mayor. See you don�t
brag it. It�s low key all the time.
1019
01:17:50,000 --> 01:18:00,105
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: He had it all kind of
exaggerated, untrue, a little bit show
1020
01:18:00,106 --> 01:18:06,500
off about it. So uh no
it was kind of mis-done.
1021
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,500
Hank�s experience making “Barfly”
inspired him to write another novel.
1022
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,268
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: And I found out that
1023
01:18:15,269 --> 01:18:19,863
Hollywood is more crooked and dumber,
crueler, stupider than all the books
1024
01:18:19,864 --> 01:18:21,963
I�ve read about it. They didn�t go
1025
01:18:21,964 --> 01:18:26,327
deeply enough into how it lacks art and
soul and heart. How it�s really
1026
01:18:26,362 --> 01:18:29,085
a piece of crap.
There are too many hands directing.
1027
01:18:29,086 --> 01:18:33,763
There are too many fingers
in the pot and they�re all kind of
1028
01:18:33,764 --> 01:18:35,966
ignorant about what they�re doing.
1029
01:18:35,967 --> 01:18:40,500
They�re greedy and they�re vicious.
They don�t get much of a movie.
1030
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,231
BONO: I never got to meet him while
I was reading him. It was only later
1031
01:18:44,232 --> 01:18:46,215
after a really drunken night with
Sean Penn back in my house in Dublin
1032
01:18:46,216 --> 01:18:47,500
talking uh stupid rhymes really.
1033
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:57,500
BONO
FAN
1034
01:18:59,000 --> 01:18:59,726
SEAN PENN: And he found out that he
was a great fan of Hanks and I said you
1035
01:18:59,727 --> 01:19:00,500
know I said that he was a friend of
mine. So he, he said no, no. I said yeah.
1036
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:07,500
SEAN PENN
FRIEND
1037
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,680
BONO: He was reciting you know some of
Hank�s verse and, and, and me back to
1038
01:19:11,681 --> 01:19:14,500
him and he got up, excused
himself to make a phone call.
1039
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:21,559
SEAN PENN: And he says hey kid hell,
where the hell are you? I said well I�m
1040
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,427
over here in Ireland and I�m with Bono.
1041
01:19:24,428 --> 01:19:29,500
And he says uh you know not. I
said ask Linda. He says who�s Bono.
1042
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,741
BONO: It turns out that Hank�s old lady
1043
01:19:32,742 --> 01:19:36,178
had been to every U2 show uh since we
came, since we were like kids like a
1044
01:19:36,179 --> 01:19:37,991
garage band. She�d been
to every one of them.
1045
01:19:37,992 --> 01:19:40,500
She�d been to more
U2 shows than I�d been to.
1046
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,230
SEAN PENN: And then he�s back on saying
1047
01:19:43,231 --> 01:19:45,500
you know if you guys play out here
we want to come. Well sure enough.
1048
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:51,514
BONO: Invited him down, invited the
two of them down when we next played Los
1049
01:19:51,515 --> 01:19:55,500
Angeles, not ever thinking that
he would come. But they did come.
1050
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:01,230
SEAN PENN: And he was fascinating to
him that the world had come to,
1051
01:20:01,231 --> 01:20:05,575
you know this wasn�t a political rally.
This was musicians on stage and this
1052
01:20:05,576 --> 01:20:10,318
many people and this kind of fandom and
this, all of a sudden in the middle of
1053
01:20:10,319 --> 01:20:12,922
the show uh he says,
he comes to the microphone
1054
01:20:12,923 --> 01:20:16,500
and he says this is
for Charles and Linda Bukowski.
1055
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,356
BONO: And I think we got to the old
fucker uh because uh you know he,
1056
01:20:21,357 --> 01:20:23,500
I think we might have
moved him a little bit.
1057
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:29,674
SEAN PENN: The crowd went crazy. They
knew who he was. And he was taken
1058
01:20:29,675 --> 01:20:31,849
off guard. You know uh he really was
1059
01:20:31,850 --> 01:20:36,500
and he got emotional I think and he
and Linda danced to the song together.
1060
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,710
NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Bukowski was
1061
01:20:39,711 --> 01:20:43,870
fortunate enough to see in his own
lifetime his own work be translated
1062
01:20:43,871 --> 01:20:46,057
into I don�t know, God knows how many
1063
01:20:46,058 --> 01:20:50,546
languages to make him more than a
comfortable living and to go out in you
1064
01:20:50,547 --> 01:20:52,872
know thirty or forty printings.
1065
01:20:52,873 --> 01:20:57,403
And you know that�s a very rare thing for
a poet. If he hadn�t made any money and
1066
01:20:57,404 --> 01:21:00,202
yet he had been able
to do all the writing
1067
01:21:00,203 --> 01:21:04,500
that would have been enough for him.
I�m absolutely convinced of that.
1068
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,149
NEELI CHERKOVSKI: And he would have
worked in a candy store if he had to or
1069
01:21:08,150 --> 01:21:09,713
shining shoes or he would have stayed
1070
01:21:09,714 --> 01:21:12,500
at the post office and retired
on some piddly ass little thing.
1071
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:15,576
CARL WEISSNER: I�m afraid I have to
agree with John William Corrington and
1072
01:21:15,577 --> 01:21:16,500
the prediction that
he made in what 1962.
1073
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,500
CARL WEISSNER FRIEND
and GERMAN TRANSLATOR
1074
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:26,528
CARL WEISSNER: He was totally right. He
said by the end of the century Bukowski
1075
01:21:26,529 --> 01:21:30,660
will be known as the guy who has
liberated poetry from the clutches of
1076
01:21:30,661 --> 01:21:34,624
the academics and did what Wordsworth
was attempting to do and what
1077
01:21:34,625 --> 01:21:36,936
[INAUDIBLE] actually did. You know this
1078
01:21:36,937 --> 01:21:41,500
is the company that he put him in sixty
- two and nobody had heard of him.
1079
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:43,500
Are you afraid
of death?
1080
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:45,500
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: No.
1081
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:51,500
How old would
you like to be?
1082
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:59,067
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: It�s not a matter
of how old you can become, how long you
1083
01:21:59,068 --> 01:22:05,614
can go having all your moxy. So I can�t
answer that. Because I think my life is
1084
01:22:05,615 --> 01:22:11,599
dwindling now. You know I went to the
track today. I came back from the track.
1085
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:17,500
I looked down and I had on
one black shoe and one brown shoe.
1086
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:24,250
CHARLES BUKOWSKI: So I said even though
I won two hundred and twelve dollars
1087
01:22:24,251 --> 01:22:29,500
betting on horses I looked down and
I said the light is dwindling old boy.
1088
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,500
B-ROLL
1089
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,964
In 1988, Hank contracted tuberculosis
1090
01:22:37,965 --> 01:22:44,500
He lost 60 pounds. He drank
no alcohol for several months.
1091
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:53,500
After recovering, he rarely engaged
in heavy drinking again.
1092
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,308
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: He continued to
lessen the amount of alcohol intake
1093
01:22:59,309 --> 01:23:03,916
over the years even though he, that
meant he had to be less than his myth.
1094
01:23:03,917 --> 01:23:08,501
I think he found a kind of confidence
in himself of course when he became
1095
01:23:08,502 --> 01:23:10,961
successful. And that took away
1096
01:23:10,962 --> 01:23:15,500
a lot of the um psychological pressure
that had been on him for so many years.
1097
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,725
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: He didn�t need
to react so much.
1098
01:23:19,726 --> 01:23:25,470
He knew that he was a cause
of goodness and that he could be
1099
01:23:25,471 --> 01:23:31,169
a cause of goodness and um I don�t
think he felt that way about himself
1100
01:23:31,170 --> 01:23:35,500
in the past, in his early years
or in his mid years even.
1101
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:42,261
TOM WAITS: And by the time he got to
The Last Night of the Earth Poems he�s
1102
01:23:42,262 --> 01:23:47,522
really a wise man and a very thoughtful
man and, and was not afraid to be
1103
01:23:47,523 --> 01:23:53,242
vulnerable. He was uh turning the, the
ball around in front of you and let you
1104
01:23:53,243 --> 01:23:56,500
see as many sides as
he could see himself.
1105
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:03,476
JOHN MARTIN: There�s a thing called
the new formulism and there�s
1106
01:24:03,477 --> 01:24:08,733
a little group of people called the new
formalists and they want to go back to
1107
01:24:08,734 --> 01:24:14,558
sonnets and you know poetry at its most
structured. And to me that�s exactly
1108
01:24:14,559 --> 01:24:17,489
the wrong way poetry should be headed.
1109
01:24:17,490 --> 01:24:22,500
Oh this is a little New Year�s
reading that we did called Art.
1110
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,547
JOHN MARTIN: And it�s one of his
greatest poems.
1111
01:24:26,548 --> 01:24:29,500
It�s just one word
above the other.
1112
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:35,625
JOHN MARTIN: As the spirit wanes the
form appears. As an artist or a poet
1113
01:24:35,626 --> 01:24:41,324
or anybody loses his spirit, that first
brought them into whatever they do,
1114
01:24:41,325 --> 01:24:46,579
as that wanes they do get more
concerned with form and trying to
1115
01:24:46,580 --> 01:24:52,500
cover up the fact that they�re not writing
as well anymore by writing formal work.
1116
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:58,885
NEELI CHERKOVSKI:
Pulp dedicated to bad writing.
1117
01:24:58,886 --> 01:25:03,839
That�s just is the Bukowski story right
there. Not that he wrote badly but that
1118
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:07,678
he took chances. That was an
older man�s novel and yet it�s
1119
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:12,955
so filled with a younger man�s
inventiveness and suppleness.
1120
01:25:12,956 --> 01:25:18,262
Hollywood got in L.A. let�s say from
this way and Pulp got in L.A. this way.
1121
01:25:18,263 --> 01:25:21,500
Right? And Ham and Rye
got in L.A. this way.
1122
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,078
NEELI CHERKOVSKI: Think about it.
1123
01:25:25,079 --> 01:25:29,570
And then the short story came on L.A.
that way and then the poems rushed
1124
01:25:29,571 --> 01:25:33,425
down the freeway this way.
You know it was that ruined landscape
1125
01:25:33,426 --> 01:25:36,623
of Los Angeles that he wrote about.
Pulp of course is a pure fantasy.
1126
01:25:36,624 --> 01:25:38,912
It isn�t the real life Bukowski. So a
1127
01:25:38,913 --> 01:25:43,426
fantasy though it�s the life of the
mind was something that was always
1128
01:25:43,427 --> 01:25:45,735
on his mind. The man was dying.
1129
01:25:45,736 --> 01:25:49,500
He was nearing the end of his life
and he writes about lady death.
1130
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:55,500
NEELI CHERKOVSKI: That�s how he dealt
with his dying, to make art out of it.
1131
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:04,500
In March 1993, Bukowski was
diagnosed with leukemia
1132
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:05,500
He battled the disease for a year.
1133
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:11,602
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: It had been a long
haul and it was coming to the end
1134
01:26:11,603 --> 01:26:17,350
and he was in and out of consciousness in
the room at the hospital. We were just
1135
01:26:17,351 --> 01:26:22,845
sitting there with him not, just
whispering gently a little bit and just
1136
01:26:22,846 --> 01:26:25,756
being around him. And uh I was
1137
01:26:25,757 --> 01:26:31,500
sort of sitting a few feet by, towards
his feet and his head was in front of me.
1138
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:40,652
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: And, and I had been
looking over on the other side of his
1139
01:26:40,653 --> 01:26:48,598
bed to Marina his daughter and, and uh
I glanced at Hank and there were um,
1140
01:26:48,599 --> 01:26:55,950
he was emitting from his mouth um
little puffs like puh, puh, just gentle
1141
01:26:55,951 --> 01:27:03,500
little puffs. And I instantly realized
that these were his last breaths.
1142
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:14,187
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: I knew that that
was what was happening then and in a,
1143
01:27:14,188 --> 01:27:24,373
in a matter of several seconds I
suppose well I got up to him to come to
1144
01:27:24,374 --> 01:27:34,527
his face and hold him and um that
happened a few more moments.
1145
01:27:34,528 --> 01:27:39,068
And then he left and um … at that
1146
01:27:39,069 --> 01:27:47,500
moment his face became s-,
absolutely transparent and serene.
1147
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:58,773
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: Every, every
wrinkly scar or tension, everything
1148
01:27:58,774 --> 01:28:09,112
completely relaxed and there was an
utter tranquility that existed and
1149
01:28:09,113 --> 01:28:20,976
permeated everything at that point. And
it was so gentle and so pure and um …
1150
01:28:20,977 --> 01:28:27,500
he had a smooth face
like a newborn baby.
1151
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:37,500
LINDA LEE BUKOWSKI: It was just
so smooth and soft like that.
1152
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:43,515
HARRY DEAN STANTON: There�s a bluebird
in my heart that wants to get out
1153
01:28:43,516 --> 01:28:46,230
but I�m too tough for him.
I say stay in there.
1154
01:28:46,231 --> 01:28:50,316
I�m not going to let anybody see you.
There�s a bluebird in my heart
1155
01:28:50,317 --> 01:28:54,550
that wants to get out but I pour whiskey
on him and inhale cigarette smoke
1156
01:28:54,551 --> 01:28:57,297
and the whores and the bartenders
1157
01:28:57,298 --> 01:29:00,500
and the grocery clerks never
know that he�s in there.
1158
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,921
HARRY DEAN STANTON:
There�s a bluebird in my heart
1159
01:29:03,922 --> 01:29:08,267
that wants to get out. But I�m too tough
for him. I say stay down.
1160
01:29:08,268 --> 01:29:11,167
Do you want to mess me up?
Do you want to screw up the works?
1161
01:29:11,168 --> 01:29:15,719
Do you want to blow my book sales in
Europe? There�s a bluebird in my heart
1162
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,125
that wants to get out.
But I�m too clever.
1163
01:29:18,126 --> 01:29:23,358
I only let him out at night
sometimes when everybody�s asleep.
1164
01:29:23,359 --> 01:29:26,201
I say I know you�re there
so don�t be sad.
1165
01:29:26,402 --> 01:29:30,500
Then I put him back but
he�s singing a little in there.
1166
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:38,407
HARRY DEAN STANTON: I haven�t quite
let him die. And we sleep together like
1167
01:29:38,408 --> 01:29:41,421
that with our secret pact.
1168
01:29:41,422 --> 01:29:46,500
And it�s nice enough to make a man
weep but I don�t weep. Do you?
1169
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:51,500
B-ROLL
1170
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,000
THE END
1171
01:29:56,305 --> 01:30:56,398
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