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>> And at times, the color andthe light would be so intense.

And it was like
bubbling up in my head.

It was like this golden light.

It was just exploding.

And I had to put a lid on it.

It felt like if I had
laughed at that point

or if I even giggled,
I would have exploded.

>> I started to feel
this rising sensation.

And it started rising,
rising, rising, almost

like in the elevator feeling.

And then all of a sudden,I could see this tiny hole.

And it was like my consciousnesswas being drawn into that.

And all of a sudden, I
burst into the universe.

And everything was vibrating.

I knew I was vibrating.

And so I closed my eyes again.

And then it started
to happen again.

>> Kundalini is
spiritual energy,

the energy of consciousness,which is thought to reside

at the base of the spine
of every human body.

And when aroused, it bringsnew states of consciousness,

including mystical
illumination, exalted

powers, ecstasy, bliss,
clairvoyance, healing,

and transcendence of self.

Everything in the
universe is energy.

This source of energy,
when utilized properly,

can end suffering,
increase health,

bring blissful experiences,loving relationships,

and spiritual and psychic gifts.

>> So we are just a microcosmof that supreme energy.

>> There's a super intelligentlife energy everywhere,

of which we are all a part,which acts in all of us.

It has an intelligence
or consciousness

that is beyond what at themoment we can perceive.

>> Kundalini is the source ofpower that the world's most

beloved artists,
composers, poets,

and writers may
have tapped into.

Many philosophers harnessedthis power within.

>> Many, many peoplehave had that experience,

myself as well, of thisliving sense and experience

of the energy manifesting asthis scintillating blue light.

>> Changes, however,
are not always easy.

And as we undergo
this transformation,

we may experience muchphenomena unfamiliar to us.

Some of these are wonderful,
some can be terrifying.

Spontaneous awakening
of kundalini

can be dangerous due to
a lack of understanding.

And if the body is
not attuned to allow

the flow of this
supreme energetic force,

it can cause mental
and emotional imbalance

and physical discomfort.

Why is information
about kundalini

not spread to the
mainstream yet?

What is needed to recognizethis power within you?

This secret has been kepthidden for centuries.

However, kundalini is
within every human,

a resource of energythat when fully awakened,

allows us to reach our fullpotential with joy, peace,

and unconditional love.

>> I had an injury
to my lower back.

The third vertebrae
was herniated.

Herniated disk, I shouldsay, during a ski accident

back in 1993.

And I had this hot flash
just right up my spine.

And it didn't result in anyhospitalization or anything

of that nature.

But I ended up having to goto physical therapy for quite

some time.

And about three
weeks after that,

I started having an incredibleamount of emotional upheavals

starting within me.

And it started just basicallydeconstructing my life.

I was just overcome by anoverwhelming sense of sadness.

Nothing meant anything anymore.

And I remained in that
state for probably

about two years,
during which time

I was seeing a psychiatrist,who decided that medication was

the best route to take,which didn't help anything,

and actually made things worse.

As soon as I impacted it,
just a pulse of energy,

it felt really incredibly hot.

It just raised up.

I didn't feel it enterinto my head or anything,

but it just raised up the
spine and then stopped.

And my back was hot
for days after that.

>> In 1975, I had a near-deathexperience after 5 and 1/2

hours of spinal surgery andwaking up in a Stryker framed

circle bed.

About three days
after surgery, I

remember waking up and
having this huge belly.

My whole body had swelled up.

I had developed an ileus.

But people were
rushing in with carts,

with bottles, and
machinery, and tubes

and hooking me up to
all kinds of stuff.

And I remember I
was so terrified

that I just blanked out.

And the next thing I knew--and I have to tell you

I was an atheist at this point.

I considered myself a verysophisticated atheist.

[laughter]

Yeah.

I had been abused a lot as achild, which had really just

turned me off, and I was numb.

And I woke up out
in the hallway.

And it was the
middle of the night.

And I looked up and down thehall, and I didn't see anybody.

But I thought that
the lights were dim,

and there was nobody aroundin the hospital hallway.

And I thought, well, if
they catch me out here,

I'm going to get intotrouble because I'm supposed

to be suspended in their bed.

So I turned around to
come back into the room.

And I was looking directlyinto a PA speaker.

Now, I knew that PA speakerwas mounted on the ceiling.

So that's when I realizedsomething was wrong,

something was up.

And it was me.

I was up at the ceiling.

And I came back into the room.

And I looked down into thecircle bed, and I saw her.

She had tape wrapped
around her nose

to hold the tube down mythroat, and to my stomach.

And they had all
kinds of bags hanging.

And I looked at her, and
it certainly wasn't me.

The part of me that waslooking at her, that was me.

And I stayed like that
for a little while.

And I remember
thinking that this

was the first time in my lifeI had felt peaceful, that I

felt calm and peaceful.

And as I connected
with that, I started

moving through
something very dark

that I couldn't call a
tunnel for years, not

until I became a researcher.

And I thought, yeah, I guesstunnel is the best word for it.

But again, words can't reallyexplain the actual experience.

But I'm moving throughsomething that's very dark.

And I'm studying
what I'm seeing.

And I'm seeing light
turning in the darkness.

It's like the total darknesswas bringing light out of it,

or the light was coming
out of the darkness.

And it was moving ahead of me.

And as I was watching
this, I felt these arms

come around me, and
embrace me, and pull me

into this lush warmth.

And it was my grandmother.

I called her Bubbe.

My Bubbe had been
dead for 14 years.

And I had never once thought ofher existing beyond her death.

I mean, this was not
anything I believed.

But I knew I was with her.

And she held me.

And together, were-experienced the 19 years

we were together on this planet.

And I didn't just experience
it from my perceptions.

I experienced it from hers.

I could see everything
she was seeing.

I could feel everything
she was feeling.

And I had every
thought that she had.

So together, what
we were doing was

showing each other how muchlove we had given each other.

It was incredible.

And it was my grandmother whowas giving me the attention

that I needed.

I wasn't getting
it from my parents.

And this went on until
we got to the point

where she had passed away.

And as I watched her dying, Istarted moving away from her.

But it was OK that I was movingaway from her because I knew

that there were these
transmissions between us

with no words but
heart to heart.

I knew she'd always bewaiting for me in that tunnel.

And then I was back inmy body, back in the bed.

And I tried to tell some peoplethat came in on the health care

team that I left the bed.

I didn't tell them
what I just told

you, what took me a longtime to find words for it.

But I did tell them
I left the bed.

And they kept telling
me it was impossible,

that I couldn't leave thebed, that I had hallucinated.

And the more I would protest,the more they would sedate me.

>> Symptoms of out-of-bodyexperiences, or OBEs,

and kundalini are close firstcousins and may eventually lead

from one to the other.

In the OBE, a person
can learn that they are

more than their physical body.

They may learn of multipleplanes of existence

and of multiple expressionsof consciousness.

With kundalini, a person canlearn all of these things

and in addition,
the implications

of a conscious form
of physical divinity

residing inside anunlimited yet physical body.

>> And a year after
the physical therapy,

I realized I couldn't go backto being the way I was before.

I mean, we had a swimming pool.

We had an airplane.

We had everything imaginablematerialistically.

And it just was so
hollow for me now.

I loved my three kids, I stilldid brownies and Cub Scouts.

But I couldn't go back
to the way I was before.

So what I did was I went back tothe hospital where I had been,

and I started working
in the emergency

room just as a volunteer.

But if people were brought in,I would know if they were dying.

And I would just touchthem or hold their hands.

And when this would
happen, the staff

knew they didn't have tosend me to do anything else.

They wouldn't ask
me to run errands.

I'd be sitting
there for an hour,

holding somebody's
hand who was dying.

And that felt so good.

And that's when the kundalinisymptoms started happening.

I would get so
excited that I was

going to go into the hospitalto work, which started off being

one day, and then three days.

And then I realized Ihad to go back to school.

But I would get so excited,
I would get a migraine.

And of course, theycouldn't find anything wrong

with my brain.

I had an EEG, all that stuff.

There was nothing.

But as soon as I would
get my hands on somebody

who was dying, I could feel myheadache draining down my arms.

And it would come
out through my palms.

Not pain anymore,
but a tingling.

>> Kundalini is a naturalpart of being human.

It is an aspect
of the human being

that works like an electricalcapacitor to a small degree.

When a certain amount
of energy or a condition

warrants its release
into the body,

an extreme
transformation ensues.

Very powerful energy
that isn't electrical

will release into the body.

This can be triggered
by an accident

to the tailbone, or by extrememeditation, or extreme prayer,

or by severe emotional duress.

It can also be activated
by practices intended

for its release or by a personwho has it already flowing

strongly within.

Kundalini is a Sanskritword meaning "coiled up."

There are many other namesfor this energy from almost

every culture on Earth--

Greater Kan and Li
from China, Holy Fire

from the Christian mystics,Lung of the Tibetans,

Tummo Fire of theBuddhists, and Sufi latifahs

infused with zikr in Islam.

For thousands of years,
kundalini experiences

have been described in theesoteric teachings of Hindus,

Egyptians, Tibetans, Chinese,Native Americans, shamans,

the Bushmen of Africa.

The ancient Hindu
yoga practitioners

kept a concise and detailedmap of the symptomology

of kundalini.

>> And as soon as we come out ofthe womb, we start being told--

you're my son, you're going tobe this; you're my daughter,

you're going to do that.

You're a girl, you can't
do this; you're a boy,

you better not do that.

Layer upon layer upon
layer of identity.

Layer upon layer that hasto be shed in order for us

to come back to knowing
what our real nature is.

And that's what kundalini does.

>> The science of yoga
describes, in a sense,

the cycle of a soul'sjourney across many lifetimes

as having, in a sense,
two components of it.

One is called sovereignty.

It's the taking on of forms.

It's the soul that's justlooking for more experience,

pursue desires, all
these kinds of things.

And that builds more
karmas and more things

you have to do, and on,and on, and on like that.

At some point, the soul goes,this game is kind of tiresome.

There's just so much pleasureto be had through the senses,

through relationships, through
consuming this or that.

I vaguely remember being a partof something huge, and whole,

and complete, and full thatdidn't require anything

to come in.

>> When we had a bit of a longermeditation session is when I

had this experience.

And once I started
to meditate, then I

felt in the solar plexus areaa turning sensation and pain.

And at first, I thought, youknow, am I going to be ill?

Because that's the
only action, you

know, other than
normal digestion,

that I really ever had.

And I felt like I was kindof rocking a little bit back

and forth.

And then all of a sudden, therewas this explosion of light,

inner light.

And with my eyes
closed, I could see over

my head what I perceived
as the Star of David.

Now, I wasn't from
the Jewish tradition.

And I was surprised, to behonest with you, by that.

And at the same moment thatthat light came up to my head

and I saw that star,
I heard the words

"All men are created equal."

And then, when I was walkinghome at the end of the session,

I could see me coming toward me.

In other words, I
just saw myself.

Not necessarily
totally as I look,

but just brighter, with alittle bit of light interwoven

in the features, and so on.

I wasn't scared, it
didn't bother me.

I just thought to myself,well, I've finally met myself.

>> And you know, in
eastern traditions,

kundalini is seen
as the goddess.

So it's a form of
the divine feminine.

>> According to Hindutradition, kundalini Shakti were

the divine feminine energy
who resides at the base

of the spine in
the first chakra,

slowly makes her ascent upthe spine when she has been

awakened.

Her role as divine energy isto travel to the crown chakra

at the top of the head tounite with her beloved Shiva,

the divine masculine energyor pure consciousness,

who is inert until thesacred circuit is completed.

Shakti's duty is to
purify the individual

in the soul body, physicalbody, mental body,

psychological body,
emotional body

as she ascends, giving usher blessings to evolve

to our maximum potential.

Kundalini nourishes the
Tree of Life within us

and is coiled up like a serpent.

And therefore, it iscalled the "serpent power."

Christians called it areflection of the Holy Ghost.

The Old Testament symbol becomessignificant in Christianity

when Christ suggests
kundalini awakening.

"And as Moses lifted up theserpent in the wilderness,

even as the Son of
Man be lifted up,

that whosoever believeth
in Him should not

perish but have eternal life."

The caduceus held by
Roman god Mercury,

with one or two coiled serpentsentwined around the staff,

represents kundalini
which rises along

the central subtle channelin a spiral movement.

The Lord Buddha spoke of themiddle path to achieve nirvana.

He was actually describingthe central channel, sushumna,

through which the kundaliniascends from the root chakra

to the crown chakra.

In the Holy Quran,
prophet Muhammad Sahib

talked of the day
of resurrection,

when he says that the
"hands will speak."

When kundalini
awakening occurs, a flow

of energy in the form of coolvibrations from the hands

is experienced, and
the various chakras

can be felt on parts of
the hands and fingers.

Shekinah, the radiance ofGod, is the Hebrew concept

of kundalini Shakti.

It is a feminine Hebrewword meaning the "dwelling"

or "settling" and is used todenote the dwelling or settling

presence of God.

>> I dived pretty deep intoheavy drinking and drug use.

And that was more tonullify the emotional pain.

It didn't make things better,it made things much worse,

brought up a lot morenegativity within myself.

I think circumstances are beingdeveloped behind the scenes

to move us apart.

You know, my life has
been incredibly hard.

And I want nothing more thana connection with the divine.

And my current partnerdoesn't agree that that's

what life is for, you know.

>> From there, my marriage
was falling apart.

My husband really wanted me togo back to being the way I was.

And I mean, the way I was meantI had to go back on Valium

to suppress who I was.

And I wasn't willing anymore.

My soul was coming out, andI wasn't putting it back

in and pushing it down.

We started dating when
I was 14 and he was 17.

We were going
steady at 14 and 17.

And he wanted me to go back tothe way I was when I was 14.

And like I said, that
meant a lot of Valium.

I wanted to grow,
I wanted to change.

And change was the dirty word.

So we just went further, andfurther, and further apart.

My parents could not
figure me out at all.

You know, they stood
way off in a distance

and looked at me like, whois she, I don't know her.

I really couldn't find
any blood relatives

that I could commune
with anymore.

And that was very sad.

My friends, I have none ofthe friends I had back then.

My husband still does,
they're still together.

And you know, this
didn't happen overnight.

It took me nine years
to say I need a divorce.

Because I kept trying,
and trying, and trying.

It's like I knew from
that experience the way

it's supposed to be.

And I just kept wanting--

I just kept trying to tell themthe way it's supposed to be.

And nobody wants to hear that.

They haven't had the
experience I've had.

They wanted to keep
going the way it is.

So yeah, it was really,
really, really distant.

That's why I went back
to school and became

a respiratory therapist.

Because then I could
work with dying people.

And when you're working
with dying people,

there is such honesty.

>> You have to die to the ego.

And ego dies in surrender.

It's not a literal death,it's an absolute surrender.

So that the ordinary
ego mind that

seems to master, and control,and boss us around, and drive

is to buy this, own that, havethis, go out with this person,

whatever--

we have to die to
that in a certain way.

>> People understand thenormal sequential development

of the soul.

And you can't short-circuitthis development sequence

because it won't work.

And that's reason
why some people go

through a partial awakening,and then it goes away.

Or they'll go through
an awakening, and then

all of a sudden,
you see their ego

get real big as they start to"look what experience I had."

>> That happens in so manyspiritual traditions and types

of transformative experience.

We finally let go of the ego.

And then we're
flooded with grace,

and total transformation
can occur.

>> The three steps are--

dependency, which is
when a child is born,

they have surrendered theirauthority to the parent.

They are totally
dependent on the parent.

That then decreases,
and then the child

develops self-identity,which I joke right in here

as the 16-year-old hired the16-year-old while they still

know-it-all.

Then they have self-identityor self-worship,

the "look who I am."

And they think they
are in control.

They are not dependent
on someone else.

Then is the next
transition phase,

which is the diminishing ofthe ego or midlife crisis.

This is when bad
things start to happen.

And the ego says, wait aminute, if I were in control,

bad things wouldn't happen.

And that is the beginning ofthe diminishing of the self.

Now, as self diminishes,
as it comes down here,

this period right in
here, this transition,

would be the "dark
night of the soul."

The dark night of the soulis when the self is empty.

And in Christianity,
that's when Paul

talked about the "dying daily."

In other words,
the self must die.

And the reason is becauseif you're full of yourself,

you have no room for the divine.

So that just as
validation is what

helps a person build
their self-identity,

love is what helps a personbuild their divine identity.

A soul must go
through this sequence.

Now, the reason that near-deathexperiences accelerate

the process so much isbecause it instantaneously

destroys the ego.

It creates an
instantaneous surrender.

So once you've gone throughthat instantaneous surrender,

you can experience
God immediately.

>> Gopi Krishna, born in 1903near Kashmir in northern India

was one of the first peopleto popularize the concept

of kundalini among
Western readers.

He was a governmentoffice clerk and practiced

prolonged meditations
for a number of years.

In 1937, at the age of 34,while meditating one morning,

he experienced the suddenand forceful awakening

of kundalini.

>> Well, he was meditating.

He had taken up the practiceof meditation in his own life.

And I think he was
doing it, as far

as I understand, without
the help of a guru,

on a regular basis.

He was extremelydedicated to the practice.

He meditated
faithfully every day

for 17 years, including, ashe said, his wedding night.

So he knew his wife was going tobe very understanding and very

supportive.

>> One day in winter, aboutthe time of Christmas,

I was meditating
early in the morning,

when suddenly I found somethinggiving way in my brain,

as if a new aperture had opened.

And I felt energy rising
up from my spinal cord.

At first, I was terrified.

And my attention went to thissensation caused by the energy.

The moment my sensation wenttowards it, the vision ceased.

Then I again concentrated.

And ultimately, I managedto keep my attention

at the crown of my head,
while the energy rose

upward and upward through thespinal cord, through the neck,

and then into the brain.

And then I suddenly foundthat a stream of silvery light

was pulling into my brain.

There was a sound like thunderor like a waterfall in my ears.

And the noise grew louder,and louder, and louder.

At the same time,
I began to expand.

I cannot describe to youexactly what I mean by this.

But it seemed that myconsciousness was now gaining

a wider and wider space.

And I was leaving my bodybehind and projecting myself,

spreading myself all
around in the universe.

>> He had a bit of a difficulttime for a number of years not

only assimilating theexperience as to what it meant,

but also the effect it had
on his body physically,

on his psyche
physically as well.

And in the course
of those years--

I believe it was about 12years-- he meticulously

observed how the energy
was moving in his body,

and what happened to him alsoin his daily life in terms

of spontaneous
creative abilities,

like the writing of
poetry and so on.

He came to the conclusion fromthat that the experience he had

was parallel to or the sameas the experience of some

of the great mystics and
geniuses of the past.

And from that, he
put together the idea

that this kundalini
energy, if you will,

was the energy that's
driving evolution--

the evolution of
human consciousness

to the next stage, if you will.

Because it's an
evolutionary energy,

it's working in everyone.

And so people can have
spontaneous experiences

even if they don't have
a spiritual practice.

If they have a
spiritual practice,

they may have an experiencesooner rather than later.

Or in some cases, they
may not have it at all.

Gopi Krishna felt
that, again, there

was also a hereditary
component to this,

that somehow the body,
the nervous system

had to be in a
certain state of--

I'm just going to say thecertain state of health.

But not maybe health
as we understand it.

It had to be ready, I guess.

Or, if you will-- he used to usethe term-- it had to be "ripe"

for the experience.

Because there's, well, thousandsor hundreds of thousands

of people that meditate.

They're loving,
truthful, honest people

that don't necessarily
see that vision

or have a taste of that
mystical state that

is really the glory ofthe kundalini experience.

>> Before his death in
1984, at the age of 81,

he wrote 17 books on
higher consciousness.

>> He started to write poetryin languages he never spoke

or read.

Creative geniuses often saythat, well, you know, I just

saw it, it just came to me.

It was kind of
dropped in my lap.

And that's how Gopi Krishnaused to talk about it.

It was like this
information would

pass through hisinterior field of vision.

And if he didn't write itdown somehow or dictate it

to somebody as it was
happening, that was it.

It was gone.

And usually it came
so fast, that he

couldn't get it all at once.

And so there were missingwords, or missing phrases,

or whatever.

And then he'd have to
think on it on his own

to see maybe the
pattern that was there

or whatever it is, and makeit fit and work it out.

He also started a
social organization

that was devoted to helpingthe disadvantaged community,

especially with regard toissues concerning the well-being

and rights of women.

>> The energy, when it movesin you, starts to tune you up,

is maybe a good
way of putting it.

In some cases, the tuningup can be rather rough.

In Gopi Krishna's case,
I guess because it

was a very strong experience,and he had aggressively

done this meditation--

and I guess his
body really wasn't

totally prepared for it--

there was enough in
the heredity that

enabled him to eventuallyget through the experience

without getting into somereal serious difficulties.

Oddly enough, he felt--

and he's written
it in many places--

that what saved him as hewent through this experience

and had the trials
and tribulations of it

was the charitable work he haddone in his life, which you can

also call he received grace.

That was the key at
the end of the day.

The meditation, well,
of course, it helped.

Because it helped to
open up the channel.

But if he hadn't done thatto help other human beings,

he really felt that maybehe wouldn't have made it.

>> His main thrust over theyears was to write about

mystical experience and theevolution of consciousness from

a scientific point of view.

Traveling extensively inEurope and North America,

he dedicated his
life to promoting

the scientific
study of kundalini

and developing the
kundalini hypothesis.

>> He wanted science toinvestigate it for a couple

of reasons.

Number one was that
the world as it is

and the way we
are at the moment,

if it sort of gets
a stamp of approval

that it's
scientifically approved,

or there's been research done,or it's been investigated,

then there's something to it.

Of course, you know, theexperience for the individual

is subjective.

There are some similaritiesbetween experiences,

some changes that mayhappen to the individuals.

Some of these changes can
be perceived over time.

But it's not like you canput it in a little package

and say, there it
is, this is it,

touch it, put your finger on it.

You feel it, but if
somebody else hasn't

had that experience, andthey don't feel it's valid,

it's very difficult
to share it with them.

You know, it's been,
of course, known

as indescribable or ineffable.

So he wanted science to
investigate it for that,

in the sense that if therewas an investigation,

it would also get
a lot of publicity.

Then people might also becomeinterested in learning about it

even beforehand.

And then if they had a
spontaneous experience,

it may save them, you know,some of the difficulties.

>> Isaac Newton and AlbertEinstein are among the many

eminent scientists who have hadan interest in and appreciation

for religious and esotericthought and experience.

In Newton's case,
he wrote extensively

on the subject of alchemy, andin the early 1690s, apparently

devoted more time to alchemythan all his other pursuits.

Einstein expressed
his appreciation

by proclaiming, "I maintainthat cosmic religious feeling is

the strongest and
noblest incitement

to scientific research."

He further explains that "thescientist's religious feeling

takes the form of a
rapturous amazement

at the harmony of
natural law, which

reveals an intelligence
of such superiority

that, compared with it,all the systematic thinking

and acting of human beingsis an utterly insignificant

reflection."

>> I once asked Gopi Krishnahow long did he think we

as a species would
inhabit the Earth.

His mind-boggling reply
was that human beings

would continue to live onthis planet for about 4

million years longer.

During this unimaginable
length of time,

we will, of course, colonizeother planets, he said.

But our species will dwellon Earth for about as long

as our Sun continues to shine,which, by some estimates,

is about four
million years more.

If that's the case,
I asked, why then

are you so keen on launchingthe scientific investigation

of kundalini now?

Because, he said, it is thesafest and most effective

way to rid the world of
the overhanging threat

of a nuclear war.

To my way of
thinking, that is what

distinguishes an illuminatedyogi from an ordinary person.

He or she becomes a spiritualgenius and a prophet

able to see into thefuture, both near and far.

And because of the spiritualgenius or illuminated genius

can see into the future,
such men and women

are essential for oursurvival in the atomic age.

>> Another part to it is, Ibelieve he was sure in himself

that this investigation wouldbring out some surprises

for the scientific communityin terms of what their theories

are about consciousness, aboutthe mind, about the brain,

and about the evolution
of consciousness.

And that's how science hasadvanced usually that there's

a contradiction somewhere.

Whatever the theory
is they have,

they come to a bit
of a roadblock,

and they can't explain that.

So he was convinced of that.

And a good example of that, inthe last 10 or 15 years anyway,

is the concept of
neuroplasticity,

where the neurons in the braincan make different connections

and can lead to changesin how the brain functions

in the individual.

25 years ago, science believed,well, the brain, that was it.

It was fixed for life,
and that's all you got.

So there's a good exampleright there, that's current.

>> And there hasn't beena scientific investigation

into the phenomenon
of kundalini.

Nor has there been any
meaningful research

into consciousness.

Why not?

Because it is not possibleto understand consciousness

without first
investigating and coming

to know something more aboutthe phenomenon of kundalini.

At present, we have only GopiKrishna's inner explorations

to go by.

But his observations cannotbe accepted by science until

and unless they areverified by experimentation.

And for this kind of researchto be taken up by science,

Gopi Krishna's theories need tobe widely discussed and debated

first.

For example, if a certainpractice of meditation

were to culminate in theproduction of an Einstein

or a Plato right before theeyes of leading scientists,

they would readily acknowledgethe efficacy of the discipline.

And then there would be
thousands of emulators,

all fired up with
the hope of attaining

to the same extraordinarystate of cosmic consciousness.

Then all the
resources of science

would be mobilized togain more and more insight

into this state.

This concept would put
a different complection

on religion also.

It would have to concede thatthe whole race is evolving

in the same direction--

the direction followed bythe great sages and prophets

of the past--

and that it has to
achieve the same goal.

It also has to be admitted thenthat what we call miraculous,

or supernatural, or
paranormal phenomena

might be the
outcome of laws that

rule the spiritual world orthe forces compounding it,

of which we have no real
awareness at present.

>> People don't realize
that just as the anatomy

and physiology of the physicalbody is the same no matter what

your religion, the anatomyand physiology of the soul is

the same no matter
what your religion.

So if you were to
compare, for example,

Saint Teresa of
Avila's Interior Castle

and her Christian writingsfrom the 15th century

about her kundalini
awakening, if you

were to put that side by
side with Gopi Krishna's

description of his
kundalini awakening,

they are both saying
the same thing.

And that's what's reallyneat, because no matter what

your religion is, it
is the same thing.

>> It all came out of
the study of yogis,

and advanced meditators, andmeditators that had abilities

and capacities to changehow their body, their mind,

their brain worked in ways thatconventional Western medicine

said was impossible.

And the methods and techniquesthat are employed in yoga

were originally discoveredthrough the actions

of awaken kundalini.

What we think of yoga
postures in the West,

the Hatha yoga asanas,
they were first observed

and continue to be
observed in people

who have awakened kundalini.

They may go through some
of these postures quite

spontaneously.

Well, we're already studyingthe Hatha yoga and other things

related to breathwork
and mindfulness

that have very good
health benefits

and that are very importantfor all of society in terms

of changing cardiovascularhealth, decreasing stress,

stress that exacerbates allkinds of medical conditions.

So it would be a
very fruitful way

of being able to pursue whatof the many kundalini-related

techniques in science from theancient sages of the Eastern

tradition would have
medical benefits today.

We're in the earliest stagesof infancy of the research.

Because research
takes money, and money

goes after legitimate problems.

There's not enough belief orunderstanding about kundalini.

So I think there's a lot
of intermediary steps

that are being built.

Because there is money
that's getting funded,

research being funded--

for instance,mindfulness-based relaxation,

kinds of stress management
exercises, meditation.

There is meditation
research being done.

There's certain forms of yogastarting to be researched.

The crunch in health dollarsmakes it very important

that we discover ways
to support wellness.

It's much more cost effectiveto support a person's wellness

than to try and treat
a chronic condition.

So it's going to be more
effective to try and do

research and show that
a yoga lifestyle is

going to be healthier.

When you look at a country,for instance, China,

that has such a hugepopulation, and yet, you'll

see in every city,
people doing things

like Tai Chi in the morning--

hundreds and hundreds ofpeople, thousands of people,

millions of people
across the country.

And that's been promoted.

We need to have that
kind of philosophy.

We need to have in
the West the idea

of what do we do to
promote optimal health,

optimal well-being.

And yoga kinds of practicescan really support that.

They have a tremendousamount to give in that way.

That will be building
bridges towards then

being able to do researchon sort of the more

esoteric levels of yoga, thingsrelated to kundalini and energy

in that.

>> People will followsociety's rules not out of fear

of consequences and legalism,but out of love for mankind.

Same rules, not
one dot is removed,

but you follow them out of love.

And the reason is becauseas consciousness grows--

if you were to be able tosee an individual soul,

an individual soul is about--

the average, some are greater--

the average is about 15 feetout from the physical body

or about 30 feet in diameter.

That's at its smallest.

As consciousness
raises, it expands,

and it gets greater and greater.

So you have all these peoplewhose consciousness is focused

down here, at the lower level.

Think of a V, and theirconsciousness is at the bottom.

They view everyone else
as separate from them,

and life is a competition.

But as your
consciousness raises up,

you start to realize
these Vs overlap.

And you start to realize
that that other person's

consciousness is within yours.

So you start to
develop some altruism.

And as you get to a higherlevel of consciousness,

you realize that
everyone exists within

the same unified consciousness.

So if I cause harm to you,I'm causing harm to myself.

>> Well, I would expect thatthere's going to be more

of individuals being seen ashaving these kinds of symptoms

looking beyond thepsychopathology that is often

these things are characterizedas and looking for some help

and saying, wait a minute, thishas to do with transcendent

states.

We need to have the kindof psychology-- and we do,

in terms of liketranspersonal psychology--

that says, these kinds ofstates aren't pathological,

these are enlightened states.

These are optimal states,these are transcendent states.

People need to learn how tointegrate those so that they

don't become dysfunctional.

But it's a sign that
that's a possibility.

And how do we develop the kindsof treatment paradigms, places

that help people integratethese experiences?

>> The thing to be
aware of, though,

is that in this
process right here,

where this person could go backhere, there is a process that,

for a person going through it,it's very difficult for them

to identify it.

And it's what I call the
false kundalini process

or the false born-again.

It's a fairly easy process,if I were ruthless and wanted

to control people, to
lead them through it.

What it is, it's a
mind control technique.

It's really simple.

It's done quite often incharismatic churches, where

you step one, allow the
volume of your voice

to go up and down; step two,tell a sad story, happy story,

knock a person's emotionalconsciousness off balance;

step three, induce guilt,fear, anger; step 4,

offer them a way
to get rid of that.

They will swear on aBible they are born-again.

It has absolutely nothing
to do with religion.

It is a mind control game.

It's actually a stagehypnosis induction technique.

This also applies to
the kundalini process.

It's totally false.

And where it is
so dangerous is--

the pitfall is thatinstead of you surrendering

to the divine, which is whattakes a person up this slope,

this person surrenders theirauthority to another human

being.

This is true on an individualbasis on the spiritual path.

It's also true on agreater basis in society.

For example, the
Germans, the Prussians

were very proud people prior toWorld War I. They were up here.

But they lost the war
that put them down here.

At the same time, there wasthe flu epidemic of 1918.

At the same time,
there was famine.

So the people were
in a terrible place.

If you look at AbrahamMaslow's hierarchy of needs,

it was the base layer
that they were looking

for-- food, shelter, security.

Security-- things
that give comfort.

So what ended up happening,they looked for someone

to surrender their authority to.

And that set the stage
for the leader that

led them into World War II.

Or 2000 years ago, the Jewswere a very proud society.

But they were defeated
by the Romans.

They were down here.

They were looking
for a King, someone

to surrender their authority to.

And along came this guy.

And they tried to
make him their King.

And he said, no, no,
no, but I will teach you

how to get from here to here.

Right there is what the
New Testament is about.

If I must brag, let
me brag of my faults.

The humbled, the meekshall inherit the Kingdom.

In other words,
diminish the self.

You know, the dark night of thesoul, which is right in here.

And what is the most
important commandment?

Love, which is what
brings you up here.

>> The true language
of love is silence.

Family, friends, employers,country, state, and city--

all of your life can be
continued and expressed

within the parameters of
walking a higher path.

Much of this path will be uniqueto you and your circumstances

in life.

You will be given what
you need to flourish.

Your job is to surrender
to the surprising gifts

and experiences that willtypically come your way.

You'll need to source yourselfand make your own decision.

>> Basically, what we all haveto do is understand and realize

that the mystics that came inthe past and the advice they

gave, which is passed
down, basically,

in the religious scripturesabout the mode of life that we

lead, is key.

There's obviously diet, generalphysical health, and so on.

But the mental
health of the person,

in the sense of
how we think, how

we behave to develop compassion,understanding, and love,

is the key for a healthy processand a healthy human race.

>> Everyone should stop
and ask themselves,

why am I doing what I'm doing?

What's my purpose?

What's the meaning ofwhat I'm chasing in life?

Whether it be my
identity as a parent

with a dozen of
children, whether it

be a pile of wealth
or pension funds,

what is the purpose
of what I am doing?

And what is my purpose
for being here?

Because by asking
the right questions,

the answers will come to you.

>> Every one of us hasto build a better person.

That's how the world is going
to, in my mind, survive.

You can't legislate it,you can't do it by force.

It has to bloom.

And it will bloom.

Kundalini is also considered tobe the guardian of evolution.

So a higher consciousnessor cosmic consciousness

isn't just an experiencefor a short period of time.

At the end of the
day, we're supposedly

going to live in it like we livenow, except with that glory,

and that love, and that
awe, and the perception

that generally we don't
have at the moment

>> I worked as an estate plannerfor years with very wealthy

people.

And the first
question I asked them

was, how much are you worththree minutes after you're

dead?

What good is your wealth
is what I'm saying.

It's a tool.

It is not your mission.

>> So the intellect is thereto help us develop a lifestyle

where we can take advantageof it and develop ourselves

spiritually.

But what's happening
in general is we're not

spending that time that way.

We're either workingharder to make more money,

or we're kind of just goofing
around doing something.

And that's OK.

We should have fun.

Life is supposed to be fun.

It's supposed to be joyful.

But we have to have a balance.

>> If people will pursue
their highest nature,

that is the way to pursuethe unfolding of kundalini.

Pursue your highest
nature as a loving,

compassionate generous,
kind human being.

Pursue your ability
to serve others

with that kind of attitude.

And you will be fully pursuingthe Holy Spirit, the kundalini,

however you want to call it.

And it will become alive
and present in you.

>> You have mysticism on oneside, if you will, or religion.

And you have empirical
science on the other.

And they meet a little bit.

But there's things that onecan do for the other and vice

versa.

And that I think we need tofocus on a little bit more

in this time.

Technology can give us
the time to meditate.

You know, we don't have tobe afraid of being attacked

by wild animals all the time.

We have conveniences,
so that we're not

spending all day longdoing hard physical labor

and then exhausted at the end.

So it's something thatGopi Krishna pointed out.

That's why we've beenprovided with those advances.

>> People need to findtheir own answers though.

Not "here's my answer, thisfits universally for everyone."

It has to be their purpose,
not what I tell them

their purpose should be.

Eventually, everyone willfind the same purpose.

But there's many steps
to get to that place.

>> We're not going to passenough laws to make people do

something that they
don't want to do.

And that is the other reasonwhy Gopi Krishna wanted science

to investigate it.

Of course, he was
confident that they

would validate the process insome way, or they would find--

something would
be different that

would change people's ideas.

And that once that
happened, people

would realize that having thisexperience even for 10 seconds

is more than all the
money in the world.

It means nothing.

And that's why historically,well, Buddha was a King, right?

He just threw it, gave itaway, left it, didn't need it.

There are stories in thenewspaper now of millionaires,

multimillionaires justdonating their money away

because their life is empty.

It's empty because thiscomponent is missing from it.

And so I would wish everyonethat there would be stadiums

where-- you know how people
go to a sporting event

now to watch?

Well, instead of watchinga sporting event,

you'd be able to seesomebody have this experience

and have the joy from it.

And that joy, to acertain degree, of course,

would spread.

And then people would realize,well, gee, maybe I can do it.

The downside is,
there's no shortcuts,

and there's no guarantee.

But still, it's
certainly worth, to me.

It's going to make the worlda better place irregardless.

>> We are co-creating our lifewith an energy that is so much

wiser than we are.

We've let go of control.

We're not trying tocontrol our life anymore.

This energy is
moving through life.

And I really feel
like my journey

has been a constant learninghow to let go and let

this energy guide me
to become who I am now.

What I found was that I
was capable of writing.

I never knew I was a writer.

I started writing
about all this.

And I was getting publishedin nursing journals

and respiratory therapy journalswhile I was still a student.

I wound up going to Connecticutand learning all about

psychiatric research.

And I was able to interviewnear-death experiences

for six years about kundalini.

And that's been my life.

And then I met my now husband.

So everything unfolded.

I was terrified when
I left, I really was.

But I knew I had to do it.

I had to save my soul.

We have a wonderful
relationship now.

And I have a wonderfulrelationship with my kids.

And I have a wonderful husband.

So yeah, there were
some scary years there.

But boy, is it
all been worth it.

I'd do it all over again.

>> I found a way to open upto this energy and develop it

in a safe way.

It's been from dawn to midnightof constant spiritual work.

It's energy work.

Ultimately, and maybe
this is my ego talking,

but enlightenment is thegoal of this Earth plane.

And that's where I want to be.

I may not get here
this lifetime.

But as far as I
can get is my goal.

So if she comes
knocking, open the door.

>> Divinity has no limitationsinside of the material

universe.

It's abundance is
without measure.

And it is into this abundanceof love, joy, opportunity,

and creation that
we travel as it

is opened to us when
we take our first steps

off the threshold of light.

Kundalini forms the bridgethat one walks to and from

in living a life that is
exalted and earthbound

at the same time.

It is very important to comeinto our divine expression

and acceptance of kundalini fromthe aspect of our core self--

yes, the actual
you that you are,

the essence of your personhood.

This would include the
validation of the you

that you are, the
sex, the looks, all

of the descriptors of you.

And from this honest
understanding,

we take into account
the brutalities of life

that have been experienced.

We accept and
realize the lessons

of these incursions
and sculptings

into and of our soul.

And we move into
the understanding

that we are still who we are.

We are still that divine
truth made manifest

on this and in the many worlds.

What have you adopted
and internalized

as part of a coping strategy?

How have you been forcedinto a mold that is not you?

Where are you?

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