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Ron Pundak:
It's hard to find
an opening to my story,
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a tale of a small cog in
the history of our region.
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I can only write my
own private memories
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of these three years
of hope and anguish.
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Is this a tale of triumph,
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or defeat?
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The ending to our story
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has not yet been written.
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Ve zeh--
This is obviously shit.
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Pundak:
Perhaps, I should start
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with the one decisive
Wednesday, on July '92,
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when Professor Hirschfeld
called me up with
a dangerous proposition:
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joining him for
a secret meeting
with our sworn enemies,
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the Palestinian
Liberation Organization,
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known to all as the PLO.
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Pundak:
The PLO were
a terrorist organization
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led by Yasser Arafat,
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a man many Israelis
considered Hitler's
successor.
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Arafat believed
in armed struggle...
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- ... fighting for
Palestinian freedom.
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- He took pride
in the slaughter
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of the athletes
in the Munich Olympics,
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opening fire on
school children
in Ma'alot,
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and planting deadly bombs
all over Israel.
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The problem was
Arafat was the only one
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- who Palestinians
looked up to.
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He had the final say
on all negotiations,
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but Israel refused
to talk to him.
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Nine months ago,
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Rabin was elected
to lead Israel
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on a platform of
peace and security.
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But as the months went by,
he delivered neither.
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As the terror attacks
were on the rise,
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and the peace process
was deadlocked,
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Rabin's right-wing
opposition
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rose in the polls,
and threatened
to overrun him
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before he even completed
his first year in office.
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Pundak:
In a desperate attempt
to renew the peace talks,
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Professor Hirschfeld decided
to act outside the law,
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and set up
a secret back channel
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to negotiate with the PLO.
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"If we get caught,"
Hirschfeld said,
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"we will be charged
with treason and espionage,
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and probably end up in jail."
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"Sounds like a sweet offer,"
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I winked at Hirschfeld.
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Shimon Peres: We were in
a very strange situation.
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Legally...
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the law forbids us
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to come into contact
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with the Palestinians.
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I thought this foolish.
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If you don't go
to contact the Palestinians,
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what are you going to do?
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And terror was very painful.
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I mean, bombs in cars,
in buses,
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all over the world!
They were very active.
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They had quite
an organization of terror.
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Abu Ala:
The Oslo process,
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which I like to call
the Accidental Channel,
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was neither pre-planned
nor pre-programmed.
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My own partial involvement
began in December '92,
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when I was sent by
the PLO to Norway,
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to meet secretly with
two Israeli professors.
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On my long flight
from Tunisia to Oslo,
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I remembered the day
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I was forced to flee
my home in Abu Dis,
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when the PLO was
declared illegal.
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I left my family
and home behind,
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under the
oppressive occupation
of the Israeli Army,
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and swore I'd return
the day we were liberated.
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In the past 25 years,
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Rabin was known to us
as the "Bone Breaker,"
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the architect
of the iron fist policy
of repression.
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The idea of meeting our
occupiers face-to-face
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did not appeal to me at all.
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But the freedom of Palestine
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demanded all of us
to take high risks.
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Pundak:
To muddy our tracks,
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we informed the university
we would take part in
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an academic summit
held by the Norwegians.
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We were supplied
with fake pamphlets
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and a made-up schedule,
which was a complete lie.
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The pamphlets never
stated that the summit
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will consist of only
five participants:
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two Israelis and three
Palestinians from Tunis.
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As we approached
the secluded villa,
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hidden deep within
the Norwegian forest,
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a chill ran through
my spine.
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Negotiating with terrorists
was one thing in theory,
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but now,
I was just hoping
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that we didn't make
a terrible mistake.
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Our first handshake
was rather tense.
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I scanned the people
in front of me,
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and matched their faces
to the memos
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we had prepared
back home.
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Abu Ala served as
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the Palestinian
minister of finance.
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Beside him sat
Maher El-Kurd,
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Arafat's confidant.
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The youngest of the group
was Hassan Asfour,
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a militant communist
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who was the most
aggressive of the three.
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The Palestinians wanted
to know who we were,
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and who we represented.
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But all we could say was
that we were two professors
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who were here
against the law.
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Hirschfeld:
The morning started bad.
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The morning started bad.
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Abu Ala said,
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"We Palestinians understand
how difficult it was
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"to live under Nazi
occupation in Norway.
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"You surely understand
how difficult it was
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to live, for us to live
under Israeli occupation."
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And if he would've wanted
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to say something
more irritating me,
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and more getting me up,
like, this is--
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There are certain things
you're not allowed to do.
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If you really think that
there's any comparison
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between Israelis
and Palestinians,
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and the Nazis...
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if you ever say this again,
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I'm going to stand up
and move out.
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It never came back.
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It never came back again,
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and I think this was a very...
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it was a very unpleasant start,
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but it was an important start.
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Ala:
We knew that all
past negotiations
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had been fruitless,
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and in order
to tempt Rabin,
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we had to come up with
a completely new offer.
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To be perfectly honest,
I said,
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we are standing on
the verge of a new war,
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which will harm
both sides.
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We are serious in reaching
an understanding with you
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and are open for
a historic compromise.
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Until now,
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we have demanded your
immediate withdrawal
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from the occupied
territories,
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but we realize it
won't happen overnight.
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Arafat wants to bring up
the possibility
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of withdrawal from
the Gaza Strip
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as a first step
toward peace.
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Pundak:
Hirschfeld and I
exchanged glances,
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although we were
trying to conceal them,
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we were stunned.
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The PLO was considered
an extremist group,
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and here was
Arafat's messenger
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with a game-changer
solution.
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Interviewer:
Did you trust the Israelis
from the beginning?
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It is not easy to say that
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when you start talking
with your enemy that you trust.
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But you-- if you want peace,
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you should convince
yourself to trust,
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and later on, by experience,
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you can say that's
serious or not.
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The guys which we met...
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...Hirschfeld or Pundak,
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it seems to me,
after more than a meeting,
they were serious.
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Pundak:
When the meeting
was over,
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Hirschfeld and I retreated
to our rooms to compose
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the first draft of
the developing proposal.
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We began by nervously
typing the words,
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"Gaza first,"
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on a Norwegian letterhead,
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so that if it leaked,
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Israel could deny
its existence.
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Now we were left
with the most
difficult task of all--
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presenting the draft
to the decision makers.
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Beilin:
The big tension was,
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how would Peres take it?
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But more than that,
how would Rabin take it?
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I was almost sure
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that once Peres
takes it to Rabin,
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Rabin will throw him away.
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So, I told Peres
I sent Yair Hirschfeld
and Ron Pundak
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to Oslo to meet
some PLO people.
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And after some meetings,
they have this paper,
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and I really want
you to look at it
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and decide what
we are doing with it.
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So, "Okay, thank you."
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Then, next day,
I'm asking him,
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Shimon, did you read
the paper?
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He said, "No," and,
"Yeah, I saw it."
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Another day, did you read
the paper? "No, I didn't."
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And then he read it.
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And then he understood that
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he had something
explosive in his hands.
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No, I didn't take it seriously.
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I didn't take it seriously.
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The draft wasn't worth,
in my eyes,
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a penny, a thing.
Not at all.
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The fact, the important fact was
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the discovery of Abu Ala.
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A plan without Abu Ala,
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you had many plans like it.
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Brit Shalom.
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Full of-- Take the papers,
they are full of plans.
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I don't think that there
are any region in the world
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that has so many plans,
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with so little results,
in the Middle East.
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Pundak:
As the wave of terror
engulfed the streets,
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the protests
outside the homes
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of Rabin and Peres
became routine.
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The two leaders were stuck
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between a rock
and a hard place.
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They were losing their
war against terror,
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and the peace process
showed no signs of revival.
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Perhaps the Oslo channel
was their only way out.
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With a heavy heart,
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they authorized us
to continue the talks,
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as long as we exercised
every precaution
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to keep the news
from leaking.
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If it became known we were
deliberating with the PLO,
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it would be their
last day in office.
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Now that the leaders
were involved,
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we were no longer
in the driver's seat.
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Peres announced
that the Oslo channel
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will now be lead
by Uri Savir,
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the director general
of the foreign ministry,
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and Joel Singer,
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a rigid military lawyer.
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Joel Singer:
Now, we are bringing
a military lawyer.
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♪ Pam-pam-pam-pam-paam! ♪
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Former colonel
that was dealing
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with the law in
the West Bank and Gaza,
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and I come there
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to meet with the PLO,
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terrorist, murderers.
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So, from my perspective,
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it was like a theater.
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As I go into the room,
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and see Abu Ala
the first time,
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he comes to me,
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and kisses me
on both cheeks.
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A terrorist is kissing me.
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Oh my God, I've been
kissed by a terrorist.
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And probably, he thought,
"I just kissed...
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a milita--
a former military--"
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I mean...
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men don't kiss one another
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in the United States
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or in Israel.
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That was the first time a man
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kissed me.
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Savir:
Before the first
round of talks,
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I decided to get acquainted
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with my counter partner,
Abu Ala.
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"Where are you from,"
he asked.
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Jerusalem, I replied.
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"I am also from Jerusalem,"
he said.
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"Where is your father from?"
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He was born in Germany.
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"My father was
born in Jerusalem
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and still lives
there," he said.
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We can go all the way back
to King David, I replied,
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and didn't try
to conceal my anger.
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I'm sure we could argue
about the past for years
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and never reach
an agreement.
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Let's try and see
if we can agree
on the future.
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"All right," he said,
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"And we'll reach our first
mutual understanding.
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We won't argue about
the past ever again."
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Pundak:
Singer started the meeting
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by announcing that we had
a real concrete proposal
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for the signed agreement.
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All trace of our optimistic
document was erased
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and was replaced
by Rabin's agenda
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that put security
and defense
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before cooperation
and coexistence.
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Rabin had refused
to deliberate
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on the core issues
of the conflicts,
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demanding to discuss
them at a later stage.
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His offer did not include
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any mention of
uprooting settlements,
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dividing Jerusalem,
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the return of
the Palestinian refugees,
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and definitive borders.
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As the reading commenced,
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the Palestinians'
astonishment grew.
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After a few minutes,
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Abu Ala turned to Asfour
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and muttered
quietly in Arabic,
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"It's a massacre."
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Ala:
The last round of talks
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left me more
confused than ever.
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Despite Singer's
humiliating offer,
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it was clear we are now
in the major leagues.
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It was no longer
an initiative
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of two peace-loving
professors,
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but of Rabin and Peres
themselves.
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All the while,
the news painted
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an entirely
different picture.
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Rabin tightened his fist.
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Everyday, demonstrators
were being killed
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throughout Palestine,
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some of them, innocent kids.
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Who should we believe?
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The reality on TV
or Uri's promises?
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Ala:
The next round of talks
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had been an epic battle over
the text of the agreement.
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Both parties,
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unwilling to compromise,
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appear to be heading
for a final showdown.
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We all stuck to our guns
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as our leaders
had instructed us.
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I found it hard
to remember to eat.
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At times,
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I had to remember
to breathe.
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On the 11th round in Oslo,
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we arrived with
a proposition of our own.
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Perhaps Singer
and the Israeli delegation
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thought we would
surrender to their terms,
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but that would not be
the case.
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Our revised proposition
stated,
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the end goal will be
the UN Resolution 242,
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demanding Israel's
withdrawal
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from the occupied
territories.
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Savir:
The Palestinian
proposition enraged me,
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and I responded with
outright opposition.
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We will not acknowledge
Resolution 242
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because it means retreating
to the '67 borders,
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and we refuse to discuss
borders at this stage.
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We started believing
the PLO
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were our partners
in this initiative,
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00:22:20,417 --> 00:22:22,709
but when we put
our cards down,
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the PLO always
seems to back away
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from any clear decision.
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Maybe people were right,
saying that the Palestinians
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never miss an opportunity
to miss an opportunity.
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Singer:
There was
a lot of tension.
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People walking
out of the room,
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00:22:40,583 --> 00:22:43,208
slamming the doors,
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but it was all a game.
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00:22:45,375 --> 00:22:47,709
You know? We knew that...
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00:22:48,875 --> 00:22:50,417
that they are...
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desperate
to reach an agreement.
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I just said, let them...
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00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:04,667
Let it...
We need to let it all play out,
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and then we'll just say no.
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Ala:
The Israeli's dismissed
our proposition,
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refusing to discuss
the definitive borders
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at this stage.
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00:23:25,125 --> 00:23:26,500
I said to Uri,
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00:23:26,583 --> 00:23:29,208
you refuse to recognize
our national rights
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and insist on retaining
all the settlements.
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We prefer to wait
another 10 years
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for a reasonable offer.
366
00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:39,917
Uri fired back,
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00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,250
"In that case,
you will keep waiting
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00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:44,041
for the Messiah to arrive."
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00:23:44,959 --> 00:23:46,625
I said to Uri,
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00:23:46,709 --> 00:23:49,750
we have made every
possible effort
371
00:23:49,834 --> 00:23:52,291
to reach a peace agreement
with you,
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00:23:52,375 --> 00:23:54,709
but, unfortunately,
373
00:23:54,792 --> 00:23:57,834
I now find myself
unable to go on.
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I have decided to resign
from the talks.
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00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,417
Savir:
The room fell silent.
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00:24:06,500 --> 00:24:10,750
A dark expression spread
across Abu Ala's face,
377
00:24:10,834 --> 00:24:12,208
and he seemed powerless
378
00:24:12,291 --> 00:24:15,333
as he rose to his feet
and left the room.
379
00:24:16,208 --> 00:24:18,792
This time,
it was really over.
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00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:31,166
Ala:
Within myself,
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00:24:31,250 --> 00:24:33,542
my feelings were mixed.
382
00:24:34,375 --> 00:24:36,792
For years, we have fought
for freedom
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00:24:36,875 --> 00:24:39,000
on all of Palestine,
384
00:24:39,083 --> 00:24:41,166
but now we were
offered peace
385
00:24:41,250 --> 00:24:43,500
with heavy compromises.
386
00:24:44,542 --> 00:24:48,166
The weight on my shoulders
had become unbearable.
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00:24:49,041 --> 00:24:52,667
Will I fail my people
by abandoning peace,
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00:24:52,750 --> 00:24:55,333
or by abandoning
the struggle?
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00:25:28,750 --> 00:25:30,875
♪ ♪
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00:25:32,625 --> 00:25:35,709
Ala:
Uri asked me how
I was feeling.
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00:25:35,792 --> 00:25:38,667
I didn't hide my emotions.
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00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:40,792
Both sides are stubborn,
393
00:25:40,875 --> 00:25:44,375
and do not grasp
the importance
of the moment.
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00:25:44,458 --> 00:25:48,083
I just cannot continue
this negotiation.
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00:25:48,166 --> 00:25:49,875
Savir:
I told Abu Ala,
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00:25:49,959 --> 00:25:51,875
if you can't cure
the illness,
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00:25:51,959 --> 00:25:54,500
we must find its cause.
398
00:25:54,583 --> 00:25:57,250
Let's put aside the maps
and the agreements
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00:25:57,333 --> 00:26:01,208
and begin with recognizing
each other as partners.
400
00:26:01,291 --> 00:26:05,000
The PLO will denounce
all terror attacks
against Israel,
401
00:26:05,083 --> 00:26:07,417
and we will stop viewing
you as terrorists
402
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:10,959
and allow Arafat to return
to his homeland.
403
00:26:12,917 --> 00:26:15,417
Ala:
I promised Uri
I would present
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00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:19,959
his mutual recognition
proposal to Arafat in Tunis.
405
00:26:21,291 --> 00:26:23,000
Perhaps this round of talks
406
00:26:23,083 --> 00:26:25,917
wasn't a complete
failure after all.
407
00:26:27,792 --> 00:26:29,291
Interviewer:
I understand that you
were born in Abu Dis
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00:26:29,375 --> 00:26:32,709
and you left this
area many years ago.
409
00:26:32,792 --> 00:26:34,542
Do you think,
do you dream about
410
00:26:34,625 --> 00:26:37,166
your coming back
to your home?
411
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,875
That's my dream
in all the period
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00:26:40,959 --> 00:26:43,583
which I am
so far from it, yeah.
413
00:26:43,667 --> 00:26:45,083
-To go back?
-Exactly.
414
00:26:45,166 --> 00:26:46,750
And what to do?
415
00:26:46,834 --> 00:26:48,709
To live there as a citizen.
416
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:52,667
And it's too much for me.
417
00:26:58,875 --> 00:27:01,542
Singer:
We were negotiating
in Oslo
418
00:27:01,625 --> 00:27:04,083
in complete secrecy.
419
00:27:04,166 --> 00:27:07,458
No one knew about
it outside of this
420
00:27:07,542 --> 00:27:10,166
very small group.
421
00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:11,291
And then,
422
00:27:11,375 --> 00:27:13,750
when we were in Oslo,
423
00:27:13,834 --> 00:27:16,125
suddenly, it leaked out.
424
00:27:16,208 --> 00:27:18,792
The story leaked out.
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00:27:18,875 --> 00:27:21,166
♪ ♪
426
00:28:03,917 --> 00:28:05,709
Beilin:
The worst thing
that could happen
427
00:28:05,792 --> 00:28:08,500
was the premature
exposure of the channel.
428
00:28:08,583 --> 00:28:10,500
Reporters kept calling me,
429
00:28:10,583 --> 00:28:13,208
and I consistently
denied everything,
430
00:28:13,291 --> 00:28:16,417
without giving any
unnecessary explanations.
431
00:28:17,291 --> 00:28:20,000
But I knew,
we couldn't keep up
432
00:28:20,083 --> 00:28:21,792
this charade much longer.
433
00:28:23,291 --> 00:28:25,667
It was only a matter
of time until the Likud
434
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:28,208
used the talks to make
Rabin and Peres
435
00:28:28,291 --> 00:28:29,959
seem like traitors,
436
00:28:30,041 --> 00:28:34,709
who were conspiring with
the murderous Arafat.
437
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:50,375
Singer:
We were trying
to beat the clock
438
00:28:50,458 --> 00:28:53,834
by reaching
an agreement before
439
00:28:53,917 --> 00:28:56,333
a premature leakage would
440
00:28:56,417 --> 00:28:57,750
stop the Oslo agreement.
441
00:28:57,834 --> 00:28:59,959
♪ ♪
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00:29:02,792 --> 00:29:04,709
Ala:
The mutual
recognition option
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00:29:04,792 --> 00:29:07,041
excited the leadership
in Tunis,
444
00:29:07,125 --> 00:29:10,000
and I was sent back to Oslo
with Arafat's support.
445
00:29:14,542 --> 00:29:16,542
It seemed
as if the Israelis
446
00:29:16,625 --> 00:29:20,583
returned with a deep desire
to move forward as well.
447
00:30:13,542 --> 00:30:16,291
♪ ♪
448
00:30:16,375 --> 00:30:19,667
Savir:
The next day, we started
with a crucial debate.
449
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:22,750
We zeroed in
on the difficult
problems first.
450
00:30:22,834 --> 00:30:25,291
Terms move
from line to line.
451
00:30:25,375 --> 00:30:28,625
Substitute words replaced
problematic ones.
452
00:30:28,709 --> 00:30:30,458
Unnecessary sentences
453
00:30:30,542 --> 00:30:33,625
were tossed into
the large draft bin.
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00:30:33,709 --> 00:30:36,959
Although it was clear that
there was only one pathway
455
00:30:37,041 --> 00:30:40,041
that would lead to peace
between the two nations,
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00:30:40,125 --> 00:30:42,875
each side feared
the reaction of its people
457
00:30:42,959 --> 00:30:45,291
when they'd be presented
with an agreement
458
00:30:45,375 --> 00:30:47,709
that included
painful concessions.
459
00:30:49,542 --> 00:30:51,667
Abu Ala would be
considered a traitor
460
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:54,667
for signing an agreement
that abstained discussing
461
00:30:54,750 --> 00:30:57,000
the fate of the settlements.
462
00:30:57,083 --> 00:31:00,625
And I didn't want to know
what names we'd be called
463
00:31:00,709 --> 00:31:03,000
when it became known
that the Oslo team
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00:31:03,083 --> 00:31:06,000
had divided up
the Holy Land.
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00:31:06,083 --> 00:31:08,208
♪ ♪
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00:31:08,291 --> 00:31:11,208
Singer:
We managed
to progressively
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00:31:11,291 --> 00:31:14,667
narrow down our differences
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00:31:14,750 --> 00:31:17,500
to five open issues.
469
00:31:18,458 --> 00:31:22,834
And we went back and forth,
and back and forth,
470
00:31:22,917 --> 00:31:25,583
and... early in the morning,
471
00:31:25,667 --> 00:31:27,875
4:00 in the morning,
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00:31:27,959 --> 00:31:29,875
we reached...
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00:31:29,959 --> 00:31:34,500
full agreement on
those five issues.
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00:31:34,583 --> 00:31:36,333
♪ ♪
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00:31:36,417 --> 00:31:37,917
Pundak:
At 5:00 a.m.,
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00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,583
the Norwegians' printer
delivered the final draft
477
00:31:40,667 --> 00:31:43,083
of the Declaration
of Principles for peace
478
00:31:43,166 --> 00:31:45,458
between Israel
and the PLO.
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00:31:46,792 --> 00:31:48,917
It stated
that as a first step,
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00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,709
Israel would withdraw
from Gaza and Jericho
481
00:31:51,792 --> 00:31:56,166
and grant the Palestinians
authority for
self-governance.
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00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:57,542
In the second stage,
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00:31:57,625 --> 00:31:59,750
which would take place
within a year,
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00:31:59,834 --> 00:32:01,208
the Palestinians' authority
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00:32:01,291 --> 00:32:04,250
would expand to most
of the West Bank.
486
00:32:04,333 --> 00:32:06,083
And within five years,
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00:32:06,166 --> 00:32:08,458
a permanent peace
treaty will be signed,
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00:32:08,542 --> 00:32:11,250
addressing the core
issues of settlements,
489
00:32:11,333 --> 00:32:13,083
Palestinian refugees,
490
00:32:13,166 --> 00:32:16,000
definitive borders,
and Jerusalem.
491
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,125
♪ ♪
492
00:32:33,375 --> 00:32:36,375
♪ ♪
493
00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:21,458
Good evening.
Israel and the PLO
494
00:35:21,542 --> 00:35:23,875
are not far from
a historic embrace tonight.
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00:35:23,959 --> 00:35:26,750
Singer:
I remember
there was a TV set
496
00:35:26,834 --> 00:35:29,500
with multiple stations,
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00:35:29,583 --> 00:35:32,333
Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish,
498
00:35:32,417 --> 00:35:34,291
and everyone was talking in
499
00:35:34,375 --> 00:35:37,750
incomprehensible words,
you know, foreign languages--
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00:35:37,834 --> 00:35:40,250
"Oslo, PLO..."
501
00:35:40,333 --> 00:35:41,500
"Oslo, PLO."
502
00:35:48,709 --> 00:35:50,959
And it was all over the world,
503
00:35:51,041 --> 00:35:54,667
and that was stunning,
to suddenly realize that,
504
00:35:54,750 --> 00:35:57,792
wow, we caused this.
505
00:35:57,875 --> 00:36:01,792
It-- you know...
It's us that they
are talking about.
506
00:36:01,875 --> 00:36:05,250
Twenty-nine years
after declaring Israel
an illegal state,
507
00:36:05,333 --> 00:36:07,583
the Palestine Liberation
Organization has decided
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00:36:07,667 --> 00:36:10,667
to recognize Israel's
right to exist peacefully.
509
00:36:10,750 --> 00:36:12,125
And after decades of calling
510
00:36:12,208 --> 00:36:14,333
the PLO
a terrorist organization,
511
00:36:14,417 --> 00:36:16,959
Israel finally
recognizes the PLO
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00:36:17,041 --> 00:36:18,667
as the legitimate representative
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00:36:18,750 --> 00:36:20,500
of the Palestinian people.
514
00:36:20,583 --> 00:36:22,667
Given the history
of the Palestinians
and the Israelis,
515
00:36:22,750 --> 00:36:25,375
which has involved so much
of the rest of the world,
516
00:36:25,458 --> 00:36:27,542
it is, in a word, staggering.
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00:36:27,625 --> 00:36:29,834
♪ ♪
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00:36:29,917 --> 00:36:31,667
Newsman:
The last-minute
negotiations
519
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:34,834
went on for a day
and a half, nonstop.
520
00:36:34,917 --> 00:36:37,667
But when the haggard
Norwegian mediator
arrived in Tunis,
521
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:39,125
he said he had the historic
522
00:36:39,208 --> 00:36:41,667
documents of recognition
in his bag.
523
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:44,000
The success
wasn't his doing,
he said modestly,
524
00:36:44,083 --> 00:36:46,166
but belonged to Israeli
Prime Minister Rabin
525
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:48,333
and PLO Chairman Arafat.
526
00:36:48,417 --> 00:36:51,166
In the one-page letter
from Arafat to Rabin,
527
00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:53,750
"the PLO recognizes the right
of the State of Israel
528
00:36:53,834 --> 00:36:56,000
to exist in peace
and security."
529
00:36:56,083 --> 00:36:57,542
In his return letter
to Arafat,
530
00:36:57,625 --> 00:37:00,000
Rabin says that in view
of those commitments,
531
00:37:00,083 --> 00:37:02,500
the government of Israel
has decided to recognize
532
00:37:02,583 --> 00:37:06,208
"the PLO as the representative
of the Palestinian people."
533
00:37:06,291 --> 00:37:08,417
♪ ♪
534
00:37:31,083 --> 00:37:32,542
Mm-hmm.
535
00:37:41,166 --> 00:37:43,250
I want to tell you
536
00:37:43,333 --> 00:37:45,291
that this is a day
537
00:37:45,375 --> 00:37:47,917
I never expected to see.
538
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,917
That our government
would recognize
539
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,500
a terrorist, murderous
organization.
540
00:37:55,834 --> 00:37:57,041
Newsman:
In the Middle East today,
541
00:37:57,125 --> 00:37:59,250
Israeli Prime Minister
Yitzhak Rabin
542
00:37:59,333 --> 00:38:00,625
will fly to Washington
543
00:38:00,709 --> 00:38:02,959
for the signing ceremony
of the Oslo Agreement
544
00:38:03,041 --> 00:38:05,417
between Israel
and the Palestinians.
545
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:08,375
Yasser Arafat will arrive
from Tunis for the signing,
546
00:38:08,458 --> 00:38:10,750
which will be his
first visit to America
547
00:38:10,834 --> 00:38:13,417
since the PLO were denied
entrance to the US.
548
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:15,625
Right-wing opponents
are calling
549
00:38:15,709 --> 00:38:17,625
the signing of
the treaty treason,
550
00:38:17,709 --> 00:38:20,166
while Arab opposition
is calling Arafat
551
00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:22,500
a traitor to
the Palestinian cause,
552
00:38:22,583 --> 00:38:24,959
and threats have been
made on his life.
553
00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:26,709
♪ ♪
554
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,792
Daniel Kurtzer:
From the perspective
of an American diplomat,
555
00:38:32,875 --> 00:38:35,458
these were the best days
of, of my life
556
00:38:35,542 --> 00:38:38,625
because there was something
actually being consummated.
557
00:38:38,709 --> 00:38:41,417
An agreement was actually
about to be signed,
558
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:45,250
so sure, there were
last-minute difficulties.
559
00:38:45,333 --> 00:38:47,667
Would Arafat come
with his uniform on?
560
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:50,333
Would he have a gun
in his holster?
561
00:38:50,417 --> 00:38:53,500
How do you avoid kissing
Arafat when he shakes
your hand?
562
00:38:53,583 --> 00:38:56,000
I mean, the lesson that we gave
to Warren Christopher,
563
00:38:56,083 --> 00:39:00,500
which is you take
the person by the hand,
564
00:39:00,583 --> 00:39:03,834
and with your other hand,
you hold his elbow.
565
00:39:03,917 --> 00:39:07,834
And, in effect,
that becomes your distance,
566
00:39:07,917 --> 00:39:09,875
where if he starts
to come forward at you,
567
00:39:09,959 --> 00:39:12,458
you just, you don't
have to push him away.
568
00:39:12,542 --> 00:39:14,667
He's just away already.
569
00:39:17,917 --> 00:39:19,834
Nabil Shaath:
Well, in my last
meeting with Clinton,
570
00:39:19,917 --> 00:39:22,500
just before
the celebration started,
571
00:39:22,583 --> 00:39:26,667
he took me aside and said
he wanted two concessions.
572
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:30,333
I said, Mr. Clinton,
we gave enough
concessions.
573
00:39:30,417 --> 00:39:32,166
He said, "No, no, no,
these are personal."
574
00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:33,500
He said, "Concession one,
575
00:39:33,583 --> 00:39:35,875
"could you prevail
on Mr. Arafat
576
00:39:35,959 --> 00:39:38,709
"to come dressed
in a French suit
577
00:39:38,792 --> 00:39:41,375
and abandon his
military garb?"
578
00:39:41,458 --> 00:39:42,709
I said,
579
00:39:42,792 --> 00:39:46,000
this was part of the way
his people view him.
580
00:39:46,083 --> 00:39:48,583
So I said, I'm sorry, I can't
give you that concession.
581
00:39:48,667 --> 00:39:51,583
What's the second one?
So he said,
582
00:39:51,667 --> 00:39:53,250
"No hugging, no kissing."
583
00:39:55,959 --> 00:39:57,208
And I said,
584
00:39:57,291 --> 00:40:00,166
this a very tough concession,
585
00:40:00,250 --> 00:40:01,709
but for peace,
586
00:40:01,792 --> 00:40:03,709
I'll do it.
587
00:40:03,792 --> 00:40:07,125
♪ ♪
588
00:40:29,166 --> 00:40:32,250
Newsman: They brought
the morning shows
to the White House today.
589
00:40:32,333 --> 00:40:35,583
Tucked away at the bottom
of the South Lawn
were Charlie,
590
00:40:35,667 --> 00:40:37,083
and Paula,
591
00:40:37,166 --> 00:40:38,917
and Bryant, and Kate.
592
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,291
Sure signs that history
was about to be made.
593
00:40:42,375 --> 00:40:45,750
The people are rejoicing,
celebrating the occasion,
594
00:40:45,834 --> 00:40:48,250
and that they are
waving olive branches,
595
00:40:48,333 --> 00:40:50,291
and they are singing,
and...
596
00:40:50,375 --> 00:40:52,583
they send us a message
of solidarity.
597
00:40:52,667 --> 00:40:55,000
Interviewer:
Do you realize what's
going on today here?
598
00:40:55,834 --> 00:40:58,250
-What is going on here?
-Do you understand
the situation?
599
00:40:58,333 --> 00:41:00,458
The Palestinian state
is emerging.
600
00:41:00,542 --> 00:41:02,917
♪ ♪
601
00:41:07,875 --> 00:41:10,750
Presentator:
Ladies and gentlemen,
Mr. Arafat,
602
00:41:10,834 --> 00:41:12,583
chairman of
the executive council
603
00:41:12,667 --> 00:41:15,125
of the Palestine
Liberation Organization,
604
00:41:15,208 --> 00:41:17,625
His Excellency Yitzhak Rabin,
605
00:41:17,709 --> 00:41:19,291
prime minister of Israel,
606
00:41:19,375 --> 00:41:21,333
the President of
the United States.
607
00:41:23,542 --> 00:41:26,458
Peres:
Yitzhak didn't want
to come to Washington.
608
00:41:26,542 --> 00:41:30,291
He says, "I... don't
want to see Arafat."
609
00:41:30,375 --> 00:41:31,834
The one
that convinced him
610
00:41:31,917 --> 00:41:35,291
to stand up with Arafat
was Clinton.
611
00:41:35,375 --> 00:41:38,750
And as you saw in the picture,
Clinton holds the two of them,
612
00:41:38,834 --> 00:41:41,000
almost by force.
613
00:41:46,125 --> 00:41:50,667
Finally, Yitzhak shook
the hands of Arafat.
614
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:52,625
He turned to me
and he says,
615
00:41:52,709 --> 00:41:57,208
"Now, it's you, your time..."
" to shake his hands."
616
00:41:57,291 --> 00:41:58,792
He went through the hell,
617
00:41:58,875 --> 00:42:00,709
now I have to go
through the hell.
618
00:42:00,792 --> 00:42:02,792
It was very difficult for him.
619
00:42:03,959 --> 00:42:06,709
Interviewer:
Why do you think it was
so difficult for him?
620
00:42:06,792 --> 00:42:08,834
Because he was against the PLO.
621
00:42:08,917 --> 00:42:10,291
Because...
622
00:42:10,375 --> 00:42:12,375
his heart wasn't there.
623
00:42:12,458 --> 00:42:14,667
Because he saw in Arafat
624
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:16,250
a terrorist.
625
00:42:17,375 --> 00:42:20,959
But, you know, I cannot
change the past of anybody.
626
00:42:21,041 --> 00:42:22,041
Finally, Yitzhak said it.
627
00:42:22,125 --> 00:42:24,667
You make peace
with your enemies,
628
00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:26,625
not with your friends.
629
00:42:27,250 --> 00:42:31,000
To everything,
there is a season
630
00:42:31,083 --> 00:42:32,500
and a time,
631
00:42:32,583 --> 00:42:36,583
to every purpose
under heaven.
632
00:42:36,667 --> 00:42:39,041
A time to be born,
633
00:42:39,125 --> 00:42:41,333
and a time to die.
634
00:42:41,417 --> 00:42:43,542
A time to kill,
635
00:42:43,625 --> 00:42:45,709
and a time to heal.
636
00:42:45,792 --> 00:42:47,875
A time to weep,
637
00:42:47,959 --> 00:42:50,208
and a time to laugh.
638
00:42:50,291 --> 00:42:52,375
A time to love,
639
00:42:52,458 --> 00:42:54,875
and a time to hate.
640
00:42:54,959 --> 00:42:57,542
A time of war,
641
00:42:57,625 --> 00:43:00,250
and a time of peace.
642
00:43:00,333 --> 00:43:02,250
Ladies and gentlemen,
643
00:43:02,333 --> 00:43:06,250
the time for peace has come.
644
00:43:12,041 --> 00:43:14,542
♪ ♪
645
00:43:39,458 --> 00:43:41,250
Interviewer:
Do you feel proud?
646
00:43:41,333 --> 00:43:44,041
I feel proud, but I'm afraid.
647
00:43:44,125 --> 00:43:45,083
Of what?
648
00:43:45,166 --> 00:43:47,333
Of the failure.
649
00:43:48,250 --> 00:43:50,500
-Why?
-Therefore...
650
00:43:50,583 --> 00:43:53,166
Because we are still in
the beginning, in the start.
651
00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:54,625
But you are
so optimistic.
652
00:43:54,709 --> 00:43:57,166
I should be.
I should be, but...
653
00:43:57,250 --> 00:43:59,083
at the same time,
also in my side,
654
00:43:59,166 --> 00:44:01,583
I... feel afraid.
655
00:44:01,667 --> 00:44:05,500
Because both of us should
work very, very, very hard,
656
00:44:05,583 --> 00:44:09,333
and we should trust each other
more, and more, and more.
657
00:44:09,417 --> 00:44:12,500
Without a trust,
we cannot continue.
658
00:44:17,709 --> 00:44:19,083
Savir:
After the ceremony,
659
00:44:19,166 --> 00:44:21,792
when the crowd
started to disperse,
660
00:44:21,875 --> 00:44:25,625
I spotted Abu Ala
with a group of
Palestinian officials.
661
00:44:25,709 --> 00:44:27,458
I walked towards him,
662
00:44:27,542 --> 00:44:30,000
and he shot me
an embarrassed look.
663
00:44:33,291 --> 00:44:36,709
We were no longer protected
by the intimacy of Oslo,
664
00:44:36,792 --> 00:44:38,500
but trapped in plain sight
665
00:44:38,583 --> 00:44:41,500
and suddenly
feeling alienated.
666
00:44:41,583 --> 00:44:44,458
At that moment, we turned
from secret partners
667
00:44:44,542 --> 00:44:46,917
to members
of opposing teams.
668
00:44:48,208 --> 00:44:51,333
Newsman:
When you shook hands
with Mr. Rabin,
669
00:44:51,417 --> 00:44:54,166
it looked like it was
your idea, not his.
670
00:44:54,250 --> 00:44:58,000
He... he hesitated
a little bit,
671
00:44:58,083 --> 00:45:01,333
but I insisted,
672
00:45:01,417 --> 00:45:05,041
and I continued stretching
my hand to him.
673
00:45:05,125 --> 00:45:06,875
Now, looking at
the longer term,
674
00:45:06,959 --> 00:45:09,834
do you recognize that
if Mr. Rabin has his way,
675
00:45:09,917 --> 00:45:11,667
Jerusalem, as he puts it,
676
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:14,917
will never be the capital
of a Palestinian state.
677
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,166
Do you recognize that?
Do you accept that?
678
00:45:18,250 --> 00:45:21,250
He said Jerusalem,
not unified Jerusalem.
679
00:45:24,125 --> 00:45:25,583
Yes?
680
00:45:25,667 --> 00:45:27,709
-He said Jerusalem.
-Yes.
681
00:45:27,792 --> 00:45:29,875
He's a politician. He know...
682
00:45:29,959 --> 00:45:32,166
He knows exactly
what he is saying.
683
00:45:33,917 --> 00:45:36,250
The Israelis will never
pull back from Jerusalem.
684
00:45:37,125 --> 00:45:38,542
They never will,
will they?
685
00:45:38,625 --> 00:45:39,917
Do you believe
they ever will?
686
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,291
Yeah, I think if there is
a will, there is a way.
687
00:45:45,250 --> 00:45:47,542
But there isn't
a will on their side!
688
00:45:47,625 --> 00:45:48,959
Who knows?
689
00:45:49,959 --> 00:45:51,291
Who knows?
690
00:45:52,333 --> 00:45:54,208
Some weeks ago,
691
00:45:54,291 --> 00:45:57,625
nobody was imagining that
we'll find that solution,
692
00:45:57,709 --> 00:45:59,333
and this agreement.
693
00:46:00,333 --> 00:46:01,625
Not to forget
694
00:46:01,709 --> 00:46:04,917
that Berlin Wall had fallen.
695
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,125
♪ ♪
696
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:13,875
Newsman:
This is IBA Radio
from Jerusalem,
697
00:46:13,959 --> 00:46:15,583
and here are the news.
698
00:46:15,667 --> 00:46:19,083
One month after the historic
signing in Washington,
699
00:46:19,166 --> 00:46:21,709
Israel and the Palestinians
gather once again
700
00:46:21,792 --> 00:46:24,917
for a round of negotiations.
This time to implement
701
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,417
the first stage of
the Oslo Accord--
702
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:30,166
Israel's withdrawal
from Gaza and Jericho.
703
00:46:31,291 --> 00:46:33,041
The negotiations
will be lead by
704
00:46:33,125 --> 00:46:36,500
Israeli deputy chief
of staff, Amnon Shahak,
705
00:46:36,583 --> 00:46:39,625
and on the Palestinian side,
Nabil Shaath,
706
00:46:39,709 --> 00:46:41,792
Arafat's chief advisor.
707
00:46:43,417 --> 00:46:45,917
Newswoman:
How significant is this?
How important?
708
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,083
This is the implementation
of the agreement.
709
00:46:48,166 --> 00:46:50,333
This is the most important
part of our agreement.
710
00:46:50,417 --> 00:46:51,625
Newswoman 2:
But how important is it
711
00:46:51,709 --> 00:46:54,125
to the succession of
the whole process?
712
00:46:54,208 --> 00:46:55,959
If we succeed,
713
00:46:56,041 --> 00:46:58,208
the whole thing will succeed.
And we will succeed.
714
00:47:00,583 --> 00:47:03,583
Shaath:
My first meeting with
General Amnon Shahak
715
00:47:03,667 --> 00:47:05,583
was quite pleasant, in fact.
716
00:47:05,667 --> 00:47:08,625
The man, very modestly,
came to me and said,
717
00:47:08,709 --> 00:47:12,083
"Dr. Shaath,
here is my speech.
718
00:47:12,166 --> 00:47:14,750
"And you know, I have never
given speeches before,
719
00:47:14,834 --> 00:47:17,125
"I am a straight
military man.
720
00:47:17,208 --> 00:47:20,166
So, why don't you look
into that speech?"
721
00:47:20,250 --> 00:47:23,000
And I felt that this
was really, very modest
722
00:47:23,083 --> 00:47:26,333
and very positive
starting point.
723
00:47:26,417 --> 00:47:29,000
But between
that first meeting
724
00:47:29,083 --> 00:47:31,375
and the second meeting,
which came out
725
00:47:31,458 --> 00:47:34,375
after the weekend and so on,
four, five days later,
726
00:47:34,458 --> 00:47:36,792
I went through
727
00:47:36,875 --> 00:47:39,000
Google and other sources
728
00:47:39,083 --> 00:47:42,166
to find out about
General Amnon Lipkin-Shahak.
729
00:47:47,709 --> 00:47:51,125
Shaath:
And I found he was part
of the raiding party
730
00:47:51,208 --> 00:47:55,542
that killed three of my
dearest friends in Beirut.
731
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,542
And I thought about it,
and I said,
732
00:47:59,625 --> 00:48:01,583
I'm sorry, I cannot...
733
00:48:01,667 --> 00:48:04,834
get myself to negotiate
with you. I mean...
734
00:48:04,917 --> 00:48:07,542
it's very difficult. These were
very close friends of mine.
735
00:48:07,625 --> 00:48:09,333
They're brothers, and...
736
00:48:09,417 --> 00:48:10,583
I don't know,
737
00:48:10,667 --> 00:48:12,750
I don't feel like it's fair
738
00:48:12,834 --> 00:48:14,750
to negotiate with you.
739
00:48:14,834 --> 00:48:17,333
So, Amnon Shahak said,
740
00:48:17,417 --> 00:48:19,500
"But, Nabil...
741
00:48:19,583 --> 00:48:23,041
we are here so that
we'll never repeat that."
742
00:48:23,125 --> 00:48:25,041
♪ ♪
743
00:48:31,625 --> 00:48:33,083
Ala:
On February 19th,
744
00:48:33,166 --> 00:48:35,417
Nabil Shaath
and General Shahak
745
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:37,375
presented us
with the first draft
746
00:48:37,458 --> 00:48:39,417
of the Gaza-Jericho
agreement.
747
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:44,208
The draft was
clearly pro-Israeli,
748
00:48:44,291 --> 00:48:45,583
but promised us rewards
749
00:48:45,667 --> 00:48:48,542
we didn't dream of
just a year ago.
750
00:48:48,625 --> 00:48:50,375
Such as passports,
751
00:48:50,458 --> 00:48:52,750
an international airport
in Jericho,
752
00:48:52,834 --> 00:48:54,625
and for the first
time in history,
753
00:48:54,709 --> 00:48:57,542
democratic
Palestinian elections.
754
00:48:57,625 --> 00:48:59,750
We were on the right path,
755
00:48:59,834 --> 00:49:01,750
but our utopian bubble
756
00:49:01,834 --> 00:49:03,375
was destined to
shatter violently.
757
00:49:17,041 --> 00:49:19,166
♪ ♪
758
00:49:20,458 --> 00:49:22,792
Savir:
At 5:00 a.m. on Friday,
759
00:49:22,875 --> 00:49:24,333
February 25th,
760
00:49:24,417 --> 00:49:27,166
Dr. Baruch Goldstein,
a religious settler,
761
00:49:27,250 --> 00:49:29,625
dressed
in his army uniform,
762
00:49:29,709 --> 00:49:31,792
grabbed an Uzi
submachine gun
763
00:49:31,875 --> 00:49:34,625
and opened fire on
the people in prayer
764
00:49:34,709 --> 00:49:36,625
at the Cave
of the Patriarchs.
765
00:49:41,041 --> 00:49:44,625
Thirty-one people
were murdered
during the massacre,
766
00:49:44,709 --> 00:49:47,291
that ended only
when Goldstein
himself was killed.
767
00:49:53,917 --> 00:49:55,667
The news spread quickly,
768
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:57,500
and violent riots
broke out
769
00:49:57,583 --> 00:50:00,542
across the entire
occupied territories.
770
00:50:01,375 --> 00:50:04,500
Israeli soldiers opened
fire on the protesters,
771
00:50:04,583 --> 00:50:06,333
killing nine Palestinians,
772
00:50:06,417 --> 00:50:08,500
and injuring hundreds more.
773
00:50:08,583 --> 00:50:10,667
♪ ♪
774
00:50:17,250 --> 00:50:18,875
Goldstein
quickly established
775
00:50:18,959 --> 00:50:21,500
a fan base
among the settlers,
776
00:50:21,583 --> 00:50:24,041
hundreds attended
his funeral,
777
00:50:24,125 --> 00:50:28,250
and many of them praised him
as a hero and a saint.
778
00:50:29,583 --> 00:50:33,250
We urged Rabin to clear out
the Hebron settlers.
779
00:50:34,125 --> 00:50:35,834
It would be a brave move
780
00:50:35,917 --> 00:50:38,458
that could restore
the Palestinians' trust
781
00:50:38,542 --> 00:50:40,500
in the peace process.
782
00:50:40,583 --> 00:50:42,625
But the army generals
claimed
783
00:50:42,709 --> 00:50:45,041
that vacating
the settlers from Hebron
784
00:50:45,125 --> 00:50:47,333
could cause a civil war.
785
00:50:48,250 --> 00:50:50,583
Rarely have I seen
Peres so determined
786
00:50:50,667 --> 00:50:53,792
to reach a decision
that opposes the military.
787
00:52:54,583 --> 00:52:57,375
Beilin:
We were sure that as
a result of the debate,
788
00:52:57,458 --> 00:53:01,000
the Jewish Israeli
residents of Hebron
789
00:53:01,083 --> 00:53:03,583
will be taken away
from this place.
790
00:53:06,750 --> 00:53:10,000
And I waited at home--
I mean, it was Friday.
791
00:53:10,083 --> 00:53:12,000
I waited at home
792
00:53:12,083 --> 00:53:15,000
for another hour, another hour
to hear the news,
793
00:53:15,083 --> 00:53:17,458
and in the news,
there was nothing.
794
00:53:19,083 --> 00:53:20,625
And I thought,
795
00:53:20,709 --> 00:53:22,875
what could happen? I mean,
maybe it was a secret.
796
00:53:22,959 --> 00:53:25,667
Maybe it happened and nobody...
797
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:27,583
informed about.
798
00:53:28,458 --> 00:53:30,250
Maybe censorship.
799
00:53:31,417 --> 00:53:33,709
But of course, eventually,
800
00:53:33,792 --> 00:53:36,208
the decision was
not to do that.
801
00:53:36,291 --> 00:53:37,709
It was really...
802
00:53:37,792 --> 00:53:40,041
inconceivable.
803
00:53:40,125 --> 00:53:42,500
It was inconceivable.
804
00:53:44,625 --> 00:53:47,000
♪ ♪
805
00:53:48,291 --> 00:53:50,000
Ashrawi:
The Palestinians demanded
806
00:53:50,083 --> 00:53:52,125
the settlements
be cleared out.
807
00:53:52,959 --> 00:53:56,375
But Israel refused,
and instead
808
00:53:56,458 --> 00:53:59,625
put the Arab residents
of Hebron under lockdown.
809
00:54:01,333 --> 00:54:04,625
Once again, the victims
were being punished.
810
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,375
Saeb Erekat:
When Oslo was signed,
811
00:54:08,458 --> 00:54:11,375
82 percent of Palestinians
supported us,
812
00:54:11,458 --> 00:54:13,250
supported Oslo,
813
00:54:13,333 --> 00:54:15,041
and they saw hope.
814
00:54:15,125 --> 00:54:16,291
And they gave every chance
815
00:54:16,375 --> 00:54:17,709
to get hope.
816
00:54:17,792 --> 00:54:19,041
And then,
817
00:54:19,125 --> 00:54:20,583
with their eyes,
818
00:54:20,667 --> 00:54:23,583
they continued to see
business as usual.
819
00:54:23,667 --> 00:54:25,083
Settlement activities,
820
00:54:25,166 --> 00:54:27,458
incursions, demolition
of homes, and so on,
821
00:54:27,542 --> 00:54:29,583
and so on, and so on.
Business as usual.
822
00:54:29,667 --> 00:54:31,917
This is the land
that's supposed to be
a Palestinian state.
823
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,750
Why are they
building settlements?
824
00:54:37,041 --> 00:54:40,041
♪ ♪
825
00:54:40,125 --> 00:54:42,875
Ashrawi:
Our worst nightmare
had come true.
826
00:54:42,959 --> 00:54:45,083
Arafat was torn
between his people
827
00:54:45,166 --> 00:54:47,959
and the need to appease
the Americans
and the Israelis.
828
00:54:49,458 --> 00:54:51,625
He is slowly losing
his credibility
829
00:54:51,709 --> 00:54:53,667
in the eyes of
the Palestinians.
830
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:56,125
He is losing control.
831
00:54:58,834 --> 00:55:01,000
Mahmoud al-Zahar:
The people now are
totally convinced
832
00:55:01,083 --> 00:55:03,458
with the attitude of Hamas
833
00:55:03,542 --> 00:55:05,458
after the massacres.
834
00:55:05,542 --> 00:55:08,667
So, what do you think will
happen to Fatah, for example?
835
00:55:08,750 --> 00:55:10,625
They are going to lose
836
00:55:10,709 --> 00:55:13,291
much of the support
of the people
837
00:55:13,375 --> 00:55:15,291
who believed in
Fatah at the time.
838
00:55:15,375 --> 00:55:16,667
You know that people in Israel
839
00:55:16,750 --> 00:55:20,417
are really terrified
of revenge now?
840
00:55:24,083 --> 00:55:26,125
Yes, everybody is angry,
actually,
841
00:55:26,208 --> 00:55:28,458
and it is expected for revenge.
842
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:53,667
Beilin:
The Palestinian attacks
843
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:56,458
began 40 days
844
00:55:56,542 --> 00:55:58,667
after the massacre in Hebron.
845
00:55:58,750 --> 00:56:01,667
Exactly the 40 days
of mourning.
846
00:56:01,750 --> 00:56:05,041
It was Afula and Hedera,
847
00:56:05,125 --> 00:56:07,458
and you see blood
848
00:56:07,542 --> 00:56:09,375
on the streets,
and people are saying,
849
00:56:09,458 --> 00:56:12,125
"This is the peace
you promised us."
850
00:56:12,208 --> 00:56:13,834
And you could not say,
851
00:56:13,917 --> 00:56:16,875
don't forget!
It was only a DOP!
852
00:56:16,959 --> 00:56:19,834
What is DOP?
What it, what?
853
00:56:19,917 --> 00:56:21,583
Wasn't there a ceremony
854
00:56:21,667 --> 00:56:25,333
with Arafat,
and Rabin, and Clinton?
855
00:56:25,417 --> 00:56:27,583
Wasn't it peace?
856
00:56:27,667 --> 00:56:29,792
♪ ♪
857
00:56:33,792 --> 00:56:35,250
Ala:
On March '94,
858
00:56:35,333 --> 00:56:38,000
we headed back to
the negotiating table.
859
00:56:38,917 --> 00:56:41,208
Since the wave of
suicide bombings,
860
00:56:41,291 --> 00:56:46,000
Israel has put
two and a half million
Palestinians under closure.
861
00:56:47,125 --> 00:56:50,333
Poverty was
rising throughout
the occupied territories,
862
00:56:50,417 --> 00:56:53,375
and living conditions
declining.
863
00:56:53,458 --> 00:56:55,542
Our people
were losing faith
864
00:56:55,625 --> 00:56:57,667
in the peace process,
865
00:56:57,750 --> 00:57:00,750
but I knew
we must not give up.
866
00:57:28,542 --> 00:57:30,917
Savir:
Despite the blood
and the violence,
867
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,041
the process had
a force of its own.
868
00:57:34,125 --> 00:57:35,542
And on May '94,
869
00:57:35,625 --> 00:57:38,291
we set out to sign
the Gaza-Jericho agreement,
870
00:57:38,375 --> 00:57:42,375
granting the Palestinians
self-rule in Gaza.
871
00:57:44,375 --> 00:57:45,917
♪ ♪
872
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,458
Newsman:
After eight months of talks,
873
00:57:47,542 --> 00:57:49,583
the stage was finally set.
874
00:57:49,667 --> 00:57:51,000
Egypt President Mubarak
875
00:57:51,083 --> 00:57:52,959
provided a suitably
dramatic setting
876
00:57:53,041 --> 00:57:55,458
for the ceremony in Cairo.
877
00:57:55,542 --> 00:57:57,834
♪ ♪
878
00:57:57,917 --> 00:57:59,333
Ashrawi:
The morning
of the signing of
879
00:57:59,417 --> 00:58:01,458
the Gaza-Jericho agreement,
880
00:58:01,542 --> 00:58:04,792
Faisal and I were being
interviewed in Jerusalem,
881
00:58:04,875 --> 00:58:07,709
while watching a live
broadcast of the ceremony.
882
00:58:08,583 --> 00:58:10,291
On my way to the interview,
883
00:58:10,375 --> 00:58:14,625
I was held up by the Israeli
soldiers at the checkpoints.
884
00:58:14,709 --> 00:58:17,750
Someone said to me,
"This is your idea of peace?
885
00:58:17,834 --> 00:58:20,625
"Tell the old man not to sign.
Tell him to come wait
886
00:58:20,709 --> 00:58:22,625
"at the checkpoint
and sign it here,
887
00:58:22,709 --> 00:58:24,625
along with the rest of us."
888
00:58:25,625 --> 00:58:27,583
I stared at
the screen in wonder.
889
00:58:28,417 --> 00:58:29,875
Is this a celebration of
890
00:58:29,959 --> 00:58:32,458
the birth
of the peace process,
891
00:58:32,542 --> 00:58:34,125
or its burial?
892
00:58:36,250 --> 00:58:37,875
Newsman:
Both sides appear to have
893
00:58:37,959 --> 00:58:40,834
sorted out differences over
the Gaza Strip and Jericho,
894
00:58:40,917 --> 00:58:43,500
but within minutes,
it was clear that the deal,
895
00:58:43,583 --> 00:58:45,166
like the stage positions,
896
00:58:45,250 --> 00:58:46,875
was not going to plan.
897
00:58:46,959 --> 00:58:48,667
Announcer:
Ladies and gentlemen,
898
00:58:48,750 --> 00:58:52,834
the signing of the Gaza-Jericho
self-rule agreement.
899
00:58:52,917 --> 00:58:57,500
Singer:
I'm sitting there, and I see
Arafat signing the document,
900
00:58:57,583 --> 00:59:00,959
signing the document,
signing the document.
901
00:59:01,041 --> 00:59:02,667
All the documents,
902
00:59:02,750 --> 00:59:06,041
and then the guy
that assisted him
903
00:59:06,125 --> 00:59:09,875
brought the maps.
He looked at them, opened,
904
00:59:09,959 --> 00:59:12,041
didn't sign, closed it,
905
00:59:12,125 --> 00:59:14,709
and went back to stand,
906
00:59:14,792 --> 00:59:17,291
and Rabin was walking
to do the same.
907
00:59:18,959 --> 00:59:21,166
So, I walk up the stairs,
908
00:59:22,166 --> 00:59:24,667
and I stand next to Rabin,
909
00:59:24,750 --> 00:59:27,166
and as he begins to sign,
910
00:59:27,250 --> 00:59:32,709
I open it, and then
I whisper in his ear,
911
00:59:32,792 --> 00:59:34,083
without show--
912
00:59:34,166 --> 00:59:38,083
trying not to show
any excitement
913
00:59:38,166 --> 00:59:42,417
because everything was recorded
914
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:44,709
and filmed.
And I told him,
915
00:59:44,792 --> 00:59:49,125
Arafat did not sign the maps.
916
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,917
So he says,
"So, what does it mean?"
917
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,583
I responded, it means that
there is no agreement.
918
00:59:56,667 --> 00:59:59,542
Newsman:
Israel's prime minister,
Yitzhak Rabin,
919
00:59:59,625 --> 01:00:02,083
examines the documents,
920
01:00:02,166 --> 01:00:05,250
called over
Foreign Minister
Shimon Peres,
921
01:00:05,333 --> 01:00:07,542
and also refused to sign.
922
01:00:07,625 --> 01:00:09,625
♪ ♪
923
01:00:11,542 --> 01:00:12,959
For a while,
it seemed as if
924
01:00:13,041 --> 01:00:16,625
the entire ceremony
was about to collapse.
925
01:00:16,709 --> 01:00:18,792
♪ ♪
926
01:00:18,875 --> 01:00:22,750
Dennis Ross:
Because we had not been
a part of that channel,
927
01:00:22,834 --> 01:00:25,083
we didn't fully appreciate
928
01:00:25,166 --> 01:00:27,542
what the gaps were
between the two sides.
929
01:00:27,625 --> 01:00:29,792
Israel saw this as
a devolution of power
930
01:00:29,875 --> 01:00:32,166
as the Palestinians
prove themselves.
931
01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:33,625
Palestinians saw this as,
932
01:00:33,709 --> 01:00:36,458
we have to show
this is a new day,
933
01:00:36,542 --> 01:00:38,125
and as a new day,
934
01:00:38,208 --> 01:00:41,083
we have to have all
the trappings of statehood
935
01:00:41,166 --> 01:00:43,166
even if we don't
have it formally yet.
936
01:00:43,250 --> 01:00:45,125
So, immediately,
they wanted, you know,
937
01:00:45,208 --> 01:00:47,291
they didn't want controls
over crossing points.
938
01:00:47,375 --> 01:00:50,458
They wanted, they wanted
immediately to say,
939
01:00:50,542 --> 01:00:52,667
you know, the Israelis
are out of our lives.
940
01:00:52,750 --> 01:00:54,834
♪ ♪
941
01:00:54,917 --> 01:00:56,625
Peres:
What happened with Arafat
942
01:00:56,709 --> 01:00:58,291
that in all negotiations,
943
01:00:58,375 --> 01:01:00,667
He says, "La, la, la."
944
01:01:00,750 --> 01:01:02,500
He says, "No, no, no."
945
01:01:02,583 --> 01:01:06,583
What I did, I was at very
good terms with Mubarak.
946
01:01:06,667 --> 01:01:10,083
They wanted peace seriously.
947
01:01:10,166 --> 01:01:14,166
So I would go to them and says,
again, he said no.
948
01:01:14,250 --> 01:01:15,792
They would call him up
949
01:01:15,875 --> 01:01:17,959
and said, stop it.
950
01:01:18,041 --> 01:01:20,667
Mubarak said it publicly
while he was on the stage,
951
01:01:20,750 --> 01:01:23,625
he called him ibn kalb ,
952
01:01:23,709 --> 01:01:25,333
the son of a bitch.
953
01:01:27,250 --> 01:01:29,834
Newsman:
After a brief interval,
the PLO leader was assured
954
01:01:29,917 --> 01:01:31,667
that the size of
the Jericho region
955
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:34,000
was still under negotiation.
956
01:01:34,083 --> 01:01:36,750
He signed the document
and added a few comments.
957
01:01:37,625 --> 01:01:40,959
Finally, with the briefest
of handshakes,
a deal was done,
958
01:01:41,041 --> 01:01:42,667
at the very last minute.
959
01:01:45,792 --> 01:01:47,875
♪ ♪
960
01:01:57,625 --> 01:02:00,709
Ashrawi:
On July 1st, 1994,
961
01:02:00,792 --> 01:02:03,625
Yasser Arafat
returned to his home,
962
01:02:04,458 --> 01:02:08,125
and reclaimed his position
as the Palestinian leader.
963
01:02:10,083 --> 01:02:12,417
It was an ambivalent return.
964
01:02:13,792 --> 01:02:16,834
He came back and had
to govern Palestine,
965
01:02:16,917 --> 01:02:19,750
which was divided
and driven apart.
966
01:02:21,125 --> 01:02:24,792
Or perhaps Israel
brought him back
in order to control him.
967
01:02:26,083 --> 01:02:28,250
What was the price
we had to pay
968
01:02:28,333 --> 01:02:30,709
for his return home?
969
01:02:30,792 --> 01:02:33,709
Was this one of
Oslo's minefields?
970
01:02:33,792 --> 01:02:36,583
Or was it the first
step toward peace
971
01:02:36,667 --> 01:02:39,250
and the liberation
of Palestine?
972
01:02:39,333 --> 01:02:41,458
♪ ♪
973
01:02:45,542 --> 01:02:48,625
Ala:
As we made our
way to Palestine,
974
01:02:48,709 --> 01:02:50,417
my heart pounded,
975
01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:54,125
and I was choked with
the emotion of the moment.
976
01:02:56,500 --> 01:03:00,542
I wept as I had
never wept before,
977
01:03:00,625 --> 01:03:04,250
kissing and hugging all
my relatives and friends.
978
01:03:06,166 --> 01:03:08,917
The last time I met
my father in Jordan,
979
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,375
I hinted that I might
be coming home soon.
980
01:03:12,458 --> 01:03:14,792
He cried
and raised his hand,
981
01:03:14,875 --> 01:03:19,041
swearing he will prepare
a feast on my return.
982
01:03:21,375 --> 01:03:23,083
My sadness was
983
01:03:23,166 --> 01:03:24,917
that my father
had passed away
984
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,000
just four month earlier,
985
01:03:27,083 --> 01:03:29,166
after waiting to my return
986
01:03:29,250 --> 01:03:32,041
for so many years.
987
01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:35,792
Soon, I called Uri.
988
01:03:35,875 --> 01:03:39,959
I said I am finally back
in my childhood home.
989
01:03:40,041 --> 01:03:42,959
He greeted me with
the Arab words of welcome,
990
01:03:43,041 --> 01:03:44,625
Ahlan wa sahlan,
991
01:03:44,709 --> 01:03:48,542
and told me he was truly
pleased to hear my voice.
992
01:03:49,542 --> 01:03:52,542
We have become
neighbors at last.
993
01:03:59,917 --> 01:04:03,041
Savir:
One week after Abu Ala's
return to Abu Dis,
994
01:04:03,125 --> 01:04:06,000
we met once again in Taba.
995
01:04:06,083 --> 01:04:08,208
This time,
in order to negotiate
996
01:04:08,291 --> 01:04:10,834
the second stage
of the Oslo process--
997
01:04:10,917 --> 01:04:13,750
Israel's withdrawal
from the West Bank.
998
01:04:14,709 --> 01:04:18,041
I spread out the maps
we had kept secret
until then.
999
01:04:18,125 --> 01:04:19,875
♪ ♪
1000
01:04:19,959 --> 01:04:21,834
The Oslo Accord stated
1001
01:04:21,917 --> 01:04:25,792
Israel will withdraw
from most of the West Bank
within a year,
1002
01:04:25,875 --> 01:04:28,125
and the Palestinians
were expecting
1003
01:04:28,208 --> 01:04:31,792
to receive control over
the land immediately.
1004
01:04:32,792 --> 01:04:36,166
But Israel demanded
a gradual withdrawal,
1005
01:04:36,250 --> 01:04:38,125
and offered
the Palestinians
1006
01:04:38,208 --> 01:04:42,417
full control on only
two percent of the land.
1007
01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:44,667
The remaining
98 percent
1008
01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:47,875
will be controlled
by the Israeli Army.
1009
01:04:47,959 --> 01:04:51,500
Arafat stared at
the map silently,
1010
01:04:51,583 --> 01:04:55,208
and then announced
that it was an unbearable
humiliation.
1011
01:04:55,291 --> 01:04:57,542
"These are prison camps,"
he yelled.
1012
01:04:57,625 --> 01:04:59,583
"You want to destroy me."
1013
01:04:59,667 --> 01:05:02,417
With those words,
Arafat left the room.
1014
01:05:04,792 --> 01:05:06,083
Ala:
What you are suggesting
1015
01:05:06,166 --> 01:05:09,542
deviates from the signed
agreement, I shouted.
1016
01:05:09,625 --> 01:05:12,583
You keep 98 percent
of the land?
1017
01:05:12,667 --> 01:05:14,291
We won't accept that.
1018
01:05:15,625 --> 01:05:17,875
You can enforce this
approach on Arafat
1019
01:05:17,959 --> 01:05:20,208
and push him into a corner,
1020
01:05:20,291 --> 01:05:21,583
but remember this,
1021
01:05:21,667 --> 01:05:24,959
a one-sided agreement
will not last.
1022
01:05:26,542 --> 01:05:29,792
Savir:
Abu Ala stood up without
saying another word,
1023
01:05:29,875 --> 01:05:32,208
and summoned his driver.
1024
01:05:32,291 --> 01:05:35,208
We exchanged a polite
and cold handshake,
1025
01:05:35,291 --> 01:05:38,083
and we each went
our separate ways.
1026
01:05:39,792 --> 01:05:41,875
♪ ♪
1027
01:05:45,667 --> 01:05:47,291
As hours went by,
1028
01:05:47,375 --> 01:05:50,625
we waited nervously
in the hotel's lobby.
1029
01:05:50,709 --> 01:05:53,709
Some Israeli reporters
informed us
1030
01:05:53,792 --> 01:05:55,917
that Arafat had
issued a statement
1031
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,417
about the talks collapsing.
1032
01:05:58,500 --> 01:05:59,917
We were all on edge,
1033
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,166
but refused to cave in.
1034
01:06:25,083 --> 01:06:26,417
Savir:
Later that evening,
1035
01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:28,667
Arafat's personal assistant
1036
01:06:28,750 --> 01:06:30,959
came rushing towards me.
1037
01:06:31,041 --> 01:06:34,125
"Arafat asks that you come
to Abu Ala's room
immediately."
1038
01:06:34,208 --> 01:06:36,333
She said, "He's collapsed."
1039
01:06:37,834 --> 01:06:39,792
I rushed to Abu Ala's room,
1040
01:06:39,875 --> 01:06:42,000
and found him lying in bed,
1041
01:06:42,083 --> 01:06:44,917
pale as a ghost, trembling,
1042
01:06:45,041 --> 01:06:47,792
nodding in and out
of consciousness.
1043
01:06:47,875 --> 01:06:50,667
♪ ♪
1044
01:06:50,750 --> 01:06:52,542
Hold on my friend,
1045
01:06:52,625 --> 01:06:54,125
I whispered.
1046
01:06:54,208 --> 01:06:56,250
I need you to stay with me.
1047
01:06:58,083 --> 01:07:00,625
The doctors found
Abu Ala's collapse
1048
01:07:00,709 --> 01:07:03,041
to be a result of
extreme fatigue
1049
01:07:03,125 --> 01:07:06,000
caused by the many
hours of negotiations.
1050
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:09,500
But I knew the truth.
1051
01:07:09,583 --> 01:07:12,166
The map I presented to him
1052
01:07:12,250 --> 01:07:14,125
had broken his heart.
1053
01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:18,792
There was something very
personal in peace-making.
1054
01:07:18,875 --> 01:07:22,250
It wasn't a political...
1055
01:07:23,125 --> 01:07:25,792
festival. It wasn't
a political ambition.
1056
01:07:25,875 --> 01:07:28,542
It was a very human ambition.
1057
01:07:28,625 --> 01:07:31,333
♪ ♪
1058
01:07:31,417 --> 01:07:33,750
There's a symbolic...
1059
01:07:33,834 --> 01:07:36,166
picture, where people
1060
01:07:36,250 --> 01:07:38,875
went to Israeli tanks
in the streets
1061
01:07:38,959 --> 01:07:41,291
and put olive branches.
1062
01:07:42,417 --> 01:07:45,875
The tanks that destroyed
your lives and your homes,
1063
01:07:45,959 --> 01:07:49,083
the army that killed your
kids and oppressed you.
1064
01:07:49,166 --> 01:07:50,875
People went out
1065
01:07:50,959 --> 01:07:53,375
and gave them flowers
1066
01:07:53,458 --> 01:07:56,375
and gave them
olive branches,
1067
01:07:56,458 --> 01:07:58,834
and felt that this was it.
1068
01:07:58,917 --> 01:08:00,875
This is the end
of the conflict.
1069
01:08:00,959 --> 01:08:03,375
This is the end
of the occupation.
1070
01:08:03,458 --> 01:08:04,959
♪ ♪
1071
01:08:06,458 --> 01:08:09,041
It was a moment of hope...
1072
01:08:11,625 --> 01:08:13,542
a moment of promise.
1073
01:08:15,333 --> 01:08:19,083
But people's hopes were dashed
1074
01:08:19,166 --> 01:08:22,208
and it didn't materialize
into a reality.
1075
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,375
So, yes, of course,
I feel...
1076
01:08:26,458 --> 01:08:28,542
sad and responsible.
1077
01:08:32,959 --> 01:08:35,041
♪ ♪
1078
01:09:39,083 --> 01:09:41,458
♪ ♪
1079
01:09:43,125 --> 01:09:45,792
Beilin:
I had a meeting
with Yair and Ron.
1080
01:09:45,875 --> 01:09:48,500
We all felt that
the time was running out,
1081
01:09:48,583 --> 01:09:51,250
and that we had to act fast.
1082
01:09:52,083 --> 01:09:54,000
We agreed on deliberations
1083
01:09:54,083 --> 01:09:56,875
that would lead to
a permanent agreement,
1084
01:09:56,959 --> 01:09:59,125
utilizing the same framework
1085
01:09:59,208 --> 01:10:00,667
we used in Oslo.
1086
01:10:00,750 --> 01:10:02,875
Quick, discreet talks,
1087
01:10:02,959 --> 01:10:05,041
and no empty slogans.
1088
01:10:06,250 --> 01:10:08,166
Mahmoud Abbas
and I deliberated
1089
01:10:08,250 --> 01:10:11,375
over the drafts for
almost two years,
1090
01:10:11,458 --> 01:10:13,000
behind the scenes,
1091
01:10:13,083 --> 01:10:16,208
without the racket
of the Taba Hotel.
1092
01:10:16,291 --> 01:10:17,875
We touched on the most
1093
01:10:17,959 --> 01:10:21,208
sensitive points
of the process,
1094
01:10:21,291 --> 01:10:23,917
for the very first time.
1095
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,000
At least, theoretically,
1096
01:10:26,083 --> 01:10:28,417
we had a document
in our hands,
1097
01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:30,875
with a comprehensive solution.
1098
01:10:30,959 --> 01:10:34,333
A withdrawal to
the '67 borders,
1099
01:10:34,417 --> 01:10:37,709
the establishment
of a Palestinian state,
of course,
1100
01:10:37,792 --> 01:10:40,875
keeping the settlement
blocks intact,
1101
01:10:40,959 --> 01:10:45,291
and making Jerusalem
the capital of both nations.
1102
01:10:46,458 --> 01:10:50,750
My plan was to set up
a meeting with Rabin.
1103
01:10:50,834 --> 01:10:53,000
I told him that I would
like to meet with him
1104
01:10:53,083 --> 01:10:55,458
about the
permanent solution.
1105
01:10:55,542 --> 01:10:58,125
And he said, "As soon as
possible," so I told him,
1106
01:10:58,208 --> 01:11:00,709
let's do it when I return
from the United States
1107
01:11:00,792 --> 01:11:04,041
on Saturday, November 11th.
1108
01:11:04,125 --> 01:11:08,291
No one could've guessed
under what circumstances
1109
01:11:08,375 --> 01:11:10,959
that meeting
would take place.
1110
01:11:14,291 --> 01:11:16,375
♪ ♪
1111
01:11:19,166 --> 01:11:20,875
Savir:
On September 5th,
1112
01:11:20,959 --> 01:11:23,083
we reassembled in Taba.
1113
01:11:23,166 --> 01:11:24,542
I must admit,
1114
01:11:24,625 --> 01:11:26,750
after our last encounter,
1115
01:11:26,834 --> 01:11:29,375
I wasn't looking
forward to another round
1116
01:11:29,458 --> 01:11:32,083
of this endless
boxing match.
1117
01:11:32,166 --> 01:11:33,750
We were stressed,
1118
01:11:33,834 --> 01:11:35,083
exhausted,
1119
01:11:35,166 --> 01:11:36,458
and most of all,
1120
01:11:36,542 --> 01:11:38,333
fed up.
1121
01:11:38,417 --> 01:11:42,166
It was not long before
the negotiation, once again,
1122
01:11:42,250 --> 01:11:45,458
deteriorated
to an exchange
of accusations.
1123
01:11:47,417 --> 01:11:50,959
Kurtzer:
It was the nastiest meeting
I've ever been in my life.
1124
01:11:51,041 --> 01:11:53,959
We just wanted to be
anywhere but in that room.
1125
01:11:54,041 --> 01:11:56,792
As I was leaving the room,
I turned around,
1126
01:11:56,875 --> 01:11:59,291
and the Israeli
and Palestinian delegations
1127
01:11:59,375 --> 01:12:02,667
are talking to each other
and having a cup of coffee.
1128
01:12:02,750 --> 01:12:05,583
I think it underscores
the point that
1129
01:12:05,667 --> 01:12:08,417
part of what happens
in negotiations is the...
1130
01:12:08,500 --> 01:12:11,291
humanization of the other side.
1131
01:12:11,375 --> 01:12:14,792
You no longer see just the,
quote, unquote, "enemy,"
1132
01:12:14,875 --> 01:12:16,583
but you see a person.
1133
01:12:16,667 --> 01:12:18,333
And you learn about
that person's family
1134
01:12:18,417 --> 01:12:20,000
and their ups and downs
1135
01:12:20,083 --> 01:12:22,500
and their happy moments,
and you get a sense of
1136
01:12:22,583 --> 01:12:24,542
how committed they are to peace.
1137
01:12:24,625 --> 01:12:27,834
And you never are able to
translate that to the public.
1138
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:34,000
Savir:
That evening, we improvised
a Friday prayer service.
1139
01:12:34,083 --> 01:12:35,500
We lit candles,
1140
01:12:35,583 --> 01:12:38,458
and much to the astonishment
of the Palestinians,
1141
01:12:38,542 --> 01:12:41,875
Singer recited
the Kiddush prayer.
1142
01:12:42,750 --> 01:12:45,667
We opened with, "Everybody
Loves Saturday Night,"
1143
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:47,625
in three languages.
1144
01:12:47,709 --> 01:12:51,208
Afterwards, Abu Ala
and myself joked around
1145
01:12:51,291 --> 01:12:54,834
by imitating the Peres
and Arafat conversation,
1146
01:12:54,917 --> 01:12:57,333
while Uri taught
Asfour how to sing
1147
01:12:57,417 --> 01:12:59,417
"My Yiddishe Momme."
1148
01:13:00,291 --> 01:13:02,333
It was nice to
kid around again.
1149
01:13:02,417 --> 01:13:04,667
♪ ♪
1150
01:13:04,750 --> 01:13:06,083
Later that night,
1151
01:13:06,166 --> 01:13:08,375
I received a call
from Jerusalem.
1152
01:13:08,458 --> 01:13:11,750
A bus exploded in
the center of the capital.
1153
01:13:23,458 --> 01:13:26,041
Savi:
We sat and watched
the news silently.
1154
01:13:26,125 --> 01:13:28,542
No one said a word.
1155
01:13:28,625 --> 01:13:32,208
No one doubted our Palestinian
friends opposed terror
1156
01:13:32,291 --> 01:13:35,291
and that it was directed
towards them as well.
1157
01:13:37,917 --> 01:13:41,542
Two days later, Abu Ala
called me up from his room,
1158
01:13:41,625 --> 01:13:45,458
and asked me to watch
the Arab evening news
with him.
1159
01:13:45,542 --> 01:13:49,625
We watched images
of a seven-year-old
boy's funeral,
1160
01:13:49,709 --> 01:13:53,625
a boy who had been
killed that day by
the Israeli Army.
1161
01:13:53,709 --> 01:13:55,834
♪ ♪
1162
01:13:57,834 --> 01:13:59,750
Abu Ala was right
when he said
1163
01:13:59,834 --> 01:14:03,083
that neither side has
dominion over suffering.
1164
01:14:03,166 --> 01:14:05,333
♪ ♪
1165
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:12,291
That night,
Abu Ala and I reached
the final draft
1166
01:14:12,375 --> 01:14:14,709
of the Oslo-B Agreement.
1167
01:16:52,166 --> 01:16:53,375
Announcer:
Ladies and gentlemen,
1168
01:16:53,458 --> 01:16:55,583
the President of
the United States,
1169
01:16:55,667 --> 01:16:59,583
His Majesty King Hussein of the
Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan,
1170
01:16:59,667 --> 01:17:02,208
His Excellency
Mohammed Hosni Mubarak,
1171
01:17:02,291 --> 01:17:04,625
president of the Arab
Republic of Egypt,
1172
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:08,417
His Excellency Yitzhak Rabin,
prime minister of Israel,
1173
01:17:08,500 --> 01:17:10,250
Chairman Arafat.
1174
01:17:10,333 --> 01:17:11,667
♪ ♪
1175
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:15,375
Rabin:
Please, take a good,
hard look.
1176
01:17:16,208 --> 01:17:20,959
The sight you see
was impossible,
1177
01:17:21,041 --> 01:17:24,667
was unthinkable
just two years ago.
1178
01:17:25,709 --> 01:17:28,625
Only poets dreamt of it,
1179
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:31,250
and to our great pain,
1180
01:17:31,333 --> 01:17:34,125
soldier and civilians
1181
01:17:34,208 --> 01:17:36,417
went to their death
1182
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:39,583
to make this moment
possible.
1183
01:17:41,208 --> 01:17:43,500
Shaath:
These were
the years of hope,
1184
01:17:43,583 --> 01:17:45,583
when the two peace camps
1185
01:17:45,667 --> 01:17:48,709
felt that they were somehow...
1186
01:17:49,542 --> 01:17:50,959
vindicated.
1187
01:17:51,041 --> 01:17:54,959
That they are bringing
to their people the fruits.
1188
01:18:04,917 --> 01:18:07,291
Newsman:
Abu Ala, are you
more optimistic now
1189
01:18:07,375 --> 01:18:09,208
than you've been,
let's say,
1190
01:18:09,291 --> 01:18:11,458
one day after Oslo 1?
1191
01:18:14,959 --> 01:18:17,000
Yes. Yes,
I am optimistic.
1192
01:18:17,083 --> 01:18:19,542
-Yes?
-I believe that...
1193
01:18:20,417 --> 01:18:22,375
the process
we agreed together,
1194
01:18:22,458 --> 01:18:23,709
it will continue,
1195
01:18:23,792 --> 01:18:25,709
despite of all
difficulties we face,
1196
01:18:25,792 --> 01:18:27,917
but it will succeed later.
1197
01:18:29,083 --> 01:18:31,500
We have, both,
we have a good will
1198
01:18:31,583 --> 01:18:33,417
to push this process forward.
1199
01:18:34,458 --> 01:18:35,542
Newsman:
Uri?
1200
01:18:35,625 --> 01:18:38,375
I concur with
what Abu Ala said,
1201
01:18:38,458 --> 01:18:40,083
and we really
have no choice.
1202
01:18:40,166 --> 01:18:42,208
And there's some good common
language around this table,
1203
01:18:42,291 --> 01:18:44,333
as you can see.
1204
01:19:04,333 --> 01:19:07,291
What is a Jewish sport?
1205
01:19:08,667 --> 01:19:10,875
And the saying is,
1206
01:19:10,959 --> 01:19:12,542
speech-making.
1207
01:19:16,125 --> 01:19:19,834
I start to believe,
Chairman Arafat,
1208
01:19:20,834 --> 01:19:23,542
that you are close to be Jewish.
1209
01:19:43,041 --> 01:19:45,417
Abraham is my grandfather!
1210
01:19:45,500 --> 01:19:47,417
Abraham is my grandfather!
1211
01:19:55,500 --> 01:19:57,625
Our partner.
1212
01:19:57,709 --> 01:19:59,709
Our cousin.
1213
01:20:02,875 --> 01:20:05,041
Yitzhak Rabin.
1214
01:20:58,417 --> 01:21:02,333
Savir: Rabin and Arafat
felt isolated
in the hostile environment.
1215
01:21:02,417 --> 01:21:04,834
The peace camp
wasn't going out
1216
01:21:04,917 --> 01:21:06,834
into the streets to protest.
1217
01:21:06,917 --> 01:21:10,417
Instead, they chose
to avoid confrontation.
1218
01:21:11,250 --> 01:21:14,625
The peace objectors, Hamas
on the Palestinian side,
1219
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:17,500
and the Greater Israel
camp on our side,
1220
01:21:17,583 --> 01:21:20,166
now own public opinion.
1221
01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:23,875
The face-off wasn't between
Israel and the Palestinians,
1222
01:21:23,959 --> 01:21:26,417
but between those
who supported peace
1223
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:29,000
and those
that objected to it.
1224
01:22:31,375 --> 01:22:32,875
Savir:
In early October,
1225
01:22:32,959 --> 01:22:35,125
John Friedman,
a friend of Peres,
1226
01:22:35,208 --> 01:22:37,208
convinced him to
arrange a rally
1227
01:22:37,291 --> 01:22:39,875
in support of
the peace process.
1228
01:22:39,959 --> 01:22:43,583
Peres urged Rabin to
accept the initiative.
1229
01:22:43,667 --> 01:22:45,625
But Rabin wondered,
1230
01:22:45,709 --> 01:22:48,041
would people even
leave their homes?
1231
01:22:49,375 --> 01:22:53,166
Those days, Rabin was more
pessimistic than ever.
1232
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,208
♪ ♪
1233
01:23:07,709 --> 01:23:08,959
Newsman:
If too much is heard
1234
01:23:09,041 --> 01:23:11,333
in the Middle East
from the few extremists,
1235
01:23:11,417 --> 01:23:13,792
tonight the supporters
of peace emerged
1236
01:23:13,875 --> 01:23:16,583
in a huge rally in Tel Aviv.
1237
01:23:16,667 --> 01:23:18,458
This is the young Israel,
1238
01:23:18,542 --> 01:23:20,125
tired of army service,
1239
01:23:20,208 --> 01:23:23,166
tired of chasing Palestinian
stone-throwing children
1240
01:23:23,250 --> 01:23:24,667
through refugee camps.
1241
01:23:24,750 --> 01:23:26,667
All sides are mobilizing,
1242
01:23:26,750 --> 01:23:29,542
for this is now becoming
one of the most contentious
moments
1243
01:23:29,625 --> 01:23:31,458
in Israeli history.
1244
01:23:31,542 --> 01:23:34,000
For the first time, perhaps,
the surprise is fading,
1245
01:23:34,083 --> 01:23:36,500
and there is a popular
momentum for peace.
1246
01:23:36,583 --> 01:23:38,291
♪ ♪
1247
01:26:05,041 --> 01:26:07,166
♪ ♪
1248
01:27:02,125 --> 01:27:04,000
♪ ♪
1249
01:28:21,333 --> 01:28:23,166
Erekat:
You know, these people
were fighting each other.
1250
01:28:23,250 --> 01:28:25,458
They don't recognize each
other, they kill each other,
1251
01:28:25,542 --> 01:28:27,750
and so on. It wasn't a play.
1252
01:28:27,834 --> 01:28:31,458
But then, later, I saw
Rabin's meeting with Arafat.
1253
01:28:31,542 --> 01:28:34,291
I saw meeting after meeting
after meeting after meeting.
1254
01:28:34,375 --> 01:28:36,000
I was there every
single meeting,
1255
01:28:36,083 --> 01:28:38,875
and I saw how their
relationships developed.
1256
01:28:39,709 --> 01:28:42,458
After the day when
Rabin was assassinated,
1257
01:28:42,542 --> 01:28:44,083
Arafat told me,
1258
01:28:44,166 --> 01:28:47,458
"They assassinated the peace
process in Israel."
1259
01:28:47,542 --> 01:28:49,375
And I disagreed with him.
1260
01:28:50,208 --> 01:28:52,792
No, Israel is not
about an individual.
1261
01:28:52,875 --> 01:28:54,125
It's about an institution.
1262
01:28:54,208 --> 01:28:55,959
It's about this, they...
1263
01:28:56,041 --> 01:28:58,166
have replacements and so on.
1264
01:28:59,083 --> 01:29:02,125
And he did like this
with his hand and told me,
1265
01:29:04,375 --> 01:29:06,166
"They...
1266
01:29:06,250 --> 01:29:08,083
assassinated the peace process."
1267
01:29:09,625 --> 01:29:12,250
♪ ♪
1268
01:29:16,750 --> 01:29:18,917
Beilin:
Peres was...
1269
01:29:20,250 --> 01:29:22,000
was not himself.
1270
01:29:22,083 --> 01:29:24,041
Was not himself.
1271
01:29:24,125 --> 01:29:26,750
He was very sad, deeply sad.
1272
01:29:33,625 --> 01:29:36,291
He was already
the prime minister,
1273
01:29:36,375 --> 01:29:38,375
and on Saturday,
1274
01:29:38,458 --> 01:29:41,792
I came to his home with all
the maps and all the material.
1275
01:29:44,291 --> 01:29:47,417
And I said to him,
1276
01:29:47,500 --> 01:29:51,125
this is the agreement that
we have with Abu Mazen.
1277
01:29:52,291 --> 01:29:54,875
I think that we can go for it.
1278
01:29:54,959 --> 01:29:56,542
You have the exact border,
1279
01:29:56,625 --> 01:29:58,542
you have the solution
for Jerusalem,
1280
01:29:58,625 --> 01:30:00,750
with everything else,
1281
01:30:00,834 --> 01:30:02,917
and...
1282
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:04,834
I think that now is the time.
1283
01:30:04,917 --> 01:30:06,667
I mean, everybody's so confused,
1284
01:30:06,750 --> 01:30:09,333
including ourselves,
but still...
1285
01:30:09,417 --> 01:30:11,250
there is a support for peace,
1286
01:30:11,333 --> 01:30:12,709
even more than before,
1287
01:30:12,792 --> 01:30:14,834
as a result of
the assassination,
1288
01:30:14,917 --> 01:30:16,834
and let us, "use it,"
1289
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:20,458
for his memory
and finish the job.
1290
01:30:25,792 --> 01:30:26,792
And,
1291
01:30:26,875 --> 01:30:29,208
he listened to me
very carefully,
1292
01:30:29,291 --> 01:30:30,792
for two hours...
1293
01:30:32,834 --> 01:30:35,792
and then he said, "Not now.
1294
01:30:35,875 --> 01:30:37,458
"Not now. I don't
think that people
1295
01:30:37,542 --> 01:30:40,250
are ready to leave
the Jordan Valley,"
1296
01:30:40,333 --> 01:30:42,417
which was part of the map,
1297
01:30:42,500 --> 01:30:46,083
so that Israel should withdraw
from the Jordan Valley.
1298
01:30:46,166 --> 01:30:48,542
And, uh...
1299
01:30:50,041 --> 01:30:52,250
"I think that
today to bring it
1300
01:30:52,333 --> 01:30:54,583
to the people will...
is immature."
1301
01:30:54,667 --> 01:30:56,625
Well, it is always immature,
1302
01:30:56,709 --> 01:30:59,333
but this is an opportunity.
1303
01:31:02,625 --> 01:31:04,458
I was not...
1304
01:31:04,542 --> 01:31:07,125
strong enough to tell him
1305
01:31:07,208 --> 01:31:09,667
it is your biggest mistake.
1306
01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:11,959
Reconsider it.
1307
01:31:12,041 --> 01:31:14,834
I did not come again
to him with this.
1308
01:31:17,041 --> 01:31:19,625
And, uh...
1309
01:31:19,709 --> 01:31:21,625
maybe it is in me.
1310
01:31:21,709 --> 01:31:24,667
Maybe it is part
of my weakness.
1311
01:31:27,667 --> 01:31:29,083
Maybe it was just a mistake,
1312
01:31:29,166 --> 01:31:30,250
I don't know.
1313
01:31:30,333 --> 01:31:32,667
But if you ask me
whether I regret it,
1314
01:31:33,834 --> 01:31:35,166
I, I do regret it.
1315
01:31:35,250 --> 01:31:37,458
I had, I had, apparently,
1316
01:31:37,542 --> 01:31:38,917
to fight more
1317
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,083
for, for, uh...
1318
01:31:41,166 --> 01:31:43,417
for the permanent agreement.
1319
01:31:45,542 --> 01:31:49,041
♪ ♪
1320
01:31:49,125 --> 01:31:52,166
Savir:
On May 5th, 1996,
1321
01:31:52,250 --> 01:31:55,000
I found myself back in
the familiar surroundings
1322
01:31:55,083 --> 01:31:57,041
of the Hilton Taba.
1323
01:31:57,125 --> 01:31:59,625
I wondered about
the three years that passed
1324
01:31:59,709 --> 01:32:02,083
since I first met
Abu Ala in Oslo.
1325
01:32:02,917 --> 01:32:05,458
Since then,
our lives had become
1326
01:32:05,542 --> 01:32:06,959
a combination of promise
1327
01:32:07,041 --> 01:32:09,000
and anguish.
1328
01:32:09,083 --> 01:32:10,792
The process we started
1329
01:32:10,875 --> 01:32:13,333
had withstood
tremendous trials.
1330
01:32:13,417 --> 01:32:15,166
Since the first day in Oslo,
1331
01:32:15,250 --> 01:32:19,166
and up until this current
exchange in May '96,
1332
01:32:19,250 --> 01:32:23,250
1,100 days of peace
talks had passed.
1333
01:32:24,250 --> 01:32:26,667
When we said our
farewells that day,
1334
01:32:26,750 --> 01:32:29,542
I never imagined that
it would be my last
1335
01:32:29,625 --> 01:32:33,834
and final meeting
with Abu Ala
in my official role
1336
01:32:33,917 --> 01:32:36,291
as head of the Israeli
negotiating team.
1337
01:32:37,792 --> 01:32:40,417
If I had known it
was all going to end,
1338
01:32:40,500 --> 01:32:41,917
maybe I would have come up
1339
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,542
with something more
intelligent to say to him.
1340
01:32:44,625 --> 01:32:47,083
But all I said
to Abu Ala was,
1341
01:32:47,166 --> 01:32:49,959
see you soon, my friend.
1342
01:32:52,458 --> 01:32:55,375
Newsman:
Nearly 80 percent of Israel's
four million voters
1343
01:32:55,458 --> 01:32:57,417
streamed to polling stations.
1344
01:32:57,500 --> 01:32:59,041
Everyone seemed to understand
1345
01:32:59,125 --> 01:33:01,458
why this election
was important.
1346
01:33:02,333 --> 01:33:05,542
In suburban Tel Aviv,
voters chose Peres.
1347
01:33:05,625 --> 01:33:08,083
The peace process means hope,
1348
01:33:08,166 --> 01:33:10,709
so that he won't be
1349
01:33:10,792 --> 01:33:13,375
in a bloody army
or in a bloody war.
1350
01:33:13,458 --> 01:33:15,458
Newsman:
In the West Bank
city of Hebron,
1351
01:33:15,542 --> 01:33:18,208
Jewish settlers
voted for Netanyahu.
1352
01:33:18,291 --> 01:33:20,083
Peres want to be,
1353
01:33:20,166 --> 01:33:22,750
to give our land to
the Arabs, so, of course,
1354
01:33:22,834 --> 01:33:24,583
we are voting for
Benjamin Netanyahu.
1355
01:33:24,667 --> 01:33:26,417
Newsman:
Tonight,
those who support
1356
01:33:26,500 --> 01:33:28,750
the steps Israel has
taken toward peace
1357
01:33:28,834 --> 01:33:30,291
are clinging to the hope
1358
01:33:30,375 --> 01:33:32,792
that they may be
the ultimate winners.
1359
01:33:32,875 --> 01:33:35,000
♪ ♪
1360
01:34:29,041 --> 01:34:32,792
Singer:
It's like someone
building a bridge,
1361
01:34:32,875 --> 01:34:35,834
and building
and building and building
1362
01:34:35,917 --> 01:34:40,166
something that
could have really
1363
01:34:40,250 --> 01:34:41,792
changed...
1364
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:44,166
the Middle East.
1365
01:34:44,250 --> 01:34:47,834
An opportunity
like this comes
1366
01:34:47,917 --> 01:34:50,000
once in a hundred years,
1367
01:34:50,083 --> 01:34:52,083
and it was wasted.
1368
01:34:54,083 --> 01:34:57,542
I felt so bad
1369
01:34:57,625 --> 01:35:00,166
when it all collapsed
1370
01:35:00,250 --> 01:35:03,667
because I held it already,
1371
01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:05,166
and I felt,
1372
01:35:05,250 --> 01:35:07,834
we can do it! We can do it!
1373
01:35:07,917 --> 01:35:10,083
And then...
1374
01:35:11,583 --> 01:35:14,000
It went wrong,
1375
01:35:14,083 --> 01:35:15,750
and I knew,
1376
01:35:16,792 --> 01:35:18,250
it's not in my lifetime.
1377
01:35:18,333 --> 01:35:20,542
Probably not in
my kids' lifetime.
1378
01:35:20,625 --> 01:35:22,542
Maybe the grandchildren.
1379
01:35:57,500 --> 01:36:00,667
♪ ♪
1380
01:37:36,375 --> 01:37:38,667
Interviewer:
Are you still an optimist?
1381
01:37:38,750 --> 01:37:40,875
Do you still believe
there's a chance for peace
1382
01:37:40,959 --> 01:37:42,959
between us
and the Palestinians?
1383
01:37:43,041 --> 01:37:45,792
I don't think there's
another alternative.
1384
01:37:45,875 --> 01:37:49,500
Neither for the Palestinians,
nor for us.
1385
01:37:49,583 --> 01:37:53,083
The only alternative
is an ongoing war.
1386
01:37:54,458 --> 01:37:56,875
But contrary what people think,
1387
01:37:56,959 --> 01:37:59,542
in war, there are no victories.
1388
01:37:59,625 --> 01:38:01,875
Only victims.
1389
01:38:01,959 --> 01:38:04,500
No war is ever finished,
1390
01:38:04,583 --> 01:38:08,208
unless it's being
replaced by peace.
1391
01:38:08,291 --> 01:38:10,333
♪ ♪
1392
01:38:30,959 --> 01:38:33,125
♪ ♪
1393
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:03,166
♪ ♪
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