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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:42,227 --> 00:01:44,686 Man, you know, who says you need to buy a guitar? 2 00:02:39,659 --> 00:02:44,079 It's like a piece of sculpture. Wonderful span of wood varnish. 3 00:02:44,914 --> 00:02:49,084 The whole aroma of it. Like a woman, you know? 4 00:02:49,419 --> 00:02:51,795 You can caress it like a woman. 5 00:02:54,257 --> 00:02:57,426 Every element, the wood, the finish, 6 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,180 and all the different aspects are there in the sound. 7 00:03:03,641 --> 00:03:08,312 Electric conveys, like, amplification, energy. 8 00:03:11,608 --> 00:03:13,650 It's all part and parcel of who I am, 9 00:03:13,735 --> 00:03:17,529 is playing the electric guitar and bonding with it. 10 00:03:29,250 --> 00:03:30,959 It's gonna be very interesting. 11 00:03:31,044 --> 00:03:32,461 It's gonna be very interesting 12 00:03:32,545 --> 00:03:38,050 because both are really, really strong character guitarists. 13 00:03:38,176 --> 00:03:40,636 Both White Stripes and Zeppelin 14 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,139 were able to do something that was their own, was unique, 15 00:03:44,224 --> 00:03:46,642 and had never been done before. 16 00:03:46,726 --> 00:03:49,728 When the three of us get together, what's gonna happen? 17 00:03:49,812 --> 00:03:50,938 Probably a fistfight. 18 00:04:17,507 --> 00:04:19,383 There's a lot of soul in this guitar. 19 00:04:19,467 --> 00:04:22,719 When Jack plays it, it just goes wild. 20 00:04:24,931 --> 00:04:30,394 This is Edge's main... His main enchilada. This is the brain of the system. 21 00:04:30,478 --> 00:04:34,356 It's going to be interesting to see him layering his effects. 22 00:04:34,857 --> 00:04:37,276 He's known to be a sort of sonic architect. 23 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:44,783 I plan to trick both of these guys. That's basically what I'm gonna do. 24 00:04:44,867 --> 00:04:48,287 Trick them into teaching me all their tricks. 25 00:04:58,423 --> 00:05:00,465 We're going there to have a chat. 26 00:05:00,550 --> 00:05:03,093 But it just so happens that the instruments 27 00:05:03,177 --> 00:05:05,470 are sort of there as well, so who knows? 28 00:05:29,829 --> 00:05:33,457 - What's this, Edge? - It's a little... It's a form of yoga. 29 00:05:34,876 --> 00:05:37,544 It actually was devised in Wales. 30 00:05:38,921 --> 00:05:40,672 It's called Daboke. 31 00:05:42,467 --> 00:05:45,427 Are you... What's the BlackBerry to do with it? 32 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,139 It's just a little adaptation I've made 33 00:05:49,223 --> 00:05:52,893 just to make better use of time. 34 00:05:53,186 --> 00:05:55,103 Does Sting do this? 35 00:05:55,521 --> 00:05:58,523 He doesn't do Daboke, he does some other kind of yoga. 36 00:06:09,118 --> 00:06:12,371 I'm very interested in what hardware can do 37 00:06:12,789 --> 00:06:15,082 to an electric guitar sound. 38 00:06:15,625 --> 00:06:17,584 I love effects units. 39 00:06:18,628 --> 00:06:21,213 They've always pushed music forward. 40 00:06:21,422 --> 00:06:22,631 When he pushes a button... 41 00:06:22,757 --> 00:06:27,052 Let's say that button addresses that unit, you know? 42 00:06:27,136 --> 00:06:29,388 This button addresses that unit. 43 00:06:29,472 --> 00:06:30,722 And it's very rarely 44 00:06:30,807 --> 00:06:37,312 that he will use the same sound ever again in 20, 23 songs. 45 00:06:54,747 --> 00:06:58,333 The guitars are set per song 46 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,253 with their output levels. 47 00:07:01,337 --> 00:07:06,007 They're dedicated for that song and that guitar level is... 48 00:07:06,843 --> 00:07:12,180 He sets his effects to receive that guitar level in a particular way. 49 00:07:21,774 --> 00:07:23,275 I drive everyone crazy. 50 00:07:23,359 --> 00:07:26,945 I drive myself totally crazy, trying to get the sound 51 00:07:27,029 --> 00:07:30,449 that I can hear in my head to come out of the speakers. 52 00:07:31,617 --> 00:07:35,036 It's my voice, that is my voice, what's coming out of the speaker. 53 00:07:42,545 --> 00:07:43,670 That'd be wicked. 54 00:07:51,012 --> 00:07:53,221 Take out the TC. 55 00:08:24,712 --> 00:08:29,508 Technology is a big destroyer of emotion and truth. 56 00:08:31,677 --> 00:08:34,012 Opportunity doesn't do anything for creativity. 57 00:08:34,096 --> 00:08:36,848 Yeah, it makes it easier, and you can get home sooner, 58 00:08:36,933 --> 00:08:39,351 but it doesn't make you a more creative person. 59 00:08:48,569 --> 00:08:52,113 That's the disease you have to fight in any creative field. 60 00:08:52,198 --> 00:08:53,281 Ease of use. 61 00:09:13,135 --> 00:09:14,261 All right, sing it. 62 00:09:18,808 --> 00:09:19,975 Yeah, that's it. 63 00:09:20,059 --> 00:09:23,395 By the time I'm getting into teenage years, like, late '80s and things like that, 64 00:09:23,479 --> 00:09:25,564 I don't remember that many rock 'n' roll bands 65 00:09:25,648 --> 00:09:28,275 being around that were that popular. 66 00:09:28,609 --> 00:09:30,068 Things were changing so much in music. 67 00:09:30,152 --> 00:09:32,821 The technology was taking over so much. 68 00:09:32,905 --> 00:09:34,489 Technology was heavily distracting everybody. 69 00:09:34,574 --> 00:09:37,909 I mean, people started spending weeks trying to get the perfect snare drum 70 00:09:37,994 --> 00:09:39,869 and gated reverb sound. 71 00:09:44,333 --> 00:09:46,668 That's right. That's right. 72 00:09:46,836 --> 00:09:49,671 So processed, it wasn't real at all anymore. 73 00:09:54,135 --> 00:09:55,677 Just go up top. 74 00:10:08,482 --> 00:10:09,983 If you really want to get girls to pay attention 75 00:10:10,067 --> 00:10:12,193 kick that chair out like... 76 00:10:46,896 --> 00:10:50,815 Because of the amplification and the tactile quality of it, 77 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:54,736 you can hear the very, sort of, characteristics of each player. 78 00:10:56,947 --> 00:11:01,534 People have just tried to stretch the limits, come up with new techniques. 79 00:11:02,119 --> 00:11:05,538 There's always something new that other people are bringing to the table 80 00:11:05,623 --> 00:11:08,583 that is to be reckoned with very seriously. 81 00:11:33,109 --> 00:11:34,567 Dynamics, 82 00:11:36,904 --> 00:11:38,780 light and shade, 83 00:11:40,616 --> 00:11:43,159 whisper to the thunder, 84 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,333 sort of invite you in, sort of intoxicating. 85 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,662 Well, the thing that fascinates me about it, 86 00:12:27,788 --> 00:12:31,332 and always has about the six strings, no one has ever approached... 87 00:12:31,459 --> 00:12:36,337 They all play in a different way and, you know, their personality comes through. 88 00:12:36,464 --> 00:12:39,841 During my time as a songwriter and performer, 89 00:12:39,967 --> 00:12:44,721 I've kind of watched and felt that I was seeing the end of the guitar 90 00:12:44,847 --> 00:12:48,183 as a kind of focus for popular music. 91 00:12:49,018 --> 00:12:52,187 And yet every time I think it's kind of counted out, 92 00:12:52,313 --> 00:12:54,314 it flares up somewhere else. 93 00:12:54,398 --> 00:12:58,568 I keep guitars that are, you know... The neck's a little bit bent, 94 00:12:58,694 --> 00:13:01,696 and it's a little bit out of tune, and I want to work and battle it 95 00:13:01,822 --> 00:13:06,493 and conquer it and make it express whatever attitude I have at that moment. 96 00:13:06,577 --> 00:13:08,703 I want it to be a struggle. 97 00:13:09,747 --> 00:13:12,373 I have no idea what these are, but... 98 00:13:38,567 --> 00:13:43,112 My early demos were real sketches. They weren't fully fleshed out. 99 00:13:49,745 --> 00:13:52,330 That's interesting. That ended up... 100 00:13:55,417 --> 00:13:59,462 It's the music that tells us the direction the song should go. 101 00:13:59,588 --> 00:14:04,759 As writers, we start with the feeling and everything follows from that. 102 00:14:07,763 --> 00:14:11,474 These guitar parts ended up in the final version, 103 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,853 so this could be discovering, you know, 104 00:14:14,937 --> 00:14:19,107 those particular voicings of the chords and what have you. 105 00:14:36,458 --> 00:14:41,129 Four, five, six. 106 00:14:42,965 --> 00:14:45,675 Bono's actually calling out the timing. 107 00:14:46,218 --> 00:14:47,927 That's funny. 108 00:14:48,012 --> 00:14:49,637 Four, five, six. 109 00:14:53,475 --> 00:14:56,019 'Cause the first section's in a different time signature, 110 00:14:56,145 --> 00:15:01,065 so it was a little bit of a head trip to go between the two. 111 00:15:01,483 --> 00:15:04,152 One, two, three, four, five, six. One... 112 00:15:04,278 --> 00:15:07,113 But you can count it in different ways. 113 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:11,159 ...six. One, two, three, four, five, six. 114 00:15:11,452 --> 00:15:16,998 One, two, three, four, five, six. 115 00:15:19,001 --> 00:15:21,628 Or you can go, one, two, three, one, two, three. 116 00:15:21,712 --> 00:15:23,671 It's like a waltz beat. 117 00:15:24,340 --> 00:15:27,175 One, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three. 118 00:16:20,729 --> 00:16:25,608 When you start to treat the sound, you start to invoke locations. 119 00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:29,404 As I'm working, I'm often thinking about, "Where is this?" 120 00:16:30,906 --> 00:16:32,865 Where is this location? 121 00:16:36,453 --> 00:16:42,250 Wow, there was a whole science block there when I was living here. 122 00:16:42,376 --> 00:16:43,751 That's amazing. 123 00:16:44,211 --> 00:16:49,257 We played on a kind of flat area over there with, 124 00:16:49,383 --> 00:16:51,759 I wouldn't say a paying audience... 125 00:16:56,765 --> 00:16:58,558 We all got up here. 126 00:16:58,976 --> 00:17:01,436 Larry was back here obviously 127 00:17:02,563 --> 00:17:04,939 and I think I was on this side. 128 00:17:05,399 --> 00:17:08,443 - You were there? - Yeah, I was this side, yeah. 129 00:17:09,111 --> 00:17:10,737 Actually, and have been ever since. 130 00:17:19,621 --> 00:17:22,123 This was where we used to rehearse. 131 00:17:22,791 --> 00:17:25,543 Now, this is really the very, very beginning for us, you know. 132 00:17:25,627 --> 00:17:30,965 So, this was Mr. McKenzie's room, and he was very nice to us. 133 00:17:32,134 --> 00:17:37,972 So, rehearsal was 10 minutes of clearing away desks and chairs, 134 00:17:38,098 --> 00:17:40,308 and then an hour of 135 00:17:41,518 --> 00:17:43,519 seeing if we could get anything together. 136 00:17:43,645 --> 00:17:46,481 None of us could play at this point, really. 137 00:17:46,815 --> 00:17:50,359 For a while, we would come and we would try and go through songs, 138 00:17:50,486 --> 00:17:53,654 and it was really bad. Like, really, really bad. 139 00:18:12,382 --> 00:18:15,676 The thrill was just being able to do it even if you did it badly. 140 00:18:28,732 --> 00:18:30,024 Hello. 141 00:18:33,737 --> 00:18:35,696 We're always worried about being satisfied. 142 00:18:35,823 --> 00:18:38,866 When you become satisfied, it's sort of like you just die. 143 00:18:46,416 --> 00:18:49,502 My name is Jack White, and this is my big sister, Meg White, on the drums. 144 00:18:49,586 --> 00:18:52,880 Thank you for letting us into your home. We really appreciate it. 145 00:19:07,729 --> 00:19:11,274 What can I do with three strings on a guitar instead of six? 146 00:19:14,903 --> 00:19:16,779 It takes me three steps to get over 147 00:19:16,905 --> 00:19:20,324 to play the organ in the middle of this song. Put it four steps away, 148 00:19:20,409 --> 00:19:23,953 then I'll have to run faster and I'll push myself harder to get to it. 149 00:19:39,261 --> 00:19:41,220 Meg and I don't even talk about what the first song's gonna be. 150 00:19:41,305 --> 00:19:42,430 We just go out and play. 151 00:19:42,556 --> 00:19:44,640 Think of something fast, hurry up and think of something, 152 00:19:44,766 --> 00:19:46,767 because these guys want a show. 153 00:19:48,103 --> 00:19:49,562 People know when something's fake 154 00:19:49,646 --> 00:19:53,107 and they know when something's rehashed and rehearsed. 155 00:19:53,275 --> 00:19:55,318 They know when you're telling the same joke between songs 156 00:19:55,444 --> 00:19:58,237 that you told in Poughkeepsie last night. 157 00:19:58,447 --> 00:20:00,156 They can smell it. 158 00:20:13,420 --> 00:20:16,631 I play really old guitars, plastic guitars. 159 00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:22,595 If you want it easy you buy a brand-new Les Paul 160 00:20:22,679 --> 00:20:24,847 or a brand-new Stratocaster. 161 00:20:33,315 --> 00:20:37,193 And this is my main guitar that I played live 162 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:40,112 for my 10 years in the White Stripes. 163 00:20:40,197 --> 00:20:42,365 It's a hollow piece of plastic. 164 00:20:42,491 --> 00:20:45,534 And you got this at Montgomery Ward's department store. 165 00:20:45,661 --> 00:20:49,455 Sears sold Silvertones and Montgomery Ward sold Airlines. 166 00:20:49,665 --> 00:20:54,043 I want to show you, Jack, what the... If you just take this and... 167 00:21:11,395 --> 00:21:13,896 Yeah, that's it. Pick a fight with it. 168 00:21:14,022 --> 00:21:16,816 That's what you gotta do. Pick a fight with it and win the fight. 169 00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:18,484 He's learning. 170 00:21:19,861 --> 00:21:22,822 I'd like to introduce Led Zeppelin to you. 171 00:21:28,704 --> 00:21:32,415 On bass guitar, John Paul Jones. This is John Paul Jones. 172 00:21:36,753 --> 00:21:38,921 On drums, John Bonham. 173 00:21:43,927 --> 00:21:46,095 Lead guitar, Jimmy Page. 174 00:21:51,601 --> 00:21:53,602 And myself, Robert Plant. 175 00:21:54,730 --> 00:21:57,189 We were so comfortable playing with each other 176 00:21:57,274 --> 00:22:00,026 that we could take it in any direction. 177 00:22:04,239 --> 00:22:08,242 The four members of the band had taken on this sort of fifth element. 178 00:22:13,123 --> 00:22:16,792 Passion, honesty and competence. 179 00:22:18,587 --> 00:22:20,421 Absolute musical heaven. 180 00:23:01,463 --> 00:23:02,588 Wow. 181 00:23:05,092 --> 00:23:08,094 Boy, oh, boy, this brings back some memories. 182 00:23:11,014 --> 00:23:14,642 Yeah, this is... Well, come straight into the entrance hall 183 00:23:15,644 --> 00:23:18,979 and this is the hall where the drums were set up 184 00:23:19,106 --> 00:23:22,608 and where Levee Breaks was recorded. 185 00:23:29,699 --> 00:23:32,201 We had been recording in this room here. 186 00:23:32,327 --> 00:23:34,578 Bonzo had ordered a new drum kit. 187 00:23:34,663 --> 00:23:38,332 His tech, you know, his road manager, had set it up in the hall. 188 00:23:38,458 --> 00:23:42,878 And when Bonzo came out, he started playing it in this thing, 189 00:23:43,004 --> 00:23:44,547 and it was this huge expanse. 190 00:23:46,842 --> 00:23:49,635 You're getting the drums reflecting off of the walls, 191 00:23:49,719 --> 00:23:52,138 you know, this wonderful ambience to the drums. 192 00:23:55,475 --> 00:23:58,644 Yeah, you can hear the reflective surfaces. 193 00:23:58,728 --> 00:24:01,522 You know, it's really live and ambient. 194 00:24:02,566 --> 00:24:05,734 We had a recording truck parked on the outside here. 195 00:24:05,861 --> 00:24:09,113 And you'd be running the wires from their cables 196 00:24:09,197 --> 00:24:11,824 with the mic leads, running them into the house. 197 00:24:11,908 --> 00:24:15,578 The mics were put up here over the banisters here. 198 00:24:18,248 --> 00:24:21,375 In those days, the drummer would be in a little booth 199 00:24:21,501 --> 00:24:25,713 so the drums were just totally, you know, crushed. 200 00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:28,674 This was quite radical. 201 00:24:28,758 --> 00:24:32,595 After this you heard of other, you know, drummers 202 00:24:32,721 --> 00:24:36,640 and bands looking for lift shafts and things to record in, 203 00:24:36,725 --> 00:24:38,934 to get the height, you see. 204 00:24:49,446 --> 00:24:53,657 We'd done three albums that were recorded in the studio. 205 00:24:53,742 --> 00:24:56,368 And this was another approach. 206 00:25:27,108 --> 00:25:30,027 As a kid, what was going on in the music 207 00:25:30,111 --> 00:25:34,240 was as important to me as what was going on vocally and lyrically, 208 00:25:34,616 --> 00:25:36,283 and it always was. 209 00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:48,295 Just word of mouth and grapevines. 210 00:25:50,465 --> 00:25:51,757 Isolation. 211 00:25:54,135 --> 00:25:58,013 We moved house and the guitar was there, left behind. 212 00:25:58,139 --> 00:25:59,223 It was one of these, sort of, 213 00:25:59,307 --> 00:26:02,601 weird interventions of the guitar into our family. 214 00:26:03,603 --> 00:26:07,439 It was just like a sort of ornament left behind at the house. 215 00:26:23,498 --> 00:26:26,834 For anyone who could play guitars, they all played skiffle. 216 00:26:28,128 --> 00:26:31,547 That was the sort of community project at the time. 217 00:26:34,301 --> 00:26:37,678 Played on massive guitars and washboards. 218 00:26:39,681 --> 00:26:41,223 Local cuisine. 219 00:26:43,977 --> 00:26:47,479 Very, very English. Pre-rock this is. 220 00:26:51,484 --> 00:26:54,069 We all weaned on that music. 221 00:26:54,195 --> 00:26:57,698 It was like a sort of rock 'n' roll breastfeeding of it. 222 00:26:57,824 --> 00:27:01,702 I went to school one day after hearing this stuff 223 00:27:01,828 --> 00:27:03,621 and seeing Lonnie Donegan on the television. 224 00:27:03,705 --> 00:27:06,957 This guy actually had a guitar and he was playing Rock Island Line. 225 00:27:07,042 --> 00:27:08,459 It was like, "Wow." 226 00:27:08,543 --> 00:27:10,127 And I said, "I've got one of those at home." 227 00:27:10,211 --> 00:27:12,588 And he said, "Bring it along and I'll show you how to tune it." 228 00:27:12,714 --> 00:27:15,507 Well, that was more accessible to be able to start to play. 229 00:27:15,592 --> 00:27:17,384 Right, you could put a band together pretty easily. 230 00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:19,887 I mean, you could get to know one chord and just strum it all day 231 00:27:20,013 --> 00:27:21,263 and be having a great time, you know. 232 00:27:38,406 --> 00:27:42,076 We were a little local band and we were playing around 233 00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:45,287 school dances, and not even the slightest, 234 00:27:45,413 --> 00:27:49,291 mildest consideration that that would go into something. 235 00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:52,127 There wasn't this driving thing, that the minute you hit your teens, 236 00:27:52,253 --> 00:27:54,088 you gotta be famous. 237 00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:57,299 What are your two names? Yours is? 238 00:27:57,425 --> 00:27:59,093 - James Page and... - David Houston. 239 00:27:59,219 --> 00:28:00,552 And you're just learning to play the guitar? 240 00:28:00,637 --> 00:28:02,596 - Yes, from a teacher. - From a teacher. 241 00:28:02,722 --> 00:28:04,181 Do you play anything except skiffle? 242 00:28:04,265 --> 00:28:05,599 Yes, Spanish and dance. 243 00:28:05,725 --> 00:28:07,976 Do you? What are you gonna do when you leave school? 244 00:28:08,103 --> 00:28:09,144 Take up skiffle? 245 00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:11,772 No, I want to do, well, biological research. 246 00:28:23,243 --> 00:28:27,079 Dublin in the mid-'70s was really economically very challenged. 247 00:28:31,793 --> 00:28:34,211 The economy was in the toilet. 248 00:28:38,633 --> 00:28:42,302 We just didn't believe that anything could change. 249 00:28:53,481 --> 00:28:54,773 There has to be more than this. 250 00:28:54,858 --> 00:28:59,361 This is not the only thing that is on offer here. 251 00:29:41,529 --> 00:29:43,113 You want to figure out how you want to play guitar, 252 00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:44,948 what your niche will be. 253 00:29:45,033 --> 00:29:47,284 You just start digging deeper. 254 00:29:48,369 --> 00:29:51,330 When you're digging deeper into rock 'n' roll, 255 00:29:51,414 --> 00:29:53,957 well, you're on a freight train headed straight for the blues. 256 00:30:09,557 --> 00:30:13,936 1930s, really scary version of the blues. 257 00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:17,481 If you go back and listen to some of these songs, 258 00:30:17,565 --> 00:30:22,152 I mean, you can't really believe that they were even recorded to wax. 259 00:30:23,071 --> 00:30:25,489 Robert Johnson. Dark Was the Night. 260 00:30:25,573 --> 00:30:27,157 Blind Willie Johnson. 261 00:30:27,784 --> 00:30:30,327 "I asked her for water, she gave me gasoline." 262 00:30:30,912 --> 00:30:34,248 Minor key, anti the establishment. 263 00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:38,335 Questioning themselves. 264 00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:40,671 Painful. 265 00:30:43,466 --> 00:30:46,677 There's a tension in that music that you can feel. 266 00:30:47,929 --> 00:30:50,806 It just feels like there's this place where, you know, 267 00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:54,309 my soul rests and those guys were expressing it. 268 00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:08,365 In the Bible, God cursed the ground, 269 00:31:08,449 --> 00:31:12,119 so that the man will always be... Will have to work hard. 270 00:31:13,454 --> 00:31:18,041 Whether you're a farmer, or a carpenter, or a guitar player, or whatever it is, 271 00:31:18,126 --> 00:31:20,878 you have to fight these man-made materials. 272 00:31:29,804 --> 00:31:32,014 Fifteen-minute guitar solos, 273 00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:35,893 15-minute organ solos or the drum solos. 274 00:31:35,977 --> 00:31:39,021 There was a huge element of self-indulgence. 275 00:31:39,147 --> 00:31:44,234 Professional rock musicians who looked down upon their fans. 276 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,156 Those old colors were dead, and we wanted none of it. 277 00:31:55,663 --> 00:31:58,832 Spinal Tap, that's a movie that I watched. 278 00:31:59,709 --> 00:32:04,087 I didn't laugh, I wept. It was so close to the truth. 279 00:32:06,341 --> 00:32:09,259 Music really was searching at that moment. 280 00:33:16,744 --> 00:33:19,788 I'd listen to anything with a guitar on it when I was a kid, you know... 281 00:33:19,914 --> 00:33:20,998 Yeah. 282 00:33:21,082 --> 00:33:25,168 ...that was being played, and all those different approaches and the echoes, 283 00:33:25,253 --> 00:33:28,213 but the first time I heard the Rumble, it was like... 284 00:33:28,297 --> 00:33:31,049 That was something that had so much profound attitude to it. 285 00:33:31,134 --> 00:33:33,260 - Yeah, it really does. - It really does. 286 00:33:36,514 --> 00:33:41,768 Now he's starting to increase a vibrato on his amplifier. 287 00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:45,272 You hear... And it gets more intense. 288 00:34:11,382 --> 00:34:15,218 Most of my day was spent going through these records, 289 00:34:15,303 --> 00:34:17,054 listening to sounds, 290 00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:20,307 or playing guitar with the sounds. 291 00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:26,646 I was pulled in through those speakers. 292 00:34:28,191 --> 00:34:30,650 This wonderful guitar playing. 293 00:34:32,153 --> 00:34:34,488 Got to get to grips with that. 294 00:34:34,989 --> 00:34:36,990 Just two people, bass. 295 00:34:38,993 --> 00:34:41,536 Go home and see if you can play it. 296 00:34:48,586 --> 00:34:51,630 All these old friends that I used to visit on a daily, 297 00:34:51,714 --> 00:34:55,509 almost hourly, almost a per-minute basis. 298 00:34:57,845 --> 00:35:01,014 Okay. Might get loud for a second. 299 00:35:14,278 --> 00:35:19,074 As kids, we were so experimental with whatever was around. 300 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,707 Taking stuff apart, 301 00:35:29,043 --> 00:35:32,129 we were always tinkering, always messing around. 302 00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:38,385 We built a guitar when my brother was 16. I was 14. 303 00:35:41,389 --> 00:35:45,600 Literally hand-wound the magnets to make the pickups. 304 00:35:48,604 --> 00:35:50,564 Every little component. 305 00:35:55,570 --> 00:35:59,614 Got wood from Barry O'Connell's parents' place. 306 00:36:01,492 --> 00:36:04,494 Hand-carved the neck, hand-carved the body, 307 00:36:05,413 --> 00:36:07,998 sawed the grooves, put the fret wire in, 308 00:36:08,082 --> 00:36:11,585 every aspect, and put it together. 309 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,013 I mean, it wasn't the best guitar that's ever been made, 310 00:36:23,097 --> 00:36:24,806 but it functioned. 311 00:36:37,278 --> 00:36:39,779 Never wanted to play guitar, ever. 312 00:36:40,281 --> 00:36:42,449 Everyone plays guitar. 313 00:36:43,492 --> 00:36:45,202 What's the point? 314 00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:56,630 I'm the youngest of 10 kids, and there was just stuff around. 315 00:36:56,714 --> 00:36:58,840 A microscope, a power tool. 316 00:37:04,347 --> 00:37:05,889 When you're in a family of 10 kids, 317 00:37:05,973 --> 00:37:08,934 I mean, it's just a given. You're gonna be sharing all day long. 318 00:37:09,018 --> 00:37:11,728 Hand-me-down clothes, hand-me-down toys. 319 00:37:11,979 --> 00:37:15,106 Different interests, and everyone's in and out all the time. 320 00:37:15,191 --> 00:37:17,943 Some people are walking to work, some people are taking the bus. 321 00:37:18,027 --> 00:37:20,362 Competition, fighting for food. 322 00:37:20,488 --> 00:37:24,366 You push each other over. You muscle your way into situations. 323 00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:29,412 My brothers, a bunch of them were musicians, 324 00:37:29,497 --> 00:37:31,831 bass, keyboards, played guitar. 325 00:37:39,340 --> 00:37:43,301 I got really into drumming, playing along with the records. 326 00:37:43,386 --> 00:37:45,845 Those rhythms got into me early. 327 00:37:48,683 --> 00:37:52,519 100% only caring about music and rhythm. 328 00:37:53,604 --> 00:37:57,524 I had a bedroom that was about seven by seven feet, really small. 329 00:37:57,608 --> 00:38:00,527 There was so much junk I had collected. 330 00:38:01,904 --> 00:38:04,281 I had two drum sets in there, 331 00:38:05,032 --> 00:38:08,201 a guitar amplifier and a reel-to-reel and no bed. 332 00:38:08,536 --> 00:38:10,287 I took the bed out. 333 00:38:11,038 --> 00:38:14,457 I slept on a piece of foam on an angle by the door. 334 00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:33,518 The thing that we started out with is a clear idea 335 00:38:33,602 --> 00:38:36,354 of what we did not want to sound like. 336 00:38:36,439 --> 00:38:41,067 Time to bop with the best in rock and pop on this week's Top of the Pops! 337 00:38:46,282 --> 00:38:50,785 Top of the Pops was this longstanding pop TV show. 338 00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:54,164 Most of it was pretty anemic. 339 00:38:59,587 --> 00:39:03,923 If one out of the 10 items on the show was cool, you were lucky. 340 00:39:08,596 --> 00:39:12,015 That was the only live music that we could get to see. 341 00:39:12,099 --> 00:39:14,309 Making their debut on this week's Top of the Pops, 342 00:39:14,435 --> 00:39:17,103 here's The Jam and an effervescent new 45. 343 00:39:17,188 --> 00:39:19,022 One, two, three, four! 344 00:39:33,287 --> 00:39:36,998 It was like somebodyjust lit the touch paper on this bomb. 345 00:39:37,958 --> 00:39:41,836 So unexpected. I'd never seen anything like it. 346 00:39:43,547 --> 00:39:45,840 And a hope for a new beginning. 347 00:39:52,556 --> 00:39:54,474 It was like a switch went on. 348 00:39:57,728 --> 00:40:00,522 If we believed fully in what we were about, 349 00:40:00,981 --> 00:40:05,068 that actually was far more important than how well you could play. 350 00:40:10,491 --> 00:40:14,202 Our limitations as musicians were ultimately not gonna be a problem. 351 00:40:15,704 --> 00:40:17,914 I was like, "I can do that." 352 00:40:24,839 --> 00:40:26,506 Total commitment, 353 00:40:26,924 --> 00:40:31,261 getting across what you wanted to say in as straightforward a way as possible. 354 00:40:31,345 --> 00:40:34,180 I started inventing chords to get that sound, 355 00:40:34,265 --> 00:40:35,723 that kind of ringing sound. 356 00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:38,059 Most people play E like this. 357 00:40:39,186 --> 00:40:44,315 Full of a sort of rich, complex tone, 358 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,612 which is a combination of all the major elements of the chord. 359 00:40:49,697 --> 00:40:52,866 I always wanted to simplify it and make it more pure, 360 00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:57,954 and so I found ways of playing those chords where I'd eliminate certain notes. 361 00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:04,043 So there's a more clear sound. 362 00:41:04,211 --> 00:41:09,257 You probably hear it more... As opposed to... 363 00:41:14,305 --> 00:41:17,765 Really paring it down to the absolute bare minimum. 364 00:41:18,642 --> 00:41:21,227 When it's so simple, you can turn it up really loud 365 00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:23,563 and it's got more aggression. 366 00:41:46,337 --> 00:41:47,921 Is it right to the C? 367 00:41:48,005 --> 00:41:51,007 - No, actually, what I meant is... - It can't be. 368 00:41:51,091 --> 00:41:52,300 Yeah. 369 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,608 And then up to the hook. 370 00:42:26,293 --> 00:42:28,169 - Right. - Are you sure about that C? 371 00:42:28,295 --> 00:42:29,879 - Okay. - That sounds good, doesn't it? 372 00:42:29,964 --> 00:42:31,756 Sounds great, guys. Roaring, yeah. 373 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,216 Punk-rock nihilism. 374 00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:36,886 - There's a bit of the punk rock in this man. - I think there's some punk left in there. 375 00:42:50,526 --> 00:42:52,694 Distortion, anger, 376 00:42:54,238 --> 00:42:55,989 the punk ideal. 377 00:42:56,824 --> 00:43:00,326 Guys or someone maybe who got picked on, like a lot of us did, in high school. 378 00:43:00,411 --> 00:43:03,496 This is our chance to, you know, push you down now. 379 00:43:12,047 --> 00:43:16,009 Southwest Detroit, a tough town. 380 00:43:17,011 --> 00:43:19,679 It puts up with a lot and keeps going. 381 00:43:24,768 --> 00:43:28,938 There was very few white families left in the '80s. 382 00:43:30,441 --> 00:43:31,733 My family had a stiff upper lip. 383 00:43:31,859 --> 00:43:35,695 Well, we're not leaving. We're not running away like everybody else. 384 00:43:39,033 --> 00:43:42,910 I lived in an all-Mexican neighborhood. Mexican Town, it's called. 385 00:43:43,037 --> 00:43:45,204 It was uncool to play guitar. 386 00:43:45,289 --> 00:43:46,664 To play an instrument was 387 00:43:46,749 --> 00:43:49,584 the most embarrassing thing you could probably make up. 388 00:43:50,753 --> 00:43:54,297 But hip hop and house music, that's what everyone wanted to hear. 389 00:43:54,381 --> 00:43:57,091 DJs and rappers. 390 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,888 It was very uncool to actually play an instrument. 391 00:44:02,598 --> 00:44:05,808 There was no record store, no guitar shop. 392 00:44:08,562 --> 00:44:11,397 Nobody liked rock 'n' roll or blues music. 393 00:44:31,251 --> 00:44:35,338 By the time I'm 15, I'm playing more and I'm pretty reasonably accomplished. 394 00:44:38,759 --> 00:44:42,929 Pop music was rubbish, so we weren't gonna be playing that. 395 00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:52,939 Playing blues music, music of the Chess catalog, 396 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,441 not going with the flow. 397 00:44:58,112 --> 00:45:02,115 Planning winter gigs, coming out hot, getting in the back of the van. 398 00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:04,283 There's not proper heating in the van. 399 00:45:05,285 --> 00:45:07,954 I thought, "This is getting really tiresome." 400 00:45:09,373 --> 00:45:12,291 Sleeping on the equipment in the back of the van, 401 00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:14,377 driving to the next gig. 402 00:45:15,796 --> 00:45:20,383 Getting ill, heavy bouts of influenza. 403 00:45:21,969 --> 00:45:25,263 I just thought, it's like beating your head against a wall here. 404 00:45:25,347 --> 00:45:27,473 And I figured that it was... 405 00:45:27,558 --> 00:45:31,644 Best thing to do at that point was actually retire. 406 00:45:37,693 --> 00:45:39,652 So I went to art college. 407 00:45:40,904 --> 00:45:43,990 Just as much as I wanted to play guitar, 408 00:45:44,742 --> 00:45:46,993 I also wanted to be an artist. 409 00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:51,914 It had always been something in me. 410 00:45:53,834 --> 00:45:58,087 I wanted to know the techniques of oil painting, life drawing, 411 00:45:58,672 --> 00:46:01,424 graphic design, sculpture 412 00:46:03,552 --> 00:46:06,095 and the techniques used by the old masters. 413 00:46:19,026 --> 00:46:22,195 You know, I apprenticed out to a lot of people when I was younger. 414 00:46:24,198 --> 00:46:28,117 I was an apprentice in an upholstery shop when I was a teenager. 415 00:46:30,954 --> 00:46:33,080 Brian Muldoon was the master of the upholstery shop 416 00:46:33,207 --> 00:46:35,833 and he was the one teaching me, and he played drums. 417 00:46:35,918 --> 00:46:38,252 Well, I guess I'll play guitar then. 418 00:46:38,587 --> 00:46:40,463 So when we were done with our workday 419 00:46:40,547 --> 00:46:44,717 we'd move the couches over, and set up and play in the shop. 420 00:46:48,806 --> 00:46:53,392 Surf and rockabilly, Dick Dale, and trying to absorb everything. 421 00:46:54,895 --> 00:46:56,020 He'd pick me up from school. 422 00:46:56,104 --> 00:46:57,772 I'd start tearing down the furniture, 423 00:46:57,898 --> 00:47:00,858 ripping off fabric and cotton off of old chairs, 424 00:47:00,943 --> 00:47:03,611 gluing fabric to foam on weird curves, 425 00:47:04,738 --> 00:47:06,697 tearing off all of the old fabric. 426 00:47:06,782 --> 00:47:09,200 You can imagine all the stuff that's inside of a couch. 427 00:47:09,284 --> 00:47:12,578 M&M'S, cereal, and babies' toys. 428 00:47:16,917 --> 00:47:18,960 Here's how you sew a welt cord, 429 00:47:19,086 --> 00:47:22,505 or here's how you sew a fly strip on the back of a decking. 430 00:47:22,589 --> 00:47:24,632 He exposed me to punk music. 431 00:47:24,758 --> 00:47:27,134 The Velvet Underground, The Cramps. 432 00:47:27,261 --> 00:47:31,305 Really took me under his wing to be an employee and to play music together. 433 00:47:32,558 --> 00:47:35,935 And then I started writing songs. We kind of became a band. 434 00:47:36,353 --> 00:47:39,355 We got to put out a record and we called it The Upholsterers. 435 00:47:41,275 --> 00:47:44,443 So, this song is Froggy Went a-Courting, 436 00:47:44,528 --> 00:47:47,154 you know, the folk song, Froggy Went a-Courting. 437 00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:51,659 But I'd never heard it like this before though. 438 00:47:54,705 --> 00:47:57,206 I was really into the drummer first off, I... 439 00:47:58,959 --> 00:48:00,209 Oh, yeah. 440 00:48:04,381 --> 00:48:06,674 And this right here, it blew my mind here. 441 00:48:20,981 --> 00:48:24,525 The Flat Duo Jets, two-piece band from North Carolina. 442 00:48:25,235 --> 00:48:28,362 Guitar, drums and vocals, just like me and Meg. 443 00:48:33,368 --> 00:48:36,621 I went and saw him play and I was blown away. 444 00:48:38,290 --> 00:48:40,708 There was nothing on stage. There was nothing there. 445 00:48:40,792 --> 00:48:44,337 He was using a little 10-watt amp and Silvertone guitar. 446 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,683 Headed in, what I would have thought at the time, backwards direction. 447 00:49:04,816 --> 00:49:09,028 I had to reassess what backwards meant in my mind. 448 00:49:12,574 --> 00:49:15,826 That opened up a whole new inspiration for me about the guitar. 449 00:49:24,252 --> 00:49:26,837 I started to leave the drums alone a little bit. 450 00:49:35,681 --> 00:49:38,140 The first guitar I ever bought. 451 00:49:38,266 --> 00:49:40,601 This was, you know, brand-new when I bought it. 452 00:49:40,686 --> 00:49:42,019 It's just been with me ever since. 453 00:49:42,104 --> 00:49:46,023 And when we recorded our first album with Steve Lillywhite, 454 00:49:46,108 --> 00:49:49,193 we were in the studio in Dublin and we did the backing tracks. 455 00:49:49,277 --> 00:49:53,531 And he said, "You know, let's do some overdubs with a different guitar." 456 00:49:53,615 --> 00:49:55,783 I said, "What do you mean? 457 00:49:55,867 --> 00:50:01,831 "We only have one guitar. This is the only guitar we own in the band." 458 00:50:16,638 --> 00:50:20,599 I was 17, I think, the summer of '78. 459 00:50:23,812 --> 00:50:26,522 And my family actually were in New York. 460 00:50:27,899 --> 00:50:29,567 It was like walking into a movie for me. 461 00:50:29,651 --> 00:50:32,987 I mean, I remember, not only did they speak like they did in the movies, 462 00:50:33,071 --> 00:50:35,489 but the cars looked like they did in the movies. 463 00:50:36,158 --> 00:50:39,952 That's actually how people spoke. That's actually what the place looked like. 464 00:50:48,879 --> 00:50:50,504 It's a burden when you have a truck or a van, 465 00:50:50,589 --> 00:50:53,549 because everybody you know wants you to move their stuff for them, you know. 466 00:50:53,633 --> 00:50:55,301 So every time you get a phone call, 467 00:50:55,385 --> 00:50:59,388 you're like, "Yeah, I'll come help you move your stove or your safe." 468 00:51:05,604 --> 00:51:08,522 I helped my brother move a refrigerator. 469 00:51:09,566 --> 00:51:13,819 Him and his wife started managing a St. Vincent de Paul store. 470 00:51:15,072 --> 00:51:18,657 It's like a Salvation Army kind of store in Detroit. 471 00:51:19,743 --> 00:51:22,578 So I helped him move a refrigerator there. 472 00:51:28,627 --> 00:51:31,712 The sunburst. Tobacco sunburst. 473 00:51:32,631 --> 00:51:36,342 My first electric. Just tremendous. 474 00:51:36,426 --> 00:51:38,719 Just couldn't believe it when I actually got it home, 475 00:51:38,804 --> 00:51:41,013 and there it was in the house. 476 00:51:42,933 --> 00:51:44,225 Fantastic. 477 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,482 This was the one. This was the one that I was after. 478 00:51:53,777 --> 00:51:57,905 I went around to the stores on the street 479 00:51:58,031 --> 00:52:01,117 and found Stuyvesant Guitars. 480 00:52:04,496 --> 00:52:06,956 Guitars everywhere, people everywhere. 481 00:52:10,252 --> 00:52:11,919 This instrument was just there, calling out to me. 482 00:52:16,091 --> 00:52:17,591 This Explorer. 483 00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:25,432 I was really starting to go on my way then. 484 00:52:26,101 --> 00:52:31,438 My technique started to improve. It became like a total addiction, 485 00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:36,193 to the point where actually I was now starting to take it to school. 486 00:52:36,278 --> 00:52:39,697 And I'd be practicing during the recess breaks. 487 00:52:40,824 --> 00:52:44,118 And then it got to the point where the guitar was confiscated. 488 00:52:44,202 --> 00:52:47,913 They thought it was going to be counterculture or something. 489 00:52:48,206 --> 00:52:50,708 It wasn't doing any harm to anybody. 490 00:52:52,210 --> 00:52:53,961 Not then, it wasn't. 491 00:52:55,964 --> 00:52:59,133 So, when I helped him move the refrigerator, he said, 492 00:52:59,217 --> 00:53:01,302 "Well, how about taking this guitar for payment? 493 00:53:01,386 --> 00:53:03,429 "Thanks for helping us," you know. 494 00:53:03,555 --> 00:53:06,265 And I loved it so much I couldn't believe it. 495 00:53:09,144 --> 00:53:12,062 I was like, "Whoa, man, that was worth it." 496 00:53:25,827 --> 00:53:29,330 I plugged it into an amp in the room and just could tell. 497 00:53:29,414 --> 00:53:31,999 This was the kind of guitar that had possibilities. 498 00:53:32,083 --> 00:53:34,376 There were songs in this guitar. 499 00:53:35,962 --> 00:53:39,924 Twenty minutes in this store just defined the sound of the band. 500 00:53:41,301 --> 00:53:42,635 This better work out. 501 00:54:31,226 --> 00:54:35,145 I had ideas about modifying or kind of designing my own guitar. 502 00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:37,731 I liked the body shape of this one. 503 00:54:37,816 --> 00:54:40,901 I was trying to customize one of these Gretsch guitars for The Raconteurs. 504 00:54:48,576 --> 00:54:51,161 When people take a guitar that's known for a certain sound 505 00:54:51,246 --> 00:54:53,247 and throw it into a whole different context, 506 00:54:55,583 --> 00:54:56,709 something interesting happens. 507 00:55:23,653 --> 00:55:27,114 Knowing that there was a threshold, to volume, 508 00:55:27,198 --> 00:55:29,408 I wanted to get more sustain out of things. 509 00:55:30,785 --> 00:55:33,871 I bumped into this chap, Roger Mayer, 510 00:55:34,456 --> 00:55:37,916 and all he told people was he worked at the Admiralty. 511 00:55:39,127 --> 00:55:40,919 Did I have any ideas? 512 00:56:06,488 --> 00:56:10,991 I had this record at home of a guitar that had a lot of sustain on it. 513 00:56:11,076 --> 00:56:13,994 And I got him to come around and have a listen to it. 514 00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:15,662 I said, "Can you get that?" 515 00:56:16,456 --> 00:56:20,042 And he went away and came back with this phenomenal thing. 516 00:56:23,421 --> 00:56:26,673 A distortion pedal which overloads the signal, 517 00:56:30,678 --> 00:56:35,391 overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude. 518 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,257 This is what I'm actually playing. 519 00:57:15,056 --> 00:57:19,017 That's it. The rest is the foot pedal, the effects, the whole thing. 520 00:57:19,102 --> 00:57:20,561 You know, so if you're on an acoustic, trying to say, 521 00:57:20,645 --> 00:57:23,814 "Here's my new riff. It's a really cool riff. Listen." 522 00:57:34,284 --> 00:57:35,701 Oh, my Lord. 523 00:57:37,454 --> 00:57:38,537 Wow. 524 00:57:39,831 --> 00:57:43,417 That's impressive. That's great. 525 00:57:44,586 --> 00:57:48,505 It was a single cutaway, and I had this brilliant luthier 526 00:57:48,590 --> 00:57:50,382 in Seattle, Randy Parsons. 527 00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:52,801 And he made it a double cutaway for me. 528 00:57:52,886 --> 00:57:55,762 And then I said, "Well, listen, I have an idea. 529 00:57:55,847 --> 00:57:57,556 "Can you just... Can you put a silver... 530 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,767 "A Green Bullet harmonica mic on the guitar, 531 00:58:00,852 --> 00:58:02,644 "so I can just take it out, and right there?" 532 00:58:28,505 --> 00:58:32,299 I got this echo unit and I brought it back to rehearsal, 533 00:58:32,383 --> 00:58:37,471 and just got totally into playing, but listening to the return echo 534 00:58:40,141 --> 00:58:45,938 filling in notes that I'm not playing, like two guitar players rather than one. 535 00:58:50,860 --> 00:58:54,988 The exact same thing, but it's just a little bit off to one side. 536 00:58:56,324 --> 00:58:59,618 I could see ways to use it that had never been used. 537 00:59:00,495 --> 00:59:02,621 Suddenly everything changed. 538 00:59:10,547 --> 00:59:11,755 So, Jimmy, what... 539 00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:14,883 You know, those early songs that you played on in the studio, 540 00:59:14,968 --> 00:59:16,510 - what did you actually play on? - Yeah. 541 00:59:16,594 --> 00:59:18,345 I mean, that I would have heard, 542 00:59:18,429 --> 00:59:22,391 - like, there's all these legends about... - Well, sometimes you could hear what I did, 543 00:59:22,475 --> 00:59:24,685 and other times, you couldn't hear what I did. 544 00:59:24,769 --> 00:59:26,895 But, I mean, I was on Goldfinger. 545 00:59:26,980 --> 00:59:28,063 That was fantastic. 546 00:59:28,147 --> 00:59:31,733 Yeah. She did one take and collapsed at the end of it. 547 00:59:31,818 --> 00:59:35,028 But, you know, it was huge, huge big orchestra in the EMI number one, 548 00:59:35,113 --> 00:59:36,863 which was a massive, great studio, you know. 549 00:59:36,948 --> 00:59:39,074 They did a lot of film stuff in there. 550 00:59:39,158 --> 00:59:42,327 - And, like, The Kinks stuff? - I did some Kinks stuff. 551 00:59:42,412 --> 00:59:43,829 - Really? - Yeah. I didn't... 552 00:59:43,997 --> 00:59:46,498 I mean, you know, it all got out of hand, you know, about what I had done 553 00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:49,459 - and what I hadn't done. - Really, it became, like, the stuff of legend. 554 00:59:49,544 --> 00:59:52,337 You know, before you knew what it was, you'd done everything. 555 01:00:01,222 --> 01:00:06,685 I was filling in, in an interval band at a club called The Marquee Club, 556 01:00:07,812 --> 01:00:09,938 playing on Thursday evening. 557 01:00:14,694 --> 01:00:18,864 And somebody asked me, said, "Would you like to play on the record?" 558 01:00:26,414 --> 01:00:30,667 The record just bubbled in on the lower end of the Top 20. 559 01:00:32,211 --> 01:00:34,212 Then it moved so quickly. 560 01:00:35,632 --> 01:00:39,509 The invitations to do more records were so frequent after that. 561 01:00:44,891 --> 01:00:49,895 An apprenticeship, going into recording studios. 562 01:00:53,816 --> 01:00:55,901 "Can you put a riff to this?" 563 01:00:56,235 --> 01:01:00,906 A song with all its parts, the verses, the choruses, the middle eights. 564 01:01:00,990 --> 01:01:03,492 Feel free to add light detail on it. 565 01:01:05,036 --> 01:01:08,580 The musical notation, you needed to be right on top of it. 566 01:01:14,962 --> 01:01:17,547 I could put on all these different hats. 567 01:01:17,632 --> 01:01:21,760 Film music or a jingle. "Well done, Jimmy, that's great." 568 01:02:01,634 --> 01:02:06,012 By the time I was about 18, somebody played me Son House. 569 01:02:07,306 --> 01:02:08,390 That was it for me. 570 01:02:14,772 --> 01:02:18,233 This spoke to me in 1,000 different ways. 571 01:02:18,317 --> 01:02:22,154 I didn't know that you could do that. 572 01:02:22,238 --> 01:02:24,156 Just singing and clapping. 573 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,742 And it meant everything. It meant everything about rock 'n' roll, 574 01:02:26,826 --> 01:02:30,454 everything about expression and creativity and art. 575 01:02:31,164 --> 01:02:34,916 One man against the world in one song. 576 01:02:55,104 --> 01:02:58,190 That's my favorite song. Still is. 577 01:02:58,691 --> 01:03:01,902 It became my favorite song the first time I heard it and it still is. 578 01:03:02,779 --> 01:03:05,113 I heard everything disappearing. 579 01:03:08,367 --> 01:03:10,243 It didn't matter that he was clapping off time. 580 01:03:10,328 --> 01:03:14,039 It didn't matter that there was no instruments being played. 581 01:03:15,458 --> 01:03:18,543 All that mattered was the attitude of the song. 582 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,598 Jumping off into the unknown. 583 01:03:36,229 --> 01:03:40,982 Hope and have faith that the next chord or the next few notes will come to you. 584 01:03:44,737 --> 01:03:47,072 On occasions, you get nothing 585 01:03:47,156 --> 01:03:50,158 and you come out feeling like a complete idiot 586 01:03:50,243 --> 01:03:51,535 and that you don't know anything, 587 01:03:51,619 --> 01:03:55,455 and you can't play guitar and you can't write songs. 588 01:04:14,225 --> 01:04:19,563 There's this little house on the coast of an area outside Dublin, called Howth. 589 01:04:26,904 --> 01:04:30,031 We decided that this is where we would rehearse, 590 01:04:30,116 --> 01:04:33,034 leading up to the recording of the War album. 591 01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,673 There have been bombs here before, but nothing of the scale of yesterday's. 592 01:04:47,216 --> 01:04:50,302 And as the full implications of the number of dead and injured 593 01:04:50,386 --> 01:04:53,138 and the destruction to property became apparent, 594 01:04:53,222 --> 01:04:57,893 it's also clear that the South now has a serious security problem of its own. 595 01:05:02,064 --> 01:05:04,608 Bombs going off on a weekly basis. 596 01:05:06,861 --> 01:05:08,820 So many lives destroyed. 597 01:05:09,989 --> 01:05:14,117 Perverted, distorted idea of freedom. 598 01:05:17,455 --> 01:05:19,164 No life was sacred. 599 01:05:33,512 --> 01:05:37,474 The crunch came. This one day I went into this session. 600 01:05:37,558 --> 01:05:40,936 I saw this big ream of paper in front of me. 601 01:05:43,981 --> 01:05:46,524 I started to get very uncomfortable. 602 01:05:49,445 --> 01:05:53,031 There was no run-through. They counted you in, and off you went. 603 01:05:57,703 --> 01:05:59,579 It literally was Muzak. 604 01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:03,625 I'm not actually creating anything. 605 01:06:03,709 --> 01:06:07,087 I'm interpreting whatever it is that's written down now. 606 01:06:07,171 --> 01:06:09,589 And I'm even doing Muzak sessions. 607 01:06:14,136 --> 01:06:15,887 Tearing my hair out. 608 01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:20,433 And I've got to get out of it. 609 01:06:31,237 --> 01:06:34,406 And I thought about it for a long time, for days. 610 01:06:35,616 --> 01:06:37,784 There's this whole new world that's just opened up in front of me 611 01:06:37,868 --> 01:06:41,413 and I have to figure out, "How do I get there? 612 01:06:41,872 --> 01:06:44,207 "Am I not allowed to get there?" 613 01:06:55,678 --> 01:06:59,597 Bono put it to me, he said, "You know, Edge, I think maybe if you 614 01:06:59,682 --> 01:07:02,267 "would do a bit of time on your own." 615 01:07:09,942 --> 01:07:12,986 I remember feeling, "Well, can I write? 616 01:07:15,614 --> 01:07:19,034 "You know, am I a writer, or am I just a guitarist?" 617 01:07:24,123 --> 01:07:26,958 This is it. This is the day of departure. 618 01:07:28,127 --> 01:07:32,213 I wanted to get out there, and I had a lot that I really wanted to do. 619 01:07:48,689 --> 01:07:53,276 The minute that I was in The Yardbirds, that bow was out immediately. 620 01:07:58,157 --> 01:08:01,868 I shed this coat off of me, and then I wanted to try everything 621 01:08:01,952 --> 01:08:04,329 that was breaking rules. I wanted to do things that sped up. 622 01:08:04,413 --> 01:08:07,791 I wanted to do things that were like playing a bow and hurting people's ears. 623 01:08:14,381 --> 01:08:17,675 I started to look for ways to get away with it 624 01:08:18,344 --> 01:08:21,304 and not be some sort of white-boy blues band. 625 01:08:22,223 --> 01:08:24,849 And we went and played open-mic night. 626 01:08:27,228 --> 01:08:28,686 We were kind of in our own little world. 627 01:08:31,524 --> 01:08:33,149 Meg didn't really want to do it. 628 01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:36,653 I was pushing her. 629 01:08:36,737 --> 01:08:38,530 If I put her behind the drums, 630 01:08:38,614 --> 01:08:41,366 then, you know, maybe something interesting will happen. 631 01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:44,994 She just played like a little caveman and a little child. 632 01:08:46,664 --> 01:08:49,499 We started to form everything around Meg. 633 01:08:50,251 --> 01:08:52,752 We saw a bag of peppermint candies. 634 01:08:53,129 --> 01:08:54,879 I said, "Well, that should be on your bass drum. 635 01:08:54,964 --> 01:08:58,007 "We should paint that on your bass drum." 636 01:08:58,467 --> 01:09:01,177 By this time, I had found a red guitar. 637 01:09:03,597 --> 01:09:10,353 This red guitar and the peppermint candy dictated the aesthetic of the band. 638 01:09:14,358 --> 01:09:18,027 White Stripes became the big way to get away with it. 639 01:09:18,654 --> 01:09:22,907 By having a brother-and-sister band that was, you know... 640 01:09:22,992 --> 01:09:25,285 Red, white and black was the complete aesthetic. 641 01:09:25,369 --> 01:09:26,953 And it was childish, and we're presenting ourselves 642 01:09:27,037 --> 01:09:29,205 in a real childish manner, almost like cartoon characters. 643 01:09:29,290 --> 01:09:31,291 And a lot of distractions to keep people away 644 01:09:31,375 --> 01:09:33,084 from what was really going on, 645 01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:36,546 which was, we were just really trying to play this, you know. 646 01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:38,548 You know, still are, so... 647 01:10:44,949 --> 01:10:46,783 I would just go to D with it sort of in a blues way, 648 01:10:46,867 --> 01:10:49,410 and I was just singing a Son House lyric. 649 01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,043 And then we go to D, then... 650 01:11:09,431 --> 01:11:12,016 Floating around blues structures. 651 01:11:26,991 --> 01:11:29,158 Did the press understand what you were doing? 652 01:11:29,243 --> 01:11:31,160 No, I don't think they did. 653 01:11:31,245 --> 01:11:33,830 I didn't think they had a clue what we were doing, 654 01:11:33,914 --> 01:11:38,710 as each album changed in its sort of concept and variety. 655 01:11:48,512 --> 01:11:50,555 The reviews were terrible. 656 01:11:50,848 --> 01:11:53,683 They didn't understand what we were doing. 657 01:11:54,685 --> 01:11:58,771 They gave the fourth album a one-paragraph review. 658 01:11:59,857 --> 01:12:02,233 Now, there's a lot of material on that. 659 01:12:02,318 --> 01:12:06,195 Black Dog, there's Levee Breaks, there's Stairway to Heaven. 660 01:12:07,197 --> 01:12:08,698 One paragraph. 661 01:12:28,218 --> 01:12:30,887 They didn't have a clue what was going on. 662 01:12:32,222 --> 01:12:35,558 I just didn't even bother to read music papers after that. 663 01:12:41,190 --> 01:12:43,274 This car bomb has gone off. 664 01:12:44,443 --> 01:12:48,654 This bar has been raked with machine gun fire. 665 01:12:55,079 --> 01:12:58,581 Total disregard for human life. 666 01:13:08,634 --> 01:13:10,927 We're not buying into this. 667 01:13:16,767 --> 01:13:19,102 I just remember being in a rage. 668 01:13:28,112 --> 01:13:31,989 When you go past a managed forest, 669 01:13:34,118 --> 01:13:37,078 you see a mass of tree trunks. 670 01:13:44,962 --> 01:13:49,799 Then, at a certain point, you look again, and you realize they're all in perfect rows. 671 01:13:53,095 --> 01:13:54,303 Clarity. 672 01:13:58,350 --> 01:14:00,017 Clarity of vision. 673 01:14:03,355 --> 01:14:07,692 What you've been looking at from the wrong angle and not seeing at all. 674 01:14:10,487 --> 01:14:11,821 You labor. 675 01:14:12,656 --> 01:14:15,992 You sweat to see 676 01:14:16,076 --> 01:14:19,620 what you couldn't have seen from that other perspective. 677 01:14:22,875 --> 01:14:26,169 I just remember just scrambling to try and put it down 678 01:14:26,253 --> 01:14:29,005 before that moment passes and fades. 679 01:14:39,433 --> 01:14:43,769 And picking up the guitar and that's what I came out with. 680 01:16:33,130 --> 01:16:37,883 You know, I come in here and sometimes it's just not a great day, 681 01:16:37,968 --> 01:16:42,638 but there's always gonna be something if you just keep going. 682 01:16:47,561 --> 01:16:51,147 If you don't have a struggle already inside of you or around you, 683 01:16:51,231 --> 01:16:53,190 you have to make one up. 684 01:16:54,276 --> 01:16:56,777 These little things during the day. 685 01:16:58,238 --> 01:16:59,822 Extreme feelings. 686 01:17:00,157 --> 01:17:01,991 Something that made you angry or something that made you 687 01:17:02,075 --> 01:17:03,826 upset orjealous. 688 01:17:54,586 --> 01:17:57,713 You wrote the essence ofStairway to Heaven before you got here. 689 01:17:57,798 --> 01:17:59,674 - Yes, I had... - What is your process 690 01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,676 when you write a song? 691 01:18:04,054 --> 01:18:06,263 I can't tell you what the process is. 692 01:18:06,348 --> 01:18:12,436 It changes from one thing to another, but it usually comes just from... 693 01:18:12,521 --> 01:18:14,313 For anybody who's writing or, 694 01:18:14,398 --> 01:18:17,817 you know, whether they're writing written word or music or whatever, 695 01:18:17,901 --> 01:18:21,070 it just comes from the creative spark, really. 696 01:18:21,655 --> 01:18:22,822 It's all very spontaneous, 697 01:18:22,906 --> 01:18:26,951 but, you see, the whole reason for being here was for that. 698 01:18:40,632 --> 01:18:44,593 The double neck came as a result of Stairway. 699 01:18:44,845 --> 01:18:46,804 Stairwaywas done on the acoustic, 700 01:18:46,888 --> 01:18:51,350 with all these electric guitar string parts on it that build it up. 701 01:18:51,435 --> 01:18:53,561 I thought to myself, "How am I going to do this on stage?" 702 01:18:53,645 --> 01:18:58,941 So, it became a necessity relative to the song, if you like. 703 01:18:59,025 --> 01:19:02,194 'Cause then you could do the six-string part, 704 01:19:02,279 --> 01:19:05,364 the acoustic part, electric, of course, but the solo on this, 705 01:19:05,449 --> 01:19:07,491 - and do the rest of it on the 12. - Right. Yeah. 706 01:19:21,173 --> 01:19:25,217 Being a studio musician, you certainly don't speed up. 707 01:19:25,761 --> 01:19:30,473 One of the things that I really wanted to do straightaway was crescendo and speed. 708 01:19:47,324 --> 01:19:49,200 I liked this idea of movement. 709 01:19:59,878 --> 01:20:01,921 Pulse, push. 710 01:20:02,547 --> 01:20:05,883 Rise and fall in its intensity, in its power. 711 01:20:07,803 --> 01:20:09,845 Light and shade. 712 01:20:09,930 --> 01:20:12,515 Wouldn't I want to be employing that? 713 01:20:31,576 --> 01:20:34,161 That was something that was gonna keep increasing, 714 01:20:34,246 --> 01:20:38,165 building, accelerating, from the beginning to the very end, 715 01:20:38,708 --> 01:20:40,251 like an orgasm. 716 01:21:44,566 --> 01:21:48,235 Every night that we went on stage, it was living. 717 01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:51,822 Totally living at every point. 718 01:21:54,826 --> 01:21:59,163 The spark had become the flame and the flame was burning really bright. 719 01:23:18,743 --> 01:23:20,077 That's it. 720 01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:52,443 There's a total concentration on music and creativity and writing. 721 01:23:58,158 --> 01:24:00,075 Pushing the boundaries. 722 01:24:01,786 --> 01:24:03,787 Looking over the horizon. 723 01:24:05,957 --> 01:24:10,169 Musicians that were absolutely on top of their game. 724 01:27:08,723 --> 01:27:09,890 Great! 725 01:27:10,516 --> 01:27:11,642 Nice. 726 01:27:16,022 --> 01:27:17,648 Nice. That's it. 727 01:27:29,869 --> 01:27:32,371 You're supposed to join the family. 728 01:27:33,915 --> 01:27:36,583 You're supposed to become part of it. 729 01:27:36,668 --> 01:27:38,794 That family of storytellers. 730 01:27:52,183 --> 01:27:56,853 When it goes down into that break bit. It's, yeah... It's G. Yeah. 731 01:27:57,438 --> 01:28:00,190 - D, C, C, G. - Okay. Yeah. 732 01:28:00,275 --> 01:28:01,692 G, B minor? 733 01:28:01,818 --> 01:28:04,027 - G, D, C, it's the... - Right here. I see. Yeah, okay. 734 01:28:04,112 --> 01:28:06,029 The biggest thrill is creating something 735 01:28:06,114 --> 01:28:09,241 that has the power to really connect with people. 736 01:28:09,951 --> 01:28:12,577 That's why I took up the guitar in the first place. 737 01:28:12,662 --> 01:28:15,831 What's the note here for the vocal? For me, if I do it lower. 738 01:28:19,085 --> 01:28:20,168 Oh, that. 739 01:28:21,713 --> 01:28:23,672 I can do the high, but... 740 01:28:25,466 --> 01:28:26,967 Afraid I can't hit it. 741 01:28:27,969 --> 01:28:30,971 - I can't sing. I'm hopeless. Yeah. - Really high ones, isn't it? 742 01:28:31,055 --> 01:28:34,891 Whether I took it on, or it took me on, I don't know. 743 01:28:35,393 --> 01:28:37,269 The jury's out on that. 744 01:28:37,603 --> 01:28:39,229 But I don't care. 745 01:28:40,398 --> 01:28:43,442 I just really, really enjoyed it. That's it. 746 01:28:49,073 --> 01:28:53,327 I just noticed, I've been playing the wrong second chord in the verse. 747 01:28:53,411 --> 01:28:56,079 - Have you? - It's a B minor, actually, not an E minor. 748 01:28:58,416 --> 01:29:00,834 - Shit. - Yeah, that's better. 749 01:29:00,918 --> 01:29:03,420 For me, it was a much bigger world. 750 01:29:03,629 --> 01:29:07,007 I had a voracious appetite for everything. All of it. 751 01:29:22,523 --> 01:29:24,691 Music keeps progressing and moving on 752 01:29:24,776 --> 01:29:26,943 and people come up with new ideas and new tricks 753 01:29:27,111 --> 01:29:30,155 and new ways to tell the same story in a different way. 754 01:29:47,173 --> 01:29:49,341 We're all doing the same thing, 755 01:29:49,467 --> 01:29:51,718 attempting to share something with another human being. 756 01:30:16,661 --> 01:30:19,996 In essence, we are effectively the same band. 757 01:30:21,249 --> 01:30:24,000 We're a little bit more complex. 758 01:30:24,085 --> 01:30:29,840 But we're really still the band that's crowded into the small little rooms, 759 01:30:30,883 --> 01:30:32,551 trying to play with each other 760 01:30:32,677 --> 01:30:36,263 and find those clues that will take us somewhere new. 761 01:30:36,347 --> 01:30:39,599 Now, exactly where this note was I have no memory. 762 01:30:39,684 --> 01:30:41,226 But this is where it was put. 763 01:30:47,567 --> 01:30:51,236 I loved this whole idea of, you know, getting a band together. 764 01:30:51,362 --> 01:30:53,655 So I was definitely gonna do something. 765 01:30:53,739 --> 01:30:57,492 But if Larry had not put the message up, I would have been in some other band. 766 01:30:57,577 --> 01:30:59,911 I don't know. It wouldn't have been U2. 767 01:31:00,037 --> 01:31:04,040 God knows who it would have been. And if, you know, would I 768 01:31:05,126 --> 01:31:07,127 be doing what I am now? Probably not. 769 01:31:11,632 --> 01:31:14,050 I mean, I could be doing anything. 770 01:31:16,387 --> 01:31:20,432 I'd be, I don't know, working in a bank somewhere or something. 771 01:31:38,784 --> 01:31:41,411 The day when you pick up a guitar 772 01:31:41,496 --> 01:31:44,372 and there's nothing coming through whatsoever. 773 01:31:44,457 --> 01:31:47,000 There's no new pieces, no new ideas. 774 01:31:49,587 --> 01:31:53,089 And that's the sort of gift that any creative person has. 775 01:31:53,674 --> 01:31:57,511 There's always that point that that might happen to you. 776 01:31:58,596 --> 01:32:01,806 Or you're too old to be able to pick the guitar up. 777 01:32:02,767 --> 01:32:07,270 And we're just trying to keep that day far, far away and out of sight. 778 01:33:06,330 --> 01:33:10,166 This one's called Claudette. After the actress Claudette Colbert. 779 01:33:10,376 --> 01:33:12,168 My tattoo artist did all this for me. 780 01:33:12,253 --> 01:33:16,423 He's really good at doing this on people, so we figured he'd be doing it with... 781 01:33:16,507 --> 01:33:19,843 I bought him a wood burning tool, so he could burn her face on the side of it. 782 01:33:19,927 --> 01:33:22,345 I made the pick guard, so it looks like a brunette. 783 01:33:46,078 --> 01:33:48,288 And you come out and bring your amp out here all the time? 784 01:33:48,372 --> 01:33:49,873 Yeah. Yeah. 785 01:33:50,458 --> 01:33:55,545 It's my thing. You know, I like to get out here in the elements and rock out. 786 01:33:56,756 --> 01:33:58,632 Yeah, with the islands. 787 01:33:58,716 --> 01:34:04,095 The islands I always find very inspiring for those long echo, delayed sounds. 788 01:34:18,110 --> 01:34:20,070 It's an actual theremin. 789 01:34:30,748 --> 01:34:33,500 It hasn't got six strings, but it's a lot of fun. 790 01:35:02,113 --> 01:35:04,406 I notice you have a picture of the Fab Four. 791 01:35:04,490 --> 01:35:08,284 It's actually not so much reverence for The Beatles. 792 01:35:08,369 --> 01:35:11,871 It's a kind of haircut reference for the crew. 793 01:35:28,973 --> 01:35:32,809 We almost had an accident with a suit and a cell phone. 794 01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:37,397 He was probably right in the middle of saying the words "totally organic." 795 01:35:53,581 --> 01:35:58,042 Look at that. Somebody's put the lyrics to Glad to See You Go on their locker. 796 01:35:58,169 --> 01:36:00,003 What a coincidence. Okay. 797 01:36:00,671 --> 01:36:02,380 We used to play this song. 63995

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