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Man, you know,
who says you need to buy a guitar?
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It's like a piece of sculpture.
Wonderful span of wood varnish.
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The whole aroma of it.
Like a woman, you know?
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You can caress it like a woman.
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Every element, the wood, the finish,
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and all the different aspects
are there in the sound.
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Electric conveys, like, amplification, energy.
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It's all part and parcel of who I am,
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is playing the electric guitar
and bonding with it.
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It's gonna be very interesting.
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It's gonna be very interesting
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because both are really, really strong
character guitarists.
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Both White Stripes and Zeppelin
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were able to do something
that was their own, was unique,
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and had never been done before.
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When the three of us get together,
what's gonna happen?
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Probably a fistfight.
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There's a lot of soul in this guitar.
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When Jack plays it, it just goes wild.
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This is Edge's main... His main enchilada.
This is the brain of the system.
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It's going to be interesting to see him
layering his effects.
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He's known to be a sort of sonic architect.
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I plan to trick both of these guys.
That's basically what I'm gonna do.
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Trick them into teaching me all their tricks.
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We're going there to have a chat.
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But it just so happens that the instruments
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are sort of there as well, so who knows?
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- What's this, Edge?
- It's a little... It's a form of yoga.
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It actually was devised in Wales.
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It's called Daboke.
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Are you...
What's the BlackBerry to do with it?
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It's just a little adaptation I've made
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just to make better use of time.
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Does Sting do this?
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He doesn't do Daboke,
he does some other kind of yoga.
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I'm very interested in what hardware can do
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to an electric guitar sound.
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I love effects units.
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They've always pushed music forward.
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When he pushes a button...
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Let's say that button addresses that unit,
you know?
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This button addresses that unit.
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And it's very rarely
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that he will use the same sound
ever again in 20, 23 songs.
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The guitars are set per song
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with their output levels.
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They're dedicated for that song
and that guitar level is...
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He sets his effects to receive
that guitar level in a particular way.
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I drive everyone crazy.
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I drive myself totally crazy,
trying to get the sound
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that I can hear in my head
to come out of the speakers.
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It's my voice, that is my voice,
what's coming out of the speaker.
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That'd be wicked.
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Take out the TC.
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Technology is a big destroyer
of emotion and truth.
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Opportunity doesn't do
anything for creativity.
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Yeah, it makes it easier,
and you can get home sooner,
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but it doesn't make you
a more creative person.
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That's the disease you have to fight
in any creative field.
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Ease of use.
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All right, sing it.
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Yeah, that's it.
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By the time I'm getting into teenage years,
like, late '80s and things like that,
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I don't remember that many
rock 'n' roll bands
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being around that were that popular.
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Things were changing so much in music.
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The technology was taking over so much.
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Technology was
heavily distracting everybody.
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I mean, people started spending weeks
trying to get the perfect snare drum
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and gated reverb sound.
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That's right. That's right.
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So processed, it wasn't real at all anymore.
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Just go up top.
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If you really want to get girls to pay attention
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kick that chair out like...
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Because of the amplification
and the tactile quality of it,
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you can hear the very, sort of,
characteristics of each player.
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People have just tried to stretch the limits,
come up with new techniques.
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There's always something new
that other people are bringing to the table
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that is to be reckoned with very seriously.
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Dynamics,
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light and shade,
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whisper to the thunder,
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sort of invite you in, sort of intoxicating.
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Well, the thing that fascinates me about it,
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and always has about the six strings,
no one has ever approached...
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They all play in a different way and,
you know, their personality comes through.
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During my time
as a songwriter and performer,
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I've kind of watched and felt
that I was seeing the end of the guitar
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as a kind of focus for popular music.
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And yet every time I think
it's kind of counted out,
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it flares up somewhere else.
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I keep guitars that are, you know...
The neck's a little bit bent,
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and it's a little bit out of tune,
and I want to work and battle it
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and conquer it and make it express
whatever attitude I have at that moment.
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I want it to be a struggle.
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I have no idea what these are, but...
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My early demos were real sketches.
They weren't fully fleshed out.
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That's interesting. That ended up...
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It's the music that tells us
the direction the song should go.
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As writers, we start with the feeling
and everything follows from that.
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These guitar parts ended up
in the final version,
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so this could be discovering, you know,
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those particular voicings
of the chords and what have you.
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Four, five, six.
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Bono's actually calling out the timing.
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That's funny.
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Four, five, six.
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'Cause the first section's
in a different time signature,
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so it was a little bit of a head trip
to go between the two.
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One, two, three, four, five, six. One...
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But you can count it in different ways.
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...six. One, two, three, four, five, six.
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One, two, three, four, five, six.
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Or you can go, one, two, three,
one, two, three.
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It's like a waltz beat.
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One, two, three, one, two, three,
one, two, three, one, two, three.
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When you start to treat the sound,
you start to invoke locations.
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As I'm working, I'm often thinking about,
"Where is this?"
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Where is this location?
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Wow, there was a whole science block
there when I was living here.
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That's amazing.
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We played on a kind of
flat area over there with,
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I wouldn't say a paying audience...
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We all got up here.
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Larry was back here obviously
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and I think I was on this side.
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- You were there?
- Yeah, I was this side, yeah.
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Actually, and have been ever since.
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This was where we used to rehearse.
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Now, this is really the very,
very beginning for us, you know.
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So, this was Mr. McKenzie's room,
and he was very nice to us.
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So, rehearsal was 10 minutes of clearing
away desks and chairs,
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and then an hour of
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seeing if we could get anything together.
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None of us could play at this point, really.
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For a while, we would come
and we would try and go through songs,
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and it was really bad. Like, really, really bad.
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The thrill was just being able to do it
even if you did it badly.
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Hello.
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We're always worried about being satisfied.
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When you become satisfied,
it's sort of like you just die.
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My name is Jack White, and this is my big
sister, Meg White, on the drums.
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Thank you for letting us into your home.
We really appreciate it.
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What can I do with three strings
on a guitar instead of six?
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It takes me three steps to get over
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to play the organ in the middle of this song.
Put it four steps away,
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then I'll have to run faster
and I'll push myself harder to get to it.
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Meg and I don't even talk about
what the first song's gonna be.
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We just go out and play.
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Think of something fast,
hurry up and think of something,
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because these guys want a show.
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People know when something's fake
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and they know when something's rehashed
and rehearsed.
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They know when you're telling
the same joke between songs
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that you told in Poughkeepsie last night.
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They can smell it.
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I play really old guitars, plastic guitars.
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If you want it easy
you buy a brand-new Les Paul
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or a brand-new Stratocaster.
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And this is my main guitar that I played live
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for my 10 years in the White Stripes.
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It's a hollow piece of plastic.
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And you got this
at Montgomery Ward's department store.
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Sears sold Silvertones
and Montgomery Ward sold Airlines.
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I want to show you, Jack, what the...
If you just take this and...
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Yeah, that's it. Pick a fight with it.
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That's what you gotta do.
Pick a fight with it and win the fight.
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He's learning.
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I'd like to introduce Led Zeppelin to you.
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On bass guitar, John Paul Jones.
This is John Paul Jones.
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On drums, John Bonham.
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Lead guitar, Jimmy Page.
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And myself, Robert Plant.
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We were so comfortable playing
with each other
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that we could take it in any direction.
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The four members of the band
had taken on this sort of fifth element.
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Passion, honesty and competence.
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Absolute musical heaven.
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Wow.
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Boy, oh, boy,
this brings back some memories.
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Yeah, this is... Well, come straight
into the entrance hall
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and this is the hall
where the drums were set up
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and where Levee Breaks was recorded.
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We had been recording in this room here.
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Bonzo had ordered a new drum kit.
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His tech, you know, his road manager,
had set it up in the hall.
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And when Bonzo came out,
he started playing it in this thing,
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and it was this huge expanse.
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You're getting the drums
reflecting off of the walls,
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you know,
this wonderful ambience to the drums.
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Yeah, you can hear the reflective surfaces.
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You know, it's really live and ambient.
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We had a recording truck
parked on the outside here.
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And you'd be running the wires
from their cables
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with the mic leads, running them
into the house.
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The mics were put up here
over the banisters here.
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In those days,
the drummer would be in a little booth
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so the drums were just totally,
you know, crushed.
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This was quite radical.
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After this you heard of other,
you know, drummers
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and bands looking for lift shafts
and things to record in,
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to get the height, you see.
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We'd done three albums
that were recorded in the studio.
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And this was another approach.
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As a kid, what was going on in the music
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was as important to me as what was
going on vocally and lyrically,
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and it always was.
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Just word of mouth and grapevines.
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Isolation.
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We moved house and the guitar was there,
left behind.
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It was one of these, sort of,
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weird interventions of the guitar
into our family.
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It was just like a sort of ornament
left behind at the house.
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For anyone who could play guitars,
they all played skiffle.
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That was the sort of
community project at the time.
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Played on massive guitars and washboards.
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Local cuisine.
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Very, very English. Pre-rock this is.
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We all weaned on that music.
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It was like a sort of rock 'n' roll
breastfeeding of it.
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I went to school one day
after hearing this stuff
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and seeing Lonnie Donegan
on the television.
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This guy actually had a guitar
and he was playing Rock Island Line.
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It was like, "Wow."
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And I said, "I've got one of those at home."
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And he said, "Bring it along
and I'll show you how to tune it."
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Well, that was more accessible
to be able to start to play.
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Right, you could put a band together
pretty easily.
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I mean, you could get to know one chord
and just strum it all day
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and be having a great time, you know.
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We were a little local band
and we were playing around
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school dances, and not even the slightest,
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mildest consideration
that that would go into something.
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There wasn't this driving thing,
that the minute you hit your teens,
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you gotta be famous.
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What are your two names? Yours is?
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- James Page and...
- David Houston.
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And you're just learning to play the guitar?
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- Yes, from a teacher.
- From a teacher.
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00:28:02,722 --> 00:28:04,181
Do you play anything except skiffle?
242
00:28:04,265 --> 00:28:05,599
Yes, Spanish and dance.
243
00:28:05,725 --> 00:28:07,976
Do you? What are you
gonna do when you leave school?
244
00:28:08,103 --> 00:28:09,144
Take up skiffle?
245
00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:11,772
No, I want to do, well, biological research.
246
00:28:23,243 --> 00:28:27,079
Dublin in the mid-'70s was really
economically very challenged.
247
00:28:31,793 --> 00:28:34,211
The economy was in the toilet.
248
00:28:38,633 --> 00:28:42,302
We just didn't believe
that anything could change.
249
00:28:53,481 --> 00:28:54,773
There has to be more than this.
250
00:28:54,858 --> 00:28:59,361
This is not the only thing
that is on offer here.
251
00:29:41,529 --> 00:29:43,113
You want to figure out
how you want to play guitar,
252
00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:44,948
what your niche will be.
253
00:29:45,033 --> 00:29:47,284
You just start digging deeper.
254
00:29:48,369 --> 00:29:51,330
When you're digging deeper
into rock 'n' roll,
255
00:29:51,414 --> 00:29:53,957
well, you're on a freight train
headed straight for the blues.
256
00:30:09,557 --> 00:30:13,936
1930s, really scary version of the blues.
257
00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:17,481
If you go back and listen
to some of these songs,
258
00:30:17,565 --> 00:30:22,152
I mean, you can't really believe
that they were even recorded to wax.
259
00:30:23,071 --> 00:30:25,489
Robert Johnson. Dark Was the Night.
260
00:30:25,573 --> 00:30:27,157
Blind Willie Johnson.
261
00:30:27,784 --> 00:30:30,327
"I asked her for water,
she gave me gasoline."
262
00:30:30,912 --> 00:30:34,248
Minor key, anti the establishment.
263
00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:38,335
Questioning themselves.
264
00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:40,671
Painful.
265
00:30:43,466 --> 00:30:46,677
There's a tension in that music
that you can feel.
266
00:30:47,929 --> 00:30:50,806
It just feels like there's this place where,
you know,
267
00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:54,309
my soul rests
and those guys were expressing it.
268
00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:08,365
In the Bible, God cursed the ground,
269
00:31:08,449 --> 00:31:12,119
so that the man will always be...
Will have to work hard.
270
00:31:13,454 --> 00:31:18,041
Whether you're a farmer, or a carpenter,
or a guitar player, or whatever it is,
271
00:31:18,126 --> 00:31:20,878
you have to fight these man-made materials.
272
00:31:29,804 --> 00:31:32,014
Fifteen-minute guitar solos,
273
00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:35,893
15-minute organ solos or the drum solos.
274
00:31:35,977 --> 00:31:39,021
There was a huge element
of self-indulgence.
275
00:31:39,147 --> 00:31:44,234
Professional rock musicians
who looked down upon their fans.
276
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,156
Those old colors were dead,
and we wanted none of it.
277
00:31:55,663 --> 00:31:58,832
Spinal Tap, that's a movie that I watched.
278
00:31:59,709 --> 00:32:04,087
I didn't laugh, I wept.
It was so close to the truth.
279
00:32:06,341 --> 00:32:09,259
Music really was searching at that moment.
280
00:33:16,744 --> 00:33:19,788
I'd listen to anything with a guitar on it
when I was a kid, you know...
281
00:33:19,914 --> 00:33:20,998
Yeah.
282
00:33:21,082 --> 00:33:25,168
...that was being played, and all those
different approaches and the echoes,
283
00:33:25,253 --> 00:33:28,213
but the first time I heard the Rumble,
it was like...
284
00:33:28,297 --> 00:33:31,049
That was something that had so much
profound attitude to it.
285
00:33:31,134 --> 00:33:33,260
- Yeah, it really does.
- It really does.
286
00:33:36,514 --> 00:33:41,768
Now he's starting to increase
a vibrato on his amplifier.
287
00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:45,272
You hear... And it gets more intense.
288
00:34:11,382 --> 00:34:15,218
Most of my day was spent
going through these records,
289
00:34:15,303 --> 00:34:17,054
listening to sounds,
290
00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:20,307
or playing guitar with the sounds.
291
00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:26,646
I was pulled in through those speakers.
292
00:34:28,191 --> 00:34:30,650
This wonderful guitar playing.
293
00:34:32,153 --> 00:34:34,488
Got to get to grips with that.
294
00:34:34,989 --> 00:34:36,990
Just two people, bass.
295
00:34:38,993 --> 00:34:41,536
Go home and see if you can play it.
296
00:34:48,586 --> 00:34:51,630
All these old friends
that I used to visit on a daily,
297
00:34:51,714 --> 00:34:55,509
almost hourly, almost a per-minute basis.
298
00:34:57,845 --> 00:35:01,014
Okay. Might get loud for a second.
299
00:35:14,278 --> 00:35:19,074
As kids, we were so experimental
with whatever was around.
300
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,707
Taking stuff apart,
301
00:35:29,043 --> 00:35:32,129
we were always tinkering,
always messing around.
302
00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:38,385
We built a guitar
when my brother was 16. I was 14.
303
00:35:41,389 --> 00:35:45,600
Literally hand-wound the magnets
to make the pickups.
304
00:35:48,604 --> 00:35:50,564
Every little component.
305
00:35:55,570 --> 00:35:59,614
Got wood from Barry O'Connell's
parents' place.
306
00:36:01,492 --> 00:36:04,494
Hand-carved the neck,
hand-carved the body,
307
00:36:05,413 --> 00:36:07,998
sawed the grooves, put the fret wire in,
308
00:36:08,082 --> 00:36:11,585
every aspect, and put it together.
309
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,013
I mean, it wasn't the best guitar
that's ever been made,
310
00:36:23,097 --> 00:36:24,806
but it functioned.
311
00:36:37,278 --> 00:36:39,779
Never wanted to play guitar, ever.
312
00:36:40,281 --> 00:36:42,449
Everyone plays guitar.
313
00:36:43,492 --> 00:36:45,202
What's the point?
314
00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:56,630
I'm the youngest of 10 kids,
and there was just stuff around.
315
00:36:56,714 --> 00:36:58,840
A microscope, a power tool.
316
00:37:04,347 --> 00:37:05,889
When you're in a family of 10 kids,
317
00:37:05,973 --> 00:37:08,934
I mean, it's just a given.
You're gonna be sharing all day long.
318
00:37:09,018 --> 00:37:11,728
Hand-me-down clothes, hand-me-down toys.
319
00:37:11,979 --> 00:37:15,106
Different interests,
and everyone's in and out all the time.
320
00:37:15,191 --> 00:37:17,943
Some people are walking to work,
some people are taking the bus.
321
00:37:18,027 --> 00:37:20,362
Competition, fighting for food.
322
00:37:20,488 --> 00:37:24,366
You push each other over.
You muscle your way into situations.
323
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:29,412
My brothers,
a bunch of them were musicians,
324
00:37:29,497 --> 00:37:31,831
bass, keyboards, played guitar.
325
00:37:39,340 --> 00:37:43,301
I got really into drumming,
playing along with the records.
326
00:37:43,386 --> 00:37:45,845
Those rhythms got into me early.
327
00:37:48,683 --> 00:37:52,519
100% only caring
about music and rhythm.
328
00:37:53,604 --> 00:37:57,524
I had a bedroom that was
about seven by seven feet, really small.
329
00:37:57,608 --> 00:38:00,527
There was so much junk I had collected.
330
00:38:01,904 --> 00:38:04,281
I had two drum sets in there,
331
00:38:05,032 --> 00:38:08,201
a guitar amplifier
and a reel-to-reel and no bed.
332
00:38:08,536 --> 00:38:10,287
I took the bed out.
333
00:38:11,038 --> 00:38:14,457
I slept on a piece of foam
on an angle by the door.
334
00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:33,518
The thing that we started out with
is a clear idea
335
00:38:33,602 --> 00:38:36,354
of what we did not want to sound like.
336
00:38:36,439 --> 00:38:41,067
Time to bop with the best in rock and pop
on this week's Top of the Pops!
337
00:38:46,282 --> 00:38:50,785
Top of the Pops was
this longstanding pop TV show.
338
00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:54,164
Most of it was pretty anemic.
339
00:38:59,587 --> 00:39:03,923
If one out of the 10 items on the show
was cool, you were lucky.
340
00:39:08,596 --> 00:39:12,015
That was the only live music
that we could get to see.
341
00:39:12,099 --> 00:39:14,309
Making their debut on this week's
Top of the Pops,
342
00:39:14,435 --> 00:39:17,103
here's The Jam and an effervescent new 45.
343
00:39:17,188 --> 00:39:19,022
One, two, three, four!
344
00:39:33,287 --> 00:39:36,998
It was like somebodyjust lit
the touch paper on this bomb.
345
00:39:37,958 --> 00:39:41,836
So unexpected.
I'd never seen anything like it.
346
00:39:43,547 --> 00:39:45,840
And a hope for a new beginning.
347
00:39:52,556 --> 00:39:54,474
It was like a switch went on.
348
00:39:57,728 --> 00:40:00,522
If we believed fully in what we were about,
349
00:40:00,981 --> 00:40:05,068
that actually was far more important
than how well you could play.
350
00:40:10,491 --> 00:40:14,202
Our limitations as musicians were
ultimately not gonna be a problem.
351
00:40:15,704 --> 00:40:17,914
I was like, "I can do that."
352
00:40:24,839 --> 00:40:26,506
Total commitment,
353
00:40:26,924 --> 00:40:31,261
getting across what you wanted to say
in as straightforward a way as possible.
354
00:40:31,345 --> 00:40:34,180
I started inventing chords to get that sound,
355
00:40:34,265 --> 00:40:35,723
that kind of ringing sound.
356
00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:38,059
Most people play E like this.
357
00:40:39,186 --> 00:40:44,315
Full of a sort of rich, complex tone,
358
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,612
which is a combination
of all the major elements of the chord.
359
00:40:49,697 --> 00:40:52,866
I always wanted to simplify it
and make it more pure,
360
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:57,954
and so I found ways of playing those chords
where I'd eliminate certain notes.
361
00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:04,043
So there's a more clear sound.
362
00:41:04,211 --> 00:41:09,257
You probably hear it more...
As opposed to...
363
00:41:14,305 --> 00:41:17,765
Really paring it down
to the absolute bare minimum.
364
00:41:18,642 --> 00:41:21,227
When it's so simple,
you can turn it up really loud
365
00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:23,563
and it's got more aggression.
366
00:41:46,337 --> 00:41:47,921
Is it right to the C?
367
00:41:48,005 --> 00:41:51,007
- No, actually, what I meant is...
- It can't be.
368
00:41:51,091 --> 00:41:52,300
Yeah.
369
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,608
And then up to the hook.
370
00:42:26,293 --> 00:42:28,169
- Right.
- Are you sure about that C?
371
00:42:28,295 --> 00:42:29,879
- Okay.
- That sounds good, doesn't it?
372
00:42:29,964 --> 00:42:31,756
Sounds great, guys. Roaring, yeah.
373
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,216
Punk-rock nihilism.
374
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:36,886
- There's a bit of the punk rock in this man.
- I think there's some punk left in there.
375
00:42:50,526 --> 00:42:52,694
Distortion, anger,
376
00:42:54,238 --> 00:42:55,989
the punk ideal.
377
00:42:56,824 --> 00:43:00,326
Guys or someone maybe who got picked on,
like a lot of us did, in high school.
378
00:43:00,411 --> 00:43:03,496
This is our chance to, you know,
push you down now.
379
00:43:12,047 --> 00:43:16,009
Southwest Detroit, a tough town.
380
00:43:17,011 --> 00:43:19,679
It puts up with a lot and keeps going.
381
00:43:24,768 --> 00:43:28,938
There was very few white families
left in the '80s.
382
00:43:30,441 --> 00:43:31,733
My family had a stiff upper lip.
383
00:43:31,859 --> 00:43:35,695
Well, we're not leaving.
We're not running away like everybody else.
384
00:43:39,033 --> 00:43:42,910
I lived in an all-Mexican neighborhood.
Mexican Town, it's called.
385
00:43:43,037 --> 00:43:45,204
It was uncool to play guitar.
386
00:43:45,289 --> 00:43:46,664
To play an instrument was
387
00:43:46,749 --> 00:43:49,584
the most embarrassing thing
you could probably make up.
388
00:43:50,753 --> 00:43:54,297
But hip hop and house music,
that's what everyone wanted to hear.
389
00:43:54,381 --> 00:43:57,091
DJs and rappers.
390
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,888
It was very uncool to actually
play an instrument.
391
00:44:02,598 --> 00:44:05,808
There was no record store, no guitar shop.
392
00:44:08,562 --> 00:44:11,397
Nobody liked rock 'n' roll or blues music.
393
00:44:31,251 --> 00:44:35,338
By the time I'm 15, I'm playing more
and I'm pretty reasonably accomplished.
394
00:44:38,759 --> 00:44:42,929
Pop music was rubbish,
so we weren't gonna be playing that.
395
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:52,939
Playing blues music,
music of the Chess catalog,
396
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,441
not going with the flow.
397
00:44:58,112 --> 00:45:02,115
Planning winter gigs, coming out hot,
getting in the back of the van.
398
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:04,283
There's not proper heating in the van.
399
00:45:05,285 --> 00:45:07,954
I thought, "This is getting really tiresome."
400
00:45:09,373 --> 00:45:12,291
Sleeping on the equipment
in the back of the van,
401
00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:14,377
driving to the next gig.
402
00:45:15,796 --> 00:45:20,383
Getting ill, heavy bouts of influenza.
403
00:45:21,969 --> 00:45:25,263
I just thought, it's like beating
your head against a wall here.
404
00:45:25,347 --> 00:45:27,473
And I figured that it was...
405
00:45:27,558 --> 00:45:31,644
Best thing to do at that point
was actually retire.
406
00:45:37,693 --> 00:45:39,652
So I went to art college.
407
00:45:40,904 --> 00:45:43,990
Just as much as I wanted to play guitar,
408
00:45:44,742 --> 00:45:46,993
I also wanted to be an artist.
409
00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:51,914
It had always been something in me.
410
00:45:53,834 --> 00:45:58,087
I wanted to know the techniques
of oil painting, life drawing,
411
00:45:58,672 --> 00:46:01,424
graphic design, sculpture
412
00:46:03,552 --> 00:46:06,095
and the techniques used by the old masters.
413
00:46:19,026 --> 00:46:22,195
You know, I apprenticed out
to a lot of people when I was younger.
414
00:46:24,198 --> 00:46:28,117
I was an apprentice in an upholstery shop
when I was a teenager.
415
00:46:30,954 --> 00:46:33,080
Brian Muldoon was the master
of the upholstery shop
416
00:46:33,207 --> 00:46:35,833
and he was the one teaching me,
and he played drums.
417
00:46:35,918 --> 00:46:38,252
Well, I guess I'll play guitar then.
418
00:46:38,587 --> 00:46:40,463
So when we were done with our workday
419
00:46:40,547 --> 00:46:44,717
we'd move the couches over,
and set up and play in the shop.
420
00:46:48,806 --> 00:46:53,392
Surf and rockabilly, Dick Dale,
and trying to absorb everything.
421
00:46:54,895 --> 00:46:56,020
He'd pick me up from school.
422
00:46:56,104 --> 00:46:57,772
I'd start tearing down the furniture,
423
00:46:57,898 --> 00:47:00,858
ripping off fabric
and cotton off of old chairs,
424
00:47:00,943 --> 00:47:03,611
gluing fabric to foam on weird curves,
425
00:47:04,738 --> 00:47:06,697
tearing off all of the old fabric.
426
00:47:06,782 --> 00:47:09,200
You can imagine all the stuff
that's inside of a couch.
427
00:47:09,284 --> 00:47:12,578
M&M'S, cereal, and babies' toys.
428
00:47:16,917 --> 00:47:18,960
Here's how you sew a welt cord,
429
00:47:19,086 --> 00:47:22,505
or here's how you sew a fly strip
on the back of a decking.
430
00:47:22,589 --> 00:47:24,632
He exposed me to punk music.
431
00:47:24,758 --> 00:47:27,134
The Velvet Underground, The Cramps.
432
00:47:27,261 --> 00:47:31,305
Really took me under his wing to be
an employee and to play music together.
433
00:47:32,558 --> 00:47:35,935
And then I started writing songs.
We kind of became a band.
434
00:47:36,353 --> 00:47:39,355
We got to put out a record
and we called it The Upholsterers.
435
00:47:41,275 --> 00:47:44,443
So, this song is Froggy Went a-Courting,
436
00:47:44,528 --> 00:47:47,154
you know, the folk song,
Froggy Went a-Courting.
437
00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:51,659
But I'd never heard it like this before though.
438
00:47:54,705 --> 00:47:57,206
I was really into the drummer first off, I...
439
00:47:58,959 --> 00:48:00,209
Oh, yeah.
440
00:48:04,381 --> 00:48:06,674
And this right here, it blew my mind here.
441
00:48:20,981 --> 00:48:24,525
The Flat Duo Jets,
two-piece band from North Carolina.
442
00:48:25,235 --> 00:48:28,362
Guitar, drums and vocals,
just like me and Meg.
443
00:48:33,368 --> 00:48:36,621
I went and saw him play
and I was blown away.
444
00:48:38,290 --> 00:48:40,708
There was nothing on stage.
There was nothing there.
445
00:48:40,792 --> 00:48:44,337
He was using a little 10-watt amp
and Silvertone guitar.
446
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,683
Headed in, what I would have thought
at the time, backwards direction.
447
00:49:04,816 --> 00:49:09,028
I had to reassess what backwards
meant in my mind.
448
00:49:12,574 --> 00:49:15,826
That opened up a whole new inspiration
for me about the guitar.
449
00:49:24,252 --> 00:49:26,837
I started to leave the drums alone a little bit.
450
00:49:35,681 --> 00:49:38,140
The first guitar I ever bought.
451
00:49:38,266 --> 00:49:40,601
This was, you know, brand-new
when I bought it.
452
00:49:40,686 --> 00:49:42,019
It's just been with me ever since.
453
00:49:42,104 --> 00:49:46,023
And when we recorded our first album
with Steve Lillywhite,
454
00:49:46,108 --> 00:49:49,193
we were in the studio in Dublin
and we did the backing tracks.
455
00:49:49,277 --> 00:49:53,531
And he said, "You know, let's do
some overdubs with a different guitar."
456
00:49:53,615 --> 00:49:55,783
I said, "What do you mean?
457
00:49:55,867 --> 00:50:01,831
"We only have one guitar.
This is the only guitar we own in the band."
458
00:50:16,638 --> 00:50:20,599
I was 17, I think, the summer of '78.
459
00:50:23,812 --> 00:50:26,522
And my family actually were in New York.
460
00:50:27,899 --> 00:50:29,567
It was like walking into a movie for me.
461
00:50:29,651 --> 00:50:32,987
I mean, I remember, not only did they speak
like they did in the movies,
462
00:50:33,071 --> 00:50:35,489
but the cars looked like they did
in the movies.
463
00:50:36,158 --> 00:50:39,952
That's actually how people spoke.
That's actually what the place looked like.
464
00:50:48,879 --> 00:50:50,504
It's a burden when you have a truck or a van,
465
00:50:50,589 --> 00:50:53,549
because everybody you know wants you
to move their stuff for them, you know.
466
00:50:53,633 --> 00:50:55,301
So every time you get a phone call,
467
00:50:55,385 --> 00:50:59,388
you're like, "Yeah, I'll come help you
move your stove or your safe."
468
00:51:05,604 --> 00:51:08,522
I helped my brother move a refrigerator.
469
00:51:09,566 --> 00:51:13,819
Him and his wife started managing
a St. Vincent de Paul store.
470
00:51:15,072 --> 00:51:18,657
It's like a Salvation Army
kind of store in Detroit.
471
00:51:19,743 --> 00:51:22,578
So I helped him move a refrigerator there.
472
00:51:28,627 --> 00:51:31,712
The sunburst. Tobacco sunburst.
473
00:51:32,631 --> 00:51:36,342
My first electric. Just tremendous.
474
00:51:36,426 --> 00:51:38,719
Just couldn't believe it
when I actually got it home,
475
00:51:38,804 --> 00:51:41,013
and there it was in the house.
476
00:51:42,933 --> 00:51:44,225
Fantastic.
477
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,482
This was the one.
This was the one that I was after.
478
00:51:53,777 --> 00:51:57,905
I went around to the stores on the street
479
00:51:58,031 --> 00:52:01,117
and found Stuyvesant Guitars.
480
00:52:04,496 --> 00:52:06,956
Guitars everywhere, people everywhere.
481
00:52:10,252 --> 00:52:11,919
This instrument was just there,
calling out to me.
482
00:52:16,091 --> 00:52:17,591
This Explorer.
483
00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:25,432
I was really starting to go on my way then.
484
00:52:26,101 --> 00:52:31,438
My technique started to improve.
It became like a total addiction,
485
00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:36,193
to the point where actually
I was now starting to take it to school.
486
00:52:36,278 --> 00:52:39,697
And I'd be practicing
during the recess breaks.
487
00:52:40,824 --> 00:52:44,118
And then it got to the point
where the guitar was confiscated.
488
00:52:44,202 --> 00:52:47,913
They thought it was going to be
counterculture or something.
489
00:52:48,206 --> 00:52:50,708
It wasn't doing any harm to anybody.
490
00:52:52,210 --> 00:52:53,961
Not then, it wasn't.
491
00:52:55,964 --> 00:52:59,133
So, when I helped him move
the refrigerator, he said,
492
00:52:59,217 --> 00:53:01,302
"Well, how about taking this guitar
for payment?
493
00:53:01,386 --> 00:53:03,429
"Thanks for helping us," you know.
494
00:53:03,555 --> 00:53:06,265
And I loved it so much I couldn't believe it.
495
00:53:09,144 --> 00:53:12,062
I was like, "Whoa, man, that was worth it."
496
00:53:25,827 --> 00:53:29,330
I plugged it into an amp in the room
and just could tell.
497
00:53:29,414 --> 00:53:31,999
This was the kind of guitar
that had possibilities.
498
00:53:32,083 --> 00:53:34,376
There were songs in this guitar.
499
00:53:35,962 --> 00:53:39,924
Twenty minutes in this store
just defined the sound of the band.
500
00:53:41,301 --> 00:53:42,635
This better work out.
501
00:54:31,226 --> 00:54:35,145
I had ideas about modifying
or kind of designing my own guitar.
502
00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:37,731
I liked the body shape of this one.
503
00:54:37,816 --> 00:54:40,901
I was trying to customize one of these
Gretsch guitars for The Raconteurs.
504
00:54:48,576 --> 00:54:51,161
When people take a guitar
that's known for a certain sound
505
00:54:51,246 --> 00:54:53,247
and throw it into a whole different context,
506
00:54:55,583 --> 00:54:56,709
something interesting happens.
507
00:55:23,653 --> 00:55:27,114
Knowing that there was a threshold,
to volume,
508
00:55:27,198 --> 00:55:29,408
I wanted to get more sustain out of things.
509
00:55:30,785 --> 00:55:33,871
I bumped into this chap, Roger Mayer,
510
00:55:34,456 --> 00:55:37,916
and all he told people
was he worked at the Admiralty.
511
00:55:39,127 --> 00:55:40,919
Did I have any ideas?
512
00:56:06,488 --> 00:56:10,991
I had this record at home of a guitar
that had a lot of sustain on it.
513
00:56:11,076 --> 00:56:13,994
And I got him to come around
and have a listen to it.
514
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:15,662
I said, "Can you get that?"
515
00:56:16,456 --> 00:56:20,042
And he went away
and came back with this phenomenal thing.
516
00:56:23,421 --> 00:56:26,673
A distortion pedal
which overloads the signal,
517
00:56:30,678 --> 00:56:35,391
overdrive the sound
and make it sound pretty rude.
518
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,257
This is what I'm actually playing.
519
00:57:15,056 --> 00:57:19,017
That's it. The rest is the foot pedal,
the effects, the whole thing.
520
00:57:19,102 --> 00:57:20,561
You know, so if you're on an acoustic,
trying to say,
521
00:57:20,645 --> 00:57:23,814
"Here's my new riff.
It's a really cool riff. Listen."
522
00:57:34,284 --> 00:57:35,701
Oh, my Lord.
523
00:57:37,454 --> 00:57:38,537
Wow.
524
00:57:39,831 --> 00:57:43,417
That's impressive. That's great.
525
00:57:44,586 --> 00:57:48,505
It was a single cutaway,
and I had this brilliant luthier
526
00:57:48,590 --> 00:57:50,382
in Seattle, Randy Parsons.
527
00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:52,801
And he made it a double cutaway for me.
528
00:57:52,886 --> 00:57:55,762
And then I said, "Well, listen, I have an idea.
529
00:57:55,847 --> 00:57:57,556
"Can you just... Can you put a silver...
530
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,767
"A Green Bullet harmonica mic
on the guitar,
531
00:58:00,852 --> 00:58:02,644
"so I can just take it out, and right there?"
532
00:58:28,505 --> 00:58:32,299
I got this echo unit
and I brought it back to rehearsal,
533
00:58:32,383 --> 00:58:37,471
and just got totally into playing,
but listening to the return echo
534
00:58:40,141 --> 00:58:45,938
filling in notes that I'm not playing,
like two guitar players rather than one.
535
00:58:50,860 --> 00:58:54,988
The exact same thing,
but it's just a little bit off to one side.
536
00:58:56,324 --> 00:58:59,618
I could see ways to use it
that had never been used.
537
00:59:00,495 --> 00:59:02,621
Suddenly everything changed.
538
00:59:10,547 --> 00:59:11,755
So, Jimmy, what...
539
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:14,883
You know, those early songs
that you played on in the studio,
540
00:59:14,968 --> 00:59:16,510
- what did you actually play on?
- Yeah.
541
00:59:16,594 --> 00:59:18,345
I mean, that I would have heard,
542
00:59:18,429 --> 00:59:22,391
- like, there's all these legends about...
- Well, sometimes you could hear what I did,
543
00:59:22,475 --> 00:59:24,685
and other times,
you couldn't hear what I did.
544
00:59:24,769 --> 00:59:26,895
But, I mean, I was on Goldfinger.
545
00:59:26,980 --> 00:59:28,063
That was fantastic.
546
00:59:28,147 --> 00:59:31,733
Yeah. She did one take
and collapsed at the end of it.
547
00:59:31,818 --> 00:59:35,028
But, you know, it was huge, huge
big orchestra in the EMI number one,
548
00:59:35,113 --> 00:59:36,863
which was a massive, great studio,
you know.
549
00:59:36,948 --> 00:59:39,074
They did a lot of film stuff in there.
550
00:59:39,158 --> 00:59:42,327
- And, like, The Kinks stuff?
- I did some Kinks stuff.
551
00:59:42,412 --> 00:59:43,829
- Really?
- Yeah. I didn't...
552
00:59:43,997 --> 00:59:46,498
I mean, you know, it all got out of hand,
you know, about what I had done
553
00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:49,459
- and what I hadn't done.
- Really, it became, like, the stuff of legend.
554
00:59:49,544 --> 00:59:52,337
You know, before you knew what it was,
you'd done everything.
555
01:00:01,222 --> 01:00:06,685
I was filling in, in an interval band
at a club called The Marquee Club,
556
01:00:07,812 --> 01:00:09,938
playing on Thursday evening.
557
01:00:14,694 --> 01:00:18,864
And somebody asked me, said,
"Would you like to play on the record?"
558
01:00:26,414 --> 01:00:30,667
The record just bubbled in
on the lower end of the Top 20.
559
01:00:32,211 --> 01:00:34,212
Then it moved so quickly.
560
01:00:35,632 --> 01:00:39,509
The invitations to do more records
were so frequent after that.
561
01:00:44,891 --> 01:00:49,895
An apprenticeship,
going into recording studios.
562
01:00:53,816 --> 01:00:55,901
"Can you put a riff to this?"
563
01:00:56,235 --> 01:01:00,906
A song with all its parts, the verses,
the choruses, the middle eights.
564
01:01:00,990 --> 01:01:03,492
Feel free to add light detail on it.
565
01:01:05,036 --> 01:01:08,580
The musical notation,
you needed to be right on top of it.
566
01:01:14,962 --> 01:01:17,547
I could put on all these different hats.
567
01:01:17,632 --> 01:01:21,760
Film music or a jingle.
"Well done, Jimmy, that's great."
568
01:02:01,634 --> 01:02:06,012
By the time I was about 18,
somebody played me Son House.
569
01:02:07,306 --> 01:02:08,390
That was it for me.
570
01:02:14,772 --> 01:02:18,233
This spoke to me in 1,000 different ways.
571
01:02:18,317 --> 01:02:22,154
I didn't know that you could do that.
572
01:02:22,238 --> 01:02:24,156
Just singing and clapping.
573
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,742
And it meant everything.
It meant everything about rock 'n' roll,
574
01:02:26,826 --> 01:02:30,454
everything about expression
and creativity and art.
575
01:02:31,164 --> 01:02:34,916
One man against the world in one song.
576
01:02:55,104 --> 01:02:58,190
That's my favorite song. Still is.
577
01:02:58,691 --> 01:03:01,902
It became my favorite song
the first time I heard it and it still is.
578
01:03:02,779 --> 01:03:05,113
I heard everything disappearing.
579
01:03:08,367 --> 01:03:10,243
It didn't matter that he was clapping off time.
580
01:03:10,328 --> 01:03:14,039
It didn't matter
that there was no instruments being played.
581
01:03:15,458 --> 01:03:18,543
All that mattered
was the attitude of the song.
582
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,598
Jumping off into the unknown.
583
01:03:36,229 --> 01:03:40,982
Hope and have faith that the next chord
or the next few notes will come to you.
584
01:03:44,737 --> 01:03:47,072
On occasions, you get nothing
585
01:03:47,156 --> 01:03:50,158
and you come out
feeling like a complete idiot
586
01:03:50,243 --> 01:03:51,535
and that you don't know anything,
587
01:03:51,619 --> 01:03:55,455
and you can't play guitar
and you can't write songs.
588
01:04:14,225 --> 01:04:19,563
There's this little house on the coast
of an area outside Dublin, called Howth.
589
01:04:26,904 --> 01:04:30,031
We decided that this is
where we would rehearse,
590
01:04:30,116 --> 01:04:33,034
leading up to the recording
of the War album.
591
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,673
There have been bombs here before,
but nothing of the scale of yesterday's.
592
01:04:47,216 --> 01:04:50,302
And as the full implications
of the number of dead and injured
593
01:04:50,386 --> 01:04:53,138
and the destruction to property
became apparent,
594
01:04:53,222 --> 01:04:57,893
it's also clear that the South now
has a serious security problem of its own.
595
01:05:02,064 --> 01:05:04,608
Bombs going off on a weekly basis.
596
01:05:06,861 --> 01:05:08,820
So many lives destroyed.
597
01:05:09,989 --> 01:05:14,117
Perverted, distorted idea of freedom.
598
01:05:17,455 --> 01:05:19,164
No life was sacred.
599
01:05:33,512 --> 01:05:37,474
The crunch came.
This one day I went into this session.
600
01:05:37,558 --> 01:05:40,936
I saw this big ream of paper in front of me.
601
01:05:43,981 --> 01:05:46,524
I started to get very uncomfortable.
602
01:05:49,445 --> 01:05:53,031
There was no run-through.
They counted you in, and off you went.
603
01:05:57,703 --> 01:05:59,579
It literally was Muzak.
604
01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:03,625
I'm not actually creating anything.
605
01:06:03,709 --> 01:06:07,087
I'm interpreting
whatever it is that's written down now.
606
01:06:07,171 --> 01:06:09,589
And I'm even doing Muzak sessions.
607
01:06:14,136 --> 01:06:15,887
Tearing my hair out.
608
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:20,433
And I've got to get out of it.
609
01:06:31,237 --> 01:06:34,406
And I thought about it for a long time,
for days.
610
01:06:35,616 --> 01:06:37,784
There's this whole new world
that's just opened up in front of me
611
01:06:37,868 --> 01:06:41,413
and I have to figure out,
"How do I get there?
612
01:06:41,872 --> 01:06:44,207
"Am I not allowed to get there?"
613
01:06:55,678 --> 01:06:59,597
Bono put it to me, he said,
"You know, Edge, I think maybe if you
614
01:06:59,682 --> 01:07:02,267
"would do a bit of time on your own."
615
01:07:09,942 --> 01:07:12,986
I remember feeling, "Well, can I write?
616
01:07:15,614 --> 01:07:19,034
"You know, am I a writer,
or am I just a guitarist?"
617
01:07:24,123 --> 01:07:26,958
This is it. This is the day of departure.
618
01:07:28,127 --> 01:07:32,213
I wanted to get out there,
and I had a lot that I really wanted to do.
619
01:07:48,689 --> 01:07:53,276
The minute that I was in The Yardbirds,
that bow was out immediately.
620
01:07:58,157 --> 01:08:01,868
I shed this coat off of me,
and then I wanted to try everything
621
01:08:01,952 --> 01:08:04,329
that was breaking rules.
I wanted to do things that sped up.
622
01:08:04,413 --> 01:08:07,791
I wanted to do things that were
like playing a bow and hurting people's ears.
623
01:08:14,381 --> 01:08:17,675
I started to look for ways to get away with it
624
01:08:18,344 --> 01:08:21,304
and not be some sort
of white-boy blues band.
625
01:08:22,223 --> 01:08:24,849
And we went and played open-mic night.
626
01:08:27,228 --> 01:08:28,686
We were kind of in our own little world.
627
01:08:31,524 --> 01:08:33,149
Meg didn't really want to do it.
628
01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:36,653
I was pushing her.
629
01:08:36,737 --> 01:08:38,530
If I put her behind the drums,
630
01:08:38,614 --> 01:08:41,366
then, you know,
maybe something interesting will happen.
631
01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:44,994
She just played like a little caveman
and a little child.
632
01:08:46,664 --> 01:08:49,499
We started to form everything around Meg.
633
01:08:50,251 --> 01:08:52,752
We saw a bag of peppermint candies.
634
01:08:53,129 --> 01:08:54,879
I said, "Well, that should be
on your bass drum.
635
01:08:54,964 --> 01:08:58,007
"We should paint that
on your bass drum."
636
01:08:58,467 --> 01:09:01,177
By this time, I had found a red guitar.
637
01:09:03,597 --> 01:09:10,353
This red guitar and the peppermint candy
dictated the aesthetic of the band.
638
01:09:14,358 --> 01:09:18,027
White Stripes became the big way
to get away with it.
639
01:09:18,654 --> 01:09:22,907
By having a brother-and-sister band
that was, you know...
640
01:09:22,992 --> 01:09:25,285
Red, white and black
was the complete aesthetic.
641
01:09:25,369 --> 01:09:26,953
And it was childish,
and we're presenting ourselves
642
01:09:27,037 --> 01:09:29,205
in a real childish manner,
almost like cartoon characters.
643
01:09:29,290 --> 01:09:31,291
And a lot of distractions
to keep people away
644
01:09:31,375 --> 01:09:33,084
from what was really going on,
645
01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:36,546
which was, we were just really trying
to play this, you know.
646
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:38,548
You know, still are, so...
647
01:10:44,949 --> 01:10:46,783
I would just go to D with it
sort of in a blues way,
648
01:10:46,867 --> 01:10:49,410
and I was just singing a Son House lyric.
649
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,043
And then we go to D, then...
650
01:11:09,431 --> 01:11:12,016
Floating around blues structures.
651
01:11:26,991 --> 01:11:29,158
Did the press understand
what you were doing?
652
01:11:29,243 --> 01:11:31,160
No, I don't think they did.
653
01:11:31,245 --> 01:11:33,830
I didn't think they had a clue
what we were doing,
654
01:11:33,914 --> 01:11:38,710
as each album
changed in its sort of concept and variety.
655
01:11:48,512 --> 01:11:50,555
The reviews were terrible.
656
01:11:50,848 --> 01:11:53,683
They didn't understand what we were doing.
657
01:11:54,685 --> 01:11:58,771
They gave the fourth album
a one-paragraph review.
658
01:11:59,857 --> 01:12:02,233
Now, there's a lot of material on that.
659
01:12:02,318 --> 01:12:06,195
Black Dog, there's Levee Breaks,
there's Stairway to Heaven.
660
01:12:07,197 --> 01:12:08,698
One paragraph.
661
01:12:28,218 --> 01:12:30,887
They didn't have a clue what was going on.
662
01:12:32,222 --> 01:12:35,558
I just didn't even bother
to read music papers after that.
663
01:12:41,190 --> 01:12:43,274
This car bomb has gone off.
664
01:12:44,443 --> 01:12:48,654
This bar has been raked
with machine gun fire.
665
01:12:55,079 --> 01:12:58,581
Total disregard for human life.
666
01:13:08,634 --> 01:13:10,927
We're not buying into this.
667
01:13:16,767 --> 01:13:19,102
I just remember being in a rage.
668
01:13:28,112 --> 01:13:31,989
When you go past a managed forest,
669
01:13:34,118 --> 01:13:37,078
you see a mass of tree trunks.
670
01:13:44,962 --> 01:13:49,799
Then, at a certain point, you look again,
and you realize they're all in perfect rows.
671
01:13:53,095 --> 01:13:54,303
Clarity.
672
01:13:58,350 --> 01:14:00,017
Clarity of vision.
673
01:14:03,355 --> 01:14:07,692
What you've been looking at
from the wrong angle and not seeing at all.
674
01:14:10,487 --> 01:14:11,821
You labor.
675
01:14:12,656 --> 01:14:15,992
You sweat to see
676
01:14:16,076 --> 01:14:19,620
what you couldn't have seen
from that other perspective.
677
01:14:22,875 --> 01:14:26,169
I just remember
just scrambling to try and put it down
678
01:14:26,253 --> 01:14:29,005
before that moment passes and fades.
679
01:14:39,433 --> 01:14:43,769
And picking up the guitar
and that's what I came out with.
680
01:16:33,130 --> 01:16:37,883
You know, I come in here
and sometimes it's just not a great day,
681
01:16:37,968 --> 01:16:42,638
but there's always gonna be something
if you just keep going.
682
01:16:47,561 --> 01:16:51,147
If you don't have a struggle already
inside of you or around you,
683
01:16:51,231 --> 01:16:53,190
you have to make one up.
684
01:16:54,276 --> 01:16:56,777
These little things during the day.
685
01:16:58,238 --> 01:16:59,822
Extreme feelings.
686
01:17:00,157 --> 01:17:01,991
Something that made you angry
or something that made you
687
01:17:02,075 --> 01:17:03,826
upset orjealous.
688
01:17:54,586 --> 01:17:57,713
You wrote the essence
ofStairway to Heaven before you got here.
689
01:17:57,798 --> 01:17:59,674
- Yes, I had...
- What is your process
690
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,676
when you write a song?
691
01:18:04,054 --> 01:18:06,263
I can't tell you what the process is.
692
01:18:06,348 --> 01:18:12,436
It changes from one thing to another,
but it usually comes just from...
693
01:18:12,521 --> 01:18:14,313
For anybody who's writing or,
694
01:18:14,398 --> 01:18:17,817
you know, whether they're writing
written word or music or whatever,
695
01:18:17,901 --> 01:18:21,070
it just comes from the creative spark, really.
696
01:18:21,655 --> 01:18:22,822
It's all very spontaneous,
697
01:18:22,906 --> 01:18:26,951
but, you see, the whole reason
for being here was for that.
698
01:18:40,632 --> 01:18:44,593
The double neck came as a result
of Stairway.
699
01:18:44,845 --> 01:18:46,804
Stairwaywas done on the acoustic,
700
01:18:46,888 --> 01:18:51,350
with all these electric guitar string parts
on it that build it up.
701
01:18:51,435 --> 01:18:53,561
I thought to myself,
"How am I going to do this on stage?"
702
01:18:53,645 --> 01:18:58,941
So, it became a necessity
relative to the song, if you like.
703
01:18:59,025 --> 01:19:02,194
'Cause then you could do the six-string part,
704
01:19:02,279 --> 01:19:05,364
the acoustic part, electric, of course,
but the solo on this,
705
01:19:05,449 --> 01:19:07,491
- and do the rest of it on the 12.
- Right. Yeah.
706
01:19:21,173 --> 01:19:25,217
Being a studio musician,
you certainly don't speed up.
707
01:19:25,761 --> 01:19:30,473
One of the things that I really wanted to do
straightaway was crescendo and speed.
708
01:19:47,324 --> 01:19:49,200
I liked this idea of movement.
709
01:19:59,878 --> 01:20:01,921
Pulse, push.
710
01:20:02,547 --> 01:20:05,883
Rise and fall in its intensity, in its power.
711
01:20:07,803 --> 01:20:09,845
Light and shade.
712
01:20:09,930 --> 01:20:12,515
Wouldn't I want to be employing that?
713
01:20:31,576 --> 01:20:34,161
That was something
that was gonna keep increasing,
714
01:20:34,246 --> 01:20:38,165
building, accelerating,
from the beginning to the very end,
715
01:20:38,708 --> 01:20:40,251
like an orgasm.
716
01:21:44,566 --> 01:21:48,235
Every night that we went on stage,
it was living.
717
01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:51,822
Totally living at every point.
718
01:21:54,826 --> 01:21:59,163
The spark had become the flame
and the flame was burning really bright.
719
01:23:18,743 --> 01:23:20,077
That's it.
720
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:52,443
There's a total concentration
on music and creativity and writing.
721
01:23:58,158 --> 01:24:00,075
Pushing the boundaries.
722
01:24:01,786 --> 01:24:03,787
Looking over the horizon.
723
01:24:05,957 --> 01:24:10,169
Musicians that were absolutely
on top of their game.
724
01:27:08,723 --> 01:27:09,890
Great!
725
01:27:10,516 --> 01:27:11,642
Nice.
726
01:27:16,022 --> 01:27:17,648
Nice. That's it.
727
01:27:29,869 --> 01:27:32,371
You're supposed to join the family.
728
01:27:33,915 --> 01:27:36,583
You're supposed to become part of it.
729
01:27:36,668 --> 01:27:38,794
That family of storytellers.
730
01:27:52,183 --> 01:27:56,853
When it goes down into that break bit.
It's, yeah... It's G. Yeah.
731
01:27:57,438 --> 01:28:00,190
- D, C, C, G.
- Okay. Yeah.
732
01:28:00,275 --> 01:28:01,692
G, B minor?
733
01:28:01,818 --> 01:28:04,027
- G, D, C, it's the...
- Right here. I see. Yeah, okay.
734
01:28:04,112 --> 01:28:06,029
The biggest thrill is creating something
735
01:28:06,114 --> 01:28:09,241
that has the power
to really connect with people.
736
01:28:09,951 --> 01:28:12,577
That's why I took up the guitar
in the first place.
737
01:28:12,662 --> 01:28:15,831
What's the note here for the vocal?
For me, if I do it lower.
738
01:28:19,085 --> 01:28:20,168
Oh, that.
739
01:28:21,713 --> 01:28:23,672
I can do the high, but...
740
01:28:25,466 --> 01:28:26,967
Afraid I can't hit it.
741
01:28:27,969 --> 01:28:30,971
- I can't sing. I'm hopeless. Yeah.
- Really high ones, isn't it?
742
01:28:31,055 --> 01:28:34,891
Whether I took it on, or it took me on,
I don't know.
743
01:28:35,393 --> 01:28:37,269
The jury's out on that.
744
01:28:37,603 --> 01:28:39,229
But I don't care.
745
01:28:40,398 --> 01:28:43,442
I just really, really enjoyed it. That's it.
746
01:28:49,073 --> 01:28:53,327
I just noticed, I've been playing
the wrong second chord in the verse.
747
01:28:53,411 --> 01:28:56,079
- Have you?
- It's a B minor, actually, not an E minor.
748
01:28:58,416 --> 01:29:00,834
- Shit.
- Yeah, that's better.
749
01:29:00,918 --> 01:29:03,420
For me, it was a much bigger world.
750
01:29:03,629 --> 01:29:07,007
I had a voracious appetite for everything.
All of it.
751
01:29:22,523 --> 01:29:24,691
Music keeps progressing and moving on
752
01:29:24,776 --> 01:29:26,943
and people come up with new ideas
and new tricks
753
01:29:27,111 --> 01:29:30,155
and new ways to tell the same story
in a different way.
754
01:29:47,173 --> 01:29:49,341
We're all doing the same thing,
755
01:29:49,467 --> 01:29:51,718
attempting to share something
with another human being.
756
01:30:16,661 --> 01:30:19,996
In essence, we are effectively the same band.
757
01:30:21,249 --> 01:30:24,000
We're a little bit more complex.
758
01:30:24,085 --> 01:30:29,840
But we're really still the band
that's crowded into the small little rooms,
759
01:30:30,883 --> 01:30:32,551
trying to play with each other
760
01:30:32,677 --> 01:30:36,263
and find those clues
that will take us somewhere new.
761
01:30:36,347 --> 01:30:39,599
Now, exactly where this note was
I have no memory.
762
01:30:39,684 --> 01:30:41,226
But this is where it was put.
763
01:30:47,567 --> 01:30:51,236
I loved this whole idea of, you know,
getting a band together.
764
01:30:51,362 --> 01:30:53,655
So I was definitely gonna do something.
765
01:30:53,739 --> 01:30:57,492
But if Larry had not put the message up,
I would have been in some other band.
766
01:30:57,577 --> 01:30:59,911
I don't know. It wouldn't have been U2.
767
01:31:00,037 --> 01:31:04,040
God knows who it would have been.
And if, you know, would I
768
01:31:05,126 --> 01:31:07,127
be doing what I am now? Probably not.
769
01:31:11,632 --> 01:31:14,050
I mean, I could be doing anything.
770
01:31:16,387 --> 01:31:20,432
I'd be, I don't know,
working in a bank somewhere or something.
771
01:31:38,784 --> 01:31:41,411
The day when you pick up a guitar
772
01:31:41,496 --> 01:31:44,372
and there's nothing
coming through whatsoever.
773
01:31:44,457 --> 01:31:47,000
There's no new pieces, no new ideas.
774
01:31:49,587 --> 01:31:53,089
And that's the sort of gift
that any creative person has.
775
01:31:53,674 --> 01:31:57,511
There's always that point that
that might happen to you.
776
01:31:58,596 --> 01:32:01,806
Or you're too old
to be able to pick the guitar up.
777
01:32:02,767 --> 01:32:07,270
And we're just trying to keep that day far,
far away and out of sight.
778
01:33:06,330 --> 01:33:10,166
This one's called Claudette.
After the actress Claudette Colbert.
779
01:33:10,376 --> 01:33:12,168
My tattoo artist did all this for me.
780
01:33:12,253 --> 01:33:16,423
He's really good at doing this on people,
so we figured he'd be doing it with...
781
01:33:16,507 --> 01:33:19,843
I bought him a wood burning tool,
so he could burn her face on the side of it.
782
01:33:19,927 --> 01:33:22,345
I made the pick guard,
so it looks like a brunette.
783
01:33:46,078 --> 01:33:48,288
And you come out
and bring your amp out here all the time?
784
01:33:48,372 --> 01:33:49,873
Yeah. Yeah.
785
01:33:50,458 --> 01:33:55,545
It's my thing. You know, I like to get out here
in the elements and rock out.
786
01:33:56,756 --> 01:33:58,632
Yeah, with the islands.
787
01:33:58,716 --> 01:34:04,095
The islands I always find very inspiring
for those long echo, delayed sounds.
788
01:34:18,110 --> 01:34:20,070
It's an actual theremin.
789
01:34:30,748 --> 01:34:33,500
It hasn't got six strings, but it's a lot of fun.
790
01:35:02,113 --> 01:35:04,406
I notice you have a picture of the Fab Four.
791
01:35:04,490 --> 01:35:08,284
It's actually not so much
reverence for The Beatles.
792
01:35:08,369 --> 01:35:11,871
It's a kind of haircut reference for the crew.
793
01:35:28,973 --> 01:35:32,809
We almost had an accident
with a suit and a cell phone.
794
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:37,397
He was probably right in the middle
of saying the words "totally organic."
795
01:35:53,581 --> 01:35:58,042
Look at that. Somebody's put the lyrics
to Glad to See You Go on their locker.
796
01:35:58,169 --> 01:36:00,003
What a coincidence. Okay.
797
01:36:00,671 --> 01:36:02,380
We used to play this song.
63995
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