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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,668 --> 00:00:03,404 (dramatic music) 2 00:00:03,404 --> 00:00:06,674 Dan: Jimmy Hoffa was an enemy of orthodox society. 3 00:00:06,674 --> 00:00:08,442 Voiceover: Teamster leader Jimmy Hoffa 4 00:00:08,442 --> 00:00:09,943 threatened John Kennedy, 5 00:00:09,943 --> 00:00:11,512 Robert Kennedy, or both. 6 00:00:11,512 --> 00:00:13,647 Scott: Hoffa was actually a full-fledged informant 7 00:00:13,647 --> 00:00:14,848 by the end. 8 00:00:14,848 --> 00:00:16,917 Dan: Hoffa's associationwith organized crime 9 00:00:16,917 --> 00:00:19,653 just quadrupled thethreat to this country. 10 00:00:19,653 --> 00:00:21,055 Dr. Buccellato: That the Teamsters were protecting 11 00:00:21,055 --> 00:00:22,423 these drug traffickers. 12 00:00:22,423 --> 00:00:24,258 Voiceover: We have no information as, 13 00:00:24,258 --> 00:00:25,493 as to the fact that he is alive, 14 00:00:25,493 --> 00:00:27,161 but we don't know that he is dead either. 15 00:00:27,161 --> 00:00:28,796 Voiceover: More than 200 FBI agents 16 00:00:28,796 --> 00:00:30,631 are involved in the search for Hoffa. 17 00:00:30,631 --> 00:00:31,865 Voiceover: It is one of the most famous 18 00:00:31,865 --> 00:00:33,934 and enduring American mysteries. 19 00:00:33,934 --> 00:00:36,170 What happened to Jimmy Hoffa? 20 00:00:36,170 --> 00:00:38,372 Scott: Hoffa is seen getting into this car, 21 00:00:38,372 --> 00:00:42,143 and the car is seen driving away, never to be seen again. 22 00:00:42,143 --> 00:00:43,411 Hoffa vanished, 23 00:00:43,411 --> 00:00:45,346 and with this disappearance really started 24 00:00:45,346 --> 00:00:47,681 the most fascinating mystery 25 00:00:47,681 --> 00:00:49,617 in the criminal annals of America. 26 00:00:49,617 --> 00:00:53,554 (dramatic music) 27 00:00:55,989 --> 00:01:01,862 (slow dramatic music) 28 00:01:04,732 --> 00:01:06,367 Dr. Russell: Jimmy Hoffawas born and raised 29 00:01:06,367 --> 00:01:08,836 in coal mining towns in Southern Indiana 30 00:01:08,836 --> 00:01:11,239 in the 1910s and 1920s, 31 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:15,843 hardscrabble towns filled with coal miners and bootleggers, 32 00:01:15,843 --> 00:01:17,478 a lot of whites from the South 33 00:01:17,478 --> 00:01:19,147 and emigrated to Southern Indiana. 34 00:01:19,147 --> 00:01:20,748 By the 1920s, it became a hub 35 00:01:20,748 --> 00:01:22,983 of the Ku Klux Klan nationally 36 00:01:23,717 --> 00:01:26,820 and where violence really determined a lot of conflicts. 37 00:01:27,155 --> 00:01:28,622 In the towns he grew up in, 38 00:01:28,622 --> 00:01:30,991 there were more saloons than there were churches. 39 00:01:31,625 --> 00:01:33,861 His mother was a single mother, 40 00:01:33,861 --> 00:01:35,763 who was forced to take in laundry from neighbors 41 00:01:35,763 --> 00:01:36,930 to support the family. 42 00:01:36,930 --> 00:01:38,366 Hoffa lived on the edge 43 00:01:38,366 --> 00:01:40,168 throughout his childhoodand early adulthood, 44 00:01:40,168 --> 00:01:41,769 and I think that also defined his outlook on life 45 00:01:41,769 --> 00:01:42,936 and his career. 46 00:01:43,171 --> 00:01:45,339 (fast beat music) 47 00:01:45,339 --> 00:01:46,640 Al: So Jimmy Hoffa and his family 48 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,177 arrived in Detroit in 1924, 49 00:01:49,177 --> 00:01:51,945 looking for bettereconomic opportunities. 50 00:01:51,945 --> 00:01:54,081 Detroit was one of the fastest growing cities 51 00:01:54,081 --> 00:01:55,316 in the country. 52 00:01:55,316 --> 00:01:56,717 It was also one of the most violent. 53 00:01:56,717 --> 00:01:59,086 Scott: You had the Italians with several groups, 54 00:01:59,086 --> 00:02:00,521 the River Gang, the East Side Gang, 55 00:02:00,521 --> 00:02:02,190 the West Side Gang, 56 00:02:02,190 --> 00:02:04,192 the Jewish Purple Gang. 57 00:02:04,758 --> 00:02:06,327 And then you had other factions, 58 00:02:06,327 --> 00:02:07,828 such as the Lizard Gang, 59 00:02:07,828 --> 00:02:10,898 which is a Polish gang out of Hamtramck. 60 00:02:11,332 --> 00:02:14,668 A gangland economic boomthat was taking place 61 00:02:14,668 --> 00:02:17,205 not just in Detroitbut around the country, 62 00:02:18,806 --> 00:02:20,641 that was the situation that Hoffa was coming up in 63 00:02:20,641 --> 00:02:21,509 as a young man. 64 00:02:21,509 --> 00:02:24,678 (sinister music) 65 00:02:24,678 --> 00:02:26,079 Al: Then the Depression hit, 66 00:02:26,079 --> 00:02:28,716 and it hit Detroit harder than almost anywhere. 67 00:02:28,716 --> 00:02:30,451 Half the city was out of work, 68 00:02:30,451 --> 00:02:32,119 bread lines in the street. 69 00:02:32,753 --> 00:02:34,622 Thousands of people would show up 70 00:02:34,622 --> 00:02:36,457 for a single job opening. 71 00:02:36,524 --> 00:02:37,925 Dr. Russell: Hoffa was lucky to get a job 72 00:02:37,925 --> 00:02:41,229 as a warehouse worker unloading crates 73 00:02:41,229 --> 00:02:43,431 on a dock at Kroger's. 74 00:02:43,431 --> 00:02:45,433 He lived in a world in which 75 00:02:45,433 --> 00:02:47,268 poverty and unemploymentwas the norm 76 00:02:47,268 --> 00:02:49,803 and in which violence often determined 77 00:02:49,803 --> 00:02:52,673 the outcome of class struggle. 78 00:02:54,608 --> 00:02:58,546 Al: In 1932, the very bottom year of the Great Depression, 79 00:02:58,546 --> 00:03:00,814 the year of the national crime wave, 80 00:03:00,814 --> 00:03:03,517 John Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, 81 00:03:03,517 --> 00:03:05,886 Jimmy Hoffa was about 19 years old, 82 00:03:05,886 --> 00:03:08,021 and he did something pretty amazing. 83 00:03:08,021 --> 00:03:10,090 He organized his first strike. 84 00:03:10,090 --> 00:03:11,525 (dramatic music) 85 00:03:11,525 --> 00:03:12,660 Dr. Russell: I think it's important to see Jimmy Hoffa 86 00:03:12,660 --> 00:03:14,895 as always having been an entrepreneur 87 00:03:14,895 --> 00:03:18,766 and looking at the labor movement as an entrepreneur. 88 00:03:18,766 --> 00:03:21,869 He saw the potential for a strike 89 00:03:21,869 --> 00:03:25,939 not as a means to redo the economy 90 00:03:25,939 --> 00:03:28,476 or even redo the management of Kroger's 91 00:03:28,476 --> 00:03:31,178 but as a means simply to make higher wages. 92 00:03:31,178 --> 00:03:35,148 Workers striking, refusing to work was leveraged 93 00:03:35,148 --> 00:03:37,117 for simply economic means. 94 00:03:37,117 --> 00:03:38,752 (sinister music) 95 00:03:38,752 --> 00:03:40,921 Al: Hoffa was seeing the American system 96 00:03:40,921 --> 00:03:42,623 exposed all around him, 97 00:03:42,623 --> 00:03:45,293 Wall Street taking advantage of Main Street, 98 00:03:45,293 --> 00:03:46,860 and the rise of gangsters and bandits. 99 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:48,396 (camera flash) 100 00:03:48,562 --> 00:03:52,733 Dr. Buccellato: Land speculators, banks gobbling up land 101 00:03:52,733 --> 00:03:55,569 foreclosing on small farmers. 102 00:03:55,803 --> 00:03:58,539 Al: For many people, men like John Dillinger and Al Capone 103 00:03:58,539 --> 00:04:00,308 became the heroes. 104 00:04:00,308 --> 00:04:02,810 Doing whatever it took to get ahead in life, 105 00:04:02,810 --> 00:04:04,312 that was what was important. 106 00:04:04,312 --> 00:04:07,348 Dr. Buccellato: Jimmy Hoffa is growing up in the Midwest 107 00:04:07,348 --> 00:04:08,849 during the Great Depression. 108 00:04:08,849 --> 00:04:11,485 He's aware of the outlaw personality. 109 00:04:11,485 --> 00:04:12,986 He's part of the community 110 00:04:12,986 --> 00:04:14,355 that is marginalized. 111 00:04:14,355 --> 00:04:16,223 These communities are responding 112 00:04:16,223 --> 00:04:18,692 to people like John Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd. 113 00:04:19,493 --> 00:04:22,663 So by the time that Jimmy Hoffa becomes involved 114 00:04:22,663 --> 00:04:24,498 in labor politics, 115 00:04:24,498 --> 00:04:27,635 this is an important part of his character. 116 00:04:27,635 --> 00:04:29,770 Al: I think the lessonthat Jimmy Hoffa learned 117 00:04:29,770 --> 00:04:32,072 from the Depression wasto fight tooth and nail 118 00:04:32,072 --> 00:04:33,841 for everything you could get 119 00:04:33,841 --> 00:04:36,744 because Big Business and the government 120 00:04:36,744 --> 00:04:38,779 were not the friends of the working man. 121 00:04:38,779 --> 00:04:41,815 Dr. Russell: His careerthrived in large part 122 00:04:41,815 --> 00:04:45,553 in a very unregulated economy and political atmosphere 123 00:04:45,553 --> 00:04:47,220 in Detroit in the 1930s. 124 00:04:47,220 --> 00:04:50,791 He saw, in fact, that workers could succeed 125 00:04:50,791 --> 00:04:52,092 more often than not 126 00:04:52,092 --> 00:04:53,994 in that sort of jungle environment. 127 00:04:53,994 --> 00:04:55,363 George: Rum owners and guys 128 00:04:55,363 --> 00:04:57,064 who were moving liquor into the country, 129 00:04:57,064 --> 00:04:58,399 they needed trucks. 130 00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:00,601 The Teamsters were driving those trucks. 131 00:05:00,601 --> 00:05:04,071 You've got the nexusright there of the Mob, 132 00:05:04,071 --> 00:05:06,540 corruption, and laborers. 133 00:05:06,540 --> 00:05:08,175 And when Prohibition ends, 134 00:05:08,175 --> 00:05:09,877 that connections remain, 135 00:05:09,877 --> 00:05:11,111 and it just grows out of that. 136 00:05:11,111 --> 00:05:13,113 Dr. Russell: Often,owners, business owners 137 00:05:13,113 --> 00:05:16,784 would hire thugs withbaseball bats and clubs 138 00:05:16,784 --> 00:05:17,985 and sometimes pistols 139 00:05:17,985 --> 00:05:20,588 to intimidate or beat union organizers. 140 00:05:20,588 --> 00:05:24,124 And quite often, those union organizers would fight back 141 00:05:24,124 --> 00:05:25,559 with violence as well, 142 00:05:25,559 --> 00:05:27,395 and so many of these battles are fought in the streets. 143 00:05:27,395 --> 00:05:29,763 Dr. Buccellato:Management and ownership 144 00:05:29,763 --> 00:05:33,033 breaking promises and breaking legs, 145 00:05:33,033 --> 00:05:37,938 it is morally acceptableto fight fire with fire. 146 00:05:37,938 --> 00:05:39,640 George: The Mob was muscle, 147 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,410 and the Mob worked forwhoever would hire them. 148 00:05:42,410 --> 00:05:44,712 In terms of the organized labor movement, 149 00:05:44,712 --> 00:05:46,614 there were times when corporate America, 150 00:05:46,614 --> 00:05:49,116 whether it's the garmentindustry or whatever, 151 00:05:49,116 --> 00:05:53,421 would hire Mob muscle tointimidate the unions. 152 00:05:53,421 --> 00:05:57,891 So it wasn't like theMobsters were embracing 153 00:05:57,891 --> 00:05:59,793 organized labor movement in America. 154 00:05:59,793 --> 00:06:01,762 The Mobsters went wherever there was a payday. 155 00:06:01,762 --> 00:06:02,896 (upbeat music) 156 00:06:02,896 --> 00:06:04,031 Dr. Russell: And workers often found 157 00:06:04,031 --> 00:06:05,433 that they could win those conflicts. 158 00:06:05,433 --> 00:06:06,667 In particular, Hoffa found that those conflicts 159 00:06:06,667 --> 00:06:08,702 could be settled throughtheir willingness 160 00:06:08,702 --> 00:06:10,003 to fight industries. 161 00:06:10,003 --> 00:06:11,939 Dr. Buccellato: For union rank and file, 162 00:06:11,939 --> 00:06:14,542 Jimmy Hoffa is a Robin Hood, 163 00:06:14,542 --> 00:06:15,776 and like Robin Hood, 164 00:06:15,776 --> 00:06:18,746 he may have to resort to extralegal acts. 165 00:06:18,746 --> 00:06:20,681 He may have to get his hands dirty. 166 00:06:20,681 --> 00:06:22,550 But in the end, his workers 167 00:06:22,550 --> 00:06:25,619 and these marginalized communities are better off. 168 00:06:25,753 --> 00:06:27,455 Dr. Russell: Hoffa was most likely involved 169 00:06:27,455 --> 00:06:28,922 in car bombings. 170 00:06:29,356 --> 00:06:33,126 You had to keep scabsout of those workplaces. 171 00:06:33,126 --> 00:06:34,895 You had to keepreplacement workers out, 172 00:06:34,895 --> 00:06:37,631 or else you had nopower as a union leader. 173 00:06:37,631 --> 00:06:39,366 Al: The first real documented proof 174 00:06:39,366 --> 00:06:41,469 of Hoffa's connection with the Mob 175 00:06:41,469 --> 00:06:43,537 comes in about 1937. 176 00:06:43,537 --> 00:06:45,939 Hoffa was married by this time, 177 00:06:45,939 --> 00:06:47,608 but he had an ex-girlfriend 178 00:06:47,608 --> 00:06:49,677 who was sort of a gangster moll, 179 00:06:49,877 --> 00:06:52,946 Sylvia Pagano, a.k.a. Sylvia Paris. 180 00:06:52,946 --> 00:06:54,214 Dr. Buccellato: At the time, 181 00:06:54,214 --> 00:06:58,118 Pagano is dating Frankie"Three Fingers" Coppola, 182 00:06:58,118 --> 00:07:01,254 a bootlegger from Los Angeles 183 00:07:01,254 --> 00:07:03,356 who has a criminal record extending back 184 00:07:03,356 --> 00:07:05,158 to his youth in Sicily. 185 00:07:05,493 --> 00:07:08,929 Pagano introduces Coppola to Hoffa, 186 00:07:08,929 --> 00:07:11,932 and they become friends right away. (camera flash) 187 00:07:12,666 --> 00:07:15,769 Al: Frank Coppola associated with Santo Perrone, 188 00:07:15,769 --> 00:07:19,006 a Detroit Sicilian mobster 189 00:07:19,006 --> 00:07:22,409 who was known for providing goons and muscle 190 00:07:22,409 --> 00:07:25,312 to either unions or to businesses, 191 00:07:25,312 --> 00:07:27,515 again, playing both sides of the fence 192 00:07:27,515 --> 00:07:30,350 in various union battles in the 1930s. 193 00:07:30,518 --> 00:07:32,085 Dr. Buccellato: They come up with a plan. 194 00:07:32,085 --> 00:07:35,355 The Mob can provide muscle to back 195 00:07:35,355 --> 00:07:38,291 this union movement that is struggling. 196 00:07:38,291 --> 00:07:39,760 The odds are against them. 197 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,830 The Mob will offer access to muscle 198 00:07:42,830 --> 00:07:45,733 to defend the workers, to counterattack. 199 00:07:45,733 --> 00:07:46,767 Al: The Teamsters, at this time, 200 00:07:46,767 --> 00:07:48,669 were engaged in a brutal strike 201 00:07:48,669 --> 00:07:50,871 with the Kroger's Supermarket chain, 202 00:07:50,871 --> 00:07:52,139 people being shot, 203 00:07:52,139 --> 00:07:53,541 heads being busted, 204 00:07:53,541 --> 00:07:56,309 and supposedly, Hoffa asked his new friend, 205 00:07:56,309 --> 00:07:58,011 Santo Perrone, 206 00:07:58,011 --> 00:08:02,115 to hold his goons back and not help Kroger 207 00:08:02,115 --> 00:08:04,818 while the Teamsters tried to fight this struggle. 208 00:08:04,818 --> 00:08:08,255 Dan: The old adage about Hoffa was that 209 00:08:08,255 --> 00:08:10,190 he wound up going to the Mob 210 00:08:10,190 --> 00:08:14,828 because he was trying to use them 211 00:08:14,828 --> 00:08:17,230 to go after stubborn employers 212 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:18,566 who refuse to be unionized. 213 00:08:18,566 --> 00:08:22,302 In fact, he used theMob to go after the CIO, 214 00:08:22,302 --> 00:08:24,404 which was raiding the Teamsters' turf in Detroit. 215 00:08:24,404 --> 00:08:26,574 (suspense music) 216 00:08:26,574 --> 00:08:29,076 Al: I think Jimmy Hoffa used the Mafia 217 00:08:29,076 --> 00:08:30,911 and other organized crime 218 00:08:30,911 --> 00:08:33,581 the same way he used everybody else. 219 00:08:33,581 --> 00:08:36,584 He was always the smartest guy in the room, 220 00:08:36,584 --> 00:08:41,354 and I think to say thatthe Mob controlled him 221 00:08:41,354 --> 00:08:44,592 or controlled theTeamsters is misleading. 222 00:08:44,592 --> 00:08:45,759 Dr. Russell: There's no evidence 223 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:47,595 that he was ever beholden to them. 224 00:08:47,595 --> 00:08:50,363 There's no evidence that they ever dominated his unions. 225 00:08:51,198 --> 00:08:53,200 Dr. Buccellato: I don't think someone like Jimmy Hoffa 226 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,602 makes a decision that, 227 00:08:54,602 --> 00:08:56,369 "Well, I'm going to become a racketeer." 228 00:08:56,369 --> 00:08:59,306 Rather, it's an organic response. 229 00:08:59,707 --> 00:09:03,010 Hoffa has an opportunity here 230 00:09:03,010 --> 00:09:06,614 to secure some type of defense 231 00:09:06,614 --> 00:09:08,448 on behalf of his workers 232 00:09:08,448 --> 00:09:11,284 by forming various partnerships 233 00:09:11,284 --> 00:09:13,486 with members of the underworld. 234 00:09:13,486 --> 00:09:15,956 George: Jimmy Hoffa recognized,"This is the way to go. 235 00:09:15,956 --> 00:09:17,625 "This is the way to rise to the top, 236 00:09:17,625 --> 00:09:19,426 "and you got to get in bed with these guys, 237 00:09:19,426 --> 00:09:21,629 "and they're going to benefit and I'm going to benefit." 238 00:09:21,629 --> 00:09:23,163 Not complicated at all. 239 00:09:23,230 --> 00:09:24,632 Al: One of the most stunning claims 240 00:09:24,632 --> 00:09:26,233 about Hoffa and the Teamsters 241 00:09:26,233 --> 00:09:28,535 is that they were integral to the development 242 00:09:28,535 --> 00:09:31,004 of the global heroin trade. 243 00:09:31,004 --> 00:09:33,440 Teamster trucks and locals may have been used 244 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,044 to help flood the United States with Sicilian heroin 245 00:09:37,044 --> 00:09:39,312 in aftermath of World War II. 246 00:09:39,546 --> 00:09:42,650 And it all centered aroundHoffa's first friend in the Mob, 247 00:09:42,650 --> 00:09:44,084 Frank Coppola. 248 00:09:44,084 --> 00:09:47,387 Dr. Buccellato: A number ofcongressional committee reports 249 00:09:47,387 --> 00:09:51,524 documented the relationship between Coppola and Hoffa 250 00:09:51,524 --> 00:09:52,760 and the Teamsters. 251 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,929 Now Coppola is a reallyinteresting character. 252 00:09:55,929 --> 00:09:57,330 He's a bootlegger in Los Angeles. 253 00:09:57,898 --> 00:10:01,334 He is a human trafficker in Mexico. 254 00:10:01,334 --> 00:10:04,271 He is a labor racketeer in Detroit. 255 00:10:04,271 --> 00:10:06,239 He's running drugs out of Cuba. 256 00:10:06,239 --> 00:10:07,675 He's all over the place. 257 00:10:07,675 --> 00:10:12,713 The United Statesdeports Coppola in 1948. 258 00:10:12,713 --> 00:10:15,482 Communist Party is popular in Italy. 259 00:10:15,482 --> 00:10:18,518 The labor unions are gaining strength in Italy, 260 00:10:18,518 --> 00:10:23,223 and the U.S. State Department has a very real concern 261 00:10:23,223 --> 00:10:26,393 that Italy will fall into communist hands. 262 00:10:26,393 --> 00:10:30,664 And back in Sicily, he's a political power broker. 263 00:10:30,664 --> 00:10:33,967 He has unique connections to Italian senators. 264 00:10:34,167 --> 00:10:39,472 His brother is a powerfulmember of the clergy in Sicily. 265 00:10:39,740 --> 00:10:41,641 Al: Even before the Nazis surrendered, 266 00:10:41,641 --> 00:10:43,210 the Cold War was begining, 267 00:10:43,210 --> 00:10:46,046 and the U.S. government was making deals with criminals 268 00:10:46,046 --> 00:10:48,115 in former Fascism Europe 269 00:10:48,115 --> 00:10:50,517 to help fight a dirty war against communism. 270 00:10:50,650 --> 00:10:54,354 In Italy, this was knownas Operation Gladio. 271 00:10:54,354 --> 00:10:56,757 Mafia boss of bosses, Lucky Luciano, 272 00:10:56,757 --> 00:10:58,726 was working with the U.S. government, 273 00:10:58,726 --> 00:11:02,830 and so was Jimmy Hoffa's old friend, Frank Coppola. 274 00:11:02,830 --> 00:11:03,964 (sinister music) 275 00:11:03,964 --> 00:11:06,166 Dan: Coppola and Luciano got together 276 00:11:06,166 --> 00:11:08,535 and created a drug network. 277 00:11:08,535 --> 00:11:11,471 From Montreal, there were two routes. 278 00:11:11,471 --> 00:11:13,473 One was straight South into New York, 279 00:11:13,473 --> 00:11:14,942 where it was handled by 280 00:11:14,942 --> 00:11:17,310 a guy from the Bonanno crime family, 281 00:11:17,310 --> 00:11:19,847 a guy named Carmine Galante, 282 00:11:19,847 --> 00:11:26,820 and then across Canada, overthe Detroit River into Detroit. 283 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:29,356 Dr. Buccellato: Congressional committee reports identified 284 00:11:29,356 --> 00:11:33,660 Priziola and Quasarano as two of the most significant 285 00:11:33,660 --> 00:11:36,797 and important drug traffickers in North America. 286 00:11:36,797 --> 00:11:38,966 Dan: And Jimmy Hoffa, inorder to give these guys 287 00:11:38,966 --> 00:11:40,801 a facade of legitimacy, 288 00:11:40,801 --> 00:11:44,004 he set up a dummy local for them, 289 00:11:44,004 --> 00:11:46,473 Teamsters local forthem to operate out of. 290 00:11:46,473 --> 00:11:48,776 Dr. Buccellato: And the evidence suggests 291 00:11:48,776 --> 00:11:51,011 that for quite some time, 292 00:11:51,011 --> 00:11:54,581 New York Mafiosi were buying their heroin 293 00:11:54,581 --> 00:11:56,817 from the Detroit suppliers. 294 00:11:56,817 --> 00:11:59,953 Did Hoffa know about thenarcotics trafficking? 295 00:11:59,953 --> 00:12:01,654 I can't prove that. 296 00:12:01,654 --> 00:12:05,492 I suspect that someone as smart as Hoffa 297 00:12:05,492 --> 00:12:10,030 would not want to knowabout what was going on, 298 00:12:10,030 --> 00:12:14,434 but I've interviewed retired federal agents from FBN, 299 00:12:15,202 --> 00:12:17,304 and they contend that within their offices, 300 00:12:17,304 --> 00:12:19,406 it was well known that the Teamsters 301 00:12:19,406 --> 00:12:21,408 were protecting these drug traffickers. 302 00:12:21,408 --> 00:12:23,877 (suspense music) 303 00:12:23,877 --> 00:12:26,246 Al: In 1952, Dave Beck became 304 00:12:26,246 --> 00:12:27,948 the new president of the Teamsters, 305 00:12:27,948 --> 00:12:30,851 and Jimmy Hoffa became vice president. 306 00:12:30,851 --> 00:12:32,519 This was the peak moment 307 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:34,988 for the union movement in the United States, 308 00:12:34,988 --> 00:12:37,825 the most members, the strongest voice, 309 00:12:37,825 --> 00:12:39,292 the most power. 310 00:12:39,392 --> 00:12:42,930 Dr. Russell: And government leaders and business leaders 311 00:12:42,930 --> 00:12:44,431 both wanted to curb that. 312 00:12:44,431 --> 00:12:46,499 They wanted to curb the union movement. 313 00:12:46,499 --> 00:12:49,970 And it's crucial to understand that that period 314 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:53,941 coincided with the risein labor regulation, 315 00:12:53,941 --> 00:12:55,608 especially from the federal government. 316 00:12:55,608 --> 00:12:57,845 So in the '30s, when Hoffa was coming up, 317 00:12:57,845 --> 00:13:00,848 he was faced with constant competition from other unions, 318 00:13:00,848 --> 00:13:03,016 which forced him to bemilitant and accountable 319 00:13:03,016 --> 00:13:04,217 to his members. 320 00:13:04,217 --> 00:13:06,253 It forced him to be a good union leader. 321 00:13:06,253 --> 00:13:09,389 By the 1950s, it was all but impossible 322 00:13:09,389 --> 00:13:11,358 for unions to compete against one another. 323 00:13:11,558 --> 00:13:15,495 Al: So now with no outside elements left to fight, 324 00:13:15,495 --> 00:13:17,931 Jimmy Hoffa turns his attentions inward. 325 00:13:17,931 --> 00:13:21,168 He goes after his own president, Dave Beck. 326 00:13:21,869 --> 00:13:26,139 And Hoffa makes a deal with some really bad people, 327 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:28,675 (sinister music) 328 00:13:28,675 --> 00:13:32,045 including a New York racketeer named Johnny Dio. 329 00:13:32,045 --> 00:13:33,480 Dio was infamous. 330 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,116 He had been implicated in an acid attack 331 00:13:36,116 --> 00:13:38,718 on crusading journalist,Victor Riesel, 332 00:13:38,718 --> 00:13:40,220 where acid was thrown in his face 333 00:13:40,220 --> 00:13:42,155 and he was blinded permanently. 334 00:13:42,489 --> 00:13:44,124 George: Did theAmerican labor movement 335 00:13:44,124 --> 00:13:45,725 go off track to a certain degree? 336 00:13:45,725 --> 00:13:46,927 Yeah, for sure, it did. 337 00:13:46,927 --> 00:13:48,461 But did corporate America go off track? 338 00:13:48,461 --> 00:13:49,562 Sure, it did. 339 00:13:50,497 --> 00:13:52,332 It's almost a human condition 340 00:13:52,332 --> 00:13:53,666 when you've got that much power, 341 00:13:53,666 --> 00:13:55,535 that much status, that much wealth. 342 00:13:56,003 --> 00:13:59,472 Al: So meanwhile, Hoffa has an un-yet known nemesis 343 00:13:59,472 --> 00:14:02,675 crisscrossing the country trying to bring him down, 344 00:14:02,675 --> 00:14:03,911 Bobby Kennedy, 345 00:14:03,911 --> 00:14:06,079 who's working for John McClellan, 346 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:08,815 a senator running a Senate investigation 347 00:14:08,815 --> 00:14:11,084 into labor and union corruption. 348 00:14:11,084 --> 00:14:13,586 Dr. Russell: The McClellan hearings was also a means 349 00:14:13,586 --> 00:14:16,689 through which to attackthe union movement 350 00:14:16,689 --> 00:14:18,926 in terms of public relations, 351 00:14:18,926 --> 00:14:22,129 that the movement was full of goons and criminals, 352 00:14:22,129 --> 00:14:23,330 people like Jimmy Hoffa, 353 00:14:23,330 --> 00:14:25,165 and that's really the purpose it served. 354 00:14:25,165 --> 00:14:26,833 Al: Hoffa knew he was next to be called 355 00:14:26,833 --> 00:14:28,435 in front of the Senate, 356 00:14:28,435 --> 00:14:29,970 but he had a plan. 357 00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:33,606 He tried to plant a spy right inside Bobby Kennedy's office. 358 00:14:33,606 --> 00:14:35,442 Dan: Hoffa, trying to keep tabs 359 00:14:35,442 --> 00:14:38,211 on what the Senate committee was doing, 360 00:14:38,211 --> 00:14:41,681 was introduced to a guynamed John Cye Cheasty. 361 00:14:41,681 --> 00:14:43,350 Cheasty was an honest guy, 362 00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:44,985 and he went to Bobby Kennedy's people, 363 00:14:44,985 --> 00:14:46,786 and he said, "Listen, Jimmy Hoffa has come to me 364 00:14:46,786 --> 00:14:48,321 "and made me this offer." 365 00:14:48,321 --> 00:14:50,958 Al: So Kennedy and Cheasty set Hoffa up. 366 00:14:50,958 --> 00:14:53,426 When he goes to pass themoney off to Cheasty, 367 00:14:53,426 --> 00:14:55,362 the FBI is there to arrest him. 368 00:14:55,562 --> 00:14:57,564 Dan: He gives the documents to Jimmy Hoffa. 369 00:14:57,564 --> 00:15:00,000 Jimmy Hoffa gives him the money. 370 00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:04,037 This is all memorialized on film, 371 00:15:04,037 --> 00:15:08,675 and Hoffa is indicted,charged with extortion. 372 00:15:08,675 --> 00:15:11,044 Keith: He was represented by Edward Bennett Williams, 373 00:15:11,044 --> 00:15:14,547 who was the premiere criminal defense attorney in America. 374 00:15:16,183 --> 00:15:18,885 He, being Williams, arranged to have 375 00:15:18,885 --> 00:15:21,021 Joe Lewis sit in the front row. 376 00:15:21,021 --> 00:15:24,391 And when the juryselection was going on, 377 00:15:24,391 --> 00:15:26,493 he shook hands with Joe Lewis. 378 00:15:26,493 --> 00:15:28,328 It's difficult again today 379 00:15:28,328 --> 00:15:31,164 to go back to realize what a symbol 380 00:15:31,164 --> 00:15:34,267 to the African-Americancommunity Joe Lewis was 381 00:15:34,267 --> 00:15:36,136 in the '50s and the '60s, 382 00:15:36,136 --> 00:15:38,338 and this was a carefullyorchestrated event 383 00:15:38,338 --> 00:15:41,108 to give Jimmy Hoffa some credibility. 384 00:15:41,108 --> 00:15:43,010 Dan: The jury comes out, 385 00:15:43,576 --> 00:15:46,579 and sure enough, Jimmy Hoffa is acquitted. 386 00:15:46,579 --> 00:15:50,150 Al: August of '57, fresh off his victory at trial, 387 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:52,052 Jimmy Hoffa is finally called 388 00:15:52,052 --> 00:15:55,188 in front of the McClellan Committee on Labor Corruption, 389 00:15:55,188 --> 00:15:57,390 and he and Bobby Kennedy go at it. 390 00:15:57,390 --> 00:16:01,461 Dan: The hatred between Bobby Kennedy and Jimmy Hoffa 391 00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:03,663 was of mythical proportions. 392 00:16:03,663 --> 00:16:04,864 Dr. Russell: Kennedy really had 393 00:16:04,864 --> 00:16:06,566 a paternalist image of the world. 394 00:16:06,566 --> 00:16:09,536 He was a wealthy boy who was raised 395 00:16:09,536 --> 00:16:11,871 with this idea of noblesse oblige, 396 00:16:11,871 --> 00:16:13,340 the idea that the wealthy 397 00:16:13,340 --> 00:16:15,642 are obligated to help their lessers. 398 00:16:16,276 --> 00:16:19,046 He had to remove the dictators who were oppressing 399 00:16:19,046 --> 00:16:20,513 the people of the Third World. 400 00:16:20,513 --> 00:16:22,782 He had to remove the dictators from within the unions 401 00:16:22,782 --> 00:16:24,284 who were oppressing the working class, 402 00:16:24,284 --> 00:16:25,718 like Jimmy Hoffa. 403 00:16:26,053 --> 00:16:28,755 Al: I think Bobby Kennedy saw all this as a chance 404 00:16:28,755 --> 00:16:31,324 to get himself some national exposure, 405 00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:34,627 probably at his father, Joe Kennedy's suggestion. 406 00:16:35,228 --> 00:16:37,430 By creating a mythology of Hoffa 407 00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:39,599 being so dangerous to America, 408 00:16:39,599 --> 00:16:42,269 a tactic he learned at the feet of Joe McCarthy, 409 00:16:42,269 --> 00:16:44,737 who was actually a family friend of the Kennedys, 410 00:16:44,737 --> 00:16:48,341 he made himself into ahero protecting America 411 00:16:48,341 --> 00:16:51,078 from the bad men like Jimmy Hoffa. 412 00:16:51,544 --> 00:16:53,880 Dan: Bobby Kennedythought that Jimmy Hoffa 413 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,816 was an enemy of orthodox society. 414 00:16:57,084 --> 00:17:01,154 He believed that withHoffa having the ability 415 00:17:01,154 --> 00:17:04,424 to shut down thiscountry with his control 416 00:17:04,424 --> 00:17:06,393 over the trucking union 417 00:17:06,393 --> 00:17:08,261 that he was a national security threat. 418 00:17:08,261 --> 00:17:09,462 (sinister music) 419 00:17:09,462 --> 00:17:11,498 and he believed that Hoffa's association 420 00:17:11,498 --> 00:17:12,699 with organized crime 421 00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:15,568 just quadrupled thethreat to this country. 422 00:17:15,702 --> 00:17:18,004 Consequently, Jimmy Hoffa was a person 423 00:17:18,004 --> 00:17:19,572 who had to be stopped. 424 00:17:19,639 --> 00:17:21,841 Dr. Russell: He was alsoa very Christian man, 425 00:17:21,841 --> 00:17:25,278 with the idea that the holy should save and redeem 426 00:17:25,278 --> 00:17:28,815 and uplift those who have not been saved. 427 00:17:28,915 --> 00:17:33,820 He saw the whole world as a group of people 428 00:17:33,820 --> 00:17:35,788 inferior to himself 429 00:17:35,788 --> 00:17:38,158 who needed to be raised to his level. 430 00:17:38,158 --> 00:17:40,227 (suspense music) 431 00:17:40,527 --> 00:17:41,994 (dramatic music) 432 00:17:41,994 --> 00:17:43,730 Dr. Buccellato: I don't think Hoffa ever viewed himself 433 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:44,964 as a racketeer. 434 00:17:44,964 --> 00:17:47,634 In fact, to the extent that he acknowledged 435 00:17:47,634 --> 00:17:50,337 his relationships with the underworld, 436 00:17:50,337 --> 00:17:53,573 he was actually unapologetic about it. 437 00:17:53,573 --> 00:17:55,007 Robert Kennedy: Did you say, 438 00:17:55,007 --> 00:17:57,144 "That SOB, I'll break his back?" 439 00:17:57,144 --> 00:17:57,977 Jimmy Hoffa: Who? 440 00:17:57,977 --> 00:17:59,011 Robert Kennedy: You. 441 00:17:59,011 --> 00:17:59,979 Jimmy Hoffa: Say it to who? 442 00:17:59,979 --> 00:18:01,348 Robert Kennedy: To anyone. 443 00:18:01,348 --> 00:18:03,350 Did you make that statement after these people 444 00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:05,152 testified before the committee? 445 00:18:05,152 --> 00:18:07,220 Whose back were you going to break, Mr. Hoffa? 446 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:08,455 Jimmy Hoffa: Figurative speech. 447 00:18:08,455 --> 00:18:09,722 I don't even know who I was talking about, 448 00:18:09,722 --> 00:18:11,291 and I don't know what you're talking about. 449 00:18:11,358 --> 00:18:14,761 Al: As for Bobby, his father, Joe's money and influence, 450 00:18:14,761 --> 00:18:16,663 were the only reason the Kennedy brothers 451 00:18:16,663 --> 00:18:19,166 were such rising stars on the political scene 452 00:18:19,166 --> 00:18:21,000 at such a young age. 453 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,203 Dr. Russell: The federal government really had no business 454 00:18:23,203 --> 00:18:24,437 in intervening in that. 455 00:18:24,437 --> 00:18:26,173 But Bobby Kennedy saw to it anyway, 456 00:18:26,173 --> 00:18:27,640 and in many ways, 457 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,310 he and the Democratic leadership, 458 00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:32,245 with the CIO leadership, 459 00:18:32,245 --> 00:18:35,182 really put a web of constraints about, 460 00:18:35,182 --> 00:18:36,449 around the labor movement 461 00:18:36,449 --> 00:18:38,985 that destroyed labor activism. 462 00:18:43,556 --> 00:18:46,426 Al: Some of his close associates claimed 463 00:18:46,426 --> 00:18:50,497 he would write a check to the boss and archdiocese, 464 00:18:50,497 --> 00:18:52,532 say, for a million dollars. 465 00:18:52,532 --> 00:18:55,968 The archdiocese would take 900,000 in cash 466 00:18:55,968 --> 00:18:57,837 from the parishioners' contributions 467 00:18:57,837 --> 00:18:59,306 and give it to Kennedy. 468 00:18:59,306 --> 00:19:02,209 Kennedy then could write off his million dollar donation, 469 00:19:02,209 --> 00:19:05,212 and he had 900,000 in cash to pass around 470 00:19:05,212 --> 00:19:06,346 and grease palms 471 00:19:06,346 --> 00:19:07,814 to help his two sons get elected. 472 00:19:07,814 --> 00:19:09,015 (suspense music) 473 00:19:09,015 --> 00:19:11,951 So it must have been a real bitter pill 474 00:19:11,951 --> 00:19:13,853 for Jimmy Hoffa to swallow 475 00:19:13,853 --> 00:19:16,423 to sit in front of that Senate committee 476 00:19:16,423 --> 00:19:17,990 and be browbeaten (sinister music) 477 00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:20,793 by the likes of the son of Joe Kennedy. 478 00:19:22,962 --> 00:19:24,564 The hearings eventually ended, 479 00:19:24,564 --> 00:19:27,334 and Teamster president,Dave Beck, got indicted 480 00:19:27,334 --> 00:19:28,668 and sent to prison, 481 00:19:28,668 --> 00:19:31,704 and Jimmy Hoffa became Teamsters president. 482 00:19:32,605 --> 00:19:34,874 So now, Jimmy Hoffa has the power, 483 00:19:34,874 --> 00:19:36,108 and it's time to pay back 484 00:19:36,108 --> 00:19:37,777 the people who helped him get there, 485 00:19:37,777 --> 00:19:40,012 and one of the ways he could do that 486 00:19:40,012 --> 00:19:42,349 was with the Teamsters pension fund. 487 00:19:42,615 --> 00:19:47,053 Dan: Which was operated by a hastily thrown together 488 00:19:47,053 --> 00:19:49,389 insurance company called Union Casualty, 489 00:19:49,389 --> 00:19:52,058 which was run by a guy named Paul Dorfman 490 00:19:52,259 --> 00:19:54,261 and his son, Allan Dorfman. 491 00:19:54,261 --> 00:19:56,963 Keith: Huge amounts of the Las Vegas Strip 492 00:19:56,963 --> 00:20:00,533 were financed with loans from the Central State Pension fund 493 00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:03,270 which was under thecontrol of Jimmy Hoffa. 494 00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:05,905 Al: The Tropicana, the Circus Circus, 495 00:20:05,905 --> 00:20:07,907 the Aladdin, Caesars Palace, 496 00:20:07,907 --> 00:20:10,810 the Hacienda, the Stardust, the Fremont, 497 00:20:10,810 --> 00:20:13,613 all of them funded withTeamster pension money 498 00:20:13,613 --> 00:20:14,947 and all of them mobbed up. 499 00:20:14,947 --> 00:20:16,383 (sinister music) 500 00:20:16,383 --> 00:20:17,417 Dr. Russell: So what gets lost in all of this talk 501 00:20:17,417 --> 00:20:18,951 about the Teamster's pensions 502 00:20:18,951 --> 00:20:22,755 and how it went to Las Vegas and other Mafia endeavors, 503 00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:24,624 which is all true, 504 00:20:24,924 --> 00:20:29,228 it is also true their pensions were tremendous. 505 00:20:29,228 --> 00:20:31,431 They were much higher than they would have been 506 00:20:31,431 --> 00:20:32,999 have Hoffa not existed. 507 00:20:33,132 --> 00:20:34,867 Even during his corrupt phase, 508 00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:36,769 they were getting very wealthy pensions. 509 00:20:36,769 --> 00:20:38,771 They were getting wagesthat were far higher 510 00:20:38,771 --> 00:20:41,073 than truck drivers weremaking 20 years earlier. 511 00:20:41,608 --> 00:20:46,112 Jimmy Hoffa: Nobody in this country respects what's weak, 512 00:20:46,112 --> 00:20:47,680 you believe me. 513 00:20:47,847 --> 00:20:50,583 But because we are financially solid, 514 00:20:50,583 --> 00:20:52,685 because we do have an organization 515 00:20:52,685 --> 00:20:55,488 that is equipped to handle any situation 516 00:20:55,488 --> 00:20:57,490 that comes in front of us, 517 00:20:57,924 --> 00:21:00,360 we're successful in getting from the employers 518 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:03,195 what our members want and need with our strengths. 519 00:21:03,195 --> 00:21:05,598 George: Chicago,Cleveland, Kansas City, 520 00:21:05,598 --> 00:21:06,599 they would rack the money up 521 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:08,701 depending on which mob families 522 00:21:08,701 --> 00:21:10,937 had a piece of that particular casino. 523 00:21:10,937 --> 00:21:14,106 The number varies from 12 million to 20 million a year, 524 00:21:14,106 --> 00:21:17,143 from six casinos to 10 casinos, however many. 525 00:21:17,143 --> 00:21:19,512 Al: The Jewish Dorfman was a towering figure 526 00:21:19,512 --> 00:21:21,080 in organized crime 527 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,815 and wasn't afraid of violence. 528 00:21:22,815 --> 00:21:27,354 Dan: I got an anonymouscall to meet a source 529 00:21:27,787 --> 00:21:30,357 who's going to give me information about Dorfman. 530 00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:33,993 Broad daylight, public place, I'd even hesitate to go, 531 00:21:33,993 --> 00:21:37,430 and I got jumped there and I got really ... 532 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:39,198 It was the worstbeating I've ever taken. 533 00:21:39,198 --> 00:21:41,401 George: A lot of them were prosecuted. 534 00:21:41,401 --> 00:21:43,035 A lot of the guys who were involved in this 535 00:21:43,035 --> 00:21:44,904 were indicted and went to jail, 536 00:21:44,904 --> 00:21:47,374 but it was all about cooking the books. 537 00:21:47,374 --> 00:21:49,376 Al: The story of Allan Dorfman in Las Vegas 538 00:21:49,376 --> 00:21:53,145 was dramatized in Martin Scorcese's movie, "Casino," 539 00:21:53,145 --> 00:21:56,115 and Dorfman himself wasgunned down in Chicago 540 00:21:56,115 --> 00:21:57,750 in the early 1980s. 541 00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:59,386 Newscaster: Here inChicago this afternoon, 542 00:21:59,386 --> 00:22:02,789 Allan Dorfman, a man withreported ties to organized crime 543 00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:05,392 and to the Teamsters union for the past 30 years, 544 00:22:05,392 --> 00:22:07,760 was shot to death in what police are describing 545 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,629 as a gangland-style execution. 546 00:22:09,629 --> 00:22:11,063 Voiceover: Dorfman died here 547 00:22:11,063 --> 00:22:12,665 in a suburban Chicago parking lot 548 00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:16,403 from as many as seven 22-calibergunshot wounds to the head. 549 00:22:16,403 --> 00:22:18,170 Reporter: Dorfman was about to go to prison 550 00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:19,406 for his conviction last month 551 00:22:19,406 --> 00:22:21,641 in the Teamsters briberyconspiracy trial. 552 00:22:22,409 --> 00:22:26,546 (triumphant music) 553 00:22:26,546 --> 00:22:27,747 Voiceover: From his stronghold 554 00:22:27,747 --> 00:22:29,616 in the wild Sierra Maestra mountains, 555 00:22:29,616 --> 00:22:31,818 Cuba's Fidel Castro emerged triumphant 556 00:22:31,818 --> 00:22:33,420 after two years of guerilla warfare 557 00:22:33,420 --> 00:22:35,021 against the Batista regime. 558 00:22:35,021 --> 00:22:37,790 Al: In the late '50s, Jimmy Hoffa got himself mixed up 559 00:22:37,790 --> 00:22:42,294 in the deepest levels of America's secret politics. 560 00:22:42,294 --> 00:22:44,797 When Fidel Castro seized power in Cuba, 561 00:22:44,797 --> 00:22:47,667 Dwight Eisenhower told the CIA to kill him. 562 00:22:47,667 --> 00:22:50,437 But of course, this waseasier said than done 563 00:22:50,437 --> 00:22:52,439 because the hit could never be linked back 564 00:22:52,439 --> 00:22:53,940 to the U.S. government. 565 00:22:53,940 --> 00:22:59,311 So, unbelievably, theCIA contacted the Mafia 566 00:22:59,311 --> 00:23:01,481 to help them kill Fidel Castro. 567 00:23:01,481 --> 00:23:04,083 Mob bosses like Santo Trafficante, 568 00:23:04,083 --> 00:23:06,653 Carlos Marcello,and Meyer Lansky 569 00:23:06,653 --> 00:23:08,621 had lost tens of millions of dollars 570 00:23:08,621 --> 00:23:10,857 when Castro seized power, 571 00:23:10,857 --> 00:23:13,159 and they were the onesthat had the connections 572 00:23:13,159 --> 00:23:15,194 to the Cuban exile community 573 00:23:15,194 --> 00:23:18,030 that could help the CIA get poison in 574 00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:20,933 or get an assassin and take Castro out. 575 00:23:21,133 --> 00:23:24,604 The CIA's first contact with the Mob 576 00:23:24,604 --> 00:23:26,873 may well have been through Jimmy Hoffa. 577 00:23:26,873 --> 00:23:30,977 During this time, Hoffa's right-hand man, Rolland McMaster, 578 00:23:30,977 --> 00:23:33,145 a high-ranking Teamster official, 579 00:23:33,145 --> 00:23:34,514 went down to Florida, 580 00:23:34,514 --> 00:23:36,583 set up a Teamster office in Miami, 581 00:23:36,583 --> 00:23:38,751 which was full of Cuban exiles, 582 00:23:38,751 --> 00:23:41,488 was a hotbed of anti-Castro activity. 583 00:23:41,488 --> 00:23:44,190 And right inside the Teamster office in Miami, 584 00:23:44,190 --> 00:23:45,792 Santo Trafficante, 585 00:23:45,792 --> 00:23:48,160 one of the most powerful mob bosses in the country, 586 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,662 had an office. 587 00:23:50,497 --> 00:23:52,799 Dan: A guy named Bob Mayhew came in, 588 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:54,934 was brought in to the plots 589 00:23:54,934 --> 00:23:57,103 by the head of Covert Operations 590 00:23:57,103 --> 00:23:59,238 for the Central Intelligence Agency. 591 00:23:59,238 --> 00:24:01,508 Al: Robert Mayhew, incidentally, 592 00:24:01,508 --> 00:24:03,409 was close friends and business partners 593 00:24:03,409 --> 00:24:06,979 with Jimmy Hoffa's old lawyer, Edward Bennett Williams, 594 00:24:06,979 --> 00:24:10,249 and shared office space with him back in Washington D.C. 595 00:24:10,550 --> 00:24:14,521 Dan: I interviewed Mayhew just a few blocks from here 596 00:24:14,521 --> 00:24:17,189 at the Georgetown Inn here in Washington. 597 00:24:17,624 --> 00:24:22,529 He told me that his job was to get to Santo Trafficante, 598 00:24:22,529 --> 00:24:24,096 who had been released from the Cuban prison 599 00:24:24,096 --> 00:24:25,832 after he had been imprisoned by Castro 600 00:24:25,832 --> 00:24:29,135 in April of '59. 601 00:24:30,670 --> 00:24:33,540 But Mayhew didn't know Trafficante. 602 00:24:33,540 --> 00:24:35,542 He knew that it was going to take a boss 603 00:24:35,542 --> 00:24:37,043 to deal with another boss, 604 00:24:37,043 --> 00:24:38,545 but he didn't know a boss. 605 00:24:38,545 --> 00:24:40,847 But he did know a guy named Johnny Roselli, 606 00:24:40,847 --> 00:24:43,616 and so Bob Mayhew workedwith Johnny Roselli, 607 00:24:43,616 --> 00:24:44,917 who brought in ... 608 00:24:44,917 --> 00:24:47,086 Johnny Roselli was a Chicago gangster, 609 00:24:47,086 --> 00:24:49,188 and so he bringsin Sam Giancana, 610 00:24:49,188 --> 00:24:52,792 who, at the time, was the acting boss in Chicago, 611 00:24:52,792 --> 00:24:55,728 and it was Sam Giancana who brings in Santo Trafficante 612 00:24:55,728 --> 00:24:59,298 into what becomes a CIA-Mafia plot to kill Castro. 613 00:24:59,732 --> 00:25:02,569 We have evidence to thefact that Jimmy Hoffa 614 00:25:02,569 --> 00:25:06,573 was the original liaison between the CIA and the Mafia 615 00:25:06,573 --> 00:25:08,575 and the Castro assassination plots 616 00:25:08,575 --> 00:25:11,343 during that period between December 1959 617 00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:13,245 and August of 1960, 618 00:25:13,245 --> 00:25:16,415 when Bob Mayhew becameinvolved in those plots. 619 00:25:16,415 --> 00:25:20,219 Al: While the CIA-mob plots to kill Castro obviously failed, 620 00:25:20,219 --> 00:25:22,922 they did have profound consequences, 621 00:25:22,922 --> 00:25:24,390 (sinister music)which likely culminated 622 00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:27,960 in the murder of President Kennedy in Dallas in 1963. 623 00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:30,630 The CIA's bungledmaneuvering had created 624 00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:32,665 a dangerous nexus of players, 625 00:25:32,665 --> 00:25:35,301 ranging from Hoffa and the Teamsters 626 00:25:35,301 --> 00:25:37,804 to Cuban dissidents, mob bosses, 627 00:25:37,804 --> 00:25:39,038 (camera click) 628 00:25:39,038 --> 00:25:41,608 and fringe characterslike Lee Harvey Oswald. 629 00:25:41,608 --> 00:25:44,143 Dan: So when Bobby Kennedy became Attorney General, 630 00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:47,413 he had a hit list oforganized crime figures 631 00:25:47,413 --> 00:25:51,383 and their associates whom he had targeted for prosecution, 632 00:25:51,383 --> 00:25:54,721 and number one on that hit list was Jimmy Hoffa. 633 00:25:54,721 --> 00:25:56,656 Al: Dan Moldea wrote the seminal book 634 00:25:56,656 --> 00:25:58,625 on Hoffa and the Teamsters 635 00:25:58,625 --> 00:26:02,394 right in the immediate aftermathof Hoffa's disappearance, 636 00:26:02,394 --> 00:26:05,097 and he is convinced thatNew Orleans mob boss, 637 00:26:05,097 --> 00:26:06,699 Carlos Marcello, 638 00:26:06,699 --> 00:26:09,101 who had his own run-inswith Bobby Kennedy, 639 00:26:09,101 --> 00:26:11,370 conspired with Hoffa and others 640 00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:14,040 to somehow manipulate Lee Harvey Oswald 641 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,042 into killing JFK 642 00:26:16,208 --> 00:26:20,412 and then had Mafia associate Jack Ruby kill Oswald 643 00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:21,347 (gunshot) 644 00:26:21,347 --> 00:26:22,649 before he could spill the story. 645 00:26:22,649 --> 00:26:23,650 Voiceover: He's been shot. 646 00:26:23,650 --> 00:26:25,151 He's been shot. 647 00:26:25,151 --> 00:26:27,253 Lee Oswald has been shot. 648 00:26:27,987 --> 00:26:32,058 Dan: That the murder of John Kennedy is a straight mob hit. 649 00:26:32,058 --> 00:26:36,295 Jimmy Hoffa, Carlos Marcello, Santo Trafficante 650 00:26:36,295 --> 00:26:37,797 arranged and executed the murder. 651 00:26:37,797 --> 00:26:40,166 Al: Marcello, Hoffa, and Trafficante 652 00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:41,868 did share the same lawyer, 653 00:26:41,868 --> 00:26:43,670 a guy named Frank Ragano, 654 00:26:43,670 --> 00:26:45,672 who made the claim years later, 655 00:26:45,672 --> 00:26:47,339 when he was trying to sell a book, 656 00:26:47,339 --> 00:26:49,909 (camera flash)that Hoffa had him carry 657 00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:54,981 the contract to kill JFK to Marcello and Trafficante. 658 00:26:54,981 --> 00:26:59,451 Dan: The mob guys were absolutely horrified 659 00:26:59,451 --> 00:27:00,920 as to what was going on, 660 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,488 saying that they were going to have to go back to Europe 661 00:27:02,488 --> 00:27:03,956 just to feed themselves, 662 00:27:03,956 --> 00:27:07,493 that Bobby Kennedy was just destroying their businesses, 663 00:27:07,493 --> 00:27:09,428 that they would die themselves 664 00:27:09,428 --> 00:27:12,198 if they could get rid of Bobby Kennedy as Attorney General. 665 00:27:12,198 --> 00:27:13,465 Al: I think the Kennedys 666 00:27:13,465 --> 00:27:15,735 were definitely playingboth sides of the fence 667 00:27:15,735 --> 00:27:17,737 when it came to organized crime. 668 00:27:17,737 --> 00:27:18,905 (sinister music) 669 00:27:18,905 --> 00:27:20,707 The FBI actually recorded a wiretap 670 00:27:20,707 --> 00:27:25,344 between Chicago mobsters Sam Giancana and Johnny Roselli 671 00:27:25,344 --> 00:27:29,782 that their donation to JFK's campaign had been accepted 672 00:27:29,782 --> 00:27:31,617 but that Bobby Kennedy wouldn't let up 673 00:27:31,617 --> 00:27:32,952 on them and their friends. 674 00:27:32,952 --> 00:27:34,320 (suspense music) 675 00:27:34,787 --> 00:27:37,489 (dramatic music) 676 00:27:37,489 --> 00:27:39,959 It was his fourth criminal trial in 10 years, 677 00:27:39,959 --> 00:27:43,095 but this time, Bobby Kennedy had a new trick up his sleeve. 678 00:27:43,095 --> 00:27:45,397 He had a mole inside Hoffa's camp 679 00:27:45,397 --> 00:27:48,467 that was feeding him informationas the trial was going on. 680 00:27:48,467 --> 00:27:49,568 Dan: The person who ended up 681 00:27:49,568 --> 00:27:51,738 being the key government witness 682 00:27:51,738 --> 00:27:55,607 against Jimmy Hoffa was a guy named Ed Grady Partin 683 00:27:55,607 --> 00:27:58,277 from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, Local Five. 684 00:27:58,277 --> 00:27:59,879 He was a Teamster official. 685 00:27:59,879 --> 00:28:04,416 And Ed Partin had knowledge of the fixing of the jury. 686 00:28:04,416 --> 00:28:06,518 In fact, when he calledthe Justice Department 687 00:28:06,518 --> 00:28:08,154 and spoke with Walter Sheridan, 688 00:28:08,154 --> 00:28:09,521 who was the head of Bobby Kennedy's 689 00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:10,923 "Get Hoffa Squad," 690 00:28:10,923 --> 00:28:14,260 he said flat out, "Hoffa is fixing to fix the jury." 691 00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:17,629 Al: The problem with all this was Ed Partin himself. 692 00:28:17,629 --> 00:28:20,232 Partin supplied Kennedywith the inside info 693 00:28:20,232 --> 00:28:22,902 to convict Hoffa on jury tampering, 694 00:28:22,902 --> 00:28:27,006 but Partin was a guy who've been arrested for everything, 695 00:28:27,006 --> 00:28:30,276 from manslaughter toembezzling union funds, 696 00:28:30,276 --> 00:28:34,280 and he was actually outon bail for those crimes 697 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,582 when he miraculously saw the light 698 00:28:36,582 --> 00:28:38,617 and decided to help get Hoffa. 699 00:28:38,617 --> 00:28:39,786 Dan: And one of the reasons 700 00:28:39,786 --> 00:28:41,420 why Ed Partin had stepped forward 701 00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:44,590 was because Jimmy Hoffa had told him 702 00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:46,793 that he was planning to kill Bobby Kennedy. 703 00:28:47,093 --> 00:28:49,395 When Walter Sheridanheard this information, 704 00:28:49,395 --> 00:28:51,397 they immediately put him on a polygraph, 705 00:28:51,964 --> 00:28:54,066 not just about thejury tampering business 706 00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:55,601 but about the attempted, 707 00:28:55,601 --> 00:28:58,370 the plot to murder Bobby Kennedy. 708 00:28:58,504 --> 00:29:01,240 Ed Partin passed the polygraph test on everything, 709 00:29:01,607 --> 00:29:02,875 flying colors. 710 00:29:03,810 --> 00:29:07,546 September of 1962, another FBI informant 711 00:29:07,546 --> 00:29:10,649 was talking to a Mafia guy named Carlos Marcello, 712 00:29:10,649 --> 00:29:13,252 who probablycontrolled Jimmy Hoffa. 713 00:29:13,652 --> 00:29:17,123 And Marcello said, "We're not killing Bobby Kennedy 714 00:29:17,123 --> 00:29:20,860 "because everyone would know in two seconds who did it 715 00:29:20,860 --> 00:29:23,429 "if Bobby Kennedy was found dead. 716 00:29:23,429 --> 00:29:25,264 "We're going to kill the president, 717 00:29:25,264 --> 00:29:27,333 "the guy who controls Bobby Kennedy. 718 00:29:27,333 --> 00:29:28,534 "If you get rid of the president, 719 00:29:28,534 --> 00:29:29,902 "you get rid of Bobby Kennedy, 720 00:29:29,902 --> 00:29:31,904 "and we've got a guy to do the job." 721 00:29:32,004 --> 00:29:36,375 Marcello's partner, alter ego, Santo Trafficante, 722 00:29:36,375 --> 00:29:38,644 the Mafia boss of Tampa, Florida, 723 00:29:38,644 --> 00:29:41,247 was talking to another FBI informant 724 00:29:41,247 --> 00:29:42,882 named Jose Aleman, 725 00:29:42,882 --> 00:29:44,984 and he made it clearthat it was Jimmy Hoffa 726 00:29:44,984 --> 00:29:48,120 who was making the arrangementsfor the president's murder. 727 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,858 Al: In the weeks leading up to Kennedy and Oswald's murders, 728 00:29:51,858 --> 00:29:55,761 Jack Ruby had numerous phone calls 729 00:29:55,761 --> 00:30:00,366 with people like Teamster enforcer Barney Baker, 730 00:30:00,366 --> 00:30:02,268 who was suspected in many murders 731 00:30:02,268 --> 00:30:05,637 and had worked personally for Hoffa and Myer Lansky. 732 00:30:06,172 --> 00:30:07,539 (suspense music) 733 00:30:07,539 --> 00:30:11,810 So, was Jimmy Hoffa involved in a plot to kill JFK? 734 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:15,381 The Church Committee, which was a Senate investigation 735 00:30:15,381 --> 00:30:19,151 looking into U.S.intelligence operations, 736 00:30:19,151 --> 00:30:22,154 determined that Hoffa had the means, motive, 737 00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:25,424 and opportunity to helpkill John F. Kennedy. 738 00:30:26,192 --> 00:30:27,960 But that doesn't mean he did. 739 00:30:28,060 --> 00:30:29,295 (suspense music) 740 00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:34,733 Dan: It was determinedthat Hoffa had tampered 741 00:30:34,733 --> 00:30:36,768 with a member of the jury, 742 00:30:36,768 --> 00:30:41,040 and so he was re-indicted on charges of jury tampering, 743 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,675 for which he receivedan eight-year sentence. 744 00:30:44,143 --> 00:30:46,612 He was convicted on a second case in Chicago 745 00:30:46,612 --> 00:30:48,514 involving pension fraud, 746 00:30:48,514 --> 00:30:51,350 where he received another five years. 747 00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:54,353 So he was given a13-year prison sentence. 748 00:30:56,923 --> 00:31:01,928 (victorious music) 749 00:31:01,928 --> 00:31:03,695 Voiceover: With his raincoat covering handcuffs, 750 00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:07,166 Hoffa arrives at federal prisonin Lewisburg, Pennsylvania. 751 00:31:07,166 --> 00:31:09,135 He said his attorneyswould continue his fight 752 00:31:09,135 --> 00:31:10,569 while he's in jail. 753 00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:13,339 Parole is possible in 32 months. 754 00:31:13,439 --> 00:31:14,941 At $100,000 annually, 755 00:31:14,941 --> 00:31:17,843 he is the nation's highest paid prisoner. 756 00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:21,647 Al: So Jimmy Hoffa gets sent to Lewisburg Federal Prison. 757 00:31:21,948 --> 00:31:25,084 Things get even more complicated for Hoffa there 758 00:31:25,084 --> 00:31:27,954 because he's housed withGenovese mob captain, 759 00:31:27,954 --> 00:31:29,488 Tony Provenzano, 760 00:31:29,488 --> 00:31:32,824 who was also the president of a huge Teamster local 761 00:31:32,824 --> 00:31:34,726 in New Jersey at the time, 762 00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:38,097 and the two of them actually got into a fistfight, 763 00:31:38,097 --> 00:31:41,067 with Hoffa yelling, "It's guys like you 764 00:31:41,067 --> 00:31:43,569 "that got me in here in the first place." 765 00:31:43,569 --> 00:31:46,338 At the time all this is going on in prison, 766 00:31:46,338 --> 00:31:51,377 a national mob war is brewing out in the real world. 767 00:31:51,377 --> 00:31:55,581 Dan: 1964, '65, '66 was the Bonanno wars, 768 00:31:55,581 --> 00:31:57,816 Joe Bonanno's son, Bill Bonanno, 769 00:31:57,816 --> 00:32:01,287 deciding to whack three of the heads of the five families. 770 00:32:01,287 --> 00:32:02,654 (gunshots) 771 00:32:02,654 --> 00:32:05,557 Joe Bonanno wound up in Tucson, Arizona. 772 00:32:05,557 --> 00:32:07,726 And in Tucson, Arizona, 773 00:32:07,726 --> 00:32:11,097 he made a pact with two Southernorganized crime figures. 774 00:32:11,097 --> 00:32:14,866 One was Carlos Marcello, the Mafia boss of New Orleans, 775 00:32:14,866 --> 00:32:18,104 and the other was SantoTrafficante of Tampa. 776 00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:22,408 Al: If the Bonanno-Marcello-Trafficante Southern powers 777 00:32:22,408 --> 00:32:24,143 could control Hoffa, 778 00:32:24,143 --> 00:32:25,444 they probably could control 779 00:32:25,444 --> 00:32:28,380 the single biggest prize in the country, 780 00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:29,915 the Teamster pension fund, 781 00:32:29,915 --> 00:32:31,883 which was really the goose that was laying 782 00:32:31,883 --> 00:32:34,020 golden egg after golden egg. 783 00:32:35,021 --> 00:32:37,623 Ultimately, the Mafia commission patched up 784 00:32:37,623 --> 00:32:39,858 the rift between the Mafia families, 785 00:32:39,858 --> 00:32:42,928 and Jimmy Hoffa was left on the outside looking in 786 00:32:42,928 --> 00:32:46,098 but now with a newdeadly enemy in the form 787 00:32:46,098 --> 00:32:48,200 of Anthony "TonyPro" Provenzano. 788 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,501 (suspense music) 789 00:32:50,469 --> 00:32:51,703 Jimmy Hoffa: A murderer upstairs 790 00:32:51,703 --> 00:32:54,040 or a man with 50 years alongside of you. 791 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,476 And when you're trying to sleep under those conditions, 792 00:32:57,476 --> 00:32:59,678 unless you have a tremendous willpower, 793 00:32:59,678 --> 00:33:02,048 you're constantly one eye open, 794 00:33:02,048 --> 00:33:03,882 looking to see whether or not you'll survive the night 795 00:33:03,882 --> 00:33:05,051 for the next day. 796 00:33:05,317 --> 00:33:10,789 (clapping) (jolly music) 797 00:33:30,642 --> 00:33:34,580 Dr. Russell: From the1930s through the 1970s, 798 00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:36,615 most unions were giving their money, 799 00:33:36,615 --> 00:33:38,517 their campaign money to Democrats. 800 00:33:38,517 --> 00:33:41,087 Hoffa gave his money to whomever would help 801 00:33:41,087 --> 00:33:42,754 the Teamsters and himself, 802 00:33:42,754 --> 00:33:44,556 and so sometimes he gavehis money to Democrats, 803 00:33:44,556 --> 00:33:45,791 sometimes to Republicans. 804 00:33:45,791 --> 00:33:48,394 By the early 1970s, when he was in prison, 805 00:33:48,394 --> 00:33:49,695 Richard Nixon was president, 806 00:33:49,695 --> 00:33:51,230 and it became quite convenient 807 00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:55,401 for the Teamster to give money to Nixon and the Republicans, 808 00:33:55,401 --> 00:33:58,337 and in exchange, he received a pardon. 809 00:33:58,437 --> 00:33:59,771 Jimmy Hoffa: I appreciate the fact 810 00:33:59,771 --> 00:34:02,308 that he signed the commutation papers. 811 00:34:02,308 --> 00:34:04,343 Whatever effect it will have on the members, I can't say. 812 00:34:04,343 --> 00:34:05,844 I haven't talked to any members. 813 00:34:05,844 --> 00:34:08,147 Reporter: Do you regard this as a strictly political move? 814 00:34:08,147 --> 00:34:09,348 Jimmy Hoffa: No, I do not. 815 00:34:09,348 --> 00:34:11,250 I think it was a regularroutine commutation 816 00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:13,119 based upon my time served, 817 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,687 based upon my sentence and the background of the sentence. 818 00:34:15,687 --> 00:34:17,123 Reporter: Do you plan on supporting him soon 819 00:34:17,123 --> 00:34:19,125 because he [unintelligible] or what? 820 00:34:19,125 --> 00:34:20,992 Jimmy Hoffa: It's too far away to make any prediction 821 00:34:20,992 --> 00:34:22,294 of what I will do politically. 822 00:34:22,294 --> 00:34:23,529 George: Now why would Nixon do that 823 00:34:23,529 --> 00:34:25,264 and if Hoffa was this terrible 824 00:34:25,697 --> 00:34:28,500 organized labor figure/gangster, 825 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:30,136 why is he entitled to a pardon? 826 00:34:30,136 --> 00:34:32,238 Those kind of things were all questions back then. 827 00:34:32,238 --> 00:34:34,373 It certainly underminedNixon to a great degree. 828 00:34:34,373 --> 00:34:35,674 I mean that was one of the many things 829 00:34:35,674 --> 00:34:38,144 that when people startedto talk about Nixon 830 00:34:38,144 --> 00:34:42,914 as a president who didn't play by the rules, 831 00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:44,916 Nixon as a president who ultimately became 832 00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:46,918 the paranoid president, 833 00:34:46,918 --> 00:34:48,387 this was an example of that. 834 00:34:48,387 --> 00:34:49,955 This was Nixon, the deal-maker. 835 00:34:49,955 --> 00:34:53,159 Al: While Jimmy Hoffa was in prison from '67 to '71, 836 00:34:53,425 --> 00:34:55,861 America changed a lot. 837 00:34:55,861 --> 00:34:57,363 And when he got out, 838 00:34:57,363 --> 00:35:00,466 Hoffa's time had reallypassed in a lot of ways. 839 00:35:00,466 --> 00:35:03,769 George: Hoffa, for one segment of the American population, 840 00:35:03,769 --> 00:35:08,174 epitomized organized labor working for the blue collar, 841 00:35:08,174 --> 00:35:09,175 the common man, 842 00:35:09,175 --> 00:35:10,409 giving him his rights, 843 00:35:10,409 --> 00:35:12,778 giving him decent wagesand working conditions. 844 00:35:12,778 --> 00:35:14,780 But for the people that were involved 845 00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:18,184 in the protests of the 1960s that wanted change, 846 00:35:18,184 --> 00:35:18,884 that were progressive, 847 00:35:18,884 --> 00:35:20,252 that were liberal, 848 00:35:20,252 --> 00:35:22,188 organized labor had become, in a lot of ways, 849 00:35:22,188 --> 00:35:23,389 part of the problem. 850 00:35:23,389 --> 00:35:25,557 The sons and daughters of blue-collar workers 851 00:35:25,557 --> 00:35:27,593 wh had gone on to get an education 852 00:35:27,593 --> 00:35:29,195 kind of looked askance at all of that. 853 00:35:29,195 --> 00:35:31,997 They didn't appreciate what unions really were about. 854 00:35:31,997 --> 00:35:34,366 What they saw were unions corrupting the system. 855 00:35:34,366 --> 00:35:36,702 And I think Hoffa epitomized that for them. 856 00:35:36,702 --> 00:35:38,337 On the other hand, he epitomized 857 00:35:38,337 --> 00:35:40,739 the champion for the common man 858 00:35:40,739 --> 00:35:42,841 for the earlier generation of workers. 859 00:35:42,841 --> 00:35:45,311 Al: Teamster Vice President Frank Fitzsimmons 860 00:35:45,311 --> 00:35:48,447 was running the Teamsters show,with Hoffa away in prison, 861 00:35:48,447 --> 00:35:50,982 and he was even more accommodating 862 00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:53,952 than Hoffa had been to organized crime. 863 00:35:53,952 --> 00:35:57,323 Dan: But Fitzsimmons just let everyone to do their thing. 864 00:35:57,723 --> 00:35:59,124 That's the way he liked it, 865 00:35:59,124 --> 00:36:01,927 and that's the way the vice presidents liked it, 866 00:36:01,927 --> 00:36:04,296 and that's the way the mob liked it. 867 00:36:04,296 --> 00:36:05,997 Frank: For this union nor I 868 00:36:05,997 --> 00:36:08,634 am in the hands of organized crime. 869 00:36:08,634 --> 00:36:10,569 This union has nothing to hide 870 00:36:10,569 --> 00:36:13,104 under general presidencyof Frank Fitzsimmons. 871 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,606 Keith: Many of these guys 872 00:36:14,673 --> 00:36:17,443 had feathered their own personal nests pretty well 873 00:36:17,443 --> 00:36:20,246 during the Fitzsimmons tenure. 874 00:36:20,246 --> 00:36:21,313 Richard: And the only thing 875 00:36:21,313 --> 00:36:22,581 that he was looking at at that point 876 00:36:22,581 --> 00:36:24,115 was trying to get back into 877 00:36:24,115 --> 00:36:26,752 the leadership positionwith the union, 878 00:36:26,752 --> 00:36:28,887 who didn't seem to wanthim around anymore. 879 00:36:28,887 --> 00:36:31,056 Scott: He really only had one thing on his mind, 880 00:36:31,056 --> 00:36:34,760 which was claiming back the Teamsters presidency. 881 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,630 This was his baby,really his joy in life, 882 00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:40,832 was being the presidentof the Teamsters. 883 00:36:40,832 --> 00:36:42,634 Keith: Even though he had been involved 884 00:36:42,634 --> 00:36:43,835 with organized crime, 885 00:36:43,835 --> 00:36:47,038 he always figured itwas a 50-50 relationship 886 00:36:47,038 --> 00:36:49,174 where he was getting things from them 887 00:36:49,174 --> 00:36:51,777 in return for giving things to them 888 00:36:51,777 --> 00:36:54,112 not only personally butfor the labor movement. 889 00:36:54,112 --> 00:36:55,981 He thought that Frank Fitzsimmons 890 00:36:55,981 --> 00:37:00,619 had become a lackey for the members of organized crime, 891 00:37:00,619 --> 00:37:02,721 and he was very interested in getting back in 892 00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:04,290 to the Teamsters union. 893 00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:05,891 He was going to do whatever he could 894 00:37:05,891 --> 00:37:07,693 to get his power back, 895 00:37:07,693 --> 00:37:10,962 and if that involved agreeing to 896 00:37:10,962 --> 00:37:13,932 or deciding to take someof the mob influence 897 00:37:13,932 --> 00:37:15,334 out of the union, 898 00:37:15,334 --> 00:37:18,304 Hoffa was willing to do that to get the power back. 899 00:37:18,304 --> 00:37:20,406 Scott: Hoffa's desperation reached a point 900 00:37:20,406 --> 00:37:23,575 where my sources in the federal government tell me 901 00:37:23,575 --> 00:37:26,011 that he actually becamean FBI informant. 902 00:37:26,011 --> 00:37:29,681 This is a well-kept secret in the fact 903 00:37:29,681 --> 00:37:32,217 that it really hasn't been public record 904 00:37:32,217 --> 00:37:34,152 but that Hoffa was actually 905 00:37:34,152 --> 00:37:36,121 a full-fledged informant by the end. 906 00:37:36,121 --> 00:37:37,956 There was an actual quid pro quo 907 00:37:37,956 --> 00:37:41,192 between Hoffa and his handlers in the federal government, 908 00:37:41,192 --> 00:37:42,628 in the FBI, 909 00:37:42,628 --> 00:37:45,063 that in exchange for Hoffa feeding them information 910 00:37:45,063 --> 00:37:45,997 about what he knew, 911 00:37:45,997 --> 00:37:47,333 the FBI, the federal government 912 00:37:47,333 --> 00:37:49,835 was going to help lift the restriction 913 00:37:49,835 --> 00:37:51,670 on Hoffa's ability to run 914 00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:53,339 for the presidency of the Teamsters 915 00:37:53,339 --> 00:37:55,707 and that he would beallowed to run in 1976. 916 00:37:55,707 --> 00:37:59,411 The word on the street was that Hoffa's restriction 917 00:37:59,411 --> 00:38:01,347 was most likely to be lifted 918 00:38:01,347 --> 00:38:05,551 was really a problem for the mob 919 00:38:05,551 --> 00:38:07,619 in the sense that they realized 920 00:38:07,619 --> 00:38:09,355 that Hoffa had enough support 921 00:38:09,355 --> 00:38:11,923 and enough momentum behind him 922 00:38:11,923 --> 00:38:15,026 that he could easilywin that 1976 election. 923 00:38:15,026 --> 00:38:17,529 George: For Machiavelli,fortune favors the bold. 924 00:38:17,529 --> 00:38:20,198 He was going to make a bold move to try to come back. 925 00:38:20,198 --> 00:38:22,167 But I think there were just too many players involved, 926 00:38:22,167 --> 00:38:24,470 too many people who didn't want him to come back, 927 00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:27,706 and he couldn't control allthe events and all the players, 928 00:38:27,706 --> 00:38:29,841 as he could have maybe 20 years earlier, 929 00:38:29,841 --> 00:38:32,678 when he was at the peak of his power in the Teamsters union. 930 00:38:32,678 --> 00:38:34,480 Scott: So Hoffa's relationship 931 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,215 with the Mafia is quickly deteriorating. 932 00:38:37,215 --> 00:38:39,818 His really only life raft at this point 933 00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:41,286 are the Giacalone brothers, 934 00:38:41,286 --> 00:38:42,921 Anthony "Tony Jack" Giacalone 935 00:38:42,921 --> 00:38:44,656 and Vito "Billy Jack" Giacalone, 936 00:38:44,656 --> 00:38:46,525 the street bosses of the Detroit Mafia, 937 00:38:46,525 --> 00:38:49,395 the men that arereally the faces 938 00:38:49,395 --> 00:38:51,262 of organized crime in Detroit. 939 00:38:51,262 --> 00:38:52,398 They do all the dirty work. 940 00:38:52,398 --> 00:38:53,665 They're the junkyard dogs, 941 00:38:53,665 --> 00:38:56,602 and they have long been Hoffa's contacts. 942 00:38:56,602 --> 00:38:58,704 Greg: The Detroit family goes way back. 943 00:38:58,704 --> 00:39:00,806 I mean it's one of the original families. 944 00:39:00,806 --> 00:39:02,708 It's part of the Commission, 945 00:39:02,708 --> 00:39:04,309 part of the National Comission. 946 00:39:04,309 --> 00:39:06,144 Bill: Through my years of undercover work, 947 00:39:06,144 --> 00:39:10,315 I don't believe that I was ever able to really penetrate 948 00:39:10,315 --> 00:39:12,918 the mob, the Detroit Mafia, if you will. 949 00:39:12,918 --> 00:39:16,422 These people had charisma. 950 00:39:16,422 --> 00:39:18,990 Some of them were very likable people. 951 00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:22,428 I think they were friendly, but from a distance, 952 00:39:22,428 --> 00:39:24,229 from afar, they were not the kind of people 953 00:39:24,229 --> 00:39:27,766 that would take a shining to strangers. 954 00:39:27,766 --> 00:39:29,668 As part of their culture, their makeup, 955 00:39:29,668 --> 00:39:32,103 they don't deal with strangers. 956 00:39:32,103 --> 00:39:33,204 Scott: The mob knew the only way 957 00:39:33,204 --> 00:39:34,706 to get Hoffa out in the open 958 00:39:34,706 --> 00:39:35,874 was to lure him, 959 00:39:35,874 --> 00:39:38,577 and that lure was Tony Pro Provenzano. 960 00:39:38,877 --> 00:39:41,079 Hoffa understood the only way 961 00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:44,750 that he was going to get the requisite number of delegates 962 00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:47,619 to take back the Teamsters union in the '76 election 963 00:39:47,619 --> 00:39:49,588 was to make peace with Tony Provenzano, 964 00:39:49,588 --> 00:39:52,658 a man that he had actually put into power in the union, 965 00:39:52,658 --> 00:39:54,826 was very good friends with until they had 966 00:39:54,826 --> 00:39:57,463 a rather bitter falling out in prison. 967 00:39:57,463 --> 00:39:59,598 Hoffa knew he had to squash the beef. 968 00:39:59,598 --> 00:40:02,934 The Giacalones knew that bringing 969 00:40:02,934 --> 00:40:05,403 Tony Provenzano to Detroit as a lure 970 00:40:05,403 --> 00:40:07,238 would be the way to getHoffa out in the open 971 00:40:07,238 --> 00:40:09,307 because Hoffa needed that support. 972 00:40:09,307 --> 00:40:11,877 Richard: I mean there was a saying in Detroit that 973 00:40:11,877 --> 00:40:14,412 if you didn't know that person 974 00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:16,915 when he was sucking his Mama's breast, 975 00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:17,916 stay away from him. 976 00:40:17,916 --> 00:40:19,084 Don't trust him. 977 00:40:19,084 --> 00:40:21,720 And that's the way they acted. 978 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:23,221 They grew up together. 979 00:40:23,221 --> 00:40:24,690 They socialized together. 980 00:40:24,690 --> 00:40:27,358 They married one another. 981 00:40:27,358 --> 00:40:29,728 And they died together. 982 00:40:29,728 --> 00:40:33,599 Insulated protected group by themselves. 983 00:40:33,699 --> 00:40:37,202 Scott: It was appropriate, in Hoffa's mind, 984 00:40:37,202 --> 00:40:39,738 that Giacalone would be acting as the go-between. 985 00:40:39,738 --> 00:40:45,143 Tony Provenzano's first cousin was Tony Giacalone's wife. 986 00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:47,946 The Giacalone brothers were actually going to his house, 987 00:40:47,946 --> 00:40:50,816 I believe, on July 26th and July 27th, 988 00:40:50,816 --> 00:40:55,286 trying to A) get Hoffa to come out of hiding, if you will. 989 00:40:55,286 --> 00:40:57,455 He was very cautious about who he was dealing with 990 00:40:57,455 --> 00:40:58,924 out in the public. 991 00:40:58,924 --> 00:41:02,060 And they also wanted to ease his worries 992 00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:03,361 that he was in danger. 993 00:41:03,361 --> 00:41:05,030 Well, in fact, he was in danger, 994 00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:06,732 but the Giacalones wereplaying both sides of the fence 995 00:41:06,732 --> 00:41:07,966 at this point. 996 00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:10,969 They arranged a meetingat the Machus Red Fox 997 00:41:10,969 --> 00:41:16,307 for 2:00 on July 30th, 1975. 998 00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:19,377 Hoffa felt comfortable going to that meeting 999 00:41:19,377 --> 00:41:22,113 because he was toldthat both Tony Giacalone 1000 00:41:22,113 --> 00:41:24,449 and Lenny Schultz wouldbe at that meeting 1001 00:41:24,449 --> 00:41:26,051 brokering the deal. 1002 00:41:26,051 --> 00:41:30,956 Hoffa was willing then to bury the hatchet with Provenzano 1003 00:41:30,956 --> 00:41:33,458 if Provenzano came to Detroit. 1004 00:41:33,458 --> 00:41:35,794 The Giacalones convinced Hoffa 1005 00:41:35,794 --> 00:41:37,428 that Provenzano was coming to Detroit, 1006 00:41:37,428 --> 00:41:39,965 so they set that meetingfor that afternoon. 1007 00:41:39,965 --> 00:41:44,102 Hoffa lounged around the house for most of that morning. 1008 00:41:44,102 --> 00:41:46,605 He left around 12:30, 1009 00:41:46,605 --> 00:41:49,174 stopped in Pontiac, a limo service that was run 1010 00:41:49,174 --> 00:41:52,177 by a friend of his by the name of Louie Linteau. 1011 00:41:52,177 --> 00:41:53,378 People called him "The Pope." 1012 00:41:53,378 --> 00:41:54,846 He showed up there. 1013 00:41:54,846 --> 00:41:57,849 Linteau was not there, so Hoffa left him a message 1014 00:41:57,849 --> 00:41:59,685 and took off to the meeting himself 1015 00:41:59,685 --> 00:42:05,023 and arrived at the Machus Red Fox 1:45, 2:00. 1016 00:42:05,023 --> 00:42:07,693 He waited in the restaurant for around a half hour 1017 00:42:07,693 --> 00:42:10,228 and realized that he had been stood up. 1018 00:42:10,228 --> 00:42:13,398 Hoffa was frazzled by this. 1019 00:42:13,398 --> 00:42:14,833 He was upset. 1020 00:42:14,833 --> 00:42:19,104 He went across the parking lot to a hardware store 1021 00:42:19,104 --> 00:42:20,606 and made two phone calls. 1022 00:42:20,606 --> 00:42:23,942 The first was to Louie Linteau at that limousine service 1023 00:42:23,942 --> 00:42:26,511 to tell him that he had been stood up 1024 00:42:26,511 --> 00:42:27,412 and that he was leaving, 1025 00:42:27,412 --> 00:42:28,614 that he was upset about it, 1026 00:42:28,614 --> 00:42:30,481 and then the second was to his wife. 1027 00:42:31,182 --> 00:42:33,084 At this point, Hoffa is seen 1028 00:42:33,084 --> 00:42:35,621 walking to his car in the parking lot. 1029 00:42:35,621 --> 00:42:37,288 It's around 2:45, 1030 00:42:37,288 --> 00:42:41,927 and he is met by a Mercury Marquis, 1031 00:42:41,927 --> 00:42:43,261 according to witnesses, 1032 00:42:43,261 --> 00:42:45,731 was occupied by three men, 1033 00:42:46,197 --> 00:42:48,767 two men in the front seat and one in the back. 1034 00:42:48,767 --> 00:42:51,136 Hoffa is seen getting into this car, 1035 00:42:51,136 --> 00:42:54,840 and the car is seen driving away onto Telegraph Road, 1036 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,507 never to be seen again. 1037 00:42:57,508 --> 00:43:00,511 And with this disappearance really started 1038 00:43:00,511 --> 00:43:04,182 arguably the most fascinating mystery 1039 00:43:04,182 --> 00:43:06,151 in the criminal annals of America. 1040 00:43:06,384 --> 00:43:09,788 Keith: The most prominent labor leader in America 1041 00:43:09,788 --> 00:43:10,889 just disappears, 1042 00:43:10,889 --> 00:43:12,824 and nobody saw anything. 1043 00:43:12,824 --> 00:43:15,560 Even though his wife was concerned and was calling people, 1044 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,296 nobody was overly concerned about an adult male 1045 00:43:18,296 --> 00:43:21,299 not coming home at 5, 6, 7, 8:00 at night. 1046 00:43:21,299 --> 00:43:23,568 I mean that's been known to happen. 1047 00:43:23,568 --> 00:43:26,137 Voiceover: The Hoffas are reportedly under heavy guard here. 1048 00:43:26,137 --> 00:43:28,106 But late this afternoon, the family broke its silence 1049 00:43:28,106 --> 00:43:29,540 and asked for public assistance 1050 00:43:29,540 --> 00:43:31,342 in the search for Jimmy Hoffa. 1051 00:43:31,342 --> 00:43:34,412 James: I have asked anybody who might have information 1052 00:43:34,412 --> 00:43:35,847 concerning my father's whereabouts 1053 00:43:35,847 --> 00:43:37,448 to please come forward. 1054 00:43:37,448 --> 00:43:40,085 Keith: Agents in the organized crime units 1055 00:43:40,085 --> 00:43:41,687 in every major city 1056 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:43,955 but particularly New York, New Jersey, 1057 00:43:44,322 --> 00:43:46,958 Detroit, Chicago, Boston 1058 00:43:46,958 --> 00:43:49,560 were all taking every effort they could 1059 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,699 to establish any connection or any interaction 1060 00:43:53,699 --> 00:43:55,100 between the cities. 1061 00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:57,202 These were almost all face-to-face meetings 1062 00:43:57,202 --> 00:43:58,503 in private settings. 1063 00:43:58,503 --> 00:43:59,971 David: I remember the time period. 1064 00:43:59,971 --> 00:44:01,840 People were running around with shovels 1065 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,710 digging holes in fields all around Metro Detroit. 1066 00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:05,844 Greg: The whole experience 1067 00:44:05,844 --> 00:44:07,879 when I first got to Detroit is 1068 00:44:08,279 --> 00:44:10,348 this is just like the movies. 1069 00:44:10,348 --> 00:44:12,450 I had always wanted to be an FBI agent, 1070 00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:14,886 and now it would seem like 1071 00:44:14,886 --> 00:44:17,756 you were going from onemajor case to another. 1072 00:44:17,756 --> 00:44:23,528 (ambient traffic noise) 1073 00:44:23,995 --> 00:44:27,598 David: All of these whack job nutty people would call me. 1074 00:44:27,598 --> 00:44:30,268 I finally got to the pointwith people when they called me 1075 00:44:30,268 --> 00:44:31,803 who told me where he was. 1076 00:44:31,803 --> 00:44:33,772 I just said, "Go get a shovel. 1077 00:44:33,772 --> 00:44:35,240 "Go dig a hole. 1078 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:38,276 "If you find anything, call me before you call the FBI." 1079 00:44:38,643 --> 00:44:40,445 Greg: I think the feeling was 1080 00:44:40,445 --> 00:44:45,751 that we're going to throw all our resources at this, 1081 00:44:45,751 --> 00:44:48,519 and our history is suchthat generally speaking, 1082 00:44:49,187 --> 00:44:51,322 we get to the bottom of it. 1083 00:44:51,322 --> 00:44:52,758 Reporter: According to a spokesman 1084 00:44:52,758 --> 00:44:55,526 for the Organized Crime Strike Force, 1085 00:44:55,526 --> 00:44:57,295 there will be a major announcement 1086 00:44:57,295 --> 00:44:59,965 concerning the Hoffa case by the end of this week. 1087 00:44:59,965 --> 00:45:01,666 (helicopter sounds overhead) 1088 00:45:01,666 --> 00:45:03,601 Keith: I mean I believe these guys 1089 00:45:03,601 --> 00:45:06,637 were smarter than we sometimes give them credit for, 1090 00:45:06,637 --> 00:45:08,639 and I think that when they picked the people 1091 00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:10,675 that were going to get rid of Jimmy Hoffa, 1092 00:45:10,675 --> 00:45:13,578 they picked people who they were 100 percent sure 1093 00:45:13,578 --> 00:45:15,513 would never reveal what they had done. 1094 00:45:15,513 --> 00:45:17,448 They knew how they were going to get rid of the body 1095 00:45:17,448 --> 00:45:18,683 before they whacked him. 1096 00:45:18,683 --> 00:45:21,019 I mean there is no doubtin my mind about that. 1097 00:45:21,019 --> 00:45:23,822 So they weren't driving around looking for a place to go. 1098 00:45:23,822 --> 00:45:25,090 They weren't going to say, 1099 00:45:25,090 --> 00:45:26,792 "Let's put him in this temporary space 1100 00:45:26,792 --> 00:45:28,259 "and then we're going to move him." 1101 00:45:28,259 --> 00:45:31,897 They clearly had plenty oftime to do anything they wanted 1102 00:45:31,897 --> 00:45:34,465 with the remains of Jimmy Hoffa 1103 00:45:34,465 --> 00:45:36,968 between the time theyleft the Machus Red Fox 1104 00:45:36,968 --> 00:45:39,204 and the time anybody fully started looking, 1105 00:45:39,204 --> 00:45:42,908 which was 10, 11, 12:00the following day. 1106 00:45:42,908 --> 00:45:45,811 I believe this thing was planned out with precision. 1107 00:45:45,811 --> 00:45:47,312 They knew who was going to do it. 1108 00:45:47,312 --> 00:45:48,980 They knew how theywere going to kill him, 1109 00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:50,715 and they knew where they were going to dispose of the body. 1110 00:45:50,715 --> 00:45:51,917 (camera flash) 1111 00:45:52,517 --> 00:45:56,621 Richard: The reputationof Anthony Giacalone 1112 00:45:56,621 --> 00:45:59,090 was that he was a brilliant man 1113 00:45:59,090 --> 00:46:01,426 who could have run one of the Big Three, 1114 00:46:01,426 --> 00:46:02,861 that he was that smart. 1115 00:46:02,861 --> 00:46:05,163 Keith: Feared by the average person 1116 00:46:05,163 --> 00:46:06,597 and well known to the media, 1117 00:46:06,597 --> 00:46:09,634 he had a very imposing personal presence. 1118 00:46:09,634 --> 00:46:12,170 That point, he was notorious for dressing 1119 00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:14,405 in a very flashy style. 1120 00:46:14,405 --> 00:46:17,142 Scott: He was a man of very few words 1121 00:46:17,142 --> 00:46:20,511 but was someone, withjust a nod of his head, 1122 00:46:20,511 --> 00:46:22,547 could make things happen, 1123 00:46:22,547 --> 00:46:24,615 such as people disappearing. 1124 00:46:24,615 --> 00:46:26,051 Voiceover: The Giacalones, 1125 00:46:26,051 --> 00:46:28,286 Joseph Giacalone and Vito Giacalone were in yesterday, 1126 00:46:28,286 --> 00:46:30,688 but speculation as to when you might be calling 1127 00:46:30,688 --> 00:46:32,557 Anthony Giacalone. 1128 00:46:33,258 --> 00:46:34,725 Investigator: You're going to have to continue to speculate. 1129 00:46:34,725 --> 00:46:37,128 I wish I could help you, but you know that I can't. 1130 00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:46,237 Reporter: Did your client [pled]the Fifth or not, Mr. Early? 1131 00:46:46,237 --> 00:46:47,172 Atty. Early: I can only assume he did. 1132 00:46:47,172 --> 00:46:49,174 I advised him to do that. 1133 00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:51,877 He was only in there a short minute or two, 1134 00:46:52,377 --> 00:46:53,611 and he came out. 1135 00:46:53,879 --> 00:46:55,213 I didn't ask him the question. 1136 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,082 I assumed he did. 1137 00:46:57,082 --> 00:46:58,683 Reporter: You have no idea what kind of questions 1138 00:46:58,683 --> 00:47:00,151 [unintelligible] in there? 1139 00:47:00,151 --> 00:47:02,320 Atty. Early: I doubt if it got past his name and address. 1140 00:47:02,453 --> 00:47:04,189 Keith: Tony Giacalone that day shows up 1141 00:47:04,189 --> 00:47:06,591 at the Southfield Athletic Club,(camera flash) 1142 00:47:06,591 --> 00:47:09,494 spends the entire day at the Southfield Athletic Club. 1143 00:47:09,494 --> 00:47:12,898 He was known by many people to be a very sort of 1144 00:47:12,898 --> 00:47:15,233 surly taciturn kind of guy, 1145 00:47:15,233 --> 00:47:17,368 but he must have asked 50 people 1146 00:47:17,368 --> 00:47:18,937 at the Southfield Athletic Club, 1147 00:47:18,937 --> 00:47:19,905 "What time is it now? 1148 00:47:19,905 --> 00:47:20,605 "You got the time? 1149 00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:21,606 "You got the time?" 1150 00:47:21,606 --> 00:47:23,408 Scott: Never talked to anybody. 1151 00:47:23,408 --> 00:47:24,642 They didn't need to talk, 1152 00:47:24,642 --> 00:47:27,078 especially didn't talk to regular civilians 1153 00:47:27,078 --> 00:47:28,413 on a regular basis. 1154 00:47:28,413 --> 00:47:30,348 He was going aroundshaking everyone's hand, 1155 00:47:30,348 --> 00:47:32,417 asking people what time it was, 1156 00:47:32,417 --> 00:47:33,718 how their day was going 1157 00:47:33,718 --> 00:47:35,386 to establish an alibi for himself. 1158 00:47:35,386 --> 00:47:37,222 According to FBI surveillance records, 1159 00:47:37,222 --> 00:47:38,756 Jack Tocco, the acting boss 1160 00:47:38,756 --> 00:47:40,225 of the Detroit family at that time, 1161 00:47:40,225 --> 00:47:46,231 came from Macomb Countyto Oakland County 1162 00:47:46,231 --> 00:47:47,798 to meet with Giacalone. 1163 00:47:47,798 --> 00:47:50,401 Giacalone and Tocco were not very close. 1164 00:47:50,401 --> 00:47:53,038 They did not meet face to face very often. 1165 00:47:53,038 --> 00:47:55,706 The fact that Tocco was coming to Oakland County, 1166 00:47:55,706 --> 00:47:58,944 coming to South AthleticClub that afternoon 1167 00:47:58,944 --> 00:48:02,013 really told the FBI and investigators 1168 00:48:02,013 --> 00:48:03,748 that something very important had just happened. 1169 00:48:03,748 --> 00:48:05,183 (sinister music) 1170 00:48:05,816 --> 00:48:11,122 Chuckie O'Brien was a surrogate son, if you will, 1171 00:48:11,122 --> 00:48:12,623 to Jimmy Hoffa. 1172 00:48:12,623 --> 00:48:16,161 He was also very close to Tony Giacalone. 1173 00:48:16,161 --> 00:48:20,865 His mother, Sylvia Pagano, was a bit of a gun moll, 1174 00:48:20,865 --> 00:48:24,302 one of those women that got passed around the mob. 1175 00:48:24,302 --> 00:48:26,671 She had affairs with several members 1176 00:48:26,671 --> 00:48:28,106 of organized crime in Detroit, 1177 00:48:28,106 --> 00:48:30,641 two of them being Jimmy Hoffa and Tony Giacalone. 1178 00:48:30,641 --> 00:48:32,377 He'd had a falling out with Jimmy Hoffa 1179 00:48:32,377 --> 00:48:34,812 and had really aligned with Tony Giacalone. 1180 00:48:34,812 --> 00:48:36,714 Attorney: After my client's full cooperation 1181 00:48:36,714 --> 00:48:38,516 with the Federal Bureauof Investigation, 1182 00:48:38,516 --> 00:48:39,750 the Michigan State Police, 1183 00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:41,552 and the Bloomfield Township Police 1184 00:48:41,552 --> 00:48:44,222 for a total of nearly eighthours of intensive interviewing 1185 00:48:44,222 --> 00:48:46,224 on an entirely voluntary basis, 1186 00:48:46,224 --> 00:48:48,659 I am surprised and somewhatchagrined, as a matter of fact, 1187 00:48:48,659 --> 00:48:50,495 that the government now feels compelled 1188 00:48:50,495 --> 00:48:52,630 to make furtherinquiry of Mr. O'Brien. 1189 00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:55,766 Reporter: Do you expect to see your father again? 1190 00:48:55,766 --> 00:48:57,635 Chuckie: I'm praying. 1191 00:49:03,074 --> 00:49:06,311 Scott: O'Brien was said to have been in possession 1192 00:49:06,311 --> 00:49:09,447 of Giacalone's son, Joey's car that afternoon, 1193 00:49:09,447 --> 00:49:12,317 the car that the FBI andinvestigators believe 1194 00:49:12,317 --> 00:49:14,085 Hoffa was kidnapped in. 1195 00:49:14,085 --> 00:49:18,023 Keith: Why was he usinga Giacalone kid's car 1196 00:49:18,023 --> 00:49:19,757 on that particular day? 1197 00:49:19,757 --> 00:49:22,727 That's always been an issue that fascinated the Bureau 1198 00:49:22,727 --> 00:49:25,030 and caused them to lookinto Chuckie O'Brien. 1199 00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:27,765 Scott: Now, the issue that I have 1200 00:49:27,765 --> 00:49:31,236 with that specific allegation 1201 00:49:31,236 --> 00:49:34,139 is the fact that Hoffaand O'Brien at that time 1202 00:49:34,139 --> 00:49:39,044 had really, really beenon very, very bad terms 1203 00:49:39,310 --> 00:49:42,047 and that Jimmy Hoffa would not feel comfortable 1204 00:49:42,047 --> 00:49:44,215 getting in a car with Chuckie O'Brien. 1205 00:49:44,215 --> 00:49:46,651 Despite that, there are a lot of people that believe 1206 00:49:46,651 --> 00:49:49,454 O'Brien was the one that took Hoffa 1207 00:49:49,454 --> 00:49:52,190 from the Red Fox to the place that he was murdered. 1208 00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:54,425 Keith: I don't think they would have felt comfortable 1209 00:49:54,425 --> 00:49:56,061 with Chuckie O'Brien out there as a guy 1210 00:49:56,061 --> 00:49:58,096 who could point a finger at them. 1211 00:49:58,096 --> 00:50:00,931 Richard: What worse person could you put in charge 1212 00:50:00,931 --> 00:50:04,635 of your life and with getting critical information 1213 00:50:04,635 --> 00:50:05,936 than Chuckie O'Brien? 1214 00:50:05,936 --> 00:50:08,173 Keith: Why do they haveto borrow anybody's car? 1215 00:50:08,173 --> 00:50:10,641 Have some guy steal acar and give it to you, 1216 00:50:10,641 --> 00:50:13,378 two, three layers of removal, 1217 00:50:13,378 --> 00:50:14,612 and then you pick it up. 1218 00:50:14,612 --> 00:50:16,581 These guys wouldn't havetrouble getting a car. 1219 00:50:16,581 --> 00:50:18,083 David: The Hoffa [unintelligible] says 1220 00:50:18,083 --> 00:50:21,986 that he was basicallyincompetent and a liar. 1221 00:50:21,986 --> 00:50:23,954 Why didn't they kill O'Brien afterward? 1222 00:50:23,954 --> 00:50:25,156 Why would they leave him alive? 1223 00:50:25,156 --> 00:50:27,658 Why would they leaveany of these guys alive? 1224 00:50:28,025 --> 00:50:32,130 Scott: I don't believe that the organized crime members 1225 00:50:32,130 --> 00:50:35,066 that set this hit up would use Chuckie O'Brien 1226 00:50:35,066 --> 00:50:37,502 in any way, shape, or form 1227 00:50:37,502 --> 00:50:40,838 other than very, very menial tasks. 1228 00:50:40,838 --> 00:50:43,308 And frankly, being the one to drive Hoffa 1229 00:50:43,308 --> 00:50:46,144 to his murder destination is not a menial task. 1230 00:50:46,144 --> 00:50:47,712 (suspense music) 1231 00:50:47,712 --> 00:50:50,047 George: Tony Pro was a capital in the Genovese crime family, 1232 00:50:50,047 --> 00:50:52,617 and the Genovese crime family, in my estimation, 1233 00:50:52,617 --> 00:50:54,152 was the most powerful, 1234 00:50:54,152 --> 00:50:55,653 the most well-run, and the most organized 1235 00:50:55,653 --> 00:50:57,322 of the five New York families, 1236 00:50:57,322 --> 00:51:01,992 Tony Pro controlled Teamsters Local 560 out of North Jersey. 1237 00:51:01,992 --> 00:51:04,028 Voiceover: Today,Provenzano acknowledged 1238 00:51:04,028 --> 00:51:05,463 Hoffa was an old friend, 1239 00:51:05,463 --> 00:51:07,598 but he said he hadn't seen him in years 1240 00:51:07,598 --> 00:51:10,268 and could shed no light on Hoffa's disappearance. 1241 00:51:10,735 --> 00:51:12,670 Reporter: Were you supposed to meet with Hoffa today - 1242 00:51:12,670 --> 00:51:13,504 Tony: No, no. 1243 00:51:13,504 --> 00:51:14,805 I know nothing. 1244 00:51:14,805 --> 00:51:16,774 None whatsoever, no. 1245 00:51:18,743 --> 00:51:20,778 Woody: Did you manage tofinish testimony before- 1246 00:51:20,778 --> 00:51:21,546 Bill: Yes, we did. 1247 00:51:21,546 --> 00:51:22,547 Yes, we did, Woody. 1248 00:51:22,547 --> 00:51:23,681 Woody: Why so brief, sir? 1249 00:51:23,681 --> 00:51:24,749 Bill: It wasn't that brief. 1250 00:51:24,749 --> 00:51:26,151 Woody: No? 1251 00:51:26,151 --> 00:51:27,152 Bill: They asked questions and we gave answers. 1252 00:51:27,152 --> 00:51:29,454 Reporter: [unintelligible] 1253 00:51:30,288 --> 00:51:32,457 Bill: I don't believe that we would serve 1254 00:51:32,457 --> 00:51:36,694 any worthy purpose to discuss out here on the street 1255 00:51:37,728 --> 00:51:40,265 what transpired in the grand jury room. 1256 00:51:40,265 --> 00:51:43,000 They have a job to do, andthey are doing their very best, 1257 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,469 and we wish them luck. 1258 00:51:44,769 --> 00:51:47,172 Dan: We knew there was an eye witness 1259 00:51:47,172 --> 00:51:51,075 who had kind of, but not quite, 1260 00:51:51,542 --> 00:51:53,944 identified Sal Briguglio. 1261 00:51:53,944 --> 00:51:56,281 David: His problem was that he had read newspaper accounts, 1262 00:51:56,281 --> 00:51:59,884 and I think he was trying to sort of help the FBI along 1263 00:51:59,884 --> 00:52:03,721 rather than simply beingan untainted witness. 1264 00:52:03,788 --> 00:52:05,456 But the problem was they didn't know 1265 00:52:05,456 --> 00:52:08,259 if his information wascoming from news reports 1266 00:52:08,259 --> 00:52:12,897 or whether it was untainted information he had witnessed. 1267 00:52:12,997 --> 00:52:16,367 Scott: Briguglio was a old-school grizzle gangster 1268 00:52:16,367 --> 00:52:17,968 that really looked the part 1269 00:52:17,968 --> 00:52:21,839 and someone that really didn't flash a smile that much. 1270 00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:24,742 It's a wide belief thatBriguglio and Andretta 1271 00:52:24,742 --> 00:52:28,279 were sent by Provenzano to Detroit 1272 00:52:28,279 --> 00:52:30,981 to be his representatives on the Hoffa hit. 1273 00:52:30,981 --> 00:52:32,950 (suspense music) 1274 00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:35,653 Dan: We knew that aguy named Ralph Picardo 1275 00:52:35,653 --> 00:52:38,823 was telling the FBI 1276 00:52:39,790 --> 00:52:41,759 what they knew about Jimmy Hoffa's murder. 1277 00:52:41,759 --> 00:52:43,461 According to Ralph Picardo, 1278 00:52:43,461 --> 00:52:46,364 Hoffa is stuffed into a 55-gallon drum 1279 00:52:46,364 --> 00:52:48,433 and shipped via GatewayTransportation truck 1280 00:52:48,433 --> 00:52:50,067 to an unknown destination. 1281 00:52:50,067 --> 00:52:53,538 Al: And this is what the FBI's initial understanding 1282 00:52:53,538 --> 00:52:54,739 of the case was. 1283 00:52:54,739 --> 00:52:56,241 Dan: So you have Russell Bufalino, 1284 00:52:56,241 --> 00:52:59,744 who is the acting head of the Genovese crime family. 1285 00:52:59,744 --> 00:53:02,647 You have Tony Provenzano, who is a capo 1286 00:53:02,647 --> 00:53:04,415 in the Genovese crime family. 1287 00:53:04,415 --> 00:53:07,652 Then you have his guys, Sal Briguglio, Gabe Briguglio, 1288 00:53:07,652 --> 00:53:09,554 Tommy Andretta, Stevie Andretta 1289 00:53:10,255 --> 00:53:12,257 being the guys who wereactually the mechanics 1290 00:53:12,257 --> 00:53:14,158 in this operation. 1291 00:53:14,259 --> 00:53:17,262 Richard: Two people can keep a secret if one is dead. 1292 00:53:17,262 --> 00:53:19,297 There isn't a want or a need for information 1293 00:53:19,297 --> 00:53:21,566 and they don't know about it or want to know about it 1294 00:53:21,566 --> 00:53:23,000 for that very purpose. 1295 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,702 David: Does it make any sense that you would carry 1296 00:53:24,702 --> 00:53:27,772 Jimmy Hoffa around in a 55-gallon barrel 1297 00:53:27,772 --> 00:53:30,275 when you could just simply take him to Central Sanitation 1298 00:53:30,275 --> 00:53:31,842 and dispose of the body? 1299 00:53:31,842 --> 00:53:33,043 I think that that's where the feds 1300 00:53:33,043 --> 00:53:34,779 eventually landed on that. 1301 00:53:34,779 --> 00:53:37,282 George: It just bottom line makes no sense at all. 1302 00:53:37,282 --> 00:53:38,449 You don't kill somebody 1303 00:53:38,449 --> 00:53:40,017 and then cart their body across country. 1304 00:53:40,017 --> 00:53:42,152 Nobody in the underworld isgoing to do that kind of stuff. 1305 00:53:42,152 --> 00:53:44,655 (slow beat music) (sinister music) 1306 00:53:44,655 --> 00:53:45,923 Dan: The next day, I pick up the phone. 1307 00:53:45,923 --> 00:53:48,893 I call Sal Briguglio up 1308 00:53:48,893 --> 00:53:50,895 and asked for him at Local 560. 1309 00:53:50,895 --> 00:53:52,763 He gets on the phone and he says, 1310 00:53:53,564 --> 00:53:54,699 "Yeah, who's this?" 1311 00:53:54,699 --> 00:53:56,401 and I said, "My name is Dan Moldea," 1312 00:53:56,401 --> 00:53:58,002 and he says, "What do you need?" 1313 00:53:58,002 --> 00:54:00,037 and I said, "I'm a journalist 1314 00:54:00,037 --> 00:54:01,906 "and I'd like to come and talk to you." 1315 00:54:01,906 --> 00:54:03,308 He says, "What do you want to talk about?" 1316 00:54:03,308 --> 00:54:04,842 I said, "The Hoffa disappearance." 1317 00:54:04,842 --> 00:54:05,976 He goes, "What makes you think 1318 00:54:05,976 --> 00:54:06,911 "I have anything to say about that?" 1319 00:54:06,911 --> 00:54:09,179 I said, "Because, Mr. Briguglio, 1320 00:54:09,179 --> 00:54:11,816 "you've neither been indicted nor arrested, 1321 00:54:11,816 --> 00:54:13,384 "and the entire world is saying 1322 00:54:13,384 --> 00:54:15,553 "that you killed Jimmy Hoffa, 1323 00:54:15,686 --> 00:54:18,389 "and the government is putting this information out, 1324 00:54:18,389 --> 00:54:20,224 "and I think the government might be violating 1325 00:54:20,224 --> 00:54:22,159 "your civil rights." 1326 00:54:22,493 --> 00:54:23,428 Bill: We are innocent. 1327 00:54:23,428 --> 00:54:24,329 We're presumed to be innocent. 1328 00:54:24,329 --> 00:54:25,730 We remain- 1329 00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:26,531 Dan: But you must theorize on why the government 1330 00:54:26,531 --> 00:54:27,432 is doing this to you, 1331 00:54:27,432 --> 00:54:28,899 and this goes back to how- 1332 00:54:28,899 --> 00:54:30,100 Bill: No, you know they're a bunch of motherfuckers. 1333 00:54:31,336 --> 00:54:33,471 Dan: The possibility of Hoffa's body 1334 00:54:33,471 --> 00:54:36,607 being stuffed in a55-gallon drum pickled, 1335 00:54:36,607 --> 00:54:38,343 maybe put in a liquid preservative. 1336 00:54:38,343 --> 00:54:39,710 Bill: Well, man, what the hell? 1337 00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:41,612 Would you ever pickle anybody and keep preserving? 1338 00:54:41,612 --> 00:54:44,715 I'd like to put yourself in the position of the bad guy. 1339 00:54:44,715 --> 00:54:46,584 Would you try to perserve him? 1340 00:54:46,584 --> 00:54:48,686 Two [powers] out of Chicago 1341 00:54:49,219 --> 00:54:54,058 met their Maker at the expense 1342 00:54:54,058 --> 00:54:56,527 or at the hands of the CIA 1343 00:54:56,527 --> 00:54:57,428 because - 1344 00:54:57,428 --> 00:54:58,529 Dan: Roselli and Giancana? 1345 00:54:58,529 --> 00:54:59,864 Bill: Yeah, Roselli and Giancana. 1346 00:54:59,864 --> 00:55:04,769 Now, you'd be better off asking the CIA 1347 00:55:04,769 --> 00:55:06,404 to investigate the FBI 1348 00:55:06,404 --> 00:55:09,574 and the FBI to investigate with CIA, 1349 00:55:09,574 --> 00:55:12,209 and then there you'd have the answer. 1350 00:55:12,209 --> 00:55:13,911 (suspense music) 1351 00:55:14,278 --> 00:55:15,613 Dan: This guy was a giant. 1352 00:55:15,613 --> 00:55:17,014 He was a big guy, 1353 00:55:17,382 --> 00:55:19,249 had a glass eye too. 1354 00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:22,219 One eye would be following you wherever you went, 1355 00:55:22,219 --> 00:55:24,254 and the other eye wasjust staring straight at 1356 00:55:24,254 --> 00:55:25,289 and into the distance. 1357 00:55:25,289 --> 00:55:26,691 He was a scary guy. 1358 00:55:26,691 --> 00:55:30,260 Keith: McMaster was a larger than life character 1359 00:55:30,260 --> 00:55:32,463 both physically and story-wise. 1360 00:55:32,463 --> 00:55:35,132 He was a business agentfor the Teamsters. 1361 00:55:35,132 --> 00:55:37,835 He was involved in union activities, 1362 00:55:37,835 --> 00:55:40,471 organizing, getting union votes. 1363 00:55:40,471 --> 00:55:44,141 He probably weighed 300 pounds and was 6'6 or 6'7, 1364 00:55:44,141 --> 00:55:45,410 huge hands, 1365 00:55:45,410 --> 00:55:47,412 personally an intimidating guy, 1366 00:55:47,412 --> 00:55:50,080 and I think if you wanted to send the message 1367 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,282 to people to physicallyintimidate them, 1368 00:55:52,282 --> 00:55:54,051 Rolland McMasterwas the guy who, 1369 00:55:54,051 --> 00:55:55,420 if he showed up at your door, 1370 00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:57,655 probably generated that kind of reaction. 1371 00:55:57,655 --> 00:55:59,089 Dan: I mean McMaster was working 1372 00:55:59,089 --> 00:56:02,560 with Santo Trafficantedown in Miami for sure. 1373 00:56:02,860 --> 00:56:05,129 McMaster was part of the Cuban process. 1374 00:56:05,129 --> 00:56:07,432 McMaster knew a lot of stuff. 1375 00:56:07,432 --> 00:56:09,734 A lot of people viewed McMaster as a knuckle dragger. 1376 00:56:09,734 --> 00:56:13,103 This guy was a sharp guy. 1377 00:56:13,638 --> 00:56:16,306 Scott: I tend to agree with him that Rolland McMaster 1378 00:56:16,507 --> 00:56:19,977 could have played a rolein the assassination. 1379 00:56:19,977 --> 00:56:24,348 He was one of the most trusted non-Italian, 1380 00:56:24,582 --> 00:56:26,717 non-mob union members 1381 00:56:26,984 --> 00:56:31,088 and someone that had a lot of knowledge 1382 00:56:31,088 --> 00:56:34,459 of past union mob relationship, 1383 00:56:34,459 --> 00:56:35,826 union mob wrongdoing. 1384 00:56:35,826 --> 00:56:40,364 Dan: Because I was convinced that Rolland McMaster 1385 00:56:40,364 --> 00:56:44,368 and his zombie stooges who worked for him 1386 00:56:44,368 --> 00:56:47,572 were somehow involvedin Jimmy Hoffa's murder 1387 00:56:47,572 --> 00:56:50,174 and probably responsiblefor the disposal 1388 00:56:50,174 --> 00:56:52,009 of Jimmy Hoffa's body. 1389 00:56:52,009 --> 00:56:53,210 I believe that. 1390 00:56:53,210 --> 00:56:58,082 I got a call on that on August 4th, 1975. 1391 00:56:58,082 --> 00:57:01,251 That's five days after Jimmy Hoffa's, 1392 00:57:01,251 --> 00:57:04,221 and I have not moved from that position since then. 1393 00:57:04,288 --> 00:57:06,323 Everything I have seen and heard 1394 00:57:06,323 --> 00:57:08,493 reinforces everything I believe. 1395 00:57:08,493 --> 00:57:11,195 David: There was a lot of violence going on in the Teamsters 1396 00:57:11,195 --> 00:57:14,364 in the months leading up to Hoffa's disappearance. 1397 00:57:14,899 --> 00:57:17,502 Dan Moldea believes thatRolland was involved, 1398 00:57:17,502 --> 00:57:21,539 deeply involved and probably knew what happened to Hoffa. 1399 00:57:21,539 --> 00:57:23,741 Dan: Hoffa people being under siege, 1400 00:57:23,741 --> 00:57:25,409 where their houses were being bombed, 1401 00:57:25,409 --> 00:57:27,044 their boats were being bombed. 1402 00:57:27,044 --> 00:57:29,246 You had people being shot. 1403 00:57:29,246 --> 00:57:31,048 Keith: People today don't realize 1404 00:57:31,048 --> 00:57:37,221 bombings of businesses and union officials' cars 1405 00:57:37,221 --> 00:57:38,623 and these kinds of things 1406 00:57:38,623 --> 00:57:40,658 were much more common occurrence. 1407 00:57:40,658 --> 00:57:43,894 Dan: The real action is right in Detroit. 1408 00:57:43,894 --> 00:57:46,063 This is where it's all happening. 1409 00:57:46,063 --> 00:57:49,767 This Local 299 violenceis a big story, 1410 00:57:49,767 --> 00:57:51,736 and everybody is ignoring it. 1411 00:57:51,736 --> 00:57:54,404 David: He was going after this story full board. 1412 00:57:54,404 --> 00:57:58,676 He was willing to put himself in harm's way to get the book. 1413 00:57:58,676 --> 00:58:01,979 Dan: There was one guy who was so upset about McMaster, 1414 00:58:01,979 --> 00:58:03,581 that I was asking questions about Mc ... 1415 00:58:03,581 --> 00:58:04,749 and this is a Hoffa guy. 1416 00:58:04,749 --> 00:58:06,183 This is a guy I felt comfortable with. 1417 00:58:06,183 --> 00:58:09,754 The guy pulls a gun out and sticks it in my mouth. 1418 00:58:10,087 --> 00:58:12,757 Yeah, sticks thefucking gun in my mouth. 1419 00:58:12,757 --> 00:58:15,325 Scott: Less than two months before Hoffa disappeared, 1420 00:58:15,325 --> 00:58:17,662 Little Fitz, Richard Fitzsimmons, 1421 00:58:17,662 --> 00:58:19,096 the son of Frank Fitzsimmons, 1422 00:58:19,096 --> 00:58:20,765 the current Teamsters president, 1423 00:58:20,765 --> 00:58:23,634 had his car blown out in the parking lot of Nemo's, 1424 00:58:23,634 --> 00:58:27,471 a popular tavern right by the 250 Local. 1425 00:58:27,471 --> 00:58:29,406 There was a lot of people that believed 1426 00:58:29,406 --> 00:58:31,475 that Hoffa set that bomb 1427 00:58:31,475 --> 00:58:34,244 and tried to kill Fitz and Little Fitz. 1428 00:58:34,244 --> 00:58:35,746 There are other people that believe 1429 00:58:35,746 --> 00:58:38,749 that there were actual Teamster goons 1430 00:58:38,749 --> 00:58:41,318 that set that bomb and that car 1431 00:58:41,318 --> 00:58:43,187 to make it look likeHoffa was trying to kill 1432 00:58:43,187 --> 00:58:45,690 the Fitzsimmons and in return would get Hoffa killed. 1433 00:58:45,690 --> 00:58:47,491 Voiceover: Teamster president Frank Fitzsimmons 1434 00:58:47,491 --> 00:58:49,794 is now a principal figure in the investigation 1435 00:58:49,794 --> 00:58:52,162 of the disappearance of James Hoffa. 1436 00:58:52,462 --> 00:58:54,498 But federal agents on the Hoffa case 1437 00:58:54,498 --> 00:58:58,235 are now taking a very closelook at Fitzsimmon's activities 1438 00:58:58,235 --> 00:59:00,671 just before and justafter Hoffa disappeared. 1439 00:59:01,038 --> 00:59:03,273 (suspense music) 1440 00:59:03,273 --> 00:59:04,942 Dan: It's impossible to believe 1441 00:59:04,942 --> 00:59:08,613 that the guys who were behind all of this Local 299 violence 1442 00:59:08,613 --> 00:59:11,749 which goes right up until 20 days before Hoffa disappears 1443 00:59:11,749 --> 00:59:14,652 with the bombing of Fitz and his car 1444 00:59:15,185 --> 00:59:18,255 and that these guys aren't involved in the [denouement] 1445 00:59:18,255 --> 00:59:20,958 when Jimmy Hoffadisappears on July 30th? 1446 00:59:21,425 --> 00:59:22,326 Please. 1447 00:59:22,627 --> 00:59:23,961 Scott: On the other hand, 1448 00:59:23,961 --> 00:59:25,630 you look at it and you say to yourself, 1449 00:59:25,630 --> 00:59:29,333 well, the Mafia familiesin New York, in Detroit, 1450 00:59:29,333 --> 00:59:34,639 they had a long list ofvery, very established 1451 00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:37,341 and well-honed executioners, 1452 00:59:37,341 --> 00:59:38,643 hitmen, if you will, 1453 00:59:38,643 --> 00:59:40,244 and it makes you think 1454 00:59:40,244 --> 00:59:42,346 why would they bring in a guy like McMaster 1455 00:59:42,346 --> 00:59:46,250 when they have so manyguys that can do the job 1456 00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:47,685 in their own backyard? 1457 00:59:47,685 --> 00:59:49,519 Keith: They wouldn't have trouble finding a house 1458 00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:52,757 or a location to do whatever they wanted to do. 1459 00:59:52,757 --> 00:59:54,091 And I don't think they would leave it 1460 00:59:54,091 --> 00:59:55,893 on a piece of property they own 1461 00:59:55,893 --> 00:59:58,528 or in a barn on RollandMcMaster's property, 1462 00:59:58,528 --> 01:00:00,698 unless they're trying toframe Rolland McMaster. 1463 01:00:00,698 --> 01:00:01,899 (suspense music) 1464 01:00:01,899 --> 01:00:03,067 Voiceover: We broke the story yesterday 1465 01:00:03,067 --> 01:00:05,535 how Frank Sheeran claims he shot Hoffa 1466 01:00:05,535 --> 01:00:08,138 two times in the back ofthe head in his house. 1467 01:00:08,138 --> 01:00:10,507 Sheeran was a Delaware Teamsters union president, 1468 01:00:10,507 --> 01:00:12,309 a self-confessed mob hitman, 1469 01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:13,944 a close friend of Jimmy Hoffa, 1470 01:00:13,944 --> 01:00:15,279 and the subject of a new book. 1471 01:00:15,279 --> 01:00:17,347 He says the mob ordered Hoffa's death 1472 01:00:17,347 --> 01:00:18,382 to prevent him from running 1473 01:00:18,382 --> 01:00:20,250 for the Teamsters' presidency. 1474 01:00:20,384 --> 01:00:24,554 Scott: Frank Sheeran was a high-ranking union official 1475 01:00:24,554 --> 01:00:26,924 out of Pennsylvania and Delaware, 1476 01:00:26,924 --> 01:00:29,794 as well as a high-ranking mob associate 1477 01:00:29,794 --> 01:00:32,396 that was very close to Russell Bufalino. 1478 01:00:32,396 --> 01:00:35,365 He was Bufalino's bodyguard and driver. 1479 01:00:35,365 --> 01:00:37,334 He was another man that would often act 1480 01:00:37,334 --> 01:00:39,904 as a go-between or a liaison 1481 01:00:39,904 --> 01:00:41,271 between the mob and Hoffa. 1482 01:00:41,271 --> 01:00:43,407 (sinister music) 1483 01:00:43,407 --> 01:00:47,044 David: They stopped at Port Clinton in Ohio, near Toledo. 1484 01:00:47,044 --> 01:00:50,380 Sheeran gets out, climbs on a small private plane, 1485 01:00:50,380 --> 01:00:51,548 and they fly to Detroit 1486 01:00:51,548 --> 01:00:53,951 and they land at the Pontiac Airport. 1487 01:00:53,951 --> 01:00:57,321 Sheeran gets on a carthat's waiting for him, 1488 01:00:57,321 --> 01:00:59,189 drives to this location, 1489 01:00:59,189 --> 01:01:01,325 picks up a couple of guys, 1490 01:01:01,325 --> 01:01:03,828 goes up to the Machus Red Fox to get Jimmy, 1491 01:01:03,828 --> 01:01:06,630 bring him back, and Sheeran kills him. 1492 01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:10,467 But I had a pilot tell me you can't just fly a private plane 1493 01:01:10,467 --> 01:01:12,602 to Pontiac Airport Metro Airport. 1494 01:01:12,602 --> 01:01:16,206 You got to get around the air traffic area. 1495 01:01:16,206 --> 01:01:19,343 And he found his story to be a little improbable. 1496 01:01:19,343 --> 01:01:20,978 George: You're going to get somebody like Frank Sheeran 1497 01:01:20,978 --> 01:01:22,780 who also claims to have been involved 1498 01:01:22,780 --> 01:01:24,481 in the murder of Joey Gallo 1499 01:01:24,481 --> 01:01:25,916 and also claims to have provided the guns 1500 01:01:25,916 --> 01:01:28,052 that were used in the Kennedy assassination. 1501 01:01:28,052 --> 01:01:30,420 Well, if those things are true, 1502 01:01:30,420 --> 01:01:33,590 this guy sitting under theradar for a very, very long time 1503 01:01:33,590 --> 01:01:34,925 and it's kind ofhard to believe. 1504 01:01:34,925 --> 01:01:37,061 Dan: They heard that Sheeran was writing a book, 1505 01:01:37,061 --> 01:01:39,864 and they wanted to bringme on as a consultant 1506 01:01:40,297 --> 01:01:41,766 about Sheeran. 1507 01:01:41,799 --> 01:01:43,667 But then that one fell apart 1508 01:01:43,667 --> 01:01:46,636 because they just caughthim in so many lies 1509 01:01:47,137 --> 01:01:50,474 and that apparently, MariaShriver had done the interview. 1510 01:01:50,775 --> 01:01:54,444 Once again, they're going to bring me on as a consultant, 1511 01:01:54,444 --> 01:01:57,347 and once again, Sheeran's lies just cause 1512 01:01:57,347 --> 01:01:59,216 the whole thing to fall apart. 1513 01:01:59,316 --> 01:02:02,519 In 2001, he says Sal Briguglio was the killer. 1514 01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:05,455 Then 2003, when Dateline NBC calls me, 1515 01:02:05,455 --> 01:02:07,591 there was one different thing. 1516 01:02:07,591 --> 01:02:08,993 I said, "What's that?" 1517 01:02:08,993 --> 01:02:11,561 He says, "Sheeran's nowclaiming that he is the killer." 1518 01:02:11,561 --> 01:02:14,264 And I go, like, "He is saying himself 1519 01:02:14,264 --> 01:02:15,933 "that he did the job?" 1520 01:02:15,933 --> 01:02:17,534 And he said, "Yeah." 1521 01:02:17,534 --> 01:02:18,869 He says, "What's more valuable, 1522 01:02:18,869 --> 01:02:20,805 "a book by a guy who was there 1523 01:02:20,805 --> 01:02:23,340 "or a book by a guy who actually pulled the trigger?" 1524 01:02:23,340 --> 01:02:25,609 David: I don't know what motivates a guy 1525 01:02:25,609 --> 01:02:28,512 to make up the story that says he killed Hoffa 1526 01:02:28,512 --> 01:02:29,947 before he died. 1527 01:02:30,014 --> 01:02:33,017 Well, these guys don't think the way the rest of us do. 1528 01:02:33,150 --> 01:02:36,453 I mean Sheeran was mostly concerned about the money 1529 01:02:36,586 --> 01:02:38,655 because he was going todie and he was broke, 1530 01:02:38,655 --> 01:02:40,657 and he needed to leave some money to his family. 1531 01:02:40,657 --> 01:02:42,893 Keith: I never boughtthe Frank Sheeran story. 1532 01:02:42,893 --> 01:02:45,662 I mean if you're the Mafia, all right? 1533 01:02:45,662 --> 01:02:47,164 If you're organized crime 1534 01:02:47,164 --> 01:02:50,167 and you're going to kill a person like Jimmy Hoffa, 1535 01:02:50,167 --> 01:02:51,101 kidnap and kill him, 1536 01:02:51,101 --> 01:02:52,369 why would you bring a guy 1537 01:02:52,369 --> 01:02:54,238 who's not part of your organization, 1538 01:02:54,238 --> 01:02:56,606 who's not subject to therules and discipline, 1539 01:02:56,606 --> 01:02:58,608 who hasn't agreed to what you believe in? 1540 01:02:58,608 --> 01:03:01,045 Why would you bring in somebody from the outside? 1541 01:03:01,045 --> 01:03:04,081 They certainly had more than enough people capable 1542 01:03:04,081 --> 01:03:06,083 and, in the government's opinion, 1543 01:03:06,083 --> 01:03:08,485 more than enough people who murdered people in the past? 1544 01:03:08,485 --> 01:03:12,056 There is no need to go outside and find anybody else. 1545 01:03:12,056 --> 01:03:15,025 Scott: I have a hardtime believing his story 1546 01:03:15,025 --> 01:03:16,693 strictly based on the fact 1547 01:03:16,861 --> 01:03:19,864 where he claims the murder took place. 1548 01:03:19,864 --> 01:03:23,333 He claims it took placeoff 7 Mile in Detroit 1549 01:03:23,333 --> 01:03:25,335 on a street named Beaverland, 1550 01:03:25,335 --> 01:03:28,505 which would be a good 20, 25-minute drive 1551 01:03:28,505 --> 01:03:30,107 from the Machus Red Fox. 1552 01:03:30,107 --> 01:03:32,943 And it's a house that hecan't source to anybody, 1553 01:03:32,943 --> 01:03:36,013 he can't claim whose house it was 1554 01:03:36,013 --> 01:03:37,581 or why they took him there. 1555 01:03:37,581 --> 01:03:39,649 Dan: There was a DNA analysis done 1556 01:03:39,649 --> 01:03:43,553 on the blood stains found in the entrance to the house. 1557 01:03:43,553 --> 01:03:46,223 They proved not to be Hoffa, 1558 01:03:46,223 --> 01:03:47,892 which was really disappointing to a lot of us 1559 01:03:47,892 --> 01:03:49,960 because we really wantedto see this thing done 1560 01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,395 once and for all. 1561 01:03:51,395 --> 01:03:53,230 Scott: I personally have a difficult time believing 1562 01:03:53,230 --> 01:03:55,632 that the Mafia would set up the Hoffa hit 1563 01:03:55,632 --> 01:03:58,468 in any place thatwasn't 100% controlled. 1564 01:03:58,468 --> 01:04:00,404 (sinister music) 1565 01:04:00,404 --> 01:04:02,239 Richard: He thought hewas speaking to somebody 1566 01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:08,045 who was a large-scale Italian drug importer from Europe 1567 01:04:08,045 --> 01:04:09,279 who came through Canada. 1568 01:04:09,279 --> 01:04:13,217 And Tony Palazzolobrought the RCMP officer 1569 01:04:13,217 --> 01:04:15,052 to this sausage factory. 1570 01:04:15,052 --> 01:04:18,455 And as the RCMP officer described it, 1571 01:04:18,455 --> 01:04:19,924 it was like a 1572 01:04:19,924 --> 01:04:21,825 organized crime hall of fame. 1573 01:04:21,825 --> 01:04:25,262 When he walked in, hesaw pictures on the wall 1574 01:04:25,262 --> 01:04:29,366 of Lucky Luciano, Al Capone. 1575 01:04:29,366 --> 01:04:30,800 There were crossed shotguns, 1576 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,736 as if they were crossed sabers. 1577 01:04:32,937 --> 01:04:34,704 During the course of that conversation, 1578 01:04:34,704 --> 01:04:38,042 which was used at the trial, 1579 01:04:38,508 --> 01:04:43,013 Tony Palazzolo pointed to the Auger, which was enormous, 1580 01:04:43,013 --> 01:04:45,815 and he said, "That's where Jimmy Hoffa is," 1581 01:04:45,815 --> 01:04:46,716 or was. 1582 01:04:46,716 --> 01:04:48,752 "That's where we put him." 1583 01:04:48,752 --> 01:04:54,024 And that is where I believe Jimmy Hoffa went. 1584 01:04:54,024 --> 01:04:56,360 I think he was ground up, churned up, 1585 01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,797 and put in sausage or otherwise. 1586 01:05:00,797 --> 01:05:03,433 Scott: Tony Palazzolo is definitely known 1587 01:05:03,433 --> 01:05:05,569 as someone that was looked at 1588 01:05:05,569 --> 01:05:08,338 as a possible participant in the Hoffa hit. 1589 01:05:08,338 --> 01:05:11,375 He is someone that is currently in the 2000s 1590 01:05:11,375 --> 01:05:13,243 a Detroit mob captain 1591 01:05:13,243 --> 01:05:15,212 but at the time of the disappearance 1592 01:05:15,212 --> 01:05:18,082 was a up-and-coming young buck in the mob 1593 01:05:18,082 --> 01:05:20,384 that had made his name as a bodyguard and driver 1594 01:05:20,384 --> 01:05:22,552 for Peter "Bozzi" Vitale. 1595 01:05:22,552 --> 01:05:24,989 The Vitales are anothergroup of mobsters 1596 01:05:24,989 --> 01:05:27,157 that had a lot of closeties with Jimmy Hoffa 1597 01:05:27,157 --> 01:05:28,758 and the Teamsters. 1598 01:05:28,758 --> 01:05:30,294 The fact that Tony Palazzolo 1599 01:05:30,294 --> 01:05:31,595 might have been involved in this 1600 01:05:31,595 --> 01:05:34,264 is frankly very easy to believe. 1601 01:05:35,865 --> 01:05:39,036 Keith: How did they get Jimmy into a car 1602 01:05:39,036 --> 01:05:41,005 when he was at the Red Fox 1603 01:05:41,005 --> 01:05:42,706 supposedly meeting Tony Giacalone? 1604 01:05:42,706 --> 01:05:44,074 If he goes, they seize him. 1605 01:05:44,074 --> 01:05:45,242 Who went to meet him? 1606 01:05:45,242 --> 01:05:46,810 Who was there to pick him up? 1607 01:05:46,810 --> 01:05:48,145 And who was there to explain 1608 01:05:48,145 --> 01:05:50,880 why he couldn't go with Tony Giacalone? 1609 01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,550 Billy Giacalone, hiswhereabouts on that day 1610 01:05:53,550 --> 01:05:56,486 are certainly not nearly as well known as his brother's. 1611 01:05:56,486 --> 01:05:58,088 If Billy had said, "Hey, look, Jimmy, 1612 01:05:58,488 --> 01:05:59,589 "Tony can't make it. 1613 01:05:59,589 --> 01:06:00,390 "He is here or there. 1614 01:06:00,390 --> 01:06:01,858 "Let's get in the car." 1615 01:06:02,526 --> 01:06:04,661 Dan: I know Vito Giacalone is in this thing. 1616 01:06:04,661 --> 01:06:07,331 Vito Giacalone is right in the middle of this whole thing. 1617 01:06:07,331 --> 01:06:09,533 I just can't figure outexactly where he is. 1618 01:06:09,533 --> 01:06:11,035 Mike: The State Police have been following 1619 01:06:11,035 --> 01:06:14,038 Billy Giacalone around that week that Hoffa disappeared. 1620 01:06:14,038 --> 01:06:16,673 They went out that morning that Hoffa disappeared 1621 01:06:16,673 --> 01:06:18,242 looking for him, andthey couldn't find him, 1622 01:06:18,242 --> 01:06:19,643 and nobody saw him all day, 1623 01:06:19,643 --> 01:06:22,646 so that tells me that he was probably there 1624 01:06:22,646 --> 01:06:24,781 as the Detroit representative. 1625 01:06:24,781 --> 01:06:27,717 Scott: I believe, after talking to numerous sources, 1626 01:06:27,717 --> 01:06:30,954 both in the FBI and on the street itself, 1627 01:06:30,954 --> 01:06:33,057 guys that are actually in the mob, 1628 01:06:33,057 --> 01:06:38,395 I believe that Hoffa was taken less than two miles away 1629 01:06:38,395 --> 01:06:41,331 to the house of Carlo Licata. 1630 01:06:41,331 --> 01:06:45,902 Licata was a Detroit mobmember, a mob soldier, 1631 01:06:45,902 --> 01:06:51,308 who was the brother-in-law of Jack and Tony Tocco. 1632 01:06:51,308 --> 01:06:55,245 Licata's house was lessthan a five-minute drive 1633 01:06:55,245 --> 01:06:57,081 from the Machus Red Fox. 1634 01:06:57,081 --> 01:07:01,185 Licata's house was also a place that Hoffa had been 1635 01:07:01,185 --> 01:07:04,888 to meet the Giacalones on several occasions before. 1636 01:07:04,888 --> 01:07:07,557 It was a house that wasused as a meeting point. 1637 01:07:07,557 --> 01:07:11,195 Licata himself was a trusted member of the family, 1638 01:07:11,195 --> 01:07:13,363 related to the administration, 1639 01:07:13,363 --> 01:07:16,966 as well as the house was almost a perfect location 1640 01:07:16,966 --> 01:07:20,137 in the sense that it was back on a hill, 1641 01:07:20,137 --> 01:07:21,705 removed from the road. 1642 01:07:21,705 --> 01:07:23,607 Greg: We think that he probably went to 1643 01:07:23,607 --> 01:07:26,510 Licata's house that wasn't too far. 1644 01:07:26,510 --> 01:07:28,712 Mike: I think they got him in a house, 1645 01:07:28,712 --> 01:07:30,614 and I think Billy Giacalone was probably there. 1646 01:07:30,614 --> 01:07:33,750 I think somebody like Andrettas, Briguglio, 1647 01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:35,119 somebody like that was there, 1648 01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:36,520 and he was killed, 1649 01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,190 and then he was taken and disposed of pretty quickly. 1650 01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:42,326 Greg: We think that theydisposed of the body 1651 01:07:42,326 --> 01:07:44,461 by taking it to the sanitation place 1652 01:07:44,461 --> 01:07:47,397 where they had contacts. 1653 01:07:47,397 --> 01:07:51,701 Scott: I'm convinced that within a half hour to a hour 1654 01:07:51,701 --> 01:07:53,603 of Hoffa breathing his last breath 1655 01:07:53,603 --> 01:07:55,339 that he was incinerated, 1656 01:07:55,339 --> 01:07:58,007 that the body ceases to exist, 1657 01:07:58,007 --> 01:08:02,512 and the ability to get rid of the body 1658 01:08:02,512 --> 01:08:06,283 was incredible with the Detroit mob 1659 01:08:06,283 --> 01:08:08,185 in the sense that they had three separate 1660 01:08:08,185 --> 01:08:12,222 sanitation companies allowned by mob members, 1661 01:08:12,222 --> 01:08:16,393 and the one that everyone looks at primarily, 1662 01:08:16,393 --> 01:08:17,794 Central Sanitation, 1663 01:08:17,794 --> 01:08:19,596 was owned by Jimmy Quasarano, 1664 01:08:19,596 --> 01:08:20,764 (camera flash) 1665 01:08:20,764 --> 01:08:22,031 Paul and Peter Vitale, 1666 01:08:22,031 --> 01:08:23,400 and Carlo Licata. 1667 01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:24,601 Keith: There are a number of people that think 1668 01:08:24,601 --> 01:08:26,436 Central Sanitation, the facility, 1669 01:08:26,436 --> 01:08:29,439 played a role in the disappearance of the body 1670 01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,341 of James Hoffa, 1671 01:08:31,341 --> 01:08:33,443 and clearly, Quasarano and Vitale 1672 01:08:33,443 --> 01:08:34,878 would have been people, 1673 01:08:34,878 --> 01:08:37,214 because of their equity interest in that company, 1674 01:08:37,214 --> 01:08:38,382 who would have, 1675 01:08:38,382 --> 01:08:40,684 had to be involved in the decision. 1676 01:08:40,684 --> 01:08:45,822 And remember, shortly after the events took place, 1677 01:08:45,822 --> 01:08:48,024 Central Sanitation burned to the ground. 1678 01:08:48,024 --> 01:08:49,193 Scott: And what I believe 1679 01:08:49,193 --> 01:08:50,860 really puts the theory over the edge 1680 01:08:50,860 --> 01:08:53,062 is that on the sixth-year anniversary 1681 01:08:53,062 --> 01:08:54,464 of Hoffa's disappearance, 1682 01:08:54,464 --> 01:08:57,501 on July 30th, 1981, 1683 01:08:57,501 --> 01:09:02,005 Carlo Licata himself ended up dead at that house 1684 01:09:02,005 --> 01:09:05,209 of two gunshot wounds to the chest. 1685 01:09:05,209 --> 01:09:06,210 (gunshot) 1686 01:09:06,210 --> 01:09:08,412 It was ruled a suicide, 1687 01:09:08,412 --> 01:09:09,746 but there are a lot of people, 1688 01:09:09,746 --> 01:09:12,382 both on the street and in law enforcement, 1689 01:09:12,382 --> 01:09:14,284 that believe this wasanything but a suicide, 1690 01:09:14,284 --> 01:09:16,019 that this was a message. 1691 01:09:16,019 --> 01:09:21,225 Keith: And obviously, Mr. Licata met his demise in that 1692 01:09:21,225 --> 01:09:25,462 whether it's generally considered to be a pedestrian manner. 1693 01:09:25,962 --> 01:09:28,965 Scott: Anyone that would even consider giving information 1694 01:09:28,965 --> 01:09:33,102 about the Hoffa hit, no matter how close they are 1695 01:09:33,102 --> 01:09:35,004 to the leaders of the mob, 1696 01:09:35,004 --> 01:09:37,407 they will be sacrificed. 1697 01:09:37,407 --> 01:09:39,509 (sinister music) 1698 01:09:42,412 --> 01:09:44,348 Voiceover: The report names Carlos Marcello 1699 01:09:44,348 --> 01:09:45,682 and Santo Trafficante 1700 01:09:45,682 --> 01:09:48,252 as the most likely organized crime bosses 1701 01:09:48,252 --> 01:09:49,586 to have been involved. 1702 01:09:49,586 --> 01:09:52,256 It provides evidence,some of it inconclusive, 1703 01:09:52,256 --> 01:09:55,158 that they and Teamster leader Jimmy Hoffa 1704 01:09:55,158 --> 01:09:58,495 threatened John Kennedy,Robert Kennedy, or both. 1705 01:09:58,495 --> 01:10:01,064 Further, it suggests associations through which 1706 01:10:01,064 --> 01:10:03,500 they could have influenced accused assassin, 1707 01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:04,868 Lee Harvey Oswald, 1708 01:10:04,868 --> 01:10:07,203 or Oswald's killer, Jack Ruby. 1709 01:10:07,203 --> 01:10:10,173 Teamster boss Hoffathreatened John Kennedy, 1710 01:10:10,173 --> 01:10:11,808 Robert Kennedy, or both. 1711 01:10:11,808 --> 01:10:15,211 The committee documents still unexplained phone contacts 1712 01:10:15,211 --> 01:10:17,013 between Hoffa aides and Ruby 1713 01:10:17,013 --> 01:10:19,048 within a month of the assassination 1714 01:10:19,048 --> 01:10:21,851 and says Hoffa had the motive, opportunity, and means 1715 01:10:21,851 --> 01:10:23,453 to plan the murder. 1716 01:10:23,453 --> 01:10:24,954 Richard: Now prior to that, 1717 01:10:24,954 --> 01:10:27,891 there were two witnesses who were also subpoenaed to appear 1718 01:10:27,891 --> 01:10:29,593 before the Church Committee, 1719 01:10:29,593 --> 01:10:32,462 Johnny Roselli and Sam Giancana, 1720 01:10:32,462 --> 01:10:36,400 and both of whom were executed 1721 01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,602 prior to their testimony. 1722 01:10:38,602 --> 01:10:42,506 So there is speculation that Jimmy Hoffa would have gone 1723 01:10:42,506 --> 01:10:44,541 to that committee and would have testified, 1724 01:10:44,541 --> 01:10:46,276 at least in part truthfully. 1725 01:10:46,376 --> 01:10:47,544 It's certainly clear 1726 01:10:47,544 --> 01:10:49,746 that those threemurders were connected. 1727 01:10:49,746 --> 01:10:51,581 Dan: The CIA-Mafia plots to kill Castro 1728 01:10:51,581 --> 01:10:55,151 really weren't knownuntil many years later, 1729 01:10:55,151 --> 01:10:57,821 when Johny Roselli started talking, 1730 01:10:57,821 --> 01:11:00,524 and then the Church Committee had their hearings, 1731 01:11:00,524 --> 01:11:05,094 and it was understood that Jimmy Hoffa was cooperating 1732 01:11:05,094 --> 01:11:06,530 with the Church Committee. 1733 01:11:06,530 --> 01:11:10,166 Richard: I think thatthat was the culmination 1734 01:11:10,166 --> 01:11:13,537 and the concern of the people or person 1735 01:11:13,537 --> 01:11:15,739 who ended Jimmy Hoffa's life, 1736 01:11:15,739 --> 01:11:17,907 that before that committee, 1737 01:11:17,907 --> 01:11:20,510 Jimmy Hoffa was going to say something 1738 01:11:20,510 --> 01:11:22,679 that nobody wanted him to say. 1739 01:11:22,679 --> 01:11:26,950 (sinister music) 1740 01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:28,752 Keith: By 1990, I became the chief 1741 01:11:28,752 --> 01:11:31,755 of the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section, 1742 01:11:31,755 --> 01:11:34,424 and it was my unit that was charged 1743 01:11:34,424 --> 01:11:37,026 with investigating the Hoffa disappearance. 1744 01:11:37,026 --> 01:11:39,363 You would hear stories of guys who claim they were 1745 01:11:39,363 --> 01:11:42,732 asked to dispose of a car or bring a package here 1746 01:11:42,732 --> 01:11:44,368 or bring a box here, 1747 01:11:44,368 --> 01:11:48,004 and the Bureau correctly assiduously pursued all of those, 1748 01:11:48,004 --> 01:11:49,539 but I never believed that. 1749 01:11:49,539 --> 01:11:51,608 I think that these guys knew 1750 01:11:51,608 --> 01:11:53,943 that they had to keep this operation 1751 01:11:53,943 --> 01:11:56,380 to members of their own organization, 1752 01:11:56,380 --> 01:11:58,181 keep the number of people involved 1753 01:11:58,181 --> 01:12:01,385 in any substantive way as small as possible. 1754 01:12:01,385 --> 01:12:03,453 Richard: Every time a wise guy was picked up 1755 01:12:03,453 --> 01:12:05,822 or every time a case was indicted, 1756 01:12:05,822 --> 01:12:09,225 if it was traditional La Cosa Nostra, 1757 01:12:09,959 --> 01:12:11,628 people would be asked about it, 1758 01:12:11,628 --> 01:12:14,998 then they would inherently give the same answer, 1759 01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:16,866 which was nothing. 1760 01:12:17,266 --> 01:12:19,168 Keith: I would say the one that we became 1761 01:12:19,168 --> 01:12:21,638 most excited about and ultimately turned out 1762 01:12:21,638 --> 01:12:23,206 not particularly beneficial 1763 01:12:23,206 --> 01:12:26,576 was the DNA evidenceon the hair sample and- 1764 01:12:26,576 --> 01:12:27,977 Greg: Analysis was done, 1765 01:12:27,977 --> 01:12:31,147 hair or more than one hair was found in the car 1766 01:12:31,147 --> 01:12:33,517 in the passenger compartment of the car 1767 01:12:33,517 --> 01:12:37,921 that indicated that Hoffa had been in that car. 1768 01:12:37,921 --> 01:12:39,656 We had hair fromhis hairbrushes, 1769 01:12:39,656 --> 01:12:42,626 and he said categorically unequivocally 1770 01:12:42,626 --> 01:12:45,795 that that dog had put Hoffa, 1771 01:12:45,795 --> 01:12:49,466 Hoffa's scent in the trunk of that, 1772 01:12:49,466 --> 01:12:51,735 of Joey Giacalone's Mercury. 1773 01:12:51,735 --> 01:12:53,670 That gives you the ideathat he was transported 1774 01:12:53,670 --> 01:12:56,606 wherever he was killed in the passenger compartment, 1775 01:12:56,606 --> 01:12:57,974 and for whatever reason, 1776 01:12:57,974 --> 01:12:59,543 when he was transportedsomewhere else, 1777 01:12:59,543 --> 01:13:00,810 he was in the trunk. 1778 01:13:00,810 --> 01:13:02,446 David: Hoffa had been in that car. 1779 01:13:02,446 --> 01:13:06,349 But the question is was he in the car the day that he died 1780 01:13:06,349 --> 01:13:07,350 or the day that he disappeared? 1781 01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:08,985 Who knows? 1782 01:13:09,052 --> 01:13:11,755 Voiceover: In 2003, investigators dug under a swimming pool 1783 01:13:11,755 --> 01:13:13,222 in Northern Michigan. 1784 01:13:13,222 --> 01:13:16,493 In 2004, they ripped up thefloorboards of a Detroit house. 1785 01:13:16,493 --> 01:13:18,462 Carol: Just where is Jimmy Hoffa? 1786 01:13:18,462 --> 01:13:19,829 And that question hasn't been answered 1787 01:13:19,829 --> 01:13:22,766 since the Teamsters boss disappeared three decades ago. 1788 01:13:22,766 --> 01:13:26,202 But this week, the FBI showed up at a Michigan horse farm 1789 01:13:26,202 --> 01:13:27,504 and started digging. 1790 01:13:27,504 --> 01:13:29,038 Dan: And I jumped out of my seat 1791 01:13:29,038 --> 01:13:31,508 and I did a quadruple fist pump, 1792 01:13:31,508 --> 01:13:36,913 hoping that it was thefarm I wanted it to be. 1793 01:13:36,913 --> 01:13:38,715 And slowly but surely, 1794 01:13:38,715 --> 01:13:39,883 the information came out, 1795 01:13:39,883 --> 01:13:42,552 and it was Rolland McMaster's farm. 1796 01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:45,188 They tore down the barn. 1797 01:13:45,188 --> 01:13:47,624 They had to rebuildthe barn, public money, 1798 01:13:47,624 --> 01:13:48,992 controversy. 1799 01:13:48,992 --> 01:13:51,027 The congressman out there raised hell, 1800 01:13:51,495 --> 01:13:53,329 and the dig stopped. 1801 01:13:53,329 --> 01:13:55,031 But the FBI said, 1802 01:13:55,031 --> 01:13:58,034 their last statement tothe New York Times was, 1803 01:13:58,034 --> 01:14:03,306 "We believe that Hoffa'sbody is buried here 1804 01:14:03,306 --> 01:14:05,174 "and that it has not been moved, 1805 01:14:05,174 --> 01:14:06,976 "and we may return to this place." 1806 01:14:06,976 --> 01:14:08,912 Mike: You're always going to have some boss somewhere 1807 01:14:08,912 --> 01:14:10,747 that wants to make his or her career 1808 01:14:10,747 --> 01:14:12,516 on the fact that they were the one who was in charge 1809 01:14:12,516 --> 01:14:13,983 when they found Jimmy Hoffa. 1810 01:14:13,983 --> 01:14:15,652 Bob: My name is Bob Foley. 1811 01:14:15,652 --> 01:14:17,587 I'm with the FBI's Detroit Division. 1812 01:14:17,587 --> 01:14:19,589 With me here, I've got Mike Bouchard, 1813 01:14:19,589 --> 01:14:20,990 Oakland County Sheriff, 1814 01:14:20,990 --> 01:14:22,559 and Geof Gaudard 1815 01:14:22,559 --> 01:14:24,994 with the Bloomfield Township Police Department. 1816 01:14:24,994 --> 01:14:28,164 The FBI and our partnersare here this morning 1817 01:14:28,164 --> 01:14:30,033 to execute a search warrant 1818 01:14:30,033 --> 01:14:32,301 based on information that we have 1819 01:14:33,136 --> 01:14:36,272 involving the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa. 1820 01:14:36,405 --> 01:14:37,807 Keith: There's really stories that 1821 01:14:39,543 --> 01:14:42,211 he heard this story from Tony Giacalone. 1822 01:14:42,912 --> 01:14:45,281 Tony: Mr. Hoffa was picked up 1823 01:14:47,584 --> 01:14:50,153 and taken and buried alive. 1824 01:14:50,153 --> 01:14:51,555 [crosstalk] 1825 01:14:51,555 --> 01:14:52,922 Voiceover: Anthony Zerilli gave the information 1826 01:14:52,922 --> 01:14:55,224 claiming that the property that Hoffa was put on 1827 01:14:55,224 --> 01:14:57,861 at the time was owned by Jack Tocco, 1828 01:14:57,861 --> 01:15:00,897 his cousin and the convicted mob godfather of Detroit. 1829 01:15:00,897 --> 01:15:01,998 Keith: Looking for money, 1830 01:15:01,998 --> 01:15:03,933 he's had some financial reversals. 1831 01:15:03,933 --> 01:15:06,402 He's looking for money,trying to write a book, 1832 01:15:06,402 --> 01:15:08,872 trying to get somebody to pay him some money. 1833 01:15:08,872 --> 01:15:10,273 Richard: Who has a Twitter account, 1834 01:15:10,273 --> 01:15:12,408 who has a website and Facebook, 1835 01:15:12,408 --> 01:15:16,212 and a website that says HoffaFound.com, 1836 01:15:16,212 --> 01:15:17,581 writing a book, 1837 01:15:17,581 --> 01:15:19,583 who's supposedly going to disclose 1838 01:15:19,583 --> 01:15:21,384 where Jimmy Hoffa is buried. 1839 01:15:21,384 --> 01:15:22,786 It's a kind of behaviorthat would make 1840 01:15:22,786 --> 01:15:25,388 Lucky Luciano spin in his grave. 1841 01:15:25,388 --> 01:15:27,256 And that's what traditional organized crime 1842 01:15:27,256 --> 01:15:30,393 has come to here, at least here in Detroit. 1843 01:15:30,459 --> 01:15:33,262 Scott: To me, it is agiant wild goose chase. 1844 01:15:33,262 --> 01:15:36,199 The fact that there arepeople running around 1845 01:15:36,199 --> 01:15:39,102 trying to find a body is ludicrous. 1846 01:15:39,102 --> 01:15:42,639 Richard: Solving that crime, very improbable at best. 1847 01:15:42,639 --> 01:15:45,074 Mike: I think it would be nice, but it's not essential. 1848 01:15:45,074 --> 01:15:46,676 I think there's other more important things 1849 01:15:46,676 --> 01:15:48,344 the Bureau is involved in nowadays 1850 01:15:48,344 --> 01:15:50,614 than solving Jimmy Hoffa's murder 1851 01:15:50,614 --> 01:15:54,417 Dan: This does not happen in America. 1852 01:15:54,618 --> 01:15:56,986 This murder must be solved. 1853 01:15:56,986 --> 01:15:58,421 Keith: I don't know any case 1854 01:15:58,421 --> 01:16:00,289 in the history of the federal government 1855 01:16:00,289 --> 01:16:02,025 criminal investigation 1856 01:16:02,025 --> 01:16:03,459 that has been looked at 1857 01:16:03,459 --> 01:16:06,195 as many different ways and as many different times. 1858 01:16:06,195 --> 01:16:08,297 George: There's no easyanswer to any of this, 1859 01:16:08,297 --> 01:16:10,299 and I don't think we'reever going to know. 1860 01:16:10,634 --> 01:16:12,435 (sinister music) 1861 01:16:12,435 --> 01:16:14,704 (rewinding tape) 1862 01:16:14,704 --> 01:16:15,672 (gunshot) 1863 01:16:15,739 --> 01:16:17,173 (light music) 1864 01:16:17,173 --> 01:16:18,541 Dr. Russell: Yeah, I think both the champions of Hoffa 1865 01:16:18,541 --> 01:16:20,209 and his detractors are wrong. 1866 01:16:20,209 --> 01:16:21,778 His champions think 1867 01:16:21,778 --> 01:16:25,682 that he was this great, wonderful, crusading union leader 1868 01:16:25,682 --> 01:16:27,751 who cared about the working class and his rank and file. 1869 01:16:27,751 --> 01:16:29,686 I don't see any evidence for that. 1870 01:16:29,886 --> 01:16:33,556 His detractors see him as this immoral satanic figure 1871 01:16:33,556 --> 01:16:36,826 who was willing to sell out his members for anything. 1872 01:16:37,326 --> 01:16:39,996 Hoffa was simply a product of his times. 1873 01:16:39,996 --> 01:16:42,498 Hoffa was militant because he had to be. 1874 01:16:42,799 --> 01:16:46,569 Hoffa was able to be militant because he could be. 1875 01:16:47,236 --> 01:16:49,438 Hoffa was simply interested 1876 01:16:49,438 --> 01:16:52,141 in advancing himself and his career 1877 01:16:52,141 --> 01:16:54,010 and enlarging his power within the union 1878 01:16:54,010 --> 01:16:55,278 and the labor movement. 1879 01:16:55,278 --> 01:16:56,713 He had no other motives. 1880 01:16:56,713 --> 01:16:58,147 He was a product of his times, 1881 01:16:58,147 --> 01:17:00,884 and that explains why he was who he was. 1882 01:17:01,250 --> 01:17:04,187 Al: Jimmy Hoffa hadoutlived his usefulness, 1883 01:17:04,187 --> 01:17:05,354 and he knew too much, 1884 01:17:05,354 --> 01:17:07,556 so it was just easier to kill him. 1885 01:17:07,556 --> 01:17:09,425 He had played a very complex game 1886 01:17:09,425 --> 01:17:10,593 for a long time, 1887 01:17:10,593 --> 01:17:13,029 and eventually, he overplayed his hand, 1888 01:17:13,029 --> 01:17:14,230 and that was it. 1889 01:17:14,230 --> 01:17:15,598 Dr. Buccellato: Was he a true believer? 1890 01:17:15,598 --> 01:17:17,300 Because I think early on, 1891 01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:19,068 he was a true believer in terms of 1892 01:17:20,937 --> 01:17:22,105 workers' rights. 1893 01:17:22,706 --> 01:17:25,041 It becomes difficult for him to detach 1894 01:17:25,041 --> 01:17:26,542 (slow piano music) 1895 01:17:26,542 --> 01:17:30,714 from these partnerships that he formed with the underworld. 1896 01:17:30,714 --> 01:17:31,981 People are coming after him 1897 01:17:31,981 --> 01:17:34,417 within his own labor movement. 1898 01:17:34,417 --> 01:17:36,552 The feds are coming after him. 1899 01:17:36,552 --> 01:17:38,454 I think that's a nice way of thinking about it, 1900 01:17:38,454 --> 01:17:41,190 is Shakespearean tragedy. 1901 01:17:41,190 --> 01:17:45,061 How do you navigate through these complicated 1902 01:17:45,061 --> 01:17:46,730 moral questions? 1903 01:17:47,396 --> 01:17:49,565 Al: If it wasn't for Jimmy Hoffa and others like him 1904 01:17:49,565 --> 01:17:51,167 to fight on behalf of workers, 1905 01:17:51,167 --> 01:17:53,737 there wouldn't have beenthat huge middle class 1906 01:17:53,737 --> 01:17:55,805 that girded the countryduring the so-called 1907 01:17:55,805 --> 01:17:58,541 golden age of the '50s and '60s. 1908 01:17:58,742 --> 01:18:00,810 He had to get his hands dirty to do it, 1909 01:18:00,810 --> 01:18:04,047 and he loved the power and the perks that came with it, 1910 01:18:04,047 --> 01:18:06,449 but so do politicians like the Kennedys, 1911 01:18:06,449 --> 01:18:10,253 and so do the so-called captainsof industry who he battled. 1912 01:18:10,253 --> 01:18:12,421 He didn't go to an Ivy League college, 1913 01:18:12,421 --> 01:18:14,023 he wasn't born with connections, 1914 01:18:14,023 --> 01:18:16,760 but he became one of the most powerful men in the country, 1915 01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,194 one of the most loved men 1916 01:18:18,194 --> 01:18:19,495 and one of the most hated. 1917 01:18:19,495 --> 01:18:20,897 (dramatic music) 1918 01:18:20,897 --> 01:18:23,599 They don't make men likeJimmy Hoffa anymore, 1919 01:18:23,599 --> 01:18:24,968 at least not in America. 1920 01:18:24,968 --> 01:18:30,306 (sinister music) 1921 01:18:40,016 --> 01:18:44,854 (soft music) 1922 01:18:45,688 --> 01:18:46,890 Man in glasses: I believe the Teamsters 1923 01:18:46,890 --> 01:18:51,795 are never going to take anything away 1924 01:18:51,795 --> 01:18:53,863 from their dedication to Mr. Hoffa 1925 01:18:53,863 --> 01:18:55,264 because he happens to be the person 1926 01:18:55,264 --> 01:18:57,200 that they knew and respected 1927 01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:59,435 for a great number of years. 1928 01:18:59,602 --> 01:19:01,204 I think they're all going to be delighted 1929 01:19:01,204 --> 01:19:03,139 over the fact that he's home. 1930 01:19:03,572 --> 01:19:05,875 I've had the associationof knowing Mr. Hoffa 1931 01:19:05,875 --> 01:19:08,044 since he was a young man of 17 1932 01:19:08,044 --> 01:19:10,279 and I was a youth of 18, 1933 01:19:10,279 --> 01:19:12,481 and I hope that thefact that I'm a Teamster 1934 01:19:12,481 --> 01:19:13,649 is not going to deny me the right 1935 01:19:13,649 --> 01:19:14,918 to be able to say hello to him. 1936 01:19:14,918 --> 01:19:20,189 (soft music) 141711

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