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Freeman: Time.
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It's all around us.
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[ Ticking ]
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But is it what we think it is?
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Time seems to flow forward...
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...But can it run backward?
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Do events unfold
one after another,
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or do past, present, and future
exist side-by-side?
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It's one of the most challenging
topics in science,
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questioning our most basic
assumptions about reality.
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Is time a fundamental part
of the Universe,
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or could it be
that time doesn't really exist?
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Space, time, life itself.
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The secrets of the cosmos
lie through the wormhole.
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♪ Through the Wormhole 2x03 ♪
Does Time Really Exist?
Original Air Date on June 22, 2011
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== sync, corrected by elderman ==
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What time is it?
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I could tell you it's 9:02 p.m.,
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but your time may vary,
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depending on where and when
you are.
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For most of us,
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time was a set of numbers we use
to gauge our days.
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We live our lives
by the clock --
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waking up, racing to work,
going to bed, and on and on.
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It wasn't always like that.
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[ Birds chirping ]
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When I was a kid,
summers were timeless.
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I had no particular place to be,
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no appointments to be kept.
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My days were bounded
only by the position of the sun.
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Time didn't matter so much
back then.
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Now my life
is a race against time.
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But what am I racing against?
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Is time a real thing
built into the universe?
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Or is it just an abstraction,
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something we humans created
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to keep our civilizations
running?
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For the answer,
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we have to ask
a deceptively simple question --
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what is time?
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Think about it.
Try to define it.
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It's not easy.
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Time is what keeps everything
from happening all at once,
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and so time is
that part of the world
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that orders events
in a certain way
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so they happen sequentially,
from beginning to end.
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[ Chuckles ]
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What we're realizing
in neuroscience
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is that time is not
what we thought it was.
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Time is not something
you're passively tracking.
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Instead, it's something
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that you're actively
constructing with the brain.
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And my brain and your brain
can be very different
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in terms of how they see
the same event.
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Time just does not exist.
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What exists is
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these distributions
of everything in the world,
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these what I call "nows."
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That's the real thing.
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What I enjoy about time is
the recording of it.
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Freeman:
To Roger Smith, time is money.
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His custom-made watches sell
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for hundreds of thousands
of dollars.
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The hardest part of the job is
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to get these jungles
of tiny gears and wheels ticking
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at precisely spaced intervals.
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To bring a watch to time,
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it can be quite a lengthy
and complex process,
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and this particular wheel
has to be perfectly balanced.
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And if it isn't
perfectly balanced,
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then your watch will keep
different rates,
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different times
in different positions.
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Freeman: Roger's goal is
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to get his watches
to match Greenwich Mean Time,
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the time that every clock
around the world uses
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as its baseline.
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It was named after this place --
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Greenwich, England.
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Time as we know it
was born here.
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In 1884,
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a world conference decided
that the Meridian Line
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that passes through
the observatory at Greenwich
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was to be
the initial meridian --
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the master time
for planet Earth.
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Greenwich Mean Time is
our best approximation of time
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as described
by sir Isaac Newton --
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a steady beat pounding
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behind the scenes
of the Universe.
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Newton believed the Universe
was like a giant clock
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set into motion by God.
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But Newton got it wrong.
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Lee Smolin
is a theoretical physicist
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trying to solve
the mysteries of time.
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Newton's concept of time
was that it was absolute.
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It was like a metronome,
which, as you said,
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ticks on absolutely,
without regard
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to whether anything is happening
in the Universe or not,
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even if nothing is happening.
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For example,
even if in our studio here,
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no music is playing,
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the metronome just kicks on
absolutely at the same rate,
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no matter what is going on.
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The problem with this is
that it's actually impossible
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for any of us to detect
absolute time.
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We don't detect absolute time.
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We detect time as relationships
between things that happen,
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and we can illustrate this
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by asking the musicians
to start up the music.
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One, two, three, four.
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[ Band plays
mid-tempo jazz music ]
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And they start to play,
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and they develop time
between themselves,
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a relational time
completely built
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from the relationships between
the notes they're playing,
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the events they're creating.
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That's what time is really like.
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So, we can turn
the metronome off.
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In fact,
we can just get rid of it,
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and the world keeps going on,
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the music keeps going on
just as before.
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[ Music continues ]
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This was the great insight
of Einstein,
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and it was the basis of his
general Theory of Relativity --
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that time is created
by the relationships
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of the changes that happen
in the Universe,
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and nothing else.
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Freeman: Even today,
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some people have
a hard time accepting
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Albert Einstein's
relational time
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over Isaac Newton's
absolute time.
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But the better we get
at telling time,
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the more we can see
that Einstein was right.
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This is the aluminum ion
experimental clock
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at the National Institute
of Standards and Technology
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in Boulder, Colorado,
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America's official timekeepers.
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It's the world's
most accurate clock,
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measuring the oscillations
of supercooled atoms.
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It keeps time
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to within one second
every 3.7 billion years.
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In 2010, Boulder's time lords
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took two ion clocks side by side
in perfect synchronization,
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then moved one of the clocks
up 12 inches.
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The higher clock
went out of sync.
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It beat just a tiny bit faster
than the lower clock,
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because the higher clock is
just a tiny bit farther away
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from the gravitational pull
of the Earth,
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which slows things down.
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Einstein predicted
this would happen
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back at the dawn
of the 20th century,
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and he was just getting started.
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If we perceived the Universe
as Einstein pictured it,
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life would not have to flow
in a smooth, linear progression.
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A simple act could be cut up
and rearranged
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with no logical direction
backward or forward,
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no beginning or end.
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This is how the Universe
would look
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if we were physically unstuck
in time.
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Sean Carroll is a physicist
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at the California Institute
of Technology.
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We live in space.
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All around us, there are
three dimensions of space.
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What Einstein realized is
that time is also a dimension.
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In fact, time and space are
one thing called space-time,
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which is four-dimensional.
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That's what we live in.
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That's what we move in
and live our lives through.
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Einstein furthermore realized
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that gravity is a manifestation
of the curvature of space-time.
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You have stuff
in the Universe --
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you know, a planet
or a black hole
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or some kind of mass
or energy --
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it warps the space and time
around it,
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and that's what we see
as gravity.
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And it really is the space-time
that gets warped.
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It's time as well as space.
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So, if you travel close
to a strong gravitational field,
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you feel the flow of time
differently than in outer space.
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Freeman: The relativity of time
causes a lot of strange effects,
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such as time running faster
for astronauts
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than people on Earth.
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But Einstein's solution
to the mystery of time
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opens up an even more
challenging notion.
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If we look around,
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we see that all of space exists
right here, right now.
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So, doesn't it follow
that all of time --
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past, present, and future --
already exists, as well?
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Could it be that the future
is already here?
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Physics says
that all the moments of time
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are equally real,
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and that tempts us into saying
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that they all exist
simultaneously,
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they all exist now,
but that's not what it's like.
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Different moments of time
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are really like different places
in space.
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They're not here.
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They exist,
but they're somewhere else.
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The difference is
that, unlike space,
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we can't help
but experience time
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one moment after the other.
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We can't go back
to moments in the past,
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and we can't, right now,
talk to moments in the future.
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Freeman: This sort
of temporal dislocation
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seems to contradict the laws
of physics and human experience.
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Or does it?
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Maybe not.
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This man would argue
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that the world is filled with
people who are unstuck in time
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and that time itself
may be all in our heads.
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Is time the steady beat
behind the Universe?
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Or is time
something that changes
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from place to place
and person to person?
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The older we get,
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the faster the currents of time
seem to carry us along.
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Our relationship to time
changes as we age.
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Studies show
that the passage of time
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seems to increase
by the square root of your age.
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So, if at 10 years old,
it's 1:1,
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when you're 20, it's 1:1.4.
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And by the time you're 60,
it's 1:2.44,
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about 2½ times faster.
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We all experience time
at one second per second,
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but it doesn't feel that way.
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David Eagleman of
the Baylor College of Medicine
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has spent much of his career
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puzzling out
how humans perceive time.
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He's found
that our perception of time
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is governed by biological
and psychological states.
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Many people will wake up
just before their alarm clock,
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because as their body's
circadian rhythm
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is moving along,
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the signals in their body
tell them...
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[ Clicks tongue ]
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...This is the time to wake up,
and then they pop awake.
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Freeman: Our time sense
can also be altered
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by things
such as sensory deprivation,
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overstimulation,
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and altered states
of consciousness.
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So, for example,
when people smoke marijuana,
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they sometimes feel like, "Wow,
I've been standing here forever.
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How long have I been here?"
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And it's as though their passage
of time is going slowly,
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but it's not exactly about
slow time perception.
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I believe it's about their
inability to nail down a memory,
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a landmark
of when they arrived there.
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And without that landmark,
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it feels like they've been there
for a very long time.
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Freeman: If you've ever been
in an accident,
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you might have experienced
the strange feeling
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that the whole event
was playing in slow motion.
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But unlike a narcotic haze,
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you recall everything
in vivid detail.
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This is another case
of memory warping time.
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What happens during
a really high-intensity event is
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you have an emergency control
center in your brain
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that kicks into gear
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and lays down very dense
memories during that event.
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So, it seems like
it must have taken a long time.
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Freeman:
At any given moment,
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the brain processes
and synchronizes
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an enormous amount
of information.
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Simple acts are
actually small miracles
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of the mind's speed and power.
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When you snap your fingers,
it looks like it's simultaneous.
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It looks like
the sight and the sound
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are happening at the same time.
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But in fact,
what's happening is...
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...Your auditory system
is able to take information
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coming in through the ears
and process that very quickly,
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whereas your visual system
is much slower.
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So, what happens is
your brain hears the sound,
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and then it sees the sight,
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and somehow it has to
take both of those
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and stitch them together
and serve up...
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[Clicks tongue]
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...A single story, which is
that they were simultaneous,
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even though the signals
are arriving at the brain
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at different times.
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This whole thing
is really smeared out in time,
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and yet it doesn't feel
that way to us.
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It feels as though
the whole thing is simultaneous.
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Freeman: It takes
a few millionths of a second
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for your brain
to put together information
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and serve it up
to your consciousness,
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which means that we're all
living a tiny bit in the past.
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This time delay is the tradeoff
our brains make
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to give us the best story
of what happened.
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But when the brain
doesn't get the story right,
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it can change
your relationship with time.
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Your personal time
becomes different from others',
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and that can have
very bad consequences.
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Medical journals tell
of the strange case
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of the man who went for a drive
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and noticed that the trees
and buildings by the road
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were speeding by
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as if he were driving
at 200 miles per hour.
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He eased up on the accelerator,
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but the cityscape
continued to whiz by.
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This man perceived the worldas having accelerated.
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In reality, he had slowed down.
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He walked and talked
in slow motion.
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He had become unstuck in time.
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It turned out
that his time sickness
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was caused by a brain tumor.
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Whatever time is,
it's deeply wired into us.
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We are all clocks
with our own internal time.
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David Eagleman suspects
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that going even slightly out
of sync with the flow of time
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can lead
to serious mental illness.
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I think that schizophrenia
might fundamentally be
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a disorder of time perception.
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So, imagine if there were some
deficit in your time perception
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where you didn't know
if your own actions were coming
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before or after
the sensory consequences.
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What would happen is
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you would have
a very fragmented cognition.
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You wouldn't know
which things you caused
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and which things
you didn't cause.
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Freeman: To show how flexible
our personal time can be,
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David devised an experiment
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that subtly warps a test
subject's perception of time.
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Eagleman: So, imagine that
I have you press a button
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and that causes
a flash of light.
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Now I inject a very small delay,
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so that when you hit the button,
the flash of light comes,
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let's say,
1/10 of a second later.
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What happens is your brain
gets used to that delay.
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It starts understanding
that when it puts out this act,
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the sensory feedback is a little
bit slower than it expected.
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So, it starts adjusting to that,
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and it starts to seem
simultaneous to you.
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Now, if I remove the delay --
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so now you hit the button and
the flash happens immediately --
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you will believe
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that the flash happened
before you pressed the button.
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This is exactly what happens
in schizophrenia.
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Somebody will make an act
and say, "It wasn't me.
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I don't feel like
I was the one who caused that."
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Freeman: Time seems to vary
from person to person,
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and the elastic nature
of our subjective time
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has caused David to wonder
whether time is, in fact, real.
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Eagleman:
I think that time might be
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the most stubborn psychological
filter that we have,
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and that when we start really
reaching down below that,
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when we start
really figuring out
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how time is constructed
by the brain,
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we're going to have to
go back to physics
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and rejig
all of the equations there.
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Freeman: Is it possible
to eliminate the human factor
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and pull time completely out
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of our physical description
of the Universe?
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This man says "yes."
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He's rejigged
Einstein's equations,
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and he's found
that time may not exist at all.
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Declaring that time
is an illusion
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may sound radical,
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but the denial of time
is an old idea --
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2,500 years old.
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In 500 B.C.,
the philosopher Parmenides
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declared that motion
is impossible
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because for an object to move
any distance,
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it would have to pass through
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an infinite series
of fractional steps
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to get from one place
to another,
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and no one
can take infinite steps.
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And if motion is impossible,
then change is also impossible.
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So, therefore,
time must be an illusion.
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No one knew
quite what to make of this.
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Surely, motion is real.
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Things do change
and time does pass, right?
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Maybe not.
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In an ancient village
in the English countryside,
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this man thinks that the laws
of quantum physics prove
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that Parmenides was right.
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His name is Julian Barbour.
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Decades ago, he began carefully
laying out a mathematical case
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that the universe
doesn't need time,
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which is a bit odd,
as he's surrounded by the past.
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We're standing in the town,
which is a very ancient street,
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and behind me is my home,
built 1659.
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Newton was 17 then,
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just seriously beginning
to think about time and motion.
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Freeman:
If time doesn't exist,
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what's all this?
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To Julian, everything we see
is an archaeological dig.
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Things are there first,
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and time is deduced from it
afterwards.
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He believes
this 1,000-year-old church
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and these
14th-century wall paintings
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are proof that the whole of time
exists in slices of space.
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Barbour:
Our past is just another world,
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or it's another possible
configuration of the Universe.
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It's another now.
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[ Bell tolls ]
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And this is literally true.
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The instant is not in time.
Time is in the instant.
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Freeman:
Julian's radical view of time
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grows out of
the Wheeler-DeWitt equation,
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a mathematical exercise
from the 1960s
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that sought to reconcile
Einstein's relativity
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with quantum mechanics.
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A strange thing happens
when you do this.
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You're left with an equation
that has no "T" for time.
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Since this runs counter
to observable reality,
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most saw the equation
as further proof
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that quantum physics
and relativity theory
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don't play well together.
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[ Bell tolls ]
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But to Julian,
it was a revelation.
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There is no unique history
in quantum mechanics.
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And if the evidence
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from the attempts to combine
quantum mechanics
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with Einstein's
general relativity is right,
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there is no time at all.
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Freeman: So at the deepest level
of reality,
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time doesn't exist.
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What matters is
how objects relate to each other
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in freeze frames of space.
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My view of the Universe --
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it's just like a huge collection
of snapshots
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which are immensely,
richly structured.
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They're not in any communication
with each other.
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They're worlds unto themselves.
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But each world is so rich
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that it's, so to speak,
part of this world.
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It's snapshots within snapshots.
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This is really what
our life is about.
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Freeman: Our brains assemble
these frozen moments
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and play them in our minds
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the same way
that still photographs
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played at 24 frames per second
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make the images you're watching
now seem to move.
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But nothing is moving.
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What we call "time"
is an illusion.
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Barbour:
In some very deep sense,
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the Universe,
the quantum universe,
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is just static.
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Nothing changes.
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Freeman:
And according to Julian,
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all of these snapshots
of the Universe
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exist simultaneously.
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If I were to say that
my yesterday no longer exists,
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it would be like the number 13
saying that 11 has died.
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Mathematicians would regard that
as ridiculous.
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This instant is so vital
and so alive,
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but in a way, it's eternal.
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This when you translate that
into mathematics,
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it's eternal.
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00:23:24,164 --> 00:23:28,401
Julian Barbour's view of time
may sound radical,
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but it's taken very seriously
by the physics community,
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which doesn't mean
everyone agrees with him.
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Far from it.
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Julian's close friend Lee Smolin
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is also one of
his biggest critics.
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Smolin:
Time is not an illusion.
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Time is not a construction.
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Time is not emergent.
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Time really is real.
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The idea
that time is an illusion
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has ignited a civil war
in physics --
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a war that pits friend
against friend.
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Is time an illusion we create
to make sense of the Universe?
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Neurologists and physicists say
it might be so.
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But there's another camp
that says we can't ignore
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what our senses and observations
tell us,
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that time really does exist.
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In this view,
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we experience the world
as a flow of moments
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because that's the way
nature is.
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Passage of time is a basic truth
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and, in fact, may be the one
true thing in the Universe.
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Tim Maudlin
is a philosopher of physics
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at Rutgers University.
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To say that the passage of time
is really an illusion
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suggests that it's not really,
really the case
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that I'm getting older
all the time,
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that I should be worried
that my death is, every day,
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one day closer to me and so on.
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But I just can't believe that.
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As hard as I try,
I can't believe it,
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and it doesn't fit
with the world I live in.
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Freeman: For Tim,
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it is just common sense
that time exists.
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So, why do some physicists
deny it?
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Tim thinks
it's an occupational hazard
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of working with math.
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00:25:30,975 --> 00:25:33,943
Our representations in physics
are all mathematical,
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and mathematical objects
are not in time.
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Mathematical objects
don't change.
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So, if you work too much
with numbers
491
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and numbers don't change
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and you're using that
to represent the world,
493
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it might seem hard to see
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how the world itself
can really be changing.
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People seem to be stuck
on the idea
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that the world has the features
497
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of the mathematics
that they use to represent it.
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That allowed people
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to get carried away
with their mathematics
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and lose sight
of the physical world.
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Freeman:
Julian Barbour believes
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space is all there is
and time is an illusion.
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Tim says
Julian has got it all wrong.
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We need time,
but we don't need space.
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Maudlin: We can make space
not fundamental,
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but time remains fundamental.
507
00:26:24,263 --> 00:26:26,696
There doesn't have to be
anything more than time,
508
00:26:26,698 --> 00:26:28,531
and you can't do it
the other way around.
509
00:26:28,533 --> 00:26:30,600
You have to start with space
and then get time.
510
00:26:30,602 --> 00:26:34,903
So, time is
at the very bottom level.
511
00:26:34,905 --> 00:26:37,306
I think even this is
what the physics is telling us,
512
00:26:37,308 --> 00:26:39,808
although we haven't been
paying enough attention to it.
513
00:26:41,644 --> 00:26:43,979
Freeman:
Did space come first...
514
00:26:43,981 --> 00:26:46,282
Or did time come first?
515
00:26:46,284 --> 00:26:48,518
This argument
leads all the way back
516
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,021
to the explosive birth
of our Universe --
517
00:26:51,023 --> 00:26:52,456
the Big Bang.
518
00:26:55,394 --> 00:26:59,664
Physicists agree
that the Big Bang created space.
519
00:26:59,666 --> 00:27:04,402
They don't agree
on whether it also created time.
520
00:27:04,404 --> 00:27:06,838
[ Mid-tempo jazz music plays ]
521
00:27:08,807 --> 00:27:11,775
Smolin: There's a lot of people
in physics and philosophy
522
00:27:11,777 --> 00:27:13,877
who think
that time is an illusion,
523
00:27:13,879 --> 00:27:15,211
that what's really true
524
00:27:15,213 --> 00:27:18,080
at the deepest, deepest level
is timeless,
525
00:27:18,082 --> 00:27:20,248
is outside of time.
526
00:27:20,250 --> 00:27:21,617
And I don't believe that.
527
00:27:21,619 --> 00:27:23,219
I used to believe that,
528
00:27:23,221 --> 00:27:24,787
but I've come to believe
529
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:27,056
that time is really,
really real.
530
00:27:27,058 --> 00:27:28,591
Freeman:
Lee Smolin believes
531
00:27:28,593 --> 00:27:31,761
that time is older
than the Universe --
532
00:27:31,763 --> 00:27:34,564
it was here before the Big Bang,
533
00:27:34,566 --> 00:27:36,966
and it will be here
after the Universe ends.
534
00:27:36,968 --> 00:27:40,236
And he thinks he can prove it
535
00:27:40,238 --> 00:27:43,873
by looking closely at
how particles of light behave
536
00:27:43,875 --> 00:27:45,975
over long distances.
537
00:27:45,977 --> 00:27:48,612
One of the core laws
of physics states
538
00:27:48,614 --> 00:27:53,684
that light travels
at 186,282 miles per second.
539
00:27:53,686 --> 00:27:56,253
If time is an illusion,
540
00:27:56,255 --> 00:28:00,491
then this will be true
everywhere in the Universe,
541
00:28:00,493 --> 00:28:02,893
no matter where we look.
542
00:28:02,895 --> 00:28:05,629
But if time is real,
543
00:28:05,631 --> 00:28:09,333
it's possible that
the laws of physics have changed
544
00:28:09,335 --> 00:28:13,070
as the Universe has aged.
545
00:28:13,072 --> 00:28:16,373
If a basic law of physics
such as the speed of light
546
00:28:16,375 --> 00:28:19,977
doesn't hold true out in
the oldest part of the Universe,
547
00:28:19,979 --> 00:28:22,746
we'll know
that physics has evolved
548
00:28:22,748 --> 00:28:25,249
since the Universe was born,
549
00:28:25,251 --> 00:28:29,787
so time can't be an illusion.
550
00:28:29,789 --> 00:28:31,356
There should be some experiments
551
00:28:31,358 --> 00:28:33,291
where, if you look
very sensitively,
552
00:28:33,293 --> 00:28:36,094
maybe the speed of light
is not Universal.
553
00:28:36,096 --> 00:28:38,797
And there are such experiments
which are being done.
554
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:40,699
[ Beeping ]
555
00:28:40,701 --> 00:28:42,601
Freeman:
The Fermi Space Telescope
556
00:28:42,603 --> 00:28:44,636
is one such experiment.
557
00:28:44,638 --> 00:28:47,706
Fermi records
gamma-ray bursts --
558
00:28:47,708 --> 00:28:50,208
strange blasts of energy
559
00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:52,811
from the farthest reaches
of the Universe.
560
00:28:52,813 --> 00:28:56,747
These bursts give us the chance
to check out the laws of physics
561
00:28:56,749 --> 00:29:00,017
as they were
13 billion years ago.
562
00:29:01,486 --> 00:29:04,855
Imagine two photons
race out of a gamma-ray burst
563
00:29:04,857 --> 00:29:07,892
10 billion light-years away.
564
00:29:07,894 --> 00:29:13,231
One photon bursts
with more energy than the other.
565
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,268
In our part of the Universe,
566
00:29:17,270 --> 00:29:22,174
both photons will travel
at exactly the same speed.
567
00:29:22,176 --> 00:29:24,243
But if the physics of light
are different
568
00:29:24,245 --> 00:29:26,879
in an older part
of the Universe,
569
00:29:26,881 --> 00:29:29,714
Lee believes
the higher-energy photon
570
00:29:29,716 --> 00:29:31,850
should fall slightly behind.
571
00:29:35,755 --> 00:29:37,723
Smolin: It would break down
at the point where,
572
00:29:37,725 --> 00:29:39,658
after 10 billion years,
573
00:29:39,660 --> 00:29:41,761
one of them would be a second
or two or three seconds ahead,
574
00:29:41,763 --> 00:29:45,865
but that's enough
to be detected.
575
00:29:45,867 --> 00:29:48,735
Even one second worth
over 10 billion years --
576
00:29:48,737 --> 00:29:50,103
we can detect that.
577
00:29:50,105 --> 00:29:52,573
Freeman: The gamma-ray burst
data from Fermi
578
00:29:52,575 --> 00:29:55,276
will come in
over the next few years.
579
00:29:55,278 --> 00:29:57,545
Lee may soon have his proof
580
00:29:57,547 --> 00:30:00,715
that the now
of 13 billion years ago
581
00:30:00,717 --> 00:30:03,551
is truly different from our now,
582
00:30:03,553 --> 00:30:07,388
and therefore,
time must be real.
583
00:30:07,390 --> 00:30:11,492
Conclusive proof that the laws
of physics change over time
584
00:30:11,494 --> 00:30:13,194
would settle the debate
585
00:30:13,196 --> 00:30:16,964
over whether time is real
or an illusion.
586
00:30:16,966 --> 00:30:21,134
But it still leaves
a big question unanswered --
587
00:30:21,136 --> 00:30:23,671
why is there time?
588
00:30:23,673 --> 00:30:27,308
In theory, physics
doesn't seem to need time,
589
00:30:27,310 --> 00:30:30,879
and yet we feel ourselves
moving through it.
590
00:30:30,881 --> 00:30:33,882
If time wasn't born
in our minds,
591
00:30:33,884 --> 00:30:36,084
then where did it come from?
592
00:30:37,821 --> 00:30:40,490
Sean Carroll
thinks he has the answer.
593
00:30:40,492 --> 00:30:44,159
But it takes
an evil-twin Universe
594
00:30:44,161 --> 00:30:47,996
with backward-flowing time
to make it all work.
595
00:30:54,730 --> 00:30:57,765
Theories abound
about how time works,
596
00:30:57,767 --> 00:31:01,102
in the Universe
and in our minds.
597
00:31:01,104 --> 00:31:04,840
But it's a rare physicist
who asks the question,
598
00:31:04,842 --> 00:31:07,643
"Why is there time?"
599
00:31:07,645 --> 00:31:11,080
If time isn't something
we humans invented,
600
00:31:11,082 --> 00:31:14,851
then where did it come from?
601
00:31:14,853 --> 00:31:19,524
Sean Carroll thinks he knows.
602
00:31:19,526 --> 00:31:22,193
Sean is a theoretical physicist
603
00:31:22,195 --> 00:31:25,296
at the California Institute
of Technology.
604
00:31:25,298 --> 00:31:26,597
Time is real.
605
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:29,233
We use it every day.
The evidence is all around us.
606
00:31:29,235 --> 00:31:30,501
But as scientists,
607
00:31:30,503 --> 00:31:32,770
the more we think about
what time really means,
608
00:31:32,772 --> 00:31:34,439
the more mysterious it becomes.
609
00:31:34,441 --> 00:31:37,142
Freeman: Sean accepts
the common-sense idea
610
00:31:37,144 --> 00:31:40,811
that time moves forward
from the past to the future,
611
00:31:40,813 --> 00:31:42,479
like an arrow.
612
00:31:42,481 --> 00:31:45,449
But why does time have
a direction?
613
00:31:45,451 --> 00:31:48,151
Sean believes
the answer is closely tied
614
00:31:48,153 --> 00:31:51,388
to something called entropy.
615
00:31:56,928 --> 00:32:00,196
What makes time special
is a law of physics,
616
00:32:00,198 --> 00:32:01,631
the second law
of thermodynamics.
617
00:32:01,633 --> 00:32:03,466
The second law essentially says
618
00:32:03,468 --> 00:32:05,968
that as time goes on,
entropy increases.
619
00:32:05,970 --> 00:32:09,906
Entropy is telling us
how messy things are,
620
00:32:09,908 --> 00:32:12,809
how disorderly, how chaotic
things are in the Universe.
621
00:32:12,811 --> 00:32:14,077
So in the past,
622
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:16,079
if you go all the way back
to the early Universe,
623
00:32:16,081 --> 00:32:17,614
it was very organized.
624
00:32:17,616 --> 00:32:20,183
It was like this delicately
arranged configuration
625
00:32:20,185 --> 00:32:21,518
of billiard balls.
626
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,853
As time goes on,
it's like we're playing pool --
627
00:32:23,855 --> 00:32:25,422
the first thing we do...
628
00:32:27,157 --> 00:32:30,827
...Is we increase
the chaos of the Universe.
629
00:32:30,829 --> 00:32:33,263
As time goes on in the Universe
as a whole,
630
00:32:33,265 --> 00:32:36,066
disorderliness, entropy goes up.
631
00:32:38,269 --> 00:32:41,338
Freeman: Since the explosive
birth of the Universe,
632
00:32:41,340 --> 00:32:43,673
the increase of entropy
is the reason
633
00:32:43,675 --> 00:32:47,210
why the past is different
from the future...
634
00:32:47,212 --> 00:32:50,946
Why there is an arrow of time...
635
00:32:50,948 --> 00:32:53,315
Why we remember the past...
636
00:32:53,317 --> 00:32:55,551
Why we grow older...
637
00:32:55,553 --> 00:32:58,721
Why evolution happens
the way it does.
638
00:32:58,723 --> 00:33:03,993
It's all because
of this increase of entropy.
639
00:33:05,662 --> 00:33:08,798
So, where's the mystery?
Entropy goes up as time goes on.
640
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,866
But interestingly,
641
00:33:09,868 --> 00:33:11,868
in the fundamental
laws of physics
642
00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:13,604
underlying everything around us,
643
00:33:13,606 --> 00:33:16,173
there is no difference
between the past and the future.
644
00:33:16,175 --> 00:33:19,477
The laws handed down to us
by Isaac Newton,
645
00:33:19,479 --> 00:33:21,946
Albert Einstein,
even in quantum mechanics,
646
00:33:21,948 --> 00:33:23,280
you have no distinction
647
00:33:23,282 --> 00:33:26,417
between one direction of time
and the other.
648
00:33:26,419 --> 00:33:28,786
So, if you have
a very simple physical system,
649
00:33:28,788 --> 00:33:30,254
like just two billiard balls,
650
00:33:30,256 --> 00:33:31,522
when you knock one
into the other...
651
00:33:33,892 --> 00:33:35,326
...There is no difference
652
00:33:35,328 --> 00:33:36,861
between one direction of time
and the other.
653
00:33:36,863 --> 00:33:38,629
You could play
that movie backwards,
654
00:33:38,631 --> 00:33:40,030
it would look perfectly normal.
655
00:33:40,032 --> 00:33:42,966
It's only when we get to
complicated, macroscopic systems
656
00:33:42,968 --> 00:33:45,970
that there's a difference
between the past and the future.
657
00:33:45,972 --> 00:33:48,238
When we have lots of balls
on the billiard table,
658
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,074
things happen
in one direction of time
659
00:33:50,076 --> 00:33:51,275
but not the other.
660
00:33:51,277 --> 00:33:53,611
Or when all hell breaks loose
in the pool hall.
661
00:33:53,613 --> 00:33:54,879
[ Both grunting ]
662
00:34:03,055 --> 00:34:05,957
So, now we have noise,
663
00:34:05,959 --> 00:34:08,726
breaking glass,
blood splattering.
664
00:34:08,728 --> 00:34:09,861
These are all processes
665
00:34:09,863 --> 00:34:11,963
that increase the entropy
of the Universe.
666
00:34:11,965 --> 00:34:14,766
Together, all of these increases
of entropy
667
00:34:14,768 --> 00:34:16,300
define the arrow of time.
668
00:34:16,302 --> 00:34:17,601
The question is,
669
00:34:17,603 --> 00:34:20,671
why was the entropy so low
to begin with?
670
00:34:20,673 --> 00:34:23,374
Our Universe seems to be
out of balance.
671
00:34:23,376 --> 00:34:24,675
The far, far future
672
00:34:24,677 --> 00:34:27,579
is going to be
a very, very disorganized place,
673
00:34:27,581 --> 00:34:30,749
but the far, far past
was highly organized.
674
00:34:30,751 --> 00:34:34,019
As physicists, this kind
of imbalance really bugs us.
675
00:34:38,793 --> 00:34:40,961
Freeman:
Sean looked for an explanation
676
00:34:40,963 --> 00:34:43,330
of this imbalance of time,
677
00:34:43,332 --> 00:34:45,999
and he found it
in the multiverse.
678
00:34:46,001 --> 00:34:49,402
According to this theory,
the Universe we see
679
00:34:49,404 --> 00:34:54,341
could be one of an infinite
number of Universes.
680
00:34:54,343 --> 00:34:56,711
Carroll:
Imagine a mommy Universe.
681
00:34:56,713 --> 00:34:58,279
So, this mommy Universe
682
00:34:58,281 --> 00:35:00,814
can essentially give birth
to baby Universes.
683
00:35:02,650 --> 00:35:04,651
A little quantum fluctuation
684
00:35:04,653 --> 00:35:08,487
can make a bubble of space that
starts small and then grows --
685
00:35:08,489 --> 00:35:11,990
starts with low entropy
and then increases in entropy,
686
00:35:11,992 --> 00:35:13,792
just like our Universe does.
687
00:35:13,794 --> 00:35:16,161
Freeman:
So, a mother Universe
688
00:35:16,163 --> 00:35:19,097
gives birth
to a Universe like ours --
689
00:35:19,099 --> 00:35:23,834
a Universe where
the arrow of time moves forward.
690
00:35:23,836 --> 00:35:25,703
But to stay in balance,
691
00:35:25,705 --> 00:35:29,006
it also has to give birth
to a mirror-image Universe,
692
00:35:29,008 --> 00:35:31,942
where time moves backward.
693
00:35:31,944 --> 00:35:34,645
This means that
in some other dimension,
694
00:35:34,647 --> 00:35:38,283
our Universe has an evil twin.
695
00:35:38,285 --> 00:35:41,419
Every bubble is its own Universe
with its own arrow of time.
696
00:35:41,421 --> 00:35:44,056
Within each bubble,
the arrow of time seems fine,
697
00:35:44,058 --> 00:35:46,792
but if you compare different
bubbles to each other,
698
00:35:46,794 --> 00:35:49,529
the arrows will be pointing
in opposite directions.
699
00:35:49,531 --> 00:35:50,964
Freeman:
Sean's multiverse theory
700
00:35:50,966 --> 00:35:54,401
has attracted a lot of attention
since it was introduced.
701
00:35:54,403 --> 00:35:57,404
But will it prove to be
the ultimate solution
702
00:35:57,406 --> 00:36:01,342
to the mystery of time?
703
00:36:01,344 --> 00:36:03,944
Well, part of making progress
in physics is saying,
704
00:36:03,946 --> 00:36:06,280
"What if this is true?
What if that is true?"
705
00:36:06,282 --> 00:36:08,115
And sometimes
when you say "What if?"
706
00:36:08,117 --> 00:36:10,350
You realize, "Oh,
making that hypothetical leap
707
00:36:10,352 --> 00:36:12,785
really helps us with all these
problems we're having."
708
00:36:12,787 --> 00:36:14,687
Other times,
it just gets you in a mess.
709
00:36:14,689 --> 00:36:19,691
Quantum mechanics
and the multiverse theory
710
00:36:19,693 --> 00:36:25,364
give us interesting ways to
grapple with the riddle of time.
711
00:36:25,366 --> 00:36:28,901
What happens when we add
string theory into the mix?
712
00:36:28,903 --> 00:36:30,202
[ Blink! ]
713
00:36:30,204 --> 00:36:31,670
[ Distorted voice ]
Serious weirdness.
714
00:36:31,672 --> 00:36:32,738
[ Slump! ]
715
00:36:37,737 --> 00:36:41,006
The mystery of time
has many possible solutions --
716
00:36:41,008 --> 00:36:45,611
time is absolute
or it is relative;
717
00:36:45,613 --> 00:36:47,746
time is an illusion
718
00:36:47,748 --> 00:36:51,350
or it is the very real product
of entropy.
719
00:36:51,352 --> 00:36:54,887
But there is
one other possibility --
720
00:36:54,889 --> 00:36:57,489
an idea that challenges
our assumptions
721
00:36:57,491 --> 00:37:02,093
about yesterday, today,
and tomorrow.
722
00:37:02,095 --> 00:37:06,363
To us, time seems to flow
from left to right,
723
00:37:06,365 --> 00:37:10,868
but what if it also goes
up and down?
724
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:15,273
What if time, like space,
has more than one dimension --
725
00:37:15,275 --> 00:37:20,245
a hidden dimension
that we can't see?
726
00:37:20,247 --> 00:37:24,650
Steve Weinstein, a scientist
at the Perimeter Institute,
727
00:37:24,652 --> 00:37:27,086
thinks it could be true
728
00:37:27,088 --> 00:37:30,856
and that it may solve
another great mystery --
729
00:37:30,858 --> 00:37:33,059
the riddle
of quantum uncertainty.
730
00:37:33,061 --> 00:37:37,696
Steve is a physicist,
philosopher,
731
00:37:37,698 --> 00:37:39,831
and professional musician.
732
00:37:39,833 --> 00:37:41,900
His view of time grows out of
733
00:37:41,902 --> 00:37:45,904
one of the most mathematically
dense ideas in science --
734
00:37:45,906 --> 00:37:47,539
string theory.
735
00:37:47,541 --> 00:37:50,074
String theorists believe
736
00:37:50,076 --> 00:37:53,445
that space has more than
the three dimensions we see.
737
00:37:53,447 --> 00:37:55,446
This got Steve to thinking
738
00:37:55,448 --> 00:37:59,317
that the same idea
could be applied to time.
739
00:37:59,319 --> 00:38:00,785
Weinstein:
I thought, "well,
740
00:38:00,787 --> 00:38:03,988
"Why do we multiply
spatial dimensions so freely,
741
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:05,322
"but not time?
742
00:38:05,324 --> 00:38:07,023
"And, you know,
is there any good reason?"
743
00:38:07,025 --> 00:38:08,892
So there was
a sort of curiosity there.
744
00:38:08,894 --> 00:38:11,294
Freeman:
Steve set to work.
745
00:38:11,296 --> 00:38:14,064
Time has always been treated
as a line --
746
00:38:14,066 --> 00:38:16,266
a one-dimensional thing.
747
00:38:16,268 --> 00:38:20,503
But if time has two dimensions,
then time isn't a line.
748
00:38:20,505 --> 00:38:21,805
It's a shape.
749
00:38:21,807 --> 00:38:24,307
Weinstein: If you look at
this guitar cable from far away,
750
00:38:24,309 --> 00:38:26,609
it looks like
a one-dimensional object.
751
00:38:26,611 --> 00:38:28,078
It just looks like a line.
752
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,313
If you get up close,
753
00:38:29,315 --> 00:38:32,649
you can see
that it has another dimension,
754
00:38:32,651 --> 00:38:35,251
which has to do with
the circumference of the cable.
755
00:38:35,253 --> 00:38:37,486
It's like a cylinder.
756
00:38:37,488 --> 00:38:39,355
Our world
looks three-dimensional
757
00:38:39,357 --> 00:38:41,791
in the same way
that this cable from far away
758
00:38:41,793 --> 00:38:43,025
looks one-dimensional.
759
00:38:44,728 --> 00:38:48,598
Freeman: According to Steve,
if time has an extra dimension,
760
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,101
then fundamental particles
like electrons and photons
761
00:38:52,103 --> 00:38:55,438
are smeared across time.
762
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,109
So, an ordinary way
of describing a particle
763
00:38:59,111 --> 00:39:01,144
would be to talk about
its position
764
00:39:01,146 --> 00:39:02,479
at any moment in time.
765
00:39:02,481 --> 00:39:04,715
So the particle, or the pick,
could be here or here
766
00:39:04,717 --> 00:39:07,284
or here or here or here or here.
767
00:39:07,286 --> 00:39:09,419
So, if I were to graph that
768
00:39:09,421 --> 00:39:11,989
and I had the time
as a vertical axis,
769
00:39:11,991 --> 00:39:13,824
I would just draw that.
770
00:39:13,826 --> 00:39:16,526
Now, if you have
an extra time dimension,
771
00:39:16,528 --> 00:39:19,362
you might visualize
the time dimension
772
00:39:19,364 --> 00:39:22,131
perpendicular
to the guitar neck,
773
00:39:22,133 --> 00:39:23,666
in this direction.
774
00:39:23,668 --> 00:39:25,667
The particle could be --
775
00:39:25,669 --> 00:39:28,036
it might be here,
776
00:39:28,038 --> 00:39:31,339
and it might be here,
and it might be over here.
777
00:39:31,341 --> 00:39:33,976
Freeman:
To put it another way,
778
00:39:33,978 --> 00:39:37,413
quantum theory tells us
that subatomic particles
779
00:39:37,415 --> 00:39:40,918
don't have definite addresses
in space.
780
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,154
We can only guess
where they probably live.
781
00:39:44,156 --> 00:39:48,058
Steve suspects
they do have addresses,
782
00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:50,294
but those addresses
are spread out
783
00:39:50,296 --> 00:39:52,497
across an extra dimension
of time
784
00:39:52,499 --> 00:39:54,598
that we can't detect.
785
00:39:55,801 --> 00:39:59,871
If true,
this revolutionizes physics.
786
00:39:59,873 --> 00:40:03,941
The fuzzy quantum world
suddenly snaps into focus.
787
00:40:03,943 --> 00:40:05,276
But unfortunately,
788
00:40:05,278 --> 00:40:07,845
proving two-dimensional time
is real
789
00:40:07,847 --> 00:40:11,582
may be next to impossible.
790
00:40:11,584 --> 00:40:13,984
For one thing,
it's not easy to understand,
791
00:40:13,986 --> 00:40:16,153
even for other physicists.
792
00:40:16,155 --> 00:40:19,055
The math required
to describe a Universe
793
00:40:19,057 --> 00:40:22,725
with two dimensions of time
is difficult.
794
00:40:22,727 --> 00:40:26,963
Add in the nine spatial
dimensions of string theory,
795
00:40:26,965 --> 00:40:29,799
and people's heads explode.
796
00:40:29,801 --> 00:40:32,102
[ Crash! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! ]
797
00:40:32,104 --> 00:40:35,004
It's very challenging
conceptually.
798
00:40:35,006 --> 00:40:37,139
It's the hardest problem
I've ever worked on,
799
00:40:37,141 --> 00:40:39,275
and I think this is why
more people don't do it.
800
00:40:39,277 --> 00:40:41,310
It's very hard
to think in these terms --
801
00:40:41,312 --> 00:40:43,312
what would an extra time mean?
802
00:40:43,314 --> 00:40:45,147
[ Guitar playing ]
803
00:40:45,149 --> 00:40:46,381
Freeman: Nonetheless,
804
00:40:46,383 --> 00:40:50,117
Steve thinks
it's worth the effort.
805
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,152
Weinstein:
Multiple times is one way,
806
00:40:52,154 --> 00:40:55,756
possibly the wrong way,
but it's a different way of --
807
00:40:55,758 --> 00:40:57,158
and a radically different way --
808
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,927
of conceptualizing
the physical world.
809
00:41:01,097 --> 00:41:03,432
Freeman: The physicists
exploring the mystery of time
810
00:41:03,434 --> 00:41:06,302
have very different ways
of looking at the Universe,
811
00:41:06,304 --> 00:41:08,938
but they all agree on
one thing --
812
00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:11,408
we'll never solve the mystery
813
00:41:11,410 --> 00:41:14,277
if we don't do
the detective work.
814
00:41:14,279 --> 00:41:16,378
Smolin:
You have to work really hard,
815
00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:19,548
and you have to be prepared
to fail over and over again
816
00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:22,084
and to make mistakes
over and over again.
817
00:41:22,086 --> 00:41:24,286
But I think that
that wisdom also applies
818
00:41:24,288 --> 00:41:26,255
to the whole community
of science.
819
00:41:26,257 --> 00:41:30,359
That is, we have to experiment
with every stupid, wrong idea
820
00:41:30,361 --> 00:41:32,861
before we get
onto the right one.
821
00:41:32,863 --> 00:41:36,565
Time may be real
822
00:41:36,567 --> 00:41:39,602
or it may be an illusion.
823
00:41:39,604 --> 00:41:42,104
But from our perspective,
824
00:41:42,106 --> 00:41:44,273
the past is gone forever,
825
00:41:44,275 --> 00:41:47,042
and the future
is yet to be written.
826
00:41:47,044 --> 00:41:48,978
Whether or not we discover
827
00:41:48,980 --> 00:41:52,883
there are physical aspects
of time we can't perceive,
828
00:41:52,885 --> 00:41:54,584
our human experience
829
00:41:54,586 --> 00:41:58,022
of the endless cycle
of life and death won't change.
830
00:41:58,024 --> 00:42:01,025
The golden summers
of my childhood
831
00:42:01,027 --> 00:42:03,162
are gone forever.
832
00:42:03,164 --> 00:42:06,766
But there are
new summers ahead --
833
00:42:06,768 --> 00:42:12,005
summers rich with the potential
of things yet to come.
834
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:16,530
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