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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1680 01:22:41,341 --> 01:22:43,455 ♪ Swamp Music ♪ 1681 01:23:01,549 --> 01:23:02,510 ♪ Going down to ♪ 1682 01:23:02,511 --> 01:23:04,818 - [Voiceover] Despite these reservations upon it's release 1683 01:23:04,819 --> 01:23:08,475 in April 1974, Second Helping proved an enormous 1684 01:23:08,476 --> 01:23:10,128 commercial success. 1685 01:23:10,129 --> 01:23:12,624 Although like Pronounced it took it's time building 1686 01:23:12,625 --> 01:23:15,813 up momentum not aided by the failure of it's lead single 1687 01:23:15,814 --> 01:23:17,986 Ask Me No Questions to chart. 1688 01:23:18,979 --> 01:23:21,381 Yet, the input of Ed King as a composer the new 1689 01:23:21,382 --> 01:23:23,227 three pronged guitar line up 1690 01:23:23,228 --> 01:23:25,718 and Ronnie Van Zant's continued development 1691 01:23:25,719 --> 01:23:28,168 as a songwriter meant that over time the album 1692 01:23:28,169 --> 01:23:30,419 would make a significant impact. 1693 01:23:30,420 --> 01:23:32,225 - Lynyrd Skynyrd was very unique starting 1694 01:23:32,226 --> 01:23:34,878 with Second Helping and having three guitar players. 1695 01:23:35,730 --> 01:23:38,988 It's something that on paper can't work, 1696 01:23:38,989 --> 01:23:41,227 but each of the guitarists, Ed King, 1697 01:23:41,228 --> 01:23:43,278 Gary Rossington, and Allen Collins were 1698 01:23:43,279 --> 01:23:46,067 very different and had their own strengths 1699 01:23:46,068 --> 01:23:48,260 and understood that about each other. 1700 01:23:48,261 --> 01:23:51,237 I think Second Helping stands up as a great album. 1701 01:23:51,238 --> 01:23:52,632 It has Call me the Breeze. 1702 01:23:52,633 --> 01:23:54,449 It has The Ballad Of Curtis-Loew. 1703 01:23:54,450 --> 01:23:56,512 There was depth to the music 1704 01:23:56,513 --> 01:23:57,707 and to the singing, 1705 01:23:57,708 --> 01:23:59,178 and to everything about it, 1706 01:23:59,179 --> 01:24:01,710 that again made you feel things without 1707 01:24:01,711 --> 01:24:04,032 quite understanding them which is what 1708 01:24:04,033 --> 01:24:06,270 the best music should do. 1709 01:24:06,271 --> 01:24:10,115 ♪ Well, I used to wake the morning ♪ 1710 01:24:10,116 --> 01:24:14,510 ♪ Before the rooster crow ♪ 1711 01:24:14,511 --> 01:24:17,570 ♪ Searching for soda bottles ♪ 1712 01:24:17,571 --> 01:24:21,696 ♪ To get myself some dough ♪ 1713 01:24:21,697 --> 01:24:24,478 ♪ Brought them down to the corner ♪ 1714 01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:28,877 ♪ Down to the country store ♪ 1715 01:24:28,878 --> 01:24:31,444 ♪ Cash them in and give my money ♪ 1716 01:24:31,445 --> 01:24:33,945 ♪ To a man named Curtis-Loew ♪ 1717 01:24:35,537 --> 01:24:38,490 - Allen Collins and Ronnie brought Curtis-Loew, 1718 01:24:38,491 --> 01:24:40,224 The Ballad of Curtis-Loew to the band 1719 01:24:40,225 --> 01:24:42,709 and unlike any other song we'd written, 1720 01:24:42,710 --> 01:24:45,147 that was written outside of our rehearsal space. 1721 01:24:45,148 --> 01:24:47,410 That was written at home, so they already 1722 01:24:47,411 --> 01:24:49,578 brought it finished and I arranged it 1723 01:24:49,579 --> 01:24:52,801 and it was an inspiration. 1724 01:24:52,802 --> 01:24:54,607 Here's a song I didn't write that I really kind 1725 01:24:54,608 --> 01:24:56,459 of grabbed on to and said, "Wow, this is 1726 01:24:56,460 --> 01:24:59,401 "it's a very cool song." 1727 01:24:59,402 --> 01:25:01,792 It's still one of my favorite Skynyrd songs. 1728 01:25:01,793 --> 01:25:06,788 ♪ Play me a song Curtis Loew, Curtis Loew ♪ 1729 01:25:08,286 --> 01:25:11,215 ♪ I got your drinkin' money ♪ 1730 01:25:11,216 --> 01:25:14,498 ♪ So tune up your dobro ♪ 1731 01:25:14,499 --> 01:25:17,404 ♪ People said he was useless ♪ 1732 01:25:17,405 --> 01:25:22,176 ♪ Them people all were fools ♪ 1733 01:25:22,177 --> 01:25:25,938 ♪ 'Cause Curtis Loew was the finest picker ♪ 1734 01:25:25,939 --> 01:25:28,451 ♪ To ever play the blues ♪ 1735 01:25:29,854 --> 01:25:32,947 - I think the band was definitely still growing 1736 01:25:32,948 --> 01:25:34,120 when they did Second Helping. 1737 01:25:34,121 --> 01:25:36,265 They were getting stronger and more confident.` 1738 01:25:36,266 --> 01:25:40,215 Ballad of Curtis-Loew is a great song, really cool 1739 01:25:40,216 --> 01:25:42,582 and sort of very distinctive. 1740 01:25:42,583 --> 01:25:44,844 It give Skynyrd this whole other part 1741 01:25:44,845 --> 01:25:48,009 of their personality and Call Me The Breeze 1742 01:25:48,010 --> 01:25:50,072 is this boogie tune. 1743 01:25:50,073 --> 01:25:53,343 I can hear a connection to like Bob Dylan 1744 01:25:53,344 --> 01:25:55,991 Watching The River Flow or something like that 1745 01:25:55,992 --> 01:25:59,573 and just the blues, but the beat and the way they play 1746 01:25:59,574 --> 01:26:02,551 with the breaks and things sort of designed 1747 01:26:02,552 --> 01:26:05,669 to sort of show off the band, arrangement wise. 1748 01:26:05,670 --> 01:26:09,138 It was definitely a step in the next direction. 1749 01:26:09,139 --> 01:26:12,982 I think that this was creatively maybe the high point 1750 01:26:12,983 --> 01:26:14,335 of the band. 1751 01:26:19,348 --> 01:26:21,903 ♪ Call me the breeze ♪ 1752 01:26:21,904 --> 01:26:26,899 ♪ I keep blowin' down the road ♪ 1753 01:26:27,483 --> 01:26:31,256 ♪ They call me the breeeze, baby ♪ 1754 01:26:31,257 --> 01:26:36,252 ♪ I keep blowing down the road ♪ 1755 01:26:37,095 --> 01:26:40,598 ♪ I ain't got me nobody ♪ 1756 01:26:40,599 --> 01:26:45,594 ♪ I don't carry me no load ♪ 1757 01:26:46,436 --> 01:26:49,976 ♪ Ain't no changin' the weather ♪ 1758 01:26:49,977 --> 01:26:52,407 ♪ Ain't no changes in me ♪ 1759 01:26:53,553 --> 01:26:54,818 - Ronnie Van Zant was showing 1760 01:26:54,819 --> 01:26:56,975 an incredible ability to write songs 1761 01:26:56,976 --> 01:26:59,413 that move people and also to have great taste 1762 01:26:59,414 --> 01:27:02,988 when picking outside song writers which they didn't do 1763 01:27:02,989 --> 01:27:05,977 a lot of, but they did with great effect when they did. 1764 01:27:05,978 --> 01:27:08,368 Call Me The Breeze I think is the perfect example. 1765 01:27:08,369 --> 01:27:11,240 JJ Cale's a great songwriter who also provided great songs 1766 01:27:11,241 --> 01:27:14,749 for Eric Clapton, just by pulling from him 1767 01:27:15,719 --> 01:27:18,846 with the same sort of musical gusto and swagger 1768 01:27:18,847 --> 01:27:20,594 and upbeat swing. 1769 01:27:20,595 --> 01:27:23,571 It was again, music that made you feel good. 1770 01:27:23,572 --> 01:27:26,196 They took a very cool, laid-back, sort 1771 01:27:26,197 --> 01:27:29,567 of swampy JJ Cale song and turned it 1772 01:27:29,568 --> 01:27:33,153 into an out and out party, rock anthem 1773 01:27:33,154 --> 01:27:34,701 that gets everybody up 1774 01:27:34,702 --> 01:27:36,146 and dancing and feeling good. 1775 01:27:37,221 --> 01:27:38,838 - [Voiceover] Shortly after the album's release 1776 01:27:38,839 --> 01:27:40,913 the band played their biggest show to date 1777 01:27:40,914 --> 01:27:42,542 alongside The Allman Brothers Band 1778 01:27:42,543 --> 01:27:45,722 at the Georgia Jam in front of 61,000 fans 1779 01:27:45,723 --> 01:27:47,418 in Atlanta. 1780 01:27:47,419 --> 01:27:49,845 On the back of their country hit Ramblin' Man 1781 01:27:49,846 --> 01:27:51,829 at this time Greg Allman's ensemble were 1782 01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:55,120 at the peak of their popularity and other Capricorn acts 1783 01:27:55,121 --> 01:27:56,655 such as The Marshall Tucker Band 1784 01:27:56,656 --> 01:27:59,496 and Wet Willie had also begun to build a strong following. 1785 01:28:00,465 --> 01:28:02,938 Despite being uncomfortable about being identified 1786 01:28:02,939 --> 01:28:05,645 too closely with this wave of music now being dubbed 1787 01:28:05,646 --> 01:28:08,168 Southern Rock, Skynyrd were canny enough to know 1788 01:28:08,169 --> 01:28:10,449 they had the songs to distinguish them 1789 01:28:10,450 --> 01:28:12,500 from these contemporaries. 1790 01:28:12,501 --> 01:28:14,105 - They played with The Marshall Tucker Band 1791 01:28:14,106 --> 01:28:15,149 on a lot of dates. 1792 01:28:15,150 --> 01:28:17,129 They played with The Allman Brothers on a few dates. 1793 01:28:17,130 --> 01:28:19,498 They played with Charlie Daniels on some dates. 1794 01:28:19,499 --> 01:28:21,779 Skynyrd got a bigger picture actually that we are who we are 1795 01:28:21,780 --> 01:28:24,394 and we're going to knock them dead 1796 01:28:24,395 --> 01:28:26,902 and just give us that stage and give us our time 1797 01:28:26,903 --> 01:28:28,618 and we're gonna go prove it. 1798 01:28:30,807 --> 01:28:33,255 If somebody can follow us, God Bless them, 1799 01:28:33,256 --> 01:28:35,048 but it wasn't really competitive. 1800 01:28:35,049 --> 01:28:37,428 It was an amount of self-assurance. 1801 01:28:37,429 --> 01:28:39,671 - Lynyrd Skynyrd was the show stopper. 1802 01:28:40,980 --> 01:28:43,359 When I walked to the stage 1803 01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,727 with Lynyrd Skynyrd the hairs 1804 01:28:45,728 --> 01:28:47,654 on the back of my neck stood up. 1805 01:28:48,764 --> 01:28:53,759 It was like the Gladiators going into the arena. 1806 01:28:53,780 --> 01:28:55,901 We're fixing to kill. 1807 01:28:55,902 --> 01:28:59,148 We're gonna blow this roof off of this place, 1808 01:28:59,149 --> 01:29:03,548 and we did, over and over and over again. 1809 01:29:04,482 --> 01:29:06,837 - [Voiceover] Yet, from the beginning of 1974 1810 01:29:06,838 --> 01:29:09,339 controversy had surrounded Skynyrd's live shows. 1811 01:29:10,226 --> 01:29:12,604 While they were in part looking to distance themselves 1812 01:29:12,605 --> 01:29:15,030 from the Southern Rock boom, the new decision 1813 01:29:15,031 --> 01:29:17,808 to use the Confederate Flag as the band's onstage 1814 01:29:17,809 --> 01:29:20,352 backdrop in many ways identified them 1815 01:29:20,353 --> 01:29:22,625 as the quintessential Southern band. 1816 01:29:22,626 --> 01:29:25,181 The connotations of the flag itself raise serious 1817 01:29:25,182 --> 01:29:26,494 questions. 1818 01:29:26,495 --> 01:29:29,166 Not only did it represent the South's historical defense 1819 01:29:29,167 --> 01:29:32,519 of slavery it had also been subsequently appropriated 1820 01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,144 by the Ku Klux Klan and a number of other white 1821 01:29:35,145 --> 01:29:36,403 supremacist groups. 1822 01:29:37,513 --> 01:29:39,868 - They were not in favor of this at the beginning. 1823 01:29:39,869 --> 01:29:43,690 According to them it was all MCA's doing. 1824 01:29:43,691 --> 01:29:47,557 It was the marketing people, the promotions people. 1825 01:29:47,558 --> 01:29:51,859 Sat back in L.A. and New York and they would say, 1826 01:29:51,860 --> 01:29:54,144 "How we gonna present this band? 1827 01:29:54,145 --> 01:29:55,364 "You know they come on stage. 1828 01:29:55,365 --> 01:29:58,575 "They sing about growing up in the deep South 1829 01:29:58,576 --> 01:30:00,721 "and all that goes along with that. 1830 01:30:00,722 --> 01:30:02,643 "How we gonna present it?" 1831 01:30:02,644 --> 01:30:04,073 And they come up with, "Well, why don't we do 1832 01:30:04,074 --> 01:30:07,133 "the Confederate Flag behind them?" 1833 01:30:07,134 --> 01:30:08,632 One of the worse decisions ever made, 1834 01:30:08,633 --> 01:30:09,887 but also one of the best 1835 01:30:09,888 --> 01:30:12,465 because it really became identified with them, 1836 01:30:12,466 --> 01:30:15,489 but also forced them to have to explain. 1837 01:30:15,490 --> 01:30:17,564 They had some splainin' to do. 1838 01:30:17,565 --> 01:30:21,198 Mostly the critics who are based in New York 1839 01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:23,823 and L.A. you know, people like Lester Bangs, 1840 01:30:23,824 --> 01:30:26,133 and you know, Robert Christgau, and people 1841 01:30:26,134 --> 01:30:29,115 very araldite men, Robert Hilburn, people like that. 1842 01:30:30,166 --> 01:30:32,931 Were not so, quick to accept the Confederate Flag 1843 01:30:32,932 --> 01:30:35,626 as an innocent symbol of rock-n-roll. 1844 01:30:35,627 --> 01:30:37,151 That was a symbol of slavery. 1845 01:30:37,152 --> 01:30:39,143 That was a symbol of treason. 1846 01:30:39,144 --> 01:30:41,968 That was a symbol of 1/2 a million Americans dying 1847 01:30:41,969 --> 01:30:43,843 in a war. 1848 01:30:43,844 --> 01:30:46,669 - As to who's decision it was, I think if the band didn't 1849 01:30:46,670 --> 01:30:48,227 want to do it they wouldn't have done it. 1850 01:30:48,228 --> 01:30:53,223 As a natural thing to do because the band didn't see it 1851 01:30:53,858 --> 01:30:56,218 in the way it was often interpreted. 1852 01:30:57,290 --> 01:30:58,830 A piece of history, you know. 1853 01:31:01,006 --> 01:31:03,338 I think that they kind of wanted to do it 1854 01:31:03,339 --> 01:31:08,334 as rebels, as Southerners, not to relive the past 1855 01:31:09,751 --> 01:31:13,079 in stretch of the imagination. 1856 01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,372 I don't think it was any more than we grew up in the South 1857 01:31:16,373 --> 01:31:19,045 let's put the flag up there and go play for it. 1858 01:31:19,046 --> 01:31:21,600 Unfortunately it could be misunderstood. 1859 01:31:21,601 --> 01:31:24,741 - The idea of using a Confederate Flag as a back drop 1860 01:31:24,742 --> 01:31:27,109 on the stage came from the band. 1861 01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:32,105 MCA would never have suggested that 1862 01:31:32,748 --> 01:31:35,982 because you know, it's derisive 1863 01:31:35,983 --> 01:31:38,179 and racially. 1864 01:31:41,738 --> 01:31:44,953 But MCA didn't stop them from it either. 1865 01:31:46,181 --> 01:31:47,345 Nor I. 1866 01:31:48,197 --> 01:31:49,806 That's what they wanted to do. 1867 01:31:50,857 --> 01:31:54,385 That's what they felt in their hearts. 1868 01:31:54,386 --> 01:31:56,535 That's who they believed they were. 1869 01:31:57,913 --> 01:32:01,152 That's who they were, so that's what they did. 1870 01:32:02,274 --> 01:32:05,403 - I always thought it was a Rebel Flag. 1871 01:32:05,404 --> 01:32:07,712 Me personally, understand I'm from Southern 1872 01:32:07,713 --> 01:32:11,815 California, I'm about as anti-slavery as you can get. 1873 01:32:11,816 --> 01:32:14,088 The flag being part of their heritage, 1874 01:32:14,089 --> 01:32:15,347 I understand that, too. 1875 01:32:16,316 --> 01:32:18,941 Just because we draped a flag back there doesn't mean 1876 01:32:18,942 --> 01:32:22,446 that we believed in slavery or anything. 1877 01:32:22,447 --> 01:32:25,118 It's simply a Rebel Flag 1878 01:32:25,119 --> 01:32:26,999 and the band was surely Rebels. 1879 01:32:28,671 --> 01:32:30,275 - [Voiceover] This controversy was heightened 1880 01:32:30,276 --> 01:32:31,987 with the release of Skynyrd's next single, 1881 01:32:31,988 --> 01:32:34,215 Sweet Home Alabama which was in part 1882 01:32:34,216 --> 01:32:35,902 an anthem for the South. 1883 01:32:35,903 --> 01:32:37,989 It also a highly ambiguous statement 1884 01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:39,189 from Ronnie Van Zant. 1885 01:32:40,345 --> 01:32:42,829 Not only did he address Neil Young in the lyrics 1886 01:32:42,830 --> 01:32:45,046 taking him to task for the songs, Southern Man 1887 01:32:45,047 --> 01:32:47,355 and Alabama in which Young had condemned 1888 01:32:47,356 --> 01:32:49,348 white Southerners for their racism. 1889 01:32:49,349 --> 01:32:52,102 He also made reference to Alabama's segregationist 1890 01:32:52,103 --> 01:32:53,490 Governor, George Wallace. 1891 01:32:55,186 --> 01:32:58,888 - I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet 1892 01:32:58,889 --> 01:33:03,531 before the feet of tyranny I say segregation now, 1893 01:33:03,532 --> 01:33:07,485 segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever. 1894 01:33:08,678 --> 01:33:10,321 - [Voiceover] These lyrics would forever cause doubt 1895 01:33:10,322 --> 01:33:13,271 over Van Zant's own position on segregation. 1896 01:33:13,272 --> 01:33:15,545 Yet, the controversy in no way damaged the impact 1897 01:33:15,546 --> 01:33:18,124 of the single itself which not only provided the band 1898 01:33:18,125 --> 01:33:21,031 with their first top 10 hit on the Billboard Chart, 1899 01:33:21,032 --> 01:33:23,039 but also broke them internationally. 1900 01:33:24,091 --> 01:33:26,517 - Ronnie was proud to be from the South. 1901 01:33:26,518 --> 01:33:29,599 It's a rallying cry for the South. 1902 01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,885 That's really what Sweet Home Alabama is. 1903 01:33:31,886 --> 01:33:34,769 If they hadn't written this great song, 1904 01:33:34,770 --> 01:33:37,196 really strong song we wouldn't be talking 1905 01:33:37,197 --> 01:33:39,329 about it today, nobody would care. 1906 01:33:39,330 --> 01:33:41,662 - Sweet Home Alabama represents the growing 1907 01:33:41,663 --> 01:33:44,768 confidence of young southern men. 1908 01:33:44,769 --> 01:33:47,208 - It represents the growing confidence of the band. 1909 01:33:47,209 --> 01:33:51,638 It represents some sort of swagger awash in America. 1910 01:33:51,639 --> 01:33:54,416 It gave people a sort of wistful feeling 1911 01:33:54,417 --> 01:33:58,718 of wanting something that was gone and again 1912 01:33:58,719 --> 01:34:01,391 for some people that represented wanting something 1913 01:34:01,392 --> 01:34:04,009 that most of the world was happy it was gone, 1914 01:34:04,873 --> 01:34:07,416 but for many other people it didn't represent 1915 01:34:07,417 --> 01:34:08,974 that specifically at all. 1916 01:34:08,975 --> 01:34:13,970 It just represented something good in some indefinable way. 1917 01:34:15,094 --> 01:34:18,457 It was a song that made you happy, made you stomp your feet, 1918 01:34:18,458 --> 01:34:22,736 made you jump up out of your seat and they just nailed it. 1919 01:34:22,737 --> 01:34:25,642 Everything came together into a perfect song 1920 01:34:25,643 --> 01:34:27,447 for that band at that time. 1921 01:34:27,448 --> 01:34:31,995 ♪ Well, I heard Mr. Young sing about her ♪ 1922 01:34:31,996 --> 01:34:36,754 ♪ Well, I hear old Neil put her down ♪ 1923 01:34:36,755 --> 01:34:41,560 ♪ Well, I hope Neil Young will remember ♪ 1924 01:34:41,561 --> 01:34:46,506 ♪ A Southern Man don't need him around anyhow ♪ 1925 01:34:46,507 --> 01:34:51,359 ♪ Sweet Home Alabama ♪ 1926 01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:56,001 ♪ Where the skis are so blue, whoo ♪ 1927 01:34:56,002 --> 01:34:58,673 - What I always thought was it was a completley 1928 01:34:58,674 --> 01:35:00,290 legitimate song. 1929 01:35:00,291 --> 01:35:03,057 I never had any problem with that song. 1930 01:35:03,058 --> 01:35:05,320 I'm not suggesting that the political logic 1931 01:35:05,321 --> 01:35:09,293 of Sweet Home Alabama is anything special, 1932 01:35:09,294 --> 01:35:12,821 but simply as an expression of feeling 1933 01:35:12,822 --> 01:35:14,802 it seem completely legitimate. 1934 01:35:14,803 --> 01:35:17,510 Basically, he's saying to Neil Young 1935 01:35:17,511 --> 01:35:19,309 who's after all a Canadian, 1936 01:35:19,310 --> 01:35:21,009 don't you moralize at us. 1937 01:35:21,010 --> 01:35:22,633 And I don't think that's a bad thing 1938 01:35:22,634 --> 01:35:23,676 fort somebody to say. 1939 01:35:23,677 --> 01:35:25,024 He was moralizing. 1940 01:35:25,025 --> 01:35:26,478 And I love Neil Young. 1941 01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:27,978 Neil Young is one of my favorite artists 1942 01:35:27,979 --> 01:35:29,354 in the whole history of his music. 1943 01:35:30,194 --> 01:35:35,189 ♪ Southern man better keep your head ♪ 1944 01:35:35,891 --> 01:35:40,886 ♪ Don't forget what your good book said ♪ 1945 01:35:42,396 --> 01:35:47,391 ♪ Southern change gonna come at last ♪ 1946 01:35:48,515 --> 01:35:53,510 ♪ Now your crosses are burning fast. ♪ 1947 01:35:54,047 --> 01:35:55,246 ♪ Southern man ♪ 1948 01:36:00,788 --> 01:36:02,415 - The Neil Young thing of course 1949 01:36:02,416 --> 01:36:04,877 it was a repost to Neil Young 1950 01:36:04,878 --> 01:36:08,348 for dumping on Southern men, you know, 1951 01:36:08,349 --> 01:36:10,704 didn't do what the good book says 1952 01:36:10,705 --> 01:36:12,509 and yeah, he had every right to, Neil Young 1953 01:36:12,510 --> 01:36:15,451 had every right to do a song like that. 1954 01:36:15,452 --> 01:36:16,624 It was perfectly timed. 1955 01:36:16,625 --> 01:36:21,137 And Ronnie had every perfect right to dispute it 1956 01:36:21,138 --> 01:36:23,317 and stand up for Southern manhood. 1957 01:36:23,318 --> 01:36:25,052 That part of it was fine, 1958 01:36:25,053 --> 01:36:29,383 but when you get into the Governor in Birmingham 1959 01:36:29,384 --> 01:36:32,115 Birmingham, why did he choose Birmingham? 1960 01:36:33,037 --> 01:36:34,232 It's not the capital of the state. 1961 01:36:34,233 --> 01:36:36,319 Birmingham is a place where the worse, 1962 01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:39,905 bloodiest race riots happened in Alabama. 1963 01:36:39,906 --> 01:36:42,567 Why did is he choosing, in Birmingham 1964 01:36:42,568 --> 01:36:44,560 they love the governor,. 1965 01:36:44,561 --> 01:36:45,522 Yeah, we know that. 1966 01:36:45,523 --> 01:36:47,748 They love him because they're a bunch of racists. 1967 01:36:47,749 --> 01:36:50,331 So is he was he sending them up? 1968 01:36:51,241 --> 01:36:53,738 Or was he endorsing them? 1969 01:36:53,739 --> 01:36:55,144 We never knew. 1970 01:36:55,145 --> 01:36:57,828 - I put the background vocals on that 1971 01:36:57,829 --> 01:37:01,239 without discussing it with them. 1972 01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:03,208 It was a very tough session 1973 01:37:03,209 --> 01:37:05,018 because I used black women 1974 01:37:05,941 --> 01:37:08,682 and they don't think Sweet Home Alabama 1975 01:37:08,683 --> 01:37:11,371 they think George Wallace. 1976 01:37:14,473 --> 01:37:17,322 ♪ In Birmingham they love the governor ♪ 1977 01:37:17,323 --> 01:37:19,578 ♪ Boo, hoo, hoo ♪ 1978 01:37:19,579 --> 01:37:21,923 ♪ Now we all did what we could do ♪ 1979 01:37:21,924 --> 01:37:23,053 - What's he doing there? 1980 01:37:24,093 --> 01:37:26,014 He's playing both ends against the middle. 1981 01:37:26,015 --> 01:37:27,455 That's what he's doing. 1982 01:37:27,456 --> 01:37:29,412 That boo, boo, boo thing. 1983 01:37:29,413 --> 01:37:31,066 Who was booing?: 1984 01:37:31,067 --> 01:37:33,105 He leaves that completely open. 1985 01:37:33,106 --> 01:37:35,278 I really tried to pin him down on it. 1986 01:37:39,518 --> 01:37:42,645 He said, with a fair amount of clarity 1987 01:37:44,212 --> 01:37:48,549 that he did not agree with George Wallace's view of race. 1988 01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:51,806 He said that with a fair amount of clarity. 1989 01:37:51,807 --> 01:37:55,301 Did he therefore think that the appeal that George Wallace 1990 01:37:55,302 --> 01:37:58,744 had to working-class Southerners was all together 1991 01:37:58,745 --> 01:38:02,202 illegitimate when no other candidate was 1992 01:38:02,203 --> 01:38:03,797 in any way trying to meet 1993 01:38:03,798 --> 01:38:06,751 any of their interests and George Wallace was smart enough 1994 01:38:06,752 --> 01:38:10,372 to do class stuff and in fact did some liberal stuff 1995 01:38:10,373 --> 01:38:12,271 for working people in Alabama. 1996 01:38:12,272 --> 01:38:14,780 He understands that there's something about George Wallace 1997 01:38:14,781 --> 01:38:16,397 that he want to celebrate. 1998 01:38:16,398 --> 01:38:17,769 And there's something about George Wallace 1999 01:38:17,770 --> 01:38:19,562 that he wants to critcize. 2000 01:38:19,563 --> 01:38:21,665 There's a certain type of chip on shoulder, 2001 01:38:23,255 --> 01:38:28,250 double-dare you thing going on where he wants 2002 01:38:28,307 --> 01:38:32,399 to rile up and get his core audience, 2003 01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,081 the people he grew up with 2004 01:38:34,996 --> 01:38:39,913 and wants to say to the rest of the rock audience 2005 01:38:39,914 --> 01:38:41,937 who he really would love to have on board, 2006 01:38:41,938 --> 01:38:43,527 who he wants to have buying his record. 2007 01:38:43,528 --> 01:38:45,356 No, this is who I am. 2008 01:38:45,357 --> 01:38:46,962 Take it or leave it. 2009 01:38:46,963 --> 01:38:48,174 I'm gonna do this now 2010 01:38:49,319 --> 01:38:53,631 because I'm not simply going to be kissing ass here. 2011 01:38:53,632 --> 01:38:56,203 It's a very, very complicated gesture 2012 01:38:57,465 --> 01:39:00,641 that he brought off with more subtly than I can 2013 01:39:00,642 --> 01:39:04,103 in the end penetrate and that speaks well of him. 2014 01:39:05,107 --> 01:39:07,474 - [Voiceover] With a bonafide hit to propel them 2015 01:39:07,475 --> 01:39:09,994 Skynyrd continued to tour the US into the Summer. 2016 01:39:09,995 --> 01:39:12,737 Yet, despite their growing fame, their devotion 2017 01:39:12,738 --> 01:39:15,901 to the chaotic routine, of the rock-n-roll lifestyle 2018 01:39:15,902 --> 01:39:17,754 was beginning to take it's toll on the band 2019 01:39:17,755 --> 01:39:19,723 and strained their relationship with manager, 2020 01:39:19,724 --> 01:39:20,988 Alan Walden. 2021 01:39:20,989 --> 01:39:23,568 - By the time the band got out there 2022 01:39:23,569 --> 01:39:26,158 they had been playing the bars so long 2023 01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:29,581 that almost everybody in the band was an alcoholic, 2024 01:39:29,582 --> 01:39:31,573 myself included, you know. 2025 01:39:31,574 --> 01:39:35,969 I needed to grasp real control of the band 2026 01:39:35,970 --> 01:39:39,297 before they started fucking up the whole thing. 2027 01:39:39,298 --> 01:39:44,293 I began to have to talk to hotel managers 2028 01:39:45,781 --> 01:39:49,382 more and more and more about them tearing up hotels. 2029 01:39:50,751 --> 01:39:52,047 Spend a good bit of time trying 2030 01:39:52,048 --> 01:39:55,938 to convince the law officials not to arrest them all, okay? 2031 01:39:55,939 --> 01:39:59,736 Finally in Saint Louis one night, they were checking 2032 01:39:59,737 --> 01:40:03,304 in to a hotel and on the way in, checking in, 2033 01:40:03,305 --> 01:40:06,839 they busted out the exit signs in the hallway. 2034 01:40:07,796 --> 01:40:10,456 Well, the bellman calls down to the desk 2035 01:40:10,457 --> 01:40:13,180 and the desk comes up and says, "Hey, you guys gotta leave." 2036 01:40:14,067 --> 01:40:15,906 "Well, that ain't no problem, we'll get our manager to get 2037 01:40:15,907 --> 01:40:17,583 "another hotel." 2038 01:40:17,584 --> 01:40:19,463 There was a convention in town. 2039 01:40:20,350 --> 01:40:24,405 That was the last hotel that had any rooms, okay. 2040 01:40:24,406 --> 01:40:27,370 So now they're mad with me because I can't get them 2041 01:40:27,371 --> 01:40:28,695 a room in the middle of the night. 2042 01:40:28,696 --> 01:40:29,860 I said, "Let me tell you something, 2043 01:40:30,900 --> 01:40:33,806 "this just goes to show you why you shouldn't be doing 2044 01:40:33,807 --> 01:40:35,939 "this dumb shit." 2045 01:40:35,940 --> 01:40:37,756 - [Voiceover] In August the band members returned 2046 01:40:37,757 --> 01:40:39,772 to Jacksonville and back in the relatively tranquil 2047 01:40:39,773 --> 01:40:42,866 environment of their home turf were able to recover 2048 01:40:42,867 --> 01:40:44,741 from their excesses. 2049 01:40:44,742 --> 01:40:47,897 Work soon began at Hell House and new material however, 2050 01:40:47,898 --> 01:40:50,287 with a creative partnership of Ed King and Ronnie Van Zant 2051 01:40:50,288 --> 01:40:51,464 continued to thrive. 2052 01:40:52,328 --> 01:40:54,272 - I came to rehearsal with this groove 2053 01:40:54,273 --> 01:40:55,398 that Ronnie really liked. 2054 01:40:55,399 --> 01:40:57,613 Actually Ronnie contributed to the groove. 2055 01:40:57,614 --> 01:40:59,453 It was the first time he ever did. 2056 01:40:59,454 --> 01:41:01,352 He says, "Look, I like that and the verses 2057 01:41:01,353 --> 01:41:03,193 "want you to do this and then go back 2058 01:41:03,194 --> 01:41:04,196 "to what you have." 2059 01:41:04,197 --> 01:41:06,107 Saturday Night Special 2060 01:41:06,108 --> 01:41:07,532 So I'm there rehearsing with the band trying 2061 01:41:07,533 --> 01:41:09,794 to teach them the groove and Ronnie's over there 2062 01:41:09,795 --> 01:41:12,830 in the corner and after about 20 minutes Ronnie comes 2063 01:41:12,831 --> 01:41:15,010 up to me, not on the mic which he usually did, 2064 01:41:15,011 --> 01:41:18,937 sing for everybody, this is really, this tore me up. 2065 01:41:18,938 --> 01:41:22,360 He cupped my ear with his hand 2066 01:41:22,361 --> 01:41:23,420 and he sung to me. 2067 01:41:24,681 --> 01:41:27,803 "Two feets they come a creepin 2068 01:41:28,784 --> 01:41:30,934 "like a black cat do." 2069 01:41:30,935 --> 01:41:33,236 You know, and he sang the whole verse to me. 2070 01:41:37,746 --> 01:41:41,730 ♪ Two thiefs they come a creepin' ♪ 2071 01:41:41,731 --> 01:41:45,633 ♪ Like a black cat do ♪ 2072 01:41:45,634 --> 01:41:49,653 ♪ Two bodies laying necked ♪ 2073 01:41:49,654 --> 01:41:53,639 ♪ Creeper think he got nothing to lose ♪ 2074 01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:57,776 ♪ So he creeps into the house, Lord ♪ 2075 01:41:57,777 --> 01:42:01,691 ♪ Unlocks the door ♪ 2076 01:42:01,692 --> 01:42:05,618 ♪ And as a man's reaching for his trousers ♪ 2077 01:42:05,619 --> 01:42:09,814 ♪ Shoots him full of bullet holes ♪ 2078 01:42:09,815 --> 01:42:14,011 ♪ Mister Saturday night special ♪ 2079 01:42:14,012 --> 01:42:15,819 - I mean I feel inspired now just thinking about it. 2080 01:42:15,820 --> 01:42:19,205 I went right to the chorus and then he wrote the chorus. 2081 01:42:19,206 --> 01:42:21,397 So he had a verse and a chorus, 2082 01:42:21,398 --> 01:42:22,510 went to go fishing. 2083 01:42:22,511 --> 01:42:24,468 He went fishing, you know. 2084 01:42:24,469 --> 01:42:25,921 - [Voiceover] Although Saturday Night Special 2085 01:42:25,922 --> 01:42:28,418 developed quickly the rehearsals also highlighted 2086 01:42:28,419 --> 01:42:31,348 the limitations of drummer Bob Burns who was struggling 2087 01:42:31,349 --> 01:42:33,762 to recover from the heavy touring during the first half 2088 01:42:33,763 --> 01:42:35,204 of the year. 2089 01:42:35,205 --> 01:42:37,701 Although Ronnie Van Zant started looking for a temporary 2090 01:42:37,702 --> 01:42:40,830 replacement, Burns himself sensed that his time with Skynyrd 2091 01:42:40,831 --> 01:42:41,995 was coming to an end. 2092 01:42:43,012 --> 01:42:44,926 - I just got so burned out. 2093 01:42:45,896 --> 01:42:48,865 What they were asking for I just 2094 01:42:50,538 --> 01:42:52,487 had had so much of it 2095 01:42:53,668 --> 01:42:55,065 and for so long 2096 01:43:00,724 --> 01:43:02,732 I just told them to get another drummer. 2097 01:43:05,353 --> 01:43:06,787 You see the way I'm playing 2098 01:43:11,121 --> 01:43:14,694 and I developed some pretty serious illnesses 2099 01:43:19,239 --> 01:43:22,274 to keep me where I couldn't play correctly. 2100 01:43:22,275 --> 01:43:24,325 - We tried to rehearse Saturday Night Special with him, 2101 01:43:24,326 --> 01:43:25,836 but it just wasn't right. 2102 01:43:25,837 --> 01:43:29,162 Leon and I went to Atlanta and auditioned Artimus Pyle 2103 01:43:29,163 --> 01:43:32,022 who was a good friend of the Marshall Tucker boys. 2104 01:43:32,023 --> 01:43:36,242 Al Kooper dropped by and said, "You know that song 2105 01:43:36,243 --> 01:43:39,019 "you guys worked up, Saturday Night Special, 2106 01:43:39,020 --> 01:43:40,429 "why don't you work that up with Artimus 2107 01:43:40,430 --> 01:43:44,286 "because it's gonna be in this movie, The Longest Yard." 2108 01:43:44,287 --> 01:43:46,303 So we started working up with Artimus 2109 01:43:46,304 --> 01:43:48,190 and Al liked what he heard and he said, 2110 01:43:48,191 --> 01:43:50,511 "Go over to Studio one and record it." 2111 01:43:50,512 --> 01:43:52,104 So we did. 2112 01:43:52,105 --> 01:43:54,174 - [Voiceover] Artimus Pyle who had previously worked 2113 01:43:54,175 --> 01:43:57,074 with Charlie Daniels proved a perfect replacement for Burns. 2114 01:43:57,926 --> 01:44:00,461 ♪ For 20 dollars you can buy yourself one too ♪ 2115 01:44:02,251 --> 01:44:03,481 - Well, he was very good. 2116 01:44:03,482 --> 01:44:05,309 I thought he was better than Bob. 2117 01:44:05,310 --> 01:44:07,431 It was a good thing for the band, 2118 01:44:07,432 --> 01:44:10,690 musically it was really a good thing for the band. 2119 01:44:10,691 --> 01:44:13,597 - Ronnie called me after talking to Charlie 2120 01:44:13,598 --> 01:44:15,789 and after talking to the Caldwell brothers 2121 01:44:15,790 --> 01:44:18,472 Toy and Tommy, I think Charlie said something 2122 01:44:18,473 --> 01:44:20,864 to the effect of, "I know a guy that's crazy enough 2123 01:44:20,865 --> 01:44:22,821 "to be in your band, Ronnie. 2124 01:44:22,822 --> 01:44:26,003 "He's as crazy or crazier than all of you." 2125 01:44:27,875 --> 01:44:31,578 To be the drummer of Skynyrd you have to be a little crazy. 2126 01:44:31,579 --> 01:44:35,036 Ed knew that Bob had to take a break 2127 01:44:35,037 --> 01:44:37,064 and they needed somebody, so I was 2128 01:44:37,065 --> 01:44:40,386 Mister Somebody and I was thrilled. 2129 01:44:41,706 --> 01:44:43,804 - [Voiceover] During this break in their touring schedule 2130 01:44:43,805 --> 01:44:46,534 Van Zant also actively sought to severe the band's ties 2131 01:44:46,535 --> 01:44:49,301 with Alan Walden and another option was interested 2132 01:44:49,302 --> 01:44:50,954 and available. 2133 01:44:50,955 --> 01:44:53,673 British manager Peter Rutch who had been overseeing 2134 01:44:53,674 --> 01:44:56,885 The Who's affairs since 1971 was over awed 2135 01:44:56,886 --> 01:44:59,756 by Skynyrd shows opening the Quadrophenia tour 2136 01:44:59,757 --> 01:45:02,242 and had let Van Zant know that if the nature of the band's 2137 01:45:02,243 --> 01:45:04,387 relationship changed with Walden he'd 2138 01:45:04,388 --> 01:45:05,681 happily take his place. 2139 01:45:06,662 --> 01:45:10,411 - It was heart-breaking to me, but at the same time 2140 01:45:10,412 --> 01:45:13,951 it was like a big old concrete block falling off 2141 01:45:13,952 --> 01:45:15,557 of my shoulders. 2142 01:45:15,558 --> 01:45:17,261 - I don't think Ronnie trusted Alan. 2143 01:45:19,086 --> 01:45:21,218 Didn't think for where the band was headed 2144 01:45:21,219 --> 01:45:23,434 that Alan was the right guy. 2145 01:45:23,435 --> 01:45:24,970 Needed somebody bigger. 2146 01:45:24,971 --> 01:45:28,838 I and I think Peter Rutch, you know not many people 2147 01:45:28,839 --> 01:45:32,073 could get to Ronnie as far as making an impression 2148 01:45:32,074 --> 01:45:36,801 on him because Ronnie could suss you out pretty quick. 2149 01:45:37,641 --> 01:45:39,363 I mean real, real fast. 2150 01:45:39,364 --> 01:45:42,446 He was very, very bright, but Peter Rutch I think 2151 01:45:42,447 --> 01:45:44,380 put one over on him. 2152 01:45:44,381 --> 01:45:47,650 Not that Peter Rutch was deceptive or anything 2153 01:45:47,651 --> 01:45:50,850 except Ronnie was overwhelmed by Peter's accent 2154 01:45:50,851 --> 01:45:53,581 his demeanor, just Peter was the guy. 2155 01:45:53,582 --> 01:45:55,996 Of course, Peter managed The Who, and Tanya Tucker, 2156 01:45:55,997 --> 01:45:58,005 and The Stones, so why wouldn't he be, you know. 2157 01:45:58,916 --> 01:46:00,884 - [Voiceover] Rutch took over shortly before Skynyrd 2158 01:46:00,885 --> 01:46:03,252 was due to head to Europe for their first non-domestic 2159 01:46:03,253 --> 01:46:06,504 tour to capitalize on their surging popularity overseas. 2160 01:46:07,461 --> 01:46:09,804 The issue of a drummer now became pressing 2161 01:46:09,805 --> 01:46:11,996 as they still hadn't formerly invited Artimus Pyle 2162 01:46:11,997 --> 01:46:14,270 to take on the roll full time. 2163 01:46:14,271 --> 01:46:16,754 And a flagging Bob Burns was reluctantly taken along 2164 01:46:16,755 --> 01:46:18,126 for the show. 2165 01:46:18,127 --> 01:46:20,769 It would prove to be the end of his journey with the band. 2166 01:46:22,464 --> 01:46:27,175 - They were kind of phasing Bob out, but they had to go do 2167 01:46:27,176 --> 01:46:30,199 a European tour and there wasn't time to teach me the 2168 01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:35,129 entire set, so for a little short time, 2169 01:46:35,130 --> 01:46:38,141 just maybe two weeks we were on the road 2170 01:46:38,142 --> 01:46:41,197 and Bob and I played together, one little tour. 2171 01:46:41,198 --> 01:46:44,497 And then they went to Paris and Bob had a nervous 2172 01:46:44,498 --> 01:46:46,092 breakdown. 2173 01:46:46,093 --> 01:46:47,205 - I don't think it was drugs. 2174 01:46:47,206 --> 01:46:48,870 I don't think it was drugs. 2175 01:46:48,871 --> 01:46:51,331 I think Bob was under a lot of pressure. 2176 01:46:51,332 --> 01:46:53,699 There was times on stage where he would lose his place 2177 01:46:53,700 --> 01:46:57,813 in songs and none of us got on Bob that much, 2178 01:46:57,814 --> 01:46:59,279 but Ronnie sure did. 2179 01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:02,830 I mean if you messed up, Ronnie would get on you real bad. 2180 01:47:02,831 --> 01:47:06,288 In Europe one night, one morning, early morning 2181 01:47:06,289 --> 01:47:09,206 we had a bus ride and Ronnie got on Bob's case 2182 01:47:09,207 --> 01:47:12,106 about the night before, just really, really, bad 2183 01:47:13,134 --> 01:47:14,844 and Bob lost it. 2184 01:47:14,845 --> 01:47:19,840 ♪ Oh, 9000 dollars, that's all we could win ♪ 2185 01:47:20,918 --> 01:47:23,004 ♪ But we smiled at the Yankee Slicker ♪ 2186 01:47:23,005 --> 01:47:26,392 ♪ With a big ol' Southern grin ♪ 2187 01:47:26,393 --> 01:47:28,923 ♪ They're gonna take me out to California gonna ♪ 2188 01:47:28,924 --> 01:47:32,135 ♪ Make me a superstar ♪ 2189 01:47:32,136 --> 01:47:34,421 ♪ Just pay me all of my money ♪ 2190 01:47:34,422 --> 01:47:37,855 ♪ And mister maybe you won't get a scar ♪ 2191 01:47:37,856 --> 01:47:40,704 ♪ Should have signed the contract ♪ 2192 01:47:40,705 --> 01:47:43,528 ♪ Should have signed today ♪ 2193 01:47:43,529 --> 01:47:46,106 ♪ Gonna give you lots of money ♪ 2194 01:47:46,107 --> 01:47:48,385 ♪ Workin' for MCA ♪ 2195 01:47:49,308 --> 01:47:51,299 - It was a good tour. 2196 01:47:51,300 --> 01:47:53,151 We played some damn good music. 2197 01:47:53,152 --> 01:47:55,237 I kept a diary of it. 2198 01:47:55,238 --> 01:47:57,817 I got road fatigue, you know. 2199 01:47:57,818 --> 01:47:59,410 I wasn't eating right. 2200 01:47:59,411 --> 01:48:01,462 I wasn't sleeping right. 2201 01:48:01,463 --> 01:48:03,360 I was down to skin and bones. 2202 01:48:03,361 --> 01:48:04,561 I wasn't eating. 2203 01:48:06,415 --> 01:48:10,060 All the perverted sex, you know, 2204 01:48:10,061 --> 01:48:13,921 I didn't think it was perverted back then, 2205 01:48:15,074 --> 01:48:19,555 later on in my older life I can see, wow, man. 2206 01:48:22,412 --> 01:48:24,814 My mind just blew a 50 amp fuse. 2207 01:48:24,815 --> 01:48:26,888 I pushed so hard. 2208 01:48:26,889 --> 01:48:31,589 I pushed harder than a man should ever push himself. 2209 01:48:31,590 --> 01:48:34,121 I snapped a 50 amp fuse. 2210 01:48:34,122 --> 01:48:35,462 Had to go in the hospital. 2211 01:48:36,454 --> 01:48:37,754 - It was sad. 2212 01:48:37,755 --> 01:48:38,938 It was really sad. 2213 01:48:38,939 --> 01:48:42,267 I think it just because the band was just overworked. 2214 01:48:42,268 --> 01:48:44,873 We were under Peter's direction at the time 2215 01:48:46,171 --> 01:48:48,449 and we hadn't really had much of a break that whole year. 2216 01:48:49,324 --> 01:48:52,899 What happened with Bob in England, I could go into detail, 2217 01:48:52,900 --> 01:48:54,152 but I'd really rather not. 2218 01:48:54,153 --> 01:48:57,017 He just had a breakdown of all breakdowns. 2219 01:48:58,713 --> 01:49:01,045 it was quite visible to everyone. 2220 01:49:01,046 --> 01:49:03,811 It was so bad the hotel guy kicked us out. 2221 01:49:03,812 --> 01:49:05,128 Wouldn't let us come back. 2222 01:49:07,258 --> 01:49:09,543 Actually he threw the house cat out the window 2223 01:49:09,544 --> 01:49:11,294 and killed him from five stories above 2224 01:49:13,014 --> 01:49:15,290 and it got worse after that. 2225 01:49:16,776 --> 01:49:17,631 Yeah, it was sad. 2226 01:49:17,632 --> 01:49:18,814 It didn't have to happen. 2227 01:49:18,815 --> 01:49:21,229 Bob had grown up with these guys. 2228 01:49:21,230 --> 01:49:23,683 I think if we just handled our tours better. 2229 01:49:24,582 --> 01:49:27,431 Nobody who managed the band really saw 2230 01:49:27,432 --> 01:49:30,116 any longevity, of course how could you back then? 2231 01:49:30,117 --> 01:49:32,582 It was just good, go for all the money you can right now. 2232 01:49:33,470 --> 01:49:35,625 - [Voiceover] The relentless nature of the Skynyrd schedule 2233 01:49:35,626 --> 01:49:38,075 continued directly for all the tour. 2234 01:49:38,076 --> 01:49:41,087 Returning to the US in late December 1975 2235 01:49:41,088 --> 01:49:44,546 by January 6th the were booked into WEBB IV studios 2236 01:49:44,547 --> 01:49:46,207 in Atlanta to record a new album. 2237 01:49:47,267 --> 01:49:49,548 Artimus Pyle had now been drafted in 2238 01:49:49,549 --> 01:49:52,392 as a replacement for Bob Burns and Al Kooper 2239 01:49:52,393 --> 01:49:54,409 was once again present as a producer 2240 01:49:54,410 --> 01:49:56,928 despite MCA having recently bought out his 2241 01:49:56,929 --> 01:49:59,613 Sounds Of The South deal with the band. 2242 01:49:59,614 --> 01:50:01,758 Yet, his circumstances were totally foreign 2243 01:50:01,759 --> 01:50:03,328 to all involved. 2244 01:50:03,329 --> 01:50:05,696 With no time to compose new material during the 2245 01:50:05,697 --> 01:50:09,271 previous year Skynyrd had 21 days to both write 2246 01:50:09,272 --> 01:50:10,971 and record the album. 2247 01:50:10,972 --> 01:50:12,940 - We were putting out a new album, new material 2248 01:50:12,941 --> 01:50:14,031 every nine months. 2249 01:50:14,032 --> 01:50:15,859 Bands don't do that today. 2250 01:50:15,860 --> 01:50:18,191 It might take two or three years, you know? 2251 01:50:18,192 --> 01:50:20,068 But they wanted new product every nine months 2252 01:50:20,069 --> 01:50:23,760 which I thought was just way too much. 2253 01:50:23,761 --> 01:50:27,728 Nuthin' Fancy was written and recorded in the studio. 2254 01:50:27,729 --> 01:50:30,811 Up until this time everything was written at Hell House, 2255 01:50:30,812 --> 01:50:32,827 thoroughly rehearsed, maybe played once or twice 2256 01:50:32,828 --> 01:50:35,388 in front of people, then taken in the studio. 2257 01:50:35,389 --> 01:50:36,818 - We had a month. 2258 01:50:36,819 --> 01:50:38,804 We were in Atlanta. 2259 01:50:40,196 --> 01:50:44,321 I said, "I'm gonna go to New York 2260 01:50:45,618 --> 01:50:47,228 "for two weeks, 2261 01:50:48,303 --> 01:50:51,577 "and I'm gonna party my brains out. 2262 01:50:54,831 --> 01:50:58,756 "This is your time to do what you normally do, 2263 01:50:58,757 --> 01:51:00,742 "but you only have two weeks to do it." 2264 01:51:02,151 --> 01:51:05,245 I came back and it was what I thought it would be 2265 01:51:05,246 --> 01:51:08,773 which is it was almost done. 2266 01:51:08,774 --> 01:51:12,992 This was a very tense making of a record. 2267 01:51:12,993 --> 01:51:17,013 There was no fun involved for me what-so-ever. 2268 01:51:17,014 --> 01:51:19,862 - Things changed with our relationship with Al. 2269 01:51:19,863 --> 01:51:21,538 It was really out of control. 2270 01:51:21,539 --> 01:51:23,730 There was times at the studio when other band 2271 01:51:23,731 --> 01:51:25,757 members would bring all their friends by. 2272 01:51:25,758 --> 01:51:27,586 All these people coming and going 2273 01:51:27,587 --> 01:51:30,868 and lots of drugs, beer which we never had 2274 01:51:30,869 --> 01:51:31,830 at Hell House. 2275 01:51:31,831 --> 01:51:34,459 At Hell House it was all business. 2276 01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:37,479 Nuthin' Fancy was just difficult 2277 01:51:37,480 --> 01:51:40,797 and Al was totally fed up and understandably so. 2278 01:51:40,798 --> 01:51:43,915 It was really hard for him because they were really 2279 01:51:43,916 --> 01:51:46,474 everybody was really putting it in his face. 2280 01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:51,077 He was a Yankee and it really got tough for Al. 2281 01:51:51,078 --> 01:51:53,521 - [Voiceover] With no one satisfied with the situation 2282 01:51:53,522 --> 01:51:55,174 the music itself suffered. 2283 01:51:55,175 --> 01:51:56,610 Yet, the hectic schedule that had been 2284 01:51:56,611 --> 01:51:58,854 imposed on the band was apparently inflexible. 2285 01:51:59,835 --> 01:52:02,752 It not only proved detrimental to the album itself 2286 01:52:02,753 --> 01:52:05,120 but also spelled the end of Skynyrd's creative 2287 01:52:05,121 --> 01:52:06,726 partnership with Kooper. 2288 01:52:06,727 --> 01:52:09,575 - The last song on the record Ronnie has a head cold 2289 01:52:09,576 --> 01:52:12,282 that's so bad, you can just tell. 2290 01:52:12,283 --> 01:52:15,025 There are sections on it that needed to be redone 2291 01:52:15,026 --> 01:52:16,185 maybe expanded. 2292 01:52:16,186 --> 01:52:17,608 It was just unfinished record. 2293 01:52:19,187 --> 01:52:23,359 But yet the minute it was over, the rest of the band 2294 01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:26,195 was on a bus going to Detroit to start a tour 2295 01:52:26,196 --> 01:52:28,070 the second it was over. 2296 01:52:28,071 --> 01:52:30,169 Ronnie and I stayed back to finish the vocal 2297 01:52:30,170 --> 01:52:32,073 on Whisky Rock and Roller, then we both took 2298 01:52:32,074 --> 01:52:34,277 a plane to Detroit to meet the band 2299 01:52:34,278 --> 01:52:36,141 and then the tour just started. 2300 01:52:36,142 --> 01:52:39,369 - I remember vividly the last day. 2301 01:52:41,077 --> 01:52:43,784 The tour bus was parked outside. 2302 01:52:43,785 --> 01:52:45,272 It wasn't like they were gonna go home 2303 01:52:45,273 --> 01:52:47,276 and get ready to tour. 2304 01:52:47,277 --> 01:52:50,160 The tour bus was there and they were going right out 2305 01:52:50,161 --> 01:52:52,610 and they were gonna start touring. 2306 01:52:52,611 --> 01:52:56,267 I thought to myself while all this was going on, 2307 01:52:56,268 --> 01:53:00,253 "I can't do this again. 2308 01:53:00,254 --> 01:53:02,455 "This is torture." 2309 01:53:02,456 --> 01:53:07,414 So I said to them, "I would rather be your friend 2310 01:53:07,415 --> 01:53:10,244 "than be your producer from now on." 2311 01:53:12,362 --> 01:53:14,721 And I think you know, they had had enough of me. 2312 01:53:15,854 --> 01:53:18,769 - [Voiceover] Issued in late March in 1975 the album 2313 01:53:18,770 --> 01:53:20,697 Nuthin Fancy peaked at number nine on the 2314 01:53:20,698 --> 01:53:21,981 Billboard Charts. 2315 01:53:21,982 --> 01:53:24,443 The band's first Top-10 album. 2316 01:53:24,444 --> 01:53:26,951 Yet, Van Zant himself expressed his dissatisfaction 2317 01:53:26,952 --> 01:53:28,058 with the end result. 2318 01:53:29,602 --> 01:53:34,597 ♪ Cheating woman make you crazy ♪ 2319 01:53:36,482 --> 01:53:41,477 ♪ Cheating woman make you a fool ♪ 2320 01:53:43,198 --> 01:53:48,193 ♪ She'll leave your house or home ♪ 2321 01:53:50,301 --> 01:53:55,296 ♪ Brother, there's nothing that you can do ♪ 2322 01:53:58,988 --> 01:54:02,819 ♪ Well, I can't stand the pain no more ♪ 2323 01:54:02,820 --> 01:54:06,078 ♪ She don't want my love for sure ♪ 2324 01:54:06,079 --> 01:54:11,074 ♪ She don't want poor me ♪ 2325 01:54:12,204 --> 01:54:15,490 ♪ Oh knocking on her front door ♪ 2326 01:54:17,152 --> 01:54:19,968 - I think it was a more laid back record 2327 01:54:21,043 --> 01:54:26,038 than the other two because they felt 2328 01:54:26,118 --> 01:54:28,439 comfortable in a way 2329 01:54:28,440 --> 01:54:31,345 and they were trying to be even more 2330 01:54:31,346 --> 01:54:33,759 of themselves on that record 2331 01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,877 and also they'd changed as human beings 2332 01:54:36,878 --> 01:54:41,873 over the course of the three albums. 2333 01:54:41,883 --> 01:54:46,879 ♪ I pick cotton down on the Dixie line ♪ 2334 01:54:47,453 --> 01:54:52,100 ♪ I work all day tryin' to make a dime ♪ 2335 01:54:52,101 --> 01:54:57,012 ♪ But that's all right, that's OK by me ♪ 2336 01:54:57,013 --> 01:55:02,008 ♪ 'Cause that's the way that it was meant to be ♪ 2337 01:55:02,704 --> 01:55:07,699 ♪ Big city, hard times never bother me ♪ 2338 01:55:08,037 --> 01:55:11,580 ♪ I'm a country boy, I'm as happy as I can be ♪ 2339 01:55:13,420 --> 01:55:14,905 - Do we sound like a tired band? 2340 01:55:14,906 --> 01:55:17,179 Well, the songs aren't as strong. 2341 01:55:17,180 --> 01:55:19,148 Pronounced 'Lĕh-'nérd 'Skin-'nérd and Second Helping 2342 01:55:19,149 --> 01:55:21,141 were really strong records, you know they're like, 2343 01:55:21,142 --> 01:55:25,138 you know, like bang out of the gate, like big time. 2344 01:55:25,139 --> 01:55:28,583 No sophomore jinx with them at all, 2345 01:55:28,584 --> 01:55:31,830 so their sophomore jinx kind of came with their next 2346 01:55:31,831 --> 01:55:35,980 record although their musicianship as players hadn't 2347 01:55:35,981 --> 01:55:39,508 dropped and their ability to play like a great band 2348 01:55:39,509 --> 01:55:43,142 hadn't changed, but you know, compositionally 2349 01:55:43,143 --> 01:55:46,717 those songs didn't stand the test of time. 2350 01:55:46,718 --> 01:55:48,335 - Nuthin' Fancy is a disappointing record 2351 01:55:48,336 --> 01:55:50,621 because it didn't have any of the classic songs 2352 01:55:50,622 --> 01:55:54,037 that had defined Lynyrd Skynyrd's first two albums. 2353 01:55:54,038 --> 01:55:56,593 it still sonically sounds pretty good. 2354 01:55:56,594 --> 01:55:58,609 They're introducing some new elements 2355 01:55:58,610 --> 01:56:01,504 with mandolin and other stringed instruments 2356 01:56:01,505 --> 01:56:03,719 and it has a couple of really solid songs, 2357 01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:06,725 Saturday Night Special, Whiskey Rock and Roller 2358 01:56:07,788 --> 01:56:10,224 and maybe most poignantly Am I losing 2359 01:56:10,225 --> 01:56:12,616 which really seems to be Ronnie reflecting 2360 01:56:12,617 --> 01:56:17,612 on the band's state and his own state as they struggle 2361 01:56:17,681 --> 01:56:20,457 with success and all the problems that come 2362 01:56:20,458 --> 01:56:22,169 with success. 2363 01:56:22,170 --> 01:56:25,006 ♪ I recall when I used to come home ♪ 2364 01:56:25,007 --> 01:56:27,233 ♪ Never had a dime ♪ 2365 01:56:27,234 --> 01:56:32,229 ♪ Lord, I always had a good time ♪ 2366 01:56:32,731 --> 01:56:35,507 ♪ I recall drinking wine ♪ 2367 01:56:35,508 --> 01:56:38,321 ♪ With one of my friends ♪ 2368 01:56:38,322 --> 01:56:43,291 ♪ Lord, can't go back again ♪ 2369 01:56:43,292 --> 01:56:46,784 ♪ Am I losing ♪ 2370 01:56:46,785 --> 01:56:48,893 ♪ My own way back home ♪ 2371 01:56:48,894 --> 01:56:52,011 ♪ Am I losing ♪ 2372 01:56:52,012 --> 01:56:55,388 - That's an honest reflection of what happens now. 2373 01:56:55,389 --> 01:56:56,560 Where am I now? 2374 01:56:56,561 --> 01:56:58,200 Am I losing what made me great, 2375 01:56:58,201 --> 01:57:00,252 what made me strong, what made me 2376 01:57:00,253 --> 01:57:01,506 who I am? 2377 01:57:01,507 --> 01:57:03,762 And I think that in itself is a powerful statement. 2378 01:57:05,199 --> 01:57:06,816 - [Voiceover] During the recording of the album 2379 01:57:06,817 --> 01:57:09,501 new comer Artimus Pyle was introduced into Skynyrd's 2380 01:57:09,502 --> 01:57:11,540 inner sanctum and the following few months 2381 01:57:11,541 --> 01:57:14,764 would prove a baptism of fire for the drummer. 2382 01:57:14,765 --> 01:57:17,025 If life on the road for the band had proven excessive 2383 01:57:17,026 --> 01:57:19,311 from previous tours, under the management 2384 01:57:19,312 --> 01:57:21,515 of Pete Rutch their parting increased 2385 01:57:21,516 --> 01:57:23,778 and as they moved directly from the studio 2386 01:57:23,779 --> 01:57:26,145 to the tour bus following the Nuthin' Fancy 2387 01:57:26,146 --> 01:57:28,959 sessions the drink, drugs and punch outs became 2388 01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:30,975 a daily phenomenon once more. 2389 01:57:30,976 --> 01:57:32,298 - Yes, there were fights, 2390 01:57:32,299 --> 01:57:34,490 but I've never been afraid of a fight. 2391 01:57:34,491 --> 01:57:35,804 I can take a punch. 2392 01:57:35,805 --> 01:57:40,421 I just immediately integrated into what I was doing 2393 01:57:40,422 --> 01:57:43,036 in their world, you know. 2394 01:57:43,037 --> 01:57:46,603 Which was a tour bus, an airplane, a stage, 2395 01:57:47,549 --> 01:57:50,537 a tour bus, an airplane, a stage, you know, 2396 01:57:50,538 --> 01:57:54,101 just a hotel room, hotel room, tour bus, airplane, 2397 01:57:54,102 --> 01:57:57,722 stage, studio, studio, you know, just those five 2398 01:57:57,723 --> 01:58:01,005 things in a row all the time for three years. 2399 01:58:01,006 --> 01:58:03,759 Back in those days I enjoyed smoking weed, 2400 01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:07,100 but the guys they were hard on themselves. 2401 01:58:07,101 --> 01:58:08,991 You can't burn the candle at both ends, 2402 01:58:10,254 --> 01:58:13,136 and expect to have your energy up all the time. 2403 01:58:13,137 --> 01:58:15,504 I don't see how they functioned. 2404 01:58:15,505 --> 01:58:19,647 Backstage at our concert it looked like an ABC store. 2405 01:58:20,487 --> 01:58:24,600 There were cases of scotch, and cases of vodka, 2406 01:58:24,601 --> 01:58:27,882 and Jack Daniels, and cases of beer. 2407 01:58:27,883 --> 01:58:30,554 The promoter you know, the promoter always trying 2408 01:58:30,555 --> 01:58:33,203 to make the band feel really good 2409 01:58:33,204 --> 01:58:34,810 and I never understood that. 2410 01:58:34,811 --> 01:58:37,798 They brought all this you know cartons and cartons 2411 01:58:37,799 --> 01:58:41,702 of cigarettes and the guys would my boys thought 2412 01:58:41,703 --> 01:58:44,632 that at every show we played these big arenas, 2413 01:58:44,633 --> 01:58:47,879 stadiums ,all that stuff that was backstage they were 2414 01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:51,114 supposed to smoke and drink all of it then. 2415 01:58:51,115 --> 01:58:53,224 - [Voiceover] Ronnie Van Zant in particular was struggling 2416 01:58:53,225 --> 01:58:55,955 to control his intake which had a disturbing effect 2417 01:58:55,956 --> 01:58:57,736 on his temperament. 2418 01:58:57,737 --> 01:59:00,316 Never one to back down from conflict alcohol 2419 01:59:00,317 --> 01:59:03,785 not only fueled an inner rage, but let him intimidate 2420 01:59:03,786 --> 01:59:06,657 and often physically abused his own band mates. 2421 01:59:06,658 --> 01:59:10,397 - Ronnie was a maniac that whole tour, just a maniac, 2422 01:59:10,398 --> 01:59:13,233 night after night something traumatic would happen. 2423 01:59:13,234 --> 01:59:16,678 One time in Lake Charles, Louisiana, Ronnie had vowed 2424 01:59:16,679 --> 01:59:18,750 well, he had vowed two weeks before that 2425 01:59:18,751 --> 01:59:21,071 to stop drinking and he did, 2426 01:59:21,072 --> 01:59:23,814 It was really he was a lot better. 2427 01:59:23,815 --> 01:59:26,405 I think he was miserable but towards the second week 2428 01:59:26,406 --> 01:59:29,476 he got better, but something snapped in Lake Charles 2429 01:59:29,477 --> 01:59:31,995 two weeks later where he just went crazy, 2430 01:59:31,996 --> 01:59:34,504 and he gathered everybody in the room. 2431 01:59:34,505 --> 01:59:36,145 He ripped off his shirt. 2432 01:59:36,146 --> 01:59:39,697 He grabbed a lamp on the nightstand and broke it 2433 01:59:39,698 --> 01:59:42,087 against the night stand all this jagged glass hanging 2434 01:59:42,088 --> 01:59:44,444 and he slammed me up against the wall held it right 2435 01:59:44,445 --> 01:59:46,754 to my neck and he said, "I don't want you to say 2436 01:59:46,755 --> 01:59:48,876 "a fucking word." 2437 01:59:48,877 --> 01:59:50,779 "Okay, no problem." 2438 01:59:54,175 --> 01:59:57,326 I can't remember really what his gripe was. 2439 01:59:57,327 --> 01:59:59,272 "Y'all are stealing from me." 2440 01:59:59,273 --> 02:00:00,250 That was one thing . 2441 02:00:01,793 --> 02:00:06,029 I can't it was just unjustified it was stupid. 2442 02:00:07,162 --> 02:00:09,763 - [Voiceover] As this run of 61 shows aptly named 2443 02:00:09,764 --> 02:00:12,354 the torture tour continued across America 2444 02:00:12,355 --> 02:00:14,592 the camaraderie between the band members quickly 2445 02:00:14,593 --> 02:00:17,288 began to break down exacerbated by Van Zant's routinely 2446 02:00:17,289 --> 02:00:20,136 drunken and abusive behavior. 2447 02:00:20,137 --> 02:00:22,773 Struggling with both of volatile atmosphere and his own 2448 02:00:22,774 --> 02:00:26,067 substance abuse issues Ed King decided midway through the 2449 02:00:26,068 --> 02:00:28,518 tour that it was time to take his exit from the world 2450 02:00:28,519 --> 02:00:30,634 of Skynyrd. 2451 02:00:30,635 --> 02:00:33,658 - Things started to fall apart around the middle of May. 2452 02:00:33,659 --> 02:00:36,495 There were decisions just being made that everybody 2453 02:00:36,496 --> 02:00:40,245 disagreed with and I didn't think it would hurt to take a 2454 02:00:40,246 --> 02:00:44,782 month off and go rest and maybe write some more 2455 02:00:44,783 --> 02:00:47,611 and get back in our little groove that we had 2456 02:00:50,995 --> 02:00:53,949 and I know people will disagree and say this is a lie, 2457 02:00:53,950 --> 02:00:56,093 but it's the absolute truth because I have no reason 2458 02:00:56,094 --> 02:01:00,056 to lie, but Ronnie said to me in front of everybody, 2459 02:01:00,057 --> 02:01:04,275 "Look man I've had it with all this bickering back 2460 02:01:04,276 --> 02:01:07,721 "and forth management and all this and I just want 2461 02:01:07,722 --> 02:01:09,086 "to focus on what I do. 2462 02:01:10,149 --> 02:01:12,332 " I'll let you you make the decisions. 2463 02:01:14,994 --> 02:01:18,462 "Just check it with me, but you deal with them, you know." 2464 02:01:18,463 --> 02:01:19,320 So I did. 2465 02:01:19,321 --> 02:01:23,767 I told Peter Rutch I said, " I wanna cut this tour 2466 02:01:23,768 --> 02:01:26,709 "and go home and rest take at least maybe two weeks off, 2467 02:01:26,710 --> 02:01:29,346 "and maybe 2 weeks writing and then resume it." 2468 02:01:30,257 --> 02:01:31,353 Well that was around the middle of May 2469 02:01:31,354 --> 02:01:33,362 and by the 26th of May I was out of the band. 2470 02:01:36,851 --> 02:01:39,827 The only thing I can surmise is that sometime 2471 02:01:39,828 --> 02:01:42,816 between then and the 26th of May somebody got 2472 02:01:42,817 --> 02:01:45,411 together with Ronnie and said, "You know, you can't 2473 02:01:45,412 --> 02:01:48,379 "do this, you can't just stop a tour" 2474 02:01:50,697 --> 02:01:53,251 Then the pressure started coming down on me 2475 02:01:53,252 --> 02:01:56,029 to move me out and rather than move me out I 2476 02:01:56,030 --> 02:01:57,951 just decided, "Well, this isn't worth it. 2477 02:01:57,952 --> 02:01:59,311 "I'm just going to leave." 2478 02:01:59,312 --> 02:02:02,459 - One night during the making of Nuthin' Fancy I was 2479 02:02:02,460 --> 02:02:07,455 living in a hotel separate from wherever they were living. 2480 02:02:07,736 --> 02:02:11,591 Ed came over one night and he was complaining to me 2481 02:02:11,592 --> 02:02:15,177 about how much money he had spent the last year 2482 02:02:15,178 --> 02:02:17,199 on serious drugs 2483 02:02:20,524 --> 02:02:22,352 and that he didn't know how much 2484 02:02:22,353 --> 02:02:24,548 longer he could stay in the band, 2485 02:02:27,581 --> 02:02:30,276 so I wasn't totally surprised 2486 02:02:30,277 --> 02:02:35,241 by that and if that's why he left 2487 02:02:35,242 --> 02:02:37,116 I was glad he left. 2488 02:02:37,117 --> 02:02:39,026 - I had my share of drugs, oh yeah, 2489 02:02:39,027 --> 02:02:41,652 and I'd had enough, too, yeah. 2490 02:02:41,653 --> 02:02:45,918 I'm not saying I was perfect by no means you know, 2491 02:02:45,919 --> 02:02:48,919 but I know when I left the band I knew the band wasn't going 2492 02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:50,314 to end well. 2493 02:02:50,315 --> 02:02:52,008 I had no idea it would end like it did, 2494 02:02:52,009 --> 02:02:53,977 but it wasn't going to end well and I really didn't want 2495 02:02:53,978 --> 02:02:57,705 to be a part of it after that because my creativity 2496 02:02:57,706 --> 02:03:01,333 at that point was shot, really there's just so much friction 2497 02:03:01,334 --> 02:03:03,121 and everybody needed some rest. 2498 02:03:03,122 --> 02:03:05,890 People don't come to your hotel room crying and saying 2499 02:03:05,891 --> 02:03:08,796 they need a break if they are just kidding, you know. 2500 02:03:08,797 --> 02:03:10,805 I mean it was some mental stuff going on. 2501 02:03:12,078 --> 02:03:13,683 - [Voiceover] Now a man down 2502 02:03:13,684 --> 02:03:15,582 in July they rode back to Florida, 2503 02:03:15,583 --> 02:03:18,542 to close the tour at the Jacksonville Coliseum. 2504 02:03:18,543 --> 02:03:20,418 Despite the tensions within the group, 2505 02:03:20,419 --> 02:03:22,417 the hotels damaged and the various run-ins 2506 02:03:22,418 --> 02:03:25,328 with the police for their audiences had for most part 2507 02:03:25,329 --> 02:03:28,395 seen no knock on effect for the show themselves. 2508 02:03:28,396 --> 02:03:30,289 Yet, back in their own stomping grounds 2509 02:03:30,290 --> 02:03:31,912 things finally fell apart. 2510 02:03:32,916 --> 02:03:36,602 End of the '75 torture tour, the hometown boys came home. 2511 02:03:36,603 --> 02:03:37,938 Big deal, right? 2512 02:03:37,939 --> 02:03:41,356 We get into town and a guy named Sidney Drashin 2513 02:03:41,357 --> 02:03:44,608 he's the promoter, he brings a big fat bag 2514 02:03:44,609 --> 02:03:46,296 of pure cocaine. 2515 02:03:46,297 --> 02:03:47,902 Well everybody gets into it. 2516 02:03:47,903 --> 02:03:50,961 Charlie Daniels open the show then we came out 2517 02:03:50,962 --> 02:03:54,491 and played like four songs 2518 02:03:54,492 --> 02:03:57,562 and Ronnie collapsed. 2519 02:03:57,563 --> 02:03:59,753 Charlie Daniels came out and jammed with us, 2520 02:03:59,754 --> 02:04:02,290 tried to kind of save the day, 2521 02:04:03,341 --> 02:04:05,333 but it just wasn't enough for the crowd 2522 02:04:05,334 --> 02:04:07,701 because we didn't do the whole set. 2523 02:04:07,702 --> 02:04:10,525 The crowd was like carnivores you know, 2524 02:04:10,526 --> 02:04:11,826 (growls) 2525 02:04:11,827 --> 02:04:13,467 They wanted that music 2526 02:04:13,468 --> 02:04:16,292 and we couldn't deliver that night. 2527 02:04:16,293 --> 02:04:19,872 Even doing Free Bird when we went to the fast part 2528 02:04:20,853 --> 02:04:23,618 I will never forget leaving the stage and looking back 2529 02:04:23,619 --> 02:04:27,568 and seeing glass bottles bouncing off my drums. 2530 02:04:27,569 --> 02:04:31,987 - The amazing thing is how little Peter Rutch cared. 2531 02:04:31,988 --> 02:04:34,190 He's doing tons of cocaine himself. 2532 02:04:34,191 --> 02:04:35,937 This is no secret. 2533 02:04:35,938 --> 02:04:38,036 And he's encouraging all this coke use. 2534 02:04:38,037 --> 02:04:41,025 Looking back I can't even fathom it. 2535 02:04:41,026 --> 02:04:43,720 Alan Walden would have never done that. 2536 02:04:43,721 --> 02:04:45,701 He never would have met them at an airport 2537 02:04:45,702 --> 02:04:48,678 with coke for them to do or take on a plane. 2538 02:04:48,679 --> 02:04:50,132 They were kicked off planes. 2539 02:04:50,133 --> 02:04:53,683 They were refused flights because when they would 2540 02:04:53,684 --> 02:04:56,403 get drunk and stoned on a plane it would be a physical 2541 02:04:56,404 --> 02:05:00,417 threat to the plane going down, ironically. 2542 02:05:01,257 --> 02:05:05,217 Ronnie, so the story goes tried to throw a groupie 2543 02:05:05,218 --> 02:05:08,523 out of a plane at 35,000 feet, 2544 02:05:08,524 --> 02:05:11,910 Tried to open the back, the door and throw 2545 02:05:11,911 --> 02:05:13,223 a guy out. 2546 02:05:13,224 --> 02:05:15,895 These are guys in big, big trouble. 2547 02:05:15,896 --> 02:05:19,201 Making great music, but in big trouble 2548 02:05:19,202 --> 02:05:21,194 and nobody cared. 2549 02:05:21,195 --> 02:05:23,233 - [Voiceover] Following a much needed Summer break 2550 02:05:23,234 --> 02:05:26,504 the band returned for further shows in August '75 2551 02:05:26,505 --> 02:05:29,504 including a number of dates supporting Peter Frampton. 2552 02:05:29,505 --> 02:05:32,141 At the same time with only nine months past since 2553 02:05:32,142 --> 02:05:35,048 they had completed Nuthin' Fancy plans were already 2554 02:05:35,049 --> 02:05:37,041 under way for Skynyrd to return to the studio 2555 02:05:37,042 --> 02:05:39,162 to begin work on a fourth album. 2556 02:05:39,163 --> 02:05:41,929 Without Al Kooper to oversee the recordings Peter Rutch 2557 02:05:41,930 --> 02:05:44,332 arranged for Van Zant and his bandmates to meet with 2558 02:05:44,333 --> 02:05:47,320 legendary producer Tom Dowd who had begun his career 2559 02:05:47,321 --> 02:05:50,743 in jazz before moving into soul and then rock. 2560 02:05:50,744 --> 02:05:53,873 Operating out of Criteria Studios in Miami, Dowd 2561 02:05:53,874 --> 02:05:56,358 seemed an obvious choice having been the producer 2562 02:05:56,359 --> 02:05:58,937 behind The Allman Brothers Band's break-through albums. 2563 02:05:58,938 --> 02:06:02,640 In September 300 miles South of their home town, 2564 02:06:02,641 --> 02:06:05,665 SKynyrd began recording Gimme Back My Bullets. 2565 02:06:05,666 --> 02:06:07,107 - They liked Dowd. 2566 02:06:07,108 --> 02:06:09,673 How do you not like a guy with that kind of record? 2567 02:06:09,674 --> 02:06:14,655 He's tremendous, pivotal figure in the music industry. 2568 02:06:14,656 --> 02:06:18,378 The whole thing with Tom Dowd was sort of a master plan 2569 02:06:18,379 --> 02:06:21,590 to get Skynyrd to go to Atlantic Records. 2570 02:06:21,591 --> 02:06:22,808 It was a whole thing. 2571 02:06:22,809 --> 02:06:25,820 We're gonna move off MCA, you know. 2572 02:06:25,821 --> 02:06:27,321 We're sick and tired of these guys. 2573 02:06:27,322 --> 02:06:28,435 We're not getting paid enough. 2574 02:06:28,436 --> 02:06:30,931 It was sort of a plan where it was going to be 2575 02:06:30,932 --> 02:06:31,986 an incremental thing. 2576 02:06:31,987 --> 02:06:35,350 The skins would be greased by having Tom Dowd 2577 02:06:35,351 --> 02:06:37,108 do their album and they they would just make a break 2578 02:06:37,109 --> 02:06:38,116 completely. 2579 02:06:38,117 --> 02:06:42,172 - They respected Tom as like a Father figure. 2580 02:06:42,173 --> 02:06:46,051 Al Kooper was like one of the bros, you know? 2581 02:06:46,052 --> 02:06:48,537 Al should have been put out on a little bit 2582 02:06:48,538 --> 02:06:49,709 of a pedestal. 2583 02:06:49,710 --> 02:06:52,733 Al should have be given a little bit more respect. 2584 02:06:52,734 --> 02:06:56,132 Tom Dowd, they called him Father Dowd. 2585 02:06:56,133 --> 02:07:01,129 Tom liked to rehearse parts and go over things. 2586 02:07:01,139 --> 02:07:04,267 He was meticulous and had good ideas. 2587 02:07:04,268 --> 02:07:06,975 And yes, Ed was missed. 2588 02:07:06,976 --> 02:07:08,745 I missed Ed. 2589 02:07:08,746 --> 02:07:12,308 And Ronnie missed that guy that he wrote songs with, 2590 02:07:12,309 --> 02:07:17,304 but the sessions were better on Gimme Back My Bullets 2591 02:07:17,630 --> 02:07:20,373 because we were a little more prepared. 2592 02:07:20,374 --> 02:07:22,768 Some songs had been written on the road 2593 02:07:23,631 --> 02:07:25,495 and on break. 2594 02:07:25,496 --> 02:07:27,734 There was some material that had been looked at. 2595 02:07:41,788 --> 02:07:44,284 - [Voiceover] Completed in November 1975 2596 02:07:44,285 --> 02:07:46,171 Gimme Back My Bullets was rushed released 2597 02:07:46,172 --> 02:07:48,363 and out in stores the following February. 2598 02:07:48,364 --> 02:07:50,356 Yet, there were signs that Skynyrd were losing 2599 02:07:50,357 --> 02:07:51,716 their wider appeal. 2600 02:07:51,717 --> 02:07:53,908 Although it was the first of their albums to chart 2601 02:07:53,909 --> 02:07:56,158 in the UK, where they were steadily amassing 2602 02:07:56,159 --> 02:07:57,858 a significant fan base. 2603 02:07:57,859 --> 02:08:00,190 In the US it sold disappointingly. 2604 02:08:00,191 --> 02:08:03,179 It's lead single Double Trouble peaking at number 80 2605 02:08:03,180 --> 02:08:04,609 on the Billboard Chart. 2606 02:08:04,610 --> 02:08:06,860 Without Ed King's input as a song writer 2607 02:08:06,861 --> 02:08:09,040 or Al Kooper's slick production, for many 2608 02:08:09,041 --> 02:08:12,263 it was a sign that the band were in a creative rut. 2609 02:08:12,264 --> 02:08:16,236 - The thing that I really contributed to those records 2610 02:08:16,237 --> 02:08:19,250 was capturing the sound of the band 2611 02:08:19,251 --> 02:08:22,402 and using the studio 2612 02:08:23,594 --> 02:08:26,090 to enhance it even further 2613 02:08:26,091 --> 02:08:30,595 than it was and the best way to judge that 2614 02:08:31,717 --> 02:08:33,643 is I did the first three albums 2615 02:08:35,023 --> 02:08:37,250 and is to listen to the fourth album 2616 02:08:38,184 --> 02:08:42,830 because it's devoid of anything that I did 2617 02:08:42,831 --> 02:08:44,682 which surprised me. 2618 02:08:44,683 --> 02:08:47,121 It just made them sound like an average band 2619 02:08:47,122 --> 02:08:49,851 which they weren't and I was disappointed. 2620 02:08:49,852 --> 02:08:53,150 I remember getting the actual LP 2621 02:08:54,764 --> 02:08:56,615 and I didn't know how I was going to feel 2622 02:08:56,616 --> 02:08:58,127 about it. 2623 02:08:58,128 --> 02:09:00,952 I took it out and put it on the turntable 2624 02:09:00,953 --> 02:09:03,801 and as I was putting the needle down I said, 2625 02:09:03,802 --> 02:09:06,008 "Knock me on my ass, please." 2626 02:09:08,537 --> 02:09:09,279 So then I knew. 2627 02:09:10,224 --> 02:09:11,482 I wanted it to be good. 2628 02:09:13,307 --> 02:09:15,181 I was very disappointed 2629 02:09:15,182 --> 02:09:17,092 and I felt bad for them. 2630 02:09:17,093 --> 02:09:22,039 ♪ Life is so strange when it's changing, yes in deed ♪ 2631 02:09:22,040 --> 02:09:23,856 ♪ Well, I've seen the hard times ♪ 2632 02:09:23,857 --> 02:09:27,115 ♪ And the pressure's been on me ♪ 2633 02:09:27,116 --> 02:09:29,247 ♪ But I keep on workin' ♪ 2634 02:09:29,248 --> 02:09:32,353 ♪ Like a workin' man do ♪ 2635 02:09:32,354 --> 02:09:34,569 ♪ And I got my act together ♪ 2636 02:09:34,570 --> 02:09:36,374 ♪ I'm gonna walk all over you ♪ 2637 02:09:36,375 --> 02:09:40,231 ♪ Gimme back my bullets ♪ 2638 02:09:40,232 --> 02:09:45,227 ♪ Put em back where they belong ♪ 2639 02:09:46,092 --> 02:09:51,087 ♪ Ain't foolin' around cause I done had my fun ♪ 2640 02:09:51,391 --> 02:09:55,539 ♪ Ain't gonna see no more damage done. ♪ 2641 02:09:55,540 --> 02:09:57,278 ♪ Gimme back my bullets ♪ 2642 02:09:58,447 --> 02:10:00,638 - Al Kooper had a certain style 2643 02:10:00,639 --> 02:10:03,005 and the early recordings of the band 2644 02:10:03,006 --> 02:10:05,917 he had full control of that freshness. 2645 02:10:07,085 --> 02:10:10,846 When Tom came along we were looking 2646 02:10:10,847 --> 02:10:15,843 for some help and I don't think Tom was able 2647 02:10:16,240 --> 02:10:18,173 to capture that sound. 2648 02:10:18,174 --> 02:10:19,408 It was nobody's fault, 2649 02:10:20,847 --> 02:10:24,339 but the facts were that the band 2650 02:10:26,293 --> 02:10:29,047 was very popular, 2651 02:10:29,048 --> 02:10:31,231 expected to come out with some more material. 2652 02:10:32,306 --> 02:10:36,897 Tom Dowd was the magic man, Aretha Franklin, 2653 02:10:36,898 --> 02:10:39,590 Live Cream, Derrick and the Dominos, 2654 02:10:39,591 --> 02:10:42,146 The Allman Brothers, he had a track record, 2655 02:10:42,147 --> 02:10:43,951 so Ronnie liked that. 2656 02:10:43,952 --> 02:10:46,557 But capturing the magic from Pronounced, 2657 02:10:47,574 --> 02:10:50,222 that boat had left, you know had sailed, 2658 02:10:50,223 --> 02:10:51,570 that Pronounced boat. 2659 02:10:51,571 --> 02:10:53,270 You can't get that magic, 2660 02:10:53,271 --> 02:10:58,266 but Tom in his own way emphasized 2661 02:10:59,518 --> 02:11:02,564 the words and Ronnie Van Zant and made sure 2662 02:11:02,565 --> 02:11:03,948 that those vocals were out there. 2663 02:11:03,949 --> 02:11:05,437 And that's what the band was about. 2664 02:11:05,438 --> 02:11:07,651 ♪ Those misters dressed in blue ♪ 2665 02:11:07,652 --> 02:11:10,231 ♪ Never done so right by me ♪ 2666 02:11:10,232 --> 02:11:12,723 ♪ Some of the times I was innocent ♪ 2667 02:11:12,724 --> 02:11:15,267 ♪ but the judge said guilty ♪ 2668 02:11:15,268 --> 02:11:18,913 ♪ I'm not one to complain ♪ 2669 02:11:18,914 --> 02:11:23,909 ♪ Now son I tell you true ♪ 2670 02:11:24,868 --> 02:11:27,012 ♪ When the black cat cross your trail ♪ 2671 02:11:27,013 --> 02:11:32,008 ♪ Lord they come in pairs of two ♪ 2672 02:11:33,803 --> 02:11:36,674 ♪ Double Trouble ♪ 2673 02:11:36,675 --> 02:11:41,670 ♪ That's what my friends all call me ♪ 2674 02:11:42,723 --> 02:11:45,769 ♪ Double, double ♪ 2675 02:11:45,770 --> 02:11:48,540 ♪ T-R-O-U-B-L-E ♪ 2676 02:11:50,330 --> 02:11:53,423 - I think that Tom Dowd was probably a logical person 2677 02:11:53,424 --> 02:11:56,096 to work with because he was clearly a great producer. 2678 02:11:56,097 --> 02:11:57,819 He had the history with The Allman Brothers 2679 02:11:57,820 --> 02:12:00,234 as well as with Cream who are very profound 2680 02:12:00,235 --> 02:12:01,828 influence on Lynyrd Skynyrd, 2681 02:12:01,829 --> 02:12:03,480 so I'm sure it all made sense. 2682 02:12:03,481 --> 02:12:06,868 I'm sure that Tom worked his very hardest 2683 02:12:06,869 --> 02:12:08,310 to get something out of them. 2684 02:12:08,311 --> 02:12:10,080 I think the biggest issue with that album 2685 02:12:10,081 --> 02:12:11,779 was that the material just wasn't there. 2686 02:12:11,780 --> 02:12:13,877 They really didn't have the songs. 2687 02:12:13,878 --> 02:12:16,269 The loss of Ed King almost certainly had 2688 02:12:16,270 --> 02:12:20,113 a volatarious impact on Lynyrd Skynyrd song writing. 2689 02:12:20,114 --> 02:12:21,848 Their song writing suffered. 2690 02:12:21,849 --> 02:12:24,427 Their creativity suffered and at that point 2691 02:12:24,428 --> 02:12:26,361 it seemed like a fairly reasonable bet 2692 02:12:26,362 --> 02:12:28,318 to think that Lynyrd Skynyrd was petering out 2693 02:12:28,319 --> 02:12:31,636 and was not going to be a creative or commercial 2694 02:12:31,637 --> 02:12:33,581 force for much longer. 2695 02:12:33,582 --> 02:12:36,265 - [Voiceover] Yet, Gimme Back My Bullets would be divisive 2696 02:12:36,266 --> 02:12:40,016 with some critics and fans viewing it as an overlooked gem 2697 02:12:40,017 --> 02:12:41,763 in Skynyrd's cannon. 2698 02:12:41,764 --> 02:12:44,083 - I think Gimmie Back My Bullets was one of their best 2699 02:12:44,084 --> 02:12:46,651 albums, that's just my opinion, always. 2700 02:12:46,652 --> 02:12:48,702 Me and Alan always agreed on that. 2701 02:12:48,703 --> 02:12:50,483 I loved that album. 2702 02:12:50,484 --> 02:12:52,600 Of course none of the rest of them, 2703 02:12:52,601 --> 02:12:54,604 it didn't sell well. 2704 02:12:54,605 --> 02:12:56,902 Nobody else was really satisfied with it. 2705 02:12:56,903 --> 02:12:59,035 I thought it was a great album. 2706 02:12:59,036 --> 02:13:01,379 - I feel like this record really did get it's 2707 02:13:01,380 --> 02:13:03,197 short's ripped. 2708 02:13:03,198 --> 02:13:06,302 Maybe because there isn't a big hit song 2709 02:13:06,303 --> 02:13:07,580 on the record. 2710 02:13:07,581 --> 02:13:09,784 I think that they are actually getting stronger 2711 02:13:09,785 --> 02:13:11,389 as a band when I listen to this record 2712 02:13:11,390 --> 02:13:12,719 now, today. 2713 02:13:13,758 --> 02:13:16,582 It's very, it's a very self assured record. 2714 02:13:16,583 --> 02:13:18,153 The playing is great. 2715 02:13:18,154 --> 02:13:19,173 It's a great record. 2716 02:13:19,174 --> 02:13:22,876 Probably a better record than even fans 2717 02:13:22,877 --> 02:13:26,159 might give it credit for, just because it doesn't have 2718 02:13:26,160 --> 02:13:30,472 Free Bird or Sweet Home Alabama or Simple Man 2719 02:13:30,473 --> 02:13:33,261 or like one of these tunes, 2720 02:13:33,262 --> 02:13:35,043 these block buster tunes. 2721 02:13:35,044 --> 02:13:38,501 I think the record actually hasn't gotten it's due. 2722 02:13:38,502 --> 02:13:40,978 I think it's a better record than people think. 2723 02:13:42,511 --> 02:13:45,076 If a Skynyrd fan was sitting here he go, "I know. 2724 02:13:45,077 --> 02:13:47,784 "You don't have to tell me." 2725 02:13:47,785 --> 02:13:49,648 - [Voiceover] If Gimme Back my Bullets was commercially 2726 02:13:49,649 --> 02:13:52,261 a disappointment, as a live act, Skynyrd was losing none 2727 02:13:52,262 --> 02:13:53,961 of it's appeal. 2728 02:13:53,962 --> 02:13:55,814 Just before the album's release the band 2729 02:13:55,815 --> 02:13:58,744 headed across the Atlantic for another European tour. 2730 02:13:58,745 --> 02:14:01,381 Returning to the US in March to embark on a three month 2731 02:14:01,382 --> 02:14:02,905 run of shows. 2732 02:14:02,906 --> 02:14:05,706 Now a headlining act playing large venues, 2733 02:14:05,707 --> 02:14:08,930 Ronnie Van Zant was keen to expand Skynyrd's live sound 2734 02:14:08,931 --> 02:14:11,708 and brought female backing singers Leslie Hawkins, 2735 02:14:11,709 --> 02:14:15,576 Deborah, Jo Jo Billingsly and Cassie Gains into the fold 2736 02:14:15,577 --> 02:14:18,601 who would collectively be know as The Honkettes. 2737 02:14:18,602 --> 02:14:20,757 It was a welcome addition to the stage show 2738 02:14:20,758 --> 02:14:22,715 and although the widest Southern Rock movement 2739 02:14:22,716 --> 02:14:26,384 had by 1976 begun to wain, Lynyrd Skynyrd remained 2740 02:14:26,385 --> 02:14:28,417 one of the top live draws in the world. 2741 02:14:30,265 --> 02:14:33,405 - We had three beautiful women that sang back-up with us, 2742 02:14:33,406 --> 02:14:35,737 The Honkettes, hand-picked by Ronnie Van Zant. 2743 02:14:35,738 --> 02:14:38,093 Cassie was like a broadway singer. 2744 02:14:38,094 --> 02:14:39,875 She had a broadway voice. 2745 02:14:39,876 --> 02:14:41,891 Ooo, you know, really strong. 2746 02:14:41,892 --> 02:14:44,541 Leslie Hawkins was our soprano. 2747 02:14:44,542 --> 02:14:46,256 She was our song bird. 2748 02:14:47,366 --> 02:14:50,518 Jo Jo was the honkey-tonk queen. 2749 02:14:50,519 --> 02:14:53,683 She had that rough, baby, baby 2750 02:14:53,684 --> 02:14:55,394 and Ronnie liked that. 2751 02:14:55,395 --> 02:14:57,669 He liked the fact that the girls were all different. 2752 02:14:57,670 --> 02:15:00,071 Their blend was perfect. 2753 02:15:00,072 --> 02:15:01,060 He hand-picked them. 2754 02:15:05,042 --> 02:15:09,155 ♪ Let's cry for the bad man ♪ 2755 02:15:09,156 --> 02:15:13,000 ♪ ooo, ooo, ooo, hoo ♪ 2756 02:15:13,001 --> 02:15:15,287 ♪ I wrote a song for the bad man ♪ 2757 02:15:15,288 --> 02:15:16,882 ♪ Bad man ♪ 2758 02:15:16,883 --> 02:15:20,397 ♪ ooo, ooo, ooo, hoo ♪ 2759 02:15:20,398 --> 02:15:23,720 ♪ Let's cry for the bad man ♪ 2760 02:15:25,959 --> 02:15:27,244 - Everybody thinks we're a Southern band 2761 02:15:27,245 --> 02:15:29,845 well, we are and the crowds in the South 2762 02:15:29,846 --> 02:15:32,916 are crazy, but man, when we play in New York City 2763 02:15:32,917 --> 02:15:35,284 and up North they love the music. 2764 02:15:35,285 --> 02:15:38,144 They were just as big of fans as the people in the South 2765 02:15:38,145 --> 02:15:41,286 as well as in UK, just as big of fans 2766 02:15:41,287 --> 02:15:45,001 When we went to Japan they treated us like 2767 02:15:45,002 --> 02:15:46,935 we were the Beatles, man. 2768 02:15:46,936 --> 02:15:51,436 Anywhere we played the reception was always the same, 2769 02:15:51,437 --> 02:15:53,347 very exuberant. 2770 02:15:53,348 --> 02:15:55,234 - [Voiceover] Lynyrd Skynyrd was strengthened even further 2771 02:15:55,235 --> 02:15:59,125 by the introduction of a new guitarist in May1976. 2772 02:15:59,126 --> 02:16:01,165 A position that Van Zant had beer considering filling 2773 02:16:01,166 --> 02:16:03,556 ever since Ed King's departure. 2774 02:16:03,557 --> 02:16:06,943 Upon her arrival in the band, backing vocalist Cassie Gains 2775 02:16:06,944 --> 02:16:09,745 had been recommending her younger brother, Steve. 2776 02:16:09,746 --> 02:16:12,464 Yet, this suggestion was initially dismissed by the band 2777 02:16:12,465 --> 02:16:14,556 because they were looking for a higher profile player. 2778 02:16:15,431 --> 02:16:18,489 In May, however, at a show in Kansas City, Van Zant 2779 02:16:18,490 --> 02:16:20,975 invited Steve Gains to audition with Skynyrd 2780 02:16:20,976 --> 02:16:24,185 at a live concert and following further jams with the band 2781 02:16:24,186 --> 02:16:26,424 he proved that he was more than qualified to take 2782 02:16:26,425 --> 02:16:28,710 on the roll as third guitarist. 2783 02:16:28,711 --> 02:16:30,363 - He got out and played with us in front 2784 02:16:30,364 --> 02:16:32,149 of about 80,000 people. 2785 02:16:32,150 --> 02:16:34,114 Ronnie asked him that day, you know, to be a part 2786 02:16:34,115 --> 02:16:35,614 of the band. 2787 02:16:35,615 --> 02:16:39,705 At the time Ed left the band there was everybody 2788 02:16:39,706 --> 02:16:44,668 in the band had tremendous drug and alcohol problems 2789 02:16:45,825 --> 02:16:48,531 and so I'm not blaming anybody. 2790 02:16:48,532 --> 02:16:49,505 It wasn't Ed's fault. 2791 02:16:49,506 --> 02:16:50,758 It wasn't Ronnie's fault. 2792 02:16:50,759 --> 02:16:51,888 It was just the times. 2793 02:16:53,374 --> 02:16:56,209 Steve came at a great time. 2794 02:16:56,210 --> 02:16:59,889 Steve's very mellow, laid back intellect came in. 2795 02:16:59,890 --> 02:17:04,332 That in itself helped us right the ship. 2796 02:17:04,333 --> 02:17:06,910 We were a happy family. 2797 02:17:06,911 --> 02:17:10,239 Everybody wanted to be cool for Steve 2798 02:17:10,240 --> 02:17:12,420 because he was such a nice guy. 2799 02:17:12,421 --> 02:17:14,154 The band didn't want Steve to know 2800 02:17:14,155 --> 02:17:17,054 that they were out of their mind drunken maniacs. 2801 02:17:17,964 --> 02:17:19,277 That was later. 2802 02:17:19,278 --> 02:17:19,843 That came later. 2803 02:17:21,106 --> 02:17:22,794 - [Voiceover] Reinvigorated by the introduction 2804 02:17:22,795 --> 02:17:25,771 of this young virtuoso in July the band recorded 2805 02:17:25,772 --> 02:17:28,871 a live album across three dates at Atlanta's Fox Theater. 2806 02:17:29,828 --> 02:17:32,769 After the rushed Nuthin' Fancy and the commercial 2807 02:17:32,770 --> 02:17:34,750 disappointment of Gimme Back My Bullets 2808 02:17:34,751 --> 02:17:37,475 Skynyrd needed to reestablish their energy on record. 2809 02:17:37,476 --> 02:17:41,110 With One More From the Road release September 1976 2810 02:17:41,111 --> 02:17:43,102 they succeeded. 2811 02:17:43,103 --> 02:17:45,739 Peaking in the Top-10 in the US and going platinum 2812 02:17:45,740 --> 02:17:48,627 before the year was out it restored their reputation. 2813 02:17:49,702 --> 02:17:51,249 - I remember when it came out. 2814 02:17:51,250 --> 02:17:52,502 It sounded phenomenal. 2815 02:17:52,503 --> 02:17:54,003 Skynyrd was a live band. 2816 02:17:54,004 --> 02:17:55,409 They lived to play live, 2817 02:17:55,410 --> 02:17:57,965 and you could tell, that's their thing. 2818 02:17:57,966 --> 02:17:59,020 They're musicians. 2819 02:17:59,021 --> 02:18:00,930 They're going to thrive on an audience 2820 02:18:00,931 --> 02:18:04,334 and ratcheting things up to another level. 2821 02:18:06,072 --> 02:18:09,236 Free Bird live is just phenomenal. 2822 02:18:09,237 --> 02:18:11,057 It's just everything it should be. 2823 02:18:12,026 --> 02:18:14,405 - Lynyrd Skynyrd recorded One More From The Road 2824 02:18:14,406 --> 02:18:17,171 in July 1976. 2825 02:18:17,172 --> 02:18:19,116 Steve Gains had only been a member of the band 2826 02:18:19,117 --> 02:18:20,242 for two months. 2827 02:18:20,243 --> 02:18:21,824 As strong as the album is, 2828 02:18:21,825 --> 02:18:23,724 as much as it was a great live album 2829 02:18:23,725 --> 02:18:25,388 that really reestablished them 2830 02:18:25,389 --> 02:18:27,063 and stands the test of time 2831 02:18:27,064 --> 02:18:29,009 I believe if it had been recorded two or three 2832 02:18:29,010 --> 02:18:32,983 months later it would have been quite a bit better. 2833 02:18:32,984 --> 02:18:35,198 Steve Gains was a fantastic guitar player 2834 02:18:35,199 --> 02:18:38,539 who had unique ideas, jump started the band 2835 02:18:38,540 --> 02:18:41,035 and surely gave a kick in the behind 2836 02:18:41,036 --> 02:18:43,021 to Gary Rossington and Allen Collins. 2837 02:18:44,372 --> 02:18:46,856 As a musician if you add another person 2838 02:18:46,857 --> 02:18:50,010 of that caliber into the mix it has to do that. 2839 02:18:50,011 --> 02:18:51,029 It just has to. 2840 02:18:51,030 --> 02:18:53,854 It has to change the dynamics and I think what you hear 2841 02:18:53,855 --> 02:18:57,047 on this live album is the very beginnings of that happening. 2842 02:18:58,367 --> 02:19:00,231 - [Voiceover] This confirmation of the band's status 2843 02:19:00,232 --> 02:19:02,094 as one of the greatest live acts in the world 2844 02:19:02,095 --> 02:19:05,493 continued in 1976 with a show in front of their biggest 2845 02:19:05,494 --> 02:19:06,435 crowd to date. 2846 02:19:07,357 --> 02:19:11,131 August 21st almost two months after The Fox Theater concerts 2847 02:19:11,132 --> 02:19:13,980 were recorded, Skynyrd travelled to the UK to perform 2848 02:19:13,981 --> 02:19:15,726 at the Knebworth festival. 2849 02:19:15,727 --> 02:19:18,446 On a bill headlined by a band who had initially inspired 2850 02:19:18,447 --> 02:19:21,224 Ronnie Van Zant to persue music in the first place, 2851 02:19:21,225 --> 02:19:23,169 The Rolling Stones. 2852 02:19:23,170 --> 02:19:26,064 Not only did Skynyrd deliver a momentous set they were 2853 02:19:26,065 --> 02:19:28,409 considered the high-lite of the event. 2854 02:19:28,410 --> 02:19:31,656 - Everybody that was there said the same thing, 2855 02:19:31,657 --> 02:19:33,308 "The Stones were horrible. 2856 02:19:33,309 --> 02:19:34,855 "They were barely coherent. 2857 02:19:34,856 --> 02:19:36,168 "They could barely stand up." 2858 02:19:36,169 --> 02:19:39,110 Skynyrd's set is what turned on the entire crowd 2859 02:19:39,111 --> 02:19:40,856 probably 1/2 a million people or whatever, 2860 02:19:40,857 --> 02:19:42,498 200,000, 300,000. 2861 02:19:42,499 --> 02:19:44,982 - It was 100% cool. 2862 02:19:44,983 --> 02:19:48,956 The Mirror said that we possessed the energy of the day 2863 02:19:48,957 --> 02:19:51,864 because of the energy of our set. 2864 02:19:51,865 --> 02:19:55,051 The Stone came out two hours late and drunk. 2865 02:19:55,052 --> 02:19:57,431 I actually made a statement that we blew 2866 02:19:57,432 --> 02:19:59,107 The Stones off the stage. 2867 02:19:59,108 --> 02:20:02,085 Nobody blows The Stones off the stage, of course. 2868 02:20:02,086 --> 02:20:05,280 I felt like we gave it a nice try 2869 02:20:05,281 --> 02:20:08,051 as far as going out 2870 02:20:08,052 --> 02:20:11,048 and doing our show and our set and just standing 2871 02:20:11,049 --> 02:20:12,677 on the music alone. 2872 02:20:12,678 --> 02:20:15,143 I think standing on the music alone, we held our own. 2873 02:20:25,068 --> 02:20:27,750 - We're on stage in front of 1/2 a million people 2874 02:20:27,751 --> 02:20:30,147 and Steve Gains is taking a solo 2875 02:20:31,596 --> 02:20:33,576 and you can see Ronnie back up to him 2876 02:20:33,577 --> 02:20:37,351 on this humongous stage and you can see his smile. 2877 02:20:37,352 --> 02:20:40,105 You can see that he's thinking to himself, 2878 02:20:40,106 --> 02:20:45,028 "Man, am I a smart guy, man for bringing this Steve Gains 2879 02:20:45,029 --> 02:20:47,279 "dude into the band." 2880 02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:51,651 Because Steve's just shredding on this solo 2881 02:20:51,652 --> 02:20:54,340 and Ronnie's got this beautiful smile on his face. 2882 02:20:55,238 --> 02:20:56,344 (guitar music solo) 2883 02:21:23,839 --> 02:21:25,971 And Ronnie, you can just see that moment 2884 02:21:25,972 --> 02:21:28,479 that he just looks at Steve and to me 2885 02:21:28,480 --> 02:21:30,168 that just says it all. 2886 02:21:30,169 --> 02:21:32,821 Steve Gains made a huge difference in the band. 2887 02:21:33,908 --> 02:21:35,688 - [Voiceover] Although they were apparently riding high 2888 02:21:35,689 --> 02:21:38,724 again reenergized by Gains and back in the charts 2889 02:21:38,725 --> 02:21:41,139 with One More From The Road the band members 2890 02:21:41,140 --> 02:21:43,541 drink and drug problems were too far advanced 2891 02:21:43,542 --> 02:21:45,745 for each of them to properly control. 2892 02:21:45,746 --> 02:21:49,180 In September '76 both Allen Collins and Gary Rossington 2893 02:21:49,181 --> 02:21:51,840 were involved in road accidents caused by their substance 2894 02:21:51,841 --> 02:21:53,282 abuse issues. 2895 02:21:53,283 --> 02:21:55,978 Rossington's injuries in particular causing six concerts 2896 02:21:55,979 --> 02:21:57,619 to be cancelled. 2897 02:21:57,620 --> 02:22:00,045 At this point Van Zant acknowledged that they needed 2898 02:22:00,046 --> 02:22:01,464 to change their ways. 2899 02:22:01,465 --> 02:22:03,931 Pening the song That Smell and turning to his 2900 02:22:03,932 --> 02:22:06,312 old friend Gene Odom to step in and curb their 2901 02:22:06,313 --> 02:22:07,801 excesses. 2902 02:22:07,802 --> 02:22:09,969 - He says, "I want you to stay with me and be my bodyguard. 2903 02:22:09,970 --> 02:22:10,988 "Take care of us. 2904 02:22:10,989 --> 02:22:13,403 "Get us off of the booze and alcohol, do that first 2905 02:22:13,404 --> 02:22:15,208 "and then the drugs will be next." 2906 02:22:15,209 --> 02:22:17,494 He said, "I want you to straighten this band up. 2907 02:22:17,495 --> 02:22:19,299 "I want you to get us off of all this crap. 2908 02:22:19,300 --> 02:22:21,773 "And you're the only person that can do it because 2909 02:22:21,774 --> 02:22:23,707 "you're the only person that'll never do drugs 2910 02:22:23,708 --> 02:22:25,723 "or never smoke, or never drink." 2911 02:22:25,724 --> 02:22:28,184 And he was determined to get them off of it. 2912 02:22:28,185 --> 02:22:31,318 And you can do a sociable drink or you can be an alcoholic. 2913 02:22:32,299 --> 02:22:34,314 He said, "We want to get away from this. 2914 02:22:34,315 --> 02:22:36,365 "And you're the only person that can do that for us. 2915 02:22:36,366 --> 02:22:37,928 "Management can't, nobody can do this, 2916 02:22:37,929 --> 02:22:40,202 "but somebody like you that's never going 2917 02:22:40,203 --> 02:22:42,117 "to hand us something and say, hey." 2918 02:22:43,134 --> 02:22:44,879 I would have got them off of it. 2919 02:22:44,880 --> 02:22:46,216 I would have got them off of it to the point 2920 02:22:46,217 --> 02:22:48,477 that they didn't have to live with it. 2921 02:22:48,478 --> 02:22:50,681 They might do it for a sociable thing, 2922 02:22:50,682 --> 02:22:53,846 but they didn't have to bury their head in it. 2923 02:22:53,847 --> 02:22:55,423 And he wanted that. 2924 02:22:56,931 --> 02:22:59,239 - [Voiceover] 1977 started well. 2925 02:22:59,240 --> 02:23:01,947 Skynyrd heading off the successful tours first in Japan 2926 02:23:01,948 --> 02:23:04,526 and then in the UK before returning to Jacksonville 2927 02:23:04,527 --> 02:23:07,221 in February to work up fresh material. 2928 02:23:07,222 --> 02:23:09,625 Having recorded demos of these new compositions 2929 02:23:09,626 --> 02:23:12,332 at a local studio, in April the band transferred 2930 02:23:12,333 --> 02:23:15,333 to Criteria Studios in Miami to work once again 2931 02:23:15,334 --> 02:23:16,907 with producer Tom Dowd. 2932 02:23:17,971 --> 02:23:20,291 Yet, after cutting the majority of the album there 2933 02:23:20,292 --> 02:23:22,330 they were alerted by their live sound engineer 2934 02:23:22,331 --> 02:23:25,501 Kevin Elson to the poor quality of the recording. 2935 02:23:25,502 --> 02:23:28,319 Skynyrd abandoned both Tom Dowd and the studio. 2936 02:23:29,359 --> 02:23:31,069 - The stuff was sounding like crap. 2937 02:23:31,070 --> 02:23:32,652 It was thin and weak. 2938 02:23:32,653 --> 02:23:34,902 We needed to go home back to Studio One 2939 02:23:34,903 --> 02:23:36,789 where Sweet Home Alabama was recorded, 2940 02:23:36,790 --> 02:23:37,787 Saturday Night Special. 2941 02:23:37,788 --> 02:23:40,228 Go back where we could get that good sound, 2942 02:23:41,432 --> 02:23:45,733 so we trashed about $70,000 worth of material 2943 02:23:45,734 --> 02:23:49,109 that we had recorded at Criteria in Florida. 2944 02:23:49,110 --> 02:23:50,566 We just threw it in the garbage can. 2945 02:23:51,535 --> 02:23:54,254 - [Voiceover] Skynyrd would have to wait until July 1977 2946 02:23:54,255 --> 02:23:55,813 to re-record the album. 2947 02:23:55,814 --> 02:23:58,017 Their schedule once again demanding that they return 2948 02:23:58,018 --> 02:24:00,049 to the road for two months of US shows. 2949 02:24:01,089 --> 02:24:04,159 When they finally did reconvene first at Studio One 2950 02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:07,557 in Doraville and later at Muscle Shoals working once again 2951 02:24:07,558 --> 02:24:09,223 with Jimmy Johnson. 2952 02:24:09,224 --> 02:24:12,099 Ronnie Van Zant himself oversaw the album's completion. 2953 02:24:13,279 --> 02:24:15,845 The band's radical decision to abandon the original 2954 02:24:15,846 --> 02:24:18,787 recordings and start again from scratch paid dividends 2955 02:24:18,788 --> 02:24:19,631 however. 2956 02:24:19,632 --> 02:24:23,697 Released in October 1977 Street Survivor sproved 2957 02:24:23,698 --> 02:24:25,590 a phenomenal return to form. 2958 02:24:25,591 --> 02:24:27,718 Steve Gains not only injecting the proceedings 2959 02:24:27,719 --> 02:24:29,897 with new vitality but also contributing 2960 02:24:29,898 --> 02:24:33,590 as both a songwriter and lead singer on one track. 2961 02:24:33,591 --> 02:24:36,239 It would however sadly be the only studio album 2962 02:24:36,240 --> 02:24:38,389 of Skynyrd's to which he was able to contribute. 2963 02:24:39,276 --> 02:24:42,070 - Street Survivors is an extremely strong album. 2964 02:24:42,071 --> 02:24:45,557 I think it's clearly their best album since Second Helping. 2965 02:24:46,432 --> 02:24:49,092 The band sounds completely revitalized 2966 02:24:49,093 --> 02:24:51,793 by Steve Gains whose playing is all over the album, 2967 02:24:53,079 --> 02:24:56,359 but in addition, Ronnie Van Zant has written his 2968 02:24:56,360 --> 02:24:59,700 best batch of songs since the beginning 2969 02:24:59,701 --> 02:25:01,756 perhaps inspired by Steve's presence. 2970 02:25:03,018 --> 02:25:05,736 The fact that there was a torture history to the 2971 02:25:05,737 --> 02:25:07,553 recording of the album, that it was recorded once 2972 02:25:07,554 --> 02:25:11,726 and put aside is a fascinating foot note 2973 02:25:11,727 --> 02:25:13,847 because it doesn't sound anything like that. 2974 02:25:13,848 --> 02:25:17,224 It sounds easy and natural and hard driving 2975 02:25:17,225 --> 02:25:18,594 and heart swinging. 2976 02:25:18,595 --> 02:25:20,412 They had those songs under their thumbs. 2977 02:25:20,413 --> 02:25:21,935 They don't sound like new songs. 2978 02:25:21,936 --> 02:25:24,280 They don't sound tentative in the least 2979 02:25:24,281 --> 02:25:26,987 and it's an extremely strong album. 2980 02:25:26,988 --> 02:25:29,765 It's probably the Lynyrd Skynyrd album that I listen 2981 02:25:29,766 --> 02:25:30,808 to the most. 2982 02:25:30,809 --> 02:25:35,556 ♪ Whiskey bottles and brand new cars ♪ 2983 02:25:35,557 --> 02:25:39,095 ♪ Oak tree you're in my way ♪ 2984 02:25:39,096 --> 02:25:41,194 ♪ There's too much coke ♪ 2985 02:25:41,195 --> 02:25:43,315 ♪ And too much smoke ♪ 2986 02:25:43,316 --> 02:25:47,418 ♪ Look what's going on inside you ♪ 2987 02:25:47,419 --> 02:25:51,556 ♪ Ooo ooo that smell ♪ 2988 02:25:51,557 --> 02:25:55,259 ♪ Can't you smell that smell ♪ 2989 02:25:55,260 --> 02:26:00,255 ♪ Ooo ooo that smell ♪ 2990 02:26:00,289 --> 02:26:02,813 ♪ The smell of death surrounds you ♪ 2991 02:26:05,943 --> 02:26:10,076 - That smell is an eery song listened to 2992 02:26:10,077 --> 02:26:12,049 with the knowledge of what was soon to come. 2993 02:26:13,007 --> 02:26:18,002 And it shows that Ronnie Van Zant, similar to Am I losing 2994 02:26:18,975 --> 02:26:23,970 was aware of the dangerous terrain that the band was 2995 02:26:24,203 --> 02:26:27,659 walking on and he understood that they were surrounded 2996 02:26:27,660 --> 02:26:31,047 by a certain amount of doom and gloom and foreboding 2997 02:26:31,048 --> 02:26:35,032 and that things had to change or they wouldn't last long. 2998 02:26:35,033 --> 02:26:38,643 ♪ Now they call you prince charming ♪ 2999 02:26:38,644 --> 02:26:42,933 ♪ Can't speak a work when you're full of ludes ♪ 3000 02:26:42,934 --> 02:26:46,743 ♪ Say, you'll be all right come tomorrow ♪ 3001 02:26:46,744 --> 02:26:51,739 ♪ But tomorrow might not be here for you ♪ 3002 02:26:52,470 --> 02:26:54,427 ♪ Yeah, you ♪ 3003 02:26:54,428 --> 02:26:56,853 - He has a statement to make about Rossington 3004 02:26:56,854 --> 02:26:59,232 because you know, he had to go see Rossington 3005 02:26:59,233 --> 02:27:00,663 in the hospital a few times. 3006 02:27:00,664 --> 02:27:03,194 Rossington almost died from a car accident, 3007 02:27:03,195 --> 02:27:05,785 one of his 8 million car accidents. 3008 02:27:05,786 --> 02:27:08,802 He was afraid it was going to ruin the band. 3009 02:27:10,076 --> 02:27:13,673 This was Ronnie's statement that this is not 3010 02:27:13,674 --> 02:27:14,624 going to continue. 3011 02:27:14,625 --> 02:27:16,545 I know I'm a hypocrite for saying this. 3012 02:27:16,546 --> 02:27:20,109 I'm including myself here in these lyrics. 3013 02:27:20,110 --> 02:27:22,546 I'm singing to myself in a way here 3014 02:27:22,547 --> 02:27:25,688 but I'm telling you prince charming 3015 02:27:25,689 --> 02:27:27,504 that you are not going to be able to continue 3016 02:27:27,505 --> 02:27:28,970 to do this. 3017 02:27:28,971 --> 02:27:33,966 ♪ It's 8 o'clock in Boise, Idaho ♪ 3018 02:27:34,981 --> 02:27:36,940 ♪ I find my limo driver ♪ 3019 02:27:36,941 --> 02:27:41,936 ♪ Mister take me to the show ♪ 3020 02:27:42,173 --> 02:27:47,168 ♪ I done made plans for later on tonight ♪ 3021 02:27:49,110 --> 02:27:51,406 ♪ I found a little queenie ♪ 3022 02:27:51,407 --> 02:27:55,721 ♪ I know I can treat her right ♪ 3023 02:27:55,722 --> 02:27:59,253 ♪ What's your name little girl ♪ 3024 02:27:59,254 --> 02:28:03,057 ♪ What's your name ♪ 3025 02:28:03,058 --> 02:28:05,976 ♪ Shouldn't stay little girl ♪ 3026 02:28:05,977 --> 02:28:07,879 ♪ Cause there ain't no shame ♪ 3027 02:28:09,408 --> 02:28:11,059 - I was really proud of that album. 3028 02:28:11,060 --> 02:28:12,690 From Nuthin' Fancy, 3029 02:28:12,691 --> 02:28:14,341 it was yeah, I don't like it. 3030 02:28:14,342 --> 02:28:16,419 Gimme Back My Bullets, you know, 3031 02:28:16,420 --> 02:28:20,905 Street Survivors, to me was an indication 3032 02:28:20,906 --> 02:28:23,483 of what we were going to do. 3033 02:28:23,484 --> 02:28:26,009 Street Survivors with Steve and Ronnie 3034 02:28:26,010 --> 02:28:28,577 and the band with the new spirit 3035 02:28:28,578 --> 02:28:32,626 and Steve is just a great guitar player, incredible. 3036 02:28:32,627 --> 02:28:35,480 Ronnie got our feet back on the ground 3037 02:28:35,481 --> 02:28:38,656 with Street Survivors and the success of the live 3038 02:28:38,657 --> 02:28:40,510 album and everything. 3039 02:28:40,511 --> 02:28:44,037 We had two winners and I think the next album 3040 02:28:44,038 --> 02:28:45,912 would have been amazing and I think that 3041 02:28:45,913 --> 02:28:48,992 Ed King would have been asked to come back 3042 02:28:48,993 --> 02:28:51,783 and write a song or play with us, perform with us. 3043 02:28:51,784 --> 02:28:53,281 And Bob, on double drums. 3044 02:28:55,450 --> 02:28:57,260 That's the vision that I had. 3045 02:28:57,261 --> 02:29:01,427 That I thought things would just would come around. 3046 02:29:01,428 --> 02:29:03,377 And then we had the plane crash 3047 02:29:03,378 --> 02:29:08,373 and Ronnie was killed and that's pretty definitive, 3048 02:29:08,631 --> 02:29:09,345 you know? 3049 02:29:09,345 --> 02:29:10,170 That's it. 3050 02:29:15,482 --> 02:29:17,858 - [Voiceover] Days before the release of Street Survivors 3051 02:29:17,859 --> 02:29:20,404 Skynyrd had embarked on a major headline tour 3052 02:29:20,405 --> 02:29:23,110 and for this ambitious run of shows, manager Peter Rutch 3053 02:29:23,111 --> 02:29:26,798 leased a private plane to transport the band and their crew. 3054 02:29:26,799 --> 02:29:29,888 Eager to save on costs, however, the model he picked out 3055 02:29:29,889 --> 02:29:32,125 for the crew had seen better days. 3056 02:29:32,126 --> 02:29:34,331 And although it had safely delivered them to their first 3057 02:29:34,332 --> 02:29:37,634 four dates the journey to the bands final ever show 3058 02:29:37,635 --> 02:29:40,692 together in Greenville, South Carolina, had revealed 3059 02:29:40,693 --> 02:29:43,308 just how unsafe their method of transport was. 3060 02:29:44,189 --> 02:29:47,235 Yet, just before 4 a.m. on the morning after the show 3061 02:29:47,236 --> 02:29:50,080 they reluctantly boarded the plane one final time 3062 02:29:50,081 --> 02:29:51,438 heading to Baton Rouge. 3063 02:29:52,446 --> 02:29:54,672 They would never make that destination. 3064 02:29:54,673 --> 02:29:57,176 - We'd shot a flame out of one of the engines 3065 02:29:57,177 --> 02:29:59,637 coming in to Greenville and that's why we called 3066 02:29:59,638 --> 02:30:02,099 our mechanic out of Dallas, Texas, and they were 3067 02:30:02,100 --> 02:30:05,376 gonna meet us in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and fix the plane. 3068 02:30:07,023 --> 02:30:08,589 But we shouldn't have tried to make it 3069 02:30:08,590 --> 02:30:09,995 from Greenville to Baton Rouge. 3070 02:30:09,996 --> 02:30:11,359 That was the mistake. 3071 02:30:11,360 --> 02:30:13,426 The plane had problems, obviously 3072 02:30:13,427 --> 02:30:15,638 and we took off. 3073 02:30:16,730 --> 02:30:18,594 And the rest is history. 3074 02:30:18,595 --> 02:30:20,869 We flew into the history books. 3075 02:30:33,240 --> 02:30:35,414 (chokes up) Excuse me. 3076 02:30:37,487 --> 02:30:38,952 (grinding metal) 3077 02:30:50,093 --> 02:30:53,475 - After we got on the plane and we got airborne 3078 02:30:53,476 --> 02:30:55,766 Ronnie gets up down to me because 3079 02:30:55,767 --> 02:30:56,826 they were hollering for me to come back 3080 02:30:56,827 --> 02:30:59,958 and play poker and I had run up to the cockpit 3081 02:30:59,959 --> 02:31:02,451 and I was hearing that in the engine and I was 3082 02:31:02,452 --> 02:31:05,057 communicating with the pilot about that damn engine. 3083 02:31:08,026 --> 02:31:10,369 Ronnie gets up and says, "Man, I took two sleeping pills 3084 02:31:10,370 --> 02:31:12,010 "because I was up all night long Gene." 3085 02:31:12,011 --> 02:31:13,597 And I said, "Yeah, I heard." 3086 02:31:13,598 --> 02:31:15,383 And he says, "I gotta get some sleep." 3087 02:31:21,621 --> 02:31:23,091 - We started running out of fuel. 3088 02:31:23,092 --> 02:31:24,285 I went to the cockpit. 3089 02:31:24,286 --> 02:31:25,840 I played stewardess. 3090 02:31:25,841 --> 02:31:27,338 I told everybody to put out their cigarettes. 3091 02:31:28,516 --> 02:31:32,458 Conserve power, turn off lights, everything 3092 02:31:32,459 --> 02:31:36,091 and get pillows and prepare for impact. 3093 02:31:36,092 --> 02:31:39,943 I'm a pilot, so I played stewardess 3094 02:31:40,951 --> 02:31:43,262 and I went back to the cockpit 3095 02:31:43,263 --> 02:31:46,314 and the pilot and co-pilot, Walter McCreary and John Gray 3096 02:31:46,315 --> 02:31:49,271 they said, "You better go back and strap yourself in." 3097 02:31:49,272 --> 02:31:51,338 And they looked at me and I could see they had fear 3098 02:31:51,339 --> 02:31:52,351 in their eyes. 3099 02:31:52,352 --> 02:31:55,537 - Artimus went back to his seat and I grabbed Ronnie 3100 02:31:55,538 --> 02:31:57,194 up off of the floor. 3101 02:31:57,195 --> 02:31:59,634 I snatched him up and shoved him between Allen and Gary, 3102 02:31:59,635 --> 02:32:00,966 but I said, "Man, the plane's crashing." 3103 02:32:00,967 --> 02:32:02,948 He said, "Don't be messing, Gene, I got 3104 02:32:02,949 --> 02:32:04,003 "to get some sleep, man. 3105 02:32:04,004 --> 02:32:05,889 "Don't be messing with me, man I gotta get some sleep." 3106 02:32:05,890 --> 02:32:07,040 I said, "The plane's crashing." 3107 02:32:07,041 --> 02:32:07,968 And I strapped him in. 3108 02:32:07,969 --> 02:32:09,278 He said, "Man, don't be messing with me." 3109 02:32:09,279 --> 02:32:10,956 I think he might have unsnapped it before, 3110 02:32:12,017 --> 02:32:13,342 I know he did, actually. 3111 02:32:15,000 --> 02:32:16,246 And I said, "Man, the plane's crashing. 3112 02:32:16,247 --> 02:32:16,630 "I'm not messing with you. 3113 02:32:16,630 --> 02:32:17,588 "Put your head down." 3114 02:32:17,589 --> 02:32:18,632 And I actually slapped him. 3115 02:32:18,633 --> 02:32:20,763 I said, "Man, put your head down. 3116 02:32:20,764 --> 02:32:22,021 "It's mostly trees." 3117 02:32:22,022 --> 02:32:25,046 - Suddenly we came out of the clouds the low ceiling. 3118 02:32:25,047 --> 02:32:26,437 We were right on the tree tops 3119 02:32:27,817 --> 02:32:30,352 and I heard one guy go, "Trees." 3120 02:32:30,353 --> 02:32:33,357 Clayton Johnson, he worked for Bill Graham 3121 02:32:33,358 --> 02:32:34,939 and he goes, "Trees." 3122 02:32:36,160 --> 02:32:38,621 And then I could feel the trees brush against 3123 02:32:38,622 --> 02:32:40,321 the belly of the plane, the fuselage. 3124 02:32:41,296 --> 02:32:43,490 And the pilot and co-pilot the last mistake 3125 02:32:43,491 --> 02:32:45,909 they made was to put the landing gear down. 3126 02:32:45,910 --> 02:32:48,061 And we almost cleared the trees. 3127 02:32:48,062 --> 02:32:49,820 There was a field in front of us. 3128 02:32:49,821 --> 02:32:51,823 We'd almost cleared those trees, 3129 02:32:51,824 --> 02:32:53,688 but they put their landing gear down. 3130 02:32:53,689 --> 02:32:55,360 Landing gear caught the tops of the trees, 3131 02:32:55,361 --> 02:32:57,171 tripped us into a 45 degree angle. 3132 02:32:57,172 --> 02:32:59,473 We cut through the woods. 3133 02:32:59,474 --> 02:33:01,354 I watched the right wing come off. 3134 02:33:02,394 --> 02:33:07,389 Just unbelievable crunch, impact, collision 3135 02:33:08,010 --> 02:33:09,681 with the earth. 3136 02:33:09,682 --> 02:33:12,809 And then it stopped and it was quiet. 3137 02:33:21,191 --> 02:33:23,320 - I was in Los Angeles. 3138 02:33:23,321 --> 02:33:26,399 I saw it on the TV and I stayed up all night 3139 02:33:26,400 --> 02:33:27,668 watching it. 3140 02:33:27,669 --> 02:33:32,192 They didn't say who perrished 3141 02:33:33,518 --> 02:33:34,706 until the morning, 3142 02:33:35,841 --> 02:33:36,976 until the sun was up 3143 02:33:37,855 --> 02:33:39,491 and that's why I kept watching. 3144 02:33:40,381 --> 02:33:41,473 I wanted to know. 3145 02:33:42,544 --> 02:33:44,035 I wanted to know that 3146 02:33:44,036 --> 02:33:45,809 like as soon as possible. 3147 02:33:46,859 --> 02:33:49,192 - There sitting against a tree is a piece 3148 02:33:49,193 --> 02:33:50,950 of an airplane wing torn away 3149 02:33:50,951 --> 02:33:52,709 from the rest of the airplane. 3150 02:33:52,710 --> 02:33:55,404 Lying down there at the base of the tree 3151 02:33:55,405 --> 02:33:58,110 is the engine and that back there, 3152 02:33:58,111 --> 02:33:59,847 that twisted metal back there 3153 02:33:59,848 --> 02:34:02,031 is the fuselage of the plane. 3154 02:34:02,032 --> 02:34:04,184 - I was at my Mother's and Father's house 3155 02:34:04,185 --> 02:34:07,818 They almost knocked the door down. 3156 02:34:07,819 --> 02:34:08,894 People crying. 3157 02:34:08,895 --> 02:34:12,687 They told me what happened and I lost it. 3158 02:34:12,688 --> 02:34:14,408 I said "Oh, God who have we lost?" 3159 02:34:15,640 --> 02:34:16,567 It killed me, man. 3160 02:34:16,568 --> 02:34:18,020 It killed me. 3161 02:34:19,059 --> 02:34:19,735 Killed me. 3162 02:34:23,566 --> 02:34:25,291 - [Voiceover] As the surviving band members 3163 02:34:25,292 --> 02:34:27,529 and their crew were taken to various hospitals 3164 02:34:27,530 --> 02:34:30,395 in the vicinity it soon emerged that Skynyrd's latest 3165 02:34:30,396 --> 02:34:34,082 recruit, Steve Gains, his sister Cassie and the band's 3166 02:34:34,083 --> 02:34:36,735 assistant Dean Kilpatrick who had been working 3167 02:34:36,736 --> 02:34:40,194 with them since 1969 had all been killed on impact. 3168 02:34:41,691 --> 02:34:43,805 So too had Ronnie Van Zant. 3169 02:34:44,898 --> 02:34:46,443 Although the public would become aware 3170 02:34:46,444 --> 02:34:48,797 of these details within days of the crash 3171 02:34:48,798 --> 02:34:50,875 for the survivors it took longer for them 3172 02:34:50,876 --> 02:34:52,905 to discover the tragic fate of their comrades. 3173 02:34:53,838 --> 02:34:56,011 - We went to five different hospitals, 3174 02:34:56,012 --> 02:34:58,164 so the doctor came in to my room 3175 02:34:58,165 --> 02:35:01,617 and he said, "Artimus, I hear you've been asking 3176 02:35:01,618 --> 02:35:02,709 "who made it." 3177 02:35:03,854 --> 02:35:04,946 And I said, "Yeah." 3178 02:35:06,519 --> 02:35:07,653 And he said, "Are you ready?" 3179 02:35:12,774 --> 02:35:13,481 I said, "Yeah." 3180 02:35:14,606 --> 02:35:18,036 And he said, "Ronnie, Ronnie Van Zant was killed." 3181 02:35:18,037 --> 02:35:21,900 And I said, "I know, I knew that." 3182 02:35:23,653 --> 02:35:27,824 And then when he said Steve and Cassie 3183 02:35:29,385 --> 02:35:32,181 you know, that really hit me. 3184 02:35:35,416 --> 02:35:36,422 That hit hard. 3185 02:35:37,483 --> 02:35:39,859 - I didn't hear anything until I got out of the hospital 3186 02:35:39,860 --> 02:35:41,148 a month later. 3187 02:35:41,149 --> 02:35:42,597 They didn't tell me Ronnie died or anything. 3188 02:35:42,598 --> 02:35:44,451 I was going, when I got out, I said, ""Kept me, 3189 02:35:44,452 --> 02:35:46,881 "let's go see Ronnie, go visit Ronnie, come on." 3190 02:35:46,882 --> 02:35:49,156 So he started driving me to Orange Park 3191 02:35:50,004 --> 02:35:52,730 and he pulled into the cemetery and I said, 3192 02:35:52,731 --> 02:35:53,727 "What the hell are y'all doing?" 3193 02:35:54,692 --> 02:35:56,418 And they said, "Taking you to visit Ronnie, 3194 02:35:56,419 --> 02:35:57,994 "he didn't make it." 3195 02:35:57,995 --> 02:36:00,014 And that was horrible. 3196 02:36:01,331 --> 02:36:03,109 That's when I realized he didn't make it 3197 02:36:03,110 --> 02:36:04,452 because they didn't tell me. 3198 02:36:04,453 --> 02:36:05,698 I guess they didn't want me to know 3199 02:36:05,699 --> 02:36:06,998 because my health was so banged up, 3200 02:36:06,999 --> 02:36:08,234 you know. 3201 02:36:08,235 --> 02:36:10,334 But it was a month later that I knew that he had died. 3202 02:36:10,335 --> 02:36:12,614 And whoever else, I didn't know. 3203 02:36:12,615 --> 02:36:14,378 I though everybody was fine. 3204 02:36:16,499 --> 02:36:18,363 - [Voiceover] The surviving members of Lynyrd Skynyrd 3205 02:36:18,364 --> 02:36:20,473 jointly decided to dissolve the band in the wake 3206 02:36:20,474 --> 02:36:21,666 of the tragedy. 3207 02:36:21,667 --> 02:36:23,999 And for a decade pursued various musical projects, 3208 02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:25,981 together and apart. 3209 02:36:25,982 --> 02:36:28,805 In 1987 however, they reunited to perform 3210 02:36:28,806 --> 02:36:31,501 a one off tribute tour 10 years after the fateful 3211 02:36:31,502 --> 02:36:33,728 accident bringing together former members 3212 02:36:33,729 --> 02:36:36,829 Gary Rossington, Billy Powell, Leon Wilkeson, 3213 02:36:36,830 --> 02:36:40,291 Artimus Pyle and Ed King alongside Ronnie VanZant's 3214 02:36:40,292 --> 02:36:42,860 younger brother Johnny on vocals and musical 3215 02:36:42,861 --> 02:36:45,385 director Allen Collins who was unable to play 3216 02:36:45,386 --> 02:36:47,175 with the band on stage having been left 3217 02:36:47,176 --> 02:36:49,402 permanently paralyzed by a car accident 3218 02:36:49,403 --> 02:36:50,516 the previous year. 3219 02:36:51,523 --> 02:36:54,367 So successful was this tour that the reconstituted 3220 02:36:54,368 --> 02:36:56,392 Skynyrd decided to remain together. 3221 02:36:56,393 --> 02:36:58,566 Although this has proven controversial 3222 02:36:58,567 --> 02:37:01,059 they have endured to the present day. 3223 02:37:01,060 --> 02:37:03,073 Albeit not with only one original member 3224 02:37:03,074 --> 02:37:04,656 guitarist Gary Rossington. 3225 02:37:05,770 --> 02:37:07,569 Yet despite releasing new material 3226 02:37:07,570 --> 02:37:09,647 and drawing large crowds to their shows 3227 02:37:09,648 --> 02:37:11,800 they have been dismissed by many as simply 3228 02:37:11,801 --> 02:37:13,132 a tribute band. 3229 02:37:13,133 --> 02:37:15,103 Ronnie Van Zant proving irreplaceable 3230 02:37:15,104 --> 02:37:17,330 even by his own brother. 3231 02:37:17,331 --> 02:37:18,216 - They suck. 3232 02:37:18,216 --> 02:37:19,094 Ithink they're awful. 3233 02:37:19,984 --> 02:37:22,482 I take a great interest in how bad they are. 3234 02:37:22,483 --> 02:37:24,997 I take a great interest in their Yahoo, right wing, 3235 02:37:24,998 --> 02:37:26,910 Fox News bullshit. 3236 02:37:27,800 --> 02:37:31,358 Lynyrd Skynyrd died with Ronnie Van Zant period 3237 02:37:31,359 --> 02:37:33,809 Is it possible for a reunion band with somebody 3238 02:37:33,810 --> 02:37:37,197 doing a Ronnie Van Zant imitation singing his songs 3239 02:37:37,198 --> 02:37:38,998 do a decent concert? 3240 02:37:38,999 --> 02:37:39,835 I suppose. 3241 02:37:40,875 --> 02:37:44,059 I'd rather listen to the records. 3242 02:37:44,060 --> 02:37:49,055 - They could never regroup that success without him. 3243 02:37:49,889 --> 02:37:53,799 He was the key factor to that band. 3244 02:37:53,800 --> 02:37:55,727 He wrote all the songs. 3245 02:37:55,728 --> 02:37:57,470 It'd take the authorship away 3246 02:37:58,371 --> 02:38:01,077 and it's something else entirely. 3247 02:38:01,078 --> 02:38:03,831 But you can make a lot of money. 3248 02:38:06,043 --> 02:38:08,109 And that's what they do. 3249 02:38:08,110 --> 02:38:13,105 ♪ I like a little bit of homegrown ♪ 3250 02:38:13,182 --> 02:38:17,198 ♪ She gets me stoned ♪ 3251 02:38:17,199 --> 02:38:20,617 ♪ Oh in her short dress - yeah I'm a mess ♪ 3252 02:38:20,618 --> 02:38:24,965 ♪ I like to get her all alone ♪ 3253 02:38:24,966 --> 02:38:28,972 ♪ She really turns me on ♪ 3254 02:38:28,973 --> 02:38:33,841 ♪ Yeah in her barefeet - sippin' sweet tea ♪ 3255 02:38:33,842 --> 02:38:38,679 ♪ A little Homegrown ♪ 3256 02:38:38,680 --> 02:38:40,629 ♪ A little Homegrown ♪ 3257 02:38:40,630 --> 02:38:43,410 - They are acutely aware of what kind 3258 02:38:43,411 --> 02:38:45,275 of dedicated fans they have. 3259 02:38:45,276 --> 02:38:47,278 They're very thankful for it 3260 02:38:47,279 --> 02:38:49,185 and don't from what I can see 3261 02:38:49,186 --> 02:38:50,959 they don't take it for granted one bit. 3262 02:38:51,808 --> 02:38:53,933 And when I've seen them in recent times 3263 02:38:54,781 --> 02:38:58,541 they go out there and want to give people 3264 02:38:58,542 --> 02:39:00,917 the best possible show. 3265 02:39:00,918 --> 02:39:03,079 We are gonna come out here and we are gonna rock 3266 02:39:03,080 --> 02:39:04,727 the crap out of this place. 3267 02:39:05,564 --> 02:39:07,278 And they do. 3268 02:39:07,279 --> 02:39:08,461 They do the whole thing. 3269 02:39:08,462 --> 02:39:09,590 They do the steps, 3270 02:39:09,591 --> 02:39:11,946 They all get together and they do the guitar moves 3271 02:39:11,947 --> 02:39:16,356 and they do the whole show and they are more than happy 3272 02:39:16,357 --> 02:39:19,585 to deliver that to the fans. 3273 02:39:19,586 --> 02:39:22,569 They want to put on a great show every night. 3274 02:39:22,570 --> 02:39:23,992 It's really important to them. 3275 02:39:25,414 --> 02:39:27,982 - [Voiceover] Despite the polarized opinion regarding 3276 02:39:27,983 --> 02:39:29,681 the second incarnation of the band and the various 3277 02:39:29,682 --> 02:39:32,132 private and public disputes that have since occured 3278 02:39:32,133 --> 02:39:34,360 among the survivors of the '77 crash. 3279 02:39:34,361 --> 02:39:37,758 The legacy of the first era of Lynyrd Skynyrd has remained 3280 02:39:37,759 --> 02:39:41,072 untarnished and although a wholly accurate account 3281 02:39:41,073 --> 02:39:44,280 of their years together for the mid '60s until the late '70s 3282 02:39:44,281 --> 02:39:47,519 will now never emerge due to the conflicting testimonies 3283 02:39:47,520 --> 02:39:49,266 of those who lived through it. 3284 02:39:49,267 --> 02:39:52,357 The music the band produced continues to find new listeners 3285 02:39:52,358 --> 02:39:55,947 and inspire a new generation of musicians and their departed 3286 02:39:55,948 --> 02:40:00,017 driving force, Ronnie Van Zant remains a remarkably singular 3287 02:40:00,018 --> 02:40:02,127 talent in the history of rock music. 3288 02:40:02,128 --> 02:40:05,484 His rugged no nonsense appeal still influential nearly 3289 02:40:05,485 --> 02:40:07,834 40 years after his tragic death. 3290 02:40:10,269 --> 02:40:13,433 - Ronnie Van Zant was a very unique front man. 3291 02:40:13,434 --> 02:40:17,823 He was incredibly dynamic without doing too much. 3292 02:40:17,824 --> 02:40:20,647 He basically walked around usually without shoes on. 3293 02:40:20,648 --> 02:40:23,481 Held his microphone in the air. 3294 02:40:23,482 --> 02:40:26,528 He was a commanding presence. 3295 02:40:26,529 --> 02:40:30,216 That element of being a lead singer and front man 3296 02:40:30,217 --> 02:40:33,497 is hard for anyone to copy and emulate 3297 02:40:33,498 --> 02:40:36,416 because it had to come from within. 3298 02:40:36,417 --> 02:40:39,380 I think as a singer Ronnie Van Zant has been 3299 02:40:39,381 --> 02:40:42,714 very influential especially on country artists 3300 02:40:42,715 --> 02:40:45,943 Country music has become more and more rocked up 3301 02:40:45,944 --> 02:40:48,990 and what we would have thought of in the mid '70s 3302 02:40:48,991 --> 02:40:51,984 as country-tinged rock has become rock-tinged 3303 02:40:51,985 --> 02:40:54,989 country and I think Ronnie Van Zant's influence 3304 02:40:54,990 --> 02:40:59,358 on Eric Church, Jason Alldeen and a whole generation 3305 02:40:59,359 --> 02:41:04,046 really of country singers is profound both vocally, 3306 02:41:04,047 --> 02:41:07,152 musically and in terms of stage presence and swagger. 3307 02:41:08,491 --> 02:41:11,185 - When music is new and it's fresh and you capture that 3308 02:41:11,186 --> 02:41:14,723 on record it's always gonna sound new and fresh. 3309 02:41:14,724 --> 02:41:18,383 Forever it will and it will probably be like the cliche 3310 02:41:18,384 --> 02:41:21,111 about fine wine, it gets better over time. 3311 02:41:21,112 --> 02:41:23,263 If it wasn't great music we wouldn't be talking about it. 3312 02:41:23,264 --> 02:41:28,259 They found a way to be a distinctive band 3313 02:41:28,624 --> 02:41:32,214 that has great music that people are gonna remember 3314 02:41:32,215 --> 02:41:34,398 those great songs forever. 3315 02:41:34,399 --> 02:41:35,816 - I don't think they'll ever be another 3316 02:41:35,817 --> 02:41:38,096 like Ronnie Van Zant in my opinion. 3317 02:41:38,097 --> 02:41:40,840 Man, everything that comes out of his mouth is meaningful. 3318 02:41:41,805 --> 02:41:43,946 You could tell he was telling about his life. 3319 02:41:43,947 --> 02:41:47,212 Everybody asks me what was Ronnie, what was he like? 3320 02:41:47,213 --> 02:41:50,227 I say, "You just take any six songs that Ronnie's written 3321 02:41:50,228 --> 02:41:53,216 "any six, you pick them, any six, that's him. 3322 02:41:54,074 --> 02:41:55,145 "That's his story." 3323 02:42:06,475 --> 02:42:08,366 (slow guitar music) 131288

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