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Your mother predicted
Natalie Wood's death?
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Yes!
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- What are you trying to do? **** my wife?
- What?
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There wouldn't be autopsies?
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Nope.
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I bought
the Kevorkian Deathmobile.
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Can you try to get
in the back of the van?
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Since I was a young boy,
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I've been collecting
haunted artifacts,
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drawn to the dark and mysterious
energy they carry.
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The Manson murders
will go down as
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one of the most heinous crimes
of all time.
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Through my career
as a paranormal investigator,
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I've been able
to build my collection.
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Now I'm building a museum...
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The Conjure Chest
is one of the deadliest
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- haunted artifacts in existence.
- Robert the Doll.
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He has affected
thousands of people.
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...and providing a place
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for people
to bring their haunted items
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and hear their stories.
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We aid people
into coming into the world.
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Why can't we aid them
in exiting the world?
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These are my deadly possessions.
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We are about to discuss
a very sad, a very mysterious,
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and a very famous story
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that is connected
to these objects.
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All these times
came from the Splendour yacht.
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In 1981,
Academy Award-nominated,
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Golden Globe-winning actress
Natalie Wood
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died mysteriously when she was
aboard the Splendour yacht.
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She was on the boat
with her husband, Robert Wagner,
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who played Number Two
in "Austin Powers,"
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actor Christopher Walken,
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and the boat's captain,
Dennis Davern.
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With so many
unanswered questions
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about her death that night,
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there's a lot
of paranormal activity
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that is attached
to these objects.
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We are about to welcome
Ron Nelson,
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the current owner
of the Splendour yacht --
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the same yacht
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that Natalie Wood
mysteriously died on.
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My name is Ron Nelson.
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I'm here in Hawaii,
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standing in front
of my vessel, Splendour.
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Zak asked
if I could bring up some objects
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from the vessel to his museum,
so he could examine them and see
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if there's any paranormal
activity involved with them.
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I'm not sure if I believe in
ghosts and spirits,
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but with the strange things
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that have happened
aboard Splendour,
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I certainly don't discount
the possibility.
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Ron has agreed
to bring several items
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from the original
Splendour yacht to my museum,
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including the steering wheel,
radar, and life preservers.
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Because of
the strange experiences
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Ron has had aboard the yacht
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and the mystery surrounding
Natalie Wood's death,
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I want to see
if these specific objects
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have any residual energy
connected to them.
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Ron Nelson, tell me who you are
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and what you have to do
with the Splendour yacht
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and these items.
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I have owned Splendour
for about, 30 years --
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about five or six years
after the death of Natalie Wood.
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Very, very famous case,
very famous person.
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Even to this day,
people still are curious
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about what happened that night
and the mystery of her death.
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Yeah, you say that, and in 2011,
they reopened the case,
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because the captain,
Dennis Davern,
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actually stated some things
in his book.
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Nine months later,
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the chief medical examiner
changed her death certificate
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from "drowning" to "drowning
with undetermined factors."
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And I know
that there were some bruises
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and stuff like that
on Natalie Wood,
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and they were unable
to determine
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if she suffered those before
or after she got off the boat.
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With a lot of unanswered
questions with this case
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and a death attached to it,
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there's going to be what
I believe an unrested soul --
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that of Natalie Wood.
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Natalie Wood's body
was discovered
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in the water
near the Splendour yacht
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and close to the boat's dinghy,
named The Valiant.
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Do you believe in ghosts?
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I won't say I believe in ghosts,
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but I won't say I don't believe
in ghosts, you know, 'cause...
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Because of what?
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Like I say, strange occurrences.
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Who sold it to you?
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I bought it at an auction
from a doctor,
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and I used to go back and forth
from Hawaii to California
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to fix it up.
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One day,
I was working on the boat,
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and I was finished
for the night,
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and the phone started ringing
on the boat.
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I'm going,
"Who would call me?"
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The phone was
down in Natalie's bedroom.
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I stepped on the bottom stairs,
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and it felt like
someone grabbed my ankles.
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What?
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And I went through the floor
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and hit one of the studs
on my shin.
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Then the phone stopped ringing,
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soon as I went through the floor
to the bottom of the boat.
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Dang. You're giving me
chills now.
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I had 40 stitches in my shin,
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and the scar's
in the shape of a "V."
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Wasn't the dinghy named Valiant?
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- Yes, it was.
- It was, wasn't it?
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So, you connected that to that.
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Yes, it was.
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That's crazy.
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The dinghy named Valiant
was missing from the Splendour
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when Natalie Wood's body
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was found
floating facedown in the ocean.
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Could this be a clue
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in the mysterious death
of Natalie Wood?
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So, you believe
that she did that to you?
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If I believed in ghosts,
I would.
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Well, it's starting to sound
like you are, Ron.
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I've been hurt.
I'm not gonna argue with her.
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Maybe she just
wants me to remember her,
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so she put a scar on me.
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Maybe that night,
when she did drown --
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and, you know,
we don't know how --
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maybe her spirit came back
to the boat -- to the yacht.
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I believe that Natalie Wood
is at unrest.
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She knows what happened.
We don't.
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I can't help but think
that Natalie lingers here,
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waiting for her story
to be told --
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perhaps even attached
to these very objects.
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I need to speak to
one of the only three survivors
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of that night
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who can fully confirm
the origins of these items --
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ship captain Dennis Davern.
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How's it feel
to look at that stuff?
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Yeah, it's kind of, um...
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It's kind of weird
looking at it.
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You know, that steering wheel
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was there all the time
in front of me.
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When's the last time
you saw this stuff?
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Almost two years ago.
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I went to Hawaii and...
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Wait -- Is that
when they reopened the case?
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That's when
they reopened the case,
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and I went to Hawaii with
two L.A. homicide detectives.
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Dennis, did they reopen the case
because of you?
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Not because of me.
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I think it was so they could
continue the investigation.
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Dennis, you were on board
that night.
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Yes, I was.
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The four of us -- myself...
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Christopher Walken --
Actor Christopher Walken,
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Robert Wagner, Natalie Wood,
and yourself.
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We had returned to the boat
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after dinner and some drinks
and stuff like that.
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Was everybody pretty drunk
at that time?
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Yes. Yeah.
Very drunk.
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Everybody gets drunk,
there's one woman...
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Yeah, things change.
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Do you think
that Christopher Walken was...
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...hitting on Natalie?
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No. I don't think
he was really hitting on her.
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But the way Robert Wagner saw it
in his eyes, he was.
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The anger was just --
It was just incredible.
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It was horrible.
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Did you hear him say something
in that argument?
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The one main sentence
in his anger to Christopher was,
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"What are you trying to do?
**** my wife?"
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And after that, everything
that was said after that was...
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He picked up a bottle of wine
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and smashed it on the table...
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...the glass
shattering all over.
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So there was a lot of anger.
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God, it was horrible.
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When that took place,
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Christopher decided
to go to his room,
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and Natalie went to her room.
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Robert Wagner followed.
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The fighting continued
in the stateroom.
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I mean, it was, like,
things being thrown around --
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just a horrible,
horrible physical fight.
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There were so many loud noises.
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And I had two beeswax candles
that were on the table.
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I had one of the candles lit,
and it shows how long
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the arguing was
before her death.
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Do you think
if you went in there
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and tried to calm down
the situation,
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you would've been hurt?
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He told me to go away
when I knocked on the door,
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so I walked up on the bridge,
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and then
when everything became silent,
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I thought, "I need to go down
and check what's going on."
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He told me,
"Natalie's missing."
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He says,
"Could you check the boat?
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Could you check to see if she's
anywhere else on the boat?"
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I thought,
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"Well, maybe just let me check
Christopher's stateroom."
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I opened the door --
Christopher was asleep.
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Whether he was really asleep,
I don't know,
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but he was asleep.
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And I came back
and I told Robert Wagner,
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I said, "She's not on this boat.
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We need to turn on
the searchlight.
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We need to notify people.
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We need to find her."
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So, your mother
predicted Natalie's death?
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Yes!
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I've been speaking
to Dennis Davern
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about the night
that Natalie Wood disappeared
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on the very yacht
that he was the captain of.
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What time of night was this?
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11:00-something at night.
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He said,
"Let's have a drink."
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I felt like
I was just getting --
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made to drink
more and more and more,
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and finally,
after a long time...
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we notified the people ashore.
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And then the police did
a helicopter search at daybreak.
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And then
they discovered her body.
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How do you know
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that Natalie Wood
didn't just get angry
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and try to take the dinghy
back to shore?
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Well, number one,
she would've called me and said,
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"Dennis, could you
move the boat?"
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And that's my job.
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So she wouldn't have done that.
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You know, when we're drunk,
we make bad decisions.
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Do you ever think Natalie Wood
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just got so fed up
of this stuff?
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Absolutely not.
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She wasn't...
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She wasn't that drunk,
and even if she was,
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I guarantee
she wouldn't even attempt...
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...to do anything
with the dinghy.
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Absolutely not.
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She was deathly afraid of water.
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Terrified of the water.
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A woman terrified of the water
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is found floating in it
under mysterious circumstances.
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This is too bizarre.
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I feel like I need to know more
about who Natalie was
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and the root of her fear.
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To do that, I will speak
to her sister, Lana Wood,
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who is here to share
intimate details about Natalie.
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I want to ask you
some questions,
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but if there's any
that you don't want to answer,
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anything like that,
just let me know.
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Okay.
253
00:13:02,292 --> 00:13:04,628
These are some objects
from the...
254
00:13:04,629 --> 00:13:05,863
Yes, they are. Wow.
255
00:13:05,864 --> 00:13:07,297
...from the yacht.
256
00:13:07,298 --> 00:13:09,034
Wow.
257
00:13:11,170 --> 00:13:15,474
They were brought here from Ron.
258
00:13:15,475 --> 00:13:16,742
Yeah.
259
00:13:16,743 --> 00:13:19,713
Do you believe that your sister,
260
00:13:19,714 --> 00:13:22,015
her spirit is not at rest?
261
00:13:22,016 --> 00:13:26,487
And has she ever made contact
with you, Lana?
262
00:13:26,488 --> 00:13:28,756
I- I don't...
263
00:13:28,757 --> 00:13:30,157
I don't really know.
264
00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:32,194
I don't know
whether she's at rest or not.
265
00:13:32,195 --> 00:13:34,497
I think she's trying to be.
266
00:13:34,498 --> 00:13:36,432
Um...
267
00:13:36,433 --> 00:13:39,904
She was a very, very concerned,
very loving mother
268
00:13:39,905 --> 00:13:41,839
and was very worried
about her girls.
269
00:13:43,441 --> 00:13:46,578
One time, when I was in my home,
270
00:13:46,579 --> 00:13:52,553
I saw white,
but diaphanous white, moving.
271
00:13:54,989 --> 00:13:56,990
And I thought,
"What on Earth is that?
272
00:13:56,991 --> 00:13:59,961
Maybe condensation
from the air conditioner."
273
00:13:59,962 --> 00:14:00,897
Like a mist?
274
00:14:00,898 --> 00:14:02,598
Yeah, but moving.
Yeah.
275
00:14:04,701 --> 00:14:06,869
Yeah, I don't think
I've ever seen a heater
276
00:14:06,870 --> 00:14:11,341
or air conditioner
cause visible mist before.
277
00:14:11,342 --> 00:14:12,710
- No.
- Did you feel anything?
278
00:14:12,713 --> 00:14:14,512
- Obviously, that wasn't it.
- Right.
279
00:14:14,515 --> 00:14:17,047
It was unnerving to me,
280
00:14:17,049 --> 00:14:23,622
and I actually said,
"I don't know why you're here,
281
00:14:23,623 --> 00:14:25,992
but I can't deal with you
right now.
282
00:14:25,993 --> 00:14:28,227
Please go.
Rest in peace.
283
00:14:28,228 --> 00:14:31,031
Please leave.
I don't want you here."
284
00:14:31,032 --> 00:14:33,233
And I never saw it again.
Never.
285
00:14:33,234 --> 00:14:34,368
I didn't feel
286
00:14:34,369 --> 00:14:38,606
that it was threatening
or anything frightening.
287
00:14:38,607 --> 00:14:40,409
It doesn't really bother me.
288
00:14:40,410 --> 00:14:44,080
And I would welcome it now.
289
00:14:44,081 --> 00:14:46,817
Scared me before,
but it doesn't anymore.
290
00:14:50,823 --> 00:14:55,996
Natalie drowning or...
291
00:14:58,498 --> 00:15:02,669
...ending up
in the water...
292
00:15:02,670 --> 00:15:04,972
in itself is completely bizarre,
293
00:15:04,973 --> 00:15:08,176
because she was
terrified of water,
294
00:15:08,177 --> 00:15:11,747
going back to when I was a kid.
295
00:15:11,748 --> 00:15:15,017
Our mother
was rather superstitious.
296
00:15:15,018 --> 00:15:17,854
She used to always tell
Natalie and I both
297
00:15:17,855 --> 00:15:20,324
that in China,
a gypsy woman told her
298
00:15:20,325 --> 00:15:23,894
that she was going to have
two daughters,
299
00:15:23,895 --> 00:15:25,197
that she saw fame,
300
00:15:25,198 --> 00:15:27,799
there was gonna be
a great deal of fame,
301
00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,203
but they said there would
a loss through drowning.
302
00:15:31,204 --> 00:15:33,073
- What?
- Yeah.
303
00:15:33,076 --> 00:15:35,742
And she had been
telling me that story --
304
00:15:35,743 --> 00:15:38,645
Who told --
told your mother this?
305
00:15:38,646 --> 00:15:39,881
Yes!
306
00:15:41,150 --> 00:15:43,250
Your mother told you and Natalie
307
00:15:43,251 --> 00:15:46,188
there would be a loss
from drowning in your family?
308
00:15:46,189 --> 00:15:47,790
Yes.
309
00:15:47,791 --> 00:15:51,194
So your mother predicted
Natalie's death?
310
00:15:51,195 --> 00:15:52,129
Yes.
311
00:15:59,605 --> 00:16:03,441
Can I ask you
what you believe happened
312
00:16:03,442 --> 00:16:06,012
to your sister that evening?
313
00:16:09,282 --> 00:16:11,484
Alcohol...
314
00:16:11,486 --> 00:16:13,787
anger...
315
00:16:13,788 --> 00:16:15,857
I don't believe for an instant
316
00:16:15,858 --> 00:16:20,763
that anything
was done purposely.
317
00:16:29,540 --> 00:16:31,642
I don't think she's at rest yet.
318
00:16:33,712 --> 00:16:36,181
Too many things have happened.
319
00:16:36,182 --> 00:16:37,784
What kind of things?
320
00:16:39,252 --> 00:16:44,123
I've had this clock for years,
321
00:16:44,124 --> 00:16:45,559
and it never worked.
322
00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,194
A clock that she gave you?
323
00:16:47,195 --> 00:16:48,829
Yeah.
324
00:16:48,830 --> 00:16:50,933
About a month ago...
325
00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:57,273
...the clock starts to chime
all by itself.
326
00:16:57,274 --> 00:16:58,776
What?
327
00:17:00,710 --> 00:17:01,845
After years?
328
00:17:01,846 --> 00:17:03,914
I just couldn't figure out
329
00:17:03,915 --> 00:17:06,184
why that clock
would just start again.
330
00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,261
Okay,
there's one other thing, Zak,
331
00:17:15,262 --> 00:17:16,864
that you might be interested in.
332
00:17:16,865 --> 00:17:19,400
The Hawaiian people are
very into their culture...
333
00:17:19,401 --> 00:17:20,768
- Very spiritual.
- Yes.
334
00:17:20,771 --> 00:17:22,203
And I had a kahuna --
335
00:17:22,204 --> 00:17:24,106
They call them kahunas
in Hawaii.
336
00:17:25,741 --> 00:17:27,342
Like a Hawaiian priest.
337
00:17:27,343 --> 00:17:30,312
We flew him up
to bless Splendour.
338
00:17:30,313 --> 00:17:33,850
Wait -- Why would you
have this kahuna
339
00:17:33,851 --> 00:17:37,889
come to the Splendour
and have him bless it
340
00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:39,657
if you don't believe in ghosts?
341
00:17:39,658 --> 00:17:40,924
Maybe I believe a little bit.
342
00:17:40,925 --> 00:17:42,928
Okay, we're getting
somewhere now.
343
00:17:42,929 --> 00:17:45,197
I picked him up at the airport.
344
00:17:45,198 --> 00:17:48,167
He's about the size
of a football player,
345
00:17:48,168 --> 00:17:50,136
sunglasses, and I can see tears
346
00:17:50,137 --> 00:17:53,306
coming down his cheek
through the sunglasses.
347
00:17:53,307 --> 00:17:54,742
- He was crying.
- Really?
348
00:17:55,911 --> 00:17:57,879
He says,
"There's so much sadness here."
349
00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,783
He says, "I'm having
a hard time with it."
350
00:18:01,784 --> 00:18:04,586
So he believed that there was
also bad spirits on the boat...
351
00:18:04,587 --> 00:18:05,888
Yes.
352
00:18:05,889 --> 00:18:08,191
...from the moment, maybe,
of her death.
353
00:18:08,192 --> 00:18:09,626
After he blessed it,
354
00:18:09,627 --> 00:18:13,664
we went up
to the very top of the boat.
355
00:18:13,665 --> 00:18:16,100
He says,
"The bad spirits are gone.
356
00:18:16,101 --> 00:18:19,471
It's time for you to make
the good spirits welcome here."
357
00:18:19,472 --> 00:18:22,208
And when he said that,
it was like you walked into
358
00:18:22,209 --> 00:18:24,310
an air-conditioned,
ice-cold room.
359
00:18:24,311 --> 00:18:25,245
I've experienced that.
360
00:18:25,246 --> 00:18:26,947
- Yeah, you have?
- I know. I know.
361
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:28,482
It's a beautiful moment, though.
362
00:18:28,483 --> 00:18:29,884
- It is.
- It's surreal.
363
00:18:29,887 --> 00:18:32,554
You were talking about
her using other elements.
364
00:18:32,555 --> 00:18:34,322
That was --
365
00:18:34,323 --> 00:18:35,924
See? I am.
366
00:18:35,925 --> 00:18:37,593
That was a real thing.
367
00:18:37,594 --> 00:18:39,695
So that marked you, that moment?
368
00:18:39,696 --> 00:18:41,064
Yeah, I'll never forget that,
369
00:18:41,065 --> 00:18:43,667
and the feeling
about how quickly it changed.
370
00:18:43,668 --> 00:18:45,669
It wasn't like a wind came up.
371
00:18:45,670 --> 00:18:47,204
It was the atmosphere --
372
00:18:47,205 --> 00:18:50,676
hot and humid
to crisp, cold air.
373
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,689
How do you feel
about these objects?
374
00:19:01,690 --> 00:19:03,057
You want to stand up and...
375
00:19:03,058 --> 00:19:05,594
- Yes. I would.
- This is the actual wheel, and...
376
00:19:08,898 --> 00:19:12,301
I don't want to go near
the life preserver.
377
00:19:15,205 --> 00:19:17,074
She could've been saved.
378
00:19:20,078 --> 00:19:22,113
It's mixed-feeling, these items,
379
00:19:22,114 --> 00:19:26,284
'cause she did have
good memories there, as well,
380
00:19:26,285 --> 00:19:28,688
but, um...
381
00:19:28,689 --> 00:19:31,090
there's isn't any happiness now.
382
00:19:31,091 --> 00:19:32,326
Right.
383
00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:38,900
Thank you.
384
00:19:38,901 --> 00:19:40,837
Thank you.
385
00:19:42,105 --> 00:19:44,306
These were on the coffee table
386
00:19:44,307 --> 00:19:47,110
the last night
of Natalie's life.
387
00:19:54,725 --> 00:19:56,825
There were
a pair of beeswax candles
388
00:19:56,826 --> 00:19:59,629
on the coffee table
aboard the Splendour yacht
389
00:19:59,630 --> 00:20:01,464
the night
Natalie Wood disappeared.
390
00:20:01,465 --> 00:20:03,701
Two beeswax candles
that were on the table.
391
00:20:03,702 --> 00:20:05,837
I had one of the candles lit,
392
00:20:05,838 --> 00:20:10,309
and it shows
how long the arguing was
393
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:11,910
before her death.
394
00:20:11,911 --> 00:20:13,980
The ship's captain,
Dennis Davern,
395
00:20:13,981 --> 00:20:15,382
lit one of the candles
396
00:20:15,383 --> 00:20:18,686
when the argument between
Robert and Natalie began.
397
00:20:18,687 --> 00:20:22,857
So, the amount of time
the argument started
398
00:20:22,858 --> 00:20:26,862
till her death
was that amount of time.
399
00:20:26,863 --> 00:20:29,699
He's held on to them
for over three decades
400
00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:32,301
as a reminder
of this tragic event.
401
00:20:32,302 --> 00:20:36,273
I would like
to show Lana Wood them.
402
00:20:36,274 --> 00:20:39,044
Have you ever
showed these objects to her?
403
00:20:39,045 --> 00:20:40,880
- No, I haven't.
- Okay.
404
00:20:40,883 --> 00:20:42,981
Do you think
that you would like to share
405
00:20:42,982 --> 00:20:44,851
and show her the candles?
406
00:20:48,255 --> 00:20:51,058
It's fine with me,
if it's okay with her.
407
00:20:51,059 --> 00:20:53,360
I want Dennis
to share these candles
408
00:20:53,361 --> 00:20:54,862
and their story with Lana
409
00:20:54,863 --> 00:20:57,532
in hopes of giving her
some emotional closure
410
00:20:57,533 --> 00:21:00,236
about her sister, Natalie Wood.
411
00:21:00,237 --> 00:21:03,272
I was wondering
if you wanted to see them.
412
00:21:03,273 --> 00:21:04,941
Yes, I would like to, actually.
413
00:21:04,942 --> 00:21:06,309
- You would? Okay.
- Yes. I would.
414
00:21:06,312 --> 00:21:08,011
I just wanted to ask you first,
415
00:21:08,012 --> 00:21:09,814
and he wanted me
to ask you first.
416
00:21:12,050 --> 00:21:13,118
Lana, have a seat.
417
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,186
Okay.
418
00:21:16,489 --> 00:21:18,323
Dennis, it's okay.
419
00:21:18,324 --> 00:21:22,428
And I'd like for you
to show Lana
420
00:21:22,429 --> 00:21:23,930
what these objects are.
421
00:21:23,931 --> 00:21:25,333
- Okay.
- Okay?
422
00:21:25,336 --> 00:21:26,534
- Lana.
- Yeah.
423
00:21:26,537 --> 00:21:28,202
These...
424
00:21:28,203 --> 00:21:31,138
You know Natalie liked
beeswax candles.
425
00:21:31,139 --> 00:21:32,441
Yes.
426
00:21:32,442 --> 00:21:36,112
Well, these were
on the coffee table
427
00:21:36,113 --> 00:21:39,315
the last night of her life,
428
00:21:39,316 --> 00:21:42,753
when the wine bottle
smashing on that table.
429
00:21:42,754 --> 00:21:45,189
These candles
were in the candle holders,
430
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:47,591
and when we returned to the boat
431
00:21:47,592 --> 00:21:49,928
from the restaurant
that evening,
432
00:21:49,929 --> 00:21:53,031
from when the fight began,
this candle here was lit.
433
00:21:53,032 --> 00:21:54,701
I didn't light this candle.
434
00:21:54,702 --> 00:21:57,971
But from this time,
435
00:21:57,972 --> 00:22:00,074
that's from the beginning
of the fight
436
00:22:00,075 --> 00:22:01,427
to the end of Natalie's life.
437
00:22:01,428 --> 00:22:02,778
Wow.
438
00:22:14,959 --> 00:22:16,226
When did you --
439
00:22:16,227 --> 00:22:19,964
Did you take these the next day,
440
00:22:19,965 --> 00:22:22,300
or when did you
take the candles?
441
00:22:22,301 --> 00:22:26,038
It took me at least three months
to even go down to the boat,
442
00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:30,477
because I just couldn't
get myself to go there.
443
00:22:30,478 --> 00:22:33,780
But I started taking
everything off the boat,
444
00:22:33,781 --> 00:22:36,751
and that's when I took those.
445
00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:39,788
And they meant something to me.
446
00:22:39,789 --> 00:22:40,924
Absolutely.
447
00:22:44,929 --> 00:22:46,864
Natalie loved candles.
448
00:22:48,132 --> 00:22:50,234
I just wanted him
to show you these...
449
00:22:50,235 --> 00:22:51,520
Thank you.
450
00:22:51,521 --> 00:22:52,803
...just so
you could see them.
451
00:22:52,804 --> 00:22:53,804
I think it's important.
452
00:22:55,341 --> 00:22:57,342
I do, too.
453
00:22:57,343 --> 00:22:59,178
- Thank you, Dennis.
- You're welcome.
454
00:22:59,181 --> 00:23:01,213
Thank you for everything.
455
00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:02,782
You're welcome, too.
456
00:23:02,783 --> 00:23:05,051
Yeah. Thank you both
for coming here.
457
00:23:05,052 --> 00:23:07,289
I really appreciate it, okay?
458
00:23:10,526 --> 00:23:13,494
This story and these interviews
have inspired me
459
00:23:13,495 --> 00:23:18,400
to dedicate a room of my museum
to the memory of Natalie Wood.
460
00:23:18,401 --> 00:23:19,936
I will make it my mission
461
00:23:19,937 --> 00:23:22,238
to continue
reaching out to her spirit
462
00:23:22,239 --> 00:23:26,244
so that one day,
I truly hope she can find peace.
463
00:23:33,286 --> 00:23:37,390
A short time ago,
I bought an object,
464
00:23:37,391 --> 00:23:42,263
and when I bought this object,
it made the news.
465
00:23:42,264 --> 00:23:45,968
I bought
the Jack Kevorkian Deathmobile.
466
00:23:48,170 --> 00:23:52,175
And we had to
actually demo a wall
467
00:23:52,176 --> 00:23:56,413
to get it into this room,
so right now,
468
00:23:56,414 --> 00:24:00,285
the van is just sitting
in that room over there.
469
00:24:02,955 --> 00:24:09,629
And Jack Kevorkian's attorney,
Geoffrey Fieger,
470
00:24:09,630 --> 00:24:12,599
is about to arrive.
471
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,770
Geoffrey Fieger, at first,
472
00:24:16,771 --> 00:24:21,176
said that he didn't believe
that the van still existed,
473
00:24:21,177 --> 00:24:25,448
but I don't think that he's sure
that it was demolished.
474
00:24:27,017 --> 00:24:30,520
So he took
a last-minute flight here
475
00:24:30,522 --> 00:24:32,957
to sit down to talk with me,
476
00:24:32,958 --> 00:24:36,795
and we're gonna settle this
once and for all.
477
00:24:36,796 --> 00:24:38,296
Got lost there?
478
00:24:38,297 --> 00:24:39,431
Yeah. Boo.
479
00:24:39,432 --> 00:24:42,534
Many twists and turns
in this place.
480
00:24:42,535 --> 00:24:46,573
Geoffrey Fieger, you were
Jack Kevorkian's attorney
481
00:24:46,574 --> 00:24:48,442
for a number of years.
482
00:24:48,443 --> 00:24:49,710
- About 10.
- 10 years?
483
00:24:49,713 --> 00:24:51,446
That's right.
484
00:24:54,885 --> 00:24:57,953
I need to know
if this van is possessed.
485
00:24:57,954 --> 00:25:00,657
While my crew finishes
putting it in the museum
486
00:25:00,658 --> 00:25:02,225
for us to investigate later,
487
00:25:02,226 --> 00:25:04,261
I want to hear more
about its history
488
00:25:04,262 --> 00:25:08,132
from someone
who experienced it firsthand.
489
00:25:08,133 --> 00:25:09,733
Geoffrey,
do you believe in ghosts?
490
00:25:09,734 --> 00:25:11,203
Do you believe
in the spirit world?
491
00:25:11,204 --> 00:25:13,872
No, but I'd love
to have evidence of that.
492
00:25:13,873 --> 00:25:15,241
Everybody would, wouldn't they?
493
00:25:15,242 --> 00:25:17,444
Kevorkian thought this was it --
494
00:25:17,445 --> 00:25:20,147
You make what you make
out of what you have.
495
00:25:20,148 --> 00:25:24,385
Dr. Kevorkian was persecuted
by the courts in the 1990s
496
00:25:24,386 --> 00:25:28,156
for assisting
with at least 130 suicides.
497
00:25:28,157 --> 00:25:31,860
Geoffrey Fieger repeatedly
cleared his name in that time.
498
00:25:31,861 --> 00:25:33,295
You got him out of a lot.
499
00:25:33,296 --> 00:25:34,497
Yeah, until the end,
500
00:25:34,498 --> 00:25:36,667
when he decided
her wanted to represent himself.
501
00:25:37,802 --> 00:25:40,972
In 1999, he was charged with,
502
00:25:40,973 --> 00:25:43,007
I believe,
second-degree homicide,
503
00:25:43,008 --> 00:25:45,075
sentenced to 20 to 25 years
in prison.
504
00:25:45,076 --> 00:25:46,412
He only served eight.
505
00:25:46,413 --> 00:25:48,080
Which was absurd.
506
00:25:48,081 --> 00:25:54,954
He no more killed that patient
than hospice kills patients
507
00:25:54,955 --> 00:25:57,292
when they give them
unlimited amounts of morphine,
508
00:25:57,293 --> 00:25:59,762
which you can do today
because of Kevorkian.
509
00:26:05,603 --> 00:26:08,471
So, this van that I acquired --
510
00:26:08,472 --> 00:26:10,606
I know that when we were
speaking with you,
511
00:26:10,608 --> 00:26:13,109
trying to get you out here
to do an interview,
512
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:16,448
you didn't believe that it was
Jack Kevorkian's van.
513
00:26:16,449 --> 00:26:18,483
I heard a little radio show
that you did.
514
00:26:18,484 --> 00:26:20,485
I don't think it's his microbus.
515
00:26:20,486 --> 00:26:24,590
We knew that there was a danger
that sometime in the future,
516
00:26:24,591 --> 00:26:27,160
someone would want to make
a profit off of this van,
517
00:26:27,161 --> 00:26:30,197
so we took it to this junkyard.
518
00:26:30,198 --> 00:26:33,635
We had it crushed
into a metal ball.
519
00:26:33,636 --> 00:26:36,972
It was always my belief
that that van had been destroyed
520
00:26:36,973 --> 00:26:38,974
as a result
of us paying the guy.
521
00:26:38,975 --> 00:26:40,743
But you never saw it destroyed.
522
00:26:40,744 --> 00:26:42,746
I never did,
and neither did Kevorkian.
523
00:26:42,747 --> 00:26:44,147
Okay.
524
00:26:44,148 --> 00:26:47,151
I took the steering wheel
and the hubcaps,
525
00:26:47,152 --> 00:26:49,019
and I still have those
in my office,
526
00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:52,257
so that's why
I always was very suspicious
527
00:26:52,258 --> 00:26:55,761
that somebody said they were
selling Kevorkian's van.
528
00:26:56,997 --> 00:27:00,199
And your staff
subsequently has shown me
529
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,371
pretty irrefutable evidence
in terms of pictures taken
530
00:27:04,372 --> 00:27:06,708
by the Oakland County
Sheriff's Department
531
00:27:06,709 --> 00:27:09,044
when Janet Adkins died
532
00:27:09,045 --> 00:27:15,551
and which are identical
to dents and creases in the van,
533
00:27:15,552 --> 00:27:19,689
and I don't think anybody
could have contemplated that.
534
00:27:19,690 --> 00:27:23,260
It's just impossible to do.
535
00:27:23,261 --> 00:27:26,031
In history,
that van will be valuable
536
00:27:26,032 --> 00:27:29,902
not because of its macabre,
but because it's so important
537
00:27:29,903 --> 00:27:32,939
in terms of medical advancement
of assisted suicide.
538
00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:34,207
Part of medical history.
539
00:27:34,208 --> 00:27:36,476
That van
will be considered important.
540
00:27:36,477 --> 00:27:37,945
In fact, that van --
541
00:27:37,946 --> 00:27:41,083
you'll find that the Smithsonian
would want that van.
542
00:27:45,421 --> 00:27:49,892
130-- That's the number
that there is to the public.
543
00:27:49,893 --> 00:27:52,696
There were a lot more --
well over 200.
544
00:27:52,697 --> 00:27:54,097
He was doing them in the van.
545
00:27:54,098 --> 00:27:56,368
Janet Adkins wasn't
the only one in the van.
546
00:27:56,369 --> 00:27:58,738
He was doing the assisted
suicides in the van?
547
00:27:59,805 --> 00:28:01,586
- There wouldn't be autopsies?
- Nope.
548
00:28:01,743 --> 00:28:04,346
I guess he overdosed on pills.
549
00:28:12,323 --> 00:28:14,290
I'm speaking
with Geoffrey Fieger,
550
00:28:14,291 --> 00:28:16,594
Jack Kevorkian's
former attorney,
551
00:28:16,595 --> 00:28:20,766
about the van Kevorkian used
to perform assisted suicides.
552
00:28:20,767 --> 00:28:25,203
130-- That's the number
that there is to the public.
553
00:28:25,205 --> 00:28:27,707
There were a lot more --
well over 200.
554
00:28:27,708 --> 00:28:29,342
He was doing them in the van.
555
00:28:29,343 --> 00:28:31,646
Janet Adkins wasn't
the only one in the van.
556
00:28:31,647 --> 00:28:34,014
He was doing the assisted
suicides in the van?
557
00:28:34,015 --> 00:28:36,984
Yeah. There was one where
we were traveling behind --
558
00:28:36,985 --> 00:28:39,889
Pretty funny story, actually.
559
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:43,226
The gentleman was quite tall.
560
00:28:44,427 --> 00:28:47,831
He couldn't fit in the van,
so his feet were out the window.
561
00:28:47,832 --> 00:28:48,733
My...
562
00:28:48,734 --> 00:28:49,934
And Jack was assisting.
563
00:28:49,935 --> 00:28:51,369
We were following,
564
00:28:51,370 --> 00:28:54,239
and you could see the guy's feet
outside the van
565
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,708
while somebody else
was driving the van.
566
00:28:56,709 --> 00:28:58,176
My...
567
00:28:58,177 --> 00:28:59,780
That story's never been told.
568
00:29:01,949 --> 00:29:06,187
How many different people
do you think died in the van?
569
00:29:06,188 --> 00:29:09,290
The only one you know of
is Janet Adkins.
570
00:29:09,291 --> 00:29:11,260
Janet Adkins was the first.
571
00:29:13,362 --> 00:29:16,198
Janet Adkins
was the first patient
572
00:29:16,199 --> 00:29:19,101
that Dr. Kevorkian
helped euthanize
573
00:29:19,102 --> 00:29:21,205
in the van that I now own.
574
00:29:21,206 --> 00:29:23,574
Could any of these patients'
residual energy
575
00:29:23,575 --> 00:29:25,744
still be present in the van?
576
00:29:25,745 --> 00:29:27,412
That's the one that you know of.
577
00:29:27,413 --> 00:29:28,680
I know of others, yeah.
578
00:29:28,681 --> 00:29:30,650
Others?
We'll just say "others"?
579
00:29:30,651 --> 00:29:31,685
I know of others.
580
00:29:33,887 --> 00:29:37,891
After Janet Adkins,
the police took the van.
581
00:29:37,892 --> 00:29:39,726
I got that van back.
582
00:29:39,727 --> 00:29:43,531
He never again
left anyone in that van,
583
00:29:43,532 --> 00:29:45,734
because the police
would've taken the van again.
584
00:29:45,735 --> 00:29:48,839
Where would they go? Where would
he take these bodies?
585
00:29:50,274 --> 00:29:52,441
There were hotels.
586
00:29:52,442 --> 00:29:55,245
There were various places.
587
00:29:55,246 --> 00:29:58,450
He was living in a home
that I owned on a lake.
588
00:29:59,684 --> 00:30:01,954
So Jack Kevorkian
was doing assisted suicides
589
00:30:01,955 --> 00:30:03,288
at your house?
590
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:05,124
Not my house, but a house I own.
591
00:30:05,125 --> 00:30:06,325
Okay.
592
00:30:06,326 --> 00:30:09,429
But, I mean,
Kevorkian got smart.
593
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:13,167
Unless Jack told them
that he had assisted,
594
00:30:13,168 --> 00:30:14,968
the police never knew.
595
00:30:14,969 --> 00:30:16,470
These were sick people.
596
00:30:16,472 --> 00:30:19,908
This isn't like they found
young, healthy people dead.
597
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:21,177
You're talking about people
598
00:30:21,178 --> 00:30:22,644
who had been sick
for a very long time.
599
00:30:22,645 --> 00:30:24,348
- So, there wouldn't be autopsies?
- Nope.
600
00:30:28,853 --> 00:30:33,157
So, when is the last time
you saw the van that I now own?
601
00:30:33,158 --> 00:30:35,126
When we took it to the junkyard.
602
00:30:35,127 --> 00:30:37,430
When you took it to the junkyard.
603
00:30:38,898 --> 00:30:41,767
I have the title, too,
with Jack's signature on it.
604
00:30:41,769 --> 00:30:44,271
Here's the title
that came with it.
605
00:30:44,272 --> 00:30:46,273
Where's his signature?
On the back?
606
00:30:46,274 --> 00:30:47,474
On the back.
607
00:30:47,475 --> 00:30:50,445
Yeah, that's his signature, too.
608
00:30:50,446 --> 00:30:54,916
And his address is my home.
609
00:30:54,917 --> 00:30:55,851
Really?
610
00:30:55,852 --> 00:30:57,186
Where he was living.
611
00:30:57,187 --> 00:30:59,222
So this checks out?
612
00:30:59,223 --> 00:31:00,457
- It does.
- Okay.
613
00:31:00,460 --> 00:31:02,459
What would it be like
614
00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:05,362
to live in a house
once occupied by Kevorkian,
615
00:31:05,363 --> 00:31:08,065
with all of the potential
residual energy
616
00:31:08,067 --> 00:31:09,467
still lingering on?
617
00:31:09,468 --> 00:31:12,471
Annie St. John knows the answer
to that question
618
00:31:12,473 --> 00:31:14,673
and has come to me seeking help.
619
00:31:14,674 --> 00:31:17,844
So, you live in
Jack Kevorkian's old house?
620
00:31:17,845 --> 00:31:20,380
This is something I found out
through a few of the people
621
00:31:20,381 --> 00:31:22,283
that had lived there
before me, actually.
622
00:31:22,284 --> 00:31:25,887
I hear that there's some things
623
00:31:25,888 --> 00:31:27,789
that have been going on
in the house.
624
00:31:27,790 --> 00:31:29,658
There was one event
that happened,
625
00:31:29,659 --> 00:31:32,094
where I was in my bedroom
626
00:31:32,095 --> 00:31:34,464
and my bedroom door was closed
627
00:31:34,465 --> 00:31:36,400
and my knob was just
twisting and turning,
628
00:31:36,401 --> 00:31:39,369
like something was
on the other side of the door.
629
00:31:39,370 --> 00:31:42,440
That was the first thing
that really, really scared me.
630
00:31:44,877 --> 00:31:48,248
I also had a neighbor
who had lived upstairs,
631
00:31:48,249 --> 00:31:52,219
and he ended up
committing suicide.
632
00:31:52,220 --> 00:31:54,788
He was right in the apartment
above me,
633
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:56,390
so I could hear him at night,
634
00:31:56,391 --> 00:31:59,760
and he was a loud guy,
so I would hear him often.
635
00:31:59,761 --> 00:32:02,865
During that night,
I didn't hear anything up there.
636
00:32:04,901 --> 00:32:06,469
And I did have a weird thought
in my head,
637
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:08,504
like, "Is he all right?"
638
00:32:08,505 --> 00:32:10,508
just 'cause
he wasn't being loud.
639
00:32:12,677 --> 00:32:16,448
And I do remember hearing
kind of like a...
640
00:32:16,449 --> 00:32:20,052
sort of like a moaning sound
or, like, gurgly sound.
641
00:32:20,053 --> 00:32:21,720
I guess he overdosed on pills,
642
00:32:21,722 --> 00:32:24,824
and he was taking it
with alcohol.
643
00:32:24,825 --> 00:32:29,363
Do you believe
that him committing suicide --
644
00:32:29,364 --> 00:32:31,700
What do you believe
it was caused from?
645
00:32:32,801 --> 00:32:35,336
You know, I don't know.
646
00:32:35,337 --> 00:32:38,441
I don't know
if there's something
647
00:32:38,442 --> 00:32:41,211
that was kind of left over
from when Jack was there,
648
00:32:41,212 --> 00:32:43,780
maybe something unfinished.
649
00:32:44,716 --> 00:32:46,350
I have no idea.
650
00:32:46,351 --> 00:32:48,252
After hearing
these firsthand accounts
651
00:32:48,253 --> 00:32:50,288
of the activity and death
652
00:32:50,289 --> 00:32:53,392
in the very house
Kevorkian once called home,
653
00:32:53,393 --> 00:32:57,363
I wonder if similar energy
also occupies the van.
654
00:32:57,364 --> 00:33:00,533
Do you believe that maybe
spirits in the home
655
00:33:00,534 --> 00:33:07,343
that were patients
of Dr. Jack Kevorkian
656
00:33:07,344 --> 00:33:10,813
could have influenced him?
657
00:33:10,814 --> 00:33:14,016
Do you believe that that could
be a possibility or no?
658
00:33:14,017 --> 00:33:15,800
Yeah, I do.
100%, I do.
659
00:33:16,807 --> 00:33:19,775
Did lingering spirits
with unfinished business
660
00:33:19,776 --> 00:33:21,445
follow Kevorkian home,
661
00:33:21,446 --> 00:33:24,581
tormenting the current residents
in their confusion?
662
00:33:24,582 --> 00:33:27,318
Did they attach themselves
to that house
663
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:29,487
and the van that I now own?
664
00:33:29,488 --> 00:33:32,325
The only living person
who can confirm
665
00:33:32,326 --> 00:33:36,229
the identity of the van
is Geoffrey Fieger.
666
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:39,733
Construction is going on here.
There's some old insulation.
667
00:33:39,734 --> 00:33:42,335
So I got to wear this
for my asthma.
668
00:33:42,337 --> 00:33:44,104
Geoffrey Fieger, here's the van.
669
00:33:44,105 --> 00:33:45,474
Yep.
670
00:33:49,212 --> 00:33:51,681
A little worse for wear.
671
00:33:56,922 --> 00:34:00,191
Now, where is the hubcaps?
672
00:34:00,192 --> 00:34:01,727
I'm looking for mine.
673
00:34:01,728 --> 00:34:03,597
There's the one you're missing.
674
00:34:07,033 --> 00:34:08,968
And this steering wheel...
675
00:34:08,969 --> 00:34:10,468
They must have put on.
676
00:34:10,469 --> 00:34:12,372
They've put on.
677
00:34:12,373 --> 00:34:15,244
And this is what Kevorkian used.
678
00:34:17,013 --> 00:34:21,016
So, Geoffrey Fieger,
do I own Jack Kevorkian's van?
679
00:34:21,017 --> 00:34:24,053
You own a piece of history.
680
00:34:24,054 --> 00:34:26,289
This is
Dr. Kevorkian's van,
681
00:34:26,290 --> 00:34:28,725
where at least three people
that we know of
682
00:34:28,726 --> 00:34:30,327
lost their lives.
683
00:34:30,328 --> 00:34:33,397
If Annie's experience
in Kevorkian's home
684
00:34:33,398 --> 00:34:34,966
has shown me anything,
685
00:34:34,967 --> 00:34:37,403
it's that there is
a very real possibility
686
00:34:37,404 --> 00:34:39,605
that spirits
with unfinished business
687
00:34:39,606 --> 00:34:42,774
may be attached to this van
that I now own.
688
00:34:42,776 --> 00:34:45,812
With Annie's help,
I need to reach out to them.
689
00:34:45,813 --> 00:34:49,484
Okay, right now, we are
going to do an experiment.
690
00:34:49,485 --> 00:34:51,787
Annie, you haven't
seen the van yet.
691
00:34:51,788 --> 00:34:52,755
Nope.
692
00:34:52,756 --> 00:34:55,324
I want you to go in there alone.
693
00:34:55,325 --> 00:34:56,792
I want you to just see
694
00:34:56,794 --> 00:34:59,395
if you have the same feeling
around the van
695
00:34:59,396 --> 00:35:02,666
that you do when you're
at Jack Kevorkian's old house.
696
00:35:02,667 --> 00:35:04,635
I'm gonna give you
a digital recorder,
697
00:35:04,636 --> 00:35:07,105
and I want you to ask questions
to the spirits in there.
698
00:35:07,106 --> 00:35:08,508
- Okay?
- All right.
699
00:35:08,509 --> 00:35:10,509
And I want to ask you --
we were just sitting here
700
00:35:10,510 --> 00:35:12,378
just before
the camera started rolling.
701
00:35:12,379 --> 00:35:14,547
What did you and I both hear?
702
00:35:14,548 --> 00:35:17,051
We heard someone saying
"Hello" -- a female voice.
703
00:35:17,052 --> 00:35:18,653
- In a female voice.
- Yeah.
704
00:35:18,656 --> 00:35:20,587
Hey, roll cameras for a second.
705
00:35:20,588 --> 00:35:22,256
**** There's nothing recording
706
00:35:22,258 --> 00:35:23,424
to where we couldn't have
captured that.
707
00:35:23,425 --> 00:35:24,758
And she heard it, too.
708
00:35:24,759 --> 00:35:27,229
We could not
debunk this voice at all.
709
00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:28,964
Could it be a spirit
from the van?
710
00:35:28,965 --> 00:35:30,065
Go and find out.
711
00:35:30,066 --> 00:35:30,801
- Okay.
- Okay.
712
00:35:36,708 --> 00:35:38,410
I'm in the room.
713
00:35:45,952 --> 00:35:49,455
We also have an EMF detector
inside the van
714
00:35:49,456 --> 00:35:51,992
so that if any
spirit manifestations occur,
715
00:35:51,993 --> 00:35:54,595
we'll have scientific proof
that there was some type
716
00:35:54,596 --> 00:35:58,066
of electromagnetic field
manifesting.
717
00:35:58,067 --> 00:36:00,236
Do you think you recognize me?
718
00:36:02,539 --> 00:36:06,241
If there are any spirits
in the room,
719
00:36:06,242 --> 00:36:08,412
give me a sign.
720
00:36:10,648 --> 00:36:12,817
My God.
She's going inside of it?
721
00:36:14,887 --> 00:36:16,888
Okay.
722
00:36:16,890 --> 00:36:19,758
We've got no visual on her
right now.
723
00:36:19,759 --> 00:36:23,930
If anyone is here,
can you give me a sign?
724
00:36:23,931 --> 00:36:25,633
Can you zoom in?
725
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:30,037
What was that?
726
00:36:30,038 --> 00:36:31,206
- Did you hear that?
- Like a moan?
727
00:36:31,209 --> 00:36:32,708
- Yeah!
- Yeah.
728
00:36:32,711 --> 00:36:36,511
Hey, Annie, did you just hear
a moan or something?
729
00:36:36,512 --> 00:36:38,714
I definitely heard a moan.
730
00:36:38,715 --> 00:36:40,283
- She heard it.
- She heard it.
731
00:36:40,286 --> 00:36:41,952
So, now
she just gave confirmation
732
00:36:41,953 --> 00:36:44,821
that she heard the same
female moan that we did.
733
00:36:44,822 --> 00:36:48,025
Not only do we all hear
this unexplained female moan
734
00:36:48,026 --> 00:36:50,729
with our own ears,
but at the same exact time,
735
00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:53,665
our EMF detector
receives a large spike,
736
00:36:53,666 --> 00:36:56,034
scientifically documenting
a change
737
00:36:56,035 --> 00:36:59,772
in the electromagnetic energy
inside the death van.
738
00:36:59,773 --> 00:37:01,509
Can you zoom in?
739
00:37:08,318 --> 00:37:09,551
What was that?
740
00:37:09,552 --> 00:37:11,688
How are you feeling right now?
741
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:15,425
Um... very scared.
742
00:37:15,426 --> 00:37:18,496
I'm a little --
I definitely felt something.
743
00:37:18,497 --> 00:37:21,098
Can you try
to get in the back of the van?
744
00:37:21,099 --> 00:37:23,202
Um... we're gonna do it.
745
00:37:26,339 --> 00:37:28,274
Are you stuck?
746
00:37:28,275 --> 00:37:31,044
Do you feel stuck where you are?
747
00:37:32,446 --> 00:37:33,481
- Did you hear that? - Definitely.
- Yeah.
748
00:37:33,484 --> 00:37:35,382
It was a slam or something.
749
00:37:35,383 --> 00:37:36,716
Okay, I don't know
if you guys could hear that,
750
00:37:36,717 --> 00:37:38,353
but I definitely
just heard, like, a...
751
00:37:39,688 --> 00:37:41,155
We just heard a slamming noise.
752
00:37:41,156 --> 00:37:42,525
Yes, I heard that.
753
00:37:42,526 --> 00:37:44,293
Did that come
from inside the room with you?
754
00:37:44,294 --> 00:37:47,497
It may have came from, like,
sort of the back of the room.
755
00:37:47,498 --> 00:37:49,367
Do you feel stuck where you are?
756
00:37:53,171 --> 00:37:54,739
- Did you hear that? - Definitely.
- Yeah.
757
00:37:54,742 --> 00:37:58,510
- It sounded like a door on it shut or something.
- Yeah.
758
00:37:58,513 --> 00:38:00,947
Can you go look
at the backside of the van?
759
00:38:03,117 --> 00:38:04,584
That's fine.
760
00:38:04,585 --> 00:38:07,053
This girl came here
for just a simple interview.
761
00:38:07,054 --> 00:38:08,422
I don't think she had any idea
762
00:38:08,423 --> 00:38:10,526
we were gonna put her
inside the Deathmobile.
763
00:38:10,992 --> 00:38:13,860
So, because we heard
this female moan audibly
764
00:38:13,861 --> 00:38:15,128
and we heard this bang
765
00:38:15,129 --> 00:38:17,231
that apparently came
from this room,
766
00:38:17,232 --> 00:38:20,701
I decided to send Aaron in there
to do a spirit-box session
767
00:38:20,702 --> 00:38:23,805
so we could try to hear these
spirits live in the moment.
768
00:38:25,241 --> 00:38:29,145
Can you tell us
whose van this belongs to?
769
00:38:32,817 --> 00:38:35,285
Are you happy
that this van still exists
770
00:38:35,286 --> 00:38:37,089
and are you attached to it?
771
00:38:40,259 --> 00:38:42,094
Not getting any responses.
772
00:38:42,095 --> 00:38:43,829
Let's see
if Annie can get a response.
773
00:38:43,830 --> 00:38:45,466
Do you recognize me?
774
00:38:49,203 --> 00:38:50,104
"Bridget."
775
00:38:50,105 --> 00:38:51,705
Whoa.
776
00:38:51,706 --> 00:38:55,442
Is this spirit mistaking
Annie for someone named Bridget,
777
00:38:55,443 --> 00:38:57,879
or are they saying
that their name is Bridget?
778
00:38:57,881 --> 00:38:59,749
Do you recognize me?
779
00:39:05,255 --> 00:39:06,257
"Bridget."
780
00:39:07,992 --> 00:39:10,329
Do you recognize me?
781
00:39:16,570 --> 00:39:18,805
It's a female response.
782
00:39:21,576 --> 00:39:23,577
"What do you mean?"
783
00:39:23,578 --> 00:39:27,882
She lives in a place
where the doctor used to live.
784
00:39:27,883 --> 00:39:30,485
Does that make sense at all?
785
00:39:31,621 --> 00:39:32,756
- Whoa!
- Whoa!
786
00:39:32,759 --> 00:39:34,623
That's that same female
three times.
787
00:39:34,624 --> 00:39:38,128
And it sounds like almost
the same tone of the moan.
788
00:39:38,129 --> 00:39:42,266
She lives in a place
where the doctor used to live.
789
00:39:42,267 --> 00:39:44,169
Does that make sense at all?
790
00:39:47,773 --> 00:39:48,975
- Whoa!
- Whoa!
791
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:51,378
I got chills, man.
792
00:39:51,379 --> 00:39:52,545
Yeah, I'm, like...
793
00:39:52,546 --> 00:39:54,013
She's definitely in this room.
794
00:39:54,014 --> 00:39:55,550
- You okay?
- Yeah.
795
00:39:55,553 --> 00:39:56,850
What?
796
00:39:56,851 --> 00:39:59,353
I don't know.
I'm just...
797
00:39:59,354 --> 00:40:01,323
- Spooked?
- Yeah.
798
00:40:01,326 --> 00:40:03,625
With Annie
starting to feel affected,
799
00:40:03,626 --> 00:40:05,394
I decide
to end the investigation,
800
00:40:05,395 --> 00:40:06,627
as she and Aaron
801
00:40:06,628 --> 00:40:09,497
have already established
intelligent communication,
802
00:40:09,499 --> 00:40:13,003
validating to us
that there's at least one spirit
803
00:40:13,004 --> 00:40:16,039
still attached
to Dr. Kevorkian's death van.
804
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,143
We received confirmation
of the van's origin
805
00:40:19,144 --> 00:40:22,448
from the only living person
who could validate its identity.
806
00:40:22,449 --> 00:40:26,218
Geoffrey Fieger,
do I own Jack Kevorkian's van?
807
00:40:26,219 --> 00:40:29,155
You own a piece of history.
808
00:40:29,156 --> 00:40:31,658
And now we've received
an intelligent response
809
00:40:31,659 --> 00:40:33,094
from a spirit
810
00:40:33,095 --> 00:40:35,330
trying to communicate
with Annie St. John...
811
00:40:36,298 --> 00:40:37,599
Whoa!
812
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,303
...current resident
of Kevorkian's former home.
813
00:40:41,304 --> 00:40:43,940
This is just the beginning
of a long process
814
00:40:43,941 --> 00:40:46,242
with the newest part
of my collection.
815
00:40:46,243 --> 00:40:48,378
As people come
to visit the museum,
816
00:40:48,379 --> 00:40:51,950
I'm curious to see
how their energy will interact
817
00:40:51,951 --> 00:40:53,920
with such an iconic
piece of history.
61208
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