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my name is purveyor boxia I'm one of the
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back clinical faculty over here at
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Russia number University Medical Center
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in Chicago it's my pleasure to be
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introducing our session today as with
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our other Guam comm sessions this is
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just a reminder that it is a Harvard
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approved GME talk so please login with
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their full name to be eligible at the
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end so it's really my pleasure to get
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our next long con session started here
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and it's it's I'll start with
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introducing our speaker for today dr.
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jay Seltzer so dr. seltzer intended
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medical school at the University of
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missouri-kansas in Kansas City he
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returned to st. Louis for his internship
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and residency in internal medicine at
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the barnes-jewish hospital at wash
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Washington University School of Medicine
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we also served as the chief resident he
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subsequently went on to do as nephrology
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fellowship training at Wash U where you
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mean that as a full-time faculty and
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serves as a clinical director of the
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kidney stone Center and also associate
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director of the fellowship training
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program at Jewish Hospital in 1996 dr.
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Susman moved his practice to Missouri at
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the Baptist Medical Center where he was
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appointed chief of Nephrology and a
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medical director of renal and I Allison
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services he has co-authored several
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textbook chapters on natural diocese and
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is also part of the real fellow Network
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your analysis pediment of the month
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series today he will be speaking to us
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on the art and science of urine
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microscopy which is a date which is a
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must for all of us in our daily practice
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and absolutely an important part of
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training for our residents and fellows
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so without further ado I will go ahead
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and stop sharing my screen I have dr.
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Saltzer start our session today thank
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you very much for the kind introduction
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over the next 45 minutes or so we're
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going to review during microscopy really
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focusing on its use in daily practice
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we'll start out by talking about why
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nephrologist should look at the urine
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themselves and not solely rely on the
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laboratories
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interpretation then how to look at the
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urine both in terms of using a
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microscope properly preparing the
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specimen staining techniques
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illumination techniques and generally
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how to use the microscope to get the
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best image as you possibly can to
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interpret will spend the majority of the
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time talking about the different
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elements of the urine sediment and then
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how to interpret the findings and then
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apply them to several clinical cases and
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then at the end we'll have some time to
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answer some questions so the question
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that I often get asked is why take the
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time to look at the urine and the lab
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when the laboratory doesn't thorough
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your analysis and they can do a
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microscopic exam themselves first of all
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is a nephrologist you know what you're
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looking for you know the details of the
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clinical case therefore you can provide
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and perform a very focused exam of the
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sediment the laboratories at a
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disadvantage they may do several hundred
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urine specimens a day and they don't
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know any of the clinical information of
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the case they're looking at all so you
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have the expertise to interpret the
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results whereas the laboratory may not
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always have that expertise in terms of
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its usefulness and clinical practice
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there are several good articles about
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this showing the utility in helping
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differentiate the cause of acute renal
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failure or Aki it also often helps you
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determine whether a real biopsy is
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necessary or not and then over time
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assessing the response to therapy and in
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terms of preparing the sample for
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microscopy it's best to use a clean
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catch specimen or catheterize urine if
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you are collecting it from a Foley
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catheter it's important to get it from
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the tubing not from the bag you're in
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sitting in the bag will result in
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decomposition of several of the formal
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elements it's important to perform a
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dipstick test making note of the pH and
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the specific gravity as well as the
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presence or absence of protein blood
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white cells
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you should use a conical bottom test
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tube filled with urine and of course
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don't forget to put a counterbalance in
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the centrifuge I imagine we've all
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learned that the hard way in terms of
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centrifuging many labs have a protocol
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with a specific rpm and time but that's
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based on guidelines from the
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accreditation agencies in terms of
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standardization for cell counts so
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there's no hard and fast rule what we as
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nephrologists need to do if you have a
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dilute specimen and it may benefit to
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spin it for ten minutes then I'll do
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that rather than what I typically would
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do which would be five minutes 1,500 to
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1,800 rpms or a relative centrifugal
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force of 400 that's generally been shown
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to give the best yield without risk of
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destroying any formed elements by overly
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aggressive centrifugal after that's done
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you would pour off the supernatant
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generally by just inverting the tube due
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to the surface tension of the liquid
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about a half a milliliter will remain in
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the tube and you can use that to gently
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resuspend the sediment at the bottom by
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ever flicking the tube gently with your
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finger or tapping it against the counter
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use a pipette then to transfer the
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sediment to a glass slide and carefully
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apply a glass coverslip trying to
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prevent air bubbles from forming ideally
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what you want to achieve is a thin film
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where all of the formed elements are
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going to be viewing or in the same focal
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plane air bubbles can change that and
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make your images less clear staining I
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think is very important not everyone
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takes the time to do this step that is
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very very simple the best way to point
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out the utility of the stern himer
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Malbin stain which is the most common is
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to remind everyone that the best
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resolution images are achieved using
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bright field microscopy with the stains
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and it can be inherently stained with
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say bilirubin or hemoglobin or anything
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else but using these super vital stains
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like this mixture of crystal violet and
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safranin really give the image a better
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quality better resolving power under
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bright field and it facilitates
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identifying different cells which can be
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difficult otherwise with the stern himer
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Malbin stain you can generally readily
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differentiate white blood cells from
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tubular epithelial cells and it very
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much highlights the cast material making
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casts quite visible when they otherwise
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might not be except under phase contrast
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it's very simple after the usual
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preparation all you have to do is add
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one drop of the stain to the resuspended
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sediments gently swirl it around and
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allow one to two minutes for this stain
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to be taken up and then prepare the
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slides it's not like other stains that
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require fixing and tedious steps very
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simple these stains are also readily
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available and have a good shelf life the
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Soudan 3 stain is not necessarily used
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routinely but especially if you don't
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have polarization available it's very
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helpful to identify lipids in the urine
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again it's very simple after the usual
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preparation you just add 2 to 3 drops of
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the Soudan 3 staying mix I'll clear on
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the slide but it takes a little longer
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when the stain I want to spend a little
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bit of time just reviewing microscope
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Anatomy again in order to get the best
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quality images it's important to have
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the microscope set up and adjust it
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properly
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you see if I can grab a pointer here
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are you able to see my pointer very
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small let's see see okay the things I
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want to point out is at the bottom where
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the light sources is a field diaphragm
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it's an iris diaphragm that controls the
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amount of light that shines up into the
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condenser the condenser maybe one of the
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most important parts of the microscope
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that's often overlooked it's job is to
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focus the light on a single point on the
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exact plane that you're viewing on the
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slide the condenser is where all of the
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different illumination modalities are
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changed and we'll talk in a lot more
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detail about that in the condenser there
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is a separate iris diaphragm that
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especially with brightfield allows you
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to increase contrast the condenser focus
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knob raises or lowers the condenser
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allowing you to focus the light on the
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specimen I'm called achieving Koller
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illumination which we'll talk about in
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more detail and then the more obvious
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features are the mechanical stage
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adjustment which moves the slide back
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and forth the fine focus knob and then
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the objectives and the eyepieces
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in order to interpret your findings you
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have to be able to tell what you're
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looking at I think this might be the
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most frustrating part of people doing
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you're in microscopy is finding that
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they can't tell what they're looking at
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because the images aren't clear some of
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this has to do with the quality of the
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microscope and the objectives but much
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of it also has to do with proper
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technique so ideally you should have a
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microscope of reasonable quality the
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typical minimum magnifications you would
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like to achieve or a hundred times 400
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time in a thousand you want to make sure
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the microscope objectives the eyepiece
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and the condenser lenses are clean and
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if you're using a camera or iPhone or an
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adapter make sure those lenses are clean
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and then as I refer to earlier before
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viewing you want to make sure that
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you've achieved proper cooler
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illumination and we'll talk about that
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next choose the appropriate illumination
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modality for what you're looking at
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review that in more detail and then very
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importantly always use glass slides and
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glass cover slips never use the plastic
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multi chamber slides that the lab uses
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these are of poor optical clarity their
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thickness prohibits use of an oil
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immersion lens it scatters the light
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from the condenser and results in very
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poor image quality again remember that
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the highest resolution images are
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usually obtained with bright field
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illumination of a stained specimen for
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instance using the stern Humber Melvin
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stain and ideally if available with an
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oil immersion lens so Kohler
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illumination refers to the act of
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focusing the light source on the
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specimen that's being viewed with the
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intent being to limit the light to a
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pinpoint covering only the field of view
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for that objective and the light should
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be focused in the plane that you're
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focused on if you don't do this the
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light if it has VOC
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is not on the plane you're looking at
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some of the light is scattered through
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the glass or the coverslip
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or reflected and it clouds the image
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overall your goal is to restrict the
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light to just the specimen in the
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observed area and way you achieve that
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and of course this is not newer
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microscopes have a fixed condenser this
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is not necessary but for most scopes
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including older ones with an adjustable
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condenser this is applicable so the way
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this is achieved as using the low power
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objective you focus on the specimen we
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see in the top image here and then you
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close the field diaphragm which is the
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iris diaphragm on the bottom light
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source you close it so you can see kind
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of the outline of the iris diaphragm
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being octagonal or something like that
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and then you focus the condenser up and
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down until you see the edges of the iris
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diaphragm very crisp and in focus and in
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this image here you see it's kind of
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off-center your goal then is to Center
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the light source using these centering
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screws that are present on the condenser
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until the image is right in the middle
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and then when it is you open up the
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field diaphragm but just enough to fill
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the field you're looking at no more than
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that now if you scatter too much light
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onto the slide it will cloud the image
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that should be repeated when you change
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objectives ideally what we went through
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was just on the low power objective so
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the illumination or deities will talk
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about our bright field which all
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microscopes are inherently set up to
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achieve dark field which most
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microscopes can achieve right out of the
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box phase contrast requires specific
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add-ons to the condenser and the
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objective which we'll talk about and
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then polarized light is also an add-on
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but it's simple generally to add on
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after the fact so bright field is the
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simplest of all illumination techniques
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in this modality the
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is illuminated from below light shines
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from the light source the condenser
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lenses focused the light on the specimen
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the light is gathered by the objective
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lens and sent to the ocular lens dark
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field is a little bit different in this
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modality you are excluding the direct on
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scattered light from the image and as a
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result you see the image illuminated
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against a dark background this is
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achieved by a dark field disc present in
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the condenser that blocks the central
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portion of the light but allows the
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peripheral light to hit the condenser it
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is then focused but it ends up being
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reflected away from the center of the
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objective so the objective only gathers
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light from the specimen and not the
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peripheral light what you're left with
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as you can see in these two images is
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the difference between a bright field
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and a dark field of the same exact
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specimen bright field gives you much
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better resolution dark field is very
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helpful for bringing out items with a
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low refractive index that might
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otherwise be invisible or difficult to
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see on bright field certain things light
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up on dark field specifically lipids and
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crystals so it's very helpful in
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scanning on low power looking for the
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presence of liquids or crystals also
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many casts will light up and be quite
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visible dark field I use a lot of times
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just preliminary for scanning a specimen
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just to get an idea of what's there
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these are some different examples of
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dark field images these are calcium
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oxalate monohydrate crystals in the
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upper left yeast in the middle upper a
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granular cast with tubular epithelial
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cells adherent to the exterior on the
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top right the bottom right a red blood
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cell cast next to that are some
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dysmorphic red blood cells they can't
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the sites and then on the bottom row you
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can see these lipids in this case just
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light up as do these calcium oxalate
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monohydrate and dihydrate crystal
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on the bottom-left so dark field is
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useful but you don't get the resolution
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that you get with bright field here's a
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low-power image of a whole field and you
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can see how certain things light up this
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calcium oxalate monohydrate crystal
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these oval fat bodies which contain
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lipids and you can see other items here
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gives you a good overview but again the
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resolution is not as sharp as with
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bright fuel phase contrast is quite a
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bit different this illumination modality
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actually won the Nobel Prize in Physics
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in 1953 it's a means by which you alter
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the course of the light and enhance the
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contrast along the periphery of items in
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your specimen giving kinda the halo
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around each border each item that
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enhances the contrast and makes them not
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only more visible but also lending
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somewhat of the three-dimensional
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characteristic to them at times this is
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achieved by using two separate discs to
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alter the course of the light one of the
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discs is in the condenser itself it's
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called the condenser annulus and it is a
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dark ring with a dark ring in the middle
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and then in between the two light is
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able to pass so you get a cone of light
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passing between the outer disc in the
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central disc this cone of light is then
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focused through the condenser across the
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specimen and in the objective you have a
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matching phase plate that is a structure
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such that light passes where there was
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dark below light doesn't pass where like
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did below and then the central light is
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allowed to pass so it's kind of the
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inverse of the condenser annulus what
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this does is it alters the light so that
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it's hitting this specimen
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only the peripheral light that goes
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through the cone and then it's altered
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giving it enhanced contrast
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as I mentioned you have to have a phase
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disc in the condenser and a matching
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disc in the objective and microscopes
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fitted with this they will be labeled as
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such so the phase to plate has to be
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used when you're using the phase 2
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objective in this case this is the 40
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time objective on the condenser you
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would put it to phase 2 to achieve phase
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contrast using this objective so here
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you see some sample images and if you
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look closely especially at the top row
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middle where you see some dysmorphic red
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cells and normal red cells floating by
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you clearly see the bright halo around
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the structures that really enhances the
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edge and you really see the contrast in
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the top right you can see this a can't
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the sight with the halo around it that
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otherwise might be difficult to see you
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can see the matrix of the cast if there
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weren't this halo around it it would
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blend in with the background so a lot of
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times phase contrast allows you to see
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island casts and cast matrix that's
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otherwise invisible on bright view on
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the video on the bottom right you see
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some granular motility in a white cell
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again these would be very difficult to
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see without phase contrast this
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cholesterol crystal in the bottom middle
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you see the bright halo around the
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periphery that really makes it stand out
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and then in the bottom left all of these
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mucous strands these would be invisible
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under bright field it's this little halo
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and enhanced contrast that makes it
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visible so that's the real utility of
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phase contrast unfortunately as is the
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case usually when you increase contrast
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you decrease resolution so phase
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contrast cannot achieve the same
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resolution as Brightview
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but it is useful in many situations
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polarized light is really helpful in
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identifying lipids and crystals it's
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fairly simple in this form this would be
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called simple polarization there
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Moorcock
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methods of polarization with
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compensators but for our purposes the
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simple polarization is adequate in order
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to do this you have to have a filter
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below the condenser on the light source
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and then another filter somewhere in the
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optical path way above the specimen
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usually between the objective and the
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observation to to the eyepiece when you
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use these you will rotate the bottom
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filter until it is oriented 90 degrees
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from the top at which time you are able
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to then see items that are birefringence
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in other words scattering light in one
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direction now this is very useful for
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identifying lipids crystals and also
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contaminants that really light up
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microscopes that are fitted for this
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generally have a slot as pictured here
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where the top filter goes in and then
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usually an extra space over the light
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source where the bottom filter that can
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be rotated goes in and you can retrofit
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scopes you can actually just buy two of
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these put one over the light source and
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one on top of your slide and of course
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this limits being able to use 40 and 100
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time objectives but at least it's doable
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here you see some examples of polarized
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light on the top left you see under
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phase contrast a lipid cast but if these
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lipid droplets were all of uniform size
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you might not be able to be sure that
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they're not red cells but right below it
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on the polarized image you see these
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line up with a characteristic maltese
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cross pattern this one's using a red
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compensator so it's in color instead of
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black and white but this shows you that
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these are actually lipid droplets the
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same with the image next to it which is
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another fatty cast you see the typical
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Maltese Cross pattern under polarization
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here the this is using a simple
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polarizer lots of lipids here and again
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the Maltese Cross pattern same with
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these others
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on the bottom two images on the right
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are fibers artifacts especially fibers
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light up and usually very vivid colors
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makes it very easy to spot what's an
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artifact and what's not so the question
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is often which modality should you use
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and the answer is you should use all of
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them if they're available to you but all
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for different purposes now a bright
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field will give you the best resolution
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especially with the stained specimen
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dark field is very useful for
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identifying structures with a low
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refractive index it's also useful for
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scanning under low power things light up
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and you can easily spot crystals lipids
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and casts phase contrast greatly
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enhances the contrast of items and is
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very useful for identifying dysmorphic
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red cells it's also useful in helping
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you figure out what you're looking at
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getting a different view of cells if
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there's any question what they are and
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polarized light again very useful for
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determining whether something is lipid
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or crystalline or an artifact this is a
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good example that illustrates the
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different modalities and kind of a
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real-world application on the top left
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what we see here under bright field are
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what looked like some by concave discs
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they almost look like little doughnut
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shaped things and you might not on a
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less clear image be able to tell whether
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these were red blood cells or whether
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they were crystals under dark field on
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the top right they really light up which
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gives you some idea that these are
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probably crystals and not red cells
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which would not light up on dark field
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on the bottom left on phase contrast you
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see lo and behold these are not just
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free-floating in the urine they're
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actually within a cast which you could
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not see under bright field or dark field
552
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,250
so base contrast is very helpful at
553
00:25:12,970 --> 00:25:17,830
showing you the outline of the protein
554
00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:19,750
matrix here and then on the bottom right
555
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:21,630
under polarization it shows you these
556
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:24,360
are indeed crystals in this case
557
00:25:21,630 --> 00:25:25,850
calcium oxalate monohydrate so a good
558
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:29,700
example of the different illumination
559
00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:31,950
modalities and their usefulness so we'll
560
00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:34,290
move on now and talk about the elements
561
00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:38,010
in the urine sediment first of all the
562
00:25:34,290 --> 00:25:42,720
cells of importance to us then lipids
563
00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:45,150
and castes crystals will very briefly
564
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,430
talk about that could be a topic in and
565
00:25:45,150 --> 00:25:50,010
of itself but I'll point you to some
566
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:51,630
resources for more information on those
567
00:25:50,010 --> 00:25:57,210
and then very briefly talk about some
568
00:25:51,630 --> 00:26:00,140
common artefacts determining what you're
569
00:25:57,210 --> 00:26:03,420
looking at the size is quite helpful
570
00:26:00,140 --> 00:26:05,100
this gives you a kind of a proportional
571
00:26:03,420 --> 00:26:07,950
scale of the difference in size between
572
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:10,370
bacteria red blood cells white blood
573
00:26:07,950 --> 00:26:12,360
cells tubular epithelial cells
574
00:26:10,370 --> 00:26:17,580
transitional cells and the large
575
00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:19,080
squamous epithelial cells whenever
576
00:26:17,580 --> 00:26:21,420
you're not sure what you're looking at
577
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:24,240
remember that the size can really help
578
00:26:21,420 --> 00:26:26,220
you narrow it down especially if you
579
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,380
can't tell which are epithelial cells
580
00:26:26,220 --> 00:26:32,430
which are white cells red cells
581
00:26:28,380 --> 00:26:34,710
generally have a homogeneous appearance
582
00:26:32,430 --> 00:26:37,200
there you do not have any granular
583
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:39,570
cytoplasm white blood cells have a
584
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,640
granular cytoplasm and the more common
585
00:26:39,570 --> 00:26:46,530
one is at polymorphonuclear leukocytes
586
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:49,250
with segmented nucleus tubular
587
00:26:46,530 --> 00:26:53,640
epithelial cells generally have a large
588
00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:58,160
eccentric nucleus with a very distinct
589
00:26:53,640 --> 00:27:00,780
border along the nucleus they can be
590
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:03,360
small they can be medium they can be
591
00:27:00,780 --> 00:27:06,120
large vary quite a bit in size depending
592
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:09,030
upon their origin in the nephron they
593
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:12,510
can be cuboidal they can be trapezoidal
594
00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:15,240
they can be spherical much of it depends
595
00:27:12,510 --> 00:27:16,740
on where they've come from along the
596
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,080
nephron and whether they've been in the
597
00:27:16,740 --> 00:27:20,880
urine for a while transitional
598
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,680
epithelial cells differ in their
599
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,990
appearance depending upon whether their
600
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,540
superficial layer or deep layer they're
601
00:27:24,990 --> 00:27:29,400
often in a caudate shape as pictured
602
00:27:27,540 --> 00:27:30,780
here but they can be spherical and
603
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,250
sometimes very difficult to
604
00:27:30,780 --> 00:27:35,160
differentiate from tubular epithelial
605
00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:37,410
cells squamous epithelial
606
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:41,100
cells are fairly easy to identify they
607
00:27:37,410 --> 00:27:43,440
have an irregular shape a very small
608
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:47,520
central nucleus much larger than the
609
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:49,590
other cells here's an example of a few
610
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,810
together in the same screen what you see
611
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:53,100
here on the bottom left is a red blood
612
00:27:51,810 --> 00:27:57,180
cell with kind of a homogeneous
613
00:27:53,100 --> 00:28:00,240
cytoplasm this is under phase contrast
614
00:27:57,180 --> 00:28:04,440
so you see kind of the halo around them
615
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:06,690
you see tubular epithelial cells in the
616
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,420
middle with the eccentric nucleus with
617
00:28:06,690 --> 00:28:11,280
the very distinct border on the top
618
00:28:09,420 --> 00:28:14,820
right you see a white blood cell with
619
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:17,250
the segmented nucleus and then the
620
00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:20,070
bottom is a different type of white
621
00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:21,600
blood cell with granular motility noted
622
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:26,700
in the cytoplasm we'll talk a little bit
623
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:28,710
more about that here's another good
624
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:30,510
example of the difference in size here
625
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:31,950
on the Left we see a red blood cell cast
626
00:28:30,510 --> 00:28:34,020
with some embedded tubular epithelial
627
00:28:31,950 --> 00:28:36,600
cells where you can clearly see the
628
00:28:34,020 --> 00:28:38,070
difference in size the image on the
629
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,840
right you know you see a little of
630
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:42,030
everything you can see the red blood
631
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,480
cells compared to the appearance of the
632
00:28:42,030 --> 00:28:47,700
white blood cells both dark staining and
633
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,890
pale staining and then a tubular
634
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:52,200
epithelial cell with the large eccentric
635
00:28:49,890 --> 00:28:55,920
nucleus in this case with lipid
636
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,720
inclusions so called oval fat body here
637
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,300
with the stern heimer of Malbin stain
638
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:05,730
which you see can clearly allow you to
639
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:09,150
see the different structures different
640
00:29:05,730 --> 00:29:13,140
images here phase contrast transitional
641
00:29:09,150 --> 00:29:16,740
epithelial cells compared to red blood
642
00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:18,720
cells tubular epithelial cells and white
643
00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:23,610
blood cells and then the larger squamous
644
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:27,270
epithelial cells on the right red blood
645
00:29:23,610 --> 00:29:27,900
cells generally about 78 microns in
646
00:29:27,270 --> 00:29:30,420
diameter
647
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:33,810
they are generally round or slightly
648
00:29:30,420 --> 00:29:35,430
oval and have a biconcave profile and
649
00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:39,050
hypertonic urine they can become
650
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:42,150
cremated as seen in the upper right as
651
00:29:39,050 --> 00:29:44,310
they are present for a while in the
652
00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:46,980
urine they can lose some of their
653
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:51,650
characteristics and become kind of go
654
00:29:46,980 --> 00:29:51,650
cells especially in hypotonic urine
655
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:58,410
dysmorphic forms can occur here's a
656
00:29:55,890 --> 00:30:00,570
cartoon just showing a normal appearance
657
00:29:58,410 --> 00:30:05,820
kind of the ghosted cell created and
658
00:30:00,570 --> 00:30:07,290
then so-called dysmorphic cells there
659
00:30:05,820 --> 00:30:10,190
are a lot of things that can mimic red
660
00:30:07,290 --> 00:30:13,740
blood cells particularly air bubbles
661
00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:16,919
lipid droplets as we saw earlier calcium
662
00:30:13,740 --> 00:30:20,190
oxalate monohydrate crystals rarely
663
00:30:16,919 --> 00:30:22,049
pollen starch isn't used much on gloves
664
00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:25,020
anymore but sometimes it can be mistaken
665
00:30:22,049 --> 00:30:27,030
for red cells neutrophils that are
666
00:30:25,020 --> 00:30:29,390
degenerating and smaller and hypertonic
667
00:30:27,030 --> 00:30:34,290
urine sometimes can look similar and
668
00:30:29,390 --> 00:30:37,200
yeast can very often look like red blood
669
00:30:34,290 --> 00:30:40,080
cells and in fact budding yeast can
670
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,240
sometimes look like a campus sites which
671
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,490
we'll talk about a little more sperm
672
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:48,150
that have lost their tails also can look
673
00:30:44,490 --> 00:30:50,429
like red blood cells so in terms of
674
00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:52,620
figuring out the origin of the red blood
675
00:30:50,429 --> 00:30:55,590
cells you see in the urine it's helpful
676
00:30:52,620 --> 00:30:58,290
to be able to determine whether they are
677
00:30:55,590 --> 00:31:02,580
a glomerular origin or non glomerular
678
00:30:58,290 --> 00:31:04,830
and one of the specific findings in
679
00:31:02,580 --> 00:31:07,309
urine that will lead you towards
680
00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:10,530
determining their plumeria origin is the
681
00:31:07,309 --> 00:31:13,980
identification of dysmorphic red blood
682
00:31:10,530 --> 00:31:15,870
cells specifically a kantha sites so
683
00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:18,900
when you have damage to the glomerular
684
00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:22,049
basement membrane red blood cells can
685
00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:24,690
squeeze through and in the process they
686
00:31:22,049 --> 00:31:26,910
have a slight deformation of their
687
00:31:24,690 --> 00:31:28,830
membrane but it's not until they
688
00:31:26,910 --> 00:31:31,710
actually flow through the tubular and
689
00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:34,350
they're subjected to osmolar shifts that
690
00:31:31,710 --> 00:31:38,490
the membrane actually develops these
691
00:31:34,350 --> 00:31:40,590
cytoplasmic blasts or protrusions this
692
00:31:38,490 --> 00:31:44,370
one is so called Mickey Mouse looking
693
00:31:40,590 --> 00:31:46,440
cell g1 cells were acanthus sites and
694
00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:50,700
these are found to be the most reliable
695
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:53,010
indicator of glomerular origin of
696
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:56,159
hematuria there are lots of different
697
00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:57,540
dysmorphic red blood cell forms but the
698
00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:59,800
one specifically we're going to talk
699
00:31:57,540 --> 00:32:01,960
about that seemed to be the most
700
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:05,680
lemare euler origin or the acanthus
701
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,900
sites which can vary from kind of a ring
702
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,780
form but generally have these
703
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:12,580
cytoplasmic gloves here seen under
704
00:32:10,780 --> 00:32:15,160
bright field in the bottom phase
705
00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:17,020
contrast but you can see these
706
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,350
cytoplasmic Bloods this is what you're
707
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:22,090
looking for to tell you whether the red
708
00:32:20,350 --> 00:32:26,620
cells you're seeing or from glomerular
709
00:32:22,090 --> 00:32:28,660
origin here's an example I've circled a
710
00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:31,270
some of the acanthus sites but you can
711
00:32:28,660 --> 00:32:33,280
see them hopefully with these
712
00:32:31,270 --> 00:32:34,900
cytoplasmic blobs here under phase
713
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,790
contrast which really is the best
714
00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:40,330
illumination modality to look for
715
00:32:36,790 --> 00:32:42,840
dysmorphic red cells the normal ones
716
00:32:40,330 --> 00:32:45,790
appear kind of as the bright white disks
717
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:48,610
the dysmorphic ones will often look
718
00:32:45,790 --> 00:32:50,970
darker and smaller and again you're
719
00:32:48,610 --> 00:32:53,560
looking for these cytoplasmic gloves
720
00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:55,780
here pictured on the right these are on
721
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:59,670
stainless Stern Hiram Alban and enlarge
722
00:32:55,780 --> 00:32:59,670
but these are typically kantha sites
723
00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:05,020
neutrophils in the urine can occur
724
00:33:03,730 --> 00:33:07,720
either from infection or inflammation
725
00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:11,050
anywhere in the urinary tract although
726
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,850
any white cells can appear in the urine
727
00:33:11,050 --> 00:33:15,580
it's generally the segmented
728
00:33:12,850 --> 00:33:18,940
polymorphonuclear neutrophil that we see
729
00:33:15,580 --> 00:33:21,610
these are generally identified by the
730
00:33:18,940 --> 00:33:24,220
granular cytoplasm in the segmented
731
00:33:21,610 --> 00:33:27,100
multi lobe nucleus they're generally 10
732
00:33:24,220 --> 00:33:28,960
to 12 microns in diameter often
733
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:31,810
spherical but if they're left on the
734
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:35,650
slide for awhile baby can develop pseudo
735
00:33:31,810 --> 00:33:38,110
pods and look almost amoebic the stern
736
00:33:35,650 --> 00:33:40,840
himer Malbin stain greatly facilitates
737
00:33:38,110 --> 00:33:42,340
identifying these there's generally two
738
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,010
different staining patterns that you
739
00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:47,230
observe dark staining neutrophils have a
740
00:33:45,010 --> 00:33:49,450
translucent or granular cytoplasm and
741
00:33:47,230 --> 00:33:52,060
very avid magenta red staining of the
742
00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:54,370
segments and nucleus these cells these
743
00:33:52,060 --> 00:33:56,320
dark staining ones are older and
744
00:33:54,370 --> 00:33:59,770
generally no longer viable
745
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,330
the pale staining ones that appear kind
746
00:33:59,770 --> 00:34:03,070
of with a pale and distinct blue
747
00:34:01,330 --> 00:34:08,380
staining pattern of the cytoplasmic
748
00:34:03,070 --> 00:34:10,360
nucleus are viable young cells as such
749
00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:14,130
they often have visible cytoplasmic
750
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,130
granular movement
751
00:34:14,179 --> 00:34:18,800
whether or not you see this cytoplasmic
752
00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:20,869
granular motility depends on whether the
753
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:24,290
viscosity is low enough and this usually
754
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:25,879
occurs in hypotonic urine these pale
755
00:34:24,290 --> 00:34:28,270
staining white cells with granular
756
00:34:25,879 --> 00:34:31,429
motility are called glitter cells
757
00:34:28,270 --> 00:34:35,389
sometimes called stern himer Malbin
758
00:34:31,429 --> 00:34:38,720
cells who were the original they
759
00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:40,220
originally described these or granular
760
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:42,050
motility cells and these were once
761
00:34:40,220 --> 00:34:45,649
thought to be indicative of
762
00:34:42,050 --> 00:34:47,960
pyelonephritis but they're now generally
763
00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:51,800
agreed upon to be a nonspecific finding
764
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:53,810
and again these are younger viable pale
765
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,000
staining white blood cells glitter cells
766
00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:59,180
you can see their appearance here on the
767
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,880
top under bright field in the middle
768
00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:06,740
under phase contrast and hopefully you
769
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:09,079
can see under dark field now I'm East
770
00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:10,970
can be visible in the urine it's very
771
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:14,510
easy to see under dark field is pictured
772
00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:17,329
on the lower row on the top you can see
773
00:35:14,510 --> 00:35:19,310
how these yeast these budding yeast can
774
00:35:17,329 --> 00:35:21,800
look very similar to an adjacent red
775
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:24,160
blood cell and you can see how these
776
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:27,050
could be misconstrued break antha sites
777
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:29,660
in fact one of the cases we'll talk
778
00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:32,450
about in the end the laboratories auto
779
00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:34,400
analyzer reported three plus budding
780
00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:36,349
yeast on the specimen it turned out they
781
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:40,040
had glomerular nephritis and they recant
782
00:35:36,349 --> 00:35:42,140
the sites the yeast generally have a
783
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,819
different coloring they tend to be a
784
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:48,829
little more oval shaped and not circular
785
00:35:45,819 --> 00:35:50,569
and of course if you see pseudohyphae
786
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:54,829
formation that makes it obvious that
787
00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:56,690
these are yeast bacteria are obvious
788
00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:59,450
they're generally modal you can see them
789
00:35:56,690 --> 00:36:01,190
especially under phase contrast and you
790
00:35:59,450 --> 00:36:06,050
see how easy they are to see under dark
791
00:36:01,190 --> 00:36:07,940
field on the left so
792
00:36:06,050 --> 00:36:11,690
you'll have an unexpected visitor in
793
00:36:07,940 --> 00:36:13,730
your sediment here trichomonas these are
794
00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:15,740
about the same exact size as a white
795
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:18,290
cell and if they're no longer living
796
00:36:15,740 --> 00:36:20,930
they look very similar to a white cell
797
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:23,990
of course when they're alive their modal
798
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:26,480
you can usually see the flagella and
799
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:30,950
very typical movement here under
800
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:34,370
different imaging modalities lipid Juri
801
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:35,960
is a very important finding damaged in
802
00:36:34,370 --> 00:36:38,780
the glomerular basement membrane can
803
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:41,870
allow the plasma lipids to escape into
804
00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:45,970
the urinary space these lipid droplets
805
00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:48,590
are absorbed by tubular epithelial cells
806
00:36:45,970 --> 00:36:51,860
and at some point these cells become
807
00:36:48,590 --> 00:36:54,710
engorged with lipids and then slough off
808
00:36:51,860 --> 00:36:57,890
and pass into the urinary space becoming
809
00:36:54,710 --> 00:37:00,380
what are termed oval fat bodies these
810
00:36:57,890 --> 00:37:03,110
lipid droplets can also be taken up by
811
00:37:00,380 --> 00:37:07,490
macrophages and again referred to as
812
00:37:03,110 --> 00:37:10,250
oval fat bodies cholesterol crystals can
813
00:37:07,490 --> 00:37:11,840
form not as commonly but they're
814
00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:13,970
pictured here on the bottom right they
815
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,460
have a very unique geometric shape very
816
00:37:13,970 --> 00:37:19,130
neat now these are under on the top
817
00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:23,720
phase-contrast on the bottom this is
818
00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:26,060
kind of achieve appearance by just
819
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:27,620
shifting the condenser daytime to give a
820
00:37:26,060 --> 00:37:29,750
little more 3-dimensional appearance but
821
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:35,690
this is a cholesterol crystal with some
822
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:38,450
red cells adjacent oval fat bodies again
823
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:42,670
are indicative of lipid area they can
824
00:37:38,450 --> 00:37:45,650
vary in size and appearance with the
825
00:37:42,670 --> 00:37:48,670
polarizer you can identify or verify
826
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:51,710
that these are indeed lipid droplets a
827
00:37:48,670 --> 00:37:54,020
lot of times these oval fat bodies will
828
00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:56,600
start disintegrating and the free lipids
829
00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:58,640
will be released when these oval fat
830
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,520
bodies are in a cast and the lipids are
831
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:04,360
released as the tubular epithelial cells
832
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:07,070
to generate you end up with a lipid cast
833
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,200
a lot of times you'll see oval fat
834
00:38:07,070 --> 00:38:10,940
bodies within a cast here on the left
835
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,560
with the stern himer Malbin stain you
836
00:38:10,940 --> 00:38:15,560
can see these oval fat bodies within
837
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:17,660
this cast same thing on the right this
838
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,260
is overexposed a little bit so you can't
839
00:38:17,660 --> 00:38:23,180
see the protein matrix of the
840
00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:26,160
as well but lots of oval fat bodies here
841
00:38:23,180 --> 00:38:31,980
and for comparison of red to generating
842
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:33,780
red cell the Soudan 3 stain you can see
843
00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:36,540
what it does on the bottom row here it
844
00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:39,030
colors the lipids and orange makes them
845
00:38:36,540 --> 00:38:40,619
very easy to identify again this is
846
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:46,109
useful if you don't have polarization
847
00:38:40,619 --> 00:38:49,050
available castes are formed by the
848
00:38:46,109 --> 00:38:53,310
solidification of Tam horsfall mew
849
00:38:49,050 --> 00:38:55,680
caprile team when it solidifies it molds
850
00:38:53,310 --> 00:38:58,710
into a caste and in doing so it
851
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:01,109
incorporates any cells present in the
852
00:38:58,710 --> 00:39:03,660
tube you'll into the structure and as
853
00:39:01,109 --> 00:39:05,910
the caste passes into the urine it
854
00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:08,369
preserves evidence of what was in the
855
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:10,710
tube you'll I'm helping clarify the
856
00:39:08,369 --> 00:39:15,240
nature of whatever is going on in the
857
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:17,510
kidney anything can be incorporated in
858
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:20,880
there that can be in the urinary space
859
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:23,280
crystals red cells white cells tubular
860
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,470
epithelial cells lipids but not
861
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,940
transitional epithelium cells not
862
00:39:25,470 --> 00:39:28,940
squamous epithelial cells
863
00:39:29,089 --> 00:39:34,710
hyaline casts are the most common thing
864
00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:37,230
that you'll see they are not pathologic
865
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:40,710
they are normal in states of low urine
866
00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:42,990
flow or volume depletion or whenever the
867
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:46,339
urines concentrate there is simply the
868
00:39:42,990 --> 00:39:49,890
solidified tam horse-pond mukha protein
869
00:39:46,339 --> 00:39:52,109
under bright field microscopy you see
870
00:39:49,890 --> 00:39:56,579
here they're almost invisible now these
871
00:39:52,109 --> 00:39:59,130
images are courtesy of Florian at Swiss
872
00:39:56,579 --> 00:40:01,170
macro we'll talk a little more about his
873
00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:02,700
resource but under bright field they're
874
00:40:01,170 --> 00:40:05,640
almost invisible under phase contrast
875
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:07,099
quite obvious a very common finding
876
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,140
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877
00:40:07,099 --> 00:40:11,640
granular casts result from the breakdown
878
00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:13,200
either of cellular castes or
879
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,500
degenerative products from the tubular
880
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,450
cells and proteins depending upon the
881
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:20,849
size of the inclusions they can be
882
00:40:18,450 --> 00:40:24,089
considered coarser finally granular but
883
00:40:20,849 --> 00:40:26,039
that really of no significance they can
884
00:40:24,089 --> 00:40:28,200
be seen in the absence of renal disease
885
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:29,970
after exercise but generally they're
886
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,250
indicative of some type of tubular
887
00:40:29,970 --> 00:40:36,500
injury especially when seen in
888
00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:36,500
conjunction with free tubular epithelial
889
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:43,680
there are tubular epithelial cells
890
00:40:40,319 --> 00:40:47,099
incorporated within the cast here we see
891
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:49,589
just examples of some granular casts on
892
00:40:47,099 --> 00:40:52,170
staying with stern himer Malbin stain
893
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:54,329
more coarsely on the bottom and then in
894
00:40:52,170 --> 00:40:57,329
the middle what's been termed muddy
895
00:40:54,329 --> 00:41:01,769
brown casts these are dense granular
896
00:40:57,329 --> 00:41:03,720
casts there's not a clear consensus on
897
00:41:01,769 --> 00:41:06,480
what the actual pigment is here it's
898
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:08,339
thought to be like the fuchsine but
899
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:12,329
could be other pigments associated with
900
00:41:08,339 --> 00:41:14,789
cellular degeneration castes can become
901
00:41:12,329 --> 00:41:16,500
pigmented i here in the bottom left this
902
00:41:14,789 --> 00:41:19,349
was a case from yesterday you see a
903
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:21,210
brightly Billy Rubin stained cast with
904
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:24,119
some tubular epithelial cells within it
905
00:41:21,210 --> 00:41:28,019
I'm on the bottom middle these muddy
906
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:32,670
brown casts again on the right staining
907
00:41:28,019 --> 00:41:35,190
from rifampin on the top right staining
908
00:41:32,670 --> 00:41:36,690
from hemoglobin or myoglobin would look
909
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:39,359
about the same in this case it's
910
00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:41,070
hemoglobin now you can see some I can't
911
00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:45,480
the sites adjacent to this
912
00:41:41,070 --> 00:41:51,420
and then this I think this was Vinay's
913
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:53,850
of purity not a staining white blood
914
00:41:51,420 --> 00:41:57,420
cell castes are indicative of
915
00:41:53,850 --> 00:41:59,220
inflammation or infection they can
916
00:41:57,420 --> 00:42:03,180
contain just a few white cells or be
917
00:41:59,220 --> 00:42:05,100
densely packed although there were kind
918
00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:06,960
of associated usually with interstitial
919
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:09,000
nephritis or pyelonephritis they're
920
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,530
actually not an uncommon finding and
921
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,560
glomerular nephritis especially
922
00:42:10,530 --> 00:42:16,440
proliferative genes it's very very
923
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:18,870
important with white cell castes before
924
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,180
you call them a caste to make sure
925
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:23,220
you're differentiating a caste from a
926
00:42:21,180 --> 00:42:25,410
clump of white cells white cells in the
927
00:42:23,220 --> 00:42:27,120
urine tend to clump together and when
928
00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:30,300
they clump in kind of a linear fashion
929
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:32,010
they can look very much like a caste but
930
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:34,950
before you call it a caste you want to
931
00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:37,920
see this protein matrix surrounding the
932
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:40,380
cells and forming a clear cylindrical
933
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,840
structure so just be aware of
934
00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:45,510
interpreting pseudo castes mistakenly as
935
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:47,460
castes especially with white cells in
936
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:49,170
these images you see good examples of
937
00:42:47,460 --> 00:42:51,290
the difference between the dark staining
938
00:42:49,170 --> 00:42:53,730
and pale staining Western heimer Malbin
939
00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:55,440
again the dark staining or older
940
00:42:53,730 --> 00:42:58,680
non-viable white cells the light
941
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:03,720
staining ones are viable younger stain
942
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:06,000
younger cells red blood cell casts are
943
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:07,860
an elusive finding this is what we all
944
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,640
kind of strive to find when we're
945
00:43:07,860 --> 00:43:13,470
looking at a new case suspected GN they
946
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,180
usually signify the presence of a
947
00:43:13,470 --> 00:43:18,270
proliferative glomerular process or
948
00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:19,830
vascular disease less commonly they can
949
00:43:18,270 --> 00:43:22,110
be seen in acute earnest ditional
950
00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:24,480
brightest renal infarction even in
951
00:43:22,110 --> 00:43:26,610
diabetic nephropathy especially when you
952
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,290
get masanjia lysis you get red cells
953
00:43:26,610 --> 00:43:31,140
passing into the urinary space and
954
00:43:28,290 --> 00:43:32,880
forecasts so they can enter the tubular
955
00:43:31,140 --> 00:43:34,770
lumen either via damage from regular
956
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,680
capillary membranes or damaged tubular
957
00:43:34,770 --> 00:43:40,470
basement membranes they have a variable
958
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,600
appearance you can sometimes see only a
959
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:44,220
few cells other times they're so densely
960
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,100
packed you can't even see the protein
961
00:43:44,220 --> 00:43:48,840
matrix usually the cells retain their
962
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:50,550
shape and hemoglobin content that as
963
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,710
they degenerate their appearance can
964
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:55,120
change considerably they can become
965
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:57,640
depigmented appear as ghosts
966
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,680
in that case just the outlines apparent
967
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,620
but the cytoplasmic pigment is no longer
968
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,930
visible as they degenerate the
969
00:44:02,620 --> 00:44:07,480
hemoglobin forms Heinz bodies which
970
00:44:04,930 --> 00:44:10,240
appear is small dense granules along the
971
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,550
cytoplasmic membrane and as the heme is
972
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:14,500
released during this process it pigments
973
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:18,810
the cast of reddish brown color and
974
00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:18,810
eventually results in a hemoglobin caste
975
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:24,490
here we see different examples these are
976
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:28,000
bright filled unstained you can clearly
977
00:44:24,490 --> 00:44:30,430
see the red blood cell outlines in this
978
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:34,150
case they are quite visible because of
979
00:44:30,430 --> 00:44:37,150
the hemoglobin pigment released as you
980
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:38,770
see in the middle of the bottom row some
981
00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:40,780
degeneration occurring and it's really
982
00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:44,920
kind of transforming into a kima globin
983
00:44:40,780 --> 00:44:47,500
cast phase-contrast it's a little harder
984
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,170
to see because of the high contrast but
985
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:52,600
you can see it at different cells
986
00:44:49,170 --> 00:44:55,450
outline clearly within the cast from a
987
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:58,660
few sparse ones on the top left to the
988
00:44:55,450 --> 00:45:00,940
very dense just to the right of that
989
00:44:58,660 --> 00:45:04,120
and again as you can see on the bottom
990
00:45:00,940 --> 00:45:06,250
left the more items you have next to
991
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:10,960
each other all with a halo around them
992
00:45:06,250 --> 00:45:12,940
you get a little less resolution but
993
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,180
this is a typical appearance under phase
994
00:45:12,940 --> 00:45:17,440
contrast with stern Homer Mountain
995
00:45:16,180 --> 00:45:19,360
staining you get higher resolution
996
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:23,290
images you can clearly see the
997
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:24,730
morphology of the red cells here you can
998
00:45:23,290 --> 00:45:26,560
see how different they can appear
999
00:45:24,730 --> 00:45:29,770
depending on how densely packed they are
1000
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:32,260
on the stage of degeneration as these
1001
00:45:29,770 --> 00:45:35,350
cells to generate you end up seeing at
1002
00:45:32,260 --> 00:45:38,290
times just the outline and then further
1003
00:45:35,350 --> 00:45:40,150
along you see these dense dark granules
1004
00:45:38,290 --> 00:45:42,220
these are these so-called Heinz bodies
1005
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:45,580
which is denatured hemoglobin occurring
1006
00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:47,950
as part of the generating process on the
1007
00:45:45,580 --> 00:45:50,050
left here you see still clear red cells
1008
00:45:47,950 --> 00:45:52,240
within the cast but on the right a
1009
00:45:50,050 --> 00:45:54,340
little later you see really what's
1010
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:57,360
becoming a hemoglobin cast with a few
1011
00:45:54,340 --> 00:45:57,360
red cell remnants
1012
00:45:57,490 --> 00:46:02,420
tubular epithelial cell casts our renal
1013
00:46:00,740 --> 00:46:04,310
tubular epithelial cells embedded within
1014
00:46:02,420 --> 00:46:07,700
the protein matrix these are generally
1015
00:46:04,310 --> 00:46:09,890
indicative of acute tubular injury very
1016
00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:13,370
helpful when looking at a case of a ki
1017
00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:15,560
when you see these it really leans you
1018
00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:18,230
more towards tubular injury as a part of
1019
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,240
the process remembering of course that
1020
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:23,330
you can have tubular injury along with
1021
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:25,640
every other finding so it doesn't imply
1022
00:46:23,330 --> 00:46:27,620
that it's just tubular injury but at
1023
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,530
least it gives you an idea to what
1024
00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:32,870
extent the tubules are involved on the
1025
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:35,270
top right here you can see not only
1026
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:38,480
tubular epithelial cells but some white
1027
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:43,190
cells for comparison and then some red
1028
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:45,080
cells in the middle bottom you see a few
1029
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:47,000
lipid droplets in there along with the
1030
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:50,080
tubular epithelial cells and a white
1031
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,080
cell just for comparison
1032
00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:57,180
waxy casts are seen primarily in chronic
1033
00:46:55,410 --> 00:46:59,400
renal failure they're thought to
1034
00:46:57,180 --> 00:47:03,870
represent kind of the end product of
1035
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:05,970
cast evolution when castes are trapped
1036
00:47:03,870 --> 00:47:08,430
in the tubulin spend a long time they're
1037
00:47:05,970 --> 00:47:10,800
in their passage flowing from smaller
1038
00:47:08,430 --> 00:47:14,280
into larger ducts and eventually forming
1039
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:17,160
these broad casts with a very different
1040
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:21,300
refractive index they have a waxy
1041
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:23,580
character they are more rigid they often
1042
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:29,190
have sharp appearing edges kind of
1043
00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:32,730
fractured ends here are different
1044
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:34,140
appearances under phase contrast with
1045
00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:39,540
different staining and different
1046
00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:40,980
adjustments of the condenser lipid casts
1047
00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:42,690
we talked a little bit about these are
1048
00:47:40,980 --> 00:47:44,910
the results of lipid droplets ending up
1049
00:47:42,690 --> 00:47:47,670
in the cast you can have some with just
1050
00:47:44,910 --> 00:47:49,470
a few droplets and others that are so
1051
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:52,410
densely packed they almost look like a
1052
00:47:49,470 --> 00:47:54,360
coarse granular cast in the top left
1053
00:47:52,410 --> 00:47:57,450
here you can see how if these were all
1054
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:59,940
uniform size you might mistake this for
1055
00:47:57,450 --> 00:48:01,710
a red blood cell cast and that's where
1056
00:47:59,940 --> 00:48:03,480
polarization is helpful to help you
1057
00:48:01,710 --> 00:48:05,910
verify these are lipid droplets that
1058
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:11,400
seem to the right with a typical Maltese
1059
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:14,220
Cross pattern pseudo casts beware of
1060
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,870
these again before you call something a
1061
00:48:14,220 --> 00:48:17,940
cast you want to make sure that there's
1062
00:48:15,870 --> 00:48:20,970
visible protein matrix around the
1063
00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:22,860
inclusions on the bottom left this looks
1064
00:48:20,970 --> 00:48:25,800
like a red blood cell cast but it's
1065
00:48:22,860 --> 00:48:28,800
actually red blood cells that are up
1066
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,840
against a mucous thread that has kind of
1067
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,600
created a dam blocking all of these red
1068
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,130
blood cells from moving on the slide but
1069
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,080
on the left side you don't see any
1070
00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:41,370
protein matrix surrounding them so this
1071
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:43,530
is a pseudo cast on the second image
1072
00:48:41,370 --> 00:48:46,050
from the left on the bottom this is a
1073
00:48:43,530 --> 00:48:48,450
mucus strand with white blood cells
1074
00:48:46,050 --> 00:48:50,250
adherent to it again it's almost
1075
00:48:48,450 --> 00:48:53,520
tempting to call this a white blood cell
1076
00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:56,250
cast same thing with these others these
1077
00:48:53,520 --> 00:49:00,630
are cells that are adherent to or up
1078
00:48:56,250 --> 00:49:03,160
against a mucus strand or mucus thread
1079
00:49:00,630 --> 00:49:06,190
I'm in the top middle again courtesy
1080
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:09,580
events with snuff row a typical image of
1081
00:49:06,190 --> 00:49:12,250
amorphous debris here these are
1082
00:49:09,580 --> 00:49:14,110
amorphous phosphates in the urine when
1083
00:49:12,250 --> 00:49:16,720
they a grenade like this they can look
1084
00:49:14,110 --> 00:49:21,280
like a granular cast but again you don't
1085
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:23,800
really see a cylindrical structure these
1086
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,470
mucus strands are just ribbon like mucus
1087
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:29,980
thread they're of no pathologic
1088
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:33,730
significance but sometimes they confuse
1089
00:49:29,980 --> 00:49:35,170
matters when they form pseudo casts so
1090
00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:36,430
we'll briefly just talk about different
1091
00:49:35,170 --> 00:49:38,440
patterns I think these are fairly
1092
00:49:36,430 --> 00:49:40,630
obvious and by no means specific
1093
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,640
generally when you see he maturely in
1094
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:44,620
association with red blood cell cast and
1095
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:48,700
proteinuria that's indicative of clam
1096
00:49:44,620 --> 00:49:50,710
Arowana Friday's heavy proteinuria and
1097
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:53,290
lipid urea usually a non proliferating
1098
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:56,590
process granular cast tubular epithelial
1099
00:49:53,290 --> 00:49:59,850
cells tubular cell casts tubular injury
1100
00:49:56,590 --> 00:50:01,840
or a TN pyuria and white cell casts
1101
00:49:59,850 --> 00:50:04,210
pyelonephritis and interstitial
1102
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,010
nephritis but don't forget white cell
1103
00:50:04,210 --> 00:50:09,250
casts are a common finding in
1104
00:50:06,010 --> 00:50:11,200
proliferative genes a normal UA with
1105
00:50:09,250 --> 00:50:12,910
just Highland castes can be seen with
1106
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,880
low urine flow rates volume depletion
1107
00:50:12,910 --> 00:50:19,090
and when you have normal urine sediment
1108
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:21,520
no casts no cells no proteinuria that's
1109
00:50:19,090 --> 00:50:23,290
when you would be on the lines of pre
1110
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:27,910
relays of tinea vascular cause
1111
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:30,310
obstructions something else crystals
1112
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:32,140
just briefly you can see all kinds of
1113
00:50:30,310 --> 00:50:33,970
different crystals unfortunately this is
1114
00:50:32,140 --> 00:50:37,300
a huge topic and we're not going to
1115
00:50:33,970 --> 00:50:39,640
cover I do want to point you to the is n
1116
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:41,310
Atlas on your in microscopy this is by
1117
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:44,230
Jose Tesla Bologna
1118
00:50:41,310 --> 00:50:46,120
an excellent resource not only on
1119
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:49,300
urinary sediment findings but really
1120
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:52,000
good coverage of crystals also on
1121
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:54,970
Florian buck rumors at Swiss necro site
1122
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,770
lots of coverage on crystals here we see
1123
00:50:54,970 --> 00:50:59,770
a typical appearance of cysteine in the
1124
00:50:56,770 --> 00:51:02,170
top left calcium oxalate monohydrate and
1125
00:50:59,770 --> 00:51:05,260
dihydrate the dihydrate on the top right
1126
00:51:02,170 --> 00:51:07,750
uric acid below that in the middle into
1127
00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:10,390
the right calcium oxalate monohydrate on
1128
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:12,100
the bottom right an unusual variant of
1129
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:13,619
uric acid on the bottom that looks
1130
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:16,019
almost like a sunflower
1131
00:51:13,619 --> 00:51:21,420
and then a case from yesterday a typical
1132
00:51:16,019 --> 00:51:23,579
leucine crystal here various artifacts I
1133
00:51:21,420 --> 00:51:25,200
think we've talked about it's important
1134
00:51:23,579 --> 00:51:29,329
if you see something that just doesn't
1135
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:32,460
look typical it's probably an artifact
1136
00:51:29,329 --> 00:51:37,740
sometimes polarization can help you
1137
00:51:32,460 --> 00:51:40,079
differentiate here's a red blood cell
1138
00:51:37,740 --> 00:51:43,680
cast that's wrapped around a fiber
1139
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:46,200
artifact and then various fibers that
1140
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:49,910
can end up and then some crystalline
1141
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,910
artifact probably some powder
1142
00:51:50,910 --> 00:51:55,990
so now we'll finish up with a few cases
1143
00:51:54,010 --> 00:51:57,130
I think we've had about seven cases I'll
1144
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:59,410
go through quickly and then we'll have
1145
00:51:57,130 --> 00:52:02,170
some time for questions I picked these
1146
00:51:59,410 --> 00:52:04,450
cases to help illustrate situations
1147
00:52:02,170 --> 00:52:06,820
where I think that urine sediment helped
1148
00:52:04,450 --> 00:52:09,430
figure out what was going on
1149
00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:11,950
helped guide to a diagnosis and
1150
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:13,960
treatment plan and then lastly a case
1151
00:52:11,950 --> 00:52:18,180
that illustrates almost every abnormal
1152
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:21,070
finding in one case so this one is from
1153
00:52:18,180 --> 00:52:23,970
2014 this was a 76 year old woman that
1154
00:52:21,070 --> 00:52:27,790
came in with a history of renal failure
1155
00:52:23,970 --> 00:52:30,610
skin rash a few weeks after taking
1156
00:52:27,790 --> 00:52:34,090
antibiotics amoxicillin levofloxacin for
1157
00:52:30,610 --> 00:52:35,530
a sinus infection creatinine was 3.1 and
1158
00:52:34,090 --> 00:52:36,490
when we're going through the history I
1159
00:52:35,530 --> 00:52:39,910
thought this was going to be
1160
00:52:36,490 --> 00:52:43,720
interstitial nephritis rash a few weeks
1161
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:46,090
after taking an antibiotic the lab UA
1162
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:47,920
showed two plus blood there were some
1163
00:52:46,090 --> 00:52:50,500
white cells the lab didn't report any
1164
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:53,140
casts but when I looked at the sediment
1165
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:56,440
there were red blood cell casts and a
1166
00:52:53,140 --> 00:53:01,290
campus sites this led to a renal biopsy
1167
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:03,850
which showed Crescenta necrotizing g-n
1168
00:53:01,290 --> 00:53:08,020
not interstitial nephritis as I thought
1169
00:53:03,850 --> 00:53:10,510
it was going to be with her history the
1170
00:53:08,020 --> 00:53:13,780
next case this was actually not a
1171
00:53:10,510 --> 00:53:16,150
patient this is the mother of one of my
1172
00:53:13,780 --> 00:53:18,220
patients who ended up in the hospital
1173
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:21,040
and I went by simply to make a social
1174
00:53:18,220 --> 00:53:22,780
visit and when I was talking to her she
1175
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,750
said the doctors told her she had some
1176
00:53:22,780 --> 00:53:27,580
blood in her urine she asked me to look
1177
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:30,040
through her case and it turns out she
1178
00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:31,600
was admitted with recurrent pneumonia
1179
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,430
this was the fourth time she had
1180
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:37,330
pneumonia despite getting antibiotics
1181
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:40,420
several times her creatinine was 1.4 and
1182
00:53:37,330 --> 00:53:42,550
looked like her baseline was 1.0 and
1183
00:53:40,420 --> 00:53:44,920
indeed the UA was reported as two-plus
1184
00:53:42,550 --> 00:53:48,120
blood with five to ten red cells but
1185
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:50,800
nothing else I looked at her urine and
1186
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:53,830
much to my surprise she had a few a
1187
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,150
kantha sites in fact most of the red
1188
00:53:53,830 --> 00:53:58,000
blood cells that were there where he
1189
00:53:55,150 --> 00:53:59,620
can't the sites and then piecing it
1190
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,830
together with her history it kind of
1191
00:53:59,620 --> 00:54:04,090
made sense and I rented up formally
1192
00:54:02,830 --> 00:54:07,090
consulting on her and we
1193
00:54:04,090 --> 00:54:08,950
committed a biopsy and indeed her NPO
1194
00:54:07,090 --> 00:54:13,330
came back positive and she had a focal
1195
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:18,250
necrotizing GN that might otherwise have
1196
00:54:13,330 --> 00:54:20,800
been missed that was a good case this
1197
00:54:18,250 --> 00:54:22,300
was a fairly typical one it was an older
1198
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,730
Asian woman that had a history of
1199
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:26,470
microscopic hematuria but she also had a
1200
00:54:24,730 --> 00:54:30,070
history of bladder cancer that she
1201
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:31,750
declined treatment and her hematuria for
1202
00:54:30,070 --> 00:54:34,360
probably five or six years had been
1203
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:36,040
attributed to the bladder cancer until
1204
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,320
her creatinine started to rise and
1205
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:41,800
that's when she was referred for urine
1206
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:43,960
sediment showed red cell casts and some
1207
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:48,100
tubular cell casts as you can see here
1208
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:50,260
on the bottom right we ended up by op
1209
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:53,620
singer and as might be predicted she had
1210
00:54:50,260 --> 00:54:55,960
IgA nephropathy but a good example of
1211
00:54:53,620 --> 00:55:00,520
the can't always attribute red blood
1212
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:02,260
cells to a bladder source this was an
1213
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:05,470
older man that came in with heart
1214
00:55:02,260 --> 00:55:09,100
failure and Aki granted 2.6 where his
1215
00:55:05,470 --> 00:55:12,640
baseline was about 1.8 his UA had white
1216
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:17,500
cells and his history when he came in
1217
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:18,940
was attributed to CHF and a UTI but when
1218
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:21,970
I looked at his urine he actually had
1219
00:55:18,940 --> 00:55:23,500
white blood cell casts and looking
1220
00:55:21,970 --> 00:55:25,180
through his history and talking to him a
1221
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:27,640
little further it turned out he had been
1222
00:55:25,180 --> 00:55:30,550
on sulfasalazine for a few months and
1223
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,170
the dose was recently increased he
1224
00:55:30,550 --> 00:55:34,120
wasn't a good candidate for a biopsy
1225
00:55:32,170 --> 00:55:36,720
there was really no indication to do so
1226
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:39,250
we stopped the drug treated him with
1227
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:41,290
enteric steroid and his creatinine
1228
00:55:39,250 --> 00:55:44,700
within about three to four weeks drop
1229
00:55:41,290 --> 00:55:44,700
back down close to his baseline
1230
00:55:45,420 --> 00:55:52,890
this case was a little puzzling at first
1231
00:55:48,589 --> 00:55:55,650
this was from a while ago 63 year old
1232
00:55:52,890 --> 00:55:59,130
guide that had a baseline credit of 1.5
1233
00:55:55,650 --> 00:56:02,789
came in with bacteremia and Aki granted
1234
00:55:59,130 --> 00:56:05,130
a 3.9 he had bacterial endocarditis was
1235
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:07,380
treated with cefazolin and nafs Ilyn who
1236
00:56:05,130 --> 00:56:09,569
was volume depleted and you can see
1237
00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:13,499
starting on the right here on March 16th
1238
00:56:09,569 --> 00:56:17,670
his creatinine went from 3.9 and down to
1239
00:56:13,499 --> 00:56:21,829
1.4 with hydration but then it started
1240
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:25,410
going back up and went to 1.5 2.0 and
1241
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:27,329
when we saw this happening knowing that
1242
00:56:25,410 --> 00:56:29,819
he had been on Massillon for about a
1243
00:56:27,329 --> 00:56:32,039
couple weeks at this point we looked at
1244
00:56:29,819 --> 00:56:34,859
his urine and lo and behold he had white
1245
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:37,470
cell casts we switched his antibiotics
1246
00:56:34,859 --> 00:56:41,400
around and his renal functions started
1247
00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:42,930
to drift back another example of going
1248
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:47,819
back and looking at the sediment when
1249
00:56:42,930 --> 00:56:50,009
things are changing this was a very nice
1250
00:56:47,819 --> 00:56:52,079
man that came in with chronic sinus
1251
00:56:50,009 --> 00:56:53,819
infections had been on antibiotics three
1252
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:57,359
or four times over the course of the
1253
00:56:53,819 --> 00:56:58,380
year and again when I was talking to him
1254
00:56:57,359 --> 00:57:00,210
I thought this was going to be
1255
00:56:58,380 --> 00:57:02,910
interstitial nephritis but then I saw
1256
00:57:00,210 --> 00:57:06,690
this rash on his legs with palpable
1257
00:57:02,910 --> 00:57:08,809
purpura and looking at the lab UA this
1258
00:57:06,690 --> 00:57:11,400
is the case I referenced earlier he had
1259
00:57:08,809 --> 00:57:13,380
reported three plus budding yeast in the
1260
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,569
urine but when I looked at his urine
1261
00:57:13,380 --> 00:57:17,339
these are actually a campus sites and
1262
00:57:15,569 --> 00:57:20,819
indeed he had a whole bunch of red blood
1263
00:57:17,339 --> 00:57:23,970
cell casts his biopsy showed Crescenta
1264
00:57:20,819 --> 00:57:27,180
Chi GA but a good example some of the
1265
00:57:23,970 --> 00:57:31,019
flow integers that are used in automated
1266
00:57:27,180 --> 00:57:33,029
labs will detect budding yeast as a
1267
00:57:31,019 --> 00:57:37,890
kantha sites I'm sorry it can't the site
1268
00:57:33,029 --> 00:57:40,680
says budding yeast and this is the last
1269
00:57:37,890 --> 00:57:44,039
case now this was a 66 year old man this
1270
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:46,799
is from a month ago came in with four
1271
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:51,630
months history of fatigue chronic sinus
1272
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:53,160
infections and antibiotics his exam was
1273
00:57:51,630 --> 00:57:56,009
fairly benign he just had some lower
1274
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:58,830
extremity edema no history of coffered
1275
00:57:56,009 --> 00:58:03,420
hemoptysis bu n 88 creatinine
1276
00:57:58,830 --> 00:58:06,660
twelve albumen 3.5 looking at is urine
1277
00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:09,600
sediment the first thing I saw were
1278
00:58:06,660 --> 00:58:11,940
white blood cell casts here you see some
1279
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,640
dark staining white blood cells and then
1280
00:58:11,940 --> 00:58:16,230
paler staining white blood cells so at
1281
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:19,310
first when I saw that again I was
1282
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:22,500
thinking interstitial nephritis but
1283
00:58:19,310 --> 00:58:27,000
right away looking around he had all
1284
00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:29,010
kinds of red blood cell casts the most I
1285
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,540
think I've ever seen very good examples
1286
00:58:29,010 --> 00:58:32,190
of red blood cell casts here under
1287
00:58:30,540 --> 00:58:35,250
bright field with stern heimer Malbin
1288
00:58:32,190 --> 00:58:38,610
staining but he also had tubular
1289
00:58:35,250 --> 00:58:42,480
epithelial cell casts here with oval fat
1290
00:58:38,610 --> 00:58:45,930
bodies under bright field here oval fat
1291
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:48,120
bodies under phase contrast here perfect
1292
00:58:45,930 --> 00:58:50,640
tubular epithelial cells and here
1293
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:52,980
tubular epithelial cell but you can also
1294
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:57,420
see in a campus site here in red blood
1295
00:58:52,980 --> 00:58:59,510
cells in the same cast and he had cast
1296
00:58:57,420 --> 00:59:03,120
that had everything all at the same time
1297
00:58:59,510 --> 00:59:07,470
red blood cells tubular epithelial cells
1298
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:09,720
white blood cells everything his
1299
00:59:07,470 --> 00:59:13,640
serologies were all negative his anti
1300
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:15,630
GBM antibody was negative MPO PR 3 an A
1301
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:18,720
complements all normal
1302
00:59:15,630 --> 00:59:22,640
of course we proceed with a renal biopsy
1303
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:26,730
and interestingly it showed linear IgG
1304
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:31,620
he had cellular crescents in about 45%
1305
00:59:26,730 --> 00:59:34,290
of the glomeruli and a nice correlative
1306
00:59:31,620 --> 00:59:36,360
finding on the biopsy here those red
1307
00:59:34,290 --> 00:59:39,600
blood cell casts so visible in his
1308
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:41,490
urinary sediment and even a white blood
1309
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,290
cell cast on cross section within a
1310
00:59:41,490 --> 00:59:46,100
tubular
1311
00:59:43,290 --> 00:59:49,730
so he was treated for anti GBM disease
1312
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:52,260
and just came off dialysis last week
1313
00:59:49,730 --> 00:59:54,900
he's actually I think going to do well
1314
00:59:52,260 --> 00:59:57,290
he had a I think interstitial fibrosis
1315
00:59:54,900 --> 01:00:02,360
and tubular atrophy of less than 10%
1316
00:59:57,290 --> 01:00:02,360
surprisingly so he may actually do okay
1317
01:00:04,770 --> 01:00:09,300
let me go over a few resources I want to
1318
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:12,780
point you to as you've probably seen on
1319
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:15,840
your own most text books the pictures of
1320
01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:18,450
urine sediment are not that clear so
1321
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,040
it's a little hard to learn with good
1322
01:00:18,450 --> 01:00:22,980
resources but these are the two best
1323
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:25,650
that I found this is by Giovanni Fugazi
1324
01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:28,920
has published numerous articles on urine
1325
01:00:25,650 --> 01:00:30,630
sediment fantastic reviews this is an
1326
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,960
excellent book it's no longer an active
1327
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:35,340
print but I think you can still find it
1328
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,170
and this might be the single best
1329
01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:39,960
resource the color atlas of urinary
1330
01:00:37,170 --> 01:00:42,200
sediment by Merrill Hebert he has an
1331
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:45,600
older textbook that's also quite useful
1332
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:49,560
well this is really good and then of
1333
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:51,900
course on Twitter my feed Florian buck
1334
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,380
Kramer at Swiss Neff Roe excellent
1335
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:55,680
resource
1336
01:00:53,380 --> 01:00:59,610
[Music]
1337
01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:04,020
at Bellas Neff hepato really excellent
1338
01:00:59,610 --> 01:01:07,230
case reports urinary findings at close
1339
01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:09,420
8's are lots of interesting urinary
1340
01:01:07,230 --> 01:01:11,820
findings and the hash tags that are used
1341
01:01:09,420 --> 01:01:14,760
commonly urinary sediment you're in
1342
01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:16,890
microscopy Samira Farooq has done a
1343
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,780
great job coordinating on the renal
1344
01:01:16,890 --> 01:01:21,450
fellow Network the urine sediment of the
1345
01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:23,690
month every month someone contributes a
1346
01:01:21,450 --> 01:01:27,330
specific topic these are very concise
1347
01:01:23,690 --> 01:01:31,440
reviews and then again the is n Atlas on
1348
01:01:27,330 --> 01:01:33,630
urine microscopy very thorough so with
1349
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,810
that I'll stop and see if anyone has any
1350
01:01:33,630 --> 01:01:35,810
questions
1351
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:41,770
Thank You dr. sell so that was an
1352
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:43,840
amazing talk and we had ton of comments
1353
01:01:41,770 --> 01:01:46,060
on this and the chat in terms of the
1354
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:48,130
great images and definitely a thank you
1355
01:01:46,060 --> 01:01:50,560
from everyone there are a few questions
1356
01:01:48,130 --> 01:01:54,190
I'll start with the first one from dr.
1357
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:55,810
glass ik and then it's many years ago
1358
01:01:54,190 --> 01:01:57,220
this is from dr. glasses many years ago
1359
01:01:55,810 --> 01:01:59,440
Ken Fairley showed that hundred percent
1360
01:01:57,220 --> 01:02:01,870
of our sites and the normal urine were
1361
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,730
just more 'fuck if true then a subject
1362
01:02:01,870 --> 01:02:06,100
with low level non-blue marie-laure
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mature hematuria about two to three
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times above normal can exhibit a 50/50
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mixture of dysmorphic and normal morphic
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hematuria
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is that do you agree with that
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formulation I think that's probably true
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I think that's why generally I only rely
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on a campus sites as being indicative of
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the glomerular etiology there's so many
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other dysmorphic variants that can occur
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in the absence of glomerular disease
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cremated cells are dysmorphic but there
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are normal finding and hypertonic urine
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so I think really focusing on just the
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acanthus sites or g1 cells gives you the
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best opportunity to single out what
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cases may be at kumarila origin another
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question that was in the chat from dr.
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Ling was in terms of the consensus for
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you know cells for high-power field what
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is the what is the consensus in terms of
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is that 10 X 20 X 40 X what is the
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general I think that's decided by the
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ACP I believe when they're talking about
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high-power field it's a 40 X objective
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it's also contingent upon
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Standardization of the centrifuge the
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volume that's resuspended the volume of
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the well of the plastic slide that they
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use they're all standardized by ACP and
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most accredited labs have to use those
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protocols I generally find cell counts
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not of much use it's more useful to me
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to know whether their cells they're not
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necessarily whether there's 3 to 5 5 to
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7 7 to 10
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but the labs unfortunately are held by
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following these protocols that also kind
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of prohibits the central labs from using
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stains using glass slides instead of
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their plastic well slides I think that's
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why I find that in many labs they're not
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able to see the things that we see with
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a focused exam because of what they're
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held to and the accrediting agencies
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any other questions from our audience
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today feel free to unmute yourself and
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we have time for a couple more questions
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so dr. Saltzer this is Mario Rubin from
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Houston first of all I'd like to
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congratulate you on an outstanding
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presentation I mean I was trained by
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George Reiner and who taught me quite a
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bit about urinalysis until today I
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thought I knew a lot and you have shown
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me there is a way ways to go number two
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is one thing that I have found that has
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really misled me many times is the
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presence of oval flat bodies in women
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that use vaginal talk and that's
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something else too I think keep in mind
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interesting
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thank you I wasn't aware of that that's
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that's good to point out thank you
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you're welcome
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I have a quick question if you got time
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yes
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vancomycin has recently been suggested
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to be due to the formation of
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obstructive cast in the nephron can you
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identify a vancomycin cast by any of the
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optical techniques you have described
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very good question me I have not seen
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that I have looked in cases I've
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suspected it
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I believe Juan Carlos Velez maybe has
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and I think he may have actually posted
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that online or may have had a abstract
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about that but for me personally I have
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not seen it I'm I'm not sure what the
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specific findings would be that you
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could have reassurance that's what
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you're looking at so if I may comment
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that this was discussed at glumly con by
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the group at Houston Methodist by dr.
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Sookie Antoine long probably a year ago
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and they have reported cases or finding
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crystals in the biopsy of patients with
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01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:50,220
vancomycin nephrotoxicity the French
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have also reported the same and they
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look exhaustively at Union serving
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