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- [Narrator] On the
17th of June, 2015,
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Charleston in South
Carolina saw one
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of the worst racially
motivated killings
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in recent American history.
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Nine black worshipers
were shot dead
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during a prayer meeting
at this downtown church.
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The killer was identified as
21 year old white supremacist
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Dylann Roof.
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He confessed to
committing the massacre
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in the hope of
igniting a race war.
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All of America was shocked
but in the southern state,
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where race has been an
issue for centuries,
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the shooting also triggered
a passionate argument
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about the past.
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Much of it focused on the
Confederate battle flag.
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For many, the very
symbol of racism and hate
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but what is it about the
past that stokes the flames
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of racism here?
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That's the question
that interests me
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because it seems
that the bedrock
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of the southern
states of America,
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the old, confederate,
deep south is,
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deep down, more than
a little Scottish.
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- He lifted the blazing emblem.
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The fiery cross of
old Scotland's hill.
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It would become the most
identifiable symbols
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of race hatred, of
the Ku Klux Klan.
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- I think that white southerners
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do think of themselves as Celts.
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It is absolutely a
core idea for a lot
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of these white
supremacist groups
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including the original
Klan which of course
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was thinking of
Scottish clans with a C
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when they called themselves
the Ku Klux Klan with a K.
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- I've spent a lot
of time celebrating
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the legacy of
Scots who left home
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and helped lay the foundations
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of the United States of America.
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When they arrived here,
they had the chance
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to create something
new, something perfect.
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A new world.
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A (mumbling) of the signatories
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of the Declaration of
Independence were Scots.
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The pursuit of happiness,
the most famous part
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of the declaration is
arguably a Scottish idea
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but the new world is not perfect
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and I want to find out why.
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If the Scots had
a significant hand
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in conjuring the American dream,
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to what extent were
they also responsible
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for the nightmare?
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That ugliest of stains.
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The bloody, violent
history of race hatred
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that blights
America to this day.
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I'm traveling over 2,000 miles
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of the southern
states of America.
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It's somewhere I've
never been before
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and I'm going to explore how
early Scottish immigration
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evolved and see whether it's had
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an enduring impact on
race relations here.
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This seems like a
natural place to start
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as I'm told it's living evidence
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of the Scots that
originally settled here.
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I'm in Greenville
in South Carolina
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on the eve of an
annual gathering
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for the highland games.
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I can hear the pipes.
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Must be Scottish people here.
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- Come on people,
let's hear you!
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- We're Scottish American.
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- Okay, you do the
Scottish parts?
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- We do tonight,
yes, absolutely.
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- You claim Scottish descent?
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- Yes.
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- If you were to score
yourself out of 10
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as a Scot, what numbers
would you give yourself?
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- Today, a 10.
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- I have a four year old.
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If I could get him out
here, he's still scared
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of bagpipes, but as soon
as I can get him over that
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it'll be fantastic.
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- He's scared of bagpipes.
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That's a worrying,
oh, there we go.
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The next day at the games proper
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I asked yet more
(mumbling) Scots
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what they thought of the effect
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of Scottish migration
to the states.
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- They influenced everything.
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The first governor
of South Carolina
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was a boy from Oxfordshire
and he very quickly
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wanted state laws that reflected
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the way things were
back in Scotland.
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(cheering)
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- Some historians will tell you
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to look at the Confederate
flag from the civil war,
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very similar to St.
Andrews in terms of design
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and they see a connection there
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because it was a lot
of Scottish heritage
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in those early days.
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- Coming from a place
where you weren't allowed
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to have your own
land and you felt
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you were kept down
by the landlords.
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The first thing you do when
you get here is buy slaves.
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There's a kind of disjuncture
there isn't there?
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Greenville's not unique.
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All over the south
I'm finding people
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who keep to describe themselves
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or their ancestors as Scottish.
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How and why did the
Scots arrive here
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and what does that tell
us about the nature
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of the south today?
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I found one man who
has written extensively
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on trans-Atlantic immigration.
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Barry Vann has
studied the subject
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in the United States and the UK.
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He brought me to
one of the peaks
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of the Blue Ridge
Mountains in Virginia
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to look down on the
great Appalachian Valley
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that most of the early
Scottish settlers
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would have passed through
during the 18th century.
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- They were going to
the frontier, looking
for cheap land.
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Ran into those mountains.
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They couldn't go north
because that land
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was already occupied
and they couldn't
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go over the mountains
because it was too difficult
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to get over them and
they were probably
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hostile natives over
there so they came
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down the valleys this way.
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- It's such a massive
undertaking for these people.
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What's driving it?
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- One was economic
because they were coming
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from a place where the
lands that they had farmed
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for generations were no
longer available to them
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'cause they weren't
able to afford
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the money rent that was
required to stay on those lands
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but here they
could acquire lands
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and become their own lords.
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In lot of respects,
they were trying
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to recreate the
imagined Scotland
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that they had back there
but they wanted it here
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because they had more resources.
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Look at those beautiful
trees, water was plentiful.
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Nice longer growing seasons.
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This was a bountiful place.
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This was the Scotland
that they had imagined.
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- Scotland 2.0.
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- That's right.
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- It's the upgrade.
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- The upgrade, absolutely.
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- [Host] But it wasn't just
the prospect of a better future
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that drew Scots to what they
called the back country.
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They were tempted here
because of the reputation
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as fighting folk.
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Recruited to help
defend the coastal areas
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already settled by the English
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from native Americans
and the French.
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- They wanted them to
go to the back country,
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to this part of the state
or colony at that time
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and to be a buffer zone
against potential invasion.
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This is probably the oldest
part of the cemetery right here
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and these are some of
the founding families,
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second generation.
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- Down in the valley
lies the resting place
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of many of those early
frontiers people.
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Yeah, look at that,
Scott, Kirkpatrick, Bell.
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They came from Scotland
and from Alston
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and they quickly
exceeded the number
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of English settlers
in the south.
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Next to the
graveyard, we can see
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what united these newcomers.
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This church is built on the site
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of one of the earliest
Presbyterian places
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of worship in the area.
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Were they a happy
lot, do you think,
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or were they coming in with lots
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of emotional and
religious baggage
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on account of the old
country they had left behind?
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- When they got here,
they were interested
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in acquiring land
and they also knew
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that they were gonna be
facing potential hostiles
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and so they were not
necessarily coming here
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with an open hand saying
we wanna be friends.
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They came here for the most part
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interested in
farming if they could
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and they wanted to live in
strategically important places.
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That's why we call
them today hillbillies
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and hilltoppers
because they wanted
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to live up in the hills
where they could see
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the enemy coming.
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- For those Presbyterians,
who were the enemy?
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Who was it they
thought was gonna come
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and attack them on their hills?
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- Anybody who wasn't them.
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It could be the
English because they
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had a history of conflict
with the English.
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They had a history of
conflict with the Catholics.
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They had a history of conflict
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with almost anybody who was
not dissenting if you will.
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- Some of those
settlers, confident
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about who they were
and just as importantly
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who they weren't strode out
into the untamed back country
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moving further south and
west with each generation.
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But at the end of
the 18th century,
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the settlers simply way of life
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was transformed by something
that changed the course
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of this part of America forever.
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It was the arrival of cotton.
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To the frontier farmers,
the economics were simple.
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Cotton was a cash crop that
brought relatively easy money.
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It also offered an
easy life as long
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as those picking the
cotton were slaves.
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As the cotton industry
grew, so did slavery.
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By 1810, the number
of slaves in the US
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rose to 1.2 million,
almost double
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what it was 20 years earlier.
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Now, the descendants
of many oppressed
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and downtrodden refugee
Scots took the path
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of racism to become
oppressors themselves
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and their simple
farmhouses became
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increasingly grand
plantation houses.
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Like this one, built in
1851 just outside Charleston
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by William Wallace McCleod.
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He owned one of the largest
plantations in South Carolina
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but like many, he
never forgot his roots.
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He called the grand
house Inverness.
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The impression
planters wanted to give
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was one of affluence and
the most striking display
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of wealth at that
time was measured
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by the number of slave cabins
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that lined the
drive to the house.
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Here there were 23.
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I asked Heather Williams
to show me around.
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Not only is she an
expert in slavery
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in the south but she's known
this place for some time.
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- When I first
came to this place,
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for me it was a really
powerful sense of the past.
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The cabins, it seemed
as though slavery
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has just ended one
day and everybody
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had packed up and left
and that I had been,
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in a sense, transported
back to that time period,
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the late 1860's.
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In order for a
society to survive
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you need the top
people who think
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and then you have the
people who do the work.
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This is what James
Henry Hammond said.
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He was a senator
from South Carolina,
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governor and so on.
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You need a mud seal,
he said, in the society
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and we have found
them in these Africans
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who are so well-suited
to do the work
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that we don't want to do.
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(downbeat music)
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They were legally owned.
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They could be sold,
they could be traded,
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they could be given away,
they could be mortgaged.
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People could transfer them.
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There was this perpetual sense
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that they would be punished
if they didn't adhere
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to the rules of the place.
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- So would this be
about as good as it gets
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for enslaved people?
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- Yeah, I think, I've
seen cabins made of brick
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which might have kept
people a little bit warmer
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in the winter.
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I would think that
there would be
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at least six, seven
people in here.
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- William Wallace
McCleod enslaved up
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to a hundred people
on his plantation
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while he lived the life
of undoubted privilege.
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Being here in a place where
slavery actually happened,
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I have to admit I'm
filled for the first time
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with feelings of disbelief
at the surreal nature
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of the life that those elite
whites chose for themselves.
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How you get to the point
where you can enjoy a life
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that is composed of people
who are your captives
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who are around you
in great numbers
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every minute of the day, doing
things against their will
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for no pay, they cook your food,
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they work in the fields,
they fix up the house.
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If it's a cold night,
you would order one
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of them to lie across
your feet on your bed
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so that you are warm.
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At what point does
living like that
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feel in any sense normal?
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And it was another Scot
who provided the bomb
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that made all this
seem legitimate.
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By the mid 1800's,
almost every house
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like this would
have contained some
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of the many romantic
novels of Sir Walter Scott.
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Scott's stories
of gallant knights
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and brave highlanders
set in a golden,
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mythical past were
wildly popular
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but according to the
American writer Mark Twain
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they merely fed this
fantasy lifestyle.
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Twain felt the planters
were modeling their lives
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on Scott's romantic
vision of the old country,
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imagining themselves as
lairds of their own clan.
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He wrote that the
civilization of the south
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in the 19th century
is curiously confused
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and co-mingled with
the Walter Scott
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middle age sham civilization.
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The inflated speech and
the Georgian romanticism
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of an upset past that is
dead and like a charity,
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ought to be buried.
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- I think that for
many people it felt
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as though it was something
they were entitled to
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and I think that
sense of entitlement
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then passed from
generation to generation.
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This sense that you are supposed
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to have more than other people
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and that some people
are supposed to serve
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and you are to be served.
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- Twain also thought that
Scott's heroic romanticism
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was partly responsible for the
terrible war that followed.
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The northern states had wanted
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to limit the
expansion of slavery
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just as the worldwide demand
for cotton was booming.
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Southern state planters
like William McCleod
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saw their whole
lifestyle threatened
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and were willing
to fight for it.
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In 1861, the 11 slave states
with cotton based economies
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left the union and a
horrific four year war began.
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(guns firing)
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Now, 150 years
later, people flock
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to see the Civil
War as entertainment
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and living history
groups meet regularly
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to replay the battles
again and again.
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This one is at Fort
Hollingsworth in Georgia
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where reenactors from all
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over the southern
states take part.
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What is it important to remember
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by taking part in and watching
a reenactment like this?
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- It's important to make sure
that the people understand
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that what the
history is all about.
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It's important that
they remember that this
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is something that their
ancestors fought for
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and something that's
actually a part of them.
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This is something that they
were born ingrained with
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and they should remember that.
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- What does define
the ancestors?
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- They didn't leave any
of their culture behind.
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They just brought it here
and used that culture
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and created something
completely new.
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Even from the way we talk.
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Even down to the patterns
in their clothes.
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When the Scots came here they
brought with them the tartans.
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- Our way of life
is probably closer
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to those in Scotland
that are now
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in this part of the country.
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We held on to a lot of
their ways, I think we did.
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I think we did.
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- [Host] What was lost
when the war was lost?
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- The way we lived, actually.
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They had plantations, a lot
of folks had plantations
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and a lot of wealth and a lot
of that was lost in the south.
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They had to go back
and start life over.
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- America's Civil War was
immensely destructive.
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Well over half a
million soldiers died
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and much of the south's
infrastructure was ruined.
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For many whites,
the greatest fear
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of all had just come true.
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The enslaved were now free.
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Not only that, but black
men could also vote
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just as the vengeful north
took away the right to vote
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for those that supported
the Confederacy.
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Like the Jacobites in Scotland
a hundred years earlier,
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the southern whites
had lost everything
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but now they too had a
lost cause to believe in.
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That lost cause found
its footing here
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in the neat streets of
Pulaski in Tennessee.
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This is where things first
started to turn ugly.
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I've come to meet local
historian Bob Wamble
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to find out what
happened in the town
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after the end of the Civil War.
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Bob, when the war was over
and the soldiers came back
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what did they find
here in Pulaski?
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- Right here in
town where we are,
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they found a courthouse and
that was pretty much it.
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This entire side of the square
was burned to the ground.
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It was done by Union soldiers
that were stationed here.
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There were all these
Confederate soldiers
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that came home and had nothing.
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If they had owned a
business before the war
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it was gone, it was
burnt to the ground.
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They had no government,
they had no law really.
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Anybody that had supported
the Confederacy couldn't vote.
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Any law that was here, they
didn't have a part of it.
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- [Host] So they were
effectively aliens
in their own town.
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- [Bob] Yes, this was their home
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but it wasn't their government.
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- The destruction
here was typical
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of many towns in the
south but this town
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has a claim to fame that
it would rather forget.
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One group of former
Confederate officers
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bold and fearful of the future
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now that black man had the vote,
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set up a secret
fraternal society.
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They drew on ancient Greek
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and their Scottish
heritage for the name.
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They called it the Ku Klux Klan.
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- This is the spot where
the Klan was formed.
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The Ku Klux Klan
was six young men,
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met right here in this office
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and decided that they wanted
to form an organization.
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This is a plaque showing
this to people of Pulaski
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and they were proud
of the Ku Klux Klan.
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The plaque is turned backwards.
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About probably 20,
25 years ago ...
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- [Host] Oh, it's got
its face to the wall now.
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- It's face is to the wall.
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The man that owned this building
turned it around like that.
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- So what's on the other
side of the plaque?
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- Well it lists the
names of the young men
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that formed the Ku Klux Klan.
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I have a copy of it right here.
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- [Host] These are
the key players.
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- Alvin Jones, John B. Kennedy.
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- Frank O. McCord,
John C. Lester,
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Richard R. Reed
and James R. Crowe.
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- They were all
Confederate soldiers
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that had just come
home just really
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didn't have anything
better to do
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than to form an organization
just for amusement.
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They played their
musical instruments
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and sang songs and went out
and serenaded the girls.
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They were out hunting all
the pretty girls of Pulaski.
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- [Host] Is that really all
it was in its first form?
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- Its very first stages,
that's all it was.
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- This photograph,
discovered by Bob,
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is thought to show Frank McCord
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and the rest of
the original Klan.
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It was John B. Kennedy
who apparently suggested
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that they should call
themselves a clan
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as they were all of
Scotch Irish descent.
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Some of them were
educated obviously
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because the drawing on
Greek, kuklos is a circle
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and a clan is a family group
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that shares some kind of
blood or a name, a surname.
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I think there's
an intention there
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to declare yourself as a group
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that will stand shoulder to
shoulder against outsiders.
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Pulaski has another revelation.
447
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Tucked behind this store front
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is a small scale opera house.
449
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A good place, it
seems, to understand
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how the Klan moved from
make believe to reality
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according to author and
academic Elaine Frantz Parsons.
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Amazing, look at that.
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- [Elaine] For a town this
size, it is impressive.
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- [Host] Created in 1867,
almost exactly the same time
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as the Klan, this theater
gives us a fascinating insight
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into what might have
influenced them.
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- They're trying to
figure out who they are
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and they're really interested
particularly in culture.
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They don't have power anymore.
460
00:24:05,545 --> 00:24:07,680
They don't have
politics but maybe
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they can keep culture or
they can create a culture
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00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:12,051
that means something.
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Particularly pretending they
were in a different time
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and place pretending
they were in the world
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of Sir Walter Scott I
think was very attractive.
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- Just a couple of
years after the war,
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they embark on this and it's all
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about theatrical
and make believe.
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Was that in forming
the Klan as well?
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Was it about the
costumes and pretend?
471
00:24:32,071 --> 00:24:33,372
- Yeah, I think that's
a really good way
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00:24:33,372 --> 00:24:35,007
to think about it actually,
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that the world, the real
world, wasn't something
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that they necessarily wanted
to spend a lot of time in.
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I think that part
of what happened
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is that they realized
that this play
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that they were doing
could be brought to bare
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on this competition,
this problem
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that they were having with
black claims to rights.
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If you were in the 19th century
481
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and you're going to the theater,
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a lot of the time you were
going to a minstrel show
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and the minstrel show wasn't all
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about making fun of black people
485
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but that was an important
part of the minstrel show
486
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and so part of what
the Klan wanted to do
487
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was to force black
people into situations
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where they looked
ludicrous or ridiculous
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and what better way to do that
490
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than pretend like
you're a monster
491
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and attack them and
then tell everybody
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how scared they were
by this monster.
493
00:25:24,957 --> 00:25:28,961
- What flicks the switch
from it being make believe,
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harmless, costumes, music,
what flicks the switch
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and turns it into
something sinister?
496
00:25:35,301 --> 00:25:38,470
- We know that Frank
McCord was trying
497
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to get up a mob during the time
498
00:25:41,774 --> 00:25:44,210
that the Klan seemed to
have nothing to do with it,
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00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:47,614
he is also interested
in racial violence.
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- The Klan soon moved
on from theatricalities
501
00:25:52,118 --> 00:25:54,453
and threats, it
became more violent
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00:25:54,453 --> 00:25:56,823
and better organized.
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At the nearby state
museum in Nashville,
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they have one of the
few remaining documents
505
00:26:00,793 --> 00:26:02,361
from that time.
506
00:26:02,361 --> 00:26:06,298
What is in effect the
Klan's constitution.
507
00:26:06,298 --> 00:26:09,669
It's a tiny little
sliver of a thing.
508
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:13,072
- So this is one of the
few remaining copies
509
00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:17,076
of what was the constitution
of the Ku Klux Klan
510
00:26:18,477 --> 00:26:21,580
and you'll see at the front
this is the constitution
511
00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,783
which they called the prescript.
512
00:26:23,783 --> 00:26:25,718
The prescript of
the star, star, star
513
00:26:25,718 --> 00:26:29,321
which is what they used
to stand for Ku Klux Klan.
514
00:26:29,321 --> 00:26:31,824
Then you have some
Shakespearean verse
515
00:26:31,824 --> 00:26:35,227
and then down here we have Burns
516
00:26:35,227 --> 00:26:38,798
so you can see the
Scottish influence here.
517
00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:43,870
- And then the Burns is
about a certain ghoul,
518
00:26:43,870 --> 00:26:46,773
a certain ghost is
around and drinking.
519
00:26:46,773 --> 00:26:49,608
We'll send him linking
to your black pit
520
00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:51,778
but faith he'll turn
a corner jinking
521
00:26:51,778 --> 00:26:53,345
and cheat you yet.
522
00:26:53,345 --> 00:26:55,848
So both are about
things macabre.
523
00:26:55,848 --> 00:26:58,317
- Yes, but they're
also high culture.
524
00:26:58,317 --> 00:27:01,587
They're saying we aren't
just a bunch of hayseeds.
525
00:27:01,587 --> 00:27:03,089
- It makes you wonder
what Robert Burns himself
526
00:27:03,089 --> 00:27:04,356
would have thought had he known
527
00:27:04,356 --> 00:27:05,692
that some of his verse
was gonna be included
528
00:27:05,692 --> 00:27:07,493
in such a document.
529
00:27:07,493 --> 00:27:09,729
You know the man that rights
a man's a man for all that
530
00:27:09,729 --> 00:27:12,098
to then find one of his verses
531
00:27:12,098 --> 00:27:15,434
publicizing the
aspirations of a society
532
00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:19,305
like the Ku Klux Klan.
533
00:27:21,373 --> 00:27:24,210
The Klan now had
rules and roles.
534
00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:26,578
It had become a
serious organization,
535
00:27:26,578 --> 00:27:29,481
an invisible army
dedicated to reestablishing
536
00:27:29,481 --> 00:27:32,251
the status of the
southern whites
537
00:27:35,521 --> 00:27:37,924
and this is what the
Klan looked like.
538
00:27:37,924 --> 00:27:39,726
This is an exact replica of one
539
00:27:39,726 --> 00:27:43,830
of the original outfits
they wore in Pulaski.
540
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:46,766
You can see how
frightening that would be
541
00:27:46,766 --> 00:27:48,768
if somebody appeared
out of the dark
542
00:27:48,768 --> 00:27:50,236
dressed like that.
543
00:27:50,236 --> 00:27:52,404
- Absolutely terrifying.
544
00:27:52,404 --> 00:27:54,673
It's important to note
these were not uniforms.
545
00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:56,308
These were costumes.
546
00:27:56,308 --> 00:27:57,910
These are expressing
a cultural thing.
547
00:27:57,910 --> 00:27:59,879
They're not expressing
that they're,
548
00:27:59,879 --> 00:28:02,949
it's not an army-like uniform.
549
00:28:02,949 --> 00:28:05,051
This is a very chaotic mask.
550
00:28:05,051 --> 00:28:08,620
Maybe this colorful
thread up here,
551
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:12,191
this red thread used to
put this black eyebrow on,
552
00:28:12,191 --> 00:28:14,226
that seems like it's
deliberate, right,
553
00:28:14,226 --> 00:28:17,396
you're meant to see how
sloppily made this was.
554
00:28:17,396 --> 00:28:18,664
- Imagine if you
opened your front door
555
00:28:18,664 --> 00:28:19,999
and that character
was standing there
556
00:28:19,999 --> 00:28:22,468
brandishing a
weapon or whatever.
557
00:28:22,468 --> 00:28:25,237
- Yeah, no, it's
very terrifying.
558
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:41,821
- In Pulaski, the Klan
became increasingly popular
559
00:28:41,821 --> 00:28:43,522
with the white population.
560
00:28:43,522 --> 00:28:46,725
News spread, especially
as Frank McCord's brother
561
00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:50,462
ran the local newspaper,
The Pulaski Citizen.
562
00:28:51,563 --> 00:28:53,332
The stories printed
in the Citizen
563
00:28:53,332 --> 00:28:55,301
helped publicize the Klan
564
00:28:55,301 --> 00:28:57,436
and reassured the
white population
565
00:28:57,436 --> 00:28:59,171
that something was being done
566
00:28:59,171 --> 00:29:03,242
to keep the former
slaves in their place.
567
00:29:03,242 --> 00:29:05,677
Many potential black
voters received crude
568
00:29:05,677 --> 00:29:08,347
and menacing messages
like this letter
569
00:29:08,347 --> 00:29:12,518
from a Ku Klux ghost ordering
them which way to vote.
570
00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:17,156
Other copycat Klans
were soon formed
571
00:29:17,156 --> 00:29:19,491
by more bored and
better southerners
572
00:29:19,491 --> 00:29:22,394
in nearby states only now,
573
00:29:22,394 --> 00:29:26,966
the theatricalities had
turned very ugly indeed.
574
00:29:26,966 --> 00:29:29,401
- Groups of white
men would come out
575
00:29:29,401 --> 00:29:32,238
in the evening to
a home, a cabin,
576
00:29:33,539 --> 00:29:35,507
and find the man
of the house there,
577
00:29:35,507 --> 00:29:38,077
take him from his home, and then
578
00:29:38,077 --> 00:29:40,346
they would either
whip them to try
579
00:29:40,346 --> 00:29:42,882
to tell them to
change their behavior,
580
00:29:42,882 --> 00:29:45,651
to punish them for something
that they had apparently done,
581
00:29:45,651 --> 00:29:47,820
or they would kill that person.
582
00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:49,521
Kill them either
by shooting them
583
00:29:49,521 --> 00:29:51,123
or by hanging them.
584
00:29:54,026 --> 00:29:55,727
What happened when
the Klan spread
585
00:29:55,727 --> 00:29:58,898
was that existing
white on black violence
586
00:29:58,898 --> 00:30:02,801
which was pervasive
throughout the south already,
587
00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:06,172
that that comes to be
called Klan violence
588
00:30:06,172 --> 00:30:09,475
and when it comes to
be called Klan violence
589
00:30:09,475 --> 00:30:10,642
it gets worse.
590
00:30:11,743 --> 00:30:13,645
People have an
additional impetus,
591
00:30:13,645 --> 00:30:16,048
they feel like they're part
of a collective project.
592
00:30:16,048 --> 00:30:18,350
They're doing something
for the south.
593
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:21,854
They're not just some guy
attacking their black neighbor
594
00:30:21,854 --> 00:30:24,957
who's competing with
them for property rights.
595
00:30:24,957 --> 00:30:27,793
They are now a
Klans or a Ku Klux.
596
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,335
- By the late 1860's,
a reign of terror
597
00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:40,506
existed throughout much
of the former Confederacy.
598
00:30:50,682 --> 00:30:52,384
By the time the
federal government
599
00:30:52,384 --> 00:30:55,154
had brought in legislation
against the Klan,
600
00:30:55,154 --> 00:30:58,190
much of the groups work
had already been done.
601
00:30:58,190 --> 00:31:02,128
Violence had successfully kept
most blacks from the polls
602
00:31:02,128 --> 00:31:04,796
and the few that had
taken up any civic office
603
00:31:04,796 --> 00:31:08,234
had already been
brutally beaten or hung.
604
00:31:14,806 --> 00:31:17,910
With the black population
now successfully terrorized,
605
00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:19,912
white state government
brought in laws
606
00:31:19,912 --> 00:31:22,081
that segregated the races.
607
00:31:25,017 --> 00:31:27,954
They were mockingly
known as Jim Crow laws
608
00:31:27,954 --> 00:31:31,523
after a black character
in a minstrel show.
609
00:31:34,226 --> 00:31:37,663
Now, living separate
lives, the white population
610
00:31:37,663 --> 00:31:39,831
of the southern states relaxed,
611
00:31:39,831 --> 00:31:43,102
less fearful of those
who were not them
612
00:31:44,270 --> 00:31:47,406
except the fear never
really went away.
613
00:31:56,048 --> 00:31:59,585
This is Atlanta, now the
bustling modern business hub
614
00:31:59,585 --> 00:32:01,020
of the deep south.
615
00:32:02,188 --> 00:32:04,690
In the early 1900's,
it was also the place
616
00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:07,659
where the Klan was reborn.
617
00:32:07,659 --> 00:32:10,029
We might never have
heard from the Klan again
618
00:32:10,029 --> 00:32:13,432
but for the efforts of
one man, Thomas Dixon.
619
00:32:13,432 --> 00:32:14,866
He wrote this book.
620
00:32:14,866 --> 00:32:17,970
It published in 1905 and in it,
621
00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:20,572
he transformed the
members of the Klan
622
00:32:20,572 --> 00:32:22,741
from villains into heroes.
623
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:26,578
Dixon was born in
North Carolina.
624
00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:30,949
The son of a Scotch minister
and plantation owner.
625
00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:33,752
He went on to become a
southern Baptist minister,
626
00:32:33,752 --> 00:32:35,354
lawyer, and author.
627
00:32:38,057 --> 00:32:42,228
His novel was called
The Clansman and it
was a big seller.
628
00:32:43,662 --> 00:32:47,733
It was subtitled An Historical
Romance of the Ku Klux Klan
629
00:32:49,201 --> 00:32:53,305
and it imagined a future where
the racial divide is reverse
630
00:32:54,506 --> 00:32:57,776
and it is the white
man that is in chains.
631
00:32:59,611 --> 00:33:01,313
Now I'm sure if you
were to take the time
632
00:33:01,313 --> 00:33:03,449
to weave through this
tome, you would agree
633
00:33:03,449 --> 00:33:05,951
that it's pretty dreadful.
634
00:33:05,951 --> 00:33:08,354
I offer you part of one chapter
635
00:33:08,354 --> 00:33:12,524
in which Dixon imagines
a future for America
636
00:33:12,524 --> 00:33:15,661
in which the black
man is in charge.
637
00:33:15,661 --> 00:33:17,796
As he passed inside
the doors of the house
638
00:33:17,796 --> 00:33:21,067
of representatives, the rush
of foul air staggered him.
639
00:33:21,067 --> 00:33:22,834
The hall was packed with negroes
640
00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:26,672
smoking, chewing, jabbering,
pushing, perspiring.
641
00:33:26,672 --> 00:33:29,141
The doctor surveyed
the hall in dismay.
642
00:33:29,141 --> 00:33:31,810
At first, not a white
member was visible.
643
00:33:31,810 --> 00:33:33,779
The galleries were
packed with negroes.
644
00:33:33,779 --> 00:33:35,847
The speaker presiding
was a negro.
645
00:33:35,847 --> 00:33:37,449
The clerk, a negro.
646
00:33:37,449 --> 00:33:39,185
The doorkeepers, negroes.
647
00:33:39,185 --> 00:33:42,454
The little pages all
coal black negroes.
648
00:33:42,454 --> 00:33:44,290
The remains of
aryan civilization
649
00:33:44,290 --> 00:33:47,025
were represented by 23 white men
650
00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:50,028
from the Scotch
Irish hill counties.
651
00:33:54,366 --> 00:33:55,767
When the book was published,
652
00:33:55,767 --> 00:33:57,869
it caused a literary explosion
653
00:33:57,869 --> 00:34:00,406
and when it transferred
to the stage as a play
654
00:34:00,406 --> 00:34:03,542
it provoked riots,
not just in this city
655
00:34:03,542 --> 00:34:05,444
but all across America.
656
00:34:09,248 --> 00:34:11,483
When the play premiered
at the Grand Opera House
657
00:34:11,483 --> 00:34:14,386
here in Atlanta in
October of 1905,
658
00:34:14,386 --> 00:34:17,823
the segregated
audience went wild.
659
00:34:17,823 --> 00:34:20,359
Tom Rice has studied
what happened.
660
00:34:20,359 --> 00:34:22,594
- The reports stressed
that the house lights
661
00:34:22,594 --> 00:34:25,364
were kept on, that the
sell of soda bottles
662
00:34:25,364 --> 00:34:26,865
was prohibited because
they were worried
663
00:34:26,865 --> 00:34:30,202
they were gonna get
hurled around the theater.
664
00:34:30,202 --> 00:34:33,605
Absolutely had tapped
into this culture
665
00:34:33,605 --> 00:34:37,109
of fear, these anxieties
about racial integration
666
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:40,246
and race relations that
were really prevalent
667
00:34:40,246 --> 00:34:44,216
in Atlanta and across
the south at this moment.
668
00:34:44,216 --> 00:34:46,118
- [Host] Dixon took
his Scottish heritage
669
00:34:46,118 --> 00:34:48,086
and paraded it in his work.
670
00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:50,156
Inside the front
cover of his novel,
671
00:34:50,156 --> 00:34:52,191
the dedication
reads to the memory
672
00:34:52,191 --> 00:34:54,626
of a Scotch Irish
leader of the south,
673
00:34:54,626 --> 00:34:57,363
my uncle, Colonel Leroy McAfee,
674
00:34:57,363 --> 00:35:01,400
grand titan of the invisible
empire, Ku Klux Klan
675
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,371
and it's not the only
reference to a Scottish past.
676
00:35:05,371 --> 00:35:07,072
- Clearly the title The Clansman
677
00:35:07,072 --> 00:35:09,708
does make a connection with
the Scottish roots here.
678
00:35:09,708 --> 00:35:11,277
We can see it even in the title
679
00:35:11,277 --> 00:35:13,679
of the main family
here, the Cameron's.
680
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:15,181
It was settled by
the Scotch folk
681
00:35:15,181 --> 00:35:16,682
who came from the
north of Ireland,
682
00:35:16,682 --> 00:35:19,751
the great migrations which
gave America 300,000 people
683
00:35:19,751 --> 00:35:21,487
of covenants and martyr blood,
684
00:35:21,487 --> 00:35:23,088
the largest and most
important addition
685
00:35:23,088 --> 00:35:24,323
to our population.
686
00:35:24,323 --> 00:35:26,625
He's really thinking
about the makeup
687
00:35:26,625 --> 00:35:29,561
of the American south
and of this area
688
00:35:29,561 --> 00:35:31,763
but internal so of the Klan,
689
00:35:31,763 --> 00:35:34,433
of what would create
the Ku Klux Klan here.
690
00:35:34,433 --> 00:35:36,668
High above his head in
the darkness of the cave,
691
00:35:36,668 --> 00:35:38,570
he lifted the blazing emblem.
692
00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:40,906
The fiery cross of
old Scotland's hill.
693
00:35:40,906 --> 00:35:43,242
I quench its flames
in the sweetest blood
694
00:35:43,242 --> 00:35:45,944
that ever stained
the sands of time.
695
00:35:45,944 --> 00:35:47,246
And here we've got
the fiery cross.
696
00:35:47,246 --> 00:35:49,915
This is not a feature
of the original Klan.
697
00:35:49,915 --> 00:35:52,017
It's created here by Dixon.
698
00:35:52,017 --> 00:35:55,454
It would become one of the
most identifiable symbols
699
00:35:55,454 --> 00:35:58,390
of race hatred, of
the Ku Klux Klan
700
00:35:59,625 --> 00:36:02,261
and it's still today
widely identified
701
00:36:02,261 --> 00:36:04,963
with the Klan and
here he's saying,
702
00:36:04,963 --> 00:36:07,098
this is the fiery cross
of old Scotland's hills.
703
00:36:07,098 --> 00:36:11,270
It's creating a history and
a heritage for this here.
704
00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:15,907
- The full impact
of Dixon's novel
705
00:36:15,907 --> 00:36:18,510
was felt much more
widely when 10 years
706
00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:21,780
after its publication it
was released as a film
707
00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:24,950
touted then and still lauded now
708
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:26,885
as an epic of its time.
709
00:36:30,222 --> 00:36:32,057
The Birth of a Nation directed
710
00:36:32,057 --> 00:36:34,560
by Hollywood superstar
D.W. Griffith
711
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,563
let Dixon's work reach
a much bigger audience
712
00:36:37,563 --> 00:36:39,631
and it was a massive hit.
713
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:44,102
The budget was huge
and the direction
714
00:36:44,102 --> 00:36:46,204
was groundbreaking but the story
715
00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:48,707
was as racist as Dixon's book.
716
00:36:59,351 --> 00:37:01,653
Charlene Regester
is a film academic
717
00:37:01,653 --> 00:37:04,022
and remembers her
first reaction.
718
00:37:04,022 --> 00:37:07,058
- I saw Birth of a Nation
when I was a graduate student.
719
00:37:07,058 --> 00:37:08,794
Of course some of the
scenes that we saw
720
00:37:08,794 --> 00:37:11,229
were very inflammatory.
721
00:37:11,229 --> 00:37:14,065
They showed us
alleged rape scene.
722
00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:19,438
The scene where Gus
is chasing the woman
723
00:37:19,438 --> 00:37:23,108
who jumps off the
cliff onto the ground
724
00:37:23,108 --> 00:37:25,844
and so it was very
offensive then
725
00:37:27,045 --> 00:37:29,981
and it's probably still
equally offensive today.
726
00:37:29,981 --> 00:37:32,518
It was a racially incisive story
727
00:37:32,518 --> 00:37:34,486
and it was about
black male predators,
728
00:37:34,486 --> 00:37:38,056
black male racists, it
was about miscegenation
729
00:37:38,056 --> 00:37:39,958
and it was about
the Ku Klux Klan
730
00:37:39,958 --> 00:37:42,694
rescuing the south
and white supremacy
731
00:37:42,694 --> 00:37:45,931
and I think all of
the variables together
732
00:37:45,931 --> 00:37:47,999
is what made it so volatile.
733
00:37:47,999 --> 00:37:52,170
- Did the film work as a
PR exercising for the Klan?
734
00:37:53,939 --> 00:37:56,174
- It certainly made
them almost appear
735
00:37:56,174 --> 00:37:58,243
as though they're
heroic and also
736
00:37:58,243 --> 00:38:00,078
at the end of the
film they have one
737
00:38:00,078 --> 00:38:04,182
of the white characters who
unveils as a Klan member.
738
00:38:05,751 --> 00:38:07,619
They're making them look
like they're the saviors
739
00:38:07,619 --> 00:38:10,489
of the day, they
saved the south,
740
00:38:10,489 --> 00:38:14,660
and certainly coincided with
the rise of the Ku Klux Klan.
741
00:38:17,963 --> 00:38:20,031
I think it glamorized the Klan
742
00:38:20,031 --> 00:38:23,602
and made it a desirable
organization to belong to
743
00:38:23,602 --> 00:38:27,038
as a way of restoring
order and I guess
744
00:38:27,038 --> 00:38:30,542
of instituting white
supremacy nationwide.
745
00:38:34,279 --> 00:38:37,449
- [Host] Just outside Atlanta,
soaring out of the landscape
746
00:38:37,449 --> 00:38:41,252
is a curious monolith
called Stone Mountain.
747
00:38:41,252 --> 00:38:43,555
Carved on its side
is a vast memorial
748
00:38:43,555 --> 00:38:47,225
to the Confederate
leaders of the Civil War.
749
00:38:49,628 --> 00:38:51,162
- [Tour Host] Alright everybody.
750
00:38:51,162 --> 00:38:53,999
Now the mountaintop would be
about 350 million years old.
751
00:38:53,999 --> 00:38:55,333
Only a very small portion
752
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:58,103
of the mountain's
actually visible.
753
00:38:58,103 --> 00:39:00,706
- But long before the
carving was completed,
754
00:39:00,706 --> 00:39:02,608
people came here to pay homage
755
00:39:02,608 --> 00:39:04,342
to something that
happened directly
756
00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:06,945
as a result of Griffith's film.
757
00:39:08,980 --> 00:39:11,883
It turns out that that
film was a revelation
758
00:39:11,883 --> 00:39:14,986
for at least one cinema goer.
759
00:39:14,986 --> 00:39:16,888
It was a Methodist
preacher and his name
760
00:39:16,888 --> 00:39:18,757
was William Joseph
Simmons and he took all
761
00:39:18,757 --> 00:39:20,225
he'd seen and heard
and he brought it here
762
00:39:20,225 --> 00:39:22,394
to this mountaintop.
763
00:39:22,394 --> 00:39:23,895
He was accompanied that day,
764
00:39:23,895 --> 00:39:26,498
the eve of Thanksgiving in 1915
765
00:39:26,498 --> 00:39:28,967
with 15 like minded
souls and they had come
766
00:39:28,967 --> 00:39:30,869
for a bizarre ceremony.
767
00:39:32,037 --> 00:39:33,304
What they wanted
to do first of all
768
00:39:33,304 --> 00:39:35,841
was to build an altar.
769
00:39:35,841 --> 00:39:38,410
Once it was built, Simmons
placed three things
770
00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:39,911
on that altar.
771
00:39:39,911 --> 00:39:44,015
An American flag, a bible,
and a sword unsheathed.
772
00:39:45,417 --> 00:39:49,555
Then, he set fire to a
crudely made wooden cross.
773
00:39:49,555 --> 00:39:52,190
At that moment, he
declared himself to be,
774
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:56,728
get this, the imperial wizard
of the invisible empire
775
00:39:56,728 --> 00:39:59,931
of the Knights of
the Ku Klux Klan.
776
00:39:59,931 --> 00:40:04,102
The KKK was back but this time
the Klan would be different.
777
00:40:05,504 --> 00:40:09,040
It would be political, it
would be obsessed with power,
778
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,811
and most significantly
of all, it would be big.
779
00:40:12,811 --> 00:40:14,079
Very, very big.
780
00:40:17,315 --> 00:40:19,050
And with changing immigration,
781
00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:21,820
the Klan now had a whole
new range of targets
782
00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:25,223
they thought threatened the
lives of southern people.
783
00:40:25,223 --> 00:40:28,660
The new Klan's focus wasn't
just on black people.
784
00:40:28,660 --> 00:40:31,296
Jews, Catholics,
and Mexicans also
785
00:40:31,296 --> 00:40:34,232
became targets of
the organization.
786
00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:41,306
To get an insight
into this second Klan,
787
00:40:41,306 --> 00:40:44,510
I've come to the small estate
of author William Rawlings
788
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:48,580
just outside the town of
Sandersville in Georgia.
789
00:40:51,049 --> 00:40:54,085
- The Klan's mantra
at this time,
790
00:40:54,085 --> 00:40:56,321
its recruiting mantra
can be summed up
791
00:40:56,321 --> 00:40:58,824
as being 100% Americanism.
792
00:40:58,824 --> 00:41:01,493
Support of the
constitution, just laws,
793
00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:03,261
anti-immigration.
794
00:41:03,261 --> 00:41:05,764
People that joined the Klan
during the early 1920's
795
00:41:05,764 --> 00:41:08,199
joined not because
they had some agenda
796
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,669
but because the message
of the Klan was one
797
00:41:10,669 --> 00:41:12,470
we want to do the good
thing for America.
798
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,139
We want to perhaps keep
this immigrants out,
799
00:41:14,139 --> 00:41:16,542
these Chinese in
California, these Mexicans
800
00:41:16,542 --> 00:41:18,476
on the border states.
801
00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:21,980
- [Host] But the new Klan was
as oppressive as the first.
802
00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:25,050
- Say you live in a town
and the Klan is in the town
803
00:41:25,050 --> 00:41:26,552
and you don't know
who the members are
804
00:41:26,552 --> 00:41:29,020
but they may be your best
friends and they may not be.
805
00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:30,789
You don't know if the
policeman on the corner's
806
00:41:30,789 --> 00:41:32,057
a member of the Klan or perhaps
807
00:41:32,057 --> 00:41:33,625
your minister's a
member of the Klan
808
00:41:33,625 --> 00:41:35,761
and they liked it that way.
809
00:41:35,761 --> 00:41:37,663
They could go to a merchant
for example and say
810
00:41:37,663 --> 00:41:39,030
you know, we're the
Klan, we can tell people
811
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:41,099
not to trade with
you and the merchant
812
00:41:41,099 --> 00:41:43,101
would say gee, I better
support the Klan.
813
00:41:43,101 --> 00:41:45,270
You never knew how many people
were members of the Klan
814
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:48,073
and once they developed
the reputation
815
00:41:48,073 --> 00:41:50,441
for not only
intimidation but action
816
00:41:50,441 --> 00:41:52,010
then frequently
all they had to do
817
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:54,946
was simply say
we're watching you
818
00:41:54,946 --> 00:41:57,683
and that was all
that was needed.
819
00:41:57,683 --> 00:41:58,984
- [Host] Clan violence directly
820
00:41:58,984 --> 00:42:01,987
effected William
Rawling's family.
821
00:42:01,987 --> 00:42:04,422
Although they had owned
a slave plantation
822
00:42:04,422 --> 00:42:07,693
everyone was a potential target.
823
00:42:07,693 --> 00:42:10,696
- My family had an unfortunate
experience with the Klan.
824
00:42:10,696 --> 00:42:13,599
Uncle Charlie was a
bit of a philanderer.
825
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:15,000
I guess that's the
best way to say it.
826
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,368
Not only did he have
his girlfriends,
827
00:42:17,368 --> 00:42:19,705
his interest also
crossed racial lines
828
00:42:19,705 --> 00:42:23,441
and he sired a number
of mixed race children
829
00:42:23,441 --> 00:42:27,178
which was not exactly the
socially acceptable thing
830
00:42:27,178 --> 00:42:28,647
of the day to do.
831
00:42:28,647 --> 00:42:31,516
He was allegedly, according
to family history,
832
00:42:31,516 --> 00:42:33,752
warned by the Klan and
when he ignored them
833
00:42:33,752 --> 00:42:35,220
because he was a very
wealthy and powerful man,
834
00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:36,955
when he ignored them
they simply waylaid him
835
00:42:36,955 --> 00:42:38,056
on a country road.
836
00:42:38,056 --> 00:42:39,257
He had his own chauffeur.
837
00:42:39,257 --> 00:42:41,426
Guy named Hal
Hooks, a black man.
838
00:42:41,426 --> 00:42:44,129
They put a tree across the road.
839
00:42:44,129 --> 00:42:45,897
When Hal Hooks went
out to move the tree
840
00:42:45,897 --> 00:42:49,267
all of a sudden Klansmen
emerged from the forest,
841
00:42:49,267 --> 00:42:51,069
they told Hooks to
stand to one side
842
00:42:51,069 --> 00:42:54,505
and they castrated
Uncle Charlie.
843
00:42:54,505 --> 00:42:56,007
- Castrated him?
844
00:42:56,007 --> 00:42:57,342
- They castrated him
845
00:42:57,342 --> 00:42:59,077
and he lived the
remainder of his life
846
00:42:59,077 --> 00:43:01,346
without part of his anatomy.
847
00:43:03,081 --> 00:43:07,252
* Well nothing is going
right this morning
848
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,430
* Oh I guess it's the
chains that bind me
849
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:23,001
* I can't shake them loose
850
00:43:25,704 --> 00:43:28,406
- How big did it get,
what was the high point?
851
00:43:28,406 --> 00:43:31,609
- For a very brief period
of time, 1924 and 1925,
852
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:34,079
they were one of the
most powerful social
853
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:36,948
and political organizations
in the United States.
854
00:43:36,948 --> 00:43:40,652
Around five million members
at its peak in 1925.
855
00:43:40,652 --> 00:43:42,587
You know it's a tremendous
number of people
856
00:43:42,587 --> 00:43:44,355
that joined the Klan.
857
00:43:45,556 --> 00:43:46,758
Perhaps the high
point of the Klan
858
00:43:46,758 --> 00:43:49,360
was the march in August of 1925
859
00:43:50,829 --> 00:43:55,233
where an estimated as many
as 150,000 robed Klansmen
860
00:43:55,233 --> 00:43:58,003
marched down
Pennsylvania Avenue.
861
00:44:01,106 --> 00:44:03,108
It's a terribly
frightening image
862
00:44:03,108 --> 00:44:05,744
to see Pennsylvania Avenue
with the capitol dome
863
00:44:05,744 --> 00:44:07,478
in the background
and an endless stream
864
00:44:07,478 --> 00:44:11,182
of white robed Klansmen
marching down the street.
865
00:44:11,182 --> 00:44:13,852
Is this what America has become?
866
00:44:19,791 --> 00:44:23,428
The Klan of the 1920's
failed eventually
867
00:44:23,428 --> 00:44:26,364
because people figured them out.
868
00:44:26,364 --> 00:44:28,066
People began to say
you know, these people
869
00:44:28,066 --> 00:44:30,769
are not really what
I want America to be.
870
00:44:30,769 --> 00:44:32,838
These people are
beating and flogging,
871
00:44:32,838 --> 00:44:35,506
these people are judge,
jury, and executioner
872
00:44:35,506 --> 00:44:36,474
rolled into one.
873
00:44:36,474 --> 00:44:37,976
This is not the American way.
874
00:44:37,976 --> 00:44:40,145
We should reject the Klan.
875
00:44:41,813 --> 00:44:44,515
- The Klan may
have been rejected
876
00:44:44,515 --> 00:44:48,353
but racial hatred and
discrimination remained.
877
00:44:54,359 --> 00:44:57,228
Here is one of the many
places in the south
878
00:44:57,228 --> 00:45:00,531
where the law itself was
used to discriminate.
879
00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:02,600
This is the former
railway terminal building
880
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,702
in Macon, Georgia.
881
00:45:04,702 --> 00:45:06,237
Fantastically
impressive building.
882
00:45:06,237 --> 00:45:07,505
Big stone frontage.
883
00:45:07,505 --> 00:45:09,908
Now that's the main
entrance down there
884
00:45:09,908 --> 00:45:12,277
with the eagles above
it and the pillars.
885
00:45:12,277 --> 00:45:14,345
Off to one side though
is a separate entrance
886
00:45:14,345 --> 00:45:16,882
and if you look above the
door look what it says.
887
00:45:16,882 --> 00:45:18,416
Colored waiting room.
888
00:45:18,416 --> 00:45:21,853
This is a relic, an artifact
of the Jim Crow laws
889
00:45:21,853 --> 00:45:24,856
which were touted as
keeping the white people
890
00:45:24,856 --> 00:45:29,027
and the black people of
America separate but equal.
891
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,402
The Jim Crow laws
reflected the mindset
892
00:45:37,402 --> 00:45:41,406
of those that wanted the
races to be separate forever.
893
00:45:41,406 --> 00:45:43,274
They not only mandated
the segregation
894
00:45:43,274 --> 00:45:46,277
of colored transport
but public schools,
895
00:45:46,277 --> 00:45:49,514
public places, and the
segregation of restrooms,
896
00:45:49,514 --> 00:45:52,918
restaurants, and even
drinking fountains.
897
00:45:54,285 --> 00:45:57,989
Black and white lived separate
but rarely equal lives.
898
00:46:00,725 --> 00:46:03,728
It took until the 1950's
for the federal court
899
00:46:03,728 --> 00:46:06,131
to declare that segregation
in state schools
900
00:46:06,131 --> 00:46:07,899
was unconstitutional.
901
00:46:09,167 --> 00:46:11,202
The black population celebrated
902
00:46:11,202 --> 00:46:15,273
but the southern states
were having none of it.
903
00:46:15,273 --> 00:46:17,976
I'm finishing my journey
in America's deep south
904
00:46:17,976 --> 00:46:20,778
here in Alabama, the
heart of the fight
905
00:46:20,778 --> 00:46:22,513
against civil rights.
906
00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:28,854
Montgomery, the state
capital, became the epicenter
907
00:46:28,854 --> 00:46:33,024
and these steps the backdrop
to much of the rhetoric.
908
00:46:35,460 --> 00:46:39,865
- Before the seed of tyranny,
and I say segregation now,
909
00:46:39,865 --> 00:46:43,701
segregation tomorrow,
and segregation forever.
910
00:46:43,701 --> 00:46:46,771
(cheering)
911
00:46:46,771 --> 00:46:48,573
- [Host] Governor
George Wallace spoke
912
00:46:48,573 --> 00:46:52,177
with the mindset of
those that elected him.
913
00:46:55,546 --> 00:46:59,317
The Klan, too, raised
its costumed head again
914
00:47:00,685 --> 00:47:03,821
and when around 3,000 people
attended another rally
915
00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:05,823
at Stone Mountain, it was clear
916
00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:08,426
that the Klan was back in force
917
00:47:08,426 --> 00:47:11,329
for the third time and
the tactics, again,
918
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:12,730
would be violent.
919
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:16,601
The fight for the
soul of the south
920
00:47:16,601 --> 00:47:19,704
came to its ugliest
point in the 1960's
921
00:47:19,704 --> 00:47:22,107
in the battle between
the civil rights movement
922
00:47:22,107 --> 00:47:23,841
and the Klansmen.
923
00:47:23,841 --> 00:47:26,444
The Klans brazen
violence and murders
924
00:47:26,444 --> 00:47:29,647
eventually pushed President
Johnson's federal government
925
00:47:29,647 --> 00:47:34,219
to make a full scale
assault on the Ku Klux Klan.
926
00:47:34,219 --> 00:47:37,822
- Their loyalty is not to
the United States of America
927
00:47:37,822 --> 00:47:41,792
but instead to a hooded
society of bigots
928
00:47:41,792 --> 00:47:45,330
so if Klansmen
hear my voice today
929
00:47:45,330 --> 00:47:48,499
let it be both an
appeal and a warning
930
00:47:50,501 --> 00:47:53,404
to get out of the
Ku Klux Klan now.
931
00:47:55,606 --> 00:47:58,776
- Leading members of the Klan
were prosecuted by the FBI
932
00:47:58,776 --> 00:48:01,712
and once again, America's
most feared hate group
933
00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:03,714
appeared to be defeated.
934
00:48:05,616 --> 00:48:08,686
But despite the success of
the civil rights movement,
935
00:48:08,686 --> 00:48:11,923
that southern mindset
didn't go away.
936
00:48:11,923 --> 00:48:14,025
It's still with us today.
937
00:48:16,394 --> 00:48:19,097
In the last 50 years,
there's been an explosion
938
00:48:19,097 --> 00:48:21,967
of hate groups in America.
939
00:48:21,967 --> 00:48:26,237
In 2015, it was estimated that
there were 892 hate groups
940
00:48:26,237 --> 00:48:29,440
in the US including
anti-government militias,
941
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,077
neo-nazis, neo-confederates,
942
00:48:32,077 --> 00:48:35,146
and 190 separate Ku
Klux Klan groups.
943
00:48:36,948 --> 00:48:38,549
The League of the South is one
944
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:42,087
that's often described
as a hate group.
945
00:48:42,087 --> 00:48:44,222
It advocates rolling back time,
946
00:48:44,222 --> 00:48:46,824
creating a separate
southern society
947
00:48:46,824 --> 00:48:49,194
run by Anglo-Celts.
948
00:48:49,194 --> 00:48:51,929
So I've got an email
from Dr. Michael Hill,
949
00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:53,431
leader of the
League of the South
950
00:48:53,431 --> 00:48:56,634
and he's suggesting meeting
at the post office parking lot
951
00:48:56,634 --> 00:48:58,469
in Killen at nine a.m.
952
00:49:02,173 --> 00:49:04,175
I think we have our man.
953
00:49:07,245 --> 00:49:09,814
Dr. Hill, hello, I'm Neal.
954
00:49:09,814 --> 00:49:10,982
- Nice to meet you, sir.
955
00:49:10,982 --> 00:49:12,017
- Nice to meet you too, sir.
956
00:49:12,017 --> 00:49:13,251
- Good to be here.
957
00:49:13,251 --> 00:49:15,920
- Is it okay if we put
a microphone on you?
958
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:16,754
- Sure.
959
00:49:17,855 --> 00:49:19,657
I think that's one
thing about southerners.
960
00:49:19,657 --> 00:49:21,826
We're known for our hospitality
961
00:49:21,826 --> 00:49:25,796
but we're also very
suspicious of outsiders.
962
00:49:25,796 --> 00:49:27,765
Now I'm not suspicious
of you folks
963
00:49:27,765 --> 00:49:29,534
because I know
where you come from
964
00:49:29,534 --> 00:49:32,470
and I know that
basically you and I
965
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:36,774
come from the same
people so it's different
966
00:49:36,774 --> 00:49:39,410
but people come around
here from other places
967
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:41,512
and southerners are
not so hospitable
968
00:49:41,512 --> 00:49:43,481
until they get to know you.
969
00:49:43,481 --> 00:49:45,683
- If you're a nationalist,
what's your nation?
970
00:49:45,683 --> 00:49:48,053
- My nation is my people.
971
00:49:48,053 --> 00:49:49,287
- [Host] It's not America?
972
00:49:49,287 --> 00:49:50,855
- No, America is not my nation.
973
00:49:50,855 --> 00:49:52,823
- If your nation is family,
what is your family?
974
00:49:52,823 --> 00:49:54,559
You mean literally
people who are blood.
975
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:57,462
- Yes, exactly,
blood, blood kin.
976
00:49:57,462 --> 00:49:59,730
That is what a nation is.
977
00:49:59,730 --> 00:50:01,866
But you know as well
as I do that the Scots
978
00:50:01,866 --> 00:50:04,402
have always been big
on fictive kinship.
979
00:50:04,402 --> 00:50:07,805
You're sort of in the
clan, in the family.
980
00:50:07,805 --> 00:50:10,141
My family is southern people
981
00:50:11,909 --> 00:50:16,081
and people who are
related to us by genetics
982
00:50:16,081 --> 00:50:18,083
back in the old country.
983
00:50:18,083 --> 00:50:19,850
America is not a nation.
984
00:50:19,850 --> 00:50:22,720
America is a
multi-cultural empire.
985
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,489
I want nothing to do with it.
986
00:50:24,489 --> 00:50:26,324
It has nothing for me.
987
00:50:32,697 --> 00:50:36,634
- [Host] Is the church
shooting at Charleston
988
00:50:36,634 --> 00:50:39,637
an inevitable consequence
of that kind of grievance?
989
00:50:39,637 --> 00:50:42,673
- [Michael] I think you just
had a disturbed young man.
990
00:50:42,673 --> 00:50:46,144
- He doesn't come
from nowhere, though.
991
00:50:46,144 --> 00:50:47,412
He's from a context.
992
00:50:47,412 --> 00:50:49,780
- Sure he's from a context.
993
00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:54,051
The minute I saw that he
had a Confederate flag,
994
00:50:54,051 --> 00:50:57,122
I said oh they will
take this and use it.
995
00:50:57,122 --> 00:50:59,857
If the left wants
to use Dylann Roof
996
00:50:59,857 --> 00:51:03,961
as the archetype of everybody
that thinks like I do
997
00:51:05,463 --> 00:51:07,965
then we're gonna have to have
fair play on the other side.
998
00:51:07,965 --> 00:51:11,068
Every time a black person
kills a white person
999
00:51:11,068 --> 00:51:14,239
we're gonna have to
just examine that
1000
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,408
inside and out, why it happened,
1001
00:51:17,408 --> 00:51:21,179
the circumstances,
the hatred behind it,
1002
00:51:21,179 --> 00:51:23,381
but it doesn't get done.
1003
00:51:23,381 --> 00:51:24,715
- How likely is
it that you're way
1004
00:51:24,715 --> 00:51:27,218
of thinking will come to pass?
1005
00:51:28,286 --> 00:51:30,888
- I'm a realist about this.
1006
00:51:30,888 --> 00:51:32,423
If you look out in
the world right now
1007
00:51:32,423 --> 00:51:36,194
you see that the other side
looks like they're winning.
1008
00:51:36,194 --> 00:51:38,429
My side will win mainly because
1009
00:51:38,429 --> 00:51:40,898
it is the natural
way that human beings
1010
00:51:40,898 --> 00:51:42,500
have always lived.
1011
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:45,470
This is an anomaly period
that we're living in
1012
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:47,305
and I can see the end of it
1013
00:51:47,305 --> 00:51:48,873
and the pendulum will swing back
1014
00:51:48,873 --> 00:51:51,376
to a more normal
type human existence.
1015
00:51:51,376 --> 00:51:54,078
So yeah, I think I'm
on the right side
1016
00:51:54,078 --> 00:51:57,148
of not only history
but human nature.
1017
00:51:57,148 --> 00:51:58,749
- It seems so pessimistic
and depressing
1018
00:51:58,749 --> 00:52:00,551
to me to think that people,
given the opportunity
1019
00:52:00,551 --> 00:52:02,887
to create a new world, and
that was the expression
1020
00:52:02,887 --> 00:52:05,156
that was in use at the time.
1021
00:52:05,156 --> 00:52:08,226
They came out full of
ideas like the pursuit
1022
00:52:08,226 --> 00:52:11,729
of happiness and equality
and religious freedom
1023
00:52:11,729 --> 00:52:13,063
and all of that.
1024
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,336
They were part of a world
that became a misery
1025
00:52:18,336 --> 00:52:20,405
for millions, I
find that just sad.
1026
00:52:20,405 --> 00:52:21,972
- I know, but what
does it tell you.
1027
00:52:21,972 --> 00:52:25,009
It tells you that
there can be no utopias
1028
00:52:25,009 --> 00:52:27,044
because man is a fallen creature
1029
00:52:27,044 --> 00:52:30,648
and he's always gonna behave
like a fallen creature.
1030
00:52:30,648 --> 00:52:33,318
He's always going to fuck it up.
1031
00:52:36,621 --> 00:52:38,088
- I said was there
someone who has
1032
00:52:38,088 --> 00:52:42,026
perhaps a naive hope in
the brotherhood of mankind,
1033
00:52:44,562 --> 00:52:47,064
if he's right then I just feel
1034
00:52:50,201 --> 00:52:51,836
we're never gonna get anywhere.
1035
00:52:51,836 --> 00:52:55,706
If there was ever an
indication that history's alive
1036
00:52:55,706 --> 00:52:58,309
then it's here, a set of events
1037
00:52:59,544 --> 00:53:02,713
unfolded here 200
and odd years ago
1038
00:53:02,713 --> 00:53:05,583
and the consequences
of them, the reality
1039
00:53:05,583 --> 00:53:08,419
of the world which created then
1040
00:53:08,419 --> 00:53:10,521
are still 100% here.
1041
00:53:12,022 --> 00:53:15,360
He feels as if we're
not going anywhere.
1042
00:53:19,397 --> 00:53:21,332
It's so dispiriting
to hear someone
1043
00:53:21,332 --> 00:53:25,002
using my Scottish
ancestry in support
1044
00:53:25,002 --> 00:53:28,339
of views that could
give rise to hatred.
1045
00:53:29,974 --> 00:53:31,676
I'm heading back to
the state capital
1046
00:53:31,676 --> 00:53:35,413
to get a second opinion on
Michael Hill's thinking.
1047
00:53:35,413 --> 00:53:38,182
Mark Potok keeps
tabs on hate groups
1048
00:53:38,182 --> 00:53:40,551
at the Southern
Poverty Law Center
1049
00:53:40,551 --> 00:53:42,019
and he has monitored
the development
1050
00:53:42,019 --> 00:53:44,589
of the League of the
South for some time.
1051
00:53:44,589 --> 00:53:47,258
I've heard mention
of the potential
1052
00:53:47,258 --> 00:53:51,429
for a race war, is that
just meaningless hyperbole?
1053
00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:56,200
- Well look, I mean, a
race war is the wet dream
1054
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,703
of all of these groups.
1055
00:53:58,703 --> 00:54:01,739
They all expect a
race war and many
1056
00:54:01,739 --> 00:54:04,342
of them fervently hope for it.
1057
00:54:04,342 --> 00:54:06,677
That's absolutely
common in the Klan
1058
00:54:06,677 --> 00:54:09,280
and in neo-nazi
groups and so on.
1059
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,749
What's been surprising
is to see the evolution
1060
00:54:11,749 --> 00:54:13,851
of a group like the
League of the South.
1061
00:54:13,851 --> 00:54:15,353
Mike Hill wrote a few months ago
1062
00:54:15,353 --> 00:54:19,123
an incredible essay in
which he said essentially
1063
00:54:19,123 --> 00:54:21,959
if black people think
they wanna have a race war
1064
00:54:21,959 --> 00:54:23,528
let me just warn them right now,
1065
00:54:23,528 --> 00:54:25,963
they're not gonna win that war.
1066
00:54:25,963 --> 00:54:28,533
Hill has also
talked to his people
1067
00:54:28,533 --> 00:54:32,537
not merely about how the south
is an Anglo-Celtic wonderland
1068
00:54:32,537 --> 00:54:34,004
and all this kind of
things and we need
1069
00:54:34,004 --> 00:54:36,741
to protect our culture
but about the need
1070
00:54:36,741 --> 00:54:40,244
to buy AK-47's and
tools to derail trains.
1071
00:54:43,113 --> 00:54:45,350
Will this ever really
come to a race war?
1072
00:54:45,350 --> 00:54:47,585
No, I very much doubt it.
1073
00:54:47,585 --> 00:54:49,320
Are there people out
there who desperately
1074
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,721
would like to see it happen?
1075
00:54:50,721 --> 00:54:51,622
Absolutely.
1076
00:54:53,023 --> 00:54:57,495
In the aftermath of the June
2015 Charleston massacre
1077
00:54:57,495 --> 00:55:00,731
by Dylann Roof, there
was an enormous backlash
1078
00:55:00,731 --> 00:55:02,967
against the
Confederate battle flag
1079
00:55:02,967 --> 00:55:04,702
because Roof, of course,
before carrying out
1080
00:55:04,702 --> 00:55:07,104
this mass murder, had
taken many pictures
1081
00:55:07,104 --> 00:55:10,575
of himself displaying the
Confederate battle flag
1082
00:55:10,575 --> 00:55:14,144
and as a result of that,
the flag came under attack.
1083
00:55:14,144 --> 00:55:15,245
The governor of South Carolina
1084
00:55:15,245 --> 00:55:16,847
ordered the
Confederate battle flag
1085
00:55:16,847 --> 00:55:19,850
off the grounds of
the state capital
1086
00:55:21,018 --> 00:55:22,720
and then there was
this incredible,
1087
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:25,222
very widespread reaction.
1088
00:55:25,222 --> 00:55:27,692
We counted actually,
in the six months
1089
00:55:27,692 --> 00:55:30,194
immediately following
the Charleston massacre,
1090
00:55:30,194 --> 00:55:33,531
364 pro-Confederate
battle flag rallies.
1091
00:55:35,666 --> 00:55:39,336
- Does that rhetoric inform
people like Dylann Roof?
1092
00:55:39,336 --> 00:55:41,706
- I don't think Dylann
Roof probably even knew
1093
00:55:41,706 --> 00:55:43,808
what the League of the South was
1094
00:55:43,808 --> 00:55:46,043
but did he connect
with the kinds of ideas
1095
00:55:46,043 --> 00:55:47,712
that are at the center of
the League of the South?
1096
00:55:47,712 --> 00:55:48,646
Absolutely.
1097
00:55:51,281 --> 00:55:53,584
- One of the greatest
writers of the south,
1098
00:55:53,584 --> 00:55:55,285
William Faulkner,
wrote something
1099
00:55:55,285 --> 00:55:57,788
that seems very apt.
1100
00:55:57,788 --> 00:56:00,257
The past isn't dead and buried.
1101
00:56:00,257 --> 00:56:03,528
It's not even past
and that's the point.
1102
00:56:04,929 --> 00:56:07,998
All the people of the south
are living with history,
1103
00:56:07,998 --> 00:56:10,868
coping with the
consequences of immigration,
1104
00:56:10,868 --> 00:56:14,038
greed, fear, and a
sequence of events
1105
00:56:14,038 --> 00:56:18,208
that have turned this place
upside down more than once.
1106
00:56:20,411 --> 00:56:22,312
I come to the end of my journey
1107
00:56:22,312 --> 00:56:25,416
at the church where
this story began.
1108
00:56:27,618 --> 00:56:30,655
How on Earth do the people
who suffered the attacks here
1109
00:56:30,655 --> 00:56:32,690
cope with the
horror of the racism
1110
00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:35,192
that has stopped the
south since the settlers
1111
00:56:35,192 --> 00:56:36,794
first arrived here.
1112
00:56:38,228 --> 00:56:42,667
- Just with the thought
of this interview itself,
1113
00:56:42,667 --> 00:56:45,536
I'm teary eyed to
think that this
1114
00:56:45,536 --> 00:56:47,972
is what brought us together
1115
00:56:47,972 --> 00:56:51,175
but yet I'm grateful
because it gives me
1116
00:56:51,175 --> 00:56:54,178
an opportunity to
say to my brothers
1117
00:56:55,546 --> 00:57:00,084
and sisters around the
world, thank you for caring.
1118
00:57:00,084 --> 00:57:04,489
Thank you for praying
for us, remembering us,
1119
00:57:04,489 --> 00:57:07,024
and not forgetting about it.
1120
00:57:07,024 --> 00:57:10,260
- Is there anything that
ought to be forgotten?
1121
00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:14,298
Are there any ideas that
need to be put in the past
1122
00:57:14,298 --> 00:57:16,467
and not taken into the future?
1123
00:57:16,467 --> 00:57:19,336
- I think that each of
us, we are sum total
1124
00:57:19,336 --> 00:57:23,240
of our past, our present,
and our hope for the future
1125
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,777
and so no, I wouldn't want
to disregard the past.
1126
00:57:26,777 --> 00:57:28,579
I'd wanna learn from it.
1127
00:57:28,579 --> 00:57:31,048
I'd wanna grow as a result of it
1128
00:57:31,048 --> 00:57:33,851
and we must embrace
our individuality
1129
00:57:33,851 --> 00:57:37,321
and celebrate it
and not be negative
1130
00:57:37,321 --> 00:57:39,023
as a result of it.
1131
00:57:39,023 --> 00:57:42,359
I believe that from
this can lead a path
1132
00:57:43,928 --> 00:57:46,764
of race relations
that's positive.
1133
00:57:48,198 --> 00:57:51,335
A path that will lead us to
a place of reconciliation,
1134
00:57:51,335 --> 00:57:55,272
of healing, and a place
of a healthier society.
1135
00:57:59,276 --> 00:58:00,745
- Oh hey, come on.
1136
00:58:05,415 --> 00:58:08,185
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