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I know exactly
the day I opened
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my mouth to sing.
It was a Sunday.
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All the relatives were
over at the house.
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It's an old Italian song,
and I didn't know
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what the hell the words were.
I was like six,
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seven years old. It was...
♪ Eh, Cumpari ♪
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And all of a sudden, I just
start singing along with it.
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It just seemed natural.
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For some reason,
it was effortless for me.
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I never had a pitch problem.
I could just sing.
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Please welcome, Frank Stallone.
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Frank Stallone.
- Frank Stallone.
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Frank Stallone.
- Frank Stallone.
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Frank Stallone.
- Frank Stallone.
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In his world, and his talent,
he's, you know,
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every bit as good as I am
at what I try to do.
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He's a five tool guy.
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He can sing, he can act,
he can perform,
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he can write, and he could
fight like a son of a bitch.
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When you watch
Frank Stallone perform,
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he fulfills everything.
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It's just talent, man.
It's just pure talent.
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He sings his ass off.
Always did.
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He likes to talk a lot.
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He can talk.
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He can tell a story,
and he'll just capture you.
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He's just wonderful.
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It's a combination
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of electric magnetism
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coupled with
this incredible humility.
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It's just a rare cocktail.
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It's what I respect
most about him.
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Frank has style
and Frank has endurance.
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He's very driven. He's talented,
and he's also a sweetheart
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of a guy. He's a winner.
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He's an electric sort of guy,
and, and, uh, funny.
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He's entertaining.
He's got a heart of gold.
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There's never
a dull moment with Frank.
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He's got a big heart.
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That's what people don't see.
It's that big.
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He's a force.
He's the real deal.
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There's so much more to him
than meets the eye.
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I mean, everybody knows,
yeah, he did a little
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doowop thing
in the first Rocky film,
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and you think, "Oh,
that's cute," you know,
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"Sylvester and his brother
sing a little
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thing at the beginning."
And then,
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you dig deeper,
and you found out,
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"Wow, this guy's
a tremendous musical artist
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in his own right."
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He was into music
24 hours a day.
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I knew that was his calling.
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He never quit.
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♪ I know what I'm missing ♪
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♪ I talk ♪
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♪ No one listens ♪
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♪ Now I'm talking to myself ♪
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♪ Reach out, no reaction ♪
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♪ What price? ♪
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♪ Satisfaction ♪
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♪ If you give up ♪
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♪ Or give it all... ♪
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These were actually, uh,
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these were a gift to me.
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These were
Frank Sinatra's cufflinks.
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Maybe that'll bring me a...
bit of good luck.
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See you in the movies.
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Welcome back to the stage
Frank Stallone.
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I grew up in a kind
of a strange environment.
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My father was from Italy,
and my mother is a WASP,
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and she was born
in Washington DC.
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So I didn't really grow up in,
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what you would call,
a musical household.
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My father was a hair dresser.
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My mother worked
in the same business,
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and it was a very
tumultuous house.
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It was not a happy household.
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I remember once
I went to Bloomingdale's,
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he was about five years old,
and he's so quite.
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Were-- He said to Frankie,
"Just sit here, don't move."
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He would not move until
you gave him a command to move.
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When I got home,
I realized I didn't have him.
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He was still sitting
on the bench in Bloomingdale's.
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I went back to the store,
and there you were.
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To pick him up,
that's how wellmannered he was.
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He was a good baby.
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Frankie actually was
putty in your hand.
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He was a beautiful little baby,
and very good.
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Growing up, he was just a,
a normal child,
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but he developed a passion,
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and I mean really a passion,
for music.
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I remember to this day,
seeing Elvis Presley.
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All of a sudden,
this wild man comes on.
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At six years old, I'm going,
"Oh, yeah,
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forget 'Eh, Cumpari.'
That, that bullshit,
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that's over.
This is it right here."
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The hair, the look,
just everything about him,
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and that was it, I was hooked.
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When my parents got divorced,
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I moved from Maryland
to Philadelphia,
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which was like night and day.
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But then the doowop thing
was always around,
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like The Platters,
The Silhouettes,
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that was like street corner.
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So I got into that.
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My mother had left.
She disappeared.
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And she came
around Christmas time,
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and I saw
these two like ukuleles.
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I know my brother
has no musical talent,
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so I guess they're both for me,
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but he ended up breaking it
over my head.
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That was
the beginning and the end
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of like the Italian version
of The Everly Brothers,
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because my brother,
as talented as he is,
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just has no musical talent.
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They tried.
They bought him a trumpet.
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He hammered the mouth piece in,
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but it just wasn't his bag,
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and he didn't know what his bag
was until 20 years later.
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So he was just
kind of a delinquent.
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I would torture Frank.
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Everything
from shooting arrows at him,
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and trying
to put him in a barrel,
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and roll him down a hill
while heaving rocks
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onto a freeway
under construction.
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His fingers almost got
cut off in a cement mixer.
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We got into a fight
over a drum stick,
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and I threw it at him, and
it sort of stuck in his head,
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and he's still alive,
which goes to show you,
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he's not normal.
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He has a primitive
neanderthaltypeskull.
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He's eating a bowl of ice cream.
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He goes...
"Don't touch my ice cream,"
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and he throws
the ice cream in my face.
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I turn around, I hit him,
and I shatter my hand.
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This is the way we've always
conducted our business,
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me attacking my brother,
and then blaming him.
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So it's consistent.
There something nice
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about consistency.
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So then, off to military school.
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I just got wind of The Beatles.
I don't want to go
to military school,
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and get a buzz haircut.
I can't do this anymore.
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I just don't want to do it,
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because now your hormones
are kind of changing.
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The Beatles, The Stones,
all this stuff is happening,
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and I'm wearing a buzz cut.
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I look like total jerk off.
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I don't fit in at all.
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So I left.
I went to public school.
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I wasn't dumb. I was very smart,
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but I couldn't apply myself.
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Now you would call that ADD,
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but then,
you just called it stupid.
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I think I got one A
in 12 years of school.
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I flunked music all four years.
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Barely got out of high school.
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Frankie and I met
in September of 1961.
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I had a set of drums,
but most of us,
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we were just doing something
that was part of a trend.
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For Frankie, it was a drive.
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He can't stop himself.
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I felt like a separation
emotionally,
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like he was moving away,
you know?
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He was very serious about that,
and I...
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...couldn't possibly
get serious at that age.
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I remember I worked all summer
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for 150 bucks,
and my stepfather said...
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"Well, if you work,
you can buy your own guitar."
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I said, "Okay, great."
I went to 8th Street Music,
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and I bought this bass,
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and he goes, "Oh, I didn't
tell you you could buy that,"
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and he took it away from me.
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I didn't even get
a chance to play it.
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It was so devastating to me,
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because I was so proud
because I worked for it,
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and he just put it away
in the closet,
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and he goes, "Don't you ever
touch that again." I said,
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I said, "You said if I worked
all summer, I could have it."
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I couldn't wait for when
he left town. Of course I'd...
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practice in the front room
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with my band, and stuff
like that. But I couldn't--
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Then I realized
I sucked at bass.
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Well, he didn't
like his stepfather
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for the simple reason
his stepfather was
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pretty organized,
and very neat, and clean.
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He would insist Frankie
get a haircut
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as soon as he'd come home.
Well, that's the worst thing
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you could say to a musician.
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So, they didn't get along
well at all.
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Got along very well
with his father.
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His father lived in, uh,
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Florida or Washington DC
at the time...
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in both places,
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and he got along well
with his father.
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We were getting hit in the '60s.
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Every day there was
a new British invasion group,
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The Dave Clark Five,
The Kinks, The Who.
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It was so exciting. I mean,
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it was a blitzkrieg
of British groups.
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Everyone thought you were
English if you had long hair.
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You know,
those guys had Philly accents.
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"Hello, love,
how yous doing there?"
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You say, "Oh, God, Almighty,"
you know?
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But girls thought
you were British,
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We're about as British as,
you know, whatever.
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So, what's the next thing?
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Let's straighten Frank's hair.
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To watch a guy iron
his own hair is ridiculous.
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It doesn't work.
I was burning my scalp.
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I looked like an OCedar mop,
just like, like a roof.
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It was horrible.
So then I figured it out.
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If I washed my hair it'd be wet.
I'd put like DippityDo in it,
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and I'd put a hair net on,
and sit under a hair dryer,
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and it'd come out
beautifully straight.
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Two seconds on the stage,
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sweat, and it all...
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I turned professional in 1965.
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The guy next door said,
"Hey, well I'm having a party,"
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so we set our stuff up
on the lawn, and we played.
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I think they gave us five bucks
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like for the band,
and I said, "Well,
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I'm professional.
I'm getting paid."
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This was my first group,
The American Tragedy.
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Frank is a naturalborn
entertainer.
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His singing ability,
and his delivery,
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his performance
was unbelievable.
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There was
a thing, an advertisement
for a thing called
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the Philadelphia Battle
of the Bands,
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which was all throughout
Philadelphia.
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I heard numbers like
300 bands started or something,
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and the competition was fierce,
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but we came in second
of all the bands,
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and that was a lot
of acknowledgement.
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It was a lot of fun.
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My brother managed me
for one day
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with The American Tragedy.
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We went to see a group
called The Soultastics,
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and Sly goes, "Yeah, that's
what you guys should be doing."
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We were kids.
We couldn't even drive yet.
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So my brother's funny maid
just walks up, and goes,
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"Hey, who's your manager?"
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So my brother contacts this guy.
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We auditioned and played.
He goes, "Yeah, you guys
are pretty good,
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but you have to get outfits."
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They were these big
horsechecked pants
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with orange turtlenecks.
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But why would you buy
a turtleneck sweater
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to play live
with wool plaid pants?
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Oh, my God!
- There it is! Mike!
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Frankie was looking
for something greater
than the neighborhood.
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It was time for him to move on,
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time for him to get out there,
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but we were that stepping stone.
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We got him started,
and I'm very proud of that.
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I think our group
is proud of that.
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We, we all take pride
in saying that,
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"Hey, we know Frank Stallone."
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We knew him back
when no one knew
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how well he could sing but us,
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and he's proved it
over and over again.
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I meet my friend,
Allen Rosenblum.
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I didn't know he played guitar,
and I was hearing,
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"Oh, Allen Rosenblum
can sure play guitar."
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So Allen and I got together,
and we put
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the first Valentine together.
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Why did I change
my name to Valentine?
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Because I had no money. I'd
just brought this western belt,
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and it had the name Valentine
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carved back in western letters.
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I said, "Well, shit, man,
I want to wear this belt,
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so I'll change
my name to Valentine."
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That belt was
the only belt I owned.
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It had Valentine
written on the back,
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and I didn't want
to explain it to people.
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Valentine was a very well
know Downtown Philly band.
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We wrote all our own tunes.
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We had a nice repertory
of originals.
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Frank had some. I had some.
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We wrote a couple together.
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♪ Fifty pages set
the stage to succeed to... ♪
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The bass player, he said,
"Man, I know
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this guy, he's a great
keyboard player, Daryl Hall."
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And it's this really
handsome guy.
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He walks down the steps
while we're rehearsing,
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sitting there,
and he's listening to us,
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and he's got a smile on
his face. He goes, "Wow, man."
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He's a real nice guy. "God,
you guys sound great, man."
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And so he was playing
in a successful bar band
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that worked all the time
on the weekends making money.
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We made nothing. So he had
to kind of bough out,
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but he was very nice. And then,
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they throw me out
of my own group.
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For some reason,
I was becoming unruly.
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He would get
into moods sometimes,
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and when he'd finally
show up to rehearsal,
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you know, an hour late,
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we decided that Frank had to go.
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And even though
I'd been a schmuck...
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you know, when,
when the band, you know,
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when we tossed him out
of the band, he wouldn't let go.
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Our friendship meant
something to him.
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If you have to have a friend,
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have a friend
like Frank Stallone.
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And then you go through that
bad time being a solo artist,
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playing for a white fish.
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Seriously, that's how I got
paid, in like smoked fish
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one night
because I was starving.
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I was suffering from severe
panic attacks, and I didn't know
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what they were. I thought
I was absolutely insane.
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I'm having like a nervous
breakdown every four minutes.
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I'm talking.
I'm going like...
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It was horrible.
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I was working
at a radio station,
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and he had a little demo,
evidently, of his voice.
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We went into the recording room
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where the engineer was there,
and he played it.
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He said, "Kid,
let me tell you something."
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He said, "Don't waste your time.
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You'll never make it," you know?
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And I thought, "Damn, well."
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My manager at that time...
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..."I got you a job
in Portland, Maine."
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I go, "What? You got us
a gig in Portland, Maine?"
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We were playing
like country bars in Marysville,
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Pennsylvania, you know? And
that group was called Bananas.
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We're driving
a Ford Econoline van.
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We had no money.
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They spent the money on hashish.
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I said, "What-- what the hell
are we going to do?
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We're driving to Portland,
Maine." He goes,
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"Hey, you won't even know it."
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We see the club. We go,
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"All right, man, cool,
this is great."
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The guy goes,
"What are you talking about?"
335
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"We're Bananas."
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He goes, "I have no idea
what you're talking about."
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I said, "Are you serious?"
We just drove
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from Trenton, New Jersey,
to Portland, Maine,
and there's no gig?
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It's the middle of the winter.
Obviously, we were blitzed,
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and I think we stopped
for like hot dog
341
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and we cut it three ways.
But anyway, we made it back.
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That group breaks up.
Then I put together
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Valentine Two.
And we said, "Well,
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we got this guy, John Oates."
I said, "Yeah, cool."
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When I came to my first
rehearsal with the band,
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I immediately knew Frank
was the force in the band.
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It was his thing, you know? He
had a, he had a lot of charisma,
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he had a lot of presence,
and he had a really great voice,
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and he looked good.
You know, he was always
very concerned with
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how he presented himself,
you know?
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In terms of how he dressed,
and how he looked.
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00:14:00,423 --> 00:14:03,260
I think he had a very kind of
professional approach to this
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kind of hippie band that we had.
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He was always like up to
something. I remember, one day,
355
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he came in, and he was wearing
like pancake makeup,
and I couldn't figure out why,
356
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because we were rehearsing
in a church or something.
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00:14:13,103 --> 00:14:15,355
It was very weird.
But, but he had this thing.
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He had to give this kind
of theatrical thing.
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00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,025
He was always
kind of performing.
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Frank was always kind of on.
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00:14:21,444 --> 00:14:23,572
We had on big gig
at the Electric Factory,
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which was the hot rock club
in Philadelphia in the '60s.
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That was kind of our swan song.
I think that was
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the big gig, and after that,
it was done.
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00:14:30,453 --> 00:14:32,455
And that's when Daryl
and I put our thing together.
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00:14:34,374 --> 00:14:36,585
I stayed with
my brother in New York.
We had like a shit hole.
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00:14:36,668 --> 00:14:37,961
He crawled through the window.
368
00:14:38,044 --> 00:14:39,296
He goes,
"You mind if I live here?"
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It was $72 a month,
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and the room next
to me was kind of abandoned.
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And it was right next to my
brother's, right, the door--
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the wall was here,
he was there, I was here.
They were crap holes.
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I said, "Well, why don't we just
take a shovel on the thing?"
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00:14:51,683 --> 00:14:53,351
And we tore a hole in the wall.
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00:14:53,435 --> 00:14:54,978
He had a hole,
that he would come through
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this condemned apartment
that he didn't belong in,
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00:14:57,647 --> 00:14:59,983
and he'd sleep in my thing,
and go back and forth.
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00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:02,444
And I just would bullshit
my way into stuff,
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but I was really innocent.
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I mean, I didn't do drugs.
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00:15:04,738 --> 00:15:05,572
I was like a virgin.
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00:15:05,655 --> 00:15:06,615
I didn't know anything.
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00:15:07,365 --> 00:15:10,410
I think I got laid once
in like five years, whatever.
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I was just focused
into what I was doing,
385
00:15:13,413 --> 00:15:15,332
and girls didn't want to go
after me. I had no money.
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00:15:15,832 --> 00:15:18,627
There's a place on 85th Street
called Kenny's Castaways.
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I walk in, and there's
this guy on stage with a hat.
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It's the E Street Band.
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It's Bruce Springsteen
doing... ♪ Rosalita ♪
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00:15:30,013 --> 00:15:31,848
...and now I have to go on.
It's like, you know,
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00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:34,142
if you had a puppet act
following The Beatles.
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And on those white like kind
of things with magic marker,
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it says, "Tonight Bruce
Springstine and Valentine."
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00:15:42,901 --> 00:15:44,235
God, if I had a picture of that!
395
00:15:44,819 --> 00:15:47,113
So that's when
I went to Florida.
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I went to a place,
it was called the Feed Bag.
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That was the time
when someone gave me PCP,
398
00:15:52,994 --> 00:15:54,579
and all of a sudden,
it just hit me.
399
00:15:54,663 --> 00:15:56,164
I said, "Hey,
how you doing, folks?"
400
00:16:00,877 --> 00:16:02,879
I'm going like this,
but now the neck is growing,
401
00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:05,548
so the neck looks like it's
20 feet long, so I'm going.
402
00:16:09,260 --> 00:16:13,640
And what happened, I just
untuned the guitar so badly,
403
00:16:13,723 --> 00:16:16,518
but I couldn't reach the neck,
and it took so long.
404
00:16:16,601 --> 00:16:19,104
That was the show.
I never got a chance to sing.
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00:16:19,187 --> 00:16:20,563
They said, "Thank you,
Valentine, man.
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00:16:20,647 --> 00:16:22,399
We appreciate it, brother.
Right on."
407
00:16:22,482 --> 00:16:24,401
I said...
"But I can't tune it."
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00:16:24,484 --> 00:16:26,027
They said, "Another day."
409
00:16:26,111 --> 00:16:27,904
The last thing I wanted to do,
was do anything
410
00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:29,531
that was mind expanding.
411
00:16:29,614 --> 00:16:31,616
You know,
my mind was expanded enough.
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00:16:32,283 --> 00:16:34,327
So I played in Florida
for a while, and then I said,
413
00:16:34,411 --> 00:16:36,287
"Okay, I'm coming
back to New York.
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00:16:36,371 --> 00:16:37,914
I'm coming back strong
with a vengeance."
415
00:16:38,581 --> 00:16:40,667
And the most incredible
thing I ever did.
416
00:16:40,750 --> 00:16:44,254
I used someone else's voice
to get a record deal.
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00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:47,298
There was a song
that my bass player, Jody,
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00:16:47,382 --> 00:16:49,300
sang on, and I go,
"God, this is really good."
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00:16:49,384 --> 00:16:51,678
I went around to people, I said,
"Yeah, man, what do you think?"
420
00:16:51,761 --> 00:16:54,556
And they go,
"Wow, that's a great record.
We should rerecord that."
421
00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:56,933
But it's Jody singing,
but I'm telling them it's me.
422
00:16:57,016 --> 00:16:59,436
Of course, that went nowhere.
Jody goes, "Yeah,
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00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:01,646
I'm in New York.
Come over, man. We're over
at these girls' house."
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00:17:01,730 --> 00:17:03,773
I said, "Why don't we just
put a group together?
425
00:17:03,857 --> 00:17:06,401
Yeah, forget this shit
with these girls."
So we're like drunk.
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00:17:06,484 --> 00:17:08,528
The girls go, "Hey, we're going
to go out and get some food,
427
00:17:08,611 --> 00:17:11,239
and we'll be back later."
We ran out of the place,
428
00:17:11,322 --> 00:17:13,616
jumped into a cab. I said
"We're going to Trenton,"
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00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:15,702
and I called my friend,
Bob Tangrea,
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00:17:15,785 --> 00:17:17,662
because he was a great singer
and guitar player.
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00:17:17,746 --> 00:17:19,622
I said, "I put a group
together called Valentine,
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00:17:19,706 --> 00:17:21,583
and we'll get the three
best lead singers I know.
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00:17:21,666 --> 00:17:24,419
We'll put together this group."
So it will be Jody,
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00:17:24,502 --> 00:17:26,796
Bobby, and myself, overnight.
435
00:17:27,672 --> 00:17:30,383
These girls are probably
still sitting there
with the groceries.
436
00:17:30,467 --> 00:17:33,762
We formed Valentine,
and we actually had a manager,
437
00:17:33,845 --> 00:17:36,598
who was Robin Garb
and Bill Ring.
They were our managers.
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00:17:36,681 --> 00:17:38,850
They had a company
called Ascension Artists,
439
00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:42,270
and, uh, they signed us
to a deal,
440
00:17:42,353 --> 00:17:45,482
and we started working at,
you know, local clubs.
441
00:17:45,565 --> 00:17:48,526
We played Kenny's Castaways,
and my brother was there,
442
00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:50,236
which was like 2.50 to get in.
443
00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,155
"We'll just carry
some equipment."
444
00:17:52,238 --> 00:17:53,948
I said, "Yeah, they're
with us, the roadies."
445
00:17:54,032 --> 00:17:55,200
It was 2.50. You know,
446
00:17:55,283 --> 00:17:56,910
it shows how good he was doing.
447
00:17:57,786 --> 00:18:00,538
Now we're in New Jersey.
We played at this club
a 130 nights,
448
00:18:00,622 --> 00:18:03,666
and every Wednesday, this place
was packed into the street.
449
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:05,710
I went to see those guys a lot.
I went to see him
in Philadelphia.
450
00:18:05,794 --> 00:18:07,587
I went to see him in a place
called Charlie's Uncle
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00:18:07,670 --> 00:18:09,964
in Brunswick. And...
saw him a couple of places
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00:18:10,048 --> 00:18:11,883
in New York, I believe, too,
and, uh...
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00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:14,886
You know, it was always a lot
of fun, always very exciting.
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00:18:15,553 --> 00:18:17,388
I got called
in one night as a sub.
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00:18:17,472 --> 00:18:20,058
They were nice enough to give
this young 18yearold kid
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00:18:20,141 --> 00:18:22,268
a chance to come up and play,
and they would call me up
and play with them
457
00:18:22,352 --> 00:18:23,728
once in a while,
and it was a big deal for me.
458
00:18:23,812 --> 00:18:25,980
I did, I got up and played
a couple sets,
459
00:18:26,064 --> 00:18:27,524
you know? We had a good time.
460
00:18:28,399 --> 00:18:29,776
My manager says,
"We finally got you
461
00:18:29,859 --> 00:18:31,486
a record deal on PolyGram,
462
00:18:31,569 --> 00:18:34,405
and we're going to be going
out to California to record."
463
00:18:34,489 --> 00:18:37,992
Everyone in town is so excited,
Valentine got signed.
464
00:18:38,076 --> 00:18:41,287
I get a phone call,
"Ah, deal fell through."
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00:18:41,371 --> 00:18:42,956
I go, "Excuse me?"
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00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:46,584
He goes, "There's no deal.
We're not going to California."
467
00:18:46,668 --> 00:18:49,546
I go, "Wait a second,
last night we had
468
00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:52,423
hundreds of people,
a bon voyage party with a keg.
469
00:18:52,841 --> 00:18:54,801
We canceled all our gigs.
470
00:18:54,884 --> 00:18:57,470
And you're telling me,
as I'm opening the door
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00:18:57,554 --> 00:19:00,139
to go to the airport,
the gig's off?"
472
00:19:00,223 --> 00:19:02,225
That would have made
most people just say,
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00:19:02,308 --> 00:19:04,185
"You know what?
I can't do this anymore."
474
00:19:04,269 --> 00:19:06,062
But we didn't, we just
got stronger and stronger.
475
00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:10,024
Then I get a call
in 1975 from my brother.
476
00:19:10,108 --> 00:19:13,111
My brother had moved
to California.
477
00:19:13,653 --> 00:19:17,156
He is starting a little
movie called, Rocky,
478
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,034
and says...
"I need a song."
479
00:19:20,118 --> 00:19:22,996
Why he called me?
Because there was no budget.
480
00:19:23,496 --> 00:19:25,915
I remember just sitting there
going... ♪ Take you back ♪
481
00:19:25,999 --> 00:19:28,585
on my guitar,
just figuring something out.
482
00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:31,880
And eventually,
I wrote the song.
483
00:19:31,963 --> 00:19:34,090
So I tell my group, I said,
"Listen, my brother's
484
00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:36,467
doing this movie about boxing."
485
00:19:37,552 --> 00:19:39,345
So they said, "I don't know
if we want to play.
486
00:19:39,429 --> 00:19:41,180
We're making
140 bucks that night."
487
00:19:41,264 --> 00:19:42,932
That's between five people.
488
00:19:43,016 --> 00:19:46,019
Five people at a 140 bucks,
and the manager takes 20%,
489
00:19:46,102 --> 00:19:48,688
so take $28 off that.
490
00:19:48,771 --> 00:19:52,734
So it's $112 divided by five.
So it was a big night.
491
00:19:52,817 --> 00:19:55,111
It was like a bowling alley
that had a stage.
492
00:19:55,194 --> 00:19:57,739
There was supposed to be hot
chicks there. We get a call,
493
00:19:57,822 --> 00:19:59,949
and Sly goes, "Well, yeah,
we can pay you a 140."
494
00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:01,618
I said, "Well,
we're getting 140."
495
00:20:01,701 --> 00:20:03,453
I mean... he goes,
"No, each."
496
00:20:03,536 --> 00:20:04,537
We go, "Excuse me?"
497
00:20:05,079 --> 00:20:06,706
That's like a month's
wages for us.
498
00:20:07,290 --> 00:20:08,958
It was very cool.
We all went down together
499
00:20:09,042 --> 00:20:10,752
in our van, got a little ripped,
500
00:20:10,835 --> 00:20:12,045
and we stood around
those trash cans
501
00:20:12,128 --> 00:20:13,171
singing "Take You Back."
502
00:20:13,254 --> 00:20:14,297
♪ Take you back ♪
503
00:20:14,964 --> 00:20:17,467
♪ Do do do do
Take you back ♪
504
00:20:17,550 --> 00:20:20,053
They showed me at the hotel,
some trailers,
505
00:20:20,136 --> 00:20:22,263
of what they'd shot.
Really low budget.
506
00:20:22,347 --> 00:20:24,515
It was a cheap hotel.
And I remember
507
00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:26,559
John Avildsen, the director,
was there,
508
00:20:26,643 --> 00:20:28,895
and my brother,
and a few other people,
509
00:20:28,978 --> 00:20:30,146
And they're looking
at daily's. I said,
510
00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,231
"Man, this is really cool."
511
00:20:32,315 --> 00:20:34,025
There was feeling
I had about it.
512
00:20:34,108 --> 00:20:36,152
Even when they were shooting it
on the street,
513
00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:38,071
there was a feeling
I had about it.
514
00:20:38,154 --> 00:20:39,989
You know, it's a gut feeling.
I can't explain it,
515
00:20:40,073 --> 00:20:41,824
because I hadn't seen the movie.
516
00:20:41,908 --> 00:20:44,452
But just the idea,
it was just kind of cool.
517
00:20:44,535 --> 00:20:46,871
The-- Just vibe that was
going on was really cool.
518
00:20:46,955 --> 00:20:48,873
When Rocky was being shot,
519
00:20:48,957 --> 00:20:51,376
I was, more or less,
around the project,
520
00:20:52,126 --> 00:20:54,671
and could see
some of the assemblages.
521
00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:55,922
You know,
they put stuff together.
522
00:20:56,631 --> 00:20:59,717
And, uh, not the timing,
just assembled.
523
00:20:59,801 --> 00:21:03,596
And then I saw "Take You Back,"
which was like,
524
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,057
"How did this get here?
What is this?
525
00:21:06,140 --> 00:21:07,725
Man, that's really good.
I like that."
526
00:21:07,809 --> 00:21:10,687
"Oh, yeah, yeah,
Sly's brother did that."
527
00:21:10,770 --> 00:21:13,106
I go, "Really?
I didn't know that."
528
00:21:13,189 --> 00:21:15,858
And that was my introduction
to Frank as a singer.
529
00:21:15,942 --> 00:21:18,987
Frank came along with
all the talent that Sly had.
530
00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:22,365
He knew those streets,
and he did sing around barrels,
531
00:21:22,448 --> 00:21:24,409
and he did do acapella,
532
00:21:24,492 --> 00:21:26,786
so he was extremely
533
00:21:26,869 --> 00:21:30,081
original and authentic
for that part.
534
00:21:30,164 --> 00:21:33,459
And the attitude
that you saw between us, like,
535
00:21:33,543 --> 00:21:35,962
"Hey, the bum from the dock.
536
00:21:36,045 --> 00:21:37,046
Get a job, you bum."
537
00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:38,798
That's the way we are.
538
00:21:38,881 --> 00:21:41,259
We was just, you know,
always ripping on one another.
539
00:21:41,342 --> 00:21:42,468
Hey.
- Hey,
540
00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:46,097
the bum from the dock.
Get a job, you bum.
541
00:21:46,597 --> 00:21:49,142
There was a premiere
in New York City
542
00:21:49,225 --> 00:21:52,478
at the theater where Sly
was the head usher for years.
543
00:21:52,562 --> 00:21:54,188
And I have a photo.
544
00:21:54,272 --> 00:21:57,483
We're standing there in really
cheesy polyester suits.
545
00:21:57,567 --> 00:22:00,069
I mean, we didn't have
any money, but that photo
546
00:22:00,153 --> 00:22:03,823
is the last photo
of him being unknown.
547
00:22:03,906 --> 00:22:06,284
From that day on ,it was crazy.
548
00:22:06,367 --> 00:22:11,956
That was the last vestiges
of privacy ever, which is fine.
549
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,084
I'm fine with it...
but to obscure is one thing,
550
00:22:15,168 --> 00:22:17,045
but it's nice to be
remembered for something.
551
00:22:17,128 --> 00:22:21,299
But, my brother, we were, you
know, together at that moment.
552
00:22:21,382 --> 00:22:24,385
So that was, that's pretty,
uh, pretty seismic.
553
00:22:26,804 --> 00:22:29,307
All of a sudden, overnight,
everything is Rocky.
554
00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:31,768
This movie is getting heat.
555
00:22:31,851 --> 00:22:33,811
When that whole effect happened,
and all of a sudden,
556
00:22:33,895 --> 00:22:37,231
we were the band singing
that song on the street corner,
557
00:22:38,399 --> 00:22:42,111
our management was able to go
into RCA Records and say,
558
00:22:42,195 --> 00:22:43,738
"Don't you want them
to have an album deal?
559
00:22:43,821 --> 00:22:45,740
Because they're in what's
looking to be like
560
00:22:45,823 --> 00:22:47,742
probably the best movie
of the year."
561
00:22:47,825 --> 00:22:49,494
So we got an album deal.
562
00:22:50,203 --> 00:22:52,497
The person who produced
the album was Tony Camilio.
563
00:22:52,580 --> 00:22:54,499
He came up
with an arrangement to do
564
00:22:54,582 --> 00:22:56,000
an orchestrated version
of "Take You Back."
565
00:22:56,084 --> 00:22:57,710
That's what
we released as a single.
566
00:22:57,794 --> 00:23:00,379
And as soon as
we released the album,
567
00:23:00,463 --> 00:23:04,300
the whole regime of RCA was...
was cut.
568
00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:06,427
So the people
who were A&R people,
569
00:23:06,511 --> 00:23:09,347
who would be doing promotion,
weren't there anymore.
570
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:11,474
So we were kind
of like thrown under the rug.
571
00:23:11,557 --> 00:23:13,142
After Rocky was out,
it kind of gave us
572
00:23:13,226 --> 00:23:14,477
a little impetus to get moving,
573
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,229
since we didn't
have RCA behind us.
574
00:23:16,312 --> 00:23:18,439
So our management
got us spots on,
575
00:23:18,523 --> 00:23:20,942
The Mike Douglas Show,
The Jim Nabors Show,
576
00:23:21,025 --> 00:23:22,443
but we also did
Midnight Special,
577
00:23:22,527 --> 00:23:24,737
which was a big rock
and roll show back then.
578
00:23:24,821 --> 00:23:26,864
Dinah! was the very first one.
579
00:23:26,948 --> 00:23:29,617
Sly introduced us
as his favorite band.
580
00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:31,160
I wonder if that's
still the case?
581
00:23:31,244 --> 00:23:33,204
Here they are, and making their,
I guess,
582
00:23:33,287 --> 00:23:36,541
television debut,
my favorite group, Valentine.
583
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:44,006
♪ Take you back ♪
584
00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:45,550
♪ Do do do do ♪
585
00:23:45,633 --> 00:23:46,968
♪ Take you back, yeah, yeah ♪
586
00:23:47,051 --> 00:23:48,636
Right after we'd play,
587
00:23:48,719 --> 00:23:51,556
I'd go over to the couch,
and everything went to,
588
00:23:51,639 --> 00:23:53,391
"Hey, Frank,
the group sounds great.
589
00:23:53,474 --> 00:23:55,810
So what's it
like being Rocky's brother?
590
00:23:55,893 --> 00:23:58,604
So what's it like...
being in the shadow?"
591
00:23:58,688 --> 00:24:01,149
So all this started,
and I'd never had that before.
592
00:24:01,232 --> 00:24:03,484
They thought I was a nice,
cute kid or something,
593
00:24:03,568 --> 00:24:04,902
but really,
they couldn't get him,
594
00:24:04,986 --> 00:24:06,529
so they'd get me,
ask me about him.
595
00:24:06,612 --> 00:24:10,533
I was always thought
of as Frank Stallone, musician.
596
00:24:10,616 --> 00:24:12,994
It was always Frank Stallone,
clap, musician.
597
00:24:13,744 --> 00:24:15,621
So now it was Frank Stallone/
598
00:24:15,705 --> 00:24:18,666
Rocky's brother/something else
then musician.
599
00:24:18,749 --> 00:24:22,044
He's gone through hell.
I mean, they would put signs up,
600
00:24:22,128 --> 00:24:24,547
"Appearing tonight,
Rocky's brother."
601
00:24:25,715 --> 00:24:28,843
I recognized immediately,
that's real awkward for Frank.
602
00:24:29,594 --> 00:24:31,345
Especially
as I've heard him say,
603
00:24:31,429 --> 00:24:33,806
"To be the brother
of a fictional character."
604
00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:36,976
"Rocky's brother,"
oh, man, come on.
605
00:24:37,059 --> 00:24:38,811
It's so degrading.
606
00:24:38,895 --> 00:24:40,563
And not about the movie,
I love the movie.
607
00:24:40,646 --> 00:24:42,231
It's just that,
it's like I felt like
608
00:24:42,315 --> 00:24:44,150
a complete and absolute failure.
609
00:24:44,233 --> 00:24:47,695
I would be bitter,
but he is bitter,
610
00:24:47,778 --> 00:24:49,864
and I like that about him.
He's very consistent.
611
00:24:49,947 --> 00:24:51,574
I was never mad at my brother.
612
00:24:51,657 --> 00:24:53,117
I always loved what he did.
613
00:24:53,201 --> 00:24:55,661
I was kind of mad that
I was being discounted,
614
00:24:55,745 --> 00:24:57,705
and treated in a way
that like I just picked up
615
00:24:57,788 --> 00:25:00,374
the guitar when Rocky
came out, not knowing
616
00:25:00,458 --> 00:25:02,418
the years of driving
through blizzards
617
00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:05,713
to go to gigs for no money,
and just learning the trade.
618
00:25:05,796 --> 00:25:07,673
We knew where the cards
were starting to go
619
00:25:07,757 --> 00:25:09,717
once we started
to show up at gigs.
620
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,762
And to highlight the connection,
a club owner would say,
621
00:25:12,845 --> 00:25:14,972
"Frank Stallone with Valentine."
622
00:25:15,056 --> 00:25:17,516
The guys in the band
weren't happy about it.
623
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,936
It was source of some
frustration and friction.
624
00:25:20,019 --> 00:25:21,687
We went with it, and
625
00:25:21,771 --> 00:25:24,649
Frank became more featured,
doing more lead vocals.
626
00:25:24,732 --> 00:25:26,567
The rest of the guys
didn't get as much
627
00:25:26,651 --> 00:25:28,653
time featured, with--
you know, in the band.
628
00:25:28,736 --> 00:25:31,239
It was too tempting,
and too much of...
629
00:25:31,322 --> 00:25:32,907
of a thing to turn down,
630
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:34,533
the notoriety, the success,
631
00:25:34,617 --> 00:25:37,370
but it created
a problem within the band,
632
00:25:37,453 --> 00:25:39,372
and the band didn't blame
Frank for that.
633
00:25:39,455 --> 00:25:42,124
Nobody was resentful at Frank,
because they recognized
634
00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:44,126
that Frank was
in a bad situation that way.
635
00:25:45,253 --> 00:25:47,588
I think it went
to Frank's head a little bit.
I don't know if he was, uh,
636
00:25:47,672 --> 00:25:50,591
he was a little hard to work
with, let's put it that way.
637
00:25:50,675 --> 00:25:52,718
It was a very dismal time.
638
00:25:52,802 --> 00:25:56,305
Very dismal because
this was kind of our shot.
639
00:25:56,389 --> 00:25:57,932
We'd lost our record deal.
640
00:25:58,015 --> 00:25:59,267
Nobody really wanted us.
641
00:25:59,350 --> 00:26:01,060
That was a tough
pill to swallow.
642
00:26:01,143 --> 00:26:03,020
And then it just kind of...
643
00:26:04,188 --> 00:26:05,606
...it kind of deflated.
644
00:26:07,275 --> 00:26:08,859
Frank can be moody.
645
00:26:09,318 --> 00:26:10,653
We would come to a gig,
and it was like,
646
00:26:10,736 --> 00:26:12,697
"Hey, Frank, how you doing?"
He was like,
647
00:26:12,780 --> 00:26:13,656
he wouldn't even say anything.
648
00:26:13,739 --> 00:26:15,825
Yeah, we had some tense moments.
649
00:26:15,908 --> 00:26:17,410
It got a little out of hand,
and I think
650
00:26:17,493 --> 00:26:19,120
maybe the competition
with his brother
651
00:26:19,203 --> 00:26:21,622
maybe brought out
some bad things.
652
00:26:21,706 --> 00:26:24,458
Uh, and it just-- I just
didn't want to take it
653
00:26:24,542 --> 00:26:25,835
anymore,
and I was a little fed up.
654
00:26:26,919 --> 00:26:28,754
I regret breaking up Valentine,
655
00:26:28,838 --> 00:26:30,339
because I think
we could've gotten past it.
656
00:26:30,423 --> 00:26:31,966
We were really a good band.
657
00:26:32,049 --> 00:26:34,343
We were really tight,
and we were friends.
658
00:26:34,427 --> 00:26:36,846
I just couldn't take
the moodiness anymore.
659
00:26:36,929 --> 00:26:38,556
And they tried to get me
back to reform the band,
660
00:26:38,639 --> 00:26:41,309
and I just said no, so.
661
00:26:41,392 --> 00:26:42,518
But I do regret it.
662
00:26:43,602 --> 00:26:45,479
It would be a nice thing
to be able to put
663
00:26:45,563 --> 00:26:48,107
a Valentine reunion together,
if we could make it happen.
664
00:26:48,190 --> 00:26:50,359
Somehow bring Jody back,
that would be the best.
665
00:26:55,114 --> 00:26:57,533
Jody, our bass player, um,
666
00:26:58,451 --> 00:27:00,369
unfortunately,
just recently passed.
667
00:27:00,453 --> 00:27:02,705
Amazing guy,
amazing bass player.
668
00:27:03,164 --> 00:27:04,707
Uh, him and I were very,
very tight.
669
00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:06,667
We played a lot
of gigs together.
670
00:27:06,751 --> 00:27:09,962
He had a service
in Pennsylvania.
671
00:27:10,046 --> 00:27:11,547
Frank had another commitment.
672
00:27:12,256 --> 00:27:15,885
And I thought that
that would be the moment
where we would reconnect.
673
00:27:15,968 --> 00:27:17,928
I know that there was an issue
674
00:27:18,012 --> 00:27:20,222
that surfaced with Robin.
675
00:27:20,306 --> 00:27:21,640
Would it be nice
for the three of us
676
00:27:21,724 --> 00:27:23,267
to be able
to get together again?
677
00:27:23,351 --> 00:27:25,394
Absolutely,
and I would hope we could bury
678
00:27:25,478 --> 00:27:27,313
whatever hatchet, uh,
679
00:27:27,938 --> 00:27:29,857
Frank feels needs to be buried.
680
00:27:30,608 --> 00:27:31,734
We parted company.
681
00:27:31,817 --> 00:27:34,153
It wasn't on the best of terms.
682
00:27:34,528 --> 00:27:36,030
But, um, I love the guy.
683
00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:37,740
I really miss him,
684
00:27:38,407 --> 00:27:40,409
and I miss his humor.
685
00:27:40,910 --> 00:27:43,954
I miss just being
with him as a friend.
686
00:27:46,290 --> 00:27:47,375
Oh, man.
687
00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:53,255
I haven't seen these guitars...
in almost 40 years.
688
00:27:54,006 --> 00:27:55,424
This is just kind of weird.
689
00:27:56,467 --> 00:27:57,760
I don't know
how I'm going to feel.
690
00:27:58,803 --> 00:28:02,431
But I know, like when Jody died,
691
00:28:03,224 --> 00:28:05,267
I didn't want to see
these guitars that,
692
00:28:05,976 --> 00:28:08,604
from the guy that stood
on my left side for almost,
693
00:28:09,355 --> 00:28:10,981
off and on, 20some years,
694
00:28:11,732 --> 00:28:15,403
go to some like wedding band,
you know?
695
00:28:15,486 --> 00:28:16,779
Oh, my God.
696
00:28:18,489 --> 00:28:19,532
Wow.
697
00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:21,617
Look at this.
698
00:28:22,785 --> 00:28:25,538
Look at this, man.
699
00:28:25,621 --> 00:28:26,622
Look at this case.
700
00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:27,957
All the names on it.
701
00:28:28,874 --> 00:28:29,959
All our friends.
702
00:28:33,546 --> 00:28:35,172
Oh, God, look at this.
703
00:28:36,465 --> 00:28:39,218
That's a 1963
Höfner Beatle Bass.
704
00:28:39,927 --> 00:28:42,221
Wow! Look at this.
705
00:28:43,556 --> 00:28:45,724
Man, this is the bass he used
706
00:28:45,808 --> 00:28:48,185
when we did our
first album for RCA.
707
00:28:48,269 --> 00:28:50,146
This reminds me of, you know,
my youth.
708
00:28:52,773 --> 00:28:53,649
Oh, my God.
709
00:28:54,525 --> 00:28:56,527
Hey, Bill. How you doing, man?
710
00:28:57,153 --> 00:28:58,529
Oh, my God, look at this guy.
711
00:28:58,612 --> 00:29:00,239
Are you crazy?
- Hey, Robin.
712
00:29:00,322 --> 00:29:01,740
How are you, man?
713
00:29:01,824 --> 00:29:03,200
How you doing, man?
714
00:29:03,951 --> 00:29:07,496
I know the last time I saw you
these weren't in CD,
715
00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:10,249
so there you go, and this.
716
00:29:10,332 --> 00:29:11,667
Oh, man.
- Oh, my God.
717
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:12,710
Geez.
718
00:29:12,793 --> 00:29:14,670
This has been a long time, man.
719
00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:16,964
This was the team,
this is...
720
00:29:17,047 --> 00:29:20,009
...this is the team here,
and we're going to have
a lot of fun, man, tonight.
721
00:29:20,092 --> 00:29:22,136
This bass guitar belonged to
722
00:29:22,219 --> 00:29:24,221
one of my best friends.
He just died.
723
00:29:24,305 --> 00:29:26,307
I wanted to honor
with him tonight,
724
00:29:26,390 --> 00:29:28,851
Hussein, playing Jody's bass.
725
00:29:28,934 --> 00:29:30,060
"I'll Take You Back."
726
00:29:33,606 --> 00:29:35,191
♪ Take you back ♪
727
00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:36,775
♪ Do do do do ♪
728
00:29:36,859 --> 00:29:39,612
♪ Take you back ♪
729
00:29:39,695 --> 00:29:41,113
One, two, three.
- ♪ Take you back ♪
730
00:29:41,197 --> 00:29:43,199
♪ Do do do do ♪
731
00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:45,409
♪ Take you back ♪
732
00:29:45,493 --> 00:29:47,411
♪ Well I've been told by... ♪
733
00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:51,957
I think after I did Rocky,
I might have had
734
00:29:52,041 --> 00:29:53,792
maybe had $1,000 saved,
735
00:29:53,876 --> 00:29:56,545
and I was back to square one
with nothing, no money.
736
00:29:56,629 --> 00:29:59,089
So I ended up playing
at these little clubs
737
00:29:59,173 --> 00:30:01,008
by myself
with an acoustic guitar.
738
00:30:01,091 --> 00:30:02,510
I mean, motor inns.
739
00:30:02,593 --> 00:30:04,261
And the worst thing
is the signs.
740
00:30:04,345 --> 00:30:07,014
Like in chalk, "Frank Stallone,
Rocky's brother,
741
00:30:07,097 --> 00:30:08,516
Straight from Rocky."
742
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:10,100
And I made $30 a night.
743
00:30:10,184 --> 00:30:12,186
It wasn't so much being
the folk singer,
744
00:30:12,269 --> 00:30:14,396
it was the thing like,
"Rocky's brother,
745
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,273
well, what is he doing
playing here?
746
00:30:16,357 --> 00:30:18,776
Shouldn't he be in California,
and shouldn't he be driving
747
00:30:18,859 --> 00:30:21,362
a new car, or a Vette,
or something cool?"
748
00:30:21,445 --> 00:30:22,655
No.
749
00:30:22,738 --> 00:30:24,281
And in between that, I came out,
750
00:30:24,365 --> 00:30:26,575
and I sang in Paradise Alley,
751
00:30:26,659 --> 00:30:28,202
but also, I did Rocky II.
752
00:30:30,162 --> 00:30:34,083
Frank was working with his trio,
753
00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:36,669
and it was rather beautiful.
754
00:30:36,752 --> 00:30:39,922
Sort of like a,
a chorus of musicians
755
00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:43,008
that sort of sang
the love song of Adrian
756
00:30:43,092 --> 00:30:45,219
and Rocky along the way,
757
00:30:45,719 --> 00:30:47,304
and it...
758
00:30:47,388 --> 00:30:51,141
...it gave the piece a kind
of tone, a fairytale tone.
759
00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:54,311
And I would look over at Frank,
and he was...
760
00:30:55,354 --> 00:30:59,525
First of all, he's very
handsome, and very gifted.
761
00:30:59,608 --> 00:31:01,402
And I would look over at him,
and it was
762
00:31:01,485 --> 00:31:03,571
always a pure moment with Frank,
763
00:31:03,654 --> 00:31:07,866
because Frank
clearly was a real musician.
764
00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:11,161
♪ There are two kinds of love ♪
765
00:31:11,245 --> 00:31:13,497
♪ That you oughta know ♪
766
00:31:13,581 --> 00:31:17,293
♪ There are two kinds of love ♪
767
00:31:17,376 --> 00:31:18,711
He flipped a quarter.
768
00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:20,296
He made that little song
769
00:31:20,379 --> 00:31:22,131
very warm, very great.
770
00:31:22,673 --> 00:31:24,008
It was wonderful.
771
00:31:24,091 --> 00:31:25,718
He contributes a lot, you know?
772
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:29,138
He's... he's good
to have around.
773
00:31:36,645 --> 00:31:39,023
Frank,
unbeknownst to a lot of people,
774
00:31:39,106 --> 00:31:40,441
has a huge boxing background.
775
00:31:42,943 --> 00:31:46,697
Frank just took to it,
and developed as a fighter.
776
00:31:46,780 --> 00:31:49,825
He had a good corner,
had a terrific left hook.
777
00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:52,870
He was very faithful
to his training.
No smoking or drinking.
778
00:31:52,953 --> 00:31:55,789
And had several great
amateur fights
779
00:31:55,873 --> 00:31:59,126
against some very,
very tough competition.
780
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,764
When he was fighting also,
he didn't have to wear headgear.
781
00:32:11,847 --> 00:32:13,891
And you know what?
There is no difference between
782
00:32:13,974 --> 00:32:16,310
professional and amateur,
783
00:32:16,393 --> 00:32:18,187
only that professionals
get paid.
784
00:32:18,646 --> 00:32:21,231
you still get punched
in the face a dozen times.
785
00:32:21,315 --> 00:32:23,317
You're still taking the abuse.
786
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,902
He was a contender.
787
00:32:24,985 --> 00:32:26,487
He's got the fighters eye,
788
00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:28,238
and you only get
that if you were a fighter,
789
00:32:28,322 --> 00:32:30,574
if you've been
in that ring more than once,
790
00:32:30,658 --> 00:32:32,409
and he was in there
quite a few times.
791
00:32:33,911 --> 00:32:37,081
Frank is an extremely cerebral
and intelligent man.
792
00:32:37,164 --> 00:32:38,832
I don't think there's
any question you can throw
793
00:32:38,916 --> 00:32:41,210
at Frank Stallone about boxing
that he can't answer.
794
00:32:41,293 --> 00:32:42,711
He's a plethora of knowledge.
795
00:32:42,795 --> 00:32:44,797
And what I love
about being around Frank is,
796
00:32:45,297 --> 00:32:47,216
aside from the fact,
and I love you Frank,
797
00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:48,509
but he will never stop talking,
798
00:32:48,592 --> 00:32:50,135
but everything he talks about
799
00:32:50,219 --> 00:32:51,220
make sense.
800
00:32:51,303 --> 00:32:53,013
He's full of information.
801
00:32:53,097 --> 00:32:55,349
He,
802
00:32:55,432 --> 00:32:57,434
he's got a lot
of stories to tell,
803
00:32:58,185 --> 00:32:59,603
and he's fun to listen to.
804
00:32:59,687 --> 00:33:02,064
He has the best memory.
805
00:33:02,147 --> 00:33:04,274
Um, sometimes Sly and Frank
get into battles,
806
00:33:04,358 --> 00:33:06,402
but I always believed Frank,
807
00:33:06,485 --> 00:33:09,905
because he always comes up
with the story that's correct,
808
00:33:09,988 --> 00:33:11,365
and I'm going with Frank.
809
00:33:11,448 --> 00:33:14,159
Frank, as a boxing historian,
810
00:33:14,243 --> 00:33:17,287
this man knows
more than anybody,
811
00:33:17,371 --> 00:33:19,707
plus he's got total recall.
812
00:33:19,790 --> 00:33:25,379
I've got dementia,
so I can't remember my losses,
813
00:33:25,462 --> 00:33:26,714
only my wins.
814
00:33:27,548 --> 00:33:32,302
Frank had that knowledge
that savant every detail.
815
00:33:32,386 --> 00:33:35,514
One argument ended, "Well,
this guy did this and this,"
816
00:33:35,597 --> 00:33:38,225
and then Frank goes, "Well,
I have all his press clippings.
817
00:33:38,308 --> 00:33:40,602
I have his trunks, his robe,
and his gun."
818
00:33:41,729 --> 00:33:43,188
Frank's a very tough individual.
819
00:33:43,272 --> 00:33:44,857
I mean, he's a warrior
in his own right.
820
00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:46,358
Even if it gets down
to the fight he had
821
00:33:46,442 --> 00:33:47,776
with Geraldo Rivera
on Howard Stern
822
00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:49,361
years ago, that my brother,
823
00:33:49,445 --> 00:33:50,863
the legendary Michael Buffer,
announced,
824
00:33:50,946 --> 00:33:52,281
they went in there,
and they slugged it out
825
00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:53,532
for those three
two minute rounds.
826
00:33:53,615 --> 00:33:55,534
Back in 1992, I owned
827
00:33:55,617 --> 00:33:57,578
a boxing gym on 57th Street
828
00:33:57,661 --> 00:33:59,538
right here in Manhattan
just behind me.
829
00:33:59,621 --> 00:34:01,415
It was called
the Broadcast Boxing Gym.
830
00:34:01,498 --> 00:34:03,667
And so I was talking about it
on The Howard Stern Show,
831
00:34:03,751 --> 00:34:05,627
and he said, "I'm going
to promote a fight.
832
00:34:05,711 --> 00:34:07,254
You're going to be
in this fight."
833
00:34:07,337 --> 00:34:09,798
So it turned out that
he had Frank Stallone lined up.
834
00:34:09,882 --> 00:34:11,884
I mean, Frank Stallone,
he's a younger,
835
00:34:11,967 --> 00:34:13,469
far better fighter than me,
all right?
836
00:34:13,552 --> 00:34:15,137
Frank was semipro.
837
00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:17,556
I was just a flailer
in my own gym.
838
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,851
In the first round, he hit me
with some of those shots.
839
00:34:20,934 --> 00:34:23,061
They felt like he was hitting me
with a baseball bat.
840
00:34:23,145 --> 00:34:25,063
I remember a couple of times,
841
00:34:25,147 --> 00:34:27,065
that I really was knocked out
842
00:34:27,149 --> 00:34:29,193
on my feet.
- When you see
the boxing match,
843
00:34:29,276 --> 00:34:30,819
it's actually
a really good boxing match.
844
00:34:30,903 --> 00:34:32,362
These guys were
really going at it.
845
00:34:32,446 --> 00:34:34,072
There's no losing.
You can't lose,
846
00:34:34,156 --> 00:34:36,033
because, you know, it's the
name. It's the Stallone name,
847
00:34:36,116 --> 00:34:37,785
so he better be good in boxing.
848
00:34:37,868 --> 00:34:40,204
But he beat Geraldo,
and to do that under pressure
849
00:34:40,287 --> 00:34:41,747
for a charity event
850
00:34:41,830 --> 00:34:43,332
shows you what kind
of guy he is.
851
00:34:43,415 --> 00:34:45,417
Frank Stallone, a real man,
852
00:34:45,501 --> 00:34:48,587
a real man, a real fighter,
and a, and a great guy.
853
00:34:58,347 --> 00:35:00,432
I was getting really depressed,
854
00:35:00,516 --> 00:35:02,601
and I had to get
some psychotherapy,
855
00:35:02,684 --> 00:35:04,102
and my brother paid for it.
856
00:35:04,728 --> 00:35:06,647
He says, you know, he says,
"He's my only brother.
857
00:35:06,730 --> 00:35:07,898
He's just going through
something." He knew
858
00:35:07,981 --> 00:35:09,358
I suffered from panic attacks,
859
00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:11,109
and he took care of it for me,
860
00:35:11,193 --> 00:35:12,861
and it helped.
861
00:35:12,945 --> 00:35:14,947
And then he said,
"Just come to California."
862
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:17,366
I said, "Really?" He goes,
"Yeah, just come to California."
863
00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:18,867
I said, "Just like that?"
He goes, "Yeah."
864
00:35:19,576 --> 00:35:22,246
My hero was Harry Nilsson,
the singer.
865
00:35:22,329 --> 00:35:25,874
Aerial Ballet, Pandemonium
Shadow Show, loved him.
866
00:35:25,958 --> 00:35:28,001
And Sly, when I moved
to Bel Air, he goes, "Hey,
867
00:35:28,085 --> 00:35:29,753
you know who lives next door?"
I said, "Who's that?"
868
00:35:29,837 --> 00:35:31,713
He goes, "Harry Nilsson."
I go, "What?"
869
00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:35,008
He ended up producing me, and he
never produced anybody before,
870
00:35:35,092 --> 00:35:36,635
just me. So we're in the studio,
871
00:35:36,718 --> 00:35:38,637
and this is the who's
who of recording is in there.
872
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,682
It's Harry Nilsson, producer,
and Van Dyke Parks,
873
00:35:41,765 --> 00:35:43,684
Klaus Voormann,
he played with The Beatles,
874
00:35:43,767 --> 00:35:46,395
Freddy Tackett, all the best
musicians were there,
875
00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:49,857
and all of a sudden, the
talkback goes, "John's dead."
876
00:35:50,482 --> 00:35:51,650
I said, "John who?"
877
00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:53,360
"Lennon."
878
00:35:54,027 --> 00:35:55,404
Former Beatle, John Lennon,
879
00:35:55,487 --> 00:35:56,488
is dead.
880
00:35:57,114 --> 00:35:59,950
Lennon died in a hospital
shortly after being shot
881
00:36:00,033 --> 00:36:02,536
outside his New York
apartment tonight.
882
00:36:02,619 --> 00:36:04,162
Harry Nilsson was
John's best friend,
883
00:36:04,246 --> 00:36:05,914
and they had had a falling out.
884
00:36:05,998 --> 00:36:08,458
Harry was just going to New York
in about a week and a half
885
00:36:08,542 --> 00:36:12,504
to kind of reconcile
their friendship,
so this was really bad.
886
00:36:12,588 --> 00:36:14,256
I'm trying to do a record,
you know?
887
00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:16,466
And people were like... "Cry it out, man,"
888
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:18,218
like blow coming out
of their nose,
889
00:36:18,302 --> 00:36:19,887
and I didn't do that stuff,
so I'm sitting
890
00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:22,014
there like-- I'm there,
"Oh, my God,
891
00:36:22,097 --> 00:36:23,807
the Scotti Brothers
are going to kill me,"
892
00:36:24,433 --> 00:36:26,226
you know, because I'm supposed
to finish this record.
893
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:29,730
The next day, we get
called into Scotti Brothers.
894
00:36:29,813 --> 00:36:36,320
We play what we have, and it
was dead silence, like this.
895
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,197
Are you kidding me?
896
00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:41,742
It was unlistenable.
897
00:36:41,825 --> 00:36:45,162
And Harry's sitting there
sweating with sunglasses on,
898
00:36:45,245 --> 00:36:47,706
like recovering
from the night before.
899
00:36:47,789 --> 00:36:49,333
To be with Harry Nilsson
900
00:36:49,416 --> 00:36:52,836
when John Lennon was killed
was really heavy.
901
00:36:54,046 --> 00:36:56,548
We were good friends, and, uh,
when he passed,
902
00:36:56,632 --> 00:36:59,217
it was very, uh, very sad.
903
00:36:59,801 --> 00:37:02,095
He abused himself,
but he was a wonderful guy.
904
00:37:02,179 --> 00:37:03,138
Just a great artist.
905
00:37:06,141 --> 00:37:07,351
Taxi!
906
00:37:08,185 --> 00:37:10,312
I don't find out from my
brother, but I find out
907
00:37:10,395 --> 00:37:12,856
that he's directing the sequel
to Saturday Night Fever.
908
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,443
And I went, "Whoa."
I mean, you have to understand,
909
00:37:16,526 --> 00:37:19,321
Saturday Night Fever was
the biggest musical in history,
910
00:37:19,404 --> 00:37:21,448
as far as album sales, huge.
911
00:37:21,531 --> 00:37:23,492
And a great movie, fantastic.
912
00:37:23,575 --> 00:37:26,411
There's no way I got a shot
in this, not even close.
913
00:37:26,495 --> 00:37:28,080
So I drive to Paramount,
914
00:37:28,163 --> 00:37:29,957
and I think they didn't
let me on the lot, or something.
915
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,708
My car was shitty.
I don't know what it was.
916
00:37:31,792 --> 00:37:34,002
So I said, you know, "I'm Frank
Stallone, Sly's brother."
917
00:37:34,086 --> 00:37:35,837
"Yeah, so what?"
I think I might've gone
918
00:37:35,921 --> 00:37:38,423
to a phone booth or called,
and they let me in.
919
00:37:38,507 --> 00:37:40,550
So anyway, I go in there,
and I said, "Sly, man,
920
00:37:40,634 --> 00:37:43,428
do you think there's
like a remote chance
921
00:37:43,512 --> 00:37:45,764
I could get like a song
in the movie?"
922
00:37:45,847 --> 00:37:47,474
"Yeah,
I don't think so." I said,
923
00:37:47,557 --> 00:37:48,892
"Okay, that's
all I want to know."
924
00:37:48,976 --> 00:37:50,894
I said,
"But just like an instrumental."
925
00:37:50,978 --> 00:37:52,270
I'm figuring if I just get like
926
00:37:52,354 --> 00:37:54,398
a 15 second thing of,
you know...
927
00:37:54,481 --> 00:37:56,358
like John
928
00:37:56,441 --> 00:37:58,276
going to the bathroom,
and taking a whiz or something.
929
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,695
You know, at least
I can get some royalties,
930
00:37:59,778 --> 00:38:01,405
and I'll make some money.
My brother
931
00:38:01,488 --> 00:38:03,991
plays me the Bee Gees'
new songs,
932
00:38:04,074 --> 00:38:06,118
but it's just kind
of the acoustic guitar,
933
00:38:06,201 --> 00:38:09,788
real barebones, and I'm there,
"Oh, man, I'm screwed,"
934
00:38:09,871 --> 00:38:11,206
because they're great. I mean,
935
00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:12,666
the Bee Gees are fantastic.
936
00:38:12,749 --> 00:38:14,668
So he patronizes me,
and he says, "Ew,
937
00:38:14,751 --> 00:38:16,545
just write some stuff.
Why don't you and the guys
938
00:38:16,628 --> 00:38:18,755
write some stuff?" I said, "All
right, we'll write some stuff."
939
00:38:18,839 --> 00:38:21,466
And every few weeks,
I would pull up to the studio
940
00:38:21,550 --> 00:38:23,969
with a cassette. All my songs
are getting turned down,
941
00:38:24,052 --> 00:38:25,846
but I'm working, man.
I have, uh, I have
942
00:38:25,929 --> 00:38:28,724
a train of consciousness,
and I'm working my ass off.
943
00:38:28,807 --> 00:38:31,560
I get a call.
"Hey, Brother, it's Sly."
944
00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:33,270
I said, "Okay,
I know he wants something."
945
00:38:33,353 --> 00:38:35,105
He goes, "Yeah, remember
those songs you wrote?"
946
00:38:35,188 --> 00:38:36,523
I go, "Yeah, of course I do.
947
00:38:36,606 --> 00:38:37,607
You mean the ones
you turned down?"
948
00:38:37,691 --> 00:38:38,817
Of course I remember them.
949
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:39,943
No, I forgot about them.
950
00:38:40,610 --> 00:38:43,822
I just part my heart and soul
into like 12, 13 songs.
951
00:38:43,905 --> 00:38:45,741
He goes, "Yeah,
we've got a problem.
952
00:38:46,283 --> 00:38:48,201
The Bee Gees
walked off the movie."
953
00:38:48,285 --> 00:38:50,996
Something went down,
and they kind of walked off.
954
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,373
Only part of the soundtrack
for Staying Alive
955
00:38:53,457 --> 00:38:55,042
was created by the Bee Gees,
956
00:38:55,125 --> 00:38:56,918
but originally,
the brothers Gibb
957
00:38:57,002 --> 00:38:59,254
didn't even want to be
involved in the sequel.
958
00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:02,007
We thought that it's been done,
and let's leave,
959
00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:05,135
let's leave our music out of it
this time, and you get
somebody else to do it.
960
00:39:05,218 --> 00:39:07,804
But after some
heavy contract negotiations,
961
00:39:07,888 --> 00:39:10,640
the Bee Gees agreed to create
part of the music for the movie.
962
00:39:10,724 --> 00:39:12,726
At that time,
they were musical gods,
963
00:39:12,809 --> 00:39:15,312
but they were coming up with,
with okay songs,
964
00:39:15,395 --> 00:39:18,482
but they had done such
an amazing job on the first one
965
00:39:18,565 --> 00:39:22,027
that the songs were
not even as magnificent,
966
00:39:22,110 --> 00:39:25,072
or as accomplished,
as they were in the first album.
967
00:39:25,155 --> 00:39:27,741
So he goes, "Listen,
bring those cassettes,
968
00:39:27,824 --> 00:39:29,493
you know, with the songs."
So we go,
969
00:39:29,576 --> 00:39:31,828
and John's renting
a house out here,
970
00:39:31,912 --> 00:39:35,207
and, uh, we're having lunch,
and they're talking,
971
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:37,459
and, you know,
it's like Sly's talking to John.
972
00:39:37,542 --> 00:39:40,212
They're talking business
at the table having lunch.
973
00:39:40,295 --> 00:39:42,005
And I'm kind of...
974
00:39:42,714 --> 00:39:44,841
...laughing to myself,
because it's so ridiculous.
975
00:39:44,925 --> 00:39:48,303
It's like Barbarino
from Welcome Back, Kotter
meets Rocky.
976
00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:51,264
"I swear to God, they're proud.
The Bee Gees... "
977
00:39:51,348 --> 00:39:54,601
"Absolutely, we've got
a big problem. The Bee Gees..."
978
00:39:54,684 --> 00:39:56,019
"Yeah, I just really, yeah."
979
00:39:56,103 --> 00:39:57,979
And John's got these big teeth,
you know?
980
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,982
And he's like, it's the smile.
981
00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:03,318
Just like Barbarino.
He puts the tape on.
982
00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:05,403
So John goes...
"Well, who is that?"
983
00:40:05,487 --> 00:40:07,197
And Sly goes, "It's Frank."
984
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,616
And John, John goes like,
"Frank?"
985
00:40:09,699 --> 00:40:12,702
He couldn't even
imagine that came out of me,
986
00:40:12,786 --> 00:40:14,621
like I was Fredo
in Godfather II,
987
00:40:14,704 --> 00:40:16,998
"Hey, Mike, I'm your older
brother. I can do things!"
988
00:40:17,582 --> 00:40:19,501
He ended up writing
the majority of the songs,
989
00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:21,628
and, you know, I caught hell
for it, but I said,
990
00:40:21,711 --> 00:40:23,505
"Hey, it sounds
good to me, guys."
991
00:40:23,588 --> 00:40:27,259
The opening to the movie,
they put "Far From Over."
992
00:40:41,982 --> 00:40:43,150
♪ This is the end ♪
993
00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:48,864
♪ You made your choice
and now my chance is over ♪
994
00:40:48,947 --> 00:40:52,450
Ever week or something, they
start adding another song in.
995
00:40:52,534 --> 00:40:54,828
So by the end, there's like
nine songs in the movie,
996
00:40:55,412 --> 00:40:58,790
but there's some jealousy
going on, you know, on the set,
997
00:40:58,874 --> 00:41:02,377
because they think I'm getting,
you know, favored attention.
998
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:04,379
How come he's staring
at you like that?
999
00:41:04,462 --> 00:41:06,840
Maybe, in a way, but I worked
my ass off on this.
1000
00:41:06,923 --> 00:41:08,717
No one wrote these songs for me.
I wrote them.
1001
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,137
Nobody sat in the studio
with no air conditioning
1002
00:41:12,220 --> 00:41:14,264
sweating until the wee hours
of the night
1003
00:41:14,347 --> 00:41:16,474
to try to get everything right
with these great musicians
1004
00:41:16,558 --> 00:41:19,936
I was working with, and I was
never so busy in my life.
1005
00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:22,856
I never felt...
so good about it,
1006
00:41:22,939 --> 00:41:25,775
because I've spent so many years
feeling so bad about myself,
1007
00:41:25,859 --> 00:41:28,403
I never felt
so good about myself.
1008
00:41:28,486 --> 00:41:30,530
It was something I was
born to do, you know,
1009
00:41:30,614 --> 00:41:32,824
and I was able,
for once in my life,
1010
00:41:32,908 --> 00:41:34,743
to be able to show people
what I could do,
1011
00:41:34,826 --> 00:41:37,287
because before, it was always,
you know, a struggle,
1012
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:39,456
and then when Rocky came out,
it was Rocky's brother.
1013
00:41:39,539 --> 00:41:41,833
So no one ever took me
like kind of serious. I did.
1014
00:41:41,917 --> 00:41:46,171
♪ Waking up, you're still
sleeping by my side ♪
1015
00:41:46,254 --> 00:41:48,465
That was the greatest time,
watching my music,
1016
00:41:48,548 --> 00:41:50,842
watching
like these choreographers
1017
00:41:50,926 --> 00:41:52,594
choreographing dance
to my music.
1018
00:41:52,677 --> 00:41:55,180
So it was pretty awesome
to be writing the songs,
1019
00:41:55,263 --> 00:41:58,225
and having like 150 dancing
hot chicks at the set.
1020
00:41:58,934 --> 00:42:02,103
That was like putting the fox
in the henhouse on that one.
1021
00:42:02,187 --> 00:42:06,524
They were paying me $3,500,
$4,000 for a song.
1022
00:42:07,108 --> 00:42:09,027
I'd never seen this kind
of money, never.
1023
00:42:09,110 --> 00:42:10,403
Little did I know,
1024
00:42:10,487 --> 00:42:12,239
they were also keeping
my publishing,
1025
00:42:12,322 --> 00:42:14,032
which would've made me
a multimillionaire.
1026
00:42:14,115 --> 00:42:15,909
But I'm not kicking.
It was great.
1027
00:42:15,992 --> 00:42:17,994
If it really wasn't
for John and Sly,
1028
00:42:18,078 --> 00:42:19,246
I wouldn't have gotten
the songs in.
1029
00:42:19,329 --> 00:42:20,288
♪ This is the end ♪
1030
00:42:22,499 --> 00:42:25,961
♪ You made your choice
and now my chance is over ♪
1031
00:42:27,796 --> 00:42:29,297
♪ I thought I was in ♪
1032
00:42:31,341 --> 00:42:32,926
♪ You put me... ♪
- I had
a date one night,
1033
00:42:33,009 --> 00:42:35,595
and what comes on the radio?
"Far From Over."
1034
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:37,722
The first I ever heard it,
sitting with this gal,
1035
00:42:37,806 --> 00:42:41,643
who was a big shot in the music
business, and she says,
1036
00:42:41,726 --> 00:42:43,270
"So are you ready?" I go,
"What do you mean?"
1037
00:42:44,479 --> 00:42:45,355
"That's a hit record.
1038
00:42:45,855 --> 00:42:48,108
Are you ready?"
I said, "I guess."
1039
00:42:48,191 --> 00:42:50,568
And I'll never forget
at the premiere,
1040
00:42:50,652 --> 00:42:52,821
I was like this big shot, man.
I mean, you look at the end,
1041
00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:55,532
it's Frank Stallone,
Frank Stallone, Frank Stallone,
Frank Stallone.
1042
00:42:55,615 --> 00:42:57,534
Rocky was great because
the whole thing was great,
1043
00:42:57,617 --> 00:43:00,245
and I was so happy for my
brother, but this was for me.
1044
00:43:00,328 --> 00:43:01,663
This is something that I did.
1045
00:43:01,746 --> 00:43:03,957
This is
the chance of a lifetime.
1046
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,334
I was nominated
for a Grammy and Golden Globe
1047
00:43:06,418 --> 00:43:09,004
for best soundtrack
and for best song.
1048
00:43:09,087 --> 00:43:11,298
I lost. I said, "Okay, fine,
1049
00:43:11,381 --> 00:43:13,174
at least I'm nominated.
I feel great."
1050
00:43:13,258 --> 00:43:14,968
Are you kidding?
Coming from playing
1051
00:43:15,051 --> 00:43:17,262
like at the Beef & Ale
to being nominated
1052
00:43:17,345 --> 00:43:19,264
for a Grammy and Golden Globe.
I actually
1053
00:43:19,347 --> 00:43:20,640
opened the Golden Globes.
1054
00:43:20,724 --> 00:43:22,350
I performed.
I was the first act.
1055
00:43:23,351 --> 00:43:24,811
And I get a call
from my brother.
1056
00:43:24,894 --> 00:43:26,146
That was the day
they were announcing
1057
00:43:26,229 --> 00:43:28,148
the Academy Award nominations,
1058
00:43:28,898 --> 00:43:31,276
and now we break out
the champagne,
1059
00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:33,069
the nominations are coming in,
1060
00:43:33,153 --> 00:43:34,612
and then he said, "Frank,
it's your brother." I go,
1061
00:43:34,696 --> 00:43:36,364
"Oh, Christ, who, who died?"
1062
00:43:36,448 --> 00:43:38,450
"Uh, you didn't get
your nomination."
1063
00:43:38,533 --> 00:43:40,035
I go, "What?
1064
00:43:40,702 --> 00:43:42,162
I didn't get my nomination?
1065
00:43:42,245 --> 00:43:44,497
Are you kidding me?
This is insane!"
1066
00:43:44,581 --> 00:43:47,542
And now I'm pissed, because
now I know that's bullshit,
1067
00:43:47,625 --> 00:43:50,086
and that's unfair, because
it was a number one record.
1068
00:43:50,170 --> 00:43:51,963
I'm above Thriller.
1069
00:43:52,047 --> 00:43:55,383
I'm above Billy Joel's album.
I'm above Synchronicity.
1070
00:43:55,467 --> 00:43:57,969
Not for a long time,
but at one point, I was there.
1071
00:43:58,053 --> 00:44:00,221
Here's my first break,
and I got screwed,
1072
00:44:00,305 --> 00:44:01,598
and then I realized
at that point,
1073
00:44:01,681 --> 00:44:03,433
that's insider
Hollywood bullshit.
1074
00:44:04,017 --> 00:44:05,810
I wasn't expecting to win,
1075
00:44:05,894 --> 00:44:08,021
but I would've loved
to have had that nomination.
1076
00:44:08,104 --> 00:44:09,939
You have to be thick skinned.
1077
00:44:10,023 --> 00:44:11,566
You have to have determination.
1078
00:44:11,649 --> 00:44:13,568
You have to be
able to swallow it.
1079
00:44:13,651 --> 00:44:15,862
You know, not that you have
to take shit and eat shit,
1080
00:44:15,945 --> 00:44:18,198
but you have to,
you have to be able to say,
1081
00:44:18,281 --> 00:44:19,741
"You know what?
Okay, fuck them."
1082
00:44:21,785 --> 00:44:23,745
So that Academy Award
thing really
1083
00:44:23,828 --> 00:44:26,081
ripped the heart out of me,
and I suffered
1084
00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:28,416
with it for a while,
but you gather yourself,
1085
00:44:28,917 --> 00:44:31,044
and I gathered myself. I said,
"I'll be back. I'm not dead."
1086
00:44:31,127 --> 00:44:33,004
I still-- You know, as long
as I can still play guitar
1087
00:44:33,088 --> 00:44:35,173
and write a song, I'm in,
I'm in the game.
1088
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:39,636
♪ Save me darling ♪
1089
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:44,140
♪ I am down
but I am far from over ♪
1090
00:44:46,351 --> 00:44:48,478
♪ Give me something ♪
1091
00:44:49,104 --> 00:44:50,980
♪ I need it all
because I am... ♪
1092
00:44:51,064 --> 00:44:52,857
What's happening
in your life now?
1093
00:44:52,941 --> 00:44:54,526
Well, it's good.
1094
00:44:54,609 --> 00:44:56,444
Well, the record is doing well.
1095
00:44:56,528 --> 00:44:58,029
I have a great band,
and we're writing,
1096
00:44:58,113 --> 00:44:59,656
and I'll be starting
a solo album in about...
1097
00:44:59,739 --> 00:45:01,699
November or October.
1098
00:45:01,783 --> 00:45:03,701
I had a big year,
this should be no problem
1099
00:45:03,785 --> 00:45:05,870
getting an album due.
My manager,
1100
00:45:05,954 --> 00:45:07,705
he was saying too, you know,
"Yeah, we needed a solo album.
1101
00:45:07,789 --> 00:45:10,125
Let's follow up with that."
He just comes back
1102
00:45:10,208 --> 00:45:12,210
with one deal.
I said, "That's it?"
1103
00:45:12,293 --> 00:45:14,546
In those days, everything
was a three album deal.
1104
00:45:14,629 --> 00:45:17,549
I don't know, shit.
I said, "Well, whatever."
1105
00:45:17,632 --> 00:45:19,759
Back then, this is the '80s,
a different time.
1106
00:45:19,843 --> 00:45:21,594
This is when albums sold.
1107
00:45:21,678 --> 00:45:23,638
This better have
a couple singles on it
1108
00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:26,433
to go to radio, and get
in the top 20, or you're done.
1109
00:45:26,516 --> 00:45:28,810
That put a lot of pressure,
I would think,
1110
00:45:28,893 --> 00:45:31,646
on that one album. This thing
has got to be a smash.
1111
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:33,898
It was because
of Russ Regan we got on.
1112
00:45:33,982 --> 00:45:36,651
Russ Regan's like a legend
in this business.
1113
00:45:36,734 --> 00:45:38,820
You know,
he's one of the great A&R guys.
1114
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,948
I had first met Frank in 1983
1115
00:45:42,532 --> 00:45:44,826
when I was working
for PolyGram Records.
1116
00:45:44,909 --> 00:45:47,996
He had a few demos he had made,
and I listened to them,
1117
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:49,747
and I said,
"You're pretty good, kid."
1118
00:45:49,831 --> 00:45:51,124
He said,
"You've made superstars."
1119
00:45:51,207 --> 00:45:53,001
He said,
"Why don't you make me a star?"
1120
00:45:53,084 --> 00:45:55,253
So I signed him
to PolyGram Records.
1121
00:45:55,336 --> 00:45:57,755
You know, I signed Neil Diamond.
He's a great writer.
1122
00:45:57,839 --> 00:45:59,757
I signed Elton John.
He's a great writer.
1123
00:45:59,841 --> 00:46:01,759
Barry White, a great writer.
1124
00:46:01,843 --> 00:46:03,261
Alan Parsons is a great writer.
1125
00:46:03,344 --> 00:46:04,929
Brian Wilson, great writer.
1126
00:46:05,013 --> 00:46:06,598
That's one of the things,
by the way,
1127
00:46:06,681 --> 00:46:08,766
that I liked about Frank,
that he was a writer.
1128
00:46:08,850 --> 00:46:10,560
That influenced me a lot
1129
00:46:10,643 --> 00:46:13,271
on his signing
to the PolyGram Records.
1130
00:46:13,354 --> 00:46:14,814
He did a great job.
1131
00:46:14,898 --> 00:46:17,400
He was always wonderful
to work with.
1132
00:46:17,484 --> 00:46:19,861
Had a great personality.
A very charismatic
1133
00:46:19,944 --> 00:46:21,988
character, and hard not to like.
1134
00:46:22,572 --> 00:46:25,033
You know, I'm a young guy.
You know, I'm on every TV show.
1135
00:46:25,116 --> 00:46:27,202
We've got more of music's
best coming your way,
1136
00:46:27,285 --> 00:46:28,995
including Frank Stallone.
1137
00:46:29,078 --> 00:46:30,788
♪ Oh, darling ♪
1138
00:46:32,457 --> 00:46:34,250
♪ I wish you were lying ♪
1139
00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:37,587
♪ When you said that
you're leaving me, darling ♪
1140
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:39,339
We did David Letterman,
1141
00:46:39,422 --> 00:46:41,466
which I didn't get to sing on,
which was weird.
1142
00:46:45,595 --> 00:46:47,805
Oh, sorry. Just leave
that alone. You all right?
- I'm fine.
1143
00:46:47,889 --> 00:46:50,475
Good to see you.
Thanks for being here.
Congratulations on the success
1144
00:46:50,558 --> 00:46:52,101
of the album. And the picture.
- On the picture. Yeah.
1145
00:46:52,185 --> 00:46:53,186
That's a good looking picture.
- Thanks.
1146
00:46:53,269 --> 00:46:54,187
I was on a date
1147
00:46:54,270 --> 00:46:55,230
with some girl I'd met,
1148
00:46:55,313 --> 00:46:56,439
and there's a giant picture
1149
00:46:56,523 --> 00:46:57,982
of my album cover,
1150
00:46:58,066 --> 00:46:59,859
like ten feet by ten feet
1151
00:46:59,943 --> 00:47:01,444
on Tower Records on Sunset.
1152
00:47:01,528 --> 00:47:02,987
Okay, the kids in.
1153
00:47:04,864 --> 00:47:05,949
The album didn't do well.
1154
00:47:06,616 --> 00:47:07,867
Things just didn't work,
you know?
1155
00:47:07,951 --> 00:47:09,285
I mean, the album died.
1156
00:47:09,369 --> 00:47:11,663
You know, I've waited
almost 20something years
1157
00:47:11,746 --> 00:47:13,581
to have my first solo album.
1158
00:47:13,665 --> 00:47:16,543
It's like, "Wow, I-- please
don't make me a onehit wonder."
1159
00:47:16,626 --> 00:47:18,711
Oh, God, you know?
1160
00:47:18,795 --> 00:47:20,922
I mean, I know it's easier
than having a full career
1161
00:47:21,005 --> 00:47:24,259
being a onehit wonder, but I
wanted to have a full career.
1162
00:47:24,342 --> 00:47:27,262
It takes a team to make a star.
1163
00:47:27,804 --> 00:47:30,056
A star just doesn't
happen by accident.
1164
00:47:30,139 --> 00:47:32,267
He never had the team
he should've had,
1165
00:47:32,350 --> 00:47:33,977
even when he signed to me.
1166
00:47:34,060 --> 00:47:36,521
I just don't know
if my management team
1167
00:47:36,604 --> 00:47:38,690
was that involved,
1168
00:47:38,773 --> 00:47:41,609
or had the capability
to move me.
1169
00:47:41,693 --> 00:47:43,611
"Far From Over"
should've been played up
1170
00:47:43,695 --> 00:47:45,280
much bigger than it was.
You know,
1171
00:47:45,363 --> 00:47:49,284
you get a Grammy nomination,
that's, that's incredible.
1172
00:47:49,367 --> 00:47:52,161
They just never did
the PR on Frank Stallone
1173
00:47:52,245 --> 00:47:54,998
that he deserved
and should've had.
1174
00:47:59,085 --> 00:48:01,629
I'm thinking, "Okay,
I'm going to be making records.
1175
00:48:01,713 --> 00:48:03,965
I'm going to be writing
with the greatest song writers.
1176
00:48:04,048 --> 00:48:06,384
I'm going to be doing what I was
born to do." It did not turn out
1177
00:48:06,467 --> 00:48:08,803
that way. Everything was going
good, and then, all of a sudden,
1178
00:48:08,886 --> 00:48:12,724
whoo, I said,
"Oh, no, not again.
1179
00:48:12,807 --> 00:48:14,350
No, no, not again."
1180
00:48:14,434 --> 00:48:16,185
Then like I had
come up a little bit,
1181
00:48:16,936 --> 00:48:19,147
a little good news,
and then kind of even off,
1182
00:48:19,230 --> 00:48:22,191
and then, wham! Goes down.
1183
00:48:22,775 --> 00:48:25,361
And stays down there
for a long time.
1184
00:48:26,154 --> 00:48:27,947
After having a hit,
he'd think, you know,
1185
00:48:28,031 --> 00:48:29,574
"I'll have a few more,"
1186
00:48:29,657 --> 00:48:31,326
and it just didn't go
that way for him.
1187
00:48:31,784 --> 00:48:34,037
If you're doing it expecting
you're going to have
1188
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,956
a worldwide smash hit, or, uh,
or you--
1189
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,209
or that you're even going
to make any money in music,
1190
00:48:40,293 --> 00:48:41,878
you're doing it
for the wrong reason.
1191
00:48:41,961 --> 00:48:44,547
Frank, I'm sure, knew what
he was getting himself into.
1192
00:48:44,631 --> 00:48:46,049
He just loved to play.
1193
00:48:46,966 --> 00:48:49,135
You've have to learn your craft,
and the only way you learn
1194
00:48:49,218 --> 00:48:50,762
your craft
is by making mistakes,
1195
00:48:50,845 --> 00:48:53,681
and you correct those mistakes.
And I had learned it,
1196
00:48:54,265 --> 00:48:56,434
but again, I, I guess
I didn't learn it enough.
1197
00:48:56,517 --> 00:48:59,187
♪ Oh ♪
1198
00:48:59,270 --> 00:49:01,064
♪ Peace in our life ♪
1199
00:49:01,856 --> 00:49:03,941
♪ Remember the call, oh ♪
1200
00:49:04,025 --> 00:49:06,486
'80s and '90s
was a tough time for me.
1201
00:49:07,070 --> 00:49:08,696
Thank God for my song writing.
I was making
1202
00:49:08,780 --> 00:49:10,073
residuals, you know?
1203
00:49:10,156 --> 00:49:13,034
I wrote the theme to Rambo II.
1204
00:49:13,117 --> 00:49:15,411
♪ We'll never fall ♪
1205
00:49:15,495 --> 00:49:18,289
I figured I'd get healthy,
so I went to a detox place,
1206
00:49:18,373 --> 00:49:21,292
not because I drank or did
drugs, just to clear myself out.
1207
00:49:21,376 --> 00:49:23,544
And at lunch time,
I walked past this place,
1208
00:49:23,628 --> 00:49:26,381
and I had my lunch with me,
and I saw a gun store.
1209
00:49:27,048 --> 00:49:29,092
So I went downstairs
to take a look,
1210
00:49:29,175 --> 00:49:30,968
and the gun store owner
looked a little dodgy.
1211
00:49:31,052 --> 00:49:32,470
He kept pulling
guns out of the case,
1212
00:49:32,553 --> 00:49:34,305
showing people
without breaking the gun.
1213
00:49:34,389 --> 00:49:36,391
He pulls out the gun
to show somebody,
1214
00:49:36,474 --> 00:49:38,184
pulls the trigger, boom!
1215
00:49:38,267 --> 00:49:41,938
Right on my fingers, and
the blood came up on my face,
1216
00:49:42,021 --> 00:49:44,399
and I looked down.
I was almost numb.
1217
00:49:44,482 --> 00:49:46,651
This guy had the nerve
to look at me and say,
1218
00:49:47,151 --> 00:49:49,529
"What happened?" I said, "Well,
1219
00:49:49,612 --> 00:49:50,863
I think you shot me."
1220
00:49:51,406 --> 00:49:53,032
I'm a musician.
1221
00:49:53,116 --> 00:49:55,660
A guitar player
needs ten fingers.
1222
00:49:55,743 --> 00:49:58,788
My fingers looked like a handful
of exploded stogies.
1223
00:49:58,871 --> 00:50:00,289
It was horrible. I mean,
1224
00:50:00,373 --> 00:50:01,666
I could've been killed. I mean,
1225
00:50:01,749 --> 00:50:03,292
if my hand wasn't there,
it could've gone
1226
00:50:03,376 --> 00:50:04,836
into my abdomen,
could've shot me
1227
00:50:04,919 --> 00:50:06,212
in the heart.
I mean, it was really--
1228
00:50:06,295 --> 00:50:08,005
literally
two and a half feet away
1229
00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:10,299
with a .357 Magnum Colt Python.
1230
00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:13,594
I've lost my record deal.
1231
00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:16,472
I'm living in like
a crappy apartment.
1232
00:50:16,556 --> 00:50:19,016
I'm going from this high level,
from Staying Alive
1233
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:20,685
to this, and then I get shot.
1234
00:50:22,145 --> 00:50:23,855
You have to have thick skin
1235
00:50:23,938 --> 00:50:25,231
and be bulletproof
1236
00:50:26,065 --> 00:50:28,443
to be in the body
of Frank Stallone. Trust me.
1237
00:50:31,446 --> 00:50:33,948
So then little gigs started
dripping and drabbing,
1238
00:50:34,031 --> 00:50:35,324
but I had started doing movies.
1239
00:50:41,581 --> 00:50:44,208
I had jabbed inside the socket.
- Good luck.
1240
00:50:44,292 --> 00:50:46,127
When I came
to California,
1241
00:50:46,210 --> 00:50:47,628
I started working on Rocky III.
1242
00:50:47,712 --> 00:50:49,464
My acting job consisted
1243
00:50:49,547 --> 00:50:51,215
of being a stand in
for my brother,
1244
00:50:51,299 --> 00:50:52,341
and then I did everything.
1245
00:50:52,425 --> 00:50:53,676
I sang in the movie.
1246
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,762
I'm on screen singing "Pushing,"
1247
00:50:55,845 --> 00:50:57,054
and then I'm on the scene
1248
00:50:57,138 --> 00:50:58,848
where my brother knocks me
out in the ring.
1249
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,685
And then I'm in another scene
where Mr. T knocks me out.
1250
00:51:02,769 --> 00:51:07,398
So like I'm basically
a utility heavy bag that sings.
1251
00:51:07,482 --> 00:51:09,358
Of course, there's a little
bit of an acting thing
1252
00:51:09,442 --> 00:51:10,902
in Staying Alive.
It was Carl, like,
1253
00:51:10,985 --> 00:51:12,153
"What are you Allstate, pal?"
1254
00:51:12,236 --> 00:51:13,196
Is everything all right?
1255
00:51:13,279 --> 00:51:14,363
Everything is fine.
1256
00:51:14,447 --> 00:51:15,615
She's in good hands.
1257
00:51:15,698 --> 00:51:17,074
Hey, what are you Allstate, pal?
1258
00:51:17,158 --> 00:51:18,367
Yeah, you want disability?
1259
00:51:18,451 --> 00:51:20,286
Look, I'll see you
Wednesday, okay?
1260
00:51:20,369 --> 00:51:22,121
All right, good night.
Good night.
1261
00:51:22,205 --> 00:51:23,414
Good night.
1262
00:51:27,627 --> 00:51:30,296
After Staying Alive,
then my manager, Robin, said,
1263
00:51:30,379 --> 00:51:32,340
"Well, you should get into
acting," but I was going
1264
00:51:32,423 --> 00:51:33,758
to acting class. I wasn't bad.
1265
00:51:33,841 --> 00:51:36,636
So the first movie I got
1266
00:51:37,136 --> 00:51:38,429
was called The Pink Chiquitas.
1267
00:51:40,932 --> 00:51:42,099
All right, everybody down!
1268
00:51:42,183 --> 00:51:43,392
Let's go!
1269
00:51:44,143 --> 00:51:45,895
So I'm in the movie,
and all these
1270
00:51:45,978 --> 00:51:48,481
really thespian theatertype
actors are there
1271
00:51:48,564 --> 00:51:50,191
and I'm just like this hack.
1272
00:51:50,274 --> 00:51:53,110
I, Tony Mareda, have to roll.
1273
00:51:53,194 --> 00:51:55,613
So I did some good movies,
but a lot of it was garbage,
1274
00:51:55,696 --> 00:51:57,532
and it was all
like gratuitous sex,
1275
00:51:57,615 --> 00:51:59,408
which I had never really
got into the sex thing.
1276
00:51:59,492 --> 00:52:00,827
"Yo, would you like
to have sex with her?"
1277
00:52:00,910 --> 00:52:02,078
I'd rather shoot her.
1278
00:52:03,788 --> 00:52:05,998
I did movies like
Terror In Beverly Hills,
1279
00:52:06,082 --> 00:52:08,960
and some of these have become
like cultiweird movies.
1280
00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:11,379
I know nothing
about martial arts.
1281
00:52:11,462 --> 00:52:13,089
So these guys are flying
in the air, kicking,
1282
00:52:13,172 --> 00:52:16,259
and then I stand and go...
like I did it.
1283
00:52:18,970 --> 00:52:20,555
You're doing good, Billy.
You keep it up,
1284
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:22,932
you're going to be able
to whip my butt.
1285
00:52:23,015 --> 00:52:24,600
I said,
"I can't be an action star,
1286
00:52:24,684 --> 00:52:26,477
look who my brother is."
I mean, I'd be like
1287
00:52:26,561 --> 00:52:28,938
a really bad version
of an action star.
1288
00:52:29,021 --> 00:52:31,482
I was being hired because
they couldn't afford my brother.
1289
00:52:31,566 --> 00:52:34,443
I was under no allusions
my acting career was like...
1290
00:52:34,527 --> 00:52:36,362
"We can't get Rocky,
let's get his brother
1291
00:52:36,445 --> 00:52:38,322
for 20,000,
instead of 20 million."
1292
00:52:38,406 --> 00:52:40,283
Like I did
a movie with Chris Mitchum.
1293
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:46,664
So Stallone, Mitchum, in almost
microscopic, Frank, Chris.
1294
00:52:47,248 --> 00:52:49,125
So I was definitely
no threat to Sylvester,
1295
00:52:49,208 --> 00:52:51,168
as far as my movie career going.
1296
00:52:51,252 --> 00:52:52,837
I mean,
I don't think I'm a bad actor.
1297
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,172
I think I could've developed
into a better actor.
1298
00:52:55,256 --> 00:52:57,842
Aye, aye, Skipper.
1299
00:52:57,925 --> 00:52:59,427
He's absolutely a natural,
1300
00:52:59,510 --> 00:53:02,513
and never selfconscious
of any kind of
1301
00:53:02,597 --> 00:53:06,767
comparison, considering the
giant shadow his brother casts.
1302
00:53:07,310 --> 00:53:10,521
And he always delivers.
He's always very,
very believable.
1303
00:53:10,605 --> 00:53:12,231
You know, we have a deal.
I said, "Look, pal,
1304
00:53:12,315 --> 00:53:13,774
I won't sing," which...
1305
00:53:14,483 --> 00:53:18,946
...has been well documented,
"And he shouldn't act,"
1306
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:21,073
but actually,
he's a much better actor
1307
00:53:21,157 --> 00:53:22,909
than I am a singer. He can act.
1308
00:53:22,992 --> 00:53:24,285
When he does it, he's good.
1309
00:53:24,368 --> 00:53:26,621
Like in Barfly,
he was fantastic.
1310
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:29,665
Hey, you!
You with the filthy apron!
1311
00:53:30,833 --> 00:53:32,668
Be back in seconds.
1312
00:53:33,502 --> 00:53:34,837
I hear a voice down there,
1313
00:53:34,921 --> 00:53:36,589
but I sure as hell
don't see much.
1314
00:53:39,383 --> 00:53:41,177
Seems like that beating
I gave you last night
1315
00:53:41,260 --> 00:53:42,678
must've rattled your belt, huh?
1316
00:53:42,762 --> 00:53:44,972
I felt Barfly was going to be
1317
00:53:45,056 --> 00:53:48,309
my shot to prove that
I could get deep into stuff
1318
00:53:48,392 --> 00:53:50,227
because I had a lot
of emotions going on
and stuff like that.
1319
00:53:50,311 --> 00:53:51,938
You'd think that son
of a bitch would learn
1320
00:53:52,021 --> 00:53:53,439
by now to stop trying me.
1321
00:53:53,522 --> 00:53:55,107
Whoa,
1322
00:53:55,191 --> 00:53:57,234
you are a genuine man.
1323
00:53:57,318 --> 00:53:58,861
See this balance, the, you know,
1324
00:53:59,528 --> 00:54:02,740
the... tolerance,
the intolerance
1325
00:54:02,823 --> 00:54:04,742
of this character, and,
and, you know,
1326
00:54:04,825 --> 00:54:06,535
the humor was perfectly placed,
1327
00:54:06,619 --> 00:54:08,329
pitched in that, in that role.
1328
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:10,081
It was awesome.
1329
00:54:10,164 --> 00:54:11,540
Your credit's no good here.
1330
00:54:12,208 --> 00:54:13,542
You have to have the green.
1331
00:54:14,043 --> 00:54:15,419
Mickey's not an easy character.
1332
00:54:15,503 --> 00:54:17,505
A brilliant actor.
Faye's not an easy
1333
00:54:17,588 --> 00:54:20,091
character to work with,
but a brilliant actress.
1334
00:54:20,174 --> 00:54:23,010
So Frank had to hold his own...
- This can't be true.
1335
00:54:23,094 --> 00:54:25,429
...and he had to show his
strength at the same time,
1336
00:54:25,513 --> 00:54:28,099
and not be pushed around,
because either one
of those actors
1337
00:54:28,182 --> 00:54:29,976
could just move him
around whenever they want.
1338
00:54:30,059 --> 00:54:35,022
I asked, who's going to pay
for the goddamn drink?
1339
00:54:35,815 --> 00:54:37,608
Acting is all about moments.
1340
00:54:37,692 --> 00:54:39,276
And he had those moments,
1341
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,904
and I think that's
what made a great performance.
1342
00:54:41,988 --> 00:54:45,992
Not acting, but knowing
when to really put on the moment
1343
00:54:46,075 --> 00:54:47,994
in front of a Mickey,
or in front of a Faye,
1344
00:54:48,077 --> 00:54:49,453
or in front of the director.
1345
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,748
The movie didn't do well,
but it got good reviews,
1346
00:54:52,832 --> 00:54:55,543
in Europe especially,
so now it's like a cult classic,
1347
00:54:55,626 --> 00:54:57,086
and you'd think I'd be
working all the time,
1348
00:54:57,169 --> 00:54:58,963
because I get all
these young directors
1349
00:54:59,046 --> 00:55:00,965
coming to me, "Hey, man,
loved you in Barfly."
1350
00:55:01,549 --> 00:55:04,677
I thought something good was
going to come from it,
and it did.
1351
00:55:05,469 --> 00:55:07,972
There's a safe
on the seventh floor,
you take their thingy,
1352
00:55:08,055 --> 00:55:11,267
and you put it in this thingy.
- Directions even
your brother could understand.
1353
00:55:11,350 --> 00:55:14,228
Yeah, directions even
I could understand.
- Shut up.
1354
00:55:14,311 --> 00:55:16,397
And then Hudson Hawk,
that was going to be
1355
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,232
a big movie, man.
It was a disaster.
1356
00:55:18,315 --> 00:55:19,984
People would ask us,
what was-- is it about?
1357
00:55:20,067 --> 00:55:21,652
Is it a comedy? I said,
"Well, if it is
1358
00:55:21,736 --> 00:55:23,487
a comedy...
1359
00:55:23,571 --> 00:55:25,906
...I don't know that yet,
but we'll find out soon."
1360
00:55:26,449 --> 00:55:28,034
Someone told me a lot of
horseshit. You want to open up
1361
00:55:28,117 --> 00:55:30,661
a hardware store, go straight,
and sell spatulas.
1362
00:55:30,745 --> 00:55:32,913
Have you lovely ladies
tried our house wine?
1363
00:55:32,997 --> 00:55:35,291
I think you'll enjoy.
1364
00:55:35,374 --> 00:55:37,293
I thought, of course,
that it was a kind of comedy
1365
00:55:37,376 --> 00:55:39,211
that I had never done before,
1366
00:55:39,295 --> 00:55:41,047
but I had the feeling
it was going to be
1367
00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:42,631
something special and new,
1368
00:55:43,174 --> 00:55:44,884
but as you probably know it,
it wasn't.
1369
00:55:44,967 --> 00:55:46,427
It was a bomb.
The critics hated it.
1370
00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:48,095
It cost about
60 million dollars.
1371
00:55:48,179 --> 00:55:50,056
You don't do
that auction house job,
1372
00:55:50,139 --> 00:55:53,434
I'm going to put you on trial,
and I promise you, my friend,
1373
00:55:53,517 --> 00:55:56,771
there'll be no bailiff,
you understand?
1374
00:55:57,354 --> 00:55:59,482
Why you son of a bitch!
1375
00:55:59,565 --> 00:56:01,400
Hey, Bailey, just settle down!
1376
00:56:01,484 --> 00:56:02,485
Shut up.
1377
00:56:03,986 --> 00:56:05,571
Take your money and get out,
1378
00:56:06,155 --> 00:56:08,282
because I'm tired
of listening to your mouth.
1379
00:56:09,241 --> 00:56:10,659
Why, Ed Bailey.
1380
00:56:10,743 --> 00:56:12,286
And then Tombstone,
1381
00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:13,871
to me, a great Western.
One of the great
1382
00:56:13,954 --> 00:56:15,331
modern Westerns, I think.
1383
00:56:15,414 --> 00:56:16,665
Guns don't scare me,
1384
00:56:17,958 --> 00:56:19,376
because without them guns,
you ain't nothing
1385
00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:21,629
but a skinny lunger.
1386
00:56:21,712 --> 00:56:24,507
People call and say,
"Hey, man, you're Ed Bailey."
1387
00:56:24,590 --> 00:56:26,550
No one comes up and says,
"Hey, man, loved you
1388
00:56:26,634 --> 00:56:28,427
in The Terror of Beverly
Hills." I don't get that.
1389
00:56:28,511 --> 00:56:29,929
"I loved you in Pink Chiquitas."
1390
00:56:30,012 --> 00:56:32,056
I don't get that.
1391
00:56:32,139 --> 00:56:34,725
I was supposed to do
a movie with my brother.
1392
00:56:34,809 --> 00:56:36,727
This agency, they came after,
and he said,
1393
00:56:36,811 --> 00:56:38,854
"Frank, I think we can do
really big things with you."
1394
00:56:38,938 --> 00:56:40,856
I signed with him Friday.
1395
00:56:40,940 --> 00:56:43,359
That Monday,
what comes across their desk?
1396
00:56:43,442 --> 00:56:45,611
It's my brother.
He's the star of the movie,
1397
00:56:45,694 --> 00:56:48,489
and there's a part
in the movie as his brother.
1398
00:56:49,323 --> 00:56:52,368
These guys, sitting here, they
go, "Come on, it's a slam dunk.
1399
00:56:52,451 --> 00:56:54,328
Frank just did Barfly,
Tombstone.
1400
00:56:54,411 --> 00:56:56,288
It's Sly's brother.
it's not a huge role,
1401
00:56:56,372 --> 00:56:58,165
but it's an important role,
it's great."
1402
00:56:58,249 --> 00:57:00,167
They call up the casting agent,
1403
00:57:00,251 --> 00:57:02,670
"We just signed Frank Stallone."
1404
00:57:02,753 --> 00:57:04,880
All of a sudden, there was
like silence on the other end,
1405
00:57:04,964 --> 00:57:08,926
and this is what he hears,
"Mmm, I don't see it."
1406
00:57:11,303 --> 00:57:14,849
I never heard
from the agency again.
1407
00:57:16,475 --> 00:57:18,102
So they figured,
if we can't deliver
1408
00:57:18,185 --> 00:57:20,855
Frank playing
Frank to his brother,
1409
00:57:20,938 --> 00:57:22,523
it's a lost cause.
1410
00:57:22,606 --> 00:57:24,567
"I can't see it."
1411
00:57:27,528 --> 00:57:29,905
♪ Those fingers in my hair ♪
1412
00:57:29,989 --> 00:57:32,116
"I can't seem to get
a record deal no matter what,
1413
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:33,617
so I'm going to do
my own record.
1414
00:57:33,701 --> 00:57:35,035
I'm going to pay for it."
1415
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:37,746
♪ Strips my conscience bare ♪
1416
00:57:37,830 --> 00:57:39,415
♪ It's witchcraft ♪
1417
00:57:39,498 --> 00:57:41,125
So I do the, you know,
big band album
1418
00:57:41,208 --> 00:57:43,335
because I figured no one else
is doing a big band album.
1419
00:57:43,419 --> 00:57:44,879
So who do I find?
1420
00:57:44,962 --> 00:57:47,256
One of the greatest conductors
ever, Sammy Nestico.
1421
00:57:47,339 --> 00:57:49,592
One of the greats, Count Basie.
He's up there
1422
00:57:49,675 --> 00:57:51,760
with Nelson Riddle
and Billy May. He's up there.
1423
00:57:51,844 --> 00:57:55,097
It's easy working with him,
because he's so open.
1424
00:57:55,181 --> 00:57:56,640
"What do you think
about this idea?"
1425
00:57:56,724 --> 00:57:58,726
"Oh, yeah, that sounds good,
Sammy.
1426
00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:00,769
Let's use that." What a joy.
1427
00:58:00,853 --> 00:58:02,813
I didn't get that
with every record,
1428
00:58:02,897 --> 00:58:04,815
but I got it with Frank.
1429
00:58:04,899 --> 00:58:07,568
Tony Bennett wrote
the liner notes for the album.
1430
00:58:07,651 --> 00:58:09,445
And Sammy Nestico,
who'd been nominated
1431
00:58:09,528 --> 00:58:12,072
for a Grammy so many times,
said to me,
1432
00:58:12,156 --> 00:58:14,658
it was one of the best albums
he ever did. So he goes
back to playing
1433
00:58:14,742 --> 00:58:16,869
with Tommy Dorsey,
that's how far back he goes.
1434
00:58:16,952 --> 00:58:18,787
So for him to say that,
it was pretty good.
1435
00:58:19,413 --> 00:58:20,831
Frank doesn't know this,
1436
00:58:20,915 --> 00:58:23,459
but when I was
working for Michael Bublé,
1437
00:58:23,542 --> 00:58:28,505
David Foster has a studio
in his first floor of his home,
1438
00:58:28,589 --> 00:58:30,591
so my wife
and I would go up there
1439
00:58:30,674 --> 00:58:33,177
and talk with Michael
and David Foster,
1440
00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:35,387
and my wife says,
"You know what I saw
1441
00:58:35,471 --> 00:58:37,473
on David Foster's desk?
1442
00:58:39,433 --> 00:58:40,392
I saw this."
1443
00:58:42,895 --> 00:58:46,607
So Frank, believe me,
they were listening to it.
1444
00:58:48,692 --> 00:58:52,488
Again, no management,
no support team, nothing.
1445
00:58:52,571 --> 00:58:54,240
So that's like
the story of my life.
1446
00:58:54,323 --> 00:58:55,991
So it just goes nowhere.
1447
00:58:56,825 --> 00:59:00,371
I never could figure that out,
what could've gone wrong.
1448
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,341
I don't think the public
just took him serious.
Why? I don't know.
1449
00:59:12,424 --> 00:59:14,468
People are going to be
thinking of Sylvester Stallone,
1450
00:59:14,551 --> 00:59:16,178
I think that's the issue.
1451
00:59:16,262 --> 00:59:18,013
You just think of him
as soon as you see
1452
00:59:18,097 --> 00:59:21,267
Frank, and I think that's
what he is up against.
1453
00:59:21,350 --> 00:59:23,602
You know, it's not easy
having the name Stallone.
1454
00:59:23,686 --> 00:59:25,145
Because you live in a shadow,
1455
00:59:25,562 --> 00:59:27,940
and every time you get a great
job, you know, people say,
1456
00:59:28,023 --> 00:59:30,192
"You probably got that
because of your brother."
1457
00:59:30,276 --> 00:59:32,403
He didn't. He got this
because of his talent.
1458
00:59:32,486 --> 00:59:34,488
He would have all that
same talent and all that
1459
00:59:34,571 --> 00:59:36,991
if his name was Joe Schmo, but
it's not, it's Frank Stallone.
1460
00:59:37,074 --> 00:59:38,909
So I think from right
from the beginning...
1461
00:59:39,451 --> 00:59:41,954
it's almost
like being set up.
1462
00:59:42,037 --> 00:59:44,164
It's almost like you...
1463
00:59:44,248 --> 00:59:46,000
...you put yourself almost
in the middle of a target.
1464
00:59:46,083 --> 00:59:48,419
Like, "Okay, here I am.
Take your shot."
1465
00:59:49,295 --> 00:59:52,006
He knew that I was sensitive
1466
00:59:52,089 --> 00:59:54,174
being the sister of somebody
1467
00:59:54,258 --> 00:59:56,677
who is very well known.
We talked a lot about that,
1468
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,055
about how one designs
a professional life
1469
01:00:00,139 --> 01:00:02,057
given your sibling.
1470
01:00:02,141 --> 01:00:04,893
Frank then had to make
some big decisions.
1471
01:00:05,561 --> 01:00:07,104
Should he change his name?
1472
01:00:07,604 --> 01:00:10,441
At one point, I know
he wasn't completely serious,
1473
01:00:10,524 --> 01:00:13,444
but I said, "Frank, why
don't you change your name?"
1474
01:00:13,986 --> 01:00:17,197
He says, "Oh, well, why doesn't
my brother change his name?"
1475
01:00:17,906 --> 01:00:20,159
People may think,
"Oh, yes, Frank Stallone.
1476
01:00:20,242 --> 01:00:21,785
Oh--" he's not a joke.
1477
01:00:21,869 --> 01:00:24,204
Finally, the votes are in,
1478
01:00:24,288 --> 01:00:26,332
and Entertainment Weekly
has chosen
1479
01:00:26,415 --> 01:00:28,292
its funniest man alive,
1480
01:00:28,375 --> 01:00:30,210
and who is
the funniest man alive?
1481
01:00:30,294 --> 01:00:32,379
You guessed it, Frank Stallone.
1482
01:00:34,089 --> 01:00:35,341
Maybe it was a little dark,
1483
01:00:35,424 --> 01:00:36,717
a little bit harder to be him
1484
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,178
at that particular
place and time,
1485
01:00:39,261 --> 01:00:42,181
and he finally came to terms
with it, and he found himself.
1486
01:00:42,264 --> 01:00:44,350
And I think
when he found himself,
1487
01:00:44,433 --> 01:00:45,934
I think it all
just came together.
1488
01:00:47,144 --> 01:00:49,188
I'd doubt if they could
live without each other.
1489
01:00:49,271 --> 01:00:50,773
They have each other's back.
1490
01:00:50,856 --> 01:00:53,067
If either one were in trouble,
1491
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:55,444
the other one would be
there in a minute.
1492
01:00:55,527 --> 01:00:58,906
If there was a plane,
and we were going down,
1493
01:00:58,989 --> 01:01:01,950
and there was one parachute,
guess who's not getting it?
1494
01:01:03,994 --> 01:01:05,829
No one owes me a living, nobody.
1495
01:01:06,288 --> 01:01:08,791
I chose this,
or it chose me when I was a kid,
1496
01:01:08,874 --> 01:01:10,501
and I've loved
every minute of it. Yeah,
1497
01:01:10,584 --> 01:01:12,378
do I get disgusted,
do I get pissed off?
1498
01:01:12,461 --> 01:01:13,962
Do I-- Yes, I do.
1499
01:01:14,046 --> 01:01:15,923
I think I'm better now
than I was then
1500
01:01:16,006 --> 01:01:17,758
all around with the music.
But guess what?
1501
01:01:17,841 --> 01:01:21,303
I cannot get a booking agent,
and you see our shows.
1502
01:01:21,387 --> 01:01:23,472
We sell out.
We get standing ovations.
1503
01:01:23,555 --> 01:01:26,975
It's just good music
and energy from him on stage,
1504
01:01:27,393 --> 01:01:30,145
and the way he talks
to the audience is also cool.
1505
01:01:30,229 --> 01:01:34,483
The crowd just loves him,
and his stories on stage,
1506
01:01:34,566 --> 01:01:38,028
and his ability to sing
all different genres
1507
01:01:38,112 --> 01:01:39,988
of different kinds of music.
1508
01:01:40,072 --> 01:01:41,657
Frank is a very
talented musician.
1509
01:01:41,740 --> 01:01:44,159
I go to a lot
of his performances.
1510
01:01:44,243 --> 01:01:46,036
He works very hard
on his singing.
1511
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,914
He, uh, he has such
a huge variety of voice
1512
01:01:48,997 --> 01:01:51,458
and reach. He can do anything.
1513
01:01:51,542 --> 01:01:53,460
He can play the blues.
He can play rock.
He can play pop.
1514
01:01:53,544 --> 01:01:56,338
He can play R&B.
He did the big band thing.
1515
01:01:56,422 --> 01:01:57,881
He's running
the gammon in his career.
1516
01:01:57,965 --> 01:01:59,258
He's having a good time
for himself.
1517
01:01:59,842 --> 01:02:01,260
It's almost a variety show.
1518
01:02:01,343 --> 01:02:03,554
He's kind of all over the place,
but it seems to fit.
1519
01:02:03,637 --> 01:02:05,931
He knows
how to make it fit that set.
1520
01:02:06,014 --> 01:02:08,308
He's got Frank.
He's got Tony Bennett.
1521
01:02:08,392 --> 01:02:10,644
He's got, you know,
he's got Dean.
1522
01:02:10,727 --> 01:02:13,272
He's got it down,
and he's really good.
1523
01:02:13,355 --> 01:02:16,817
I'm from that era of, uh,
phrasing,
1524
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:19,736
you know, the whole
discussion about phrasing,
1525
01:02:20,696 --> 01:02:24,324
and, uh, he really understands
the, the lyric when he sings it.
1526
01:02:24,992 --> 01:02:26,243
I'm a big fan.
1527
01:02:26,326 --> 01:02:28,328
He's got incredible pipes.
Sinatra
1528
01:02:28,412 --> 01:02:31,331
even sent him
a monologue after a gig.
1529
01:02:31,415 --> 01:02:34,126
I mean, that ain't nothing...
you know? Or--
1530
01:02:34,209 --> 01:02:37,463
Or the Chairman of the Board
gives you, uh, gives you a nod.
1531
01:02:37,546 --> 01:02:40,674
Anybody who ever sees
his name on a marquis,
1532
01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:42,551
whether it be a theater,
or whether it be--
1533
01:02:42,634 --> 01:02:45,471
whatever kind of venue,
and you see Frank Stallone,
1534
01:02:45,554 --> 01:02:46,972
go and see Frank.
1535
01:02:47,055 --> 01:02:49,808
You'll become such a fan.
He's wonderful.
1536
01:02:49,892 --> 01:02:52,478
He can play.
He can play electric too...
1537
01:03:11,663 --> 01:03:13,749
He spent some time actually
1538
01:03:13,832 --> 01:03:16,084
developing himself
as a guitar player.
1539
01:03:16,627 --> 01:03:18,337
A really good rhythm player.
And he'll
1540
01:03:18,420 --> 01:03:19,713
whip out a lead here and there.
1541
01:03:22,049 --> 01:03:24,218
Frank is actually a very good
1542
01:03:24,301 --> 01:03:26,136
and interesting guitar player.
I mean,
1543
01:03:26,220 --> 01:03:29,223
his chord playing
and his rhythm is terrific.
1544
01:03:29,306 --> 01:03:31,308
Um, he plays a lot
of different styles,
1545
01:03:31,391 --> 01:03:33,560
too many styles, in my opinion,
1546
01:03:33,644 --> 01:03:37,189
only because it's hard to
pigeonhole him into one thing.
1547
01:03:37,272 --> 01:03:39,191
He can do a variety of things,
1548
01:03:39,274 --> 01:03:41,527
which is good as an entertainer,
but not good
1549
01:03:41,610 --> 01:03:42,903
as a recording star.
1550
01:03:42,986 --> 01:03:44,321
I wanted to clarify that.
1551
01:03:44,404 --> 01:03:46,657
If you're going
to become a recording star,
1552
01:03:46,740 --> 01:03:48,325
stick to one genre of music.
1553
01:03:48,408 --> 01:03:50,786
♪ And I'm never
going to give you up ♪
1554
01:03:50,869 --> 01:03:53,705
♪ For someone else's love ♪
1555
01:03:53,789 --> 01:03:55,832
You try to be all
things to all people,
1556
01:03:55,916 --> 01:03:57,584
and you become
nothing to nobody.
1557
01:03:58,085 --> 01:03:59,586
We had gone through the country
1558
01:03:59,670 --> 01:04:02,798
playing outdoor festivals
and clubs.
1559
01:04:02,881 --> 01:04:05,092
The fans started to pile up,
1560
01:04:05,175 --> 01:04:06,885
and the gigs started to happen,
1561
01:04:06,969 --> 01:04:10,180
but they were kind of like,
"What is this?" You know?
1562
01:04:10,597 --> 01:04:13,225
And, you know,
it took a little time.
1563
01:04:13,308 --> 01:04:14,351
It was not easy.
1564
01:04:14,935 --> 01:04:17,521
And then we had the opportunity
to open for Don.
1565
01:04:17,604 --> 01:04:20,482
We opened for Don Rickles
maybe 20 times.
1566
01:04:20,566 --> 01:04:21,858
Did you pass away?
1567
01:04:24,027 --> 01:04:25,362
What, am I talking
to a wall here?
1568
01:04:25,445 --> 01:04:26,697
These are nice people.
1569
01:04:26,780 --> 01:04:27,823
Look at the front. I'm working
1570
01:04:27,906 --> 01:04:29,199
a state home for Christ's sake.
1571
01:04:29,283 --> 01:04:30,617
Look at it.
1572
01:04:30,701 --> 01:04:32,202
Don was a real gentleman.
1573
01:04:32,286 --> 01:04:33,203
A lot of fun.
1574
01:04:33,787 --> 01:04:35,330
Frank is very gracious,
1575
01:04:35,414 --> 01:04:36,999
and he went backstage with me
1576
01:04:37,082 --> 01:04:40,877
to thank Mr. Rickles
for the gig, and he said,
1577
01:04:40,961 --> 01:04:42,504
"Don, I just want to thank you."
1578
01:04:42,588 --> 01:04:44,631
In Rickles fashion, he says,
"Shut up, Frank,
1579
01:04:44,715 --> 01:04:46,216
you have the job."
1580
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:52,931
♪ Before you carry on ♪
1581
01:04:53,015 --> 01:04:55,058
♪ Doo do doo do doo do dow ♪
1582
01:04:57,561 --> 01:04:59,062
He constantly amazes me,
1583
01:04:59,146 --> 01:05:00,772
because I don't think
he'll mind me saying,
1584
01:05:00,856 --> 01:05:03,191
he doesn't really
read a lick of music.
1585
01:05:03,275 --> 01:05:05,485
That's one big part
of what I do. It's almost--
1586
01:05:05,569 --> 01:05:08,530
There's a bit of interpretation
for him, if you like.
1587
01:05:08,614 --> 01:05:11,491
He-- but he's so--
He's very innately musical.
1588
01:05:11,575 --> 01:05:13,994
He's not going to weigh down
with the music theory
1589
01:05:14,077 --> 01:05:16,246
side of things.
So he does what he wants.
1590
01:05:16,330 --> 01:05:18,332
Any kind of rehearsal
or sound check,
1591
01:05:18,415 --> 01:05:20,667
you don't want to run into him.
He is grumpy.
1592
01:05:20,751 --> 01:05:22,753
Way back when,
he'd just kind of breeze in,
1593
01:05:22,836 --> 01:05:24,796
and everything
would be taken care of,
1594
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,799
and now he's a schlep, and he's
got the guitar on the back.
1595
01:05:28,383 --> 01:05:31,345
So, yeah, he could be a little
less grumpy before the show.
1596
01:05:31,428 --> 01:05:34,598
But as soon as the lights
come on, the people are in,
1597
01:05:34,681 --> 01:05:36,016
it's business as usual.
1598
01:05:36,642 --> 01:05:38,518
Here we go.
1599
01:05:38,602 --> 01:05:40,062
All right.
- Now
1600
01:05:40,145 --> 01:05:41,813
the fella
you've been waiting for,
1601
01:05:41,897 --> 01:05:44,650
the star of our show,
Frank Stallone.
1602
01:05:44,733 --> 01:05:47,611
Hey!
1603
01:05:47,694 --> 01:05:50,030
He just knows
how to communicate with people.
1604
01:05:50,113 --> 01:05:52,157
He's not always PC. And, uh,
1605
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,451
you know, that's part
of his charm, I suppose.
1606
01:05:54,534 --> 01:05:55,952
He'll speak his opinion,
1607
01:05:56,036 --> 01:05:57,621
whether he's in a room of people
1608
01:05:57,704 --> 01:06:00,082
who completely think
the opposite way.
1609
01:06:00,165 --> 01:06:02,668
He doesn't have any fear
when it comes to that.
1610
01:06:02,751 --> 01:06:04,294
He don't take
no bullshit from nobody,
1611
01:06:04,378 --> 01:06:05,837
and he'll tell you exactly
what's on his mind,
1612
01:06:05,921 --> 01:06:07,297
and that's what
I love about him.
1613
01:06:07,381 --> 01:06:08,423
On the positive side,
1614
01:06:08,507 --> 01:06:09,758
you have to admire someone
1615
01:06:09,841 --> 01:06:11,760
that stands by what they think.
1616
01:06:12,803 --> 01:06:15,681
Frank is a guy who's remained
true to his roots,
1617
01:06:15,764 --> 01:06:18,684
and you couldn't corrupt that
1618
01:06:18,767 --> 01:06:21,186
with all the money or fame,
fortune,
1619
01:06:21,269 --> 01:06:23,271
because that's part
of his metal.
1620
01:06:23,355 --> 01:06:25,732
It might bend here and there,
but it never changes.
1621
01:06:26,358 --> 01:06:27,359
He's a straight shooter.
1622
01:06:27,859 --> 01:06:29,820
Several years ago, I did
1623
01:06:29,903 --> 01:06:31,947
a charity event
called Songs of Love.
1624
01:06:32,030 --> 01:06:34,658
It was a charity
for terminally ill children,
1625
01:06:34,741 --> 01:06:36,451
and I booked a bunch of acts,
1626
01:06:36,535 --> 01:06:38,245
and Frank was
the first person I asked,
1627
01:06:38,328 --> 01:06:39,830
and he said yes immediately.
1628
01:06:39,913 --> 01:06:41,790
And I got choked up
introducing him,
1629
01:06:41,873 --> 01:06:44,710
because I said, "This guy
is such a great guy, a nice guy,
1630
01:06:44,793 --> 01:06:47,796
and the first guy
I asked to come onboard,
1631
01:06:47,879 --> 01:06:50,507
come here for free,
do this for the kids,
1632
01:06:50,590 --> 01:06:52,676
and Frank was there...
like that."
1633
01:06:52,759 --> 01:06:54,720
So that just shows
the type of person he is,
1634
01:06:54,803 --> 01:06:56,555
and I love him to death.
1635
01:06:57,264 --> 01:06:58,640
He may not admit this to you,
1636
01:06:58,724 --> 01:07:00,350
but he has a very gentle,
1637
01:07:00,434 --> 01:07:02,102
in a way,
very precious side to him,
1638
01:07:02,185 --> 01:07:05,147
and he's warm
and sometimes not warm.
1639
01:07:05,230 --> 01:07:09,901
He's dramatic, and sometimes
he's intentionally vulnerable,
1640
01:07:09,985 --> 01:07:12,070
and sometimes he's cynical.
1641
01:07:12,154 --> 01:07:14,072
He's a man of emotions.
1642
01:07:14,156 --> 01:07:15,657
That's what makes him
so great on stage.
1643
01:07:16,241 --> 01:07:18,201
But he's also
extremely eccentric.
1644
01:07:18,285 --> 01:07:20,245
I mean,
this guy's never been married.
1645
01:07:20,328 --> 01:07:21,788
He's consumed with his art,
1646
01:07:21,872 --> 01:07:23,498
and he's consumed
with information,
1647
01:07:23,582 --> 01:07:27,169
and he's consumed with, uh,
a curiosity.
1648
01:07:28,628 --> 01:07:30,881
The question that
a lot of people ask is,
1649
01:07:30,964 --> 01:07:32,716
"Why hasn't Frank
ever been married?"
1650
01:07:32,799 --> 01:07:35,427
An artist has to be
in the state of inspiration.
1651
01:07:36,094 --> 01:07:38,430
Frank stayed in a certain state.
1652
01:07:38,513 --> 01:07:42,225
I don't ever see him really
connecting in a part where
1653
01:07:42,684 --> 01:07:43,977
he'd be away from his music.
1654
01:07:44,811 --> 01:07:46,605
He can be away from acting,
perhaps.
1655
01:07:46,688 --> 01:07:49,149
He could be away from writing.
But his music,
1656
01:07:49,232 --> 01:07:51,610
that's the foundation
of everything.
1657
01:07:51,693 --> 01:07:53,779
He is forever a bachelor.
1658
01:07:53,862 --> 01:07:56,114
He does his thing,
if he's interested.
1659
01:07:56,490 --> 01:08:00,285
When he's not interested,
he does their inventory
1660
01:08:00,702 --> 01:08:03,830
like nothing I've ever
heard in my life,
1661
01:08:03,914 --> 01:08:05,874
and he gets all the nice girls,
1662
01:08:05,957 --> 01:08:07,793
all the beautiful,
beautiful girls.
1663
01:08:07,876 --> 01:08:10,921
And, you know, when he falls
in love, it's under the radar,
1664
01:08:11,004 --> 01:08:14,549
like you find out
in his really peculiar ways
1665
01:08:14,633 --> 01:08:16,760
that he's got like a girl,
and then it's over.
1666
01:08:19,012 --> 01:08:21,097
What will
Frank Stallone's legacy be?
1667
01:08:21,598 --> 01:08:22,974
It's have to be his music.
1668
01:08:23,767 --> 01:08:26,478
At what level he wants to do it,
because he's got another
15 years in him.
1669
01:08:26,561 --> 01:08:29,022
I swear the guy's got...
He's just on a tear now.
1670
01:08:29,105 --> 01:08:31,483
Whether you have success
or you don't have success
1671
01:08:31,566 --> 01:08:34,402
is kind of irrelevant.
If you're getting to do
1672
01:08:34,486 --> 01:08:36,279
what you claim to love to do,
1673
01:08:36,363 --> 01:08:37,864
and you're doing it
at a high level,
1674
01:08:37,948 --> 01:08:39,741
I think you're a lucky guy.
1675
01:08:39,825 --> 01:08:42,786
Down the road, there's still
something there for him
1676
01:08:42,869 --> 01:08:45,539
that's going to lift him out
of the shadow a little bit.
1677
01:08:45,622 --> 01:08:49,543
Maybe a song.
Maybe another album.
1678
01:08:49,626 --> 01:08:52,546
Maybe a part in a movie.
1679
01:08:52,629 --> 01:08:54,422
He might have a future,
because he's got
1680
01:08:54,506 --> 01:08:56,132
a lot of life left in him.
1681
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,885
Frank's a great song writer.
1682
01:08:58,969 --> 01:09:01,638
He's a great singer,
but it's about material.
1683
01:09:01,721 --> 01:09:04,307
It's about writing.
It's about pouring it out.
1684
01:09:04,391 --> 01:09:06,059
What Frank would be great at,
1685
01:09:06,142 --> 01:09:09,062
is if he'd write something
that embarrasses himself.
1686
01:09:09,145 --> 01:09:11,314
I mean,
something that reveals him.
1687
01:09:11,398 --> 01:09:12,941
He's have to rip himself open,
1688
01:09:13,024 --> 01:09:16,403
and, "Oh, geez,
I didn't know that was there,"
1689
01:09:16,486 --> 01:09:18,738
and if he does that,
he'll be great.
1690
01:09:20,031 --> 01:09:23,660
He paid all those dues
that we all pay to this day,
1691
01:09:23,743 --> 01:09:25,579
and he never really
got credit for it.
1692
01:09:25,662 --> 01:09:27,622
There's a magnetism to him
1693
01:09:27,706 --> 01:09:30,292
that I don't know
that's been realized yet,
1694
01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:32,210
but it will be. It will be.
1695
01:09:33,670 --> 01:09:35,714
I'd probably say,
95% of the people
1696
01:09:35,797 --> 01:09:37,549
that I grew up with
that played music,
1697
01:09:37,632 --> 01:09:39,551
"Oh, yeah, we're going
to do this," they all quit.
1698
01:09:40,135 --> 01:09:42,220
They all quit. They all
got jobs. They got married.
1699
01:09:42,304 --> 01:09:44,848
"Ah, well, you know,
I need something more secure."
1700
01:09:44,931 --> 01:09:47,100
And I just flew
by the seat of my pants.
1701
01:09:47,183 --> 01:09:49,561
You had to have
a certain faith in yourself,
1702
01:09:50,228 --> 01:09:51,771
because I didn't know,
I really wasn't
1703
01:09:51,855 --> 01:09:53,064
interested
in doing anything else.
1704
01:09:53,148 --> 01:09:54,983
I took the worst job you could,
1705
01:09:55,066 --> 01:09:58,111
show business. That's the most
insecure job you could ever do.
1706
01:09:58,194 --> 01:10:00,113
God bless you.
1707
01:10:00,780 --> 01:10:02,782
Goodnight. Thank you very much.
1708
01:10:23,386 --> 01:10:26,598
I always wonder,
what has kept me in this game?
1709
01:10:27,140 --> 01:10:29,309
But, you know, I just keep
coming back to it. I love it.
1710
01:10:48,203 --> 01:10:49,663
Pump up the triceps, Frankie.
1711
01:10:50,413 --> 01:10:51,998
You can do it.
1712
01:10:52,457 --> 01:10:53,458
Perfect.
1713
01:10:54,250 --> 01:10:55,710
Very nice.
1714
01:10:56,503 --> 01:10:57,754
Look at this body.
1715
01:10:58,797 --> 01:10:59,881
Unbelievable.
1716
01:11:02,592 --> 01:11:04,636
Now if you teach me how to sing,
1717
01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:06,471
like I teach you
about bodybuilding,
1718
01:11:06,554 --> 01:11:08,807
I would be performing in Vegas.
1719
01:11:08,890 --> 01:11:11,351
That's right.
- This is like a oneway
street here.
1720
01:11:12,394 --> 01:11:14,521
♪ Save me darling ♪
1721
01:11:15,355 --> 01:11:18,775
♪ I am down but I am
far from over ♪
1722
01:11:21,027 --> 01:11:23,196
♪ Give me something ♪
1723
01:11:23,863 --> 01:11:27,409
♪ I need it all
because I am running over ♪
1724
01:11:27,492 --> 01:11:28,952
Is he around?
- He's around.
1725
01:11:29,035 --> 01:11:30,495
Well, get him in here.
I want to just talk
1726
01:11:30,578 --> 01:11:32,914
to him to see if he's
as goofy as I remember.
1727
01:11:32,998 --> 01:11:34,374
Yo, Frank.
- Hey, what's up?
1728
01:11:35,041 --> 01:11:39,254
All right, I was, uh,
inviting you in here, because--
1729
01:11:41,297 --> 01:11:43,341
No one asked you to sit down.
But don't try to assume,
1730
01:11:43,425 --> 01:11:45,969
like my pose. We're like--
- We're trying to do,
1731
01:11:46,052 --> 01:11:48,221
you know--
- We're doing Joe Weeder, like.
1732
01:11:48,304 --> 01:11:50,348
Considering
from where we came from...
1733
01:11:50,432 --> 01:11:52,559
Oh, man.
- ...and the family,
and the disfunction,
1734
01:11:52,642 --> 01:11:54,728
that we're even here
and functioning...
1735
01:11:54,811 --> 01:11:56,646
Yeah.
- ...and that he has like
1736
01:11:56,730 --> 01:11:58,523
really well adjusted children...
1737
01:11:58,606 --> 01:11:59,733
Right.
- ...is amazing.
1738
01:11:59,816 --> 01:12:01,359
I'm not that welladjusted.
1739
01:12:01,443 --> 01:12:03,403
Mmmm.
- But again-- But the thing is,
1740
01:12:03,486 --> 01:12:05,155
it's really amazing
when you think,
1741
01:12:05,238 --> 01:12:06,865
because those boxing gloves...
- You know--
1742
01:12:06,948 --> 01:12:08,908
...have, have made this dynasty.
1743
01:12:08,992 --> 01:12:10,410
We actually should be
like making
1744
01:12:10,493 --> 01:12:12,454
lunch meat
for a living somewhere.
1745
01:12:12,537 --> 01:12:14,456
Just like nothing--
- Well, you did do that
for a while.
1746
01:12:14,539 --> 01:12:16,541
I did actually do--
- He did work at a deli,
actually.
1747
01:12:16,624 --> 01:12:18,376
That's the--
- And I got thrown out
of that too.
1748
01:12:18,460 --> 01:12:19,753
Got thrown out of that.
- That's right.
1749
01:12:19,836 --> 01:12:21,129
Keeping my thumb on the scale
1750
01:12:21,212 --> 01:12:22,172
a little too much.
1751
01:12:22,255 --> 01:12:23,840
But anyway, nice knowing you.
1752
01:12:23,923 --> 01:12:25,258
Nice knowing you.
- Yeah, take care.
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