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- Hello, Miss Deborah.
- Hi!
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Good to see you!
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Hi Joshua!
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- You knew we were coming, didn't you?
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- My name is Deborah Peagler,
and I was convicted of
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first degree murder,
sentenced to 25 years to life.
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- We have bad news and we have good news.
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Nadia Costa and I began
representing Deborah Peagler
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shortly after California
became the first state in the
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nation to adopt a law,
specifically designed to
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help incarcerated survivors of
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domestic violence win their freedom.
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It's a huge problem, a
national problem, probably an
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international problem and this
law is just the first step.
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Debbie was connected to the
murder of the man that abused
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her, but the evidence of that abuse was
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never presented to the court.
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And if she had been charged
appropriately she would have
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served a maximum of six years in prison.
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Instead by the time we
took her case, she had
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already been in for 20
years and been denied
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release by the parole board twice.
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- This isn't a case where
Debbie Peagler didn't have
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anything to do with the crime,
but when you look at all the
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facts and circumstances
surrounding what occurred,
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any reasonable court, any
reasonable parole board
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and any reasonable person,
would conclude that she has
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served enough time and she
should be released from prison.
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♪ Jesus can work it out ♪
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♪ If you let him ♪
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♪ Jesus can work it out ♪
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♪ That habit that I had I had ♪
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♪ I just couldn't seem to break. ♪
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♪ To break ♪
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♪ I prayed and I prayed I prayed ♪
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♪ Lord don't let it be too late. ♪
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♪ Too late ♪
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♪ Then I turned it over to Jesus ♪
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♪ Jesus ♪
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♪ And I stopped worryin' about it ♪
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♪ About it ♪
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♪ I stopped worryin' about it ♪
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♪ About it ♪
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♪ I stopped worryin' about it ♪
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♪ About it ♪
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♪ I gave it over to the
Lord and He worked it out ♪
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♪ Yeah ♪
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Debbie Peagler was fifteen when
she first met Oliver Wilson.
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In fact, her mother
introduced her to Oliver.
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And y'know at first he came across as
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very charismatic and quite charming.
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- My mother met Oliver at an
ABC market where she used to
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do her grocery shopping.
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I guess they interacted there.
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And she began to really like him.
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- He seemed to know that, the way to
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my heart is through my children.
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And that's how he won me
over, by being good to
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Debbie at the very beginning,
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and accepting my granddaughter
like she was his child.
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- The day I came home from school,
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and he was there playing with my daughter.
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And I thought, "He's kinda cute!"
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- My brother was one of the
most charismatic people ever
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to walk this earth, but
Oliver was the type of
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person, if you said "Tell me
something about yourself,"
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'bout an hour and a half
later you would say to him,
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"Hold that thought, I'll be
right back," because he would
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still be talking about himself.
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He used to model clothes
because he was tall and slender.
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And I don't think he ever knew when
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he was not on the walkway.
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- As we spent time around
each other and talked to each
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other, he was easy to talk
to, and I saw that he really
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took to my daughter, that
was a big thing with me.
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- He used to buy me a lot
of things, designer clothes,
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toys, anything a little
kid could wish for, I had.
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- His mother would cook big, big meals.
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And I would go over and
help her prepare the meals
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and interact with her and I began to
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adopt his family as mine, because
mine was so dysfunctional.
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If she was being abused or
battered, it was a secret.
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Because at that point in time,
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I was being abused, and it was a secret.
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I was molested as a child,
by my father and my uncle.
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What if that wasn't the
example of manhood that he had?
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What if he didn't think that
was acceptable behavior?
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- We'd go out to eat, or
he'd take me to the mall,
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shopping, and just buy
me anything I wanted.
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Money was like never an object,
never a problem with him.
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It never dawned on me that
he is not making this money
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from working at ABC Market,
but I was young and kinda naive
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and didn't know anything about it.
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Until.
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Until one night.
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He said I wanna take you
somewhere, somewhere special.
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I was like "Okay."
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I'm thinking it's gonna be
a really nice restaurant, or
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another concert, because he's
taken me to a concert before.
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- He was always tryin' to be like me.
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I tried pimping.
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And I found out that I
wasn't made out for pimping.
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Because, pimping, you can pimp your momma,
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you can pimp your sister,
you can pimp your daughter,
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you can't have no
sympathy towards anybody.
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- On the way there he was
telling me that he had came
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into some financial problems
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and he was about to lose his
car, and he was having some
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money problems and he
needed me to help him.
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And I was like, "Okay, sure, no problem."
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And that was like the
end of that conversation.
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Who knew, I'm thinking, "Okay, he's gonna
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"take me to a job interview
and get me a normal job,"
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and I can help him like that.
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But no, he took me to that
place on Prairie and Century,
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I'll never forget.
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Because there was a donut
shop on that corner.
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And he introduced me to the
two women, and then he left.
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And then they told me where to
go, what room to take men to,
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how long to be in there, what
to let the man do and what
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not to let him do and how
much to charge him, and all
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this stuff and I am like freaking out.
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"What do you mean?
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"I am not going to have sex with that man,
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"I don't know that man."
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And they said, "Baby, yes you are.
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"Yes you are.
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"You're gonna make your man some money."
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And then he's getting
undressed and I'm like on the
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bed cryin' like, "I cannot do this.
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"I don't wanna do this,
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"I don't wanna do this,
I don't wanna do this,
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"and I can't do this and no."
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And the man's like
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"Don't you know what is going to
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"happen if you don't do this?"
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"Nothing's gonna happen."
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"No your pimp is going to beat you.
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"He's gonna do this."
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and he's describing all
this horrendous stuff.
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And I'm like "No, Oliver
would never do that to me.
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"No."
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Little did I know, yes he would.
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And yes he did, because I
didn't go through with it.
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And when he came back
to get me he was like,
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"How much money did you make?"
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And I was like, "None."
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"What do you mean none?"
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I said, "I'm not gonna do that.
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"I don't wanna do that.
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"No, no."
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"Okay," like nothing was wrong.
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And we went to his mother's house.
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Next thing I knew, he hauled off
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and slapped the crap outta me.
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I just balled up on a floor in a ball.
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I'll never forget he was
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just kicking me and
kicking me and kicking me.
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And I was like, "Okay, okay,
I promise, I promise, I'll do
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"it, I promise, I'll do
it next time, I promise, I
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"promise, just don't, please
please don't hit me no more,
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"please don't hit me no more.
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"Please just stop hitting
me, stop hitting me."
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- Oliver continued to
abuse and force Debbie
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to prostitute herself throughout her
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sophomore, junior and
senior years of high school.
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- And it's amazing that
throughout all that I still
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maintained my good grades,
I still was an honor roll
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still was an honor roll
student, still loved school.
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- She was acting different,
you know she wasn't laughing or
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being the same Debbie that
we'd always known her to be.
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Whenever he came around, or
she even heard his voice,
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she just totally changed.
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- Not only was his abuse
significant and severe, but
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he constrained every other
aspect of her life, he
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controlled who she saw,
who she spoke with,
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she couldn't have friends.
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- It had got to the point
where he had stopped hitting me
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with his fists, he would make
me lay on the floor or the
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couch or whatever, beat
me with a bullwhip.
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And so I'd have whips all on my body.
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He would never, never hit me on my face.
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He didn't want to mess up the
face because I had to be his
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perfect hostess for his
friends, but I could easily
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where long sleeves or whatever
to cover up the bruises.
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- Debbie tried to escape
Oliver on numerous occasions,
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but he kept bringing her back
by force or by death threats.
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And eventually Debbie ended up
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having a daughter with Oliver.
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And he eased up on the abuse
when he saw that she was
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pregnant with his kid, and
there was sort of a honeymoon
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period that followed, and
part of that was he purchased
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life insurance, to tell
Debbie "If anything happens
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"to me, you will still be
able to raise my daughter."
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But that was short lived.
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And Oliver began dealing drugs in
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a big way and began using the
drugs and Oliver became more
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abusive than ever before.
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- I know how my child
felt, cause I lived in it.
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So until you've experienced
it you don't know,
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until you've walked in
my shoes, you don't know.
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Until you've walked in
her shoes, you don't know.
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Until you've gone through
the abuse and the humiliation
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that they made us feel,
you don't know how we feel.
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And my heart hurts for my
child because I love her.
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And I didn't want her to go through
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the things I went through with.
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And I know how she felt.
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- So after Oliver's drug abuse
really took off in a big way,
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Debbie and Oliver got an eviction notice.
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- That was my way out.
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And I convinced him, for him to go
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to his mother's house and
for me to go to my mother's
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house, until we could get
back on our feet and, be okay.
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And then I was, at that point I'm like,
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"I am so outta here, I
am so not going back."
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Because the violence was, it
was horrendous at that time.
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- Debbie had finally left
Oliver and moved her and the
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children into her mother's home.
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- Oliver shows up with a
couple of friends, they're all
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heavily armed with shotguns and pistols.
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- We were all in the house and
you hear the adults screaming
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for all the kids to "Get
down, get in the closets, lay
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"on the floor, don't get up
until we come and get you."
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You know and finding out,
y'know, that it was him and
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two of his friends outside
of our house with guns
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y'know, threatening to kill
whoever was in the house.
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- And the only reason that
didn't happen is cause
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someone called the Sheriff's.
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- The police did arrest Oliver
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and he spent the night
in jail, but right after
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that he was released
and out on the streets.
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So she knew that the police
were not going to help
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her, were not going to
protect her family, and that
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Oliver was furious because
the police had been called.
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- Most people of color do
not trust law enforcement.
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Having her perpetrator
arrested, having the perpetrator
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released the next day, this
was common for many women.
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- It seemed as though the
police looked at it like,
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"It's another black woman
getting her ass whupped, by
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"her boyfriend, so be it."
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It was almost like it was a
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waste of their time,
I guess you could say.
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- Even though I left him,
and I was gone, there was no
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escaping him, there was
no getting away from him.
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- I called the law with
him and he has a gun,
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and they still let him out!
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So what was she to think, how was she to
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live, but fear for her life?
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- Debbie's mother suggested to
Debbie she let Ramone Sibley
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and Little Timmy Lively
make Oliver leave her alone.
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- Sibley and Lively were Crips
gang members that controlled
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the area where Debbie's mom
lived, it was their turf.
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And when Oliver showed up with a group of
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armed guys, threatening
to kill everyone in their
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neighborhood, that was the last straw.
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That wasn't gonna happen on their watch.
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- And my mother was like
"Why don't you just let, let
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"Ramone, Timmy and Ramone,
you guys can take care of him.
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"Why don't you just take care
of him, why don't you make
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"him leave her alone,
I know you guys could."
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- Remain seated at all times.
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- The extreme I used to see him go to,
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grabbing her, choking her, socking her.
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He used to beat on her like she was a guy.
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You know?
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So two or three times I had to beat on
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him like he was a guy.
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You know, and just to, one,
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to try to protect her, and
two, just to show dude that,
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this is what you're doing to her.
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He thought he was above
ghetto law, street law.
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That these things you don't do.
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And I guess, you know, he thought since
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the Constitution say you
can do what you want in the
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United States he figured
he could do whatever the
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fuck he wanted and there
was no consequences.
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- But I didn't want nobody
to kill him, but I wanted
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somebody to beat the hell out of him.
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And I thought maybe if he got
his behind whipped he'd go on
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about his business and
leave my child alone.
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- And I was like, "You guys
can make him leave me alone?
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"Can you make him leave me alone?"
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And it was like "Yeah, let us handle it,
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"we'll take care of it.
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"We'll take care of it."
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"Okay."
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- So this is the Sheriff's Office Report.
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Oliver Wilson was listed
as John Doe number 191.
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There was dried blood around
and coming from the victim's
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nose, mouth, and right ear.
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They were from the point of view of where
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the camera's shooting from
now, and they scaled this
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fence and they came down,
and they crawled down here,
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and they attacked Oliver.
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And the moment that happened, Debbie left.
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And Sibley and Lively
continued to strangle Oliver.
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There was some discrepancies
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from their statements to
the police of who did what.
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I don't know, obviously,
and no one will know
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exactly what happened, but what we do know
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at that time that Debbie was not here.
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She had left, although
she did bring Oliver
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here and we know that and
she has expressed remorse
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about that, and has paid
her dues for that act.
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- And even though I hated
him and I was mad at him,
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I still didn't want him dead.
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I just wanted him to leave me alone.
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And that's all I keep
saying, 20 years later.
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If only he woulda just left me alone.
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- After Oliver Wilson was
killed, Debbie did receive
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about $17,000 in life insurance proceeds,
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most of which went to
Oliver's mother and to pay
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for a very elaborate funeral for Oliver.
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And the Los Angeles County
District Attorney's office
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took this evidence of life
insurance as proof that this
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was a conspiracy and
that Debbie had Oliver
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killed for financial gain.
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So Debbie was swept up into
this prosecution and she was
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prosecuted by a group known
as Operation Hard Core, which
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was this hard core gang task
force because there were
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Crips gang members involved.
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This group had a hundred
percent conviction rate
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Debbie was charged with
first-degree murder by the
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District Attorney's Office,
and they sought the death
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penalty against her.
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- They basically came
to Debbie and said that
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"Unless you plead guilty, we will pursue
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"and get the death penalty against you."
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And they said the same to Ramone Sibley.
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But for Lively, he was
a minor at the time.
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- Lively was sort of offered
a deal, that if he testified
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against Debbie and against
Ramone, he would be given a
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short sentence, if the case
ever went to trial, which of
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course it didn't go to trial,
and Lively in fact went in
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and out very quickly and
went on to kill other people.
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But Debbie and Ramone
Sibley took a plea deal
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to save their lives ended
up going to prison for life.
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- And now I sit in prison,
wondering was there a better way?
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Was there a different way?
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Like today I know there is,
there's shelters, and people
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out there available now.
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Where were those people back then?
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- In 1983 when Debbie Peagler
went to prison, the battered
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women's movement was still in its infancy.
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There were just starting to
be battered women's shelters.
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It was the very beginning of
having restraining orders.
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- Over time with committed
activists, they started
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bringing victims out of
the shadows to share their
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stories, and police became
educated, and the general
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public became educated about this issue.
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- After being
sentenced and going to prison.
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Five years pass, 10 years
passed, people started
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talking about the
Battered Women's Syndrome.
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They even started a
domestic violence program at
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the prison and group therapy.
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- They're always talking about the victim
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that died in our case
but we're a victim too.
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- He used to beat me in
front of his friends.
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Beat me until I was black
and blue, and this was
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the only way I could
ever get away from him.
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- And it took me being
in prison almost, 15,
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17 years before I even realized
that I was a battered woman.
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And it's so funny that somebody
else had to tell me I was.
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- When Debbie Peagler was
sent to prison, the number of
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incarcerated women nationwide
was less than 20,000
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In the years since, that
number has just plain
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skyrocketed, so that today
there has been a more than
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sixfold increase in the
number of women in prison,
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in less than 30 years.
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Many of these women,
especially those who are
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serving life sentences like
Debbie, are incarcerated for
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a crime that is directly
related to that abuse.
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- We need to put ourselves in the position
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of that individual, under
those circumstances,
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faced with the choices they had.
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- After decades of advocacy,
battered women in prison and
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their supporters on the
outside were finally
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successful in getting this
habeas law passed in California.
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It's the first law in
the nation that allows
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domestic violence survivors
to present their evidence,
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have their stories be heard,
and finally have a real
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chance at winning their freedom.
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- I think it's astounding
that California is
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the only state that is
actually allowing cases
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to be reopened, because
there are thousands
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and thousands of Debbies
across the United States.
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- Even in California, the state
is not providing these women
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with attorneys, and so the
Habeas Project formed to
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connect women with attorneys who
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could take on these cases for free.
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That's how we found Nadia
and Joshua for Debbie
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and they have been amazing.
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- Y'know, we're
volunteer attorneys
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in Debbie's case, and
besides that, I'm a Dad.
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I'm an Orthodox Jew.
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And I'm an attorney.
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That's my order of preference.
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Although, in reality I'm probably an
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attorney first and everything else second.
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- I'm a mom, of a little
boy named Cole, and I was
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pregnant with him when I
would go to prison to see
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Debbie or to see other
witnesses like Ramone.
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But being a mom is the
best thing I'll ever do.
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Before I was a lawyer I
was a social worker for
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children's protective
services and basically worked
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with families dealing with
the kind of violence that
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Debbie and her girls suffered.
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I'm also a runner.
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I'm not fast but I like to go far.
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Usually with distances
longer than a marathon, what
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they call ultra-runs or ultra-marathons.
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- Y'know, I've never run
a marathon, I don't really
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believe in running unless
there's like a group of
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people chasing me.
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But this case is starting to feel like
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a marathon, and it's all uphill.
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But you know, Debbie keeps us going.
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You know, in Judaism we have
this prayer, matir ha asurim,
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to free those who are bound.
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It's one of our core
principals that if someone is
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wrongfully imprisoned, we
have an obligation to fight
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to free them, to liberate them.
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- When I met Nadia, and we
began discussing the violence
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I'd been subjected to, and I
remember telling her some of
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the details of the beatings,
and I remember thinking,
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"She's looking at me
like I'm a human being,
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"like she understands.
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"She isn't, looking at me in judgment."
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And then on one of her visits,
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Nadia brought another
attorney with her, Joshua.
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And she introduced us.
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I looked at him and I
was thinking to myself,
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"Okay, he's Jewish.
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This shall be interesting."
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Being that I'm a Christian.
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But then we sat down and started talking.
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At first I was apprehensive,
not because of anything else
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besides the fact that he was a male.
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And to talk about the things
that Oliver did to me,
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in front of a man was difficult.
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But then I watched him
and he made eye contact
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with me, and his eyes
told me that, "It's okay."
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- Whenever I talk to Debbie,
or I'm getting into Debbie's
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mind about why she reacted
the way she did to Oliver,
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and the way that she would
become around him, it's so
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familiar, it's so personal to me.
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And that's obviously
because of my mother's
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experience and my experience.
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When I was about nine, she met
a refugee who was on the run.
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My Mom fell for him,
and I remember they got
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into an argument and they were arguing,
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and I was upstairs in my little room.
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And I could just feel
the anger and intensity
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in the room increasing
below me until suddenly,
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there were bottles being smashed
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and he was just beating
the hell out of my Mom.
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And I remember being this kid
and wanting so desperately
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to go down and help my
Mom, and at the same
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time being so afraid that
I was gonna be killed.
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And then feeling guilty that my fear
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for my own safety was
trumping helping my mother.
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And just feeling the shame
and of course total panic and
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fear that my mother was gonna be killed.
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I feel in a certain sense, in
those moments that she and my
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mother kind of metaphorically connect.
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Debbie's experience is in some way is an
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extension of what could
have or would have happened,
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had my mother and I not escaped.
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- Like Joshua I also have
experience with abuse.
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Unlike Joshua, I have not
wanted to speak about this
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publicly and I still don't
want to share details with it
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because of, it being a very
private experience for me.
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However, it's been
important for me to summon
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the courage to discuss what
I can as part of this film
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in order to let people know
that abuse doesn't just
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happen in South Central
LA to young black women.
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It happens everywhere.
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It happened to me as a child
and also as a young adult,
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all the time while I was
living in affluent communities,
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and it was never stopped.
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It's one of the reasons that
I became involved in Debbie's
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case and why we work
for her freedom today.
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- They don't have to do it.
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They're not getting a dime.
486
00:24:48,347 --> 00:24:49,620
And they don't know me.
487
00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:50,650
I was a stranger.
488
00:24:50,650 --> 00:24:52,820
And they're spending so much of their
489
00:24:52,820 --> 00:24:56,860
time and money and efforts
to get me out of here.
490
00:25:09,570 --> 00:25:14,220
- Okay, so this is Debbie free.
491
00:25:14,220 --> 00:25:16,370
Where she wants to be,
where we want her to be.
492
00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:19,210
And when she gets out of prison
she wants to hear the sound
493
00:25:19,210 --> 00:25:22,570
of the Pacific Ocean and
that's where we want her to be.
494
00:25:22,570 --> 00:25:24,680
Sadly, she's still here.
495
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:25,513
She's in prison.
496
00:25:26,770 --> 00:25:28,810
You go to the parole board and you say,
497
00:25:28,810 --> 00:25:31,300
"Hey, I may have done some bad things,
498
00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:32,990
"but I've been a great
prisoner since I've been on the
499
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:36,530
"inside, I'm rehabilitated,
I'm ready to rejoin society."
500
00:25:36,530 --> 00:25:39,500
Parole board typically
says, "No you're not."
501
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:42,170
And the D.A.'s Office, the
prosecutors who put you in
502
00:25:42,170 --> 00:25:44,460
in the first place,
usually chime in and says
503
00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:46,430
"No, they're not, send 'em back."
504
00:25:46,430 --> 00:25:49,390
But even if the parole board
finds you suitable, it then
505
00:25:49,390 --> 00:25:52,240
goes to the governor, and the
governor nine times outta ten
506
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,590
says "No, send her back to prison."
507
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:57,700
The other route which is
also remote is to go back to
508
00:25:57,700 --> 00:26:00,600
court, the court that sent
Debbie to prison in the first
509
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,530
place and say we want to
file a habeas petition,
510
00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:07,340
a petition for writ of
habeas corpus which says,
511
00:26:07,340 --> 00:26:09,400
something about the way Debbie
was put in prison in the
512
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,980
first place wasn't right
and she should be released.
513
00:26:12,980 --> 00:26:15,880
So we would file this habeas
petition to the court.
514
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,380
Nine time out of ten the
court just sends it back and
515
00:26:18,380 --> 00:26:20,680
says, "Nope, you're not getting out."
516
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,030
The D.A. usually chimes in and
says "Nope, send 'em back."
517
00:26:24,030 --> 00:26:27,060
So, it's a pretty bleak process
to be able to, to get out.
518
00:26:27,060 --> 00:26:28,510
It's pretty impossible
519
00:26:28,510 --> 00:26:31,160
Now, fortunately for Debbie,
and for untold number of
520
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,290
women like her, there's
a new law that says,
521
00:26:33,290 --> 00:26:35,570
"Hey, if you can provide evidence of
522
00:26:35,570 --> 00:26:38,470
"abuse, of battering, and you
can show that that evidence
523
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:40,580
"of battering is related to
the reason you were put in
524
00:26:40,580 --> 00:26:43,190
"prison in the first place,
you should be able to present
525
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:45,780
"that to the court, and the
court, for the first time,
526
00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:47,180
"should take you seriously."
527
00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:49,600
The other thing that the new
law says is, if you present
528
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,280
that evidence to the parole
board, the parole board has
529
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,030
to consider that evidence,
side by side with what
530
00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:57,270
they're supposed to be
looking at, which is
531
00:26:57,270 --> 00:26:59,290
has Debbie been a model inmate?
532
00:26:59,290 --> 00:27:01,150
And I'm hopeful that through
what we've been able to
533
00:27:01,150 --> 00:27:03,970
document, that we should
be able to show that she is
534
00:27:03,970 --> 00:27:06,330
suitable for release and
that's certainly going to
535
00:27:06,330 --> 00:27:08,630
be bolstered by the
footage that you obtained.
536
00:27:10,830 --> 00:27:15,670
- So, here we go, a six person
film crew, four cameras,
537
00:27:15,670 --> 00:27:17,400
eight lights, all of this has been
538
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,850
approved to come into the prison.
539
00:27:19,850 --> 00:27:22,660
There's a reason why you
don't hear about stories
540
00:27:22,660 --> 00:27:25,220
like Debbie's, the
Department of Corrections
541
00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:28,420
in this state and in many
states does not allow the
542
00:27:28,420 --> 00:27:32,570
media to film the stories
of specific inmates.
543
00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:35,730
Fortunately, Joshua and
Nadia have decided that it's
544
00:27:35,730 --> 00:27:39,200
in Debbie's legal interest for
her story to be documented,
545
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,591
and so I've been brought in
as her legal videographer.
546
00:27:42,591 --> 00:27:45,030
But that's not what's happening today.
547
00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:47,670
Today, we're making a separate documentary
548
00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:50,340
about inmates who rehabilitate themselves
549
00:27:50,340 --> 00:27:53,330
through various programs at
the prison, so there's a arts
550
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:57,190
and crafts program, there's a
firefighter training program,
551
00:27:57,190 --> 00:28:00,450
we've even filmed the first
ever behind bars bat-mitzvah.
552
00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:05,330
If it happens that Debbie
Peagler is involved in some
553
00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:07,940
of the activities we film, so be it.
554
00:28:09,102 --> 00:28:12,341
♪ Some say he is the great
one the prophets spoke of ♪
555
00:28:12,341 --> 00:28:16,423
♪ Some even say that he's the
man who was the son of God ♪
556
00:28:16,423 --> 00:28:21,423
♪ He the stranger, stranger,
stranger from Galilee ♪
557
00:28:25,543 --> 00:28:28,420
♪ Hey the man from Galilee ♪
558
00:28:28,420 --> 00:28:32,630
- As she's there, since she's
been there, she's taking a
559
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:36,220
negative situation and made
it into a positive situation.
560
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:42,180
- She works in an electronics
manufacturing company, she's
561
00:28:42,180 --> 00:28:44,970
one of the highest paid
employees in the prison system.
562
00:28:44,970 --> 00:28:47,630
- I'm in charge of everything
that they build here,
563
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:50,566
including the PC boards,
those kits, all the harnesses,
564
00:28:50,566 --> 00:28:53,190
transformers, everything that
they build in here, it's my
565
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:55,890
job to identify those parts,
make sure they're accurate,
566
00:28:55,890 --> 00:28:58,495
they're correct, and that
it ships out on its date.
567
00:28:58,495 --> 00:29:03,096
- I met Deborah in prison,
I was a heroin addict, in my
568
00:29:03,096 --> 00:29:07,660
addiction, really in
it, that's all I knew.
569
00:29:07,660 --> 00:29:11,940
And she used to talk to me
and talk to me and talk to me.
570
00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:14,020
She seen something in me, she told me I
571
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:15,520
would overcome that addiction.
572
00:29:17,446 --> 00:29:19,130
- Dear heavenly father we just
come together on this morning
573
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:21,800
thanking you first of all, waking us up.
574
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,180
Clothing our right mind, Lord.
575
00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:25,240
Father God, we thank you that we have the
576
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,647
activities of our limbs,
Father God, that we can use
577
00:29:27,647 --> 00:29:28,676
our hands and our feet.
578
00:29:28,676 --> 00:29:31,619
And we just continue to give
you the honor, the glory!
579
00:29:31,619 --> 00:29:33,060
And the praise!
580
00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:36,480
- Today, I'm a drug and alcohol
counselor, and I'm about to
581
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,550
get my bachelor's degree,
and I owe that to Deborah.
582
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:43,510
- She's been a church leader
for 15 years, she's taken
583
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:46,480
sign language and actually
interprets for the deaf
584
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,020
inmates at the church services.
585
00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:53,480
- Receiving her Associate's
Degree, Deborah Peagler.
586
00:30:00,190 --> 00:30:04,533
- I'm very proud of myself,
my tenacity, my resilience.
587
00:30:04,533 --> 00:30:09,260
I try to be everyday an example, a mentor.
588
00:30:09,260 --> 00:30:11,200
I am a tutor of a few of
the ladies that are getting
589
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,480
ready to take their GEDs,
and have taken their GEDs.
590
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,590
So it's one of the things I really enjoy
591
00:30:16,590 --> 00:30:18,060
is helping someone else learn.
592
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:23,420
- She has a lot of wisdom, not
from God only, but I told her
593
00:30:23,420 --> 00:30:25,970
"I wanna to go to school,
I can't read and write."
594
00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:27,780
And she's very intelligent,
595
00:30:27,780 --> 00:30:31,370
she is a very smart
person, Deborah Peagler is.
596
00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:34,490
- I was able to help her
learn to read and write.
597
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,150
Eventually even acquire her GED.
598
00:30:38,150 --> 00:30:41,490
- She told me to go to school,
and they'll take care of me.
599
00:30:41,490 --> 00:30:44,930
She told me that God
has a plan for my life.
600
00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:46,380
- One more time, "Anointing."
601
00:30:47,288 --> 00:30:50,943
- Another thing Debbie has going
for her at least in theory,
602
00:30:50,943 --> 00:30:52,570
for the parole board, are the
603
00:30:52,570 --> 00:30:55,120
sentiments of Oliver Wilson's family.
604
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,160
- I don't believe I'm
supposed to identify with her,
605
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,060
somewhere in me, I'm not
supposed to accept what has
606
00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:05,890
been done and I'm caught in the catch-22
607
00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:09,200
because maybe I shouldn't
even be able to identify with
608
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,500
it, maybe I shouldn't be able
to understand it, but I do.
609
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,820
And that's a terrible thing
I think, for me to say.
610
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,050
If it were not my brother, if it was
611
00:31:24,050 --> 00:31:26,970
some man that didn't have a
face, that didn't really have
612
00:31:26,970 --> 00:31:30,896
a name, but I knew that he was
doing these terrible things,
613
00:31:30,896 --> 00:31:35,896
then I would say, put me at
the head of the fan club.
614
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,580
I'd fight for you.
615
00:31:40,580 --> 00:31:42,490
I'd do what I could do to get you out.
616
00:31:45,380 --> 00:31:47,890
- Debbie has been up for parole.
617
00:31:47,890 --> 00:31:52,890
That hearing is very biased
in favor of the prosecution.
618
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:55,310
- I went before parole board,
619
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:59,403
and here I sat, as Oliver's sister.
620
00:31:59,403 --> 00:32:02,659
And in my mind, the closest one to him,
621
00:32:02,659 --> 00:32:06,529
by way of age and growing up together.
622
00:32:06,529 --> 00:32:09,870
I poured my heart out to these people.
623
00:32:09,870 --> 00:32:13,000
And after pouring my heart
out, they still said no,
624
00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:16,550
and refused to let Debbie go.
625
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,681
- It seems to me they should
have taken the family's
626
00:32:21,681 --> 00:32:25,340
opinion into consideration.
627
00:32:25,340 --> 00:32:26,670
Enough is enough.
628
00:32:26,670 --> 00:32:28,850
She's served a life.
629
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:32,120
She doesn't have to suffer
anymore, as far as I'm concerned.
630
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,700
- She has been denied
three separate times.
631
00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:39,018
- I've met parole board
battered women's investigators,
632
00:32:39,018 --> 00:32:41,650
and why they can't find
out the things that we
633
00:32:41,650 --> 00:32:43,610
find out so easily is a mystery to me.
634
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,020
They have all the powers to go
do that and yet they seem to
635
00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:51,680
not see some of the obvious things.
636
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,350
It feels like they're
trying to find reasons to
637
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:56,946
deny it rather than
trying to find reasons to
638
00:32:56,946 --> 00:33:00,115
support information that
may be readily available.
639
00:33:00,115 --> 00:33:03,920
- So until the parole board
acknowledges that she was a
640
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,110
battered woman, she was abused,
she's never gonna get out.
641
00:33:08,986 --> 00:33:12,890
- She winds up leaving
that parole hearing just in
642
00:33:12,890 --> 00:33:14,940
disbelief, and not knowing where to turn.
643
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,700
- If life happens to deliver
a situation to you that you
644
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:21,860
cannot handle, do not
attempt to resolve it.
645
00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:26,048
Kindly put it in the something
for God to do box, amen.
646
00:33:26,048 --> 00:33:30,893
- Initially, it was always,
you know "I hope my Mom is
647
00:33:30,893 --> 00:33:35,893
"doing okay, and I wish she
could come home and be with me."
648
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:42,300
And then, you know, as I
got older, it was like well,
649
00:33:43,630 --> 00:33:46,875
"Thank you Jesus that I have
her to talk to on the phone."
650
00:33:46,875 --> 00:33:51,170
At least she's there for me
in some other way, y'know.
651
00:33:52,190 --> 00:33:54,550
- Despite being behind
bars, Debbie has really done
652
00:33:54,550 --> 00:33:57,140
everything in her power to be
a good mother to both of her
653
00:33:57,140 --> 00:34:00,260
daughters, her oldest daughter
Tikisha, who's currently
654
00:34:00,260 --> 00:34:03,000
serving in the Air Force
in the Iraq War, and her
655
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,850
younger daughter Natasha,
whose father was Oliver Wilson.
656
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,860
- My relationship with my
Mom is very, very, very good.
657
00:34:11,999 --> 00:34:13,340
I think that due to the circumstances,
658
00:34:13,340 --> 00:34:14,923
it's the best that it can be.
659
00:34:14,923 --> 00:34:17,215
- Lord prepare.
660
00:34:17,215 --> 00:34:21,548
♪ Lord prepare me to be a sanctuary ♪
661
00:34:25,596 --> 00:34:27,416
- Pure and holy.
662
00:34:27,416 --> 00:34:29,567
♪ Pure and holy ♪
663
00:34:29,567 --> 00:34:30,533
- Tried and true.
664
00:34:30,533 --> 00:34:33,950
♪ Tried and true ♪
665
00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:35,444
- With thanksgiving.
666
00:34:35,444 --> 00:34:38,686
♪ With thanksgiving ♪
667
00:34:38,686 --> 00:34:39,910
- I'll be a living.
668
00:34:39,910 --> 00:34:42,765
♪ I'll be a living. ♪
669
00:34:42,765 --> 00:34:44,006
- Sanctuary.
670
00:34:44,006 --> 00:34:47,006
♪ Sanctuary for you ♪
671
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,140
- It's hard, because I try to have such
672
00:34:59,140 --> 00:35:00,690
a strong relationship with her.
673
00:35:01,803 --> 00:35:03,400
But you can't.
674
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,270
If I had to compare my
Mom's and my Dad's loss,
675
00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:12,310
to figure out which one
is harder, it's my Mom.
676
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:15,130
Because it's a everyday
pain you're dealing with.
677
00:35:15,130 --> 00:35:16,210
It's a everyday thing.
678
00:35:16,210 --> 00:35:17,730
It's constant.
679
00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:20,920
It's not something that, "He died.
680
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,410
"Let's grieve, and move on."
681
00:35:23,410 --> 00:35:25,670
It's a grieving process that never ends.
682
00:35:29,403 --> 00:35:32,163
♪ Seek me, and ye shall find ♪
683
00:35:32,163 --> 00:35:35,493
♪ They gonna give you a hard time ♪
684
00:35:35,493 --> 00:35:38,554
♪ Been waiting my whole life ♪
685
00:35:38,554 --> 00:35:42,471
♪ For someone to make it right ♪
686
00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:47,510
- Debbie's case has been
almost a full time job
687
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:49,530
in addition to our regular legal practice.
688
00:35:49,530 --> 00:35:51,420
This is a private law office,
689
00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:52,770
this is not what we normally do.
690
00:35:52,770 --> 00:35:56,280
We do land use and
real-estate, development law,
691
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,904
you know, if you come to
me I can get you zoned
692
00:35:58,904 --> 00:36:00,707
to be an airport if that's what you want.
693
00:36:00,707 --> 00:36:04,160
But I don't represent inmates,
people charged with crimes,
694
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,590
criminals, this is a whole
new experience for us.
695
00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:10,100
- Joshua and I were almost paralyzed
696
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:11,780
at the beginning of this case.
697
00:36:11,780 --> 00:36:14,460
How do you go about
finding hospital records,
698
00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:17,680
police records, witnesses
from 25 years ago?
699
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,200
But then I realized that Debbie
is in fact the key to this
700
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,060
case, because as soon as
you meet Debbie you want to
701
00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:27,410
help her and you want to
be involved in getting
702
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:30,360
her out of prison, and
that's how we got Bobby.
703
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,320
- It's Bobby
Buechler, Debbie Peagler's
704
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,420
investigator, and we spoke a few days ago.
705
00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:37,010
I'm in LA.
706
00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:38,870
We're all really different people
707
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:41,730
Nadia she's this long distance runner,
708
00:36:41,730 --> 00:36:44,056
Joshua's this Orthodox Jew,
709
00:36:44,056 --> 00:36:48,570
and I'm the old man of
the group I would say.
710
00:36:49,533 --> 00:36:53,627
I've been an investigator
for approximately 25 years.
711
00:36:53,627 --> 00:36:58,380
Also I've worked as a
journalist for New York Times,
712
00:36:58,380 --> 00:37:01,910
Vanity Fair, CBS Evening News, 60 Minutes,
713
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:03,960
but primarily I'm a private investigator.
714
00:37:04,820 --> 00:37:06,580
- Before we hired Bobby
we had a couple of other
715
00:37:06,580 --> 00:37:10,320
investigators on the case who
were unable to find anything.
716
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,952
We got Bobby, within 24
hours, documents started
717
00:37:12,952 --> 00:37:16,190
flowing in, and from those
documents we began to get a
718
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:20,080
sense of the real deficiencies
in the D.A.'s case.
719
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,910
- You know, we had heard from
Debbie for a long time that
720
00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:26,180
Tikisha may have been molested by Oliver.
721
00:37:26,180 --> 00:37:29,740
But we were shocked when we
learned that there was actual
722
00:37:29,740 --> 00:37:33,460
evidence of this in the police
report that had been ignored.
723
00:37:46,030 --> 00:37:49,770
For so long this killing had
been framed as simply about
724
00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:51,720
life insurance proceeds and to learn
725
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:55,270
that the police knew also that he may have
726
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:59,240
molested her was obviously
very disturbing to us.
727
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,090
- We knew that we had to talk to Tikisha
728
00:38:02,090 --> 00:38:05,470
about the alleged abuse, so
when was rotated back to the
729
00:38:05,470 --> 00:38:09,490
United States between tours
of duty, we went to see her.
730
00:38:09,490 --> 00:38:12,880
- I sat with Tikisha and
asked her the very difficult
731
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,880
question of whether she recalled
Oliver ever molesting her.
732
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,620
And she just looked off into the distance
733
00:38:21,620 --> 00:38:24,700
and tears welled up in her
eyes, and then she shared
734
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:28,493
with me very vivid
recollections of what Oliver
735
00:38:28,493 --> 00:38:33,300
had done in terms of abuse
to her as a young child.
736
00:38:35,620 --> 00:38:38,450
- The hearing transcript from
Deborah's preliminary hearing
737
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:43,450
in 1983 shows that the prosecution
had only had one witness.
738
00:38:43,590 --> 00:38:46,180
- The judge characterized
this witness' testimony
739
00:38:46,180 --> 00:38:50,030
as "pretty poor" and
"extremely ambiguous."
740
00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:52,270
- What was fishy about
this guy who called in
741
00:38:52,270 --> 00:38:55,350
Oliver Wilson's murder to the police was
742
00:38:55,350 --> 00:38:58,802
that he was initially only
identified as "Deadman,"
743
00:38:58,802 --> 00:39:00,770
which is a pretty weird name.
744
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:04,370
We subsequently found out
this was a nickname because
745
00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:07,450
used to drive dead bodies
for the county coroner.
746
00:39:07,450 --> 00:39:09,040
- He was a drug customer of Oliver's,
747
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,230
he was a friend of Oliver's.
748
00:39:11,230 --> 00:39:14,270
- But he waited many months to contact the
749
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:16,700
police to tell them
what he claimed he knew
750
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:18,470
about the murder of Oliver Wilson.
751
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:22,140
So when Bobby tracked him
down he was in and out of
752
00:39:22,140 --> 00:39:23,800
the hospital with a
life threatening illness
753
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,680
and we thought, y'know,
what better time to confront
754
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,740
him and say, "What's the truth?"
755
00:39:38,580 --> 00:39:39,640
- I have cancer now.
756
00:39:40,490 --> 00:39:42,650
I don't know how much time I have left.
757
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:44,850
So I just want the truth to be known.
758
00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:46,360
Debbie deserves to be free,
759
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,090
she deserves the truth to be known
760
00:39:49,810 --> 00:39:52,650
I never volunteered that
she was being beat up.
761
00:39:52,650 --> 00:39:55,300
Y'know, where he had whupping
her with that bullwhip.
762
00:39:56,189 --> 00:39:58,125
Y'know, didn't let her answer the door,
763
00:39:58,125 --> 00:40:00,110
wouldn't open the door for nobody.
764
00:40:01,110 --> 00:40:05,100
Y'know, so it was rough for her, so.
765
00:40:06,180 --> 00:40:09,876
And I know, if that was
rough for her in there,
766
00:40:09,876 --> 00:40:14,820
for 20-some years, her whole
life is destroyed, man.
767
00:40:20,540 --> 00:40:23,030
- The other thing that we
began to get from Tony was an
768
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:26,080
explanation as to why he
waited so long to contact the
769
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,756
police, and apparently, for
all the years that Debbie
770
00:40:29,756 --> 00:40:33,726
and Oliver were together,
Tony had been deeply
771
00:40:33,726 --> 00:40:36,140
and secretly in love with Debbie.
772
00:40:37,810 --> 00:40:40,450
- Deborah was a beautiful, beautiful girl.
773
00:40:40,450 --> 00:40:41,920
I really loved her.
774
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,650
I fell for her like Kennedy
fell for Marilyn Monroe.
775
00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:53,600
- I didn't think he
even liked me like that.
776
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,480
Because I knew he had a wife,
he had a wife and children.
777
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,500
- Tony was trying to court
Debbie, he wanted to be with
778
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:02,290
her, but now that she was free of Oliver,
779
00:41:02,290 --> 00:41:04,140
Debbie went back to Tikisha's father.
780
00:41:05,110 --> 00:41:09,100
- I got jealous, and I told everything.
781
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:12,451
Ripped my heart apart, so
I'd rip her heart apart.
782
00:41:12,451 --> 00:41:14,710
I called Sheriff's.
783
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:16,147
Homicide.
784
00:41:16,147 --> 00:41:20,510
I told 'em every thing that I knew,
785
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:24,720
and I mighta added something to it.
786
00:41:26,820 --> 00:41:28,976
I tell you, whatever I told them,
787
00:41:28,976 --> 00:41:33,500
it worked because they
had her within two days.
788
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:41,470
- As bad as it was, what Tony
did, what was even worse was
789
00:41:41,470 --> 00:41:43,850
for the D.A. to know that he was lying,
790
00:41:43,850 --> 00:41:45,570
and to put him on the stand anyway.
791
00:41:45,570 --> 00:41:47,460
- When he heard that
they were gonna prosecute
792
00:41:47,460 --> 00:41:50,380
Debbie for the death
penalty, he tried to back
793
00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:52,870
out but the D.A. wouldn't let him.
794
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:56,150
In fact, he was arrested,
and he was told that
795
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:58,990
unless he testified
against Debbie Peagler,
796
00:41:58,990 --> 00:42:01,660
they would vigorously
prosecute him for an old
797
00:42:01,660 --> 00:42:04,170
felony charge that had
basically been dormant.
798
00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:10,415
- They kept pushing, wanted me
to say, that Deborah told me,
799
00:42:10,415 --> 00:42:13,300
after Oliver was killed,
that she had pre-planned
800
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:17,066
for him to be killed, that it was a murder
801
00:42:17,066 --> 00:42:20,310
for hire, and, no it wasn't.
802
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:26,270
The regret is mostly that
I didn't think about her
803
00:42:27,790 --> 00:42:32,790
being beat up or held hostage, being a ho.
804
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:38,010
I didn't look at all that, for
what she was going through.
805
00:42:38,850 --> 00:42:43,850
But I did it and I have to live with it.
806
00:42:53,780 --> 00:42:58,780
- I believe a tremendous
injustice has occurred.
807
00:42:59,070 --> 00:43:01,710
- David Guthman is a recently
retired prosecutor from the
808
00:43:01,710 --> 00:43:04,650
L.A. D.A.'s Office, and while
he didn't have anything to do
809
00:43:04,650 --> 00:43:08,200
with Debbie's prosecution, he
has significant experience in
810
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,890
prosecuting death penalty
cases in that office.
811
00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:12,810
So we gathered our materials up showed
812
00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:14,630
them to him and we asked him.
813
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:18,927
- Was Deborah's level of
culpability truly reflected
814
00:43:18,927 --> 00:43:22,220
with a conviction of 1st degree murder?
815
00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:23,920
Absolutely not.
816
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,050
- In evaluating Debbie's case,
David Guthman went to speak
817
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:29,910
to the prosecutor at the
LA D.A.'s office who is in
818
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:33,510
charge of the parole unit that
has custody of Debbie's file.
819
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:36,580
He said "Come down and I'll
let you look at the file."
820
00:43:36,580 --> 00:43:39,770
When I actually met with
the prosecutor, he said,
821
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:41,960
"I can't let you look at the file, but
822
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,680
"I can tell you what's in the file."
823
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,990
In the file there a
memo, which typically is
824
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:52,320
referred to as, an alibi memo.
825
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,980
- An alibi memo is actually the
prosecutor's own alibi as to
826
00:43:55,980 --> 00:43:58,617
why they are not pursuing
death penalty where they had
827
00:43:58,617 --> 00:44:01,170
attempted to get the death
penalty, and where they'd
828
00:44:01,170 --> 00:44:02,900
gotten approval for the death penalty
829
00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:05,600
from higher ups in the D.A.'s office.
830
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,270
So it was shocking to us to discover
831
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:10,202
that there was this alibi
memo saying that the D.A.
832
00:44:10,202 --> 00:44:13,635
couldn't and shouldn't seek
the death penalty because the
833
00:44:13,635 --> 00:44:16,650
D.A. did seek the death penalty.
834
00:44:16,650 --> 00:44:17,950
They threatened Debbie with the death
835
00:44:17,950 --> 00:44:20,650
penalty, and it was because
of the death penalty threat
836
00:44:20,650 --> 00:44:24,447
that she took a plea to life in prison.
837
00:44:24,447 --> 00:44:28,320
- I'm sitting there hopefully
with a poker face realizing
838
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,575
that that memo was dynamite.
839
00:44:30,575 --> 00:44:34,940
And when I left that meeting
I immediately called Deborah's
840
00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:38,640
attorneys and told them what
was contained in that memo.
841
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,280
- So according to David
Guthman, this memo says, way
842
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,860
back in 1983, the D.A.'s
office had concluded that
843
00:44:44,860 --> 00:44:47,190
Oliver Wilson had molested
Debbie's daughter, which is
844
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:49,550
something we'd suspected
but have never been able to
845
00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:53,310
prove, the D.A.'s office
concluded that Debbie's
846
00:44:53,310 --> 00:44:56,250
motivation wasn't financial
gain, which was their whole
847
00:44:56,250 --> 00:45:00,680
basis for prosecution back
then, and the memo concludes
848
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,730
that they had "veracity
concerns" with the witness or
849
00:45:03,730 --> 00:45:06,840
witnesses required to prosecute Debbie.
850
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,210
So back in 1983, they didn't even have a
851
00:45:09,210 --> 00:45:11,260
case against her, they had no evidence.
852
00:45:11,260 --> 00:45:14,450
So going into this big
meeting with Steve Cooley
853
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:16,890
and his top brass today,
where we have all this
854
00:45:16,890 --> 00:45:18,610
documentation that Debbie was battered,
855
00:45:18,610 --> 00:45:20,300
I'm feeling really confident that this
856
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:23,220
is gonna move them to do the right thing.
857
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:25,920
- Getting the prosecutors to
agree that Debbie should be
858
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,880
released did not happen overnight.
859
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,597
It took more than three years to get them,
860
00:45:30,597 --> 00:45:34,342
to see the light and it was
at time that we were able to
861
00:45:34,342 --> 00:45:38,410
walk into that prison and
give Debbie that letter.
862
00:45:46,536 --> 00:45:48,393
- Hello, Ms. Deborah.
- Hi!
863
00:45:48,393 --> 00:45:51,056
Good to see you!
864
00:45:51,056 --> 00:45:52,590
Hi Joshua!
865
00:45:52,590 --> 00:45:54,453
- You knew we were coming, didn't you?
866
00:45:54,453 --> 00:45:55,286
- Yeah.
867
00:45:55,286 --> 00:45:57,270
- We have bad news and we have good news.
868
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:59,390
The bad news is that you have
869
00:45:59,390 --> 00:46:01,670
apparently been incarcerated illegally.
870
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:05,980
The good news is, the D.A. has agreed that
871
00:46:05,980 --> 00:46:09,760
your crime was voluntary
manslaughter, which means
872
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,860
your maximum sentence would
have been six years, under
873
00:46:12,860 --> 00:46:15,670
the guideline, the penal
code section which was in
874
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:16,800
effect at the time.
875
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,310
We're gonna work with you
to explain what it means.
876
00:46:18,310 --> 00:46:19,630
- My God.
877
00:46:19,630 --> 00:46:21,150
- What the next
steps are, and help you.
878
00:46:21,150 --> 00:46:23,330
- So this is from the
LA District Attorney's Office.
879
00:46:23,330 --> 00:46:26,540
"You presented significant
issues which were unknown or
880
00:46:26,540 --> 00:46:28,506
"unavailable at the time of trial.
881
00:46:28,506 --> 00:46:30,530
"Once the matter has been returned to the
882
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:33,500
"jurisdiction of the Los
Angeles Superior Court, this
883
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:35,890
"office would be willing to
offer a plea to one count of
884
00:46:35,890 --> 00:46:38,550
"voluntary manslaughter,
in violation of penal code
885
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:41,750
"section 1-92-A, with
credit for the years of
886
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:43,560
"imprisonment served thus far.
887
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,495
"Such disposition satisfies
our office policy of
888
00:46:46,495 --> 00:46:49,819
"requiring a plea to the
charge which most accurately
889
00:46:49,819 --> 00:46:52,760
"describes the defendant's
criminal conduct.
890
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,550
"In context, it also serves
the interests of justice."
891
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:56,480
- My God!
892
00:47:00,895 --> 00:47:02,740
This is really happening.
893
00:47:03,575 --> 00:47:05,540
It's like, you knew it could happen,
894
00:47:05,540 --> 00:47:07,599
but it's really happening.
895
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:11,130
- I remember reading it,
y'know, tears coming in my
896
00:47:11,130 --> 00:47:16,130
eyes, it was just this
overwhelming sense of
897
00:47:16,386 --> 00:47:19,530
relief, that we are finally
898
00:47:19,530 --> 00:47:23,970
helping Debbie unlock
that, unlock that gate.
899
00:47:23,970 --> 00:47:24,820
- My goodness!
900
00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:30,630
I still cannot, I am so
ecstatically happy, but I'm
901
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:32,360
so trying to contain it,
902
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,210
cause I so just wanna scream
and run around the building.
903
00:47:36,450 --> 00:47:38,840
- When she told me that,
y'know I was like, y'know,
904
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,630
"Finally God, you answered my prayers"
905
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:44,140
Y'know, this is what I really,
really needed in my life.
906
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:46,960
And I know that's,
y'know, that's what she's
907
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,980
been praying for and
hoping for all these years.
908
00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:51,510
So it was just a sigh of relief.
909
00:47:52,709 --> 00:47:55,510
- It was just almost too
much to take in at one time,
910
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:57,180
because it was just so unbelievable
911
00:47:57,180 --> 00:47:59,300
that my sister is finally coming home.
912
00:48:00,410 --> 00:48:05,200
- I had absolute faith that
that letter meant the D.A.
913
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,860
would do the right thing, and that
914
00:48:06,860 --> 00:48:11,550
we would see our client
released very shortly.
915
00:48:11,550 --> 00:48:13,350
I had no doubt that it would happen.
916
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,590
- We filed our habeas
petition based on that deal,
917
00:48:17,590 --> 00:48:19,767
and a few weeks after
filing our habeas petition,
918
00:48:19,767 --> 00:48:22,530
we received a letter
from someone else in the
919
00:48:22,530 --> 00:48:24,550
District Attorney's office
who we never met before,
920
00:48:24,550 --> 00:48:27,170
saying "The deal is hereby withdrawn."
921
00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:36,710
- God, this just, it's so
disheartening to have this letter,
922
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:38,980
and then someone else
come along, and says,
923
00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:40,580
"That letter means nothing."
924
00:48:42,450 --> 00:48:43,770
And someone that really doesn't have the
925
00:48:43,770 --> 00:48:46,190
authority or the power to say that.
926
00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:48,340
I don't get how that happened.
927
00:48:48,340 --> 00:48:50,410
- Our case has seriously
called into question
928
00:48:50,410 --> 00:48:53,160
the judgment of District
Attorney Steve Cooley.
929
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,920
He broke a written plea agreement with us
930
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,310
in order to instead align
himself with prosecutors
931
00:48:59,310 --> 00:49:02,446
who have a well-established
record of misconduct.
932
00:49:02,446 --> 00:49:04,080
- And while we don't know exactly what
933
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,190
happened in the LA
District Attorney's office,
934
00:49:06,190 --> 00:49:08,410
we do have several indicators.
935
00:49:08,410 --> 00:49:12,150
- One is, the D.A.'s office
asked us to have Debbie waive
936
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:14,860
all her claims against LA
County because they knew of all
937
00:49:14,860 --> 00:49:18,160
the misconduct the D.A.'s
Office had been involved in.
938
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,830
We declined to do that.
939
00:49:19,830 --> 00:49:23,610
- And there's a woman named
Lael Rubin who is the head of
940
00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:26,350
the Appellate Division, and
she apparently became quite
941
00:49:26,350 --> 00:49:29,830
upset when we supposedly went
quote "over her head" and
942
00:49:29,830 --> 00:49:32,440
directly went to Steve Cooley
instead, because she thought
943
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,460
it should go through her department.
944
00:49:34,460 --> 00:49:38,410
- Lael Rubin is best know for
her embarrassing witch hunt
945
00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:40,170
of a trial called the McMartin Preschool
946
00:49:40,170 --> 00:49:43,170
prosecution in which Rubin
relied on all kinds of false
947
00:49:43,170 --> 00:49:46,060
evidence and false testimony,
and turned out to be one of
948
00:49:46,060 --> 00:49:48,720
the largest failed
prosecutions in history.
949
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:50,950
- All right, look, just because we are
950
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:52,620
having some trouble
with some evidence that
951
00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:55,250
doesn't make these
people suddenly innocent.
952
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:58,470
- Lael Rubin's participation
in that case led HBO to make a
953
00:49:58,470 --> 00:50:00,860
made-for-TV movie called "Indictment."
954
00:50:00,860 --> 00:50:02,520
The Lael Rubin character is played by
955
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,890
Mercedes Reuhl and she
is clearly the villain.
956
00:50:05,890 --> 00:50:08,200
- There is a smoking gun out there.
957
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,630
I know it, we just gotta find it!
958
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:13,160
- Meanwhile, the letter that
we received from the D.A.'s
959
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,490
office purporting to withdraw
the plea agreement that we
960
00:50:16,490 --> 00:50:19,330
had with the District
Attorney's office was sent by
961
00:50:19,330 --> 00:50:22,030
a man named Curtis Hazel, the
number three guy in the LA
962
00:50:22,030 --> 00:50:24,850
County District Attorney's
office, who is purported to be
963
00:50:24,850 --> 00:50:28,070
an old fraternity buddy of
District Attorney Steve Cooley.
964
00:50:28,070 --> 00:50:30,660
And his claim to fame
was that he slept with a
965
00:50:30,660 --> 00:50:34,110
murder witness, who was a
stripper, and the D.A.'s
966
00:50:34,110 --> 00:50:36,680
office kept Hazell's affair secret.
967
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,260
The fact that Cooley has
hand selected this group of
968
00:50:39,260 --> 00:50:41,755
misfits is so dispiriting.
969
00:50:41,755 --> 00:50:45,320
But we are going to fight it,
we don't care how powerful
970
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:46,420
they are in the D.A.'s office.
971
00:50:46,420 --> 00:50:48,740
We are not going to let
them rip up our plea deal
972
00:50:48,740 --> 00:50:50,440
and keep Debbie in prison forever.
973
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:54,980
- When we heard this news,
and we began researching the
974
00:50:54,980 --> 00:50:58,070
issue, I never felt that
kind of pervasive sense of
975
00:50:58,070 --> 00:51:00,200
hopelessness as I had before.
976
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,360
Not only are we right, and so
we can feel confident in the
977
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,905
fact that "You guys know you
did something wrong here,"
978
00:51:05,905 --> 00:51:10,905
we have a case law that supports
our position and I feel,
979
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:13,760
it's not kind of this, often
times, y'know how lawyers are.
980
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,370
They don't have any kind
of legal position at all,
981
00:51:15,370 --> 00:51:17,080
but they think if they argue effectively
982
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,640
enough they can get around that.
983
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:19,910
That's often what we do.
984
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:21,070
- That's often what we do.
985
00:51:21,070 --> 00:51:23,190
- But here we actually have case law that
986
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:25,620
says this is not acceptable.
987
00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:28,114
Obviously, y'know, we never
know what's gonna happen,
988
00:51:28,114 --> 00:51:30,480
but what we will tell
you is that we're here,
989
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,580
and we can work through
the process with you,
990
00:51:32,580 --> 00:51:35,150
and we have confidence in our
abilities, and the fact that
991
00:51:35,150 --> 00:51:38,035
this is the just result
it'll ultimately come
992
00:51:38,035 --> 00:51:40,560
to the fact that you will
walk out of this prison.
993
00:51:50,831 --> 00:51:53,830
I walk through the front door
past our receptionist and she
994
00:51:53,830 --> 00:51:56,540
stopped me and said, "I've
been holding this for you."
995
00:51:59,150 --> 00:52:01,630
- The judge denied our habeas petition.
996
00:52:01,630 --> 00:52:04,220
The judge never heard from D.A.'s office,
997
00:52:04,220 --> 00:52:07,990
and the judge didn't even
really appear to understand the
998
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:11,820
new law that we filed it
under or even read our papers.
999
00:52:11,820 --> 00:52:16,602
- When I found out that the
D.A. reneged on his offer and
1000
00:52:16,602 --> 00:52:18,910
that my sister would not be coming home,
1001
00:52:20,926 --> 00:52:24,300
to be honest with you
I got physically ill.
1002
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:27,840
Because how can you get
someone's hopes up so high,
1003
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,740
after serving 20-plus
years in jail, and then to
1004
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:34,791
say, "Okay, well no, we changed our mind."
1005
00:52:34,791 --> 00:52:38,550
It was one of the biggest
let downs of my life.
1006
00:52:40,110 --> 00:52:41,970
- But then, that's like
the story of my life.
1007
00:52:41,970 --> 00:52:45,310
I go to board, I come back,
I go tell people I got denied
1008
00:52:45,310 --> 00:52:47,984
and they're like hysterical
and I have to comfort them.
1009
00:52:47,984 --> 00:52:49,981
I never really get a chance to
1010
00:52:49,981 --> 00:52:54,981
"Okay, wait hey, this should
be the other way around."
1011
00:52:56,225 --> 00:53:00,060
I am not a robot, I'm a
human being with feelings
1012
00:53:00,060 --> 00:53:02,610
and just because I don't
wear my problems on my sleeve
1013
00:53:02,610 --> 00:53:04,380
or tell everybody about everything I feel
1014
00:53:04,380 --> 00:53:07,650
and go through doesn't mean it's not real.
1015
00:53:07,650 --> 00:53:08,590
That I don't feel.
1016
00:53:08,590 --> 00:53:10,060
I don't hurt.
1017
00:53:10,060 --> 00:53:11,190
Leave me alone!
1018
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:13,030
Just let me be disappointed.
1019
00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:14,703
And I'm gonna be all right
1020
00:53:14,703 --> 00:53:16,740
I'll bounce back, don't I always?
1021
00:53:18,860 --> 00:53:22,788
- At most, Deborah should
have been in, at most, for six
1022
00:53:22,788 --> 00:53:27,585
years, which was the maximum
for manslaughter in 1983.
1023
00:53:27,585 --> 00:53:32,585
Having been in for 24, 25
years, most of her time,
1024
00:53:34,305 --> 00:53:38,080
she's been illegally incarcerated.
1025
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,630
If anyone's breaking the law,
the biggest lawbreaker has
1026
00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:46,630
been the D.A., the court
system, the prison system.
1027
00:53:46,854 --> 00:53:51,800
It's really a crime after
crime, that she's been
1028
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:56,800
subjected to the bigger crime
here, the bigger injustice in
1029
00:53:56,850 --> 00:54:01,470
this case is that to the
extent that she was culpable
1030
00:54:01,470 --> 00:54:05,912
for anything at all, she
served her time, decades ago,
1031
00:54:05,912 --> 00:54:10,912
and yet she's still in there,
and it's just not right.
1032
00:54:12,970 --> 00:54:14,980
- All of this, the hundreds
of thousands of dollars,
1033
00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:16,810
the three years of time,
this will all be for
1034
00:54:16,810 --> 00:54:18,750
naught if we give up now.
1035
00:54:18,750 --> 00:54:19,651
- Yup.
- That's it.
1036
00:54:19,651 --> 00:54:20,484
- Y'know?
1037
00:54:20,484 --> 00:54:23,902
I mean there is no other
option at this point.
1038
00:54:23,902 --> 00:54:26,800
- I mean, the one thing I wanna say is,
1039
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,720
we lost at the trial court,
we get two more shots,
1040
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:32,110
they get more and more remote.
1041
00:54:32,110 --> 00:54:34,890
We get one at the court of
appeals, original jurisdiction,
1042
00:54:34,890 --> 00:54:36,520
boom, we lose there, we get one more
1043
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,360
at the Supreme Court, boom, we lose there.
1044
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,200
We possibly have some federal claim,
1045
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,350
but forget it, there's no chance.
1046
00:54:42,350 --> 00:54:44,860
So, we only have two shots.
1047
00:54:44,860 --> 00:54:46,770
Because we're fighters,
I think we have to fight,
1048
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:48,925
I mean, assuming the D.A.
tells us to screw ourselves,
1049
00:54:48,925 --> 00:54:51,622
there's nothing that says we
can't go ahead and file some
1050
00:54:51,622 --> 00:54:55,383
suit against Los Angeles
Superior Court, seeking specific
1051
00:54:55,383 --> 00:54:59,050
performance to force them
to do their plea deal.
1052
00:54:59,050 --> 00:55:02,085
- The only way this is
gonna work, is if we,
1053
00:55:02,085 --> 00:55:07,085
literally think of this as,
at least in my own mind,
1054
00:55:08,053 --> 00:55:12,950
y'know, one step at a
time, one step at a time.
1055
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:15,900
I have to break it down, I
just have to get distance,
1056
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:18,750
away from this office and away
from this case for a moment,
1057
00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:20,530
'cause otherwise I'll just lose it.
1058
00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:27,000
♪ Being double-crossed ain't nothing new ♪
1059
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,667
♪ Look around, child that's how they do ♪
1060
00:55:34,830 --> 00:55:36,910
It's funny how running
a marathon can really
1061
00:55:36,910 --> 00:55:39,210
teach you a lot of lessons, and help train
1062
00:55:39,210 --> 00:55:41,240
you for bigger things than a race.
1063
00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:44,930
Regardless of how painful,
regardless of how much you
1064
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:47,860
want to stop, as long as
you keep moving, ultimately,
1065
00:55:47,860 --> 00:55:51,060
you're gonna get to that
finish line, it's a fact.
1066
00:55:51,060 --> 00:55:54,680
And so that's kind of our
strategy right now, is to
1067
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,340
understand that this is a
huge endeavor that we're
1068
00:55:58,340 --> 00:56:01,209
undertaking right now and.
1069
00:56:01,209 --> 00:56:02,042
No.
1070
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:07,290
- You asked me, one of
the last times you were
1071
00:56:07,290 --> 00:56:10,350
talking to me, about matir ha asurim,
1072
00:56:10,350 --> 00:56:12,640
this Hebrew prayer of
releasing the prisoners.
1073
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,983
And then I went up to services
1074
00:56:14,983 --> 00:56:17,661
two weeks ago and hit that line.
1075
00:56:17,661 --> 00:56:21,340
It totally brought this wave
of emotion over me as I was
1076
00:56:21,340 --> 00:56:24,810
thinking about Deborah in that
moment and what that meant.
1077
00:56:24,810 --> 00:56:28,660
And in my mind I always had
it, like a cold rainy day at
1078
00:56:28,660 --> 00:56:31,710
Chowchilla with like Nadia
and I and you with a camera,
1079
00:56:31,710 --> 00:56:35,110
and in this vision that
popped into my head, my family
1080
00:56:35,110 --> 00:56:38,210
was there with me, and I
was saying to my daughter
1081
00:56:38,210 --> 00:56:40,560
"This is what I do, this is my job."
1082
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,913
And she would get it, she would see this,
1083
00:56:42,913 --> 00:56:46,166
woman coming out, probably
crying and her family there.
1084
00:56:46,166 --> 00:56:48,790
She would understand, y'know, why I
1085
00:56:48,790 --> 00:56:52,580
spend the late nights doing
this, and, and for me what it
1086
00:56:52,580 --> 00:56:55,120
means to be an attorney, cause she knows
1087
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,870
intellectually, y'know, she
knows that I'm an attorney
1088
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:58,752
and that I help people.
1089
00:56:58,752 --> 00:57:01,710
She doesn't know that I
usually help people get their
1090
00:57:01,710 --> 00:57:05,840
land entitled to build
multi-family residential
1091
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,290
units, but, y'know she would
1092
00:57:08,290 --> 00:57:09,390
be there to know that,
1093
00:57:10,809 --> 00:57:14,992
y'know that this what my
job is, and this is, and
1094
00:57:14,992 --> 00:57:17,540
hopefully it'd be a memory
that she'd take with her her
1095
00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:20,730
whole life to see this event.
1096
00:57:20,730 --> 00:57:21,563
So.
1097
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:26,900
After I had that vision
I kinda thought well
1098
00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:31,000
maybe, this portends what's to come.
1099
00:57:38,003 --> 00:57:39,300
- Hello?
1100
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:42,380
Okay, that was Peter
Hong from The LA Times.
1101
00:57:42,380 --> 00:57:43,380
They like the story.
1102
00:57:45,059 --> 00:57:49,350
- She was convicted of murder
more than 20 years ago,
1103
00:57:49,350 --> 00:57:51,230
but tonight attorneys
fighting for a battered
1104
00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:53,870
woman's freedom say there is
a lot we haven't heard about
1105
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:55,910
her story of abuse and desperation.
1106
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:58,290
- In hand, we have a civil
complaint that we're gonna
1107
00:57:58,290 --> 00:58:02,840
file, and it tells the whole
story, and CBS News has a
1108
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,750
two-minute slot on your story,
1109
00:58:04,750 --> 00:58:07,690
footage from Yoav is on the news.
1110
00:58:07,690 --> 00:58:10,609
- Tonight her attorneys charge
that LA County prosecutors
1111
00:58:10,609 --> 00:58:13,140
went back on their word
by backing out of a plea
1112
00:58:13,140 --> 00:58:16,088
agreement, and they have the
correspondence to prove it.
1113
00:58:16,088 --> 00:58:18,040
It's right there in black and white.
1114
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,800
The LA County District
Attorney's Office told
1115
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,560
Deborah Peagler's attorneys
last summer, it's willing to
1116
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,740
let her out of jail after 23 years.
1117
00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:26,290
The letter includes the name of
1118
00:58:27,264 --> 00:58:29,294
District Attorney Steve
Cooley, and it's signed
1119
00:58:29,294 --> 00:58:31,244
by then Chief Deputy D.A. Curt Livesay.
1120
00:58:32,270 --> 00:58:34,640
- So, we're back to the drawing board.
1121
00:58:36,490 --> 00:58:39,530
The parole board has denied us.
1122
00:58:39,530 --> 00:58:43,420
The court, Superior Court has denied us.
1123
00:58:43,420 --> 00:58:45,540
The D.A. hates us.
1124
00:58:46,570 --> 00:58:48,500
- The prosecutors office refused comment
1125
00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:50,360
citing pending litigation,
1126
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,650
that litigation filed today
by Peagler's attorneys.
1127
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:56,810
- We have asked parole board
1128
00:58:56,810 --> 00:58:59,430
to reconsider their last finding.
1129
00:58:59,430 --> 00:59:01,940
The D.A.'s Office, we're
suing them to force
1130
00:59:01,940 --> 00:59:03,350
them to stick to their deal.
1131
00:59:03,350 --> 00:59:05,650
And we're appealing the
Superior Court's denial, all
1132
00:59:05,650 --> 00:59:07,490
the way up to the Court of
Appeal, in the hope that
1133
00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:10,140
they're gonna direct the
court to do the right thing.
1134
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:14,800
- Coming up here, we're going
to meet two Bay Area attorneys
1135
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,875
who decided to help out a
domestic violence victim.
1136
00:59:16,875 --> 00:59:19,120
They thought it would just
be a couple of months.
1137
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,160
Five years later, they're
still on the case.
1138
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,070
- There's a reason that
your case is going to draw
1139
00:59:25,070 --> 00:59:26,890
attention to this remedy.
1140
00:59:26,890 --> 00:59:31,540
- 25 years for a crime,
unjustly put in prison
1141
00:59:31,540 --> 00:59:33,970
I want everybody who cares
about something like this to
1142
00:59:33,970 --> 00:59:36,380
remember what I'm about to say right here.
1143
00:59:36,380 --> 00:59:40,440
W-W-W Free Debbie dot org.
1144
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:44,860
For us, as outsiders coming
in to help, coming in to help
1145
00:59:44,860 --> 00:59:46,510
bring awareness to the situation,
1146
00:59:47,773 --> 00:59:50,400
it inspires me to be dealing
with people who, against all
1147
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:55,400
odds, are pushing forward,
against all odds are striving
1148
00:59:56,190 --> 00:59:58,840
to believe in miracles,
striving to believe in truth.
1149
01:00:11,410 --> 01:00:13,540
- Nice to meet you, thank
you so much for coming.
1150
01:00:14,579 --> 01:00:16,079
I'm so excited!
- We are too!
1151
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:18,800
- None of us are free.
1152
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,250
While one of us are chained,
none of us are free.
1153
01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:26,140
My case should matter to
people outside of California
1154
01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:28,600
because my case isn't about me anymore.
1155
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,280
It's about so many other people.
1156
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,090
I represent the larger part of
1157
01:00:32,090 --> 01:00:33,880
the women's prison population.
1158
01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:38,711
♪ You better listen my
sisters my brothers ♪
1159
01:00:38,711 --> 01:00:41,650
♪ Cause if you do, then you can hear ♪
1160
01:00:41,650 --> 01:00:46,650
♪ There are voices still
calling across the years ♪
1161
01:00:47,340 --> 01:00:51,787
♪ And they're crying across the ocean ♪
1162
01:00:51,787 --> 01:00:55,247
♪ And they're cryin across the land ♪
1163
01:00:55,247 --> 01:00:59,939
♪ And they will till we
all come to understand ♪
1164
01:00:59,939 --> 01:01:01,816
♪ Understand ♪
1165
01:01:01,816 --> 01:01:04,524
♪ None of us are free ♪
1166
01:01:04,524 --> 01:01:07,098
♪ None of us are free ♪
1167
01:01:07,098 --> 01:01:09,670
♪ None of us are free ♪
1168
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:11,751
♪ If one of us is chained ♪
1169
01:01:11,751 --> 01:01:15,190
♪ None of us are free ♪
1170
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:18,730
- Y'know, you have to
applaud Deborah for strength.
1171
01:01:18,730 --> 01:01:21,090
When you've been locked
up for that many years,
1172
01:01:21,090 --> 01:01:23,400
and then you're promised to be free.
1173
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,380
And then you get your mind
set ready, you get your heart
1174
01:01:26,380 --> 01:01:30,550
ready, and you get excited
about the new world you're
1175
01:01:30,550 --> 01:01:32,909
about to travel and
then they renege on it.
1176
01:01:32,909 --> 01:01:35,390
And everything changes.
1177
01:01:35,390 --> 01:01:37,898
Not only could it break you, but it
1178
01:01:37,898 --> 01:01:42,360
could totally change your
viewpoint about justice,
1179
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:43,760
what is the word?
1180
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,280
It could change your viewpoint about God,
1181
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,030
who is he, what is he doing?
1182
01:01:48,030 --> 01:01:50,000
It could break most human beings.
1183
01:01:53,860 --> 01:01:56,650
- Because I went through
all this, all this pain,
1184
01:01:56,650 --> 01:01:59,230
and all this stuff is not in vain.
1185
01:01:59,230 --> 01:02:03,180
It's gonna be great for someone else.
1186
01:02:03,180 --> 01:02:05,860
- Since California is the only
state that has this habeas
1187
01:02:05,860 --> 01:02:08,590
petition law on its books,
if other states look at
1188
01:02:08,590 --> 01:02:12,430
California and the attention
this case has in the media,
1189
01:02:12,430 --> 01:02:15,260
and the legal attention that
the case would get if it's
1190
01:02:15,260 --> 01:02:18,050
decided at that level, then
hopefully other states will
1191
01:02:18,050 --> 01:02:21,310
look at these cases, pass
legislation in their states,
1192
01:02:21,310 --> 01:02:22,840
and use California as a model.
1193
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,970
- There's a new law in
California that will allow
1194
01:02:26,970 --> 01:02:29,740
some domestic abuse evidence
in court that would have not
1195
01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:31,230
been allowed before, correct?
1196
01:02:31,230 --> 01:02:32,063
- That's right, in.
1197
01:02:32,063 --> 01:02:33,410
- And so that's what you
wanna do is get this.
1198
01:02:33,410 --> 01:02:35,850
- In 1983 it wasn't relevant
whether you were battered, it
1199
01:02:35,850 --> 01:02:37,890
wasn't even legally admissible.
1200
01:02:37,890 --> 01:02:40,824
- This document is the 1983 memo
1201
01:02:40,824 --> 01:02:43,700
written by the District Attorney.
1202
01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:47,390
- So Bobby finally got his
hands on the D.A.'s alibi
1203
01:02:47,390 --> 01:02:51,660
memo from 1983 and we were amazed.
1204
01:02:51,660 --> 01:02:53,830
- Bobby won't say how he got it.
1205
01:02:53,830 --> 01:02:56,870
As he always likes to say,
part of being a private
1206
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:58,850
investigator is being an investigator,
1207
01:02:58,850 --> 01:03:00,620
and part of it is being private.
1208
01:03:01,900 --> 01:03:03,880
But I will tell you that the memo is
1209
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,820
shocking and the information
in that memo itself
1210
01:03:06,820 --> 01:03:09,920
could probably exonerate Debbie.
1211
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,410
- It says that Deadman perjured
himself on the stand, he
1212
01:03:13,410 --> 01:03:16,402
lied, that's their word, he
perjured himself on the stand.
1213
01:03:16,402 --> 01:03:20,060
- This is certainly the
smoking gun that supports the
1214
01:03:20,060 --> 01:03:21,890
position that we've already alleged.
1215
01:03:21,890 --> 01:03:24,611
- There's an enormous
difference between saying
1216
01:03:24,611 --> 01:03:28,350
"There are veracity concerns
with the witness or witnesses"
1217
01:03:28,350 --> 01:03:32,190
and saying "Anthony Reedburg committed
1218
01:03:32,190 --> 01:03:34,420
"perjury at the preliminary hearing."
1219
01:03:34,420 --> 01:03:37,841
- These people, to give
her a life-top sentence,
1220
01:03:37,841 --> 01:03:41,490
did it, lied to her, for a win.
1221
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,340
How fucked that is?
1222
01:03:45,340 --> 01:03:47,500
- And the memo goes on to
say that he's an informant.
1223
01:03:47,500 --> 01:03:50,670
It turns out Deadman has
been a paid informant for law
1224
01:03:50,670 --> 01:03:53,830
enforcement in Los Angeles
County for decades.
1225
01:03:53,830 --> 01:03:57,130
These were facts that the D.A.
was obligated to disclose in
1226
01:03:57,130 --> 01:04:01,762
1983, an obligation disclosure
that has continued everyday
1227
01:04:01,762 --> 01:04:06,762
for 25 years, and the D.A.'s
Office has kept it secret.
1228
01:04:09,940 --> 01:04:13,480
- Ms. Lopez an you
make a statement as to why
1229
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,470
the Los Angeles District
Attorney's Office withdrew its
1230
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:19,320
own offer made in writing
to free Deborah Peagler?
1231
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,380
- No, I think that all of the evidence
1232
01:04:21,380 --> 01:04:22,991
has been presented on that.
1233
01:04:22,991 --> 01:04:24,840
- Tracey, we've got a
meeting to go to, excuse me.
1234
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:25,730
- Excuse me.
1235
01:04:25,730 --> 01:04:27,530
- Ms. Rubin, do you
have any comment as to why
1236
01:04:27,530 --> 01:04:29,300
the District Attorney withdrew the
1237
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:30,934
offer for Deborah Peagler?
1238
01:04:30,934 --> 01:04:33,542
Do you have any comment as to why.
1239
01:04:33,542 --> 01:04:35,690
- I said we have a meeting to go to.
1240
01:04:36,570 --> 01:04:38,520
Why don't you try making an appointment
1241
01:04:39,810 --> 01:04:42,180
at a time that we can speak with you?
1242
01:04:42,180 --> 01:04:43,013
Thank you.
1243
01:04:43,013 --> 01:04:43,846
- I would love to do that.
1244
01:04:43,846 --> 01:04:44,970
Will you agree to an appointment?
1245
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:52,440
It's almost as if they
didn't want to talk to us.
1246
01:05:01,070 --> 01:05:04,011
- We need some ruling that
the District Attorney is not a
1247
01:05:04,011 --> 01:05:09,011
party to argue on the other
side of this, you know,
1248
01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:12,370
because they've withheld this information.
1249
01:05:12,370 --> 01:05:14,390
- They've got disqualifying
interests all over this thing.
1250
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:15,687
- Right.
1251
01:05:15,687 --> 01:05:16,520
It took us a year and a half,
1252
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,350
but we finally won at the court of appeal.
1253
01:05:18,350 --> 01:05:20,937
They sent Debbie's case
back down to lower court.
1254
01:05:20,937 --> 01:05:23,700
They ordered the court
to give her her day in
1255
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:25,520
court, and the first thing
that we're doing is we're
1256
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,001
moving to disqualify the
entire L.A. D.A.'s office,
1257
01:05:29,001 --> 01:05:31,670
because of all the misconduct
that they've been involved in,
1258
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:34,700
going all the way back to 1983
and involving everyone all
1259
01:05:34,700 --> 01:05:38,100
the way up to the District
Attorney, Steve Cooley himself.
1260
01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:40,950
These motions are very rarely granted, in
1261
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:44,177
US history maybe a handful of
times has a court thrown out
1262
01:05:44,177 --> 01:05:47,887
an entire D.A.'s office, in
this case a thousand attorneys.
1263
01:05:47,887 --> 01:05:51,030
But we believe that
the facts of misconduct
1264
01:05:51,030 --> 01:05:53,730
are so compelling that we've
got a pretty good shot of
1265
01:05:54,919 --> 01:05:58,840
knocking the D.A.'s office out.
1266
01:06:00,675 --> 01:06:01,508
- So you want tell her the.
1267
01:06:01,508 --> 01:06:02,428
- We should probably start
1268
01:06:02,428 --> 01:06:03,261
with the best news first.
1269
01:06:03,261 --> 01:06:04,178
- The big news!
1270
01:06:04,178 --> 01:06:09,178
- In a 12-page written
decision, Judge Ryan has
1271
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:11,940
disqualified the entire
District Attorney's Office,
1272
01:06:11,940 --> 01:06:13,731
all one thousand attorneys.
1273
01:06:13,731 --> 01:06:14,890
- Yay!
1274
01:06:14,890 --> 01:06:16,460
- And held that they're recused for
1275
01:06:16,460 --> 01:06:18,370
disqualifying conflicts of interest.
1276
01:06:18,370 --> 01:06:19,310
- Yay!
1277
01:06:19,310 --> 01:06:21,990
- And held that all of the
senior D.A.s, including
1278
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:25,540
Steve Cooley, Lael Rubin,
John Spillane, Curtis Hazell,
1279
01:06:25,540 --> 01:06:28,328
Curt Livesay, they're
all circling the wagons
1280
01:06:28,328 --> 01:06:31,370
to protect their professional reputations.
1281
01:06:42,430 --> 01:06:46,750
So that's, the big good
news is that D.A. is off.
1282
01:06:46,750 --> 01:06:47,583
- Yay.
1283
01:06:47,583 --> 01:06:50,890
- Ryan's a great
judge, the bad news is.
1284
01:06:50,890 --> 01:06:52,077
- Answered prayer.
1285
01:06:52,077 --> 01:06:54,420
- That the D.A. has an independent right
1286
01:06:54,420 --> 01:06:57,378
to appeal the decision, if they want.
1287
01:06:57,378 --> 01:06:59,070
- Which they probably will.
1288
01:06:59,070 --> 01:07:01,140
You think they will?
1289
01:07:01,140 --> 01:07:04,450
- A rational approach, for
the D.A.'s perspective,
1290
01:07:04,450 --> 01:07:07,230
from the D.A.'s perspective
is not to appeal because.
1291
01:07:07,230 --> 01:07:09,290
- But we're not dealing
with rational people.
1292
01:07:09,290 --> 01:07:10,830
- Well, that's true.
1293
01:07:28,911 --> 01:07:29,807
- How are you?
1294
01:07:29,807 --> 01:07:30,640
- I'm okay.
1295
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,450
About five months ago
I started to feel ill,
1296
01:07:37,450 --> 01:07:39,250
like I had a cold or a flu.
1297
01:07:40,550 --> 01:07:44,090
And I went to the doctor,
that was in November.
1298
01:07:44,090 --> 01:07:47,400
I went back in December, still
1299
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:51,840
treated for cold, flu-like
symptoms, nothing helped,
1300
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:53,060
none of the medicine they gave me helped.
1301
01:07:53,060 --> 01:07:54,430
So I went back in January,
1302
01:07:55,370 --> 01:07:57,070
finally got a chest x-ray ordered.
1303
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:03,020
Was diagnosed with pneumonia,
and treated with antibiotics.
1304
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:07,110
Still cough persisted,
still didn't feel well.
1305
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,820
See a doctor again,
beginning of February, got
1306
01:08:10,820 --> 01:08:13,770
transferred out to the hospital,
Madera Community Hospital,
1307
01:08:13,770 --> 01:08:17,440
series of tests ran,
and, within, I'd say a
1308
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:21,780
two-week period of time, was
diagnosed with lung cancer.
1309
01:08:27,740 --> 01:08:30,000
- We don't know whether she
got it from smoking cigarettes
1310
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,550
20 years ago, or whether
it's, as many of the inmates
1311
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:35,800
believe, she was exposed to
hazardous materials in prison.
1312
01:08:36,660 --> 01:08:38,967
Whatever the case, we
probably never know, and it's
1313
01:08:38,967 --> 01:08:41,700
terminal, and we're in
a race against time.
1314
01:08:43,830 --> 01:08:48,250
- I always worry that
her last breath would be
1315
01:08:48,250 --> 01:08:51,230
inside those walls, instead of with us.
1316
01:08:52,430 --> 01:08:55,800
I feel like the least, there's
no way I would have peace,
1317
01:08:57,220 --> 01:09:01,320
I can get peace outta this,
if it happens that way.
1318
01:09:02,540 --> 01:09:04,440
- Everyone that we talk to are
1319
01:09:04,440 --> 01:09:07,180
praying for you, are supporting you.
1320
01:09:07,180 --> 01:09:10,460
We're getting phone calls
from people we've never met,
1321
01:09:10,460 --> 01:09:12,820
who are calling and saying
"what can we do," and.
1322
01:09:12,820 --> 01:09:13,653
- Wow.
1323
01:09:13,653 --> 01:09:17,030
- Your strength and perseverance
in this is remarkable.
1324
01:09:19,128 --> 01:09:20,710
- I didn't really have a choice.
1325
01:09:20,710 --> 01:09:21,543
- Yeah.
1326
01:09:22,927 --> 01:09:26,920
I am privileged to work on your case.
1327
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:31,570
Y'know it's maybe the most
important thing I have ever done.
1328
01:09:31,570 --> 01:09:34,318
Every day I think about you
and this case and what to do.
1329
01:09:34,318 --> 01:09:38,790
And I speak to Nadia and
Joshua and Yoav and we are
1330
01:09:38,790 --> 01:09:41,550
constantly working and thinking.
1331
01:09:41,550 --> 01:09:45,690
All of a sudden this thing,
you know this medical health
1332
01:09:45,690 --> 01:09:50,311
thing, this cancer sort of
upped the ante enormously.
1333
01:09:50,311 --> 01:09:55,311
So now we are in like another
gear and in some way we are
1334
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,210
praying for some way that, you
know, for that it works out.
1335
01:10:02,820 --> 01:10:05,280
- It's got to, I just
do not want to die here.
1336
01:10:06,934 --> 01:10:08,184
I don't want to die here.
1337
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,390
- The medical care that inmates receive in
1338
01:10:13,390 --> 01:10:16,110
California prisons is reprehensible.
1339
01:10:16,110 --> 01:10:18,440
And in fact a federal judge has determined
1340
01:10:18,440 --> 01:10:20,310
that it is actually unconstitutional.
1341
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:23,170
So at this point in time
we are driving down to get
1342
01:10:23,170 --> 01:10:25,790
Debbie's records but most
importantly to be with Debbie
1343
01:10:25,790 --> 01:10:28,620
as she endures her first
chemotherapy, which can be
1344
01:10:28,620 --> 01:10:31,540
horrifically painful even in
the best hospital setting.
1345
01:10:32,830 --> 01:10:36,070
- It's kind of overwhelming
sometimes cause here it is
1346
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:38,000
y'know, we're attorney-client.
1347
01:10:38,850 --> 01:10:41,730
But we're really not
attorney-client, we're like family.
1348
01:10:41,730 --> 01:10:43,861
They make me feel like
they're my family, and
1349
01:10:43,861 --> 01:10:45,961
they don't make me feel like I'm a client.
1350
01:10:48,290 --> 01:10:50,430
And them being there
with me during my first
1351
01:10:50,430 --> 01:10:53,220
chemo meant the world to me.
1352
01:10:57,021 --> 01:10:59,860
I don't know how I'm
ever gonna repay them,
1353
01:10:59,860 --> 01:11:04,420
how I'm ever show them how
much I appreciate them.
1354
01:11:33,740 --> 01:11:35,150
It's been horrible.
1355
01:11:35,150 --> 01:11:38,040
It's the worst thing anybody
could possibly go through.
1356
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,750
I still can't believe it.
1357
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:44,583
Still.
1358
01:11:46,410 --> 01:11:47,650
But I'm just so weak.
1359
01:11:48,857 --> 01:11:52,550
I don't have any energy,
and it drives me crazy.
1360
01:11:53,390 --> 01:11:55,877
Cause y'know I'm used to being busy
1361
01:11:55,877 --> 01:11:58,130
and having a life, and it's
like now I don't have a life,
1362
01:11:58,130 --> 01:12:00,100
all I do is watch T.V. and sleep.
1363
01:12:10,270 --> 01:12:11,103
- Hey Natasha.
1364
01:12:11,103 --> 01:12:12,060
- Hi Joshua, how are you?
1365
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,665
How you doin'?
1366
01:12:15,665 --> 01:12:16,930
- I want you to know that we're
1367
01:12:16,930 --> 01:12:18,990
not going to give up on your Mom.
1368
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,530
I'm hopeful that, you know,
we'll try to put together
1369
01:12:22,530 --> 01:12:25,100
the biggest and best package
that we can on parole.
1370
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:29,410
But also, as you know, she's
been denied three times before
1371
01:12:29,410 --> 01:12:32,557
and they never really seem
to give much of a reason.
1372
01:12:32,557 --> 01:12:36,150
So, it's kind of a shot in the dark.
1373
01:12:36,150 --> 01:12:39,460
- We appreciate the fight,
the effort, the love,
1374
01:12:39,460 --> 01:12:40,630
we appreciate it all.
1375
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:43,370
I know you'll fight as hard as we will,
1376
01:12:43,370 --> 01:12:46,347
if not harder to get us on board to get us
1377
01:12:46,347 --> 01:12:48,547
to where we want to be
where she'll be home.
1378
01:12:49,470 --> 01:12:52,350
I think it'll be worth it,
even if it's a day or a hour,
1379
01:12:52,350 --> 01:12:53,750
I think it will be worth it.
1380
01:13:01,931 --> 01:13:04,440
Lord, this is hard.
1381
01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:06,790
We've been fighting 27 years.
1382
01:13:15,950 --> 01:13:20,950
- What we need to do is to
tell your story, and have faith
1383
01:13:21,431 --> 01:13:26,431
that in the end, you're gonna
find peace no matter what.
1384
01:13:27,730 --> 01:13:29,510
You're gonna find peace no
matter what because we're
1385
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:32,780
telling a story that's
accurate, and we're telling a
1386
01:13:32,780 --> 01:13:34,700
story that deserves to be heard.
1387
01:13:58,928 --> 01:14:01,450
- I feel like I'm suitable
for parole because
1388
01:14:01,450 --> 01:14:03,940
I have a understanding of
my crime, I know what I did.
1389
01:14:03,940 --> 01:14:06,240
I know what I did was horrible,
1390
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,090
I can't take it back, I wish I could.
1391
01:14:10,670 --> 01:14:13,120
I know the impact that my actions have
1392
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:18,000
had on not only my family, but his family.
1393
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,450
I've made amends with the
majority of his family.
1394
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,650
I've reached out to them and
1395
01:14:23,650 --> 01:14:27,400
have received forgiveness
and understanding.
1396
01:14:30,380 --> 01:14:31,580
I think because of that.
1397
01:14:34,544 --> 01:14:36,530
And the fact that my victim's family
1398
01:14:36,530 --> 01:14:38,790
does not oppose my release.
1399
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:41,130
- The evidence before you
shows that Ms. Peagler,
1400
01:14:41,130 --> 01:14:43,378
starting at the age of fifteen
and continuing for years,
1401
01:14:43,378 --> 01:14:46,300
was subjected to horrific abuse
1402
01:14:46,300 --> 01:14:48,150
at the hands of Oliver Wilson.
1403
01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:50,610
And note that, that this evidence comes,
1404
01:14:50,610 --> 01:14:52,724
not primarily from Debbie
Peagler, but from numerous
1405
01:14:52,724 --> 01:14:55,300
percipient witnesses who were present
1406
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:57,275
and saw what she endured,
1407
01:14:57,275 --> 01:15:01,315
many of whom were Oliver
Wilson's friends and family.
1408
01:15:01,315 --> 01:15:03,930
- For the record my
name is Natasha Wilson.
1409
01:15:03,930 --> 01:15:08,930
I am the daughter of both the
inmate as well as the victim.
1410
01:15:10,290 --> 01:15:15,030
I'm pleading and begging
in the release of my Mom.
1411
01:15:19,656 --> 01:15:24,000
She's already given all that she can give.
1412
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,724
She's done all that she can do to state
1413
01:15:27,724 --> 01:15:31,290
she's sorry, to right the wrong.
1414
01:15:31,290 --> 01:15:33,880
It's nothing else she can do or say.
1415
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:37,610
It's hard sitting by the phone just
1416
01:15:37,610 --> 01:15:42,610
waiting for the answer, the solution.
1417
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:48,080
This is the solution,
it comes to this day.
1418
01:15:49,540 --> 01:15:52,920
I haven't had a relationship
with my Mom that
1419
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,890
I need to have because
of her being in prison.
1420
01:15:56,890 --> 01:16:01,220
I just want one night with no
limitations, one night where
1421
01:16:01,220 --> 01:16:04,910
I can do whatever, say
whatever, hug her, talk to
1422
01:16:04,910 --> 01:16:09,610
her, just the basic, simplest
stuff, eat dinner with her,
1423
01:16:09,610 --> 01:16:12,500
just, in my home, before she die.
1424
01:16:13,780 --> 01:16:18,780
Please don't let my Mom
die inside this prison, I'm
1425
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:22,250
just beggin' and pleadin'
for just one day.
1426
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:24,992
Please.
1427
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:51,095
- Despite the negative
circumstances, and like
1428
01:16:51,095 --> 01:16:54,380
we say, we've fully considered those
1429
01:16:54,380 --> 01:16:56,120
circumstances, and after weighing all the
1430
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,912
considerations provided in
Title Fifteen, the panel
1431
01:16:58,912 --> 01:17:02,830
finds you are suitable for
parole because the positive
1432
01:17:02,830 --> 01:17:05,464
aspects of your case outweigh
the other considerations.
1433
01:17:05,464 --> 01:17:09,842
Specifically, we find
you suitable for parole,
1434
01:17:09,842 --> 01:17:13,934
based on the fact that you
were were suffering from
1435
01:17:13,934 --> 01:17:17,020
intimate partner battering at the time.
1436
01:17:17,020 --> 01:17:18,988
We also have acknowledged your,
1437
01:17:18,988 --> 01:17:23,988
support in the community
and in the institution.
1438
01:17:36,460 --> 01:17:39,325
- Well, in a bizarre narrative
twist which is now typical of
1439
01:17:39,325 --> 01:17:43,070
this case, Debbie's fate
rests in the hands of all
1440
01:17:43,070 --> 01:17:47,150
people, of a man who before
he became governor, was best
1441
01:17:47,150 --> 01:17:50,050
known for portraying a
merciless, robotic, killing
1442
01:17:50,050 --> 01:17:51,250
machine from the future.
1443
01:17:52,174 --> 01:17:57,174
Governor Schwarzenegger has
received thousands of letters
1444
01:17:57,300 --> 01:18:00,640
in support of Debbie's
release and only one letter
1445
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:04,001
in opposition from D.A. Steve Cooley,
1446
01:18:04,001 --> 01:18:06,870
and we don't know what he's gonna do.
1447
01:18:11,610 --> 01:18:14,570
- If after all of the evidence
that we have been able to
1448
01:18:14,570 --> 01:18:18,996
produce, that proves the
abuse that she suffered, and
1449
01:18:18,996 --> 01:18:22,570
all of the evidence we have
been able to present that
1450
01:18:22,570 --> 01:18:25,380
proves the amount of
misconduct that occurred in
1451
01:18:25,380 --> 01:18:29,620
this case, combine that with
the fact that she now has
1452
01:18:29,620 --> 01:18:33,390
stage IV lung cancer, if we
are not able to take all of
1453
01:18:33,390 --> 01:18:37,562
that information and get for
her that one day of freedom,
1454
01:18:37,562 --> 01:18:42,562
then to me I think the
criminal justice system is
1455
01:18:42,834 --> 01:18:46,560
not only broken but
perhaps, beyond repair.
1456
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:50,340
But on the other hand, if we are able to
1457
01:18:50,340 --> 01:18:55,154
secure her freedom and give
her, even just that one day,
1458
01:18:55,154 --> 01:18:59,895
with her family outside of
those prison gates, then
1459
01:18:59,895 --> 01:19:03,860
what it says to me, is that there is hope.
1460
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,130
- A controversial and long running
1461
01:19:06,130 --> 01:19:08,190
case regains the spotlight today.
1462
01:19:08,190 --> 01:19:11,020
- She's only been given
days or months to live.
1463
01:19:11,020 --> 01:19:14,894
Deborah Peagler has served
27 years of a 25-to-life
1464
01:19:14,894 --> 01:19:17,730
sentence in prison for killing a man even
1465
01:19:17,730 --> 01:19:20,965
authorities acknowledge
brutalized her and her daughters.
1466
01:19:20,965 --> 01:19:24,484
♪ Am I gonna make the news tonight ♪
1467
01:19:24,484 --> 01:19:27,161
♪ Make an example of my life ♪
1468
01:19:27,161 --> 01:19:30,158
♪ Are you gonna leave me here to die ♪
1469
01:19:30,158 --> 01:19:33,126
♪ Or are you gonna save my life ♪
1470
01:19:33,126 --> 01:19:35,860
- Free Debbie now!
1471
01:19:35,860 --> 01:19:37,950
- The victim's family,
the Wilson family has no
1472
01:19:37,950 --> 01:19:40,130
objection to her comin'
home, they even went to every
1473
01:19:40,130 --> 01:19:42,680
parole hearing for the last
probably six or seven years
1474
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,380
pleading with you all to let
her come home, so if they
1475
01:19:45,380 --> 01:19:49,072
have no objection to it, who
are you to keep her in there?
1476
01:19:49,072 --> 01:19:53,230
I mean she can do no harm, so
please Governor Schwarzenegger
1477
01:19:53,230 --> 01:19:55,540
please, allow my sister to come home and
1478
01:19:55,540 --> 01:19:57,760
spend her last days
with her family, please.
1479
01:19:58,930 --> 01:20:01,061
- The District Attorney
himself Steve Cooley said,
1480
01:20:01,061 --> 01:20:03,950
"Well that's right," and,
had agreed to a deal to
1481
01:20:03,950 --> 01:20:07,235
let her out, so for him
to renege on his deal
1482
01:20:07,235 --> 01:20:09,690
is the first thing that
really stinks here.
1483
01:20:10,964 --> 01:20:14,128
♪ Am I gonna make the news tonight ♪
1484
01:20:14,128 --> 01:20:17,072
♪ Make an example of my life ♪
1485
01:20:17,072 --> 01:20:20,904
♪ Are you gonna leave me here to die ♪
1486
01:20:20,904 --> 01:20:25,087
♪ Or are you gonna save my life ♪
1487
01:20:25,087 --> 01:20:26,100
- Can you count to five for me?
1488
01:20:26,100 --> 01:20:28,190
- One, two, three, four, six.
1489
01:20:29,570 --> 01:20:33,190
- Steve Cooley, can you
answer for me, why you changed
1490
01:20:33,190 --> 01:20:35,658
your stance on the case
of Deborah Peagler?
1491
01:20:35,658 --> 01:20:38,080
- You know that, that matter's
under civil litigation,
1492
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:39,410
we're not gonna discuss that.
1493
01:20:39,410 --> 01:20:42,580
Tonight's my night for attorney
general, and, after all
1494
01:20:42,580 --> 01:20:46,406
it was a, assassination
killing for insurance purposes.
1495
01:20:46,406 --> 01:20:50,960
- I'm sorry to belabor the
point, but there's one piece
1496
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,260
of evidence your office held on to for
1497
01:20:53,260 --> 01:20:55,260
25 years in the Deborah Peagler case.
1498
01:20:55,260 --> 01:20:56,930
Can you explain why that was
1499
01:20:56,930 --> 01:20:59,070
never turned over to her attorneys?
1500
01:20:59,070 --> 01:21:01,250
- Quite frankly, I don't know
what you're talking about.
1501
01:21:01,250 --> 01:21:03,320
And if that's your only issue
1502
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,390
then this interview is probably over.
1503
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:08,320
We did appropriately.
1504
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:09,320
Thank you very much.
1505
01:21:17,580 --> 01:21:18,870
- And here's Natasha.
1506
01:21:21,018 --> 01:21:21,851
Hi!
- Hi.
1507
01:21:23,258 --> 01:21:25,420
- How was your flight?
- It was good.
1508
01:21:25,420 --> 01:21:28,102
- Okay, so we're gonna go down here.
1509
01:21:28,102 --> 01:21:30,680
- Carla and Nadia is calling me.
1510
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,960
- We have a little bit of change of plans.
1511
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,312
I have an email from Nadia that I wanted.
1512
01:21:35,312 --> 01:21:39,060
- Yeah, she's calling me
and my aunt's called me.
1513
01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:40,550
- And she did?
1514
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:41,710
And did you speak to them?
1515
01:21:41,710 --> 01:21:43,180
- No, I haven't spoken to anyone yet.
1516
01:21:43,180 --> 01:21:46,660
- Okay, so this is a note, from Nadia.
1517
01:21:46,660 --> 01:21:51,660
It says, "The governor
is declining to review,
1518
01:21:51,795 --> 01:21:53,850
"she is getting out."
1519
01:21:53,850 --> 01:21:54,683
- My God.
1520
01:21:56,545 --> 01:21:57,960
- And then there's an
attachment letter which I'm
1521
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,990
gonna get on this funky
phone and I'll read it to
1522
01:22:00,990 --> 01:22:04,857
you, but basically,
sometime in the next day,
1523
01:22:04,857 --> 01:22:08,980
two, three, she will be out.
1524
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,040
Out, she will walk out
the door of the prison.
1525
01:22:24,487 --> 01:22:27,220
- Thank you so much.
- I'm so happy for you.
1526
01:22:27,220 --> 01:22:29,380
- Thank you so so so much.
1527
01:22:30,355 --> 01:22:33,090
Thank you so much.
1528
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:46,760
- It's Saturday night,
after the Sabbath, and a
1529
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,870
few days before Debbie is
supposed to be released.
1530
01:22:49,870 --> 01:22:53,430
And I just, I'm coming back
online after my sabbatical,
1531
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:57,110
my 25 hour sabbatical, and I'm
just wanna check in and see
1532
01:22:57,110 --> 01:23:00,190
what I've missed over the last
twenty-five hours and see if
1533
01:23:00,190 --> 01:23:03,590
we can get a more precise read
on when Debbie's getting out.
1534
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:06,980
Well, I just wanted to
check in with you, I've been
1535
01:23:06,980 --> 01:23:10,260
offline for about 24
hours, and wanted to see if
1536
01:23:10,260 --> 01:23:12,760
you heard anything from
Debbie or from the prison.
1537
01:23:17,284 --> 01:23:18,234
Who there with you?
1538
01:23:29,410 --> 01:23:31,970
Wow, that's fantastic news.
1539
01:23:34,610 --> 01:23:35,460
Okay, no problem.
1540
01:23:36,850 --> 01:23:40,950
Hi, how ya doin?
1541
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:42,210
I'm fantastic!
1542
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:45,970
Did they tell you what they
were doing or did they?
1543
01:23:50,604 --> 01:23:55,330
I can't believe that they
snuck you out like that.
1544
01:23:57,780 --> 01:24:01,451
I know, the only thing is,
the sooner the better, but
1545
01:24:01,451 --> 01:24:03,871
we certainly would have
liked to have been there,
1546
01:24:03,871 --> 01:24:07,870
but how did it go for ya?
1547
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:20,470
You came to freedom in
a Denny's parking lot?
1548
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:23,113
Man.
1549
01:24:26,164 --> 01:24:31,164
Y'know I, this is, well,
God works in mysterious ways.
1550
01:24:36,580 --> 01:24:38,600
I guess I just didn't.
1551
01:24:57,450 --> 01:24:58,283
That's amazing.
1552
01:25:01,650 --> 01:25:04,870
It makes it all worth it.
1553
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:07,430
- Lookie here, we did it!
1554
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:09,090
- We did it.
- We did it!
1555
01:25:09,090 --> 01:25:10,772
- Welcome home.
1556
01:25:10,772 --> 01:25:11,760
- Thank you so much.
1557
01:25:15,626 --> 01:25:19,460
A lot better yes.
1558
01:25:20,510 --> 01:25:22,500
Beautiful sunset, look at the clouds.
1559
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:23,650
It's beautiful!
1560
01:25:23,650 --> 01:25:25,490
We went and walked on the beach.
1561
01:25:25,490 --> 01:25:27,190
What made the experience even more special
1562
01:25:27,190 --> 01:25:29,840
to me, was the fact that
Joshua brought his daughter.
1563
01:25:31,580 --> 01:25:34,230
She was born, right when
Joshua took my case.
1564
01:25:34,230 --> 01:25:36,610
I'll treasure that in my mind, forever.
1565
01:25:37,820 --> 01:25:39,920
I feel such amazement right now.
1566
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:41,040
That's all I thought about was coming
1567
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,870
to the ocean while I was in prison.
1568
01:25:55,851 --> 01:25:57,268
Woah, woah, woah!
1569
01:25:58,442 --> 01:25:59,775
Whoa, got me!
1570
01:26:07,690 --> 01:26:09,320
- Personally I would love for Debbie to
1571
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,890
continue to sue Steve
Cooley and the D.A.'s office
1572
01:26:11,890 --> 01:26:13,900
for all their misdeeds and for the false
1573
01:26:13,900 --> 01:26:16,208
imprisonment and the
malicious prosecution.
1574
01:26:16,208 --> 01:26:19,110
But after all we have been
through Debbie feels like she
1575
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:21,071
is done with legal battles
and she wants to devote the
1576
01:26:21,071 --> 01:26:23,790
rest of her days to being with family
1577
01:26:23,790 --> 01:26:25,590
and friends and helping others.
1578
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:29,100
And Debbie believes that God
will take care of Steve Cooley.
1579
01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:31,641
- This was Los
Angeles District Attorney
1580
01:26:31,641 --> 01:26:33,920
Steve Cooley on election
night, declaring victory
1581
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,970
in the race for state Attorney General.
1582
01:26:35,970 --> 01:26:39,690
- Although my highly paid
trusted advisors say it may
1583
01:26:39,690 --> 01:26:42,190
be a little too early,
I am declaring victory.
1584
01:26:45,888 --> 01:26:47,850
- Oops, he should
have listened to his advisors.
1585
01:26:47,850 --> 01:26:49,897
This morning Steve Cooley conceded the
1586
01:26:49,897 --> 01:26:53,640
Attorney General's race
to Democrat Kamela Harris.
1587
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,262
- Harris will
become the first woman and the
1588
01:26:56,262 --> 01:26:58,640
first minority to serve as
California Attorney General.
1589
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,658
Experts are saying it
is an important step to
1590
01:27:00,658 --> 01:27:03,110
restoring faith in the
criminal justice system.
1591
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:10,720
- They imprisoned her body,
but they did not imprison her
1592
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:14,940
mind, or her soul, Deborah Peagler.
1593
01:27:17,480 --> 01:27:21,480
- I take every opportunity
I can to share my story in
1594
01:27:21,480 --> 01:27:24,527
hopes that no one, no one,
would ever have to suffer and
1595
01:27:24,527 --> 01:27:27,450
go through the things I've been through.
1596
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:32,640
Nothing is going to stop
me, not even this cancer.
1597
01:27:33,490 --> 01:27:37,050
And even after I pass,
this film will continue on.
1598
01:27:39,667 --> 01:27:40,500
Telling my story.
1599
01:27:40,500 --> 01:27:42,720
Telling the story of others.
1600
01:27:43,573 --> 01:27:45,210
The kindness of strangers,
people who did not even know
1601
01:27:45,210 --> 01:27:48,110
me, for the pursuit of justice.
1602
01:27:48,110 --> 01:27:48,990
I'll never stop.
1603
01:27:50,097 --> 01:27:50,960
- Everybody say Deborah!
1604
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:51,793
- Deborah!
1605
01:27:56,230 --> 01:27:58,656
- I'm home. I have so
much to be thankful for.
1606
01:27:58,656 --> 01:28:00,550
Since my release from prison,
1607
01:28:00,550 --> 01:28:02,000
just amazing things have happened.
1608
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,510
Things I can't call
anything else but miracles.
1609
01:28:04,510 --> 01:28:06,170
Number one, my health.
1610
01:28:06,170 --> 01:28:08,577
I have more good days than bad days.
1611
01:28:08,577 --> 01:28:10,740
What are you doin'?
1612
01:28:10,740 --> 01:28:11,764
Yeah?
1613
01:28:11,764 --> 01:28:13,030
What else?
1614
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:15,960
The second thing is forgiveness.
1615
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:17,990
I've experienced forgiveness
from Oliver's family,
1616
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:20,240
I've had the opportunity to
be embraced by his mother.
1617
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:21,990
And spending time with her,
1618
01:28:22,876 --> 01:28:24,810
such a spirit of peace was upon me.
1619
01:28:24,810 --> 01:28:26,040
His sister Zabrina.
1620
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,810
And I can't even tell you how that feels.
1621
01:28:34,283 --> 01:28:35,116
Woah!
1622
01:28:37,454 --> 01:28:38,486
- I get to sit down and watch
1623
01:28:38,486 --> 01:28:40,240
Granny play with her grandkids.
1624
01:28:41,740 --> 01:28:42,573
What a joy!
1625
01:28:45,346 --> 01:28:47,110
I know, it's wonderful.
1626
01:28:48,444 --> 01:28:50,290
It's a wonderful feeling to have her here.
1627
01:28:50,290 --> 01:28:51,123
It really is.
1628
01:28:52,370 --> 01:28:54,270
Everything about it, and everything about
1629
01:28:54,270 --> 01:28:55,520
her is a dream come true.
1630
01:30:19,682 --> 01:30:23,434
♪ There are people still in darkness ♪
1631
01:30:23,434 --> 01:30:26,565
♪ And they can't see the
light see the light ♪
1632
01:30:26,565 --> 01:30:31,565
♪ If you don't stay its
wrong that says it's right ♪
1633
01:30:33,234 --> 01:30:36,436
♪ We've got to try to
feel for each other ♪
1634
01:30:36,436 --> 01:30:39,987
♪ Let our brothers know that we care ♪
1635
01:30:39,987 --> 01:30:42,176
♪ Got to get the message ♪
1636
01:30:42,176 --> 01:30:46,236
♪ Send it out loud and
clear, loud and clear ♪
1637
01:30:46,236 --> 01:30:48,283
♪ None of us are free ♪
1638
01:30:48,283 --> 01:30:49,768
♪ None of us are free ♪
1639
01:30:49,768 --> 01:30:51,237
♪ None of us are free ♪
1640
01:30:51,237 --> 01:30:52,848
♪ None of us are free ♪
1641
01:30:52,848 --> 01:30:54,404
♪ None of us are free ♪
1642
01:30:54,404 --> 01:30:56,460
♪ If one of us is chained ♪
1643
01:30:56,460 --> 01:31:00,011
♪ None of us are free ♪
1644
01:31:00,011 --> 01:31:01,691
♪ It's the simple truth ♪
1645
01:31:01,691 --> 01:31:06,691
♪ We all need to just hear and to sing ♪
1646
01:31:06,972 --> 01:31:09,830
♪ None of us are free if
one of us is chained ♪
1647
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:11,720
♪ None of us are free ♪
1648
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:13,899
♪ No no no ♪
1649
01:31:13,899 --> 01:31:18,899
♪ Now I swear this salvation
isn't hard to find ♪
1650
01:31:20,750 --> 01:31:25,750
♪ None of us as can find
it on our own, on our own ♪
1651
01:31:27,269 --> 01:31:30,668
♪ We've got to join together ♪
1652
01:31:30,668 --> 01:31:34,079
♪ In spirit, heart and mind ♪
1653
01:31:34,079 --> 01:31:37,391
♪ So that every soul that's suffering ♪
1654
01:31:37,391 --> 01:31:42,391
♪ Will known they're not alone ♪
1655
01:31:42,991 --> 01:31:44,195
♪ None of us are free ♪
1656
01:31:44,195 --> 01:31:46,542
♪ None of us are free ♪
1657
01:31:46,542 --> 01:31:48,414
♪ None of us are free ♪
1658
01:31:48,414 --> 01:31:49,759
♪ None of us are free ♪
1659
01:31:49,759 --> 01:31:50,742
♪ None of us are free ♪
1660
01:31:50,742 --> 01:31:53,734
♪ None of us are free if
one of us is chained ♪
1661
01:31:53,734 --> 01:31:55,624
♪ None of us are free ♪
1662
01:31:55,624 --> 01:31:57,481
♪ None of us are free ♪
1663
01:31:57,481 --> 01:31:59,452
♪ None of us are free ♪
1664
01:31:59,452 --> 01:32:01,899
♪ None of us are free ♪
1665
01:32:01,899 --> 01:32:04,312
♪ None of us are free ♪
1666
01:32:04,312 --> 01:32:07,039
♪ None of us are free if
one of us is chained ♪
1667
01:32:07,039 --> 01:32:11,298
♪ None of us are free ♪
1668
01:32:11,298 --> 01:32:15,129
♪ If you just look
around you, look around ♪
1669
01:32:15,129 --> 01:32:17,578
♪ You're gonna see what I see ♪
1670
01:32:17,578 --> 01:32:22,498
♪ There's a world that's getting
smaller each passing day ♪
1671
01:32:22,498 --> 01:32:24,402
♪ Passing day ♪
1672
01:32:24,402 --> 01:32:28,588
♪ Now it's time to start
making changes, changes ♪
1673
01:32:28,588 --> 01:32:31,561
♪ And it's time for us all to realize ♪
1674
01:32:31,561 --> 01:32:34,361
♪ That the truth is shining bright ♪
1675
01:32:34,361 --> 01:32:37,669
♪ Right before our eyes, before our eyes ♪
1676
01:32:37,669 --> 01:32:39,471
♪ None of us are free ♪
1677
01:32:39,471 --> 01:32:41,306
♪ None of us are free ♪
1678
01:32:41,306 --> 01:32:42,919
♪ None of us are free ♪
1679
01:32:42,919 --> 01:32:44,545
♪ None of us are free ♪
1680
01:32:44,545 --> 01:32:47,642
♪ None of us are free if
one of us is chained ♪
1681
01:32:47,642 --> 01:32:49,322
♪ None of us are free ♪
1682
01:32:49,322 --> 01:32:51,338
♪ None of us, none of us ♪
1683
01:32:51,338 --> 01:32:53,381
♪ None of us are free ♪
1684
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♪ None of us are free ♪
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♪ None of us are free ♪
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♪ None of us are free if
one of us is chained ♪
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♪ None of us are free ♪
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