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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,230 --> 00:00:13,295 There's a lot of chaos. 2 00:00:13,330 --> 00:00:16,670 He's like, "Get out of here. I own this." 3 00:00:16,705 --> 00:00:19,470 You just grab your head in agony. 4 00:00:19,505 --> 00:00:21,470 It literally felt like fire. 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,110 You okay? 6 00:00:26,850 --> 00:00:28,950 I'm just hearing "knife." 7 00:00:28,985 --> 00:00:30,615 He died instantly. 8 00:00:30,650 --> 00:00:32,680 There's so much commotion here, 9 00:00:32,715 --> 00:00:35,615 it's ridiculous. 10 00:00:35,650 --> 00:00:38,190 This is not a good situation. 11 00:00:38,225 --> 00:00:39,942 My name is Amy Allan. 12 00:00:39,977 --> 00:00:41,625 There's death here. 13 00:00:41,660 --> 00:00:43,390 Don't wanna go down there. 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:44,625 I see dead people. 15 00:00:44,660 --> 00:00:46,760 They hide in the walls and they watch. 16 00:00:46,770 --> 00:00:49,430 I speak to dead people... 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,240 She's definitely a serial killer. 18 00:00:52,275 --> 00:00:54,242 ...and they speak to me. 19 00:00:54,277 --> 00:00:56,175 She's going to torture them. 20 00:00:56,210 --> 00:01:00,010 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 21 00:01:00,045 --> 00:01:01,847 They were all murdered. 22 00:01:01,882 --> 00:01:03,551 I rely on my partner. 23 00:01:03,586 --> 00:01:05,185 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 24 00:01:05,220 --> 00:01:06,985 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 25 00:01:07,020 --> 00:01:09,720 So is this the only time you've been physically attacked? 26 00:01:09,755 --> 00:01:13,255 I know every person, every house has secrets. 27 00:01:13,290 --> 00:01:17,130 There's no question in my mind that he was talking about Satan. 28 00:01:17,165 --> 00:01:18,795 It's my job to reveal them. 29 00:01:18,830 --> 00:01:20,460 Who do you think possessed you? 30 00:01:20,470 --> 00:01:22,595 But Steve and I never speak... 31 00:01:22,630 --> 00:01:24,670 We never communicate during an investigation. 32 00:01:24,705 --> 00:01:25,865 ...until the very end. 33 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:27,505 Well, you're not gonna want to see this. 34 00:01:27,540 --> 00:01:29,610 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 35 00:01:29,645 --> 00:01:31,212 Hell, no. 36 00:01:31,247 --> 00:01:32,745 Or time to get out. 37 00:01:32,780 --> 00:01:34,780 Everyone is in jeopardy. 38 00:01:47,260 --> 00:01:50,890 I'm in Sahuarita, Arizona, about a half-hour south of Tucson. 39 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:52,680 I got a call from a woman named Karen 40 00:01:52,715 --> 00:01:54,460 who just recently moved into a new house. 41 00:01:54,470 --> 00:01:56,655 Now she says all hell has broken loose 42 00:01:56,690 --> 00:01:58,805 and it's ripping her marriage apart. 43 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,540 But this is what has got her most worried -- 44 00:02:01,575 --> 00:02:03,575 Her daughter is supposed to move in 45 00:02:03,610 --> 00:02:06,175 with her two grandkids soon, and she's worried 46 00:02:06,210 --> 00:02:07,710 they're going to be stepping into a paranormal war zone. 47 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,320 Before Amy arrives, I clear the house 48 00:02:14,355 --> 00:02:17,150 of any leading information -- 49 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,755 photographs, personal items. 50 00:02:20,790 --> 00:02:24,030 Even medical equipment can influence her findings, 51 00:02:24,065 --> 00:02:27,865 so it's important I cover or remove them all. 52 00:02:27,900 --> 00:02:31,130 When I'm done, the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 53 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,490 This place is really, really bad. 54 00:02:48,525 --> 00:02:50,450 There's quite a lot going on. 55 00:02:50,460 --> 00:02:55,330 There's a lot of chaos, a lot of chaos. 56 00:02:55,365 --> 00:02:57,425 It's never quiet. 57 00:02:57,460 --> 00:02:59,600 I can understand why nobody would sleep here. 58 00:03:01,470 --> 00:03:05,240 There's so much commotion here, it's ridiculous. 59 00:03:14,810 --> 00:03:17,650 So, Karen, when we spoke on the phone, you sounded upset. 60 00:03:17,685 --> 00:03:19,385 What's going on? 61 00:03:19,420 --> 00:03:21,820 We bought this house about a year and a half ago. 62 00:03:21,855 --> 00:03:24,385 This is our retirement home. 63 00:03:24,420 --> 00:03:27,060 It was supposed to be the forever home... 64 00:03:29,930 --> 00:03:31,865 But it's not. 65 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:35,670 So your retirement home is basically a war zone. 66 00:03:35,705 --> 00:03:37,465 It is right now. 67 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:38,665 You also mentioned on the phone 68 00:03:38,700 --> 00:03:40,200 that you were concerned about your husband. 69 00:03:40,210 --> 00:03:42,210 Yeah. His name is Don. 70 00:03:42,245 --> 00:03:43,370 Okay. 71 00:03:43,380 --> 00:03:46,165 And about 6 years ago, he had a stroke. 72 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,915 His moods changes are getting worse. 73 00:03:48,950 --> 00:03:51,110 Little tiny things will just make him blow up. 74 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,115 I call him a human volcano. 75 00:03:53,150 --> 00:03:55,490 So it's just you and Don that live here. 76 00:03:55,525 --> 00:03:56,655 Right now, yeah. 77 00:03:56,690 --> 00:03:59,325 In about 5 weeks, my youngest daughter 78 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,960 and two of my grandchildren are moving in. 79 00:04:01,995 --> 00:04:03,330 And how old are her kids? 80 00:04:03,365 --> 00:04:05,965 4 and almost 9. 81 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,930 So, Karen, you've got to be concerned about 82 00:04:07,965 --> 00:04:09,635 a 4 and an 8-year-old moving in here. 83 00:04:09,670 --> 00:04:12,920 Very concerned. I'll do whatever you guys say. 84 00:04:12,955 --> 00:04:16,997 What exactly are you guys experiencing here? 85 00:04:17,032 --> 00:04:21,040 There's everything from noises and shadows 86 00:04:21,050 --> 00:04:24,685 to physical touching, scratching. 87 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,320 It's also affecting my health. 88 00:04:28,355 --> 00:04:30,390 Okay. So what's going on? 89 00:04:30,425 --> 00:04:31,385 Headaches. 90 00:04:31,420 --> 00:04:34,720 It feels like hot prod to the point 91 00:04:34,730 --> 00:04:37,930 where you just grab your head in agony. 92 00:04:37,965 --> 00:04:41,965 I don't sleep. I'm up all night. 93 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,530 You know, what are you hoping we can do for you guys? 94 00:04:44,540 --> 00:04:47,400 I'm hoping that we can get a happy home 95 00:04:47,410 --> 00:04:49,975 for my daughter and granddaughters, 96 00:04:50,010 --> 00:04:52,940 and I'm concerned with Don being here all the time, 97 00:04:52,975 --> 00:04:55,412 so I want it to be a good home. 98 00:04:55,447 --> 00:04:57,815 You're not asking for a lot. 99 00:04:57,850 --> 00:05:00,920 I don't think I could deal with it if anything happened 100 00:05:00,955 --> 00:05:03,820 to the girls or the grandchildren. 101 00:05:03,855 --> 00:05:06,360 I couldn't handle it. 102 00:05:11,260 --> 00:05:13,660 I do feel sick. 103 00:05:21,110 --> 00:05:23,275 I'm just getting, like, horrible nausea, 104 00:05:23,310 --> 00:05:26,440 so somebody is dealing with that, a living person. 105 00:05:26,450 --> 00:05:28,045 Headaches, 106 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,210 you know, with the insomnia. 107 00:05:34,450 --> 00:05:36,650 There is this guy here 108 00:05:36,660 --> 00:05:40,320 who is dressed like a priest, 109 00:05:40,330 --> 00:05:42,965 but I think he's lying about being a priest. 110 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,600 I think he's lying about what he looks like. 111 00:05:45,635 --> 00:05:47,560 He could be a demon. 112 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,555 The nausea, the headaches, the not sleeping 113 00:05:53,590 --> 00:05:57,110 is a way that this thing breaks people down 114 00:05:57,145 --> 00:05:59,410 so that it can get them. 115 00:06:06,850 --> 00:06:08,835 So what's going on in this room? 116 00:06:08,870 --> 00:06:10,785 I was sitting in my recliner. 117 00:06:10,820 --> 00:06:13,820 My leg started burning, and I looked down, 118 00:06:13,830 --> 00:06:16,590 and I had scratches. 119 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,700 How bad of a scratch was it? 120 00:06:18,735 --> 00:06:21,082 - It raised the skin. - Okay. 121 00:06:21,117 --> 00:06:23,430 And the worst part was the burn. 122 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:24,900 Now you told me you have cats. 123 00:06:24,935 --> 00:06:26,065 Could it have been the cats? 124 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:27,635 No, 'cause they were in their bedroom. 125 00:06:27,670 --> 00:06:29,770 Okay, so there was no animals in here? No. 126 00:06:29,780 --> 00:06:31,480 Okay, have you ever been physically touched 127 00:06:31,515 --> 00:06:33,180 like that anyplace else or before? Yes. 128 00:06:33,215 --> 00:06:35,475 - Right in the hallway... - Okay. 129 00:06:35,510 --> 00:06:38,920 ...I was sweeping, and I had my arm grabbed. 130 00:06:38,955 --> 00:06:40,820 Okay, describe to me how it felt. 131 00:06:40,855 --> 00:06:42,915 Okay. Like that. 132 00:06:42,950 --> 00:06:44,155 - That hard? - That hard. 133 00:06:44,190 --> 00:06:47,420 Now have you had muscle spasms before? No. 134 00:06:47,430 --> 00:06:48,860 All right, is there anything else? 135 00:06:48,895 --> 00:06:50,895 Yeah. Shadows. 136 00:06:50,930 --> 00:06:52,465 I see a lot of shadows, 137 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:56,665 and there's this almost constant parade at times. 138 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:59,700 All right, so do these shadows have any shape, like a human? 139 00:06:59,735 --> 00:07:01,400 I don't really see them as a shape. 140 00:07:01,410 --> 00:07:04,870 It's more of a mist or a mass. 141 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,380 Now how often are you seeing them? 142 00:07:06,415 --> 00:07:07,680 Almost daily. 143 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:15,420 People see a lot of... outside here. 144 00:07:15,455 --> 00:07:18,150 There is a path, 145 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,520 and then I got a line of, like, 146 00:07:20,530 --> 00:07:22,730 shadow people lining up. 147 00:07:24,730 --> 00:07:26,595 Yeah, they're all in line, 148 00:07:26,630 --> 00:07:29,265 one behind the other, single file. 149 00:07:29,300 --> 00:07:31,570 But they're not shadow people. They're dead people. 150 00:07:34,410 --> 00:07:36,910 Is there any connection between this priest guy 151 00:07:36,945 --> 00:07:40,127 and these people that are lined up and walking? 152 00:07:40,162 --> 00:07:43,310 I don't really know, but I think these dead people, 153 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,015 the living see them. 154 00:07:45,050 --> 00:07:47,150 I think they just, like, see them, like, 155 00:07:47,185 --> 00:07:48,615 corner of their eye. 156 00:07:48,650 --> 00:07:51,220 They're somewhere in the house. 157 00:07:51,255 --> 00:07:54,120 It's very stressful. 158 00:07:54,130 --> 00:07:57,090 Stress. Stress. 159 00:07:57,100 --> 00:07:58,560 Stress. 160 00:08:05,340 --> 00:08:07,200 All right, so what's going on down here? 161 00:08:07,210 --> 00:08:10,160 As I get into bed and I'm just settling in, 162 00:08:10,195 --> 00:08:13,075 I felt somebody crawl over the top of me. 163 00:08:13,110 --> 00:08:17,065 I'm in full prayer mode, and it just went away. 164 00:08:17,100 --> 00:08:21,020 Any of the animals stay in bed with you guys? 165 00:08:21,055 --> 00:08:23,285 No. No. The dogs have kennels... 166 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,660 Okay. ...that are over on the far side of the room. 167 00:08:25,695 --> 00:08:28,355 Okay. 168 00:08:28,390 --> 00:08:30,330 All right. so anything else? 169 00:08:30,365 --> 00:08:31,395 Well, yes. 170 00:08:31,430 --> 00:08:33,650 A couple nights ago, when I laid down, 171 00:08:33,685 --> 00:08:36,362 I could feel something sit next to me, 172 00:08:36,397 --> 00:08:39,005 pulling the blankets tight around my legs. 173 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,240 Okay, can you show me how hard the pressure was? 174 00:08:41,275 --> 00:08:43,405 It was just like this. 175 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,980 Okay, so as if a normal person was sitting down on the bed. 176 00:08:46,015 --> 00:08:47,540 Right. 177 00:08:47,550 --> 00:08:50,650 I'm trying to figure out what else it could be. 178 00:08:50,685 --> 00:08:52,745 I'm at a loss right now. 179 00:08:52,780 --> 00:08:55,335 I don't know why they're grabbing me. 180 00:08:55,370 --> 00:08:57,665 And why would they crawl over me? 181 00:08:57,700 --> 00:08:59,960 I just know that I want them gone. 182 00:09:04,410 --> 00:09:07,560 Yeah. 183 00:09:07,570 --> 00:09:11,655 I'm seeing, like, vomiting, crying, punching. 184 00:09:11,690 --> 00:09:15,740 And, I mean, I think this is happening now 185 00:09:15,775 --> 00:09:18,070 with a living person here. 186 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,640 They're vulnerable to, priest man. 187 00:09:23,950 --> 00:09:26,215 The priest comes 188 00:09:26,250 --> 00:09:31,555 and becomes as thin as the blanket, 189 00:09:31,590 --> 00:09:34,720 and then it's melding into the person's body. 190 00:09:37,700 --> 00:09:40,800 So what is this thing doing to this person when it does this? 191 00:09:40,835 --> 00:09:43,800 It goes inside of their body. 192 00:09:43,835 --> 00:09:45,130 Like, all the way in, 193 00:09:45,140 --> 00:09:49,360 into all of the bones and the muscles and the tissues. 194 00:09:49,395 --> 00:09:53,580 I see it, like, affecting the physiology of the person. 195 00:09:53,615 --> 00:09:55,080 What does it want from this person? 196 00:09:55,115 --> 00:09:56,280 Death. 197 00:10:16,870 --> 00:10:19,400 So, Don, I was talking to your wife Karen, 198 00:10:19,435 --> 00:10:20,735 and she's concerned about 199 00:10:20,770 --> 00:10:22,510 her daughter coming to live with the kids. 200 00:10:22,545 --> 00:10:24,070 Yeah. I'm concerned, too. 201 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,010 I mean, I don't want them in here 202 00:10:26,045 --> 00:10:27,640 if it's not safe for them. 203 00:10:27,650 --> 00:10:29,210 Now as far as your own experiences, 204 00:10:29,245 --> 00:10:30,510 can you tell me about any? 205 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,700 Yeah. I see shadow figures all the time. 206 00:10:32,735 --> 00:10:34,880 Karen mentioned the same thing to me. 207 00:10:34,890 --> 00:10:36,890 Okay, so how often are you seeing these shadows? 208 00:10:36,925 --> 00:10:38,655 Daily basis. 209 00:10:38,690 --> 00:10:40,040 All right, Don, anything else? 210 00:10:40,075 --> 00:10:41,390 Yeah, in the downstairs bathroom, 211 00:10:41,425 --> 00:10:43,425 I would get pushed 212 00:10:43,460 --> 00:10:45,800 almost every time I took a shower. 213 00:10:45,835 --> 00:10:47,160 I know you had a stroke. 214 00:10:47,170 --> 00:10:48,770 Could it be a side effect from some of the medications 215 00:10:48,805 --> 00:10:49,935 you're taking? No. 216 00:10:49,970 --> 00:10:53,740 I'm down to only blood pressure medications now. 217 00:10:53,775 --> 00:10:55,370 All right, Don, anything else? 218 00:10:55,405 --> 00:10:56,675 I was downstairs, 219 00:10:56,710 --> 00:10:59,430 and I heard Karen crying uncontrollably upstairs, 220 00:10:59,465 --> 00:11:02,150 so I'm running upstairs to see what was wrong. 221 00:11:02,185 --> 00:11:04,315 And when I got there, she was just fine 222 00:11:04,350 --> 00:11:07,820 and said that she hadn't been crying, that she was quiet. 223 00:11:07,855 --> 00:11:09,890 All right. What about a TV or a radio being on? 224 00:11:09,925 --> 00:11:11,255 No. It wasn't on. 225 00:11:11,290 --> 00:11:13,055 Okay, mow did you ever hear that again? 226 00:11:13,090 --> 00:11:16,090 Yeah. It actually happened the other way around after that. 227 00:11:16,125 --> 00:11:17,690 - She heard you? - Yes. 228 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:20,100 Karen said that she heard me screaming 229 00:11:20,135 --> 00:11:21,765 like something was really wrong, 230 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,030 that I was pissed off about something. 231 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,570 Okay. You sure you weren't going crazy and having a fit? 232 00:11:26,605 --> 00:11:28,400 No. I was folding laundry. 233 00:11:28,410 --> 00:11:30,210 All right, this is... That's a little strange. 234 00:11:30,245 --> 00:11:32,780 - Yeah. - Okay. 235 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,780 The priest, who now is claiming to be a demon, 236 00:11:41,790 --> 00:11:44,055 I think he can jump people. 237 00:11:44,090 --> 00:11:45,720 Like, the word, the possession word, 238 00:11:45,755 --> 00:11:48,655 is being thrown around a lot. 239 00:11:49,578 --> 00:11:54,688 Living people see, like, this pretty thick, black mist, 240 00:11:54,723 --> 00:11:56,523 and it's pretty tall. 241 00:11:56,558 --> 00:11:58,243 That's how he melds with people. 242 00:11:58,278 --> 00:11:59,893 Like, that's why he's in that form, 243 00:11:59,928 --> 00:12:02,878 so he can meld easily with people's bodies. 244 00:12:02,913 --> 00:12:05,870 The way that, that would affect the living, 245 00:12:05,905 --> 00:12:08,828 I'm seeing, you know, them acting crazy. 246 00:12:10,568 --> 00:12:11,903 And they wouldn't remember. 247 00:12:11,938 --> 00:12:15,108 Say they're eating, and then all of a sudden, 248 00:12:15,143 --> 00:12:17,875 somebody jumps up from the kitchen table 249 00:12:17,910 --> 00:12:20,479 and is like, "I'm gonna... kill everyone!" 250 00:12:20,514 --> 00:12:23,048 That's this thing, like, jumping them. 251 00:12:23,083 --> 00:12:25,883 It speaks through the living. 252 00:12:25,918 --> 00:12:28,088 So, Don, talking to Karen, she also mentioned to me 253 00:12:28,123 --> 00:12:30,358 that you're having mood swings. 254 00:12:30,393 --> 00:12:31,718 Your attitude has changed. 255 00:12:31,728 --> 00:12:34,988 What's the story there? 256 00:12:34,998 --> 00:12:36,593 I will, all of a sudden, 257 00:12:36,628 --> 00:12:38,858 get really frustrated or get really mad, 258 00:12:38,868 --> 00:12:41,828 and I don't know why I feel like that. 259 00:12:41,838 --> 00:12:43,933 It just hits me, and I just... 260 00:12:43,968 --> 00:12:47,868 I'll get really mad and frustrated out of the blue. 261 00:12:47,878 --> 00:12:50,473 Are you afraid you might get physical? 262 00:12:50,508 --> 00:12:53,713 I'm just afraid that, yeah, I'm gonna yell or scream 263 00:12:53,748 --> 00:12:56,918 or say something that's really going to hurt somebody, 264 00:12:56,953 --> 00:12:59,413 and I don't mean it. Okay. 265 00:12:59,448 --> 00:13:01,848 I mean, do you think Karen's afraid of you when this happens? 266 00:13:01,858 --> 00:13:04,418 Well, she will tell me sometimes, "You're yelling." 267 00:13:04,428 --> 00:13:06,258 And it's, "I'm not trying to yell. 268 00:13:06,293 --> 00:13:08,088 I'm just trying to talk to you." 269 00:13:08,098 --> 00:13:10,758 I want to do whatever it takes to protect our family. 270 00:13:10,793 --> 00:13:12,380 - Okay. - You know, this is something 271 00:13:12,415 --> 00:13:13,968 that I just can't fight on my own. 272 00:13:14,003 --> 00:13:15,833 Okay. 273 00:13:15,868 --> 00:13:19,568 This priest-demon thing... 274 00:13:20,738 --> 00:13:26,173 ...will go after the weak and vulnerable. 275 00:13:26,208 --> 00:13:31,278 I think he's trying to do that with somebody at this location. 276 00:13:31,288 --> 00:13:36,118 There's something about this place that attracts bad things. 277 00:13:43,028 --> 00:13:44,698 Karen told me her daughter Valerie plans 278 00:13:44,733 --> 00:13:46,063 on moving into the house with her kids. 279 00:13:46,098 --> 00:13:48,868 Now she's not in state, so I'm reaching out to her 280 00:13:48,903 --> 00:13:51,603 on video chat to see if she's had any experiences. 281 00:13:51,638 --> 00:13:54,568 So, Val, I got to tell you, I've been talking to your parents, 282 00:13:54,578 --> 00:13:56,268 and I'm not sure it's such a good idea 283 00:13:56,278 --> 00:13:58,438 for you to move in here with the kids. 284 00:13:58,448 --> 00:13:59,843 I mean, how you feel about that? 285 00:13:59,878 --> 00:14:02,608 It is very concerning. My mom is allowing us 286 00:14:02,618 --> 00:14:04,878 to come in and get back on our feet 287 00:14:04,888 --> 00:14:08,448 after a divorce and try to reestablish ourselves. 288 00:14:08,458 --> 00:14:10,323 But if things can't get figured out, 289 00:14:10,358 --> 00:14:13,058 I may have to find a different living situation. 290 00:14:13,093 --> 00:14:16,963 So have you visited the house here in Arizona? 291 00:14:16,998 --> 00:14:19,628 Yes, actually. I have been there multiple times. 292 00:14:19,663 --> 00:14:22,733 When you were here, did you have any experiences? 293 00:14:22,768 --> 00:14:26,668 Yeah. I've experienced a shadow a couple of times. 294 00:14:26,703 --> 00:14:28,808 Okay. It seems everybody's seen shadows here. 295 00:14:28,843 --> 00:14:30,243 How did you experience it? 296 00:14:30,278 --> 00:14:32,908 I was sitting on the love seat in the living room, 297 00:14:32,943 --> 00:14:35,513 and off to my right-hand side, 298 00:14:35,548 --> 00:14:38,548 there was a shadow that would walk in front of it 299 00:14:38,583 --> 00:14:41,288 and block the reflection. 300 00:14:41,323 --> 00:14:42,783 All right. Anything else? 301 00:14:42,818 --> 00:14:45,118 I've had feelings of being watched. 302 00:14:45,128 --> 00:14:47,128 Now was that in anyplace specific in the house? 303 00:14:47,163 --> 00:14:50,063 Mainly downstairs. 304 00:14:50,098 --> 00:14:52,913 It just felt like somebody was in the room watching me. 305 00:14:52,948 --> 00:14:55,728 I would feel like I was going to have a panic attack. 306 00:14:55,738 --> 00:14:57,903 You got to be concerned about yourself 307 00:14:57,938 --> 00:15:00,133 and the kids at this point, if they do come here. 308 00:15:00,168 --> 00:15:04,008 I'm afraid that, with the children being so young, 309 00:15:04,043 --> 00:15:07,848 that they may be vulnerable to attacks on themself. 310 00:15:10,378 --> 00:15:13,548 My feeling, at this point, 311 00:15:13,583 --> 00:15:16,718 about the priest/demon thing 312 00:15:16,753 --> 00:15:19,993 is that it was a human. 313 00:15:20,028 --> 00:15:22,813 And this person was religious. 314 00:15:22,848 --> 00:15:25,563 And I don't think they look like 315 00:15:25,598 --> 00:15:29,768 how they presented themselves to me at any time. 316 00:15:29,803 --> 00:15:33,098 This priest-demon guy is going nuts. 317 00:15:34,338 --> 00:15:36,838 He's like, "Get out of here. I own this." 318 00:15:36,873 --> 00:15:38,773 Like, "Get the...out of here, 319 00:15:38,808 --> 00:15:40,578 or I'm gonna, like, kill everybody." 320 00:15:54,828 --> 00:15:57,328 So I made my usual calls when I got into town, 321 00:15:57,363 --> 00:15:59,058 and a local journalist just called back 322 00:15:59,068 --> 00:16:01,953 and said he's got something that's going to help me out. 323 00:16:01,988 --> 00:16:04,838 Apparently, a hotel owner got lost wandering in the desert 324 00:16:04,873 --> 00:16:07,908 and ended up dying right on Karen and Don's property. 325 00:16:15,348 --> 00:16:17,783 So, David, do me a favor. Set the scene for me. 326 00:16:17,818 --> 00:16:20,218 When this guy wandered onto my clients' property, 327 00:16:20,253 --> 00:16:22,953 when was this, and who owned the property? 328 00:16:22,988 --> 00:16:25,158 Well, your clients' property was part of a ranch owned 329 00:16:25,193 --> 00:16:27,453 by a man named James Kilroy Brown. 330 00:16:27,488 --> 00:16:31,428 Brown had purchased the property in 1877 331 00:16:31,463 --> 00:16:34,068 and named it the Sahuarito Ranch. 332 00:16:34,103 --> 00:16:35,263 All right. 333 00:16:35,298 --> 00:16:37,583 Over time, the ranch grew to about 4,000 acres. 334 00:16:37,618 --> 00:16:39,868 All right, so now this guy has got 4,000 acres. 335 00:16:39,903 --> 00:16:41,003 But what's he do with it? 336 00:16:41,038 --> 00:16:43,603 Well, Brown fully utilized his 4,000 acres 337 00:16:43,638 --> 00:16:47,243 as a cattle ranch as well as, also, a stage stop. 338 00:16:47,278 --> 00:16:49,998 All right. So what can you tell me about the guy that got lost? 339 00:16:50,033 --> 00:16:52,718 Well, the gentleman that got lost, his name was James Dixon. 340 00:16:52,753 --> 00:16:55,553 He was a hotel owner in Tucson. 341 00:16:55,588 --> 00:16:58,118 He invested in mines in southern Arizona. 342 00:16:58,128 --> 00:17:02,793 On May 1, 1887, he decided to take a wagon and a horse 343 00:17:02,828 --> 00:17:05,798 and head down towards his mines to see how they were doing. 344 00:17:05,833 --> 00:17:08,768 And on the way down there, he stops at the Sahuarito Ranch, 345 00:17:08,803 --> 00:17:11,385 just to water his horse for a little bit, 346 00:17:11,420 --> 00:17:13,968 and then decides to continue on going south. 347 00:17:14,003 --> 00:17:16,073 At that point, he ends up getting lost. 348 00:17:16,108 --> 00:17:18,058 And if you look out here, this is not a place 349 00:17:18,093 --> 00:17:20,008 you want to get lost in the middle of summer. 350 00:17:20,043 --> 00:17:21,608 It's deadly. 351 00:17:21,618 --> 00:17:24,278 Well, eventually, Brown gets wind of this 352 00:17:24,313 --> 00:17:25,413 and gathered together 353 00:17:25,448 --> 00:17:26,988 a bunch of the ranchers in the area, 354 00:17:27,023 --> 00:17:28,720 and they formed a search party. 355 00:17:28,755 --> 00:17:30,418 It actually made the local paper. 356 00:17:33,428 --> 00:17:35,288 Brown basically did the right thing. 357 00:17:35,298 --> 00:17:36,923 He didn't have to look for this guy. 358 00:17:36,958 --> 00:17:39,968 And they searched for days and days, and eventually, 359 00:17:40,003 --> 00:17:44,438 they find Dixon lying under a tree, half-naked. 360 00:17:44,473 --> 00:17:45,703 Now why would he do that? 361 00:17:45,738 --> 00:17:48,638 I think he went plumb crazy wandering the desert. 362 00:17:48,673 --> 00:17:49,803 What did they do with him? 363 00:17:49,838 --> 00:17:52,073 Well, Brown takes him back to the ranch, 364 00:17:52,108 --> 00:17:56,108 and Dixon dies on your clients' property that night. 365 00:17:56,118 --> 00:17:58,083 Here's an article about that. 366 00:17:58,118 --> 00:18:01,648 Sadly, Dixon was only 47 years old, 367 00:18:01,658 --> 00:18:04,188 and he had a wife and two daughters he left behind. 368 00:18:04,223 --> 00:18:06,588 - That's a shame. - Yeah. 369 00:18:09,428 --> 00:18:10,863 I'm seeing a church. 370 00:18:10,898 --> 00:18:13,968 I think it belongs to the priest-demon guy. 371 00:18:14,003 --> 00:18:17,038 In the pews were all of these dead people. 372 00:18:17,073 --> 00:18:19,933 They're freaked out, 373 00:18:19,968 --> 00:18:22,973 and they're trapped in this space by the priest. 374 00:18:23,008 --> 00:18:25,978 But he ain't no priest. He ain't no Catholic. 375 00:18:26,013 --> 00:18:29,208 He is a fake, false prophet. 376 00:18:30,918 --> 00:18:32,583 He'll kill 'em off 377 00:18:32,618 --> 00:18:35,848 and put 'em into one of the pews. 378 00:18:40,728 --> 00:18:43,628 So far, I've got a couple being tormented on a property 379 00:18:43,663 --> 00:18:45,563 where a lost traveler died, 380 00:18:45,598 --> 00:18:48,933 but I want to see if there's anything else. 381 00:18:48,968 --> 00:18:51,368 Searching through old records, I come across an article 382 00:18:51,403 --> 00:18:52,903 about a homeless Mexican man 383 00:18:52,938 --> 00:18:55,673 who was brutally murdered back in 1893. 384 00:18:55,708 --> 00:18:58,393 It turns out the homicide took place 385 00:18:58,428 --> 00:19:01,043 right next to Karen and Don's property. 386 00:19:01,078 --> 00:19:03,678 I asked a local sergeant to look into this murder for me, 387 00:19:03,713 --> 00:19:05,983 and he stumbled onto a second homicide. 388 00:19:06,018 --> 00:19:08,548 It's a small town, so I'm actually kind of surprised, 389 00:19:08,558 --> 00:19:11,418 but hopefully, one of these will help my case. 390 00:19:18,358 --> 00:19:19,913 So, Mike, thanks for meeting with me. 391 00:19:19,948 --> 00:19:21,468 The homicide I found, what were you able 392 00:19:21,503 --> 00:19:22,898 to find out about the victim? 393 00:19:22,933 --> 00:19:24,303 We don't know a lot. 394 00:19:24,338 --> 00:19:25,798 We know that he's homeless and his name is Pancho Mendozo. 395 00:19:25,808 --> 00:19:27,338 How's he wind up getting murdered? 396 00:19:27,373 --> 00:19:29,273 On October 13, 1893, 397 00:19:29,308 --> 00:19:33,708 he was passing by the James Kilroy Brown Ranch, 398 00:19:33,743 --> 00:19:36,113 which is now your clients' property, 399 00:19:36,148 --> 00:19:38,533 and I guess he got tired and he got hot, and he decided 400 00:19:38,568 --> 00:19:40,918 he was going to lay down underneath a mesquite tree 401 00:19:40,953 --> 00:19:42,548 and take a nap. 402 00:19:42,558 --> 00:19:44,258 While he's doing that, he's not aware that he's being followed, 403 00:19:44,293 --> 00:19:46,358 but what happens is, is that the murderer came up 404 00:19:46,393 --> 00:19:47,940 and caught him while he was asleep 405 00:19:47,975 --> 00:19:49,488 and stabbed him once in the throat 406 00:19:49,498 --> 00:19:51,558 and once in the right side of the abdomen. 407 00:19:51,593 --> 00:19:53,558 He had died instantly. 408 00:19:53,568 --> 00:19:54,733 They ever make an arrest? 409 00:19:54,768 --> 00:19:56,568 The sheriff did make an arrest. 410 00:19:56,603 --> 00:19:58,333 Did he get indicted, convicted? 411 00:19:58,368 --> 00:20:01,233 No, there was no indictment. They weren't convicted. 412 00:20:01,268 --> 00:20:03,953 There was -- The grand jury could not agree on the charges. 413 00:20:03,988 --> 00:20:06,638 All right, so it's 1893. You got a homeless Mexican guy. 414 00:20:06,648 --> 00:20:08,243 What did they do with the body? 415 00:20:08,278 --> 00:20:09,513 At that time, he didn't have any money, 416 00:20:09,548 --> 00:20:11,243 and he had no family, nobody to claim the body, 417 00:20:11,278 --> 00:20:14,088 so they buried him very close to exactly where he was killed, 418 00:20:14,123 --> 00:20:15,588 right near your clients' property. 419 00:20:15,623 --> 00:20:16,783 - You're kidding me. - No. 420 00:20:16,818 --> 00:20:18,388 That's just the way they did it back then. 421 00:20:21,128 --> 00:20:23,588 There's this older drunk guy 422 00:20:23,598 --> 00:20:28,068 who looks like he was, back in the day, from Mexico. 423 00:20:29,368 --> 00:20:30,803 I feel sick. 424 00:20:30,838 --> 00:20:33,423 And I'm feeling, like...pain, 425 00:20:33,458 --> 00:20:36,218 lots of pain all through here. 426 00:20:36,253 --> 00:20:38,765 I'm hearing all these noises. 427 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,278 I was outside, and then "knife." 428 00:20:41,313 --> 00:20:43,913 I'm just hearing "knife." 429 00:20:43,948 --> 00:20:46,848 I don't know what that is. And I hear, "Back away." 430 00:20:46,883 --> 00:20:49,748 All right, so, Mike, you mentioned on the phone 431 00:20:49,758 --> 00:20:51,808 there was a second homicide you found. Correct. 432 00:20:51,843 --> 00:20:53,858 Okay, so what can you tell me about the victim? 433 00:20:53,893 --> 00:20:56,728 The victim's name is Glendell Soape. 434 00:20:56,763 --> 00:20:58,223 He's 25 years old. 435 00:20:58,258 --> 00:20:59,558 He's married and has three kids, 436 00:20:59,568 --> 00:21:01,033 and he's from Scottsdale, Arizona. 437 00:21:01,068 --> 00:21:03,128 All right, so I assume he's down here on business. 438 00:21:03,138 --> 00:21:06,533 Well, actually, on May 23, 1963, 439 00:21:06,568 --> 00:21:09,608 he went down to a predominantly black bar 440 00:21:09,643 --> 00:21:11,903 looking for a prostitute, 441 00:21:11,938 --> 00:21:14,178 and goes up to a perfect stranger, 442 00:21:14,213 --> 00:21:16,243 whose name is Leo Davis, 443 00:21:16,278 --> 00:21:19,218 and asked him if he can hook him up with a black girl. 444 00:21:19,253 --> 00:21:20,818 - And does he get hooked up? - He did so. 445 00:21:20,853 --> 00:21:22,348 He went and found one for him, 446 00:21:22,358 --> 00:21:25,408 and they went and had sex outside of the bar. 447 00:21:25,443 --> 00:21:28,423 - Does the pros set him up? - No, not at all. 448 00:21:28,458 --> 00:21:31,728 After they were done having sex, he decides, all of a sudden, 449 00:21:31,763 --> 00:21:35,630 that he wants to go to Mexico and get cheap liquor. 450 00:21:35,665 --> 00:21:39,498 So he jumps in the car with his new friend, Leo Davis, 451 00:21:39,508 --> 00:21:41,973 and another guy and the prostitute, 452 00:21:42,008 --> 00:21:44,643 and they all head down the road for Mexico. 453 00:21:44,678 --> 00:21:47,278 Well, about a mile from your clients' property, 454 00:21:47,313 --> 00:21:50,595 they pull off the side of the road. 455 00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:53,878 So Davis slugs Mr. Soape in the head, 456 00:21:53,888 --> 00:21:55,083 and then they both grabbed him, 457 00:21:55,118 --> 00:21:56,888 pulled him out of the car, killed him, 458 00:21:56,923 --> 00:21:59,153 and take his watch and $600. 459 00:21:59,188 --> 00:22:02,488 And I have his certificate of death right here. 460 00:22:02,498 --> 00:22:05,658 Cause of death was listed as a broken neck. 461 00:22:05,668 --> 00:22:06,958 So did this guy Davis 462 00:22:06,968 --> 00:22:08,528 or anybody else get arrested for this? 463 00:22:08,563 --> 00:22:09,828 Yes. They did. 464 00:22:09,838 --> 00:22:11,638 A couple months later, the prostitute gave up both men. 465 00:22:11,673 --> 00:22:14,273 Here's the article. 466 00:22:14,308 --> 00:22:15,858 They were convicted, and both of them 467 00:22:15,893 --> 00:22:17,408 were sentenced to life in prison. 468 00:22:20,948 --> 00:22:24,718 When I walked out here, I was seeing, like, 469 00:22:24,753 --> 00:22:25,983 a guy, 470 00:22:26,018 --> 00:22:28,253 and I was seeing, like, 471 00:22:28,288 --> 00:22:30,583 him feeling like he was burning. 472 00:22:30,618 --> 00:22:35,058 Like, it literally felt like fire, like, on the inside. 473 00:22:35,093 --> 00:22:37,323 All of a sudden, he's like, "...!" 474 00:22:37,358 --> 00:22:40,558 Like, somebody's, like, kicking him in the shins, 475 00:22:40,568 --> 00:22:43,468 and then he's feeling hit in the back here. 476 00:22:43,503 --> 00:22:45,063 You know what I mean? 477 00:22:45,098 --> 00:22:47,468 And then he's on the ground. 478 00:22:47,503 --> 00:22:49,008 Very scary. 479 00:23:14,988 --> 00:23:16,653 Look, it's Arizona, so obviously, 480 00:23:16,688 --> 00:23:19,173 there's gonna be a lot of Native American history. 481 00:23:19,208 --> 00:23:21,623 But I just got off the phone with local historian 482 00:23:21,658 --> 00:23:24,998 who says a tribe that lived where Don and Karen's house sits 483 00:23:25,033 --> 00:23:28,163 was involved in a horrific massacre. 484 00:23:28,198 --> 00:23:31,198 I'm driving over now to find out exactly what happened. 485 00:23:37,838 --> 00:23:39,508 So, Bridgette, before we get to the massacre 486 00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:40,943 you told me about on the phone, 487 00:23:40,978 --> 00:23:42,408 what can you tell me about the tribe that lived 488 00:23:42,418 --> 00:23:43,713 on my clients' property? 489 00:23:43,748 --> 00:23:45,383 The tribe was called the Tohono O'odham, 490 00:23:45,418 --> 00:23:47,918 and they've been in this area for hundreds of years. 491 00:23:47,953 --> 00:23:49,948 Here's a picture that we have of them. 492 00:23:49,958 --> 00:23:51,483 And they actually are still around. 493 00:23:51,518 --> 00:23:54,588 They have a large reservation just west of here. 494 00:23:54,623 --> 00:23:57,028 So this big massacre, who was involved? 495 00:23:57,063 --> 00:23:58,323 The massacre was between 496 00:23:58,358 --> 00:24:00,358 the Tohono O'odham and the Apache. 497 00:24:00,368 --> 00:24:01,933 Okay. So now what was the beef? 498 00:24:01,968 --> 00:24:05,968 Well, the Apache would come to the Tohono O'odham settlements, 499 00:24:06,003 --> 00:24:08,103 and they would raid and they would steal, 500 00:24:08,138 --> 00:24:10,768 and they would often kill a lot of the Tohono O'odham people. 501 00:24:10,778 --> 00:24:11,973 Now did any of these attacks 502 00:24:12,008 --> 00:24:14,073 by the Apache happen on my clients' property? 503 00:24:14,108 --> 00:24:16,348 We don't have any record of them actually happening 504 00:24:16,383 --> 00:24:17,883 on your clients' property, 505 00:24:17,918 --> 00:24:19,478 but we're sure they happened nearby. 506 00:24:19,488 --> 00:24:21,648 So, Bridgette, tell me about the massacre. 507 00:24:21,683 --> 00:24:24,218 It started in the spring of 1871. 508 00:24:24,253 --> 00:24:25,383 The Apaches surrendered 509 00:24:25,418 --> 00:24:27,923 to the American government at Camp Grant, 510 00:24:27,958 --> 00:24:30,393 and these are some pictures of Camp Grant. 511 00:24:30,428 --> 00:24:34,098 It's about 60 miles north from your clients' property. 512 00:24:34,133 --> 00:24:36,068 Okay, so it's north up here. 513 00:24:36,103 --> 00:24:37,428 Okay. So what happened? 514 00:24:37,438 --> 00:24:40,098 The Tohono O'odham saw an opportunity to attack, 515 00:24:40,108 --> 00:24:41,908 so they traveled 2 days. - Okay. 516 00:24:41,943 --> 00:24:43,673 And they go up to Camp Grant. 517 00:24:43,708 --> 00:24:48,308 On April 30, 1871, at dawn, they attacked. 518 00:24:48,343 --> 00:24:49,843 144 people died, 519 00:24:49,878 --> 00:24:52,513 and 136 of those were women and children. 520 00:24:52,548 --> 00:24:54,848 All right. So all these people dead. Did anybody survive? 521 00:24:54,883 --> 00:24:56,053 They take any prisoners? 522 00:24:56,088 --> 00:24:58,188 There were 30 children that did survive, 523 00:24:58,223 --> 00:24:59,753 and they were sold into slavery, 524 00:24:59,788 --> 00:25:02,228 and they were marched down into Sonora, Mexico. 525 00:25:02,263 --> 00:25:04,088 There's a road that actually went 526 00:25:04,098 --> 00:25:05,863 right by your clients' property. 527 00:25:05,898 --> 00:25:09,233 And a couple of them did manage to escape. 528 00:25:09,268 --> 00:25:12,938 This is one that we know for sure made it back, 529 00:25:12,973 --> 00:25:15,108 and as far as we know, the rest of them 530 00:25:15,143 --> 00:25:16,873 died in slavery down in Mexico. 531 00:25:16,908 --> 00:25:20,238 All right. So did anybody pay for this massacre at all? 532 00:25:20,248 --> 00:25:24,048 The territory governor arrested over 100 people, 533 00:25:24,083 --> 00:25:26,648 and when the verdict went to the jury, 534 00:25:26,683 --> 00:25:27,783 they were all acquitted. 535 00:25:27,818 --> 00:25:30,748 Nobody got convicted of anything? No. 536 00:25:30,758 --> 00:25:32,458 The people of Pima County were very supportive of the massacre, 537 00:25:32,493 --> 00:25:36,088 so the Apache never saw justice. 538 00:25:44,268 --> 00:25:47,398 The Native Americans cursed this land. 539 00:25:47,408 --> 00:25:52,308 That stems from way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way back, 540 00:25:52,343 --> 00:25:55,078 from the murder and mayhem that was committed. 541 00:25:56,918 --> 00:25:59,778 This was specific to this area. 542 00:25:59,788 --> 00:26:02,618 They were tying Native Americans 543 00:26:02,653 --> 00:26:04,618 that they had captured. 544 00:26:07,528 --> 00:26:11,163 These Native Americans were slaves. 545 00:26:11,198 --> 00:26:14,398 I don't know exactly what they were forced to do, 546 00:26:14,433 --> 00:26:17,533 but I just saw the word "slaves." 547 00:26:17,568 --> 00:26:19,168 Is the priest trapping them in the church 548 00:26:19,203 --> 00:26:22,008 with the other dead people? 549 00:26:22,043 --> 00:26:23,303 I think so. Yeah. 550 00:26:23,338 --> 00:26:26,338 Some of them were pretty much skeletons 551 00:26:26,348 --> 00:26:28,408 with just, like, little bits of flesh hanging off. 552 00:26:30,818 --> 00:26:36,288 So I'm estimating that there were about 80 of these people. 553 00:26:36,323 --> 00:26:38,383 The ones who were almost skeletons, I think, 554 00:26:38,418 --> 00:26:42,488 died at the same time, so they're in a lot of pain. 555 00:26:49,598 --> 00:26:53,568 During my walk, I saw a whole bunch of disturbing things, 556 00:26:53,603 --> 00:26:55,273 but two stood out. 557 00:26:55,308 --> 00:26:57,468 First, the group of shadow figures 558 00:26:57,478 --> 00:26:59,043 marching through the house. 559 00:26:59,078 --> 00:27:03,348 What I saw in this hallway was, in single file, 560 00:27:03,383 --> 00:27:06,548 shadow people, and different heights. 561 00:27:09,988 --> 00:27:12,258 Next, I described the priest-demon 562 00:27:12,293 --> 00:27:14,453 tormenting the living. 563 00:27:14,488 --> 00:27:18,328 You can see that he was looking like a human 564 00:27:18,363 --> 00:27:22,165 and it stands by the bed 565 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,933 and it becomes a thin mist 566 00:27:25,968 --> 00:27:29,708 and it covers the person and then it meshes into them. 567 00:27:33,578 --> 00:27:36,348 Amy, is this what you saw? 568 00:27:36,383 --> 00:27:38,348 Yes. 569 00:27:57,238 --> 00:28:00,098 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 570 00:28:00,108 --> 00:28:02,538 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 571 00:28:02,573 --> 00:28:05,143 and our clients for the first time. 572 00:28:05,178 --> 00:28:08,013 Well, Amy, I want you to meet Karen and Don. 573 00:28:08,048 --> 00:28:10,843 They bought this house about a year and a half ago, 574 00:28:10,878 --> 00:28:13,878 and they were hoping to make it a dream retirement home. 575 00:28:13,888 --> 00:28:16,148 Obviously, that hasn't worked out that way. 576 00:28:16,158 --> 00:28:19,718 But the main reason we're here is Karen's daughter, Valerie. 577 00:28:19,728 --> 00:28:23,488 Now she's in a tough spot and is supposed to move in here 578 00:28:23,498 --> 00:28:25,428 with her two daughters. Next month? 579 00:28:25,463 --> 00:28:26,858 - Yeah. - Okay. 580 00:28:26,868 --> 00:28:28,928 The problem is, these guys don't think it's safe, 581 00:28:28,963 --> 00:28:32,938 so I'll ask Amy to describe her walk for us. 582 00:28:35,208 --> 00:28:38,808 When I first arrived, and I saw murder and mayhem 583 00:28:38,843 --> 00:28:41,543 that happened here a long, long time ago. 584 00:28:41,578 --> 00:28:45,178 It involved Native Americans who had ties to the land. 585 00:28:45,213 --> 00:28:48,613 They were being utilized as slaves. 586 00:28:48,648 --> 00:28:52,618 The other thing is that there was a curse placed on this land 587 00:28:52,628 --> 00:28:54,853 a very long time ago. 588 00:28:54,888 --> 00:28:57,358 I got something with slaves when I did the research. 589 00:28:57,393 --> 00:28:59,660 It was an Indian tribe called the Tohono O'odham... 590 00:28:59,695 --> 00:29:01,928 Okay. ...who lived in and around your property 591 00:29:01,963 --> 00:29:03,863 for hundreds of years. 592 00:29:03,898 --> 00:29:06,138 Now I actually have a photo of what they had looked like 593 00:29:06,173 --> 00:29:08,308 back in the 1850s. 594 00:29:10,478 --> 00:29:13,678 But there was bad blood between them and the Apaches. 595 00:29:13,713 --> 00:29:16,108 They took abuse from the Apaches for years. 596 00:29:16,118 --> 00:29:19,518 Now in 1871, the Tohono O'odham got their revenge. 597 00:29:19,553 --> 00:29:20,583 The Apaches surrendered 598 00:29:20,618 --> 00:29:22,503 to the U.S. government at Camp Grant, 599 00:29:22,538 --> 00:29:24,388 which is about 60 miles north of here. 600 00:29:24,423 --> 00:29:27,818 Here's a picture of Camp Grant. 601 00:29:27,828 --> 00:29:32,423 On April 28, 1871, the local tribe headed north 602 00:29:32,458 --> 00:29:35,468 and surrounded the camp, and it turned into a bloodbath. 603 00:29:35,503 --> 00:29:39,938 By the end of it, 144 people were killed. 604 00:29:39,973 --> 00:29:42,838 136 of them were women and children. 605 00:29:42,873 --> 00:29:45,143 Wow. 606 00:29:45,178 --> 00:29:48,713 Now about 30 of these Apache kids survived the massacre, 607 00:29:48,748 --> 00:29:52,248 but they marched them down past here into Mexico... 608 00:29:52,283 --> 00:29:54,578 ...to sell them off into slavery. 609 00:29:54,588 --> 00:29:57,788 And I actually have a picture of one of the Native Americans 610 00:29:57,823 --> 00:29:59,888 that we know escaped. 611 00:30:03,758 --> 00:30:05,198 My god. I've seen her. 612 00:30:06,528 --> 00:30:08,893 I've seen her. 613 00:30:08,928 --> 00:30:11,313 When I close my eyes at night, I-I see... 614 00:30:11,348 --> 00:30:13,698 - Here, sweetie. Take that. - ...I see people. 615 00:30:18,308 --> 00:30:21,813 I just hope she's okay somewhere. 616 00:30:21,848 --> 00:30:25,778 I'll just put this picture here. It seems to be upsetting you. 617 00:30:25,813 --> 00:30:27,148 You think this could have something to do 618 00:30:27,183 --> 00:30:30,153 with the curse on the land? Yes. 619 00:30:30,188 --> 00:30:34,858 Essentially, the curse is that anyone who's white 620 00:30:34,893 --> 00:30:38,598 will not live a peaceful life here. 621 00:30:41,668 --> 00:30:43,863 So what else happened on the walk? 622 00:30:43,898 --> 00:30:46,738 So I came inside, and I was pulled immediately 623 00:30:46,773 --> 00:30:48,873 to the downstairs hallway. 624 00:30:48,908 --> 00:30:52,178 And I was then in a male's body, 625 00:30:52,213 --> 00:30:55,973 and he was in a lot of pain, 626 00:30:56,008 --> 00:30:59,518 and I started to hear all of these noises around him. 627 00:30:59,553 --> 00:31:01,283 So we're outside, 628 00:31:01,318 --> 00:31:05,283 and I felt like I was being stabbed in my side. 629 00:31:05,318 --> 00:31:09,758 And I, of course, felt very ill, and I didn't really understand 630 00:31:09,793 --> 00:31:11,723 what the hell was happening, 631 00:31:11,758 --> 00:31:13,863 and then I heard the word "knife." 632 00:31:13,898 --> 00:31:15,598 So, Amy, that's not much to go on, 633 00:31:15,633 --> 00:31:17,700 but it does sound like a homicide 634 00:31:17,735 --> 00:31:19,733 I did come across in my research. 635 00:31:19,768 --> 00:31:22,133 Now the victim's name was Pancho Mendozo. 636 00:31:22,168 --> 00:31:24,468 We didn't know much about this guy other than he was homeless, 637 00:31:24,478 --> 00:31:26,908 and he was about 55 to 60. 638 00:31:26,943 --> 00:31:28,843 On October 13, 1893, 639 00:31:28,878 --> 00:31:31,618 Mendozo was traveling from Tucson to Mexico, 640 00:31:31,653 --> 00:31:33,678 passing right through your property. 641 00:31:33,688 --> 00:31:37,018 So he was tired and decided to take a little nap nearby a tree. 642 00:31:37,053 --> 00:31:39,788 It turns out he was being followed. 643 00:31:39,823 --> 00:31:41,593 While Mendozo was sleeping, 644 00:31:41,628 --> 00:31:43,893 someone came up to him and attacked him. 645 00:31:43,928 --> 00:31:47,358 He was stabbed twice, once in the throat and in the torso. 646 00:31:48,628 --> 00:31:50,468 And he basically bled out and died on the scene. 647 00:31:50,503 --> 00:31:52,468 To this day, the case is still unsolved. 648 00:31:52,503 --> 00:31:53,833 Wow. 649 00:31:53,868 --> 00:31:55,968 This is the real kicker of the whole thing -- 650 00:31:56,003 --> 00:31:58,173 Mendozo had no family or money, 651 00:31:58,208 --> 00:32:00,108 and he was buried right under the tree 652 00:32:00,143 --> 00:32:02,008 where they found him. Interesting. 653 00:32:04,978 --> 00:32:07,778 So what else happened on the walk? 654 00:32:07,788 --> 00:32:11,858 When I was outside, I saw a lot of dead people 655 00:32:11,893 --> 00:32:14,218 walking in single file, 656 00:32:14,228 --> 00:32:17,888 and they're on a specific pathway, 657 00:32:17,898 --> 00:32:20,558 and it goes right through your house. 658 00:32:20,568 --> 00:32:23,028 Here I'm seeing four, and here I'm seeing eight. 659 00:32:23,038 --> 00:32:26,998 At the same time, living people would see them as shadow people. 660 00:32:27,008 --> 00:32:29,773 But they're not. They're just dead people. 661 00:32:29,808 --> 00:32:32,058 - I refer to it as a parade... - Yeah. Okay. 662 00:32:32,093 --> 00:32:34,308 ...going through the house this way.- 663 00:32:34,343 --> 00:32:37,878 And I'll see, like, two, four, six. 664 00:32:37,913 --> 00:32:39,083 Crazy. 665 00:32:39,118 --> 00:32:40,853 It's like it's a constant, daily... 666 00:32:40,888 --> 00:32:42,588 - Now you see them too, Don. - Yeah. 667 00:32:42,623 --> 00:32:43,783 Interesting. Okay. 668 00:32:43,818 --> 00:32:46,418 When I spoke to Valerie on a video conference, 669 00:32:46,428 --> 00:32:47,588 she described the same thing. 670 00:32:48,928 --> 00:32:52,558 I did have a sketch done of what I was kind of seeing. 671 00:32:58,568 --> 00:33:00,538 Take a look at that. 672 00:33:00,573 --> 00:33:02,538 My god. 673 00:33:04,208 --> 00:33:05,708 And that's how it looks to you, Karen? 674 00:33:05,743 --> 00:33:06,973 Yeah. Yeah. 675 00:33:07,008 --> 00:33:10,108 It's like wave after wave after wave. 676 00:33:10,118 --> 00:33:12,078 Now you know you're not nuts. 677 00:33:12,113 --> 00:33:13,578 Thank you. 678 00:33:17,018 --> 00:33:19,018 All right, so interesting walk so far. 679 00:33:19,053 --> 00:33:20,223 What else? 680 00:33:20,258 --> 00:33:24,123 So then I ran into 681 00:33:24,158 --> 00:33:26,663 an entity here that, to me, 682 00:33:26,698 --> 00:33:28,793 represents the biggest problem. 683 00:33:28,828 --> 00:33:33,198 He's dressed like a Catholic priest, 684 00:33:33,208 --> 00:33:36,473 but he's not really a priest at all, 685 00:33:36,508 --> 00:33:39,458 but I couldn't figure out if he was a demon 686 00:33:39,493 --> 00:33:42,408 or if, in fact, he had once been human. 687 00:33:42,443 --> 00:33:43,478 So what was he? 688 00:33:43,513 --> 00:33:45,543 A dead person. 689 00:33:45,578 --> 00:33:49,488 And he started, like, swearing and cursing at me, 690 00:33:49,523 --> 00:33:52,205 being very threatening and saying 691 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,888 that he was going to kill all of us. 692 00:33:56,528 --> 00:33:59,298 When I met him, he's in a church, 693 00:33:59,333 --> 00:34:03,328 and in his church, 694 00:34:03,338 --> 00:34:07,303 he has a lot of dead people. 695 00:34:07,338 --> 00:34:11,843 So his thing is he is collecting all of these people 696 00:34:11,878 --> 00:34:16,348 and brings them into this church that he's created, 697 00:34:16,383 --> 00:34:19,115 and he's trapping them there. 698 00:34:19,150 --> 00:34:21,813 So does this priest thing... 699 00:34:21,848 --> 00:34:24,253 Would it interact with these guys? 700 00:34:24,288 --> 00:34:26,658 I think that it does have the ability 701 00:34:26,693 --> 00:34:28,660 to go after you physically. 702 00:34:28,695 --> 00:34:30,593 I had an experience last night 703 00:34:30,628 --> 00:34:33,428 where he was messing with my throat, 704 00:34:33,463 --> 00:34:36,600 so I got these four lines, 705 00:34:36,635 --> 00:34:39,066 and it was burning like a... 706 00:34:39,101 --> 00:34:41,498 - Yeah. - That's you. 707 00:34:41,508 --> 00:34:43,458 That's me. 708 00:34:43,493 --> 00:34:45,373 I came home from work, 709 00:34:45,408 --> 00:34:49,108 and within just a couple minutes of walking in the door, 710 00:34:49,143 --> 00:34:52,278 my leg starting burning like a chemical burn. 711 00:34:52,313 --> 00:34:54,013 I looked down, 712 00:34:54,048 --> 00:34:58,318 and I had three scratches right up the calf. 713 00:34:58,353 --> 00:35:00,418 He likes to go after the weak and sick 714 00:35:00,428 --> 00:35:02,393 din this house specifically. 715 00:35:02,428 --> 00:35:03,978 That's easy prey for him. 716 00:35:04,013 --> 00:35:05,493 I did feel that there was 717 00:35:05,528 --> 00:35:07,798 a living individual in this house 718 00:35:07,833 --> 00:35:10,033 that had become a target for him 719 00:35:10,068 --> 00:35:14,053 and that this thing is making this person sicker. 720 00:35:14,088 --> 00:35:18,038 I had a stroke 6 years ago, and I've had, you know, 721 00:35:18,073 --> 00:35:19,738 ongoing blood-pressure issues. 722 00:35:21,508 --> 00:35:24,408 I got specific illness traits of terrible headaches, 723 00:35:24,418 --> 00:35:27,213 nausea, and insomnia, 724 00:35:27,248 --> 00:35:30,748 and essentially, what he's doing is torturing the person. 725 00:35:30,758 --> 00:35:33,458 I've been put on a sleeping pill. 726 00:35:33,493 --> 00:35:34,453 Tell her about the headaches, 727 00:35:34,488 --> 00:35:35,788 the way you described them to me. 728 00:35:35,823 --> 00:35:38,493 I get these intense... 729 00:35:38,528 --> 00:35:42,028 It's almost like a fire prod 730 00:35:42,063 --> 00:35:45,263 being put in your head. 731 00:35:45,298 --> 00:35:47,198 Now is he targeting both of them? 732 00:35:49,238 --> 00:35:53,338 Well, I think that it's mainly you, 733 00:35:53,348 --> 00:35:57,108 but it's not just one person. 734 00:35:57,118 --> 00:35:58,348 The guy is into torture. 735 00:35:58,383 --> 00:35:59,483 - Yeah. - You know? 736 00:35:59,518 --> 00:36:03,418 And the worst thing is that he can jump people. 737 00:36:03,453 --> 00:36:07,318 He can make himself appear like a black mist, 738 00:36:07,328 --> 00:36:10,493 and then he'll meld into the person's body. 739 00:36:10,528 --> 00:36:14,163 This can cause mood swings, and when he does that, 740 00:36:14,198 --> 00:36:17,798 he literally speaks through the living in this house. 741 00:36:17,833 --> 00:36:21,298 And so I saw people yelling out strange things. 742 00:36:21,308 --> 00:36:23,123 You know, you're sitting at the table. 743 00:36:23,158 --> 00:36:24,938 You're eating, and then, all of a sudden, 744 00:36:24,973 --> 00:36:26,203 somebody jumps up and is like, 745 00:36:26,238 --> 00:36:29,378 "I'm gonna...kill everybody!" just out of nowhere, 746 00:36:29,413 --> 00:36:32,518 and then has no recollection that they did that. 747 00:36:32,553 --> 00:36:34,783 Yeah. I was downstairs one day, 748 00:36:34,818 --> 00:36:38,088 and I heard Karen up here crying uncontrollably, 749 00:36:38,123 --> 00:36:39,653 so I come running upstairs. 750 00:36:39,688 --> 00:36:42,258 She was sitting in the chair and just said, "I was fine." 751 00:36:43,498 --> 00:36:46,158 And then, about a week or two later, she goes, 752 00:36:46,193 --> 00:36:47,858 "I heard you downstairs yelling and..." 753 00:36:47,868 --> 00:36:49,368 - Throwing a full tantrum. - I said, "No." 754 00:36:49,403 --> 00:36:52,103 - Wow. - I was fine. 755 00:36:52,138 --> 00:36:54,538 And you've got the mood swings you were talking. 756 00:36:54,573 --> 00:36:57,005 Yeah. All of a sudden, I'll get extremely frustrated 757 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,709 to the point where, you know, I almost start to vibrate, 758 00:36:59,744 --> 00:37:02,378 but then I just get pissed off and I don't know why. 759 00:37:02,413 --> 00:37:05,378 His whole speech mannerism changes. 760 00:37:06,518 --> 00:37:08,818 And it's like, "Don, knock it off." Yeah. 761 00:37:10,358 --> 00:37:13,023 Yeah. You okay? Yeah. 762 00:37:13,058 --> 00:37:14,718 It's tough to hear. I know. 763 00:37:14,728 --> 00:37:16,488 - Yeah. - You okay? 764 00:37:16,498 --> 00:37:18,723 It's okay. 765 00:37:18,758 --> 00:37:21,558 That's why we're doing this. 766 00:37:21,568 --> 00:37:23,228 - Right? - It's not you, Don. 767 00:37:23,238 --> 00:37:25,768 - Right. - It's okay, man. 768 00:37:25,803 --> 00:37:28,298 It's okay. We can get this fixed. 769 00:37:28,308 --> 00:37:31,973 You can be happy. 770 00:37:32,008 --> 00:37:35,408 Now this thing do anything else besides torture these people? 771 00:37:35,443 --> 00:37:37,678 - Um... - It's doing a good job of that. 772 00:37:37,713 --> 00:37:39,383 I was in the downstairs basement, 773 00:37:39,418 --> 00:37:42,248 and I saw him standing at the end of the bed. 774 00:37:42,283 --> 00:37:43,383 God. 775 00:37:43,418 --> 00:37:45,283 And then he became that mist again, 776 00:37:45,318 --> 00:37:49,588 and he will sink into the person's body. 777 00:37:49,623 --> 00:37:51,393 Obviously, this affects 778 00:37:51,428 --> 00:37:53,758 the living person's body horribly. 779 00:37:56,368 --> 00:37:58,368 Gosh. 780 00:37:58,403 --> 00:38:00,533 Um... 781 00:38:00,568 --> 00:38:04,508 I had just gone to bed, and I felt something 782 00:38:04,543 --> 00:38:06,938 from the foot of the bed, 783 00:38:06,948 --> 00:38:12,078 hand, knee, crawl right over my body. 784 00:38:12,113 --> 00:38:13,413 You also had another experience 785 00:38:13,448 --> 00:38:14,748 where it felt like somebody sat on the bed. 786 00:38:14,783 --> 00:38:16,113 Yes. 787 00:38:16,148 --> 00:38:20,488 I'll be laying in bed, and you can feel somebody sit. 788 00:38:20,523 --> 00:38:22,853 The blankets tighten, 789 00:38:22,888 --> 00:38:27,558 and from my knees to my feet got ice cold. 790 00:38:27,568 --> 00:38:31,568 I did have a sketch done of that situation that I saw. 791 00:38:36,425 --> 00:38:41,143 Jeez. 792 00:38:41,178 --> 00:38:43,378 You guys have been through a lot tonight. All right. 793 00:38:49,018 --> 00:38:51,848 My god. 794 00:38:55,428 --> 00:38:57,628 Valerie's bringing her small kids here. 795 00:38:57,663 --> 00:38:59,423 Would they be in danger, too? 796 00:38:59,458 --> 00:39:02,798 Yes. Absolutely, the children, yeah. 797 00:39:03,968 --> 00:39:06,398 That scares the hell out of me. 798 00:39:11,978 --> 00:39:15,208 What the hell does this priest thing want from these guys? 799 00:39:15,243 --> 00:39:17,608 His goal is to kill you guys, 800 00:39:17,618 --> 00:39:20,318 and it's definitely got you in mind for his church. 801 00:39:36,528 --> 00:39:38,268 Well, Karen, you called us in because you were worried 802 00:39:38,303 --> 00:39:40,503 about Valerie moving in with the grandkids. 803 00:39:40,538 --> 00:39:45,278 Turns out bringing us in may have saved you and Don's life. 804 00:39:45,313 --> 00:39:46,738 Now we're gonna answer the big question. 805 00:39:46,748 --> 00:39:49,248 Can you kick this priest-demon thing out, 806 00:39:49,283 --> 00:39:50,543 and what's it going to take? 807 00:39:50,578 --> 00:39:52,218 For that answer, I'm going to turn it over to Amy. 808 00:39:55,888 --> 00:39:57,353 There are things you can do, 809 00:39:57,388 --> 00:40:00,423 but the thing you do need to be aware of 810 00:40:00,458 --> 00:40:04,778 is that you will deal with issues on a daily basis 811 00:40:04,813 --> 00:40:09,098 because of the area and the curse that's here. 812 00:40:09,133 --> 00:40:11,328 So basically, you'll never have peace 813 00:40:11,338 --> 00:40:14,838 like you've known prior to moving to this place. 814 00:40:14,873 --> 00:40:17,755 So the first thing is to bring a medium in 815 00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:20,638 and simply have them help the stabbing victim 816 00:40:20,648 --> 00:40:23,508 and the group of dead people move on. 817 00:40:23,518 --> 00:40:25,283 What I would like for you to do 818 00:40:25,318 --> 00:40:28,883 in dealing with this priest dead guy 819 00:40:28,918 --> 00:40:32,173 is a true Catholic priest needs to come in 820 00:40:32,208 --> 00:40:35,393 and do a blessing at the property line. 821 00:40:35,428 --> 00:40:39,258 Then, using rosaries that have been blessed by the same priest, 822 00:40:39,293 --> 00:40:40,893 so five rosaries, 823 00:40:40,928 --> 00:40:42,793 bury them at approximately 824 00:40:42,828 --> 00:40:45,498 the four corners of your property 825 00:40:45,533 --> 00:40:47,398 and then place the fifth one 826 00:40:47,408 --> 00:40:49,673 in the approximate center of the house. 827 00:40:49,708 --> 00:40:51,808 Now once they do all this, will this priest-demon 828 00:40:51,843 --> 00:40:53,078 get the hell out of here? 829 00:40:53,113 --> 00:40:55,073 Correct. 830 00:40:55,108 --> 00:40:56,473 It won't be easy. 831 00:40:56,508 --> 00:40:58,863 But we need to do it, and we're going to do it. 832 00:40:58,898 --> 00:41:01,183 You're worth it. The grandkids are worth it. 833 00:41:01,218 --> 00:41:04,418 So now if they do everything you told them they need to do, 834 00:41:04,453 --> 00:41:06,658 is Don going to feel better? 835 00:41:06,693 --> 00:41:08,375 I think you will. 836 00:41:08,410 --> 00:41:10,023 What about Karen? 837 00:41:10,058 --> 00:41:12,158 She'll be able to go to sleep, no more of those big headaches? 838 00:41:12,193 --> 00:41:13,963 That'll be done. 839 00:41:13,998 --> 00:41:16,533 Maybe we can actually unpack, 840 00:41:16,568 --> 00:41:20,238 and you don't turn into evil grandpa. 841 00:41:20,273 --> 00:41:21,733 Well, that's good. 842 00:41:21,768 --> 00:41:23,338 I'm glad to see smiles on your faces at the end of all this. 843 00:41:23,373 --> 00:41:24,573 We can do it. 844 00:41:24,608 --> 00:41:25,808 We've been through a lot of other worse stuff. 845 00:41:25,843 --> 00:41:27,578 There's a light at the end of the tunnel. 846 00:41:30,008 --> 00:41:32,748 Karen and Don have a lot of work ahead of them, 847 00:41:32,783 --> 00:41:35,488 but if they contact a medium to remove the shadow people 848 00:41:35,523 --> 00:41:37,883 and the murder victim, and a priest 849 00:41:37,918 --> 00:41:40,953 to set up a boundary banishing the priest-demon, 850 00:41:40,988 --> 00:41:45,128 they can free themselves of evil and lead a peaceful life. 851 00:41:45,178 --> 00:41:49,728 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 65930

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