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There's a lot of chaos.
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He's like, "Get out of here.
I own this."
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You just grab
your head in agony.
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It literally felt like fire.
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You okay?
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I'm just hearing "knife."
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He died instantly.
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There's so much commotion here,
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it's ridiculous.
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This is not a good situation.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's death here.
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Don't wanna go down there.
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I see dead people.
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They hide in the walls
and they watch.
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I speak to dead people...
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She's definitely
a serial killer.
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...and they speak to me.
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She's going to torture them.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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They were all murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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So is this the only time
you've been physically attacked?
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I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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There's no question in my mind
that he was talking about Satan.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Who do you think
possessed you?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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Well, you're not gonna want
to see this.
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When we uncover if it's safe
for you to stay...
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Hell, no.
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Or time to get out.
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Everyone is in jeopardy.
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I'm in Sahuarita, Arizona, about
a half-hour south of Tucson.
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I got a call
from a woman named Karen
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who just recently
moved into a new house.
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Now she says
all hell has broken loose
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and it's ripping
her marriage apart.
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But this is what has got
her most worried --
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Her daughter is
supposed to move in
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with her two grandkids soon,
and she's worried
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they're going to be stepping
into a paranormal war zone.
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Before Amy arrives,
I clear the house
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of any leading information --
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photographs, personal items.
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Even medical equipment
can influence her findings,
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so it's important I cover
or remove them all.
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When I'm done, the location will
be ready for tonight's walk.
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This place is really,
really bad.
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There's quite a lot going on.
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There's a lot of chaos,
a lot of chaos.
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It's never quiet.
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I can understand why
nobody would sleep here.
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There's so much commotion here,
it's ridiculous.
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So, Karen, when we spoke on
the phone, you sounded upset.
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What's going on?
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We bought this house
about a year and a half ago.
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This is our retirement home.
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It was supposed to be
the forever home...
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But it's not.
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So your retirement home
is basically a war zone.
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It is right now.
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You also mentioned
on the phone
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that you were concerned
about your husband.
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Yeah. His name is Don.
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Okay.
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And about 6 years ago,
he had a stroke.
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His moods changes
are getting worse.
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Little tiny things
will just make him blow up.
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I call him a human volcano.
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So it's just you and Don
that live here.
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Right now, yeah.
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In about 5 weeks,
my youngest daughter
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and two of my grandchildren
are moving in.
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And how old are her kids?
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4 and almost 9.
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So, Karen, you've got
to be concerned about
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a 4 and an 8-year-old
moving in here.
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Very concerned.
I'll do whatever you guys say.
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What exactly are you guys
experiencing here?
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There's everything
from noises and shadows
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to physical touching,
scratching.
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It's also affecting
my health.
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Okay. So what's going on?
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Headaches.
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It feels like hot prod
to the point
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where you just
grab your head in agony.
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I don't sleep.
I'm up all night.
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You know, what are you hoping
we can do for you guys?
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I'm hoping that we can get
a happy home
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for my daughter
and granddaughters,
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and I'm concerned with Don
being here all the time,
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so I want it to be
a good home.
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You're not asking for a lot.
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I don't think I could deal
with it if anything happened
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to the girls
or the grandchildren.
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I couldn't handle it.
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I do feel sick.
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I'm just getting, like,
horrible nausea,
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so somebody is dealing
with that, a living person.
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Headaches,
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you know,
with the insomnia.
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There is this guy here
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who is dressed like a priest,
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but I think he's lying
about being a priest.
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I think he's lying about
what he looks like.
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He could be a demon.
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The nausea, the headaches,
the not sleeping
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is a way that this thing
breaks people down
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so that it can get them.
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So what's going on
in this room?
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I was sitting
in my recliner.
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My leg started burning,
and I looked down,
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and I had scratches.
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How bad of a scratch
was it?
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- It raised the skin.
- Okay.
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And the worst part was
the burn.
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Now you told me you have cats.
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Could it have been the cats?
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No, 'cause they were
in their bedroom.
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Okay, so there was
no animals in here? No.
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Okay, have you ever been
physically touched
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like that anyplace else
or before? Yes.
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- Right in the hallway...
- Okay.
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...I was sweeping,
and I had my arm grabbed.
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Okay, describe to me
how it felt.
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Okay. Like that.
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- That hard?
- That hard.
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Now have you had
muscle spasms before? No.
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All right,
is there anything else?
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Yeah. Shadows.
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I see a lot of shadows,
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and there's this almost
constant parade at times.
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All right, so do these shadows
have any shape, like a human?
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I don't really see them
as a shape.
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It's more of a mist
or a mass.
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Now how often
are you seeing them?
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Almost daily.
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People see a lot of...
outside here.
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There is a path,
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and then I got a line of, like,
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shadow people lining up.
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Yeah, they're all in line,
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one behind the other,
single file.
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But they're not shadow people.
They're dead people.
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Is there any connection
between this priest guy
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and these people that are
lined up and walking?
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I don't really know, but I think
these dead people,
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the living see them.
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I think they just, like,
see them, like,
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corner of their eye.
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They're somewhere in the house.
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It's very stressful.
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Stress. Stress.
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Stress.
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All right, so what's
going on down here?
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As I get into bed
and I'm just settling in,
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I felt somebody
crawl over the top of me.
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I'm in full prayer mode,
and it just went away.
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Any of the animals stay in bed
with you guys?
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No. No.
The dogs have kennels...
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Okay.
...that are over on the far side of the room.
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Okay.
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All right.
so anything else?
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Well, yes.
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A couple nights ago,
when I laid down,
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I could feel something
sit next to me,
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pulling the blankets tight
around my legs.
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Okay, can you show me
how hard the pressure was?
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It was just like this.
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Okay, so as if a normal person
was sitting down on the bed.
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Right.
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I'm trying to figure out
what else it could be.
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I'm at a loss right now.
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I don't know why
they're grabbing me.
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And why would
they crawl over me?
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I just know
that I want them gone.
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Yeah.
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I'm seeing, like, vomiting,
crying, punching.
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And, I mean, I think
this is happening now
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with a living person here.
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They're vulnerable
to, priest man.
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The priest comes
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and becomes
as thin as the blanket,
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and then it's melding
into the person's body.
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So what is this thing doing to
this person when it does this?
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It goes inside of their body.
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Like, all the way in,
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into all of the bones
and the muscles and the tissues.
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I see it, like, affecting
the physiology of the person.
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What does it want
from this person?
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Death.
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So, Don, I was talking
to your wife Karen,
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and she's concerned about
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her daughter coming to live
with the kids.
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Yeah. I'm concerned, too.
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I mean, I don't want them
in here
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if it's not safe for them.
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Now as far as
your own experiences,
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can you tell me about any?
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Yeah. I see shadow figures
all the time.
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Karen mentioned
the same thing to me.
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Okay, so how often are you
seeing these shadows?
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Daily basis.
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All right, Don,
anything else?
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Yeah, in the downstairs
bathroom,
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I would get pushed
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almost every time
I took a shower.
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I know you had a stroke.
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Could it be a side effect
from some of the medications
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you're taking?
No.
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I'm down to only
blood pressure medications now.
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All right, Don,
anything else?
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I was downstairs,
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and I heard Karen crying
uncontrollably upstairs,
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so I'm running upstairs
to see what was wrong.
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And when I got there,
she was just fine
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and said that she hadn't been
crying, that she was quiet.
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All right. What about a TV
or a radio being on?
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No. It wasn't on.
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Okay, mow did you ever
hear that again?
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Yeah. It actually happened
the other way around after that.
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- She heard you?
- Yes.
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Karen said that
she heard me screaming
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like something
was really wrong,
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that I was pissed off
about something.
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Okay. You sure you weren't
going crazy and having a fit?
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No. I was folding laundry.
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All right, this is...
That's a little strange.
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- Yeah.
- Okay.
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The priest, who now
is claiming to be a demon,
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I think he can jump people.
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Like, the word,
the possession word,
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is being thrown around a lot.
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Living people see, like,
this pretty thick, black mist,
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and it's pretty tall.
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That's how he melds with people.
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Like, that's why
he's in that form,
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so he can meld easily
with people's bodies.
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The way that,
that would affect the living,
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I'm seeing, you know,
them acting crazy.
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And they wouldn't remember.
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Say they're eating,
and then all of a sudden,
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somebody jumps up
from the kitchen table
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and is like, "I'm gonna...
kill everyone!"
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That's this thing, like,
jumping them.
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It speaks through the living.
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So, Don, talking to Karen,
she also mentioned to me
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that you're having
mood swings.
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Your attitude has changed.
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What's the story there?
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I will, all of a sudden,
257
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get really frustrated
or get really mad,
258
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and I don't know why
I feel like that.
259
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It just hits me,
and I just...
260
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I'll get really mad
and frustrated out of the blue.
261
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Are you afraid
you might get physical?
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I'm just afraid that, yeah,
I'm gonna yell or scream
263
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or say something that's really
going to hurt somebody,
264
00:12:56,953 --> 00:12:59,413
and I don't mean it.
Okay.
265
00:12:59,448 --> 00:13:01,848
I mean, do you think Karen's
afraid of you when this happens?
266
00:13:01,858 --> 00:13:04,418
Well, she will tell me
sometimes, "You're yelling."
267
00:13:04,428 --> 00:13:06,258
And it's, "I'm not
trying to yell.
268
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I'm just trying to talk
to you."
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I want to do whatever it takes
to protect our family.
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- Okay.
- You know, this is something
271
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that I just can't fight
on my own.
272
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Okay.
273
00:13:15,868 --> 00:13:19,568
This priest-demon thing...
274
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...will go after the weak
and vulnerable.
275
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I think he's trying to do that
with somebody at this location.
276
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There's something about this
place that attracts bad things.
277
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Karen told me
her daughter Valerie plans
278
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on moving into the house
with her kids.
279
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Now she's not in state,
so I'm reaching out to her
280
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on video chat to see
if she's had any experiences.
281
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So, Val, I got to tell you, I've
been talking to your parents,
282
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and I'm not sure
it's such a good idea
283
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for you to move in here
with the kids.
284
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I mean, how you feel
about that?
285
00:13:59,878 --> 00:14:02,608
It is very concerning. My mom is allowing us
286
00:14:02,618 --> 00:14:04,878
to come in and get back on our feet
287
00:14:04,888 --> 00:14:08,448
after a divorce and try to reestablish ourselves.
288
00:14:08,458 --> 00:14:10,323
But if things can't get figured out,
289
00:14:10,358 --> 00:14:13,058
I may have to find a different living situation.
290
00:14:13,093 --> 00:14:16,963
So have you visited
the house here in Arizona?
291
00:14:16,998 --> 00:14:19,628
Yes, actually. I have been there multiple times.
292
00:14:19,663 --> 00:14:22,733
When you were here,
did you have any experiences?
293
00:14:22,768 --> 00:14:26,668
Yeah. I've experienced a shadow a couple of times.
294
00:14:26,703 --> 00:14:28,808
Okay. It seems everybody's
seen shadows here.
295
00:14:28,843 --> 00:14:30,243
How did you experience it?
296
00:14:30,278 --> 00:14:32,908
I was sitting on the love seat in the living room,
297
00:14:32,943 --> 00:14:35,513
and off to my right-hand side,
298
00:14:35,548 --> 00:14:38,548
there was a shadow that would walk in front of it
299
00:14:38,583 --> 00:14:41,288
and block the reflection.
300
00:14:41,323 --> 00:14:42,783
All right. Anything else?
301
00:14:42,818 --> 00:14:45,118
I've had feelings of being watched.
302
00:14:45,128 --> 00:14:47,128
Now was that in anyplace
specific in the house?
303
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Mainly downstairs.
304
00:14:50,098 --> 00:14:52,913
It just felt like somebody was in the room watching me.
305
00:14:52,948 --> 00:14:55,728
I would feel like I was going to have a panic attack.
306
00:14:55,738 --> 00:14:57,903
You got to be concerned
about yourself
307
00:14:57,938 --> 00:15:00,133
and the kids at this point,
if they do come here.
308
00:15:00,168 --> 00:15:04,008
I'm afraid that, with the children being so young,
309
00:15:04,043 --> 00:15:07,848
that they may be vulnerable to attacks on themself.
310
00:15:10,378 --> 00:15:13,548
My feeling, at this point,
311
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about the priest/demon thing
312
00:15:16,753 --> 00:15:19,993
is that it was a human.
313
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And this person was religious.
314
00:15:22,848 --> 00:15:25,563
And I don't think they look like
315
00:15:25,598 --> 00:15:29,768
how they presented themselves
to me at any time.
316
00:15:29,803 --> 00:15:33,098
This priest-demon guy
is going nuts.
317
00:15:34,338 --> 00:15:36,838
He's like, "Get out of here.
I own this."
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Like, "Get the...out of here,
319
00:15:38,808 --> 00:15:40,578
or I'm gonna, like,
kill everybody."
320
00:15:54,828 --> 00:15:57,328
So I made my usual calls
when I got into town,
321
00:15:57,363 --> 00:15:59,058
and a local journalist
just called back
322
00:15:59,068 --> 00:16:01,953
and said he's got something
that's going to help me out.
323
00:16:01,988 --> 00:16:04,838
Apparently, a hotel owner got
lost wandering in the desert
324
00:16:04,873 --> 00:16:07,908
and ended up dying right on
Karen and Don's property.
325
00:16:15,348 --> 00:16:17,783
So, David, do me a favor.
Set the scene for me.
326
00:16:17,818 --> 00:16:20,218
When this guy wandered
onto my clients' property,
327
00:16:20,253 --> 00:16:22,953
when was this,
and who owned the property?
328
00:16:22,988 --> 00:16:25,158
Well, your clients' property
was part of a ranch owned
329
00:16:25,193 --> 00:16:27,453
by a man named
James Kilroy Brown.
330
00:16:27,488 --> 00:16:31,428
Brown had purchased
the property in 1877
331
00:16:31,463 --> 00:16:34,068
and named it
the Sahuarito Ranch.
332
00:16:34,103 --> 00:16:35,263
All right.
333
00:16:35,298 --> 00:16:37,583
Over time, the ranch grew
to about 4,000 acres.
334
00:16:37,618 --> 00:16:39,868
All right, so now this guy
has got 4,000 acres.
335
00:16:39,903 --> 00:16:41,003
But what's he do with it?
336
00:16:41,038 --> 00:16:43,603
Well, Brown fully utilized
his 4,000 acres
337
00:16:43,638 --> 00:16:47,243
as a cattle ranch as well
as, also, a stage stop.
338
00:16:47,278 --> 00:16:49,998
All right. So what can you tell
me about the guy that got lost?
339
00:16:50,033 --> 00:16:52,718
Well, the gentleman that got
lost, his name was James Dixon.
340
00:16:52,753 --> 00:16:55,553
He was a hotel owner
in Tucson.
341
00:16:55,588 --> 00:16:58,118
He invested in mines
in southern Arizona.
342
00:16:58,128 --> 00:17:02,793
On May 1, 1887, he decided to
take a wagon and a horse
343
00:17:02,828 --> 00:17:05,798
and head down towards his mines
to see how they were doing.
344
00:17:05,833 --> 00:17:08,768
And on the way down there,
he stops at the Sahuarito Ranch,
345
00:17:08,803 --> 00:17:11,385
just to water his horse
for a little bit,
346
00:17:11,420 --> 00:17:13,968
and then decides
to continue on going south.
347
00:17:14,003 --> 00:17:16,073
At that point,
he ends up getting lost.
348
00:17:16,108 --> 00:17:18,058
And if you look out here,
this is not a place
349
00:17:18,093 --> 00:17:20,008
you want to get lost
in the middle of summer.
350
00:17:20,043 --> 00:17:21,608
It's deadly.
351
00:17:21,618 --> 00:17:24,278
Well, eventually,
Brown gets wind of this
352
00:17:24,313 --> 00:17:25,413
and gathered together
353
00:17:25,448 --> 00:17:26,988
a bunch of the ranchers
in the area,
354
00:17:27,023 --> 00:17:28,720
and they formed a search party.
355
00:17:28,755 --> 00:17:30,418
It actually made
the local paper.
356
00:17:33,428 --> 00:17:35,288
Brown basically did
the right thing.
357
00:17:35,298 --> 00:17:36,923
He didn't have to look
for this guy.
358
00:17:36,958 --> 00:17:39,968
And they searched for days
and days, and eventually,
359
00:17:40,003 --> 00:17:44,438
they find Dixon lying
under a tree, half-naked.
360
00:17:44,473 --> 00:17:45,703
Now why would he do that?
361
00:17:45,738 --> 00:17:48,638
I think he went plumb crazy
wandering the desert.
362
00:17:48,673 --> 00:17:49,803
What did they do with him?
363
00:17:49,838 --> 00:17:52,073
Well, Brown takes him
back to the ranch,
364
00:17:52,108 --> 00:17:56,108
and Dixon dies on your clients'
property that night.
365
00:17:56,118 --> 00:17:58,083
Here's an article about that.
366
00:17:58,118 --> 00:18:01,648
Sadly, Dixon was
only 47 years old,
367
00:18:01,658 --> 00:18:04,188
and he had a wife and two
daughters he left behind.
368
00:18:04,223 --> 00:18:06,588
- That's a shame.
- Yeah.
369
00:18:09,428 --> 00:18:10,863
I'm seeing a church.
370
00:18:10,898 --> 00:18:13,968
I think it belongs
to the priest-demon guy.
371
00:18:14,003 --> 00:18:17,038
In the pews were
all of these dead people.
372
00:18:17,073 --> 00:18:19,933
They're freaked out,
373
00:18:19,968 --> 00:18:22,973
and they're trapped
in this space by the priest.
374
00:18:23,008 --> 00:18:25,978
But he ain't no priest.
He ain't no Catholic.
375
00:18:26,013 --> 00:18:29,208
He is a fake, false prophet.
376
00:18:30,918 --> 00:18:32,583
He'll kill 'em off
377
00:18:32,618 --> 00:18:35,848
and put 'em
into one of the pews.
378
00:18:40,728 --> 00:18:43,628
So far, I've got a couple
being tormented on a property
379
00:18:43,663 --> 00:18:45,563
where a lost traveler died,
380
00:18:45,598 --> 00:18:48,933
but I want to see
if there's anything else.
381
00:18:48,968 --> 00:18:51,368
Searching through old records,
I come across an article
382
00:18:51,403 --> 00:18:52,903
about a homeless Mexican man
383
00:18:52,938 --> 00:18:55,673
who was brutally murdered
back in 1893.
384
00:18:55,708 --> 00:18:58,393
It turns out
the homicide took place
385
00:18:58,428 --> 00:19:01,043
right next to
Karen and Don's property.
386
00:19:01,078 --> 00:19:03,678
I asked a local sergeant to look
into this murder for me,
387
00:19:03,713 --> 00:19:05,983
and he stumbled
onto a second homicide.
388
00:19:06,018 --> 00:19:08,548
It's a small town, so I'm
actually kind of surprised,
389
00:19:08,558 --> 00:19:11,418
but hopefully, one of these
will help my case.
390
00:19:18,358 --> 00:19:19,913
So, Mike, thanks
for meeting with me.
391
00:19:19,948 --> 00:19:21,468
The homicide I found,
what were you able
392
00:19:21,503 --> 00:19:22,898
to find out
about the victim?
393
00:19:22,933 --> 00:19:24,303
We don't know a lot.
394
00:19:24,338 --> 00:19:25,798
We know that he's homeless
and his name is Pancho Mendozo.
395
00:19:25,808 --> 00:19:27,338
How's he wind up
getting murdered?
396
00:19:27,373 --> 00:19:29,273
On October 13, 1893,
397
00:19:29,308 --> 00:19:33,708
he was passing by
the James Kilroy Brown Ranch,
398
00:19:33,743 --> 00:19:36,113
which is now
your clients' property,
399
00:19:36,148 --> 00:19:38,533
and I guess he got tired
and he got hot, and he decided
400
00:19:38,568 --> 00:19:40,918
he was going to lay down
underneath a mesquite tree
401
00:19:40,953 --> 00:19:42,548
and take a nap.
402
00:19:42,558 --> 00:19:44,258
While he's doing that, he's not
aware that he's being followed,
403
00:19:44,293 --> 00:19:46,358
but what happens is,
is that the murderer came up
404
00:19:46,393 --> 00:19:47,940
and caught him
while he was asleep
405
00:19:47,975 --> 00:19:49,488
and stabbed him
once in the throat
406
00:19:49,498 --> 00:19:51,558
and once in the right side
of the abdomen.
407
00:19:51,593 --> 00:19:53,558
He had died instantly.
408
00:19:53,568 --> 00:19:54,733
They ever make an arrest?
409
00:19:54,768 --> 00:19:56,568
The sheriff did make
an arrest.
410
00:19:56,603 --> 00:19:58,333
Did he get indicted,
convicted?
411
00:19:58,368 --> 00:20:01,233
No, there was no indictment.
They weren't convicted.
412
00:20:01,268 --> 00:20:03,953
There was -- The grand jury
could not agree on the charges.
413
00:20:03,988 --> 00:20:06,638
All right, so it's 1893.
You got a homeless Mexican guy.
414
00:20:06,648 --> 00:20:08,243
What did they do with
the body?
415
00:20:08,278 --> 00:20:09,513
At that time,
he didn't have any money,
416
00:20:09,548 --> 00:20:11,243
and he had no family,
nobody to claim the body,
417
00:20:11,278 --> 00:20:14,088
so they buried him very close
to exactly where he was killed,
418
00:20:14,123 --> 00:20:15,588
right near
your clients' property.
419
00:20:15,623 --> 00:20:16,783
- You're kidding me.
- No.
420
00:20:16,818 --> 00:20:18,388
That's just the way
they did it back then.
421
00:20:21,128 --> 00:20:23,588
There's this older drunk guy
422
00:20:23,598 --> 00:20:28,068
who looks like he was,
back in the day, from Mexico.
423
00:20:29,368 --> 00:20:30,803
I feel sick.
424
00:20:30,838 --> 00:20:33,423
And I'm feeling, like...pain,
425
00:20:33,458 --> 00:20:36,218
lots of pain all through here.
426
00:20:36,253 --> 00:20:38,765
I'm hearing all these noises.
427
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,278
I was outside, and then "knife."
428
00:20:41,313 --> 00:20:43,913
I'm just hearing "knife."
429
00:20:43,948 --> 00:20:46,848
I don't know what that is.
And I hear, "Back away."
430
00:20:46,883 --> 00:20:49,748
All right, so, Mike,
you mentioned on the phone
431
00:20:49,758 --> 00:20:51,808
there was a second homicide
you found. Correct.
432
00:20:51,843 --> 00:20:53,858
Okay, so what can you tell me
about the victim?
433
00:20:53,893 --> 00:20:56,728
The victim's name
is Glendell Soape.
434
00:20:56,763 --> 00:20:58,223
He's 25 years old.
435
00:20:58,258 --> 00:20:59,558
He's married
and has three kids,
436
00:20:59,568 --> 00:21:01,033
and he's from
Scottsdale, Arizona.
437
00:21:01,068 --> 00:21:03,128
All right, so I assume
he's down here on business.
438
00:21:03,138 --> 00:21:06,533
Well, actually,
on May 23, 1963,
439
00:21:06,568 --> 00:21:09,608
he went down
to a predominantly black bar
440
00:21:09,643 --> 00:21:11,903
looking for a prostitute,
441
00:21:11,938 --> 00:21:14,178
and goes up
to a perfect stranger,
442
00:21:14,213 --> 00:21:16,243
whose name is Leo Davis,
443
00:21:16,278 --> 00:21:19,218
and asked him if he can
hook him up with a black girl.
444
00:21:19,253 --> 00:21:20,818
- And does he get hooked up?
- He did so.
445
00:21:20,853 --> 00:21:22,348
He went
and found one for him,
446
00:21:22,358 --> 00:21:25,408
and they went and had sex
outside of the bar.
447
00:21:25,443 --> 00:21:28,423
- Does the pros set him up?
- No, not at all.
448
00:21:28,458 --> 00:21:31,728
After they were done having sex,
he decides, all of a sudden,
449
00:21:31,763 --> 00:21:35,630
that he wants to go to Mexico
and get cheap liquor.
450
00:21:35,665 --> 00:21:39,498
So he jumps in the car
with his new friend, Leo Davis,
451
00:21:39,508 --> 00:21:41,973
and another guy
and the prostitute,
452
00:21:42,008 --> 00:21:44,643
and they all head
down the road for Mexico.
453
00:21:44,678 --> 00:21:47,278
Well, about a mile from
your clients' property,
454
00:21:47,313 --> 00:21:50,595
they pull off
the side of the road.
455
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:53,878
So Davis slugs Mr. Soape
in the head,
456
00:21:53,888 --> 00:21:55,083
and then
they both grabbed him,
457
00:21:55,118 --> 00:21:56,888
pulled him out of the car,
killed him,
458
00:21:56,923 --> 00:21:59,153
and take his watch
and $600.
459
00:21:59,188 --> 00:22:02,488
And I have his certificate
of death right here.
460
00:22:02,498 --> 00:22:05,658
Cause of death was
listed as a broken neck.
461
00:22:05,668 --> 00:22:06,958
So did this guy Davis
462
00:22:06,968 --> 00:22:08,528
or anybody else
get arrested for this?
463
00:22:08,563 --> 00:22:09,828
Yes. They did.
464
00:22:09,838 --> 00:22:11,638
A couple months later,
the prostitute gave up both men.
465
00:22:11,673 --> 00:22:14,273
Here's the article.
466
00:22:14,308 --> 00:22:15,858
They were convicted,
and both of them
467
00:22:15,893 --> 00:22:17,408
were sentenced
to life in prison.
468
00:22:20,948 --> 00:22:24,718
When I walked out here,
I was seeing, like,
469
00:22:24,753 --> 00:22:25,983
a guy,
470
00:22:26,018 --> 00:22:28,253
and I was seeing, like,
471
00:22:28,288 --> 00:22:30,583
him feeling
like he was burning.
472
00:22:30,618 --> 00:22:35,058
Like, it literally felt
like fire, like, on the inside.
473
00:22:35,093 --> 00:22:37,323
All of a sudden,
he's like, "...!"
474
00:22:37,358 --> 00:22:40,558
Like, somebody's, like,
kicking him in the shins,
475
00:22:40,568 --> 00:22:43,468
and then he's feeling hit
in the back here.
476
00:22:43,503 --> 00:22:45,063
You know what I mean?
477
00:22:45,098 --> 00:22:47,468
And then he's on the ground.
478
00:22:47,503 --> 00:22:49,008
Very scary.
479
00:23:14,988 --> 00:23:16,653
Look, it's Arizona,
so obviously,
480
00:23:16,688 --> 00:23:19,173
there's gonna be a lot
of Native American history.
481
00:23:19,208 --> 00:23:21,623
But I just got off the phone
with local historian
482
00:23:21,658 --> 00:23:24,998
who says a tribe that lived
where Don and Karen's house sits
483
00:23:25,033 --> 00:23:28,163
was involved
in a horrific massacre.
484
00:23:28,198 --> 00:23:31,198
I'm driving over now to
find out exactly what happened.
485
00:23:37,838 --> 00:23:39,508
So, Bridgette, before we get
to the massacre
486
00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:40,943
you told me about
on the phone,
487
00:23:40,978 --> 00:23:42,408
what can you tell me
about the tribe that lived
488
00:23:42,418 --> 00:23:43,713
on my clients' property?
489
00:23:43,748 --> 00:23:45,383
The tribe was called
the Tohono O'odham,
490
00:23:45,418 --> 00:23:47,918
and they've been in this area
for hundreds of years.
491
00:23:47,953 --> 00:23:49,948
Here's a picture
that we have of them.
492
00:23:49,958 --> 00:23:51,483
And they actually are
still around.
493
00:23:51,518 --> 00:23:54,588
They have a large reservation
just west of here.
494
00:23:54,623 --> 00:23:57,028
So this big massacre,
who was involved?
495
00:23:57,063 --> 00:23:58,323
The massacre was between
496
00:23:58,358 --> 00:24:00,358
the Tohono O'odham
and the Apache.
497
00:24:00,368 --> 00:24:01,933
Okay. So now
what was the beef?
498
00:24:01,968 --> 00:24:05,968
Well, the Apache would come to
the Tohono O'odham settlements,
499
00:24:06,003 --> 00:24:08,103
and they would raid
and they would steal,
500
00:24:08,138 --> 00:24:10,768
and they would often kill a lot
of the Tohono O'odham people.
501
00:24:10,778 --> 00:24:11,973
Now did any of these attacks
502
00:24:12,008 --> 00:24:14,073
by the Apache happen
on my clients' property?
503
00:24:14,108 --> 00:24:16,348
We don't have any record
of them actually happening
504
00:24:16,383 --> 00:24:17,883
on your clients' property,
505
00:24:17,918 --> 00:24:19,478
but we're sure
they happened nearby.
506
00:24:19,488 --> 00:24:21,648
So, Bridgette, tell me
about the massacre.
507
00:24:21,683 --> 00:24:24,218
It started in
the spring of 1871.
508
00:24:24,253 --> 00:24:25,383
The Apaches surrendered
509
00:24:25,418 --> 00:24:27,923
to the American government
at Camp Grant,
510
00:24:27,958 --> 00:24:30,393
and these are some pictures
of Camp Grant.
511
00:24:30,428 --> 00:24:34,098
It's about 60 miles north
from your clients' property.
512
00:24:34,133 --> 00:24:36,068
Okay, so it's north up here.
513
00:24:36,103 --> 00:24:37,428
Okay. So what happened?
514
00:24:37,438 --> 00:24:40,098
The Tohono O'odham saw
an opportunity to attack,
515
00:24:40,108 --> 00:24:41,908
so they traveled 2 days.
- Okay.
516
00:24:41,943 --> 00:24:43,673
And they go up to
Camp Grant.
517
00:24:43,708 --> 00:24:48,308
On April 30, 1871, at dawn,
they attacked.
518
00:24:48,343 --> 00:24:49,843
144 people died,
519
00:24:49,878 --> 00:24:52,513
and 136 of those
were women and children.
520
00:24:52,548 --> 00:24:54,848
All right. So all these people
dead. Did anybody survive?
521
00:24:54,883 --> 00:24:56,053
They take any prisoners?
522
00:24:56,088 --> 00:24:58,188
There were 30 children
that did survive,
523
00:24:58,223 --> 00:24:59,753
and they were sold
into slavery,
524
00:24:59,788 --> 00:25:02,228
and they were marched down
into Sonora, Mexico.
525
00:25:02,263 --> 00:25:04,088
There's a road
that actually went
526
00:25:04,098 --> 00:25:05,863
right by
your clients' property.
527
00:25:05,898 --> 00:25:09,233
And a couple of them did
manage to escape.
528
00:25:09,268 --> 00:25:12,938
This is one that we know
for sure made it back,
529
00:25:12,973 --> 00:25:15,108
and as far as we know,
the rest of them
530
00:25:15,143 --> 00:25:16,873
died in slavery
down in Mexico.
531
00:25:16,908 --> 00:25:20,238
All right. So did anybody pay
for this massacre at all?
532
00:25:20,248 --> 00:25:24,048
The territory governor
arrested over 100 people,
533
00:25:24,083 --> 00:25:26,648
and when the verdict
went to the jury,
534
00:25:26,683 --> 00:25:27,783
they were all acquitted.
535
00:25:27,818 --> 00:25:30,748
Nobody got convicted
of anything? No.
536
00:25:30,758 --> 00:25:32,458
The people of Pima County were
very supportive of the massacre,
537
00:25:32,493 --> 00:25:36,088
so the Apache
never saw justice.
538
00:25:44,268 --> 00:25:47,398
The Native Americans
cursed this land.
539
00:25:47,408 --> 00:25:52,308
That stems from way, way, way,
way, way, way, way, way back,
540
00:25:52,343 --> 00:25:55,078
from the murder and mayhem
that was committed.
541
00:25:56,918 --> 00:25:59,778
This was specific to this area.
542
00:25:59,788 --> 00:26:02,618
They were tying Native Americans
543
00:26:02,653 --> 00:26:04,618
that they had captured.
544
00:26:07,528 --> 00:26:11,163
These Native Americans
were slaves.
545
00:26:11,198 --> 00:26:14,398
I don't know exactly
what they were forced to do,
546
00:26:14,433 --> 00:26:17,533
but I just saw
the word "slaves."
547
00:26:17,568 --> 00:26:19,168
Is the priest
trapping them in the church
548
00:26:19,203 --> 00:26:22,008
with the other dead people?
549
00:26:22,043 --> 00:26:23,303
I think so. Yeah.
550
00:26:23,338 --> 00:26:26,338
Some of them were
pretty much skeletons
551
00:26:26,348 --> 00:26:28,408
with just, like, little bits
of flesh hanging off.
552
00:26:30,818 --> 00:26:36,288
So I'm estimating that there
were about 80 of these people.
553
00:26:36,323 --> 00:26:38,383
The ones who were
almost skeletons, I think,
554
00:26:38,418 --> 00:26:42,488
died at the same time,
so they're in a lot of pain.
555
00:26:49,598 --> 00:26:53,568
During my walk, I saw a whole
bunch of disturbing things,
556
00:26:53,603 --> 00:26:55,273
but two stood out.
557
00:26:55,308 --> 00:26:57,468
First,
the group of shadow figures
558
00:26:57,478 --> 00:26:59,043
marching through the house.
559
00:26:59,078 --> 00:27:03,348
What I saw in this hallway was,
in single file,
560
00:27:03,383 --> 00:27:06,548
shadow people,
and different heights.
561
00:27:09,988 --> 00:27:12,258
Next, I described
the priest-demon
562
00:27:12,293 --> 00:27:14,453
tormenting the living.
563
00:27:14,488 --> 00:27:18,328
You can see that he was
looking like a human
564
00:27:18,363 --> 00:27:22,165
and it stands by the bed
565
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,933
and it becomes a thin mist
566
00:27:25,968 --> 00:27:29,708
and it covers the person
and then it meshes into them.
567
00:27:33,578 --> 00:27:36,348
Amy, is this what you saw?
568
00:27:36,383 --> 00:27:38,348
Yes.
569
00:27:57,238 --> 00:28:00,098
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
570
00:28:00,108 --> 00:28:02,538
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
571
00:28:02,573 --> 00:28:05,143
and our clients
for the first time.
572
00:28:05,178 --> 00:28:08,013
Well, Amy, I want you to meet
Karen and Don.
573
00:28:08,048 --> 00:28:10,843
They bought this house
about a year and a half ago,
574
00:28:10,878 --> 00:28:13,878
and they were hoping to make it
a dream retirement home.
575
00:28:13,888 --> 00:28:16,148
Obviously, that hasn't
worked out that way.
576
00:28:16,158 --> 00:28:19,718
But the main reason we're here
is Karen's daughter, Valerie.
577
00:28:19,728 --> 00:28:23,488
Now she's in a tough spot
and is supposed to move in here
578
00:28:23,498 --> 00:28:25,428
with her two daughters.
Next month?
579
00:28:25,463 --> 00:28:26,858
- Yeah.
- Okay.
580
00:28:26,868 --> 00:28:28,928
The problem is, these guys
don't think it's safe,
581
00:28:28,963 --> 00:28:32,938
so I'll ask Amy to describe
her walk for us.
582
00:28:35,208 --> 00:28:38,808
When I first arrived,
and I saw murder and mayhem
583
00:28:38,843 --> 00:28:41,543
that happened here
a long, long time ago.
584
00:28:41,578 --> 00:28:45,178
It involved Native Americans
who had ties to the land.
585
00:28:45,213 --> 00:28:48,613
They were being utilized
as slaves.
586
00:28:48,648 --> 00:28:52,618
The other thing is that there
was a curse placed on this land
587
00:28:52,628 --> 00:28:54,853
a very long time ago.
588
00:28:54,888 --> 00:28:57,358
I got something with slaves
when I did the research.
589
00:28:57,393 --> 00:28:59,660
It was an Indian tribe
called the Tohono O'odham...
590
00:28:59,695 --> 00:29:01,928
Okay.
...who lived in and around your property
591
00:29:01,963 --> 00:29:03,863
for hundreds of years.
592
00:29:03,898 --> 00:29:06,138
Now I actually have a photo
of what they had looked like
593
00:29:06,173 --> 00:29:08,308
back in the 1850s.
594
00:29:10,478 --> 00:29:13,678
But there was bad blood
between them and the Apaches.
595
00:29:13,713 --> 00:29:16,108
They took abuse
from the Apaches for years.
596
00:29:16,118 --> 00:29:19,518
Now in 1871, the Tohono O'odham
got their revenge.
597
00:29:19,553 --> 00:29:20,583
The Apaches surrendered
598
00:29:20,618 --> 00:29:22,503
to the U.S. government
at Camp Grant,
599
00:29:22,538 --> 00:29:24,388
which is about 60 miles north
of here.
600
00:29:24,423 --> 00:29:27,818
Here's a picture of Camp Grant.
601
00:29:27,828 --> 00:29:32,423
On April 28, 1871,
the local tribe headed north
602
00:29:32,458 --> 00:29:35,468
and surrounded the camp,
and it turned into a bloodbath.
603
00:29:35,503 --> 00:29:39,938
By the end of it,
144 people were killed.
604
00:29:39,973 --> 00:29:42,838
136 of them
were women and children.
605
00:29:42,873 --> 00:29:45,143
Wow.
606
00:29:45,178 --> 00:29:48,713
Now about 30 of these Apache
kids survived the massacre,
607
00:29:48,748 --> 00:29:52,248
but they marched them
down past here into Mexico...
608
00:29:52,283 --> 00:29:54,578
...to sell them off
into slavery.
609
00:29:54,588 --> 00:29:57,788
And I actually have a picture
of one of the Native Americans
610
00:29:57,823 --> 00:29:59,888
that we know escaped.
611
00:30:03,758 --> 00:30:05,198
My god. I've seen her.
612
00:30:06,528 --> 00:30:08,893
I've seen her.
613
00:30:08,928 --> 00:30:11,313
When I close my eyes
at night, I-I see...
614
00:30:11,348 --> 00:30:13,698
- Here, sweetie. Take that.
- ...I see people.
615
00:30:18,308 --> 00:30:21,813
I just hope
she's okay somewhere.
616
00:30:21,848 --> 00:30:25,778
I'll just put this picture here.
It seems to be upsetting you.
617
00:30:25,813 --> 00:30:27,148
You think this could have
something to do
618
00:30:27,183 --> 00:30:30,153
with the curse on the land?
Yes.
619
00:30:30,188 --> 00:30:34,858
Essentially, the curse
is that anyone who's white
620
00:30:34,893 --> 00:30:38,598
will not live
a peaceful life here.
621
00:30:41,668 --> 00:30:43,863
So what else happened
on the walk?
622
00:30:43,898 --> 00:30:46,738
So I came inside,
and I was pulled immediately
623
00:30:46,773 --> 00:30:48,873
to the downstairs hallway.
624
00:30:48,908 --> 00:30:52,178
And I was then
in a male's body,
625
00:30:52,213 --> 00:30:55,973
and he was in a lot of pain,
626
00:30:56,008 --> 00:30:59,518
and I started to hear
all of these noises around him.
627
00:30:59,553 --> 00:31:01,283
So we're outside,
628
00:31:01,318 --> 00:31:05,283
and I felt like I was being
stabbed in my side.
629
00:31:05,318 --> 00:31:09,758
And I, of course, felt very ill,
and I didn't really understand
630
00:31:09,793 --> 00:31:11,723
what the hell was happening,
631
00:31:11,758 --> 00:31:13,863
and then I heard
the word "knife."
632
00:31:13,898 --> 00:31:15,598
So, Amy, that's not much
to go on,
633
00:31:15,633 --> 00:31:17,700
but it does sound
like a homicide
634
00:31:17,735 --> 00:31:19,733
I did come across
in my research.
635
00:31:19,768 --> 00:31:22,133
Now the victim's name
was Pancho Mendozo.
636
00:31:22,168 --> 00:31:24,468
We didn't know much about this
guy other than he was homeless,
637
00:31:24,478 --> 00:31:26,908
and he was about 55 to 60.
638
00:31:26,943 --> 00:31:28,843
On October 13, 1893,
639
00:31:28,878 --> 00:31:31,618
Mendozo was traveling
from Tucson to Mexico,
640
00:31:31,653 --> 00:31:33,678
passing right through
your property.
641
00:31:33,688 --> 00:31:37,018
So he was tired and decided to
take a little nap nearby a tree.
642
00:31:37,053 --> 00:31:39,788
It turns out he was
being followed.
643
00:31:39,823 --> 00:31:41,593
While Mendozo was sleeping,
644
00:31:41,628 --> 00:31:43,893
someone came up to him
and attacked him.
645
00:31:43,928 --> 00:31:47,358
He was stabbed twice, once in
the throat and in the torso.
646
00:31:48,628 --> 00:31:50,468
And he basically bled out
and died on the scene.
647
00:31:50,503 --> 00:31:52,468
To this day, the case
is still unsolved.
648
00:31:52,503 --> 00:31:53,833
Wow.
649
00:31:53,868 --> 00:31:55,968
This is the real kicker
of the whole thing --
650
00:31:56,003 --> 00:31:58,173
Mendozo had no family or money,
651
00:31:58,208 --> 00:32:00,108
and he was buried
right under the tree
652
00:32:00,143 --> 00:32:02,008
where they found him.
Interesting.
653
00:32:04,978 --> 00:32:07,778
So what else happened
on the walk?
654
00:32:07,788 --> 00:32:11,858
When I was outside,
I saw a lot of dead people
655
00:32:11,893 --> 00:32:14,218
walking in single file,
656
00:32:14,228 --> 00:32:17,888
and they're on
a specific pathway,
657
00:32:17,898 --> 00:32:20,558
and it goes right through
your house.
658
00:32:20,568 --> 00:32:23,028
Here I'm seeing four,
and here I'm seeing eight.
659
00:32:23,038 --> 00:32:26,998
At the same time, living people
would see them as shadow people.
660
00:32:27,008 --> 00:32:29,773
But they're not.
They're just dead people.
661
00:32:29,808 --> 00:32:32,058
- I refer to it as a parade...
- Yeah. Okay.
662
00:32:32,093 --> 00:32:34,308
...going through the house
this way.-
663
00:32:34,343 --> 00:32:37,878
And I'll see, like,
two, four, six.
664
00:32:37,913 --> 00:32:39,083
Crazy.
665
00:32:39,118 --> 00:32:40,853
It's like it's a constant,
daily...
666
00:32:40,888 --> 00:32:42,588
- Now you see them too, Don.
- Yeah.
667
00:32:42,623 --> 00:32:43,783
Interesting. Okay.
668
00:32:43,818 --> 00:32:46,418
When I spoke to Valerie
on a video conference,
669
00:32:46,428 --> 00:32:47,588
she described the same thing.
670
00:32:48,928 --> 00:32:52,558
I did have a sketch done
of what I was kind of seeing.
671
00:32:58,568 --> 00:33:00,538
Take a look at that.
672
00:33:00,573 --> 00:33:02,538
My god.
673
00:33:04,208 --> 00:33:05,708
And that's how it looks
to you, Karen?
674
00:33:05,743 --> 00:33:06,973
Yeah. Yeah.
675
00:33:07,008 --> 00:33:10,108
It's like wave after
wave after wave.
676
00:33:10,118 --> 00:33:12,078
Now you know you're not nuts.
677
00:33:12,113 --> 00:33:13,578
Thank you.
678
00:33:17,018 --> 00:33:19,018
All right,
so interesting walk so far.
679
00:33:19,053 --> 00:33:20,223
What else?
680
00:33:20,258 --> 00:33:24,123
So then I ran into
681
00:33:24,158 --> 00:33:26,663
an entity here that, to me,
682
00:33:26,698 --> 00:33:28,793
represents
the biggest problem.
683
00:33:28,828 --> 00:33:33,198
He's dressed like
a Catholic priest,
684
00:33:33,208 --> 00:33:36,473
but he's not really
a priest at all,
685
00:33:36,508 --> 00:33:39,458
but I couldn't figure out
if he was a demon
686
00:33:39,493 --> 00:33:42,408
or if, in fact,
he had once been human.
687
00:33:42,443 --> 00:33:43,478
So what was he?
688
00:33:43,513 --> 00:33:45,543
A dead person.
689
00:33:45,578 --> 00:33:49,488
And he started, like,
swearing and cursing at me,
690
00:33:49,523 --> 00:33:52,205
being very threatening
and saying
691
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,888
that he was going
to kill all of us.
692
00:33:56,528 --> 00:33:59,298
When I met him,
he's in a church,
693
00:33:59,333 --> 00:34:03,328
and in his church,
694
00:34:03,338 --> 00:34:07,303
he has a lot of dead people.
695
00:34:07,338 --> 00:34:11,843
So his thing is he is
collecting all of these people
696
00:34:11,878 --> 00:34:16,348
and brings them into this church
that he's created,
697
00:34:16,383 --> 00:34:19,115
and he's trapping them there.
698
00:34:19,150 --> 00:34:21,813
So does this priest thing...
699
00:34:21,848 --> 00:34:24,253
Would it interact
with these guys?
700
00:34:24,288 --> 00:34:26,658
I think that it does have
the ability
701
00:34:26,693 --> 00:34:28,660
to go after you physically.
702
00:34:28,695 --> 00:34:30,593
I had an experience
last night
703
00:34:30,628 --> 00:34:33,428
where he was messing
with my throat,
704
00:34:33,463 --> 00:34:36,600
so I got these four lines,
705
00:34:36,635 --> 00:34:39,066
and it was burning
like a...
706
00:34:39,101 --> 00:34:41,498
- Yeah.
- That's you.
707
00:34:41,508 --> 00:34:43,458
That's me.
708
00:34:43,493 --> 00:34:45,373
I came home from work,
709
00:34:45,408 --> 00:34:49,108
and within just a couple minutes
of walking in the door,
710
00:34:49,143 --> 00:34:52,278
my leg starting burning
like a chemical burn.
711
00:34:52,313 --> 00:34:54,013
I looked down,
712
00:34:54,048 --> 00:34:58,318
and I had three scratches
right up the calf.
713
00:34:58,353 --> 00:35:00,418
He likes to go after
the weak and sick
714
00:35:00,428 --> 00:35:02,393
din this house specifically.
715
00:35:02,428 --> 00:35:03,978
That's easy prey for him.
716
00:35:04,013 --> 00:35:05,493
I did feel that there was
717
00:35:05,528 --> 00:35:07,798
a living individual
in this house
718
00:35:07,833 --> 00:35:10,033
that had become
a target for him
719
00:35:10,068 --> 00:35:14,053
and that this thing
is making this person sicker.
720
00:35:14,088 --> 00:35:18,038
I had a stroke 6 years ago,
and I've had, you know,
721
00:35:18,073 --> 00:35:19,738
ongoing blood-pressure issues.
722
00:35:21,508 --> 00:35:24,408
I got specific illness traits
of terrible headaches,
723
00:35:24,418 --> 00:35:27,213
nausea, and insomnia,
724
00:35:27,248 --> 00:35:30,748
and essentially, what he's doing
is torturing the person.
725
00:35:30,758 --> 00:35:33,458
I've been put on
a sleeping pill.
726
00:35:33,493 --> 00:35:34,453
Tell her about the headaches,
727
00:35:34,488 --> 00:35:35,788
the way you described them
to me.
728
00:35:35,823 --> 00:35:38,493
I get these intense...
729
00:35:38,528 --> 00:35:42,028
It's almost like a fire prod
730
00:35:42,063 --> 00:35:45,263
being put in your head.
731
00:35:45,298 --> 00:35:47,198
Now is he targeting
both of them?
732
00:35:49,238 --> 00:35:53,338
Well, I think that
it's mainly you,
733
00:35:53,348 --> 00:35:57,108
but it's not just
one person.
734
00:35:57,118 --> 00:35:58,348
The guy is into torture.
735
00:35:58,383 --> 00:35:59,483
- Yeah.
- You know?
736
00:35:59,518 --> 00:36:03,418
And the worst thing is that
he can jump people.
737
00:36:03,453 --> 00:36:07,318
He can make himself appear
like a black mist,
738
00:36:07,328 --> 00:36:10,493
and then he'll meld
into the person's body.
739
00:36:10,528 --> 00:36:14,163
This can cause mood swings,
and when he does that,
740
00:36:14,198 --> 00:36:17,798
he literally speaks through
the living in this house.
741
00:36:17,833 --> 00:36:21,298
And so I saw people
yelling out strange things.
742
00:36:21,308 --> 00:36:23,123
You know, you're
sitting at the table.
743
00:36:23,158 --> 00:36:24,938
You're eating, and then,
all of a sudden,
744
00:36:24,973 --> 00:36:26,203
somebody jumps up
and is like,
745
00:36:26,238 --> 00:36:29,378
"I'm gonna...kill everybody!"
just out of nowhere,
746
00:36:29,413 --> 00:36:32,518
and then has no recollection
that they did that.
747
00:36:32,553 --> 00:36:34,783
Yeah.
I was downstairs one day,
748
00:36:34,818 --> 00:36:38,088
and I heard Karen up here
crying uncontrollably,
749
00:36:38,123 --> 00:36:39,653
so I come running upstairs.
750
00:36:39,688 --> 00:36:42,258
She was sitting in the chair
and just said, "I was fine."
751
00:36:43,498 --> 00:36:46,158
And then, about a week
or two later, she goes,
752
00:36:46,193 --> 00:36:47,858
"I heard you
downstairs yelling and..."
753
00:36:47,868 --> 00:36:49,368
- Throwing a full tantrum.
- I said, "No."
754
00:36:49,403 --> 00:36:52,103
- Wow.
- I was fine.
755
00:36:52,138 --> 00:36:54,538
And you've got the mood swings
you were talking.
756
00:36:54,573 --> 00:36:57,005
Yeah. All of a sudden,
I'll get extremely frustrated
757
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,709
to the point where, you know,
I almost start to vibrate,
758
00:36:59,744 --> 00:37:02,378
but then I just get pissed off
and I don't know why.
759
00:37:02,413 --> 00:37:05,378
His whole
speech mannerism changes.
760
00:37:06,518 --> 00:37:08,818
And it's like,
"Don, knock it off." Yeah.
761
00:37:10,358 --> 00:37:13,023
Yeah. You okay? Yeah.
762
00:37:13,058 --> 00:37:14,718
It's tough to hear.
I know.
763
00:37:14,728 --> 00:37:16,488
- Yeah.
- You okay?
764
00:37:16,498 --> 00:37:18,723
It's okay.
765
00:37:18,758 --> 00:37:21,558
That's why
we're doing this.
766
00:37:21,568 --> 00:37:23,228
- Right?
- It's not you, Don.
767
00:37:23,238 --> 00:37:25,768
- Right.
- It's okay, man.
768
00:37:25,803 --> 00:37:28,298
It's okay.
We can get this fixed.
769
00:37:28,308 --> 00:37:31,973
You can be happy.
770
00:37:32,008 --> 00:37:35,408
Now this thing do anything else
besides torture these people?
771
00:37:35,443 --> 00:37:37,678
- Um...
- It's doing a good job of that.
772
00:37:37,713 --> 00:37:39,383
I was in the downstairs
basement,
773
00:37:39,418 --> 00:37:42,248
and I saw him standing
at the end of the bed.
774
00:37:42,283 --> 00:37:43,383
God.
775
00:37:43,418 --> 00:37:45,283
And then he became
that mist again,
776
00:37:45,318 --> 00:37:49,588
and he will sink
into the person's body.
777
00:37:49,623 --> 00:37:51,393
Obviously, this affects
778
00:37:51,428 --> 00:37:53,758
the living person's
body horribly.
779
00:37:56,368 --> 00:37:58,368
Gosh.
780
00:37:58,403 --> 00:38:00,533
Um...
781
00:38:00,568 --> 00:38:04,508
I had just gone to bed,
and I felt something
782
00:38:04,543 --> 00:38:06,938
from the foot of the bed,
783
00:38:06,948 --> 00:38:12,078
hand, knee, crawl
right over my body.
784
00:38:12,113 --> 00:38:13,413
You also had another experience
785
00:38:13,448 --> 00:38:14,748
where it felt like somebody
sat on the bed.
786
00:38:14,783 --> 00:38:16,113
Yes.
787
00:38:16,148 --> 00:38:20,488
I'll be laying in bed,
and you can feel somebody sit.
788
00:38:20,523 --> 00:38:22,853
The blankets tighten,
789
00:38:22,888 --> 00:38:27,558
and from my knees
to my feet got ice cold.
790
00:38:27,568 --> 00:38:31,568
I did have a sketch done
of that situation that I saw.
791
00:38:36,425 --> 00:38:41,143
Jeez.
792
00:38:41,178 --> 00:38:43,378
You guys have been through
a lot tonight. All right.
793
00:38:49,018 --> 00:38:51,848
My god.
794
00:38:55,428 --> 00:38:57,628
Valerie's bringing
her small kids here.
795
00:38:57,663 --> 00:38:59,423
Would they be in danger, too?
796
00:38:59,458 --> 00:39:02,798
Yes. Absolutely,
the children, yeah.
797
00:39:03,968 --> 00:39:06,398
That scares the hell
out of me.
798
00:39:11,978 --> 00:39:15,208
What the hell does this priest
thing want from these guys?
799
00:39:15,243 --> 00:39:17,608
His goal is to kill you guys,
800
00:39:17,618 --> 00:39:20,318
and it's definitely got you
in mind for his church.
801
00:39:36,528 --> 00:39:38,268
Well, Karen, you called us in
because you were worried
802
00:39:38,303 --> 00:39:40,503
about Valerie moving in
with the grandkids.
803
00:39:40,538 --> 00:39:45,278
Turns out bringing us in may
have saved you and Don's life.
804
00:39:45,313 --> 00:39:46,738
Now we're gonna answer
the big question.
805
00:39:46,748 --> 00:39:49,248
Can you kick this
priest-demon thing out,
806
00:39:49,283 --> 00:39:50,543
and what's it going to take?
807
00:39:50,578 --> 00:39:52,218
For that answer, I'm going
to turn it over to Amy.
808
00:39:55,888 --> 00:39:57,353
There are things you can do,
809
00:39:57,388 --> 00:40:00,423
but the thing you do need
to be aware of
810
00:40:00,458 --> 00:40:04,778
is that you will deal
with issues on a daily basis
811
00:40:04,813 --> 00:40:09,098
because of the area
and the curse that's here.
812
00:40:09,133 --> 00:40:11,328
So basically,
you'll never have peace
813
00:40:11,338 --> 00:40:14,838
like you've known prior
to moving to this place.
814
00:40:14,873 --> 00:40:17,755
So the first thing is
to bring a medium in
815
00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:20,638
and simply have them
help the stabbing victim
816
00:40:20,648 --> 00:40:23,508
and the group
of dead people move on.
817
00:40:23,518 --> 00:40:25,283
What I would like for you to do
818
00:40:25,318 --> 00:40:28,883
in dealing with
this priest dead guy
819
00:40:28,918 --> 00:40:32,173
is a true Catholic priest
needs to come in
820
00:40:32,208 --> 00:40:35,393
and do a blessing
at the property line.
821
00:40:35,428 --> 00:40:39,258
Then, using rosaries that have
been blessed by the same priest,
822
00:40:39,293 --> 00:40:40,893
so five rosaries,
823
00:40:40,928 --> 00:40:42,793
bury them at approximately
824
00:40:42,828 --> 00:40:45,498
the four corners
of your property
825
00:40:45,533 --> 00:40:47,398
and then place the fifth one
826
00:40:47,408 --> 00:40:49,673
in the approximate center
of the house.
827
00:40:49,708 --> 00:40:51,808
Now once they do all this,
will this priest-demon
828
00:40:51,843 --> 00:40:53,078
get the hell out of here?
829
00:40:53,113 --> 00:40:55,073
Correct.
830
00:40:55,108 --> 00:40:56,473
It won't be easy.
831
00:40:56,508 --> 00:40:58,863
But we need to do it,
and we're going to do it.
832
00:40:58,898 --> 00:41:01,183
You're worth it.
The grandkids are worth it.
833
00:41:01,218 --> 00:41:04,418
So now if they do everything
you told them they need to do,
834
00:41:04,453 --> 00:41:06,658
is Don going to feel better?
835
00:41:06,693 --> 00:41:08,375
I think you will.
836
00:41:08,410 --> 00:41:10,023
What about Karen?
837
00:41:10,058 --> 00:41:12,158
She'll be able to go to sleep,
no more of those big headaches?
838
00:41:12,193 --> 00:41:13,963
That'll be done.
839
00:41:13,998 --> 00:41:16,533
Maybe we can actually unpack,
840
00:41:16,568 --> 00:41:20,238
and you don't turn into
evil grandpa.
841
00:41:20,273 --> 00:41:21,733
Well, that's good.
842
00:41:21,768 --> 00:41:23,338
I'm glad to see smiles on your
faces at the end of all this.
843
00:41:23,373 --> 00:41:24,573
We can do it.
844
00:41:24,608 --> 00:41:25,808
We've been through a lot
of other worse stuff.
845
00:41:25,843 --> 00:41:27,578
There's a light at the end
of the tunnel.
846
00:41:30,008 --> 00:41:32,748
Karen and Don have a lot
of work ahead of them,
847
00:41:32,783 --> 00:41:35,488
but if they contact a medium
to remove the shadow people
848
00:41:35,523 --> 00:41:37,883
and the murder victim,
and a priest
849
00:41:37,918 --> 00:41:40,953
to set up a boundary
banishing the priest-demon,
850
00:41:40,988 --> 00:41:45,128
they can free themselves of evil
and lead a peaceful life.
851
00:41:45,178 --> 00:41:49,728
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